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Although I was not surprised that my article (The IQ Gap is no Longer a Black and White Issue) attracted a lot of interest, I was actually shocked that it also impressed the Google Search algorithms. It became a top “authority” not only on topical searches like “black white IQ gap”, but even on very generic short search terms like “black IQ” or “white IQ”, proving once and for all that Google is indeed the wisest search engine!

In that article, I proposed that the academic performance of black immigrant children should have already sealed the debate on the black-white tested IQ gap in America, particularly on the question of whether it is a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as “scientific racism” in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms). After going through many of the readers’ comments and all the response articles, I believe I have identified where the misunderstandings were (there were also a lot of educative comments). I will address the reactions (both from the comments and the articles) in a two or three part series of articles before giving my final position on what I believe is the true explanation of the mysterious black-white IQ gap in the US (I disagree with both environmentalist and hereditarian conclusions as presently conceived).

Justin Otor, a son of African born Igbo immigrants, pictured with the founders of the super-elite Davidson Academy (minimum qualification: 99.9th percentile IQ) on his graduation. Otor was subsequently both a National Achievement and National Merit finalist before proceeding to study Astrophysics at Princeton.

Justin Otor, a son of African born Igbo immigrants, pictured with the founders of the super-elite Davidson Academy (minimum qualification: 99.9th percentile IQ) on his graduation. Otor was subsequently both a National Achievement and National Merit finalist before proceeding to study Astrophysics at Princeton.

WHICH MEAN DO WE MEAN?

One of the biggest problems I had with the commenters were readers who apparently were only exposed to the statistical concept of Regression to the Mean from outside the IQ debate. Perhaps because they do not know exactly how it has been used as an empirical tool in hereditarian arguments, they understood my argument as being as follows: “Black African immigrants to the UK and the US are supposed to have children who have the same average IQ as everyone else in Africa through Regression to the (African) Mean; since they do not, I have just falsified all of hereditarian science since Francis Galton.” This made them immediately think it was an easy task to correct me by simply explaining (repetitively) that “that’s not how regression works,” or “those immigrants are not representative”, and so on, until they beat the poor straw man to its grave.

My actual argument was a bit less simplistic than that (and my goal was specifically to falsify the hereditarian conclusions on the question of the cognitive potential of blacks globally – it was not to “disprove” the validity of heredity or human population genetics as such; I’m not a “blank slatist”). The problem is not that the black immigrant children were not regressing to the point of equaling their source population mean IQ (that’s also not what hereditarians predict either), but that they were clearly not even moving (or being pulled) towards that extremely low IQ, as hereditarians predict. If the parents only barely survived the UK cognitive environment because they were a highly select group, then any such expected steep regression towards the black or African mean would ensure that their children would absolutely fail to survive in that complex environment, but it appears they do just as well as white children, if not better. Which means that either the regression to the mean principle has suddenly stopped working, or their source population genetic IQ potential average is much higher than what has been estimated by hereditarians; and these “impressive” parents were in fact not far above that average to begin with, which falsifies the models that led to such low genetic estimates.

The data indicates that the mysterious cognitive gap between blacks and whites in America would persist even if the whites were replaced with black Africans.

BLACK AMERICAN REGRESSION

Psychologist Arthur Jensen’s genetic hypothesis predicted that children of black elites with good incomes and attending fairly good schools would have a much lower mean IQ than children of white elites of equal IQ because the former come from a population with an IQ that is depressed by genes rather than just environment, relative to whites (after all, such high-income educated black elites are unlikely to provide a very harmful environment to their children).

The academic performance of American blacks indeed seemed to bear Jensen out. The children of high income black elites were scoring even lower than children of low IQ, poor whites on academic tests!

And this wasn’t just “racist” Arthur Jensen lying for some secret eugenicist cause. His reports have been confirmed in more recent times by none other than the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (JBHE) and their data is probably even more damning than Jensen’s, even though their aims for reporting these astronomical gaps were obviously different.

Published by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education

Published by the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education

This table is so disturbing that every IQ environmentalist should have been honest enough to acknowledge that it was a very strong point for the Jensen side, no matter what their motives may be. It does indeed appear as if black children are regressing toward a mysterious lower mean intelligence when a child of black parents making 200,000 dollars a year scores lower than a white child from a less than 20,000 dollars a year home – probably living in much worse neighborhoods and going to much worse schools. Almost all the excuses I have seen for this strange pattern do not hold up under scrutiny. The fact that a black family at 200,000 dollars income has less total wealth than a white family at the same income level is not a convincing explanation to me for this extreme SAT score gap. Africans in the UK who have both low income and low wealth have children performing at the white average or even above (and as I will definitively prove in part 2, this is certainly true of African immigrants in America too).

Neither is the supposed pervasive white racism argument too convincing. It’s just hard for me to see how racism can make black children of over 200,000 dollar income parents perform below 20,000 dollar whites (what’s that about?). The fact that these high income blacks live in good neighborhoods with high quality schools should have indicated to policy makers that the solution for black children underachievement is not more spending on education or taking poor blacks to schools in better neighborhoods (since the ones already living in good neighborhoods still perform badly); it is not even about improving their incomes, clearly. But that would be in a world where policy is driven by cold logic and data rather than hot sentiments and ideology (from the left or the right).

Instead of arguing directly against Jensen or rejecting his data (after I saw such numbers), my task was simply to show that these trends are not quite true for black African immigrants anywhere in the developed world, which means that hereditarians are also wrong on at least the racial factor in their explanation of black American underachievement. Hereditarian literature is full of extrapolations of these American social “experiments” to the whole world of blacks, which has led to the development of a number of evolutionary models on global racial intellectual potential differences that are creative but empirically indefensible, as our data is clearly showing when properly understood.

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class), as many people on both sides of the debate assume, but even if we granted that they are elites in this analysis, it can not be denied that their children do not “experience” anything close to the regression observed in children of confirmed black American elites in the US, regardless of parental income or wealth.

To make this totally clear, we can perform a short thought experiment. Let’s say we took a number of black American elites to the UK as expatriate workers, selected only from those professionals who make 200,000 dollars a year in their homes. Would their children perform significantly above the white average in the UK on academic tests? No. It is the same children who perform below the poor white children in America; a plane ride would not suddenly make them smart. This means that there will also be a gap between black American children and black African children (especially the English-speaking ones) in the UK that is similar to (or even larger than) the persistent gap between blacks and whites in America, thus confirming that their regression in America has nothing to do with racial IQ genetic potentials (it’s not a black and white issue).

If, on the other hand, these children of expatriate black American elites did somehow perform as well as children of black Africans (thus also closing the gap with whites), unlike their regressed performance in America, then the racial hereditarian case would still be falsified: it would point to something in the American environment that specifically affects native blacks rather than a simple genetic issue. Either result falsifies the HBD case: it’s one of those rare genuine cases of heads I win, tails you lose!

What this says is that it does not even matter if it is assumed that the black immigrants from Africa are highly select elites – even as highly select as the 200,000 dollar a year native blacks – because the performance of their children still defies the Jensen prediction of strong regression by performing way above where children of highly select black American elites perform.

This means that the genetic hypothesis is empirically falsified by black Africans even if it was validated by black Americans, despite the fact that the latter are supposed to even be helped by the presence of more white genes in them, as the same hereditarians have always argued!

Does this make sense so far?

THE BREEDER’S EQUATION

HBD blogger Jayman-from-Jamaica introduced the Breeder’s Equation counterargument into the discussion, which he apparently learnt from geneticist Gregory Cochran, as a model that he believes explains away all this data very easily. The basic idea is that the black immigrants are not only a highly select group, but that they basically form a new “breed” of people by marrying among themselves, rather than taking partners from the source population. This means that the children of such immigrants ultimately do not regress toward the mean IQ of the source population, but rather to the mean of the new higher-IQ parental sub-population, and it should thus easily explain away our “mystery.”

Not so fast. The regression to a higher bred population does not start with the first offspring population, according to the same Cochran article that Jayman linked to. These first ones should still regress toward the mean of the source population where their parents came from, and my article made clear that these were the main subject of our analysis, especially since substantial African immigration is a relatively new phenomenon. It is only their children (the grandchildren of the original immigrant parents) who would possibly stop regressing toward the source population mean if they married exclusively among fellow immigrants.

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Jayman’s argument would probably be valid if this discussion was limited to the academic performance of multigenerational descendants of immigrants. But it applies to new immigrants (as stated in the article). For example, those children who speak African languages were likely born in Africa themselves before their parents migrated; they were certainly not born to UK-born parents. In fact, my examples of super-achieving Jamaican children like those at the gifted school in New York, were also actually born in Jamaica. Similarly, among the black African children who have been making news for their impressive school scores, all of them were either born in Africa before their parents migrated or they were born to recently migrated parents. The principle to remember (again) is that a plane ride does not change genes.

Interestingly, Jayman decided to quote some of the words of Cochran in a suspiciously selective fashion. He wanted to demonstrate that, contrary to my assertion, regression among self selected immigrants should only be “slight” or “a bit”, and therefore there is no “mystery” with our failure to observe a steep regression. In order to show this, he decided to quote Cochran’s words with an example that was actually inapplicable to our context and curiously omitted Cochran’s example that precisely confirmed my argument.

From Jayman in the comments section:

Chanda_Breeders

Now let’s look at the source link to see what words from Cochran’s article he replaced with those first three dots (see the omitted second paragraph, beginning “Do the same thing…”):

Chanda_Breeders2

Cochran’s original post, in short, shows that there should indeed be a large regression for blacks (whether immigrants or not), at least in that first offspring generation. Jayman conveniently left out the only relevant example and Cochran’s words explicitly confirming that the regression from a population of IQ 85 should “regress to a lower mean” – as I said. It should regress even lower for those from Africa.

He further omitted a few more words that again emphasized how steep this regression should be and introduced another three dots at the precise point where Cochran explicitly states this, which indicates that he was probably doing this quite intentionally (see omitted second sentence below, beginning “The 120-IQ parents…”):

Chanda_Breeders3

The sentence indicating that they “drop 17.5 points” is missing from Jayman’s quote above. This is apparently because he was preparing to say that his black immigrant family from Jamaica regressed from the migrating parents only “a bit,” as the Breeder’s Equation supposedly predicts. Except that if he truly believes that he is black (which is what our discussion is about), then the example with the 100 IQ mean population that he selected is obviously the wrong one since that is the IQ for white populations from Europe, not blacks from Jamaica. The much more appropriate example, using a population mean IQ of 85, had a regression amount that absolutely contradicts his claims of a slight regression. In short, Jayman’s own family life history, if it’s true that he is black and that his family regressed only “a bit lower,” is a data point that precisely refutes the empirically untenable HBD positions that he has apparently chosen to defend by any means necessary – including prevarication.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt at first, I assumed that Jayman just hadn’t read my article before rushing to comment and I told him as much. But after I noticed his selective pasting of Cochran and later, his comments on Karlin’s response article, I realized that the problem may be a bit bigger than that: The reason many of the super-confident pseudonymous HBD bloggers find reasonably complex issues to be “not a mystery” or “too easy” to explain, is probably because they do not understand them enough to appreciate their complexity or implications.

Anatoly Karlin’s response article, which Jayman praised for confirming that black immigrant IQ should be just “slightly regressed” (like his family’s), was actually built on a conceptual misunderstanding of the breeder’s equation. Karlin produced a breeder’s table showing how much African immigrants will regress to the mean before stopping to regress, thus forming a sub-population that is effectively white (like Jayman’s family!).

Chanda_BreedersTable

Putting aside the glaringly obvious fact that these regressions are anything but “slight” (from the 115 IQ parent), the fatal mistake in Karlin’s calculations is that he is working with “genotypic” IQs. These are IQs sans the “luck,” in Cochran’s formulation of regression to the mean through the breeder’s equation. The parental averages of such “real” IQs would have to be passed on to the offspring without any downward regression, contrary to Karlin’s calculations and Jayman’s endorsements.

The reason Karlin found himself in this conceptual trap was that, unlike Jayman, he understood that any calculation that puts the black immigrants at around 3 standard deviations above their source population mean is completely unrealistic (120 IQ immigrants in Jayman’s Cochran example would be over 3 SD above the African mean!). He found a creative way of going round this problem by proposing that they were only 2 standard deviations selected (which is actually also very unrealistic, as I later explain), but that they were robbed of 15 IQ points by their environment. It solves that one problem, but it is a Pyrrhic victory because you can’t regress after you declare a genotypic IQ. In short, his calculations without that conceptual mistake would show that these economic migrants would intellectually be like Jews or like the high-IQ Indian immigrants, a conclusion that he explicitly rejects.

Karlin also acknowledged the special insight of another HBD blogger, Pumpkinperson, who also confidently asserted that “it is very easy” to explain away all this data, before twisting himself in all kinds of conceptual problems.

The thrust of Pumpkin’s counter depended on an assumption that is astonishingly misguided. Whereas most experts find it quite difficult to estimate the quantity or even direction of immigrant selection, Pumpkin believes he has found the easy way to do this: you can merely compare the incomes of the immigrants in their rich host country with the average incomes in their poverty-stricken source populations and you have an IQ differential that tells you how select the immigrants were since IQ and income are correlated!

Chanda_UKAfricans

No matter how much I pointed out to him that there is no logical correlation between nominal individual incomes of people from such vastly different economies with IQ (no one has even claimed that), Pumpkin insisted that he had a useful tool that solves the problem. In short, he sincerely believes that African nurses who migrate to the UK have a higher real IQ than African surgeons who remain in Africa since such nurses are getting much more money in the UK compared to the surgeons!

I also have doubts on his mathematical application of “the parent-child IQ correlation” in these calculations, which looks like a non sequitur since that correlation doesn’t necessarily imply that the children should have a lower IQ than the parents. If this is what he is using for regression to the mean, it is very confused, not to mention that Karlin or Jayman should have jumped on him for contradicting the breeder’s equation since this is being applied after “several generations” of immigration, when regression should have already stopped.

At the end, Pumpkinperson even threatens to add more points to the immigrants’ estimated IQ since there are many other social benefits of being in the UK besides their nominal incomes (he already factored in their education levels in the UK after “several generations”, also compared between vastly different environments with incomparable educational opportunities).

With such liberally adjustable estimates of important quantitative variables available for your calculations, without the need to be firmly grounded in reality, you have the makings of a pseudoscience, in the truest Popperian sense: you can never be wrong no matter what the data says!

THE “WILLINGNESS TO MIGRATE” INSIGHT

How about the now-common argument that immigrants have higher intelligence since they have a willingness to migrate to a rich country? Both Pumpkinperson and Jayman had this idea in their arsenal of easy explanations. In Jayman’s words: “at the very least, there’s usually going to be selection for willingness to migrate vs. staying put ”.

I do not really know how it works in Jamaica, but I am quite confident that realizing that life is better in a very rich country than in your poor country is never exactly the most g-loaded epiphany among Africans. The immigration problem exists in Western countries precisely because just about everyone in the poor world has that “willingness to migrate” virtue; it is why there are no open borders. And if you know anything about the popularity of things like the green card lottery, you would probably suspect that it is not just a select few people at the top who possess this special insight.

In fact, as I claimed before, this sort of argument wasn’t always a hereditarian argument. But don’t take my word for it. We can quote from a book that is not generally considered a liberal environmentalist screed:

How about the idea that people who are willing to pack up and move to a strange place in search of a better life are self-selected for desirable qualities such as initiative, determination, energy, and perhaps intelligence as well? Given this plausible expectation, why not assume that the mean for immigrants is significantly higher than average for their ethnic groups? Here, the NLSY provides a snapshot of the effects on the distribution of intelligence of the people coming across our borders, insofar as we may compare the IQs of those who were born abroad with those who were born in the United States…

Think back to the immigrant at the turn of the century. America was the Land of Opportunity – but that was all. There were no guarantees, no safety nets. One way or another, an immigrant had to make it on his own. Add to that the wrench of tearing himself and family away from a place where his people might have lived for centuries, the terrors of having to learn a new language and culture, often the prospect of working at jobs he had never tried before, a dozen other reasons for apprehension, and the United States had going for it a crackerjack self-selection mechanism for attracting immigrants who were brave, hard-working, imaginative, self-starting-and probably smart. Immigration can still select for those qualities, but it does not have to. Someone who comes here because his cousin offers him a job, a free airplane ticket, and a place to stay is not necessarily self-selected for those qualities. On the contrary, immigrating to America can be for that person a much easier option than staying where he is.

