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From the date of the initial outbreak in Wuhan I watched carefully on a daily basis the dispersion and progression of the coronavirus in China and then abroad, collecting as much data as were available on each location. By late May of 2020, China had been infection-free for many weeks, the concern turning to the identification and quarantine of imported cases. At the same time, the US became once again ‘the leader of the world’, this time in virus infections and deaths, producing 20,000 to 30,000 new cases and around 1,000 deaths per day. At the time, American hostility toward China’s success in stopping the virus was palpable, with many nasty media articles and White House accusations about China’s false statistics and blaming China for “spreading the virus” to the US. CNN stated, “Chinese state media has repeatedly touted China’s effective measures in containing the virus as the number of infections and deaths surged abroad, contrasting its success with the failures of Western governments, especially the United States.”[1]https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/asia/coronavirus-...x.html Clearly there was much surprise and bitterness at China’s success and America’s failure, this coated in a sticky layer of resentment based partly on a justified suspicion that the Chinese were not overly distressed at the Americans enjoying the fruits of their own labor.

But even then I had a sense of an apparition, a version of Dickens’ ‘ghost of coronavirus past’, accompanied by an uncomfortable feeling the Americans were sufficiently bitter (and vicious) to deny the Chinese their apparently easy victory. My fear was that the Americans would try to reseed China as they did Russia, and it would seem my fears were not unjustified. The new virus that broke out at the Xinfadi market in Beijing was a different strain than any previously existing in China, one that existed only in the US and Europe and could only have been brought in from the outside. And once again at a seafood market with no identifiable patient zero, no clear epidemiology (source and distribution) of a virus that did not exist in China. It almost had to be deliberately seeded, the odds against being infinitesimally small.

In terms of what I am calling COVID-20 (to differentiate it from the initial outbreak), China may have been fortunate to detect and corral this new pathogen before it could spread. The outbreak did expand to three other provinces but in single digits and the medical authorities have taken extreme action to prevent further spread since this variety – which again did not exist in China and had to be seeded from another country, appears to be much more contagious than the original COVID-19.[2]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191598.shtml In response, Beijing has locked down everything and sent a group of experts to guide the fight against this new potential epidemic, so far with good success. Nucleic acid testing has been initiated on a massive scale, already many millions of people tested, and all those in contact with the Xinfadi market being in quarantine. Many residential compounds in the city strictly prohibit anyone from entering or leaving, with residents having their temperatures checked and reported on a daily basis, and their food and daily necessities delivered.[3]https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/asia/coronavirus-beij...x.html

Before this new outbreak, Beijing had been virus-free for nearly 60 days, meaning there were no local viruses and that this new pathogen was definitely an import (or an American export). On June 19, China’s CDC experts, after intensive investigations of the Xinfadi market, announced what they termed “a groundbreaking virus tracing discovery”, which was that the strain of the new virus in Beijing was the same as that in much of Europe – but much older than those in Europe, and “had been around for quite some time” – and that can mean only that it came from the US because that was the source of all the original varieties many months ago.[4]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192146.shtml

The investigators said they obtained so many positive samples that the entire market was “severely contaminated by the virus”, but also that no one should form the conclusion that the market was the origin merely because the outbreak took place there. More importantly, they also said “Beijing’s outbreak gives us the opportunity to re-examine our previous speculation that the virus originated from wildlife”, because unlike Wuhan, “the possibility of wildlife causing Beijing’s latest outbreak is slim.” Their conclusion was that “an infected individual or object contaminated with the virus entered the wet market, and the market only gave it an environment to multiply”.[3]https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/asia/coronavirus-beij...x.html The authorities have already produced the genome sequence and are now establishing when and how the virus was likely imported into China, and how long was the transmission chain. There is no question this pathogen was brought into China “by people”, the question being the identity of those people and their purpose.[5]http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202006/15/WS5ee6b33d...9.html And, what better way to “teach those smug Chinese a lesson” and attempt to derail China’s rapid economic recovery.

Russia Re-seeded

There is something equally strange about the virus in Russia. For a long time, Russia had only a few infections, rising steadily by only five or ten per day, then suddenly it exploded, rising by 5,000, then 10,000 and 20,000 per day. Virus outbreaks don’t normally manifest that way. The normal process upon an outbreak is a rapid acceleration in the number of infections until it peaks, as happened with all other countries. But with Russia, the infections were minor for a long time, steady at very low numbers, with all the indications of an unsuccessful epidemic, and the Russian government took strict measures to control the spread. The US government was clearly resentful at the failure of the virus to devastate Russia and the US media bemoaned the fact that Russia’s death rate was so low. I would be very interested to see the genome sequences from the first infections in January and February, and for those happening in April and May. I haven’t any definitive proof, but I am certain Russia, as China, was seeded again with another variety for a second attempt.

Virus Distribution

But to return to our main point, it isn’t necessary for us to determine the physical origin of the virus. We know the virus originated in bats; that much is confirmed, but the more important issue is the epidemiology, particularly the incidence and distribution. First of all, for China and most other nations originally infected, there were so many multiple and simultaneous sources that locating a patient zero was a hopeless task. Virus outbreaks, left to their own natural devices, do not behave in this fashion, but begin with one person in a tightly localised situation and provably spreading from that point. Equally distressing is that we have the truly unprecedented “two waves” of worldwide infections. For this, let’s review my observations from an earlier article[6]COVID-19 – Two Major ‘Waves’ of Global Infection; https://www.moonofshanghai.com/2020/05/covid-19-two-...l.html and take a quick look at those two waves of infections that circled the globe.

The First Wave simultaneously infected 25 nations within a few days centered on January 25. One month later, the Second Wave simultaneously infected 85 nations within a few days centered on February 25. A natural virus hasn’t the ability to simultaneously (within three days) infect 85 different countries on all continents of the world. More peculiar is that these countries were not all infected with the same variety of the virus, and that most reported simultaneous outbreaks in multiple locations. Considering the above information in light of the basics of virus transmission, the only theory that fits all the known facts is that these waves resulted from many people leaving Fort Detrick on the same day carrying a pail of different live viruses, because those multiple varieties at the time existed only in the US. It could not possibly have resulted from air travel because that timing would have been scattered. When 85 countries experience a virus outbreak on virtually the same day, this can happen only with human assistance. The Americans have steadfastly refused to address this point.

Experts on biological weapons are in unanimous agreement that eruptions in a human population of a new and unusual pathogen in multiple locations simultaneously, with no clear idea of source and cases with no proven links, is virtually prima facie evidence of a pathogen deliberately released, since natural outbreaks can almost always be resolved to one location and one patient zero. But with COVID-19 (or COVID-20), not one country out of 200 has been able to do this.

It should be firmly noted that this new infection in Beijing is not a “second wave” as termed by the Western media. This is an entirely new and different infection by a new virus and totally unrelated to anything prior, a strain of a new and different virus that was deliberately carried to Beijing and flooded in the Xinfadi Market. This infection is not related to COVID-19 but is the seeding of yet another biological pathogen in China, making that now seven different biological attacks on China in two years. And China has suffered others similar. One of the most notable was the H1N1 virus that caused the 1918 flu pandemic – and which was extinct for decades – but which suddenly appeared in 1977 in both China and Russia causing a global pandemic, prompting immediate claims by the Americans that it “escaped from a Chinese lab”. But the only sensible explanation is that the H1N1 virus ‘escaped’ from the Americans because there were persistent reports that the US military had found or saved samples of the original ‘Spanish Flu’ virus and were attempting to re-activate it. There was never a shred of evidence that either China or Russia had anything to do with this, and both were taken entirely by surprise.

It is my view that the world needs to stop pretending that COVID-19 was an accident of nature. Consider China’s recent experience. In addition to SARS – which was indisputably man-made, China has suffered repeated viral pandemics in the past two years. February 15, 2018: H7N4 bird flu. June, 2018: H7N9 bird flu. August, 2018: outbreak of African swine flu. May 24, 2019: massive infestation of armyworms. December, 2019: COVID-19. January, 2020: A “highly pathogenic” strain of bird flu. June, 2020: China is hit with COVID-20. Are we to tell ourselves it was merely a run of bad luck that China was the only nation in the world to be hit repeatedly with so many different biological pathogens in such a short time? And merely more ‘bad luck’ that China became the only country in the world that was domestically virus-free and was suddenly hit again with a foreign strain in another wet market? This assumption is too ridiculous to bother refuting.

It is unfortunate that so much of our information today comes to us in a passive receptance from the mass media because one result is the loss of our ability to examine information critically and use our minds to assess the presentation. As an example, it was very clever for the Americans to use a wet market as a distribution point for a virus and for the media to give this point massive air time, because we instinctively associate such markets with at least a possibility of germs and bacteria and thus passively accept the claims as true without the necessary evidence and thus avoid using our brains as intended. Our assessment of wet markets as unsanitary may be correct, but common germs and bacteria are a very different thing from a coronavirus that makes its home in bats and has no business being in a vegetable market. It isn’t important for our purposes to decide if COVID-19 was created in a lab; the important point is that a coronavirus has no means of transportation from bat caves in Sichuan to a market in Wuhan, nor the ability to mutate itself in such a way as to be energetically contagious to humans, and much less the conscious intelligence to choose China’s largest passenger transportation hub as the distribution point and the Eve of the Chinese New Year as the best time to attack. For these, the coronavirus required a helping ‘black hand’.

The Noose Tightens on the US

There is almost daily an increase in the volume of evidence that COVID-19 was circulating in the US far earlier than admitted, and serving as incriminating proof that the CDC’s deliberate (and threatening) forbidding of testing was to bury this evidence. The most recent example is headlines in the US media on June 21, 2020, stating, “Over 40 mysterious respiratory deaths in California could dramatically rewrite narrative of COVID-19” in the US.[7]https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192389.shtml The LA Times reported on “a cluster of mysterious respiratory deaths” beginning in December of 2019. The local news website www.bakersfield.com stated this meant that COVID-19 was circulating in California “way earlier than we knew”. And let’s not forget too quickly that Japanese tourists were infected in Hawaii in September of 2019.

And on June 20, 2020, the Italian National Institute of Health (ISS) revealed that they had discovered that COVID-19 was present in water samples dating back to mid-December of 2019. The results were confirmed by two separate labs that used two entirely different testing methods, and also showed that environmental wastewater from Milan, Turin and Bologna returned positive traces of the virus dating back to December if not earlier. Apparently, the RNA from COVID-19 does not readily dissolve or disintegrate in water and polymerase chain reaction testing allows scientists to identify the RNA after many months.[8]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronaviru...23Q1J9[9]https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/ita...5a35e3

And it wasn’t only Italy. Dutch researchers discovered COVID-19 RNA in a wastewater plant in the Utrecht, Netherlands, city of Amersfoort. French scientists detected “high concentrations” of COVID-19 RNA in samples of sewage water from greater Paris that were obtained before Paris first recorded any deaths. Sputnik News reported in May that a Paris hospital confirmed it had treated Amirouche Hammar, the country’s first COVID-19 patient, on December 27, 2019 – one month before France’s first announcement of infections and four days before the WHO China bureau was informed of a “pneumonia of unknown etiology” on December 31.[10]https://sputniknews.com/europe/202006191079667103-sc...break/

The Irish Mirror reported on June 19 that “many countries are beginning to use wastewater sampling to track the spread of the disease”, scientists claiming these detections were “consistent with evidence emerging in other countries” that COVID-19 was circulating around the world long before China reported its first cases, all of which would of necessity have had to have originated in the US and transported around the world. It is now beginning to appear that many countries were seeded at approximately the same time, perhaps in their water distribution systems. Following these discoveries, the ISS told Reuters it intends to launch a new study of the wastewater of Italian tourist resorts. I suspect other nations will follow.

And it would seem the NYT, WSJ, WP, CNN, ABC, NBC, National Post, Globe & Mail, have no knowledge of this. The Chinese and Europeans know, but the Americans and Canadians don’t know because the owners of their major newspapers and TV networks don’t want them to know.

A Brief Update

If you look at the graph (courtesy of CNN), you can see the European infection pattern (in pink) and the American (in green). The Europeans followed China’s protocols in varying degrees, and thus with varying degrees of success. Europe’s infections peaked at around 30,000 per day then descended to around 2,000 near the end of June, while the Americans, led by a man who is living proof that democracy is the worst possible form of government, saw their infections peak at the same level, slightly decrease, then revert to 30,000 infections and around 1,000 deaths per day where they will now remain until the virus surges through the entire population. Twenty-six states are already experiencing dramatic spikes reaching new records each day, so Trump ordered the CDC to “stop testing” because it makes him look bad.

The next graphic is a list of the top ten nations for COVID-19 infections. Missing from this picture is a comparison I want to make about leadership and competence, to say nothing of intelligence. Shanghai is a city only two hours from Wuhan and, when the infections exploded, had no warning and almost no time to prepare, but acted so quickly and decisively that the city had only 26 infections and 7 deaths. Missing from the graphic is Canada, with a population very similar to Shanghai, and who, with months to plan and prepare, had 101,000 infections and 8,400 deaths. Canada’s Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau is also living proof of democracy’s vast failings.

The Americans elected a pathetic buffoon who lives in outer space, while the Canadians elected a bullied child so painfully unintelligent and indecisive his wife would have to tell him to call the fire department if his house were burning down. I would include here the Brazilians who, with excessive assistance from the Americans, elected an arrogant sociopath who said famously, “It’s not my fault. What do you want me to do about it?”

In all three countries the leaderless pandemic results are the same, with infections and deaths likely increasing until at least the end of the year. China, with a population of more than 1.4 billion people, had about 80,000 infections and little more than 4,000 deaths, and stopped the virus cold in about three months. But according to the NYT, WSJ, WP, and Canada’s terminally-obnoxious National Post, the “free-market capitalist” countries are God’s first choice while “socialist authoritarian” China should incur yet more sanctions for all its mistakes.

Larry Romanoff is a retired management consultant and businessman. He has held senior executive positions in international consulting firms, and owned an international import-export business. He has been a visiting professor at Shanghai’s Fudan University, presenting case studies in international affairs to senior EMBA classes. Mr. Romanoff lives in Shanghai and is currently writing a series of ten books generally related to China and the West. He can be contacted at: [email protected] He is a frequent contributor to Global Research.

Notes:

[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/asia/coronavirus-beijing-outbreak-intl-hnk/index.html

[2] https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191598.shtml

[3] https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/asia/coronavirus-beijing-outbreak-intl-hnk/index.html

[4] https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192146.shtml

[5] http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202006/15/WS5ee6b33da310834817252ec9.html

[6] COVID-19 – Two Major ‘Waves’ of Global Infection; https://www.moonofshanghai.com/2020/05/covid-19-two-major-waves-of-global.html

[7] https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192389.shtml

[8] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-sewage-idUSKBN23Q1J9

[9] https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/italy-sewage-study-suggests-covid19-was-there-in-december-2019/news-story/2fd865f7b12a33698f3e9ab2f15a35e3

[10] https://sputniknews.com/europe/202006191079667103-scientists-find-traces-of-sars-cov-2-in-italian-wastewater-predating-2019-wuhan-outbreak/

 
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  1. Larry,

    All your links lead to Yandex.com mail, not to the sites indicated

  2. What the hell is this? It’s almost like CCP is working with Democrats to unseat Trump with new hysteria about Covid 20, 21, etc.

    When/if Trump loses, it will be Covid-what?

    • Replies: @Quinsat
    , @Wally
  3. Cat says:

    Anyone who writes, “We know the virus originated in bats; that much is confirmed” is not someone I’m going to pay much further attention to.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @sally
  4. Godfree, that is really strange. On my computer, only the link for (7) has a Yandex address. No idea how that would happen, but if you copy the words in the link (not the shortcut) the link does work.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  5. Larry are you telling us goyium this out the goodness of your black little heart?
    How unchacteristic for a member of Shanghi’s Jewish elite.

    • Troll: FB, Alfred, Herald
    • Replies: @denk
    , @Jake
  6. Anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    This flu like outbreak in July ’19 in VA that killed two and sent 18 to the hospital in a nursing home in Springfield, VA, should be fully investigate, it could explain the origin of the virus:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

    Springfield, VA, where this nursing home was located, is about an hour south east of Ft. Detrick, the bioweapons lab that was shut down by CDC at around the same time after it failed a safety inspection in June, 2019.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  7. To think the evil geniuses that would create such nasty pathogens would not have a whole panoply of similar bugs to release would seem naive. I suspect the future strains will only become more virulent, thus insuring a very complacent and fearful populace for unlimited vaccinating, microchipping and contact tracing, all to the PTB’s delight and profits. Not to mention the ease with which the American populace will have their anger, fears and frustrations twisted into hatred for all things Chinese. How convenient!

    What is currently amusing is watching how deftly the Chinese government is dealing with these assaults, both biological and economic, and how impotent and visibly frustrated the US powerbrokers are with the efficiency and effectiveness of the Chinese responses.

    If the Chinese continue to effectively fend off the future attacks, whether they be biological or financial/trade, one can expect that these same evil geniuses, having been frustrated over and over, will only continue their escalations. Expect the anti-China rhetoric from the West’s political puppets and the MSM to reach fever pitch just before things turn ‘hot’ in the new cold war against Chinese ascendancy. Whether it will eventually (or inevitably) go nuclear is the real $64,000 question that leaves many of us concerned observers awake at night………..

  8. Rahan says:

    So what we have here, if we accept the basic discourse of this highly interesting article, is therefore likely the following:

    China got hit by various “flu weapons” and “livestock diseases” over the last twenty years, to keep the “dirty commies” from “getting too uppity”, but, not counting SARS, only became capable of keeping an accurate tally of the different jabs and pokes over the last five years.

    At some point, the Chinese government decided that enough is enough. Their think-tanks recommended the following strategy as the only feasible one: the next time they get seeded, the instantly pounce on the new pathogen, and blow it out of all proportion, causing a) the whole world to panic, and b) the whole world to start paying attention to the issue of new and old pathogens floating around.

    In this sense, the “it’s just the flu bro” people are correct, meaning that this is not really some apocalyptic plague that justifies shutting down the world. But on the other hand, it was used by Beijing as an example to point out that this crap is happening, and that they know it’s happening, and that this game can’t be played like this anymore.

    In effect they “pulled a Trump”. Through their bombastic overreaction, they forced the whole world to notice and discuss the issue they wanted noticed and discussed.

    So from now on, the whole world—except the Anglospherical powers completely taken over by the GloboHomo alliance of corporations, deep state, and baizuo (and where the heritage white demographic replacement has gone farthest)—will also be super careful about these things, and evidence will begin to accumulate through this “forced crowd-sourcing”.

    • Replies: @BJ2020
  9. refl says:

    authorities have taken extreme action to prevent further spread since this variety – which again did not exist in China and had to be seeded from another country, appears to be much more contagious than the original COVID-19.[2] In response
    (…)
    Many residential compounds in the city strictly prohibit anyone from entering or leaving, with residents having their temperatures checked and reported on a daily basis, and their food and daily necessities delivered.[3]

    So this is how the new shamdemic of COVID-20 will cement and perfect the destruction of freedom across the world?
    We will have discussion on fictious body counts and false statistics here at UR for ever more with COVID-20, -21, -22 and so on?

    This pattern makes sense, because the victory over the populace who have given up their freedom to lead anything that can be called a life worth living is just to great to be allowed to be ephimeral.
    The total destruction of freedom only makes sense, if there is a follow up until all the deluded hoaxers who believe that their is a life beyond feeling sick kill themselves. Then it will be lockdowns and quarantines for ever more and families will have online celebrations when the newborns will get their masks sealed on their seventh day on earth, before they are handed over to the overlords.

    As for this authorities conclusions: It should be known by now that when you interpret bogus data, above all when you do so with bad intentions, you will find any conclusions that suite your purpose. Of course, COVID-19 has been found in older samples, as by now the testing has been so well established that they can find it anywhere. Next, they will find it in eghiptian mumies.
    This author is a management consultant. He has done missinterpreting statistics for a living and should know how to reasonably sell bad advice.

    • Agree: Uomiem
    • Replies: @Alden
  10. Quinsat says:
    @Priss Factor

    Covid’s here to stay – irrespective of the fact that it has never and will never satisfy Koch’s Postulates.

    Why? Two reasons. First, because it has proved itself to be a highly effective means of controlling first world populations. Second, because now that it’s been rolled out, it’ll be impossible to roll it back without waking up the normies. You don’t turn off the gas before the frog’s been boiled.

    Ditto the assault on ‘white privilege’. Like Covid, it’s only going to get worse – not better.

    Plan accordingly, friends.

  11. mike99588 says:

    I”m skeptical of anything manufactured in mainland China and not carefully quality checked by competent, independent parties. Especially “The Truth”, CCP claims generally, and the virus free claims.

    This article sounds like 50 cent army and 1000 Talents combined into New Truth.
    Evolution is a bitch.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Herald
  12. Alfred says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Are you in Russia?

    I am in Kiev and I have no such problem. All links, including 7, are correct.

  13. Ten citations, and three are from “The Global Times”, one from “China Daily”, and one is an article penned by the author himself. Impressive scholarship, Mr Romanoff, very impressive scholarship.

    • Replies: @WHAT
    , @James from Oz
  14. The 5-Eyes governments all need to be told that the USA attacked them, launched bio-warfare against them, is their real enemy.

    • Agree: skrik
    • Disagree: Sam J.
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  15. Virus outbreaks don’t normally manifest that way. The normal process upon an outbreak is a rapid acceleration in the number of infections until it peaks

    Occams Razor. It’s a hoax or else the virus is violating the laws of Nature.

  16. @Godfree Roberts

    The links in the “Notes:” are working correctly on my (MacBook) Chrome browser

  17. China, with a population of more than 1.4 billion people, had about 80,000 infections and little more than 4,000 deaths, and stopped the virus cold in about three months.

    Whew, thank heavens they didn’t lose any more of their 1,400,000,000. They can hardly afford any loss whatever.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @trickster
  18. Emily says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I have tried some and found them functioning.
    Anyone else?.
    They all went straight in.

  19. I would include here the Brazilians who, with excessive assistance from the Americans, elected an arrogant sociopath who said famously, “It’s not my fault. What do you want me to do about it?”

    In Brazil, the Supreme Court has decided that governors don’t have to obey the federal government on local health policies. So, it really makes no difference whether the President is Mother Theresa or Jason Voorhees. It’s true that Bolsonaro tries once in a while to enact some federal regulations, but he seems to fail every time. It’s odd that you don’t know that fact, seeing as in the U.S. I hear things are quite similar. As for Brazilian governors, they oddly don’t get the same international flak as Bolsonaro does, despite many of them being suspected of using the pandemic as an opportunity for stealing.

    This kind of inexactitude immediately throws the rest of the article under heavy suspicion. When people start spewing words like ‘sociopath’, it is clear to me that they have an agenda.

  20. It is unfortunate that so much of our information today comes to us in a passive receptance from the mass media because one result is the loss of our ability to examine information critically and use our minds to assess the presentation. As an example, it was very clever for the Americans to use a wet market as a distribution point for a virus and for the media to give this point massive air time, because we instinctively associate such markets with at least a possibility of germs and bacteria and thus passively accept the claims as true without the necessary evidence and thus avoid using our brains as intended.

