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During my morning read-through of The Unz Review on Thursday, I saw my own name in a headline: “Coronavirus: Greg Johnson Debates Andrew Anglin.” The piece, by one Brad Griffin, was a minute by minute response to my recent coronavirus discussion with Greg Johnson, where Greg took the position that the virus is very dangerous and that the government was right to lock us all down, and I took the position that the virus is very similar to the flu, and that the government lockdown doesn’t work and is a massive overreach which will lead to complete economic collapse and usher in a new form of totalitarian governance.

Griffin’s response was a histrionic gotcha manifesto, with the premise that everything I said was wrong, and needed to be aggressively corrected with vitriol and mainstream media talking points in defense of this brutal new safety regime.

Neither myself nor Brad Griffin are credentialed virologists or epidemiologists. Brad Griffin is saying that Dr. John Ioannidis, along with an army of other virologists and epidemiologists are wrong, and I’m saying that Anthony Fauci and Neil Ferguson are wrong. The bottom line is that there is no reason that either of us should be taken especially seriously when we talk of scientific data. We are effectively doing no more than pointing to experts. Unlike Brad Griffin, I do not condescendingly pretend to be an expert. The reason I agreed to “debate” Greg (it was really more of a friendly discussion of a disagreement) was primarily for entertainment purposes. We’re all locked in our houses, Greg and I are both infamous internet personalities, and I figured it would be fun for my audience and his to listen to us share our differing opinions on the situation dominating all of our lives. I certainly did not expect to change any minds.

While I felt it was appropriate to offer a response to Brad Griffin, I am a self-respecting adult and I have no interest in playing gotcha. People who are going to believe in Griffin’s new definition of case fatality rate (which he uses to claim coronavirus has a 19% mortality rate), that the case fatality rate is determined by lockdown measures, or that the flu has never caused complications for the heart, intestines, brain, liver or kidneys, are not going to stop believing because I posted a link, or called Brad Griffin a mean name, or posted an unflattering photo of him, or accused him of being mentally ill.

The decision of whether or not to embrace coronamania is not based on statistical analysis of the specific number of nursing home residents or obese black people that are likely to die. We are witnessing a mass hysteria. It is collective temporary insanity induced by the media. The gulf between skeptics and true believers is underlined by personal disposition; those who are inclined to prioritize personal responsibility, freedom and suspicion of authority are pushing back against the lockdown, while those who are prone to neuroticism, risk aversion, safety prioritization and trust in authority are embracing the hysteria. For most people, the data becomes simply a post-hoc rationalization for a position that was already determined by their psychological profile. Given the masculine/feminine dichotomy, it has also become a partisan political issue, which has poisoned any public debate over the merits of the various claims.

What is worth examination are the core concepts that true believer Brad Griffin is delivering behind his seething gotcha barrage. As some people hopefully remember, the initial stated purpose of this lockdown was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That’s what “flatten the curve” meant. These were measures intended to draw out the number of cases over a longer period of time. That is to say, there was no plan to “save lives.” As it is now clear and admitted by all parties involved that the hospitals are not overwhelmed, and in fact the nurses from these hospitals have time to go out and protest against people who want their lives back and to do choreographed dance routines for TikTok. The narrative has now made a phoenixlike transformation into “we’re keeping you safe from yourselves.” That is the narrative Brad Griffin is promoting. He is saying that the utterly corrupt and criminal Zionist Occupation Government of the United States has a right to deprive Americans of our most basic freedoms in the name of protecting us from the theoretical consequences of our own decisions. This government, according to Brad Griffin, has a duty to destroy the livelihoods of the entirety of the middle class in America in the name of a safety mandate. The fact that the virus is not anything like what Imperial College London claimed it was or the fact that the lockdown has been an absolute joke, which began with the Surgeon General of the United States telling the public that they were more likely to be infected if they wore masks, are side issues in a much larger ideological divide.

It is my assertion that if Brad Griffin is as scared of this virus as he appears to be, he could have locked himself in his house. There was no one keeping him from doing so. There was no need for him and people like him to force the rest of us to go along with their neurosis. As a healthy and athletic 35-year-old, I am not at risk for dying. According to the CDC’s own numbers, I have less than a 1 in 1000 chance of dying, even if I get sick enough to go to the hospital. This is approximately the same risk I have of dying from drowning or burning to death in a fire. By CDC math, I am ten times more likely to die in a car crash than I am to die of the coronavirus. For me personally, the coronavirus falls squarely into the category of “acceptable risks.” I believe that I had a right to make that choice. However, here I sit, locked in my house, because people like Brad Griffin lobbied for this insane experiment.

This government that Brad Griffin demands we hand over total control of our lives to has overseen the mass import and distribution of opioid drugs, which are now killing 70,000 people a year. This government refuses virtually any regulation of the food industry, which leads to the deaths of 650,000 people every year from heart disease. This government sent thousands of young Americans to die in Iraq and Afghanistan for the purpose of forwarding the regional goals of Israel, based on a series of hoaxes. It’s very difficult for me to buy the idea that this government is particularly concerned about my health.

Ezekiel Emmanuel, a dual Democrat political operative and credentialed expert, has been a prime evangelist for this lockdown. He was at the forefront of changing the narrative from “prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed” to “we must continue the lockdown until the virus is eradicated.” He is currently serving as Joe Biden’s chief advisor on medical issues. While developing Barack Obama’s healthcare plan, Emmanuel was the core proponent of what became known as “death panels,” a policy that would limit end of life care for the elderly in the name of prioritizing the greater good of society. And he is now concerned about old people dying of the flu?

Brad Griffin claimed in his gotcha manifesto that anyone who even dares ask questions about whether or not it is desirable to surrender all control of our lives to this government, all the way down to our ability to feed ourselves, is a “libertarian.” I assert that even if you actually believed that this coronavirus is a Biblical plague, that the only possible solution to it is to lock everyone in their houses (while also letting them gather whenever they want at supermarkets), including healthy young people whose chance of experiencing complications from the virus is statistically nonexistent, and you were fine with sacrificing the entire economy, putting what will probably amount to at least 50% of the population out of work, destroying virtually all small businesses, creating a massive new homeless population that is going to number in the millions and vastly inflating the suicide and drug abuse rates – even then, it would be appropriate to ask if this government is going to take advantage of this situation.

Brad Griffin’s position is that we all just need to shut up and do as we’re told.

While claiming that there is no chance whatsoever that the government will exploit this situation, Brad Griffin also takes the position that this will not collapse the economy. He’s the only person on the entire internet I’ve seen saying that. The fun part is, whereas we will never know if we would have had as easy of a time as Sweden if we did as they did and refused the lockdown, we are going to know very soon whether the government is going to agree to give us all of our Constitutional rights back and whether or not the economy has collapsed. You will all be able to come back here and see my position in contrast with Brad Griffin’s position, and decide who was right and who was wrong.

I have no idea why Brad Griffin and the rest of the costumed neo-Nazi community is promoting a total surrender to the government in the name of safety. Some people might say, “the COINTELPRO chief should be fired, because this has gotten ridiculous.”

I won’t say that. I’ll just say this: Brad Griffin, you are not my mommy. I already have a mommy. In fact, we all have mommies. We all love our mommies, but none of us are looking for a second mommy.

 
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  1. Great reply Andrew, but I’m not sure his piece was worth that much effort.

    Even the shitty Bolshevik WHO agrees with you that Sweden did the right thing.

    You got it right, along with Ramz, Ron Paul, Red Ice, and a host of legitimate scientists.

  2. I’d give somebody’s left nut and two months’ salary if Andrew would post stuff like this at Stormer, instead of flogging dark nihilism, abusing THOTs and laughing like Joaquin’s Joker.

    He used to be seriously funny. (((They))) crushed him, ironically like Lenny Bruce.

    P.S.: Gotta get DS comments back on the main web, fren.

  3. MB says: • Website

    Dunno Andrew. This is not rocket science and we all doesn’t have to be Werner Von Einsteins (sic) to figure it out. Because if nobody is an expert, but the experts, so what?

    It’s called jujitsu.
    IOW are the so called experts self consistent and coherent?

    Rather, the WHO/CDC organizations and the IMHE and Imperial College reports are bought and paid for hirelings of Bill Gates. The same who took how many times and versions before he got Windows right?
    Fauci in 2000 was still calling AIDS a plague threatening the world and likewise the 2009 Swine Flu.
    (That something that was transmitted by sticking something in your arm or up the poop chute was supposed to seriously threaten heterosexuals who weren’t drug addicts passed expert peer review is par for the course.)

    Likewise for anybody who has lived through the Asian, Hong Kong, Swine, Bird, Nile River, Zika, AIDS, Ebola, SARS, MERS etc. epidemics, some herd immunity has been developed regarding the Chicken Little/Boy Who Cried Wolf fairy tale

    So at first it was 2-3 Million – even with mitigation i.e. cower in place/anti-social distancing etc. – then 100-200 k and now 60-80k which is a bad flu season. Hmmm.

    Neither does “flattening the curve” reduce the overall numbers. It only spreads them out. So now the hospitals are empty/going broke.
    And we’re going to empty the jails so the criminals don’t get sick there is room for all the people that don’t wear masks.

    But what I really want to know is if there really is a mask shortage, how come nobody has snitched on Antifa and the KKK. It would seem that this is the time for them to come into their own as the real heros of the debacle. (Nah, cops and robbers is only for kids.)

    IOW give me liberty or six feet and a mask blindfold so we’ll shut up/suck it up.

    cheers,

    The Emperor Has No Clothes/Long Live the Emperor.

  4. Zoomer says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Is that you, Mike Enoch?

    Your misrepresentation of Daily Stormer content drives the curious to dailystormer.ru.

    Your Federal snitches, and costumed Nazi freaks, at TRS have no influence. No one in nationalism has an appetite for feminism, defeatism, and Coronacaustianity.

    • Agree: Sunshine, Haxo Angmark
    • Disagree: Roderick Spode
  5. MB says: • Website

    As for mommies, does Anderson Cooper’s kid got a mommy like everybody else?
    Really Anderson? How does that work?

    And can we be sure that Anderson didn’t get cucked by his husband and he’s not the real father of junior?

    IOW maybe covidiocy had precursors and forbears in that if you don’t have a mommy, it’s crap shoot and all bets are off when it comes to the flu season.

  6. Wow… Anglin grew up. Great piece.

  7. anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Even the shitty Bolshevik WHO agrees with you that Sweden did the right thing.

    What exactly do you think they did?

    All is Not What it Seems in Sweden

    Contrary to impressions created in American media, the country’s approach to the pandemic has not been so ‘relaxed.’

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/all-is-not-what-it-seems-in-sweden/

    The reality is that you’ll get what you want. Because you guys lied about this and advocated doing nothing until it was too late, it can no longer be contained in this country. But don’t pretend it isn’t happening. Don’t say “it’s just the flu, bro” … because it’ll be the worst flu we’ve seen during our lifetimes. Obviously, hundreds of thousands will die now … and all because you wanted to go out and play. Other countries disagreed and not so many will die:

    New Zealand health official claims ‘elimination’ of coronavirus as new cases hit single digits

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/04/28/coronavirus-new-zealand-health-official-claims-elimination-virus/3038321001/

    But whatever. 170,000 deaths by August. Just how do you sociopaths define “doomer”? Sounds bad to me.

    COVID-19 Projections Using Machine Learning

    https://covid19-projections.com/

  8. Antonia says:

    Great article and much needed common sense. He’s the great philosopher of our time, that Mr. Anglin.

    • LOL: Rosie
  9. Sentry says:

    As another commenter said, Anglin grew up. And thank God he did. Nobody else in this sphere is as biting, funny and honest as he is. And nobody’s sacrificed more.

    If you want yet another hot take about the holocaust, go see Mike Enoch. But if you want uncomfortable truths packaged in hilarity, read Anglin.

    Talking about this flu, the lockdowns, and the fallout to come is the most important thing we can be doing right now.

    Also, donating to the Daily Stormer.

    • Agree: Maple Curtain, GeeBee
  10. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    I’d give somebody’s left nut and two months’ salary if Andrew would post stuff like this at Stormer, instead of flogging dark nihilism, abusing THOTs and laughing like Joaquin’s Joker.

    Anglin could crank out ten of these kinds of pieces in the time it takes Brad Griffin to “analyze” a debate and make the wrong conclusions.

    He’s a one-man wrecking ball who doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  11. @anon

    Fuck you shitdick moron.

    I don’t RUN the government, IDIOT.

    If I did run the government I would have closed the borders immediately and none of this would have happened.

    You have shit for brains.

    AS IF me and Andrew Anglin set national policy!

    How fucking STOOOOOOOOOOOOPID are you?

    Don’t answer.

    I don’t wanna know.

    Sweden was RIGHT, and you are WRONG.

    • Thanks: schnellandine
    • Replies: @Inverness
  12. Anonymous[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @MB

    As for mommies, does Anderson Cooper’s kid got a mommy like everybody else?
    Really Anderson? How does that work?

    Yes, except that the mommy will have a penis.

    • Replies: @Alden
  13. Trinity says:

    Those damn (((doomers.))) Whatcha goin’ to do? Stay thirsty, my friends.

  14. 313Chris says:

    Brad Griffin is a fat, cowardly, treacherous, schizophrenic trustfund baby who is being leveraged with the threat of federal hate crimes charges into shilling for Democratic governors and their unconstitutional overreach.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  15. Smith says:

    Wow, Andrew Anglin is featured on Unz now?

    • Replies: @DICARLO
    , @Old and Grumpy
  16. @Tangible Freedom

    He’s a one-man wrecking ball who doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves.

    A writing machine, the appearance of which at UR has made my week. Hope he is able to do so regularly. Go, AA!

    DS is not the DS of 2017, though it may be even funnier. Andrew has been more consistently correct of late than nearly every other political opinion emitter—the master of grinding-wheel irony and sandblasting.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  17. Neither myself nor Brad Griffin are…

    Not sure if are or is is right here, but myself is definitely wrong. Can anybody think of a sentence in which myself is a subject? It’s like a 300 game in duckpin. One thing that would help with grammar is a return of courtesy– third, second, and only then first person. As the nuns taught us, “‘Jesus, others, yourself’ adds up to J-O-Y.”

    The Internet doesn’t need censors, but editors would be useful.

    …credentialed virologists or epidemiologists. Brad Griffin is saying that Dr. John Ioannidis, along with an army of other virologists and epidemiologists are wrong, and I’m saying that Anthony Fauci and Neil Ferguson are wrong. The bottom line is that there is no reason that either of us should be taken especially seriously when we talk of scientific data. We are effectively doing no more than pointing to experts.

    We could use a little more humility at the moment. Right now we have two schools of experts each saying “we know everything” and implying “they know nothing”. I haven’t been following the scientists themselves, but all the pundits who have chosen sides are turning nasty with one another.

    When Donald Trump is the politest and most moderate voice in a conversation, then something is wrong.

  18. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    At the end of the day, neither are right. The Virus is more deadly than the flu, yet it is less transmissible than what was originally thought(Anglin’s favorite country China Beat it, Remember?). All provinces except Wuhan had re-opened at the end of February. The US economy will re-open and there won’t be a great depression, but a recession. It was never “Just the Flu” nor was it “The Plague”, it was something in between.

    The government lockdown down was a “hand-brake” to analyze the situation, just as any government would do in an emergency. The results are now in, and we can re-open. No one is ever 100% right on either side of a complex argument.

  19. @MB

    And can we be sure that Anderson didn’t get cucked by his husband and he’s not the real father of junior?

    Anderson apparently has no “husband” nor other “partner”. This suggests that little Wyatt Morgan is likely Anderson’s spawn, and Wyatt Emory Cooper’s only blood grandchild.

    I read Wyatt Cooper’s Families back when it came out. No one could have imagined then the future of the little boys portrayed– a future suicide (possibly iatrogenic) and a future homo.

    “Heather has two mommies” can be read “Heather has no daddy”. Wyatt has no mommy, just an aging dad and a couple of elderly, reclusive half-uncles. Who will he have to turn to?

    Okay, I sired kids in my fifties, too. But naturally, which means at least one of their parents is still young. And both of whom are in their lives.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  20. thordaddy says:

    The ”Hunter” celled-out having been infected by Tort.

    Anglin’s been hitting grand slam after grand slam on this Covid-19 scam.

    It’s a mass murder, man.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  21. AA has a fine intellect, is a superb and prolific writer who is one of the leaders of our time.

    Brad Griffin is an envious momma’s boy who would love to send AA and people like him to the gulag, or worse.

  22. Rahan says:

    “histrionic gotcha manifesto” is an excellent descriptor of what all of mainstream media, left and right, has turned into.

    Anyway, bravo to Mr. Anglin. Like most people, I may only agree with the opinions lurking behind the performance art culture jamming salvos up to say 20%, but he is hands down one of today’s best writers. Aaalmost the “Hunter Thompson meets Bill Hicks” of the 21st century.

    If the system stopped trying to crush Mr. Anglin, and actually allowed him to slow down and work with a pro editor, instead of churning out breathless flying kicks across the full spectrum, he’d be the Tom Wolfe of today. And would probably be a bit more mellow too, instead of maintaining a constant ninja cyborg commando berserker trance.

    Speaking of which: let’s hope he takes adequate care of himself. The age of 35 is basically the time when the inherited life energy (taken for granted by most people) is used up, and it’s time to constantly accumulate and manage new life energy. Not bungling this transitional period means having a healthy and strong middle age and then senior years. This includes adrenal gland management.

    BTW, *that’s* the real current link https://dailystormer.su/

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  23. Keep the dialogue rollin’. Better than bullets, right?

  24. Exile says:

    “This government that Brad Griffin demands we hand over total control of our lives to…”

    That’s stretching what Brad said a lot further than his own words, but drama is what AA does.

    More melodrama and sh*t-stirring from the Perez Hilton of the “whatever-he-wants-to-call-it-today Right.”

    As for AA/Weev vs. Griffin, Enoch, etc… it’s usually the guy who cries “Fed” first who ends up being the (((FellowRight))). And physiognomy is real.

    • Replies: @313Chris
  25. Adelaar says:

    Great reply to a pathetic article. There seem to be some misconceptions about Andrew Anglin and his analytical abilities, thanks to his humorous writing style. I’d recommend for everyone to check out his stuff over at the dailystormer.su , best pop writer alive.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  26. Dumbo says:

    Wow, first time I find a reasonable text by Anglin that I can agree with.

    Sweden did the right thing.

    Actually the only thing that Sweden did that was different was keep schools and bars/cafes mostly open, and leave “social distancing” at people’s discretion. Which may not be much but was great, treating adults more like, well, adults.

    But it’s not true that “everything was normal”, nor that the economy didn’t suffer.

    Also, I’ve read that about 50% of Swedes live alone, which is a very different reality from Italy and Spain, where there are more old people as well, so that really explains the mortality difference more than any “lockdown” or not “lockdown”, which I don’t think made that much difference.

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  27. We are witnessing a mass hysteria. It is collective temporary insanity induced by the media. The gulf between skeptics and true believers is underlined by personal disposition; those who are inclined to prioritize personal responsibility, freedom and suspicion of authority are pushing back against the lockdown, while those who are prone to neuroticism, risk aversion, safety prioritization and trust in authority are embracing the hysteria.

    Anglin’s ‘Coronavirus Personality Syndrome’ hits paydirt. And it’s just the tip of the iceberg. A pious, power-hungry coalition has formed: ambitious politicians, government-funded health care celebrities, assorted do-gooders, and status-hungry media operatives. It’s a stomach-turning spectacle to be sure.

    Resistance fortunately is on the rise.

    The health threat of COVID-19 (due to widespread but unacknowledged comorbidities), have been shamelessly distorted by Big Medicine and MSM alike.

    Fact: healthy people under 50 have virtually no risk of dying from this disease. Maybe it’s time for the old and infirm self-quarantine (if they wish.) But let the young, healthy and strong get on with their lives.

    The media-driven Coronavirus lockdown on the other hand has become an usurpation of power. The winners are: Big Government and Big Media.

    Is it a black swan?–or Black Op?

    I will not be acquiescing to, or buying into, the ‘new normal’. Give me a break. Sell that Kool Aid to the nervous Nellies out there who actually enjoy being instructed about how to think and what to do. ‘It’s all for our own good’, they assure us. That’s what the commies of yesteryear said.

    Leave freedom-loving peoples be.

    We’ve been warned about the contagion. That’s enough. Now it’s time for rational adults to make choices. We are individuals. Liberty matters. This is not communist China.

    Anyway, Andrew Anglin’s got a lot of style, bravado (from what I hear) and substance. I look forward to seeing more of him on UNZ.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Bro43rd
    , @Montefrío
  28. Max Payne says:

    For people like Brad Griffin this is probably the most exciting thing that has happened in their lives. They probably are the same illiterate cows masking right now. Everyone likes to play nurse and fool around with PPE (everyone that is under the age of 6 years old that is).

    Everyone who actually has any experience in anything knows how much of a nothing burger this is. If it was as lethal as they say it is (2 weeks to manifest symptoms, 3 weeks to become near fatal) a lot more of the world population would have dropped (yeah supply chains are a lot more interconnected then people like to believe). But hey. Apparently I don’t understand math, just like all those models that predicted utter doom.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  29. New Zealand is apples to oranges. It’s a smaller country with a smaller number of people entering on a daily basis. Yes, border/lockdown appears to have stopped the virus in its tracks. But would that work in America? Even if we closed weeks earlier than we did, lots of infected people would’ve gotten through by that point and started spreading it. Moot point anyway since the virus is here and can’t be stopped. The quarantine is just needless economic destruction.

    Remember, New Zealand must stay closed until vaccine is developed because they have no herd immunity. If even one infected person gets through, it will start spreading again. With an economy so dependent on tourism, they will suffer. They might be delaying the inevitable if the virus mutates and gets through when they reopen.

    Andrew Anglin is the Pope of the AltRight. He is infallible.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  30. Inverness says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Speaking of histrionics, your profanity-laden tirade does you no favors. If you’re trying to make your stance look reasonable, you’re failing miserably. Probably should leave the arguing to Mr. Anglin. And just about anyone else, for that matter.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @DICARLO
    , @Yusef
  31. So the real question is still to be answer. What is there to be done?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  32. The wonderful thing about this virus is that it has become the MOST fertile ground for conspiracy theories, possibly ever. It puts 9/11 & JFK into the shade.
    Best of all, there is NO side to the debate that is not open to conspiracy.
    Who’d like to guess at the # of books etc to be published on it in the next 5 years? Them’s gold in dem yonder hills…. (bit of gold around now, too … if you’re a bank, a big Co etc)

    • Agree: Hibernian
  33. Clown-Nazi vs Nanny-KKK.

    Too funny.

  34. Tucker says:

    A great piece of work by Andrew Anglin.

    Brad Griffin is a perfect illustration of how successful our #1 (((enemy))) has been in their decades long agenda to feminize the White American male.

    As I was reading this excellent evisceration of Griffin – in my mind, I was remembering that famous photo that made its rounds on the Internet a few years ago – where some black thug was demanding that a wimpy White male take off his pants and fork over his sneakers, and the wimpy White male was obediently doing exactly that. Brad Griffin could easily be that same kind of feminized, subservient, emasculated White male.

  35. I thought you, AA, No. 11, are in exile in Nigeria. So they’ve got a lockdown there too, have they? The US and the CDC has nothing to do with that; if you’re holed up indoors it’s courtesy of the Nigerian government. Still feel for the old country, eh?

  36. @MB

    … Bill Gates. The same who took how many times and versions before he got Windows right?

    Trick question … Windows has never gotten right.

    As for the dueling experts, it reminds me of the Dueling Banjos scene from Deliverance, but with uncomfortable realisation that its the ordinary folk playing the part of Ned Beatty somewhere down the line.

  37. One thing for sure is that Anglin is a lot more concise and readable on this

    Whereas Brad Griffin aka Hunter Wallace (his nom de plume) – who has shown in the past he can turn some succinct good phrases – is getting absurdly long-winded and unreadable in his desperation to maintain his obsession on this

    Griffin seems unable to digest or engage with the contrary data … it is somewhat torpedoing his website, Brad now strangely being Mr Total Covid Establishment, despite his already being slammed by the leftist cadres as a beyond-the-plale WN extremist dissident

    Wonder what’s next here, tho, with this first posting by Anglin on Unz Review … will Ron Unz be hosting the archives of ‘Memetic Mondays’ from the Stormer?

    One classic pic of Andrew Anglin at home:

  38. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    Regardless of what Andrew Anglin has to say, understand that the Daily Stormer is a CIA honeypot.

    You’ve been warned.

  39. GeeBee says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Neither/nor means, in essence, ‘not the one and not the other’. Thus ‘neither I nor Brad Griffin is right’. We deal with singular entities, whose characteristics are being compared as singular entities.

