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Two years ago I wrote, “What is Wrong With White Women?” This still true:

Women are more ethnomasochist than men. Protesters who complain about “white silence” — the most idiotic slogan at Black Lives Matter protests — are almost always white women. White women — young and old, fair and homely, around the world — especially lack a racial consciousness.

Making their behavior even stranger, the Left doesn’t even reward white women for being renegades. Instead, Leftists constantly complain that they are insufficiently woke, hopelessly white, and draw too much attention from black rappers — all at the expense of black women. Maybe that’s why there is a mental health crisis among white women — especially young liberal ones.

I grew up in a fairly white and very liberal city before attending an almost all white and very liberal college. The data above do not surprise me. They should be talked about widely and with the same seriousness as porn or opioid addiction. To date, the best examinations of this problem have been in film. These five movies explore females angst, tinged with madness, in very moving ways.

A Woman Under the Influence (1974)

Generally considered John Cassavetes’ masterpiece, A Woman Under the Influence perfectly captures the frustrations and uncertainties of caring for someone in constant psychological distress.

Silver Linings Playbook (2012)

Fresh out of inpatient treatment for bipolar disorder, Pat Solitano (Bradley Cooper) falls for the recently widowed Tiffany Maxwell (Jennifer Lawrence), who suffers from her own, more vague, mental problems. The movie manages to be fun and funny without trivializing the travails of its characters. The scene in which the two bond over the nightmare of finding effective prescription medicine without serious side effects is hilarious because it’s honest. Mrs. Lawrence’s role in this film her the 2012 Academy Award for Best Actress, and rightly so.

Fourteen (2019)

The best depiction of millennial ennui I’ve ever seen.

Swallow (2020)

Hunter Conrad (Haley Bennett) is young, recently married, and isolated as a homemaker in upstate New York. One day, she develops pica, a disorder the compels people to eat things other than food. The film gets stranger from there. It’s an interesting movie, and has gorgeous cinematography, but cultural conservatives may want to skip it.

Four Good Days (2020)

This movie is tied with Ben is Back (2018) for best film about the opioid crisis. Four Good Days follows a mother’s last attempt to get a daughter clean and sober, and reminds viewers that drug abuse is linked to mental health and family disintegration. It’s a meticulous and brutal drama.

Dishonorable Mentions

There are plenty of duds in this genre. Be sure to avoid these: Sybil (1976); Frances (1982); Girl, Interrupted (1999); The Piano Teacher (2001); Secretary (2002); and Nymphomaniac (2013). However, the short story Secretary is based on is quite good, along with all the others in Mary Gaitskill’s excellent book, Bad Behavior.

(Republished from American Renaissance by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Arts/Letters • Tags: Hollywood, Mental Health, Movies, Women 
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  1. You’re being a gentleman and barely surface scratching.
    I’m not sure if that’s good or bad.
    One thing is for certain,more needs to be said.
    Could be the real virus,…or do you say pandemic?

  2. anonymous[270] • Disclaimer says:

    Was the intent of this article to talk about mental illness among Caucasian women, or to shill some Hollywood slop? Disingenuous title.

  3. awry says:

    Women are not loyal. They are natural traitors to the males of the tribe, if they sense that they are weaker than the other tribes’ males.

    • Agree: martin_2
  4. The essential issue is that white men, especially obese Trump voters are terrible physical and intellectual specimens. I never had an issue getting a relationship when I desired one prior to my first marriage, and had the foresight to dump her when she became a pill-addicted head case like Jennifer Lawrence in SLP.

    Any success I had in the states was doubled when I became tenured university faculty here in China. At age 32 I slept with no less than 260 women at my university from 2016-2017. I did this all as a Hillary and now Biden voter with Trump derangement syndrome who supports every far left, anti-white politician as long as they make it a point to combat Trump voters with retaliatory legislation.

    Women are only as loyal and as submissive as you are attractive. Not every white male was designed to reproduce or have a wide. Leave it to us blonde, 6+ft liberal Wisconsin boys. Our forefathers whipped the Dixie women into shape in Atlanta with Sherman, and we conquer the world’s women too.

  5. Anonymous[159] • Disclaimer says:

    The irony is that Hollywood is patronizing the white females whose lives it previously ruined with nonstop subversion of all that should matter to a woman. This is so much the case that, according to Hollywood (and the media, of course), the extermination of white children through abortion or, say, transgendering ones little boys, is taken by white women as the highest fulfillment of their womanhood and not its extinction.

  6. I loved “Silver Linings” and started to tear up again watching the trailer. If I recall correctly, Lawrence’s character went crazy when her policeman husband was killed in the line of duty. People who haven’t suffered from mental illness probably won’t get it. It is REAL and can’t be overcome with the power of positive thinking. Many of us have going thru a medley of drugs in hopes of finding the right cocktails. Drugs can help some, but most with mental illness will never fully escape it. Victims used to be shunted away in insane asylums. Many were lobotomized until recently.

    Our society’s growing mental health crisis is due to a SICK society, with Covid-scam exacerbating the problem. But it is not just a Girl Problem. All millennial Whites (especially) are affected to greater or lesser degrees, but this sinking ship of a country will never recognize them. To the democrats they will always be White Supremacists living with White Privilege. It’s leaders from sick-man Biden, on down the line, are more concerned with giving reparations to blacks. Their message to Whites: just shut up and pay your taxes.

  7. @Supply and Demand

    Nothing is more disgusting than a lyin’ amoral braggart. If what you say is true, you’d better hope that these pumped and dumped Chinese girls don’t report your behavior to their fathers and brothers. They’ll come after you HARD, and I don’t think you’d like the results. You’d better self-deport back to the States if you know what’s good for you.

  8. @follyofwar

    My wife is the daughter of an outer party security bureau minister here in Liaoning. Their complaints have and had fallen on deaf ears. Women answer to the tallest, most fit male in the room now, and forever.

    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @Angharad
  9. @Getaclue

    Condoms are your friend.

    • Agree: Joe Paluka
    • LOL: 36 ulster
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  10. @Supply and Demand

    Hahahaha. Totally stupid statements like that prove you’ve never copulated and do not even have a GED degree, you utter cretin.

    • Agree: Joe Paluka
    • LOL: Truth
  11. I think I’ll avoid all the film suggestions like the plague.

  12. @Supply and Demand

    If you’re telling the truth that you slept with 260 women in China in one year, you probably have psychological issues. Such behavior isn’t normal. If I were you, I’d consider getting professional help.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
  13. White men aren’t any better.

    Just look at how much White men fawn over Black athletes, rappers, and entertainers.

    If you meet a White female “mudshark” who likes Black men, it’s usually because the White men around her (father, grandfather, brothers, male cousins, male classmates) are always talking up the awesomeness of their favorite Black celeb.

    Most White men don’t care if you insult their religion, family, or ancestors. However, if you say one bad thing about their favorite Black NFL “sports hero,” they’re ready to “beat your @ss.”

    LOL.

    Watch this 2-minute trailer below. It perfectly represents the mentality of most White men.

    Imagine if White men stopped watching sports and started focusing on issues that actually matter (like immigration). Where would this country be today?

  14. Gore 2004 says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    You have to understand that the NFL and culture in general would be nothing without Black culture.

    Tom Brady, Joe Montana, Brett Favre would be nothing without Black NFL players, etc.

    John Stockton would be nothing without Karl Malone.

    Black culture is what drives America’s culture. Period.

  15. @Joe Paluka

    Yeah,where on earth, ( or in China) do you find 280 good-looking China girls??

    • Thanks: Angharad
    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  16. @Gore 2004

    What you mean is Jewish culture uses Black culture as a weapon against White culture.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  17. I’ve been watching white women being systematically driven insane my entire adult life. First, we were told by the hipper free love folks that “Hey, it’s just a ring!” No, ladies, you don’t need any frickin’ ring! No pretty wedding dress for you! No piece of paper!” But gay people desperately need legal marriage because Reasons. Then Feminism, Inc. jumped in and told us, “Yes, you too, ladies, can be a complete whore and nobody will think the less of you! We have your back!” But they didn’t, not really. They lied when they told us that abortion was an easy thing, it didn’t hurt, if you feel bad later it’s Christianity’s fault, no worries. They lied. It destroys women, whatever you think about whether or not fetuses are human beings. Then they told us that every single thing we thought was “feminine” was inferior and we all needed to start doing stuff that men do better than us. Certainly giving birth was beneath contempt. Instead of telling us that getting married and having a baby was wonderful, they told us it was depressing. Then they, whoever they are, and I have a few guesses, finished us off: after convincing women that sex with men who didn’t love them was a good thing, they managed to convince ordinary girls to pose nude, then be in homemade porn to put online. And all the rest of us who actually did have a baby get to compare our bodies after childbirth with every slutty 18-year-old from a broken home who got abused by her stepfather on the entire face of the freaking earth! Oh, I totally forgot about young guys getting addicted to this trash porn online, and then to top it off, this whole trans fiasco, in which women are now being told they aren’t even a real thing anymore. So, yeah, white women have been driven nuts.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Angharad
    , @Corvinus
    , @Rosie
  18. EddieK says:
    @Gore 2004

    I agree with you completely. This is why normal people should abandon professional sports

  19. Angharad says:
    @follyofwar

    Why would we want a diseased race traitor whore like that back?

