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9781783351015In the U.K. Spectator, American freelance hack Eric Weinberger reviews Another Day In The Death Of America, a book about America’s “gun culture”, written by Gary Younge, a black UK. Guardian writer who was born in the U.K. to Jamaican parents. It’s based on an investigation of 10 deaths that happened in one fairly average day in the U.S. in 2013. Younge traveled across America and interviewed relatives, funeral directors etc., many of whom couldn’t understand his British accent. Weinberger writes (emphases added):

He’s black, foreign, reporting for a liberal newspaper — surely he’s anti-gun, wary of law enforcement,an apologist for urban pathologies that ignore the primacy of ‘personal responsibility’, and so on. Indeed, he may be those things — none is bad! — but all of it is muted before the journalistic imperative to describe the daily hideous consequences of American gun culture, the thing ‘most foreigners find hardest to understand’.

But most Americans don’t understand it, either, because in our segregated countrypeople of different ethnic and racial backgrounds don’t live and struggle in the same communities in the same ways. Even though white gun culture is the most significant component of American violence, only one of these ten boys — they are all male — is white, from rural Michigan where, like all hunting states, guns proliferate, resulting in many homicides including what seems, in the case of Tyler Dunn (age 11), an accident at the hands of another kid. The 1950s-style full-page illustration of a prosperous white American family strangely chosen for the cover of Younge’s book represents instead the more fortunate people who, because of US structural inequality, are ‘better equipped to be safe’ in a gun country.

The American way of murder: investigating the deaths of children and teenagers in the USA, By Eric Weinberger, September 29, 2016

What obvious nonsense! It’s not America’s gun culture that’s killing blacks in the inner city–they’re not part of it, and most of their guns are illegal.

dannythorntonshotbypoliceIn an excerpt from his book (America’s war: the killing of Jaiden Dixon and Tyler Dunn, The Guardian, September 24, 2016) Younge highlights two of the ten murders. One is a white boy in Ohio who was killed by one of his young friends, who claimed that it was accidental, although it was at least dangerously negligent. The other is a black child named Jaiden who was shot by his white mother’s black ex-boyfriend, Danny Thornton. (Notthe father of that specific child.) Younge writes:

Danny Thornton was Jarid’s father. [Jarid was the child who wasn’t shot.] Nicole had met him years earlier at Sears, where he made keys. She was 19; he was 28. “We were never really together,” she says. “It was a back-and-forth kind of thing.” She hadn’t seen him since July. He’d found her over a year earlier, in January 2012, when he was in need of help. “He was getting ready to be evicted, and we decided to let him stay. He could spend time with Jarid and keep him under control, and I could help him get a job.”

While he was staying, Danny got to know Jaiden. He took him bowling. He told Nicole that Jaiden made him laugh, even that he preferred him to his own son.

But Nicole needed her room back. That made Danny angry, and he didn’t deal with anger well. His criminal history included charges o f felonious assault, domestic violence, attempted possession of drugs and c arrying a concealed weapon. He was also a semi-pro, super-middleweight boxer, 5ft 11in and around 160lb, who favoured the southpaw stance: right hand and right foot forward, leading with right jabs, and following up with a left cross, right hook. “He moved all his stuff out,” Nicole says. “I don’t know where. I didn’t care.”

Danny Thornton was obviously capable of killing a child or even a grown woman with his bare hands. Ex-boyfriends like him are why many women get Concealed Carry permits.

What she also didn’t know for some time was that, as he was packing, he told Jarid, “I have no problem making you an orphan. I’m not going to be living out of my car at 47. I have no problem shooting your mom and shooting your brothers.” He’d end his life in a shootout with the cops, he said. [He did, but only after murdering Jaiden, and shooting another white ex-girlfriend–also the mother of one of his children–who survived. ]

Danny had talked to her about shooting other people. “He had twins. He was pissed off with the mom for filing child support on him. And he talked about if he knew where she lived, he’d shoot her and shoot the babies,” Nicole’s best friend, Amy Sanders, tells me. “He had a list – an actual, physical list – of people he wanted to kill. Nicole always thought if she was nice to him, she wouldn’t be on his list. And unfortunately she was the first one.”

