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Earlier, by Lance Welton: Why Teenage Climate Crusader Greta Thunberg Is A “Watermelon”—And Why She May Change

As sixteen-year-old Swedish climate campaigner Greta Thunberg stood before the UN, berating some of the most influential people in the world for having “stolen” her childhood, any alien zoologist, let’s call him Kang in honor of the alien in The Simpsons, would have been fascinated. “Why are these humans listening to a word this girl’s saying?” he might have thought:

Her frontal lobes aren’t fully formed, meaning she is deficient in the ability to reason. She’s nowhere near the human intelligence peak, which is reached at about the age of 40. Her physiognomy, and evident autism, are, together, signs of partial fetal alcohol syndrome, meaning some kind of subtle cognitive impairment, as is clear from her simplistic, Doomsday approach to life.

So how can this Greta Thunberg have become so important?”

The answer, Kang will eventually conclude, is that humans seem to have a propensity to worship children as gods, and that the Cult of Greta Thunberg is simply the latest manifestation of this.

Kang is likely to remember other fieldwork observations that will make sense of what he is seeing.

Kang has already noted that although many of the Western elite claim to be atheists and to reject their culture’s religion of Christianity, they have in fact adopted a kind of a post-Christian “secular religion” that is extremely similar to it. Indeed, a human anthropologist, a Romanian called Mircea Eliade, has observed that in left-wing Left ideologies, God has been replaced by a fervent belief in Fate, and specifically in the belief that History will unfold in a direction of greater “social justice” and “equality,” such that something like “the Kingdom of God” will one day be reached on earth. For these Leftists, their beliefs have the quality of the “Sacred,” which is the essence of religion.

This godless post-Christian sect believes that as all people are equal, inequality is a result of the Devil whom they must fight by bringing about equality [The Sacred and the Profane, by Mircea Eliade, 1957]. They have inherited the Christian belief that humans are inherently sinful. Problems in the world are their fault and they must atone for them though self-denial and the creation of further equality.

This is all true of the post-Christian sect known as the Climate Change movement. Global warming is caused by Western greed, we can stop it by being strictly ascetic and we can atone through “climate justice”—allowing poorer races, whom we have “exploited,” to pollute, while we limit our own pollution.

This is the theology of the Greta Thunberg movement and Greta is made all the worthier of worship due to having a mental disability…as people like her were once “discriminated against” and so must be empowered as a form of atonement.

But we shouldn’t be surprised, Kang might note, if this sect has inherited other dimensions of Christianity. Christianity reverses pagan values, so that the poor are revered as pure, honest and godly; and the second son (the Prodigal Son) is more god-like than the eldest son.

It also reverses attitudes towards children. The baby Jesus is literally worshipped as a god-child—something especially pronounced in the Catholic Church. A child is the source of all wisdom. Jesus himself says that, “You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children” (Matthew 11: 25), a reference to the Old Testament, “Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger” (Psalm 8:2).

This Climate Change Movement, Kang will write in his thesis on humans, has developed from a sect which seems to worship anything that is seemingly disempowered and simple—including children—as manifestations of some sacred force. Thus in the popular children’s Christian allegory, The Lion, the Witch and The Wardrobe, it is the youngest of the four Pevensie children, Lucy, who is the first to enter the magical kingdom of Narnia; the first to have her eyes opened to the eternal Truth beneath the superficiality of everyday life.

Kang has read French philosopher Alain de Benoist’s 2004 book On Being A Pagan. De Benoist places extreme polytheism at one end of a spectrum and extreme monotheism at the other.

Monotheism is characterized not just be worshipping one god but by the belief that the god is perfect and to be obeyed, the world is evil, humans are inherently sinful, life is linear rather than cyclical, a utopia can be reached, and it is a moral duty to empower the disempowered and disempower yourself. In contrast, for Pagans gods are like humans, you negotiate with them and can become them, humans are morally neutral, the afterlife is much like this one, and you should strive to power and glory.

But even within monotheist sects, you get pagan movements and even within paganism there are monotheistic trends. Thus, groups within Hinduism also worship children. In Nepalese Hinduism, certain pre-pubescent girls—rather like Greta, whose puberty seems to be heavily delayed—are worshipped as living goddesses. The so-called Kumari are regarded as manifestations of Devi, divine female energy. Often, girls are Kumari for short periods of time, but if priests consider them particularly holy, they can be identified as little girls and taken away to live in the temple until they reach puberty, where they will be constantly worshipped. These special Kumari must have an unusual appearance—“a chest like a buffalo and thighs like a deer”—and not show any emotion while watching animals be sacrificed. These odd traits prove they are goddesses [Nepal anoints a new ‘living goddess’, By Sara Malm, Mail Online, September 28, 2018}

Worshipping a pre-pubescent girl with a strange appearance and a lack of normal human empathy? Remind you of anything?

Sometimes if they look like a goddess, they will be worshipped as such. This occurred in 2005, when a girl was born in impoverished Bihar with eight limbs and was thus considered a manifestation of Ganesh.

Something similar occurred in the case of Akrit Jaswal (b. 1993), a highly intelligent Indian boy who performed successful medical surgery on a girl’s burnt and thus fused hand when he was 7-years-old. He was talking at ten months and writing aged two. Naturally, he was worshipped as a guru in India [Child Surgeon Seven Year Old Akrit Jaswal, By Stephen Walker, MS Health Blog, June 3, 2019].

But when Jaswal was taken, aged 11, to Imperial College London, in an attempt to get his skills recognized and allow him to put into action his passionate belief that he could cure cancer, it was found that there were serious problems with his intelligence. He was very high in verbal and mathematical intelligence but worryingly low in traits such as spotting patterns [India’s Smartest Boy And His Quest To Cure Cancer, Naked Stories, Youtube, August 25, 2017]. These traits are the best test of “general intelligence,” of how “smart” someone will be in real life situations.

A pre-pubescent child-guru who is seemingly precocious, passionately self-assured, but deficient in certain kinds of logic. Remind you of anyone?

Within Christianity, you sometimes see a similar phenomenon. Think of Joan of Arc (1412-1431), a religious zealot who began having visions at the age of 13 and amassed of a huge following of worshippers.

Kang, as he writes up his findings, is fairly sure he knows what’s going in Earth’s most powerful country. Humans are pack animals and they maintain an uneasy balance between two things:

(1) Needing to reach the top of the pack’s hierarchy and desiring status, including for the whole pack;

(2) Having to maintain a highly cooperative, internally peaceful pack, so that they can join together and more successfully defeat rival packs.

Humans are, therefore, very concerned with “relative equality,” as they assess their status only in relation to their own pack members.

One way you can reach the top of the hierarchy is by making the entire pack richer, by defeating other packs, and elevating the pack’s status. In doing so, you signal bravery and power.

Another way is by signaling virtue: claiming that you idolize those right at the bottom of the hierarchy, so gaining their support, and by claiming you want to make the rich poorer and everyone equal.

This leads to two essential worldviews: Conservative and liberal [Are high IQ individuals deficient in common sense, by Michael Woodley, Intelligence, 2010]. The extreme liberal promotes “equality,” and signals virtue, in part, by worshipping the overtly “low status,” elevating them to “high status”—to the status of gods.

This, Kang concludes, is what the Greta Thunberg Cult is all about. It is simply a modern-day post-Christian sect in action. It makes complete sense that America sit and listen, enraptured by Greta’s every word.

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  1. Speaking of ‘The Simpsons’ as mentioned in the article –

    Photos of Trump’s ‘accidental’ encounter with Greta Thunberg in the same room at the United Nations, closely copy long-ago frames in ‘The Simpsons’ cartoon show, where Donald Trump (as cartoon of himself) meets Homer’s daughter Lisa Simpson … Lisa even has a similar look on her face to that of Greta

    Comparison photo pair here:

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @TRM
    , @El Dato
  2. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    The behavior of mobs surrounding the girl doesn’t negate scientific fact. And the fact is that rising CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere from human sources are overpowering all other climate forces and causing global warming, and the science itself is well-established by conservative-minded old white male scientists and is now two centuries old.

    • Agree: El Dato
  3. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Whatever shall we do with these religious fanatics constantly harping about hellfire for sinners? 😉

    Cartoon excerpt from a larger graphic sourced here:
    THE GRETA THUNBERG PROBLEM, so many men freaking out about the tiny Swedish climate demon | First Dog on the Moon

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  4. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    What upsets the fanatical religious right about science, both in biological evolution and in climate science, is that scientific fact upsets their make-believe world view as told by Jewish storytellers about the word-magic creation (or euphemistically, “intelligent design”) of the world.

    …the Cornwall Alliance Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, which says, in part, “We believe Earth and its ecosystems—created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providences—are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception.”

    Deniers Deflated as Climate Reality Hits Home

    The Right always complains that the Leftists somehow gained control of the Academic Cathedral, but in fact, the Right abdicated their birthright to the realm of science at the Scope Monkey Trial, and got the consolation prize of a silly wooden ark in Kentucky. All because they cannot face up to the fact that (1) Rabbi Jesus can’t magically transform blacks into behaving like white people because evolutionary psychology trumps Bible magic and (2) there will be consequences for evaporating earth’s vast coal beds and oil fields into our thin atmosphere in spite of Rabbi Jesus’ magical powers.

    Just like the Jewish fable-believers have amassed a great host of lies about evolution that are collated into a list and easily debunked at, they also proffer lies about climate science that are collated into a list and easily debunked at So I suggest any climate-science-deniers pop into SkepticalScience first and see if their denialist claim has been addressed and debunked before embarrassing themselves here in this comment thread.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  5. @Anonymous

    Abd al-Wahhab noted (against the Hagirites and, by extension, the Jews) that those who do not believe in “punishment in the grave” are, as a rule, assholes 😛

    I know I´m supposed to pity the unhinged little shit, but it´s downright scary to see the masses believe she is the Messiah instead of – at best – Die Blechtrommel 2.0.
    Mind you, I blame the masses – is there any atrocity these zombies aren´t capable of?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  6. @Anonymous

    Funny – when I saw that 200-year timeframe my first thought was “Young Earth Creationist”.
    Shouldn´t we have an idea of the last 2000 (before the oxyatmoversion) or at least the last 200 million years (last thalattocratic period – without ice) before we get mouthy?
    – 630 ma Snowball Earth?
    – 466 ma Ikarus event, Sahara glaciation and second largest mass extinction?
    – 290 ma Gondwana glaciation after formation of the coal measures?
    – 248 ma Siberian trapps and largest mass extinction?

    Take it from the horse´s mouth … NO ONE – least of all the Gretniks – listens to scientists 😀

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    I see. Similarly, are those who do not believe in “consequences of climate change” also, as a rule, assholes? Healthy humans can survive only a few short hours in wet bulb temperatures above 35°C (95°F). Punishment hastens, unless you repent, as you, a non-asshole, would put it.

    Especially to those living north of the moist Gulf of Mexico.

    In a recent study with Matt Huber, we showed that it doesn’t take that many degrees of global warming to permit peak heat summertime heat stress to (occasionally) become unsurvivable, in many parts of the world that are currently highly populated.

    What is Wet Bulb temperature?

    Remember, the Trump Administration forecasts 4°C (7°F) increase in average global temperatures in a few short decades, and it won’t take much longer past Trump’s forecast for the eastern US to reach “unsurvivable” conditions in the humid summers.

  8. anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Whole thing is stage-managed by adults behind the scenes. They probably went on a talent hunt and found a photogenic, mildly autistic girl with a monomania about climate and how the world will end. This is all being pushed like a major ad campaign but dishonestly tries to appear as if this were something spontaneous and divinely inspired. At bottom it’s a highly cynical ploy. Yeah, I’ll get my science advice from some 16 years olds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @ThreeofSwords
  9. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Predictably, you’re trotting out the #1 most frequently used Climate Denial lie, as collated at So lame. Do you really think falsely claiming that climate scientists aren’t familiar with millions of years of previous climate change does anything but make you look like an utter moron? Fact is, climate scientists are quite familiar with previous climate changes.

    Climate Myth: Climate’s changed before
    Science Says: Greenhouse gasses, principally CO2, have controlled most ancient climate changes. This time around humans are the cause, mainly by our CO2 emissions.

    What does past climate change tell us about global warming?

    And the argument that previous climate changes means humans can’t be causing it now is as stupid as saying lightning caused forest fires in the past, and thus humans could never cause a forest fire. That is the level of idiocy in the climate science denialist community.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  10. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    The White/Nordic girl Greta specifically states that she does not want you to take science or any other advice from her; rather, her plea is that you study and understand what the Old White Men of the last Two Centuries (see the chart in comment #2) have to say about the scientific evidence of climate change. Instead, you fanatically religious White-Man’s-Science-Deniers cling to foreign make-believe tales told by mystical Jewish storytellers in the Holy Hook. You think some magical Rabbi Jewsus has powers to cancel reality. (see comment #4 on the Jew-worshipers’ view of climate science.) SAD!

    Image source: The History of Climate Science

    • Replies: @anonymous
  11. Dutch Boy says:

    Original Sin is actually a conservative doctrine. Because it is true, there can be no earthly Utopias. This is why leftists hate the doctrine and the Church that teaches it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  12. @Anonymous

    Dontcha gittn na knot in yer knickers over a little dig – or can you only deal? 😛
    I happen to be a geologist, and I do not deny a thing.

    – We have reasonable climate data from ~1937, for the Northern Hemisphere. The warming and reduction in sea ice are undeniable. Satellite data are better, but not before ~1985.
    – Science says carbon dioxide levels CORRELATE with temperature – the causation is tenuous outside the lab and the models are unsatisfactory.
    – The closest proxy we have is the postglacial climate optimum (“Atlantikum”) 8-6000 years ago, 3-6°C above now, when they made rock paintings of swimmers and hippos in the central Sahara.