    Rewrite: “it is unfortunate that alternative media distill their take on the news, based on data fed into the public domain. As much as MSM do. Garbage in, garbage out. Sorting garbage, no avail. This article is just another layer of meaningless deft. If any statement here is true, it would be by accident.

    In that, of course, it follows the enforcing of the media rule: keep a grasp on the surplus population by manipulating the frequency and number of tainted information. All data in the public domain are probably useless by now. All data on Covid are willfully manipulated. The author of course knows this, and his dump is intentional. The immediate reason, middle class making a living, book pushing, bread-writing, self-promotion, retirement gig, no more. Summer months in the media year, another step-in. Jewish by hazard?

  21. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    The author of this piece is obviously “off his chops”.

  22. WHAT says:
    @Bombercommand

    Wow oh wow, chinese media is reporting on chinese matters, how dare they! I totally can`t even.

  23. @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks, Larry. All’s well now.

  24. @mike99588

    You’re skeptical of anything manufactured in mainland China and not carefully quality checked by competent, independent parties?

    Why? China is the world leader in most sciences and technologies, after all.

  25. Ed P says:

    Allegations, made without evidence, then used later in the same article as if they are factual, is a known technique for pushing unsupported points and conclusions.
    There might be some facts hidden in the rant, but probably not trustworthy ones.

    • Agree: SteveK9
    • Replies: @Biff
  26. Z-man says:

    Seek help.
    However what you have can’t really be fixed.
    Oh instead of visiting why don’t you make China your permanent home.

  27. skrik says:
    @Cat

    If you wish to contest

    We know the virus originated in bats; that much is confirmed

    then it’d only be fair for you to inform us of your alternate explanation, giving convincing proof [assuming you’d have some?]

    FYI there exists a bat-coronavirus genetic sequence RaTG13 which agrees with 96.2% of Covid-19, and an even closer match in RmYN02 at 93.3% agreement. Thesis: That someone took RaTG13 [see 1st and 3rd parts in image below; the RaTG13 spike is so far a ‘best fit’] and force-evolved it by infecting cultures of human cells in an evolution-enabling environment, collecting any ‘survivors’ then repeating this process [a possible proof being the Covid-19 attack disabling victims’ sense of smell, indicating ‘force-evolving’ in cultures of human nerve cells]. In addition, I’ve seen suggested, that infecting animals with some human-similar traits [here, ferrets with ACE2, say] could have evolved the virus to attack via ACE2 in humans. Then, there’s the *unique* inclusion of RPPA in the Covid-19 spike, both enabling infection and that with greatly enhanced pathogenicity [compared to SARS-1, say]. rgdsPS An interesting extension to some ideas in the article, is that since the virus infections have gone global, IF it was human-made [my best tip] THEN whoever made it [= clearly rogue-state operatives] contributed to killing 100s of 1000s, *including their own people*! brrr

    • Agree: Emily
    • Thanks: Curmudgeon
  28. Avery says:

    {The Americans elected a pathetic buffoon who lives in outer space,}

    He may or may not be a pathetic buffoon*, but he is smart enough to parlay inherited wealth to become a Billionaire, he is POTUS, he lives in the White House or Mar-a-Lago with a model-wife, and will be remembered as such long after you are forgotten.

    Aside from that, who would you have Americans elect? The Hildabeast?
    But it’s not too late: if enough Americans lose their minds and elect The DementiaMan, we will be subjected to the non-buffoon experience of Hildabeast 2.0.

    Biden will be a near complete vegetable in a year or two, and the chosen female radical left, Antifa (sic)** embracing VP will run the show. America as it was founded will be no more.

    _____________________
    * Lookup Scott Adams’ discussions on how Trump manipulates and influences.
    Scott predicted way back that Trump would be POTUS.
    Note: Scott is a trained hypnotist, and recognizes classic ‘tells’ of hypnosis in Trump’s seemingly “buffoonish” behaviour.

    ** Despite their cleverly chosen moniker, these violent thugs are the real Fascists: their behaviour and tactics are an exact copy of Mussolini’s Blackshirts.

    • Agree: Alden
  29. Biff says:
    @Ed P

    There might be some facts hidden in the rant, but probably not trustworthy ones.

    Could you please explain what an untrustworthy fact is?

    • Replies: @trickster
    , @Ed P
  30. Larry Romanoff makes here quite an effort of commie propaganda!
    Why this satanic Jew is so much in love with China and its totalitarian regime? Because the communism in China is since the beginning of the Chinese revolution, with Mao, guided and helped by the satanic Jews – the same ethnic group that made the bolshevic revolution in Russia. Now they work hardly to overthrow the western democratic institutions, and with much focus in the present at the republican president, D. Trump.
    The Covid-19 and now Covid-20 are scams used as psychological warfare. They use this scam as a political tool to destroy the present world order and usher a totalitarian orvelian NWO on the whole planet. We see clearly this evil manifesting overtly, especially in the USA in the later days.
    The lock-down of the population on the whole planet is their work, and shows how well organized they are for the takeover. If we stay idle, we shall passively collaborate with these devils for our demise.
    Soros and his helpers are of the same ilk, of the same team – human devils organizing the enslavement of the whole human race on this planet.
    Do not collaborate, do not stay idle! For the sake of your freedom and human rights, do not fall for the scandemic, and start acting to stop this madness and evil takeover on the planet Earth.
    Be aware that their aim is not only the takeover of this world, but also the culling of the human population – two thirds of the present population must be wiped out by 2030, according the their program “Agenda 2030′ published by ONU. So, you know now!
    All it takes for the victory of the evil, is that good people do nothing! Get up and do something!

    • Replies: @denk
    , @denk
    , @denk
  31. Emily says:

    Interesting about the ‘seeding’ of Russia.
    One look at the map and you couldn’t miss it.
    I rather think I commented on here to that effect at the time.
    For the virus to have broken out right across the vast country – almost at the same time – and more odd in places where there would have been little movement or traffic.
    I have no doubt that the USA is behind the lot – including the numerous other viral attacks on China.
    Interestingly ZH – now under attack – seems to have carried out a purge on its commenters over this.
    The ones who questioned whether China WAS to blame and mentioned Gates, Fauci, Fort Detrick and its research, pathogenic waste escaping and the US funding of Wuhan.
    Old faces seem gone – and if memory serves me – some faces who questioned the origins of Covid 19.
    I use the word ‘purge’ – the word used by someone commenting on there recently.
    I know one person under lock out – and not a few more seem missing.

    • Replies: @Blackjack
  32. Those poor innocent Chinese. Thankfully the buffoon president’s reseeding program will not interfere with China’s 10 day dog meat festival. Guess it will then be back to exotic and endanger animal meat. I’ve bought enough stuff made in China to realize they are fully capable of haphazard viral handling, and subsequent releasing and reinfecting all on their own. Also plan on sticking with pork, beef, and chicken for dinner.

    Is it ” racist” to despise dog eating? Probably as a cat lover.

  33. trickster says:
    @Marshall Lentini

    Marshall, I got out my $1.00 calculator (made in China for your information) and divided 4000 by 1.4B. Unfortunately the thing would not give me an answer, all I could see was a decimal point followed by dozens of zeros. Finally, seated at my dining table, I found a 5 off to the far right near to my refrigerator.

    I am presently setting up some algebra to determine if this Covid thing is all a load of shit LOL

    Hopefully, with the new avalanche of graphs from Romanov and Karlin (aka the Russian Mutt and Jeff) I may be able to come up with a formula. I am thinking something like this:

    LR +AK + Cvid19= (10 x BS)

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  34. trickster says:
    @Biff

    An untrustworthy fact is a Chinaman who uses the handle BIFF

    LOL

  35. @Avery

    Antifa are not “Fascists,” who are Nationalists, they are globalist Trotskyites.

    • Agree: Republic, TheTrumanShow
  36. Jafbm says:

    This article has so much bullshit in it It’s hard to know where to start.

  37. Don’t viruses mutate anyway? See science direct.com ~ covid in France in December. Also an acquaintance of mine had a horrible virus in December in England.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  38. trickster says:
    @Avery

    Biden a near veggie in a year or 2 ? He is a vegetable now ! And if Stevie Wonder is right and plants do have a secret life Biden’s IQ must be a few points lower than a lettuce.

    As for his female VP all I can say is ” Um, ah, well you know, blah blah, uh huh, ah yeah, um no…………”. Keep in touch, I may be able to finish the sentence in December.

    Hold on, there is a call coming in from Moscow, it could be Vlad.

    Hello Vlad ? How is it hanging in Moscow? Yes, now you want Trump out ? And Biden and his gopher in ? How come ? Oh I see now. What you say makes perfect sense Comrade Tovarich. Easier to deal with 2 idiots! Da !

  39. jadan says:

    The Chinese analyzed the new outbreak and determined the genome was that of a strain that existed only in the US & Europe, but not heretofore in China. The Chinese have identified many different strains of this virus, seven or more.

    But the author goes on to say later in his diatribe: ” This is an entirely new and different infection by a new virus and totally unrelated to anything prior, a strain of a new and different virus that was deliberately carried to Beijing and flooded in the Xinfadi Market. ”

    This covid19 with its growing number of strains seems likely to have escaped from a lab and it is most probably a product of US ingenuity, with cleverly engineered gain of function, but to leap to the conclusion that the US has deployed this bioweapon against China and Russia goes too far. Why would the US target its own population in the process?

    If, as Ron Unz speculates, this virus is a botched attack on China and other enemies by stupid people in a stupid administration that has had unanticipated blowback hitting the US, then these same stupid perps would not launch another such aggression!

    This notion of a secret biological aggression does not hold water, but the Chinese probably appreciate Larry Romanoff’s efforts.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @dogbumbreath
  40. denk says:
    @Nikola Zrinski

    The author makes solid sense in his CV19/20 analysis.

    Spare me this Jew bullcraps,

    TAM
    Tibet
    Xinjiang
    HK
    FLG’
    SCS
    ECS
    TW
    CV19/20

    and…..currently going hot,
    fukus proxy war in Ladakh.

    All reeks of [[[6liars]]], nuthin to do with da Joo.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  41. mike99588 says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Where have you been? The examples of massive cheating and common reckless are decades long. The melamine-milk scandals and falling down buildings were not merely “one-off” but a commonplace for the Chinese themselves.

    I myself have examples of deal-breaking cheating that cost them bigger opportunities, and shake my head. Yes, they can do world class, sometimes.

    We will probably never know how much has been copied. It’s been so pervasive at all scales.

    With borg like eavesdropping and acquisition systems gobbling everything up, 4x our population, with our declining high quality population, we may yet see how much they can or can’t innovate.

    They have a lot of stripped assets and resources now to command impoverished Americas’ hopes and attention, against prior experiences.

  42. @Godfree Roberts

    Even Chinese are skeptical of anything “Made In China”. Last year, in a Canadian Tire store I saw a Chinese couple. Hubby had selected an item for possible purchase. His wife tore into him, speaking rapidly and scornfully in Chinese. I do not understand Chinese, but didn’t need to, as she repeatedly dropped in the English phrase “Made In China”, in a sarcastic tone of voice. Hubby put the item back on the shelf and they walked away. China is a deeply cracked culture. My friend Meng(female), who was born in China and married to a Chinese guy, put it to me bluntly: “In China, 90% of marriages are without love”.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
    , @Alden
  43. denk says:
    @yuribezmenoff

    they work hardly to overthrow the western democratic institutions,

    Cough cough cough cough….

    The lock-down of the population on the whole planet is their work,

    Never heard of Rockefeller’s Lockstep 2010 ?

    Soros and his helpers are of the same ilk, of the same team –
    Be aware that their aim is not only the takeover of this world, but also the culling of the human population
    All it takes for the victory of the evil, is that good people do nothing! Get up and do something!

    NEVEr heard of BIll depopulation Gates, his global vaccine proj and
    ID2020 , MARK OF BEAST.

    Clintons and their HR6666 ?

    CDC
    NIH
    Big Pharma,
    CIA
    fort Detrick and its 400 branches
    all over the world…
    ??????

  44. SteveK9 says:

    Here’s a novel solution … do nothing. It works for Belarus. Some 80-year-olds die and society goes on as usual … problem solved. Spoken by someone getting closer to 80.

    • Replies: @Republic
  45. fred777 says:

    Larry is just toeing the company line so he can maintain that professorship at Fudan. Making bank selling out the west which he despises is just the cherry on top.

  46. Agent76 says:

    Jun 22, 2020 CELEBRATED SCIENTIST: ‘80% NOT SUSCEPTIBLE TO COVID”

    Named the “most influential” brain scientist of our time, Dr. Karl Friston, made waves when he published his study mapping the real susceptibility of contracting Coronavirus. His results are staggering and challenge the rationale for a lockdown like no other.

    Jun 15, 2020 The Collapse of the COVID-1984 Narrative

    Now that the major institutions pushing the COVID panic are now admitting that the virus is not an existential threat and the lockdowns were not necessary, what does this mean for the future of the COVID-1984 police state and the ushering in of the new “biosecurity” paradigm?

    • Agree: Emily
    • Thanks: Herald
  47. Emslander says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    In any complex, highly planned operation such as you describe, where motives of such depth and perception are necessary, there are going to have to be real persons with real names. You can’t go on saying that “evil geniuses” at Fort Deitrich or wherever engineered and executed so deftly these multilayered “seedings” without getting orders or authorization from someone we all know. Is it Trump, Pompeo, Hilary, Biden, Obama or Amy Semple McPherson?

    It’s like the Germans and the Holocaust. You’d have to have so many evil players with superhuman capacity to hold onto their secret motives and actions that we still can’t pin them down. I don’t think there are so many such people in our stupid federal government. Even our brave and feared John Bolton, when he reveals himself, is just an oversensitive weeny.

    This article suffers from many fundamental misunderstandings of government weenies. Those people in Northern Virginia who are “seeding” foreign nations with new strains of virus every sixty days on some diabolically precise motivational dynamic live in boring suburbs and fix awful chicken on their barbecues. They drink watery beer and watch “Wheel of Fortune”. Give me a break!

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
    , @FB
    , @Herald
  48. @Bombercommand

    If they are Chinese travellers exploring Canada and Canadian culture it would be silly of them to buy something made in China as though it was Canadian. Your reasoning does not hold up.

  49. Ed P says:
    @Biff

    Presently any ‘fact’ coming from the CCP or its mouthpieces.

  50. Covid-19 is the biggest fraud / scam in human history designed to bring in a communist revolution, to see what it will look like, the communist revolutions in Russia and China and Cuba and Cambodia, are just a few examples.

  51. @Emslander

    Hannah Arendt noted the ‘banality of evil’ long ago. It’s pretty common, sad to say.

    The military is filled with ‘ordinary’ people who apparently have no qualms about murdering anyone their ‘superiors’ point to and say, “Kill!” They are just following orders, after all.

    The number of ‘evil players’ is simply staggering, whether we want to admit it or not. And yes, they DO drink watery beer and watch “Wheel of Fortune” and have bar-b-ques. John Wayne Gacy comes to mind immediately. Who knows who our neighbors really are, deep down inside?

    As for naming names, gosh, I seem to have lost my DARPA personnel directory of evil geniuses, and my CIA directory of same as well.

    (But as for who REALLY controls things and gives the orders, I think you may have nailed it with Sister Aimee. And she was HOT in her day, and apparently knew how to have a good time. Hallelujah, brother……..) 😉

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  52. Email address links:

    This is an aside, but I want to ask if anyone has ever experienced this before. Godfree Roberts said that on his computer all the links at the end of this article were not to the actual website reference but to an email account. I checked, and one reference had this defect while the others were okay.

    A friend told me that she’d had this experience once, where she’d posted (on a website) links to several articles, but when she went back to that website to ensure the links were active, when she clicked on them, they didn’t go to the desired website but instead opened her email program on her computer. No password was necessary, and that meant that anyone clicking on those links would have opened her email program (on their computer) and would have access to all her emails without her knowledge.

    I have never seen this before, but it cannot be an accident. No known program has the ability or the inclination to substitute a live website link with the instructions to open someone’s email account without a password. That is damned sophisticated espionage.

    Does anyone know anything?

  53. Peking sewage was carefully collected and refined… and the result is this article.

    Fatten the carbs, Comrades! We are all red Chinese now!

  54. Republic says:
    @SteveK9

    There are reports that the US is currently engaged in a color revolution in Belarus.
    See Moon of Alabama for details

  55. @Anon

    So the “flu like outbreak” skipped Frederick, Maryland, the town Fort Detrick is located in to strike Springfield, Virginia which is very close to Washington DC, as well as not striking other communities between Frederick, Maryland and Springfield, Virginia including Washington DC. I like how your brain works, you should be working at The Global Times…or perhaps you already are….

    • Replies: @Herald
  56. denk says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/from-1945-until-today-20-to-30-million-people-killed-by-the-usa/5660519

    Considering that you’ve been targeting residential area, market places, wedding dinner, mosques, churches, you’ve prolly vaporised 20-30M dogs and cats, those are the lucky ones, many more were left maimed and paralyzed.

  57. Culpepper says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Canadian culture? What Canadian products could they buy?

    • Replies: @Alden
  58. 19.Brás Cubas says:

    “I would include here the Brazilians who, with excessive assistance from the Americans, elected an arrogant sociopath who said famously, “It’s not my fault. What do you want me to do about it?””

    .

    “In Brazil, the Supreme Court has decided that governors don’t have to obey the federal government on local health policies. So, it really makes no difference whether the President is Mother Theresa or Jason Voorhees. It’s true that Bolsonaro tries once in a while to enact some federal regulations, but he seems to fail every time. It’s odd that you don’t know that fact, seeing as in the U.S. I hear things are quite similar. As for Brazilian governors, they oddly don’t get the same international flak as Bolsonaro does, despite many of them being suspected of using the pandemic as an opportunity for stealing.”

    “This kind of inexactitude immediately throws the rest of the article under heavy suspicion. When people start spewing words like ‘sociopath’, it is clear to me that they have an agenda.”

    .

    I don’t normally respond to rubbish, but readers might care to look at this one because it’s a classic of dishonest misrepresentation.

    First, M. Cubas quotes from the article about Bolsonaro being a sociopath. He (or she, or it) then turns the subject to Brazilian governors not having to obey the federal government. Who cares? Where did that come from? Relevant to what?

    Then, the author is chastised for “not knowing this fact”, although we have no idea if he does or doesn’t know, because this was never discussed.

    M. Cubas then converts the author’s supposed ‘lack of knowledge’ of this irrelevant bit of information, to claim that “This kind of inexactitude immediately throws the rest of the article under heavy suspicion.” That is to say that if I fail to mention the process for deep-frying chicken in a conversation about bridge construction, you should assume I know nothing about deep-frying chicken, and furthermore that my failure to mention deep-frying chicken in a conversation about bridge construction should make you suspect everything I say. You got that?

    Then, the word sociopath is ‘spewed’, and anyone who uses that word must have an ‘agenda’.

    But, with Bolsonaro in Brazil, when the man offers no leadership, trivialises a pandemic, takes no action to protect the population, watches more than one million citizens become infected and more than 50,000 of them die, and then says, “It’s not my fault. What do you want me to do about it?”, I think we have a sociopath on our hands.

    And who has the ‘agenda’ in this case, M. Cubas?

  59. Shaman911 says:

    The Chinese medical definition for the word Wuhan is “A Trembling Chill”

    Just another Psyop from the Bildebergers, Tri-Lateral Commission, Jews, and Freemasons.

  60. Herald says:
    @Bombercommand

    We can see how your brain works too. Nothing that challenges the already crumbling official narrative will get past you. How’s the weather in Langley?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  61. Jiminy says:
    @mike99588

    I think you are right when it comes to the quality of goods manufactured in China. So many of their products always seem to be lacking in the final percentage points of quality or design. Sometimes it can be because they are being screwed to the last cent by the middleman though. I know of a guy who was getting air conditioning parts manufactured in China, and if he wasn’t constantly watching them, the basic ingredients would be altered as cost- saving and the parts would fail. Also, I remember in the 90’s when all the big car makers were courting China, the Europeans were expected to divulge their proprietary secrets before they were allowed to set up shop.
    And concerning the virus, if this is the new normal, then we can expect to see China suffering on a constant basis from now on. Clearly the US realises that it’s a successful means of constraining China’s growth. Although somewhat belatedly.
    I still think that the virus had been in the US since at least December 2018/ January 2019. The Maryland Department of Health issued a bulletin that told of 59 cases of e- vaping users suffering from respiratory illness as of 28th of January 2019. I believe this illness only occurred in the US.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  62. utu says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Japanese tourists often buy Japanese products (cameras, electronics) because they are cheaper in the US than in Japan.

  63. Tigertom says: • Website
    @Godfree Roberts

    Yeah the China CCP is the leader in thieving science and technologies from the real leader, The USA. The USA was kind and helped out a third world country and look how they have repaid the USA!!! China CCP has infected the world with virus. lied to and stolen from their benefactors and treated the Chinese people who have to live under such an evil government even worse!!!

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  64. Alfred says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    it would be silly of them to buy something made in China as though it was Canadian

    Do you buy tires when you go on vacation to the other side of the Pacific Ocean? 🙂

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  65. The dirty yellow rats will be done in eventually by their own petard (a people with unclean eating habits is bound to produce terrible results) … no amount of palliative applied by the merchant class of the West would save their desired future home!

    • Replies: @Parbes
  66. Alfred says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Does anyone know anything?

    It opens the email on the user’s computer. That does not mean that a remote person can access it. However, I am sure they have access to all emails of everyone without needing to use your computer at all.

  67. Since Nixon,every single time that you hear anything good from China it is propaganda,even if ti comes from Ron Unz

  68. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    They were not tourists from China. Tourists from China are in downtown Toronto where the action is, not wandering in an obscure, boring neighborhood in North York. They were ChineseCanadian from my neighborhood, which is 50% Chinese/Korean. I can distinguish at a glance a ChineseCanadian from China from a CanadianBornChinese(CBC). I can instantly distinguish a CanadianChinese who has recently arrived, from one that has been here a few years, from one that has been here twenty years. Subtle differences in dress and body language. I like living amongst Chinese, and like living amongst Koreans even more. Civilized, no crime. The Chinese ladies REALLY like Big Bad Ass White Men(but you MUST be a gentleman), and readily engage in playful repartee and light flirtation, anywhere, even in front of their husbands.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @eastkekiisawhiteguy
  69. @Avery

    I’m no genius, but you didn’t have to be to predict Trump’s win. I was telling people to open their eyes. Trump playing packed 15k plus venues twice a day, and Hildebeast playing half empty school gymnasiums maybe once a week. It was clear the poll numbers were being pulled out of some Democrat’s asshole. People showing up to Trump rallies were highly committed and were going to vote. You can’t count on the uncommitted to vote, regardless of their political inclination.
    Trump didn’t win because he was a great candidate. He won because Hildebeast was so awful.

    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Avery
  70. @Herald

    Very fortunately for the enemies of The United States, I do not work for the CIA.

    • Replies: @Herald
  71. skrik says:
    @jadan

    This covid19 with its growing number of strains seems likely to have escaped from a lab and it is most probably a product of US ingenuity, with cleverly engineered gain of function, but to leap to the conclusion that the US has deployed this bioweapon against China and Russia goes too far. Why would the US target its own population in the process?

