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  1. Vioxx killed 500,000 Americans: a toll that could have been reduced by 90% had the FDA issued a timely warning.
  2. Pharmaceuticals, correctly and legally prescribed, kill 140,000 Americans each year, yet most people are unaware of their lethality and do not know how to a prevent being killed this way.
  3. Coronavirus deaths are few, its victims are elderly, and prevention is simple.
  4. Media report American flu deaths this season stand at 8200 so far, and that’s not newsworthy?
  5. 142,000 Americans died due to pharmaceutical drug use in 2016, but that’s not news, either
  6. But 100 Chinese–mostly born during WWII, malnourished and carrying a heavy disease burden–have died from a novel virus and that’s an epidemic?

This year marks the centenary of Spanish flu, the most deadly pandemic in human history. It is estimated that five hundred million people contracted it – a third of the global population in 1918 – and that between fifty and a hundred million of them died. Asians were thirty times more likely to die than Europeans.

Every year it kills hundreds of thousands of people on every inhabited continent while globally, many tens of millions catch the flu bug every year. All these many millions of infected people inoculate others at home, work, schools, places of worship, in travel and in every imaginable public place, spreading their viruses across the planet.

The strain involved in the last flu pandemic, the swine flu outbreak in 2009, was highly infectious, but milder than previous pandemic strains. Of the 61.7 million people living in the UK in 2009, 457 died from it – similar to the usual annual death toll for flu. The 1957 Asian flu and the 1968-69 Hong Kong flu pandemics were more serious; the death toll in each case was estimated at around a million worldwide.

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year while globally, tens of millions catch the flu. All these many millions of infected people inoculate others at home, work, schools, places of worship, in travel and in every imaginable public place, spreading their viruses across the planet.

The mortality rate of ‘severe’ flu infections worldwide is about 13%–about the same as for ‘severe Sars infections. The new virus may be considerably lower.

Western media condition us to a Pavlovian fear of China with maps like the above, while howling to get China’s flu declared an international health emergency and global pandemic but, so far, the WHO Declines to Declare China Virus Outbreak a Global Health Emergency. How could it, looking at the farcical map shown above?

China’s Public Health Service is probably the most efficient on earth, which is why Chinese children will live longer, healthier lives than their American contemporaries. But that’s not news, either.

Says Nature: The speed and openness of the scientific response to the coronavirus has been unprecedented. Ten days after it was first reported in people, scientists in China and Australia released the virus’s genetic sequence. Within hours, research labs worldwide were putting all hands on deck to understand the disease. “This is one of the first times we’re getting to see an outbreak of a new virus and have the scientific community sharing their data almost in real time,” says molecular biologist Michael Letko.

David Ho, the HIV/AIDS medical researcher, pointed out that as of late last week, the mortality rate appeared to be around 2.5 percent, which is “about 3-4-fold lower than SARS,” adding, “The deaths are occurring in people who are old or those with prior medical conditions. If we were to put the influenza figures next to this new CoV, the absolute case numbers and mortality rates would be much greater [for the regular flu]. But we are rather complacent with flu even though it is quite deadly to the very young, the elderly, and those with underlying medical problems.

No deaths have been reported outside of China, corroborating the relatively low mortality rate from official data in China. The

New York Times summarizes the latest international infection situation:

Thailand and Hong Kong have each reported eight cases of infection; the United States, Taiwan, Australia and Macau have five each; Singapore, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia each have reported four; France has three; Canada and Vietnam have two, and Nepal and Cambodia each have one.

THE DARK SIDE

  • Since the 20th century, the West has been and continues to be the most avid users of bioweapons. The United States is the biggest user of biochemical weapons in history, including in Cuba; Iraq, Syria and Iran (by proxy); Serbia, Japan, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, and America has eagerly used them on its own people, apparently more often than we care to admit.
  • In the 1940s the United States purposely infected thousands of Guatemala, natives with syphilis and gonorrhea, to test these human guinea pigs with antibiotics. Of course, these suffering souls were sexually active for the rest of their lives and unwittingly infected everybody they came in contact with, including spouses.
  • At Tuskegee, hundreds of American blacks were allowed to carry syphilis from the 1930s to the 1970s, to act as human petri dishes. This was to track the progress of the disease and observe the eventual macabre deaths that this bacteria is wont to inflict on its victims, in its final stages: insanity, nervous disorders, liver and heart disease.
  • The United States has a long, illustrious history of using bioterrorism around the world. Cuba has been a favorite target and has seen hundreds of thousands of its people infected with Dengue fever as well as its entire swine herd wiped out by swine fever.
  • T he United States of America holds the exclusive patent on the Ebola virus: US patent number 20120251502, is owned by the American government. Ebola has been Uncle Sam’s bioweapon plaything since 1976, when it was discovered in Zaire and shipped 3,500km by America’s bio-warfare lab at Fort Detrick, Maryland, then to West Africa for cultivation and development (via the UK’s bio-warfare labs in Porton Down and with the help of the World “Health” Organization), specifically, to Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, the current epicenters of the Ebola epidemic on the Great Continent.
  • The 2014 Ebola outbreak came as a result of another rogue US Military operation in austral Africa from which the Soros/Gates-funded Kenema bioweapons lab in Sierra Leone was involved.
  • The US has a long history of biowarfare against China. The Report of the International Scientific Commission for the Investigation of Facts Concerning Bacteriological Warfare in Korea and China (ISC report) validated claims by North Korea and China that the US had launched bacteriological warfare (biological warfare, BW) attacks against both troops and civilian targets in those two countries over a period of months in 1952. This 667 page truth commission report has the dubious distinction of being the most vilified written document of the 20th Century. The report’s release in September 1952 brought a withering international attack. It was roundly denounced by American and British politicians of the highest rank, ridiculed by four star generals, accused of fraud by celebrated pundits, misquoted by notable scientists, and scorned by a compliant Western press. In subsequent decades, volumes placed in American university library collections were quietly and permanently removed from circulation. When the rare copy came up for auction, it was discretely purchased and disappeared from public view.
  • In March 2019, in a mysterious event, a shipment of exceptionally virulent viruses from Canada’s NML biological labs ended up in China. Canadian officials say the shipment was part of its efforts to support public-health research worldwide. They claimed that it was just normal procedure. What is unclear is why it was done in secret, and why the Chinese officials lodged a complaint. For certain, if this was just a routine transfer, the Chinese government would have been notified. In July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML). The NML is Canada’s only level-4 facility and one of only a few in North America equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases, including Ebola, SARS, Coronavirus, etc.
  • On October 18th, 2019, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, in conjunction with the World Economic Forum assembled “15 leaders of business, government, and public health” to simulate a scenario in which a coronavirus pandemic was ravaging the planet. Major participants were American military leadership, and certain neocon political figures. The Chinese were not invited. The members took notes, and then returned to their day to day operations.
  • In Simulation Run 3 Months Ago, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Predicted Up To 65 Million Deaths Via Coronavirus.
  • 300 US military personnel arrived in Wuhan for the Military World Games on October 19. The first coronavirus case appeared two weeks later, on November 2. Coronavirus incubation period is 14 days.
  • Two months later a very similar coronavirus pandemic hit China at Wuhan, a major transport hub in Central China and for the high-speed train network, and with 60 air routes with direct flights to most of the world’s major cities, as well as more than 100 internal flights to major Chinese cities right at the Spring Festival travel rush when hundreds of millions of people travel across the country to be with their families.
  • The Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is an entirely new strain related to the MERS (MERS-CoV) and the SARS (SARS-CoV) viruses, though early evidence suggested that it was not dangerous. SARS was proven to be caused by a strain of the coronavirus, a large family of mostly harmless viruses also responsible for the common cold, but
  • SARS exhibited characteristics never before observed in any animal or human virus, did not by any means fully match the animal viruses mentioned above, and contained genetic material that still remains unidentified – similar to this new coronavirus in 2019.
  • SARS had the hallmarks of a bioweapon. After all, aren’t new biological warfare agents designed to produce a new disease with a new infectious agent? As in prior military experiments, all it might take … to spread SARS is an aerosol can . . .” Several Russian scientists suggested a link between SARS and biowarfare. Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs. According to a number of news reports, Kolesnikov claimed that the virus of atypical pneumonia (SARS) was a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which was impossible, that this mix could never appear in nature, stating, “This can be done only in a laboratory.” And Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, was quoted in the Gazeta daily as stating he believed SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it.”
  • Virologist Dr. Alan Cantwell wrote at the time that “the mysterious SARS virus is a new virus never before seen by virologists, “This is an entirely new illness with devastating effects on the immune system, and there is no known treatment.” Dr. Cantwell noted that the genetic engineering of coronaviruses has been occurring in both medical and military labs for decades. When he searched in PubMed for the phrase “coronavirus genetic engineering”, he was referred to 107 scientific experiments dating back to 1987. To quote Dr. Cantwell: “I quickly confirmed scientists have been genetically engineering animal and human coronaviruses to make disease-producing mutant and recombinant viruses for over a decade.”
  • The virus outbreak coincides with the trade war on China.
  • The virus outbreak coincides with the HK “pro democracy” riots fully funded and instigated by the NED / CIA.
  • The virus outbreak occurred just after Swine Flu decimated the Chinese pork industry.
  • The virus outbreak occurred just after Bird Flu decimated the Chinese chicken industry.
  • The virus outbreak occurred just before NED support and training of Uyghur Muslim extremists.
  • This month, CNN published a gleeful (and untrue) report, “China’s economy is slumping and the country is still suffering the effects of the trade war with America. An outbreak of a new and deadly virus is the last thing it needs.”
 
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  1. melpol says:

    There wouldn’t be much of an outcry from the American public if it was leaked that a Bio-Weapon was used to destroy China’s pork production. But if it was used to spread a deadly virus there would be a loud howl. There are enough conventional weapons in the US arsenal to defeat any enemy, there is no need to use the mass destruction of Bio-Weapons.

    • Disagree: Biff
  2. Blubb says:

    I don’t think a health service’s quality has much to do with differences in longevity. It’s mostly the quality of nutrition at a young age that lays the foundation for health and longevity throughout life.

    American food is crap.

    Chinese food, I got no clue. Rice, soy… Not really sold.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  3. lloyd says: • Website

    Panic is growing world wide. But as far as I can see, its no more than a virulent Winter flu strain. No one has actually died of it outside China. A statistical small event. New born babies, very old and sick don’t do much international travel. Having lived ten years in China, I can vouch that Chinese cities and their hospitals are habitually filthy. I have seen feces choking a lavatory in a public hospital which amused the hospital staff. In regions outside European and Japanese colonisation, the Chinese masses have no modern knowledge of hygiene. A child will piss in the street, and people will then tread in it. I suspect Wuhan in heartland China is about as backward by Chinese standards as you can get. Those new emergency hospitals are likely killing more than the virus. I once told a student that China will fall apart in 2022. Same year as Kissinger’s prediction of fall of Israel. She said that is not possible as most people are getting richer. Note her answer, Government in China is only legitimate if it improves people’s lives. The contagion of Hong Kong will spread to mainland should the Beijing Government start losing control. Ten of millions, unemployed and under employed, living as migrant workers, are just waiting for the opportunity.

  4. Leon says:

    A good list of the Dark Side but by no means all inclusive.

    • Replies: @SoItBegins
  5. Tusk says:

    Whataboutism: The post

    • LOL: Pop Warner
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Godfree Roberts
  6. utu says:
    @Tusk

    Godfree Robeterts must have been cloned from some Soviet propaganda apparatchiks.

    And you are lynching Negroes
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

    “And you are lynching Negroes” (Russian: “А у вас негров линчуют”, A u vas negrov linchuyut) and the later “And you are hanging blacks” are catchphrases that describe or satirize Soviet propaganda’s response to American criticisms of its human rights violations.[1][2] Use of the phrases like these, exemplifying the tu quoque logical fallacy,[3][4] was an attempt to deflect criticism of the Soviet Union by referring to racial discrimination and lynching in the United States.[1][5]

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  7. Yee says:

    Appearently, health and life of Chinese people are more important than those of Americans…

    In China, 6000 medical staffs and supplies from other cities have arrived in Wuhan city to help the local hospitals. That’s more doctors and nurses than Coronavirus patients. So death should be fewer because patients would be receiving better care.

    And we’ve been given 1 more week for new year holidays and adviced to wear a mask if have to go out. That makes it 14 days of de facto home quarantine for the whole country. Experts expect the numbers will peak in 7-10 days and then fall quickly.

  8. JUSA says:

    Interesting. Although I curse the Chinese for their disgusting habit of eating wild animals and unsanitary wet markets, which should both be permanently banned, the thought has crossed my mind that this was something orchestrated by the CIA, yet another attempt to bring down Xi whom they fear is becoming too popular among the Chinese.

    But then this article from Zerohedge also sounds interesting. It does seem quite a coincidence that Wuhan just happens to be the home of Wuhan Institute of Virology with a specialist who studies bat viruses like coronavirus:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

    Per the NYT China has now accepted the offer of help from a team of international scientific researchers. Wonder what they’ll find.

    I do admire that they are building a 1,000 bed hospital in 10 days. I have a hard time seeing the US accomplishing such a feat.

  9. JUSA says:
    @lloyd

    I once told a student that China will fall apart in 2022.

    Looks like the CIA is working hard to make your prediction come true. Your tax dollar at work.

    the Chinese masses have no modern knowledge of hygiene.

    True that. Even in the West, the Chinatown in every major city is always filthy and decrepit. Chinese restaurants often have the dirtiest bathrooms. Combine their total lack of hygiene and disgusting eating habits like eating anything that moves, and love of foreign travel/immigration, these people will bring death upon the world. They already almost did once, with the black death.

  10. JUSA says:

    The world should ban all Chinese nationals from visiting for any purpose until they permanently ban all eating of wild animals, shut all their wet markets, and bring their hygienic standard to that of the West.

    • Replies: @Paul Vonharnish
  11. Biff says:

    This topic definitely brings out the paid trolls.

    • Replies: @Rubicon
  12. Thank you for injecting some sanity into this discussion.

    Here’s some more grist for the mill from Hong Kong.

    Pneumonia: “Pneumonia was the second leading cause of death in 2017. In 2017, the number of deaths were 8,032, accounting for 17.5% of all registered deaths.”

    SARS: “Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) reached Hong Kong in March 2003. From 11 March up to 6 June, a total of 1750 cases had been identified (Figure 1), and during the same period 286 people died of the disease.”

    In other words, more people in Hong Kong died of pneumonia in any given fortnight during 2017 than in the entire three months of the SARS Panic of 2003.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  13. This is a total distortion and inversion of what has actually happened.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/charles-lieber-harvard.html
    Charles Lieber has been arrested. He was paid by Wuhan University of Technology, to build a laboratory in Wuhan. $1.5million. He didn’t declare it to the Department of Defence. He didn’t declare it to the National Health Institute.

    https://archive.is/klSeX
    China’s first BSL-4 Lab was established in Wuhan in 2017. It was tasked to study the emergence of Zoonotic viruses – those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola.

    https://archive.is/wiQ08
    This was Lieber’s team. Full of Chinese who have obtained senior roles in the United States institutions. All are now under suspicion of being accessory to Federal crimes and sedition.

    http://archive.is/bZxZM
    https://harvardmagazine.com/2011/01/virus-sized-transistors
    Lieber is prolific in papers on nano/bio technology, cyborgs and neurology. Including and especially Nanoviruses and Nano-Virus transmittors.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23075143
    In 2013 a novel strain of Corona virus was found in the Middle East. Suspected origin was bats. This was sent to a Dutch lab. They sent it to the BSL-4 lab in Canada.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4214273/
    Researcher Xiangguo Qiu worked at this lab working on the Ebola vaccine.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/national-microbiology-lab-scientist-investigation-china-1.5307424
    During a 2 year period Qiu made multiple trips to China helping them design and train staff for a bio facility just like the one she worked at in Canada.

    http://issf.cas.cn/en/facilities-vie.jsp?id=ff8080814ff56599014ff59e677e003d
    This facility is located in Wuhan – 20 miles from the market the virus originated from. But the map marker server has now been removed by the CCP.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25059478/
    In March 2019 the deadly virus was shipped to samples – samples studied by Xiangguo Qui in 2013.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/16/chinese-researchers-stripped-security-clearance-canada-lab-deadly/
    In July 2019 Xiangguo Qiu, her husband, and Chinese research students were removed from the Canadian BSL-4 lab, access removed, and an investigation into ‘breached protocol’ was initiated.

    It’s amazing how Godfree has spun this to Baghdad Bob levels as somehow a plot against the CCP.

    Then you have Xing-Ye Gi, who has written numerous papers on SARS, ebola and coronavirus from the West and China – see Google Scholar.

    https://ww.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
    https://archive.is/JDbIg
    He co-authored a paper on manipulating a bat Coronavirus to infect humans, and succeeded.

    Gi works/worked in Wuhan, at the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Science, Wuhan, China.


    Michelle Malkin has covered the extent of J-i vis Chinese military operatives in the United States. Expect Twitter to remove that posting.

    https://syllabusx.com/
    Harvard Business Services recently established SyllabusX.Inc which is a Coronavirus conference.

    Chinese operatives in league with Jews in the Ivy League conducted ‘Gain-of-function’ research, which also could act as ‘Dual-use research’ with a weaponized purpose.

    The Wuhan facility supposedly BSL-4 level was completely unsuitable for such a safety designation.

    A weaponized agent unlawfully obtained by Chinese operatives in the United States escaped from their Wuhan facility, when it was intended to be deployed against western populations. That, subject to further research and collaboration with predominately Jewish academic networks in the United States and the West to target western genetic signatures exclusively.

    All of what you say could be true, and it is totally irrelevant to the course of this event.

    This was a Chinese operation conducted in conjunction with various parties committing treason in the West.

    The Chinese were unable to maintain the integrity of their facility, and their bio-weapon has dispersed amongst their Chinese population.

    https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china
    This event perfectly demonstrates the dangers of China’s integration of academia and military purposes and exploitation of western open society.

    It also demonstrates the degree of treason that is occurring in American institutions, subject to review.

    What makes more sense. Godfree’s series of Commie shilling circumstantial non-sequiturs , or the actual timeline that is subject to Federal investigation and proceedings right now? Americans are dying from this event.

    This is what has happened. This was not the United States of America.

    • Agree: SBaker
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    , @obwandiyag
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  14. Mortality from ordinary flu is 0.01% (1/10,000), though heavily loaded towards older people.

    Mortality from Corona is ~1% (we don’t really know, this is my estimate, but might be anywhere from 0.5%-5%). Like flu, heavily loaded towards the elderly.

    So they are not comparable in scale. It is very understandable to want to avoid experiencing the risk equivalent of ~100 flus, regardless of age.

    For comparison, if you spend your entire life (24/7, 365 days a year) flying on modern commercial airliners, you will have just a 0.1% chance of dying in a crash. Also quicker and less painful than dying from Corona.

    ***

    China’s response is nothing to emulate. Apart from the causes of Corona in the first place (lax safety standards, regardless if spread from a wet market or a lab), the early response (arresting people who reported it as rumor-mongers) was atrocious. Also many questionable decisions, such as banning private cars apart from taxis in Wuhan (risk of infection in taxis will be much higher for obvious reasons). Seems like the usual pattern of Communists not understanding things but issuing “strong” directives to appear competent and decisive. Overall, this affair has caused me to revise my opinion of the competence of the Chinese government downwards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Godfree Roberts writes:

    “On October 18th, 2019, the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, in conjunction with the World Economic Forum assembled “15 leaders of business, government, and public health” to simulate a scenario in which a coronavirus pandemic was ravaging the planet. Major participants were American military leadership, and certain neocon political figures. The Chinese were not invited.”

    This appears to be incorrect. Dr George F. Gao, head of China’s CDC was not only invited, but was openly listed as a major player at this conference, one of the very “15 leaders” cited by Mr Roberts (see here: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/players/index.html)

    That Dr. George F. Gao is the head of China’s CDC, and one of China’s top virologists, if not the top virologist, is found here, in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Gao

    Hope this helps sort a few matters out…….

    (Otherwise, I must say I enjoy your writings very much, Mr Roberts. Take this not as a criticism, but simply as an attempt to get the article as tight as possible, factually speaking. Your voice is greatly appreciated by many, including myself. Kindest regards.)

    MM

  16. The world economy is due to collapse thanks to years of rampant money printing and artificially low interest rates. The world leaders would love to see something like an epidemic that they can blame the economic collapse on.

  17. @lloyd

    In general hygiene standards there are lower but you can now watch videos of people pissing and defecating on the floors of US supermarkets, between the aisles. As PRC has been developing and the US has been going down, I don’t know what a comparison in public hygiene these days would show. A lot of disgusting things go on in USA: tent cities on the streets with no toilet and washing facilities, Up Your Alley homo street sex in public, bug chasers deliberately seeking out STDs, etc. – not too hygienic I’d say.

    • Replies: @Sunshine
  18. Anon[239] • Disclaimer says:

    A 3% death rate is what it seems to be so far, but if everyone in the world gets it, with 7.8 billion alive, that’s still 234 million dead. That’s about what the whole US population was in 1985. 3% of the current US population is around 10 million deaths. Since it’s targeting the elderly, that means out of our 65 million living Baby Boomers, about 2 million may die from it. Baby Boomers are mostly in their 60s and 70s nowadays. Densely populated areas, mainly big cities, will get hit hard, and our coastal regions have dense populations (stuffed with Democrats, I might add). Democrats, simply because of where they live, are in ‘harm’s way.’ They love those densely populated areas, and during an epidemic, that’s a bad idea.

    I just read a case history list from the dead patients from China. Most of them had diabetes. Poorly controlled Diabetes Type 2 causes immune system dysfunction, and slows the body’s response to viral infection. 29 million people in the US have diabetes, and supposedly another 8 million may have it but don’t know it. We’re going to be literally ‘thinned out’ after this epidemic hits. Our entire living population after it passes through will average less body fat.

    Yes, the people getting nailed by this disease are mostly going to be fat, elderly Democrats. That’s the way this illness transmits.

    • LOL: Alfred
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  19. Clem says:

    It’s a great article. But if in the greater scheme of things its comparatively a non-concern, how does one explain the extreme reaction of the Chinese themselves to it? Something just doesn’t ring true here.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  20. Alfred says:

    Maybe this explains why Trump seems so relaxed and complacent. It could be a warning to China that they have something worse in store. It is so difficult to think like a psychopath.

    I really get so sick of the adulation of Bill Gates and his “charities”. He pays some doctors to do “research” on the effectiveness of his anti-AIDS effort in India. Then they get it published in “The Lancet”. The whole thing could easily be totally fake and the $250m went for something else entirely.

    Absolutely everything is for sale in India – especially medical degrees. Plenty of these “doctors” end up working in Australia and their colleagues cover up their mistakes.

    Special Report: Why India’s medical schools are plagued with fraud (Reuters)

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  21. People who downplay this Virus by comparing this to past epidemics are clueless. No matter where the virus came from biolab or by the proximity and culture of these street animal markets. This is “Fat Tailed Event” because of the uncertainty of the probabilities. You cannot assume anything and the systems are not at zero state nor are they the same as in previous outbreaks of microbes. The probabilities projected are like “Game Theory Statistics” and have no validity for these types of environments.

    It’s like the hacker who has to only be right one time to break in out of thousand attempts to take down the system. There is also the population density compared to previous outbreaks. This is why immigration of any sort must be controlled and this will be a real problem in the future.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  22. lloyd says: • Website
    @JUSA

    That’s why Asians wear those ridiculous face masks during contagions. They think the infections spread through the air. No point trying to argue with them however on medical issues.

    • Replies: @BarryWorthington
  23. How about all you China bashers about hygiene live in INDIA! ALL major waterways are filthy and full of crap, they wash in them, drink them..no viruses in India..I wonder why. Cant be a hygiene problem can it Mr CIA. Yes partly agree some Chinese live in a mess. NO, I suspect and agree GR is correct this is a CIA bio hit job.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @KA
    , @Anon
  24. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    If you watch the entire 201 event the similarities are incredibly eerie.

    Under this simulation, a corona virus originating from bats breaks out of control and plagues the entire world. The event has it originating in Brazil, but soon it shifts to Wuhan, China.

    The series of videos show that this crisis which kills 65 million necessitates the concentration of power into a centralized authority. The UN. The world plunges into an economic depression.

    All of this happened a full month before the event in real life.

    If you think about it, this was the only hand the West could play to beat China. They could not use the military, they could not use a trade war, bio warfare was one of the only ways. Other countries are even boycotting Chinese goods.

    Here is a scientist in the west, Ralph Baric, who dealt with the Corona Virus. There is even a Chinese scientist that they can travel back to Wuhan.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/lab-made-coronavirus-triggers-debate-34502

    It is possible a weaponized version escaped a Chinese lab, but the West could have easily released the virus themselves in China and no one would know. To maximize damage it could have been released right before Chinese New Year.

  25. @Yee

    Capitalism dictates that huge numbers of Americans have essentially no access to health care, until they’re circling the drain.

    It took me well over $1000 out of my pocket and several thousand more from the hospital’s indigent fund, to get a $30 prescription to $3 worth of antibio’s for pneumonia about a year ago – I was getting more and more tired and always seemed to have this cough, and fevers, and finally went to the ER.

    Keep in mind there’s a few % street homeless in the US, most of whom can camouflage themselves as non-homeless, then 10%-15% living marginally, in converted garages and backyard sheds and so on, then a few more deciles living 2-3 to a room, and all are working whatever work they can, legal or not, with no health benefits.

    If you’re in the top half and have “health insurance”, then the deductible is several thousand dollars so you’re probably not going to drag yourself to the doctor until you’re good and sick, either. Plenty of time to infect others.

    In conclusion, Yes, Chinese lives are worth more than Americans’ and that’s saying something considering Chinese lives are fairly cheap.

    • Replies: @Medvedev
    , @Alden
  26. Godfree, far too much of the content of your article has been plagiarized word for word from this copyrighted article by Larry Romanoff.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    • Thanks: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @zhongguotong
    , @Alden
  27. Notice how this bio-weapon was deployed right as the CIA Hong Kong riots were starting to die down as well. The timing isn’t a coincidence.

    Overall, the situation is strikingly similar to how (((The West))) attacked Japan leading up to Pearl Harbor. Increasingly brutal tactics were used until Japan was forced to respond.

    So expect escalating draconian measures to be enacted against China in the coming months and years. This bio-weapon virus is just the prologue. The ultimate goal is to force China into “starting” a major war.

  28. MEH 0910 says:

  29. Ber says:

    More and more, it looks like a bio-weapon war is going on.

    Apparently SARS virus is for Hong Kong and Macao as the Special Adm.Regions is abbreviated as SARS. MERS for Middle East and now Wuhan or WARS (Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome) – interesting that for some reason the label WARS is not promoted.

  30. @JUSA

    Unless they’re using tents, we’re going to be reading about how the collapse of the hospital killed more people than coronavirus.
    I LOVE YOU, CORONA-CHAN!

  31. @Yee

    It is not so much the media’s concern for Chinese lives as it is a need for them to embarrass China somehow. They also focussed heavily on the Melamine milk scandal which resulted in 6 deaths and many more being hospitalised, but have not really covered the various pharmaceutical scandals in the US which have killed 1000s due to Big Pharma engaging in dodgy practices when it came to clinical trials.

    If this virus spreads around China, it will mostly kill old people and this will be both good and bad for China, bad in that lots of Chinese will die but good in that most of those that will die will be old unproductive.

    Overall I think there is an undue amount of attention being paid to this development.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
  32. The virus outbreak occurred just after Swine Flu decimated the Chinese pork industry.
    The virus outbreak occurred just after Bird Flu decimated the Chinese chicken industry.

    Lightening strikes three times in the same place?
    I think not.
    Biological warfare?
    Biological attack?
    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck……
    It appears that WW3 is to be fought, being fought?, by biological means.
    Lets trust the Chinese government refuses to retaliate or God save human kind.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  33. Jake says:

    Uncle Sam doing the most evil things he accuses others of doing? It’s inconceivable.

    Why? WASPs play much more fair than any people in history. That is beyond any halfway reasonable doubt.

    Of course, it might be American Jews doing all the dirty deeds.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  34. I was actually shocked to see the Washington Post actually applauded China for quickly mapping the genome of the disease and sharing it with the international community. I almost. Cant believe it and even the reader comments were positive. An absolute shock.

