> “Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people.”

lol .. where do you get this nonsense? .. you havn’t been soaking up US Empire Fact-Checked establishment media, have you?

Agreed–1972: Taiwan is part of Mainland China —Richard Nixon ( there is 1 China but which 1? –Henry Kissinger but later Jimmy Carter clarifies this matter –the Mainland and Taiwan is part of China.

Agreed – 1991: You have our assurance that NATO will NOT expand one inch Eastward –G W Bush .

To Be Agreed March 2023: Canada will send its 2,000 Latvian troops and 4 Leopard tanks and take on Wagner.

I once knew a mild-mannered English Literature professor who’d take on the toughest guy in the bar after he’d had a few drinks, and he always got his ass kicked.

My government has turned into that guy.

Indeed, this is just the author’s token gesture to forestall any accusations that he’s a “Communist Sympathizer”. At least I hope so – the article is well written enough to believe the author isn’t some slavering mouth-breather.

Sounds about Right.

Why does the author demonize the rulers of China with Uncle Sam’s cliches

Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified,

and identify

What Happens Next?

Will we [etc – just count the we’s, us’s, and our’s]

with the warmongering, corrupt Establishment?

Pat Buchanan used these propagandistic tricks to protect the Beltway of which he was a part from meaningful dissidence. Both obscure the fact that, with perhaps a handful of exceptions, the Washington politicians could scarcely care less about the people of this country. We – the real we – are their tax aphids, cannon fodder, and sheep herded with Red+Blue politics around the same pen.

Indeed, this is just the author’s token gesture to forestall any accusations that he’s a “Communist Sympathizer”.

I doubt it, anyone who uses CCP instead of the correct nomenclature CPC is not an unbiased observer.

So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified, but at the end of the day… we (the US) can’t save Taiwan:

Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people.

Who are the slaves laboring?

Social Credit ranges from from minor ‘violations’ (walking against traffic, mostly ignored BTW) to those who commit serious crimes. For instance, if a Chinese citzen causes a problem on an airplane or train, they could be barred from buying another ticket.

Surveillance? That is a hard one for many Westerners brought up on the idea of ‘freedom’ and privacy, but for Asians who are brought up on the idea of community, discipline and order, not so much. BTW, does your workplace have security cameras? LOL

The idea that there is no ‘dissonance’ or group protests in Chinese society is one of the more ridiculous things I’ve read in a while. Not sure where that came from.

In any case, all the issues you cite as being ‘objectively evil’ are present in Western societies–the names are simply changed to something else. That, plus it is often not the government doing the ‘evil’, but corporate entities.

Finally, it is irrelevant what ‘we’ (who are ‘we’, anyway?) wish to be ‘imposed’ on other people. That is not our call, and your language underscores the general hubris of a Western, ‘my way or the highway’, mode of thinking.

The Chinese government may be entitled to determine the standards of use of Mandarin and the minority languages domestically, it is affirmatively not entitled to determine the use of the English language in my country.

Those who would grand even linguistic hegemony to this rival deserve nothing less than deportation on a slow boat to China.

Why the f are the sinister players of Washington assuming that Taiwan is their. Absolute lack of and ignorance of historical perspective like usual – illiterate morons. This country should not suffer from the stupidity and low intelligence of the Washington players. The plebs keep electing monkeys that are destroying once a great country. I do not see any winning in Taiwan possible, China has bottomless supply of ground soldiers and the ground army wins not the indiscriminate bombing.

You open with:

Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China.

But fail to add: “and so does the United States government.”

I’m open to the idea that China doesn’t has Uighur camps, social credit system, and an insane surveillance state – but I find that very hard to believe so I’d need to see evidence.

You believe American propaganda without evidence, and insist that someone produce evidence that it’s not true? One can’t disprove a negative. If I accuse you of having built a nuclear bomb, can you disprove that? No you can’t, so you must have one!

Perhaps you meant to write “has”, not “doesn’t has”

But overall I agree. Imposing sanctions on China sanctions American consumers. The Taiwanese need to wise up and look at what happened to Ukraine after if agreed to talk tough to a nearby world power. Better Red than Dead.

The Chinese people and the American people share a common enemy–ZOG. And the goal of ZOG is always ALWAYS let’s you and him fight. It’s why the COVID virus was introduced in Wuhan–to bring China and the US closer to war. And just like in Ukraine, massive gentile deaths is the icing on the cake. Jewish war profiteering is the cake itself.

Agreed Carlton,

The author embraces all the false media narratives that are manufactured to turn public opinion against China and to make sure the public supports anti-China aggression, but then wants to oppose aggression against China. It’s silly.

The author doesn’t know the first thing about all these easily debunked anti-China tropes. I’d be happy to share some resources with him if he is interested.

I’m open to the idea that China doesn’t has Uighur camps, social credit system, and an insane surveillance state – but I find that very hard to believe so I’d need to see evidence

haven’t you just inverted the very well known standard of the burden of proof ? The party that advances the thesis must prove the thesis, not the reverse.
In the case of the alleged Uighur camps, nobody is under any obligation to prove to you they don’t exist, rather if someone believes in their existence they are obligated to show that they do exist.
Have you read the reports by Adrian Zenz and the Jonestown foundation that form the basis of the Uighur camps claims ? What did you think of them ?
Personally I found them to be totally spurious, with arguments and evidence ranging from the ridiculous to the utterly bizarre. Illogical motivated reasoning based on secret evidence gathered by unknown entities using undisclosed methods, translated and verified by anonymous people, which would get any lawyer laughed out of court, any decent court at least.
As for surveillance and social credit scores, it’s clear that all societies past and present have used some sort of surveillance and have systems of rewards and punishments, formal or informal to promote the good and discourage the bad.
You have to decide what are the correct standards for this behavior and if China meets them. Then you should determine who gets to decide the standards for China. You, America, or the Chinese ?
Personally I think Beijing should decide how China is run. If they get it right they will enjoy the benefits and if they get it wrong they will suffer the consequences, not Washington.

China has 300,000 people with an IQ of 160 and above. (The U.S. 10,000; professors, etc.). China has to find something for all those super-smart people to do: after all, how many engineering professors do they need? There is such an abundance of such superduper-smart people that it stands to reason they are not only monitoring US mainstream media; they also monitor US republican/conservative opinion.

So, Hello super-smart Chinese Intel lady. I have already posted all of my thoughts about US attitudes toward China, so I will not post these again. If you thought these merited inclusion in your reports to your superiors, you would have already done so. Oh, there is one recent thing… the US Coast Guard has just recently announced that in 2023, it is tripling its deployments to the western Pacific. Yes, my thought exactly – – man you are quick – – what the heck is the “US Coast…” doing in the western Pacific? Oh well, gotta go, have a nice rest of your day!

The average American is too stupid to understand that the US cannot survive without Chinese goods and Chinese loans. A healthy country in the position of the US could gradually wean itself off from its dependence on foreign imports, but the US is far from a healthy country. It no longer has a real education system but only (((indoctrination))), while women, faggots, and low-IQ diversomorphs get preference for any sort of desirable job, including the engineering jobs that would be vital for a rebuilding of American industry.

When the founders decided to be “enlightened” and give Jews citizenship—despite the fact no other country at the time was foolish or perverse enough to do so—they gave their young nation the equivalent of the HIV virus. Now the virus has developed into full-blown AIDS with its accompanying opportunistic infections (feminism, mass Third World migration, faggotry, etc.) The condition is, alas, fatal and it certainly cannot be cured by a war with China.

“Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people.” False. It is practised less in China than in the U.S. and Taiwan. In fact, Taiwan is an extreme dictatorship, just like Japan and the U.S. The U.S. has the largest slave labour in the world. One only need to research U.S. prison population (2.5% of U.S. population) and farm workers, including children.

“Zelensky (still not in NATO and frustrated) declared his intent to pursue nuclear arms. Putin invaded not a week later and cited this as his primary justification, ahead of Donbass shelling and NATO expansion (also valid concerns).” Inaccurate. The Russian Special Military Operation initiated to protect the people of Donbass from Ukrainian Neo-Nazis terror. It preemptive U.S.-sponsored Ukraine aggression.

Shrink government. Deregulate. Lower taxes. Abolish all these that we’ve created to police every industry under the Sun — FDA, FCC, FAA, USDA… Then, once we’ve grown more prosperous, and we are exporting more than dollars to China, maybe we will have the leverage to stand up for other countries.

Author is a Libertarian idiot. None of this stuff will make us more prosperous. It will just make us Latin America. That’s the Latin American model. Congratulations America! You’re now a banana republic.

Social Credit ranges from from minor ‘violations’ (walking against traffic, mostly ignored BTW) to those who commit serious crimes. For instance, if a Chinese citzen causes a problem on an airplane or train, they could be barred from buying another ticket.

A transparent system where everybody knows why a citizen is not allowed to buy an airline ticket vs secret no fly lists. And can be appealed.

WE USA/Europe/NATO are losing in Ucraine..a war that should never had happened..but war with IRAN then CHINA is truly suicidal..The NEOCONS are absolutely lunatics..IF the DEMs win in 2024 America will be wiped out..

The author provides a link to Kyiv Independent to back up the claim that Zelensky wanted to get nuclear weapons. But in the linked speach Zelensky doesn’t say anything about that; he only says that the Ukraine gave up its nuclear arsenal.

Social Credit System?

A rebuttal made by Brian Berletic at The New Atlas:

In Which place can you (nicely) argue with a cop and not get immediately tased or shot ?

Both obscure the fact that, with perhaps a handful of exceptions, the Washington politicians could scarcely care less about the people of this country. We – the real we – are their tax aphids, cannon fodder, and sheep herded with Red+Blue politics around the same pen.

That’s a difference from China. The Chinese government may be dictatorial but it does care about increasing the wellbeing of the average Chinese .

China lifts 800m people out of poverty over 40 years, accounting for 75% of global poverty reduction.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1257339.shtml#:~:text=China%20achieved%20victory%20in%20the,human%20history%2C%20reads%20the%20paper.

Security cameras are already everywhere in Taiwan. There isn’t really a Chinese word for “privacy” because such a thing would be unenforceable in one of the most urban societies on earth – quite unlike a new world settler society where a family homestead can serve as a self-sufficient miniature country.

” I do not see any winning in Taiwan possible ”

I think that outside of Washington DC the vast majority of Americans agree with your statement. But DC is a bubble town. The majority of Americans have come to the conclusion that Ukraine is losing the war with Russia, but that is not the prevailing sentiment in the DC bubble.

Common sense tells me that if 145 million population Russia can hold its own or better against NATO in NATO’s own backyard, China and its 1.4 Billion population might just have a bit of advantage over us in their backyard.

We were once the worlds policeman, and arguably did more good than harm in the early years post WW 2. But somewhere in time we morphed from policeman, to thugs, and now we are the worlds mafia.

I think you need to put that into the present perfect tense.

It started when they exported out manufacturing industries.

Same with the Arabs. Bomb them till they hate us and then invite them in.

https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/slt1d.txt

DC lawmakers get to masquerade as freedom-fighting patriots while enticing our country’s largest lender[1] and supplier of goods into a Cold War.

Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified, …

What happened to the America of ‘mind your own business’?

Why liberal morality and democracy has to be paraded around the world and shoven everyone else’s throat?

Why American commentator feel the urge to judge how other people conduct their own business?

Why is it for Americans to judge whether the Chinese have the correct type of govt?

Why the “bipartisan outrage” about how other people organize their societies?

Maybe you’re looking at it the wrong way. Innocent until proven guilty, so you should assume there are no Uighur camps etc., until you see evidence that there are.

but I find that very hard to believe so I’d need to see evidence.

You can wait till kingdom come, because China will not open for inspections.

Shrink government. Deregulate. Lower taxes. Abolish all these that we’ve created to police every industry under the Sun — FDA, FCC, FAA, USDA… Then, once we’ve grown more prosperous, and we are exporting more than dollars to China, maybe we will have the leverage to stand up for other countries.

It’s seems your need for evidence does not extend to Economics.

You believe American propaganda without evidence, and insist that someone produce evidence that it’s not true?

Sure. Just like the vast majority -whether Republicans/Democrats, liberals/conservatives, FOX/CNN watchers, PhD/GED, religious/secular – throughout the most thoroughly brainwashed, devoutly statist society in human history.

To the point that the rest are easily kept in line. Even the Liam Cosgroves

I’m author – yes the caveat is for fools who would read this that I’m siding with China in some way.

have to genuflect.

Who wants to be shunned? Or, if cursed with a conscience or loud enough anti-war voice, to become the next Debs, Rankin, Manning, or Assange?

Parochial dumkopf American writing.

Cosgrove needs to get out more.

Liam,

I live in Taiwan, and I’d like to know where your super-inflated figures on Taiwan’s per capita GDP come from. For your reference, Taiwan’s per capita GDP is in the low 30s, somewhere around US$33,000 per year. I train Google employees (Pixel phone software is primarily developed here) who assured me that their Mountain View colleagues earn 4-5 times as much as they do.

Even coders in China earn twice what Taiwanese coders do. As for the average laborer or high school graduate, they earn less than they did 25 years ago, perhaps because the government allows big businesses (workers/operators) and even families (elder care) to import cheap labor from Southeast Asia, to the tune of 600,000 to 700,000 foreign workers in an island with only 23 million people.

Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people.

US Americans and their vassals in the Rest of the West might consider preventing the rise of these in the West before wringing their hands about them in China, because the West has been following China’s lead in oppression of their own people for some time now.

“I once knew a mild-mannered English Literature professor who’d take on the toughest guy in the bar after he’d had a few drinks, and he always got his ass kicked.
My government has turned into that guy.”

Search your memory for some acquaintance you had who was not “mild mannered” but a rude, arrogant and aggressive bully who would pick fights (mostly with defenseless, weaker guys) and either still manage to get his ass kicked or haul ass leaving disaster behind him and invariably declare “Mission accomplished.” That would be an appropriate comparison.
One more thing: it has not “turned into that guy.” You just noticed now.

Your last paragraph ruins your post.

This article is a little off topic but I’m sure China and Russia know all about the war on the planet and the people – but what will Russia and China do about it since they have some of the same capabilities ?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/heirs-rosalie-bertell-her-significance-women-movement-view-today-new-war-against-all-life-mother-earth-herself/5793198

“Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China. One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people. So the bipartisan moral outrage against the Chinese Communist Party is justified,…”

This argument completely misses the point. Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, and AI-powered surveillance systems may be repugnant to free people, but they can hardly be held up as moral justification to condemn an aggressive invasion of a neighboring country or one on the other side of the world. If such systems are “objectively evil”, then they should be resisted on their own merits and not just because they are part of an “objectively evil” country which “we” (that is, the controllers, their sycophants, and their enablers–our side, in other words) are competing against.

No one and no power, great or small, has the moral authority to unilaterally attack anyone else simply because the victim has what the attacker wants. Every country, society, and culture is made up of multitudes of individuals, none of whom have any moral authority to aggress against others. If the individual alone cannot use aggression on moral grounds, then neither can the collective. Majority opinion simply does not confer that authority nor make it right.

All aggression, individual or collective, is an act of thievery. Any nation which initiates aggression against another (violently or not is irrelevant) has violated the age-old Law — “Thou shalt not steal.” George W. Bush is just as guilty of this as Xi Jinping would be or Adolf Hitler was. The only difference is that Bush is “we”, and they are not.

Mainland China will never be morally justified in unilaterally invading Taiwan for the simple reason that it is wrong. Nothing else matters.

Plausible. But if, say, Trump or DeSantis wins, how confident are you that either of them would refuse to indulge Israel’s fondest wish and attack Iran?

We were once the worlds policeman, and arguably did more good than harm in the early years post WW 2. But somewhere in time we morphed from policeman, to thugs, and now we are the worlds mafia

Don’t kid yourself.

When the Bolsheviks seized power in Russia in 1917, they razed thousands of churches, but left the synagogues untouched. And while they were hunting the Christian clergy like animals and murdering them with their wives and children, the Bolsheviks began funding rabbis to operate Yiddish language schools, for example, in Odessa.

When all was said and done, the Bolsheviks murdered 66 million Russian Christians.

We allied with those depraved monsters against a Christian Germany that posed zero threat to the United States. We carpet bombed their cities, and exterminated millions of German POWs even after the German surrender.

The United States has never been “a force for good.”

The NEOCONS are absolutely lunatics..IF the DEMs win in 2024 America will be wiped out..

ZOG knows exactly what it is doing. The complete destruction of the United States is precisely the goal; there is nothing lunatic about it. Indeed, the destruction of the United States is simply an act of obedience for the pious Jew, whom God commands in Deuteronomy to “pull down and destroy” all the nations of the world.

What’s ‘hasbara’ in Chinese? They seem to way outnumber the Israel trolls on this thread.

One can recognize that China is a deeply unfree regime — one where this forum never would be permitted — without buying into provocative, bipartisan warmongering against China.

That’s exactly what author Liam Cosgrove has done, only to have his rather mild critiques of China denounced as imaginary. Sad.

At the risk of being seen as sexist, OMFG, not another dumb female leader running a country into the abyss.

Why do Taiwan houses have bars on EVERY windows, as seen on Google streetview.

Are you worried about werewolves or vampires, or other scary monsters.

Are you keeping others out, or is it to keep you inside your house, does the state lock your front door up at night !?

and bars on every window on their houses, its horrific to see on street-view.

How can the USA fight a war anywhere if 62% of the country is considered possible white supremacists by the Supreme Leader of the Armed forces Loyd Austin?
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/us/lloyd-austin-extremism-military.html

from globohomo ChatGPT,

&https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_bondage

Debt bondage is considered a form of modern-day slavery. It occurs when a person is forced to work in order to pay off a debt, but the terms of the debt are so exploitative that the person is unable to pay it off and becomes trapped in a cycle of debt and labor. Debt bondage is often accompanied by physical or psychological coercion, and individuals who are trapped in this situation may face harsh working conditions, restricted movement, and violence or other forms of abuse./…/

At the same time, critics have raised concerns about certain aspects of US foreign policy, including the use of economic sanctions and debt relief measures, that may inadvertently contribute to debt bondage and other forms of exploitation. For example, some have argued that economic sanctions can exacerbate poverty and inequality, which may in turn increase the likelihood of debt bondage and other forms of exploitation.https://ticdata.treasury.gov/Publish/slt1d.txt

/…/The legacy of British colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade continues to shape contemporary society, including the prevalence of debt bondage and other forms of exploitation. While King Charles II and other historical figures were not directly responsible for these issues, it is important to recognize the ways in which historical injustices and power imbalances continue to affect contemporary society.

“China lifts 800m people out of poverty over 40 years, accounting for 75% of global poverty reduction.”

Correspondingly, China gain has been the loss for the peoples of Western Europe and North America; and yes, the elite have done extremely well on the backs of cheap Chinese labor and environmental degradation but the superb standard of living for the race who invented the modern world is totally destroyed.

Correction # 1) G H W Bush. Chimpy was still drinking then.

Correction #2) I have it on good authority that the 2000 troops and 4 tanks are not going to take on Wagner but instead have Bock’s playbook and are going straight to Moscow to decapitate the snake. The Canadian trannies are going to be the shock troops, and shock they will.

Cheers-

Xi Jinping considers Taiwan part of China.

Taiwan also considers Taiwan to be a part of China.

One day, he may decide to invade. Would he be morally justified in doing so? No. Slave labor camps, social credit scores, an AI-powered surveillance state that crushes any seeds of dissonance before they grow — these are objectively evil systems, and we shouldn’t wish them imposed on any people.

And stopped reading right there. Kill yourself, liberal scum.

and farm workers, including children.

“Liam Cosgrove” is a lolbertarian, so it’s likely that he agrees with most other lolbertarians that child labor and immigrant wage slavery are good things.

“This country should not suffer from the stupidity and low intelligence of the Washington players.”
— The “players” were selected to behave “stupid.” Look at the geriatric kleptocracy represented by Nancy, Joe, and Chuck. The owners of the collective west (the union of bankers and fascist mega-corporations) are not interested in the citizenry. They are interested in a baseline. Policies and activities of the owners (Federal Reserve, BlackRock, Vanguard, et al.) do not factor in the well-being of humanity – and even the well-being of nations where the owners live. However, many among the owners are loyal to the supremacist Jewish State.

Bankers want to loot. Instead of developing natural reserves with which the US is abundantly blessed, and instead of improving the lives of living children by applying well-established methods of education and providing free healthcare to children and their industrious parents, the owners of the collective west use American resources to organize plundering expeditions around the globe. The US is a gangster state in service to a cabal of bankers.

The cabal enjoys seeing the goyim suffer. The ongoing genocide of Slavs gives the genociders special joy. The government is teeming with Straussians (neo-talmudists), war profiteers/oilmen, bandits of BigPharma, and the CIA’s and “judicial system’s” sadists.

This is why the following is irrelevant for the owners:

China controls 97% of manganese steel processing (essential for cement, railroads, tractors, and mining).
They produce a “substantial portion” of our antibiotics.
China and Taiwan combined account for 70% of global semiconductor production (this would likely halt during an invasion or if China blockaded).
US imports nearly four times the number of goods from the Chinese that it exports to them.

The worst western criminals remain untouchable. The traitors and genociders like Cheney, Clintons, Blair, Obamas, Soros, Kagans are protected by the owners as a lesson in satanism to the general populace.

The Kagans are back: wars to follow: https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/225993/
FBI files indict Bush, Cheney, and Co. as war criminals: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/05/fbi-m23.html
Hillary’s war crime: https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/10/24/hillarys-war-crime/
Clinton’s war atrocities: https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/kosovo-indictment-proves-bill-clintons-serbian-war-atrocities/
How Obama came to bomb seven countries in six years: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/peace-president-how-obama-came-to-bomb-seven-countries-in-six-years-9753131.html
Obama’s slave markets in Lybia: Executions, torture, and slave markets persist in Libya: U.N. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-rights-idUSKBN1GX1JY

All wars are bankers’ wars.

A regular neo-talmudist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntsfiAXMEE

DC China Hawks Will Virtue Signal This Country Into Poverty

WRONG ! The Gook worms are picking a fight with the Hawks who buy their cheap trash. That is why they came forward withe a Ukraine peace treaty !

In the event of a war China will revert to the slum status it enjoyed 50 years ago. They need us but we dont need them. They know it full well. That race has never been inventors and innovators. They are copiers !

As for those who love China, keep this in mind, they dont love you. Whites need to keep these people in their place and there are 2 ways this can be accomplished.

1.) You tell them to behave and respect Whites who are clearly the superior race
2.) You reduce them all to silicone

If they will not hear, then they must feel !

From speaking to people in the UK and from what I have read in the comments on the Internet I think many have the wrong perception of what China is actually like. It is a libertarian country. (I think that’s the right word.) If you choose not to send your children to school, no welfare officer is going to knock on your door. Restaurants have back rooms where customers smoke and gamble on cards to their hearts content. If you want to sell your farm’s produce on the side of the road, you don’t need a licence. If you are collecting scrap for recycling (cardboard for some reason is big over there) you don’t need a licence. Remember China has a population the size of Europe and it is still largely rural, so there is no way that the authorities are able to monitor everyone, even if they wanted to. They do it is true want to promote pro-social behaviour, but only in a sensible way, such as considerate driving. They don’t for instance demand that you have, or pretend to have, the right attitudes towards homosexuals and blacks.

The U.S. bombed Afghanistan for 20 years. Meanwhile, within a year, China has built canals to help farmers.

Totally different philosophy. https://t.co/OJJa89BfRk

— S.L. Kanthan (@Kanthan2030) March 5, 2023

Mainland China will never be morally justified in unilaterally invading Taiwan for the simple reason that it is wrong. Nothing else matters.

You can’t say “never” because the devil is always in the details; details that have to be the subject of moral reasoning. For example, what if it’s clear that a majority of the people of Taiwan don’t want Taiwan to be Ukraine #2 (i.e. an expendable imperial blunt instrument to be used against China) but their corrupt government has sold them out? What if the evil empire makes a deal with the ruling elite in Taiwan to deploy missiles there (aimed at China)?

Morality has got nothing to do with it when it comes to Sovereigns. You get points for an apparent low level of psychopathy, but what serves us in assessing the humans is of no value within the realm of geopolitics.

Note that I refer to Sovereigns. Not the state, its leader, or its people(s). Most especially not with “we” or “they.” The point being to label it so that it doesn’t intrude in sober analysis and forecasting.

Believe me, it helps if you just accept that no Sovereign is cute and cuddly.

Rather than belabor, one example will suffice. Nixon’s opening to China was, rather obviously, driven by the Cold War struggle against the Soviet Union. In that bargain, the poor Cambodians got the short end of the stick.

Even if this author’s Taiwan data is inflated, indisputably it and its people have been the beneficiaries of the bilateral US-China relationship of the last 50 years. Ukraine is no useful analogue because, however you assign the blame, it’s been worst in class since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

As at least a few of my previous comments attest, Poland is much more comparable to Taiwan. Poland has been probably the greatest overall beneficiary in Eastern/Central Europe post 1991. It, too, is on the hot seat, with the current titanic struggle determining whether it will end up as roadkill.

China and Russia to inherit the African headache.

There’s no fixing black.

AFRICA REJECTS MACRON. MACRON BLAMES WAGNER

Video Link

One is reminded that the western ruling elites don’t want prosperity – at least, not for us. If the average person is crushed into poverty, the rich will do very well, even if the overall ‘economy’ looks poor. Nothing makes the rich richer than cheap labor.

In the Great Depression in the United States, sure, a few stockbrokers jumped off buildings, but most of the old-money rich did very well. They LIKED the Great Depression, they clawed like scalded cats to keep it from ending! So if some sort of idiotic sanctions on China results in mass poverty in the USA, well, so what? It’s not a bug, it’s a feature!

US relations with China are more symbiotic than anything else. The terrorist USEUNATO conglomerate invested in and opened “free markets” for China knowing full well that something akin to what had been done with Japan in the 19th century was going to happen. Now, China has more Disneylands than Europe, is among the largest WHO donors, plandemic sponsors and COVID-19 “vaccine” peddlers, and trades a combined trillion+ dollars with the US-led terrorists.