From The Bell Curve, p 360 – 361.

Notice how rightly cautious scientists like Murray and Hernstein are about their claims here. They can not say for sure that intelligence was selected for even at the time in the past when it was extremely challenging for an immigrant to settle in the US. They knew that even then it was merely a plausible proposition (unlike more sure traits like initiative, determination, energy, bravery etc). Contrast this with the new intellectuals who are fully certain that intelligence is obviously being highly selected for today (among immigrants from everywhere), despite the fact that the challenging obstacles that would have made this claim merely plausible have largely dissipated, especially with the growth of the welfare state.

The bottom line is that all those extra intelligence points being thrown at the black migrants (to explain why their children are so smart) have very little basis in reality. There is probably more evidence for a negative selection than a positive one (generally), as the Bell Curve itself implied. There is certainly no evidence for the extremely high selection estimates from Africa asserted by the new HBD hereditarians.

Their common mistake of comparing the number of university degree holders in the immigrant group with those in the source population as a way of estimating selection is also based on faulty reasoning. We already know the IQ of students at an “elite” African university to be 85 or 1 standard deviation above the environmentally depressed African mean (according to the same hereditarian scholars like Rushton and Lynn). So, how can your calculations tell you that the immigrants are 2 or 3 standard deviations above the mean when they even have a much smaller number of university graduates? How can a full sample of university students be lower in intelligence than a sample containing only 20 per cent university degree holders or 50 per cent in the best cases (I even have reason to doubt this high degree-holder estimate for some African country migrants)? It would be remarkable if these largely uneducated migrants (25 percent of whom migrated through the green card lottery in the case of the US) just equaled the selection of a full sample of elite university students by also being as high as a full standard deviation above the African mean. And yet most HBD bloggers estimate them at twice that level of selection or more!

HBD blogger and scholar, Chuck, apparently knew that such estimations of immigrant selection were unrealistic about three years ago (according to a link to his defunct WordPress blog that he shared with me), and it appears he was actually on the verge of falsifying the HBD position himself despite calling his blog “occidental ascent”. Instead of searching for more decisive data on the matter, his biases apparently finally got the better of him and he instead found some clearly weak counter-data that only worked to rationalize his faith in the guiding tenets of racial HBD. But apparently he also now wants to have his cake and eat it:

[Chuck]: “...But I think that it’s reasonable to posit that Black Africans are at least 1 SD selected in IQ .. Nigerian/African emigrants fall around at least the 84% percentile in cognitive ability relative to the Nigerian/African mean.”

Generally, assuming that emigrant Black Africans are at least 1 SD selected relative to the mean and assuming that the h2 (narrow heritability) + c2 (shared environment) in Africa is ~0.6, the data is consistent with a proposed African “genotypic IQ” — a confused concept, but one everyone seems to employ — of 85.

This is precisely what I deduced 3.5 years ago!”

Understood. But is this what he “precisely” deduced 3.5 years ago? No. He actually rejected what he is now arguing for in the comments section to my article, because he resolutely believed (correctly) that it was not so reasonable to have such high estimates of African immigrant selection.

Let’s paste his precise words from 3.5 years ago, from the same link he gave me:

“A more reasonable scenario, to my mind, is that they [African immigrants] represent no more than the 70th percentile of the g distribution or are no more than 0.55 SD above the phenotypic mean.”

So, only 3.5 years ago, it was “more reasonable” to estimate that the immigrants were “no more than 0.55 SD” selected, but now “it’s reasonable to posit” that they are “at least 1 SD selected” and those deductions are “precisely” the same?

As I said, this ability to adjust your “selection” estimates means that even if the African immigrant children scored a standard deviation above the white mean IQ, this would not be empirical proof of anything since these HBD intellectuals can just retroactively push up that immigrant self selection estimate until the math can work, which makes the science unfalsifiable by empirical means.

POLITICS?

My analysis on this issue has no political agenda, not even on the immigration question. If anything, I too do not believe that the current US or UK immigration system mostly selects for the best people from places like Africa (as it probably used to do very long ago). So, I am actually with the right wingers on this. The problem is that the right wingers are not with themselves. They want to have their cake and eat it. They say the immigration system is so broken that it does not select for the best. When the topic changes to the question of intelligence and it is pointed out that the immigrants’ children appear to be very smart, then suddenly many of the same people start saying “oh, what do you expect when Africa is just sending their PhD’s and doctors and engineers?”

Accepting that their children are smart would mean rejecting the idea that they are genetically lower since they are not regressing as expected; so, it must be that their parents are just super-selected. But accepting that their parents are super-selected means accepting that the immigration system is still working just fine. Which is it?

CONCLUSION

It is very important to remember that my argument does not actually depend on immigrant selection being absent or negative (it is the hereditarian defence that depends on it being absurdly high, just to have any chance of surviving the cruel data). The racial hereditarian case is so weak that even if we grant that these immigrants are highly selected for intelligence, all the way up to something as ridiculous as 2 standard deviations above the African mean (because that’s what you supposedly need to realize that the UK is better than Nigeria and to borrow some air ticket money from family and friends already there), the hereditarian predictions are still even then defied.

Remember our reason: the African children do not perform anywhere near as badly as the children of much more highly selected black American elites (the 200,000 dollar family income kind – all degree holders from Western universities) relative to white children, when hereditarians predict that they should perform much worse or similarly bad, at best. Their actual performance is so opposite of that prediction that there is now even a discussion of whether some of the African ethnicities in the UK have sometimes beaten the infamously “testocratic” Chinese students themselves on average (see part 2 for more convincing data on that question) when the discussion should really have been on whether they can beat the Irish Travelers who, according to hereditarian estimates, are supposed to have a higher average IQ than the elites of Africa!

That’s as falsified as a system of models can get, and if you think it is super easy to explain all this away without contradiction or concession, trust me: it is because you do not understand it. Yet.

Chanda Chisala, originally from Zambia, has been a John S. Knight Visiting Fellow at Stanford University, a Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution, and a Reagan-Fascell Fellowship at the National Endowment for Democracy.
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  1. David says:

    Last time the Igbo kid tested into the exclusive Davidson Academy at 1 in 10,000. Now he’s only at 99.9th percentile, 1 in 1000.

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  2. Sean Last says:

    One thing worth noting is that Lynn, in his book Race Difference in Intelligence: an Evolutionary Analysis, compiled data from 22 studies from Britain on 16,693 subjects which produces a weighted average black IQ of 85.9. This is, of course, very comparable to the 85 mean IQ score of African Americans.

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  3. Sean Last says:

    Anyway, given the high level of assortative mating for intelligence I am not confident that a large degree of regression to the mean would be predicted in any circumstance. Jensen seemed to think other wise, but I am not sure why. In Jensen and Rushton’s 2005 paper they seem to imply that significant regression is predicted because of epistatic effects with their metaphor about dice rolling. This is extremely odd given that the actual inheritance pattern behind the genetics of intelligence is usually thought to be extremely additive.

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  4. I think some key issues are obscured in the details:

    “…it does not even matter if it is assumed that the black immigrants from Africa are highly select elites – even as highly select as the 200,000 dollar a year native blacks – because the performance of their children still defies the Jensen prediction of strong regression”

    There is a difference between a 200K+ per year athlete or musician and an ethnic group self-selected for intelligence. Igbo are the cognitive elite of Nigeria and would regress to a higher mean (Justin Otor and Harold Ekeh are both Igbo). The same would hold for Tutsis and various other outlier groups – there is no “African” IQ mean, as Jensen’s charts demonstrate. Even a Nigerian mean would swamp the Igbo contribution with lower scores of the greater population.

    “…my task was simply to show that these trends are not quite true for black African immigrants anywhere in the developed world, which means that hereditarians are also wrong on at least the racial factor in their explanation of black American underachievement.”

    These trends appear true for every country in the developed world, apart from the UK, which has treated its lower class English population abysmally. Following Rotherham, some estimate that 10% of teenage, lower class English girls experience sexual abuse. White teenage boys are likewise marginalized and bullied. This is not an environment to tout the shrinking gap – rather, the upper end of the gap has collapsed.

    The Surinamese population of the Netherlands supports the American trend of intractable achievement gaps, crime rate over-representation, etc. France is more coy with data and difficult to parse for a non-native speaker, but the criminal output of banlieues is well-known (Malian and Algerian, primarily). It would be little surprise for school achievement to lag, with this trajectory. Sweden is in existential crisis over its falling PISA scores since 2002, the beginning of their million-strong mass migration. Sweden is likewise averse to discussing scores in terms of ethnicity and race, unfortunately, preferring to blame the situation on “teachers”. Beyond these four countries (UK, NL, France, and Sweden) there are relatively few Africans to assess in Europe, or were prior to 2013.

    Where is your data that “these trends are not quite true for black African immigrants anywhere in the developed world”? Do we have Chinese data for Guangzhao? The news of rioting and street harassment of Chinese women was not encouraging. Toronto Canada maybe?

    Without these issues addressed I’m afraid the rest of the paper’s thesis is suspect.

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  5. Truth says:

    Sailer is NOT going to like this.

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  6. Sean Last says:

    It would be interesting to see what percentage of blacks and whites in Britain actually take the GSCE tests.

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  7. Deduction says:

    The data indicates that the mysterious cognitive gap between blacks and whites in America would persist even if the whites were replaced with black Africans.

    No it does not. It only indicates that it would persist ‘even if the whites were replaced by the cognitive elite of black Africa.’

    And those two additional words make all of the difference.

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  8. Harold says:

    Whites have been indoctrinated from birth with the idea that it is evil for them to want to protect their genetic heritage. Because of this they allow their countries to be flooded by foreign races. Anyone who takes advantage of this evil indoctrination of whites to immigrate to a white country is immoral.

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  9. Deduction says:
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    but that they were clearly not even moving (or being pulled) towards that extremely low IQ, as hereditarians predict

    This is your strawman, and your whole argument rests on beating it. The black Africans in London are often from a long line of elites and they marry others from the same. They do not, via some sort of magical process, carry the same genes as the African average – they are quite obviously not average…

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  10. Deduction says:

    What this says is that it does not even matter if it is assumed that the black immigrants from Africa are highly select elites – even as highly select as the 200,000 dollar a year native blacks – because the performance of their children still defies the Jensen prediction of strong regression by performing way above where children of highly select black American elites perform.

    Or, in the past, migrating to the UK as a black African was a much more highly g loaded test than making 200,000 dollars a year for a black American in America…

    Business sense and broad cultural horizons versus the ability to shoot hoops.

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  11. Sean Last says:

    “So, how can your calculations tell you that the immigrants are 2 or 3 standard deviations above the mean when they even have a much smaller number of university graduates?”

    Well, Pumkin Person has calculated that the average African immigrant to Britain in 1979 was roughly 2.43 standard deviations above the mean African in terms of educational attainment. Depending on the correlation between educational attainment and IQ among the relevant black population, this could easily predict an intelligence level of 2 standard deviations above the mean for African immigrants. (The correlation would need to be roughly 0.8 or higher). So the math is not all that extraordinary.

    http://pumpkinperson.com/2015/01/05/more-thoughts-on-the-high-iqs-of-african-immigrants-in-britain-2/

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  12. Deduction says:

    Accepting that their children are smart would mean rejecting the idea that they are genetically lower since they are not regressing as expected; so, it must be that their parents are just super-selected. But accepting that their parents are super-selected means accepting that the immigration system is still working just fine. Which is it?

    It is the second, but it is not fine, because IQ and smarts aren’t everything.

    You have stumbled upon something here. Something I’ve long seen as a white nationalist myth.

    The myth is the weight given to the concept of regression to the mean and it was necessary to allow g obsessed HBDers to be white nationalists too. It would allow all white people to be better than all black people in their essence.

    It was always nonsense though.

    Of course since g is important but as there are many other important things in life, it was never necessary. But then the myth was not for the smartest people in the first place, and, in fact, they latched onto it as much because it flattered them personally as it asked nothing of them intellectually.

    On a different topic, black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test, than any long articles on the internet.

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  13. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Chanda,

    Have you data on the academic achievement of the somalian pupils? It would be nice if you could handle the african-mass as separate ethnic groups. I bet huge part of somalian children is out of the school system at age 15 – which means that in this case the sample is far from representative.

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  14. JimC says:

    As Fuerst showed in his meta-analysis, the IQs of black immigrants to America are no different from those of African-Americans, regardless of immigrant generation. So, the mean IQ of black immigrants is about 1 SD below the white mean. I’m interested in learning how Chisala intends to “definitively prove” that this is not the case in the second part of his post. Posting more pics about affirmative action poster boys like Harold Ekeh is not going to cut it (compare Ekeh to Michael Wang who was rejected by six Ivy League schools).

    As to the breeder’s equation, the question is what the parental mean IQ is in the case of African immigrants. As I recall, Chisala argued in his previous post that there are populations or subpopulations in Africa that have higher mean IQs than the African average. To the extent that first generation immigrants are drawn from such populations, we would expect regression to the mean to be smaller in the second generation. However, in the case of America, there does not seem to be anything to be explained, given that African immigrants do not do particularly well on IQ tests. In the UK, black immigrants do seem to be doing better than expected, although Chisala elides some evidence contrary to this, such as the fact that blacks are greatly underrepresented among the top performers in A-level exams and consequently among the students of the best universities.

    Some evidence for the validity of global, including African, IQ scores has been provided by analyses (see the polygenic scores in Table 2) of population differences in the frequencies of IQ genes. More confirmed IQ genes will be known soon, enabling stronger tests of evolutionary hypotheses.

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  15. szopen says:

    I am sorry if my points are not clear, I am not a native speaker.

    I may miss that from the earlier post, but does your data on IQ refer to specific ethnic groups within African immigrants, or to all African immigrants? Seems to me that actually the achievements are not uniform to all Africans, but rather to some groups. That would be perfectly compatible with HBD position, as it is possible that within any larger population with any trait of mean X, there would be some sub-population with mean for the same trait different (lower or higher) from X. You can see it in white populations too.

    Second, if the African immigrants are self-selected because they come, say from families of higher SES in education _back in Africa_, wouldn’t they be actually second- or third- generation of African intelligentsia, i.e. the regression to the mean could happen earlier, in their grand-parents or parents- generation already?

    What I mean: say in Africa only some people can afford to get university education; so they descend from families with higher wealth, probably coming from higher intelligence. Their children are further selected and the regreesion to the means happens there. Then their grandchildren emigrate; they will regress to the mean of their families, not general African mean, no?

    I know that you counter this argument with showing the IQ for south-african students to be 85, but what about IQ of Nigerian students (because it seems that Nigerians fare particularly well here)?

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  16. Sean Last says:

    In addition to the Lynn data, the CAT data presented here, as-well as other mental testing data, all suggests that British Blacks are significantly less intelligent than British Whites. Of course, the GCSE is highly G-loaded, but the degree of consistency of other intelligence testing data makes me think that, for what ever reason, the GCSE is not measuring group differences in intelligence well. This leaves open an interesting question about why this would be, but it is not obviously a significant threat to the hereditarian viewpoint on racial intelligence differences.

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  17. Chuck says:

    Dear Chanda,

    This characterization is somewhat unfair:

    “Instead of searching for more decisive data on the matter, [Chuck's] biases apparently finally got the better of him and he instead found some clearly weak counter-data that only worked to rationalize his faith in the guiding tenets of racial HBD”.

    I did in fact search for more “decisive data”. I just didn’t care for what I found: e.g., http://openpsych.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=134

    And so, as I noted, I downgraded “the priority of this overall research project”.

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  18. Blacks are clearly superior to others in sports and now we showing up everyone else in brains too. We just superior to everyone else period. And if you disagree you racist!

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    Where do falsifiers come from?

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  20. Molag Bal says:
    @Harold

    What, exactly, does this have to do with the article?

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  21. bomag says:

    It looks like you are not grasping all the implications of regression to the mean. If the African immigrants were an intellectual subgroup (such as the “Jews or high-IQ Indian immigrants”) then the HBD argument would hold.

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  22. Polymath says:

    Many of the commenters need to read the article more carefully, their points were addressed in it. Some other commenters need to avoid anecdotal reasoning where quantitative data is available, and need to stop talking about “regression to the mean” because they don’t get the math at all.

    The two questions I have for the author:
    1) how much difference is there between the genetic IQ potential of smarter black African ethnicities like the Igbo (or is it Ibo?) and the general black African average?
    2) what data from other countries besides England and the USA shows that it is the USA rather than England whose black-white gap is the exception (and what’s your opinion on why America is exceptional)?

