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Charles Murray’s just-published Facing Reality: Two Truths About Race in America is an elegantly brief (168 pages) essay devoted to summarizing the great mass of evidence for the existence and persistence of significant racial differences in two areas: 1) cognitive ability, aka intelligence, and 2) violent crime rates. Taken together, this evidence is irrefutable, and informed experts have pretty well given up contesting it. In dramatic contrast, public debate has actually gone backwards ince Murray co-authored The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life in 1994. He hopes his politely rational arguments can change that—or that the Ruling Class will heed his warning about a white backlash. Too bad he’s wrong.

Facing Reality was inspired by the slogans of “systemic racism” and “white privilege” popularized by the Black Lives Matter movement in the summer of 2020. It is Murray’s patient attempt to explain to anyone who will listen just why such incendiary charges “float free of reality,” in the words of the front jacket flap.

Murray’s focus is limited to the USA, yet he refers to American whites as “Europeans” and American blacks as “Africans.” This is due not to any recent conversion to racial nationalism, but because he hopes a more clinical terminology will “make it easier to look at some inflammatory issues with at least a little more dispassion.”

Good luck with that.)

Concerning cognitive ability, Murray concentrates on demonstrating three points:

  • When Africans, Asians, Europeans and Latins take tests that are related to cognitive ability, their group results have different means.
  • Race differences between Africans and Europeans in cognitive test scores narrowed significantly during the 1970s and 1980s, but the narrowing stopped three decades ago.
  • Scores on today’s most widely used standardized tests, whether of cognitive ability or academic achievement, pass the central test of fairness: They do not underpredict the performance of lower-scoring groups in the classroom or on the job.[21]

Hundreds of studies on these matters have been performed. Murray limits himself to those involving nationally representative samples, measures of both verbal and mathematical (or visuo-spatial) abilities, and test takers no younger than twelve.

A mix of IQ tests, National Longitudinal Studies, and National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) tests meet these three criteria. For tests performed during the last decade or so, the results are as follows:

Mean IQPercentile Equivalent
Europeans10358
Africans9127
Latins9434
Asians10870

These scores are based on NAEP tests, which are less g-loaded than true IQ tests. That explains, e.g., why the Black-White difference comes out to 12 points rather than the more commonly cited 15 points.

People who dislike accepting the existence of mean differences in intelligence are reckless with charges of test bias but, as Murray writes, such claims have “nearly disappeared from the technical literature because there are so few unresolved questions.” The literature on how well cognitive ability predicts job performance, e.g., has become so extensive that the relevant chapter in the most recent edition of The Oxford Handbook of Personnel Assessment and Selection “is not a meta-analysis of existing studies; it is a review of many meta-analyses.” (Does that make it a meta-meta-analysis?)

At least four results emerge consistently:

  • Measures of cognitive ability and job performance are always positively correlated.
  • The size of the correlation goes up as the job becomes more cognitively complex.
  • Even for low-skill occupations, job experience does not lead to convergence in performance among persons with different cognitive ability.
  • For intellectually demanding jobs, there is no point at which more cognitive ability doesn’t make a difference.

Let us consider jobs which require an exceptionally high IQ (defined by Murray as 135 or above). Given mean group differences and the relative representation of blacks and whites in today’s American population, we can expect there to be about 57 qualified white applicants for every qualified black at this level. Since most companies are not large enough to need vast numbers of employees this intelligent, we should not be surprised to find many with no blacks in such positions at all.

This does not mean there is no racial discrimination in hiring, of course. There is plenty of it, as Murray recognizes:

The American job market systematically discriminates in favor of racial minorities other than Asians…A detached observer might even call it systemic racism.

Perhaps the real reason for all the empty chatter about “white privilege” is that if no such thing exists, our current system of racial discrimination becomes indefensible.

Rates of violent crime—murder, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault—differ across the four demographic groups as well, although the differences are not as consistent as those in intelligence. Such differences have the greatest effects in large urban settings where the races tend to concentrate geographically.

The FBI’s racial data covers the entire country, but Murray was able to find recent data for thirteen cities, including New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Washington. In these cities, black arrest rates for violent crime are on average 9.6 times as common as white rates, running from a low of 4.0 in Fayetteville, NC to a high of 19.9 in Washington, DC. The Latin rates average 2.7 times white rates, ranging from a low of 1.2 times in relatively small Urbana, IL to a high of 6.4 in—once again—Washington, DC.

“Racist cops!” shout the faithful. Murray responds with the “largest and most rigorous study” he can find, involving 335,619 incidents in which the victim saw the offender:

The odds of arrest for white offenders is approximately 22% higher for robbery [and] 13% higher for aggravated assault . . . than they are for black offenders.

There are no equally good studies for murder, but in New York the black/white ratio in reports to police has recently been 14.8, higher than the arrest ratio of 11.6.

In recent years, New York City has also maintained records by race for “shootings” both fatal and nonfatal. Of the 1906 Black deaths for which the race of the perpetrator is known, 89 percent were killed by other Blacks, 10 percent by Latins and just 0.6 by Whites. For nonfatal shootings, the respective numbers are 90, 9, and 0.4 percent.

Murray adds: “Triangulating data indicates that the arrest rates reflect, and perhaps understate, race differences in violent criminal activity.”

Different crime rates and racial concentration in urban areas means that some neighborhoods will be far more dangerous than others, with predictable consequences for police behavior in such neighborhoods. As Murray points out:

Well-trained police exercising good judgment will, on average, take more steps to establish their authority, call for more backup, and respond with more force to provocations, regardless of the race of the citizens they are dealing with. Another result is that errors in judgment will be skewed to the greater-force end of the distribution. If the error in the direction of greater force is perceived as reducing the downside risk, and the downside risk is one’s own death, then police officers, being human, will err on the side of protecting themselves. [This means] that police use of force will always and inevitably be higher in high-crime areas, and high-crime areas in the United States are overwhelmingly urban and African or Latin.

There is really nothing to criticize about Murray’s presentation of the evidence for his “two truths about race in America,” although it will certainly be ignored by those who most need to face up to that evidence.

In a final chapter, however, he goes beyond the data to speculate on what might happen “If We Don’t Face Reality.” This involves speculation and interpretation, leaving much more room for disagreement.

But let us begin with his valuable admission that racial identity politics has strong evolutionary roots:

Treating our fellow human beings as individuals instead of treating them as members of groups is unnatural. Our brains evolved to think of people as members of groups; to trust and care for people who are like us and to be suspicious of people who are unlike us. Those traits had great survival value for human beings throughout millions of years. People who were trusting of outsiders were less likely to pass on their genes.

Yet a few countries, pre-1965 America conspicuous among them, successfully developed high levels of trust independent of kinship bonds. Such countries have fostered historically exceptional levels of human achievement and prosperity.

Murray himself is a typical product of such a society in that thinking in racial terms does not come naturally to him: he invariably treats races as collections of individuals among whom non-random patterns happen to be observable rather than as (roughly) constant gene pools which perpetuate themselves across the generations.

Where does this individualistic mindset come from? Murray attributes it to the American Founders, who enshrined as in “The American Creed.” He might have profited by considering Kevin MacDonald’s argument that northern Europeans (such as our Founders) are the product of an unusual evolutionary environment in which the ability to cooperate with non-kin, including the careful maintenance of a personal reputation for fair dealing with them, was of greater importance than kinship bonds. This is inherently more plausible than seeing American individualism as the invention of a group of Enlightenment-era political savants.

One powerful reason to suspect our individualism and tendency to de-emphasize race and kinship has deeper roots is the slowness of American whites to adopt racial identity politics for themselves. Murray approves of such reluctance. He may not like minority racial politics, yet his principal fear appears to be that Whites may begin to develop something similar.

In other words, he believes the current double standard forbidding Whites (and only Whites) from pursuing their group interests—while permitting or encouraging such behavior in other groups—is a lesser evil than Whites starting to behave like everybody else and fight fire with fire. In his own words: “If Whites adopt identity politics, disaster follows.”

But disaster for whom? Not for Whites themselves, apparently. Murray acknowledges:

If a minority consisting of 13 percent of the population can generate as much political energy and solidarity as America’s Blacks have, what happens when a large proportion of the 60 percent of the population that is White begins to use the same playbook?

Maybe they start winning for a change?

But no, that is definitely not the conclusion Murray wishes us to draw. Instead, his fear is that the American government will lose legitimacy:

The federal government has enacted thousands of laws and regulations [that] apply to every family and business in the nation. They cannot possibly be enforced by the police or courts without almost universal voluntary compliance. When a government is seen as legitimate, most citizens voluntarily comply because they believe it is their duty. When people see laws as products of the illegitimate use of power, the sense of obligation fades.

This, then, is the disaster which Charles Murray fears will result from the growth of white identity politics: Non-elite white Trump-voters with American flags on their pickup trucks may stop cooperating with the sanctimonious elite whites and resentful nonwhites who rule over them! They must not stand up for themselves because it could prove to be a disaster to their enemies!

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The final chapter of Facing Reality is, albeit unintentionally, the most encouraging argument in favor of white identity politics that I have ever read.

From VDARE.com’s point of view, Murray is wrong (not for the first time), to ignore the impact of immigration. This is particularly odd because an immigration moratorium is the obvious way to calm rising white alarm about imminent minority status.

Curiously, Murray does mention the disastrous 1965 Immigration Act in the context of discrediting current conventional wisdom about race relations:

…the narrative tells us that America is moving towards a multiracial society in which Europeans will soon be a minority and we all need to adjust in similar ways. The reality is that different parts of America have had widely varying experiences with a multiracial society and are moving toward even more different futures.

Or, as VDARE.com Editor Peter Brimelow wrote in Alien Nation back in 1995:

These will be communities as different from one another as any in the civilized world. They will verge on being separate nations.

And the existence of these different communities will raise the classic problem of federalism: why should any one of them submit in a larger political unit to the majority when it shares nothing with that majority? Particularly if the community is being visibly taxed for others’ benefit.

This divergence, of course, is what lies behind the re-emergence, initially at the local and state levels, of the specter of secession.

Roger Devlin [Email him] is a contributing editor to The Occidental Quarterly and the author of Sexual Utopia in Power: The Feminist Revolt Against Civilization.

(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Mr. Devlin, it was not like I was about to get this newest Charles Murray book anyway, as the illustrious Steve Sailer has already covered this material in hundreds of informative posts and mentioned the book as much as I need to hear about. I thank you for pointing out this either stupid or cowardly view by Mr. Murray that we’d all be better off if White people never go tribal.

    It’s not that Mr. Murray thinks we shouldn’t fight back. He thinks we should all just lay out the facts to the anti-White enemies of all sorts, perhaps quoting stats from his book, and everyone will get the logic of it and learn to get along. We should play by the original rules laid out by the intelligent Western White Founders of this country, even if the enemy goes tribal and lets us know in no uncertain terms that we can shove our logic up our asses. You are quite right that this ain’t agonna’ work.

    OK that was the generous (to him) “he’s just naive” theory. Perhaps he is cowardly and doesn’t want to get called any worse names than he already gets called.

    Either way, I enjoyed your column very much, Mr. Devlin. You even got a shout-out on Peak Stupidity. I hope you will write more than just a couple or 3 times a year on VDare in the future.

    .

    PS: Your link to your Counter Currents article on “Sexual Utopia” at the bottom of your writing on VDare and here does not work. It goes to the C-C website, but then one sees “page not found”.

  2. Like Charles Murray, I too am a product of Newton, Iowa, albeit a bit later in time, but probably not much in attitude. And if government were like the Jasper County Board of Supervisors, loss of legitimacy might be a problem. (Although I’m not sure about those people over in Polk County!) But the Midwest Nice, civic nationalist position of Charles Murray is, as one commenter on Unz put it, a hothouse flower, that withers rapidly in the intensity of interracial conflicts. Charles Murray’s calls for rationality and the acceptance of racial differences not flattering to blacks and Latinos will fall on deaf ears. Unlike Charles Murray, I’ve made the jump to White identitarianism. I have no hostility to blacks, Latinos, Asians, or Jews; they’re just not my people any more.

    But I don’t think Charles Murray has much to worry about. Whites are so demoralized and so intimidated in asserting their own interests that I cannot imagine the provocation that would result in a “White Lives Matter” movement willing to copy the tactics of BLM. There will probably have to be a mass culling of whites in North America and western Europe before white identitarism has any mass appeal.

  3. Travis says:

    Whites are no longer 60% of the US population. Whites have become a minority of our University Students and are a minority of Americans under the age of 19.

    The only demographic which matters is the under 40 population, as the older population is no longer fertile and has little impact on our culture and our future. The majority of Americans under the age of 40 benefit from wokism because the majority are part of a minority group.

    US demographics under the age of 40
    Year- Whites -Non-Whites
    1990 – 120 M – 36 M
    2020 – 88 M — 78 M

    The dramatic collapse of the white population in the United States is accelerating. The Future of America will be fewer and fewer whites. Only about 25% of the US workforce consists of straight White males today. 75% of the workforce are members of a protected minority group with special rights and privileges. White fertility continues to decline. We have already been replaced. White deaths has exceeded white births for the last decade. The decline in the number of Whites is accelerating faster than predicted. By 2040 Whites will be a minority within the US , but for all practical considerations Whites are already a minority within the United States.

  4. Rahan says:

    There are two basic approaches to facing reality:
    1) “If I face reality this means nothing can be done, therefore it is immoral to face reality”
    2) “If I face reality this means I can finally start fixing stuff in a non-imaginary manner”

    At what point did the first point of view win in the West?
    21st century?
    1990s?
    1960s?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @animalogic
  5. Virumque says:
    @Travis

    Wow – that is a much bigger decline than I had thought – can you provide the source?

    • Replies: @Leo Den
  6. onebornfree says: • Website

    “Charles Murray’s FACING REALITY: Ruling Class Must Accept Race Differences—or ProvokeThe “Disaster” of White Identity Politics”

    Neither Mr Murray, nor the author of this piece, seem to “get it.”

    The ruling class understands perfectly well what its doing – its deliberate, in other words.

    The game is very simple. Its called “Divide and Conquer” .

    The more the elite can get all the idiots distracted and fighting amongst themselves over racial differences/prejudices [ suitably encouraged via racial preference laws etc. etc.], the more that they ensure themselves of staying in power, and gaining even more power/control over the population.

    Get the government entirely out of the race management agenda,which, by the way, it has no constitutional authority to be in in the first place, and leave people free to make their own choices about which races they prefer to associate with, both in trade, education and in personal relationships etc.

    “The State is, and always has been, the great single enemy of the human race, its liberty, happiness, and progress.”Murray Rothbard

    Regards, onebornfree

  7. Kirt says:

    White identitarianism’s biggest real world test was WWII and it failed miserably. Would anyone seriously argue that whites were/are better off as a result of WWII and the accompanying slaughter of tens of millions of whites – mostly by other whites? So why would anyone think that a duel to the death between white “elites” and white “deplorables” in the US would be good for whites in general?

  8. @Kirt

    White identitarianism’s biggest real world test was WWII and it failed miserably. Would anyone seriously argue that whites were/are better off as a result of WWII and the accompanying slaughter of tens of millions of whites – mostly by other whites?

    The worst aspect being that the bravest and strongest Whites went in first while slimeball types stayed home to breed.

    The race problem is not going to be solved by books showing graphs and charts.

    Liberals control the schools which means they control which graphs and charts are shown to students. The MSM will not talk about this book and that includes Fox. Why would they?

    Charles Murray is still an extremely naïve libertarian. He really seems to think that politicians and journalists are completely unaware of these differences and just need to hear the right arguments.

    White Democrat politicians are fully aware of racial differences. What does he really think they are going to do? Announce the end of affirmative action? Apologize for blaming education gaps on racist Whites?

    Most Democrats behind closed doors will admit these differences exist. I’m surprised there haven’t been any undercover videos where a drunk Democrat talks about how race exists but we need to lie about it CAUSE RACIST WHITES will hunt down Blacks if we tell the truth.

    Then there are the Republicans that seem to think race will just somehow go away and we can all unite behind tax cuts and apple pie. There are also the Christian conservatives that find the whole topic offensive because in their minds race doesn’t exist cause that would be unChristian. God made Adam and Even so race must just be skin color that happened later somehow or something.

    • Agree: Spect3r
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    , @animalogic
  9. Uh, I fear that they WILL provoke the so called “disaster” of white identity politics, ALTHOUGH, I can’t imagine why it would be a disaster, especially for the many whites who are at this moment, soundly asleep in the nation their tribe created. When La Raza or Black nationalist racists claim that they have some kind of claim on the U.S., they are being silly. The U.S. belongs to those who created the U.S., not Aztlan, or what ever mythical entity La Raza types imagine existed here. All that existed here when whites had not yet come, was cacti, scorpions and desert. No water, until white engineering brought it down to L.A. and surrounding suburbs from 300 miles away at its source, the high Sierra’s… /PEACE.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  10. Being one who naturally has always felt a strong kindship with other whites and since childhood, has always noticed race and seen nonwhites as outsiders, I could never understand the mentality of white liberals who want to join hands with everyone different from themselves while having hostility to those whites that have instincts such as myself. I was fortunate growing up that I wasn’t exposed to negroes, but whenever I saw them, I felt cold to them, like they were an alien species. It’s only now that my town is seeing large numbers of Africans being brought in by our satanic government and sponsored by satanic immigrant resettlement groups. I now hate the very town I was born in and dream of the day that I can leave.

  11. @Diversity Heretic

    Charles Murray, like Pat Buchanan are old and tired, you can’t expect anything revolutionary from them. They’re not going to make any comments that are any more than mild in pointing out the mess we are in. They still believe that “old glory” and the US constitution will save us and simply by “acting white” our enemies will appreciate that and not slit our throats. The under 40 generation of American whites look pathetic, but in every generation of whites are a few born that are capable of instituting real change. I wouldn’t write everything off, the system is very weak right now, kind of like the Soviet system in 1988, two years later the system had collapsed, replaced with a new one. The present US system will collapse soon, there’s too many things pulling it in multiple directions. What replaces it might be a nasty dictatorship or a bunch of regions. We can see the beginnings of the breakup right now, with different states going off in different directions regarding the covid situation. Some states locked up like North Korea, while some opened up completely.

    • Agree: ebear, Bookish1
  12. The death blow would not find them unprepared,

    But organized in discipline and sworn

    To God on the sacred rigors borne

    By their forebears’ imperishable faith.

    Their gathering fate was but a wraith

    Still in the West to many, but to more

    Every minute what seemed a nightmare

    Resolved itself in daylight as the end

    Of all they loved or could love. It was then

    Our champions by grace were given fury.

    Not despair, not hopeless misery,

    but destiny’s transfiguration,

    Though all Hell promised annihilation.

  13. @Kirt

    From Weimar’s broken humiliation

    Noble Germany had arisen

    Like a captive lion remembering

    His strength and made of the circus ring

    A reckoning for his spirit’s sake.

    For his pride the Enemy vowed to make

    Him cower, and marshaling all his proxies

    Bled him, beat him down in democracy’s

    Name. But in their rise and furious going down,

    Germany’s sons like Leonidas had shown

    A bold Aryan few, unbowed, unbought,

    Could by true inspiration be wrought

    Into lightning and his nemesis.

    • Replies: @dindunuffins
  14. TG says:

    “If a minority consisting of 13 percent of the population can generate as much political energy and solidarity as America’s Blacks have, what happens when a large proportion of the 60 percent of the population that is White begins to use the same playbook?”

    WRING WRONG WRONG.

    Do you really think that blacks are behind this? This is the rich and powerful and this is their script. It’s all top-down corporate funded and publicized. Blacks are just doing what they are told. Why? Well the elites have not confided in me, but I suspect that it’s mostly to play divide-and-conquer, to use race to distract the plebes form the reality of class war.

    • Thanks: animalogic
  15. White identity politics is inevitable now, because the jews fucked up and pushed too hard too fast…..CRT is radicalizing white housewives at this moment…..and our people are not stupid…..they are bound to ask, “Where is all of this anti-white bullshit coming from?”

    Idiot Merrick Garland continues to bray that “white supreeeeemists are the greatest danger to our country!”

    Fuck you Merrick….what a royal dumbass you are!

    How stupid do you think white people are? White people aren’t harming anybody…..they just want to be left alone.

    The more these dumbass small hat freaks keep demonizing innocent white people….the more those white people wake up and start asking questions!

  16. John McNulty (born May 29, 1968) is an American football coach who is currently the tight ends coach at the University of Notre Dame. He is a former player and graduate of the Penn State University. McNulty returned to Rutgers, where he spent five seasons as an assistant coach and offensive coordinator from 2004 to 2008. The veteran coach also spent 15 seasons in the National Football League (NFL), coaching for six different teams.

    He said:

    I watched the Democratic leaders of Congress kneel in the halls of Congress for about 9 minutes, for the death of a black man named George Floyd.
    I have never seen them kneel for a fallen *Police Officer.

    I have never seen them kneel for a fallen *Soldier.

    I NEVER SAW THEM KNEEL FOR THE *SOLDIERS THAT WERE LEFT TO DIE IN Benghazi!!

    I have never seen them kneel for a murdered *white man or woman*.

    I have not seen them kneel for the thousands of *black-on-black murder victims.

    I have not seen them kneel for the thousands of *elderly people that died in nursing homes due to the Corona Virus.(Especially N.Y.)

    The family (brothers and sister) of George Floyd opened a Go Fund Me account to “help the family”? It has already raised $14,455,100.00 and still counting from donations as of June 22, 2020. Yes, almost $14 1/2 MILLION and local Government paid them $27 MILLION.

    This is for a guy who was arrested NINE times; was a convicted drug dealer (and at a drug deal the day he died); held a gun to the stomach of a pregnant lady while his five buddies robbed her home; did prison time three different times totaling about eight years, and obviously didn’t learn from our penal system.

    And now America is memorializing him by painting murals of the guy on the sides of buildings like he’s a hero? Unbelievable!!

    You’ve got to be kidding me.

    Crime does pay! … and to pour salt in the wound, Rep. Pelosi (democrat) presented his brother a folded American flag flown over the Capitol in his honor in a beautiful tri-cornered presentation case.
    We should be embarrassed if not disgusted as citizens!!!!!

    John McNulty.

  17. usNthem says:

    The government is already illegitimate and becoming more so by the day. If nothing else, this past year (let alone the past five) has proven that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
    Whites never had to think tribally in this (former) country because we were the vast majority of the population and pretty much ran and controlled everything from top to bottom – that’s simply the way it was. However, those horses have long since left the barn, and if we don’t start thinking and acting like every other damn group in this dump, it’ll be sayonara for Whitey and his progeny.

  18. @Achmed E. Newman

    He thinks we should all just lay out the facts to the anti-White enemies of all sorts…

    I admire Murray’s tenacity in defence of rationality, but he needs to face reality himself: rationality is obviously rare, perhaps not all it’s cracked up to be, and in any case not all that relevant, politically. Feelings don’t care about facts, and what self-respecting black man could accept the facts Murray lays out here? No white true believer in equality can accept them either without cutting the heart out of his own identity. Murray’s pissing into the wind, whether he knows it or not. Still, it’s nice to have the facts laid out, if only for polemical purposes.

    …we’d all be better off if White people never go tribal.

    I don’t think we ever will – or at least, the white tribe will never encompass all whites, as so many are already in the equalitarian tribe, or whatever we wish to call it (I’d say “the gay tribe”) – so it’s moot. But this is the farthest-right acceptable opinion, so whether it’s sincere or not, Murray wouldn’t be getting published if he said anything spicier.

    What’s notable, I suppose, is not that Murray is willing to go there, but that so many are, and prominently: Jordan Peterson and the Intellectual Dark Web, the movie Joker, maybe Andrew Sullivan, probably some other fuckers that I can’t think of. What does that portend?

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  19. Charles Murray is a a real turd. Instead of asking why the elites don’t believe the truth, he should ask why the elites are spreading the lie. The ELITES know the truth. Sure, there are plenty of educated dammies, the dogma-driven dogs who have the intelligence but no sense of agency. But many of the elites do know the truth but lie anyway.

    But first, who are the ruling elites? Are they colorless and merely based on meritocracy and commitment to ‘liberal values’? No, the current elites have a very powerful identity seething with arrogance and contempt. To understand why the LIE is favored by these elites, we need to ask WHO these elites are. Are they merely about riches, privilege, credentials, and power? Or are they about concentrating wealth, power, and influence within a certain group? And that group is what? Take a wild guess. The Eskimos or the Jews?

    If all races and groups were equal, meritocracy would produce a colorless ruling class as each group would be proportionately represented at the top. But precisely because of IQ differences among races and groups, even colorless meritocracy leads to domination by a certain group. It’s like pure meritocracy in sports has led to black domination and black pride/arrogance in athletics. The end-result has been relative racial homogeneity than diversity in outfits like the NFL and especially the NBA.