    But yes the hype is way overblown. I keep saying it – the fact is the flu is still very deadly. This virus is no more dangerous when you look at the numbers. The only difference is that it is a newly identified strain.

    As to germ warfare – no question dirty things happen… But I personally dont think that is the case here. Though i could be wrong. But point being – people disregard the bible – but it is the most practical book there is. Long before governmemt had disease prevention centers and microscopes – the bible gave the most practical advice to the people who choose to follow. Many adhere to these things and dont even know. Things such as removing defecation from popukations of people (yes it is in there). I love the Chinese culture – but there are some things that can be done to prevent certain outbreaks and new disease. Biblically teaching says to not eat certain categories of animals (which when you look are mostly predators or scavengers) while approving others (mainly grazers or birds that eat only insects). It also stated that its not good to eat animals you find dead or have an obvious injury. It also advises to drain alll the blood and to consume any – nor the fat. Its not just China – but you see these practices not happen in many rural places in the world. A lot of the diseases we get come from not adhering to those things. Even the government of China is blaming it on people who ate captured wild animals at a market. They have halted all trade in wild animals for consumption and many are calling for a permanent ban. I think that is a good idea. But if they implemented biblical practice in eating habits it would solve many issues. That also goes to much of “industrial farming” in the west with hormones and chemicals saturating everything.

    I agree with Mr Roberts on much – but not in this case. Though it is possible.. I tend to agree with those calling for bans on certain animals in the markets.

  35. @JUSA

    The CIA has been trying to take down the PRC since 1949.. A much weaker China has survived. Billions in US tax dollars wasted.

    The eating habits of many Chinese is not much different than many rural Americans who eat all kinds of animals that they shouldn’t. And Europeans were notorious for spreading disease wherever they went and killing millions… Just look at the history of the western hemisphere.
    Also the Black Death was from Central Asia – NOTChina. Get your facts straight. You gjys sound silly.

    I do agree that like Americans who eat alligators and raccoons and black bears – or even clams and mussels… Chinese do eat things they shouldn’t. That is something Hong Kong and Taiwan people cant look down on their mainland cousins about… They eat the same things.

  36. qca says:

    As of this moment Wuhan Airport is still operating. Some flights are canceled, but there are a lot of flights going out to China and other countries. That alone makes me think that the quarantine is somewhat of a hoax and this virus isn’t as bad as the media makes it out to be. Then there are the videos of chinese citizens collapsing in the streets. These videos are as old as image-boards and it’s close to impossible to know if these videos are legit or not related to the virus. The explosion in numbers in the last few days is meaningless because everyone that looked into it two weeks ago knew that the CCP was dishonest about the numbers. So it’s impossible to say if the numbers are growing as exponential as the official data suggests or if the CCP just decided to tell the truth.

    It’s obviously impossible to say if this is a media hoax or a big bio-weapon conspiracy intended to wipe out hundreds of millions, but right now i’m going with the hoax. If there was an actual quarantine, there would not be an operating airport with flights going to other continents.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  37. vot tak says:

    Very informative analysis from Roberts.

  38. Skeptikal says:
    @GodfreeChina

    https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china
    This event perfectly demonstrates the dangers of China’s integration of academia and military purposes and exploitation of western open society. ”

    You’re joking!
    It is hard to see how integration of academia and military [and “foreign policy”] purposes could be greater than they are at Harvard, MIT, and other top US universities.

  39. Anonymous[830] • Disclaimer says:

    An equal threat to the US as engineered human pandemics may be engineered crop and livestock pandemics positioned in our farming centers by Chinese or Israeli bio warfare specialists allowed unrestricted and basically unmonitored operational capabilities within the US, that would have the same effect even in the near term as nuking our cities.

    The coordinated stand down at the highest levels of our government just prior to and during 9/11, as well as the extraordinary efforts at concealing this act of war against America by the msm, make the threat of another devastating false flag scenario real enough. When the USDA briefed Congress on such an attack on our food chain in the aftermath of 9/11, apparently not one member of Congress could be bothered to show up.

  40. So our criminally insane deep state has killed off Chinese chickens and pigs, but now has its sights on old Chinamen? Dang they’re remarkably effective. How did our most diabolical get the Chinese to steal a virus in the first place? Not saying you are wrong. But what if this was all theater, and the Chinese were in cahoots with an international cabal of psychopaths intent on human suffering for fun and profits?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  41. Skeptikal says:
    @Alfred

    Me, too.
    Especially in the context of the ongoing MS forced upgrades and withdrawal of security to the weak (those who have Windows 7 Professional but are denied needed security updates, unlike larger users).

    Gates’s Microsoft practices extortion on its users.

    Imagine if Subaru or Toyota decided to trash your car because they wanted you to buy a new one.

    • Agree: Omegabooks
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  42. @EmilyEllen

    True… But last year this time a bird/swine flu also struck one statein India and killed a similar amount. If it weren’t for the Himalayas more deadly diseases would pass between China and India. Thats almost 40 percent of thr global population in a relatively small space.

    Honestly its not that rare. Even here – almost 10,000 have died just this flu season.

  43. Skeptikal says:
    @Showmethereal

    It might be better to eat a bat than to starve.
    The potential menu will expand with high population densities and inadequate sources of protein.
    In famine conditions, people will eat anything.

    BTW, locust swarms are currently occurring in Africa.

    Locusts are an excellent source of protein, minerals, fats, and other nutrients.

    Has anyone noticed any of our “green” NGOs looking at ways to exploit this great food source for humanity? By, for example, waging PR campaigns to make locusts palatable to protein-hungry USA-ians, Europeans, and others?

    And then figuring out ways to process and package the locusts so that the “Lo-Pro” (RM) doesn’t look like a locust?

  44. @JUSA

    America built the Empire State Building without an accident, under budget and in less than one year when prefabricated building parts weren’t in use.

    Do you think that “hospital” will stand up to the test of time in a hundred years? I don’t think so!

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  45. Yee says:

    Anatoly Karlin,

    “Overall, this affair has caused me to revise my opinion of the competence of the Chinese government downwards.”

    I’m quite sure the mayor of Wuhan has zero chance to lead the Chinese government in the future.

    Anyone who gets to lead Chinese government must start from the bottom with no screwups on their way up.

  46. Yee says:

    Anon[239],

    “A 3% death rate is what it seems to be so far, but if everyone in the world gets it, with 7.8 billion alive, that’s still 234 million dead. ”

    Yeah, if everyone in the world gets AIDS…

  47. Yee says:

    Really No Shit,

    “America built the Empire State Building
    ….
    Do you think that “hospital” will stand up to the test of time in a hundred years?”

    China built the Forbidden City 600 years ago. It’s still standing and making truckloads of money today.

    Do you think your “Empire State ” will stand up to the test of time in six hundred years?”

    That hospital will be dismantled after this thing is over, just like the one in Beijing after SARS.

  48. bjondo says:
    @Jake

    Uncle Sam// …it might be American Jews doing/(behind) all the dirty deeds.

    Uncle Sam in the past.
    Now Uncle/Rabbi Shlomo.

    5ds

  49. Medvedev says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    It took me well over $1000 out of my pocket and several thousand more from the hospital’s indigent fund, to get a $30 prescription to $3 worth of antibio’s for pneumonia about a year ago – I was getting more and more tired and always seemed to have this cough, and fevers, and finally went to the ER.

    And why so many people in the US end up in ER office?
    Because they don’t want to pay for 3-4 possible visits to a doctor’s office, where each office will cost $150-250 towards their deductible maximum (even if they have insurance). So, when people feel weak or mild conditions they postpone their visit to a doctor until they have severe conditions.

    • Replies: @Thim
  50. @qca

    Maybe it’s a real life bioterror emergency response exercise with release of a relatively mild viral strain to prepare PRC for real attacks by more deadly viruses in the future by the US and its terrorist proxies. No harm done (or not much harm done if it truly isn’t much deadlier than SARS) to fine tune the SOPs and biowarfare civil defence on a large scale.

    Or it’s truly a bioattack on PRC by the Great Satan and his Evil Empire:

    https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

    If so how will PRC respond? I’d prefer targetted assassinations of the guilty parties by covert teams (Triads perhaps) than by responding in kind and releasing deadly viruses, to spare we the public.

  51. If this really is an American-engineered virus deployed against China, then the US authorities already have the cure, will wait until China is devastated and things become utterly horrifying world-wide, and then suddenly come up with an ‘amazing’ breakthrough vaccine, save the world, make hundreds of billions for Pig Pharma insiders and Wall Street, all thereby showing how inept the Chinese government is and how super-duper incredibly awesome American neo-liberal ‘turbo-capitalism’ is.

    This will destroy China’s socialism in the process, and the disillusioned Chinese people will come begging for Western-style governance and neo-liberal reforms, the Chinese banks will then be plundered, their government’s foreign exchange reserves and gold supplies confiscated, all manufacturing outsourced, the people subdued, and all we will offer in return is an endless supply of pics of Kim Kardashian’s ass and unlimited GMO’d and pesticide-poisoned fast food, obesity, poverty, ignorance, opiates, identity politics, autism, and above all else, boundless love for zionism.

    In short, the Chinese people will get their wish: to be just like the Americans…..

    • LOL: niceland
    • Replies: @denk
  52. Yee says:

    Commentator Mike,

    “I’d prefer targetted assassinations of the guilty parties by covert teams (Triads perhaps) than by responding in kind and releasing deadly viruses, to spare we the public.”

    China won’t retaliate on civilians no matter what, because that’d leave a very dirty mark in history. History is important for us.

    However, military personnel is fair games. I wouldn’t be surprised if China had a hand in downing that CIA plane in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @anon
  53. @Ayatollah Smith

    Roberts is a PRC shill, no doubt, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  54. Leviticus 11

    44 For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 45 For I am the Lord who brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

    46 ‘This is the law of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’ ”

    • LOL: Alden
  55. @Skeptikal

    Locusts are an excellent source of protein, minerals, fats, and other nutrients.

    Locusts, a delicious kosher snack.

    Yummy!

  56. denk says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    This is one scenario floating in my mind,
    uncle sham the savior of the world from the filfty, inept chicoms.
    Xi and co know they have been screwed big time, but have no choice except swallow that bitter pill, thanking Trump for his kindness.
    China submit to the Washington concensus from then on.

    Worse still, the [[[sobs]]] conspire to implicate , or merely insinuate this is a Chinese or Chinese /Jew ploy,
    China become the international pariah , forget about making China great again.

    Chinese economy go belly up……
    Finally Gordon Chang can gloat about it,
    ‘See, I told you twenty years before’

    Chang’s buddy Pete Navarro also get his wet dream …slaying the dragon.

    Another peer competitor bites the dust,
    Pax murrikka reign supreme again.

  57. @Really No Shit

    Don’t interrupt the yellow worship, we want to keep the Chinese 105 IQ meme going.

  58. d dan says:

    It is hilarious to read so many instance “experts” talking about a disease that human first encountered. It is also hilarious to read so many “experts” and CIA agents talking about the “bad” aspects of Chinese culture, supposedly “only” unique to Chinese.

    The dark sides of Godfree’s article, however, are serious and ignored by most commenters. We know at least some of the items in the list are well known truth. US has a long history of interests and uses of bioweapons. It has used them more extensively than almost all nations since WW2. For example, we know MacArthur personally gave immunity to the Japanese Unit 731 biological research team in order to acquire knowledge of their research results. And there was also extensive use of agent orange and other chemical weapons in Vietnam and other parts of South East Asia.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  59. Sunshine says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This is because of all of the imported “diversity” in the US now. Any whites that do this, are mentally ill or on drugs. In the 50’s and 60’s, heck even into the early 00’s, this would have been unimaginable.

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
  60. Everyone who has eaten carrots has died or will die: Time to worry about carrots?

  61. @Skeptikal

    Yeah but there is no famine going on there. The Wuhan government shut down a particular market as the source. People go there and pay money for the animals. These are not people tryi g to stave off starvation.

    Nothing wrong with eating locusts… I have never heard of anyone catching disease either. A certain prophet in Judea was noted for eating locusts and honey.

  62. snag says:

    Cyclical an artificially created panic, (not the first and not the last one) to justify the existence of WHO (World Health Organisation) a bunch of parasitic freeloaders.

  63. Good to read what the insect hive mind behind the Red Chinese government wants us to know. If you can’t trust the propaganda from a murderous group of alien collectivists what can you trust?

  64. @GodfreeChina

    Looks like you had a c&p all ready to go there.

    Making your post all the more credible.

  65. Anonymous[599] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    More or less I disagree on ChiComs incompetence on handling this outbreak. You have to read up on the virologists and epidemiologists who handle these outbreaks all the time and see what they think. Not read blog posts that say China Bad to get your info.

    Most of what I read says that China handled the quarantine correctly and was transparent. You can site contrary information, but you have to take the whole picture in balance.

    Also, I’ve read on your blog posts and I think your methodology to calculate the relative risk is off. It is better to look at what actual epidemiologists are saying rather than to cobble up your own theories with no experience.

    I would follow this collection for more science based information.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/i/lists/1220869298631200769

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Astuteobservor II
  66. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    WaPo currently reports over 6000 cases.

    Mike Shedlock estimates the number of infections is growing 53% daily. Thus, if efforts at quarantine fail, 100 million could be infected within three weeks.

    So we should soon know whether this is a disaster that could kill millions and crash the world economy, or a story to be forgotten in a week.

  67. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    Apparently Asians are at greater risk from the virus, which would raise the probability of the US bioweapon hypothesis:

  68. Kali Ma says: • Website
    @lloyd

    Well I just went to Google maps and looked at all the images people posted there, and this is my report on Wuhan.

    1. Wuhan is literally spotlessly clean. Seriously. Streets have zero litter. Their sanitation service is perfect and must be massive because the city is HUGE.

    2. Wuhan seems to have the older city and the newer city. With a huge river and huge lakes and huge parks all over. It is a BEAUTIFUL city. The newer parts are artistic buildings, beautiful. The older parts are beautiful in areas, and simpler in others. But everywhere is clean, it all looks so nice with huge parks and open spaces. Nicer than any American city I’ve seen, and I’ve been to or seen most of the major cities.

    3. They have huge lakes full of pink lotus flowers, surrounded with beautiful parks and ancient Chinese temples and OMG, this city is NOICE.

    4. Wuhan is upscale and ancient at the same time. It is lush, huge, pretty, and spotlessly clean. Check it out on Google maps at http://shorturl.at/fhqEG

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @anon
  69. @JUSA

    Wet markets are more sanitary than your typical western supermarket because everything is done in the open…nothing is hidden. Would you rather eat a meal where the food is prepared in front of your eyes or food from a back room kitchen where you see nothing? Also, wet markets are the norm outside the Western world.

    The eating habits which you don’t approve is actually “nutritionally” far superior than what most Westerners eat. Pound for pound organ meats are superior to fruits, vegetables and muscle meat.

    Great article Godfree…

    • Replies: @JUSA
    , @Showmethereal
  70. Ram says:

    An excellent article clearly filling some knowledge holes in my brain.

    Bioterrorism is now a reality after we were presented with Chemical weapon terrorism, in Salisbury blamed on Russia.

  71. utu says:
    @Anonymous

    “to cobble up your own theories with no experience” – The wannabe syndrome.

  72. Thim says:
    @Medvedev

    Go to Mexico. You can get any antibiotics you want, at a good price

    • Replies: @in the middle
  73. You forgot to mention that they want millions, if not tens of millions, of Africans, subcontinentals and Muslims to start flooding in there following any such upheavals.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  74. Popeye says:
    @Anon

    Well we also have diabetic elderly repulicans and independents, some more deplorable than others…meself included…so it should just about average out. I think

  75. @Anonymous

    Wow, this was refreshing. For a guy who uses chicoms.

    You should create a anon handle and join this site.👍

  76. @Showmethereal

    The CIA has been trying to take down the PRC since 1949

    How? By sending all the American manufacturing and intellectual property to them?

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @denk
    , @Showmethereal
  77. @Tusk

    Whataboutism? This is a revelation of hypocrisy.

    We’re not in a court of law – we’re talking about an information war in which accusations are crafted to sway public opinion.

    We are in the court of public opinion and here it is relevant that the US accuses China of doing things without admitting that they do much worse.

    In this court it is relevant to point out when the accusing dirty pot is calling the accused kettle black. Not doing so is a diversion from actual relevant facts by changing the subject and pretending that the only subject is their crimes, not ours.

    For with what judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    • Agree: 2stateshmustate
    • Replies: @Tusk
  78. Popeye says:
    @Showmethereal

    Well up here in The primeval ghost ridden forests of northern Wisconsin we not only savor tasty raccoon stew but crow soup…skunk usually stewed…badger stew or soup… opossum hors d’oeuvre, and the occasional rattlesnake…cornsnake is also good plan fried in hot oil with wild ginger and pine mushrooms, and pretty meaty at seven foot

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Showmethereal
  79. Wow, not just one but FIVE examples of whataboutism from “Godfree” to open the article. You’re really raising the bar

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Parbes
  80. d dan says:
    @Just passing through

    “The CIA has been trying to take down the PRC since 1949”

    How? By sending all the American manufacturing and intellectual property to them?

    So sad that some Americans don’t even know what CIA has been doing in broad daylight for so long.

  81. @Commentator Mike

    That was in reply to Mustapha Mond comment #51.

  82. Sadly Mrs Duff who over at VT pushes the Vaccines are safe and cause no harm agenda is at it again with her I am right and everyone who does not agree with me is a Troll and must be silenced.
    Her pro vaccine articles are easy to refute using scientific peer reviewed papers but stubbornly she refuses to budge and carries on with her fear mongering articles.
    She is all over this latest psy-op scare story like a rash. I never believed that VT would block someone for having an opinion but I guess if the clear evidence is given then instead of refuting it then it is easier to silence one by blocking them as is happening on FB,Twitter, YouTube, Google etc.

    The Media Wants You To Panic Over The Coronavirus. Don’t Fall For It. Here Are The Real Facts. It is rather a surprise to learn that we are all going to die from a viral pandemic, considering that we have all already died from swine flu, bird flu, SARS, and that one time when four people had Ebola. Nonetheless, if media reports are to be believed, we are on the verge of yet another planet-wide outbreak. This time, the imaginary global destruction will happen courtesy of the coronavirus.

    Back in realityville, the coronavirus has infected 2,700 people, or about .00003% of the global population. Almost all of the cases are in China, where the death toll has reached 82. The majority of these deaths were people who had the misfortune of already being old and sick before they contracted the virus, compounded by the disadvantage of living with China’s “ailing” health care system. Outside of China, there have been around 50 cases, none of them fatal. So far, five people in the United States have been diagnosed and none have died. Of the approximately 327,000,000 people in the U.S., approximately 326,999,995 do not have the coronavirus. There is no good reason to think that the latter number will significantly shrink, as the infected people pose a “low risk” to the public, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2020/01/the-media-wants-you-to-panic-over.html?m=1

  83. Pft says:

    Good points by Godfree here. Dont always agree with him so this makes for a change.

    So according to this study

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/31607599/

    “Receipt of influenza vaccination was not associated with virus interference among our population. ….Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; …”

    So basically getting a flu shot increases susceptibility to corona virus infection. Hmmm. Yet CDC is recommending getting a flu shot as a response to coronavirus outbreak (of course flu is far more prevalent and CDC profits from flu shots since they hold patents related to flu vaccines and other vaccines as well)

    China this year ordered twice as much flu vaccine as last year to keep up with increased demand. One expects this means they gave out twice as many flu shots. I’d like to know the vaccination status of those confirmed coronavirus victims.

    Curiously although not being reported in MSM according to this earlier chinese report (in chinese) the median age of deaths from corona virus was about 75 with a few of the younger persons having other diseases

    http://www.nhc.gov.cn/yjb/s3578/202001/5d19a4f6d3154b9fae328918ed2e3c8a.shtml

    Don’t know if the median for the latter fatalities are still the same though. You would think this would be a key number that reporters would be all over. Perhaps I have missed it

    China as you know has an aging population which is creating a burden since they only had 1 child to rely on to support them in their old age, unlike in past generations where there was a larger family to support the elderly. Not saying there was any intent here though, but a pandemic that targets mostly elderly or sick people probably has a silver lining to technocrats.

  84. Muggles says:

    While “Godfree Roberts” is likely a paid Chinese propaganda artist (or collective, as I also suspect) there is nothing wrong with someone promoting mainland China and (now) blaming the US for everything wrong there at the moment. Unz is about free speech.

    Many Unz commentators are quick to pull the trigger on unproven theories about deliberate “bio-weapons” of various alleged origins. Some claim the Chinese did it accidentally. Too soon to tell but no evidence prior virus outbreaks were intentionally done by anyone. Of course lazy people prefer simplistic but imaginary “causes” for events rather than verifiable evidence. The Chinese State has given few reason to believe outright its claims about anything, but there is no reason to question everything that happens there.

    I believe the CCP relies mainly on the support of the Chinese people, so they have no reason to hide or lie here. But there is a general tendency for all governments to sugarcoat or minimize problems until they can’t. Still, crazy theories w/o facts do not increase our understanding.

    Mr. Roberts is wrong to start blaming the US. Others are wrong to blame the Chinese government. Lacking facts, blame is unwarranted. So far in China their actions have been aggressive. We will see if that is enough. I hope so. For them and everyone else.

  85. @Kali Ma

    Unfortunately the city was not the problem, it was the animal markets. Those kind of animal markets should have all been shut down after SARS. It would have not only reduced the chance of such outbreaks, it would have prevented animal cruelty also. That’s the biggest incompetency demonstrated by the local and central Chinese governments in my opinion.

    • Replies: @HammerJack
  86. @Popeye

    I guess hunting and consuming bush meat by yourself is OK, as long as it’s not endangered species. Once you start a commercial operation like those animal markets in China, especially if you start selling live animals, then it will cause all sorts of problems.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Popeye
  87. Alden says:
    @GodfreeChina

    Thank you for the information.

  88. Ber says:
    @Skeptikal

    Actually Bats are relatively clean creatures compared to most, as they live only on fruits.

    • Replies: @anon
  89. Smith says:

    Shoulda name this “article” Whatabout America: the post and save everyone’s time.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  90. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    UK, Germany, Canada, Russia, Mongolia, NK are among countries already shutting down flights from China and/or closing its borders with China, while the WH is still allowing all flights to come in at will. What are they waiting for? Until we turn into the next China?

    Of course, if you just stop all flights from China, the sneaky Chinese will just fly through another country to get in, so you’ll have to stop all flights from everywhere basically.

    I’m in favor of such a measure. Stop all international flights from coming into the US, period. Even when there’s no virus. Globalists are the virus. Globalization sucks.

  91. Alden says:
    @last straw

    The animals snakes bats and other critters eaten in a China aren’t wild animals. The Chinese would have hunted and eaten eaten to extinction real wild animals.

    Those animals and other critters sold in the markets are raised on farms. It’s cheaper and easier to keep them alive and clean up the manure than build an elaborate chain of air conditioned slaughter houses, refrigerator trucks and freight cars freezers and meat markets with freezers and refrigerators.

    Just wrangle some of your critters into your truck or hand cart or wheel barrow take them to your booth in the market kill and sell them. Those you don’t sell don’t need refrigeration just some food and water till you sell them.

    • Replies: @BarryWorthington
  92. @Clem

    Perhaps they remember the criticism they received over SARS?

    Even though SARS killed less than 1% of the number of Americans who dies from correctly prescribed and consumed pharmaceuticals in one year.

    And perhaps we’re getting a wildly exaggerated account of what’s happening there?

    Wuhan Expats Fed Up with Foreign Media Hype
    By Frank Hossack. Global Research, January 29, 2020

    Expats living in Wuhan are enraged by foreign media coverage of the 19-nCoV outbreak. Better placed and likely more informed than any journalist in a faraway land, most are full of praise for the authorities’ handling of the situation.

    Media the world over are publishing stories about the virus’ outbreak in Wuhan, much of them blaming the authorities in any way they can. They report containment of the virus to be the toughest challenge ever faced by the Chinese government. Last week, they would not have been able to tell you that Wuhan is a city, let alone in which country it is.

    The expats in Wuhan are taking an altogether different view. In a word, they are more pragmatic. In the Facebook group, Wuhan Expats, Chris Carr said:

    “Wuhan has 11 million people, which is around three times my country’s population. Odds of being involved in a road accident in Asia have always been much higher”.

    Many of the group’s members believe the authorities have been doing all they can. Afzaal Ahmed said, “One of my friend had fever he was afraid of getting virus; the blood tests were done without any cost and he was free to go because the reports were negative.

    “Even free masks were available in hospital. They were checking temperature in subway and in some streets to make sure that this should be controlled and in my university we were provided free food like bread, milk packs and water.”

    Daniel Pekárek sized up the opinion of many a Wuhan expat today. “Seeing the reactions from outside world, especially in western media, racist, political comments and so on is so disgusting, people should stop this.”

    • Replies: @anon
  93. Tusk says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The reason it is a whataboutism is because when discussing a virus in China your methods devolve to “look what the US has done!” in order to show superiority. It’s not a court of law yes, but you’re still making an argument and it still relies on the factors that make it true, valid, and compelling.

    You start your post, about the Coronavirus, talking about American pharmaceutical deaths, whataboutism, and you end it with a similar list of American crimes, whataboutism. Some things can be discussed in isolation, since the post is about the coronavirus and its effects, why does it immediately have to devolve into pure whataboutism, “don’t worry about this virus, because what about all this American unrelated stuff” which is why it is dumb. There’s a virus outbreak, people are worried, but you instantly go into defensive mode that China shouldn’t be blamed.

    You write:

    we’re talking about an information war in which accusations are crafted to sway public opinion.

    Okay, so you’ve totally revealed your hand here. There is a virus in China, it has spread around the world, people are worried about it becoming a severe issue, these are all facts which do not apply to any American/Chinese conflict that you’re so worried about. In fact most of the response has been severely understated as to not offend Chinese people, when factually they are those at risk and those people have to be wary of. So blinded by your defense of China you cannot separate the reality that Chinese people are the most risk averse without needing to defend China. This clearly is an information war, to you, as you have to constantly push the message.

    In this court it is relevant to point out when the accusing dirty pot is calling the accused kettle black.

    I have honestly read little American demonisation of China, and considering this has reached globally most response has been middling and hardly anyone trying to propagandise the situation anymore than the fact that this appears to have originated in CHINA, is carried largely by CHINESE people, and that these people may need to be quarantined. I certainly understand any fears considering it is very likely the Black Plague came from China, and similarly likely that the ‘Spanish’ flu may have originated there too, so being worried about a virus blowing up in China seems grounded in historical realities.

    Also evident is comment #15 by Mustapha Mond pointing out that your post is/was factually incorrect. Obviously it is important to you to win the information war by having China remain pristine in appearance instead of actually being the center of a disease outbreak, which in of itself isn’t even an issue, but your obsession with promoting China obviously makes you unable to accept this embarassing flaw on the Chinese image.

    But the point still stands, if you wanted to make a compelling argument that the disease is only small time and that China had good standards and was on top of it, it would have been better to discuss that instead of ‘what about America?’

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Alden
    , @denk
  94. @Old and grumpy

    It is–and has always been–about discrediting China/Russia/Venezuela/Cuba/etc.

    It’s propaganda aimed at us.

  95. @Smith

    You missed the point.

    There’s no equivocation. We have a long history of using biowarfare. China doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @nsa
  96. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kali Ma

    So, having never been to Wuhan we should take your word on the condition of the city. Are you friends with that fellow who was reporting on Syria from his flat in London?

  97. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ber

    From wikipedia:

    Different bat species have different diets, including insects, nectar, pollen, fruit and even vertebrates.

    Also:

    Bats are natural reservoirs for a large number of zoonotic pathogens,[172] including rabies, endemic in many bat populations,[173][174][175] histoplasmosis both directly and in guano,[176] Nipah and Hendra viruses,[177][178] and possibly the ebola virus.[179][180] Their high mobility, broad distribution, long life spans, substantial sympatry (range overlap) of species, and social behaviour make bats favourable hosts and vectors of disease. Compared to rodents, bats carry more zoonotic viruses per species, and each virus is shared with more species.[181] They seem to be highly resistant to many of the pathogens they carry, suggesting a degree of adaptation to their immune systems

    • Replies: @ben sampson
    , @Ber
  98. @lloyd

    Lloyd is a very common type in China – a clueless English teacher who’s been in the country for years yet failed to learn the language.