    In the Western Deep Levels (Witwatersrand, ZA) they followed the Carbon Leader (a 20cm seam) to 4000m, a rock temp of 60° and adiabatic air temp of 80°. Air has to be cooled in two stages, and the men at the face (all highly paid blacks, no White can do it for more than an hour and a half) must be permanently doused with cold water from behind; this should be the maximum of what is doable with unlimited energy (I will come back to that).
    -But I digress; 35° is optimistic – 29° will kill a horse. Human mortality rises from 28°, first the elderly, then those under 25.
    “Ah”, but you say, “we have us air condition now”. An American sickness and horribly wasteful of energy (I know, Europeans are wusses). The upside is the waste heat (there is a thing called the Second Law) kills off the homeless.

    -But all this is beside the point; what I am trying to say is Lil Greta is barking up the wrong tree – reality will kick us in the face long before “climate change”.
    Madagascar, the Sahel (turned into a desert by the goodperson welldiggers), Haiti and the Amazon are just the beginning.
    (Ms Thunberg hopes for the “climate justice” magic of mass extinctions killing off the specialised in favor of the primitive; it is not as simple)

    -Nice map you got there.
    When air condition becomes untenable (might still take some time) the Southwest will be gladly handed back to Mexico again – which will by then only be a formality anyway.
    When commuting becomes untenable, segregation is inevitable (optimist).
    That nice blob over the Mississippi lowlands is a reminder why Bantus were imported in the first place – Germans and Irish died like flies there.
    With the Ogallalah aquifer gone (not too much longer) the Midwest will revert to the Great American Desert again – only with much depleted topsoil.

    I hear the Jews are buying up Tierra del Fuego big-time 😛

  13. anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    her plea is that you study and understand

    Why? Did she study it herself, understand it and therefore wants others to also “understand”? Why do you refer to her as a “White/Nordic girl” ? Does that make her more authoritative?

    you fanatically religious White-Man’s-Science-Deniers cling to foreign make-believe tales told by mystical Jewish storyteller

    Yeah, you’ve really got us pegged.

    Rabbi Jewsus has powers to cancel reality. (see comment #4 on the Jew-worshipers’

    Weird stuff man. Gotta drag Jews into a climate ‘science’ discussion for some bizarre reason.
    You’re just some fanatical crackpot with strange obsessions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. @anonymous

    Providing a link to an article on

    The link presents the “official” version of this campaign, then the other not-so-widely-known one which has been scrupulously “forgotten”.

    Some “adults behind the scenes” mentioned:
    – Ingmar Rentzhog – co-founder of the start-up, We Don’t Have Time (WDHT). He knows Greta’s parents and together they attended a climate conference in May of 2018.
    – Daniela Rogosic, consultant to WDHT and an officer in IKEA’s global press group
    – Al Gore

    – Isabelle Attard’s publication “Reporterre”
    – Cory Morningstar’s articles in the publication of the association Entelekheia
    – work by investigative journalist Andreas Henriksson, in Rebecca Weidmo Uvell’s blog on Dec. 11, 2018

    Using this girl as a mouthpiece is counter-productive, in my opinion.

    Which brings to mind, why is the ozone layer still not an issue or am I out of the loop?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  15. Jeanne d’Arc is the obvious analogue to Greta Thunberg. Thunberg, like Jeanne, is proving remarkably effective for her paymasters’ purposes. Though they claimed they burned Jeanne d’Arc for heresy, the truth is that the English were simply annoyed: Nobody likes miserable teenage girls who think they have visions from God that entitle them to tell the rest of us what to do.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. ‘It makes complete sense that America sit and listen, enraptured by Greta’s every word.’

    Speaking for myself, I pay as little attention to her as possible.

    My own take on it is that people credit children with originality and honesty; if a child says it, it somehow becomes authentic.

    My own experience is that the situation is more or less the opposite. Children (looking back, including myself) uncritically imbibe the views of the adults around them, and then regurgitate those views, anticipating approval. Tell a little boy he hates violence and wants to save the planet, and he’ll agree with you — never mind if he really would like to watch a bear baiting, and the bloodier the better.

    Children are neither original nor particularly honest. It would be more accurate to say they are little parrots, and lie almost instinctively.

    So people see Greta Thunberg’s rantings as somehow demonstrating the reality of global warming. All I see is evidence that somewhere in Sweden there are a pair of parents who feel strongly that global warming is a problem. That’s hardly significant.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > The warming and reduction in sea ice are undeniable.

    True, the evidence of global warming and subsequent global ice mass loss is irrefutable. With the Trump Administration bragging about how wonderful the rapidly melting Arctic sea ice is, it’s fun to ask typically “conservative” Deniers what physical quantity melts ice. Most of them don’t seem to know first grade science here on Unz.

    > the causation is tenuous

    The causation is well established via outdoor empirical data (Evans, 2006). and it is well established that it is human caused, via carbon-13 and carbon-14 isotopic ratio studies (Revelle & Suess 1957; Levin & Hesshaimer (2000; etal.).

    > 8-6000 years ago, 3-6°C

    Perhaps regionally (if you have a citation), but not a global average temp. It’s the hottest now for at least 125,000 years (last interglacial warming) and we’ll soon be past that, and looking at the hottest for millions of years. Below is a chart of measured and proxy temperatures of the Holocene up to 1990. Yes it was warm 8-6000 years ago, but we are warmer now, and another 3 decades of warming puts the red line of modern measured temperatures completely off the chart.

    Source: (Marcott, 2013) from

    > 35° is optimistic

    True, a few hours is the outer limit for the most healthy of folks, and your further analysis about heat and the body is informative.

    > only with much depleted topsoil

    Indeed, and with gasoline being 10% ethanol fuel and half the corn crop going to it, we’re blowing the fertility of the last six inches of Midwest topsoil out our collective tailpipes. So smart! 🙂

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  18. vasil says:

    i have looked in youtobe to the number of visualization of any video of greta and she is not that popular .
    his more viewed video amount only to 3,2 million with a couple more crossing the million views but nothing surprising looking how the chanels that promote them like vices news have hundred of videos with much more visualization even this month there are several ridiculous videos in vice news with more views.

    the mayority of people arent eating the bait

  19. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > Gotta drag Jews into a climate

    Wrong, the author of the article above—whom you obviously didn’t bother to read before flying off the handle—quotes a Jewish Rabbi’s reference about “the Kingdom of God.” Read the article before commenting, ok?

    > you’ve really got us pegged

    I’m only quoting the denialists’ 2009 Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, in which they invoke the make-believe Jewish deity from the Holy Hook—with its magically “infinite power“—into climate science.

    > Weird stuff man

    And that’s what these magic show believers want: infinite power with zero costs. Who ever would think evaporating earth’s vast coal beds and oil fields into our thin atmosphere could have zero consequences. “Weird stuff,” indeed!

  20. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    The ozone layer is still an issue. The ozone hole is about as big as it got in the 1990’s, but the efforts of the Montreal Protocol have stopped it from getting bigger.

    Source: NASA Ozone Watch |

    Although lately, the Chicoms have been caught Red-handed, cheating on the Montreal Protocol.

    China is shredding the ozone layer with banned chemical emissions, study says

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  21. Miles Mathis just published research from Sven Svenson outing Greta as an actress.

    In case her mother did not already clue you in. Eurovision looks to be a total shit show.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  22. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Comment #15: “counter-productive”
    Comment #16: “proving remarkably effective”

    You two big men should debate that so very important sideshow-bob issue about a little girl who seems to have set loose a real bee in your bonnets. Meanwhile, nobody here is willing—so far—to debate the actual climate science with moi. I wonder why? 😉

    > The Alarmist (Dec. 2018) “If you showed the full Kelvin scale, the line [temperature rise of global warming] would almost look flat.”

    Of course, as any competent aerospace engineer knows, if one graphs the speed of an aircraft’s performance envelope using a full Speed-of-Light y-axis scale, it “proves” even powerful jet aircraft can never accelerate, not even a tiny single pixel, thus “disproving” flight. That gaff you parroted was embarrassing, wasn’t it? Well, you’ve had a year to Get Smart. Come on, let’s go a round or two!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  23. getaclue says:

    We now know that the temperature data used for the hoax is fraudulent– that NOAA “cooked the books”– further if you want a Government Grant you are required to be a Climate Hoax participant, hundreds of millions have flowed out for these lies because trillions are at stake….If you want to go back to the Stone Age based on a fraud perpetuated by “Elites” to transfer trillions to them from the peons that is aok–just don’t insist along with little Greta that we join you in cheering on being played for rubes. Further– many Scientists not being bribed to participate in the hoax agree that it is bs, do some basic research.

    “Social scientist and author Steven Mosher called the global warming movement an enemy of the sanctity of innocent human life at an international symposium that began online Tuesday to address the anti-Christian nature of population control.

    Mosher, long recognized as an expert in China’s domestic policy, started his address by explaining that the earth’s temperature has always fluctuated, sometimes dramatically.

    “I did a historical study of climate change in China, which shows that the climate in China 2,000 years ago was several degrees warmer than it is today,” Mosher said, adding, “And of course that was a long time before we started hearing about climate change and global warming.”

    The bestselling author, who went through a Ph.D program in Oceanography at the University of Washington, further noted that during the Jurassic period, the earth was 15 degrees warmer on average than it is today.

    Criticizing global warming fearmongers, Mosher said not long ago the same “experts” were frantically making the exact opposite claims. “In the 1970s … the climate ‘experts’ were warning about a coming ‘ice age,’” he said. “Now it has flipped over 180 degrees to be global warming.”

    “The truth is, nobody really knows what’s going to happen to the climate in the future,” Mosher explained. “We’ve seen extremes of temperatures on the cold side and on the warm side that make any projection of one or two degrees pale in comparison.”

    Mosher spoke on “Environmentalism and Climate Change as an Avenue for Population Control.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  24. getaclue says:

    90 Leading Italian Scientists lay out the truth as to the “Global Warming/Climate Change” hoax, and give specifics not bs, by which a number of well connected “Elites” will make trillions while impoverishing the peons back to the Stone Age:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    You’ve got a real bee in your bonnet about every little personal detail of a tiny little girl. I think you should take her advice when she stated clearly before the US Congress on 18 September 2019, “I don’t want you to listen to me.” Is that so hard? But here you are obsessing over her, for heaven’s sake! Instead, man up and “listen to the scientists.” They’re all white guys too! 🙂 Consider the scientific evidence. Or is a bit of science beyond your intellectual capability?

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  26. dvorak says:

    “Ah”, but you say, “we have us air condition now”.

    Americans are voluntarily moving to Las Vegas and Phoenix, not away.

    A swamp cooler, not A/C, is often used in the desert.

    Cooling Phoenix with A/C uses less energy than heating Pittsburgh.

    Take your litany and get lost.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  27. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > the temperature data used for the hoax is fraudulent

    The lie you’re parroting from fraudulent denialists is covered here and here and here.

    But even if you never accept any objective temperature record, I want you to answer just one question: What physical quantity melts ice on a global scale? That Arctic sea ice, Greenland’s and Antarctica’s ice caps, and glaciers around the world are rapidly melting is easily observable, sans thermometer. What is rapidly melting that ice——a fact that even the Trump Administration admitson a global scale.

    > the earth’s temperature has always fluctuated

    You’re the second to parrot the #1 Denialist tactic. I already addressed it in comment #9, but if you don’t go there, just ask yourself how easy it is to survive in a “hothouse earth” or an “iceball earth.” Earth has been both, and it’s utterly ridiculous to suggest humans could have survived in all climates earth has seen these last 4 billion years.

    > In the 1970s

    Didn’t I tell folks to look up denialist arguments in before trotting them out here? I’ll be kind-hearted enough to do it for you and dispel your false notions about the 1970s.

    Denialist myth: Ice age predicted in the 70s
    Science says: The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.

    It’s pretty evident that your “social scientist” never bothered to read the scientific literature on climate science in the 70’s, or he wouldn’t be so badly misinformed about its content.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  28. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Attempting to disprove facts of science by claiming that the elite will use such facts of science to effect policies favoring them is as persuasive as claiming E=MC2 is wrong because the elites will build nuclear bombs with it and destroy the earth. Unfortunately, in spite of the elite being able to make rubble of your hometown in 20 minutes or less, E=MC2 is still true. You need to “get a clue” how science actually works.

    Furthermore, if the Right had not abdicated the Cathedral’s realm of science to the Leftist “elites” at the Scope Monkey Trials, saner policies regarding climate science might prevail.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  29. @Anonymous

    Meanwhile, nobody here is willing—so far—to debate the actual climate science with moi. I wonder why? 😉

    Glade to, mate, as soon as you bring some actual science to the discussion and not just a bunch of BS graphs of observations with no actual science to back the story you are puporting to tell.

    It’s all still a hypothesis, merely one step of actual science.

  30. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Pray tell how efficiently a swamp cooler works in southern Illinois at a wet bulb temperature of 32°C. If you don’t understand the term “wet bulb temperature,” refer to the article “What is Wet Bulb temperature?” referenced in comment #7.

    “The conditions we’re talking about basically never occur now—people in most places have never experienced them,” said lead author Ethan Coffel, a graduate student at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. “But they’re projected to occur close to the end of the century.”

