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Question 1– Your views on the Coronavirus and Covid vaccine are very different than those of Unz Review writers, like Paul Craig Roberts, CJ Hopkins, Israel Shamir and myself. In your estimation, what are the main areas of disagreement and why do you think your analysis is more probable than theirs?

Ron Unz– I’d also put Gilad Atzmon in your group, as well as a few additional contributors.

I think the biggest area of early disagreement was regarding whether the Covid virus was about as dangerous as the mainstream media was making it out to be. I thought it probably was, while an overwhelming majority of the anti-establishment writers and commenters on this webzine and elsewhere disagreed, in some cases possibly fueled by the early public statements of President Trump and Fox News people taking that same position.

Although I can’t be sure, here’s my suspicion about why some of this misinformation took such strong hold. Soon after the Covid outbreak in Wuhan was first revealed to the world, various anti-China groups and websites began producing and promoting propaganda-videos claiming that Chinese society was collapsing from this deadly disease. Some of these hugely popular videos showed Chinese people supposedly dropping dead while walking in the streets, and sometimes suggested that Covid was a deadly Chinese bioweapon that had somehow escaped from one of their weapons labs and would wipe out much of China’s population. Also Covid was closely related to SARS, which had had a 10% to 15% fatality rate. So early on I think there were reasonably widespread rumors going around on social media that Covid had a very high fatality rate, perhaps in the 5% or 10% range, and that it might devastate the human race, naturally leading to a great deal of fear-mongering and panic.

Obviously, those numbers turned out to be completely wrong, and as a consequence many of the people who had been bombarded with such extreme nonsense reacted against it, arguing that Covid wasn’t really so very dangerous at all, which is entirely true, at least relative to those early, inflated figures. But perhaps understandably, they then went overboard in the other direction, starting to argue that the disease wasn’t dangerous at all, possibly as a form of wishful thinking.

I don’t much use social media and had ignored all those anti-China propaganda videos, instead getting my information from the NYT, the WSJ, and other mainstream news outlets. And most of these had always suggested that Covid seemed to have a fatality rate somewhere in the range of 0.5% to 1%, but containing an extremely sharp age-skew, with people over 60 being more than 100x as vulnerable as those under 40. And these numbers seem to have held up reasonably well over time.

Obviously, a disease that usually has a survival rate better than 99% doesn’t mean the end of the world, and lots of commenters have correctly pointed this out. But it’s still a very serious illness, and if it had completely swept through America’s population of 330 million would have produced at least a couple of million deaths, and probably more than that if the critical cases overwhelmed the hospitals and caused a breakdown in the entire health care system as nearly happened in New York City very early in the epidemic.

For the first month or two, our American government had almost totally ignored the Covid problem, apparently just hoping that the virus wouldn’t spread here, but when it did, they didn’t really know what to do. The reports out of Northern Italy were horrifying and showed the huge number of deaths that could be produced by a major outbreak. Since Covid was extremely contagious and there seemed to be no effective treatments, traditional public health measures were useless. China had very quickly and effectively stamped out the disease with minimal fatalities using an unprecedented series of local and national lockdowns, so America and most Western governments decided to try the same thing, but they did so in a very haphazard and disorganized way, that wasn’t very effective. Meanwhile, the lockdowns, mandatory masking, and social distancing were tremendously disruptive and unpopular, especially among libertarians and right-wingers, leading to a huge political backlash.

Public health became a bitter ideological issue, which didn’t help with its implementation. Once people stop believing the media, they turn to their own favored sources, which can become echo-chambers based upon wishful thinking. People started claiming that Covid wasn’t really dangerous at all and that very few people were dying from it, which is entirely incorrect but became widely popular in certain circles. There’s a certain amount of ambiguity in classifying cause of death, leading people to argue that the Covid fatality figures were vastly inflated, and they sometimes misunderstood government statistics. I’ll quote a sobering comment I’ve repeated on a number of occasions:

But here’s a listing of TOTAL American deaths from all causes over the last few years, taken directly from the CDC website:

2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,854,838
2020: 3,384,426

You’ll notice that the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000.

If I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that America had been struck by a dangerous disease epidemic that year.

It’s obviously just a matter of personal opinion whether an extra half-million deaths in 2020 is a big number or a small number…

So America had more than 500,000 “excess deaths” during 2020, and additional tens or hundreds of thousands so far during 2021. Our official Covid death toll is now well over 600,000 but the experts in public health statistics at the University of Washington argue that nearly a million Americans have already died of Covid. Those are enormous numbers, much larger than the combined death toll of all our foreign wars, and they came despite the unprecedented public health measures the government (poorly) implemented over the last year to try to control the spread of the disease. It’s easy to imagine that millions of Americans might have died if the disease had spread in completely unchecked fashion.

As far as I can tell, nearly all Western countries did a very poor job of controlling the Covid outbreak, while East Asian nations like China, Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore, as well as Australia and New Zealand, did a much better job.

I come from a scientific background and I prefer to believe in reality. A disease that has already killed so many hundreds of thousands of Americans seems like a very serious problem to me.

 

Question 2– You say: “I come from a scientific background and I prefer to believe in reality.” That’s fine, but where exactly is the scientific evidence that supports lockdowns as a way to contain a highly-contagious virus like Covid-19?

I would argue that there isn’t any. Lockdown restrictions were unprecedented, capricious, desperate and thoroughly unscientific. Where are the studies, the experiments, and the clinical trials that proved that they would work?

Again, there are none.

Why were people instructed to stand 6 feet apart rather than 4 feet or 10 feet?

It’s ridiculous, and it’s always been ridiculous.

What public health goal was achieved by closing restaurants, churches, schools and businesses when grocery stores, hardware stores and big box stores stayed open? What was gained by forcing people to stay at home when–at best– the spread of the virus was only temporarily delayed?

And what about masks? How different was the outcome in places like Sweden (which never required masks) compared to the hardliner countries in Europe that strictly enforced mask mandates?

Please, explain to me how the “science” supports the restrictions that were put in place in the last year (if that is your view) and, also, address the issue of whether the Governors usurped powers that are not provided under their state constitutions?

Ron Unz— I’d already said that the public health control measures in America and most Western countries were implemented “in a very haphazard and disorganized way, that wasn’t very effective.” That certainly included the lockdowns, which massively disrupted our economy and society, but didn’t really have a huge impact on the ultimate spread of the disease.

For example, I’d initially been impressed by the evidence that the early and strong lockdowns in my own state of California had resulted in a per capita death rate just a fraction of that in states like Florida and Texas, that didn’t follow such a policy. But as the months went by and people began to ignore what had originally been promised as being very short-term restrictions, California gradually caught up with those other states, so that the ultimate results didn’t really seem all that different.

On a more rigorous level in March 2021, Philippe Lemoine published an extremely detailed 25,000 word quantitative study, showing that lockdowns hadn’t really made much difference either in Europe or America, which he summarized in a WSJ column. I found his analysis very persuasive, said so at the time, and quickly highlighted it on our website. I was very glad to reconsider my position once solid research came out showing that it was mistaken.

But on the other hand, I still think that the evidence from China clearly proves that lockdowns can work, if implemented properly. China used extremely severe lockdowns with almost no exceptions, that supposedly confined around 700 million people to their homes. But since the lockdowns were so severe, they managed to almost completely stamp out the virus, and after a few weeks, Chinese life went back to being almost normal, with requirements even for masking and social distancing being soon eliminated in most of the country. So they struck very hard for a few weeks, solved the problem, and then removed almost all the restrictions.

By contrast, America adopted half-hearted lockdowns, and since they weren’t really effective at stamping out the virus, the government decided they had to be kept in place for many months and even a year or more despite the early promises that they’d be lifted after a few weeks. Obviously, it’s much easier to get people to follow stringent public health policies for a very short period of time than try to make these almost semi-permanent. So as a result, our economy and society has been enormously disrupted compared to that of China and we also suffered something like 500x or more the per capita death rate.

Most of the evidence suggests that America’s overall Covid fatality rate has been somewhere in the range of 0.5% to 1%, and by various estimates we’ve had between 600,000 and a million Covid deaths. So combining these two figures, we’ve probably had between 60 million and 200 million infections, probably towards the upper end of that range. This implies that that perhaps half or more of all Americans have been infected, suggesting how poorly our public health measures actually worked. But on the other hand, those infections were at least spread out over most of a year, preventing the sudden collapse of local health care systems, which might have substantially increased the total death rate. So they probably did do some good, though much less than had originally been promised when they were implemented.

However, I do think it’s unfair to be too harsh on the specific details of some of the public health measures adopted such as social distancing or masking. Remember, our government health authorities were suddenly faced with an entirely new and dangerous disease, having completely unknown properties. The exact effectiveness of masking and the right separations for social distancing couldn’t be known at the time, and I think even more than a year later are still hotly disputed in some of the articles I’ve read. Because of the earlier SARS epidemic, East Asian countries had gotten used to masking, and since they seemed to be doing such an effective job of controlling the Covid epidemic, we decided to do the same thing, which may or may not have helped all that much.

I think the biggest problem was that the federal government under Trump initially ignored the entire epidemic, or handled it in a totally incompetent manner. For example, instead of using the Covid-detection kit that had been very quickly developed by Germany, we decided to produce our own, and the CDC completely botched the job, so that the initial kits were defective and weeks went by before we could even tell if or where Covid was spreading around the country. Also, Trump and his supporters on Fox News completely downplayed the virus and said it wouldn’t spread here or might even just “magically” disappear by itself. So the government lost a month or two in taking early measures, which might really have made a major difference.

Since the federal government was completely ignoring the problem, this forced some of the individual states or localities to take action, which I think was entirely necessary and justified, even if very poorly implemented in many respects.

And although many critics of our policies pointed to Sweden as a shining example, the damage to its economy was pretty comparable to that of neighboring countries while its death rate was much higher, so it’s not at all clear to me that the Swedish model was successful.

 

Question 3– I don’t find the Chinese example (of severe lockdowns) persuasive at all. After a year and a half, China still reports just 4,636 fatalities. Do you find that credible? I don’t. Either China is fiddling the data, the majority of the population is already immune due to prior infection from perhaps SARS (which is supposedly 85% similar to Covid-19) or something else is going on that we don’t know about. In any event, I think it is premature to draw conclusions about the efficacy of lockdowns based on information from China.

As for Sweden, in the “deaths per million” category, Sweden finished 34th out of 155 countries listed at Statistica. This is neither good nor bad, just middle-of-the-pack. Naturally, if we knew what we knew now regarding early treatment, medications, anti-inflammatories and therapies, the death toll would have been considerably lower. But that is true everywhere. The idea of judging political leaders based on the number of people who die during a pandemic is ludicrous. Should we also judge them based on how many people are obese or have comorbidities, after all, those are the people who were most likely to die? How is the government responsible for that?

Sweden’s real triumph cannot be measured strictly in terms of the number of fatalities that appear in the data, but in its resolve to preserve the fundamental freedoms of its people in the face of relentless media criticism and while authoritarian leaders everywhere imposed harsh restrictions on their people without ever consulting their respective legislatures, congresses or parliaments. Sweden avoided that, and should be applauded for doing so.

I also disagree that “the federal government under Trump initially ignored the entire epidemic, or handled it in a totally incompetent manner.” It wasn’t Trump who shunted infected patients into elderly care facilities where they wound up killing thousands of older and infirm men and women. That was the handiwork of the mainly Democrat autocrats like Cuomo and Whitmer. Besides, the expectations of Trump were low to begin with based on the fact that he was only elected as an alternative to the widely-reviled establishment candidate, Hillary Clinton. Whatever mistakes Trump may have made during the pandemic, it is clear by the historic number of votes he got in the 2020 presidential election, that a clear majority of Americans still believe he is preferable to our current “imposter” president who cheated his way into the Oval Office.

So I will ask you again: Do you think the Governors usurped powers that are not provided to them under their state constitutions?

Ron Unz– Regarding China, I strongly disagree. China used extremely stringent public health measures to totally eradicate the virus within just a few weeks, and once the virus was gone, no one could pass it on to anyone else. Despite a great deal of smoke by anti-China propagandists, there’s really not the slightest evidence that the Chinese statistics are seriously wrong. After all, within a couple of months the Chinese reopened their economy, all their factories were going again, masking requirements were lifted, and they haven’t bothered rushing ahead with mass vaccinations since the virus is no longer a local threat. Every now and then, there have been sudden tiny outbreaks, caused by infected visitors or other factors, and the Chinese government has quickly stamped them out just as effectively as they did the original outbreak. All the circumstantial evidence supports the Chinese government claims.

Officially, China only had 4,600 deaths and 93,000 infections, roughly 1/500th the per capita rate in America. Even if we suppose that the government is just lying and the true total was 5x greater, but that still means the rate was 1/100th what we had in the US, which doesn’t really change the argument. America probably had 100-150 million Covid infections, and it’s simply impossible that China had even a few million or their factories, businesses, and daily lives wouldn’t have been back to normal for well over a year now, with people not even bothering to wear masks. So America probably had 500x the per capita deaths while the disruption to the daily lives of ordinary Americans was probably 10x or 20x greater, giving us the worst of both possible worlds.

No masks, no social distancing for these partygoers at a Wuhan water park in August 2020
No masks, no social distancing for these partygoers at a Wuhan water park in August 2020
Thousands unmasked and packed together at a Wuhan music festival in August 2020
Thousands unmasked and packed together at a Wuhan music festival in August 2020

And China’s results aren’t so totally extraordinary, since most of the other East Asian countries also did extremely well, including Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, and South Korea, as well as Australia and New Zealand. I doubt all those different governments are lying. All these figures are easily available on the Internet:

The Swedish case has been greatly disputed, but according to the WorldMeters website its per capita Covid death rate is only slightly below that of the US, Britain, France, Spain, and Italy, which really isn’t very good. Meanwhile, other neighboring Scandinavian countries like Finland, Norway, and Denmark did 3x to 10x better, while China did 400x to 500x better. As I recall, after a few months the Swedish official who had been promoting their unorthodox approach, admitted it didn’t work very well, and switched over to a softer version of the same methods followed in most Western countries (which obviously also didn’t work very well). Sweden’s economy was hurt about as much as the countries that pursued full lockdowns, so it’s not clear how much they really gained. However, I’ll have to admit I haven’t closely followed Sweden, and am just relying upon these official summary statistics.

The bottom line is that China seems to have done more than 400x better than Sweden in per capita deaths and unlike Sweden the lives of the Chinese people returned to normal very quickly, so I think by any standards China did much, much better.

As for the US, I’d agree that lots of local governments did a bad job, including Cuomo in New York. Also, I think some of the mayors like De Blasio in NYC early on denounced restrictions on public celebrations and other gatherings and therefore greatly helped to spread the virus. But Trump was the president, and I think he deserves the most blame, especially for publicly underplaying the early threat of the virus. His CDC botched the production of a testing kit, he made no effort to determine whether the virus was invisibly spreading, and at one point he publicly declared that it would probably disappear by itself like magic. Only the devastating outbreak in his own NYC finally convinced him to take it seriously, and by then it was almost too late. Also, his ridiculous behavior had led most of his allies on FoxNews to take a very similar position for many weeks, claiming the Covid wasn’t any sort of national threat, with some of them even arguing that it wasn’t any more dangerous than the regular flu. This nonsense got into the heads of many of his ignorant and gullible supporters, certainly playing a major role in the many hundreds of thousands of American deaths that resulted.

Regarding the 2020 election, Biden was a terrible candidate and many of the policies he and his supporters advocated were dreadful, thereby almost allowing Trump to win reelection. My feeling is that there was an absolutely massive anti-Democrat/anti-Biden vote and also an absolutely massive anti-Trump vote, but relatively few people were strong supporters of either candidate. That’s pretty similar to what had happened in 2016 when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

 

Question 4– Let’s move on to vaccines, although I should note that you did not answer my question. I didn’t ask whether you think Cuomo and the rest did a ‘good or bad job’, but whether you thought the “Governors usurped powers that are not provided to them under their state constitutions?” For many of us, this is a critical issue as it directly impacts the personal freedom of every American. For example, we do not confer on our elected representatives the authority to close churches. We don’t give them that power. That may seem like a radical idea in relation to a public health emergency, but now that those powers have been so criminally abused (by Cuomo and the rest) we can see the wisdom of the founders in explicitly stating that the government may NOT “prohibit the free exercise” of religion or other constitutionally protected activities. Simply put, I wanted you to state for the record whether you think a public health crisis allows the government to establish a de facto dictatorship where censorship, coercion, threats, house arrest and (perhaps) even forced vaccination can all be justified?

Ron Unz– Sorry for the omission. I’m not a constitutional lawyer and I really hadn’t been closely following the details of the particular state actions that Cuomo and some other governors had taken to combat the spread of Covid during the early months of 2020. It’s perfectly possible that the emergency actions they took exceeded what their state constitutions allowed—I really don’t know. But as I recall, deaths had reached 1,000 per day in NY, with reasonable fears that they would continue to grow exponentially and the entire health care system would collapse, with gigantic loss of life. If that isn’t a legitimate “emergency” I don’t know what is. By contrast, half the times that presidents or governors proclaim “emergencies” and issue executive orders of dubious legality it’s because some committee of the legislature is refusing to pass their annual budget on time or something.

So my own view is that it’s much more reasonable to blame Cuomo for the incompetent actions he allegedly took that may have cost many thousands of lives rather than to blame him for taking emergency actions during a time of huge crisis. Similarly, Trump can be blamed for his lackadaisical and incompetent early response to the Covid epidemic rather than for later setting aside various regulations to allow the rapid procurement of necessary medical supplies and the “warp speed” development of vaccines.

I tend not to be overly focused on constitutional or ideological questions. One way of looking at it is that America has certainly suffered far more Covid deaths during a twelve-month period than American servicemen died during the four years of World War II, perhaps even more than twice as many, and virtually none of those latter casualties were on the civilian home front. During time of war, it’s pretty typical for the government to suspend various freedoms, and if we consider the Covid epidemic in that light, the behavior of the government starts to seem less unreasonable. The main problem that arises is if the governmental leaders seem to be dishonest or incompetent rather than sincerely and effectively working for the national good, and there are certainly plausible grounds for that suspicion in our own situation. But temporarily shutting down all large public events that could so easily spread the virus seems a very reasonable decision to me, including church services and sporting events. It’s a case-by-case issue in my mind.

As for the vaccines, one major problem that’s now been discovered is that they don’t seem very effective in preventing vaccinated people from infecting others, so there doesn’t seem much reason for the government to forcibly require vaccinations. Relative to vaccinated people, the unvaccinated don’t harm others as much as themselves. Also, the vaccines don’t appear to be as effective as had originally been hoped, and although they seem to greatly reduce the severity of a Covid infection, vaccinated people are still getting sick and sometimes even dying from the illness.

Since Trump used emergency orders to suspend all the normal regulations regarding development and testing and had the vaccines produced at “warp speed,” I tend to agree with the anti-vaxxers that the vaccines are probably far, far more dangerous than the usual ones we get every year. For example, I’ve seen claims floating around that more than 6,000 Americans have probably already died from negative vaccine reactions, which is gigantic compared to normal vaccines. But over 160 million Americans have already been fully vaccinated, so that’s a possible death rate of 6,000/160 million or less than 0.004%. By comparison, Covid itself has a death rate of over 0.5%, so taking the vaccine is more than 100x safer than getting Covid, and is almost certainly the smart thing to do, at least for people over 40 or with health problems.

I don’t claim to know anything about vaccines, any more than I know anything about car engines, so I tend to leave those specialized topics to the experts who do. For vaccines, I’m sure medical doctors know the relative risks far better than other people. The AMA has 240,000 members and is America’s main professional association for doctors, and after surveying a sample, they claimed that 96% of physicians had already been fully vaccinated by early June, suggesting that the total is probably now more like 98% or 99%. If almost all the doctors in America have decided to get vaccinated, that’s good enough for me.

Consider the situation in India as an alternative. Last year, India’s incompetent leader had boastfully declared that his country had beaten Covid and began holding huge political rallies while not making any serious efforts to vaccinate his population, so that as of a couple of months ago only about 3% of Indians had been vaccinated. India’s population is much younger and thinner than America’s, and hence much less vulnerable to Covid, but the difference wasn’t enough, and they’ve begun suffering the world’s worst outbreak. The government has been concealing the true figures, but highly-reputable outside analysts had used several different methods to estimate the Covid casualties, and these probably already total around 4 million deaths, plus or minus a million. Since the vaccines are certainly dangerous, if India had vaccinated most of its population I’m sure that many tens of thousands would have died from vaccine side-effects, but tens of thousands of deaths is much better than millions.

I don’t know the details of India’s constitutional system and whether or not its prime minister has been exceeding his legal authority on various grounds. But it does seem like his decisions have already caused the deaths of around 4 million Indians, which seems like a bigger issue to me. If Trump had used emergency decrees to violate various laws but by doing so had reduced our Covid death total by 90%, he would have done the right thing in my mind.

 

Question 5– Let’s stick with your answer to the previous question for a minute. I didn’t ask whether you thought Cuomo and the rest did a ‘good or bad job’, but whether you thought “Governors usurped powers that are not provided to them under their state constitutions?” You don’t need to be a “constitutional lawyer” to know that your personal freedom is being trampled-on wholesale by power-mad oligarchs. All you have to do is watch what they do.

When is it ever acceptable for a governor– acting without the explicit support of his state legislature– to unilaterally close down privately-owned businesses, schools, restaurants and churches?

Never, it’s never acceptable, which is why at least 15 states have moved to curtail the emergency powers of the governors despite the fact that the media has chosen to entirely ignore the story. In one case, (Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania) defiantly maintained that he has the right to ignore the new restrictions and continue to do whatever the hell he wants. A similar situation arose in Michigan when a 76-year-old Emergency Powers Act was repealed in reaction to Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s impulsive and tyrannical edicts.

After the Republican-led legislature had decided they’d “had enough” and short-circuited Whitmer’s power-grab, defenders of Whitmer released a brazen statement saying the new restrictions were

“designed to hamper the abilities of those in government to act quickly and decisively during public health emergencies… House Republicans voted to eradicate an important tool for elected leaders trying to save lives and stop the spread of deadly, infectious diseases like COVID-19.”

In short, Whitmer is fighting to preserve the autocratic powers she seized at the height of the pandemic. That, of course, is how “power corrupts.”

Can you see what a dangerous precedent we have set by allowing these madmen to act unilaterally and outside the law? You say: “If Trump had used emergency decrees to violate various laws but by doing so had reduced our Covid death total by 90%, he would have done the right thing in my mind.”

From a common sense point of view, that seems like a reasonable trade-off, but I think we are seeing in real-time what a terrible mistake it is. What you are saying is: ‘if breaking the law produces a positive outcome, then– by all means– break the law.’ Okay, but how is that working out so far? People have been ordered to close their businesses, stay at home and wear masks in public. But that’s just Phase 1, isn’t it; because in France and Israel people are now required to produce a vaccine passport to get into restaurants, bars, sporting venues or grocery stores. In Australia, police are going from home to home to make sure people aren’t visiting their neighbors or leaving the premises. And in the Philippines, the president has just announced that unvaccinated people who go into public places will be swiftly escorted back to their homes by the police. My point is that the restrictions are expanding and intensifying, the attack on our Constitutional form of government is clearly visible, and the threat to freedom is real. Do you see the monster we have created by allowing our leaders to act unilaterally and outside the law or do you think I am just overreacting to the unavoidable excesses of an unprecedented crisis?

Ron Unz– Actually, I think this question gets to the heart of many other Covid controversies.

According to the public health experts at the time it was reasonably believed that if the government hadn’t taken those sorts of legal measures to temporarily close down restaurants, sporting events, churches, and most other public gatherings and impose a general lockdown, the virus would have rapidly spread and infected most of the population and within a few months probably killed roughly a couple of million Americans. Moreover, the much larger of victims requiring hospitalization would have probably caused the total collapse of local health care systems, probably multiplying the fatalities by another factor of two or three. So they were looking at something like five million or more dead.

Those were the widespread estimates by health experts at the time, and I’ve never seen any reason to doubt that their projections were reasonable and probably were at least approximately correct.

Obviously, the entire population had its personal and professional lives severely disrupted by those widespread lockdowns, and so many of them reacted psychologically by convincing themselves the measures weren’t necessary. Charlatans were naturally very eager to take advantage of the situation on the Internet, as well as tiny minorities of experts who promoted those same ideas. Some of these people claimed that the virus didn’t exist or wasn’t any worse than the regular flu, and the whole thing was merely a government hoax. Others claimed that various unorthodox medical treatments so enormously reduced the danger of Covid infection as to render it almost harmless. Still others claimed that a large fraction of the American population had already been infected and was therefore immune.

I’m not a medical expert and I never had all that much interest in these issues, but as far as I could tell, the government officials and the mainstream media were largely correct from day one and all these “alternative voices” were almost entirely incorrect.

For example, early on critics seized on the statements of John Ioannidis, a prominent Stanford epidemiologist, who claimed that the lockdowns were totally unnecessary and predicted that the national death toll wouldn’t go above 10,000. Several other Stanford professors, apparently associated with a business lobbying group, made similar sorts of claims, arguing that a huge fraction of Californians had already been infected so that the business lockdowns were totally unnecessary. In April 2020, federal government officials warned that if lockdowns and other strong measures weren’t undertaken, America might eventually see as many as 100,000 to 250,000 deaths, and those predictions were widely denounced and ridiculed by many commenters on my website, who claimed they were ridiculously exaggerated scaremongering. At the time, I said I expected the death toll to actually be much, much higher than 250,000, so they called me totally insane. When I later said we might easily see 500,000 Covid deaths by the end of 2020, once again I was denounced and ridiculed, but that’s exactly what happened. And the experts at the University of Washington have concluded that our total death toll is now around a million.

One of our bloggers, Anatoly Karlin, very early on predicted that “millions would die” worldwide, and he was also denounced and ridiculed, but that’s exactly what happened. Just a few days ago, The Economist did a very detailed analysis of “excess mortality” around the world, and estimated that probably something like 14 million people have already died.

One way of facing an extremely serious problem is just pretending that it doesn’t exist. Obviously, if the government were just lying and Covid was merely a hoax or “just the flu” or could very easily be treated with drugs, everyone could get back to their normal lives without many millions of Americans dying. But wishing doesn’t make it so.

Since President Trump and his administration had almost entirely ignored the problem for a month or two, and his CDC had botched the production of a testing kit, his diehard supporters naturally wished to minimize the national disaster he’d caused, so many of them convinced themselves or pretended that Covid epidemic wasn’t serious. Other individuals have excused this total governmental incompetence by claiming it was part of a deliberate plot by the secret elites at the World Economic Forum or somewhere to destroy our economy and society, but I’m very skeptical of that also.

We have all sorts of laws and regulations in place that make our lives much less convenient but probably prevent only a few thousand needless deaths each year. Under that standard, taking far stronger actions to prevent many, many millions of American deaths seems reasonably warranted.

Getting back to a point I made earlier, the Chinese government took very strong and decisive action early on, shut down their entire economy, confined 700 million Chinese to their homes, and totally stamped out the virus. So within a few months, life in China went back to being almost entirely normal for nearly the whole population, without lockdowns or other serious restrictions. They didn’t even need to rush as much with vaccinations since the virus itself had been almost totally eliminated.

Meanwhile, the American government ignored the problem, implemented haphazard lockdowns that weren’t effective, and generally did a poor job. So as many as a million Americans died, while our society is still extremely disrupted sixteen or seventeen months later. With the Delta virus, we might even have to soon return to lockdowns.

In some ways, I can’t entirely blame the various “Covid skeptics” or anti-vaxxers. After all, my entire American Pravda series documents in tremendous detail how our government, mainstream media, and academic worlds have been so extremely dishonest about so many important things for so many years. This is also obviously true about very many major racial and political issues.

Therefore, lots of people naturally come to believe that if our ruling elites and our media are so totally dishonest about so many other things, they’re probably lying about Covid and vaccines as well. That’s possible, but I’ve looked at the data, and I just don’t see it. As far as I can tell, the media has been pretty much correct about Covid and the vaccines from day one, while it’s been the agitated critics and skeptics who are seriously mistaken.

I’m not a public health expert, but just for the sake of argument, let’s suppose I’m correct in going along with those mainstream experts on Covid. They argued that if we hadn’t taken those strong public health measures to which you so strongly object, whatever their supposedly questionable legality, our health care system might have collapsed and maybe something like 5 million Americans would have died. It seems to me that 5 million extra American deaths over a few months would have been a pretty big deal, and the government was probably right in trying to avoid that, even if they did so in a rather incompetent manner.

Such numbers aren’t so totally ridiculous. For example, Indians are much younger and thinner than Americans and therefore much, much less vulnerable to Covid. But their government pretty much ignored the problem and current estimates are that around 4 million Indians have recently died from the virus, with the eventual death toll sure to be far higher.

Since critics don’t like the lockdowns, masking, or social distancing, they make legal/constitutional arguments against them. But most people would find those legalistic issues ridiculous if the alternative was so many millions of American deaths. So I think this forces these critics to convince themselves that the virus really isn’t as dangerous as it really seems to be.

Pretending a serious problem doesn’t exist isn’t a very good idea in the modern world, and America has been doing exactly that about many, many different types of problems over the last couple of decades.

One thing I’ve noticed is that there doesn’t seem to be almost any of this “Covid skepticism” in lots of other countries that have done a much better job. The European governments reacted to Covid just as badly as America did, and there seem to be plenty of protests there against vaccines and lockdowns. But the governments of China, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, and other East Asian countries did an excellent job, and I never hear any complaints. I think that’s because the people there mostly trust their governments as being competent and honest, at least compared with America’s government.

So overall, I think the situation is a lot like the old story about “crying wolf.” Our government and media have been lying about so many important things for so many years that you and many other people don’t even believe them even when they seem to be telling the truth. That’s one of the reasons our society is in such bad shape these days.

 

Last Question– You’ve made it quite plain that you think my views on the covid situation are largely “anti-vaxxer crackpottery”, so perhaps you would like state yours for the record?

I combed through the comments section of the recent article by Paul Craig Roberts titled “How the Covid “Pandemic” Was Orchestrated” and saw that you’d offered your opinion a number of times. Unfortunately, I was unable to figure out your basic case against the people like myself who believe the vaccine is a sinister and lethal attack on humanity. By the way, I do not back away from that claim at all, in fact, every day I become more convinced that my original assessment was correct.

Part of your argument seems to rest on simple math. In an earlier question you say:

“I tend to agree with the anti-vaxxers that the vaccines are probably far, far more dangerous than the usual ones we get every year. For example, I’ve seen claims floating around that more than 6,000 Americans have probably already died from negative vaccine reactions, which is gigantic compared to normal vaccines. But over 160 million Americans have already been fully vaccinated, so that’s a possible death rate of 6,000/160 million or less than 0.004%. By comparison, Covid itself has a death rate of over 0.5%, so taking the vaccine is more than 100x safer than getting Covid, and is almost certainly the smart thing to do, at least for people over 40 or with health problems.”

This is what people usually refer to as a “straw man”. The “anti-vaxxers” –as you call us– do not claim that people will drop dead after getting vaccinated. That is a misrepresentation of our position. What we are saying is that the vaccine is dangerous because it was rushed into use before critical animal trials were conducted, before Phase 3 clinical trials were concluded, and before biodistribution research was conducted. When there is no long-term data on a vaccine or any other drug for that matter, it is, by definition, dangerous. And that is our main objection to these experimental vaccines; they are dangerous.

As you know, a significant number of scientists, epidemiologists, virologists, and even the inventor of the mRNA vaccine itself, have been sharply critical of the Covid gene-therapy concoction (aka–‘The Vaccine’) and have stated in clear, unambiguous terms that the vaccination campaign should be terminated immediately, which has been my position from the very beginning. Oddly, when I read your recent posts, there appears to be more agreement on the basic issues than I had originally thought. For example, you say:

“As for the vaccines, one major problem that’s now been discovered is that they don’t seem very effective in preventing vaccinated people from infecting others (and) Also, the vaccines don’t appear to be as effective as had originally been hoped, and although they seem to greatly reduce the severity of a Covid infection, vaccinated people are still getting sick and sometimes even dying from the illness.”

Again, this has been our position from the onset when the drug companies first released their trial data. As a reminder, that data did NOT support the claim that the vaccines prevented Covid or stopped its transmission. Nor did the trials prove conclusively that the vaccines lesson the severity of symptoms or help to prevent hospitalization. That is another Fauci fabrication woven from whole cloth. If that’s true, then let’s see the evidence of which there is none.

What we know for certain, however, is that the vaccines –do not stay in the deltoid muscle in the shoulder like the drug companies said — but enter the bloodstream where the substance circulates throughout the body (and brain), penetrating the cells in the fabric on the inside of the blood vessels forcing the cells to produce the cytotoxin spike protein that triggers microscopic blood clots in 62% of people who were tested. (Note– The spike proteins do in fact accumulate in the ovaries suggesting that the vaccine will impact fertility.) Allowing oneself to be vaccinated with this undertested and grossly over-hyped injection is an invitation to an uncertain future in which blood clots, bleeding and Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) will likely negatively impact one’s health and sharply reduce one’s lifespan.

One last thing: By now you have probably read the blockbuster story in Thursday’s Washington Post titled “The War has Changed’ Internal CDC document urges new messaging, warns delta infections likely more severe”

The author reluctantly confirms much of what we “anti-vaxxers” have been saying for months, that the vaccines are not nearly as effective as advertised. (By the way, I’m not anti-vaccine, but if my opponents think that gives them an edge in the debate, then it’s ‘their call’.) Naturally, the Post tries to blame the Delta variant for the fact that the vaccines don’t perform as predicted but, remember, the Delta variant is a subset of Covid, but it’s still Covid. So there’s no reason why the vaccines shouldn’t work. Instead, they claim to be 85 or 95% effective which is pure hogwash. If you bought a contraceptive that only worked part of the time, you wouldn’t say it was ‘mainly effective.’ No. You would say it was a bust just as the vaccines are a bust because they do not do what they are supposed to do. The whole Delta meme is a red herring, a cynical diversion from the glaring shortcomings of the vaccine. The vaccines do not prevent Covid. At best, they provide some temporary immunity that wears off a few months later. Even worse, they do not stop transmission, in fact, they may accelerate the rate of transmission just as “leaky vaccines” may contribute to the spread of variants. Here’s a clip from the article:

“The document is an internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention slide presentation, shared within the CDC (that shows) new research suggests vaccinated people can spread the virus….

It cites a combination of recently obtained, still-unpublished data from outbreak investigations and outside studies showing that vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated. Vaccinated people infected with delta have measurable viral loads similar to those who are unvaccinated and infected with the variant…

CDC scientists were so alarmed by the new research that the agency earlier this week significantly changed guidance for vaccinated people even before making new data public.

The data and studies cited in the document played a key role in revamped recommendations that call for everyone — vaccinated or not — to wear masks indoors in public settings in certain circumstances, a federal health official said.” (Washington Post)

Think about that for a minute. The CDC finally figures out that cases, hospitalizations and deaths are rising just months after the massive vaccination rollout… just as they have risen in every other country that launched a mass vaccination campaign. And their remedy for this debacle is ‘what’?

“To make the people wear masks”. Does that make sense to you? In Singapore, 85% of the people currently in hospital have been vaccinated. Would it have made a difference had they worn masks before?

Of course not. The uptick in cases is linked to the vaccine just as it has been linked to the vaccine in every other country that launched a campaign. It has nothing to do with masks. Here’s more from the Post:

“One of the slides states that there is a higher risk among older age groups for hospitalization and death relative to younger people, regardless of vaccination status.”

Okay, so we just injected millions of America’s oldest and most vulnerable people with a substance that generates the same lethal pathogen (spike protein) that is the killing agent in Covid-19. What did the geniuses at the CDC think would happen? If I injected you with arsenic or strychnine, would you expect to be immune from future disease or would you expect to get sick? That’s a no-brainer, right? The Salk Institute designated the spike protein as a pathogen. (From the report: “Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model—proving that the spike protein alone was enough to cause disease.”) Vaccinologist Dr Byram Bridle said “the spike protein is a pathogenic protein, a toxin” that is responsible for “bleeding, heart problems and clotting”…”The spike protein on its own is almost entirely responsible for the damage to the cardiovascular system.”

Bottom line: The Covid vaccine is not medicine. It is politics dolled-up to look like medicine.

And what are the politics driving the criminal CoVaxx agenda?

Good question, but we don’t know yet. But the extraordinary coordination of policy around the world suggests that powerful players are influencing outcomes everywhere.

Is that a conspiracy theory?

You bet it is, and you’d have to be blind not to see that there’s more going on here than meets the eye.

So, tell me, Ron Unz, what is your view of the Covid vaccine and what part of my theory do you dismiss as “anti-vaxx crackpottery”?

Ron Unz— Actually, there are all sorts of different anti-vaxxers, including on the comment threads of this website. Some of them take your position, others claim that everyone who’s been vaccinated is doomed, and will be dead in six months or a year or whatever.

Let me reemphasize, I don’t know or care anything about vaccines, certainly including the Covid vaccines. I have absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject, any more than I bother researching the details of an automobile engine if I just want to drive a car somewhere.

There are probably tens of thousands of scientific vaccine experts all around the world, and as far as I can tell maybe three or four of them seem to have very serious doubts about whether to vaccinate people against Covid, which suggests that 99.9+% of them support the vaccination effort. According to the AMA, almost all the doctors in America have had themselves vaccinated. Since I don’t know anything about vaccines, that seems good enough for me.

Pretty much all the world’s political leaders have been vaccinated. If you look at the public surveys, vaccination rates in America are highest for the wealthiest and best-educated portion of the population, which includes all our political, economic, media, and intellectual elites, while vaccination rates are lowest for the poorest and the least educated. I’ll bet virtually every member of the World Economic Forum has been vaccinated. Early on, some of the more “conspiratorial” commenters claimed vaccination was a diabolical plot by the Jews to finally exterminate all the “goyim” but they became mystified when they learned that Israel had one of the world’s highest vaccination rates.

Maybe all these scientific experts, medical professionals, and world leaders are entirely wrong, and getting vaccinated is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. Maybe, but since I have to bet, I’d bet the other way.

The problem is that anyone can say anything, no matter how ridiculous, and put it up on the Internet or make a video, which other “excited” people will then quote to each other, especially at a time of great national stress or crisis. For example, there’s all this ranting about “spike proteins” and other things about which I know nothing.

Without mentioning any names, someone recently claimed in a very popular column that between 300,000 and 600,000 people in the UK and the US had already died from vaccinations. That probably means an extra 50,000 to 100,000 American deaths per month, an astonishing increase of something like 20% to 40% over normal death rates. Yet none of those deaths have shown up any government statistics, and it’s hard to imagine that physicians or mortuaries wouldn’t have noticed such a huge spike. People will believe anything, no matter how ridiculous.

Like I’ve said, I haven’t paid any attention to the vaccine issue, but one reason I don’t pay attention to any of the anti-vaxxers is that they seem to heavily overlap with the people who’d previously been Flu Hoaxers, claiming that the virus wasn’t that dangerous and the government was wrong to desperately try to control its spread. As I discussed in my previous response, I was paying close attention to that issue and they were proven 100% wrong about that. In the case of vaccines, they tend to quote one or two or three supposed “experts” who say the vaccines are a disaster, and back then they had also located and endlessly cited a tiny number of “experts” who claimed that only a sliver of Americans would die. It’s easy for non-scientists or non-medical experts to be overly impressed by some scientific jargon that wouldn’t persuade anyone knowledgeable.

Anyway, the whole vaccination debate seems pretty meaningless to me. The evidence quoted in the newspapers seems to show that although vaccination doesn’t completely prevent the disease, it reduces the risk of a serious or fatal case by something like 90%, and therefore is obviously beneficial. On the other hand, vaccinated people can still apparently spread the disease to others, greatly reducing the public benefit in getting vaccination rates to very high levels. So although the government and companies should certainly encourage more people to get vaccinated, there’s probably no real reason to force the more fanatic anti-vaxxers to do so since they’re really only endangering their own lives. Maybe when the inevitable happens, the remainder will change their minds, like that rightwing radio host who’d been denouncing vaccines but is now in the hospital with Covid fighting for his life.

But if the anti-vaxxers are correct, well over half the adult American population has already been fully vaccinated, so there’s absolutely nothing that can be done to save them. Similarly, two billion people around the world have been vaccinated, so it’s too late to save them as well. However, if the vaccines were really that dangerous and two billion people had already been vaccinated, wouldn’t we already be hearing about millions or tens of millions of people falling seriously ill or dying?

As of a month or two ago, one of the countries in the world with the absolute lowest vaccination rates was India, with only 3% of the population vaccinated. And that also happens to be the country where millions have recently died. If the vaccines were relatively dangerous and Covid relatively harmless, wouldn’t you expect it to be the other way round?

Virtually every world leader supports Covid vaccination. Maybe that’s because there’s a secret, diabolical conspiracy, or maybe that’s because all the medical experts everywhere support vaccination. After all, all those same world leaders also believe that rocks fall downward.

 
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  1. BuelahMan says:

    so taking the vaccine is more than 100x safer than getting Covid, and is almost certainly the smart thing to do, at least for people over 40 or with health problems.

    Ridiculous bullshit.

  2. The smallpox vaccine eradicated smallpox world wide.

    The polio vaccine eradicated polio world wide.

    The covid vaccine . . . . . . . . covid worldwide.

    When is a vaccine not a vaccine?

  3. Interesting debate. However, one important aspect is missing from the discussion- therapeutics.
    Are HCQ and Ivermectin effective or not? If they are effective, are they being denigrated to protect the profits of BigPharma? If they aren’t effective, what motive do the pathologists and doctors who promote them have to lie? I don’t think they’re being paid to spread falsehoods.

    Also missing is the complete lack of public health messaging on the importance of vitamin D and Zinc in supporting a healthy immune system, and the importance of addressing our obesity epidemic, type two diabetes, and other easily preventable co-morbidities. Why don’t we have more a effective information program in the MSM to promote public health? I suspect it is to protect BigPharma profits.

  4. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Are hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin legitimate treatments? If so then why use a drug that hasn’t been fully tested when a fast and cheap treatment is available? It’s stated that the vaccination is less dangerous than Covid is on a percentage basis but that’s just on a short term basis. It’s argued that the vaxx sets people up for health issues further down the road so the entire picture hasn’t been assembled yet. We know the profile of the typical Covid victim- older, obese, diabetic, health problems- but what’s the profile of those dying from the vaxx? Is it identical or different? Michael Yeadon certainly has the background and credentials of someone to be paid attention to. RFK jr has some interesting things to say about the vaxx industry and the health agencies. In this country everything has become corrupt, media, medical establishment, regulatory agencies, political class, etc, so trusting what they say is absurdly naive.

  5. notbe says:

    Ron Unz sums it up excellently

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  6. Tom Verso says:

    Ron Unze writes;

    TOTAL American deaths from all causes over the last few years, taken directly from the CDC website:
    the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000

    .
    He assumes that the “Jump” was caused by Covid deaths.

    That is a reasonable hypothesis that should be ‘tested’.

    Also, another reasonable hypothesis is that there is another ‘death variable’ correlated with covid.

    For example, there is also reported significant increases in deaths:
    due to drug over dose such as Fentanyl and increases in suicides.

    Indeed, it has be argued that increase over dose and suicide deaths are correlated with ‘lockdowns’.

    In short as no doubt Mr. Unz knows … correlation is not cause.

    The lockdowns are a profound first in history social experiment. That experiment must be studied in total before one can conclude that “increase in deaths” are caused by Covid

  7. @BuelahMan

    Who knows? When the dust settles, Mr. Unz may turn out to be guessing correctly.

    But, in his own candid words, he neither “know[s] nor “care[s] about,” and hasn’t even “looked into” the Pfizer, etc., products of which he speaks with so much confidence. The outright acquiescence to Establishment sources and marginalization of skeptics seem to contradict the stated mission of his website.

    It would be interesting to see the response if Mr. Whitney had asked, “Do my views threaten the importance of your theories on the origins of the virus?”

  8. Excellent interview! And so much better than the Official Narrative spewed by the authorities, the talking head physicians, and main stream media. Kudos!
    I take issue with some, but overall agree with most.

    First the Constitution reserves all undeclared rights to the States. The Tenth Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” That is why we have 50 different Public Health Departments (lots of jobs) and why Governors, not the President, make Public Health decisions. The NIAID, the CDC and other Government agencies constitutionally are advisory only. Otherwise Biden would mandate that EVERYONE must get vaccinated. Natural immunity (after being infected there were only 14 cases of re-infection last I heard) still looks superior (and may be “ruined” by vaccination). While Trump is an idiot (and Biden is brain dead), the Governors are in charge. Hawaii did a relatively great job (~400 Covid-19 deaths per million, but no natural immunity); NY and NJ at ~3000 deaths per million, were grossly incompetent. However, anyone surviving Covid-19 in NYC last April likely has natural immunity. The massive (80%) drop in new cases/ and new deaths between mid January and March in the US was surely due to natural immunity, since vaccination effects had not taken effect (and “only” 8% fully vaccinated March 1 and 15% by March 31; vaccines like many repurposed drugs take weeks of pretreatment to affect Covid-19). Vaccines are only really useful for those Vulnerable (those over age 60, 95%, and those with serious medical issues, 5%), where they are surely life-saving. They are not to prevent disease, but to save lives.

    As to criticizing anyone who changed their views (such as Trump, Joannidis, Ferguson, and particularly Fauci) the situation “evolved”. Here is what Fauci said February 29, 2020:
    “No. Right now, at this moment, there’s no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day by day basis. Right now the risk is still low, but this could change. I’ve said that many times even on this program. You’ve got to watch out because although the risk is low now, you don’t need to change anything you’re doing. When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.” The politicians should keep their mouths shut about Science, but this was the advice America (and Trump) was hearing in early March as the pandemic started rolling.

    “However, I do think it’s unfair to be too harsh on the specific details of some of the public health measures adopted such as social distancing or masking. Remember, our government health authorities were suddenly faced with an entirely new and dangerous disease, having completely unknown properties. The exact effectiveness of masking and the right separations for social distancing couldn’t be known at the time, and I think even more than a year later are still hotly disputed in some of the articles I’ve read. Because of the earlier SARS epidemic, East Asian countries had gotten used to masking, and since they seemed to be doing such an effective job of controlling the Covid epidemic, we decided to do the same thing, which may or may not have helped all that much.”
    This is Bullshit, and is repeated constantly in the mainstream media! I lived in Singapore for four years, WEARING MASKS is almost socially obligatory when you have any bug (I have allergies, and hated masks in hot, humid Singapore), and has been that way LONG BEFORE SARS. They have varying “epidemics” and bugs constantly, it is a part of life in SE Asia. I also talked to many friends there (scientists who worked with me and with Public Health officials) and they noted that the reason had NOTHING TO DO WITH SARS, which while deadly, was more a hospital transmitted virus, not particularly contagious. They told me the big Public Health changes occurred after Swine flu in 2009-2010; Singaporeans diligently wore their masks WHICH DID NOT HELP, because the virus was so contagious, and some ended in the hospital (for most just a bad cold), and frankly scared the Public Health officials. Their success is NOT due to masks, but rather tight border control against entering viruses (initially it was only checking symptomatic people– fevers and coughs) and forbidding entry from infected nations, now much tighter. If you look at Thailand and Vietnam (worldometers.info) you can see the virus is now breaking in. Singapore is relatively wealthy and used their year of being relatively Covid-19-free to vaccinate most of their Vulnerable (most countries median age of death from Covid-19 is 82, so the majority of people dying from the virus globally after older than 80. Epidemiologists argue whether these deaths from “harvesting” (their term not mine) are only the people who would have likely died anyway in the next three to five years. Life expectancy in the US for an 80 year old used to be about 9 years in the US, but generally life expectancy has dropped in the US.)
    The delta variant is much more contagious and is sweeping through much of the world now, slipping past tight border control.

