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The right wing Ecuadorean government of President Moreno continues to churn out its production line of fake documents regarding Julian Assange, and channel them straight to MI6 mouthpiece Luke Harding of the Guardian.

Amazingly, more Ecuadorean Government documents have just been discovered for the Guardian, this time spy agency reports detailing visits of Paul Manafort and unspecified “Russians” to the Embassy. By a wonderful coincidence of timing, this is the day after Mueller announced that Manafort’s plea deal was over.

The problem with this latest fabrication is that Moreno had already released the visitor logs to the Mueller inquiry. Neither Manafort nor these “Russians” are in the visitor logs.

This is impossible. The visitor logs were not kept by Wikileaks, but by the very strict Ecuadorean security. Nobody was ever admitted without being entered in the logs. The procedure was very thorough. To go in, you had to submit your passport (no other type of document was accepted). A copy of your passport was taken and the passport details entered into the log. Your passport, along with your mobile phone and any other electronic equipment, was retained until you left, along with your bag and coat. I feature in the logs every time I visited.

There were no exceptions. For an exception to be made for Manafort and the “Russians” would have had to be a decision of the Government of Ecuador, not of Wikileaks, and that would be so exceptional the reason for it would surely have been noted in the now leaked supposed Ecuadorean “intelligence report” of the visits. What possible motive would the Ecuadorean government have for facilitating secret unrecorded visits by Paul Manafort? Furthermore it is impossible that the intelligence agency – who were in charge of the security – would not know the identity of these alleged “Russians”.

Previously Harding and the Guardian have published documents faked by the Moreno government regarding a diplomatic appointment to Russia for Assange of which he had no knowledge. Now they follow this up with more documents aimed to provide fictitious evidence to bolster Mueller’s pathetically failed attempt to substantiate the story that Russia deprived Hillary of the Presidency.

My friend William Binney, probably the world’s greatest expert on electronic surveillance, former Technical Director of the NSA, has stated that it is impossible the DNC servers were hacked, the technical evidence shows it was a download to a directly connected memory stick. I knew the US security services were conducting a fake investigation the moment it became clear that the FBI did not even themselves look at the DNC servers, instead accepting a report from the Clinton linked DNC “security consultants” Crowdstrike.

I would love to believe that the fact Julian has never met Manafort is bound to be established. But I fear that state control of propaganda may be such that this massive “Big Lie” will come to enter public consciousness in the same way as the non-existent Russian hack of the DNC servers.

Assange never met Manafort. The DNC emails were downloaded by an insider. Assange never even considered fleeing to Russia. Those are the facts, and I am in a position to give you a personal assurance of them.

I can also assure you that Luke Harding, the Guardian, Washington Post and New York Times have been publishing a stream of deliberate lies, in collusion with the security services.

I am not a fan of Donald Trump. But to see the partisans of the defeated candidate (and a particularly obnoxious defeated candidate) manipulate the security services and the media to create an entirely false public perception, in order to attempt to overturn the result of the US Presidential election, is the most astonishing thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.

Plainly the government of Ecuador is releasing lies about Assange to curry favour with the security establishment of the USA and UK, and to damage Assange’s support prior to expelling him from the Embassy. He will then be extradited from London to the USA on charges of espionage.

Assange is not a whistleblower or a spy – he is the greatest publisher of his age, and has done more to bring the crimes of governments to light than the mainstream media will ever be motivated to achieve. That supposedly great newspaper titles like the Guardian, New York Times and Washington Post are involved in the spreading of lies to damage Assange, and are seeking his imprisonment for publishing state secrets, is clear evidence that the idea of the “liberal media” no longer exists in the new plutocratic age. The press are not on the side of the people, they are an instrument of elite control.

(Republished from CraigMurray.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Rational says:

    “ALL LIES, ALL LIES, ALL LIES”

    So he screamed in the cafeteria and spilled his morning coffee. We all wondered what happened to him and so we looked at his friend, and he told us that he must have read the NYT, as that was his common reaction, a cry of pain and anguish and screams of “all lies, all lies, all lies” whenever he reads the newspaper or watches the TV, esp. NYT.

    Your article and the previous news about Manfort visiting Assange and the funny timing of the same reminded me of this story.

    The Western MSM is a lying scamming leftwing propaganda machine.

  2. Rational says:

    ADDENDUM: ASSANGE DESERVES A NOBLE PRIZE FOR PEACE.

    Trump should pardon him and award him Medals of Honor, asylum to this persecuted migrant, and he should get a noble too.

    • Agree: The scalpel
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Colin Wright
  3. That Manafort visited Assange is not only lie it is a total stupidity.
    Trump had no intention of dropping Levandowsky.
    Manafort was hired on short notice because Ted Cruise was starting to bribe and steel delegates.
    Than Trump team in the panic hired Manafort.
    The Vikileaks publications started long time before. (I do think that they were already all published )

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  4. Sad to say Mrs May’s government is as contemptible as Tony Blair’s and Assange will be handed over to the US once booted out of the embassy. All of a piece with the craven refusal of asylum to Asia Bibi, the persecuted Pakistani Christian. Britain is no longer fit to be an independent nation free of the EU.

  5. My opinions are conflicted, but I’d rather give Assange a Nobel Peace Prize than a criminal conviction. He definitely deserves a Nobel Prize more than Obama. I was in an eatery in Cambridge, MA, when I heard Obama’s prize announced, and even there people where aghast and astounded.

  6. Craig Murray is a good-hearted guy, who has suffered in his life from being honest and blowing the whistle -

    But in Murray’s eagerness to help other dissidents, he has been royally duped by the hoax of CIA-Mossad fakers Julian Assange and Edward Snowden

    With Assange even publicly admitted to be an intel agency fraud by no less than Israel’s Bibi Netanyahu and the USA’s late Zbigniew Brzezinski too

    At least two people who contacted Assange have turned up dead – Seth Rich & Peter W Smith. Assange pretends to be ‘concerned’ about the former, he denies receiving the latter’s files … a whole string of people are dead or jailed after foolishly trusting Assange or Snowden’s pumper and Rothschild man Glenn Greenwald … we may never know how many were silenced, destroyed, killed after sending in their earnest message to these frauds and their media

    Why is it that people trust CIA-tied media, to tell them who a ‘dissident’ is?

    The UK Guardian, a newspaper with Rothschild board supervision, was one of the original promoters of Assange, along with fellow CIA news media the New York Times … and Julian for his part has had Rothschild legal services, in the person of Mark Stephens Esq … World’s richest family helping run both Assange and the Guardian, ha!