And people nodding when told that whatever the US does simply depends on the “hawks” shitting all over Tel Aviv-on-Potomac, when the “hawks” will have business with China even if they gotta go to war with China to do it.

China and Russia are not interested in “fixing the African headache.” They don’t try to forcibly impose their values on their allies in the way the west does, so they don’t view Africa and its various cultures as problems in need of “fixing.”

One can recognize that China is a deeply unfree regime — one where this forum never would be permitted — without buying into provocative, bipartisan warmongering against China.

Who are you (or for that matter, any other citizen of the corrupt West) to determine that “China is a deeply unfree regime” in the first place? Let he who has perfect “freedom” in his own country cast the first stone.

And to the extent we non-Chinese citizens of the corrupt West can meaningfully define “freedom” in the first place and to the extent we may agree that China is accordingly “unfree,” so what? Maybe being “unfree” is what the people of China et al. need and/or want. For example, if the Yanukovych government in Ukraine had been a little more “unfree” we likely would not have been manipulated to the verge of a nuclear war with Russia. Perhaps being somewhat “unfree” is in many cases a better option than being free enough to have your country be subverted, manipulated and destroyed by a Satanic cult.

That’s exactly what author Liam Cosgrove has done, only to have his rather mild critiques of China denounced as imaginary. Sad.

Being that he’s just glibly regurgitating U.S. “government” anti-China talking points, he’s opened himself up to legitimate criticism.

Fixing for you: The US will never be morally justified in unilaterally invading Cuba, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, et al. for the simple reason that it is wrong. Nothing else matters.

Do you cynically pretend to be an innocent shriveling violet dreaming of democracy on the march supported by 800 military bases that the rapacious gangster-state US installed around the globe (including dozens of bioweaponry labs, mind you)? Or are you so ignorant that you believe in the morality of the Zionzied US empire of lies?

The Pentagon Bio-weapons: https://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/

Is she from your tribe? Madeleine Albright, “The deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it” for Iraq’s nonexistent WMD’s

The more of our industrial base that emigrates to countries like china, the weaker our position will be if we have to ramp up to wartime production. Knowledge and skills necessary to maintain and produce and sustain, lost in a generation.

“In which place can you (nicely) argue with a cop and not get immediately taxed or shot?”

Why was this question posed? Am I missing something?

Speaking for myself I have found through actual events that every place I’ve lived in the United States (about 7 places) I can argue nicely with a cop and half the time I get a ticket and half the time I don’t get a ticket.

The average citizen of Iraq, Libya, and Syria will most certainly agree with the latter portion of my last paragraph.

And its just a matter of time when the average Ukrainian in post war Ukraine will agree also.

I see nothing honorable about a wealthy country using the citizens of a very poor country to shed massive amounts of their blood to benefit the members of the wealthy countries “elite”.

The war in Ukraine is most certainly NOT about saving non existing democracy in Ukraine, but it is 100% about using the people of Ukraine to harm, as much as possible, Russia’s economy and military. You will be hard pressed to find a better example of a proxy war where a wealthy country uses and abuses a poor country.

Digital Age of Global Feudalism. “New World Order” and the “Great Reset.”

Its easy to contrast the foreign policy of China and the United States over the past 30 years:

China builds stuff. The US blows stuff up.

China does not choose sides between foreign country political parties. The US constantly picks a side and will use any means necessary to effect a change when “needed”.

You might re-read “Confessions of an Economic Hitman”.

The US has a step-wise process for stealing others’ resources.

First, send in engineering firms to offer to build world-class ports, dams, airports, roadways (don’t think we can do trains?), and other dazzling but un-necessary infrastructure. Interest rates are usurious and cannot be repaid.

Second, sweeten the pot by offering the leader a major bribe to sign off on such improvements. If he says no he is expendable and a new better US Puppet is selected (think Zelensky after Yanukovych.) The bribing and killing of leaders is the CIA’s job. This includes coups such as Egypt’s, Honduras’ and Ukraine’s under Obama. There is really no difference between overthrowing a democratically elected government to secure a boot on the country’s neck and invading and occupying it; often occupation/ control (by the US) follows coups.

Third, send in the military. This never works well (think Vietnam, Bosnia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, most of Latin America and Africa) for the natives, but moves lots of taxpayer monies to politicians and the MIC.

OK, Anon. Russia and China will unite in a military and trading alliance and will bring India, Iran, Eastern Europe and the global South together to defeat ZOG. Once the Talmudic conspiracy is exterminated, and Western people liberated, humanity can progress.

You won’t be invited.

Diplomacy is not off the table. We are doing what we think is diplomacy. Diplomacy is, “Do what we tell you to do or we will bomb you into the stone age.”

Lousy Article.

I stopped reading after the “Xi considers Taiwan as part of China…”

So do most Nation-States.

Invade? How do you do that within one’s own Territory?

Author is an ignorant, patronizing Retard.

Remember Nixon? One China Policy – which is being “Double Speaked” (Orwell) with Brandon+Blinken’s desperate MICC Money laundering Scheme through the Taiwan Island’s DPP with Tsai Ing-Wen?

Tsai, an Agent of the USA StateDept’s NatlEndowmntDemocracy(NED), the 5thColumn/ColorRevo Org?

Taiwan Island, never an Independent Sovereign State nor a Democracy? Taipei have until recently, have been claiming to be the Govt of “All of China” since their Civil War.

Soros-Schwartz, whose OpenSociety and other ColorRevo Ops have been shut down in CHN – yet being self-admittedly amoral, can’t back off and continues to push for Regime Changes in RUS, CHN, and IND?

DPP have a small footprint, Taiwan Island Residents don’t want the Island to be used as a War Theater, and now KMT – the Mainstream Dictatorship (DPP being the Pro-Murican Offshoot Dictatorship) – are in Dialogue with the Mainland.

CHN already demonstrated that they can have their Planes circling Taiwan within Minutes while their Fleet encircle the Island within Hours.

As I have posted many times already, this is a Defensive War for CHN(who have all the Missiles, ASW/Attack/Fighter_Aircraft, Ships, and Submarines to sink any Fleet AUKUS can muster), who now have a Transoceanic “Blue Water Navy”. CHN have Scores to Settle with Anglo-Murican ZioMasons; and CHN Expansionists have once claimed AUS for them back in the 1970s. The Defensive War can be flipped into an Offensive War, with CHN taking PHL(MasonicSpanishMuricanExColony), AUS, and NZL.

Murica, ZATOceania, AUKUS, ANZUS, RAND/ISW/STRATFOR – whatever Venue and AgitProp the Masonic-Zionist Hegemony try to subvert and subjugate CHN, IND, and the rest of Asia will Fail save for a few Murican Vassals.

Containment is a failed Strategy. CHN’s SilkRoad, SCO, and the RCEP-Asia Trading Area will prosper WITHOUT Anglo-Murica and Soros-Schwartz.

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I suspect that Soros-Schwartz and Anglo-Murican/Masonic-Zionist/Khazar-Ashkenazi Associates will continue the AgitProp as RUS+CHN are now beyond their reach to subjugate directly.

To the Hegemon-Plutarchy, Murica/ZATOceania/AUKUS – are all Expendable Nation-States – and will be hurled against CHN as they tried with UKR against RUS.

Yet the AgitProp+Sanctions are too weak and Taiwan/DPP have too small a footprint. Any “FalseFlags” rendered by AUKUS will be shut down by CHN.

IMHO, “ISR+Diaspora” – aka “World Jewry” are the only Hegemony “Nation-State”(now that ISR are a Nation-State) that aren’t Expendable; and if invaded/targeted, will be defended by the Rest of the Hegemony at the expense of the “Vassal” Hegemony Nation-States.

These are the Events which may confirm the Multi-Polar separations of the World.

Might as well be.

Your comment got me thinking, thank you.

To quibble, China doesn’t have a population the size of Europe; it has a population well more than TWICE that of Europe, the “uk”, Scandinavia, the Balkans, and the ukraine combined.

Your examples are helpful, and heartening, if true. I wonder about one of those examples, though: do Chinese people really have the right to homeschool their children or send them to a private school of their choice, refusing to have them ever attend any government-owned/controlled school? Do schools exist that have the right to determine their own curriculum free from government-mandated content in history, philosophy/religion, and the social sciences?

Another question: do Chinese people have the right to speak out and assemble to call for a new system of government where the CPC has no guaranteed power or favored position? That’s a big one, isn’t it?

…………. Now don’t get me wrong, please. The US is increasingly authoritarian, even totalitarian, in its “laws” and tactics, and has murdered, maimed, terrorized and displaced millions of people — mostly women, children, and elderly people, not men under arms — far from its borders over the past 33 years especially (and for far longer than that).

So the US government and its apologists have no standing to condemn China for anything China does or may do at home or abroad. The US is one of the last regimes that would have moral standing and credibility. Nor is it the US’s place to dictate how China’s territory/people should be organized or governed. Nor to dictate which countries may trade with which, at what prices, in what currency.

I’m just saying that people seeking a reasonably FREE, dignified, peaceable, truly human life in the near future, would do well to avoid both China and the US. A life of constant surveillance, coercion, and control is a nightmare to me and many remaining Americans, whether it’s imposed by people and sound who look like us or not.

Americans would do well to resist the burgeoning surveillance state and the government-corporate-tech-bank-plutocrat powers that are robbing them and destroying their lives, air and water, their children’s health and minds and values, infrastructure, culture and well, their whole civilization. Or peacefully work to develop a parallel system to provide services, transport goods, and protect and help each other. Or begin getting out of the country.

Those are three options. The fourth option, which does nothing for Americans and can easily lead to our death and impoverishment, is of course the one the US regime is pursuing: a murderous authoritarian state (US) encircling and threatening war against another regime because the target regime (China) is … murderous and authoritarian.

…with perhaps a handful of exceptions,….

Nah…no exceptions.

Where does this change of doctrine and position come from? Why is it different from yesteryears of the “One China Policy”, when China was poor and had less than 50% of its current GDP?? I think the answer is monetary in basis. Taiwan in those days had less asset value. It did not have the dominance on high end microprocessors and other advanced technologies. This motivation is similar to the seemingly irrational fanatical commitment to Ukraine. Neither of these countries have a strategic value that would come close to equaling their cost of treasure, blood, of America-or Jewrope for that matter.

So, one wonders, why the fetish, preoccupation, and obsession with control and at least maintenance of large amount of control over its various policies. After sifting through the various factors of motivation and reasons to risk so much for a disproportionate amount of material benefit-to the country as a whole-there is simply an absence of answers. “Winning” in these wars against Russia or China is a relative term. It is a term that really means who has suffered the most destruction- and that could be a difference in the single percentage digits.

There is only one entity that benefit from these two wars of attrition. Those are the International Cosmopolitans, the ZIO International Cabal. For Ukraine to be dissolved-most of its wealth is concentrated in the Donbasss, worth trillions-with its rich farmland (mostly owned by “multinationals”, this amounts to a loss on their balance sheets beyond a trillion dollars instantly, and trillions dollars more in future. In Taiwan, similarly, this wealth generating machine of microchips supplied to the world has an inside track when China is sanctioned, restricted, and otherwise hampered with the intention to weaken by the JewSA. Trillions on the table.

And who runs the West? If there was any doubt, look up from your TV and observe the spreading of Wokeness, The Covid Surrealism, Climate Change (no data to substantiate or backup claims). Rothchild, et al, Inc. runs the world.

Lately, the simulated war games of the Pentagoon have produced strange and mutated outcomes in a war with China over Taiwan invasion by China. How can this be, when nothing material has changed, Americur is weaker militarily, economically, and socially frayed. War game simulations for over 10 years prior to the Ukraine situation had the JewSA loosing completely – as in destroyed within 2 weeks of a full on assault against China.

This is not a paradox, anomaly, or error. It is the same people that force outcomes, opinions, policies, and their own “facts, and outcomes”
to suit their purposes. Nothing is beyond their power to manipulate, mutate, distort, or simply invert. At least China acts generally for
what is the best for its people in general ways, on the average.

Google: us pentagon war simulation against china

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/in-the-spirit-of-russian-total-war

Why are the pigs pulling you over so much? 😉

China the largest supplier of goods? Just take a look at the devastation in the U.S. rust belt and you can see that.
lll

You must be a student, very young, or were stunted in overall personality development at some age, and experienced permanent stasis.

Nothing matters son, in macro terms, except money and power. Repeat this sentence as many times as necessary for it to imprint itself on your memory synapses-chemical change.

Dumbest comment I´ve read in months. Saying something.

Hypotheticals can be created to justify any argument. They are generally attempts to justify one’s viewpoint without having to concede any ground to an opposing line of reasoning. They are an effort to evade answering the question or issue directly.

What if we have to destroy the village in order to save it?
What if Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?
What if Russia invades western Europe after it chews up the rest of Ukraine?
What if a novel coronavirus suddenly appears on the scene and causes the entire world to go insane?
What if I get into a fight with my wife, go to a local bar, get staggering drunk, and have some hot floozy hit on me?

How much are you willing to give up or have taken from you on the possibility that one of these scenarios (or any of many more) MIGHT actually happen? According to your theory, we should be willing to shred any semblance of moral reasoning because, gawrshamighty, something MIGHT happen.

