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The podcast, which you can view at the bottom of this article, is interesting for several reasons. Chris Hedges and Matt Taibbi are both what would, until very recently, be considered mainstream journalists. Now they see themselves on the outside of a monolithic system where information has been completely politicized to the point of it being, in Taibbi’s words, “a one-party media environment.” I rather doubt that either of them are Trump supporters, but they realize that if Trump loses, things will get even worse. Self-censorship, which is undoubtedly already high, will increase as lines that cannot be crossed without ending one’s career touch on ever more subjects. They compare the situation to the Soviet Union where everyone knew that the official media could not be trusted, but underground Samizdat documents were treasured. I can’t help thinking we are already there in the sense that people like me are forced to turn to podcasts and websites that are well outside the mainstream, in a situation of constant deplatforming by financial companies and media companies like YouTube.

Taibbi notes that there was a sea change after the 2016 election where basically organizations like the NYTimes had a “come to Jesus” moment” when they asked themselves how could we let this happen and decided to become overtly political, throwing a sop to conservatives by hiring someone like neocon Bret Stephens to appease conservatives while at the same time promoting the Trump-Russia collusion hoax and ginning up the White guilt narrative with the 1619 Project, while completely suppressing the Hunter Biden-Joe Biden scandal, the evidence for which, in my opinion, is overwhelming. At the same time they ignored the real reasons why Trump won—Taibbi mentions neoliberal economics (implying replacement-level immigration and outsourcing American jobs) and economically struggling and poor Americans. But left unmentioned is the feeling of unease by a broad swathe of White Americans that their country is being taken away from them and that it’s increasingly unrecognizable from the country they grew up in. Unmentioned also is that a great many Whites are feeling racially dispossessed by the replacement-level immigration that has occurred, and they are increasingly aware that they are hated by our liberal-left hostile elite.

As they note, the problem is that when you suppress what is really going on and the reasons for it, you are left with increasingly unconvincing narratives—as happened in the USSR. And in the US, where there is still a large segment of the White population that has not trusted the liberal media for decades, mainly because of mainstream conservative media figures like Rush Limbaugh, what is happening before our eyes is radical polarization. The possibility of civil war is discussed—a possibility mentioned several times on this site. Civil war seems reasonably likely if Trump wins. One can imagine antifa-BLM violence far beyond anything seen thus far breaking out in all major urban areas, and it would inevitably require a major military force to bring it under control. And if he loses, there will deep anger among Trump supporters. Unlike the left, the right has not shown much of an appetite for violence lately, but that could change. We have already seen armed White men standing up against antifa-BLM protesters who were bussed in to their communities. For many such White men, free speech may not be their #1 priority, but having guns is very important and would loom large in the context of a far left government influenced by the likes of Kamala Harris (who has already said she would issue an executive order on gun ownership if Congress fails to act). It seems likely that Biden would be similarly prone to such actions.

Undiscussed by Hedges and Taibbi is the very prominent role of Jews in all this. Throughout the 2016 campaign and beyond there have been intense denunciation s in the Jewish media and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) comparing Trump to Hitler, promoting impeachment, etc. The apocalyptic response to Trump’s election went far beyond the New York Times. And, while acknowledging that a minority of Jews supported Trump and still do, Jewish power in terms of media ownership and production is also a critical aspect. Journalism is like the academic world in that it is a top-down system where the elite media play an outsized role. In academia, Harvard professors train graduate students who get positions at UC-Berkeley, who then get graduate students who staff lower-level state colleges, who then train K-12 teachers. In the media, the New York Times, Jewish-owned for over a century, is the Harvard of the media food chain, and other outlets, from WaPo, the LATimes and NPR to CNN and MSNBC—all with large Jewish ownership and/or staffing, take the Times’ lead. In effect this media behemoth ends up speaking with one voice. And in the internet age, this one voice has been amplified considerably by the dominant social media companies—again with large Jewish ownership and staffing, and all of which have slanted searches or censored posts that they view as contrary to their liberal-left political agenda. The suppression of the New York Post story by Twitter is Exhibit A. And again, we on the dissident right have been dealing with this for years. It’s obvious that another Trump victory would be seen in apocalyptic terms by the liberal-left media.

Also unmentioned is the role of the ADL in pressuring media companies to censor speech they don’t like. This has been going on for decades but quite obviously is reaching fruition now. I wrote this in 2002 (Preface to the paperback edition of Culture of Critique, lvii:

In CofC (Ch. 8) I wrote, ‘one may expect that as ethnic conflict continues to escalate in the United States, increasingly desperate attempts will be made to prop up the ideology of multiculturalism … with the erection of police state controls on nonconforming thought and behavior.’ As noted above, there has been a shift from ‘the culture of critique’ to what one might term ‘the culture of the Holocaust’ as Jews have moved from outsiders to the consummate insiders in American life. Coinciding with their status as an established elite, Jewish organizations are now in the forefront of movements to censor thought crimes.40

The Internet is a major gap in control of the major media, but Jewish organizations have taken the lead in attempting to censor the Internet. The Simon Wiesenthal Center (SWC) distributes a compact disc titled ‘Digital Hate 2001‘ that lists over 3000 ‘hate sites on the Internet.’ Both the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the ADL have attempted to pressure Internet service providers (ISP’s) like AOL and popular websites like Yahoo into restricting subscriber access to disapproved websites. Recently Yahoo removed 39 Internet clubs originally identified as ‘hate sites’ by the SWC.41 Internet auction sites have been subjected to protests for selling Nazi memorabilia.42 Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com have come under fire for selling Hitler’s Mein Kampf. The ADL also published a report, Poisoning the Web: Hatred Online, and has urged the U.S. Congress to initiate a ‘comprehensive study of the magnitude and impact of hate on the Internet.’43

ORDER IT NOW

Online services in the U.S. are also under pressure from foreign governments, including France, Germany, Austria, and Canada, where there are no constitutional guarantees of free speech. For example, a judge in France ruled that Yahoo was violating French law by delivering Nazi memorabilia to people in France via the company’s online auctions, even though the service is based in the United States. Yahoo was acting illegally, the judge said, even though the company has created a separate French site that, unlike the broader Yahoo service, follows French law. The company was ordered to use filtering technology to block politically sensitive material from appearing on computers in France or face fines equivalent to $13,000 a day. In Germany, a court found that German law applies even to foreigners who post content on the Web in other countries — so long as that content can be accessed by people inside Germany. In this case, the court ruled that an Australian citizen who posted Holocaust revisionist material on his Australian website could be jailed in Germany. Theoretically it would be possible for Germany to demand that this person be extradited from Australia so that he could stand trial for his crime.

Jewish organizations have been strong advocates of laws in European countries that criminalize the distribution of anti-Jewish material. For example, the ADL pressured the German government to arrest a U.S. citizen who distributed anti-Jewish materials. Gary Lauck was arrested in Denmark and extradited to Germany on the warrant of a Hamburg prosecutor. He was sentenced to four years in jail, served his sentence, and was deported.

This sort of government-imposed censorship is effective in countries like France and Germany, but is not likely to succeed in the United States with its strong tradition of constitutionally protected free speech. As a result, the major focus of the Jewish effort to censor the Internet in the United States has been to pressure private companies like AOL and Yahoo to use software that blocks access to sites that are disapproved by Jewish organizations. The ADL developed voluntary filter software (ADL HateFilter) that allows users to screen out certain websites. However, while AOL — the largest ISP by far — has proved to be compliant in setting standards in line with ADL guidelines, the ADL notes that other ISP’s, such as Earthlink, have not cooperated with the ADL, and independent web hosting sites have sprung up to serve websites rejected by AOL.

The ADL and the SWC have an uphill road because the Internet has long been touted as a haven for free speech by the high-tech community. One senses a certain frustration in the conclusion of a recent ADL report on the Internet:

Combating online extremism presents enormous technological and legal difficulties …. Even if it were electronically feasible to keep sites off the Internet, the international nature of the medium makes legal regulation virtually impossible. And in the United States, the First Amendment guarantees the right of freedom of speech regardless of what form that speech takes. As a result, governments, corporations and people of goodwill continue to look for alternative ways to address the problem.

Clearly Jewish organizations are making every effort to censor anti-Jewish writing on the Internet. They are far from reaching their goal of removing anti-Jewish material from the Internet, but in the long run the very high political stakes involved ensure that great effort will be expended. I suspect that in the U.S., if pressuring existing ISP’s by organizations like the ADL and the SWC fails, these companies may become targets of buyouts by Jewish-owned media companies who will then quietly remove access to anti-Jewish websites. AOL has just recently merged with Time Warner, a Jewish-controlled media company, and it had already merged with Compuserve, a large, nationwide ISP. As indicated above, AOL-Time Warner has complied with pressures exerted by Jewish activist organizations to restrict expressions of political opinion on the Internet.

I suppose that the only option for prohibited websites will be to develop their own Internet service providers. These providers — perhaps subsidized or relatively expensive — would then fill the niche of serving people who are already committed to ethnic activism among non-Jewish Europeans and other forms of politically incorrect expression. The situation would be similar to the current situation in the broadcast and print media. All of the mainstream media are effectively censored, but small publications that essentially preach to the converted can exist if not flourish.

But such publications reach a miniscule percentage of the population. They are basically ignored by the mainstream media, and they mainly preach to the choir. The same will likely happen to the Internet: The sites will still be there [Update: or maybe not if the left gets rid of the First Amendment], but they will be out of sight and out of mind for the vast majority of Internet users. The effective censorship of the Internet by large corporations does not violate the First Amendment because the government is not involved and any policy can be justified as a business decision not to offend existing or potential customers.