    European officials laugh about the fairy tale that Assange has been ‘living’ at the Ecuador embassy in London – the UK police apparently ‘watch’ the place so MI5-MI6 can move him in and out for his meetings and photo opportunities, Assange is known to stay on a Rothschild friend’s estate

    Assange avoids talking about the files showing evidence of US federal judge bribery in Virginia, which has blocked other extraditions from Europe … Assange is curiously unwilling to ‘save himself’, and prefers to follow CIA instructions to stay quiet about US fed judge bribery … Snowden officially first ‘leaked’ to Dick Cheney’s biographer at the CIA Washington Post, ha! … etc. More at the link above

    • Replies: @Anon
  7. The Guardian was bought by Soros, a few years ago.
    Washpost, NYT and CNN, Deep State mouthpieces.
    That the USA, as long as Deep State has not been eradicated completely from USA society, will continue to try to get Assange, and of course also Snowdon, in it claws, is more than obvious.
    So what are we talking about ?
    Assange just uses the freedom of information act, or how the the USA euphemism for telling them nothing, is called.
    How Assange survives, mentally and bodily, being locked up in a small room without a bathroom, for several years now, is beyond my comprehension.
    But of course, for ‘traitors’ like him human rights do not exist.

    • Replies: @factsfirst
    , @Anon
  8. I tried this in the Grauniad search box

    Term: “Far Right” result: “About 1,400,000 results (0.23 seconds)”

    Term : “Far Left” result: “About 7,310 results (0.22 seconds) ”

    Only Pol Pot is to the Left of that bird-cage liner.

  9. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    “I can also assure you that Luke Harding, the Guardian, Washington Post and New York Times have been publishing a stream of deliberate lies, in collusion with the security services.”

    These outfits are largely state-run at this point. The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos, a man with deep ties to the CIA through his Amazon company (which depends upon federal subsidies and has received security agency “support”) and the Guardian is clandestinely funded through UK government purchases, among other things. MI6 has also effectively compromised the former integrity and objectivity of that outlet by threatening them with prosecutions for revealing MI6 spy practices. And the NYT has always been state-run. See their coverage of the Iraq War. The Israelis have bragged about having an asset at the Times. The American government has several.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  10. Altai says:

    It’s amazing to see the obvious progression of the lies as they take hold in an anti-Trump elite who seem completely impervious to understanding his victory over Clinton. All these people who claim to be so cosmopolitan and educated seem to think Assange or Manafort would have any interest in meeting each other. (Let alone in the company of unspecified ‘Russians’.)

    At first it was that Assange was wrong to publish the DNC leaks because it hurt Clinton and thus helped Trump.

    Then it was that Assange was actively trying to help Trump.

    Now it’s that Assange is in collusion with Trump and the ‘Russians’.

    The same thing happened with the Trump-Russian nonsense which goes ever more absurd as time goes on. Slowly boiling the frog in the public’s mind. The allegations are so nonsensical, yet there are plenty of educated, supposedly cosmopolitan people who don’t understand the backgrounds or motives of their ‘liberal’ heroes in the NYT or Guardian who believe this on faith.

    None of these people will ever question how if any of this is true how the security services of the West didn’t know it and if they supposedly know it, how come they aren’t acting like it’s true. They are acting like they’re attempting to smear politicians they don’t like, however.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  11. Che Guava says:

    Luke Harding is particularly despicable. He made his name as a journalist off privileged access to Wilkileaks docs, and has been persistently attacking Assange ever since the Swedish fan-girl farce.

    Assange did make a mistake (of which I am sure he is all too aware now) in the choice to, rather than leave the info. open on-line, collaborate with the filthy Guardian, the sleazy NYT, and I forget dirty name of the third publication.

    Big tactictal error.

  12. Che Guava says:
    @anon

    Since you are posting as Anon coward, I am not expecting a reply, but would be interested in (and would not doubt) state funding of the ‘Guardian’?

    As for the NYT, they are plainly in some sense state-funded, but the state in question is neither New York nor the U.S.A., but the state of Israel.

    • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
  13. mike k says:

    Only the thoroughly brainwashed can doubt the truths in this article. Unfortunately that includes a huge number of Americans.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  14. @Altai

    The one lesson that the left has learned is to double downin perpetuity.

    Their invincible arragance is matched only by their stupidity.

  15. @Che Guava

    Perhaps he is referring to the sheer volume of ads the British government places for public sector appointments. As for the paper edition, most of it seems to be bought by the BBC!

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  16. @jilles dykstra

    “The Guardian was bought by Soros, a few years ago ” – really?

    Can you prove it? No, the Guardian’s editorial participation in Project Syndicate (to which, I understand, Soros has made both monetary and personal editorial contributions) doesn’t count.

    I don’t believe Soros owns an actual newspaper, unlike Sheldon Adelson (who owns a few – some in Israel) or fellow hedge fund manager Seth Klarman (who founded one in Israel).

    Maybe Soros is not sufficiently “American” or “patriotic” to warrant his ownership of an Israeli newspaper?

  17. MI 6 and the MOSSAD and the CIA are terrorists and liars who work for their Zionist masters who also are the mother of terrorists and liars and this is what they do , they terrorize and lie and kill and destroy nations, all for the goal of a satanic Zionist NWO.

    Read The Committee of 300 by John Coleman and The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed and The Protocols of Zion to see the Zionist satanic playbook!

  18. Agent76 says:

    May 22, 2017 Julian Assange – We need a revolution

    There’s a million reasons why. This is just “and one”.

    December 26, 2013 War Games in Cyberspace

    NATO’s Cyber Defense Exercises Coincide with “Anonymous” Cyber Attacks against Ukraine NATO Cyber Defense Center in Tallinn, Estonia features a fusion of modern technology with outdated cold war ideology

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-games-in-cyberspace-natos-cyber-defense-exercises-coincide-with-anonymous-cyber-attacks-against-ukraine/5362734

  19. crimson2 says:

    Manafort will die in prison. Assange is effectively in prison. The corrupt right wing is losing and once Trump is gone things can finally start getting better.

  20. So, you think that partisans of the grotesquely (my word) obnoxious candidate who lost are manipulating the media etc… think about it again. The people who have money and want more through corruption (I won’t name them here) and have a singular agenda to achieve ends with that pile of mammon, are the ones pulling the strings that control the monkeys, be it MI6, Bob Mueller or corpulent cow Hillary or the orange orangutan in the White House. Of course, it wasn’t always like this: Henry VIII would have had their heads on pikes for lesser agitation!