    To answer the last bit 1st, the rogue-state operators did not expect USA to get bitten, due to a) already having a mild form active there, and b) SARS-CoV-1 was largely contained in Asia (84% of all deaths in Mainland China and Hong Kong).

    Note that Forster found only a few occurrences of the A-strain, closest may have been 50km SE of Wuhan; the overwhelming majority of Chinese infections being B-strain. Now a new-to-China strain has somehow ‘arrived’ in Beijing (termed ‘older’ in headline article). The people who ‘built’ the Covid-19 causing virus = SARS-CoV-2 know exactly what they’ve done, and it is my thesis that when the PRRA insert was recognised in Wuhan, that was the moment the Chinese knew they were under attack, and the rest of the chaos ensued. Any alleging ‘scam’ must explain why Russia and Iran, say, play along. rgds

    • Thanks: anon8383892
    • Replies: @jadan
    , @denk
  72. @Tigertom

    Yeah the China CCP is the leader in thieving science and technologies from the real leader, The USA.

    Would that be the same USA that emptied the contents of the German Patent Office post WWII? You know, Germany, where the most world renown scientists lived.
    Some of what the US did not invent: internal combustion engines (including the Wankel); the automobile; the radio; the airplane; radar; steel mills; and many more, all pre patent theft. Post war, Apple stole MP3 German technology, didn’t invent CT scanners; 3D mass digital scales; mag-lev rail and a host of other things.
    Yes, the US has been a leader in some areas, but not the the leader many. Every discovery is built on the back of something already in existence, and every dog has its day. Today, China is cranking out more new stuff, particularly in the computer related sciences, weekly.
    Where would the US be if China hadn’t invented gun powder? Would there be a 2nd Amendment?

    • Replies: @mike99588
    , @Alden
  73. Mefobills says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Good comment Mustapha.

    The banality of evil is often not known until revisionist historians are able to make connections post facto. In the moment people do not have enough information to make informed decisions.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

    “That’s not the way the world really works anymore.” He continued “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    For example, during the French Revolution most of the participants had no idea of what a Jacobian was.

    Or, during the Bolshevik Revolution, most participants had no idea of who Kuhn and Loeb was.

    Or, before WW1 was the machinations of the Milner Group known?

    Or, before WW2, the machinations of Zionists to get Balfour.

    Or, how Focus group had gotten to Churchill with loans.

    Why the evil? It is usually hidden string pullers who are afraid of losing their vaunted position in ruling hierarchy. They may actually think they are doing good, because doing good is defined as “what is good for me, or my in-group.”

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
  74. Jake says:
    @Nikola Zrinski

    The ADL and SPLC always raise funds by paying people, virtually all of them Jews, to write or orate things like your comment. They then send the ‘anti-Semitic’ outburst to the hordes of gullible Jews and white liberals and ask for money that is required to fight anti-Semitism.

  75. Sam J. says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    If we or the Chinese are going to stop this we’re going to have to get rid of the Jews. The Jews are the only people that profit from this. If this or one of their other viruses kills one of your family then the Jews have directly killed your family.

    A vast amount of the problems we have could be sewed up in very quick order if we got rid of the Jews.

  76. @mike99588

    I’m not keen on a lot of stuff from China, but your comment lacks perspective.
    What happened with the melamine milk scandal that killed 6 and damaged approximately 300k? The perp was tried and executed. What has happened in the US with oxyContin which has caused tens of thousands of deaths and ruined up to a million more? Nothing of consequence. The lead paint in/on Marx toys? China – people responsible committed suicide knowing they would be executed. US – Gee we didn’t know, why would we test products to ensure they were being made properly?

    China today is where Japan was in the late 60s and Korea in the late 80s. Huge capacity not so good quality. Japanese and Korean cars used to be crap, now they are the most reliable. US cars used to be the most reliable, now they are crap. The same goes for electronics and even washing machines today.
    China will only get better, just as the Japanese and Koreans did. The orientals have a better sense of “the whole” of the population benefiting. The US, and most of (((the West))) lost that concept long ago.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  77. Sulu says:

    The level of credibility of authors on this site is in precipitous decline.

    Sulu

    • Agree: mike99588
    • Troll: Godfree Roberts, vot tak
    • Replies: @Sulu
    , @Herald
  78. Sam J. says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    “The 5-Eyes governments all need to be told that the USA attacked them, launched bio-warfare against them, is their real enemy.”

    Fixed it for you.

    The 5-Eyes governments all need to be told that the Jews attacked them, launched bio-warfare against them, is their real enemy.

  79. Sulu says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Many people that voted Trump did not so much vote for Trump but against Hildabeast. Once again we are faced with an election where Trump is the only logical candidate. Not because he is so great but because the alternative is so awful.

    I am of the opinion that if you are White and don’t vote Trump you are a fool.

    Sulu

    • Agree: Wally
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  80. “Tackling Rumors of a Suspicious Origin of nCoV2019” claims covid-19 has been around since ~1980. Amazingly either no one reported deaths for 40 years, or this is all a hoax.
    More likely the furin cleavage site is novel, dating from either before gain-of-function experiments were halted by Moratorium in 2014, or since 1917 when Dr. Fauci and friends restarted these experiments. Lots of papers talk about this novel virus (RmYN02) with an addition in the furin cleavage site area, yet while the amino acid sequence is given, the nucleotide sequence seems strangely missing? The comparison of the 12/10 nucleotide stretch for the furin cleavage site should be compared between RmYN02 and SARScov2 to see how closely related.

    • Replies: @Michael888
    , @skrik
  81. @Michael888

    Should be since 2017 when Moratorium ended with no fanfare.

  82. As I read, I started skimming more and more and when I got to “while the Americans, led by a man who is living proof that democracy is the worst possible form of government“ I stoped reading this commie article altogether. Enjoy your discussion fools!

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wally
  83. @trickster

    Well parlayed, with zest and tang.

  84. What Larry writes is what my own research has concluded: that the US is attacking China with biological weapons. It is even worse than that: the US is attacking the world. Yes, it sounds insane as what controls the US is insane. It is an insanity that has emerged since the end of Cold War v1. It calls itself ‘indispensable and exceptional’ like another people that once thought they were ‘uber alles’. They keep the American people divided with fear and hate of each other and of distant others. They have militarized America and are pushing forward a foreign policy that can only result in a catastrophic war. Its black operation groups run false flag attacks and media disinformation narratives to control the people and do the same to other countries to foment division and chaos to gain control no matter the immense suffering. They rationalize their plowing and plundering of the world as ‘promoting democracy’. Each president in eight years, Clinton, Bush, and Obama, killed about one million in West Asia, North Africa, and elsewhere.

    Trump has not equaled them yet. The US black operation machine tried to entrap him into wars but he has backed off each time and US elites hate him for it. US elites know that the window for the continuation of the US Empire of Insanity is closing. Their desperation is obvious. They have taken the step of using biological weapons. There is no going back from this.

    US insanity emerged right after the disintegration of the USSR in the 1990’s. The evil in the hearts of US elites then emerged full force after 911 projected on Russia, China, Iran. US elites are turning full force on China. These same elites hugely benefited from the outsourcing of US jobs and industry to Asia but now that the pickings are getting slimmer and that China if not following orders and is going its own way those same US elites are beating the drum to march the American people against a Russia/China alliance that the entirety of US and NATO cannot subdue.

    The two party hydra heads of the elites that control the US are doing their part. US elites are willing to break humanity to prevent losing hegemony. They are fully committed. Far worse is coming.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Stonehands
  85. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wordofreason

    So you haven’t noticed yet that’s not a single article issue, but heralding China has become the main theme of this site? It comes even before charging Ashkenazi Jews with the responsibility for all the issues of the West, now.

    • Replies: @anon8383892
  86. FB says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks for calling attention to this…

    Yes, this is strange and worrisome…as soon as I read Godfree’s comment I clicked through the article links, and they were all okay…

    Which means it must have been specifically Godfree that was either targeted, or having some technical difficulty…

    I too have had some peculiar technical issues with this particular website…

    Well written article btw…thanks…

  87. FB says: • Website
    @Emslander

    Government weenies are one thing…heavy duty operators are quite another…

    Just because you don’t know any of the latter, only means you’re something of a weenie yourself…birds of a feather etc…

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  88. Che Guava says:

    This article seems baseless.

    I took my closest friend to a bar not far from my home, abt. 10 days ago. They were operating w.th external lights out at the time, although they are back on now.

    Food was great, drinks very generous, smoking allowed. The whole point of the total smoking ban was to prevent complaints from Olympics tourists. I know many places that are ignoring it. After all, if Tokyo 2020 even happens, it will be in 2021.

    For reasons of economic stimulus, I hope that it goes ahead.

    A TV

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  89. FB says: • Website
    @AriusArmenian

    That’s a very well thought out and well

  90. Taking a communist nation’s media proclamations seriously? Almost as nutty as believing ((( fake news))).

  91. mike99588 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    No gunpowder?

    By the late 1700s, quiet, rapid fire, air rifles were a terror to Napolean, who ordered them all destroyed and banned after conquering enemy armies. (abt 22 quiet, smokeless shots in a minute)

    Jefferson gave one of these air rifles to the Lewis and Clark expedition, immensely aiding its survival. Hostile indians always kept a respectful manner and distance after a “friendly” demonstration…

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @HeebHunter
  92. Che Guava says:
    @Che Guava

    ran in the background. Every second sentence included the words for ‘novel corona virus’ in Japanese. Nobody was wearing a mask, several started to laugh.

    Last weekend, I went to a live music show, not that I knew any of the performers, but to support the manager and chief stage tech. (who I do know).

    Again, with the exception of one man in a plastic visor and another in a mask, nobody wore a mask.

    Everybody is sick of this paranoia.

    Perhaps I will regret my words when I start coughing my lungs out this weekend, but I plan to spend it in the same way.

    • Replies: @trickster
  93. @FB

    If one has an agenda, one does not linger here. No leverage, or insignificant second rate leverage. The authors, as the commenters both are second tier. The question is why one does not have a first tier agenda. Out of principle, as a sport(contrarians), being an outlier for well defined reasons? The problem increments from commenters(the lesser effort), to authors, bloggers, zinies, who definitely must sustain themselves before anything else. Most are thus middle-class Jews, and the audience in grand part of middle class Jews keeps them alive. Pathologies, bigger then Corona, as Karlin, Sailer point the way. Admittedly this Larry Something made a first rate effort at it, but then he does not come back daily to haunt the day.

    Most “intellectuals”, “thinkers” have half a page of original sin in a life-time in them. Go figure how to spill words as a winding river. The water is fresh, the bedding is old.

  94. This is either Soros funded propaganda or sick parody from the minds of a mentally ill cabal. But why would anyone take the time to write such drivel? No proof just wild accusations. I pity the poor soul that wastes his time writing such crap.

  95. gavishti says:

    The author of the article is false when he states that the second wave comes from an absolutely new strain of the virus when Global Times itself states –

    ‘The coronavirus mutation discovered to be currently dominating the world has been pinpointed as the cause of the latest COVID-19 outbreak in Beijing, which experts say indicates that the virus was imported from outside China.’

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192456.shtml

    Traffic and trade is still happening in China so what are the chances that COV2 won’t come with it ? After all China hasn’t isolated itself.

    As far as the origins of the virus is concerned according to this scientific paper –

    https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

    “So where did RaTG13 come from? As I already mentioned, in 2020 Shi Zhengli reported that she isolated it in 2013 from Yunnan horseshoe bats (from Rhinolophus affinis, not the usual suspects R. sinicus). But until January 2020, this strain’s existence was not known, and here is how Shi Zhengli’s group described their discovery about RaTG13’s similarity to CoV2:

    ‘Simplot analysis showed that 2019-CoV2 was highly similar throughout the genome to RaTG13 (Fig. 1c), with an overall genome sequence identity of 96.2%.’

    The author of this article concludes –

    The opposite point is of whether COV2 was synthesized in a laboratory is worth repeating too: the inverse hypothesis about the exclusively natural origin of the virus does not yet have strong evidence either. Until intermediate ancestors between RaTG13, pangolin-2019 and CoV2 are found, in whom we could trace the mosaic recombination that we observe in CoV2, the question of its origins remains open.”

    So in conclusion the Chinese origins of COVID-19 cannot be overlooked. Moreover, the obvious answer that Covid 19 originated in China either through a laboratory or by natural origins in China should not be gainsaid just for the sake of an interesting conspiracy theory.

  96. Alden says:
    @refl

    No one permitted to leave or enter, checked and reported daily, food and necessities delivered and distributed; what does this resemble?

    Prison!!!!

  97. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Are we to tell ourselves it was merely a run of bad luck that China was the only nation in the world to be hit repeatedly with so many different biological pathogens in such a short time?

    That’s one way of looking at it.

    Another way of looking at that same set of facts, plus the fact that China is playing catch up in Biological Warfare with legacy empires of English-Zion and Russia; the fact that Chinese scientist are engaged in China and elsewhere working on “BioDefense”, merely indicate an emerging empire is making rookie mistakes and having unintended releases. You can be sure the legacy empires had their little accidents when they started making Biological Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    None of these arrogant nations, whether legacy empires of English-Zion, or Russia, or the new commer China have a fig leaf to hide behind. They are making terrible weapons. They would be parriah states on a normal planet.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  98. gavishti says:

    The author of the article is false when he states that the second wave comes from an absolutely new strain of the virus when Global Times itself states –

    ‘The coronavirus mutation discovered to be currently dominating the world has been pinpointed as the cause of the latest COVID-19 outbreak in Beijing, which experts say indicates that the virus was imported from outside China.’

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1192456.shtml

    Traffic and trade is still happening in China so what are the chances that COV2 won’t come with it ? After all China hasn’t isolated itself.

    As far as the origins of the virus is concerned
    according to this scientific paper –

    https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

    “So where did RaTG13 come from? As I already mentioned, in 2020 Shi Zhengli reported that she isolated it in 2013 from Yunnan horseshoe bats (from Rhinolophus affinis, not the usual suspects R. sinicus). But until January 2020, this strain’s existence was not known, and here is how Shi Zhengli’s group described their discovery about RaTG13’s similarity to CoV2:

    ‘Simplot analysis showed that 2019-CoV2 was highly similar throughout the genome to RaTG13 (Fig. 1c), with an overall genome sequence identity of 96.2%.’

    The author of this article concludes –

    The opposite point is of whether COV2 was synthesized in a laboratory is worth repeating too: the inverse hypothesis about the exclusively natural origin of the virus does not yet have strong evidence either. Until intermediate ancestors between RaTG13, pangolin-2019 and CoV2 are found, in whom we could trace the mosaic recombination that we observe in CoV2, the question of its origins remains open.”

    So in conclusion the Chinese origins of COVID-19
    cannot be overlooked. Moreover, the obvious answer that Covid 19 originated in China either through a laboratory or by natural origins in China should not be gainsaid just for the sake of an interesting conspiracy theory.

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Troll: vot tak
  99. Alden says:
    @Bombercommand

    Chinese idiom for husband “Thing I have to endure so I can feed my children. “

    • Troll: vot tak
  100. Alden says:
    @Culpepper

    Hudson’s Bay blankets, Eskimo sculptures of walruses and canned pea soup? If they were buying tires, I doubt the couple were tourists. Tourists rent cars, they don’t own and maintain them.

  101. Herald says:
    @mike99588

    You must be very busy going through life doing all that checking.

    • Troll: mike99588
  102. Herald says:
    @Bombercommand

    Very fortunately for the enemies of The United States, I do not work for the CIA.

    If only you hadn’t flunked the interview, things could have been so different.

  103. Let’s go deeper down the rabbit hole.

    About 20 years ago I thought to myself, regarding American competition with China, “How are we going to deal with this? The low labor cost in China means they’re going out-compete us on price on everything.” The “solutions” that occurred to me at the time were either nuke ’em back to the stone age — which seemed harsh– or wait til rising Chinese wage rates met falling US wages, at which point Americans would be competitive again.

    But that was 20 years ago. The outsourcing of US jobs had not yet destroyed the lives of millions of Americans. So I filed my thought and went on my way.

    Now 20 years later, the death-worshiping neocons to have been far more creative.

    You can’t nuke ’em because they have deterrent. And you can’t wage conventional warfare. Conventional war on the Asian continent is assessed as problematic. (One data point: China is 30x the size of Vietnam. Just sayin’.) Either of these direct military assaults demands retaliation. Which leads to escalation which leads to Apocalyptic Road Warrior outcomes and Leadership by the Humongous. Not an option.

    So, how to keep China down? How about a little bioweapons attack? Something that ravages their country but appears to be a natural occurrence? Or at least plausibly deniable. Hmmmmmm. Gotta think about that. You may have something there.

    Do we have an antidote to this bio-weapon? A vaccine, maybe? No? Isn’t that a problem? Won’t it come back over here and bite us on the ass? You think they’ll be caught with their pants down, totally by surprise, and it’ll tear them a new one. Whereas we will be prepared for it and suffer only modest and acceptable levels of civilian casualties, 10 to 20 million tops. (Hmmmmm. Why does that sound familiar to me?)

    What’s more, when it comes over here, (after we plant it over there, wink wink), we’ll simply blame it on them. We’ll get out in front of the “Who’s to blame?” issue by feigning righteous outrage at the “evil commies”, and blame it on them. Put them on the back foot right from the start. By the time they figure out it was us, our gullible rubes will be fuming in rage, totally convinced the CCP did it. Plus, as the innocent victims of their monstrous evil, we’ll be able to sue them for damages. Get court settlements against them, and “seize” — cancel out actually — the trillion or so dollars of US Treasury Bonds they hold.

    And if they get pissy and pull some shit, well, we’ll just use that as an excuse to nuke them back to the stone age.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @glib
  104. Alden says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Would be nice if China could crank out $5,000 refrigerators that don’t stop stop in 4 years and can’t be repaired.

    • Replies: @Ber
  105. @AriusArmenian

    Bravo. Thanks for submitting this and standing up like a fucking man/woman and refusing to comply with the literal bootlicking police state worshippers.

  106. Pft says:

    So we are led to believe the virus circulated freely for months in Europe and US before being noticed and causing no excess deaths and then jumped to Wuhan and nowhere else outside of Hubei. Then it was detected by smart Chinese doctors and then exploded, causing a lockdown of Wuhan and Hubei by courageous Chinese authorities who saved the rest of China ,so outside Hubei they only had small outbreaks until NOW (reinfected by the irresponsible Western Fake Democracies)

    You do know that Wuhan is a major travel hub in China , both domestically and internationally. There are literally hundreds of thousands of travelers passing in and out of Wuhan daily and tens of thousands of travelers going to and from US/Europe/China daily (until recently) . In the 21st century viruses travel fast. Heck even the Spanish Flu travelled the world quickly and killed tens of millions in the first 7 months. Yet somehow only a small area of China had any significant spread despite having been around since October (about the same time as US and Italy)

    Yet we are led to believe that in the Italy and US , despite having this virus in circulation 2-3 months before Chinas (Wuhan) explosion in mid January, their own explosion did not occur until 1-2 months later.

    Curiously, in every case , excess deaths, which are the most accurate indicator , given the inaccuracy and availability of tests , only occurred after lock downs. It was at this point Doctors began following COVID protocols now known to accelerate death in those seriously ill, and the awful burden of lockdowns on the population caused deaths from suicide , financial pressures and lack of health care which was being denied to non-COVID PATIENTS, and delaying going to the ER when experiencing a heart attack or stroke.

    Furthermore, we are supposed to forget China and US collaborated on GOF research meant to make coronaviruses from bats easily transmittable to and between people and that Chinas main BSL-4 lab was located near the Wuhans Ground Zero.

    Let me propose a theory. The virus was released in October, maybe earlier, perhaps simultaneously in China and US . It spread quickly globally but was not noticed since it was not terribly pathogenic. Just a new strain of coronavirus that can be detected by testing, but not by symptoms alone since its basically just another cold or flu.

    The so called outbreaks , are simply convenient times in which authorities decide to manufacture them (China chose right before the Lunar New Year after people already went home) . US waited till after the Super Bowl and before Easter. Its a function of testing and reporting, timed to maximize terror. Since the virus is endemic and widespread, testing will detect cases, and more testing will detect more cases.

    But no excess deaths. How to accomplish that because without the bodies the hoax cant last long enough for mandatory vaccines and the structural changes and the financial reset they seek to impose?

    As mentioned above, a protocol that kills patients, and then lockdowns which increases deaths from all causes. Bingo.

    Second wave will be more of the same. More cases? Do more tests. Need more bodies? Impose more lockdowns.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @glib
  107. Blackjack says:
    @Emily

    Zero Hedge has completely changed its character. I read somewhere that the original Bulgarian owner sold to someone, but I haven’t been able to find any corroborating evidence. That would explain your observation. Do you have any knowledge of a sale, and, if so, to whom?

    • Replies: @Republic
  108. @Old and Grumpy

    Explain in an intelligent and concise manner why eating dog is wrong and not eating pigs. I hear people claim it is because dogs are smart and have emotion. Pigs are smarter than domestic dogs and are measured to have more “feelings”. Both animals are “filthy”. So explain the difference. (just for the record I don’t eat either).

    • Replies: @FvS
  109. @denk

    They blame jews – blacks – chinese for everything… Sometimes all at the same time.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @FB
  110. Republic says:
    @Blackjack

    That Bulgarian Daniel Ivandiiski still runs Zero Hedge.

    Last week google blocked all ads for racist comments.

    It is true that over the years many former readers who made comments were purged. Mostly for anti jewish/zionist comments.

    The owners of ZH said that they might close down the comment section.

    That Bulgarian used to be a stock broker but was kicked out for insider trading.

    • Replies: @sarz
  111. @Alfred

    Buying tires across the world is as silly as believing someone who claims Chinese don’t like made in Chinese products because though he speaks no Chinese the woman happened to say “made in china” in English.. LOLOL. That is a pathetic reach actually. Besides the numbers show the opposite. In almost every field “made in china” products are growing.

  112. @mike99588

    Examples of massive cheating–especially those that impoverish millions of people–are almost exclusively perpetrated by American financial institutions, not Chinese.

    The Melamine adulteration was years ago, limited to a few dozens cases, and resulted in the executions of the perps–unlike Vioxx and Oxycontin, which have killed millions.

    I, too, have seen examples of deal-breaking cheating that cost American companies bigger opportunities. So has anyone who’s been in business.

    There is no law against copying. There are forms of copying that are illegal and, in such cases, Chinese perps are rare, as court records prove.

    They’re ahead of us, in any case, and don’t need to copy anything. According to the the sinophobic Japan Science and Technology Agency, by 2016 China already led the world in math, engineering, chemistry and computer science and was neck-and-neck with the US in physics. The JSTA took the top ten of the most referenced studies in each field, and determined the number of authors who were affiliated with the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, China or Japan. China ranked first in computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering. The U.S. led in physics, environmental and earth sciences, basic life science and clinical medicine. https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-ties-the-US-as-the-most-influential-nation-in-science.

