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As everyone familiar with media operations is well aware, late Friday afternoon is the best time to release new information intended to attract minimal attention. A perfect example of this came a couple of days ago in the distribution of America’s newly declassified intelligence report on the origins of Covid.

Back in August, a sudden media frenzy on the possible lab origins of the virus that had killed so many hundreds of thousands of Americans pressured the Biden Administration into tasking our 17 separate intelligence agencies with determining the origins of the disease. But their comprehensive “We Don’t Know!” was hardly the answer long sought by the American public, nor the best justification for their many tens of billions of dollars in annual funding.

So for obvious reasons, the intent was to slip the results into the public arena with as little notice as possible, and this was largely achieved, with the short resulting articles in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal buried deep on the inside pages, with correspondingly little attention from the rest of the global media as well.

But for those who bothered to read past the headlines, the government report was a mixture of sensible conclusions and understandable silence. The total number of America’s proliferating intelligence agencies is now approaching a score, and although they disagreed on numerous issues, there were some points of unanimity. Among other things, they claimed that the structure of the virus provided no evidence that it had been bioengineered, while greatly softening that seemingly important conclusion by noting that modern bioengineering techniques are extremely difficult to detect.

Over the last year, various pro-China partisans sometimes supported by China’s own media organs have highlighted scientific studies around the world that seemingly found traces of Covid infections in other countries long before the original outbreak in Wuhan, suggesting that the outbreak originally began elsewhere. But because of various technical flaws and methodological uncertainties, the report found this evidence quite doubtful, a conclusion very similar to my own.

The report repeats the standard view that original outbreak began no later than November 2019, and a much more significant conclusion became the headline in the WSJ‘s print edition: “Report Says China Lab Was Likely Unaware of Virus Pre-Outbreak.”

For more than a year, individuals aligned with former Trump CIA Director and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo have repeatedly claimed that secret intelligence information existed demonstrating that the Wuhan outbreak may have reached large-scale proportions or at least come to the attention of Chinese officials long before the generally accepted late December date. However, no such material is mentioned anywhere in this report, indicating that it doesn’t exist. Instead, our 17 intelligence agencies seem to strongly support the current timeline, agreeing that the Wuhan lab and the Chinese government probably first became aware of the new disease when the number of infections grew substantial, near the very end of the 2019 calendar year.

 

Given the natural political constraints upon these professional American intelligence analysts, I think their product was the best that could be expected under the circumstances. For obvious reasons, they completely excluded any discussion of some of the striking anomalies that have been a major focus of my own analysis over the last 18 months, an analysis that very strongly suggests that the Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), probably carried out by rogue elements of our national security establishment.

The following few excerpted paragraphs summarize some of the most telling facts underlying that remarkable conclusion:

For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry…

From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

These few hundred words merely provide a taste of the underlying evidence contained within my long series of articles published since April 2020.

With only scattered exceptions here and there, this analysis has remained almost entirely unmentionable anywhere on the Internet, but hardly unread, given that these pieces have now received nearly 400,000 total pageviews on this website alone, along with many more on those other websites that have chosen to republish them.

Moreover, the longest and most substantive pieces in the series, now updated to total nearly 50,000 words, have also been conveniently collected into an ebook, available in both EPub and Mobi/Kindle formats, which has now been downloaded some 5,000 times.

These articles, along with the many other pieces in my broader American Pravda series are also subsumed in that eBook collection, which has been downloaded an additional 3,000 times.

Such substantial numbers of pageviews and downloads are especially heartening given that our entire website was banned by Facebook and deranked by Google just days after my first long Covid article ran in April 2020.

I think this material constitutes a very useful supplement to the official report of our own national intelligence agencies, based entirely upon publicly available information and developed at a cost far below the tens of billions of dollars in their annual operating budgets.

 
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  1. ruralguy says:

    I worked in that world, for many years. There is nothing nefarious going on, but when they collect data, they cannot reveal how they obtained it, without compromising a costly intelligence infrastructure that took decades to develop. The public always has an extremely superficial view of what is going on in the world, out of necessity. None of us in the public can make inferences from what little we know.

    Our Defense capabilities are quite astonishing, but too often they don’t see the forest, only individual trees. The government has been unable to properly assess and respond to many national security threats, besides this Wuhan pandemic, because they lack the 1950s-1960s RAND-style analyses and responses to those internal and external threats. In the early 1950s, RAND revolutionized our Defense capabilities by using some of the best scientific minds n the U.S. to lead and revolutionize our defense companies and greatly improve how we analyze and respond to world-wide threats. That capability has disintegrated. Now, they seem to wander aimlessly through the trees, unable to see the forest.

  2. Yee says:

    Have the criminal to investigate his own crime…

    • Agree: Iris, annamaria
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  3. I’d like to understand what would compel anyone to believe a report out of something called the National Intelligence Council, on the subject of Covid origins, would have any traces of honesty. What would possibly motivate an intelligence agency to share unpleasant facts with the public? Sincere question.

    • Agree: Dystopian
    • Thanks: Hal Womack
    • Replies: @mexianon
    , @Tdstype2
  4. So B’rer Fox and his fellow swamp-dwellers have no idea of how that coop was raided and all them chickens died. Must have been from “natural causes”. Quelle surprise!

    It’s getting to the point where comparison of statements from the empire’s minions to Pravda is in an insult to Pravda.

    • LOL: Hal Womack
  5. Dumbo says:

    I think this material constitutes a very useful supplement to the official report of our own national intelligence agencies, based entirely upon publicly available information and developed at a cost far below the tens of billions of dollars in their annual operating budgets.

    LOL. Either Mr. Unz is very naive, and doesn’t understand how “intelligence agencies” operate, which I doubt, or he has another agenda here.

    Look, if the pandemics/virus reease was planned, be sure that all “17 intelligence agencies” were in on it and are still following through on the plan, and that includes vaccines and all that.

    Also, harping on the “origins of Covid” angle while totally ignoring the “vaccine passports” and the whole social transformation of the world in the “fight against the pandemic” is ignoring the elephant in the room.

    The median age of Covid victims is 82 years of age, and 90% of those had co-morbidities, many with several pathologies!! Some bioweapon…

  6. With only scattered exceptions here and there, this analysis has remained almost entirely unmentionable anywhere on the Internet

    Using Russian search engine Yandex, Ron’s articles are at or near the top of the list using a variety of key search words.

    Makes one wonder if American search engines are carefully controlled by U.S. intelligence agencies?

    • Agree: InnerCynic
    • Thanks: Iris
    • LOL: Fr. John
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @some_loon
  7. @ruralguy

    Utter rubbish. Rand was a conglomeration of paranoid freaks such as Von Neumann, concocting absurd and maniacal policies that derived from the particular degenerate personalities of the Rand nut-jobs. The US emerged from the Second World War as the hegemon with no external, nor internal threats to the bank-dominated geopolitical system. The WW2-generated military industrial-banking complex has maintained complete mastery of the society, and the phoney Covid response is simply the reaction of this system preserving itself in the face of the only threat to the system, that of the internal contradictions of capitalism. There is no more surplus value to be had in an era in which labour power is kicked out of the system and cannot be reabsorbed. Nobody to buy the crap as automation wipes out the consumer base. Low wages, state management of the financial casino, authoritarian controls to keep the general population at bay as the new structures are implemented.

    • Agree: anyone with a brain
    • Replies: @James Charles
  8. @Dumbo

    [This is not a Flu Hoaxer or anti-Vaxxer thread, and such comments are much less likely to be published.]

    • Disagree: Fr. John
  9. anon[399] • Disclaimer says:

    At this point it doesn’t matter if Wisner’s wurlitzer keeps US masses in the dark. The attacked nations know what CIA did. The war is on. CIA is going to lose it.

    The good thing is, a totalitarian state propped up by impunity is easy to decapitate. You just wipe out the CIA command structure. Then plug in a new state to world standards.

    The US public doesn’t have a role in this until the war is over and it’s time to start hanging SIS pukes from lampposts.

  10. A fascinatingly subjective approach. The Iranian political elite was particularly hard-hit by Covid? What is the evidence to support this “fact”? 10% of the Iranian parliament was soon infected? Again, what is the evidence that this claim is likewise a “fact”?

    Funny that SARS CoV-2 can behave so very differently in one political jurisdiction than in another. Certainly, in the exact same time frame, the virus showed vastly different effects in various Canadian provinces, depending on how much testing was done and how badly the very sick elderly were treated in long-term care homes.

    Such a tricky bug!

    Very important that we get to the bottom of the source of this shape-shifting critter that has insidiously left the vast majority of most populations alone. Never mind the creation of a terror campaign subsequent to the collapse of the Repo markets in the months after Blackrock and the BIS said the system was having a relapse of its 2008 disease. Also never mind the unprecedented implementation of various medieval forms of non-scientific disease control implemented to, by sheer coincidence, shut down the demand for credit in the real economy as the bug, that can only be successfully detected by PCR amplification in the asymptomatic, ran rampant.

    So hard to tell what the real whodunnit crime was, n’est pas? Keep up the good work, Ronnie!

    • Disagree: David from Alaska
    • Replies: @haha
  11. @ruralguy

    You write: ” None of us in the public can make inferences from what little we know.” On the contrary, we can sometimes make more accurate inferences than professional intelligence analysts can, if we take the time to comb through publicly available information and assess it fearlessly. Ron Unz’s series on COVID origins is a masterpiece of open source intelligence.

    • Agree: Iris, JackOH, Kratoklastes
    • Disagree: thotmonger
    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @JackOH
    , @rufus clyde
  12. Ron Unz says:
    @Herd Stupidity

    Using Russian search engine Yandex, Ron’s articles are at or near the top of the list using a variety of key search words.

    Makes one wonder if American search engines are carefully controlled by U.S. intelligence agencies?

    That’s exactly correct. Our entire website was banned by Facebook and all its pages deranked by Google just days after I published my first long Covid article in April 2020:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/being-totally-disappeared-by-google/

    Since all our pages were deranked, this difference is most apparent in some of my other articles, for example:

    For the last ten years, my article The Myth of Hispanic Crime had regularly ranked #2 among the 180 million search results Google returned for “Latino Crime” and the 60 million for “Hispanic Crime,” an achievement for which I had become inordinately proud.  But although comparable search engines such as Bing and DuckDuckGo still rank my piece near the very top, Google has completely “disappeared” it.

