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Edward Curtin wrote four years ago on Counter-Currents:

perhaps no one epitomized the twisted mind games played by intelligence agencies more than James Jesus Angleton, the notorious CIA Counterintelligence Chief for so many years, in whose safe were found gruesome photos of Robert Kennedy’s autopsy. Why, one may ask, were those photos there, since Angleton allegedly had no connection to the RFK killing and since Sirhan was said to be the assassin? Was Angleton’s work as CIA liaison with Israel in any way connected?

If you ask me, I strongly suspect it was. Angleton had been the Mossad’s indispensable ally in John Kennedy’s assassination. So he had personal reasons to cooperate with them again in stopping Robert Kennedy from reaching the White House, a position from which, according to multiple testimonies, Robert intended to track his brother’s assassins.[1]This has been shown conclusively by David Talbot in Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, Simon & Schuster, 2007.

I summarized the case against Ben-Gurion’s Israel in the assassinations of both Kennedy brothers in this article, which still turns up regularly among The Unz Review’s “Past classics”. Here I’ll try to show that an inquiry into Angleton’s “wilderness of mirrors” makes the case even stronger.

The “World War III” Virus

Angleton’s name often comes up in books incriminating the CIA in the 1963 Dallas coup, because he is believed to have engineered the staged visits and telephone calls by an Oswald impersonator to both the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City in late September and early October 1963. Over the phone, this bogus “Oswald” referred to an arrangement with Vladimir Kostikov, who was known to the FBI as the officer in charge of assassinations in the United States. These visits and calls were, of course, monitored by the local CIA cell, and would constitute, after November 22, evidence of a Cuban-Soviet conspiracy.

According to the most natural and common interpretation, the purpose of staging Oswald as a communist conspirator was to blame the Dallas shooting on Cuba and/or the Soviet Union — a classic false flag scenario. Besides getting rid of Kennedy, the theory goes, the motive was to create a pretext for invading Cuba, something that Kennedy had forbidden after the Bay of Pigs debacle and the firing of Allen Dulles. That has become the dominant JFK conspiracy theory, best articulated recently by James Douglass. But it has one major flaw: there was no invasion of Cuba following Kennedy’s assassination. How can that be explained?

And why did Johnson, Hoover and the Warren Commission quickly suppress the “rumors” of Oswald’s communist profile (already hitting the news on November 23, e.g. the morning front-page of the Washington Post titled, “Pro-Castro Fort Worth Marxist Charged in Kennedy’s Assassination”[2]Jefferson Morley, Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA, University Press of Kansas, 2008, p. 207.), to replace it with his “lone nut” profile? James Douglass’s explanation is that Johnson thwarted the plot hatched by the CIA and Pentagon hawks, thus saving us from World War III. “To Johnson’s credit, he refused to let the Soviets take the blame for Kennedy’s murder; to his discredit, he decided not to confront the CIA over what it had done in Mexico City. Thus, while the secondary purpose of the assassination plot was stymied, its primary purpose was achieved.”[3]James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008, p. 232. The problem with this theory is its internal contradiction, since it also affirms that the reason Kennedy was assassinated was that he refused to start World War III: therefore, starting the war was supposedly the primary — not the secondary — purpose of the whole plot.

The alternative explanation is that Oswald’s profile as a Communist assassin was crafted by the conspirators, not for the purpose of starting a war against Cuba and Russia, but for allowing Johnson to bully Federal and State administrations, and even the news community, into closing the investigation quickly, lest the discovery of Cuba and Russia’s responsibility force the U.S. into a global nuclear war “that would kill 40 million Americans in an hour,” as Johnson kept repeating to everyone from Dallas to Washington. To convince Senator Richard Russell to sit in the Warren Commission, for example, Johnson told him in a taped phone conversation: “we’ve go to take this out of the arena where they’re testifying that Khrushchev and Castro did this and did that and kicking us into a war that can kill forty million Americans in an hour…”[4]Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 82.

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Besides allowing Johnson to shut down Police investigations and secretly task the Warren Commission with the goal of “rebutting thought that this was a Communist conspiracy” (as recommended by Deputy Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach’s November 25 memo[5]Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pp. 82-83.), the threat of nuclear war kept the American people satisfied that, if they were being lied to — as many felt they were — it was for their own good. And so the lie about Kennedy’s assassination was two-sided: on one side was the Cuban-Soviet conspiracy, and on the other was the lone assassin. Both sides of the lie had to be maintained over the years, the Soviet conspiracy remaining in the background in order to keep the Warren Commission’s conclusion, if not credible, at least justifiable. That is why, in a September 1969 filmed interview (broadcast on CBS on April 24, 1975), Johnson could calmly declare that “there might have been international connections,” but that the Warren Commission did a fine job anyway.[6]“LBJ speaks on a conspiracy in JFK murder,” on YouTube.

Like most JFK researchers, John Newman, a retired U.S. Army major and Political Science professor and the author of Oswald and the CIA, believes that long before Kennedy’s trip to Dallas, Oswald was maneuvered and his activities “carefully monitored, controlled, and, if necessary, embellished and choreographed,” so that, “on 22 November, Oswald’s CIA files would establish his connection to Castro and the Kremlin.” However, in an epilogue added in 2008 to his book (which Ron Unz has already referred to here and here), Newman reasons that the real purpose of setting up Oswald as a Communist was not to start World War III, but to create a “World War III virus”, used by Johnson as a “national security” pretext to shut all investigations and intimidate the corporate media. “It is now apparent that the World War III pretext for a national security cover-up was built into the fabric of the plot to assassinate President Kennedy.”[7]John M. Newman, Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth About the Unknown Relationship Between the U.S. Government and the Alleged Killer of JFK, Skyhorse, 2008, pp. 613-637. Excerpts on spartacus-educational.com

After reviewing the steps taken to design this plot, Newman concludes: “In my view, there is only one person whose hands fit into these gloves: James Jesus Angleton, Chief of CIA’s Counterintelligence Staff.”

No one else in the Agency had the access, the authority, and the diabolically ingenious mind to manage this sophisticated plot. No one else had the means necessary to plant the WWIII virus in Oswald’s files and keep it dormant for six weeks until the president’s assassination. Whoever those who were ultimately responsible for the decision to kill Kennedy were, their reach extended into the national intelligence apparatus to such a degree that they could call upon a person who knew its inner secrets and workings so well that he could design a failsafe mechanism into the fabric of the plot. The only person who could ensure a national security cover-up of an apparent counterintelligence nightmare was the head of counterintelligence [Angleton].[8]Newman, Oswald and the CIA, pp. 636-637 (on spartacus-educational.com)

As a matter of fact, no one pushed more for incriminating the KGB than Angleton. Michael Collins Piper, who wrote much about Angleton in his groundbreaking Final Judgment, showed that Angleton went to great length to discredit, imprison and torture Russian Soviet defector Yuri Nosenko. who in 1964 claimed insistently that the KGB had decided against trying to use Oswald in any way during his sojourn in Russia, and that the KGB had nothing to do with Kennedy’s assassination. Angleton was also the main source for Edward Jay Epstein’s book, Legend: The Secret World of Lee Harvey Oswald (published in 1978), which laid the blame on the KGB.[9]Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy, American Free Press, 6th ed., 2005, pp. 166-169.

Angleton and Counterintelligence

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Angleton was appointed head of the Counterintelligence Staff by CIA Director Allen Dulles in 1954, a position he kept for twenty years. According to Tom Mangold, author of Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA’s Master Spy Hunter (Simon & Schuster, 1991): “Angleton’s longstanding friendships with Dulles and Helms were to become the most important factor in giving him freedom of movement within the CIA. He was extended such trust by his superiors that there was often a significant failure of executive control over his activities.”[10]Tom Mangold, Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA’s Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 52.

After Kennedy fired Dulles and his two Deputy Directors Richard Bissel and Charles Cabell in autumn 1961, Angleton was shielded by new Deputy Director Richard Helms, who had survived the purge and would end up as head of the CIA. In 1962, as the CIA moved into its new headquarters in Langley, Angleton’s Counterintelligence Staff had nearly two hundred people.[11]Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 55.

As one colleague and friend said, “Jim’s central dominating obsession was communism, something that for him was the essence of absolute and profound evil. For him nothing else really mattered, but he would use anyone and anything to combat it.”[12]Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, HarperCollins, 1991, p. 43. The most secret component of Angleton’s empire was the Special Investigation Group (SIG), tasked with exploring the possibility that the CIA was infiltrated by the KGB. “The SIG was so secret that many members of the Counterintelligence Staff didn’t even know it existed,” writes Mangold, “and nearly everyone was denied access to it. . . . Secret units within a secret unit were a hallmark of Angleton, the SIG, and the Counterintelligence Staff.”[13]Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 57.

The tragicomic story of Angleton’s “mole hunt” is told in detail by Tom Mangold. It involves a megalomaniac KGB defector named Anatoly Golitsyn, who, responding to Angleton’s paranoia, convinced him that the KGB had infiltrated the CIA through a high-level source code-named “Sacha”, and that all other defectors after him would be phony. Angleton’s quest for Sacha would last seven years. About 40 senior Agency officers were put on the suspect list and many had their careers ruined, while at least 22 genuine defectors were turned away. No real KGB spy was ever caught by Angleton. Meanwhile, the British Soviet agent Kim Philby remained Angleton’s most trusted friend until being unmasked in 1963, and one Counterintelligence agent, Clare Edward Petty, ended up believing “Sacha” must be Angleton himself.[14]Jefferson Morley, The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton, St. Martin’s Press, 2017, p. 229. This fiasco is the subject of David C. Martin’s book Wilderness of Mirrors (2018).[15]David C. Martin, Wilderness of Mirrors: Intrigue, Deception, and the Secrets that Destroyed Two of the Cold War’s Most Important Agents, Skyhorse, 2018. As Los Angeles Times journalist David Wise writes: “In the end, Angleton never found a mole. But he did more harm to the CIA than even the most talented mole could ever have accomplished.”[16]David Wise, “The Spookiest of the CIA’s Spooks,” Los Angeles Times, December 24, 2006, on www.latimes.com.

When William Colby, from the Soviet Division, became Director of the CIA, he looked for a pretext to sack Angleton, and fired him in December 1974 after the disclosure by Seymour Hersh in the New York Times of two dubious domestic operations that his Counterintelligence Staff had been conducting in violation of the CIA’s charter: intercepting mail sent between the United States and the Soviet Union(Program HT/LINGUAL)and spying on American antiwar protestors (Operation CHAOS).

When George Kalaris, who replaced Angleton, directed an investigation into Angleton’s files, his team located over 40 vaults that had to be drilled open. It took three years to sort, destroy or classify the discovered materials, which had never been archived into the CIA’s central filing system. And it took CIA officer Cleveland Cram six years to write a report in 12 legal-sized volumes on the activities of the Counterintelligence Staff from 1954 to 1974.[17]Jefferson Morley, “Wilderness of Mirrors: Documents Reveal the Complex “Legacy of James Angleton, CIA Counterintelligence Chief and Godfather of Mass Surveillance”, January 1, 2018, The Intercept, on theintercept.com/

The most important conclusion is that Angleton’s Counterintelligence, which was involved in the preparation for JFK’s assassination, was not the CIA, but rather a “second CIA within the CIA” (as Peter Dale Scott put it), sealed from scrutiny and accountable to no one, yet supported by almost unlimited budget.[18]Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, University of California Press, 1993, p. 54, quoted in Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment, 6th ed., 2005, p. 63. During Kennedy’s presidency, John McCone, an outsider, of course had no idea what Angleton was doing or not doing, and Richard Helms, his Deputy, let him do as he pleased.

But this Counterintelligence disaster is only half of Angleton’s story. There is another half, rarely told. Tom Mangold only refers to it in an endnote:

I would like to place on the record, however, that Angleton’s professional friends overseas, then and subsequently, came from the Mossad (the Israeli intelligence-gathering service) and that he was held in immense esteem by his Israeli colleagues and by the state of Israel, which was to award him profound honors after his death.[19]Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 362.

To be fair, Mangold also writes: “Angleton’s ties with the Israelis gave him considerable prestige within the CIA and later added significantly to his expanding counterintelligence empire,” while stirring “the utter fury of the division’s separate Arab desks.”[20]Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 49. But that’s all we’ll learn from Mangold about the Mossad-side of Angleton. To know more about it, we must turn to Jefferson Morley’s more recent and thorough investigation, The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton (St. Martin’s Press, 2017). We will learn that Angleton was less “out of control” than we think — only the people who controlled him were not those who were supposed to.

Angleton and Mossad

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When Angleton became chief of Counterintelligence in 1954, he had already been occupying, since early 1951, the CIA’s Israeli Desk, or Israeli Account, as it was called. And he had exclusive authority on the CIA station in Tel Aviv. The Israeli Desk was created for Angleton after the visit of Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to the United States in May 1951. Besides launching a drive to raise \$1 billion from the sale of Israel Bonds,[21]Cockburn and Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 41. the purpose of Ben-Gurion’s visit was to establish collaboration between U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies. Israel’s population of immigrants from the U.S.S.R. and Eastern Europe made the country a privileged source of information about what was going on behind the Iron Curtain. In exchange for this service, Israel wanted strategic, economic and military support against their enemy Nasser, whom they did their utmost to push into the Soviet camp. Here is Morley’s account of the background for that turning point in U.S.-Israel relationship:

In 1950, Reuven Shiloah, the founder of Israel’s first intelligence organization, visited Washington and came away impressed by the CIA. In April 1951, he reorganized the fractious Israeli security forces to create a new foreign intelligence agency, called the Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks, inevitably known as the Mossad, the Hebrew word for “institute.” In 1951, Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion came to the United States and brought Shiloah with him. Ben-Gurion met privately with President Truman and Walter Bedell Smith [director of CIA]. Angleton arranged for Ben-Gurion to lunch with Allen Dulles [Deputy Director for Plans] . . . Shiloah stayed on in Washington to work out the arrangements with Angleton. The resulting agreement laid the foundation for the exchange of secret information between the two services and committed them to report to each other on subjects of mutual interest. Shiloah, according to his biographer [Haggai Eshed], soon developed “a special relationship” with Angleton, who became the CIA’s exclusive liaison with the Mossad. Angleton returned the favor by visiting Israel. Shiloah introduced him to Amos Manor, chief of counterespionage for Israel’s domestic intelligence agency [1953-1963], known as Shabak or Shin Bet.[22]Morley, The Ghost, 55

For almost 25 years, Angleton was the CIA’s exclusive liaison with Israeli intelligence. In this capacity, recalled one of his friends interviewed by Andrew and Leslie Cockburn for their book Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, “he was getting the benefit of Israeli networks and connections all over the place, not just in the Communist bloc.”[23]Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 43.

Angleton’s special channel to the Mossad brought little profit to the U.S. in terms of intelligence. In October 1956, no warning came from Angleton about the Israelis’ plan to invade Egypt. As rumors of war were reaching the State Department, Robert Amory, head of the CIA Directorate of Intelligence, called an emergency meeting on October 26. After he presented Allen Dulles with evidence that the Israelis “were mobilizing to attack someone — Egypt,” Angleton contradicted him saying, “I can discount what Amory is saying. I spent last night with our friends and they have assured me that they are just carrying out protective measures against the Jordanians.” Amory got mad and said to Dulles: “The taxpayer lays out \$16,000 a year to me as your deputy director for me to give you the best intelligence available. Either you believe me or you believe this co-opted Israeli agent here [pointing to Angleton].”[24]Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 65; Morley, The Ghost, p. 78. Within days, Israel had invaded Egypt’s Sinai.

James Jesus Angleton made his first visit to Israel in October 1951. “By the mid-1950s,” Morley writes, “Angleton liked nothing better than to leave the cramped office politics of Washington for the austere frontier of the Holy Land. On his visits, Angleton stayed in Ramat Gan, on the suburban coastal plain north of Tel Aviv, the home to many Israeli intelligence officers and diplomats.”

“He used to come from time to time, to meet the head of Mossad, to get briefings,” recalls Efraim Halevy, who served as the Mossad’s liaison officer to the CIA station in Tel Aviv in the early 1960s. Halevy escorted Angleton on his rounds and recorded his meetings with Israeli officials. “He used to meet with David Ben-Gurion, whom he knew for many years,” Halevy recalled. “Ben-Gurion ultimately left office [in 1963] and Angleton went down to Sde Boker [Ben-Gurion’s home in the Negev] to meet him. I didn’t attend those meetings. Those were just the two of them. He had business to transact.”[25]Morley, The Ghost, p. 171.

Angleton knew at least six of the men closest to Ben-Gurion and privy to his secrets. Besides Efraim Halevy (on the right in the top picture), he befriended Isser Harel, founder of the Shin Bet and chief of the Mossad from 1951 (“Jim had enormous admiration for Isser,” said Halevy). Angleton also enjoyed the lifetime friendship of Amos Manor, director of Shin Bet from 1953 to 1963, of Teddy Kollek, who later became mayor of Jerusalem, and of Meir Amit, head of Mossad from 1963 to 1968. When Halevy accompanied Yitzhak Rabin for his ambassadorship to Washington (1968-1973), Angleton met him as often as five times a week, and had monthly lunches with Rabin, Halevy recalled. Angleton’s friends were among the builders of the Zionist state, and Angleton was the only American authorized to talk to them.[26]Morley, The Ghost, pp. 174, 73; Jefferson Morley, “Wilderness of Mirrors.”

This, coupled with his infatuation with Zionism, gave Angleton a great influence on Washington’s Israeli policy. According to Morley, “he was a leading architect of America’s strategic relationship with Israel that endures and dominates the region to this day.”[27]Morley, The Ghost, p. 262. “Angleton’s influence on U.S.-Israeli relations between 1951 and 1974 exceeded that of any secretary of state, with the possible exception of Henry Kissinger. His influence was largely unseen by Congress, the press, other democratic institutions, and much of the CIA itself.”[28]Jefferson Morley, “CIA and Mossad: Tradeoffs in the Formation of the U.S.-Israel Strategic Relationship,” conf for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, 2018 May, on www.wrmea.org/

Speaking of Kissinger, Michael Piper mentions, quoting Deborah Davis’s biography of Katharine Graham, that Kissinger actually moved Angleton’s Israeli desk into the White House, and that both men worked very closely. In one of the most interesting appendixes added to his 1998 edition of Final Judgment, Piper argues that Angleton was the mastermind of the Watergate dirty trick that caused Nixon’s fall, using his longtime ally Ben Bradlee, then Washington Post editor. According to Piper, Watergate was “a joint CIA-Mossad operation—orchestrated by James Angleton—for the purpose of removing Nixon from the presidency.” Nixon had to be removed because, like Kennedy before him, he had become a threat to Israel’s survival.[29]Piper, Final Judgment, 6th ed., 2005, pp. 461-478.

Dimona and the Stolen Uranium

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Naturally, Angleton’s influence on U.S.-Israeli relationship touched upon the sensitive question of Israel’s military nuclear ambition. Morley again:

In Washington, he and Cicely [Angleton’s wife] had spent many evenings with Memi de Shalit, a Lithuanian-born military intelligence officer stationed in the Israeli embassy. Angleton “adored” de Shalit and his wife, Ada, said Efraim Halevy. The de Shalits moved back to Israel in the 1950s, but the friendship continued, and it brought Angleton into the circle of other knowledgeable Israelis. Amos de Shalit, Memi’s brother, was a professor of nuclear physics at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Tel Aviv. He would be a major contributor to the Israeli nuclear program.[30]Morley, The Ghost, p. 174.

According to Seymour Hersh, “Angleton’s close personal ties with the DeShalit family and others in Israel made it inevitable that he would learn about the [Dimona] construction in the Negev.” Yet he never reported on the Israelis’ efforts to build a nuclear reactor for military purposes.[31]Seymour Hersh, The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, Random House, 1991, p. 147. In 1960, Angleton ignored a request from the U.S. Intelligent Board, which reviewed CIA operations on behalf of the White House, that all information regarding Dimona be transmitted “expeditiously”.[32]Morley, The Ghost, p. 92

Angleton also failed to notice or to report about the stealing of weapons-grade enriched uranium from a plant of the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) in Apollo, Pennsylvania. The NUMEC had been created under U.S. government license by David Lowenthal, a Zionist financier, and was run by Zalman Shapiro, the son of an Orthodox rabbi from Lithuania, who was also head of the local chapter of the Zionist Organization of America. Over the 9 years from 1959 to 1968, the Atomic Energy Commission estimated that 267 kilograms of uranium went missing at the Apollo NUMEC plant. One Israeli masquerading as a nuclear engineer who visited the plant was a Mossad agent named Rafael Eitan, who was known to Angleton. “With the fissile material diverted from NUMEC, Israel was able to construct its first nuclear weapon by 1967 and become a full-blown nuclear power by 1970 — the first, and still the only, nuclear power in the Middle East. Angleton, it is fair to say, thought collaboration with Israel was more important than U.S. non-proliferation policy.”[33]Morley, “CIA and Mossad.”

“Angleton’s loyalty to Israel betrayed U.S. policy on an epic scale,” Morley concludes. “Instead of supporting U.S. nuclear security policy, he ignored it.” John Hadden, then CIA station chief in Tel Aviv, who felt betrayed by his superior Angleton, wrote in 1978: “A crime was committed 10 or 20 years ago, a crime considered so serious that for its commission the death penalty is mandatory and no statute of limitations applies.”

Angleton had regular professional and personal contact with at least six men aware of Israel’s secret plan to build a bomb. From Asher Ben-Natan to Amos de Shalit to Isser Harel to Meir Amit to Moshe Dayan to Yval Ne’eman, his friends were involved in the building of Israel’s nuclear arsenal. If he learned anything of the secret program at Dimona, he reported very little of it. . . . The failure of the U.S. nonproliferation policy to prevent the introduction of nuclear weapons to the Middle East in the 1960s is part of Angleton’s legacy, and its effects will be felt for decades, if not centuries.[34]Morley, The Ghost, pp. 261-262.

Angleton himself implicitly acknowledged his role to New York Times foreign correspondent Tad Szulc, who declared before the Church Committee in 1975:

I was told by one of my news sources that a situation had occurred in the 1960s in which the CIA delivered to the Israeli government classified information, technical knowledge, know-how, the services of distinguished physicists and fissionable material in the form of plutonium to assist in the development of an Israeli nuclear weapon at the Dimona Israeli Nuclear Testing grounds. . . I have raised the subject in a private conversation with Mr. James Angleton in the spring of this year [April 1975]. Mr. Angleton told me that essentially this information was correct.[35]Michael Holzman, James Jesus Angleton: The CIA, and the Craft of Counterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, pp. 167-168.

The Six Day War and the USS Liberty

According to Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, “There is a body of opinion within the American intelligence community that Angleton played a leading part in orchestrating the events leading up to the June 1967 war. One long-serving official at CIA’s ancient rival, the code-breaking National Security Agency, states flatly that ‘Jim Angleton and the Israelis spent a year cooking up the ’67 war. It was a CIA operation designed to get Nasser.’”[36]Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, pp. 146-147.

In that period, according to Joan Mellen, author of Blood in the Water: How the US and Israel Conspire to Ambush the USS Liberty (2018), “Meir Amit was Angleton’s chief ally in Israel, but in the United States, he relied on another Mossad operative, Ephraim ‘Eppy’ Evron, who in 1967, as a Mossad operative as well as deputy Israeli ambassador to Washington, enjoyed greater importance at the Israeli embassy than the ambassador, Avraham Harman. It was Evron who had arranged meetings between Angleton and Moshe Dayan . . . to discuss the feasibility of an attack on Egypt with the objective of toppling Nasser. Lyndon Johnson had authorized Angleton to inform Evron that the United States would not intervene to stop an attack on Egypt.”[37]Joan Mellen, Blood in the Water: How the US and Israel Conspired to Ambush the USS Liberty, Prometheus Books, 2018, on www.worldtruth.online/, p. 50.

In May 1967, Eppy Evron met Johnson at the White House. Evron later said that Johnson told him, “You and I are going to pass another Tonkin resolution,” in reference to the mock incident in the Gulf of Tonkin that Johnson used to justify the aggression against North Vietnam.[38]Peter Hounam, Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty nearly caused World War III, Vision, 2003, pp. 266-267. On May 30, Meir Amit, then head of global operations for Mossad, flew to Washington and met first with Angleton the next day. There is no documentary record of their conversation, but on June 1, Amit reported to Israel: “there is a growing chance for American political backing if we act on our own.”[39]Mellen, Blood in the Water, pp. 37-40. “It would be Angleton,” says Joan Mellen, “who would prevail in formulating, with Meir Amit, the configuration of the operation that would culminate in the attack on the USS Liberty.”[40]Mellen, Blood in the Water, p. 49.

Here a summary of Tom Segev’s account of this meeting in 1967: Israel, the War, and the Year That Transformed the Middle East (2007): “Amit’s trip to Washington had ben instigated by Aharon Yariv, and its main purpose was to find out, through intelligence channels, what the Americans would really do if Israel attacked Egypt.” The first person Amit met there was James Jesus Angleton, who introduced him to Helms, head of CIA. Helms “arranged for Amit to meet with Secretary of Defense McNamara.” Presenting Israel’s plan to attack Egypt, Amit “heard no objections from McNamara.” McNamara was called out of the meeting twice to talk with Johnson on the phone, and reported to Amit the President’s message: “I read you loud and clear.” Amit reported back to Israel his impression that the Americans would give their blessing to an Israeli strike “crushing Nasser.” In response to Eshkol’s question, Amit said they might even assist Israel in such a strike. “Jim Angleton was enthusiastic,” writes Segev; he saw in Israel’s strike “the possibility of solving the region’s problems.” He “stressed the issue’s delicacy and asked to preserve complete secrecy.” When corresponding with Eshkol on the phone, Amit acknowledged the decisive importance of Angleton’s support. Angleton, he said, intimated that the Americans “would undoubtedly look positively on a knockout” on Egypt; “Angleton was an extraordinary asset for us. We could not have found ourselves a better advocate.” He was “the biggest Zionist of the lot,” insisted Amit.[41]Tom Segev, 1967: Israel, the War, and the Year That Transformed the Middle East, Henry Hold, 2007, pp. 329-332.

In December 1967, having more than doubled their territory, the Israelis threw a big party for Angleton when he visited them on his 50th birthday.