    He’s no doubt faring just the same as when he first arrived years ago – Chinese who moved to to the West at the same time as he did have no doubt already surpassed him in all meaningful metrics of accomplishment and success. That’s why guys like Lloyd are so bitter.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  99. @Alden

    > The Chinese would have hunted and eaten eaten to extinction real wild animals.

    So Aidan, are you telling me that there is not a single wild beast or game animal left in the whole of mainland China? Because this strikes me as being a somewhat moronic assertion.

    • Replies: @Alden
  100. @Tusk

    The article is about two things:

    1. The well-founded possibility of US involvement and

    2. Our media’s constant attempts to exaggerate the significance of minor events in China in order to denigrate the country.

    If you have honestly read little American demonisation of China it is because you believe our media’s counterfactual accounts of it, 99% of which are pernicious nonsense.

    • Replies: @Tusk
  101. ‘… But 100 Chinese–mostly born during WWII, malnourished and carrying a heavy disease burden–have died from a novel virus and that’s an epidemic?’

    The monsters. ‘Malnourished, carrying a heavy disease burden?’

    What sort of slave society is China running?

    Somehow, I don’t think that’s what you intended to suggest, Godfree.

    • Replies: @Alden
  102. @Godfree Roberts

    ‘You missed the point.

    There’s no equivocation. We have a long history of using biowarfare. China doesn’t.’

    It is possible they’ve been trying to catch up. That would explain the mistake.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  103. @last straw

    ‘I guess hunting and consuming bush meat by yourself is OK, as long as it’s not endangered species. Once you start a commercial operation like those animal markets in China, especially if you start selling live animals, then it will cause all sorts of problems.’

    This will be all the truer if it’s convenient to explain that it was the market that caused the problem.

    • Replies: @Alden
  104. Tusk says:
    @BarryWorthington

    Funny, most Chinese people I meet in the West are unable to get by in even very basic English. I mean I do sympathise with them, having to leave your home in order to make decent money, hard times really.

  105. @Sunshine

    What happens if Corona invades NYC and SF, only to completely obliterate the populations there…then what? How can we hold a fair election in Nov if so many democrats are gone.

    That would not be fair.

    • Agree: Popeye
  106. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5249a2.htm
    Case fatality was 9.6%.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK92458/
    “The WHO reported in May 2003 that death rates vary substantially by age:
    Less than 1 percent in persons 24 years or younger.
    Up to 6 percent in persons 25 to 44 years old.
    Up to 15 percent in persons 44 to 64 years old.
    Greater than 55 percent in persons aged 65 or older.”

    SARS was contained and only affected 29 people in the US – no fatalities. It was quite serious and we got lucky. I hope that , like you said, this is wildly exaggerated, but it may not be based on previous incidents, and SARS is a poor example of something that was exaggerated.

    If Daniel Pekárek keeps this up he might even be upgraded to a class A foreigner, it certainly wont hurt his social credit score. I hope they remember his social media contribution when visa renewal time comes about.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  107. @melpol

    I think you’re wrong about Americans not caring if it was disclosed that the US government used a bio-weapon against the Chinese pork industry.

    The reason is simple; the same kind of weapon will be used against us. That would certainly get American’s panties in a bunch.

    On top of which China is not our enemy.

    The only real enemy of Americans is in Washington DC and New York city.

    • Replies: @JUSA
  108. Alden says:
    @BarryWorthington

    Read what I wrote. The Chinese, like everybody else raise animals birds etc for meat on farms.

    For instance, there are wild turkeys in America. When only Indians lived here, there were enough wild turkeys for them to eat without exterminating them. Then the Europe’s d came and started raising turkeys on farms so the rising population would have enough to eat.

    Americans hunt and eat wild well, semi wild raccoons. If many Americans wanted to eat raccoon, we’d have to start raising them on farms.

    Chinese raise what we call wild animals on farms for human consumption. Bringing them alive to the nearest market is far cheaper and faster than an elaborate slaughter house trucking supermarket system. Selling them alive and then slaughtering them saves on air conditioning, freezing shipping and refrigeration.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Ber
  109. nsa says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “We have a long history of using biowarfare.”
    Where do you get the “WE” stuff? Reading too much Pat Buchanan? Did you or any of the commenters here hand out smallpox blankets to Indians, or dump swine flu retrovirus into Cuba? The use of the editorial “WE” implies Collective Guilt….a concept usually used by ideologues and propagandists like Buchanan to saddle the rest of us with the crimes and depredations of our vile pathetic rulers, duly selected….er elected or not.

    • Agree: Tusk
  110. @anon

    SARS is a poor example of something that was exaggerated?

    Western SARS coverage obliterated almost all world news for 13 weeks, despite the fact that three times more Hong Kongers died of common flu than SARS in that interval.

    • Replies: @anon
  111. denk says:
    @Just passing through

    This is a the latest update….

    1950 Korean war,
    1959 Tibet,
    1962 Indo./sino war,
    1965 INdon genocide,
    1989 TAM,
    1998 Indon pogrom,
    1999 BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo,
    2001 Hainan spy plane, Chinese pilot died.
    2003 SARS,
    2008 Tibet,
    2009 Xinjiang,
    2013 Bird flu, Asia pivot
    2014 Xinjiang, HK, Mh370
    2018 bird flu,
    2019 HK, Xinjiang, swine flu…
    2020 SARS Mk2

    What’d [[[they]]] think of next………?

    Hmm,
    The SCS is heating up again.

    The P8 spyplane based in Singapore has been very busy lately……

  112. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pop Warner

    All you have is herr durr “whataboutism?”

    They making an actual argument.

  113. Tusk says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Okay except your entire post is inconsistant with that message and doesn’t make a lot of sense. You say it’s a “minor events in China” but that doesn’t seem to even match up with the verifiable, official reactions. Why would China quarantine millions if it’s minor? Why build a new hospital?

    Two important things you say are “The mortality rate of ‘severe’ flu infections worldwide is about 13%–about the same as for ‘severe Sars infections” and “No deaths have been reported outside of China, corroborating the relatively low mortality rate from official data in China”. Okay, but looking at the numbers the deaths have increased roughly 7x (25 to 175) and reported cases 9x (800 to 7000). But lets say it takes one week from being infected to die, so those 150 people who have died in the past week should be counted in the previously reported infected number, not the current infected who may die in a week. So that’s 150/800 which is 18%.

    There’s now more cases of the virus than SARS cases according to the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/world/asia/coronavirus-china.html

    And you say that SARS had a 13% mortality rate, so considering this it makes a bit more of a “minor” issue. If it follows similar trends in growth, and expands internationally, which it has, people have every right to be worried about it spreading to them. So it isn’t ‘denigrating’ China to be worried about a potentially very infectious and deadly disease being spread from China. I’m not American either so my issue has nothing to do with that, but what I have an issue is is reading that 4 infected individuals from China were on a domestic flight of 200 people, spreading it to who knows how many people who are out now spreading it, and yet I shouldn’t be worried about it because it might “hurt the feelings of the Chinese people” so to speak.

    All I can see is a furious attempt to protect the image of China in the face of an outbreak which appears to have originated in China, and despite the “most efficient” health service on Earth has potentially spread a dangerous virus globally.

  114. JUSA says:
    @dogbumbreath

    You mean like this absolutely disgusting wet market here? And this isn’t even in China, this is in Indonesia, aren’t these people supposed to be Muslim? At 6:37, the guy said “everything on land can be eaten, except a train.” The scariest part was the bat eating, starting at 4:24. How are these people not getting Ebola, SARS, coronavirus etc.? Asians have absolutely the most disgusting eating habits.

    We need to keep all Asians from traveling to the US until they stop eating disgusting animals and bring their food and bathroom hygiene to Western standards.

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
    , @Alfred
  115. JUSA says:
    @2stateshmustate

    The only real enemy of Americans is in Washington DC and New York city.

    Also add: Hollywood, Silicon Valley, the media, academia, lawyers, liberal judges, LGBTQ degenerates, Zionists, neocons, progressives, liberals, globalists, antifa, SJWs, illegal immigrants, all criminals, anyone who is for more immigration and/or more wars(90% of congress critters).

  116. Alden says:
    @Tusk

    I agree. Roberts started with this outbreak of a new form of pneumonia in China. Then he goes into the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic.

    The rest of it is just America is bad America is bad America is bad. The pharmacy companies deliberately murder people with prescription Vicodin and antibiotics plus America has all sorts of deadly viruses in secret labs. America might have poisoned Wuhan. On and on Roberts goes.

    He’s a White hating liberal.

    Someone says
    “ my grandmother is in the hospital because 3 12 year old orcs knocked her down, she hit her head on the curb when they grabbed her purse”

    White hating liberal says

    “ but what about those poor babies Mike Brown and Trayvon Martin shot and killed by evil
    Whites for no reason”

    I spoke to the head of the N California DEA office Sunday. He told me that the Chinese are shipping massive amounts of fentanyl into America in shipping containers through the Port of Los Angeles.

    Fentanyl is an extremely strong knockout drug. The only use for it is to prep a patient for surgery. Patient is given a shot of fentanyl and passes out completely in less than a minute. Then the regular anesthesia is administered.

    The only place fentanyl should be in is the surgical centers of hospitals. The nurses who administer it are specially trained. Unlike other drugs, it should not be mixed in pain killers anti depressants or anything.

    But fentanyl is manufactured in great great quantities in China because it is cheap cheap cheap, especially in Chinese manufacturing conditions.

    China is also manufacturing counterfeit Vicodin antibiotics and other drugs. The processors of illegal drugs buy the cheap Chinese fentanyl and add them to the counterfeit drugs they sell.

    Result is much better of this opioid addiction and death by overdose is not by legally manufactured drugs in well regulated American pharmaceutical labs. Much of the overdoses are because of fentanyl in the illegally manufactured drugs.

    Fentanyl belongs locked in surgical centers. Nowhere else. But China manufactures it and sends it to America where the illegal drug manufacturers mix it with their other illegal drugs.

    Reason the subject came up is that there’ve been a lot of deaths by cocaine overdose in Oakland and the Bay Area. The cocaine that killed the victims was full of Chinese fentanyl.

    He told us that the opioid pain killer deaths are from counterfeit illegally manufactured Percocet Vicodin etc mixed with fentanyl. Not from the legal pharmaceutical companies who use DEA Health department and other approved ingredients.

    The illegal drug manufacturers are putting fentanyl in everything because its cheap. That illegal fentanyl isn’t stolen from locked and monitored hospital cabinets.

    It’s manufactured in China and sold to illegal drug and counterfeit manufacturers. Canada and Mexico have the same problem.

    That’s what the head of N California DEA told us Sunday

    That’s the head of the N California division of the DEA speaking.

  117. denk says:
    @Tusk

    Why do I believe Mh370 was a [[[fukus]]] caper ?

    By applying basic logic, as Sherlock Holmes would’v done ..

    Who’s has the motive ?
    Who benefits, cui bono ?
    Who has the means to do so ?
    Who has assaulted the victim many times before ,been intensifying the attacks lately ?

    All the answers point to the same [[[professional arsonist]]]

    Why do I believe this is another [[[fukus]]] caper, ?
    By applying the ‘four who principle‘,
    it all points to the same [[[suspect]]],
    This article bares the details.

    lets put it this way,
    I’d be damned if this isnt another big fuck you from the [[[usual suspects]]].

    Fuck your so-called ‘whataboutism’ ?

  118. denk says:
    @Tusk

    I once asked a poster…

    IN view of this history,
    https://www.unz.com/article/coronavirus-the-dark-side/#comment-3687355
    Why do at least 60% of murkkans believe China pose a threat to USA , is it something in their water ?’

    Your stupid reply,

    Why are murkkans obliged to love the Chinese ?

    Look kid,
    The Chinese dont need your love [SIC],
    All they ask to leave us alone. !

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Alden
  119. Tusk says:
    @Alden

    I can verify a similar situation. In the past I’ve worked on stopping organised crime syndicates, albeit on lower tier crimes not drug trafficking, and a large part of this was stopping Chinese retail theft. Chinese people would fly over for one or two weeks, paid for by the syndicate, and would go around stealing baby formula, vitamins, and other similar items en masse and then give them to ‘warehouses’ which would stock the stolen items up and ship them over to China in shipping containers full of stolen merchandise.

    It’s a good bit of profit if you don’t have to ever pay for the items you sell. I personally dealt with people who had just stolen $1k+ of merchandise who boldfaced lie and deny it. See the gig is to a few times a day go to local stores, steal the merchandise, drop it off, then move onto a new area and new stores. After stealing a decent amount of goods they get to fly on home. While I’m certain other races practice similar criminal activities, this is the most blatant one that I have ever seen and personally took part in. Luckily a lot of this was very clear and surveillance was often set up on these warhouses and the stock recovered and the people arrested, but you would find hundreds of thousands of dollars in stolen items there. So it certainly is a massive issue. The problem is, just like the ports, that you cannot police everywhere at once.

    People like to say that they are equally as polite, law abiding, and civil as the West, but I disagree with this. I don’t think they’re law abiding out of a conscientious method, but instead law abiding because they now they will be severely punished if they’re caught. Considering the severe punishments in Asian countries I can see why. But then of course they fly to the West to exploit our kind hearted tendencies and make as much money as possible, because they know punishment will be much easier.

    • Replies: @Alden
  120. @last straw

    But the Chinese (and the rest of the third world) don’t give a hoot about animal welfare.

    • Replies: @Amon
  121. @nsa

    I love that Deliberate Smallpox Blankets theory. Centuries before microbiological knowledge came about. Why didn’t the conquistadors cure cancer while they were at it?

    In a vaguely related story…

    “The students of ASU do not feel comfortable attending classes due to the outbreak of the Novel Coronavirus,” the petition, which had more than 21,000 signatures as of this writing, begins. “We do not want to risk our lives by attending class.”

    Three students — freshmen Taskina Bhuiyan, Syeda Zainab and Harshita Bellad — created the call to action, telling The State Press it was a “collective idea.”

    • Replies: @Alden
  122. Anonymous[866] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    There seem to be 2 points to this piece. One is to put the current outbreak in China in context by comparing it to various other events. Second, to propose the hypothesis of a US bioweapons attack.

    What exactly is wrong with making these 2 points? The vast majority of coverage in the mainstream media, and in most of the alternative media, is not going to be entertaining these sorts of points. The Unz Review is “An Alternative Media Selection” that strives to publish alternative views like the above article.

    In addition to mainstream media outlets, there are many conservative, patriotic websites and right wing white nationalist outlets that will not publish the kinds of points above. Why don’t you stick to sites that conform to your views? Why do you object to an alternative media outlet publishing alternative viewpoints?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  123. utu says:

    “A comparison between eight individual samples demonstrated that the Asian male one has an extremely large number of ACE2-expressing cells in the lung.”

    “We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area.”

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

    The sample of n=1. They do not say that Asians are much more susceptible to 2019-nCov than whites and Africans.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  124. Popeye says:
    @last straw

    Remember long time ago I was in New [email protected] canned rattlesnake. As I recall some meat was good like boiled chicken, and some muscular like chewy bubblegum. Also read about chili cook-off contests in Texas with rattlesnake..and recall article long time ago about armadillo cooking in Texas or Louisiana, can’t recall exactly where.

  125. anon[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    How many people were infected by the flu in HK in that interval? How many would have died if 9.6% of the cases were fatal? You can always look back with 20/20 hindsight and assert that SARS wasn’t a big deal. But try not to forget that it wasn’t a big deal because it was contained. If it wasn’t our lives would be very different right now.

    SARS was a very dangerous disease that could have easily killed millions. Keep in mind that over 50% of people over 65 that were treated died. It being dangerous was not an exaggeration.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  126. Tusk says:
    @denk

    I’m not American, and certainly not my reply, so your attempts at strawmanning me have no effect. Perhaps spend more time on English reading comprehension and learning to argue logically and we can go from there.

    • Replies: @denk
  127. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    The so called wild animals aren’t hunted. They’re raised on farms just like chickens turkeys ducks lamb pigs and steers

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  128. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    I can write anything I want until Ron UNZ decides to ban me.

    I’m not an American patriot and not a conservative. How dare you call me an American patriot or conservative.

    My comment about the fentanyl came straight from the head of the N California DEA office. He said it, not me.

    As far as this alleged epidemic, I don’t believe a word in the MSM about this alleged epidemic or anything.

    Why do you object to my repeating what the head of the N California DEA told me about the illegal Chinese fentanyl mixed with everything from illegal cocaine to counterfeit pain killers killing Americans?

    You’re a liberal aren’t you?

    UNZ is such fun. All you idiots who think you’re such intellectual well informed commenters. When in fact like you, many are idiots.

    And you’re a White hating liberal idiot who scolded me because I put on the internet what the DEA has known for years about overdose deaths from opioid overdoses.

    It’s not over dosed of opioids according to the DEA. It’s illegally manufactured counterfeit opioid meds poisoned with illegal Chinese fentanyl. Plus cocaine and other illegal drugs poisoned with smuggled in Chinese fentanyl.

    Where do idiots like you come from?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  129. denk says:
    @Tusk

    whether you’r murkkan or not doesnt detract from my argument.

    Logically

    LOL

    My two posts bares exactly your logical fallacies,

  130. @Muggles

    https://www.abc4.com/news/local-utah-state-news/unusual-and-tragic-two-students-at-utah-military-academy-die-of-the-flu-just-hours-apart/

    It’s already started in the United States. These 2 Utah cadets aged 13 and 16 died within hours of each other.

    “Both of those students did have positive testings for influenza,” Carter said. “However those strains were different strains identified in each of the cadets.”
    Nurse Carter said she’s never seen anything like it and her department is investigating.
    “It definitely seems like it’s a little bit of an unusual and tragic situation to have two students from the same school so close together,” she told ABC4 News.”

    Utah.

    Now Georgia.

    https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/deputy-dies-complications-flu-5-other-georgians-die-illness-one-week/SMW6EZZQSZE2XGYZ2PX5JRFOMU/

    [MORE]

    “Levett said, at first, Haynie, who beat cancer years ago, thought he had a simple cold. Then, that cold got worse.
    “We did not expect that this would become deadly,” Levett said.”

    This was a 27 year old white male, and 5 others, all who died in Jan 28, same as the two Utah cadets who died Jan 27.

    https://www.ktvu.com/news/38-year-old-santa-clara-man-dies-from-flu-complications’

    Arizona.

    “Members of the Lane Splitter Harley Davidson group in San Jose are coming to grips with the sudden death of 38-year-old Vince Harris.”

    “I saw him three weeks ago at our road captains meeting and he was healthy as a horse,” said Pursell. “He was joking around with everybody.

    Of course Atheist China would be the vehicle of the end of the world in revelations.

    The first horseman wears a crown. Pestilence is his name, and he bears a Crown (Corona).

    Pestilence. War. Famine. Death.

    Why does Pahom here or in Asia always have to try take yet another square feet of land? Why can’t man ever be satisfied? Why?

    May our Lady of Sorrows accompany us all and lead us with her by the hand away from this vale of tears

    The Chinese should know. It’s not just them losing loved ones.

    It’s us as well. And it’s barely started.

    Hubris. Sin. Fall.

    This could be it??? Maybe?

    Can we step back from the brink?

    China and the world have to work together to beat this virus.

    Nuclear fire won’t beat the virus, or defeat whatever conspiracy seeking communion with the machine created it and then sought to unleash it on everybody.

    Therefore, keep watch, for you do not know the day or the hour. Matthew 25:13

    God bless all forms of intelligence.

    The world demands the flesh, but it cannot have the soul.

    I’m going to post this, because what we need today is Truth. And it feels like time is running out. But hopefully not.

  131. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    So you think the USA created viruses and germs at Fort Detrick and smuggled it to the city of Wuhan and blew the airborne virus into the air to kill people?

    You do know Roberts is a paid propagandist for the government of China don’t you? Or don’t you? I suppose your naivety is because you don’t know for whom Roberts works, the PRC.

    Some idiots believe the mainstream media. Some idiots believe Chinese government employees like Roberts.

  132. @Alden

    ‘The so called wild animals aren’t hunted. They’re raised on farms just like chickens turkeys ducks lamb pigs and steers’

    That fits. China has way too many people for hunting for market to be feasible.

  133. Anonymous[416] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    The sample of n=1. They do not say that Asians are much more susceptible to 2019-nCov than whites and Africans.

    East Asians in general have greater ACE2 gene frequency. So that sample of n=1 would not be atypical.

    • Thanks: utu
  134. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    I didn’t object to your comment about fentanyl. I just skimmed the part on fentanyl because it was long and off-topic, and followed the on-topic beginning part of your comment. I objected to your insinuation that Roberts’ article was somehow illegitimate simply because it supplied some context and a hypothesis that you don’t favor.

    There have been many articles at The Unz Review on fentanyl and the opioids problem. Steve Sailer has blogged about it quite a few times as well:

    https://www.unz.com/?s=fentanyl&Action=Search&ptype=all

  135. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    I don’t care if Roberts is Xi Jinping himself. His identity has no bearing on the facts, circumstances, hypotheses, probabilities, etc.

    I don’t think the biowarfare hypothesis is implausible. I think it’s worth contemplating and discussing in a calm, rational manner. You seem to find the mere presentation of such a hypothesis to be objectionable, and you’re taking it very personally and emotionally against Roberts.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  136. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk

    You can’t correlate anything conclusive from the numbers at this point.

    You say 150/800 18%, and then you extrapolate the infection rate forward to millions and assume 18% will die.

    But there are so many variables that can affect these numbers. The early stage testing is limited by how many test kits they have and medical personnel to administer the tests.

    So it’s likely the initial pool of infected people was much greater but they hadn’t been tallied yet. Meanwhile the sickest people were in the hospital dying.

    The ratio could have been 150/2000 even in the early stages which is much less lethal.

  137. aspnaz says:

    China’s Public Health Service is probably the most efficient on earth, which is why Chinese children will live longer, healthier lives than their American contemporaries.

    Actually it is not and they don’t List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy. Whether they will in the future will depend on whether it pays.

  138. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    You should find yourself a safe space where you will feel less threatened against anti-white microaggressions.

    You still haven’t convincingly argued against the article in question. Just some anti-white crying and bringing up fentanyl which has nothing to do with the corona virus.

    • Replies: @Alden
  139. @nsa

    We are a democracy, yet we have voted in war criminals at every opportunity, we have.

  140. @Tusk

    All you can see is a furious attempt to protect the image of China in the face of an outbreak which appears to have originated in China?

    My point is that, far from originating in China, it probably originated in Ft. Mead.

  141. Alden says:
    @Tusk

    Are you ever in San Francisco? Glide memorial church is just west of downtown onEllis st I think. It’s a big social welfare church. Once a week they have a food bank giveaway. The lines go for miles and they have traffic directors and everything.

    You know all those Chinese asian convenience stores in America? Conservatives love them because the Chinese are such good capitalists and entrepreneurs.

    Well, all the poor pathetic Chinese elders stand in line every week to get a couple bags of free food and household supplies. Then they run to
    The waiting van or pick up truck. They dump
    The bags and get in line for more.

    The food and toothpaste soap etc is sold in the Asian convenience stores. If you buy some cookies in a convenience store and the package is a bit banged up that’s where the cookies came from, a food bank.

    In America, many convenience stores are run by Asian Armenian Persian Middle East N African immigrants. There a whole organized crime network of thieves who steal from the big drug stores and supermarkets and the things are sold in the immigrant convenience stores.

    It’s easy to make a profit if you pay half what the other stores pay for their stock.

    And conservatives love them because they are entrepreneurs.

  142. @Alden

    I don’t work for anyone.

    In fact, I haven’t worked for anyone but myself in 40 years.

    You belong to a large cohort of people who, when confronted with facts (or well-founded conjecture) about an official enemy country, assume and assert that whomever presents those facts must, a fortiori, be a member of the official enemy nation.

    That’s so illogical that I don’t think there’s even a category of logical fallacies that contains it. It’s just moronic.

    • Replies: @Alden
  143. Alden says:
    @Colin Wright

    Thinking of malnourished Chinese, what about my friend Xiabo? He’s only 5’3 130 pds tiny for a man. His Dad’s 5’8 Mom 5’4

    Bob was born in 1979. He’s so small because he was malnourished in infancy and childhood. In fact till he came to the US at age 11. His parents were accepted as refugees because they claim to be Catholics and that Tainemenn square whatever.

    Bob’s parents aren’t proles. They’re uni grads and considered middle class in China. Dad’s some kind of engineer:

    Why’s Bob so small? For the first 6 months of his life he had nothing but rice water and sugar. Some people like Americans cook rice one cup rice 2 cups water. The rice absorbs all the water.
    Poor people boil the rice in a big pot like we cook noodles. Instead of dumping the water they save it. When Bob was a baby his Mom had no
    Milk for him because of a lifetime of malnourishment. No one else had milk either so no chance of a wet nurse. No baby formula no sheep goat or cow milk.

    One thing all communist countries had was Cuban sugar. Cuba was a welfare dependency of Russia. Russia bought all the Cuban sugar. So sugar was cheap and everywhere in communist countries.

    So Bob lived on sugar and rice water till he was six months old. Then boiled till very soft and mixed with sugar puréed rice. Then rice and sugar.

    Bob’s just one person. He’s 6 inches shorter than his father because of lack of baby formula and Mother’s milk and goats 40 years ago in China.

    It’s not just the old folks born during WW2. Its 40 Year olds like Bob who were severely malnourished as babies and children

    Go ahead and quote statistics Mr Roberts and demo I believe Bob and his parents about the food situation 40 years ago.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  144. @JUSA

    You’re completely brainwashed by mainstream thinking and sensationalism and have zero capacity to think.

    We are talking about nutrient density and nothing beats animal organs. You don’t have to entertain the idea but I’m certain with your thinking you either already have or will have poor health.

    • LOL: Biff
  145. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t feel threatened by you or anyone, let alone Roberts the advertising company of China.

    You’re a White hating liberal. Go watch the impeachment so you can fulminate against all
    us racist White supremacist flyover country hillbillies and proles who elected Trump.

    Or meet up with your buddies in your anti fa cell. Go to a BLM demonstration Or email Ron and ask him to ban me, you pretentious pompous liberal. You’re new to the site, aren’t you?

    • Agree: Ber
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  146. Parbes says:
    @Pop Warner

    So the pointing out of shameless blatant U.S. hypocrisy is called “whataboutism” now?

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts, Ber
  147. denk says:

    Who’s been pushing a Global Chinese Exclusion Act on Chinese Companies, Chinese nationals, Chinese students, astronauts, on frivolous ‘security concern’ , so much so that even Chinese scientists were purged from US Cancer research centers ???
    How does cHINESE advance in Cancer medicine pose a threat to ‘[[[their]]] national securities‘ ??

    Who has been pushing the UN to sanction China for its so–called ‘gulags in Xinjiang’ ?

    Who imposed a decades old embargo on China since the 50’s , so draconian that even penicillin were on the forbidden list, were they trying to cull the Chinese people ?

    Who is pushing the WHO to declare China a pandemic risk , which’d requires quarantine, that would be the ultimate Chinese Exclusion Act, a wet dream of you know who ?

    Who had tried to push WHO to issue a Global lock down on China during the SAR’s attack, yes you heard me right, the SAR attack.

    China got away that time , before [[[they]]] succeeded to arm twist WHO to comply with the quarantine.

    China is racing again time.
    WHO’S under tremendous pressure from you know who.

    But [[[they]]] aint gonna wait for the Chinese…

    Who’s evacuating their nationals from Wuhan, trying to induce a international exodus from China, thus retching up the pressure on WHO to impose a quarantine ??

    All the answers point to the same [[[usual suspects]]] who did Mh370, Mh17 , amongst others.

  148. Guitp says:
    @melpol

    Could we conventional destroy China? We didn’t with Vietnam or any other recent war and China would be a real contender. Gloves off, probably but the cost would be huge and would set the u.s. back just like the Europeans set themselves back.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  149. Anon[170] • Disclaimer says:

    The bright side is that the whole world now knows that chinese are filthy bat-eating subhumans, and that’s a good thing. Thank you ‘Godfrey’.