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  23. I am still looking for the basic data on the actual scores, not the racial group pass-rates which are very sensitive to fluctuations in the overall passrates for the GCSE exams. Changes in the latter affect the calculation of the former racial gaps. Making exams easier makes them less discriminative. Also, as other readers have pointed out, one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants. Finding no racial gaps in that higher maths exam would not tell us much about racial group differences, nothing conclusive anyway.
    So, I don’t want to hear about individuals who have done well (other than to congratulate them) but basic data on participation rates and the scores (which usually have to be derived from grades rather than the real scores). Only then will it be right to get into regression to the mean arguments.

    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/chanda-chisala-african-hereditarian.html

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  24. Tulip says:

    Two points:

    If race is understood anthropologically, then IQ differentials cannot be explain by racial inheritance, period, based on the data.

    If you break race into genetic sub-populations (maybe this saves HBD), then maybe IQ differentials can be explained by heredity, but all this “regression to the mean” business means nothing. You don’t know what the relevant sub-populations are (probably tribal and/or ethnic), and you don’t know the mean within the sub-population. You are just saying “X is the solution”, e.g. you’re a floating a hypothesis, not providing an answer. Moreover, it is not clear that in a modern Western society without flourishing tribal/ethnic differences, that there will be any way to maintain these distinct sub-populations for study. Immigrants tend to put their differences behind them in a new world.

    As far as policy, you might as well favor immigration from high IQ Africans and Islanders in order to promote mixing with the current population in order to raise the mean IQ. I don’t see that one coming down the pike anytime soon, but if people are concerned about racial IQ differentials in the US, and convinced by hereditarian explanations, that would be one way to solve the problem.

    Further, there is plenty of published research that behaviors can alter genetic predispositions, for example, regular religious participation can suppress genes correlated with disinhibition and sensation seeking. Even if you catalog all the relatively distinct genetic sub-populations of humans, you leave out cultural factors, which have been empirically established to influence behavior.

    I think Murray raised some important questions, which have been ignored, by both his critics and his “supporters”.

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  25. AndrewR says:
    @Deduction

    This is why I have never really fit into the WN crowd. While many WN beliefs are undoubtedly true even if politically taboo, most WNs seem to be on the left side of the bell curve, masking their feelings of intellectual inferiority with often dubious claims of racial superiority.

    In short, the biggest problem with white nationalism is white nationalists.

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  26. Oldvannes says:

    There is a way, probably from existing records, to support or to refute this proposition.

    Isolate an educational elite of native Japanese, native Chinese, Germanic Austrians, Anglo Saxon Brits and European New Englanders.

    Track them for 3 generations. Separate those who marry in-group vs those who marry out-group – but within the same race.

    Measure the IQ retention or decay intra marriage group, inter marriage group and between said groups and the other race counter parts.

    It would also be of interest to compare rates of retention and decay for those who marry into other racial groups, elite and non elite educational groups.

    The comparison between rates of retention/decay for in-race, in/out group marriage, would settle the question.

    Prediction:
    Rates of decay in-race but between in/out marriage groups would be greatest for Igbo, smallest for East Asians.

    Within European subgroup greatest decay would show up in Americans, the least in Austrians.

    The rate of decay in the Igbo (in/out marriage group difference,but within race) will be at least 1 STD greater than that for the East Asian group.

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  27. As someone who had the dubious pleasure of spending my formative years in the UK education system, I can say that it’s absurd to talk about passing 5 GCSEs as if it’s some kind of token of intellectual achievement.

    The standard is so low, pretty much any great ape who is not either a total moron or a dropout/junkie can get 5 GCSEs. Anyone who tries moderately hard can do it. If you’re smart, you’d have to try hard to fail.

    Many black African immigrants and their offspring try harder than the native sons of Albion. That’s all it shows. Blacks are still woefully underrepresented at elite institutions like Oxford and Cambridge because getting 12 A*s at GCSE is a very different proposition to getting 5 Cs.

    The author mendaciously suggests that it’s due to some kind of unwarranted discrimination. However, it’s due to entirely warranted intellectual discrimination.

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  28. there are two issues which make is possible if not likely that there are actually IQ differences between different populations which have been separated for some time:

    1) there are obviously huge racial differences concerning important human traits like physical strength, personality, attractiveness, „tameness“, gracilation etc. So why should there be no IQ differences?
    2) WITHIN populations IQ differences are obviously over 50% due to genetic differences. This does of course not imply that differences between the IQ distributions of different populations are also due to genetic differences, but it kind of suggests that this is the case

    Still, I have always have had doubts about racial IQ differences, and the points raised by Hereditarians against the case of african immigrants are weak, as shown in the article. Like I have commented a few months ago I do not think that poor countries in Africa are as meritocratic as industrialized countries. In countries like India, China, Nigeria to get things like passports, visa etc. it is often better to know the right people, be ruthless enough to gather enough money or something like that, because of the corruption.

    Concerning the puzzle about African American „underachievement“ I would start by not calling it „underachievement“. Looking at the complete picture of African American life reality one has to notice that African Americans are by international standards and extremely both lucky and happy group of people.
    Pro: huge success on the partner market, huge reputation for sports and music, huge respect by non-black people, being able to be succesful simply by talking about yourself, by international standards great material wealth, huge success in informal working fields
    Contra: bad school grades, no success on in formal working fields
    Looking at the complete picture I as an African American would not change anything, especially there is not need to have better grades and have more points in IQ tests

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  29. @Tulip

    ”Further, there is plenty of published research that behaviors can alter genetic predispositions, for example, regular religious participation can suppress genes correlated with disinhibition and sensation seeking”

    Because even ”specific” behaviour is not a single trait but a composite phenotype of susceptibilities, i mean, there are a personal/individual behavioural plasticity as well the capacity of everyone for learn to think and act wisely/rationally.

    I don’t think ”behaviors can alter genetic predispositions” but enphasise certain priorities inside pre-dispositions (in the plural).

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  30. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    It seems some black African groups are smarter than most other groups.

    This also seems to be part of HBD.

    Likewise, not all Asians are same in IQ. East Asians are smarter, and even among East Asians, Chinese are smarter than Mongols.

    And among Caucasians, Europeans seem to edge out Arabs while Jewish Semites of Ashkenazi origin edge out Europeans.

    So, there must be some smarter Negroes, especially among the Igbo.

    But for white folks, the real issue should be WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING HELPING THE NEGRO? Why are white/western institutions aiding and abetting the rise of blacks?
    Let blacks fix their own nation and take care of themselves.
    Whites should focus on helping one another. Smart whites should favor dumb whites over smart blacks.
    Globalism is about winners and losers, i.e. where white winners favor black winners over white losers. Nationalism is about the race as a family where the winners care about the losers of their own kind. White elites must choose nationalism. Otherwise, they will betray their own people to prefer and favor the company of fellow winners among blacks, yellows, and browns who also neglect and sneer at the losers among their own kind.

    Why should whites care whether blacks succeed or fail? Their main priority should be that whites stick together and work for white interests and power.

    Let’s say there are indeed smart blacks. Okay, let blacks harness their brain power to for black power and interests.
    As for whites, they should serve white power, not black power.
    What do whites get by helping black Africans succeed in the West? These negroes will only impregnate white women and wussify white boys into maggot cucks.

    Look, it’s bad enough that white men are losing physically and sexually to blacks. One saving grace of generally lower-black IQ is that white men have an economic and social advantage over blacks. But if a tons of smart Igbo Negroes are brought to the West, whites will not only lose to blacks physically, sexually, and pop culturally(via rap music) but even intellectually and economically. That way, whites won’t have ANY advantage over blacks.

    [MORE]

    If anything, the possibility that there are many smart blacks should be all the more reason why whites should keep black Africans out of the West.
    It’s like the apes became all the more threatening when a smart one appeared among them in CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. These smart Igbos are gonna come to the West, gain elite power, and lead the dumb negroes against whites. Also, these igbo negro men will use white wombs to create a race of mulattoes to rule over whites and blacks. Hell with mulattos hatched by race traitor scum bitches.

    It will mean more blacks will enter elite institutions of the West, take more white women, and take more powerful positions in all walks of society and then use their power to steer the West toward more pro-African positions. Let Africa be pro-Africa and let blacks be pro-black.

    West and whites should be pro-west and pro-white, and this means seeing the black race as the #1 enemy of the white race. A race is sound only when it holds onto its homeland and when the women of the race respect their own men and feel it is an honor to use their wombs to produce children of her own race.
    But with all these Negroes in the West, we got jungle fever and white women using wombs to produce disgusting mulatto obama-babies. We have white women who feel proud to have mulatto babies growing in their bellies while black men put their hands on the belly. What kind of white male with any pride could tolerate such foulness?

    We have white boys beaten up by black kids in schools. We have white guys turned into disgusting cuckolds and wussy-ass maggots. White guys are gonna become to the Negro what yellow guys have become to non-yellows in America. Do white guys wanna be second-rate males in their own homeland?

    If this negro writer is right and there are plenty of smart negroes, it is all the worse for the white race that needs to wake up to the threat posed by ghastly negroes.
    It means white guys will not only be out-muscled but out-thought.
    So, let us assume that this negro writer is right. It should be all the more reason why white guys do everything to keep blacks out. It’s bad enough that black Africans arrive with bigger muscles. Do you want them arriving with bigger smarts too?

    As for white elite institutions who celebrate the rise of the negro over the white, they are race traitor scum.
    Imagine black African institutions celebrating the fact of non-Africans taking over all the elite institutions over there.

    Beware, the smart Igbo is here to lead the dumb Negroes against whites.

    Even when it comes to the problem of Jewish power, it is truly evil because Jews use negroes against whites. If there were no negroes in the world and if Jews gained a lot of power just to exploit whites, it wouldn’t be so bad.
    What is evil about Jewish power is it wants to turn the white race into a sexual inferior and servant of the Negro race.
    Jews want to do to whites what happened to Germans as WWII came to a close. Russian men sexually conquering German women while wussified German men could do nothing but stand around and watch.
    This is now happening to the white race. Because it is happening in stages than all at once, white men can go on denying the fact that they are turning into a pussy race. But it’s happening more and more year after year, decade after decade.

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  32. Jason Bayz says: • Website

    This is not a falsification of the hereditarian position, see my response to this article:

    https://jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/response-to-closing-the-black-white-iq-gap-debate-part-i-by-chanda-chisala/

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  33. wrd9 says:

    So there are high IQ African blacks, big deal… there are plenty of African black immigrants who commit as much crime as African American blacks. In London, blacks are 12% of the population yet commit the majority of crime – over 50% of robbery and street crime, 67% of gun crime.

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  34. Wally says: • Website
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    Bingo!

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  35. Vendetta says:

    Looking forward to the rest of this serious.

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  36. Truth says:
    @Deduction

    The article makes it quite clear that this is not the case.

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  37. Truth says:
    @Deduction

    So instead of a 67 IQ group, they’re from a 77 IQ group?

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  38. JayMan says: • Website

    The basic idea is that the black immigrants are not only a highly select group, but that they basically form a new “breed” of people by marrying among themselves, rather than taking partners from the source population. This means that the children of such immigrants ultimately do not regress toward the mean IQ of the source population, but rather to the mean of the new higher-IQ parental sub-population, and it should thus easily explain away our “mystery.”

    Apparently, you misunderstood me.

    That’s the true for the third generation (and all subsequent ones). The second generation regresses to the mean of their source population. The third+ (again, assuming endogamous mating) regresses to this newer higher mean – that is, there is no further regression.

    Jayman conveniently left out the only relevant example and Cochran’s words explicitly confirming that the regression from a population of IQ 85 should “regress to a lower mean” – as I said.

    I never said otherwise.

    Except that if he truly believes that he is black (which is what our discussion is about), then the example with the 100 IQ mean population that he selected is obviously the wrong one since that is the IQ for white populations from Europe, not blacks from Jamaica. The much more appropriate example, using a population mean IQ of 85, had a regression amount that absolutely contradicts his claims of a slight regression. In short, Jayman’s own family life history, if it’s true that he is black and that his family regressed only “a bit lower,” is a data point that precisely refutes the empirically untenable HBD positions that he has apparently chosen to defend by any means necessary – including prevarication.

    I’ll give an example calculation below.

    Putting aside the glaringly obvious fact that these regressions are anything but “slight” (from the 115 IQ parent)

    Wait, are you just arguing semantics here? We gave numbers to all our calculations. Either the numbers work, or they don’t. Don’t criticize our adjectives.

    probably be valid if this discussion was limited to the academic performance of multigenerational descendants of immigrants. But it applies to new immigrants (as stated in the article). For example, those children who speak African languages were likely born in Africa themselves before their parents migrated; they were certainly not born to UK-born parents. In fact, my examples of super-achieving Jamaican children like those at the gifted school in New York, were also actually born in Jamaica. Similarly, among the black African children who have been making news for their impressive school scores, all of them were either born in Africa before their parents migrated or they were born to recently migrated parents.

    But now we’re back to elite migration. What’s the mystery here?

    To make this totally clear, we can perform a short thought experiment. Let’s say we took a number of black American elites to the UK as expatriate workers, selected only from those professionals who make 200,000 dollars a year in their homes. Would their children perform significantly above the white average in the UK on academic tests?

    Let me propose another one: say you took from the top 5% in IQ of Black Americans and brought them to the UK. Would their children perform better than White British?

    Let’s do the math. Mean Black American IQ = 85. SD = 12

    Top 5% would then be those with IQ > 105, with a mean of 110.

    Now, the next generation (assuming endogamous mating and no selection by IQ within this group), given the Breeder’s equation (assuming an additive heritability for IQ of 0.6), would have an average IQ of 100, or equal to that of White British.

    The reason why your example doesn’t work is because wealth is not perfectly correlated with IQ.

    I do not really know how it works in Jamaica, but I am quite confident that realizing that life is better in a very rich country than in your poor country is never exactly the most g-loaded epiphany among Africans. The immigration problem exists in Western countries precisely because just about everyone in the poor world has that “willingness to migrate” virtue; it is why there are no open borders.

    Immigration always involves selection to some extent. Or are you saying those who show up in the West are there just by pure luck vs. their compatriots at home?

    The bottom line is that all those extra intelligence points being thrown at the black migrants (to explain why their children are so smart) have very little basis in reality. There is probably more evidence for a negative selection than a positive one (generally), as the Bell Curve itself implied. There is certainly no evidence for the extremely high selection estimates from Africa asserted by the new HBD hereditarians.

    Rather than making suppositions, perhaps it would be easier to consult the data and compare the quality of immigrants (first generation) to the average of their home countries?

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  39. All sizzle, no steak.
    A black girl defending against science with psychology.
    What discipline was she trained in ? Sociology, I’m betting.

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  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    One problem that keeps being ignored is that everybody is assuming American blacks are a random sample of African blacks, which they are absolutely not. Genetic studies have revealed that half of all US blacks have Yoruban ancestry, meaning they’re from one particular African tribe.

    Secondly, most people assume that the slave ancestors of American blacks were a random sample of their own original Yoruban society. Of course they weren’t. They were, by and large, the feckless low-IQ losers among the Yorubans, and they were often the losers in the local tribal wars. The losers were then enslaved by the more clever black winners and were sold to white traders who brought them over to the US.

    The fact is, if the smarter blacks had been brought over, they would have contrived to free themselves one way or another, and at an earlier date than 1865. It’s difficult to maintain a smart population in slavery because they would have been more successful at escaping and rebelling. It’s much easier to control a dumb population because their members find it very hard to shift for themselves if they’re freed. Stupidity, in fact, is a necessary condition for successful, multi-generation slavery.

    Look at all the trouble the Spartans had with their chronic rebellions among their enslaved helots. The helots, who were white like the Spartans, were a constant bother to their slave masters, and the entire Spartan society had to be turned into an ultra-militaristic society with spying on the level of Soviet-era paranoia just to maintain the social order.

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  41. Vendetta says:
    @boogerbently

    What’s yours, gender studies?

    Chanda Chisala is a man.

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  42. res says:
    @boogerbently

    I wouldn’t recommend placing any actual bets based on your assertions.

    https://chandachisala.wordpress.com/about/

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  43. @Priss Factor

    Should have perpetual bio-human-diversity balance, where mixed breeds and decanted breeds could co-exist without risk of annihilation one each other. Like a perfect recipe.