Conclusion

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The Mossad side of Angleton is part of the “unspoken Kennedy truth” that, in Michael Collins Piper’s footsteps, I documented in my book and in this article. It is no small part. As Morley writes, “Angleton’s formative and sometimes decisive influence on U.S. policy toward Israel can be seen in many areas — from the impotence of U.S. nuclear non-proliferation policy in the region, to Israel’s triumph in the 1967 Six-Day War, to the feeble U.S. response to the attack on the Liberty, to the intelligence failure represented by the Yom Kippur War of 1973.”[42]Morley, “CIA and Mossad”

Angleton is remembered in the U.S. as a mentally unstable man who caused irreparable damage to the CIA’s efficiency and reputation. In contrast, he is remembered in Israel as a great benefactor of the Zionist state. Here is an extract from the Washington Post report about a ceremony held in his honor in Jerusalem after his death. Although it was supposedly secret, a couple of Israeli reporters, including Andy Court of the Jerusalem Post, had been tipped off and attended:

The head of the pathologically secretive spy agency, the Mossad, was there, as was his counterpart with Shin Bet, the Israeli internal security service. Five former heads of those agencies and three former military intelligence chiefs were also present. Their mission: to pay final tribute to a beloved member of their covert fraternity — the late CIA chief of counterintelligence, James Jesus Angleton. . . . Following the planting [of trees], the group gathered again in Jerusalem behind the King David Hotel at a scenic spot not far from the walls of the Old City that Angleton often visited on his trips here. There they dedicated a memorial stone that read, in English, Hebrew and Arabic: “In memory of a dear friend, James (Jim) Angleton.” . . . The ceremonies symbolized the respect and affection that the Israeli intelligence community holds for Angleton . . . Although his name appears in few history books about Israel, Angleton played a crucial role in the early years of the young Jewish state. In the 1950s and early 1960s, when most of official Washington was wary of — even hostile to — Israel, he helped forge links between the Mossad and the CIA that established the basis for cooperation in intelligence gathering that still exists today. . . . Angleton “was a friend you could trust on a personal basis,” said Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who spoke at the tree-planting ceremony. Rabin knew Angleton from his days as Israeli Army chief of staff in the mid-1960s and later as ambassador to the United States. Jerusalem Mayor Teddy Kollek, who rose from his sickbed to attend the ceremonies, told the small crowd, “We commemorate a great friend, who saw Israel-U.S. relations through their most difficult period in the 40 years of Israel’s existence.” . . . Those who attended, according to Court, included the current heads of the Mossad and Shin Bet, neither of whom can be named under government security laws; former Mossad chiefs Meir Amit, Zvi Zamir and Yitzhak Hofi; former Shin Bet chiefs Avraham Ahituv and Amos Manor, and former military intelligence heads Aharon Yariv, Shlomo Gazit and Binyamin Gibli.[43]Glenn Frankel, “The Secret Ceremony,” Washington Post, December 5, 1987, on www.washingtonpost.com. Andy Court’s article, “Spy Chiefs Honour a CIA Friend,” Jerusalem Post, December 5, 1987, is not online.

There is still a mystery about Angleton’s relationship with Israel, a mystery that perhaps Angleton himself could not have cleared up. It is a reasonable guess that most of Angleton’s Israeli friends were well aware of his personality issues and of his delusional worldview, and that they exploited them to the fullest; they convinced Angleton that they were his indispensable allies against Communism. One former Mossad chief said to the Cockburns: “Of course, Jim had some pretty weird ideas, like that one about the Sino-Soviet split [Angleton believed it was a cunning deception]. But I think that he found himself a little more appreciated here in Israel than in Washington. We would listen respectfully to him [here the smirk] and his opinions.” The Israelis, gather the Cockburns, “took great care to flatter him and bend a respectful ear to his interpretation of events in the shadowy world of intelligence and deception.” Taking a closer look at the Angleton memorial in the Jerusalem forest, the Cockburns point out that, “Unlike the other memorial groves, the inscription here is not carved in stone, but is written on a sheet of plastic screwed to the stone itself. Within a year of the commemoration of the site most of the trees, tiny saplings, were dead or dying. The ground all around was covered in garbage: cans, rags, and, here and there, bones.”[44]Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 44. What kind of memorial is this? A memorial for a useful idiot that can be soon forgotten.

What was Angleton’s position in the organizational chart of the plotters against Kennedy? If, as John Newman believes, Angleton was the “general manager” of Oswald’s handlers, and the engineer of his mock appearance in Mexico, what did he really know of Oswald’s ultimate function in the plot? There is no indication that Angleton ever felt that he had been used by his Israeli friends, and it is therefore more than likely that he was a deliberate participant in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy. What has been shown beyond a reasonable doubt is that Angleton, the central CIA player in the plot to kill JFK, was in reality more controlled by the Mossad than by the CIA itself.

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I am happy to see that this conclusion is now becoming more accepted among Kennedy researchers. Peter Janney, author of the acclaimed Mary’s Mosaic: The CIA Conspiracy to Murder John F. Kennedy, Mary Pinchot Meyer, and Their Vision for World Peace (2012), in which Angleton figures prominently, honored me with a comment on the Amazon page of my book:

In addition to his book JFK – 9/11: 50 Years of Deep State, which was published in 2017, Laurent Guyénot has given us yet another gem with The Unspoken Kennedy Truth.

As the author of “Mary’s Mosaic” and someone who has spent many, many years studying the JFK assassination, Laurent Guyénot takes us where few have dared to tread — the role of Mossad and Israel in the murders of both Kennedy brothers and very likely in the event of 9/11 itself. I have been persuaded by both these books and have come to the conclusion that JFK assassination researchers have missed a vital element in understanding the larger role of Israel…

Is it a coincidence that there are not just one — but two — monuments in Israel to the legendary CIA Counterintelligence Chief James Jesus Angleton? Are we anti-Semites for making an indictment against Israel, given Guyénot’s persuasive argument that is supported by evidence? The answer is no! The truth takes no prisoners…

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Phillip Nelson, author of LBJ, The Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010), the ultimate 720-page indictment of Johnson (followed by LBJ: From Mastermind to “the Colossus” and Remember the Liberty), also wrote a comment that I am proud to quote: “Guyénot’s short book covers much territory, some of it never so thoroughly explored before. … He has made a very compelling and persuasive argument for his position and I recognize the truths he has revealed.” Nelson has reservations, however, on the thesis that Ben-Gurion was the “driving force” behind the assassination of JFK.

The major problem with his thesis is that the problems with Dimona didn’t arise and become the hot topic between JFK and Ben-Gurion until 1963. LBJ’s plot to take the White House by the “back door” began in 1958, when he pushed the Texas legislature to allow him to run on both the state ballot and the national ballot at the same time, something it had then prohibited. That was only the first box he had to check-off, five years before the assassination.

In my opinion, it’s more likely that, during that five years, Johnson and Ben-Gurion, with their submissive acolytes, discussed many of their goals and priorities, and that the “Big Event” became a mutually-agreed high priority, with plenty of time to set all the knights, bishops, kings, queens, and pawns, in their place.

I think Johnson made it on Kennedy’s ticket in 1960 only because the Zionists (Abe Feinberg) wanted him there, as Kennedy’s potential assassin and future “best U.S. president for Israel ever.” For as I wrote in “The Umbrella Man, the Sins of the Father, and the Kennedy Curse”, long before 1960, the Israelis saw the Kennedys as a serious potential threat to their expansionist ambitions, and rightly so. In the organization chart of the plot, I place Ben-Gurion higher than LBJ. But that is open to debate.

https://odysee.com/@KontreKulture:c/Israel-and-the-Assassinations-of-The-Kennedy-brothers:9

Notes

[1] This has been shown conclusively by David Talbot in Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, Simon & Schuster, 2007.

[2] Jefferson Morley, Our Man in Mexico: Winston Scott and the Hidden History of the CIA, University Press of Kansas, 2008, p. 207.

[3] James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, Touchstone, 2008, p. 232.

[4] Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, p. 82.

[5] Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable, pp. 82-83.

[6] “LBJ speaks on a conspiracy in JFK murder,” on YouTube.

[7] John M. Newman, Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth About the Unknown Relationship Between the U.S. Government and the Alleged Killer of JFK, Skyhorse, 2008, pp. 613-637. Excerpts on spartacus-educational.com

[8] Newman, Oswald and the CIA, pp. 636-637 (on spartacus-educational.com)

[9] Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment: The Missing Link in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy, American Free Press, 6th ed., 2005, pp. 166-169.

[10] Tom Mangold, Cold Warrior: James Jesus Angleton: the CIA’s Master Spy Hunter, Simon & Schuster, 1991, p. 52.

[11] Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 55.

[12] Andrew and Leslie Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, HarperCollins, 1991, p. 43.

[13] Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 57.

[14] Jefferson Morley, The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton, St. Martin’s Press, 2017, p. 229.

[15] David C. Martin, Wilderness of Mirrors: Intrigue, Deception, and the Secrets that Destroyed Two of the Cold War’s Most Important Agents, Skyhorse, 2018.

[16] David Wise, “The Spookiest of the CIA’s Spooks,” Los Angeles Times, December 24, 2006, on www.latimes.com.

[17] Jefferson Morley, “Wilderness of Mirrors: Documents Reveal the Complex “Legacy of James Angleton, CIA Counterintelligence Chief and Godfather of Mass Surveillance”, January 1, 2018, The Intercept, on theintercept.com/

[18] Peter Dale Scott, Deep Politics and the Death of JFK, University of California Press, 1993, p. 54, quoted in Michael Collins Piper, Final Judgment, 6th ed., 2005, p. 63.

[19] Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 362.

[20] Mangold, Cold Warrior, p. 49.

[21] Cockburn and Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 41.

[22] Morley, The Ghost, 55

[23] Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 43.

[24] Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 65; Morley, The Ghost, p. 78.

[25] Morley, The Ghost, p. 171.

[26] Morley, The Ghost, pp. 174, 73; Jefferson Morley, “Wilderness of Mirrors.”

[27] Morley, The Ghost, p. 262.

[28] Jefferson Morley, “CIA and Mossad: Tradeoffs in the Formation of the U.S.-Israel Strategic Relationship,” conf for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, 2018 May, on www.wrmea.org/

[29] Piper, Final Judgment, 6th ed., 2005, pp. 461-478.

[30] Morley, The Ghost, p. 174.

[31] Seymour Hersh, The Samson Option: Israel’s Nuclear Arsenal and American Foreign Policy, Random House, 1991, p. 147.

[32] Morley, The Ghost, p. 92

[33] Morley, “CIA and Mossad.”

[34] Morley, The Ghost, pp. 261-262.

[35] Michael Holzman, James Jesus Angleton: The CIA, and the Craft of Counterintelligence, University of Massachusetts Press, 2008, pp. 167-168.

[36] Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, pp. 146-147.

[37] Joan Mellen, Blood in the Water: How the US and Israel Conspired to Ambush the USS Liberty, Prometheus Books, 2018, on www.worldtruth.online/, p. 50.

[38] Peter Hounam, Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty nearly caused World War III, Vision, 2003, pp. 266-267.

[39] Mellen, Blood in the Water, pp. 37-40.

[40] Mellen, Blood in the Water, p. 49.

[41] Tom Segev, 1967: Israel, the War, and the Year That Transformed the Middle East, Henry Hold, 2007, pp. 329-332.

[42] Morley, “CIA and Mossad”

[43] Glenn Frankel, “The Secret Ceremony,” Washington Post, December 5, 1987, on www.washingtonpost.com. Andy Court’s article, “Spy Chiefs Honour a CIA Friend,” Jerusalem Post, December 5, 1987, is not online.

[44] Cockburn, Dangerous Liaison, p. 44.

 
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  1. Excellent article. I’ve known Angleton was a key suspect in the JFK coup since the late 70s thanks to Epstein’s Legend, which inadvertently implicates its main source. After reading Legend I couldn’t help but wonder: Can Epstein possibly believe that Angleton is on the up-and-up?! Is Epstein complicit in Angleton’s deception, or just so stupid that he doesn’t understand the implications of his own book? In retrospect, I think Epstein (and his mentor and source Angleton) were practicing the art of neocon doublespeak as taught by Leo Strauss, which consists of writing in such a way as to confuse and mislead the casual reader (the general public) while covertly sharing the esoteric truth with careful readers, (one’s fellow neocons).

    • Thanks: James of Africa, Iris
  2. Realist says:

    Alan Dulles was most likely the instigator of both Kennedy assassinations…while Angleton was the person in charge of the contract.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  3. Wielgus says:

    Some of the loopier corners of the “intelligence world” do seem to have believed the Sino-Soviet split was fake. One supposed Eastern Bloc defector actually published an article in a British newspaper in the early to mid-1980s claiming all splits in the Eastern bloc were fake and designed to make the West complacent. I suspect a faction in MI6 cooked it up and perhaps even invented the defector.

  4. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:

    CIA hoses you down with lots of foreign propaganda from tenuously-employed academics. For, you know, cred. Hey! What do you know, Guyenot’s back with more frogdipped CIA propaganda!

    First, he distorts Douglass, narrowing the obectives of CIA’s apical coup to invasion of Cuba. Then he asks, Why didn’t the one thing I cherrypicked happen, Huh? QED!

    Next he quotes Douglass to make it look a little less intellectually dishonest, but without context, so he can make up a contradiction. Of course Johnson refused to frame the Russians. By framing the Russians CIA propagated the OPSEC directive, “Don’t look into it, it’ll start World War III!!!!” Johnson used that big porky to extort a whitewash from Warren and his commission. Guyenot tries to explain that away as the “alternative explanation,” except that it’s not alternative at all, it’s the thing that resolves his fake paradox. Medieval scholasticism FAIL.

    Next Guyenot rummages through the lame CIA bullshit vault for Limited Hangout 1405.2/A-b(ii), “some guy did it.” By fixating on a single individual, CIA hopes to distract you from the institutional capacity it takes to immediately shut down law enforcement from the highest levels all the way down to border-control gumshoes. And inter lotsa alia to fly an extra Oswald out of town on a CIA plane and rusticate and surveil the guy who noticed, for decades. Guyenot doesn’t tell you about that stuff Douglass wrote. If he did, they’d take away his Junior Spy Cadet merit badge in bullshit.

    CIA’s first Big Lie was “CIA works for the President.” Then CIA killed the President, and the line kinda had to evolve. It got easier after patsy 2 Angleton died, and the line became, “significant failure of executive control.” So, see, CIA doesn’t work for the president, CIA kills him when they want, but that’s a Bad Thing. Appointees ever since McCone got kept in the dark and fed shit just like mushrooms, tsk, tsk. So let’s review. CIA does whatever the fuck they want, from inception, but that’s not how CIA works, that’s not arbitrary CIA rule, that’s, uh, failure.

    CIA had cutouts. No shit, Sherlock, CIA uses cutouts to commit grave crimes, effecting arbitrary rule. Guyenot makes much of CIA’s Jewy Mossad cutouts. CIA gave nuke tech to Mossad. That must be because Mossad said, “Gimme that nuke tech or I’ll nuke ya!” and CIA said, “OK, OK, just don’t nuke me,” and a little later they figured out, “Hey… wait a minute!” This is how stupid he thinks you are.

    CIA rules your country. Let’s cut the shit.

  5. Treason is not uncommon in America, or in any other country. Influential people are “turned” every damn day and the Israeli Mossad are masters at blackmail. I would posit that blackmail is not even necessary, for the human condition just wants appreciation, love, respect, and a sense of purpose.

    Religious cults successfully recruit because the masses of humanity are adrift. Our brains are hardwired to seek a group. To belong. Our prehistoric ancestors died quickly if not part of a clan or tribe. To be exiled from the tribe meant certain death, for one could not survive alone for long.
    Evolutionary forces hard wired this “social” need into our brains —For Survival.

    How do casual, work-related friendships grow to the point of identifying with them and their families as your own tribe? How is the law of reciprocal behavior used to “turn” a person from honoring his citizenship and patriotic duty of his home country to that of his new TRIBE?

    You can be certain that the Israeli Mossad provided Angleton with all manners of pleasure? Women, fine dinners, the best luxury hotels, personal escorts, cigars, a worshiping audience (faux audience), status, respect, friendship, a sense of belonging, and a new tribe. A tribe to die for. Who would not say screw America’s best interest…..I’m having the time of my life over here.

    Angleton was a Traitor. Just as the people who orchestrated WWII in Great Britain were traitors to their own people and their country. They were paid handsomely and lived out the remainder of their lives in luxury. There are numerous statutes of Winston Churchill in Israel. https://www.martingilbert.com/blog/winston-churchill-and-the-foundation-of-israel/

    We now know that a bankrupt Churchill was propped up and funded by wealthy Zionists and once installed, he relentlessly pursued WWII at the instructions of his masters. Millions died because of this drunken psychopath, with the gift of oration.

    Lyndon Baynes Johnson had his Israeli Concubine, Mathilde Krim, at his side at all times. She and her faux husband lived right next door to him. https://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/secret-life-mathilde/

    Our current president, thief Joe Biden, is no different. He comes from a long line of “compromised” shit bag human beings seeking to elevate his own TRIBE above yours. He is not a citizen patriot and secretly despises his fellow Americans who have rejected him his entire career. If Joe was 20 years younger the Israeli Mossad would be shipping 10-year-old girls to his front door. But alas he is mentally ill and of little use to Israel —So he takes naps and his 50% Jewish administration runs the show – Transgender horseshit, pushing open borders, multi-culturalism, Hate Speech Laws, and Gun grabbing. Israel desperately seeks to disarm the Nation that will eventually uncover its crimes. Imagine if all of America just read Unz.com articles on Israel.

    Incidentally, if you comment on any FaceBook page and type in a link to https://www.unz.com – the post is immediately blocked, for “Hate Speech” and “Community (aka TRIBE) Guideline Violations”.

  6. @anon

    CIA’s first Big Lie was “CIA works for the President.

    In the real world every formal organization chart is fraudulent.

    Large organizations (even those with benevolent purposes) are quickly subverted with workarounds and informal networks of the folks who can actually get things done.

    Dulles and Angleton were two such people–they used the resources of the CIA for their own agenda.

  7. Karl1906 says:

    Excellent article!

    • Replies: @JWalters
  8. The biggest laugh in the official story was that after Oswald defected to the Soviets and publicly announced that he shared top secret information with them, he decided to return to the USA and was never arrested!

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  9. JimDandy says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Well, Mossad spooks successfully conspired to kill the Jew leader of their own Jewish State, why would they hesitate to off as many of our goyim leaders as it takes?

    • Agree: JWalters
  10. lol. The abject denialism of fact of a communist killing Kennedy has only grown since 1963.

    Fact: Oswald, a life-long rabid communist, murdered Kennedy, a life-long rabid anti-Communist who, in less than 3 years of his presidency, had come to near nuclear war with the communist Soviets and Cubans on three separate occasions via the Bay of Pigs, Berlin Wall raising, and the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    (Not to mention Kennedy getting us into Vietnam over communism, but that’s another story)

    About the only alternate-theory that makes sense is that Oswald was a CIA asset, encouraged or brainwashed via MKULTRA to take out Kennedy. But that still makes Oswald a communist with a motive to kill an anti-communist, just with the CIA guiding him to do it. (Maybe Kennedy found evidence vindicating McCarthy (Kennedy was McCarthy’s staunchest Democrat ally in the Senate) and showing that the CIA itself was infiltrated by communists, and thus the commies there deployed one of their own to take him out before he blew the whistle.)

    But really, commies: the blood is on your hands. As is so much blood from the 20th and 21st century.

    • Replies: @Meimou
  11. “The word “assassin” derives from a secretive murder cult in the 11th and 12th centuries called the “Hashishin”, meaning “hashish eaters”.  The original leader was Hasan Ben Sabah, a cult of the Isma’ili sect of Muslims.
    Sabah got his followers to be willing to be sent to their deaths by being drugged up with hashish and put into a hypnotic state.  After this trance-like state was induced, the men were offered sensual pleasures- beautiful handmaidens and harem girls and made to believe they were in heaven.(((Jeffery Epstein/MSM anyone)))
    When they came out of the trance, they were sent out on gangland-type missions.  The men were told that if they attempted to kill prominent targets and things went sour, they would be given a quick return trip to paradise in order to make them fearless in their mission.”

    Sounds like your typical NWO assassin of today that now use kids, blacks and Hispanics gang cartels to do their dirty work to implement everything from gun control to hate whitey narratives.
    There’s a reason they have declared whites “white Supremacists” and Domestic Terrorists”. They’ve been using drug induced indoctrination for hundreds of years, and this method and procedure is now one of CIA/Mossad’s primary weapons to control governments and those apposing a kosher rainbow/BLM new world order.

    They don’t really need physical guns to kill, it’s easier to use opioids and big pharma to do their dirty work.(((Frankenshots)))

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  12. Franz says:

    In December 1967, having more than doubled their territory, the Israelis threw a big party for Angleton when he visited them on his 50th birthday.

    That and the monuments prove how really well treason can pay.

    Angleton’s treason was made inevitable by what started off as obsessive compulsive anti-communism. More than any other issue, this turned the old US into the stark shadow it is today. We became a security state over communism, slapped barracks and fleets all over the world, altered our immigration laws not to be seen as “bigoted” to the undeveloped nations we were hoping to keep from “going communist.”

    It was a madness that changed us deliberately; security states need a frightened population. No key to end it has shown up yet but we’d better find one soon.

    • Replies: @JWalters
  13. GMC says:

    The older I get and longer I read , the more I think that the Federal Government is 90% full of Traitors – from the Prez. down to the Postman. If the order comes down to screw a fellow citizen, they will do it without even blinking. The US flag needs a bloody soaked sword put in the middle of it.

    • Agree: Irish Savant
  14. @Mike Fridelle

    “ We now know that a bankrupt Churchill was propped up and funded by wealthy Zionists and once installed, he relentlessly pursued WWII at the instructions of his masters. Millions died because of this drunken psychopath, with the gift of oration.”

    Yes. Imagine if all of America could understand all you wrote.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  15. Following the murder of Kennedy and Mary Meyer
    Frank Wisner was also shot and Desmond Fitzgerald died of a heart attack.
    Both of them were working around the same time as Angleton in the CIA.
    So maybe someone on the inside did all that or the Israelis.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Brad Anbro
  16. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Thank you for tying up so many loose ends, Laurent. I think your courageous and meticulous scholarship is unsurpassed.

    When I first saw some “news” in 2014 about “ISIS”, I intuitively understood it was another Judeo-Islamic terrorist organization like “Al-Qaeda” created by Israelis and other Jews to wage false-flag warfare on Gentiles. I emigrated to Switzerland soon after because it was clear the situation in the US, UK, and EU would grow much worse until the world’s foremost problem was finally solved.

    The following chronology of my experiences with ISIS (Mossad) doesn’t mean much to the uninitiated. The details are a very long story, and there are many stories more important than mine. Nevertheless, having experienced almost continual harassment and terrorism from ISIS for decades, I must warn everyone of the growing danger.

    Perhaps other readers have experienced parallel events.

    I was targeted by ISIS because of my father’s work with the CFR, CIA, President Kennedy, and President Carter. Most of the screenplays I’ve written are about Israel and nuclear war, so I incurred the wrath of the Tribe a long time ago. During 1979, my father (Don Peretz) married a Polish-Israeli terrorist (Maya). She and her associates proceeded to frame me as a terrorist during the next forty years.

    [MORE]

    Anyone can view Mossad’s official website and observe it’s labeled “Israeli Secret Intelligence Service” (ISIS):

    https://www.mossad.gov.il/eng/Pages/default.aspx

    Here’s my personal chronology of ISIS terrorism:

    1963 – President Kennedy (my father’s boss) assassinated by David Ben-Gurion and ISIS (Israeli Secret Intelligence Service).

    1967 – Six-Day War. Don, Jan, Deb, and I live in Jerusalem for one year.

    1973 – Yom Kippur War.

    1974 – Resignation of President Nixon.

    1976 – I reject Judaism and Hebrew lessons. Maya (ISIS) seduces Don.

    1979 – ISIS-backed militants seize American hostages in Tehran. Maya marries Don.

    1980 – October Surprise and election of Ronald Reagan.

    1987 – I write Millennium.

    1988 – I write The Armageddon Special.

    1989 – I write The Death of Gravity.

    1990 – Yitzhak Shamir, posing as a physician, interviews me in New York. MKULTRA. Iraq invades Kuwait provoking the Gulf War. I initiate Tesla Motors. Don and I meet Dick Cheney at the CFR.

    1991 – Harry (an anarchist) places rifle in my apartment. Philip (a Marine) tags along. Oliver Stone releases JFK. Don is evasive about my questions.

    1993 – ISIS bombs the New York World Trade Center.

    1995 – I write Sunball: Who Killed the Electric Car? ISIS bombs Oklahoma City.

    1999 – I initiate production of Notes from Earth. Cancelled by the CIA and NSA.

    2000 – I meet with Gary Sick and initiate production of October Surprise. Cancelled by ISIS. Ralph Nader’s presidential campaign. Meetings with Don, the CIA and State Department at the CFR. First abduction, New Mexico. Election Fraud 2000.

    2001 – I initiate candidacy for US Congress. ISIS bombs the New York World Trade Center (again) and the Pentagon. Dr Hirsch reports I’m “associated with Al Qaeda”.

    2003 – Meeting with Don and Stansfield Turner (CIA-CFR).

    2005 – I publish The 9/11 Investigation on YouTube. Second abduction, Boston. Dr Wexler provides drugs and oppressive interrogation for the next ten years.

    2006 – Google buys YouTube and removes The 9/11 Investigation. Ervin (Maya’s son at the Google Corporation) says I’ve “blown family fortune”.

    2010 – I co-author proposed US Constitution.

    2014 – Third abduction, Boston.

    2015 – Fourth abduction, Boston.

    2017 – Fifth abduction, Boston. Ervin says I’m “guilty of blood libel”.

    2018 – I emigrate to Switzerland.

    2020 – Ervin and associates embezzle my inheritance.

    2022 – World is at the brink of a nuclear war yet again. Americans are afraid to tell the truth about Jews.

    https://www.amazon.com/Final-judgment-missing-assassination-conspiracy/dp/B0006QY4X2

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/authors/don-peretz

    A New Memoir Reveals How Brzezinski’s Chessboard Led to U.S. Checkmate in Afghanistan – Centre for Research on Globalization

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/new-memoir-reveals-how-brzezinski-chessboard-led-us-checkmate-afghanistan/5761042

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/?s=ISIS

    • Replies: @JWalters
  17. I think Johnson made it on Kennedy’s ticket in 1960 only because the Zionists (Abe Feinberg) wanted him there, as…future “best U.S. president for Israel ever.”

    At least we know about the role played by Abe Feinberg(*), Israel lobbyist and Haganah arms smuggler, who had also played a role in Truman’s 1948 presidential campaign. Going forward forty years in time from then, to the year 2000, it would be interesting to know which influential person caused presidential contender Al Gore to unexpectedly – and surprisingly – chose Joe Lieberman as running mate in early August, prior to their party’s convention.

    I posed the question only a month ago (May 7, 2022 at 9:10 am GMT) with no response:

    Who convinced or coerced him to chose Lieberman?

    Surely somebody must have revealed the identity of that mysterious person operating in the shadows 22 years ago. See my full comment about this for relevant context; I moved to this topic beginning in the fourth paragraph, here:

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/sociopath-neocons-sacrifice-ukrainians-and-global-poor-katie-halper/#comment-5327907

    (*) More information about Abe Feinberg here:
    Abraham Feinberg’s FBI File
    https://www.israellobby.org/feinberg/

    • Replies: @JWalters
  18. One more of the innumerable atrocities hidden under the rug of freedom and democracy. Another false monument.