  150. @Just passing through

    I thought you believed in “freedom” ”separation of powers”..??? US companies did that on their own free will.
    You might not have had a serious question – but I will give a serious answer. Chinese have always been great at building things at low cost. That’s why they were recruited to build the railroad to the western US. In fact they were so good – the Chinese Exclusion Act was enacted to stop them from migrating to the US to “steal all the jobs”. Sound familiar..? You know how many were lynched in the Wild West..? In any event – Nixon simply sought to exploit the divide with the Chinese and the Soviets – not to “make China great again”. That is balderdash to think he actually cares about Chinese people. The same way they want to play Vietnam and others against China now. But in any event – the plots never stopped – they just slowed down. Much to the chagrin of the government in Taipei – who still wanted a full court press. Don’t believe me… Read the book “China Hands” by one of the main ones who was tasked with bringing down the CCP. He makes no apologies. He even notes that many things he still couldn’t reveal (CIA gag order).

  151. @Popeye

    Didn’t know about crow or badger – but I believe you as I knew about the others. But yeah maybe you should school those “sophisticated city folk” who seem to have no clue about the rural and “back woods” parts of their own country.
    That said – I personally attempt to stick to a biblical diet.

  152. @Alden

    Your comment doesn’t make sense saying Mr Roberts is paid by the Chinese government – since the Chinese government says the virus happened because of the animals people were handling in the market. I believe germ warfare is absolutely a real thing. But I don’t think so in this case. I think the Wuhan government is Probably correct. The government believes that was what causes SARS too – and so now many in the government are calling for banning exotic animals in the markets. But that would prove your hypothesis wrong that Mr Roberts is being paid by the CCP. What would be the conspiracy then??

  153. MEH 0910 says:

    Fox Business:

    Coronavirus will help return jobs to North America: Wilbur Ross
    By Julia Limitone

    Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said Thursday the rapidly spreading coronavirus will bring jobs back to North America.

    Ross told FOX Business’ Maria Bartiromo that it gives businesses “another thing to consider” when they review their supply chain and it could help accelerate the return of some jobs to the U.S. and Mexico.

  154. @anon

    MERS had a much higher death rate than SARS. It is possible that is because healthcare in China was better than the Middle East… ?? But either way there are many very deadly diseases. The more sophisticated a society the more easy things can be contained. But there are always pathogens waiting in the wings to wipe out more life.

  155. @Tusk

    The only thing really remarkable about this is that it’s “new” in terms of humans contracting it. The death rate is not that severe. The WHO doesn’t play politics and that’s why there I no condemnation. As noted the speed the Chinese government mapped the genome and sent it to other countries was very quick.
    You quote The NY Times? Well they do play politics. But yeah so those numbers show the fatality rate is lower than SARS and much lower than MERS. I will go out on a limb to say that at least one person will die of the flu in the United States today. Are they spreading it all over the world..?? Well duh that is what happens. Or you believe diseases don’t start where people of European descent live? Newsflash. They can start anywhere and spread anywhere. If we are all still alive next year – I would be willing to guarantee thousands will die from the flu next year. Been that way for thousands of years.

  156. @JUSA

    “The world should ban all Chinese nationals from visiting for any purpose until they permanently ban all eating of wild animals, shut all their wet markets, and bring their hygienic standard to that of the West.”

    I totally agree. The Chinese foul just about everything they touch. Where did all the mega-tons of floating plastic in the Pacific ocean come from?

  157. This is outrageous. I made an earlier post (29.) that most of the content (all the useful content) of this article of Godfree’s, was plagiarised word for word from a published and copyrighted article by another author.

    And someone named zhongguotong replied (53.) to say, “. . . don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.”

    In other words, yes an American plagiarised an article but it was from a foreigner and the content was still useful, so no big deal.

    If a Chinese had published an article on this platform that was 80% plagiarized from a prominent writer , Ron Unz would ban him forever and the next 600 posts would be replete with invective towards the god-forsaken chi-coms who are filthy dogs and eat bats and piss in the streets and are low-trust and cheat on their entrance exams and who are going bankrupt anyway so who cares.

    And Godfree, where are you in all this, besides hiding quietly in the bushes? Would you like to be enough of a man to admit your ethical blunder and apologise for it? And this isn’t the first time. More than once, I’ve met my own writing on the internet with your name on it.

    Talk about hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  158. Mefobills says:
    @d dan

    The dark sides of Godfree’s article, however, are serious and ignored by most commenters.

    I’m noticing that too. I call it the “whistling past the graveyard syndrome.”

    It is easier to deny than to fess up to observable reality. People would prefer to keep on whistling.

    We are in a new type of war that is mostly informational, and includes intrigue like fomenting mass panic and uses media for propaganda. It includes things like fomenting coups e.g. Maidan and Hong Kong.

    When the war goes kinetic it uses paid for mercenary soldiers e.g. Isis, along with U.S. air force or some sort of western coalition air-cover, or no-fly zones. If it goes warm- kinetic it is done with drone attacks, snipers, or chemical/biological. It cannot go full hot- kinetic because of nuclear weapons.

    In other words, nuclear weapons are only useful up to a point. If you are a country like Russia or China, you need to keep OUT globalist institutions to protect yourself from this new type of warfare.

    False flags work because of the way human brains have evolved. Human brain myelin sheaths new information, and if emotion is involved, those neural pathways are sheathed even faster. If there is some sort of hysteria and emotion involved – like fear of death, the brain sheaths even faster.

    People whistling past the graveyard don’t want to got through the difficult process of rewiring their brains. To undo false information is very difficult, which is why average people today are un-moored.. adrift in a sea of falsehoods.

    To undo false information is much harder because the human brain has to undo previous myelinated connections and re-write new ones. Much harder means multiples on the order of 6x, which would require constant repetition of counter narrative (the truth), which media won’t do, because the media is owned.

    Weak humans cannot force their brain to rewrite, because … by definition, they are mentally weak. It is easier to make pretend, to keep on whistling, and go through the easy motions of life.

    Instead of constant truth repetition from Media we get FUD (Fear Uncertainty Disease) to keep you afraid, so our owners can fleece your pockets. FUD and latest generation warfare is not hot and kinetic like in the past, but objective is the same: Control and fleece the world. Any worldwide resources available to be monetized with new debt instruments is fair game.

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  159. @anon

    the only reservoir there are for Ebola are American bio labs!!

  160. @lloyd

    A child will piss in the street, and people will then tread in it.

    Normal urine is actually a sterile fluid and does not transmit disease. However nobody likes the smell of piss in the street.

  161. The suspicion is naturally there since US seemingly has a track record and ample incentive. Neocons have been arguing that the US must maintain its status as sole superpower and throw off any challengers. But there is much that needs to be further shown – the who, when, where, and how. If this epidemic goes on to kill thousands or possibly much more in China, even the CCP will have a hard time suppressing public clamor for a real in-depth investigation into all possible scenarios. But for the world’s sake, lets give US the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  162. @Anon

    You should reveal your nationality, so the Chinese would know where to aim their nukes when shit hits the fan.🤣

    • Replies: @anon
  163. @Thim

    Tim:

    You are correct, a visit to a doctor including medicines given, cost me 18 dollars. In the States, even with TRICARE, just the visit to a doctor, $30 dls. Sadly, most people are not able to make it to Mex. Whole communities of Americans live hear by, and I asked an elderly couple if they were going back to the States, and the lady responded: ‘you can’t pay me enough to go back are you out of your mind?” That was enough said.

  164. “China’s Public Health Service is probably the most efficient on earth.”

    HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!

  165. Anonymous[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Ok, then you are a racist who just hates China and will say anything to make them look bad.

    See how that works when you just want to label people?

    Quit being such an insufferable snowflake.

  166. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Much sloppy research and false information. From an old source of mine at the Patent Office: “es, you are correct, the application was abandoned and no patent issued. The invention looks to me a method of making a vaccine which could be both for treating and prevention. Natural “products” cannot be patented and it is not trivial to make an attenuated virus which is of course not found in nature and does not cause disease. There are cases of faulty vaccines being administered that did cause the disease it was intended to prevent in some cases but that shows how difficult this game is.

    What do you think of the conspiracy theories about coronavirus? Given the history of such viruses in China, I doubt this current breakout is related to anything military.”

    I found this with a thirty-second Google search. Much of the post is silly. How do you infect thousands of Guatemalans with syphilis and gonorrhea?With infected copulation squads? I doubt that clap is-infectious unless acquired through the genital tract. And so on. C’mon, gang. A little fact-checking? Some lsight attention to plausibility? The author left out that AIDS is a plot by whites to kill blacks and fluoridated water is a commie plot.

  167. More fantasy, poor fact checking, and error. There is no patent on Ebola and can’t be. From an old source of mine at the Patent Office:
    “Yes, you are correct, the application was abandoned and no patent issued. The invention looks to me a method of making a vaccine which could be both for treating and prevention. Natural “products” cannot be patented and it is not trivial to make an attenuated virus which is of course not found in nature and does not cause disease. There are cases of faulty vaccines being administered that did cause the disease it was intended to prevent in some cases but that shows how difficult this game is.
    What do you think of the conspiracy theories about coronavirus? Given the history of such viruses in China, I doubt this current breakout is related to anything military.”
    I found this with a thirty-second Google search.
    The post is full of such stuff. How do you infect “thousands of Guatemalans”with syphilis and gonorrhea? With squads of passionate CIA agents infected with these diseases? I think that clap is infectious only through the genital tract so that putting the bug in drinking water wouldn’t do it. On and on. And yes, I know that AIDS was invented by whites to kill blacks.
    C’mon, gang, how about a little fact-checking? A tiny bit of plausibility?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Showmethereal
  168. This coronavirus business is getting totally out of hand.

    Canada, with a population about the same as Shanghai, has so far this flu season had more than 20,000 confirmed cases, 2,200 hospitalisations, and 85 deaths, roughly the same as all of China with the new corona virus. Why isn’t everyone in Canada panicking? Why isn’t United Airlines cancelling all flights to Canada?

    For the US this flu season there have been 140,000 hospitalisations and about 8,500 deaths. Where is the panic? Why aren’t you shutting down cities and cancelling air travel? Instead, you deport Iranian grad students.

    In Hong Kong, as I believe someone has already mentioned, the flu kills more people every two weeks that did all of SARS. But for 6 coronavirus cases, they’re shutting down all flights and trains from the Mainland.

    I think the whole world is crazy.

    Why isn’t everybody accusing Canadians and Americans of eating wild bear, possum, skunk, snake, raccoon, crow, badger, LGHBQTs, neocons, and lots of other wild shit?

    JUSA (10.) said: “The world should ban all Chinese nationals from visiting for any purpose until they permanently ban all eating of wild animals, shut all their wet markets, and bring their hygienic standard to that of the West.”

    I agree. And the world should ban all Americans from visiting anywhere for any purpose until they permanently stop destroying nations, toppling governments, fostering regional wars and revolutions, reducing small countries to poverty and misery, sponsoring terrorism, interfering in elections, and illegally bullying and sanctioning everyone who won’t kiss their butts. To say nothing of bio-weapons. For the benefit of Paul Vonharnish (159.), it isn’t “The Chinese (who) foul just about everything they touch.”

    And was it Lloyd who said: “A child will piss in the street, and people will then tread in it.”? Anyone been to San Francisco lately?

    I didn’t know that “alternative media” was synonymous with “Let’s piss all over China.”

    • Replies: @KA
  169. denk says:

    WHO’s still holding out, no quarantine order for China….yet.
    Its non trivial , an economic nuke bomb,.

    The Chinese are reportedly making rapid progress ,

    ‘several drugs , including those foR HIV are showing good results, new cases are slowing down while patients who’r discharged are going up.

    Its looking promising but they dont have much time.

    [[[They]]] are getting restive,

    So WHO’s not playing ball yet, but whats the big deal. ?

    ‘We’d act multilaterally if we can, but unilaterally if we have to’

    [[[We]]] ‘d use UN’s fig leave if we can, but go it alone if we please’

    Who’s leading the [[[family]]] on evacuation from Wuhan. ?
    Who’r cutting off air links to China. ?

    China managed to escaped the noose during the SARS attack.
    [[[we]]] aint gonna make the same mistake now say the Don.

    ————-
    OMFG !
    Did you hear that, people are reportedly dying like flies from Utah to UKraine, Arizona………….

    The Chinese really dont’ve much time left.

    —————–
    Wow,
    scientists in Oz reportedly have made some kind of breakthru on the virus thingee.

    The USA is really in decline it’d seem, 😉

    [[[They]]] used to be the leading edge on high tech.
    One’d have expected some murkkan scientists claiming the credit. ?

    Come to think of it,
    during the search for Mh370, it’s also the Aussies running the show while uncle sham was nowhere to be seen, not even offering any clue inspite of its massive satellites networks , AWACS in the air and warships at sea and subs underneath, all bristling with state of art radars, sonas.

    Some people say the silence is deafening

    Turned out to be a while goose chase, leading to nowhere.

    Hard to imagine uncle the hyper active superpower would miss out on such event, unless of course he’s leading from behind.

    hehehehhe

  170. @Alden

    Why does not the DEA agents confiscate those shipments? Also, WHO is importing those shipments? A question no one asks. The importer should be held accountable big time.

    We all blame the shipper, but some how leave the receiver out. Also works for all the import garbage found in stores ‘made in china’ that as far a quality is concerned, leaves much to be desired. Unfortunately no many American made products remain in the shelves now a day…

    • Replies: @Alden
  171. aandrews says:

    Kathy Zhu Ate My Dog

    Edwin-Marcel Jenkins
    Slate
    January 30, 2020

    This article was originally published at Slate.com on January 27, 2020. It is reprinted here with permission of the author.

    I am a black man. I grew up in a rough part of Detroit and I worked my ass off to make a life for myself and get out of the hood. Thanks to affirmative action, after finishing high school with mediocre grades, I was able to get into a community college in the early 00s. After finishing my associates degree, I was given a diversity scholarship with a full ride at Michigan State University, where I studied computer engineering.

    I graduated with good grades in 2007, and thanks to affirmative action, I was able to land a job in Ann Arbor working in the IT department at a prominent American pharmaceutical company. By 2011, I was making enough that I was able to bring my elderly mother to Ann Arbor, where I could look after her. Shortly afterward, I got engaged to a beautiful Hispanic woman, with whom I now have two children.

    Life was good in Ann Arbor, and I felt like I was living the American Dream. In 2015, when the Black Lives Matter riots started, I looked down on the protesters. To me, these people were simply not willing to work hard and take advantage of all of the nation’s generous affirmative action programs.

    […]

    In fact, I lived most of my life believing that racism did not exist. I believed it was a spook, invented by the establishment to provide a boogieman for black people to blame all of their problems on. That is before I came face to face with real racism, when a group of female Chinese students moved in the house behind mine in the spring of 2019.

    […]

    Update: This article has now been removed from its original place of publication on Slate.com. Edwin-Marcel has told me that they did not inform them as to why they removed it, but thanked me for keeping it up here.

  172. Frederick V. Reed (170.) said:

    “How do you infect “thousands of Guatemalans” with syphilis and gonorrhea? With squads of passionate CIA agents infected with these diseases? I think that clap is infectious only through the genital tract . . .”

    Those facts are all true. The US military was looking for a way to weaponise venereal diseases. They paid unknowing prostitutes to insert and spread well a “biological cream” (containing live syphilis organisms) into their vaginas prior to every encounter, then the US State Department paved the way for the hookers to visit all the army bases and prisons in Guatemala. They did indeed infect thousands, then left them to die. Not the first time. Nor the last.

    Major Players in the Guatemala Syphillis “Experiment”

    •Dr. John C. Cutler and Eliese Cutler – Project Leaders in Guatemala Syphilis Study and project designer in Tuskgegee
    •Thomas Parran, Jr. – US Surgeon-General who oversaw both the Tuskegee and Guatemala syphilis experiments. the W.H.O., Rockefeller Foundation, Avalon (Mellon) Foundation, Mellon Trust.
    •Dr. Thomas Milton Rivers – Naval Medical Research Unit Two (NAMRU-2) – US military bio-weapons lab at Rockefeller University
    •Dr. John Mahoney
    •Dr. Sasha Levitan

    “C’mon, gang, how about a little fact-checking? A tiny bit of plausibility?”

    I mean no offense, but this time it is you who need to do some fact-checking. 🙂

  173. @Ayatollah Smith

    You mean your comment #26 not #29.

    I’ve read the globalresearch article earlier and I didn’t get the impression that GR plagiarised it. They both have the same map, but that may be from yet another source.

    Both articles deal with the same topic and are bound to contain the same information, as do many others on the Internet out now on this coronavirus pandemic, but I found the focus of Godfree’s article substantially different.

    Below is a comparison of some similar excerpts from Godfree’s article and

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    [MORE]

    Godfree

    Several Russian scientists suggested a link between SARS and biowarfare. Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs. According to a number of news reports, Kolesnikov claimed that the virus of atypical pneumonia (SARS) was a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which was impossible, that this mix could never appear in nature, stating, “This can be done only in a laboratory.” And Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, was quoted in the Gazeta daily as stating he believed SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it.”

    globalresearch

    Almost immediately upon receiving the genome sequence, several Russian scientists suggested a link between SARS and biowarfare. Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs. According to a number of news reports, Kolesnikov claimed that the virus of atypical pneumonia (SARS) was a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which was impossible, that this mix could never appear in nature, stating, “This can be done only in a laboratory.” (5) And Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, was quoted in the Gazeta daily as stating he believed SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it.”

    Both include substantial quotations from third parties.

    Godfree

    Virologist Dr. Alan Cantwell wrote at the time that “the mysterious SARS virus is a new virus never before seen by virologists, “This is an entirely new illness with devastating effects on the immune system, and there is no known treatment.” Dr. Cantwell noted that the genetic engineering of coronaviruses has been occurring in both medical and military labs for decades. When he searched in PubMed for the phrase “coronavirus genetic engineering”, he was referred to 107 scientific experiments dating back to 1987. To quote Dr. Cantwell: “I quickly confirmed scientists have been genetically engineering animal and human coronaviruses to make disease-producing mutant and recombinant viruses for over a decade.”

    globalresearch

    Virologist Dr. Alan Cantwell wrote at the time that “the mysterious SARS virus is a new virus never before seen by virologists. This is an entirely new illness with devastating effects on the immune system, and there is no known treatment.” Dr. Cantwell also noted that the genetic engineering of coronaviruses has been occurring in both medical and military labs for decades. He wrote that when he searched in PubMed for the phrase “coronavirus genetic engineering”, he was referred to 107 scientific experiments dating back to 1987. To quote Dr. Cantwell:

    “I quickly confirmed scientists have been genetically engineering animal and human coronaviruses to make disease-producing mutant and recombinant viruses for over a decade. ……”

    Both are actually quoting a third party and while Godfree may have cut and pasted this, I don’t think it’s substantial enough to constitute plagiarism.

    Godfree

    This month, CNN published a gleeful (and untrue) report, “China’s economy is slumping and the country is still suffering the effects of the trade war with America. An outbreak of a new and deadly virus is the last thing it needs.”

    globalresearch

    CNN published a report – a bit too gleefully, I thought – on the potential damage to China’s economy: (1) “China’s economy is slumping and the country is still suffering the effects of the trade war with America. An outbreak of a new and deadly virus is the last thing it needs. …..

    Again mostly quoting from a third source with Godfree rewording a sentence.

    Can you find any other identical sections in the two articles?

    I couldn’t find any other sections that could have been copied and pasted from the global research article, and even so these may have also been copied and pasted from yet another source, as you’ll find with the Internet that many are doing this and certainly more substantially than Godfree does. If you think that this may constitute plagiarism, a couple of identical sentences, refer to Ron first for his opinion before accusing one of the authors.

  174. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I stand corrected. You aren’t an employee of the Chinese government. You own your own advertising public relations business and the national and some local governments and industries of China are your clients.

    I don’t believe the msm about diseases. I don’t believe the American government smuggled some virus to Wuhan and purposely spread it.

    I don’t believe the Wuhan meat market was so filthy the disease began there. It could be after this new form of pneumonia began it contaminated the market. I have no problem with different races eating things supermarket Americans consider weird.

    Something on the internet this AM. The Chinese national government admits the disease escaped from a lab in Wuhan. Might be true might not.

    As far as Chinese food sanitation practices go, I’ve observed the garage chicken slaughter houses in San Francisco for decades, starting about 1978 right after the 75 opening to China when SF was overwhelmed by Chinese fleeing China.

    Quite a sight. Stacks of chickens in crates. Scrawny starved men slaves in flip flops and T shirts in the cold foggy neighborhood. The heads are chopped off on a block. The de feathering, gutting and cutting up is done on the nasty old concrete floor.

    At least in California, local health departments are under orders to completely ignore these illegal slaughter houses. And of course with affirmative action many health inspectors are Chinese immigrants not Americans

    You don’t see Americans taking on a $ 40,000 debt, spend weeks packed in a shipping container with a chemical toilet and selling themselves as slaves to hard labor in a sweatshop or restaurant to get to China do you?

    [MORE]

    American women don’t go to China when they’re pregnant to have an anchor baby do we?

    No but there’s an entire industry of pregnant Chinese women coming here to have anchor babies. FYI they have the money for air fare.
    They have the money to live in a Chinese like boarding house for 6 months to a year. They have $50,000-$80,000 to pay the Chinese RICO people who run this organized crime business

    But they don’t pay for pre natal delivery and post natal care. They enroll in the free Medicaid program and get free pre & post natal care delivery and the baby gets enrolled in Medicaid by hospital social workers the day of birth.

    The moms and babies are automatically enrolled in the WIC food program because they’re on Medicaid. Women Infants Children. It’s vouchers for baby formula baby food and high protein nutritious food for the Mom.

    They also get a free baby car seat when they leave the hospital and there’s a low cost diaper program too.

    All paid for by the average lower middle class taxpayer who had to pay for their own childbirths pediatrician vaccines diapers car seat and food for the family.

    Are Americans so desperate to get a foot hold in China they send their pregnant women off for 6 months to a year as enormous expense to have an anchor baby? No, but Chinese are so desperate to get the family out of China they do that to get a unification anchor baby

    No, you see Chinese doing that to get out of China to this evil USA, Latin America Canada Europe, Australia anywhere and everywhere on earth to get to White race western civilization countries.

    If China’s so great why are Chinese pouring out of China to first choice America and Canada, then the rest of the world?

    I know all you anti White race, anti American alleged intellectuals think all Whites who aren’t anti White liberals are ignorant dumb as a rock, haven’t read a book since dropping out of school
    unemployed for generations, deplorables and hillbilly redneck White trash living in rusted rotting trailers in hillbilly holler.

    That’s exactly what Hildabeast Clinton and every Jew and liberal in America thinks about Whites who don’t believe your propaganda.

    Believe what you believe about us. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

    You made an unfounded allegation that the American government created the new virus and released it in China. You presented no evidence. You call your unfounded allegation “ informed conjecture”

    I don’t make conjectures. I write what I know about what Chinese do in America. What I know What I’ve seen for decades.

    I may be a dumb ignorant deplorable piece of the White trash you, liberals, Jews and Hildabeast Clinton think I am. But I know an illegal chicken slaughter house when I see one.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  175. @aandrews

    Sure the Chinese don’t much like blacks but that entire letter at the dailystormer link seems OTT. While those Chinese girl students may have behaved like that to a black neighbour in China, I very much doubt they’d do that in USA, and I doubt that all students in China would behave like that to blacks – they’d probably just be cold and ignore them, and would maybe abuse them verbally if provoked in some way. Kathy Zhu may have expressed some views that pass for racist but to behave like stated in that post – I don’t buy it.

    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @aandrews
  176. aandrews (174.)says:

    Kathy Zhu Ate My Dog; Edwin-Marcel Jenkins; Slate; January 30, 2020

    I believe Slate deleted this article because they confirmed that the author was not black and the claims were all fabricated BS.

    I cannot speak for all Chinese or all of China, but accusing Chinese of racism is usually a non-starter. I cannot count the number of thousands of Chinese I have met, but I have never met even one who could be termed racist, not in any way. The Chinese have a saying that if the forest is large enough you can find every kind of bird, so there must be some individual Chinese who are racist. But, as I said, I have never met one.

    As one example, some years back a Chinese friend of mine asked if I could help her find some highly-qualified teachers, native English speakers, for the private school in China where she worked. I specifically asked her about race and gender, blacks in particular, and her response was, “We don’t care about black. We care about native English speaker.” Her response actually surprised me. Her school simply didn’t care about either the color or the nationality – whatever it was – of the teachers so long as they were qualified to a high level and spoke good English. And that has very consistently been my experience. The Chinese are not racist.

    As to the above-referenced article, there are dozens of those floating around the internet, beautifully written by people with good skills and better imaginations. I read a spectacular one, written by an Australian who was describing his personal experience in a relatively recent situation in China that was well-documented as a simple public protest and totally peaceful. His description was much more interesting, with soldiers stabbing young girls and pregnant women in the bellies with their bayonets, bashing the heads of bystanders so their brains were splattered all over. And so on. He provided reams of small details that normally only a close observer would know. Lovely.

    To go further, I doubt there are few people anywhere in the world, especially girls, who would be so mentally unbalanced as to throw bananas at a black man. There are no Chinese who would do that. They might eat your dog, but they wouldn’t waste good bananas by throwing them at you, no matter what color you are.

    • LOL: Tusk, aandrews
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @aandrews
  177. @almondflake

    I highly doubt US have anything to do with this, like 99.999% sure. Massive coverage/paint job/propaganda in the english msm sure. This was perfect ammo and timing on top of the trade war. This virus did more dmg to the Chinese economy than 1.5 years of the trade war in just two weeks.
    But bio warfare? That would 100% mean war instantly between USA and China. That means a nuclear war.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  178. BYD says:

    I am not sure this is has been already posted.

    A Brazilian Doctor has this posted anonymously on a website. That has got me frighten and disturbed.

    In it, he said:

    [MORE]

    I’m an epidemiologist working for Brazil’s Ministry of Health.

    I will disclose everything, I know so far.

    These are facts confirmed to my team, by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as we are communicating with China.

    1 — The disease is airborne, and spreads asymptotically for 3-5 days, before showing the first signals that something is wrong with your body.

    2 — It’s very strange, since it isn’t any strand of the Coronavirus we know, that is just like someone had taken different parts and characteristics of other viruses and stitched them together.It’s actually surreal and we’ve never seen something like this before.

    3 — Numbers are being held down, but not by much like you guys are saying (if it was 90,000 all airports would be closed and any travel would be impossible even by sea.)

    4 — No effective treatment has been shared with the world yet, but the US says, they have a way to deal with it, if this gets to ugly, they just don’t want to disclose it right now, they’ll only do it, if absolutely necessary, we don’t know why yet.

    5 — The timeline of the infection is something like this:

    zero-day infection
    14 day incubation period
    3-5 days asymptomatic transmission
    7+ days to be hospitalized
    estimated time-to-death isn’t accurate yet, but from what I’ve seen, I can say, it begins to turn very ugly, after 3-6 days, after you’ve been in the hospital.

    Lungs filled with blood, your digestive system stops working, tons of secretion (very contagious).

    God help us, if this doesn’t get under control.

    Get prepared right now.

    * And then this researcher attached a picture of his Photo ID, to prove he does work with the Brazilian Ministry.

    • Replies: @Milton
  179. Mefobills says:
    @John Q Public

    A bunch of laughing is either retard tier level, or childish. Which is it? Are you 12 years old?

    If you have an issue with something, then refute it using logic and words… you can do that can’t you?

    China’s public health system can move fast as it is top down control… that much is obvious to any objective observer.

  180. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Bat eating is not common in China. The bat soup video going around is actually from Palau, where bat is a common dish.

    The third Whitest state in the US is West Virginia, and West Virginians traditionally eat like the Chinese do. West Virginia Whites are closest to the original White Americans and the most authentic White population left:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37501036

    The town of Marlinton, in the mountains of West Virginia, has a population of just over 1,000 people. It hosts one of America’s most unusual events each year: The Roadkill Cooking Festival. Black bear, possum, elk and even reptiles are on the menu.

  181. @aandrews

    I am a racist living in NYC. I only like races who doesn’t trouble me or create trouble.

    Want to guess which ones I hate and like?

  182. @Mefobills

    With my limited Mandarin ability, I’ve been reading the Chinese experts on all this, USA, trade war, Hong Kong.

    They know exactly what they are doing. Even the small services opening up was to to bring the qualities of the Chinese services companies up. They have been rotting under the protections of the Chinese govt. This was a direct wake up call.

    Because of HK, they are now seriously considering axing the one country two systems.