  21. SteveP says:

    Trump initially tried, but did not have enough firepower to take down the global elites. There are many documents at his disposal that would at least shine a telling light on the malefactors, but the bureaucrats refuse to release them. And if released, the MSM would either not report them, or if otherwise leaked, would be declared as spurious. The machinery of tyranny is well-maintained and efficiently operational. The accumulation of power and wealth is too important to be left to the discretion of the “little folk.”

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  22. chris m says:

    reply to comment #6
    “European officials laugh about the fairy tale that Assange has been ‘living’ at the Ecuador embassy in London – the UK police apparently ‘watch’ the place so MI5-MI6 can move him in and out for his meetings and photo opportunities, Assange is known to stay on a Rothschild friend’s estate”

    what? are you being funny?

    that comment does reminds me of a series of books (and a few BBC TV program called Chronicle)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicle_(UK_TV_programme)

    “for example in the three episodes by Henry Lincoln on the Rennes-le-Château “mystery” and Knights Templar conspiracy theory broadcast in 1972, 1974, and 1979 (the conspiracy theory would be further expounded in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and later became the inspiration for Dan Brown’s novel The Da Vinci Code).”

    the upshot of those series of books and the TV programs was

    no, Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, as is commonly believed
    …..but survived and went off to live in the South of France, where he founded the French Merovingian dynasty.
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail)

    still, that does not mean that these “stories” are true, or not true.

    just that i am somewhat flabbergasted.

  23. I wasn’t too concerned about Julian coming to America to face trial until I saw the RT Crosstalk show. Apparently, they think Julian’s trial will essentially, be held in secret.

    Disturbing.

    • Agree: Agent76
  24. Discussing this issue is painful. It is painful because it was, in my view, it was essential for the WH to stay in line with the facts. And on the issue of Russian interference, the fact are not data sets, but claims without much substantial evidence, just more claims.

    The may be evidence that Russia did x, y and z, but there’s no evidence that ha been supplied that such took place or that if it did it had any effect on the outcome. But the WH having signed on to the intel report which serves to indict, not merely Russians, but Pres Putin himself. By making a link to Mr. Assange, the issue is not whether Mr. Assange accepted Democratic party material, but that he in fact was part of the Russian conspiracy, which the president of the US has stated actually occurred.

    Great Britain’s involvement, is reminiscent of the “yellow cake” Niger forgeries and the Al Quaeda, Iraqi spy photos supposed taken in Prague as reported by some czech officials and “radio free Europe”. Not only is the matter convenient, but it is also unsupported and the photo all but a hoax.

    If in fact, the only thing that Mr Assange did was report information from documents/material provided by others a there is no evidence that he operated in unison with any foreign agency, then he is merely a reporter. And while I cannot be party to supporting stolen material. I think the case against Mr. Assange is a might spare vehicle and less of any parts to advance the vehicle forward.

    I am deeply concerned that the tactics used to thwart justice for one particular population not only survive, but have been honed to use without even the veneer of cover. If the defense as laid out by the vitiation embassy logs are correct, and there’s no reason for me to doubt them then the stakes have even shaken off pretense – and that is sinister indeed. Setting about destroying another at any price to integrity, to be wrong at any price, to gain one’s way at any price —

    However one considers President George Bush Sr., his is the passing of an era of polity and ethics in the arena of politics that may be permanently on its way out.

    —————————-

    Fair thee well President George W.H. Bush . . .

  25. @factsfirst

    No, no proof.
    Mentioned in the internet.
    But we know that the Guardian was the one and only objective GB newspaper, where people as Galloway and Anatol Lieven could write their articles, critical of the west.
    We also know it was in financial difficulties.
    And now, all of a sudden, Guardian became a Deep State mouthpiece.
    And it still exists
    Does not this point to some philantropic person having bought the Guardian ?

    In general, independent, thus possibly objective, media do not exist any more: Murdoch, Chaim Saban, Soros, Adelson.
    Even state owned media are controlled by jews, BBC in UK, NOS in Netherlands.
    Belgian VRT and Canvas, both state owned, still are reasonably objective.

    How this is possible, I do not know.
    Maybe the fact that Mossad European headquarters was in Brussels has something to do with it, and/or the rumoured connection of Mossad with the Nijvel gang.
    Belgium still tries to arrest the suspected murderer, said to have been a Mossad man, of the Canadian scientist, who was building Saddam’s so called super gun, an installation that was designed to bring satellites into orbit.

    • Replies: @ermyownfacts
    , @Anonymous
  26. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Good stuff Craig. Give the lying bastards Hell.

    My only question concerns the phrase “the new plutocratic age.” Are you suggesting that plutocracy in America is new, which is obviously untrue, or merely that there is something new about America’s tradition of plutocracy — and which case, what exactly is new?

  27. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Rational

    and he should get a noble too.

    There’s nothing noble about the Nobel, if it’s the Piss Prize you are referring to, an award mostly made to terrorists, mass murderers, or lying scientists and bureaucrats, once their active career of terrorism, mass murder or public deception approaches its end.

  28. @EliteCommInc.

    Talking of “facts”, Poppy Bush’s initials are “George Herbert Walker Bush” – not “George W. H. Bush”. G.”W” Bush is his son.

    As for his “polity”, he was a patrician, a WASP who didn’t believe that he was supposed to take orders from Tel Aviv or its lobbyists on these shores. That era clearly has passed given the present White House.

    As for his ethics, he and the Lee Atwaters of his world knew how to play dirty pool, but never to the point where it endangered this republic – again, quite unlike the present Oval Office “occupier” (nothing more than a petty real estate shyster who surrounds himself with that ilk).

  29. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Why is it that people trust CIA-tied media, to tell them who a ‘dissident’ is?

    Good question. Given Assange’s contempt for 9/11 conspiracy theorists,* it always seemed to me that it would be insane for anyone with real dirt on the globalist elite to contact Wikileaks.

    * Assange: “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

    • Replies: @Agent76
  30. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @SteveP

    Trump initially tried

    Did he try? Or did he try only to look as though he tried?

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  31. @factsfirst

    Soros is only front man (servant) of Rothschild clique. That’s all. All Zionist movement is directed from this clique.

    • Replies: @noprojectionplease
  32. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Are you speaking of Ted Cruz or Tom Cruise? Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  33. chris says:

    A great and very important article, though I am completely baffled by the naïveté of such an ending:

    … that the idea of the “liberal media” no longer exists in the new plutocratic age.