This was updated and expanded in 2009, and I note there that free speech was never a value of traditional Jewish communities. This then ties in with the discussion of Hedges and Taibbi on the parallels between the current situation in the U.S (and the rest of the West) with communism which definitely does not support free speech. Until communism in the USSR conflicted with Jewish interests (i.e., after World War II and especially in the 1970s due to Soviet support for Arab countries as well as discrimination against Jews in employment), Jews were quite comfortable with communism and indeed, were the backbone of communism in the United States through the 1960s. For example, Jews were the primary targets of Joe McCarthy simply because so many communists were Jews. (McCarthy did all he could to deflect charges of anti-Semitism by, e.g., hiring Roy Cohn.) The result was that Jewish organizations reluctantly and with substantial pushback ridded the mainstream Jewish community of communist-affiliated organizations.

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(Republished from The Occidental Observer by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Prof MacDonald,

    The essay appeared (at least to me) to end abruptly. Was that the plan or were some materials lost in the editorial process? Anyway, another essay up to your usual high standards!

  2. Another prescient piece from Dr MacDonald. Excellent.
    But the question I’ve always wanted to ask concerns this.

    Undiscussed by Hedges and Taibbi is the very prominent role of Jews in all this. Throughout the 2016 campaign and beyond there have been intense denunciation s in the Jewish media and the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) comparing Trump to Hitler, promoting impeachment, etc.

    Trump’s paternal grandfather and grandmother were German immigrants. Considering the number of”Trump is literally Hitler ” attacks by the MSM, why have there been no attempts ( correct me if I’m wrong ) to start digging into the German half of his ancestry? So far, no mention of relatives, no matter how remote, who were gauleiters, SS members, prison camp guards etc. Surely, if you are involved in a reductio ad Hitlerum operation, this would be your logical next step.
    Does Trump have a completely “clean bill of health” ? Or is there some other reason ?

  3. Big Daddy says:

    If Trump wins hit ’em where it hurts. Obviously if Trump is real he cancels ALL government contracts with social media and Big TV that he can and promotes Alt media. Let’s see if he is real.

    This is in concert with arrest and trial for treason of the Bidens, Fauci, Brennan, various FBI and CIA bums, and others.

  4. The tribe yearns for the “good old days” of their Messiahs – Lenin and Stalin – who they helped murder FIFTY MILLION across Russia and Eastern Europe. But those do not count, since they were mostly only Goyim!!!!!!!

    What else would anyone expect from that filthy lying sewage?????????????????????

    • Agree: Ann T. Zemitik
    • Replies: @Fr. John
  5. @Verymuchalive

    Trump, pronounced like “Troombp” is apparently a proud old Jewish family, my German connections tell me. I ain’t no gaeneologist, don’t really care, but I felt your very succinct point deserves at least a guess.

    • Replies: @Tom67
    , @loren
  6. SteveK9 says:

    Matt and Chris are both on the left side of the political spectrum. They are not lunatics of course. It would be more interesting to hear either one of them talk to someone on the right side of the spectrum, who is also not a lunatic, instead of talking to each other. I notice not once did they mention that this monolith of the tech media, is on the left … that was ‘left’ unsaid. And, I think it is because of the moderate level of bias they have. Have Matt be interviewed by Mike Cernovich or someone like that and I think it would be a lot more interesting, for both sides.

    • Replies: @Abdul Alhazred
    , @loren
    , @J.Ross
  7. @Big Daddy

    I believe the test should be to bankrupt the major media networks via trials for treasonous behavior. Every current news network needs to be gotten rid of. Their stock should go to $0 and hurt the people that have been profiting from their one sided reporting.

    The social media organizations like Facebook and Twitter are gov’t intel operations IMO. They should be destroyed along with the intel agencies that are just fronts for their version of organized crime (drug running, assassinations, weapons trafficking, blackmail, human trafficking, etc).

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  8. No says:
    @Verymuchalive

    The Hitler canard is only useful if it remains shrouded in disinformation and fake history. Bringing attention to the historical particulars might lead to an understanding of the Weimar.

    • Replies: @Wyatt
    , @Rufus Clyde
    , @annamaria
  9. Wyatt says:
    @No

    Considering how the antifascists are killing people and destroying livelihoods at a record pace in the name of fighting fascism, it behooves one to ask more about the actual fascists and what they did or did not do.

    I imagine there will be many long-noses in both the present and the past.

    • Agree: Ann T. Zemitik
    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Ann T. Zemitik
  10. Another excellent essay by Professor MacDonald. It strikes me as ironic that Hedges and Taibbi now find themselves in this predicament. My sympathy is limited, not only because both of them (as Prof. Macdonald notes) are unwilling to discuss the role of Jewish power in the accelerating censorship, but also because both are long-time 9/11 truth deniers and both are obviously intelligent enough to know better. Taibbi in particular has for years gone out of his way to demean, insult, and marginalize 9/11 truth advocates, including Dr. David Ray Griffin. I have always suspected that Hedges and Taibbi publicly accepted the official story of 9/11 only in order to retain some mainstream credibility and remain “players” in the public area. If so, it was entirely in vain, as they themselves have now been exiled.

  11. Tom Verso says:

    DEEP MEDIA

    the real power of media to inculcate the masses with an ideology and in turn control the behavior of the masses.

    The phase and concept “Deep State” has become rather commonplace in political discussion of late; i.e. a hidden government within the legitimately elected government which holds and executes the real power of government.

    What MacDonald alludes to is what might be called “Deep Media”.

    This is to say: a hidden media power within the establishment media organization, that holds and executes the real power of media to inculcate the masses with an ideology and in turn controls the behavior of the masses.

    This DEEP MEDIA is never discussed by analysts of, and commenters about, THE MEDIA.

    For example, recently I noted, in the comment section of a media discussion between Steve Sailor and James Kirkpatrick, that they commit the anthropomorphic fallacy (i.e. “attribute human emotions and characteristics to inanimate objects “).

    Specifically, they discuss the inanimate object MEDIA in the THIRD PERSON, as in “THE MEDIA does this and THE MEDIA does that”. As though THE MEDIA is an animated independent thinking and acting object.

    Similar, Chris Hedges and Matt Taibbi follow suit.

    Like Sailor and Kirkpatrick, they talk about THE MEDIA as though it is living thinking independently acting entity. At best the only human beings that they mention are ‘clock-punching’ reporters or editors doing the job for which that they are hired and paid.

    Completely absent from the Taibbi et al “analysis” is any discussion of the mega billionaire owners of THE MEDIA and how they dictate what will be printed and broadcasted.

    Taibbi et al never mention the fact:
    All that THE MEDIA prints and broadcasts is what servers the IDEOLOGICAL interest of the mega billionaire owners of THE MEDIA.

    Emphasis on IDEOLOGICAL!

    The richest man in the world, Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post with his walk around pocket money. Its annual gross income is to small to show up as a separate entity on his income statements; filed under Miscellaneous.

    In short, Bezos et al do not buy THE MEDIA for profits. They buy THE MEDIA for ideological domination.

    Accordingly, the very small clique of billionaire owners of the media are
    the DEEP MEDIA that ultimate determines what the ‘great unwashed’, as it were, masses read, hear and see.

    Thereby controlling the behavior of the masses having been indoctrinated into the billionaire ideological belief system.

    Ideology determines behavior.
    Media determines ideology
    He who controls the media controls the ideology
    He who controls the ideology controls the society.

    Thus the most important sociological question one can ask:
    Who, what person(s), controls THE MEDIA?

    Kevin MacDonald cogently points out:

    “…media outlets, from WaPo, the LATimes and NPR to CNN and MSNBC—all with large Jewish ownership and/or staffing,”

    As a result the media, ergo ideological domination, is largely controlled by Jews.
    The thought of criticizing Jews is so profoundly negative in our society that Taibbi et al would, never think of, let alone put into words, any criticism of Jews.

    Accordingly, they ramble on anthropomorphically about THE MEDIA. With nary a thought or word about the DEEP MEDIA owners of THE MEDIA.

    [Note: Taibbi cohosts a podcast with a lady who I heard refer to her holocaust heritage. The same lady has her own independent podcast. How can he possible make any negative reference to Jewish domination of THE MEDIA.]

    • Agree: Thim
    • Thanks: Polemos
  12. conatus says:

    Jewish ‘Political Influence’ might also include the large percent of funds they contribute to our political class, who, as a result are very attentive to Jewish political concerns such as Israel or say, defeating an anti immigration Representative for reelection. Two percent of the population but 60% of the funding seems like quite a lot of influence.
    Steve Sailer has made the point that Jews buy politicians while wealthy billionaire Goyim buy football and basketball stadiums.
    There is a reason that 2% of the country wields such over large influence.

    Wikipedia…. Israel lobby(from a few years ago)
    “In 2006, 60% of the Democratic Party’s fundraising and 25% of that for the Republican Party’s fundraising came from Jewish-funded Political Action Committees. Democratic presidential candidates depend on Jewish sources for 60% of money from private sources.[49]”Also Mearsheimer and Walt, Israel Lobby, p.163
    “Despite their small numbers in the population(less than 3 per cent), American Jews make large campaign donations to candidates from both parties”
    footnote 55 ”
    Indeed the Washington Post once estimated that Democratic presidential candidates”depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources” footnote 56

  13. Maria says:

    Very interesting discussion.

    Matt, you have another angle to pursue. I cannot believe how young you look. You look eternally 30 years old.

    Maybe write a book on how you manage to look 30 instead of 50 years old

    At least you would be super busy and make money.

    Your e-book would go viral. You have an unlimited market.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
  14. Richard B says:
    @Tom Verso

    For example, recently I noted, in the comment section of a media discussion between Steve Sailor and James Kirkpatrick, that they commit the anthropomorphic fallacy (i.e. “attribute human emotions and characteristics to inanimate objects “).

    I hope to find the time to listen to that. Sounds good. But, could it be that what you’re referring to is more a question of the fallacy of misplaced correctness? When people talk about an abstraction as if it’s an actual entity, or person?

    Because, unfortunately, it’s definitely what you do when you say

    Ideology determines behavior.

    All determinations are done by human beings. “Ideology” is a just a word. And words don’t do anything. They can’t. They’re just words. They don’t refer, they don’t determine. They just are. The refering, or the determining is done by us. And if we want to get anything done, sooner or later determinations in regard to words will have to happen since verbal behavior is, for us, species-specific.