Jarid didn’t tell his mother what Danny had said until September. “I stopped dead in my tracks,” Nicole says. “I said, ‘Jarid, he’s going to kill me.’ And Jarid said, ‘He’s just blowing off steam.’ I was petrified.” But time passed, and she began to wonder if Jarid was right.

It’s obvious that it wasn’t America’s gun culture that killed Jaiden, it was America’s black culture.

garyyoungenotacriminalBritain used to have much less of a gun culture than America, and also much less of a criminal culture. It had almost no black culture at all. Recently Steve Sailer noted that there were almost no blacks in the British Isles in 1951. Since then, there has been massive immigration from Jamaica (and other black countries) leading to specifically Jamaican gun crime.

Pictured at right, a second-generation Jamaican born in Britain. (Not a criminal–it’s Gary Younge!)

I wish I could show you the memorable cover of the London Observer Magazine for June 25, 1989. That cover story (“Heirs to the Krays“) on Jamaican gun crime in the age of crack cocaine, featured a full page picture of a Jamaican gangster with a submachine gun in each hand. I know it’s memorable, because I saw it myself, 25 years ago, and haven’t forgotten it.

The “Krays” that the new black gangsters were “heir to” were a couple of white thugs in the 60s who ran protection rackets. They were sent to jail for a total of two (2) murders involving firearms. But mostly they just punched people.

You can see some of the text of John Sweeney’s article in Britain’s Crack Gangs,The New Paper (Singapore) July 27, 1989.

Here’s a sample:

THE crack-cracking woke the street up. One little girl, who lived in a house opposite, rushed to her bedroom window. She said later: “I thought someone was letting off fireworks, I heard such a noise.”

It was not fireworks last August in Hart Road, Harlesden, West London, but gunfire. Later police found nine bullet holes in the door of the empty house where a party had held.

The road was strewn with glass from shattered windscreens. Detectives picked up three different calibre rounds at the scene: a 9mm, a .45 and a .455. These are very heavy handguns. Clint Eatwood’s Dirty Harry, for comparison, uses a .457 Magnum.

Sweeney is wrong about the last bit–Eastwood used a .44–but he can be forgiven for his error, because the native white gun culture of England, such as it was, had almost been totally destroyed by that time. (England’s experience with gun control is described by Dave Kopel in All the Way Down the Slippery Slope: Gun Prohibition in England, and Some Lessons for America. 22 Hamline Law Review 399 (1999). With Joseph Olson. PDF.)

A more recent article on Jamaican gun violence in Britain is ‘Without a gun, you’re dead’ | Yardies have brought a horrific new level of violence to Britain (by Tony Thompson, The Guardian, September 21,2003).

A couple of sample paragraphs:

The new era of gun violence arrived in Britain in the early Eighties with the arrival of the first wave of Jamaican gunmen. Having been brought up in a society where violent death was commonplace, the new arrivals had a willingness to show and use guns, both against one another and the police, that was completely unprecedented. There are around three murders per day in Jamaica, the vast majority of them in Kingston, a city with a population of just 300,000.

Jamaica itself has savage and restrictive gun laws, worse than London’s. The common factor here is not guns, or gun laws, but blacks. “Yardie” is Jamaican slang for someone who live in a “government yard”, I. E. a housing project in Jamaica.

Jamaican officials had to warn tourists not to go see the “government yard in Trenchtown” that reggae singer Bob Marley sang about—because they’d be killed.

Post-apartheid South Africa has a white gun culture that made headlines when Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend in what he claimed was a mistake.

Its black culture of murder, on the other hand, is huge and gets little international attention–see Murder Rate in South Africa Reaches “All Time High”. The Solution? Disarm Whites! by James Kirkpatrick.

A BBC Graph well before the all time high.

Most of the victims and killers on that chart are black, although there are also, of course, many black attacks on whites. Furthermore, many of the black killings in South Africa involve no gun culture at all—people are simply hacked to death with machetes. (Known locally as pangas.)