    Especially today, around the 100th anniversary of the end of WWI, or the Boer war before and WWII afterward, where the propaganda mills on both sides of the Atlantic were churning out shameless lies, vilifying future war adversaries exactly the way they’re doing to Russia today, to now realize that the “liberal media no longer [sic] exists” is utterly absurd for anyone who didn’t just wake up from a long coma last week.

    I don’t recall the mea culpas from the ‘liberal media’ at the end of those wars about how now they would now get back on the job of being objective; no, that point never happened, and for a very good reason, namely because they never were!

    No, the very first step in building an empire is to control the media. You cannot build such a monstrosity if you do not control the propaganda and Mr. Murray is being disingenuous if he doesn’t acknowledge that!

  34. @EliteCommInc.

    Both Bushes were spineless morons.

    • Replies: @Prusmc
    , @EliteCommInc.
  35. @follyofwar

    I can’t remember all those stupid mexican names. But I am under suspicion that you know which one I did mean,

  36. The story says that “Assange never considered fleeing to Russia.” I wonder if he wishes now that he had. Apparently he was too trusting and not as smart as Snowden.

    Also it’s quite ironic that a real criminal like leaker-of-state-secrets Private “Chelsea” Manning is now free (thanks to Obama’s commutation), while journalist Assange, not even a US citizen, faces who knows what once he leaves the Ecuadoran embassy. Don’t get me wrong, I think Manning is a hero. Still, as an active duty soldier, what he did by giving Wikileaks classified documents was clearly illegal. And, what Assange did by publishing them, but NOT soliciting them, is clearly NOT illegal (see the Pentagon Papers published by the NY Times.).

    Maybe the time is not yet ripe for Trump to end this madness. But, before he leaves office, he should pardon the lot of them (Manafort, Assange, Flynn, et al). And he needs to sic a special prosecutor on this Hillary-inspired Mueller/Rosenstein Russia witch hunt which has so damaged the country.

    And a special Jeer to the feckless government of Australia. What, if anything, have they done to defend the rights of one of their own?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  37. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Do you even live in this country?

    The hard right-wing Israel First cabal in America (and the Oval Office) ain’t led by Soros, it’s led by folks like Adelson, Mort Klein and Paul Singer via infil-traitors like Kushner.

    (Tsk, do stop trying to to excuse these neo-con/likudniks by projecting their sins onto Soros – this hasbara push is growing stale)

  38. Prusmc says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Is “poppy Bush going to get the kind of send off McCain received? Will the PRESIDENT be disinvited?

  39. @jilles dykstra

    Sarah Sanders:

    Please answer a simple question: Has the Scott Trust Ltd. (or whatever it is called) which owns/owned The Guardian (and a few other things) sold The Guardian to George Soros?

    If yes, then show us the evidence; if no, then please declare that you are in error.

    Honestly, how complicated is that – even for an Unz comment gadfly?

  40. @Prusmc

    Or, will Poppy have to suffer the appearance of Ron Dermer or Danny Dannon?

    Puh-leeeez becomes oy-vey?

    Just a thought………

    • Replies: @waspy
  41. waspy says:
    @memoryisall

    Well, “Mory’s” could be remaned “Maury’s”. Would that suffice?

    Hurrah – the upstairs photos can remain untouched.

  42. Agent76 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Here is some great insight and report.

    Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

    Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers.

  43. Art says:

    If Trump brings Assange to the US in chains, he can kiss winning in 2020 away.

    Trump won 2016 by mere thousands of votes here and there.

    Civil libertarians will not vote for Trump if he prosecutes Assange.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  44. Skeptikal says:
    @mike k

    Yes, a huge number of people educated at Ivy League universities. I have been stunned by the combination of ignorance and malicious, gleeful ire directed at Assange by world-class journalists who are members of my college class. They are happy to see him swing in the breeze for his alleged collusion with Russia to throw the US election. They don’t register that the Manafort visit has been confected to link Assange to the nutty Russiagate fishing trip, and thus provide a flimsy veil to bring Assange to the USA most likely in chains or drugged in some way to incapacitate his body and his brain.

    First Amendment: Forget it! It’s all still about Hillary.

    • Agree: RobinG
    • Replies: @blackball
  45. Skeptikal says:
    @Art

    Well, youi may be right, but I very much doubt that any “civil libertarians” voted for Trump in 2016.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  46. @Rational

    ‘ADDENDUM: ASSANGE DESERVES A NOBLE PRIZE FOR PEACE.

    Trump should pardon him and award him Medals of Honor, asylum to this persecuted migrant, and he should get a noble too.’

    Nobel, for Chris’sake.

  47. @Skeptikal

    ‘Well, youi may be right, but I very much doubt that any “civil libertarians” voted for Trump in 2016.’

    ? I did. After all, what was the alternative?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  48. @Prusmc

    If every war criminal will get a weak send off like it was for war criminal McCain than democrats will do nothing else than go from funeral to funeral.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @pyoooh
  49. @EliteCommInc.

    I am a psychiatrist. I did diagnosed you that you have a vacancy syndrome.
    In you is manifesting this way: You do not know what you do not want to know.

  50. pyoooh says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Well, funerals can be worse.

    If trump and his oily allies bibi and MbS (you know, the ones who “defend” the U.S. from “Iran”) attend Poppy’s funeral, then the National Cathedral/Yale University Chapel would have to be disinfected afterwards.

    What God-fearing American is gonna sit in a pew which these third world, right-wing neo-con grifters have even as much as set eyes on?

    Actually, it might be a good idea to have the whole place exorcised as well – just in case there are any traces of AIPAC or FDD left behind.

  51. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    Do you have evidence for all that? No, well what sources do you rely on?

  52. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    In trying to counter Brabantian’s nonsense about Rothschild control of the Guardian you have added more nonsense. The Guardian was not “bought by George Soros”. That’s BS. The Scott Trust, which is a charitable trust, still owns it.

  53. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You might be a “psychiatrist”, but you sure as heck ain’t a grammarian of the Mother tongue.

    You “did diagnosed you”? “In you is manifesting this way”? Ouch!

    Heavens, when did you arrive in the United States – or are you not even here yet?

  54. @follyofwar

    I agree that the Australian government should have got Assange out of the UK but, unfortunately, while it is not as contemptible as the UK government under the likes of Blair and May, it gave in to the Congress facilitated greed of Disney when signing the so-called Free Trade Agreement with the US so that, already there has been an extradition (and of course punitive plea bargain) of a young Australian who had never been to the US on a Copyright offence. I doubt that the Israeli’s would behave in such a humilating way.