    And even then, when we make a determination, we can decide whether or not the word or words will control our behavior.

    So it might be more precise to say that
    Behavior (verbal) controls Behavior (non-verbal). and that as a consequence,
    Behavior (non-verbal) modies Behavior (verbal).

    The advantage of looking at it this way is that beahvior, verbal or non-verbal, is actually observable. The other advantage is that by doing this we’re in a much better position to question sharply the assumptions made by the various branches of the hostile elite and their proxies.

    For example, What is there in the world that the word ———– directs us to locate?

    In the blank we can put the words that, together, make up the belief-system of Identity Politics. Words like antisemitism, racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, islamophobia, xenophobia, White Privilege, White Supremacy, etc.

    In short, we can ask them, What are you talking about? But, of course, we can’t. And why can’t we? Because if we did we would expose their intellectual corruption and reduce their entire explanatory system to rubble.

    And that’s no small thing. Since explanations are used to control behavior. So, without their explanations they’d be naked, two-forked animals lost in a chaos of their own making. That’s why the only meas of survival is force, verbal or non-verbal.

    We simply have to determine whether or not we are going to continue to allow their explanations to control our behavior. In the end, that’s what it all boils down to. Because that’s all there is.

  15. No mention of Jewish monopoly of media and platforms.

    • Agree: Ann T. Zemitik
  16. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:

    Chris Hedges is a leftist moron at heart and always misses the big points in every beef he has with the U.S.

    • Agree: utu, 36 ulster, loren
  17. @David Bauer

    I’m in total agreement with you on this one. Left-leaning commentators are now finding out what’s been happening to conservative and right-wing commentators for decades. Jared Taylor and his AR website do not mention Jewish power: they’re still exiled from main street.
    Pretending not to “notice” this and other issues will not save you from cancellation.

    • Agree: mark green, MrVoid
  18. Tom Verso says:
    @Richard B

    Thanks for a thoughtful response.

    I disagree with what you say.
    But, it’s the type of healthy mental disagreements that use to go on in my philosophy courses.

    The essence of my disagreement is just what you say:

    “We simply have to determine whether or not we are going to continue to allow their explanations to control our behavior. “

    Explanations are IDEAS; ergo ideas (ideology) control our behavior.

    My philosophical position:
    Ideas (ideology) govern social/political behavior: religions ideas, economic ideas, ethnic ideas, etc.

    But, I’m sure Socrates would have something to say about that.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Polemos
  19. No says:

    Chris Hedges is an open socialist and open zionest. Just check his other YT videos if you doubt. I can’t watch even listen to the sound of his voice after having heard some of the things he has said in the past. Very off-putting.

    • Replies: @loren
  20. Richard B says:
    @Tom Verso

    Thanks for a thoughtful response.

    Thank you Tom for an equally thoughtful response. Not only do I agree that this is a healthy disagreement, but that what we’re talking about is extremely important. Exactly how words work, or how we make them work, will always be worth talking about.

    Explanations are IDEAS; ergo ideas (ideology) control our behavior.

    It’s true that an idea can be explained. However, that doesn’t make them the same. I’m not saying they’re mutually exclusive categories. They’re not. They’re independent categories that can be related. But, to explain exactly why would require a lot more detail than might be appropriate here. So, let’s just say for now that the two words serve different semantic functions.

    Also, to say “ideas (ideology) control our behavior” is to repeat the same fallacy of misplaced correctnes as the previous comment. To hypostatize is to place the word in the realm of the fictitious. But, to regard it as a direction-giving word puts the focus where it belongs, ie; our response to the word.

    Ideas (ideology) govern social/political behavior: religions ideas, economic ideas, ethnic ideas, etc.

    I agree that they are used to govern behavior. But it’s humans who use those words to do the governing. Not the words.

    Thanks again for your response.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  21. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:

    It is important to know what is being preached in mosques and other places of worship over here, by whom they are financed, what foreign influences are promoting such terrible deeds and how social media serve as a vehicle for this,” Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt, president of the Conference of European Rabbis, wrote Tuesday in a statement, which also spoke of shock and sadness at “this cowardly act of terror.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/european-rabbis-urge-much-more-government-control-of-mosques/

    Times of Israel.

    UAE Bahrain have accepted the anti semitism as an Arab problem also. Soon they would demand policing of the mosques who have then have to get it certified to be Kosher .

  22. @Verymuchalive

    VeryMuch,

    Could it be that Trump is protected?

    “Looks Like Donald Trump is Jewish” http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf

  23. @Tom Verso

    Deep Media: Good take. It’s an amalgam of Deep State and Fake News. It could sail and obviously needs constant exposure as a meme. The explanations and general verbiage need a bit of redacting and tighter focus. Edit. Edit. Edit. The basic premise is something in need of careful repostulation,but does have weight and gravitas.

  24. @Richard B

    Semantics rules. Thus is the message controlled. Consider the egregious “Patriot Act”. In all truth, the bluntly enacted legislation was couched AGAINST genuine, traditional Bill of Rights patriotism. So any opponent of the Deep State/Deep Media complex should employ a term that directly belies their semantic lie: “The Patriot Suppression Act”.

    Now, we take over the message by confronting their semantic trick with plain truth. There are many other examples of semantic Newspeak out there. Track them down and slam them right between the lies with the storied equal but opposite reaction.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  25. Chris Hedges and Matt Taibbi will never name the Jew, therefore the Jew will continue unseen by most ‘normie’ Americans to censor free speech and protect their diabolical scheme for world power. Matt came close with his articles on gigantic blood funnel Goldman Sachs and he was immediately rebuked. Not one of these American journalists will throw their journalism career on the sword for the sake of our country. We live in a time of pathetic men and whorish women.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  26. Fortunat says:

    Mr. McDonald is keeping his course, he is seeing the larger picture.

    Great stuff.

  27. neutral says:
    @Big Daddy

    As the article says, the ultimate cause is the jew. Since Trump is as obedient to the jew as all the other US politicians, you will never see anything of consequence happen.

  28. gotmituns says:
    @Wyatt

    it behooves one to ask more about the actual fascists and what they did or did not do.
    ———————————————————————————————–
    That’s the beauty of it all. Through mass enstupidation through the brainwashing of tv and hand held gadgets, very few are smart enough to ask those questions.

  29. Fr. John says:
    @Mark Matis

    Mark – Correct.

    “Jewish organizations have been strong advocates of laws in European countries that criminalize the distribution of anti-Jewish material.”

    What is that sentence about ‘whom you are not allowed to criticize?’
    Every Single Time.

    DttJWO

  30. Whites are feeling racially dispossessed by the replacement-level immigration that has occurred, and they are increasingly aware that they are hated by our liberal-left hostile elite.

    Start saying it openly and everywhere, drop it in their collective lap:

    Democrats hate White people

    They can’t deny it.

    (Republicucks take the high road and pretend we don’t exist.)

  31. DaveE says:
    @Richard B

    Explanations are IDEAS; ergo ideas (ideology) control our behavior.

    AND …..ideas (ideology) govern social/political behavior: religions ideas, economic ideas, ethnic ideas, etc.

    This is a great discussion between you and Mr. Tom Verso. Allow me, if I may, to interject what I hope may be helpful clarification of the difference between ideology and ideas, which are not quite the same. And also why the difference is everything, literally.

    Ideology is the growth of an idea over a lifetime or many lifetimes. (I’m a Buddhist, more or less, and my take is Buddha’s take, also.) People seem to need a framework, an ideology, to paste their own experience into in order to make sense of it all. Ideology is the reason Jews act like Jews, Christians act like Christians, etc. etc. on down the line. Jews take an idea, like chosen-ness and pattern their lives, their culture, their outlook, biases etc. around this basic premise, that they are G_d’s Chosen People. That basic idea becomes their ideology which guides their lives.

    Ideas grow into ideology, in other words.

    The problem comes when an ideology becomes an obsession, which it usually does. In the case of Jews, their 0ff-the-charts arrogance is always an attempt to broadcast to the world that the ideology they’ve patterned their lives around, Chosen-ness, is true.

    Other groups do the same thing, of course, but I’ve yet to find an ideology that is as vile and pernicious as one that claims a person is BORN of a superior bloodline and is therefore entitled to privileges, real-estate and power for themselves, exclusively.

    Buddha hated ideology. He called it “belief”, by which he means a pre- conceived notion, a framework, of “how it is” which almost always leads to an obsession and unbridled arrogance in behavior.

    I think he nailed it, long before the word “Jew” even existed.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  32. One third of this great country is gun bearing and capable White Christian males who can see right before their eyes that country is being stolen by the lesser creeds with the help of the perfidious 3%…

    “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @Fred777
  33. Tom67 says:
    @paranoid goy

    I am German and I don´t live far away from Kallstadt from where Trumps grandfather is from. Trump ´s grandfather most definately was not Jewish. There are quite a few relatives of his in the area. But more importantly: If he were Jewich Donald wouldn´t have had to hide his German roots when he started to build in Manhattan. Short fun fact: Manhattan real estate is dominated by Jews. Therefore first his father (who spoke German when he grew up as it was the household language of the Trumps) and then Donald himself claimed for many years that he was of Swedish descent.
    The reason for the Donalds extreme pro Israel stance is very simple: rabid zionist Gazillionaires are the only part of American oligarchy that is on his side. He needs them very much to counter balance the rest of the elites.

  34. @Chris in Cackalacky

    I think quite, if not most, see the Jew. Due to all us needing banking, and for many a belief in a end time version of Jesus, most people just go out of their way to develop a kosher cognitive dissonance for survival purposes. .

  35. “The Jews are Going After BitChute”

    According to Andrew Anglin, “The Daily Stormer”

    “In pursuit of their ancient Semitic mission to track down every last vestige of free speech in the world and exterminate it, the Jews are now coming after BitChute.

    Google Play banned the third-party app BitChute this week, which was promoted as a “free speech” alternative to YouTube that has become a safe haven for neo-Nazis, hosting racist, violent and antisemitic videos that are later posted on social media.”