    Humidity May Prove Breaking Point for Some Areas as Temperatures Rise, Says Study
    From U.S. South to China, Heat Stress Could Exceed Human Endurance

  31. @Anonymous

    – carbon
    The tree rings are cute 😀 Never mind Urey´s basic premise – that C-14 is constant – has been refuted, never mind we can now even distinguish C3 from C4 plants, but this is conclusive.
    We had a similar example – young poplar from beside the Autobahn with a C-14 age of 25.000 a (heh).
    The rest of the methodologies are circular.
    (surface pH would be expected to drop, but more data are needed, especially the CCD long-term)

    – oxygen
    Guilty of Eurocentrism, yer honor. The presented curve reeks of overconfidence in maff (a polite way of saying an artefact).
    None of the folks take “global temperature” O-18 curves TOO seriously. As long as you have ice and a thermohalokinetic current, what temperature do you expect in the deep blue sea? (trick question)
    For contrast, take the Greenland ice cores – 18.000 a ago a jump of 17° in three years (no one knows what the hell that was) but the Toba (72.000 a, VEI 8 i.e. several hundred Mt. St. Helenses) does not even register.
    (the different mindsets are well illustrated by Clarke vs. Goldschmidt regarding the average composition of the upper crust; Goldschmidt´s approach was more elegant, cheaper and quicker by orders of magnitude but Clarke was American 😛 )

    All that said, I have neither dog nor pony in this race; just let me politely decline your atheism and admonish you to never believe someone else´s maff – especially if it comes without error bars 😉

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  32. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    > BS graphs

    You’ve never encountered scientific data and facts communicated in visual form? Odd. Here’s a kid’s primer for you to get started in an understanding this graph:

    And before you trot out the ol’ correlation =/= causation bromide, read these two lines:

    Our study unambiguously shows one-way causality between the total Greenhouse Gases and GMTA [global mean surface temperature anomalies]. Specifically, it is confirmed that the former, especially CO2, are the main causal drivers of the recent warming.

    On the causal structure between CO2 and global temperature
    NATURE Scientific Reports volume 6, Article number: 21691 (2016)

    > It’s all still a hypothesis

    Wrong. You’re simply in denial.

  33. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > C-14 is constant

    NOAA states that it’s decreasing in the atmosphere, even while total CO2 goes up. Even Dr. Suess understands that.

    Globally, as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels continue to increase, both Δ14C and δ13C are decreasing over time. This is called the Suess Effect – named after Dr. Suess who first discovered this phenomenon.

    Stable and Radiocarbon Isotopes of Carbon Dioxide
    The Data: The Story Told from CO2 Samples

    > take the Greenland ice cores…jump of 17° in three years


    Source: Factcheck: What Greenland ice cores say about past and present climate change

    > your atheism

    A pejorative smear tactic; however, I’m most definitely NOT an atheist. How does not worshiping a middle-eastern deity Jewhovah and/or a magical Rabbi equate to atheism, anyway? Do tell.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  34. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Bauer didn’t prepare his essay well enough to even “offer some good sparring.”

    …it’s not clear what exactly has motivated Professor Bauer’s wide-ranging Essay Review, unless it’s just the lure of crusading against the imposed groupthink of mainstream science. That is fine and may well offer some good sparring as long as one prepares one’s case well. Unfortunately, Professor Bauer has not done so, and his arguments against AGW don’t stand up when confronted with the data and research.

    Comment on an essay denying Climate Change:
    Professor Bauer has it backwards
    Journal of Scientific Exploration 29(4):641-652 · January 2015

  35. @Anonymous

    S’il vous plait, Madame, what is the difference between ‘data’ and ‘scientific data?’

  36. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dutch Boy

    > no earthly Utopias

    You do believe in Utopias, with the exception of them existing on earth–at least for now. A couple questions for you:

    1. Is a magical Jewish Rabbi necessary to create a “Utopia?”

    2. Does this same Utopian Jewish Rabbi has magically “infinite power” over the climate, as stated in the Creationism-based 2009 Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming? (see comment #4)

    If you think that Jewsus has “infinite power” over the Climate, it’s rather difficult for you to maintain that you don’t believe in Earthly Utopias. You deniers are trying to conjure one right now, by make-believe.

  37. @Anonymous

    bit of science beyond your intellectual capability

    Intellectualize this. Why did Dr. Tim Ball win his court cases? Why was data manipulated and not disclosed to Ball as he requested?
    Climate “change” is a flat-out lie. It is an obvious facade for depopulation. Killing humans has been the goal of the Eugenicists for many years. Bernie Sanders states in the video below that he is an advocate for more abortions in the third world for the sake of “climate.” He and all like him are enemies of the poor and the worst type of racists. They promote and flaunt the idea of less people specifically in targeted ethnic regions. How many people should be eliminated for the sake of “climate?” One Billion? Three Billion? Who should be eliminated first? Africans? Hungarians? Koreans? Instead of promoting children and stable homes by reducing taxes and economic hardships, these Supremacists, who believe in their own personal preservation have no issue in destroying the human potential of others using extremely subversive methods and tyrannical networks of power. They use the young and very impressionable as proxy warriors for their death-cult agenda.

    Why should we believe any of the mainstream “environmentalists” like Al Gore and Leo DiCaprio when they maintain their beach-front properties and continuously fly around the world? I see no sacrifices on their part. I only see them accumulating more and more wealth. I would be more inclined to believe Al and Leo if they sacrificed themselves and their carbon footprints by jumping off a cliff hand-in-hand for the sake of others. I sense they won’t be doing that any time soon.

    Greta Thunberg Climate Change Hoax Dr Tim Ball Interview

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  38. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    Scientific data is pure voodoo to a low-IQ ankle-biter like you, one who is too cowardly to actually address the correlation and causality between rising CO2 and rising global temperatures, as I referenced in comment #33. I’d guess you’re also too chickenshit to admit what physical quantity melts ice. Do tell, if you remember your first grade science lessons from a couple years ago. If you need the ice mass quantified, here’s the latest “death spiral of Arctic sea ice” graph:

    What physical quantity melts ice? (Don’t confuse that with what gets your Alarmist panties moist.)

  39. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    > Why did Dr. Tim Ball win his court cases?

    Tim Ball didn’t win, liar; his denialist organization LOST the lawsuit. And was forced by the court to apologize to Mann, and to retract their lies. Article refuting your lies here:

    In 2011, renowned scientist Michael E. Mann sued a Canadian think tank that published an interview suggesting his work on climate change was fraud.

    Eight years later, the Winnipeg-based Frontier Center for Public Policy — which often promotes climate change denial — apologized Friday and wiped the inflammatory interview from its website.

    Michael E. Mann took climate change deniers to court. They apologized.
    Jun 14, 2019

    Mann also sued Tim Ball personally, and Tim ball begged the court to throw out the case because of (1) his heart attack and (2) because Tim Ball admits he’s such a lying sack-of-shit that nobody would ever believe him and thus no defamation could have taken place. Then Tim Ball declared he “won” the case, another flat-out lie.

    BTW, here’s the retraction and apology from pathological liar Tim Ball’s organization.

    > Why was data manipulated and not disclosed to Ball as he requested?

    Yet another lie from a known liar. That is not why the court case got thrown out. Tim Ball lies every times his gums flap.

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  40. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    > Speaking for myself

    Alrighty then.

    > I pay as little attention to her as possible.

    Followed by 4 attentive paragraphs about her, Seymour. Rather than awkwardly pontificating about young girls, start studying the science of those Old White Males in comment #10. And to follow in those men’s footsteps, may I suggest an easy lab experiment about how CO2 is a greenhouse gas, one that you can afford on your own? It takes only a candle (to simulate the sun) some CO2 (easy to make or cheap to buy) and a cheap ebay infared camera. Demonstrated here:

  41. @The Alarmist

    “Scientific” data have been trimmed to fit The Narrative –
    Theory and History of Science, 4th semester.
    (I should probably note that my alma mater, the cradle of modern geology, has already replaced this with mandatory Gender Studies 😛 )

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. @Anonymous

    – Dr. Suess the Littler, the geochemist?

    Well this is what I was saying.

    – “Where?”

    Some postdoc from the Alfred Wegener-Institut presented his raw data to amuse us.
    He didn´t even mention the Toba, but it was a natural question for a core of 85.000 a.

    – The problem is I have spent too much time among guys (and the occasional gal, h/t) who have forgotten more about climate than the Loud Ones will ever learn but wouldn´t dream of waxing apodictic.
    Science and religious fervor don´t mix. Why invoke God and the End of the World?
    As Laplace put it, “Sire, I had no need for that hypothesis.”

    Isn´t this what this thread should all be about?
    (The very Nature of scientific knowledge is that it is preliminary – brush up on your Popper)

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  43. @nokangaroos

    Don´t get me wrong – the alarmists are crétins and the deniers are crétins also.
    Would the lot of them STFU.

    Whenever I try to explain the limitations of a method, someone or other grabs it and runs with it.
    There is no science in the shadow of the religious psycho of whatever persuasion.
    (Accordingly most scientists regard politics as unfit for polite company 😀 )

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  44. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Sure, everybody else in the world needs to “STFU” but you, while you bloviate and equivocate. Your messiah complex is showing. Yet you mentioned 3 specific years of data that allegedly upset the apple cart and now you don’t know where. I figured as much; like the messiah, you promised, but never come back. And you’re mixing your popper and your popoff. Remember 1989 when James Hansen and denier Richard Lindzen testified before congress? Hansen said that the warming signal could be observed through the noise. Lindzen testified that it was not warming. Hansen was right. Denier Lindzen’s position has been falsified.

    Meanwhile, for all your yapping ankle-biting like a frenzied poodle, it still warms. Not only did it rain at the North Pole this summer, there were thunderstorms and lightning.

  45. The article speaks of Greta Thunberg as if she had discovered climate change and as if she were the first one to stage a protest because of that. Of course, she didn’t discover climate change or anything related to that. There are uncountable scientific institutes which study this around the world in the most different countries. Many authors have published books about this theme before GT went to school. I think it was in 1988 that James Hansen, the NASA scientist, spoke about global warming in the American Congress. The next year Bill Mckibben published a marvelous book for a larger public, The End of Nature. Before GT was born people were discussing the subject intensively in the forum of The Guardian, where several people with a scientific education gave their contribution. They won ALL discussions and made their opponents look like fools. George Monbiot wrote regularly in The Guardian about the theme. The basic science related to global warming is very old and solid. There were many protests before GT started her protest and a few people were arrested protesting against political inactivity.

    GT made a difference. She inspired other people of her age to protest. But, what counted at the end was the fact that the pupils who went to the streets are the best educated pupils, the sons of high middle class or even upper class people (pupils who finish high school in Germany, for instance, are really very well educated). They had learned about climate change in science classes in school, their parents are also well informed and support the protests more or less. In other cases the police just beat and spank protesters, but they couldn’t do this so easily against the children of the elite. Last Friday I saw a protest linked with fridays for future. Most of the people were adults. The speakers were adults.

    Angela Merkel knew about climate change (she’s a scientist herself), but she didn’t care. I believe she just hoped that nothing would happen until she retires and for some more years. But the fact is that both on (in?) the social field and in the physical field things are changing very very fast. She is intelligent enough to know that she had to react and do something. The media ignored GT until pupils were protesting widely. Only after that GT became interesting for the media. She played a role, but the moment was right for the protests to grow. There was a long preparation.

    • Replies: @vasil
    , @Twodees Partain
  46. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Trimmed to fit The Narrative reminds me of the Denialist asshole Roy Spencer who is on the payroll of Peabody Coal, and signed the Creationist document in comment #4. He tried and tried and tried harder to massage his UAH satellite data into showing no warming. But, after being forced do do revision after revision of his data to fit reality and compensate for satellite orbit decay, the Denialist asshole’s satellite data finally shows global warming, just like everybody else’s temperature data. (UAH satellite data shown in green below.) So thanks for bringing that up, great story! 🙂


    > mandatory Gender Studies

    Reminds me of the bronze age talking snake Creationist fable Roy Spencer believes in, that magically imposes “infinite power” over the Climate.

  47. vasil says:

    like is said before climate change is a overhiped threat to justify globalization and global governance

    A global threat that we can only evade by reulling nationalisms and embracing a world government, transferring power to supranational organizations that will save us from catastrophe.
    is a way of diluting differences in the face of the mythical task of saving the planet while the provincials who remain loyal to their nation are treated as traitors to humanity for putting their petty interests before global salvation.
    This is the new religion for the swj and any person with revolutionary spirit who will nurture the unversitary classrooms in the next 30 years, manufactured by the elites to justify their domination.
    The globalist elites not only control the official version but also manufacture their own opposition to drive any revolutionary ambition for their own ends.
    is all a gigantic lie.
    to think of any movement and its central point
    if in Nazism it was the race
    in capitalism money
    in green movement is the planet and its salvation

    is a political movement that armonize perfectly with the interests of the glovalist elites and helps to camouflage their true interests in the same way that they instrumentalize feminism or mass immigration under the cloak of moral superiority and in this moments of awakening of nationalism across the west could serve as a distraction

    and of course I am in favor of defending nature but there are many more solutions than giving our freedom to a small elite that only wants ABSOLUTE POWER

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  48. Why is Greta Thunberg 16 years old and showing zero signs of puberty? She looks about ten or eleven to me. Is her growth stunted from anorexia or is she taking anti-puberty medications? Either way, something is not right.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  49. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > the models are unsatisfactory

    A constant denialist trope, but wrong. The models are actually quite accurate. Let’s review the accuracy of two of the very earliest, most primitive, least accurate models. The first model below is from 1975 by Wallace Broecker who coined the term “global warming. The second model below is from 1981 by Hansen who famously testified to Congress.

    Charts sourced from: Lessons from Past Climate Predictions: Wallace Broecker

    Source: Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming?

    Not too shabby! And they get better all the time. This is how the IPCC AR4 models compare to the temperature record:

    Just like the models show, it’s getting warmer. You even said so yourself, so why nitpick at the fringes?