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  9. To give ‘expert’ status to the people in the medical profession is a huge error. There are no experts in the medical profession when it comes to something they’ve never seen before. Just looking at the different responses gov’ts have taken when listening to their chosen experts should be proof that these people don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. They are winging it. They are power hungry frauds.

    No gov’t has the right to tell me what to do if I haven’t caused harm to person or property. I don’t care what laws some clique of professional whores known as legislators declares to be law when it clearly impinges on my personal freedoms as a human being.

  10. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:

    “There are probably tens of thousands of scientific vaccine experts all around the world, and as far as I can tell maybe three or four of them seem to have very serious doubts about whether to vaccinate people against Covid, which suggests that 99.9+% of them support the vaccination effort.”

    BS. Most experts are silent because they risk losing their job. There’s a political command to push vaccines and anyone who goes against it risks losing his job or more, not to mention getting banned and deplatformed from everywhere. Being against vaccines is the new racism.

    But most importantly, now that vaccines are widely available, why don’t all you virus hysterics (including apparently all the politicians and journalists) just take it and leave the rest of us “crackpots” alone with your masks, vaccines and restrictions? Just take your gene therapy that you trust so much and leave the rest of us alone.

    PS: The 0.5-1% death rate that you quote is also wrong. It’s close to 0.2% overall, and less than 0.1% for people under 70. It’s nothing on a societal level.

  11. RudyM says:
    @Greta Handel

    in his own candid words, he neither “know[s] nor “care[s] about,” and hasn’t even “looked into” the Pfizer, etc., products of which he speaks with so much confidence.

    Thanks. I will continue to emulate Unz’s approach here by not bothering to read what he has to say on this topic.

    This is a bit like being back in 2003 and reading/hearing comments about invading Iraq, by someone who didn’t know what PNAC was and just wasn’t that interested in what possible ulterior motives different groups involved in the decision making process might have. Why bother with such people? What do they have to contribute to a serious dialogue, especially in the midst of vastly greater scale than the war on terror? Our entire civilization is being threatened by a trans-national technocratic totalitarianism and Unz fiddles about a conventional nation against nation conflict which does not reflect what is concretely happening in the world right now.

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  12. RudyM says:

    But, hey, Ron go get a lifetime subscription to these experimental shots if that makes you happy. I’m not sure you are worth trying to save.

  13. @michael888

    Singapore is relatively wealthy and used their year of being relatively Covid-19-free to vaccinate most of their Vulnerable (most countries median age of death from Covid-19 is 82, so the majority of people dying from the virus globally after older than 80. Epidemiologists argue whether these deaths from “harvesting” (their term not mine) are only the people who would have likely died anyway in the next three to five years. Life expectancy in the US for an 80 year old used to be about 9 years in the US, but generally life expectancy has dropped in the US.)

    This, along with the CDC stats Unz provided of excess deaths leads me to wonder if we’ll see a decrease in overall deaths over the next year or two. Seemingly, Corona may have “pulled forward” the deaths of a lot of elderly people – a situation similar to the Vioxx recall Ron wrote about:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinese-melamine-and-american-vioxx-a-comparison/

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  14. Jon Chance says: • Website

    At this point of our global Plandemic investigation, one must ask why an intelligent individual such as Ron Unz would apparently be in such deep denial about the revelations of Mikki Willis, Judy Mikovitz, David Martin, Sam Bailey, Michel Chossudovsky, and many many many others….

    https://PlandemicSeries.com

  15. Robinski says:

    “Virtually every world leader supports Covid vaccination.” Maybe that’s because four world leaders who didn’t support vaccination died suspiciously after renouncing vaccination.

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  16. Realist says:
    @BuelahMan

    Ridiculous bullshit.

    And there were 9,000 words of it. This is just Unz rehashing this narrative…far too many times.

    Ron should take Polonius’ words to heart: Brevity is the soul of wit

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  17. Informed consent is all that matters. The media and vaxx shills have avoided this from day one. First they offered Enticed Consent, and now they threaten Enforced Consent. This has nothing to do with medicine. It is the obvious propaganda of a Zionist police state.

  18. @Skip Scott

    Investigate the MATH+ protocol.

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  19. Roger says:

    9000 words. Oh, boy! Where to start?

    If beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, then my assessment is as good as anyone else’s, so here’s my scorecard: Mike Whitney–1, Ron Unz–0.

    I have tremendous respect for Ron Unz in the way that he has built this website and is not afraid to face controversial subjects, allowing others to promote viewpoints on which he might disagree. Honest, open dialogue is important and necessary to a free people. Nevertheless, I think he missed it here.

    Numerous times during this interview, Whitney hammered on the question of the measures which governors of the various states implemented during the crisis.

    “So I will ask you again: Do you think the Governors usurped powers that are not provided to them under their state constitutions?”

    Were these legal? Constitutional? Were they simply power grabs because they could get away with acting that way? Should they have been allowed due to extraordinary circumstances? If they were allowed to stand, would they have been rolled back once the crisis was over? Whitney then referenced the way that some states have passed legislation to curtail the arbitrary and capricious actions which so many governors took.

    “When is it ever acceptable for a governor– acting without the explicit support of his state legislature– to unilaterally close down privately-owned businesses, schools, restaurants and churches?”

    “Never, it’s never acceptable, which is why at least 15 states have moved to curtail the emergency powers of the governors despite the fact that the media has chosen to entirely ignore the story.”

    Unz never answered this question in a straight-forward manner. Instead, he constantly referred to the method the Chinese State had employed as the example we should have used–total, blanket lockdown–which, showed that,

    “…the evidence from China clearly proves that lockdowns can work, if implemented properly. China used extremely severe lockdowns with almost no exceptions, that supposedly confined around 700 million people to their homes. But since the lockdowns were so severe, they managed to almost completely stamp out the virus, and after a few weeks, Chinese life went back to being almost normal, with requirements even for masking and social distancing being soon eliminated in most of the country. So they struck very hard for a few weeks, solved the problem, and then removed almost all the restrictions.”

    And this,

    “…the Chinese government took very strong and decisive action early on, shut down their entire economy, confined 700 million Chinese to their homes, and totally stamped out the virus. So within a few months, life in China went back to being almost entirely normal for nearly the whole population, without lockdowns or other serious restrictions.”

    Without lockdowns or other serious restrictions? Or is this meant to read, there were no more lockdowns and other serious restrictions after the initial lockdown and other serious restrictions? If two or three months of 700 million people being unable to leave their homes is not a ‘lockdown’ or a ‘serious restriction’, then I do not know what is.

    The question remains. Should America have followed the course of action which the Chinese government took? Should the American State have simply shut down the whole economy and ordered people to go into their homes and stay there–under severe penalty for disobedience? Unz appears to say, pragmatically speaking, that this was the proper course of action without ever addressing the issue of personal liberty and freedom of the individual nor considering the cost to anyone’s own health and well-being. Hey, whatever works.! Damn the consequences!

    Who wants to live in a country which has a government such as China’s? If you do, then move there. I certainly do not and I take issue with the idea that I must submit to totalitarian, authoritarian rule simply because we are in the middle of a pandemic, the sort of which this world has seen many times over, and which has proven in retrospect to be fairly mild compared to others which have been far worse.

    I will end with this.

    “So overall, I think the situation is a lot like the old story about “crying wolf.” Our government and media have been lying about so many important things for so many years that you and many other people don’t even believe them even when they seem to be telling the truth. That’s one of the reasons our society is in such bad shape these days.”

    This appears to be shifting the blame. It is Mike Whitney’s fault that he does not believe the government and media anymore. People like Whitney and myself (probably yourself) are to blame for society being in such bad shape, not because the government and media lie about so many important things for years, but because we do not believe them when they “seem” to be telling the truth. Well, it is logical that when someone lies continuously, they are not believed even when they are telling the truth. How do we know that they are telling the truth this time if they cannot be believed? Our society is not in bad shape BECAUSE we do not believe the government and media. It is in bad shape BECAUSE for too many years we HAVE BELIEVED the lies they have promoted.

    It is time for a soul-searching change, what the Holy Bible calls repentance. The most healthy thing an individual can do is to stop believing what anyone else says and discover the truth for himself, which requires liberty, entails risk, and carries with it the certainty that, sooner or later, you will have to admit you were mistaken.

  20. David B says:

    Mr. Unz, I am a great admirer of yours and every single day I am grateful to you for the forum you provide here. But I am solidly in Mike’s camp on this one. I think you are far too willing to accept governmental and MSM statistics and arguments in this area, which frankly is really surprising to me given your American Pravda series. And for goodness sake, you come right out and say that you know nothing about vaccines and have no interest in researching the matter. I honestly believe that if you took two hours each week to watch Del Bigtree’s program on thehighwire.com, you would see all of this very differently. Anyway, thank you for continuing to provide an outlet for Mike Whitney’s work and for continuing to maintain an open comment policy.

  21. Realist says:
    @Greta Handel

    But, in his own candid words, he neither “know[s] nor “care[s] about,” and hasn’t even “looked into” the Pfizer, etc., products of which he speaks with so much confidence. The outright acquiescence to Establishment sources and marginalization of skeptics seem to contradict the stated mission of his website.

    Ron has been beating this dead horse far too long. And using loquacity as if it had merit.

    • Agree: 3g4me
  22. Notsofast says:

    “virtually every world leader supports covid vaccination”….the leaders of burundi, tanzania and haiti didn’t and ended up dead.

  23. Cowboy says:

    For the enthusiasts of Scientism excess deaths appears to be the controlling variable at the expense of all other variables. A sad commentary on what is quickly becoming a hegemonic world atheocracy.

    • Agree: Liza
  24. Blubb says:

    Doctors generally trust big pharma, because big pharma helps them make money.

    I don’t trust big pharma, and consequently have limited trust in doctors.

    Be my guest if you do.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes, InnerCynic
  25. @RoatanBill

    I just checked it out, and also realized that I’d seen it before. Thanks for bringing it up. In addition, IMHO there should be better early outpatient care with Ivermectin. Just sending folks home to get sicker and THEN treating them is negligence that rises to criminality.

  26. Realist says:

    Pretty much all the world’s political leaders have been vaccinated. If you look at the public surveys, vaccination rates in America are highest for the wealthiest and best-educated portion of the population, which includes all our political, economic, media, and intellectual elites, while vaccination rates are lowest for the poorest and the least educated.

    The appeal to authority fallacy. Your adoration of the virtue of the planet’s most corrupt, lying, power-hungry low-lives is disturbing. You are venerating the very people who gain the most from this false pandemic narrative…the Deep State and its quest for unconditional power.

  27. Realist says:
    @David B

    I think you are far too willing to accept governmental and MSM statistics and arguments in this area, which frankly is really surprising to me given your American Pravda series.

    This is very baffling to me as well. He has actually stated that as evidence of his pursuit of truth…he reads his NYT…one of the most dishonest rags.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  28. Robinski says:

    “As of a month or two ago, one of the countries in the world with the absolute lowest vaccination rates was India, with only 3% of the population vaccinated. And that also happens to be the country where millions have recently died. If the vaccines were relatively dangerous and Covid relatively harmless, wouldn’t you expect it to be the other way round?” https://greatgameindia.com/vaccination-second-covid-19-wave-india/ There was a 750% increase in covid in Indian cities in which mass vaccination events occurred. Parts of India that were less affected were areas where vaccination numbers were lower. Ron seems to be a big believer in government statistics that back his arguments but you know what they say, lies, damn lies and statistics.

    • Replies: @EoinW
    , @Jack Amok
  29. @David B

    Mr. Unz … I think you are far too willing to accept governmental and MSM statistics and arguments in this area, which frankly is really surprising to me given your American Pravda series.

    That seems to be the consensus among many of the respondents in this forum.

    The toxic nature of the Corona Chan “vaccines”, and the relentless insistence of governments world wide on injecting 100% of their populations with this secret shit, appear to be the proverbial elephant in Mr. Unz’ room.

    Just lately, we seem to have confirmation from Argentine doctors of the Graphene Oxide found in all of the Western Corona Chan “vaccines”, and they make no bones about their assessment that these “vaccines” are genocidal bioweapons.

    Argentine Doctors – All Western Corona Chan “Vaccines” Contain Graphene Oxide

    https://www.orwell.city/2021/07/absorption-signal.html

    https://rumble.com/vk7arl-july-22-2021.html

    https://rumble.com/embed/vhl4mb/

    https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/b/z/C/b/bzCbc.caa.mp4

    From past form, no doubt Mr. Unz won’t touch this with a 40 foot pole.

    • Replies: @Anon
  30. Excellent discussion between two highly respected individuals. We need more of this type of analysis. Both individuals raised many good points. That said, I agree with Skip Scott that the issue of therapeutics was a huge omission. And as such, that omission certainly impacts and probably weakens Mr. Unz’s position. Also, although Mr. Unz is careful to state that he is not an expert on vaccines (or perhaps they should be correctly called gene therapy) he seems to be downplaying the potential for long-term disastrous effects of this untested experimental technology. Do the benefits outweigh the unknown risks? I would vote no and will avoid the “vaccine” in spite of the mostly valid arguments raised by Mr. Unz.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Thanks: showmethereal
  31. notbe says:
    @Tom Verso

    fair enough but drug overdoses and suicides never jump by so much from year to year

    usually, its either a small increase or decrease within a trend thats going up or down for instance, the homicide rate going up by 16 percent is quite a increase, indicating that something happened as Steve Sailer analyzed, but it is still within statistal reality

    a huge jump in drug overdoses or suicides like this would indicate a societal melt down without precedence in human history

    now readers of unz generally feel that yes the us and west are undergoing a cultural-societal melt down but a half a million extra death is just too, too much to attribute to lockdown stress causing overdoses and suicides

    basically its like everyone in Atlanta without is metro area, deciding to commit suicide or overdosing by accident

    an excess of a half million extra deaths indicates either a very bloody war or an epidemic there had not been any news reports, in either the msm or the alternative media, of the us engaging in a bloody war so my money is on an epidemic

    • Replies: @EoinW
    , @Redman
  32. I think the biggest problem was that the federal government under Trump initially ignored the entire epidemic, or handled it in a totally incompetent manner. For example, instead of using the Covid-detection kit that had been very quickly developed by Germany, we decided to produce our own, and the CDC completely botched the job, so that the initial kits were defective and weeks went by before we could even tell if or where Covid was spreading around the country.

    While I generally agree with your thesis, the example you cite is a lot worse. Once the health emergency was declared by HHS, you couldn’t do testing without FDA emergency authorization. And the roadblocks they threw up were so insane I can’t attribute them to anything other than malice, for example requiring that others’ tests distinguish between SARS-CoV(-1), which died out, MERS-CoV which has infected exactly two people in the US, and SARS-CoV-2. Team Trump obviously failed to see how these two units of their executive prevented more than 4,000 people being tested through the end of February, with rules about who could be tested that made sure we couldn’t detect community transmission, everyone was flying blind until mid-March or so.

    As for the vaccines, one major problem that’s now been discovered is that they don’t seem very effective in preventing vaccinated people from infecting others

    Ummm, no, that’s sure doesn’t seem to be true for the most effective of them, the mRNA vaccines. The adenovirus vector ones are either partial general failures like Oxford’s grift, intentionally not the most effective like the one jab version of Janssen’s, and we just don’t have enough info about Sputnik-V for a variety of reasons, including that all of them are harder to manufacture than the simpler mRNA ones. There’s others like the inactivated whole virus ones from the PRC I don’t follow, some are said to be fairly good, some not so good.

    Perhaps you’re mistaking imperfect efficacy, especially with the Delta variant’s immune escape mutations lowering all efficacy endpoints by ~7-10% as far as I can tell for something much worse? Like when you say

    vaccinated people are still getting sick and sometimes even dying from the illness.

    Well, yeah. The highest efficacy in terms of getting a disease for all vaccines is around 95%, meaning 5% failure. Humans are wildly variable including our immune systems. Is this an example of perfect being the enemy of good enough? Were you previously thinking vaccines in the middle of what you might hope would be an eradication campaign could be perfect on an individual scale? The history of smallpox eradication for example shows that level of efficacy isn’t required.

    Since Trump used emergency orders to suspend all the normal regulations regarding development and testing

    Here I’m going to tap out, because Trump did nothing of the sort, preexisting laws and rules were applied, Operation Warp Speed (OWS) was about removing funding roadblocks in testing (development of the authorized vaccine candidates was done long before Trump got serious about COVID-19), and funding risk production and supply chains long before we knew if any of the vaccine would work. The Manhattan Project style of doing things, wasteful except in an emergency like a war or a pandemic.

    This worked fantastically for Moderna and J&J’s Janssen modulo the decades long corruption of Emergent BioSolutions, Oxford’s is a general disappointment, Novavax appears to be hung up on manufacturing due to other cell culture vaccines getting higher priority, Merck never tried hard, and Sanofi/GSK screwed up V1.0 testing, V2.0 is going very well. Pfizer/BioNTech infamously accepted nothing from OWS except a risk production order for one hundred million doses.

    It’s like you think the Congress and the FDA never conceived that we might someday have a pandemic from a novel pathogen, after the close scare of SARS, MERS showing SARS wasn’t a one off, the general concern about bird flu, plus the anthrax attack on members of Congress.

    • Agree: ic1000
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  33. @Daniel Fremen

    The smallpox vaccine eradicated smallpox world wide.

    The polio vaccine eradicated polio world wide.

    The covid vaccine . . . . . . . . covid worldwide.

    When is a vaccine not a vaccine?

    When you haven’t given it enough time to work?

    Smallpox eradication started in earnest in the middle of the 19th Century, and was still infecting an estimate of fifty million people a year in 1950s. Polio eradication is still a work in progress, is in fact going backwards as both wild type and circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV) cases have been going up in the 2016-18 period. We can’t even begin to talk about COVID-19 eradication until we can manufacture enough doses for, you know, the entire world’s population. That might happen by the end of 2023, it’s not going to happen this year.

    • Replies: @JM
  34. @Skip Scott

    Part of that criminality is the racket known as prescription drugs. Where I live, I can get Ivermectin, HCQ, antibiotics and anything I can possibly want over the counter. It’s the prescription racket that prevents people from getting what they think they need. This prohibition to essentially create a cartel that controls drugs is what the gov’t uses to declare that you may not get this or that and that doctors may not prescribe whatever it is the controllers don’t like.

    All drugs should be over the counter to get rid of the control mechanism and to reduce the cost of medical care. Why do I have to get a permission slip from a doctor at a cost to me in time and money when I know what I need? The FDA needs to be shut down and all the laws that protect the medical and pharmaceutical industries need to be cancelled.

    • Agree: Nancy, mike99588
    • Replies: @Skip Scott
  35. Emslander says:
    @RudyM

    I’m not sure you are worth trying to save.

    This little tour de diable proves it: Ron Unz is one seriously demented douchebag!

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  36. Anonymous[129] • Disclaimer says:

    Regarding “If that isn’t a legitimate “emergency” I don’t know what is.”

    Emergency rights derogations are permissible under ICCPR Article 4, supreme law of the land with which US at all levels is obligated to come into conformity. But since the Article 4 tests and requirements were not followed, the emergency measures are illegal. A state of emergency is legal for conditions that “threaten the life of the nation.” A virus with mortality rate of between 0.12 and 1% does not threaten the life of the nation.

    The legal standard for Regulations affecting a number of different freedoms for public health reasons is the Siracusa Principles. Below is a British analysis which is directly applicable because the relevant law is universal (he uses the ECHR, but the ICCPR has equivalents for each derogated right.)

    https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2020/04/21/a-disproportionate-interference-the-coronavirus-regulations-and-the-echr-francis-hoar

    The precedent of WWII justifies arbitrary detention of ethnic Asians and use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations. The supreme law of the land has since changed. If you want to sit at the grown-ups’ table and talk about current events, you can’t ignore the law cause Grandma kicked the bucket.

  37. Fergus says:

    Journalism at its best. I’m grateful for Ron’s incredible service to humanity with his fearless scrutiny of prevailing social consciousness, and his willingness to put himself on record in the face of what must be pressures most would find unbearable.

    That said, this excellent conversation only scratched the surface of the topic of what Unz has characterized as a likely biowarfare attack on China by some elements of the US intelligence community. Fundamental questions remain to be explored:

    Without being able to quote sources, I have read that the rules for defining just exactly what a pandemic is were changed fundamentally in the months and years leading to the present outbreak. Why were these changes made which made it so much easier to declare a pandemic?

    One criterion for declaring a pandemic being that there is no effective treatment for the illness in question, how is it that hydroxychloroquine, which had been available over the counter in Britain, was reclassified as a prescription drug shortly before the outbreak (if this is actually the case)?

    Hopefully a future conversation with Unz will address the present use and effectiveness of ivermectin in India described here:
    https://clarion.causeaction.com/2021/06/21/why-was-news-of-indias-success-with-ivermectin-suppressed/

    Noting that if either hydroxychloroquine (along with zinc and an antibiotic) or ivermectin are actually effective treatments then the declaration of global pandemic is fraudulent even under the newly relaxed pandemic criteria. Interesting to note that reported effectiveness of both inexpensive therapies for complete cure is very close to the “vaccine’s” apparent effectiveness at reducing serious symptoms and death rate.

    I look forward to the next episode of this excellent conversation between Mike & Ron, which will hopefully shine some light into the deep rabbit hole which conceals the traditions, powers and personalities behind the creation of this particular chimeric life form.

    • Replies: @Anon62
  38. Why do I need a vaccine for a virus that has death rate of .2%?

    And why should anyone care if I take the jab or not?

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Thanks: The Griffins
  39. Unz makes some good arguments, and he’s very much on target about Trump’s inept response and his even more idiotic ‘operation Warp speed’. I think the debate would have been better if they would have stuck to a single subject: the disease and the inept response of the corrupt and criminal government officials at federal, state and local levels rather than wandering off into the weeds of unconstitutional power grabs (which have been under way long before COVID).

    The response of the St. Louis city government to the 1918-19 ‘Spanish’ flu pandemic would likely be regarded by Mr. Whitney as a similar ‘power-grab’ but the officials then were serious about preventing the spread of the disease. Somewhat like Xi’s China – the measures were both temporary and largely effective and dropped once the crisis was past. There is a legitimate case for emergency powers in pandemic situations. The massive abuse of these on the part of criminals in government does not negate the legitimacy of emergency public health measures.

    One political takeaway from this is that those ruled over by hostile foreign elites (the “free” west) will invariably suffer more than those ruled by those who have their own nation’s interest in mind at least at some level (China). Whitney’s notion that the totalitarian regime in Sweden cares about the interests of the natives there is laughable. In Sweden, Whitney’s criticism of criminal officialdom and their policies would land him in court if not in prison. COVID was indeed a case of the criminal oligarchs ‘not allowing an opportunity to go to waste’ – as Whitney notes. As for Trump, his own behavior is indicative of one who is on the side of the hostile overlords while making pretenses of being against their rule. Once a con-man and grifter, always a con-man and grifter.

    • Replies: @Poco
  40. A123 says: • Website

    Does the vaccine work? Signs point to NO. Mounting evidence shows that the unproven jab is ineffective against the WUHAN-∆ variant. A CDC review showed that 74% of Massachusetts hospitalizations received at least one dose of the vaccine. (1)

    The push for experimental vaccines is coordinated. The histrionic scare tactics are back (2). The sheer amount of Authoritarian Left propaganda being orchestrated by the SJW/DNC makes it hard to trust anything that comes out. Even Mr. Unz admits that the California effort failed.

    here’s a listing of TOTAL American deaths from all causes over the last few years, taken directly from the CDC website:

    2014: 2,626,418
    2015: 2,712,630
    2016: 2,744,248
    2017: 2,813,503
    2018: 2,839,205
    2019: 2,854,838
    2020: 3,384,426

    You’ll notice that the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000. If I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that America had been struck by a dangerous disease epidemic that year.

    On a different note, are we going to see a valley in the stats after the peak?

    2021: ?
    2022: ?
    2023: ?

    Almost all of the “premature” deaths were over 65 and with pre-existing conditions. How many of these individuals were already within months of their “anticipated” end date?

    One does not want to let Granny Killer Cuomo off the hook, but the direct impact of WUHAN-19 was on U.S. Retirees not U.S. Workers.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/30/cdc-study-most-people-infected-with-covid-during-massachusetts-outbreak-were-vaccinated-74-percent-of-outbreak-within-vaccinated-population/

    (2) https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/464999/

     

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @michael888
  41. meamjojo says:

    “So early on I think there were reasonably widespread rumors going around on social media that Covid had a very high fatality rate, perhaps in the 5% or 10% range, and that it might devastate the human race, naturally leading to a great deal of fear-mongering and panic.”

    Sure, when Neil Ferguson scaremongering predictions were proven to be grossly, incompetently wrong, when former USA Surgeon General (and now SG again) Vivek Murthy was making the cable news rounds in March of 2020 predicting 3-4 million deaths before the year was out, which again, didn’t come close to reality. When so many others similar predictions didn’t come true, what were people supposed to do? Give the fearmongers an ‘A’ for effort?

    No, some of us responded with intelligence, pointing out that the number of sick wasn’t proportionate to the fearmongering. And in many net forums, we were censored from posting questions and observations like this that deviated from the MSM narrative.

    The problem is that while the predictions were all roundly off, the public and politicians became scared and this led to all the economic dislocations that the Covid scaremongering was allowed to create.

    Covid might be a virus that makes SOME people seriously sick but not enough people to shutdown economies, shutdown schools, destroy people’s savings and potential futures, put people on breadlines, etc., etc.

    • Replies: @Liza
  42. meamjojo says:

    “Our official Covid death toll is now well over 600,000 but the experts in public health statistics at the University of Washington argue that nearly a million Americans have already died of Covid. Those are enormous numbers, much larger than the combined death toll of all our foreign wars, and they came despite the unprecedented public health measures the government (poorly) implemented over the last year to try to control the spread of the disease. It’s easy to imagine that millions of Americans might have died if the disease had spread in completely unchecked fashion.”

    Those numbers count too many people who didn’t die OF Covid but WITH Covid.

    Covid deaths will also be reviewed and perhaps reclassified. Alameda and Santa Clara counties in CA recently did a recount and revised their Covid death counts south by ~25%! Are other counties revisiting these numbers?

    Regardless, the numbers are not “enormous” by any stretch of the imagination. 600k deaths over a 16 month period is not enormous. In fact, that number works out to be 0.19% of the total USA population. That’s 1/5 of 1%! You can’t get too much lower w/o hitting ZERO.

    “Enormous” numbers would have been 10 million+ at the bottom end, IMO.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  43. meamjojo says:

    “Maybe all these scientific experts, medical professionals, and world leaders are entirely wrong, and getting vaccinated is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. Maybe, but since I have to bet, I’d bet the other way.”

    History is littered with drugs that seemed good at the onset but later proved to be dangerous or even deadly.

    Recall Fen-Phen, the miracle weight loss drug that was removed from the market after it was discovered that it cause heart valve problems?

    Thalidomide that was a widely used drug in the late 1950s and early 1960s for the treatment of nausea in pregnant women? It caused severe birth defects in thousands of children!

    The COX-2 Inhibitors from the early 2000’s (e.g. Vioxx, Celebrex and Bextra) that were heavily advertised as being better at reducing inflammation & pain with less risk of stomach bleeding or ulcers? They looked safe until it was discovered that they all increased the risk of heart issues and strokes. Celebrex is now the only remaining one still on the market.

    We don’t yet know if the mRNA/DNA vaccines are truly safe. The famous Salk Institute published research last April of vascular damage from the spike protein (which is released by these new vaccines to teach the immune system to react to a Covid infection).

    Perhaps we will discover long-term problems with these vaccines down the road. What if similar problems to the above examples were discovered after 2-3 years? What if it is found that 50% of the people who took these vaccines now have heart damage?

  44. Ron Unz: “The AMA has 240,000 members and is America’s main professional association for doctors, and after surveying a sample, they claimed that 96% of physicians had already been fully vaccinated by early June, suggesting that the total is probably now more like 98% or 99%. If almost all the doctors in America have decided to get vaccinated, that’s good enough for me.”

    The sample size was only 301, so not necessarily 96% of all doctors in America. Here’s another survey that yielded a different result:

    https://aapsonline.org/majority-of-physicians-decline-covid-shots-according-to-survey/

    • Replies: @QuEGs
    , @meamjojo
    , @Adrian
  45. Mevashir says:
    @RudyM

    But, hey, Ron go get a lifetime subscription to these experimental shots if that makes you happy. I’m not sure you are worth trying to save.

    Very cruel comment. Unz utilizes statistics and his claim that the Vaxx is 100X safer than Covid seems supported by statistical evidence. The same approach that leads him to claim that Covid was a biowarfare attack on China and Iran.

    Anthrax is also weaponized. But no one would argue that Anthrax antidotes should not be taken in event of being attacked.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  46. Mevashir says:
    @Realist

    VT claims RU is Mossad

    • Replies: @Nancy
  47. Kali says:
    @RudyM

    “This is a bit like being back in 2003 and reading/hearing comments about invading Iraq, by someone who didn’t know what PNAC was and just wasn’t that interested …”

    Very well said RudyM.
    Ron seems not to know, nore to care about so many aspects of this GLOBAL POLITICAL crisis it is truly astonishing!

    Way back in the beginning (March 2020) we had that charlitan, Ferguson, predicting mass catastrophy and advising lockdowns before going off to meet up with his mistetess even though he had tested positive himself. His predictions were hotly debated (though accepted wholesale by the establishment media and Ron Unz.) Obvipusly he didn’t even believe them himself or he wouldn’t have put his mistress or her children at risk.

    From the beginning, when governments were actively changing the way death certificates were to be completed, hot debate was raging concerning the mis-use of non-diagnostic PCR tests to determine “cases” and then count “case fatalitiy rates” in place of INFECTION fatality rates; even as Dr Michael Yeadon was suggesting that, given what was known about “the virus”, the majority of people already had natural immunity. But Ron Unz neither knows nor cares about such triffling concerns. His morning papers are onviously beyond corruption, propaganda and misleading the public (though doubless Jonathan Cook, Craig Murray and Julian Assange may beg to differ).

    From the very beginning when we were being told of this deadly pandemic by the msm, huge temporary hospitals were errected to deal with the coming emergency (only to be dismantled, unused months later) even as intrepid youtubers all over Europe and America presented us with video after video after video of empty hospitals and deserted covid wards and our “hero” medics and nurses danced the light fantastic. Ron neither knows nor cares about such crackpottery.

    From THE VERY BEGINNING Dictor Bill Gates (sic) told us all that THE ONLY WAY OUT was to “vaccinate” the whole world with some “warp speed” untested genetic treatment, even though China had successfully treated its patients with HCQ and zinc. – Such quackery, hey Ron!

    From the very beginning we heard rumours about “vaccine passports” to help us get back to new-normal.

    Then came Klaus Schwabs’ book published just 2 (or was it 3) months in, detailing how he and his all-too-powerful WEF would use the plandemic to entirely reset the worlds economy. But, of course Ron neither knows nor cares to know about such outlandish “conspiracy theories”!

    And now here we are. The toxic vaxx is being defacto mandated as a condition of employment for many, whilst the vaxx-pass is already in effect in many places and is about to be rolled out across Europe.

    And all because establishment statisticians forgot to adjust their charts to account for an aging population and forgot to check mortality records going back longer than a few short years, and because the establishment media forgot its duty as the fourth estate.

    Censorship is rife and propaganda obvious!

    But Ron bought all of it, hook, line and sinker, because he neither knows nor cares to know about anything other than the origins of this aledged, sequenced by computer model, but never ever isolated “virus” – He’s in it for the scoop.
    His fixation with being the first to expose the “American Deep State” as the culprits caused him to abandon his dedication to Pravda along with his critical thinking faculties and, given his “fully vaxxed” status, even his common sense.

    Oh, incidentally Ron, a commenter on this sight (possibly Geokat?) recently shared with us the news that, according to a recent study, most “anti-vaxxers” are intelligent and very well informed on the matter. I’d find the link for you if I thought for a moment you’d care to know amything that might upset the bs you’ve been peddling about us poor, uneducated “anti-vaxx” crackpots!

    Oh, by the way, parts of India, invluding Deli, were locked down. A situation which, just as predicted, lead to many deaths amonst the poor who sudenly found themself unable, by government decred, to earn a crust!

    Kali.

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Onebornfree
    , @Erebus
  48. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    The push for experimental vaccines is coordinated. The histrionic scare tactics are back (2). The sheer amount of Authoritarian Left propaganda being orchestrated by the SJW/DNC makes it hard to trust anything that comes out. Even Mr. Unz admits that the California effort failed.

    Didn’t Trump push to develop and fast track the vaccine? Is he also part of the Left? Or maybe the Left his brains behind crowd?

    Does the vaccine work? Signs point to NO. Mounting evidence shows that the unproven jab is ineffective against the WUHAN-∆ variant. A CDC review showed that 74% of Massachusetts hospitalizations received at least one dose of the vaccine. (1)
    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/07/30/cdc-study-most-people-infected-with-covid-during-massachusetts-outbreak-were-vaccinated-74-percent-of-outbreak-within-vaccinated-population/

    What good is one dose of a two dose vaccine? Wouldn’t that count as technically “unvaccinated”?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Realist
  49. @meamjojo

    We don’t yet know if the mRNA/DNA vaccines are truly safe. The famous Salk Institute published research last April of vascular damage from the spike protein (which is released by these new vaccines to teach the immune system to react to a Covid infection).

    Until you get to EpiVacCorona in this list of vaccine authorizations all of them present copies of the spike protein, so singling out mRNA vaccines plus linking them to DNA just shows your bias.

    But not all spike proteins are created equal, there’s a long line of research going back to the 1960s that resulting in a tweak for SARS type coronavirus vaccines targeting the spike protein that stabilizes them in their “pre-fusion” configuration, that is, they can’t fuse with receptors like ACE2 ones. It’s a pretty good bet this eliminates a lot of pathology of bare wild type (WT) spike proteins, plus see the toxicologist’s maxim that “the dose makes the poison,” there’s no comparison between the number of spike proteins created in an unrestrained infection and a self-limiting vaccination (no replication competent live viruses (yet)).

    That said, I can only confirm that the mRNA vaccines, Janssen’s, Novavax’s, Sanofi’s, and Medicago’s use this tweak, with Janssen adding further stabilization. Oxford’s hot mess is the big example of a vaccine that’s known not to do this.

    You’re also confounding drugs with vaccines, the serious adverse effects of the latter almost entirely show up in the first month and a half after the last dose, it’s inherent in what they do, how they work. We do have centuries of experience with them after all.

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Itch
    , @skrik
  50. @Greta Handel

    I am surprised at Ron Unz. For a website that publishes very controversial articles, I am surprised that he is touting the Covaxstablishment’s narrative so blithely. I wonder if there is pressure being put on him and this website?

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @gnbRC
  51. @meamjojo

    I’m puzzled by the lack of numeric perspective too. 600K sounds enormous of course (more than WW1, WW2 and Vietnam combined!) but with an average age around 80, sorry but this is just not that big a deal. The Spanish flu, with young net producers getting whacked, was a big deal. If numbers hadn’t been scrupulously tracked and ballyhooed, this would be the pandemic that wasn’t.

    • Replies: @meamjojo
  52. Nancy says:

    Indeed, it does make me wonder. Perhaps there is more to Ron’s motivation than we now, or ever will, know. His willingness to put forth this position also opens up this great opportunity to offer our reasonable responses. And I don’t forget the ‘gift’ of all the ‘skeptics’ that this site provides. I think that by saying he ‘trusts’ NYT and WSJ et al, he’s hinting that maybe what he’s ‘learned’ isn’t to be given as much credibility as he’s seeming to give it.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
  53. Nancy says:
    @Mevashir

    Nice try. Is someone’s slip showing?

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  54. JimDandy says:
    @Tom Verso

    It’s completely ridiculous to assume that all excess deaths were from Covid. Suicides, drug overdoses, traffic fatalities (which I heard went up during the lockdowns,) murders, accelerated deaths among the elderly who suffered from the lockdowns in myriad ways, patients who were not able to get needed tests/surgeries because of lockdowns, conditions that worsened to fatal because of anxiety and stress, deaths associated with alcoholism… did all of these (and more) combined add up to a significant percentage of excess deaths? I don’t know. But I’d like to know. Does anyone know?

    And how do we know what percentage of doctors are vaccinated? Is that based on what doctors told pollsters? Is there proof? I’ve heard contradictory reports.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Tom Verso
  55. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    Didn’t Trump push to develop and fast track the vaccine? Is he also part of the Left? Or maybe the Left his brains behind crowd?

    Trump is not a medical pathologist. He was deceived by Fauci & BigPharma, just like many other people.

    You left your brains behind if you believe otherwise.

    What good is one dose of a two dose vaccine? Wouldn’t that count as technically “unvaccinated”?

    No. As usual, you are wrong on the a facts. Most of the resistance in a two dose series is from the first dose, roughly 70% – 30%.
    ___

    Here are a couple tips if you want to be taken seriously:
        [1] Know what you are talking about before you post
        [2] Stop reading VT. That #NeverTrump fiction site is rotting what little is left of your brain.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  56. Mevashir says:
    @meamjojo

    Regardless, the numbers are not “enormous” by any stretch of the imagination. 600k deaths over a 16 month period is not enormous. In fact, that number works out to be 0.19% of the total USA population. That’s 1/5 of 1%! You can’t get too much lower w/o hitting ZERO.

    But it is a 20% increase over the usual mortality rate. Does that constitute a pandemic or at least a public health crisis?

    Your point about people dying early is also good. If the extreme elderly and otherwise vulnerable have died one to two years prematurely because of covid is that truly a public health crisis? The whole approach of crippling the American economy in order to add a few months or years to the lives of people in their eighties and nineties seems Sinister to me. It’s a further example of how the extreme elderly are stealing scarce resources for their own needs to the detriment of everyone else.

    I think you raise a lot of good questions. It seems to me what has happened is the government has declared this a Public health emergency something akin to a war and they are demanding a certain level of sacrifice as part of the strategy to win the war. Their goal is short-term and not long term. Therefore they are not even considering long-term health consequences of the vaccine which admittedly are completely unknown.

    It seems their priority is to save the public health system from being overwhelmed. I don’t understand why they could not have built a series of army type field hospitals across the country to accommodate the covid patients. Surely this would have cost a fraction of the cost of shutting down the American economy for 12 months along with trillions of dollars of stimulus payments.

    If 50 to 100 million people died in the 1918 to 1919 flu pandemic, then covid seems laughably insignificant compared to that, especially considering that the global population is probably three times what it was 100 years ago.

    Another important problem is the fact that there are an enormous number of federal agencies with enormous budgets tasked for dealing with pandemics. And they all seem to have fallen flat on their faces. They seem to be making things up as they go in a totally ad-hoc manner without Rhyme or reason. Check out this article about the scandalous amount of money given away for federal pandemic preparedness that seems to have been totally and completely wasted:
    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2020/03/america-pandemic-response-swine-flu-avian

    Finally I would say that if Ron Unz is correct that covid 19 is an American biowarfare product, then our Public health response was crippled from the outset having to fight with one hand behind its back because for national security reasons it cannot be candid with the public. It’s like a person who goes to church seeking forgiveness but won’t confess the sins in question. Utter act of futility!

    • Agree: meamjojo
  57. @Roger

    1. Neither Unz nor Whitney discussed the monetary issues hugely at play in the USA: fairly early on, US federal government provided billions of taxpayer dollars to medical entrepreneurs — persons with medical “credentials” who were actually investors in medical technologies — who provided (actually, sold to governments for billions of $) gene-therapy mischaracterized as vaccines.

    2. Neither disputant discussed innate immunity: for thousands of years before vaccines or similarly-named medical technologies were conceived and sold, human beings endured diseases and survived them by means of the natural functioning of the human immune system.

    3. Mr. Unz states that he is “scientifically oriented” and bases his core arguments on statistics produced by CDC and others.
    Toward the conclusion of his comments, Mr. Unz concedes that US institutions have lied to and misinformed its people on numerous occasions, making the skepticism a reasonable position.
    But Unz remains totally committed to reliance in- and belief of- statistics produced by those same institutions, most notably, CDC.

    If one — a “crackpot anti-vaxxer,” for instance, does not trust the institutions & financially-involved experts who are producing the arguments and statistics that are at the core of the argument, then the pillar of the edifice is unsound; the First Premise does not support the weight of the argument.

    It is irrational to make a decision based on such a premise and argument, even moreso when that decision can have deadly consequences.

    Does a central government have the right to enforce health measures on its citizenry?

    Yes, when what is at stake is a genuine pubic health emergency.

    A disease from which 99% of those who contract it can and have survived (and more could, if other therapies were permitted and advocated as vocally as are gene-therapy vaccines), does not, in my mind, constitute a “public health emergency.”
    How very prescient of drafters of US Constitution to place such decisions in the hands of the people who have the most and best information — the individual himself (NOT physicians: opiod deaths jumped by nearly 30% in 2020; physicians prescribe these drugs. Physicians are under intense pressure to conform with mandates of their hospitals, insurance carriers, etc. They are not independent objective actors. You are on your own, Fellow Citizens; that is why rigorous critical thinking is more important than ever. Informed Consent should be your sine qua non.)

    Moreover, while Mr. Unz professes to be unconcerned about vaccines (and their long-term safety), some of us know our personal medical situations and are very much concerned; for example, women AND men of child-bearing age are right to be concerned about the effect of the gene-therapy vaccines on their ability to successfully bear healthy children, and seniors with a family history of brain hemorrhage or stroke have a responsibility to themselves AND TO fellow-taxpayers to be wary of possibility of blood clots consequent to injection with gene-therapy vaccine, inasmuch as hospitalization and treatment of such a hemorrhage can cost close to half-a-million Medicare dollars.

    • Agree: ThreeCranes, Kali, Sulu
    • Replies: @Realist
  58. @Mevashir

    Unz utilizes statistics and his claim that the Vaxx is 100X safer than Covid seems supported by statistical evidence.

    Yet he cites none. What’s your “100X safer … statistical evidence”?

    The same approach that leads him to claim that Covid was a biowarfare attack on China and Iran.

    Yep. Which, as already suggested, leads him — along with his now being stuck with the Pfizer product— away from evidence that he’s fallen hard for the hype.

    Anthrax is also weaponized. But no one would argue that Anthrax antidotes should not be taken in event of being attacked.

    And no one has. What’s your point?

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  59. VinceD says:

    “correlation is not cause….”

    The infamous fallacy – Post hoc ergo propter hoc – after therefore because of.

    “Ron seems not to know, nor to care about so many aspects of this GLOBAL POLITICAL crisis …”

    Right – right – what I’m missing here is the Social Credit system. That’s why people are being pressured to vaccinate. Guess what? The Social Credit system is far worse than COVID – so you can take the vaccine & stick it even if it were beneficial, which I doubt.

  60. @Brooklyn Dave

    I don’t agree with Ron on this issue but I wouldn’t doubt his integrity.

    If indeed he were adapting to outside pressure, then why would he allow the other side to speak at all?

    And….pointing his finger at the Deep State for the virus isn’t exactly supporting the establishment that wants to make war with China/Russia/Iran.

    • Agree: mark green
  61. QuEGs says:

    “Once people stop believing the media, they turn to their own favored sources, which can become echo-chambers based upon wishful thinking. ”

    Not fair. We have been inundated with echos from mainstream media for the last 18 months. In Toronto we have 680 news. Traffic and weather every 10 minutes. Since the start of this we have had updates at least every 5 minutes, always the same message, for 18 months. We are here because we are not in the Echo Chamber.

  62. Mevashir says:
    @Nancy

    Not mine. I was turned down for the Israeli Army because they considered me mentally unbalanced. You can’t work for Mossad if you haven’t been in the IDF first. 😘

    I think it is very possible RU works for MoeSad or is financed by them. His website must cost a small fortune to operate. The button that translates into languages such as Hebrew Chinese and Arabic is an extremely sophisticated software item. There are some deep pockets backing this project.

    The fact that he is impassive about the vaccine further suggests a MoeSad connection. Because so many Jews and Israeli executives are involved with the vaccine’s development and have enriched themselves off of this crisis. Ron only seems interested in whether covid was a biowarfare attack. He doesn’t care about the ensuing therapies and consequences.

    I would say all of these are tells for a MoeSad agent. סוחן מוסד

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @JohnnyWalker123
  63. Mevashir says:
    @Greta Handel

    My point is that if covid is a nefarious biiwarfare agent, once it has been dispersed into the environment it may be necessary to accept a vaccine type antidote. Even though the same forces that created the toxin created the vaccine as well. And it is very galling to enrich them.

  64. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    Your offer of peace is incredible considering how insulting passive aggressive and humiliating you are.

    Go back to your MoeSad office in Herzliya. חתיכת חרא piece of scheiß

    • LOL: A123
  65. @A123

    While what I read at MedPage stated that 74% of the Cape Cod Outbreak were fully vaccinated, and 80% of these were symptomatic, only five were hospitalized– four fully vaccinated.
    medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/93830?xid=NL_breakingnewsalert_2021-07-30&eun=g1543379d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CDCVaxBreakAlert_073021&utm_term=NL_Daily_Breaking_News_Active

    Interpretation as you note is difficult. There is a huge amount of natural immunity in the unvaccinated (probably in the vaccinated as well which likely changes those people’s immunity). Just as before the vaccinations, almost all deaths occur in the Elderly, with a small number of deaths in people with serious (usually multiple) co-morbidities– a good discussion of the CDC data at youtube.com/watch?v=cccSHUckGSQ .

    As you correctly note, we will know within three years if the vast majority of the excess 600,000 deaths in the Elderly from Covid-19 is almost entirely in the same cohort who would have died anyway over the next three to five years.

  66. @Herr Oberst Senf

    Common sense says many of these Elderly who make up the vast majority of Covid-19 deaths would have died over the next three to five years. We will have a much better idea at that time of the overlap in the Covid-19 death group and the “natural death” group. About 2.1 million Americans age 65 or older die each year; just a guess, but of the 500,000+ Americans in that group dying from Covid-19, the vast majority would have likely died anyway. And of course as bad as any death is, dying from cancer or Alzheimer’s can be more agonizing than dying relatively quickly from Covid-19.