    As for ‘myself’ as a single subject, it’s impossible. The only occasions when its use falls within the nominative case are when it is used as an auxiliary pronoun to aid emphasis (‘I myself do not care for spicy food’). Otherwise its use as a pronoun is restricted to the objective case, although of course it can be linked to the same person forming the subject of a clause, as for example ‘I did it myself’ or ‘I saw myself in a different light’. In these examples of course, it takes the accusative case, and is thus an objective pronoun.

    At all events, it is one of those words that is used far too often, for example ‘he gave it to myself’, when ‘me’ is simpler and more elegant.

    And speaking of objective pronouns, the erroneous yet almost universal use of them when forming the second example in comparisons is ugly. When did you last hear or see written ‘he is taller than I’, ‘they are older than we’ or ‘she is cleverer than they’? In each case, the second example of the verb is elided for simplicity, but nowadays it’s all ‘he is taller than me’, ‘she is cleverer than them’ and ‘they are older than us’. My way around this – if only to set a good example – is very simple: just put the second use of the verb back in again. ‘He is taller than I am’, they are older than we are’ and ‘she is cleverer than they are’ and so on.

  40. All I wanted was a government that shut down the border in February. Quarantine passangers for forty days. What I got was a cabal of Jews whispering to Donald “ride it out, its just the flu, bro.”. The minutes of the meetings in cabinet are now leaking out and we know who, was pushing the same public policy shit as Anglin.

    • Replies: @Michael888
    , @Anonymous
  41. @Reg Cæsar

    Language Nazi issues a pronunciamento:

    When there is a confusion in grammar or vocabulary as Reg identifies, the best course in English is not to correct but to re-phrase. In order to avoid confusion, best would be, “Brad Griffin is not an X, and neither am I.”

    HOWEVER…

    Although Anglin as a humorist and political satirist (which is what he mainly is) belongs primarily to the Shock Comedy school (imagine having the NPR morning talking points read aloud every morning by Sam Kinison), as a prose stylist he has the dexterity and musicality of a Wodehouse or a Myles; and when you are in such stratospheric company, the rule becomes Rank Has Its Privileges. “Myself” in this case, while grammatically only semi-incorrect (“neither I nor Brad G.” is strictly correct, “is/ are” are both optionally correct), “myself” is to be preferred stylistically because of the faint comedic tinge of grandiosity, as well as the musicality of it.

    Nobody gets to correct Faulkner or Joyce on grammar.

    “Love-propelled and tangled glitteringly
    Has earned himself the title, Bird in Flight”
    — Frank O’Hara

    Language Nazi has spoken; this edict is both binding and final.

  42. @Dumbo

    Sweden surrounded Malmo and let the darkies perish. That’s going to be the data a year from now.

    Most Swedes live in detached houses or alone in decent sized apartments. They have good diets and reasonable healthy lifestyles. So their baseline is more manageable than the US. Trump ought to have grounded air travel and closed airports weeks before it was done.

    • Replies: @WJ
  43. @Tucker

    All we needed was a closed border in February. Instead we got a cabal of Jews around Trump saying “ride it out, just the flu.”

    All the dick measuring and play ground antics can’t change that sinister fact.

    • Replies: @313Chris
  44. @anon

    Millions now living will die.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  45. Anyone trying, like I did, to share this great piece on Facebook will likely get hit, like I did, by this unpleasant notice: ‘Your message couldn’t be sent because it includes content that other people on Facebook have reported as abusive.’
    Unreal.

  46. Anonymous[401] • Disclaimer says:

    Kikepedia sure done habs a hate-on fer Mr. Anglin:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Stormer#Founder

    • Replies: @mary-lou
  47. @Reg Cæsar

    When Donald Trump is the politest and most moderate voice in a conversation, then something is wrong.

    Reg, vacillating (as Trump is doing) and being polite aren’t exactly the same thing. Trump is not going back and forth and contradicting himself on the issue because he’s trying to reconcile both sides; no, he’s just trying to cover his own ass by keeping everybody confused as to his real intentions. (This is exactly the sort of ‘brilliant’ strategy of 500-D chess that the QAnons love so much. Personally, I just find it tiresome.)

  48. Beautiful wrap, AA. The competing psychological profiles are spot on:

    The decision of whether or not to embrace coronamania is not based on statistical analysis of the specific number of nursing home residents or obese black people that are likely to die. We are witnessing a mass hysteria. It is collective temporary insanity induced by the media. The gulf between skeptics and true believers is underlined by personal disposition; those who are inclined to prioritize personal responsibility, freedom and suspicion of authority are pushing back against the lockdown, while those who are prone to neuroticism, risk aversion, safety prioritization and trust in authority are embracing the hysteria. For most people, the data becomes simply a post-hoc rationalization for a position that was already determined by their psychological profile. Given the masculine/feminine dichotomy, it has also become a partisan political issue, which has poisoned any public debate over the merits of the various claims.

    This will get nasty. E.g., I had my first coronamania fistfight at a bank outlet last Monday, the first day of Big Momma Merkel’s looney mandatory-masks-in-places-of-business edict. Some young wise guy, fifty years my junior, aggressively blocked my way to deliver a virtuous lecture on my perceived breach of p(l)andemic etiquette. He then physically shoved me out of his way, a provocative taboo here. I ripped his super-official-looking designer mask off his smug mug and we traded some good punches with no “social distancing” until he started to back off. And I was only there to get cash from an ATM in order to buy a cheap mask. You’ve got to make a stand somewhere.

    In Huxley’s Brave New World, the only free place remaining on the planet was some autonomous Indian reservation in the Southwest. As a curiosity, the comfortably drugged Alphas and Betas of the Fordships could visit it on “vacation” from their dystopia. Supposedly exotic, the free reservation was clearly the only island of sanity left on Earth.

    We are now surrounded by psychological pygmies. Let’s not let it get that far.

    • Replies: @Gsjackson
  49. Adelaar says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    Regardless of what Andrew Anglin has to say, understand that the Daily Stormer is a CIA honeypot.

    What an absurd, baseless claim. Unlike other figures on the dissident right who are allowed Twitter accounts and credit card payment processors or simply websites hosted in the US, Anglin had his professional and personal existence attacked like hardly anyone else.

    Adding to that, making a site as inaccessible as possible simply defeats the purpose of a honeypot and every user of the site and the forum is urged to only use TOR for a long time now.

    Shame on you.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  50. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous

    The government lockdown down was a “hand-brake” to analyze the situation, just as any government would do in an emergency.

    Any government? Why did Sweden react differently?

  51. @Robert Dolan

    Use your whatsapp then, organise a gathering and protest or throw a party. Eventually if enough citizens do it the state will give up. Go out and play then. No one is really stopping you.

    It’s like a guy at the bar asking his friends to hold him back from attacking the gigantic black bouncer while he screams
    “let me at him!”

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  52. You know, if The Man had tried to come up with a psy-op to completely destroy what was left of the alt-right, he could not have done a better job than this Corona Hoax. But at least the common people of America seem to be catching on. To be sure, it’s a really motley coalition of SoCal surfers and Michigan militiamen, but at this point–all my faith in these Fascist ‘intellectuals’ having been shattered–I’ll take whatever I can get.

    Hope lies with the proles!

  53. @Niall of the Long Knives

    Remember the WHO in January saying covid-19 was not spread human-to-human (because bird flu and other wet market viruses are not spread human to human)? Remember when the WHO had a meeting (secret, not transparent) and decided that there was no need to ban travel from infected countries (“not necessary”, “counterproductive”). Western countries paid attention to the WHO. Asian countries did not; they tightened their borders (some wishing now they had done more). Still, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan, even China, Australia and New Zealand have had only 4 deaths/ per million or less. Compare that with Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Netherlands, Ireland, Switzerland and the US with 200-677 deaths per million (Sweden has 264 per million so far with no lockdown).
    Border control is by far the most obvious and important form of quarantine. At some point the virus breaks through, but by then you might have remdesivir, vaccines, or just more info in how to deal with covid-19.
    (Interesting that in India, hydroxychloroquine is taken as an approved (2014) anti-diabetes drug (with efficacy similar to the much more expensive -gliflozins). Of the 16% of those over 50 years old, almost half have type II diabetes. Hopefully Indian physicians are paying attention and will see if this “aquarium cleaner” seems to protect prophylactically or not from covid-19.)
    Some of the 50-150-fold higher deaths per million from covid-19 can be reflecting differences in age demographics (although Japan has a very aged population, but only 4 deaths per million). Some may reflect better medical care and public health in Asia than in the West; NYC doctors struggled with ventilators (which were lifesaving in Italy, once they finally arrived). Obviously, if patients sick with covid-19 are sent into nursing homes, resulting in the expected carnage as supposedly happened in NY, you have to question Western leadership vs Asian leadership. Some STATES have good Public Health departments, some do not (or their Governors make their decisions without the scientific input).
    The politicians in Asia seem to get out of the way of their Public Health experts. Governors in the US see the pandemic as a Power Opportunity.

    • Agree: Saggy
  54. GeeBee says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    I should very much like to see your evidence for this claim. But then almost anytime that anything or anyone has the temerity to challenge ZOG/Globo-homo the same accusation is invariably levelled. Either it’s ‘a honeypot’ or it’s ‘controlled opposition’. This whole trope has ceased to be a matter of asking quis custodiet ipsos custodes and has instead become one of discovering cui bono? And the only answer I can think of to the latter question – which boils down to asking in whose interests might it be to nip both dissent to their plan and an awakening to the truth in the bud – is ZOG/Globo-homo itself.

    You might very well be a genuine Cassandra. On the other hand…

  55. @geokat62

    The Swedes live in a low density population areas with three midsize urban environments with no more that 500,000 inhabitants and 10,000,000 altogether. The only diversity to speak of is in one port city.

    It’s basically like Idaho with a waterfront. Or Vancouver Island with more people.

    The degree to which more rural Americans are observing isolation or lockdown is a moot point. Who’s enforcing business closures where the town has a couple of thousand residents? No one.

    My guess is that black urban areas will remain locked down while white areas reopen anyway.

  56. @MB

    Two Trumpsters were out for a brief (due to the lockdown) stroll in the Times Square when one of them spotted the headline that CNN anchor had a baby with his husband and so puzzled he asked his buddy …

    1st dude: how does that work?

    2nd dude: what’s that?

    1st dude: how does a faggot have a baby?

    2nd dude: through his arse.

    1st dude: what’s it called?

    2nd dude: Turd Anderson.

    1st dude: that sucks.

    2nd dude: no, it stinks!

  57. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Damn Ron, are you trying to get the ADL up your ass? Love Anglin, thanks for posting.

  58. 450.org says:

    You want to play outside and swap spit and bodily fluids with the other braindead morons, sign a waiver that indicates you understand the risk and accept it to include being precluded from medical assistance if and/or when you contract the virus. No one else should have to suffer and die, including healthcare workers, because of your recalcitrant ignorance.

    I bet Andrew is is one of the goons hoarding all the meat and groceries yet he and his ilk believe the virus is a Bill Gates New World Order Hoax to get the world to accept a vaccine that will inject people with tracking devices as if their stupid cellphones aren’t already tracking devices they gleefully carry around so they can communicate about storming the capital buildings with their big bad guns as law enforcement does nothing but if they were black you can be sure law enforcement would have mowed them all down.

    Seriously, imagine a bunch of blacks from the ghettos storming the capital buildings with semi-automatic weapons. Law enforcement would mow them down in droves and the national guard would be called out but because these goons/thugs are white, they can do whatever they damn well please.

    • Disagree: anti_barabas_ite
    • Replies: @450.org
    , @Ruckus
    , @Alden
  59. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    It was never “Just the Flu” nor was it “The Plague”, it was something in between.

    Agree. At least somewhat closer to the former than to the latter.

    The US economy will re-open and there won’t be a great depression, but a recession.

    Disagree. Somewhere in between applies here too. We’ll see if its more like the former or the latter. It’s necessary to factor in the fact that the recovery was a bubble before the pandemic hit.

  60. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    At the end of the day, neither are right. The Virus is more deadly than the flu, yet it is less transmissible than what was originally thought(Anglin’s favorite country China Beat it, Remember?). All provinces except Wuhan had re-opened at the end of February.

    Hang on.. Your logic goes like this:

    1. If it’s slow moving and tests are reliable, we can track it’s spread. Hence, ‘beating it’ becomes possible.
    2. We can assume that China has beaten it, because it would be insane to open up if they hadn’t.
    3. If it can be beaten, that means it was less transmissible than originally thought.
    4. If it was less transmissible, that means the number of infections would be lower and hence each infection was more deadly.

    Do you see how your conclusion rests on the twin assumptions of accurate testing and slow transmission?

    On the contrary, all the evidence I’ve seen says that testing is a joke and transmission is probably extremely fast.

    So now I posit an alternative theory: transmission is fast, mortality is low, detection is a joke, and the whole thing is political theatre.

    • Agree: Maple Curtain
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  61. DICARLO says:
    @Smith

    Why not Anglin on Unz? If the Daily Stormer wasn’t being relentlessly censored by the jews and their girley-men followers, the Unz Report would be a distant second to it if even on the same page. If not for jew censorship, the Stormer would be the go-to site on the world-wide web.

  62. DICARLO says:
    @anon

    Contained? It never could have been contained. It’s the fucking flu!!!

  63. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    Regardless of what Andrew Anglin has to say, understand that the Daily Stormer is a CIA honeypot.

    I think there’s a much higher chance of this site being a honey pot. It doesn’t matter tho, because UR would still be doing more good than harm even if Ron Unz was giving full back door access to the spooks.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
    , @Polemos
  64. Saggy says: • Website

    I have been a big fan of AA, and ignored his constant vilification of women as an amusing quirk, but his Covid idiocy is more than I can handle and impossible for me to read. I made it to the point where he starts arguing his case, the 5th paragraph. The guy is an idiot who does not know his limitations. Unz shouldn’t print this garbage.

  65. Yup, the last thing I need at my age is another “Mommy”.

    • Agree: Yusef
  66. eah says:

    It is my assertion that if Brad Griffin is as scared of this virus as he appears to be, he could have locked himself in his house. There was no one keeping him from doing so. There was no need for him and people like him to force the rest of us to go along with their neurosis.

    Yes — there are two different, separate issues here: 1) the contagiousness and morbidity of the virus; 2) the brutal, dumb government authoritarianism in reaction to it.

    1) Is a matter for epidemiologists and other medical Fachleute.

    2) Ought to concern everyone, especially a white identitarian like Griffin, who has surely seen how the entire Establishment works against Whites and their interests (so why grant them unquestioned authority, in anything?) — it is remarkable (but not really surprising) how few people seem to question whether or not government should have the power to do this.

    Over at occidentaldissent.com, Griffin has discredited himself by showing zero skepticism about 2) — like I said in a comment there: Vdare used to complain about ‘respectable’ anti-immigration outfits like NumbersUSA “triangulating” against Vdare by saying, essentially, we’re not the racists, Vdare is — now Peter Brimelow is suing the NYT for calling him a White Nationalist, i.e. Brimelow is “triangulating” against White Nationalists — all of this is just Griffin “triangulating” against others in the Dissident Right who express skepticism about 2), also in part 1) — and it is just as pathetic, and will be just as ineffective, as what Brimelow is doing.

  67. DICARLO says:
    @Inverness

    I don’t know. I thought it was pretty funny. Usually, the truth is funnier than fiction.

  68. I used to blame Andrew Anglin for the destruction of the Alt-Right.

    I now realize the fault lies entirely with Richard Spencer. I gave Richard Spencer the advice, on his own site, when the mass media decided to tie the Alt Right to Anglin’s Daily Stormer:

    “If asked about the Daily Stormer, say it’s a joke and that you don’t take it seriously.”

    Instead, Spencer decided right then and there to do podcasts with Anglin and all but endorse his troll site – a troll site run by the obviously Jewish felon Andrew “Weev” Aurenheimer and his Jewish friends in New York City, who registered their domain.

    When out of character, Anglin seems like a normal and bright guy. His “Nazi” character – while funny – is absolute poison to any sort of “movement” which is why he should have been left to his own devices to troll people on the internet. It’s amusing he (rightly) mentions “COINTELPRO” is relation to the “costumed neo-nazis” like Brad Griffin’s personal friend, Matt Heimbach.

    But who is Anglin kidding here? It’s just as right to mention “COINTELPRO” in relation to his own Jewish handler, Aurenheimer, and his former partners like Joshua Goldberg – literally a Jewish troll that impersonated both “neo-nazis” as well as “radical Muslims” – for obvious Jewish reasons.

    The fact that anyone cares what Andrew Anglin and Brad Griffin thinks about the coronavirus is simply a function of their popular websites – websites that are obviously not medical. In the absence of pro-white leadership, people are left to taking advice from internet trolls.

    It’s not the fault of Andrew Anglin nor Brad Griffin. It’s the fault of people like Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson, who instead of providing pro-white leadership, spend much of their times engaging in the same sort of trolling that Anglin and Griffin do.

    In any case, Anglin’s clearly right here. Griffin is not my mommy and the “lockdowns” are nothing but an excuse to loot the economy and roll out the police state. Obviously, the government doesn’t give a shit about our health.

    • Agree: anti_barabas_ite
  69. Fantastic to see Anglin here. He deserves a much larger audience.

    • Agree: donut
  70. While it is useful for Anglin to point out that neither he nor Johnson are ‘credentialed virologists,’ an elementary facility with math and logic remains an essential journalistic tool. Above, Anglin repeats an elementary fallacy casually enunciated by Daniel MacAdams on Ron Paul’s daily whine, Liberty Report:

    “[T]he initial stated purpose of this lockdown was to prevent the hospitals from being overwhelmed. That’s what “flatten the curve” meant. These were measures intended to draw out the number of cases over a longer period of time. That is to say, there was no plan to “save lives.”

    Flattening the curve saves lives by ensuring that people who need medical attention get it, since facilities and personnel are available. Without timely medical attention, more people will die.

    DUH.

    • Replies: @aristotle
    , @Poco
  71. WP says:

    AA says “you are not my mommy. I already have a mommy.” He’s got a Daddy too, Uncle Shlomo’s his Daddy! Actually his new sugar daddy is just the FBI case manager who’s running him as a counterintelligence confidential informant … and all the other LEA and CI’s who make up the bulk of his internet club Da Stormer (scare quotes) think they are in deep into the white nationalist world too, lol.

  72. @Adelaar

    (((the usual suspects))) have been claiming that Anglin is secretly a fed for years, to no avail.

  73. mary-lou says:
    @Anonymous

    that would be a big plus in favour of mr. anglin, since wikipedia is nauseatingly biased and peddling The Narrative.

  74. A good question to ask these “fluthers” is just why they are – all of a sudden and out of the blue – believing the government. People like Greg Johnson have spent years dissenting from popular opinion only to fall on the altar of the media narrative and say “I give up! You were right all along!”

    There’s an agenda here for people like Johnson and Griffin that go beyond website clicks.

    Anglin doesn’t have the luxury of .com clicks or payment processors. He relies on bitcoin donations to stay afloat. So why is he the lone voice in the dissident right wilderness to say these unpopular things?

    Speaking the truth is hard. Watching supposed allies fall in line with the government they once opposed is harder.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
    , @G J T
    , @Usura
  75. rashomoan says:
    @MB

    Got Windows right? How did I miss that? My understanding is that Windows is successful in corporate environments because with its really never having emerged from beta it supports armies of technicians who are needed on a continuous basis in order to keep it running, third party application writers, and the investment in personnel, training, equipment and software represent sunk costs that somehow elude financial types who think TINA and management who want their budgets to grow continuously. Windows enables all that.

  76. trickster says:

    Great article Mr. Anglin, analytical, methodical, thorough, thoughtful and logical. However I have to say you have a serious psychological problem. You believe that logic will have some influence and impact on the masses. You are wrong. When reason and feelings go on a date reason always takes it doggy style. If I choose 10 acquaintances that are highly educated and “intelligent” I could not find one to agree even behind closed doors and in whispered tones that the virus hysteria is nothing more than a load of shit. One guy I know who worked out at the gym everyday is literally terrified out of his mind and keeps his kids locked in the house all day where they drive him and the old lady nuts. If this is the reaction of the intelligent what is left for the drop outs.

    People have lost their ability and even the energy to think. We prefer to leave this tedious task to the Ivy School elites and like everything else they elicit a price for their efforts on our behalf. Throughout my life I have seen family and friends do the most stupid things and when I asked “what’s wrong with you ? Why did you do that?” I would get the look even as they suffer the devastating consequences for their actions and get out of that mess just in time for the next. It just boggles my mind.

    So I guess I have to admit to you we both share the same affliction. Perhaps we can split the cost of the therapist !?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  77. @Smith

    Andrew Anglin is an entertaining writer. He is being purged because of that. The likes SPLC, ADL, CIA and FBI need the Nazis fanboys for their agenda. They just don’t want one that makes you laugh, and even go “hmm…” from time to time.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  78. WJ says:
    @anon

    You are another one of those people, and there are millions of them, who have invested too much of their ego in being “right” on this issue instead altering your viewpoints when the facts suggest. Don’t be too sad. You are not alone doomer.

  79. Truth3 says:

    A Michigan judge agreed that Governor Greta Witch-mer’s restraints on Michigan Citizens, Residents, and Visitors is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

    Then, the same judge ruled that well, it JUST DOESN”T MATTER, so she can do WHATEVER she wants… ’cause… well, the frickin US Constitution DOESN’T MATTER ANYMORE

    Time for a revolution.

  80. @Niall of the Long Knives

    Douche…..my state is controlled by Gavin Newsome.

    I lost my job and can’t even go to the beach.

    You say I should go beat him up?

    Why don’t you do it for me tough guy.

  81. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    They trusted their healthy system, or wanted to take a gamble. They are an outlier. Most governments needed “time” to analyze the situation.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  82. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Most serological studies do not put transmission at above 15%. They are conducting random sampling at this time. The highest i’ve seen is NYC at 24% and there could have been sampling bias or some % of fale positives.

    Regardless of whether it was more or less transmissible, I believe the government has a right to temporarily lockdown in a fast moving situation to assess options and plan. I think its a reasonable position to hold. I don’t think the Chinese were stupid for doing so.

    Anglin is consistently pro-China, and China had a temporary lockdown to assess and plan.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  83. G J T says:

    I don’t really have a strong opinion of Anglin; to me he’s like most of the other recognizable names in our sphere — he gets some right and some wrong.

    Having said that, he hit the nail on the head here. As someone who was a daily reader of Occidental Dissent, I am finished with him, and I suspect MANY more are following suit. His totally uncritical support of the (((mainstream))) narrative on coronachan rapidly descended into the realm of bizarre. I simply cannot support the guy and his site anymore when he’s not only peddling Jewish establishment narratives on a daily basis, but personally attacking his readers who refuse to do the same. Every response I made to his coronachan “articles” was met with ad hominem attacks and name calling (usually accusations of being a “libertarian,” just like Anglin said).

    I saw another commenter say he’s being leveraged with federal hate crimes charges and this is the result. That would make a whole lot of sense.

  84. @Saggy

    Well, that was a nice, not so succinct, ad hominem.

    Got any counter-arguments to AA?

    • Replies: @Saggy
  85. This government sent thousands of young Americans to die in Iraq and Afghanistan for the purpose of forwarding the regional goals of Israel

    I understand Iraq (though I think that was something of an “own goal” for Israel, as it removed a counterweight to Iran), but Afghanistan? What conceivable benefit does Israel derive from what the US is doing there?

    Brad Griffin claimed in his gotcha manifesto that anyone who even dares ask questions about whether or not it is desirable to surrender all control of our lives to this government, all the way down to our ability to feed ourselves, is a “libertarian.”

    If only!

  86. @Sam Miller

    Well, Johnson, being a homo, has more skin in the game of virus hysteria, doesn’t he?

    • LOL: WHAT
    • Replies: @Sam Miller
  87. onebornfree says: • Website

    Finally, some good news:

    “City ends face-mask rule for shoppers after store employees are threatened”

    “The mayor of an Oklahoma city amended an emergency declaration requiring customers to wear face masks while inside businesses after store employees were threatened with violence.

    Stillwater Mayor Will Joyce announced the change Friday afternoon, less than 24 hours after the declaration took effect.”

    Translation: OK city mayor/Mini Hitler threatens peaceful shoppers with “legal” violence if they don’t wear masks in all stores; some [previously] peaceful shoppers then make retaliatory threats of violence – the mini-Hitler backs off.

    See:https://news.yahoo.com/city-ends-face-mask-rule-205822754.html

    Its about phuckin’ time! Some light at the end of this CV-19 tunnel of stupidity, perhaps?

    Regards, onebornfree

  88. aristotle says:

    This article is actually a masterpiece of eloquent rationality. Better than anything you would read in the New York Times anyway….and that shows you how the world is set up.