    Because Jews are smarter, many of them rose to the top and gained more wealth and power. So, there is a concentration of Jews among the elites. But the current elites aren’t merely about pride in Jewish achievement. After all, a people could be proud of their disproportionate achievement but still be committed to the principle of colorless meritocracy. Jews don’t play that way. Though many Jews did make it to the top by ability, they use their power to rig the system in their favor. Insider knowledge goes a long way to explain why Jews in finance reap such profits. And guess why BDS is suppressed across the nation. And of course, the Tribal control of the legal system ensures that many Jewish crooks get off easy(or get huge bailouts). And even if they’re convicted, they are favored for pardons under total shits like Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and etc. Just ask Jonathan Pollard.
    There’s also the matter of chutzpahistic personality among Jews. (Personality matters. The reason why generic, mild-mannered, golden-retriever-type goyim suck up to Jews is that blandness always loses to salt. Murray is a mild-mannered fuddy-dud, and he gets thrills up his leg by sucking up to Jews with strong personality.) Such personality makes Jews more pushy and arrogant with their power. Anglo Episcopalians are equally smart as Jews, but their blander personality prefers to walk away than get dirty in a fight. (Yellows are also well-represented among higher IQ folks but are even blander than the whites. Thus, they study and follow than think and lead, which is why most of them are cuck-dogs of Jews.) In the past, Anglos had awesome race-ism on their side and used it to great effect. But as ‘racism’ is now deemed the worst of all possible sins, whites daren’t do anything for identity sake or group interest. Not only are Jews stronger in personality but they get pass-over privilege when it comes to ‘racism’. What is ‘racist’ and wrong for whites is noble and wise among Jews. Jews demand that we all support Israel and praise Jews, and THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS, even if it has led to the victimization of countless Arabs and Muslims, as well as countless whites. It goes to show ideology loses to idolatry. Even though Jews push ‘equity’ on the ideological level, it never applies to them because of their idolatrous status as a holy people(and also because they control the media and shape the narrative and its heroes & villains). So, even as whites are to be bashed for not being equitable enough, we must never say Jews are the richest and most privileged people on the planet. Why, that would be ‘anti-semitic’, insufficiently reverential to the great, super-duper, sacred Jews who not only deserve all that power and wealth but out total devotion(even when they kick out teeth out). The relation between Jews and whites is like a Jew trying to push a white guy off a cliff while the white guy goes out of his way to prevent the Jew from falling.

    Privately, Jews know the truth about race and racial differences. True, there are still some idealistic Jews committed to the dogma of ‘race is just a social construct’, but the really powerful and/or consequential Jews at the top know the truth. They know they are smarter. They know blacks are tougher and more aggressive. They know all about racial and ethnic differences. So, why do they push the LIE? It is not out of some do-goody naive dream for social justice or equality but out of their commitment to Jewish Supremacism.
    Paradoxically, Jews need to push ‘equality’ or ‘equity'(or whatever it’s called in the Current Year) to maintain Jewish supremacy. As Jews control the dogma and narrative, the issue of ‘equality’ or ‘equity’ comes down to blacks and whites(than about Jews and goyim). The Main Gripe is ‘why do whites have more than blacks?’ It’s never about ‘why do Jews have more than goyim?’ or ‘how come 70% of the Biden administration is Jewish?’ or ‘Why are Hollywood, Wall Street, Big Tech, and etc. controlled by Jews?’ Indeed, Murray himself speaks of whites, blacks, Asians, and ‘Latins’ but doesn’t mention Jews. (Why is ‘latin’ still used for brown people from South America and Mexico when they aren’t Latin in race or heritage?) Because Murray won’t mention Jews, he creates the false impression that naive white people are behind the ‘woke’ lunacy about race relations, i.e. hopefully Political Correctness will end IF white elites come to their senses. But, that’s just wishful thinking.
    In truth, Jews control America and planted those lunatic ideas in the minds of deracinated soulless/rootless whites who are now so gullible because they no longer have a real heritage, history, religion, culture, and/or noble race-ism. Hungry for meaning, they readily absorb whatever BS is pushed by prestigious Jews from the top.
    ‘Woke’ lunacy and Political Correctness are not the product of do-goody zealotry and misguided naivete though propped up by them. They are the product of willfully malicious agendas of Jewish Supremacists. Of course, many who believe in the nonsense are sincere in their beliefs. No doubt many white idiots who weep to GREEN MILE or prostrate themselves before George Floyd murals are earnestly dumb or honestly stupid. But these are powerless boobs, the suckers. They are like useful idiots during the Cold War, the anti-war types who were unwittingly used as stooges by Moscow. If not for Jewish concentration of power, the current PC idiocy would not exist, at least not to the extent it does.

    Besides, the powerful gets to decide the targets of any ideological ire. Thus, ‘equity’ fixates on whites having more than blacks but not on Jews having more than whites. It fixates on rare instances of blacks being mistreated by white cops but says nothing about countless whites brutalized by tougher and stronger blacks. It says nothing about the lack of equal protection for many individuals(of all races) who were attacked by BLM and Antifa mobs. It’s like in the Cultural Revolution, the slogan ‘To Rebel is Justified’ didn’t mean one could rebel against Mao and the Gang of Four. No, you could rebel only against targets approved by Mao and the Gang of Four. It’s no different today in the current West. ‘Equity’ means kvetching about blacks having less than whites, not blacks or goyim having less than Jews. Even though Jews have the most by far, they hog moral credit by berating whites for having more than blacks. This way, Jews get to own more and morality at the same time. Even though they have more than whites, as spokesmen for the blacks they hog the limelight as champions of ‘equity’ by bashing ‘white privilege’. Rather pathetically, rich white-cuck elites ape the Jews and play the same game. Bidens and Clintons raking it in and living like new royalty but always berating far less fortunate whites for ‘exclusion’ and ‘social injustice’.

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    But Murray won’t mention any of this because he has a giant kosher dildo up his pitiful arse. He is truly one of the most despicable turds that ever lived. In some ways, he’s worse than full-blown cucks who are at least consistent in their cravenness; they never deviate from the official line and are rewarded accordingly. In contrast, Murray has taken lots of lumps from Jews in the media and academia, but he sucks up to them all the same. But then, Jared Taylor is even more despicable. At the very least, Murray is somewhat tolerated by the Establishment(because he rarely mentions Jews in a critical way) and promotes libertarianism while denigrating any notion of white identity or consciousness.
    Indeed, Murray is sometimes useful to Jews because he will say what’s on their minds in a genteel watered-down way. This way, Jews can outsource it to Murray and don’t have to dirty their own hands. After all, even as Jews push the nuttery of PC and blackness, they are anxious it may get out of hand, as indeed it did in 2020 with Antifa and BLM getting overzealous and hurting some Jews in the bargain as well. It is then that Jews pull out Murray and publish his views. This way, Jews get to temper the extremism of PC by using Murray as proxy, all the while feigning moral outrage that someone could hold such views. A sneaky way of playing both sides. This means Murray has some value to the Jews. They keep him around as mild and moderate Mr. Crime-Think when things get too out of control(and a bit of counter-narrative is necessary), and on some level, Murray seems to know of and value his little niche in the system. So, if Murray were to speak the total truth, he would have something to lose. His shtick is walking the fine line between the Correct-Think and Crime-Think. In contrast, Taylor is utterly vilified and hated by Jews and has nothing more to lose but carries on with a ridiculous fantasy of smart Jews finally seeing the light and joining with the likes of him.

    The current lunacy is the result of Jewish Power. Jews push ‘equity-wokery’ to blame and shame whites into moral obeisance in order to secure Jewish Supremacism. Critical Race Theory is essentially Jewish reworking of antisemitism whereby Jews-as-villains are replaced with whites-as-villains. There is an element of revenge in all this, but even that isn’t the main driving force, which is Jewish Supremacism. Jews are no dummies, and they know they got numeracy but not the numbers. Whites got the numbers. So, if Jews are to maintain their supreme position, they need white cuckery, white submission, white obedience, and etc. before the Jewish Master. Jews use tons of bribes/carrots, but that only goes so far. Japan spread money around in the 1980s, but loyalty based on cash only goes so far. Also, allegiance based purely on money can easily be reviled(as China is finding out these days, especially with Australia). China spent a lot of money to buy influence and ended up being accused of corrupting the world, and people who took the money are shamefacedly cutting ties.
    If Jewish Power was solely based on money, it would be vulnerable to exposure and condemnation, much like the money power of Chinese and the Saudis. Jewish Money Power exceeds that of any other in the world, but how come so little is talked about it, especially among whites, the key demographics for Jewish supremacist power? In the past, Jews spent a lot of money and bought a lot of ‘friends’, but they also faced the danger of being called out for their nefarious influence.
    Jews know this and decided to control whites not only through gold but guilt. Give some pieces of gold to the ‘good whites’ who do as Jews tell them but also instill white hearts with massive ‘guilt’ so that whites won’t dare Name the Jew. So, Jews endlessly bring up the Holocaust and say whites are responsible for all eternity and must atone and make amends. Or any white criticism of Jewish Power is deemed ‘antisemitic’, thus related to ‘nazism’.
    But emphasizing Jewish tragedy isn’t sufficient to control white hearts forever. After all, Holocaust is receding into history. Whatever might have happened in World War II, the fact is Jews have become the richest and most powerful people in the world, which is becoming impossible not to notice. Also, Jewish Power has become Nazi-like and murderous, which is why criticism of Zionism is growing on the Left. If it were merely between whites and Jews, ‘white guilt’ may well grow weaker because whites would realize that the Jews who are always berating whites are the richest and most privileged people on Earth. Whatever Jews may have suffered in history, it’s not a good look for a rich and powerful people to always play victim.
    Unlike Jews however, many blacks will always remain on the bottom. Therefore, they are good material with which to bait long-term ‘white guilt’. Unlike Jews who made it out of the ghetto and live in penthouses, many blacks are still stuck in the ghetto. So, while it’d be absurd for Jews to complain about their socio-economic conditions and blame it on whites, this can be done indefinitely with blacks. Jews can always point to blacks and say, “They are mired in poverty because of YOU WHITES”, and enough whites will fall sucker for this. And even those whites who see through the LIE will pretend to go along because they won’t be hired or promoted unless they are ostensibly with the program. This way, Jewish control of whites isn’t just through money/gold but through soul and guilt. Thus browbeaten and sullen with shame, whites seek redemption for their ‘racism’, and Jews suggest the way: Endless sucking and cucking up to Jews and their two favored allies, blacks and homos. Notice there is nothing about how whites should care more about Palestinians, investigate Jewish power/privilege, or condemn supremacist Wars for Israel that killed countless Arabs/Muslims. If anything, Jews use BLM to whitewash their own racial supremacism in the Middle East. With blacks as bought-off allies, Jews strut around as champions of ‘anti-racism’ — after all, they are allied with Noble Negroes — , which gives moral cover for what they do to Palestinians. As long as Jews paint the bombs ‘gay’ or ‘BLM’, so many educated whites(the key support-demographics for Jewish Supremacism) will turn a blind eye to the evils of US foreign policy. How can the US military be bad when it spreads the gospel of BLM and globo-homo around the world? Jews favor ni**ers to get a free pass for killing san-ni**ers. And US military’s globo-homo policy means it has the moral right to fuc* the world in the ass. For many brainwashed woke-cucks or wucks, just about ANYTHING is justified if wrapped in the symbol of BLM or Globo-Homo, in a manner similar to the dumb mantra of ‘Support the Troops’ justifying wars for idiot conzos.

    That’s what this is really about. And Jews have gotten even more extreme in pushing PC lunacy because of the internet and Trumpian populism. Jews are trying to put the genie back in the bottle. They know that White Liberation may well mean the end of Jewish Supremacism.

    Now, Murray knows all this. He knows it but pretends otherwise because, all said and done, he is a worthless bald-headed cuck maggot whose First Emotion is mindless reverence for Jews whom he deems the Chosen Race due to their higher IQ. If some white women got jungle fever for black dongs, some white men(not least in HBD circles) have Juggle Fever for acrobatic Jewish brains. Murray is so awed by Jewish Genius, the summit of ‘human achievement’, that he grovels before it as the greatest thing in the universe. It’s like master and dog. No matter how much Jews kick him like a dog, his sappy dream is, “I hope they realize I’m a good dog with everlasting loyalty, because my main duty as a goy is to serve the superior race, the one with Jewish Genius.” So, just like a dog is loyal even when its master does wrong, Murray is loyal to Jews on a similar basis. While Murray knows full well that Jews sometimes act badly, he has internalized their superiority vis-a-vis goyim, and that means, all said and done, Jews must rule and goyim must serve. The main meaning of his life comes not from libertarian ideology but an idolatrous devotion to Jews as the Superior Race(just like some whites have similar feelings about blacks as the superior race of song-dong-strong.) What a worthless cuck. This lowlife even changed his view on ‘gay marriage’ because some of his RICH FRIENDS happen to be homo. You see, the status-minded Murray won’t dare offend the ‘better kind of people’, especially Jews. And if Jews say ‘homo is holy too’, Murray bends over to the homos and gladly takes it up the arse.

    He pretends in the latest book that these ‘better kind of people’ are just misguided and misinformed when, in fact, they know the truth but maliciously spread the lie to guilt-bait whites into obeisance. Imagine there’s a master and a dog. But suppose the master, a nasty son-of-a-bitch, gets another dog, a bigger and tougher one, and uses it to attack and humiliate the original dog. The master knows full well what he is doing and sadistically enjoys the cruelty, but suppose the original dog prefers the fantasy that the master is acting this way out of ignorance and in total innocence of the fact that the new dog is bigger and more vicious. Stupid dog.

  20. … the slowness of American whites to adopt racial identity politics for themselves. Murray approves of such reluctance. He may not like minority racial politics, yet his principal fear appears to be that Whites may begin to develop something similar.

    Murray, and every HBD person online, is terrified of Whites having solidarity. Keep in mind, Murray has access to elite circles, working for the American Enterprise Institute and having attended Bilderberger meetings.

    To be blunt, part of the reason we’re in this mess is because of guys like him. They’ve had the ear of power and consistently pushed a narrative that cheats White people. Sorry to put it that way but it’s true. So many love him for “speaking the truth” about racial differences, but frankly, everyone knew about these differences 500 years ago.

    The CivNats betray Whites (the only CivNats I ever see are White) in order to push a liberal utopia. And they are willing to let Whites suffer to build their silly vision.

    • Agree: usNthem, 3g4me
  21. anon[505] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    The game is very simple. Its called “Divide and Conquer” “white genocide”

    FIFY

  22. Murray the milquetoast.

    Sadly, I know many Murrays.

  23. Charles Murray can describe the effects, but like most people he will never recognize the cause. Nobody believes it, but underlying the race war is a war of different moralities. Anti-racism is a moral imperative, and most whites have been guilt-tripped into believing it. But it’s fake morality that doesn’t represent true Christian beliefs. A popular theme on the right is to blame Christianity for the rise of rabid leftism, but a more thoughtful analysis reveals that Christian precepts have been totally subverted.

    Traditional Christianity believed that God gave different people different talents. This extended to His creation of different tribes and races, to which He gave different strengths and weaknesses. Treating people with dignity and respect did not imply that we catered to their lack of skills. If someone wasn’t born with a talent, that was not a moral judgment. If God didn’t give someone a talent, that did not mean it was somehow repressed or taken away by other people. This set of beliefs was taken for granted by most of society. It was the basis of race relations. But it was subverted by the great lie called equality. First the socialists tried to apply economic equality throughout the 20th century. When that proved to be a disaster, cultural Marxists tried a different approach. They cleverly slipped equality into Western culture, which is what we see today. Equality has crept unrecognized into every aspect of life, including race, sex, culture, religion, and on and on. It’s greatest success is racial equality. We can extend the analysis even further, by recognizing who is behind cultural Marxism. It’s an assault by Jews against Christians, in a war that began 2000 years ago on the Cross.

    The reason nobody believes this is a war of moralities, is that most people have been brainwashed to not think in such terms. It’s all peripheral nonsense to them. They’re either embarrassed to think about religion, or they’re convinced it’s irrelevant. They’re marinated in scientific materialism. What they refuse to understand is that religion never went away, it’s just been disguised. Leftism IS religion. It’s the unacknowledged official religion of every Western country. What Émile Cammaerts said in 1937 is true today: “When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing. They then become capable of believing in anything.”

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @Allan
  24. anon[425] • Disclaimer says:

    The post Boomer/GenX USA will become a poorer, nuttier place with a few nice areas by 2040. I suggest the small generation of white youth leave it. No loyalty is owed to it on our end.

    • Agree: Tom Marvolo Riddle
  25. AndrewR says:
    @Travis

    Focusing on white vs “non white” is exactly what the tribe wants. We need multiracial white supremacy and multiracial anti-Semitism.

    • Agree: profnasty
    • Troll: Tom Marvolo Riddle
    • Replies: @James Scott
  26. AndrewR says:
    @Kirt

    Getting rid of white traitors would fix 90% of our problems

    • Agree: profnasty, Realist
  27. @Kirt

    So why would anyone think that a duel to the death between white “elites” and white “deplorables” in the US would be good for whites in general?

    I am pretty sure that nobody else is going to say it, so I will (pseudonymously):

    Because, evolutionarily speaking, this is the battle for the Apex. Whites are challenged only in a rearguard fashion by East Asians. The other tribes offer no competition whatsoever. Absolutely none. Compare the exploits of SpaceX to the exploits of the Bantu or (pick a primitive). Case rested.

    [MORE]

    White folk need to decide whether we embrace the concept of good breeding (eugenics) which has carried us this far, or to embrace the concept of “Downs Syndrome deserve to be President.” It really isn’t that much more complicated. We pretend that it is because our life span is so short, but honestly, we have conquered the world and it looks like we are conquering Mars soon, our only enemy is within..

    In this, the elites have it right. It really is all about the goodwhites vs the badwhites. Sadly, for the majority of my life, I at least pretended to want to be an “elite” (perhaps scratching at such momentarily). When you absorb the magnitude of how badly the real elite have been fucking us, and for how long, you’re filled with an emptiness. None of the shit you’ve been taught had any purpose other than enriching the same fucktards who now label you an evil “racist” by virtue of your birth and ability to discern reality.

    Unfortunately, we are all entirely subject to the whims of the two most fucked up narcissistic generations in history. Between the hideous Boomers and their even worse Millennial children, what hope is there for the skeptical/cynical Gen-X or their more based children in Gen-Z? Beyond elite vs deplorable, we have this apparently insurmountable generational retardation (did Nature fail to cull the Boomers properly? Is this then a Natural Disaster?)

  28. AndrewR says:
    @John Johnson

    Certainly you could find examples of cynical Democrats (or Republicunts) who know about HBD but pretend not to in public, but don’t underestimate true belief. The idea that black dysfunction is the direct result of white racism (or simply a lie cooked up by racist whites) may not be appealing to most of us on this website, but it appeals in a religious fashion to tens of millions of normies.

    I must concur with DH’s comment above. Whites have a lot of genetic refuse that will have to be eliminated before any meaningful improvements can be made. Sadly, many non-delusional, decent people will be collateral damage.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  29. Blade says:

    If a minority consisting of 13 percent of the population can generate as much political energy and solidarity as America’s Blacks have, what happens when a large proportion of the 60 percent of the population that is White begins to use the same playbook?

    Doesn’t happen. Abrahamic religions prevent that. The morality of these religions, particularly Christianity and Islam is universal. Moreover, on average, European Americans are capable of building on this morality and philosophizing it. Whereas lower IQ groups do not have such ability. Even when they believe in one of these religions, religion reduces to their intelligence level and becomes something far less complex and primitive as well (thus not a barrier to tribalism). Asians who believe in Christianity, if you noticed, are also similar to white Christians.

    Therefore, Murray’s fears are unfounded. The moment some whites advocate for such tribalism, some others will invent new morals to counter, others will point to Jesus, Mohammed etc. and claim such ideas conflict with the morality of selected Abrahamic religion, yet others will come up with new philosophical ideas on why all collective actions are barriers to true liberty.

    No barrier in this world is stranger than cognitive barriers.

  30. Murray, who won’t FACE THE REALITY of Jewish Power and its abuses, recommends that we face the reality of race. Pot calling kettle black.

    This isn’t just a matter of facts but of power. Certain facts are suppressed and certain fictions are pushed because of who has the power.

    Truth is power-neutral. Facts are independent of any ideology, any agenda, any side. Of course, every power tries to selectively use facts to favor its own agenda. Like with the question, is the cup half full or half empty. Still, the fact is the water fills half the cup, something that can’t be denied by both sides… that is if they have any respect for facts. On the matter of race, Jews don’t go with cup-half-full or cup-half-empty argument, because, no matter how one slices it, it is threatening to the Narrative. So, they push the NO-WATER-IN-CUP argument when, clearly, water fills half the cup(suggesting both nature and nurture).

    Facts don’t assert themselves. It doesn’t matter how true something is. It doesn’t on its own express its own truth, just like a gun, no matter how powerful it is, doesn’t shoot on its own. Gun has to be shot by a person. And people communicate and spread messages. People love power and control above all, even over facts and truth. It’s why we have so many lawyers. People don’t hire lawyers to speak the truth but to twist facts and weave fiction to win cases. If politicians must lie to win and face losing with the truth, they will favor the lie over the truth.
    Of course, facts are often crucial to power. Those with better understanding of chemistry make better medicine. Those with better understanding of ballistics make better guns. Those with better understanding of soil produce more food. So, better mastery of facts leads to more wealth and power. The West beat out the Rest because its methodology became more attuned to facts of reality.
    But just because people use facts to gain wealth/power doesn’t mean they favor facts over wealth/power or hold them in same regard. No, people love power more, and if suppressing facts will favor their power, they will do just that. Thus, when power favors facts, it’s more opportunism than a matter of principle. Why are referees necessary in sports? All the owners, all the coaches, all the players, and all the fans know the rules that must be abided by. And yet, referees are necessary to call foul because the priority in sports is to win. If a foul is committed to the advantage of one’s team, it’s almost always overlooked(by owners, coaches, players, and fans) even though everyone knows it’s a foul. In the 2020 election, even many Democrats must know that there was massive cheating. But those facts are secondary to their winning, their power. It’s just human nature. Power has its own logic, and this is where fascism is most useful unlocking the true nature of power.

    Truth is Jews control the US, not least its academia and media. And for over a generation, Jews have been using news, education, and entertainment mainly to increase their own power and to weaken rival goyim, especially the whites. THAT is the main driving force behind Jewish media and academia. While Jews will favor facts that favors them, they will almost always favor fiction over facts when it’s to their advantage. We saw this with Russia Collusion Hoax, BLM lunacy, lies about Syria & Assad, Covid hysteria, and etc.

    Now, why would this be any different with the subject of race? As long as Jews regard the facts of racial differences(being the real factors behind America’s problems) as a threat to their control over whites(which ensures their control over America), they will do anything to bury those facts. Jewish Supremacism needs White Submission, and Jews decided long ago that White Guilt is the best way to guarantee white moral paralysis and lack of agency, thus putting them at the mercy of Jews and their allies, blacks and homos. If Murray hasn’t the guts to FACE THIS REALITY, he shouldn’t be lecturing about how we need to face up to the reality of race. He needs to dwell less on facts and more on WHICH power is suppressing those facts and WHY.

    Jewish Supremacism is totally out of control, and it now wants to define truth itself. Jews are no longer content with selectively favoring certain facts over others. They want to push further and say truth is whatever they say it is. So, if Jews say 2 + 2 = 5, that is the truth, and you better believe it, brother. It’s no wonder that Jews are so eager to push the tranny-business. Facts independent of any agenda or ideology say that there are two sexes, men and women. Thus, truth is independent of what we want to believe. It is greater than any power, irrespective of what that power desires. Just because the emperor says the Moon is made of cheese doesn’t make it so. It’s like kids eventually realize there is no Santa or Tooth Fairy no matter how much they want to believe in him or her. Truth isn’t what people say or prefer or whatever.
    Indeed, Western Science developed by observing and investigating the world as it is regardless of traditional cosmology. Others cultures developed mystical explanations and then applied them to reality. In contrast, the West arrived at a way to approach reality with clear vision based on what could be observed and tested, unclouded by mysticism and magic. It meant that truth is bigger than any person, people, culture, ideology, or agenda. It doesn’t matter what any man or any people want to believe. It just is, independent of people’s wishes, dreams, or projections. It means truth has an autonomy. No matter how powerful or rich someone is, he cannot make reality say that 4 pebbles = 5 pebbles. Thus, truth humbles even the most powerful among us. But apparently, Jews can’t accept any kind of humility. For them, truth is whatever they say at the moment. ‘Science’ is whatever they push and/or censor at the moment. Last year, the ‘science’ was 100% sure that Covid arose naturally, and now ‘science’ is 100% sure it came from a Chinese lab. In other words, Jews insist that truth has no independence and no autonomy from Jewish interests and agenda.
    Jews want us to see the truth as a kind of trans-truth, always fluid and malleable in accordance to Jewish egotism and megalomania. And what better way than by pushing the tranny nuttery. After all, if people can be made to believe a fat hairy man with penis and balls is a ‘woman’ because Jewish Power says so, they can be made to believe in just about anything. Their sense of reality will be at the mercy of Jewish dictates. They will no longer regard truth as independent of man’s will or agenda. Rather, truth will always be a matter of what Jews want. So, Rachel Levine is a ‘woman’ who now gives lectures on mental health… and George Floyd is a saint. Why? Jews say so, and it must be true because Jews know best. Now, why did Jewish Power get so corrupt and insane? Because white people have been mindlessly cucking to them, and Murray has been one of them. Murray whines about falsehoods on race, but he will not name the source of these falsehoods, which is Jewish Supremacist Power. It’d be like arguing for Heliocentrism against Geo-centrism without naming the powerful Catholic Church as the culprit enforcing the latter. The Power decides, and so the power must be named. No sense in mentioning the symptoms without naming the disease. Falsehoods on race are just symptoms of the cancer of Jewish Supremacism.