    I think a reasonable measure of a topic’s importance is the total number of search results it returns.  Communism and Communists dominated the entire twentieth century and the political party of that name still holds sway in gigantic China. So a search on “Communism” returns 163 million results, a vast number but still somewhat below the total for “Latino Crime.”  Imagine how an academic or journalist might feel if his article analyzing Communism had spent a full decade ranked #2 across the entire Internet, but Google had then suddenly decided to blacklist it for reasons entirely unrelated to its intrinsic or objective quality.

     

    https://www.unz.com/runz/google-vs-sydney-schanberg/

    • Replies: @RichardDuck
    , @GomezAdddams
  13. Derer says:

    Naturally occurring viruses vanish naturally into a dormant stage…be it Ebola or Influenza, that killed 50 m people and infected 1/3 of the world population, disappeared without vaccine or a face burka within two years. Covid19 is NOT naturally occurring virus but a man-made and the creators are protected by the US 17 intelligence agencies (we need new Assange), despite it causing unexpected high US death.

    Al Gore got filthy rich from global warming fanaticism and this same blind ambition applies to Covid19 profiteers as well. Follow the money (winners and losers) and you will find perpetrators.

  14. Anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @ruralguy

    I worked in that world, for many years.

    Good job there on 9/11 mister secret squirrel, the yellowcake thingy, et al – you’re all every bit the heroes you imagine yourselves.

    Now go jerk-off to a binge watch of 24 . . . you’ve earned it.

    • Agree: schnellandine
    • Thanks: Just another serf
  15. Biff says:
    @Dumbo

    The median age of Covid victims is 82 years of age, and 90% of those had co-morbidities, many with several pathologies!! Some bioweapon…

    The reaction to the pathogen is the disease, and the disease killed millions and destroyed economies all over the globe – I would call that a serious bio weapon.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  16. HbutnotG says:

    I see they quickly banished the “bats in some remote part of China” (that nobody ever heard of) origin. I guess that one was getting old.

  17. It’s 18 intel agencies now that the Capitol Police got lots more money and their own worldwide intel agency. Why? Cause some non-violent protestors were invited to enter the Capitol grounds by undercover federal agents and uniformed police, where they did nothing more than minor damage.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  18. Jim H says:

    ‘this material constitutes a very useful supplement to the official report of our own national intelligence agencies, based entirely upon publicly available information’ — Ron Unz

    Those would be the same agencies, not one of which foresaw the catastrophically rapid collapse of the former US-backed Afghan government.

    Yet anyone reading public reports from Afghan correspondents this past summer could sense the accelerating momentum of the Taliban takeover — just as anyone following the daily reports out of eastern Europe in October and November 1989 could see the popular revolt against hidebound communist regimes turning into an irresistible tidal wave.

    Before Harry Truman made the CIA a permanent fixture, the US got along just fine in peacetime without intelligence agencies. Zero out the funding of these useless bureaucracies, and fire each and every one of their parasitical, treasonous employees.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Thanks: thotmonger
  19. Finally. A little actual un-or-under-reported news on this site.

    Instead of just more “There those blacks go again” opining.

  20. @ruralguy

    US ‘intelligence’ lies, as do US politicians, US MSM, US academia etc. It is the Land of the Lie. As such its Austfailian colony is doing its best, over-achieving really, in following the ‘Homeland’.

    • Agree: annamaria
  21. @Biff

    Of all the children badly affected by CoViD19 in the USA, 90% had one specific co-morbidity-obesity. The local MSM here dragged out an unlucky 16 year old Polynesian girl who had been in ICU with the lurgi. She was as wide, poor girl, as she was tall, like Mum. But 16 year olds MUST be inoculated, and soon the ‘choice’ will be between one mRNA gene therapy and another, adenovirus vector AstraZeneca being removed, despite local production and easier distribution and use because of less stringent refrigeration requirements. Don’t tell me this isn’t a giant conspiracy to some wicked end.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @Jiminy
  22. JackOH says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    On the contrary, we can sometimes make more accurate inferences than professional intelligence analysts can, if we take the time to comb through publicly available information and assess it fearlessly.

    Kevin, that’s true. One needs to be committed to truth, exercise due diligence and tempered judgment, and, maybe, have specialized knowledge or sources of one’s own. But, yeah, one can sometimes draw conclusions at least as, if not more, robust and accurate than professional, paid soothsayers.

    A small example: that Holmes woman and her Theranos hustle. People working in hospital and reference labs were very skeptical of her right off the bat. I recall we had some debate here on the detailed reasons why skepticism was highly warranted.

  23. @ruralguy

    because they lack the 1950s-1960s RAND-style analyses and responses to those internal and external threats. In the early 1950s, RAND revolutionized our Defense capabilities by using some of the best scientific minds n the U.S. to lead and revolutionize

    Holy crap. The Boomer attempts to justify its insanity. But we only told you that men were women and negroes were human in order to defend you!

    The night of the pillow is a couple decades overdue..

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  24. An Australian journalist, Sharri Markson, has just published a book, “What Really Happened In Wuhan: A Virus Like No Other, Countless Infections, Millions of Deaths”, Harper Collins, published 29 September 2021. The book has attracted quite a lot of attention, I have not read it, but there have been extracts published in several Australian newspapers, and it has been praised for the quality and extent of the author’s research. I don’t know whether it is available yet in the USA.

  25. The “espionage community’s” assessment is not particularly notable, for the simple reason that, while many people tend to think of espionage as “spy vs. spy” (stealing the other side’s secrets/ protecting your own) and dirty tricks/ covert action/ color revolutions/ etc., a large proportion of their job is actually narrative promotion/ disinformation/ psychological warfare*. Believing a spook is like believing an actor — why would you trust someone who lies for a living?

    What’s more interesting is that Unz is still so heavily invested in the “CCP bioweapon! vs. ZOG bioweapon!” false dialectic. If either side was determined to produce a coronavirus bioweapon to genocide the other… why were they cooperating on coronavirus gain of function research at the Wuhan lab?

    *Hence the perennial popularity of torture with the espionage community. It’s of questionable utility in getting to the truth, but definitely effective in getting [most] people to go along with the desired narrative. See the Moscow trials, the Nuremberg trials, etc. And yeah, “color revolutions” are obviously a combination of narrative management and covert ops.

  26. SafeNow says:

    The median age of Covid victims is 82 years of age, and 90% of those had co-morbidities, many with several pathologies!!

    Covid has involuted the life of everyone on the planet.

  27. AReply says:

    Heads up Unz weenies:

    A collection of citations from which a desired conclusion is drawn does not make those citations evidence of the conclusion. Yet Unz makes this appeal relentlessly across his tracts.

    Unz is operating with a adolescent child’s level of critical thinking: he has a monster under his bed that only comes out when the lights are out, and he then begs the reader to consider that the turning out of the lights is evidence of the monster.

    Then he goes from idiotic to perverse by making the turn to report as an inevitable feature of all his diatribes the ever-growing number of words he has written about his monster, which he attempts to amplify with counts of pageviews of those words corroborating his monstrous dream. Consider that by logic of Unz’ rhetoric, Harry Potter and Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry are the most extant features of the known universe.

    But as tediously childish as is Unz’ reckoning, it becomes batshit crazy in its overt contradictions, per the following paragraph:

    //With only scattered exceptions here and there, this analysis has remained almost entirely unmentionable anywhere on the Internet, but hardly unread, given that these pieces have now received nearly 400,000 total pageviews on this website alone, along with many more on those other websites that have chosen to republish them.//

    WHICH IS IT? Amazingly, you are important because you are so unread and you are so read.

    [MORE]

    Everything Ron writes has this internally contradictory, hyperbolic quality.

    The operative word of Ron’s claim is the word ‘chosen’, as in others are free to choose whether they will represent cockamamie bullshit. Most won’t. Special note to Ron: This fact does not add credence to the cockamamie bullshit!

    As to Russian willingness to represent USA’s cockamamie bullshit, look at Russia Today! They are obsessed with it; the bullshittier, the better.

    I can truly enjoy bullshit, so no problemo, and it’s a free country. Good bullshit even helps the socratic process. But it does matter to me as to whether people take bullshit seriously. The marvel here is that Ron Unz takes his own bullshit so seriously.

    But it’s not just Ron. With the lone exception of Michael Hudson, everyone on this site goes in circles, in the same sense that if you blindfold people, or place inexperienced hikers in a featureless landscape, they walk in circles. What’s delivered here is not news nor analysis, but loopy fantasies that its profiting someone to help others believe.

    They only way I can figure out to understand it is that most of the writing is synthetically generated and measured for uptake on other parts of the web as a proving ground for automatic PR tech. But I am first to admit I’m just making this up.

    If Unz is a bot, he’s impressively lifelike. If not a bot, props to Unz and Co. for wandering around in the wilderness of the mind and asking his audience to take it seriously. But he can also accept that it’s fair that none of this bullshit will ever be widely considered as relevant analysis to the topics at hand. I guess Unz could harbour a low-grade Nostradamus fetish, with hope that flinging enough bullshit, some will stick and maybe he’ll make a big name for himself. A history of such opportunism is what made the interwebz into shitpile we consume today.

    • Disagree: TKK
    • LOL: Badger Down
    • Troll: CelestiaQuesta
  28. @Dumbo

    The bioweapon did exactly what it was intended to do. Close up shop.

  29. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Plandemic 2

    Wasn’t the origin of Covid publicly revealed almost two years ago by Michel Chossudovsky and Mikki Willis?

    https://PlandemicSeries.Com

    (Henry Kissinger)

  30. How is COVID-19 seen from Russia
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1029388

    Chronology of events:

    [MORE]

    1) They show how the Chinese are falling dead right on the street – WHO announces the beginning of a pandemic.
    2) Everyone takes a salute and hell and Israel begin.
    A) Mass lockdowns begin
    B) Air traffic is paralyzed
    C) The media start a campaign to intimidate the population of the planet
    E) Self-isolation of the population
    3) Big business and Big Pharma understand how much money you can earn in such a situation – the right guys should raise the loot.
    4) Extortion and infringement of rights begin, fines for the absence of a rag on the face – the plebs must suffer.
    5) Business on masks-rags, on washing stops and entrances of houses with incomprehensible liquids, like mushrooms after rain, testing laboratories, glove business and other related ones open in a huge number.
    6) Many impressionable people are losing their minds about a “terrible illness”, paranoid obsessive thoughts do not give them rest, “an old woman with a scythe” dreams everywhere, it becomes scary to sneeze and cough in public transport.
    7) The healthcare system is paralyzed, hospitals are overflowing with people intimidated through the media, they are treated only for COVID19, people with other diseases are offered to get in line after covidniks. Flu, acute respiratory viral infections and acute respiratory infections disappear – only COVID-19 remains.
    8) The presentation of information on central TV channels is one-sided intimidating, demoralizing for impressionable people.