  20. Angharad says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Men ARE supposed to lead, and protect. Thei Blaming of The Wite Ahman is soooo tiresome and pathetic. White men have failed, for CENTURIES, to preserve and protect their own kind. White women have been left to fend for ourselves and hung out to dry. Where were the MEN? Where are they NOW? So now the detritus are blaming us.

    J’refuse.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Anonymous
  21. Angharad says:
    @Supply and Demand

    So you married a yellow insect. You are disgusting filth. The sooner you die the better.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    , @Truth
  22. @Bardon Kaldlan

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I guess. I know a guy who has never dated or married anything but east Asian women, but has a new one every couple of years and I know another guy who loves obese women and eventually married one. The latter seems to be happy, while the former seems to be a rolling stone when it comes to relationships.

  23. @awry

    There have been exceptions. Southern women, even after the defeat of the CSA, remained, with some exceptions, of course, loyal to their menfolk.

  24. @Angharad

    Worse — I married a yellow person after having been married to a white woman and having a white daughter with her!

    I dare say my current wife does a better job of instilling white values in my daughter than my ex-wife did. My wife is forcing my daughter to learn an instrument and play Air on G-string like she can. My ex-wife has no idea who Bach is. She prefers Alanis Morisette.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  25. Rosie says:
    @Angharad

    Men ARE supposed to lead, and protect. Thei Blaming of The Wite Ahman is soooo tiresome and pathetic. White men have failed, for CENTURIES, to preserve and protect their own kind. White women have been left to fend for ourselves and hung out to dry. Where were the MEN? Where are they NOW? So now the detritus are blaming us.

    So true. This shitstain Chris Roberts is either a liar or an ignoramus. With friends like this sowing division among Whites, who needs enemies? There is no evidence whatsoever for his claim that women are especially masochistic or lacking in racial consciousness. Rather, the evidence points the other way:

    https://occidentaldissent.com/2018/08/19/new-survey-what-exactly-does-a-white-nationalist-look-like/

    White men care about two things: muh wallet and muh dik. White male billionaires will do nothing for their kind. There are literally like 400 of them, and not a single one supports White advocacy: NOT EVEN ONE!

    Even if you assume FSA that women are more susceptible to guilt-trips about race, nothing we have ever done has caused nearly as much harm as the White man’s treacherous greed. White men exhaust the blood and treasure of the nation with useless wars and imperial overreach, outsource their jobs, import non-Whites to replace them, etc. And, of course, my personal favorite:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-military-china/u-s-military-comes-to-grips-with-over-reliance-on-chinese-imports-idUSKCN1MC275

    I guess this is awry’s idea of “loyalty.”

    Oh, and this:

    This antiwoman thing has been so thoroughly debunked that even Anglin has moved on, but the Amren whores won’t give it up. I suspect their (((donors))) won’t let them. I understand not naming the Jew because optics or something, but then turning around and insulting, repeatedly, half the White race clearly indicates that Jared Taylor is someone’s bitch.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: Angharad
  26. Rosie says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    So, yeah, white women have been driven nuts.

    But then, if White men are so calm, cool, and collected while their race is being destroyed, what exactly does that say about them?

    It’s almost like they don’t GAF or something.

    • Agree: Red Pill Angel
    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  27. @Rosie

    The solution would get us arrested as terrorists. The State has lots of money to bribe whites into arresting and executing other whites.

    The democratic State is like private insurance: all the incentives are for collective neglect and private fraud. Unlike private insurance, the State doesn’t kick bad actors out of the risk pool and doesn’t have to compete for good risks.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  28. Rosie says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    The solution would get us arrested as terrorists. The State has lots of money to bribe whites into arresting and executing other whites.

    True, but the problem is this: According to the misogynist assclowns of the dissident right, when White men betray their race, they’re responding to incentives. When White women betray our race, we’re doing what comes naturally, because we have no racial consciousness, unlike men who are naturally racially loyal but betray their race anyway, or something.

    • Replies: @Kidd_Gallahad
  29. Truth says:
    @Angharad

    Ruh-Roh, Aldey and Rosie have another recruit!

    • Replies: @Angharad
  30. AceDeuce says:

    Ironically, White women are blissfully clueless (I could stop right there and the sentence could stand by itself, but I’ll elaborate):

    Clueless (among other ways) in that they don’t realize that non-Whites, both male and female, hate White women far more than they hate White men. Far more.

    FWIW: I thought that Silver Linings Playbook sucked more than any movie in the history of sucky movies that suck. I don’t play video games, but I’d damned sure buy a game that mashed up SLP and the Saw/Hostel films, if it allowed me to elaborately torture the SLP characters. Can anyone get the ball rolling on developing that before Xmas? Thanks.

  31. @Supply and Demand

    No doubt you’re a good looking guy, but so am I (just not blond) and OH! a conservative Republican voting, gun toting Trump supporter who votes for every anti-freedom leftist they have the opportunity to. I have been a bon vivant with women of many races as well. Yes, Chinese girls are extraordinary in so many ways.

    But I found out after a while (about the age of 32) that many women expect more than just a fling and one night stand. You make no mention of the women whom you may have given emotional problems to or at least left emotionally hurt and socially mistrusting of the next guy who showed an interest in them.

    Maybe you self centered, leftist, liberal, Pwogwessive boys from the upper midwest are the reason for so many white women being sent to mental treatment facilities as per the stats posted above?

    Could be.

    And your forefathers were more likely to have been shitbombed (know what that means?) by Southern girls than accepted by them. Unless your ancestors were rapists.

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Thanks: Angharad
  32. Anonymous[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Angharad

    White women have been left to fend for ourselves and hung out to dry.

    Well, not exactly.

    Your statement is true, of course.

    However, the Feminist assertion that men are oppressing women is enthusiastically taken up by women — yourself and Rosie being examples.

    How do you expect a stable marriage if you regard the overwhelming majority of men to be consciously oppressive? Could it be that there is something to the idea that almost all women pursue the top 10% of so of men, who consequently must (from sheer arithmetic) turn down almost all of the women who go pursue them? What about the idea that this 10% have to be very nearly sociopaths or well meaning fools to succeed in a declining civilization based on deception such as the US from about 1942?

    Can’t you do anything but complain and betray?

    Without going into details, I come from a line that has had nothing but men loyal to and working for their wives and children, usually in dangerous and exacting but high income careers of various sorts. I’ve seen almost nothing but women spoiling men’s careers, and destroying the men’s children, usually through acts of treachery that are so destructive to the man and woman and family that they would be impossible to believe had I not seen them.

    I’ve also seen marriages with a 20 point IQ difference between husband and wife, higher IQ to the wife. They seem to work out fairly well, the woman seems happy, and typically she is a housewife.

    Something is going on here, and I don’t quite understand it. It isn’t simple Marxist oppression. It’s as if women’s jealousy has been turned loose on men’s achievements, perhaps by feminism. Whatever it is, it is independent of the women themselves, and knows no bounds. It is the kind of hatred that one would expect from somebody who’s family has been killed before their eyes.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Angharad
  33. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    How do you expect a stable marriage if you regard the overwhelming majority of men to be consciously oppressive?

    I have never said anything remotely like that, ever. Indeed, I have repeatedly stated that the overwhelming majority of White men have no desire to reverse most feminist policies. Hence the need to clearly and strictly separate White advocacy from reactionary antifeminism.

    Could it be that there is something to the idea that almost all women pursue the top 10% of so of men

    Absolutely not. There is no evidence whatsoever for this bizarre claim, and a great deal of evidence against it, not least that most young women are married or cohabiting by their mid-20s. Therefore, it is mathematically impossible that they are pursuing the “top 10% or so of men.”

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/109402/age-24-marriage-wins.aspx

    Without going into details, I come from a line that has had nothing but men loyal to and working for their wives and children, usually in dangerous and exacting but high income careers of various sorts. I’ve seen almost nothing but women spoiling men’s careers, and destroying the men’s children, usually through acts of treachery that are so destructive to the man and woman and family that they would be impossible to believe had I not seen them.

    It stands to reason that you have seen women behaving badly. I assume that’s why you oppose feminism as you do. The question is why you believe your experience to be representative or typical when so many men disagree with you.