  31. nsa says:

    Hey, white dummies. There is not going to be any white identity movement. So it’s every swinging dick for himself.
    Practical Advice for whites:
    1) if you see an afro, it’s time to move. Don’t wait for the imminent feral youth crime wave and mindless violence and declining real estate prices. Just move to a predominantly white area now. Do it.
    2) if you have kids, do not send them to the public schools, especially if the schools are mixed race. Your daughter will end up fucking niggers or white trash thugs just to teach daddy a lesson, and your sons will end up ill educated and demoralized…..or worse. Give a predominantly white private school the money….it’s worth it in the long run.

    Again, jew dominated multi-culti society is successfully replacing you……so you are on your own. Move to a predominately white area. You may have to deal with a few drug addicted fuckups and white trash once in awhile, which is nothing compared to what goes on in the berserk afro areas.

  32. Under Jewish rule, the US is an empire of lies.

    Blacks commit crime, and it got worse in 2020 because Jewish Power, from deep state on down to local level, instigated black pogroms to energize the black base and to intimidate whites with more riots UNLESS Trump is gone. But, there’s no one with courage to name the Jew. Jews and their use of blacks are the biggest domestic terrorist threat in the US. And Jews and their Wars for Israel constitute the biggest worldwide terrorist threat. But Jews control everything and say ‘white supremacism’ is the biggest threat. When will there be White Liberation from these crazy lunatics?
    Because of higher IQ and Jewish intellectual achievement in the 20th century(defined by deep tragic sense in WWII), many thought Jewish rule in the 21st century would be like under wise philosopher kings. It’s like being ruled by a Stalinist version of the Marx Brothers.

    https://www.inquiremore.com/p/stop-blaming-the-pandemic-for-americas

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  33. Altai says:

    Turbo autism.

    The only way you could sustain an establishment which accepted this would be in a society that was overwhelmingly white and self-confident (Or at least a lot less black than America is today) in a form of defacto white supremacy.

    In America as it is doing this would lead to intense black politicisation, over and above what is seen presently, the downstream effects of which would also lead to white ‘identity politics’. And specifically saying blacks are on average less intelligent due to genetic reasons would also boost white collective self-consciousness in and of itself.

    And the fact that so many libertarians are drawn to this indicates that they know exactly what would really happen if this was accepted, whites withdrawing political support for social spending on blacks.

    You can quibble about the truth or if these consequences are undesirable but they would be the consequences.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Bill
  34. This argument (often used by the far right) that white culture has cold-climate hunter gatherer origins doesn’t make sense. Hunter gatherers are collectivists. Whites, like Asians, come from farmers, but more individualistic farmers than Asians. Think of the individual peasant strips and pastoral flocks of Medieval Europe. That’s the most obvious source of western individualism.

    In contrast, Africans, South Sea Islanders, and North American Indians, are semi-hunter gatherers. This is why they tend to be a bit lazy by western standards and don’t really get western style property rights.

    Aboriginal Australians are the most different of all because they never engaged in any form of farming and are pure hunter-gatherers.

    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  35. These scores are based on NAEP tests, which are less g-loaded than true IQ tests. That explains, e.g., why the Black-White difference comes out to 12 points rather than the more commonly cited 15 points.

    Could it also be due to more immigration from Africa, aka Brain Drain? Smarter blacks come here.
    Also, the factor of ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs and the resulting mulattos with some white IQ?

    • Agree: Happy Tapir
  36. Sarah says:

    It is time to address the fundamental issue.
    You can do whatever you want, but people of different races, species, cultures, ethnicities cannot live together in the same country.

    Multculturism, multiracialism, multiethnicism cannot work.

    In history, it has NEVER worked; why would it suddenly work today?

    History shows that it has always ended very badly, at best by expulsion, at worst by extermination.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @Uncle Sam
  37. @onebornfree

    Another completely unrealistic screed from a Libertarian idiot. There are realistic Libertarians but they are very few in number, or dead, like the late Justin Raimondo. Libertarians now very largely consist of 2 groups. Firstly, the Corporatist shills – “Deplatformed by Twitter. you say? It’s a private company, so not a public matter. Your bank’s frozen your account ? Just move your money elsewhere when it unfreezes. Nothing to see here, move on”

    Second, idiots like you, who claim that everything will just be better if we just get rid of the State.

    Get the government entirely out of the race management agenda,which, by the way, it has no constitutional authority to be in in the first place, and leave people free to make their own choices about which races they prefer to associate with, both in trade, education and in personal relationships etc.

    The only way the State will be removed is by violent overthrow. Once overthrown, it will be replaced by some other State entity, not by some Libertarian Utopia. That’s what you are – a Libertopian with no grasp of reality. Very few White Americans want Libertopian pie-in-the-sky, they want a State that supports and protects White people and their interests.

  38. @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Moderator of Peak Stupidity, what do you make of the argument of Dr. Murray, that the state as the most potent actor here is based on the willingness of his citizens to play by the rules and that this is what holds the impressive structure of the United States together and is thus the most important (common) treasure and thus has to be handled with the utmost care and reluctance?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Bill
  39. After the spike protein, patent held by U.S. govt-ZOG, kills 50 million over the next 2-3 yrs the world will be a radically different place.
    Race always matters. This new reality, however, should see a renewed focus on the overskum and the deadly, genocide game they are playing.

  40. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

    Excellent, entertaining and insightful review: thank you, Mr Devlin.

  41. Face reality Mr Devlin, 168 Pages may be a brief book. It is not a brief essay.

    And your typo or his?

    Murray adds: “Triangulating data indicates that the arrest rates reflect, and perhaps understate, ace differences in violent criminal activity.”

    ace or race?

  42. eah says:

    >“If Whites adopt identity politics, disaster follows.”

    Odd how he got that exactly backwards, isn’t it? — abandoning white racial consciousness, meaning an overt sense of its essential identity as a white nation, e.g. via passage of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 and allowing the massive non-white immigration which followed, is exactly what has lead to the current disaster of America 2.0, where race and racial strife are at the top of the news nearly every day, and the political and media establishments now openly demonize and threaten the founding demographic.

    Of course Murray is not that dumb, but he is that cowardly, as anyone who follows his social media has seen — it’s not clear what the point of acknowledging racial differences is without also recognizing they are firmly rooted in genetics, and hence irremediable, unless it’s to galvanize white racial identity in order to avert the ultimate disaster of Whites living as a despised minority in the nation created by their forebears — yes, it’s much better to let the disintegration of America proceed, with its manifest, attendant danger for Whites, without risking the ‘disaster’ of ‘white identity politics’.

    Murray now joins the ranks of pundits I can no longer take seriously, which includes, among others, Peter Brimelow, who sued the NYT for calling him a ‘white nationalist’, a term he regards as a ‘smear’, as well as the ‘anti-racist citizenist’ Steve Sailer.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
    • Replies: @eah
    , @Usura
  43. @Travis

    Just as in past invasions, this one will result in culling Y chromosomes. White males will go extinct in the United States and ultimately, Canada, while white female chromosomes will carry on in the mixed race children of the new coalition. Whether the same fate befalls New Zealand and Australia is up for grabs. Certainly, Europe is headed down the same road.

    What may be best for the European, White race may be, paradoxically, a scenario in which white men in America are persecuted to the point of extinction. Their fate would serve as a warning to the other white nations mentioned above. Of course, those conspiring to murder all whites are aware of this and hence the drive to populate those nations with colored invaders as well. It’s a race and white men in America have lost. If you have any hope of pushing your Y chromosomes forward into the future, it’s time to bail out either by emigrating or getting behind a succession movement.

    Whether white men stay or leave, there will be blood. Brown and black people smell it and have redoubled their attacks. It’s now open season on white men and the women who support them.

    Many white women too smell the blood and have decided to throw in their lot with the alien invaders, whom they regard as winners. In terms of evolution, the selfish gene, this makes perfect sense and looked at in that way, they cannot be blamed. On the other hand, they deserve no mercy either. They are traitors and deserve to be treated as such.

  44. @Priss Factor

    It’s like being ruled by Satan. Jesus speaking to the Pharisees…

    “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

  45. @onebornfree

    The more the elite can get all the idiots distracted and fighting amongst themselves over racial differences/prejudices [ suitably encouraged via racial preference laws etc. etc.], the more that they ensure themselves of staying in power, and gaining even more power/control over the population.

    No you have it completely wrong. The elite are desperately trying to fix the natural inequality that exists between Africans and Europeans. They have failed miserably to hold everyone to equal standards and now seek equality by any means necessary. Spending half a trillion to fix the race problem was not done as a distraction.

    Get the government entirely out of the race management agenda,which, by the way, it has no constitutional authority to be in in the first place, and leave people free to make their own choices about which races they prefer to associate with, both in trade, education and in personal relationships etc

    Libertarian fantasy. In that scenario White people rocket ahead and here comes left-wing parties to tell Blacks and guilt ridden Whites that inequality is caused by White racism and needs to be rectified. What is the libertarian response here? Hand everyone a book by Ayn Rand?

    The libertarian position is based in race denial. It doesn’t work because group differences are real and this is a democracy. Libertarianism would only *barely* work in a homogenous society. But it would only be temporary as Ayn Rand denied that race existed and called for open borders. So in comes the third worlders to create their own left-wing narratives where Whitey must be taxed as he is at fault for inequality.

    Ayn Rand was a meth user who openly admired child killer William Hickman. Please stop following that race denying open borders cult.

  46. @Priss Factor

    The Catholic Church never enforced heliocentrism that forcefully : the dominant position during the “darkest ages” was that Christians ought to read scriptures or other books to become better Christians, not to become better astronomers whenever they had the times and means to do so. Ideological or political-like partisanship in any matters other than conducive to salvation (i.e. : morality) was condemned as such as frivolous : precious time that should have been devoted to prayer or to pious works. This said, any branch of science that was useful for immediate practical life was encouraged in a purely pragmatic way and as for astronomy the best model was the easiest and most straightforward to use for navigation and agriculture, and by that time the Ptolemaic model required less difficult calculations than all others to predict planetary movements with a satisfactory precision. Nevertheless the sizes of the celestial bodies was quite well-known by a 1% margin of error, as well as of the earth proper. The Church for quite a long time promoted geocentricism not because it wanted to control opinion in that matter because there was no other elaborate model considered by the general opinion and the Church had decided for long that in matters unconnected to salvation it had to submit to general consensus for the same reason it had to submit the the general consensus in politics, that is to say the opinion of the richest.

    There was no heretic in the whole history of the Church condemned for his cosmological opinions alone : any time some was it was for other matters presumed to touch salvation more directly. Copernicus’ hypothesis raised absolutely no scandal, though it remained an hypothesis it elicited so interest due to the fact it went against the dogmas of astrology which many church people (though not the majority) found just overpowering and conducive to some form of paganism. Galileo’s problems with the Roman Church was his vindication of a purely mechanistic model of atomic theory that dispensed with the necessity of a divine intervention for the cosmos to go round, and his being an agent of Venetian finance and a vindicator of usury as a divine right in a Godless universe. Giordano Bruno, whose execution at the hands of the Church was remembered as so spectacular, was not a scientist, he just had some personal unverified opinions about scientific matters like so many gurus have still today, he believed in reincarnation and in the plurality of habitable planets like Swami Prabhupada, some sort of hindu guru he was actually, vindicating the idea that laborers and producers had no soul and were mere machines created for the utility of more intelligent people.

    • Agree: utu
  47. @Priss Factor

    Jews?

    American elites are more than 80% Gentile whites. Be it among moneyed classes, the military, politicians, business people, media personalities, public intellectuals, intelligence agencies, bankers etc.

    Jews like Gates, Hanks, Koch family, Murray, Clooney, …. Sure.

    This Jewy stuff is too dumb to even seriously comment on.

  48. Lee says:
    @Robert Dolan

    RD said:

    I watched the Democratic leaders of Congress kneel in the halls of Congress for about 9 minutes, for the death of a black man named George Floyd.

    Thanks for sharing this.

    You can bet that the next election cycle 40% of the country and a large % of UNZ posters will still vote for the Democratic Party and its leaders who did the 9 minute kneel.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  49. @ThreeCranes

    If it is only your white male genes you want to save and propagate, the best strategy is conversion to Islam, as radical and anti-Western as possible. First of all it is the religious environment the least disposed to yield to Jewish dictates and that is forced by its very sacred scriptures to pray for a future world where the Jews meet their final demise. Second it is the most racist religious environment in practice and has always been so in favour of the White race : even when Whites are slaves they fetch the highest value. The Islamic environment is the most impervious of the world against all injunctions towards political correctness and for islamists world Jewry is the one and only source of all wrong opinions : the fact that they are at war with whites in another proof Whites’ genes have the best value and that the only big problem with Whites is that they have not reverted to Islam.

    • Replies: @Joe Paluka
  50. @AndrewR

    Certainly you could find examples of cynical Democrats (or Republicunts) who know about HBD but pretend not to in public, but don’t underestimate true belief. The idea that black dysfunction is the direct result of white racism (or simply a lie cooked up by racist whites) may not be appealing to most of us on this website, but it appeals in a religious fashion to tens of millions of normies.

    Mass delusion is certainly a problem but I am referring to Democrats in Black areas and our reps in DC.

    It is simply not possible to live in a Black area and remain convinced that White racism is the sole cause. For Whites it takes a month at the most if they are rubbing elbows with Blacks. The true believers tend to be Democrats in White cities or states.

    The proof is in how they vote for education related bills. They no longer view education as a means of uplifting Blacks. Everything related to race is about how Whites are to blame.

    White Democrats in Black areas are racial realists that have thrown in with Blacks. But they also hope that racial differences can be mitigated with government programs and miscegenation.

  51. There will be no change except toward further sacralization of blacks and demonization of Whites. The US is a country built on lies. Every single component of its national creed is a lie. There will be no awakening to the truth in matters of race but instead a “woking” to ever-more damnable lies.

  52. gotmituns says:

    I’m a walker. I don’t need any books to help me “face reality.” Reality is just walking watching people attempt to go through their daily tasks, whether it be work, driving, lousing up conversations/communication, etc., etc., etc. I have to admit though it’s fascinating to see. I can hardly believe it when you see many full grown adults these days who don’t have as much sense as the average 8 year old some 70 years ago.

  53. @ThreeCranes

    I think your outlook is too cynical.

    I don’t see the current system favoring anyone. All groups will have to live in the sludge fest.

    Dysgenics in Blacks caused by welfare will at some point be too much for the establishment to suppress. There will basically be too many angry and violent young Blacks trying to lash out at society. This will be too disruptive to the narrative of Blacks being ideal mates for women.

    Genetic research will pick away at egalitarian lies. Genes that favor certain abilities will be discovered to have developed outside sub-Saharan Africa and the establishment won’t be able to keep this from public view. This is inevitable, it simply isn’t possible to have 70k years of separation without gene development that favors culture.

    US conservatism is bound to crack. It is simply being pulled by too many forces. It won’t have to embrace racial realism but it will need to kick out the globalists if it wants to compete. Rush/Reagan style conservatism is completely doomed. It was naïve and never held up in serious debate.

  54. @Michael Fury

    NEMESIS “Do you know what “nemesis” means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an ‘orrible c u n t… me.”

    • LOL: Avis
  55. @Priss Factor

    Every Jew is Judas. Jesus Christ was the Messiah who fulfilled every prophecy made in the Old Testament concerning the coming of the Messiah. And yet they crucified him because they wanted a messiah who would give them all the world’s power and gold, not one who would redeem all of mankind. And America’s oh-so-wise Founding Fathers gave them citizenship and set up a system of government that would allow them to gain control. In effect, the US is a nation ruled by King Judas. It’s irredeemable. It can’t be saved and no White Christian should want it to be saved.

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  56. @Dieter Kief

    Dieter, as Peak Stupidity briefly discussed in this post 3 1/2 years ago, “Libertarians have a lot to learn from the conservatives, and conservatives have a lot to learn from the libertarians.” Commenter OneBornFree here is a cut-and-paster and often annoying dude, but he is right above, when he notes that if the US Feral Gov’t hadn’t been ENABLED to get involved in these matters, there would be none of the problems we are having.

    There is no way the States by themselves would have agreed on the legal immigration stupidity (or evil?) of the 1965 immigration act. The 4 southern border States alone, if acting without Feral Gov’t interference would not have let the illegal immigration through that route get out of control The whole Civil Rites agenda is unConstitutional by Amendments X and more, which is the problem Barry Goldwater had with it. Conservatives ought to think about all this.

    As also discussed in the post linked-to above, the Founders of the only nation formed with the ideas of small, limited government, were White British men. They had a long history of resisting tyrannical powers by the Monarchy. Does anyone think the newcomers to America and the huge black population really gives a damn about these ideas as the Founders and their progeny have? How many new Americans will be subscribing to Reason magazine and reading Ron Paul columns? Libertarians ought to think about this.

    Did that answer your question. No, actually I see myself that it didn’t. ;-}.

    OK.the enemies of the White man, most especially their leaders, do not play by these (constitutional, due process, property rights, etc…) rules that the White man set up. For example, the ctrl-left LUVED LUVED LUVED that Amendment I freedom of speech bit when they were not in the Establishment yet in the 1960s, but they don’t now that they ARE the Establishment. They only use the rules that help them and have no regard for fairness.

    The White man can’t play by his rules while the other side doesn’t. Because almost all Government entities, along with Academia, lower Ed, Big Biz and the Lyin’ Press are all part of the ctrl-left Establishment now, one can’t appeal to them for help. In general, they are part of the enemy.

    If al. that matters is holding the US together, even if it becomes a Brazilian/S. African/worse hellhole for Whites, then I don’t care if it stays together. All we need is a heavily defended remnant.

    • Agree: Adam Smith
    • Replies: @Adam Smith
    , @Dieter Kief
  57. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Another long drawn out article from another long drawn out and boring academic. The English language has become so perverse and distorted that I wonder how any non-English speaker masters the thing.

    For example, at one time people pissed their pants. Now they suffer from incontinence. A brain damaged idiot who pees their pants is now “a mentally challenged person suffering from incontinence”.

    These articles from bloggers referencing “academics” are so full of this, that even the Royal Family must keep an urban dictionary handy to translate this shit. In summary:
    –Niggers and brown people commit are the most criminal
    –They murder their own more than they murder other races
    –Whites should not care about the slaughter among themselves
    –Whites are the targets of blacks
    –Whites must respond forcefully when the target of black/ brown criminals.

    If they don’t then they will go down and they will have no one to blame but themselves. I find it puzzling that 2% of the population run 13% of the population most of whom are in jail and in turn these set the agenda for 85% of the population.

    “White identity politics” whatever the fuck that means in academia should be interpreted as “instant street justice” when blacks attack. There was a time in the old west when Towns got together and wiped out criminals and outlaws. As long as blacks and browns get away with their antics their lawlessness will continue.

    Ultimately, the people in power who support and condone this will find to their dismay that attack dogs frequently turn on their owners and handlers.

    • Replies: @Bert
  58. eah says:
    @eah

    >exactly what has lead

    led

  59. Fuck the ruling class. They are the enemy. Our job is to to separate from them. Put a border between them and us. Wriggle out from under their jurisdiction.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  60. GMC says:

    I’ll try this one again. The reason that the media, alphabet agencies, and other bought off ” readers” are regurgitating propaganda 24/7, is because they are covered by Obama’s Law passed in 2013. I call it the Propaganda Law because when he passed it, it was presented to the public as an addition to the Radio Free Europe propaganda . However , what it really was – and it has been put on steroids today , is ” We now have the Right to use Propaganda – Against the citizens of thr USA”. And anyone who is onboard with this NWO programming – has full immunity from most legal actions against the NWO media.

  61. @Rahan

    This a great question, Rahan. I can’t really answer as to your first “reality”. It’s roots lie in the 60’s I guess. That decade produced so MUCH bullshit.
    As to your second “reality” I suspect it’s a subjective question.
    For me the final straw was Iraq (2001). The LYING was so flagrant, so unashamed that I just wanted to scream — “wake up people, you are being played !”.
    But the bulk (not all) just swallowed it like a warmish cup of coffee….not so nice, but no “biggie”…. Others preached it
    – ad nauseam – like a simple sermon for simpletons ( Thanks, John Howard, you fucking dog (Aust’ PM at the time).
    I’m sure other readers here have different yet similar experiences.

    • Agree: profnasty
    • Thanks: Rahan
  62. This book may be good, but its intent is too late. The blacks have been triggered by their kosher owners with a little help from their curry buddies. We whites can do nothing, or we fight for our survival. Reminder, we whites didn’t want this game, but we sure as hell can play not by our enemies’ rules. White identity politics is the only way out of this.

  63. @onebornfree

    “The game is very simple. Its called “Divide and Conquer” Man, did you just hit the nail on the head, OBF. Thanks.

  64. SMK says: • Website

    Why call blacks in the US “Africans” rather than sub-Saharan Afircans? North Africans are Arabs, who are caucasians.

    How can the average IQ of “blacks” or “Africans” in the US be 85 much less 91 when the average IQ of negros in Haiti and sub-Saharnn Africa is 67-70 if Lance Welton is right to claim that IQ is 80% genetic and 20% environmental?

    Such averages are profoundly misleading in that millions of so-called “blacks” or “Afircans” in the US are partly or half or mostly or almost entirely “white” i.e. European: mulattos, quadroon, even octoroons who are almost 90% European. It would be more accurate to define quadroons and octoroons as “white” or European rather than “black” or “African”/sub-Saharan African.

    • Replies: @Anonymous Jew
    , @Bill
  65. GayDad69 says: • Website

    It’s already happening and it is glorious.

    There is nothing stopping anyone from changing their name to Jose Gonzales to get free shit from the government, hiring preference, loans, you name it.

    Nothing stopping you from claiming to be a woman so you can get government contracts either.

    I know a guy who made his girlfriend claim to be trans so he could get free steroids and estrogen blockers. He sells them to gym rats; free $2000 a month courtesy of the tranny lobby.

    If you have gay pride and BLM flags on your lawn, no one will suspect you have Confederate flags in your home.

    Deception, like ethnocentrism, is evolutionarily advantageous. Learn to lie or learn to die.

    • Replies: @Anon
  66. @John Johnson

    “There are also the Christian conservatives that find the whole topic offensive because in their minds race doesn’t exist cause that would be unChristian.”
    Re, black people I think you are probably correct.
    But isn’t it funny that ONE “tribal” race does exist (esp’ for your average evangelical), & that this “race” must be nurtured & indulged infinitely ??

  67. @onebornfree

    Nations existed before the State. It’s like you don’t even know where Diversity comes from.

    Libertarianism is whiter than Reagan’s America and is therefore finished as a viable political movement in majority non-white America.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Corvinus
  68. “People who were trusting of outsiders were less likely to pass on their genes.”

    Which explains why I will die childless… earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

  69. Bill says:
    @Dieter Kief

    He sounds like a savage with a bone through his nose worried about gravity turning off if we don’t dance properly at our next orgy.

    That isn’t fair, of course. He sounds like a coward, telling whatever lies he thinks will ward off the NKVD. Like the rest of us.

  70. Allan says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    It’s ironic that lightskinned Caucasians are being beaten down and crippled again by a religion which, like the cult of Jesus, has a churlish demonology, a scurrilous doctrine of original sin, the seed of Calvinist tendencies, an abundance of demagogues, and a great fondness for the guilt trip.

  71. @Travis

    Whites are only a minority if all non-whites are counted as one group. That’s like sorting all gentiles by nationality, while counting Jews from every nation as one group for victim status during WWII. It’s done for a reason and gives a view that is very different than reality.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  72. @Bardon Kaldian

    “…American elites are more than 80% Gentile whites…”

    Right, and who are those 20% elites, whom the 80% Gentile elites serve?

  73. Anon[420] • Disclaimer says:
    @GayDad69

    Well, sad to say, you comment is right on the money, especially:

    Deception, like ethnocentrism, is evolutionarily advantageous. Learn to lie or learn to die.