  89. Denis says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    “No recent commenting history”

    • Thanks: donut
    • Replies: @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves
  90. @Robert Dolan

    You should be fighting back in your juristiction if you feel that your rights are being trampled. File, protest and challenge. What’s wrong with doing that? I don’t have a problem with you taking that agency.

    Newsom is likely the next VP for the Dems so you should start fling injunctions and suits at the least.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  91. WJ says:
    @Niall of the Long Knives

    Yes, he should have closed the borders much sooner. Even though he imposed restrictions in late January it was probably already too late, and it was met with the typical left wing derision. Left wing derision is no reason to not close the borders, however. He wasn’t elected to seek their favor.

  92. And if the retard is an asymptomatic carrier of the virus, spreads all over.

    Crazy, stupid and dangerous fucks.

    • Replies: @Uomiem
  93. G J T says:
    @Sam Miller

    ‘A good question to ask these “fluthers” is just why they are – all of a sudden and out of the blue – believing the government. People like Greg Johnson have spent years dissenting from popular opinion only to fall on the altar of the media narrative and say “I give up! You were right all along!”’

    Exactly. Something stinks. I asked Brad why he all of a sudden believes the word of the Jewish, for-profit medical industrial complex, as if that is the one segment of the establishment that is somehow beyond the typical deceit and corruption in every other area of our Jew-occupied system. Best case scenario, is cognitive dissonance at its worst.

    Neither he nor anyone on his site peddling the same garbage can answer this, of course. They can only mimic the tactics of our enemies, throwing around slurs like “conspiratard,” “anti-vaxxer,” and the like.

    • Replies: @Sam Miller
    , @Rosie
  94. @Rex Little

    Talk to Mort Sackler about that. Hold my syringe

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  95. @Maple Curtain

    That’s certainly a factor worth consideration. In his debate with Anglin, many of those commenting were censored for asking this question. It’s a fair question, but it’s doubtful we would get an answer.

    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
  96. @Niall of the Long Knives

    Talk to Mort Sackler about that.

    Can you elaborate just a bit? I just Googled Mort Sackler (never heard of him before this) and found nothing relating to what I wrote.

  97. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    It turns out they’ve been war-gaming for some years now, laying out the response to a killer virus. This thing came along and it’s been seized upon to run the air-raid sirens, panic the public and herd everyone around as though nuclear war had broken out. It’s a fraud. The ‘experts’ were wrong yet again, their models way off the charts. Two million were doomed to die, no wait a million, no half of that, no a quarter, well maybe a hundred thousand. Reality is like around 2017-18 flu season which came and went without much fanfare. Lying or sheer incompetence? Lot of opportunism here. The Orwellian nature of this engineered hoax is amazing, full spectrum panic peddling from every possible source. It’s disgusting to walk around and see all these cowardly Americans tremble in fear in the streets. If you’re low risk, as in any other flu season, come out and enjoy the sunshine.
    Got your welfare-stimulus check yet?

    • Troll: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  98. @G J T

    Neither he nor anyone on his site peddling the same garbage can answer this, of course. They can only mimic the tactics of our enemies, throwing around slurs like “conspiratard,” “anti-vaxxer,” and the like.

    Occidental Dissent is not a formidable publication. It’s a revenge blog designed to spread falsehoods about his enemies.

  99. Wally says:
    @anon

    Ah yes, the WHO:
    WHO hails Sweden as a ‘model’ for fighting coronavirus without a lockdown : https://www.theblaze.com/news/who-hails-sweden-as-a-model-for-fighting-coronavirus-without-a-lockdown

    “I think if we are to reach a new normal, Sweden represents a model if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns.”

    – WHO’s chief emergencies expert, Dr. Mike Ryan

    – And of course there’s going to be ‘new cases’, its called ‘more testing‘.
    – But the vast amount of the positives, which are often wrong, have either no symptoms or very light symptoms.
    – And with more testing we’re seeing that the mortality rate is no worse than a bad flu. *
    – IOW, CV19 is vastly overrated by Big Gov advocates with their usual agenda of control over everyone’s lives.

    * recommended:
    A Wizard of Oz Virus: The COVID-19 Hoax of gross exaggeration.
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/a_wizard_of_oz_virus_the_covid19_hoax.html

  100. @Saggy

    My gosh, do you have an ACTUAL ARGUMENT or not? Anglin may be a lot of bad things for all I know (I haven’t paid much attention to him at all), but his article, unlike your comment, is at least an actual argument. If you don’t have an argument, then you’re just the troll you seem to think he is. Quit wasting our time. Crap or get off the pot!

  101. Sunshine says:
    @Saggy

    How is he wrong about women? I am a woman and even though it’s not flattering to me (nor do I like to be lumped in with them and their vile behavior), I can’t say he’s not telling the truth. All you have to do is look around and see for yourself.

    I am a big fan of Anglin and the Stormer, and have read it for years. I personally am glad to see him writing an article here. Which, he wouldn’t have done if that bizarre attack article hadn’t been written. Yet, no condemnation for the attacker, just the guy defending himself. Don’t we have enough censorship and refusal to publish dissenting and/or unpopular opinions? Do we really need to call for that type of censorship here?

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @RodW
  102. aandrews says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    “Not sure if are or is is right here, but myself is definitely wrong. Can anybody think of a sentence in which myself is a subject?”

  103. Wally says:
    @anon

    except:
    Leading Scientist Claims Lockdown & Quarantine is a “Human Catastrophe”
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/05/no_author/leading-scientist-claims-lockdown-quarantine-is-a-human-catastrophe-new-interview/

    There is no empirical evidence for these lockdowns.
    Comparing US states shows there is no relationship between lockdowns and lower Covid-19 deaths
    .
    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/22/there-is-no-empirical-evidence-for-these-lockdowns/?fbclid=IwAR3H3Pw6R1JLpEr3AUav6qgup7xH6XgYho3DjRC2fk7nDNUXEZ-UixMogcY

    The Truth and Lies about Coronavirus, David Williams, MD: https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/

    Open Up Now, Lockdowns Are Weakening our Immune System:
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/2-whisteblowing-cali-er-doctors-urge-open-society-now-because-lockdowns-are-weakening-our
    now banned by Youtube, but up on Bitchute:


  104. @thordaddy

    well, the hysterical exaggeration of the virus has enabled mass THEFT by the banks and big corporations through the “bailout” so far, anyway.

    Then there is the added bonus — for our vicious rulers — that the lockdown is putting tens of thousands of small family businesses (retailers and restaurants especially) into bankruptcy, while the rich and powerful grab even more market share and profit. The winners are Amazon, Walmart (second-largest online retailer in the usa), eBay, Target, and just a few other big corporations. The losers are just about everybody else, not to mention the future of a First World middle class here.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  105. @Some guy 8783382

    Appreciate the sentiment, but let’s not compare anyone whom we respect to corrupt, dishonest, white-hating sodomite deviants like jorge bergoglio and his “men.”

  106. cranc says:

    You will all be able to come back here and see my position in contrast with Brad Griffin’s position, and decide who was right and who was wrong.

    I certainly hope so, as this site has gone up in my estimations for headlining with such a good piece. However, with the acceleration in censorship that seems to be an intrinsic part of this whole Covid1984 caper, that looks far from assured.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW6-pfaXgAAKHEm?format=jpg&name=medium

  107. The Virgin 5,800 word essay showing what a feminine crybaby you are

    vs

    The Chad 1,600 word essay owning the crybaby

    • Agree: schnellandine
  108. @Sam Miller

    Yep.

    Like my noticing that Paul Craig Roberts is 81 and that is a factor in how he approaches the Covid-19 issue.

    3 times made that seemingly innocuous point and 3 times censored by PCR.

    • Agree: Cortes
    • Troll: GazaPlanet
  109. @Gleongelpi

    If it is still the case that the people dying “with” covid-19 are quite disproportionately elderly, then focus the quarantine requirement on the elderly and let everyone else get back to their lives, jobs, churches, and businesses. Maintain and enforce a mask requirement and a ban on large gatherings, if necessary.

    But much more needs to be done to start fixing the frightening weaknesses and vulnerabilities of our economy, our family budgets, and our medical system.

    UNIVERSAL MEDICAL CARE.
    First, make sure that all US Citizens and legal residents get good medical insurance and care, both during this alleged pandemic and in the future.

    PUBLIC NON-PROFIT MANUFACTURE OF MEDICINES AND DEVICES.
    Second, build a network of publicly owned medical factories, with at least one in every congressional district. These facilities can manufacture our vaccines, our most commonly prescribed generic medications, and our most widely used medical devices, and make them available cheaply to all US Citizens. Cut the profiteering corporations out except as to drugs/devices still under patent or being researched / developed. No rapacious markups on our meds and devices, and much less reliance on distant unreliable or hostile countries like China and India for any of it. This was a serious problem before and independent of the covid-19 virus.

    UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME.
    Third, Americans are being ground down into poverty and hopelessness by disloyal greedy scum who continue to outsource their jobs abroad, and to import tens of millions of foreigners to compete for their jobs and lower their wages and their bargaining power. Then there is the increasing elimination of our jobs by automation and now artificial intelligence. Implement a universal basic income so americans can get through economic shocks, whether caused by real pandemics, lockdowns in the face of exaggerated pandemics, wars, natural disasters, whatever.

    To fund the universal medical insurance and the UBI, there are several hundred billion dollars in annual offsetting military/war cuts available, as well as plutocrats who should be taxed to the hilt. Add speculative disruptive high-speed / high-volume stock and bond trading to be taxed. There is a large and rapidly growing legal marijuana market (will be several trillion dollars per year retail, more than tobacco and possibly more than alcohol) that the feds can tax. There are half a trillion dollars per year in cash remittances to foreign recipients that can be taxed. There are fed welfare bureacracies (executive-branch “agencies”) that can be axed because we are giving people money directly with no strings, no surveillance, almost no administration. The UBI requires no administration except verifying that a person is a US Citizen, of the requisite age (I’d suggest 21), and not incarcerated.

    Or we can keep going the way we are going and ensure mass poverty, eventually mass starvation, and of course the widespread murder, robbery, and home invasion that occur when tens of millions of americans grow hungry and desperate to feed themselves and their children. Recent events show that supposedly “fringe paranoid” scenario isn’t very far off at all.

    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @Autofill
  110. Poco says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    Everything is a CIA honeypot. All is under surveillance.

    • Replies: @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves
  111. Truth3 says:

    Under Kikepedia’s Anti-Semitic Canards page…

    Economical and political canards…

    World domination *****
    Controlling the media *****
    Controlling the world financial system *****
    Usury and profiteering *****
    Kosher Tax *****
    Propagation of communism *****

    Religious canards…

    Guilt for the death of Jesus of Nazareth *****
    Host desecration *****
    Ritual murder and blood libel *****
    Anti-Christian bias *****
    Demonization, accusations of impurity *****
    Well poisoning *****

    Other canards…

    Causing wars, revolutions, and calamities *****
    Making people LGBT ****
    Causing antisemitism *****
    A “pogrom” against Native Americans ****
    Dual loyalty *****
    Cowardice and lack of patriotism *****
    Racism *****
    Inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust *****
    Playing a major role in the slave trade *****
    Organ harvesting *****
    Palestinians *****
    Haiti ****
    9/11 attacks conspiracy *****

    So… vote for your highest example of Truth of those listed above.

    For me, it’s a 25 way tie… all 4 and 5 stars.

    Sort of stupid for them to list their collective crimes so readily… but then, they ARE stupid too. Clever Evil is not intelligent to those that live by Truth.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  112. Anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    My view on this Coronavirus is pretty much the same as my views on 9/01/01 Islamic terrorists slaughter of our people , or Black gang members slaughtering 500 plus people in my Chicago every year for the last 40 years .

    I answer the questions associated with these terrible events with a question :

    Q: How does Japan handle these bad things?

    The answer is the Japanese government and regular
    Japanese people are sensible, practical highly nationalistic people that don t even consider doing the stupid sh&$ we do everyday .

    Japan doesn t allow 9/01/01 style Islamic extremists to ever come in to Japan.

    Japan doesn t let black gang members come in to Japan let alone set up shop and start murdering lots of locals.

    The Coronavirus Kong Flu plague? What few numbers of Chinese migrants , students and tourists that were coming from Communist China to Japan – that ChiCom influx was quickly ended . Result: no infected Japanese.

    The Japanese seem undisturbed if the ADL, SPLC, CNN, New York Times , CAIR, tips of Catholic Church , Southern Baptist board of something and 90% of Wmetican Jews ate upset and call the Japanese “racists”.

    The Japanese don t care – they are not locked down, they have clean and safe public transport and the only price they pay is more expensive fruits and vegitables.

    My view is:

    The Japanese handle all these things better than us.

  113. aristotle says:
    @jack daniels

    Not quite. The idea they are stating is that if the virus has a transmissibility that does not enable you to eradicate it, it will work through the population until it reaches some sort of saturation point. The virus itself will therefore infect the same number of people but over different time frames. That is what “flattening the curve” means.

    Your point is different. It is that by not flattening the curve there will be additional knock-on deaths due to the overloading of the health system. The best policy, then, was not a COMPLETE lock down but a lock down which mitigated the rate of infection since if the virus has not passed through the population it will simply do so when the lock down is lifted.

    In a sense, then, you are right; in another you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the point.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  114. Uomiem says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Shut up boomer. The pro plandemics lost the information war. Almost every non normie know that your narrative is a lie.

    We know people who die with covid1984 are being said to die with it.

    We know that your “predictions” were off by the millions.

    We know your “experts” are liars who stand to gain from the co1984 narrative.

    Or
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

    We know that the federal govermemt legacy medicine, and legacy media are not to be trusted.

    Many of us know you are afraid.

    I think you are a self centered coward who values his own life above all else, and I believe you resent those of us with a spine.

    • Agree: Mehen
  115. Anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Niall of the Long Knives

    Yep

    I never really needed a world plague excuse to shut down mass 3rd world migration invasions .

    But since we were offered this hanging curve ball …

    Sure hit it out of the park .

  116. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous

    Most governments needed “time” to analyze the situation.

    Actually, Sweden was not alone with the more lax approach they had opted for. Britain was initially following that same approach, until Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London announced that 510,000 Brits and 2,200,000 Americans would die under the Do Nothing scenario.

    On March 16, a 20-page report from Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London* quickly gathered enormous attention by producing enormous death estimates. Dr. Ferguson had previously publicized almost equally sensational death estimates from mad cow disease, bird flu and swine flu.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

    *The Times also reported that “with ties to the World Health Organization and a team of 50 scientists, led by a prominent epidemiologist, Neil Ferguson, Imperial is treated as a sort of gold standard, its mathematical models feeding directly into government policies.”

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/scientist-predicted-500k-deaths-now-says-20k

    After that report was released, the Swedes stuck to their guns… unfortunately, the Brits (and the Americans et al) blinked.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  117. aandrews says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “If it is still the case that the people dying “with” covid-19 are quite disproportionately elderly, then focus the quarantine requirement on the elderly and let everyone else get back to their lives….”

    Exactly. One lesson from this mess (assuming that it wasn’t already obvious): You damned well don’t want to wind up in a nursing home. And you don’t have to be at an advanced age to be in one. Nursing homes are also convalescent homes; anyone can wind up there, recovering (quote-unquote) from some debilitating disease/injury.

    I’ve wondered if letting the aged and infirm die-off disproportionately wasn’t a feature, not a bug. Think of all the money that could be saved and spent on the military.

  118. Saggy says: • Website
    @Maple Curtain

    Got any counter-arguments to AA?

    It is impossible to counter AA because he, like all the right wing kooks, don’t seem to have any regard whatever to what the medical community is saying, they don’t even seem to be conscious of it. Thus, they never mention that some countries have responded vigorously to the virus and contained it, e.g. South Korea. Any discussion of CV that doesn’t acknowledge what’s in this vid is impossible to counter because it is tangential to what is happening, focusing like AA on statistics for what is still a mystery and hence the data is woefully incomplete –

    CV is really a fascinating subject, but not if you’re an idiot.

    • Replies: @BADmejr
    , @VVZ
  119. geokat62 says:
    @Rex Little

    though I think that was something of an “own goal” for Israel, as it removed a counterweight to Iran

    For the time being…

  120. SafeNow says:

    It is more than the media that has induced mass hysteria. There is an entire psychiatric literature on what is called “anticipatory anxiety.” New imaging techniques have expanded our understanding of this —- our knowledge of amygdala over-reactivity and so on. How our brains have evolved to react to fear is a very pertinent issue these days and I would have expected to see technical essays — more than just a few Psychology Today type of articles — where is a 10,000-word Ron Unz essay when we really need one.

  121. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Brad’s blog is called “Occidental Dissent.” Tell me, Brad, what exactly are you dissenting from?

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  122. Akouo says:

    Too true, ZERO experts here, or there really. I don’t believe there is an ‘answer’ to this virus but I do hold a position on the lockdowns. I like em! The world now is a quiet and peaceful place and I like that. I do an ‘essential’ job (apparently) so I get to be outside all day walking around and it’s lovely, When I drive anywhere I have the road almost to myself, exquisite! It appears that I’m a selfish person and happy as Larry in this thinned out world. Bite me.

  123. Saggy says: • Website
    @Sunshine

    How is he wrong about women?

    I admit – I am rendered speechless by this comment ! I capitulate – women are no better than dogs ! Hell, they’re way inferior to dogs ! How does one argue this idiocy?

    Trying to document my ‘argument’ ……

    “It’s about creating a giant spectacle, a media spectacle that desensitizes people to these ideas.” He (AA) considered jokes about Josef Mengele training dogs to rape Jewish women “comedy gold.”

    Study Shows Dogs Mirror the Emotions of Their Owners, Just Like Women
    Daily Stormer June 7, 2019

    Daily Stormer
    June 7, 2019

    Dogs are Trillions of Times More Loyal Than Stupid Whores
    Andrew Anglin December 9, 2018

    IKEA Offends Russian Dogs and Dog-Owners by Saying a Dog is Equal to a Woman
    Andrew Anglin October 29, 2018

    etc. …..

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @anon
    , @Sunshine
  124. BADmejr says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    There is a new DS comments forum newly created that can be viewed on the normal web. See gameruprising .to

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  125. @mark green

    Your take is pretty much mine as well. I’m oldish (far side of 73), but happily not infirm. Self-quarantine, no, but I live in an area without so much as one case thus far. As for Mr A, this was my first encounter with his work, but I’ll check out his site if for no other reason than to see what all the fuss is about.

  126. BADmejr says:
    @Saggy

    Oh, you mean the set of experts that are allowed on YouTube. I hear ya. Of course, this assumes that only “fake” information violates YouTube’s guidelines. Regardless, having a balanced approach means seeing all sides. Seeing many versions of one view doesn’t make your perspective well rounded. I acknowledge there are experts taking the doom view, and I have seen them by the truckload. Have you explored the views of credentialed experts with opposing views? It takes more effort to find them given the authorities’ suppression of such info, but doing such things allows a more balanced approach.

  127. Bro43rd says:
    @anonymous

    A bit like the AGW, oops climate change crowd, eh?

  128. Mefobills says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Andrew Anglin is an entertaining writer. He is being purged because of that. The likes SPLC, ADL, CIA and FBI need the Nazis fanboys for their agenda. They just don’t want one that makes you laugh, and even go “hmm…” from time to time.

    That is insightful [email protected]

    They need an enemy for their agenda, and if the enemy is funny and insightful, then that is no good. Shut it down! Oy Vey

    If the enemy promotes a position that former generations found normal, then it is especially dangerous.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  129. Why anyone is comparing country like Sweden to states that are fifty times their size is beyond. Sweden has 2% of the population that the US has. it is 12% the size of the US. Its government, economy, and social structure are completely different. Different despite Swedish independence which is fairly intense, their social structure an government. They are not comprised of quasi sovereign states with Gov who on more than one occasion tell the feds to take a hike an then some.

    Anyone thinking that could wave a wand have all fifty states follow Sweden, even if they wanted to — is just dreaming. These discussions sound like the typical if Sweden can do it — so can we —

    incorrect on its face.

    no offence to Sweden, intended.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  130. Poco says:
    @jack daniels

    Ah, but this is not what has occured. Instead people are NOT getting the medical attentioin they need, supposedly because resources might be required to address the covids.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  131. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    It would be interesting to find out why Covid cheerleaders, like a Hunter Wallace, post erroneous death numbers from the 2017-18 flu season in which over 80,000 Americans died. The cheerleaders claim it was 61,000, but never give a link.

    But I will, to the CDC:

    CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

    80,000 and that was without artificially jacking up the total dead by including damn near any death from any medical complication.

    But don’t worry, Big Daddy Trump is here, with a Bill Gates sanctioned vaccine!

    Medical Tyranny: Trump Pivots To Mandatory Vaccinations Under Operation “Warp Speed”

    https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/medical-tyranny-trump-pivots-to-mandatory-vaccinations-under-operation-warp-speed_04302020

    Gosh, I feel soooo much safer now!

    • Replies: @VVZ
  132. @Saggy

    [dogs, dogs, some dogs, dogs]

    Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.”

  133. Hey Andrew,

    Bring back the DS main site comment section already !!!

    And …. congrats to Unz.com for allowing an Anglin response.

    Nothing is more attractive than being bold ~ !!!

  134. Sweden has large populations of foreigners in the larger cities that I’ve been to, and certainly Malmo and Stockholm. Blacks, Muslims, and Asians are noticeable in areas outside the major cities. Sweden’s large immigrant population is very apparent throughout the southern (most populous) portion of the country. It’s not just Malmo that has been flooded.

    I don’t know what, if any, role it played in the coronavirus situation in Sweden, but Sweden’s neighbors all closed their borders, leaving Sweden with a large buffer zone between it and the outside world. Finland even isolated Helsinki from the rest of the country. I don’t think any Scandinavian nation shut down the asylum pipeline, which doesn’t make any sense.

  135. @Robert Dolan

    Yes !!!

    Covid 19 !!!

    Burn this thing !!!!!!!!

  136. @schnellandine

    Their big loss was the brilliant ‘Memetic Monday’ created by some Joe, that was truly some of the funniest, thought provoking stuff I ever read. Great to have Andrew Anglin the Johnny Rotten of social commentary on board.

  137. Anonymous[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @ploni almoni

    Millions now living will die.

    100% now living will die. You too. Cancer, heart disease, accident, random murder … ever wonder what will get ya eventually?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  138. BTW I like the idea of wearing masks in public for various reasons, especially for making all their face recognition IT infrastructure such a waste of time, effort and resources. I’m going to keep wearing one even after this blows over and screw anyone who takes offence that I’m being antisocial. And just when they passed laws in various countries banning the wearing of masks in public as it gave criminals protection from witnesses now you can even walk into a bank wearing a mask, and it’s mandatory. LOL!

    • Replies: @VonBraun
    , @Wielgus
    , @Alden
    , @theMann
  139. @Mefobills

    He’s extremely funny with a gift for neologisms, the latest being ‘Holocough’ for Coronavirus.

  140. @aristotle

    Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

    1) The virus will not work through the population to the same “saturation point” with regard to lives lost if along the way individuals receive needed medical care and in the meanwhile vaccines or treatments are developed and additional facilities built, which is an ongoing race. There will not be as many lives lost if the curve is flattened.

    2) Your vague distinction between the effects of a “lock-down” and a “COMPLETE” lock-down falls under my first point. Whenever the virus “passes through” the population it will take fewer lives if infected persons have access to medical care, both what exists now and what can be developed as the epidemic progresses over time.

    3) I am right in the only relevant “sense.” The stated issue is lives lost, not quantity of infected people. You and Anglin seem to equivocate between two very different concepts. As for MacAdams I think he’s just bad at math.

    PS – Israel has a much lower rate of infection and death than Sweden.

  141. @Poco

    It’s not my fault if Trump is incompetent or narcissistic. He seems to be trying to please both sides as usual. The “tough guy” president turns out to be a weakling, though admittedly he has a fair number of excuses.

    • Replies: @Poco
  142. aandrews says:

    Speaking of mommies…

    Internet Speech Will Never Go Back to Normal

    In the debate over freedom versus control of the global network, China was largely correct, and the U.S. was wrong.
    April 25, 2020

    Jack Goldsmith
    Harvard Law School professor
    Andrew Keane Woods
    Professor of law at the University of Arizona College of Law

    As surprising as it may sound, digital surveillance and speech control in the United States already show many similarities to what one finds in authoritarian states such as China. Constitutional and cultural differences mean that the private sector, rather than the federal and state governments, currently takes the lead in these practices, which further values and address threats different from those in China. But the trend toward greater surveillance and speech control here, and toward the growing involvement of government, is undeniable and likely inexorable.

    In the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong. Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet, and governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.

  143. @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    I don’t think AA is a CIA plant or FBI informant but … He claims to be a fugitive from justice/injustice wanted in court but hasn’t made an appearance yet. So how come the authorities can’t get their hands on him when they are locking up people for the most trivial of reasons? That should cause some to pause and think.