    The Allen Institute for Artificial Intelligence (Ai2) examined not just the number of AI research papers coming from China but the quality of those papers—as judged by the number of citations they receive in other work. The study suggests that China will overtake the US in the most-cited 50% of research papers this year, the top 10% of research papers next year, and the top 1% by 2025. China is already ahead in the number of AI patents filed, AI venture capital invested, and research papers cited worldwide. The number of Chinese students studying AI and graduating from universities worldwide exceeds the total number of other countries’ AI students combined. https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/13/136642/china-may-overtake-the-us-with-the-best-ai-research-in-just-two-years/

    China has overtaken the US to become the world’s largest producer of scientific research papers, making up almost a fifth of the total global output, according to a major new report. https://www.stm-assoc.org/document-library/

    The World Intellectual Property Organization, WIPO, ranked 167 universities and public research universities for the top 500 patent applications. 110 of the patents were from China, 20 from the United States and 19 from South Korea. China dominates a global ranking of the most-cited research papers published in the 30 hottest technology fields. https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pubdocs/en/wipo_pub_941_2018.pdf

  113. Johan says:

    Isn’t it convenient, the success story of a country, battling the virus threat, China, which is a communist dictatorship with controlled capitalism (you need to feed the consumerism and materialism, but in a controlled manner), and heading toward a technocracy. The Western elites love it, no amount of cocaine from Latin America grants them such power kicks of establishing the Chinese model in the Western world, and running it. Their heads are by now almost exploding from the kick of anticipation and success.

  114. FvS says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    What it’s like to do business in China.

    [MORE]

  115. @Larry Romanoff

    Thanks for checking. I was beginning to doubt my own eyes.

    I wonder if Larry uses Yandex for email?

  116. FvS says:
    @showmethereal

    Ever had a guard pig? Ever used a pig for hunting? Ever played fetch with your pig?

  117. @Godfree Roberts

    Dear Genius LR,
    Democracy is what allowed you to publish anti-american conspiracy theory here. Authoritarian China would never publish this in the opposite scenario. You’re a good comedian

    • Replies: @Meena
    , @Godfree Roberts
  118. @Larry Romanoff

    Larry, I’m working on an article that may explain, or at least lend credence to, your suggestion that this topic is worth the attention of serious spooks.

    It’s a USG Covid conspiracy that’s hiding in plain sight and is fascinating for its blatancy and the degree to which it is being ignored.

  119. vot tak says:

    Useful analysis from Romanoff, and going by the hostility from israel’s foaming, faggot freakshow to it, probably close to the truth.

    • Replies: @denk
  120. Meena says:

    “ “I think the Beidou-3 system being operational is a big event,” Jonathan McDowell, an astronomer at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, told AFP.

    “This is a big investment from China and makes China independent of US and European systems,” McDowell said.

    Tens of millions of smartphones to drones to guided farm equipment to vessels to automated cars to even missiles can now use the new location service. “
    Zerohedge.com

    China is slowly and inexorably moving to take the place US has been forced from within to vacate .

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  121. @Larry Romanoff

    No known program has the ability or the inclination to substitute a live website link with the instructions to open someone’s email account without a password. That is damned sophisticated espionage.

    It’s not remotely sophisticated; in fact since it’s easily detectable (i.e., your mail app opens) it’s extremely unsophisticated.

    The most obvious means of getting this sort of thing done is replacing http://[whatever] with mailto://[whatever, or something else] in the href for embedded links.

    Doing this will open the mail client, but won’t do anything else because it can’t hit ‘Send’. A slightly ‘smarter’ version would actually be able to set up recipients, and mimic hitting ‘Send’ on the new e-mail payload. And then delete the Sent mail, of course.

    .

    This can be done either ‘on the fly’ with Javascript (likely to be a client-level thing), or using a 301 (redirect) at the server level.

    Since it’s happening to a subset of users, it’s obviously ‘client side’ in this case – which means that some users have been victims of a browser exploit at some stage.

    This is relatively easy to do in a ‘drive by’ – where a site is set up to install malicious JS the moment a user lands on the site. Drive-bys usually infect a plugin/extension with known vulnerabilities – e.g., Flash Player.

    Since everyone knows about CVE-2020-0041 (the Chrome ‘sandbox’ exploit and credential escalation), users with unpatched browsers and stored SMTP credentials (or using open SMTP relays, like GMail) are basically lining up to be part of an email botnet… although frankly mass-email botnets are well past its use-by date (these days, people don’t even use browser hijacks to use the device as part of a crypto-mining botnet… it’s not worth the effort).

    .

    Don’t be too hard on yourself: datasec is hard.

    Ask the folks who just had millions of documents liberated, despite spending a total of hundreds of million of dollars on security. (“The folks“… that would be “hundreds of US law enforcement agencies“, and the “millions of documents” goes by the name of “Blueleaks“. Fucking amateurs)

    • Thanks: Uomiem
    • Replies: @donut
  122. Herald says:
    @Emslander

    The official COVID-19 narrative is long dead in the water. Clearly the swarm of official narrative gatekeepers now obviously flocking to this site is proof enough of that.

    • Agree: Alfred
  123. trickster says:
    @Che Guava

    You wont regret your words. I have only worn a mask where I had to ie for shopping because the store will not let me in. I believe in the statistics rather than the bullshit the politicians, bloggers and experts shovel out. So:
    -As a % of population the infection rate is miniscule
    -As a % of infection rate the death rate is miniscule
    -Therefore as death as a % of population is so small as to be dismissive
    -The death rate is inflated ie Billy dies from an STD and is deemed dead from Corona
    -Older people with diagnosed chronic disease are deemed dead from Corona

    Hence even the miniscule % dead vs population is over inflated. Couple all that with the bullshit stories the press puts out:
    -Animals in the zoo tested positive including the parrots and manatee
    -The virus spread in a Hong Kong apartment building through the sewer pipes ie someone on the 15th floor took a dump, the virus escaped when he flushed and Wang Yu on floor 12 was infected
    -The sun kills the virus but we should all stay inside
    -Masks work, then they dont, then they do, then they might
    -Millions will die, hospitals are overwhelmed etc
    -Then its Corona Chan, Corona Chin, Corona Cheech and Chond, second wave and more and more idiocy

    And the list rocks and rolls on. Now that the rioting etc is dying down and people are asking “Floyd who?” we are back to the corona shit. Note that Fauci has made a reappearance and the news carries all the old crap with people hugging and crying etc

    It is such a crock of shit as to be incredible but we dont teach people to THINK these days, only to regurgitate what they read in a text book. So whatever they are told is what they believe, swallow and barf up.

    I dont know anyone who was even infected and I dont know anyone who knows anyone who was infected. The whole thing is a jack off job made even more ludicrous by Romanov and Karlin with their mountain of graphs and charts which turned out to be sheer nonsense

    Concluding:
    -Once the Mueller Russian collusion turned out to be a hoax
    -Corona made its appearance
    -Once that topic started to get boring and people rebelled at being locked up we had
    -Arbery which did not do much so Floyd came along
    -Now Floyd is turning out to be a dreadful bore we are back to Corona strain 1, strain 2 etc

    Once that plays out we’ll have some other time and life wasting “crisis” to deal with which will in its turn evolve into utter shit as well.

    You and I and most of the other Unz readers will die from falling out of our rocking chairs or playing bingo at a ripe old age. I say this to one and all from the Trickster who has experienced first hand that this life we have is truly in the hands of God whether you believe in him or whatever name you call him.

    When he opens his agenda for the day and your name appears on that date, Corona or no fucking Corona you are going down !

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @FemCrim
    , @FemCrim
  124. Meena says:
    @BrokenheartAmerican

    Tell that to Assagne, Snowden, to Chelsea Manning . Tell that to John Kiriakou. Those lawyers who fought for Guantanamo detainees will love to hear the good news .

  125. trickster says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Yes it is racist. It is also racist to have a picture of your dog, to give your dog a name but not your pig or pet chicken and to have a leash and muzzle on your dog but not Rufus the Rooster. It is also discriminatory to eat the dog but not the pig.

    We are at the stage where using toilet paper to wipe our ass, if said toilet paper has a photo of a white person, could be construed as white privilege ?? Did I get that right ? Who knows !

    In any case I understand that dog is tasty if you get them young. When they are old, lean and mangy from running all over China city they are not very delectable or edible but hey, you never know, these people have some strange culinary tastes !

    Biff, a resident commentator on Unz is a Chinaman . We should ask him. He claims Chinese are smart. Perhaps eating the shit they do causes some derangement in brain function resulting in these dramatic assertions. Again who knows.

    What I do know is that in shopping around for a house, the buyer better be sure his neighbour is not Asian or he may wonder of there is a connection between his missing mutt and that barbecue smell coming from next door.

  126. Ber says:
    @Alden

    Some Arabs in Dubai say that China sells same goods in 3 different qualities at different prices. Apparently the Chinese are upfront about their qualities tied to their pricing allowing buyers to choose according to the size of their pockets.

  127. @mike99588

    Something else the US didn’t invent. Like the Wankel engine, if the Giardoni rifle were really that simple to operate, beffective and reliable, all gunpowder weapons would have ceased production.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  128. @Sulu

    I have no skin in the game, I’m an observer. As bad as Ralph Nadar was, he would still be a better candidate than Trump or Clinton.

  129. sally says:
    @Cat

    I am certain Russia, as China, was seeded again with another variety for a second attempt.
    Historically, virus outbreaks, do not behave in this fashion

    simultaneously infected Within a few days
    The First Wave 25 nations centered on January 25.
    The Second Wave 85 nations centered on February 25.

    observation in need of explaniation
    A natural virus hasn’t the ability to simultaneously (within three days)
    infect 85 different countries on all continents of the world.
    nor the ability to mutate itself in such a way as to be energetically contagious to humans, and much less the conscious intelligence to choose China’s largest passenger transportation hub as the distribution point
    and the Eve of the Chinese New Year as the best time to attack.
    For these, the coronavirus required a helping ‘black hand’.

    proposed action:<= stop pretending that COVID-19 was an accident of nature,

    coronavirus infections come about because of the S1-S2 molecule in the virus itself. The S1 part of the virus molecule has two modes open and closed. When open the S1 part of the virus molecule interacts with ACE-2 receptors, if it can find one; on contact with a human host cell ACE-2 Receptor, the virus S1 part of the s1-S2 molecule moves a part of the victim's cell surface Receptor (ACE-2 Receptor) to one side. this happens on the surface of the human host cell. S1 Holds back the receptor, which allows a quick moving S2 part of the virus molecule to sneak around the ACE-2 receptor, and to grab on to and to bind to the membrane of the victim, human cell and in time the virus then gains entry into the cell and transfer its deadly viral venum into the human host cell. cell defense has been evaded.

    Many cell types protrude ACE-2 receptors through their cell surface so the protruded Receptors can act as cell membrane surface mounted antenna; where the Receptors wait for a signal or for contact with a molecule
    to occur. These contacts occur on the outside of the human cell membrane. Hence this type of receptor is a cell surface antenna, it functions as a socket to connect the inner guts of the cell to the global internet. Many receptors also transport goods and services into the human host cell and export waste and other goods and services to the outside. But here we are talking about the ability of the membrane at cell membrane surface to defend against unwarranted substances (of which the virus is one) from gaining entry to the cell.

    Without discussing the function of ACE-2 Receptor it should be possible to understand infection occurs because the human host cell is vulnerable to virus molecules. The discussion is about the failure of a
    defense system built into the cell itself, virus molecule S1 detracts the defense, clears the path for the virus S2 to connect to and to bind with the human host cell membrane. The S2 part of the virus molecule takes advantage of the path cleared by the S1 part of the virus molecule. Once binding of virus to human host cell membrane occurs, the inner cell has been compromised and the virus can not proceed to replicate.. it does so at rapid pace..

    but this replication is occurring within one person.. in order to infect the next person, an cell containing the replicating virus or the virus itself needs to make contact with the victim to be infected and it must then successfully invade at least one cell in the human victim.

    this takes time.. and the likely hood of a cell from an infected person finding a victim 200 miles away within a few days is very unlikely.

    so there must be different releases of the same virus at the same time in order for different cities to have about the same infection rates..

    Virons harbored in Sichuan cave resident bats needs some sort of access to people in different locations at the same time.

    Is it possible to genetically engineer a virus by or thru a satellite or 5g cell tower?

    I have experience with genetics and have often noticed suspicious transformations that occur out of the blue. I can imagine A satellite programmed to take control of the viral replication process could be tuned to control and genetically engineer viral replication.

    5g towers have the power to direct very powerful energized beams..

    so possibilities to be overcome exist to deny your hypothesis . that transport of the virons is essential to same time separately located infection phenomena. Reword the hypothesis:

    hypothesis: ElectoOptiomotive forces can target and direct genetic transformations.

    • Replies: @skrik
  130. @FvS

    Pigs are used for hunting truffles. Whether someone uses them as guard pigs or plays fetch with them is up to the pig’s owner. Geese are more effective guards than some dogs, but people eat them too.
    Filipinos are known for eating dogs, as are Koreans.
    Many cultures have odd foods. Icelanders eat horses, rancid shark that has been buried in sand, and pickled ram’s testicles. Like dogs, those would not be on my list of things to eat, but I doubt the Icelanders would give a shit.

    • Replies: @FvS
  131. @skrik

    PS An interesting extension to some ideas in the article, is that since the virus infections have gone global, IF it was human-made [my best tip] THEN whoever made it [= clearly rogue-state operatives] contributed to killing 100s of 1000s, *including their own people*! brrr

    Not at all surprised…it’s part of Agenda 21.

  132. Wally says:
    @Priss Factor

    Clueless Romanoff said:

    “Twenty-six states are already experiencing dramatic spikes reaching new records each day, so Trump ordered the CDC to “stop testing” because it makes him look bad.”

    Except:
    Fauci: ‘None of Us Have Ever Been Told to Slow Down on Testing’: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/23/fauci-none-of-us-have-ever-been-told-to-slow-down-on-testing/

    – And of course, if you do more testing for anything you’re bound to find more of it.

  133. @mike99588

    Even today the best commercial air rifle that can be held by a man has the muzzle energy of a .45 acp and is .50 cal

    Just shut up.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  134. Anon[346] • Disclaimer says:

    Not buying the article; there were little inconsistencies here and there but the main reason I don’t buy it is because no sane country in the world would introduce a deadly virus into Wuhan simply because it is one of the main transport hubs for air travel in the world.
    Btw, I watched the Trump in Tulsa video and he was in great form, so my prediction is that after the three scheduled debates with Biden (at a loss for words) Trump will win the November election. Could be worse – could be Hillary except that by now even the Democrats must realize that if Hillary were suggested for VP their loss would be a forgone conclusion. The one who is going to run the country after Biden is gently pushed out is the same same one whom Tulsi pretty much destroyed in debate before Tulsi was forced out by the DNC. Not to worry, Trump will win.

    • Replies: @Sulu
  135. @FvS

    That would be nice if it didnt turn out that subhuman garbage like us intel agents have been infesting the site for a long time and manifested completely with kike lover supreme (((trump))).

  136. @FvS

    Boars were and have always been one of world’s most fierce and heroic animals. Especially Europe.

    Pig playing fetch.

    What irrational hatred of a vital livestock, the big.
    Are you sure you are not one of those desert semites?
    With muttmerica classifying North Africans and Arabs as “white” since a hundres years ago, you never know.

    • Replies: @FvS
  137. @Parbes

    The truth hurts but it will set you free … idiot!

    • Replies: @Parbes
  138. Wally says:
    @Wordofreason

    – Indeed.

    – And like all the other unhinged Communists with TDS, he offers no proof whatsoever against Trump.

    Pollster John McLaughlin: Mainstream Media Polls ‘Skewed’ to ‘Water Down the Trump Vote’: https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/14/trump-pollster-john-mclaughlin-mainstream-media-polls-skewed-to-water-down-the-trump-vote/

  139. @jadan

    Why would the US target its own population in the process?

    The US kakistocracy serves the 1%. Another 40% tag along for the “Capitalism” ride. If you examine the recent deaths WITH Covid, the majority are either old age with underlying health problems (soon to die anyway) or “undesireables” in society (i.e. poor, over weight, black, drug addicts etc..). The current sacrifice of Americans is no different than what happened during the Vietnam War. Combat units (drafts) were expendable and led into dangerous and deadly combat situations so the Officers could get “killing vietcong” points for promotion. That is until the “fragging” started.
    Take a drive to cottage country or any upper and/or upper middle class neighbourhoods and you will see with your own eyes ZERO problems. Lawns are being cut and people are enjoying the lockdown with their family and loved ones safe in the knowledge that their good health and nutrition will see them through this “plan-demic”.

  140. Sulu says:
    @Sulu

    We know the virus originated in bats; that much is confirmed,

    You must have the mental capacity of a turnip if you think the above statement made by the author must be taken at face value and cannot be called into doubt. That would indicate the author either doesn’t really know what he is talking about or he is spreading propaganda in an effort to establish that the virus existed in the wild as opposed to being released by some anonymous actor as an act of bio-terrorism. Either way it means the author cannot be taken seriously. Much like yourself.

    My original statement stands, and you demonstrate your complete lack of intellect by attempting to label me a troll.

    Sulu

  141. Sulu says:
    @Anon

    I don’t buy it is because no sane country in the world would introduce a deadly virus into Wuhan

    The operative word in that sentence is sane. I don’t think we can say that all the people in power in America, or the world for that matter, are sane.

    I once asked one of my Psychology professors, “What happens to sociopaths?”
    He replied that the dumb ones end up in prison or dead and the smart ones end up in positions of power in government.

    Sulu

  142. glib says:
    @Pft

    I am shocked that someone else noticed that the excess death curves lag the lockdowns and also lag the scam site worldometer. That is key to understand what was done.

  143. FvS says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Chinese don’t just eat dogs. They boil them alive. Also, I don’t think pigs or geese can really be compared to dogs in terms of their usefulness and role as companion to mankind over the years. Horses are more beast of burden than a typical pet, but eating them is still considered off-putting to many.

  144. FvS says:
    @HeebHunter

    Are you sure you are not one of those desert semites?

    Nope. I love pork.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  145. jadan says:
    @skrik

    If the thesis of the article is correct than there will be no end to this pandemic or a new one that follows or develops concurrently. Official pronouncements that the virus occurred naturally serve the purpose of stopping a global biological war from developing. This was an accidental release. Genetic engineering has come a long way since the time Saddam Hussein declared bio/chemical warfare would be a poor country’s answer to nuclear weapons. Look at CRISPR technology, which makes editing genomes easier than ever! The quick and effective response of the Chinese is explained by the fact that they knew what they were dealing with. They did not create massive new medical infrastructure in just two weeks because they were guessing what they were up against. They knew what they were dealing with because they developed it and it got out of hand. I agree with the assessment of Francis Boyle. There are no innocents in this global bioweapons race. If Romanoff is correct, we’re in really bad trouble. I like the accident scenario.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Vidi
  146. @FvS

    It’s like this:

    At our US facility our only requirement for assemblers is a high school degree, US citizenship, passing a drug and criminal background check, and a simple assembly test: looking at an assembly engineering drawing and then putting the components together.

    While the vast majority of American applicants were unable to complete the assembly test, in China they completed it in half the time and 100% of applicants passed.

    Hiring for an assembler position in the US would require thirty interviews a day and produce twenty-nine rejections, not to mention all the HR hassles of assemblers walking off shift, excessive lateness, stealing from work, slow work speed and poor attitudes.

    The position starts at $12 an hour in flyover country which is pretty reasonable compared to other jobs that only require a GED and no prior work experience. It offers medical, dental and annual raises with plenty of opportunity to move up in the company and earn an average Production Assembler salary, $33,029, if they stay beyond five years.

    Identical positions in China pay the same wages as other positions there with only a high school degree and no work experience.

    Yet the applicant quality is much higher and this also applies to the white collar support professionals: schedulers, quality inspectors, equipment testers and calibrators, engineers, supply chain managers, account managers, sales.

    Their labor quality is simply higher.

    At the end of the day, high-end and middling manufacturing is not moving to either the US or Mexico because average workers in flyover country cannot meet the demands of twenty-first century manufacturing.

  147. denk says:
    @vot tak

    The stupid cunt Really no shit and his ilks are WTS, White Trash Supremacists.

    How do I know ?
    They always swear at the Jews…
    and the Chinese.

  148. 109.Pft says:

    “Curiously, in every case , excess deaths, which are the most accurate indicator , given the inaccuracy and availability of tests , only occurred after lock downs.”

    I don’t believe this statement is true. Brazil and Sweden are two examples of disasters due to no lockdown. For the Nordic countries, comparing equal population numbers, Sweden’s infections are 250% of Norway or Denmark and deaths are 1,000%.

    “Furthermore, we are supposed to forget China and US collaborated on GOF research meant to make coronaviruses from bats easily transmittable to and between people and that Chinas main BSL-4 lab was located near the Wuhans Ground Zero.”

    This above statement of yours is false in its entirety. No evidence exists to support such a claim of mal-intent. And the US Consulate is located much closer to the Wuhan Market than is the University. There is as much evidence to support a claim the virus orginated in the US Consulate as in the Wuhan University, which is to say none at all.

    Posting factual nonsense is not helpful to promoting understanding.

    .

    These are the Two Waves (in terms of first breakout):

    The First Wave simultaneously infected 25 nations or territories within a few days centered around January 25. The infected areas: Macau, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Cambodia, Nepal, Malaysia, Australia, Thailand, Canada, Germany, Italy, the UK, France, Spain, Belgium, Russia, Finland, and the UAE.

    One month later. The Second Wave simultaneously infected 85 nations within a few days centered around February 25. The infected countries: Austria, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Portugal, Luxembourg, Monaco, San Marino, the Vatican, Liechtenstein, Malta, New Zealand, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Bangladesh, the Maldives, Bhutan, Andorra, Bulgaria, Belarus, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Czech Republic, Slovenia, Latvia, Croatia, Estonia, North Macedonia, Georgia, Romania, Bosnia & Herzegovina, Slovakia, Serbia, Moldova, Albania, Egypt, Iraq, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait, Lebanon, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Palestine, Iceland, Ecuador, Armenia, Norway, Denmark, Costa Rica, Peru, Colombia, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Paraguay, Chile, Brazil, Argentina, Nigeria, Togo, Cameroon, Senegal, Algeria, South Africa, Morocco, and Tunisia. Kosovo, Namibia, Uruguay, the Sudan, Ethiopia, Lesotho, Bolivia, Panama, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Mongolia, Burkina Faso, Brunei and Cyprus were simultaneous around one week later.

    Travel cannot account for this.

  149. @Anon

    With respect to great-power adversaries, it’s hard to get balanced views, so maybe Unz is getting more Sino-philic authors than you would prefer recently; doesn’t mean he won’t publish quality criticisms, maybe you or someone you know could submit something.

    With respect to charging Ashkenazi Jews with absolutely everything, I agree it’s a fault, and a fallacy for sure, but for people who are recovering from decades of brainwashing only recently, it is somewhat to be expected that they will over-compensate and subscribe to overly simplistic models of things (which are opposite to the lie that was planted in them), which is what that fallacy stems from, grasping at a simple model, and not attacking the model to test it. That’s probity, the intellectual Sysiphean task (which never ends, it can only, and must, be pursued). Most people simply aren’t equipped for that, often because the environment didn’t provide the training for that process.