    This is reflected in the reality of my daily interactions. When I tell the truth it gets me nowhere. When I rub the facts, dissimulate, tell half truths, embellish, embroider and outright bald face lie, everything comes my way. Its like people want you to lie to them and are anxious to reward you accordingly.

    The problem with this is that after a while one becomes adept and can tell the most outrageous lie without flinching, without the flicker of an eye or an intestinal twitch. Practice makes perfect !

    Some wag once sarcastically remarked that there is a Supply and Demand issue here. There is a huge demand for lies and a limited supply. It always amazes me that the public is aware (hopefully) of the 24/7 deceptions by politicians, MSM and other diverse players. Yet, they swallow the very next load of shit shovelled their way and ask for seconds.

    What a sad world this has become.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  74. hillaire says:

    Murray has his uses but also a selective myopia…. one doesn’t need to sift through reams of data ( the obsession of modern kwakademia) to acknowledge what is patently obvious to anyone not having succumbed to terminal imbecility..

    Identity politics and much of the ‘lefts’ current cancerous ideologisms are a ‘potemkin village’ a facade that currently masks the abject failure of everything they fanatically idolize, a somewhat flimsy barrier to those who may tentatively cast a critical eye over the absurdities and hypocrisy within..

    the old geezer’s correct when he states that without ‘white privilege’ these miscreants would have to engage with the colossal failure of certain hominim and the so called philosophical discourses that impose such nonsense on once reasonably cohesive ‘societies’..

    their solution.. re-engineer the said societies, into which they have shoe horned these misfits and then invert reality… funnily enough bankrolled by big ‘capital’..

    of course the real aim of the project outside of the grifters, mendicants and useful idiots pushing this drivel is to divide and conquer and ultimately crush all western society, whilst preventing the herd from pinning their beadies on the ‘real culprits’ who hope to pick up the pieces in the …..

    ‘aftermath’….

  75. JackOH says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    DH, thanks for that “Whites are so demoralized and so intimidated . . .”.

    We are in a big-time mess when the political choice faced by innocent Whites is to smilingly cave in to the abrogation of their right of voluntary association, their right to be judged by the content of their character and education in applying for work and advancing therein, and much else that the civil rights laws have spawned.

    Either that, or face a smear-up as a Klansman/Nazi/White Supremacist slob.

  76. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    “All that existed here when whites had not yet come, was cacti, scorpions and desert. No water, until white engineering brought it down to L.A.”
    Not sure if I’m missing the point (perhaps your point is paticular to los angeles?) but weren’t there native Americans around?
    Anyway I agree with your general point.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  77. MEH 0910 says:

  78. profnasty says:
    @Travis

    If is correct, its a lot worse than you think. White countries are virtually finished. //Speculation is, it can happen because of currency crash and cultural violence/despair. (US pop. 330m-100m. GDP 25T- 2T) All this by 2025. Other countries are very little affected. Oh my!

  79. profnasty says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Crisis, what crisis?
    Antebellum south farm had 6 Whites, 60 Black’s.
    Sans rebellion, we’ll be in high cotton.
    Full speed ahead!

    • LOL: Realist
  80. Excellent article even I can understand it.
    Living creatures become intelligent by being exposed to problems. Basically it is survival of the fittest.
    Thee problem is the inheritance of the intelligence. How much intelligence is inherited, and how much intelligence is learned from parents.
    How much inherited intelligence is written in genes?
    That we do not know!
    And we should know!

  81. profnasty says:
    @Priss Factor

    That is not a comment.
    That, is an article.
    Good job sport!

  82. In addition to admitting that racial differences exist, Murray could also state that whites founded, settled, and built America. Without whites, America is not America. Changing the demographics in jobs or society amounts to an attack on America.

  83. @Robert Dolan

    I can attest to the fact that all of the White women that I know are talking more and more frequently about how America reached this crazy point and who is behind this evil? You are absolutely correct when you say that they have pushed too hard & too fast. That will be their downfall – along with their arrogance and unending hubris. Many of the naive Goyim are truly waking up.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  84. Usura says:
    @eah

    Ron Unz has also stated many times that white nationalism in the U.S. would be a disaster. I think what these men are driving at is hinted at in Altai’s and ThreeCranes’s posts: mass white identitarianism will likely mean mass bloodshed, of whites and non-whites. But your point is also valid: if slow-walked racial extinction is the alternative, any amount of bloodshed becomes an acceptable cost to any rational strategist.

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Sin City Milla
  85. @Robert Dolan

    I dearly wish each and every American citizen to be able to read this. It is extremely powerful.

  86. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Libertarianism is whiter than Reagan’s America and is therefore finished as a viable political movement in majority non-white America.

    I had a conversation with an official from the Libertarian party of Atlanta in the early 2000s, and when he replied that he supports open borders, I quit listening. My impression is that the Libertarian movement is more of a Jewish movement than a white movement, at least at the top.

    • Agree: G J T
  87. Agent76 says:

    Jan 18, 2008 George Carlin -“Who Really Controls America”

    Which Corporations Control The World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use?

    https://internationalbusinessguide.org/corporations/

    “Control the oil, and you control nations. Control the food, and you control the people.” Henry Kissenger

  88. geokat62 says:

    Ramzpaul blows a gasket in his latest video, Just Leave Us Alone:

    https://rumble.com/vilj25-just-leave-us-alone.html

  89. @Achmed E. Newman

    Good morning Achmed…

    I like that you called it the “Civil Rites” agenda as it is very much like a religion…

    Does anyone think the newcomers to America and the huge black population really gives a damn about these ideas as the Founders and their progeny have? How many new Americans will be subscribing to Reason magazine and reading Ron Paul columns?

    Does anyone think that the average newcomer or average member of the unfortunately huge black population could even comprehend the writings of the founders, Reason magazine or Ron Paul?

    The ctrl-left LUVED LUVED LUVED that Amendment I freedom of speech bit when they were not in the Establishment yet in the 1960s, but they don’t now that they ARE the Establishment. They only use the rules that help them and have no regard for fairness.

    Have you ever read Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals?

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Agent76
  90. Realist says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I thank you for pointing out this either stupid or cowardly view by Mr. Murray that we’d all be better off if White people never go tribal.

    Yes, Murray is very gun shy, and I fault him for that, but he did bring racial IQ differences front and center. And yes kudos to Steve Sailer for doing the same.

    Murray seems to not understand that if you pull the dragon’s tail…you at the least get the hairs on your ass singed.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  91. @Priss Factor

    I don’t buy Jewish superiority. Jews have an elite, but not enough stratification to build a functioning society, and definitely not a civilization. Great for being traveling parasites and destroyers, but not much else if they wish to be in charge. And there are lots of stupid Jews, also, whose main jobs seem to be to hold slots for Jews, stir up trouble, or swindle the old or weak. The difference between Jews and Whites at the moment is tribalism. Elite Jews cover for Jewish rabble rousers, incompetents, and swindlers, while elite Whites refuse to even acknowledge that their non-elite co-ethnics have interests, valid complaints or value. That’s your difference, and that’s what has allowed Jew to temporarily gain control.

    The White/Euro elites are more than capable of thwarting the Jews, but have decided to ally with them for some reason. Somehow, I doubt that the result will be better than the societies and civilizations that Whites and Europeans have created on their own, and Jews have never created.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
  92. Realist says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Like Charles Murray, I too am a product of Newton, Iowa, albeit a bit later in time, but probably not much in attitude. And if government were like the Jasper County Board of Supervisors, loss of legitimacy might be a problem. (Although I’m not sure about those people over in Polk County!)

    While I was not born in Iowa, I grew up in Des Moines…I have not lived there for decades. I am curious about your Polk County comment.

    Sadly your last paragraph is absolutely correct.

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  93. bayviking says:

    The purpose of these questionable studies is to justify White Supremicist rule, an otherwise dying Institution. As if being smarter entitles you to use those smarts to exploit less intelligent peoples. This violates the basic principles of democracy as defined in the declaration of Independence, wherein “all men are created equal” the meaning of which I interpret to be “in the eyes of the Law”. We know everyone is not equal in social and economic terms, but we can aspire to treat everyone equally under the law. In our country black people were consistently abused and murdered without accountability until mass protests forced primarily Southern States to change their laws and practices. No one deserves to be ruled by another just because they are smarter. There are many examples of black people who are smarter than white people, but so what? The propensity of Asian people to outperform White people on IQ tests is probably associated with their written language and manifests most strongly in their ability to grasp the complex abstract symbology of Calculus. Over time and social progress we can expect to see some of these disparities disappear. But their is no justification for abandoning democracy.

    • LOL: G J T
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Zarathustra
  94. @onebornfree

    Bravo! I certainly have to agree with that.

    And in the spirit of same, would everyone please take the following brief IQ test:

    Question 1. You should always run your purchases through your credit or charge-card account because if you pay within the grace period you receive a free loan, plus you get membership rewards and even some cash-back. True or False?

    The answer is “False”.

    There is a concealed credit charge in the sticker-price of the goods or services that ranges between 1% and 6%, and which averages about 3%.

    If you charge an apparent $100 purchase to your amex account, for example, the merchant will most typically receive $95 from amex, and amex will receive and record your $100 payment of the “full balance” 21 days later as inclusive of a $5 interest charge. Its yield on the transaction is 143.9% per annum. That is why when you look at the company’s Annual Reports you will find for example:

    Interest income is capitalized [front-loaded at the time of purchase] into the loan balance [“cardmember receivable” balance] in accordance with the terms of the Cardmember agreements. [Amex Bank of Canada Financial Statements/Annual Report]
    ____
    All amounts charged to the account, including purchases, …and … fees [front-loaded interest charges at the time of purchase] will be called Charges in this Agreement. [Amex Cardmember Agreement] [i.e., all Principal and Interest-capitalized [front-loaded] in-advance will be called “Principal”]

    amex (owners and management) requires / needs the card-user’s legal consent to pay the concealed-credit-charges, but absolutely not their knowledge or understanding-in-fact.

    [MORE]

    Why don’t we ask former Amex CEO James Robinson III for his opinion?

    From the opening pages of House of Cards – Inside the Troubled Empire of American Express (1992). The referenced newspaper articles all discussed Amex’s fee schedule (required concealed price discounts and corresponding concealed credit fees):

    [American Express president] Jim Robinson was fuming… He stared at a grainy black and white photograph of a restaurant owner who had impaled an American Express Card on the tip of a foot-long butcher knife…. The caption on the Boston Herald photo read “Pointed Protest.” …. The card attack wasn’t an isolated incident. The article in the Boston Herald was one of a dozen that Robinson was studying [from NYC] on that chilly April morning in 1991. They all described at length what AmEx’s staff had begun to call the “Boston Fee Party.” Fed up with exorbitant fees, roughly one hundred restaurants in the Boston area were threatening to stop accepting Amex plastic. “It’s too damn costly” said one protest organizer. For years American Express had charged [US] merchants a commission of 3% to 5% every time a customer used the green or gold card. The “discount fee” had been common throughout the card industry. It had been a key source of revenue to every card issuer. But AmEx’s fee was the highest in the business. Visa, the leading bank card brand and AmEx’s closest rival, charged only 2%.… [actually a range of 2% to 5.75%]” Did you see the paper? Did you see what’s happening in Boston?” Robinson thundered. He sounded panicked. “What the hell is this?”… “In my entire career, my entire career,” began Robinson,…“I have never seen anything as distasteful as this goddamn thing.” … “How could you let it get so far?”… “Do you know how this makes us look?”….”What I want to know right now is what we’re doing,”… “We can’t have our SE’s [concealed price discounts and concealed credit fees] paraded around in the goddamn papers”.

    Even if they did not realise it, the restaurant owners were really complaining about the concealed price discounts they were required to give Amex card-users in exchange for access.

    The reason Mr. James Robinson III (a.k.a. “Jimmy Three Sticks”) was on the verge of having a stroke is because at least one of his multiple personalties is fully aware that American Express is technically and actually in the racketeering business, and one of the world’s premier money-laundering operations.

    And of course all of the credit / charge-card issuers, like all proper gangsters, have stated and implied (and flagrantly criminal / illegal) Keep-your-bleeping-mouths-shut rules in their Merchant Agreements.

    Here a Toronto restaurant owner had put display cards on his tables revealing the various / different price discounts that he had to give to Visa, MC, and Amex, etc. card-users:

    American Express is making an example of a local restauranteur who displays the charge card’s rates, [by revoking its agency status or licence to accept Amex Cards], …..the charge card firm counters that it will take action against any restaurant that accepts American Express but directly or indirectly discourages customers from using it….. Fabian Siebert, proprietor of Marcel’s Bistro and president of the Toronto Culinary Purchasers Society, chastised American Express for its actions against La Bodega: “They’re just picking on one (restaurant) to make an example in hopes everyone else will just shut up,” Siebert said….. American Express spokesperson Ivan Shaffer said the company was simply protecting the rights of its card members…..Amex’s administrative fees are higher because the firm doesn’t make any money through interest charges [!!!] as does credit companies like Visa, Shaffer added…..

    [Shaffer] said the firm has received a number of complaints from La Bodega’s customers who feel embarrassed and harassed by the [credit card price discount rate(s)] display cards. Shaffer said the display cards also violated La Bodega’s contract with Amex because the aim is to discourage the use of the charge card.

    Either Mr. Shaffer has no clue about what his employer actually does for a living – or else he is a professional and / or pathological liar. Inquiring minds want to know.

    While I was in the process of reading House of Cards in 1993 I asked a good friend who was the general manager of a chain of computer stores in Edmonton whether his stores accepted American Express and it was as if I had hit some kind of raw nerve. He immediately blurted out: “Those #$%&@’s want 6%!!! I don’t even make 6% on #$%^& computer hardware!!!” What he meant of course was that he could not afford to give a 6% price discount to customers who wished to pay with short-term revolving credit from American Express.

    And so we find that the problem is not in fact a question of IQ or inherent intelligence.

    The true flaw in the human character is gullibility.

    The great-grandfathers of the current entrenched-money-power accidentally discovered The Great-Stupid-Ray that causes the masses to genuinely believe whatever they are told, no matter how transparently absurd and ridiculous.

    Worldwide, this one lie costs us all in excess of the USD-equivalent of $1 trillion per year ($1,000,000,000,000) in concealed interest / credit charges on our “free loans”.

    And this is truly “the little stuff”. If they were told “the big stuff”, the masses would revolt before dawn tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. Travis says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Whites are not being culled so much as choosing not to reproduce or mating with non-whites. The European Y chromosomes will remain dominant in the United States , as it remains dominant among Latin Americans and African-Americans today.

    The dwindling number of whites in America is due to the low fertility of whites combined with the rise in mixed-raced couples. The majority of mixed raced couples in America today are White-Hispanic pairings followed by White-Asian mating. Both Hispanic Women and Asian females prefer white males, thus the white Y chromosomes will continue to dominate for many years to come.

    No culling of whites is required to reduce the number of whites in America. Whites have been choosing careers and education over having children for decades. Whites never had much ethnic solidarity and certainly most whites do not have any allegiance to fellow whites. This is why Whites are vanishing, too many have chosen to remain childless or have just one or two kids and many have chosen non-white mates.

    White elites males are more likely to marry Asians, while the white working class men are more likely to marry Hispanic. The future elites will be comprised of Jews, Asians, Whites and mixed-raced (White-Asian). In 50 years the only pure whites left will be the Amish and some hillbillies. But the majority of Americans males will still have the European Y chromosomes.

  96. or Provoke the “Disaster” of White Identity Politics

    So, Murray’s First Emotion is to shield Jewish Supremacism from White Liberation.

    “Oh master, please don’t treat whites so badly. They might rise up to be free and depose you. That would be a disaster.”

    Never mind the real disaster has been white submission to Jewish Identity Politics. But oh no, Jewish Identity is holy to Murray. Jews are deserving of identity… unlike inferior whites.

    His main worry is Jews may lose the servile loyalty of whites if they mistreat whites too much.

    Whites awakening and having pride is a ‘disaster’ for Murray.

    It’s like someone admonishing a slave-master not to end slavery but to perpetuate it. Gee, the slaves might revolt if they’re whipped too hard.

    Go easy with the whip if Jews want whites to be happy slaves ho-de-doing and shuffling before the Jewish Massuh. That’s Murray’s main worry. A cuck to the very end.

    • Agree: Bill
  97. Mind-numbing-the-eyes-glaze-over-jibber jabber about IQ test score psychometrics has 0 relevance to the number one issue facing the Native Born White American Working Class:WHITE GENOCIDE…

  98. Yet it was a 90% white America that passed the 1965 Immigration Act, the Great Society, Feminism, cultural Marxism, and all the other nonsense that spells doom for whites. Maybe whites aren’t that smart after all, or maybe they’re natural born cucks. Their will to self-destruction, at the behest of their (((masters))), is a symptom of a deep character flaw and an inability to think clearly even when their own self interest is at stake. Proof once again that IQ and wisdom aren’t the same thing.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  99. @Robert Dolan

    I’ve had a couple drinks & I’m inspired to make a confession.
    Bizarrely, as an Australian I really like American football — & my favourite player/position is the tight end. Gronk’, Kittle, love em’….ok, so enough of my self indulgence.

    • Replies: @Bill
  100. SafeNow says:

    The genetic truth of the Murray disparities will always be unsayables. The slavery-legacy fiction will always be the cover story. Money in increasing amounts will be thrown at this — the old formula of money as the price you pay for social peace. But this old formula will break down when the suburbs are destroyed. Fortress architecture and private security will be banned. Decent people will go North, and go rural, to minimize the harm. They will, however, keep their heads down, and not fight or separate. The reasons: Employment security, social security and federal health care, and fear of political imprisonment; in other words, too much to lose, personally. Whites and Asians will continue to do the work that only they can do.

    • Disagree: bayviking
  101. GayDad69 says:
    @Anon

    It’s only sad if you aren’t preparing yourself for the future.

    In the future, the only remaining White people will be those who have weaponized every aspect of their existence against our oppressors. This doesn’t mean violence, because in the distraction of a civil war china would be foolish not to nuke us.

    Instead you should sit and think about everything you believe, think, say, and do, and for each of them alter them to maximize benefit to you and yours (including more distant but harmless groups such as geographically distant whites and Japanese), while maximizing harm to all others.

    For instance, while in college I cheated on my girlfriend with every asian, hindu, and hispanic woman I could. My goal was to arouse lust for white men in them, to deny them to their men, while also cuckolding their men into raising my kids (and therefore not raising a pure member of their race) when they had boyfriends.

    When their moms, aunts, sisters, and cousins were around I flirted with them and had a few flings, one of which landed me a job that led to my current career. I have made these women favor White men with nothing but charisma and a good dicking.

    We can’t control the jews and chinks who control our government, and we can’t confront them directly, but we are not unarmed. Anything can be made into a weapon. Sex can be a weapon, as can lust, love, hypergamy, and baby making.

    We need to stop using the weapons and tactics that the enemy wants us to use, and instead use the ones the enemy uses against us: subversion, subterfuge, deception, betrayal, and scheming. They need us to be dumb and violent so they can manufacture consent for greater repression.

    If instead we use the subtle tools they use on us, then they lose because they can’t create defenses against them without also giving us the same defenses. Any moral justification against us breeding Jewish women can be used to protect our women. Anything they erect to stop White Subversives will also hit jewish and chink subversives.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  102. eah says:
    @Usura

    Ron Unz has also stated many times that white nationalism in the U.S. would be a disaster.

    Yes, I know — in fact I acknowledged that in another recent comment (link) — but to me it’s prima facie absurd to say or suggest that the US would not be just fine, and Whites a LOT better off, if the country had and maintained a white super majority, as it did throughout most of its history.

    But your point is also valid: if slow-walked racial extinction is the alternative, any amount of bloodshed becomes an acceptable cost to any rational strategist.

    I also touch on this in a recent comment (link) — I’ll excerpt part of it:

    The question for any people has been the same throughout history: rule or be ruled — and in recent times, especially over the last year, Whites are getting a good look at who will be, and who will be electing, their future rulers.

    It is naive and dangerous for Whites to assume Blacks in the US (or non-whites generally) are any better than the Blacks who robbed and murdered Whites while utterly ruining Rhodesia, and are now doing the same in South Africa.

    Today non-whites are being indoctrinated to believe that ‘whiteness’ is a societal problem, and that what Whites have is due to some unearned ‘privilege’, as well as the cruel exploitation of non-whites by an ‘institutionally racist’ system — make no mistake: concrete acts will follow this rhetoric as the population fraction of Whites shrinks and their political power erodes further …

    Note my remark about genetics, and remember: they’re not like us.

    Why should we take the risk? — it is suicidal for Whites to give up demographic and political control of their own countries — it’s also ridiculous to say that this is inevitable, the result of something akin to a natural process, or that there’s some kind of historical imperative that demands it — I guarantee you all of these non-whites who’ve come to the US would never allow people like themselves to become a minority back in their home countries — to them it would be unthinkable.

  103. Enthusiasts for IQ test score psychometrics believe themselves unbeatable in debate-which they are not. I’ll take mathematician-probability theorist Nassem Taleb any day of the week over Charles Murray in a public debate…And I’ll take Economist Glenn Lowry over Charles Murray in a debate over IQ test score psychometrics-any day of the week.

    My own view is that I don’t care about these debates…because these debates are 100 percent irrelevant to the post-1965 Demographic Race-Replacement issue.

    The only thing I will say is the IQ test score psychometric debate is ultimately boils down to an economic resource allocation issue…and it therefore has nothing to do with anything profound about understanding the human brain and human thinking…

    The nasty part of all this IQ test score jibber-jabber is that Murray…Bill Gates…and Mike Bloomberg see IQ Test Score science as a justification for ramping up Asian LEGAL Immigration which is a direct road to the nullification of The Native White Vote on Nov 3 2024…Nov 3 2028…Nov 3 2032…Nov 3 2038…

    • Replies: @Bill
  104. @Altai

    The only way you could sustain an establishment which accepted this would be in a society that was overwhelmingly white and self-confident (Or at least a lot less black than America is today) in a form of defacto white supremacy.

    Without a population change we would just go back to left-wing and “nice guy” conservative parties arguing that something has to be done about the resulting unequal outcomes. That is what libertarians don’t seem to get. The absence of government intervention wouldn’t somehow magically fix everything and keep the left away. The left would in fact capitalize on the results.

    I think this book is proof that Murray and the libertarian movement will never exit fantasy land. Is this really the best they have? The establishment needs to go ahead and accept race because of a new book with graphs? Before White people start acting in their best interest?

    HEY ESTABLISHMENT I FINISHED SOME NEW R PLOT LINES IN EXCEL

    YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND END AFFIRMATIVE ACTION NOW AND ROLL BACK THOSE INCOME TAXES

    K THANKS – PROFESSOR CHUCKY

  105. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    And “therefor”, what “we” “need” is- [everybody sing – all together now] :

    Mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, MO’ GUBMINT! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    “Everything government touches turns to crap” Ringo Starr

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Government doesn’t work” Harry Browne
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  106. @onebornfree

    Boy Murray sure brings in the Rand cult.

    Would you rather have surgery in “minimal government” Haiti or Big Government Sweden?

    Explain your choice using your own words and not by using feely-good quotes from other libertarians.

    Also explain why Haiti is not even close to surpassing the economy of the GDR of any decade including immediately after WW2.

    • Replies: @Wade Hampton
    , @onebornfree
  107. @Robert Dolan

    I see American Whites evolving into two distinct ethnic groups. I live in a big blue city but we frequently visit a very red area where we have lots of family and friends. The differences seem to grow every day. It’s a bizarro version of the English v the Québécois; we don’t speak the same language anymore.

    But I don’t see overt White identity politics yet. White awareness, maybe. Regardless, whatever leads to autonomy without violent conflict is a good thing. Since I’m (technically) a Jew, my new favorite saying is that “everyone should have what Israel has.” (And “open borders for Israel!” to troll other Jews). Humans are tribal. That can’t be changed, only managed. Good fences and all that.

    I’m a broken record here, but I know Jews and can tell you they’re smoking their own stash.

  108. @SMK

    IQ is somewhat like height: predominantly genetic but that doesn’t mean you can fairly compare developed v undeveloped countries. Mestizos are genetically shorter than Whites, but they gain several inches after a generation in the US and seem to top out at 5-8ish. Likewise, based on US Blacks, the ‘real/potential’ IQ of SSA Blacks in Africa is probably around 80, not 67-70.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  109. @MarcusAurelius

    Yet it was a 90% white America that passed the 1965 Immigration Act, the Great Society, Feminism, cultural Marxism, and all the other nonsense that spells doom for whites.

    White Americans never voted on a thing regarding immigration, and have voted the bastards in and out repeatedly over the last three decades in a futile attempt at change. Donald Trump knew exactly what to say to get elected, which shows how a good portion of whites feel. Take away the black, immigrant, and minority vote, and Trump did quite well both times.

    • Agree: Traddles
    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  110. Ray P says:
    @GayDad69

    This may not be the right place if one wants to recruit an army of Chads.