    In most European countries excess deaths are only seen in the Elderly and younger age groups have less mortality than in a normal year due to the pandemic (decreased automobile accidents postulated as the explanation).

    Expect a large number of deaths from the delta variant; it spreads so much more effectively, and even if no more virulent, many more infections will result in many more hospitalizations and deaths, predominantly, but not exclusively as the media keeps spewing, in the unvaccinated.

  67. @Mevashir

    Finally I would say that if Ron Unz is correct that covid 19 is an American biowarfare product, then our Public health response was crippled from the outset having to fight with one hand behind its back because for national security reasons it cannot be candid with the public.

    Imagine what Trump’s intelligence briefings would have looked like if there was a CIA faction involved in the first strike and the agency’s prime directive is to protect the agency and keep their dispute in the house. They would perhaps be unintelligible.

    • Replies: @Nancy
  68. @Mevashir

    It seems their priority is to save the public health system from being overwhelmed.

    I don’t trust statistics from Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School, nor CDC (and University of Washington that Mr Unz relies upon [“University of Washington argue that nearly a million Americans have already died of Covid. . . .” — Bill Gates Sr. was enormously involved in University of Washington:

    “Bill [Gates] Sr. served 15 years on the UW Board of Regents from 1997 to 2012 (being pronounced a regent emeritus at the end of his term), and as chair of the UW Foundation Board from 2001 to 2006. He also served on the UW Medical Center board, numerous committees, and was chair of the $2.68 billion Campaign UW: Creating Futures (2000-2008) and an honorary chair of the $6.3 billion Be Boundless – For Washington, For the World campaign (2010-2020).”

    ]

    None of these sources are free of entangling loyalties or financial interest.

    OTOH
    What my lyin’ eyes told me:

    On the day that the gov. of PA declared Lockdown across the state, I visited a local hospital. At 3:30 pm the parking lot was empty. No ambulances in the Emergency bay. The buses that shuttle medical staff were idling, empty. No people around, except for an employee who was just leaving for a meal break. He told me “the beds are empty; we are being fired or laid off. It’s like a ghost town.”

    It happened that subsequently I had medical treatments in another hospital over a 6 week period. That hospital, too, was Empty. In the last week of my treatments, staff was all abuzz: “They are re-opening the second floor.”

    Over the course of 2020 I visited at least 5 large regional health centers. They were empty. You couldn’t get past the front door — only pharmacies were functioning, and they would make you call in and wait in your car for someone to hand you a bag with your medicines. Whole departments were completely shut down: you need glasses? Optometry Dept. was CLOSED. Surgery that was scheduled 3 months ago? So sorry: outpatient surgery is shut down, you’ll be contacted to re-schedule. Physical Therapy? Here’s the phone number, call TeleMedicine. Neurosurgery consult? Telemedicine.
    It was surreal.

    The panic over “overcrowded hospitals” was, shall we say, Overstated.

    • Agree: meamjojo, mike99588
    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  69. Mevashir says:
    @Greta Handel

    Yet he cites none. What’s your “100X safer … statistical evidence”?

    He cites simple mortality statistics that show that the death rate from covid is 100 times greater than the death rate from the vaccine. Doesn’t that count as a statistic for you?

    However I also have read reports that large numbers of people have died from the vaccine but are not being reported as vaccine related. And similarly that the covid death toll was greatly exaggerated.

    I got the JJ vaccine four months ago and I’ve had continuous muscle and nerve pain in my vaccine arm. I had two months of physical therapy that made almost no difference. I got the vaccine as a concession to family and social pressure despite my reluctance and apprehension. I do not intend to get any boosters or any follow-up vaccines in the future. I’ve learned a hard lesson.

    Concerning Ron’s possible MoeSad connection, consider that if he is correct that covid was a biowarfare attack on China and Iran, who do you suppose did the dirty dispersal deed inside Iran if not his friends from MoeSad? It’s almost as though Ron is bragging about the diabolical reach of Ziokikestan and it’s Judeoconartist Christian Zionist supporters in ZOAG.

  70. MGB says:
    @Tom Verso

    Agree. This is some of the most casually dishonest horse bleep I have seen. Plucky little Ron pretends as if nothing else of consequence was going on for the past 18 months. No elderly LTC residents having medical treatment deferred. No elderly being prevented from having contact with their loved ones. No increasing rates of obesity, depression, etc. No dipshit governors pulling the ill from hospitals and returning them to LTC facilities. No forced deadly treatment by ventilator. No increase in deaths by ‘unintentional injury’ primarily a euphemism for drug overdose. Not the least curiosity if shifting demographics had an impact on increased deaths. The cdc numbers appear to show less than the anticipated deaths for several years prior to 2020. What does this mean when analyzing excess deaths? The cdc and others spend years teasing out death numbers from the seasonal flu at best coming up with a wide range of estimates but he knows now what the numbers mean. No wait! The Economist knows! Who’d they ask, Niall Ferguson?

  71. Mevashir says:
    @Insouciant

    Your experiences are amazing. Maybe we’re all dead and living inside purgatory and this covid situation is part of the tortures of purgatory we have to go through in order to merit entering heaven?

    • LOL: meamjojo
  72. Realist says:
    @Insouciant

    Some of Ron Unz’s positions lack logic.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  73. 26.2 says:
    @Skip Scott

    Thank you, Agree completely. And why is public comment or debate or information regarding early treatment protocols censored and removed from public view? Mention the “I” word and go to FB jail. What of “right to try” especially a treatment with a 40 year safety record? Let the proponents of each treatment show their data, make their case. Let all who choose their own personal direction be completely informed of risks and benefits. Forcing an entire population to take an experimental procedure regardless of personal risk/benefit when there are other ways to protect oneself and one’s society is despotism. Force a vaccine? Perhaps we will next consider forcing all to eat a healthful diet, exercise regularly, maintain a healthy weight, stop smoking, and get sufficient sleep. And who would decide what that looks like?

    • Agree: Nancy, meamjojo
  74. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    No. As usual, you are wrong on the a facts. Most of the resistance in a two dose series is from the first dose, roughly 70% – 30%.

    One of the purposes of the discussion threads is to educate each other. That’s the point of questions and answers and the dialectical method. You don’t need to be insulting. I didn’t assert that one vaccine dose out of 2 is worthless; I merely asked the question.

    As far as Trump being duped by Fauci, more whining and victim playing. Trump had access to superb medical advice. He had many people clamoring about ivermectin and other therapies. He could have fired Fauci if he wanted to. But as usual he’s all Bluff and bluster, all bark and no bite. VT’s McDuff claims Trump is a long-running bisexual who was intimately involved with Epstein. And of course don’t forget his fggt Jew Mentor Roy Cohn. So if Trump is a fggt pretending to be a man, no wonder he crumbled in the face of Fauci.

    I’m surprised that you are a covid skeptic considering you’re a die-hard Zionist supporter and apologist. Israel had extreme forms of lockdown and extreme vaccination campaigns. Israeli companies were involved in vaccine development and self-enrichment. What do you have to say to all of that?

    The Israelis refused to provide vaccines to the Palestinians on the West Bank and other occupied territories. Wouldn’t it be ironic if in the next 5 years 80% of Israeli Jews die from vaccine complications and the Palestinians are left to take over the region. True Divine Justice InshAllah!!!

    SALAAM 🤠 😘 🎯

    • Replies: @A123
    , @A123
  75. They need everyone to take it. They know there are severe fertility and autoimmune issues with these drugs. The unvaxxed are the control group. In a few years, when all the side effects are obvious, they cannot have 50% of the population highlighting the terrible problems. If they get everyone jabbed, then they can blame side effects on “long Covid”. If a large percentage of people are not jabbed, then it will be too obvious what the cause is.

    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  76. JimDandy says:
    @Anonymous

    I’m shocked by that line of reasoning coming from someone as intelligent and aware as Ron. We live in a society where “the experts” are saying that gender should not be put on birth certificates, that there are no I.Q. disparities between races, etc.

    • Agree: Catdog, Sulu
  77. Realist says:
    @Mevashir

    Didn’t Trump push to develop and fast track the vaccine? Is he also part of the Left?

    As I have said so many times on this blog…Trump was a Deep State minion. There is no left or right, they are two sides of the Deep State coin.

    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the two parties as long as their important issues are advanced (wealth and power). As a matter of fact, it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting. In fact, we live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

    • Agree: Kali
  78. jxh says:

    One big problem with total lockdown, is that it’s only temporary, especially in a cosmopolitan area. You may locally kill off the virus, but it can return just as fast as soon as a few infected people wander in.

  79. nickels says:

    I had the first go around and the little cousin.
    They are certainly serious bugs, no doubt about it.
    I survived them.
    My 86 year old parents survived them.

    Its pretty lame how everyone goes on and on about how great evolution is, there is no God, lets fornicate and murder our unborn children– we evolved out of the slime and could just have easily jumped up out of a plate of pancakes…..
    But then the second natural selection takes over for real and starts pruning the weak lunged fat a** retards and making them choke in their own slime, everyone is like ‘Oh no! this is so horrible! lock down, protect the innocent!!!’

    losers.

    Nobody died didn’t have it coming.

  80. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    The Israelis refused to provide vaccines to the Palestinians on the West Bank and other occupied territories.

    Another pathetic lie: (1)

    Reluctance and distrust define vaccine attitudes in Gaza

    More than five months since the arrival of the first batch of COVID-19 jabs in the Gaza Strip, the vaccine rollout in the besieged coastal enclave has been met with general distrust and, in many cases, outright refusal.

    According to data from Gaza’s health ministry, some 98,000 people – or just less than five percent of the two million population – have so far received a shot.

    Some 336,300 vaccine doses have also been donated from various countries, including Russia and the United Arab Emirates, as well as through the global COVAX programme.

    The Muslim Occupation in Judea & Samaria has more doses than it can administer.

    Fauci has taken how much money from BigPharma?
    Why do you believe him?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/23/reluctance-and-distrust-defome-vaccine-attitudes-in-gaza

  81. @Insouciant

    It seems their priority is to save the public health system from being overwhelmed.

    I don’t trust statistics from [fill in the blank.]

    None of these sources are free of entangling loyalties or financial interest.

    OTOH
    What my lyin’ eyes told me: [what you observed in Pennsylvania].

    The panic over “overcrowded hospitals” was, shall we say, Overstated.

    It’ll depend on where you are. While we’re not the panicking type, in my local region of Red State flyover country before the vaccine it got so bad there were no free COVID-19 isolation beds for 150 miles in all directions and patient care suffered. Now we’re exceeding our local numbers but there’s more overflow available within that 150 miles, I presume because while vaccine hesitancy, hospitalization, and just recently deaths in the younger is very high in the local region, it’s not so bad within 150 miles and then like last time there are still beds available beyond that radius.

    As our host noted, the NYC area got very bad in the first wave (there was a lot of bad Team Cuomo policy behind that, in addition to out of control transmission part of which was also Cuomo’s Final Solution to the Medicaid Problem (a budget buster that’s among other things the last resort payer for the indigent in nursing homes)). Aesop of the Raconteur Report blog also reported Southern Califorina getting to the edge and a bit beyond in a fall and beyond wave, and there are more reports like that. On the other hand in exurban Maryland one of my best friends continues to report their never having reached such extremes.

  82. Realist says:
    @Kali

    Yes, Ron seems very conflicted on this issue. The whole pandemic scam was engineered to cause fear in the populace thereby providing control.

    • Agree: Kali
  83. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    #48 — Didn’t Trump push to develop and fast track the vaccine? Is he also part of the Left? Or maybe the Left his brains behind crowd?

    #74 — One of the purposes of the discussion threads is to educate each other. That’s the point of questions and answers and the dialectical method. You don’t need to be insulting.

    Why were you insulting up at #48?
    Why are you complaining in #74 about being treated the way that you treat others?

    Let me introduce a new word to your vocabulary that you desperately need to learn — hypocrisy.

    Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another or the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one’s own behavior does not conform.

    Let us know when you are ready to stop leading with insults. As long as you open with deliberately offense contra-factual jibes, you should expect to be treated as you deserve… roughly.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  84. @RoatanBill

    I agree. I have great suspicion of doctors and Big Pharma. I haven’t seen a GP in 15 years, and I’m 65.
    I was forced due to my job to get a physical when I turned 50. I retired the same year.

    I think I can get Ivermectin at Tractor Supply in paste form as a dewormer for horses. I’d have to calculate to 12mg/per day I’d need were I to get sick. I think I can find better avenues need be.

    In the end we are all personally responsible for our individual health. I pray for our future as a species.

    • Replies: @Charlie
  85. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @Kali

    “But Ron bought all of it, hook, line and sinker, because he neither knows nor cares to know about anything other than the origins of this aledged, sequenced by computer model, but never ever isolated “virus” – He’s in it for the scoop.
    His fixation with being the first to expose the “American Deep State” as the culprits caused him to abandon his dedication to Pravda along with his critical thinking faculties and, given his “fully vaxxed” status, even his common sense.”

    Yes, that’s about the size of it. Then there’s this:

    “But on the other hand, I still think that the evidence from China clearly proves that lockdowns can work, if implemented properly.”

    …coupled with this:

    “I tend not to be overly focused on constitutional or ideological questions.”

    Sounds to me like Mr Unz needs to move to China, or N. Korea. It all confirms my long held, though previously unconfirmed suspicions about Mr Unz. Very, very sad.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Dystopian, W
    • Thanks: Kali
  86. I’ve done some analysis of 21st C death rates (adjusted for age and population for the country of Wales, population about 3m.

    In the old world, the first wave of Covid to leave China very much targetted former or current steel producing areas for reasons not explained (contact with Wuhan?). Wuhan itself, Qom, Lombardy, Toledo/Madrid, Lorraine and South Wales.

    Wales locked down early and hard during the first UK wave and did so again for the winter wave, both Alpha. Compliance with lockdown, social distancing and mask wearing was essentially complete. These measures appear to have worked in constraining death rates. Wales had the death rate of 2010. Less compliant, slow to lock down, England’s death rates went back to 2003 (not shown) a much deadlier time.

    Variations in death rates since 2011 have been small. 2019 was low. The population of particularly vulnerable old people probably grew. The fat old men over 80 with diabetes who survived 2019 were there for Covid in 2020. 2019 and 2020 taken together would show no particular excess deaths. There are of course vulnerable people with a greater number of Quality Adjusted Life Years in front of them than the old and fat. Younger T2 diabetics, people with Downs Syndrome, Cancer patients and others on immunosuppressants, the very fit (athletes and weight trainers – their immune systems are suppressed, steroids don’t help).

    This chart does not include figures from 2021 which had variable levels of vaccination, now at 82% in England and 95% in Wales. The few still dying are largely fat old men who refused vaccination. There are however, uncountably many claiming to suffer from Long Covid. They are aided and abetted by medical practioners feeling a new speciality coming on. There are are genuine caes of Long Covid but some people (me) take months to recover from epidemic flu too (a year for swine flu).

    SARS2 managed with lockdowns, social distancing and the debatable value of masks hardly made a blip. Lockdown was probably worth doing because nobody knew how it was going to work out in the end. We could have had a 1918 style disease on our hands (or the 1890 Russian flu now thought to have been a corona virus). We now know that the vaccinated are not on the whole in mortal danger. The diabetic, the fat, the overtrained athletes who refuse vaccines are the people in mortal danger and selfishly abuse the health service.

    • Disagree: Tony Hall
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  87. @Daniel Fremen

    The term immunization is used for vaccines that virtually eliminate the risk of reinfection (this is biology, nothing is 100%). You may remember that early in the epidemic, it was said that no vaccine had ever been developed for a coronavirus. If you demand immunization from a vaccine, that is still true. What is happened is that the vaccines are reducing the severity of infections (doubly vaccinated people through the incubation period are not dying in the UK) and the amount of transmission, even by the Delta variant. Still prudent to wear a mask or better a respirator (N95 is OK) in crowded situations like a commuter train though provided you know how to manage one). Basically hand sanitizer every time you touch it).

    • Agree: Iris
  88. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    Why were you insulting up at #48?
    Why are you complaining in #74 about being treated the way that you treat others?

    I was insulting to Trump not to you in comment number 48. Why do you take it so personally? Are you really committed to him as a person of honesty and integrity? I believe Trump deserves every conceivable kind of insult but his supporters deserve even more.

    As long as you open with deliberately offense [sic] contra-factual jibes, you should expect to be treated as you deserve… roughly.

    “deliberately offensive” perhaps? I guess Herzliya’s ESL training for its sayanim has some flaws. Or maybe their recruiting standards are slipping.

    You completely dodge my question about Israel’s intensive advocacy of lockdowns and vaccinations and it’s self enrichment through the pharmaceutical industries that it controls. Instead you defend their administering the vaccine to people in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. If you so admire Israel’s covid response via Draconian lockdowns and forced vaccinations, why do you criticize the very same policies here in the United States?

    I don’t claim to have all the answers or completely credible information. But I think I’ve made a great contribution by asking the right kinds of questions because ultimately that’s all any of us can do.

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  89. @anonymous

    Depends which vax. For AZ some young women may form blood clots. Not necessarily deadly, 3 from a billion total doses so far at most if proven. Far less of a risk than a contraceptive pill. Their risk of catching SARS2 is also very low. Few ACE2 receptors 9most are on a diet) like young children. Thus, in the UK, all under 30s are receiving the much more expensive Pfizer jab.

  90. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    Is the website you feature next to your name A123 your own or just a website you admire?
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

    This quote tells us all we need to know about you:

    President Trump supported America-First, and President Lopez-Obrador supported Mexico-First; neither Trump nor AMLO put corporate needs in front of their citizens.

    • Replies: @A123
  91. Nancy says:
    @meamjojo

    What if the ‘faux vax’ isn’t even necessary? What if HCQ+, IVM etc had been used (on the precautionary principle) early, prophylactically, and even for hospitalized – the numbers might have been dramatically lower. But, who would have wanted that… ? (There is even evidence that IVM is beneficial for ‘long haul covid’ recovery… but who wants to do that research and help those victims?) Who, indeed, actually wants to save lives? Cui bono…

  92. Nancy says:
    @Morton's toes

    Perhaps not, if doctors feel free to practice medicine for the benefit of their patients, i.e., early IVM, vit D, etc. Why is this not on the radar with the ‘faux vax’ ? Hmmm…. gov. suppression? Why?

  93. @Realist

    Some of all of our positions lack logic. We are all on the inside of a governments’ intelligence agencies hall of mirrors trying to make what sense we can. I do not agree with Unz’ conclusions, but the various accusations of bad faith I see tossed about are just chickenshit.

    If there was a chickenshit toggle button I would have exhausted my click quota in this thread.

    • Replies: @Realist
  94. meamjojo says:

    Here’s a riddle for y’all: Per the CDC website, over 100 million people in the USA have already had Covid and survived it over the past 16 months. These people must have developed antibodies to the virus, even if they were vaccinated with the mRNA/DNA vaccines.

    Logically, if you can demonstrate Covid antibodies, then there shouldn’t be any need to get vaccinated.

    But that throws a wrench into black & white vaccinated/unvaccinated augment, no? And how would the so-called “vaccine passports” work for those with positive Covid antibodies who choose not to get an unneeded vaccine? Does a positive antibody test qualify you for a vaccine passport?

  95. QuEGs says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    If one reads our local college and professional association in Canada, it would be assumed that the majority of physicians support medical treatment for persons who do not believe they are the sex that was assigned at birth. Not one of us dares to object. For good reason.

  96. EoinW says:
    @Robinski

    India flatten its curve with ivermectin. The stats on areas which used the drug compared to areas which went with mass vaccinations is shocking. There is no question ivermectin works. If we had given everyone the drug, instead of vaxxing them, then the pandemic would now be done. Instead we are facing break through cases and a more deadly pandemic being fueled by mRNA “vaccines”.

    • Agree: mike99588
  97. How dangerous could the virus be if only 4300 Chinese died due to a massive lockdown, and even now they are not vaxxing? Do you really believe that IF western nations had emulated China, that the Covid pandemic would have been eliminated? If the vaccines are not eliminating Covid disease spread, and hospitalizations and deaths are highest in the countries with highest percentage vaccination—-then why double down on failing approaches? Either the Chinese are lying, or are genetically relatively protected, or western nations need to abandon vaxxing and emulate the Asian nations.

    Why are safe and inexpensive meds [ivermectin, HCQ, vitamin D] ridiculed and their proponents canceled? Why are the tech giants hewing to the pharma/government narrative and agenda?

    Why are so many documented deaths by vaccine, unprecedented numbers, continuing without the ‘vaccines’ being pulled from global distribution and utilization?

    And why is no one investigating and reporting on outrageous ‘gain of function’ experimentation and weaponization, likely the cause of all this dreadful mess?

  98. meamjojo says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    And this is part of the problem! There are many people who have drawn their conclusions and made their stand based on limited data or not even data at all, just assumptions as Ron alludes to. If you can’t take the time to research sometime, then you shouldn’t rubber stamping that thing.

  99. EoinW says:
    @notbe

    Is it a pandemic or isn’t it a pandemic? It seems 21st century culture wants a pandemic in which no one dies. In a real pandemic the death totals don’t jump half a million, they DOUBLE! Sweden has had between 89k & 95k for the last 30 years. Their 2020 death total was 96,000. That is not a pandemic.

    I am not denying a serious health crisis. I am challenging this idea humans can stop a coronavirus from killing lots of people. It is clearly a respiratory virus which means everyone will be exposed to it. No one can hide from it. Lockdowns are pointless. What authority should have done is encourage people to boost their immune system with vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc. They should also have encourage the use of HCQ and ivermectin, not restricted their use. Instead we get vaccines which likely compromise immune systems.

    I’m sorry some people are going to die from covid. However we are all meant to die. Consider the average age for covid deaths is 82. Doesn’t that change ones perspective on this half million deaths number?

    • Agree: Dieter Kief, Fox
  100. Ron Unz says:
    @Mevashir

    I think it is very possible RU works for MoeSad or is financed by them.

    LOL.

    His website must cost a small fortune to operate.

    Thanks for the kind words, but I just built it myself.

    The button that translates into languages such as Hebrew Chinese and Arabic is an extremely sophisticated software item. There are some deep pockets backing this project.

    I’d say you’re half-right. It’s supposedly based upon very sophisticated AI technology, and probably cost tens of millions, perhaps even hundreds of millions to develop. It’s called “Google Translate.” However, it only took me a couple of days to integrate it into the website.

    • Thanks: Nancy
    • LOL: Mark Hunter
  101. meamjojo says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Gross numbers are used when you want to shock people. 600k sounds like a lot to the most people but everything is relative, so what you are comparing against is important. In this case, the comparator is the total population of the USA, so 600k isn’t a very large relatively speaking, as the very small percentage number of 0.19 shows.

    Adding together the dead numbers from various wars as some measure of relative magnitude makes no sense at all as there is no connection Covid dead and war dead.

    Yet you watch the news shows and you’ll come away believing that the sky is falling, people are dropping dead in the street and you have to walk over them and if you get Covid, it is a guaranteed death sentence. None of which is true.

    • Agree: johnnyuinta
    • Replies: @johnnyuinta
  102. Most Americans don’t realize their media is just corporate propaganda. Here is a brilliant 30-minute video interview with a famous professor discussing propaganda. He notes the recent COVID propaganda campaign is the largest in American history.

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/26/watch-perspectives-on-the-pandemic-17/

  103. @Robert Dolan

    For some reason Youtube allows this expert to warn of vaccine dangers.

    In February, 2021, Professor Sucharit Bhakdi, M.D. and a number of his colleagues warned the European Medicines Agency about the potential danger of blood clots and cerebral vein thrombosis in millions of people receiving experimental gene-based injections.

    Since then, two of the four injections have been suspended or recalled in Europe and the United States for just that reason.

    In this episode of Perspectives, Professor Bhakdi explains the science behind the problem, why it is not just limited to the products already suspended, and why in the long term we may be creating dangerously overactive immune systems in billions of unwitting subjects.

    • Thanks: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  104. EoinW says:

    It may have began as a health crisis, however authority taking advantage of the situation to end our free society has turned this into a political battle. To make things worse, doctors decided to abandon their Hippocratic Oath by calling “safe” experimental vaccines which, by all medical standards, cannot be called safe.

    Going forward, the fight is now the 99% trying to recover their normal lives against the 1% who wish to create a neo-feudal society. It is also a crisis in credibility as the medical community has shown its worst side. Does Big Pharma own them all?

    Lost in all this is covid. Of course if it is a pandemic then it should be playing itself out before next winter. Unless the vaxxed and their spike proteins are going to give covid a second and more lethal wind. Keep an eye on the break through cases. They will determine what comes next in this health crisis.

  105. So America had more than 500,000 “excess deaths” during 2020,

    Deaths jumped by 500,000 in 2020 but the CDC says 344,323 persons died from COVID in 2020.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/health_policy/Leading-Causes-of-Death-for-2015-2020.pdf

    More died from smoking related illnesses. Thousands of the excess deaths were attributed to delayed medical care due to lock downs.

    The guy below researched COVID deaths and determined that most counties reported COVID deaths by comparing death reports with a database of those who tested positive for COVID. This wildly over reported COVID deaths because the actual cause of death was not factored.

  106. Anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron Unz is an American hero, but I think most of his arguments here are nothing more than the appeal to authority logical fallacy. He relies on the AMA’s statistic that 95%+ of doctors have been vaccinated, but remember when the heads of the CDC and NIH informed the senate that only 50% of their staff had been vaccinated? That should also be a meaningful statistic. The AMA said gender should not be listed on birth certificates, and most doctors I know are not even members of the AMA and consider the organization to be a joke. If you look at the actual means by which the vaccine trials were conducted, the fact that they failed to take seasononality into account, did not test for deaths, contagion, disease, etc., and only tested for blood oxygen levels, had no difference in deaths in comparison placebo, it is quite plausible that the trials were simply flawed from the beginning. I think Ron would highly benefit from studying how the vaccine trials were conducted, rather than simply say “Let me reemphasize, I don’t know or care anything about vaccines, certainly including the Covid vaccines. I have absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject, any more than I bother researching the details of an automobile engine if I just want to drive a car somewhere.” You’re not driving a vaccine – you’re injecting it.

  107. Josh Kenn says:

    Call me a crackpot if you want, but I have a degree in biochemistry and a purple heart.

  108. Adrian says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    I also looked at that and wrote this before I saw your post:

    Ron Unz Said:

    I don’t claim to know anything about vaccines, any more than I know anything about car engines, so I tend to leave those specialized topics to the experts who do.  For vaccines, I’m sure medical doctors know the relative risks far better than other people.  The AMA has 240,000 members and is America’s main professional association for doctors, and after surveying a sample, they claimed that 96% of physicians had already been fully vaccinated by early June, suggesting that the total is probably now more like 98% or 99%.  If almost all the doctors in America have decided to get vaccinated, that’s good enough for me.

    The sample size in this survey was 301, that is about 0.12 % of the claimed total membership. of the AMA. To claim on that basis that 96% of American physicians got vaccinated is somewhat overhasty, to say the least.

    I looked at the relevant report https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vaccination-study-topline-report.pdf and it is clear to this sociologist that they have not seriously addressed the question regarding the representativeness of their sample. What is more , the way they present their data seems to suggest that they wish to imply a representativeness which is not there.

    A far more conservative medical association, the AAPS, did its own survey of which the results are presented below. It is difficult to find reliable information on this group. One opponent claims that it is only a fringe group with about 5,000- members and Wikipedia does its usual hatchet job on a group that does not serve the agenda of Big Pharma. But for what it is wortth they organised their own survey which has at least a bigger sample size (700 as compared to 301). They fully acknowledge that they are not dealing here with a random sample (and righty remark that neither did the other folk). The survey consisted of a questionnaire that was placed on the internet so it is not necessarily a survey of their members.

    Here are their results:

    Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID.
    This contrasts with the claim by the American Medical Association that 96 percent of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated. This was based on 300 respondents.
    Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.

    “It is wrong to call a person who declines a shot an ‘anti-vaxxer,’” states AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D. “Virtually no physicians are ‘anti-antibiotics’ or ‘anti-surgery,’ whereas all are opposed to treatments that they think are unnecessary, more likely to harm than to benefit an individual patient, or inadequately tested.”
    The AAPS survey also showed that 54 percent of physician respondents were aware of patients suffering a “significant adverse reaction.” Of the unvaccinated physicians, 80 percent said “I believe risk of shots exceeds risk of disease,” and 30% said “I already had COVID.”
    Other reasons for declining the shot included unknown long-term effects, use of aborted fetal tissue, “it’s experimental,” availability of effective early treatment, and reports of deaths and blood clots.
    Of 560 practicing physicians, 56 percent said they offered early treatment  for COVID.
    Nonphysicians were also invited to participate in the survey. Of some 5,300 total participants, 2,548 volunteered comments about associated adverse effects of which they were aware. These included death, amputation, paralysis, stillbirth, menstrual irregularities, blindness, seizures, and heart issues.
    “Causality is not proven. However, many of these episodes might have resulted in a huge product liability or malpractice award if they had occurred after a new drug,” stated Dr. Orient. “Purveyors of these COVID products are protected against lawsuits.”            
    The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons has represented physicians in all specialties since 1943. Its motto is omnia pro aegroto, everything for the patient.

    • Thanks: Morton's toes, Kali, Nancy
    • Replies: @Adrian
  109. Nancy says:

    I have bought it on Amazon – easy peasy. Google Dr. Pierre Kory for more information on the latest research and trial results. Check out ‘trialsite’ also.

  110. @Mevashir

    I got the JJ vaccine four months ago and I’ve had continuous muscle and nerve pain in my vaccine arm. I had two months of physical therapy that made almost no difference.

    Lucky for you you didn’t get the Moderna or Pfizer injections, which apparently are the worst of the lot.

    Meanwhile, it seems that the same measures which mitigate the effects of the alleged Corona Chan bug also limit the “vaccine” injuries. Aside from all the immune-boosting supplements like C & D & Zinc & Selenium & Magnesium & Quercetin & seaweed & mushrooms, Ivermectin is something to consider if you’re not a “vaccine” true believer (or even if you are, if you’d like your arm to recover).

    My own advice to myself would include Resveratrol to limit cellular damage and blood clots, and Zeolite Clinoptilolite to chelate that shit out of my body as fast as possible.

    • Thanks: Mevashir, Erebus
  111. Mike Whitney >>> Ron Unz

  112. @BuelahMan

    “so taking the vaccine is more than 100x safer than getting Covid, and is almost certainly the smart thing to do, at least for people over 40 or with health problems.”

    Ridiculous bullshit.

    Indeed, there are so many angles to this that one could call BS on.

    Even if we allow the underlying premise that the “vaccines” are “safe” (which they most certainly are not), exactly the same thing could be said about eating oysters from a bucket because a government beauracrat says it’s good for us. Which the “vaccines” are not – even the CDC and all of the “vaccine” manufacturers have admitted from day one that their “vaccines” neither prevent the infection nor the spread of the alleged Corona Chan bug. So what good are they, exactly?

    The only thing that they have proven to be effective at, is maiming and killing people all over the world.

    And making shitloads – mountains – of absolutely risk-free profits for Big Pharma.

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  113. TKK says:

    There is no way to “true up” the following facts with the dire edicts about Covid:

    1) Why aren’t we frantically stopping the 150K + UNVACCINATED illegal immigrants that are flooding over the southern border each month? That is 1.8 million cases of possible COVID that…don’t matter?

    2) Why are international flights from all over the world still arriving in the US daily, and have been for one year, and NO ONE in the TSA checks their vaccine status or COVID test results? (If you don’t believe it, go to the international arrivals gate and be amazed).

    3) Why did Dr. Fauci state “it was not his place” to tell BLM protestors to wear masks while shoulder to shoulder shouting in the streets?

    This is not mere mishandling of a public health crisis. Pulling up the moat bridge is as old as the Black Death in stopping plagues. But, we open the gates and then order arrests for the useless, completely non scientific act of wearing masks. It is all theater.

    NOTE: The Delta variant is nothing more than the virus mutation from India. It is allegedly more contagious because of its robust protein spikes.

    See this NON political breakdown which is well worth your time:

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  114. @Mevashir

    “I got the JJ vaccine four months ago and I’ve had continuous muscle and nerve pain in my vaccine arm. I had two months of physical therapy that made almost no difference. I got the vaccine as a concession to family and social pressure despite my reluctance and apprehension. I do not intend to get any boosters or any follow-up vaccines in the future. I’ve learned a hard lesson.”

    I’m sorry to learn of your suffering, Mevashir. I hope you ultimately recover completely. It’s tough when family pressures cause us to do what we would otherwise not. I am in full sympathy with you and your situation.

    Again, my best wishes for a full recovery.

    Thanks for sharing.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  115. Mark G. says:
    @Skip Scott

    Thanks for bringing it up. In addition, IMHO there should be better early outpatient care with Ivermectin. Just sending folks home to get sicker and THEN treating them is negligence that rises to criminality.

    I was in the hospital five days with Covid and felt after I left that there should have been some form of early treatment available that kept me out of the hospital. The Remdesivir I received in the hospital was very expensive and had to be given by IV which meant staying in the hospital for five days, which was also very expensive. I was lucky my health insurance covered it.

    I was sick for a week and a half before going in the hospital so there was certainly plenty of time for early treatment. I had read the stories on the internet about doctors telling the infected to go back home until the disease got worse so I didn’t go to a doctor. I tried self-treatment with quercetin, zinc, and vitamin d but it didn’t prevent the disease from progressing in my case. I’m fairly old, 65, and a month previously had a serious injury which had left me in a weakened condition.

    After I got out of the hospital, I was talking to a local health food store owner and he told me I could have gotten HCQ from a doctor whose name could have been provided by America’s Frontline Doctors. If I had been able to get HCQ or Ivermectin or both it might have kept me out of the hospital.

    • Thanks: TKK
  116. JimDandy says:
    @Anon

    I have lots of questions about that 95% stat. For instance, are doctors are allowed to self-“inoculate”–or “inoculate” each other within doctor friend circles?

  117. Erebus says:
    @Roger

    “…the Chinese government took very strong and decisive action early on, shut down their entire economy, confined 700 million Chinese to their homes, and totally stamped out the virus. So within a few months, life in China went back to being almost entirely normal for nearly the whole population, without lockdowns or other serious restrictions.”

    Without lockdowns or other serious restrictions? Or is this meant to read, there were no more lockdowns and other serious restrictions after the initial lockdown and other serious restrictions? If two or three months of 700 million people being unable to leave their homes is not a ‘lockdown’ or a ‘serious restriction’, then I do not know what is.

    There seems to be a lot of misinformation between your and Ron’s quotes.

    There was no lockdown affecting 700M people that lasted for “two or three months”. Wuhan itself went through a 2 wk process of easing that culminated in full opening in the first week of April, 2020, 2.5 mos after the ramp up started. The rest of the country had long been open by then. EG: Guangdong’s offices re-opened Mar 2, with factories following 2 wks later. I flew from Shenzhen to Shanghai in late March, and visited a couple of nearby provinces during the trip. Passing dozens of temp measuring stations and filling out a (short) health declaration on arrival and at my hotels were the only impediments to my trip.

    More importantly, I also dispute Ron’s and others’ contention that lockdowns were the primary, much less sole reason for China’s success. They were abandoned as soon as results from the other facets of China’s response strategy started paying dividends.

    When it became clear Wuhan was in trouble, China’s first response was to shut down public transport within, and in & out of the city. Huanggang, Ezhou and other Hubei cities followed in quick succession. The shutdown extended from public to private transport as people fled the city by private vehicle. It was announced that ~5M got out overall, most to hometowns in Hubei.

    So, China’s first response was to literally go medieval – a cordon sanitaire around Wuhan, then other cities and finally the entire province. The lockdowns can be viewed as the logical, if extreme tightening of the initially larger, but leaky cordons. It must be remembered that 100s of millions of people were on the move throughout China and getting around cordons and the like was a national sport. Or was, cordon running is now socially unacceptable.

    I would therefore further contend that the primary reason that the other provinces went almost directly to lockdown was to short-circuit Hubei’s experience, and to send a unifying message that “we’re all Hubei now”.

    The most medically important result of that is it freed up ex-Hubei resources and allowed China to airlift 1,000s of badly needed medical personnel and equipment into Hubei from other provinces. Hubei’s health systems were being overwhelmed and a collapse would have been catastrophic. The airlift help save it, and the other lockdowns assured other provincial govts that their resources could be commandeered safely.

    After the re-opening, the most noticeable feature was the ubiquitous temp checks, which segues to another one of China’s other strategic decisions. Namely, in mid-Feb 2020 China abandoned PCR testing in favour of clinical diagnosis to track disease spread. The PCR test was relegated to part of an early warning system alongside temperature checks. Only professional diagnosis (usually incl a CT scan) became the gold standard in determining who had Covid and who didn’t. With that switch to real, clinical data public health authorities were able to bring the scope and scale of the epidemic into focus without getting lost in the statistical noise generated by PCR testing.

    The switch enabled China’s hospitals & doctors to focus on clinical treatment of real cases and to encourage them to share case histories, successes and failures with hospitals & doctors across the country. Every lab and researcher in the field naturally pitched in. This they did with professional enthusiasm and several successful treatment protocols emerged and were adopted. They also looked at other countries’ successes such as Thailand’s and Singapore’s and were encouraged to try those as well.

    It stands to reason (though I don’t know), that China’s “Covid deaths” underwent a similar re-definition. That is, a “Covid death” wasn’t so classified unless the victim was a clinical “Covid case” before that. No post-death (or post-admittance) PCR testing of accident and heart attack victims in the hope of a financial reward as happened in many other countries.

    The PCR test has remained for early warning purposes, but somewhere along the way its notorious Cycle Threshold appears to have been dialled back so it yields medically useful data. During a 2 wk period last June, Shenzhen tested its entire population 3x (~40M PCR tests) without registering a single positive. That’s a lot of tests without the false positive noise that so bedevils the statistics being generated in other countries. In keeping with the focus on clinical cases, temp testing was also done alongside and it remains but a little less ubiquitous than it was a year ago.

    In sum, I’d argue that, at the outset China’s lockdowns served to underpin and enable other, more decisive facets of their successful pandemic strategy but were not in themselves the primary driver of that success. They bought time for the system to respond and the fact that they were lifted as soon as the trend became clear, never to return indicates only that other facets of the system’s response were working well enough to be adequate on their own.

    As we’ve seen elsewhere, lockdowns would have been useless at best, or counterproductive at worst when implemented without being leveraged by appropriate follow-up policies and action. Leveraged by inappropriate ones, they do only harm.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
    • Replies: @niceland
    , @Roger
  118. Ktulu says:

    I’m not a mechanic, but I do understand the general idea behind a four stroke internal combustion engine, because I need one to get through life. I’m not a biochemist, but I do make it my business to understand the basics of things I inject, swallow, smoke, or otherwise put into my body.

    The fact is the vaccines are deadlier than all other vaccines, and presumably are because they are undertested. Also, presumably these deaths don’t descriminate by age. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t. I will admit to not knowing that. In any case, since the risk of death by covid is minimal for young people in good health, and the vaccines are not only deadly but also carry the risk of life altering side effects, and being vaccinated has no bearing on whether or not you spread the disease, meaning refuseniks aren’t doing any harm to “the community”, why should young healthy people be forced to get these highly experimental vaccines? That is my only complaint. Whether the vaccinated will die in five years or get gulf war syndrome or become infertile is of little concern to me, until I go to have kids and can’t because pfizer and moderna made my wife infertile of course. That is the main thrust of many refusenik’s reasoning. 34% of the country isn’t reading the result of the anti-vax crowd’s gold mine for spreading their psychosis (although their concers are completely legitimate), they are young people doing risk benefit analysis on getting an undertested experimental vaccine vs getting a virus they know they will amost certianly beat.

    Even more suspicious is the refusal of the U.S. to authorize less experimental vaccines from Europe. Why is AZ not approved? Why does it appear the government is now going to twist arms before novavax is authorized? Why isn’t Sputnik V authorized in Europe, outside Hungary at least? Is there something special about American big phama’s highly experimental vaccines that is so far ahead of Europe and the rest of the world that if I am forced to get a vaccine I shouldn’t be allowed to chose?

    This is all what is so unfortunate about a discussion between a hardliner skeptic and a moderate skeptic who only reads mainstream news. Somewhere in the standoffishness practical questions aren’t being answered.

    • Agree: Mevashir
    • Thanks: frankie p, Iris
  119. I’m a dentist with a significant (graduate degree) education in biology and chemistry before dentistry. Obviously, I’m not exactly scientifically illiterate. I’m also very much in favour of vaccines in diseases where vaccines would actually work: for instance, rabies, polio, typhoid, Hepatitis B, and so on; basically, DNA viruses and bacterial infections.

    This is absolutely not the case with n SARS COV 2.

    These are my reasons:

    1. RNA viruses are notorious for constant mutations, and are extremely difficult to create vaccines for.

    2. Of RNA viruses, coronaviruses are especially infamous for this. For example the common cold viruses, rhinoviruses, are coronaviruses.

    3. Therefore no vaccine can protect against mutations, which are absolutely guaranteed to happen. On my own blog I predicted rampant mutations of n SARS COV 2 back in March 2020, and so it has proved.

    4. n SARS COV 2 is basically an evolved version of the SARS virus from 2005. In 15 years they haven’t been able to come up with a safe vaccine for SARS, and in a few months they’ve, in countries across the world, invented effective vaccines for n SARS COV 2?!??!? Pull the other one.

    5. With reference to No. 4, 6 to 7 months is an absurdly short time to come up with a safe vaccine for anything. Just common sense would tell you that to check for natal deformities alone would take 9 months at the least (longer for developmental defects like learning disorders etc). Not to speak of cancer rates and so on. In vivo lab animal tests are absolutely not sufficient for this.

    So I’m not surprised that the vaccines are by all accounts failing in their (alleged) purpose. I would be astonished if they were not.

    Note: None of the above has anything to do with my opinions of how actually lethal or otherwise the n SARS COV 2 virus is. I’m just talking about the vaccine.

  120. Ktulu says:
    @Anon

    Not to mention, if you can’t change a flat, jump start from another car, or indeed if you don’t know to change your engine oil or air filter, you are gonna have some problems, and you don’t even need to know what the four strokes of a four stroke engine are to know those things.

    Basic practical knowledge in the things you rely on is an important thing to have.

  121. @Robert Dolan

    Fauci and the CDC now candidly admit that the vax is useless and does not work, and that vaxxed people spread Covid as much as do unvaxxed people.

    Hence there is no point in getting vaxxed.

    In case anyone thinks I am distorting or exaggerating…

    Example 1
    https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-transmission-vaccinated-people-risk-of-resistant-variant-2021-7

    Example 2
    https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/565831-fauci-amount-of-virus-in-breakthrough-delta-cases-almost-identical

    Example 3

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  122. @Anon

    Thanks for singling out Mr. Unz’ statement –

    Let me reemphasize, I don’t know or care anything about vaccines, certainly including the Covid vaccines. I have absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject, any more than I bother researching the details of an automobile engine if I just want to drive a car somewhere.

    In the light of this admission of wilful ignorance by Mr. Unz, his persistent endorsement of the Corona Chan “vaccines” has to imply a certain level of intellectual arrogance, or at the very least a ploy to retain the veneer of plausible deniability.

    [MORE]

    Mr. Unz’ use of official statistics to sidestep the detail of actual “vaccine” pathologies doesn’t pass muster, because the official statistics are fake statistics. Let’s look under the hood of Mr. Unz’ proverbial car…

    But over 160 million Americans have already been fully vaccinated, so that’s a possible death rate of 6,000/160 million or less than 0.004%. By comparison, Covid itself has a death rate of over 0.5%, so taking the vaccine is more than 100x safer than getting Covid…

    But we know that the injuries and deaths reported on the VAERS system is only between 1% and 10% of the actual numbers – that widely acknowledged reality catapults the actual American Corona Chan “vaccine” deaths into six figures at the high end, and even well above the CDC whistle-blower’s figure of 45,000 at the low end.

    Let’s be charitable and just accept the under estimate of actual “vaccine” deaths at 45,000.

    45,000 / 160 million yields 0.028%. That charitable interpretation gives a Corona Chan death rate (at Mr. Unz’ stated 0.5%) around 18 times higher than the under estimate of 0.028% “vaccine” death rate (never mind that the real, actual “vaccine” death rate right now might be 10 times higher than this).

    But wait – there’s more! The long-term effects of these experimental Corona Chan “vaccines” are completely unknown, because they have never been through proper testing! So whatever the “vaccine” death rate for those 160 million American might be right now (and it’s way more than the official figures) it ain’t over by a long shot. We won’t know just how many of them have been maimed and killed by the “vaccines” for years, maybe even decades. And let’s just throw in right here, for generations, given the legitimate concerns now being raised around the effects of the “vaccines” on fertility and pregnancies.

    But wait – there’s still more! For the sake of honesty, we’ve made some exceedingly conservative adjustments to the fake official “vaccine” death rate, now let’s look at the other side of the equation, that is, the official Corona Chan death rate.

    Let’s just come out and say it in plain English – the official Corona Chan death rate is utter garbage, inflated and exaggerated to the Moon to accomplish the officially desired “pandemic”. Who hasn’t heard or read about the official policies designed to transform any death into a Corona Chan death? Anyone who tested “positive” for Corona Chan – using PCR tests rigged to produce 99% positive results – and then died, was recorded as a “Corona Chan death”. Even motorcycle accident victims were labeled “Corona Chan deaths”. Hospitals were given financial bonuses for labeling anyone and everyone as “Corona Chan cases”, and all medicinal and nutritional remedies were suppressed and banned just to make sure that as many people as possible died and got tagged as “Corona Chan deaths”.

    So what is the scale of the fakery? Just how many of the fake official figure of 600,000 American “Corona Chan deaths” were actually due to the alleged Corona Chan bug? Here’s a figure that’s being tossed about, back behind the CDC’s garden shed – 9,000. That’s right, out of all the unvaccinated people in the USA who died and got tagged as “Corona Chan deaths”, rumour has it that just 9,000 of them are legitimate Corona Chan casualties. Is this the truth? Given all the blatant in-your-face smoke and mirrors pumping the fake “Corona Chan death rate” to infinity and beyond, I would assess this number as plausible. And hey, Mr. Unz himself – by his own admission – doesn’t care to actually investigate these things, so why the Hell not?

    So that would bring the actual Corona Chan death rate down from the fake official rate of 0.5% to around 0.0075%.

    Which would mean that the alleged Corona Chan bug is actually about 4 times safer right now than the Corona Chan “vaccines” (or 40 times safer if we allow the worst case for the VAERS reporting system) – across all age groups. The disparity gets worse – much worse – as our benevolent officials slide the age scale down to target our children with the Corona Chan “vaccines”.

    And that’s completely ignoring the long-term “vaccine” injuries and deaths that we have yet to discover, in the months, years, decades and generations to come.