    • Replies: @TRM
  50. vasil says:

    lol climate histeria is glovalist clamouflage to fight against the resurgence of great narratives that ” the great replacement” represent and was sprading all across europe and the west .
    its nothing more than smoke

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  51. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Like I said before, nefarious political motives do not overturn scientific fact. The elite wanted nuclear weapons, and by your twisted “logic,” that somehow negates E=MC2 as an elitist scam to get power.

    > and of course I am in favor of defending nature

    Stop kidding around; you’re a useful-idiot shilling for Elite Billionaires’ profits. Exxon decades ago predicted global warming, quite accurately. Then they realized that admitting the truth might hurt their profits, and started a campaign of denialism against the findings of their own science.

    Source: 1982 Memo to Exxon Management about CO2 Greenhouse Effect

    • Replies: @TRM
    , @vasil
  52. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Climate science is two centuries old, established long before 2010 (the first use of the term “great replacement.” Sadly, you’re just parroting the lies of Globalist Elite Billionaires like the Koch Bros and Exxon, and trashing the very real science that could be used to justify policies that limit immigration.

    Here is an example of the opportunity that your missing. Take this study’s title…

    How Immigration May Affect Environmental Stability
    Some environmental groups are taking on the immigration issue

    …and make it into this:

    How Immigration May Affect Climate Change Mitigation
    Immigration Overloads our Resources Needed to Manage Extreme Weather Events

    Instead, you’ve chosen to blind you eyes to science and spread Globalist Elite Billionaires’ lies. A great losers strategy! But they don’t call conservatives the Stupid Party for nuthin’.

  53. TRM says:

    LOL. Oh how life imitates art.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  54. TRM says:

    To be honest I feel sorry for young people being pushed into anxiety and depression with “doom porn”. I was a teen in the 70s and remember the “Limits to Growth”, “The Population Bomb”, the cold war threatening to go nuclear and the return of the ice age constantly being pushed. It was quite the downer to put it mildly.

    Then I read “The High Frontier” by Gerad K O’Neill and the fog lifted. It was outside the box (planet) thinking at its finest. “Is the surface of a planet really the right place for expanding technological civilization?”. The fact that all the doomsters hadn’t thought of that possibility made me wonder “what else they had missed?”. A lot it turns out. They provide ZERO accounting for technological improvements as they are myopicly rooted in their era’s level of technology.

    I realized that for all the quantity and all the different ways “we’re all going to die” that the doom preachers were all inside the same box. The box was open but they couldn’t see it. I had only been looking at the 5 walls as that was all I was taught. I now saw the opening and left the box.

    Amazing the power of an idea and the written word can have on one. Hopefully Greta and others find theirs.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. TRM says:

    So what are you predictions for the next 20 years? Assume CO2 will grow by 1-2 PPM per year (China and India decide that so it’s a pretty safe assumption). Warmer, colder and by how much?

    I always have to laugh at the tag “denialist or denier”. What is the opposite? A believer. What does belief / denial have to do with science? Absolutely nothing. Zero, zip, zilch, nada.

    What do you do when you can’t follow the science in detail? Very few can due to the complexity. This applies to all sciences not just climate but I’ll focus on climate science.

    Do we “believe” one group or another? No, belief is for religion not science. Do we go with whatever the majority of scientists say? No, consensus is for politics not science.

    So what do we follow? Predictions! The scientific method requires them. If you are not making predictions that can be tested you are NOT doing science. See this 1 minute clip for an explanation:

    Get PREDICTIONS with DATES and temperatures attached to them from both the natural cycles and CO2 groups. Then check up to see if their predictions happen. It is easy for anyone to do and kind of fun. Always copy the URL so you can check the wayback machine if they “clean up” their mistakes.

    As far as global warming goes, we are at a great juncture, a true fork in the road. The IPCC projects 0.5-1.0 C increase and the natural cycles scientists predict 0.25-1.0 C decrease over the next 20 years. They can’t both be correct but they both could be wrong.

    I will make only one prediction. CO2 will continue to increase by 1-2 PPM yearly over the next 20 years. China and India have said so and that is where it is determined.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  56. Pontius says:

    Not sure what you’re saying here. I have routinely worked all day in temperatures exceeding 35c with a humidex of over 40c and non of our crew have dropped dead. That includes working inside closed buldings with tens of thousands of horsepower worth of machinery throwing off megawatts worth of heat.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Why are you obsessing about a young girl’s itty bitty titties? Are you a pervert? Or just a rug-munching dyke? Either way with you, something is not right!

    Meanwhile, in spite of your petty cuntery, CO2 is well over 400 ppm, something Earth has not encountered for 15 Million Years.

    Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report

    Do you imagine that there will be zero consequences as humans evaporate earth’s coal beds and oil fields into our thin atmosphere? Or are Greta’s boobs more important?

    • Replies: @Red Pill Angel
  58. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    What is the opposite of science-denial? Science. You’re making it way too difficult, and likely on purpose, to obfuscate.

    > Predictions!

    You think you’re the great science messiah and the only person in the world to understand it, right? LOL! Go look at the predictions made in 1975 and 1981 in comment #50. Or Exxon’s similar prediction made in 1982 in comment #53. All quite accurate “Predictions!”

    > Get PREDICTIONS with DATES and temperatures

    I already did. You missed them, Mr. Magoo. Comments #50 and #53. It’s all been done, and you’re too damned clueless to see it. Quit pontificating, and start actually looking around, Mr. Magoo.

    > the natural cycles scientists predict 0.25-1.0 C decrease over the next 20 years.

    You truly are myopic, Mr. Magoo. Go look at Wallace Broecker 1975 model I posted in comment #50 (click on the link to see Broecker’s model it clearer) who already has proven that the natural cycles favoring cooling have been overpowered by CO2 induced global warming. The next 20 years of global warming will be a re-hash of what “PREDICTIONS with DATES and temperatures” have already been validated.

  59. @Anonymous

    Tim Ball didn’t win.

    “British Columbia Supreme Court has found in Ball’s favour. As a bonus, Mann will now have to pay Ball’s court costs.”

    Holle made the apology for the Frontier Centre on June 7th and not Ball.

    Abrams, Cheney, Clinton and many others on the CFR roster are complicit in starting wars and destroying countries leaving behind shells of depleted uranium. However, since their fake altruism knows no limits they are now lecturing the world on climate change. It`s amazing how many jump on board to be proxy warriors for the Council on Foreign Relations and its very famous war-mongering members.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  60. TRM says:

    Dr Nakamura disagrees with you. He calls the models “toys”.

    You may also want to read the following slashdot article by Dr Brown of DukeU

    We are 30 orders of magnitude (not 30 times) away from the computing power required.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @El Dato
  61. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re “not sure” because you didn’t read the article on Wet Bulb Temperature referenced in comment #7. An excerpt:

    Heat stress is more conventionally measured by other quantities such as…”humidex,” and so on….None of these numbers has any theoretical basis or direct relation to heat-transfer laws

    Muh Feelz anecdotes do not trump heat-transfer laws.

  62. vasil says:

    Lolol you have all the globalist stablishment in your side from the msm to all the european union burocrats rising greta the globohomo pawn to stardom and politicing the global warming debate ia dualistic way offering us fake solutions for overhiped thread .
    im for the conservation of nature but not the point of giving my sovereignty to the ones who have created the problem in the first place.

    This mass histeria like i said only respond to trying to traslate the public debate from the rising nationalistic sphere to one in armony with the glovalist goals and trying to make the two worldviews incompatible WHEN THEY ARE NOT

    ahhh and if you and the glovalist elites really cared so much about nature and the gloval warning you should know that diversity and inmigrantion lessen a lot the concern with gloval warning

    BUT LIKE I SAY THE GLOVALIST SYMPLY DONT CARE only using the this overhiped thread to advance their own interest.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > remember the “Limits to Growth”

    Have you checked the predictions against the last 40 years of reality? The predictions have proven highly accurate, as this graph from the study below shows:

    Source: “So far, Limits to Growth checks out with reality…”

    Not that Gerald K O’Neill’s “The High Frontier” isn’t fun to read; I’ve still got a copy.

  64. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    It doesn’t matter how many liars you quote, Tim Ball’s organization “Frontier Centre” lost and was forced by the court to apologize and retract their lies. You even admit it now, while trying to distract attention from the court case loss by nitpicking about who signed the apology and retraction. And nobody won Mann’s suit against Tim Ball personally, because Tim Ball begged the court to throw it out because of concerns about his heart attack and heath. Calling that a “win” is a lie. Those are the facts. Pile on lie after lie a mile deep if you wish, lies don’t matter.

    > CFR…wars…depleted uranium….

    Trying to distract from the lies you’ve been parroting? Squirrel!

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  65. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Who cares if some Jap wants to publicly state his ignorance of scientific modeling by calling models “toys?” As John von Neumann stated, “the sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models.” And yes, we all understand that “models are simplified reflections of reality.” Still, they are “extremely useful.”

    > We are 30 orders

    No, you and the Jap are myopically four decades behind times. Go look at Wallace Broecker’s 1975 model in comment #50. His model, while being extremely simple, also proved extremely useful in predicting global warming, especially notable in a time when temperatures were in a decline after WWII. All subsequent models are only refining and making more accurate Broecker’s proven predictive model.

    I suggest you read this, and take a further look at models here:

    While some models projected less warming than we’ve experienced and some projected more, all showed surface temperature increases between 1970 and 2016 that were not too far off from what actually occurred, particularly when differences in assumed future emissions are taken into account.

    Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming?”

  66. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re merely projecting as you shill for Globalist Elite Billionaires like (((Robert Mercer.))) SAD! Meanwhile, you ignore the factual scientific evidence. Do you dare to consider this question: What physical quantity melts ice?

  67. @Anonymous

    You are projecting. You are the liar.
    The B.C. Supreme Court awarded the decision to Ball.
    While you’re posting here at Unz, why don’t you read Ron’s “American Pravda” series in full and educate yourself instead of being a proxy warrior for the extremely wealthy.
    If not, carry on being a minion for the Supremacists and mass murderers of the world. You are the tangible proof of what Bernays wrote in ‘Propaganda.’ I highly doubt that reiterating climate dogma enough will give anyone, the opportunity to be included in the circles of DiCaprio, Al Gore and Clooney. The oligarchs always discard their proxies after use.

    BTW, the fact that you think discussing depleted uranium is a distraction, reveals you for what you really are. ‘DEPLETED URANIUM A POST-WAR DISASTER FOR ENVIRONMENT AND HEALTH’ –

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  68. John Coleman, Weather Channel founder states, “Climate change is not happening.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  69. vasil says:

    > shill
    > that condescendence tone

    lol you are jewish shill if i ever see one,always championicing ideologies under the mask of human rights and the common interest of humanity but always secretly advancing your ethnocentric interest at the expense of everyone else:comunism ,feminism,cultural marxism and now the new troy horse gloval warning .

    and you and all the elite glovalist from european union,main stream media ….wont hickjack a legitimate but overhiped thread like the gloval warming is and making it incopatible with nationalism BECAUSE IS NOT.

    and if you want SCIENCE here it is

    >Social fragmentation is often associated with reduced co-operative behaviour, which undermines public goods provision (such as environmental protection). The few studies linking social fragmentation and environmental performance have been confined to using ethnic fractionalisation as the only measure of social heterogeneity. In this paper, we contribute to the literature in a twofold manner. First, we bring into the analysis alternative measures of social fragmentation (i.e. religious fractionalisation, ethnic/religious polarisation), that have received considerable attention in development economics in recent years. Second, this is the first study to our knowledge that makes use of a large panel dataset of several environmental indicators to explore links between ethnic/religious diversity and the environment. We find that all indices of social fragmentation are negatively linked to measures of environmental quality, although for some of them the size of the effect is larger in the case of polarisation.

    1% of increase in inmigration reduce the concern for the gloval warming a 1,6%

    so the same glovalist that are championizing masive inmigration are making our societies more sceptic and and pasive toward fighting the the gloval warming that so eagerly pretend to championize , a total disonest fraud that only want to advance their own glovalist interest using a real but overhiped thread and selling us only one posibilty; surrender all our sovereighty to them.


    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nokangaroos
  70. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    S’il vous plait, Madame, what physical quantity melts ice?

    Source: NASA

  71. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    > The B.C. Supreme Court awarded the decision to Ball.

    Not true. You’re lying, and doubling down on your lies. Ball’s organization LOST and Ball’s personal lawsuit was tossed out because Ball complained about health hardships from his heart attack, and pleaded with the court that since he’s a lying scumfuck that nobody would ever believe, what he said shouldn’t be considered libel.

    > instead of being a proxy warrior for the extremely wealthy.

    That’s you, projecting, again. You’re shilling as a merchant of doubt for the Globalist Elite Billionaires who, like Big Tobacco, don’t want their profits bothered.

  72. getaclue says:
    @The Alarmist

    Total bs– we now know NOAA and others changed temperature data for their fraudulent models, the entire thing is based on fraud and cooking the books type “Science”– 30,000 US Scientists have signed on that it is a total FRAUD but the Globalist NWO Media ignores this and lies as to “consensus” there is none!– your “graphs” are based on lies– this is just a hoax that the “Elites” are going to use to impoverish the peons completely while transfering trillions to themselves and some are in on it, paid \$\$\$, and some are fools putting up graphs and other bs of meaningless “information” based on lies:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. getaclue says:

    “facts of science” — LOL– are you retarded or getting paid to be a tool? The “facts” have been shown to be total bs as NOAA and others have been shown as committing fraud as to temperature data to support their lying models of disaster. 30,000 US Scientist have affirmed it is a FRAUD– there is no “consensus” except in the lying Mainslime Media– stop being a tool for the “Elite” who want to impoverish the peons completely– get off of Soros’ train of lies and stop spreading propaganda:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  74. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    So what? His degree is in journalism. LOL! And journalism major Coleman was forced out of The Weather Channel in 1983. Read about this journalist fruitcake here:

    Weather Channel co-founder John Coleman prefers conspiracies to climate science

    One of his most infamous denialist lies is “the Arctic ice cap at the North Pole is at the highest it has been in several years.” Wrong!