    • Replies: @GayDad69
  111. If numbers determine one’s intelligence or stupidity, than there needs to be a new numberless chart that clearly illustrates the rapidly declining state of leadership around the world.
    Take for example the Illegitimate retard occupying the highest seat in the land here in America, or the idiots at DOJ/FBI/NSA/NIH/CIA/Mi6/Mossad/ ad nausea and the Global Homo IDF who runs them. What we have here is a complete failure of the highest order. Common sense will tell you that these despicable dumb SOB’s couldn’t produce a pissup in a brewery.
    We have been led astray by the lowest human scum to have ever walked the earth. All they know is how to steal your shit by taxing you till death, and endless wars where elites play Soldiers of Fortune using expensive weapons against the people they gave oath to protect, and shoving stupidity down our throats via critical race and gender theory via leftists indoctrination.
    These crazy POS are the reason and cause of everything wrong in global society.
    The faster we push these monsters back to the scorched fires of hell, the sooner we can begin to heal as a human race, where culture is preserved and being white is ok.
    Until them IQ scores are nothing more than dots on a pair of dice.

  112. Many years ago, when I was a schoolboy growing up amongst my fellow students, we never thought of ourselves as white people. That was obvious. Instead, we considered ourselves Irish-American, German American, or maybe Irish and German on our mothers side and Polish and Czech on our fathers side or some variation of the above. Now, the left is forging this polyglot group of various ethnic groups into a singular identity called white people. The Marxists on the left believe that society can only progress through conflict. So they will keep pushing white people until they answer racial violence against them with equal violence. The traditional Christian oriented right of course is trying to stop this. Hence the constant desire to try to reach some sort of accommodation with the left. The left, of course, has absolutely no interest in this as it desires violent conflict. Add in the business class, who call conflict competition, which they desire, and you get the perfect storm we’re seeing now.

    Mike

  113. Frank AMS says:

    Zijn Joden Wit ? (Are Jews White ?). Is the title of a temporary exhibit in the Jewish Historical Museum of Amsterdam. Here is a link in Dutch ( https://jck.nl/nl/tentoonstelling/zijn-joden-wit ). I accidentaly came across a large poster advertising this on a square in Amsterdam. This question in large black letters on a white background in a public space completely surprised me. It appears that the local Jewish community is getting a little worried about the anti-whitism that so many of them have so enthusiastically supported. Of course, since white is bad and Jews are good, their answer to this question is no.

  114. I dont hate other races but I love my own and wish to see it survive. That wont happen until we actually do start being as tribal as other races. The “disaster” that could result is we turn into the monsters they accuse us of being now., but I would rather become a monster and give them a real reason to hate me than become enslaved or extinct. It boils down to survival. We either continue laying down and watch our people systematically dispossessed and killed off or we man up and start treating everyone else the way we’re letting them treat us until they all learn to fear us again. We’ve become weak and nature will always punish weakness.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  115. frontier says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I’ve made the jump to White identitarianism

    There will probably have to be a mass culling of whites in North America and western Europe before white identitarism has any mass appeal

    How are you not a troll? You jump into something knowing it’s going to fail unless a “mass culling” ensues… Useful idiot Hitler thought the same! The bolsheviks too, did the same to make their ideology prevail. The simple truth is that after another “mass culling” there will be no whites left, not in numbers sufficient to protect themselves from external attacks. Nazi’s are the most damaging anti-white cretins out there, because they do their evil from the position of “concerned friends”.

    • Replies: @gkruz
  116. White man says:

    “Where does this individualistic mindset come from? Murray attributes it to the American Founders, who enshrined as in “The American Creed.” He might have profited by considering Kevin MacDonald’s argument that northern Europeans (such as our Founders) are the product of an unusual evolutionary environment in which the ability to cooperate with non-kin, including the careful maintenance of a personal reputation for fair dealing with them, was of greater importance than kinship bonds. This is inherently more plausible than seeing American individualism as the invention of a group of Enlightenment-era political savants.

    One powerful reason to suspect our individualism and tendency to de-emphasize race and kinship has deeper roots is the slowness of American whites to adopt racial identity politics for themselves. Murray approves of such reluctance. He may not like minority racial politics, yet his principal fear appears to be that Whites may begin to develop something similar.”

    I don’t buy this crap at all. Europeans, particularly within their own European ethnicity, used to be very ethnocentric. You only need to look at the beliefs of US WW2 soldiers only 80 years ago (basically, they’d be considered overt white supremacists today) & the founding fathers themselves declaring that only “free white persons” could become citizens of the USA.

    The whole individualism relating to our group consciousness is something that has only taken hold in us over the last few decades through a combination of our enemies, who see us as a threat & are intent on destroying us, & our own comfort/dominance, which has resulted in the loss of our own threat perception. Like a bird species that gradually loses its ability to fly over generations when living in an environment with a lack of predators, except it has happened to us on a subconscious level. And now that the comfort is starting to dissipate, it’s no surprise that you’re seeing a resurgence in white/European identity.

  117. As Priss mentioned, and KMAC has discussed….talmudic philosophy is anti-science because the silly small hats actually believe that truth is whatever consensus is held by their loony tribe.

    They mistakenly believe that they can DECREE truth….that truth can be minted by their psychotic group.

    Marx and Trotsky…..Freud, Boas, Adorno, Horkheimer, Marcuse, Gould…..Wolfowitz and Perle…..Schumer, Schiff, Garland….liars all.

    So, with nosy liars running the show we are informed that:
    Trump “colluded with Russia.” (And paid hookers to piss on him)
    BLM and Antifa are “peaceful.”
    Joe Biden got the most votes in history and there was no fraud.
    George Floyd was a hero.
    Evil white supreeeeeemists invaded DC on Jan.6th and tried to overthrow the govt.
    Whites are born evil and seek to kill everybody.

    In addition those nice jews inform us that:
    The check is in the mail, and…
    I won’t come in your mouth.

  118. Bill says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You’ve certainly never seriously commented on it. Philosemites are incapable of seriously commenting on it since they have nothing but obvious falsehoods and threats to offer.

  119. @Stan d Mute

    Sadly, for the majority of my life, I at least pretended to want to be an “elite” (perhaps scratching at such momentarily).

    Same. I read somewhere of a term called the “emotional” or “psychological” elite. Basically, this comprises all the elite aspirants: many people in the upper middle class, “journalists”, think-tankers, etc. These people are not part of the elite– as evidenced by the fact that they need to work– but because they are under the delusion that they can join one day, they remain faithful to the system. Most of the people with whom I attended college have never left this track and are ideologically blinded for it.

    I eventually freed myself from my previous bout of status anxiety because of two things:

    1) Trump winning made it obvious that a majority of the population diverged from elite opinion. Prior to 2016, I imagined a single linear hierarchy with the “elites” at the top and everyone else below in descending order– to the extent there was ideological differences, it was because the “lowers” were simply ignorant to what their “betters” were trying to do. Political correctness makes it almost impossible to know what other people are thinking, but voting reveals everything.

    2) People outside the upper middle class don’t really care about status. The true upper class has it in abundance– they control its production– and the actual middle class just wants to live decently. So, if you can find a way in which you can sustainable socialize with non UMC strivers, you win the game. For me, this has involved talking to non-Americans. If you can speak a foreign language, you no longer to communicate with people with ideological constraints.

    • Replies: @Bill
  120. @OilcanFloyd

    That is where we disagree, white people have voted on these things and I support them. I don’t support them but a large number of white people do.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  121. Mehen says:

    I just wanted to say Priss Factor is on FIRE today. Really knocking it out of the park.

    Priss, your first comment was a tour de force. Our minds are on the same track.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  122. @epochehusserl

    When did whites ever vote on immigration? There has never been any sort of vote on immigration. How many shake-ups have happened since the Reagan and Gingrich back-stabbings? People voted Republican for a reason, and the party mislead or lied every single time. I’ve seen the difference in turnout for obvious frauds like McCain and Romney, and a less obvious fraud like Trump, who spoke about sending people home, affirming our culture and language, and ending birthright citizenship. It’s obvious what most whites want, and it’s obvious that nobody within tsystem tem will represent them.

    How many times did traitors like Boehner, G.W. Bush and Paul Ryan float amnesty proposals, only to be forced to back down by grassroots outrage? That was a common occurrence. Demographic replacement is not what whites have asked for or deserve.

  123. @Bardon Kaldian

    Jews?

    American elites are more than 80% Gentile whites. Be it among moneyed classes, the military, politicians, business people, media personalities, public intellectuals, intelligence agencies, bankers etc.

    That’s not how power works. When British ruled India and Hong Kong, they had many local managers, businessmen, and bureaucrats working for them. But the Brits held the power.

    Most people in halls of power don’t make the policy. They just carry them out. When US invaded Iraq, did most generals have a choice? No, it was decided on war, and the generals just carried it out. Few make the big decisions, and the rest exist to execute them.

    Most people in the FBI and CIA just follow orders. They are no different from men who worked in the Soviet or Nazi system. They do as told. Sure, they make recommendations, and some of them do leak to the press on occasion, but then, what’s the point when the press is also controlled by Jewish oligarchs who are in cahoots with the Deep State. Elite folks are mostly company men. People like James Comey have no sense of individual conscience or agency. They look over their shoulders and follow orders.
    Indeed, the system is geared to find and favor the flunkies for promotion. Mavericks and individualists are weeded out. Same in the media. Whatever one thinks of Chris Hedges, he sometimes spoke out against the real power. So, he was exiled from MSM and got a gig with RT.
    Jews are at the top and they pick and choose the kind of people who make the best dogs and flunkies.

    It’s like Hollywood. There are these stars and famous people, but they are really flunkies of the moguls with the real power. Stars come and go, but Jewish moguls always control Hollywood.

    But Jews don’t merely have money power but ‘spiritual’ power. They control the gods or whatever is deemed holy and sacred in society. Jews used power of media, academia, and entertainment to elevate themselves as holy holocaust Jews, blacks as noble negroes, and homos as rainbow angels. Jews use their immense money power to buy politicians and to coerce businessmen. Jews use their media power to blackmail and destroy reputations. And as Jews control the gods, they decide what is acceptable and unacceptable. Elon Musk and Warren Buffett are super-rich but they don’t control the gods. Now, what would happen if either stuck up for white pride and white identity? They would be non-personed, their business partners would abandon them, their finances would be shut down, the media would hound them, and etc. It’s like what the newspaper tycoon learns in THE FOUNTAINHEAD. He got the money, but Toohey gained control of the gods that can sway both elite and mass opinion. Even in a depraved society, people like to believe in values higher than money, and so, those who control the gods control the hearts and minds.

    You seem think position and money = power. Sure, to an extent, that’s true. But there is power even beyond that. In traditional Europe, even the richest man risked losing everything if he badmouthed God and Jesus. Today, the new gods are Jews, blacks, and homos. Even the richest man risks losing everything if he blasphemes against Jews and their black and homo allies. Jews rigged it this way.

    Also, not everyone in position of power has the vision thing or sense of direction/destiny. Why did Hitler dominate others? He had the force of personality, the vision thing. Jews have the force of personality but most groups in the upper echelons don’t. They are mainly into money and privilege without any powerful sense of the future. In the coming years, there will be more Asian in elite circles, but they are colorless and weak of personality. Asian way is to serve the boss, not be the boss. Whites used to like being the boss but that was under glorious race-ism. But whites lost race-ism and are without direction and, as a result, look to Jews to lead the way.

    How did the US military bend over to tranny nuttery and anti-white lunacy? It’s been traditionally dominated by white conservative men? Because military men got guns but no brains. They don’t control the policy or the gods. They are positions of power but to take orders than to formulate destiny.

    Trump was kicked in the ass, gouged in the eyes, pounded in the face, bitten in the ears, cut up in the nose, punched in the gut, mouse-trapped in his dick, and had a poker shoved up his ass by the Jews, but what were his words to Jews after all that? “Can I suck your dick?”

    What does that tell you?

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Thanks: G J T
  124. @Realist

    I was being somewhat facetious about Polk County, but Iowans have always had a form of county loyalty. Farmers who would permit people with Jasper or Poweshiek County plates on their cars to hunt, but would refuse if they saw Polk County plates. Polk County was and is the most populous county in Iowa, as well as the home of the state capital, so that causes a bit of resentment. That said, Polk County and Des Moines are fairly well governed and booming, especially in the suburbs, like Altoona, Ankeny and West Des Moines (all separately governed from the City of Des Moines). West Des Moines even extends into Dallas County!

    The truly insane county is Johnson County, home to Iowa City and the University of Iowa. The board of supervisors recently “rededicated” the county’s name from a vice-president to an obscure Negress who received a PhD from the U of I in the 1940s. Woke is alive and well in the Hawkeye state.

    • Replies: @Realist
  125. @Stan d Mute

    Very insightful post! A lot of people (specifically including me) had aspirations to join the elite and perhaps saw “inside the tent” briefly, but now we realize it was all an illusion and the real elite just used us and hates us now: the emptiness to which you refer.

  126. SmartWhites have no choice but to push hard for accelerationist policies that speed the collapse of the throughly corrupt American kleptocracy. Boycott and withdraw skills, capital and relationships to nonwhites and associate exclusively with only fellow SmartWhites.

    South African whites learned this lesson too late. They actually believed once they handed their country over to black gangsters all sins of apartheid would be absolved. The 4m remaining whites in SA are soon to be driven into the sea and while sinking beneath the waves shouting “but we aren’t racist!”

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  127. @Freedomstillisntfree

    I think it is pretty obvious that being nice only leads to the left clamoring for the end of Whites. What choice does the left have? Since they can’t face reality their only choice is to blame Whites.

    Every path leads to the same outcome:

    1) White people are nice and try to pretend race doesn’t exist: Inequality still exists so White racism must be to blame. Whites should be eliminated as a group.

    2) White people are honest about race and work as a group like other races: Whites cause inequality by working together and must be eliminated as a group.

    What exactly is the point of path #1 if the outcome is the same?

    What exactly is the disaster that Murray speaks of?

    Disaster implies that the status quo is a success. Why is he writing a book calling for drastic changes then?

    Multi-racial America works so well that he wants the elites to face reality less Whites find out about the noble lie and take matters into their own hands. Is that right Murray? Maybe he can explain how racial awareness would be a disaster in light of billions spent over 50 years of trying to pretend that race doesn’t exist and the best explanation liberals have for continued patterns of inequality is WHITES BE RACISS.

  128. Anon[147] • Disclaimer says:

    Everyone is making it too complicated. All of our woes are because of the Jew. They have seized the levers of power in this country and have shaped it to their liking. They fear TRUTH. They fear the masses being educated about their inbred race. They hide inside the “White” race but they are not us. They are the ones feeding on us.

    [MORE]

    Jews own 98% of our Media.
    Americans watch 4 1/2 hours of TV every night.
    Propaganda Works
    Jews invented Marxism, Bolshevism, Communism and now Zioinism.
    Jews created the No-Fault Divorce Laws of the 70s. Atomizing the nuclear family.
    A Jew created the sexual revolution of the 60s. https://nationalvanguard.org/2018/11/jewish-merchants-of-sin-and-porn-part-6-wilhelm-reich-and-the-sexual-revolution/
    Jews were behind all three Feminist Movements.
    Jews invented Multi-Culturism opening our borders in the 1960s.
    Jewish Sigmund Freud perverted Psychology for decades.
    Jews created and now run the Porn Industry (The same as they did to Germany in the 1930s) -absolutely demoralizing our country — destroying respect, honor, decency, and family relations.
    40-50% of all Harvard admittees are Jewish. Not because they are smarter. Because they are TRIBAL.
    If Jew Albert Einstein was alive today, he would be imprisoned for horrendous theft. For he STOLE (Plagiarized) almost all of his supposed discoveries. He was a fraud and a thief. Yet he is worshipped today by all Jew Media.
    Jews started WWI and WWII.
    Jews assassinated Czar Alexander II
    Jews slaughtered the entire Romanov Imperial family (millions of Christian Russians to follow).
    Jews Murdered 66 Million ethnic Christian Russians.
    Jews Ran the Russian Gulag system.
    Jews Ran the Russian Cheka.
    Jews (Samual Untemyer and Cyrus I. Scofield) funded, created, and maintain the the Scofield bible Addendum – Creating the Christian Zionist Movement in America. Literally Hijacking Christianity.
    Jews kidnapped and Murdered Charle’s Lindbergh’s infant son.
    Jews assassinated John F. Kennedy.
    Jews assassinated Bobby Kennedy (framing 24-year-old Palestinian boy, Sirhan Sirhan)
    Jews have assassinated 8 US Presidents and 4 Russian Zars.
    Jews did 9/11
    Jews did the USS Liberty
    Jewish Communist stole US Nuclear Bomb and gave it to Russia
    Jews have completely re-written WWI and WWII History…forever hiding their direct roles in creating both of these wars.
    Jews have created, out of thin air, the Holocaust Industry….
    a massive LIE enslaving all of humanity.
    Jewish AIPAC controls our congress and selects our next President.
    Jewish Media (Google, Facebook, Youtube…) subvert and silence.
    Jewish Media (Fox, CNN, CBS…) continues to gaslight all of America after stealing our vote.

    America’s Decline is due solely to the JEW. They are Tribal and work in unison. They have an agenda for world domination. What they have done to America, they have done to every developed country on this earth. The White European stock is the only people on earth they fear. They kill without thinking twice about it. For we are not Jewish. “We are insects or beast walking on two legs”. Keep it simple. Of all the ills rotting this country from the inside out, it is our blind ignorance of the Jewish Threat that will ultimately be our demise. For if you cannot name your enemy, you will never fight your enemy. Henry Ford among many others tried to warn us.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  129. @Anonymous Jew

    Mestizos are genetically shorter than Whites, but they gain several inches after a generation in the US and seem to top out at 5-8ish. Likewise, based on US Blacks, the ‘real/potential’ IQ of SSA Blacks in Africa is probably around 80, not 67-70.

    Which would still cause massive problems for globalists and egalitarians that operate on the assumption that race is only skin color and inequality is caused by racist Whites.

    A shortened height curve really doesn’t change an economy.

    If the intelligence curve is correct then this would have huge implications for development. If third world countries are not victims of colonialism and in fact have limited human capital then the West is actually making it worse through brain drain. In fact this would be much more complicated than a mean since that doesn’t tell us anything about distribution which would also impact economic development.

    But liberals and Christians in the West have decided THIS MUST NOT BE TRUE which is why we can only talk about it on the dark ends of the internet.

    The only hope for countries like Haiti and Liberia may in fact be the looming awareness disaster that Murray seems to fear. If Whites admit that race exists then egalitarians would have to re-focus their efforts on practical solutions. Right now they are just dumping funds into these countries under the assumption that Bad White juju just needs to wear off.

    Of course the left and many Christians fear that honesty about race would lead to apathy but I don’t think that is the case. Too many Whites are hopelessly egalitarian and would simply adjust to the new (and correct) reality.

  130. @Johnny Hooker

    South African whites learned this lesson too late. They actually believed once they handed their country over to black gangsters all sins of apartheid would be absolved.

    That actually isn’t true. The majority never supported handing it over. It is a myth that SA Whites wanted Black rule.

    Handing the country to the ANC was an executive action by a lying White globalist and the government/military went along with it.

    Both South African and American Whites were never given a vote on major racial decisions. They have all been through courts or by legislative/executive action.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  131. If you vote for a welfare state, a system that rewards family breakup and mass immigration then you have voted for demographic change whether you acknowledge it or not.

  132. Bill says:
    @Cho Seung-Hui

    Same. I read somewhere of a term called the “emotional” or “psychological” elite. Basically, this comprises all the elite aspirants: many people in the upper middle class, “journalists”, think-tankers, etc. These people are not part of the elite– as evidenced by the fact that they need to work– but because they are under the delusion that they can join one day, they remain faithful to the system. Most of the people with whom I attended college have never left this track and are ideologically blinded for it.

    I think “servants” is the right word. “Upper servants” if you want to be more specific. In shows like _Upstairs Downstairs_ or its sad echo _Downton Abbey_, the head butler is the most interesting character (at least among the upper servant class you are describing). This guy basically has to admire his master in order to do his job properly, and he has to think of himself as an “almost elite,” zealously defending the system which supports his master.

    However, these guys don’t see themselves as upwardly mobile into the elite. They are just servants. But they think they somehow bask in an elite glow by serving the elite especially well. The teachers in my kids’ public schools don’t think they are about to accede to the elite. They think that by serving the elite very assiduously, they get to bask in the reflected glow and are better than those of us who don’t so assiduously serve.

    • Replies: @Cho Seung-Hui
  133. @John Johnson

    It wasn’t lying “white globalists” that wrecked South Africa.

    It was lying fellow white globalists that wrecked SA.

    You’re right that our people never voted for ANY of the nation wrecking policies that have been done by activist courts and boneheaded shabbos goy executives.

    Boomers get blamed for this crap….but as Ann Coulter says, “We never voted to become mexico.”

  134. @Lee

    Because most people think emotionally and virtually none are smart enough to secede. They have been domesticated by government.

    Nothing else need be said.

  135. @Mehen

    I agree….Priss is a BEAST. He should be writing books and getting paid.

    • Agree: Mehen
  136. Murry does a great job with the stats but he can never draw the right conclusions.

    He’s a Libertarian and consequently deluded by a view of Homosapian nature that bears no resemblance to the inherently tribal and competitive reality of our species.

    • Replies: @Drapetomaniac
  137. Charles Murray’s FACING REALITY: Ruling Class Must Accept Race Differences—or Provoke the “Disaster” of White Identity Politics

    Excellent title for this article. It has Ruling Class and Race Differences and White Identity Politics. The coward scum politicians in the Republican Party will not advance and defend the interests of Whites as Whites and the Republican Party voters are fine people but the GOP donors and the GOP politicians are treasonous rancid scumbags

    Biden and Harris and Garland are evil and treasonous scum who have allowed Black criminals to run rampant in the USA. Biden and Harris and Garland have all gone to great lengths to live in mostly White areas and Biden and Harris and Garland have gone out of their way to avoid having to live around Blacks.

    Joe Biden and Merrick Garland and Kamala Harris must be arrested for aiding and abetting the illegal alien invader invasion of the United States of America and for harboring illegal alien invaders. Biden and Harris and Garland must be arrested and then they must be given a trial and when they are found guilty they must be imprisoned.

    Blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime in the USA.

    Jews have a disproportionate amount of power in the mass media.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA WILL FIGHT FOR FREE SPEECH

    WHITE CORE AMERICAN FREE SPEECH ARMY IS ON THE WAY

    WHITE IDENTITY POLITICS IS THE WAY TO GO

    GOD BLESS THE USA AND TO HELL WITH SHYSTER SCUM BIDEN, HARRIS AND GARLAND

  138. Panadechi says:

    The question is: How can the white boy get off the bus?..

  139. Bill says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Um. Taleb is not a mathematician, makes embarrassing mistakes when he tries to fake it, and does poorly in debates, at least if the audience is competent in the subject being debated. Similarly, Glenn Loury is a coke fiend, affirmative action case. He is (almost) the Economics equivalent of Neil DeGrasse Tyson. They differ in that Tyson isn’t a coke fiend (AFAIK) and Loury, unlike Tyson, has actually done competent if unremarkable work in his field.

    I agree that these debates are a side issue and that IQ fetishists are frequently annoying, but Taleb and Loury are wrong while the IQ fetishists are right on the particular subject under discussion.

  140. @Realist

    I have not yet read the book (but soon will), so I am a bit reluctant here. I get the impression, Mr. Murray thinks that if certain false assumptions about the fundament of the societal tensions would be better understood that then, lots of quite important things could improve in a nonmarginal way.
    I do get the impression, that he thinks that he has important keys to unlock a better future in his hands.

  141. @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Moderator – all right. Look at the libertarian and the conservative side. That makes for interesting perspectives and ideas. True.
    There is a ritual side to the civil rights idea – especially to its societal practice. True too.
    Is there a lack of state consciousness in Texas and Florida etc. ? – Maybe?
    Lately, I get the impression, that this regional consciousness would be on the rise. Ron Desantis is very self-conscious as a – is that even the right word: Floridian Governor with regard to Co-19. But this might have been only the beginning. Then came the internet regulations. – Same in Texas. That’s two prospering and rather big states… Floria is ca. Austria, Switzerland, and Denmark combined…

    So there are things moving that can’t be ridiculed.
    I’d say the same is going on with regard to the universities and the media power. The internet did change a lot. Smallish initiatives like the Heterodox Society and the Free Speech Union in GB and – Peak Stupidity and – – – you know what I mean, don’t you: Jordan Peterson, The Unz Review, Locals, Dave Rubin… did do a lot of good already.

    Will that last?

    I have no idea.

    Will this voter fraud thing strengthen the autonomy on the level of the different states?
    I do hope it will
    At times I don’t quite get that this theme is not bigger (much bigger) not least here on the UNZ Review.
    The Gateway Pundit and Steve Bannon are doing alright. Tucker Carlson? But except for that? I can see that Trump was a big disappointment, but then there is still the fraudulent election – and the idea that this might go on is maybe the one theme that should bother a few more people, I’d hold.