    In spite of the contemporary carte-blanche in society, freedom from criticism, Ashkenazi Jews do have faults and sins like the rest of us, and they would benefit from constructive criticism, the same as I as an individual benefit from constructive criticism. The Zionist polity generally will benefit from purging truly criminal elements, and while they do exist, as typical they are a minority. Lesser faults, ethnic idiosyncracies, may be more common, but the truly evil shit is conducted by a diverse crew at the top of the pyramid of dogshit. Who knows really, but you have Vatican/Knights-of-Malta, Illuminati, Rosicrucians, Masons, WASPs, … everyone has some theory, and the more sophisticated theories feature an amalgamated and diverse villain crew. One particularly insightful conjecture comment on Unz featured largely the Vatican/Knights element; in spite of the sophistication of the argument, it was just speculative fantasy. We can compile lists of plausible explanations for what we see, but we don’t have the data to really know. Even and especially in the intelligence agencies, such knowledge is exceedingly sparse, I would guess.

    As another commenter in this very thread pointed out, many of the more one-dimensional Jew-hating/blaming comments are professional trolls, false flag information warfare.

    • Replies: @skrik
  150. Cowboy says:

    Is Unz hiding under his bed again? Didn’t he predict like 10 million Americans dead by now? Chinky chong going down?

    • Replies: @Vidi
  151. Parbes says:
    @Parbes

    What truth – that you’re a neocon sewer rat?

  152. denk says:
    @showmethereal

    The [[[mofo]]] behind CV19/20
    are the same perps orchestrating proxy war in Ladakh right now…
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/why-the-chinese-indian-skirmishes-may-escalate/comments/page/2/#comments

    The same [[[mofo]]] who gave us SARS1
    TAM
    Tibet 2008
    Xinjiang 2009, 2020
    HK 2014, 2020…
    Indon 1965

    The same [[[mofo]]] setting off bush fire all around China in SCS, TW straitls.

    Its the.. [[[mofo 5liars ptb]]].
    A no brainer.

    The shithead really no shits
    and his fellow WTS are either very stupid cunts or paid shills.

  153. 118.Godfree Roberts says:

    “Thanks for checking. I was beginning to doubt my own eyes. I wonder if Larry uses Yandex for email?”

    I do not. A friend sent me this summary:

    “It’s possible that the link is modified by her email program or some other place where she stores them. For example, I might email you this link: “https://www.somewebsite.com/blah&#8221;, and you might see the actual text for the link as “news article1”. With Gmail, it’s possible for Google to modify the URL to say, “https://tracker.google.com/&source=Larry&target=https://www.somewebsite.com/blah&#8221;. Now when you click on “news article 1″, you think nothing has changed, but every person to whom you forwarded the email will now have the Google tracker on it. Google can put so much more on the new URL unbeknownst to you or anyone who receives the link. And, those creeps can track the entire ring of people whose viewed that article and who forwarded to whom.”

    An interesting part of this story is that when my article was first posted on this website, ALL the links visually displayed the correct destination, a newspaper website or whatever but, if you held your mouse over the link, the actual address was the person’s email account, and clicking on the link did open her email account. Moreover, that link was very long, with an enormous string of characters that I assume to have been a program of some kind.

    But a couple of hours later, when I checked, only one link still had the Yandex email. The others had all reverted to their normal status. And an hour later, that last link had reverted to normal as well.

    And that can mean only that the program was running in the background while embedded on this website, in the article. If I post a link here, for example to a website that contains my past articles: http://www.moonofshanghai.com, this link cannot change itself by itself. There would have to be a program running in that link to display a false link and then to delete itself after some period of time.

    As I said, damned clever espionage. I didn’t know this was possible. My conclusion is that there is at least a possibility that someone is interested to know who uploads and downloads articles on COVID-19, who forwards them, and to whom they are forwarded, and our friend Google who are just a private company doing no evil, is tracking all of those everywhere.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  154. @skrik

    [a possible proof being the Covid-19 attack disabling victims’ sense of smell

    You mean hypochondriacs who think they have Covid because they get a stuffy nose from a cold can’t smell as good.

    Also, they sequenced the DNA of Covid-19. Sure they did.

    • Replies: @skrik
  155. Parbes says:
    @Really No Shit

    What truth – that you’re a neocon sewer rat?

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
    , @DB Cooper
  156. Ron Unz says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    An interesting part of this story is that when my article was first posted on this website, ALL the links visually displayed the correct destination, a newspaper website or whatever but, if you held your mouse over the link, the actual address was the person’s email account, and clicking on the link did open her email account. Moreover, that link was very long, with an enormous string of characters that I assume to have been a program of some kind.

    But a couple of hours later, when I checked, only one link still had the Yandex email. The others had all reverted to their normal status. And an hour later, that last link had reverted to normal as well.

    …As I said, damned clever espionage.

    Well, I happened to look over the comment-thread here, and can partially clear up the mystery…

    When I was sent the submitted article in Word format, I just copy-pasted it into the system, and slightly cleaned up the HTML. Unfortunately, I didn’t notice that the strange links were to that email account.

    When I discovered the problem, I removed the email links, but carelessly missed one of them, which I later fixed.

    So the only real mystery is why the Word file I was sent included those strange email links…

    • Thanks: Alfred
  157. Max Payne says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Its not spies. It’s user error. So you can relax.

    Simple answer: stop emailing yourself links and drafts of this article. Stop WORKING on these articles through your email application (be it a client on your computer or through a webmail site).

    DO get a real word processor application that doesn’t go through your web browser (ie don’t use Google docs).

    When copy-pasting links try pasting them first in a simple program like notepad before copying it again and pasting it into your final draft (in hopefully MS Word).

    Last week I had $950 transferred out of my bank (thankfully the bank stopped it) because I downloaded the wrong crack. So if spies got to you believe me they would do more than some Micky Mouse trolling of opening your email client.

  158. 160.Ron Unz says:

    “When I was sent the submitted article in Word format, I just copy-pasted it into the system, and slightly cleaned up the HTML. Unfortunately, I didn’t notice that the strange links were to that email account. When I discovered the problem, I removed the email links, but carelessly missed one of them, which I later fixed. So the only real mystery is why the Word file I was sent included those strange email links…”

    Thank you, Ron. That clears up a lot. When I was told of this, my first thought was that it was Word that included the tracking program in the links. My suggestion was to never use Microsoft Word but to always use Notepad and make a simple text file because it has no ability to contain or run programs and cannot be corrupted. I never use Word, except for word count and spell checking. I don’t trust that program at all. It has great capabilities but to my mind it should be used only on a computer that is not connected to the internet.

    We already know that Word and Windows have back doors, so it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Word was also cooperating in tracking.

    I also have grave concerns about Google Docs for similar reasons.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  159. “By May 2020, China had the situation under control and no more contaminations were reported”. This is not what news channels like NTD report. Look at their “China in focus” bulletins on YouTube. According to those, China has been in serious trouble since December last year, especially in Wuhan and Beijing. The Chinese Communist Party hides these facts and reports to the outside world that all is hunky dory. It would seem that Mr. Romanoff has obediently gathered CCP data.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @Vidi
  160. skrik says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    French news
    Wed 13 May 2020 13h16
    Most Commented
    WHO lists loss of smell/taste as Covid-19 symptom

    The loss of smell and taste has now been added to the list of symptoms of the Covid-19 virus collated by the World Health Organisation (WHO).

    It comes after a European study revealed that loss of smell or taste occurred in 70% of cases – and was more common among women.

    The study has been conducted on 1,420 patients who had a mild form of the disease.

    It showed women are more affected by the loss of smell and taste than men who are more likely to suffer from coughs and fever.

    In younger patients, these symptoms are accompanied by ear, nose and throat problems, sore throat and cough, while older patients are more likely to experience tiredness and fever.

    Half of the patients recover their sense of smell and taste after two to three weeks.

    The World Health Organisation has thus added the loss of smell and taste to its list of symptoms which are: headache, fever, dry cough, tiredness, aches and pain, sore throat, diarrhoea, skin rash or discolouration of fingers and toes, and conjunctivitis.

    More serious symptoms are: difficulty of breathing or shortness of breath, chest pain or pressure, loss of speech or movement.

    On average symptoms take five to six days to appear but it sometimes can take up to 14 days, the WHO says.

    https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/World-Health-Organisation-adds-loss-of-smell-and-taste-in-the-list-of-coronavirus-symptoms

    Coronavirus: Prince Charles’s sense of smell and taste still not back
    16 June 2020

    Prince Charles has still not fully regained his sense of smell and taste after having coronavirus in March, he revealed on a visit to NHS staff.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53026903

    Get your Covid-19 genome sequences from genometracker.org [US], based on data from gisaid.org [D]. rgds

  161. @BrokenheartAmerican

    You, like 99% of us, have no idea whatever about censorship in China and know little more about censorship in this country (as @Meena observes).

    Investigative journalism in the PRC, though no more welcome than it is here, is so influential it was able to stop the government permitting the use of GM foods and expose a scandal within the Supreme Court, inter alia.

    In any case, we are by no measure a democracy whereas, by any measure, China is. See https://www.unz.com/article/selling-democracy-to-china/

  162. @FvS

    Whereas here, in the Land of the Free, we drag human beings behind our pickups, thank God.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  163. skrik says:
    @sally

    Is it possible to genetically engineer a virus by or thru a satellite or 5g cell tower?

    IMHO, no and absolutely not. [Disclaimer: I’m a layman in respect to microbiology.] Your discussion of “the S1-S2 molecule” is the correct place to start; namely at the coronavirus ‘spike.’ It’s why they ‘picture’ the virus as a sphere with spikes with nobs at the spike-ends. The nob is the ‘tip of the spear’ that engages the ACE2 ‘dock’ on the human cell outer wall. It is correct that the spike ‘divides’ at the S1-S2 boundary, *precisely* at the point of the *unique* PRRA insertion, otherwise known as a furin-cleavage point. It is the PRRA insertion that makes Covid-19 so dreadfully infective. AFAIK, the transmission is only by virons expelled by an infected person being absorbed on the cell-wall surface of the next unfortunate person – suspecting 5G is a furphy put about by rabble-rouser/obfuscatory trouble-making types. It has been proposed that the virus arrived in/near Wuhan by infected US athletes, that sort of thing or spraying from drones could do the trick in Russia and Iran, say. The drone-deliveries would be done by covert infiltrated operatives from one or two rogue-states, my guess. rgds

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  164. mike99588 says:
    @HeebHunter

    So you think a high capacity, rapid firing “silent” ***rifle *** with ~45ACP stopping power wasn’t a fearsome weapon in 1800 ???

    I wouldn’t go hunting brown bear with it, but at moderate distance against a black powder muzzle loader, the smoke free firepower was terrific. Also Lewis and Clark played to a less critical audience and emphasized the advantages. It’s called showmanship.

  165. @Godfree Roberts

    That was a SINGLE incident 22 YEARS AGO, and the perpetrators were executed. You write as if it happens every day( understandable as the Hate Whitey Media acted as if it happens every day while ignoring the tsunami of Black on White hate crimes). What’s next Godfree, will you claim the recent BLM looting spree was actually perpetrated by “White Supremacists in giant pickups”? Oh wait, the Hate Whitey Media is already doing that. There’s your cue, Godfree, run with it! CHINA NUMBER ONE!!!YOU FINISHED WHITE GUY!!!!

  166. Parfois1 says:
    @skrik

    … suspecting 5G is a furphy put about by rabble-rouser/obfuscatory trouble-making types.

    Strewth! Cop that one! It’s like parading with your akubra hat on! Where do you think you are? Back of beyond?

    Cheers.

    • Replies: @skrik
  167. Alfred says:
    @Curmudgeon

    if the Giardoni rifle were really that simple to operate, beffective and reliable, all gunpowder weapons would have ceased production.

    You overestimate the intelligence of the military. The fact that this airgun did not make a load noise and a small cloud of smoke is a distinct handicap for those obsessed with showing off their power and prowess. It is not as though the design of the 18th century could not be improved upon.

    28 years ago, in Oslo, I tried to explain to the Norwegian uncle of my son the advantages of drones in a future conflict. He was a senior officer in the Norwegian general staff (NATO) at the time. The drones I described to him were feasible to make with the technology of the 1990’s. This smart guy just could not grasp what I was on about.

    With modern materials and an automated pump, a modern version of the Giardoni would be quite useful in certain situations. It would certainly make people very nervous due to its silent operation.

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  168. @Parbes

    It takes one to know one!

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  169. Che Guava says:
    @trickster

    Thank you, Trickster, and I have been saying the same things for months.

    My friend who came to the bar with delicious food and great servings of beverages, week before last, had the same consciousness of reality as thee and me until some time in spring, when she lost it for six or so weeks, staying at home except to buying groceries.

    A good friend, I am happy at her return to sanity.

    We are still supposed to be in a semi-panic, 31 mild cases yesterday.

    That is a shame, but 31 of 11 million?

    It would be nice if returning to a single digit,

  170. @Bombercommand

    I have contempt for people like you especially veterans and soldiers who raped and pillaged in asia, you are a loser and have yellow fever and a pathetic incel.Yellow and white is like oil and water we can never mix.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  171. skrik says:
    @jadan

    Official pronouncements that the virus occurred naturally serve the purpose of stopping a global biological war from developing

    Possibly, but only such pronouncements coming from China. Mainly US&Co blusterers accuse the Chinese of eating ‘bat soup’ etc., and ‘allowing’ disease to jump from animals to humans via ‘wet markets,’ just as was done with SARS-1, alleging that civets were the source – much the same as with SARS-2 and bats, where sure enough, the closest ‘relative’ corona virus genome sequences have been identified. But Forster said that any most recent ‘natural’ common ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 or RmYN02 lies 51.71 years or 37.02 years respectively in the past – that means that to get from there to here, the perpetrators needed some sort of ‘assisted mutation’ environment.

    IF the US&Co had any sort of ‘believable’ evidence to implicate China, we would be swamped by it via the corrupt&venal-MSM, plus ditto-politicians screaming for ‘justice!’ But US&Co have no such evidence, and the psycophants in ‘Western’ science repeat ‘natural made’ as distracting from the obvious [Ft.Detrick, say] origin of SARS-CoV-2. Part repeat: The Chinese jumped, exactly because ‘the bat woman’ and team were fully cognisant of corona viruses, and knew that the PRRA insert was ‘a smoking gun’ = man-made bio-warfare weapon targeted at the heart of China. What the perpetrators didn’t account for was the blow-back hitting the rest of the world in general, not to mention the ‘assisted’ blow-back in Russia and Iran in particular, say. rgds

    • Agree: Herald
  172. Che Guava says:
    @Che Guava

    I reply to myself for clarifying one point.

    As many others, I was against the Olympics bid, and do not like the modern Olympics of now (so many nonsense games, like women’s rugby, many more).

    However, my tax money has already helped to pay for the new facilities that the stupid IOC demands. Especially bad, the still good 1964 stadium, an icon of architecture, is no more.

    So, even though I despise much, we taxpayers have already paid to set it up, it must go ahead. It will be a boost (not enough to offset the costs), if other places want to continue their ‘lock down everyone except rioters and looters’ policy, those
    places can just not participate.

    Simple.

    Would probably make for a better event

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  173. sarz says:
    @Republic

    Without comments ZeroHedge would be just another slanted news and views aggregator.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  174. @eastkekiisawhiteguy

    Your girls disagree with you, and you know it.

  175. @Che Guava

    I don’t care for the Olympic’s either, CG, but I’ve heard Natsuki Mari is designing outfits for the Japanese Team and/or the opening ceremony(media is unclear) and I want to see what she does. Natsuki Mari was fabulous as Lady Tamazuza in that Fukusaku Kenji film, I watch her closeups frame by frame. Japanese actresses from that era rock the world: Ogawa Mayumi(my fav), Hama Yuko, Toake Yukiyo, Nogawa Yumiko, Mita Yoshiko, Baisho Mitsuko, Miyako Chocho, Nobuo Kaneko(sic?), Asaoka Yukiji, Tsubouchi Mikiko, Masayo Mari, Ohkusu Michiyo, Sayo Marima and many others that must go unamed because the credits are so crappy on the DVD releases in N America.

  176. Oliveoilguy says: • Website

    As someone poisoned by Chinese toxic drywall sent to Florida…..I have no trust in anything related to the Chinese government. I loved the pictures of doors welded shut on homes in Wuhan ….and can’t wait to get honest stats out of China some day. Till then I believe this came from a lab .. not a bat.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  177. nier says:

    If you believe china’s reported infection number, you would have to believe china has less infected per capita than hong kong, south korea or japan.

    Hong kong has a population of 7.45million and 1100 infected. CHina has 186 times the population of hong kong, so to match hong kong’s infection rate, china would have 220000 infections.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  178. skrik says:
    @Parfois1

    It’s like parading with your akubra hat on!

    You should talk, “using the Pentagon’s lingo.” Also, isn’t a more ‘apposite’ expression: “Back of Burke?”

    No matter; IF we all agree it’s a murdering plot [mainly but not only] against the ‘oldies’ all over, THEN what can we do to stop it? Kratoklastes once wrote: “The internet exists to destroy bad information. Posting bullshít does not work anymore, …” In these Covid-19 days, surely we need to re-purpose the internet into a countervailing force to combat ‘the murdering uglies,’ eh? rgds

  179. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    They blame jews – blacks – chinese for everything… Sometimes all at the same time.

    Gee…ya think…?

    When did that start…?

    😂 😂 😂

  180. BJ2020 says:
    @Rahan

    Or maybe Occam’s Razor: It is what it is. A Chinese fuck up, or more probably a Chinese attempt to destroy the world’s most robust economy just in time for elections so that Democrats can be put in place to orally service Xi, because we know how much he needs constant political fellatio.

    • Troll: Alfred
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  181. FemCrim says:
    @trickster

    Why doesn’t anyone associate high toll of cases and deaths in US with the refusals to use drugs that worked in earlier countries (at least not until any drug would have been too late)? I thought that was part of the point in declaring a pandemic; that the nations with the earliest cases shared information so later nations could use what had been found to work along with the knowledge that came with it.
    Just confirms that US uses anything and everything possible to a political end. Unfortunately, it usually ends up to our detriment.
    I am starting to get the feeling the US is just as bad of a loser as the democratic party was in 2016. Why can’t we just bow out gracefully before we really piss off the world?

    I have a feeling this is not going to end well, and worse, I’m not even going to have a say in the matter.

    • Replies: @trickster
  182. FemCrim says:
    @trickster

    You are so right. A lady at the grocery store started panicing because she wasn’t 6 ft from the man in front of her. I told her not to worry she would be fine. She then informed me I was not God, and I assured her I was not but when her time did come 6ft would not make one bit of difference. Everyone else in line agreed with me. It gave me hope.

  183. vot tak says:
    @BJ2020

    Ah, new yorker cliches. Just what the zionazi-gay propaganda machine ordered.

    You things are surplus. 😀

  184. denk says:
    @yuribezmenoff

    The Covid-19 and now Covid-20 are scams used as psychological warfare. They use this scam as a political tool to destroy the present world order and usher a totalitarian orvelian NWO on the whole planet. ………………
    Be aware that their aim is not only the takeover of this world, but also the culling of the human population – two thirds of the present population must be wiped out by 2030, according the their program “Agenda 2030′ published by ONU. So, you know now!

    Agreed, but…
    Who’r the most vociferous champion of culling the useless eaters ?

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/#comment-3743459

  185. vot tak says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    “We already know that Word and Windows have back doors, so it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Word was also cooperating in tracking.”

    All microsoft/google/apple sofyware should be considered tainted meat with regard to government surveillance. Put norton anti virus in the same category.

  186. vot tak says:
    @Oliveoilguy

    LOL, shlomo is desperate.

  187. jay says:
    @skrik

    You sure they consider the USA and Europe their own people? I don’t think so.

    • Replies: @skrik
  188. DB Cooper says:
    @Parbes

    Really No Shit is a cow piss drinking open defecating filthy rapey ugly stinky creepy lazy (the Dalai Lama has said openly many times Indians are lazy) dumb as a rock low IQ (average Indian IQ is 76) half evolved Hindoo monkeys. There are a lot of these filthy slumdogs squatting in Hong Kong and the Hong Kong government can’t do anything about it for various reasons and the Hong Kong people have to put up with these filth. Mainland China should help the Hong Kong government kick these filth back to their shithole India. This would be hugly welcome by the Hong Kong people. I can guarantee that.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  189. skrik says:
    @jay

    You sure they consider the USA and Europe their own people?

    Err, perhaps you haven’t been paying strict attention? Kindly re-read the headline: “China Reseeded” – by whom, surely not China itself? Whoever did any reseeding would have to have immunity [to actually get close enough to their targets, spread their ‘pixie-dust’ then get out without detection AND leaving no detectable trace other than virons in aerosol]. Consider here Russia and especially Iran, how could any vector-operative get close enough to Iranian parliamentarians except possibly by some mechanism like [mil.spec=utterly dependable] drones? Not so BTW, I don’t consider Europe to be amongst the perpetrators – except possibly UK = a 5-eyes+1 member. Of course, the immunity-agent has to be secret, and the vector-operatives highly trained; as some next-to-nobody said recently: “there aren’t too many state-based actors who have those capabilities.” rgds

  190. I thought some readers might be interested in this link. The Shanghai Daily posts a listing of the top 60 countries for COVID-19 infections and fatalities, updated daily. Scroll down the page.

    https://www.shine.cn/news/world/2003124144/

    You can’t draw many conclusions from only one day’s chart but some items emerge if you compare the changes for a few days. One is that many countries – Austria, Singapore, Switzerland, have nearly eliminated the virus but can’t seem to shake it entirely, having ten or twenty or 50 new infections daily for many weeks now.

    Many of the Arab countries have high infection rates for their small populations, but very low fatality rates:

    – Saudi Arabia: (35 million pop.) – 167,267 cases, 1,387 deaths

    – Qatar: (3 million pop.) – 90,778 cases, 104 deaths

    – UAE: (10 million pop.) – 46,133 cases, 307 deaths

    – Kuwait: (4 million pop.) – 41,879 cases, 337 deaths

    – Oman: (5 million pop.) – 33,536 cases, 142 deaths

    Some countries – South Korea, Japan, Singapore, have very low death rates but this is not, as the Western media are fond of telling us, that these countries executed exemplary protocols (compared to China who screwed up on everything), but because they were seeded with a haplotype of the virus that was not terribly infectious and seldom lethal. In fact, it would seem the Arab countries were even better than JP, SK and SP in ‘executing exemplary protocols’, but the media won’t talk about them because they aren’t democracies and there is no propaganda value in giving them credit for anything good. So, like China, the Arabs are either just lucky or lying but they didn’t do a good job.

    – Japan: (125 million pop.) – 18,130 domestic cases, 969 deaths

    – South Korea: (50 million pop.) – 12,484 cases, 281 deaths

    – Singapore: (6 million pop.) – 42,623 cases, 26 deaths

    As I mentioned in my article, Sweden is basket case compared to the other Nordic countries (Sweden’s population is about twice that of Denmark and Norway):

    – Sweden: (10 million pop.) – 62,324 cases, 5,209 deaths

    – Denmark: (6 million pop.) – 12,615 cases, 603 deaths

    – Norway: (5 million pop.) – 8,576 cases, 239 deaths

    The Germanic countries, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, have lower death rates than much of Europe, at around 4%, while the UK, France, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have been hammered with a fatality rate of about 15%. I have no detailed information on the specific type of virus in each of those countries and so cannot conclude whether the fatality rate is due to genetic susceptibility or a more malevolent virus.