  144. thordaddy says:
    @RadicalCenter

    When small businesses are destroyed on a large scale, people are actually being murdered by other means. Covid-19 will provide the necessary medical coverage.

  145. VonBraun says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I fashioned a cloth face mask from BVD briefs and my wife’s old brassiere. It covers all aspects except my mouth and nose. I wore it outdoors in a crowded park (Lincoln Park, Chicago; thousands of sun worshippers) and I intend to wear it to the local market. None of the edicts mandates how a face mask must be worn. I am actively protesting the inanity of this lockdown by ignoring or laughing at the governments.

  146. @Anonymous

    From liberalism.

    I’m not a crackpot who rejects medicine and science.

    • LOL: eah
  147. Wielgus says:
    @Anonymous

    That’s been the oddest aspect of all this – people thinking they would live forever if it weren’t for the damn virus. Few had that illusion in the 1918 pandemic, and even fewer further back, every time the plague or cholera came to call.

  148. @Commentator Mike

    So how come the authorities can’t get their hands on him when they are locking up people for the most trivial of reasons? That should cause some to pause and think.

    Not really. He lives in another country where they can’t get to him as easily as if he was living in the states.

  149. Wielgus says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes, that odd paradox has been one of my few sources of wry amusement in the past six weeks or so. MASKS ARE ILLEGAL in 2019, NEAR-COMPULSORY in 2020.

  150. Well, say what you will about Anglin, but at least some in the White Supremacist crowds are thinking logically and rationally.

    I took my car in to Kia to have the oil changed about a week ago.

    I asked the guy at the front desk if they were selling many cars. He said “only for essential reasons”. I asked him what he means by that. He said the Government told them NOT TO SELL CARS…Except in situations where it was urgent and essential that someone buys a car (such as when someone totals their vehicle and needs to get a replacement, etc).

    Like Anglin says, We can all go to the big Corporate owned Supermarkets, and that does appear to be where EVERYONE is going. Fred Meyer, Walmart, Rosauers, Safeway, (and any big chain stores in your areas) are OPEN and making Vast PROFITS.

    Amazingly, these same stores will NOT REFUND anything right now…..”due to Covid19″ of course. But hundreds of people are walking around at any given time in their stores and touching everything. I took something back to Walmart and they wouldn’t refund right now, but the lady in the Mask thought it was stupid too. She’s just doing her job.

  151. @Commentator Mike

    So how come the authorities can’t get their hands on him when they are locking up people for the most trivial of reasons?

    One theory I can come up with: The gameplan after Cville appeared to be keeping Anglin and his acolytes sidelined on the dark web, far away from any possible exposure to normie eyes. This included never mentioning his name in the press. Perhaps this could have gone so far as to not worrying about arresting him, since that would force his name–and, like Ted K or Tim M., his ideas–back into the normiesphere.

    Let sleeping dogs lie, as it were.

  152. SafeNow says:

    “100% now living will die. You too. Cancer, heart disease, accident, random murder … ever wonder what will get ya eventually?”

    Medical negligence. According to a 2016 Hopkins report, 250,000 die annually from medical negligence. It was the third-leading cause of death at the time of the Hopkins report. Perhaps it will now slip to number 4, because “ventilators” might now have entered the top 3.

  153. @anon

    Are you a doctor or scientist that has collected Data from patients for the last 2 months, to prove what you are saying? If not, it sounds like you are just regurgitating what the “Official Narrative” is, which has been derived from Pharmaceutical & Corporate supported Mouthpieces such as Fauci, Neil Ferguson, and all the rest of them that are circulating Mainstream media outlets Spreading False numbers BASED ON THEORY. Talk about THEORY!! Well the mainstream is full of Conspiracy Theorists right now.

    Those who are dealing in facts are being censored:

    This is only one sample of Data Facts that have been compiled – Simple Biology 101:

    Full 108 minute version of the interview that Youtube censored: An Interview of Dr. Erickson and Dr. Massihi by 23ABC News in Bakersfield, California who work at Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, California was censored by Youtube. The Doctors say the shut-down should be lifted based on the Data that medical facilities have now had time to compile over the last couple months. They explain why the Shut-down was the wrong thing to do. Original video from 23ABC News:

    https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/accelerated-urgent-care-doctors-recommend-lifting-shelter-in-place-order

    or watch at Bitchute:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/OSofujuOtgc0/.

  154. @Anonymous

    It doesn’t matter where you comment on the internet; Your comments/information is always subject to the spooks. They don’t need “back doors” to sites. Hundreds of Thousands of employees work for the NSA. They’re not just doing administrative work there.

  155. thordaddy says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Yeah, “Hunter,” but you WILL NOT embrace Perfection, ie., objective Supremacy, EVEN THOUGH you consider yourself a Christian.

    So you necessarily taint your belief in “medicine and science” with stank egalitarianism.

  156. Ruckus says:
    @450.org

    “Damn Ron, are you trying to get the ADL up your ass? Love Anglin, thanks for posting.”

    I think the ADL is already here. In the post after the above quote, no less.

  157. Alden says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Good for you. I have some big scarves I never wear because I don’t like big scarves. I think I might do a Muslim woman thing with them. Or die some old sheets black and shroud myself completely.

  158. Usura says:
    @Sam Miller

    While I haven’t read Griffin’s work, Johnson’s angle is that the virus’ spread is due to globalism and unrestricted immigration. He contends that big viral outbreaks are a normal part of multicultural societies, and hopes that this one will increase pro-white nationalist sentiment worldwide as people come to see the folly of open borders. There’s a plausible level of consistency to this position, and it is memetically strategic. The narrative path he has chosen succors whites who believe COVID-19 is serious, but cannot understand why their governments’ responses have been so impotent. The article below lays out his views pretty clearly:

    https://www.counter-currents.com/2020/04/im-changing-my-tune-about-coronavirus/

    Johnson and the Counter-Currents crowd are not pro-freedom; most of its writers are Nietzscheans, and share that author’s appraisal of the longing for freedom as a contemptible aspect of slave-morality. It’s therefore not surprising or hypocritical that Johnson supports some actions of the current regime which align with his views. One could just as plausibly interpret his position as the mark of a high intellect that considers and adopts ideas on their merits, not on who else holds them.

    This isn’t the first context in which I have heard it insinuated that Johnson is some kind of saboteur however. He has been criticized by some on the pro-russian right for speaking to and influencing members of the Azov battalion in Ukraine, the infamously fascistic paramilitary wing of the anti-russian resistance forces, which has been funded indirectly by U.S. foreign aid and clandestine intelligence operations. Of course, it could be that Johnson is a CIA asset using white nationalism to further U.S. foreign policy objectives, but I find it unlikely. Would an ex-catholic philosophy professor and his fringe website be as effective or reliable an instrument for that than would well-funded front corporations and NGOs, per intelligence s.o.p.? It’s more likely that Johnson is leveraging chinks in the armor of the reigning regime, supporting fascistic elements within its own superstructure which, because of its foreign policy objectives, are immune from western media criticism in a way that U.S. ethno-nationalist paramilitary organizations are not.

    Anglin doesn’t have the luxury of .com clicks or payment processors. He relies on bitcoin donations to stay afloat.

    Neither does Counter-Currents; both are constantly de-platformed, and Counter-Currents is even banned from Coinbase. The Norwegian secret service arrested and deported Johnson for trying to speak at a small conference there, so Johnson’s white-nationalist street-cred is at least as high as Anglin’s.

    In summary, I hope both Johnson’s and Anglin’s readers can recognize their debate about COVID-19 as a relatively small disagreement over details among ideological peers. The resistance to COVID-19 lockdown policies on the right is understandable in light of the history of our tyrannical government, but claims that Johnson or his ilk are traitors to their cause are overstated.

    • Replies: @Sam Miller
  159. @Commentator Mike

    I get tired of hearing this kind of stuff.

    TBH, it really doesn’t matter if AA is a FED.

    I don’t think he’s a FED…..but it wouldn’t make any difference if he was. He writes some good stuff.

    If going to his site means they have me on their “list,” so what?

    I follow the laws, as most white men do. I’m not worried about it.

    Everyone on the dissident right has been called a FED.

    It’s stupid.

    This seems like a jew tactic to make people fear looking for alternative sources of information.

    The only adjustment I made was to lose Chrome and get Brave. I don’t use Tor and I don’t pay for any special software to hide my tracks.

    Are they going to arrest me for watching Chunk The Groundhog?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  160. Ruckus says:
    @Brad Griffin

    So you’re anti-freedom then. Got it.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  161. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Britain was initially following that same approach, until Neil Ferguson’s team at Imperial College London announced that 510,000 Brits and 2,200,000 Americans would die under the Do Nothing scenario.

    Looks like Lord Sumption has just backed up my claim:

    Excerpt from, The world may have to live with Covid for years to come: Imperial College London scientist warns vaccine may NEVER be created and outbreaks and lockdowns could become the norm:

    In a piece for the Mail on Sunday, Lord Sumption… criticised the Government’s ‘blind panic following the delivery of Imperial College London’s Professor Neil Ferguson’s statistical projections’.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282589/Imperial-College-London-scientist-warns-lockdowns-norm.html

    • Replies: @geokat62
  162. BADmejr says:
    @NotAllLatinsAreSlaves

    You’re full of shit on that one, man.

  163. Agent76 says:

    Apr 30, 2020 Funeral Directors in COVID-19 Epicenter Doubt Legitimacy of Deaths Attributed to Pandemic

    Apr 4, 2020 ΝYC-ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients.

    Mar 16, 2020 CONFIRMED! 5G Forced Installation In Schools Nationwide During COVID-19 Lockdown

    Guys, you need to get involved and do anything you can to spread this information.

  164. @Usura

    Neither does Counter-Currents; both are constantly de-platformed, and Counter-Currents is even banned from Coinbase. The Norwegian secret service arrested and deported Johnson for trying to speak at a small conference there, so Johnson’s white-nationalist street-cred is at least as high as Anglin’s.

    And this is why it’s hard to imagine why someone like Johnson would be shilling for the mainstream narrative. While I agree with him that multiculturalism has helped to put us in this position, kowtowing to a government-imposed lockdown as a remedy for a government-induced problem is madness.

  165. VVZ says:
    @Greg Bacon

    And look what the CDC website says on Corona Virus deaths, as of May 1st 37,308. Where did this “WorldoMeter” website come from out of nowhere, that everyone seems to cite as the expert on counting the CV deaths? I never heard of it previously, now it’s everywhere. Kind of like when Google and Facebook first took hold.
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

    • Agree: Yusef
    • Replies: @Adelaar
  166. VVZ says:
    @Saggy

    LOL Vox. What, nothing from Buzzfeed, Teen Vogue or Huffington Post?

  167. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    Here’s how 2 gay men have their own baby. They find an 18 to 30 year good looking healthy woman with at least 1300 verified SAT scores and pay her a large sum of money to be the womb and birth canal. They also have her sign contracts to never ever never attempt to track down the baby and assert parental rights.

    The mother takes hormone pills for a couple months to produce several instead of one egg each cycle.

    They both Jack off into a cup. The contents of each cup are mixed into one cup and frozen. On the exact day of the month the mother goes to the clinic the sperm is untoward and injected.

    If it works they’ll get a zygote. If not, try try again.

    Most people like to meet the surrogate mom to make sure they’re getting a medium to tall slim light haired White skinned high normal IQ White mother instead of a short fat dark Mexican mom

    It costs a lot of money. It’s not just finding the perfect mom but the painful horrible months of hormone treatment pregnancy and giving up the baby to 2 fags that the moms need to be paid for.

    My opinion on the China flu hoax. For my entire adult life I have followed the principle that if something is in the NYSLIMES, LASLIMES, Atlantic, New Republic, on TV news it’s a lie and the opposite is true.

    Once again my assumption that the media lied came true.

  168. @Ruckus

    Pretty much everything that is wrong with our society can best be understood as an excess of liberty, equality, tolerance, rights, individualism, etc.

    The coronavirus epidemic is only the latest example. There is a reason why more Americans have died of COVID-19 than anywhere else on earth. How many people died in Taiwan? It was 6 people last time I checked.

  169. It’s real easy for Anglin to dismiss the devastating impacts of Covid-19. The guy lives in a sprawling compound deep in the mountainous Democratic Republic of the Congo. There’s little chance of this Chinese virus ever reaching him.

    I get all my virus opinions from TRS. There’s one guy on TDS who used to drive an ambulance. He explains all the complex virology stuff. Then there are the two guys on FTN who explain the big line go up or down, the impact to stonks and also how money machine go brrrrr. Also, they explain how to get a bag. So that’s where I go to get the facts around this pandemic.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  170. Brad Griffin and Andrew Anglin have known each other for a long time. Brad Griffin is posting about Anglin:
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/09/14/daily-stormer-andrew-anglin-is-just-a-character/

    There was a video floating around of Andrew Anglin walking around at night in a shopping district in an Asian Pacific country with what he called his Filipina jailbait girlfriend but I can’t find it at the moment.

    The above “Filipina jailbait” video was posted on a site since taken down, but I did manage to find and upload to mediafire.com another famous video from August 2017 where Anglin says he doesn’t hate anyone and he’s just playing a role of being a bigot and it’s all just performance art.

    http://www.mediafire.com/file/2te2y5fr62ln34m/Andrew-Anglin-Current-Status-Daily-Stormer-Weird-Events-Surrounding.mp4/file

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @thordaddy
  171. cranc says:

    If even the CDC are now (May 1st, Facebook) comparing the Covid hospitalisation rate to that of ‘a high severity flu season’, will Ron Unz retract his labelling as ‘fluhoaxers’ all who have made this point over recent weeks ?

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  172. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    The last of a dying breed!

    Lord Sumption explains national overreaction to coronavirus:

    Description:

    Published on Mar 30, 2020
    Here, Lord Sumption appears on BBC Radio as World at One, and carefully explains how we are at risk of descending into authoritarianism.

    • Thanks: Yusef
    • Replies: @trickster
  173. Alden says:
    @450.org

    Hundreds of military rifle carrying. Black Panthers from Oakland did once storm the Ca state capitol building. They didn’t stay on the lawn. They stormed inside the state assembly room while the assembly was in session with their rifles stolen by black national guardsmen from the national guard armories in the Bay Area.

    Nothing was done because they were funded and created by John Kennedy in law Sergeant Shriver as part of the federal War On Poverty Program.

    After the incident they got tens of millions more in federal funding to carry on their pseudo revolutionary activities and take over black crime in Oakland, Richmond and the east bay.

    • Replies: @450.org
  174. AA,

    What’s this obsession about the emergency measures crashing the economy? The world economy crashed a long time ago, unless you consider one propped up by ever increasing debt and the printing of fake money an “economy”. Sure the shops weren’t shuttered, businesses weren’t closed down and millions weren’t laid off. But it was bound to happen sometime, sooner or later, virus or no virus, emergency or no emergency. Still, they may extend the life support of this long bankrupt system by injecting some more of that same juice to keep the fake “economy” going on for a little longer.

  175. G J T says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Again with the false equivalencies, your specialty it would appear. Rightful distrust of our ZOG “authorities,” including those in the medical field, is NOT the same as “rejecting medicine and science.”

    You sound like every anti-white, zogified American liberal I’ve ever heard.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  176. KenH says:

    Brad Griffin and a few other dissident righters have been a huge disappointment on COVID-19 and have become nothing but chicken littles and Faucitards. They commanded us to trust a government that hates white people and wishes to see us gone to do the right thing and take care of us. They lost a great deal of credibility which will take a long time to get back.

    Anglin has been very level headed about COVID-19 and trying to report the facts and keep an open mind rather than pretend he has all the answers as Griffin, Spencer and some of the others have.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  177. @Robert Dolan

    Well you are right and there’s no escaping the snooping state in the world of electronic surveillance and the internet being the main mode of communication. I just have a natural suspicion by force of habit and hate making it any easier for them. I don’t like having to register to post comments on sites or boards so that’s why UR is one of the very few sites I comment on as it doesn’t require registration or link to Facebook or whatever else. I don’t see why other alternative sites require registration in order to post comments and don’t make it as easy as this.

  178. Jake says:

    My foreign born, foreign raised, non-white neighbor says that he thinks it is wrong to lift restrictions now. He is certain that the US Government knows more than any other government and also is honest. He thinks a bunch of crazy, violent citizens with guns have forced the Government t0 put people like him in danger.

  179. Thank you Mr. Unz for allowing Mr. Anglin to respond to the recent hit piece against him. Now maybe people can see just why he is so popular- he’s an amazing writer, thinker, advocate, and is a one-man wrecking crew.

    Since I’ve found his site, I visit it more times daily than all other news sites combined- because he doesn’t hold back, is an amazing writer, and is prolific af. This is the first time that I am finally able to thank him for all his hard work and for becoming one of my biggest inspirations.

    Call me and others fanboys, you can’t deny that he didn’t earn all the respect that you’re seeing here, even while being constantly attacked, misrepresented, and unfunded. His writing is a breath of fresh air as I can tell it comes from the heart and is unadulterated by popular narrative. When I see what he has had to go through and still thrive nonetheless, it gives me incredible inspiration.

    Andrew, I can’t thank you enough for your tireless work and advocacy for those of us with targets constantly painted on our backs. You’re an incredible inspiration, leader, and thinker. I’m saying this from the heart. You’re constantly right on target and it’s a wonder to watch you navigate this modern hellscape that wants to destroy you. You’ve earned every bit of praise that you see now flooding this page.

    Please don’t stop. While you can’t pinpoint your exact influence on the rest of us, rest assured it is monumental.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  180. Jake says:
    @David riskanalyst

    Half of more of the posters who claim to be or sound like Nazis actually are in the service of the ADL or SPLC or FBI or ATF or CIA, etc.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @aandrews
    , @obwandiyag
    , @VVZ
  181. aandrews says:
    @Jake

    That’s why I’m always paranoid about my grammar and spelling.

  182. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    He used to be a nazi but he betrayed his cause!

    So be sure to believe whatever crap he comes up with.

  183. Rosie says:
    @G J T

    ‘A good question to ask these “fluthers” is just why they are – all of a sudden and out of the blue – believing the government.

    There’s a very simple answer to this, and it’s that a viral pandemic is very much against the interests of the establishment. This is not the sort of thing that they would be motivated to fabricate. To the contrary, one would expect them to minimize this totally foreseeable result of transnationalism.

    I’m not saying HW is right. I don’t know if he is or isn’t. All I say is that Greg Johnson is correct in seeing this as an opportunity for nationalism. Remember, we’ve been told for decades that borders can’t be controlled. Migration is a force of nature, etc.

  184. @Jake

    You are the voice of reason in a sea of disingenuousness.

    • Replies: @Jake
  185. @cranc

    Feel free to cite the “bad flu season” that killed 50,000 people with confirmed test results in April in the span of one month. Not CDC estimates.

    • Replies: @cranc
  186. We know the chingchong flu death toll will never reach six million.

    That number’s spoken for.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  187. Agent76 says:

    Jan 14, 2019 5G Wireless: A Dangerous ‘Experiment on Humanity’

    Scientists, environmental groups, doctors and citizens around the world are appealing to all governments to halt telecommunications companies’ deployment of 5G (fifth generation) wireless networks, which they call “an experiment on humanity and the environment that is defined as a crime under international law.”

  188. @KenH

    I’m not a crackpot trying to debunk doctors and scientists in a national emergency.

    Anglin said it was a normal flu season. What normal flu season has 68,000 confirmed deaths in March and April? Not CDC estimates. Confirmed deaths. People in body bags who died in a hospital from flu. Answer that question.

    Actually, 50,000 people have died in a month from the flu before. When was the last time that happened?

  189. Drogger says:

    The guy who kised little black boys and gets federal aid becoming a boomer before our very eyes. So much fun. Lol Anglin was always a joke, but it went too far. Maybe he’ll be funny again one day.

  190. Adelaar says:
    @VVZ

    Where did this “WorldoMeter” website come from out of nowhere, that everyone seems to cite as the expert on counting the CV deaths?

    If you’re referring to “Our World in Data”, they are funded by Bill Gates.

    https://ourworldindata.org/supporters

    • Replies: @VVZ
  191. VVZ says:
    @Jake

    And you know this how?

  192. Yep, here we go again. Jewish activists(and their cuck minions) work with Jewish oligarchs to shut down free speech, but another craven coward(Little Timmy) calls it ‘Chinese-style censorship’. Given that Jewish Power has pushed this kind of censorship all over EU, Canada, and US, isn’t it time to call it ‘Jewish-style censorship’? Most pressures for more censorship in the West comes from Jews and Jewish organizations. But that would be ‘antisemitic’, and besides, the supposedly courageous voices dare not step on the Jew Taboo third rail lest they get censored too. Those who blame China or Chinese-style whatever instead of Jewish Power are just self-censoring, and if they don’t have the courage to speak truth to and about Real Power, they really need to shut up. What is next? Censorship of BDS is ‘Chinese-style’ than Jewish-led?

    Maybe next time blacks rob and loot, all these brave commentators can remark that some Americans are into Viking-style or Tatar-style hooliganism… without ever mentioning that most of these thugs are black.

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  193. @Jake

    Your neighbor is falling for the Kosher Dialectic that was very well covered by by Jazzhands McFeels and James Allsup in their recent show titled: Pandemic of False Dialectics. They do a deep dive on Jewish tricks and how astroturfed, acceptable “sides” are created, so the two camps can then fight against each other while what really counts gets manipulated by a chosen tribe that loves to dwell in the shadows.

    Whites envision and engineer great things, always to have it hijacked and sabotaged by the chosen for their own ends to handicap the rest of us.

    I am past the point of expecting non-whites to ever empathize with us. They may not always be enemies, but they sure aren’t our friends, particularly when taken as a group.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  194. VVZ says:
    @Adelaar

    Actually, I am referring to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, which everyone including Brad Wallace/Hunter Griffin or whatever name he goes by today uses as an official CoronaVirus death count. But, I don’t doubt Gates or someone of his ilk funds that also.

  195. @G J T

    I distrust attention whores, clickbait conspiracy theorists and crackpots.

    12,400 people died from swine flu in 2009/2010.

    24,000 people die in a mild flu season like we had this year. CDC estimate.

    37,000 people die in an average flu season. CDC estimate.

    61,000 people died in the worst of all normal flu seasons. CDC estimate.

    The death toll from COVID-19 is now beyond “just the flu” numbers. We have 68,581 confirmed deaths, not estimates, with only 20% of total cases resolved. It’s not the flu, bro.

  196. thordaddy says:
    @David riskanalyst

    All this stuff is theatre…

    Still though, someone has the truest act.

    In this scenario, it’s Andrew Anglin.

    When someone tells you that someone else died of “Covid-19,” it’s not actually known what that someone died of. You might assume a “novel virus,” but that’s just an assumption hidden beneath “Covid-19.”

    “Covid-19” is an empty medical neologism being employed to hide “medical murders.”

  197. @Widenose Privilege

    Pandemic of False Dialectics

    Just started it. They lost me at, “a lot of dialectics to unpack” in a globuled DJ voice, so within the first minute. Standards must be maintained.

    “reign in the coronavirus lockdown debate,” then something like, “Is there a third way?”

    These are people playing at—aspiring to be—Cs.

  198. thordaddy says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Damn “Hunter.”

    I said to you some ten years ago…

    You can choose white Supremacy or self-annihilation is chosen for you.

    And now, you’re one of those self-annihilation for salvation “Christians.”

    The Tort virus is far deadlier FOR YOU than this coronavirus. So, yeah, it’s kind of like the flu for you compared to the infection of Tort’s viral spew.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  199. So Anglin believes that if we demand our govt and their owners let us return from “shutdown”, that they will not be evil anymore? That they will just stop and cancel all the diabolical plans they’ve already made?

    That the already fake propped up “econoomy” will suddenly become great again? As if it weren’t already due for another collapse and mass looting. Economy was hanging by a cunt hair long before the virus, as designed.

    By the way, nothing will return to “normal’ until testing is widespread and free of charge or very cheap. Most people can’t afford a 100k plus hospital bill, and are not going to risk it to eat at Cracker Barrel. Anyone worried about them tracking you with some NWO chip should know that they already can with your phone. Could also just put it in a credit card or drivers licence that you carry all the time.

    A new study from Salami University in Iran shows that Mericans under lockdown, especially those who already spent too much time trolling the web before corona, are rapidly becoming dumber, if that is even possible.

    I think many here are forgetting the point of the virus. I really don’t think they need to go this far to pass some un-constitutional police state BS. They pass the patriot act every time it comes back up for a vote willy nilly. This is something bigger. Turn off the Alex Jones. Sorry, but your hero Trump won’t be riding to the rescue. Same would be happening if they had selected Hillary also

    Probably war, they just tried sneaking some bad dudes into Venezuela this morning. Got caught, some killed. One DEA agent in custody. Why is it they’re so desperate to take out Venezuela?