    9) According to masks / rags, Rospotrebnadzor changes indications every two months, then it is necessary only for patients, then it is necessary for everything and always, then it is necessary but not always and not everywhere, while it is always silent what and how people wear (who changed the thong under the mask, who made a mesh with rhinestones, who just took a translucent cloth in the store and wears it in her purse for half a year, just in case).

    10) About gloves, too, then it is necessary, then it is not necessary, and when they were canceled, did anyone apologize to the people for the fact that people were suffering with these gloves? Some older people still wear it, because it’s “safer” – that’s what they said on TV.

    11) Vaccine: there will be a vaccine and it will immediately become easier – we discussed everything in August-September 2020 – that’s when we will live as before! – a year of acupuncture passes, and we have a lockdown vaccine, but the situation has worsened twice.

  31. Our 17 separate intelligence agencies costing us billions are a real bargain. The thousands of illegals walking across the open border claim they feel safer already!

  32. mexianon says:
    @Just another serf

    can we come up with some language that accurately describes the deep state other than ‘intelligence’, please? Calling the bumbling menace that is USA/ZOG leadership ‘intelligent’ is the most orwellian flip of language imaginable.

    • Replies: @sally
  33. skrik says:

    G’day Mr Unz, I found an article the spooks may have missed:

    “Origin of COVID-19: Dismissing the Mojiang mine theory and the laboratory accident narrative”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8490156/

    Ends:

    As a conclusion, there is no evidence to support the Mojiang mine origin of SARS-CoV-2 and any of the laboratory leak theories. These are narratives expressing differing and also contradictory opinions. If the virus is engineered, it cannot be the accidental leak of a natural virus and vice-versa. These narratives are not evidence-based scientific conclusions. They are also built on the weaknesses of the “Spillover” theory and the absence of reservoirs and intermediaries in the wild. In a time of geopolitical conflicts characterized by hidden agendas, false information and manipulations, it is essential to rely only on scientific and evidence-based conclusions and to avoid opinion-based narratives

    The article also has a few non too specific words about RaTG13 possibly being a metagenomic chimera. rgds

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
  34. I accept Unz’s theory for Iran’s outbreak. I would be surprised if the CIA was NOT involved, particularly when you contrast with the US Congress where only one of our fine 535 elected officials, who also had cancer, died from Covid. Lots of old people (the only really Vulnerable group, >95% of deaths globally are in those over age 60) still working in Government, but amazingly few Covid deaths.

    I do NOT accept Unz’s theory that there was nothing going on in Wuhan or the one Australian scientist working there would have known about it. In six years at NIH and many years in academia and in industry, I knew most of the people in nearby labs, interacted socially with them, but in many cases they WERE NOT ALLOWED to discuss their research. Yet Unz thinks the Chinese are more open? I agree they are generally nice people (as are Russians I’ve met), but some research results can be shared, some cannot. Gain-of-function research would not be disclosed, because the funding was not allowed (wouldn’t want to endanger lab \$\$\$\$).

    I will go with David Baltimore’s view that the furin cleavage site, with two human arginine codons, was almost surely the result of a lab. Most likely some grad student or low level scientist was working on a common cold coronavirus (originally from bats, from the same clade of beta coronaviruses along with SARS not known to have furin cleavage sites, thus incapable of picking it up by recombination with other betacoronaviruses in that clade) and added the furin cleavage site so the virus could be grown more easily in human cell cultures. This is speculation of course, but fits the data as well or better than Unz’s theory. Technicians are generally young and if they were infected with this common cold virus (which became SARS-CoV2), they are unlikely to have more than common cold or mild flu symptoms; it is only when Covid-19 started racing through the older population that it became a problem (or opportunity). I am open to the possibility that this happened in the US, and the CIA opportunistically pinned it on the Chinese. Could happen. But the measures the Chinese took to cover-up all early work on the virus, including taking down their early sequence website data (which I’m sure are available somewhere, but no longer open to research on the origins) strongly suggests they have something to hide.

    The present focus on “VACCINATE!”, “VACCINATE!!”, “VACCINATE!!!” rather than on the IMMUNITY from Covid infection, which is clearly superior as much less “leaky” than the spike protein (S1)-vaccines being rammed into us, also suggests that some other non-scientific, non-medical agenda is still being pushed domestically. Many countries (Sweden of course early on) are now pushing Covid infection immunity rather than S1-vaccines and boosters (which are still high benefit: risk for the most vulnerable ONLY); this includes highly vaccinated Iceland and Singapore who HOPE that natural immunity will be established on top of the inferior spike protein-based immunity. Not known yet. We will all get the delta variant (or worse) eventually and either are dependent on Covid infection for natural immunity (which most Americans have based on CDC estimates: cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html ), or we need much better vaccines, preferably WHOLE virus (attenuated or dead) vaccines with all 25 SARS-CoV2 proteins rather than just the ONE spike protein.

  35. dearieme says:

    The UK government set up a commission to investigate the genesis of the Bush/Blair Iraq war. Its report made it clear that when the intelligence services told Blair things he didn’t like he simply got them to change their tune. It even became clear who the chief villain in the intelligence services was. Naturally his perfidy got him a good promotion.

    So: why would I believe this report? Won’t it simply have told ol’ Brandon what his acolytes told them to say?

    • Replies: @JackOH
  36. geokat62 says:

    What America’s 17 Intelligence Agencies Won’t Say About the Origins of Covid

    That – like most major psyops over the last 7 decades* – it was most likely orchestrated by the grandmasters of psyops, Mossad.

    *I’m of course referring to:

    Kennedy assassinations (incl LHO)
    USS Liberty massacre
    9/11 and Anthrax Attacks
    Invasion of Iraq (and other enemies of the villa)
    Hariri assassination
    Russian election interference hoax
    Seth Rich murder
    Epstein blackmail operation (using underage girls)
    etc, etc, etc

    (((America))) has been completely captured. It is totally under control of a foreign power. Hence, the phrase ZOG.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  37. JackOH says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, maybe one minor example of the quality of thought in bureaucratized, careerist-driven intelligence is the senior CIA official who was interviewed on TV about the time of the Berlin Wall’s fall.

    I think the Bundestag had broken out in singing the post-WWII-edited Deutschlandlied. The CIA guy was sputtering badly about that, sort of suggesting something menacing in it.

    I thought: WTF, did this clown spend his career at the European desk watching continuous loops of Capra’s Why We Fight?

  38. onebornfree says: • Website

    R. Unz said: “the Covid outbreak was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), probably carried out by rogue elements of our national security establishment.”

    Ok, assuming you are correct, what do you suggest is done to prevent it, or worse, happening in the future?

    Let me guess: more/bigger government, more “intelligence” agencies, more laws, more government spending/revenues ( and consequently less freedom for everyone outside the government), right?

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  39. The NYT and the Wall Street Journal keeping their bung holes shut for a fear of Mossad raming a rod up there… it’s just as well.

  40. onebornfree says: • Website
    @AReply

    AReply said: “But it’s not just Ron. With the lone exception of Michael Hudson, everyone on this site goes in circles,”

    You’re kidding , right? Hudson is just another Marxist fantasist, like many other regular article contributors here. He’s forever walking in his little Marxist circles of irrelevance, explaining nothing, he never fails.

    And, as a “court intellectual”, that’s his job; to promote/defend the state’s constant interference in the economy, and by obfuscation make that interference appear justified to the ignorant masses that know no better.

    “States have always needed intellectuals to con the public into believing that its rule is wise, good, and inevitable” Murray Rothbard

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @nietzsche1510
  41. JackOH says:
    @dearieme

    dearieme, I sometimes wonder how anyone can work in a staff or line position without having a private income to fall back on, or failing that, a very strong network of social relations to act as backstop. One can lose one’s job for poor performance, for excellent performance that threatens someone’s organizational esteem, for wearing the wrong shirt beneath a jacket, for being a square peg, etc.

  42. You’ve reached a new stage in your descent. Congratulations. You’re now presenting arguments that are absolutely nothing more than their own refutation.

    17 separate intelligence agencies did a good job with tens of thousands of experts and none of them had any suspicion that “rogue neocons” actually released the virus.

    Seems like “rogue neocons” is your fantasy and that tens of thousands of people with actual knowledge think it is as likely as space aliens as perpetrators.

    Weird how you think it presents evidence in the opposite direction, but not that weird given what I have observed of your arguments and tics recently.

  43. What Ron Unz Won’t Admit About the Origins of COVID-19

    While he doesn’t harp upon it in this article, Unz unnecessarily tries to explain the outbreak with his rogue op bio-warfare theory. Its primary weakness is that it’s a needlessly complex explanation. What it relies on for key support (media reports of “leaked intelligence”) are precisely the same “leaked” reports that we lab-release hypothesis faction rely upon. In other words, Unz claims that his press reports of secret government intelligence is more reliable than the “Five Eyes” (claimed) intelligence reports. I find this argument rather weak. Unz tying in the Iran outbreak as an intelligence op similarly needless complicates matters. I (and others probably) have covered these arguments in depth in earlier discussions here at Unz.com.

    In my opinion, what remains the simplest hypothesis that explains all events is the release of a virus from one of at several labs at Wuhan. The prime suspect is the WIV. Their long history of collecting bat viruses, experimenting upon them, doing gain-of-function research indirectly funded by the NIH and our own dear Dr. Fauci et all, are well documented, unclassified, and beyond all dispute. It need not even have been an engineered virus. All that was required to start this mess was an accident in the lab infecting a sole employee. These things have happened in the past, but never with such spectacularly bad knock-on effects.