I don’t know what most gun controllers are thinking when they push ideas like “white gun culture is the most significant component of American violence”, but Steve Sailer has a theory (emphases added):

In Democrat speech:“Guns” means white. “Crime” means black.

So you are supposed to constantly talk up the terrors of gun violence, but downplay crime.

In reality, “gun violence” isn’t some peculiarly white thing. Blacks are even more inclined toward homicides by gun than toward homicides in general. According to the Obama administration’s Bureau of Justice Statistics, the approximately 13% of the population that is black made up 52.5 percent of overall homicide offenders, but 56.9 percent of killers who used guns. So blacks on average are about 8.8 times more lethal with guns than is the rest of the population.

The main practical reason for why Democrats support gun control laws is in the hope of disarming black criminals. But white Democrats can’t come out and say that they want help from their fellow whites in keeping blacks under control. So they constantly lecture the rest of us that the true danger is those vicious rural straight white men with their hunting rifles.

The Left Goes Ballistic Takimag, July 27, 2016.

The effect of this racial schizophrenia is that the Left wants to take guns away from store owners, householders, cab drivers, and especially neighborhood watch captains like George Zimmerman–but decries stop-and-frisk efforts to disarm actual black felons.

That, plus the Ferguson/Black Lives Matter effect, has led to 1500 More People Murdered in 2015 Than in 2014– none of which is attributable to “white gun culture.”

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(Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Excellent piece. Liberals are congenitally unable to grasp the reality of crime with guns, and think white gun owners are somehow responsible while no reliable metric supports that claim. It’s a reflection of their fundamental cowardice. They KNOW it’s okay to p— off white people who will only grouse and fulminate and mutter. If they p— off black people, they’ll get their teeth shoved down their throats. Being omega weenies of the first order–else why would they be liberal surrender monkeys?–they cannot even THINK of such a thing as it ruins their sleep, bowel habits, digestive system and ability to concentrate. Plus it kills erection-city for MONTHS!

    • Replies: @woodNfish
    , @Joe Wong
  2. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Like some media must be rated 18+, arms should be rated IQ100+.

  3. Much of this is true except that the Kray brothers didn’t just punch people, a 6″ nail hammered into a knee or face was often all it took to gain the desired result. Luvvly geezers otherwise.

    • Replies: @another fred
  4. It’s like being a kid at someone else’s house – you and they are up to no good – maybe it’s even just you – and the parent yells at their own kid. But all parties know what they mean.

  5. FKA Max says:

    Guns and race: The different worlds of black and white Americans

    Gun deaths also vary dramatically by type. The vast majority (77 percent) of white gun deaths are suicides; less than one in five (19 percent) is a homicide. These figures are nearly opposite in the black population, where only 14 percent of gun deaths are suicides but 82 percent are homicides:

    The firearm homicide rate among black men aged 20-29 is about 89 per 100,000.To put that fact in some international perspective, in Honduras—the country with the highest recorded homicide rate—there were 90.4 intentional murders per 100,000 people in 2012. That includes all means, not just firearm homicides.

    So the perfect violence soup is low MAO-A, social isolation, high testosterone, being poor and having a low IQ.[…] The 2R version, which produces the least MAO-A, is found in 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men. [ A study in Saudi Arabia ( El-Tarras et al.) found 15.6% of a control group carried the very low-activity 2-repeat MAO-A allele: page 3; Table 1;]

    Basic Fixes If You’re a Low MAO-A Producer

    Ginkgo. When Ginkgo Biloba was administered to mice without MAOA, their aggressive behavior in confrontations was reduced to levels seen in normal mice (R)
    Riboflavin is needed for MAOA, so make sure you take a good B Complex (AMZN) or B Complex (IHERB).