    All of this is self-evident to any thinking mortal with the intellectual integrity to investigate the details and face the facts.

    Mr. Unz has been gifted with such analytical prowess – it’s a real travesty to witness the denial of his God-given abilities.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  123. Rahan says:

    Mr. Unz tries to be reasonable as usual, within the framework of the limitations of his knowledge and interest in the subject, which he as always honestly outlines. “To the extent that I’m interested in X and with knowledge levels Y this is what it looks like to me.”

    If only more people were so honest and level-headed.

    That being said, I personally have four major reasons to be highly skeptical. I’m also no epidemiologist or what have you, and also have not spent a lifetime of autodictat research on the matter. But IMO I can smell bullshit, whatever it’s outer form.

    REASON 1: the vaccines
    The side-effect/protection levels ratio of the new fancy vaccines is crap. Whereas the trad dead virus vaccines give way less severe average side-effects (like your basic flu-shot), while working for a longer time against all sorts of “variants” (because trad vax teaches the body to recognize more components of the virus, not just some spike protein).

    Cuba, Iran, and Kazakhstan were able to manufacture their own trad vaccines. However, the West not only refuses to make their own trad vaccines, it also doesn’t import existing ones. For some reason super fixated on RNA serums and vector vaccines instead. Why? Why is there no choice? We can see today, with infection rates exploding among the vaccinated by the fancy vaccines, that their super-duper efficiency is imaginary, while the super-duper side-effects are more than real. Why no trad vaccines?

    Even without megalomaniacs with Malthusian schemes, the very level of corruption and incompetence we see happening in real-time is outrageous. A toxic mix of big business lobbying, purchased politicians and media and experts, and censorship, which can lead absolutely anywhere. So the question is: would you trust you health and life and freedom to these people?

    REASON 2: the history of outrageous inversions and lies
    We know most gun crime is being done by diverse gangs in inner cities using illegal pistols. The mainstream narrative is the gun crime will be solved if the govt takes away the legal rifles of white provincials. And the white peasants refusing to give up their legal rifles, is what is causing gun crime. Is what is causing diverse gangs in inner cities to shoot each other with illegal pistols.

    Likewise, when crime exploded in 2020-21, with the police standing down, citizen gun buying rose through the roof. But the mainstream narrative is that the crime explosion is in fact fueled by citizens buying legal guns after the police stood down.

    The above two examples of dazzling reversals of facts and cause and effect is enough to make one disbelieve the current narrative that the more people are vaccinated, the more of them get infected—and it’s all the fault of the unvaccinated.

    REASON 3: the relentless gaslighting and smoke and mirrors
    They never apologize and admit they are wrong. They just pretend everything was always like this. First it’s just the flu, then OMG it’s the plague, first masks are stupid, then choke him out he’s without a mask, first no vaccine passports, then suddenly vaccine passports, first only cranks say the virus is artificial, suddenly we always knew it’s possibly artificial, first only the unvaxed get infected and ill, suddenly the vaxed too but it’s the fault of the unvaxed… Thus, the mainstream has zero credibility, but applies severe censorship, gaslighting, manipulation tricks, and increasingly force.

    REASON 4: the lessons of 9/11
    When they took away a bunch of rights “just for a little while until we catch these very dangerous chaps”, but the rights never came back. Not only did the rights never came back, now all the remaining ones appear to be curtailed in real-time, and the lesson of 9/11 is that what you allow them to take, no matter the pretext, isn’t coming back.

    When the above four reasons are combined, the result is a very, very deep skepticism concerning:
    1) The choice of vaccines and the refusal to make or import normal ones
    2) The truth about anything to do with the virus
    3) The truth about anything to do with the interaction between the virus and those vaccinated with the fancy vaccines
    4) The truth about the necessity of most if not all curbs to citizen rights and freedoms

    • Agree: TTSSYF
    • Replies: @Psychotic Break
    , @Sulu
  124. @BuelahMan

    RU – Since Covid was extremely contagious and there seemed to be no effective treatments, traditional public health measures were useless.

    That is 100% ridiculous! ^^^ It has been AMPLY proven that an assortment of Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, zinc, Vitamin D, etc. provided early in Covid onset produces excellent results and mitigated disease. Global genocide has been committed by the withholding of those treatments in 2020.

    Regarding Covid spread plus the possible vaccine shedding (unnerving!) listen to 10 min of Dr. Lee Merritt. She’s very articulate and has interesting info and anecdotes. https://www.brighteon.com/f7a0cbf1-71d0-41a0-9e5a-900e0f8aabcc

    RU – For example, I’ve seen claims floating around that more than 6,000 Americans have probably already died from negative vaccine reactions…

    6000? Try almost 12,000 as of July 23 according to the VAERS database. https://www.openvaers.com/
    Most of the reporting to it is voluntary so, it has been stated that it depicts very low actual numbers. In fact, Dr. Peter Mccullough has declared publicly that he is in touch with a CDC whistleblower who states that they are aware of 45,000 American deaths from Covid vaccines.

    Look at the Covid vax deaths and serious reactions in Europe.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/18928-dead-1-8-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-european-unions-database-of-adverse-drug-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/5750722

    Imo, you have to be a moron to take those jabs.

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  125. Cleoshep says:

    Totalitarian regimes have no rule of law. They simply dictate at the point of a gun. I’d rather have a million dead than live like that. Apparently Unz is jealous of communist china. He never once makes any mention of HOW china was able to so effectively lock down so quickly. We know how, you don’t obey and you get a quick bullet in the brain. Unz appears to be so far up china’s tuschy the he needs a snorkel to breath.

  126. Dumbo says:

    I haven’t read it, as Mr. Unz tends to be too long-winded, and is not a biologist or a doctor so his information on such matters might be limited. But commenting on a few things I spotted:

    America adopted half-hearted lockdowns, and since they weren’t really effective at stamping out the virus,

    This idea that “we didn’t try the lockdown hard enough, or it would work” is like the Leftists’ idea that “we didn’t try Communism hard enough”. Look, it didn’t work. Perhaps because it was half-hearted, perhaps because the US is not a Communist country yet, perhaps for other reasons, however, since as applied it clearly didn’t work, why insist with it for over a year? The same goes for Europe – it didn’t work at all, it didn’t do zilch, the disease fluctuated on its own based more on the change of seasons than anything else, and yet like voodoo priests the authorities kept recommending and mandating their stupid lockdowns.

    Also, East Asian countries, who are shown as a model here, did NOT do a lockdown. Japan did not do a real lockdown by any means, most things including shops and restaurants stayed open all the time, and they had ten times more suicides than Covid deaths. Very few deaths there. I don’t know what they did exactly, but it was not a lockdown.

    China is the only supposed “lockdown success story”, but we don’t really have enough information about what happened in China.

    The idea that half a million people died “from Covid” in the US based on “excess deaths” is ridiculous. While the disease exists and is moderately serious, people also died from many other things, some caused by the lockdowns themselves.

    I don’t know about the vaccines. I don’t think that the vaccines are necessarily deadly, although since they haven’t been properly tested, I doubt that they do not have side effects, some which we’ll discover only later on. Also they seem to be much, much less efficient than touted.

    I’m also worried by the fact that they are so keen on vaccinating pregnant women and small children, when small children are basically immune to the disease, and if you’re pregnant, er, you’re not supposed to drink or smoke, but I guess an experimental mRNA drug therapy which has NOT BEEN TESTED ON PREGNANT WOMEN as they were excluded from the trials for safety reasons is fine…

    But my main concern is with things such as “green passes” and “vaccine passports” and the whole idea of subjecting normal people to all these ordeals, in a new paradigm where authorities control all our health information and genetic information and where we’ve been and are going, treating the healthy as “sick with a contagious disease” until proven innocent.

    The whole idea of “asymptomatic spreading” has been wildly exaggerated, as well as the efficacy of testing, and the current lunacy in some places of tests or certificates every damn time you go anywhere.

    If things were done normally, as any other respiratory disease – i.e., if you feel symptoms, stay home, don’t go to work, or go to the hospital or doctor to be treated – and people without symptoms just lead their normal life until/when they felt any symptoms, I bet we would have more or less the same results, only that without all the pain and destruction of livelihoods and deaths from other causes (some even by the “treatment” itself, as with the early use of ventilators).

    As for the vaccine, make it completely voluntary. It may make sense for some as a precaution. For others, perhaps not so much. For a few the risk might not be worth it. It doesn’t stop transmission or “eliminate” the virus, which would probably have disappeared on its own without it. Diseases come and go, they always have. People develop natural immunity. Life goes on.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  127. Anonymous[110] • Disclaimer says:

    The virus came from China. It was designed in China. It was designed not to affect people with specific genetic markers that only the Chinese have.

    While the rest of the world struggled with the virus and was forced to shut down their economies, China has experienced remarkable growth.

    This virus was a conspiracy, by who knows who, to set China ahead, while the rest of the world gets fucked.

    Go ahead, call me an anti-China propagandist.

  128. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    None of this means that you don’t work for Mossad.

    Presstv, and a hundred other Iranian news sites got taken down, for what?

    You’ve got people here raging and ranting at the Jews, like Hitler. And your site doesn’t get taken down?

    Anti-Zionist Jew, eh? GFY.

  129. Antonides says:

    The AMA has 240,000 members and is America’s main professional association for doctors, and after surveying a sample, they claimed that 96% of physicians had already been fully vaccinated by early June, suggesting that the total is probably now more like 98% or 99%. If almost all the doctors in America have decided to get vaccinated, that’s good enough for me.

    Hi Ron,
    Longtime reader and fan of your site, bit stunned by your response on this and several other points being blase’ at best.
    I do not believe these statistics quoted by the AMA.
    I can only offer a personal anecdote which you are free to accept as you please. I was in the ER ward of a large public hospital in Brisbane, Australia last month where my wife was doubled over in pain with kidney stones. This ER ward is large so there was something like 15 medical staff in my direct vision.
    Over the intercom came an announcement that there were 20+ pfizer shots that had to be used that day or discarded and any staff were welcome to come to room ‘x’ to receive them.
    I was shocked that something like half the medical staff in view (including 3 Drs) started laughing and joking ‘No way’ to each other regardless of patients in full view.

    I have no reason to suspect that this view is not shared in other Western countries where all governments are trying to find ways to mandate staff to have the shots.

  130. @MGB

    I agree with you ‘MGB’.

    As far as the CDC is concerned, I trust their stats and guidance about as much as I trust Wikipedia.

    Practiced liars are experts in “lying by omission”…withholding pertinent information….Tony Fauci comes to mind…..the mass media also experts at it.

  131. Adrian says:

    The Swedish physician, Sebastian Rushworth, claims on his blog and in his book that the Swedish government wasn’t any wiser than any other government but only showed more respect for existing laws.

    He also explains the difference in results between Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries by claiming that Sweden has a higher percentage of migrants and that Swedes have traditionally travelled more than the denizens of those other countries.

    So Sweden has more Corona-victims but, in all likelihood, also considerably fewer ruined middle class businesses and ruined lives. And even in terms of corona-deaths it wasn’t doing any worse than the UK.

  132. @anonymous

    Agree. I’d also like to see the stats on the over-80s who are not in nursing homes, not obese, the elderly who are fit as a fiddle and catch it. What proportion of them die of it relative to 30-year-olds?

    There’s an article on RT today on a major Australian news outlet being deplatformed by social media for mentioning the incongruities around HCQ and Ivermectin, the suppression of information on alternatives to Big Pharma vaccinations, low cost and safe and no shortage.

    • Replies: @TTSSYF
  133. The Delta variant is going to rip through the unvaccinated and there are people reading this that will regret taking the advice of Paul Roberts (not a medical doctor) instead of their local physician.

    Just about everyone that is unvaccinated and in a publicly facing job is going to get it.

    The best we can hope for is that it doesn’t mutate again. It’s too late for herd immunity against the Delta.

  134. Vaxxinator says: • Website

    free COVID-1984 vaxx passports for the unvaxxed:

    https://telegra.ph/Get-Your-Free-COVID-1984-Vaxx-Passport-07-23

    (scan with your cellphone, and see what happens. please disseminate widely; see website above for directions.)

    [MORE]

  135. gsjackson says:
    @Roger

    Particularly when you look at the political context in which the lying arose. Regardless of what one thinks of Trump or his role in the scamdemic, clearly removing him from office was a very important objective of the establishment. So when Russiagate ran aground on the good ship Mueller, within weeks they shifted to impeachment. When that didn’t work, within weeks came the “pandemic.” I’d imagine that anyone paying attention must have considered the thought that immediately came to my mind: Okay, now they’re going to try crashing the economy and demoralizing the electorate.

    We can certainly see at this point that removing Trump was just one of a myriad of perhaps-evolving objectives, including, obviously, the whole enchilada — complete totalitarian control of the entire world. But to fail to see the pattern of really aggressive and obvious lying in the political/media establishment over the last five years is to be willfully blind.

    • Replies: @Roger
  136. GMC says:

    Totally a US/Israel/Axis Globalist BioWeapon, aided, with the help of hundreds of governments, accomplices, and financial institutions, owned medias, not to mention the UN and their associated agencies.

    If some country doesn’t fall inline – a regime change or assassination is bought in to correct the ” situation”. Hate propaganda and media lies will help with the transitions.

    Lie, cheat, steal, bribe, murder, cook the books { numbers}, use programming, fear, propaganda, strong arm tactics on any opposition- including the professional society, and create new ” laws” to force the populace into submission.

    The Corona Operation must proceed, since it is the pre-requisite for the next set of Operations, that will force the New and One World Order into position.

    The enemy is really easy to see here – they don’t even use camouflage.

  137. Dumbo says:

    A novel idea. What about letting people decide about their own health choices, instead of bureaucrats and governments and big corporations ordering what you should do? And what about not censoring alternative information? This seems to be what Kary Mullis is suggesting here, in the context of the Aids scare, which was similar in many ways:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=RJn4TwTx-HA

    • Agree: Greta Handel
  138. @Skip Scott

    Perceptive comment! The entire “vaccination is the answer” program is based on the premise that there are no effective treatments for Covid. Over on the doctors4covidethics.org site, there’s an interview with a doctor who said that treaments involving hydrochloroquine, ivermectic and monoclonal antibodies, coupled with nutritional supplements, produced reasonably good results, but that these treatments were suppressed (pharmacies refused to fill prescriptions) and doctors who advocated them had their medical licenses threatened. After all, there’s more profit in “vaccinating” the worried well than in treating the sick.

  139. // there’s all this ranting about “spike proteins” and other things about which I know nothing.//

    Perhaps the long interview wasn’t needed, afterall.

    • Agree: Publius 2
    • Replies: @anon
  140. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Fremen

    The yellow fever jab, for example, is widely understood to be the most effective live-virus vaccine ever invented, with a single dose generating long-lasting immunity in 98 per cent of those vaccinated. But even that means that on average 2 per cent of people will still get infected.
    Phase 3 trials for most of the leading Covid-19 jabs showed an efficacy against symptomatic infection of more than 90 per cent. Real-world studies of effectiveness in the UK, Israel and Canada suggest that vaccines are displaying a slightly lower effectiveness outside of the trial environment, probably because of the spread of the more vaccine-resistant Delta variant. Estimates put protection against symptomatic infection, depending on the vaccine, at between 60-90 per cent.
    According to Public Health England, about 17 per cent of the 105,598 Delta variant cases reported across England in the four weeks to July 19 were among fully vaccinated people. PHE counts people as fully vaccinated 14 days after their second dose.

  141. @Anonymous

    @.1% death rate then Covid is precisely at par with (drumroll) garden variety flu.

    If true – and I suspect (but don’t know) that it is – that kind of takes the piss out of Ron’s favorite slur: “It’s just the flu!”

    Given the unreliability of PCR tests and the general intransigence of people to even get a test in the first place, I’d wager that actual infections were far more diffuse (and directly attributable Covid deaths far lower).

  142. I haven’t read all the comments, but I read the entire exchange between Mr. Unz and Mr. Whitney.

    I think Mr. Whitney fails (sorry if I am mistaken, perhaps he mentioned my points and I missed them) to make some key points in response to Mr. Unz:

    1) How many of the ‘excess deaths’ were CAUSED by lockdown policies? We know that an increase in unemployment is correlated with an increase in mortality. And that the lockdowns increased unemployment.

    2) How do we know the ‘leaders’ and the ‘elites’ in fact took the vaccine? Because THEY said so? Because the MEDIA said so? But we know, Unz knows, leaders and media lie constantly.

    3) There is no mention of the key role the PCR ‘test’, which does NOT test for symptoms of a disease, in the statistics relating to ‘cases’ (redefined to mean ‘presence of viral fragments’) and to deaths (dying with a positive covid PCR test is not the same as dying because of the covid 19 disease).

    In general, I would say Mr. Unz makes a very poor argument for his opinions. As others have pointed out, he gives authority to doctors and scientists who have been threatened with loss of funding and loss of their job if they disagree with the corporate/state narrative.

    Let’s keep in mind that the medical profession was the most enthusiastic professional group supporting Nazi policies under Hitler; a majority joined the Nazi party and supported the power of the STATE to crush all dissent.

    We could say that now the scientific and medical establishment see themselves as the beneficiaries of an international move towards dictatorial TECHNOCRACY, and thus have little incentive to dissent, and many disincentives to dissent.

  143. @Skip Scott

    Also missing is the complete lack of public health messaging on the importance of vitamin D and Zinc in supporting a healthy immune system, and the importance of addressing our obesity epidemic, type two diabetes, and other easily preventable co-morbidities.

    Well, I know that it’ not stats, but judging from a personal perspective.. . I’m 46, not obese, don’t have diabetes & have had Covid twice.

    First time, it lasted two days.

    After ca. 12 months, I got it for the 2nd time. At that time, I’ve been consuming D3 to prevent it, 2000 IU daily (plus other vitamins and minerals), and higher doses of Zinc (I don’t recall the exact dose). This time, it lasted 11-12 days (not 9, as my epidemiologist had thought it should be). From the start of “feeling bad”, I’d been using 4000 IU of D3- but, judging from experience, to no avail. Also, a bunch of Zinc, plus other stuff (strong antibiotics etc). I was at home all the time.

    So- do D3 & Zinc work?

    From my experience- not.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Skip Scott
    , @lysias
  144. gnbRC says:
    @Brooklyn Dave

    I am surprised at Ron Unz. For a website that publishes very controversial articles, I am surprised that he is touting the Covaxstablishment’s narrative so blithely. I wonder if there is pressure being put on him and this website?

    Not trying to be derogatory, but Ron Unz is Jewish, the UNZ.com is a Jewish website, and he is using Jewish sources for is vax information – not peer reviewed medical/scientific papers. So, it’s really not surprising that in this interview he’s being a little ‘slippery’ – c’est la vie. Again, no offense intended mainly because there are plenty of non-Jewish ‘experts’ who are equal or more ‘slippery’.

    But ultimately, one has to ask the question of ‘why is it so important to vaccinate people against COVID?’ – especially considering HCQ and ivermectin work just fine (but not allowed to be used). Clearly this is anathema to, say, the globalists in general and Bill Gates, et al in particular, who recognize that ‘there are just too many people to sustain with current resources’. Perhaps they want to have us around to ‘torture’ for profit or perhaps as ‘cannon fodder’ for the next war, or maybe so that there are enough ‘slaves’ around to provide luxuries for the elites and government/cultural sychophantic droves.

    In my mind, culling the population would be more successful if our elite masters were to offer a euthanasia option rather than going through with the COVID plan. Failing this and the current workings/events around the globe it’s either massive suffering and death, or just death (by euthanasia or suicide). As Bill Gates has related in in one of his interviews ‘There is no other (good) choice.’

    Then again, on a lighter side, if our ‘blond-haired blue-eyed’ elite masters wanted to get rid of a large portion of the world population, they could force them to watch Showtime and HBO ‘diversity’ programming. This alone will result in a massive increase in the [US] suicide rate.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  145. Biff says:

    Roaming the globe(mostly South America and Asia) in the 80’s, 90’s, and 00’s, I’ve been jabbed with all kinds of vaccines, and boosters(hepatitis B), and I have no reservations about vaccines at all until some government lackey said I need an RNA/spike protein injection for a forever mutating flu virus.

    I just don’t like the sound of it.

    • Agree: Iris
  146. Carrément déçue par Monsieur Unz.
    He just lost all crédibility, and i will never come back to his most equivocal Review.
    🤮

  147. AIDS Epidemic was fake:

    1976 Swine Flu of NJ was fake:

    based on Uncle Sam’s track record.. why would anyone trust the GOVT?

  148. Dumbo says:

    I suppose what annoys me the most is this:

    We are in an unprecedented situation with things that have never been done before, even during a pandemic: lockdown mandates, mask mandates, exceptional curbings of freedom of movement, tracking apps, etc. Many things which did not work for the purpose or the reasons that we were told initially, and which “coincidentally” made the 1% richer and everyone else poorer, and increased government controls in an unprecedented way.

    But we are supposed not to say anything and just accept it as 100% right, “because they know better”.

    We are also supposed to accept to be injected (on pain of losing our jobs or freedom of movement) by new types of vaccines (mRNA and adenovirus) that have not been used before and not even completed Phase IV. We should even submit our children and unborn children to such experiment.

    But if we are even just slightly concerned about it we are “crazy anti-vaxxers” and “conspiracy theorists” or “selfish” (??!!).

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Miro23
  149. JWalters says:
    @notbe

    I agree, Ron is excellent on data analysis. But Whitney raises an important quandry. What if a sociopathic oligarchy is using a pandemic to increase their control of society? You want to avoid falling into the oligarchy’s trap, but you also want to protect yourself from the pandemic. Whitney is focused on not falling into the trap, and Unz is focused on protecting against the pandemic.

    Regarding the trap, it seems to me the danger is in normalizing a pattern of repeated, mandated vaccines. Eventually, magneto-electric nanoparticles could be delivered into people’s brains, first simply to identify them, but ultimately to monitor and control them. These would be instead of the old-fashioned electrodes implanted in the brain. For example, you might be reading an article on the web, with your computer’s bugged operating system reporting to an oligarchy server. If it’s an article the oligarchy doesn’t like, a part of your brain that creates a feeling of nausea might be triggered. Or if its an article they approve, you pleasure center might be triggered. You think these are your own reactions to what you are reading. I doubt we’re near this yet. This vaccine is more likely setting the precedent. The main dangers from these vaccines probably come from the rush-job to develop them.

    But there are other ways in which this pandemic advances the oligarchy interests. It is being used to normalize increased censorship, with the US and Israeli governments directing the internet tech giants who to censor. And they’re making windfall profits on the vaccines. And they’re buying up a lot of distressed properties. And they’re getting fat “relief” payments from Congress. All these benefits may explain why officials were so slow responding to the pandemic, which gave the virus a chance to get solidly established in the population. The evidence is clear that officials knew they were lying to the public during that time – about the origin of the virus, how the virus spread, the efficacy of masks, and NIH funding for gain-of-function research at Wuhan. I agree with Ron this was likely an American bioweapon attack on China, with Wuhan set up to take the blame. (Recall the false-flag anthrax attacks on US Senators with 9/11). But it may also have been an oligarchy attack on America.

  150. I’ll bet virtually every member of the World Economic Forum has been vaccinated.

    That’s a tough one for the anti-vaxxers.

    • Replies: @anon
  151. The global statistics database on reported adverse vaccine reactions gives approaching 20,000 dead and 2 million hurt – many horribly disabled.

    But this number may be 10x higher, given most reactions are not reported as such into databases … people I know badly hurting shortly after vaccines, all have doctors denying it is anything to do with the vax. 20 million hurt out of 2 billion vaxxed, is about 1 out of 100. Especially for younger people, vax risk doesn’t make sense.

    The list of anti-covid-vax medical doctors & scientists, is long & impressive. Two Nobel Prize winners, Dr Luc Montagnier & Dr Satoshi Omura. Dr Robert Malone & Dr Luigi Warren who helped developed mRNA, Warren expecting 1-2 billion vax dead over the coming decade. Dr Michael Yeadon ex of Pfizer expecting similar death. Dr Vernon Coleman ‘How Many People are Vaccines Killing?’. Dr Peter McCullough of Baylor U / Texas A&M ‘vax deaths being hidden’. Harvard’s Dr Martin Kulldorff. Dr Scott Atlas. Stanford’s Dr Jay Bhattacharya. Dr Sucharit Bhakdi. Dr Ryan Cole. Dr Byram Bridle, U of Guelph. Dr Charles Hoffe. Dr Simone Gold. Dr Angelina Farella. Dr Paul Marek.

    Here’s Nobel Winner Dr Montagnier,2min34, English subtitles

    • Replies: @Abdul Alhazred
    , @Raches
  152. By the way- this time, RU is mostly right.

    Just, I would stress one thing- deaths. Who cares? Once you’re dead, you’re long time dead, as detective Crosetti had said in H:LotS

    It’s about becoming invalid that is the real problem.

  153. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:

    Did I repeatedly say here that Ron Unz is a gatekeeper?
    Of course he’s entitled to have his own theory like everyone else.
    The point is he completely ignored evidences presented by many other experts on the field such as Dr David Martin, Dr Stefan Lanka

    Obviously Ron does not even care to look at other independent medical professors and scientists such as Prof Sucharit Bhakdi, Prof. Dolores Cahill, Dr Peter Maccullough, Dr. Andrew Kaufman ,Dr. Hodkinson.. to name just a few.. (I pretend that the Great Barrington Declaration https://gbdeclaration.org/ did not exist!) …
    At any rate, his theory looked pretty good at the beginning of this plandemic.. However as more evidences coming out coupled with fake official stats… his theory lost all its legs!

    All things considered, the bio-weapon turned out to be the so-called “vaccine” itself!

  154. Wim says:

    Ron mentions India and the fact that many died despite most being young and thin.

    The common explanation for that is their health is not that good. Relatively many are undernourished or have untreated illnesses. And as covid other strikes when there are co-morbidities it is not surprising that covid is relatively lethal in India.

    Covid is picking up speed in East and South-East Asia. I wouldn’t be surprised when that region – including China – ends up getting just as much cases and fatalities as the rest of the world.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  155. Mevashir says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Thank you for your kind advice. Some of these things I’ve never heard of!

  156. Mevashir says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Thank you for your kind words.

  157. TTSSYF says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Earlier this year, my 90-year-0ld father was diagnosed with COVID, three weeks after he had the first of the two Moderna shots. His voice was almost unrecognizable for several days but was okay after about a week. He lives at home with a live-in caretaker and just turned 91. He is not overweight and takes care of himself. As he put it, he’s hard to kill.

  158. Opie says:

    I appreciate the debate,however one thing was mentioned only in passing,and that’s what if the vax is causing the varients time to evolve into a deadly pathogen. Type (mareks disease leaking vaccines) in your browser to read how one leaky vaccine morphed into a virus more leathal than ebola.

    • Replies: @Publius 2
  159. @JimDandy

    I agree. What you listed above are factors that caused excess deaths.

    I’d like to add

    a) The overall decline of life expectancy and at the same time: the increasing number of old people

    b) Maltreatment of Covid patients (unnecessary intubations, which did cause great harm to a great
    number of patients)

    c) Harms done via vaccination

    d) The disastrous NYC measures for example to bring infected people back into care homes

    f) The lack of protection for those very inclined to get sick from CO-19

    It would be useful to quantify all that you mentioned and my points to sort out correlation/causation in the case of CO-19 ((I know that c), d), and f) are tricky points, but I think they are worth to be considered nonetheless)).

  160. Erebus says:
    @Kali

    Beyond making sure they had access to alcohol and pornography, the Party in Orwell’s 1984 didn’t much care what the plebs did or thought. The Inner Party did care, a lot, about what the Outer Party thought and did, and went to great lengths to make sure they thought the right things in the right way.

    So, the Outer Party was even more un/mis-informed than the plebs, who didn’t believe anything they read in the papers and in fact often concluded the opposite of what they were being told.

    So it is today. The State focussed its efforts on convincing the intelligentsia and professional classes and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, but it’s making little headway with the Deplorables. Whoever’s running the shitshow called the US Govt should’ve read Orwell. The professional elites needed no convincing while the State finds itself resorting to extraordinary, and extra-legal methods trying to convince reluctant Deplorables to follow.

    The Govt should’ve focussed its efforts on the latter from the start. Thankfully, they didn’t. If the Deplorables stand their ground, that strategic blunder will reverberate over the coming months and years as a large swing in the Elite/Deplorable Ratio (EDR) makes itself apparent.

    • Replies: @Kali
  161. @Anonymous

    What? Unz posted something from VDare in the early days claiming it only affected East Asians, specifically Chinese, and that this proved “races” were real.

    One doesn’t have to call you a propagandist, you just did it to yourself. Just not a competent or intelligent one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  162. @John Johnson

    Of bloody course it will mutate again. It’s a damn coronavirus. Mutating is what coronaviruses do.

    • Agree: John Q Duped
  163. Thanks for a good debate, Mike Whitney and Ron Unz.
    Certainly worthwhile, not only the discussion itself but also the informed comments and links it has generated.

    As some of these say, an informed debate on alternative preventives would also be well received. Alternative in the sense of being “natural” (vitamins, minerals etc) and of proven worth (HCQ, Ivermectin). Proven worth/effective as opposed to a dangerous genetic-modification injection that produces severe adverse reactions incl death in the immediate aftermath, unknown longer term effects, and which seems to be virtually useless against its target disease. Some even say the “vaccine” produces cv-19 …

    The debate might also include diet/exercise/lifestyle, and although most UR readers would be informed and follow healthy regimes it wouldn’t do any harm to cover this in my humble opinion. I’m saying this because of a (presumed by me) desire by Ron Unz to expand the reach of UR to a wider audience for the benefit of all concerned.

    Because nobody of any sense who has done any study into topics that matter has any belief in the pronouncements of governments, the Lügenpresse/tv. There is dire need for truth in public debate which this type of material and the comments thereto provide.

    One thing we can say without dispute about cv-19 “pandemic” is that just as ordinary people have suffered, and thousands died, Mr Rothschild and his relatives and friends have all grown immensly richer.
    And that from an already gluttenous grossly bloated baseline.

    Thanks again, Ron Unz, for this website.

  164. Iris says:

    This is a great interview, and a credit to the UR’s credo of being open to any and every opinion.

    There is nothing more difficult than discussing one’s arguments with those holding completely opposite views. If world political leaders were courageous enough to do so, we would all live in a better planet. Kudos to both Mr Unz and Mr Whitney.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  165. @Greta Handel

    Very much surprised at Unz. A big disappointment. I’ve no more much trust or confidence on him. How can he say ‘ the whole vaccination debate seems pretty meaningless to me’ …. and still defend the vaccines!

    • Agree: Publius 2, Kapyong
  166. onebornfree says: • Website

    Dear Ron, please “wake the fuck up” as the saying goes.

    To help you along the way, please read the most recent,(080121) excellent CJ Hopkins piece:

    “The Road to Totalitarianism”

    “……I couldn’t care less what you believe about the virus, or its mutant variants, or the experimental “vaccines.” This isn’t an abstract argument over “the science.” It is a fight … a political, ideological fight. On one side is democracy, on the other is totalitarianism. Pick a fucking side, and live with it.”
    https://consentfactory.org/2021/07/31/the-road-to-totalitarianism/

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @gsjackson
  167. 2019 was low. The population of particularly vulnerable old people probably grew. The fat old men over 80 with diabetes who survived 2019 were there for Covid in 2020. 2019 and 2020 taken together would show no particular excess deaths.

    That makes sense.

    The problem is: How to get from such a viewpoint to the claim of 1/2 million+ excess deaths caused by CO-19, which is the basis for Ron Unz’s alarmism. I think it comes down to bind ourselves to the – masthead and – resist – the Siren’s attraction, just like Odysseus did before – sailing on to the horrors of Scylla and Charybdis. Don’t be afraid to run out of horrors, ya earthlings…there’ll always be plenty of those…

    • Replies: @Anon
  168. Realist says:
    @Morton's toes

    Ron Unz’s IQ is purported to be 214. He sure is not living up to that level. His refusal to see the pandemic as a tool for fear and control…as I said…is disturbing.

    His resort to insulting is also telling. Here is just one example.

    Pretty much all the world’s political leaders have been vaccinated. If you look at the public surveys, vaccination rates in America are highest for the wealthiest and best-educated portion of the population, which includes all our political, economic, media, and intellectual elites, while vaccination rates are lowest for the poorest and the least educated.

  169. Publius 2 says:

    Hoax. The hospitals have been empty the entire time.

    Nurses filmed dance videos.

    Not one person has died.

  170. HCQ says:

    What about the latest statistics out of Israel which seem to indicate the Pfizer vaccine is essentially not effective at all?

    https://goldtadise.com/?p=502747

    I looked at the reports behind the data but not being a hebrew speaker made it difficult to quickly confirm their validity.

    Am I missing something or is the data really as damning as it appears?

    Unz also refers to the vaccines reducing hospitalization and death yet even the pfizer trial never showed that. By default a significant reduction in the number of infections would result in fewer hospitalizations/deaths but has nothing to do with the outcome of breakthrough infections.

  171. Anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron Unz— Actually, there are all sorts of different anti-vaxxers, including on the comment threads of this website. Some of them take your position, others claim that everyone who’s been vaccinated is doomed, and will be dead in six months or a year or whatever.

    Let me reemphasize, I don’t know or care anything about vaccines, certainly including the Covid vaccines. I have absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject, any more than I bother researching the details of an automobile engine if I just want to drive a car somewhere.

    The first part is standard strawmanning. Putting all anti-vax arguments into the same bag and using the weakest ones to cry “crackpottery” is simply dishonest.

    The second one is much worse. Injecting oneself with untested chemicals is not the same as driving a car. Those chemicals are now getting tested on the gullible and the full results will manifest in years to come (whether they will be reported honestly is another story altogether). Mr. Whitney is absolutely correct when stating that untested vaccines are dangerous by definition.

    And where did that vax car arrive at the end of the day? Recent data across the world shows that the gullible and the anti-vax “crackpots” are getting infected at similar rates so where’s the benefit in that risk-benefit calculation? Anyone?

    Anyway, since Mr. Unz has “absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject” I think it’s time for another booster shot or two. What could go wrong?

    • Agree: Realist
  172. Publius 2 says:

    Lol

    Ron, the thing in Italy at the beginning was also fake.

    That’s when the (((west))) figured out how to use this hoax to attack whites and stop the revolution (self-defense) we’ve been trying worldwide since 2015.

    The disease exists only in the pages of (((western MSM))).

    Trump’s voters had his last year entirely stolen from them.

    And then the 2020 election was also stolen. Obviously.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @John Johnson
  173. John Wear says:

    The following are some questions concerning the Covid-19 pandemic:

    If the masks work—Why the six feet?

    If the six feet works—Why the masks?

    If both of the above work—Why the lockdowns?

    If all three of the above work—Why the vaccines?

    If the vaccines are safe—Why protect them with a no liability clause?

    If the vaccines are safe—Why not test them on animals before using them on humans?

    If the vaccines are safe—Why did Tiffany Dover, a healthy 30-year-old nurse, faint 17 minutes after receiving a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine? Is Tiffany Dover dead? Why are so many other people having adverse reactions and dying from the vaccines?

    If successful vaccines have never been developed for other coronaviruses—Why should we expect successful vaccines for this coronavirus?

    If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why has it never been isolated?

    If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated—How can effective vaccines be developed?

    If SARS-CoV-2 has never been isolated–How can SARS-CoV-2 variants be determined to exist?

    If the RT-PCR test works—Why so many false positives?

    If Kary Mullis, the inventor of the RT-PCR test who conveniently died in August 2019, said his test shouldn’t be used to diagnose infectious diseases—Why use it to detect SARS-CoV-2?

    If there is an epidemic—Why so many empty hospitals?

    If large numbers of people are dying from SARS-CoV-2—Why so many fake causes of death on the death certificates? Are flu deaths being recharacterized as COVID-19 deaths?

    If SARS-CoV-2 exists—Why give doctors financial incentives to diagnose SARS-CoV-2?

    If the official COVID-19 narrative is defensible—Why censor people who dispute this narrative? Why not debate them instead?

  174. Rich says:
    @Philip Owen

    In Israel 60 % of those hospitalized have been given the Pfizer shot. The suthor states it’s 85% in Singapore. And it’s still very early in the experiment. You’re engaging in wishful thinking. You may be right, but we won’t know until much later. I don’t understand how you pro-gene therapy people always sound so positive about something it’s impossible to know. It will be at least several years until we know whether this treatment is safe. What we know right now is that people who take the shot still get sick, still spread the virus and, like those who actually caught the virus, will probably be fine.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  175. Mr. Unz arguments appear to be a form of confirmation bias. Mr. Unz is smart enough to have his oh-so well-reasoned arguments hinge on a few erroneous assumptions (e.g., the supposedly 1% death rate). He is also too readily disposed to believe sources of information with which he already agrees, without questioning their veracity. Finally, he neglects other major factors (therapeutics, comparisons to influenza, vaccine efficacy) that impact the issues he wants to emphasize.

    In short, he is pulling another Hispanic crime rates argument on all of us. My conclusion: Mr. Unz is yet another very smart guy who can’t see the forest for the trees.

    • Replies: @Realist
  176. @Anon

    You said: I think Ron would highly benefit from studying how the vaccine trials were conducted, rather than simply say “Let me reemphasize, I don’t know or care anything about vaccines, certainly including the Covid vaccines. I have absolutely no interest in trying to research the subject, any more than I bother researching the details of an automobile engine if I just want to drive a car somewhere.”
    I agree 100% … and still he defends here the vaccines. Why? Cui bono?
    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=239592

  177. Publius 2 says:

    Question 4– Let’s move on to vaccines, although I should note that you did not answer my question. I didn’t ask whether you think Cuomo and the rest did a ‘good or bad job’, but whether you thought the “Governors usurped powers that are not provided to them under their state constitutions?” For many of us, this is a critical issue as it ….

    No Jew is able to comprehend any limit on government power. Not even Ron.

    They are not _constituted_ like us.

    Ron didn’t understand the question.

  178. @Bardon Kaldian

    D3 recommended dosage in winter in latitudes greater than 35 degrees is at least 5000iu’s daily along with magnesium. The magnesium is necessary due to our depleted soils and is needed to absorb the D3. This is a prophylactic, along with zinc. The D3 and zinc should be taken year round if you do not spend time in the sun. Also darker skinned people do not absorb vitamin D as readily from sunlight.

    At onset of symptoms, Ivermectin is said to be safe and effective, and can also be taken prophylactically. Dr Ryan Cole has some interesting videos on the subject, if they haven’t been removed. Also HCQ and a z-pac for early out patient treatment.

    I have two friends who got the vaccine (mRNA double jab) and still later came down with COVID. One had a fever of 105 degrees and was sick for 2 weeks. The other had it go to her chest and had pneumonia symptoms. I haven’t heard if she is fully recovered.

    I would have more trust in the vaccine industry if there was honest debate from both sides permitted in the MSM. Their obsession with controlling the messaging and censoring dissenting opinion makes me suspicious.

    I am fortunately retired and live in a rural area. I go to town to shop early in the morning about once a week, avoid crowds, and I am very careful to wash my hands when returning from town. I sometimes go days without speaking to another human. I believe that is probably a safer course to follow than getting an experimental jab.

  179. Iris says:
    @Dumbo

    But we are supposed not to say anything and just accept it as 100% right, “because they know better”.

    You nailed it.

    The first problem is that vaccines, or any other solution to eliminate Covid19 for that matter, are promoted by Western political establishments who have been caught up lying most of the time.

    The second is that Western politicians are themselves blatantly promoting scientific fake news, such as their refusal to acknowledge the efficiency of the more traditional Russian and Chinese viral vaccines (of which over 1,6 billion doses have been administered).

    The third is their overall, abject failure at tackling the pandemic as much as 16 months after it started . Why would anyone trust their guidance on vaccines or anything else, when comparing their continued incompetence to China’s sterling Covid19 success? Didn’t they have enough time to learn from their betters?

    It is very, very, very difficult not to become nihilistic and desperate when you live in the West.
    But even if we are governed by totally incompetent and corrupt politicians, we still have a family, belong to a society, and share our life with other human beings we care about. It was my personal reason to take a viral Covid19 vaccine, but it is wrong to mandate them on those who don’t want to.

  180. @onebornfree

    ……I couldn’t care less what you believe about the virus, or its mutant variants, or the experimental “vaccines.” This isn’t an abstract argument over “the science.” It is a fight … a political, ideological fight. On one side is democracy, on the other is totalitarianism. Pick a fucking side, and live with it.”

    So the unvaccinated that currently fill Florida’s hospitals are all brothers in arms against totalitarianism?

    Putting yourself in the hospital seems like a pretty dumb way of fighting the system.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fl-hospital-moves-to-red-zone-due-to-delta-variant-90-percent-of-patients-unvaccinated/ar-AAMA3VY?ocid=BingNewsSearch

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Troll: allergic2katz
    • Replies: @JackOH
  181. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    Oh dear my Ron Unz, he trust government “figures” and “stats”. He even trusts China CCP’s official numbers!
    Just look at the official story of the recent flood in China!
    Watch this and judge for yourselves!

    Ron, with all due respect, your theory is a true “conspiratorial” of a unique genre!
    Your “reasoning” is totally rubbished by all “official numbers”. The Covid Master must have loved your great contribution to their deceiving effort!

  182. Realist says:
    @Monotonous Languor

    My conclusion: Mr. Unz is yet another very smart guy who can’t see the forest for the trees.

    I agree with your comments…but the above statement may or may not be true…what do you base it on?

  183. The arguments given here seem to hinge on statistics and the legitimacy of sources of scientific opinion as well as that of the statistics used. Unless you are a medical scientist with intimate knowledge of viruses you have to take what you hear on faith (I could argue science is just another religion in some ways but that’s neither here nor there), I’m reminded of a quote. “Statistics are used as a drunk uses a light pole. For support not illumination.” Also this one- “When you see everyone going in the same direction run as fast as you can in the other direction, for those are the sheep going to the slaughter.” Let’s consider scientists themselves. Are we to believe they are merely wanderers along the shores of the universe seeking knowledge, or are they just people. Are we to believe they are pure of heart eager to further the development of humanity? Who do you think works for the weapons industry inventing all sorts of vile weapons of destruction. Something to consider before you take it all on faith.

  184. Tom Verso says:
    @MGB

    Thank you for your most cogent comment about the accuracy of CDC numbers.

    I have been meaning to write a second comment on that subject.

    Interesting anecdote:
    One day during Aug, 2020, I fell into a Covid conversation with a man repairing my computer.

    He told me that he has personal friend who is the Head Medical Examiner for the county.
    The Examiner said that the number of deaths in July 2020 was less than deaths in July 2019.

    Of course this is one number in a massive database but it makes you wonder just how accurate the CDC numbers are.

    Clearly, the CDC is politicized. Any report it publishes has to be questioned.

    Unz mystifies me. I came to TUR through his absolutely brilliant statistical analysis of education and race statistics in his American Pravda Series.
    The man knows how to analyze social statistical data – no doubt.

    Yet, everything he writes on Covid would get a failing grade in elementary database analysis course.

    A scientist he knows that the first step in scientific inquire is ‘accurate measurement’.
    The second step is accurate recording of measurements.

    Unless and until those two steps are verified, there is no science.

    • Replies: @HCQ
  185. geokat62 says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Robert Dolan asks “Why do I need a vaccine for a virus that has death rate of .2%?

    And why should anyone care if I take the jab or not?”

    Ron Unz’s response?

    Trust Big Pharma, goy! I do.

  186. Tony Hall says:

    Reiner Fuellmich has been leading a very public and intense program of interdisciplinary research on the Internet. Rather than devoting himself to policing “conspiracy theories,” Mr. Fuellmich offers a life-affirming overview of the larger picture highlighting the scam being directed our way.

    https://rumble.com/vkjv5b-boom-explosive-reiner-fuellmich-speaking-to-all-levels-of-the-scam.html

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  187. Vaterland says:

    Well, to be honest, the general anti-vaxxer, anti-lockdown, great reset stuff was what finally pushed me away from the (far) and especially the American right. I can fully understand when someone distrusts the American government, but a virus is a physical reality independent of whatever your government is doing and most of it was bad. It was neither fish nor meat, we should have had immediate hard lock downs for 2-4 weeks and under normal circumstances I would have taken a vaccine as soon as available. Instead everything was dragged out, there was no plan, no coordination, only a media narrative. And the fact that we even have a culture war about these issues in ‘the West’ is irresponsible and an expression of our dysfunctionality, well founded deep mistrust and multi-generational government failure. I expected around a million deaths in the USA and around 100-150k in Germany, so far it seems to hold up. They are in the realm of what states of this size can handle a year, but it would have gotten dramatically worse, if nothing had been done and if the hospitals had gotten overwhelmed it would have developed into an absolute catastrophe.

    I had more trust in Germany, because I did believe that the Robert Koch Institut and our medical system is general are still good, but far from singing praises of the MSM, I think they are among the worst culprits who generated unnecessary distrust and hostilities.

    But the alt-media and alt-right and social media types became incredibly unreliable in my eyes and while I distrust the MSM since a long time, I don’t trust them any more either. I am not proud that I had initially gotten baited into the whole great reset stuff, where the US-Fox-libertarian-Jesus right FINALLY had a German villain again to generate distraction and clicks and denial. “No our government isn’t failing us, it’s not incompetent. NAZI SCHWAB IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD! HITLER 2.0!!” Vaccine passports are Juden-Sterne and the Rothschild banker Macron is “Vichy” Macron of course… Many Americans are so utterly brainwashed.

    When it comes to race, crime, immigration, wars for Israel and cultural rot, the right generally had the facts on their side, largely denied or excluded from the MSM, but it slipped back into the big world conspiracy and unreliable, fact-detached, emotional confusion of the Qanon type. When the lock downs finally end, the vaccines have proven significantly less harmful than the virus, when life goes back to normal and when there was no world take over by the World Economic Forum, the right will look dumb as it so often did; just as it looked dumb when it shouted all the time “Merkel has to go” and she now comfortably retires. You look weak and/or crazy, ignorant. And it was a fatal mistake for the AfD to copy this nonsense from America as our left copies the BLM insanity which cost them more than half of their votes and might, among other factors, eliminate the right in this country for good. – If you have the entire MSM and establishment against you, you have to be more reliable and effective than them, not less. At the same time Covid brought out the inner tyrant in a lot of people who finally had a permission slip to commit acts of everyday pettiness, small cruelties and micro-dictatorship which I did find revealing and worrying.

    But Unz sits in a glass house, too. If we take the “vaxxed = educated” as the standard, then I’m pretty sure that the average MSM believing, fully vaxxed and booster shotted US citizen, who thinks of anti-vaxxers as Fox watching neanderthals, will also think of Mr. Unz as at best a total crackpot, or a Chinese propagandist or a Putin shill for suggesting that Sars-CoV-2 is a US bio-weapon.