    Should be no problem: If the alleged “hate speech” is false, then ‘sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me”; if the alleged “hate speech” is true, then it’s a public service announcement. A win-win situation.

  36. Richard B says:
    @Majority of One

    Track them down and slam them right between the lies with the storied equal but opposite reaction.

    There’s a lot in that sentence. A lot. I don’t entirely agree. But, as I said to Tom Verso in a previous exchange here, to explain why might take up more space than is appropriate. However, the subject of semantics would make a great article at KM’s TOO, or here at TUR.

    In any event, what I really liked about the quote above from your excellent comment is that it points to something that is simply undeniable. And that is, in the end, the only way to control the meaning of words is through force.

    Our ideas and our explanations of them can be well-reasoned and well-written, they can even impress and, more importantly, inspire. But if those ideas and explanations are not backed by, protected and supported by, force, they can be easily crushed.

    To give a straightforward example of what I’m talking about….

  37. AndrewR says:

    If the holocaust happened, it was because the Nazis believed there was no coexistence with you-know-who. How much of our elites’ behavior is evidence against that belief?

  38. trickster says:

    The public knows the media are a nest of liars and yet continue to believe what they read, see and are told. Dont blame the media for making you their hoe !

  39. saggy says:

    Taibbi notes that there was a sea change after the 2016 election where basically organizations like the NYTimes had a “come to Jesus” moment” when they asked themselves how could we let this happen and decided to become overtly political,

    What naïve gibberish. Hedges and Taibbi are gatekeepers. MacDonald is a gatekeeper. Saying Jew is not enough. It is way past time to say what cannot be said, and Hedges, Taibbi, and MacDonald will never do it.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  40. jsigur says:

    Using the term “anti-Jewish”, a term that implies ethnic hate, is tempting (because everyone is used to the term) but the fact is by using that term you help make the case that telling facts about Jews and Jewish behavior, is in itself, “hate” against Jews.
    Why help the Jews sell their argument against us?
    Of course, corresponding talk by Jews against Whites is permissible and why? Because Jews have publicly sold their version of reality to the rest of us meaning that their charges of hate against us are propped up by a”reality” believed to be true.
    Clearly, tying truths that Jews don’t want you to know to ‘revisionism’ and refusing to accept Jewish word games as starting points for discussion is a small but necessary step to selling the idea that everyone deep down inside knows “truth telling does not equal hate”.
    Ppl like Taibi, who must clearly see that censorship is a Jewish problem, do us no favors by misdirecting us from this notion. Also, we should consider folks that deny first causes may actually not care about solving the problem as much as assuring their monetary gains are not impacted when talking about the problem. Tim Poole is another example of this complaining all day long but refusing to note the obvious, that the leaders of this censorship hysteria are Jewish organizations and politicians
    Finally, I would submit that much of the expanding censorship is done partly to hide the part Jews really care about ( telling truth that doesn’t flatter them) much in the same way that all those ppl that hate Hitler but are called Nazis are attacked to muddle who or what a Nazi really is! (ppL that are against Jew rule, basically)

  41. Alfred says:
    @David Bauer

    because both are long-time 9/11 truth deniers and both are obviously intelligent enough to know better.

    First they came …

    These guys are a big part of the problem. It is a bit late to recant – and in a very oblique way at that.

    • Agree: Rufus Clyde
  42. @saggy

    KMAC is not a “gatekeeper” you stupid POS.

    What have you done for the cause?

    Macdonald has spent his entire life fighting for our people.

    You are filth.

  43. And in the US, where there is still a large segment of the White population that has not trusted the liberal media for decades, mainly because of mainstream conservative media figures like Rush Limbaugh

    So much fuss here is made about the Jews in media and yet Con Inc liars like Rush are depicted as outsiders trying to jam the system when they are in fact dutiful liars for the establishment.

    Conservatives like Rush Limbaugh spin libertarian tall tales about how racial conflicts and inequality are caused by “big government” and we just need to reduce government to fix everything. It’s the same coin of the great lie but the other side.

    As with liberalism we aren’t allowed to ask questions about the third world and how these conservative utopian fixes of “minimal government” don’t seem to be working. As with Fox news we’re just supposed to pretend that race doesn’t exist and believe those poor Haitians just need 401ks and less socialism.

    It’s all so tiring and but according to Macdonald it all goes back to the Jews.

    These poor oppressed conservative millionaires deceive their audiences with tall tales of big government bugagboos while completely ignoring all the cases where the “free market” didn’t magically provide the best outcome. Try getting on one of these talk shows to ask about why the globalist capital plans for Africa didn’t work. Germany was rebuilt in 10 years and yet these lying capitalists tell us that Africa just needs a few more trillion in aid. Oh but if you get banned from a conservative website for pointing any of this out (as I have) that somehow doesn’t count as media censorship.

    • Replies: @Ann T. Zemitik
  44. @RoatanBill

    What exactly is treasonous behaviour in the context of the United States, and has there been any administration in the last two hundred years whose primary operations did not meet this criteria? All I can see is a continuous policy of of doing whatever is perceived to be necessary to expand an empire on behalf of the tier of society that benefits from expanding and maintaining an empire.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  45. @SteveK9

    Nice idea, but Cernovich is an illiterate hack disinfo agent…and Hedges and Talabi are dupes whose crying acts just that.

  46. @No

    I think the “canard” is spot-on, in the context of what actually happened in Germany. The potential held in a German-Russian alliance after 1920 was the greatest threat to the position of the people in charge of the British Empire since the War of the Spanish succession. The “extreme right” has served up softballs for one hundred years to the Empire, both in it’s British and American iterations, and that far right got smashed out of the park every time. The Austrian and the Drumpf both fit the definition of “post turtle”, as in little reptiles set on a post by somebody.

  47. @Maria

    he wisely shaved his head a few years ago and usually wears a hat these days in videos and such

  48. @DaveE

    Buddha hated ideology. He called it “belief”, by which he means a pre- conceived notion, a framework, of “how it is” which almost always leads to an obsession and unbridled arrogance in behavior.

    Hated ideology? Where did you learn that? Some boomer hippie that thinks Buddhism consists of getting high and chanting?

    Buddha created an arrogant framework of “how it is” by teaching that your current problems are caused by your past life.

    He actually told a student that his headache was caused by hitting a fish in the head in a past life.

    If someone tortures and rapes you then you had it coming. You probably did the same in the past.

    That is what he taught. Look it up.

    • Thanks: Rufus Clyde
    • Replies: @DaveE
  49. aandrews says:

    The Taibbi-Hedges conversation was a slick, well-done production by RT, I have to say.

  50. Haskap says:

    Undiscussed by Hedges and Taibbi is the very prominent role of Jews in all this.

    Comment #2 by Verymuchalive made reference to this omission. I have noticed a sensitivity by RTAmerica to not implicate Jews. One occasion was a response to a caller who was cut off prematurely when his comment looked like it was going to be critical. It wasn’t. RT censors were too quick on the trigger.

    When Al Jazeera sought permission to broadcast in Canada, their cable carrier went before the CRTC regulator and called for public input. The response was 100% in favour except for two Jewish organizations. Realizing that the licence would be granted, the Jews made a deal with Al Jazeera whereby they would not oppose the application if AJ agreed “not to question the holocaust or engage in any other antisemitic activity” – as best I remember the reported quote.

    I concluded this is the red line that must not be crossed by AJ, RT et. al. if they want access to the N. American audience.

    • Thanks: Rufus Clyde
  51. DaveE says:
    @John Johnson

    He also taught that arrogance is so all-consuming that many people are incapable of accepting or even understanding the concept of karma.

    You just proved him right.

    • Agree: MrVoid
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  52. @David Bauer

    The list of characters who will not name the true enemy in the 9/11 narrative does include Hedges and Taibbi but must also include Chomsky, Blum, Greenwald, Pilger, Assange, Snowden, Blumenthal, Scahill, etc. All limited hangout/controlled opposition types. Thank you for tying it back to this central truth.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  53. The actual “political” situation in the world leading to this milieu of increasing political terrorism is the ever-present talmudic war against all non-judaist nations, with its rabbinical warriors suitably dressed in red or blue–whatever is necessary to maim or annihilate The Other. This is the underlying pathology and has been since about 300 A.D. For an accurate update (as of 2017), assimilate this fine subtitled talk (1:10:06) by lawyer Horst Mahler, who knows whereof he speaks:


    For a short update (15:15) from Herr Mahler just before re-incarceration in the German gulag, see this:


    • Replies: @Protogonus
  54. annamaria says:
    @No

    Jewish haters of Germans (Russians, Palestinians, Iranians… the list is long) expose their supremacist stupidity as soon as facts are factored in. Here is a story of a premiere of Olivier Messiaen’s music in a camp. https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/miranda/la-et-cam-quartet-for-end-time-20170614-story.html
    Take note of the kind of activities allowed and encouraged in a German concentration camp:

    Messiaen’s audience was an assembly of prisoners and their guards. … The composition, “Quartet for the End of Time,” was a piece of chamber music in eight movements… The musicians played an unusual combination of instruments: piano, cello, violin and clarinet [all the musicians were prisoners of the camp]. … At that first recital, Messiaen played the piano.

    In short, the prisoners in a German camp were allowed to keep their precious musical instruments (“cello, violin and clarinet”) as well as practice and perform music for “prisoners and their guards.” This fact alone – and it is freely mentioned by numerous sources – makes the ADL (created in the memory of a child rapist/murderer Leo Frank) and various profiteering holobiz entities look not just ridiculous but malicious.

    WWII was preceded by the Bolshevik revolution in Russia (hello, Mr. Jakob Schiff and your Russophobic brethren including Trotsky) and followed by the creation of a large concentration camp out of Palestine (hey, Jewish terrorists turned prime-ministers and presidents of Israel). Agree that the denial of freedom of information has been a great danger to the country, while the censorship has allowed the MIC, Financial Squid, and ziocons can get their profits uninterrupted.

    http://www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/lo-x1e25-amei-x1e24-erut-israel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations

  55. Robjil says:
    @Beautiful Evidence

    In the end, they are not going to save Judaism or Jewish culture by keeping silent.