    The study of MAOA has received a beautiful gift—the gift of cancer. One might recall the fad cureall and supplier of immortality known as antioxidants. Antioxidants are supposed to save cells by counteracting free radicals. However, too much of a good thing like cell survival is cancer. MAOA deserves to be called the “warrior gene” because it makes oxidases that slay cancer cells. Malorni et al first discovered this in 1998 when the MAOA-inhibiting drug, clorgyline, saved melanoma cells, in vitro. […] Maybe this cancer research could save MAOA from its “controversial” reputation. Harvard professors might hesitate to dismiss a violence gene that became a cancer gene. After all, lives are at stake.

  6. I live in a peaceful place that has had one homicide in the 12 years that I’ve been here: crime of passion axe murder. Armed home invasions: one, solved in a day. Mugging-type attacks: none. Nevertheless, forearmed is forearmed so to speak, and while large dogs are good for home defense, a 17 shot automatic and a twelve gauge are even better. Simple common sense. Living in a place with no blacks qualifies as the same, sorry to say. “Gun control” is nonsense, a means to disarm a non-criminal segment of the population so as to force them to rely for their safety on state security forces of questionable character and efficacy. No thanks.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  7. TheJester says:

    There is another reason besides hunting to support the “White gun culture”. Indeed, the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution does not mention hunting or sport but rather, “being necessary to the security of a FREE STATE, the right of the people to KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, shall not be infringed.”

    Carroll Quigley in his seminal work, “Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time,” notes in his survey of civilization that when people are armed with weapons that allow armed resistance to tyranny, government tends toward democracy. (I wonder if our founding fathers had this in mind when amending the Constitution.) The corollary to this is that when governments have the weapons and the people do not, the trend is toward oligarchy and authoritarian rule. A disarmed population is powerless in the face of state-sponsored corruption and tyranny.

    One might argue that the people would be powerless in a contest with the Department of Defense and its weapons based on scale and lethality. However, the long-standing attempt by leftist, fascist leaning politicians in the United States to vacate the 2nd Amendment and disarm the citizenry is evidence that the armed White citizenry have their attention.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
    , @Reg Cæsar
  8. Rehmat says:

    YEP – White Americans are not invading Africa – it’s Blacks who’re invading America!!

    Go to any US gun dealer disguised as Black or a Muslim and find out how difficult it’s to purchase a gun.

    If aboriginal Americans had access to guns they could have saved tens of millions of fellow Indians from White European butchers.

    After WWI, the World Zionist Congress applied the same White savagery against Palestinian people. Learn the truth from American Jewish woman Anna Baltzer, 37, who visited the Zionist entity, Syria, and Iran in 2003 ……

    • Replies: @biz
    , @Rurik
    , @Sherman
  9. @NoseytheDuke

    …a 6″ nail hammered into a knee or face…

  10. biz says:

    Actually darling it was the “Palestinian” (not yet calling themselves that at the time, of course) Arabs who had a violence culture and murdered Jews with impunity after WW1. I’m sure you know about the Hebron Massacre, for example.

    Anyway, your stupid non-sequitur bleating aside, this was a good piece.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Rehmat
  11. Kid Jones says: • Website

    Wow, here’s more pithy analysis from VDARE! I think Younge’s family is from Barbados not Jamaica (no’s only 1,200 miles, and both are burdened with “black culture”). England could benefit by moving towards the American model of militarized, unaccountable policing coupled with for-profit mass incarceration-it’s working great here!

  12. Rurik says:

    White European butchers.

    most of the time I figure Muslims got a raw deal vis-a-vis Zionism

    but then I read one of your posts, and I figure you deserve each other

    what it must be like to be poor Rehmat, sniveling around the crevices of Canada, marinating in his own bile, filled to the brim with vicious hatred for the pleasant and monumentally inoffensive (white) citizens of Canada.

    here’s Rehmat talking to himself about all those white Canadians who treat him to gracefully in their country

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  13. annamaria says:

    Am I the only one wondering why Mr. Gary Younge — a black Guardian writer who was born in the U.K. to Barbadian parents — was not interested in exploring the gun culture of his native U.K. or of Barbados?
    “Blacks make up about fifteen percent of the London population but in 2010, police data did not only indicate that two-thirds (67%) of shootings and over half (54%) of robberies and street crimes were committed by black men who, ironically, were also found to be as twice likely to be victims of such crime. Meanwhile, when feminine crime statistics was considered, black women were liable for almost half (45%) of knife crime, 58% in gun crimes and 52% in robberies (Camber, 2010).”