    Russia also seems to have a virus strain that is enormously infectious but not lethal (death rate .014), while the US and Brazil seem to be in the middle of the pack in this regard (about .05). China’s variety proved plenty lethal, (initially around 15%), but the lockdown stopped the spread and the use of Traditional Chinese Medicine severely reduced the death rates.

    – United States: (330 million pop.) – 2,380,452 cases, 121,969 deaths
    – Brazil: (205 million pop.) – 1,192,474 cases, 53,874 deaths
    – Russia: (145 million pop.) – 606,881 cases, 8,513 deaths
    – China: (1,400 million pop.) – 85,119 cases, 4,647 deaths

    • Thanks: FB
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  191. skrik says:
    @Michael888

    The comparison of the 12/10 nucleotide stretch for the furin cleavage site should be compared between RmYN02 and SARScov2 to see how closely related

    Kindly see my #28 above. rgds

  192. trickster says:
    @FemCrim

    Well some points I would like to make about this “pandemic”, this “deadly killer disease”.

    I have two nephews. One asked me “Uncle Trickster: how come you never get sick and you are twice our age.?”

    The preventative and curative drugs I advised, are the following:

    [MORE]

    1. I walk 5 miles every day regardless of the weather. Two miles on pavement and the other 3 in a conservation area full of hills and paths full of roots, rocks and stones
    2. I exercise 1/2 hour in the morning and again in the afternoon
    3. I use every other opportunity to keep moving (walking up stairs or to the store/ carrying bags of groceries etc
    4. My diet is mainly fruits and vegetables. No flesh products ever
    5. I eat no more than 3 pounds of food a day. My last meal of the day is at 12 noon. On Sundays I eat nothing at all.
    6. Water when I feel thirsty
    7. I refuse to take any drugs whatsoever
    8. I go to sleep at 10 pm every night and rise at 6 am
    9. I dont smoke or drink
    10 I do not use sugar in any form ie no honey etc and no dairy and no tinned/ packaged food

    BULLSHIT, the older one told me ! So he continues to smoke, drink, abuse his body, always in the junk food store, always a soda can in one hand, always with some pill for a headache, constipation etc. Interestingly enough, the younger one who is not so intellectually smart decided to give my criteria a try. As I said to him, what do you have to lose ?

    Now the young fellow has not been sick since 1987. Not even a sniffle. He looks far younger than his age and can do 15-16 hours construction labour, 7 days a week all summer without any sign of fatigue or exertion. His vision is clear, teeth sound and a full head of hair.The older one always has a cold, a sniffle, an ache or pain. He lacks flexibility, already has lower back problems, has a grey pallor and is weak, both mentally and physically. He is already bald with a mouth full of cavities and some missing teeth. From time to time he gets large black heads and cysts full of pus a sure sign his blood is poisoned. He is a disease waiting to happen, a host waiting to welcome some virus.

    I have already proved my modus operandi is wise based on my experimentation on my own body not what the good Doctor said, not what Doctor Oz hypes, not what the experts, bloggers and health magazines tout. I travel a lot and have been to countries where men and women in their late 7o’s are built like Bruce Lee and can work 12 hour shifts doing hard manual labour in the blazing sun. Here is a test for all the big studs who can press 400 pounds at the gym. Try cutting and loading cane all day for the entire harvest season! Why are these people different to the decrepit seniors wandering about our cities on walkers or bedridden in homes at the age of 65 OR LESS ?

    To reinforce my point, anyone can do a simple observation. At the supermarket look at customers in the line and then look at what they are buying. If the cart is full of packaged and junk food they will look sickly, over weight, flabby, obese, bent over, spindly legs, reeking of cigarette smoke or alcohol. Of course many will say I am full of shit BUT the drug and healthcare business runs into the billions per year. How come ?

    Which brings me to the Corona. If people have been defiling their bodies for years, how can it be a mystery to them when they get sick, Why are they surprised that their body and system is so filthy that it is the ideal breeding ground for any and every germ that comes along. The elderly seem more prone because they have been abusing themselves longer.

    When I lived in New York and had very little money, my apartment building not the most elite and was prone to roaches. The landlord could spray all he wanted, residents could also, but the critters kept coming back, bigger and more resilient than ever. I NEVER had that problem in my place. Why ? Because I kept it spotlessly clean. Why would the bugs come to my place ? There was nothing for them there. I further argue, if I run my car on kerosense and use cooking oil in the engine how long before it is a piece of scrap. If this is the case with a machine made of plastic, iron and steel, then what does one expect of such a finely made mechanism as the human body when it is filled with and clogged with crap.

    So I can go anywhere, without a mask, without gloves, touch anything, ignore social distancing, have people cough and sneeze around me, shake my hand and I am absolutely confident I will catch nothing because my blood is clean. If people took care of their health they need never fear disease. But the majority flog their systems thinking and expecting that some drug or a skilled surgeon carving them up and removing body parts will save the day. The billions spent on health care say otherwise. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and so must accept the sure to follow rewards or consequences !

    I know how to stay healthy. It is very simple but requires discipline. We, the highest species and the most advanced civilization, make everything so complicated and thus manufacture complicated traps for our minds and bodies. So many are mentally and physically sick and thus weak, leaving themselves vulnerable to fear and the manipulations of others with not so noble agendas.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  193. skrik says:
    @anon8383892

    As another commenter in this very thread pointed out, many of the more one-dimensional Jew-hating/blaming comments are professional trolls, false flag information warfare

    Funny, but I think this sort of statement may be termed ‘accusing your opponents of doing *exactly* what you yourself do’ = “Blame shifting would likely be the best term that covers it.” rgds

  194. @DB Cooper

    So the dirty panda, stinking rat writes under all sorts of handle … take those Ray Bans off to see whichever image that is in the link to see yourself and your fellow vermin. Once a rat always a rat!

  195. skrik says:
    @Jeff Davis

    Do we have an antidote to this bio-weapon? A vaccine, maybe? No? Isn’t that a problem? Won’t it come back over here and bite us on the ass?

    I thought about this, right back at the beginning, or at least shortly after I became suspicious. Then see my #194 above; IF any rogue-regime a) mutated the ‘hell’ into some RaTG13 analog and added the *unique* PRRA insertion, making SARS-2 at least 10* more infectious than SARS-1, b) released it upon China [accepting a non-zero risk of spreading it to ‘home’] but[1] THEN c) openly deployed the immunity-factor at that home [vaccine OR something like Hydroxychloroquine but actually 100% effectively preventative], well d) doing (c) would blow your own ‘cover!’ But[2], in order to spread the ‘pixie dust,’ the vector-operatives need immunity; a bit circular possibly, but that’s just how it is in the ‘bio-attack’ scenario – always and only IMHO. So to answer the Q:

    “and bite us on the ass?”

    I would suggest the old Tonto to Lone Ranger riposte: “What do you mean by ‘us,’ whiteman?” rgds

  196. Che Guava says:

    I must sleep.

    Cinema of japan, once great, is usually mediocre now.

    From the 80s to early 2000s, japan was making much, to my mind, very good weird cinema, also good normal cinema. So great from late 40s to that time.

    As a late example, I would recommend the 2004 live version of Cutie Honey, starring Eriko Sato (if you have not seen it).

    Also, for the best of the weird, and an industrial masterpiece, Tetsuo.

    I am hardly watching TV at all now (sumo excepted), but I enjoyed what I saw of NHK’s period drama about a girl falling in love with sewing machines and western fashion. Those dramas all have a common template in parts, especially at the end of the war, but it is generally much like tales from those who were experiencing it.

    Another you may not know of, I think Kurosawa Akira’s first feature film, 一番美しく, of meaning ‘the most beautiful’, it has a special resonance for me, I was working for some years at the place it was set (and much later).

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  197. @Che Guava

    Japanese cinema 1945-1974 is the greatest on the planet, tough times for the Japanese people, great time for Art. Even with the usually truncated and crappy English subtitles they are profound, the only cinema that has moved me to tears. For “Samurai” films give me: the Katsu Shintaro “Zatoichi” series, his brother Wakayama Tomisaburo’s “Lone Wolf And Cub” series and Ikehiro(director) “Mikomagi No Jokichi” series, and “Bohachi Bushido The Forgotten Eight” shows what a genius Japanese director can create on an ultra-low low budget. For something arty Imamura Shohei’s “Profound Desire Of The Gods”(AKA Kurageshima/Legend Of A Southern Island). Misumi Kenji should be studied by any aspiring director, he can put two and a half hours of cinema into ninety minutes and is a master in the use of music and creation of luminous images with unsurpassed color design. My Mom loves the 1950’s musicals….all for now, there is so much more…

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  198. Avery says:
    @Curmudgeon

    {Trump didn’t win because he was a great candidate. He won because Hildebeast was so awful.}

    You are correct: partially.

    You are correct in that people hated The Hildabeast. (…..except on both coasts, where she garnered the most popular vote: no surprise. Exhibit A: Seattle and the CHOP Town.) But Trump had something else that resonated with people: as you pointed out, he was playing to packed venues.

    People hated The Hildabeast, but they (theoretically) had other choices besides Trump.
    Republican presidential candidates: Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Scott Walker.

    People chose Trump from all the other Republican looooosers, because he has something that resonates with people.

  199. glib says:
    @Jeff Davis

    The antidote exists. It is a strong immune system. A majority of people have a weakened immune system due to a vitamin D deficiency (90%+ in developed countries). And if you have good levels, you will not die. See Ref. 25 in the following link

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/06/08/cnn-coronavirus-vitamin-d.aspx

  200. dux.ie says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    Most of the SARSCoV2 research papers cited data from the public GISAID dataset which genetically group the global samples into 5 clades, 19A, 19B, 20A, 20B and 20C. Clades 19A and 19B are mainly in the Pacific Rim regions like Japan, Korea, Chian, Singapore, USA.California which have low fatality rate. The Atlantic rim regions including CongoDR are dominated by the clades 20A, 20B and 20C which the below charts show are the killer clades. The higher the % of clade 19s the lower the per capita fatality rates, the higher the % of clade 20s the higher the fatality rate. The best contrast is between NY and CA in the same country.

    The new imported Beijing virus through the frozen salmons has been shown to be from clade 20B, China only have that from importation from elsewhere.

  201. @FvS

    So you say that dogs are a tool to be used by humans in the first two and a pet for the last one. Pigs once were used to clean up sewage in cities. And many people have “pet” pigs. But that still doesn’t answer concisely why eating a pig is ok and a dog is not ok. Simply because it is emotion and not based off of anything related to sense or right and wrong.

  202. donut says:
    @Kratoklastes

    What is this ?

    Doing this will open the mail client, but won’t do anything else because it can’t hit ‘Send’. A slightly ‘smarter’ version would actually be able to set up recipients, and mimic hitting ‘Send’ on the new e-mail payload. And then delete the Sent mail, of course.

    .

    This can be done either ‘on the fly’ with Javascript (likely to be a client-level thing), or using a 301 (redirect) at the server level.

    Since it’s happening to a subset of users, it’s obviously ‘client side’ in this case – which means that some users have been victims of a browser exploit at some stage.

    This is relatively easy to do in a ‘drive by’ – where a site is set up to install malicious JS the moment a user lands on the site. Drive-bys usually infect a plugin/extension with known vulnerabilities – e.g., Flash Player.

    Since everyone knows about CVE-2020-0041 (the Chrome ‘sandbox’ exploit and credential escalation), users with unpatched browsers and stored SMTP credentials (or using open SMTP relays, like GMail) are basically lining up to be part of an email botnet… although frankly mass-email botnets are well past its use-by date (these days, people don’t even use browser hijacks to use the device as part of a crypto-mining botnet… it’s not worth the effort).

    .

    Don’t be too hard on yourself: datasec is hard.

    Ask the folks who just had millions of documents liberated, despite spending a total of hundreds of million of dollars on security. (“The folks“… that would be “hundreds of US law enforcement agencies“, and the “millions of documents” goes by the name of “Blueleaks“. Fucking amateurs)

  203. chinoche says:

    The Anglo-Zionists NeoCons laid out the strategy against China, “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.” The Project for a New American Century, Rebuilding America’s Defenses (September 2000)
    Written and supported by people not living in caves but embedded within our government like John Bolton, Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz. The same document called for a new Pearl Harbor, a catalyzing event that can bring revolutionary change in US foreign policy – one of intervention and occupation. That event was 9/11 which then ushered in the War on Terror. All are on the basis of Lies.
    The same methods used to blame the Arabs and Muslims for 9/11 are being used against the China for Covid 19. Both were 9/11 and Covid Pandemic were false flag operations. The media including the Deep State uses ideation methods early on to convince the public that the Covid 19 virus came from the Wuhan Lab or Wuhan market without proof.
    This is part of the hybrid war against China – use the virus as a weapon to stop China’s rise and then blame China for the virus. Romanoff raises relevant issues to show the US imperialist narrative is false. The lack of spread of the virus in China, the variations of the virus showing up at different parts of the world simultaneously and the earlier timeline in the different countries shows China was not the source.

  204. @Jiminy

    Funny because in initial quality studies by JD Power… The GM factory that produces Buicks in China (Buicks biggest market) was given the highest award of any of their factories in the world.

    https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2020-initial-quality-study-iqs

    As to “expected to divulge proprietary secrets”…. ummmm – that’s part of the WTO rules. developing nations indeed could require tech transfer and joint ventures…. it wasn’t the Chinese who wrote the rules. maybe it was those who felt guilty about “operation paper clip” where they appropriated German technology… or maybe because others remembered when the new upstart across the atlantic stole european tech.. so they all just wanted to make it legal – huh..?

  205. Che Guava says:
    @Bombercommand

    The Singing Policeman, the 1964(?) take on Kwaidan (the more recent version is no good, the old one a true masterpiece), both of those are must-sees.

    I agree with your timespan, but earlier and later are also very interesting. Up to the mid-00s. After that, generally boring.

    The Jewish movie ‘James and the Real Girl’ (which I do not want to see) is a copy of a Japanese original, I am forgetting the title, but it was great to watch it on the big screen.

    I think you may be able to track it down from the cues.

    Regards, if I want to go to the music show tonight, I will closing here.

  206. denk says:
    @yuribezmenoff

    The Covid-19 and now Covid-20 are scams used as psychological warfare. They use this scam as a political tool to destroy the present world order and usher a totalitarian orvelian NWO on the whole planet

    ‘ They want the Anglo-Saxons to be doing it. They don’t want the Chinese to be doing it.

    They get the Chinese out of the way first, and then the Anglo-Saxons will inherit this “new world,”

    China will catch a cold. Those were their words: China will catch a cold. And they were laughing about the fact that these biological weapons will wreak havoc among the Chinese population.

    After that, then what effectively will be a kind of plague will actually spread right across the world to the West as well’

    http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_en.html

    • Agree: FB
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  207. Che Guava says:
    @Bombercommand

    I was having slight stroke (heat) today. Fell over at the peak.

    Don’t worry, i was drinking much water later.

    No fun. I let down the band I made a booling for, and worse, the first of the live venues to have genuinely re-opened.

    Oh well, heat stroke will have its way.

  208. @Alfred

    It is not as though the design of the 18th century could not be improved upon.

    It has been. CO2 cartridges are an improvement. I can attest they kill squirrels very effectively and could likely kill a human with the right shot. Compressed air tools like nail guns are also an improvement. I’m a big fan of compressed air.
    The problem has been the delay in development of the improvement on larger scale weapons than BB guns and CO2 pellet guns to make them viable. I think it’s too late at this point, as lasers, sound, and other electronic methods are being developed.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  209. Herald says:
    @Sulu

    The level of credibility of authors on this site is in precipitous decline.

    Whereas the very smart commenters, like your very clever self, are a joy to behold.

  210. Drigh says:

    Interesting article. The issue of Fort Detrick came up in Febriary or March, but the US MSM gave up on it quickly. EVen when Italy reported that the makeup of their virus was different than the Chinese Wuhan one, none of the big english news services followed up on that.
    Can only say that what goes around comes around, so beware.

  211. Something to keep in mind …

    The IMF updated their April forecast recently:

    • World GDP declined 4.9%

    • France, Italy, Spain declined 12%

    • UK declined 10%

    • Germany and USA declined 8%

    • Russie declined 7%

    • Japan declined 6%

    • China increased 1%

  212. @nier

    That is poor analysis. Hong Kong is a city in China. But because – unlike what Pompeo says – they largely do their own thing – they took less aggressive measures. You don’t compare a city to an entire nation. You compare it to other cities that are similar. In most cases cities have higher infection rates than rural areas. When you compare all cities in East Asia – they are fairly similar. Those who were less restrictive had higher rates (of course not counting Wuhan).
    China has 10 times the population of Japan and even more times the population of South Korea. What mainland China and South Korea did is similar.. So because China is so many times bigger – it is not surprising it’s rates are somewhat lower. If you compare Taiwan and Fujian Province – right across the Strait – they have similar numbers… Which makes sense because that is comparing like to like.

  213. vot tak says:

    Seen this yet?

    Covid-19 was in Spanish sewage as early as MARCH 2019, study claims

    https://www.rt.com/news/493085-covid-spain-march-2019-sewage/

    “Scientists with the Enteric Virus Group at the University of Barcelona detected the presence of the virus in frozen samples of the city’s wastewater collected as early as March 12, 2019. The group, led by Rosa Maria Pintó and Albert Bosch, was exploring the potential of wastewater analysis in early warning systems and the prevention of future Covid-19 outbreaks when it made the surprise discovery.

    Initially, the team found the virus in samples dated January 15, 2020 – some 41 days before the first confirmed case of Covid-19 in Spain. They decided to check earlier samples, taken between January 2018 and December 2019, and all proved negative “except for the one from March 12, 2019, in which the SARS-CoV-2 levels were very low but were clearly positive,” the team said in a statement, using the official name of the virus.

    The researchers came to the conclusion that the virus might have spread around the world much earlier than initially thought.

    “Barcelona receives many visitors for tourist or professional reasons,” said Borsch. “It is more than likely that a similar situation has occurred in other parts of the world.”

    But keep in mind it is well known among the zionazi-gay information bureau, and their numerous volunteers, that the waste water from the “Wuhan biowarfare lab” drains directly into the Barcelona sewage system.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  214. vot tak says:
    @Curmudgeon

    “I’m a big fan of compressed air.”

    No surprise there….

    😀

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  215. dux.ie says:
    @vot tak

    I have been wondering about that before. Spain has many of the senior age (early generation) SARSCoV2 samples in the GISAID dataset. I have avoided labeling them as SpanishFLu. The strange thing is that there is considerable overlap of the clade profiles for Spain and China, unusual for a European country that does not have obvious link with China like Greece or Italy which have negligible clade 19B WuFlu component (relabelled as to GISAID explicit assertion that the May clade B is the June clade 19B, even though clade 19A is the dominant clade in China as well as many other Asia Pacific countries). With more data it might be possible to show that clade 19B might be originated in Spain, i.e. if the Italian also can find earlier dated sample than what they currently have. The MaxAge (earliest genetic generation, not date of collection) for all clades GISAID sample is from Italy (but from Clade 20A, hence the LombardFlu). In the GISAID April dataset US has the MaxAge sample whose presence was confirmed in the Mt. Sinai paper on New York but that data together with many other senior age US data mysteriously disappeared from later dataset.

    • Replies: @skrik
  216. @Bombercommand

    Better than Citations from MSM like NY Times , Washington Post et al – -don’t you think?
    This article is well set out & verifiable — and very believable. USA is an evil empire!

  217. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    clade 19A is the dominant clade in China

    Could you please explain this clade system with respect to these two diagrams, namely Forster et al.’s result in ‘graphic’ form:

    and on this website? Note that each diagram ‘points’ to a bat [as a putative ‘closest known precursor relative’], although Forster has said a) this ‘out ref’ is only indicative and could just as easily be pangolin or some other = no difference to his analysis and b) any most recent ‘natural’ common ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 or RmYN02 lies 51.71 years or 37.02 years respectively in the past. No matter; my point here is that Forster named the earliest SARS-CoV-2 he identified as ‘strain A’ and said the most common form in Wuhan is ‘strain B,’ and on the genometracker diagram, the closest to any nominal bat strain is H2 followed by H13. If it would be an easier ‘explanation,’ could you point me/us to a ‘tutorial’ so that we may better understand your rather ‘technical’ posts? Thanks in advance. rgds

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  218. @vot tak

    Don’t get near me after I’ve eaten onions. You’ve been warned!

  219. Kim YK says:

    South Korea Re-seed, too

  220. The certain market of a planned event is a huge shift in wealth. “Pattern Recognition”.

  221. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    > Could you please explain this clade system

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

    Most researchers have their own criteria for grouping the samples. Forsters groups them in 3 clades, i.e. A, B, C whereas GISAID groups them into 5 clades, i.e. 19A, 19B, 20A, 20B and 20C. Even GISAID/Nextstrain also changes from their April classification of 11 clades to current 5 clades. Anyway the mapping between the two systems,

    ForstersClade|GISAIDClade|N
    A|19B|27
    B|19A|50
    B|20A|1
    B|20B|1
    C|19A|12

    Forsters’ work is early and used only 160 samples whereas GISAID is current using more that 3 thousands samples, in another words Forsters’ resutls are outdated. For example he only had one sample each of GISAIDClades 20A and 20B and none for 20C. GISAIDClade 20s are currently very important as they are the dominant killer clades for Europe and America, the higher the % of clade 20s the higher the per capita fatality, like Italy (93%) and NY (90%). As you can see Forsters’ results are so out of date to interpret current situations. For example, the Swedish ‘let it rip’ strategy had allowed new killer clade 20C to evolve from the Swedish cesspool which has the earliest sample (genetic age) and most of the senior age samples, and is the dominant clade in Sweden. 55% of the SARSCoV2 in NY is clade 20C SwedeFlu.

    Since the ‘Africa Origin Orange’ politicized the alleged source of the virus, many researchers already self censored the submission of older age (earlier generation) samples. For example from the May GISAID/Nextstrain dataset the net results from the USA subset gave NEGATIVE mutation rate, USA must have discovered the fountain of youth.

    • Replies: @skrik
  222. 226.dux.ie says:

    Thank you for the post and the useful information, but I have serious questions about some of the data.

    The chart shows China as being hit 60% by Type A, 30% with Type B and 2% with Type C. The C is correct, but the tiny bit that hit Guangdong was A, not B, but your chart shows Guangdong as roughly equal with A and B of roughly 50% each. I don’t believe that is correct.

    More importantly, The type that hit Wuhan (which was more than 95% of all China’s cases) was not Type A but Type B. And there is no dispute about that, so either I am badly misunderstanding the chart (which I hope is the case), or else someone is inadvertently or otherwise cherry-picking the data and the chart misrepresents the situations for many countries.

    Also, the chart shows Denmark as being hit with Type C to the same extent as was Sweden, but that cannot be true because Type C seems to have been much more lethal and Denmark’s death rate is only around 10% that of Sweden, which circumstance is not entirely accounted for by the differences in the political management of the outbreak.

    Also, the proportions of A, B, and C for Iceland, Germany and the UK make no sense.

    Do you have further explanations about precisely who prepared this data, and their nationalities?