    Far more relevant to the well-being of our country and the world, for all that remain these points:

    1. Dangerous research with pathogens, whether academic or military, continues world-wide.

    2. The “vaccine” as a solution to the pandemic has proven itself to be, likely, worse than if they’d done nothing. The mRNA products far from being “safe and effective” have proven themselves to be unsafe and all but useless in what is expected of traditional vaccines. The jabs have likely caused thousands of deaths and many more permanent injuries; the final toll will not be known for years.

    3. Governments have clearly been compromised by corporate powers (Big Pharma especially). They have shown incompetence at all levels. Their continuing responses to the pandemic in the name of “public health” have already cost trillions of dollars and the loss, perhaps permanent, of millions of jobs and damage to civil liberties. The process has not yet run its course. This last item is probably by far, the worst damage by far. Whether there are delberate evil plans, I’ll leave an open question.

    • Agree: David from Alaska
    • Replies: @skrik
    , @JackOH
  44. Andreas says:

    The government report uses confusing language.

    Most Analysts Assess SARS-CoV-2 Not Genetically Engineered

    Okay. This is a clear assertion that most agencies agreed that the virus was not genetically engineered.

    But immediately following this caption they seemingly contradict themselves by expressing a low confidence that the virus was not genetically engineered!

    Most IC analysts assess with low confidence that SARS-CoV-2 was not genetically engineered.

    I would think that to be consistent with the original statement would be to have a high confidence that the virus was not genetically engineered.

    So which is it?

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  45. pepa65 says:
    @anon

    Yes, the global intelligence communities will remember!

  46. Dystopian says:
    @Dumbo

    Have you ever read anything from Mr. Unz that was critical of the CCP? His agenda seems to be putting the United states in a bad light and shielding the Chinese from criticism. The deep state deserves the bad press but to say the the Chinese did not know about a virus that was being worked on for gain of function in a state run lab strains incredulity. However, the same lab was receiving funds from the NIH and their counterparts in other countries in the western world which implies that this is larger than just the U.S, or the CCP.

    • Replies: @Realist
  47. @ruralguy

    You can’t have equal opportunity, diversity, or whatever they call it these days, and still have competence. This partially explains America’s declining expertise. Intel totally failed to foersee the collapse of the Soviet Union three decades ago. One can only imagine what other trends, major or minor, they’ve missed. Yes, it’s unrealistic to expect perfect knowledge of the future, but….

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Lysias
    , @TKK
  48. @Dumbo

    Your point is entirely valid. But what, then, explains the continuing expansions of government power in the name of fighting such a pandemic? I still hold with the “lab accident” theory, but as events unfold, I’m starting to think the “great reset” or other conspiracy theories may not be quite as crackpot as they sounded at first. Many actual or proposed government responses to the pandemic make no logical sense, but they begin to if viewed as part of some framework of dictatorial power-grabbing.

  49. Charles says:

    For an average person, somehow discovering the source of Covid would, I suppose, be exciting. To me the important thing is what use has been made of the virus. It is being used to wipe out some of those privileges which Americans are given as rewards for propping up the system. You’ll be free to consume sports and media entertainment – they exist to prevent thought – but you’ll be unable to even mention that Americans who dissent, in any noticeable way, are deemed enemies of the State and treated accordingly.

  50. haha says:
    @rufus clyde

    Looks like you don’t read newspapers or follow news from other sources. The infections and deaths of Iranian parliamentarians was reported all over the world, including in Iranian media.

    Without getting paranoid about this Covid thingy, it IS a serious problem for all of mankind (humankind in Wokespeak). I wish I could dismiss it as “this shape-shifting critter that has insidiously left the vast majority of most populations alone” as easily as you can.

    • Replies: @rufus clyde
  51. annamaria says:
    @anon

    The sudden and catastrophic show up of Covid-19 in Iran has exposed the US as a perpetrator of the pandemic. That was another ‘generous gesture’ of Israel-firsters in their fight with Persian Amalek.

    Another stunning sign of the ongoing Covid saga is the vicious suppression of meds that can provide life-saving help to those infected with Covid-19. The Ivermectin and Hydroscholoquine are the poster meds in this story, and their condemnation by the totally prestituting mass MSM suggests several themes for pondering: 1. The insatiable greed of BigPharama and its shareholders; 2. The still-unexplained obsession with the vaxxing by all governments around the globe, whatever their ideological leaning. It is quite possible that the general population has been kept in the dark regarding the true nature of the virus.

  52. Ron Unz says:
    @Vox Australis

    An Australian journalist, Sharri Markson, has just published a book, “What Really Happened In Wuhan: A Virus Like No Other, Countless Infections, Millions of Deaths”, Harper Collins, published 29 September 2021. The book has attracted quite a lot of attention

    I’d never heard of her until a week or two ago, but she seems to be a Jewish Neocon who works for Rupert Murdoch, and has no scientific background, certainly raising doubts about the quality of her Covid book.

    I certainly haven’t read it, but for those who have, I’m curious how she deals with the three or four exceptionally suspicious issues I raised in my column. My guess is that she simply ignored them, demonstrating that her analysis is worthless, but perhaps I’m being unfair to her, and someone else here can correct me.

  53. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    We dunno, maybe, maybe not, on the one hand but then on the other, too early to tell, etc. Not much for our billions. But then, as pointed out by commenters, what more could be expected. After all, they’re in the business of acquiring ‘intelligence’ (is that the right word?) and keeping it as well as initiating secret actions, not ratting themselves out. Would a mafia self-report accurately?
    Take a fraction of the billions that they consume and distribute it to Mr Unz and all the others who’ve gone to all the effort to get the real picture before the public in the face of censorship and engineered campaigns of ridicule and harassment. We’d get some real intelligence then.

  54. cohen says:

    Someone raised an interesting point a few days ago in Keven Barret’s article,

    What happened to those fake videos of Chinese falling off like flies because of Covid. It was not CIA but Chinese govt. Sounds like collusion.

    Does anyone has reasonable answer including Ron UNZ.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  55. annamaria says:
    @AReply

    That was a diatribe of a deeply wounded person.
    Ronald Unz is a top-notch Mensch.
    As for the bitter “AReply” never heard of her.

  56. How many Intelligence Agencies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
    17 plus a brain dead potus who forgets where the light switch is.

    Btw, can someone list the 17. I never knew that many could screw up so badly, and they call them intelligence? I mean, Seriously???
    This 24/7/365 reality comic show would be laughable if it didn’t hurt so much.

    Imma get real and go gangsta on dees niqqaz, schitt, wut dey tinks I am, unejakated?

    • Replies: @d dan
  57. Lysias says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    For America’s Intel expertise to have undergone a decline, it must once have been superior. I wonder. Through the Cold War, it had spectacular failures like the inability to predict a Russian atom bomb in 1949 and the failure to predict the launch of Sputnik. The CIA was the agency most responsible for our getting involved in Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  58. schrub says:

    The actual severity or morbidity rates of Covid are totally irrelevant, since the reasons for the worldwide lockdowns were for reasons that might have been entirely different from those pushed in the media or by governments.

    These reasons and procedures were clearly outlined way back in 2010 when the Rockefeller Foundation printed its disaster scenarios under the tile of “Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development”.

    I am surprised that, to this very day, few people are unaware of this truly world-shaking publication. One chapter entitled “Lock Step” (pages 18-21) clearly details the outline for what has been happening during the last few years. Here is a link to this “must read”. Remember while you are reading it that this was written over ten years ago.

    https://www.nommeraadio.ee/meedia/pdf/RRS/Rockefeller%20Foundation.pdf.

    If your attention span is short, just read pages 18-21. If you are a little more patient, read the rest of the disaster “scenarios” which are just as scary.

    These people are truly evil.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @Lysias
    , @CelestiaQuesta
  59. TKK says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    You can’t have equal opportunity, diversity, or whatever they call it these days, and still have competence. This partially explains America’s declining expertise.

    I call this SLIPPAGE and as a lawyer, I see evidence of this everyday. The ball is rolling, and the breakdown will come rapidly once critical mass takes effect.

    When you start paying attention, you will see it everywhere.

    [MORE]

    * Call for any customer service assistance, you are speaking with a non English speaking person living outside of the continental US who is following a script and has no authority to make decisions.

    * More AA hires in medicine and law. Watch for malpractice suits. Plaintiffs lawyers are mostly Democrats and kept mum about it, but black “physicians” are butchering and maiming patients all over the country. Look at the recent “surgeon” who was logging into a Zoom call with a patient on the table.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-democrat-doctor-teri-hill-fined-zoom-operating-room-plastic-surgeon

    * Go to any government agency and encounter the surly, black civil servants. Will you be able to finish your errand? If they are in a good mood that day. If not- too bad.

    As a lawyer, black lawyers *NEVER* read their emails. Then, when a deadline comes, they email the team: Do we have a meeting this morning?

    It is right in their email. They can’t be bothered to read. If you call them on it, as I have, they state: Their Outlook calendar did not update. Outlook works for billions everyday, but if you are black, it malfunctions.

    This is the slow death of America. If you can, you need to pack up and move to cold, mountainous states or out of the country. Having millions of dollars may protect you, but stop and look around.

    How many mayors, governors and city councilman are black now? Obese, ghetto, hateful blacks who will have real power. They infest all federal jobs and postal jobs. They have no loyalty to any standards of excellence other than personal enrichment or black rage.

    You get sick and go to an ER where some AA hire physician overdoses you or performs the wrong surgery then screams racism if their criminal malpractice is discovered.

    Is that a hill you should die on?

    It breaks my heart to see them being shoe horned into veterinary practice. In Guilford County, NC, the Democratic Party placed a ghetto, disgusting black woman named Marsha Williams as head of the Animal Shelter. I knew it was a huge mistake.

    White people defended her and attacked me when I said she was a danger to animals. Did not care about animals. No blacks do.

    She had her fake “HONEY CHILD, POOR LITTLE PUPPY” routine on the Morning Shows. Was paid 92K a year.

    This repellent critter, and her spawn children, were stealing pain meds meant for dogs and cats. Massive drug ring. Widespread animal cruelty. Look at her photo. Who would hire this beast? To do anything more than clean toilets?

    The state released the findings of its investigation Monday, noting more than 100 documented examples of animal cruelty at the Guilford shelter and abnormally high numbers of dead animals found in kennels at the Davidson shelter.