  19. gotmituns says:

    I believe JFK war murdered because he wanted to pull our military advisers out of Vietnam and wasn’t going to go to war there. RFK, I’m not sure about. But the zionists might have done both murders. When it comes to murder, it’s a good bet to figure they did it.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  20. ARV says:

    “…a pretext for invading Cuba, something that Kennedy had forbidden after the Bay of Pigs debacle …”

    Inaccurate, Kennedy never supported the Bay of Pigs invasion, that is why the debacle occurred …

    If the Cubans had had the promised support from the U.S. government that was promised from the beginning of the invasion plan, the operation would probably have succeeded.

  21. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    CIA rules your country. Let’s cut the shit.

    Translation: Go back to sleep, goy. There’s nothing to worry about.

    Zion Biden and any future POTUS could be addressing the American people in Hebrew and these gaslighters would still be denying who truly rules America and the rest of the West.

    • LOL: AlexanderEngUK
  22. anon[976] • Disclaimer says:

    In 6, justvisiting rightly points out the importance of parallel structures in organizations. CIA ratfuckers term those dotted-line reports. Dulles himself called them focal points. CIA has institutionalized parallel structures by placing focal points in useful bureaus and agencies. See Prouty, https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ST/

    These focal points are, for example, junior CIA employees temporarily billeted in DoD, FBI, or Treasury and left there until everybody forgets where they came from. Focal points have dotted-line reports back to a handler at CIA. They are illegal domestic agents in the US government. That’s how CIA hijacked HUD to finance war on Nicaragua. That’s how CIA hijacks DLA to make guns and bombs fall off the truck and go to Syria, and anywhere else. That’s how CIA hijacked CDC and FDA to exterminate you with clot shots. (You think a little runt like Fauci would dare be such a pompous dick if he didn’t have CIA protection? He’s the cutout for CIA germ warfare.)

    Dulles & Angleton famously used CIA resources for ultra vires fun and games. And the number one CIA resource, the single vital one, is impunity. Their twelve different get-out-of-jail-free cards. CIA is full of criminals because CIA is chartered as a criminal enterprise. So, sure there are bad apples. They’re all bad apples. That is not a problem of individual character, that is a problem of institutional design.

    • Agree: lavoisier
    • Thanks: Skeptikal
  23. @Anonymous12890

    After Mary Pinchot Meyer was murdered while walking along a Georgetown canal, Angleton broke into Mary’s home and searched for her diary which recorded the romantic affair with JFK.

    As noted by Laurent, one can read about Mary’s unsolved murder in Janney’s riveting book, “Mary’s Mosaic.”

    • Replies: @Abbott Hall
  24. anon[350] • Disclaimer says:

    For his next paper Guyenot should prove to us that all those decomposing teen hunk corpses under John Wayne Gacy’s crawlspace, Son of Sam fucked them and strangled them and limed them and buried them there, for international Jewry.

    No really, he drove his Oldsmobile to Indiana and he tapped Patches the Clown on the shoulder and ran around the other side real quick and did it, he did that like 33 times and Patches never caught on, cause you know Patches is just a dumb clown.

    Mossad recruited Berkowitz when him and Carr were in the army.
    https://thecinemaholic.com/how-did-john-and-michael-carr-die-did-someone-kill-them/

    That’s the only way Guyenot could top this epic insult to your intelligence.

    • Troll: Skeptikal
  25. Z-man says:

    I looked up this James Jesus Angleton and he’s got a whole big Wikipedia page on him.
    He’s a diluted Anglo Saxon as his mother is some sort Hispanic so that might explain his less than loyal behavior when it comes to sucking up to the Zionists.
    Yeah, the American government/Deep State has been infested with Zionists and their lackeys since WWII.

    • Replies: @Towey
    , @Chris Moore
    , @Mike Tre
  26. As far as I know several incompatible conspiracy theories about the JFK killing are still alive and my limited knowledge is concentrated on finding Ruby’s conduct inexplicable. The article is very interesting on Angleton but I wonder what reliable compilation of facts might exclude an almost primitively Occamish explanation that I can state quite briefly.

    What, I would ask, is conclusively wrong with Oswald being suckered by a group of Cubans in the US who promised him supporting help in escaping when they discovered what madness he could be enlisted to enact. Of course they made sure they had nothing to do with him after the killing. Hence Oswald’s complaint that he was a patsy. I am not propounding that version, but what can be conclusively proved to be against it?

  27. Towey says:
    @Z-man

    The Anglo-Saxons have been sucking up to the usurers since Cromwell. The Anglo-Saxons have been the muscle and the patsies for the Jews since the establishment of the Bank of England. The Anglo-Saxons have fought and died for their Jewish masters in various wars including the two world wars. The Anglo-Saxons are so dim that in fighting and dying for so-called democracy, they haven’t realised that they are complicit in their slavery to the bond holders.

  28. Z-man says:
    @gotmituns

    They are of their father the devil, and the lusts of their father they will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

  29. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    All right, geokat62, have it your way. International Jewry did it.

    How did they do it? They evidently, obviously did it using CIA. Because CIA can kill you and torture you and get away with it, whoever you are. Because CIA has the good old life-and-death arbitrary power of an oriental potentate. If you didn’t live in a lawless totalitarian state, it would be a lot harder for Jew supremacists to kill your president and get away with it.

    You don’t like Jews leading you around by the nose? Then take the fucking ring out of your nose. CIA is the ring in your nose.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Hans
  30. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    What’s this comment if not a concatenation of clichés being passed off as fact and argument? The comment reads like a parody of Jewish trolls at The Onion, and the overwrought use of dead clichés and the embarrassingly labored attempt at clever bons mots suggests English cannot possibly be his first language.

  31. For background on the Israelis and the assassination of JFK, read the book Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen, this is also about the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel and LBJ and his zionist neocon dual citizens.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @gotmituns
  32. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Z-man

    He’s a diluted Anglo Saxon as his mother is some sort Hispanic so that might explain his less than loyal behavior when it comes to sucking up to the Zionists.

    So what explains full-blooded Anglo-Saxon kike-sucking?

    • Thanks: Towey
    • Replies: @Z-man
  33. Wielgus says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    It suggests he was a low-level US intelligence asset. Despite loudly declaring his loyalty to the USSR, he hung onto his US passport.
    Apparently he was debriefed in the Netherlands, Russian wife in tow, before returning to the United States.

  34. What a crazy world we live in and all for what … money and power?

  35. gotmituns says:
    @Desert Fox

    by Joan Mellen
    ——————————–
    I don’t read anything written by female women of the human species.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Skeptikal
  36. MLK says:

    I know it seems tiresome but the place to begin is with the low-hanging fruit. The Kennedy Assassination was, paradigmatically, a Grand Conspiracy.

    I’ll be succinct because nobody listens anyway.

    Grand Conspiracies are defined by their objective. In the instant case that was, rather obviously, assassinating President Kennedy.

    The resources that can be and are applied are a function of the stakes. In the case of Grand Conspiracies, the sky’s the limit. That means effectively unlimited resources to plan for contingencies and false narratives to feed bias confirmation or concentrate minds.

    They are phenomenon in motion, as relevant events hours, days, weeks, years, and even decades, afterward attest.

    The most overlooked feature of Grand Conspiracies is that they are coalitions of the willing and unwilling. We like to think that the contours couldn’t possibly be any worse than what occurred, but that is a failure understand ‘in for a penny, in for a pound’ when the stakes are so high.

    As we saw and see with the Grand Conspiracy I label Trump Must Go!, achieving the principal objective merely kicks off the next phase in which domestic and foreign conspirators/stakeholders are paid off, intimidated, or both.

  37. Mike Tre says:
    @Z-man

    Look up CD Jackson. One of the dirtiest spooks in CIA history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Douglas_Jackson

    • Thanks: Z-man
  38. Thanks, another excellent piece from Dr Guyenot.

    ” Taking a closer look at the Angleton memorial in the Jerusalem forest, the Cockburns point out that, “Unlike the other memorial groves, the inscription here is not carved in stone, but is written on a sheet of plastic screwed to the stone itself. Within a year of the commemoration of the site most of the trees, tiny saplings, were dead or dying. The ground all around was covered in garbage: cans, rags, and, here and there, bones.”[44] What kind of memorial is this? A memorial for a useful idiot that can be soon forgotten.

    That’s what this moron was – a useful idiot for Zionism. It also indicates how these Zionists treat Goyim, no matter how useful they might be.
    Contrast it with the treatment of Kim Philby by the Soviet Union. Philby was no way near as helpful to the Soviet Union as Angleton was to Israel. Many in the KGB suspected Philby of being a triple agent. Nevertheless, he was well-protected and lived a comfortable life in Moscow and elsewhere. When he died, he recieved a Hero of the Soviet Union funeral. He even appeared on a Soviet postage stamp (1990 ).

    In one of the most interesting appendixes added to his 1998 edition of Final Judgment, Piper argues that Angleton was the mastermind of the Watergate dirty trick that caused Nixon’s fall, using his longtime ally Ben Bradlee, then Washington Post editor. According to Piper, Watergate was “a joint CIA-Mossad operation—orchestrated by James Angleton—for the purpose of removing Nixon from the presidency.” Nixon had to be removed because, like Kennedy before him, he had become a threat to Israel’s survival.[29]

    Obviously, Nixon’s detente with Russia and rapprochement with China were causing the military-industrial complex and the security agencies serious problems. It threatened their funding, power and prestige, so they wanted Nixon removed. That much is obvious. I would be interested to know the nature of the evidence regarding Israeli involvement.
    I hope Dr Guyenot is able to deal more fully with this issue in a future article.

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski
  39. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    You don’t like Jews leading you around by the nose? Then take the fucking ring out of your nose. CIA is the ring in your nose.

    As most informed individuals realise, there has been a long and pervasive march through every Western institution, and the intelligence services is no exception.

    Like most of these institutions, the CIA has been completely captured and is now a de facto subsidiary of the Mossad. Before we can remove the CIA ring from our nose, we have to first remove the Zionist yoke around our necks.

    • Agree: lavoisier, Irish Savant
  40. @Towey

    Your history isn’t very good. Why do you think the Anglo-Saxons, more than anyone from the late 16th to the late 19th century were disproportionately responsible for the scientific, agricultural and industrial revolutions? There weren’t a lot of the middle and upper middle class English and Scots who did it compared with the French and Spanish who didn’t but the numbers of comparably smart educated Jews were minute until well into the l9th century.
    You should read Gregory Clark’s ‘A Farewell to Alms: a Brief Economic History of the World”. Add to that some of his articles which made it clear that the outbreeding of the dim by the smart in the UK for several hundred years was a matter of nature as well as nurture. It is interesting to speculate that for modern capitalism executing a lot of criminals and sending the ancestors of poor White Trash as convicts or indentured servants to the colonies was also eugenic.

    • Replies: @Towey
  41. Z-man says:
    @Chris Moore

    Just making a point about this particular c*ck sucker.

  42. The only thing that appears to be certain about the JFK assassination (and a bunch of other events) is that each and every single theory has some point in it that is just as incompatible with reality as Arlen Spectre’s absurd “magical bullet” theory was.

    Well, what if there was not just one thing going on? What if there were multiple conspiracies with disparate goals, partially aware of each other, spying on each other, furthering or sabotaging each other as expedient, piggybacking each other’s actions? The killing of a president in office is a big enough bandwagon to jump on, and it appears safe to assume that after JFK’s demise policies all over the world were altered in reaction to this (there is something decidedly Heisenbergian about the intelligence community, not only in terms of dead cats left along the trail but also in that mere observation alters the very pattern of events). So maybe not even the perpetrators knew what was really going on, and hence everything that is supposedly brought to light is riddled with internal contradictions.

    In other words, an outstanding example of Western rule “from chaos, by chaos, and for chaos”.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  43. Agent76 says:

    September 1, 2021 New Evidence Implicates CIA, LAPD, FBI and Mafia as Plotters in Elaborate “Hit” Plan to Prevent RFK From Ever Reaching White House

    Yet even after over 50 years, high government officials like Vice President Kamala Harris are still trying to cover up the truth about his murder.

    https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/09/01/new-evidence-implicates-cia-lapd-fbi-and-mafia-as-plotters-in-elaborate-hit-plan-to-prevent-rfk-from-ever-reaching-white-house/

    November 23, 2019 JFK, MLK, RFK, 50 Years of Suppressed History: New Evidence on Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy.

    Today November 22, 2019, we commemorate the passing of JFK. November 22, 1963, the assassination of JFK in Dallas, Texas. Fifty-six years ago. January 21, 2019. Martin Luther King Day

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/50-years-of-suppressed-history-new-evidence-on-the-assassination-of-john-f-kennedy-martin-luther-king-and-robert-f-kennedy/5329847

    • Agree: Jim Christian
  44. Mefobills says:

    The Church Committee was led by Frank Church, a liberal Democratic senator from Idaho who headed one of the first truly independent assessments of the agency’s machinations at the time of JFK’s death.

    So, how is it that the deep state and the intelligence agencies bounced back so easily from the findings of the Church committee?

    After holding 126 full committee meetings, 40 subcommittee hearings, interviewing some 800 witnesses in public and closed sessions, and combing through 110,000 documents, the committee published its final report on April 29, 1976. Investigators determined that, beginning with President Franklin Roosevelt’s administration and continuing through the early 1970s, “intelligence excesses, at home and abroad,” were not the “product of any single party, administration, or man,” but had developed as America rose to a become a superpower during a global Cold War.

    “Intelligence agencies have undermined the constitutional rights of citizens,” the final report concluded, “primarily because checks and balances designed by the framers of the Constitution to assure accountability have not been applied.” In a separate appended view, Senator Tower acknowledged “intelligence excesses” and the “need for expanded legislative, executive, and judicial involvement in intelligence policy and practices.” He cautioned, however, that Congress should not “unnecessarily” restrain the president from exercising discretion in the realm of national security.

    My answer is that Congress is bought and paid for. The intelligence agencies also have kompromat on various Senators and Congress Critters.

    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress. Before 17’th Senators were NOT elected, and hence could not be as easily influenced with Kompromat, nor did they need money to run election campaigns. State Legislators could recall their Senators if they no longer worked for their state.

    America’s rise to “superpower” status post WW2 wasn’t the reason for “deep state,” it was the usurpation of the country in 1912, with advent of 16’th amendment (direct taxation of labor), the 17’th (disenfranchise states), Federal Reserve Act (Private Bank Control over the Country), and IRS (to enforce the 16’th).

    It is amazing there was at least one Senator who was “independent” and not compromised.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    , @Anonymous
  45. Durruti says:

    Angleton had been the Mossad’s indispensable ally in John Kennedy’s assassination. So he had personal reasons to cooperate with them again in stopping Robert Kennedy from reaching the White House, a position from which, according to multiple testimonies, Robert intended to track his brother’s assassins.[1]

    This is the clearest portion of Guyénot’s article.

    There is too much detail (true or untrue), and not enough analysis. Try this.

    1. The assassination of our Last Constitutional President,
    John F. Kennedy.

    2. The obviously connected assassination of his brother, Robert Kennedy.

    3. Later assassination of RFK’s political ally, M L King.

    4. All assassinated in similar pattern (bullets). All by (and in this order of importance), MOSSAD, CIA, &, MI6. [Who else could have committed these continuous crimes, and received full COVER from ALL the media (with only the rarest and most powerless) exceptions?]

    5. The sad PASSIVE/pacifist reaction of our American citizens to the OVERTHROW in a Coup D’état, of the remnants of their REPUBLIC.

    a. Important additional information: The Marxist Lemonist organizations within the USA, (and the world), registered the IDENTICAL lack of attention to these events as the ‘Mainstream’ Media and the therefore, clueless citizenry. One ‘Marxist’ organization’s leader referred to “too many guns in the hands of Texans.” This was in the week of November 22, 1963.

    [I leave out the -in 2022- completely unimportant minutia of the myriad of different ‘Marxist’ factions. So called ‘Trotskyist,’ ‘Stalinist,’ ‘Maoist,’ etc., all rendered identical service to their Masters – Masters of us all – The Radddicals were part of THEM, and rendered/render their controllers great service. If you saw the recent effort of our only Senator, Rand Paul, in ensuring some accountability for the \$40 Billion of our taxe\$ sent (supposedly) to the Kiev puppets, – – from the vote, we may understand the controlling Power of our Rulers]

    Understand? No help in analysis was offered by ANY political group, so that a teenager (in 1963), might understand the important events taking place at the time.

    b. The link to the importance of maintaining the Apartheid regime in South Africa, so that the Rothschild Zionists might develop their Nuclear weapons, and test them in the Antarctic Ocean, (and Kennedy’s outspoken opposition to denying South Africa its independence), was not discussed for years (until it was too late).

    Neither the ‘Mainstream’ information outlets, nor the so-called ‘Radddicals offered any helpful information that might have served to motivate the American citizens – to think, and to fight.

    c. The ‘Raddicals’ (alternate media), were KEY to keeping our citizens, uninformed, confused, and PASSIVE> They did their job. They made fewer mistakes than the actual assassins.

    Do not wish to end this brief effort (UNZ will not print my articles), on a sad negative note. We are breathing. We care! We Love. We love our Country. History will get better. The Russians are shooting! And we will also. Metaphorically, to Actually; to Lexington & Concord, and Beyond!

    Dr. Peter J. Antonsen – nom de guerre, Durruti

    *Jesse Ventura once raised the possibility that there was a chemical in our water supply, possibly Floride, that rendered Americans so passive.

    • Thanks: Agent76
  46. Che Guava says:

    This is very interesting, all that I read before was that Angleton was a paranoiac Cold Warrior.

    So I will have to read the article in detail.

    Assassinations of the two Kennedy bros. were long ago, before my time, more to the point, why?

    JFK was a major war-monger, and supported the same domestic policies as his successor implemented. Not to mention his private life, sure, nowhere the sewer-level of the ‘Reverend Doctor’ Michael King Jr., but pretty revolting nonetheless.

    His brother Robert may in an alternative reality have appointed an A.G. and FBI chief to crack down on some organised crime, otherwise, I can’t see what diff. either may have made.

    With both as past presidents, the U.S.A. of now would be in much the same bad situation as now.

    • Replies: @DCThrowback
    , @Durruti
  47. Jim H says:

    “Over the 9 years from 1959 to 1968, the Atomic Energy Commission estimated that 267 kilograms of uranium went missing at the Apollo NUMEC plant.

    “With the fissile material diverted from NUMEC, Israel was able to construct its first nuclear weapon by 1967 and become a full-blown nuclear power by 1970.” — Laurent Guyénot

    Half a century later, US officials up to the president decline to identify Israel as a nuclear proliferator, despite Israel’s estimated 200 nuclear warheads constituting the most central strategic fact in the region.

    This long-running US cover-up on behalf of Israel is at least as scandalous as the JFK assassination cover-up. In both cases, the official archives should be released NOW.

    Indeed, refusing to confirm essential facts that have been known for more than fifty years is prima facie evidence that Israel exerts large, illegitimate influence over the US.

    Israel’s influence is exerted both through the secret channels documented by Laurent Guyénot, and by half of Uniparty campaign funding coming from wealthy Jews.

    But the Lügenpresse exhibits zero interest in either of these rambunctious elephants noisily trampling America’s living room. Indeed, it is forbidden even to notice them.

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.

  48. Mefobills says:
    @gotmituns

    I don’t read anything written by female women of the human species.

    Here is one book, written by a woman, that all men should read:

    From Wiki:

    The Female Brain is a book written by the American neuropsychiatrist Louann Brizendine in 2006. The main thesis of the book is that women’s behavior is different from that of men due, in large measure, to hormonal differences. Brizendine says that the human female brain is affected by the following hormones: estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, oxytocin, neurotransmitters (dopamine, serotonin), and that there are differences in the architecture of the brain (prefrontal cortex, hypothalamus, amygdala) that regulates such hormones and neurotransmitters.

    Of course, Brizendine came under fire from the woke crowd:

    Brizendine later made some concessions to those who felt that this book overemphasised gender-based differences, saying: “Males and females are more alike than they are different. After all, we are the same species”.

    Men and Women are not the same. There are differences in the architecture of the brain.

    So, in addition to the 16’th, 17’th we can add the 19’th amendment from 1920, universal suffrage voting.

    The 18’th amendment, prohibition of transport of Liquor, was stupid as well. Temperance movement enabled corruption, and was led by women.

    Women should not be voting.

    The U.S. was lost long ago, and now is run by an occupation government, a regime that answers to globo homo international finance class.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @Sam Smith
  49. Treg says:

    I wonder what Laurent Guyenot and others think of James Files confession as the Grassy Knoll shooter. I’m convinced. Hear his confession here:


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  50. if our omnipotent wasp dot gov intel didn’t know that the kgb jews can easily infiltrate mossad, and thus mossad agents aren’t allies all the time……………….yikes……well, i’m sure they know now…………………..right?

    talk about an unholy alliance

  51. @Towey

    The Anglo-Saxons have never experienced Socialism. They have never lived other than as being servants, serving a master. Their entire character is based on servitude. The rich are the gods they are serving.

    They are dying for them because the gods alone can grant a little bit of freedom. Be a good servant and you will eat well.

    The Anglo-Saxons elites, at the same time are all, without exception members of the cult called Freemasonry, which was established on the basis of Judaic Satanism.

    There you have it.

  52. Angleton was the first one in Mary Pinchot Meyer’s house looking for her diary and set up an innocent man to take the fall after she was murdered on her daily walk on the C & O Canal.

    What a despicable human being.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  53. RE: angleton allowing israelis to steal USA nuclear secrets in the 60s:

    a close family member worked for space agency and then nuclear projects in the 50s/60s/70s. always tells the stories of how everything was so tight clearance wise, but when groups of israelis or american jews would show up they would just breeze on in and walk out with top secret information. that was just what it was. it was known.

    no idea how that person lived this long, considering the nuke chems they were around…but the stories remain the same.

  54. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    In glowy dudgeon Anonymous 30 gets up in front of class to give his summer book review. We can infer that the style irritates him. But try as he might, he just can’t seem to debunk the central point about CIA’s unique institutional capacity. The closest he can come is labeling everything in general, as cliches.

    We know exactly how CIA knocks over governments because we’ve seen it 40 times already. So how, exactly, did International Jewry get CIA to do exactly what CIA does all the time all over the world whenever they want, to JFK, when JFK pissed CIA off? If you can’t answer that, you should log off and queue up Zero Dark Thirty again and jerk off to Jessica Chastain’s droopy tranny tits some more. Because you’re never going to be a CIA agent, you’re not smart enough.

    Maybe you can be a cop though, they put caps on the Wonderlic score!

  55. Sparkon says:

    Not one mention here so far, in article or comments either one, about the critical role played by the Secret Service in relaxing or even removing normal security protecting the President’s motorcade during its passage through Dallas.

    That’s where all inquiries into JFK’s assassination should start, not with MOSSAD, not with the CIA or FBI, but with JFK’s own security detail, the Secret Service, which violated many of its own protocols, to say little of common sense, in letting the President of the United States get mowed down by multiple gunmen on the streets of Dallas, Texas, USA on November 22, 1963.

    It was also Secret Service agents who hijacked JFK’s corpse at gunpoint from the legal medical authorities in Dallas, so that crooked autopsies could be conducted in Washington D.C.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  56. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    Good question, 45, Mefobills! You know how? Very simple. Don Gregg went to the hill and told them, knock it off or it’s martial law. Read Jim Eugenio.

  57. anarchyst says:
    @Sparkon

    President Trump was smart in not trusting the Secret Service. Despite objections from the Secret Service and other government types, he interspersed members of his own personal security detail within his Secret Service protection. This is how Trump was able to foil just about any assassination attempt on his life.

  58. Sparkon says:
    @Treg

    James Files’s tall tales have been thoroughly debunked, a lot of it due to the investigative work of Allan Eaglesham, proving that the dented bullet found in Dealey Plaza, the bullet Files claims he bit down on and left on the stockade fence, was manufactured well after Nov. 22, 1963.

    In any event, If Files left the chewed cartridge case where he claimed, why did no one see it sitting there in plain sight when cops and bystanders swarmed over that area after the assassination?

    Nobody saw it because it wasn’t there.

    Files is a BS artist who’s been completely debunked at every turn, but as P.T. Barnum put it “There’s a sucker born every minute,” so don’t feel like the Lone Ranger.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  59. Sean says:

    Over the phone, this bogus “Oswald” referred to an arrangement with Vladimir Kostikov, who was known to the FBI as the officer in charge of assassinations in the United States. These visits and calls were, of course, monitored by the local CIA cell, and would constitute, after November 22, evidence of a Cuban-Soviet conspiracy.

    Thereby leading to the US public demanding military action against the USSR, WW3 and MAD, which explains why the CIA and Warren Commission kept the information secret from the American people. Trump had that particular detail declassified, but the stuff still being kept secret at the CIA’s insistence is along the same lines: Oswald contacting the Cubans and Russians. So they faked it in order to keep it secret from everyone for half a century;

    The alternative explanation is that Oswald’s profile as a Communist assassin was crafted by the conspirators, not for the purpose of starting a war against Cuba and Russia, but for allowing Johnson to bully Federal and State administrations, and even the news community, into closing the investigation quickly

    Yet there is much more that is still classified because as Trump said the CIA ‘gave him no choice. so one wonder why it has not been released. Anyway, an Oswald impersonation hardly proves that the Soviets were not behind JFK’s assassination; Brit lawyer Eddowes authored The Oswald File, in which he claimed that a Soviet agent replaced Oswald during his time in the USSR and returned masquerading as him and it was that Soviet agent who assassinated President Kennedy. Oswald’s wife believed that story and agreed to have him exhumed. Yet Oswald’s Russian wife would have had to be in on the conspiracy along with the FBI agents questioning her because she give a detailed account of Oswald’s plans for a hijacking and his attempt to shoot a right wing retire general though his window.

    Angleton power derived from his control of the CIA Israel station, but that is a very different thing to saying he exercised power on behalf of Israel., indeed while Angleton still trusted Philby, and Israeli visitor was horrified to see Philby in CIA headquarters and brought up to Angleton that Philby had been a committed communist during his stay in 30’s Germany An important practical difficulty for Angleton in mounting an operation of the magnitude of framing Oswald is that Angleton had no people of his own . He had to ask the FBI for surveillance of CIA agent he distrusted, and after numerous such requests the FBI began to simply ignore him.

    Why would anyone in the CIA obey any such an order from Angleton as to frame a former defector to the USSR for the assassination of the President? Even if they had, they would know too much to be left alive after the biggest assassination for the highest stakes ever. Angleton was not Jewish, he was half Mexican, a drunk, and a fervent believer in Soviet intelligence’s ability to co-opt Western intel an counter-intel. Yuri Nosenkow did not defect to the West until 1964.