    Something is going on here, and I don’t quite understand it. It isn’t simple Marxist oppression. It’s as if women’s jealousy has been turned loose on men’s achievements, perhaps by feminism. Whatever it is, it is independent of the women themselves, and knows no bounds. It is the kind of hatred that one would expect from somebody who’s family has been killed before their eyes.

    This is a very bizarre statement. The truth of the matter is that there is no hatred of men that comes anywhere near the hatred antifeminists constantly spew at women. I have never heard a woman say that men shouldn’t be allowed to vote, let alone marry a person of their own choosing, etc. I recently challenged Mr. Unz to find a feminist contributor that hates men as Anglin has said he hates women, you know, for balance. Needless to say, no such contributor has materialized.

    Probably because this rabid, man-hating feminist is a mythical beast that doesn’t actually exist.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  34. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Rosie

    Your post is another example of my thesis: you end with:
    “Probably because this rabid, man-hating feminist is a mythical beast that doesn’t actually exist.”

    which is hardly an attempt at a common ground. It is simply another attack.

    Something has destroyed cooperation between men and women. I maintain it’s the inability of men to support women, and the propagandizing of women to attack men and, competent or not, to take jobs that men could use to support women.

    Women have fallen for this propaganda so strongly that as of now, women can be told by men that women don’t exist, that the term “woman” has no definition, that anybody who says women exist should be silenced — and the women simply accept this idea and keep quiet. Such plasticity brings into question the entire idea of women having independent ideas. “Women” as a class are being played just as much as Blacks in urban vote farms, which are much like Hell, are being played.

    I might add that men are also being played. The idea of women as needing attention and constant reassurance of the marriage bond has been strongly discouraged among men. Much of the discouragement comes from individual feminists. Apparently most young women want to be loved and taken care of, and certainly men are as discouraged from realizing and supporting this as the young women are discouraged from pursuing their felt goals.

    This situation is not good for men or women, but all I see is women playing attack dogs — as you have done. That doesn’t help a man to build a strong marriage and a successful career, which is needed to raise children. All it does is to remove any protection from society in general and the “sisterhood” of other woman that marriage can offer the attacking woman.

    The OCEAN method of personality classification [1] consistently shows one difference between men and women: N, “neuroticism”, which in English means propensity to worry. Women worry more than men. Destruction of the family and of shelter from women’s society (which is controlled by men, it seems) would worry anybody, and is perhaps responsible for the mental cases presented in Robert’s movies.

    Perhaps women should realize that attacking men produces no good result under current conditions. Or, perhaps, women should attack the group of men claiming that the term “woman” has no definition except the group’s definition. Neither course seems likely to be followed.

    1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @ZOG
  35. Angharad says:
    @Supply and Demand

    All of that is YOUR fault, you Race Traitor COWARD.

  36. Angharad says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t regard White men as “oppressing women”. I regard White men as UTTER FAILURES in their chief role as PROTECTOR. For CENTURIES. White men have been doing EVERYTHING ELSE but protecting their own kind for centuries. I do regard the White Race as the Creative Race. But when you are buggering off to explore parts unknown, and inventing this and inventing that, whilst hostile, malicious aliens invade and take over everything – EFF your “inventions”.

    I’m not outraged by men being there – I’m OUTRAGED at White Men being MIA. For NOT BEING THERE. FOR CENTURIES. And then blaming Da Wite Wahmen for being crazy and out of control. That’s what I mean by being abandoned and hung out to dry.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  37. Angharad says:
    @Truth

    Yawn. That’s not a rebuttal.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  38. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Your post is another example of my thesis: you end with:
    “Probably because this rabid, man-hating feminist is a mythical beast that doesn’t actually exist.”

    which is hardly an attempt at a common ground. It is simply another attack.

    I challenge you to find one single feminist who maintains that men should not be allowed to vote, own property, control their own wages, etc. Or that men “don’t have independent ideas.” Go ahead. Just one.

    Of course, if you could fine one, she would be an outlier, but you can’t even do that.

    Something has destroyed cooperation between men and women. I maintain it’s the inability of men to support women, and the propagandizing of women to attack men and, competent or not, to take jobs that men could use to support women.

    The fact that you cannot secure a relationship on terms acceptable to you is your own personal problem, not evidence that men and women no longer cooperate. Most first marriages between close-in-age, educated spouses endure and produce children.

    If you’re concerned about the decline of marriage in the lower social classes, you might consider taking a look at what greedy men have done to our manucturing base. Women haven’t taken those jobs, desperate third-world wage slaves have done so.

    The vast majority of women continue to pursue traditionally feminine occupations. There are over 3 million nurses in the country, almost all of them women. The enlisted military population is half that number, almost all of them men. Do the math.

    Women have overtaken men in medical school as they have in law school, but even there, women tend to specialize in lower-paid internal medicine while men continue to dominate higher-paid surgery, trauma, etc where resilience under stress is particularly important.

    Women have fallen for this propaganda so strongly that as of now, women can be told by men that women don’t exist, that the term “woman” has no definition, that anybody who says women exist should be silenced — and the women simply accept this idea and keep quiet.

    Remember when Steve King was censured? Had all the men who voted for that also “fallen for the propaganda” about “racism”? No, they were intimidated into silence. Why do you expect women to be more courageous than men?

    all I see is women playing attack dogs — as you have done.

    In case you hadn’t noticed, it was Mr. Roberts who started this thread by posting an obnoxious as well as mendacious article. Why should I pull punches?

    would worry anybody, and is perhaps responsible for the mental cases presented in Robert’s movies.

    Thanks for your concern, but women are doing fine. Everyone gets sick sometimes, and they go to a doctor to get better. Men tend to view mental illness as something different from physical illness. It is a total and permanent personal defect, not a temporary and manageable if not curable malady. You can’t get a diagnosis if you don’t go to the doctor to begin with. Therefore, Mr. Roberts statistics tell us nothing about women’s and men’s comparative mental health. On the other hand, men are more likely to kill themselves or get addicted to drugs. Maybe if they got therapy they could develop some better coping skills.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  39. Rosie says:
    @Angharad

    Truth is a black leftist troll. He wasn’t attempting a rebuttal, just cracking a joke. Believe me, it’s lonely here, I know, but not all men here are your enemy. Indeed, lots of them agree with you, though they won’t say so for fear of being called “White knight” or “simp” or some such epithet of abuse.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Angharad
    , @anon
  40. Rosie says:
    @Rosie

    Women have overtaken men in medical school as they have in law school, but even there, women tend to specialize in lower-paid internal medicine while men continue to dominate higher-paid surgery, trauma, etc where resilience under stress is particularly important.

    And I note FTR that if women didn’t train for careers, we’d be derided as lazy parasites. These manosphere misogynists will always find a reason to hate, no matter what women do.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  41. Truth says:
    @Rosie

    Truth is a black leftist troll.

    LOL, well 2/3 ain’t bad, C’s = degrees!

    Supply and Demand, Anon, Kid Gallahad, You guys got your rear bumpers WHIPPED by the Feminibots… AGAIN. These debates are really one sided, I mean, the fact that you are race-traitors speaking out against race-trating doesn’t help but anyway…

    I know what you are going to have to do there’s only one option;

    Your only option is to find some Energon Cubes and find a way to form a Combiner to overcome their superior (mental) firepower. I even have the perfect name for you…

    CONTRADICTORR!

    • Replies: @Angharad
  42. Angharad says:
    @Rosie

    Hello, Rosie!

    Thank you for your consistently thoughtful, intelligent, and feisty commentary!

    It’s sad isn’t it?

    I know a lot of terrific men IRL, and also gents online. The hatred directed at women in general, and White women specifically, is despicable because it’s just SO weak. I know men who are secure in their masculinity and abilities, and no matter how they actually regard women, they don’t exhibit the DESPERATE need to trash women. It’s pure PROJECTION, and the ones that do come across as pathetic, very incompetent fools.

    I’m a woman and I know how horrid women can be. Blaming Women Race for our present disastrous state of affairs, besides being weak and pathetic, is simply factually incorrect.

    Sorry fellas – the true blame lies in generations of White men who foolishly, wantonly, and treacherously threw away our People for their own greed and egoism.

    • Thanks: Rosie
  43. Angharad says:
    @Truth

    You are a Negro Leftist troll? You are also a pathetic incel.

    • Replies: @Truth
  44. Truth says:
    @Angharad

    Technically a “vocel.” Broads get coy with me about seeing the Mamba surprisingly often, considering it is mid 60’s vintage.

    The blonde who owns the house next door got tired of being flirty and coquettish to no avail, so she moved a white “contractor” into her guest house.

    Good for her, It’s not exactly what she wants (wink), but the other day I noticed Buford was fixing her fence.

    • Replies: @Dream
  45. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    And yet more attacks. I’m reminded of a line from the Dune series, to the effect that without the Spice the Bene Gesserit [1] would be just a bunch of complaining women.