    This is the infestation, the destruction, of everything that is good and WORKABLE in America. Add in the caravans of criminals coming up from the South.

    How could anyone believe this will have a happy ending???

  60. Ron Unz says:
    @cohen

    What happened to those fake videos of Chinese falling off like flies because of Covid. It was not CIA but Chinese govt. Sounds like collusion.

    Well, all those obviously fake videos aimed at anti-China morons were distributed by anti-China websites, promoted by anti-China activists, and presumably produced by anti-China organizations.

    So you should probably ask those people what happened to those videos.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @cohen
  61. Lysias says:
    @schrub

    That 2010 Rockefeller Foundation document reminds me of the 2011 Hollywood movie Contagion, in which vaccines are the savior.

  62. Treg says:

    Where is Robert Kadlec today? And what is he doing and saying? Where is he working? Did he catch covid? Did he take the jab or get a special jab just for him? What does he say for himself? Has he had any second thoughts?
    Now that is something I would love to read about.

    • Agree: David from Alaska
  63. @geokat62

    I’ve always wondered where all the hundreds of billions or trillions of dark money goes and my instincts always point towards Mossad. They are the missing trillions in dark money projects everyone talks about but refuses to admit, it’s why they’ll never make a feature film starring Tom Hanks telling the real story about the USS Liberty, JFK assassination, 9/11, C19, or the opioid epidemic targeting poor working class whites.

    What other nuclear armed state gets away without having nuclear inspections like the ones imposed on North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan…….. and receives billions each year on top of all the other billions in dark money?
    Did Jeffrey Epstein pedo traps have compromising evidence on more the we are told? It sure hell seems like it.

    As my negro friend in the hood always tells me,he says “CQ, sumpin ant rite, dim hebs own all duh dope and wants us niqqaz to sell it all to crackaz fo less den udda niqqaz, schitt, sumpin ant rite.”

    Sedation of the masses is the best way to keep them docile and useless.

  64. Void says:

    Vaping illness from vitamin acetate E not appearing outside of US before 2020. Also the virus had been in Italy for long. I really appreciated the article by Ron regarding the dating of viruses and put those into types A,B,C etc. I thought however that article ended up a bit speculative. I don’t know if he mentioned it but if originrelease was in vicinity of Fort Dettrick it must have been an accident. If it was China that would be the area to implement it. Possible motives would be weakening US to not being able to help Taiwan. But I lean at US covering it up and the military games hypothesis seems possibility. But still there’s the matter of type A also found in Guandong. Assuming Ron was correct about this. If it wasn’t for closing down Dettrick and the vaping bullshit I could have imagined the US intelligence wasn’t intelligent and believed China attacked first and counterattacked. But yeah it’s all smelling rotten and is frustrating as Guandong and US type A being the deadend. I hope Ron will find out more what I consider groundbreaking information.

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta
  65. @ruralguy

    There are those who seem to wonder aimlessly throughout the trees, unable to see the forest, and their are those of us who can spot bs as of it were slung from a monkeys ass.
    Seriously, there are many here among us who have a sixth sense that is beyond the realms of what spy agencies claim to possess.
    They have proved themselves beyond a reasonable doubt they are the most incompetent pos to have even been given keys to everything we think is protected, locked, including our mind and body.

    This isn’t intell, this is inhell.

  66. d dan says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    “Btw, can someone list the 17. ”

    You need to know the names of the thief dens if you want to catch the thief. Here you go:

    1. Office of the Director of National Intelligence
    2. Central Intelligence Agency
    3. National Security Agency
    4. Defense Intelligence Agency
    5. Federal Bureau of Investigation
    6. Department of State – Bureau of Intelligence and Research
    7. Department of Homeland Security – Office of Intelligence and Analysis
    8. Drug Enforcement Administration – Office of National Security Intelligence
    9. Department of the Treasury – Office of Intelligence and Analysis
    10. Department of Energy – Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence
    11. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
    12. National Reconnaissance Office
    13. Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance
    14. Army Military Intelligence
    15. Office of Naval Intelligence
    16. Marine Corps Intelligence
    17. Coast Guard Intelligence

    Source: https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-17-intelligence-agencies-20170112-story.html

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  67. skrik says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    Governments have clearly been compromised by corporate powers (Big Pharma especially). They have shown incompetence at all levels

    Well, that’s now quite ‘normal,’ at least since neoliberalism was inflicted upon us [we the people], starting IIRC in Chile, ’73. Thanks, but “No, thanks!” to the ‘Chicago boys.’

    I will try ‘flying a kite:’

    1. SARS-CoV-2 is lab-created, the spike is a chimera of RaTG13 with an MP789 RBD.

    2. The cleavage site was added in, in an apparently ‘amateurish’ way, partly as a provocation but of course, to make it horribly infective.

    3. The final step lab-creators were not in WIV, although initial work may well have been done there via the Ecohealth connection [meaning that ZUSA had access to all ‘product’].

    4. The release near Wuhan was deliberate [not by Chinese] to implicate WIV, and aimed primarily at China, as a ‘signal’ [as ZUSA loves to do], all the while knowing that it would ‘blowback’ into ‘the West’ [= the chaos was ‘planned in’]. I agree with Mr Unz as to targeting Iran, which would have been via deliberate distribution [micro-drones, perhaps], and I think that Russia is probably also under deliberate distribution attack.

    5. Ta-ra! Q: Why? A: As the main thrust, to electronically chip us all, in a metaphorical sense, via QR-code certificates [it’s a big part of ‘digitisation’].

    We will thereafter be at their mercy – totally controlled, and probably no cash but electronic banking, whereby they can ‘switch’ dissidents off, say.

    Also, since ‘they’ are trying to force mRNA upon the entire ‘Western’ population, there is probably some very nasty ‘side-effects’ on the way. One would assume that the covert cabal within the ZUSA rogue-regime [and their nearest and dearest ‘mates’] will not ‘get the jab,’ but will have an antidote handy.

    So much for ‘democracy and freedom;’ we can all kiss such ‘romantic notions’ goodbye and for ever. brrr + rgds

  68. What Ron Unz won’t tell you directly is that the evidence for the CIA or other US-backed organizations creating covid is every bit as circumstantial as it having been engineered mainly by China in its Wuhan lab.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  69. @skrik

    Interesting. Even if one doesn’t agree on the details, one thing is absolutely clear, to wit, when man invents anything that could be used for evil, he sure enough uses it. I’m talking about modern technology and all of its deadly aspects and possibilities for control. We most likely are up sh-t creek without a paddle.

  70. Ron Unz says:
    @Napoleon Wilson

    What Ron Unz won’t tell you directly is that the evidence for the CIA or other US-backed organizations creating covid is every bit as circumstantial as it having been engineered mainly by China in its Wuhan lab.

    If you’ll notice, the points I made above had absolutely nothing to do with the technical details of bioengineering a dangerous virus, a subject about which I have no personal expertise.

    But let me provide a simple analogy to my Covid arguments, based upon a classic Film Noir plot.

    Suppose some businessman is having severe financial and marital problems, and takes out a large life insurance policy on his wife, who two weeks later dies in a mysterious street killing. Does that prove he did it? Absolutely not! But surely both the local police and the insurance company would be extraordinarily suspicious.

    And the secret DIA report I emphasized takes things another step. Suppose that the businessman had told his nagging mistress that he’d finally be free to marry her within another week or two…

  71. @onebornfree

    Onebornfree, let me guess how you scratch your ass when it itches – you first scratch the palm of your hand and then place it on your ass where it itches.

    • LOL: Ben the Layabout
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  72. @schrub

    Instead of a high priestess of the Temple of Delphi, the Pythia aka the Oracle of Delphi, who predicts future wars and answers to national problems.
    What we have today is a modern version of an Oracle, that speaks with one United voice from the synagogues of Satan, represented by GlobalHomoZioBIGsRxMIC3 oracles.
    Her name has been changed to protect methods and procedures, but the ancient art of disinformation is alive and well.

  73. Rosette says:

    Don’t forget that the US finished 35th at the military games, 35th that’s behind Uzbekistan, Morroco and frigging Lithuania, to me this is a big red light, could the US have sent CIA agents to drop some droplets at the games? Could a horseshoe bat virus have been brought here so that our best in the world virologists could create a chimera funded by our government to study the spike proteins?? Nah, they wouldn’t do that.
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2021/01/01/scandal-in-sars-cov-2-inquiry-inside-who-task-force-a-gates-partner-who-funded-in-wuhan-us-chimera-viruses-tests/

    Our good friend Ralph wrote an excellent paper on the risks and BENEFITS of manipulating that stuff:

    http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/39652/Baric%20Synthetic%20Viral%20Genomics.pdf;sequence=1

    But wait, there’s more! If you have followed the suspicious activities of Ralph Baric, Shi Zheng-Li, Peter Daszak and Tony Fauci, there was a moratorium in 2017 to pause the funding of GOP research but a few were exempt and just went on… NO, NO, I won’t tell you who.

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jean-Claude-Perez/publication/340100582_WUHAN_COVID-19_SYNTHETIC_ORIGINS_AND_EVOLUTION/links/5e78a952a6fdcccd62192a2b/WUHAN-COVID-19-SYNTHETIC-ORIGINS-AND-EVOLUTION.pdf

    Oh, and did you ever hear about Project G-2101, you know, about a Pentagon biolab discovering SARS and MERS? No?

    https://armswatch.com/project-g-2101-pentagon-biolab-discovered-mers-and-sars-like-coronaviruses-in-bats/?__cf_chl_managed_tk__=pmd_Dm7mbRNEu.RW7Llobr7Gv7VfN.H81j3F0Yl.iNIMLPY-1635787335-0-gqNtZGzNA5CjcnBszQil

    Now, I kept the best for the end: Dilyana! What, you don’t know her? You should…

    https://southfront.org/pentagon-bio-weapons/

    Therefore, a biologic attack? Probably. By China or the US? Yes.

    • Thanks: annamaria
  74. JackOH says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    Governments have clearly been compromised by corporate powers (Big Pharma especially). They have shown incompetence at all levels. Their continuing responses to the pandemic in the name of “public health” have already cost trillions of dollars and the loss, perhaps permanent, of millions of jobs and damage to civil liberties.