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  44. guest says:
    @AndrewR

    I’m not a white nationalist because I’m not a nationalist. If most of them end up on the left side of the bell curve I imagine the endless indoctrination of our educational and popcultural institutions have something to do with it. While the lowly are gullible, they’re less susceptible to brainwashing in abstruse and otherworldly concepts like equality. The intelligent can be tricked as well, but they prefer the Higher Nonsense like string theory.

    As for flattering themselves, whites are no different than any other race in this regard. If Africa had Europe’s artistic and scientific tradition blacks wouldn’t be as prideful of their physical prowess, happening music, and fashion sense. Hispanics have no shortage of pride in the fact that people eat their food (or rough approximations of something like their food) and tan their skin to supposedly look more like them (not really). Racism is almost unavoidably self-interested. You don’t find many fighting for the other side, thinking their own race is the inferior one. Fans of the Higher Nonsense are here exceptional, because the leftward swing of their own race’s racists convinces them of their race’s inferiority. They’re not interested in the intelligence of other races’ racists, or for unimaginable reasons whether members of other races are racist at all.

    What is a racial nationalist to do, anyway? Base his ideology on racial humility? How’s that supposed to work? That’s like Lee Greenwood singing “Not Proud to be an American (But We’re Stuck With It, So Let’s Make the Best of a Tough Situation).” There are humble reasons to be a racist, and many of them. Some recognize the inevitability of strife given proximity of diversity and go from there. But that’s poor ground for a political movement.

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  45. Why are we using .5 for heredity? That’s a lower bound, most adult IQ numbers show heredity closer to 0.8

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  46. Hello Mr. Chisala
    Let us hope you are right that the 1st generation children of recent African immigrants to the UK and the US exceed expectations that assume a mean IQ of 85 for the population the children come from. Let us hope that continues.

    What data do we have to support or contradict the assumption the immigrant parents have an IQ mean near the mean of the population of their home countries? My googlefoo does not yield a wealth of such data. Are they randomly selected? That does not seem to be the case as illustrated by this PRI story about the diversity lottery. So I will stick with we don’t know what the African immigrant mean IQ of the parents of these children is. I am amenable to further data.

    http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-12-29/winning-green-card-lottery-only-start-harrowing-journey

    In the US one of the concentrations of Nigerian immigrants is in the Houston Texas area. Below are some quotes and the source articles for them:

    “African immigrants, largely Nigerians, are also coming here as London-trained doctors and engineers. “
    “In early 2010, Okperuvwe found a friend from his college days in Lagos on Facebook. He sent a message, and they started chatting. The friend was working in a Texas prison and making good money.”

    With above 40% of the population not even enrolled at the secondary level it seems doubtful the people from these stories are a representative sample of Nigeria. Anecdotal all, but as said I am amenable to further data.

    http://www.humanitiestexas.org/news/articles/stephen-klineberg-houstons-immigrant-advantage

    https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/06/03/nigerians-are-flocking-to-work-in-texas-prisons

    http://wenr.wes.org/2013/07/an-overview-of-education-in-nigeria/

    You seem to be doing the equivalent of looking at Razib’s ancestral nation but not his family to make predictions of his IQ and educational ability. I don’t know what the mean IQ of African immigrant parents is; you don’t seem to either. Perhaps we should add an IQ test as an immigration requirement then we would have a fact to discuss. Even without that time and data will tell. See Steve Hsu’s Information Processing blog and his posts on the search for the genetics of cognitive performance.

    http://infoproc.blogspot.com/

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  47. Seck says:

    I’d ask the author of this post, while you arduously dug into GCSE, 1st generation, 2nd generation, g-value, Standard Deviation, White and Black IQ gap, regression to the mean, etc etc etc to propose your hypothesis,

    Why on earth you didn’t mention all the achievement and scores from this lovely Harold Ekeh, Nigerian immigrants accepted to all Ivy leagues?

    Does it help to support your hypothesis by simply embedding a picture of a Black applicant who received all Ivies offer?

    If you have any means to retrieve all of his qualification and SAT scores, I’ll be much obliged to look at this lovely image of a Nigerians holding all Ivies offer.

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  48. Deduction says:
    @Truth

    So instead of a 67 IQ group, they’re from a 77 IQ group

    Lol, no-one thinks that. Certainly not me. That 67 figure obviously included environmental factors!

    Because I know a number of people from SS Africa exceptionally well, I also know a lot of stories from their back home…I also know their real opinions on this matter, and I don’t disagree.

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  49. Carl says:
    @AndrewR

    No, YOU’RE stupid and your political beliefs are designed to help YOU cope with YOUR stupidity.

    See what I did there?

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  50. martin_2 says:
    @Englishman Abroad

    The white working class and even lower middle class are unique in not valuing education, either for the sake of getting a good job or for its own sake. No other ethnic group in the UK (or anywhere else?) thinks this way.

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  51. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    http://dailypost.ng/

    Read some of the news stories in this Nigerian news source.

    The issue shouldn’t just be about intelligence but personality/character.

    We should know this from Jews. Ashkenazi Jews are very smart, but they have character flaws(which may be genetic) that makes them overly neurotic, obsessive, aspergery, pushy, sadistic, resentful, and etc.

    Maybe Anthony Wiener is a smart guy but his personality is as vile as can be.
    Or consider Alan Dershowitz, Sheldon Adelson, the weasely Zuckerberg, the slimy David Geffen, the horrid Victoria Nuland, the nasty Sarah Silverman, the atrocious Howard Stern, the annoying Albert Brooks(though funny as hell), and etc. Kafka is someone you wanna read, but you don’t want his type to rule the world.

    Personality matters. If there’s a bunch of people with nasty people with IQ of 150 and another bunch of people with with nice personality with IQ of 150(same IQ), their personalities will shape what they do and why they do what they do. The nice smart people will try to get along and be fair. The nasty smart people will act like Jordan Belfort, Netanyahu, or Bernie Madoff.

    Jews have different personalities from white gentiles, just like Southern Italians have different personalities from the Germanics. The Latin and Greek personalities are more temperamental, sleazy, and low. This is why they don’t even trust one another. Whoever met a Greek who trusts a Greek or a Sicilian who trusts a Sicilian?
    So, personality is partly genetic. Of course, I’m not saying that German people are naturally orderly. But it’s easier to shape such people into orderly people since they have more ‘straight’ personalities. Latins, Jews, and Greeks have wiggly personalities like some of their hair.
    This is why Russians(those of more nordic blood) can be turned into solid stuff. As it stands, Russians are boorish, stupid, childish, barbaric, and often ridiculous cuz of bad politics and social management for 100s’ of yrs. But because they naturally have straight personalities, they can be shaped into solid people if Russia were to come under something like a Prussian system. But the problem has been Russia,due to its size and exposure, has been difficult to control and shape.
    While southern Italians and Greeks can be shaped into better stuff, it takes more effort cuz they are a bunch of hothead weasel crybabies by nature.

    Anyway, no personality in the world is as destructive, nasty, vicious, dishonest, bogus, sociopathic, psychopathic, self-centered, inconsiderate, opportunistic, hyena-like, gorilla-like, crocodile-like, baboon-like, cape buffalo-like, jackal-like, chimp-like, vulture-like, honey-badger-like, and hippo-like than that of the Negro.
    Look how Negroes go around sweet-talking all those girls(of all races) into sex and then run off to take no responsibility. Negroes do this in Africa, America, Brazil, and wherever they is stationed. Notice that the current Ms. Negro Japan is the product of some negro dad who didn’t even take care of his kid. And look at Obammy. His daddy took off to stick his whanker into tons of other women. Negroes be a bunch of punkass fools. And Obama’s daddy was a smart guy. It sure didn’t prevent him from acting like a Negro. And look at MLK. Sure, he’s been lionized as some saint, but he was acted like your usual black thug or African chieftain who had to be banging women 24/7 and acting wild.

    Now, such wild men exist among all races, but you have more of them among the Negroes and at all income and achievement levels. Is it any wonder so many marriages to negroes end in divorce?

    [MORE]

    So, the idea that “just because some negro is smart, he will also be responsible” is crazy talk. No, as with Jews like Jordan Belfort, the higher intelligence will only magnify the destructive tendencies of their personalities even more. Sure, the smarter and savvier Negro will be better able to hide his true nature and pretend to be ‘nice’. But a nasty negro is a nasty negro, and if you know the nature of the negro, you would know it is stupid to trust him. Don’t be fooled by the Spook Who Sat out the Door:

    So, why do so many white folks trust Negroes? And this trust isn’t only with dimmer whites but among smart whites. It’s because whites have nicer and straighter personalities. Negros be slick. If you want to understand the Negro, listen to some Jazz. It be slipping and sliding and fishing for surprises. Negroes are not difficult to understand if you know their true nature. I can see through any Negro cuz I knows they’s slickity slackity nature. I never trust no negro, though there is the rare negro like Uncle Thomas Sowell, Uncle Clarence Thomas, and Uncle Ben’s Nice who be straighter than most. (Of course, some negroes are too dumb to play it slickity-slack. Such have to be treated like children who are stronger than you.)
    But Obama, I see through that dude’s phony-ass act from a mile away. No wonder Jews and homos like him. They all wink-wink know that they’re pulling some shit on us.

    Jews, homos, and Negroes have different personalities than most straight white folks. Jews are haggly-waggly, pushy-wushy, weasly-schmeasly. Homos are fancy-pantsy, vain-insane, narcissistic, preening, tootsy-fruitsy. They think they are queens of the world and act like the villainess of SNOW WHITE: mirror mirror on the wall, which ‘homophobes’ won’t bend over to be boofed in the ass and worship us?
    Negroes are funky-wunky, jivey-livey, punkass-monkey-ass, flipping-out, letting the good times rolla-holla-mothafuc*a, bongo-wongo, ugabuga, slickity slack, and like that nutjob Negro in the Brazil crime movie CITY OF GOD.

    So, it’s not just a matter of intelligence. Because these people have extra aggressive, obsessive, self-centered, and nasty personalities, their use of intelligence can lead to a lot of social problems.
    Take Tanehissy Coates. He’s smarter than your average Negro though no genius(like MacArthur flounder would have us believe), but the problem is he has a negro personality that is so self-centered, unreflective, and lacking of genuine introspection.

    Because of the history of oppression of blacks in the US, both negroes and whites tend to be blind to the problematic nature of the negro. Negro plays the role of victim but with the natural personality of a thug-chieftain. A self-centered chieftain is all about ‘me, me, me’ and ‘come here and kiss my ass and suck my dick’.
    Because of his self-centered lunacy, people would see him for the power-mad jerk that he is. But suppose the man with the chieftain-a**hole personality had been enslaved and wronged. Suppose he is free. Now, his chieftain nature will be wailing about ‘poor me, poor me, and poor me’. His self-centered and nasty nature may not be seen for what it is because of his mantle of ‘victimhood’.

    The real problem of blacks in America is no longer their victim-hood. It’s their chieftainhood that is obfuscated by the fog of victimhood. Cuz blacks can always invoke slavery and Jimmity Crow, their nasty personalities tend to be seen as righteous rage against ‘white racist’ oppression. But just look at Black Lives Matter. I mean how morally blind and unreflective that be?
    In the real world, Blacks usually kill other blacks, and blacks also kill, rob, and rape so many whites and other non-blacks, but blacks never feel any remorse about their own bad behavior and just bitch ‘daaaang, all dese racis’ mofos be killing us…. sheeeeeeiiiiit’. There are exceptions like Tommy Sotomayor but even he cannot repress his wildass nature that be about me, me, me.

    And Jews are also problematic cuz their nasty personalities are always invoking the holocaust to cover up their bad behavior. Or Wall Street Jews will rob us left and right and then say, ‘we do what we do cuz we are still traumatized by our grandfathers not being accepted into some wasp golf club.’ Or take that lowlife weiner of Mad Man. Though Jews are more privileged than white gentiles, he goes around saying Jews should not be confused with ‘white privilege’. What an a**hole!!!!

    And then you got the homos. They think entire cities should be shut down just to celebrate… what? The great noble ‘pride’ of men using their penises to fecal-penetrate other men? That is the stuff of ‘pride’ and ‘justice’? Really? Talk about psycho-narcissistic tendencies.

    The West is messed up cuz it allowed Jews, homos, and Negroes with Problem-Personalities to take over and dictate everything.

    Do you want to live in a world ruled by people with personalities of Sarah Silverman, Al Sharpton, and Perez Hilton(or Chris Crocker)?
    Of course, there is no creature worse than a Jew-homo-Negro rolled into one.

    David Ehrenstein is the vile negro-jew-homo apologize of Polanki’s rotten behavior.

    http://fablog.ehrensteinland.com/2013/07/24/the-roman-polanski-review-of-books/

    The shithead calls his blog ‘fablog’.

    What a preening, jivey, and pushy Jomogro.

    Personalities Matter. Take Guillermo. He has a mild personality. Whether his IQ were 80, 100, or 150, he would be a nice guy.

    But too many Negroes, Jews, and homos have Dr. Hyde Personalities.
    Hyde is no smarter than Dr. Jekyll. So, why is a problem? Different personality.
    Personality matters:

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  52. Numinous says:
    @Priss Factor

    Been cucked, have you, Prissy?

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  53. Olorin says:
    @guest

    “Racism is almost unavoidably self-interested. You don’t find many fighting for the other side, thinking their own race is the inferior one. ”

    Which is why all those Africans, Mexicans, Muslims, and Asians want to move to Zambia and Nigeria, right?

    RIGHT?

    http://thosewhocansee.blogspot.com/2014/11/theres-something-about-teutonics.html

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  54. Fred Reed says:

    In fairness to the hbd people, they in fact have a more charitable view of the intelligence of blacks than is often thought. In particular, they believe that American blacks are capable of running modern societies with airlines, telecommunications, universities, the usual medical specialists with the usual instrumentation, well-engineered highways, and so on.

    One can see this simply by noting their observation that American blacks have a mean IQ of 85, and Mexicans—who do all the aforesaid things—of 87. This is true at any rate unless those two points of difference are larger and more powerful than normal IQ points. It follows that the huge difference in achievement between groups of essentially identical IQ must be due to something other than intelligence, probably culture. Thus we see that the hbd people are in agreement with the New York Times.

    The assertion that black immigrants are self-selected for intelligence is amusing, since HBD folk also assert that Latin immigrants are self-selected for lack of intelligence: the stupid who can’t make it at home, etc. It then turns out that Mexican immigrants in the US have higher IQs than Mexicans who did not immigrate. That is, the lower-IQ immigrants have higher IQs than the higher-IQ group who stayed home. This is mathematically fascinating.

    The following proves nothing, but might give rise to thought, among any disposed to think.

    http://fredoneverything.org/the-racism-racket-in-the-schools/

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  55. @JayMan

    This means that the children of such immigrants ultimately do not regress toward…

    Apparently, you misunderstood me.

    That’s the true [sic] for the third generation (and all subsequent ones).

    Hence the word “ultimately.” I did not misunderstand you.

    Putting aside the glaringly obvious fact that these regressions are anything but “slight” (from the 115 IQ parent)

    Wait, are you just arguing semantics here? We gave numbers to all our calculations. Either the numbers work, or they don’t. Don’t criticize our adjectives.

    I am not “arguing semantics” or arguing anything here — hence “Putting aside”.

    Immigration always involves selection to some extent. Or are you saying those who show up in the West are there just by pure luck vs. their compatriots at home?

    Fallacy alert: The false dichotomy.

    To what extent is that “some extent”? That’s the question. Tell us to what extent you believe the African immigrants are selected and what you base those estimates on; in short, “ground it in reality.”

    Let me propose another one: say you took from the top 5% in IQ of Black Americans and brought them to the UK. Would their children perform better than White British?

    Let’s do the math. Mean Black American IQ = 85. SD = 12

    Top 5% would then be those with IQ > 105, with a mean of 110.

    Now, the next generation (assuming endogamous mating and no selection by IQ within this group), given the Breeder’s equation (assuming an additive heritability for IQ of 0.6), would have an average IQ of 100, or equal to that of White British.

    And now we have a red herring.

    Your counter-example of black elites who are the top 5 % in IQ is a random selection that is merely worked backwards (from the answer) to show that it is theoretically possible for children of blacks, at some level of selection (and appropriately chosen additive heritabilities, SDs etc), to score equal to the white average. That (theoretical possibility) was never in contention. But you’re responding to an “example” that is actually derived from real data; it’s insufficient to simply show how it can work at some selection levels.