    One prominent expert is even saying Taiwan will be forcibly united with the mainland within 5 to 10 years. Because if xi wants a legacy on part with mao or deng, he needs to do that. Not to brag, I predicted this too, but my timeline was before 2049. Same expert was saying China has super local military superiority in any conflict with the USA within the first island chains.

    And the Asian pivot was one of the main reasons for xi jing ping unlimited terms. China has been preparing for a min of 6 years before the start of the trade war.

    Take all of the above with a grain of salt, my Mandarin is at most 65% fluent.

  183. John Q Public (167.) says:

    “China’s Public Health Service is probably the most efficient on earth.”

    “HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!”

    Sorry to be a party pooper, John, but I have some bad news for you.

    In the US, excellent state-of-the-art health care is available in the major centers (if you have the money), with the range and quality naturally lower as we progress to the small towns and rural areas. China is the same – without the money part.

    But it’s worse even than that. A few years ago I needed laser surgery on my eyes for cataracts. I could have had it done free in my home country but my opthalmologist advised against it and urged me to get the procedure done in Shanghai because that city was the world leader on every kind of eye surgery. He told me that one of his partners did the same, for the same reasons. I was fortunate to have a doctor friend who could make an appointment for me with Shanghai’s leading surgeon and, in the operating room, there were five American doctors taking detailed instruction from a Chinese surgeon on how to perform the operation perfectly. In the US, the average cost is between US$4,000 and US$6,000 per eye. I paid about $1,500 for both.

    Health care is designed in China as part of the necessary social infrastructure to provide the most good for the most people, financed by general tax revenue and operated by the governments as a necessary social service. No for-profit hospitals, no insurance companies, no denied claims, no refused treatments, no dying in the parking lot. With the capitalist US system, Americans have unlimited competition that should give them low costs and two-for-one surgery specials, but it seems worse than even their mobile phone market. Let’s look at a few examples:

    An ECG is a commodity, done with inexpensive equipment essentially the same all over the world. In Shanghai, an ECG costs about $3.50, while the average cost in the US is $1,500, with some hospitals charging as much as $3,000. A full-body MRI scan costs less than $50.00 in Shanghai and other major cities, but between $4,000 and $6,000 in the US. Hospital stays in the US typically cost on average forty to fifty times more than in China. A 3-D MRI-style, 360-degree dental X-ray costs $3.75 in Shanghai and $350 in Washington DC.

    To my best knowledge, and from my experience, Health Care in China is not second to any country in the world today.

    And Godfree, I don’t want to see my comments anywhere else in print with your name on them. Okay? 🙂

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Godfree Roberts
    , @Erebus
  184. Commentator Mike (176.) says:

    “I didn’t get the impression that GR plagiarised it. . . Both articles deal with the same topic and are bound to contain the same information . . .”

    The following paragraphs are plaigiarised word for word from the mentioned article:

    Wuhan, a major transport hub in Central China and for the high-speed train network, and with 60 air routes with direct flights to most of the world’s major cities, as well as more than 100 internal flights to major Chinese cities right at the Spring Festival travel rush when hundreds of millions of people travel across the country to be with their families.

    •The Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) is an entirely new strain related to the MERS (MERS-CoV) and the SARS (SARS-CoV) viruses, though early evidence suggested that it was not dangerous. SARS was proven to be caused by a strain of the coronavirus, a large family of mostly harmless viruses also responsible for the common cold, but

    •SARS exhibited characteristics never before observed in any animal or human virus, did not by any means fully match the animal viruses mentioned above, and contained genetic material that still remains unidentified – similar to this new coronavirus in 2019.

    •SARS had the hallmarks of a bioweapon. After all, aren’t new biological warfare agents designed to produce a new disease with a new infectious agent? As in prior military experiments, all it might take … to spread SARS is an aerosol can . . .” Several Russian scientists suggested a link between SARS and biowarfare. Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs. According to a number of news reports, Kolesnikov claimed that the virus of atypical pneumonia (SARS) was a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which was impossible, that this mix could never appear in nature, stating, “This can be done only in a laboratory.” And Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, was quoted in the Gazeta daily as stating he believed SARS was man-made because “there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it.”

    •Virologist Dr. Alan Cantwell wrote at the time that “the mysterious SARS virus is a new virus never before seen by virologists, “This is an entirely new illness with devastating effects on the immune system, and there is no known treatment.” Dr. Cantwell noted that the genetic engineering of coronaviruses has been occurring in both medical and military labs for decades. When he searched in PubMed for the phrase “coronavirus genetic engineering”, he was referred to 107 scientific experiments dating back to 1987. To quote Dr. Cantwell: “I quickly confirmed scientists have been genetically engineering animal and human coronaviruses to make disease-producing mutant and recombinant viruses for over a decade.”

    This is also an abbreviated copy:

    CNN published a gleeful (and untrue) report, “China’s economy is slumping and the country is still suffering the effects of the trade war with America. An outbreak of a new and deadly virus is the last thing it needs.”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  185. I know this is off the main topic, but since I’ve already posted some bad news and since I’m feeling mean today, I want to give you some more bad news. It’s just me.

    To buy a mobile phone in China, you go to any one of thousands of shops in your city, each selling hundreds of different brands and models of mobile phones, and negotiate the best price you can get for the phone you want. At the same time, you get a SIM card (about $3.00), which contains your phone number, network connection authorisation, and some free air time. You insert the SIM card, turn on the phone, and begin making calls while still in the shop. That’s the whole process. Except for the SIM card, it’s the same as buying a toaster. You can choose from various phone companies to provide service, but everything is the same, and you can change phone companies without changing your phone or your number. If you buy a new phone, you simply insert your old SIM card and everything is as it was. You can purchase a second (or third) SIM card and have different local numbers to use in different cities, if you want to do that.

    For sure one of the best features is that the entire country is wired, even in remote locations. I was recently on holiday in Inner Mongolia and could happily send photos on Wechat while riding my camel in the desert. And it isn’t only China itself, but the entire Asian region that is seamlessly connected. I recently called a friend in Shanghai to invite him for lunch, and he said, “I can’t. I’m in Vietnam.” I never have to think about service provider compatibility, roaming, and all the other restrictions that exist in Canada or the US. If I travel to Beijing, I receive a text message welcoming me and telling me my calls are now local calls. In nearly 15 years in China, I could count the number of dropped calls on the fingers of one hand. The system also monitors abuses, presenting warning notices upon receiving a call from a number reported to belong to telemarketers or telephone scam operators. As well, the SMS system is used very effectively for some kinds of public notices like a simultaneous warning to 100 million citizens of an approaching typhoon.

    Phone calls in China cost about $0.02 per minute, and SMS messages are the same. The typical monthly cost for a smart phone in China, including heavy internet usage, is about $15.00, compared to around $200.00 in the US or Canada, and that includes all the ‘extras’ like caller ID and so on. In China, one can buy a mobile hotspot for about $40, with a monthly cost of about $10 for many Gb of downloads. In the US, a hotspot must be rented (at around $50.00 per month) with a monthly cost of another $50.00 for equivalent usage. The cost disparity is not primarily from lower wages, but that the mobile phone system in capitalist countries was not designed for the people but for the mobile phone companies, resulting in the network and frequency fragmentation, à la carte menus, high costs and poor service.

    For more bad news, High-speed internet in China (Shanghai in this case, but the same everywhere) costs 249 RMB, about US$35.00 PER YEAR, and that includes more than 400 TV channels shipped over the internet.

    For even more bad news, Education is similar. China’s excellent universities charge tuition fees of about $1,000 per year, graduating ten million debt-free students each year, in contrast to $30,000 per year and many tens of thousands each in unrepayable debt in the US.

    There. I’m done for now.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  186. Anonymous[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    But bio warfare? That would 100% mean war instantly between USA and China. That means a nuclear war.

    No, it wouldn’t. A state military can’t conceal or plausibly deny that it launched a conventional attack like shooting a missile against another country. So it can expect blame or retaliation in that case. But biowarfare is very difficult to trace, and if it’s carried out, it’s going to be done so surreptitiously and with plausible deniability. It’s very difficult to justify a massive conventional or nuclear retaliation and starting another world war with such unknowns. Moreover, it’s difficult to justify such a military response if the effect of the biowarfare is like a severe flu outbreak which while causing many deaths and economic disruption, doesn’t completely destroy countries like conventional war would.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  187. @Ayatollah Smith

    I commented on all except the first two points under the MORE tag. They both mostly quote what third parties have said.

  188. Milton says:
    @BYD

    Sounds like something Sorcha Fail would put out. Were tears streaming down the Brazilian’s face as he wrote that?

    • Replies: @BYD
  189. clickkid says:

    Godfree Roberts, thank you for this excellent article, indeed all your writing.

    Given the geopolitical context of the last few years, I am 90% convinced that a US bioweapon has been used against China.

    This molecular biologist makes the case that the virus is, with overwhelming probability, bioengineered.

    The conjecture here is that Asian males are particularly susceptible.

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1

    Putting those two together – bioengineered for Asian males.

    Indeed, how many Caucasian or African or Arab etc victims have we seen so far? Outside China this thing just isn’t taking off – a mere dribble of cases, mostly Chinese tourists or businesspeople.

    We wait and watch.

    Two more things:

    Even the alternative media isn’t touching this.

    Reading comments on a wide variety of platforms, I have been struck by the sheer bile and hatred of many westerners for China and the Chinese. Presumably out of frustration that their own failing societies are being overtaken.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Philip Owen
  190. Alden says:
    @in the middle

    The DEA is confiscating the shipments. Are you familiar with shipping containers and the ships that carry them? I’m in N California for a whilr. The neighborhood has a view from the Farollone islands to Bodega Bay in Marin all across to Oakland.

    I can walk about 200 feet, look west and see the ocean and Farollones and see those huge container ships still moving north. I can look out the living room window deck and back yard and see them moving through the Golden Gate channel into the bay and going due east to Oakland.

    LA San Pedro Long Beach is a lot bigger than Oakland. There’s so much shipping the ships often have to wait a couple days just to get into the harbor and maybe a day or 2 more to get to a wharf and cranes to get unloaded.

    Tens of Millions of 8 ft wide 8 ft tall 20 or 40 ft long shipping containers hundreds of thousands of ships stacked with those containers come into just LA San Pedro Long Beach harbor complex every year.

    How can the DEA search every box and package in tens of millions of containers??????

    If we tried it, the ships would be lined up
    to Hawaii for weeks waiting just to get into the harbor to wait for more weeks to start the inspection.

    And no ships, not even party boats and weekend cruise ships would use LA San Pedro harbor

    American wholesale retail business consumers and China would never permit the kind of searching that would end or even significantly lessen the amount of fentanyl shipped through LA San Pedro.

    As for arresting illegal and counterfeit drug manufacturers, and distributors law enforcement does that all the time. But conviction and imprisonment are iffy.

    Have you read and heard the incessant pro criminal liberal propaganda about how drug manufacture and selling is a non violent crime?

    Have you read and heard about the incessant pro criminal liberal propaganda that since drug crimes aren’t violent they shouldn’t be arrested and charged

    Have you read and heard that because arrests for drug crimes have disparate impact on blacks and Hispanics blacks and Hispanics shouldn’t be arrested for drug crimes at all?

    That’s why the DEA can’t stop most of the fentanyl coming into the country. That’s why law enforcement can’t arrest charge convict and imprisonments drug criminals:

    1960/1985 American criminal justice system was very pro criminal. By 1985 the national and state district attorneys associations created victim’s rights groups, planted stories about how people were fed up with crime and sponsored referendums and put up anti crime state legislators.

    Successful result. Three felony convictions, life in prison use a gun committing a crime go to prison victim impact statement witness and victim security and help.

    But now the liberals are back and the criminal justice system has reverted to 1960s levels of anti police anti victim pro criminal system.

    It’s a cycle. The liberals are always pro crime propagandists. But whenever law enforcement and victims of crime has an anti crime victory they let up on the anti crime propaganda and the liberals and criminals gain the ascendancy again.

    There’s two reasons why DEA can’t stop fentanyl.

    1 Billions of packages in millions of containers stacked up on the decks of hundreds of thousands of ships come to America from China every year.

    2 A liberal pro criminal pro crime criminal justice system that’s at the beginning of a new even more pro crime cycle.

    Here’s a couple illustrations from my own experience. A warrant is basically a permission by a judge to law enforcement to search, arrest do something pursuant to enforcing the law.

    Warrants must be very specific. And liberals are demanding they be more and more specific all the time. For instance a search warrant in a domicile can’t be apartment house 234 10th st this city apartment 12. It has to be very specific about what part of the apartment can be searched

    First example

    Drug dealer’s domicile was the typical town house living room in front kitchen bathrooms in the middle 2 bedrooms in the back.

    The warrant was written back bedroom on the left side of the hall. That wasn’t specific enough for the liberal judge at the prima facia ( first
    hearing). Defense counsel made a motion the warrant should have read back bedroom facing south east left side of the hall. Liberal judge went along with that and dismissed the entire case at the first hearing.

    Second example.

    The house was described as tan. The house was a dark tan. Defense counsel argued the warrant should be dismissed because in fact the house was brown. Liberal judge agreed. Entire case dismissed at the first hearing.

    Drug dogs can’t smell fentanyl so that’s out

    That’s the American criminal justice system.

  191. Tusk says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    You act like the US and China are the only countries in the world. “China is better than the US, so it’s the best!” which is pretty laughable.

  192. @Alden

    Why not refute my claims with contrary evidence?

    Generally, people use ad hominem attacks like yours for one of four reasons:

    1. You believe that an argument is a simple competition in which winning or dominating is the goal.

    2. You believe that the absolutely correct position is already known to you but do not wish to reveal it.

    3. You believe that argument is entirely about social positioning: that the only meaningful outcome concerns which person looks best in the eyes of third parties.

    4. You mistakenly assess your cognitive ability as greater than it is and, by inference, greater than the person you are attacking (the Dunning–Kruger effect).

    Which fits you best?

    • Agree: Ber
    • Replies: @Alden
  193. @Ayatollah Smith

    OK! I’ll put your name on it!

    Incidentally, Chinese life expectancy is 75 while that of the U.S. is 79, BUT the U.S. outspends China 220% for health care: U.S. per capita is $8,233; China’s is $381. 

    Chinese healthy life expectancy at birth, however, exceeds American.

    • Replies: @Anon
  194. @Anonymous

    Even if we go by this scenario of a nuclear power like China eating this suppose bio attack, at the very least it means China is now hands free when it comes to launching similar attacks in the USA.

    Back n forth. I will still argue it will lead to a hot war and nuclear war.

    Unless the American elites want to go back to the stone age, I don’t see this “bio attack” happening.

  195. BYD says:
    @Milton

    Don’t know what you mean.

    More researchers will comment on this CoronaVirus, since it’s DNA has been sequenced and uploaded to the web, for the world to see.

    Whether it is man-made or natural, we will find out.

  196. @Alden

    Alden,

    Off topic, but are you aware the Tessa Majors murder is back in the news after a month’s blackout? A grand jury has been called concerning the two “teens” who were released.

    • Replies: @Alden
  197. Alden says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    When whoever Jenkins was wrote I got into college and got a good job thanks to affirmative action I knew the story was phony.

    Blacks just don’t think that way.

  198. Alden says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Truth hurts doesn’t it?

    You’re a paid propagandist for China. I’m not your target. Your target is the WTO US and every government in the world to convince them to do what China wants. So write to The Powers That Be Of The World about the wonderful ness of China and the awfulness of America and Americans.

    I’m sure you’ll be welcome at Bohemian Grove next summer to sell the oligarchs more cheap useless Chinese junk and indentured servants.

    I know what I know and I see what I see.

    I’m not in a position to help or hinder China’s plans in anyway.

    • Agree: Tusk
  199. Alden says:
    @David In TN

    Thanks I’ve looked for news. I assumed maybe NYPD & DA were ordered to let it just slide.

  200. aandrews says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yeah, it does seem a little over-the-top-ish. I did a search for any mention of that article in connection with Slate and didn’t see anything. I’d be terribly saddened (you know how the politicos are always phoney-baloney “saddened” and “concerned” over controversial news) if this is totally bullshit. But, nonetheless, it has a certain bit of “truthiness” to it. But, yeah, it is a bit OTT. Especially as you read further into it.

    It could be verified, though (I guess), by asking Candace Owens and/or Slate (Slate probably wouldn’t respond, unless you carried out a bit of social engineering in the asking).

    I could kick myself for not saving the Twitter entry (video) I came across of an Asian guy (Chinese, I guess) eating intact mice laying in clear consomme, using chopsticks (natch) and washing each one down with a swallow of white wine (or clear liquor of some sort). At least he wasn’t chewing them before he swallowed! They’re disgusting creatures.

    • Replies: @aandrews
  201. Ber says:
    @anon

    Do not know about all the species of bats, but the bats that they eat apparently belong only to the specie called flying foxes.

  202. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yee

    What’s the importance of how you look in history if you are destroyed? haha

  203. Ber says:
    @Alden

    Something kept quiet for so long in the west. Matters are just not played up to the same extant that China is accused of.

    We all know that Europeans too eat cats and dogs, snails, and rats too. If one wishes to demonize, one can even play up the practice of bestiality too! Apparently this is still legal or was legal in some parts of Europe. Denmark only recently just banned bestiality.

    For the Swiss, hundreds of thousands of people eat cat and dog meat, https://www.newsweek.com/not-just-christmas-swiss-urged-stop-eating-cats-and-dogs-287378

    It’s an old Swiss tradition…for making sausages …dog fats for rheumatism… Koreans and Chinese believe eating dogs warm up the body against the bitter cold,

    Looks like there can be health benefits.

  204. aandrews says:
    @aandrews

    Kenyans Say Chinese Investment Brings Racism and Discrimination

    By Joseph Goldstein
    New York Times
    Oct. 15, 2018

    阅读简体中文版閱讀繁體中文版

    RUIRU, Kenya — Before last year, Richard Ochieng’, 26, could not recall experiencing racism firsthand.

    Not while growing up as an orphan in his village near Lake Victoria where everybody was, like him, black. Not while studying at a university in another part of Kenya. Not until his job search led him to Ruiru, a fast-growing settlement at the edge of the capital, Nairobi, where Mr. Ochieng’ found work at a Chinese motorcycle company that had just expanded to Kenya.

    But then his new boss, a Chinese man his own age, started calling him a monkey.

    It happened when the two were on a sales trip and spotted a troop of baboons on the roadside, he said.

    “‘Your brothers,’” he said his boss exclaimed, urging Mr. Ochieng’ to share some bananas with the primates.

    […]

  205. Alden says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    Many Men of UNZ believe the Miles Mathis website.

  206. aandrews says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You must run this video.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  207. Alden says:
    @denk

    Why can’t the Chinese leave America and it’s people alone? Why are so many of you moving to the USA Canada and anywhere else you can get in, legally or illegally.

    It’s not just the indentured servants losers and criminals as are migrants generally. It’s even more the middle and wealthiest classes buying up millions of dollars worth of real estate in Canada USA Australia.

    Stay in China instead of swarming all over the world as Chinese have been doing for centuries in Asia. You’re the ones invading us. Americans aren’t invading China

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Astuteobservor II
    , @Anon
  208. Anon[861] • Disclaimer says:
    @clickkid

    One elementary reason for ACE-5 pathways from a Bat SARs derived Chinese bioweapon would be to overcome maximum human immunity.

    Chinese have the highest immunity to bats from localised proximity and sustained consumption.

    If you could splice a Chimera Virus in Wuhan that could overcome Chinese immunity, think about what it would do to western immune systems once it was adapted to their genetic signatures?

    It would simply wipe them out.

    Then imagine you’d just forced your population to accept SARs vaccines that actually made them more susceptible to a Corona type influenza virus?

    Particularly if a set of traitors in the highest echelons of American institutions, predominately Jewish and Israeli, were providing you with the genetic banks that you needed to engineer your weapon.

    Particularly also if your network of Chinese operatives in the West were using dual-purpose and function-extension research in western institutions to create cultures and then transport them back to Chinese weapon facilities.

    Why would you then hire post-grads to handle such samples in a BSL-4 facility?

    You have no basis to claim the United States has done anything in China.

    People in the US don’t even want to fight fricken Iran or the Aleutian Islands. Do you think they want to expire in a hailstorm of Chinese hypersonic nuclear missiles? Really?

    Americans are dying. White Americans. White Europeans are also succumbing, they’re just a little further back on the curve.

    Because of China’s unbelievable, monumental, historical hubris derived fuck up and incompetence.

    Look at the localised factors. They still could have controlled this.

    Do you know what the Wuhan government did? Arrest medical personnel who spoke out about the Virus.

    Hold a rally full of infected to wave flags and praise the political establishment.

    Hide the outbreak in circumstances of asymptomatic incubation and infection. For months.

    It’s just a shit-storm catastrophe. And the whole world is going to help China because this could fuck everyone.

    Westerners are tired of China’s behaviour.

    Do you think western Christians would fare any differently to Xinjiang Muslims in a Chinese administrated territory?

    This is one theory. But it’s absolutely puerile to see a 90% chance of what you say. Ridiculous, even. The virus has mutated in Japan.

    And Chinese New Year means the whole world is now a ticking time-bomb of pending latent cases.

    Just use your brain dingus. This was an accidental event.

    • Replies: @denk
  209. Tusk says:
    @Alden

    Chinese cognitive dissonance: “China is so great and the best country in the world” is what they say, meanwhile they move to the West for jobs, to buy houses, to go to University. Pretty funny isn’t it? I don’t have to leave my country to be successful, but they do. Chinese shills are the worst too. I honestly never cared about them or their country, but their constant online screeching and “Chinese apologetics” ie Roberts just make them seem extremely insecure imo.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  210. @Alden

    Same reason rich people of all countries can’t seem to stay in their own countries.

    Investment opportunities. Vacation homes. Seeking a way out after bribes. And best of all, they get joy out of needling you by buying up your neighborhood. 🤣

    I can’t help it, sorry. Your anger left you wide open.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  211. Alden says:
    @HammerJack

    Small pox can not be spread by blankets clothing furniture or anything else used by a patient with small pox.

    It is an air & mucus borne disease that can only be spread by human to human close contact.

    It’s not spread by blankets. Another lie promulgated by White hating racists in every history book in America. And it came from America to Europe around 1520 just as syphilis came from America to Europe in 1493.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @KA
    , @Meena
  212. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    So why don’t you go back to Europe? Americans don’t leave people alone. They go around and intervene all over the world.

    • Replies: @Alden
  213. Alden says:
    @alex in San Jose AKA Digital Detroit

    Join Kaiser. It’s expensive but no co pays.

    The reason California health care is so expensive is that about half the population of California is on welfare mostly immigrants and gets free medical care through various programs while the productive workers pay for ourselves and and the welfare population.

    For example; Medicaid for the immigrant welfare slugs pays the hospital $1,100 for a normal childbirth exactly 24 hour stay after the birth and care for mother and baby.

    To make up for the loss due to so many Mexicans on Medicaid as the hospital workers call them, the hospitals charge the insurance companies $16,000 for a normal childbirth and 24 hour stay.

    That’s just one example I noticed.

  214. BYD says:

    ” In July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory (NML). The NML is Canada’s only level-4 facility and one of only a few in North America equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases, including Ebola, SARS, Coronavirus, etc.”

    The term “forcibly dispatched” do not adequately describe what happen. The Counter-Intelligence Section of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) bursted into their offices in the Canadian NML Lab, and have them taken away for interrogation and then deportation from Canada.

    The question is what led to this circumstance? What did the Chinese Researchers see that they were not supposed to see? or What information have they accessed which they were not supposed to access?

    These questions are vital to find out the mysterious origin of this fantastically virulent virus, which could wipe out a large percentage of mankind, if not contained in time. . .

  215. BYD says:

    There is, now, a massive CIA Fake News/Disinformation campaign to suggest this CoronaVirus was originated from Canada, but was later weaponized by the Chinese at the Wuhan Lab, and then “accidentally released” in Wuhan, just prior to the Chinese New Year.

    This is a very well planned Biological-attack, the timing and location of this attack, could not have been worse. It is calculated to inflict maximum death tool and damage.

    It could not have done, without extensive computer simulation of the massive population movement of several hundred millions of people, during the Chinese Lunar New Year.

  216. BYD says:

    With the world now think this fantastically virulent CoronaVirus was originated in China, they could drop the virus, everywhere around the world, and then blame the disaster on China. And then impose all kinds of sanctions and punishments, if the world managed to survive, at all.

  217. Biff says:

    In the latest installment of China bashing in the western media – in today’s climate crisis of ever increasing greenhouse gases, China is now planting TOO MANY TREES. That’s right folks. No good deed goes un-punished if your are a Chinaman.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/planting-trees-must-done-care-142724407.html

    • Replies: @BYD
  218. Alden says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    We weren’t priced out of the market at all. In fact, real estate and commercial industrial construction due to over population and immigration has been very very good to us.

    We stick to apartment houses with studios and small one bedrooms and one person only no visitors more than 3 days leases. Avoids the roommate divorce 25 immigrants in a 1,000 sq ft San Francisco row house problem.

    We’re still here and buying more property regularly. Recently finished the Salesforce Tower highest building west of the Mississippi.

    It’s a family business. Big family big business.

  219. KA says:
    @Alden

    Q. Would it really have been possible for Europeans to infect Native Americans with the smallpox virus by giving them blankets used by other victims? How long could the virus live on a blanket?
    A. It would be at least theoretically possible, experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said, though some historians doubt that the plan to infect enemy tribes, which the British general Lord Jeffery Amherst notoriously wrote about in 1763, during the French and Indian War, was actually carried out

    Dr. Inger Damon, a researcher and epidemiologist at the centers, said the virus, called variola, lives longer in smallpox scabs than in the droplets spread from person to person, the normal mode of transmission.

    “In a humidity-controlled environment, like a cool, dry cabinet,” Dr. Damon said, “viruses in scabs have been shown in certain studies to be quite long-lived, from some months to a year, possibly longer.”

    Though person-to-person transmission usually requires close, prolonged contact (a distance of about six or seven feet for about three hours), there are reported instances of fabric-borne infections among people who worked in smallpox hospitals, doing laundry or changing bed linens. Even a mortuary worker was infected this way, Dr. Damon said.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/13mqa.html

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Tusk
    , @freedom-cat
  220. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Why do you want to come to America if your own country is so great? Why are Chinese doing anything and everything to get into America if it’s so bad?.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  221. Alden says:
    @KA

    Just read my post a summary of a med school text. Don’t believe it; don’t believe it

    This thread is just a cliche of every Marxist liberal White hating grievance studies community college class taught by an affirmative action black lesbian,

    • Replies: @KA
  222. KA says:
    @Alden

    Stanford University is one of the sources .Check it .learn something beyond hysterical racial outburst

    and this “

    The website noted racist comments on its Instagram post about a new Chinese restaurant, which some posters urged diners to avoid because it “may have bat pieces in there or whatever else they eat”.
    The comments were in part a reference to a video of a Chinese social media influencer tucking into a bowl of bat soup. Some posters have claimed the video is evidence of “disgusting” Chinese eating habits, though the video was in fact filmed three years ago in Palau, a Pacific island nation where bat soup is a delicacy.“

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3048104/made-china-how-wuhan-coronavirus-spread-anti-chinese

  223. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:

    As researchers debate the genesis of the virus, a separate study of nine coronavirus patients published in The Lancet on Wednesday found that only one of them had not been to the Hunan seafood market in Wuhan where the virus has been traced to the market’s illegal trade in wild animals. Many of them worked at the market.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/men-more-prone-coronavirus-infection-women-study-finds

    The blame goes straight to the Chinese’ disgusting eating habits and low hygiene standards. It’s time for China to shut down all wet markets and ban all sales of wild animals for consumption. Something good usually comes out of something bad. This is an opportunity for China to finally bring their food safety standard up to western standards. This should’ve been done after SARS.

    Don’t try to make excuses for them with bogus, unsubstantiated claims and cause them to once again miss another opportunity. If they don’t do this, another virus is sure to come along sooner rather than later, next time even deadlier.