  14. Che Guava says:

    You are spouting rubbish on the same scale as or a greater scale than Rehmat.

    Zionist terror was a big deal.

    Uri Averny, the surviving grand old man of Zionist terror groups (though he lately only refers to his later career as a soldier, he has not lied about his terrorist career, AFAIK, never having been specific abt. pre-army activities) he has openly stated many times that he was a terrorist before, and criticized Naqba activities of the new army.

    His writing and political activity have been for peace for many years.

    Recent writing sometimes irritating because it is slippery at times, he is 90 or so, maybe a function of senility, maybe because he baulks at his own terrorist past.

    A bad man who ended up doing good as much as he could.

  15. Rehmat says:

    But darling – didn’t I warned you not to listen to that Zionist filth Daniel Pipes before?

    Have not Arab Muslims saved the no-good Jew Serfs from Catholics in Spain in 711 CE – their descendants wouldn’t have occupied Palestine.

    “The center is in fact a Jewish heritage museum, which has been hosting groups of students from Israel and world for educational activities about the Golden Era,” reported Yoav Glasner at Israeli newspaper YNet on October 6, 2011.

    As a Zionazi Jew, Yoav Glasner, avoided to tell his readers why he called it “Golden Era” when Jews were nothing but Serfs (slaves) in Spain until the early 8th century and who was the Jew after whom the city of Maimonides was named.

    It was the Arab-hating Jewish Orientalist Dr. Bernard Lewis who coined the pharase “Jewish Golden Age” under Muslim rule in Spain (701 to 1492 CE).

    Jacob Bender, an American Jewish film-maker tells the story of Rabbi Moses Ben Maimon. Watch video below.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  16. Rehmat says:

    Let the readers decide who got the “raw deal” Zionist creeps or Muslims.

  17. woodNfish says:
    @Otto the P

    Liberals are congenitally unable to grasp the reality of crime with guns

    Oh, the ones pushing these lies know perfectly well what the truth is, they just don’t care because their ultimate goal is to disarm us so we can’t offer armed resistance to them.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In the U.K. Spectator, American freelance hack Eric Weinberger

    The Spectator, baby.
    I mean, we know what we are talking about. Or don’t we.
    Well, apparently, we don’t

    These people operations would be brought down with statistics… if the people they scam weren’t hopelessly ignorant.

    But they are. Troubleless, the scam goes on.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
  19. woodNfish says:

    I wonder if our founding fathers had this in mind when amending the Constitution.

    Of course they didn’t. Our founders believed that democracy was anarchy, and they were correct. They created a republic based on democratic principles. They already knew from their own British government that only the force of arms will make a government change. That is how the Magna Carta came about in Britain, and most other reforms to their parasitic monarchy.

  20. woodNfish says:

    The Left’s leadership and intelligentsia are not stupid, they know that they accomplish the most when appealing only to their grubers’ emotions. Grubers are too stupid to think for themselves. That coupled with the help of republican traitors has allowed them to destroy our country. If HRC is elected that will be the final death knell.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
  21. Sherman says:

    Hey Homer

    It can be argued that white Canadians also committed savagery against the native Canadian populations.

    In any case you moved to Canada from your fly-infested slum in Lahore.

    I guess living among white savages is infinitely better than living among Paki/Muslim savages.


    • Replies: @Rehmat
  22. @woodNfish


    The people-controllers really want to take the gloves off but know that if they let their inner NKVD come out in the USA, their intended victims will grasp that they have nothing to lose and the intended victims will use their guns to assassinate the people-controllers and their agents, even if doing so is a suicide run. Solzhenitsyn explained this well.

    Giving tyrants pause does not require the ability to field an army and defeat the US Marines. All it takes is the diffused means of bringing a war of extermination back to those who might otherwise wish to initiate it.