    First, the initial end to wage growth was not from immigration, it was from a doubling of the workforce (outside of the dangerous jobs) by entry of women into the work force. I remember that, that and the women’s demand to dominate the work force and their attempt to turn it into their home.

    Second: There is a lot more to marriage than having men solve your problems. To put it very clearly, if the men have to solve _your_ problems, they have not time to solve _their_ problems, and your income vanishes. Further, men can’t take care of children nearly as well as women, so your children vanish along with the family income.

    Do you want to arrange things so that women can stay home in a personally owned house or long term apartment, raising the children into people who can survive as adults, keeping the books, and having control over the family income stream?
    If not, it’s hard to see what you are complaining about.
    If so, you are going to have to support the man enough that he can generate the income stream and take care of the part of raising children that men do have to do — being the family authority figure. Constant complaints simply destabilize the family.

    One small correction: Wage stagnation in the US was not due to immigrants. It occurred at the same time that women’s entry into the job market doubled the labor force, and the phrasing of “women’s rights” cases became identical in form to that form of civil rights cases — “Group A has been dominant historically, and is harming Group B”. This wage stagnation was the reason that large companies favored Feminism, and simple arithmetic shows that it made the family far less possible, in that family requires that the woman run the family and the man go to get income. Feminism reversed that for perhaps half the jobs, and families became more rate and much more difficult.

    1] From “good arguers”, as in “To argue well is the end of logic”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  46. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    First, the initial end to wage growth was not from immigration, it was from a doubling of the workforce

    I’m not sure how you presume to know this. Women didn’t enter the workforce en masse over night, and I don’t know how you can rule out the possibility that many fewer women would have done so but for wage stagnation, along with desegregation, which increased the cost of affordable housing in “a good school district.”

    Second, even if women’s entry into the workforce did put a stop to wage growth, it would seem that said fact makes men’s behavior in outsourcing for even cheaper labor that much more reprehensible. Indeed, it suggests that men’s demand for ever-cheaper labor is insatiable, but then we already knew that, didn’t we?

    https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery#:~:text=However%2C%20many%20consider%20a%20significant,slave%20ship%20Sao%20Jao%20Bautista.

    (outside of the dangerous jobs) by entry of women into the work force.

    Here again, women are damned if we do and damned if we don’t. You hate women who avoid dangerous jobs, and you hate women who demand equal access to said jobs.

    the women’s demand to dominate the work force and their attempt to turn it into their home.

    By this, I assume you are referring to women’s reasonable expectation to not be subjected to foul-mouthed locker room talk and sexual harassment while attempting to earn an honest living. Cry me a river.

    Second: There is a lot more to marriage than having men solve your problems. To put it very clearly, if the men have to solve _your_ problems, they have not time to solve _their_ problems, and your income vanishes. Further, men can’t take care of children nearly as well as women, so your children vanish along with the family income.

    Do you want to arrange things so that women can stay home in a personally owned house or long term apartment, raising the children into people who can survive as adults, keeping the books, and having control over the family income stream?
    If not, it’s hard to see what you are complaining about.
    If so, you are going to have to support the man enough that he can generate the income stream and take care of the part of raising children that men do have to do — being the family authority figure. Constant complaints simply destabilize the family.

    I assume this is your attempt to justify the idea that women should work all day and all night, whereas men should get to work only during the day and then get waited on hand and foot in the evening while ordering everyone else around.

    There are some men who are, IMO, reasonable in expecting this. Roofers who work in 90° weather, surgeons subjected to constant, intense stress, etc. But if you’ve been sitting on your ass in an air-conditioned office all day, while I’ve been on my feet chasing toddlers, you can make your own damned sandwich. Come to think of it, put on your apron and cook me a hot meal.

    This wage stagnation was the reason that large companies favored Feminism, and simple arithmetic shows that it made the family far less possible, in that family requires that the woman run the family and the man go to get income. Feminism reversed that for perhaps half the jobs, and families became more rate and much more difficult.

    Here, you fail to take account of the fact that homemaking is a full-time job only for a relatively small portion of a woman’s adult life. If we’re too old to have kids at 30, as manosphere maggots are fond of claiming, your first-born can babysit after school by the time your 40, at the latest. That leaves 25 years till retirement. How many children do you want couples to have?

    I am a stay-at-home mom of six kids. I love it, but not everyone can have this lifestyle. It wouldn’t be sustainable in an era when infant mortality is extremely rare. That said, I certainly don’t oppose measures to make it more feasible for as many as possible, to wit: progressive taxation that reduces the net benefit of a second salary (usually the woman’s), along with strong alimony and child support rights that encourage women with high-earning husbands to stay home, freeing up more high-paying jobs for breadwinner (usually men).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. Truth says:

    . If we’re too old to have kids at 30, as manosphere maggots are fond of claiming,

    Slight correction here, Rosie; not too old to have kids, too old to be of any use to a white-man as a significant other… Unless you’re Asian, then the Age ceiling is, apparently 45.

    … And yet, in any event, still not allowed to be a “mudshark”, even though to a white man you are a useless and obsolete product…

  48. Anonymous[241] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Apologies for the delay — I’ve had a few high priority time limited tasks.

    Women didn’t enter the workforce en masse over night,

    Yes, they did. The initial feminist media campaign made very many woman try to enter the workforce, and the quota requirement that half the workforce should be women pretty much closed off hiring and promotion for men.

    I assume this is your attempt to justify the idea that women should work all day and all night, whereas men should get to work only during the day and then get waited on hand and foot in the evening while ordering everyone else around.

    1) A house and family are a reward that not everybody gets. Complaining that it takes work to make it good (“women should work all day and all night”) is simply missing the point.
    2) The idea that men should get to work only during the day is a far cry from anything I’ve seen anywhere. The usual is that men work during the day and are then given the house and the kids by the wife when they get home. Among other things, this wears the men out enough that they fail at work.

    Typical stories:
    Last place I worked, it was with a fairly young liberal arts guy, whose wife did this to him. Their young kid was an absolute nightmare, I thought because he had been sent to childcare from an early age and it badly hurt him. The liberal arts guy worked very hard at believing he had a good marriage, and a good son, but that didn’t make the beliefs real.
    Yet another person there, a bit of a strange one but with a good income, had married a mail order Russian wife whose son by a previous marriage accompanied her to the US. The son was running a cell-phone racket and marijuana sale racket out of the man’s house. The man had convinced himself that these were minor problems.
    Yet another person, a woman this time, had never married. She was an alcoholic and very fat woman, took frequent days off when she drank too much, and died during a hip replacement surgery. The people at work held a very favorable wake for her, for what that’s worth, pretending that the “office family” was a substitute for a real family.
    Etc.

    That’s the truth behind the work issue: horror and decay.

    I am a stay-at-home mom of six kids. I love it, but not everyone can have this lifestyle. It wouldn’t be sustainable in an era when infant mortality is extremely rare. That said, I certainly don’t oppose measures to make it more feasible for as many as possible, to wit: progressive taxation that reduces the net benefit of a second salary (usually the woman’s), along with strong alimony and child support rights that encourage women with high-earning husbands to stay home, freeing up more high-paying jobs for breadwinner (usually men).

    First, congratulations. Not many women could handle 6 kids; I hope they all turn out well and treat you as a mother should be treated after the kids mature and form their own families.

    With a below-replacement fertility rate, there is plenty of room for more mothers like you. As for the long term, well, the long term right now is chaos, and R strategists do better than K strategists in chaos time.

    However,

    progressive taxation that reduces the net benefit of a second salary (usually the woman’s), along with strong alimony and child support rights that encourage women with high-earning husbands to stay home, freeing up more high-paying jobs for breadwinner (usually men)

    is unlikely to get the results you want. Since most filings for divorce are by women, stronger (if there be such things) alimony laws would likely increase divorce rates. If lower income decreases family formation, than penalties on a second income would decrease family formation. OTH, women tend to prefer men who are physically present see” https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/military-divorce/why-is-the-divorce-rate-for-military-so-high.html , so one would expect women who are able to see their man when he isn’t working would tend to stay married.

    Change of subject. Let’s try re-phrasing my original point to:

    Women in a marriage do not consider men’s interests projects as important. In particular, your “men should get to work only during the day and then get waited on hand and foot in the evening while ordering everyone else around” exemplifies this attitude. Men’s affairs are of little importance and are (under Feminism) simple attempts at oppression (so keeping house is oppression, earning a living it not)

    This can have serious repercussions whenever a man tries to take his wife’s view into consideration. Ordinarily, the wife has no interest in whatever the man is trying to do, even if it lies within her professional and experiential background, and will give a random answer, just to get rid of him. The random answer utterly fails.