  55. I have just Googled “assange manafort guardian” and find it a little disturbing that the most recent piece is in the Columbia Journalism Review “2 days ago”, the others being at least 4 days old and none being vigorous denunciations of the Guardian piece in the Times, Telegraph or Daily Mail.

  56. @whatsinaname

    President Trump in my view is not engaged in “shysterism” as i think you intend the term.

    We have our differences. But he represented views that i held as to policy on some key issues. That earned hi m my vote.

    We parted company on the several — and parted company so as to have canyon scale space. An d while I would he had stood more on key issues. I also realize that the only president who was mor maligned in my lifetime was President Nixon. And while Nixon faced some real mean spirited antics and even betrayal by his own — even they misread the Watergate mess. eventually, it was Vietnam and all the nastiness that came with it. What was the test case of the seventies is now standard operating procedure for liberals and many including some republicans are heck bent on punishing this president and the voters no doubt for upsetting their apple cart.

    And because of that we needed his to stand. The fact that he did not doesn’t make him a “shyster.”

    • Replies: @sintax
  57. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I beg your pardon. Because I disagree, by definition I have some concocted psychological deficiency. one hopes you are more careful with your patience Dr. I take your diagnosis with same seriousness i take the reclassification of “same sex relations”.

    Now if you care to be specific — I will address it, if need be.

  58. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I take your refereerring to the military service of both Presidents.

    a. President George Bush Sr., served in the US military and fought actively during WWII. They don’t give out DFC’s and AM’s for baking cookies.

    President George Bush Jr. was accused of having evaded Vietnam. And while I was disappointed initially based on the news reports, stepping back and looking the simple truth that most US reservists nor Guardsman were sent to Vietnam — it makes the matter moot. And the assumptions that not being sent is the result of some political biases — remains unsupported. And should that have been the case – some outside influence – it ranks right alongside what influential people have done and hardly uncommon.

    But there is this, given Pres. Bush Sr.’s old school disposition, I highly doubt he would be anything but encouraging as opposed to involvement in some collusion for his son to avoid “doing his duty”.

  59. My first instinct was to disbelieve. But the ‘Harding wants to present lies’ gambit is equally stupid. Should this scoop prove false and I think the likelihood is still that it will. I’m thinking that Harding was set up. By who I don’t know? It should be interesting and hopefully there will be a clear answer.

  60. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    correction:

    b. President George Bush Jr. was accused of having evaded Vietnam. And while I was disappointed initially based on the news reports, stepping back and looking the simple truth that most US reservists nor Guardsman were sent to Vietnam — it makes the matter moot. And the assumptions that not being sent is the result of some political biases — remains unsupported. And should that have been the case – some outside influence – it ranks right alongside what influential people have done and hardly uncommon.

    ————————————-

    I am deeply concerned about the pettiness of revenge that our politicians engage in — when the personal is used to damage people lives, and careers because they don’t agree with every word, policy, attitude, personal reverence uttered. The mischaracterizing, eavesdropping, out and lieing, manufacturing, distorting, etc. is a nasty petty practice and I am at loss what weird group of individuals authorized such tactics – abusive. It explains why decent people avoid politics and these days we not only poor losers our winners or those around each, don’t handle winning very well.

    I was born and bread here and I don’t write well at all —- no issues on your written skills. Even though I appreciate the frustration of those who tackle my tortured prose.

    • Replies: @Voltara
  61. I am not sure how much I agree with in this article, but Mr Assange fans may appreciate it.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/julian-assange-test-case-for-freedom-of-the-press/

  62. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    I suppose so . . .
    I live in a blue state, so it didn’t matter how I voted.

  63. sintax says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Whence come you mushrooms of dark foreign troll farms?

    You tell us (with a straight face!) that you sincerely believe, “President Trump in my view is not engaged in ‘shysterism’ as i think you intend the term.”

    If you’ve spent any time in NYC over the past 45 years you’d know one thing: trump was a born real estate shyster and never will be anything but that. The only difference between him and his father is that Fred was a fan of accumulating cash – not debts.

    Learn some colloquial English; then, learn some history. It’ll make you a far better soldier for your country’s internet “efforts”…

  64. Che Guava says:
    @Simon Tugmutton

    That is a good suggestion.

    Shame the moron commentor her or himself couldn’t say what she or he was blathering on about.

    I avoid the Grauniad altogether, when I still read it at times, as with the NYT (I am ashamed to say that I was buying their international print edition, IHT two or so times a week, to study English).

    As I started to realise that it was just a wall of lies, and that the journalists, editors are just ugly pro-liars, I realise that the mass-media of the western left are so stupid, ‘feminists’ and ‘PoC’ or ‘MENA’, whatever included. They all have there heads up some rectum of mind. I think to say ‘sh*theads’ is perfectly appropriate.

    Sometimes I make a resolution to avoid all anon posts, but the occasional interesting reply such as yours (almost never from the anon.), and the artist formerly known as Priss Factor and later Priss Factory always posting entertaining rants as anon for a long time now, never completely avoid anon posts … although those by the former Priss come to be long and repetitive enough to be a waste of time to read.

    … and, as usual, the link to the comment to which I was replying timed out.

    This time, I tried the cut, cancel comment, reply button, paste, repost as a reply,

    Broken.

  65. @whatsinaname

    though I appreciate middle name correction –

  66. @sintax

    I am unclear what to say about Pres. Trump’s tenure as a real estate developer and investor. we are not talking about hi tenure as said developer. We are talking about his tenure as Pres.

    Thus far to my knowledge , whatever my own disappointments, there is no indication that he has behaved any more egregious than previous politicians. The fact that he has shifted on policies is disappointing. However, back peddling or changing course is neither knew or earth shattering. if you care to present a specific example, i will address, if I am able.

    There is no personal gain or benefit for me in my support. I voted for him. And while I have no small amount of angst concerning his shifts. Nothing has occurred for which I would changed my vote given the candidates. None of whom came close to being as conservative as I am.

    And thus far, “shyster” is not a reference I would make formally about this president.
    ———————————–

    As disappointing as it may be, debt seems to the new standard in economics. In fact, I read a lengthy paper on the Federal reserve, debt is actually a part of the new economies. I don’t agree with the premise or the analysis in full, but I understand it. I am concerned with his tenure as president.

    I am keenly aware of what the term “shyster” means.

    • Replies: @blackball
  67. @sintax

    Correction:

    Federal reserve, debt is actually a part of the new economies. I don’t agree with the premise or the analysis in full, but I understand it. Laugh, at least I think I get it.