    Or, if I’m totally off-base for some reason, would you mind informing me of my error?

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  223. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    Thanks for your response, following your “nextstrain” cite I looked at:

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

    .. where I can see a pictorial of the 19A, 19B, 20A, 20B & 20C clades,

    but in contrast:

    https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/

    .. where I can see a pictorial of something different, namely G, GR, GH, O then S, L & V clades. No matter [and these pictorials are not telling me much], now my Q about Forster’s A, B & C is clarified, but I return to Forster; his work may well be ‘outdated’ but was he correct with his “A being the ancestral type according to the bat outgroup”, now GISAID’s 19B and if not, could that be explained by at that time them having ‘insufficient data?’ Again no matter [water under the bridge], now I’m interested in your ‘killer clade’ classification, your analysis indicates that SARS-CoV-2 is becoming more deadly, hardly a ‘good look?’

    Lets us consider a different theme; it seems to me that Wuhan reacted with horror [possibly due to finding the PRRA insert] then moved effectively to suppress the virus, Italy, Spain and to a certain extent France were surprised [then quickly became overloaded], but notably the so-called ‘democracies,’ led by US, UK, Sweden then others initially reacted hardly at all. The ‘standard narrative’ was ‘Oh, it’s only the flu.’ Have their so-called ‘leaders’ possibly made themselves criminally liable? rgds

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  224. @denk

    This reads like there might be a far deadlier virus on the way. With longer incubation period and more infectious. So the world will be fucked before it even realizes.

    • Replies: @denk
  225. Vidi says:
    @Nixon Scraypes

    Don’t viruses mutate anyway? See science direct.com ~ covid in France in December. Also an acquaintance of mine had a horrible virus in December in England.

    Yes, viruses mutate frequently. But zillions of mutations are possible. What are the chances that two random strains of coronavirus should become lethal to humans at about the same time and in precisely the countries (China and Iran) that Americans are currently wetting their pants over?

    I am sure the Chinese government understands this but they prefer not to say it, as an official acknowledgement that they are in a biowar would force them into responding — and they don’t want World War 3. Most of the world also doesn’t want WW3, so we should commend the Chinese for their fortitude and restraint.

  226. The lockdowns are passive murder. I do not believe that they will attempt it again because the majority of the medical and scientific communities have acknowledged that Covid is no more fatal than the seasonal flu, that the tests are extremely inaccurate, that the vaccines are unnecessary, and that the lockdown caused far greater health threats than corona flu.

    The power brokers are out of options and are frantically grasping at straws in order to maintain credibility and their power.

    These desperate futile attempts have only resulted in the escalation of their own demise, including financing the terrorist organization BLMGN, with Weather Underground convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg recieving donations from BLMGN, which were funneled to Act Blue, and then to Thousand Currents which Rosenberg is a board member of. 

    There are alt right journalists demanding race wars, civil wars, and another Jewish Holocaust. 

    They have perhaps been contracted by a European bank to call for such insanity as a “solution!” 

    If that were to occur in America, foreign militaries would be here yesterday! 

    The world did not tolerate Germany or Hitler attempting it, and the world will not tolerate America and Trump or Biden attempting it! 

    They are desperate as hell! European bankers are begging the Chinese to further open their financial markets to Europeans, because the Europeans know that they cannot economically compete with China without severely lowering their standard of living. The Europeans are being discovered for how manipulative they actually are, hopefully by their own citizens! 

    The Europeans are caught between a rock and a hard spot with both Russia and China, after their two-faced behavior thankfully might be leading Trump to abandon Europe militarily, because, let’s face it! We simply can’t afford to do it, or take the heat for being blamed for being their lynch men. Their currencies have been heading north, but I don’t know how that will end up, or how long it will last for!

  227. dux.ie says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    > or else someone is inadvertently or otherwise cherry-picking the data

    The data submitted voluntarily by global researchers and that go through serveral stages. First it is a full sequencing of the RNA which requires resources and the researchers will only pick interesting cases not random samples. And if too many similar sequences are already in the dataset they might not submit them. Then the politicizing of the source of the virus that means many researchers from some countries (including China) self censored submitting earlier generation data. As I said before the net results are that some countries dataset will give negative mutation rates calculated using the method by Forsters.

    I have been fast and loose calling it the GISAID dataset. The real GISAID dataset is only available to university researchers, a subset of that are available through Nextstrain. I dont know how Nextstrain select the subset and I have doubt about them previously. For example the April classification split them into 10 clades and among the 10 clade A2a was the most lethal and the MaxAge (earliest genetic generation) sample was from US and hence I promptly lebelled that as YankFlu, and that together with a bunch of senior age US A2a samples were missing in the May dataset (so I dropped the YankFlu labelling),

    ### 2020-04-18 dataset
    Age | Clade | Strain
    99 | A2a | USA/NY-NYUMC12/2020 <– Global Clade A2a MaxAge, missing in May 08
    90 | A2a | USA/NY-NYUMC65/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    88 | A2a | USA/NY-PV08449/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    85 | A2a | USA/NY-NYUMC58/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    84 | A2a | USA/NY-PV08109/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    82 | A2a | USA/NY-NYUMC67/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    82 | A2a | USA/NY-PV08500/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    82 | A2a | USA/NY-PV08434/2020 <– Missing in May 08
    80 | A2a | USA/NY-PV08432/2020 <– Hurray!! Present in May 08
    80 | A2a | USA/NY-NYUMC25/2020 <– Hurray!! Present in May 08

    87 | A2a | Italy/TE4953/2020 <– Italy MaxAge
    86 | A2a | Italy/TE6195/2020 <– present in May 08
    80 | A2a | Italy/UniMI03/2020 <– present in May 08
    80 | A2a | Italy/TE4880/2020 <– present in May 08

    19 | A2a | NanChang/JX216/2020 <– China MaxAge, sole sample, present in May 08

    Of these the missing USA/NY-NYUMC12/2020, USA/NY-NYUMC65/2020, USA/NY-PV08449/2020, USA/NY-NYUMC58/2020, USA/NY-PV08109/2020, USA/NY-NYUMC67/2020, USA/NY-PV08500/2020 and USA/NY-PV08434/2020 are in the supplementary dataset accompanying the paper that used the April 1 dataset,

    https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.04.15.20064931
    "Sequencing identifies multiple, early introductions of SARS-CoV2 to New York City Region"

    So those above missing samples are real and not a figment of imagination. Out of the 85 NY samples cited in the paper, the last time I looked only about 22 samples remained.

    In the June dataset the old clade A2a is split into clades 20A, 20B and 20C, erasing the dominance of the USA data and intensifying the effects of the sources from Italy and Sweden.

    But that are the best more detailed genetic data we have open to the public.

  228. Vidi says:
    @anon

    Another way of looking at that same set of facts, plus the fact that China is playing catch up in Biological Warfare with legacy empires of English-Zion and Russia; the fact that Chinese scientist are engaged in China and elsewhere working on “BioDefense”, merely indicate an emerging empire is making rookie mistakes and having unintended releases. You can be sure the legacy empires had their little accidents when they started making Biological Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    Your theory, that the recent pathogen outbreaks are caused by China making “rookie mistakes” with lethal agents, does not explain how Iran got so precisely targeted with Covid-19. You might try to explain this by saying that Chinese workers brought the virus to Qom, but then you would also have to explain why Pakistan, which has even more Chinese workers, has not been so badly hit.

    So why does the coronavirus happen to be much more lethal in a country that Trump has been tormenting than it is in Pakistan, a country that The Donald is not bullying?

  229. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    > having ‘insufficient data?’

    Forsters’ data are before early March, most of the early clade 20s are detected and submited since late March,

    2020-06-03 dataset
    Rank| Age|Clade|Collection|Country|Strain
    1| 101|20A|2020-04-27|Italy|Italy/TE26425/2020
    2| 99|20A|2020-05-10|Belgium|Belgium/ULG-10182/2020
    3| 98|20A|2020-03-24|Belgium|Belgium/PM-0324144/2020
    4| 97|20A|2020-04-09|France|France/OCC-18/2020
    5| 96|20A|2020-03-08|Spain|Spain/Madrid_LP23_5852/2020
    6| 95|20A|2020-04-29|Australia|Australia/VIC1495/2020
    6| 95|20A|2020-04-15|France|France/GE6058/2020
    6| 95|20A|2020-03-12|France|France/GE2722/2020
    6| 95|20A|2020-04-02|France|France/IDF4791/2020
    10| 93|20A|2020-03-10|France|France/HF2239/2020
    10| 93|20A|2020-03-14|Finland|Finland/14M16/2020
    10| 93|20A|2020-04-03|Austria|Austria/Graz-MUG6/2020

    But the most important is that the fatality trends of the clades 20s are totally different from that of clades 19A and 19B (or Forsters’ A, B and C).

    > ‘killer clade’ classification

    Clades 19A and 19B are mainly in the Pacific Rim regions like Japan, Korea, Chian, Singapore, USA.California which have low fatality rate. The Atlantic rim regions are dominated by the clades 20A, 20B and 20C which the below charts show are the killer clades. The higher the % of clade 19s the lower the per capita fatality rates, the higher the % of clade 20s the higher the fatality rate.

    The lockdown strategy is a two-edge sword. If implemented early that can eliminate the virus. Late implementation or ‘let it rip’ will created the cesspools that allow new clade to develop and they are more virulent because they are born out of restrictions and they have affinity for people that created them, mostly Europeans. For example clade 20s cannot gain a foothold in Singapore however for Beijing there are people with ancient northern Chinese ancestry and with blood group A (like most Europeans) they are susceptible. In particular clade 20A has soft lockdown and quarantine busting ability, they are highly asymptomatic.

    The labelling of clades 19A and 19B is swapped as the dominant clade in China is clade 19A but later Nextstrain explicitly stated that 19B was from old clade B so I swapped them back.

    • Replies: @skrik
  230. Vidi says:
    @jadan

    If the thesis of the article is correct than there will be no end to this pandemic or a new one that follows or develops concurrently.

    Well, it’s conceivable that the perpetrators could die from one of the viruses they unleashed.

    Official pronouncements that the virus occurred naturally serve the purpose of stopping a global biological war from developing. This was an accidental release.

    That is my view.

    The quick and effective response of the Chinese is explained by the fact that they knew what they were dealing with. They did not create massive new medical infrastructure in just two weeks because they were guessing what they were up against. They knew what they were dealing with because they developed it and it got out of hand.

    That could explain why Wuhan got hit so hard, but not why Qom was targeted so precisely. Why Iran’s holy city specifically and not some other country with even closer ties to China, such as Pakistan?

    • Replies: @skrik
  231. Vidi says:
    @Cowboy

    Is Unz hiding under his bed again? Didn’t he predict like 10 million Americans dead by now?

    The high predictions were made before any US lockdown and assumed that the US would refuse to do the sensible thing. That almost happened.

    As it turned out, many Americans decided to isolate themselves before some states instituted lockdowns. The American people are often far more sensible than their leaders.

  232. Vidi says:
    @Gerhard57NL

    “By May 2020, China had the situation under control and no more contaminations were reported”. This is not what news channels like NTD report. Look at their “China in focus” bulletins on YouTube. According to those, China has been in serious trouble since December last year, especially in Wuhan and Beijing. The Chinese Communist Party hides these facts and reports to the outside world that all is hunky dory. It would seem that Mr. Romanoff has obediently gathered CCP data.

    NTD is New Tang Dynasty, a purveyor of Falun Gong propaganda. The Falun Gong, in turn, is a front for the CIA.

  233. 231.No Friend Of The Devil says: June 29, 2020 at 12:25 am

    “The lockdowns are passive murder. . . . the majority of the medical and scientific communities have acknowledged that Covid is no more fatal than the seasonal flu, that the tests are extremely inaccurate, that the vaccines are unnecessary, and that the lockdown caused far greater health threats than corona flu.”

    I’m sorry to say this, but all of the above claims are false in their entirety. Not a shred of truth in any of them.

    I lived through the lockdown in Shanghai, and it was no more than a temporary inconvenience, as many others can testify. And Shanghai, with a population of more than 25 million, had only 26 infections and 7 deaths. New York, with much less population and who didn’t lock down, had around 400,000 cases and more than 30,000 deaths. To refer to a lockdown as “passive murder” is obscene. It is the US and America’s great friend Bolsonaro in Brazil who are engaging in passive muder.

    There has been no “acknowledgement” that COVID-19 is “no more fatal than the seasonal flu”. New York had a death rate of nearly 10%; many European countries have a fatality rate of 15% or higher. To date worldwide, there have been more than 10 million infections and more than 500,000 deaths. No “seasonal flu” has done this. Those making these claims are not medical experts but sociopaths with the same agenda as you apparently have.

    For you to say that “the lockdown caused far greater health threats than corona flu” is not only factually wrong but dangerous and also obscene.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @anonimo11
  234. Vidi says:
    @DB Cooper

    @DB Cooper

    O slave of the Anglo Zionist Empire, do you ever stop working for the Empire, spreading their lies? Today you are inciting hatred between India and China; a few weeks ago, between Japan and China. What next?

  235. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    Thanks again for your response.

    The labelling of clades 19A and 19B is swapped as the dominant clade in China is clade 19A

    No doubt any label-swapping is made with good intentions, and I see that you are moving with the tide = observing current developments. Here is a quote:

    “Given the seriousness of the ongoing SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, it is imperative that all efforts be made to identify the original source of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. In particular, it will be important to establish whether COVID-19 is due to a completely natural chance occurrence where a presumed bat virus was transmitted to humans via an intermediate animal host or whether COVID-19 has alternative origins. This information will be of paramount importance to help prevent any similar human coronavirus outbreak in the future.”

    That comes from a new-ish paper titled “In silico comparison of spike protein-ACE2 binding affinities across species; significance for the possible origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus” – but no matter; it shows that seemingly little to no progress has been made vis-à-vis any ‘true’ SARS-CoV-2 origin. But in this pursuit, I go back to Forster (100 early sequences) and genometracker (2334 isolates). Both link from a bat sequence, specifically RatG13, also mentioned in “In silico comparison of spike …” Both show a putative ‘ancestral’ form, both different from that which predominates in China. “In silico” mentions “China’s only BSL4 facility” in what may be termed an insinuationary way. The paper also discusses “a recombination event that occurred inadvertently or consciously in a laboratory” as a possible origin-step. Now, you mention “the ‘Africa Origin Orange’ politicized the alleged source” plus “those above missing samples are real” – it seems to me, many ‘indicators’ are all pointing one-way, like such resulting on/from 9/11. rgds

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  236. skrik says:
    @Vidi

    1st:

    This was an accidental release.
    That is my view

    2nd:

    That could explain why Wuhan got hit so hard, but not why Qom was targeted so precisely.

    Self-contradictory. rgds

  237. Vidi says:

    Self-contradictory.

    Why?

    • Replies: @skrik
  238. skrik says:
    @Vidi

    Because

    accidental release

    conflicts with

    Qom was targeted so precisely

    • Replies: @Vidi
  239. Vidi says:
    @skrik

    Because “accidental release” conflicts with “Qom was targeted so precisely”

    I see. Well, if you go back and read my comment (link), you will see that I actually pointed out that specific contradiction. So I was wondering why you think the contradiction was contradictory.

    • Replies: @Vidi
  240. Vidi says:
    @Vidi

    I think I can clear up the confusion.

    To quote Jaden, “Official pronouncements that the virus occurred naturally serve the purpose of stopping a global biological war from developing. This was an accidental release.” I agreed with that, in the sense that a natural accident — a thunderstorm, for example — is not anybody’s fault.

    Jaden went on to claim that Covid-19 was a human accident, that the Chinese acted so effectively because they were working on the virus and had a fire extinguisher ready. I disagreed with that. A human mistake leading to the accidental release of the coronavirus would have affected the world at random, and would not have hit the Shia holy city (Qom) with great precision.

    • Replies: @skrik
  241. JamesinNM says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    The NWO has a wide range of chemical, biological, and energy weapons of varying lethality ready to use to kill people all over the world. The NWO and their weapons must be eliminated.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  242. FB says: • Website
    @Larry Romanoff

    Of course this fool is a nutcase…Covid is nothing like the flu…talk to a doctor that has treated Covid patients…

    People like this really get on my nerves…

  243. @JamesinNM

    “Major world powers, new and old, also face a novel reality: while the lethality of their military might be greater than ever, their capacity to impose control over the politically awakened masses of the world is at a historic low.”

    To put it bluntly, in earlier times, it was easier to control one million people, than to physically kill one million people; today it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people. [emphasis mine] – former US National Security Advisor to Pres. Carter, Co-Founder of the Trilateral Commission, Zbigniew Brzezinski, speech to Chatham House, London 17 November, 2008

    … and from US Senator Barry Goldwater who spent years in the US Senate, was an officer in the USAF and kept a private Alpha File that candidly recorded his private encounters with Kennedy, Carter, and other world leaders:

    “The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation for the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power: political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future.” – ‘With No Apologies’, US Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964

    NOTE: The Trilateral Commission was founded by David Rockefeller and zionist Brzezinski.

  244. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    > I go back to Forster

    If you map the two Forster’s most early gen samples to the Nextstrain May phylogeny tree you will find that there are now many samples outside the branch that contains the two Forster’s most early gen samples, i.e. the most recent common ancestor MRCA nominated by Forster is not the MRCA for those new samples, Forster’s data are out of date. Forster’s results are even self inconsistent when map onto the more recent finer grain Nextstrain data, the Forster clade B MRCA is also outside that branch. Incidentally it can be shown that Forster’s data are the total super-set of Yu’s data and Yu pointed the origin to USA. At this stage I have no firm belief on either.

    (The hosting site does not allow large chart)

    Now look at the early phylogeny tree from Bedford who blew the whistle on COVID19 in Washingston state. From the raw data he provided rather than from the graphics, the earliest human sample was from USA. Again his early results are also out of date.

    https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/sars-like-cov?c=host

    |–NODE_0000008 <– Most Recent Common Ancestor MRCA to Bat/RaTG13, Pangolin/Guangdong and Human/SARSCov2
    |—NODE_0000009
    |—-pangolin/Guangdong/1/2020 <— Pangolin
    |—-pangolin/Guangdong/P2S/2019 <— Pangolin
    |—NODE_0000010
    |—-bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013 <— Bat !!
    |—-NODE_0000011 <— Most Recent Human Common Ancestor ??
    |—-|USA/TX1/2020 *FA <— Bedford’s earliest candidate
    |—-|NODE_0000012
    |—-|-USA/AZ1/2020 #YA *FA <— Bedford’s second earliest candidate
    |—-|-NODE_0000013
    |—-|–USA/IL1/2020 <— Bedford’s third earliest candidate
    |—-|–NODE_0000014
    |—-|—NODE_0000015
    |—-|—-Wuhan/IPBCAMS-WH-01/2019 #YC *FB <– Wuhan later genetic strain
    |—-|—-Japan/KY-V-029/2020 #YC *FB

    FA=Forster's clade A, YA=Yu's clade A, etc.

    Only peole with certain agenda will insist on using out of date data which have been invalidated with more recent data and ignored the other part of the results, especially when Forster asserted two early generation samples, one from China and the other from USA.

    Incidentally with back of the envelop calculation, Forster’s non-Asia and the pooled tMRCA is around the time of the Wuhan World Military Games. The 95% CI from the Nextstrain Jun data even stretch back to 2019 April (c.f. the Spanish data of 2019 March) but I am not that confident with that date because of the possibility of white anting of the data.

    • Replies: @skrik
  245. anonimo11 says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    the mortality rates you quote are incorrect. And that is because they are CFR, and depend on test availability (and not only that). You should quote IFR, the fraction of people who have been exposed to the virus and have died. Those numbers are much closer to 0.3% (a compendium of 60+ papers is linked below).

    I will also object to the extravagant numbers like New York. If you force nursing home to take patients in, you are effectively doing something that has never been done, where the healthy are quarantined, and the people at risk are exposed. As it was, nation wide (in the USA) the highest mortalities were all in states with forced inoculations. Nursing homes are only 6% of elderly but they were close to 50% of deaths. In Europe also the highest mortalities were accompanied with some sort of nursing homes mishaps, including Sweden, but particularly Lombardy and Spain.

    Finally, there is the long standing discrepancy between the extravagant number of covid death certificates, and effective excess mortality, both in Europe and the USA. Strong flu with nasty symptoms? yes, the IFR of 0.3% shows that. It is 3 times an average flu. But many of us insist the impact has been distorted in the West.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zC3kW1sMu0sjnT_vP1sh4zL0tF6fIHbA6fcG5RQdqSc/edit#gid=0

  246. skrik says:
    @Vidi

    Jaden went on to claim that Covid-19 was a human accident, that the Chinese acted so effectively because they were working on the virus and had a fire extinguisher ready. I disagreed with that

    Well if I may say so, you show a funny way of disagreeing; your words:

    That could explain why Wuhan got hit so hard, but not why Qom was targeted so precisely

    Your: “That could explain” seems to me to be expressing acceptance of Jaden’s thesis “because they developed it and it got out of hand” then again your words “Qom was targeted so precisely” wherein your “targeted” contradicts Jaden’s “accidental.” [All said before.]

    I can’t know why you are pursuing this ‘storm in a teacup,’ perhaps some clearer language could help?

    I take this opportunity to disagree with Jaden’s thesis; IMHO the release of Covid-19 was neither accidental nor by the Chinese, who reacted like cut snakes the next millisecond after they recognised the significance of the PRRA insertion = furin cleavage site. Again IMHO, PRRA is ‘the smoking gun.’ rgds

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  247. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    Thanks for your continuing engagement, kindly note that I do *not*:

    insist on using out of date data

    I have looked for and failed to find any update on Forster et al. or genometracker, you have now provided one; great + thnx

    From your nextstrain link we can see:

    [partial] Phylogeny SARS-CoV-2

    Japan/KY-V-029/2020
    Wuhan/WIV05/2019
    Wuhan-Hu-1/2019
    Sweden/01/2020
    USA/IL1/2020
    Nepal/61/2020
    USA/CA1/2020

    [Closer relationships shown here.]

    [1 back] bat/Yunnan/RmYN02/2019

    [2 back] bat/Yunnan/RaTG13/2013

    [3 back] pangolin/Guangdong/P2S/2019

    Wherein if I’m interpreting correctly it’s a ‘close race’ between USA/IL1/2020 and Nepal/61/2020 as the 1st SARS-CoV-2 descendent [each having one nucleotide mutation and divergence of 0.1794] and Wuhan-Hu-1/2019 as next? rgds

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  248. denk says:
    @skrik

    To answer the last bit 1st, the rogue-state operators did not expect USA to get bitten

    The ‘blowback’ is a feature, not a bug.

    • Replies: @skrik
  249. denk says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    FUKUS,
    They dont call it the great satan for nuthin….

  250. skrik says:
    @denk

    a feature, not a bug

    Thanks, and most likely. That post of mine that you replied to has ‘old,’ i.e. superseded info quoting Forster’s PNAS work; I am in discussions with @dux.ie, see latest at #249 and #252 above. Re my putative “rogue-state operators” I prefer “rogue-state operatives” since that conveys a more sinister tone. Apropos, IF any such exist AND they are spreading Covid-19 around like pixie-dust THEN they would need immunity. hmmm+rgds

    • Agree: denk
    • Replies: @denk
  251. denk says:
    @skrik

    SARS1 2003 was most definitely
    a race specific bioweapon.
    from those sinister operatives.