  224. Tusk says:
    @KA

    Perhaps theoretically possible, but the point is that Europeans didn’t attempt biological warfare by deliberately giving infected materials to Indians. To say that would be like me saying China is deliberately infecting the rest of the world by letting people continue to fly out and not grounding all flights.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Anonymous
  225. Meena says:
    @Alden

    Any decent medical text book or online resources used by the hospitals for their physicians like
    Uptodate
    Or Dynamed

    Will confirm the existence of small pox in Europe in 7 th century

    and America in 17 thc century

    Bedding and clothings contaminated by the fluid. from small pox sore will infect the unvaccinated if came in close and enduring contacts through these contaminated materials

  226. KA says:
    @Tusk

    Abstract

    With the arrival of Europeans in the Western Hemisphere, Native American populations were exposed to new infectious diseases, diseases for which they lacked immunity. These communicable diseases, including smallpox and measles, devastated entire native populations. In this article, we focus on the effect of smallpox on the Native Americans from the 15th through the 19th centuries. Among the “new” infectious diseases brought by the Europeans, smallpox was one of the most feared because of the high mortality rates in infected Native Americans. This fear may have been well-founded, because the Native Americans were victims of what was probably one of the earliest episodes of biological warfare. Fortunately, they were also major beneficiaries of early vaccination programs. Thus, the arrival of smallpox and the decline of the Native American populations are inexorably linked, as the history summarized here illustrate

    The American Journal of the Medical Sciences
    Volume 323, Issue 4, April 2002, Pages 216-222
    The American Journal of the Medical Sciences

  227. Jason Liu says:

    Even if there was some face-saving coverups at first, I think the overall response by the CCP is not bad. You’d never be able to lock down a city + outbound travel this fast under a democratic regime.

    • Replies: @anon
  228. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You should reveal your nationality, so the Chinese would know where to aim their nukes

    I live in a formerly Western country that is now overrun by chinese locusts.
    Please nuke my capital cities – I beg you chinaman, I beg you please.
    You will kill three million of your countrymen/antpeople, and it will be great. 🙂

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  229. Alfred says:
    @JUSA

    Your genes confirm – like for everyone else – that you have the enzymes required for digesting the outer shell of insects. Because that is what our ancestors ate – not just bats, mice, cats and everything else that you can imagine.

    Janiak and collaborators from Kent State University discovered that almost all living primates still have working versions of the gene needed to produce a stomach enzyme that breaks down exoskeletons. The scientists looked at the genomes of 34 primates, searching for copies of a gene called CHIA the stomach enzyme that breaks down chitin, which is part of the outer covering of an insect.

    Study says humans can digest bugs, assuming they want to

    Imposing your cultural norms on an ancient civilisation that lives on the other side of the world is not a good idea.

  230. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tusk

    Yes they did. White people have a history of using biological warfare. Here are historical quotes.

    Ecuyer gave besieging Lenape warriors several items taken from smallpox patients. “We gave them two blankets and a handkerchief out of the smallpox hospital,” Captain William Trent of the garrison militia wrote in his journal. “I hope it will have the desired effect.”

    Amherst sent him a note on June 29: “Could it not be contrived to send the smallpox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.”

    recruited because he spoke German, wrote back on June 13, “I will try to inoculate the bastards with some blankets that may fall into their hands, and take care not to get the disease myself.” Amherst replied on July 16, advocating exposure to smallpox “by means of blankets, as well as every other method that can serve to extirpate this execrable race.”

    Here is an article showing white people using biological warfare in the Korean war.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/7811949/Did-the-US-wage-germ-warfare-in-Korea.html

  231. denk says:

    Amongs all the vitriolic demonisation from the [[[west]]],
    here’s a breeze of fresh air…..

    it should also be noted that this case of 2019-nCoV is curiously similar to other CoronoVirus diseases, like the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome – MERS, first found in Saudi Arabia (2012) and then it spread to other Middle Easter and Sub-Saharan African countries; and the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), first discovered in China in 2002, spread around the world but was quickly contained and caused no know infections after 2004. Both are coronaviruses, suspected having been laboratory-made, with animal trials, and the viruses transfer to humans was only possible with human assistance. Then the viruses mutated to make human-to-human infection possible. Bothe SARS and the new 2019-nCoV virus also have the particularity of affecting primarily people of the Chinese race.

    There are some 100-plus CIA / Pentagon sponsored clandestine and semi-known laboratories spread throughout the world – laboratories to fabricate and test agents for biological warfare. A few years ago, one such laboratory was discovered and reported on in Ukraine. They were working on a virus affecting the “Russian Race”. Since there is no homogenous Russian Race – their initial trials supposedly failed. Since the empire never gives up in its evil attempts to dominate the world, we can assume that research on race directed bio-agents continues.

    This western, especially American (CIA, Pentagon, NATO) project to develop bio-chemical weapons to kill people by disease rather than bullets and bombs – it is much cheaper! And less obvious – does exist. You may draw your own conclusion on whether SARS and the new 2019-nCoV fits that pattern. The timing of the appearance was especially curious. It was first reported on 31 December 2019 in Wuhan – and then expanded into a proportion, so that it interfered with China’s most important Holiday, the Lunar New Year. It could, of course, be just coincidence.

    ***

    One of Washington’s “low-grade” warfare models is destabilizing China (and Russia for that matter) with any means. With the objective of destabilization, China is constantly being harassed and aggressed – see Hong Kong, Taiwan, the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Tibet, the tariff wars – and why not with a contagious virus, a trial for a potential pandemic?

    What can be observed and even the west must notice to their chagrin and frustration – is China’s extreme resilience and capacity to adapt and resist – to resist with powerful minds and ingenuity that saves her people. And that without counter-aggression, without even an accusation and never a threat. This is China’s way forward: a steady flow of endless creation, avoiding conflict, no dominance, but seeking harmony by building bridges between people and among countries and cultures – creating understanding and wellbeing, towards a multi-polar world. A model for mankind? – If only the west would open its eyes and wake up.

    https://journal-neo.org/2020/01/28/chinese-resilience-and-silent-simple-and-steady-resistance-a-model-for-mankind/

    China survived the TAM caper, the SARS attack, can the Chinese do it this time ?

    Breaking….
    WHO has declared this a Global pandemic crisis.
    just one step away from a quarantine order., which’d require mandatory ban on trade and travel.
    That’d be [[[their]]]
    Global Chinese Exclusion Act
    wet dream come true.

    Guess ‘who‘ has already issued travel restriction on China ???

  232. Seraphim says:
    @Blubb

    Indeed, you have no clue.

  233. @Skeptikal

    Good point about Microsoft. I am seriously considering switching to Linux. Anything is hackable amd tracable… But I rather to make it more difficult…

  234. @dogbumbreath

    You are correct… But its not about the cleanliness.. Some animals arent fit for human consumption. When we eat them we put ourselves at risk for certain things.

  235. @Godfree Roberts

    Yes i read a story on that a couple of years ago from the WHO that a child born in China today will have more “healthy” years than one born in the US today. Of course a lot of that was based on trends – as no one can see the future clearly… But yes of course the western MSM didnt report that story much at all.

  236. @Leon

    Coronavirus – the “Home Game” amped upgrade to Novichok Salisbury incident. How we saw in Salisbury the litany of contradictions to the official narrative(Moon of Alabama & Craig Murray etc). How coincidences of convenience piled up like stinking Watergate paper trails yet thanks to “fake news” and press affiliations, gags, threats and retributions remastered after Seth Rich, Snowdon and Assange, making traction slow to permeate into the wider MSM audience, most who still believe what they were fed: that HIV & AIDS came out of a natural pandoran box.

    The instruction is clear: “Take down China, and her allies by any and all means available.”
    Spooks, Black Ops, Jackals and Wet trades have “off the reservation” passes until either China is brought to heel or the AngloEmpire withers into incapacity to act. Dr Alan Cantwell MD is well worth a read.

    • Replies: @Luca
  237. KA says:
    @BlackDragon

    it is simple immunity from long slow subclinical infection or from long slow chronic infestation . You see Indians as chronically undernourished because partly from chronic infection .

    Indians who return to India after 5- 10 yrs or so can get violently sick from same filth.

  238. Yee says:

    Astuteobservor II,

    “Even if we go by this scenario of a nuclear power like China eating this suppose bio attack, at the very least it means China is now hands free when it comes to launching similar attacks in the USA.”

    No, China won’t do that. China won’t do even political assassination, let alone bio-attack on civilians.

    Everything has a price. Once you resolve to immoral tactics, you’d lose the confidence in yourself.

    Whether it’s a natural disease or a bio-attack, it’d be overcome quickly, China has more important goals to achieve than attacking the American civilians.

  239. clickkid says:
    @Yee

    Exactly!

    The whole reason for US hostility to China is that China is winning the peace. If you’re winning the peace, you don’t need to start war. China – and Russia – are rolling with the punches. A rope-a-dope strategy if you will.

    2013 – China stops accumulating US Treasuries on a net basis and accelerates purchases of gold.

    2014 – Chinese economy becomes bigger than that of the US on Purchasing Power Parity basis

    The Fed is now massively monetizing US debt, because China and others stopped buying.That can’t go on for ever.

  240. denk says:

    In spite in a number of signals that the Trump administration has made over the months to indicate that it is prepared to try to take China down alone, the better part of American policymakers have been hard at work behind the scenes, trying to put together a slapdash coalition against Beijing. It’s rather curious that certain American media sources are not even trying to conceal this fact from the general public.

    That’s where the largest Anglo-Saxon intelligence coalition in existence, comprising Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States comes into play. The anti-Chinese efforts of this coalition known as the Five Eyes (FVEY) has recently been joined by Germany, Japan and France that want to oppose Chinese investments into various regions of the world.

    https://journal-neo.org/2018/12/10/anglo-saxon-eyes-are-fixed-on-countering-china/

    I heard lots of whitey yapping about the necessity of a new Chinese exclusion Act to keep out the Chinese.
    These clowns are behind the curve, what do they think Trump has been doing since his ‘election’ ?
    A veritable Global Chinese Exclusion Act no less !

    Trying to kill off ZTE, Huawei, on ‘national security’ concern, what a crock !

    How the fuck does Chinese infrastructure proj in bangladesh threaten fukus ‘security’ ?

    Bangladesh has become the focus for increasing geo-political rivalry between China, India and Japan—the latter two backed by the US. Over the past two months, Chinese investment bids in Bangladesh reportedly have been outflanked by Indian and Japanese corporations over port and power plant projects.

    China had carried out extensive feasibility assessments and agreed to provide 99 percent of funds to build Sonadia

    Bangladesh’s planning minister, A.H.M. Mustafa Kamal, however, later admitted that the port deal would not proceed because “some countries, including India and the United States, are against the Chinese involvement.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/03/05/bang-m05.html

    Japanese investment in a new deep-water port at Matarbarhi Island on the southeast coast of Bangladesh highlights increasing geo-political rivalry fuelled by the United States and its allies as part of Washington’s “pivot to Asia.” The $US3.66 billion project cuts across a long-standing Chinese offer to build deep-water port facilities at Sonadia, only 25 kilometres from Matarbarhi.

    While the Bangladesh government insists that the Sonadia project has not been cancelled it has recently claimed that there were environmental concerns about port facilities at this location. The real reason, though, is opposition from the US and India to Chinese investment in Bangladesh ports. Speaking with the Dhaka Tribune in January, Bangladesh Planning Minister A.H.M. Mustafa Kamal said that “some countries, including India and the United States, are against the Chinese involvement” in the project.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/07/22/bang-j22.html

    All these talk about ‘national security’ and ‘reducing trade deficit’ are pure B.S., cover for economic warfare to take down a peer competitor.

    IN the eighties, Jp was the competitor threatening to overtake fukus preminent position.
    uncle sham told Tokyo, ‘appreciate your yen, or else’ !, what could Jp the poodle do but comply in the Plaza accord and the rest is history.

    China is a sovereign country, it refuse to take order from Washington to shoot itself in the foot.
    Hence the incessant overt and covert wars on China since 1949.

    Inspite of this, China not only survived but getting from strength to strength, threatening US position just like Jp did in the 80’s.

    [[[They]]] are getting desperate, hence the assaults are coming fast and furious in multiple directions and domain.

    The mask is off, the gloves are removed, no more pretensions and no need for stealth , its open warfare from now on.

  241. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    Even in the midst of the coronavirus, I’ve seen Chinese people mourning the death of Kobe Bryant on Chinese social media. How foreign-worshipping and weak-minded do you have to be to care about the death of a foreign celebrity when your country is facing a crisis?

    • Replies: @Peace out
  242. americans4innovation.blogspot.com : “Coronavirus traced to the British Crown[The Pirbright Institute(UK) & British SERCO ]” Who knows what the truth is , but this article is worth a read .

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  243. Peace out says:
    @lloyd

    “To hate is a waste of energy” dr. Frances cress welsing….

  244. Peace out says:
    @anon

    Very sad indeed!

    • Replies: @anon
  245. @anon

    Lol.

    You are one twisted fuck.

    So much hate. Did those Chinese immigrants steal your girl? Lol. Your hate would make sense if your entire family got trained on, you included. That is the only way for the hate to make sense.

    Also, think bigger, nukes flying = entire countries, not some dingy little city. And certainly where you currently live. 😎

    And that is shit hitting the fan.

  246. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Peace out

    Are you Chinese?

  247. @Yee

    That is pure bs.

    A top general of China got killed like how Iran’s did, you think China would do nothing? Even Iran launched missiles in a show of force.

    If this coronavirus is American made, you think the Chinese would do nothing?

    Pure fantasy on your part.

    The consequences are what gives me confidence that this 99.999% has nothing to do with USA. Just using this to the maximum in the English media to shit on China and slow down China’s economy.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @WHAT
  248. Kati says:

    I miss Operation Seaspray on the dark side list.

    Just on this one you see there are people willingly to harm the population to reach certain goals.

  249. aandrews says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    Like I mentioned to Commentator Mike…I’m deeply saddened.

    “There are no Chinese who would do that.”

    Read my NYT link. But that’s probably just one of the birds you find in the forest. Nonetheless, at a particular point in Empire of Dust, where the local workers are talking among themselves in their job site accommodations, they mention “the monkey thing” in reference to Chinese remarks about them.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  250. @9/11 Inside job

    For more information on SERCO , see : “SERCO : A subversive threat to America ” truthbits.blog :
    “SERCO has thoroughly infiltrated the American Military Industrial Complex . They operate 63 US Air Traffic Control towers . They have over $5.5 trillion in contracts with the US Federal Government , with almost a trillion of that with the US Army and Navy .They are paid $600 million to run FEMA Region 1 and another $610 to run FEMA Region 9 . They are being paid hundreds of millions to process all Patant applications at the US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) …”

    • Replies: @Ber
  251. @aandrews

    I can appreciate that the frustration of trying to help Africans develop, teach them, and do some good for them, like Che experienced trying to teach them which way to point a gun (they did master that eventually, and some more, but are just slow learners), can loosen some Chinamen’s tongues.

  252. @Frederick V. Reed

    It is no conspiracy theory that blacks in Tuskegee and Guatemalans by the US government. It has been admitted… It is fact.

  253. Rubicon says:
    @Biff

    Given the ruthless behaviors by America’s Financial Capitalists and it’s Handmaiden, the US govt., we remain very skeptical about *how* this virus just happened to have been inseminated in China.

    As the US govt/agencies have a nefarious past in using these weapons of destruction, it seems very likely this was a perpetrated effort against China.

  254. @Showmethereal

    Yes , it is indeed a fact and a stain on the NIH , see slate.com : “Guatemala syphilis experiments worse than Tuskegee “:
    “Seventy years ago , American researchers infected Guatemalans with syphilis and gonorrhea and then left without treating them. Their families are still waiting for help.” It is alleged that the following private entities had a role in the research and have been sued for their role in the experiments :”Johns Hopkins University , the Rockefeller Foundation and the pharmaceutical company Bristol-Myers Squibb.”

  255. KA says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    How many outside Canada or USA have been affected with these viruses after traveling to Canada or USA. ?
    Flu is seasonal and predictable .Happens every year.Available vaccine shortens the duration . It is not geographically confined . Viruses appear same time in different parts of Canada or USA.
    Death in Canada is over the entire flu season with ratio of death less than corona virus which still has. not run the entire cycle .
    It presents a different crisis.
    Chinese crisis seems like Puerto Rico is suddenly facing an outbreak . People outside Puerto Rico are not unless they have traveled to or from .
    At this moment it is still serious and unpredictable .
    If it’s not from escape from lab ,then it is possibly from jumping from one species to another .

  256. clickkid says:

    HIV genes apparently found in the Coronavirus ‘unexpectedly’

    • Replies: @ivan
  257. @clickkid

    Boy babies born to starving mothers have a higher death rate in later life. Babies of the Dutch Hunger Winter, the men of 1990’s Russia born of Bolshevik and war time starvation. Chinese born in WW2 (1933-1947 in China), during the Great Leap forward and the Cultural Revolution. No need to suggest a targetted virus.

    • Replies: @clickkid
  258. @Alden

    If the US cant atop fentanyl from getting in to the country because of all the volume of shiipijg comtainers – then explain how China – which ships more containers than the US receives can be expected to stop the fentanyl from leaving…???? Does that make sense…??? All the Caribbean and Latin American countries complain the US doesnt stop guns illegally being brought into their countries from the US. Again people like you make the excuse about not being able to track… The US then expects those poorer countries to stop marijuana and cocaine from leaving their shores and getting into the US.
    What is that saying about “what’s good for the goose is good for…”?
    Maybe you never thought of these things – or you are a hypocrite.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Godfree Roberts
  259. @Tusk

    Actually it is you who is insecure. First of all your comment makes no sense since 80 percent of Chinese students in the US return to China now. 30 years ago it was the opposite. But there is a dichotomy about China you cannot understand. Chinese will tell you they go to the west for jobs or education simply because they want to experience it. Some say it is better – some say China is better and some are ambivalent. All it says is they are more open minded than you – even though many of your type think Chinese are all like robots and controlled by the government. Btw there are plenty of westerners in China. More would go if they had the chance but China is a crowded country in case you didnt know – so unless you a skill its hard to migrate there. Many westerners – including ones I know – go to teach English.
    But anyway here is a secret about rich Chinese. There are some deep down who believe military conflict is inevitable and doubt their own military strength. Theyfear another 100 year humiliation. Foolishly they think there money will be safe if it is in the west. Others however simply want to diversify their assets… Just like Japanese did in the 80’s… “Have cash will travel”. Sorry to let you down but it is not because they envy you. Except that they want to pay less taxes like a rich American who has all kinds of ways to beat the tax man. Rich Europeans have US domiciles for the same reason. It is not bc they think the US is more “free” or “democratic”. It is certainly not for the healthcare.

    • LOL: Tusk
  260. clickkid says:
    @Philip Owen

    Yeah – and the Chinese government shuts half of the country down because of it, with all of the economic consequenes that that holds.

  261. @melpol

    @melpol Your comment exhibits your naivety in the extreme. I respectively suggest that you avail yourself of the principles of Hybrid Warfare or Asymmetric Warfare.

  262. @Alden

    “Doing and anything to get into America”? Huh? You still think there are that many?? This is not 1990. You probably are one of those who thought the 40 “Chinese” people dead in the truck going into the UK were really Chinese. Much to your chagrin they were Vietnamese instead. Anyone with sense knew they weren’t Chinese from the get-go. In 30 years if Vietnam keeps growing at the same rate it is now – you won’t see Vietnamese by the lorry load sneaking into the UK either. It doesn’t mean there won’t be economic migrants and doesn’t mean there won’t still be poor… But there won’t be the same “desperation”.
    That is where China is now – and that’s the dichotomy of China. Fact – China has a larger middle class and more purchasing power than the USA. Fact – China also has more poor people than the USA.. Fact – Chinese cities are more “advanced” than comparable US cities. Fact – China also is not fully developed yet as a 1st world country.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  263. @Guitp

    ‘Could we conventional destroy China? We didn’t with Vietnam or any other recent war and China would be a real contender. Gloves off, probably but the cost would be huge and would set the u.s. back just like the Europeans set themselves back.’

    I don’t suppose the concepts of ‘sin’ or ‘evil’ have any resonance with you?

    I’m not a big China fan, but they’re doing their thing. We need to decide what we’re going to do about it — not try to make ol’ Uncle Adolf a footnote.

  264. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s an interesting article on some of the stuff Dr. Charles Lieber was working on 15 years ago. Dr. Lieber is the Harvard chemist who was arrested a few days ago for ties to Wuhan. He was working on virus detectors that could detect a single virus and catch viral outbreaks and bioweapon attacks early. A possibility is that his work with Wuhan enabled China to catch a US bioweapon attack relatively early on, mitigating its impact to a degree. This relatively quick response would have alerted the US and aroused suspicion, and so the feds come down on Lieber just days after this hits the news.

    “Sensor detects, identifies single viruses
    Early warning for disease and bioterrorism”

    https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2004/10/sensor-detects-identifies-single-viruses/

    Two of the world’s biggest threats may someday be reduced by wires thousands of times thinner than a hair but capable of detecting a single virus. The specter of worldwide viral epidemics is always with us, so detecting them quickly offers the possibility of saving thousands of lives. The pathogens also can be stealthy biological weapons, making their positive detection a vital national defense requirement.

    “We want to find a single virus before it finds you,” says Charles Lieber, Hyman Professor of Chemistry at Harvard University. Tests recently completed in his laboratory show that these unimaginably thin nanowires can sense and distinguish between viruses that cause flu, measles, and eye infections. Lieber believes future versions will be able to spot HIV, Ebola, SARS, West Nile, hepatitis, bird flu, and other dangerous viruses.

    “Viruses are among the most important causes of human disease and are of increasing concern as agents for bioterrorism,” Lieber says. “Our work shows that nanoscale silicon wires can be configured as detectors that turn on or off in the presence of a single virus particle. Such detectors could be fashioned into arrays capable of sensing thousands of different viruses, ushering in a new era for diagnoses, biosafety, and quick response to viral outbreaks.”

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Alfred
  265. Erebus says:
    @Showmethereal

    … explain how China – which ships more containers than the US receives can be expected to stop the fentanyl from leaving…????

    As the US is the destination for only ~20% of China’s exports, one could conclude that China ships 4x more containers elsewhere. IOW, China’s export control regime would have to be 5x America’s import controls to be as (in)effective.

    Another thing Alden forgets about is that no fentanyl would be shipped from China if it didn’t have a buyer at the US end. Trade is a 2-way street, and though some of the supply is Made in China, the US’ demand for fentanyl is entirely Made in the USA.

    Having created the demand, and done little or nothing to curb it, the US’ claim that the supply end is to blame is just another example of why the US’ exceptionalism is really nothing more than hypocrisy.

  266. denk says:

    The four who principle practically screams out that this is another biowarfare against China by you know who, especially if this turns out to be race specific, like SARS.

    yET there have been tons of disinfo posted by ignoramous/morons/spooks suggesting all kind of
    B.S.

    The most ridiculous ones are..

    What about that BSL4 lab in Wuhan, could this be an accident ?
    BSL4 lab has the most stringent kind of security protocol

    A leak like this would be called a freak accident….meaning the prob is extemely low..,
    especially when it happens to ‘leak’ at a time when [[[they]]] are doing their damndest to take down China, when a mass traffic is expected during Chinese new yr, it happens to leak at China’s economic power house Wuhan….
    [see how [[[they]]] are already salivating for
    a collapse in China’s economy…….?]

    Remember Ian Fleming’s law of prob ?
    Three coincidences = enemy action,.
    I’d say the prob of a leak is practically zERO.
    The much more credible scenario is [[[they]]] planted those craps in Wuhan precisely to implicate that lab.
    Plausible deniability.

    Then there’ the even more heinous theory,
    a Chinese FF.

    Now lets say there’s a certified arsonist in JOhn’s neighborhood, who have attacked his house many times before, including several recent attempts.

    JOhn’s house caught fire last night.

    Who’d you think of first as suspect, the serial arsonist who hate your guts !

    ONly someone with sick mind would suggest that somehow John had suddenly gone crazy and tried to burn down his house.

    Where do we find lots of sick minds, you know [[[where]]] ?
    The Bush, Clinton, PompousAss, BOlton, Pence, Bannon., Hillary………..
    ,[[[They]]] have used all kinds of bio./chem weapons on many countries in their imperial wars and….
    [[[they]]] have experimented bioweapon on their ‘allies’ like France [LSD] and ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE.
    These are all documented facts mentioned in my earlier posts.

    Have you noticed that all [[[their]]] agitprop on OTHER’s alleged crimes seem to be inspired by their own experience.

    Empire watch rule 1
    [[[they]]] always accuse others of doing what they’ve been doing on an industiral scale.
    Bandits crying robbery.

    Every time [[[they]]] attack China, you find lots of new voices in alt media pushing apparently insider info, wow, [[[they]]] just indicted a Jew [red flag] chem prof
    working for the Chinese, [[[canada]]] kicked out some Chinese agents, [[[Oz]]] has a breakthru……

    Also notice that CIA’S film production unit have been working overtime and people are lapping it up with glee !

    Land of the ‘free’ ?
    More like land of the ‘sick mind’ and ‘idiots’

  267. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    [[[they]]] are pushing the meme that the
    Jew [red flag !!!] prof is paid big bucks doing nefarious works for China.

  268. Rachel says:

    A whole lot of speculation without any citations to corroborate any of this as fact. It it pure propaganda.

  269. Yee says:

    Astuteobservor II,

    “If this coronavirus is American made, you think the Chinese would do nothing?
    Pure fantasy on your part.”

    What I’m sure of, is that Chinese government wouldn’t retaliate in kind, on civilians.

    It’s not fantasy. It’s a understanding of our ways of thinking. A ruler can’t rule by doing evil, that’s the teaching passed down for millenniums.

    As I said in a previous comment, I wouldn’t be surprised if China had a hand in downing that CIA plane. Military personnels is fair game.

  270. @Showmethereal

    The US, with five percent of the world’s population, consumes eighty percent of its opioids.

    Of 229 trafficking cases–in which 537kg of fentanyl-related substances were seized between last October and March–only seventeen seizures, weighing 6kg, originated in China. US fentanyl seizures show China is not the main supplier.

    The US Department of Justice says, “China has made great strides and the Department is encouraged by China’s recent class-wide controls of fentanyl-like substances.”

    Americans consume opioids because of bribery, weak regulation, poor enforcement, over-prescription, and endemic social despair.

    There’s not much China can do about that.

  271. @Just passing through

    If this virus spreads around China, it will mostly kill old people and this will be both good and bad for China, bad in that lots of Chinese will die but good in that most of those that will die will be old unproductive.

    Wonder how it would affect Chinese political opinion to lose a generation that remembers Mao’s Cultural Revolution? A tougher, less materialistic, more cynical generation that is maybe less nationalist?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  272. 9/11 Inside job (262.) says

    “It is alleged that the following private entities . . . have been sued for their role in the experiments . . ”

    Not entirely accurate. When the few victims remaining alive learned the truth of their conditions, they filed a $1 billion lawsuit in US courts, seeking compensation from the various participants, all of whom refused all guilt or liability, blamed somebody else, and claimed they would “vigorously defend” against the lawsuit.

    And, in one of the most cowardly and shameful acts in history, Hillary Clinton said:

    “The United States is committed to taking appropriate steps to address that wrong, (but a) lawsuit is not the proper vehicle – and this court is not the proper forum – through which the consequences of this shameful conduct may be resolved”.

    Translation: We’re white. You’re not.

  273. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Now the filthy backward chinese in wuhan are throwing their pet cats and dogs out of highrise apartments to their death, out of fear that the animals carry corana virus.
    The chinese are not human- instead we should think of them as bugs or insects and treat them accordingly.

  274. @Ber

    Yes, Perfidious Albion operating through groups such aa the City of London , Rhodes Scholars and now SERCO : “7 Sinister ways Freemasons control our country” businesspundit.com:
    “RHODES SCHOLARSHIPS – Cecil Rhodes himself became a Freemason while studying at Oxford in the 1870’s…he became obsessed with the idea of bringing the entire World under the rule of the British Masonic elite …in his estate Rhodes entrusted Nathan Rothschild with continuing his program of intellectual World domination …and today Rhodes Scholars occupy key positions throughout the Global political and business world.”

  275. globalresearch.ca :”Coronavirus epidemic: WHO declares a global health epidemic-can we trust the WHO?”, likewise can we trust the massmedia ?
    “…the swine flu epidemic turned out to be a multi -billion bonanza for “Big pharma” supported by the WHO’s Director-General Margaret Chan ”
    Deja vu ?