    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Venezuelan-Assembly-Vows-to-Defend-Country-After-Border-Attack-20200503-0004.html?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

    • Troll: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  200. @Brad Griffin

    61,000 people died in the worst of all normal flu seasons. CDC estimate.

    The death toll from COVID-19 is now beyond “just the flu” numbers. We have 68,581 confirmed deaths, not estimates, with only 20% of total cases resolved. It’s not the flu, bro.

    Using that standard, based on inarguably goosed numbers, the 61,000 year was “not the flu”.

    Almost fun to watch the Chicken Little squad running into the brick wall of their foundering. Those numbers, even inflated, are anti-persuasive. They prove that the reaction was disproportionate.

    Want to talk future gloom? Just wait. You’re going to get religion in its most direct form.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  201. MPO says:

    The numbers you endlessly site are suspect at best. Please looks up the words presumptive and probable.

    From the Johns Hopkins Covid-19 dashboard:

    Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases and probable cases in accordance with CDC guidelines as of April 14.

    Death totals in the US include confirmed and probable, in accordance with CDC guidelines as of April 14.

    Recovered cases outside China are estimates based on local media reports, and state and local reporting when available, and therefore may be substantially lower than the true number.

    Active cases = total confirmed – total recovered – total deaths.

    Incidence Rate = confirmed cases per 100,000 persons.

    Case-Fatality Ratio (%) = Number recorded deaths / Number confirmed cases.

  202. anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Saggy

    But seriously, what is Anglin saying about women that isn’t true?

    • Replies: @Shekelstein
  203. MPO says:
    @schnellandine

    I use a baseball catcher’s mask myself.

  204. @anon

    Thank you for your opinion.

  205. Poco says:
    @jack daniels

    I didn’t think it was your fault.

  206. Angharad says:
    @313Chris

    This. Brad is making a fool out of himself.

  207. @Brad Griffin

    80,000 flu deaths 2018 and nobody cared.

    Covid death total has been fudged/upsold and we know this for sure.

    JF just posted graphs that indicate that TOTAL deaths year to year are NOT out of line this year, even with the lying to increase the Covid death numbers. James O’Keefe just released a clip regarding how they increase the Covid numbers by blaming everything on Covid.

    Yes, Covid death numbers jumped in a five week period…..you go back a few years and you find just as many deaths from the flu over a longer period……but the totals are about the same.

    We know it’s not the flu, but it’s LIKE the flu, the symptoms are similar, and so are the death rates and the demographics of the people most likely to be harmed.

    It’s the REACTION of the western governments that is so suspect, totally out of proportion to the actual danger, which leads one to believe that they have some other agenda.

    Whitney Webb and others have shown us that Gates/Rockefeller Foundation and other globalist entities have had simulations and studies regarding the Coronavirus, and they see this as an opportunity to implement police state measures, surveillance, digital currency, FRC, AI, etc.
    They admire the Chinese model and want to emulate it. They want to get rid of “legacy” laws and bothersome institutions and develop “lockstep,” which I would call goyim control.

    This isn’t conspiracy theory, this is fact.

    So, the virus isn’t exactly a hoax per se, but the jew media pushed scam level exaggeration.

    Sweden made them look bad, but since the facts are coming out, even the WHO has had to give Sweden some credit. Not that I give a fuck what those commie shitheads think, just sayin’.

    And stop talking about the “cases” bullshit because we are on to that. The death rate is not accurately compiled by “cases” of severely ill people who go to the hospital. The death rate is evaluated by finding the total number of people INFECTED as the denominator, and the total number of deaths as the numerator.

    80% of those exposed have zero to mild symptoms. Many of the infected people had no idea, had no symptoms at all.

    Do you realize how many people die from TB every year?

    1.7 MILLION.

    And nobody cares.

    AIDS kills two million.

    Malaria kills one million.

    And you never hear about it, and we don’t shut healthy people in their homes and make them lose their jobs and wreck the economy.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Thanks: schnellandine
  208. @thordaddy

    I’m not a white supremacist.

    Contrast the 68,500 people who have died here from coronavirus to the 6 people who have died from it in Taiwan.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  209. Agent76 says:

    Jan 4, 2019 UN Staff Member: 5G Is War on Humanity

    Disclosure about 5G — and its unprecedented risk for humanity — is occurring within the United Nations.

  210. @schnellandine

    LOL.

    Flu truthers don’t understand the difference between confirmed deaths – a person who died in a hospital with a positive test result from COVID-19 – and CDC flu season estimates.

    If we compare confirmed deaths of flu and pneumonia in the 2017/2018 flu season to confirmed deaths of COVID-19, we are comparing around 15,000 to 68,500 dead bodies. There isn’t an estimate of COVID-19 deaths comparable to flu season deaths which is an extrapolation from pneumonia deaths.

    The current death toll has refuted flu truthism. It is already 4x higher than confirmed flu deaths of a non-pandemic flu season at its highest watermark.

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan, Hail
  211. Angharad says:
    @Jake

    He needs to go back where he came from. Tell him to GO.

  212. FemCrim says:
    @MB

    Bill Gates finally got Windows right?

  213. I appreciate these two gentlemen and wordsmiths trying to educate us on the COVID-19. Much information was garnered. I’m thinking there was an overreaction to the virus but perhaps it was understandable. Will our low-class politicians now be able to adjust? IAC, I hope there will be no hard feelings between the two gentlemen over the debate and they will be able to bump elbows when it is all over.

  214. @redmudhooch

    Thanks for that link about the DEA terrorist infiltration into Venezuela. What could they possibly have hoped to achieve with such a pathetic incursion? Still it could be a prelude to more widespread operations to come in the near future or later on, even much later on. They have been known to launch such failures elsewhere in the past only to succeed at a later date to install pro-American regimes in targetted countries. Even good men need a rest but evil never sleeps.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  215. Ruckus says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Hey crackpot, you know they’re including heart attacks and blunt force trauma victims in the covid death stats, right?

    Let’s see another one of your patented midwit auto-responses 🙂

  216. Angharad says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Hi, Brad.

    This is what a grown man, a real Hero looks and sounds like.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=612&v=DTqipTcwxyA&feature=emb_title

    What are YOU going to say to your little boy, when he’s old enough to understand?

  217. @Brad Griffin

    Wait… hear that? It’s the TLA (tortured language alert) klaxon, and she’s tolling for thee:

    confirmed deaths – a person who died in a hospital with a positive test result from COVID-19 –

    You. Are. A. Fraud.

    confirmed deaths of COVID-19, we are comparing

    The current death toll

    It is already 4x higher than confirmed flu deaths of a non-pandemic flu season at its highest watermark.

    You should get a free hat when you stock up on that many obfuscatory qualifiers.

    Find a solid dictionary. Look up disproportionate.

  218. Ron Unz says:

    Well, since this thread seems to have become a natural magnet for huge numbers of zealous Flu Hoaxers, perhaps they can respond to a simple question I raised a week or two ago, after the NYC infection rates turned out to be 21%:

    Over the last six weeks, there have been over 19K “excess deaths” in NYC, suggesting that the Coronavirus has killed something like 0.22% of the total population:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html

    There are lots of timing issues and complexities in conflicting directions. But if we just just crudely apply the 21% infection rate to the 0.22% death rate, we end up with an IFR of over 1%, which is VERY high.

    If the Coronavirus has an IFR of 1% and were allowed to spread across the country and infect (say) 200M Americans, it would produce at least a couple of million deaths, probably much more since the health care system would crash.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/#comment-3856369

    I also noted the remarkable statistics published in the Financial Times a couple of days later:

    There’s obviously a lot of both over-counting and under-counting of Coronavirus deaths, so the most solid statistic to look at is the *total* weekly death rate, and compare the figure with the normal ones for particular countries or cities. The Financial Times just came out with an important article in that regard that contains some very telling charts:

    https://www.ft.com/content/6bd88b7d-3386-4543-b2e9-0d5c6fac846c

    Looking at these, if I didn’t know any better, I’d think that there was some epidemic of a fairly dangerous disease sweeping through those locations.

    Now most estimates are that the Coronavirus only has a 1% fatality rate, lower for younger people and higher for older people. But when you multiple 1% by a pretty big population, you get a pretty big number.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/lifting-the-lockdown-easy-does-it/#comment-3862525

    Now obviously the Coronavirus isn’t likely to exterminate our country since it only seems to have a fatality rate of 1% or less, meaning that 99% would survive. So even in a worst-case scenario, it would probably only kill a couple of million Americans. And whether a couple of million dead Americans is a big number or a small number is obviously a matter of personal opinion.

    But unless all these international statistics are simply fictional, I really don’t understand the reasoning of all these diehard Flu Hoaxers…

  219. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Regardless of whether it was more or less transmissible, I believe the government has a right to temporarily lockdown in a fast moving situation to assess options and plan. I think its a reasonable position to hold. I don’t think the Chinese were stupid for doing so.

    Surely a halt of international flights and testing of eveyone who arrived from China within the past month would be the fastest way to cover all possibilities?

    Anyway, that’s fine but it’s not the issue. The twin issues are that:
    1. The Chinese are claiming they’ve beaten it, when it’s probably already spread across the whole country.
    2. Many governments are STILL enforcing a lock down when the virus clearly burned itself out 2 weeks ago.

  220. thordaddy says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Yes, “Hunter,” but this is a problem. It was a problem ten years ago and it’s obviously worse now. You despise “Americans,” show antipathy towards “whites,” practice an inverted Christianity (one that denies Supremacy) and now shill for the “intellectual experts.” These are all deleterious developments.

    Your argument for “deadly virus” is stunningly clinical.

    Anglin’s had at least some “blood and soil” passion to it.

  221. @Brad Griffin

    80K flu deaths in 2018 is a FACT.

    WTF are you talking about?

    JF also showed graphs that indicate flu/pneumonia deaths are down this year…..surely mislabeled as “Covid.”

    JF is a PhD.

    What are you?

    I mean, besides being the guy who hates Andrew Anglin.

  222. @Ron Unz

    Even granting your argument, Ron, that Covid-19 is twice or several times more lethal than a bad flu, I believe the pushback on this thread is largely a rational response to the unprecedented, or almost unprecedented, lockdown. It is reasonable to assume that federal, state, and local governments can’t lock it down in every instance of future threat, so in that case a natural work-around for government is to install various control mechanisms to ensure that people will respond appropriately when directed in times of threat, and to identify and apprehend those who fail to respond appropriately. This is the issue. The current lockdown is being relaxed in many areas, the damage is largely done and will not be reversed. I believe this debate is about the future, what will be done in that frame, and how it will affect the distribution of liberty.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Pansophic_Gothi
  223. Angharad says:
    @Ron Unz

    The answer is, “So what?” Considering the rate of transmission – every-one is going to be exposed. Build up your immune system – and deal with it. Everyone is supposed to stay inside for the rest of our lives. Nope. No can do.

    • Replies: @Pansophic_Gothi
    , @utu
  224. Ron Unz says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Even granting your argument, Ron, that Covid-19 is twice or several times more lethal than a bad flu

    Well, all the estimates I’ve seen are that the IFR of “the flu” is somewhere below 0.1%, and the NYC data seems to suggest that the IFR of Covad-19 might be around 1%, at least ten times higher. Also, a good fraction of the general population already has immunity to an annual flu wave, plus we have vaccines, so many times more people would likely get infected from this virus.

    Combine those two factors together, and I think allowing the Coronavirus to sweep through America relatively unhindered by strong government action might kill 30x-40x more Americans than a fairly severe flu season.

    But obviously, it’s entirely a matter of personal opinion whether such a factor of 30x-40x is considered “large”…

    • Replies: @thordaddy
    , @Stan d Mute
  225. @Robert Dolan

    LOL.

    1.) The CDC estimates that 61,000 people died in the 2017/2018 flu season.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

    2.) These flu deaths are also estimates, not confirmed deaths with a positive test result. Confirmed flu deaths normally range from 3,488 to 15,620 in the worst flu season on record (2017/2018).

    3.) According to the CDC, flu and pneumonia deaths are now at epidemic levels, but these are actually COVID-19 deaths.

    http://archive.is/rALvk#selection-821.0-821.217

    4.) Well, I fancy myself as more of a historian. Can you tell me when we was the last time in the United States that 50,000 people died of “just the flu, bro” in April?

    5.) 195,000 Americans died of the Spanish Flu in October 1918. Do you think we will surpass that before the 2020 election? After all, 53,000 died in April, which was more than the first wave in 1918.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  226. @Denis

    As if I am really concerned with owning an identity on the net. Please.

  227. @Poco

    All is being recorded. But not everything is under surveillance.

  228. @Commentator Mike

    To put it simply, AA is a useful idiot who is allowed to roam free so long as he can keep new worker bees coming to the hive.

  229. thordaddy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron…

    You’re making a vital mistake and one endemic to “liberal collectivists.”

    “America” no longer has a core unit of Americans.

    When the media trumpets 68 thousand “Americans” having died of “Covid-19,” all those not thoroughly deracinated know that this means next to nothing. “American,” like “Covid-19” is a MERE LABEL used to HIDE more specific information about a conglomerate of disparate “things.”

    Appealing to “Americans” by touting the mass death of “Americans” just does not jibe in the land of “radical autonomy.”

    There is no there there.

  230. aandrews says:
    @Ron Unz

    The severity of infection and disease in populations seems to be markedly haphazard. That could be one reason, if not the main reason, for dismissive attitudes.

    The Covid-19 Riddle: Why Does the Virus Wallop Some Places and Spare Others?
    By Hannah Beech, Alissa J. Rubin, Anatoly Kurmanaev and Ruth Maclean
    May 3, 2020
    Updated 11:28 a.m. ET

    The coronavirus has touched almost every country on earth, but its impact has seemed capricious. Global metropolises like New York, Paris and London have been devastated, while teeming cities like Bangkok, Baghdad, New Delhi and Lagos have, so far, largely been spared.

    The question of why the virus has overwhelmed some places and left others relatively untouched is a puzzle that has spawned numerous theories and speculations but no definitive answers. That knowledge could have profound implications for how countries respond to the virus, for determining who is at risk and for knowing when it’s safe to go out again.

    There are already hundreds of studies underway around the world looking into how demographics, pre-existing conditions and genetics might affect the wide variation in impact.

  231. thordaddy says:
    @Brad Griffin

    You are seeing this backwards, “Hunter.”

    YOU NEED to PROVE that these UNLAWFUL actions saved a SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE as of yet.

    The individual has no more control over the aggregate death count of his country than he does over the “value” of his “currency.”

    We KNOW FOR A FACT that the AMERICAN body-count is WRONG because not all dead are actually Americans.

    We also know for a fact that “Covid-19” is a medical neologism and therefore meaningless drivel as far as those outside the medical field are concerned. “Covid-19” literally has no meaning save a connection to a “novel coronavirus.”

    We also know that hospitals are places of “murder by accident.”

    Then there is the simple idea that a vaccine is a bioweapon per scientifically-modified virus.

    See “Hunter,” if you died of “Covid-19,” the media would claim that another “American” died. But, they would be lying.

    You need to put your focus back on the Southern Monopoly. This thing is coming apart and a “deadly virus” needs to be put in its proper perspective.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  232. @Ron Unz

    This is the truth of the matter, I don’t get why all the “just a flu” people have been ignoring it for weeks. The real CV deaths are much much higher than flu, and that is WITH lockdowns.

    I don’t have an agenda here and I do believe the lockdowns will cause economic collapse, but it all seems unavoidable for a long list of reasons that both sides also ignore.

    The other retarded thing about a “cv hoax” is that none of this benefits the globalist corporate establishment govt. They had everything they wanted already (except Trump being a thorn in their side). We were powerless to stop them, the sheep masses obey, big line goes up, they loot the middle class. The pandemic is devastating GDP and growth which is ultimate the ONLY thing they care about. The visible effects of the pandemic are default implementations of nationalist and socialist policies because that’s what it takes to try and survive. The rich and powerful that make all the decisions are losing trillions over this, and for what? Because of vaccine and microchip conspiracies? Or that it’s fun to make their billions of wageslaves unemployed and unable to generate work units any more? Anything intentional about this is nonsense, I cannot see any large organization on Earth that benefits from this, they’re all getting raped, and the public sentiment is turning against globohomo on top of it, because globohomo policies are obviously unsustainable when real shit happens. If there is some shadowy terrorist org/shadow govt benefiting from this then it’s a very deep conspiracy unrelated to the things we know.

    And btw western govts have totally fucked themselves with the corrupt legal system and self serving lawyer industry, lawsuits are the most paralyzing and crippling aspect of a pandemic because no one in any official govt or business position can win against the lawsuit madness. They can do nothing but try to play it safe and lol they don’t even know what safe is and they’ll all get sued to oblivion anyway. Collapse is overdue. (btw news is already out about waves of hundreds of lawsuits being filed over every aspect of the pandemic response or lack thereof, glhf)

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  233. @Robert Dolan

    JF is wrong, those “low flu/pneumonia death numbers” are fake news. Those stats have a standard delay in reporting, unlike CV which is being hyped for the latest stats. When the flu/pneumonia death numbers for the periods in question finally came out updated they showed that in fact deaths to to “random nonspecific flu/pneumonia” are WAY up. Along with total weekly deaths compared to year over year, as Unz listed above. CV deaths are far higher than any of you realize yet.

    Btw I like all these guys, it’s seems that somehow this is the ultimate insane thing to destroy the alt right.

  234. @Neil Templeton

    Or this is going to end globalism and end the uselessness of the modern western “economy”. It’s destroying everything that needs to be destroyed. The lockdowns are a result of how fucked up, fragile, and useless western civilization currently and truly is. When that’s fixed we can have a much better time with pandemics, like asian states.

  235. Smith says:

    I just want more Tik tok nurses videos.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  236. thordaddy says:
    @Pansophic_Gothi

    It’s as though you almost real eyes your masters as Evil incarnate. Now ponder, self-annihilation and eternal damnation.

    This is what’s “in store” at the new chopping mall of hellish horror.

    Where have you witnessed an actual life saved in all this “heroic” “life saving?”

    If the virus is real, the reaction has been a compounding of death.

    If the virus is hyped, the reaction has been a compounding of death.

    If the virus is fake, the reaction has been a compounding of death.

    Ergo, the reality of the virus is irrelevant.

    The reaction has compounded the death count no matter what conspiracy lingers around the virus.

    In other words, your masters kill people NOW to ostensibly “save lives” later.

  237. geokat62 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    They have been known to launch such failures elsewhere in the past only to succeed at a later date to install pro-American regimes in targetted countries.

    Pro-American? More like pro-Israeli.

  238. thordaddy says:

    If you are pontificating on “Americans” who have died of “Covid-19” then you cannot be stating anything meaningfully concrete because neither one of those “things” has a strict definition capable of providing indisputable conclusions.

    “American” is a category of “everyone,” now.

    “Covid-19” is a consortium of diseases + novel coronavirus infection.

    If the actual aim was to find REAL Americans that had died of a true viral overload of CoV-SARS2 then the actual number of Americans dying of “Covid-19” would, naturally, be much, much lower.

  239. @Angharad

    How is that “so what” if the data disproves the “CV is a flu/hoax” nonsense? That’s what the entire debate is about. To be sure, CV is a far more complex issue and there are a dozen more debates to be had about the issues around it, but we have to get past the question of exactly how dangerous it is. We can’t do that when most people on the right are screaming that it’s a flu and nothing will come of it (even if no actions were taken you can be sure there would be economic disaster anyway, when a deadly pandemic spreads).

    So, if you’re taking the position that CV is not a hoax, and it’s exactly as dangerous as the other side has been saying it is, but you think we should tough it out and accept casualties or whatever, then that’s fine, just say that. And tell Anglin while you’re at it.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  240. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    So even in a worst-case scenario, it would probably only kill a couple of million Americans.

    Holy sh*t, Ron. I got to hand it to you. Even Neil Ferguson, himself, has abandoned his 2.2 million estimate, but you’re still holding on strong. Now that’s some serious conviction on display.

    I get the feeling you’re the kind of person who gets very pot committed playing Texas Hold’em.

  241. @thordaddy

    Simple.

    New York City went into lockdown on March 22.

    Symptoms of COVID-19 appear between 2-14 days.

    15 days after going into lockdown, deaths from the virus peaked in New York City. Deaths have dropped from 571 (April 7) to 29 (May 1) in New York City. According to Andrew Anglin, the lockdown should have made matters worse, which would have shown up 14 days later.

    Let’s assume it actually was the flu which has an IFR of 0.o4% and that it infected 21% of New York City’s population in light of the recent antibodies test. 704 people in New York City should have died over the span of a month or 23 people a day should have died a day in New York City. This scenario assumes that no one has any immunity to this strand of the flu too.

    Is that what happened in New York City in April? How do you explain 18,706 deaths with a 0.04% IFR and 21% seroprevalence rate? Nevermind. If you are dumb enough to believe that 18,706 dropped deal of the flu in a month in New York City, you can’t follow anything I am telling you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  242. @Truth3

    Wow. The only thing that’s missing from their list is ‘Control of Wikipedia’.

  243. @EliteCommInc.

    So let each state decide whether or not it wants to copy Sweden. We ‘plague-denialists’ are not the ones pushing for a total lockdown in all 50 US states.

  244. finlander says:

    yep, I’m tired having a new mommy every day. I am so tired of having a new mommy every day, I would be willing to shove all “power-mommies” into ovens. Then, the remaining mommies and wannabe mommies, who remain outside of the ovens, will maybe get an inkling of what their place in the world is, and stop trying to mommy anyone ‘cept babies and very small children.

  245. Just a question for all the normies here: If this were a real plague, do you think we would all still be arguing about whether or not it was a real plague two months on?

    • Replies: @Angharad
    , @Anonymous
  246. sally says:
    @MB

    “collective temporary insanity induced by [wall street funded] media” by Andrew Anglin.. <= advertising is deductible because it funds the media and the media promotes wall street.

    Most Big Daddy monopoly powered companies are started by Greedy high energy individuals who form a corporation and get wall street investors to pump passive, investor owned periodically reoccurring, gobs of money into the high energy greedy hands of the founder. The wall street backed company then uses its wall street dollars to gut competition, to hire talent from competition, to fund Trojanization with ex wall street funded employees to fill high-profile jobs at government, at competitors, at global meetings, at government offices, schools and universities, at International meetings (to identify talent and to control or make standards), and to development projects solely to crush competition, to identify and to hire the guts of competitor talent. It is nearly impossible today to communicate with a government or large business if your system is not using an to date version of one of the wall street backed wall street funded projects that produced consumer products and if your software is configured to deny spying on your every keystroke.

    Wall Street is to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) operating in USA governed America, as the CCP is to Wall Street operating in CCP governed China. . Two privately owned entities, control the nation states and the nation states control the govern American and Chinese People. Both WS and CCP invest in enterprises led by greed seeking talent; neither WS or CCP will allow true uncontrolled competition to rise within their respective economic areas. Remember AOL, Netscape, Microtrend, Huewei and so others. In many South America countries, it is illegal to use state funds to purchase software, when better or equivalent software is available for free, but WS and CCP are changing that.

    Once everything goes digital software replaces the persons who used to get paid to answer the phone at government and business and IT replaces the decisions that WS or CCP funded enterprises make that governments enforce against those the governments govern.

    Wall Street capitalized companies met their match with Open Source. Someone needs to do with the Pharmaceuticals what was done with open source software. Each time wall street backed companies tried to invade the patented and copyrighted open source software (OS and apps) if ran into a wall of talent developing open source code that was likely to outperform wall street backed privately owned closed source code. Open Source code developers hired into a wall street enterprise could not find ways to use patents and copyrights or modified or stolen open source software to crush the better software available for free in open source, because any private label marketed improvement to Open Source, requires first, that the improvement be donated to the open source. So now the wall street ploy seems to be to become an Open Source programmer and to engineer the open source code into inferior code under cover of being there to improve it.

    Open source is like a virus, it keeps on multiplying. It invades the back offices, manned by IT talent, who must keep things operating, it is in those places that millions of computer gurus are using open source products because the privately owned products cannot do the job.

    Remove copyrights and patents and there will be no more wall street and the power of the CCP will be reduced to insignificant. .

    You ask “Is there really a mask shortage” just as Trump is ready to go to war to force oil suppliers to slow down oil production so that the price consumers pay for oil at the pump will be $4 a gallon, a wall street mask suppliers will appear just as soon as the mask prices reach acceptable levels on the wall street funded greed index. The decisions no longer belong to governments, they belong to WS and the CCP.

  247. G J T says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Lol, and over and over in circles we go. All you’re saying is that every argument you’re making, via the ZOG authorities, is self-evidently true; and that any argument to the contrary, is necessarily a “crackpot conspiracy theory.”