  75. getaclue says:

    So you cite paid off Globalist shills and that makes it true? Total bs. NOAA did exactly what Canada is now doing (flushing the temperature data so they can make computer models forecasting disaster based on lies…) The fact you site these paid off shills is meaningless. 30,000 USA Scientists have signed and affirmed that it is a HOAX. None of this gets covered by the Globalist lying Mainslime Media trying to claim there is a “consensus” when there isn’t–those receiving grant money–hundreds of millions– to participate in the scam are onboard –those not bought off are not. The ex-head of Greenpeace has now said it is a total FRAUD. Stop being a propagandist for Soros and the “Elite” who want the peons back in the Stone Age and a transfer of trillions to them in their “green” shakedowns–the amount of lies by the Climate Hoaxers are unbelievable and every time they are called out they lie some more. There is no “consensus”, even if there was (and there isn’t) that isn’t how Science works, and the majority of Scientists do not agree with Al Gore and the hoaxers:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    > you are jewish shill

    You’re projecting, Jew-worshiper. The Jew-worshiping denialists like you believe in a magical Jewish deity from the Holy Hook who has magical powers over the climate, as evidenced by the 2009 Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming in comment #4.

    As to the scientific journal article you posted, I enjoyed it, but with your poor English and weird spelling, I cannot make heads nor tails of your conclusions from it. Can you communicate in standard English? Or just wait to type until you’re not drunk?

    • Replies: @vasil
  77. getaclue says:

    Sorry, Jon Baptist totally smoked you. All you have is lying and graphics based on lies. Your comments as to DU show you are a shill and really could care less about very serious environmental issues– that one killed and destroyed the lives of uncountable numbers of people and the ones who did it are pushing the “Climate Change” Hoax and your signed up with them. The Court ruled in Ball’s favor and wrote an OPINION which you avoid like the plague and lie about–are you paid to do this or just a cultist? You put up a bunch of slick bs but the truth is now known that Soros’ and his “Elite’ buddies “Global Warming” er “Climate Change” agenda is just a transfer of trillions to “Elites” and is based on lies and fraud just like you perpetuate. When Gore got involved in perpetuating this Hoax he was worth \$2 million he is now worth \$100 million and more– getting on the right side of the Hoax pays well. His predictions are all crap–Polar Caps melted long ago etc. People are tired of liars — “Russian Collusion” etc. — and the phony lying Mainslime Media parrotting bought off “experts”. 30,000 USA Scientists have stated and AFFIRMED that it is a FRAUD. There is no “consensus”, science doesn’t work that way anyway, and all the fancy graphs in the world are meaningless based on the fraudulent data used–citing the same frauds again to explain away their actions is laughable. You need to sell your bs where people are uninformed and brainwashed– here there are many who don’t go that way….:

  78. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re the one citing paid-off shills for the Globalist Elite Billionaires, and merely psychologically projecting that onto me. Stop being a propagandist for the Globalist Elite Billionaires. For example:


    > the majority of Scientists


    > There is no “consensus”

    There is, and this is the way a “consensus” works in science, as explained by NASA:

    Technically, a “consensus” is a general agreement of opinion, but the scientific method steers us away from this to an objective framework. In science, facts or observations are explained by a hypothesis (a statement of a possible explanation for some natural phenomenon), which can then be tested and retested until it is refuted (or disproved).

    As scientists gather more observations, they will build off one explanation and add details to complete the picture. Eventually, a group of hypotheses might be integrated and generalized into a scientific theory, a scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.

    Scientific Consensus: Earth’s Climate is Warming

    • Replies: @getaclue
  79. Svevlad says:

    It’s the mafia, pure and simple – ecobusiness is now more profitable than gambling, drugs and weapons

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  80. @Anonymous

    Lol, ok, say you’re right, I’m a rug-munching dyke and the world is ending in ten years, but your hand-wringing is contrived. You’re a phony and Greta is a bad actress. I work at a university and watch scientists who claim to believe all this flying around the world twice a year, doing important science s\$&@. I bet you don’t even sort your recycling, you socialist twit.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    The world is ending in ten years? LOL!! I never said that, and don’t know anybody who did, liar. By the way, if you think hypocrisy automatically invalidates everything, well, you surely wouldn’t go to church, would you?

    > I bet you don’t even sort your recycling, you socialist twit.

    I’m not a socialist, dumbcunt. Don’t sort any recycling, and voted for Trump. And like the Trump Administration publicly says regarding climate science:

    1. The globe is warming 7°F by 2100. (see comment #7)

    The Trump Administration Forecasts 7 Degrees Fahrenheit of Global Warming by 2100

    2. The Arctic ice is rapidly melting. (see comment #18 & #28)

    Pompeo says shrinking Arctic sea ice presents ‘new opportunities for trade’

    Is the Trump Administration correct, or not? All I’ve ever asserted here is what the Trump Administration states publicly.

    p.s. Do you know what physical quantity melts ice?

  82. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Are oil and coal not profitable?

    …Koch Industries as a “kingpin of climate science denial,” outpacing ExxonMobil when it comes to donations to organizations opposing established climate science…

    Nothing is as quite as wholesome as building oil pipelines for the Russian dictator Joseph Stalin, right? LOL

  83. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re repeating the same tedious Gish Gallop of denialist lies over and over and over again. With liars like you, it’s best to just ask the question that you liars never dare to answer: What melts ice?

    In 1966, the park had 35 named glaciers large enough to be considered active. By 2015, only 26 named glaciers remained. The average area reduction was 39 percent, though some lost as much as 85 percent.

    Melting Glaciers | Glacier National Park, Montana

  84. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    If you had the slightest clue, you would know that the Globalist Elite Koch brothers have spent millions to make you to rattle off that laundry list of perceived grievances.

    And you still haven’t the slightest clue what melts ice. That’s sad!

  85. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems folks here appreciate The Simpsons as much as Al Gore himself.

  86. @Anonymous

    The latent heat of water is 1420.6 FAHR., hence the quantity of heat to melt a certain weight of ice is 142.6 times the quantity required to raise the same weight of water 1 degree in temperature; hence a measure of air, in order to reduce its own volume of ice to the liquid condition, must lose 3080 X 142-6, or 439,208 degrees of temperature.

    Am I close?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:

    Trigger warning: 500,000 in Montreal today, where Greta was…

    Trump has taken notice of a possible tipping point, and is prepared to return to his original stance on Global Warming that he signed in 2009, as follows:

    This ad appeared in The New York Times in December 2009, urging President Barack Obama to push a global climate change pact being negotiated in Copenhagen. Donald J. Trump and members of his family supported the ad, along with other business leaders.

    An Ad Trump Signed Supporting Action on Climate Change

    He’ll flip the script, using climate science to limit immigration, as I suggested in comment #54. Win-win bipartisanship. Watch for it.

  88. @UncommonGround

    “The article speaks of Greta Thunberg as if she had discovered climate change and as if she were the first one to stage a protest because of that.”

    No, it doesn’t. Go back and read the article before commenting, please.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  89. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Well good, I finally get an answer to my scientific inquiry into what melts ice, and with a cherry on top, she understands it takes lots and lots of heat to punch through that “latent heat of fusion.” That thermal energy calculates to 4 Hiroshima bombs worth of heat being added to our atmosphere every second, which then melts ice as observed around the globe.

    Our climate is absorbing a lot of heat. When scientists add up all of the heat warming the oceans, land, and atmosphere and melting the ice, they find our climate is accumulating 4 Hiroshima atomic bombs worth of heat every second.

    Good job!

    Now, what is the source of all this extra ice-melting, glacier-disappearing, global-scale warming? Any guesses? No obligation or challenge, I think you already did a full day’s work stepping up to answer a question all the men at Unz avoid.

    • Replies: @Red Pill Angel
  90. Anonymous[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Yeah, it does.

    A child is the source of all wisdom.

    Now who needs to go back and read the article before commenting? Touche. 🙂 Now don’t feel too bad, I think you might be smart enough to answer my question: What melts ice?

  91. vasil says:

    of course you cant explain it

    because the real motive behind the western histeria behind the gloval warming is only the interest of the glovalist class of replacing the nationalist debate that was gaining momentum all across the west with the climate warming thread that dont give a shit about, if they did they wouldnt let million of inmigrants that lessen the support of the climate change .
    not only that the green party all across the west are the most fervernt defensors of inmigration ,the glovalist needed another western scale party to sustitute the dying socialdemocrats and they have found his successor that in armony with their interests

    like is said before climate change is a overhiped threat to justify globalization and global governance

    A global threat that we can only evade by reulling nationalisms and embracing a world government, transferring power to supranational organizations that will save us from catastrophe.
    is a way of diluting differences in the face of the mythical task of saving the planet while the provincials who remain loyal to their nation are treated as traitors to humanity for putting their petty interests before global salvation.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  92. @Anonymous

    By the way, if you think hypocrisy automatically invalidates everything

    What hypocrisy? Who is acting against what they truly believe?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  93. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:

    The Elite “Glovalist” LoLbertarian Open-Borders Billionaire Koch Bros have made you parrot everything they paid millions to make you parrot. Why ignore science and be such a fool?

    Exclusive: Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science
    Audit trail reveals that donors linked to fossil fuel industry are backing global warming sceptics

    • Replies: @El Dato
  94. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:

    Science-denying cowards like you can’t even answer a first grade science lesson question: What melts ice?

    Well? What melts ice? Do you have the slightest clue?

    • Replies: @getaclue
  95. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Your hypocrisy, Reggie. What do you truly believe is melting ice all over the globe?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  96. @Anonymous

    Oh no, here I thought if I answered your magic question you would shut up, but you’ve been up all night churning out more. What’s your real name, Rumpelstiltkin? Btw, how much does this globalist internet troll climate change shill job pay? Are there good benefits? Asking for a friend!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nokangaroos
  97. @vasil

    Interesting point, actually 😀
    I´ve never seen it quantified before but it makes sense …
    “…for ourselves and our posterity to enjoy [ ]” Geeez!
    Whoda thunk the old ones weren´t stupid?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  98. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Red Pill Angel

    Magic? That is what science-deniers admittedly believe. See the 2009 Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming (comment #4) how science-deniers believe Jewhovah has magical “infinite power” over the climate, so that they can magically avoid any consequences for evaporating vast coal beds and oil fields into earth’s thin atmosphere.

    The query of ‘what melts ice’ is about science. And it demonstrates just how cowardly deniers of science are. Because once you answer ‘what melts ice’ on a global scale, then you must name the source of that global scale warming. And you’re too much a coward to consider the source of the global warming that you admitted when you answered ‘what melts ice.’

    Of course, you’re female, and with their lesser mathematical capabilities, a term like watts per square meter is possibly beyond your intellectual reach.

    Pay? You’re the one shilling for the Globalist Elite Billionaires to deny science so as to protect their profits, same thing you did for Big Tobacco, smearing science that proved smoking causes cancer as “junk” to protect profits.

  99. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:

    Our posterity will not enjoy much on the way to extinction in the most horrible way, as the old ones in the Senate already know.

    “I told the [Senate] Inquiry that, after nuclear war, human-induced global warming is the greatest threat to human life on the planet,” Barrie wrote in the new paper. “Human life on Earth may be on the way to extinction, in the most horrible way.”

    Human Civilization Will Crumble by 2050 If We Don’t Stop Climate Change Now, New Paper Claims

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  100. @Anonymous

    I haven’t noticed a single prescription in any of your many comments. Why is that?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  101. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I haven’t noticed that science-deniers like you even know what melts ice, a first grade science lesson. Why is that?

    What melts ice? Who wants to discuss even “a single prescription” with a first grade dropout who never advanced to second grade science lessons?

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  102. “Guilt” and “shame” are mechanisms of social control that lubricate civilization and enable liberty by keeping everybody and his mama in line without undue réglementation.
    Those who know neither guilt nor shame we call “psychopaths” if White and male.
    If black, female and/or jewish we call them “Democrats*”.
    They are in no position to shame anyone.

    David Reich famously exhorted his Boasist-Lysenkoist sycophants to not allow themselves to be trapped in a scientifically indefensible position; go ye, then, and do ye likewise.
    – Yes, Virginia, there is a climate.
    – No, the sky is not falling.
    – Now go die, you whiny little shit.

    * obviously in the Volksfront sense and not the literal; also, I do not want this understood as an endorsement of the other side.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  103. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    The scientifically indefensible position is yours, i.e., “it’s not bad,” the #3 most frequent denialist cliché, as collated at Unfortunately, you’ve got your head up your ass, in denial.

  104. @Anonymous

    Didn´t recognize the quote?
    Madison Grant, famous dead old male White supremacist and founding father of the National Park system 😉
    But Vasil´s point was something else:
    “Won´t somebody please think of the CHILDREN?!!!” (Mrs. Lovejoy, again The Simpsons)
    Wot! MY children? Apart from being somewhat hampered by nonexistence, I keep being told they will have no place in the Brave New World anyway.
    So what do these – THINGS – want from me?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  105. @Anonymous

    Driving cars and flying airplanes and using computers melts ice. Therefore these activities, if not to be banned, must be reduced to African levels. In turn, African breeding must be reduced to Estonian or South Korean levels, by Chinese methods if necessary. Good luck with these platforms in any modern democracy!