  60. gotmituns says:
    @Mefobills

    Gettagriponyourself! I don’t read any gibberish by women. The “woman” you’re referring to is probably a childless spinster I’ll bet – the worst kind of woman.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  61. Cohen says:

    Interesting article. Gad more information is coming out on JFK coverup. Based on the available information now it is clear why the assassination investigation papers are sealed for 75 years.

    I wonder what is wrong with us people who are aware of fully aware of Zionist activities and their lack of loyalty to America over Israel. Granted that Zionist money controls and owns the media and politician (also through blackmail) why they dont organize themselves as a truth or facts check movement.

    Case in point with all this big hoopla about Russian Sanctions Israeli Diamond merchants are getting a free handout. Raw Diamonds from Russia are allowed to be polished in Israel and sold in US and Europe. Why dont alternative media talk about it”

  62. Mefobills says:
    @gotmituns

    You are probably right. LoL !

    OK, I take it back.

  63. Towey says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What has that got to do with your being patsies for the Jews for no benefit to the your own people?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  64. @Mefobills

    who was then predictably defeated in his re-election bid

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  65. @Che Guava

    In “Mary’s Mosaic”, author Janney proves that JFK’s affair & LSD usage with Mary Pinchot Meyer opened his eyes to a world that could exist without war.

    https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/american-university-19630610

    5 months later he was killed. And then Angleton had her killed. The book is well worth your time.

    • Thanks: Che Guava
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  66. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Why the Fed Murdered JFK

    by Jon Chance (jpchance [at] egroups.com)

    Monday Dec 2nd, 2002 2:58 PM

    https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/12/02/15469361.php

    [MORE]

    JFK’s efforts to prevent “Pax Americana” and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the banking establishment….

    jfk.gif

    Prior to 1913, there was no Federal Reserve Corporation, no IRS and no personal income tax.

    Yet, most people lived well without the burden of the transnational bankers’ “profitable” wars and taxation without representation.

    When you follow the money, you’ll observe that ultimately most taxes don’t pay for “our” government, but for the private profits of the Federal Reserve Corporation. – JPC

    http://www.ny.frb.org/pihome/orgchart/board

    Letter of the month Re: Executive Order 11110

    http://astridmm.com/prouty

    Col. Prouty,

    Could JFK’s decision to curtail the power of the fed have anything to do with his assassination.

    \$6 trillion seems a good enough reason. The following article may be of interest to you. The original EO was no. 10289.

    Neil Turner.

    ————

    The following article appeared in “The Final Call”, Vol 15, No.6, on January 17, 1996 (USA).

    President Kennedy, the Federal Reserve and Executive Order 11110 by Cedric X:

    On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest.

    On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve.

    Mr. Kennedy’s order gave the Treasury the power “to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.”

    This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury’s vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation.

    In all, Kennedy brought nearly \$4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

    With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business.

    If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes.

    This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything.

    Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money.

    Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

    After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later, no more silver certificates were issued. has learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still valid. Why then has no president utilized it?

    Virtually all of the nearly \$6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963, and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 11110 the debt would be nowhere near the current level.

    Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve’s control over the creation of money.

    Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt – war and the creation of money by a privately-owned central bank.

    His efforts to have all troops out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 11110 would have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York banking establishment.

    As America’s debt reaches unbearable levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase America’s debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 11110 and, if so, is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?

    (All Readers are urged to obtain a copy of Executive Order 11110 by contacting their Congressional representative, it is dated June 4, 1963.)

    ————

    Reply From Col. Prouty to Neil Turner:

    Thanks for your good question Neil,

    Your comment about “The power of the Fed” as a factor in the over-all decision to assassinate JFK is correct. Do you recall the line at the beginning of the conversation of Garrison and Man X in Washington in Stone’s movie “JFK”?

    Jim Garrison asks, “How do you think it all started?”

    Man X (Prouty) responds, “I think it started in the wind. Money — arms, big oil, Pentagon people, contractors, bankers, politicians like L.B.J. were committed to a war in Southeast Asia.

    As early as ’61 they knew Kennedy was going to change things… He was not going to war in Southeast Asia. Who knows? Probably some boardroom or luncheon somewhere – Houston, New York — hell, maybe Bonn, Germany… who knows, it’s international now.”

    You’re correct, and the above is what I wrote for Oliver Stone. It is what I believe from my experience. And, you are correct to go back to Exec. Order no. 11110. That money JFK put into circulation was an enormous challenge to the business world.

    I am a graduate of the American Bankers Assn “Graduate School of Banking” at the University of Wisconsin and I have heard some of the top bankers, such as Arthur Burns lecture. That was in the late Sixties; but you could still feel the stress of those JFK years in what they had to say.

    JFK was serious about getting “all Americans” out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. That was NSAM 263 and my boss General Victor Krulak, with the JCS, had worked on that document. Even the Pentagon Papers made an attempt to conceal NSAM #263.

    In addition to the references you have cited, may I suggest that you get the “Foreign Relations of the united States. 1961-1963, Volume IV, VIETNAM, August-December 1963” from the US Gov’t Printing Office and see what it was all about in those days.

    ————

    2) Len: You have made a good comment about the use of the “\$220 to \$570 billion: potential of the war in Vietnam. It’s a good point that requires an understanding of the inside talk in a place like the Pentagon.

    For example: No less than “4,865 U.S. helicopters were lost in the war.” Source: “The World Almanac of the VIETNAM WAR” 1985. At a cost of “250,000 each” that is some \$1,316,250,000. In addition 3720 conventional aircraft were lost at much greater cost. That’s basic usually sucjh losses are replaced more than doubling the cost.

    In the military we always figure that in the “life of type” of military equipment about ten times as much money is spent to keep it in operation and to support it as it cost initially. Use that kind of perfectly valid thinking and the numbers grow fast.

    I recall at the end of 1963 we had a few more than 16,000 military personnel in Vietnam. Of that number no more than 1,500 were actually combat tuype men. The others were just expensive support such as maintenance men, supply depot men, hospitals, etc. Recall that later that number grew to 550,000 in Vietnam. More than 10,000,000 military personnel were flown to Saigon by commercial aircraft during the thirty years of our involvement.

    I have a Report that was made to Congress that reveals that no less than \$51 billion were stolen one way or another during the Vietnam war.

    So when some budget worker gives a figure he cites what he has on the books as the “initial spending” for the cost of the war. Meanwhile the over-all books easily multiply that. So in some testimony before the Congress the figure might be \$220 billion, while in another context an over-all figure of \$550 billion will be used. Both are correct for different reasons.

    How much did your car cost you? How much have you spent on it, or will you have spent on it during its life cycle?

    L. Fletcher Prouty

    ————

    TREASURY

    http://egroups.com/group/jpchance/links/Treasury_000993420879

    9-11 INVESTIGATION

    http://egroups.com/group/jpchance/links/9_11_Investigation_001021231891

    http://egroups.com/group/jpchance

  67. anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

    Geokat, an informed individual like yourself doubtless understands the institutional underpinnings of CIA impunity, starting with the National Security Act. CIA has had arbitrary power from inception. How exactly did the Zionazis yoke this organization that exerts lawless arbitrary power over the dominant nuclear hegemon of the time?

    Did they trick them?

    No, they’re not actually all that smart.

    Did they intimidate them?

    Of course not, Israel is a pissant statelet, a one-nuke laydown.

    Did they bribe them?

    CIA takes whatever it wants, starting with buried Jap spoils. Countries worldwide pay CIA protection money, to Nugan Hand, BCCI, the Clinton Foundation. They run two, three, four, sets of books. CIA can buy and sell world Jewry.

    The Zionazis do what they always do to power – they sucked up to it, volunteered to help. And that is what you see them doing, helping CIA kill JFK.

    This unsupported presumption of Jew rule is delusional.

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @geokat62
  68. @CelestiaQuesta

    “it’s easier to use opioids and big pharma to do their dirty work.(((Frankenshots)))”

    More profitable too.

  69. @DCThrowback

    JFK tripping out on LSD with his CIA wife lover in the White House. JFK was a reckless dude who knew his time was short.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  70. ariadna says:
    @anon

    A troll who has not mastered pronouns (“when him and Carr were in the army.”

  71. geokat62 says:

    Besides Efraim Halevy (on the right in the top picture)…

    You must’ve meant “on the left.”

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  72. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

    Angleton is remembered in the U.S. as a mentally unstable man who caused irreparable damage to the CIA’s efficiency and reputation. In contrast, he is remembered in Israel as a great benefactor of the Zionist state. Here is an extract from the Washington Post report about a ceremony held in his honor in Jerusalem after his death. Although it was supposedly secret, a couple of Israeli reporters, including Andy Court of the Jerusalem Post, had been tipped off and attended:

    The head of the pathologically secretive spy agency, the Mossad, was there, as was his counterpart with Shin Bet, the Israeli internal security service. Five former heads of those agencies and three former military intelligence chiefs were also present. Their mission: to pay final tribute to a beloved member of their covert fraternity — the late CIA chief of counterintelligence, James Jesus Angleton. . . . Following the planting [of trees], the group gathered again in Jerusalem behind the King David Hotel at a scenic spot not far from the walls of the Old City that Angleton often visited on his trips here. There they dedicated a memorial stone that read, in English, Hebrew and Arabic: “In memory of a dear friend, James (Jim) Angleton.” . . .

    Most interesting that they omitted his middle name JESUS!

  73. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    This unsupported presumption of Jew rule is delusional.

    Unsupported? Prof. MacDonald did a stellar job supporting this thesis in his trilogy:

    1. A People That Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy, With Diaspora Peoples

    2. Separation and Its Discontents: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Anti-Semitism

    3. The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements

  74. Cking says:

    Wow, first I heard of the Mossad-Nixon connection. How and why was Israel involved in the Watergate ‘Get Nixon’ operation? Was Nixon not sufficiently Zionist? Does anyone remember the supposed Kissinger/Angleton rivalry? I think it was published in the New York magazine, with each accusing the other of being a mole, spy, and/or traitor.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  75. anon[100] • Disclaimer says:

    Ariadna, I apologize. I should have remembered that left-wing glowies are very sensitive about pronouns. Ariadna’s a little shaky on latinity for her classical Greek transcription, but hey, who cares?

    Did Her Grace Princess Ἀριάδνη understand the analogy that displeases her so, in any greater depth than reflexively pushing your troll button? CIA had means, motive and opportunity to kill JFK; their fingerprints are all over his corpse and his fake autopsy skull; but really some foreign parasites did it, and fooled them, or made them do it, or something.

    You seem unable to make your case that international Jewry is the problem and not the criminal enterprise that rules your country.

  76. @Anonymous12890

    Don’t forget the suspicious death of William Colby – in a canoeing “Accident.”

    Also check out the book by Edward T. Haslam, “Dr. Mary’s Monkey” and the book by Judyth Vary Baker, “Me & Lee.”

  77. Sparkon says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    Here’s what that “reckless dude” said in 1954:

    But to pour money, materiel, and men into the jungles of Indochina without at least a remote prospect of victory would be dangerously futile and self-destructive. Of course, all discussion of “united action” assumes that inevitability of such victory; but such assumptions are not unlike similar predictions of confidence which have lulled the American people for many years and which, if continued, would present an improper basis for determining the extent of American participation.

    Remarks of Senator John F. Kennedy on Indochina before the Senate, Washington, D.C., April 6, 1954

    John Kennedy had visited Vietnam already in 1951.

    Caption: The Politician: In 1951, JFK (in rear right) in Vietnam on a fact finding tour with the French. Kennedy was critical of U.S. support of the French there, saying, “We have allied ourselves to the desperate effort of a French regime to hang on to the remnants of empire.”

    https://www.historyplace.com/kennedy/politician-vietnam-tour.htm

    Pres. Kennedy didn’t need LSD or anything but his own keen perceptions to know that the effort in Vietnam was doomed. Just as it had been for the French, so too it would be for the United States.

    Planning for a troop withdrawal began in July 1962, culminating in NSAM 263, issued by Pres. Kennedy in early October 1963, ordering almost all U.S. military personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965, with the first 500 pulling out by the end of 1963.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @gotmituns
  78. Durruti says:
    @Che Guava

    JFK was a major war-monger, and supported the same domestic policies as his successor implemented

    Do not have the time for detailed response. You are not 50% incorrect about the Kennedys, not 65%, not even 99%. You are 100% incorrect.

    The Kennedys were assassinated FOR A REASON. You figure it out. The assassination of JFK was the KEY crime that destroyed, utterly, our Republic! As with the ‘Marxist Lemonists’ I referred to in my comment-above, you have the same approach – of DENIAL, of DENIAL of History, as them.

    Come on Che Guava. You can do better than that!

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  79. anon[973] • Disclaimer says:

    Geokat62, So how exactly did the Jews take over CIA? They can’t very well run the country without controlling the command structure of its totalitarian state, can they? Listing book titles does not answer my question, as you know, eminent though Professor MacDonald indubitably is.

    What documented events evince Jews taking over CIA?

    Have the Jews ever made CIA do anything it didn’t want to do?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  80. geokat62 says:
    @Cking

    How and why was Israel involved in the Watergate ‘Get Nixon’ operation? Was Nixon not sufficiently Zionist?

    Tell me if you think he was insufficiently Zionist after hearing this very brief tape recording…

    PRESIDENT NIXON ON THE JEWS



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Cking
  81. gotmituns says:
    @Sparkon

    Planning for a troop withdrawal began in July 1962, culminating in NSAM 263, issued by Pres. Kennedy in early October 1963, ordering almost all U.S. military personnel out of Vietnam by the end of 1965, with the first 500 pulling out by the end of 1963.
    ——————————————————————————————————
    Yep, that’s what got him killed.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  82. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    What documented events evince Jews taking over CIA?

    “Documented events?” Hmmm. Now, where have we heard this interesting turn of phrase, before?

    Oh, yes, I remember…

    “Our Purpose Was To Document The Event” – Dancing Israelis on 9/11

  83. Sam Smith says:
    @Mefobills

    The so-called “Temperance Movement” was sponsored and initiated by John D. Rockefeller, a MAN last time I checked, with \$4 million dollars (at lot of money in 1918).

    The specific purpose was to kill the alcohol competition from American farmers to his nascent gasoline (from his waste kerosine) business. Henry Ford’s model T original ran on alcohol first, then alcohol or gasoline second.

    But after Prohibition was finally lifted in 1933, all cars ran on Rockefeller’s gasoline.

    As they say, Mission Accomplished!

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  84. geokat62 says:
    @gotmituns

    Yep, that’s what got him killed.

    I think that reason fell lower on their list of priorities.

    Like any good gumshoe worth his salt, the first question he asks himself after arriving at the crime scene is Cui bono, who benefits?

    In the case of the JFK assassination, there was clearly one very large beneficiary that stood out above the rest, Israel.

    By Nov 1963, JFK had two big strikes against him:

    1. In 1963 President Kennedy demanded that Ben-Gurion end Israel’s nuclear deterrent program. Kennedy warned in a letter dated May 18, 1963, that unless American inspectors were allowed into Israel’s Dimona facility, Israel would find itself totally isolated. “We are concerned with the disturbing effects on world stability which would accompany the development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel… It is because of our preoccupation with this problem that my Government has sought to arrange with you for periodic visits to Dimona.” As it turned out, his following reassurance fell on deaf ears “As I made clear in my press conference of May 8, we have a deep commitment to the security of Israel.”

    2. In 1963 President Kennedy demanded that the American Zionist Council register under FARA as a foreign agent. In a letter dated October 17, 1963 (one month before JFK’s assassination), Judge Rifkind (a representative of the AZC), responded to the Kennedy Administration’s demand: “… it was the opinion of most of the persons affiliated with the Council that such registration would be so publicized by the American Council on Judaism that it would eventually destroy the Zionist movement.”

    Along with the quote by AZC Representative Judge Rifkind, here is the infamous quote by Jack Ruby’s (born Jacob Rubinstein) rabbi, Hillel Silverman:

    “I was shocked,” said Silverman. “I visited him the next day in jail, and I said, ‘Why, Jack, why?’ He said, ‘I did it for the American people.’”

    I interrupted Silverman, pointing out that other reports had Ruby saying he did it “to show that Jews had guts.” The rabbi sighed.

    “Yes, he mentioned that,” Silverman said. “But I don’t like to mention it. I think he said, ‘I did it for the Jewish people.’ But I’ve tried to wipe that statement from my mind.”

    https://forward.com/news/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  85. anon[146] • Disclaimer says:

    Geokat, thanks for the nostalgic reminder of Jews celebrating the success of Richard Blee’s daring plot! CIA infiltrated and protected the putative hijackers, as you know from reading Fenton’s Disconnecting the Dots. CIA severed FAA’s link to DoD by employing an official blacklisted terrorist on a MITRE contract. Furture DCI Brennan ran OPSEC for the Saudi agents. CIA maintained safe houses for the saboteurs and terrorists in Sarasota and Fort Lee.

    This is another fine example of Izzies helping CIA by doing their dirtiest dirty work and running home.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  86. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    CIA infiltrated and protected the putative hijackers, as you know from reading Fenton’s Disconnecting the Dots.

    They must’ve been working hand in hand with their senior partners, Mossad, who infiltrated and protected the putative hijackers, as you know from reading Gerald Shea’s riveting MOU…

    http://www.antiwar.com/rep2/MemorandumtotheCommissionandSelectCommitteesbold.pdf

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  87. geokat62 says:

    Here’s the list of anons with whom I’ve had exchanges thus far: 402, 267, 132, 973, 146

    Five more and I think we’ll have enough for a minyan, lol.

  88. JoeyI says:

    The Israelis probably had a lot of dirt on Angleton. He could have been closeted or a pedo. There’s a good chance this creep provided Israel with intelligence/satellite photos prior to the 1967 war.

    • Agree: Mevashir
  89. Mefobills says:
    @Sam Smith

    But after Prohibition was finally lifted in 1933, all cars ran on Rockefeller’s gasoline.

    As they say, Mission Accomplished!

    How about that! I’m not surprised, these people always are doing something to feather their bed.

    Rockefeller et al probably also wound up the women using emotional appeals, just like today:

    https://dp.la/primary-source-sets/women-and-the-temperance-movement

    The movement began in the 1820s, rooted in Protestant churches, led by clergy and prominent laymen, and powered by women volunteers

  90. gatobart says:

    The one thing I have never understood even after having tons of books and watched every movie and documentary on the matter is why why, why they had to assassinator him, and assassinate him in broad daylight in full view of the entire world, if what they wanted was to simply terminate him, i.e. terminate his presidency. And the more powerful the people you include in your own conspiracy theory is, the more unlikely it becomes. Was it so hard to tell some minion to slip a pill in his coffee when no one was looking…? That way he would have gone peacefully and without a noise. After all, if they could hijack an entire military hospital to stage a supposedly fake autopsy, would have been that hard to do the same had the man died from intoxication or poisoning…? That is the main trouble one has with JFK assassinations conspiracies, that the more power the people who wanted him gone held the less the need to complicate themselves with such an elaborate plot, going to the extreme of having to write and stage an entire subplot for the actions and movements of the designated patsy not only months before the event but even for days after it, always running the risk that something could go wrong, that for example the man could start chirping away during those presentation in front of the entire world media.

    There was this Pope who took office in the Vatican after Pious XII, Jean Paul I, who started with great ideas about bringing revolutionary changes to the Catholic Church to take it to the XX Century, and who didn’t have any qualms about sharing them with the entire world. Then he mysteriously passed away in his sleep just one month after his coronation as leader of the Church. He died, that’s a pity, it is sad, now let’s move on. And no one ever talked afterwards about a conspiracy to get rid of him. Why couldn’t they do it the same way…? Some conspiracy writer came up with a rather novel idea to explain it. See, the Europeans poison their enemies by tradition. In the U.S. they shoot them dead. So they had to kill JFK the Far West way to keep up with tradition.

    In the end, it doesn’t make sense. Because even if they wanted him out without even hurting him they still had the possibility of creating a presidency-ending sexual scandal, for which they didn’t lack material, just the Marilyn Monroe story would have been enough.

    In the end, the most likely explanation i can find after so much research and pondering is that JFK, and his bro Bob, had simply made too many enemies, too many people had come to hate them both with a passion, and that included people in the highest offices, LBJ, Hoover, the Dulles, etc. And even if they weren’t the ones who plotted and were directly involved, those with their hands on the levels of power simply let things happen, looked the other way, Hoover more than anyone else. Fletcher Prouty, who worked as a consultant for Oliver Stone for the making of JFK holds a view pretty much like this one. He puts it this way: the people in charge of the security for the president withdrew the Pretorian Guard so leaving the way open for his assassins. They were their enablers. I may also add my own grain of salt. With his whoring habits JFK had turned into a real nightmare for the people who had to care for the security and the timely availability of the secret codes that would be used in case of unleashing a nuclear attack, the proverbial briefcase of Doom, and the whole thing may have been born out of the fear that his sexual indiscretions could have put in great danger the security not only of the US but that of the entire world. But that is just me.

  91. RJJCDA says:

    By following the links in Index listings in many books about intelligence agency histories, one comes to the conclusion that the CIA. MI6 and the Mossad were ALL run at the deepest levels by the Globalist elites. Just check the refences to the connections between Angleton, Philby and Nicholas Elliott. So Epstein’s career and actions become explicable.

  92. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

    https://irishwriting.wordpress.com/tag/james-angleton/

    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/11/golem-angleton-israel/
    The special relationship between the United States and Israel is usually viewed as the product of great forces, the imperial interests of the United States in the cold war and the work of establishment Jewish groups after Israel’s two regional wars 50 years ago. But individuals play a part, too; and a new biography of the secretive CIA official James Angleton shows the power that a non-Jewish rightwing nationalist played in knitting the two countries together, and building up Israel.

    “Angleton was was a leading architect of America’s strategic relationship with Israel that endures and dominates the region to this day,” Jefferson Morley writes in The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton. More than any other man, the longtime chief of U.S. counterintelligence made possible Israel’s shift “from an embattled settler state into a strategic ally of the world’s greatest superpower.”

    Angleton did so chiefly by burying any effort in the U.S. intelligence establishment to question Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons in the 1960s. “Angleton’s loyalty to Israel betrayed U.S. policy on an epic scale,” Morley writes. “Instead of supporting U.S. nuclear security policy, he ignored it.”

    Could one person effect such significant policy? It is the persuasive argument of this book that a man as willful and brilliant (and twisted) as Angleton was able in the 1960s to acquire such position inside the executive branch that he could control vital flows of information. And Angleton reasoned that intelligence-sharing between the countries was more valuable to the United States than thwarting Israel’s path to becoming a regional superpower….

  93. Sparkon says:
    @geokat62

    Like any good gumshoe worth his salt, the first question he asks himself after arriving at the crime scene is Cui bono, who benefits?

    Yes, that’s always the right question, but you’ve come up with the wrong answer.

    By far the greatest beneficiaries of Pres. Kennedy’s assassination were Lyndon Johnson, who not only avoided prison, he also became President, and his pals in the Military Industrial Complex, who made billions supplying weapons and infrastructure to U.S. forces during the Vietnam War.

    After all, Lyndon Johnson was in very hot water indeed because of the Billy Sol Estes and Bobby Baker scandals.

    On 22nd November, 1963, a friend of Baker’s, Don B. Reynolds told B. Everett Jordan and his Senate Rules Committee that Johnson had demanded that he provided kickbacks in return for this business. This included a \$585 Magnavox stereo. Reynolds also had to pay for \$1,200 worth of advertising on KTBC, Johnson’s television station in Austin. Reynolds had paperwork for this transaction including a delivery note that indicated the stereo had been sent to the home of Johnson. Reynolds also told of seeing a suitcase full of money which Baker described as a “\$100,000 payoff to Johnson for his role in securing the Fort Worth TFX contract”.

    Reynolds’ testimony came to an end when news arrived that President John F. Kennedy had been assassinated. “Reynolds was stunned. If President Kennedy was dead, then Lyndon Johnson, the man about whom he had been talking, was President of the United States.” Reynolds told his lawyer: “Giving testimony involving the Vice President is one thing, but when it involves the President himself, that is something else. You can just forget that I ever said if you want to.”

    https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKbakerB.htm

    [my bold]

    I don’t doubt that Israel could have had a motive to kill JFK, but since its agent Mathilde Krim was having a close personal relationship with LBJ, and given the probability that the MOSSAD would have been aware of right-wing plots to kill Pres. Kennedy, I think it’s plausible that the Israelis stood aside, kept their hands fairly clean, and let others do the dirty work.

    Can you identify any connection between Israel and the Secret Service?

    What about Richard Nixon? He was in Dallas when JFK was assassinated, but subsequently told several fibs claiming he’d already departed the city before Kennedy was killed.

    And George H.W. Bush for a long time couldn’t remember where he’d been on November 22, 1963, even though he and Barbara were staying at a Dallas hotel. Later, Barbara Bush remembered that George had been giving a speech that day.

    Psst: And those at George’s speech were probably all reading his lips.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Cking
  94. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:

  95. Mevashir [AKA "Song Dynasty"] says:
    @gatobart

    I may also add my own grain of salt. With his whoring habits JFK had turned into a real nightmare for the people who had to care for the security and the timely availability of the secret codes that would be used in case of unleashing a nuclear attack, the proverbial briefcase of Doom, and the whole thing may have been born out of the fear that his sexual indiscretions could have put in great danger the security not only of the US but that of the entire world. But that is just me.

    I totally agree with you. Apparently one of his paramours was a known East German spy. I think that one point of assassinating him so brazenly in broad daylight was a warning to others. This is something that the power elite Jews like to do. Rubbing your face in the humiliation and flaunting their chutzpa.

  96. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress.

    You really don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Don’t say things a stupid idiot would say.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  97. geokat62 says:
    @gatobart

    The one thing I have never understood even after having tons of books and watched every movie and documentary on the matter is why why, why they had to assassinator him, and assassinate him in broad daylight in full view of the entire world, if what they wanted was to simply terminate him, i.e. terminate his presidency. And the more powerful the people you include in your own conspiracy theory is, the more unlikely it becomes. Was it so hard to tell some minion to slip a pill in his coffee when no one was looking…? That way he would have gone peacefully and without a noise.