    Here’s Karen Strahan’s view on that, from a decade ago:

    Even Karen Strahan vastly underestimates the size of the problem of women not taking men seriously. The problem has cost my family something on the close order of a billion dollars (yes, 1 with 9 zeroes after it) in just one instance of several.

    You can act as though men’s affairs are of no importance to you (perhaps because you see them as exploitation, “being waited on hand and foot”), but you can also expect to live in poverty because of it.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  49. Rosie says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, they did.

    No, they didn’t.

    It was a change that took place over a generation, and many women still choose to stay home.

    https://www.dol.gov/agencies/wb/data/facts-over-time

    2) The idea that men should get to work only during the day is a far cry from anything I’ve seen anywhere. The usual is that men work during the day and are then given the house and the kids by the wife when they get home. Among other things, this wears the men out enough that they fail at work.

    Then you need to be clear about what the hell it is that you want.

    is unlikely to get the results you want. Since most filings for divorce are by women, stronger (if there be such things) alimony laws would likely increase divorce rates.

    So you want women to leave their whole financial future in the hands of their husbands who are free to walk away scot free whenever they damned well please. That is completely fucking unreasonable. When women file for divorce, they are, on average, 10 years older than they were when they met their shitty husbands. Do you think women cherish the idea of growing old alone? Do you think we’re not aware that we are less likely to remarry than divorced men? On what basis do you assume that women who file for divorce don’t have a good reason?

    Since you took the liberty to share your personal experience, I’ll share mine: Every single divorce I have been close to has followed the exact same pattern. The husband is a total jerk, and after years of desperate pleading for better treatment, the wife finally throws in the towel.

    Women in a marriage do not consider men’s interests projects as important.

    Good grief. Sorry, but your hobbies have to take the back seat when you have little ones. That this has to be explained to you is an indication of your male chauvinist sense of entitlement.

    Men’s affairs are of little importance and are (under Feminism) simple attempts at oppression (so keeping house is oppression, earning a living it not)

    You men love to brag about how good you are at math, but you seem totally incapable of putting those extraordinary quantitative abilities to work in a simple calculation of fairness. It’s really simple: You don’t get to come home and sit on your ass all evening because you “worked all day.” Why? Because your wife has “worked all day” too, very likely as hard or harder than you. What do you not understand about this?

  50. White women — young and old, fair and homely, around the world — especially lack a racial consciousness.

    I’ve known many white women with a racial consciousness. Some were conscious of their Irish race, others of their Italian race, yet others of their Scandinavian or Finnish or Slavic race. It’s hard to find their Anglo-Saxon counterpart, though.

    My wife’s loyalties keep vacillating between her French-Canadian race and her Norwegian one. Throw in my German, English, and Celtic races, and our kids are all confused. Such is racial mongrelism.

  51. @Rosie

    When women file for divorce, they are, on average, 10 years older than they were when they met their 💩 husbands.

    Choose a better one. If such men weren’t rewarded with progeny, they’d soon vanish from the race and the earth. Indeed, their frequency varies among national populations, suggesting that some societies have this figured out already.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  52. Mrs. Lawrence’s role in this film…

    Mrs Moroney. Evidently she married Bony.

  53. Dream says:
    @Truth

    You don’t live in a black neighbourhood?

    • Replies: @Truth
  54. Dream says:

    Judging by the high race mixing rates, there won’t be any white race left 100 years from now. Western civilization is going to be inherited by Africans, Asians and Latin Americans.

  55. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Choose a better one.

    No res. You know damned well shitty men pull the ole bait and switch on women. They’re kind and attentive until they feel they need longer need to be, at which point they become indifferent or even cruel. I know you want women to bear all the risk of family formation, but we’re just not fucking doing that anymore. Ted Bundy’s girlfriend on how her parents thought he was the bee’s knees:

    Indeed, how far would you like to take this whole blame the victim routine? Got ripped off by Bernie Madoff? Pick a better one! Your surgeon left a scalpel in your insides? Pick a better one! Your house burned down because of bad electrical work? Pick a better one!

    If men don’t want to pay alimony, all they have to do is be nice to their wives, as they promised in their wedding vows. You can reward women who choose traditional lifestyles with dignity, status, and economic security, or you can STFU when they decide to look out for number 1.

    As for the claim that alimony incentivizes divorce, it’s total bullshit. When women file for divorce, they usually do so when they are younger and won’t get alimony anyway, and even if they did, would lose it on remarriage or when they have “rehabilitated” themselves as is now expected, thanks to radical feminists who want to do away with stay-at-home motherhood.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/emmajohnson/2014/10/27/are-you-a-stay-at-home-mom-facing-divorce-dont-expect-alimony/?sh=5439ceb667a9

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  56. Anonymous[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    Bye, Rosie.

  57. @Rosie

    I know you want women to bear all the risk of family formation…

    The risk is shared. There is a reason arranged marriages fare better. It’s not so easy for a green young man to bait-and-switch her parents. Not even for his parents to.

    As for the claim that alimony incentivizes divorce…

    Never made that claim. Civil marriage enables divorce. Protestantism enables civil marriage. Blame it on William Bradford, Hefner’s ancestor.

    …thanks to radical feminists who want to do away with stay-at-home motherhood.

    You appear to share their belief that when he leaves, it’s his fault, and when she leaves, it’s his fault.

    If men don’t want to pay alimony, all they have to do is be nice to their wives…

    “If [wo]men don’t want to [be abandoned], all they have to do is be nice to their [husbands]…”

    You and Whiskey deserve each other!

    • Replies: @Rosie
  58. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The risk is shared. There is a reason arranged marriages fare better.

    They don’t fare better at all. Go look at how women are treated in “traditional societies” and tell me if that’s what you’d want for your daughter. Or maybe you know of some Utopia on planet Earth where men are free to act as they please but are kind and loyal to their wives, anyway. Go ahead, tell me where this Utopia is to be found on an actual map of the world that exists in reality rather than your head.

    Never made that claim.

    Good.

    You appear to share their belief that when he leaves, it’s his fault, and when she leaves, it’s his fault.

    That is precisely what I believe, because that is what I have seen happen over and over again for my entire life. (Why exactly do you think women become feminists?) Indeed, the very facts of life suggest that I am right. Every second a relationship continues, a woman’s sunk costs are greater than a man’s. That means that he naturally has more power than her in the relationship. The whole point of the institution of marriage is to preserve a semblance of a balance of power in a marriage as time goes on. The whole point of gathering rosebuds is not to be left with nothing after all. In other words, the point is to CONTROL MEN. THERE I SAID IT! If you deny this fact, then WHT don’t you tell me what exactly the point is. It certainly has nothing to do with paternity. We have DNA tests for that nowadays.

    Cue calm and reasonable Rosie. Of course, I acknowledge that my own experience is limited, unlike the manosphere loudmouths around here. As such, I endorse traditional fault-based divorce. Let the chips fall where they may. No divorce without a finding of fault on the record, for the whole world to see. That way, we’ll have objective data and can make sound policy based on that rather than Whiskey’s second-cousin’s buddy who dindu nuffin but got the shaft because muh biased courts boo hoo.

    Of course, your manosphere buddies might not like the results!

    http://readme.readmedia.com/National-Organization-for-Women-NYS-Decries-No-Fault-Divorce-Bill-S3890a-A9753a/1432647

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Jeff M. Smith
  59. @Rosie

    Why exactly do you think women become feminists?

    Since feminism is strongest in the US, its birthplace, followed by the rest of the Anglosphere and the Nordic world, it follows that we are the worst husbands in the world. That’s been my position for a long time.

    Go look at how women are treated in “traditional societies” and tell me if that’s what you’d want for your daughter.

    Yet our men are worse than theirs. Funny how that works.

    The whole point of the institution of marriage is to preserve a semblance of a balance of power in a marriage as time goes on.

    Exactly. The point is not to protect women from men or vice versa, but to protect the good actor from the bad, the responsible from the irresponsible. And the society from broken families and the resulting chaos.

    As such, I endorse traditional fault-based divorce.

    So do I. As a New York native, one of the few points of pride left for my birthplace is that it held off no-fault until 2010, decades after any other state. (IIRC, even the Wall Street Journal mocked the state for waiting so long, though I may be confusing it with the NYT.)

    Every second a relationship continues, a woman’s sunk costs are greater than a man’s.

    The ultimate “sunk cost” is having to care for someone else’s child. Except for the extremely rare hospital mix-up, this is not much of a risk for women. “Momma’s baby, Papa’s maybe.”

    • Replies: @Rosie
  60. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Since feminism is strongest in the US, its birthplace, followed by the rest of the Anglosphere and the Nordic world, it follows that we are the worst husbands in the world. That’s been my position for a long time.

    Utter nonsense. The reason feminism is strongest here is precisely because we have the best fathers in the world, who long ago embraced feminism for the wellbeing of their daughters!