    If your point from all this is that the first generation African immigrants to the UK (or the US) have a mean IQ of at least 110, then make that claim explicitly, and show how that estimate is derived from reality: it’s not a theoretical question at that point, it is an empirical question. Suggesting that your estimate is true because it is working would be a circular argument.

    (I’ll check the thread occasionally, though I may be occupied with completing part 2 in time. Thank you all for the feedback!).

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  56. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @Numinous

    Keep kidding around.

    All I know is I was correct about America’s future in the early 90s when conservatives were saying I was being ‘hysterical’. Those dummy cons thought the future was theirs cuz GOP took both houses in 94. I said it means nothing in the long run cuz of racial and demographic factors.

    And now, more glibness. But what I say will come true in a few decades.
    Race + sex + numbers + identity = future.

    I will be right, though I don’t want to be.

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  57. Svigor says:

    I love it. Great news. Africa’s fine on her own. And Africans can stay there and fix their own countries – without our help – instead of swarming ours. Maybe they can take America’s black population and fix them, too.

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  58. @Fred Reed

    Fred,

    Given my deep respect for you, your column and your intellect, I very tepidly step into the ring on parts of your comment.

    Obviously, I speak only for myself, but I feel that my views are fairly typical of low-level HBDers.

    First, I’ve generally seen the average of IQ of Mestizo Mexicans at ~92, not 87, but that’s just me.

    Second, my own extraordinarily uneducated view of Mexico and many Central and South American countries – at least the ones that have functioning 2nd world to near 1st world economies – is that they have something of a bifurcated population. Part of the population (10% on the low end to as high as 60% to 70%) is mostly of European (Spanish, Italian, German) descent. This white to near-white population makes up the elite, upper-middle class and much of the middle class. This European group also provides the vast majority of the brain power (engineers, technicians, etc.) needed for a modern economy.

    The Mestizo population does the grunt work for the most part, but like any population, you’ll have a variety of abilities.

    If 50% of your population is basically European, your country can maintain sectors of the economy and large portions of your cities at European levels; you just can’t maintain European levels for all of your economy and cities. Of course, this type of society relies on the Mestizo population exhibiting generally social behaviors. But with an average IQ of 92, that seems plausible. Indeed, don’t we see such situations in the U.S. I mean, Los Angeles and Dallas aren’t Detroit. Hell, even El Paso isn’t Detroit and what’s that city’s white population.

    So, no, I don’t know of HBDers comparing Mestizo Mexicans to blacks. Not even close.

    As to the IQ of Mexican immigrants to those left behind, I have no clue.

    My personal view is that we already have a Mexico (and from what I’ve heard, it’s not a bad place), we don’t need another. Of course, I’m with you that if Americans don’t want Mexicans to come across the border, it might help to stop making it so worth their while to do so.

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  59. RaceRealist says: • Website
    @Fred Reed

    “It follows that the huge difference in achievement between groups of essentially identical IQ must be due to something other than intelligence, probably culture.”

    What kind of conclusion is that? It doesn’t make sense. Just because 2 groups are 1 or 2 points off, doesn’t make it come down to culture.

    So other ethnic groups/races (because Mexico is not a homogenous place) with a difference of 2 points, that would also come down to ‘culture differences’?

    “The assertion that black immigrants are self-selected for intelligence is amusing, since HBD folk also assert that Latin immigrants are self-selected for lack of intelligence: the stupid who can’t make it at home, etc.”

    Mexican Americans have an IQ of 88. The lower IQ ones are coming here, the elite (who trace their ancestry to Spain) stay there, while the poor low IQ people come to America. You can’t even say that ‘the one IQ point difference is a result of the differing cultures’ because a one point gap is to be expected with the margin of error plus or minus a few points.

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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    Oh my Chanda,
    You have discovered one of Jayman’s go to devices!
    Start from the position that you are always right, and proceed with your proof from there!
    It works for things like free will, obesity, and a host of others.
    He’s a fun read, nonetheless, but it’s hilarious that he bans people for pointing out his nonsense.

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  61. Stealth says:
    @Hannah Katz

    We just superior to everyone else period. And if you disagree you racist!

    Why is it that when I read that I imagine a man from China saying it?

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  62. rec1man says:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_28780350/list-california-national-merit-scholar-semifinalists-2015-2016

    has the California National Merit List for 2016

    How many of these are the high achieving blacks ?

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  63. Rdm says:
    @Stealth

    Maybe you need to comply what Dr said. Two tablets per day.

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  64. @martin_2

    “The white working class and even lower middle class are unique in not valuing education”

    No longer true, at least in the South East (I have friends from the North West who tell me stories about the doings of the local chavs, but I take those with a pinch of salt).

    35 years ago I knew working class kids whose families actively attempted to sabotage their chances of going to university. It doesn’t happen much now. The White working class have cottoned on.

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  65. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3260410/Woman-labour-stuns-midwife-conquers-contractions-doing-Whip-Nae-Nae-hospital-corridor.html

    Whatever the IQ of Negroes, their nature is wild and crazy.
    Look at the crazy ho’s in the news article above.
    Could people with such nature have come up with modern medicine and hospitals?
    White people run modern institutions, and even blacks who work there follow the guidance of whites.
    But too many blacks, and all turns to hell.
    And it’s not just about intelligence. Take Obama’s father who was a smart guy. He was a wild mofo.
    And let’s say Michelle is an above-average IQ Negress. Even so, she has to make an effort to be civilized and classy. Her true nature is to be a jive-ass ho.
    Even a world with lots of smart blacks will fall apart since too many of them are crazy.

    We have in blacks a people with stronger muscles and wilder nature. Such a race is gonna be a threat to whites.
    So, whites need to put this IQ bull-jive topic aside.
    They should just say, “we don’t want to live with negroes cuz they are a threat to our well-being and pride.”
    Look, if a bunch of bonobo-folks said that they don’t want their own territory to be invaded by more aggressive and stronger chimp-folks, would that be a bad thing?

    Whether blacks are smart or not is immaterial; they need to stay in Africa. Africa is huge and much can be done with it. Why should blacks come to Europe and take white women and beat up white men who will be wussified into white boys?

    Yeah, yeah, I know Lib Jews make a big stink about ‘racism’, but last I checked, lots of Jews left South Africa once the Negroes began to go wild, which is their true nature.
    And in the US, Jews do everything to push city blacks out to gentrify neighborhoods.

    [MORE]

    And look at the article below.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-34422258

    Maybe all these Nigerians are smart. But their negro nature makes them act like a bunch of jiveass mofos. I mean who the hell wants to live with such people?

    Some Nigerians may flee to the West from the bad Negroes, but guess what? These Nigerians who flee from Nigeria also carry the crazy gene and will birth to jive-ass kids.
    The media tend to focus on successful African immigrants, but there are lots of Africans who come to Europe and mess things up. For every Nigerian who is going to Harvard, there are lots of Nigerian immigrants who are up to no good and acting wild.

    The BBC article says Nigerians behave better in the West cuz whites enforce rules. But as white share of the population grows smaller in the West, as PC teaches non-whites to hate whites, and as black immigrants realize they can whup white butt with impunity, how is this all gonna end?

    Negroes have a giant continent all to theyselves. They need to live there, make it better, and use their smarts. They need to stop coming to the West, and the Western elites need to stop coddling and favoring smart blacks over whites. They are race traitor cuck-roaches.

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  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
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    I’m a middle-class Jew. Screwing up life for middle class Whites by mandating expansion of Section 8-type housing in their neighborhoods or making the schools their children attend dangerous would quite likely screw up life for people like me as well because middle class Jews also live in those neighborhoods and send their kids to those schools. You seem to hate all Jews, but it’s not people like me who are funding astroturf protests in Ferguson or pushing for the affirmative housing rules.

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  67. @Priss Factor

    I mean who the hell wants to live with such people?

    Anyone who gives credence to the article, which also says, “The same Nigerians who find it impossible to queue up at the Murtala Muhammed Airport in Lagos immediately stand in line when they arrive at Heathrow.”

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  68. @Antonymous

    There is a difference between a 200K+ per year athlete or musician and an ethnic group self-selected for intelligence.

    Firstly the 200K+ is a slightly different group than the group I focused on, but still: How do you know those are mostly athletes and musicians? Do children of athletes and musicians also have the highest SAT scores among blacks?

    And it’s the household income, not individual income.

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  69. jay-w says:
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    The Mestizo population does the grunt work for the most part,

    Sure. The Mexican lower class obviously does not contribute anything intellectual, but they work very hard and — unlike the USA underclass — they are not disruptive. That is really important!

    Even the (allegedly) high homicide rates in Mexico are really confined to only a few geographical areas, mostly near the US border. I live in the Yucatan, and the homicide rate down here is less than 2 per 100,000; that’s about the same as Montana or Idaho.

    I have lived in Mexico for about 6 years, and (like Fred Reed) I am married to a Mexican, and I just don’t see much difference between middle class Mexicans and middle class Americans. (I have no first-hand experience with the super-rich, but I would assume they are equally obnoxious in both countries.)

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  70. Anon99 says:
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    Who said he is only at 99.9th percentile?

    Minimum.

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  71. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
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    “You seem to hate all Jews.”

    No, I love sensible middle class Jews with sane personalities.

    It’s just that too many powerful Jews got them neurotic aspergy nutty personalities.

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  72. The thrust of Pumpkin’s counter depended on an assumption that is astonishingly misguided. Whereas most experts find it quite difficult to estimate the quantity or even direction of immigrant selection, Pumpkin believes he has found the easy way to do this: you can merely compare the incomes of the immigrants in their rich host country with the average incomes in their poverty-stricken source populations and you have an IQ differential that tells you how select the immigrants were since IQ and income are correlated!…No matter how much I pointed out to him that there is no logical correlation between nominal individual incomes of people from such vastly different economies with IQ (no one has even claimed that)

    The point is that among children living in the same country, there is a correlation between childhood IQ and adult income. Children who grow up to be prosperous score much higher in childhood than children who grow up to live in poverty. You seem to think the correlation only applies if the children stay in their home countries. I don’t, since putting yourself in the right place at the right time is one of the essential skills in getting rich. Even within the same country, those who move out of the rural slums into the rich urban areas tend to be smarter and get richer. I see immigration to richer countries as largely an extension of the same trend.

    Pumpkin insisted that he had a useful tool that solves the problem. In short, he sincerely believes that African nurses who migrate to the UK have a higher real IQ than African surgeons who remain in Africa since such nurses are getting much more money in the UK compared to the surgeons!

    I never said that, but what I do believe is that even among people with similar education, those with higher IQs tend to become more prosperous.

    The reason immigrants are so highly selected for IQ is that they are not only more educated than those who stay at home, but more prosperous too (either before or after migrating). In other words, they are selected for not one, but two proxies for IQ: book smarts (education level) and street smarts (income level).

    I also have doubts on his mathematical application of “the parent-child IQ correlation” in these calculations, which looks like a non sequitur since that correlation doesn’t necessarily imply that the children should have a lower IQ than the parents. If this is what he is using for regression to the mean, it is very confused, not to mention that Karlin or Jayman should have jumped on him for contradicting the breeder’s equation since this is being applied after “several generations” of immigration, when regression should have already stopped.

    Regression to the mean should occur only in the children of immigrants, however it may take a few generations to get accurate test scores since the first few generations may suffer from sub-optimum nutrition and language barriers.

    At the end, Pumpkinperson even threatens to add more points to the immigrants’ estimated IQ since there are many other social benefits of being in the UK besides their nominal incomes (he already factored in their education levels in the UK after “several generations”,

    The first generation of immigrants is highly educated

    With such liberally adjustable estimates of important quantitative variables available for your calculations, without the need to be firmly grounded in reality, you have the makings of a pseudoscience, in the truest Popperian sense: you can never be wrong no matter what the data says!

    Your assumption of minimal difference between migrants and those who stay home is much more pseudoscientific because it ignores the fact that migrants are high on variables KNOWN to be correlated with IQ.


    I do not really know how it works in Jamaica, but I am quite confident that realizing that life is better in a very rich country than in your poor country is never exactly the most g-loaded epiphany among Africans. The immigration problem exists in Western countries precisely because just about everyone in the poor world has that “willingness to migrate” virtue; it is why there are no open borders. And if you know anything about the popularity of things like the green card lottery, you would probably suspect that it is not just a select few people at the top who possess this special insight.

    Jensen (1998) cited research showing a positive correlation between IQ and voluntary migration. It might not take a genius to realize life is better in rich countries, but translating that realization into reality, in the face of overwhelming competition from others who want to enter rich countries, does take resourcefulness.

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  73. I no longer bother with erudite discussions and “peer reviewed” studies of this-n’-that. Just ask a real expert about “elevating Black IQ”: Mark “Facebook” Zuckerberg. Recently he sank $1oo million of his Wall St. stock-capitalized-via-Federal-Reserve debtbucks into the (Black) Newark N.J. school system. Disappeared without a trace, and at last word no improvement in Black IQ. National Public Radio – reds, sodomites, and other Jews – managed to do an entire story on this bi-ethnic debacle w/o mentioning the word Black (or Negro, or “African-American”) so much as once

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  74. iffen says:

    This means that the genetic hypothesis is empirically falsified by black Africans even if it was validated by black Americans, despite the fact that the latter are supposed to even be helped by the presence of more white genes in them, as the same hereditarians have always argued!

    If the genetic material that depresses IQ is as important or more important than the genetic material that boosts IQ, how do we know that the European admixture did not have an adverse effect on black American IQ?

    The people who admixed with black Americans was a self-selected group. What was their IQ mean? Or do we assume that the admixing group was in every way representative of the larger European group?

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  75. @Priss Factor

    “Whether blacks are smart or not is immaterial; they need to stay in Africa. Africa is huge and much can be done with it. Why should blacks come to Europe and take white women and beat up white men who will be wussified into white boys?”

    Have you ever really been around blacks? The average average black is anything but athletic or freakishly strong. Unless it’s a huge issue in other places, I don’t see all that much intermingling either, not that it’s any of my business what people do with their personal lives.

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  76. Rifleman says:
    @Priss Factor

    We have in blacks a people with stronger muscles and wilder nature. Such a race is gonna be a threat to whites.

    Or to emasculated Prissy boys like you.

    Last time I checked history White people conquered much of Africa, developed a massive racist slave trade and in the US enslaved, dominated, lynched and beat the hell out of blacks for 350 years.

    Apparently you didn’t notice.

    Not all White men are as Prissy as you Andrea.

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  77. @jay-w

    Exactly my point. Lower-class Mexicans seem to be generally decent folk. They’re not going to become the engineers and higher-level IT workers that a modern economy is going to need but they also won’t make it impossible for others to create that economy.

    That’s why I don’t understand Fred’s use of high-tech sectors or functioning parts of cities or reasonable infrastructure in some (maybe even many) parts of Mexico and South American countries as an example that mestizos are equal (or very close) in IQ to whites. Outside of a few exceptions, it’s not the mestizos that are creating and maintaining those modern aspects of those countries.

    Yea, the mestizo population is helping to build those factories and roads and airports but it’s almost always under the guidance of whites and likely doing lower level work. But to their credit, the mestizos work hard and aren’t particularly violent.

    In addition, assuming that they do have an IQ of ~92, that allows them to do a lot of reasonably skilled work. Are they going to become electrical engineers? No, or, at least, it’s going to be extremely rare. But they can be mechanics, and that’s quite useful.

    Basically, you can have a reasonably functioning modern economy with a population comprised of 50% European descent and 50% mestizos. It won’t be on par with Denmark, but it’ll work. OTHO, a country with a population that’s 50% white and 50% black is going to be a mess.

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  78. There are no good lies because there is no bad truth. Chandra Chisala thinks otherwise. He is a clever man who writes like a lawyer trying to hide the truth rather than a scientist trying to find it. Look at this quote of his and then let me tell you a bit about his life. He says ” I do not believe that the current immigration system in the US or UK mostly selects for the best people from places like Africa” Chandra Chisala chose his words carefully and deceitfully as a good lawyer should substituting the word best for intelligent and hoping no one would notice. Chandra got out of Zaire Africa because he is bright and if he wasn’t bright he would still be there. He got his degree in biochemistry from a University in Zaire and has worked his way up to a fellowship at Stanford.

    He knows all his clever arguments are thrown out the window IF the intellectual elite from Africa are the ones that get out and are tested and compared to the average folk of the UK and the US, so he lied top cover it up.