    I think Rick Wiles’ (TruNews founder and host) explanation of why Lyndon Johnson ordered the stand down that prevented the rescue of the Liberty may provide the answer to your query:

    But, what you just described, this is a pattern that’s been going on for decades. We had a discussion a couple of weeks ago about John F. Kennedy. I knew that John F. Kennedy was opposed to Israel getting nuclear weapons. But, I didn’t know that there were heated arguments between Kennedy and the Israelis, right up until he died. Ben Gurion refused to meet with Kennedy… gave excuses: “Oh, it’s Passover, I can’t meet with you right now.” Kennedy was getting upset with the Israelis. And I read that there were Israeli military leaders who feared that Kennedy was going to send American commandos into Israel to seize the Dimona nuclear research facility. So, what happened to Kennedy? He gets his head blown off, in daylight. We could do hours of shows about this… about the Israeli connection. Jack Rubinstein. His name’s not Jack Ruby. It was Jack Rubinstein. He worked for Mayer Lansky, who ran the jewish mafia. There’s all kinds of connections, here. But, behind Kennedy’s car, in the motorcade, was Lyndon B Johnson… What I think is that.. I think Lyndon Johnson never was able to erase from his mind the crack of a rifle. He heard it. Think about Johnson. He heard the rifle shots. I think when he went into the White House, he knew who killed Kennedy… And that’s why, in my view, that’s why Lyndon Johnson ordered a stand down. It wasn’t that he didn’t want to embarrass Israel, he wanted to keep his skull intact… And every president since is terrified of them.

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @Wizard of Oz
  98. Corvinus says:
    @Just another serf

    We do understand what was written. Churchill was no angel, but Hitler was responsible on large part for WW2.

    • Replies: @Dave Wightman
  99. @Towey

    If that’s what you want to make your real point then you should know more about Australia which only has a small Jewish population and a political system much less favourable to dominance by Jewish (or any particular lobby’s) money. That is not to say that Jewish money does not get behind both major parties but we have compulsory voting and the system has allowed a Labor Fireign Minister to come our as pro Palestinian and aiberal ex PM To declare that the USS Liberty was deliberately targeted. Of course Australia’s support for the US in Iraq was indirectly support for Israel because we felt we had to continue to line up with the US for our long term protection.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  100. Sam Smith says:

    The thing about the assassination of JFK is not that complicated.

    What are the chances of a Jew (Abraham Zapruder) being the one person out of millions at the right place at the right time with the proper filming camera to film (document) the assassination of a US president on November 22, 1963? Luck? Then being a Jew must be very lucky indeed!

    What are the chances of another Jew (Jack “Ruby” Rubenstein) being the guy at the right place and at the right time to take out the CIA patsy (Lee Harvey Oswald).

    What are the chances that another Jew (Oliver Stone) directs the pivotal movie on the JFK assassination (the movie JFK is to the JFK assassination what the movie Schindler’s List is to the “Holocaust”) which showcases every conspiracy imaginable about the JFK assassination . . . except one: the Jewish involvement? And what are the chances that his JFK movie was “green-lighted” by a fellow Jew (Arnon Milchan) who just happens to be directly involved with the smuggling of illegal nuclear weapon parts for the Israeli nuclear weapons program . . . before he turned into a Hollywood movie producer?

    The killing of JFK had many players, but the prime reasons was to get rid of him as he was getting in the way of Israel’s illegal nuclear weapons program. The Jewish part was the key.

    The CIA benefitted because not only was it not going to be “shattered into a thousand pieces” as JFK threatened, but the new and improved CIA became one of the key components of the so-called “deep state” or more correctly the “US National Security State”.

    The US MIC benefitted because it got the Vietnam war and all the subsequent wars . . . including the proxy war in Ukraine today.

    Lyndon Johnson benefitted because if JFK had survived, Johnson would have been put in jail . . . instead of whipping out his di*k on Air Force One!

    • Replies: @Durruti
  101. “Treason doth never prosper; what’s the reason?
    For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

    Sir John Harrington, about 400 years ago. Some things never change.

  102. Skeptikal says:
    @gotmituns

    “I don’t read anything written by female women of the human species. ”

    I suppose that means you read things written by nonfemale women of other species.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  103. @Corvinus

    200 US corporations provided financial support for Hitler. Among them were Standard Oil, Ford Motors, the Rockerfellers,
    Prescott Bush, and other captains of US industry. Without their monetary support, he could never have lasted 6 months. So tell me again who is responsible for WWII? The guy who pays or hires the hitman is just as guilty as the hitman. And the EU, that was Hitler’s vision, and it has come to pass even though he was not around to see it. And Hitler’s goal was to bring down Soviet communism, and that has also come to pass! So long term, Hitler actually won the war in Europe. His goal of moving the jews to the middle east has also come true. And he did commision the volkswagon- another giant success. I didn’t see churchill making anything near to the accomplishments of Hitler. If the US would not have entered the war via False Flag Pearl Harbor, the Brits would be speaking German right this minute!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Corvinus
  104. @anon

    “when him and Carr were in the army”

    Standards slipping badly at Hasbara College.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  105. Sam Smith says:
    @gatobart

    “The one thing I have never understood even after having tons of books and watched every movie and documentary on the matter is why why, why they had to assassinator him, and assassinate him in broad daylight in full view of the entire world, if what they wanted was to simply terminate him, i.e. terminate his presidency.”

    The JFK assassination was a PUBLIC DEMONSTRATION . . . a message understood by all subsequent US and Allied presidents: Do NOT mess with us!

    • Replies: @lloyd
  106. Abbybwood says:
    @geokat62

    He had me right up to the page where he mentioned Arab hijackers, the plane hitting the Pentagon, the airplane “crash” in PA.

    Oh well.

  107. @Wizard of Oz

    If you still find Ruby’s conduct inexplicable I respectfully suggest you have a very long way to go in your investigation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  108. anon[980] • Disclaimer says:

    Geokat62, thanks for that memo in 88, I recall it and the brief tizzy it raised. So with CIA counterintelligence sitting on their thumbs as foreign agents swarmed conspicuously over CONUS, and Alec Station actively squelching alerts from federal law enforcement and foreign intelligence cadres including Isser Harel, Dominik Suter, Benjamin Netanyahu, Randy Glass, Hassan Dabou, and Alain Chouet,

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/foreignwarnings.html

    not to mention the Russian head of state,

    https://www.rt.com/news/468133-putin-warned-bush-911/

    who in CIA was reporting to whom in Mossad, exactly? That’s a lot to keep a lid on. It would require close coordination with DO’s superiors in Mossad. And how exactly did Mossad ensure positive control over the numerous CIA officials and focal points to keep them standing down or fucking up in such intricate concert? Does Mossad compartment the IN-SAPs and other black programs for CIA?

    I ask because you seem certain that CIA is the junior partner here. Even though CIA can legally pinch off all aid to Israel at a moment’s notice, with a quick finding to their presidential puppet ruler based on the Leahy Law or the Symington-Glenn Amendment. Even though CIA seems able to coordinate this exploit quite competently on their own without another layer of management. You evidently have inside knowledge at the ECI/SI level. Because if you cannot substantiate the information and control flows that subordinate CIA, your Mossad ideations start to sound a bit, well, schizophrenic.

  109. Durruti says:
    @Sam Smith

    Awesome comment: Nicely done.

    What are the chances of a Jew (Abraham Zapruder) being the one person out of millions at the right place at the right time with the proper filming camera to film (document) the assassination of a US president on November 22, 1963?

    Not to mention the Israeli Film Crew – on the spot in time to see the planes crashing into the Twin Towers on 9/11. “What are the chances”???

  110. geokat62 says:
    @Sparkon

    Yes, that’s always the right question, but you’ve come up with the wrong answer.

    Wrong answer, huh? For those who refuse to be deceived by hasbarists, I encourage you to read one of the biggest truth teller’s thesis on who was behind the JFK assassination. Here’s a link to Michael Collins Piper’s Final Judgment

    https://ia802304.us.archive.org/8/items/final-judgment-michael-collins-piper/Final_Judgment%20Michael%20Collins%20Piper.pdf

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  111. @Chuck Orloski

    And when JJA entered her house, he encountered Ben Bradley, so both of them were burglarizing her house simultaneously. Odds against that?

  112. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:

    Why is it so difficult for so many to accept the fact that one determined rifleman, with a mind of his own, can reek political havoc. Oswald was just a silly little communist as described by Jacqueline Kennedy after JFK’s assassination, but Oswald did have some accomplishments in his short life. He did serve for a time in the USMC where he became proficient with a rifle and he did live in the USSR for a short time where he met his wife.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
    , @Anon
  113. I have read that Angleton loved games and puzzles and in the JFK plot I think that you can see the mind of a master puzzle maker. The Kennedys had a reputation as tough and shrewd politicians but I don’t think that they ever perceived the danger that they were in from the very start. They knew that LBJ was a psychopath and I understand they wanted to dump him in 1964 but they probably never thought that he would help kill them. And they obviously underestimated the evil from Israel. Piper laid it out pretty well and I have seen nothing in the intervening years to make me think otherwise.

  114. geokat62 says:
    @Dave Wightman

    The guy who pays or hires the hitman is just as guilty as the hitman.

    I’d say the guy who pays or hires the hit man is more guilty as he’s the instigator of the criminal act. The hit man simply executes the former’s will.

  115. Corvinus says:
    @Dave Wightman

    “200 US corporations provided financial support for Hitler.”

    “Without their monetary support, he could never have lasted 6 months.”

    Hitler had borrowed money from German banks to finance internal improvement in infrastructure. Certainly outside financial resources aided in his efforts to rebuild the economy, which was

    “So tell me again who is responsible for WWII? The guy who pays or hires the hitman is just as guilty as the hitman.”

    Hitler was more culpable. He ordered Germany to invade free countries, which led to millions of deaths, including women and children.

    “And the EU, that was Hitler’s vision”

    The content of such plans would have to be interpreted very differently in the context of a Nazi-dominated Europe. Hitler’s “Europe” was a profoundly hegemonic construction, with Germany at the center of an expanding empire, with every nation within that empire subservient to Hitler.

    ” So long term, Hitler actually won the war in Europe”

    Communism was gaining steam during Hitler’s reign. He assuredly did not contributed to its deminse by the early 1990’s.

    “His goal of moving the jews to the middle east has also come true.”

    Through coercion and force.

  116. Sparkon says:
    @geokat62

    For those who refuse to be deceived by hasbarists,

    Typical dodge with false accusations, and name calling…

    I notice you failed to address even one of my many points about LBJ and the MIC being the primary beneficiaries of JFK’s assassination, and instead you tell me to go read a book, a fallacious appeal to authority.

    So I’ll tell you to go fly a kite.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  117. lloyd says: • Website

    James Angelton’s second name Jesus caught my eye. I googled and found his parents met in Arizona and his mother was Carmen Moreno. His family were U S military and James spent his childhood in Milan. Unz Review rarely mentions the Catholic angle. But the Catholic angle was hugely important in the Cold War. Officials and military of Catholic upbringing saw a holy war to restore Mother Russia to the Church even though Orthodox. Protestants with evangelical exceptions like Luce were more cynical and appeased about the Cold War. A French general sabotaged Ho Chi Minh’s peace initiatives and plunged France into a colonial war in Vietnam. I recall reading the Dulles brothers were Catholics. The Kennedys were originally hard line cold war warriors and their main complaint against the Republicans was they were too soft on Communism. Then there was Pope John Paul 11 who brought down Godless Communism in his native Poland and eventually the fall of the Soviet Empire.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  118. gatobart says:
    @geokat62

    I kind of agree on one thing, that the way Kennedy was killed suggests some kind of stern warning to others. The people behind it (if not the people who allowed it just because they hated his guts and were satisfied with just getting out of the way of the killers) seemed not only to have hated JFK with a passion but they also wanted to make some point perfectly clear, most likely that JFK had crossed some red line. And nothing says that there was JUST ONE of those lines he had crossed. Think about it.

    Many years ago some retired Baltimore Chief of Homicides came to this city in a North American tour promoting his memories containing his experiences of many decades in the force and he also gave newspaper interviews. And there is one thing he said that stuck in mind and that I never forgot. To solve a murder, forget who benefits, who hated the victim, forget the obvious suspect. The clue to solve it is in the method. Study the method and you’ll find the murderer. At the time popular culture was still stuck in the traditional paradigm which best representative was Lt. Columbo, and in which murders were solved with pure brain power, displaying an analytical mind. But then a more realistic approach took over where murders were solved mostly using forensic evidence and best represented in the CSI and NCIS TV series (“The murderer carried the victim on the shoulders for half a mile but our victim weighed 200 lbs, and or main suspect weighs only 120”). In other words, popular Tv proved the Baltimore Homicide Chiefs right. The crime itself carries the clues for its solving.

    In the case of the JFK assassination I detect two things in the method that I’d consider clues. First, the actual killers had no chance of physically approaching the president. That’s the typical feature of ambushes, that the killers try to use whatever opportunity they got to get close enough of the target. The killing of SS Heydrich, the attempted killings of Gen. De Gaulle in 1962 and of Gen. Pinochet in 1985 follow this pattern. They were all executed by guerrillas or clandestine resistance groups. The other feature in Plaza Dealey is rather unique in this kind of event and even comes to contradicts the first, and that is the complicity after the fact at many levels of government, city, State and federal, which would make of this assassination a very weird hybrid. It would have been perpetrated by outlaws, fringe groups, rogue operatives, but under the protection of very powerful people. That is exactly what Fletcher Prouty suggested, the only possible way to make the pieces of this puzzle fit, the only script that makes sense. That would explain why, while being so badly staged (the handling and the framing of the patsy was a total joke) they could get away with such humongous comedy of errors anyway.

    On what I don’t agree is on putting this crime entirely on the hands of the Israelis, considering not only the place, the State, the city, where this took place but also the fact that many of its participants couldn’t have been accused of being too fond of Zion. The Dallas PD for ex. But the main reason why I don’t believe it is that there were just too many people lusting for a piece of JFK that when the Mossad tried to get into business, if they ever did it, they surely found a long waiting line they had to get into. In the end, as someone put it, JFK had stepped on just too many toes during his career, not counting those his father and brother had also.

    Indira Gandhi put it in so many words: JFK died because he lost the backing of his peers. Poor woman, so sharp at detecting the failings of another Head of State and then too shortsighted to follow her own advice, when he allowed herself to keep a Pretorian Guard entirely made of Sikhs, the same Sikhs which most sacred temple, their Vatican, she had ordered to be stormed by the military with the resulting violent death of many of their monks. She also met a Plaza Dealey kind of end, this one private, at home, in her quarters, but I digress.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  119. Jimmy4 says:

    Thanks for this, Mr. Guyenot. Your articles are always interesting, and this one doesn’t disappoint.

  120. @gatobart

    Was it so hard to tell some minion to slip a pill in his coffee when no one was looking…? That way he would have gone peacefully and without a noise.

    While Kennedy suffered serious health problems throughout his life, he was seen by the public as a vigorous and sharp-witted statesman.  It would have looked too suspicious if he just dropped dead out of the blue at only 46 years of age.

    There was this Pope who took office in the Vatican after Pious XII, Jean Paul I…Then he mysteriously passed away in his sleep just one month after his coronation as leader of the Church. He died, that’s a pity, it is sad, now let’s move on. And no one ever talked afterwards about a conspiracy to get rid of him.

    There’s been a good deal of conspiracy theorizing over the death of John Paul I:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_I_conspiracy_theories

    if they wanted him out without even hurting him they still had the possibility of creating a presidency-ending sexual scandal, for which they didn’t lack material,

    Kennedy’s sexual indiscretions with women (including with Marilyn Monroe)
    were known or at least speculated about during his life.  His supporters tended to overlook these as peccadillos.  Some perhaps even admired him for them.  I don’t think their confirmation would have necessarily ruined him.

    Bill Clinton got caught receiving oral sex in the oval office.  It didn’t end his presidency.

    Hell, Ted Kennedy killed a young woman. It didn’t end his political career.

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @Cking
  121. lloyd says: • Website
    @Sam Smith

    Interesting point. A recent book with the title Confessions of a Hit Man, criticised professionally the Kennedy assassination. He writes. “They should have arranged a car crash”. That was done to Princess Diana but enough clues were left to make it seem a warning too. Helen Clark when she became Prime Minister of New Zealand let slip at a press conference. “I have no intention of going down in a hail of bullets.” Interestingly enough, she was nearly as PM sucked out of an aeroplane a few days after getting into trouble from her protection squad driving at a reckless dangerous speed on a public road. I always suspected MOSSAD.

  122. geokat62 says:
    @Sparkon

    … and instead you tell me to go read a book, a fallacious appeal to authority.

    I didn’t tell YOU to go read a book. I was telling my fellow Unzers to read a book that will red pill them on the JFK assassination. You know, the ones you’re hard at work to put back asleep.

  123. anon[133] • Disclaimer says:

    All right then. After a big article and 100+ comments, no one has been able to explain how Mossad controls the USA. Whereas we know exactly how CIA controls the USA based on 70 years of official documentation and 50 years of foreign and insider disclosure.

    And this proves to our gimlet-eyed conspiracy sleuths – that Mossad controls the USA. Securely enough to kill its head of state and not get nuked.

    For the US masses there is evidently something profoundly humiliating in facing the facts of their subjection. Brainwashed deeply into them, perhaps.

    For the majority of glowies here, it’s all in a day’s work!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  124. @Anon

    Why is it so difficult for so many to accept the fact that one determined rifleman, with a mind of his own, can reek political havoc…he did live in the USSR for a short time where he met his wife.

    And how did he get into the Soviet Union?  The official story is that he travelled to Moscow where his citizenship application was denied.  He then goes to his hotel room where he attempts suicide by slitting his wrist.  While he is recovering in the hospital, the Soviets suddenly change their minds and agree to take him in despite the fact that he’s mentally disturbed enough to attempt suicide.  They even set him up with a factory job and a fully furnished apartment.

    I feel this story is fairly dubious, and there’s a lot of curious actions and connections like this in the official narrative of Oswald’s life.  Enough to raise a reasonable suspicion.

    It’s worth noting that Oswald’s first girlfriend in Minsk, before Marina, was a Jewish woman named Ella German, who is apparently still alive and living in Israel.  It’s possible she could have been a “contact” with Israeli/Mossad networks.

  125. Skeptikal says:
    @DCThrowback

    What is equally weird is that supposed co-conspirator (with Angleton), Ben Bradlee, and his wife, Mary Pinchot’s sister, arrived on the scene to find Angleton already in Mary’s house.

    I think Bradlee took the diary from Angleton and deep-sixed it; it has never been seen again.

    Can it be a coinkidink that Bradlee and his (per Guyenot) co-conspirator arrived at that house at the same time? Even if that was coinkidink, obviously they both knew about the diary.

    Was Mary’s sister feeding info her to her husband, Bradlee, and Bradlee was talking to Angleton?

    Of course, Mary’s husband, Cord Meyer, was a top CIA spook.

    Truly Mary Pinchot Meyer and her lover, JFK, were surrounded by a nest of vipers.

    The whole Meyer setup is worthy of Shakespeare.

    Where is our Shakespeare?

    • Thanks: DCThrowback
    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  126. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    All right then. After a big article and 100+ comments, no one has been able to explain how Mossad controls the USA.

    Yes, this is one of life’s big mysteries. Kind of like how they got the caramel inside one of those Cadbury chocolate bars, lol.

    Ok, I’ll bite. They control the CIA like they control the State Department. Over the years, they purged all Arabists and filled it with their own or with sympathetic Shabbos goys that were prepared to go along to get along.

    But all the hasbarists are working overtime to convince the average Unz reader that “we dindu nuffin, goy!”

    They seriously think they can defend the indefensible.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  127. @Irish Savant

    There are several possible explanations. Which do you favour, and why? Don’t you agree that it is the most telling proven fact in favour of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy?

    • Replies: @Irish Savant
  128. JWalters says:
    @Realist

    Dulles at the very least had a key role in orchestrating the coverup from his high position on the Warren Commission. Looking deeper into Dulles’ career, before his jobs in the OSS and CIA he was a lawyer specializing in hiding large amounts of money for extremely wealthy bankers. My estimate is that he never stopped working for those bankers, even while director of the CIA. And Israel has always been a top priority for key megabanks (e.g. Rothschild bank and its tentacles). So I would put those bankers on the org chart above both the CIA and Israel.

    More info is at:
    War Profiteers and Israel’s Bank
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-israels-bank.html

    • Thanks: Realist
  129. JWalters says:
    @Karl1906

    I agree. I wish all the articles at UR were this level of objectivity, thoroughness, and clarity.

  130. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    Regarding the JFK assassination, the circumstantial evidence remains; it was Sam Bloom, Dallas Business leader, who ‘convinced’ the Secret Service, against all principles of body guard security, to drive the presidential caravan through Daley Plaza, Jack Ruby was seen all over the place, at an overpass covering Elm St. the through-street of Daley Plaza. Abraham Zapruder was in the exact position to record the public execution as the shots rang out, he doesn’t flinch. When Oswald was arrested and interrogated, Sam Bloom again steps forward to suggest Oswald be moved from the Dallas City Jail to the County Jail so that the MSM reporters could have better access to the accused Oswald. As Oswald is escorted out by a tall police official in a light colored Stetson and summer suit, Jack Ruby steps out of the mob of reporters and shoots Oswald from feet away. Meanwhile at the mortuary Arlen Specter discovers a pristine bullet in a gurney and starts to recite the magic bullet theory. No president, Truman or Eisenhower, would attend LBJ’s inauguration. Jack Ruby was supposedly mentored by Mickey Cohen who operated his own business out of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. The Ambassador Hotel was reportedly mobbed built and where RFK was later shot dead. They said the ‘Palestinian’ did it. One should conclude the Jewish Mob ran the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Anonymous
  131. Hans says:
    @anon

    “The Federal Reserve Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this Bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized. The greatest crime of the ages is perpetrated by this bill” – Rep. Charles A. Lindbergh, Congr. Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. Dec 22, 1913

    “The Federal Reserve is one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen. There’s not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the international bankers” – Rep. Louis McFadden circa 1930

    “The Zionists rule these United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country. Let me show you what happened while we were all asleep” – Benjamin Freedman, 1961 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dRd3Ajiu4Q

    The CIA is just another agency under their control.

  132. JWalters says:
    @Franz

    Further, there is a theory that communism was financed in Russia precisely to create a long-running conflict with the West. In this picture it was financed by the same war profiteering bankers who financed Israel, which created a long-running conflict in the Middle East.

    This analysis was made by Douglas Reed, a renowned WWII reporter for the London Times, in his deeply researched book
    Controversy of Zion
    http://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/index.htm

    • Agree: Franz
    • Thanks: JimDandy, Pop Warner
  133. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    All right then. After a big article and 100+ comments, no one has been able to explain how Mossad controls the USA?

    Excerpt from Jerusalem Post article, Joe Biden’s A-Team of Jewish advisers, cabinet members and staff:

    Here are the 15 Jews who comprise Biden’s Jewish A-Team. I strongly believe that a vigorous American presence in world affairs, spearheaded by the Jewish A-Team, is in Israel’s long-term interest, more than an “America first” administration that made the US largely irrelevant in global affairs.

    1. Antony Blinken, Secretary of State.
    2. David Cohen, Deputy CIA Director.
    3. Janet Yellen, Secretary of the Treasury.
    4. Merrick Garland, Attorney-General.
    5. Avril Haines, Director of National Intelligence.
    6. Ron Klain, Chief of Staff. 
    7. Eric Lander, Director, Office of Science & Technology Policy.
    8. Rachel Levine, Deputy Secretary, Health and Human Services.
    9. Alejandro Mayorkas, Secretary of Homeland Security.
    10. Anne Neuberger, Director of Cybersecurity, National Security Agency.
    11. Wendy Sherman, Deputy Secretary of State.
    12. Jeff Zients, COVID-19 Coordinator.
    13. Rochelle Walensky, Director, Center for Disease Control.
    14. Jared Bernstein, member, Council of Economic Advisors.
    15. Douglas Emhoff, second gentleman, husband of US Vice President Kamala Harris.

    https://m.jpost.com/opinion/joe-bidens-a-team-of-jewish-advisers-cabinet-members-and-staff-658350/amp

  134. gatobart says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    ‘It would have looked too suspicious if he just dropped dead out of the blue at only 46 years of age’.

    Pull-heeze. Every day there are young, healthy, athletic, perfectly fit men who drop dead in all kind of places and situations. There are soccer players in their 20s who drop dead of a heart attack in the pitch during a match and I guess there are cases also in every other sports and physical activity. And Kennedy wasn’t by any instance that strong, healthy 46 year old that the White House was peddling for public consumption but a very sick man. He had Addison disease and he had even been in more than one occasion considered beyond all hope by attending doctors:

    “Major surgery on patients with Addison’s disease was–and is–considered risky, even when they are treated with hormone replacement. Kennedy, in fact, had numerous post-operative complications and was twice administered the last rites of the Roman Catholic church”.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1992/10/06/jfks-addisons-disease/aceb473c-a5dc-4199-9453-d3fcd3b18312/

    All this, his real state of health, came out in the open after his death, as it was something impossible to conceal anymore after his autopsy so I don’t know in what his (false) public image as a healthy 46-year old would have interfered with the plans of those eventually trying to poison him. His true state of health would have come in the open anyway and also gone a long way assuaging any suspicion of foul play. In fact it would have made the poison option far more convenient instead of hindering it…!

    Also:

    “But newly disclosed medical files covering the last eight years of Kennedy’s life, including X-rays and prescription records, show that he took painkillers, antianxiety agents, stimulants and sleeping pills, as well as hormones to keep him alive, with extra doses in times of stress’

    “At times the president took as many as eight medications a day, says the historian, Robert Dallek. A committee of three longtime Kennedy family associates, who for decades refused all requests to look at the records, granted Mr. Dallek’s, in part because of his ”tremendous reputation,” said one of them, Theodore C. Sorensen, who was the president’s special counsel”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/17/us/in-jfk-file-hidden-illness-pain-and-pills.html

    Eight medications every day. And of course we know that medical mistakes by doctors or nurses or caregivers in general are impossible to happen. They never mislabel a bottle or misread the label already there, they never put a dish in the wrong place, never mix up bottles, never forget to give a pill to a patient or give one too many, never.

    As for Pope John Paul I, yes, there has been a lot of speculation about his death and also conspiracy theories being banged around, but I am referring to the simple fact that there is absolutely no single piece of evidence that a crime was even committed in his case. That makes the two cases completely different. For instance, the Vatican didn’t need to frame a patsy for a crime no one can attest was even committed”

    And your dismissal of the possible consequences of a Kennedy Monroe scandal is trite and out of tune with those times. You seem to think that the 1960s were like the 1990s and that a politician, let alone the POTUS, could go around whoring and bragging about it for all to see without any negative consequences. Of course everyone in Washington knew about Kennedy’s shenanigans as everyone in Hollywood knew that Rock Hudson was gay but the general public was a different story, everyone involved being very careful about keeping the masses in the dark. For instance I don’t remember having seen any Hollywood flick of the 1990s where a married couple has two beds in their bedroom separated at least six feet from each other and where both husband and wife sleep in their pajamas. That was the Amerrica of the early 1960s, the moral standards that were being preached to the unwashed masses but that the elites simply ignored and got away with it as long as they kept it quiet, in the family. What happens in Las Vegas, Hollywood, Washington…and where the couple of John and Jackie along with their two kids represented the ideal Amerrican family embodying all their moral and ethical values.