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2007144

    Exactly. The point is not to protect women from men or vice versa, but to protect the good actor from the bad, the responsible from the irresponsible.

    Quite, but to those who maintain that women being the most likely to file for divorce means we are to blame, I would suggest they get up out of theor armchairs and do some actual work. Consider that male dumbasses are far more dysfunctional than female dumbasses. As such, they are more likely to get addicted to drugs, drink excessively, go to prison, etc. Moreover, these behaviors are concentrated in certain communities.

    For the purposes of the marriage market, these men don’t exist. No, actually, it’s worse than that. They create a how-low-can-you-go race to the bottom, wherein a man is considered a catch if he smokes marijuana and sits on the couch all day, because at least he’s not running the streets all hours of the night. Young women are forced to compete with each other for mates by being “nice,” i.e. not “nagging” him to cut the grass or otherwise do something to justify his worthless existence.

    Maybe these women should know better and stay single, but if they did, I have no doubt a manosphere chorus would be on hand to condemn them for this. Indeed, they already do. Women’s standards are too high but women’s standards are too low, all at the same time, etc. etc. etc.

    Maybe some fair-minded and enterprising scholar among the manosphere crowd, if any exist, would like to take a look at this article. It’s beyond a pay wall, so I haven’t read it, but I suspect it goes into the problem I have attempted, again, to explain here.

    https://direct.mit.edu/rest/article-abstract/92/3/614/57840/Male-Incarceration-the-Marriage-Market-and-Female?redirectedFrom=PDF

    The ultimate “sunk cost” is having to care for someone else’s child.

    If you really think this, then you are a truly broken human being. As you lay dying, what would you rather have at your bedside? A grateful, loving stepchild or an empty chair? That’s what I thought.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  61. @Rosie

    The reason feminism is strongest here is precisely because we have the best fathers in the world, who long ago embraced feminism for the wellbeing of their daughters!

    How does forcing them to work add to their wellbeing? Or, God help us, conscripting them? The only men who complain about the antifeminist draft exemption are those in your hated “manosphere”. So much for feminism and “wellbeing”!

    (American feminism, anyway. Norway’s women’s party had the consistency to lead the way for the change they preached.)

    If you really think this, then you are a truly broken human being… A grateful, loving stepchild…

    The reference was to adulterine bastardy, not legal stepchildren. It is never right to blame the child, who is the other victim. More than a million times a year in this country, children pay the price for inconveniencing a parent– with capital punishment. Better to be an unwanted “stepchild” than a statistic.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  62. anarchyst says:

    The problem is, women want it both ways.
    Women want the right to say no, even after enticing a man to be sexually active with her, even days, weeks, months, and years after the event.
    Her word is to be considered sacrosanct, and must be taken as truth without question, ruining many (innocent) men’s careers and even lives, as a result.
    Men are not permitted to have a defense against such accusations.
    Don’t get me wrong, I have no use for serial abusers such as Harvey Weinstein and other Hollywood, political and celebrity types; they deserve ostracization and severe punishment for their actions, BUT if women want true equality they must take responsibility for their own actions. They cannot have it both ways.
    All one has to do is look at the way Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was treated by the mainstream media, who gave his accuser Anita Hill a pass, even though she followed him from job to job, without any mention of harassment.
    Women want the same pay for equal work–not a problem in most cases, but if a woman cannot do the job, she then asks for special treatment because she is a woman, instead of realizing that she is not cut out for such work and should seek more suitable employment.
    Men die sooner than women as they do the most hazardous work.
    If women want to be treated as equals they have to step up to the plate and TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions
    Multiculturalism, diversity and especially feminism are flawed concepts that equate to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. Of course it took a female of the species to coax the male into eating of the forbidden fruit.
    Another parallel example is that of the Tower of Babel in which separate cultures and languages developed.
    At the risk of offending the female of the species, there were reasons why women did not achieve suffrage (the right to vote) among other things. I realize that there are many intelligent women who do not subscribe to externalized altruism, but there are too many who do . . . Women have a altruistic streak, which is necessary in the formation and care of their families. However, this altruism has been externalized, helped along by our enemies, caring for outsiders while neglecting the good within the family structure in–internalized altruism. This externalized altruism has become deadly which has been put into the hands of feminists. This externalized altruism made the communistic, so-called civil-rights movement a (hollow) success (Actually, the so-called civil-rights movement is falling apart), along with the country).

    • Replies: @Rosie
  63. anarchyst says:

    When it comes to women, it is their own sense of nurturing and caring for a “family unit” while believing that they can “change” the person they are with and the (false) racial “guilt” that is brought on and perpetuated by our bolshevik jewish “overlords” in the media and government.
    White women “lap this up”, the (false) sense of “racial unfairness and unequal treatment” due to their psyche.
    One of the most poisonous “siren songs” that white women succumb to is when a black man states: “You won’t date me because I’m black”…the proper response for a white woman should be: “That’s right, I don’t date outside my race”.
    Instead , the white woman goes along with the false “guilt trip” imposed by the black man, quite often getting murdered, raped, or impregnated with the spawn of this subhuman race, after which the black man absconds from his responsibility, merely being defined as a “baby daddy” by today’s defective popular culture.
    Feminism has done more to damage the traditional responsible white male-female relationship and nuclear family than just about any other social norm. Adding “race” to the mix makes for a very volatile unstable situation.
    The situation can be reversed by both public shaming and making it known that once a white woman consort with a black, she is “damaged goods”, and should not only be shunned but completely marginalized. Only true contrition and admitting the error of her ways can possibly result in redemption.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Truth
  64. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    How does forcing them to work add to their wellbeing? Or, God help us, conscripting them?

    Oh, is that what you think “feminism” is? In that case, what are we arguing about? I assume you have no problem with other policies typically associated with feminism, to wit:

    The right to not be discriminated against.
    The right to a workplace free of sexual harassment.
    The right to vote.

    I’m glad we’ve cleared all that up!

    The reference was to adulterine bastardy, not legal stepchildren.

    I don’t care what you were referring to. I’ll rephrase my question:

    What would you rather have at your bedside when you lay dying: A loving and grateful “adulterine bastard” or an empty chair?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  65. Rosie says:
    @anarchyst

    Women want the right to say no, even after enticing a man to be sexually active with her, even days, weeks, months, and years after the event.

    WTF? Are you saying that a woman who has sex with a man thereby puts her body at his disposal whenever and wherever he likes for all eternity?

    Accusing a man of rape, even 50 years later, is not an attempt at retroactive revocation of consent, no matter how much manosphere morons attempt to characterize as such. It is a claim that there never was consent to begin with.

    Her word is to be considered sacrosanct, and must be taken as truth without question, ruining many (innocent) men’s careers and even lives, as a result.
    Men are not permitted to have a defense against such accusations…
    All one has to do is look at the way Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was treated by the mainstream media, who gave his accuser Anita Hill a pass, even though she followed him from job to job, without any mention of harassment.

    I like how the only example you can think of is currently sitting on the Supreme Court, poor chap.

    Women want the same pay for equal work–not a problem in most cases, but if a woman cannot do the job, she then asks for special treatment because she is a woman, instead of realizing that she is not cut out for such work and should seek more suitable employment.

    Meanwhile, here on planet Earth, “a woman” won’t even apply for any such an unsuitable job, let alone come to expect special treatment. All but a tiny minority are doing things women have always done, helping professions, crafts, customer service, etc.

    Men die sooner than women as they do the most hazardous work.

    And here we see that it is you who wants it both ways. You want to bitch about women wanting your jobs, and you want to bitch about women not wanting your jobs.

    Of course it took a female of the species to coax the male into eating of the forbidden fruit.

    Lol.

    At the risk of offending the female of the species, there were reasons why women did not achieve suffrage (the right to vote) among other things. I realize that there are many intelligent women who do not subscribe to externalized altruism, but there are too many who do . . . Women have a altruistic streak,

    If you let aliens take control of your culture, they are going to turn your healthy instincts against you, that is as true for men as it is for women. Shall we disenfranchise men for supporting useless foreign wars? Exclude them from corporate leadership for being short-sighted and greedy hyperindividualists?

    Just WTF is your deal, anarchyst? Why are you so determined to find a reason to blame women for everything? Plus ca change.

    In truth, outgroup altruism is a White thing. White men emancipated and then enfranchised black men before ever White women were allowed to vote. Bros > hoes, as usual. The CRM did nothing but continue a trend already in place.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @anarchyst
  66. Rosie says:
    @anarchyst

    White women “lap this up”, the (false) sense of “racial unfairness and unequal treatment” due to their psyche.
    One of the most poisonous “siren songs” that white women succumb to is when a black man states: “You won’t date me because I’m black”…the proper response for a white woman should be: “That’s right, I don’t date outside my race”.
    Instead , the white woman goes along with the false “guilt trip” imposed by the black man, quite often getting murdered, raped,

    Of course, as we speak, untold numbers of young men lay dead or maimed having been suckered into risking life and limb fighting for a country that hates them.