    Silence equal death.

    The thousands who or were injured died on 9 11 should be honored. Also, so should the millions who died or were wounded in the many wars and regime changes with the be “silent” 9 11 card plus the big 6 card.

    Justice is waiting. These guys are just holding the dam.

  56. Fred777 says:
    @God's Fool

    I haven’t noticed any backup for Kyle Rittenhouse coming to the rescue.

    • Replies: @God's Fool
    , @Trickster
  57. @Verymuchalive

    So far, no mention of relatives, no matter how remote, who were gauleiters, SS members, prison camp guards etc.

    That would be a difficult row to hoe; Trump was born in 1946, his father was born (in the US) in 1909, and his grandfather (b. 1869) arrived in the US about 20 years after the War to Prevent Southern Secession and became a US citizen in 1892.

    Any relatives who were signing up for the NSDAP (est. 1920) would have been Trump’s grandparents’ siblings’ children – i.e., Trump’s father’s cousins, i.e., Trump’s ‘second’ cousins.

    Even the ADL is not stupid enough to try “Trump related to concentration camp guard!!!!!” or such shit… because that would invite investigation as to the number of kapo in the lineage of major Jewish agitators, of which there will be plenty.

    So as a strategy it stands a good chance of backfiring spectacularly – assuming anybody took notice of either story, but almost nobody would take notice.

    If a group has a totally fucked-up moral code – such as the one contained in the stupid primitive Yahweh cartoons – the sins of the father might be visited on the son… but the sins of the grandfather’s siblings’ kids? Yeah, nah.

  58. Tony Hall says:
    @David Bauer

    From 9/11, to HIV-AIDS to COVID-19 and the “Great Reset”

    The dubious credibility of many public intellectuals is deeply tied up with the lies and crimes of 9/11. Hedges and Taibbi have much company in failing to notice there is no genuine consensus among scientists, academics and various flavours of public intellectual concerning what really happened in and around 9/11. Who are the culprits? How did they do it? Who benefited? What global interactions developed after Sept. 11, 2001 because of the way the 9/11 events both happened and were perceived to have happened?

    Many lists of well publicized writers and talkers have been published identifying those that were and are conveniently AWOL on the unspeakable subject at the origins of the so-called Global War on Terror. The GWOT was quickly engineered as first and foremost a Global War on Muslims to serve the interests of Israel.

    Inevitably close consideration of the evidence in and around the 9/11 fiasco leads into the forbidden territory that is zealously gate kept by the Israel Lobby with its enormous role in intelligence agencies, media and public policy (for starters). The fatwa on discussing 9/11 in the venues where Hedges and Taibbi have thrived amounts pretty much to the manifestation of a Zionist veto power over who can or cannot communicate in all sorts of media venues reaching large audiences. Those who agree to be remain basically blind to the huge ongoing geopolitical implications of the 9/11 false flag and its ongoing cover up include Snowden and Assange and Greenwald.

    Then there are those such as Pilger and Escobar and Atzmon who cautiously weave around the edges of the forbidden subject trying, rather ingeniously sometimes, to avoid stepping on land mines. They imply blame but avoid the “gotcha” thuggery of the defenders of the foundational Islamophobia-inducing interpretation of 9/11. Is Kevin Macdonald himself part of this group?

    The base explanation fed to the world by Ehud Barak on the very morning of 9/11 has been coercively sustained to this day as a core legend supporting some of the the main tenets of the empire of lies, the axis of deception that Taibbi and Hedges rightly identify. Taibbi along with, for instance, Noam Chomsky and Alexander Cockburn took their complicity with the 9/11 fraud one step further by conducting ad hominem attacks on the character of the much maligned “truthers” who perhaps were fashioned as prototypes for today’s “deplorables.”

    The infiltration, subversion and exploitation of the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement weaves between many careers including those of Cass Sunstein, Alex Jones and the Infowars ascent of Donald Trump. Where others saw conspiracy theories President Trump saw fake news. The practitioners of fake news are presently on full display trying through the deployment of many tools of subversion, including an illicit media monopoly, to steal the presidential election away from Donald Trump and a massive upsurge of hopeful deplorables.

    I found it difficult to listen to Chris Hedges with his RT badge bemoaning the lack of “real journalists” who derive their conclusions from unrelenting reckoning with genuine evidence, no matter how menacing this evidence might be to the status quo. A self-declared intellectual descendant of Rosa Luxenbourg, Hedges has taken over the role formerly played by Left’s godfather, Noam Chomsky, especially at New York’s annual Left Forum. Funded generously by the Soros-styled Rosa Luxembourg Stiftung, the Left Forum has repeatedly banished those whose alleged “conspiracy theorists” formed the basis of academic sessions looking at a variety of false flag psychological operations including 9/11. The spurned public intellectuals, including me, responded to the purges of Hedges and his entourage by leaving the Left Forum to found our own Left-Out Forum.

    The propaganda swirling around the allegedly new coronavirus, the lockdowns, the fake “case numbers,” and the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset” is being safeguarded by an enlarged and rejuvenated set of media gate keepers. The purpose of this gate keeping is to muzzle and and probably criminalize those who do not adhere to the party line of what what Hedges and Taibbi rightfully describe as the “one-party informational system.” Among the first of the academics being singled out for ritual defamation as an intellectual heretic is Prof. Mark Crispin Miller. Long a pillar of the Media Department at New York University, Prof. Miller is an astute and widely published expert on propaganda whose many specialties include election fraud.

    By not drawing the line at the nonsense fobbed off as official narrative to explain the 9/11 debacle, our the supposed A Team of public intellectuals contributed significantly to corrosion of the journalist system whose demise has been so persuasively flagged especially by Glenn Greenwald in his recent resignation from the Intercept. The gutting of the credibility of our main media systems puts us even more thoroughly in peril at the very moment when we are facing the unmistakable harbingers of mass enslavement directed our way in the name of public health and the Great Reset. The emergency measures keep piling up as plans are being pushed ahead for digital monitoring and mass arrests leading to mass incarcerations in so-called quarantine camps.

    Another theatre of preparation for the current scam is the HIV-AIDS fiasco whose main architect and entrepreneur was Anthony Fauci. Like an understanding of 9/11, an understanding of the HIV-AIDS manipulation forms some of the background necessary for realistic evaluations of the current COVID scheme. As with HIV-AIDS, the COVID scam seems to involve developing real or imaginary designer germs to create mass hysteria, compliant human automatons and controlled communications networks.

    • Agree: Polemos
    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @JasonT
    , @Rufus Clyde
  59. @Wyatt

    Long noses of the hooked variety.

  60. @DaveE

    He also taught that arrogance is so all-consuming that many people are incapable of accepting or even understanding the concept of karma.

    You just proved him right.

    If anything is all-consuming it is tying yourself to a religion that tells you how to think and rejects human nature.

    The idea that evil comes from a past life goes against what we know about the brain and psychopathy. As with liberalism it rejects the idea of people being born with genetics that favor immoral behavior. All evidence suggests that this does indeed happen. Most pyschopathic killers were violent and unruly as children. We can even see brain differences in psychopaths through MRI scans.

    Call me arrogant all you want, I don’t give a flying f and I don’t believe Asian joo joo karma will somehow get me.

    • Replies: @MrVoid
    , @Trickster
  61. Art says:
    @Tom Verso

    “…media outlets, from WaPo, the LATimes and NPR to CNN and MSNBC—all with large Jewish ownership and/or staffing,”

    First — it is a human right to criticize Jews. It is an essential human right, to be free to disparage Israel, AIPAC, ADL, Jew media ownership, and Jew bank ownership.

    Next — the NYT and WP are not the top of the leftist hierarchy anymore. Twitter, FB, Google are.

    Who controls internet clicks – controls America. Twitter controlled the Hunter Biden story – and thus it controlled the election. It stopped American from clicking on the critical story of the Biden family selling of government access. (Now look at the god-awful election situation we are in today.)

    NYT and WP need Twitter and FB clicks (just like everyone else) – they need a prominent place in Google searches. Get clicks or die!

    Social media is king today – not traditional media!

    Google, FB, and Twitter have major Jew ownership.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
    , @Tom Verso
  62. Sirius says:
    @Tony Hall

    Very interesting analysis. You should get article status on this one so that it can be seen by a wider audience–and have more comments.

    • Agree: Polemos
  63. @John Johnson

    There are a lot of good comments on this thread. Too bad I can’t agree with all of them that I’d like to because the system says, “Only Five Reaction-Comments Allowed per Eight Hour Window.” Why? What kind of totalitarian bullshit is this? Why the hell would it matter how many times I agree with someone in an 8 hour span, Ron?

    • Replies: @Polemos
  64. JasonT says:
    @Tony Hall

    It is very difficult to separate propaganda from truth. Your analysis is as cogent as anything I’ve seen. However, our ability to separate truth from propaganda will only get more difficult.

  65. Neoconned says:

    If you view Biden & Trump as fronts for various power factions and billionaire slash oligarchy coalitions this all makes more sense….

    Whoever is behind Biden is going all out to consolidate power and stamp out all opposition to monopower….

    I don’t know who “they” are but they sure don’t mind rigging the election….

  66. @Big Daddy

    arrest and trial for treason of the Bidens, Fauci, Brennan, various FBI and CIA bums, and others

    Yeah, sure. Just like he arrested and prosecuted Hilary Clinton exactly as promised, four years ago.

  67. MrVoid says:
    @John Johnson

    The idea that evil comes from a past life goes against what we know about the brain and psychopathy. As with liberalism it rejects the idea of people being born with genetics that favor immoral behavior.

    What you are saying is incorrect. The law of karma only says that everything is just. If you are born with criminal tendencies, it’s just, because of whatever you did in the past. If you’re born with criminal tendencies, that could be because you were unduly cruel to someone who was born with similar tendencies.