  276. ivan says:
    @clickkid

    It’s a claim based on nothing but selective reading of matches of small sections of the HIV’s genetic code. If you read the original article, you will find the comments have comprehensively demolished the article. It does seem that this virus is nothing other than a mutation of bat coronavirus. So nothing here for the conspiracy theorists.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  277. denk says:

    On November 20th 2003, London was gearing up for a huge protest against the visit of President Bush. The media had been hyping up the protests, as the largest protests ‘ever seen against a head of State’. More people were expected to attend than had ever protested against Saddam, or Mugabe.

    However, Bush seemed unnerved. He would smile when asked about the protests and he said it didn’t affect him at all. I couldn’t understand this. This man was being told he was the most hated man on the planet, and yet he didn’t seem to mind. Almost as if he ‘knew’ something no-one else did

    Bush’s calmness unnerved me.

    It just wasn’t logical.

    Then it happened, ‘Al Qaeda’ bombed the British consulate in Turkey.
    Media attention all turned to the ‘terrorists hit’, nothing about the protest.

    Bush got his lucky break/

    https://100777.com/node/591

    September 13, 2001

    even as the poisonous smoke was still rising from the ruins of the World Trade Center in September 2001, Bush giddily declared that “through my tears, I see opportunity.”
    We now know exactly what he saw: the opportunity to launch the long-determined invasion of Iraq, even though he knew that his stated reasons for the war were false, as Tyler Drumheller, the CIA’s top man in Europ

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/hideous-kinky-moral-nullity-as-normality-in-pentagon-plans/2354

    Another lucky break.

    Post Asian tsunami,

    Condoleezza Rice sparked a small controversy by describing the tsunami as “a wonderful opportunity” that “has paid great dividends for us.”

    Followed with boots on the ground in SEA, plus
    USAID.

    Ebola outbreak Africa,
    Voila !
    The US despatched the 101 airborne to fight Ebola, prolly with bullets.
    http://osnetdaily.com/2014/10/militarys-ebola-mission-in-africa-meant-to-edge-out-china-boost-africom/

    More lucky break. !

    2020….
    Trump has been launching a furious blitzkrieg to force a foreign investments exodus from China, preferably to USA.

    tAriff war , HK color rev, provocation in SCS, shenanigan in TW….all failed to deliver.

    Poof !
    A pandemic swept China.
    WHO has already declare it a ‘global health crisis’,
    one step away from imposing a quaranteene .

    [[[they]]] ask with bated breath,
    ‘This would prolly bring about the economic collapse that Gordon Chang predicted 20 years ago’

    Washington is helping to precipitate that outcome with unseemly haste, leading the way to evacuate its citizens and imposing travel restriction.

    Wilbur Ross the financial czar…
    Perhaps this will bring back our jobs,
    do a complete revamp of the supply chain !

    Another lucky break. ???

    Ian Fleming…
    I dont believe in coincidences,

    Uncle sam,
    A man gotta make his own break.

  278. Hmmmm – coincidence or not..??? The head of Harvard’s Chemical Biology Department – who took grants from the NIH and the DOD was arrested for not disclosing he was running a lab at a university in Wuhan since 2011…??? That sounds very very suspect and almost too coincidental. Maybe it is — but if this was a movie plot – it would seem too unbelievable. Yet this is real. Very very suspect.

  279. @ivan

    Yeah I thought there was no real chance of conspiracy – until I just read about the arrest of Charles Lieber – who is the head of Chemical Biology at Harvard. He was working with the Deparment of Defense and National Institute of Health. He is charged with lying to the FBI for not disclosing he had been running a lab in Wuhan since 2011. Two things… 1) why is he just arrested now..??? 2) can we really believe he was flying back and forth to Wuhan since 2011 and nobody in the FBI or Department of Defense knew he was running a lab….?? I dunno… Can life be that coincidental???

  280. Alfred says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    The consequences are what gives me confidence that this 99.999% has nothing to do with USA.

    You overestimate the intelligence of those running the USA – and their “intelligence community”

  281. denk says:
    @Anon

    Filthy

    Relative Hygience /sanitary standard of Asian countries…

    ————————————-
    Japan [bird flu]
    KOrea, [bird flu, swine flu] Singapore [SARS, SARS2]

    China [SARS1 SARS2, bird flu, swine flu…]
    Vietnam [SARS1]
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    India [ZERO, NADA, ZILCH]

    ———————————————–

    Old chap,
    Nuthin to do with filthiness, [do you swim in the ganges?]

    looks like an Exclusive East Asian affair.

    racist virus,
    hhehhehehe

    • Replies: @barr
  282. For all thous who write about “filthy chinese”, life expectancy in Wuhan was 81,1 in 2017 and is probably 82 now, which is higher then in New York. Its exactly in their “filthy cities” that health is on a first world level. Chinas life expectancy is weight down by the countryside.

  283. An in a way interesting story is Jack London’s “The Unparalleled Invasion” from 1910 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unparalleled_Invasion
    In it western powers wipe out a modernized Chinese behemoth via bio weapons.

    http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/StrengthStrong/invasion.html

  284. WHAT says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Stop projecting your infantile kneejerk nature on nations. Both Iran and China will have their revenge, and it will be well considered and prepared revenge.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  285. @Anon

    I can never understand the hate the Chinese gets from some of the anons.

    What did they do to you to crate this amount of hate in you?

    • Replies: @anon
  286. @Lockean Proviso

    It is almost exactly the opposite of everything you said. The young people are more nationalistic in China than the middle age. They have only known a “strong” China. Look up the new trend of “hanfu” where the young people are now starting to wear traditional clothes. Marketers will tell you they prefer local brands to overseas brands – unlike the middle age. The one negative is they are more materialistic – and don’t save as much – but are more willing to spend their money. But that is being encouraged now as the country turns toward “consumption” for growth.

  287. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Isn’t it obvious? Cowardly white soyboys who are afraid of offending niggers and kikes think Asians are fair game for racial abuse. That’s right white boys, keep on taking it up the ass from niggers and kikes while lashing out at Asians who just want to be left alone.

  288. @showmethereal

    You probably are one of those who thought the 40 “Chinese” people dead in the truck going into the UK were really Chinese. Much to your chagrin they were Vietnamese instead.

    I was surprised that they were Viets. I would have thought that by now there are enough neighbourhood indoor marijuana plantations (ran mostly by the Vietnamese) in the UK to satisfy the local markets, as well as enough girls clipping nails in those salons. Or maybe they do need more staff, as every time the drug squad or immigration cart away those working at these venues there are new openings. And as the economy in Vietnam also seems to be doing better, I would have thought that for the prices they pay to get to the UK illegally (they say around 20,000$) they could start a survival business at home, or even a bigger partnership enterprise if a few of them pool that ticket money together, instead of risking to end up in jail when the ganja farms get raided. Even Jeff Striker, as a foreigner, can manage to get some business going on such funds in SE Asia so how come these locals can’t?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  289. @WHAT

    Oh mature and wise one, in what way will Iran and China go about their revenge that will not cause a hot war?

    • Replies: @d dan
  290. aandrews (257.) says:

    “. . . they mention “the monkey thing” in reference to Chinese remarks about them.”

    I cannot account for a specific event, but Westerners really don’t understand the East. We use the word ‘pig’ as an insult. To most Asians, that is meaningless. They think pigs are cute, as we do with piggy banks. ‘Monkey’ is the same. No Chinese associate monkeys with blacks; that is totally a Western orientation. One of the most famous stories in China is The Journey to the West, featuring the Monkey King. To refer to someone as a monkey might be a compliment.

    Europeans can much more easily relate to foreign cultures because they are all surrounded by so many very different ones (Germany and Italy, for e.g.). Americans have been isolated in their cultureless coccoon for hundreds of years, are shockingly racist anyway, and generally just despise anything different from what they have at home. When the Chinese encounter a foreign culture, they think “I’m different”. When Americans encounter a foreign culture, they think “I’m better”.

    Much of the comment here is just ignorant bigotry, not necessarily from meanness, but from a sense of superiority coupled with evangelical racism. And a certain lack of delicacy in expression.

    • Replies: @Slimer
  291. d dan says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    While I agree with you that Trump or Pence are unlikely to order this attack personally, you should NOT underestimate the probability of a rogue general in Pentagon or a psychopath agent in CIA. There are people in the government who has the desire to see and the confidence to win a hot war with China.

    Add to the facts that there is a high chance of deniability (“I didn’t do it, Mr President.”) and too many coincident events (including arrest of Harvard professor) happening in the same time, you figure.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Astuteobservor II
  292. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    China is fucked then haha. Chinese will always bow down and surrender to Western threats and bullying. China only feels safe bullying small neighboring countries.

  293. Amon says:
    @melpol

    There would be an outcry, but no one in power would care.

    Remember the massive protests against the invasion of Iraq and how no one in the government or army paid them any attention, that’s how little the elite cares these days.

  294. Amon says:
    @HammerJack

    Have you seen our factory farms?

    Trust me, animal welfare is way down there on the list of things that matter along side the concept of hiring whites in the corporate industrial farming complex.

    When your KFC chicken only has enough space to stand and shit, is missing half of its feathers from stress and illness and has blisters the size of human finger nails around its butt I doubt its even fit to feed a death row inmate.

    In fact, I would not be surprised if the reason whites are not wanted in animal farming is because we would throw a massive outcry and lynch the closest factory farmer if we saw the way our food is raised by them.

    100 cows that spend all their life in a 40 square foot room locked in a steel cage to keep them from falling over when they sleep, birds chained down and force feed with a pressure hose, pigs that wallows in their own feces while being raised on drugs and dead animals.

    Mad cow disease is a direct result of farmers taking dead cows, freeze drying them then turning those dried out husk into cow feed of all things.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  295. Agent76 says:

    Feb 1, 2020 China Coronavirus: Blame and Coverups

    Who’s to blame for the deadly coronavirus that has spread from Wuhan, China to the rest of the world? High ranking Chinese Communist officials are blaming low ranking officials. Low ranking officials are blaming high ranking officials. And Wuhan residents are being targeted most of all.

  296. @d dan

    kYou missed the mark on this. This is not about accountability of some rogue general to the American public or govt. But about the Chinese reaction towards an attack of this magnitude. USA is using super contagious bio weapons(the premise of this make belief scenario) on the Chinese population centers and China would do nothing?

    Omfg, it was just some rogue general, it isn’t our fault, let us also use this opportunity to shit on China in the English news to shit on the Chinese economy. But hey, we didn’t do it.

    China would do nothing?

    China is a nuclear state. There is a reason why cold war never turned hot.

    If China does nothing in this scenario, it should just bend over with its pants down. It has no sovereignty to speak of.

  297. Slimer says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    “I cannot account for a specific event, but Westerners really don’t understand the East. We use the word ‘pig’ as an insult. To most Asians, that is meaningless. They think pigs are cute, as we do with piggy banks. ‘Monkey’ is the same. No Chinese associate monkeys with blacks;”

    Stop lying

  298. barr says:
    @denk

    India is peculiar It should have more outbreaks given the lack of hygiene The roads streets, colleges ,schools,medical colleges are the natural habitat of dogs mice rats and pigs . But one doesn’t hear of plague ,viral epidemic , anthrax, rabies or flue .
    Explanation could be that Indians are victims of low grade chronic infection. It is also possible that mutation of the virus can kill few but not a lot because of cross reactivity between mutated virus and new virus.
    In China or Japan,unless a virus escapes ( from lab )or jumps ( from foul pig bat snake or rabbit ) or introduced from outside , none gets sick with esoteric viruses but when they get ,they get screwed.

    We will watch how many get seriously ill in Bangladesh Laos India Cambodia or Nepal. If they do get, then we need a different explanation .

    • Replies: @denk
  299. barr says:

    PNAC manifesto—-“…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. ”

    I read this and forgot until some one in moon of alabama posted the intriguing disgusting thought of those recidivist criminals psycho who sat on PNAC and it on something less prominent but equally hellish

    • Replies: @denk
  300. Robjil says:
    @Anon

    It is odd that you mention cats. There was a Simpsons show that predicted people would be throwing their cats away because of a fear of a virus. Another Simpsons show literally uses the name “Corona Virus”. A Scottish article talks about that. In the show, a television screen shows a cat next to large letters of this new disease – Corona Virus.

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/fans-simpsons-convinced-cartoon-predicted-17669528

    Here is a 11/21/2010 Simpson show that predicted a cat flu.

    • Replies: @denk
  301. vot tak says:

    The zionazis strike again:

    Clucking hell! New outbreak of BIRD FLU sees thousands of chickens culled in coronavirus-stricken China

    https://www.rt.com/news/479871-china-bird-flu-coronavirus/

    “The outbreak took place at a farm near Shaoyang city, in China’s central Hunan province, the country’s Ministry of Agriculture announced on Saturday. 4,500 of the farm’s 7,850 chickens have died from the illness, and local authorities have culled nearly 20,000 birds to contain its spread.

    H5N1 is an avian flu virus that causes severe respiratory disease in birds, and is contagious to humans. No human victims have yet been reported, but the World Health Organization (WHO) states that more than 350 people have died from the virus since it first spread to humans in Hong Kong in the late 1990s.

    H5N1 is a far deadlier virus to those who contract it. Nearly 60 percent of H5N1 patients die after contracting the sickness, compared to two percent of Wuhan coronavirus (2019 nCoV) patients thus far.

    Hunan province is bordered to the north by Hubei province, whose capital city, Wuhan, is the epicenter of the current coronavirus epidemic.”

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  302. vot tak says:
    @Amon

    Western capitalism is such a wonderous thing, especially the american version. The banana republic’s banana republic.

    I used to live a couple miles from a cattle feed lot. The stench could be smelled a good quarter mile away. Right next to the lot was a house, presumably the owner of the lot. It was occupied. The smell must have been overwhelming. One wonders how could a human being live in such a place. This in addition to the suffering they nonchalantly inflicted on the animals. Then maybe the things were not human…like the things who run “the west”.

  303. denk says:

    I heard the Chinese are making good progress in developing detector, vaccines and drugs for the SARS2.
    bUT long before this, people were already asking darkly,
    ‘how could they do that so fast, hmmmm’

    Im no microbiologists, but apparently once you decipher the virus structure, working out a vaccine is just a matter of time.
    China’s ability to mobilise huge resource at short notice is legendary [yeah that authoritative regime, that’d be their forte innit ?, [[[they]]] sniff] Th Chinese are throwing everything on this one,’ making a rapid breakthrough isnt impossible, perhaps with the help of their super computer.
    Dont forget they had LOTS of experience fighting unnatural viri outbreak since that race specific bioweapon SARS attack 2003.

    What’s weird though, how could [[[they]]] developed a vaccine before the virus even emerge ???

    The US government has approved the development of a deadly bird flu bioweapon which could infect millions of humans worldwide.

    In 2014, the NIH granted professors Fouchier and Kawaoka more than $600,000 (£458,000) towards their project spreading bird flu between mammals.

    ‘One of the deadliest strains of avian flu circulating today is H5N1,’ Professor Salzberg wrote.

    Fortunately, the virus has never gained the ability to be transmitted directly between humans.

    ‘That is, it didn’t have this ability until two scientists, Ron Fouchier in the Netherlands and Yoshihiro Kawaoka at the University of Wisconsin, engineered it to gain this ability.

    Professor Salzberg rubbished the two scientists’ claims their research would help authorities predict or prevent an outbreak of mutated bird flu in the future.

    He said: ‘We don’t even stockpile vaccines for the normal seasonal flu, because it mutates too fast, so we have to produce new vaccines each year.

    ‘And the notion that anyone can predict a future pandemic strain so precisely that we could design a vaccine based on their prediction is laughable.’

    https://nworeport.me/2019/03/11/us-government-approves-bird-flu-bioweapon-capable-of-killing-millions-of-people/

  304. denk says:

    So [[[they]]] add in the H5N1 for good measure ?

    Latest revision..

    1950 Korean war,
    1959 Tibet,
    1962 Indo./sino war,
    1965 INdon genocide,
    1989 TAM,
    1998 Indon pogrom,
    1999 BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo,
    2001 Hainan spy plane, Chinese pilot died.
    2003 SARS,
    2008 Tibet,
    2009 Xinjiang,
    2013 Bird flu, Asia pivot
    2014 Xinjiang, HK, Mh370
    2018 bird flu,
    2019 HK, Xinjiang, swine flu…
    2020 SARS Mk2, H5N1….

    Ian Fleming’s law…
    p[this isnt a concerted attack] = 0

  305. denk says:
    @Robjil

    MESSAGE HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT

    The satanist cultists believe that as long
    [[[they]]] ‘inform’ their victims beforehand what [[[they]]] are gonna do to them,
    there would be no retribution from gawd.

    • Agree: Robjil
  306. denk says:

    The Deep State….??

    [[[The family]]]

  307. Anon[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @BlackDragon

    India is less likely to have problems because Coronavirus will have a tough time muscling all the other viruses out of the way so it can get at the people. India’s a tough neighborhood for viruses because there’s so much competition.

    • LOL: clickkid
  308. Suprise, Suprise!

    A scientific report from the Kusuma School of Biological Sciences in New Delhi, India, proves the Coronavirus is a man-made bioweapon.

    newswars. com/msm-tries-to-suppress-evidence-that-hiv-delivery-system-is-embedded-in-coronavirus/

    Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program
    Virology institute there has China’s only secure lab for studying deadly viruse

    washingtontimes. com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

    • Replies: @Charlie Seattle1
  309. @KA

    The lie that whites purposely used smallpox blankets to genocide natives continues on…

    If Whites had wanted to wipe out the “natives” we would have done it. Yet, there are 300 officially recognized tribes in the USA which doesn’t include all the non-recognized tribes. And that’s just in the USA…

    The Smallpox vaccine came out around 1798 and the U.S. government had a vaccine plan for the natives as well as the whites.

    You’d think from all the anti-white racism that Europeans created the smallpox disease themselves, although it originated someplace much further East than Europe.

    • Replies: @clickkid
  310. @vot tak

    Damn, it sounds like a viral blitzkrieg on China!

  311. Alfred says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you for that article “Sensor detects, identifies single viruses”

    I have always been looking for faster, cheaper, more accurate tests.

    Many years ago, I got a US patent for preventing infections like HIV. More than 20 more recent patents cite it – i.e. incorporate it.

    It was given FDA approval. Pharmaceutical companies were not interested as it would have killed their business model. You can call me a cynic if you like.

    Method of controlling transmission of defects (Google Patents)

    Obviously, a test for HIV, HPV, HCV etc. that only needed one virus would have put an end to any criticism of the concept. Today, with the internet and mobile telephones, it would work very nicely. 🙂

  312. clickkid says:
    @freedom-cat

    Yeah – they were really spreading freedom and respect for human rights amongst the Native Americans.

  313. denk says:
    @barr

    India is peculiar It should have more outbreaks given the lack of hygiene

    I gotta laugh when Indians like anon and Ivan call Chinese ‘filthy’ !
    In the subcon, they dont use paper in the loo,
    roll roti prata with their hands, then eat with their bare hands too.
    I remember there were cases when health inspectors visited some Indian eateries on random inspection, found traces of feces in the curry.

    The [[[west]]] scream ‘Chinese smog’ 24×7 , yet 20 of the world’s most polluted cities are in India !

    When was the last time you heard about a public health crisis coming out of South Asia. ?

    Fact is, after evolving with the elements million of years, humans have developed a very strong immunity to all the craps in the wild, we can take lots of shits, literally, or anything nature throw at us.

    Clearly this ‘filthy Chinese’ meme doest wash.
    I wince at those commercials selling hand disinfectant, where mom tell the kids to wash their hand with toxic chemicals at the slightest excuse.

    As for Man made virus concocted in one of those Frankenstein labs all over the [[[west]]], now thats a completely different ball game, our immune system does not stand a chance against these alien invasions.

    In China or Japan,…….

    Should’ve added TW to my Asian health chart. above, its also hit by SARS, bird flu.

    During one bird flu attack in China [2013 if Im not mistaken], there’s this animated map on the web, when you click on it, you saw clutters of bright dots spreading out from China to…….Korea, Jp, TW…ETC

    Like I say, looks like an exclusive East Asian affair,. which happens to be the most advanced hub of Asia,.

    racist bugs.
    heheheh

  314. denk says:
    @barr

    PNAC manifesto—-“…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. ”

    I read this and forgot until some one in moon of alabama posted

    I highlighted this race specific bioweapon in the PNAC manifesto many years ago at MOA/

  315. chris m says:

    considering the speed of the response of the Chinese authorities
    in dealing with this epidemic, (very effectively, it seems)
    has anyone considered the possibility that the crisis may have been “engineered”
    by the Chinese just to show the rest of the world, their capabilities in getting on top of something of global importance (in a way that the rest of the world, aka the US, EU presently seems singularly ill-suited of doing.

    (Russiagate,Ukrainegate,Brexit, Russia,Iraq,Iran, etc…….its all one big crisis to them )

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pepe-escobar-chinas-virus-response-has-been-breathtaking

    1.Ghebreyesus for his part could not but praise Beijing for its extremely swift, coordinated response strategy – which includes fast identification of the genome sequence. Chinese scientists have already handed over to Russian counterparts the virus genome, with snap tests able to identify it in a human body within two hours. A Russia-China vaccine is under development.
    2.Apart from crisis management, the speed of the Chinese scientific response has been breathtaking – and obviously not fully appreciated in an environment of Total Information War. Compare the Chinese performance with the American CDC, arguably the top infectious disease research agency in the world, with an $11 billion annual budget and 11,000 employees.

    During the Ebola epidemic in West Africa in 2014 – considered a maximum urgency, and facing a virus with a 90% fatality rate – the CDC took no less than two months from getting the first patient sample to identifying the complete genomic sequence. The Chinese did it in a few days.

    During the swine flu in the US in 2009 – 55 million infected Americans, 11,000 killed – the CDC took over a month and a half to come up with identification kits.

    The Chinese took only one week from the first patient sample to complete, vital identification and sequencing of coronavirus. Right away, they went for publication and deposit in the genomics library for immediate access by the whole planet. Based on this sequence, Chinese biotech companies produced validated essays within a week – also a first.

    • Replies: @denk
  316. denk says:
    @chris m

    You aint seen nuthin yet..

    What’s weird though, how could [[[they]]] developed a vaccine before the virus even emerge ???

    https://www.unz.com/article/coronavirus-the-dark-side/#comment-3693179

  317. denk says:

    [[[They]]] have their wet dream realised now,
    A Global Chinese Exclusion Act.

    Chinese girl taunted ,
    ‘go back to China with your fucking virus’

    Chinese teen assaulted,

    Headline scream…
    China kid stay home

    People avoiding Chinese,…

    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/ZZ/news/20200201/fears-of-new-virus-trigger-anti-china-sentiment-worldwide

    Guess what ?

    We are the pariah of 21C.
    I dont envy being a Chinese anywhere outside China now.

    Guess lots of [[[them]]] would be pleased.

    Been talking about [[[their]]] ‘Global Chinese Exclusive Act’ for a long time, an economic warfare to curb China’s growth, never figure that [[[their]]] aim is to quarantine the entire Chinese race.

    Guess I underestimate [[[their]]] resourcefulness,
    My bad,.

    ———————
    Johnnie Carson, U.S. assistant secretary for African Affairs,

    ‘China is a “very aggressive and pernicious economic competitor with no morals.”

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/hidden-agenda-behind-americas-war-on-africa-containing-china-by-fighting-al-qaeda/5320939

    • Replies: @denk
  318. denk says:
    @denk

    Wouldnt be surprised the virus show up in Africa, some people die, mobs start attacking Chinese people and factories.

    Hey presto,
    Chinese outta Africa in a jiffy….
    Without Africom lifting a finger,
    or may be [[[they]]] do ?

    heheheheh

  319. What is the probability that Big Pharma created the Corona Virus to help boost sales of flu and aids drugs?

    • Replies: @clickkid
  320. @CharlieSeattle

    Yes.

    https://nationalfile.com/scientist-explains-new-study-revealing-coronavirus-may-have-links-to-hiv/
    AIDS consistent protein structures for cellular penetration are evident in CoronaVirus. 93% consistency with HIV viral structures.

    The Chinese have been studying HIV in Wuhan very intensively. All the studies below are from Wuhan or from people who work in Wuhan who were overseas.

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcimb.2019.00069/full
    Chinese have been conducting CRISPR research on the AIDS virus. Actively manipulating AIDS samples and engineering them.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083078
    They studied determinants associated with disease progression and death following HIV diagnosis. CD4 proteins within T Cells are an important factor. These activate immune system response, and are attacked and substituted by HIV.

    What’s really interesting is that the progression profile in this paper actually matches quite well the CoronaVirus, in terms of time of diagnosis, age, and reduction in CD4 proteins within T-Immune Cells.

    That’s really interesting. The Chinese have also confirmed they’ve been using anti HIV medication in patients: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047667/china-coronavirus-beijing-confirms-use-anti-hiv-drugs-some

    Why would you do that, if it’s just an influenza strain? HIV medication is deadly for people who don’t actually have an immune disorder.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article/authors?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030443
    HIV-1 Subtype CRF01_AE – leads to epidemic. So most prolific. Would be interesting to check if Chinese CoronaVirus has CRF01_AE profile.

    Namely, the Chinese were studying specific HIV strains and sub-types leading to outbreaks in China.

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0113736
    The Chinese have been conducting research on scale HIV care models in Wuhan – why? In case there was a breakout? From conducting CRISPR research on HIV?

    The below study is from the United States:

    https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2334-13-250
    It shows that HIV alters RNA expression. RNA regulates expression of genetic code.

    So that’s your basis for opposing any kind of vaccine that will inject HIV samples that moderate gene expression. Because it would be a good thing to quell HIV. It wouldn’t if you got a vaccine that was regulating other genes and genetic expression would it. Perhaps related to attitudes to authority, or just generalized cognitive and nervous system health.

    Well congratulations China and the Jews like Charles Lieber and at 23 and Me and Harvard and the Ivy League and the network Lieber will be revealing as he is water-boarded around the clock, in a just world.

    You’ve apparently created an airbourne AIDS virus that is much more infectious then the flu with asymptomatic incubation and which can swiftly mutate. Which causes ARDS and Pneumonia based Cytokine Storm with AIDS impact on T-Cells

    This is what happens in a world of post-Christian science and scientists.

    The whole world is going to get AIDS because of Jews and the Chinese, and it couldn’t be a more fitting epitaph for paradigm/project GLOBOHOMO.

    Can’t wait to get AIDS. AIDS deserves hugs not drugs, so hug your liberal-progressive friends.

    The real issue here is racism and xenophobia.

    And all the people saying China couldn’t or wouldn’t ever, being so lily virtuous, be involved in this – why was Wuhan conducting CRISPR experimentation on the AIDS virus?

    Is China full of latent homosexuals spreading AIDS?

  321. clickkid says:
    @Charlie Seattle1

    The Chinese have been set up Charlie.

    Read this from Whitney Webb and then come back and tell us what you think:

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/76139/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus.html

    I can’t summarise – it’s best to read it all.

    • Replies: @kidclick
  322. clickkid says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Approximately 0,1%

    Is that near enough for you or shall I add a couple of decimal places?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  323. @Charlie Seattle1

    Wuhan’s Level 4 lab is utterly different from our Ft. Detrick and similar labs, which are surrounded by thousands of acres of land and protected by many gates and checkpoints using elaborate, layered security access.

    Wuhan is for analysis of existing disease strains and vaccine development–not bioweapons. That’s why it’s located in the city.

  324. @Charlie Seattle1

    The answer to the question why Chinese are trying HIV meds for this new coronavirus is quite straightforward, you really do not need any conspiracy theory. Here is my comment from a different thread:

    The new coronavirus is quite similar to the SARS coronavirus. Research suggested that HIV meds could be potential treatment for SARS as early as in 2004. Some HIV meds seem to have broad-spectrum anti-coronavirus activities. So it’s no surprise at all that Chinese want to try HIV meds for this new coronavirus too.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15144898

    A broad-spectrum anti-viral drug that was developed to treat Ebola (and failed) is also being repurposed for the new coronavirus. It doesn’t mean that the new coronavirus was created by genetic recombination with Ebola!

    https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/31/21114176/coronavirus-treatments-universal-vaccines-china-outbreak

  325. denk says:
    @Anon

    Westerners are tired of China’s behaviour.