    BTW, about those sexual peccadillos, the only reason JFK went to visit Texas, against the alarmed advise of everyone around him, is that he needed the very Conservative Texan vote to win reelection, that Southern Democrats and White Republicans, and this time he wanted to get it without the unwanted presence of LBJ in his ticket (both men hated each other with a passion) and one may wonder where that vote would have gone if the JFK M.M. affair had came into the open at the worst possible time.

    And also, Ted Kennedy didn’t kill a young woman. What he did was to go DUI and when he missed a bridge and the car went down to the water he panicked and ran away instead of trying to rescue the woman left inside the car afraid of the political fallout. Of course that fallout was even worse in the end. And yes, it ruined his political career because for one of the Kennedys of that generation not being able to become president meant a failed political career.

    • Disagree: Cking
    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  135. Mefobills says:
    @Anonymous

    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress.

    You really don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Don’t say things a stupid idiot would say.
    _____________________________

    You are right, I worded it wrong. This is what I said:

    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress. Before 17’th Senators were NOT elected, and hence could not be as easily influenced with Kompromat, nor did they need money to run election campaigns. State Legislators could recall their Senators if they no longer worked for their state.

    Here it is again, worded better: The 17’th amendment disenfranchised state legislatures from directly sending their Senators to Congress. Before the 17’th the Senators were NOT elected…

    Now you can apologize for being an ass.

  136. JWalters says:
    @Jon Chance

    Thanks for relating your story. For other readers, I did a web check and you’re legit.

    I once met a guy who was experiencing political harassment for his professional writing. A front page story in a prominent newspaper was cancelled overnight, his car was impounded without explanation, and he was evicted from his apartment. He told me he was moving to Switzerland.

    Christopher Bollyn was attacked in his front yard and moved his family to Europe for awhile

    Your story might be of interest to Mondoweiss.net. They have posted articles describing the experiences of ex-Zionists.

  137. @geokat62

    Excerpt from Jerusalem Post article…

    It should be noted that the article you provided the link for also contains the following quote, which mentions twenty key Jewish advisors:

    To be fair, the Trump administration, too, had many Jews in senior positions.
    Among them:
    Jared Kushner, son-in-law and senior advisor;
    Elliot Abrams Special representative for Venezuela, then Iran;
    David Friedman, Ambassador to Israel;
    Jason Greenblatt, Special Representative for International Negotiations, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict;
    Steve Mnuchin, Secretary of the Treasury;
    Stephen Miller, Senior Advisor, Policy;
    Gary Cohn, Director, White House National Economic Council;
    Reed Cordish, Assistant to the President, Intragovernmental and Technology Initiatives;
    Avrahm Berkowitz, Deputy Advisor to the President;
    Rod Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General;
    Elan Carr, Special Envoy to monitor and combat antisemitism;
    Ellie Cohanim, Deputy Special Envoy to monitor and combat antisemitism;
    Jeffrey Rosen, Attorney General;
    Morgan Ortagus, Spokesperson, State Department;
    David Shulkin, Secretary of Veterans Affairs;
    Lawrence Kudlow, Director National Economic Council;
    Ivanka Trump, daughter, Advisor to the President;
    John Eisenberg, National Security Council Legal;
    Ezra Cohen-Watnick, Acting Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence;
    Len Khodorkovsky, Deputy Secretary of State and Senior Advisor to the US Special Representative for Iran.

  138. Anon[201] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    *wreak*

  139. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:

    3. Later assassination of RFK’s political ally, M L King.

    If by “later” you mean “much earlier” then sure, fine. You’re almost ready to be released to a halfway house with supervision. Please don’t say stuff a stupid idiot would say.

    “There was this Pope who took office in the Vatican after Pious XII, Jean Paul I, who started with great ideas about bringing revolutionary changes to the Catholic Church to take it to the XX Century, and who didn’t have any qualms about sharing them with the entire world. Then he mysteriously passed away in his sleep just one month after his coronation as leader of the Church. He died, that’s a pity, it is sad, now let’s move on. And no one ever talked afterwards about a conspiracy to get rid of him.”

    Again with the stupid idiot talk. That’s JUST NOT TRUE. What the heck is wrong with you?

  140. Sparkon says:
    @Cking

    Meanwhile at the mortuary Arlen Specter discovers a pristine bullet in a gurney and starts to recite the magic bullet theory.

    Fascinating, but that’s not quite it.

    The bullet was discovered on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital by Daryl Tomlinson, and inspected by his supervisor O.P. Wright. Wright later stated that the bullet he saw and handled at Parkland had a pointed tip, and did not look like CE 399, the famous Magic Bullet, which has a rounded tip.

    Image: Wikimedia

    One should conclude the Jewish Mob ran the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers.

    Perhaps, but it was not the Jewish Mob that hijacked Pres. Kennedy’s body from Parkland Hospital.

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @Cking
  141. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cking

    No president, Truman or Eisenhower, would attend LBJ’s inauguration.

    Jeezus Christ, don’t say things a stupid idiot would say. Where was Johnson’s inauguration? When was it? Are you really this stupid?

    For extra credit, Herbert Hoover didn’t attend either.

    • Replies: @Cking
  142. @gatobart

    All this, his real state of health, came out in the open after his death, as it was something impossible to conceal anymore after his autopsy

    Not true, as your own post and the articles you link to indicate. The true extent of Kennedy’s health problems didn’t come to light for decades. While it was rumored that Kennedy had Addison’s disease for years, it wasn’t confirmed until the early 1990s, according to the Washington Post article you linked. The first thorough, independent investigation of Kennedy’s medical records wasn’t conducted until 2002, as the Kennedy family zealously guarded them. It was undertaken by the historian you reference, Robert Dallek, with the assistance of a medical consultant. The quote you provide from the NY Times article undermines your point:

    “But newly disclosed (in 2002) medical files covering the last eight years of Kennedy’s life…At times the president took as many as eight medications a day, says the historian, Robert Dallek. A committee of three longtime Kennedy family associates, who for decades refused all requests to look at the records…”

    His true state of health would have come in the open anyway and also gone a long way assuaging any suspicion of foul play. In fact it would have made the poison option far more convenient instead of hindering it…!

    This assumes that those who may have planned the assassination would have been privy to the true nature of his health issues.

    And your dismissal of the possible consequences of a Kennedy Monroe scandal is trite and out of tune with those times.

    I dunno. I wasn’t alive in those days, but it seems to me like the sexual revolution was already well underway by the 1950s (soon to be accelerated with the introduction of “the Pill” in 1960). It was, after all, the era of Playboy, Sinatra and “swinging,” Marilyn Monroe (who famously had nude pictures she had taken before she was famous published in Playboy. Many at the time thought it would end her career. Instead, she became more popular than ever.), Rock N’ Roll (which saw songs with blatant sexual innuendo, such as Jerry Lee Lewis’s “Great Balls Of Fire” reach the top of the charts), etc.

    Just because television shows and movies 0f the time projected an image of quaint modesty doesn’t mean this is how the “unwashed masses” thought or behaved. These were baby boom years, after all.

    “Southern Democrats and White Republicans” tended to be pretty masculine guys. While they might have publicly decried sexual immorality for image purposes, they (particularly the younger ones) may have secretly admired a guy who had a fling with the era’s leading female sex symbol.

    One of the period’s more famous writers, Norman Mailer, wrote openly of Kennedy’s philandering in his famous Esquire article “Superman Goes To The Supermarket” (1960) and books such as The Presidential Papers (1963).

    And also, Ted Kennedy didn’t kill a young woman. What he did was to go DUI and when he missed a bridge and the car went down to the water he panicked and ran away instead of trying to rescue the woman…

    So he killed her, then.

    • Replies: @Sean
  143. Sean says:

    Angleton’s name often comes up in books incriminating the CIA in the 1963 Dallas coup, because he is believed to have engineered the staged visits and telephone calls by an Oswald impersonator to both the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City in late September and early October 1963. Over the phone, this bogus “Oswald” referred to an arrangement with Vladimir Kostikov, who was known to the FBI as the officer in charge of assassinations in the United States. These visits and calls were, of course, monitored by the local CIA cell, and would constitute, after November 22, evidence of a Cuban-Soviet conspiracy.

    Evidence that he wanted to go to Cuba, and was thwarted in that. But the Oswald who defected to the USSR and was reported as doing so, and back in the US got into a highly publicized brawl with anti Castro Cubans, and went on the radio to defend Castro’s Cuba was already established to be a past Soviet Union and current Casto sympathizer. Why the need for the double?

  144. Sean says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    This assumes that those who may have planned the assassination would have been privy to the true nature of his health issues.

    Kennedy was emaciated, it was only when he started taking cortisol well into his political career that he looked healthy for the first time in his adult life, and the high doses drug caused his spine to crumble. LBJ knew that Kennedy had a chronic medical condition and scoffed at his tiny ankles as showing he had ‘rickets’. There was a an official press release denial by Kennedy’s doctor that JFK had the ‘disease classically known as Addison’s disease’. Total dissimulation but Johnson would not have been fooled. Kennedy was getting meth from ‘Dr Feelgood’, and on one occasion when given a large amount stripped naked and pranced through the corridors of a hotel as the secret service bodyguards watched aghast. Against the advice of almost everyone, Kennedy demanded extremely risky surgery to stop the back pain. and was wearing a rigid back brace in Dallas that stopped him from ducking after the first (missed) shot.

    • Replies: @Sam Smith
  145. gatobart says:

    Blah, blah, blah. oh man, are you a defense attorney, a D.A. by any chance…? Because if you are one I would strongly recommend you to change jobs as you got to be a lousy one, the points you are arguing are worthless of any consideration in this context. Do you really read the news…? If so, have you been informed that Kennedy was shot dead, one bullet in the head and that was it…? Now, who is gonna care, during all the medical and forensic procedures that usually take place after such an event, specially during the autopsy, if a man who has been shot dead suffered, say, from an irritated colon, an enlarged liver or some random STD…? NOBODY…! That is why you would made for a rotten trial lawyer, BECAUSE YOU LACK THE ABILITY TO PUT YORSELF IN SITUATIONS AND CONTEXTS OTHERS THAN THOSE YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

    After Kennedy was declared dead nobody cared about digging into his medical story, because he has been killed with a gunshot to the head. Had he appeared dead a morning in his bed for no apparent reason his health and his medical history would have been the prime focus of investigation and once medical specialist had given a verdict (like it was a heart attack in the case of Pope John Paul I) then it would have been CASE CLOSED. Oh, man…(a Sheldon Cooper patented sigh of impatience)

    And BTW, no one gives a crap about what YOU think the 60s were like. I was there so i know.

    The rest of your post is just random B.S. so I will just stop wasting my time….right here.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  146. Dutch Boy says:

    That a traitorous, paranoid loon like Angleton could hold a high position in the CIA for decades is a condemnation of the organization in itself.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  147. LondonBob says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Angleton likely preferred men, or boys.

  148. LondonBob says:
    @geokat62

    Yes, the Biden admin is an all Jewish affirmative action coterie, and the world is paying the price.

  149. @gatobart

    Good line of thinking. For more view of “the method”, I suggest you consider this detail:
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-umbrella-man-the-sins-of-the-father-and-the-kennedy-curse/
    President Kennedy’s assassination was done if full sight of the nation. It was, I believe, the first assassination filmed (by Abraham Zapruder, who, incredibly, didn’t budge when shots rang from behind him on the Grassy Knoll). The “method” included a message… with a discreet yet unmistakable signature.

  150. @Wizard of Oz

    The way it works Wizz is that the USA is Israel’s enforcer. As far as both major parties in Austfailia are concerned, the Palestinians can go to Hell, and stay there. Any time there is some pathetic attempt by elements on the ALP Left to aid the Palestinians in their unending Hell of sadist mistreatment, there is an hysteria of screeches of ‘antisemitism’, a mobilisation by the Murdoch cancer, and it is quickly quashed.
    And as I believe I have told you before, Rudd was executed by US Embassy ‘protected sources’ on the ALP Right, led by Shorten, because he had changed UN votes to be less slavishly pro-Israel, and expelled a MOSSAD agent from the Israel Embassy for Israel’s theft of Australian passport identities, in one of their Holy Murders, in Dubai, a repeat offence after they had been caught before and ‘promised’ not to do it again. The ASIO recommendation to do so was probably a set-up, because Rudd was insufficiently anti-China.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  151. @Wizard of Oz

    Well, the killer shot came from the grassy knoll, so that rules out Oswald. Ruby killed him so that the truth of him being a patsy would not come out. I suggest reading ‘JFK and the Unspeakable’ to see how far-reaching a well prepared the hit was, and how deep its roots in the US Deep State.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  152. @lloyd

    “I recall reading the Dulles brothers were Catholics.”

    They were Presbyterian–at least nominally. Their father was a very liberal Presbyterian minister who was known for supporting/helping adulterous women divorce their husbands and/or procure abortions. Now, there were rumors of them being of old Jewish stock too. The Anglo-Welsh ancestry being technically correct, however, they had Amsterdam Jewish roots going back. All a rumor and one that I suppose will never be verified because it will be almost impossible. Allen as a young man at State was the guy who “proved” the Protocols as a forgery and he was very involved in Middle Eastern affairs around WWI (Russian and Ottoman, as well as Iraq and oil).

  153. @Dutch Boy

    ‘Traitorous’ for whom? For the US ‘Deep State’, the ruling oligarchy’s bovver-boys? Not really. A good soldier.

  154. @Laurent Guyénot

    I am curious, what do you think of the driver being one of the shooters? I have read this argument before (many years ago), that in the original footage he is clearly turning around and shooting. However, it is harder to make out in the doctored footage–as the proponents of this line argue. I am fascinated by this theory so I wonder what your thoughts are on it?

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  155. @Skeptikal

    Mary Pinchot Meyer was one of the “vipers” surrounding JFK. A useful idiot serving as an agent of the Mossad/CIA without even knowing it. Feeding him drugs and getting him to talk and talk and talk…and then she would talk and talk and talk to others.

  156. anastasia says:

    That agency is as useless as it is dangerous to the security of our country. They are a bunch of incompetent cowboys. They were set up so that we wouldn’t have another surprise Pearl Harbor, and we did, 60 years later, despite the technology, despite the growth of that agency, despite their unlimited budget. And who can excuse the weapons of mass destruction story? The negligence is so gross, it rises to the level of deliberate conduct.

  157. @RedpilledAF

    I don’t buy it. Besides the fact that it seems unlikely (everyone around, starting with Jackie, would have known who the killer was), I have never seen any evidence. I do believe, though, that he nearly stopped the car when the first shots rang, rather and speeding up as he should have done.

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF
  158. @mulga mumblebrain

    How does the killer shot coming from the grassy knoll rule out Oswald from anything but being the sole shooter?

    As to whether the killer shot came from the grassy knoll (I have read the suggestion that it was from a drainage hole in the road!) what do you rely on for evidence – secondary sources are accepted like the book you mention which I presume is one – but, still, what is the best argument for the grassy knoll which also deals with objections?

  159. @Laurent Guyénot

    It was, I believe, the first assassination filmed

    I think the assassination of King Alexander I of Yugoslavia in 1934 was the first (starts at 2:13).

  160. @mulga mumblebrain

    I can’t contradict what you say from personal knowledge or observation but can I read a less summary reliable account somewhere?

  161. Anonymous[747] • Disclaimer says:

    What a sparkling debate. If Siamese twins are on a murderous thieving spree, why approach them with a scalpel?

  162. @Wizard of Oz

    Absolutely. He was a Jewish Mafia guy with only a short time to live. The only realistic conclusion is that he was ‘incentivised’ to silence the patsy.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  163. @geokat62

    Jews at the top of the political establishment is just part of the control structure. Every politician knows that failure to toe the Jewish line is political (and in some cases actual) suicide. They can do this by way of their control of the media and finance and unknown numbers of blackmail traps such as Epstein’s.

  164. @gatobart

    Wow, you’re really unnecessarily hostile and condescending.

    After Kennedy was declared dead nobody cared about digging into his medical story, because he has been killed with a gunshot to the head.

    Maybe, but this has nothing to do with the point I was addressing, which was your claim that “his real state of health, came out in the open after his death, as it was something impossible to conceal anymore after his autopsy.” This is simply false.

    Had he appeared dead a morning in his bed for no apparent reason his health and his medical history would have been the prime focus of investigation

    Had that happened I’m sure his family and allies would have demanded a toxicology report.

    And how do you get to him? Do you solicit white house staff to slip cyanide in his coffee? Have someone poke him at a fundraiser with a ricin-tipped umbrella like Georgi Markov?

    There’s a reason world leaders aren’t assassinated by poison any more. It’s too difficult to get to them without being detected. A thousand years ago, under certain circumstances, you could poison Counts and Caliphs and get away with it. Modern forensic toxicology and security techniques make it too risky.

    The idea that the conspirators could have more easily poisoned Kennedy and then blamed his death on his preexisting health problems just seems incorrect to me. Poisons can be detected in bodies years after death: Yasser Arafat’s body was exhumed 12 years after his death to test for poisoning, Pablo Neruda’s after 40 years! And assuredly, in this scenario, there would have been skeptics wanting further testing done (likely including JFK’s family members).

    And BTW, no one gives a crap about what YOU think the 60s were like. I was there so i know.

    Well whoopee for you. I’m sure you can’t have had too “groovy” a time if you can remember those days ✌️🥴

  165. Sam Smith says:
    @Sean

    Kennedy demanded extremely risky surgery to stop the back pain. and was wearing a rigid back brace in Dallas that stopped him from ducking after the first (missed) shot.

    That is an extremely interesting piece of new information for me. Probably just a coincidence, but what if wearing that rigid back brace was part of the assassination? To ensure that JFK would sit upright like a stiff dummy target?

  166. @geokat62

    If Johnson knew that Israel was responsible for murdering JFK and he was intimidated accordingly he would have been angry and resentful about that and it is almost inconceivable that he wouldn’t have done something to guarantee exposure when he was dead or otherwise unable to be damaged.

  167. @Irish Savant

    If he knew he had little time to live he might have needed very little incentive to make a hero of himself by the perverted standards of the company he kept And of course that leaves open (if only just) that Oswald was a patsy of Cubans who treated him as a sucker.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  168. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    I never heard or read the exact circumstances of the discovery of the ‘magic bullet’. Fine, Arlen Specter was a member of the Warren Commission and the MSM broadcast his Magic Bullet Theory. Nevertheless the ground work was accomplished and there for everyone to see.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  169. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:

    166, very true, Irish Savant.

    Actual suicide indeed! parapimp Mark Middleton didn’t even get out of line, he was euthanized pour encourager les autres! We know CIA can do this and get away with it, thanks to their dozen get-out-of-jail-free cards. Does International Jewry have their own get-out-of-jail-free cards? Where are they set out as formal legal pretexts? Or does CIA extend its own impunity to crimes that it condones? I’m not fully clear on how the chain of Jew command works.

    As you note, and as Russ Baker reported, sexual blackmail is a pervasive control measure at all levels of the US government. Epstein bragged of working for CIA, as you know, and got plucked from pervy obscurity by Bill Barr’s OSS dad, which makes him the successor of:

    – Sandusky, whose pedo foundation was absorbed by the Bush-run Arrow Family Ministries;

    – the Lawrence King/Craig Spence pedo kompromat rings (associates King and Spence were both enlisted by Phoenix Program spooks when they boned little gooks in Nam;)

    – the Finders child trafficking ring, overtly shielded as state secrets.

    Avowed CIA agent Sheldon Adelson (he put the abortive hit on Assange for CIA) is still at it with the kiddy-pimping:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/adelson-fires-back-at-china-prostitution-claim/

    But of course all this is Jew crime, not CIA crime. …Glad we got that cleared up.

  170. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If Johnson knew that Israel was responsible for murdering JFK and he was intimidated accordingly he would have been angry and resentful about that…

    Not necessarily.

    Key excerpts from the Jewish Institute’s Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!:

    A key resource for uncovering LBJ’s pro-Jewish activity is the unpublished 1989 doctoral thesis by University of Texas student Louis Gomolak, “Prologue: LBJ’s Foreign Affairs Background, 1908-1948.” Johnson’s activities were confirmed by other historians in interviews with his wife, family members and political associates.

    Research into Johnson’s personal history indicates that he inherited his concern for the Jewish people from his family. His aunt Jessie Johnson Hatcher, a major influence on LBJ, was a member of the Zionist Organization of America. According to Gomolak, Aunt Jessie had nurtured LBJ’s commitment to befriending Jews for 50 years. As young boy, Lyndon watched his politically active grandfather “Big Sam” and father “Little Sam” seek clemency for Leo Frank, the Jewish victim of a blood libel in Atlanta. Frank was lynched by a mob in 1915, and the Ku Klux Klan in Texas threatened to kill the Johnsons. The Johnsons later told friends that Lyndon’s family hid in their cellar while his father and uncles stood guard with shotguns on their porch in case of KKK attacks. Johnson’s speech writer later stated, “Johnson often cited Leo Frank’s lynching as the source of his opposition to both anti-Semitism and isolationism.”…

    Lady Bird elaborated, “Jews had been woven into the warp and woof of all [Lyndon’s] years.”

    https://jewishinstituteprogress.blogspot.com/2016/08/our-first-jewish-president-lyndon.html?m=1

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  171. anarchyst says:
    @geokat62

    …only thing, Leo Frank was not a victim of “blood libel”, but was a cold-blooded calculating rapist and murderer.
    Despite the jewish power structure’s attempt to absolve Frank, true justice was meted out. The world is a much better place without the likes of Leo Frank.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  172. @Wizard of Oz


    Johnson was Israel’s man from the beginning. Details in my book.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  173. Out of the mistakes that have doomed Anglo North America to collapse into a cesspool after a scant two centuries of existence rather than develop into a millennia-old civilization, the worst by far was conferring citizenship on Jews, an enormity of which the Founders themselves are the guilty party. The other two great mistakes, grave as they were, might otherwise have been correctable and, therefore, survivable; they were sub-Saharan citizenship and women’s suffrage.

  174. Sparkon says:
    @Cking

    I never heard or read the exact circumstances of the discovery of the ‘magic bullet’. Fine, Arlen Specter blah blah blah…

    Then you should refrain from running your keyboard until you have a much better grasp of the facts surrounding JFK’s assassination. There is enough intentional disinformation being presented here without ignorant babblers weighing in too.

    “Fine” you say, and skip right past the significant point in your rush to get to Arlen Specter.

    • Replies: @Cking
    , @Cking
  175. @Corvinus

    all my statements stand, you have not refuted even one of my points.
    Hitler was not guilty of anything that the British Empire had not already done all over the world.

    1. 200 US corporations provided financial support for Hitler,Without their monetary support, he could never have lasted 6 months. FACT
    2. the EU, that was Hitler’s vision, and it has come to pass. FACT
    3. Hitler’s goal was to bring down Soviet communism, and that has also come to pass! FACT
    4. Hitlers goal of moving the jews to the middle east has also come true. FACT
    5. Hitler commisioned the volkswagon- another giant success. FACT
    6. If the US would not have entered the war via False Flag Pearl Harbor, the Brits would be speaking German right this minute! FACT

  176. @Corvinus

    Hitler being financed by over 200 american CORPORATIONS, including FORD MOTORS, GENERAL MOTORS, STANDARD OIL AND MANY OTHER BIG NAME CORPORATIONS. Hitler’s party would never have lasted 6 months without the finacial backing of corporations in Germany, and America. Prescott Bush who spawned two US presidents was a big Hitler supporterr. So the takeway here is: the biggest corporations in the industrial world financed Hitler’s regime and kept it in power. And those corpoartions GOT THEIR MONEY’S WORTH from the Fascists! It was a symbiotic relationship. When someone finances you, they CALL THE SHOTS. Ford Motors supplied the Germans with vehicles thoughout the war. You cannot dismiss the facts of american business support for the Nazis. They knew exacxtly what they were doing. They supported the Nazis because the communist supported unionizing american factories. That was a declaration of war on American Capitalism, and that is why Hitler was their go-to guy, because he was going to war against the Soviets. and many Brits also supported him because of this very same reason.

  177. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    Is Arlen Specter innocent? or a part of the coverup? Gee, I’m reading a bunch of sheet about JFK being such a swordsman, a man who suffered a bad back from his WWII injuries and required a rocking chair in his Oval Office, we should just forget about the whole matter; my comment brings you to justifiable anger?

  178. Sam Smith says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    President Kennedy’s assassination was done [in] full sight of the nation. It was, I believe, the first assassination filmed (by Abraham Zapruder, who, incredibly, didn’t budge when shots rang from behind him on the Grassy Knoll).

    That is an INCREDIBLE observation!

    The JEW (Abraham Zapruder) was not just a super lucky person being at the right place at the right time with the right filming camera, he did NOT even FLINCH in the presence of multiple gun shots. Any normal human beings (JEWS are exceptional!) would have at least FLINCHED, given that at least one shot come from the Grassy Knoll, BEHIND HIS SHOULDERS almost!

    How do we know this? Abraham Zapruder kept on filming like his hand-held camera was on a tripod from when JFK emerges from behind that steel sign to after that fatal shot WITHOUT any disruption during this entire filming!

    Is Abraham Zapruder a Super Ukrainian Jew with nerves of steel????

    As time goes by, more and more incredible details and observations will come to the surface to PROVE that the JFK assassination was a joint MOSSAD/CIA hit.

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  179. gnbRC says:

    I, like a lot of older Americans, have been tracking the Kennedy assassination on and off for decades. Over the years, it seems the narrative of new materials/opinions hasn’t changed much – it still asks the reader/researcher to ‘look here’, as if it is a diversion tactic – as is they essay by M. Guyenot. But after a reading a lot at the Unz Review (most of it, again, of the ‘look here’ type), I’ve come to a different conclusion …

    When one looks at the U.S. presidents prior and after JFK, one sees a pattern of presidential office control by various power groups.
    a) Roosevelt (FDR) tied to Jewish involvement in China opium wars and also British monarchy/royalty/landed gentry as well as The City establishment.
    b) Truman was controlled by the Pendergast crime organization (and all this means through interconnectedness throughout the US at the time).
    c) Eisenhower was hand-in-hand with the British because of hiding war crimes – and the ‘new’ U.S. MIC and intelligence agencies.
    d) Kennedy was originally intended to be controlled by the crime organizations associated with his father, Joseph Kennedy.
    e) LBJ was controlled by the Jewish and big oil lobbies and all that entails.
    f) Nixon was working with organized crime to get elected but wasn’t working as a tool but rather hitting them up for money in sort of a pay-to-play scheme (thus reason why Nixon was ousted through Watergate).
    g) Ford, I don’t know of any behind the scenes control – but I haven’t studied it.
    h) Clinton, obviously controlled by British through Cecil Rhodes scholarship and groomed perhaps by other groups.
    i) GHW Bush tied to CIA and all that entails.
    j) Reagan tied to Chicago Outfit and its tentacles to Ashkenazi Jewish crime organizations (movies, music, labor unions, etc.) in SoCal.
    k) GW Bush (‘dubya’) tied to Jewish interests and big oil through ‘Dick’ Cheney.
    l) Obama tied to Chicago Outfit through Pritzker crime organization.
    m) Trump tied to Jewish organized crime and Zionist state agencies through Shelden Edelson.
    n) And now, office of President of U.S. is now under full proxy control by Jewish/Zionist state of Israel.