    It is quite revealing that it is easier and less controversial to find a dissenting conclusion about a certain historical event in the past, for which I were to go to jail, if I typed it out. And I can understand why some might think this applies to *viral* bio-politics, too. But it doesn’t. We live in a system in which the post-WW 2 consensus liberalism has become quasi-totalitarian and its dissidents demand more liberalism, democracy and human rights, trying to reclaim ground which the left had abandoned decades ago and proclaim it as the conservative position.

  188. geokat62 says:
    @Publius 2

    That’s when the (((west))) figured out how to use this hoax to attack whites and stop the revolution (self-defense) we’ve been trying worldwide since 2015.

    This is the only issue we should be focusing on… and ignore all the distractions that have been and will be thrown our way.

    Sovereignty for our people!

  189. Anon[269] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    To be fair to Mr. Unz:
    1) Great thank you for the interview. An attitude to be commended! (Personally, I wouldn’t have chosen Whitney)
    2) The videos about coins and spoons sticking to people’s arms are just terrible, like believing a magic trick, for under 80 IQs. So no wonder no one wants to touch that. Who would.

    Unfortunately for me, a friend sent me a photo three weeks ago. She —a woman, a bit ditzy to say the truth— went to Miami to stay with her girlfriend. The girlfriend had had the Moderna the day before. A spoon was sticking vertically to her arm. My ditzy friends swears she took the picture herself, and then she erased the pic from WhatsApp because.. well I guess she became scared. She’s the type who apologizes for erasing a photo. Needless to say, she did not get the vaccine. Anyone else has seen something similar with their own lyin’ eyes? I can’t believe this is true and there is no uproar.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  190. @Dumbo

    China is the only supposed “lockdown success story”, but we don’t really have enough information about what happened in China.

    Singapore also did a lockdown, very early and vigorously. There was high degree of cooperation by the population.

    From your description of how Japan handled it, there appears to be some correlation can be seen with the death figures per million of population
    USA 1889
    UK 1900
    Japan 121
    Singapore 6
    China 3
    Hong Kong 26
    Taiwan 33

    One thing noticed in Singapore is the disproportionate number of Caucasians who were caught flouting the lockdown/masking rules. There is certainly a cultural factor at play here.

  191. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    Is the website you feature next to your name A123 your own or just a website you admire?
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

    This quote tells us all we need to know about you:

    President Trump supported America-First, and President Lopez-Obrador supported Mexico-First; neither Trump nor AMLO put corporate needs in front of their citizens.

    The latter. It is a site that I wish to promote.

    Trump has done more to block Corporate interests than any other President in my lifetime. If the U.S. can be saved, MAGA is what will save it for U.S. Citizens. He is not perfect, no human is. However, if you look at what he was up against — He achieved a great deal.

    MAGA literally reshaped the sides. Trump ejected Wall Street, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and violent neocons from the Republican Party. There is now:
        • GOP — MAGA Workers party
        • DNC — SJW Globalist MegaCorporation party
    The transformation of the GOP is still incomplete. Establishment detritus, such as Liz Cheney, is still trying to hang on. However, you have just lived through a pivotal moment in U.S. history. The end of the Uniparty.

    Deranged, anti-factual, #NeverTrump hate raging is both provocative and insulting. If you want to start a fight, mental dribbling about Trump is the way to do it.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  192. JackOH says:
    @John Johnson

    JJ, I have an acquaintance in his very early 60s who announced that he’s taking retirement at age 62. He’s between jobs now, and, as he declared, he believes it likely prospective employers will require proof of vaccination before hire. By gosh, he’s discovered he’s opposed to vaccine mandates, so, as he’d like others to believe, he’s taking a principled stand for freedom and “reluctantly” retiring before he’d like to. Everyone who knows L. knows his “virtue cover” is hooey, but they play along.

  193. gsjackson says:
    @Realist

    Odd that, because prior to covid-time it’s been widely known and publicized that the people who actually are “anti-vax,” which is to say people who have concerns about a wider array of vaccines than simply those designed for covid, are significantly wealthier and have a higher education level than the norm. They simply are people who regularly read and consume information beyond that provided by the corporate media.

    • Thanks: Realist
  194. Redman says:
    @notbe

    Ok. But Sweden had its 8th lowest death rate in 21 years. This is the country that did the least in terms of a reaction by governmental public health folks.

    There will always be a lot of speculation about what caused the 500K or so excess deaths in the US. Poor general health (and the rapid aging) of Americans is a good place to start.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  195. Miro23 says:
    @Dumbo

    We are also supposed to accept to be injected (on pain of losing our jobs or freedom of movement) by new types of vaccines (mRNA and adenovirus) that have not been used before and not even completed Phase IV. We should even submit our children and unborn children to such experiment.

    But if we are even just slightly concerned about it we are “crazy anti-vaxxers” and “conspiracy theorists” or “selfish” (??!!).

    One way or the other the vax debate will resolve itself. If the vaccines are as dangerous as they’re made out to be – then millions will be needing intensive hospital care in the next 2-3 years. It will be easy to compare hospitalization rate between the vaccinated and non-vaccinated population.

    Apart from that, forced medical treatment is illegal in international law – and being excluded from shops, restaurants and transport looks a lot like state coercion.

    Furthermore, it doesn’t even make sense in terms of contagion – 1) Vaccinated people are supposed to be protected so what are they worrying about – do they think that the vaccines don’t work? 2) Vaccinated people have now discovered that they can catch Covid 19 from other vaccinated people, have the same viral load, and pass it on to other vaccinated people – so they were right to worry. The vaccines don’t work. 3) The fatality risk of Covid 19 is so low for people under 25 that natural immunity is the obvious route (it’s free, more effective and longer lasting) so they rightly ask why they are being bribed with free cups of coffee and free cinema tickets to get vaccinated (the UK government was never very generous).

    Prizes for having the jab: As No. 10 plans to hand out Uber rides and takeaways, insiders reveal free coffee and cinema tickets could be new incentives to beat Covid vaccine hesitancy in youngsters

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9850193/Coffee-cinema-tickets-new-incentives-beat-Covid-vaccine-hesitancy-youngsters.html?offset=3401&max=100.

  196. Schuetze says:

    Protocols of the Billionaire Owners of Big Pharma:

    Protocol 6: Covid Tests DO NOT Indicate Which Variant People Have!

    Every thinking person is wondering just precisely how the CDC, NIH, WHO and all the Media know that the Delta variant is spreading like “chicken pox”. They still haven’t isolated the Sars-Cov-2 virus in a human being, yet they know for certain that it was the “Delta” variant that caused 4 million Indians to die in weeks right when the mass campaign of the experimental mRNA therapies were being foisted on the sheeple of planet earth.

    Tim Truth records several phone calls to Covid testing centers to see if they can test for the “Delta Variant”. Not one can.


    • Replies: @InnerCynic
    , @Schuetze
  197. Tom Verso says:
    @JimDandy

    The essence of my comment is that we are in a uniquely historical situation and comprehensive objective statistical analysis must be done before we can establish causal conclusions.

    The first step in scientific research is accurate measurement,
    The second step is accurate recording of measurement.

    The CDC is a politicized organization. Its various varying contradictory publications and announcements render anything it publishes suspect. An any objective researcher must verify that the numbers such as deaths in 2020 are accurate.

    Ron Unz accepts CDC numbers and Wall Street Journal/New York Times numbers as True – no doubt.
    I don’t understand how a man with his scientific education and who has done brilliant education statistical analysis in his American Pravda Series is so uncritical of these demonstrably politicized organizations.

    Last August 2020 the Head Medical Examiner of my county told a fried of mine that the number of deaths in the country in July 2020 was less than the number in July 2019.

    An antidote, but it gives one pause.

    Even if the CDC numbers are accurate; analysis would have to be done on geographic distribution. Are there concentrations of deaths in some areas and less in others. Then correlates. would be looked for in the high concentration areas.

    Etc. Etc. I think you get my drift.

    We need vigorous social statistical analysis starting with accuracy of measurement and moving on to descriptive statistics and only then inferential statistics implying causality.

    • Agree: allergic2katz
  198. gsjackson says:
    @onebornfree

    It would be great to still be able to read CJ at UR, but apparently he has been cancelled for crackpottery.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  199. MLK says:

    Regarding the 2020 election, Biden was a terrible candidate and many of the policies he and his supporters advocated were dreadful, thereby almost allowing Trump to win reelection. My feeling is that there was an absolutely massive anti-Democrat/anti-Biden vote and also an absolutely massive anti-Trump vote, but relatively few people were strong supporters of either candidate. That’s pretty similar to what had happened in 2016 when Trump beat Hillary Clinton.

    This one short paragraph tells Ron’s tale. We should first note that he had to be prompted to address the address the driving context (“Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play”).

    Biden was a terrible candidate and many of the policies he and his supporters advocated were dreadful, . . .

    If you believe he won fair and square than he wasn’t a terrible candidate. Moreover, simple reverse engineering reveals why his nomination was engineered when otherwise it was going to be Bernie. It’s been memory-holed but the Iowa Democrat Primary was a test run for what they planned in the general. In the interest of brevity I won’t belabor why Biden was actually the perfect candidate for them given the narrative they had settled on from the beginning: Trump defeated himself. It didn’t matter who they put up against him. Biden as candidate was an in your face parody of Obama as an empty vessel in ’08.

    . . . thereby almost allowing Trump to win reelection.

    Where were you at the end of 2019, completing a long vacation on a desert island?! Trump was headed toward reelection in a landslide at the end of 2019, despite everything anyone who is anybody globally had done to prevent it. Worse, his support among blacks and Hispanics was at historic, game over for the Democrat Party levels. Again, use that sensitive and sharp brain of yours to noodle through some reverse engineering.

    My feeling is that there was an absolutely massive anti-Democrat/anti-Biden vote and also an absolutely massive anti-Trump vote, but relatively few people were strong supporters of either candidate. That’s pretty similar to what had happened in 2016 when Trump beat Hillary Clinton

    You need to work on getting ahold of your feelings, they’ve lead you astray even at this late date looking back. You just told us Biden was a terrible candidate. I explained why behind the curtain he was if not the perfect candidate the best fit under the totality of the circumstances. You just have to get your mind around something — the anti-Trump alignment, foreign and domestic, was not going to give way to a Trump win like they were forced to in 2016. Everything you saw throughout 2020, Fake News and Fake Polls, was laying the predicate for stealing the election. They of course tried to get it close enough that Trump would be forced to concede. That ain’t what happened.

    . . . but relatively few people were strong supporters of either candidate.

    Those mere ten words confirm what I’ve argued for years now about Trump, he makes some people feel so bad about themselves they’d rather die than admit that he’s built a working and middle class MAGA movement 75-100M strong.

    • Replies: @A123
  200. @Publius 2

    Ron, the thing in Italy at the beginning was also fake.

    Looks like they are using fake hospitals again in Florida. They even have crisis actor staff telling us that the unvaccinated regret their decision. Nice try but we aren’t buying into fully staffed crisis hospitals. Another obvious ploy.

    https://kyma.com/dsw-living/health/2021/07/28/staff-at-a-florida-hospital-say-they-are-hearing-panic-fear-and-regret-from-unvaccinated-covid-19-patients/

    The disease exists only in the pages of (((western MSM))).

    Exactly and that is why I am going to a Covid Freedom makeout session later to prove it doesn’t exist. I will be meeting up with a dozen similarly minded people and we will be having makeout sessions all night to show that we will not be controlled by media fear. I have been told there may be a shortage of women but I will not let that stop us in our efforts. This is about freedom and if two men want to make out to show the international Jewish media who is charge then that is what it will take.

  201. @brabantian

    Thanks and it is likely that many world leaders got placebos…we have no way of tracking whether or not that Gates, Fauci, Schwab, etc… got actual shots that were not placebos.

    Maybe the Coumo, Whitmer, Macron, Johnson, Biden, Obama, etc got the M-RNA etc, and perhaps they are going to die earlier than the may have thought….well frankly they are all already dead, but that is another question.

  202. Wonderful stimulating article. Congratulations to both authors for a job well done.

  203. BadUnz says:

    How can Ron Unz be the guy who published the American Pravda series but also rely on arguments like “x% of scientists agree” or “I get my news from the NYT and WSJ”? A very interesting mind to say the least.

  204. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    What do you get from licking Ron Unz’s asshole here?

  205. Memejon says:

    He has that polish, I don’t care, kind of thinking… don’t trust anyone over 60. The shutdowns should be for the idiot 80 year olds like fucki.
    Why aren’t any traditional vaccines available to the free trade USA?

  206. @Robinski

    We have to watch what happens to President Obrador now.

  207. Publius 2 says:

    The “vaccine” is causing the increased sickness everywhere, obviously. During the summer. Because about 50% of people are retarded, ignorant sheep who ran out to get the jab, we are now walking around in a situation like 50% have a cold and are contagious. At the same time we stopped wearing masks. Now many people who did not get sick between February 2020 and February 2021 are getting sick. Gee whilikers, after the vaccine got rolled out.

    The “vaccinated” are CAUSING everyone to catch a cold. It’s obvious.

    While MSM blames the un-vaxxed!!!!

    Once again we on the right were correct.

    Just use logic.

    It is a worldwide NWO plot. It is.

    Ron resorts to typical Jew arguing here. Citing to the (((AMA))). LMAO.

    The leftist sheep are wrong about everything, including the virus hoax, and their stupidity threatens us all.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  208. @Skip Scott

    This can’t be said enough:

    I would have more trust in the vaccine industry if there was honest debate from both sides permitted in the MSM. Their obsession with controlling the messaging and censoring dissenting opinion makes me suspicious.

    The tell: those arguing here for the Pfizer, etc., products scarcely acknowledge it and none defends it.

    Censorship = cowardice

  209. Poison Vaccines are for the suicidal and insane. This has been proven over and over for the last 100 years. And is Unz controlled opposition? The hoax was a hoax, there was no “virus”, they faked all the numbers. Deaths from other causes were double counted. The medical community is brainwashed, they strongly believe in depopulation and eugenics. With that in mind, their actions for the last 100 years make “sense”. It is evil, but consistent.

  210. Gary says:

    Don’t miss the obvious. Ron was forced to kiss butt after being accused of anti-Semitism after featuring many articles criticizing Jews, Israel, etc. on his website.

    He’s trying to appear kosher now by siding with Woke establishment about Covid and the Killer “vaccines,”

    He learnt his lesson from criticizing the Chosen People.

  211. @gsjackson

    No, he withdrew voluntarily due to concerns about the reach of German laws limiting speech.

    • Thanks: gsjackson
  212. John Wear says:

    The test used to detect the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated in 1983 with the invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) by Kary Mullis. Real-time PCR, hereafter abbreviated as RT-PCR, is a common tool for detecting and quantifying expression profiles of selected genes. However, Mullis said that the RT-PCR test should not be used for testing infectious diseases. Thus, the RT-PCR test used to diagnose the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been described by its inventor as inappropriate for diagnosing viruses. Mullis died in August 2019, so unfortunately he is no longer around for interviews.

    So we are using a test to detect SARS-CoV-2 which its inventor said should never be used to detect a virus. To the best of my knowledge, the SARS-CoV-2 virus has never been isolated. Dr. Andrew Kaufman, M.D. states that what is identified under the microscopes as the SARS-CoV-2 virus is actually identical to exosomes, which are structures that release toxins from cells. Such toxins can result from numerous sources such as flu shots having no relationship to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    I do not have a scientific or medical background. However, based on watching videos from medical professionals such as Dr. Andrew Kaufman, Dr. Carrie Madej, D.O., Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, D.O., Dr. Tom Cowan, M.D., and Dr. Peter McCullough M.D., I think the COVID-19 pandemic is a complete scam. I also think the COVID-19 shots are not vaccines, but rather extremely dangerous bioweapons designed to change the human genome.

  213. Well it seems China is locking down for the new variant. So much for ending the infection of the virus. I still like to know how the experts know “delta” is a variant of Covid? Anyway I have a simple theory with respect to vaccines, and this theory applies to many things. Do they call you a name if you dare to question? If so, know your doubts are actually founded in reason. Name calling isn’t a much of a substitute for a legitimate argument. So I wear the anti vaxxer slur with pride. Also none the Covid “vaccines” are actually vaccines. For the rest of the day, I’m playing in the sun and get some natural Vitamin D – the only real anti virus thing out there. Mask free too.

  214. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, therefore it does not exist, the flu exists and has be renamed as covid-19 and this scam and psyop is being used to get people to take the injections of mRNA which alters the DNA and destroys the immune system and acts as a genocide and depopulation agent, which is what the globalist kabal wants, they want to depopulate the planet.

    Last week the CDC aka crime and death corporation said this: The CDC urges labs to use covid tests that differentiate from the flu. In other words the CDC is admitting that PCR tests have been showing the flu, covid-19 is the flu, and this all a scam and psyop. Kerry Mullis the inventor of the PCR test said that it was not be used to detect infectious diseases and he also said Fauci was a fraud, he conviently died on 8-7-2019.

    The globalists behind this scam and psyop are UN Agenda 2030, the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, the WEF, the CDC, the WHO, the World Bank, the IMF, the FED and all the zionist owned central banks of the world, all the major corporations Walmart, etc., etc..

    Covid-19 is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world.

  215. geokat62 says:

    Although I can’t be sure, here’s my suspicion about why some of this misinformation took such strong hold. Soon after the Covid outbreak in Wuhan was first revealed to the world, various anti-China groups and websites began producing and promoting propaganda-videos claiming that Chinese society was collapsing from this deadly disease. Some of these hugely popular videos showed Chinese people supposedly dropping dead while walking in the streets, and sometimes suggested that Covid was a deadly Chinese bioweapon that had somehow escaped from one of their weapons labs and would wipe out much of China’s population.

    With your disclaimer firmly planted, you describe what I think is the most important aspect of the covid drama we’ve been subjected to for the last year and a half.

    So, you’ve put out your hypothesis that this was a bioweapon attack targeting China (and Iran) that was most likely orchestrated by 5 or 6 rogue neocons in the Trumpstein cabinet.

    Now, if your hypothesis is correct that “various anti-China groups and websites” put out those super scary videos of people dropping dead from the Ro, why didn’t the Chinese government do anything (I mean nothing) to try and refute the authenticity of those videos.

    Why didn’t they come out and make a public statement that the videos depicting people dropping like flies on the streets of Wuhan were 100% fake news?

    Given the gravity of what was being orchestrated against them, why didn’t the Chinese government expose these shame videos that were produced by “various anti-China groups and websites,”
    presumably including Falun Gong?

    In your response, perhaps you could address this little complicating issue:

    You have to keep in mind that China is a communist country and they don’t allow just anyone to randomly film things especially involving “government officials,” as we do in the US.
    If something was recorded, it was ok’d by the government.
    But the people who posted these types of videos went to great lengths to make you believe that you were watching a real-life takedown.

    I pulled that quote from an article posted by revolver news.

    I’ll leave your readers with the concluding paragraphs of that article, How Phony Coronavirus “Fear Videos” Were Used as Psychological Weapons to Bring America to Her Knees:

    As it stands now, we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface of this Coronavirus pandemic plot…it would be the most bizarre story ever told if it wasn’t so obvious what really went down.
    We were purposely bamboozled and tricked into thinking that a virus that caused brain swelling, convulsions, and spontaneous death was coming to our shores, and if we didn’t close our businesses, lock ourselves in our homes, and surrender our liberties millions of us would die.

    That was the message which was delivered loud and clear for two months.
    It all started with those early videos out of China. They were the very first building blocks of a coordinated marketing campaign to reboot America.
    Just look at the totality of what happened as a result of the pandemic and ask yourself who benefited most from all of those “perfectly-timed” events. I think if you do that, and also consider the well-crafted fear campaign that was foisted upon all of us, you will agree that my “working theory” holds water.

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/

    • Thanks: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  216. Mevashir says:
    @Ktulu

    34% of the country isn’t reading the result of the anti-vax crowd’s gold mine for spreading their psychosis (although their concers are completely legitimate), they are young people doing risk benefit analysis on getting an undertested experimental vaccine vs getting a virus they know they will amost certianly beat.

    Very good comments. The above is exactly my 18-year-old daughter’s reasoning. She lives in Florida, a senior in high school, and she told me she doesn’t know a single person, including the parents of her school friends and her church crowd, that has received the vaccine!

    I do think you are making a deeper mystery than is necessary. It’s pretty clear that big Pharma controls the CDC and the US government’s response. They have made an agreement to promote the experimental vaccines at all costs. If Ron is correct that this was a biowarfare agent, then perhaps these vaccines are being promoted in order to test effective antidotes to Future biowarfare schemes.

    I think this whole situation proves that the Unabomber, who opposed scientific research and technology across the board, had a lot of insight. Every research project is a double-edged sword with benefits and damages depending on who wields the technology. But unfortunately the military seems to have endless resources to hijack new technologies into The Killing sphere.

  217. @David B

    And for goodness sake, you come right out and say that you know nothing about vaccines and have no interest in researching the matter.

    And that was just one of a half dozen times he said he had no interest in a crucial issue. No interest in Ivermectin. No interest in Trump’s advocacy of hydroxychloroquine and the hysterical reaction of the media to it. No interest in the legal issue that precludes an emergency authorization for vaccines if there is an effective therapeutical treatment.

    Ron argues from ignorance on almost every issue, taking the government/big media position on everything, including who to identify as experts in the field. This is in stark opposition to the epidemiological approach, which advises meticulous attention to every observational, legal and political issue of relevance.

    My score has Whitney over Unz 10 to zip.

    • Agree: Schuetze, acementhead
  218. Mevashir says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Thank you for this great comment. Especially given your background in biochemistry and dentistry your observations are very valuable.

    Ron’s insouciance about the vaccine, self admitted in the above article, really surprised and disappointed me. It seemed to open the gates for an avalanche of excellent readers’ comments in this thread, of which yours is a good example. I’m at least grateful that Ron permits uncensored comments and reader feedback. That suggests that he is not only brilliant but also capable of being further educated, a humble attitude that I have observed is quite rare among Elite academics. So thank you Ron Unz.

    About MoeSad. I didn’t mean to hurt Ron’s feelings claiming he might be backed by them. MoeSad is something like a headhunting firm for brilliant intellectuals. They will finance all sorts of academics using multiple shell companies in order to further their purposes. You might receive support from them without even knowing that they are the ultimate agency behind the curtain.

  219. Schuetze says:
    @A little boy in the crowd

    They started out claiming that the vaccines were 99% effective in preventing infection. Then it was 90% effective and reduces the symptoms. Now we find out just as many vaccinated are getting infected as unvaccinated. The lies get bigger and bigger. The Pfizer efficacy is declining to under 50% in a matter of months, so in Israel they are already starting boosters.

    More importantly they are focusing on the children now, a group that isn’t at threat at all for a vaccine that doesn’t work with multiple Vaccine Adverse Reaction databases in multiple countries showing tens if not hundreds of thousands have died and millions are suffering adverse reactions. France in Italy are implementing Jim Crow laws and turning unvaccinated into second class citizens. One wonders when the unvaccinated will be forced to use separate drinking fountains.

    CNN wants to ban unvaccinated from work, school or even the supermarket. Don Lemon wants a 21st Century American Holodomor.

    So the most important question now is “Why are they so hell bent on getting 100% of the population vaccinated?”.

    – One very strong theory is that this is part the great reset and the Billionaire Club’s push for population reduction.

    – Another theory is that they just want more mind and behavior control.

    – A third reason could just be big Pharma greed.

    – A fourth reason, which is not mutually exclusive of the previous ones, is that they cannot allow a large control group of unvaccinated people to remain as proof of what they have done with their clot-shot. If everyone is vaccinated then there will be no debate whether we are suffering from a “pandemic of the vaccinated” or a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”. If everyone is vaccinated then only the narrative behind each wave of new variants will be relevant.

    This is very similar to the coverup of the release of this gain-of-functioned lab created “virus”. As long as there is no smoking gun proof or clear evidence of who released Sars-Cov-2 and why, then they can keep distracting everyone with new “variants”. They learned this lesson with the dancing Israeli’s on September 11, 2001.

  220. Mevashir says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Mr. Unz has been gifted with such analytical prowess – it’s a real travesty to witness the denial of his God-given abilities.

    Great comments and good observation above. You are guilt-tripping him like a good Jewish mother into greater levels of integrity!

  221. @Wim

    In Thailand last year there were less than 100 dead out of a population of 70 million. Once they started pimping the “vaxx” infections and deaths soared. Coincidence?

    • Replies: @DOUBTFUL
  222. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Now, if your hypothesis is correct that “various anti-China groups and websites” put out those super scary videos of people dropping dead from the Ro, why didn’t the Chinese government do anything (I mean nothing) to try and refute the authenticity of those videos.

    The Chinese were pretty busy trying to prevent the Covid outbreak from destroying their country. Why would they much care about the ridiculous videos that fringe anti-China activists were promoting on Western websites and social media?

    You have to keep in mind that China is a communist country and they don’t allow just anyone to randomly film things especially involving “government officials,” as we do in the US.
    If something was recorded, it was ok’d by the government.
    But the people who posted these types of videos went to great lengths to make you believe that you were watching a real-life takedown.

    What makes you believe any of those videos were actually filmed in China? Because the anti-China activists promoting them said so? Maybe they lied…

    The sort of people who take these types of articles seriously are just a bunch of morons. The author claims he had watched “hundreds” of secret videos supposedly smuggled out of China showing scenes of total death and devastation, and he naturally believed they were real because they were being promoted by the anti-China activists whom he trusted.

    And when he eventually discovered that they were all ridiculous and fake, he blamed China for having produced them, which they obviously didn’t.

    In his most recent article about a related matter, Andrew Anglin says “Conservatives have bought into all of this because they’re stupid.” Columns like this certainly prove that point.

  223. salience says:
    @BuelahMan

    Vaccine lies and nonsense. A piece I wrote a few days ago based on a scientific paper that found “Balanced B and T cell response required to control SARS-CoV-2”. My conclusions:

    “What this boils down to is a rather stark reality: If the findings are confirmed, the persons most likely to benefit from mRNA COVID vaccines are those who are in very good to excellent health to start with, those with immunological normality, and these are the very persons who are at little risk from the disease!

    “Secondly, those at most risk of contracting serious disease are those for whom the purported benefits of mRNA vaccines are seriously in doubt!”

    Read my analysis at https://peterwebster.substack.com/p/b-cells-t-cells-and-mrna-vaccines

    • Replies: @Iris
  224. @Carlton Meyer

    Let me add that everyone overlooks the fact that these vaccines are good for only 6-8 months, this according their manufactures and a study by the Veterans Administration. So half the “vaccinated” are no longer vaccinated and explains why so many are getting COVID. The CDC is waffling about allowing booster jabs.

    When people evaluate the risk of serious side effects from getting the jab, they assume only one jab. Will they get two jabs a year for the rest of their life? According to Dr. Bahdki in the video I linked, some of the vaccine enters the blood stream where it cannot escape and may clot up things in the heart and brain. Every new jab adds more clot residue. In addition, the vaccine fools the immune system the first time to produce spike proteins, but immune systems learn and will react different if given a booster shot, and that may get ugly.

    Is the plan to jab 12-year olds with a booster every six months forever? They’ll be dead before age 20! The CDC now knows this evidenced by its refusal to allow booster shots.

    Note there are cases where even approved FDA vaccines have been withdrawn from use after mistakes were admitted, but does our politically corrupted FDA have the courage to do this anymore? I hope so since they’ve shown courage by refusing to allow booster shots.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  225. blacks are the biggest anti-vaxxers out there. Go call blacks idiots and crackpots,see what happens.Go sit in the hood and explain to them to get the shot. All I ever hear on the radio are all these public health commercials with a black sheboon voice telling POC to get the shot. “It’s safe” It’s very safe” that’s all I ever hear. So then we will hear how black people are the ones dying the most. And yet they refuse to get the shot. Seems like Whites love attacking each other over everyone else. Whites always preaching to other Whites all this holier than thou bs. Go run your mouth in the coonmunities of color. Watch how fast they knock your teeth out.

  226. @Schuetze

    Covid tests? How can there even be a test when there are no published standards to which this supposed test is to be administered? Its all “trust us. We know whats good for ya”

    • Agree: Schuetze
  227. @John Johnson

    Natural immunity anyone? You’re clutching your pearls as though the vaxx is the only thing keeping you from shuttling off this mortal coil.

  228. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Vaxx’d people getting covid? Most drugs never make it past the final stages of testing and are rubbished. Looks like these never would have made it to market except that they were pushed through in an atmosphere of crisis and fear. Now tens of thousands of healthy people-not the elderly or sickly- are dead or severely affected as a result of this hysterical rush. These vaxx don’t work, apparently. The ‘variant’ story is just a coverup since, according to Michael Yeadon, former Pfizer exec, the variant is so close to the original that the difference should be meaningless, antibodies to the old being able to recognize the supposedly new version. They need to pull these immediately. They could have flooded the country quickly with hq and iv but no, they had to capitalize on a crisis that promised a big payday. Thousands are dead now, needlessly. You can sit back and see the propaganda machine in high gear, cranking out rhetoric that is getting shriller and louder by the minute, screeching about how everyone needs to get the shot (which doesn’t work in real life) for a variant (which really isn’t). But the drug companies told me they work, they have the data on the stuff they’re selling, and Biden knows what’s best for us.

  229. Lots of stuff here.

    For one thing it might be best to think of the vaccine as being meant to save the economy not the people, essentially a confidence measure (con job).

    We now seem to have a better understanding of “long haul” Covid , i.e. bloodclots in the lung capillaries caused by the spike protein. It should be confirmed with some biopsies along with some material from early victims of Covid . This could also tell us why ventilators were only marginally effective.

    People were not able to breathe due to clotting rather than simple congestion. So that should affect treatment. I haven’t heard of anyone using anticoagulants in treating Covid yet. Seems like they could monitor clotting with D-Dimer tests or maybe just use an anticoagulant as a prophylactic.

    With the advent of new treatments, Covid could become treatable at reasonable prices giving us a chance at naturally acquired herd immunity.

    I want to hear more about treatments with well know drugs rather than experimental vaccines. At least that way you are actually treating the sick,

    Remember the First Rule Of Medicine:

    Do no harm.

  230. gay troll says:

    Wait until Andrew Anglin finds out that the Massachusetts COVID outbreak which prompted the CDC to reverse their guidance apparently occurred among gay men at “Bear Week” in Provincetown.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  231. Mevashir says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    I tried to register many times online for the locally offered vaccine. Each website had a glitch that prevented me from completing the registration. For example one website would send a security code to your cell phone and this feature would never work. Another website would schedule me for the first moderna vaccine and then inform me that the second one wasn’t available anywhere in the region for the next month. After three weeks of frustration I shrugged my shoulders and said “God doesn’t want me to do this” and that was okay with me.

    Then I got a phone call from a close relative who claimed he was very ill and wanted me to come out to visit him, but he stipulated I would need to get the vaccine. I explained my inability to do this and he arranged for someone in my area to drive me to the local FEMA vaccine mortuary. The day we went they happened to be offering the JJ version.

    I got the vaccine on April 8th. I was sick in bed with flu symptoms for the next two days and my arm hurt for a week. By the end of April all the bad symptoms had subsided and I thought I was out of the woods. But starting in May I developed the muscle and nerve problems in my vaccine arm. I couldn’t lift my right arm above parallel to the ground and I couldn’t use it to touch my left shoulder. I did two months of physical therapy with minimal benefit.

    I informed my relative that because of the physical therapy I could not travel out to see him in the near future. He then responded that the whole story was a ruse to force me to get the vaccine. This relative is a biotechnology scientist and a strong advocate of vaccines and big Pharma. He believes vaccine resistant people should be imprisoned … or worse.

  232. Kali says:
    @Erebus

    That’s an excellent analogy, Erebus, and offers cause for some sorely needed optimism too.

    Being a Brit I tend to get lumped in with the “populists”, though I’m in fact more anarchist in my ambitions, I’m happy to pass through populism/nationalism along the way.

    Proles, populists and deplorables united! 😉

    I’m out of “agree”, “thanks”, tags (I just used my last one up thanking you for an earlier comment) but your 1984 analogy deserves a reply anyway.

    Many thanks and fond regards,
    Kali.

  233. salience says:

    Interesting development on HCQ and Ivermectin today, reported in the FranceSoir journal :

    Un laboratoire finlandais obtient un brevet américain pour un médicament contre le Covid contenant de l’hydroxychloroquine et de l’ivermectine

    https://www.francesoir.fr/societe-science-tech/un-laboratoire-finlandais-medicament-covid-hcq-ivermectine

    “Finnish lab gets U.S. patent 0n COVID remedy containing HCQ and Ivermectin.”

  234. Schuetze says:
    @Ron Unz

    At the time of the outbreak I was following some twitter feeds that were constantly posting these videos. One of the major super spreaders of Covid panic was Eric Feigl Ding. I see that Ding is still pushing the Covid fear porn. Later I read that he was somehow associated with Epoch Times, which is strongly anti-CCP.

    In the US, Ben Hunt also published a lot of this kind of Covid hysteria. A quick scroll through his feed indicates that he has backed off is earlier panic making.

    I was also following Chris Martenson of Peak Prosperity and his daily updates about Covid. Martenson was calling Covid “the honey badger virus” and was claiming that it was being transferred by surface contact. He completely over reacted as well, and has now backed way off.

    Martenson and Hunt certainly don’t qualify as “Stupid” or “Conservatives”. Ding clearly has a hidden agenda.

    But there is one issue here that Ron Unz is avoiding: He has been double jabbed. That puts him in great company with super intelligent people like Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, and even Tony Fauci.

    • Replies: @salience
  235. Charlie says:
    @Skip Scott

    I went the Tractor Supply route. Dosing is straightforward. The Durvet “Apple Flavored” applicator tube is graduated in lbs body weight. Dosing is the standard 0.2 mg/kg (6.08 g of 1.87% IVM to treat a 1250 lb animal). You end up getting 9 mg of IVM per 100 lbs body weight.

    You can also go the official route in the US by getting an online doc to prescribe IVM tablets and pick them up at the local pharmacy. The CVS here sells 20 x 3 mg tablets for $30. This is a typical US pharma rip-off. In most parts of the non-western world a 12 mg dose would cost a couple bucks. For comparison, I bought my IVM at Tractor Supply for $4 and got 6.08 g x 1.87% = 114 mg. Check the FLCCC website section on obtaining IVM…

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/how-to-get-ivermectin/

    I’ve been following the IVM story from the start. It looked as if it were about to break into the mainstream a couple months back but no such luck. Remember all the talk of the terrible outbreak in India back in April and May? What happened to all those funeral pyres? You will never find out if you get your news from the New York Times or NPR.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  236. gottlieb says:

    This interview and comment section sums differences up well. This conversation is also not allowed in the ‘polite company’ of those who establish narrative and make the rules.

    It is interesting that on one hand there is a belief that Pandemic 2020-2021-2022 is a bio-weapon deployment that got out of hand, and on the other hand thank goodness Pfizer was there with a new miracle therapy they’d been working on for decades with no success, until the ‘luck’ of a bio-weapon got all the ducks in a row in a genome that’s never been seen before. USA!

    The current and relentless poisonous demonization against the “Unvaccinated” by for-profit media going on right now is a hop-skip-jump away from boxcars to camps.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  237. Kibol says:

    “I come from a scientific background and I prefer to believe in reality’. This is an interesting statement . Looks like you have created your own reality Ron. You are either naive or foolish , or manipulative. Science an especially statistics has been manipulated for ages.If you relay on statistics so much Perhaps you can agree with Covid Cases Are Surging in the Most-Vaxxed Countries, Not in the Least-Vaxxed
    PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS • JULY 19, 2021 • 800 WORDS. If you don’t ,as for me you are not to be trusted.

  238. Won’t somebody rid us of this troublesome commenter?

    Man Disguises Self As Illegal Immigrant So Democrats Won’t Care That He’s Unvaccinated

    https://babylonbee.com/news/man-disguises-self-as-illegal-immigrant-so-democrats-wont-care-that-hes-unvaccinated

  239. After reading this, I find myself even more perplexed about Ron Unz. A guy who has made a third career out of dismantling government media lies apparently swallows this one whole. Slurp! It’s all Trump’s fault and healthy folks are dropping like flies!

    It’s beyond perplexing really. It’s causing me to question my prior assessments of what he is really trying to accomplish here.

    This past year and a half has been a war of the boomer (elderly) affluent against all younger and much poorer generations with the working poor (middle class formerly) being dispossessed of what little they still had. But Unz and Sailer (hey, are they perchance affluent boomers?) are 100% on Team Panic.

    Nobody would have cared if they simply retreated to their vacation homes and hid for (ever), but that’s not what they did is it? And now they insist that those of us who have no fear must suck up their experimental bug juice. I see this as an act of war against me and my peers along with my successor generations. All to assuage boomers’ panic and continue their rapacious dispossession.

    • Disagree: Nancy
  240. anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Imagine if there was a 99.7% chance you would NOT poop your pants, but you were FORCED to wear a diaper “just in case. ?

  241. Liza says:
    @meamjojo

    Covid might be a virus that makes SOME people seriously sick but not enough people to shutdown economies, shutdown schools, destroy people’s savings and potential futures, put people on breadlines, etc., etc.

    There is no proof whatsoever that just because a certain cluster of symptoms exists at the same time as a certain virus, that the virus is somehow the “cause”.

    Maybe, just maybe, that virus could be the result of pathology in some area of the body? Why is this rocket science to anyone? Let’s go back to the source – the Germ Theory of Disease – or at least its misapplication and misinterpretation.

  242. Schuetze says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “these vaccines are good for only 6-8 months”. 6 months if you are lucky! This is why Israel is already starting forcing boosters on its already hyper-vaccinated population.

    According to a study by the University College London:

    Total antibody levels appear to start declining from as early as six weeks after complete vaccination and can reduce by more than 50% over 10 weeks, according to new data from UCL’s Virus Watch study.

    These findings were consistent across all groups of people regardless of age, chronic illnesses or sex.

    The findings, published as a research letter* in The Lancet, include data from over 600 people and show antibody levels are substantially higher following two doses of the Pfizer vaccine than after two doses of the AZ vaccine. They are also much higher in those with prior SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  243. @Anon

    I can’t believe this is true and there is no uproar.

    IMO, this magnetic thing does have the smell of truth about it. Too many astounding videos from around the world to dismiss out of hand. But you’re right, if this ever made it onto mainstream Western media, there would be an uproar, and the “vaccination” campaign would be dead in the water. So instead, predictably, we’re hearing crickets on this particular subject.

    Here’s a good one, where the TV show hosts were trying to debunk the claims, but ended up confirming them instead (and then abruptly ended the broadcast) –

    Mexican TV Show Tries to Debunk Magnetofection, Instead Confirms It

    https://youtu.be/lXjjOLhFnHA

    (If that video is still on YouTube, download it while you still can).

    [MORE]

    Here’s another example from Luxembourg where they tried to do some public cold-call research on the subject –

    Magnetofection – Study on the electromagnetism of vaccinated persons in Luxembourg

    https://www.efvv.eu/news/study-on-the-electromagnetism-of-vaccinated-persons-in-luxembourg

    All very interesting (“disturbing” is probably a better description). Possibly the best way to confirm it is to go line up for injection – but I’ll pass on that.

    Info just now coming out of Argentina seems to reinforce previous Spanish research which claims that all of the Corona Chan “vaccines” contain large amounts of Graphene Oxide – which the Argentine doctors seem to be quite sure is the source of the “magnetofection” phenomenon, among other highly detrimental effects (four links just to make sure the video is still there) –

    Argentine Doctors – All Western Corona Chan “Vaccines” Contain Graphene Oxide

    https://www.orwell.city/2021/07/absorption-signal.html

    https://rumble.com/vk7arl-july-22-2021.html

    https://rumble.com/embed/vhl4mb/

    https://sp.rmbl.ws/s8/2/b/z/C/b/bzCbc.caa.mp4

    • Replies: @geokat62
  244. Maddaugh says:

    Covid is now a bore. I get the feeling people are so fed up they dont care whether they get infected whether vaccinated or not. It looks like the only people wearing triple sanitary pads, tampons up their noses, shields, social distancing and knocking elbows are our brave and fearless Pentagon Chiefs.

    I sleep soundly knowing that these warriors are watching out for us ! In the meantime what with Covid One on the scrap heap the powers that be are beating TAH DAH the DELTA VARIANT, a veritable hybrid plague more deadly than anything in history !

    But, I digress. Those who have taken the vaccine are the ones railroaded to do so by the constant hammering from MSM. Those who did not are smarter. They know:
    = that Big Pharma lies to them
    =the CDC, WHO, ABC, XYZ change their grift every day, meaning they dont know shit or lie
    =all drugs are deadly. They kill people, cause other damage and do not cure anything
    =that injecting these chemicals into their system will ultimately destroy them
    =that mathematically the death rate is what ,01% .

    The really clever understand that there is such a thing as natural immunity. Germs have been around for millions of years and without the body’s ability to self immunise we would have long ago become extinct.

    They say truth is the last to arrive, limping along with time. The public knows they have been fucked over and hence no amount of free ice cream, lottery tickets and cajoling is going to budge the nay sayers. The whole thing was a hoax and destroyed millions of businesses and livelihoods. A lot of people committed suicide.

    The general population are mostly dimwits, easily stampeded by the Media and their handlers. Unfortunately even idiots get to the point where they realise they are being played which is usually too late, until that is, the next con comes along tuning them all into suckers once again.

    Opponents to the vaccine are not crackpots and neither are they cunts. That;s the bottom line.

  245. salience says:
    @Schuetze

    What makes you think the rich and famous didn’t get “placebo” shots?

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  246. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Realist

    Let’s change “vaccinated” to “Zionists,” ergo

    “Pretty much all the world’s political leaders are pro-Zionism. If you look at the public surveys, pro-Zionist rates in America are highest for the wealthiest and best-educated portion of the population, which includes all our political, economic, media, and intellectual elites, while anti-Semitism is highest among the least educated.”

    We know the establishment is corrupt. We know the ((Jewish)) establishment (the establishment of the establishment) is corrupt.

    ((Ron Unz)), I fear, has been brainwashed to defer to the corrupt ((Jewish)) establishment on this question. And yet, he doesn’t do so on many other questions. In fact, Unz.com is one of the only anti-Zionist webzines that has penetrated the edges of the establishment.

    I would argue that modern ((Jews)) are almost entirely about money. Anti-Zionism is in danger of breaking out big. ((Jews)) want to get ahead of the game for maximum wealth preservation.

    On the question of vaccines, the corrupt ((establishment)) is in bed with Big Pharma, hence their total compliance with the pro-vaccine narrative for Big Pharma profits, and their deliberate ignorance of evidence that (cheap) Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and Zinc can work to fight off attacks on the body’s immune system or the virus itself. Had those four remedies been pushed by government and MSM, Big Pharma’s greedy quest for profits would not have been sated.

    There is literally no need to make ourselves guinea pigs for Big Pharma — except in the twisted mind of the corrupt ((establishment)) and its lackeys.

    Public health used to come before profits. But that was before the “Jewish” Century (really, the Satanic Talmudist Century) came into full sway.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/08/01/jewish-anti-semitism/#comment-338974

    Death and soullessness follows the ((Jews)) like night follows day. This is tragic for intellectuals of goodwill like Ron Unz. At least, I thought he was an intellectual of goodwill. But it’s possible he’s just another tribe/greed brainwashed ((Jew)).

  247. HCQ says:
    @Tom Verso

    I recently spoke with a funeral director in Cincinnati who expressed the same. Near the beginning of the pandemic, they were required to change death certificates for several elderly individuals who were in the process of going into hospice care, simply because they tested positive for Covid. Covid had nothing to due with their deaths. He agreed that they died with Covid, not from Covid.

    • Replies: @salience
  248. A123 says: • Website
    @MLK

    . . . but relatively few people were strong supporters of either candidate.

    Those mere ten words confirm what I’ve argued for years now about Trump, he makes some people feel so bad about themselves they’d rather die than admit that he’s built a working and middle class MAGA movement 75-100M strong

    This is what has the SJW Globalists reeling in terror. WUHAN-19 hysteria and WUHAN-∆ histrionics were supposed to be the magic sword to slay the MAGA dragon. It did not work and over playing Chinese Coronavirus has now dug them in a deep hole. Having stolen the White House, Not-The-President Biden and his DNC co-conspirators now 100% own the impending inflation and economic problems that will surface during the next 16 months.

    Worse yet from the Radical Leftoid point of view… the resilient MAGA operation is getting stronger (1)

    The Trump 2024 Democrat Destruction Machine Readies for Battle

    The political money machine that is Donald Trump continued to raise money in unprecedented amounts in the first half of 2021.

    Trump-aligned PACs raised an astonishing $82 million — a record for ex-presidents. Taken with the cash on hand for these groups, Trump’s war chest tops $100 million.

    All of this is more than likely causing quite a bit of flop sweat at the Democratic National Committee though. On his quietest days, Trump gives them headaches. More than six months after they set up Biden in the Oval Office, they still act like Trump’s there goading them. They can’t quit him and their continued torture is a never-ending delight to watch.

    The Stupid Left cannot grasp that the STEM degree right wants jobs in America. So, the SJW Globalists are doubling down on H1B visas and outsourcing. Being against American jobs is the stance of morons headed towards failure. No matter how much they try to cover with the distraction of the week, ultimately it will blow up in their face.
    ___

    Everything can be boiled down to these two simple questions:

        -1- Are WUHAN-19 and WUHAN-∆ real? Yes.
        -2- Given the actual threat posed by WUHAN Coronaviruses, is the Stupid Left response rational? No.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2021/08/02/the-morning-briefing-the-trump-2024-democrat-destruction-machine-readies-for-battle-n1466348

  249. Mevashir says:
    @gnbRC

    Will the American public demand reparations from the US government and the pharmaceutical industry for promoting this unbelievably expensive and ineffectual bogus therapy? It seems to me that the damages vastly dwarf those perpetrated by Dr Mengele at Auschwitz. Surely we deserve reparations at least as great as those claimed by Holocaust victims!

    In my mind, culling the population would be more successful if our elite masters were to offer a euthanasia option rather than going through with the COVID plan. Failing this and the current workings/events around the globe it’s either massive suffering and death, or just death (by euthanasia or suicide). As Bill Gates has related in in one of his interviews ‘There is no other (good) choice.’

    I once proposed that a good way to solve the Social Security and Medicare funding crisis is the following. Make an actuarial computation of a person’s expected future welfare payouts from the government. Then offer them a one-time cash payout of 50% of that calculated amount if they will consent to be euthanized. That cash payout can be directed to relatives favorite charities etc. It cannot be put into their hands. Upon receipt of the payout the person is euthanized. A neutral third party can serve as an intermediary to guarantee compliance with the program.

    So for example, just choosing numbers randomly, a person of 70 would be offered a $20,000 one-time payout to get euthanized. At 80 the amount drops to $10,000. At 90 $5000.

    I once visited a nursing home for extremely elderly people in North Carolinaarolina. I was horrified. People walked around like zombies or just sat in chairs staring vacantly into the distance. I vowed to myself never to end up in such a situation of physical and mental decrepitude. Apparently Switzerland has very liberal euthanizing laws and I think that is truly the humane option. There is absolutely nothing noble about prolonging the lives of people in vegetative states.