    I have a problem, though. We live 16 miles from the nearest hospital. If one of our three children gets sick– yes, I’m a breeding criminal– I have to choose between carrying that child on my back for fifteen miles on a bicycle– more like 20 using our county’s designated bike routes– or driving and melting half of Greenland.

    You have the luxury of having no children and no car, and living within walking distance of a hospital, so it’s easy for you to preach.

    Which is what you and Gretl are doing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  106. @Anonymous

    Although lately, the Chicoms have been caught Red-handed, cheating on the Montreal Protocol.

    Why would you expect any differently? Human nature, Sinic nature, predicts this.

    International “protocols” are for foolish baizuo suckers.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  107. @Red Pill Angel

    It really seems the Gretniks are sending their troll army far and wide – they have no shortage of galvanized yoof 😛
    [yellow with envy]
    But you have to give it to them:
    – The presentation was done by someone who knew what he was doing – over half of it is first rate. I haven´t seen some of the graphs myself.
    – They have nice pictures.
    – Their knowledge is the proverbially dangerous “little” one.
    – The talking points (and some of the temperature graphs) target the left side of the Bell Curve.
    – Missionary fervour (brrr)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  108. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Do you prefer your posterity going extinct? Consider the following ABC’s of of your children’s extinction if Trump is correct in his 80 year forecast:

    (A) The Trump Administration forecasts 4°C warming within a human lifetime.[1]

    (B) Scientists have discovered that “the near-annihilation of planetary life recorded in the end-Permian extinction event was associated with a ~ 6 °C increase in global average temperature.”[2]

    (C) Rate of climate change in mass extinctions is also important.[3] When you decelerate in a car from 60 to 0 in 3 seconds, you can live. When you decelerate in 0.03 seconds at a brick wall, you’re dead. Unfortunately, anthropogenic global warming is rising at nearly the rate of an asteroid hitting the earth, akin to slamming into the proverbial brick wall in geological time.

    [2] Co-extinctions annihilate planetary life during extreme environmental change
    [3] Rates of projected climate change dramatically exceed past rates of climatic niche evolution among vertebrate species.
    [4] Chart source: Andrew Glikson, Earth and climate scientist, Australian National University

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  109. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Driving cars and flying airplanes and using computers melts ice.

    Thou hast said it yourself.

    > You have the luxury of having no children and no car, and living within walking distance of a hospital

    Wrong, on all three false accusations. I’ve got multiple SUVs, multiple gas and diesel powered “toys,” multiple children, live multiple miles from a hospital. You science-deniers get so accustomed to telling lies, it becomes habitual. It’s very sad that you’re a pathological liar, on the level of Liddle Adam Schiff. Is it a defense mechanism to avoid rational thinking?

    And I’ve already thrown out a prescriptive pearl of stopping immigration as a conservative climate change policy, as I suggested in comment #54, and had it trod under by swine like you. No more pearls for liars until you repent of your sins.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  110. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    Galvanized yoof? Thanks for the compliment, even though I’m over the hill. But, as much as you want the conversation to be about me personally—as wonderful as you’ve described me—it’s not. I’m here talking about the science of anthropogenic global warming. Something you’re too much of a chickenshit coward to confront.

  111. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Why would you expect any differently?

    I wouldn’t; some linguists say human language itself evolved primarily to cheat, so no surprises there.

    > International “protocols” are for foolish baizuo suckers.

    The Montreal Protocol has been successful at stopping the ozone hole from getting larger, and it has actually shrunk somewhat, as evidenced by the NASA chart in comment #21. But like a poker game, rules have to be strictly enforced against cheaters.

    But CO2 output treaties have a more complicated problem.

  112. @Anonymous

    I’ve got multiple SUVs, multiple gas and diesel powered “toys,” multiple children, live multiple miles from a hospital.


    I made the mistake of assuming you argue in good faith. Your carbon footprint is an EEE. At any rate, it’s a significant multiple of mine, just like the diversity advocates in the city I escaped all seemed to live in car whiter neighborhoods than mine.

    And I’ve already thrown out a prescriptive pearl of stopping immigration as a conservative climate change policy, as I suggested in comment #54, and had it trod under by swine like you

    I’ve been promoting tight immigration restrictions on from the beginning, and on Steve Sailer’s site before that. That would be easy to verify, as I’ve been using a consistent pseudonym, not an anonym.

    Now I have a prescriptive pearl for you: take your SUVs and other toys to the crusher, and leave the rest of us alone until you do.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  113. @Anonymous

    Maybe YOUR posterity will not sound like a Jehovah´s Witness on PCP but my –
    how you have evolved from the little ELIZA algorithm 😛

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  114. getaclue says:

    Surprised you’re not putting up the starving Polar Bear photo too? You know the one that was being pasted all the time like your junk here and then was shown to be yet again another total FRAUD. LOL…Desperate–are you getting paid by the graphic? Amazing same day Soros sent Greta out to yell at the UN — 500 Real Scientist put the UN on notice that there is no emergency as the Climate fraudsters are trumpeting everywhere (especially at children of course, because when you’re pushing a fraud that’s how you roll, using children and hiding behind them….):

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  115. getaclue says:

    They’ve done all this “Greta” type propaganda before of course. When you are a total fraud using children, scaring them and hiding behind them is your go to tactic of course. Soros’ “handler” is always right beside Greta wherever she goes anywhere in the world–and that is a sorry fact. Basically a replay….Here you go:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  116. getaclue says:

    500 Real Scientists disagreed with Greta’s show at the UN and filed their letter stating same with them that day. Of course not a word of their message to the UN in the Mainslime NWO Media– real Scientists vs. a 15 year old girl whose own handlers tell us is mentally ill– which side is Soros on? Ok we go with her…. What is up with the paid shills and their glossy phony charts and exhibits out in force here? Seems since the site gets more traffic now we have all the paid Soros’ NGO shills hanging out here posting their doomsday cooked data info en mass– they must believe the site is influential? Perhaps if they can convince some of the brighter people here that Al Gore was right that the Arctic Caps would melt by a few years back (as he predicted along with many other ridiculous predictions that bombed….) then they can unleash more Gretas too finish up the job on the rest of the peons and rubes for “Mr. Soros” and his NWO buddies to rake in trillions thru the hoax? Here are 500 Real Scientists and no cooked data:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  117. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    > Your carbon footprint…significant multiple of mine || Roger, receiving your virtue signal five by five!

    > take your SUVs and other toys to the crusher || Gonna make me, Miss Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

    Now sit down and buckle up; I’m going to introduce you to two Paradoxes.

    (1) Jevon’s Paradox: Conservation only makes a resource more economical for the next asshole to use. as this study shows “energy conservation does not help.”

    “Making civilization more energy efficient simply allows it to grow faster and consume more energy,” says Garrett.

    He says the idea that resource conservation accelerates resource consumption – known as Jevons paradox – was proposed in the 1865 book “The Coal Question” by William Stanley Jevons, who noted that coal prices fell and coal consumption soared after improvements in steam engine efficiency.

    Is Global Warming Unstoppable?

    There you have it. Global Warming is unstoppable! But the present circumstances in which we humans have put ourselves are even worse that global warming being unstoppable. Here’s the real stinker, another paradox that is even more disturbing to the climate movement:

    (2) McPherson’s Paradox: Damned if you don’t, damned if you do.

    A) if we don’t stop burning fossil fuels and cut out the CO2 going into the atmosphere, runaway greenhouse will kill us; however,

    B) if we DO stop burning fossil fuels, particulates will stop going into the atmosphere and will stop reflecting sunlight back into outer space, i.e., “global dimming” will go away. Once it goes away, temperatures will go up at 1.3°C in a matter of weeks, which will push us over the 3°C temperature limit.


    So your suggestion that that I crush my toys would lead to quicker global warming, much faster than if I continue to spew “global dimming” aerosols into the atmosphere. That makes you a genocidal baby killer!!! 🙂 LOL! Well, not really, but most conservatives or totally clueless about the science and those two climate paradoxes.

    Given those two climate paradoxes, what prescriptions should one prescribe?

    I suggest the prescriptions be along the lines of very CONSERVATIVE HOSPICE CARE for a terminal patient, just as if you found out you have stage-IV pancreatic cancer. You’re done, very soon; however, you still have some living to do, and as comfortably as you can manage. Prohibiting visitation and the taking-in of strangers is one conservative policy detail upon which we both agree.

    If you want to have something to say to the female democrat GretaKinders, the two paradoxes above can be summed up in a blunt and very true statement by this famous female democrat:

  118. getaclue says:

    You must be paid by the Chart. Just more bs on a chart and so it means something? Why don’t you just put one out and say “Trust in George–He Only Has Your Interests At Heart!”– naw guess you know that would’t work as Soros has to always hide himself behind others or little “Gretas” as any whiff of him and people know “something evil this way cometh…” — but he pays well to his propagandists, no?

    Such tactics don’t work here they might in the Elementary Schools Soros and his “Elite” NWO buddies are targeting with their propaganda and lies. There is zero chance you are not getting paid in some way for this “production” either directly or you are affiliated with some NGO and \$ is flowing some how down wind to you from this scam? Here are Real Scientist by the way on the enclosed link– on the day young Greta was bloviating about the misery of living in the fraudulent doomed world of the NWO propagandists — they sent a letter disputing the Climate Alarmist/Hoaxers lies and actually signed it. They didn’t hide behind an autistic child. They are not Soros or Globalist NWO shills and they aren’t involved in cooking data to make up misleading charts to post around the internet.

    The bs Al Gore has been selling in his predictions– the Polar Caps were melted years ago according to his earlier failed predictions — fail one after another and yet more then just replace them–no problem from the Globalist Mainslime Media — they play right along as they are paid to do so. “Global Warming” doesn’t fly so “Climate Change” is put forth– who can argue with that? I hope you get your wish to go back to the Stone Age but that you don’t succeed in taking any others with you as we know are the intentions of Soros and the NWO “Elites” — who so hate the peons but love to lie to them, scare them and cheat them.

    Here are REAL SCIENTISTS as to the scam you are desperately trying to help perpetuate (not real successful here though–not too many elementary school children hanging out here so your target audience isn’t here….) Not too late for you to post the dying Polar Bear fraud photo–maybe someone here doesn’t know about that one either?:

  119. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    > Polar Bear…another total FRAUD

    Lying deniers took a IUCN study in which a single population increased out of 19 different polar bear population, and falsely claimed that polar bears are just fine. Deniers lied-by-omission, as the total polar bear population was going down. You science-deniers lie and lie and lie and lie, habitually, like the pathological liars you are.

    According to a 2009 report by the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group, of the 19 recognised subpopulations of polar bears, 8 are in decline, 1 is increasing, 3 are stable and 7 don’t have enough data to draw any conclusions.

    How will global warming affect polar bears?

    When are you going to stop spreading lies, liar? You’ve revealed who your Father is, you goddam lying jackass. Oh, and here’s what you begged for:

  120. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    > Al Gore….Polar Caps

    Here’s the story on that, from the point of the US Navy nuclear submarine fleet, both boomers and attack, which is immensely concerned with the ice conditions in the Arctic. Here’s the PIOMAS chart to which he referred:

    As you can see , from 2002 to 20012, the downward PIOMAS trend had greatly accelerated, and Al Gore took an extrapolation of the trend and used the same urgency it was communicated as a possibility to the US Navy for which the submarine fleet had to prepare for Arctic operations.

    Instead, the trend popped back into the grey 95% confidence level these last several years. But the Arctic sea ice is still melting, rapidly. Don’t forget that, you scamming denier.

  121. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    > “Global Warming” doesn’t fly so “Climate Change”

    Yours is yet another damnable lie told by a habitual liar. The term “climate change” was used decades before the term “global warming” was coined in 1975 by Wallace Broecker (see his “global warming” climate model in comment #50) in the well established journal “Climactic Change.”

    And a google Ngram further proves the falsehood of your pathological lies. Both terms are used in the body of published literature:

    Chart source: Climate Myth: They changed the name from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’

    I have an important question for you: When are you going to get a clue and stop lying? All you print is lie after lie after lie after lie.

  122. The former head of the Green Party, former Congress Rep. Cynthia Mckinney has retweeted the following. She is calling out the tyrannical “climate” fraud for the garbage that it is.

  123. getaclue says:

    As all sane people now know the photograph link to “Climate Change” was admitted as a fraud finally by the actual people behind it:

    Further your statements as to declining polar bear populations are debunked completely by the WWF 2017 study–8 years forward from what you used to try and bolster your hoaxing… — so stop calling people liars when you are clearly a disinformation agent/propagandist.:

    Today, polar bears are among the few large carnivores that are still found in roughly their original habitat and range–and in some places, in roughly their natural numbers.

    Although most of the world’s 19 populations have returned to healthy numbers, there are differences between them. Some are stable, some seem to be increasing, and some are decreasing due to various pressures.