If the majority of Taiwanese don’t want to become the next Ukraine or have missiles based on their rock, then they are primarily responsible to do whatever is necessary to ensure that does not happen. However, it is also OUR moral responsibility as individual Americans to do whatever we can to see to it that does not happen.

If the US is not involved in that mix, then nothing that you have projected will occur.

What do you mean by “Sovereigns”? Plain English, please.

People speak of the Brazilification of the USA. I believe we are past that. We are at the Egyptization of the Brazilified USA.

So if some sort of idiotic sanctions on China results in mass poverty in the USA

US industries will have to come home. The price may be high, but it’s a matter of US survival. The Chinese have already calculated that if this doesn’t happen within the next decade, they will have absolute world economic hegemony by 2050.

You can wait till kingdom come, because China will not open for inspections.

Just more lies and misinformation. China has invited “International inspections” on numerous occasions. Some countries have declined invitations (i.e. EU March 25, 2019) because “this would dispel their lies and propaganda”. Below is just a sample of International visits. See link at bottom for a conclusive report on Xinjiang:

➤ 2018 December 28-30 – Diplomats from 12 countries (Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Afghanistan, Thailand, and Kuwait) visit Xinjiang. Pakistani diplomat Mumtaz Zahra Baloch reported that the delegation was given full and open access to three vocational centers and that she “did not find any instance of forced labor or cultural and religious repression” during her tours of the region.

➤ 2019 January 6 – Reuters visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 January 9-16 – A media group of 12 representatives from 6 countries (Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka) visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 January 22 – The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation announces its one-week-long visit to China. This is presumably the visit on which the later OIC resolution is based.

➤ 2019 January 25-31 – A media delegation from Egypt visits Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 January 29 – A European Union delegation visits Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 February 16-19 – Senior diplomats from the permanent missions of eight countries to the United Nations Office at Geneva visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 February 22-27 – A group of 11 journalists from Indonesia and Malaysia, as part of the ASEAN Elites China Tour 2019, visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 February 25-27 – Around 200 representatives of 50 political parties from nearly 30 countries visit Urumqi Xinjiang for a meeting aimed at showcasing China’s ethnic policy in Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 February 28-March 2 – Diplomats from Myanmar, Algeria, Morocco, Vietnam, Hungary, Greece, Singapore and the mission of the League of Arab States visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 March 1-2 – 46th Session of the Council of Foreign Ministers, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation Resolutions on Muslim Communities and Muslim Minorities in the Non-OIC Member States (OIC/CFM-46/2019/MM/RES/FINAL), ¶20 of Resolution No.1/46-MM [pg.5] (“… commends the efforts of the People’s Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens…”).

➤ 2019 March 18 – China releases the white paper “The Fight Against Terrorism and Extremism and Human Rights Protection in Xinjiang.” A transfer employment program for 100,000 people was mentioned and would presumably be the object of consternation in the ASPI report of March 2020 alleging slavery.

CGTN summary with some infographics

➤ 2019 March 25 – The European Union rejects China’s offer of Xinjiang tour, but says it is open to one later. The EU would sit on its rain check for 539 days before once again demanding “independent” investigations into Xinjiang on September 14, 2020, despite the nearly 1,000 personnel from diplomatic, media, and academic circles who were invited to visit Xinjiang in 2019.

➤ 2019 March 27-29 – Milan Bacevic, Serbian Ambassador to China, and Selim Belortaja, Albanian Ambassador to China, visit Xinjiang.

➤ 2019 May 7 – NPR releases its report on its visit to a vocational center.

➤ 2019 May 10 – Val Thompson, founder and publisher of International Focus Magazine – Houston, writes on his experiences visiting Xinjiang. He states that in his group of media visitors were journalists from “Afghanistan, Egypt, Belgium, Bangladesh, Belarus, Jordan, Japan, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Iran, India, Malaysia, Morocco, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, UAE, USA, Switzerland, and a Geneva Delegation.”

➤ 2019 June 15 – Under Secretary-General of the United Nations Counter-Terrorism Office Vladimir Voronkov visits Xinjiang and reaches a “broad consensus” with China on the issue of counter-terrorism.

➤ 2019 June 18 – BBC’s visit to a vocational center.

See also Sun, Feiyang, “Breaking down the BBC’s visit to Hotan, Xinjiang.” Medium. July 18, 2019.

➤ 2019 June 18-21 – Diplomats from 14 countries (including Algeria, Burkina Faso, Congo (Democratic Republic of), Laos, Malaysia, Nigeria, Serbia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Togo) and a representative from the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation based in Geneva visit Xinjiang.

https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

Fixing for you: The US will never be morally justified in unilaterally invading Cuba, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, et al. for the simple reason that it is wrong. Nothing else matters.

You’re not making much sense. I said:

“You can’t say ‘never’ because the devil is always in the details; details that have to be the subject of moral reasoning.”

Do you really not understand this simple sentence?

Note some of the important words I used: “never” and “details.” My point was that sometimes an invasion of a territory/country by another country is apparently justifiable on moral grounds.

Were the Russian invasion of the territory of “Ukraine” and the U.S. invasion of Iraq and/or Syria on the same moral plane? No of course not. How do I know that? I know that by a moral analysis of the context-establishing details. Nothing I said in reply to Roger can be construed (by any reasonable person) to “justify” the heinous crimes of the evil empire.

Do you cynically pretend to be an innocent shriveling violet dreaming of democracy on the march supported by 800 military bases that the rapacious gangster-state US installed around the globe (including dozens of bioweaponry labs, mind you)? Or are you so ignorant that you believe in the morality of the Zionzied US empire of lies?

Do you cynically pretend to understand English? Maybe you can find a sympathetic adult in your neighborhood who can read what I wrote and explain it to you in simpler, child-like terms, commensurate with your profound cognitive impairment.

The zionists control both the ZUS and ZChina , the China war talk is a psyop, I will not believe it until I see the ZUS controlled corporations pulling out of China, war with China would be another mistake, the Chinese will fight, remember the battles at the Chosin reservoir, see these books The Last Stand of Fox Company and Colder Than Hell and On Dangerous Ground, and Breakout, these can be had on amazon, fighting the Chinese on the ground will be a mistake.

Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity.

ZOG knows exactly what it is doing. The complete destruction of the United States is precisely the goal; there is nothing lunatic about it.

Don’t they want to subjugate the United States? If the U.S. collapses, then wouldn’t its aid and support to Israel go down with it, and wouldn’t Israel go down as a result?

Your comments don’t make much sense. If Taiwan becomes a military outpost of the Satanic U.S. empire, an invasion by China may be morally justifiable, just as Russia’s invasion of the lawless territory of Ukraine is morally justifiable. Period. The end.

The “Christians” in late Czarist Russia were of a degree of corruption and business-mindedness you cannot imagine. That trait of character from the clergy developed by stages under Ivan the Terrible and flourished under Peter the Great. To the point that Lenin himself said he would have no problem with the Orthodox clergy nor with the rank and file virtue signaller urban Orthodox. Orthodoxy was mostly an argument to oppose any denouncer of corruption as an opponent to the divine willed order of things and to prevent too intelligent people from speaking. Therefore Lenin considered them as accomplished practical materialists for the greater part, to be gradually converted by stages into diamat by appealing to their sense of self-interest. Lenin himself said he would destroy only the mystics but that wouldn’t be a big problem since about 1% of Orthodox practitioners did it for idealistic reasons. He was somewhat more afraid of Catholics who on average believed in their thing more sincerely as well as of Western missionaries in general, who among the religious suffered the hardest during the Lenin-Trotsky years proper as they could be sent to gulags on espionage charges as well as of parasitism. The general populace had been just fed with Orthodox religion and destroyed their own churches by their own efforts so to speak, if only for cheap, lawful pillage. The Jews as religious Jews hadn’t it so good : in the best cases their synagogues had to be converted into full-fledged Bolshevik indoctrination centres opened to all, otherwise confiscation was the general rule for their buildings. Jews in Odessa were criminals and traffickers, most of them of recent international origin, and would tolerate of no moral teaching especially from among their own. In Baltic Russia the only Jews that had it great were those of American nationality looking for a carreer in Soviet Russia. They didn’t like local Jews. Local Jews as a rule were among the most opposed to socialism as it meant the loss of their own privileges which were generally permits granted by the preceding regime, like the right to usury up to a certain extent. Most of these local Jews knew that their best interests was to migrate ASAP to a Western country and they did, preferably to the US.

No there were not 66 million Christians dead because there didn’t remain more than maybe a few millions who did still believed in Orthodoxy : they were like Christians in California. Most Californians when hearing of Christianity think of an absolute religious enemy, and when they are in a sect it is for the money. Actually Lenin’s prophecy came true not very long after his demise : most former Orthodox clerics and virtue signallers proved to be the best practical materialists, ready to interpret any awful bureaucratic decision as divine will never to question and to try rather to benefit from as an individual, in the rare cases they did have any belief at all. It is among that bulk of former Orthodox professional eye wide-shutters that the new generation of rank and file Stalinist bureaucrats was recruited in droves, as their religious treason was the best guarantee they would condone and enjoy any further crime ordered to them. The religious cult of Lenin and then of Stalin was developed to please them in priority by the most direct appeal conceivable to the kind of cheap religiosity they were already conditioned in. Those who bore the brunt of the purges and peopled the gulags were the former idealists of the Bolshevik revolution, though the intellectual opponents were always a quite scanty minority among the gulag population (in general the punishment for the slightest whiff of intellectual dissidence was not forced labour but a bullet or, under the beginnings of the regime through the collectivization of Ukraine, having your skull broken open with a hammer or you head severed with a sickle, hence the true origin of the infamous soviet emblem) : these camps were primarily designed as an attempt to “civilize” whole nomadic predatory ethnic groups that had always thrived through the pillaging of entire regions of muzhiks.

It’s my catchall term for the enduring national or imperial entity. My point in using it is to simply avoid having to get stuck in the morass of the particulars of any particular power in discussions like this.

For example, even during the centuries old low point for the Russian Empire during the disastrous Yeltsin years, the Russian sovereign still still engaged in the first Chechen War as best as it could.

China is an even older empire. Those enduring impulses to not just survive but thrive, even with Mongols in charge, is the Sovereign. That’s the thing that will never accept Taiwan as an independent power aligned with another against it.

I do not doubt your conclusion. The sordid history of the US from the destruction of the USS Maine in Havana in 1898 to the present day simply verifies what you are saying is true and accurate. However, all that you have done is to express the immorality of the “project”, but said nothing at all about changing that for the better.

How would your scenario fare if “we” seriously entertained a moral (“Thou Shalt Not Steal”) perspective on foreign policy in the US? How could that be brought about? Would it be imposed from the top down or have to be implemented at the individual level first?

The fact is that because we individuals generally benefit from the actions of our “leaders”, we turn a blind eye to the overall morality of their exercises, preferring instead to find some reason to make excuses for their (our) actions. After all, what is good for General Motors is good for the country, even if we have to be bled dry to ensure that GM gets what it wants in the form of subsidies, favorable regulations, preferred taxpayer status, etc.

Nothing about “our” aggressive foreign policy will change until large amounts of people at the grassroots level realize that moral action is the responsibility of the individual and make the necessary changes within themselves. Unfortunately, this takes time and this societal change is not going to happen until well after the Taiwan question has long been settled. America may be turned into a charred, radioactive, unlivable piece of real estate before that happens. In an immoral society, anything goes. Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead!!

I stand my ground. Absolute moral conviction matters.

Much too simplistic. There are times when aggression is justified.

This fellow is quite the propagandist. Slave labour camps??? Utter, fabricated, bullshit. Work in prisons? Universal, including in China. Social credit scores? Mostly an aid to citizens to recognise shonks, spivs and other crooks. AI blah, blah, ‘surveillance State’?? A country assailed by the West in every way for decades will protect itself from subversion and treachery. Ordinary Chinese can complain as much as they like, protest, petition the Government etc, but are not allowed to actively subvert the State at the behest of foreign enemies. This brainwashed goo shows just how completely racist indoctrination pervades US discourse.

You are going to have to ignore most of these comments for your excellent article.

It must be because of weak personalities, or the desire to be a fanboy, or a mind that cannot hold two opposing thoughts in their head, but many of these posters are bizarrely enamored with a country that is just as brutal as the US Government.

Most, if not all of them, have never been to China, nor do they probably have a passport.

It is the non woke perspective they are clinging to, not realizing that the CCP’s (YES CCP) enthusiasm for BLM is greater than a San Fran liberal arts teacher with hairy legs and a black boy friend.

It is a real downside to this site, but they will not stop with the romantics over the Communist Party of China. Facts don’t matter and

…..it never dawning on these dunder heads it is a brutal regime that crushes any opposition and regards white working class Americans as cockroaches.

The fentanyl poisoning, the corporate and healthcare spying, the crushing of the individual who steps out of line…all folly!

One flaw in your argument-China is NOT ‘murderous and authoritarian’. You’re just brainwashed. You are correct about the USA, however.