    You’re not doing yourself any favors on here, you’re simply confirming everything people are saying about you.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  248. 450.org says:
    @Alden

    I don’t condone that any more than I condone the armed white goons/thugs in the capitol buildings today. That was then and this is now. From a timing perspective, it’s apples and oranges. What would be done NOW if blacks did the same things whites are doing NOW, especially blacks from the ghettos?

    Interesting to note and add, at the time the Black Panthers occupied the capitol building per your example, the NRA was conveniently and hypocritically for gun control. Gun control is important when blacks want to use guns to protect themselves but not when white freaks want to use guns to conduct mass shootings or when black gang thugs want to use guns to further decimate impoverished black communities.

    https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act

    Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.”

    The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions.

    “The law was part of a wave of laws that were passed in the late 1960s regulating guns, especially to target African-Americans,” says Adam Winkler, author of Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms. “Including the Gun Control Act of 1968, which adopted new laws prohibiting certain people from owning guns, providing for beefed up licensing and inspections of gun dealers and restricting the importation of cheap Saturday night specials [pocket pistols] that were popular in some urban communities.”

    • Replies: @Angharad
  249. 450.org says:

    You’re making a vital mistake and one endemic to “liberal collectivists.”

    There’s no such thing. This is an abstract pseudo-intellectual fabrication that does not exist in any form in reality outside of vividly dysfunctional imaginations. The Dems, the DNC, are corporatists every bit as much as the GOP. On matters of the economy, they largely agree and so are just two sides of the same mass consumption growth-in-perpetuity coin. Dems are not “liberal collectivists.” They are Wall Street shills. Whores to High Finance.

  250. 450.org says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Flu truthers don’t understand the difference between confirmed deaths – a person who died in a hospital with a positive test result from COVID-19 – and CDC flu season estimates.

    If we compare confirmed deaths of flu and pneumonia in the 2017/2018 flu season to confirmed deaths of COVID-19, we are comparing around 15,000 to 68,500 dead bodies. There isn’t an estimate of COVID-19 deaths comparable to flu season deaths which is an extrapolation from pneumonia deaths.

    Thank you. I had asked this question in another thread and didn’t get an answer.Yearly deaths from flu is an estimate and the actual confirmed number is much, much lower. Excellent job of parsing this so we can compare apples to apples or in this case, bananas to bananas because these Flu Truthers surely are bananas.

    • Disagree: Manfred Arcane
  251. KenH says:
    @Brad Griffin

    I’m not a crackpot trying to debunk doctors and scientists in a national emergency.

    There’s a growing number of ER doctors and epidemiologists dissenting from the medical industrial complex/mainstream view that you wholly and unthinkingly subscribe to.

    Anglin said it was a normal flu season. What normal flu season has 68,000 confirmed deaths in March and April? Not CDC estimates.

    While COVID-19 is potentially deadly for some the deaths are being wildly inflated and counting people who died with COVID-19 but not necessarily of it. Some states, like New York, are adding deaths to the COVID-19 tally even if the decedents weren’t tested.

    The CDC has been instructing health officials to attribute deaths to COVID-19 even in the absence of testing if it can be inferred based on a reasonable degree of certainty. IOW, guesstimating. IOW, the official death toll has a huge margin of error.

    Around 80% of the dead in America are over 70 so institute targeted measures to protect nursing homes and the elderly but let the rest of us get on with life.

  252. Angharad says:
    @Pansophic_Gothi

    I’m not taking the position that the Chinese virus is a hoax. I never have. Don’t even try to mischaracterize what I’ve written, you OBVIOUS CIA hack .And NO – it’s not what the WuFlu debate is about at all.

    The virus is real – but the virus is being used to destroy America, To terrorize Americans into submission, and accept medical poison. To accept Gates and Kosher Company’s orders. To accept the injection, and the “papers” that allow Americans to leave their houses. NO. ZOG’S psychos are making their play, and more and more people are seeing through it. THAT’S what this is all about.

    The Trump ZOGlings want to dupe Americans in to a war with China – or at aleast take down the ChiComms. “It’s not the fault of the Chinese People! They are just darlings!” . Nope. I loathe the Chinese all on their own. Americans should focus on pushing them OUT of everything. They can do what they want in their own country. But Everything Chinese needs to GO from America. THAT’S what this is about.

    Finally – the virus isn’t as deadly for most people as ZOG is promoting . ThorDaddy makes a lot of interesting points, the chief one being that ZOG and their sad little puppets like Brad must prove that the lockdown has saved one life. The vents are what’s killing people. Honest doctors are finding ways to treat affected people. There are loads of greedy, dishonest medical personnel who are just taking the money ZOG doles out though ,and committing medical “mistakes”

    Finally – the virus is obviously easily transmissible. WHAT I SAID was at the rate of transmission – as well as the REALITY of the American population – every-one will be exposed. The horror of the destruction of people’s ability to feed themselves and their families is already FAR worse than alleged and highly specious “death rates” of the WuFlu. So open up and let ‘er rip – and let the bodies hit the floor. I’m not holding my breath.

  253. Hockamaw says:

    Post more content by this guy Andre Wanglin at Unz.com, please.

  254. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    – God forbid someone makes satire against the pure and perfect alabaster princesses. Women are unassuming and always victims, don’t you know!

    – “Dark nihilism” – ok boomer.

  255. Angharad says:
    @450.org

    Lord ! Nothing is more tedious than a black parasite whining about “Wite Peepo”!

    The armed thugs infesting the Capitol buildings were the Israeli cops.

    The Protestors are genuine AMERICAN citizens. You know- WHITE PEOPLE.

    What would have happened if the protestors were black?

    ZOG’s thugs would have handed out tea and coffee and water bottles and coffee cakes – no – wait! Those are White People things.

    ZOG’s thugs would have handed out malt liquor, fried chicken, watermelon and grape drank.

    Go away. Do something useful. Go pick some cotton.

  256. Jake says:
    @obwandiyag

    That should never be forgotten. Both Big Government and so-called charities pay spies, not just to gather information but to try to lead people in groups they hate to at least dip their toes in exploration of violence. Because that then justifies Big Government violence against not just them as individuals, nor even against just their group, but against all those who have failed to bow to Big Government and its ‘owners.’

    If, say, in 1960 Atlanta you had 4 men in a ‘white citizens council’ who seemed to advocate for violence, you could bet your life that at least 2 of them, and probably 3, were paid spies/agitators whose job was to foster some kind of violence, at least of language, that would justify arrests.

    That pattern had become normal for England no later than the regency of Edward VI (I say the last decade of the reign of Henry VIII). Sending spies among the citizens, spies whose purpose was to encourage people to talk about the possibility of rebellion because of tyranny by Crown and/or Parliament, became a permanent feature of government.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  257. Anonymous[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Hahaha. Dude, you’re sharp.

    And you’re exactly right too. There are plenty of countries that never locked down, and people would be dropping like flies if this thing was half as bad as made out to be.

    • Thanks: Digital Samizdat
  258. trickster says:
    @geokat62

    Geo, that was a great little video which I enjoyed very much.See my comment #80 for this article. His Lordship reiterated points which many people on this site repeat to the verge of severe frustration
    1. This is mass hysteria
    2. The virus deaths while sad are no more or less severe than other flus
    3. We should think for ourselves and use our common sense
    4. In the hysteria we will condemn millions to ruination, physical, financial and emotional

    Unfortunately, logic and common sense seems to have little or no effect on this madness. Thanks for the video, it is good to see that folks in the upper echelons echo what many of us believe.

    • Thanks: geokat62
  259. TRM says:
    @anon

    You act like those numbers (170,000 deaths) are actually FROM Covid-19. The are NOT.

    All deaths WITH covid-19 are counted as deaths FROM covid-19. With data like this how can anyone make intelligent decisions? GIGO.

  260. @Ron Unz

    Reasonable questions, Mr. Unz. If I may presume to respond on behalf of the “Flu Hoaxers”:

    1) “A bad flu season” doesn’t mean zero excess deaths. As John Burn-Murdoch’s attractively formatted charts show, unlocked Sweden and Stockholm have far lower excess deaths than hard-locked England, France and NYC. Whatever this disease is, hard lockdowns don’t seem to be the cure. Hard lockdowns do seem to cause excess deaths of their own though. In a moment of candor, Toronto hospitals recently admitted 35 cardiac patients died awaiting surgery while their space was reserved for COVID. If that candor were replicated across North America, the total deaths would number in the thousands, and that is just for one non-COVID illness. So all that glitters is not gold, and all that’s red in Burn-Murdoch’s graph is not COVID.

    2) There probably are remedies far milder than global economic seizure that are also far more effective: restricting and monitoring travel from hotspots, quarantining infected or especially vulnerable people, generally more sanitary public spaces, face masks. Together, these would cost perhaps 1% of the total shutdown cost while being at least as effective.

    3) There is a somewhat complicated argument (that iSteve has gingerly addressed) to be made in terms of Years of Life Lost. Unlike historical plagues that cut down great swathes of people in the flower of their youth, COVID disproportionately affects those whose most productive years, such as they were, are already behind them. Thus arguments couched in terms of “number of deaths” mask the more socially relevant subject of “years of life lost” under which COVID is a far weaker adversary. Of course, everyone considers whatever years they personally have left to be of infinite value and that it would be unconscionable to weigh their years against anything else, so this argument becomes very emotional very fast, which is why everyone but a brave few stay away from it. Too bad it’s the key argument. Still, dispassionate and Olympian weighing of costs and benefits is supposed to be what governments do. And of course, with the lockdown blindly subtracting productive years from everyone’s life irrespective of risk or benefit, they are already doing it, just doing it very badly.

    4) Optimistic forecasts for a vaccine are 18 months. As recent news articles have re-emphasized, there is no guarantee of a vaccine ever. So what is the endgame going to be? Perpetual lockdown until a maybe-vaccine? That looks like a we-had-to-destroy-civilization-in-order-to-save-it situation if there ever was one. The only other path out is the much maligned “herd immunity”. As Mr. Anglin averred, this was the original objective of “flattening the curve”: slow the virus burn through the population while keeping hospitals under capacity. That is still the only practical endgame I have heard between the hopeless extreme of we-must-not-suffer-a-virus-to-live and the extreme of eternal lockdown. So in reality, a slow and steady rate of COVID infections, recoveries and, yes, occasionally deaths, should be welcomed. Instead we’ve gone to the lunatic position that every COVID death was a preventable death no matter the age and co-morbidities of the deceased.

    5) I believe the above is the gravamen of the “Flu Hoaxer” position, but I’m going to add a word about nomenclature, specifically the word “flu”. I am open to correction by medical pros, but my understanding is that the “flu” is in fact an annually varying concoction of viruses, some of which are coronaviruses. We happen to have a test for this year’s particular coronavirus, so we’ve given it an extra name, “COVID”, but it is literally “the flu”, a stronger than average flu, but still the flu. So calling people “Flu Hoaxers” is a bit of a slander as it really is the flu. That’s not a hoax. The only question is if it is a strong enough flu to justify the reaction. The “Flu Hoaxer” position is “no”.

  261. Autofill says:
    @RadicalCenter

    This appears to be one of the few sensible comments produced. For that reason it is likely to be mostly ignored.

  262. geokat62 says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Let’s assume it actually was the flu which has an IFR of 0.o4%…

    Where did you get an IFR of 0.04% for the flu? Most would agree it is closer ~0.1%:

    Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has said that the mortality rate for seasonal flu is 0.1 percent.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/04/coronavirus-flu-comparison/

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  263. geokat62 says:
    @trickster

    When reason and feelings go on a date reason always takes it doggy style.

    lol

  264. KenH says:
    @Brad Griffin

    “When I’m writing up my death report I’m being pressured to add COVID. Why is that? Why are we being pressured to add COVID? To maybe increase the numbers, and make it look a little bit worse than it is. We’re being pressured in-house to add COVID to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not COVID, but it’s being reported as one of the diseases processes. … COVID didn’t kill them, 25 years of tobacco use killed.”

    Does it get any clearer than that?

    Seriously, America. The only reason America is still in shutdown mode is political.”

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/28/coronavirus-hype-biggest-political-hoax-in-history/

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  265. Ragno says:

    15 days after going into lockdown, deaths from the virus peaked in New York City. Deaths have dropped from 571 (April 7) to 29 (May 1) in New York City. According to Andrew Anglin, the lockdown should have made matters worse, which would have shown up 14 days later.

    I should know better than to jump into this but what kind of fudged-up numbers are you citing, Brad?

    May 2nd, NY Post:

    There was bad news Saturday — deaths in the past 24 hours climbed to 299, an “obnoxiously” high number, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced.

    It was the second day in a row that the single-day deaths fell below 300, but Friday’s tally was 10 more than the day before, adding to a staggering statewide total of 18,909.

    That number does not include 5,200 additional New York City victims whose deaths are blamed on the virus, but whose infections were not confirmed by the state.

    “That number has remained obnoxiously and terrifyingly high,” Cuomo said of the daily death toll, speaking from the MTA’s Corona Maintenance Facility in Queens, where beginning this week, subway cars will be disinfected nightly.

    But as governors across the country plan to partially reopen their states this weekend, Cuomo said such action was premature in New York, the hardest hit state in the union.

    “We’re still getting about 900 new infections every day walking into the hospital,” he said.

    29 deaths? By whose tally? The Tooth Fairy’s?

    According to Andrew Anglin, the lockdown should have made matters worse, which would have shown up 14 days later.

    Considering the actual numbers, I think Andrew Anglin is winning this particular argument.

    For the record, I’m neither a statist nor a fan of the Democratic politicians currently usurping if not outright cancelling the Constitution. But I am getting a gallows-humor chuckle at the number of chicken-hearted “patriotic lawmakers” currently twisting themselves into pretzels talking themselves out of the pretty unavoidable certainty that COVID-19 was a deliberate act of war by the Chinese against the entire West – a war they won in one fell swoop a few weeks ago when they emerged from the morass as the unquestioned last superpower standing. I guess it’s not so easy to rattle sabers when your enemy has the same nuclear arsenal you do,…and they happen to manufacture all your steel (and your antibiotics).

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  266. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Everybody gotta be locked up to prevent the spread of the Covid-19 Ron Unz insists. Anyone who disputes this is a “hoaxer.”

    But preventing the spread of the disease is not possible. Food has to be grown, processed, shipped, sold, and delivered. Hospital lights must be kept on, delivery trucks fueled, the water supply and the sewage systems maintained. That means farmers, truckers, factory workers, engineers, store keepers, and many, many others going to work and doing their job. So the disease is gonna keep spreading, just more slowly when most people are forced into house arrest. That’s the only rationale that’s ever been claimed for lock-downs: they flatten the curve, and they do that by extending the curve, prolonging the misery, that is.

    So why is Unz abusing those who want to end the lock-downs now? Is it sheer panic? Realizing that Covid-19 has a small chance of killing him, has Unz lost his mind? Or is there something else at stake here? Or to put that more broadly, why have most Western governments adopted what appears to be a seriously self-destructive reaction to an epidemic disease, no worse than the 1957/58 Asian flu or the 1968 Hong Kong flu?

    Those are questions that need to be answered. Has treason prospered? Are we ruled by idiots or traitors?

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
  267. @G J T

    I apologize.

    I was relying on ZOG mathematics.

    Clearly, Anglin is right that a 0.04% IFR and a 21% prevalence rate in New York City can produce 18,000 dead bodies in a month!

  268. @geokat62

    There are two numbers here.

    CFR = confirmed cases to deaths

    IFR = total infections to deaths

    The CFR of flu is 0.1%. The IFR of flu is 0.04%. As with COVID-19, flu infections are far higher than confirmed cases. There are asymptomatic flu carriers.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @geokat62
  269. The IFR of flu is 0.04%

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-04-24/is-coronavirus-worse-than-the-flu-blood-studies-say-yes-by-far

    “In a Twitter thread from February that a reader pointed out to me this week, University of Oxford infectious disease epidemiologist Christophe Fraser estimated that the actual infection fatality rate (which I will refer to from now on as IFR) of seasonal influenza is 0.04%.”

  270. @Brad Griffin

    That link is clickbait of the most treacherous kind. People will access your site in the hopes that you will reveal that you ARE Andrew’s mother after all and that you gave him for adoption when he was a baby, only to be met with a boring lesson in Epidemiology.

  271. @schnellandine

    Cowtown Rebel said:

    My mask is a pair of aquatic goggles and a snorkel with a roll of toilet paper marked “Corona Filter” attached to the end.

    I keep suggesting that folks use feminine hygiene products as masks.

    It’s subversive on several levels isn’t it?

    • LOL: schnellandine
  272. 313Chris says:
    @Exile

    No, drama and shit-stirring is what Griffin does. Was Griffin directly involved in the debate between Anglin and Johnson? No. Griffin obnoxiously injected himself into the debate because his already-dying blog is finally flatlining over his naked shilling for ZOG lockdowns and his sociopathic contempt for real working Americans who are losing everything to this engineered catastrophe.

    No one enjoys internet drama more than Griffin does. That is, until he inevitably gets his fat, doughy ass kicked all over the place and retreats in a prescription med crash and ‘goes dark’ for a some-odd stretch of months only to re-emerge in an artificial state of psychological stability and start the process over, like what is happening right here on this thread.

  273. cranc says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Why not ask the CDC Brad ?
    My point was that if the state authorities at the centre of this crisis are making comparisons with ‘a severe flu season’ then how is it legitimate to respond to readers here with derisory labels like ‘flu hoaxer’ when those readers question the proportionality of the shutdown ?
    There are lots of issues with every aspect of this story in my opinion (the reliability of the tests, massaging of data, the OF and FROM controversy, the relatively absent references to the many seroprevalence studies from around the world, the downplaying of so-called ‘collateral damage’ deaths as a consequence of the response, the humungous conflicts of interest between key figures in the response and profit motives or their ulterior motives – i.e. Bill Gates etc etc ).
    Again:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EW6-pfaXgAAKHEm?format=jpg&name=medium

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  274. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    But unless all these international statistics are simply fictional, I really don’t understand the reasoning of all these diehard Flu Hoaxers…

    What international statistics are you talking about, Ron?

    You don’t cite any, because there are none. There are no international statistics that reveal the mortality rate for Covid-19. All we have are infection rates known to medical authorities and death rates according to death certificates.

    But we know that most infections with Covid-19 result in no illness that the infected person is aware of, so the number of infections must vastly outnumber infections known to medical authorities.

    Further, we know from peer reviewed research reports that many, and even a majority, of death certificates are incorrect in the designation of a cause of death. Most physicians, after all, are not much interested in corpses, especially during an epidemic when, of the living, many are in urgent need of a doctor’s attention.

    But we do know that where serological surveys have been conducted, the number shown to have been infected is vastly greater than the reported incidence of sickness due to Covid-19. In New York City, for example, the prevalence of Covid-19 antibodies is currently in excess of 20% and in the Bronx it is 27%. That means there are more people who have been infected by Covid19 in the Bronx than have been reported by medical authorities to have been infected in the entire state of New York.

    So no, Covid-19 is not the new Black Death, so why are you trying to terrorize people about?

    Oh, yes, you publish an opposing view: an opposing view by a Nazi. LOL, that’ll smear the “hoaxers” good.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @CanSpeccy
  275. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    But we know that most infections with Covid-19 result in no illness that the infected person is aware of, so the number of infections must vastly outnumber infections known to medical authorities.

    This is really interesting, and should receive much more emphasis and attention than it is.

    Unless I’m completely missing something, this entirely changes the whole picture and means people are making bold and grand claims based on nothing more than their private psychological preferences.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  276. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    So no, Covid-19 is not the new Black Death, so why are you trying to terrorize people about?

    And whatever the death-toll due to Covid-19, in what way are lock-downs supposed to benefit the public? To keep people safe until such time as there is an effective vaccine?

    That’s the only justification that seems to make sense. Sort of. But look at the cost. It robs people who are unlikely to suffer seriously from infection by Covid-19 of months of schooling, earning money or otherwise pursuing a productive life, for what? To extend the life mainly of those who are already dying and have in most cases only months to live.

    Is that a justified trade-off? Does it make any sense even, when for a fraction of the economic cost of a lock-down, care-homes and nursing homes for the elderly where almost half of all Covid-19 deaths in America, Canada, Italy, etc. have occurred, could have been prevented by elementary measures such as quarantining the facilities, regularly screening staff for infection, etc.

  277. @Just another serf

    It’s real easy for Anglin to dismiss the devastating impacts of Covid-19.

    What devastating might look like.
    West Virginia: 40 ÷ 1,792,147 = 00.002%

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  278. @Brad Griffin

    Not CDC estimates. Confirmed deaths.

    Wait…what. The CDC is lying about flu deaths? Are you a paranoid conspiratoralist that claims that the CDC is hoaxing the the numbers of flu deaths? And at the same time official Covid numbers are legit?

  279. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Deaths hit 45 at Virginia care home called ‘virus’s dream’

    And see this:

    Deaths hit 45 at Virginia care home called ‘virus’s dream’

    So like probably most (all?) other jurisdictions in North America and Europe, a large proporiton of Virginian deaths (about half) are due to poor care provided to those who are mostly within months of death from one cause or another.

  280. @Ron Unz

    perhaps they can respond to a simple question I raised a week or two ago, after the NYC infection rates turned out to be 21%

    I do not live in NYC. It is not my problem. NYC is a an hideously overpopulated
    ****hole teeming with the world’s wretched refuse, of course it will have a hard time from communicable diseases brought in from foreign countries. They are free to deal with their own problems as they see fit.

    I resent the fact that that all the places that do not have the unique problems of NYC are expected enact the same quarantine policies.

  281. @Ragno

    Is this my old friend Il Ragno?

    1.) Andrew Cuomo is the governor of New York. The state reported 280 deaths yesterday.

    2.) New York City was reporting 29 deaths on May 1 when I checked it last night. A commentator brought it to my attention which I found quite stunning. It looks like the number has since been revised to 61. Bookmark the link because it probably fluctuates.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

    3.) The actual numbers do not show that Anglin is winning the argument.

    Here is why: the flu has an IFR of 0.04% and lots of people are immune to the flu and aren’t attacked by it because they either have antibodies or have been vaccinated. New York City is reporting a 21% seroprevalence level. Now, let’s run the numbers.

    8,399,000 (population of NYC) x 21% (prevalence) x 0.04% (IFR of flu) = 705 predicted deaths from “just the flu” assuming no one has immunity, which isn’t even true.

    Now, grab your calculator because lets assume it isn’t the flu and Ron and Macrobius are right.

    8,399,000 (population of NYC) x 21% (prevalence) x 1% (IFR of COVID-19) = 17,637 predicted deaths.

    New York City has reported 18,706 deaths. In other words, the virus killed about a third of the people would have expected it to. Repeat the experiment about two more times and you will reach herd immunity in New York City. Even then though, people will still die, but the epidemic will fade.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Publius 2
  282. 313Chris says:
    @Niall of the Long Knives

    If you wanted a closed border, then you should have whined to Boris Johnson for one, you shit Brit faggot. Your country’s borders aren’t my president’s responsibility.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  283. @cranc

    Feel free to read my response:

    Dr. Andrew “Mountain Dew” Anglin Responds At Unz.com

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/05/02/dr-andrew-mountain-dew-anglin-responds-at-unz-com/

    I respond to the flu truthers with science, medicine, math and history to refute their claims. Confirmed flu deaths normally range from 3,488 to 15,620 in the worst flu season on record. The CDC estimates are an extrapolation from pneumonia deaths.

    We are now sitting at 69,000 deaths. Have 50,000 people ever died of the flu in April? That’s a historical question which is right up my alley. The answer is no. The deadliest month in American history though was October 1918 when 195,000 Americans died of the Spanish Flu. In 1918, the Spanish Flu began with a milder spring wave, but COVID-19 has already exceeded it.

    https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-deaths-october-1918

    • Replies: @450.org
  284. @VonBraun

    I fashioned a cloth face mask from BVD briefs and my wife’s old brassiere

    Tampon Mask For Coranavirus

  285. @Ron Unz

    But obviously, it’s entirely a matter of personal opinion whether such a factor of 30x-40x is considered “large”…

    I suppose then it’s also a matter of personal opinion whether or not it’s morally justifiable to sell our children and grandchildren into a lifetime of debt slavery just to extend the nursing home stays of the elderly?

    Diseases happen. Everyone dies. That is the natural order. Deciding to deliberately put the nation (and world) into the most severe depression in history however is entirely unnatural and insane.

    If you believe everything the media and government are telling you, and apparently you do, why not put the vulnerable population into full quarantine and let the rest work their livelihood to pay for it? If you have been stampeded into neurotic terror at the Coronacaust, I still don’t see how that justifies destroying the livelihood of the middle class and printing up trillions in new debts expecting toddlers to pay it.