    I once read a book about Medicare funding. The author claims that one-third of all Medicare payments go to futile end of life interventions when the person lives for only 6 months more. This is an unbelievable squandering of resources.

    It turns out the Catholic church is a major factor in promoting this corrupt and inhumane system. Catholic hospitals reap enormous financial rewards from Medicare by sustaining people in vegetative states. They justify it with all sorts of bogus theological arguments about not permitting euthanasia. But I don’t see any biblical justification for sustaining people as near vegetables on complex machinery.

    Thank you RCC for further undermining and devaluating the quality of life and for destroying the financial viability of our society.

  250. Iris says:
    @salience

    the persons most likely to benefit from mRNA COVID vaccines are those who are in very good to excellent health to start with, those with immunological normality, and these are the very persons who are at little risk from the disease!

    I have a step-family relative, a 64-year old man, excellent health, played football all his life, never smoked, and for these reasons did not feel the need to take a Covid19 vaccine, although he was living in a country where a range of viral vaccines are available.

    He caught Covid19 two weeks ago, was stabilised and well looked after at hospital. His condition was good and continuously monitored for blood oxygen saturation. Without obvious reason, it degraded extremely suddenly and a lung CT scan revealed that he had lost 90% of his respiratory capacity within just a few hours. He was immediately put under non-invasive respiratory aid, but survived only a few hours and passed away yesterday.

    It is certain that vaccines work better for those younger and healthier who don’t need them the most, but even those may be better protected by taking a vaccine.

    • Replies: @salience
    , @salience
    , @Schuetze
  251. @Daniel Fremen

    “When is a vaccine not a vaccine?”

    Unz has done good work on the origins of the pandemic. Boomer dissociation has blinded him to the link between the conspiracy he ably laid out regarding origin and the vaccine. Like Steve Sailer he also fails to see the political corruption endemic in our institutions, particularly public health.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  252. @Ktulu

    Even more suspicious is the refusal of the U.S. to authorize less experimental vaccines from Europe. Why is AZ not approved?

    Oxford’s vaccine platform was just as experimental as the authorized mRNA ones, was in fact I judge a grift because for eight years through 2019 all they did with it was Phase I trials with no more than 46 participants. But for AZ to get a FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) they’d first have to make the application, and I can see one reason they can’t today, no manufacturing capacity they can devote to the US after the entirely predictable Emergent BioSolutions debacles that resulted in their getting kicked out of the Baltimore factory to avoid further cross contamination accidents between Oxford and Janssen batches.

    Why does it appear the government is now going to twist arms before novavax is authorized?

    I’d like to hear more on that. It ties in with the general AZ/Oxford manufacturing issues, shortages of everything for cell culture manufacturing from supplies to skilled workers. Oxford’s uses delicate human cell cultures, Novavax and Sanofi use the Protein Solutions system of bug cell cultures, which might be more robust but still use as far as I know all the supplies and methods of the human cell culture vaccines, which also include Janssen and Sputnik-V. If I was the US tzar of vaccines, I’d shut down the Baltimore Emergenct BioSolutions plant alltogether and redirect its resources to Fujifilm which is making Novavax’s vaccine in the US and U.K. The Serium Institute of India (a private firm) is also competing for the same supplies to make Oxford’s and Novavax’s vaccine.

    Why isn’t Sputnik V authorized in Europe, outside Hungary at least?

    The EU along with others like Brazil initially says with some credibility that the Russians are just not willing to submit all the information that’s needed for their equivalent of an EUA. And last time I checked it’s not exactly pressing because they too can’t manufacture doses like they’d like to for internal use and “vaccine diplomacy.”

    Is there something special about American big phama’s highly experimental vaccines that is so far ahead of Europe and the rest of the world….

    Pfizer’s is only the testing and a manufacturing partner of German BioNTech which is run by a “Prussian Turk” and her Turk husband, and has also set up their own manufacturing facility. What’s different is that mRNA vaccines are simple (and no longer “experimental,” let alone “highly” experimental, the experiments have been run and the results are excellent). This has translated into a host of advantages, from requiring almost no time at all to design vaccine candidates thanks to previous work on stabilizing spike proteins, to requiring only the old workhorse of E. Coli as an organism in their manufacturing, it’s infinitely more robust than animal cells outside of animals.

    Note these manufacturing constraints will probably also hit Canada’s Medicago, that it grows its stuff in a relative of the well studied tobacco plant doesn’t help after you lyse the plant cells and then have to purify the results and otherwise generally use the same supply chains down to glass vials.

    • Thanks: Iris
  253. Schuetze says:
    @gay troll

    lol

    “Provincetown is to gay men what Mecca is to Muslims… everyone is missing the horny bear in the room…”

    One bar in particular — the home for a dance party with the inspired name of “Fag Bash” — resembles a kind of dank dungeon where sweat drips from the ceiling and mold reaches up the walls. It might have been designed for viral transmission. A big swathe of the crowd had also just come from a week of Pride partying in New York City and were likely not, shall we say, at their immunological best. It was a muggy, viral heaven in a classic post-plague burst of bacchanalia.”

    It was the gays and the San Francisco bath houses that brought us AIDS, could it be the gays and their “Fag Bash” that have brought the “Delta Variant”?

    https://reason.com/2021/07/30/the-provincetown-outbreak-shows-vaccinated-people-can-be-infected-by-the-coronavirus-but-the-cdcs-director-grossly-exaggerates-that-risk/

    The Provincetown Outbreak Shows Vaccinated People Can Be Infected by the Coronavirus, but the CDC’s Director Grossly Exaggerates That Risk

    Researchers are still trying to determine what role vaccinated carriers may have played in the Massachusetts cases identified by the CDC.

    Three-quarters of 469 Massachusetts residents infected during a COVID-19 outbreak in Provincetown earlier this month were fully vaccinated, according to a report published today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Nine out of 10 cases involved the especially contagious delta variant of the coronavirus, and the CDC reports that it found “similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people,” which it says “raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus.”

  254. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    1. RNA viruses are notorious for constant mutations, and are extremely difficult to create vaccines for.

    2. Of RNA viruses, coronaviruses are especially infamous for this. For example the common cold viruses, rhinoviruses, are coronaviruses.

    3. Therefore no vaccine can protect against mutations

    Right here we can ignore everything else you say because you’re just plain wrong. You might be right about the “create vaccines for,” but we’ve had a great deal of success doing that for RNA viruses over the decades like measles and polio. Rhinoviruses are not coronaviruses, they don’t even have envelopes. There are four endemic coronaviruses that cause perhaps 15% of the cases of the common cold, but with 200+ species and strains behind that syndrome it should be obvious why we haven’t yet tried to make a vaccine against it. Our current vaccines top out at delivering less than 30 antigens. And you need to learn about conserved parts of viruses, which allow us to make “eternal” vaccines against many RNA viruses that don’t share the unique coronavirus proofreading mechanism. As far as I know every variant of concern of SARS-CoV-1 that includes partial immune escapes only decreases the efficacy of existing vaccines by about 7-10 percentage points in all endpoints, they’re still very useful as can be seen on the ground today. Otherwise we’d be talking about new strains of the virus, not variants.

  255. anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron Unz: “Anyway, the whole vaccination debate seems pretty meaningless to me. The evidence quoted in the newspapers seems to show that although vaccination doesn’t completely prevent the disease, it reduces the risk of a serious or fatal case by something like 90%, and therefore is obviously beneficial.”

    Obviously beneficial. No mention of side effects. It’s simple math, isn’t it, the calculation of risk vs benefit? Is the risk of a drug side effect greater than potential benefit. While this calculation has to be stratified by age, for the vast majority, especially given the great unknown of not having any long-term data as to possible toxicity, the answer is clear. The vaccine presents a risk, which, weighed against the risk of dying or long-term harm from Covid, is clearly greater.

    Yet Ron just says it is “obviously beneficial.” An incredible statement to make, given the burgeoning reports of vaccine complications, everything from encephalopathy to autoimmune hepatitis and thyroiditis to all the attendant concerns regarding coagulopathy. You can’t ignore this reality without doing serious harm to your own credibility. Perhaps you have a different agenda, fair enough, but don’t pretend that the vaccine is harmless, and hasn’t already killed far more people than other recent vaccines.

    This is on the order of Noam Chomsky saying “it doesn’t matter” who did 9-11. The scales fell from a lot of people’s eyes when they read that.

    Sorry, Mr. Unz, for you it’s uncharacteristically non-rigorous. I feel like I’m reading your comments regarding the safety of Vioxx 6 months into the experience with that drug. You simply lack the data (we all do) to make any kind of sound judgement as to the possible risk of these experimental mRNA vaccines. To blithely wave your hand and dismiss concerns is not dispositive.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  256. Charlie says:
    @RoatanBill

    The outpatient protocol is called i-MASK+. I think the MATH+ protocol is for hospitalized patients with severe COVID and includes corticosteroids and anticoagulants, not the sort of stuff you would generally self-administer.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  257. Anonymous[101] • Disclaimer says:
    @Herr Oberst Senf

    Excellent point about pulling forward the deaths. Anyone that knows the data knows Covid kills mainly the elderly and those with other health issues.

    What will throw this off though is if we start seeing deaths caused by the vaccines. And it might not be easy to tell the difference. They could be classified as breakthrough infections or variants inaccurately.

  258. @Schuetze

    “these vaccines are good for only 6-8 months”. 6 months if you are lucky! This is why Israel is already starting forcing boosters on its already hyper-vaccinated population.

    Nope, only for those over age 60. You might want to take a look at childhood vaccine schedules where you’ll find a bunch that include two boost doses, like Israel is doing for this subpopulation which statistically has worse immune systems than those younger.

    According to a study by the University College London:

    Total antibody levels appear to start declining from as early as six weeks after complete vaccination and can reduce by more than 50% over 10 weeks….

    Well of course. If your immune system maintained a full antibody fleet for every bug it previously zapped, you’d run out of room for red blood cells in your plasma before you exited childhood. Learn about cellular immunity and memory B cells; for extra credit, how the latter refine their response for months so if they’re called upon to make another antibody fleet it’ll be better, very possibly getting around inevitable mutations.

  259. George 1 says:

    The virus can be quite deadly for the old and/or relatively unhealthy portion of the population. No one has said otherwise. The, perhaps heartless, question is how many of that population would have died in under one year without covid? That taken into account was it worth the trillions of cost to the economy and loss of freedom, not to mention the cost of the “vaccine” development?

    Mr. Unz says that 99 plus percent of doctors around the world are in favor of the vaccinations. Well I will take the word of the inventor of the MRNA treatments, Dr. Malone. He has said that “Non-sterilizing “vaccines” should never be used while the infection is out in the environment. Bad things can happen, according to Dr. Malone.

    Now we see that the vaccinated are spreading virus and are incubators for mutations of the virus. Just the danger that Dr. Malone stated months ago. So I will not partake. The best to those who do.

    • Thanks: acementhead
  260. @Skip Scott

    Sorry, but all this sounds like a quack medicine- which actually is; a part of the orthomolecular medicine pioneered by Linus Pauling in his later years. It is good for some specific mild ailments, but nothing more.

    Why 5000 IU? Nobody has proven or shown that. I used also 1 g (1000 mg) of Magnesium, plus rather strong doses of Omega 3 (for triglycerides) & some vitamin E in capsules.

    The point is- orthomolecular medicine doesn’t work as a serious treatment of anything. It works only in a few extreme cases of vitamin deficiency (especially A), but is generally good only as a supplement in case one has doubts about his food regimen. Otherwise, it’s just a fad.

    I still use it, as in past 8 or so years, simply because I’m used to it. But it, except in a very, very few cases of specific disorders, is just a supplement, not a medicine.

  261. Mr Unz, when I suggested that you do a series of interviews with your writers, I meant something challenging, not engineer Potemkin discussions in service of your own vanity.

    Yes, China controlled Covid much better than America, but so did North Korea, for similar reasons.

    Yes, China is no North Korea in authoritarianism, but it is also not America in libertarianism either. America’s value judgements precluded a Chinese response. These are all subjective, so, while you may wish America was otherwise, realism is in dealing with how people are, not deluding yourself that only you have a correct appreciation of what to do with the obvious facts.

    As for your discussion on the vaccines, I suppose it is doing a public service. The more of your readers who get vaccinated, the fewer who will die, but it is hardly a debate. The first people were vaccinated, in trials, over a year ago, I believe, so this controversy has just turned into people being unable to admit that they were wrong.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  262. salience says:
    @Iris

    My sympathies, truly.
    A couple of people we know had serious disease, but recovered. There is still much unknown about this virus, but if, as is becoming a possibility if not probability, it is a lab-created bioweapon, (see the testimonies/videos online of David Martin and Reiner Fuellmich) it’s quite understandable it has unusual tricks up its sleeve.

    It seems there is much good information now that the spike protein causes both large AND micro-clots, and this might explain sudden lung misfunction as O2 absorption declines due to the clotting. Could be why ventilation was not as successful as hoped for. Spike protein side-effects may well include slowly developing “micro-strokes” causing cognitive decline. Unfortunately we will be finding this out in our collective medical experiment rather than having insisted BigPharma find out through thorough phase 3 testing.

  263. Jiminy says:

    I just saw on the news where Israel is now starting to give citizens their third needle, this time a booster. Really, what good is a vaccine that has to be given every two or so months. Here they rarely call it a vaccine but a jab. It’s certainly good for the bottom dollar of the company selling them. I’ve said several times to my son already to buy shares in Pfizer.
    Now in one of the southern states here they’ve actually sent in the military to intimidate and enforce new lockdown rules. This place is becoming more like a banana republic every day. We are now in such a dire situation here, in unchartered waters if you listen to the politicians, that the QLD premier saw fit to leave the country to go and visit the Tokyo games. I’m starting to believe that all is not as it appears.

  264. salience says:
    @Iris

    One more thought: at 64 years old, even “very good health” might be deceiving. If you read my paper and the study it is based on, you will see that accurately timed B-Cell and T-Cell response is the key and most older people show some deficits here, probably why the older you get, the more risk.

  265. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    If you really believe your poopaganda lies, then I pity you.

    Deranged, anti-factual, #NeverTrump hate raging is both provocative and insulting. If you want to start a fight, mental dribbling about Trump is the way to do it.

    I don’t start fights with losers. But I certainly end them.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  266. @Roger

    Thank you. I couldn’t have said it better myself
    The idea that the Bill of Rights can be tossed out the window on the testamentary of obviously corrupt official experts is garbage.
    I remind folks about all those American men who were slaughtered and maimed in countless unnecessary wars that were told they were fighting for freedom and the Bill of Rights. Their graves are being pissed on by the Americans that have mindlessly allowed this regime to destroy the Bill of Rights.

    But then again, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that this is happening in light of what Americans allowed their government to do to the Japanese American citizens during WW2.

    • Replies: @Roger
  267. Mevashir says:
    @anonymous

    This is on the order of Noam Chomsky saying “it doesn’t matter” who did 9-11. The scales fell from a lot of people’s eyes when they read that.

    BINGO.

    I suspect that while RU’s ((sponsors)) may have forced him to acquiesce to their party line, he deliberately worded his comments so outrageously in order to provoke reader counter-input. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt so long as he continues to allow comments to be posted without censorship.

    (Except i wish he would censor A(sshle)123.

  268. salience says:
    @HCQ

    …And now we see that many – perhaps a great many – PCR tests were detecting the common cold or the usual winter flu infections and not COVID.

  269. @meamjojo

    Those numbers count too many people who didn’t die OF Covid but WITH Covid.

    Pay attention to the news. They always say X # of people died WITH Covid, not OF Covid. Hence, people dying of head trauma from a motorcycle accident but counted as a “Covid death” because the person had the Covid virus in them when they died.

    It’s a really neat trick that most people don’t notice.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  270. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    The Chinese were pretty busy trying to prevent the Covid outbreak from destroying their country.

    Oh, they were too busy? Like chefs in the back kitchen cooking up dishes of chicken chow mein too busy to accommodate special orders, like “hold the shrim, prease”?

    The sort of people who take these types of articles seriously are just a bunch of morons.

    Great counter-argument, Ron. Your display of Aristotelian logic is just breathtaking.

    In his most recent article about a related matter, Andrew Anglin says “Conservatives have bought into all of this because they’re stupid.” Columns like this certainly prove that point.

    Conservatives? Didn’t you run as a candidate for governor of CA for the Republican Party?

    So, “conservatives” are morons for pointing out that those videos were all fake and for wondering why the CCP did absolutely nothing to expose that fact, but “liberals” are the highly intelligent ones for taking both of the clot shots and will probably be taking the booster shots for the rest of their lives? Do I have that right, Ron?

  271. Mevashir says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Mr Unz, when I suggested that you do a series of interviews with your writers, I meant something challenging, not engineer Potemkin discussions in service of your own vanity.

    OUCH!!!

    As for your discussion on the vaccines, I suppose it is doing a public service. The more of your readers who get vaccinated, the fewer who will die, but it is hardly a debate. The first people were vaccinated, in trials, over a year ago, I believe, so this controversy has just turned into people being unable to admit that they were wrong.

    What do you mean exactly?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  272. Anon[709] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Wonderful stimulating article. Congratulations to both authors for a jab well done.”
    The word from an insurance insider is the recent influenza infection did not change
    rates or policy because when all was said and done there was no annual change in anything.
    Allow me to summarize the skeptics view point:
    This ‘pandemic’ was always about social control and, specifically, to block Trump’s
    re-election and populist moments worldwide. It was likely created in NATO bioweapon
    labs, the most advance on Earth, with some outsourcing to China and released, not
    accidentally, with spectacular success. The oh so hoped for ‘return to normalcy’ is not
    in the cards for us, however. The Delta & other ‘variants’ will see to that, having
    appeared at just the right moment to keep hysteria alive possibly until November 2022.
    What a shame that the vaccines are not living up to the hype; though they are
    a great wedge issue now being ramped up to divide the populace.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  273. Charles says:

    Think about the fact that Ron Unz gives a place and platform to people who believe – at least in the case of Covid – something with which he himself disagrees. I have no way of knowing who is right, or more right, about Covid, but TUR is a great place whether I agree with the writers or not.

  274. @gottlieb

    and on the other hand thank goodness Pfizer was there with a new miracle therapy they’d been working on for decades with no success

    With the exception of J&J’s Janssen unit, “Big Pharma” was either AWOL, unsuccessful, or in the case of Sanofi screwed up their Phase I and II trials so they had to restart from scratch.

    Pfizer in a typical decades old biotech model teamed with Germany’s run by Turk’s BioNTech to test, manufacture, and distribute the latter’s mRNA vaccine. AZ let themselves get strong armed into manufacturing and distributing the Oxford strong women graft (no success for eight years with their platform) and for no profit as Oxford required, something we can be very sure they now regret. Moderna and Novavax, and that inactivated whole virus company in France which had to get funded by the U.K. are going it alone, albeit with lots of government money.

  275. @SunBakedSuburb

    So I suppose we should all be grateful for you and your ability to see all that. Thank you.

    Do you also have a working crystal ball? Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  276. @Mevashir

    Yawn. Don’t you have anything better to do?

    Ron and Mike have obviously figured out everything about Covid.

    How much brain damage does this comment thread hold? Try working on that equation.

  277. Ron Unz, you believe in magic. I defy you to plot the impact of masks and social distancing on the epidemiological death curve.

  278. Mihilus says:

    The problem with the vaccine is THAT IT DOESNT KILL THE VIRUS it merely makes symptoms much milder. And law of nature dictates that such virus will become much more potent in particular to unvaxxed. We have seen this with Marek disease in poultry. Check its wikipedia page, pay special attention to “Prevention” section. In normal conditions highly virulent strains that kill the host are not selected. However with such vaccines as current covid vaccine the more virulent strains are selected. Marek disease caused a lot of problems but fatality was very low. Now its 100% fatal for unvaxxed poultry and all big producers vaccinate unhatched eggs.

    AND THIS IS WHAT BIG PHARMA PLANS FOR US. OUR TOTAL DEPENDENCE ON THEIR JABS.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  279. @Ron Unz

    I haven’t caught up yet with your whole stoush with Mike Witney but I am keen to strengthen your arm against the nutters. You modestly and sensibly profess ignorance of some matters but I think you could use the reliable information in the ABC Radio National Health Report o add confidence to your arguments. For example

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/the-health-report-2-august/13480374

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/norman-swan-and-tegan-taylor-answer-your-questions/13480498

    After about the first 5 minutes of the first podcast there is about 8 minutes of very authoritative discussion of treatments for Covid 19 including monoclonal antibodies, as well as the observation that remdesavir is being tried too late.

    In the last 90 seconds of the second podcast the merits and problems of the PCR test are dealt with in a way which helps understand the false positive problem, even if it leaves worrying nuances unresolved. (and Google might give you more).

    • Replies: @dimples
  280. @Charlie

    I knew the MATH+ protocol was for hospitalization and also discovered that the doctor that invented it has been to Central America and elsewhere spreading the news of his treatment.

    I never heard of the i-Mask+ protocol but will research it. Thank you for the reference.

  281. @Anon

    What a shame to hide such genius and insight behind “Anon”.

  282. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    I don’t start fights with losers. But I certainly end them.

    Which explains why you started a fight with a winner like myself. And, lost badly.

    Perhaps you should seek out losers that you might beat.
    ___

    As long as you continue to believe the thoroughly debunked site VT, no one will take you seriously.

    We are not Laughing with you. We are all Laughing at you.

    PEACE 😇

  283. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    In 15 years they haven’t been able to come up with a safe vaccine for SARS

    Should have read more, I can’t let this pass. First you’re barking up the wrong tree, SARS died out, MERS was where it was at for SARS type coronavirus vaccines because it’s got a camel reservoir, people keep getting infected, and sometimes there are disastrous nation wide outbreaks like in South Korea.

    Spend some quality time with ClinicalTrials.gov and you’ll see indications of “safe” vaccines for MERS, they at least were willing to try Phase I trials on humans. Oxford did so in Saudi Arabia, the actual start of the testing was in mid-December 2020. And there’s no Phase I trial for their same platform, different spike protein vaccine for COVID-19, they didn’t even try more than one dosing for their Phase II trial (Phase I is all about dosing). Now, I wouldn’t say they designed a great vaccine (it’s more like their platform was an eight year grift), but it’s not completely awful or so unsafe no one should take it.

    You’re also completely ignorant of the many years of research that went into making safe SARS type coronavirus vaccines, for example this finishing in 2017, which the strong women of Oxford ignored.

  284. @Mevashir

    What do you mean exactly?

    It is one thing to say a vaccine is dangerous when it has been tested on just one person just one day ago, but it is another thing when we have over a year of data and over a billion test subjects.

    5G was the same. You could be extremely suspicious at the first rollout, but as more rollouts occur and more time passes, 5G panic looks more and more ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  285. Agent76 says:

    July 26, 2021 The “Killer Vaccine” Worldwide. 7.9 Billion People The Covid-19 Vaccine should be Halted and Discontinued Immediately Worldwide.

    Let us be under no illusions, it’s not only “experimental”, it’s a Big Pharma “killer vaccine” which modifies the human genome. The evidence of mortality and morbidity resulting from vaccine inoculation both present (official data) and future (e.g. undetected microscopic blood clots) is overwhelming.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-killer-vaccine-worldwide-7-9-billion-people/5749363

    June 23, 2021 World Health Organization recommends children should not be vaccinated, changes directive 48 hours later

    GENEVA, SWITZERLAND — The World Health Organization (WHO) is a division of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Only the U.S. government gave the WHO more money than Bill Gates in 2016-17; and it was by a fraction of a percent.

    https://thecovidblog.com/2021/06/23/world-health-organization-recommends-children-should-not-be-vaccinated-changes-directive-48-hours-later/

  286. SafeNow says:

    Covid may be associated with cognitive decline, according to very new research.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/health/covid-cognitive-decline-alzheimers/index.html

    This makes me wonder whether the mRNA “vaccines” are likewise producing Alzheimers-like tau protein. And, if so, to what extent, compared to the actual disease. As luck would have it, there exists a cohort within the population consisting of people who have psychometric testing every single day! These are the hundreds of thousands of chess players who play online chess on a website such as Lichess. The algorithm maintains a quantitative rating for each player in real time. My own rating has declined since being vaccinated, and the decline has been persistent. Disclosure of a study limitation: A sample size of one. Wouldn’t it be interesting, and quite easy, to conduct a large study.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @EoinW
  287. Dumbo says:
    @John Johnson

    Just what we need, more “panic porn” from the media. Chill out.

    They live on selling panic and hysteria.

    Vaccine or not vaccine, most people survive Covid.

    I know 10 or 12 people who had it so far.

    Yes, it’s a real disease, but it’s not the end of the world (well, for most people; some are unlucky; but then again, some are unlucky even with the vaccine).

    If you had your vaxx and trust it, then why worry?

    P. S. A lot of early patients (old people) in Italy in the beginning of the pandemic died because of negligence or bad treatment (ventilators), not because of Covid. The same happened in Canada in a few nursing homes: the staff panicked and left the old people to their deaths. While Covid might be a disease of concern, this type of hysteria rarely helps.

  288. @That Would Be Telling

    the serious adverse effects of the latter [vaccines] almost entirely show up in the first month and a half after the last dose, it’s inherent in what they do, how they work.

    Typical big-pharma rationalization. It’s actually because they define it that way. Any symptom that doesn’t show up within the first few days of the inoculation is defined to be coincidental. Nothing is permitted to be connected to the vaccine unless it can be proved beyond doubt and the further along it occurs the less likely it can be proved to the standard set by the manufacturer.

    Of course you are also equivocating on the word vaccine. These are not vaccines in any sense except the results you might claim for them. They are gene therapies, even according to your criteria of what they do and how they work.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  289. @Chris Moore

    Generally you make excellent comments.

    However….consider that we are having an open discussion here and both sides are expressing themselves freely without censorship.

    This is a miracle in itself.

  290. @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz speaks about the vaccination rate amongst the elite ruling class:

    ‘Pretty much all the world’s political leaders have been vaccinated.
    I’ll bet virtually every member of the World Economic Forum has been vaccinated.’

    Ron relies on CLAIMS made by some of the least trustworthy scum that ever drew breath.

    FACT: Even for those among them that were filmed getting the jab, Ron has NO IDEA whether or not a harmless placebo (like a saline solution) was administered.

  291. Liza says:
    @George 1

    The, perhaps heartless, question is how many of that population would have died in under one year without covid?

    Why would it be heartless to admit that many, if not most, chronically seriously sick people do die of one type of infection or another? Blaming a virus or other “germ” is ridiculous. The degenerating body makes a fine home for germs of all kinds; they don’t go in there to “kill” anybody. It’s the rotting body that has to bear the responsibility. If I never cleaned my kitchen, it nauseates me to think what would be crawling around in there, making a home. Mice, rats, cockroaches and what not.

    • Replies: @George 1
  292. @Daniel Fremen

    Saying vaccines “work” is like saying drugs “work”.

    Well, some of them do. Some of them don’t. Many are touted as miracle drugs, only later to be revealed as complete frauds and horror shows of inhuman dishonesty. Some drugs are extremely effective, have little to no side effects, but are too cheap to make a profit and disappear.

    Some vaccines don’t work as advertised. e.g. The Pertussis vaccine. Highly vaccinated area still end up with very high infection rated yet movie stars are enlisted to tell the public to get a pertussis vaccine or you’re “a danger to the children”. Hello Buffy! I’m not anti-vcxx, far from it, but we have a huge problem here. Aggressive public relations campaigns using high pressure tactics to force vaccines onto the public (e.g. Buffy and pertussis) are wrong.

    The biggest problem is that vaccine companies cannot be sued for injury. Car companies can be sued, your local pizza shop can be sued, why not vaccine producers? They have ZERO incentive to make a safe product and every incentive to rush to market and engage in aggressive campaigns with the MSM to maximize profits.

    The results around the COVID “vaccine” (is it really a vaccine?) are worse than fentanyl. The media blitz and gov’t blitz attempting to pressure as many people as possible to be injected is unreal. Especially since, whatever you may think of COVID-19 there have been no excess deaths, the flu disappeared and the CDC is walking back claims and the FDA just told the world the PCR test is rubbish. Pandemics are supposed to kill lots of people. This hasn’t happened. But we may not have to wait for long before millions possibly billions of vaccine injured get sick for a jab that was never approved for anything other than emergency use.

    If you can’t see the fraud easily, you’ve been brainwashed.

  293. DOUBTFUL says:
    @InnerCynic

    Same story here in Taiwan. First there were hardly any deaths here. Then they started injections and soon afterwards the death rate went up dramatically. There are no protests here. Even Japan had protests. Most people proudly believe the TW government had the BEST policy in the world.

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  294. Ron Unz says:

    Perhaps I’m being a little nasty for saying this, but I’ll do so anyway…

    My impression is that a large majority of the most energetic anti-vaxxers on this website tend to be anti-establishment rightwingers, supporters of what had once been called the Alt-Right. Not all of them by any means, but a large majority.

    The intellectual leaders of such individuals tend to be figures like Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, and Peter Brimelow, as well as the numerous writers regularly featured on their publications The Occidental Observer, American Renaissance, and VDare. Another prominent intellectual in this movement might be E. Michael Jones of Culture Wars.

    Obviously, one of the leading issues in America over the last year or so has been America’s Covid epidemic, including the controversies over whether the virus is actually as dangerous as the MSM makes it out to be, as well as whether lockdowns, masking, and social distancing are reasonable public health measures, or instead evil plots by nefarious forces. Most recently, the burning issue has become mass vaccinations, and whether the vaccines are useless and a deadly danger or instead a very necessary public health measure. On all these issues, many people have taken have been extremely strong and highly emotional positions, which have become a fierce topic of debate on this website and many others.

    But here’s something interesting I’ve noticed. All of those publications and intellectual leaders mentioned above seem to have totally avoided this controversy, almost never running a single article about it or even mentioning it. My very strong suspicion is that’s because all of them pretty much agree with me 100%, but are very fearful of provoking a huge wave of vilification from their outraged devotees, many of whom would denounce them in the strongest possible terms and never trust them again on anything else.

    Obviously, their primary focus remains in other areas—such as immigration, black crime, or Jewish activism, but it’s rather curious that they haven’t said a single word about Covid or vaxxing in the last year or more.

    Perhaps they looked at the case of Gregory Cochran, who made Covid a central topic last year, but was blasted by so much villification that he seems to have almost entirely abandoned blogging.

    Or take our own bloggers. Steve Sailer made Covid and vaxxing a major topic very early on, but was attacked so ferociously by his own commenters that over the last year, I doubt even 1% of his posts have dealt with that subject, and those still produce additional waves of insults. Similarly, one of our earliest posts on Covid was by Anatoly Karlin, who (correctly) predicted that “millions would die” and his opinions have hardly changed, but he’s scarcely mentioned the issue over the last 14 or 15 months.

    Movement leaders don’t like to risk being burned at the stake by their erstwhile followers, especially if they believe those people have gone crazy about something ridiculous, so if they’re too honest to get on board the anti-vaxx crackpottery, they may just decide to remain silent and avoid the issue. Perhaps every now and then they may make a few vague comments that can be easily misinterpreted as support for such lunacy, e.g. saying something about illegal immigrants and Covid or vaccinations. They realize that if they were completely candid, they’d probably lose huge numbers of their supporters to RFK, Jr. and LifesiteNews.

    Many individuals on this thread have been tremendously shocked and horrified by my “mainstream” views on Covid and vaxxing, but I’ll bet these are identical to nearly all the writers on those other “dissident right” websites I mentioned. So maybe you should put the question to them and find whether or not I’m correct.

    For example, my guess would be that 98% of the journalists at the NYT and WSJ have been vaxxed. But I’d suspect that the figure is 90% among the (over 40) main writers at “dissident right” websites. Just go ahead and ask them whether they’ve been vaxxed and why.

  295. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    OhhhhhhK

    So you criticize the vaccine as dangerous but you applaud the Israeli response of lockdowns and mandatory vaccines.

    You are a riddle wrapped inside a puzzle locked inside an enigma of hasbarist lies.

    Like a little child throwing a temper tantrum because he can’t answer mommy’s clear questions. If you throw enough scheiß against the walls you hope some will stick.

    We actually agree on many things but you are upset that I have discerned the contradiction between your attitude to Public health policy in Israel versus the rest of the world. You are an excellent case study about how Jewish apologists fight and scream to divert attention from their lies.

    I hope you get help (unless you enjoy being a btch in heat for ziokaikoustan)

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @A123
  296. @Ron Unz

    Level-headed, even-handed question here, Ron. What do you make of this video? He seems to be as qualified as any and more than most.

    “Interview with Michael Yeadon, former Vice President and Chief Science Officer of Pfizer, where he worked for 16 years. He outlines his position on the pandemic, the vaccine, the issue of variants, boosters and the loss of our civil liberties. It is truly an appeal to the world.”

    https://banned.video/watch?id=609238dcf609210fc6b0c516

  297. @Chris Moore

    On the question of vaccines, the corrupt ((establishment)) is in bed with Big Pharma, hence their total compliance with the pro-vaccine narrative for Big Pharma profits, and their deliberate ignorance of evidence that (cheap) Ivermectin, HCQ, Vitamin D and Zinc can work to fight off attacks on the body’s immune system or the virus itself. Had those four remedies been pushed by government and MSM, Big Pharma’s greedy quest for profits would not have been sated.

    There is literally no need to make ourselves guinea pigs for Big Pharma — except in the twisted mind of the corrupt ((establishment)) and its lackeys.

    Public health used to come before profits.

    HCQ was a lot more than that as you should recall, as soon as the BAD ORANGE MAN boosted it many states went so far as to make it illegal or effectively so to prescribe for COVID-19, and it became verboten in the entire West (although prior to that there was some extreme weirdness WRT it in Frace). I remain skeptical about ivermectin since it would be the first ever effective drug against acute viral infections, the rest at most promise a very modest reduction in time to recovery. Including remdesivir, which was never going to be a major drug due to the insane months long chemical synthesis it requires. And “Big Pharma” has tried very hard to make such anti-virals and has brought more than a few to market. Vitamin D and zinc should require no boosting here.

    However you’re equating prevention with treatment, a lot of people will fall through the cracks by for example not seeking treatment soon enough for ivermectin or whatever to save them from significant morbidity especially from happy hypoxia (not enough oxygen in the blood, unusually without patients realizing this), blood clots of all sizes, etc. etc., it can be a nasty vascular disease.

    So I say “embrace the healing power of ‘and’,” vaccines for prevention, anything that works for breakthrough infections. Which are baked in the pie, efficacy at avoiding disease seems to top out for almost all vaccines at 95% (not sure about rabies where the stakes are the highest), meaning 5% failure to one degree or another. Delta lowers all endpoints about 7-10% based on what I’ve learned so far, don’t take that as gospel.

    You might be right about Big Pharma’s influence, but strangely enough, vaccines are not a big money maker for them for a whole bunch of reasons. And as I mention elsewhere, they’ve overall played minor roles in COVID-19 vaccines. Pfizer is the big winner with an eminently manufacturable vaccine from the Turks running Germany’s BioNTech. AZ is losing big time because the strong women at Oxford required them to make it “at cost” and they became a deflection for the EU’s insane vaccine procurement policies. Oh, and the Oxford vaccine isn’t great.

    Sanofi which the US made a big Operation Warp Speed bet on, and the EU an even bigger bet in their plans, failed in V1.0, V2.0 maybe by the end of the year. The rest of the Western vaccines were developed by plucky small biotech firms or institutes, perhaps helped by lots of government money and later definitely so for testing and manufacturing, and they’re not teaming with “Big Pharma” as a senior parther to manufacture them, except Medicago is using the same GSK adjuvant Sanofi is, but that’s very much a small amount of money thing. Merck gave up, but along with other Big Pharma companies is helping to make various of these vaccines.

    What is your analysis about Pfizer out Jewing the Jews who run Israel?

    • Replies: @anon
  298. Schuetze says:
    @salience

    I definitely believe that “the rich and famous” are getting placebo shots. I also doubt that Israeli’s are getting the same Pfizer juice as the goyim. In fact England has already ruled that those people who got placebo shots are still eligible for Covid Freedom Passports. Bojo had already been infected and therefore was immunized, as was Trump, who even took Regeneron’s synthetic Adrenochrome. Fauci clearly knows about all the garbage in the clot-shot and never would have accepted it.

    Ron Unz, devoted reader of WSJ and NYT, wasn’t smart enough to figure out what people who on paper are less intelligent than him could clearly see. In short, Ron Unz got punked. And yet he looks down his nose at “stupid conservatives”. lol.

  299. Publius 2 says:
    @John Johnson

    Yes actually. It’s all fake. I can’t tell you how I know.

  300. Publius 2 says:
    @John Johnson

    lol cites (((news))) and thinks he’s being funny

    yes actually Florida hospitals are empty or running at normal capacity, same as always

    mainly empty

  301. For what it’s worth, methinks Ron by a wide margin got the better of the debate. Rationality vs. ideology. As a data point, I have a gringo friend in Chengdu who, after China said the virus was contained, reported via VPN that the city was completely back to normal. No masks, no restrictions, everything open.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  302. @Ron Unz

    Ron, are you saying I didn’t see the ‘falling down in the streets’ videos on state/corporate TV, in January/February 2019? Was I hallucinating? Was I in fact watching ‘fringe’ youtube videos?

    • Thanks: geokat62
  303. Publius 2 says:

    Everyone is getting sick now BECAUSE of the sheep who ran out to get the vaxx. It’s obvious.

    Everyone I know is sick right now. Nobody I know was sick last year.

    Massive sickness since they rolled out the “vaccine”.

    The situation right now is that we are walking around (without masks) with 50% of the population contagious as if they have a cold and a fever of 105.

    “They” did this to us on purpose.

    Thank you, sheep and Bolsheviks. You win again.

  304. @Mevashir

    So for example, just choosing numbers randomly, a person of 70 would be offered a $20,000 one-time payout to get euthanized. At 80 the amount drops to $10,000. At 90 $5000.

    So at 100, the celebrant gets zero dollars for opting to be euthanized, and at 110, he/she has to pay $5000 to get whacked. The system might still need some fine tuning – but it’s so crazy, it just might work!

    [MORE]

    I once visited a nursing home for extremely elderly people in North Carolinaarolina. I was horrified. People walked around like zombies or just sat in chairs staring vacantly into the distance. I vowed to myself never to end up in such a situation of physical and mental decrepitude.

    There are two simple but extremely radical solutions to this dilemma, both closely related:

    1. Maintain good wholesome nutrition and a daily exercise regime, avoid industrial and pharmaceutical toxins like the plague, stay interested and active in life and live to a ripe old age with all your faculties and capacity for independent living intact.

    2. Shift to a family-centric culture where the elderly are treasured and lovingly cared for by their extended families and actively participate in community life, up until the day they finally expire peacefully in their sleep.

    In either case, being off-loaded like a piece of garbage into a profit-driven “aged care facility” is neither desirable nor necessary.

    Sadly, for those engulfed by the insidious spread of the “advanced” Western paradigm, where “greed is good” and mothers kill their babies and children eat their parents, exercising those rosy options might not be so easy.

  305. The bottom line is that the actual evidence proves that the CoVid is a hoax, that the numbers of “deaths” and “cases” have been wildly inflated by a highly politicized and corrupt health care industry, that the survivability of the virus is around 99%, that the virus has yet to be isolated, that the vaccines are evil guesswork.
    None of that matters to the (((Leftist deep state.))) They used the lie of a “deadly pandemic” as part of their plan to steal the presidential election, they ARE using this lie to destroy the White middle class, and they are using this manufactured crisis as a lever to establish “emergency” control of all of us that will prove to be permanent.
    We can throw all the evidence in the world at them, and they will simply ignore it and continue to behave as if all their lies are true.
    None of the (((Left’s))) lies, fantasies and false assumptions will be defeated by the actual evidence. The only solution is to force these (((charlatans))) out of power by any means necessary. These evil people are not interested in truth, beauty, honor or knowledge. ALL they care about is power and the destruction of White civilization. That is to say Civilization.
    The virus itself is no more deadly than the normal flu. There is nothing noble or cool or brave or fun about caving in to the (((government))) narrative on the either the virus or the untested, malignant non-vaccine. We should ALL rebel against it.

  306. @Bardon Kaldian

    Check out Dr Ryan Cole’s video. He doesn’t sound like a quack to me. In it he states that St. Fauci says he takes 8000iu’s of D3 a day in winter. Why is that not part of the MSM public health messaging?

    https://vimeo.com/channels/1704794/videos

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  307. @Mevashir

    The problem with relying on news sources like that one is that the people writing them are often quite stupid.

    For example, your article leads off with this supposedly damming fact:

    Yesterday we reported about an alleged whistleblower with the U.S. CDC who is claiming that there have been at least 45,000 deaths reported within 3 days of receiving the injections, and that this information is being suppressed.

    The average number of deaths per day in the US is about 6,500. Within 3 days means 4 days. This means, that if you asked people to drink a glass of water, “at least” 26,000 people would die “within 3 days.”

    If however you asked, at first, the elderly and infirm to drink a glass of water, you would have “at least” 45,000 deaths reported “within 3 days” after you have have run that experiment over time.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  308. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow

    As luck would have it, there exists a cohort within the population consisting of people who have psychometric testing every single day! These are the hundreds of thousands of chess players who play online chess on a website such as Lichess. The algorithm maintains a quantitative rating for each player in real time. My own rating has declined since being vaccinated, and the decline has been persistent.

    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

    Also, if the reported micro-clotting vaccine issues are correct, non-renewable cells (like brain or lung cells) might end up being starved to death without any chance of recovery. The damage would also be cumulative with each additional shot.

  309. geokat62 says:
    @Frederick V. Reed

    For what it’s worth, methinks Ron by a wide margin got the better of the debate.

    Frederico pipes in just in time to sing in two-part harmony with Ron: “Trusta Big Pharma, goy! What could possibly go wrong?”

    And for the icing on the cake, he reassures us by implication: my gringo fren says “take the jab, you’ll be glad!”

    • LOL: Schuetze
  310. @Publius 2

    The “vaccinated” are CAUSING everyone to catch a cold. It’s obvious.

    While MSM blames the un-vaxxed!!!!

    Now the MSM tell us that Jacksonville hospitals are “filled” with “unvaccinated” people and they are causing ER delays. Sound familiar? They tried pulling this same scam with NY and Italy.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/baptist-health-jacksonville-expect-long-wait-times-in-the-er-e2-80-98due-to-the-surge-in-covid-19-e2-80-b2/ar-AAMIjxk?ocid=BingNewsSearch

    Are we even certain if “Jacksonville” exists?

    If it DOES I say we go down there and expose this fake virus once and for all. I bet we will find an empty ER with a bunch of crisis actors in a break room talking about how they plan on spending their NWO money.

    A leading doctor on (((facebook))) is being suppressed for saying that it’s merely a cold that can be cured with ginger root. In fact the college where he got his doctorate of geology is threatening to remove him. I have been logging in daily to read his posts and show that (((software platform))) that they don’t control me.

    The leftist sheep are wrong about everything, including the virus hoax, and their stupidity threatens us all.

    I had a so-called friend that agrees with 99% of my political opinions but then I find out he got the vaccine. Had no idea he was a leftist this entire time. His wife got it too. He invited me over to dinner and I told him to stop pushing politics on me and I’m not going to eat with him or his left-wing bitch wife.

    • Replies: @cassandra
    , @anon
  311. @Mihilus

    The problem with the vaccine is THAT IT DOESNT KILL THE VIRUS

    It does to the extent it promotes the creation of “neutralizing” antibodies. These latch onto vital parts of the spike protein and prevent the virus from doing anything. Antibodies latched onto a surface protein can also bind to each other and form agglomerations of viruses and antibodies which have little to no ability to harm cells, instead get swept up by the janitors of the immune system. There’s also cellular immune system and antibody mediated systems that kill hijacked cells before they can do much damage.

    And law of nature dictates that such virus will become much more potent in particular to unvaxxed.

    Citation needed for such a “law,” since you’ve got exactly one infamous example of a totally leaky animal vaccine. Did the same thing happen with the Salk type inactivated whole virus vaccine which came out before the Sabin oral attenuated live virus one? Because the former is leaky, does not prevent gut infections from this fecal-oral route disease, just prevents them from escaping the gut and causing paralysis.

    The Sabin type “sterilizes” the gut, and there’s every indication the good vaccines like the mRNA and Sputnik-V is we can believe the Russians are also sterilizing vaccines, except of course for the few for whom it just doesn’t work, or Delta dropping this efficacy endpoint by 7-10%.

    BTW, shouting in all caps false info does not make it less false.

    • Troll: Theophrastus
  312. @Ron Unz

    You’re right, except Sailer and Karlin have been repeatedly and pointedly in favour of people getting vaccinated and also in favour of people recognising Covid as a real phenomenon which really kills.

    It is odd that you affirm your own courage here, when you’re the last of the people in your position to openly and strongly defend a vaccine to your hostile readers.

    It seems that this was much less important to you than trying to sell them a complete fantasy of US malfeasance.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  313. Mevashir says:
    @Mevashir

    Perhaps the thought of greased ziozayin up your ass excites you so much you can’t think straight, but can you just answer this one simple Q:

    Why do you praise Ziokikestan for the same Covid response (lockdowns, quarantines, vaxxs) that you criticize America for?

  314. @Ron Unz

    Ron wrote:

    ‘ … the early and strong lockdowns in my own state of California had resulted in a per capita death rate just a fraction of that in states like Florida and Texas, that didn’t follow such a policy.’

    Well, let’s look at some figures of per capita death rates for various U.S states*.

    (*The following figures are taken from the ‘Wrong About The Lockdown’ pdf produced by Tom Woods Phd. It’s a few months old but seeing as there have been relatively few Covid deaths over the summer months, the figures still hold up):

    • California: Heavy lockdown, 4.6 deaths per 100,000;
    • Iowa: No lockdown, 4.3 deaths per 100,000;
    • Texas: Light lockdown, 2.4 deaths per 100,000;
    • Washington state: Heavy lockdown, 10.0 deaths per 100,000;
    • Colorado: Inconsistent lockdown, 12.2 deaths per 100,000;
    • Georgia: Late Lockdown now lifted, 10.0 deaths per 100,000.
    • Maine: Heavy Lockdown, 3.8 deaths per 100,000;
    • Massachusetts: Heavy Lockdown, 45.7 deaths per 100,000.

    I don’t have the exact figures for Light Lockdown/now lifted Florida but it’s approximately similar to that of California from recollection.

    Oh dear Ron, it seems you were telling FIBS when you said that California had a per capita death rate that was A FRACTION of that for Texas and Florida.

    In fact, TEXAS HAS HALF THE RATE OF CALIFORNIA !!

    Now, let’s focus on a very important factor that the raw numbers don’t account for – because the raw data, as embarrassing as it is for your thesis Mr Unz, actually flatters you because it’s not an apples to apples comparison.