    I am keenly aware of what the term “shyster” means. But this far none of the predictions of electing him president have not materialized, not even as mist.

    I have some concerns, but I am not concerned that the world will end as result of his election, nor am I concerned that the WH is going to become a casino. But DC gambling was not invented or introduced by President Trump. The deficit (debt) and deficit spending are not his creations.

    • Replies: @stopyourhotair
  68. @EliteCommInc.

    Did they ever teach you any Americans idioms in your foreign language class? Stuff like, “quit while you’re behind” or “a guilty conscience is a mouth that won’t shut”.

    Nah, just look up “windbag” and you’ll be off to a fine start…….

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  69. @stopyourhotair

    Hmmmm . . .,

    that’s an interesting response. Let me know what it is your are responding to that has you in such a state.

    Luaghing. If you have a case to make that the president is a “shyster” as you understand it. Make it.

  70. blackball [AKA "hasbaraisboring"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    If you’re confused, let me help “clarify” things for you.

    When Fred Trump passed away, his estate left junior real estate shyster “donny” with:

    A. Lots of much needed cash?

    or,

    B. Even more debt which donny dumbnut needed to repay?

    (N.B. See? “Money and Banking 101″ ain’t that difficult – even when you can speak a lil’ English.)

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  71. blackball [AKA "windyshoresnearby"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Yes, many of us are – as you put it – “Luaghing”.

    You’re a foreign stitch!

    Still, the nagging question remains: Can you distinguish between “literal” and “literary” – let alone “littoral”?

    (go ask your supervisors – they’ll let you in on the big secret)

  72. @blackball

    There’s no confusion. Though I made it quite clear. My comments are not in reference to Mr. Trump the real estate developer/investor. You persist on pressing the matter. Included in your comment is the insinuation that i don’t comprehend debt financing. You are mistaken. It is my understanding that Mr. Trump leveraged his debt against what the lenders might lose if he was unsuccessful. They essentially agreed. Using the existing legal financial mechanisms available Mr. Trump turned his losses into gains. He’s a business entrepreneur. I further understand that sometime he was held liable for some debts and sometimes not. He is not the first to take advantage of the said mechanisms. He won’t be the last. What would concern is if he had been convicted of acts as the result of this so called “shysterism”. And it is my understanding that despite not having won every contend, he has yet to be convicted of financial misdeeds. And while, I agree that one can engage in unsavory conduct without being convicted. Mr. Trump does not appear to be any worse than his contemporaries.

    Now if you want to make a case concerning his presidency, make it.

    Laughing. I am not sure of the uniqueness of children mismanaging their parents inheritance. But I think you are simplifying the relationship between Mr trump Sr. and his son. As the father was alive and well during his sons ventures and invested in them as well as functioned as a business partner. Mr Trump Jr. ventured with far greater sums and risks than his father — it appears to have paid off.

    • Replies: @blackball
    , @Che Guava
  73. Voltara says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s not so much pettiness. More the determination to assert his “rights” a grazier feels when his sheep try to break down a fence and escape. The attitude comes from a sense of entitlement.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  74. blackball [AKA "imhere"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Hmmmmmm…baloney (okay, mortadella).

    Do bankers prefer Freddy drumpf (who could repay his debts) to don-knee-bent who could never?

    Alas, ne’re the shysters can meet…….

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  75. @EliteCommInc.

    Only the skeleton.

    Kennedy was bad president because he started the war in Vietnam.
    Johnson was inept president.
    Nixon was the best president.
    Carter was bad president because he did screw up the economy. (kicked it too far left.)
    Regan was the smartest president. Bold. And balanced the economy.
    Bush first kicked the economy too far right. Worst president. He did stab Saddam Husein in the back and started destruction of Sunni power in middle east.
    Clinton was good-bad president, Balanced out the economy. But he started really implement the globalization.
    Bush second was a totally imbecile president that did not understand anything. Whatever he touched it changed into shit.
    Obama was O.K. president but Globalization under him become totally criminal.
    Trump so far is good president but probably of widespread opposition very little he will accomplish

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  76. @sintax

    ‘…If you’ve spent any time in NYC over the past 45 years you’d know one thing: trump was a born real estate shyster and never will be anything but that…’

    Sure.

    The pathetic bit is we had no better choice for president.

    • Replies: @blackball
  77. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    The smartest president in your list, in my view, is President Richard Nixon.

    President Clinton did not balance the budget, a look at how that accounting was done reveals some very peculiar government accounting and the budget conclusions based on “economic projections” verses real numbers. President Reagan’s economic policies laid the foundations for the last economic dip. But again President Clinton was on set when the bricks were put in place. Unfortunately, the benefits of supply side were very limited and tax cuts alongside increased spending – now routine is very problematic.

    Having previously voiced my view on all the others, I will hold my tongue.

    Pres Bush Sr. a pragmatist in my view. He was absolutely correct to raise taxes, one has to pay for the government they expand. I am not going to fault anyone because their decency got in the way. H did not shift the economy as much as the economy shifted him. One would think that after the success of the gulf war in which prices for oil remained steady — he’d would be a slam dunk — but the economy. Of course might be a good idea, to leverage loaded questions about the price of bread by simply stating it depends on the brand, type and where one buys their bread madam.

    Pres. Bush Jr. got sideswiped by 9/11. I am not sure given the tilt of nearly everyone in leadership, that the response would have been any different. The interventionists would have had an even easier time. I am not sure Pres Bush Jr. ever took the reigns of his instincts, that suggested the entire interventionists rag was incorrect. and while well meaning — he never should have relinquished as much control to VP Cheney. That was my team and a lot of mistakes were made. Sideswiped by the economic downturn, though I suspect the Treasury Secretary Snow understood almost immediately that the economy was not what the outgoing admin had lauded. I strongly disagree with the characterization — though I am not inclined to debate it.

    Pres. Clinton is also a very intelligent president, and smooth as silk. Likable, an uncanny ability to connect with people — but there wasn’t much to support regarding his policies. He had a very solid grasp of the issues, in my view and understood how to address them.

    The last executive had two policies that i though worthwhile, one he abandoned. 1. criminal justice 2. re-configuring our foreign policy in the ME. He was correct. But he caved in to the interventionists and of course that group waiting in the wings for the Presidency of Sec Clinton.

    My views on Pres Trump are known on this site.

    I do have some perspectives on Pres Johnson and Pres Kennedy that I withheld — though the war in Vietnam was started by the North Vietnamese.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  78. @blackball

    I think you missed the point. and that was that Mr Trump Jr managed to effectively leverage his debt to his advantage and no doubt that of the banking establishment.