    This is in contrast to the Abrahamic faiths that put everything down to free will. The idea of free will cannot be reconciled with A) a just God and B) persons being genetically inclined to behaviour that will cause them to suffer.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  68. Jiminy says:

    Imagine a scene where a group of dishevelled people are huddled around a radio, hiding in the darkened basement listening to a pirate podcast. Outside is a van with radio detection gear driving up and down the street trying to pinpoint the position of a suspected illegal radio. The group quickly disperse, agreeing to meet in two weeks time. The day is marked on a calendar, a 2021 calendar.
    The place, America. You are now entering the twilight zone.

  69. @Tony Hall

    I followed your travails at U of L with some interest, Dr. Hall, and I believe that I share your view of the nature of the 9/11 operation. I found the attack on you by Alberta Views to be one of the more shameful manifestations of cowardice in mainstream journalism, although the CBC hit-piece stunk just about as badly. But I have to ask, why you stated in such specific terms that the operation was the work of Netanyahu and Israeli intelligence. There seems little question that Israeli state assets were up to their eyeballs in the psy-op, but I see no way that the various elements of the operation could have been co-ordinated without the direct participation of elements of the highest levels of US intelligence, military and government. By the way, I took exception to another article by the a*#hole at Alberta Views who wrote the screed about you, in relation to a completely different article, and the editor’s response was one of the more mealy-mouthed, chicken-s&^t evasions I have experienced.

  70. @Art

    Which begs the question as to how Drumpf was given overwhelming exposure on these platforms in 2016, and I don’t mean by the tiny Russian click-bait program.

    • Replies: @Art
  71. Tom Verso says:
    @Art

    Yes of course you are quite right about “social media”.

    However, I would consider them as just part of the whole of the mass media industry to include broadcast media like CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    More importantly, this mass media industry controls public opinion.

    I was commenting on an article and video, which were discussing print media so I limited my discussion to them.

    However, I would not minimize print giants like NYT, Wash Post, etc.
    They provide the so-called “experts” on any given subject that comes up in a Google search, in broadcast TV segments, and are quoted in social media give and take.

    In short, I consider all media forms to be public opinion makers, and all those forms are owned by a very small oligarchical group of incredibly rich MEN, most of whom are Jewish.

    And the media oligarchy use their wealth and media ownership to control public opinion and thereby control government policy to suit their needs (e.g. Israel, military budget, etc.).

    That oligarchy is what I call the “Deep Media”.

    • Replies: @Art
  72. cranc says:

    Undiscussed by Hedges and Taibbi is the very prominent role of Jews in all this.

    It seems that the what remains of the intelligent Left is pretty much in agreement with the dissident Right in most areas (ending Neoliberalism, re-inventing finance, stopping imperial war, addressing immigration agendas even) – but not this one. It can seem that this issue is all that stands between them : a threshold of intellectual inquiry that is uncrossed (unapproachable ? ) for the Left, purely for the sake of taboo.

    • Agree: justanothernick
  73. @Fred777

    They are all standing down and standing by per the commander in chief…

    • LOL: Rufus Clyde
    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  74. Trickster says:
    @John Johnson

    IN my amusing journey through this life I have always found that what is considered a law of the universe or whatever is a law of the bullshit. When I look at the 10 commandments I posit that Moses might have saved the tablets for his pig pen. Everyone violates God’s rules and the ones that tout it the most are the ones that flout it the most.

    All around me I hear “lying is a sin”, “honesty is the best policy” from people who lie as a matter of course and are dishonest as a habit. I get the impression that “you should not lie” and “you should not steal” BUT I am allowed to. I mean where theft is concerned if everyone helped themselves to loot there would be less to go around right ?

    Then we have men of the cloth braying about morals and diddling the altar boys and each other to the point where even the Pope is getting into the action. At least it seems he is a late entrant but who knows, in the dark recesses of the Vatican he may have been the leader of the pervert cabal.

    Religion seems designed to control rather than enlighten. Stand, sit, crouch, bend over while the preacher does what the fuck he wants.

    Karma seems to fall into the same bucket of bullshit. “Do good now so you so you will reap good in the next life or You are suffering now because you did wrong 2 centuries ago”. The funny part is that the malicious dont give a shit about bad in the past, present or future. They do what fuck they want.

    The whole concept of Karma, like so many other religious concepts and dogmas is sheer shit. Christ came to save man but ended up on a cross along with 2 other thieves. The people who hoisted him showed not a bit of hesitation or remorse in doing him, and having him hang out with criminals.

    There must be a lesson there somewhere !

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  75. Trickster says:
    @Fred777

    That’s because they are hiding in their Mom’s cold storage room in her basement “waiting for instructions” to no longer stand down, stand by, stand aside or for that matter STAND UP.

    God’s Fool is out of touch. Hitting the bong with that Chronic, Endo and Gin and Juice tends to thrust one into the realm of fantasy.

    The production line for hard men not only ground to a standstill long ago, but the machines have been dumped at the scrap yard and recycled into tonka toys and leggo.

    If God’s Fool pulled his thumb out of his ass and sucked it it would make no difference. They dont make dem broncos any mo and thats all there is to it.

    Fruitcakes, snowflakes and marshmallows rule !

  76. @MrVoid

    What you are saying is incorrect. The law of karma only says that everything is just. If you are born with criminal tendencies, it’s just, because of whatever you did in the past.

    What you are saying is that there is an unprovable cause behind the cause.

    That does not make me incorrect.

    There is a flaw with your line of thinking which is that if criminal proclivity is genetic and it could in theory be corrected that brings into question this idea of a grand karma justice system.

    So children who had polio deserved it up until the creation of the vaccine? That doesn’t make any sense. The more likely answer is that past life has nothing to do with it.

    What about animals that suffer? Were they bad animals in the past?

    Life contains suffering that is undeserved. I don’t believe for one second that children or animals deserve to suffer because of a past life. If you want to believe in this Asian religion where they sit around and chant while the rest of us try to fix social problems then go ahead.

  77. MrVoid says:

    Life contains suffering that is undeserved. I don’t believe for one second that children or animals deserve to suffer because of a past life. If you want to believe in this Asian religion where they sit around and chant while the rest of us try to fix social problems then go ahead.

    That’s the secret though. It’s all deserved. There is no injustice. Jewish Tikam Olam combined with Christian world-saving has only lead to the extinction of western civilization, and according to the law of karma, whatever happens to me is what I deserve even if I don’t like being a White guy at this time. The people who sit around chanting will inherit the earth.

  78. @Trickster

    Karma seems to fall into the same bucket of bullshit. “Do good now so you so you will reap good in the next life or You are suffering now because you did wrong 2 centuries ago”. The funny part is that the malicious dont give a shit about bad in the past, present or future. They do what fuck they want.

    The malicious don’t give a shit and nor do malicious governments like the one that currently rules over Tibet.

    Buddhism is the worst religion because you are expected to roll over and take whatever comes.

    Raped and left in a ditch? You probably did the same in some past life. Were all these female rape victims actually male in the past?

    It doesn’t make any sense.

    Christ came to save man but ended up on a cross along with 2 other thieves. The people who hoisted him showed not a bit of hesitation or remorse in doing him, and having him hang out with criminals.

    Well the Romans had no qualms about nailing anyone to a cross and they just happened to be putting up some criminals on the same day.

    But that was after the people chose to give a reprieve to a popular criminal instead of Christ so your point remains.

    I could honestly see that happening today. The people choose a popular criminal over a philosopher. Has nothing to do with religion. Just look at how many secular White liberals choose to support Black criminals over the police. They even turn them into martyrs.

  79. MrVoid says:

    Raped and left in a ditch? You probably did the same in some past life. Were all these female rape victims actually male in the past?

    It doesn’t make any sense.

    Yeah the implication is that you did something similar, intention-wise, and it does make sense. You don’t have to believe it and I see that you don’t but you keep saying things like “It doesn’t make sense”, but there’s no illogic here. I don’t claim that karma is scientifically provable. Of course it isn’t and it may never be provable. Karma requires ignorance to function, so it could be that its very existence depends on it never being provable, sort of how some Christians say “the devil’s greatest accomplishment was convincing people that he doesn’t exist”.

  80. This seems relevant:
    “Censorship: US Department of Justice (DOJ) Closes Down Canada’s Independent Media Site AHT. Professor Anthony Hall”
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/censorship-us-department-of-justice-doj-closes-down-canadas-independent-media-site-aht-professor-anthony-hall/5728702

  81. @God's Fool

    Only God can save the Hot Pockets now.

  82. Art says:
    @Tom Verso

    However, I would not minimize print giants like NYT, Wash Post, etc.
    They provide the so-called “experts” on any given subject that comes up in a Google search, in broadcast TV segments, and are quoted in social media give and take.

    I agree that NYT and WP still have power – but I think that Twitter, FB, and Google have more.

    It is Twitter that saved Biden from the valid charge of influence peddling. The NYT did not even defend the NY Post’s right to publish the Hunter emails. The bastion of righteousness followed Twitter’s lead like a puppy.

    The social media titans are now top dog in the game of information. Published media and TV media followed Twitter. Dorsey elected Joe Biden.

    Jew controlled social media, manipulates and determines, who gets internet views and clicks. Published media depends on social media to deliver eyes.

  83. Art says:
    @Rufus Clyde

    Which begs the question as to how Drumpf was given overwhelming exposure on these platforms in 2016, and I don’t mean by the tiny Russian click-bait program.

    In 2016 the media thought that they were giving Trump rope to hang himself – but he was convincing people to vote for him.

    • Replies: @Rufus Clyde
  84. @Protogonus

    The link given above to the Horst Mahler talk on the talmudic war against the human race apparently has become unworkable. For the present, here is a working substitute:


  85. dvorak says:

    throwing a sop to conservatives by hiring someone like neocon Bret Stephens to appease conservatives

    The NYT hiring Stephens, or before him Kristol, is about using traitors to attack ‘fellow’ conservatives.