Mar 10, 2021 Economic Rulemaking in the Asia-Pacific Region by The Center for Strategic & International Studies

Please join us virtually for the annual CSIS-JETRO conference on Asia-Pacific economic integration and U.S.-Japan relations. Participants will explore a range of issues including trade, the impact of U.S.-China competition on supply chains, and the prospects for U.S.-Japan joint leadership on economic rulemaking in the region.

The subtitle’s point about the idiocy of waging war against your biggest financier and supplier is a good one. The final paragraph was unrelated to what came before.

Which Countries are the most likely to end the US Role as World Hegemon? Russia and China are the two most likely suspects. The people and entities that own the Political Wh#re Class in D.C. realize–deep down inside where no one can see them–the “Exceptional Nation” is on its last legs. I think a lot of what is going on is Spin Control. The people and entities who are REALLY responsible for the Collapse of the USA as a Nation want to remain in Power. This goes a long way to explain the behavior of the Political Puppets–and their Enablers in the tightly controlled, Billionaire owned American Mainstream Media (MSM). And The Swamp in D.C.–or The Deep State if that’s what you want to call it–has run almost ALL Political Dissenters out of Town. This results in a totally distorted Reality for the Political “Ho’s” in D.C. The Special Interests, such as the Billionaires (Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos to name two) and the War Profiteers do not care what kind of future awaits the USA as a Nation.

It’s just pointing out the ‘CCP’ instead of ‘CPC’ is just a racist mantra for Sinophobes. Like calling Xi Jinping, ‘Jinping’. Like that creature, Battyaroma on Fox, who spits it out fifty times a minute as she rants.

To Be Agreed March 2023: Canada will send its 2,000 Latvian troops and 4 Leopard tanks and take on Wagner.

Justine is a busboy to the head waiter (USA) at the Zionist table.

After 1949 the Taiwan government or officially, the Republic of China(ROC) had threatened to invade the mainland (or PRC) more times than the PRC had ever threatened to invade the island. It was well known that on each Taiwan’s National Day, Jiang Kai Shek would say “shi jian dao le” or “the time is ripe” to invade the mainland. Jiang could say so because his sponsor was the United States. Until 1971 the US had recognized the Taiwan government (ROC) as the true China, and was happy thatTaiwan represented China not only in the UN but also in organizations such as the Olympics. Around 1962, the US was ready to use its forces to support Jiang’s plan to invade and the matter was discussed in Congress. It took the detailed testimony of the CIA that showed the futility of such an invasion because, despite the economic troubles on the mainland, the masses in the PRC still preferred Mao and that finally dissuaded the US from the venture. It was after 1965, when China tested its first atomic bomb, that threats to invade the mainland became less and less frequent. By 1972, when the PRC not only had the atomic bomb, but even the H-bomb, and was working on nuclear submarines, that ROC threats stopped altogether.

Since the military strength switched from Taiwan to Beijing, the US’s storyline changed from Taiwan (ROC) as China’s true government to Taiwan “wasn’t Chinese” at all. For a while there was even an attempt to say that the Taiwanese dialect wasn’t Chinese, at least until Lee Kuan Yew publicly laughed, pointing out that it was Hokkien (Fujianese), the main language of Chinese Singaporeans. There’re lots of interest tales about US’s stories about Taiwan but I’ll stop for now.

what you have to understand is that after the coast guard was absorbed by homeland security, dhs officials pointed out to them that there were coasts all over the world and it was their duty to guard all of them.

Various barbarous marauding island empires (yanks, japs, brits, etc) have been attempting to subjugate the Mackinder World Island (eurasia) for at least 200 years. The vast Mackinder World Island with its 21 million square miles, copious resources, and population of 5 billion (soon to be 5.5 billion when the euroweanies grow some balls and cast off their shackles) has always eventually repelled the island marauders. The present attack by the demented globohomoschlomo empire is likewise doomed to a humiliating defeat…. followed by the disintegration of the wretched globohomoschlomo empire itself.
The World Island perimeter is now protected by nuclear armed Russia (west) , India (south), and China (east), Arctic (north) making penetration by the globohomoschlomos impossible. The vile anal rainbow flag will not be planted anywhere on the World Island….a lesson the globohomoschlomos will have to learn the hard way (crappy pun intended)

There is no place for a policeman/tyrant on this planet. The animal kingdom likes freedom and independence and that include homo sapient. Birds, with their small brain are able to organize their life much better than humans do.

The American Ruling Class got it into its head in the post-WW II period that anything less than America as the world’s hegemon is unacceptable. A multipolar world is unacceptable! But why? Why can’t America be a power among other powers? Why this hysterical insistance on “We’re Number One?!” Is it remotely reasonable to insist on maintaining hegemonic power…in perpetuity? Of course not. But reason has nothing to do with it. Which is to say that only a sound and thorough thrashing will cure our Ruling Class of its obsession. The good news is that Russia will, is already delivering that thrashing in Ukraine. So maybe, just maybe Russia will save us from the nuclear apocalypse that is inevitable if America is not detoured from its mad hegemonic fixation.

Thou Shalt Not Steal

Absolute moral conviction matters.

Your reasoning is very twisted. In the case of China and Taiwan, the “theft” occurred when a rogue faction of Chinese elites fled to Taipei and declared themselves to be the true government of all China. If “absolute moral conviction matters,” as you say, then there is no reason for you to accept any absurd claims of Taiwan independence in the first place.

to protect the people of Donbass from Ukrainian Neo-Nazis terror.

Name one thing these psychopaths do that is “Nazi”, as in National Socialist German Workers Party, not the Hollywood caricature.
Buying into Putin’s “Nazi” theme validates the Soviet, now Russian, lie of the “Great Patriotic War”. That is not to say that millions of Russians weren’t killed, and there wasn’t great suffering, only that, as Soviet archives have verified, Germany launched its (suicide) invasion about a week before the Soviets were to unleash the largest invasion force ever assembled, on Europe.
These fake “Nazis” were trained in Poland by NATO for the purpose of overthrowing Yanukovich. NATO is Israel’s attack dog, but the Eastern Europeans are so blinded by hate toward “communism” and do not distinguish between communism, Russian, and Jewish. We have no such excuse in (((Western liberal democracies))). The Jews/Zionists who own our governments don’t even hide it.

Needlessly insulting as usual. OK, brah. I could have written “on the premise that” China is authoritarian and murderous.

After that, though, we’d still disagree. Because for some reason, you wish to ignore the authoritarian nature and practice of the CPC’s system.

As for China being murderous, we’ll agree that they haven’t invaded, bombed, and sanctioned countries for commercial corporate interests, for Israeli interests, for natural resources, for military manufacturer profits — or whatever the Hell illegitimate nondefensive factors have been motivating the US war machine.

It’s undisputed, however, that the CPC forced women to murder their babies in large numbers as needed to achieve their population policy.

So yes, both china and the US are authoritarian and murderous, but the US military body count abroad is vast while the PRC’s is not.

The “openness” you describe is just a pretense. Access is always restricted, and it all ends up being a tour through Potemkin village. Here’s a couple of related links:
Auditors to Stop Inspecting Factories in China’s Xinjiang Despite Forced-Labor Concerns (Sept, 2020)
https://archive.is/iBRRh
OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China (Aug 2022)
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/countries/2022-08-31/22-08-31-final-assesment.pdf

Very well said

Why the “bipartisan outrage” about how other people organize their societies?

Although privately I do feel outrage at how countries treat segments or even the entirety of their populations, I also acknowledge that such outrage when taken to the public sphere often materializes in measures which worsen the lives of the population of the target country. This is true for sanctions and even more true for wars. But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians. Wouldn’t that fall into the same category of interference into how “other people organize their societies”?

March 5, 2023 Why America Needs War, The Project of the New American Century (PNAC)

HOMELAND DEFENSE. America must defend its homeland. During the Cold War, nuclear deterrence was the key element in homeland defense; it remains essential. But the new century has brought with it new challenges. While reconfiguring its nuclear force, the United States also must counteract the effects of the proliferation of ballistic missiles and weapons of mass destruction that may soon allow lesser states to deter U.S. military action by threatening U.S. allies and the American homeland itself. Of all the new and current missions for U.S. armed forces, this must have priority.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-america-needs-war/5328631

The “openness” you describe is just a pretense. Access is always restricted, and it all ends up being a tour through Potemkin village.

Only the “Empire” and it’s lackeys complain and fabricates Xinjiang propaganda. Have any of the other countries which inspected Xinjiang file a negative report or questioned what they inspected? Answer is NO.

Your first link is typical Wall Street Journal junk…….just more propaganda.

Your second link confirms you are a liar with a forked tongue. You claim China does not allow inspections yet your own United Nations report dated August 31, 2022 shows otherwise.
As for this report, it reviews the “human rights” of convicted criminals, terrorists and people connected to extremist activities in China at “educational/vocational training camps”. How would a similar UN report fair if it was allowed to inspect and interview American criminals in prison facilities nationwide? What would UN inspectors find in Guantanamo Bay? Let me remind you that US & Western human rights violations are happening daily to ordinary law abiding citizens since 2020 (i.e. can’t leave your home or go to work without a unproven vaccine).

Anyway, the UN report is scattered with words like “alleged” and “estimate”. No surprise since the sample size was minute. For example, the report was conducted,

“in accordance with its standard practice and methodology, 40 in-depth interviews
with individuals with direct and first-hand knowledge of the situation in XUAR (24 women
and 16 men; 23 Uyghur, 16 ethnic Kazakh, 1 ethnic Kyrgyz). Twenty-six of the interviewees
stated they had been either detained or had worked in various facilities across XUAR since
2016. In each case, OHCHR assessed the reliability and credibility of these persons, the
veracity of the information conveyed, and its coherence with information obtained from other
sources. 12 Securing interviews posed significant challenges. Most of the interviews were
conducted remotely for COVID-related and/or security reasons”.

A more accurate portrayal of life can be gained by people born and living in Xinjiang:

I assumed this was going to be an anti-war article written by a Ron Paul type. Don’t get me wrong, I follow the Milton Friedman/Chicago school of economics, so I guess I might be called a Libertarian.

THE problem is that this article assumes that China does not want war and the USA maybe does. THAT is a simpletons analysis.

What if China actually wants a war and the USA doesn’t. Everything I read, mainly international, not USA news, leads me to that conclusion.

China now is like Japan, in lets say, 1938. I am personally convinced of that. I hope I’m wrong.

What say you Bras, I mean Glenn.

It must be because of weak personalities, or the desire to be a fanboy, or a mind that cannot hold two opposing thoughts in their head, but many of these posters are bizarrely enamored with a country that is just as brutal as the US Government.

Does that include my #32? If so, a couple more thoughts for you to try holding:

1. I’m not “bizarrely enamored with” the rulers of China. I’ve no informed opinion about them, one way or the other.

2. I do, however, have an informed opinion that the rulers of the USA have long distracted, divided & conquered most people in this country by demonizing and warmongering Uncle Sam’s targets
• “Remember the Maine!”
• Belgian babies on bayonets
• Gulf of Tonkin
• medical students in Grenada
• Taliban, then Saddam Hussein culpable for September 11, 2001
• Colin Powell’s vial lies to the UN General Assembly
• “Assad gasses his people!”
• Putin’s “unprovoked invasion”
and are likely doing so again with China.

People who can’t distinguish — or smear those who hold — these two positions are either cretinous or craven tools of the Establishment.

According to then below because china’;s holdings are not that impactful, at least not yet.

https://chinapower.csis.org/us-debt/

Overall, China has as much if not more to lose than the US. A fight over Taiwan would sweep other more important issues aside, even if China won.

ohh excuse the use of official sources.
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The real war with china is about US economic strength at home. Some can whine all they want about isolationism — we could use some isolationist tendencies — the the charge about being isolationist is incorrect —

We were more isolated from direct involvement in Europe and Asia, but the US was still engaged in trade in all of these areas. We were still being dragged into the affairs of Latin America.

I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:
UHRP Welcomes House Bill to Combat Forced Organ Harvesting
https://uhrp.org/statement/uhrp-welcomes-house-bill-to-combat-forced-organ-harvesting/

The irony about Taiwan is, the right wing party is more for “federal relations” than the liberal/left party.
I swear, China’s hangup about “saving face” is so ingrained, that they still are holding to the symbols of their disastrously revolutionary leader, and flag. If they could simply adopt the the symbols of the Republic of China, it would be such a rhetorical unveiling, even more people will not support a civil war. It would only work insofar, as Xi understands what was deadly about Mao’s China, and what was right about Taiwan.

I think I can get a vague notion of where your sympathies lie; a couple of more exchanges will perhaps turn my impressions into solid certainty. I take the opportunity to share this cogent article with you and others:

Exchanges not necessary. My sympathies lie in TRUTH. People like you with a “forked tongue” cannot understand such basic “human values”.

Pushing another “George Soros” funded fake news Organisation headquartered in Washington, DC. your lies and deceptions have been debunked thoroughly:

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/18/us-media-reports-chinese-genocide-relied-on-fraudulent-far-right-researcher/

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/10/17/uyghur-tribunal-us-government-china/

As Vladimir Putin told a Moscow audience a few years back: [apparently going off script] Believe it or not, the power that controls the West would sacrifice Israel itself to achieve its ends.