    Forget about Chandra and his lawyerly obfuscations, what matters is the big picture that has been hidden from John Q Public in order to perpetuate “the good lie.” Africa is fucked. Guys like Chandra are getting the hell out. It is projected from population growth in the present to reach a population of 4 billion by 2200. Of course it will never get there. Death by disease, starvation, and war will control the population of these poor people long before they get to 4 billion people.

    “The good lie” that we are all born exactly equal or near enough that the difference is inconsequential has been sold to us and is being sold to us in order to combat racism. So let us hide our heads in the sand and wish away the looming horrors that are to sweep the continent of Africa in our lifetime, shall we? Just a little more education and positive thinking and Africa won’t splat on the hard rock floor at the bottom of the malthusian trap.

    There is no bad truth because to hide from the truth is to deny reality and when you deny reality you lose the ability to control your destiny. Chandra is proud of his popularity in google searches, he will go back to the good life at Stanford University and watch the coming horrors gripping Africa from afar.

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  79. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website
    @OilcanFloyd

    “The average average black is anything but athletic or freakishly strong.”

    The average Negro isn’t Mike Tyson, of course.

    But he is still tougher than the average white.

    Is the average Negro a thug? No, but there are many more thugs than among whites.

    Also, even non-thug Negroes have different outlooks and personalities that makes them prone to lying more, cheating more, stealing more, and etc.

    You will find more sociopathic behavior among blacks. Even nicer blacks are like this.
    Negro personality is like their hair. Nappy. It is wiggly, not straight.

    Also, even nice negroes will take white women, and then more white women will use their wombs — designed by 10,000s of evolution by and for white genes — for black babies, and that means disgrace for white males. Look, if the women of your race reject your kind and use their wombs to take seeds of men of other races to raise kids for men of other races(that is kicking the butt of your race), that is just loser-shit.

    Nice Negro or Nasty Negro, white men are gonna lose. When the men of a race lose the respect of the women of the race, that race is over.

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  80. Chuck says:
    @Dr James Thompson

    Dear Chanda and James,

    I think that it would be useful to look at the CAT4 standardization data. Could we email GL assessment together and request that? If yes, I will pen an email and Cc you both.

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  81. Chuck says:
    @rec1man

    If I get the full 2016 semifinalist list n = 1600, will you help me code names by ethnic groups?

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  82. @dave chamberlin

    Quite funny post.

    Firstly, I’m not Chandra and Zaire does not exist. But that’s OK.

    He says ” I do not believe that the current immigration system in the US or UK mostly selects for the best people from places like Africa” Chandra Chisala chose his words carefully and deceitfully as a good lawyer should substituting the word best for intelligent and hoping no one would notice.

    No, by “best” I actually did mean intelligent, since that’s the subject. The “lawyerly” word you missed there is “mostly”.

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  83. @Chuck

    Sounds good.

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  84. Whether African ethnic groups have different IQ averages and distributions is a factual question that can be answered by administering tests to different groups. Some might in fact have average IQs equal to or higher than some white groups, but what the author presents as evidence shows little or nothing: it’s not worth arguing about. This is a waste of time and effort. Get the data and settle the question factually.

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  85. Sam Shama says:
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    Chanda,
    A simple thought, actually a question that occurred to me as I was reading your exchanges with Jay Man: The 2nd generation offspring of high IQ immigrant parents, do they have to necessarily and unavoidably be of high IQ ? (this has to do with your use of ‘ultimately’ in response to Jay Man’s example of his own lineage and IQ). In other words, isn’t the heritability equation an empirical ‘formula’ in essence, estimated from statistical methods? Since if it is, then the heritability outcomes should only hold for the average of samples obtained in repeated trials and not in individual cases, which it would had it been a relationship driven by a set of non-violable laws of physics.

    thanks.

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  86. @Priss Factor

    “The average Negro isn’t Mike Tyson, of course.

    But he is still tougher than the average white.”

    I’ve done more than my fair share of blue collar physical labor and played different sports with literally hundreds of black guys, and don’t find that to be true. What are you basing your claims on? Going to prison and committing violent crimes at a far higher rate isn’t the same as being tough. I don’t know why anyone would be worried about blacks eclipsing whites. The media, government, sports entertainment industry and ad agencies have a 24/7/365 job making black men look good, and even that’s not getting any real results.

    It’s probably difficult for white women to reject black men because almost every interaction with a black person is a needless pain in the ass, but miscegenation is hardly a big issue.

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  87. Chuck says:
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    “Jensen (1998) cited research showing a positive correlation between IQ and voluntary migration.”

    Might you provide a page number? One does find the same when looking at internal immigration within nations.

    As for computing selection, one problem is that we don’t know what the genetic correlation (i.e., the portion of the correlation due to genes) between parental education and IQ is for Africans in Africa. Amongst White british it seems to be between 0.50 and 1.

    “The genetic correlation between family SES at age 7 and children’s IQ at age 7 is near unity, indicating that the same genes affect both variables (Table 2). Despite the large standard error for GCTA estimates of genetic correlations, the genetic correlation is significantly greater than zero and not significantly lower than 1.0. We also conducted bivariate GCTA for family SES at age 7 and children’s IQ at age 12 (family SES was not assessed at age 12). The GCTA genetic correlation was 0.66, which was again significantly greater than zero and not significantly lower than 1.0.” (Trzaskowski et al. 2014)

    Do we even know what the correlation between IQ and education amongst Africans is, let alone between child’s IQ and parental education? From what I recall Cueto and Leon (2012) found a correlation between child’s PPVT and parental education of about 0.5 in the Young Lives representative Ethiopian sample. What’s the typically found correlation in the U.S.?

    I agree with Chanda that immigrant selection is an epicycle. Yet epicycles are justified when there is a wider body of evidence supporting a position. And there is in this case. Nonetheless we have some explananda not to be dismissed and we can thank the author for reminding us of this.

    Hopefully he will provide novel data — though probably not to me — in his following posts.

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  88. Meanwhile, science advances.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3252479/Intelligent-people-s-brains-wired-differently-Researchers-say-smart-minds-likely-happy-educated-earn-more.html

    I picked one of the few articles on the subject that uses the word “intelligence.”

    This is just the beginning, but I doubt it will persuade many people. First they must validate the results, then examine the genetic/hereditarian aspects.

    I just hope they don’t cut off funding, strangle the baby in the crib, so to speak.

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  89. Molag Bal says:
    @Rifleman

    And then those same conquering white males lost the alien nation of South Africa to blacks.

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  90. helena says:
    @Priss Factor

    “And among Caucasians, Europeans seem to edge out Arabs while Jewish Semites of Ashkenazi origin edge out Europeans. ”

    If it is true that Ashkenazis are 50-60% European, then the accurate label is Europeans of Ashkenazi heritage, or Ashkenazi Europeans. Ashkenazis are said to be European-Jewish admixed, so that’s what Ashkenazi means. The word semitic, though meaning Arabs and Jews, is only ever used in relation to anti-semitism (never to semitism!). So your sentence says, in effect, Jewish, Jewish, Jewish-European.

    I’ve said it before, it looks odd to me that a survey compares a small sub-group with a huge parent group, unless the survey is specifically about the sub-group (i.e. subjective in survey focus) and not intending to demonstrate a comparison between all relevant sub-groups that make up the parent group (i.e. objective in terms of like-for-like populations). Is, this widely accepted comparison the result of comparing all European sub-populations?

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  91. @Molag Bal

    “And then those same conquering white males lost the alien nation of South Africa to blacks.”

    Wrong. They stupidly GAVE it away.

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  92. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    “I’ve done more than my fair share of blue collar physical labor and played different sports with literally hundreds of black guys, and don’t find that to be true.”

    You lyin’!!!!!!!! Or you is craaaaaaaaaazy.

    “The media, government, sports entertainment industry and ad agencies have a 24/7/365 job making black men look good, and even that’s not getting any real results.”

    Look at working class and lower-middle class America. It’s falling apart.
    If you add section 8 and African immigration to the mix, it is demise for the white race.

    “It’s probably difficult for white women to reject black men because almost every interaction with a black person is a needless pain in the ass, but miscegenation is hardly a big issue.”

    Have you driven through small towns, especially in the South?
    It is becoming a very big issue.
    And in places like Cleveland, so many old white folks are raising mulatto kids from their daughters who had flings with negro thugs.

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  93. Deduction says:
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    Every African I know knows that the average intelligence of those back home is not very high, as I am sure you do too Chisala.

    I think that asking you to outright admit it is probably to ask to much of you but I 100 percent believe that you agree in your inner thoughts.

    And more than that, I believe that your most private thoughts to major world events mirror the following:

    Ebola – population control

    Current white fertility rates – a tragedy

    Colonialism – a government that allowed people as capable as you to maintain power and a positive if emotionally hurtful thing.

    Traditional African village life – a lifestyle that allowed the talented African tenth to properly look after and restrict the African majority.

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  94. @Molag Bal

    I hate to point out the obvious but the Boers fell only when the Europeans and Yanks sided with the blacks. They were beaten by whites.

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  95. Deduction says:
    @Priss Factor

    You live in an entirely different world from me, but then, but I’ve been all around the globe and, I suspect, you just watch TV.

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  96. @fredyetagain aka superhonky

    @Molag Bal
    “And then those same conquering white males lost the alien nation of South Africa to blacks.”

    Wrong. They stupidly GAVE it away.

    No, their ancestors gave it away when they, either stupidly or venally, allowed Bantus to come into their territory to work.

    There is no excuse for that, ever. On any continent.

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  97. Jefferson says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “But to their credit, the mestizos work hard and aren’t particularly violent.”

    Mestizos are not particularly violent, are you on crack? If that were true, why is the homicide rate in Latin America so much higher than in Europe?

    Are you seriously going to argue that Mexicans and Nicaraguans are just as law abiding as Austrians and the Swiss?

    “Basically, you can have a reasonably functioning modern economy with a population comprised of 50% European descent and 50% mestizos.”

    Can you name any 1st world country where at least 50 percent of the population is Mestizo?

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  98. Molag Bal says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    The Boers shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

    What happened to paying homage to the respective living spaces of the races?

    Why do White Nationalists bemoan the fall of South Africa (an alien state established by an equally alien race) and denounce ethnic and cultural diversity yet assert that Europe–the rightful ancestral homeland of the Anglo–is being unjustly invaded by racial aliens whom are most certainly not of White European stock?

    Are Black Africans not permitted to hold on to archaic lands that they’ve occupied for thousands of years?

    Or is racial liberty and self-determinism reserved for those of a fair skin complexion?

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  99. @Deduction

    Every African I know knows that the average intelligence of those back home is not very high, as I am sure you do too Chisala.

    I see. You asked the African emigrants who is smarter between the African emigrants and the Africans “back home” and they chose “African emigrants”?

    Hmm.

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  100. rec1man says:
    @Chuck

    I counted Indian names, 301 Indian names, out of 2200 total,. excluding South Asian muslim and Christian names, who are not easily identifiable as South Asian – The author should be able to identify Nigerian names

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  101. Jefferson says:
    @jay-w

    “Even the (allegedly) high homicide rates in Mexico”

    There is no allegedly, it is 100 percent fact that Mexico has a high homicide rate. It is not some conspiracy theory invented by the Jews to make Mexico look bad, Mexico is indeed a violent nation.

    “I live in the Yucatan, and the homicide rate down here is less than 2 per 100,000; that’s about the same as Montana or Idaho.”

    Yucatan is nowhere near representative of the Mexican average when it comes to homicide. The nationwide homicide for Mexico is 21.5 per 100,000.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

    Mexico has a higher per capita murder rate than most Sub Saharan African countries.

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  102. pyrrhus says:

    The complete absence of anything resembling high civilization, art, science, technology or philosophy in subSaharan Africa should close the debate on the average intelligence of the population. It is plainly much lower than even southernmost Europe.

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  103. Stealth says:
    @Rdm

    Only two? Wat do you think I am, a wuss?

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  104. @Priss Factor

    @Priss

    “You lyin’!!!!!!!! Or you is craaaaaaaaaazy.”

    Lying or crazy? How so? Anyone who has played youth and high school sports in the South has literally competed against hundreds of black guys. And many white men work physical, blue collar jobs. I know nothing about elite athletes or prison thugs, but I have a lifetime of experience with average blacks.

    I agree that middle class and working class America is being destroyed, but it isn’t black brains or brawn that is behind the destruction. Blacks just add to the chaos.

    White demographics aren’t threatened by mulattoes. I live in a small southern town, and I see mixed children every now and then, but they aren’t that numerous.

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  105. @Molag Bal

    “Black Africans” did not occupy what became the Cape Colony. The Dutch beat them there. The inhabitants were what we variously call Hotentots, Bushmen, San, or Khoi. What you defend is Bantu Manifest Destiny.

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  106. @wrd9

    In London, blacks are 12% of the population yet commit the majority of crime – over 50% of robbery and street crime, 67% of gun crime.

    There is “gun crime” in London? I thought they outlawed the damn things– except for foreign Olympians. The law basically treats everybody as black.

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  107. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Basically, you can have a reasonably functioning modern economy with a population comprised of 50% European descent and 50% mestizos. It won’t be on par with Denmark, but it’ll work. OTHO, a country with a population that’s 50% white and 50% black is going to be a mess.

    South Africa is 8% white and 80% black, and it just hosted the world cup.

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  108. Truth says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    but miscegenation is hardly a big issue.

    LMFAO!

    Well if that’s the case, how come every time Sailer writes a post on it, he gets 300 responses?

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  109. Truth says:
    @Deduction

    I think that asking you to outright admit it is probably to ask to much of you but I 100 percent believe that you agree in your inner thoughts.

    And more than that, I believe that your most private thoughts to major world events mirror the following:

    Mr Cayce?

    Did you find a way to resurrect yourself?

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  110. Numinous says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    As per the history I have read, Bantus never competed with the Dutch for the Cape Colony. That piece of turf remained with the Dutch (VOC) and the Khoi (until they got assimilated into the “colored” population or were wiped out) until the British took it away forcibly. As far as I am aware, Bantus didn’t move to the Cape Colony until British rule was well underway. On the other hand, Bantus (Xhosas, Zulus) were most definitely in the Eastern Cape, Natal, and Transvaal areas before any Dutchman, who then (after being kicked out of the Cape by the British) proceeded to forcibly take those lands from the blacks. So even by your warped sense of morality, you have to admit that the Boers took land that did not belong to them from people who were there before.

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  111. @pumpkinperson

    The point is that among children living in the same country, there is a correlation between childhood IQ and adult income. Children who grow up to be prosperous score much higher in childhood than children who grow up to live in poverty. You seem to think the correlation only applies if the children stay in their home countries. I don’t, since putting yourself in the right place at the right time is one of the essential skills in getting rich. Even within the same country, those who move out of the rural slums into the rich urban areas tend to be smarter and get richer. I see immigration to richer countries as largely an extension of the same trend.

    Where to begin.

    Perhaps a thought experiment?

    Suppose the United States suddenly became a poor country today by electing a communist or something. Some “resourceful” people decide to move out.

    Those in the northern states mostly run to Canada and those in the southern states mostly cross into Mexico, which are both doing much better than the US.

    If Mexico happens to become much more prosperous than Canada in this new global economy (maybe they discover new oil or elect a free market president or something), and the American emigrants to Mexico naturally become more prosperous than those who migrated to Canada, would you use the incomes (of the children) of these emigrants (when they grow up) to show that those who went to Mexico have a much higher IQ than those who went to Canada (relative to those who remained in the US)?

    Answer that briefly first so that we can understand how you’re processing this.

    [Your response to this question should not be to keep trying to argue that those who emigrate are smarter than those who don't, because the contention against you in this particular case is how you are quantifying that relative smartness. Like I said to Jayman above, the question of how you quantify selection is very different from the question of whether selection is there or not.]

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  112. @Truth

    “LMFAO!

    Well if that’s the case, how come every time Sailer writes a post on it, he gets 300 responses?”

    The point is that miscegenation isn’t driving demographic change, and judging by the number of older high-yellows, there has always been a certain amount anyway. Hell, we might even get a future president out of it….God willing, of course.

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  113. Deduction says:
    @Truth

    That’s amazing. It allowed a super rich NGO to hold football matches in their country and it wasn’t a disaster.

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  114. Deduction says:
    @Truth

    It’s not supernatural. It’s knowledge and experience combined with empathy.

    The knowledge that this stuff is obvious.

    The experience that intelligent Africans recognise this too.