    Ironically, in our times this has less to do with having a pistol or rifle than it does access to a crude machine shop and the 3rd-world-level chemistry knowledge needed to make a shaped-charge IED (much like is common in Afghanistan.)

  23. @woodNfish

    Keep your chin up.

    The borrowing of the last 8 years cannot be sustained and sooner or later the trend in markets, then finance, then the economy will change and change hard.

    When it does, if Hillbilly is POTUS she’ll be lucky to leave office without handcuffs. Economic busts are when people’s appetite for dirt skyrockets and we all know that the Clintons and their buddies are unequaled public criminals.

    OTOH, we may finally see just how far the lunatics can push us before we say, ENOUGH.

  24. Joe Wong says:
    @Otto the P

    “America’s “White Gun Culture” Isn’t Killing Blacks—Other Blacks Are” reminds me that the White white washes their genocide against the native Americans by claiming the White did not kill the natives and steal their land with organized violence and Kangaroo courts, Bourbon and Whiskey do.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    , @Reg Cæsar
    , @anon
  25. Rehmat says:

    For once you lifted your brain from between your legs – Sharon!

    When WASPs were committing Holocaust of aboriginal Americans – there was no Canada. Both the US and Canada was known as British North America.

    However, during WWII – Ottawa refused to accept the ‘Europe’s unwanted Jews’. Later it was Pierre Trudeau’s sexpot Barbra Streisand who brought Jews into spotlight. So much so, that current prime minister Justin Trudeau’s wife Sophie Gregoire was born in France to a Turkish family of Sephardic Jewish descent (Huffington Post, May 17, 2012).

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    , @anon
  26. @Joe Wong

    Oh, I get it.

    If whites didn’t have guns blacks could steal, blacks wouldn’t be killing each other with them.

    I never cease to be amazed at the contortions some people force their “logic” to endure.

    BTW, you bet that the people who were living in North America were pushed out by force by my ancestors. Why do you think people like me are hip to the game of inviting every 3rd world clown who want to come? We have no intention of being good little Indians while being dispossessed of the land we conquered. No whitewash here. No blindness, either.

    FTR, Joe, you’ll have a hard time peeling history enough to see who “rightfully” claims any land on the planet. Parcels change hands periodically, or didn’t you notice?

    • Replies: @Otto the P
  27. @Rehmat

    Rehmat, it seems WASPs fell down on the job if you are living anywhere in North America.

    Not to worry; I think we’ll get back to it sooner or later. Diversity + Proximity = War if you wait long enough.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  28. @dc.sunsets

    Oh, and who did the Indians steal the land from? That’s right, the OTHER indians. Conquest followed by genocide was the Indian contribution to the North American continent for 10,000 years prior to the arrival of the 7th Cavalry. We were just better conquerors than you stone-age pahoos. get over it.

    • Replies: @TheJester
  29. Ben_C says:

    A “U.K. Spectator, American freelance hack Eric Weinberger” reviews a “a book about America’s ‘gun culture’” writen by a British author…according to the almighty and world renowned And this is somehow relevant to the author…

    Thanks, that all I needed to know…

  30. @TheJester

    the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution does not mention hunting or sport

    It also didn’t apply to the states nor to blacks.

    States had their own constitutional guarantees. New York had one of the most stirring. Sadly, it died in the 1880s. The powers that be didn’t trust all those immigrants.

    And this was before Ellis Island.

  31. @Montefrío

    Me too.

    My little own little township in Pennsylvania has no township police, no county police and almost no crime.

    When we bought the place 18 years ago, the alarm went off because we couldn’t remember the code and the State Troopers responded 30 minutes later. No problem.

    Once in a great while some fool from NYC shows up and discovers their mistake : don’t commit crimes in areas where everybody is armed to the teeth.

  32. Gringo says:

    The City of Wilmington, Delaware turned to the C.D.C. to get an explanation for its surge in gun violence. When Gun Violence Felt Like a Disease, a City in Delaware Turned to the C.D.C.