    Looking at this rough historical record of the U.S. presidency, it’s easy to see that the Kennedys went rogue – not tied specifically to any one controlling group for the purpose of taking advantage of the Federal Purse and thus gaining privilege to abuse the U.S. citizens through any means possible without having to suffer any consequences.

    But this isn’t to say the Angleton wasn’t involved in the Kennedy assassinations – he probably was, just not as a primary means of obtaining power for any particular group. Same goes for George Bush the elder.

    In my opinion (FWIW), the impetus of the plan seemed to be prevention of prison time for LBJ based on past offenses, but from there it’s really difficult to say how the idea to assassinate JFK took form, and who organized the different power groups into action. Perhaps first the Jewish/Italian crime families were contacted by Hoover and/or CIA. From there, the Zionist state was informed and took backstage action. CIA would have been in contact with hard-right MIC generals, who couldn’t perform an assassination on U.S. soil so would have to rely on CIA or organized crime groups to perform the necessary ‘wet work’ along with LBJ’s henchman Wallace (who probably ‘missed’ is shot on purpose before the turn to the killing field. Thus, one can see how it took an organization such as the CIA to coordinate the US government agencies to change the Dallas parade route, then arrange specific Secret Service actions, plant alibis, etc.

    So, I think the CIA planned the whole operation at the behest of multiple groups – they had to have done it to put the U.S. presidency back into the hands of a control groups or control groups.

    The take-away is that the U.S. and world population have been propagandized into thinking the President and Congress and Supreme Court have power, when in fact they don’t. That is, there is no U.S. government, only control organizations having permission to steal, commit fraud, torture, imprison, psychologically and physically damage anyone they please, with risk of repercussions – all for the initial sake of money and later power – and no resistance toward those goals. The U.S. is essentially a lie.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  180. anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    As presidential figurehead Johnson presided over the new DOD (no, not the Pentagon, CIA’s new Domestic Operations Division.) Johnson let domestic totalitarianism rip with RESISTANCE, MERRIMAC, and HT/LINGUAL. Dick Ober consolidated it all as Operation CHAOS. Current CIA control of expression, opinion, and association shows that domestic political repression is a vital mission of the CIA, and Johnson was the guy that let it rip.

    https://ia801909.us.archive.org/18/items/the-history-of-operation-chaos-by-verne-lyon-covert-action-information-bulletin-/The%20History%20of%20Operation%20CHAOS%2C%20by%20Verne%20Lyon%20%28CovertAction%20Information%20Bulletin%2C%20No.%2034%2C%20Summer%201990%29%20pp.%2059-62.pdf

    CHAOS failed to curb widespread dissent but despite extreme ambivalence and vacillation, Johnson acquiesced in the expansion of CIA’s Operation Barrel Roll until Vietnam aborted his political career.

    Meanwhile Ted Shackley kept the NUMEC Izzies in business and kept FBI and NRC in the dark even after the Jews stunk up the whole Mideast with their ☢️ farts.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/document/22157-22-numec-case-and-erda-s-paper-memorandum

    So here we see CIA crashing Johnson in flames while running pits to Izzies but yeah that disposable cracker crook Johnson was the Izzie’s go-to guy.

    This is how stupid Guyenot thinks you are. That Izzies need a fucking president when they got goombas at CIA.

  181. @Sam Smith

    That remark was made by one commenter in one of my previous article. I should have kept track of it, for the credit goes to him. (I learn so much from comments on the UR). Yes, it is a very revealing detail. More revealing details about Zapruder: he was a textile manufacturer whose offices were in the Dallas-Textile building, from where the first shot most probably came from (but missed, prompting the Grassy Knoll backup team to intervene):

    This is Zapruder on TV just two hours after the killing of President Kennedy:

    Zap probably had several reasons for being happy. He sold his film for \$150,000 to Life magazine, and his children recently got a handsome sum out of it:

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
    , @Sam Smith
  182. @Laurent Guyénot

    The interview with Zapruder:

    The narrative is already being disseminated subtly with the book depository and three shots and connecting the cop killer with the Kennedy assassin.

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
  183. Sam Smith says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    The SMOKING GUN of the JFK assassination is Abraham Zapruder.

    Some statistician should do a probability calculation on the chances of this JEW being there that day and accomplishing what he accomplished that infamous day.

    During that interview just 2 hours after the JFK hit, Abraham Zapruder is certainly NOT shaken or even emotional affected by the killing of his president. Of course, JFK was NOT his president.

    How come the JEWS are always handsomely rewarded for such national tragedies . . . like Larry Silverstein with WTC1 and WTC2?

    \$16 million for his children? God, it must be great to be part of the Chosen Ones! Or maybe I should say, Great god Jehovah, it is great to be a part of the Chosen Ones!

  184. gatobart says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Yes. It is very hard to ignore that and I am one of those who can attest of the devastating shock wave that went around the world. I was then a schoolboy in the Southern Cone of the Americas and when the news came that afternoon we were in recess in the schoolyear and even being the kids we were the shock was incredible, that is the greatest shock that we all remember that didn’t involved our personal lives or our nations. They had to stop classes and the rest of the afternoon was spent talking about it and kids bringing up all kinds of theories, the mob did it, the CIA and so on. We were kids but still we knew a lot about what was going on, specially after Bay of Pigs and the October Crisis so we were paying attention. And most of us we didn’t even have TVs and the world didn’t still know of the Zapruder film for still many years.

    But, as I said before, this is an event, or let’s call it an operation that shows very different degrees of competence in its different parts or stages. While the P.D. part shows a great degree of competence and skill by its many participants, the handling of the patsy and the setting and the later handling of the evidence against him display an amateurism that is laughable. I have built my own functional analytical model of the events of that day taking as the heart of this model all what is well known and that nobody can dispute, adding them other elements depending on their degree of likelihood.

    According to this model of mine, Jack Ruby was the one responsible for the patsy, a task he had to do for the mob, and what he did nov. 24 was to fix the mess he had left because he had been assured by his pals in the DPD (the ones in charge of the handling of the patsy after the fact) that Oswald would be killed in the TSBD right after the shooting and he wasn’t because that wasn’t the plan that had been laid out by the master planners. Ruby and his pals had been double-crossed and so he had to go running to fix the mess or else. That is why he would have been in front of the TSBD building only minutes after the shooting and why he would have gone to Parkland later, a perfect place to be informed of both situations, the condition of the victim, JFK, and the police persecution of the patsy. There were a lot of police cars and motorcycles there so it was easy to hear everything going on. The interesting part is that a well known Dallas journalist, Seth Kantor, declared later that Jack Ruby had come to him in Parkland during that time and got hold of him just to do some small talk and then went away. When confronted with this testimony Ruby denied to have ever been in Parkland or having talked with Kantor but Kantor knew him well and insisted in his story.

    The really interesting thing is that Kantor kept good record of the time this had happened because at that very moment some news was being given in the Hospital. And by “weird” coincidence” this was only minutes after officer Tippit was shot in Oak Cliff ( i.e. right when the news was being broadcast through police radio) practically half way between Ruby’s apartment and Oswald’s lodging house. If you put all this together it is very tempting to think, if you suppose that both Ruby and Tippit were involved with the handling of the patsy and knew exactly all what was going on, that Tippit had been killed by Oswald when Oswald was running to Ruby’s domicile to get his help in his escape and that he tried to stop him because if the patsy was caught then or after, Ruby’s position would have been completely compromised and so the “lone nut” to-be-official story. And so, when Ruby received the news that Oswald was running to his apartment, and that he killed the cop trying to stop him, Ruby’s pal, he desperately got hold of Kantor, a credible witness confirming that at the time he was very far away and so he could plead complete ignorance if Oswald was ever caught around his apartment. That is why denied later Kantor’s testimony, because he didn’t need it anymore as alibi.

    That is a pretty good model of what happened with Oswald during those hours. But of course it doesn’t go as far as revealing who was behind the master planners even if I am happy with the idea that they were many people. As we all know, the Kennedys had made many enemies, too many in fact, and that started with Joe, the patriarch, he was the one who trained his kid in running over people, disrespecting them in every possible occasion, stepping on their toes whenever they wished and humiliatingly them at every step of the way,

    • Thanks: Laurent Guyénot
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  185. Sparkon says:
    @gatobart

    That is why he would have been in front of the TSBD building only minutes after the shooting and why he would have gone to Parkland later,…that Tippit had been killed by Oswald when Oswald was running to Ruby’s domicile to get his help in his escape and that he tried to stop him because if the patsy was caught then or after, Ruby’s position would have been completely compromised and so the “lone nut” to-be-official story.

    But Ruby didn’t go the the TSBD after the assassination. According to the informer Bob Vanderslice, after the shooting, Ruby turned around and headed in the opposite direction toward the Dallas Morning News building, which was just a couple blocks down Houston.

    The informant stated that on the morning of the assassination, Ruby contacted him and asked if he would “like to watch the fireworks.” He was with Jack Ruby and standing at the corner of the Postal Annex Building facing the Texas School Book Depository at the time of the shooting. Immediately after the shooting, Ruby left and headed in the direction of the Dallas Morning News Building.”

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32149267.pdf

    Oswald didn’t kill Tippit, but his wallet with the phony Hidell ID was planted at the murder scene. Lee Harvey Oswald was already sitting in the Texas theater by the time officer Tippit was killed.

    Marrs writes that Burroughs told him that Oswald purchased a ticket and even bought some popcorn; that he entered the theater shortly after 1 p.m., prior to the Tippit shooting.

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Third-Fourth%20Decade%206-17%20--%2020-93%20Conference/Item%2009.pdf

    So, sorry, but I don’t think your model is a faithful recreation of what really happened that day.

  186. Cking says:
    @Anonymous

    LBJ did win the 1964 Election. Eisenhower and Truman’s refusal to attend the Jan. 20, 1965 inauguration was recorded and available on the YouTube.

  187. gatobart says:

    Sorry, but there is was at least one witness who saw him there and recognized him and there was even a picture taken minutes after the shooting showing him also around the building and from which his image was cropped out by police or the WC itself. That is a standard in JFK assassination research, every JFK researcher worth his, her salt knows it by heart, that the WC or some other eliminated physical evidence of the presence of JR in front of the TSBD minutes after the shooting.

    And yeah, a FBI informant is certainly the most credible witness when it comes to confirm the official version of the JFK assassination, we all know how all these people took us to the truth, especially their Director Who else you got there, a CIA spook, Hoover’s right man…?

    BTW, I am quoting the Dallas Morning News here:

    “….Fuhlendorf told a nice little yarn about how Jack Ruby invited a criminal named Bob Vanderslice to come downtown on Nov. 22, 1963, to see President John Kennedy and “watch the fireworks.”
    https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/11/21/sometimes-a-jfk-conspiracy-theory-is-just-a-bad-guy-telling-a-good-guy-a-great-story/

    So the guy was a criminal, a FBI informant, and he is the most credible witness to you, even more than completely uninvolved, free, never having charged with any crime witnesses, who insisted that Jack Ruby was actually there, in front of the TSBD right after the shooting. Your research work must be splendorous..!

    And as I said, according to my “computer” model, Oswald killed Tippit, but this may be disputed, there is room for that, but the fact that is indisputable, always according to this model, is that practically all what happened after the shooting in Plaza Dealey, especially in Oak Cliff, was due to the fact that the ones who sat at the bottom of the food chain inside the operation, as Ruby himself, had been conned into believing that Oswald would be killed immediately after the shooting and he wasn’t because the master planners wanted him to escape and to be arrested later by police and then be charged with the assassination and drowned under the avalanche of evidence put together against him, most of which prepared in advance. Then he could “commit suicide in his prison cell” for all they care. To make any sense of what happened that afternoon in Oak Cliff, or in Plaza Dealey after he left the TSBD, is an impossible task until you imagine that both factions of the plot, Dead Oswald and Arrested Oswald were intensely fighting for his possession and that struggle came to a violent end when Oswald, or some other member of the plot, killed Tippit. After that the patsy HAD to be caught alive.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  188. gatobart says:

    “Marrs writes that Burroughs told him that Oswald purchased a ticket and even bought some popcorn; that he entered the theater shortly after 1 p.m., prior to the Tippit shooting”

    Actually, Oswald couldn’t have arrived to the Theater Texas THAT shortly after 1.00PM because Mrs. Roberts, his housekeeper, declared that he had arrived to the rooming house that afternoon at around 1.00 PM (she used as reference the news report she was watching at that moment) and that he stormed into his room; that he stayed in it for a few minutes and then he stormed out. She said also that she went to look out in the window and that she saw him for the last time in the nearest bus stop, that of a bus going in the opposite direction to the one that would have taken him to the spot where Tippit was killed. All that should have taken at least five minutes.

    What her testimony leaves clear is that, if her timing is right, Oswald couldn’t have been arrived to the Texas Theater THAT shortly after 1.00PM, unless someone had taken him in a very fast vehicle. I don’t know the distance between the rooming house and the T.T. but according some map here in internet it has to be at least a mile, more than 10 blocks, and there is no way Oswald could have gone from one place to the other in 5 minutes unless someone took him in a vehicle. The same about the spot where Tippit was killed. If we add Roger Craig’s testimony (which cost him his reputation, his job, his career and ultimately his life) we may feel free to conclude that from the moment Oswald left the TSBD, three minutes after the shooting, he was being handled by others and that, when needed, he was being transported from place to place in a fast running vehicle (I’ll. dare to say, NOT a police cruiser).

  189. Sparkon says:
    @gatobart

    Sorry, but there is was at least one witness who saw him there and recognized him and there was even a picture taken minutes after the shooting showing him also around the building and from which his image was cropped out by police or the WC itself.

    Sorry again, but you’ll need to provide a citation or source for that, which you should always do without being asked whenever making bold assertions about JFK’s assassination.

    So the guy was a criminal, a FBI informant, and he is the most credible witness to you, even more than completely uninvolved, free, never having charged with any crime witnesses, who insisted that Jack Ruby was actually there, in front of the TSBD right after the shooting. Your research work must be splendorous..!

    Vanderslice was given credibility by the authorities because he had provided reliable information in the past, and you should know that attacking a source is always a fallacy.

    In any event, Jack Ruby was seen in the Dallas Morning News Building shortly after the assassination, so there are other witnesses who more or less corroborate Vanderslice’s account.

    One of the witnesses, Richard L. Saunders, an advertising salesman at the [Dallas Morning] News, and a man who knew Ruby well, testified that he watched the President’s motorcade … He told the Commission that he got in his car and drove back to his office where he saw Jack Ruby standing by his (Saunders’) desk.

    […]

    Rea then left the advertising office and went upstairs to the editorial room. He returned to the ad office at 1:00 p.m. to see Jack Ruby “sitting at Don Campbell’s desk.”

    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Third-Fourth%20Decade%206-17%20--%2020-93%20Conference/Item%2002.pdf

    Of course Vanderslice could be lying and instead of heading toward the newspaper offices, Ruby actually walked toward the TSBD, and the people in the Dallas Morning News Building might all be lying too, but you know, I don’t think so.

    So let’s see that picture of Ruby in front of the TSBD, and/or the witness account of his presence in front of the TSBD after the assassination, and we’ll go from there.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  190. JWalters says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    “which influential person caused presidential contender Al Gore to unexpectedly – and surprisingly – chose Joe Lieberman as running mate in early August”

    Maybe at that point Gore looked back over history and decided losing might not be a bad idea?

  191. gatobart says:

    “Vanderslice was given credibility by the authorities because he had provided reliable information in the past, and you should know that attacking a source is always a fallacy”.

    You are a joker, or a troll. “The guy was given credibility by the authorities”. Which authorities…? You mean the same authorities who had decided that Lee Harvey Oswald was the man who murdered JFK and that he acted alone even before he had been officially charged with the crime and without even informing him about them…? The same authorities who switched two crucial frames of the Zapruder film to make it appear as if Kennedy had thrown his head to the front when hit by the head shot and then, when caught, casually responded that it had been just a technical mistake (Hoover)…? The same authorities who tried to convince the world that a mediocre shot like Oswald was was able to achieve impossible three shots in just 6 seconds, shots that no world class champion or sniper was ever able to reproduce, even trying their hand with stationary targets…? You are a joke. The nerve of this guy. I HAVE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE ABOUT THE SIGHTING OF JR AROUND THE TSBD. But at the same time I have to completely accept the word of a criminal and paid government informant just because “the authorities vouch for him”, I have to take their word for it, no evidence needed. Go away. And no, I wont go anywhere with you. Bye.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  192. gatobart says:

    But just to show, just for the fun of it, that your “arguments” are not worth a dime, this is what the Saunders testimony really was and how credible it was:

    “He told the Commission that he got in his car and drove back to his office where he saw Jack Ruby standing by his (Saunders’) desk. Saunders estimated that it took him a total of 10 minutes to arrive at his office and he arrived at 12:40 p.m. He was insistent that the trip could be made in 10 minutes; however, he agreed that, with the general confusion around the area, the traffic was somewhat stacked up and waiting for a couple of lights to get to the office did cause a delay [12]. If Saunders was correct and he arrived, as he said, at 12:40 and saw Ruby at his desk, it would be difficult to establish that Ruby was at the TSBD at the time of the shooting. But as stated earlier, this alone does not support the time element testified to. If, for example, Saunders said that he returned to the office, saw Ruby, and punched a time clock, at the same time, the time clock evidence would support the testimony. There was no time clock at the News for Saunders to punch, but there was other evidence available to discredit Saunders’ time claims. The ad salesman told the Commission that while standing next to the car at the triple underpass, he heard a directive over the police radio on one of the traffic motorcycles. From Saunders’ testimony: [13] SAUNDERS: . . at that moment a directive came over the police radio on one of the motorcycles that the shooting came from — and they directed the personnel — whoever they were talking to over the radio to the given window, which has now been purported that from which the shots of the assassin came. . . . They said — I believe — it was the next to the top floor, an open window – at the far right-hand side, and then there was evidently some communication there which I missed, and they clarified, “No, as you are standing facing the building it would be on the sixth floor.” Since verbatim transcripts of the Dallas Police radio logs were provided to the Commission, a communication such as the one described by Saunders, along with the time, could be checked. If Saunders left the scene immediately and was able to return to his office in 10 minutes, which was doubtful, simply adding 10 minutes to the time posted on the radio log would give the more accurate time of his return. In checking Channel 1 of the radio logs [14], there is no such communication, but on Channel 2, a conversation does take place that, no doubt, is the message heard by Saunders. At 12:37 p.m., Officer 22 (Patrolman L.L. Hill) transmits the following message: [151 Get some men over here to cover this school depository building. It’s believed the shot came from, as you see it on Elm Street, looking toward the building, it would be upper right-hand corner, second window from the end. If Saunders heard the message at 12:37, it would have been impossible for him to return to his office by 12:40 as he testified. If he was able to make the trip in 10 minutes, he would have arrived at 12:47, to see, as he described it, “Ruby wandering around in the office . . . shook up and ashen white, virtually speechless, which is quite unusual for Jack Ruby.” [161 Another employee of the News…”

    So, acc. to the timelines from real life, Saunders couldn’t have been back in his office before at least 12:47 and the people who said they saw Ruby in front of the TSBD talked about “the minutes right after the shooting, at 12:30”. That is why it is tiring and a waste of time paying attention to these newcomers who think they know it all because they have watched a 30 min. documentary. In any case the whole article can be found in
    http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/T%20Disk/Third-Fourth%20Decade%206-17%20--%2020-93%20Conference/Item%2002.pdf

  193. Sparkon says:
    @gatobart

    So you’ve got nothing to substantiate your claim about Ruby being in front of the TSBD immediately after the assassination beyond histrionics and more name calling,

    But nice hissy fit. You might check with Central Casting as they’re always looking for drama queens.

    And yes, you definitely do have to provide evidence to back up your claims. In the United States we say:

    Put up or shut up.

    So let’s hope you are sincere in your departure, but before you go, it was the Internal Revenue Service that had been using Bob Vanderslice as an informant “concerning illegal criminal activities,” resulting in about 15 examinations and 30 audits. It was an IRS agent who described Vanderslice as “reliable.”

    Oswald was seen at the Texas theater by at least 3 witnesses, including Julia Postal who sold him a ticket, Butch Burroughs who sold him popcorn, and

    Jack Davis, a theater patron, who told him that Oswald sat next to him minutes after the 1 p.m. beginning of the film.

    fk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/T Disk/Third-Fourth Decade 6-17 — 20-93 Conference/Item 09.pdf

  194. gatobart says:

    Anyway, I’m done with you, troll. Don’t call me, I’ll call you. (I won’t). In any case, my comments here related to the JFK assassination are meant to contribute with the conversation, to be read by people who can take a fresh look at them and use them for their own analysis, if they consider it worth of attention, not to serve as bait for every jealous loser who can’t afford his own model.

  195. @anarchyst

    I was persuade y the case made by RU for the anti Frank case but one of my main reasons was accepting that there wasn’t much antisemitism in Georgia and that a Southern jury would have readily accepted that the black Conley was the killer. But I now see that resentment of the Cornell educated Jew probably speaking like a Yankee was perhaps just as much of a problem. Conley’s changing story is pretty worrying too.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Ron Unz
  196. @Laurent Guyénot

    So as long as didn’t try to blackmail them as Robert Maxwell may have done he was safe.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  197. @Wizard of Oz

    You’ve got a dose of the Brandons there, Wizz. Commas are your friends.

  198. @Wizard of Oz

    Where do you get ‘Cubans’? If you mean fascist emigre’ Cubans, you’re on the money. If you mean Castroite Cubans-well that’s another kettle of fish.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  199. @Wizard of Oz

    Funny stuff! Johnson loathed the Kennedys who despised him.

    • Replies: @No jack London
  200. @mulga mumblebrain

    As the presumption is that they are making sucker out of a chap who had tried to kill a US general and use him for what he might be good for it doesn’t really matter which.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  201. @mulga mumblebrain

    I think it was Jack Ruby who killed Oswald.

  202. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    “not even the perpetrators knew what was really going on, and hence everything that is supposedly brought to light is riddled with internal contradictions.”

    What you have just described is a successful Deep State operation.

    Part of covering up your activity is to leave behind lots of false leads and confusion.

    Another part is manipulating the players to motivate them to do what you want them to do.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  203. @gnbRC

    “Ford, I don’t know of any behind the scenes control – but I haven’t studied it.”

    I actually met and spent a little time with Ford in my younger days–and the guy was seriously stupid–I was stunned that he even had been elected a congressman.

    J. Edgar Hoover had blackmail files on Ford–Ford liked to spend his leisure time in DC clubs with prostitutes.

    There is Ford’s actual handwriting on draft reports of the Warren Commission report where Ford altered (falsified) the description of the path of the “magic bullet”. There is no way he had the intelligence to do that without serious hand-holding from either the FBI or the CIA.

  204. anon[105] • Disclaimer says:

    This is like when astronomers were piggybacking epicycles on top of epicycles in a tortured attempt to avoid the obvious, simple, but religiously forbidden conclusion that the sun does not go round and round the earth. We got here some foreigner ruminating on a guy who worked for CIA, in the thick of CIA coup de main for decades, helping carry out a routine, standard CIA coup – but but but not for CIA, for some pissant foreign bureau of a weakling statelet utterly dependent on CIA for illegal nuke proliferation.

    And as the inquisition of Pope William Joseph XVIII closes in, everybody’s frantically trying to shut up the crazy wop Eugenio Galilei telling you, Eppur si i a blewo tuo fucko presidentos abrains aouta, stunod.

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  205. @anon

    Hello, Shmuel. How was Shavuot this year? I hope you enjoyed it.

  206. anarchyst says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Leo Frank had a top-notch legal team that should have been able to prove Frank’s innocence, which they could not do.
    Frank was known to abuse women in his employ. Most did not complain as jobs were hard to get and it was much easier to take the abuse than to be unemployed.
    I stand by my statements. Frank was guilty as hell and received true justice.
    Regards,

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  207. “Top notch legal teams” don’t always get it right and I am not sure why a non lawyer like you would e press such passionate certainty. (I say “non lawyer” because it is wrong to write of them proving Frank’s innocence. They just had to raise reasonable doubt).

    It. Occurs to me that bad things done by Frank’s team/supporters may have rebounded badly against him. If the jury decided that a bloody shirt had been planted in Conley or Lee who were alternative suspects that might have been deadly for Frank. As to being abusive to women in his employ I gather that there may be some problem with their evidence and it is hard to say what young male executive abuse of young women in the early 1900s would tend to prove.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  208. @anarchyst

    Adding to my reply to your “top legal team” point I note that Cadinal George Pell had, unsurprisingly, the top legal team for his trial on grounds of sexualising abuse of boys long ago but, after one hung jury was then convicted. He went to gaol. Months later after a 1-2 loss in the state Court of Appeal he won 7-nil in the country’s highest court – and not on a technicality.

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  209. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But I now see that resentment of the Cornell educated Jew probably speaking like a Yankee was perhaps just as much of a problem.

    For more than 100 years, the ADL and other pro-Frank analysts have advocated a particular theory of the case. According to them, the police and judicial authorities in the Old South of Atlanta quickly determined that 13-year-old Mary Phagan had been raped and murdered by an illiterate black janitor, but decided to protect him by framing an entirely innocent wealthy white businessman.

    Thus, these pro-KKK white racists deliberately sought to have a black rapist and murderer freed and released back into the community, allowing him to rape and murder other young white girls. This theory seems rather implausible to me.

    I’d say it’s about as implausible as the other theory you’ve been promoting for the last couple of years, namely that both JFK and his brother RFK were accidentally shot and killed by their own bodyguards, a quite remarkable coincidence.

    It’s hard to decide why a particular commenter would make such an effort to convince everyone he’s exceptionally gullible and dim-witted.

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  210. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:

    Mefobills says:Next New Comment
    June 7, 2022 at 1:51 am GMT • 1.5 hours ago • 100 Words ↑
    @Anonymous
    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress.

    You really don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Don’t say things a stupid idiot would say.
    _____________________________

    You are right, I worded it wrong. This is what I said:

    The 17’th amendment allowed State Legislatures to send their Senators to Congress. Before 17’th Senators were NOT elected, and hence could not be as easily influenced with Kompromat, nor did they need money to run election campaigns. State Legislators could recall their Senators if they no longer worked for their state.

    Here it is again, worded better: The 17’th amendment disenfranchised state legislatures from directly sending their Senators to Congress. Before the 17’th the Senators were NOT elected…

    Now you can apologize for being an ass.