    Ben—, I agree 100%. I am confident to a near certainty that any major investigation into America’s pandemic response will likely exculpate the players who’ve made our response so lousy. Government, Big Medicine’s Iron Pyramid, etc. Where are we? Maybe 15th from the top in deaths per 100,000, and #1 in economic costs per 100,000?

  75. @Carlton Meyer

    Taking a dump on Nazi Pelosi’s desk was worthy of a monument symbolizing America’s destine for career politicians, just as marines lifting the flag on Iwa Jima monument.
    Where do i donate funding that piece of historical Americana art.

  76. @Vox Australis

    An Australian journalist, Sharri Markson, has just published a book, “What Really Happened In Wuhan: A Virus Like No Other, Countless Infections, Millions of Deaths”,

    Markson must have mistaken Australiar for Wuhan and whiteman for Covid!!! 😀

    • Replies: @Half Back
  77. @ruralguy

    I worked in that world, for many years. There is nothing nefarious going on ….

    Yeah, right … if you worked in that world, what’s the total term of your NDA ?

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
  78. Realist says:
    @Dystopian

    Have you ever read anything from Mr. Unz that was critical of the CCP? His agenda seems to be putting the United states in a bad light and shielding the Chinese from criticism.

    It is impossible to overstate the corruption and degeneracy in the U. S. The people of this country have allowed and in many cases abetted the elite power structure to completely fuck this country up. The solution will be by force…nothing else will save this country.

  79. @michael888

    The Chinese acknowledged they were working with bats. The question was, which bats? I have stated from the outset, that acquaintances who work(ed) in a Level 4 Lab have acknowledged that an accidental leak is not impossible, but it is highly improbable unless safety regulations are ignored. Now that is possible, after all, Fort Detrick was shut down for gross safety violations, and the CDC put under great pressure to re-open it. Why the great pressure? are the other 199 US Military labs not enough?
    That is not to say the Chinese are being completely honest, but in comparison to the rest of the COVID narrative, which has more holes than a Swiss cheese, it sure looks that way. No one posting here knows what happened, but if they have lied about a PCR “test”, and what a “case” is, then it is a certainty that they are lying about everything else.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  80. TheMoon says:

    When is it not only moral, but a moral imperative to rise up and kill your government?

  81. GMC says:

    There are probably dozens of sub contracted Intel Agencies attached or not to the “17” known government agencies. These probably do the clandestine stuff, as in extortion, assassinations, black ops and they could be any nationality since the USG is a Globalist Crime Syndicate. Without mentioning all the BioWeapons Labs and getting into each Global Zone of these Labs – Covid 19 Internationaly will never be addressed. What is happening in Russia and their pussy approach is an example. The Russian language is a great anti immigration weapon, but too many pro Western fuckers in the Gov could make Russia vax out instead of trying for herd immunity. Then again, how do we get herd immunity from a Lab BioWeapon..?? Personally, I think the jews rewrote the Russian Language fromt the Ortodox monks but that would be an Anatoly Karlin debate, with his very interesting group of Russians.

  82. Realist says:
    @skrik

    So much for ‘democracy and freedom;’ we can all kiss such ‘romantic notions’ goodbye and for ever. brrr + rgds

    Agreed, and this was done with the insouciance and stupidity of the U. S. populace.

  83. nickels says:

    I dunno.
    I personally think Brittney Spears is behind the whole thing. She has plenty of money to buy the ‘know how’ for creating this virus.
    The whole thing was brilliantly played-not right at the height of the confusion and crisis, out comes the ‘free Brittney’ meme, giving the entire world a cause to get behind, regardless of their position on so many other confusing topics.
    Cui Bono. That is what one has to ask.
    First we have the pandemic, and now Brittney is free.
    Pretty clear cut.

  84. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    But let me provide a simple analogy to my Covid arguments, based upon a classic Film Noir plot.

    Suppose some businessman is having severe financial and marital problems…

    A classic Film Noir novel? Yes, I like this line of thinking. But let’s take it in a little different direction.

    Instead of an unscrupulous businessman, however, let’s imagine a people who consider themselves to be in a seemingly unending Manichaean conflict, a battle of good and evil, between HaShem’s chosen and the goyim.

    After suffering over a thousand expulsions from 109 locations, the technology has now advanced to such a point that fulfilment of sacred prophesy is at hand: blotting out the memory of amalek; building the third temple; anointing the Mosiach.

    That’s from the perspective of the religious branch of Team Zion. For the secular branch, it’s absolute power… the opportunity to rule the world, eternally.

    And rather than taking out an insurance policy, get your intelligence agency to unleash an ingenious scheme in which to enslave the goyim.

    First you place them under house arrest out of fear of dying from the ro, then you place them under house arrest out of fear of melting the earth.

    Who do you think coined the phrase, go big or go home?

    Can you connect the dots, goy?

    The future of your children and grandchildren depends on it.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  85. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Rev. Spooner

    Mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint! 😆

    “Regards” onebornfree

  86. onebornfree says: • Website
    @d dan

    Only 17 “intelligence agencies”?

    Kerr-iist, That’s not nearly “intelligent” enough! I say we should at least double that figure!

    After all , if 17 “intelligence” agencies work so well, another 17 would surely double the “intelligence”. Makes “sense” to me.😆

    “Mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint, mo’ gubmint! I am forced to scream.

    “Regards”, onebornfree

  87. Ko says:

    Astounding is the fact that Globalists – WEF, billionaires, big pharma, corporate behemoths, governments and their crony boot lickers, corporate healthcare, and almost anyone with a shitun of money has declared war on humanity and everyone sits around wondering where Covid-19 came from, when all you have to do is watch videos of Dr Flemind, Dr. Martin and Catherine Austin Fitts to know what the F is going on.

    Instead, most of humanity is pretending “something is wrong” when they damn well know what the F is wrong but they haven’t the brains or courage to do something about it.

    Who G A F where covid-19 came from? We all know who’s trying to murder us. Isn’t that enough?

    • Agree: JohnnyGodYilmaz
  88. pro-China partisans–sometimes supported by China’s own media organs–have highlighted scientific studies around the world that seemingly found traces of Covid infections in other countries long before the original outbreak in Wuhan, suggesting that the outbreak originally began elsewhere.

    Since I devote much of my leisure time to disproving anti-China allegations (like invisible famines in which nobody starves to death and invisible massacres in which nobody dies) I must be a pro-China partisan.

    So it falls to me to point out that, on all the available evidence, Covid was rife in the USA long before it reached China.

    There may be studies that ‘have found traces of Covid,’ but the major studies–mostly from the CDC–did not find ‘traces’. They found, and certified, massive Covid infections, and even deaths.

    The world’s first, lab-certified, Covid death was that of Lovell “Cookie” Brown, who died in Kansas on Jan. 9, 2020. This is from a death certificate that was certified correct by the CDC. The first Chinese Covid death occurred two days later.

    The WHO inspection found no evidence of infection in China prior to November, 2019, but the CDC found that, by December, 2019, 4-6 million Americans were Covid seropositive: “Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies: December 2019-January 2020,” by Sridhar V Basavaraju, MD, et al.

    That means that 4-6 million had had the virus earlier and, since Covid deaths double every six weeks when left unchecked, a simple regression shows that the disease was widespread here as early as 2018.

    The US and China figures are consonant with what has happened since: widespread deaths in America and few in China since early 2020.

    How and where the virus got a foothold in the human population is as yet unknown, but we know that China was not the first site and we know that the US is violently opposed to a WHO inspection–despite the fact that America’s health supremo, Francis Collins, M.D., Ph.D., director of the US National Institutes of Health said, “The Coronavirus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak.”

    It’s too early for conspiracy theories.

  89. I do not know enough about bio weapons, that’s why I trust the experts. Most tell us that C19 is natural. So, please do not write about things you do not know a thing about. If you still insist on your opinion you are a bio weapon cultist.

    Swallow your own medicine, like the so called saker.

    • LOL: GMC
  90. We the public, don’t need “intelligence agencies” to tell us what this covid is all about. We can all see with our own eyes that most governments around the world are all dancing to the same tune and the media are following in a carefully orchestrated plan to destroy the world as we have known it and remake the world in the image of what certain world billionaires desire it to be. At this point it doesn’t matter if the virus was engineered by China, US, or anyone else. What is clear is that the danger of the covid virus has been magnified 1000x to scare the world’s people into accepting the wearing of masks that don’t do anything and to get shots that offer little or no protection against a disease that only is dangerous to those with compromised immune systems. The shots have been found to damage the body in multiple ways. They are in essence, “kill shots”.

    • Agree: GMC
  91. voicum says:
    @AReply

    Right… We should , instead, listen to your elucubrations …..

  92. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Lets’ flesh out your analogy a bit more (since Bob Kadlec, features in your hypothesis). See this:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/exclusive-excerpt-navarro-book/

    What part does Bob Kadlec play in your analogy, if, indeed he was among those attempting to set the record straight (against Faucian obfuscation), around hydroxychloroquine, so that the Trump admin could set accurate public policy, as seems to be indicated in the above-provided article?

    • Agree: Marcion
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  93. @AReply

    Your rebuttal for “Unz weenies” is conspicuously lacking in substance, and describing Unz’ article as “adolescent… idiotic… perverse… tediously childish… diatribes…” is not very persuasive. Spittle and insults alone are insufficient.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  94. sally says:
    @mexianon

    Suggest to send to each employee of the Deep State a Tee Shirt with
    I be an intelligent agent for the secret corporate empire engraved on
    the front and back in giant sized print. and to those retired similarly
    a tee shirt I was an intelligent.agent for the secret corporate empire..

  95. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    By the pricking of my arm, something wicked comes to harm.

  96. @Stan d Mute

    It worked, didn’t it? You don’t see hundreds of Koreans invading North America.

  97. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Who Staged the Videos of People Collapsing in Wuhan? (June 5, 2021)
    https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2021/06/who-staged-the-videos-of-people-collapsing-in-wuhan-2672982.html

    Contrary to claims that there were “dozens” or even “hundreds” of such videos, there were only about ten such videos, which were shown in various places and in various combinations.

    Most of these videos really had nothing to do with covid. Rather, these videos showed drunk people, homeless people (even in other Chinese cities), road accidents, unspecified medical emergencies, and even training exercises run by Chinese authorities.