    When epidemiologists from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention came to this city, they were not here to track an outbreak of meningitis or study the effectiveness of a particular vaccine.

    They were here to examine gun violence.

    This city of about 70,000 had a 45 percent jump in shootings from 2011 to 2013, and the violence has remained stubbornly high; 25 shooting deaths have been reported this year, slightly more than last year, according to the mayor’s office…..
    The final report, which has been submitted to the state, reached a conclusion that many here said they already knew: that there are certain patterns in the lives of many who commit gun violence.
    “The majority of individuals involved in urban firearm violence are young men with substantial violence involvement preceding the more serious offense of a firearm crime,” the report said. “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

    The conclusion appears not to be that guns kill people, but that violent people resort to guns to kill people.

    • Replies: @another fred
  33. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    You sound like just another Oriental foreigner trying to rationalize the dispossession of whites.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  34. anon • Disclaimer says:

    There WAS a Canada long before people like you arrived here from your despotic allah-land.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  35. joef says:

    Gun control is not just about your 2nd amendment rights, it is also about the 4th, in regards to your property rights. The leftist claim that it is justified to seize your personal property based on the crimes of others, even if you have nothing to do with it. So in another leftist version of collective guilt, you can have your personal property seized, by the govt, for the act of another.

    Car accidents kill more people than guns in this nation yet you hear politicians & the MSM talk ad nauseam about gun control. If they were really so sincere about human life, why don’t they demand governors for all vehicles the way they make demands for further gun control. The reason is because gun control is their politically motivated goal.

    So you the law abiding citizen must surrender your lawfully possessed firearms because other criminally motivated people are using them to commit violence upon other people.
    Never mind that guns will always be obtainable by a criminally motivated persons through blackmarket means.
    Never mind that acts of terror used knives, explosives, and vehicles to do mass harm as well.
    Never mind that other government bans did not work, such as prohibition and the drug war.
    Never mind that violence is not the result of poverty + guns, otherwise the Great Depression would have been an unprecedented blood bath.
    Never mind that mass killings are a relatively recent phenomenon that corresponds with our egoist culture that the leftist created.
    Never mind that a gun is a great equalizer for the elderly, and disabled, against bigger stronger predators, when confronted by criminal violence.

    One of the motivations for gun control is to criminalize the average citizen. You are seeing this with other innocuous things as well (‘hate crimes’ etc). Plus a leftist govt is a jealous god who wants a monopoly on power, and does not believe in your right of self protection (or self preservation). Just like when politically correct prosecutors, seeking favor with the MSM, convict legitimate & justified use of street justice in urban areas. Just as this eliminated a neighborhood’s ability to protect itself from criminal predators (which caused their demise), they want to do the same thing on the household level by eliminating gun ownership.

    And while you are being condemned for choosing to own a gun [Which is not only a right listed under the 2nd Amendment, but also one listed in the original 13 state constitutions, and spelled out in the Federalist Papers], radical afro american thugs are being praised for being pseudo freedom fighters against White America (while they parasitically live off the welfare dole, provided by mostly White Americans).

  36. TheJester says:
    @Otto the P

    I needed a history credit at the university in the 1960s. I took a course in the History of Kansas taught by a historian. The professor made clear that there were Indians on BOTH sides of most conflicts between Whites and Amerindians … and yes, the tribes were in constant warfare with each other for hunting grounds or to steal winter food supplies. Certain tribes sought out the Whites as allies.

    How things can be turned on their head! Many of us have seen the movie, “Dancing with Wolves.” In the movie, the Sioux are the good guys and the Pawnee are the bad guys. A short surf through the Internet and it turns out that the Sioux were pressing into Pawnee lands. The Pawnee allied with the Whites and, together, began pressing against their common enemies. This is the background for the Pawnee and their long tradition as scouts for the U.S. Cavalry.