    • Replies: @blackball
    , @blackball
  79. @Voltara

    I was not pinpointing any particular leader —-

    And I suspect that most people in leadership feel entitled to loyalty. What “loyalty” in a political context can be tricky — granted.

  80. blackball [AKA "debthastoberepaid"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    How “effective” exactly?

    I think you “missed” that little donny has a history of missing his debt repayments – even with father fred trying to bail him out.

    In the early ’90′s, donny’s bankers formed a creditors’ committee to liquidate his assets in an orderly fashion because he had gone kaput and couldn’t repay his debts.

    Were you around back then – or still learning English?

  81. blackball [AKA "BSisbs"] says:
    @Skeptikal

    Which “journalists” from which “class” at which “Ivy League” college?

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  82. blackball [AKA "candydates"] says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re right. Bella Abzug, Ed Koch?

    Frightening – if only to behold.

  83. He is still doing business and banks continue to underwrite his projects.

    • Replies: @blackball
  84. blackball [AKA "harvardbusinessschool"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “leverage his debt”???

    Are u stupid or merely a dimwit?

    Debt, by definition, IS leverage. You “leverage” equity – not debt.

    Honestly, you need to work on your language and logic skills.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  85. @EliteCommInc.

    I am soooooooooooo sorry for you! You are one of those fidelis who believes everything government dishes out for you. I could tell you to wake up but that would be in wane. You are so naive.
    What do you think? Why has Government by the people for the people two sets of information.
    One declassified for the suckers. And one classified for inside circle.
    You are not even capable to realize how belittled you are by your government.
    Like three years old child when parents do not want to discuss with him/her about sex.
    Naturally you are a hardcore if you still believe the government version of 9/11.

  86. blackball [AKA "mymyhello"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I think you’ve confused trump with another daddy’s boy – jared.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  87. @blackball

    i am concerned that you apparently don’t understand the meaning of the term leverage. One can leverage equity but as demonstrated in the last economic decline — debt is a powerful means of leverage.

    I don’t make the rules regarding financial transactions and. And I think the government has created an entirely different set of standards for with money and the rest. The argument is very simple,

    allowing a business to fail will incur even greater loss than continued financing, and restructuring

    That is leverage. I am not sure one needs to attend business school to grasp the meaning of the term leverage or how it is applied in large scale and sometimes in small scale financial arenas.

    Furthermore, those rules are available to anyone, though the consequences for most of us are heavier.

    __________________________

    Those of you who despise president Trump , don’t like him, want to prosecute him, presented many of these contends during the campaign — they have been addressed.

    ____________________

    Laugh.

    You might want to look up the definition of stupid and dimwit.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  88. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    i have no idea what it is you are talking about. Apparently there is some discrepancy you think ought to be obvious to me.

    I have plenty of questions/concerning the events of 9/11. I remain ever intrigued by the nine year old elementary school boy who a week before 9/11 informed his that those two buildings would no longer be there. But thus far the empty spaces between the lines of what we know, what we think we know are very intriguing. However, they are not enough to make the conspiracy case that many would like. This subject remains one of debate. An while I have my concerns about the official story — that is a most plausible version. I remain open to hearing new evidence and new arguments.

    Laugh.

    The government of the US and its leadership are forever full of surprises regarding the double standards, and various decisions they make. You don’t end as we have in Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and elsewhere based on the presented information and not have engaged in some very dodgy arguments.

    Two sets of books, you might want to look at budget accounting practices, the sleight of hand would make Mr Rick Jay Proud, but hardly surprised.

    Well, that would be correct, declassified is information for the gen pub and declassified is for those with certain eyes only status. That is by definition insiders to outsider information access. I am a conservative, that means by view, I hold government and it agents and agencies with suspicion.

  89. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    correction: I have plenty of questions/concerning the events of 9/11. I remain ever intrigued by the nine year old elementary school boy who a week before 9/11 informed his teacher that those two buildings would no longer be there.

  90. @blackball

    I think the biographical record is no secret of the nature of those relationships between father and son.

    • Replies: @blackball
  91. Skeptikal says:
    @blackball

    Don’t be silly.
    If I were going to gossip in that way I would have included this info from the get-go.
    You can disbelieve me if you want, but naming names is not my game here.
    These are friends and classmates.
    Nevertheless I am shocked and disappointed in them, as there are truly good minds there that have done great work. Also, that there is no pushback on their attitudes from others in the class (on the list).
    It is sign of the depth and toxicity of the Hillary/Trump Derangement syndrome that it seems to neutralize rational thinking about any related issue. And of the syndrome’s power as a source of peer pressure.

    • Replies: @blackball
  92. blackball [AKA "trollbutnothereintheUSA"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Let me get this straight: you think “the biographical record is no secret nature…”???????

    Is that how they say it over on Midland Parkway in Queens (where drumpf was raised) or Livingston, New Jersey (home for whingeing jared)?

    Honestly, you need to take a break from your internet troll cubicle and get a cup of coffee – go see the world a bit.

    Or, at least understand the “world” here in America.

    Your stilted prose becomes more foreign with every post.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  93. blackball says:
    @Skeptikal

    Brandeis?

    Dreary non-Ivies strike (themselves) yet again…….

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  94. Skeptikal says:
    @blackball

    Someone has a complex, and it ‘s not me.
    Brandeis I guess you heard of somewhere.
    But it is not an Ivy.

  95. blackball [AKA "notfromnewhaven"] says:

    Ah, fact.

    Finally!

  96. @EliteCommInc.

    I suppose one can make sense of your idea of leveraging debt, rather than just the ordinary usage which is, as has been pointed out, leveraging of equity. Are you perhaps referring to leverage by vulture funds which borrow money to buy distressed debt?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  97. @blackball

    In my view, the record of the family participation as to investments,partnerships, etc.

    And Mr. Trumps father was both an investor and business partner.

    I would not be surprised if the president had a similar relationship with his son in law.

  98. @Wizard of Oz

    I used the term correctly to describe what occurs on a regular basis among similarly situated financial structures and systems.

    • Replies: @blackball
  99. I even thought there might be room if one only used a financial reference (though even here I was confident that I had not misused the term) — as it turns out

    in either case, I used the term correctly.

  100. blackball [AKA "heresatroll"] says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    So, you’re going to set out and explain to us the various development projects of Fred drumpf and Charlie kosher (I mean kushner)?

    Or merely, “among similarly situated financial structures and systems”?

    Foreign troll, do be quiet…….