    Because of the simultaneous virus outbreak, first responders in Wuhan often already wore protective equipment (the famous white bio-hazard suits). Thus, to bystanders and to people uploading and sharing the videos, it may have looked like actual “sudden coronavirus deaths.”

    In many cases, video titles, captions, or comments did suggest or claim the videos showed “sudden coronavirus deaths”, but in no case was this confirmed or claimed by Chinese authorities. In fact, several of these videos were quickly debunked by Western “fact checkers”.

    It looks like most of these videos were shared internationally, not by people close to the Chinese
    regime but by people and groups opposed to the Chinese regime (e.g. by ‘Voice of Hong Kong’ and ‘Badiucao’), who wanted to show that the Chinese regime had lost control. The above video compilation, for instance, was published by Taiwan-based news platform TomoNews US.

    In conclusion, there is currently no evidence that the “collapsing people” videos of January 2020 were a “Sun Tzu style” Chinese psyop. Instead, they may have been part of the “mass psychosis” at the time, leveraged by clickbaiters and hoaxers and Western media, or they may have been part of a Western psyop against China, the Western population, or both.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz, Yevardian
  98. @ruralguy

    They’re not wandering aimlessly.

    Everyone’s silenced or diverted since their pension/freedom are under threat from the Jew Machine that now controls it all.
    See: 9/11 and its untold miracles that played out —- each and every one to the benefit of the Global Jewish Nation.

    • Replies: @nietzsche1510
  99. Marcion says:
    @AReply

    You seem only capable of expressing your personal dislikes. The good folks around here expect a modicum of evidence when they hear overarching claims.

  100. reading says:

    The world’s evil oligarchs formed Secret Alliances in the United States through secret baby eating rituals and united each other by jointly committing blasphemous antisocial crimes

    They uphold the spirit of neoliberalism. They directly believe that they are gods. They have washed the world with the virus flood. They use the internal secret vaccine as the selected ark ticket

    Use the superior warehouse of the ark to buy the elites of other countries and act with them

    Spread fear, blackmail the middle class with inferior vaccines, shrink their wealth, owe endless debts, become rowing slaves in the bottom cabin of Noah’s ark, eliminate poverty, and the poor are regarded by them as garbage that needs to be eliminated

    Through the virus flood, we found that the wealth of the rich has increased sharply in the past two years compared with previous years

    This is only the first wave. How many more viruses are there in the laboratories controlled by various rich prince groups?

    • Replies: @nietzsche1510
  101. @michael888

    And the astonishing lack of palliative medicine. Like aspirin, cough syrup, antivirals. Why so much focus on vaccines?

    • Agree: michael888
  102. The World Military games were held near Wuhan in Oct 2019. Athletes from multiple countries including France, Germany, Canada, and Italy reported becoming sick with Covid-like symptoms.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/congress-wuhan-military-games-2019-covid/

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @rufus clyde
  103. @Andreas

    It depends on the questions in the questionnaire.
    1) Was SARS-CoV-2 Genetically Engineered? NO!
    2) Are you sure? NO!

    • Agree: Von Rho
    • LOL: Andreas
  104. @Ron Unz

    Sorry if I missed something after making my reading of this impressive blast my last reading before dropping off to sleep. Now, in my attempt to be constructive as I resist the formidable advocacy of one who persuaded Ca, Ma and Az to adopt English for the Children I thought I should focus first on that medical intelligence report and associated points. So I Googled

    “were any chinese wuhan based officials sack”

    Amongst the pieces listed was this

    https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-beijing-only-on-ap-epidemics-media-122b73e134b780919cc1808f3f6f16e8

    Of that I merely observe that it is a belated debating point against your defensive reaction to questions, erroneously based in ignorance of what that piece reports,, as to why China didn’t make a case that the US was responsible.

    And here are three self explanatory links that may be thought to leave open the suggestion that local officials should have passed on warnings to Beijing much earlier than they did.

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/chinese-officials-sacked-over-coronavirus-outbreak/news-story/d1acfae3fd25688f34aa03a580e46a4a

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/11/china-fires-two-senior-hubei-officials-over-coronavirus-outbreak

    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-official-sacked-after-new-coronavirus-cases-surface-in-wuhan

    Now a question that is more than rhetorical. Why hasn’t Trump been accused of devastating inattention to the intelligence summary that included the warning about Wuhan? It’s not something that can be saved up for use if he attempts to run again for the presidency.

    And uunless one is in a position to deny the possibility that some lab technician got infected, but asympmptomatically, and spread the virus in Wuhan, how can one deny that China and the US share the blame for financing and promoting gain of function research at WIV?

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  105. @onebornfree

    Because you do not understand or want to understand Hudson´s explanations that you brought your country, the USA, to utter degeneracy.

  106. Mike Tre says:
    @The Alarmist

    The don’t know it’s him posting here because he uses Incognito Mode.

  107. @reading

    All the prince groups are fed by the money printers.

  108. @Godfree Roberts

    thank you, godfree, as one who believes i contracted the disease in the fall of 2019 before anyone was being tested for it, i am now in the process of finding a lab in canada that will test for molecules that have not retired to the bone marrow. i’m hoping with this i may qualify for an immunity passport.

  109. @Zorton the Cruel

    I know of no Jew unemployed. Or a medium-class Jew who has not become a millionaire or a millionaire Jew who is not listed as a billionaire or a Billionaire Jew completely out of listing like the Rothschilds & the Rockefellers.

  110. @haha

    Looks like you don’t know how to assess your sources of information. Analyzing the phoney Covid death toll in a vast third-world failed state like the USA is extremely difficult, given the various corrupt entities in corporate commerce, government and their lap-dog media, but in Alberta, Canada, we have a much more accurate, albeit corrupted, picture of Covid. We were told 800 000 people would be infected by mid-May, 2020, in the best-case scenario. Worse case would be 1 600 000l. There were under 10 000 “cases” by the end of May of that year. Currently, just over 300 000 “cases” (a case being a positive test with PCR at over 35 cycles), of which 2763 have been in ICU, and 3000 died, out of a population of 4.381 million. 73.4% of deaths with three or more serious pre-existing conditions, average age 78, over 60% occurring in the 26 000 residents of long-term care.

    So 6000 “severe” outcomes, most of whom were extremely sick, frail elderly people, or 1.3 people in 1000.

    Never let facts get in the way of a good emotionally-driven derp. Keep up the good work.

  111. @beavertales

    You mean influenza-like illness symptoms? Stop the presses!

  112. @Ron Unz

    It’s a good thing if your writings are being censored. It means that your work is on a level similar to the Bible 🙂 . The first book Gutenberg printed was the Bible in 1450.

    “It’s wide circulation in the language of the people greatly alarmed the Church. As a result in 1511 the pope Alexander VI issued a bull prohibiting the printers from publishing a book without the express permission bfrom the Archibishop.” (Chastain. A brief history of the Huguenots. https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89097240063&view=1up&seq=35&skin=2021).

    It didn’t even take 60 years after the birth of the Internet for governments and lobby groups to ask the likes of Facebook and Google to censor their media.

  113. @ruralguy

    There is nothing nefarious going on, but when they collect data, they cannot reveal how they obtained it, without compromising a costly intelligence infrastructure that took decades to develop. The public always has an extremely superficial view of what is going on in the world, out of necessity. None of us in the public can make inferences from what little we know.

    Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) collection via material published in newspapers, magazines, tech manuals, trade journals (etc) or transmitted on television, radio, internet (etc) provides a tremendous amount of all information analyzed by US intelligence agencies.

    Open sources can provide up to 90% of the information needed to meet most U.S. intelligence needs, Deputy Director of National Intelligence Thomas Fingar said in a recent speech. Harnessing that information “is terribly important,” he said. “It ought to be a normal part of what we do, not being fixated on secrets dribbling into the computer’s in-box.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4562508&page=1

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  114. frankie p says:
    @michael888

    I thank you for your interesting comment and the CDC link on estimated COVID-19 burden. Perhaps you could explain your statement, “which most Americans have based on CDC estimates”, because I am not seeing that in the link you provided. According to the CDC link, the estimated number of total infections at the end of May, 2021 was 120.2 million, well over a third of the population. I find it amazing that the CDC has published this information on its website and virtually NO Americans are aware of this high number of people with natural immunity. However, it still doesn’t jibe with your “most Americans” comment. Am I missing something? Thanks again for your comment and the link.

    • Replies: @michael888
  115. anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    1) COVID-19 was co-developed in Fort Detrick, Maryland as well as Wuhan, China with some addionatly development in Calgary, Canada
    2) COVID was never meant to kill, its purpose was to induce fear, the vast majority of the supposed 5 million COVID deaths died WITH COVID not from COVID. At best a few hundreds of thousands died from COVID because they were immuno-compromised and very weak ie old and those with major sicknesses

    [MORE]

    3)the economy was crashing in early 2019, everybody knew it and we all predicted a recession in early 2020 with some predicting an entire depression (ps we are in a depression anyway so they were right)
    4)COVID was launched in Maryland around summer hence the mysterious pig deaths, then it was either spread in Wuhan during the Wuhan war games or the Wuhan branch just released it around Q3 2019
    5)Repo crisis in September 2019 was a consequence of this
    6)Kill Gates and Co, create YouTube video in October talking about possible world wide virus transmission destroying entire nations
    7)There were probably multiple releases of COVID variants around the world, its impossible for a virus to mutate several times within the span of a few months
    8)COVID is just one tool the powers that be used to accomplish their goals of total control of the plebs if they really wanted to they could unleash a real killer virus that would wipe out most of us but they don’t because they stand to lose their life of luxury if the plebs aren’t working and CONSOOOOMING
    9)the elites also want to initiate a currency collapse so as to introduce a new currency in which they have even greater controll than they currently have with USD

  116. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    What part does Bob Kadlec play in your analogy, if, indeed he was among those attempting to set the record straight (against Faucian obfuscation), around hydroxychloroquine, so that the Trump admin could set accurate public policy, as seems to be indicated in the above-provided article?

    Well, I don’t know whether HCQ is effective against Covid, and I don’t particularly care. Maybe Kadlec was taking the correct side on that issue or maybe he wasn’t. Unlike various others, I’ve never suggested that the Deep State Neocons who probably unleashed the Covid epidemic did so with the intent of severely damaging American society.