    Why is it that the greatest cheerleaders for this madness are older, affluent, and in no existential fear of unemployment, impoverishment, and homelessness?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  286. geokat62 says:
    @Brad Griffin

    In other words, the virus killed about a third of the people would have expected it to.

    Care to elaborate?

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  287. @Brad Griffin

    You’re as bad the parasites in the occupied ME banning commenters on your site like myself showing evidence of fudging the numbers, doctors with PHDs proving this covid to be another strain of the flu or even viruses themselves are cleaning agents and its the bodies way of detoxing itself. Nurses coming foward letting the poor in NY with the flu to just rot and die to get the covid numbers up. I can go on and on proving ‘it’s the just flu bro’ like so many in the medical fields already had. The Spanish flu deaths were a result of vaccines Mr. Big historian. But still you take the .govs side, the same .gov that lies to us constantly. Take your .gov vaccine Hillbilly Brad, you deserve it thinking yourself so high and mighty. Yes I hear banjo music when your name comes up.

    Parasites also write hit pieces like yours against Anglin, the most censored man on earth. What good did that do? Is it to show your hillbilly readers how smart you are? Then you have the nerve to call anybody who disputes this covid claim ‘conspiracy nuts’ or libertarian. You made yourself who is a supposed White Identarian look like a complete fool even with the evidence and you deleting comments proving it. You must be happy that one of the biggest conspiracy theorists David Icke was deplatformed on Facebook and you tube today. Does that make you happy Mr. historian/science man and .gov believer hillbilly Brad?

    • Replies: @313Chris
  288. 450.org says:

    I keep suggesting that folks use feminine hygiene products as masks.

    Or, like many of Trump’s supporters, you can wear Trump’s ass instead. Trump’s ass is large enough to accommodate sitting on ALL of his supporters’ faces to keep them safe from the virus even though the virus is a hoax.

  289. thordaddy says:

    Q. If Fauci, Gates, Cuomo, Newsom and “Hunter” die of “Covid-19,” will the media claim FIVE new AMERICAN “Covid -19” deaths?

    So if the “American” death count from “Covid-19” is LITTERED with nonAmericans then “we” know for a fact that the death count is FALSE.

    Ergo, “we” know the “American” death count from “novel deadly virus” is WRONG.

    Start here and quit playing the numbers game.

  290. 450.org says:

    Also, since the “protesters” are so eager to work, I suggest they man the meat packing plants. Come on, studs, step up to the plate. That’s a real man’s work right there. Don’t be afraid of a little blood and guts. You can be an essential worker. Or not. You could, and will, just leave it to the immigrants I’m sure because you’re too busy arguing on the internet from your double wide that the virus is a hoax

  291. thordaddy says:

    Actually, being an unofficial profiler and peeping the physiognomy of all three individuals – Anglin, Unz and Griffin – it’s clear that their individual physiognomies explain their respective positions on “deadly virus.”

    Anglin has a shit-stirrer physiognomy that can be seen a mile a way. He also has a love/hate relationship with his mother IMHO. So, of course, he’s “made” to always reject the official “mommy” line.

    Unz has the anti-racist (anti-father) civ nat look that has him erroneously lump all individuals into the “American” category thereby inflating the number of actual Americans dead of “deadly novel virus.”

    And “Hunter,” well, he got turnt. That’s what his physiognomy says.

    • Replies: @Brad Griffin
  292. @Jake

    Yes, very astute. And hard to get your head around. We are so inured to just taking people at their word–oh this insane poster means what he says, oh, this conservative means what he says, oh, this liberal means what he says, oh these radicals are sincere. It’s natural. I mean, how can you function in the world without trusting people a little bit. You have to trust the pharmacist to get your prescription right. You have to trust the food companies that what’s in the can is more of less what is says is in the can (with an allowable percentage of rat shit, of course). You have to trust your neighbors are not burglars. It’s hard to go, “Everything, everything, is co-0pted and disingenuous.” And then when they do the triple-cross–yow, it gets so bad my I can’t even follow the interlarded chinese dolls of back and forth insincerity. Like, you know, for instance, limited hangouts.

    I always thought, just to cite an example, that there was something strange about SDS. How is bombing a lab in Wisconsin going to induce people to rise up and hang the billionaires?

  293. @geokat62

    Sure.

    Assume the following:

    1% IFR

    21% prevalence

    70% herd immunity threshold

    8,399,000 (population of NYC) x 21% (prevalence) x 1% (IFR) = 17,637 predicted deaths

    NYC is about a third of the way to herd immunity

    • Thanks: geokat62
    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  294. thordaddy says:

    What “we” know about “deadly novel virus.”

    First, NO ONE has been “saved” by the “lockdown.” In fact, anecdotally, the “lockdown” has killed individuals both American and nonAmerican.

    Secondly, the AMERICAN death count for “Covid-19” is NECESSARILY FALSE because the count lumps in nonAmericans (lots of them).

    Lastly, “Covid-19” is a medical neologism USED TO HIDE more particular “causes of death.”

    If one isn’t starting with these premises, he just isn’t going to come to anything viable conclusions. Add it altogether and you cannot but consider major SCANDAL and potential criminal conspiracy.

  295. @thordaddy

    Yeah, Andrew Anglin tends to explain the world in terms of conspiracy theories.

    Even before this happened, I would have first tried to explain the world with science, medicine, math and history. I’m satisfied I have done so.

    • LOL: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @eah
    , @thordaddy
  296. utu says:
    @Angharad

    “…very-one is going to be exposed…” – Stop here. Try to make an argument w/o this false premise.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  297. thordaddy says:

    Imagine the weatherman claiming that the biggest tornado ever was bearing down on your town. The mayor predicts 100k dead if the two does nothing. Immediately and unilaterally, the mayor orders all residents to the sewer system for 3 days with only a bag of food and clothes allowable. Three days later, the town emerges from the sewer system and the mayor declares 100k “lives saved.”

    Is there ACTUALLY ANY PROOF that the mayor’s decision to lock his town in the sewer “saved lives?”

    • Replies: @trickster
  298. Ron Unz says:

    Well, here’s a rather funny—and pretty accurate—video explaining the contrasting positions of China and the totally corrupt and incompetent West:

    • Replies: @450.org
    , @eah
    , @thordaddy
  299. 450.org says:
    @Ron Unz

    HaHa!! I saw this a few days earlier and laughed my ass off. W.H.O. said the Chinese don’t have a sense of humor? Step aside, Larry David.

  300. 450.org says:
    @Brad Griffin

    The deadliest month in American history though was October 1918 when 195,000 Americans died of the Spanish Flu.

    I’m convinced Trump and the cabal that’s using him as their foil are hellbent on breaking this record easily and maybe shooting for a couple of million for good measure. All the while blaming China.

    • Troll: eah
  301. eah says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Hey dude, now that you’ve ‘explained the world’, maybe you can also explain why you included an unflattering foto of Anglin in your response on occidentaldissent.com? — since you deleted/didn’t publish my comment there asking about it, I’ll ask here — what does the foto of Anglin have to do with his views on brutal government authoritarianism and/or “science, medicine, math and history”?

    After you do that, maybe you can then explain what “science, medicine, math and history” have to do with Anglin’s view of the government tyranny behind the shutdown? — you never seem to address this issue, which is more than a little bizarre since Anglin’s concern about that is reflected in the very title of this piece: Brad Griffin Is Not My Mommy and He Doesn’t Get to Decide Whether or Not I Can Play Outside.

  302. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s right: the entire “West” is “totally corrupt and incompetent”.

    How infantile.

  303. thordaddy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz…

    The only real question is whether “lockdown” “saved lives?”

    And the answer is not only an emphatic “no” because “no proof,” but also because the “lockdown” HAS NECESSARILY caused death.

    Massive unemployment and shuttered small business MEANS “human death toll.”

    We can worry about false scapegoating after you’ve conceded the above.

  304. thordaddy says:
    @Brad Griffin

    But you’re a Christian, “Hunter” and therefore you should be explaining the world in terms of “Good versus Evil.”

    You’ve been turnt by Tort.

    Is this “deadly virus” ravaging Southerners? Is this what you are hearing and seeing on the ground?

    Are you concerned about a global death toll, American death toll or just the death toll of your people in the South?

    Neither you nor Ron has even conceded to the most basic interpretation of the “American” death count.

    It is FALSE because it certainly includes nonAmericans therefore the ACTUAL American death count is necessarily LOWER than projected.

  305. eah says:

    Patrick J. McShay, You Might Live In A Police State If…

    Watch the video at the following link –> You are being conditioned to think people standing up for their freedoms are selfish, extreme, hateful, irrational and lawless! — “It started out as a social distancing enforcement.”– NYC Police Commissioner

    Cop at center of viral social distancing bust has cost NYC $200K

    The NYPD cop suspended following the violent arrest of a bystander in the East Village has been sued seven times over the last six years — costing the city more than $200,000 payouts, court records show.

    This is the kind of armed, affirmative action goon who has been given even more power via the brutal, dumb government authoritarianism resulting from this coronavirus hysteria.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  306. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Stan d Mute

    Why is it that the greatest cheerleaders for this madness are older, affluent, and in no existential fear of unemployment, impoverishment, and homelessness?

    Is that question based on a sound assumption? Many speak about the need to protect the old. But chiefly, I think, that is not so much a demand on the part of the old, but an expression of the filial respect the young owe to the old.

    Rather, I would think that many of the old, indeed most, whether comfortably off or not, feel concern for the young, especially the children.

    Moreover, I would say that among the few remaining pleasures of those waiting soon to die, is to witness the enthusiasm of the young, the unquestioning assumption that things matter, that life is to be got on with. Thus, I suspect that to most old people, lock-downs, the incarceration of the young, the closure of schools, the loss of jobs, make for a truly sad spectacle.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  307. 313Chris says:
    @Mind Games

    Fat schizophrenic slob Griffin blocks anyone he knows will destroy him in a head to head discussion. He literally IP banned me from his blog, he blocked me Twitter, and he has me on Ignore on here. Griffin is the definition of a coward.

    • Replies: @Exile
  308. Hang on a minute there AA. Haven’t you written articles on DS that everyone is going to catch Covid-19 and die of it? Is my memory so bad of what I may have read a couple of months ago? Oh wait, my memory is fine.

    https://dailystormer.su/first-us-coronavirus-death-youre-all-next/

    Your words:

    Everyone is going to die from this virus!

    https://dailystormer.su/former-iranian-ambassador-is-the-first-high-profile-coronavirus-death/

    And in countless other articles. Now it’s just the flu and everyone is going to die because they crashed the economy with the lockdown.

    • Replies: @Adelaar
  309. 450.org says:

    As the fools and clowns referred to as the Flu Hoaxers and Flu Truthers continue to shill, the Trump admin itself is now saying by June the death toll from this pandemic will reach 3,000 deaths per day and even that’s an underestimate. Someone above referred to me as a troll for stating accurately that Donald Trump and the cabal using him as their foil are shooting for a record. Maybe more than 6 million is the goal. That would be an eye for an eye, wouldn’t it? In their estimation, considering he’s self-admittedly to no objection, the King of the Jews

    https://newrepublic.com/article/157596/donald-trump-coronavirus-death-march

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say the Flu Hoaxers and Flu Truthers posting here are in league with those who produced and directed the crappy & psychotic Amazon series Hunters. It’s the same sadistic perversity. Comeuppance porn. Just as the death toll from this virus is for them considering Donald Trump is their man in the Oval Office.

    After a beautiful weekend in the nation’s capital, where hundreds flocked to the National Mall to watch big planes go zoom, it is hard not to wonder if too many people in power have concluded that it’s about time we wrapped up this whole lockdown thing. Some states are reopening their businesses even as death rates continue to climb, affording people one last chance to go out and get some sun or a haircut before they die; one state, Ohio, is even taking steps to prevent workers at reopened businesses from claiming unemployment.

    This is all happening at the same time as new governmental figures tell us there is far more horror to come. A new estimate by the Trump administration predicts that daily deaths will reach 3,000 by June (which could be low, since the United States saw 2,909 deaths on Friday, according to the World Health Organization) and 200,000 new cases each day. As David Wallace-Wells pointed out on Twitter, until now the actual numbers have “ranged north of the 97th percentile” in the Center for Disease Control and Prevention’s projections, which would mean an actual number of 15,000 dead per day.

    So why would the head of this administration, in full possession of these facts, be barreling ahead with this reopening of the country? Trump may simply be incapable of processing this information, or refuses to believe what his own experts tell him. This would be consistent with his behavior for the entirety of his presidency. But it may also be that the Americans who are dying are not, by and large, the ones he cares about. This, too, would be in keeping with Trump’s reign.

    Anyone who has been paying attention might wonder why the estimates keep shifting so much. At first, we were told to expect 100,000 to 200,000 deaths; then the models were revised, and the predicted death toll plummeted to just 60,000 by August. Now, with the U.S. passing 69,000 deaths in early May, the deaths predicted by the models clearly must rise again. There are many reasons why the models appear to have been too optimistic, some of which seem to be inherent in this kind of modeling. And yet, as the models turn grimmer, the administration has not shifted its response. Even if it made sense to think about loosening the lockdown when we could kid ourselves that things were improving, continuing to pursue the idea of “reopening America” while the numbers get worse is pure negligent madness.

    • Troll: Manfred Arcane
  310. Gsjackson says:
    @St-Germain

    Bravo SG. I’ll admit to hoping some pecksniff tries to lecture me. I’ll be right in his/her face with words and whatever else is necessary.

  311. Adelaar says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Hang on a minute there AA. Haven’t you written articles on DS that everyone is going to catch Covid-19 and die of it?

    If you are THAT bad at detecting sarcasm you might wanna stay away from the DS, or from the internet for that matter.

    https://dailystormer.su/ , home of the sarcasm.

  312. You are a bunch of sissies. Listen to Madeleine Albright:

    Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

    Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

    —60 Minutes (5/12/96)

    And you are whimpering about a few thousand flu deaths. What are you going to do when your country asks eighty or a hundred million of you to die in a nuclear war over Crimea?

    • Replies: @trickster
  313. KenH says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Your official position is based entirely on scare stories and cooked scare statistics. The NYT could write a fake article that 10,000 people died today of COVID-19 and you would swallow it whole.

    Did you ever consider that you’re relying on data from states with hard left governors and legislatures, like New York and Illinois, who have a vested interest in making COVID-19 seem as grisly and deadly as possible in the hopes of eliciting sympathy and federal bailout money?

    Cuomo’s already said he’s expecting bailout money as a result of the COVID-19 crisis and Illinois governor (((JB Pritzker))) said he expects 3 billion dollars from the Trump admin but the Democrats in the Illinois legislature upped the ante to 41 billion.

    • Thanks: Manfred Arcane
  314. @Robert Dolan

    After you posted that link re supposed 30,000 drop in C-19 deaths, I looked. From my testing then, and Twitter comments now, it appears that the site was simultaneously reporting 2 divergent totals, depending on which web platform was used (e.g. desktop/mobile, maybe even IP address). Possibly a psych test, but it seems they didn’t announce a reduction. “Tech glitch” will be the verdict, I think, and maybe it was.

  315. @CanSpeccy

    Rather, I would think that many of the old, indeed most, whether comfortably off or not, feel concern for the young, especially the children.

    What a sheltered life you must lead, knowing no Boomers.

    • LOL: Maple Curtain
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  316. the raven says:
    @Ron Unz

    Those spikes are the “z-scores”, aren’t they? Those are another fraud — all they show is that corona deaths are coming slightly later in the year than flu deaths normally. If you look at total deaths from all causes, there is no spike this year, whatsoever. It really is just a normal flu season. Read this blog post for more explanation: https://wmbriggs.com/post/30651/

    • Thanks: eah
  317. trickster says:
    @ploni almoni

    That was a very insightful comment. In the Nam we lost 57,000 dead while they lost millions dead, more millions wounded, millions maimed, millions mentally ruined and the entire country devastated.
    And they were prepared to fight us to their last citizen. Ho Chi Minh’s death meant nothing. As one NVA officer said to me after the war “Ho died but how do you kill an idea”?

    At 57K the politicians lost their balls, got shaky knees and the majority lost control of their sphincters.

    Indeed to your point, what would happen if we were on the other side of those numbers ? Our competitors, looking sternly at our few thousand dead, and our hysteria, must ponder your same reflection. A few thousand deaths has the US shaking in their boots, pissing and shitting in their pants.

    To your point, what do they do if it is 80-100M ? And if the whole country was reduced to rubble ? I think that was a great observation on your part !

  318. trickster says:
    @thordaddy

    Right on. This was the same shit in that article about some government “female” who saved millions of lives. So similar to what you said: They declared millions would die, only a few thousand did, therefore she “saved” millions. Sometimes the bull shit gets so deep one needs the space shuttle to stay out of it !

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  319. @Brad Griffin

    It appears that you are assuming the death toll will increase linearly. Likely not. More likely that deaths will level out as the most susceptible succomb. Not to mention that for now, we are leaving the flu season. Regardless, the Main Argument inspiring the thread, Mr. Griffin, is not “this is just the flu bro,” it is the hypothesis of Mr. Anglin outlined at the beginning of this thread:

    The gulf between skeptics and true believers is underlined by personal disposition; those who are inclined to prioritize personal responsibility, freedom and suspicion of authority are pushing back against the lockdown, while those who are prone to neuroticism, risk aversion, safety prioritization and trust in authority are embracing the hysteria. For most people, the data becomes simply a post-hoc rationalization for a position that was already determined by their psychological profile. Given the masculine/feminine dichotomy, it has also become a partisan political issue, which has poisoned any public debate over the merits of the various claims.

    Do you reject his hypothesis, and can you provide evidence to support rejection?

    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
  320. Exile says:
    @313Chris

    Nice to know this is a principled disagreement over facts rather than a personal beef.

    Why bother actually “destroying” someone in a head-to-head debate when it’s easier to LARP about how you’d do it if someone could put up with 100 rage-sperg posts before you make a factual point?

    Stormer catbois really upped their game to crash this thread. Hopefully it gets DS much more exposure. If rapey White Sharia and Siege-posting about holographic Italian corpses doesn’t help Zion Don Make Israel Greater Again, we’re all a bunch of commies, amirite?

  321. thordaddy says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Tort would tell you and you can glean from the clinical discussion in the link that you’ve provided that these “deep state doctors” consider all things save one cause: child abuse. In other words, the manner in which to explain the young adult-adult is to understand the abuse he suffered as a child at the hands of his parents/family. It’s a taboo topic in the field just as is “medical murder” and “male genital cision.” So for example, autism, which is, psychologically, a child displaying no awareness of his parents as parents. But, because “child abuse” is ruled out consensually and institutionally (namely, rejecting the significance of prior occurrences of abortions and contraceptions), the “experts” cannot see a possible behavioral adaption which has recognized both the sub-optimality of a former womb AND that womb as a former place of “termination.”

    If the question was asked…

    Why does my child not “see” me?

    The “doctor” says “autism.“

    The realist says that you’ve probably terminated a sibling or few and this is your child’s true rebellion.

    • Replies: @Ray P
  322. @Adelaar

    LOL! Who’s to say he isn’t being sarcastic now with his reversed position? When isn’t he being sarcastic? Yet here are some trying to engage in a serious discussion. When you clown around all the time, don’t be surprised if people dismiss you, well, just as a clown. So what is he? A truth seeker that rarely tells the truth himself?

  323. @Adelaar

    BTW I find AA funny and that’s why I read his stuff. But if I took him seriously then he wouldn’t be funny would he?

    • Replies: @thordaddy
    , @Adelaar
  324. Polemos says:
    @Anonymous

    How much of the site is sophisticated use of machine learning to create deeper characters for narration management testing? I mean, I know I’m a poorly coded robot, but who else is one?

  325. thordaddy says:
    @Commentator Mike

    One can be seriously funny provoking hardy laughs.

  326. Wielgus says:
    @eah

    Ultimately it is cops who enforce things like lockdowns. I would have assumed authoritarian right-wingers would cheer police measures to the echo, and indeed sometimes this is the case, yet it has been revelatory to see people who would self-identify as left-wing wishing for more crackdowns and lockdowns to go on and on, whereas at any rate some types of right-wingers have protested at the measures. I used to associate the left with anti-police attitudes, or at least a capacity to question what police and the state do, but it seems a virus comes along and everything changes.

  327. Ray P says:
    @thordaddy

    Anglin’s parents (one or the other) are child murderers?!! Isn’t his retired father some kind of serious Christian who was a therapist?

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  328. Adelaar says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Who’s to say he isn’t being sarcastic now with his reversed position? When isn’t he being sarcastic?

    See, that’s exactly what I was saying. If you’re not able to distinguish between the sarcastic and serious parts it might not be for you.

    BTW I find AA funny and that’s why I read his stuff. But if I took him seriously then he wouldn’t be funny would he?

    Wrong, if the jokes had no serious core, they were not only unfunny but completely pointless.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  329. Wielgus says:
    @trickster

    Next up – race of giant space ants about to take over the world…

  330. @Adelaar

    OK, up to a point. But he has reversed his position on so many things, condemned something then supported it (religion on DS), or the reverse (Trump, Charlotesville, etc.). Sure, there is a serious background to most of it and changes in position can be valid. Then he himself has claimed it’s just performance art and entertainment on a separate blog.

  331. theMann says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Actually, it can all be pretty funny. I can wear my V for Vendetta mask, or wear my keffiya just about anywhere, but especially government offices. It is formerly desert, becoming grassland here, so the headscarf has real value, the mask is just a political statement.

    Since the “rules” for face covering are pretty inaccurate, to say the least, I am thinking of getting an Eyes Wide Shut mask for work.

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  332. 450.org says:

    I admittedly had no idea who Andrew Anglin was. I had to do a Google search. It appears he’s been sued many times over and has been ordered to pay various victims of his harassment millions of dollars, tens of millions even. And yet here he is, still at it. How is that possible? I would think it’s only possible with serious backing from serious people in high places who have his back, otherwise his life would be ruined right about now and he would have committed suicide long ago. Instead, he’s a rock star getting top billing. If anyone garners a significant online presence and footprint replete with instant followers and a captive audience, you can be sure it was by design and condoned by the power players in some way, shape and form. It’s impossible in this day & age for it to be organic. It must be blessed.

  333. GeeBee says:
    @313Chris

    Au contraire. It appears that your president (like every other since FDR) believes that most countries’ borders are his responsiblity. And I need scarcely add that until this monstrous ZOG Globohomo empire is consigned to the dustbin of history, the world will never know peace and harmony.

  334. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Stan d Mute

    What a sheltered life you must lead, knowing no Boomers.

    Sheltered from boomers? You kidding?

    I have had no shelter from boomers buggering things up since Bill Clinton became president, followed by Dubya, Obarmy and Now Trump, not to mention that son-of-a-bitch Blair, while boomer Unz calls me a buffoon, dismisses my well wrought demolition of one of his articles, and deletes my comments when I have the timerity to compare Covid-19 with the flu (which I’ve just done again, here).

  335. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AaronB

    This [the high rate of asymptomatic Covid-19 infection] is really interesting, and should receive much more emphasis and attention than it is.

    Apparently, most governments want no information about the real incidence of Covid-19 infection to be made public. Otherwise, they would conduct and report the results of population surveys for Covid-19 antibodies. As it is, we have only one such result for a major urban area, namely, New York City, where between 20 and 27% of the the population have evidently been infected already.

    Politicians are avoiding generating such data presumably because it would push their hand on ending lock-downs. While we do not know what the infection rate for herd immunity is, because that depends on social dynamics which cannot easily be quantified, it is most likely that NY City is already at least half-way to herd immunity, implying that the resumption of free movement by people who must by now have grasped the risks of social mixing, is unlikely to cause a massive spike in the reported infection rate (i.e., the numbers of those actually made ill by Covid-19).

    • Replies: @AaronB
  336. Yusef says:
    @Inverness

    “Speaking of histrionics, your profanity-laden tirade does you no favors. If you’re trying to make your stance look reasonable, you’re failing miserably. Probably should leave the arguing to Mr. Anglin. And just about anyone else, for that matter.”

    Ordinarily I would heartily agree, but these circumstances we now face are far from the ordinary. I am not sure it is reasonable to be moderate (that seems to be what you are urging) when the situation is extreme. The person to whom Dolan was addressing his remarks has not been reasonable, that’s for sure. And now when his irrationality has been unmasked by the actual course of events– when we know looking at the facts as collected by such agencies as the CDC the actual deaths are nowhere near what such people predicted– if he can’t wake up and admit a mammoth error, he deserves to be slapped awake.

    That’s not my style. I have refrained from profanity-laden tirades here because I continue to respect most commenters and I do not wish to be the one who contributes to a lowering of the generally reasonable tone of Unz.com. Nevertheless, I cannot be too critical of someone who lets loose. Sometimes we have to hear someone say it like they mean it, and we have to hear it aloud and in public someone called to the carpet when they have so richly deserved this harsh, otherwise unjustifiable, treatment.