    If White men are any more resistant to anti-racist indoctrination than women, it doesn’t show in their actions. White male cravenness this past few generations has been a thing to behold. Since we’re talking about people’s “psyches,” I’ll throw in my two cents. The White male is so humiliated by the craven conduct of other White males, that he seeks to purge this shame by projecting it on to women.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @anarchyst
  67. Truth says:
    @anarchyst

    ne of the most poisonous “siren songs” that white women succumb to is when a black man states: “You won’t date me because I’m black”…the proper response for a white woman should be: “That’s right, I don’t date outside my race”.

    If it worked like that, half the married dudes here, including you if I remember correctly, would be single.

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  68. @Rosie

    A loving and grateful “adulterine bastard” or an empty chair?

    Am I obligated to thank the mother for for this adulterine bastard? Is resentment toward the mother (and the sire) misogynistic? Evidently so.

    What about suing the sire for a lifetime of child support? Or should I thank him as well? How much does your presidency of the Will Smith Fan Club pay?

    The right to vote.

    The most destructive thing the Republican Party ever did was to put the words “right to vote” into the Constitution. Twice, no less.

    Well, that and bringing nine million niγγerlovers back into the Union.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  69. @Rosie

    Accusing a man of rape, even 50 years later, is not an attempt at retroactive revocation of consent, no matter how much manosphere morons attempt to characterize as such. It is a claim that there never was consent to begin with.

    Then why is Bill Clinton a free man? And why is he more popular with women than with men? Arguably women were wiser than men in 1948 when they chose Dewey over Truman who, like Clinton, should have died in a prison cell. Nowadays the “gender gap” doesn’t speak well of women.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  70. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Am I obligated to thank the mother for for this adulterine bastard? Is resentment toward the mother (and the sire) misogynistic? Evidently so.

    What about suing the sire for a lifetime of child support? Or should I thank him as well? How much does your presidency of the Will Smith Fan Club pay?

    You said:

    The ultimate “sunk cost” is having to care for someone else’s child.

    In response to your attempt to overdramatize male victimhood, I asked you a simple fucking question. What would you rather have next to your deathbed: a loving and grateful “adulterine bastard” or an empty chair?

    You have twice refused to answer the question. From this I conclude that you tacitly acknowledge that having to care for someone else’s child is not the “ultimate sunk cost.” It’s OK. We all overstate the case from time to time. Just be a man, admit it and move on.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  71. Rosie says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Then why is Bill Clinton a free man? And why is he more popular with women than with men? Arguably women were wiser than men in 1948 when they chose Dewey over Truman who, like Clinton, should have died in a prison cell. Nowadays the “gender gap” doesn’t speak well of women.

    What the hell does any of this have to do with whether belated rape allegations constitute an attempted retroactive revocation of consent to sex, as anarchyst claimed?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  72. @Rosie

    White male cravenness this past few generations has been a thing to behold.

    How do you think we got the 19th Amendment passed? Or the 18th, for that matter?

  73. @Rosie

    Sounds like a belated rape allegation to me. And people treat it like it was “retroactive revocation of consent”.

    At least we got that other Bill C. Though he’s out now, too.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  74. @Rosie

    What would you rather have next to your deathbed: a loving and grateful “adulterine bastard” or an empty chair?

    I would appreciate the gratitude of anyone. It doesn’t change the fact that the child was conceived via crime.

    Who would you rather have? A child born from rape, or an empty bedpan? I’d be as thankful for my betrayal as you would be for your violation.

    If you’re insulted by the disparagement of female logic, don’t feed the beast with prime examples!

  75. “Rosie” has stirred from her feminist lair,to wreck havoc.
    No,you don’t have a husband and twelve kids,you don’t slop the hogs before breakfast,you’re A typical hate filled feminist.
    Probably a dyke,or pansexual!

    Oh btw,an Asian woman attacked just hours ago in SF!
    The attacker? White. Just kidding.😉

  76. ZOG says:
    @Anonymous

    Brother, white women are a sickness of sorts. For someone to turn you against your own kind, to turn you against your own children (especially your own sons or infant male children), there has to be a sickness at work within you. You could never persuade me to attack a child, but most violent acts against children are committed by women, not men. I find white women to be mostly moral idiots, because they never have to assume responsibility for their actions. If a fat white woman steps on someone’s toes in a bar, spits on them, or hits them, the obese hog can count upon a dozen white knights to jump in and defend her. A man doesn’t get that sort of reprieve, and he shouldn’t, but it is quite remarkable how women are never held accountable to the same extent by our society. I think that explains why so many of them are casually destructive, or never quite manage to grow out of a pig-headed pugnacity that would be intolerable in a man. Maybe these third-world immigrants they love seeing enter America in great numbers will straighten them out. They will deserve whatever comes their way.

    • Replies: @Onebelowall
  77. anarchyst says:
    @Rosie

    An adult college woman has consensual sex with someone she considers “a good catch”.
    Things don’t work out and she doesn’t want to be reminded of her sexual “exploit” with this former “good catch” by having to see him on campus, so she files (false) rape charges against him with the university a few months later.
    At the least, he gets expelled from the institution. More severely, he gets criminally charged with rape and does time in prison as a result.
    She is no longer reminded of him and no longer has to see him on campus.
    Fair? I think not…
    This occurs more often than most people realize.
    Think about it…

  78. anarchyst says:
    @Rosie

    Your statement: “Of course, as we speak, untold numbers of young men lay dead or maimed having been suckered into risking life and limb fighting for a country that hates them.”
    …makes no sense in this conversation.
    Men have been going off to war ever since there was a human race.
    It appears that draft registration is going to be applicable to women. Will you comply? Will you “answer the call” when the time comes?

  79. anarchyst says:
    @Truth

    For us racially aware white males, a woman who consorts with blacks is considered to be “damaged goods”. “Mud sharking” or “burning the coal” automatically puts the white woman “off-limits” to decent white males.
    More often than not, the woman becomes a “baby momma” whose “baby daddy” only shows up once a month to pick up the welfare check as he is busy with other women, making more “pickaninnies” which increases the welfare check. If the check is not forthcoming, a beating usually ensues, sometimes resulting in death. With three or four “baby mommas”, an enterprising black man can make a decent living off of their “baby mommas” welfare checks.
    That is no life for any white woman…

    • Replies: @Truth
  80. Truth says:
    @anarchyst

    Well I mean, you did write; “that’s right I don’t date outside my race.”

    Should only the White Woman be held to a standard of pro-white behavior?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  81. anarchyst says:
    @Truth

    The white man should be held to the same standard…

  82. @Rosie

    I’m not sure I think particularly highly of Rosie, but in my experience she typically gets the better of these debates – often by a pretty wide margin.

    Every single divorce I have been close to has followed the exact same pattern. The husband is a total jerk, and after years of desperate pleading for better treatment, the wife finally throws in the towel.

    That matches my own experiences in divorces I’ve been close to. I can only think of one clear cut case where I’d put the bulk of the blame on the woman, but she was genuinely, medically certified, nutty. The things she’d come up with, you’ve have to see it to believe it’s even possible – not just making up lies, but putting them in the mouths of people who don’t even exist and insisting those (fictitious) people are your friends. (Like, as if you wouldn’t know in an instant that is complete crap, but she’d continue on unfazed. Just completely nuts. Tolerable while on medication, but you never knew when a hysterical episode might erupt.)

    But in the four other cases I’m thinking of, it is crystal clear to me that the guy was being a dickhead long before she finally left him. In fact, in two of these cases, the only mystery to me was why it took so long for her to dump him. I’d see the spats they have and I’d think, how much longer can she possibly put up with this? (Since I was friends with the guys first, it wasn’t really my place to advise the wives to leave, but there was no doubt at all in my mind which party bore the brunt of the blame.) The other two weren’t so bad that, to look at them, you’d judge that there’s no chance it could be repaired, but even then my thoughts about the guys were that they could spare themselves so much anger and frustration with some simple changes, but no one ever wants to concede that they themselves are the problem – unless some event ‘forces’ that realization on them.

    Also , ‘manosphere’ types love to play up the ‘women are all cheating whores’ angle. Although they ludicrously exaggerate it, there is some of that behavior to plenty of women. They seem astonishingly blind to how common this behavior is among men though. Or perhaps they consider it acceptable. (Well, I consider it ‘more acceptable’ too, but at least I can admit I’m being a hypocrite, feeding myself self-serving bullshit.) In my experience, I really have to struggle to think of a married guy friend who has had any moral qualms about cheating on his wife. (I did think of a couple, but totally exceptions that prove the rule.) Typically, the main thing holding the guy back is fear of getting caught, not fear of doing something immoral per se.