    Last thought: Could it be, that Murray’s insights shed new light on immigration too?

    These are just fractions. I know.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  142. Bill says:
    @Altai

    Yup. You can’t have race blindness unless the races are pretty much the same. Why libertarians can’t figure this out is a mystery (and they can’t figure it out: you’re wrong there). Cops are going to notice black crime. Teachers (and bosses) are going to notice black stupidity, laziness, and violence. They are going to act on the things they notice unless there is a system of repression to stop them. What we have, right now, is one logical development of attempting race blindness when the races are not similar enough.

    Rhodesia is the other. Rhodesia was nominally race blind at first. It wasn’t de facto race blind because that is absurd, and eventually it evolved into nominal discrimination as well.

    It’s easy to imagine the problems. John is at a neighborhood cook-out in Raceblindburg and the scion of the only black family in his neighborhood ambles over. “Hey, John, why do you think there are almost no black fambilies in this or any other middle class neighborhood?” John, smiling, replies “Well, Cletus, you blacks are mostly stupid, lazy, and violent. Nothing anyone can do about it. It’s your defective genes, don’t you know. That’s also why I won’t let my daughters anywhere near your son and why your neighbors watch so carefully when you cross into their yards to retrieve a lost ball. Another hot dog?”

  143. Bill says:
    @Verymuchalive

    It’s always been like that. Even back in the nineties, if you went to a Libertarian function, there were two kinds of people: the mentally ill and the employees (of think tanks, universities, Reason mag, the political party, etc). Every once in a while you would meet a naive, retired dentist who wanted his taxes lowered. The only real exception to this was in the libertarian-adjacent gun rights movement where you could find lots of more or less normal people.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  144. @WorkingClass

    Best, most succinct comment.

    Get a brain that works, grow a spine, and stop being an abused housewife.

    • Replies: @Goddard
  145. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Is this where you tell us you wish the Saxon would rise up to hate again?

  146. Bill says:
    @SMK

    How can the average IQ of “blacks” or “Africans” in the US be 85 much less 91 when the average IQ of negros in Haiti and sub-Saharnn Africa is 67-70 if Lance Welton is right to claim that IQ is 80% genetic and 20% environmental?

    This is the collateral damage of twin studies. That 80%/20% doesn’t mean what you think it does. The stated facts are perfectly consonant with one another.

  147. @Dr ExCathedra

    “He’s a Libertarian”

    Hardly. So how does vowing not to use force, fraud, aggression, or trespass to achieve any social or political goal square with his beliefs?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  148. @Bill

    Taleb wrote his phd thesis under a world renown probability theorist…

    But you miss my more fundamental point:there are mathematical competent people out there on the other side who can wipe the floor up with Murray in a debate in whatever format…

    Way more fundamental point: Are the Native Born White Male Victims of the H1 B….L1B Visa Programs suppppsed to master the finer points of IQ test score Psychometrics and then debate their Chinese and Hindu H1B….L1-B replacements?

    • Replies: @Bill
  149. GayDad69 says:
    @Ray P

    There’s no need to recruit, individual subversive action is sufficient and resistant to being co-opted.

    There is no need for chads when the average chink/jew/beaner man is a 4/10 and the average nigger man is a down low faggot.

  150. Dr. Doom says:

    The Jewish Century is over now. (1913-2016)
    Whites will fight for their rights or everyone will be enslaved by capital.

    Its an existential threat to White people. They must destroy the tribe of amelek evil.
    It only a question of the breaking point. The dam will burst soon.

    The World will shake when Whites begin to see themselves as a group.
    The differences of the past will disappear as the existential threat to them all exists.

    The Jews have inadvertently created a situation that all Whites must now cooperate.
    Its in their best interest and necessary for survival.

    It could have all been according to some Master Plan.
    But then, who could have such a long term memory and goal?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  151. @Francis Miville

    Islam could never be a good religion for the white man because it’s submissive nature is anathema to the free-thinking nature of the European man. Your assertion that it is a racist religion that will keep the genes pure is simply not true. The Muslims are some of the most racially-mixed populations in the world. The population of Egypt and north Africa is a perfect example of this, with it’s strong negro component today. In the time of the Romans North Africa was much different, much whiter. Your last statement that the big problem with whites is that they haven’t “reverted” to Islam. Other than in the Balkans and parts of Spain, there have never been any large numbers of whites that have been Muslim so this is a false statement. The Muslim religion will always be a religion that appeals to low IQ people.

    • Replies: @Knucklehead
  152. Realist says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    I was being somewhat facetious about Polk County, but Iowans have always had a form of county loyalty. Farmers who would permit people with Jasper or Poweshiek County plates on their cars to hunt, but would refuse if they saw Polk County plates.

    Okay, I see what you mean now. I lived in Des Moines for 27 years and as a teenager and young man, my friends and I would hunt pheasant, quail, rabbit, and squirrel. And occasionally we would run into the situation you describe.

    The truly insane county is Johnson County, home to Iowa City and the University of Iowa. The board of supervisors recently “rededicated” the county’s name from a vice-president to an obscure Negress who received a PhD from the U of I in the 1940s. Woke is alive and well in the Hawkeye state

    I do follow what is happening in Iowa and I totally agree with your comment about Iowa City and the University of Iowa. That is definitely the most woke area of Iowa. I attribute that situation to the presence of students and faculty from Illinois at the University.

    It seems that the rest of the state is trying to maintain its sanity.

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  154. Goddard says:
    @Drapetomaniac

    Walk away from Sportsball. Cut the cable and trash the television. Read the classics. Buy the complete 11-volume Story of Civilization by Will Durant. Immerse yourself in this work. Cut the junk food, lose weight, and get fit. Live below your means. Achieve financial independence. Study philosophy and achieve spiritual independence. As society crumbles, view the chaos with a certain level of detachment, sub specie aeternitatis.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  155. @Drapetomaniac

    “He’s a Libertarian”

    Hardly. So how does vowing not to use force, fraud, aggression, or trespass to achieve any social or political goal square with his beliefs?

    He openly describes himself as a libertarian and his plans are minimal government based whereby everyone just accepts race and then goes back to work. Hilarious stuff.

    As if the typical leftist would read his book and say Well it seems that race exists so I guess I’ll go find a new hobby. Thanks Charles for pointing me in the right direction. I was wrong to try and blame Whites for everything. Sorry guys.

    The leftist that would actually read his book already knows that race exists. Duh.

    Murray doesn’t seem to get that the establishment is lying. He thinks they just need the right powerpoint presentation.

    He deserves Naive Libertarian of the year award.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  156. @Ray Caruso

    You’ve got it right. America has not been highjacked by world Jewry. It was born out of a collective Satanic Pact and Faustian Bargain with Benjamin Franklin in the role of Mephisto and the world Jewry was called for the due ritual celebration of the pact they alone have the cosmic power to celebrate. 1776 was chosen for its very accurate numerological value to that effect. Contrary to what so many White nostalgics go on whining about, the Jews were as influent right from the start as to the foundation of the US as at the beginning of the 6 November revolution in Petrograd, as even more numerous in percentage than in today’s US (3% at least) with the difference they were then concentrated in the Southern Plantation states (the most open to international commerce, the most modern by then’s standards, and the most comfortable for intellectuals before the invention of central heating) and SEPHARDIC : they just hushed and hid as they happened to be on the wrong side of the Civil War (which was the best thing to do for their financial activities : pretending they had had lost while they conquered) and pretended they had not really been there before the coming of the Ashkenazi Jews from Eastern Europe during the Gilded Age.

    They sponsored and ritually celebrated the birth of the American Experiment. Has it ever occurred to anyone that God does not create beings and nation by way of scientific experimentation, and that it is a polite name for temptation? The reason why today’s Whites are at such pains is first and foremost that the money promised (the highest standard of living on earth) in exchange for all Americans’ souls has been duly paid and spent while the Manifest Destiny was unfolding, as promised : the Manifest Destiny has now unfolded, the dirty job is done (destroying the Christian civilisation on the whole planet, rebuilding Israel by stages) now has come the time to pay back in hellfire.

    The Whites that whine today about the highjacking of America are not True Americans actually, but European humanists as shaped and purposely degenerated by the education system to neuter the final Yankee generations : the real Yankees were Hell’s Angels essentially and those Whites who still behave by the Hell’s Angels system of values still partake of the American Dream together with the Jews and their rainbow coalition. Real Yankees given the present situation would make deals with Floyd like delinquents to kill off all White degenerates who have moral scruples, like the ones who conquered the West made deals with the worst of the Amerindians and killed all romantic artists and poets on sight. America is not decadent Rome. It is Carthage, and the problem with Carthage was not any kind of decadence but its very health and prosperity as it was based on ritual child sacrifice. America is too wicked to consent to decadence like Venice did at the end of its imperial dominance and grow mellow enough to become a gently crumbling artistic city instead. The only kind of end America can have and will have must be a big bang into instant nothingness like was due to Carthage.

    Crying for the late great White US to be saved, or praying for Trump to come back in power as a kind of new Cyrus, is a mortal sin : the US Whites are a model of planned biological degeneracy for the European peoples that would have better abstained from breeding, and even though Trump is not a professional politician the only reason why he has been president is because Netanyahu imposed him like an even worse colonial governor just to tell the regular American elites that they are no longer in charge as the manifest destiny is coming to a happy end for the makers of all American films.

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
  157. @John Johnson

    I’m not a libertarian of any stripe, Randian or otherwise, but it isn’t fair to use Haiti as an example of the negatives of minimal government. Haiti is a wasteland because the blacks murdered essentially all the whites in their glorious revolution of 1791-1804. Haiti is a wasteland because it is 95% black.

    An ethnostate can be good or bad, depending on the ethnic group.

    Switzerland might be a better example of the benefits of a smaller government. The Swiss modeled their constitution on the U.S. one and unlike us they actually use the darn thing. Much of governmental power is delegated to the cantons. Things work better there.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  158. JackOH says:
    @Stan d Mute

    It really is all about the goodwhites vs the badwhites. Sadly, for the majority of my life, I at least pretended to want to be an “elite” (perhaps scratching at such momentarily). When you absorb the magnitude of how badly the real elite have been fucking us, and for how long, you’re filled with an emptiness. None of the shit you’ve been taught had any purpose other than enriching the same fucktards who now label you an evil “racist” by virtue of your birth and ability to discern reality.

    Brilliant comment, Stan. I’ll guess we have plenty of commenters here, myself among them, who mistakenly believed themselves to be among the elite (or “elite”, the sneer quotes are pretty appropriate). The wake-up call, moment of truth, eye-opener, aha or eureka moment, or call it what you will that tells you you’ve been fucked can be wrenching.

    (FWIW-I worked my way out of a shit secondary school to a selective university, then very selective grad school, and probably thought myself the lead in my own Horatio Alger story. I was a goddamned fool.)

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  159. @Bill

    It’s always been like that. Even back in the nineties, if you went to a Libertarian function, there were two kinds of people: the mentally ill and the employees (of think tanks, universities, Reason mag, the political party, etc). Every once in a while you would meet a naive, retired dentist who wanted his taxes lowered.

    I assume that at least half of them online are really just liberals at heart but know that liberalism falls apart to critical thinking when the debate is uncontrolled.

    Libertarianism in many ways functions as a mass distraction from race.

    You are expected to rally around Freedumb(tm) and not think critically about what makes a country or culture.

    In many ways it is a mental drop out like hippiedom. Instead of actually arguing a position the libertarian will appeal to a lofty principle which is what we have seen in this thread. They avoid specifics and just use feely-good quotes from Rand or Rothbard. So they pretty much quote Jewish intellectuals most of the time instead of actually debating the role of government. It’s a cowardly and dishonest framework that falls apart rather quickly when race is discussed. Amusingly Rand denied race but once said that if it does exists then we should pretend it doesn’t. These people actually call themselves objectivists.

  160. Bill says:
    @animalogic

    I’ve had more drinks than you, plus I have sunburn and road rash. I recommend you spend a lot of time with the “University of Woolamaloo Philosophy Department sketch” (which the poofters at Wiki and pretty much all the other poofters call the “Bruces sketch)” and get back in touch with your authentic self.

    Aussie rules is so much better than American football that, well, I feel for you and your lost soul. Some might say that the guy in the outrageous hat who does the oddly stylized pointy fingers dance indicating which posts the ball went through is kind of a poofter himself, but, I’d say he’s just a flamboyant Bruce.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  161. @John Johnson

    Scholars like Murray approaching the end of their lives seem really freaked out about the great classical liberal experiment being over and incapable of any sort of resurgence or revival at this point.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  162. @Wade Hampton

    I’m not a libertarian of any stripe, Randian or otherwise, but it isn’t fair to use Haiti as an example of the negatives of minimal government. Haiti is a wasteland because the blacks murdered essentially all the whites in their glorious revolution of 1791-1804. Haiti is a wasteland because it is 95% black.

    It’s completely fair to use it as an example as to why minimal government is overrated.

    Yes it is mostly Black. So what? They can’t beat a 1950’s Communist country?

    That is the complete opposite outcome of what libertarians tell us.

    If minimal government requires White people then why are you certain that the virtue is the lack of government and not the people?

    Switzerland might be a better example of the benefits of a smaller government. The Swiss modeled their constitution on the U.S. one and unlike us they actually use the darn thing. Much of governmental power is delegated to the cantons. Things work better there.

    No it’s another White country that libertarians dishonestly depict as small government.

    Their government spending as a percentage of GDP is much higher than Haiti.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP#:~:text=Sortable%20table%20%28not%20available%20on%20mobile%29%20%20,%20%20-1.688%20%2057%20more%20rows%20

  163. Bill says:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Dude, his PhD is in Management Science. He is not a mathematician, and he embarrasses himself when he tries to act like one. His schtick on Twitter (back when I was paying attention anyway) was to fart around with algebra puzzles and spew his weird takes on Classical history and how it proves blacks is reel smart and the Lebanese are the master race.

    There are people way smarter than Murray who will publicly express disagreement with him. There are people who are way smarter than Murray who will publicly claim that Murray is wrong and his antagonists are right. And the emperor *still* has no clothes. Cowardice, with an assist from ethnic malice, is doing all the work.

  164. Voltara says:

    Yes, of course the ruling class will recognise racial differences. They’re already doing it through legislation and selective enforcement of laws. Once migration has done irreparable damage to native white populations our masters will encourage racial division and animosity as a way to further traumatise the public

  165. Art says:

    Yet a few countries, pre-1965 America conspicuous among them, successfully developed high levels of trust independent of kinship bonds. Such countries have fostered historically exceptional levels of human achievement and prosperity.

    Where does this individualistic mindset come from? Murray attributes it to the American Founders, who enshrined as in “The American Creed.” He might have profited by considering Kevin MacDonald’s argument that northern Europeans (such as our Founders) are the product of an unusual evolutionary environment in which the ability to cooperate with non-kin, including the careful maintenance of a personal reputation for fair dealing with them, was of greater importance than kinship bonds.

    The American Creed is an extension of Christianity.

    Where does the American Creed of individualism come from? The correct answer is Christianity. Individual’s cooperating is the societal product of Christian philosophy. The different Europeans shared the idealism of Christianity. “Love your neighbor” starts the string of ideals that foster cooperation between individuals. The other personal ideals are: live with hope, life is sacred, seek the truth, forgive the past, extend grace to all. Anyone can be a philosophical Christian, it is not necessary to be a religious. There is NO tribalness in base Christian philosophy.

    In 1963, MLK’s “content of your character” speech, was an extension of the American Creed and Christian idealism. It was anti-racism. It avoided the question of intellectual prowess. It championed personal responsibility. It was personal, speaking to the individual American. MLK put America on the right path forward.

    So, what went wrong? Mr. Murry totally avoids what happened subsequently. In the next 50 years the Jews killed the American Creed and Christianity’s idealistic “personal” philosophy for living. The Jews turned us into biological tribes. They turned sexual identity against sexual identity. They championed single parent families. They abrogated personal responsibility to government.

    And yes, the Jews have clamped down on quintessential American free speech. As of today, the American Creed has been murdered.

    Hmm — Who will be the first of consequence to say it?

    • Thanks: mark green
  166. I don’t buy the IQ stuff anymore. Did the savage unwashed Germanic barbarian have an equal to or greater than IQ than an ancient Iraqi? The problem really is that white kids are getting dumber with the new wave push of religion and having to go to school with negroes.

  167. @JackOH

    Brilliant comment, Stan. I’ll guess we have plenty of commenters here, myself among them, who mistakenly believed themselves to be among the elite (or “elite”, the sneer quotes are pretty appropriate). The wake-up call, moment of truth, eye-opener, aha or eureka moment, or call it what you will that tells you you’ve been fucked can be wrenching.

    I will share my story. Not sure if I planned on joining the elite but I made the mistake in assuming they were honest.

    As a liberal student I ran into a prof that was passing unprepared non-Whites while actually trying to discourage White students. Not just cheating them but actually discouraging them from having any confidence in their work.

    It was unbelievable. She acted so professional and principled in class.

    We caught her but it was never reported to the Dean. I wasn’t the same after it happened.

    I really didn’t think that type of stuff happened. I really believed that liberals were good people trying to improve the world and nasty right wingers made up those stories.

    Yes an eye opener. It’s all in theory until the equalizers try to take what is yours and they don’t give a damn about your principles.

    • Thanks: JackOH
  168. @Bill

    Taleb is a mathematician…theorems and proofs…..His phd advisor has a PhD in theoretical physics. She moved on to probability theory…statistics….the mathematics of derivatives models….She is in the world renown class….

    • Replies: @Bill
  169. @Joe Paluka

    >Muslims are mutts
    Most are but some aren’t especially the ethnically conscience, – Albanians, Muslims Slavs, Malays, Javanese, Sumatrans. Christianity also encourages mongrelization but at an even higher degree than Islam, just look at the cucked Anglo Protestant that has no problem with his white daughter mixing with negroes or latinos. I believe that deism and ethnic nationalism is the right sort of social ideology for everybody. Semitic religions only serve semites and not the people that betrayed their forefathers for Semitic trash.

  170. @bayviking

    No one deserves to be ruled by another just because they are smarter.

    No one deserves to be ruled by another.

    FIFY

  171. No one deserves to be ruled by another.

    If we had let Germany take continental Europe in WW1 we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    Germans and Brits today are being told to not have children “for the Earth” while Muslims have all the children they want and don’t give a f-.

    White men forget that not everyone else shares their idealism.

  172. KenH says:

    Sounds like Charles Murray held his fire on voicing support for white identity politics so he could get his book written. That’s why the Jewish led radical left had to steal the 2020 election. So they could install the Jewish mafia of Avril Haines, Merrick Garland, Alejandro Mayorkas and so many others to crush a nascent pro-white identity politics which they categorize as “violent white supremacy” and “white domestic extremism”.

    So be it. Government policy is deliberately making whites into a hated minority with no basic rights even sooner than any of us thought possible. One need look no further than our current immigration policy, the coddling of violent black criminals and the inhumane treatment of the Jan 6th protesters.

    Tucker Carlson, Charles Murray and others need to get it through their thick skulls that we aren’t turning back the clock to 1980’s and 1990’s style race blindness which in reality wasn’t as race blind and idyllic as the mythmakers would have you believe.

    The American system can not be reformed and the government no longer serves our interests or treats us as equals. Pro-white identity politics and secession should be preached 24/7/365.

  173. @Anonymous Jew

    Wait, you’re a Jew? After all these years, I thought we were closer than that.

    😉

  174. @Diversity Heretic

    Hey, that “hothouse flower” line is mine! 😉

    I’m not an Iowa boy, but let’s just say that I know the territory. Anyway, it’s fascinating to see smart people do obviously dumb things. With his giant brain, Murray can’t seem to look at history and understand what made Newton such a nice town.

    At some point along the line, Murray became an intellectual coward.

  175. @KenH

    Murray didn’t hold his fire. He’s delusional. The higher the IQ, the more you can fool yourself.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  176. These blacks and Democrats are such shits. They riot and protest and burn down cities and call for defunding the police. But when crime skyrockets, they whine and demand More Police.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/democrat-voters-in-new-york-want-more-cops-on-the-street-amid-skyrocketing-violent-crime-poll

    I say defund the police and let NY fall to more crime. Let them suffer the consequences of their virtue-signaling wacky-wokey.

  177. @MEH 0910

    I don’t get it, MEH. What’s Charles Murray trying to say? Even well-known authors can sound like idiots in tweets.

  178. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Nah.

    He’s high IQ…..The Bell Curve was phenomenal…..he knows what’s up.

    However….he is part of the elite and wants to be invited to their cocktail parties….so….

    he has to strike a pose that white identity would be HORRIFYING….that is….anudda shoah.

    When in fact, white unity would simply mean a return to sanity, rule of law, strong borders, fairness, decency, etc.

  179. Bernie says:

    LOL!

    “If a minority consisting of 13 percent of the population can generate as much political energy and solidarity as America’s Blacks have, what happens when a large proportion of the 60 percent of the population that is White begins to use the same playbook?”

    Maybe they start winning for a change?

  180. Awash says:

    The fertility rates in America, Europe, China and Japan are below two. Prosperity not intelligence induces avoidance of large families. The fertility rates in India and Africa are greater than two. But the trend is down ward. In some states in India it is below two now.

    Therefore, in the very long run the human gene is suicidal.

    In the meantime pain and conflict may arise in societies. But very unlikely to lead to major upheavals.

  181. @bayviking

    “All man are created equal”
    How true it is!!!!
    No doubt about it!
    But created means babies!
    When babies become MAN they are not equal!
    Some are useful, and some are not.
    And even some are criminals.

  182. @Bill

    “poofter”….haven’t heard that one for a while.
    Aussie rules is OK — but things in commentary like “the chemist warehouse scoreboard” or the “Harvey Norman replay” etc etc give me the utter shits.
    Hope the sunburn/rash gets better – makes a man cranky that kind of thing.

  183. Dr. Doom says:

    When Whites start fighting as a group, nothing on earth will stop them.
    When they realize otherkins are dangerous trash, they will cut their food lines.
    You do not have to massacre fools. They will kill each other over scraps.

    White Identity is finally here. It took a lot to bring it out but its here now.
    The Jew is finished. No longer necessary. A worthless asset to be liquidated.
    Let the Zionists and Islamists KILL EACH OTHER OFF.

    Let go of this desert religion of fakirs and suicidal idealists.
    Embrace the New Gods. Join the Dark Side. Feel the Hate empower you.
    The New Gods of Enlightenment. Technology, Literature and Exclusivity.

    Even God is exclusive. He lives in a Gated Community. No riff raff allowed.
    Be like Him. Embrace your own and damn the rest. Otherkins are Trash.
    The New Gods of Enlightenment embrace the Truth and damn liars to the gallows.

    Science. Technology. Your Own Space. Outer Space. Space Travel. Space Stations.
    All of this can be yours. Deny the garbage you were fed about “brotherhood”.
    Those filthy otherkin trash are not any of my kin or yours. Exclude them.

  184. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  185. eah says:

    … the political and media establishments now openly demonize and threaten the founding demographic.

    link

    Hear that, White man? … The Jewish attorney general is telling you that if you have a problem with the fact his tribe stole your country from you and is actively replacing you with 3rd world peasants, he’s going to hunt you down as a terrorist.

    • Replies: @eah
  186. @Bill

    I went to school with someone whose family is worth upwards of 30M. He is a “Chinese-American” but a lot of his family money was made working for Taiwanese semiconductor companies operating in mainland China (*ahem*). Now he just lives off of his parents, indulging in the lifestyle of a hipster, and has a number of hanger-ons that orbit him and continue flatter his ego to leech favors and or money. It is amazing how much people in this country worship even inherited wealth.

    As someone that was raised middle-class, I found the dynamic toxic. It is not exactly possible for someone to call him out for what he is. On the contrary, one is called “jealous” for doing so.

    People ultimately respect just power and money I guess.

  187. Dan Hayes says:
    @Robert Dolan

    In the spirit of the late Father Hesburgh be assured that McNulty will be presented with new ventures, i.e. he will be sacked!

  188. onebornfree says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    “Boy Murray sure brings in the Rand cult. Would you rather have surgery in “minimal government” Haiti or Big Government Sweden?…..Explain your choice using your own words ..”

    Anyone who believes :

    1] that Ayn Rand was a libertarian [she despised libertarians],

    2] that Haiti has a free market healthcare system [ its basically a 3rd world miltary/commie dictatorship as far as I know]. Personally, I choose to avoid ALL government-run healthcare systems, regardless of country, as far as possible- they’re all life-threatening scams.

    3] {more importantly} … that the government can keep the borders safe, protect white [or black /brown, yellow for that matter], culture/identity, stop crime and keep the streets safe, etc. etc. blah, blah , blah, yadda yadda yadda, needs to have their head examined, so no, I’m not going to try to explain anything to you- it would be a complete waste of my valuable time, and achieve nothing.