    I recall reading that Florida has a very large ELDERLY DEMOGRAPHIC compared to other states. ie: lots of retirees go there to spend their twilight years.

    From memory, among the 50 states, Florida ranked in the top half dozen or so on ‘oldest average age’ of its residents.

    California meanwhile, ranked # 44 (amongst the youngest average age of any state). In other words, only six U.S states had a younger demographic.

    When the AGE DEMOGRAPHIC IS FACTORED IN, Florida had a noticeably LOWER COVID MORTALITY RATE THAN CALIFORNIA.

    Meanwhile, seeing as I’m in Australia, let’s throw in the figures for Australia:

    ** New South Wales (Australia’s most populous state): Briefest of Light Lockdowns, 0.8 per deaths per 100,000.
    ** Victoria: Arguably the most tyrannical/longest lasting/most restrictive Lockdowns in the western world, (approx) 11.0 deaths per 100,000.

    That’s right Ron.

    Victoria, which was the POSTER BOY FOR SEVERE LOCKDOWNS in the western world, had MORE THAN TEN TIMES the Covid mortality of NSW (where I live), a state that not only had a brief and light lockdown (around April-May 2020), but EVERYTHING WAS OPEN for most of the last 18 months and most of us went around MASKLESS and not observing Socialist Distancing.

    Now, what I’ve said above is the case for the period Jan 2020- mid June 2021 when the entirety of Australia (except for the state of Victoria), had some of the LEAST RESTRICTIVE lockdowns and Covid restrictions in the OECD.

    Admittedly, in the last 6-7 weeks the whole eastern seaboard (containing the bulk of the population) has been in lockdown.

    End Result: Of the five or so Covid deaths we’ve had in the WHOLE COUNTRY in 2021, all but one of them occurred during these last 6 weeks.

    The FACTS DON’T LIE Mr Unz – and they’re telling us that LOCKDOWNS, clearly result in INCREASED MORTALITY.

    You’ve got the statistics ARSE BACKWARDS – like most Covid Cultists tend to do.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Thanks: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Ed Case
  315. Wow, just Wow.

    Is Mr Unz taking the piss here?

    The battle lines have been drawn here in Ireland by the way,

    The vaccine passport is now a requirement for ‘indoor dining’ so I can’t sit in a coffee shop or go to a pub for a pint of Guinness,

    It’s only the start.

    But hey there is no agenda according to Mr Unz,

    By way of context we have, in a population of 5 million people, a little over 20 people in ICU, who are in hospital for something other than covid and are listed as covid patients only because they ‘caught it’ whilst in hospital.

    It might be time to be careful about this site.

    • Agree: Theophrastus
  316. geokat62 says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    IMO, this magnetic thing does have the smell of truth about it.

    Not just a smell, but a taste.

    I met up with a couple of friends the other day and we got started on the topic of vaccines. The one friend told the other to take off his shirt and show us if he can make a toony (a $2 coin) stick to his shoulder. He promptly removed his shirt and sure enough, like magic, the toony stuck to his arm. He tried sticking it to other parts of his body, but was unable to.

    Bottom line: magnetism is the real deal. I’ve witnessed it with my own two eyes.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  317. @Mevashir

    Wow, I am speechless. Sorry you got tricked into baring your arm. Not sure how I would react to that. Especially if it caused potentially long term damage, such as what you have tragically come to experience.

    Again, I can only offer my sympathies and my wishes for your full recovery.

    Very sad on many fronts. 🙁

    MM

  318. @Rahan

    I am very sorry to say this, Rahan, but I’m afraid you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT right on all counts!

    It’s all about timing. And they have to make it as perfect as possible, because they’ve only got one chance, otherwise they’ll get hunted down by the rest of us.

    That gives us though one chance, so which does certainly give us a little cheer for optimism and relaxation.

    But must be added a less than cheerful first five minutes of the 2016 movie ‘CELL’. Here all the graphene oxide particles and tiny flakes (all exquisitely conductive, capable of mass self-collective assemblage and intelligently coherent) squirted into each and every vial of clot-shot sits dormant (like an undercover communist spy secreted in the ‘hood) then at the flick of the old 5G switch, all downtown turns zombie. OK, OK, maybe it’s not exactly zombie, but it’ll hurt unbearably in the middle of your head if you try to go somewhere. It’ll be like circumcision again, only about 10 to 100 times more excruciatingly painful. And by now, the many-multiplied and globally-propelled spike proteins sitting in every highway and byway of our circulatory system saying come to me graphene, come to me, baby, hurry, block up my beaver with your great big damn. Wow! ‘…how clever you are, graphs!’ Hello: strokes, fast-track diabetes, tissue necrosis and at-home depot amputations.
    Plus, for any believers amongst you, you will no longer have the DNA assigned to you by our Almighty Creator. He just won’t know where to put you any longer; fish, fowl, sheep or goat!

    I have always lived in fear of death (well at least since I was about, say, 30), but all this is going to be much, much worse. My shift in perception has been so sudden that I would now almost willingly and so speedily end my life rather than accept this monstrous substance and technology operating and self-replicating inside my weak and terrified body. In fact, this is now that which the Western homesteaders referred to as, at least my, best ‘prepping’.

    Of course, it’s such is an easy thing to say, but how’s life going to be anyway? D’ya think you’re really gonna’ enjoy that dreamt-of scuba-dooba deep down in Mexico, the new Rolex, or even that steamy sunny lobster BBQ on your own sailboat in Maine? It’ll all be over, it’ll never happen!

    [MORE]



    https://www.bitchute.com/video/7JaxqjT9VAtI/


    https://www.brighteon.com/866b03cd-dad9-42dd-8d38-8a375bce5ddf

    That’s really then why those who are doing this; our enemy, the elite, our media, and ‘our’ governments really have to be as quick, nimble and determined in action as they wholly may be. This is why they’re as so desperate and frantic in everything they do and say. They care not about whether their lies are seen through; it just doesn’t matter anymore. They just need to ship product like Hell depended on it! Their one chance means that they must go at this as fast, as fast, as fast as possible!


    https://www.brighteon.com/e62d5558-7dc9-44c9-a12c-db19edfebb59

    Thing’s, quite literally, couldn’t be any worse.

    The great people of America must surely now assemble and put an immediate and peaceful end to this monstrous and hideous murder happening simultaneously on a local, national and international scale, even if just to put a temporary STOP on it, and double-check we really are not making some great-big almighty sacrifice of ourselves.

    GOD BLESS AMERICA

  319. Barnard says:

    The intellectual leaders of such individuals tend to be figures like Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, and Peter Brimelow, as well as the numerous writers regularly featured on their publications The Occidental Observer, American Renaissance, and VDare.

    But here’s something interesting I’ve noticed. All of those publications and intellectual leaders mentioned above seem to have totally avoided this controversy, almost never running a single article about it or even mentioning it. My very strong suspicion is that’s because all of them pretty much agree with me 100%, but are very fearful of provoking a huge wave of vilification from their outraged devotees, many of whom would denounce them in the strongest possible terms and never trust them again on anything else.

    They don’t want to get further deplatformed over an divisive issue that has nothing to do with their other work. Questioning the official narrative you have swallowed on Covid results in instant deplatforming. Peter Brimelow has said as much (see link below). Lydia Brimelow posted a question on Gab asking if the electromagnetism videos from vaccinated people were real, you think she has taken the vaccine?

    https://vdare.com/articles/so-the-ruling-class-was-wrong-wrong-wrong-about-covid-19-what-else-are-they-wrong-about

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  320. cassandra says:
    @Skip Scott

    Just sending folks home to get sicker and THEN treating them is negligence that rises to criminality.

    The following is from the a 12/20 review of early treatments by Peter McCullogh et al. at
    https://rcm.imrpress.com/article/2020/2153-8174/RCM2020264.shtml.

    The majority of serious viral infections require early treatment with multiple agents and this approach has not been applied in trials of COVID-19 sponsored by governments or industry.

    This paper coins the acronym SMDT = Sequential Multidrug Therapy, but it’s just a term for the early outpatient (at home) treatment using appropriate combinations of drugs This is a strategy which had been known and practiced by a minority of western physicians since spring of 2020, and by doctors in Asia earlier. The first 2 pages up to Figs. 1 and 2 provide a quite readable explanation of how SMDT should have been applied strategically to treat COVID .

    A few observations:

    [MORE]

    1. Fig. 2 of the review shows that it takes about a week after viral infection before serious cytokine damage begins. The virus is doubling every five hours or so, and even simple remedies like mouthwash can hammer the disease at this stage. More advanced but still relatively simple antiviral treatments could kill off the virus completely during this time. However: the CDC recommends sitting at home and doing nothing, until hypoxia turns lips blue when hospitalization becomes necessary.

    2. This SMDT approach was not just absent from clinical trials, but it was actively denigrated by institutional eliites. Consider that every promotion of treatments such as HCQ and Remdesivir were vigorously denigrated by the CDC. Recommendations were withheld for even mild remedies such as vitamins C and D, zinc and quercetin, and there was no mention of gargling with betadine or using nose spray, or even reducing weight. These treatment details are unimportant; the underlying commonality is that CDC policy effectively prevented antiviral remedial actions until AFTER the virus had the upper hand and complications were setting in.

    3. Didier Raoult’s explosive March 2020 trials of HCQ and azithromycin on early COVID patients didn’t come out of a vacuum, but were motivated by correspondence with Asian doctors, for whom chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine had been used routinely and successfully. At least South Korea, China and India were favorably disposed, although India switched from HCQ to Ivermectin in late summer 2020. Throughout 2020, newspaper articles ran skeptical stories trying to explain why these countries were reporting such spectacularly low death rates, without actually explaining why. Lockdowns were only part of the story: in contrast to official American and Eurpoean constraints, asian doctors were free to treat patients at the first sign of COVID with effective medications that the west had tarred as being dangerous and/or ineffective. In the US only mavericks like Zelenko, and today the FLCCC and relatives, were reporting how effective, and safe, such treaments could be when applied competently. Consequently, some of the best studies are coming from South Americ and Asia where institutional capture by Big Pharma is weaker.

    4. I don’t think it so far-fetched to propose that if early-treatment protocols had implemented aggressively and made a part of CDC guidelines when they were first identified in spring of 2020, that the number of COVID deaths in the US would have been closer to the expected tens of thousands than the 650,000 deathly medical conflagration we have today.

    • Replies: @Skip Scott
  321. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    My impression is that a large majority of the most energetic anti-vaxxers on this website tend to be anti-establishment rightwingers, supporters of what had once been called the Alt-Right. Not all of them by any means, but a large majority.

    if they’re too honest to get on board the anti-vaxx crackpottery, they may just decide to remain silent and avoid the issue.

    You need to be careful using the phrase “anti-vaxx crackpottery”. This term is reserved for the mostly LEFT group that opposed almost all vaccines. Primarily those for children. Refusing the Polio vaccine for your child is “anti-vaxx crackpottery”.

    You really need a separate term, “anti-vaxx rationalists” for those who are concerned about the experimental vaccines that were rushed to market in response to WUHAN-19 covid. Because the LEFT intentionally generated hysteria about WUHAN-19 as part of #NeverTrump dogma, much of the suspicion about these specific vaccines comes from the Rational Right. And there are very valid, totally non crackpot questions. For example:

    — Why get a vaccine protects against a 0.02% chance of death for those who are healthy and under 65?
    — Why get a vaccine when early indications are that it does not protect against WUHAN-∆?

    Receiving a vaccine is a “Risk/Benefit Analysis”. And, for those who are healthy and under 65, rational science shows that the potential benefit is almost nil. Rare risk of side effects plus unknowns from experimental methods leads “anti-vaxx rationalists” to logical conclusions when scored versus the nil benefit scenario.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  322. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    But here’s something interesting I’ve noticed. All of those publications and intellectual leaders mentioned above seem to have totally avoided this controversy, almost never running a single article about it or even mentioning it.

    That’s because they realise that immigration should be the burning issue all over the West.

    But instead of talking about immigration moratoria, we’re talking about vaccine passports.

    “By way of deception thou shalt do war.”

    • Agree: The Griffins
    • Replies: @geokat62
  323. HbutnotG says:

    Unproven, untested, probably unneeded part aside, this antivax “crackpot”business has a background long before the COVID thing.

    I’ve referred to them as needle-a-phobes. They’ve been around since the days of polio shots. Those questionably “sharp” needles they used 60 years ago DID often hurt like a sonofabitch. I can remember adults carrying on over coffee clatch about how horrible the experience was. And to make it even worse, it wasn’t unusual for that doctor to acquire this scruntched up facial expression as he stuck that needle in your arm (or ass). I remember that clearly. That tetanus shot was the worst, they say. My mom (with her 7th grade education) would tell me “it has to hurt, honey, or it won’t take.” Far as I can tell, that’s where this all started.

    In later years I’ve noticed the biggest needle-a-phobes were those big strapping redneck type white men who drive big “dually” pickup trucks and go hunting deers in November. Those were classic. Having performed bone marrow biopsies, I can tell you, it was only males under 50 (hillbilly and otherwise) that had to be sedated – nobody else needed sedation.

    So these Republican “deplorable” types long ago established their vax-a-phobia having later made up all sorts of excuses for evading vaccinations of any type. Articles citing all kinds of phony vaccine-related tragedies appeared from time to time in Popular Mechanics Sports Illustrated and similar manly magazines. The liberal socialistas and their media fellators have now taken that ball and rolled it to the 2 yard line. Who couldn’t predict that?

    But, that aside, this nouveaux cocktail is far too underinvestigated and since there is no factual unbiased scientific anything available to assess it these days – no thanx. Despite my background, I (and my colleagues) have no idea what this shit is actually supposed to do or how, but I do know that I’ve caught COVID twice (inside of 4 months), so I’m immune to at least 2 variants anyways, whether you like it or not. And it wasn’t even as bad as a head cold. So my advice: skip it.

    • Thanks: JimDandy
    • Replies: @AceDeuce
  324. “Pretty much all the world’s political leaders have been vaccinated. If you look at the public surveys, vaccination rates in America are highest for the wealthiest and best-educated portion of the population, which includes all our political, economic, media, and intellectual elites, while vaccination rates are lowest for the poorest and the least educated. I’ll bet virtually every member of the World Economic Forum has been vaccinated. Early on, some of the more “conspiratorial” commenters claimed vaccination was a diabolical plot by the Jews to finally exterminate all the “goyim” but they became mystified when they learned that Israel had one of the world’s highest vaccination rates.”

    Firstly, I don’t believe that the “elites” have been given the shot, they’ve been given a vitamin C shot or a saline solution or get a staged shot that doesn’t inject anything. Medical professionals I know, who give shots on a constant basis, have looked at videos of politicians being given the shot and normal preparations and techniques that every nurse knows have not been followed. As for the higher educated being more anxious to get the shot, since the system has worked for them, they believe in it more than the poorer people, who the system hasn’t worked for. They see around them nothing but failed government “experiments” and tend to have very little trust in another one. The higher education one gets and specializes, the less one is able to see the whole picture and tend to blindly trust other “educated” people because they see them as part of their team.

  325. anon[825] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Verso

    Excess deaths-by-Governors = ?

    CDC accounting could be on par with Enron’s.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • LOL: Tom Verso
  326. A123 says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    I am a Christian. And, I never mentioned Israel in this thread. It has no relevance to the discussion at hand.

    You are sadly brain damaged and you are making yourself paranoid and delusional by reading VT. You need to stop making your mental deterioration worse before you begin to self harm.

    If it helps — I forgive you.

    PEACE 😇

  327. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    Perhaps the thought of greased ziozayin up your ass excites you so much you can’t think straight, but can you just answer this one simple Q:

    Why do you praise Ziokikestan for the same Covid response (lockdowns, quarantines, vaxxs) that you criticize America for?

    https://www.unz.com/ghood/why-people-dont-trust-the-science/#comment-4816469
    The science of the Sept.11 attacks said that invading Iraq and Afghanistan would be Cakewalks. That’s political science.

    The political science of the Covid attacks said invading our bodies with lethal concoction of poison will be Cakewalks.

    Trump lied about the origin of Covid like Bush lied about origin of 9-11 attacks.

    Trump lied about the vaccine like Bush lied about WMD yellow cake war.

    China did not attack the US. China is the patsy.

    The US, UK and Israel are behind Covid.

    That’s political science.

  328. @A123

    I’ve seen quite a bit of the disinformation you’ve been peddling on other threads posted in UR, so rest assured, YOU are the one we’re LAUGHING at.

    Whilst I haven’t always agreed with Mevashir, he’s very well informed on a range of issues and I commend him for his objectivity and humility.

    Meanwhile ‘A123’, you clearly have a dog in the race when making assertions on most topics.

    Your output therefore, is next to worthless.

    • LOL: A123
  329. Mevashir says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I can’t understand anything you’re saying. Pure gobbledygook.

    Is that the best MoeSad can train people like you?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  330. @Ron Unz

    We can talk about this subject forever, but for me there is only one question that matters.

    Do you support mandatory vaccination?

    • Thanks: Greta Handel, Skeptikal
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  331. cassandra says:
    @John Johnson

    The “vaccinated” are CAUSING everyone to catch a cold. It’s obvious.

    Everyone’s dying of the plague; it must be God’s anger at the infidels and witches and the politically incorrect, so we need to burn them.

    …what passes for policy-making today.

  332. Schuetze says:
    @Iris

    You forgot to mention some critical information, Iris. You say:

    “He caught Covid19 two weeks ago, was stabilised and well looked after at hospital.”

    Can you tell us what treatment he took during the two weeks before he went into the hospital? Ivermectine, Hydroxychlorquine, Vitamin treatment, Zinc, Antibiotics, Nebulizer, etc? Did the glorious French socialized medicine system just leave him at home as his health deteriorated? When he got to the hospital, did they give him any treatments I mentioned above or other? It is hard enough to judge what is happening to people, but the worse thing is when people play the victim card like you just did without giving sufficient background information for anyone to even begin to make an opinion let alone a judgement. I too am in my mid 60’s. I’ll take my chances with covid, but I already have a small covid toolkit assembled for if/when I get hit. I would love to have Ivermectine and Hydroxychloroquine in that tool kit, unfortunately your beloved medical system denies me these treatments while putting “frontline” nurses and doctors on a pedestal and trying to jab me with vaccines that not only don’t work, but are causing a major pandemic all on their own.

    Here is a great video titled “14 minutes of vaccine hell”.

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=A5R4D89KO54N

    • Replies: @Iris
  333. @Skip Scott

    Linus Pauling had been using 12 grams of vitamin C per day, to no effect.
    Some people, because of their personal quirks, use mammoth supplements.

    I’ve read most of the acclaimed literature (Earl Mindell etc.) & most of it is exaggeration. True, in some cases, huge doses of vitamin B, along with other supplements, work wonders in re-invigorating cognitive capabilities, but this is one of rare cases.

    D3 & Zinc may be helpful while having Covid- but nothing spectacular. The same goes with big amounts of C during ordinary flu.

  334. @Ron Unz

    I think the dissident right is not unified on this topic and are represented in both camps.

    Anglin and Ramzpaul say that covid is basically a hoax. Vince James too.

    TRS originally seemed to believe the media narrative….I think they modified their position somewhat.
    Spencer supported the mainstream narrative. Greg Johnson too.

    KMAC and Taylor….IDK. You could be right that they took the jab because they are older…but they are intellectual giants and they have great integrity….so I’m not sure I’d accuse them of being faint hearted or fearful of losing followers. In fact….they have such big balls I don’t think they worry about what people think.

    Face it….covid is a VERY confusing issue and there are mountains of information to sift through.
    I just watched Ron Paul’s morning show and Daniel went over some of the conflicting information and observed that it has to be difficult for people to make decisions in such a politicized climate.

    When ice cream and pillows and gymnastics and coke and chicken sandwiches and EVERYTHING becomes political…..the normal person either becomes hysterical from anxiety, or tunes all of it out just to stay sane.

  335. I have to say that from now on I cannot trust anything Mr. Unz says. The chicanery over excess deaths has been explained in the UK. People die with covid, sometimes a year or two sooner than they would have otherwise. Sometimes young healthy people do. Just like young healthy people can die of the flu, pneumonia, strokes, cancer and heart attacks. That he cannot or will not see the farce is disturbing.

  336. anon[825] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Fremen

    Polio:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1005127713848463361.html
    ——————————————————————————-

    The Covid Bolony = 2 doses total or 2 doses + booster or booster every year
    or booster every 6 months or booster every month or 2 weeks and still need mask(s),
    social distancing and imprisonment.

    Sorta indicates Fauxi Corony Bolony an excuse/tool for human engineering:
    political, social, economic, population, biological.

    Evil bastards. Evil agendas.

    5 dancing shlomos

  337. Yee says:

    geokat62,

    “So, “conservatives” are morons for pointing out that those videos were all fake and for wondering why the CCP did absolutely nothing to expose that fact, ”

    You’d have to make it on BBC or CNN for the CCP to expose your fake video… Some anti-China website which publish nothing but lies? Why give them any attention?

  338. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ooooh poor Stevey, Clown Karley and Fat Crochan, anti-vaxxer commenters were mean to them… LOL.

    Steve was wrong. Karlin was (and is) stupidly wrong. Crochan was wrong. Commenters were right to criticize them, but even if they weren’t, who cares, it’s their job to withstand criticism. (Well, not all, Karlin is a pansy and blocks dissenters).

    For example, my guess would be that 98% of the journalists at the NYT and WSJ have been vaxxed.

    Who cares? They would, wouldn’t they? Well, these are the times when I think that the idea of the vaxx being a “depopulation tool” being true wouldn’t be so bad, LOL.

    But I’d suspect that the figure is 90% among the (over 40) main writers at “dissident right” websites. Just go ahead and ask them whether they’ve been vaxxed and why.

    I doubt it very much. Not the ones I know. If you have any information about it, then prove it. But I guess you’re talking about “fake” leaders or fake “rightists”. Ben Shapiro and people like that.

    Look, the vaccine wouldn’t necessarily be a problem if it was optional and not pushed so much to every man, woman and child 24/7, and if there was not a whole system of censorship and forcing behind it, “green passes”, mandatory jabs and all that. If a lot of information wasn’t censored. That’s why people instinctively suspect something’s wrong.

    Only autists don’t seem understand that, because, well, they are autists (by the way, what happened to the vaccines = autism issue? No one talks about it anymore…)

    But, sometimes I think (conspiracy theory alert), perhaps (((their intention))) was to make the vaccines appear bad to the “dissident right”. Enter hammy actors Klaus “007 villain” Schwab and Bill Gates saying scary things about “depopulation” and “great reset”. Then they put a tranny mandating vaccines to the public.

    So, naturally, the alternative right becomes anti-vaxxer.

    Then (((they))) push a “leaky” vaccine that needs to be renewed every year, making billions of people slaves to vaccines, and at the same time causing a mutation in the virus to become more deadly.

    All anti-vaxxers in the dissident right die horribly. No more opposition to the NWO.

    MRNA vaccines are mandated yearly to everybody, laced with some other genetic modifications, and who doesn’t takes them, dies.

    NWO instituted. Ron Unz is elected President of the USA and abolishes “bilingual education”, ensuring a future of peace and prosperity.

    THE END.

    • Replies: @Odd Rabbit
    , @Morton's toes
  339. AReply says:

    This article looks like Unz CYA, going on-record with an exhibit that might defend him if attacked for running a large-scale disinformation outlet.

    NO ONE AT UNZ IS INTERESTED IN THE SCIENCE OF ANYTHING, NOT EVEN PERSUASION

    As Unz states and re-states in this article, he is not an expert about any of the topics he’s discussing, and he doesn’t care about how things work anymore so than he cares about not knowing how his automobile works in order to drive it.

    This article could be picked completely apart for its overt contradictions, ridiculous degrees of question-begging, ideological rambling, and obfuscations, all of which are typical of the Unz oeuvre. But this time the articles most distinctive feature what should receive attention: a probing repartee between an acerbic questioner and his insightful muse in a posture of thoughtful review over the opinions at hand regarding the covidz — oh, woe, the things these two have seen:

    The Q/A format of this article is silly editorial gimmick, designed to make it seem like there’s a vast domain of misunderstanding about Ron’s views which leaves room for plausible deniability about the astounding degree of misinformation and agitprop that’s pumped through these intertubes.

    [MORE]
    A Q/A portrays Unzcom as captain of a ship sailing uncharted oceans of technical detail and public opinion seeking a stable shore of reason upon which to disembark his audience. But the obvious fact of this site is a conservative ex-republican tromp l’oiel with a liberal deus ex machina dangling over a crank-driven, painted, paper-mache wave prop as a libertarian hero is taken into the belly of a cardboard whale. (In such circumstances, a modicum of snuff can be most efficacious)

    But in this setting, the Q/A prop is an unnecessary and also a futile gimmick because the views expressed are generally completely incoherent except in the one rigid dimension of reactionary conservatives media pundits sowing confusion and distrust within the mindshare of American commonwealth on behalf of a business class.

    Moreover, Ron Unz clarifying his editorial position here is meaningless when there never been any acknowledged expertise or responsibility for any author or subject conveyed by this site. The ship flies a pirate flag, so WTF does it matter what protocol observing. (The pirate code is really more like guidelines)

    The fact are that regarding Covid pandemic, this sites editorial posture is a public health hazard. Only the open comments save it by allowing it to seem a farce.

    Unz doesn’t know much but he likely knows that while it’s fair to let his freak-flags fly freely, freedom of speech rights obviously are not absolution from liability for misleading damaging speech, where damage is measured in terms distinct contributions to a global public health crisis.

    IT’S WAY PAST TIME FOR THIS PLACE TO GET IT’S HEAD OUT OF ITS ASS, AND THIS IS A CHARITABLE LAMENT

    But how can Ron move forward? Regardless of the pandemic Unz.com is a still a public mental-health hazard, which actively stokes xenophobia and seeks to divide and conquer public opinion in overtly racist terms.

    While I think Unz’ work is shy of being expressly evil, this concern appears to be operated by a mental child in an adult body. It’s like he’s playing with a toy monster he secretly wishes had the power to destroy his neighborhood, with no concern for the play-times actual incursions into the immediate civic ‘reality’.

    THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL CONTRADICTION EXPRESSED HERE: USA LIBERTARIANS WRINGING THEIR HANDS OVER WHY THE GOVERNMENT DOESN’T WORK PROPERLY WHILE REPUBLICANS WORK TO COMPLETELY DESTROY THE COMMONWEALTH EXCEPT FOR TAKING CARE OF OBSCENELY RICH PEOPLE.

    Naturally Unz, in true USA libertarian form is not concerned with the commonwealth, only that he may get sued.

    Astonishingly, there is a ready supply of other overgrown children jumping at the chance to give more life to Unz’ the toy monster. Including a retired Assistant to the Secretary of the Treasury under the Reagan Administration!

    I suspect Unz doesn’t have much to fear. Since the Republicans, through Trump, have set the bar of adult discourse so low that most 10-y.o. children can exceed it and the kids will more likely spare us the tantrums. Idiots are in good company of their elders all across America in 2021.

    But Unz is still smart to cover his ass.

    • Replies: @Brás Cubas
  340. @Mevashir

    Is 45,000 deaths within 3 days of vaccination during the US Covid-19 vaccination programme remarkable?

    This would make a great intelligence test question, but, sadly, even with the answer written out for you, you failed to understand.

  341. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Slashslashdele

    Perhaps the long interview wasn’t needed, afterall.

    If Mr. Unz wishes to troll his readers, surely he has the right to do so.

  342. gsjackson says:
    @Ron Unz

    Oh, I thought Unz was going to go with his tried-and-true dismissal by categorization into marginalized groups, but it turns out to be another twist on the old argument from authority: See, you alt-right characters, your leaders obviously agree with me as evidenced by their silence on the subject. So the weight of authority piles up even higher against those of you who disagree with me. What a futile pretense you make of ‘thinking for yourselves’ in the face of all this authority.

    Will someone please send our fearless leader a correspondence course on basic logic. His sole purpose on this subject seems to be a demonstration of one logical fallacy after another. Meanwhile he continues to studiously ignore the extraordinary concentration of evidence debunking his positions on his own website.

    • Agree: Wild Man
    • Thanks: Greta Handel, Mike Tre
  343. @Tom Verso

    It is indeed strange that Unz pretends that an observed increase in total mortality during the period of Covidmania should be attributed entirely to the lethality of the bug. The average age of a “Covid death” in my province is 80. The average Covid death has over three significant comorbidities. Over sixty percent of all Covid deaths occurred among people already so frail that they were consigned to long-term care.
    The population that has succcumbed to Covid, already elderly, sick and frail, were subject to unprecedented psycho-social disruptions when lock-downs were implemented. There is no question that these kinds of disruptions produced increased mortality. Almost half of all Covid deaths had dementia. The routines to which these people were accustomed were obliterated as a function of the unprecedented social controls, and of course, they died, as old people with dementia do.
    Further, as they burned down the village to save it, customary medical procedures were shut down to in order to prevent customary medical procedures from being shut down by the influx of hundreds of thousands of Covid patients that never materialized.
    Simple things like laproscopic hernia surgeries were delayed so that patients could then undergo what would have been otherwise unnecessary invasive operations once their conditions deteriorated during the delays.
    I am in my fifties, and two people I knew in my age range took their own lives during Covidmania, but I don’t know a single person who died from the bug.
    A grand total of twenty-six people under forty have died with a positive Covid test in the province over seventeen months, but the overall mortality in that age group has increased by around ten per week during the same period.
    According to this article from the British Medical Journal, Covid didn’t even play a role in two thirds of the increased deaths observed in England and Wales during Covidmania.
    https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1931
    Unz has in no way addressed the effect of the socio-economic restrictions and disruptions on mortality.
    What a cunt.
    Covidmania is a massive psy-op, and Unz hews to the line all the way. Make what you will of that on a website that remains free, in an era of relentless censorship and assaults on critical thought and free speech, to provide fora for all manner of racist clap-trap, and yet contiues to escape the critical eye of the identitarian panopticon.

  344. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    I’ll bet virtually every member of the World Economic Forum has been vaccinated.

    Vaccinated with what?

    That’s a tough one for the anti-vaxxers.

    Not necessarily. It could be a tough one for the vaxxers, if what the WEF members receive is not the same as what mere expendable citizens receive, for example.

  345. @Peripatetic Itch

    Of course you are also equivocating on the word vaccine. These are not vaccines in any sense except the results you might claim for them. They are gene therapies, even according to your criteria of what they do and how they work.

    You are lying through you teeth about my “criteria of what they do and how they work.”

    All vaccines present pathogen antigens or analogs of them to the adaptive immune systems, prompting long term recognition of them and the usual response when challenged with the real thing, from the very first vaccine which gave us the name from “smallpox of the cow,” a pox virus closely related to smallpox (pox immunity seems to be pretty general, the previous US monkeypox outbreak was addressed in part with smallpox vaccine administration), to a toxoid variation of the deadly toxin that produces lockjaw in victims of tetanus, to all these active and passive vaccines that present spike proteins or more to the immune system.

    “Gene therapies” is getting to be a blood libel against mRNA vaccines, for that’s just a not very accurate name for one tried and failed so far use of mRNA technology. Like all “active” vacines, the mRNA ones are a very direct and simple end to the means of getting some mRNA to direct hijacked cells to make viral proteins, engendering a full immune system response by mimicking as closely as possible a real infection on a very limited scale. If you reject them, you must also reject a bunch of childhood vaccines that use replication competent attenuated live viruses. And out of order because the above is necessary explanation:

    Typical big-pharma rationalization. It’s actually because they define it that way. Any symptom that doesn’t show up within the first few days of the inoculation is defined to be coincidental. Nothing is permitted to be connected to the vaccine unless it can be proved beyond doubt and the further along it occurs the less likely it can be proved to the standard set by the manufacturer.

    First, that’s demonstrably wrong, three syndromes in US emergency approved vaccines have already been discovered, advertised, and to the extent possible, mitigated against. Not sure if that’s possible for Guillain-Barré syndrome, which is a well known but low rate autoimmune adverse effect of vaccines, but also a very low percentage of the total cases of it. Are you claiming to be ignorant of those, not to mention all the problems with the Oxford grift?

    In general principles, damage can come misadministration (per VAERS one idiot RN injected a vaccine into someone’s shoulder joint!!), something random in the injection, for the mRNA vaccines the lipids that protect the mRNA or the sucrose that protects the whole affair while and during it’s freezing, or from the immune system reaction to the antigens produced by the vaccine. The latter plays out relatively quickly, and surely I don’t have to point out to you the existence of autoimmune diseases, including rheumatoid arthritis the history of which goes back millennia.

  346. Publius 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    No, that’s not why. It’s all so tiresome and the alt right is just tired at this point. It’s been so horrifying to learn just how much we are surrounded by sheep the last 17 months.

    The election and Jan. 6.

    To quote La’Niquida: We tired.

    There is not enough time to debunk the nonstop communist lies.

    We are living in The Hunger Games with an illegitimate president and we tired and scared.

    It is beyond obvious that the “vaccine” has now gotten the entire world sick. It’s still the common cold and most will recover, but it’s annoying. I personally don’t get sick. Ever. I’m healthy and I wash my hands and avoid touching public bathroom doorknobs.

    I’m sick now, in the summer, because 51% of the people around me are sheep who ran out to get the “vaccine”.

    Of course 98% of MSM people lined up to get vaxxed on day 1. Most communist sheep millennial are true believers. We are not saying they are perpetrating this on white people on purpose while knowing the vaxx is actually getting everyone sick. No, they are true believers who have been scared shitless and believe their own shit.

    By the way, what is a government “official”? I’m the boss of the government, not the other way around.

    These comments are not well written, I know. I apologize. I don’t have time to be commenting here. I have a job.

    The alt right is not dead. We’re very frustrated by what we’ve seen since Trump won in 2016: a massive hysterical mental breakdown and crackdown by the bad guys.

  347. onebornfree says: • Website

    Ron Unz- Defender of Individual Freedom?

    “I tend to agree with the anti-vaxxers that the vaccines are probably far, far more dangerous than the usual ones we get every year.”

    “I tend not to be overly focused on constitutional or ideological questions.”

    Dear Ron, taking those two statements of yours together, do you believe that despite the “vaccines”, admitted( by you) lack of safety, that federal, state and local governments have the authority(and “right”) to enforce those opposed to these,err, “vaccines” to be “vaccinated”?

    Furthermore, because _you_ apparently believe that:

    1) The virus really exists,
    2) there is a real pandemic.
    3) lockdowns work
    4) mask wearing works
    5)social distancing works……

    …..does that mean that you believe that anyone who does _not_ believe in any of the above “facts” , here, in the US, can and should be forced by government to go along with _your_ particular beliefs, simply because _you_ (and others like you, inside and outside of government) believe them to be effective?

    In other words, Ron, are you an enemy of individual freedom or a defender of it?

    Enquiring minds want to know.😒

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Wild Man
  348. George 1 says:
    @Liza

    Liza, of course you are correct. Reading it over it sounds like I am playing into the dogma.
    The CDC just admitted that the PCR tests could not even differentiate between Covid and Flu. So in reality we don’t have a good breakdown of what killed who reference the 2020 excess deaths.

    We should also be studying how many deaths were caused by the lockdowns. I bet it was not a trivial number.

    • Thanks: Liza
  349. geokat62 says:

    The government and media LIED about:

    JFK
    9/11
    WMD
    Holomodor
    GWOT
    Diversity Is A Strength
    etc, etc, etc

    Don’t believe me? See American Pravda series (for the first four, at least).

    … and we’re told to trust the government and media re covid vaccines?

    Why would anybody continue to believe someone whose credibility is virtually zero?

  350. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @BuelahMan

    FIRSTLY: For decades the CDC has engaged in serial lies at the intersection of money, medicine, and public policy: in the 1980’s exaggerating the risks of HIV to non-drug-using heterosexuals, in the 1990’s funding incompetent politicized research on gun violence, and in the 2000’s whistleblowers have exposed the CDC’s “peer-reviewed” publications denying the link between autism and the MMR vaccine, a links that their own research had demonstrated. Where money, medicine, and politics intersect the CDC has been proven as serial liars. Revelations of Dr. Fauci’s emails demonstrate that he and his confreres are agenda-driven serial liars.

    SECONDLY:

  351. “The Appointment in Samarra”
    (as retold by W Somerset Maugham [1933])

    The speaker is Death

    There was a merchant in Bagdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, “Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture, now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there Death will not find me.”

    The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, “Why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning?”

    “That was not a threatening gesture, I said, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Bagdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.”

    The virus is in Bagdad. The vaccine is in Samarra.

  352. Anon[243] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dieter Kief

    “.. it comes down to bind ourselves to the – masthead and – resist – the Siren’s attraction, just like Odysseus did before – sailing on to the horrors of Scylla and Charybdis. ”

    😂😂😂 In a nutshell!!

    “The good, if brief, is twice good.”

  353. @Joe Paluka

    Exactly, Joe

    I have even seen a short video (perhaps on BitChute) of the Primeminister of Belgium getting his shot from a syringe with no needle on it.

    Plus, Netanyahu, getting his, insisted that the delivery operator was actually using only the saline!

  354. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    “We’re getting ready to intubate the patient, which means putting them on a ventilator, and they said, ‘If I get the vaccine now, could I not go on the ventilator?’

    This is a word-for-word repeat of a “news” item from about 10 days back. I checked the facts about intubation at the time, using Mayo Clinic information.

    Item: People who are about to be intubated generally cannot breathe, that’s why they are being intubated. They cannot breath on their own, therefore they cannot talk.

    Item: Intubation is almost always preceded by sedation to a level of unconsciousness in order to make the process easier. Unconscious people don’t talk, either.

    Cool story, bro. Not even believable.

    • Replies: @Publius 2
  355. I disagree with Unz analysis. However, I want to take the opportunity for saying thank you for one of the most interesting sites on the Internet. Thank you!

    • Replies: @Emslander
  356. Here’s an interesting summary of events that has just come us:

    https://guadalajarageopolitics.com/2021/08/02/tim-ray-resisting-the-new-normal-world-order/

    It talks about what one could have done when, say, the Nazis took over in Germany. But the difference between then and now is that people with enough guts (or fear) could flee to another country, but now? No chance!

  357. Thought I’d share this for interested parties, since it is by far the most scientifically literate, clear, and intelligent case for vaccine caution/skepticism I’ve come across:

    Seneff, Stephanie, and Greg Nigh. “Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19.” International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice, and Research 2.1 (2021): 38-79.

    https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/23/51

    • Thanks: Anon62, Levtraro
    • Replies: @Anon62
  358. nickels says:

    The jewish mind always goes with the simplistic, first order model. Especially once it has been written down. The spell of the written authority and allure of a non-complex explanation of reality in the terms of basic math functions like sin, cos, exp are something the jewish mind cannot resist.

    Second order effects and more complex scenarios, in fact, the possibility that the written is rubbish and that all is less subtle are of no avail to such a confident and simplistic creature.

    We can only be glad that Anglo’s and Germanic’s guided are civilization for so long.
    If the west had been always under the jewish influence we would have never gotten past sacrificing chickens.

    Perhaps things will swing back. The must, actually, as the jewish mind always leads to ruin.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  359. Just a couple of brief observations:

    1. So, Ron admits that he obtains his news primarily from the mainstream media, and not from the internet. The entire MSM is owned by the exact same financial interests that control the pharmaceutical industry. Should that fact stoke his curiosity about financial motive? He states that he doesn’t care about the mRNA ‘vaccine’ any more than automobile engines. Does that mean he doesn’t care how his writing on the Covid subject effects the understanding of his readers regarding the subject? That Ron relies primarily on the NYT, WSJ, et al for his ‘news’ regarding the Covid pandemic and mRNA vaccine, speaks volumes about his credibility and the value of his judgment on the subject.

    2. Every U.S. and European government reported statistic on Covid infection and death rates has been based on the proven ineffective Polymerase Chain Reaction test, running at 35-40 CT amplification. Fraud begets fraud.

    3. There is zero hard evidence that the government reported Covid infection and death statistics are not fabricated. Same is true of the deaths statistics related to the mRNA injections. The starting point for all objective analysis of reported public health statistics? The government lies about everything.

    For such a smart man, Ron has done his readers and America a real disservice with his sloppy research and presumptuous commentary regarding this extremely important issue. He incorrectly asserts that that 99% percent of the world’s scientific and medical experts support the government narrative related to the risks and response to the Covid 19 crisis. This statement is utter bullshit and borders on willful misrepresentation. I suggest he avail himself of the expert scientific testimony of Dr. David Martin, Dr. Michael Yeadon, Dr. Peter McCollough, Dr. Carrie Madej, Dr. Simone Gold, Dr. Delores Cahill, Reiner Fullmich, just for a start. These exceptionally qualified and courageous medical experts will provide a much better reference point on this subject than the MSM rags.

    • Replies: @Publius 2
    , @Skeptikal
  360. @Rich

    The UK is much more weighted towards the old fashioned Astra Zeneca vaccine – had two doses. Results suggest that it is more effective against new variants than Pfizer.

  361. Ron Unz says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It is odd that you affirm your own courage here, when you’re the last of the people in your position to openly and strongly defend a vaccine to your hostile readers.

    I’ve actually been pretty straightforward about my Covid views from the beginning. Here are a couple of my articles from early 2020:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/correctly-estimating-coronavirus-infections/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/the-government-employee-who-may-have-saved-a-million-american-lives/

    Since that time, I’ve probably published at least a couple of hundred comments ridiculing and denouncing the Flu Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers, so it’s difficult to believe that anyone had doubts about where I stood.

    I try to restrict my own articles to new ideas, rather than just endlessly repeat what everyone else has been saying, so the vaccine debate hasn’t been at all interesting to me, and I said in the Q&A I haven’t bothered investigating it.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  362. Unz clings to the “500,000 additional deaths” to justify his absurd contention.

    Those additional deaths are not from covid. They result from denial of treatment or mistreatment of other causes.

    That’s the weakest part of his argument.

    Only in a very roundabout and indirect way we’re there “500,000 additional deaths” form covid.

    People can’t bring themselves to believe how many people the people attacking America with covid, covid fear, and lethal covid treatments, will kill to get their way. They make up excuses or grasp flimsy evidence from the liars enemy themselves rather than confront reality.

  363. onebornfree says: • Website

    Unz: “China had very quickly and effectively stamped out the disease with minimal fatalities using an unprecedented series of local and national lockdowns, ”

    “Millions Locked Down As China Battles Worst COVID Outbreak Since Wuhan”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/millions-locked-down-china-battles-worst-covid-outbreak-wuhan

    “Regards” onebornfree

  364. This article gives me a lot to think about. But I remain pretty much in the unbelieving camp on most all things COVID…not only covid, but my take for a while has been whatever the mainstream media pushes is 180 degrees wrong/fake.

    I did download a post from CDC website some time ago, before vax was out, and it had fatality estimate due to covid by age group as:

    0-19 – .00003 (.003%)
    20-49 – .0002 (.02%)
    50-69 – .005 (.5%)
    70+ – .054 (5.4%)
    40% of infections were asymptomatic, and transmission percentage 50%

    40% of infected have no symptoms!! So for starters the vaccine could only help 3 out of 5 people at most. Then, I believe these numbers were without any treatment, but am not sure….if so, and since I think HCQ/zinc and Ivermectin and Vit D help a lot, treated death rates are way less than this even w/o vaccination.

    If the vaccine death rate is .004%, and most all covid deaths included comorbidities, I conclude that makes the vaccine super risky for o40%f the population right off the bat, and yfor anyone in existing good health and under 70, and probably marginally risky for the rest. Throw in all the other unknowns, and the mass vaccination is really bad news. I conclude mandated social distancing and masks and lockdowns were therefore of no help, and state gov’ts outlawed HCQ, which should say a lot. If you did not want to risk yourself as you saw fit, then social distance and mask up, but to make it mandatory, unjustifiable tyranny. To make the vaccine mandatory, even worse.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  365. Ron Unz says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Well, let’s look at some figures of per capita death rates for various U.S states*…In fact, TEXAS HAS HALF THE RATE OF CALIFORNIA !!

    I’m not sure about your numbers. The WorldMeters website seems to be an authoritative source, and it shows very different results, with Texas and Florida having significantly higher per capita Covid death rates than California, which are also what I’ve seen elsewhere, and mentioned in my Q&A:

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @JLK
    , @TomSchmidt
  366. John Wear says:
    @Ron Unz

    The COVID-19 shots are not vaccines and are designed to change the human genome. Some of the doctors who have emphatically warned of the dangers of the COVID-19 shots include:

    1. Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, D.O.
    2. Dr. Carrie Madej, D.O.
    3. Dr. Andrew Kaufman, M.D.
    4. Dr. Peter McCullough, M.D.
    5. Dr. Lee Merritt, M.D.
    6. Dr. Rashid Buttar, D.O.
    7. Dr. Thomas Cowan, M.D.

    I have had three medical doctors in the Dallas area tell me privately that the increase in childhood autism over the last three decades is caused primarily by vaccines.

    Many doctors have been afraid to speak out about the dangers of the vaccines because they would lose their medical license. Other doctors have been murdered. Dr. Carrie Madej left Atlanta for the Dominican Republic in 2015 because she thought it was too dangerous for her to stay in Atlanta.

    I will never take any of the COVID-19 shots. This is not because of ideological reasons, but because these shots are extremely dangerous and designed to change the human genome.

    • Agree: Getaclue
    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Getaclue
  367. @Redman

    In the bottom half of lowest deaths this century is true of most countries in the industrialised world, not just Sweden. See the chart) I show in my earlier comment for Wales. In the case of Wales, 2020 was the 10th lowest death this century.

    Across the rich world, death rates plunged for decades until 2011. In rich parts of Europe, they plateaued (see the chart for Wales). In the US death rates actually started rising slightly.

  368. Schuetze says:

    This is pretty damning for the NIH (and Fauci). From the NIH’s own website in December 2020:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

    Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease

    “Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.

    Fauci and the NIH knowingly violated the Nuremberg code concerning informed consent. Ron Unz couldn’t care less. The Nuremberg code, like the constitution, only works for Jews, not their victims.

    (ADE = Antibody-Dependent Enhancement)

    Malone, inventor of mRNA vaccines, has been saying this for weeks now…

    https://rumble.com/embed/vhtswl/?pub=o9y05

  369. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @That Would Be Telling

    I remain skeptical about ivermectin since it would be the first ever effective drug against acute viral infections, the rest at most promise a very modest reduction in time to recovery.

    Perhaps you should read more about treatment with ivermectin, then. It appears to work by blocking / occupying ACE-2 receptors, those are the entry point for the SARS-2 spike protein.

    As for other drugs:
    Tamiflu can be effective against Influenza A and B both by shortening time to recovery and possibly prevention, provided it is taken soon enough. Or so says the FDA.

    https://www.fda.gov/drugs/postmarket-drug-safety-information-patients-and-providers/tamiflu-consumer-questions-and-answers

    Tamiflu (oseltamivir phosphate) is an antiviral drug. It works by attacking the flu virus to keep it from multiplying in your body and by reducing the symptoms of the flu. Tamiflu can sometimes keep you from getting the flu if you take it before you get sick.