    Status of the polar bear populations
    Last updated 2017 with data from the IUCN Polar Bear Specialists Group

    1 population was in decline
    2 populations were increasing
    7 populations were stable
    9 populations were data-deficient (information missing or outdated)
    Some populations are still hunted quite heavily, and their status is uncertain.” –PLEASE NOTE ALL: Anonymous chart guy is here caught having cherry picked a number from 2009 when 2017 was available that shows the opposite of the misinformation he chose to post to bolster his propaganda/lies as to the “Climate Change” hoax. This show exactly the type of fraud Climate Hoaxers perpetuate in trying to propagandize their lies– he has now been caught red handed trying to pass off disinformation right here on UNZ– how will he lie about this now? How do you “explain” such deceptive tactics being so “honest” about “the Science”? Total frauds in service of the “Elite” agenda to screw all of us….– statistics out of date that the true ones now show there is no problem as to Polar Bear numbers–this is how they roll, this is what they do…. You –“Anonymous” Chart guy– you now have zero credibility. You failed–Soros needs his money back….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  124. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Not surprisingly, you and a dumb Negro are spreading even more lies manufactured by the Globalist Elite Billionaires who, just like Big Tobacco once did, are smearing real science as “junk” and spreading lies. Tim Mann’s chart is a complete fraud, taking an old 1982 schematic from Central England (!!!) that ended in 1950, fraudulently moving the time scale, something lying deniers do with regularity, then claiming it was a global average. The origins of his fraudulent “big ol’ red humpback” graph have been studied and dissected in the following article:

    Climate Myth: IPCC ‘disappeared’ the Medieval Warm Period

    Further study here why Mann’s hockey stick isn’t broke:

    Climate Myth: Hockey stick is broken

    You deniers lie and lie and lie and lie and lie some more. It’s truly sad. At least we know who is your daddy!

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  125. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re still lying. My data from SkepticalScience, while old, was accurate when printed. So any can go to the IUCN/SSC Polar Bear Specialist Group’s website and get the latest information. First thing I read that indicates you’re a liar:

    “Updated status table developed and published for the first time since 2014

    IUCN/SSC Polar Bear Specialist Group

    And here’s a screenshot of their September 20 2019 data:

    Further proving that you deniers are habitual liars. I see 4 red “declines,” 2 green “increased,” the rest even or not counted. When are you going to stop lying, liar?

    • Replies: @getaclue
  126. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    More lies: Tim Ball does not have a degree in “climatology.”

    Ball was a former professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. The University of Winnipeg never had an office of Climatology. His degree was in historical geography and not climatology. [12]

    Bio: Timothy F. Ball (Tim Ball)
    DeSmog Blog | Clearing the PR Pollution that Clouds Climate Science

    You can also read about the court cases he claims to have “won,” and read what the Judge said of him. “Despite Dr. Ball’s history as an academic and a scientist, the Article is rife with errors and inaccuracies, which suggests a lack of attention to detail on Dr. Ball’s part, if not an indifference to the truth,” Justice Skolrood wrote.

    Wow! “An indifference to the truth.”

    That Judge describes the pathological liar Tim Ball to a tee. And you’re just like him. Whoooz yo daddy?!?! 🙂

  127. Anonymous[123] • Disclaimer says:

    In your comments #24, #25, #77, #120, you falsely insinuate that I want to “go back to the Stone Age.”

    Read my comment #111. I own SUV and multiple gas and diesel powered “toys” and enjoy them, and have no desire or plans to go back to any Stone Age.

    Read my comment #119. I describe in short order a conservative policy in response to climate change, based on climate journal articles.

    I advocate prohibition of immigration in comment #54, #89, #111, and #119, again based on climate science.

    You can lie all you want about the science, you can lie all you want about me, but all that makes you is a habitual liar, which so far you’ve sadly proven to be.

  128. @Anonymous

    Anonymous123, if you would have read my previous comments before posting, you would have stopped yourself from looking foolish. However, in your case it is too late. Cynthia McKinney is AGAINST the fraud of Climate Change. It is an oligarchic facade and strategy used in the same fashion as they employ debt, feminism and sexual deviancy to destroy the foundations of the nuclear family. They also use abortion and weaponized migration as the tools for population reduction.

    In the past, I’ve read some great posts from nameless sources in other articles. Overall very few. However, in this section for this specific piece, the anonymous comments hold zero worth.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  129. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Climate change is two century old science. Your denial of science is based on fraudulent documents and outright lies paid for by globalist elite billionaires. Your globalist elite lies meant to protect the profits of the billionaires are worth zero, and I’ve proven you are lying in all of your posts. You’re a fool who swallows lies without a single critical thought and then unthinkingly regurgitates them.

    Yet you can’t even admit the simple answer to a first grade science lesson level question: What melts ice?

    (Photo: NASA) Jakobshavn Isbrae, Greenland

    You can’t answer what physical quantity melts ice, because you then would have to consider how and why that physical quantity is increasing. You’re a liar and a coward.

  130. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    Zero adult science and more juvenile insults is the low to which you’ve sunk.

    What melts ice?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  131. @Anonymous

    Liar. Take your junk science and jump off a pier.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:

    It was so-called “junk science” that linked tobacco smoking to cancer; remember that? You are parroting the same bullshit from the same PR firms hired by billionaires to smear science as “junk,” as evidenced in the following two articles:

    Fossil fuel companies have a long history of adopting public relations strategies straight from the tobacco industry‘s playbook. But a new analysis shows the two industries’ relationship goes much deeper — right down to funding the same organisations to do their dirty work.”

    Revealed: How the Tobacco and Fossil Fuel Industries Fund Disinformation Campaigns Around the World

    Tobacco and Oil Industries Used Same Researchers to Sway Public
    As early as the 1950s, the groups shared scientists and publicists to downplay dangers of smoking and climate change

    Different shit, same assholes.

    And I bet you’re so bamboozled by the globalist elite’s campaign against science, that you can’t even remember what melts ice, right?

  133. Anonymous[632] • Disclaimer says:

    > 500 Real Scientists

    You really need to get a clue of what real science or a real scientist is.

    All you’ve done so far is parrot the same science-smearing PR firms hired for the Globalist Elites in the past for Big Tobacco and now doing the dirty work for Big Oil/Coal.

    > Arctic Caps would melt

    It’s not “would;” they are melting, rapidly. And since even the Trump Administration states so, your disagreement with Trump places you—if I may use your own strained guilty-by-association smear tatics—in the party of Liddle Adam Schiff and Quid Pro Joe, which makes you a Deep State CIA agent of disinformation trying to effect a coup on the President. See! Two can play your games, clueless! 😀

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @getaclue
  134. Anonymous[632] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh no, scaring children is now “child abuse!” Are you setting on a crusade tomorrow to burn down all the Sunday Schools, Varg? It’s obvious—using your own guilty-by-association smear tactics—that you’re an atheist snowflake in league with pedo Richard Dawkins who states teaching about hell to kids is child abuse, which makes you a neckbeard with bad acne who listens endlessly to Burzum and getting obese on junk food, and I have a youtube video with proof! Can’t refute your own logic!

    Anywho, are you still befuddled about what melts ice? When are you going to get a clue?

    Pastoruri glacier in 1986, 2001 and 2012. Photograph: National Water Authority, Peru/Guardian

  135. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > NOAA and others have been shown as committing fraud

    Even if you don’t regard any of the several global temperature records as accurate, you cannot ignore this simple question: what is melting ice globally? No fancy instruments like a thermometer needed, you can see the rapid melting of glacial ice with your own eyes:

    What melts ice?

  136. @Anonymous

    That the “most published” ones are yahoos is trivial – we are all familiar with the type.
    AGU and “Earth Sciences Faculty” (the ones I would listen to offhand, look at the 16% deniers among “climate scientists”) sound about right, maybe low two or three points.

    – The appeal to authority is justifiable in this case, but the more glaring lie of omission (at least to a scientist) is not:
    There are about as many earth scientists who believe the sky is falling as there are creationists.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  137. @Jon Baptist

    McKinney was the apotheosis of disagreeableness (I worked in security too and was on the receiving end of loads of attitude) but neither stupid nor for sale; this is something I can respect 😀

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  138. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    > Glade to, mate

    Wrong. Instead, you’ve chickened-out like a lily-livered coward, which I thought you would do. I’ve provided evidence from scientific journals on the correlation and causation of CO2 and global warming in comment #33. You remain dumb. I’ve asked just a simple question of you, what melts ice. You remain dumb.

    Since what melts ice is above your education level, maybe you get out of the basement and ask a neighbor who gardens what makes the hardiness zones move north. Any ideas on that?

  139. @Anonymous

    Take it as a compliment – it took me a while to notice (though I wasn´t looking 😛 )
    Thanks for a peep into the “mind” of the Gretnik Borg.

    – The grammar is alright; for French, use accents.
    – The keyword list should be reviewed by a geologist – these are not the terms we use.
    – The responses are too obviously prefab blocks, leading to semantic kinks.
    – I´m not sure whether playing loose with the meaning of words is a bug or an Alinskyite feature;
    either way, it´s annoying.
    – The insults are mechanical and uncreative; go out more.
    – It is not enough to not repeat yourself – you must also change the flavour.
    – Things to work on: No coherent line of thought – the blocks are visible.
    Attention span, maybe?
    General scientific background; like understanding scientist jokes,
    this is hardest to mechanize.

    The physicist was good … but the rest cannot hack it on Unz.
    As getaclue would put it, go back and try to scare yourself a few schoolkids.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. Nodwink says:

    Sir, I have heard that you wander the streets at night, searching for dog turds to snack on. Is this true?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @nokangaroos
  141. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > the sky is falling

    You’re frightened, which is why you ran away from any serious conversation when I wrote in comment #110, in short:

    4°C warming forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    Nothing but *crickets* from you. Intellectually, you’re a coward.

    Emotionally, you’re running about average for a human. These simple facts of science which you cannot refute have caused you to contemplate your vulnerability to death, creating feelings of terror about “the sky falling.” Your defense mechanisms against such mortality salience are clownish denial and mockery of the facts of life on this planet.

  142. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re too terrorized by your own mortality salience to deal with these two facts from which you ran away in comment #110, which I’ll summarize here:

    4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    Instead of wasting time creating a long list of juvenile insults, use your intellectual resources to refute either point.

  143. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Being insulted by somebody who cannot reckon with first grade science lessons like what melts ice is highly amusing. It goes to show that the lower-IQ half of the Stupid Party is as disruptive in a science conversation as a pack of feral Negroes in an urban English language class.

    Meanwhile, the higher-IQ half of the Stupid Party is getting tired of the disruptive, dimwit antics of the Negroid-like science-deniers.

    “Even more notable: A slim majority of Republicans—52 percent—understand that climate change is real.”

    The Unprecedented Surge in Fear About Climate Change

    View post on

  144. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    Why would you “respect” a disruptive Negro parroting lies from a pathological liar who, as one Judge wrote, displays “an indifference to the truth?” (citation in comment #128) The chart the Negro retweeted is proven as a concocted fraud with plagiarized data, shifted dating, and other misrepresentations, while the famous “hockey stick” has now been confirmed by multiple scientific studies, as shown here:

    View post on

    With all your slummin’ in da hood wit yo homies, you probably listen to rap crap too.

  145. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > post the dying Polar Bear fraud [authentic] photo

    Can do! Now you inform us how this authentic photograph of a dying polar bear is an…um…“fraud.”

    p.s. Polar bears on dwindling ice have become a cultural icon representing the rapid melting of Arctic sea ice, yet Liddle Miss Clueless cannot grasp a first grade lesson on what melts ice, even though the Trump Administration is publicly touting the benefits of the rapidly melting Arctic sea ice. SAD!

    • Replies: @getaclue
  146. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > totally smoked you

    How come neither you nor Winnarz Kang can’t admit to what melts ice?

    Mount Kilimanjaro, February 1993 & February 2000

    • Replies: @getaclue
  147. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    A economist who doesn’t have the slightest clue about climate science, and is parroting fraudulent charts that have been shifted and manipulated by lying science-deniers, who famously do that all the time. So what? “Mish” needs real scientific data. So let’s get that. Here goes:

    (1) Temperature vs Solar Activity, such as from NASA. Note how solar activity has been declining for several decades, while temperatures have been steadily rising, in spite of lower power from the sun. See how very different real data is from Mish’s chart?

    Source: NASA

    (2) Warm Spells. Mish’s chart is an utter fraud; it was created by the drudge-linked Tony Heller, aka Steve Goddard, whose data manipulation and outright lying is such an embarrassment to even science deniers that this denialist fired him from writing on his website! Here’s the real data on warm spells, measured by monthly mean:

    Source: Coumou, D., Robinson, A. & Rahmstorf, S. (2013) Global increase in record-breaking monthly-mean temperatures Climatic Change 118: 771.

  148. getaclue says:

    Your photos etc. are no proof of man made “Global Warming” — Climate Changes–there have been Ice Ages, Ice Melts, and times of more heat based often on activity of the Sun and otherwise– telling people they need to go back to the Stone Age and pay Carbon Taxes and Fund Soros and his ilk thru their “Green” scams? No thanks. Even this guy who is on board with man made “Global Warming”, I’m not, finds no problem with “Ice melts”:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  149. getaclue says:

    Its use by Climate Hoaxers to support same was a FRAUD–admitted. Many articles on this here is just an overview:

    Further, you used out of date 2009 numbers as to Polar Bear numbers down to support your claims, that was dishonest!– the accurate ones are now 2017 and they are fine–you need to use truthful data or you lose what credibility you might have:By the WWF: Today
    Today, polar bears are among the few large carnivores that are still found in roughly their original habitat and range–and in some places, in roughly their natural numbers.

    Although most of the world’s 19 populations have returned to healthy numbers, there are differences between them. Some are stable, some seem to be increasing, and some are decreasing due to various pressures.

    Status of the polar bear populations
    Last updated 2017 with data from the IUCN Polar Bear Specialists Group

    1 population was in decline
    2 populations were increasing
    7 populations were stable
    9 populations were data-deficient (information missing or outdated)
    Some populations are still hunted quite heavily, and their status is uncertain.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  150. getaclue says:

    They need to learn to count better!–I’ll go with the WWF thanks–not interested in partisan groups and more fudged data!

    Temperatures have changed drastically many times – – to claim humans are the cause now is just a political agenda to transfer wealth and power — to bring in Socialism and the NWO–this has actually been admitted by some of them–AOC’s guru on tape recently did so, it’s a fraudulent emotion based movement that uses children, fear, and lies.