    And the empathy to read between the lines to recognise when an honest and intelligent man wishes to dance around an issue so as to avoid addressing it.

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  115. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    you always say this and get corrected, yet you continue repeating it.

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  116. TWS says:
    @Numinous

    So what? Every human population alive has done the same with the possible exception of the Sentillese Islanders. People take other people’s property people move into other people’s territory. It’s part of being human.

    You don’t have to like it but not liking it doesn’t make it less true.

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  117. iffen says:
    @Numinous

    You always make excellent comments.

    TWS has a good comment.

    Can you explain exactly what you mean by your warped sense of morality?

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  118. Truth says:
    @Deduction

    Mexico didn’t “allow” it.

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  119. Truth says:
    @Deduction

    It’s not supernatural. It’s knowledge and experience combined with empathy.

    Either that or extreme arrogance, take your pick.

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  120. Sebastian says:
    @Jefferson

    Can you name any 1st world country where at least 50 percent of the population is Mestizo?

    Chile is approaching First World status (or is already there, depending on whom you ask), and has a Mestizo majority. Please don’t cite outdated CIA Factbook data, which relied too much on self-reporting, to the contrary. All the recent DNA studies consistently demonstrate that Chile is a predominantly Mestizo country.

    See the charts here:

    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2015/150317/ncomms7472/full/ncomms7472.html

    And also:

    On the average, American and European genetic contributions were similar and significantly higher than the African contribution. Weighted mean American, European and African genetic contributions of 44.34% ± 3 9%, 51.85% ± 5.44% and 3.81% ± 0.45%, were estimated.

    http://www.scielo.cl/scielo.php?pid=S0034-98872014000300001&script=sci_arttext

    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?184231-Why-do-people-still-think-that-Chile-doesn-t-have-a-mestizo-majority

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  121. Numinous says:
    @TWS

    I wasn’t stating a general principle, but responding to a comment that seemed to indicate that the Boers had more of a right to southern African territory than its current Bantu inhabitants. It’s possible the OP was specifically talking about the Cape Colony (I thought he referred to the whole of South Africa), and if so, I stand corrected. I was just stating a couple of facts.

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  122. Numinous says:
    @iffen

    The OPs comment “The Dutch beat them there” rubbed me the wrong way, that’s all. Even if that were true, it would hardly give the Dutch a moral right to rule over that territory, with the majority having few powers and rights.

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  123. Sebastian says:

    By the way, the author of this article might like to know that Prof. Steve Strand of Oxford University published a study earlier this year on the narrowing ethnic gaps in the UK. You might want to contact him.

    http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2015-08-18-closing-attainment-gaps

    The study by Professor Steve Strand, commissioned for the Department for Education, draws on data for attainment and ethnicity between 1991 and 2013.

    It shows that Indian and Chinese pupils are now pulling well ahead of their white British classmates, with Bangladeshi and Black African students improving their GCSE grades significantly and starting to do better, on average, than white British pupils. This is despite the fact that Bangladeshi and black African students are often from very socio-economically disadvantaged backgrounds.

    The two lowest achieving groups are currently black Caribbean and mixed white and black Caribbean students, according to the study. Yet, again the longstanding gaps in the academic attainment of these two groups have closed substantially.

    In 2004, only 24% of black Caribbean pupils achieved five or more GCSE A*-C grades or their equivalent including English and Mathematics (5EM). This was nearly half the rate for white British students (41.6%) and a gap of 17.6 percentage points. Nearly 10 years on, in 2013, this gap had narrowed to just 7.2 percentage points (53.3% vs. 60.5%).

    The study shows that the ethnic gap has also reduced in relative terms. While in 2004 the black Caribbean-white British gap was twice as large as the gender gap, by 2013 it was actually smaller (7.2% points compared to a gender gap of 10.1 percentage points).

    ‘These results show what can be achieved with targeted funding, particularly the Ethnic Minority Achievement Grant that ran until 2012/2013, and the strong focus through policies, including Excellence in Cities, and programmes through the National Strategies.

    ‘Children disadvantaged for social and economic reasons now do better at school than in the past. In the late 1980s, the chance of getting good exam grades at age 16 for students from well-off families was seven times higher than for children from less advantaged backgrounds. Now children from well-off homes are around three times more likely.

    The report suggests that the factors explaining low educational achievement at age 16 must also include consideration of the first five years of a child’s life before their formal schooling starts. The research shows that at the age of five, the white British pupils entitled to free school meals have a lower level of development, on average, than many other ethnic groups.

    Data on ethnicity and educational achievement in England from 1988 to 2006 is drawn from The Youth Cohort Study and the Longitudinal Survey of Young People in England, a series of nationally representative samples of approximately 15,000 young people shortly after they finished compulsory education at age 16. Data from 2004 to 2013 is from the National Pupil Database and covers the whole population of over 550,000 16 years olds each year.

    Sam Freedman also noted the improvement in the GCSE scores and ruled out a number of explanations:

    Yesterday I was playing around with GCSE data and found an interesting trend. Over the past five years black pupils have almost caught up with white pupils in the main 5 A*-C measure including English and Maths.

    My first thought was that this must be a function of the “London effect” as over 60% of black pupils live in the capital. But actually black improvement has been faster in other regions. (Health warning on this chart – some regions have very low numbers of black pupils, especially the North East where just 139 took GCSEs in 2013).

    My next thought was that it might be a result of immigration. Unfortunately we don’t know how many recent immigrants are included in the figures but we can look at differences between black Caribbean and black African as a proxy, as the latter are more likely to be recent immigrants.

    It turns out that the percentage of black African pupils as a proportion of all black pupils has increased over the past 5 years from 54% to 59% and black Caribbean has decreased from 33% to 29%. This explains some of the faster rate of improvement for black pupils overall as black Africans do about 8 percentage points better than black Caribbeans.

    But the rate of improvement has actually been faster for black Caribbeans (13.9 percentage points over the past five years compared to 12.8 for black Africans). So there’s something else going on as well…

    I then noticed that black boys have improved faster than black girls over the past five years (14.4 percentage points to 12.8). This is the opposite of what’s happening with white British boys and girls (7.8 to 11.2). It seems like this gender difference is another part of the jigsaw.

    Then I dug into the gender/ethnicity data a bit more and found that white British boys not black boys were the outliers.

    Despite all the attention on the under-performance of white British boys this surprised me. I had thought the issue was with poor white British boys. But white British boys on Free School Meals make up a small proportion of these figures (and are improving at the same rate as their non-FSM peers – albeit from a much lower base).

    So to answer my initial question I’ve identified two reasons why black pupils are improving faster than white ones. First there are a larger proportion of higher performing black Africans. And secondly black boys are improving faster than white British boys (as are Pakistani/Bangladeshi boys).

    I don’t think grade inflation explains it – white boys should benefit from this as much as any other group. Also the FSM gap has been pretty static for the past few years.

    http://samfreedman1.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/why-are-black-pupils-doing-so-well.html

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  124. iffen says:
    @Numinous

    OK, but the majority is determined by where someone draws the lines.

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  125. Sebastian says:

    Oh, and perhaps Chuck/John Fuerst has some more data he’d like to share with us? This comment over at Open Psych forum caught my eye, particularly the bolded parts:

    I do not find Jensen and Rushton’s evidence compelling. I have myself replicated and extended many of their results. In discussions of those, I have noted the problems. The brain size data is dubious; for example, recently a large multi-country Latin American study n > 7000 showed no association between head circumference and racial genomic ancestry. The regression to the mean and Spearman’s hypothesis evidence are compatible with a shared environmental explanation — I have demonstrated this. The published transracial adoption data shows mixed results and are underpowered; unpublished studies, by myself and Jason Malloy, show ambiguous results. The racial gaps in the UK — and perhaps in the Netherlands — have greatly diminished. World-wide scores are often found to be measure non-invariant. Racial admixture data, again which I have written about elsewhere, could in theory be explained by a shared environmental hypothesis.

    http://openpsych.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=226&pid=3393#pid3393


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  126. Thanks for your response Chanda. As a “scientific racist” I prefer that these discussions remain on obscure science blogs rather than poorly and stupidly dispensed by the main stream media to all the boobs out there in TV land.

    Why? Because I hate racism. It is mean spirited and flat out retarded that two groups with highly over lapping bell shaped curves should be separated by the fools who can’t grasp this concept or are too mean and bitter to try. These discussions of human biodiversity can and should be discussed by rational people that have a scientific frame of mind. But let’s face face facts about people in general, they can’t understand the complex truth, they misinterpret it and make it hurtful.

    In short there are no good lies in the sphere of scientific discussion but when it comes to the public, I think these discussions end up confirming what mean stupid people want to believe rather than help. The good lie is that we are all born equal, that we all have an equal chance to get ahead. It isn’t true, but why take away peoples hope, why encourage negativity.

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  127. Ryan says:

    Some huge problems. First, you have no direct evidence for the IQs of African immigrants to the UK or any direct evidence of the IQs of their children (eg IQ test results). Second, you offer no reason why evidence (that you don’t actually have) about the IQs of African immigrants to the UK and their children would imply anything about the heritability of low IQ among descendents of African slaves in the United States.

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  128. Ed says:
    @Deduction

    My parents are from Ghana and immigrated to the USA in the 70s. They are so far from the elite in Ghana. My mother’s family was poor even by Ghanaian standards. My dad has driven a cab in the states the whole time he’s been here. So I’m not sure why folks insist African immigrants are elite.

    Why would elite people leave their country in peace time, permanently? Most elite travel back and forth.

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  129. @Dave Chamberlin

    “why take away peoples hope, why encourage negativity”

    This sounds like Voltaire’s reason for not preaching atheism to his servants (“they’ll steal my spoons”).

    I think truth matters. In the long run identifying the genetic factors of intelligence and the way they work biochemically and neurologically opens the possibility of therapies.

    My main beef is that the evidence in this field is lacking and circular and irrefutable reasoning abounds – e.g. as noted by Chanda:

    African kids in the UK are not regressing to the mean as expected for a sub-Saharan genetic IQ potential of 85. So their parents must be NxSD above that mean IQ and we choose N to fit the data. Bingo! No need for argued from first principles a priori estimates of parental IQ.

    As Mark Twain said(from memory): “Almost nothing is known about the life of Shakespeare, which is why so much is written about it”.

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  130. @rec1man

    I haven’t checked but I would be very surprised if there are many Nigerian names there for one simple reason. What are the relative populations of the same nationalities (eg Indians vs Chinese vs Nigerians) in the US? Not even close. And even more relevantly, the fraction of Nigerian population that comes from the well-known high achieving ethnic groups (Igbo/Ibo and Yoruba)? Makes all the difference.

    This is from 2000, but it gives an idea of the ratios:

    http://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/ancestry/ancestry_q_by_DAC_2000.xls

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  131. rec1man says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    The Indian winners are extremely caste dependent, most Indian castes despite being in large numbers, dont make it

    there are 9 Patels, and 6 Sikhs, in the list of 300 Indian winners, together Patels and Sikhs form 35% of Indians

    whereas there are 20 Jains on the list, despite being a micro-minority among Indians

    More to the point, how many Nigerians are in Cal-Tech, Cal-Tech being a pure merit university

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  132. @Jason Bayz

    This really all depends on how strong the selection factor is in skewing the sample. It might help to analyze the data over several decades. As credential inflation continues to rise and the everybody-should-go-to-college mentality reaches saturation levels, more and more marginal students take the SAT. So you should expect the top-income black average to gain against bottom-income white average over time. We’ve just reached the point where both the ACT and the SAT are taken by a majority of graduating high school seniors: http://www.erikthered.com/tutor/historical-sat-act-test-takers-both.pdf

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  133. RaceRealist says: • Website
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    Why look at just one generation? Why not look at trends, let’s say over 20 years. With a small portion of IQ being attributed to the environment, the ones who emigrated to Mexico will be slightly worse in IQ than the ones who emigrated to Canada.

    Waiting atleast 10 to 20 years to identify trends is what you should do. Also, the ones who became more prosperous in Mexico may have had a higher genetic potential for IQ, and as we all know, high IQ, for the most part, means you will be successful in life and attain a good amount of wealth o average.

    To go off of Pumpkin’s point living in poverty and those who lived in a high SES household, the ones who lived in poverty, on average, have a lower genetic IQ than those who live in a high SES household because those with higher IQ have higher chance for success in life and that shows with monetary attainment.

    We should look at 10 to 20 year trends and not just look at one study and draw a conclusion. For instance the black white IQ gap has been recognized for 100 years in America. Let’s wait for more data to come about in the UK on this matter, and the trends will show what they always have shown, that blacks consistently underperform I’m IQ tests I’m comparison to whites.

    The genetic hypothesis will win out in the end.

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  134. @Ed

    I think people are confusing social class with cognitive ability here.

    Poverty is not an organic state although it can be reflected because of POSSIBLE negative long term differential accumulation, but it is important to clarify that in the past all human beings lived in a state that more approached the common poverty today without this super excess calories. As they were smart **

    How do we explain the intelligent people who come from very poor families ** Again, any environmentalist extremist theory must have extremely homogeneous results in homogeneous environments or ”standardized” ones. And it does not.

    Excessive use of the word ” hereditarians ” as name-calling seems to be just another way to expose emotional weaknesses rather than convincing arguments.

    This shows partially the author to emphasize ” IQ scores ”, which seems to be ignoring all the features that are essential for the proper functioning of society. East Asian, whites as the Swedes and the Germans, on average, are far from being just 3-digit numbers.

    The example of West Virginia, one of the poorest states of the USA, in violence rates for example, shows that emphasize cognitive tests is to ask that we continue to be governed by only one type of smart, scholastic and also the opportunists who have the same cognitive forces than scholars. Lagado republic.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagado

    This text is screaming ” cognitive elitism ‘.

    Now it is lacking little bit intellectual intelligence that is essential to the advancement of societies. The ability to criticize correctly, propose improvements, etc …

    The author in emphasizing higher average intelligence of its people, seems to be ignoring the fact that his people have many similarities with the Jews, and that’s not a very good thing to think about.

    2 people with the same level of intelligence and yet one with antisocial personality and one with pro-social personality, are usually completely different. Iq is about cognition, not about intelligence and personality (the correct interaction between personality and cognition)

    As I tried to explain pedantically, in the Robert Lindsay blog, average joey and exotic subgroups or local make all the difference between human groups. The average joey Japanese prototype, representing 50% of the Japanese population, but also is diluted by up to 70% of them. On the other hand, this ethnic personality type will be found in a small minority of Nigerians for example. I do not know how to Igbos, but there seems to be the typical average joey Igbo and they will be minority among other Nigerians.

    We live most all the time with some type of average in your lives.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but the Igbos are like the Europeans before immigration en masse. Marry each other but they are not inbred. You do not have to marry out of group to be exogamous, just avoid cousins.

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  135. @rec1man

    Since you know that the Indian American population (like the Chinese American population no doubt) is ten times that of Nigerian American population, and we are told Indian immigrant IQ is around 112, can you state specifically how many Nigerians you would expect as National Merit semi finalists or Caltech students, below which my argument would be refuted? If I say there is only one Nigerian at Caltech is that a refutation? 5? Why?

    Without that falsifier, there is no point in this potentially endless line of inquiry, if our goal here is to find the truth.

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  136. Sebastian says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    we are told Indian immigrant IQ is around 112

    This is BS though. It’s drawn from a single Jason Richwine article published in Forbes, which Richwine himself said should be taken with a grain of salt:

    Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously.

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html

    A bunch of blowhards on the internet repeated the IQ number enough times that people accepted it without ever asking for the source. It’s never been corroborated by a rigorous scholarly study published in a legitimate journal and there’s no reason to accept it as fact.

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  137. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t highest income blacks already outperform lowest income whites on the SAT?

    Also blacks have closed the crime rate gap, by a HUGE margin since the crack epidemic ended.

    Chanda you should actually check the crime rate trend for African Americans. Since IQ isn’t everything.

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  138. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sebastian

    But Indians in the UK who are less selected than in USA do much better than white British on the GCSE. WAY better, they are at the top, second by a small margin to the Chinese.

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  139. Sebastian says:
    @Anonymous

    This is not proof that Indians have an average IQ of 110-112. Show me a scholarly study published in a legitimate journal which demonstrates that Indians have an IQ of 110-112. If you have no such study, then kindly shut up, because you have nothing to bring to the table. If you cannot even furnish one such study, then it speaks volumes about the “rigor” of many HBD claims made on the blogosphere.