    Sooooo many flaws with you. You don’t understand that Senators were ELECTED by state legislatures?

    So you’re completely wrong on everything and somehow I should apologize? Interesting system. Fortunately I don’t work for you, Johnny Massengill.

  211. @Wizard of Oz

    Pell was gotten off by a complicated contrivance. Not pursuing the numerous more cogent accusations (there were many), the ‘authorities’ chose one (the cathedral trial) where, conveniently, the other victim of two had died. Unfortunately a jury found Pell guilty, and the other trial (the swimmers)was dropped by the legal authorities, for the usual hilarious ‘legal’ reasons
    The Court of Appeal upheld his conviction 2-1, but the High Court did its duty to the Establishment, and dismissed the conviction. So a jury and two Court of Appeal judges had no idea, but the High Court saw through the lies of the so-called ‘victims’.
    Pell, of course, was a vociferous Rightist, a climate change denier, clerical bully-boy and, thus beloved of the Murdoch cancer. A Church reactionary, he was favoured by Wojtyla, that great Papal protector of priestly paedophiles.All in all a fine display of impunity for those who work for the powers-that-be.

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  212. @mulga mumblebrain

    Stick to your knitting. Total fact free BS. The key to salvation by law was the presence on the incompetent Vic Court of Appeal of Mark Weinberg, former Commonwealth Director of Public Prosecutions who wrote a very long dissenting judgment. The ignorance of the CJ, a former commercial solicitor I believe, was to be expected. The failure of Chris Maxwell was more surprising to me but, as a former Court of Appeal judge said, who was no fan of Pell, “thank G for Mark Weinberg”. The idea that there was anything corrupted, collusive or untoward about the High Court’s unanimous judgment is ridiculous. Talk about herding cats!

    As to the old suggestions of untoward behaviour when he was a young priest with theological students or whomever it seems likely that it was finally recognised how inappropriate, to say the least, the Vic Police fishing expedition had been.

    Have you read the stuff by the leading “atheist for George” Keith Windschuttle? You should before you blather more about the case.

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  213. @Ron Unz

    I have to spend quite a lot of credit justifying my contributing to UR in the desperate hope of helping the webzine’s once high achieving owner to avoid being entirely written off as an obstinate, narcissistic crank who won’t admit even the most obvious probable or quite likely errors and now sadly is reduced to repeating untrue and fully rebutted misstatements of my position(s) on the Kennedy assassinations. I have resisted the conclusion that you have taken to telling lies in favour of acknowledging that an ageing brain may be showing early signs of decline.

    I am far from being convinced that Frank wasn’t guilty but your reply is almost frivolously inadequate when you apparently know nothing about who was actually on the jury and say nothing about the extraordinary caste of characters who carried out and witnessed the lynching. It’s as if your knowledge of the pre WW1 South was built from imbibing g popup clichés with no more real knowledge than you had of Ukraine when you first started bloviating well beyond your competence some years ago. (BTW had you heard that the original summoning of the Maidan protest crowd was by a Ukrainian son of Afghan refugees using social media?)
    Do you know how all the meticulous research and writing up of it was done for/by the Georgia Governor who reprieved Frank? I would expect you, with your view of the case, to have shored it up by naming the outside lawyers and research staff that were on the ADL payroll. I was cancelled by an FT Comments moderator when I sought to take on Simon Schama over his assumptions about the case based on what I had read in UR. Why don’t you offer him space to consider the alternative UR version dispassionately, at least pointing to the points of doubt for a professional historian? You could point out that you provide a readership that needs his dispassionate judgment badly.

  214. anarchyst says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve read the court transcripts. Frank was guilty as hell…

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  215. anon[871] • Disclaimer says:

    Ooh snap, RedpilledAF! It has the electrolytes plants need. Before the rubber hammer hit your knee and boinged your painstakingly inculcated You’re-a-Jew reflex, did you ever experience any intrusive inklings that maybe your own lawless intelligence agency has a mind of its own? Did that thought scare you? Did it insult your delusions of democracy?

    Have you ever had a clearance of any sort? Have you ever had a foreign counterpart? Have you ever been abroad? Do you have any idea how the world works? Either you’re a wannabe glowie or you’re one of those intellectually helpless flag dupes. I’m honestly curious which.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  216. @anarchyst

    Would you mind e plaining a couple of suggested/possible difficulties to me. I gather that Conley’s evidence both changed and was also impossible in one version. That must have been brought up by the defence and responded to by the prosecution. What do you get from the transcript on that?

    Another thing that comes back is that a bloody shirt seemed to have been planted on one of the black suspects. If the jury believed that had been done by Frank’s team that could have been devastating. What did you learn about that from your reading of the transcript?
    It was a long trial and it must have taken you many days to read the transcript especially if you were making notes. Were you doing it with a view to writing a book, thesis or article? If so have you published it?

  217. @Ron Unz

    Thus, these pro-KKK white racists deliberately sought to have a black rapist and murderer freed and released back into the community, allowing him to rape and murder other young white girls. This theory seems rather implausible to me.

    Up to a point Lord Copper.

    I wondered about the KKK in Georgia and it appears that you deploy your handwriting assumptions to find a useful phrase which isn’t supported by the facts. The KKK briefly flourished in 1867-68 to threaten both uppity blacks and Republican voters but thereafter subsided into romanticised memory. and was only revived in Georgia in 1915. Your knowledge of the old South and its attitudes clearly doesn’t extend to being able to compare attitudes to humble blacks who constituted no threat to attitudes to uppity rich Jews with Northern accents. There are several people or groups to look at including the prosecutor with something to prove, police investigators who thought Frank acted guilty and the lynch mob who, if like many other lynchers, would as happily have killed whites as blacks.

    And BTW have you considered how Georgian Jews at the time responded? How many left Georgia having learned that they were more resented than blacks?
    Another thing: where is zoo Watson in your narrative ?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  218. @Wizard of Oz

    Last line/point should have been “where is Tom Watson in your narrative?”

  219. @anon

    Ok, Shmuel. So how was your Shavuot?

  220. anon[179] • Disclaimer says:

    I see. You think and think and come up with playground Nyah-nyah. You’re not really smart enough for like, opinions. No cognitive model of how the world works.

    Jews are lazy and not very smart. They’re no match for 4-sigma Aryans like this commenter. But they’re right that they’re smarter than goys like you. No wonder you’re so oppressed.

  221. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    I found the color photograph, or slide, known as Willis 8 (or sometimes #14) that shows a rear view of a man standing near the front of the TSBD. Some people think this is Jack Ruby.

    https://emuseum.jfk.org/objects/23013/-

    You can decide for yourself whether or not that is Jack Ruby, but I would not try to make a positive identification of Jack Ruby, or almost anyone else, from that kind of rear view.

    However, the figure in the color photo does not appear to be balding badly on the crown of his head, (MPB), as Ruby appears to be in other pictures of him where we have positive ID, so I don’t think that is Jack Ruby, as the hairlines don’t match.

    YVMV

    By the way, rough xerox-type copies of that color photo, and the photographer’s name, Phillip L. Willis, along with the other pictures of Ruby from the rear are included in the document I’ve already cited. Scroll down to page 6 in the PDF to see the hairlines.

    fk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/T Disk/Third-Fourth Decade 6-17 — 20-93 Conference/Item 02.pdf

  222. Angleton, because of his oversized need for ego-stroking, sold out his country, Palestine, and the entire ME for the positive strokes the Jews gave him. May he burn long in Hell’s Ninth Circle.

  223. gatobart says:
    @Justvisiting

    Another part is manipulating the players to motivate them to do what you want them to do.

    You may add to that, some of those players, even important, crucial ones, may not even know that they are playing an important role in a conspiracy, Deep State op, they don’t even suspect is taking place. The names of Roy Truly and Marrion Baker and others may come to mind.

  224. Che Guava says:
    @Durruti

    Thanks, Durruti.

    The obvious answer is that both J.F. and R.F. were concerned about, and intended to end, Israel’s various WMD programmes, and particularly the nuclear weapons programme centred around Dimona.

    Also intend to read the OP’s LSD with Marilyn document. Doubt that it will be convincing. but likely entertaining.

  225. ChuckyL75 says:

    Laurent, we thank you for another meticulously researched and fascinating article. James Jesus Angleton seems to have been among the top three main conspirators after Ben Gurion in the JFK assassination along with Lyndon Johnson and the Jewish mafia boss Meyer Lansky.

    I have two questions for you: 1/ do you know what was the exact role of J Edgar Hoover, the long time FBI Director in this conspiracy? Was he deeply involved too? Piper doesn’t talk much about him but he surely must have been involved at the highest level or been given assurances he’d keep his job if he looked the other way. 2/ Are you considering writing an article on James Jesus Angleton and Henry Kissinger’s roles in plotting to bring down President Nixon with the Watergate scandal? You will certainly be the first one to delve deeply into it and you will probably make some discoveries.

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  226. @Wizard of Oz

    My knitting is exemplary. Under the ‘Common Law’ judges may ‘find’ anything they are looking for in ‘precedent’ or ex nihilo. The entire corpse-sorry-corpus of the law is a class-riddled machine for ensuring and perpetuating elite rule forever.
    Judges are selected for their class reliability, and when a genius interloper like Murphy somehow is appointed, he upturns more bulldust in a few years than all his predecessors, then is framed and eliminated. The ideological test in not as blatant here as in the USA, but under scoundrel and class warrior Howard, every judge, like every senior Public Servant, was appointed for ideological reliability.
    Pell was a pillar of the Right in this country, and of the reactionary Catholicism of Wojtyla, so his evasion of justice was a high priority. You could see it as the police ignored numerous cases, choosing only two, one of which convinced a jury and two out of three Appeals judges, despite one of the victims having died. The other case was mysteriously dropped despite being even more cogent. The ruling class looking after one of its own-I bored people senselessly predicting this outcome as it slowly unfolded, even while Pell had a little holiday in ‘college’. And feck me!-quoting Keith Windschuttle, so far Right he has met his old Bolshie self after transversing the universe. You MUST be kidding. Try Andrew Bolt next time, for added bathos.
    And your dismissing of the mountains of complaints (these victims must NOT be believed, apparently)and evidence from victims and even adult eye-witnesses of ‘Big George’s’ behaviour make me wonder a little about you Wizz. I wonder what skeletons may be lurking in your closet.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  227. @Wizard of Oz

    Dear me-how the mighty have fallen. ‘Either’ fascist emigres or Castroite operatives. No difference between them, at all. Just a bunch of ‘spicks’, eh.

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  228. @mulga mumblebrain

    Good luck predicting outcomes and avoiding surprises with that simplistic ideological understanding of the law and its processes. However you prompt a thought by mention of that extraordinary Pole, Wojtyla, and his blindness to pederasts. I look back and find nothing in my life which gives me the slightest feeling for or understanding of sexual attraction to the young of either sex. I remember vaguely noticing one of my contemporaries who had matured physically very early stroking the neck of another boy who was very smooth and nubile but that was about it. I have trouble even feeling anything but pity for someone like Rolf Harris who had been such a jolly entertainer but behaved outrageously. So I suspect that the Pope in question may have been simply unable to believe that priests could let God and the Church down so badly.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  229. @mulga mumblebrain

    Why do you waste time being perverse and even contradicting something you have yourself said or implied. Both lots have had motives attributed to them plausibly enough for most conspiracy minded people.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  230. Chadwick says: • Website

    There were TWO different people posing as a ‘Babushka Lady’ in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. One BL was present before and during the assassination, then shortly thereafter was replaced by another BL.

    I’ve written an ebook on this subject, which includes analysis of the photographic evidence. It can be downloaded for free from:

    https://aninspiredbitoftreason.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
  231. @Mike Fridelle

    Yep my link got blocked back when I attempted to share a story about hunter’s laptop.

  232. Gnosis says:

    The Judeo-Masonic conspiracy of temporal power which is Romanism is alive, real & manifest’s as a fictitious movie diary entity S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Tavistock institute/MI6 is the Minerva force behind the duality dogma. Those that can see, those that need to be shown & those that cannot see.

  233. @Wizard of Oz

    But Wizz, I’m trying to find which Cubans YOU are referencing. As it is the Cuban emigres, many of whom were and remain (where still extant) murderous gangsters, WANTED Kennedy dead and made no secret of it, while the Castroites were communicating with Kennedy in order to find a way to end the sanctions, terrorist attacks on Cuba, and the risk of world war seen in 1962.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  234. @Wizard of Oz

    Wojtyla was a fascist, and paederasty among fascists is well known. As it is, during his Papacy there was growing evidence of widespread priestly paedophilia, including in Ballarat, Pell’s bailiwick, from 1973-83.
    In Ballarat priestly paedophilia was so widespread that at St. Alipius School ALL the priests and the chaplain were molesting children during the 70s. But ‘Big George’ knew nothing. One third of the boys in one class had later suicided, but Big George knew nothing. Suicide among victims went ‘through the roof’ in following years, but Big George knew nothing. Big George shared a house with one of the worst paedophile priests, Gerald Risdale, but he knew nothing. On and on one could go.
    And like Wojtyla and Ratzfuncker, Wojtyla’s right-hand goon, Big George opposed a cleaning of the Augean stables of priestly paedophilia, until he was exposed by victims, and a few honest journos, then he was rescued from his just desserts by the Establishment.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  235. @mulga mumblebrain

    Why not one lot pretending to be the other?

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  236. @mulga mumblebrain

    Your first sentence is worthy of a pimply 14 year old in a school debate. Fiddling with kids had been regrettably common beyond what I could have imagined until a couple of decades or 3 ago. I am agnostic about George though I am inclined to agree with the Jewish QC who told me he thought he was innocent. I don’t know if he thought he was innocent of concealing the crimes of others. In the case of the Pope I have no reason to believe that, as for me for much of my life, he just couldn’t envisage the reality (which may have been less prevalent in Poland anyway). In George’s case I would be more inclined to believe that he thought the beleaguered state of the faith required cover ups.

  237. Meimou says:
    @R.G. Camara

    Your official narrative handwaving doesn’t negate the cover up

    Fact: One of the first things Johnson did as president was to destroy the crime scene.

    Now start posting under your real name Ms Culter.

  238. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Perhaps it’s a nuclear umbrella.

    What exactly do Jews, Christians and Muslims mean by their peculiar words for “God”?

    What’s the difference between “God” and money?

    Isn’t it obvious that money is issued by “authorities” in temples, treasuries, “bank” corporations, and other institutions hiding behind this vague word — “God”?

    Look at money.

    What exactly do the numbers represent?

    What exactly is one “dollar”?

    What exactly is one “pound”?

    What exactly is one “franc”?

    Numbers must signify something to be meaningful.

    What is money?

    Why is the answer to this question the world’s best-kept secret?

    What is the one commodity for which all forms of biological life compete even before water, air, sunlight, and energy?

    And what is the relationship between the money power and atomic power?

  239. @ChuckyL75

    Thanks for your appreciation, and for the suggestions. And
    I do not have specific information on Hoover’s involvement. I suspect that he knew perfectly well that he was lying when indicting Oswald, even before the Warren Commission started working, and that he had been convinced to do so by Johnson. And it is clear that he was happy to be rid of JFK and to announce it to RFK. Other than that, I have no clue.
    Regarding Angleton’s involvement in Watergate coup against Nixon, I found the idea in Piper’s Final Judgment, as I wrote, and have not pursued the case beyond that. It would certainly be a worthy investigation, but, given Angleton’s extreme secrecy, I doubt that more can be found than what Piper already mentionned.
    Another interesting lead that I found in Piper (as I reread it recently), and which would be worth pursuig, is in his section on “John Connally’s assassination”, where I learned that Connally had turned out to be, in the 70 and 80s, a very outspoken critic of Israel, leading mainstream journalists to call for his assassination as another potential Hitler. What Connally already a marked man in 1963?

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  240. @Chadwick

    Very interesting. My first impression is that your theory is a valid working hypothesis, but that the scenario seems very risky. Is a weapon that looked like a camera and could shoot bullets (or what else) with precision conceivable in 1963? One way to test your theory is whether any of the Babushka Lady’s photographs are known. If yes, that would prove she had a camera, not a weapon. If no, then that is indeed strange. I am also puzzle by your claim that, according to Gary L. Aguilar’s compendium of recollections from the Parkland Hospital personnel, “almost nobody at Parkland observed an entry wound which could account for the large, gaping wound” in the back of JFK’s skull. I’ll check Aguilar’s report, which seems available on the web. Thanks for this very impressive contribution.

    • Replies: @Chadwick
  241. ChuckyL75 says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    Laurent, I believe that governor Connolly quickly realised who was behind the crime in Dallas where he was a victim too, hence his anti-Israel stance.

    On the subject of Edgar J Hoover, he was obviously too powerful a man (with 40 years as head of the FBI at the time) not to know anything about the murder of JFK. Although he probably wasn’t involved in the planning and execution, he must have known about it through all his contacts in the US.

    One key point that is of capital importance and which I had completely forgotten about when I wrote my first comment to you is that Meyer Lansky, the Jewish mafia boss, had incriminating photos of Edgar Hoover engaging in homosexual activity with one of his assistants, I believe, a man named Tolson. This incriminating evidence allowed Lansky to blackmail Edgar J Hoover and keep him from meddling in the JFK assassination plans (assuming that Edgar Hoover had wanted to interfere).

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  242. Chadwick says:
    @Laurent Guyénot

    I admit I am not a firearms expert, but I don’t see what the major impediment would be to disguising a gun as a camera, especially considering the resources available to the ‘Deep State’. Keep in mind that a really convincing disguise would not be crucial: Very few people were in the vicinity to BL during the shooting, and, as I detail in later sections, the people who WERE close to BL in Dealey Plaza were in on the scheme, in my opinion.
    I am not aware of any pictures taken from the position of the BL.
    As for the head wounds, one Parkland doctor explicitly stated that the ONLY wound he saw on JFK’s head was on the right, rear side. In other words, no entry wound.

    Some of the links in the footnotes section are no longer valid. If you can’t find something, let me know and if I have it, I’ll send it to you.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  243. Sparkon says:
    @Chadwick

    I admit I am not a firearms expert, but I don’t see what the major impediment would be to disguising a gun as a camera, especially considering the resources available to the ‘Deep State’.

    I‘m sorry but this entire scenario makes no sense, and ignores well known initial medical descriptions of Kennedy’s wound of entry in the throat and another in the right temple area, both fired by one or more snipers in front of the motorcade.

    And why would any Deep State even contrive such a nutty plan when it was easy enough to shoot JFK from the bushes? Sure, you or Q could design a camera that contained a weapon, but it would have a relatively short barrel with no buttstock, making it inaccurate and difficult to aim.

    There was a relatively large population of Russian emigres in and around Dallas by the 1960s, so there’s really nothing all that unusual about a couple of women covering their heads in the Russian style, or that two of them might have been watching the parade, although the figure with the very fat calves could be some dude in drag.

  244. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    From the beginning, Arlen Specter was deeply involved in the coverup offensive of the JFK assassination, he picked up the bullet from the evidence supplied, supposedly, by the FBI, and began the single bullet theory. Specter set up an office in the Parkland Hospital, summoning and interviewing/intimidating witnesses, ‘You didn’t hear 4,5,or 6 shots’ that day on the Plaza; telling them what they heard and saw, and when they wouldn’t lie, he wrote their testimony for them for the record in Warren Commission. http://whokilledjfk.net/magic_bullet.htm https://www.jfk-info.com/whitmey1.htm

  245. Sparkon says:

    From the beginning, Arlen Specter was deeply involved in the coverup

    No he wasn’t! The cover-up began the day of the assassination.

    Although Specter is commonly given “credit” for the single-bullet theory…

    Bugliosi, p. 301–306. “Warren Commission staff lawyer Norman Redlich was asked by author Vincent Bugliosi in 2005 whether Specter was the sole author of the single bullet theory, and he said, ‘No, we all came to this conclusion simultaneously.’ When asked who he meant by ‘we’, he said, ‘Arlen, myself, Howard Willens, David Belin, and Mel Eisenberg.’ Specter did not respond to Bugliosi’s request for a clarification on the issue.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theory

    Whatever the case, the WC’s single-bullet theory did not emerge until “the end of April 1964.”

    But the coverup and whitewash of Pres. Kennedy’s assassination began already on Nov. 22, 1963 when Secret Service agents hijacked JFK’s corpse from the lawful medical authorities in Dallas, Texas so that a bogus autopsy, or actually two of them, could be conducted in Washington D.C.

    I’ve already cited that article “The Magic Bullet: Even More Magical Than We Knew?” by Gary Aguilar and Josiah Thompson a number of times here at UR, as it indicates the famous Magic Bullet, CE399, with a rounded tip was not the same bullet with a pointed tip found at Parkland by Darrel Tomlinson and inspected by O.P. Wright, before it was given to Secret Service agent Richard Johnson.

    If we pick up Jack Ruby’s trail at the Dallas Morning News Building at 1 pm, he was seen at Parkland Hospital “an hour after the assassination” by Seth Kantor, who knew Ruby well, and spoke with him there. However, Ruby later denied it and the Warren Commission chose to believe hoodlum liar Jack Ruby and not journalist Seth Kantor.

    Why? Most likely because it was Ruby who’d planted the pointy tipped bullet at Parkland. That bullet was likely matched to the Mauser initially found at the TSBD, which might indicate some patsy at the TSBD other than Oswald, like one of the black guys who left his chicken bones in the sniper’s nest.

    • Replies: @Cking
  246. Jimmy1969 says:

    This article is 95% nonsense. It is almost impossible to find out anything real about Angleton and so people make things up. The Yale Professor who recruited Angleton into the OSS was named Norman Pearson. Much later he wrote a scholarly book on intelligence indicating nothing about Angleton will ever be revealed. Clowns of course pretend to have known him and/or what he did. This article is a James Bond fantasy.

  247. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    Quoting Bugliosi? I don’t know why you bothered to reply. Nevertheless your assertion that it was Ruby who planted the ‘magic bullet’ at Parkland is plausible; yet it’s still speculation, not evidence. However, we can plant Arlen Specter in an upstairs office at Parkland. And an FBI agent who says he never took a bullet from the two Parkland employees, noting even if he forgot, there was no #302 report on that ‘evidence’. And witnesses, among them Jean Hill, were taken to Parkland to be interviewed by Arlen Specter seeking cooperation in their testimony, for the Warren Commission. I believe there was a long plan here; the whole JFK assassination could not have been done on the fly. In regard to the assassination of officer Tippet, his body may have served as a body double for the President. Robert and Mrs. Jaqueline Kennedy when viewing JFK’s open casket said ‘it doesn’t even look like him’. In hindsight the magic bullet is not evidence.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  248. Sparkon says:
    @Cking

    If Ruby planted a bullet at Parkland on Nov. 22, 1963, it couldn’t have been CE399. Both Tomlinson and Wright said CE399, the Magic Bullet, did not resemble the bullet they handled at Parkland on Nov. 22, and thereafter gave to a Secret Service agent, not an FBI agent. The FBI subsequently got the bullet from James J. Rowley, head of the Secret Service, who presumably got it from SA Johnson.

    Nice chain of possession…

    Psst. And nice try by you to ignore the Secret Service’s actions or lack thereof on Nov. 22, and hammer instead on Arlen Specter, as if it were he who’d altered JFK’s motorcade route, relaxed JFK’s security, and hijacked JFK’s corpse from Parkland.

    I doubt that Arlen Specter had anything at all to do with the assassination, or with the immediate cover-up. He came along later to try to make the evidence fit a predetermined verdict of a lone nut assassin shooting from the TSBD, but many people, if not most, reject the Magic Bullet theory, and have for a long time.

    And Arlen Specter sure didn’t play any role in the hijacking of Pres. Kennedy’s body at gunpoint from the lawful custody of Dallas County medical examiner Earl Rose.

    Nice chain of possession there too.

    Yes, the entire Warren Commission from its inception was working toward that same predetermined conclusion fingering Oswald as the lone-nut assassin, which was outlined by FBI chief Hoover not long after the assassination, i.e. that the evidence was so overwhelming linking Oswald to the assassination that, had he lived, he would have been convicted.

    But I’ve known that the Warren Commission Report is complete rubbish since I read Harold Weisberg’s Whitewash in 1966, and I’ve doubted that Oswald killed Pres. Kennedy almost from the beginning, certainly from the time he was gunned down in the police station by Jack Ruby.

    Most Americans have always believed that JFK was killed as a result of a conspiracy.

    All of the monkey business with the bullet is covered in the article by Aguilar and Thompson.

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  249. Cking says:
    @Sparkon

    Whatever short cuts I made in this commentary, I left reference material for your perusal. There’s no way anyone could make legal, admissible substantive evidence from two bullets, the statements, and contradictions, of Wright, Tomlinson, FBI agent Odum, Secret Service, or whoever.

    Your characterization and attack on my reply is aggravating. OK , so your issue is Arlen Specter shouldn’t be brought into the picture of possible suspects/villains, since, you say, he could not be a member of the cabal of assassins. Screwing around with the ‘evidence’, tampering with the witnesses, making statements for the witnesses before the Warren Commission, or worse saying an object, a pristine bullet, found at the Parkland hospital gurney was evidentiary is serving the cabal. I know the Warren Commission was given a lot of leeway however their conduct was disgraceful, no matter the supposed issues. (LBJ’s peace of mind) In any court of law, let alone a respectable ‘commission’ investigating the assassination of JFK, the bullet or bullets, and/or the ‘magic bullet’ theory/narrative would be judged inadmissible for the jury/citizenry to seriously consider; unless one pointed to the ‘evidence’ and correctly charged that the ‘evidence’ was left to throw the law enforcement and investigators off the trail of real evidence gathering, allowing the guilty to get away. You say the majority of Americans today simply do not believe the magic bullet theory, so what are they to think of Arlen Specter today?

    http://whokilledjfk.net/magic_bullet.htm

    https://www.jfk-info.com/whitmey1.htm

  250. Cking says:
    @Punch Brother Punch

    You crass idiot. Ted Kennedy did not kill Mary Jo Kopechne. He could not have been in the car that turned over, pancaking the roof, jamming the doors, as the car sunk into the cold Chappaquiddick Pond. There’s no trace of shard glass wounds on Senator Ted Kennedy’s face. Back at the hotel, Ted was given an ultimatum, he took the neck brace, put it on, and the rest is MSM provided history.

  251. @Wizard of Oz

    An argument against the Cubans (of whatever stripe) killing Kennedy, or the mob, is that although both may have had motives, neither had the extraordinary reach, in US institutions, to manage the follow up deaths of numerous witnesses and involved people. Also, the disappearance of vital forensic evidence, such as JFK’s brain, must have been the work of high level state operatives.

    I have always considered the Ruby assassination to have been a contrived event because one can see, in the film footage, how the two men escorting LHO steer him toward the shooter. Also, there is no police officer walking in front, as is usual when escorting a suspect through a public space.

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