    Go back to the Stone Age if you want, don’t drag the rest of us who have no interest in falling for Al Gore and Soros bs. Vocano in the 1800’s changed the climate and they triggered an Ice Age–may well do so again– the Sun is a huge factor– as to Carbon Taxes etc.–all part of installing the NWO One World Government–some of them on record that “Environmentalism” is how they will do it. Stop being a tool for evil people!: “Global Warming” can also be Volcanic as they say has happened in the past:

    I don’t see Al Gore and Soros (or you?) giving up living like Kings while lecturing the Peons on austerity and their sinful lifestyles of not living like Stone Age peons…perhaps they would be more convincing if they weren’t such total hypocrites? They hide behind little Greta and scare school children….your Ice Melting schtick is also worthless–as I posted in the other comment–the Ice has melted before and no problem we are here! Again, stop shilling for Soros and the other people who want to impoverish and destroy the peons! Really tired of their anti-human agendas–all pro-abortionists of course also…demonic.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  151. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    I’ll also address the decline in temperatures after WWII too, (called the mid-century cooling by climate scientists) which Mish’s chart shows, and tries to imply that CO2 and temps do not correlate. They do correlate closely, and a causal link has been established.

    Mish’s chart shows only the Northern Hemisphere temps. Why? After WW2, there was a dip in solar radiation, because of “global dimming” caused by sulphate aerosols pollution, especially pronounced in the Northern Hemisphere. So let’s look at both Northern and Southern Hemispheres, since we are talking about Global Warming, and not Hemisphere warming, right? Here’s the NASA GISS temperature record for both hemispheres, showing how heavy aerosol pollution actually cooled the industrial north:

    (Tamino is an published climate scientist, you should peruse his blog rather than the amateur-hour deniers’)

    Here is another great textual explanation of the mid-century cooling deniers always like about:

    The mid-century cooling appears to have been largely due to a high concentration of sulphate aerosols in the atmosphere…The rise in sulphate aerosols was largely due to the increase in industrial activities at the end of the second world war…The clean air acts introduced in Europe and North America reduced emissions of sulphate aerosols. As levels fell in the atmosphere, their cooling effect was soon outweighed by the warming effect of the steadily rising levels of greenhouse gases.

    Climate myths: The cooling after 1940 shows CO2 does not cause warming

  152. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > the accurate ones are now 2017

    Wrong, shitbird. Go to the original polar bear website. They weren’t updated since 2014, and say so. And there is 2019 data that, just like the 2009 data, shows a single group of polar bears increasing over long term (3 generations.) The screensave is in my comment #127, with a link to the real, original polar bear study. You’re lying and lying and lying some more.

    Even if NatGeo did admit lying about some single polar bear, that lie doesn’t affect the facts of climate science. And if they did lie and admitted it and corrected it, that is much more commendable than you, you unrepentant lying sack of shit.

    Go look at the 2019 data, at the original study’s website I provided. Come back, and admit you’re lying, then you’ll be on the moral level of NatGeo, who admitted a mistake. Otherwise, you’re an unrepentant liar, way worse than you’re making them out to be.

  153. getaclue says:

    So you’re forced, finally, to admit the Polar Bear lie/scam finally after denying it how many times here? Hard not to as I posted that National Geographic even admitted it and it was widely covered.

    As I said I will stick with what the WWF posted as accurate on Polar Bear numbers being fine– as we have now seen since 2009 there are variations and there will be more in the future, that doesn’t mean man made Global Warming hoaxsters have proven anything–none of this proves any of your allegations as to man made Global Warming–admit it. Try being honest. Your lack of civility and profanity also reflect on the level of your work….

    Finally, you haven’t answered my question as to your receiving MONEY for your advocacy? Funny that? Admit you receive grant money and/or NGO/Soros affiliated money etc. from “Global Warming/Climate Change” proponents!– it’s obvious that you do–but be honest. I don’t receive anything from anyone. But I am tired, as are many now, of well paid fraudsters lecturing the rest of us and even resorting to profanity and name calling when they have been shown to be nothing more than propagandists and hoaxers. I hope Soros and his ilk pay you enough to completely rationalize selling out the rest of us into the Stone Age–maybe you can ride on their Gulfstreams and wave at the rest of us with no electricity etc. if they pull this scam off. I will pray for you. Good bye.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  154. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > They need to learn to count better!

    Oh, really? Well, how about that! Instead of repenting of your lies about how they counted—which you dishonestly misrepresented—now you’ve switched gears and say they counted wrong! LOLOL!!!

    And then—to cover up how I exposed you damned lies—you start a Gish Gallop of denialist horseshit, all of which have been completely debunked before, including in this comment thread.

    > Soros

    More of your dishonest smear tactics. I voted for Trump, never like Soros, and have proposed many times, in just this comment thread, that immigration should be prohibited. You are a lying, unrepentant sack of shit, more immoral and a worse liar than Liddle Adam Schiff.

    > your Ice Melting schtick is also worthless

    Wrong, shitbird, you’re embarrassed by the fact you can’t admit what melts ice, because you’re to chickenshit to have to explain why it’s melting. And you still can’t!

    > the Ice has melted before

    Not only are you a unrepentant liar, you’re so fucking stupid, (those two traits are actually related) that a sack of hammers is an intellectual stronghold compared to you. Earth has been totally covered in glaciers before. Earth has had zero oxygen in its atmosphere before. Earth has had enough hydrogen sulphide in the atmosphere to kill 95% of life. Earth has had several hothouse climates that would kill you. Earth has been through 5 mass extinctions. Do you think humans can survive in those conditions for the last 4 billion years Earth’s climate has been changing, hmm? Now consider just these two points:

    4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

  155. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > the Polar Bear lie

    How am I responsible for that, shitbird? I didn’t lie. NatGeo did, admitted it, and repented of it. They’re 10x more moral than you, since you remain an unrepentant liar. And, for some hare-brained reason, you think that a lie about polar bears somehow magically negates all climate science. That’s another stupid lie of yours.

    > I will stick with what the WWF

    Oh, ok! LOL!!! But only after you got caught red-handed telling multiple lies about the IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group’s study. And who cares? The population of polar bears going up doesn’t negate climate science and especially doesn’t negate the rapid melting of the Arctic Sea ice, for which polar bears have become an cultural icon. I’m happy if the polar bears are increasing. Yay for WWF!!!

    > my question as to your receiving MONEY for your advocacy

    No, I don’t get paid, dumb cunt. For you to suggest such is just another example of your endless, unrepentant lies.

    > Good bye.

    Good riddance, you cowardly, unrepentant lying sack-of-shit. You should step up and be a man like NatGeo and publicly repent of the lies you told, and then you could be as moral as them. Right now, your level of morality is lower than whale shit in the Mariana Trench.

  156. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    National Cuckview is same globalist elite neocon rag about which a judge said this:

    “The evidence before the Court indicates the likelihood that ‘actual malice’ is present in the [National Review’s] conduct.”

    Judge denies National Review’s Motion to Reconsider ruling in Michael Mann’s defamation case

    Wow! That term pretty much describes your unrepentant lying: ‘ACTUAL MALICE.’ Birds of a feather…

  157. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    > Your photos etc. are no proof of man made “Global Warming”

    They are evidence that global warming is happening. That is something many deniers try to blow off, although that denial is getting much more difficult.

    The next question you’re avoiding is, what is causing that excess heat? Is it Al Gore with an propane torch melting all the glaciers and ice-caps around the globe? No? Then what is making the extra heat? You’re too much of a goddam lying coward to inquire.

    > there have been Ice Ages, Ice Melts

    Indeed, there have been—with at least five mass extinctions too! Humans cannot have survived during most of earth’s past climates. Consider these two points, if you have two brain cells to rub together:

    (A) 4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    (B) ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    > Stone Age

    I say the opposite, so stop trying to put others’ words in my mouth, you lying shitbird. Go read what I wrote, and quit pulling a Liddle Adam Schiff.

  158. @Nodwink

    Only when I can´t find babies. They keep getting harder to distinguish from sleep-deprived libtards. Also, we prefer the term “munch”.

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  159. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    You’re a little ankle-biting, halfwit poodle who hasn’t the capability to address either of these premises:

    4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    Little retarded, mentally ill Greta has 10x the courage to consider those premises than chickenshit cowards like you.

  160. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Alarmist

    I saw that collection of pathological liar Tony Heller‘s fraudulent charts that Zero Hedge is parroting from Mish. It’s truly a sad state of affairs that so many people want to be lied to. It’s so easy to show how Tony Heller is lying. One of his charts there is a famous fraud, with mislabeled data and a shifted timeline, that has been debunked over and over again, but it keeps popping up. Why Because assholes like you demand to be lied to. Comforting lies are as much a high-demand commodity as Oxycontin. Intoxicating lies dull the pain and anxiety you would feel from considering the following premises:

    4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    Tony Heller’s and others’ lies are the way you “sit around and medicate.” Oh, I just found another fraud from that pathological liar Roy Spencer, the lying shitbird in charge of the UAH (University of Alabama Huntsville) satellite data. Here is Roy Spencer’s lie, simply by shifting the axis of the graph, that comforts you and what you demand to deaden your anxiety:

    Source: Roy Spencer’s latest deceit and deception

    Heller’s frauds are similar garbage. Heller claims to be not paid; however, it’s been proven that Roy Spencer was on the payroll of Peabody Coal, shillin’ for shekels. Plus he believes in magic, having signed the statement in comment #4 that Jehovah has “infinite power” over the climate. You don’t care, because you want your comforting lies. You’re as strung out as a Fentanyl addict.

  161. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    “Fetal alcohol syndrome”. The great hatreds of so many in the Unz network are rarely spoiled by small compassions…

  162. – We have seen a few simple algorithms are easily capable of emulating the typical Greta follower.
    These things happen every so often throughout history.
    Prof. Kang will probably look for some kind of recessive lemming gene; he(?) might also find superficial parallels to mass ergotism and synchronization of menstruation among adolescents.

  163. Anonymous[303] • Disclaimer says:

    While you jump like an aspie in a bounce house from menstruation to lemmings to ergotism, real life outside of your safe space remains as follows:

    4°C warming is forecast by the Trump Administration within a single human lifetime.
    ~6°C warming resulted in near-annihilation of planetary life in P–Tr extinction.

    Funny thing is, the “typical Greta follower”—as bad, evil, stupid, robotic, immoral, algorithmic, bleeding out their front hole or whatever other juvenile insults you can concoct—are capable enough to contemplate and address these two premises. However, you are too much of a childishly immature coward. Isn’t that sad?

  164. El Dato says:

    Mosher, long recognized as an expert in China’s domestic policy, started his address by explaining that the earth’s temperature has always fluctuated, sometimes dramatically.

    There is no reason for fearmongering but getting that house in order seems to be thing to do soon.

    And I will not accept being told something “always fluctuated” by someone called “Mosher” who is a social scientist (fuck off to your social sciences) who says things like:

    “the earth was 15 degrees warmer on average than it is today”

    What a Faggot Bitch Asshole!

    We he says there may be true but it is also completely irrelevant.

    In a billion years, there won’t be enough CO_2 left in the atmosphere to sustain life. So what. This is the now.

    “Social scientist and author Steven Mosher called the global warming movement an enemy of the sanctity of innocent human life

    The “sanctity of innocent human life” (veiled words for “fuck around and multiply remorselessly until you eat tofu only because I’m christian”) will be looking a lot less “saint” in the next 20 years, there will be fun and large death camps.

  165. El Dato says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Climate “change” is a flat-out lie. It is an obvious facade for depopulation. Killing humans has been the goal of the Eugenicists for many years. Bernie Sanders states in the video below that he is an advocate for more abortions in the third world for the sake of “climate.” He and all like him are enemies of the poor and the worst type of racists.

    Because what the poor need is higher population count.

    advocate for more abortions in the third world for the sake of “climate.”

    > He thinks “abortions” will be widely taken up or even make a difference.

  166. El Dato says:

    Yeah, I wonder whether Greta has read Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind … to the end?

    Spoiler: The fighting protagonist messes up and likely condemns everyone to death by acting according to her wish for “natural order”.

    Control & management is part of the “natural order”, too.

  167. El Dato says:

    That’s pretty funny, for some the Globalists trying to bury evidence of global warming, for others, they manufacture evidence of global warming.

    Can’t we all just get along?

  168. El Dato says:

    That’s a pretty good comment!!

    It is clear that the “models” are not working well.

    That’s why things like [email protected] even exists – to take a stab at finding the value of constants that should be in the model but that are really unknowns. And the code seems to be based on a recompiled FORTRAN core which occasionally crashes for no good reason, or wanders off into unphysical states, which does not inspire confidence in the output. Oh well!

    He projects warming from CO2 doubling, “according to the true experts”, to be only 0.5degC. He says he doesn’t dispute the possibility of either catastrophic warming or severe glaciation since the climate system’s myriad non-linear processes swamp “the toys” used for climate predictions. Climate forecasting is simply impossible, if only because future changes in solar energy output are unknowable. As to the impacts of human-caused CO2, they can’t be judged “with the knowledge and technology we currently possess.”

    Harder than predicting the stockmarket, innit.

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  169. El Dato says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Where do the global warming “fascists and eugenicists” come in here?

    Hard deniers are as mentally sick as hard proponents.

    I remember the “fascists and eugenicists” being fingered for the flu pandemic worries about 10 years ago, with rumors that the vaccine was meant to “reduce population” under guise of an UN program. Mentally sick people.

  170. Anonymous[570] • Disclaimer says:
    @El Dato

    Actually, the models are quite accurate in their forecasts. Take a gander:

    Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming?

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