  252. @skrik

    It is easy.

    If we go by your train of thought. It appears as though the moment China realized it was a bioweapons attack. They let it get out of the country deliberately. Then they clamp down super hard inside China. All to teach the country that thinks it is OK to release bio weapons inside China thinking China would take the economic hit and contain it like previous attacks.

    I don’t fault China at all for it’s actions if the above is what happened. It is better than WW3.

    • Replies: @skrik
  253. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    There is a very loose link betwen genetic generation and genetic age, just like sometimes your uncle can be younger than your youngest child. The scientific determination of genetic age is quite complicated and requires extensive computing resources beyond a desk top computer. I can generate a genetic phylogeny tree from Forster’s small dataset but the computer bombed out on insufficient memory for the time phylogeny tree.

    In the case of Forsters and Bedfordd the genetic ages were not given so by default using the generation as the metric which could be reasonable for the early stages as the age variations withing a given generation is small at the early stage.

    The Nextstrain dataset has the genetic age and so it is just a matter of searching for the highest value and comparing to earlier data in case the higher previous MaxAge data mysteriously disappears from the later dataset. From the June dataset, those without a (new) Clade classification means that they have disappeared from the new dataset. So currently Italy has the MaxAge sample.

    Age | Clade | OldClade | Collection | Country | Strain
    102 | | Untyped | 2020-04-01 | Singapore | Singapore/40/2020 <– missing
    101 | 20A | A2a | 2020-04-27 | Italy | Italy/TE26425/2020
    99 | 20A | A2a | 2020-05-10 | Belgium | Belgium/ULG-10182/2020
    98 | | A2a | 2020-03-24 | France | France/IDF3276/2020
    98 | | A2a | 2020-04-14 | Belgium | Belgium/ITM_C456/2020
    98 | | A2a | 2020-04-18 | Luxembourg | Luxembourg/LNS9272998/2020
    98 | 20A | | 2020-03-24 | Belgium | Belgium/PM-0324144/2020
    98 | 20B | A2a | 2020-04-09 | Luxembourg | Luxembourg/LNS3652733/2020
    98 | 20B | A2a | 2020-03-31 | Italy | Italy/VR_20COV31-19/2020
    97 | 19A | | 2020-05-20 | Singapore | Singapore/347/2020
    97 | 20A | | 2020-04-09 | France | France/OCC-18/2020
    97 | 20B | | 2020-03-13 | Finland | Finland/13M3/2020
    97 | 20C | A2a | 2020-05-04 | Sweden | Sweden/20-51167/2020
    96 | | A2a | 2020-03-23 | France | France/ARA12265/2020
    96 | | A2a | 2020-03-29 | Italy | Italy/TE7859/2020
    96 | 19B | B | 2020-03-28 | Spain | Spain/Valencia212/2020 <– MaxAge Clade 19B
    96 | 20A | A2a | 2020-04-13 | Germany | Germany/BAV-MVP0186/2020
    96 | 20A | | 2020-03-08 | Spain | Spain/Madrid_LP23_5852/2020
    96 | 20B | | 2020-03-22 | Israel | Israel/51141014/2020
    96 | 20B | | 2020-03-31 | Italy | Italy/VR_20COV31-18/2020
    96 | 20C | | 2020-03-11 | Sweden | Sweden/20-50294/2020

    Though I labelled clade 19B as WuFlu, currently the MaxAge sample for Clade 19B is actually from Spain. That give more weight for the recent report of finding the virus in March 2019 in Spain.

    • Replies: @skrik
  254. dux.ie says:

    There are some circumstantial evidence that SARSCoV2 was imported to China. There are no reliable source to find the patient 0 but some researchers had extrapolated backwards in time to the Most Recent Common Ancestors tMRCA to be around late October 2019, suspiciously around the time of the Wuhan World Military games. There are data for the later incidences.

    It is already established that the Korean explosive infections was due to a Korean secret Christian Cult member returning to Korea, the patient 31. Before that Korea was only averaging 1 infection per day for 28 days. Now it is known that the Korean early strains were the OldClades “untyped” and B (WuFlu), so the effects of this two clades were mild. Now it can be shown that the clade brought back by the Korean Christian Cult member was OldClade A1a which is very rare in China. China started full sequencing since 2019 Dec 25 and up till 2020 mid Jan with about 100 fully sequenced data and submitted to GISAID where there was no clade information then, there was no detected clade A1a in China. Then after mid Jan in Wuhan, with the secret Christian Cult meetings were going on with foreigner participations, OldClade A1a was detected. Unless the Korean Cult member was so unlucky to pick up the clade A1a from the common Chinese population, or that clade A1a was running wild among the secret Christian Cult meeting participants, like the Singapore super spreader situation among the regular church goers. Note that Singapore traced the importations to the many Chinese tourists, ALL OF THEM are clade “untyped”, none for clade A1a. Thus it is most probable that clade A1a was brought to Wuhan from the foreign Christian Cult members and passed that to that unfortunate Korean patient 31.

    The time sequence of the Chinese SARSCov2 Clades distribution,

    The time sequence of the Korean Clades distributions superimposed on the Korean infection curve,

    Again the time sequence of the Chinese Clades distribution had shown no detection of the new clade 20B from 2019 Dec 25 till mid March 2020, then suddenly in short time interval Clades 20s appeared. Pulling out the detailed data showed that,

    Age | Clade | Collection | Collection | Strain
    25 | 19A | 2020-03-12 | Beijing/DT-travelIRI01/2020
    28 | 19A | 2020-03-12 | Beijing/DT-travelNO01/2020
    22 | 19B | 2020-03-12 | Beijing/DT-travelES02/2020
    37 | 20A | 2020-03-12 | Beijing/DT-travelCA01/2020
    40 | 20C | 2020-03-13 | Beijing/DT-travelAT01/2020
    20 | 19A | 2020-03-16 | Beijing/DT-travelUK02/2020
    28 | 20B | 2020-03-18 | Beijing/DT-travelHU02/2020
    20 | 20B | 2020-03-22 | Beijing/DT-travelUK01/2020
    21 | 20A | 2020-03-24 | Beijing/DT-travelFR02/2020

    25 | 20B | 2020-06-11 | 2020-06-11 | Beijing/IVDC-02-06/2020 <-from salmon
    53 | 20B | 2020-06-11 | 2020-06-11 | Beijing/IVDC-01-06/2020 <-from salmon

    All of them foreign visitors to Beijing. It seems that the intensity was as if someone was probing the security of Beijing airport. There was no major outbreak, i.e. all importations seemed to have been detected and promptly quarantined. So it seems that none of them got through. China since then stop submitting results to GISAID, not providing feedback of the possible probe. Maybe that resorted to the later frozen salmon trick. The genetic age of the virus from the salmon clade 20B is much older (53), thus they are not the descendants of the earlier importations if any did leak out.

  255. dux.ie says:

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140731v1#disqus_thread

    SARS-CoV-2 in human sewage in Santa Catalina, Brazil, November 2019

    “We detected SARS-CoV-2 in two samples collected independently on 27th November 2019 (5.49 ± 0.02 log genome copies/L).

  256. 260.dux.ie says:

    “SARS-CoV-2 in human sewage in Santa Catalina, Brazil, November 2019”

    Thank you for that additional information. I believe there are now 9 countries that have detected COVID-19 in their wastewater samples from November and December of 2019, most stating the virus was almost certainly circulating there one or perhaps two months earlier. With this discovery, many countries are now testing wastewater and sewage for virus traces.

    It’s interesting to me that the standard narrative still being propagated is that the virus was first detected in the US in January, when that is not the case. Dr. Helen Chu discovered the virus in Washington State much earlier, as did California, and Japanese tourists became infected in Hawaii in September. Plus, US medical authorities are silent on the sporadic outbreaks of a strange viral pneumonia in many states beginning in July of 2019.

    COVID-19 had been seeded in many countries, by whatever method, from the late summer or early autumn of 2019. This story is not yet finished in the telling.

    • Replies: @skrik
  257. @dux.ie

    Well, shit. If true, that does spell the death of Chinese origin bullshit.

  258. @dux.ie

    One of the early findings about SARS-CoV-2 is that it is found in the faeces of infected people.

    29 March 2020 Detectable SARS‐CoV‐2 viral RNA in feces of 3 children during recovery period of COVID‐19 pneumonia https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.25795

    17 Apr 2020 Australia to test sewage for coronavirus as testing net widens
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-17/australia-to-test-sewage-for-coronairus-as-testing-net-widens/12156858

    Apr 21, 2020 – Tests at wastewater treatment plants in France have revealed levels of coronavirus that rise and fall over time like clinical cases
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/coronavirus-found-paris-sewage-points-early-warning-system

    30-Jun-2020 COVID-19 found in Spanish wastewater in March 2019, say researchers
    https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-29/COVID-19-found-in-Spanish-wastewater-in-March-2019-say-researchers-RJ2ZnDL8Ag/index.html

    Cheers!

  259. skrik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    They let it get out of the country deliberately

    That’s not my recollection, more that Wuhan closed down as tightly as possible as quickly as possible, recalling that Chinese were ‘frequent flyers’ and the Chinese new year celebrations were extremely imminent; allowed were ‘repatriation’ flights, one could expect that those returning ‘home’ would go into quarantine, at the request of the R2P local authorities? Apropos, I recall reading about an uncontrolled exodus from NY after the virus was known to be present. Generally, authorities in the ‘West’ did little to nothing in preparation during their period of grace, then recall @denk’s ‘The ‘blowback’ is a feature, not a bug.’ Then, most people [in the ‘West’] get most of their information from the [corrupt&venal] MSM+PFBCs [=publicly financed broadcasters], IIRC it was Trump among others putting this ‘China sent it to the world’ meme, other such being ‘it’s only a [normal] flu’ and worse ‘lockdowns are killing more than Covid-19!’ On reflection, perhaps these memes are coming more via ‘social media,’ like the PC/LGBTIQ nonsense? Looking for some clarity, perhaps you could try to substantiate that whole “deliberately” allegation? Then

    it is better than WW3

    agreed + rgds

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  260. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    Slight breakthrough, but 1st I’m not understanding much of what you present, and none of how you might be deriving your statistical results, like your ‘Age’ number, say. No matter; ‘wos der bauer nit kennt, frisst er nit’

    IF one were to go to:

    https://www.gisaid.org/epiflu-applications/next-hcov-19-app/

    THEN one were to a) click the little arrow on the left-top, then b) click the ‘Color By’ box and c) select ‘Genotype’ THEN one can explore the phylogeny, for example by looking at the 1st entry from the left within each of 19A, 19B, 20A, 20B & 20C clades, say.

    Working …

    But, apart from “a very loose link between genetic generation and genetic age” you didn’t really answer my question about trying to identify the 1st SARS-CoV-2 descendant; IF one has faith in the nextstrain software producing this phylogeny, THEN isn’t the 1st from the left [defined as having least mutations] the actual, natural ‘top of the heap?’ [That would of course depend on the 1st displayed being the earliest discovered – but shouldn’t that be the case anyway?] rgds

    PS A fine story you tell on ‘probing the security,’ thnx

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  261. vot tak says:

    Gilead Plans to Charge Over $3,000 for COVID-19 Antiviral Remdesivir

    https://sputniknews.com/science/202006291079751750-gilead-plans-to-charge-over-3000-for-covid-19-antiviral-remdesivir/

    “we have set a price for governments of developed countries of $390 per vial. Based on current treatment patterns, the vast majority of patients are expected to receive a 5-day treatment course using 6 vials of remdesivir, which equates to $2,340 per patient,” O’Day added.

    However, he noted that “because of the way the US system is set up and the discounts that government healthcare programs expect, the price for US private insurance companies, will be $520 per vial,” which translates to a total cost of $3,120.

    However, the high price of the drug has been blasted by experts, who note Gilead developed the drug using public funding.

    “Remdesivir should be in the public domain,” Peter Maybarduk, a lawyer for consumer group Public Citizen, told the Associated Press. He called the price “an outrage,” noting that at least $70 million in public money had been sunk into the drug’s development.

    “The price puts to rest any notion that drug companies will ‘do the right thing’ because it is a pandemic,” Peter Bach, a health policy expert at New York’s Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, told the outlet. “The price might have been fine if the company had demonstrated that the treatment saved lives. It didn’t.”

    This isn’t the first time Gilead has come under fire for its pricing practices, either. The company also holds a monopoly on manufacturing human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) antiviral drug Truvada, for which it charges in excess of $20,000 per year to halt the onset of acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). The HHS won a lawsuit against Gilead in February, arguing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) holds the patent for Truvada and a related pre-exposure prophylaxis (PrEP) drug, Descovy, since they were developed from publicly funded HIV research.

    A similar lawsuit filed in December 2019 by HIV prevention group PrEP4All Collaboration alleges Gilead purposefully delayed development of Descovy for five years in order to maintain its monopoly on PreP drugs via the Truvada patent, even though Descovy was proven to be more effective at treatment HIV than Truvada.”

    Publicly subsidize the costs and privatise the profits, the capitalist way. Note also the holding back of Descovy so they could milk Truvada longer. Meanwhile the maga maggot bought up gilead’s first 3 months of production of remdesivir.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @denk
  262. skrik says:
    @Larry Romanoff

    COVID-19 had been seeded in many countries, by whatever method, from the late summer or early autumn of 2019

    Sure looks like it, then there was EVALI: The cases of lung injury date back to at least April 2019.

    It has occurred to me, that in the task of ‘seeding,’ human agency must be involved somewhere along the chain, like filling buckets with ‘pixie-dust’ or loading, releasing then retrieving aerosol-producing drones, say. [‘The perps’ could not afford for any such to be discovered, still wet perhaps but intact!] Whatever, but (except possibly military-personal excursions to Wuhan), immunity [forget legal; health=survival] would be required for the rogue-regime operatives involved? Just saying & rgds

  263. Jiminy says:

    If you look at the Maryland Health Department bulletin on the vaping lung disease, they were seeing cases as early as January 2019.

  264. @skrik

    All conjectures. Nothing to substantiate.

  265. @Sya Beerens

    That was a really good read. Thanks for the link.

  266. Parfois1 says:
    @Sya Beerens

    Thank you for posting that link to the

    “The Prophetic Faculty of Epidemic Photography: Chinese Wet Markets and the Imagination of the Next Pandemic” dated 6/2/2016.

    Certainly a wake-up notice but also a revelation that something was in the offing and the information groundwork was being prepared for the event. It’s in the early warning narratives that one finds hints of what is in the pipeline.

    Somehow it’s been forgotten – or not mentioned often – the US CDC hiring of a large number (about 100?) public health quarantine officers in November 2019. I have attempted to do a perfunctory search now for the CDC advertisement to check for more details but could not find it. Instead, I found a Reuters’s article denouncing the “conspiracy theorists” for making a “false claim”:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-cdc-job-coronavirus/false-claim-a-november-2019-job-posting-indicates-the-cdc-knew-of-or-planned-the-covid-19-outbreak-idUSKBN21Z2KN

    which sounds like an official confirmation that the “false claim” is too close to the truth.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  267. @vot tak

    I read somewhere the war criminal, Donald Rumsfeld, former US Sec. of Defense (during the illegal and immoral Iraq invasion and occupation of a free and independent sovereign nation WITHOUT UN resolutions) was Chair at Gilead from 1997-2001. He’ll still be networking the Big Pharma industry.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  268. @Parfois1

    “which sounds like an official confirmation that the “false claim” is too close to the truth.”

    When it comes to the government, never believe anything – until its officially denied!

  269. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    In developing the phylogeny tree and the clades the researchers had a list of SNP markers to consider, some might use a few thousands and some might use a few hundred. For example Bedford used all the ~30K RNA base pairs while Forster used only a small subset as in his rdf file, gisaid_cov2020_sequencesMar03PlusPreviousPlusWuhan1MinusPangolin1-274MinusFlanksSnippets26-29BatrootMinusBatDeletionCoded-39-88.rdf , which lists the significant RNA position and the allele data whose mutation might determine the clades.

    However the clades are only determined with only a handful of markers, for example a single allele mutation (I’ve to check the specifics) separate the bat coronavirus from the human coronavirus, the single D614G amino acid mutation separates clades 19A and 19B from clades 20A, 20B and 20C.

    The age is not chronological age but a measure of ALL the mutations considered. So if you want to look at genetic behavours you might use the clade info whereas to find patient 0 there are interplay between early clade generations and ages, i.e. within each clade which is determined with only a hand full of markers there is a wide range of ages or number of mutations, the “younger” the “age” the more mutations with respect to the reference sample.

    Early generation clades (high up in the phylogeny tree closer to the root) tend to have few samples, it is rare to resist mutations with passage of time. Thus ‘older’ samples tend to be lower down in any sub-clades where there are more samples.

    Bedford estimated that the time between the bat RaTG13 and the ‘oldest’ human sample found so far is about 50 years. Patient 0 will be anytime within that interval. The odds of finding that exact patient 0 with only that ONE mutation mentioned above and nothing else from RATG13 for the rest of the ~30K RNA is very slim unless you have a very large coronavirus sample of the bat (or pangolin) stretching back 50 years. Otherwise what they will determine is just the politicized patient 0.

    • Replies: @skrik
  270. denk says:
    @vot tak

    I heard Vineet D Menachery, the chief scientist who led that infamous Bat coronavirus GOF research, cited in that prestigious NATURE mag 2015, went on to develope the magical remdesivir in 2017.

    What a coincidence !

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @vot tak
    , @skrik
  271. vot tak says:
    @Patagonia Man

    From their website:

    https://www.gilead.com/news-and-press/press-room/press-releases/1997/1/donald-h-rumsfeld-named-chairman-of-gilead-sciences

    “Press Releases

    January 03, 1997

    Donald H. Rumsfeld Named Chairman of Gilead Sciences

    Foster City, CA — January 3, 1997

    Gilead Sciences Inc. (Nasdaq: GILD) today announced that board member Donald H. Rumsfeld will assume the position of Chairman, effective immediately. Mr. Rumsfeld succeeds Michael L. Riordan, M.D., who founded Gilead in 1987 and has served as Chairman since 1993. Dr. Riordan will continue to serve as a director on the board.

    “Gilead is fortunate to have had Don Rumsfeld as a stalwart board member since the company’s earliest days, and we are very pleased that he has accepted the Chairmanship,” Dr. Riordan said. “He has played an important role in helping to build and steer the company. His broad experience in leadership positions in both industry and government will serve us well as Gilead continues to build its commercial presence.”

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  272. vot tak says:
    @denk

    I don’t know if he has connections to gilead, though he has worked with others who are gilead connected. Example:

    Broad-spectrum antiviral GS-5734 inhibits both epidemic and zoonotic coronaviruses

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5567817/#!po=75.3521

    Several of the researchers are listed as affiliated with gilead, but not Menachery. This is apparently his current site:

    https://microbiology.utmb.edu/faculty/vineet-d-menachery-phd

    He may also work for gilead in some capacity or his lab may receive funding or support through gilead. I don’t know.

  273. skrik says:
    @denk

    What a coincidence!

    Yes, and what a find; congrats. I’m supposing the paper is:

    “A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    A ‘snip’ from the abstract:

    “Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.” [my bolding]

    Me: Charming from Vineet D Menachery et al., thnx to denk. rgds

    PS I noticed a precursor paper:

    “Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor”
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature12711

    Me: SARS-Cov-2 attacks via the ACE2 receptor; the nastiness/idiocy goes on…

    • Replies: @denk
  274. skrik says:
    @dux.ie

    Again thanks; re [superseded] Forster, I found his rdf file at:

    https://fluxus-engineering.com/cov2020.htm

    and ran a Multalin compare (see PS):I had to laugh; the number of ‘mismatches’ corresponds to the number of ‘nicks’ [= mutation steps] along the line from ‘bat’ to Forster’s ‘A’ clade.

    I now understand how the clades differ, with help from your nextstrain cites.

    I also understand the vast ‘mutation’ distance between SARS-CoV2 and RaTG13 or RmYN02, say. It really does suggest a man-made origin, then see my #280 re “generated and characterized a chimeric virus.”

    I see that you are considering reports of SARS-CoV2 traces in sewage as early as March 12, 2019, do such mean that the search for ‘patient 0’ becomes rather moot, given that the search is now effectively world-wide = not even a remote chance?

    But that raises another problem, namely how could SARS-CoV2 be so widely active and yet not be noticed, before Wuhan jumped like a startled gazelle? rgds

    PS
    Multiple sequence alignment with hierarchical clustering
    F. CORPET, 1988, Nucl. Acids Res., 16 (22), 10881-10890

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  275. denk says:
    @skrik

    Lots of trolls touted it as the smoking gun for Wuhan lab culpability, just cuz Xi Zhengli’s name appeared on it.

    Fact is, Xi appeared after 15 murikkan contributors led by Vineet.
    Apparently it’s a token acknowledgement for her donation of Bats and virii samples.

    That report Looks more like an indictment for UNC than Wuhan !

    • Replies: @skrik
  276. skrik says:
    @denk

    Well, silly me; this is not new, 1st mention of chimera in my archive [via unz] is:

    “China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts
    By Larry Romanoff
    Global Research, January 25, 2020”
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    1st mention of both chimera and Zhengli is:

    “February 27, 2020
    As Virus Spreads Over The Planet Governments Are Slow To React”
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/02/coronavirus-globally.html

    That report [A SARS-like cluster …] Looks more like an indictment for UNC than Wuhan!

    Agreed; the significance of it is that constructing a SARS-like chimera capable of infecting humans was known technology. IMHO, what *is* new, different and deadly is the PRRA insertion. rgds

    • Thanks: denk
  277. dux.ie says:
    @skrik

    > how could SARS-CoV2 be so widely active and yet not be noticed

    Look at the Korean example, oldclade U and B were sequenced for 28 days and the infection was about 1 per day in flu season. They could be there much earlier before the sequencing. If not because of the outbreak at Wuhan they would not be noticed.

    In Jan there was a paper from Wuhan that identified people with blood group A were more subceptable. 23andMe reaffirmed that. Wuhan like Beijing has relatively higher % blood group A becuase of the ancient assimilated notherners. A paper not from China narrowed it down to people with SNP marker rs35074065-deletion. From 1KGP,

    http://grch37.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/Variation/Population?db=core;r=21:42833020-42834020;submit=Go;v=rs35074065;vdb=Variation;vf=539539913

    EUR 0.433
    SAS 0.350
    AMR 0.269
    AFR 0.079
    EAS 0.006
    CHS 0 (Southern Chinese, the majority in TW and SG)

    It is now no surprise that the infections started in Wuhan.

    • Thanks: skrik
  278. Dear Larry,
    Just a little suggestion. Claiming that ConJob-19 started in bats is laughable. I know it is hard not to lie. We are all sympathetic to Jews’ and their need to reflexively scream ‘anti-semitism’ or ‘bat soup’ and other ridiculous lies. Now that you and your tribe have reached the zenith of power on this planet try not to sound like a street hustler.
    It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and only one mistake to ruin it. I would have though you guys would figure this out by now.

    Sincerely,
    Another raging anti-semite.

  279. I got sent to Yandex.

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