    Of course, I’m not privy to what their wives are saying or thinking among their own friends – so they may be just as morally unconcerned – but I can certainly say that the frequency with which the guys put themselves in situations where cheating could occur vastly outnumbers the times their wives are in such situations. My own experiences don’t necessarily prove anything, but most of my friends, male and female, have always mostly been ‘party’ sort of people – a crowd among whom you’d expect ‘the cheating whore’ to be a common fixture – so I think it’s notable how utterly commonplace and unremarkable it is for the guys to continue partying up while their wives are at home, rather than vice versa. ‘Manosphere’ types, I suspect, don’t really get out that much, so the possibility that the disparity could be so large doesn’t occur to them.

  83. @silviosilver

    It isn’t about men being dickheads. Men and women are simply different physically and biochemically. Staying under the same roof the female is bound to get ruffled-doesn;t matter their race, religion, ethnicity-it is bound to happen. Women don’t like farts, they don’t like burps in public- all these little things eventually take their toll.

    There was a very fascinating article in the daily mail in which it was stated that for a marriage to succeed the man and his wife should live in separate(close by) houses. Sleep to have sex, but otherwise, just have their space. It makes a lot of sense. The little things add up, not politics or religious affiliations, the day to day things. Women worry by far. Men love marijauna and booze by far. Women are drawn to astrology by far. Men are excited by geography and exploration by far. These are not sociological factors, they are genetic/biological.

  84. @Rosie

    One of the most common causes of divorce is when the woman gets promoted at her job and starts to earn more than her spouse.

  85. @silviosilver

    “Typically, the main thing holding the guy back is fear of getting caught, not fear of doing something immoral per se.”

    I would never cheat on my wife. I don’t know how common my attitude is but I think it’s slander against men to say that most would. I don’t believe that’s true.

    But this is where religion helps.

    Low-level religion: God will strike me with a lightning bolt if I do.

    Higher-level: I promised God I would love, honor, cherish and protect; if I cheat I will hurt her instead.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Truth
    , @silviosilver
  86. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie

    That “white knight” is used as an epithet particularly kills me. Like the CIA using “conspiracy theorist’ to shame anyone who questions or offers alternative perspective and insight. Gaslighting. Feminists telling women they should never sacrifice for their families, when that is one of the more noble things a person can do. Is it better to be a CEO of something? Always self, self. Materialism.
    Don’t worry about feminists undermining the hero. The masculinists will do it better.
    Both were invented by those who do not have the best interests of most humans in mind.

  87. Truth says:
    @Jeff M. Smith

    Low-level religion: God will strike me with a lightning bolt if I do.

    Higher-level: I promised God I would love, honor, cherish and protect; if I cheat I will hurt her instead.

    Highest-level: I have accepted the King as my Lord and Savior, and now have no desire to cheat.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
  88. @Jeff M. Smith

    I don’t think most men would, but it is just obvious to me that there is a significant chunk of men who’d do so in a flash if they thought they could get away with it.

    If you resent my pointing this out, I hope you react just as strongly when ‘manosphere’ types claim that behind every woman’s facade is a dirty, cheating whore.

    I do agree with you that religion helps, often greatly.

  89. Anon[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @awry

    This does not logically follow as there is no reason to believe women view white men as weaker. On the contrary woke ideology portrays white men as stronger, and, so does reality.

    White women are the least likely to vote left, and no one has provided any evidence that white women are the majority at BLM protests. A simple analysis would prove they are not.

    • Thanks: Red Pill Angel
  90. Angharad says:
    @awry

    There’s a LOT of “projection” in that lie. FYI White men miscegenate far more often than White women do, and almost to a man every White male in power sells his buttocks out to a money jew.

  91. Bite Moi says:
    @awry

    awry——–“Women are not loyal.” Truer words were never spoken. A woman’s only real loalty is to her self. A woman thinks that her vagina is the center of the universe.That’s not an original observation. Self centered,and seeing the world through a cloud of emotions; puts them at odds with reality. Add fluctuating hormones,and it’s no wonder that women have high rates of mental illness.

    • LOL: Truth
  92. @Gore 2004

    You have to understand that the NFL and culture in general would be nothing without Black culture.

    There are those that say American culture is defined by its lack of culture.
    There were sports “fanatics” before there Jackie Robinson played professional baseball in Montreal. Before former FBI man Pete Rozelle was brought in and struck a deal with JFK to have football classified as entertainment, not sport, the NFL was at death`s door. As Jorflyrips states, correctly, it is the Jewish owners that have weaponized the NFL, and for that matter, all professional sports.

  93. @Truth

    More Highest level: God wants me to be happy!

  94. loren says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    Do you know what BBC stands for [no not commie radio]?

  95. @ZOG

    Maybe these third-world immigrants they love seeing enter America in great numbers will straighten them out.

    I’ve read multiple stories on the net about American or Western woman going overseas and getting into trouble because they didn’t realize how women are treated in many parts of the world. From what I understand, Mollie Tibbetts threatened to call the police on the immigrant who was bothering her (Cristhian Bahena Rivera) and he responded by killing her. She probably figured he would back off like most American guys would.

  96. bwuce wee says:
    @Supply and Demand

    hey- now i remember you! you were in that tarantino movie ‘django unchained’! you didn’t die well…

  97. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Angharad

    I’m not outraged by men being there – I’m OUTRAGED at White Men being MIA. For NOT BEING THERE. FOR CENTURIES. And then blaming Da Wite Wahmen for being crazy and out of control. That’s what I mean by being abandoned and hung out to dry.

    Apologies for being late to reply.

    Fundamentally, the purpose of men is to support and protect women while the women have children and raise them to about the age of 5 years old, after which other children and the “social environment” have more effect on children than the family, which is why the old English Victorian Aristocracy could sent their kids to boarding school at about 5 years of age.

    Women tend not to support men, but rather to let the men fight it out and then pick the winner. Tough on the men, but essentially just the cost of existence. Men are in part gene sinks for less successful genes. That the men (any male, actually) have only one chromosome instead of two just makes the weeding out process more effective.

    OK, background over. Men can’t actually do much more for women than give women a shelter and supplies with which to raise kids (as above). The two sexes have their own parallel status and work hierarchies that varies with environment (yes, even today). Jordan Peterson (JP) says that it has not been established that men and women can actually work together, and I tend to think that JPs’ implied question is answered “No.”.

    Now, you are looking at only one way to provide women with a suitable background for raising children. One way is to exploit resources already controlled by the men. The other way is to find new places to live.
    Example: The Pilgrims who came to New England had already been ejected from England, and found that living in the Netherlands gave them a generation of children more Dutch than English. To preserve their society (men’s and women’s societies), they went to

    new

    lands. This is the sort of thing you apparently mean when saying that “White men have been doing EVERYTHING ELSE but protecting their own kind for centuries. ” It could also be phrased as “White men have been doing all they could think of to get the resources to protect and nourish women for centuries, even if it meant prolonged separation from the women.” I am well aware that women react very badly to their man’s absence, even when the absence is compelled (e.g. military service), and aware that such things as the migration of English men to India in the 1800s lead to very many upset spinsters (and directly from that to the development of first generation feminism), but a women actually reacts somewhat better than to separation than a woman reacts to her infant starving because the husband has no income.

    Women as a group vote Democratic, which is the political coalition that has vastly increased the labor force by feminism and immigration. This makes it necessary for men (at least European descended men) to work longer hours, accept much lower pay, move domicile more often, and in general to establish a reliable relation with a woman.

    The productive response to men’s failure to support & protect rather than to do little more than marry a man and then make life impossible for her husband (by “outrage”, for example), killing or crippling the children to underscore her point, until he gives her the protection and children she and he need. Yet such “bitchiness” is the cross-cultural response of women worldwide.

    It’s a difficult problem. Fortunately or otherwise*, we appear to be entering a time of great tumult, and in such times women tend to accept men’s authority more than during prosperous times, perhaps because jobs given to whining women (“I want to fulfil myself, like the men do.”) vanish, only their husbands will try to support & protect them in such times, and only those husbands without destructive wives will succeed in support & protect. It may be that men will be able to re-establish a society in which men are given enough income and status to support & protect women.

    As it is, even the Islamic societies, which have sacrificed almost everything else to support & protect their women, are finding that they cannot support & protect enough for the women to continue with childbirth and raising. Like it or not, that’s the way things work, and neither of us can change it, anymore than I can bring my dead relatives back to life.

    I anticipate that you will simply reply with more “outrage”. OK, as I’ve said above, that’s how things work between men and women. Events move on, and sometime outrage is abandoned for clinging.

    * “otherwise” because I’m not likely to live through them. The impending events are beyond human control, as captured by the military saying “A sucking chest would is nature’s way of telling you that you are going to die. “

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