    Thanks for trying to keep the peace. That’s still a very noble thing to be doing.

  337. Sorry to make all of you stand with your hands above your heads but for so long, but we still haven’t finished loading all the bags of money into the waiting trucks. In the meantime you can argue among yourselves and no one will get hurt.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  338. @theMann

    I started looking for a pointy-head white head-mask cap like the Klan wore in the 1920s.

    There was a guy in California who made the news by wearing one, but it didn’t say where he got it or if it was home-made.

    I can’t find one for sale at the costume shops and would pay for a custom-made face mask I’d be proud to wear in public if the law requires me to be masked, and of course i’ll be openly carrying at the same time.

    • Replies: @David riskanalyst
  339. AbleBaker says:

    There’s no need to rely on any headlines, projections or “expert” opinion, the data is in: https://mises.org/power-market/late-march-weekly-mortality-data-has-yet-show-surge

  340. @David riskanalyst

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/05/shopper-wears-home-made-ku-klux-klan-hood-to-grocery-store/

    Shopper wears home-made Ku Klux Klan hood to grocery store

    The unidentified man was photographed Saturday evening in the produce section of a Vons store in Santee a suburb of San Diego. Mayor John Minto and the City Council released a joint statement Sunday night denouncing the “attire that depicted a symbol of hatred.” The mayor also said the county Sheriff’s Office was investigating the incident, SF Gate reports.

    “This blatant racism has no place in Santee or any part of San Diego County,” East County Supervisor Dianne Jacob said in a statement Sunday. “It is not who we are. It is not what we stand for and can’t be tolerated.”

    According to SF Gate, the incident won’t help Santee’s efforts to shed its reputation as a center of white supremacist activity, which has led to the southern California city to earn the nicknames “Klantee” and “Santucky.”

  341. 450.org says:

    Why is the orange Dildo in Chief bothering to visit a Honeywell plant in Arizona that’s making N-95 masks if this is just the flu? You don’t need N-95 masks for the flu and you don’t need N-95 masks if the worst is over and behind us and Trump’s strategy was a huge success and the country is open for business as usual again.

    And yet here we are, his supporters claiming there is nothing to see here as far as this pandemic is concerned and imploring us to move along and forcing illegal immigrants back into the meat packing plants until they all die as the “protesters” cry about not being able to get haircuts and grass seed.

    Every day I hope upon hope he contracts this virus and dies. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a criminally psychotic murderer.

    To the illegal immigrants risking their lives feeding the nation, Trump says, “GET BACK TO WORK” and “NO N-95 MASKS FOR YOU!!!” He’s the Mask Nazi ( versus Soup).

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/05/05/trump-touches-down-phoenix-tout-honeywells-response-covid-19/3082351001/

    President Donald Trump touched down in Phoenix shortly after noon Tuesday, ending his confinement at the White House amid the coronavirus pandemic and kicking off what he hopes is the reopening of state economies.

    Trump’s trip to Phoenix will highlight Honeywell International, a North Carolina-based aerospace defense contractor that is producing millions of N95 respirator masks for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to support health, safety and emergency workers.

    The company announced in late March it was expanding its manufacturing capabilities in Phoenix to produce the masks and Trump displayed the company’s efforts during a briefing in the White House Rose Garden.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  342. 450.org says:
    @David riskanalyst

    I think this is a perfect place for Trump’s first rally in a week or two. He should mingle among them with plenty of handshakes, hugs and kisses. Maybe they can tattoo the stars & stripes across his prodigious mid-section. Unless he’s a hypocritical coward incapable of putting his life where his mouth is. A coward who gets tested every day while he orders meat packing plants to remain open yet doesn’t provide free testing to those risking their lives feeding the nation. This Orange Buttocks in Chief is worse than Nero.

    • Troll: Manfred Arcane
  343. geokat62 says:
    @Brad Griffin

    The CFR of flu is 0.1%. The IFR of flu is 0.04%.

    Do you have a source for this info?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  344. thordaddy says:
    @Ray P

    I was referencing real “autistics” and not imaginary ones like Anglin.

  345. thordaddy says:
    @450.org

    Doesn’t “America” needs these masks in preparation for Plannedemic 2.0?

    You’re right that this “thing” is a mass murder, but it doesn’t appear to be Trump’s plan. To a degree, his playing along to a “deadly virus” is somesuch proportional to the mass of individuals who would absolutely lose their minds if made aware of this mass annihilation.

  346. @Neil Templeton

    Well, no, Brad can’t, but he will hit you with his handbag for pointing that out.

    • LOL: Manfred Arcane
  347. I found an old mask today in the garage, that’s been sitting there for some time (many years) in the packaging, a flat folding mask in dusty plastic. Recommended for the SARS virus!

  348. It’s a matter of proof. If you claim that the earth is flat, crowfund a space mission and photograph the rim and bottom side and show us the results. If you know a nation that was better off without lockdown, tell us about it. The Swedes thought they were, but their infection numbers are rising again. And numbers in Italy only dropped after they took measures. Yes, up to now covid has caused less casualties than previous corona types. But countermeasures have never been so drastic. So i guess they have contributed in a positive way. The measures have cost us dearly. It would be a waste if people went back to normal life too soon and the infection rate shot up again. All those economic sacrifices, for nothing.

    • Replies: @450.org
    , @schnellandine
  349. @David riskanalyst

    And caused a huge surge in people inquiring about moving there.

  350. 450.org says:
    @Gerhard57NL

    It would be a waste if people went back to normal life too soon and the infection rate shot up again. All those economic sacrifices, for nothing.

    Not only that, this fragile economic system, and it is absurdly fragile, cannot stand the tremors and shocks of multiple openings and closings. It’s likened to getting shivved multiple times in prison. The assassins corner you or catch you by surprise when the guards are conveniently distracted or otherwise not paying attention and they shiv you multiple times in succession at a rapid pace. Your chances of surviving it are slim to none. Same goes with openings and closings. We cannot have half measures or quarter measures or anything less than full measures. If we do continue to implement shoddy, for optics only, less than full measures, it guarantees multiple openings and closings and that means, it’s the end my friend of Western economies and certainly the global economy.

  351. trickster says:

    Fuck I wish those ants would, then we could get off this Coroner boner. This virus has been beaten to death and then beaten some more. Every time I think there is nothing more that can be said or written, another more stupid article appears. We are really plumbing the depths of ignorance, soon we might be in negative IQ territory if we are not there already.

  352. RodW says:
    @Sunshine

    He says, now, when it seems to suit his neurosis, that all women are sluts. Are you a slut? Are men any less ‘sluts’ than women? By what criteria?

    My mother, sister and wife are not sluts. They have recognisable integrity. To hell with Anglin for suggesting otherwise. Anyone who isn’t currently getting laid who uses his disappointment as a basis to condemn all women as sluts isn’t being ‘honest’.

    I’ve enjoyed reading his stuff going back quite a few years, but this anti-woman jihad is just nuts.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
    , @Sunshine
  353. @David riskanalyst

    It’s very difficult to find a capirote-style tall cone-shaped hood with eye-holes. And getting it from the seamstress who makes most of the Klan costumes for KKK groups would be insulting to them. Anglin picked this up today, below.

    There are theatrical costume producers who make costumes for theater and film, but so far none of them have deigned reply to my inquiries seeking a custom-made hood for protesting the mask laws with a KKK hood. Maybe I should just pretend it’s for next year’s Easter Week in Spain.

    https://dailystormer.su/police-hunting-man-who-wore-a-klan-hood-in-a-supermarket-because-i-guess-thats-illegal-now-somehow/

    You don’t understand: this ride is just getting started.

    Under the fog of the lockdown, police are now claiming that it is illegal in America to wear a Ku Klux Klan hood in a grocery store because it is an act of racial hatred. We have no such laws in America. That is to say, we didn’t have any such laws before the lockdown. Now anything or nothing is the law.

    These people are just going to do whatever the hell they want to you.

    In this new world, news stories like this will be used to acclimate the public with new rules. Instead of passing a new law, they will just print a news story to inform you that some activity is now illegal.

    Police really are “badge niggers.”

  354. AaronB says:
    @CanSpeccy

    It is definitely weird that they are not doing those surveys to get an accurate death rate.

    Its also really weird that people like Ron Unz are discussing the death rate when we can’t know what it is. They must realize we can’t know what it is. Yet they talk about it with assurance.

    I can see a point in saying, look, higher than normal amounts of people are dying (if that’s true), so even though we don’t know what the mortality rate is, this thing is serious – maybe it’s mortality rate is low, but its super contagious.

    But a major plank of their argument is the mortality, which they talk about with assurance, as if we can know.

    Now, I’m not a “covid truther”, but there is something very strange about this whole thing. So many weird anomalies.

    And certainly I think the “culture of safety” has in the past few decades grown insanely and obsessively neurotic globally, so I’m prone to distrust our assessment of, and response to, danger in general.

    I’m in NYC right now, btw. Lots of people in the streets, just wearing masks.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  355. @Gerhard57NL

    So i guess they have contributed in a positive way. The measures have cost us dearly. It would be a waste if people went back to normal life too soon and the infection rate shot up again. All those economic sacrifices, for nothing.

    Speak for yourself, and stay in your hole, propagandist. Mind your rightful place in this world.

  356. @RodW

    Anyone who isn’t currently getting laid who uses his disappointment as a basis to

    You’re just telling on yourself with that tripe. As if it’s difficult to get laid.

    Anglin makes an almost incontrovertible case for his position, but it does require an irony sensor not rusted by dull wits, self loathing, and unreserved female worship.

    • Agree: Sunshine
    • Replies: @RodW
  357. Sunshine says:
    @Saggy

    Most aren’t better than dogs. They certainly aren’t any more loyal. Remember, I am a woman. I’ve listened to their idiotic BS my whole life, feeling like an alien because I don’t share or understand where they’re coming from.

    The Mengele thing is worthy of mockery, because it’s about as real as the Holocaust itself. Sure, he trained dogs to rape Jewish women, like they made lampshades out of their skin and all of the other obviously made up “Nazi atrocities”. My favorite was the masturbation machine! So plausible!

  358. Sunshine says:
    @RodW

    I don’t think he thinks all of the women that have ever lived, are sluts. I’d ask you if you’re absolutely certain about your wife, mother and sister, though. You think they’d tell you about their exploits? They save that for the girls night out with their equally trashy friends. Or, the majority of women do, I am not trying to impugn your female relatives, I don’t know them.

    I am not nor was I ever a slut, at least by modern standards. It always nauseated me and I couldn’t be as cavalier about sex as so many women (and men) are. Not that it matters, really. If I was, I couldn’t call that behavior out?

    Men are biologically designed to be “sluts”. It’s gross and I have my opinions on their less than savory behavior, but that can be saved for another comment, perhaps on an article on that specific issue. To bring it up here is just “whataboutism” and not really relevant.

    From my observations, most men don’t actually like women (but they’ve got nothing on women when it comes to hating women!) and when they attempt to white knight for us, when all they’re trying to do is get laid, that’s probably the most vile thing they can do. At least be honest, the pseudo “I respect waaaahmen” nonsense is not believable. Nobody respects women, because by and large, their behavior isn’t worthy of respect. If they behaved in a dignified manner, this may change. Don’t take it personally, getting all in your feelings over this, instead of looking at the facts, is a very feminine attitude.

    • Replies: @RodW
    , @Commentator Mike
  359. RodW says:
    @Sunshine

    For me, overtly ‘racist’ writers are only interesting as far as they’re sincere and their writing is grounded in fact, however ironic they may be. For a while, that seemed to apply to Anglin, and he served a useful function in bringing interesting facts to light.

    But these new polemics about women don’t fit the facts as I know them and they just seem like a hysterical reaction to not getting his willy wet anymore. That’s a common enough thing among men, but those who indulge their hysteria freely are a pathetic embarrassment.

    In Anglin’s case, it only feeds the suspicion that his writing is just opportunistic therapy for his neuroses, and that there’s no real reflection behind any of it. He’s no longer worth my time.

    Btw, I hate white knighting too.

    • Replies: @Sunshine
  360. Angharad says:
    @utu

    Not a false premise. The rate of transmission of this virus is spectacular. The virus got out of the labe last Autumn. Various governments knew about this, but regular folks weren’t informed until January. Global travel and shipping was unrestricted until what? Late January or February, depending on the country?

    Nah. It’s out and about and everyone will be exposed. So deal with it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  361. @ploni almoni

    Sorry to make all of you stand with your hands above your heads but for so long, but we still haven’t finished loading all the bags of money into the waiting trucks. In the meantime you can argue among yourselves and no one will get hurt.

    In a just world, that comment would be wrapped by an actual gold rectangle, not merely the halo of rectitudinal genius I see when reading it. If you aren’t making money as a cartoonist, look into it.

  362. RodW says:
    @schnellandine

    As if it’s difficult to get laid.

    It’s easier if you have a loving wife and you’re not on the hook for a $14 million fine. Neither of which applies to Anglin.

    but it does require an irony sensor not rusted by dull wits, self loathing, and unreserved female worship.

    None of which applies to me.

    Incidentally ‘irony’ is frequently cover for stupidity and cowardice. My irony sensor is well enough tuned to detect when that’s the case too.

    See if you can post something a bit more on the mark next time.

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  363. @Sunshine

    Are men any better than women, or even far worse? Are men more loyal to women than their cats, or less likely to walk away? Are men more promiscuous than women in general? Most brothels are designed for men and is it so that they practice their loyalty and bring their money back to their families? As are most gambling houses and betting shops? How many men have gambled away their family fortune compared to women? Do you think that when men get together they talk in more respectful terms about their women? What do they get up on their stag nights? Sure there are these sluts about, but generalising from a few cases to the entire gender is out of order. Just like a few bad men don’t represent all of manhood. And sure anyone can turn bad, even after a lifetime of being good, or trying to be good. For some it works out and they can live happy family lives together into old age. But blaming either women or men for the way things are and for relationships breaking down doesn’t reflect reality – both are at fault, but especially the society they create and prop up with their taxes and their votes.But worst of all are men who try to turn decent girls and women into whores and sluts.

    • Replies: @Sunshine
  364. @RodW

    Incidentally ‘irony’ is frequently cover for stupidity and cowardice.

    Yes. It’s a crutch for poor writers. Perfect excuse to evade responsibility by never submitting to scrutiny. Slippery.

    I dislike irony generally, excepting certain types, one of which AA uses regularly: incisive irony clear in the mind of the writer, but so pervasive that a reader must consistently question what in hell is intended. I like his fatalistic irony as well, which has the same result mixed in.

    But forget DS’s fantastic pronouncements regarding womanhood. His myriad factual, incontestable statements are enough. Too easy to miss, amid the par grammar (yesterday he wrote the millennial “must of” for “must’ve”; yikes!), cliches, and humor, that he’s an immature extraordinary talent, blooming late. I see greatness ahead. Oh, and his singing is horrible.

    BTW, I don’t count sex within the average longterm relationship as “getting laid”. Someone does?

  365. thordaddy says:
    @AaronB

    Well… The hypothesis has been falsified on both fronts.

    In other words, there have been SARS-CoV2 infections with no sickness (asymptomatic) and there have been “Covid-19” cases with no SARS-CoV2 infection.

  366. Sunshine says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I never tried to say that one sex was totally to blame, or all bad, and the other totally blameless. That’s obviously not realistic or factual. I’m just going by what I’ve seen, and experienced.

    Yes, I have known many stupid, dishonorable, promiscuous men that have behaved abominably. But I have known far more decent men than I ever have known decent women.

    I think the thing I appreciate most about men is that they’re willing to agree to disagree, most of the time. They’re generally pretty open and straightforward as well. At least more of them are than women, in my experience. There’s no need to try and guess what they’re “really” feeling or how whatever you did unintentionally, upset them. There are a lot less mind games with men. But this is my personal experience and that’s shaped my opinions. I don’t claim my experiences to be universal.

  367. Sunshine says:
    @RodW

    That’s not all he does, though. He still writes interesting articles and his forum is filled with tons of great comments and threads. It’s not “woman hate” 24/7.

    • Replies: @Anon
  368. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Angharad

    Nah. It’s out and about and everyone will be exposed. So deal with it.

    Perhaps this should be past tense? From the shape of the graphs, it looks like we’ve all been exposed already.

    To me, it looks like reality has already run its course and now we’re stuck in a twilight zone waiting for perceptions to catch up.

    • Replies: @Angharad
  369. “Brad Griffin claimed in his gotcha manifesto that anyone who even dares ask questions about whether or not it is desirable to surrender all control of our lives to this government,”

    Brad is a paid operative – of this I’m now 100% sure. I used to follow him on a regular basis but had an uneasy feeling when he started attacking Trump almost from the beginning. Later I observed his obsession with Andrew Anglin – it was almost like a junior high teen that had been spited – weird. Now that I see his position on the virus, it’s obvious that he crossed over to the other side a while ago and is very likely well-paid for his work (by the ADL, SPLC, or any similar well-funded organization).

    Brad is an example of “controlled opposition” and I’ll give you a good definition to show how they infiltrate groups and lead the people along a different path like a Pied Piper.

    Controlled Opposition is the term used to describe “leaders” who arrive on the scene (almost out of
    nowhere) and offer us amazing nuggets of truth. These “facts” either wow us (or confirm something we subconsciously knew, but wanted confirmation). As a result, these pied pipers get us to follow them like heroes – like a cult. Ultimately, these sheep in wolves clothing lead us away from our original path.

    And this is Brad Griffin – pretending to be a Nationalist yet attacking a Nationalist leader – President Trump – from the very beginning. He pretends to be suspicious of the government yet claims that we should trust everything we’re hearing from the Media and that we should follow all government directives regarding the virus. He didn’t “arrive out of nowhere” which made him harder to detect – instead he made subtle shifts over time. So in his case it’s possible that he was the real deal long ago, but money waved in his face made him change his tune.

    So if nothing else, let Brad Griffin stand as an example of what paid Controlled Opposition looks like – so that in the future you (we) will be less likely to be fooled. I think his followers are starting to figure this out based on some of the comments I’ve seen recently.

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Angharad
  370. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sunshine

    I used to love the comments but for the life of me can’t access them any longer, do tell how.

  371. 450.org says:

    The virus got out of the labe last Autumn.

    Which lab is the question.

  372. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim Hansen

    So if nothing else, let Brad Griffin stand as an example of what paid Controlled Opposition looks like – so that in the future you (we) will be less likely to be fooled. I think his followers are starting to figure this out based on some of the comments I’ve seen recently.

    This is one of the core benefits of reading UR comments section. It’s like a bullshit detection boot camp.

  373. Angharad says:
    @Smith

    I HATE them. I want to track down every last one and shove a vent tube down their throats.

  374. D-FENS says:
    @Rex Little

    Both Iraq and Afghanistan border Iran which is the next target.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  375. Angharad says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t know if every one has been exposed to this virus already. It’s difficult to obtain accurate information. This whole situation is not about healthcare, or public safety. It’s about a power coup.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if every one has been exposed. I and my family and friends are OVER it I’m attending a family birthday party with weekend. There’s a brand new baby in our family. A bunch of us are planning to celebrate. We won’t be wearing masks. We’ll be in the same house, and we are planning to have a wonderful time!

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  376. @D-FENS

    But the US is supposed to be leaving both; one by the order of Trump and the other by local parliamentary decree. Oh I see, they’ll be leaving for Iran.

  377. Brad Griffin calmly details Andrew Anglin’s long, long, long list of ideological flip-flopping. He has apparently never believed in anything for more than a year.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/05/07/andrew-anglin-the-white-savior/

    • Replies: @Angharad
  378. There is nothing at all suspicious that Andrew Auernheimer, AKA “Weev,” was a proud “Nazi hunter” and self-proclaimed Jew who went down on federal charges, only to reemerge as a full-blown “Nazi” with a giant swastika tattoo on his chest the minute his federal charges were mysteriously dropped and his sentence was vacated.

    There’s also nothing suspicious about the fact that Jewish investors kept the Daily Stormer alive when it was being deplatformed again and again.

    And there’s nothing suspicious at all about the fact that the Daily Stormer was the most in-your-face “Nazi” site since Stormfront, only to suddenly pivot and go on a years-long campaign against “Nazis” and “wignats” the moment that Charlottesville happened. Why, it only seems like yesterday that both Andrews were sieg-heiling for the camera.

    And there’s nothing suspicious that with this history—especially Weev’s—they’ve been calling everyone “feds” of late.

  379. Angharad says:
    @Andy's Preacher Daddy

    A stopped clock is correct twice a day.

  380. Angharad says:
    @Jim Hansen

    What I find to be really interesting about Brad’s site is that he a dedicated Southern Nationalist, etc – but he’s written nothing about the shooting in Georgia, where in to White men are being pilloried and persecuted for shooting a black criminal who invaded their property. Nothing. He’s only pushing the Corona (((agitprop))).

    Weird. You’d think he’s notice a national story wherein Whites are being persecuted for defending themselves.

    Not one word, though.

    • Replies: @Jim Hansen
  381. ATBOTL says:

    Anglin is an obvious and undeniable agent provocateur against the alt-right.

  382. The Daily Stormer has morphed into a cult.

  383. thordaddy says:

    The problem with always “seeing” a crypto-jew at the top and bottom of every milieu is ALWAYS SEEING a crypto-jew at the top and bottom of every milieu. This reflex is, at some point of racial reflection, a noted pathology.

    “Belief” and uttering truths don’t necessarily need go hand-and-hand.

    If AA is well FED, it doesn’t taint where he reveals truth.

    The individual needs to decide whether he goes to AA for AA’s beliefs or his well FED revelations.

  384. thordaddy says:

    Same goes for “Hunter.”

    His take on the plannedemic is nearly inexplicable without the notion of him being turnt to factor into the equation.

    So for instance:

    United States death count: highest

    “American” death count: lower

    Real American death count: even lower

    SOUTHERN MAN death count: lowest

    Old “Hunter” would be focused on the last line. New Brad is focused the first one, instead.

    Just like you shouldn’t use your virtual name in real life, you probably shouldn’t use your real name in virtual life. It changes your brain in fundamental ways.

    • Agree: Angharad
  385. thordaddy says:

    The only way to root out the well FED within the cybersphere is get their take on “white supremacy.”

    Jew=anti-white supremacy.

    Then, instead of accepting the enemies’ concept of “white supremacy,” an absolute conception is introduced thereby intensifying the litmus test.

    White Supremacy, absolutely defined, is a voluntary collective of white men who believe in and therefore strive towards objective Supremacy, ie., Perfection.

    When so conceived the TRUE HATRED of the “jew” is real eyed.

    To test the well FED, suspects must be interrogated ruthlessly on their beliefs about white men who desire Supremacy?

    Only under this scrutiny can they possibly be forced to reveal their possible handling.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  386. @thordaddy

    “To test the well FED, suspects must be interrogated ruthlessly on their beliefs about white men who desire Supremacy? Only under this scrutiny can they possibly be forced to reveal their possible handling.”

    It appears to me that this kind of scrutiny would require a complete re-write of the Bill of Rights. Count me out.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  387. thordaddy says:
    @Neil Templeton

    I think you missed my point, Neil?

    If you want to know whether “Hunter” and Anglin are well FED cryptos then they must be savagely interrogated about their beliefs on white men who desire Supremacy.

    “We” know for a fact that the jew qua Jew is anti-white Supremacy.

    A well FED crypto-jew CANNOT fake a desire for Supremacy and thus will reveal himself in opposition to white Supremacy if seriously scrutinized.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  388. @thordaddy

    I would guess that Mr. Anglin is sincere, but even if not, judging from a brief read of his stuff I think he’s smart enough to avoid the kind of scrutiny trap you propose.

    • Replies: @thordaddy
  389. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Do you have a source for this info?

    I asked because I wanted to compare it to this source:

  390. @Angharad

    Yes – that’s a good point. Equally important is what is omitted. Years ago I’m pretty sure he would have made a big deal about it – but now he ignores it.

  391. thordaddy says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Avoidance is to create suspicion of being well FED…

    I’ve tested many. Almost all fail.

  392. Rev Kang says:

    with the appearance of Anglin on Unz dot com i can now say

    Hail Hail the Gang’s All Here!!

  393. ET comes home !
    Where have we gone, Joe DeAnglino, a nation turns its lonely eyes to you…♪ ♫ ♬

  394. Amina says:
    @MB

    N.B. The CDC has revised the number of people who died from Covid rather than with Covid down to < 10,000 since the very beginning of the casedemic.

    • Agree: Publius 2
  395. Publius 2 says:

    Welp, Anglin and those who follow him were right. As always.

    Where’s our apology from the left?

    I’ll watch the time.

  396. Publius 2 says:
    @Brad Griffin

    Wow are you stupid.

    Have you apologized yet?

    You should be disqualified from ever debating politics ever again.

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