    P.S. I’m not a “libertarian” [or “lolbertarian” as at least one other dimbulb here would have it]. The libertarian party today is a joke, just a bunch of warmed over mealy-mouthed gradualist conservatives, who, just like yourself [ and Mr Murray, for that matter] are ,despite all of the counter evidence, still gullible enough [i.e. brainwashed enough] to believe in government solutions to the worlds , mostly government-caused, problems.

    “Regards” onebornfree

    [And remember: mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, MO’ GUBMINT! 🤣🤣🤣

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government  is a disease masquerading as its own cure”  Robert LeFevere

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.”      Albert J. Nock

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  189. @onebornfree

    that Ayn Rand was a libertarian [she despised libertarians],

    Semantics. She briefly complained about libertarians of her time but the libertarian party has adopted her ideology. Legal crack, open borders and race denial.

    that Haiti has a free market healthcare system [ its basically a 3rd world miltary/commie dictatorship as far as I know]. Personally, I choose to avoid ALL government-run healthcare systems, regardless of country, as far as possible- they’re all life-threatening scams.

    So you would choose surgery in a Haitian private practice over a public hospital in Sweden?

    that the government can keep the borders safe, protect white [or black /brown, yellow for that matter], culture/identity, stop crime and keep the streets safe, etc. etc. blah, blah , blah, yadda yadda yadda, needs to have their head examined, so no, I’m not going to try to explain anything to you- it would be a complete waste of my valuable time, and achieve nothing.

    What exactly are you arguing here? The government can’t control the borders? Why did border crossings decrease under Trump but increase under Biden? How did operation wetback under Truman work if the government can’t control borders?

    The libertarian outlook is compromising your basic sense of reason. It simply isn’t based on reality. Open borders, legal crack, choosing private surgery in Haiti over Sweden….this is madness and what you get from following the ideology of a bitter ugly woman who used meth, took part in orgies, hated Christian charity and openly admired a child killer.

  190. @Onebornfree I have a simple question for you:

    Let’s say you had two countries:

    1. A free market and minimal government country that has access to vast natural resources and is inhabited by Bantu. Well will call it the African Republic of Randia.

    2. A socialistic but nationalistic country that has limited access to natural resources and is inhabited by Germans. We will call it the Island of Germanica.

    Which country would you expect to have the higher standard of living?

  191. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Scholars like Murray approaching the end of their lives seem really freaked out about the great classical liberal experiment being over and incapable of any sort of resurgence or revival at this point.

    Maybe he can retire and lecture squirrels on accepting racial differences in intelligence and the virtues of free market capitalism. He might even find an audience.

  192. The Native Born White American Working Class now lives in the era of WHITE GENOCIDE…And because of this, IQ test score psychometric jibber jabber the-eyes-glaze-over-is 100 percent irrelevant…..

  193. TheMoon says:

    If nothing has happened yet, I can’t see that it will. Enough has been done by the “elites” that dragging them out of their mansions to be tortured for months on end would be justified to the point of being amoral imperative. There’s literally not a punishment you can conceive of in the physical world that is sufficient for what these wretched monsters have done to civilization. People should be seething with nuclear level anger, ready to skin these filthy creatures alive, but everyone sits and smells their own farts all day.

  194. The average african IQ is 91.!!!???? Try 65.

    • Replies: @USA1943
  195. Secession is the way forward. A new nation freed of the shackles of affirmative anti-Whiteness would quickly grow powerful and prosperous. All we’d need to start is two states with nukes.

  196. G J T says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I’m with you on the boomers, but looking to Gen Z as anything other than the most extreme version of everything that’s wrong with the white race, is a huge mistake.

    The reality is that the only hope left lies among the late gen x and early millennial group. The group of say, early 30s to about 50. This is the group that is slightly old enough to not have been raised on ubiquitous internet porn, state-enforced multiculturalism and instant gratification in all areas of life; while also not quite old enough to have had everything come so easily and therefore just take everything for granted. The boomers are the same as the late millennials and gen z kids, just for different reasons.

    The most likely outcome of all this is one none of us white nationalist/identitarians/etc can really have any impact on. The total collapse of this society is inevitable. It’s what we do in the aftermath that will matter.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  197. @ThreeCranes

    Stop being a weird pathetic incel and go talk to some women who are in your league, which is probably low. But sex in the dark feels the same either way, go get some, you need it. It’s not that hard to do.

    But I do agree the US is lost. On that point you are correct. Banning CRT in red states won’t do shit. Too little too late. Whites have been/are being set up to be 1930’s Jews in Germany a la the Holocaust story (if that was even true, idk, I have my doubts about it being anything more than what the US did to the Japanese). Ironically, by the Jews themselves, and for real this time. A century later, it’s come full circle.

    Blacks are mostly dumb half men, they are just the hammer wielded by the elites in the MSM, academia, etc.

    Your focus should be on the hand that wields the hammer. There would be no BLM is the gov’t, tech companies, media etc. treated them as they do us. It simply wouldn’t exist. Blacks have always whined about this shit, but now the institutional powers back them up with fervor not ever seen before.

    They have already demonized us and erased/rewritten, selectively much of our history for decades now, again CRT ban is far too little too late.

    Next, they will increase affirmative action even more,

    Then, they will straight up take your money, in ways that make the hollowing of the middle class over the last decades look like a picnic, justified as reparations for “building America with slavery”

    Then… dunno. But the above seem likely enough to make me want to avoid becoming a Rhodesian.

    Unless the elites change their mind and abort the plan. But why go through all this work implementing it if you are just going to abort it?

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  198. https://spectatorworld.com/topic/identity-crisis-politics-race-wreck-america-charles-murray/

    Identity crisis: how the politics of race will wreck America – Advocating double standards for people on top and everyone else is a bad idea

    But Murray’s been ok with favorable double standards for Jews forever. Just ask the Palestinians.
    And what about AIPAC’s grip on America?

    • Replies: @Art
  199. Dumbo says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    You must be a Jew. I don’t buy it that someone who can be relatively smart in other matters, plays so dumb when the issue is Jews — and tries to exculpate them from everything, as if they were saintly.

    Even in Math you appear to be dumb, because if Jews are just 2% of the total U.S. population (supposedly, of course in reality they are more) and being 20% of the elite is a LOT, while 80% (of 60% from the total white population) is relatively not that much.

    To be fair, the world elite is not purely Jewish, it’s Anglo-Jewish.

    But Jews and Anglos have been together for centuries, they’ve been even in the Royal Family for a while (much earlier than the current generation, when it’s open). In fact, Protestantism is/was a Jewish plot, and Anglos and Jews have been together since then.

    It’s always the same families, though. Some Jewish, some Anglo. A few (very few) of other ethnicities. And a few tokens too, perhaps.

  200. Dumbo says:

    The idea that the elites, or anyone really, is “unaware of racial differences” is bullshit.

    Everyone knows racial difference exist, from the richest billionaire to the dumbest wokester (well, perhaps not the dumbest wokester).

    In fact, the plan for the U.S. is to become a caste society based on race (it is already) — with Jews on top, then Whites as a small creative class, then Asians as a conformist technical workforce, then Mexicans as docile servants, then Blacks as the muscle for riots or for urban change (deploy them like locusts, watch property prices fall, buy everything, then displace blacks again by “gentrifying”).

  201. There are two foundation false premises here.

    What Dr. Murray and others refers to race they are talking strictly about biology. So it is entirely misleading to contend that others don’t admit to differences in human species. Of course there however, those differences don’t change the structure of humaness such that someone is a different race than others — which is the subtle but unmistakable suggestion, now more subtle than in previous decades, nonetheless the same argument as indicated laid out by Dr. Linaeus.

    That human beings have different traits is without question, some of those traits are biological and others are of cultural. I am conservative and I understand that traits in humans is a given. Whether IQ is a trait resulting from biology or something learned remains a matter of substantial debate.
    Whether it is related to skin color (what many advocates of race as different species – often noted as african, explicitly “subsaharan africa) remains an open question because we know that environment plats a role in intelligence

    It is quaint to razzle dazzle with numbers. But that never answers the central issue biology or environment. Because in ,ore than 100 years of study, there has yet to be a biological marker that identifies higher intelligence. Like the circular hi-jinks of same relational conduct biology uniquely tied to white brown or yellow skin has yet to be found, and that to high IQ.

    That humans are a distinct race as opposed to a body of different races is not the same thing as humans in which said humans have different traits. Playing the numbers game is an old hat trick, but one that doesn’t support the premise. A premise that itself is incorrect.

    The second major failure rests in using todays technical fields to address a system and socialization that existed long before our technical expertise o today.

    The discrimination that occurred did so even when considering ditch digging, laying brick (and africans were more than skilled construction as a visit to any plantation will inform one) If the discrimination in question was not widely practiced even among unskilled labor, then the case being advanced might have some value. It’s hard o imagine a more intelligent laden workforce regarding agriculture than the blacks who for twenty generation lived and worked on plantations. Yet obtaining the financial capital for starting their own farms was a very tough prospect. Because blacks by their skin color were denied access to capital. There are of course exceptions, but by and large — well Dr. Murray admits to discrimination, so that more or less resolves the matter. There are just too many examples in which IQ simply doesn’t weigh the issue. Black fighter pilots were boxed in all one group — if there is some unique characteristic that made black fighter pilots innately different from white fighter pilots, the case has yet to be made that has not been roundly refuted and dismantled.

    Which of course upends the suggestion that whites need to protect themselves merely because whiteness is under threat. Looking at history of the US white superiority in all things has reigned supreme for more than 200 years. So based on the historical record, it is a incorrect to make a claim that whites are the only ones barred from making a case for themselves. They have and continue to occupy the primary, secondary and even lower tiers of power, influence and decision making — even in unskilled low IQ required arenas.

    Which of course roundly rebuts the complaint that there is no such thing as systemic racism. In fact this article is built on advocating that very concept. Whites by definition of whiteness are smarter and therefore should govern and direct society. And that it is so vital, that whites should defend their already power dominant position. The article is intended to justify discrimination, explain discrimination and why discrimination should continue.

    ———————————-

    What Dr Murray, this author and similar advocates eschew are the national and international abysmal failures that whites of contended superior intelligence have wrought on the country and the world at large. White superiority has run the economy into the ground and soon to be below that if we continue to stay the course. But that is another question and it goes to the value of intelligence, if at the end of the day, it only benefits a few and that not by intelligence but rather holding the keys and tools of power.

    ———————————–

    Whites run immigration and yet, are unable to effect mange protect the borders of the US — that’s the real threat

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @europeasant
  202. @G J T

    The reality is that the only hope left lies among the late gen x and early millennial group. The group of say, early 30s to about 50. This is the group that is slightly old enough to not have been raised on ubiquitous internet porn, state-enforced multiculturalism and instant gratification in all areas of life; while also not quite old enough to have had everything come so easily and therefore just take everything for granted.

    That is an interesting point and I agree but for different reasons.

    The boomer conservatives I have met in real life have a hard time with race. They really have mental blocks and grasp at flawed solutions. Liberal boomer women are a ball of emotion when it comes to race and can’t process it with a shred of logic. The men buy into the liberal media or Con Inc / conservative Christian solutions that have already failed….. repeatedly. They seem to have good intentions but have a really hard time with racial differences.

    Where I used to work the 18-21 year old men/man-boys seemed pretty hopeless. Not politics but with their own lives. A lot of them were too nice for their own good. They were hard workers but seemed content to just stay in the same gear. Some of my relatives fit the same description. They just sort of show up to the same job and don’t do anything differently. Like they believe they were born to work some boring job and good things just happen to other people. I’ve heard teachers say that recent generations were surprisingly docile. Not sure if that is the result of conditioning or genetics but I would guess the former. The establishment might be just better at beating down Whites.

  203. I am admittedly a person of very low IQ

    • Replies: @europeasant
  204. Art says:
    @Priss Factor

    But Murray’s been ok with favorable double standards for Jews forever. Just ask the Palestinians.

    And what about AIPAC’s grip on America?

    Mr. Murray refuses to acknowledge the power of the Jew Creed over America. All the wrong moves against the American Creed of individualism, can be traced to Jew control.

    Jew group dynamics that sponsor race and sex identity, and that also advocate government responsibility over individual accountability – are activated, promoted, and propagandized by the Jew MSM.

    Jew Creed oligarch control of our foreign policy and control of our corporate structure are driving America deeper and deeper into national misfortune.

    Fore sure Mr. Murray knows the above to be 100% accurate. He has gone 10% of the way by advocating for the “American Creed”.

    The Jews will use the first part of this book to claim proof of “white supremacy in America” – and they will ignore the American Creed part. Sorry, but Jew Creed control of America’s culture will prevail.

    Only when someone of consequence speaks the whole truth about Jew domination, will the American Creed be restored.

    • Agree: CSFurious
    • Replies: @gkruz
    , @CSFurious
  205. I am not certain why Charles Murray is insistent that the ruling class accepts anything, for them times have never been better. He doesn’t seem to get it through his skull that society need not be based upon truth or fairness. The system can never fail because they will just merely print more money, and if you don’t like it here where else are you going to go? Only at the end of an Empire does the common sense notion that you shouldn’t have a welfare state with mass migration is considered anathema today. The things that have motivated people throughout history such as the desire to transmit property to one’s descendants, the desire to preserve your heritage, the family, the nation state – all of these things are considered abhorrent. This is why people are considered fungible. Why does the ruling class have to accept reality when rioting and open borders is more fun?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  206. USA1943 says:
    @Hang All Text Drivers

    It varies so much by Individual, The First Heart Transplant was done by an African (Christan Banard,South Africa) And the IGBO Tribe of Nigeria is an outlier as they excel in Academics and are known for being very smart.

    • Replies: @gkruz
    , @Francis Miville
  207. gkruz says:
    @frontier

    Yeah, because Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin were the most concerned friends of White people ever!

  208. gkruz says:
    @USA1943

    Christian Barnard was a White South African. Your attempt at deception is clumsy.

    • Agree: Alfred
  209. gkruz says:
    @Art

    The jews would never have had any influence or control over Whites but for Christianity. If you truly believe that facts matter more than feelings, there is no way to refute this.

    • Replies: @Art
  210. @Verymuchalive

    The purpose of a state is to protect the people. When it fails to do that job by allowing juntas, monopolies, n cartels, with the excuse – adopted from libertarian platitudes – that it cannot intervene in so-called private businesses, which are actually extensions of state actors, then it’s time to dump libertarianism n re-take control of the state n re-dedicate it to protecting the people. Then it must be strengthened to ensure it becomes effective again. The state is either Yours or your Enemy’s. It is a dangerous myth that it can be just a silent referee. It never is.

  211. @Bardon Kaldian

    You need to investigate further. 200 Hollywood executives control 90% of all media n entertainment in the US, Almost all are Jews. 51% of the professors at Harvard law school are Jews. 35% of the Harvard student body are Jews, like most Ivy League.

    If you take a college course at these schools, chances are your prof will be a Jew, your textbook will be written by a Jew, it will published by Jews, n even the internet service where you download it will be owned by Jews. Want to borrow money for tuition? You will have to go to a Jewish bank to borrow the money at usurious rates to get it, money that the bank obtained at near zero interest from the Fed – also run by Jews.

    Half of billionaires are Jews, with that percentage steadily growing. There is no Left or Right in the US, or upper or lower class. There are only well-organized Tribes that collaborate in looting the country from whites, with an Aristocracy of Jews at the top who ensure that the looting will not stop until whites, who created the wealth, are genocided out of existence.

    Their control is so complete that one cannot even mention the word Jew without being censored, fired, n even one’s bank account frozen. This allows naive persons to continue in their delusion that the US is not run by a Jewish Aristocracy, but is a constitutional democracy whose representatives are chosen in free n fair elections, n whose government puts its citizens first. That hasn’t been true in almost a century.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @europeasant
  212. @Usura

    We are already in the midst of mass bloodshed due to exploding crime, which is really a form of ethnic cleansing, along with a junta that stole an election n is seizing n torturing political prisoners. Why is every call for self defense in this situation dismissed as inviting disaster? This regime has openly declared a War on Whites n has lined up the courts n the military to assist it. Just how is White Identitarianism inviting anything but a long delayed effective resistance?

  213. Dumbo says:

    Jews are 70% or so of Biden’s cabinet.

    Jews are 90% of Hollywood producers and Wall Street Moguls.

    Black Rock, the world’s largest asset manager, is all controlled by Jews.

    Google and Facebook, the two largest web ad companies, are owned by Jews.

    Only Amazon appears not to be Jewish-owned, but Bezos has a weird biography, so he might as well be a crypto-Jew.

    Anyone who says Jews have no power is insane. The highest proof of Jewish power is that you can’t talk about it. You have to pretend that they are fragile victims, soon to suffer another pogrom or holocaust. Or else.

    Now, of course there are also “regular Jews” who hold little power, but so what. There are also a lot of White and Chinese living in squalor.

    Jews might not have the highest IQ, but they are smart, fox – smart. They even managed to crucify Jesus and blame it on the Romans. That’s how they roll. LOL.

    • Agree: CSFurious
    • Thanks: europeasant
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  214. Murray, another useless “academic” of the kind that claims to have very important knowledge and yet, isn’t concerned about anything that knowledge points to. Another fat head who would sell out in a heartbeat. There’s too many of them my taxes have to support. I’d rather those taxes go to my car mechanic.

    • Disagree: CSFurious
    • Replies: @CSFurious
  215. CSFurious says:
    @Travis

    The statistics that you cite will lead to America breaking up into separate regions. This might not occur within the next 10 years but it will occur within the next 50.

  216. CSFurious says:
    @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    I do not believe that any of your tax dollars support Charles Murray.

    • Replies: @Dr. Charles Fhandrich
  217. CSFurious says:
    @Art

    He cannot do this because he would be ostracized from “polite society” like E. Michael Jones. He has to understand the influence of Jews on the current problems affecting America.

    • Replies: @Art
  218. @Tom Marvolo Riddle

    The issue isn’t whether I’m getting laid; it’s the fact that young white males are not and are committing slow suicide! Hell, I’m old and have nothing to complain about and in tribute to some of my former lovers, I am obligated by the Goddess of Beauty to defend them from your slander by announcing loudly and publicly that some of them were blue-ribbon beauties. So leave them alone. You want to complain about me, then point out that I’ve done nothing to counter the immivasion of our White homeland.

  219. IronForge says:

    IMHO,

    Better to coordinate a Constitutional Convention, Regroup by Ethnicity+Ideology, Agree to Disagree, then Relocate to Split the Republic.

    While you can.

    The DNC+Woked plan to Flip Every State Blue; and they have the Migranvaders to do that within a few Decades at the Latest.

    I myself was born Abroad as my Late Father was Stationed via the US Navy. I’ve had enough. I will leave the USA; and will not raise a Family in the USA, or send Children to School here.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  220. “Murray, another useless “academic” of the kind that claims to have very important knowledge and yet, isn’t concerned about anything that knowledge points to. Another fat head who would sell out in a heartbeat.”

    I am sure many of you are completely misreading Dr. Murray. His political correct positioning is being taken far to seriously by many of you. My take is that Dr. Murray’s position rests on making a case for justifying advocating for whiteness. The shift from whiteness to qualities associated with whiteness is intended to remove whiteness from the equation and place it on skills, intelligence, managerial brio and no moral acuity.

  221. @CSFurious

    And I sincerely hope your right. Thanks

    • Agree: CSFurious
  222. @EliteCommInc.

    I admit, I’d have to read him some more. Thanks for the thoughtful reply,

  223. Art says:
    @gkruz

    The jews would never have had any influence or control over Whites but for Christianity. If you truly believe that facts matter more than feelings, there is no way to refute this.

    Christian Americans are just waking up to the fact that there is a war with the Jews for control. The day that it is said out load – is coming.

    Mr. Murray identifying the American Creed, is a step in the right direction. It is our duty, to not let his words die! Condemning Christians is not helping. It is participating in the Jew’s control.

    p.s. There is no American Creed without the Christian Creed of individualism.

  224. Getaclue says:
    @Annony Mouse

    Which is why we have the “vaccines” being forced on all the Peons — you can “wake up” and then find out you allowed yourself to be injected with a bio-weapon from the exact same “they” you reference….– Funny how that works

  225. Art says:
    @CSFurious

    He cannot do this because he would be ostracized from “polite society” like E. Michael Jones. He has to understand the influence of Jews on the current problems affecting America.

    Mr. Murray and everyone with a public persona, knows the score – talk against the Jews, and you are committing cultural suicide.

    There are a few young folks on the internet who are starting to speak up for the Palestinians. They are negatively uttering “Israel.” They are edging closer and closer to saying “JEW” out-loud.

  226. Art says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The shift from whiteness to qualities associated with whiteness is intended to remove whiteness from the equation and place it on skills, intelligence, managerial brio and no moral acuity.

    WWI and WWII clearly illustrate the failures of biological tribal Euro whiteness. Yet, with that said, clearly there is something special about Euro culture. The Euro peoples have built a culture of intellectual cooperation. This special something is collaborative Western culture. It has produced science, productivity, and a measure of freedom. The element of Western culture that produced Euro cooperation is Christianity.

    Today, it is forbidden for Mr. Murray and his class of Americans to say that – but those are the facts.

    The American Creed is about individualism and cooperation – it has an old-world implacable enemy – it is the Jew creed of tribal confrontation and overall top-down government responsibility.

    The Jew creed must be crushed.

  227. Murray’s hidden message: “Jews(ruling class), don’t blame black problems on white history but on black genetics, because whites might be driven crazy and come at you with pitchforks. I would hate that because I(and most whites) love cucking at your Jewish feet(as long as you don’t whip us too badly).”

    How Jews feel: “We will keep using BLM and CRT precisely to prevent you whites from ever coming at us with pitchforks. CRT will divide whites into ‘good whites’ and ‘bad whites’, and ‘good whites’ will suck up to us while ‘bad whites’ will say ‘good whites’ are the ‘real racists’, LOL. Thus far, BLM and CRT have done their magic in morally paralyzing you whites into a bunch of saphead cucks. Look at Trump. We kick his ass and f*** him in the ass, but he never speaks up for whites and only cucks to Israel.”

    • Agree: Bert
  228. anarchyst says:
    @Sin City Milla

    I would like to expand on your points about jews.

    One can call a jew a shyster, money-grubber, bankster, shylock, lawyer, ambulance chaser, or other derogatory term and it will roll off his back like water off a duck. BUT, call a jew a “jew” and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

    It is interesting to note that the U S Census Bureau is specifically prohibited from categorizing jews. In the USA, jews are not to be counted. WHY?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  229. anarchyst says:
    @Dumbo

    The problem with jews is that they insist on monoculturalism and insularity but only for themselves while pushing the poisons of multiculturalism and diversity on the rest of us.
    Jews hold an extreme supremacist attitude that regards the rest of us as no better than livestock, to be used (and abused) for the benefit of jews.
    Jews to a man will fight to impose multiculturalism and diversity on us while reserving the right to insulate their culture from the rest of us.
    A good example of this is the jews-only community of Kiryas Joel among others in which American civil-rights and fair housing laws do not apply. Try purchasing property or sending your children to the jews-only public schools in Kiryas Joel. You will be shown the door.
    At the same time, most of the jewish residents of Kiryas Joel are receiving some kind of public assistance, much of it fraudulently.
    Another good example of jewish chutzpah is the number of jewish menorahs displayed on public property. These religious symbols are an in your face snub to Christians and others who have been legislated and lawfared out of the public square by jewish attorneys and legislators. This is all by design and is done to weaken the existing social order.
    You see, jews are not afraid to impose their double standard on us, even using “lawfare” and the threat of lawsuits as this promotes their primary goal of weakening and destroying the existing white social order.
    Jews have been kicked out of 109 countries because of their own behavior. Maybe it’s time for 110.

    • Replies: @Uncoy
    , @Sin City Milla
  230. There are no “Europeans” in USA. Only European and Europe destroying scum. The only thing we want from these creatures of destruction is STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM US. Go home? You have an entire continent to yourselves. Why is that not enough? You and your influence and your ideas and your academia and your corruption have brought only misery and destruction here. Our states and our existences are built on ethnicity. Not on race, not on lofty ideals, no, on the history that each European nation has in common, and no, Proposition Nation is not a nation. If we have another 76 years of “US protection” there will be no more Europeans and no more Europe. Go home destructive lying cheating manipulative Americans. We want nothing to do with you. You have an entire continent of your own. Why is that not enough? Have you not done enough harm to us already? American universalism is our destruction.

    • Replies: @Uncoy
  231. “The Jew creed must be crushed.”

    Just to void the impression of being misleading, I should state

    In my view most of the Jews referred to in discussion are in fact white. They are largely part of western cultures, despite their religious practices and faith. I am at a loss about the distinctions from the larger dialogue regarding whites as they are as white as any whites in the US or Europe.

    The nonwhite Jews are not generally associated with western nations and are by and large shunned by European Jews. How this sit with those who support a Zionist disposition, I am unclear. The relationship of jews with the greater US culture has largely been one of cooperation or at least mutual benefit.