    We spent many years living in Oklahoma — the Land of the Redman and the home of 38 Amerindian tribes. Historical photos show that many of them were still living a primitive hunter/gatherer existence as late as the early 20th Century. We’ve also visited the Amerindian reservations in the Dakotas, the Southwest, and the Cherokee Reservation in North Carolina. With the possible exception of the Dakotas, I doubt if any of the Amerindians in America would want to return to a marginal, food-gathering existence, especially in their New World Order of casinos and tax free gas stations and cigarette marts.

    As one Oklahoma Amerindian told me, “You White Men promised us free food, housing, medical care, and education ‘as long as the grass is green and the waters run.’ You had no idea how long that would be or what it would cost, did you?” … in a discussion about the housing, medical, and educational subsidies for Oklahoma’s Amerindians. Being an Oklahoma Amerindian is so lucrative and there is new social phenomenon in the state such that everyone with black hair, it seems, claims Cherokee blood somewhere in their ancestry.

  37. mcohen says:

    this jew baiting is annoying.perhaps a reply

  38. @Gringo

    “Our findings suggest that integrating data systems could help these individuals better receive the early, comprehensive help that they need to prevent violence involvement.”

    As they say out in the country, “Ain’t no cure but a bullet.”

    This country has fallen for the “therapeutic” nonsense hook, line, and sinker.

  39. Che Guava says:

    What you say does not make backing for your words, you, Rehmat are a good argument that Mohammed was the real Antichrist or an agent of Satan.

    • Replies: @another fred
  40. @Che Guava

    argument that Mohammed was the real Antichrist

    In the sense of “opposite” Mohamed was in fact an antichrist. Mohamed’s answer to the temptation of power was exactly opposite to Jesus’s. This difference is at the core of the difference between the religions as practiced. Philosophically, I mean, besides the fact that the Muslims reject the Western concept of Jesus as Son of God, about which there is (and has always been) wide disagreement as to the true meaning.

    When most Muslims say “submit” they mean submit to the Sharia, not to some ineffable diety.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  41. Che Guava says:

    That photo of Younge is priceless, I had only seen his sneering over the shoulder one in the Guardian (not that he’s alone in sneering over his shoulder, seems to be the mandatory portrait pose for Graun columnists).

    Can’t stand his writing.

    They seem to have made a special effort to prettify his sneer-over-the-shoulder shot (and to be fair, Younge’s standard pic. is a lot less sneer over the shoulder than most of them), but it really makes me wonder what their other columnists actually look like.

  42. I am extremely anti gun, but I also believe that everyone should buy a gun. there are reasons.

    • LOL: Che Guava
  43. Rehmat says:

    What your coment had to do with your sister – the Mossad hooker?

    Thanks G-d I’m not the only Canadian who hate Jews. according to B’nai B’rith there are FOUR MILLION WHITE Canadians who share my feeling.

    Shalom and keep enjoying charity from White American Christians.

  44. Rehmat says:

    Palestine EXISTED 5,000 years before the Europe’s UNWANTED Jewish filth arrived there after WWI.

    American journalist Abigail Suzanne (Abby) Martin, 32, latest investigative documentary (watch below) on How Palestine became Israel.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  45. Che Guava says:


    You make sense at many times, but still nonsense most of the time.

    This is one where you make sense, although you could also have mentioned the near-elimination of Christians from Palestine. Funny, the PLO was co-founded by a Christian, now departed, wonder what he would think of the state of things now.

    The Ba’athist movement was founded by a Christian.

    Try not to go with lies. Many commentors know enough to see when you purvey lies.

    God bless you.

  46. @anon

    What do you mean by “disposession” (of whites)?

    To say that many Native Americans were violently disposessed is clear enough in meaning but what contemporary version is plausible?

  47. Anonymous [AKA "Mark Belk"] says:

    Having been born and growing up on a cotton plantation in the Mississippi Delta and having a PhD in Nigger I can understand why someone who does not have my background might not understand the problem of black violence. Blacks can’t help being black and left to themselves the true nature of the beast will come out with very few exceptions. They, like children, must be disciplined much more severely than other races before they can be expected to function in polite society without the violence we see every day in the US.

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