(((Whomever))) is directing and controlling the USSA is deliberately steering it to war and total destruction. (((Their))) entire existence depends on Russia and China not achieving dominance.

China needs to accept U.S. is a leader, Ambassador Burns says

My third and final point is one that has come into full view in the last few weeks — this is a time of genuine challenge in the bilateral relationship between the U.S. and China. President Biden’s strategy is clear — “invest, align, compete” in U.S.-China relations.

We are making major, indeed generational investments in our infrastructure and economy at home; we are strengthening our historic alliances with Japan, Australia, the Republic of Korea, the Philippines, and Thailand as well as with the creation of AUKUS and expanding cooperation in the Quad. The result is that the strategic position of the U.S. here in the Indo-Pacific has been strengthened immeasurably. We will also never shrink from competition with the PRC when that is necessary, as it often is in the security, economic, technology, and human rights realms.

We will protect our national security when it is undermined by PRC economic policies, just as other countries are doing. You have, for example, seen this in our strong export control actions against China in recent months in key technology areas. As Secretary of State Antony Blinken recently remarked, “there’s an intense competition that’s underway to shape what actually comes next,” and technology will play a key role in retooling our economies and will reshape the lives of people across the planet.

More broadly, we will continue to assert foundational American values, including with regard to the primacy of human rights in Xinjiang, Tibet, and Hong Kong. Let us remember that the rule of law, fair play, and human dignity and freedom are essential to a successful business climate. With that in mind, American firms must continue to abide by the strict requirements of the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.

As you can see from our policies and actions, we will continue to protect our national security in the U.S.-China relationship and maintain as large a lead as possible in critical technologies.

The U.S. has also been consistent in saying that we are ready to work with China when our interests coincide— such as on climate change, global health, the fight against illicit shipment of Fentanyl precursors and the devastating impact it has had across America, and food security.

Finally, the past two weeks have been particularly challenging for our relationship with China with the irresponsible and illegal PRC surveillance balloon and its open violation of U.S. sovereignty, territorial integrity, and international law.

As President Biden said in his State of the Union Address last week — let me quote him here: “we seek competition, not conflict. But I will make no apologies that we’re investing to make America stronger. Investing in American innovation, in industries that will define the future, that China intends to be dominating. Investing in our alliances and working with our allies to protect advanced technologies so they will not be used against us.”

“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.”

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=american+ambassador+lectures+china

Bars are to protect the housing occupants from typhoons in Formosa Island.

“Taiwan” Is China.

It’s like a daughter ‘taking over’ her bedroom while living in her parents house…and the idiot USians (redundant) believe that China is “invading”…

Cannot fix stupid: USians.

‘Xi Jinping considers’ Taiwan part of China. China ‘considers…’.
Isn’t that ‘Orwellian Newspeak’?
International Law ‘considers’ unambiguously that Taiwan IS part of China.

Resolution 2758 (XXVI). of the United Nations General Assembly:
”Restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China in the United Nations

The General Assembly,

Recalling the principles of the Charter of the United Nations,

Considering the restoration of the lawful rights of the People’s Republic of China is essential both for the protection of the Charter of the United Nations and for the cause that the United Nations must serve under the Charter,

Recognizing that the representatives of the Government of the People’s Republic of China are the ONLY lawful representatives of China to the United Nations and that the People’s Republic of China is one of the five permanent members of the Security Council,

Decides to restore all its rights to the People’s Republic of China and to recognize the representatives of its Government as the ONLY legitimate representatives of China to the United Nations, and to expel forthwith the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek from the place which they unlawfully occupy at the United Nations and in all the organizations related to it.

1976th plenary meeting,
25 October 1971.

United Nations reiterated [in August 2022] its support for the one-China principle, noting that it follows the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) Resolution 2758 of 1971, Stephane Dujarric, spokesperson for UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, stated on Tuesday, in response to U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s visit to China’s Taiwan region.
“The policy of the United Nations on this issue is that we are guided by General Assembly Resolution 2758 from 1971 on one-China,” Dujarric said.

No buts, no ifs. China won’t ‘invade’ Taiwan. It will only defend it against foreign aggression.

You see, the top-down position of the (((Leadership))) of the USSA is that China is a “threat” because of its growing economic dominance and GDP. That’s all that this is about. The USSA believes that China should not have primary influence in the Indo-China region, but that the USSA should, by the vector and weigh of “history”.

And the manic Proxy War against Russia is nothing more than having the ATM machine and milking cow Ukraine taken away from the same (((Parasites))). This is their Götterdämmerung, the vassal states of the West neutered, neutralized, anesthetized, immobilized.

The very continuance of the (((Parasites))) depends on vanquishing and shattering BOTH Russia and China. It’s a Zero Sum Game; one side has to win at the expense of the other. The World cannot contain or accommodate the Russia-China Axis AND the Rothchild Vampire Squids in co-existence and concurrence. Showdown at the OK Corral. Place your bets.

From Zelesnky’s speech:

I am initiating consultations in the framework of the Budapest Memorandum. The Minister of Foreign Affairs was commissioned to convene them. If they do not happen again or their results do not guarantee security for our country, Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt.

The Budapest Memorandum is the agreement that Ukraine gives up its nukes in exchange for western security guarantees. Zelesnky is saying, “If I am not armed to my satisfaction by the West, then I will pursue nukes.”

I won’t find Putin’s exact quote referencing this right now but his speech in linked too

Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, US Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said China’s navy has significant advantages over its US rival ……

“They use slave labor in building their ships, right – that’s not the way we should do business ever, but that’s what we’re up against so it does present a significant advantage,” he claimed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/asia/us-navy-chief-china-pla-advantages-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

It’s getting comical.

I haven’t cited any of the sources those two Grayzone articles mention. Of course I can’t vouch for the articles I have provided; I just thought they’d make for interesting reading, and you certainly haven’t debunked anything in them with your links.
It’s common knowledge that Xinjiang is an extremely important region for China strategically. So it does not make sense that the government would allow any dissident thinking in that area. That’s why I pay attention to the dissidents (which does not mean I believe them unconditionally) and not to the government.
As for George Soros, I have no idea what he funds; he gives his money to liberal and human rights entities with no strings attached.

In fact, most Chinese support the retaking of Taiwan. On the one hand, it is the national sentiment over the years. On the other hand, the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony. This is unacceptable considering the 200 years of animosity between China and Japan.
It’s like the Nazis trying to teach the Jews that the Holocaust didn’t exist, and even if it did, you’re subhuman and should be slaughtered like livestock.
But for all that, war is unlikely for a few years.
Although the current Taiwanese government seems to be riddled with hatred of China, the odd thing is that both sides share a huge share of exports and imports.

Nukes, at high noon.

The Chinese will not allow any alien forces to control them.They were humiliated by the U.S.,the Europeans and the Japanese in the previous 200 years and will not tolerate anyone lecturing or talking down to them.When
they do business with the Jews the Chinese will dictate the terms.

When Blinken recently warned the Chinese about supplying the Russians with weapons,Foreign Minister Wang Yi told Blinky to “put it where the moon don’t glow.”

There is nothing racist about it. Its all about jingoism. Non whites try to tie racism to everything. No one cares about skin color. NO ONE. Its all about behavior. Racism is a social construct used to disenfranchise white people. You come from a failed race and that is the only reason people do not like you.

This is exactly what is going very nicely put.

Just like many collapsed empires of the past, Washington will overextend the US’ capabilities at a time when its production base can no longer support its imperial ambitions.

Politically, the elites (like the Roman Patricians) are more interested in their own benefits than the larger polity and their extraction has outweighed the carrying capacity of their masses. The USA was never a democracy. Perhaps it was once a representative republic. Today, it can only be a classed as a kleptocratic-oligarchy. Do the voice of the citizen have any real say?

Although the “end of history” briefly made an appearance in the 90s, the US has not adjusted its hubris and thinks it can change the world in its image. Or more cynically, make everywhere a disaster so that no one can be strong enough to challenge the USA.

Economically, the patrimony of the past are being consumed without a thought for its sustainability (shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations – sounds about right for an empire’s 300 years). In the 60s, the US comprised 40% of the world’s GDP. As at 2021, it is 24.2% and dropping.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD

In addition, the Gini coefficient of the US (41.5) places it below Malaysia (41.1) and Iran (40.9)
(the higher the Gini coefficient, the greater the gap between the incomes of a country’s richest and poorest people.)
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=US&most_recent_value_desc=false
And the gap has been widening within the US:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219643/gini-coefficient-for-us-individuals-families-and-households/

Socially, has there ever been a more fragmented society like the US today with its forced diversity, gender dysmorphism, covert racial stratification, pedophilic tendencies and boundless permissiveness? It’s like Sodom and Gomorrah wrapped together. Sadly, given the dominance of the infomedia under a few hands, are there any independent voices? Looks to me like the demise has been scripted in from the beginning.

Technologically (and infrastructurally), if the US is unable to maintain its infrastructure (with 1,000s of train derailment and myriad failures
https://phys.org/news/2022-09-america-aging-infrastructure-sags-pressure.html),
how then can it boast and showcase itself to be a leader when it cannot even provide its citizens with the basic necessities.

So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.

In the end, the USA would spend much blood and treasure without anything to show for it, except for the benefit for a few.

United States is above the United Nations –EOS. All this nonsense about the UN –it is a puppet of DC.

As for George Soros, I have no idea what he funds; he gives his money to liberal and human rights entities with no strings attached.

A little history of Soros in China:

https://matthewehret.substack.com/p/how-china-banned-soros-in-1989-a?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Fgeorge%2520soros&utm_medium=reader2

video:

Video Link

They produce a “substantial portion” of our antibiotics.

An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.

Maybe somebody who knows more US history than me can say for certain whether or not we’ve ever had more stupid Official Government Policies than at the present time.

the current Democratic Progressive Party government is trying to culturally turn Taiwan into a Japanese colony

I noticed this same thing with the Hong Kong riots a few years ago. There was an attempt to tie Hong Kong to Japanese and Worst Korean cultural exports like anime and shitty dance pop music made by homosexual boy bands. This was a feature of the (obviously astroturfed by western intelligence) “milk tea alliance,” meant to signify a distinction between westernized “civilized” Asians and sinicized “barbarian” Asians.

No crumbling Empire that I am aware of facilitated a cult that denied the differences between male and female. That is an entirely unexplored land of insanity.

I can tell from your balderdash that you care VERY much about skin colour, but you deny it. What is your race, by the way? You are correct about my race, the human race, having failed-you are testament to that debacle.

Instead of engaging home invaders in gun battles they choose to prevent any would be burglar from entering with metal bars. Has the additional benefit of preventing dumb kids from killing themselves too. But of course this is incomprehensible to Whites and therefore unnatural and inferior.

I am so sick of these creatures.

The ‘dissidents’ in Xinjiang are a pack of murderous salafist butchers, on the US payroll, many of whom turned up in Syria, where they have gained a brutal reputation as truly psychopathic terrorists. Do you pay any attention to other jihadist child murderers?

Come on, Mulga. Do you not see that the denial of the differences between male and female is a (((critical))) tool to exacerbate and speed the crumbling?

Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees.

Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.

I am through arguing with dogbumbreath because he shared a video by deranged rightwinger Matthew Ehret. You seem to be better informed. Also, your nickname suggests you read novels, which is a good thing and something I should do.
So, I’ll just throw this up in the air to see if anyone picks it up: China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, perhaps through a lease contract. Iran is Muslim, so it would know how to deal with Muslims. After a period of evaluation, they would assess the experiment and possibly renew the lease.

Period. The end of logic that is.

While it might seem chivalrous to “stick up” for the little guy, ultimately it is “sticking your nose in someone else’s business.”

An internet search suggests that 80% of US prescription medications either come from China or are made of China-supplied ingredients.

There are a few things in the world that are hard to manufacture, have a very small profit margin, need highly skilled workers and require high precision and reliability.

Active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) is one of them. API is the base to all medicine. It has to be very high quality as it affects the efficacy and safety of medications. India is the world’s largest generic pharmaceutical manufacturer but it needs harder to make APIs from China.

Another example is REE(Rare Earth Elements). Hard to process, almost no profit margin, needs highly skilled worker and requires precision and reliability. It is not REE is very rare, it is the processing of it that is hard. China processes most of the world’s REE. Most REEs mined outside China are processed in China.

Semiconductor. Same with the above. Hard to make, very low profit margin, needs highly skilled workers, needs high precision and reliability for decent yield. Japan, Korea and Taiwan with access to high end DUV and EUV machines from Dutch’s ASML make all of the high end semiconductors used in phones and computers while China make most of the lower end semiconductors used in cars, appliances and other vehicles.

The US can have all the policies it wants but at the end of the day, you need a sizeable group of high IQ skilled workers, good work ethics, no expectations of profit and willing to absorb losses, lower wages and years of investments in R&D. Those are the barriers. Not US policies. India, with its lower wages tried, so far, only gimmicky “success” for show. Western Europe has all the skills, the money but couldn’t do it.

Conflating non-violent protest (BDS) with war is dishonest. Is that what you intended or just a temporary lapse in logic?

So dissidents in China good, but dissidents in USA bad. Your logic is illogical.