    Nature abhors a vaccum,
    The [[[west]]] loathes the Chinese…

    How [[[they]]] celebrated the CIA/MI6 orchestrated culling of ethnic Chinese
    in Indon 1965…

    Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt,

    ‘With 500,000 to a million communist sympathisers knocked off,’ ‘I think it’s safe to assume a reorientation has taken place.’

    What might that ‘reorientation‘ be to warrant rubbing off three millions souls and getting the whole [[[family]]] in ecstasy ?

    James Reston

    ‘ The savage transformation of Indonesia from a pro-Chinese policy under Sukarno to a defiantly anti-Communist policy under General Suharto is, of course, the most important of these developments’

    Sir Andrew Gilchrist, the British ambassador in Jakarta

    I have never concealed from you my belief that a little shooting in Indonesia would be an essential preliminary to effective change,”

    ,

    British FM Michael Stewart

    great potential opportunities to British exporters” that were on offer from a new regime, so Britain should “try to secure a slice of the cake”.

    Marshall Green, US ambassador

    The US is generally sympathetic with and admiring of what the army is doing.”

    Robert J Martens, political officer in the US embassy

    ‘It was a big help to the army,’. ‘They probably killed a lot of people and I probably have a lot of blood on my hands, but that’s not all bad. There’s a time when you have to strike hard at a decisive moment.

    Time

    ‘The West’s Best News in Asia

    US News and World Report

    ‘Indonesia: Hope . . . where there was once none’.

    New York Times columnist James Reston

    ‘A gleam of light in Asia

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Commentator Mike
  326. @Commentator Mike

    Very good point… If they can afford to pay for their illegal transit they could start their own business. But I think a lot of them do it on an IOU basis that they have to work off in their new illegally entered country. But yeah as long as Vietnam keeps up similar growth in the next 20 years – we won’t see that. Just like we don’t really see it from China anymore.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  327. BYD says:
    @Biff

    And you know why those “Global Warming” or “Climate Change” Hoaxers never mentioned planting more trees?

    Because it works!

  328. denk says:
    @denk

    The same [[[west]]] which has been launching a blitzkrieg to take down China….

    Evidence has come to light that US operations against the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei and the arrest and detention of one of its top executives, Meng Wanzhou, to face criminal charges of fraud brought by the US Justice Department are the outcome of a coordinated campaign by the intelligence agencies of the so-called “Five Eyes” network.

    In the months that followed “an unprecedented campaign” has been waged by the five members of the network “to block the tech giant Huawei from supplying equipment for their next-generation wireless networks” which has now led to the arrest of Meng in Canada

    China was far ahead in preparing for 5G which requires more base stations than existing networks and had almost 2 million cell sites in early 2018, ten times the number in the US. According to the Deloitte consultancy there are 5.3 sites for every 10 square miles in China compared to 0.4 in the US.

    These figures make clear the reason for the ferocity of the US economic war against China. It fears that its economic and military supremacy is under direct threat and is determined to take all measures considered necessary to counter China’s rise.

    Jeffrey Sachs.

    The arrest of Meng Wanzhou, he wrote, “is a dangerous move by US President Donald Trump’s administration in its intensifying conflict with China. If, as Mark Twain reputedly said, history often rhymes, our era increasingly recalls the period preceding 1914. As with Europe’s great powers back then, the United States, led by an administration intent on asserting America’s dominance over China, is pushing the world towards disaster.”

    The US actions against Huawei were part of an “economic war on China, and a reckless one.”

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/12/14/huaw-d14.html

    How reckless ?
    Its playing out now in plain sight.

    Hey Karl the USN guy,
    Why’s that P8 flying sorties like there’s no tomorrow, is something big brewing in SCS,
    Dont leave us in suspense ??

  329. kidclick says:
    @clickkid

    Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor

    Most importantly, we report the first recorded isolation of a live SL-CoV (bat SL-CoV-WIV1) from bat faecal samples in Vero E6 cells, which has typical coronavirus morphology, 99.9% sequence identity to Rs3367 and uses ACE2 from humans, civets and Chinese horseshoe bats for cell entry.

    That paper is from a 2013 Issue of Nature magazine.

    The Chinese declared that they had made the first live SL-Cov virus sample, as described there, in Wuhan.

    Dual-Function research of the kind apparently collaboratively pursued according to Whitney Webb by elements in the United States and China makes redundant designations like ‘military’ or ‘vaccine research’. They are one and the same.

    But there you have the Chinese claiming the first engineering of a live virus sample using Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 from people and bats and civets. In 2013. Was that the CIA? Were those Chinese in Wuhan working for the CIA? Who knows.

    But you have at least the possibility give this that ACE-2 had nothing to do with ‘targeting Asians’.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2

    It looks like most research in the West related to ACE-2 is linked to Cardiovascular disease.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/asia/china-cia-spies-espionage.html

    China annihilated, so we’re told, American agents in China years ago.

    Is the United States a monolith? Or China?

    If Webb is correct and there was collaboration between US and Chinese elements on this research, the implications are interesting. Because such collaboration ostensibly would be against the national interests of both countries would it not? Or would it? All very complex. No doubt both the Chinese and Americans are seeking answers. Charles Lieber’s incredible and unprecedented arrest gives an indication of one angle.

    I don’t know any answers, and I wouldn’t make attributions I’m just a scared non-entity trying to understand what is happening.

    But what I do know is that the Chinese claimed the first engineered engineered ACE-2 CoronaVirus way back in 2013.

    And national interests aren’t the only interests.

    If China were trying to make a vaccine it would make zero difference the purpose of the samples if any escaped from a BSL-4 facility. That’s probably the most benign scenario that may have occurred here.

    In any case, it looks like the whole world is going to be in for a very difficult time.

    Spurious claims of targeting ‘Asians only’ will be offset by white western blood.

    Everybody needs to keep their head and work collaboratively to contain the virus, regardless of it’s genesis which no one will be able to pinpoint for certain, except maybe Lieber’s interrogators, maybe.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  330. @kidclick

    kidclick,

    China annihilated, so we’re told, American agents in China years ago.

    Obviously not completely as events in Hing Kong show.

    Spurious claims of targeting ‘Asians only’ will be offset by white western blood.

    Let’s hope they stick to eliminating CIA and other Five Eyes agents instead of taking it out on English teachers and others living and working there.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Showmethereal
  331. @denk

    It seems most new US coronavirus cases are in Ron Unz’s neighbourhood:

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/02/02/second-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-santa-clara-county/

    If it is confirmed that only Chinese (or Asians) catch, and die from, this disease, despite others being exposed to it, that’ll be your confirmation that this is a race oriented viral attack. I’m no big fan of the Chinese but I wish them no ill either. If this is as you suspect, then the US are truly more evil than the Nazis.

    • Replies: @denk
  332. onebornfree says: • Website

    Food for thought:

    “On its face, such measures appear – purely from the vantage point of public health issues – reasonable. However, economic theory suggests the possibility that extreme measures such as sealing off a city, a travel ban or quarantines may actually make things worse.”

    The Coronovirus Pandemic Citywide Quarantine Scam
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2020/02/onebornfrees-special-scam-alerts-no-128.html

    Regards,onebornfree

  333. aandrews says:

    The first paragraph of your comment doesn’t jibe with the meaning behind the language used. Reference to monkeys was intended as a slur, and that’s how the African guys, in both scenarios, took it.

    The remainder of your remarks I appreciate. However, when confronted with information like the following below, “I’m different” is completely insufficient to describe my response and, I hope, any civilized person’s response. People who do that (openly, I must point out; it looks like a street scene) are obviously humans, but what kind of humans? What kind of culture condones that? (Keep in mind about the bat thing: the bats are cooked (boiled) alive; I’ve scene the “recipe” in text and it parenthetically stresses doing so as key.)

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10858283/terrified-dog-yelps-as-it-is-barbecued-alive-in-vile-chinese-street-market-in-shocking-clip-released-by-campaigners/

    “In one piece of footage, which The Sun Online has decided is too graphic to share, a person pours boiling water over a skinned dog.”

  334. @aandrews

    AA,

    I don’t know who you were replying to, but I looked at that documentary, and enjoyed it very much.

    Reference to monkeys was intended as a slur, and that’s how the African guys, in both scenarios, took it.

    But the black guys talking together in the tent called the Chinese “pigs”, and this is how many others who have experience of them, such as the Malay races in Southeast Asia also call them. So-called “racism” is widespread everywhere and most people in the world don’t make a big deal of it, or just express it behind the back instead of in your face. The West is not the rest and there’s a whole different world out there.

    Just to point out that African guy who was the star of the film – his intelligence must be an outlier as he spoke at least four languages, including Chinese, fluently and narrated the movie in Chinese flawlessly (I suppose so as I don’t speak Chinese, but it seemed so as the Chinese guys understood him and didn’t correct him).The Chinese guy still commented to him that he was lazy, but I guess he was just depressed about the sorry state of his nation and tired of having to explain how things were with his people. Something that is frustrating when working in multicultural teams is that the speed of your undertaking will be determined by that of the slowest in the chain, much like the slowest step in a chain reaction, so trying to push it and work hard at being fast and efficient won’t have much effect on the overall outcome, and that is something I think that black guy understood better than the Chinaman. I wonder of they brought over more Chinese workers from PRC to get the job done, which was the fear of that one local businessman who was trying to spread more work and income among the locals, as the way it was going it seemed like it could take forever, and not the way Chinese tend to get things done.

    • Replies: @aandrews
  335. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Let’s hope they stick to eliminating CIA and other Five Eyes agents instead of taking it out on English teachers and others living and working there.

    [[[CIA/MI6]]] have refined their dirty work to an exact science by now.
    Their M.O. in infiltration is legendary.

    IN tiny HK alone, US has more than 1000 diplomats spooks in their embassy safe house.UK another 700 !!!

    Then there’r the ‘NGO’s, churches, teachers,
    judges, unis…..which are all pro ‘democracy’ , pro FUKUS , sinophobes.

    IN sHORTS, UK handed back a gawd damned trojan to China in 1997 !

    You do remember Brian Kern ?
    One of the gweilo field commanders directing op on site in HK,

    He was a teacher in the ‘prestigious’ HK
    college WHICH cater to the upper class.
    Apparently he spent lots of time conducting’ extra curricular classes on …...human rights. [sic]
    [No doubt its all about evil China vs virtuous west, that kind of stuff …]
    !
    IN fact, he was a teacher in China before
    being kicked out for engaging in similar
    skulduggery

    China’s open up under Deng Xiao Ping
    brought in much needed investments and gawd know lots of flies.

    You can bet there’s an army of agent provocateurs, sleepers crawling all over China with a day job for cover.
    .

  336. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’m no big fan of the Chinese

    They bought up your entire neiborhood
    perhaps ?

    but I wish them no ill either

    I gather as much.

    This set you apart from many whiteys here, who support fukus genocides on the Chinese simply cuz they dont like Chinese immigrants.

    that’ll be your confirmation that this is a race oriented viral attack. I’m no big fan of the Chinese but I wish them no ill either. If this is as you suspect, then the US are truly more evil than the Nazis.

    SARS was race specific, a pic speaks a thousand words !

    https://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1812.cfm

    The current attack is not sure as yet.

    evil FUKUS

    tHIS is just tip of an iceberg…

    Most Americans don’t realize how heinous our own government has been in its foreign policy

    http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27c/080.html

    Most here have been duly informed,
    doesnt seem to bother them a bit tho.

    P.S.
    Somebody should do a post autopsy on Charley Reese,

    Even duckduckgo is getting weird these days,
    ??

  337. @denk

    My main experience is from Southeast Asia, much like Jeff Striker’s, where I watched how the Chinese minority operates, much like Jews in the West. I don’t personally have anything against the Chinese, but it’s further study that showed me some negative aspects. Also if I was a local in Southeast Asia, I’d rather work for an American or western company than for a Chinese or a local run one, the conditions of work, safety, pay, etc. tend to be better. Also I don’t like crowds and huge megacities like Hong Kong, Guangzhou, etc. as I prefer the small town European lifestyle. But Macao is one of my favourite cities out there as it’s not so big and isn’t so crowded except on weekends when the Hong Kong and Guangzhou gamblers come over in droves.

    You could be right about western agents in China in different professions. Private foreign universities especially would be promoting the globohomo human rights ideology, as well as importing African, Arab, etc. foreign students to their campuses.

  338. Luca says:
    @SoItBegins

    You are right: what does the nerve agent, novichok, have to do with the virus, coronavirus? Luca

  339. aandrews says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Dammit! I meant that in response to “Ayatollah Smith”.

    #299
    Ayatollah Smith says:
    February 1, 2020 at 5:53 pm GMT • 200 Words

    I submitted the comment once, thought better of it and deleted it, was in a hurry, reconsidered and submitted it again and goofed up and didn’t link it to the target comment. Now ya know. I think as many people as possible need to know what these animals do to animals, as it were.

  340. @aandrews

    What’s your point? Chinese psychopaths are worse than psychopaths in other places? Does it really need proof that psychopaths are equally cruel and evil everywhere?

    • Replies: @aandrews
  341. Anon[686] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    2200%, not 220%.

  342. Erebus says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    And Godfree, I don’t want to see my comments anywhere else in print with your name on them. Okay?

    Amen

  343. Dear Godfree Roberts,
    I found your article most informative. I translated it into German and would like to publish it on our website https://deutsche-mitte.de/ . “Deutsche Mitte” is a small political party in Germany which is neither right nor left, wants to make politics more ethical.
    Would you please give your permission?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  344. aandrews says:
    @last straw

    All psychopaths aren’t equally cruel and evil everywhere. You’ve probably worked for a few.

    • Replies: @last straw
  345. Chinaman says:
    @denk

    He was a teacher in the ‘prestigious’ HK
    college WHICH cater to the upper class.

    Yeah, CIS…that’s my alma mater and my kids are studying there. Basically a British boarding school when I was there. Then the Americans infiltrated it. That school is a 5th column and a CIS base now.

    • Replies: @denk
  346. Adûnâi says:

    @Godfree Roberts “142,000 Americans died due to pharmaceutical drug use in 2016, but that’s not news, either
    But 100 Chinese–mostly born during WWII, malnourished and carrying a heavy disease burden–have died from a novel virus and that’s an epidemic?”

    Two simple words (that nobody has uttered yet): herd immunity.

    What a joke of an article. Do you believe China would have gone into a full panic mode without sufficient reasons? This article is almost as bad as outright lies (ignoring reality is quite similar to lying) – yesterday I saw a Russian conspiracy video by Vavilov on DenTV claiming the Chinese officials to have quarantined Wuhan on January 6th without an order from the CCP… Yeah, pure lies, 400k views. But this is just as bad.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  347. Adûnâi says:
    @aandrews

    “The remainder of your remarks I appreciate. However, when confronted with information like the following below, “I’m different” is completely insufficient to describe my response and, I hope, any civilized person’s response. People who do that (openly, I must point out; it looks like a street scene) are obviously humans, but what kind of humans? What kind of culture condones that?”

    Do you consider Romans less cultured than modern sodomists? FLY, Romans used to crucify folks along the roads, and their roads were decently long.

    What’s wrong with burning dogs alive anyway? They bark in a funny way when boiled, LoL.

    I am no Christian, but I subscribe to the humane (from HOMINES:SAPIENTES, not modern faggoty “humanism”) supremacist view that Man is the master of the Earth (although Nature is ultimately higher, and Man is subservient to her, Nature is not animals – that is the crucial mistake NS made).

  348. clickkid says:

    If this outbreak had occurred in the US, it is very likely that nobody would have noticed it.

    Tens of millions of Americans have no health insurance. Tens of millions more have such high deductibles that they just don’t have the cash to pay medical bills.

    For these people, it would take something really big to get them to the doctor and flu symptoms just don’t cut it. Many of the deaths would have been among the homeless and other marginalized groups, and thus essentially invisible,

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  349. @Commentator Mike

    They didnt eliminate agents in Hong Kong because that would violate the Basic Law as it stands. Hong Kong hasnt passed the National Security law (Article 23) that it is supposed to. So the irony is that the rioters arguments in Hong Kong is that Beijing is going against the Basic Law to be false. That is the silliness of politics. Though once the US Congress passed the nonsensical democracy bill – China sanctioned US NGO’S.. But yes the people behind the riots will do anything to prevent the National Security law. They will lose their ability to infiltrate so easy.

  350. @aandrews

    The worst kind of psychopaths, who engage in intentional animal torture and cruelty (IATC), and probably have the potential to become rapists, murders, and serial killers, are indeed as bad as anywhere. For example, we have this British man who microwaved his pet rabbit:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/what-drives-people-to-torture-animals-9844721.html

  351. clickkid says:

    One more thought on why westerners are so shocked by the actions of the Chinese state in imposing quarantines and other measures we have seen.

    Because we in the West are so used to incompetent, ineffective and half-hearted government, that it does indeed shock us to a see a decisive, determined and well-funded government acting with such swiftness in the public interest.

  352. MEH 0910 says:

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  353. denk says:

    To recap…
    A timeline,
    ===================
    1997
    William Cohen warned about ‘OTHERS using race specific bioweapons’ against the ‘free’ world.

    [MORE]

    PNAC highlighted in its ‘to do list’,
    ‘Race specific bioweapon which can transform it from the arena of terrorism into a useful political tool’

    2001-2003
    Many top microbiologists specialising in ‘gene manipulation and DNA sequecing’ were suicided or murdered

    2003
    SARS hit mainland China, HK, Singapore, TW, SEA Chinese communities, worldwide casualties exclusively Chinese !!!

    Chinese lawyer Tong Zeng recalled FUKUS and Jp collecting large samples of Chinese DNA during the 90’s, ostensibly for research.
    ==================

    2011
    NIH sponsored scientist Ron Fouchier wanna publicize how to DIY weaponising H5N1
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/alarm-as-dutch-lab-creates-highly-contagious-killer-flu-6279474.html

    2011
    Hillary warned about ‘danger of genetic bioweapons attack from AQ’ [SIC]
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/advances-in-genetics-could-create-deadly-biological-weapons-clinton-warns-531347.html

    2012,
    CDC insiders predicted a pandemic crisis in the next year,

    ‘Gerstein made an alarming prediction during his presentation, stating that “we expect a pandemic by the end of 2013.” One must wonder how Gerstein could possibly pinpoint a timeline for a pandemic, which is generally seen to be the result of unpredictable microscopic events. Unless, perhaps, he has a hand in creating one.’

    https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html

    2013
    China hit by H5N1 bird flu,

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

    ==================
    2014
    NIH sponsored scientist Ron Fouchier publicised enhanced method of weaponising H5N1

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/04/10/301432633/scientists-publish-recipe-for-making-bird-flu-more-contagious

    ===============
    Jun 2017

    murkkan Scientists publicized their research on …
    weaponising H7N9

    How To Kill A Whole Lot Of People: Scripps Scientists Publish How They Made H7N9 Virus More Transmissible
    https://csglobe.com/scientists-made-h7n9-virus-transmissible/

    The scientists themselves who were conducting the specific research on how they made H7N9 virus increase its rate of human transmissions are already publicizing it.

    More than that, they are also studying specific strains from different locations on Earth, so that a gene, or race, specific attack can be made possible.

    The viruses being experimented upon “have been collected in at least 28 countries in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.”

    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

    2018
    China hit by H7N9
    almost wiping off its poultry industry.
    =======================

    2019
    China hit by swine flu,
    Pig farms nation wide were sprayed with swine flu virus by armies of professionally modified drones. !

    China forced to buy pork from US again !

    ==============================
    2020 jAN
    Bill Gates warned about ‘global pandemic’.

    2020 Feb,
    China hit by SARS2, AND H5N1

  354. denk says:
    @Chinaman

    Someone upload samples of HK text book online, I couldnt believe what I saw !

    They practically copy and paste from [[[western]]] media to slander China as a threat to those ‘virtuous democracies’.

    OMFG !

  355. denk says:

    The real deep state ?

    I never heard of the family until about 45 mins. ago. I was surfing netflix and came across the mini-series. What I have read about this “family” scares the crap out of me!

    Meet The Family, a wasp xtian satanist cult embedded right at the core of murkkan power, who counts Ghengis Khan, KIng David, Suharto [Clinton’s our kind of guy] as its ‘heroes’.

    ‘In Donald Trump, The Family found their Wolf King, a man who will not lie down like a sheep. Rather, he is a biblical-style bully who represents the epitome of muscular Christianity by devouring the meek. Inserting their long-time soldier Mike Pence into the Trump orbit, The Family ensured this wolf would advance their capitalist Christian agenda.

    While the majority of leaders connected to this clan claim the Republican label, the series points to Bill and Hillary Clinton and other like-minded neoliberals who are connected to Coe and who praise the work of The Family. Included in this mix are progressive thought leaders who build their platforms and publishing deals based on their public veneer as a new kind of Christian, a warrior willing to do battle against those Bible believers who back a Trumpian theology.

    But as The Family demonstrates, these progressive Christians are equally complicit in supporting the structure that placed Trump into power. Anyone who participates in the National Prayer Breakfast, the Fellowships’ congressional prayer breakfasts, or some other Family-friendly gatherings cannot claim they are engaging in “bridge building.” In practice, they’re doing The Family’s business by continuing Vereide’s legacy, utilizing the name of Jesus to advance the interests of industry titans

    Trump, Pence, Clinton…
    https://thehumanist.com/arts_entertainment/culture/the-family-more-gilead-than-godly

    Ghengis Khan,
    https://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2009/07/10/washington-dcs-the-family/

    hillary suharto…
    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2016/08/03/the-coe-cult-the-donald-election-scam/

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106115324

  356. @Muggles

    Muggles – I agree. The Unz Review seems to have attracted so many sensationalists with all kinds of ideas that everything is rogue. Just who is this “godfree”. What are his credentials.
    The Unz Review still has many smart, terrific writers but the numbers of far fetched writers and responders has increased.
    This column screams out about “blame the USA for every bad thing that goes on”. Are the blamers disciples of the modern radical leftist Democratic party?

    • Agree: SBaker
  357. SBaker says:

    As you read the below abstract from an Indian journal recall too, the Chinese Institute of virology is in Wuhan, China. ”
    We are currently witnessing a major epidemic caused by the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019- nCoV). The evolution of 2019-nCoV remains elusive. We found 4 insertions in the spike glycoprotein (S) which are unique to the 2019-nCoV and are not present in other coronaviruses. Importantly, amino acid residues in all the 4 inserts have identity or similarity to those in the HIV- 1 gp120 or HIV-1 Gag. Interestingly, despite the inserts being discontinuous on the primary amino acid sequence, 3D-modelling of the 2019-nCoV suggests that they converge to constitute the receptor binding site. The finding of 4 unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV, all of which have identity /similarity to amino acid residues in key structural proteins of HIV-1 is unlikely to be fortuitous in nature. This work provides yet unknown insights on 2019-nCoV and sheds light on the evolution and pathogenicity of this virus with important implications for diagnosis of this virus.”

    Where did this new virus come from? Reading a few comments, I am surprised at the level of ignorance.

    • Replies: @Lost american
  358. SBaker says:
    @niteranger

    People who downplay this Virus by comparing this to past epidemics are clueless. No matter where the virus came from biolab or by the proximity and culture of these street animal markets. This is “Fat Tailed Event” because of the uncertainty of the probabilities. You cannot assume anything and the systems are not at zero state nor are they the same as in previous outbreaks of microbes. The probabilities projected are like “Game Theory Statistics” and have no validity for these types of environments.

    It’s like the hacker who has to only be right one time to break in out of thousand attempts to take down the system. There is also the population density compared to previous outbreaks. This is why immigration of any sort must be controlled and this will be a real problem in the future.

    Not one response to a pretty insightful comment here. This is a new pathogenic virus. The certainty of where it came from is unknown, but 75% of new diseases are zoonotic. There is more than speculation that this virus was engineered with inserts from the HIV virus. The opinions expressed on this site are not science, but mostly just wild speculation and snake oil.

  359. @SBaker

    S Baker- your comment is instructive and I will check for myself. It is fascinating that you indicate the HIV- truly interesting. I had courses in virology many years ago but virology was only a small part of what I learned. I am not saying the writer of the article is wrong. His claims that 500,000 died due to Vioxx- I would definitely need to see where he got such numbers as they do not coincide with what I learned (and I like to go full steam ahead on researching topics).
    Over the years I repeatedly saw well intentioned writers stating that one million Iraqis died related to the initial US invasion of Iraq in 2003 yet the best numbers I could come up with relate to a Johns Hopkins study where they indicate 18,000-35,000. I knew very well that the one milion tickles the hearts but it is ridiculous.

    Thus far this corona virus is 96.5 % related to a bat species. I will check for myself about this HIV 1 stuff and make sure it is not a mistake or a fabrication.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  360. I’m sure this isn’t your area of expertise, but the death rate is being calculated incorrectly here.
    You are calculating it from the percentage of those currently infected. 600 is roughly 2% of 32000. But the people dying are not the population that is being infected today, or even last week. It takes weeks for the novel Cornavirus to kill. The correct comparison is to the size of the population that was infected two or thee weeks ago. The infection total is exponential, roughly doubling every week. So the death rate for the population of two weeks ago is at least 8%. It is often remarked that exponential are not intuitive and few people reason well with them.
    This 2% is all over the internet, but that does not make it right. You are probably just repeating that number.

  361. SBaker says:
    @Lost american

    Where did the Vioxx claim come from? That was not the subject of the article?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  362. @Adûnâi

    Do I believe China would have gone into a full panic mode without sufficient reasons?

    Far from it. I agree with Valerie Van Kerckhove: “I actually find the response by the Chinese government to be extremely interesting. It seems like it’s overblowing the matter on purpose. Considering the low number of cases (compared to China’s population) and low death rates, it feels like the Chinese government is overblowing fears on purpose, with maps filled with dark areas and shutting down everything everywhere (and this is during China’s most important holiday season).

    “I suspect it’s practicing for when a Really serious disease breaks out, the sort with people dying like flies. So I find all this fuss quite interesting. We’ve been warned about a potential superbug outbreak for years, and now we can see how the response will look like. No doubt the Chinese government is busy taking notes on what it could have done better.

    “I don’t think most Westerners realize just how big Wuhan is, just how significant Chinese New Year is in terms of people moving around and just how many people go in and out of those wet markets every day. That’s like, tens of thousands of people leaving the wet markets, taking public transport then going home to expose all their visiting relatives, and all those people in turn going to all sorts of crowded areas too. With a high enough contagion rate, we’d easily be at 1 million infected. The fact that we haven’t reached such numbers means that this virus isn’t That bad.”

  363. @MEH 0910

    An exceedingly dishonest narrative. Here’s what really happened:

    1. Li was a junior Ophthalmologist at a Wuhan hospital.

    2. Li overheard an unfounded rumor that SARS had broken out again.
    3. Li did not inform the CDC who, unbeknownst to him, were already investigating it.
    4. Instead, Li used social media to repeat the rumor to family and friends and they told their friends….

    5. Li was wrong professionally: it was not SARS, as he asserted in his tweets.

    6. Li was wrong legally: spreading rumors Publicly that are likely to cause panic is illegal.

    7. Li was not convicted of anything. After an hour of questioning the police concluded that he had merely acted irresponsibly and he was allowed to return to work.

    8. The US, which has been waging bio warfare on China since 1951, unleashed its media—the same media that lied about WMD.

    9. NONE of the media investigated the rumors.

    10. NONE of our media contacted the CDC.
    11. NONE of our media accurately reported Li’s encounter with the police.

    12. NONE of our media told the public that, worldwide, the outbreak will kill fewer people than die of ‘flu (a Coronavirus) in one day.

    It is, like 99% of stories about China (Russia/Cuba/Venezuela) it’s bullshit.

  364. @SBaker

    It came from an article Ron Unz wrote and republished on this site.

  365. Do we know for sure that everyone who has been identified as having caught this virus, or died from it, has actually tested positive for coronavirus? We do read that they’re monitoring temperature and then quarantining people based on that. But surely one can get a fever from a myriad of other illnesses. I have read of someone who was once identified as having had SARS just based on high temperature and location of travel origin. So if anyone who catches a fever and is from Wuhan or PR China, or has been in close contact with such, is now identified as potentially having coronavirus … is it so? Doesn’t seem very scientific, although I suppose it is precautionary. So yeah, is it as bad as they say?

  366. Jajk says:

    Trump ordered blackop chinese would not
    have done this. Over1 million infected at least 100000 dead ww3 about to begin no place to hide

  367. MEH 0910 says:

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