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  101. What else is new? The Guardian publishes so many lies lately that it’s hard to find a word of truth in that rag (except maybe page numbers in print edition). They lie so much that they had to essentially dispense with the comments section (older people would remember CiF), lest the commenters point their lies out. As to Luke Harding, he is not only a liar, but also a plagiarist (https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/a0xi25/mark_ames_guardian_hack_luke_harding_was_caught/).

    That’s the reason the Guardian keeps him: the most obedient hacks and puppets of any kind are the ones over whose head you hold something serious. That’s why the US always chooses the most odious scum, like Saakashvili in Georgia or Poroshenko in Ukraine.

  102. @blackball

    I think the issue clear.

    While one might contend that there are legitimate reasons to reform the financial mechanisms/ structures and practices in place, advantaged by the wealthiest citizens, that is another issue. As they are legal and in common use — well, there you have it — there are not illegal.

    I am not sure what hay can be made of family businesses that actually employ, invest and partner with family members. That is neither unique nor in any manner immoral.

  103. Yes, me too “think the issue clear”.

    Learn English or be silent.

  104. @foreigntongueswag

    I am writing in english and

    No, As long as I am not barred from the sight. I will comment as I see fit. And should not approve, you could choose to not respond. But I guess the personal is much easier than wrestling with content — minus the excuse of someone’s not writing to your liking.

  105. You’re not having any doubts – are you?

  106. Is that the “sight” or the “SITE” (as in website)?

    This is far too easy……..

  107. @myfirstlanguage

    Even I admit that was good for a laugh.

    It’s nice to have grammatical minders.

    appreciate it.

  108. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Let’s hear it from the omniscient bookworm: just a little evidence, preferably proof, that the BBC is controlled by Jews.

  109. @foreigntongueswag

    You have the air of the pedants that Fowler skewered. “I think the issue clear” is quite acceptable for clarity and as idiomatic English. Indeed, not bad at all for someone for whom English is not his first language.

    In sum, I think the matter closed.

    A pity he isn’t so clear about financial leverage ;-)

    • Replies: @mytime
  110. mytime says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Now listen you, you’d better “leverage your debts” – or else…….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  111. @myfirstlanguage

    Aha, now I get it (even thought I’m not a dim foreigner)!

    This web-”site” is a “sight” for sore eyes…

  112. Che Guava says:

    Don’t be so pessimistic, I have no idea of Manafort, he seems like a stupid peson, Assange is two degrees of separation from my eight-bit days, and both playing around with bigger systems when possible, but not to do bad things, although arseholes were already there to do credit-card and bank fraud at the time. I can assure you that Assange was opposing such games. Moi aussi, to walk across the wires was fun, but only to look.

    However, the hacker who enjoys illicit entry to systems for fun, is very different from the government and crime-sponsored siphon of money (with the Israelis and their dual-citizen pals as the main ones a short time later).

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  113. @Che Guava

    I don’t think that Manafort is stupid. He is just a consummate thief and fraudster, as American as an apple pie. The fact that he worked in Ukraine (for another thief and fraudster, Yanuk) and never worked in Russia is 100% consistent with both points above.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  114. @mytime

    Only if I were a vulture fund :-)

    • Replies: @investwithleverage
  115. so.

    After two days of complaining (whining as a distraction) about grammar. What is clear that those complaining don’t understand the term leverage.

    They don’t understand leverage in the general definition or do they have a working knowledge of leverage as an economic instrument or process.

    But they can note grammatical or semantic mistakes in the English language. And there assumptions about one who might err regarding writing is that of soothsayer using a chrystal ball – and just as obtuse. No doubt leaders among men.

    .

    • Replies: @a4a
  116. @Wizard of Oz

    Trump casino bonds or Tsarist railway debentures?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  117. a4a says:
    @EliteComminc.

    It’ a “crystal” ball and I daresay it makes you zillions in the financial markets.

    Nonetheless, it might be useful to invest a few pennies of that fortune in a dictionary.

  118. Che Guava says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    To use ‘leverage’ as a verb is to participitate in one among many Jew.S.A. crimes against your language.

  119. Miggle says:

    I’ve been commenting on a side issue to a different article, but I’ve had a terrible thought on the fate of Julian Assange. It’s very frightening.

    The other thread drove me to read about the Council of Constance, held at Stadt Konstanz, today in Germany close to the Swiss border. This “council” of bishops and popes took place apparently between 1414 and 1418. A whistle-blower from Prague in Bohemia, one Jan Hus, was persuaded to go there having been given a guarantee of personal safety by the Emperor of the “Holy Roman Empire”, safety there and back and while there.

    Accepted belief, which it was more than your life was worth to doubt, was that the Christian Church consisted of the Pope, the Cardinals, and the lower hierarchy. Hus had written, leaked a document (his own), and also taught in a church in Prague, asserting that that was bullshit, that the Church consisted of all followers of Jesus, a man who had also been executed for heresy, what was intended for Hus, but now lived in the sky. And that the Church had no other head than that Jesus.

    So Hus was arrested notwithstanding the guarantees of safety, because when the accusation of heresy was made the Emperor’s guarantee was automatically rendered null and void. There could be no protection for a suspected heretic because that would make the protector a heretic. So Hus was imprisoned in solitary confinement under terrible conditions and became very sick.

    Because of his sad state others offered him pro-bono legal representation, but it was quickly hammered home to them that to defend a suspected heretic made you a heretic, deserving of death. So he had to do his best alone before three judges.

    (One, amazingly, was the Patriarch of Constantinople, centuries after the Great Schism! What would The Saker say about that?)

    Of course he was found guilty, as Assange will be. But, also of course, the Church didn’t execute him, it “handed him over to the civil authorities.”

    But if anyone in the civil administration had had sympathy for him, allowed him to live too long, that person would also have become a heretic deserving of death. The civil administration had to execute Hus, or else had to die themselves.

    All that medieval empire stuff seems to me terribly like the present American Empire, with its deeply corrupt, politicized court system, and its deeply corrupt system of government, concerned with nothing but the money to be made by destroying countries the world over, and its revolving door, and the fact that only a millionaire or a person financed by a billionaire can win at a Congressional or Presidential election.

    I fear greatly for the fate of Julian Hus Assange. Obviously, if Cardinal Theresa May doesn’t hand him over, she will die. That the same thing would happen to the President of Ecuador has already been made very plain to him.

  120. letters says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Can you spare that dictionary of yours for a few ticks and lend it to the President?

    He promises to return it, but will leave you his “smocking” gun as security.

    (don’t “l-u-agh” now)

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