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  140. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sebastian

    Another reason for the GCSE score differences to narrow, is that the pass rates have changed during those years and the tests have become easier.

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  141. Deduction says:
    @Truth

    Mexico hosted the World Cup back in 1970, and then again in 1986…

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  142. Deduction says:
    @Ed

    My parents are from Ghana and immigrated to the USA in the 70s. They are so far from the elite in Ghana. My mother’s family was poor even by Ghanaian standards. My dad has driven a cab in the states the whole time he’s been here. So I’m not sure why folks insist African immigrants are elite

    Since most people in Ghana don’t pass what I define as actually literate, your parents clearly do come from an elite. Nevermind that you are but one person.

    Think of those you know back through your parents from Ghana. Think of how they frequent witchdoctors, and think of how unintellectual the villagers from up north are…and how these types of people are actually the majority of the population. You are part of an elite, go hang around in that country and you’ll quickly come to recognise it.

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  143. @Sebastian

    Thanks, I’ve seen and cited some of Strand’s other work on the issue. This is helpful.

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  144. rec1man says:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/education/ci_28780350/list-california-national-merit-scholar-semifinalists-2015-2016

    California National Merit 2016

    4 African Christians

    30 Muslims, of all races, of which 3 may be African

    Total 7 Africans, max / 2200

    vs

    1140 East Asians

    110 Jews

    300 Indians ( Hindu, Sikh, Jain ), subdivided into

    9 Patels and 6 Jat Sikhs , together they form about 30% of US Indian diaspora and 80% of UK Indian diaspora

    127 Brahmins

    20 Jains

    Together Brahmins and Jains form less than 20% of US Indian diaspora, and half the Indians on the list are either Brahmin or Jain

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  145. XVO says:

    Your portrayal of heriditarians is a straw man. If you take African elites, who are elite because of their superior intelligence, as a hereditarian, you would expect their children to be more intelligent. This intentional misinterpretation of the regression to the mean concept is where your sophistry lies. You write just like any other leftist or theologian.

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  146. Sebastian says:
    @Anonymous

    I see you didn’t bother reading the post in full. I bolded this part for a reason:

    I don’t think grade inflation explains it – white boys should benefit from this as much as any other group. Also the FSM gap has been pretty static for the past few years.

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  147. Chuck says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    “Nigerians you would expect as National Merit semi finalists or Caltech students, below which my argument would be refuted?”

    Dear rec1man and Chanda,

    The National Merit Scholarship data isn’t what you should be looking at, given the number of Africans/Nigerians in the U.S. I came up with a better idea. The results suggest that the Nigerian PSAT/NMSQT mean isn’t much lower than that of the White mean. If you wish to discuss, shoot me an email at j122177(at)hotmail.com

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  148. Ron says:

    This is relevant – “The Asian American Achievement Paradox” by JENNIFER LEE
    and MIN ZHOU.
    Asian Americans are often stereotyped as the “model minority.” Their sizeable presence at elite universities and high household incomes have helped construct the narrative of Asian American “exceptionalism.” While many scholars and activists characterize this as a myth, pundits claim that Asian Americans’ educational attainment is the result of unique cultural values. In The Asian American Achievement Paradox, sociologists Jennifer Lee and Min Zhou offer a compelling account of the academic achievement of the children of Asian immigrants. Drawing on in-depth interviews with the adult children of Chinese immigrants and Vietnamese refugees and survey data, Lee and Zhou bridge sociology and social psychology to explain how immigration laws, institutions, and culture interact to foster high achievement among certain Asian American groups.

    For the Chinese and Vietnamese in Los Angeles, Lee and Zhou find that the educational attainment of the second generation is strikingly similar, despite the vastly different socioeconomic profiles of their immigrant parents.

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  149. Chuck says:
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    rec1man,

    Could you provide more info? Perhaps email if you have an excel file.

    What were the African names, specifically? As it is, your numbers suggest that Jews, African migrants, East Asians, and Asian Indians in California have PSATQs of 100, 100, 104, and 108.

    California’s NMS requirement is a PSAT score ~ 2.068 SD above the Cali mean = 1.93 percentile. Thus, the following mean differences would lead to the following overrepresentations at that end of the distribution:

    (2.068)+.25SD equals =1.0219 percentile=1.89x overrep
    (2.068)+.5SD equals =0.5114 percentile=3.78x overrep
    (2.068)+.75SD equals =0.2414 percentile=8.57x overrep

    But the Cali IQ is ~96 (owing to hispanics) 0r z = – 0.27 relative to the US mean. So we have:

    NMS: Jews 2200/100 = 1 in 20
    Population : Jews 38.8m/1.219m = 1 in 32
    =1.6x overrep

    So about +0.25 above the Cali average.

    NMS: “African” 2200/7 = 1 in 314
    Population : “Black African” 38.8m/0.065m (my computations) = 1 in 597
    =1.9x overrep

    So about +0.25 above the Cali average.

    NMS: “East Asian” 2200/1140 = 1 in 1.9
    Population : “East Asian” 38.8m/4.9 (all east Asian groups) = 1 in 7.9
    =4.1x overrep

    So about +0.50 above the Cali average.

    NMS: Indian 2200/300 = 1 in 7.3
    Population : Indian 38.8m/0.59m (just Asian Indians) = 1 in 65.8
    =7.9x overrep

    So about +0.75 above the Cali average.

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  150. […] has since applied the logic to immigrant-native differences in the U.K. Here, I will restrict my critique to the author’s argument presented “Killing Jensen […]

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  151. Amazing that we can have an article that has the phrase “Closing the Black-White IQ Gap” in the title, and neither the article, nor the long thread below it (until now) point out that this gap could be closed with an aggressive eugenics policy, perhaps along the lines suggested by William Shockley many years ago:

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  152. Hitler says:
    @Hobbesian Meliorist

    You can close it with a very mild eugenics policy actually. Blacks just need to make some more nerds than usual for a few generations. Its not a big deal.

    The two reasons why eugenics is not brought up is(in no order):

    1: Racists do not want blacks to have the same average. Desperately.

    2: The genetic difference has not been proven. Not even 1% of it.

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  153. dcite says:
    @Sebastian

    Chile is not really that “mestizo.” The European component is much higher. Also, the indigenous people of the area were a different type from the Amerindians in other parts of South America. Much lighter for one thing, though I don’t know if that makes them different in other ways. I’ll play naïve.

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  154. dcite says:
    @Molag Bal

    Not really. They lost to a bunch of white nations beating them to death with sanctions and PC. Apartheit was crazy anyway. It did not even start as a legal thing until after WWII. I knew of colored woman (her term) who said her family was mixed, lived well, was educated, and mingled with other races before WWII. Then things changed because of some very unintuitive decisions to put non-mingling (the general preference anyway) into law.

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  155. Dipwill says:

    I don’t have time to read all of the article or the comments now, but this stood out to me with it’s earnestness while overlooking something equally stupid:

    “Neither is the supposed pervasive white racism argument too convincing. It’s just hard for me to see how racism can make black children of over 200,000 dollar income parents perform below 20,000 dollar whites (what’s that about?). The fact that these high income blacks live in good neighborhoods with high quality schools should have indicated to policy makers that the solution for black children underachievement is not more spending on education or taking poor blacks to schools in better neighborhoods (since the ones already living in good neighborhoods still perform badly); it is not even about improving their incomes, clearly. But that would be in a world where policy is driven by cold logic and data rather than hot sentiments and ideology (from the left or the right).”

    ” It does indeed appear as if black children are regressing toward a mysterious lower mean intelligence when a child of black parents making 200,000 dollars a year scores lower than a white child from a less than 20,000 dollars a year home – probably living in much worse neighborhoods and going to much worse schools. Almost all the excuses I have seen for this strange pattern do not hold up under scrutiny.”

    And I addressed much of this here (http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/#comment-996494), but it bares repeating what this is basically saying:

    “Since regression occurs over 1 generation, this means high SES blacks are overwhelmingly born to blacks with low IQ’s. Within their lifetimes, they manage to achieve high SES, and their children are as dumb as their parents. Since these low IQ children can’t sustain what their parents achieved, they regress back. Therefore, the black upper class is overwhelmingly cyclical.

    It’s just hard for me to see how that is possible, and how something that strange could hold up to scrutiny, that this “mysterious” phenomenon is an endless, mysterious cycle of an upper class consisting of smart kids born to stupid parents who get rich by their 20′s/30′s, then their kids are born dumb and it starts all over. But cold logic and data!

    As Jason Bayz noted, those figures don’t seem to be representative, and they’re misleading- converted to IQ (though the SAT being an IQ score at this point is questionable), those lower class white children having IQ’s in the high 90′s, and the black children at the highest SES 97. I might have been inaccurate to say Jensen was implying those children have IQ’s in the high 80′s, and that real score is close to Jensen’s data on black children in Oakland (though it’s important to differentiate between plain IQ tests and the SAT, given the selection in the SAT, which Jensen seemingly didn’t do). Though at the same time, an average of 107 seems too low for an average of families with an income of 200k+, and significant regression among whites occurs at much higher levels. It’s really hard to say what it all means. I don’t know the answer, and I don’t think it’s really “discrimination”, but the regression thing is incredibly far fetched.

    And I think you’d do well to stop defending Jensen so readily. That quote of his is still in contradiction of direct IQ data, and I don’t think he was most partial researcher. He embraced remarkably shoddy racialist literature (John R. Baker’s “Race”, just about everything Lynn and Rushton churned out) and worked closely with Rushton in the end- this despite going on record claiming he couldn’t stand people who let politics interfere with their research. It’s more than obvious to anyone Rushton was basically a racial nationalist, and while Jensen wasn’t one, could he really believe Rushton didn’t let those interfere?

    I don’t think Jensen was truly some secret racist either, but he wasn’t entirely right in the head, going in line with how spergy/outright autistic so many in the HBD scene are. On the other hand, he seemingly had no problem with Rushton’s claim of the real african-american IQ being 78, that there was a mysterious underclass of super retards that had eluded researchers for decades. Oh, and to top it off, Rushton in the end endorsed this: http://www.arthurkemp.com/2011/12/magnificent-very-convincing-professor-j.html

    Yes, Arthur Kemp, the infamous South African white/nordic supremacist and author of the abortive, science fiction novel “March of the Titans” (which he apparently used to read to his son at night, who despises him), that argues virtually all ancient civilizations were founded by nordic gods until they were usurped by sh*tskinned subhumans, ancient Egypt being one of them, which he called a “nordic desert empire.” And Rushton endorsed this. Jensen worked with this man on some of his most prominent and final papers. Yeah, I’m just not on board to celebrate Jensen, who worked with someone like this, who has a long history of nutty, cartoonish theories of human evolution and history, who’s craziest ideas (african-american IQ of 78, endorsing Kemp’s nordicism, dark skin as a clear selection for violence etc.) strangely all occured just a few years before his death from cancer.

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  156. @dcite

    Not totally agree, Chileans would be as Costa Ricans. 30-40% of phenotypically white and the rest consists of explicitly looking ”mestizos”, but

    - Which are not trirraciais (Amerindian, white and black)
    - Look more caucasic
    - And has a higher proportion of lighter-skinned mestizos, among other features coming from the white people who migrated and mingled there.

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  157. Dipwill says:
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    If I could elaborate a bit further, I think it is fair to say Rushton, nearing the end of his life, did make it clear he was a white supremacist, or atleast starting to become one. For most of his career, he is what could best be called an asiaphile, hyping up and exaggerating the intelligence, ethics and civilizational accomplishments of east asians (I think many people found his claims of asians being sexually undeveloped and borderline asexual insulting, however). He once even said he was a member of the “lower races.” I think he did in large part believe these things, even though I’ve found the asiaphilia on the part of many in white nationalist/HBD circles is a way of staving off accusations of white supremacism. Though it’s not like you logically aren’t a racial supremacist of some kind if you believe africa is a continent of retards and this difference is ingrained by tens of thousands of years of human evolution, their greatest accomplishments, according to him, being the Zulu Empire and some tribes who made nice wood and iron art.

    Just 5 months before he is death, he published an article basically arguing skin color is a prime sign of propensity towards violence (http://www.vdare.com/articles/j-philippe-rushton-says-color-may-be-more-than-skin-deep), and that endorsement of Kemp’s work is likely within the past couple of years. If Rushton was convinced that Ancient Egypt was once inhabited by Scandinavians and that it fell due to mixing with arabs and blacks, there’s no real reason he shouldn’t believe many of the other insane ideas about nordic gods founding civilizations/any kind of advanced culture the world over that Kemp trotted out (though I’ve also found plenty of white nationalists now think AE was white, with the King Tut DNA thing, and this site not too long ago published nordicist tripe about ancient Greece and Rome), including ancient China. It’s very telling about his mindset he opened up about these beliefs and more so shortly before his death bed, and given the entire progression of his career and ideas. It doesn’t leave an exactly favorable impression of Jensen’s mindset either, if you want to be honest.

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  158. @Dipwill

    To be fair, almost of scientists with left political background are ideologue as Rushton….

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  159. “… there is now even a discussion that whether some of the African ethnicities have sometimes beaten the infamous “testocratic” Chinese students…”
    ( Chanda Chisala)

    ______________________

    If that were true, Panda would walk backward upside down for 50
    miles without taking a piss! ROFL

    Present hard evidence, Chisala, or stop daydreaming you sir! LoL

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  160. @Erik Sieven

    To sound a bit smart and knowledgeable, please stop mixing India, China and Nigeria together, Erik. Panda would have thought that you had an IQ as high as the global average.lol

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  161. Sebastian says:
    @dcite

    What are your sources? I provided recent DNA studies indicating that Chile is, indeed, a Mestizo country. What evidence do you have for your claims? Simply saying “no, that’s not true” in the face of empirical data showing otherwise is not a cogent argument. But I thank you for providing yet another example of how irrational and unscientific “race realists” become when cracks start appearing in their belief system.

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  162. @Dipwill

    “and this site not too long ago published nordicist tripe about ancient Greece and Rome),”

    Ancient Greece/Rome were not black (Negroid) but Caucasian (white). For confirmation of your personal bias, do go back and re-read the book Black Athena where I’m sure you’ll receive all the confirmation of which you so desperately seek.

    See, it is simply a false paradigm in which to state that Nordic is the only “pure” white and that non-Nordic “tribes” cannot also be white by dint of DNA.

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  163. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jimmyriddle

    Whites in the UK are still sabotaging their children’s education.

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  164. @pyrrhus

    Actually Nigeria has some of the highest quality sculptures in the world, and metal casting was at a higher level than western Europe during the times of Ife

    “Head of an Ife King from Nigeria – Masterpieces of the British Museum”

    “Who taught the smiths of Igbo Ukwu?”

    http://www.mozambiquehistory.net/arts/artes_plasticas/19830414_smiths_of_igbo_ukwo.pdf

    Concerning Uganda “THE DEVELOPMENT OF `SCIENTIFIC’ MEDICINE IN THE AFRICAN KINGDOM OF BUNYORO-KITARA”*

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1034446/

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  165. […] that I am retired, I find that this was impossible anyway.  An article published this year by Chanda Chisala, a Zambian immigrant to the United States who has held feloowships at Stanford […]

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  166. Emmanuel says: • Website

    Well, I wonder why the author of this post is using 0.5 for hereditary? that should be a lower band.

    In the world today an average adult has IQ numbers indicating hereditary of near 0.8.

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  167. @Sean Last

    It would also be interesting to have visual feedback, rather than filtered and processed results. There is no problem – now – in uploading sample scans of black writing, so we could marvel at the wonderfully gifted achievements of blacks… This is the first time in human history that exam and other texts could be uploaded. But all research now is controlled by Jews. And they will of course never allow this, just as statistics in France on race are not collected.

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  168. Rose Henson says: • Website

    “It would also be interesting to have visual feedback, rather than filtered and processed results. There is no problem – now – in uploading sample scans of black writing, so we could marvel at the wonderfully gifted achievements of blacks… This is the first time in human history that exam and other texts could be uploaded. But all research now is controlled by Jews. And they will of course never allow this, just as statistics in France on race are not collected”

    https://JoelsBlog.com.ng

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  169. Kennedy says: • Website

    Blacks and whites are equally important as they are. EVERYONE should be equal and exercie tolerance. Let’s make the world a good place for our children.

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  170. JoelsBlog says: • Website

    Blacks and whites are equally important as they are. Visit JoelsBlog for your Latest News in Nigeria

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