    I certainly entertain my own notions about carte blanche support for Israel, while recognizing her right to exist.

    Not seeking a fight on this issue, just noting my view to avoid any misinterpretation.

    • Replies: @Art
  232. “I admit, I’d have to read him some more.”

    I think Dr. Murray suffers from the a dilemma suffered by many conservatives. In the face of historical fact, divorcing oneself from the notion such discrimination is all hat is hard work and knowing that hos work is associated with same, that divorce is a hard hard process painful and long process — how to do so without relegating his research into the pale of color politics may be harder than he prefers.

  233. Art says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “The Jew creed must be crushed.”

    Zionism is anti the American Creed.

    Zionism as it involves the US, must be crushed.

    The Jew MSM is anti the American Creed.

    The Jew oligarch control of the MSM must end.

  234. @Alt Right Moderate

    Think of the individual peasant strips and pastoral flocks of Medieval Europe. That’s the most obvious source of western individualism.

    With all due respect, this sounds wrong to me.

    Medieval Europe is recent history.

    Were nordics not cold-climate hunters? Surely they were, long before they were farmers, and surely this phase lasted far longer than their more recent farming phase so far has.

    Hunter gatherers are collectivists.

    Are they? More so than river valley farmers, for instance? Were North American plains indians collectivists, compared to Mesopotamia, Egypt, or the Yellow River peoples? Nomadic hunter-gatherer life is far more conducive to independence and individualism. Differences in opinion in the group? Some split off and head for one horizon, the others for another.

    The explanation that makes sense to me is that the lifestyle of cold-climate hunter-gatherers could not support dense populations and significant accumulation of wealth, but it did favor innovation in tools and physical vigor. Day-to-day life would have been small groups in vast wilderness with occasional larger gatherings. The ideal of monogamy, contrary to basic mammalian instinct, was an adaptation to the realities imposed by the lifestyle — outside of conquest, males could not accumulate sufficient surplus to maintain multiple women/families.

    • Agree: Bert
    • Replies: @Rumpelstiltskin
  235. @Rumpelstiltskin

    “Two weeks ago Greg Cochran spoke at length on a podcast titled history of Europe. It was in fact a recounting of the biological origins of the White race, meandering but comprehensive, and with a specific focus on the Aryan component. There is little or no written record for much of the period of time Cochran discusses. What he lays out is more a synthesis of evidence and inference, gleaned from the latest genetics research, and meshed with older (and still ongoing) archeological and linguistic research.

    This podcast is well worth listening to from beginning to end, despite its length [nearly 3 hours], and despite the insufferably insecure and nasally host”

    http://age-of-treason.com/2018/06/11/cochran-on-white-racial-pre-history-and-the-aryans/

    A couple of other traits the cold-climate lifestyle would have favored, in contrast to tropical climes:

    – forethought and planning; impulse control

    – diligence and industriousness when the sun shines and in season — in lowland tropics, why kill yourself working in the hot sun when nature provides abundantly regardless, and extra effort is often undone by the also abundant animals (insects, birds, monkeys, etc.) and microbes?

    A friend who grew up in the jungle: ‘Every day is the same.’

    A (female) friend who grew up in high-elevation tropics: ‘The lower in elevation you go, the less clothes the women wear and the more people think about sex.’

    • Replies: @Francis Miville
  236. Uncle Sam says:
    @Sarah

    There are some exceptions in so far as multiethnic monoracial countries are concerned. America as well as Canada and Australia have for the most part successfully absorbed and integrated the various white European ethnic groups. You can include whites from the Asia Minor as well as North Africa in that group

    However, Yugoslavia is very good example wherein the opposite occurred. The white ethnic groups, altho closely related to one another, were not able to get along. There are other examples as well.

    So it is a mixed bag.

  237. “Zionism”

    With respect to the agenda and concerns of the US ought not to be a priority. That is a matter for Israel, Palestine and her neighbors. And while we should facilitate a peaceful process, if at all. Whether Jews occupy all of the region is not a US goal, to my knowledge. I am not sure our nation needs to do anything at all about it.

    I am not sure whether the jewishness of the media matters. The media in the US used to have an obligation to be as fair and accurate as possible in presenting news. As for entertainment, all bets are off. Unfortunately, the tastes of US citizens have changed.

    I do understand the concern that jews in positions of power might leans more against those who don’t agree with everything that Israel says and does and criticism even when valid might put US citizens in harms way from Jews or jewish supporters in places of power and influence. I understand the concern. But we live in the US and in my view, I am hope to lean on doing what is right, even my opponents are straight from the pit. And while this sounds foolish, careless and utterly self defeating —

    Integrity there is no substitute.

  238. AceDeuce says:

    As a wise man said, don’t listen to people talk–watch what they do.

    Murray lives in a literally 99% White community.

  239. “Murray lives in a literally 99% White community.”

    Most white people live in predominantly white neighborhoods.

  240. Bert says:
    @Anon

    There was a time in the old west when Towns got together and wiped out criminals and outlaws.

    Ken McElroy, a town bully of the highest order, got his much more recently than the Old West.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_McElroy

  241. @USA1943

    Barnard was a White South African of English stock and a staunch defender of the system of apartheid in the name of his biological knowledge. He had chosen SA as a working place (despite the better offers made to him in the Northern Hemisphere) to flee leftist censorship.

  242. @Rumpelstiltskin

    The seasons in Africa are generally very harsh as for the differences in heat, humidity and precipitation, and very unreliable from year to year. In general there is rain only a few months per year, the rest of the year it is desert-like, part of that dry season in cool with cold nights where it may freeze, the other part is asphyxiating hot with dust giving its colour to the highest sky. European climate in comparison is much more equal. Equatorial jungle climate reigns only on a small part of Africa (less than 5%) and even then it allows for jungle only because there is a majority of rainy months. There are dry ones nevertheless and there are years of drought. Everyday is never the same in the jungle of Congo. Forethought and impulse control is more at need in Africa than in Europe : even the people who have learned to live naked and outside have to build impressive granaries and cattle stables to protect their beasts from the mortal sun during the most sweltering months, and making provisions of water is a constant puzzle and effort. Human effort is often undone by the various parasites but without that constant often wasted effort you cannot hope to survive. People do think about sex very often but more as a form of religious reverence for life-force in nature : it is far from being as available to all all the time as it is in the modern West, it is generally monopolized by the very powerful or rich who impose chastity on their flock and on their client males as a mark of property.

  243. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:

    Liberals control schools because the white middle class all decamped to private schools. Public schools would still be normal if all the white kids were still attending them. Their parents would control the school boards and wouldn’t tolerate all the crazy anti-white faddist crap among the teachers.

  244. @animalogic

    weren’t there native Americans around?

    Of course there were.

    But not with water-filtering, electrical and architectural engineering.

  245. @Corvinus

    It’s coming, friend. Believe me, it’s coming straight down the line.

    I hope you’re on the right side when it arrives.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  246. anarchyst says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    A good example of racial differences can be proven with “man’s best friend”-dogs.
    There are many different breeds of dogs with varied temperaments, abilities, strength and sizes. Depending on the breed, dogs have varied “expertise”, some good at guiding livestock, some protecting their human caretakers.
    Although it is possible for a German Shepherd to successfully mate with a Chihuahua, it is not likely due to size differences. Just because it is possible doesn’t make it OK.
    Former championship boxer Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) said as such in a public interview. Clay was totally against miscegenation and publicly stated as such in an interview with Alex Haley. Cassius Clay was a loudmouth, but still had common sense.

    • Replies: @USA1943
  247. @Priss Factor

    TL; DR

    Sorry to be rude, but many of us don’t have the hours in a day to spend 3 weeks reading a post.
    You seem to have good ideas but I don’t read posts that are six times longer than they need to be.

  248. Uncoy says: • Website
    @anarchyst

    Systemic Jewish inability to understand the consequences of the same sociopathic behaviour over the course of thousands of years and hundreds of expulsions is a bit of a mystery and runs in direct contradiction to reports of their legendary intelligence (and its ensuing argument of “earned” wealth and position). But then again Netanyahu who made the entire US Congress take a knee is caught up in a trial on taking bribes of $3000 in jewellery. The combination of hubris and a colossal lack of social awareness bring devastating consequences in the long term. It’s not racist – Louis XVI was a French sovereign in France and for the same sins against his people suffered the same consequences.

    • Agree: Art
    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  249. Uncoy says: • Website
    @Erik European

    It’s not an accidental consequence Erik, as you know, but a policy. Gradually our individual states (built on nations as you point out) are disappearing as legal entities, replaced by “Brussels”, which has slowly acquired the same dreaded resonance of “Washington” or “DC”. I suspect we will tear down this foreign monster, but the price will likely again be rivers of blood in Europe. Whole generations (plural) were lost from 1915 to 1918. A three hundred year old dynasty was destroyed. In 1914, people could not believe war would tear apart the Continent again.

    Any ideas on how to avert impending disaster?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  250. Once you extract the data from the morass of moralism with which Libertarian Nice Guy Murray surrounds and camouflages it, you are left with this statement:

    Africans are the stupidest and most violent group in America.

    Have I got this wrong?

    • Agree: europeasant
  251. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Bowman

    “It’s coming, friend. Believe me, it’s coming straight down the line.”

    Yet another Internet Armchair Warrior chimes in. I’ve been hearing this same song and dance routine for the past 50 years. “Someday, we will rise up. You’ll see”. Only when the day comes, it’s “well, now’s not the right time. But you’ll get it. Trust me”.

    The Orcs have invaded the Shire. There is damage and destruction everywhere. Yet instead of stopping them dead in their tracks, you are repeatedly sounding the alarm.

    “I hope you’re on the right side when it arrives.”

    God’s side, correct?

  252. Corvinus says:
    @Uncoy

    “Any ideas on how to avert impending disaster?”

    Yes, direct action like St. Breivik. That’s the only way, or so it has been implied by Dave Bowman and his demented ilk. Otherwise, you can blog to your heart’s content, and that won’t move the needle.

  253. @anarchyst

    I have read that Jews have a religious injunction to avoid being counted in any census or serve in a nation’s military. In Tsarist Russia Jews did all they could to avoid the draft. The Haredim even in Israel resist serving in the military, tho a few do. I don’t know the exact source of this injunction.

    It is odd that so many Jews wherever they live change their names to sound like local citizens altho many if not most still regard Jews as a nation without borders n not as true local citizens. Perhaps this answers why.

  254. @anarchyst

    110 makes a good slogan. Someone should print it on T shirts.

  255. @Uncoy

    Don’t forget the words of the sociopath George Soros aka Georgy Shwartz: If I had taken social consequences into account I would have made less money. There is the Jewish Achilles heel in a nutshell. Anyone with this kind of anti-social attitude should be expelled at once

  256. @Francis Miville

    Interesting post. Definitely food for thought, especially the allusion to Carthage.

  257. USA1943 says:
    @anarchyst

    Ali’s Grandfather was Irish, He Would not have existed if his Grandfather had not had Interracial Sex, Same with Alex Haley, Malcolm X, Louis Farakahn and probably 90% of American Blacks.

  258. @Corvinus

    This reminds me of the Turkey Scenario. A turkey mocks the other turkeys for spreading rumors about their friendly farmer, saying: I’ve lived in peace n plenty all my life n nothing has ever happened to me, so you are fools for thinking something bad could ever happen. The next day was Thanksgiving n the farmer took the turkey behind the shed.

    Just because something hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t. The water is running steadily beneath the ice.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  259. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Right, leave it to someone else rather than take matters into your own hands. Again, I’ve heard this for decades. You and your ilk fortunately lack the T and the guile to actually do something about it. Why even pretend?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  260. ZMan reviews Murray and pinpoints the pointlessness of the book:

    …Murray is the most brilliant example of the modern conservative. He fully embraces the morality of the other side, while complaining about how they are implementing their morality.

    Murray’s prattling on about the fraudulent but now dominant “American Creed” and his fear of White identity guts the value of his data.

    The moralism of Whites is our great Achille’s heel, “caring” about groups of people who not only don’t care about us but who actively loathe us.

    Most of us will never wake up.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  261. @AndrewR

    This is idiotic advice. Whites have been trying to make common cause against the powers that be with non whites for decades and they regularly burn down our cities.

    The only answer is for whites to openly demand that non whites show what they bring to the table as a group. If it is found they only bring their appetites the whole group needs to be deported to back where they belong. Non whites are painting white people with a broad brush and its time for us to do the same.

    The word for whites who are still trying to make common cause with non whites is traitor.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  262. @Corvinus

    If you believe fat and happy people are going to rebel you are low IQ. The USA is still a great place to live. Its easy to get money and there are still tons of things to spend it on. If the cupboards were bare and the grocery stores empty and white people were doing nothing then maybe your statement would have meaning. As of now it is simply the ranting of a low IQ individual who has very little critical thinking skills.

  263. What Charles Murray doesn’t understand is that the Left’s goal is to continue to push the button with radical activism and then to claim to be the victim when the right lashes out.

  264. @IronForge

    I will leave the USA; and will not raise a Family in the USA, or send Children to School here.

    While you’re at it, you might also want to stop the random capitalization of words in your writing.

    • LOL: John Johnson
  265. @Corvinus

    I’ve done plenty. Maybe you’ll learn exactly what eventually.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  266. @EliteCommInc.

    “Whether IQ is a trait resulting from biology or something learned remains a matter of substantial debate.”

    The moment that the egg gets impregnated and becomes an embryo, our unique biological traits are set. Our hair color, bone density, muscular strength, height etc etc. This includes our neurons and their reaction to environment. The brain is also set and everything that the physical brain is capable of.

    Now of course if your parents put you in a closet and fed you sugar soda and candy, you of course will not achieve your full genetic potential. If you had the potential to be six feet tall and you parents mis fed you then of course you might wind up to be only 5 foot 6 inches tall. If you had the potential for an IQ of 110 then of course your IQ would lets say wind up to be only 85.

    Food and nutrition of course are not a problem in the USA because almost all food is nutritionally fortifies and protein is very inexpensive and widely available. Black people in the USA are some of the most overfed and overweight people in the world. So obviously food is not a problem.

    SO I’ll go with the idea that IQ is 80% heritable and environment is responsible for the rest. I would say 100% but there could be other factors such as genetic disorders, mutations.

    So yes we are baked into the cake during the embryonic stage.

    • Replies: @Art
  267. @EliteCommInc.

    In the army a soldier with an IQ of 85, 90 could do a reasonable job repairing and maintaining vehicles.

  268. @Sin City Milla

    “You need to investigate further. 200 Hollywood executives control 90% of all media n entertainment in the US, Almost all are Jews. 51% of the professors at Harvard law school are Jews. 35% of the Harvard student body are Jews, like most Ivy League”

    The same situation existed in Weimar Germany. Jewish people were massively over-represented in all fields of German social and economic life even thought they were only roughly 1 to 2 % of the total German population. And that’s when the shit hit the fan.

  269. Corvinus says:
    @Dr ExCathedra

    “The moralism of Whites is our great Achille’s heel, “caring” about groups of people who not only don’t care about us but who actively loathe us.”

    How do you exactly measure this “moralism of whites” compared to non-whites? More importantly, how do you define “anti-white”?

  270. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “I’ve done plenty. Maybe you’ll learn exactly what eventually.”

    We’ve all done plenty in our lives. But are you willing to stop the invasion dead in its tracks now, or simply talk about it?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  271. MEH 0910 says:

  272. Nikelaus says:
    @onebornfree

    That would require eliminating all welfare, because of its hugely disproportionate use by some groups as opposed to others.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  273. Charles Schumer, Democrat party leader,
    (you may remember him as the guy who DID NOT, say a single thing about ANTIFA, BLM and other thugs–rioting killing, burning down businesses last summer), JUST ANNNOUNCED that there “is a rot at the center of the Republican party”. Yeah man, as president Corn pop would say, that’s what Charles said.

  274. Nikelaus says:
    @Priss Factor

    The vast majority of male Latin Americans, from what I’ve read of genetic studies, carry Iberian Y-chromosomes. If male descendants of Spanish and Portuguese patrons repeatedly banged native women generation after generation, and native males were prevented from breeding, as appears to have been the case, that would result in millions of male individuals with majority native DNA carrying European (i.e. Latin) paternal Y-chromosomes. Interesting phenomenon.

  275. Art says:
    @europeasant

    So yes we are baked into the cake during the embryonic stage.

    Not totally true. Read the science on growing up in a traumatic cultural environment.

    Growing up black in America can be very traumatic. Consistent cultural trauma can make you stupid – and rob you of your God given intelligence.

    Stress causes chemical changes in DNA – family trauma expert

    https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco-visionaries/516619-mark-wolynn-inherited-family-trauma/

    • Replies: @europeasant
  276. @Art

    “Growing up black in America can be very traumatic. Consistent cultural trauma can make you stupid – and rob you of your God given intelligence”

    Another excuse. Europeans underwent World War Two and Word War One. Up to 80 million killed not to mention the wounded ,distressed etc. We don’t make excuses but apparently the Africans have new excuses every day. Itz the genetics with minor influence from environment.

    BTW, are you European of African, Just wondering who’s been brainwashing you.

    White poor people outscore black rich people on SAT, ACT tests etc.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @Art
  277. Fr. John says:

    Take-aways.

    1) We were right in 1860 being against Lincoln’s cult, and we’re still right, today.
    2) the N-words do NOT belong here
    3) Whites are superior, and need to be left alone in the lands historically apportioned to them.
    4) Yankee (read Jewish/Unitarian/Feminazi/Capitalist) America is the White Man’s Enemy.

    5) Most of all….”There is really nothing to criticize about Murray’s presentation of the evidence for his “two truths about race in America,” although it will certainly be ignored by those who most need to face up to that evidence.”

    We either secede, or we go to war. There is no other valid alternative.
    “The Second Civil War began on a hot August day in Charlottesville, 2017..”. – Me.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  278. JackOH says:
    @europeasant

    Spot on, europeasant. I worked with a very charming Black woman who once claimed: “Black folks were better able to survive the Depression because they, Blacks, had been long used to coping with suffering.”

    I replied: “Marcie, have you ever heard of WWII? That was mostly a White folks’ thing in Europe with White folks whomping all over each others shit. They tidied up the mess they’d made, then moved on.”

    Maybe I ought to have added there were no scenes of Europeans jumping out of buildings in despair in 1945, because there were no buildings to jump out of then. Gratuitous that would have been, and the irony of White folks suffering immensely more than American Blacks would have escaped her.

    • Agree: Bubba
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  280. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “Stay tuned”.

    Code for you’ll continue to bitch and moan about matters, but won’t do a damn thing about it.

  281. Corvinus says:
    @Fr. John

    “We either secede, or we go to war. There is no other valid alternative.”

    Actually, there is a third reasonable option–we make our own decisions about race and culture, and not be virtue signaled to death by our alleged social betters.

  282. Art says:
    @europeasant

    “Growing up black in America can be very traumatic. Consistent cultural trauma can make you stupid – and rob you of your God given intelligence”

    Another excuse.

    After two hundred years of slavery, one hundred years of Jim Crow, and 50 years of black family destruction by liberals – it is undeniable that blacks have been psychologically and intellectually damaged in America. To expect blacks to be shining faultless fully integrated citizens, is just intellectual folly.

    The difficulty of growing up black in America is more then real – it is a historical fact. Not having empathy for the black situation in America, puts one in the uncivil side of right and wrong.

    Pounding one’s chest and shouting I am intellectually superior – is for people who manifest feelings of personal inferiority.

    • Troll: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Patrick McNally
  283. @Art

    The only distinctive difficulty among US blacks for the 50 years has been the fact that black women cannot stand sexual competition from non-black women. As a result black women have sought to sexually incentivize abnormally high levels of violent crime among black males with the expectation that this should discourage sexual encroachment by non-black females. However once this results in the objective fact of more black male crimes leading to more black males arrested, they feel the need to throw people off the scent by screeching “systemic racism!” That in turn has the new effect of romanticizing the black male criminals and hence encouraging some potential sexual interest by non-black females. To keep this from undoing the previous steps, black females typically double down on both opening their legs for some of the worst thugs while screeching “racism” a mile a minute.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Art
  284. Art says:
    @Patrick McNally

    The only distinctive difficulty among US blacks for the 50 years has been the fact that black women cannot stand sexual competition from non-black women.

    Clearly black men and black women have their cultural marriage problems. They will never be a stable people, until they fix their family difficulties. Clearly the black man must take the role of husband, father, and provider, and the black woman must let them.

    With that said, as a connected society, their difficulties become ours. Our goodwill is essential in fixing these cultural problems.

    • Troll: anarchyst
  285. “With that said, as a connected society, their difficulties become ours. Our goodwill is essential in fixing these cultural problems”

    I am tired of hearing about excuses. My own people were serfs( a form of slavery) up until 1800. We never bitch or complain about that. The Africans are in control of the entire city ( Mayor, Police chief, District attorney, courts, County etc.) of 2.7 million people. Plus the state ( Lt Governor, state attorney). The Africans are responsible for 70% of the crime committed in this city and the jails, prisons are filled with them. The African will not be happy until he has the whip at our backs. The population of Africans in the USA are about 40 million and growing. But wait, There are another 1.2 billion waiting in Africa. We are at a low level conflict and soon you will have to choose who’s side you will be on. They are free to live and walk in our side of the city but just try and take a walk on Madison and Chicago avenues after the sun goes down and see how far you get.
    Wake up. BTW you should do some research on African crime a 150 years ago in cities like Philadelphia and that might wake you up.

  286. Anonymous[103] • Disclaimer says:
    @Timothy Madden

    This is stupid. The built in charge is going to be there wether you pay with a credit card or not.

    Not using your credit card doesn’t make it go away-unless the business charges extra for credit card use..

  287. No of course not. That’s the point.

    What the card-issuers call their “No discrimination Rule” requires merchants to employ a “uniform sticker-price scheme” so as to conceal both the fact and amount of the concealed-credit-charge or nominal Merchant Fee. The bulk of the concealed-fee amounts received by the card-issuers from the card-users are directly subsided by cash, check, and debit-card users. The merchant is required by the banks / card-issuers to recover their relative losses from the price-discounts that they have to give to card-users, through a uniform single-sticker-price system that spreads out or assigns the costs of it to a higher nominal sticker-price for everyone.

    I agree with your observation that there is no gain to the individual card-user from having knowledge of it if they can’t do anything about it. But the thing is to learn to see it from the perspective of how much the card-issuers are receiving as unjust enrichment, instead of attempting to identify from whom they are really receiving it.

    In the case of the Boston restaurant owner, he was required to give his customers who wanted to pay via amex a 5% price discount off his menu or sticker price (and, say, 4% for visa, and 3% for m/c). But the $40,000 a year that he was losing to amex-price-discounts, and likely more by total amounts to visa and m/c price-discounts, they all had to be recovered through a uniform menu price, and they are not allowed to mention either the fact or amount of it to anyone.

    It is like a coordinated attack by a foreign power on the country’s ability to do commerce. It cripples small business because the average overall 3% rake-off is from the gross revenue of the business. It can easily represent 20% of the gross profitability of the business. If it were found to be orchestrated by the bank of china or the bank of iran then it would be an act of war. It is no less ruinous to the economic potential of the country just because it is being orchestrated by private financial corporations.

    Hope it helps.

  288. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Nikelaus

    Yes, of course. All “affirmative action” laws , and all welfare for individuals, groups, Inc’s, ( domestic or foreign), and for any/all foreign nations ( e.g. Israel).

    All of it must go, “in one fell swoop”, no exceptions, ASAP.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  289. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl

    “The things that have motivated people throughout history such as the desire to transmit property to one’s descendants, the desire to preserve your heritage, the family, the nation state – all of these things are considered abhorrent”.

    But those things are happening, especially among my kind, which is white. It’s just you personally disagree with how we are making our own decisions in those areas you listed.

    • Replies: @epochehusserl
  290. Corvinus says:
    @onebornfree

    Unless you are willing to do something about it, your words ring hollow.

  291. @Corvinus

    Honestly I have never benefitted from communicating you in any way, shape, or form. I don’t think you have ever offered me anything except antagonism. If you are indeed white then you are a fine example of why I do not like anti-discrimination laws – because some people are so horrible, stupid, foolish or immorality the only sensible thing to say to such people is “please keep away from me as far as possible. You and I cannot get along. Nothing good will come from us interacting.” I am certain there are many people on this site who do not like anything that you have ever said.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  292. Corvinus says:
    @epochehusserl

    “I don’t think you have ever offered me anything except antagonism”.

    I didn’t realize that offering counterpoints to your assertions is equates to antagonism in your eyes.

    “If you are indeed white then you are a fine example of why I do not like anti-discrimination laws – because some people are so horrible, stupid, foolish or immorality the only sensible thing to say to such people is “please keep away from me as far as possible. You and I cannot get along. Nothing good will come from us interacting”.

    So are you inferring that I am “horrible, stupid, foolish, and immoral” merely for exercising my liberty to look out for my own people, however I define them? If yes, that is irrational thinking on your part.

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