“Today, we’re in the strongest position in decades to compete with China or anyone else in the world. And I am committed to work with China where we can advance American interests and benefit the world. But make no mistake about it: As we made clear last week, if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country. And we did.”

Embarrassing. A psychotic break with Reality. Perhaps an MK Ultra unit subjected to the treatment.
Or just a happy, snappy, lappy, dappy prostitute. Anything for money.

So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.

Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/02/pentagon-orders-engine-vibration-fix-for-entire-f-35-fleet-worldwide/

There are 900 unresolved issues that are marked as design deficiencies on this hothouse flower.

So, the only tool left is the military and even then, with expensive boondoggles like the F35, it is looking increasingly fragile with a decaying economic-technological base.

Pentagon orders engine vibration fix for entire F-35 fleet worldwide

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2023/03/02/pentagon-orders-engine-vibration-fix-for-entire-f-35-fleet-worldwide/

There are 900 unresolved issues that are marked as design deficiencies on this hothouse flower.

An issue that risks damage to the F-35’s tail section if the aircraft needs to maintain supersonic speeds is not worth fixing and will instead be addressed by changing the operating parameters, the F-35 Joint Program Office told Defense News in a statement Friday.

The deficiency, first reported by Defense News in 2019, means that at extremely high altitudes, the U.S. Navy’s and Marine Corps’ versions of the F-35 jet can only fly at supersonic speeds for short bursts of time before there is a risk of structural damage and loss of stealth capability.

The problem may make it impossible for the Navy’s F-35C to conduct supersonic intercepts.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/

NATO keeps buying them by the dozen. Hmmm. No arm twisting here or “slip me a fin, eh?”
Does Rothchild, in his mansion, have a counter that lists the amount of money continuously rolling into his accounts?? Maybe several. If one of them is NATO Procurement, it must be among the fastest to increase.

Canada finalized a deal to buy 88 F-35 fighter jets from U.S. defense company Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT. N) on Monday in a C$19 billion ($14.2 billion) project to replace its aging fleet of fighter aircraft.

$100 million a copy. The most advanced Russian or Chinese equivalent or superior fighter aircraft cost 1/2 or less than that.

Germany clinches $8 billion purchase of 35 F-35 aircraft from the US

Finland finalized its $9.4 billion purchase of 64 Lockheed Martin F-35s and support services, signing a letter of offer and acceptance, announced Feb. 11, that calls for the jets to be delivered before the end of 2030

It should be re-designated as the R-35; R for Rothchild. Designed to suck the financial accounts of sucker countries that purchase a product that will guarantee constipation, hemorrhoids, and ulcers for decades to come.

I wonder if Rothchild et al. gets a bit bored at gouging, cheating, conning, and scamming the Goy and the rest of the World. He makes it seem so easy, and it seems that the victims keep asking for more. “One Nation under God, indivisible (except by the square root of imaginary numbers), with liberty and juices for all”

Here’s an interesting article:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/new-american-century/

Some basic facts have to be pointed out. Facts, which, if someone’s honest and willing to think, will show who wants war, and who doesn’t.

1) The United States spends a considerably larger fraction of its economy/GDP on it’s military than China. U.S. -> 3.1% t0 3.5% (depending on year). China -> 1.9% to 2.0%.

If you say, with those percentages, that America does not want war, LOGICALLY China wants war even less. They certainly aren’t tapping their absolutely colossal economy preparing for one. And make no mistake, they certainly COULD – but choose not to.

2) The United States has 100 major bases outside of our country, China has 1 major base in Africa. The U.S. has bases in Asia, practically encircling China, which is across the world’s largest ocean from us. China has no presence in the Americas.

3) China, until recently, CHOSE not to build even a crude early 2000s-style strategic nuclear arsenal, although they have long had the ability to do so.
A few thousand thermonuclear warheads and their associated missiles, even if less advanced than ours, would be more than sufficient to annihilate the entire northern hemisphere. Yet, China was not paranoid enough (until very recently) to even try to increase its arsenal. They’ve had the money, technology and industry to do it for 20 years. Think about that.

4) China does not care to export its system anywhere. It is not undermining “democracies” or pushing its values. Chinese do not care how anyone lives outside of China. In contrast, the collective West very much cares how people in the non-West live their lives, to the point of regime change, color revolutions, and a strange cultural agenda pushed everywhere.

I just cannot see where this MSM BS narrative that China wants war is coming from. Honestly, from where I’m standing, it’s the “Anglo-Empire” that wants war.

Washington wants war, but isn’t sure it can win. What the DC establishment can see, as anyone can, is that if they wait past 2027 or 2028, it’ll just be too late to stop China, and any war will be complete suicide. In fact, it’s probably already to late to go to war with China, but of course, the Neo-Cons can’t see that. They still think it’s 1945 or 1991.

The time frame of maximum danger is around 2027-2028.

Even the smaller amount of its economy China devotes to defense will then be too much to overcome, given China’s sheer industrial size vis-s-vis the U.S. (This is not Hollywood’s version of China, don’t get it twisted). Past that point, the Neo-Cons’ plans for aggressive war against China will be obvious insanity, which is why they feel they must strike now.

China, until recently, CHOSE not to build even a crude early 2000s-style strategic nuclear arsenal, although they have long had the ability to do so.
A few thousand thermonuclear warheads and their associated missiles, even if less advanced than ours, would be more than sufficient to annihilate the entire northern hemisphere. Yet, China was not paranoid enough (until very recently) to even try to increase its arsenal. They’ve had the money, technology and industry to do it for 20 years. Think about that.

Yup. “Until recently”. The Obama admin pretty much destroyed the trust China had with the US. After the 2008 financial crisis, Obama asked for help and in 2009, China pumped in hundreds of billions of cash into the US economy saving its banks from collapsing. Right after that, Obama started “Pivot to Asia” to contain China. This resulted in Xi Jinping being the President of China.

China maintained about 300-400 antiquated nuclear arsenals “until recently”. I believed China now has more than a thousand modern nuclear warheads with modern delivery systems. Like hypersonic missiles. China has been the leader of rocket technology for some time and most likely upgraded its ICBMs. The new strategic bomber H-20 is coming online. China new nuclear submarines are coming online. There is a reason why the US kept saying 2030 is the dateline to defeat China. It believes China will finalize the last two of its “Nuclear Triad” by 2030. Or is it? I think China’s current Nuclear Triad is already capable but by 2030 it will exceeds US’s.

And that’s not counting China’s space technology. Have you read that Chinese Space Cleaner satellites were moving around in orbit clearing space debris? https://www.dw.com/en/chinese-space-cleaner-spotted-grabbing-and-throwing-away-old-satellite/a-60658574. What about laser technology. China has been in the forefront of laser technology.

wrong premises, wrong conclusions, therefore yet another worthless UNZ article to waste time on.

2 top points the article opened with:

“XI considers Taiwan to be part of CHina”.
No. Taiwan IS part of China and USA has been agreeing to that fact for decades.

USA doesn’t want to “save Taiwan”
No. Thats the last thing USA thinks about. USA wants to cause problems to CHina using Taiwan, the exact same way US is using Ukraine to cause problems for RUssia.

Didnt waste time reading more.

See ya!

“XI considers Taiwan to be part of CHina”.
No. Taiwan IS part of China and USA has been agreeing to that fact for decades.

Taiwan if wants to be taken seriously should at least concede that it lost the civil war. Pay war reparations. Return all the treasury seized plus interest back to China. Concede areas such as Kinmen Island which is just 5 miles from mainland China. Sign a security treaty of not aligning with powers detrimental to the national security of China. Just like the Yoshida Doctrine signed by Japan and the US after US defeated Japan in 1945.

It can’t have its cake and eat it too. For decades it was the de facto Chinese government until the 1970s. Throughout the 80s and 90s it thought it still can force it way back to be the “real China” until mid 2000s it realized that China now is too big economically and militarily. Then all of a sudden it switched to “we always want to be independent”. Our sovereignty is being threatened by evil China. Our history belong with Japan….etc..

“People like you with a “forked tongue” cannot understand such basic “human values”.”

The commenter (Brás Cubas) does not even try to state (not to mention providing evidence of) what is the SPECIFIC crimes or wrong-doing that China has done/is doing in Xinjiang, but uses only vague ideas of “sensitive” “dissidents” complaints / dissatisfactions as talking points. The sneaky tactics put the burden on others to prove and provide info that there is no wrong-doings. This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see “evidence” of absence of wrong-doings.

He even suggests that China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, because….?? (China does not know how to treat minority?? Again, no reason needed for the suggestion.) It is hard for me to decide whether the person is silly, stupid or just evil.

I wouldn’t say ‘good’ or ‘bad’ regarding their being dissident per se, but as a source of information dissidents in an authoritarian country are a window into an otherwise windowless house. But dissidents anywhere have something useful to say, I think.

We get 80% of our medicine from the PRC and India. Both countries, Biden has pushed away from us. Imagine if you stop getting your medicine, all thanks to Biden.

No, I didn’t intend to conflate non-violent protest with war. Sorry if my comment gave that impression. I meant to conflate BDS with sanctions against other countries (Russia, for example). That being said, I could conflate giving weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah with giving weapons to Ukraine.

Sure, the problem of the Palestinians with their Jewish opressors is their problem and the problem of neighbouring countries harbouring millions of Palestinian refugees.

Your confining the problem to “neighbouring countries” seems a bit artificial to me. There are Palestinian refugees in many points in the Globe. And that is only your version for those neighboring countries’ possible motivation. Do the countries providing weapons to Hamas or Hezbollah cite refugees as their only justification?

Supporting BDS is a individual choice by people and companies, entirely different from States meddling to impose their views, ideologies, and interests on other peoples’ societies.

The State is to a certain measure a representative of the people’s choices. Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)

Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)

That’s irrelevant. The point is whether supporting BDS is the same as a State meddling in other people’s affairs. It is not, supporting BDS is an individual choice by people and companies in the same way as buying coffee that declares to be Fair Trade is an individual choice by people and companies.

So …

But I wonder why some people who oppose interference when it comes to China and Russia support BDS against Israel because of the cruel treatment of Palestinians.

… you can stop wondering.

He even suggests that China should cede Xinjiang to Iran, because….?? (China does not know how to treat minority?? Again, no reason needed for the suggestion.) It is hard for me to decide whether the person is silly, stupid or just evil.

When I was in Beijing in 2018, I was surprised that all subway stations had security like we see in airports. The last time I was there (10 years ago) I didn’t see any, especially 10 years ago it was the Beijing Olympics. Uyghur terrorists were causing havoc all over China. Those terrorists came back from the Middle East after ISIS lost. Most Uyghurs are normal people. Any “draconian” measures by China were targeting those extremists. And China followed Rand Corporation’s White Paper of Islamic Radical deradicalization.

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monographs/2010/RAND_MG1053.sum.pdf

Some facts. There are about 11 million Uyghurs in China with 26,000 mosques with more being built. There are about 4.5 million muslims in the US and there are 2,800 mosques. Most are hidden from the public.

Another example is REE(Rare Earth Elements). Hard to process, almost no profit margin, needs highly skilled worker and requires precision and reliability. It is not REE is very rare, it is the processing of it that is hard. China processes most of the world’s REE. Most REEs mined outside China are processed in China.

I have lots of cheap American REE stocks. Not because these company will make money but knowing the Biden administration, it will knee jerk into subsidizing these companies in the name of “National Security”. Instant $1 pink sheets to $30 a share.

Furthermore I am skeptical that a purely privately energized movement will get much momentum. (So far it hasn’t.)

That’s irrelevant.

That’s the kind of stance that would probably make Netanyahu very pleased.

You are like John Johnson. Empty calories.

Or all three, dan.

‘Dissidents’ in China are mostly agents of extremely hostile Western powers intent on destroying China. That is, traitors. Dissidents in the USA are-who? The MAGA menagerie?

Bras, Xinjiang has been part of China since the Han, two thousand years ago. The CPC treats minorities very well, because they KNOW that the Western Powers of Evil will use minorities to sow social division and bloodshed. The Uighurs in China do infinitely better than the Indigenous in Austfailia, Canada or the USA for example.

The Uighurs in China do infinitely better than the Indigenous in Austfailia, Canada or the USA for example.

I’m not sure about that. Perhaps you meant that all through history the Uyghurs have in average done better that the other ones. I could buy that, even though I don’t know anything about the Uyghurs’ past experiences. But the present situation seems to be the opposite.

What was the deal with China? Something like: We will move the entirety of the manufacturing base from the U.S. to China. Meanwhile we will ramp up the advertising for the goods you will manufacture cheaply and encourage an unsustainable mania for cheap goods in the U.S.

We will print money i.e. destroy the purchasing power of the dollar. We will raise taxes to fund the war making industries. We will skim off billions and invest it in China. We will encourage the consumption of drugs and alcohol. We will destroy decency and replace it with degeneracy. We will manipulate price of gold; suppressing its value. China will be able to buy the gold with all those American dollars.

When we have finished destroying America and the Goy, the people throughout the entire world will hate the Americans. At which point we will provoke a war or wars which will drain the U.S. economy. The young men will be incapable of independent thinking and will never suspect they are cannon fodder. Last you Chinese can load up a thousand boats and simply over-run the Americans.