    The NYT hiring Dowd and Collins is about using traitors to attack ‘fellow’ Catholics.

  86. @Art

    I don’t think so, but I’m not sure. The Dems gave him as much social media exposure as they could. I am not really sure what happened. It was very strange. I think that the Dems thought that they could promote him, overturn Jeb Bush, and then the Harridan could beat him.

  87. Polemos says:
    @Ann T. Zemitik

    Have you been to Reddit, Facebook or Twitter? Unlimited use of emotive indicators (i. e., Likes or 👍🏽s or 🤔s or 🔺s) leads to rigged interactions (botwars to game the numbers) and deflates the value of the marker itself (like printing money to excess).

    Or, think of it like special magical attacks with cool downs, and role play accordingly. Save that Troll blast for a really nasty midboss and don’t waste it on the blue slimes. You have to plan ahead to figure out how to maneuver the conversation around so you can use LOL on one of the Final Bosses.

    It’s not totalitarian bullshit if you’re playing a game, though all games are, logically speaking, self-contained totalities of bullshit.

    • Replies: @Ann T. Zemitik
  88. @Tom Verso

    You make it too complex. I got a name for your Deep Media: Reuters, Associated Press, Tass and so on. The entire world’s news is filtered through this handful of “News Agencies”, proof of which are the many hilarious video compilations of “Newsreaders” regurgitating the same nonsense word-for-word. The fact that their copywriters are too lazy (or stupid?) to at least change the wording? Now THAT is where the pseudo-intellectual ego-wank of the billionaire owner comes to the fore.
    Oh, and of course, the bit where the “News” tells you about the wonderful new advances, which are actually just products and services advertised as public service. The primary purpose of newspapers is, was and always will be advertising. Products, services, the latest crap to run out of a “respected scientist’s” foul Bolshevik mouth…. anything they need to “sell”. Like vaccines based on unproven theories about Vague, Incredibly Renumerative Unproven Suppositions.
    As for the Jews, stop conflating them with the Jewish. It’s like calling the Israelis “Israelites”.
    Now I’ve used up all my quotation marks!

  89. @Polemos

    “Have you been to Reddit, Facebook or Twitter?”

    Nein, nein, and nein. I don’t visit kike-controlled sites.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  90. This sort of government-imposed censorship is effective in countries like France and Germany, but is not likely to succeed in the United States with its strong tradition of constitutionally protected free speech.

    Free speech in the Jewish-owned American press is an oxymoron. There may not be blatant government sponsorship simply because it is not necessary; self-censorship by the MSM precludes the need for open state intervention. Even then, the criminalization of support for BDS in many states is the first of many signs of government censorship, all at the behest of Jewish power. Someone please tell me the last time they read or heard criticism of Israel or of Jewish power in the mainstream print or e-media.

  91. Polemos says:
    @Ann T. Zemitik

    Ah, well, you’re doing fine. Sites such as those show the problems with unlimited likes.

    Although, if you dislike and avoid certain sites for being controlled by those folks, I hope you don’t find out soon who runs unz.com.

  92. Matt Taibi and Chris Hedges operate under the principle that dishonesty is dishonesty no matter what color it comes in but the Jews of NYT think that perfidy is honesty and honesty is perfidy… the Jew is taking his final gambit to takeover the world but he is way too smart for his own good and in spite of having lived with Christian Whites for nearly a thousand years he is clueless about the nature of the White man and he is going to regret it… he better hope that his G-d doesn’t forget him when the push comes to shove, for it’s coming in a tidal wave!

  93. Polemos says:
    @Tom Verso

    Do you intend for ‘ideas determine’ or ‘ideas control’ or ‘ideas govern’ to not be ascribing agency to ideas? I’m trying to reconcile your earlier criticism of those who personate The Media with your use of these verbs, and one way is to interpret these particularly narrowly.

    Speaking of Socrates, do you think ideas are alive and active agents in their own evolution or lifecycle or not even of the sort?

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  94. loren says:
    @paranoid goy

    I was told he was British..in any case, who cares? not me.

  95. loren says:
    @SteveK9

    Bith have some bad points. I was listening to CH this week. I was looking for hitches but got hedges.

    writes for ROLLING STONE???WTF

  96. loren says:
    @No

    uh no–utube

    Chris Hedges on “Israel’s War on American Universities”
    17K views 6 years ago.

    And fakebook wont allow links to unz.

  97. Tom Verso says:

    You write “You make it too complex”,

    On the contrary, I have simplified the issue.

    All the various forms of media: print, broadcasts, internet etc. condenses into ONE Media Industry and that industry is control by a few dozen mega rich men who determine what the masses read and hear.

    Those few dozen men are what I characterize as the Deep Media; i.e. the real power of media to inculcate the masses with an ideology and in turn control the behavior of the masses.

  98. Tom Verso says:
    @Polemos

    Well clearly you have a tincture of philosophy. I haven’t had such questions put to me since my last philosophy course.

    Cutting to the chase; attempting to respond to all your questions in one protracted statement:

    I accept the adage that “Man is a social animal”. Humans by nature organize themselves into social units: family, clans, tribes, states, and civilizations. Within these gross social groupings, there are sub-social groups based on class, vocations, religions, etc.

    Ideology is the common substrate that bonds groups of divers individuals into a social entity. The United States, for example, is a nation state consisting of over 300 million individuals of different race, ethnicity, religions, economic class, gender, etc.

    The hundreds of millions of different individuals coalesce into a nation-state society with a shared common ideological bound ‘nationalism’. Whatever the identity the individual has within subgroups; the national ideological society dominates; those sub-group identities are superseded by the national ideological identity,

    All common ideological bonds from the family to the civilization are determined by a dominant power. The ‘head of family’ determines the family bonding ideology; the most powerful family determines the clan ideology; at the tribe, state and civilization level, the dominant ideology is determined by the most powerful class (religious, military, economic, etc.)

    In American today, the financial class is the dominate ideological determining class; i.e. individuals who control the banking system and financial markets. The elite members of that class own and control the mass media and education institutions, which inculcate the masses with the ideology that suits the interest of the dominate financial class.

    The ideology in turn determines the behavior of the citizens of the state. For example, people vote for political candidates that do the biding of the financial class. Both political parties put forth such candidates (e.g.. Trump and Biden) and the people laboring under the ideological illusion that they have a choice behave accordingly going to the polls and voting.

    Voting is the opium of the masses; it creates the feel good illusion of freedom and control of one’s destiny. This opium is feed to the masses through mass media (news and entertainment) and schools.

    Revolutionary change in a state results from a change in the dominant class, which in turn changes the dominant ideology and the behavior of the individuals.

    The dominant ideology of America in the pass two hundred years has changed in tandem with the change from a dominant agriculture class to a dominant manufacturing class to a dominant financial class.

    …….
    Regarding the Socrates:

    As the above implies, to my mind, “ideas are NOT alive and active agents in their own evolution or lifecycle”. The class character of a society is the alive and actively changing agent, which in turn changes the ideas (ideology).

    There is significant historical evidence demonstrating that changes in technology lead to changes in the dominant class, which in turn leads to changes in ideological political and economic character of a society.

    I was born during WW II. Accordingly, I have experience the whole evolution of American economy and prevailing ideology in the so-called ‘post-war period’. The whole of that evolution can be laid at the foot of technological changes.

    For example, transportation technology made possible the internationalization of industry. Digital technology led to changes in the financial markets.

    At the end of WW II, the manufacturing WASPs were the dominant class. Now financial Jews are the dominant class.

    At the end of WW II, American cultural ideology was characterized in Norman Rockwell art. Today, Norman Rockwell is a pejorative in the prevailing cultural ideology.

    • Thanks: mark green
    • Replies: @Polemos
  99. AReply says:

    NOTE TO THIS ENTIRE FORUM:

    Find some distinguishing criteria for your arguments beyond the lone category Jew.

    Anyone who thinks they can persuade anyone about anything based on “because Jew” has his head up his ass.

    Sure it could be true: Everything you think is bad is b/c Jew. It could even be true that everything bad is because Jew! If you are also learning to use potty at same time.

    One of my favorite come-backs is No! Who can argue with it? “No it isn’t!” I defy anyone to beat my rhetoric. Let’s try it!

    You:
    – Everything’s fucked b/c Jews

    Me:
    – No it isn’t!

    I win.

  100. J.Ross says:
    @SteveK9

    Matt and Chris are like where lefties were around the W era; the left itself has since moved much further.

  101. Polemos says:
    @Tom Verso

    Philosophy was a way to pay the bills.

    Ideology is the common substrate that bonds groups of divers individuals into a social entity. The United States, for example, is a nation state consisting of over 300 million individuals of different race, ethnicity, religions, economic class, gender, etc.

    The hundreds of millions of different individuals coalesce into a nation-state society with a shared common ideological bound ‘nationalism’. Whatever the identity the individual has within subgroups; the national ideological society dominates; those sub-group identities are superseded by the national ideological identity,

    All common ideological bonds from the family to the civilization are determined by a dominant power. The ‘head of family’ determines the family bonding ideology; the most powerful family determines the clan ideology; at the tribe, state and civilization level, the dominant ideology is determined by the most powerful class (religious, military, economic, etc.)

    I appreciate that you summarize what is no doubt a multi-layered Theory about how it all works and who it all works for into these very concise sentences. I know that reads a bit sarcastic, but it does help me to follow along with you. I get carried away with ideas when I write; they all seem so persuasive when they talk.

    That said, why did you say that “those sub-group identities are superseded by the national ideological identity?” What seems interesting to me is that you said that an ideology is a “common substrate that bonds groups of divers individuals into a social entity” — but I here notice that you used the definite article (“the common substrate”) and not an indefinite one: does this mean there can be and is only one common substrate that bonds this many into that one? Can a person only have one ideology at a time, or can my ideologies overlap, harmonize, or diffract within me — is it really the case that the only resolution for diverging ideologies comes about from power? Most powerful individuals for that entity level dominate the other individuals on that entity level, and across levels; the higher inclusive level implicitly dominates the included levels (‘sub’ indicating an inclusive relation, so the idea of supersession is baked in).