    Zanamir can reduce total time to recovery in Influenza A and B cases, but may offer some prevention as well.
    https://www.drugs.com/monograph/zanamivir.html

    Blockading a known entry point, such as the ACE-2 receptor, is an obvious way to prevent a virus from attacking cells. This would explain both prevention and reduction in time to recover.

    Of course, the US Emergency Use Authorization for the various vaccines is predicated on “no known treatment”, so if a treatment is known, the EUA would logically be void. This would be problematic for drug companies, governments and other entities.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  370. R2b says:

    Mr Unz, you have no argument!
    500.000 plus in the USA, is within normalcy.
    As in Sweden, and most other countries.
    It’s around 1% that passes away each year, and between 2.800.000 and 3.300.000, in a hundred times these figures population, it’s just normal.
    But maybe that year 2020, saw some extra deaths due to lockdown etc.
    Please do your maths and also present real documents per at least 10 years.
    There might also be a question of, how reliable are the CDC.
    And another point, how reliable is population count.
    There you also have a pretty good flux.

  371. geokat62 says:

    UK: Vaccine Booster for 32 Million Next Month

    Transcript of excerpt starting @ 0:40 mark:

    News anchor – Israel and Britain have seen very different results in vaccine efficacy against the delta variant. Israel’s Health Ministry said the current vaccines are only 39% effective in preventing delta. Whereas, British authorities say they have been 88% effective.

    DR. BHARAT PANKHANIA (Senior Clinical Lecturer, University of Exeter) – The Pfizer vaccine globally has been found to be very effective. So, for Israel to have found the efficacy to be as low as you mentioned, is I personally think an ARTEFACT of some, some, something UNEXPLAINABLE because in other parts of the world, Pfizer vaccine has been extremely good.

    Can someone confirm what the Hebrew translation of the word ARTEFACT is?

    I’m hearing rumours that it might be related to or derived from the Latin word saline.

  372. anon[320] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    Dude, you should read your own link.

    UPDATE: A Baptist Health Jacksonville spokesperson gave Action News Jax new information, saying they are NOT at maximum capacity, but to still expect long wait times if you are coming in for a non-emergency.

    ER Update: We sincerely apologize for the error in our recent social media post regarding our Emergency Room capacity. Our intention was to convey that our Emergency Rooms are extremely busy and you may experience longer than normal wait times.

    “A patient having an actual emergency such as a heart attack or stroke will be seen right away. Someone suffering from a less critical condition may experience a longer wait time, depending on the number of patients at the facility and their needs. If people are experiencing an emergency, they should get to an ER ASAP. Wait times also change throughout the day in each of our 9 locations.

    “If you are experiencing a minor health issue, please consider visiting your primary care office. If you would like a COVID-19 test, there are several free sites listed below. If you do not have a primary care physician, please call 202.4YOU (202.4968), and we can assist you in finding a doctor in your area.

    “We apologize to anyone who has experienced an unusually long wait time in one of our Emergency Centers. We are caring for patients with critical emergencies first. In addition, with the increase in ER visits due to the surge in COVID-19, our wait times are higher than usual.

    They are busy. But they are not “filled” as you claim. In fact, they may have a lot of ER visits by people who just want a COVID-19 test.

    Dial back on your panic, dude.

    • Replies: @Publius 2
    , @John Johnson
  373. Ron Unz says:
    @Barnard

    They [Kevin MacDonald, Jared Taylor, Peter Brimelow, and E. Michael Jones] don’t want to get further deplatformed over an divisive issue that has nothing to do with their other work. Questioning the official narrative you have swallowed on Covid results in instant deplatforming.

    I tend to doubt that. Over 40% of American adults haven’t yet been vaccinated, and I’ve never heard of anyone being deplatformed for being “vaccine-hesitant.” Maybe if they said that vaccines were a diabolical plot by Bill Gates or the WEF to exterminate the human race, they’d get into trouble. But if they just said they were holding off on getting vaccinated themselves because they were a little nervous about the side-effects and health risks, they’d be fine. After all, all of the most high-profile anti-vaxxers are still on the Internet, and most of them haven’t even been kicked off Facebook and Twitter, let alone PayPal. I’ll bet those Alt-Right leaders have all kept quiet because they got vaxxed months ago, and don’t want their followers to abandon them for RFK, Jr.

    For example, I remember early in 2020, Kevin MacDonald, E. Michael Jones, and maybe one or two of their writers said some pretty “mainstream” things about the dangers of Covid and they were all immediately blasted as “Zionist stooges” on Twitter. That sort of things makes people a little gunshy.

    Since everyone on both sides agrees that the vaccination issue is a very important one, isn’t it fair that prominent people say whether or not they’ve been vaxxed? Since everyone’s insulting and denouncing me (plus Sailer, Karlin, Cochran, and various others), I think it’s only reasonable that others come clean as well, which will naturally spread the insults over a much larger group.

    Just make a list of the half-dozen most prominent writers (aged 40+) each on VDare, AmRen, OccObs, CultureWars, etc. and have them simply reveal whether or not they’ve been vaxxed. I’ll bet the commenters on this thread will be shocked, and RFK, Jr. will soon receive a huge crop of new devotees…

  374. geokat62 says:
    @nickels

    the jewish influence we would have never gotten past sacrificing chickens.

    Perhaps things will swing back.

    Sacrificing chickens and swing back… I saw what you did there. lol

  375. Cowboy says:

    Awww… It’s always sad to see the gonad clutching leftist shrieking in terror over phantoms and demanding authoritarianism. Don’t blame Ron, in March of 2020 he wrote of how 2+ million people in his hometown barely escaped death had it not been for authoritarian tactics. And no, libertarians do not wring their hands over why government doesn’t work properly they wring their hands over why people believe it would work properly…. except for the shrieking leftist who they understand lack the cojones to live freely.

  376. @George 1

    The CDC just admitted that the PCR tests could not even differentiate between Covid and Flu.

    Which is one reason why we routinely (continue to) use rapid point of care antigen based tests to deferentially diagnose the flu.

    But this claim is based on a most amazing misreading of the CDC withdrawing at the end of this year their very first, developed in a week or less in January COVID-19 only test, while suggesting people switch to FDA authorized tests that check for both COVID-19 and influenza A and B. Even provides a link in the press release to the FDA’s page on COVID-19 tests, which includes, surprise, the CDC’s own “Influenza SARS-CoV-2 (Flu SC2) Multiplex Assay” which as suggested checked for all three. Issued or last updated 1/8/21, but I have a vague memory it first got its EUA in the summer of 2020.

    You need to improve the quality of your news sources. Or start vetting their claims, lots of them like this are easy.

    • Replies: @George 1
  377. @cassandra

    Thank you for this. I’ve bookmarked the link for future reference.

  378. Mevashir says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, I think it is only fair to ask you if you sincerely believe that the anti-vaxxers are “crackpots” why do you provide them a prominent public forum for their views on your website? Is your goal to re-educate them through honest discussion and debate? Or is your goal to embarrass and humiliate them, giving them enough rope to hang themselves?

  379. @meamjojo

    @meamjojo,

    “Gross numbers are used when you want to shock people”….and scare and mislead.

    To wit, yesterday I killed 600,000 ants nesting under my driveway trying to get in my house…..but of the 350,000,000 ants I started with….I still have 349,400,000 ants trying to get in my house.

    I better come up with a better method to cull the ants. BTW, I believe millions of the ants “migrated” to my driveway from other areas….so the true number of ants could be off by magnitudes of millions.

  380. @Philip Owen

    My comment No. 168 is answering this one, I agree with a lot btw.

  381. Mevashir says:
    @anon

    As for other drugs:
    Tamiflu can be effective against Influenza A and B both by shortening time to recovery and possibly prevention, provided it is taken soon enough. Or so says the FDA.

    I believe I had a case of Covid in February 2020. This was before they were testing for it in Colorado. I was extremely sick with body aches and could barely get out of bed to use the bathroom. A friend left bags of food outside my apartment door.

    I managed to drag myself to an Urgent Care unit after two days of misery. They did not think I had covid and were dismissive of my concerns. They thought I had normal flu and prescribed Tamiflu. I ended up recovering quickly after only 7 days total. The Tamiflu seemed to help a lot.

    The reason I think I had Covid is I had many of the symptoms. Extreme fatigue and body ache far worse than a normal flu. A dry hacking cough exactly like covid. The illness scanned the length of my body from head to toe sequentially. It started off with bad headache and sinus congestion, moved down to a sore throat, then to a dry hacking cough, then to indigestion, and finally to diarrhea. I had terrible body and Joint aches all over my body. I also had very bad night sweats, but when I went to the clinic during the daytime they said my temperature was barely elevated.

    • Replies: @Thim
    , @Fidelios Automata
  382. disingenuous! that is the term that comes to mind from RU’s answers! easy to prove in context of RU’s website and its stated principle, as well as RU’s posts all along the way…as many commenters have noted in their answers

    and boy! does RU have it in for Donald Trump! I cant beat up on the Donald like that given the clear reality of foreign control of the White house we are all aware of. Trump was far from my favorite president, or even a good president.

    But the way Covid has gone and continues to go appears to please the powers that dominate the white house and the presidents. Would those powers have allowed Trump to do anything but the way he reacted in the first place?

    Not to mention of course the number of safe and effective treatments for Covid available To the public that began to be banned outright leaving only dangerous untested vaccines

    What an awful disappointment RU has turned out to be!

  383. Publius 2 says:
    @anon

    ((( John Johnson))) is a jew, troll, or sheep, or all of these, and is not worth responding to.

    same as debating a brick wall

  384. @DOUBTFUL

    I remember the deaths in Taiwan as being ridiculously low. Lower than even Thailand. But, of course, now everyone is clamoring for an unnecessary vaxx and are oblivious to what had happened earlier. The correlation between increased illness and death, which occurred immediately after the vaxxing began, and the mind numbing passivity is surreal. My wife, when speaking of her Thai countrymen, said that “they dont think because theyre so easily made afraid.”. And thats the damn truth. They won’t listen and will run, no sprint, headlong over a cliff.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  385. Mevashir says:
    @A123

    Ron, just ignore him. He’s in Nirvana with Zionist cock up his ass. He never once questions the Israeli covid protocols which are identical to the ones here that he so avidly criticizes. This person is a Zionist stooge and/or Christian Zionist troll.

  386. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    “By way of deception thou shalt do war.”

    Look, a squirrel, goy!

    Criticism of Demographic Change to be Made Illegal

    https://odysee.com/@MarkCollett:6/20210305---Criticism-of-Demographic-Change-to-be-Made-Illegal:3

  387. Publius 2 says:
    @anon

    One of the worst aspects of the past 17 months has been having to debate smug, brainwashed millennials who smugly and unironically think they are proving a point and being cute when they cite (((MSM))) lies–lies that are obvious to the sane.

    And knowing that the insane are in charge of society. Obviously.

    • Agree: johnnyuinta
  388. Publius 2 says:
    @Christopher Halverson

    “So, Ron admits that he obtains his news primarily from the mainstream media, and not from the internet. The entire MSM is owned by the exact same financial interests that control the pharmaceutical industry. Should that fact stoke his curiosity about financial motive? He states that he doesn’t care about the mRNA ‘vaccine’ any more than automobile engines. Does that mean he doesn’t care how his writing on the Covid subject effects the understanding of his readers regarding the subject? That Ron relies primarily on the NYT, WSJ, et al for his ‘news’ regarding the Covid pandemic and mRNA vaccine, speaks volumes about his credibility and the value of his judgment on the subject.”

    Yes, this struck me too. Ron went straight mainstream millennial jew on this one, citing (((MSM))) propaganda as if it was unquestionable fact. Lowbrow 102-IQ type arguing. About personal injury/insurance defense-lawyer level of sophistication. Very discouraging.

    After 9/11, this type of average-brained Jew lawyer kept saying, “Nobody ever imagined a terrorist would fly a plane into a building!!!”

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  389. iffen says:

    Are the Opponents of the Covid Injections “Anti-Vaxx Crackpots”?

    No, they are basic crackpots, covid is incidental.

  390. Anon62 says:
    @Fergus

    Journalism at its best. I’m grateful for Ron’s incredible service to humanity with his fearless scrutiny of prevailing social consciousness, and his willingness to put himself on record in the face of what must be pressures most would find unbearable.

    In contrast to the fearless work of Mr. Unz it is deeply concerning that the majority of the world’s “democratic states” demonstrate a belief that their citizens should not be permitted to engage in free and open debate and that should they make any attempt to do so they will be subject to immediate “cancellation,” persecution, or prosecution.

  391. anonymous[366] • Disclaimer says:

    The political motivation for the vaccine mandates is quite clear. At the outset, the US government was panicked about the indiscriminate mass destruction of CIA’s banned biological weapon, SARS-COV-2. The effects of the banned biological weapon were state secrets. Responsibility for infecting the world with the crime of aggression against China and Iran threatens the CIA impunity regime.

    CIA’s internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens does not admit of restitution. Compensation would be ruinous for the CIA regime and the criminal responsibility admits no statute of limitations. To avoid responsibility, CIA has to keep the public preoccupied with response. Threats of illegal rights derogations are the most effective fear-up option for this criminal state.

    We need to insist on justice for this internationally wrongful act so that four million people more people won’t die next time CIA attacks.

  392. Thim says:

    Many educated people trust in statistics, particularly government statistics. Ron Unz is educated and intelligent and well informed, and he believes the statistics. He even believes the fairy tale Chinese statistics.

    There has to be a name for this defect. If there is, it escapes me.

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  393. lysias says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I’ve been taking megadoses of Vitamin D (currently 18,000 IU per day) for over a year now. Not only no covid– no colds, period. Fungal infection in my toenails cleared up. Type 2 diabetes almost went away, with Hba1c dropping from 6.5 to 5.8, almost normal.

    • Replies: @lysias
    , @johnnyuinta
    , @Clyde
  394. JimDandy says:
    @InnerCynic

    I’m worried that intelligent pro-vaxxers are increasingly faced with a stark choice: admit that they were dead wrong with their blanket-mockery of everyone who made the decision to not get the vaccine, or quadruple-down with their condescending, pro-vax cheerleading.

    Even more than most folks, very smart people tend to hate admitting they were wrong.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  395. @Ron Unz

    Pretty sure EMJ thinks covid is an excuse to take our freedoms away…..his opinion might have evolved over time as he got more info.

    I think maybe KMAC hasn’t dealt with it because he likes to stay in his field, and that might be the reason for others not weighing in as well…..people like to work with what they know…..race…..immigration….jewish influence, whatever.

    Sorry for the people insulting you Ron. But I see many comments thanking you for this site and for the opportunity to weigh both sides of the issue. We can’t do this on Twitter or Youtube or Facebook.

    You might be correct that many of the older voices on the dissident right have taken the jab…and it would be interesting to know one way or the other.

  396. Thim says:
    @Mevashir

    mevashir, I had it about the same time as you, January 2020. My symptoms match yours, except I had a very hard time breathing, and my lungs felt like they were literally on fire. But our symptoms match up well.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  397. lysias says:
    @lysias

    And, with a loss of appetite, weight loss.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  398. @Johnny Johnny

    I did download a post from CDC website some time ago, before vax was out, and it had fatality estimate due to covid by age group as:

    [age stratified death rates.]

    40% of infections were asymptomatic, and transmission percentage 50%

    40% of infected have no symptoms!! So for starters the vaccine could only help 3 out of 5 people at most.

    “At night, the ice weasels come.”

    You statistics snapshot was before the more transmissible and probably for the same reason more lethal Alpha variant became a generally dominate variant. Now we have Delta which is even more transmissible (although I don’t trust the CDC internal claim of chicken pox transmissible) and from early indications and studies, again more lethal.

    If the vaccine death rate is .004%

    That would be 7,700 people in the US as of today’s CDC vaccination report, or 40 out of a million, which sounds rather large to not be noticed if it weren’t submerged in the actuarial normal death rate which is much, much higher (per Derek Lowe per a guy he trusts, 14,000 per two months per 10 million). But this 0.004% is not insane, not so large as to be out of the question, just a lot higher than normal or expected.

    But on the other side of the modeling you’re doing, let me add morbidity. Here’s a good start, per this study of people in the Veterans Health Administration, it’s significant. For those who avoid hospitalization (I think it was just that group), 30 day survivors had an elevated 8% chance of death in the next six months.

    Of those who required hospitalization compared to a matched cohort requiring it for the flu from before COVID-19, it was four times as bad. Lots of details in that paper about exactly what was found through tests etc. for morbidity, and I’m sure you’ve heard about at least some of this including “Long Covid,” although I’ve seen claims a fair amount of that is “post-bad virus sequela.” But COVID-19 isn’t exactly a normal virus, causes vascular disease in a lot of people, like blood clots of all sizes.

    The other factor is that, comorbidities or not, age or not, we really don’t know what picks out those who suffer or die from COVID-19 and those who don’t, there’s not a set of metrics to judge risks except in the most crude ways, no way to know ahead of time which of those who are for example 30-60, unvaccinated, and filling up my local region’s hospitals for some reason (and not many elders, for whom vaccine uptake in this very “hesitant” region was a lot higher).

    TL;DR: Except for morbidity you’re asking the right sorts of questions, and your modeling so far is not out to lunch. You’re thinking about this, and that’s commendable.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  399. Realist says:
    @Chris Moore

    While I agree that Jews are overrepresented in positions of wealth and power…I do not believe this applies to all Jews. And as I have stated so many times before…it is White gentiles that have allowed Jews the power they have. Any culpability that some Jews have is at the pleasure of White gentiles.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @Chris Moore
  400. Corvinus says:
    @RoatanBill

    “No gov’t has the right to tell me what to do if I haven’t caused harm to person or property. I don’t care what laws some clique of professional whores known as legislators declares to be law when it clearly impinges on my personal freedoms as a human being.”

    To the contrary, as a citizen of the U.S., you have the legal imperative by way of the social contract to observe the laws of the land. Of course, you have the liberty to other than adhere to them, but in doing so you will incur consequences. That is how our representative government operates. Our personal freedom is not absolute.

    “To give ‘expert’ status to the people in the medical profession is a huge error. There are no experts in the medical profession when it comes to something they’ve never seen before.”

    Now you are being absolutely silly here.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  401. @anon

    They are busy. But they are not “filled” as you claim. In fact, they may have a lot of ER visits by people who just want a COVID-19 test.

    Dial back on your panic, dude.

    If you have a broken leg in the ER and you have to wait to see a doctor then yes by definition they are full. You are having to wait for emergency care for an injury that would normally be seen right away.

    Have a look at their case curve before you do any more damage control for team denial:
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/florida-covid-cases.html

    You think it is going to drop by half tomorrow?

    They will be full by any measure within 48 hours. Get ready for beds in hallways with team denial telling us that everything is fine or that the videos are fake.

    • Replies: @anon
  402. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I tend to doubt that. Over 40% of American adults haven’t yet been vaccinated, and I’ve never heard of anyone being deplatformed for being “vaccine-hesitant.” … I’ll bet those Alt-Right leaders have all kept quiet because they got vaxxed months ago, and don’t want their followers to abandon them for RFK, Jr.

    As someone who holds a “vaccine-hesitant” position, I would like to think you are right. Unfortunately, with ultra polarization in today’s media, I doubt this is the case. It seems more likely that coming out as “vaccine-hesitant” would cause the notable individual to be savaged by both sides.

    In a very very rare agreement with geokat62, I think he is on the right track. Public figures have limited bandwidth to communicate. They prioritize the topics that are important to them. Those with interest in other areas, like immigration, have no compelling reason to waste a communication slot on a vaccine issue that is not in their area of focus.
    ___

    Another point to consider. Taking or refusing the experimental vaccine can be very personal. Key reasons why someone would take the shot even if they have reservations:
    — They have a health issue.
    — A member of their household is at risk.

    Notable figures have good reasons to keep their children’s health status out of the public domain. The best way to avoid being cornered into a disclosure is complete silence on the issue. If someone wants to volunteer their stance, that is good. Prying is potentially unwholesome when there are sound reasons not to go public.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @geokat62
  403. @Publius 2

    After 9/11, this type of average-brained Jew lawyer kept saying, “Nobody ever imagined a terrorist would fly a plane into a building!!!”

    If true, something tells me the “average-brained Jew lawyer” didn’t read Tom Clancy back in the day (although that novel was really, really awful).

  404. @RoatanBill

    Just looking at the different responses gov’ts have taken when listening to their chosen experts should be proof that these people don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. They are winging it. They are power hungry frauds.

    It’s stretching a point to say that all medical “experts” are power-hungry frauds. Surely some honestly believe they are protecting the public. But other reasons for deception make them just as dangerous. The first is, obviously, they must play their expected roles out of self-protection. No one who has worked for years to establish a good knowledge bank and a sound reputation in a medical field wants to blow it by resisting the party line. Vaccines, face diapers, quarantines, six feet of separation from other human beings … for many people these still have a magical aura and questioning them is to break the spell and win instant unpopularity.

    Moreover, tremendous political pressure shapes “expert” positions. Everyone in government believes they must be seen as doing something to overcome the virus. For them it’s not a matter of being correct or mistaken, it’s the necessary image of taking action. After all, they’re executives. They have to be executing plans. Here is where the power appetite raises its ugly head.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  405. The whole purpose of threatening and isolating people to take untested and dangerous injections is to

    DESTROY ALL NATURAL HERD IMMUNITY.

    There is far too much unfathomable hubris coming from the CoVid1984 cult, all to deflect what really is going on, ie, follow the money; recoil from the fear of discussion on CoVid1984 and censorship by the Media Industrial complex; observe the dereliction of democratic ascent in ANY “Western democracy”; observe the deliberate dichotomization of domestic populations; the DEMONIZATION of NATURAL HERD IMMUNITY!

    CoVid1984 IS a prank, a conspiracy (right in front of our eyes) orchestrated by the Global Borg, utilizing fear propaganda exploiting the fact that the vast majority do not even have a working knowledge of Epidemiology, Virology, Microbiology and Genetics. They then can be mis-educated as to what the outcomes of the combination of all these specialties. Even the highly educated have missed the deception.

    Also how can ANYBODY with a right mind, that has zero trust in the political framework of nay society they are in, come out and say, “The government is 100% right about this! This is a new plague!” After dis-informing the population on EVERY conceivable topic of importance: environment, economy, domestic history, geo-politics, global history… then believe the government that a ‘seasonal communicable illness’ deserves the ostensible “War Measures Panic Act”, and dispense with all that democratic process!?

    From the outset of this PRANK, when the masks were dictated as “do it or else”, I chose the “or else”! I told everyone I cared about all the items written above and told them that to mask is to acquiesce to increasing tyranny. Perhaps 1 in 20 got it. The main reason for giving in was FINANCIAL, with freedom to travel a close second. I have said in the beginning, “A public health concern does NOT have to impact the majority with hardship; it is to protect the vulnerable”. Now, with the Clot-shot, if people attempt to virtue signal their self-importance by getting jabbed, I now tell them,

    “You have chosen to prostitute your health sovereignty for the PROMISE of your lifestyle going back to normal! If you are willing to do that to yourself and/or your kids you have ceased to be a member of our society that I can trust. You have become nothing more than an indentured slave.”

  406. @That Would Be Telling

    That would be 7,700 people in the US as of today’s CDC vaccination report, or 40 out of a million, which sounds rather large to not be noticed if it weren’t submerged in the actuarial normal death rate which is much, much higher (per Derek Lowe per a guy he trusts, 14,000 per two months per 10 million). But this 0.004% is not insane, not so large as to be out of the question, just a lot higher than normal or expected.

    It’s mostly among the elderly which makes it a gray area. They are reported fatalities which doesn’t actually tell us if the vaccine was the cause.

    Even if you compare it to the flu shot that still doesn’t tell us everything.

    You would have to break both down by age bracket to get a sense of comparison.

    And even then you could have some selection bias

  407. Five hundred thousand more US deaths in 2020 than 2019 according to CDC statistics? Firstly CDC ‘s statistics are worthless as tits on a boar. Secondly, even if there were more deaths, there are other factors than the renamed flu, like locking millions of nursing home residents in their rooms, denying them access to their freiends, their families and their normally scheduled health care. Soon after this farce started we learned that pneumonia deaths were counted as Covid deaths. Unless you’re shot in the face or hit by train, you’re almost certain to die of pneumonia. It’s always there and when you get weak enough you die of pneumonia. If you value your life don’t get that shot.

  408. The Salk Institute designated the spike protein as a pathogen . . “Exposure to this pseudovirus resulted in damage to the lungs and arteries of an animal model . .

    Look, I read the news release from Salk, and in the very first paragraph, it states . .

    Now, a major new study shows that the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines) also play a key role in the disease itself.

    https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/

    . . so your insinuation that the vaccine acts like the virus is not supported (in fact, is clearly denied) by this article.

  409. geokat62 says:
    @A123

    In a very very rare agreement with geokat62…

    Although I’m glad you prefaced your statement with this qualifier, next time you choose to indicate you’re in agreement with my view, could you please add at least two more “very verys” in front of “rare agreement”?

    I have a reputation to maintain here on Unz, lol

    • LOL: A123
  410. @RudyM

    Hey, that is not very nice. He has done a service to the people by hosting this excellent website and the archive of old periodicals.

    • Replies: @Raches
  411. @Tom Verso

    Ron Unz and far too many other people are pretending they do not perceive the pack of pachyderm in the parlor:

    WHY ACCORD ANY CREDIBILITY TO CDC DATA?

  412. @Mevashir

    they considered me mentally unbalanced

    Absolutely shocking.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  413. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Johnson

    If you have a broken leg in the ER and you have to wait to see a doctor then yes by definition they are full.

    First, moving the goalposts is not impressive. Really, you need to dial back on your panic.

    Second, a relative broke an arm years ago on Super Bowl Sunday. The local ER’s were very busy, so we wound up taking that person to an urgent care. Did it therefore follow that “the hospitals were full” that day? Of course not, no sane person would make such a claim.

    Again, read your own link.

    UPDATE: A Baptist Health Jacksonville spokesperson gave Action News Jax new information, saying they are NOT at maximum capacity, but to still expect long wait times if you are coming in for a non-emergency.

    A logical, rational, professional statement. You should try emulating BHJ.

    They will be full by any measure within 48 hours. Get ready for beds in hallways with team denial telling us that everything is fine or that the videos are fake.

    Or perhaps get ready for more fear porn from trolls like you.

    You’ve been trolling with this “the hospitals are full!” fake news for a few weeks now. Maybe try something else for a while?

    • Agree: Theophrastus
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  414. Barnard says:
    @Ron Unz

    Alex Berenson is on his second suspension from Twitter, this one for a week for a tweet that included CDC data. He has already said he expects to get banned. British author Simon Webb has been suspended from YouTube twice for simply asking common sense questions about the Covid narrative. They both have much more mainstream acceptance than Jared Taylor or anyone else you mentioned. Ramzpaul won’t even post Covid videos to YouTube anymore because he knows they will get deleted, so he puts them on Rumble. Just because RFK Jr. hasn’t been banned yet, doesn’t mean no one has been.

    I don’t care whether or not any of these people have taken the vaccine, they aren’t trying to force it on anyone. John Derbyshire is on record saying he took it, I can’t see where it has negatively impacted him with his regular readers at all. Gregory Hood/James Kirkpatrick writes for both AmRen and VDare has a column where he said, “I think COVID-19 is dangerous” you posted it here as a featured column. Yes, if they focused on peddling Covid fear porn all the time, readers of AmRen and VDare would abandon them, as that is not why they are going to those websites. Simply saying, “I took the vaccine” and continuing to focus on their usual issues isn’t going to drive the overwhelming majority of them away.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  415. @Thim

    There has to be a name for this defect. If there is, it escapes me.

    File-phile. Or calculato-phile? – These then ‘d be no defects but rather conditions.

  416. @Corvinus

    I’ve observed, from your commenting history, that you are a statist from my perspective. So, you not agreeing with me is no surprise.

    I just hope that someday, the gov’t decides to mandate video cameras in every bedroom under the guise of trying to eliminate spousal sexual abuse. I expect you will vigorously support that proposal.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  417. @Mevashir

    Cowboys in the ol’ West used to talk, hopefully, about dying with their boots on.

  418. the raven says:

    If you wanted to give Mr. Unz the benefit of the doubt, you could observe that his oft-cited method of close-reading several national newspapers is likely to have undergone a phase-shift starting around 2016, in terms of its effectiveness in understanding the world. As Sailer often observed, a typical JYT article in the recent past would tell you the truth in paragraph #17, when most people would no longer be paying attention after having read the intentionally-misleading but not-technically-inaccurate lede. As I understand the Jews’ paper of record has since abandoned any pretense of truthfulness (cf the Russia Hoax). So maybe the ground shifted under Unz’s feet, although I don’t see how he could have failed to notice.

    With that said, the recitation of Muh 6 Gorillion Dead Americans, without any context, might be the worst of the rhetorical tics of liberal shills. One highly salient fact — that the average age of the dead is higher than life expectancy — would completely invert the the meaning of the original number presented. Another one — that deaths have been laundered as “Covid deaths”, via financial incentives to hospitals, false-positive PCR tests or no-test diagnosis, the mysterious disappearance of the flu — would strongly suggest this once-in-a-lifetime deadly pandemic, which somehow justifies unprecedented and wholesale stripping of ancient freedoms, is in fact literally nothing or statistically undetectable.

    All these simple facts are readily available, although scrupulously avoided by Virus Regime and its shills, and I’m sure an informed individual like Mr. Unz is aware of them, despite his devotion to shill sources of information. All that’s really needed to detect the hoax is to hold two pieces of information in your head at the same time, and notice the dissonance. I’m sure Mr. Unz is capable of this, too. So what gives?

    Maybe, like some others, this great skeptic and debunker of conventional wisdom suddenly and inexplicably became credulous and incurious in the face of a global totalitarian coup that threatens to reduce 7 billion people (of the ones it doesn’t kill first) to chattel slavery.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  419. Jdoc477 says:

    NYC hospitals were never close to being over run. Matter of fact areas around the supposedly most over run hospital in queens was a complete ghost town and NO sirens going off nonstop as heard on all normal days in queens. Inside tick tock dancing whores and homos and multitudes of ventilators not being used. Remember the empty 3k bed hospital ship. Lmfao at anyone who fell for this Hoax.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  420. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Ron says:

    You’ll notice that the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000.

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that America had been struck by a dangerous disease epidemic that year.

    And

    A disease that has already killed so many hundreds of thousands of Americans seems like a very serious problem to me.

    Yes, America has been struck by a dangerous disease, but for whom was Covid dangerous?

    This headline from Forbes Magazine provides the answer:

    The Most Important Coronavirus Statistic: 42% Of U.S. Deaths Are From 0.6% Of The Population

    So back to the question of why those in categories of low or extremely low vulnerability to Covid, for example young adults and children, and those of any age who have recovered from Covid and thus possess robust and durable natural Covid immunity, should be compelled to bear the risk of injection with an experimental concoction of unproved effectiveness as a vaccine, that is known to entail a significant risk of injury or death?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  421. @Etruscan Film Star

    You lay out an excellent case for why they are frauds. These ‘experts’ are more inclined to go with the gov’t flow than to make sound medical decisions.

    Those that have spoken out against all this lockdown nonsense have been marginalized so I understand why some prefer to not speak out for personal reasons. To overtly recommend measures that have no empirical evidence supporting their use and to champion injections that haven’t gone through the time tested route for approval puts these frauds into a special category. They are purposely pushing for things that violate the hippocratic oath. They are using their status as doctors to defraud the public by recommending things that are dubious at best and criminal at worst.

  422. Iris says:
    @Schuetze

    Can you tell us what treatment he took during the two weeks before he went into the hospital?

    He wasn’t living in France. In his country of residence, AZT (azithromycin) and HCQ (hydro-chloroquine) are widely used for Covid, and Covid19 patients are treated by doctors from the earliest signs.

    They knew straightway he had Covid19, because he caught it from visiting an older relative who died from it too. So yes, he was prescribed some HCQ and was treated from an early stage, and so did his wife whom he had contaminated too.
    But I understood that HCQ is not so popular anymore for prolonged Covid cases, for which it was found to have reduced efficiency, and his doctor later switched to antibiotics.

    The treatment taken at home greatly helped him at first. His children privately procured a 5 litres-oxygen extractor to support his breathing; his blood oxygen level was hourly monitored by a daughter.
    His overall condition improved, but he then became restless. Against his doctor advice, he started taking walks in the private woodland around their house. Perhaps as a consequence, his daughter found that his blood oxygen level had suddenly dropped to 40%, and he was immediately taken to hospital, took a lung CT scan that proved fine, and was helped to breath with a larger oxygen extractor. His condition improved immediately and he’d been stable and well for about a week.

    On Saturday evening, his blood oxygen level dropped so suddenly that the doctors thought he’d had respiratory embolism. He was rushed to have a new lung CT scan, and they found out that he had, within just a few hours, lost about 90% of his lung capacity.
    He was put under non-invasive ventilation to help him breath, but passed away after about 12 hours.

    It is possible that his very sudden death was caused by the much-talked about cytokine storm, often associated with Covid19. The doctors are too overwhelmed to explain. His body was neither autopsied nor returned to the family, but immediately put in a sealed coffin by the hospital authorities.

    • Thanks: Schuetze
  423. Stealth says:

    Those are enormous numbers, much larger than the combined death toll of all our foreign wars,…

    May we please dispense with this apples to oranges motor oil comparison? Why on earth would you use that particular figure as a benchmark for how deep in shit we are because of Covid? I don’t see the connection whatsoever. War is bad, Covid is bad. Covid kills, war kills. That’s pretty much all those two things have in common.

    If Covid is such a catastrophe on that basis alone, then it stands in good – and more impressive – company, even if it’s worked fast and hasn’t burned itself out yet. How many preventable deaths have there been from tobacco related lung cancer in the last twenty years alone?

    • Replies: @Stealth
  424. @Realist

    While I agree that Jews are overrepresented in positions of wealth and power…I do not believe this applies to all Jews. And as I have stated so many times before…it is White gentiles that have allowed Jews the power they have. Any culpability that some Jews have is at the pleasure of White gentiles.

    Anyone that has been around really wealthy Anglos knows that it doesn’t matter anyways when:

    1. Wealthy Anglos hate you and don’t care about the Jews
    2. Are annoyed that you are using your brain and not working or buying stuff/watching tv
    3. Want to replace you with a third worlder that won’t talk about Jews, globalism or anything for that matter and will buy stuff and watch tv when they are not working

    The Jew haters here really have no idea as to how much the 1% looks down on all of us. The best explanation I have heard is that the 1% is deeply insulted that their offspring has to compete against the White children of commoners and potentially lose. That is the better explanation of why so many Anglo billionaires support open borders and third world race denial.

    When I was in the city I rubbed elbows with someone worth around 100 million. If you tried to look him in the eyes he would look around you. Some guy that got into a tech company early as a manager and decided he was a god. He had his kids in some local organizations and didn’t donate a penny. He wouldn’t even speak to the other kids but the Jew haters here seem to think he is on “our side” by not being Jewish. Right.

    • Agree: JackOH
    • Thanks: Realist
  425. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,
    I think you are incorrect here.
    Age adjusted covid death rates for FL are lower than CA.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Reroot_Flyover/status/1421578030254788612
    I think that in average, age and race adjusted death rates are much lower in red states than blue states.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  426. Wade says:
    @Anon

    I seriously doubt the AMA’s facts. They cannot know except through surveys how many of their members took the vaccine. People could easily lie about it. There’s immense pressure being put on non-independent doctors to vaccinate everyone in sight. The first time we spoke with our family doctor after the vaccines became available, we were intending to ask him about the possibility of prescribing HCQ and Ivermectin so we could put the vaccine on hold. But the first thing out of his mouth as he entered the room (so uncharacteristic of him) was to give us this memorized spiel about how great the vaccines are and how we both need to take it, stat! It was obvious to my wife and I that his clinic told them they have to do this. He dropped the subject after that though and has never brought it up again on subsequent visits.

    My mother also uses the same doctor and she got it out of him: He only got the vax because he was told he had to do it by his employer. He told her he’s refusing to give it to his son though and even said he didn’t blame me or my wife for refusing. Now, outside of work, he’s organized a campaign to pressure the schools in our town to forbid asking students about their COVID vaccination status in class.

    There’s so much pressure being put on people. That AMA stat sounds like hearing after 911 about how everyone agrees that the twin towers could definitely have fallen without bombs (conveniently neglecting the fact of the 3rd tower not being hit by a plane). It’s science people! Professionals definitely want to stay and continue to advance in their professions. Speaking out controversially at a time like this can kill a career.

    There are non-conspiratorial dangers to taking the vaccines that are more than just hypothetical, namely ADE. ADE effects take a while to show up and there’s some evidence already that this could be happening with the Pfizer vaccine. We shall soon find out but with Fauci in charge, and with the drug companies financing the CDC’s operations and NIH studies, it will take some whistleblowers or an act of God for us to get it out of the CDC.

    Given Ron’s coverage of Vioxx, and other articles on this site about the oxycontin fiasco, there’s really no good reason to be insouciant about the vaccines on the basis of what the AMA says their doctors are thinking, especially since physicians typically know nothing about drug research. They have a HUGE normalcy bias, “normally the drugs I’m told to prescribe work really good and don’t harm my patients. Why would the vaccines be any different?” Well, there’s a reason we’ve never successfully brought a coronavirus vaccine to market: ADE! Some viruses are hard or impossible to inoculate against. Besides coronaviruses, there’s RSV, dengue fever, ebola, Zika and probably others I’m forgetting. If these vaccines work and are safe in the long run, this will be the first time *ever* for us to have a safe and effective coronavirus vaccine, all accomplished without animal and long-term safety trials!!

    My daughter’s pediatrician didn’t even know what ADE was. My brother’s a pharmacist giving COVID vaccine after vaccine with little to no trepidation or remorse. He too had no idea what ADE was until I explained it to him the other day. His response was, “you mean the vaccine could make a COVID infection worse and kill me?”

    A recent study published by New England Journal of Medicine found that for women vaccinated in their first trimester or second trimester found that 82% of them miscarried within a 20 week observation period. So, in their final calculation they added 700 women who had been vaccinated in their 3rd trimester –and therefore could not be observed for the full 20 weeks– and who did not miscarry, and calculated a much more reasonable sounding figure of only 10% – 12% some odd miscarriages. Maybe it was a bad study design but you’d think Tony Fauci and other’s would be more concerned about pregnant women than this.

    All Ron’s comments/calculations about the vaccines are limited to short-run observations. Time will tell.

    • Thanks: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Publius 2
    , @HbutnotG
  427. @Jdoc477

    NYC hospitals were never close to being over run. Matter of fact areas around the supposedly most over run hospital in queens was a complete ghost town and NO sirens going off nonstop as heard on all normal days in queens.

    So the videos with patients in the hallways are all fake? Is that what you are saying?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  428. MichaelG says:
    @BuelahMan

    That’s exactly the type of argument the MSM like to make when they dismiss people as “conspiracy theorists” Please explain in what way that what Ron Unz has said is Bullshit.

    • Replies: @BuelahMan
  429. Tom Verso says:
    @Liberty Mike

    WHY ACCORD ANY CREDIBILITY TO CDC DATA?

    Yes my point exactly.

    But, much more … there is not, so far as I can determine, a single Covid database that all analysts can access to determine the accuracy of the data or the methodology whereby the data was originally measured and recorded.

    And, I am absolutely sure Ron Unz knows and understands this.

  430. @anon

    You’ve been trolling with this “the hospitals are full!” fake news for a few weeks now. Maybe try something else for a while?

    I said previously that the hospitals are filled with the unvaccinated. That is what public health authorities are saying.
    In Austin, Texas, “Our ICU capacity is reaching a critical point where the level of risk to the entire community has significantly increased, and not just to those who are needing treatment for COVID,” Austin-Travis County Health Authority Dr. Desmar Walkes said in a statement.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/unvaccinated-covid-19-patients-are-filling-up-hospitals-putting-the-care-of-others-at-risk-doctors-say/ar-AAMNODk?ocid=uxbndlbing

    If you think it is all being exaggerated then tell me exactly what your definition of full is and if you think it will happen to Jacksonville hospitals.

    This is the same denial we saw with Italy and NYC and is what led Trump to lose the election. The Trump Tribe doubled down on “everything is fine” and moderates/independents weren’t buying it.

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mr. Anon
  431. Corvinus says:
    @RoatanBill

    “I’ve observed, from your commenting history, that you are a statist from my perspective.”

    More like the “people make laws through their officials, and there are consequences for not following them” type of guy.

    “I just hope that someday, the gov’t decides to mandate video cameras in every bedroom under the guise of trying to eliminate spousal sexual abuse. I expect you will vigorously support that proposal.”

    I would vehemently oppose that proposal, one that has no hope of even being presented at any level of government. Why are you spilling precious digital ink on something patently ill-fated?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  432. Stealth says:
    @Stealth

    I wrote,

    Why on earth would you use that particular figure as a benchmark for how deep in shit we are because of Covid?

    To answer my own question, I guess it’s to give people the impression that much like war, Covid is something humanity has done to itself – in the case of Covid, by not tightening the screws hard or fast enough. It’s a dishonest implication.

  433. @Johnny Rico

    It’s fairly obvious that all of the key institutions, departments, and agencies of the Federal government have been corrupted by politics. The corruption has always been there but it intensified and accelerated during the two terms of the Obama Administration. The Obama clique — Holder, Jarrett, Brennan, Plouffe, and others — continue to serve the the billionaire class that seeks to impose the Chinese model on the western European countries and North America. Don’t need extraordinary powers of perception to realize the bio-weapon and the vaccine are tools for the billionaire sociopaths.

  434. Anon62 says:
    @Cranberries

    The paper found at your link is deeply concerning – a long read but well worth it. I will not recapitulate all its findings of concern but do quote from the conclusion:

    CONCLUSION
    We have reviewed some, but not all, of those concerns here, and we want to emphasize that these concerns are potentially serious and might not be evident for years or even transgenerationally.

    Public policy around mass vaccination has generally proceeded on the assumption that the risk/benefit ratio for the novel mRNA vaccines is a “slam dunk.” With the massive vaccination campaign well under way in response to the declared international emergency of COVID-19, we have rushed into vaccine experiments on a world-wide scale. . .

    Finally, as an obvious but tragically ignored suggestion, the government should also be encouraging the population to take safe and affordable steps to boost their immune systems naturally, such as getting out in the sunlight to raise vitamin D levels (Ali, 2020), and eating mainly organic whole foods rather than chemical-laden processed foods (Rico-Campà et al., 2019). Also, eating foods that are good sources of vitamin A, vitamin C and vitamin K2 should be encouraged, as deficiencies in these vitamins are linked to bad outcomes from COVID-19 (Goddek, 2020; Sarohan, 2020).

    Thanks again for the link.
    Cheers!

  435. @Barnard

    Did Mr. Unz come up with this newest, 3A* argument in lieu of thinking critically about Establishment narratives or curing his repeatedly admitted ignorance about the Pfizer, etc., products because he dug into the seriousness of COVID with both heels?

    1. He has devoted much time and the cuttingly edgy reputation of this website to the provenance of the virus as a bio weapon.

    2. He’s stuck.

    He’s not changing anyone else’s mind in this thread, but he may be soothing his own.

    ———

    *Appeal to Alternative Authority

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  436. Corvinus says:
    @the raven

    “As I understand the Jews’ paper of record has since abandoned any pretense of truthfulness (cf the Russia Hoax). ”

    Increasingly, we are subject to falling prey to confirmation bias. People do it instinctively when confronted with attitude-inconsistent information. When someone attempts to inform them of their misconceptions, rather than take it under advisement, it “backfires”, which in effect makes them less skeptical of what they believe in, since obviously the other side is rife with their own false impressions. Thus, one continues to see their own position as “true and proper”. Of course, the argument stems from what is and what is not a misconception, whether it be “race realism” or “white privilege”, which ends up being a feedback loop.

    It is virtually impossible to argue with those people who cling on this “Fake News” or “The Media Always Lies” meme. Any fact brought brought into an argument, they immediately attack the SOURCE, rather than the substance. Thus, it is easy to deny there is ANY evidence at all. This phenomenon has been brewing for a long time (thanks, Trump :)), and it has reached a critical mass at our point in world history. Unfortunately, this leads more people to become ignorant by facilitating echo chambers. So the mentality of “Fake News/The Media Always Lies” is EXACTLY THE SAME as those who spout off how “Jewish run media conglomerates control the narrative” since a person filters anything that dares to disrupt their world view.

    There is an HbD inspired explanation for being duped. We as a species have this impulsive cognition-–the seat of emotion, of sense of self, of phobias, and of herding behavior. The limbic system of the brain has its neurons fire faster and with greater amplitude than in the cerebral cortex, so it literally drowns out rational mindedness. There are a myriad of examples that this snap-decision system is controlling what we think.

    Belief comes first, with our biases are held in the brain immediately above the brainstem, and they are the central control room for everything coming into the brain. Nothing will pass these filters, so it is virtually essentially impossible to “change someone’s mind” via persuasion. A person’s filters have to fall first. Otherwise, they will simply go into shoot the messenger mode when, for example, WaPO and NYT are used as sources. There was an emotional hypostasis to it that TRIGGERED in their brain an endorphin rush of self-righteousness.

    As a counter, here is the advice of Ron Unz…

    I apply the same historical methods I did in my academic journal articles back in the 1980’s. You analyze the likely reliability of the raw information presented, look for confirming or refuting evidence, and then draw your own plausible conclusions…On a more serious note, many of my articles very heavily cite various MSM sources, so why would I do that if I believed they were always lying?”

    Hopefully, you will become more self-reflective, rather than make such foolish comments like “in the face of a global totalitarian coup that threatens to reduce 7 billion people (of the ones it doesn’t kill first) to chattel slavery”.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
    , @Getaclue
  437. I’m an anti-vaxx crackpot and proud of it.

  438. @Ron Unz

    I don’t fit into any of those categories set out above,

    It is a good point though,

    I still think Mr Unz is taking the piss here,

    It’s not that I am horrified at his take on the lethality of the virus or the vaccine rollout or what he himself describes as his ‘mainstream’ views,

    He just seems to have lost his critical faculties,

    The MSM have been telling the truth from the get-go,

    Seriously?

  439. @Corvinus

    By giving ‘officials’ your support, you are responsible for all the idiotic laws on the books and any future laws these asshats invent.

    I, on the other hand, have absolutely no use for those cretins because they are all totalitarians in the final analysis.

    When the gov’t becomes rule by executive order, proxy rule by medical Nazis (Vehr ahr yo paypas), rule by the banking cabal, rule by a military industrial complex, etc, etc, etc, then I have absolutely no moral obligation to obey any of their laws. I obey the laws I agree with and that amounts to the non-aggression principle.

  440. @John Johnson

    “Is that what you’re saying?”

    Corporate media has never been used to alter perception. Is that what you’re saying?

    • Agree: Theophrastus