The U.S. will then be no-more! 300,000,000 Chinese can move from China to New China. The Jews will move to Israel and to New Israel in what is now Ukraine.

The Rule of Law will serve to justify the process. Americans will passively accept to be more or less exterminated and enslaved.

That’s true. In fact, when Jewish attempts to split China were made in a pro-Japanese way, they already lost.
The Chinese hate the Japanese the most. There were more genocides in China from 1895-1945 than anywhere else in the world.
To this day, the Japanese still deny the genocide they perpetrated and still hold some of the territory they won through their war of aggression.
So normally, 50% of Chinese would suggest that if Japan invaded again, the whole island could be wiped clean with nuclear bombs.

The Rothchild’s motto would probably be “What’s wrong with getting more money?” (even it if comes from the blood and tears of others)

Well I see others responded to you…. But let’s look at real life examples. Portugal offered Macao residents citizenship so they could leave before the 1999 PRC takeover. Some left – many stayed. Macao is doing just fine. The Brits suddenly decided in the last 3 years to offer the same deal to Hong Kong people (30 years later) and out of the 5 million who are eligible – only about 150k left. Suddenly Hong Kong is peaceful again. So you could offer all the Taiwanese the same deal… Most would still stay. Either way – a civil war – is not the US business… And it was/is a civil war with no formal papers to signal the end of it. So lobby DC people to allow all the Taiwanese to leave to move to the US (or Japan). But there is no way Taiwan can be considered a country or will ever be allowed independence. There is waaayyyy too many implications for the PRC if they ever let Taiwan go.

The funniest thing about jokesters like you is that like the South China Sea claims – mandatory Mandarin language learning is something that was started by the Nationalist Chinese government that now rules on Taiwan. The Communist Party simply continued both policies when it won.

Removing separatists from territory recognized as yours by the majority of the world cannot be an invasion. It is called protecting sovereignty. It’s not Xi Jinping who thinks so… The UN says it is so. The One China policy kept the peace for 50 years… until some idiots wanted to use Taiwan as a way to weaken the PRC.

The funniest thing about jokesters like you is that like the South China Sea claims – mandatory Mandarin language learning is something that was started by the Nationalist Chinese government that now rules on Taiwan. The Communist Party simply continued both policies when it won.

Not to mention, long time Chinese residents of Taiwan who spoke Minnan(Fujianese) were treated like sh8T when the Nationalist moved in.

That’s one more irrelevant reply from you.

The CPC already said they will invade if Taiwan rescinds those claims. I read through this entire comment thread and I’m shocked that not a single person here does not realize that the KMT does not represent Taiwan. They and all of their descendants are considered immigrants to Taiwan and only make up one fifth of it’s population.

So there’s two types of posters here in this thread, the average American that knows nothing, and Chinese nationalists.

Taiwanese did NOT ever identify as citizens of the CPC. It was possible they identified as Chinese as part of the Qing dynasty if they were 1st generation immigrants 300+ years ago.

The CPC should apologize for letting the KMT escape to Taiwan and brutalize it’s people (look up white terror period) and say “oops our bad, our foreign policy toward you was made by dead people who cared too much about face”. And that should be it. No more conflict.

Right now what they are doing is a GIANT LARP. They have fake taiwanese representatives in the CPC government while Taiwan is already independent. What the CPC defines as independent is basically whatever they deem it to be.

“You must be a student, very young, or were stunted in overall personality development at some age, and experienced permanent stasis.”

You really ought to get out of the habit of making assumptions. Chances are that you will be wrong as you are in all of these.

“Nothing matters son, in macro terms, except money and power.”

And isn’t this exactly why we are where we are today? Because nothing matters except money and power?

You can’t beat something with nothing, which is what you have attempted to do.

They don’t make much sense to anyone who is determined to misunderstand them.

Yup. All those Muslim delegations (which doesn’t include Muslim tourists and business people who never stopped going to the region) looked and said “hey you send them to camps to learn skills to become productive members of society – we need to do this with our restive populations too”. And they of course noted the other 90 percent of Uighurs who lived just fine and normal lives. And of course they know the more populous Hui Muslims in China were living just fine all along in other regions – so they never bought the “Muslim oppression” garbage. They know it was “separatists suppression”. Muslim countries don’t like their own separatists either

Very refreshing to see someone who knows the truth. I wish someone was brave enough to say it on the front pages of western media. But yeah you could go on and on…. Noting how even the U.S. even contemplated just allowing the PLA to take Taiwan because they were disappointed in Chiang Kai Shek aka “cash my check”. It was only because Mao had the audacity (sarcasm) to tell the US to stay away from the Chinese border as the U.S. pushed up to the Yalu River – and with the US not heeding he sent the PLA to push the US back down to the 38th parallel – did the US fully decide to keep backing the Nationalists on Taiwan. Of course out of spite. Even putting nukes there. Yeah we could go on and on and on.

Yup and take the full national reserves of hundreds of millions (already ravaged by decades of wars and foreign incursion) to an island of perhaps 10 million. Leaving their former serfs to starve (of course the US embargoed grain to make it worse for the Mainland). It is western cognitive dissonance why the mainstream west why they don’t get why the people at the time supported Mao (irrespective of his later mistakes). They don’t get it was a popular movement of the day. Chiang was no Sun Yat Sen

Unilateral, initiatory aggression which seeks to gain control at someone else’s expense is never justified. It is only in self-defense that aggression can be morally employed. The question then changes. Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason? I submit that Taiwan is not an existential threat to mainland China and that there is no moral reason for the CCP (CPC) to threaten it on those grounds alone.

There is no reason for me to accept any absurd claims on the part of anyone, whether living or dead. Everyone alive today is living on property which was taken, at some point, by someone else. Theft is wrong, no matter when or how it occurs.

Majority opinion does not make a matter right.

By your reasoning, the American Revolution should never have happened. Britain was in the right to protect its sovereignty.

This is just a more sophisticated version of the idiotic demand by the author of this article (LIAM COSGROVE) to see “evidence” of absence of wrong-doings.

He’s Exceptionally! brainwashed, like 98% of the country. Mr. Cosgrove’s first comment at TUR was posted his other apparently well intentioned article last year:

The Republican Party is becoming more Libertarian everyday bitch!

But has he even hit 30? It takes some much longer to realize that faith in the Establishment is what secures it. And most never do.

Taiwanese did NOT ever identify as citizens of the CPC. It was possible they identified as Chinese as part of the Qing dynasty if they were 1st generation immigrants 300+ years ago.

Those Taiwanese you are talking about are Fujianese. They move back and forth between Fujian and Taiwan. Most have relatives across the straits. I happen to speak Fujianese among other languages. Ethnic Chinese all over including in Southeast Asia identify as Chinese. When a Chinese person identify as a Chinese, they meant civilizational and cultural China. The CPC is just a temporary government in the long scheme of things. No civilizational Chinese would allow either the CPC or the US to destroy their own brothers and sisters in Taiwan or China. But when it comes to root out the running dogs in Taiwan, its another story. As of now, the achievements by the CPC is very remarkable and unprecedented, so I guess it has the “mandate of heaven” from all Civilization Chinese. Any attack on the progress and prosperity of China is seen as an attack on Chinese people in general.

Does China seek to take over Taiwan out of self-defense or is it for some other reason?

For one, it is an unfinished civil war. Go read some history about the war between the Nationalists and the CPC.

More importantly, from a geo-military stance, Taiwan is one of the island in the first island chain blocking China’s ability to project and defend itself . As of now, China is boxed in with US bases encircling China from Japan all the way to the Philippines. Any military excursion a few kilometers out of its coast, China is accused of being “provocative”. Just imagine if that happens to the US off the coast of California. The US can at anytime block China from getting resources from other countries. China tried to find alternatives including the Belt and Road Initiatives to Eurasia. So, China is not the aggressor, the US is. Most Taiwanese are OK with China. Many ethnic Chinese outside China like the Taiwanese are OK with China. Many are not OK with the current XI Jinping administration for reasons not related to the US. But that’s an internal matter which the US has no business to stir up fights between brothers and sisters.

Taiwan was never and independent “country”. In fact the only time someone tried to found a “Republic of Formosa (Taiwan)” it was CHINESE LOYALISTS who were mad the emperor ceded the island to the Japanese. They tried to fight Japan on their own but were brutally put down. The people on the island then faced Japanese attempts to eradicate their Chinese nature. When Japan lost – Japan had to return the island back to China. That was in the Potsdam and Cairo Declarations. The fact the KMT lost to the CPC and had to retreat to the island to set up their government has absolutely nothing to do with the FACT that regardless of who was the government – Taiwan belonged to China. That is why by the 1970’s as others noted – the UN voted to rescind all rights from Taipei and convey all those rights to Beijing. Legality and feelings are not the same thing.
As to locals – it is only the separatists who pretend to care about what the KMT did back then to “the locals”. Stop the pretense. Meanwhile how ironic that in the cat and mouse game when the KMT went to Taiwan – the CPC in turn secured Hainan. Yet the supposedly oppressive commies let people like the Li alone…. The Li people to this day keep their way of life

The Brits ceded their former colonies. So not the same. In fact it would be as if the Brits were still hold up on Long Island and you expected the “Americans” to let them keep it. False equivalency. Especially since there was no legal grounds. If you really want to go back then the Brits nor the Americans have any claim to North America. See why going back that far makes no sense?

Xi Jinping will never be morally justified invading Taiwan except as a matter of self-defense.

Your statement is ignoring history. Mao provided, to defeated Chiang Kai-shek, temporary sanctuary on Taiwan instead of finishing him off. Think St. Helena punishment for Napoleon. He did not give Taiwan to greedy Washington. I thing he is morally justified, since the losing side unfortunately can never dictate the victor. On the other hand, I bet you never said London will never be morally justified invading Falklands.

Is this irrelevant too?
Israeli forces kill six in raid on West Bank refugee camp
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-clash-with-palestinians-flashpoint-west-bank-town-2023-03-07/

Yes.

He already fixed in his views. It is a waste of time and effort. He, like John Johnson are like empty calories. Nothing to contribute other than verbiage for the sake or verbiage.

History does not determine what is right and/or wrong. It only records the result.

On the other hand, you win the bet. I never said that about London, but that does not mean I am mistaken. I remember the Falkland war and, at the time, did not form any opinion about who was in the right. I also remember that it was big news when Argentina took out a British ship with a guided missile from many miles away. An Exocet missile, as I recall.

The British had their colonies taken away from them by a separatist force. The only reason for any “cession” on their part was that they were beaten. Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence.

It does not matter how far back you go, how legal you want to become, how well-intentioned your efforts are, how many people are on your side–taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong. Taiwan does not belong to Xi Jinping.

Interesting perspective and the map is good. Thank you.

Legality had nothing to do with it. The dispute was settled by brute force and violence….. taking something by force which does not belong to you is theft and it is morally wrong.

What an arrogant display of hypocrisy and double standard: if you win, violence is fine to settle the dispute, but if China wins, it is morally wrong. This is a perfect illustration of thinking from a country that write “all men are created equal” while kidnapping Black slaves across continents, the same country where millions of its people accept “we lie, we cheat, we steal” and still laughing. I should not be surprised.

If China is morally wrong to take Taiwan by force, than US is morally wrong to exist too (out of the many other reasons that it should not exist). Furthermore, what makes you the ultimate arbitrator of whether Taiwan belongs to China?

in other words… you have no understanding about anything… Taiwan does not belong to the DPP… they stole it… The poor aboriginal people who live in the hills for thousands of years are the owners…. So you should also pack up and go back to Europe. But even if that was the case – China would not allow Taiwan to be another Guam. Matter of fact when will the Americans leave Guam???? Stop being a hypocrite.. The act isn’t working too well.

‘Clash’. A new term for Israeli Death Forces’ murders. Religiously sanctified, too.

“Hypocrisy definition, a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.” — https://www.dictionary.com/browse/hypocrisy

“Double standard: a situation in which two people, groups, etc., are treated very differently from each other in a way that is unfair to one of them” — https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/double-standard

You have charged me with both of these and I will plead “Not guilty.” Where is your evidence? Bring it out so that this can be judged. If you can produce any statement of mine which is shown to be hypocritical or unfair, then I will admit wrongdoing and make amends. If you can’t, then I will be absolved.

Please produce facts. No presumptions, no insinuations. Just the cold, hard facts. I don’t think you can do it.

I am waiting. Put up or shut up.

See my reply to D Dan just above.

I am waiting. Put up or shut up.

“Where is your evidence?”

Already presented. Been there, done that.

Looks like you are not only an hypocrite, but also stupid.

Well, I guess I missed it. I apologize for not seeing it. Please point it out again.

BTW, Socrates is reputed to have said that, “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

It only gets worse–Ursula Von der Leyen is trying to up her standing to replace Jens Stolenberg as Boss Broad of NATO rather than Chrystia Freeland. Someone called the other night and Morticia was flattered thatthe caller stated Chrystia is more homely than Morticia and that Thing as higher IQ than Amtrak Joe and then this caller stated Justine Trudeau will meet with Joe Biden and the phone will then ring —and Zylenskyy will be on line and this trio will then belt out Hava Nagila !