    [MORE]

    But, doesn’t the entire narrative of COVID19 demonstrate that lower levels also dominate the higher levels? Something orders smaller than myself, presumably incapable of thought or feeling or fancy, can interrupt the inner workings of my body’s secret kingdoms and kill me, turning my organs and immune systems against me —against themselves!— so enslaving them into the service of my own destruction. Or, like how Pascal puts it,

    The spirit of this sovereign judge of the world is not so independent but that it is liable to be troubled by the first disturbance about him. The noise of a cannon is not needed to break his train of thought, it need only be the creaking of a weathercock or a pulley. Do not be astonished if at this moment he argues incoherently, a fly is buzzing about his ears, and that is enough to render him incapable of sound judgment. Would you have him arrive at truth, drive away that creature which holds his reason in check, and troubles that powerful intellect which gives laws to towns and kingdoms. Here is a droll kind of god! O ridicolosissimo eroe!

    The power of flies, which win battles, hinder our soul from action, devour our body.

    Given the extent to which you construct our Theory on top of the way you think about power and give value to that, it’s worth it to investigate what you mean by that, too. For example, domination is the activity within your concept for how to think about “control” or “influence” — but clearly this doesn’t need to be so: we can think about control or influence in terms of grace or agility, resonance or sympathy, nonlinear/Brownian motion, aesthetic crafting, &c, and thus come up with all manner of narratives for how we are where we are and how we can get to where we will be. But, in your succinct version, we talk about dominance and the most powerful. We talk about how the more vast the empire, the greater the dominated subgroups, and the ideology of the higher level permeates included levels. My point, I guess, is that there is no real mechanism for how “revolutionary change” occurs except in your claim that it’s “a change in the dominant class” — but is it change as an entity (in which case, call this is a lateral revolution, since the hierarchical structure of civilization over state, state over tribe, tribe over family, . . . this remains the same) or as change among the individuals of that entity (in which case, call this a static revolution, and the hierarchy also doesn’t change)? Is the overall hierarchical structure itself a reification of power dynamics, or do you think that this hierarchy of units within units is something inextricable from the reality of our universe? —is a religion pandemic or chthonic? is it universal, transcendental, local, cultural, none? is a religious ideology included within a state level or is it only “over” the state if it’s power exists on that level?

    That is, is ideology really the substrate, the only form of bond humans can have with any other agency? Are we only ever on the level with others and unable to relate as equals or as friends to someone operating at much higher or much lower levels? Or are we always subbing for the domination of the most powerful of the most powerfuls and dominating the least powerful of the least powerfuls within us?

    (However, a change in the technology appears to me to be a case when a change in the lesser included objects (technologies, being instantiations of overlaying ideological form and underlying material reality, are also given shape and function and purpose just as the individuals whom the entity comprises, because a state as much as it is its people is also its roads, its weapons, and its laws, right?) results in a revolutionary change — it is revolutionary when my organs and my cells no longer obey the orders and rules by which I value and preserve the way of life my ego sets for the totality of me (and what is more parasitic and financially self-motivated than one’s own ego?), and when they finally succeed in overthrowing the hierarchy, I’ll know quite a change. If we followed through with this line of thinking, though, we’re going to end up realizing that technology itself is already an evolved form of parasite that requires for part of its sexual/reproductive lifecycle an incubation period within organic bodies. But as it evolves, you also see how it alters, molds, forms the behaviors and body forms of those supposedly “higher level” individuals — naturally selecting human social forms capable of sustaining and driving its evolution and reproduction.)

    Consider, for a moment, that those old slogans Orwell talks about in 1984 (War is Peace; Freedom is . . . ) have a fourth counterpart that’s not often mentioned alongside the more famous three:

    God is Power.

    What you describe as ideology seems a lot like what people call God. It is a Being within whom we live, move, and have our being. You do not say that ideas are alive and choosing (but who asks them, anyway) but instead say it is the class character (definite article, again) that is alive and choosing. As an entity, or as the individuals whom the class character comprises? Is there a class character whose own self-awareness is similar to my own self-awareness (my ego’s awareness of itself, which is not my body’s awareness of itself nor the Universe’s awareness of Itself), or do you mean ‘class character’ as a kind of metonym for those individuals whose own interests and desires and habits and values (their ideas) and the behaviors resulting from such (how they actually change the world)?

    Based upon my knowledge, training, and experience, what we see with totalitarianism is the result of thinking that Power and God can only be one thing, a unity brought about by binding all of the lesser included bits into the control of that unity. Inherent to the analysis the Theory provides for us in understanding the world is this assumption about Power. The Theory will reproduce the hierarchical structure because it is that structure’s own ideological form. Outside of God and Power, there are many forms of life, and there they will continue to blossom and evolve and choose.

    Man, I can get really distracted, but thank you for coming along.

    • Replies: @Tom Verso
  102. Tom Verso says:
    @Polemos

    Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will attempt to be equally thoughtful in answering your questions.

    First, you quote Pascal which indicates a more than passing interest in philosophy.
    Me. I’m steeped in history and social science. My concepts are empirical. Which is to say, they are generalizations or characterization of experienced or recorded factual social phenomena.

    Even my non-material concepts are empirical. Ideology for example is a non-material concept; but it denotes the aggregated of ideas ‘expressed’ in conversations, documents, etc. in a social group.

    You ask: “why did you say that “those sub-group identities are superseded by the national ideological identity?”

    Up through the 1950s northeastern cities were aggregations of what one anthropologist called “unban villages”. The classic example of an urban village is the “Little Italy” made famous in the various mafia movies like the Godfather.

    For example, in my hometown Rochester, N Y a joke was that there are streets that you needed a passport to cross. Moving though the city one went from the Italian villages, to the Polish to the German to the Ukrainian etc.

    In each ‘village’ one would hear the respective languages spoken, the types of food sold, the various Religious holidays celebrated, etc. In short the circa 1900 European immigrants recreated their European national culture in their ‘urban villages’.

    However, when Pearl Harbor was attacked in 1941, the young men from these villages (Italian, Poles, Irish, etc.) filed down to the recruitment offices to join the military to go fight for “THEIR COUNTRY”.

    This is an example of what I mean by:
    “sub-group identities are superseded by the national ideological identity?”
    The urban village sub-groups identities were superseded by the nation ideological identity.
    ……

    You ask: “Can a person only have one ideology at a time, or can my ideologies overlap, harmonize, or diffract within me …?

    The above example indicates Yes. I can have an identity as an Italian and as an American and as Catholic and as a Socialist. All of these ideological identities bring me into social groups and I engage in respective group behavior.

    But, I pay my taxes to the Federal Government, I was drafted in to the U S Army, I obey Federal Laws, I stand for the national anthem at the ball park, etc. In short, I’m an American.

    What does it mean to be an American? That changes over time. Indeed, in my life time such a change in national ideology in the span of a few decades in the absence of violent revolutionary change a la the French or Russian revolutions is I should think unprecedented.

    Consider the American represented in Norman Rockwell paintings or Frank Sinatra’s WW II song ‘What’s American To Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWxW2Z5znWQ)

    Clearly those artistic representations no longer capture the prevailing Amerian ideology today.

    All of which brings me back full circle: What causes changes in ideology? And again I say the dominate minority in the group from family to Empire. Eric Striker in his UNZ column just these past few days has referred two books respectively on Jewish domination in literary awards and in the transgender movement.

    Jews are a (THE) dominate (economic /political) group in America (Western Civilization) and accordingly, they have been (are) the dominating , in Frank Sinatra’s words, “What American is to Me” … i.e. the prevailing ideology.

    [MORE]

    You ask: “doesn’t the entire narrative of COVID19 demonstrate that lower levels also dominate the higher levels?”

    This is an empirical question that can only be answered by studying history and social science. My reading of those disciplines is the answer is no.

    But, here you move into Pascal and his un-empirical metaphorical language. I cannot respond to Pascal’s ‘poetic philosophy’. The only philosopher that made any sense to me was one whose name I can’t remember who said something like: “If you can’t count (measure) it, you can’t talk about it”

    You say: I guess, is that there is no real mechanism for how “revolutionary change” occurs except in your claim that it’s “a change in the dominant class”

    Again, I say this is an empirical issue that can only be resolved by a study of the histories of societies that have changed and find the correlates of the changes. In my limited reading I ‘see’ (in the sense that one ‘sees’ in history through documents) that changes in the dominated classes correlates with changes in technology and prevailing ideology (political, economic, religious, etc. ideas). I may be wrong, but that can be demonstrated empirically through careful reading of history.

    Much of what you write towards the end seems to me to philosophical, psychological and religious. Those disciplines are certainly relevant to the study of social change. However, I’m not versed and cannot comment meaningfully.

    I would end by just noting that the ideological change in American in the post WW II period is perfectly associated with the technological change in communication devices and computers.

    That technological change began in 1947 with the invention of the transistor. The most advanced communication and computer technology today is a direct evolutionary descendent of that invention.

    And, perfectly correlated with that technological evolution is the evolution of US economic system from manufacturing to finance and in turn the evolution of the dominated class from manufacturers like Henry Ford to financiers like Michael Bloomberg, and in turn the whole of the ideology of US moral and aesthetic values.

    In the 1950s there was a popular saying: “What’s good for General Motors is good for America”. Detroit was the symbolic geographic center of the US.

    Today the idea that Banks are to big to fail because it will lead to failure of the American economy. Wall Street has replace Detroit as the symbolic geographic center of the US.

    One final example, in 1947 when the transistor was invented the Catholic Church’s theology, moral teaching, ritual and architecture had remained essentially unchanged for about 1500 years (literally). Less then 20 years after the transistors debut every aspect of the Church changed.

    And the whole of the US political economy and value system has changed similarly.

    Hope this clarifies my thinking for you.

    Best

    • Thanks: Polemos
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