    My main points about Kadlec have nothing to do with that article:

    (1) Since the late 1990s, Kadlec had been one of America’s leading advocates of biowarfare.

    (2) Trump hired him in 2017 and then during 2018 and 2019, China was hit by mysterious viral epidemics that devastated its poultry and pork industries.

    (3) From January to August 2019, Kadlec ran the large scale “Crimson Contagion” exercise, in which state and federal officials worked together to plan how to best protect America against the spread of a new hypothetical dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease which suddenly appeared in China. And by the most astonishing coincidence, two months after the exercise ended, exactly that sort of dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease did suddenly appear in China.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#p_1_29

  117. durd says:
    @skrik

    We will thereafter be at their mercy – totally controlled, and probably no cash but
    electronic banking, whereby they can ‘switch’ dissidents off, say.

    As shown here:

  118. @Personanongrata

    Christ! Not a Bellingcrap groupie are you?

  119. @rufus clyde

    Now, now, rufus-the Free Press assured us that Alberta was a Hell on Earth because of vax deniers like you. Who am I to believe?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  120. @Wizard of Oz

    Asymptomatic spread? Don’t occur. You are snatching at straws old boy. Gotta blame those ‘Yellow Devils’, no matter what.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  121. On an esoteric note:

    We understand the word corona is crown or coronation but I’m convinced the origins of “covid” are not “Sars-Cov2” but of the Roman poet, Ovid, and his poem The Metamorphoses.

    Advert world. Everything is a slogan with a secret meaning.

    • Thanks: rufus clyde
  122. Fact : there’s no excess mortality in 2020. Millions have not died because of c19.

    The so called virus was never isolated and purified. No government was able to produce any
    proof that covid 19 even exists. Conclusion : the whole Wuhan lab narrative is utter rubbish.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @skrik
  123. sbio says:
    @michael888

    They can’t use a WHOLE virus, Michael, because it is a genetically modified virus containing 4 insertions of HIV.
    https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/suppressed-science-indicates-covid-19-man-made-jenna-luche-thayer/

    The Australian company CSL used the whole virus and the trial participants ended up testing positive for HIV antibodies.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/11/australia-terminates-university-of-queensland-vaccine-deal-with-csl-after-false-positives-for-hiv

  124. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Kadlec, Malone and Callahan Pepcid \$21 grift:

    Pepcid as a virus remedy? Trump admin’s \$21M gamble fizzled
    https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-understanding-the-outbreak-technology-clinical-trials-13e13ba67fc1fe8f9c744e294f3e54d6

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/?showcomments#comment-4780058

    “he came up with the worst possible response” – He had more bright ideas like \$21 million for studying anti-acid medication (Pepcid) as a cure for covid-19. One person who was pushing for the study was Robert Malone, yes the same Malone of the recent Youtube fame as the “inventor” of mRNA vaccine. He was Alchem’s chief medical officer when it won the Pepcid contract. He claims “he was the first to come up with the idea that Pepcid might be effective against covid-19. Anyway once Alchem was awarded the \$21 million Malone quit or was fired.

    There is something about Robert Malone that he suffers from premature exits. If he stuck around in 1988 where he worked at that time perhaps indeed he would have become the mRNA inventor. Instead now he has his wife writing letters how he was harassed, abused and robbed of the discovery and denied credit:

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  125. @Ron Unz

    Let’s suppose a virus has its most prominent initial breakout in a city that houses a research lab that genetically manipulates exactly this sort of virus to have the same kind of effect observed in an increasing ill local population. This of course does not prove the virus was engineered in that lab and then dispersed inadvertently or purposefully, but it would be grounds for intense suspicion. Let’s take it another step. The very same country where this research lab is located completely refuses any outside investigations, save for one early on led by a research scientist — one with a manifest conflict of interest — who in retrospect unsurprisingly gave the lab a clean bill of health based on completely superficial observations…

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
  126. @Ron Unz

    “Kadlec ran the large scale “Crimson Contagion” exercise, in which state and federal officials worked together to plan how to best protect America against the spread of a new hypothetical dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease which suddenly appeared in China. And by the most astonishing coincidence, two months after the exercise ended, exactly that sort of dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease did suddenly appear in China.”

    ..which of course could simply mean that Kadlec had inside knowledge on the research the Wuhan lab was doing and its potential dangers.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  127. RestiveUs says:
    @TKK

    …As in “slippage” down the slippery slope?

  128. Ron Unz says:
    @Captain Morningwood

    Fact : there’s no excess mortality in 2020. Millions have not died because of c19.

    This is not a Flu Hoaxer thread, and any such subsequent remarks will be trashed, along with anti-Vaxxer comments. However, given yours, I might as well repeat a perennial comment of mine addressing exactly this issue:

    But here’s a listing of TOTAL American deaths from all causes over the last few years, taken directly from the CDC website:

    2014: 2,626,418
    2015: 2,712,630
    2016: 2,744,248
    2017: 2,813,503
    2018: 2,839,205
    2019: 2,854,838
    2020: 3,384,426

    You’ll notice that the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000.

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that America had been struck by a dangerous disease epidemic that year.

    It’s obviously just a matter of personal opinion whether an extra half-million deaths in 2020 is a big number or a small number…

  129. anaccount says:
    @Ron Unz

    As another commenter pointed out, the vast majority of those deaths were over 80 and/or suffered serious co-morbidities. We don’t call it old age now, we call it covid, which means those numbers are utterly meaningless. Do you expect the elderly to live forever? Who cares if it was a bioweapon or not, take a look around. Your silence on our ‘new normal’ is deafening.

  130. Um, Ron?

    You have missed the plot entirely.

    This is the Culling of the Gullible my friend. The putative SARS-2 virus has been the foil. The plot has ALWAYS been the injections.

    [MORE]

    I’m truly sorry that your formative years didn’t imbue in you the proper skepticism of “medical and pharmaceutical” “science” that was ingrained in me. I am sorry that you never understood that opioids are now and have always been physically addictive. I am sorry that you never understood that fags died of drugs (particularly Fauci’s AZT) and prolapsed anuses in the 80’s.

    You have done so much for so many in revealing Narrative suppressed truths. And yet.

    Wake up. The existential threat virus has been a pretext. A pretext to oust a globalist-unpopular (fake populist) president. A pretext to create totalitarian Boomer safetyism. (Except for denouncing obesity).

    Wear your mask Ron. It’s magic. You and Sailer will be saved by it’s talismanic magical power.

  131. Ron Unz says:
    @Napoleon Wilson

    ..which of course could simply mean that Kadlec had inside knowledge on the research the Wuhan lab was doing and its potential dangers.

    You sounds pretty desperate to me…

    Kadlec was a biowarfare guy, not directly connected to Intelligence. You’re saying that in late 2018 he somehow got such a hot tip convincing him that the Wuhan lab had secretly created Covid and was going to accidentally leak it a full year later that he organized our massive “Crimson Contagion” exercise starting in January 2019 to protect America against it.

    Okay. But then why didn’t any of our SEVENTEEN government intelligence agencies also get the same tip, and mention it in their report that was just released?

  132. @Ron Unz

    Damn Ron, that you can rip through the Narrative on the origins of this pretext and yet remain 100% oblivious to the consequences is hurting my head.

  133. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Why do you think I have any dog in the pandemic squabbles? I wouldn’t even be on UR or other threads about it if our very clever host hadn’t challenged friends and enemies alike with what seemed to be a unique theory.

    It is hard to believe that anyone has the gall to make confident scientific pronouncements, even on UR, with less scientific authority behind them than even I command. But your denial of spread from the asymptomatic meets that test.

    As the principal way in which Covid 19 is spread is by aerial transmission of the virus from the respiratory organs of someone who has a load if the virus there, even I’d it is not, at least at that stage, causing symptoms it follows that whether anyone notices symptoms or not, a carrier of the virus can infect others.

  134. cortesar says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    More interesting aspect of the chart of alleged number of Covid deaths’ per 1 M over a period of almost 2 years are similar numbers except China and Australia
    Chine who solved the problem by not going into hysteria after the initial period and Australia which has been an open-air prison for last 2 years other countries that had vey different measures, vaccination rate and so on do not have that different numbers
    If divided by 2 (alleged vs true covid deaths) and by 1.75 (years) the largest difference is between Germany and USA
    (1000/2)/1.75=285 deaths per year per 1M
    This is ridiculously low number which probably is even lower both in terms of total deaths per 1M but even more in terms of differences between “well managed” vs “poorly managed” countries or vaxxed and vs. non vaxxed
    Finally let us put an end on Sweden discussion. Two years later it is evident that despite the lack of draconian measures Sweden performed better than France England, Italy and USA which were countries going through full imprisonment measures during these 2 years

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  135. mcohen says:

    Ron you might be onto something.Except you might have the virus spread the wrong way round.
    what if it spread from Iran first and then to china.
    Let us say it was being developed in a lab in Iran and it first spread to china and then world wide.

    From a climate crisis point of view this would invite another scenario

    What if a private group have decided enough is enough and decided to force governments world wide to take steps to reduce carbon footprints,reduce consumption of fossil fuels,protect the environment by releasing covid 19 and even more deadly viruses if action is not taken immediately.
    The cop26 direction forward will be interesting.

  136. @utu

    There’s not much more odious than a slimy BigPharma troll slandering a highly prominent scientist and researcher like Malone. A slimy, slandering, snake. The assistance that BigPharma trolls have given their paymasters in repressing highly effective and safe medications like ivermectin MUST be investigated by courts one day. The dead demand it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  137. @sbio

    The Chinese vaccines, Sinovac and Sinopharm are attenuated whole virus vaccines, so will be safer and more effective.

  138. @michael888

    I accept Unz’s theory for Iran’s outbreak

    Why? Do you not remember the Korean Christian woman who returned with the virus to Korea and became a superspreader who infected hundreds? Why wouldn’t something like that be the most likely explanation of the spread of the disease amongst elderly Iranian clerics and members of parliament?

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  139. @PseudoPublisher

    I trust the experts. Most tell us that C19 is natural.

    Are you not well out of date? And “most” could mean 50+%.. That being the case would you not want to get some idea of their relative expertise and relative degrees of conviction?

  140. the virus that had killed so many hundreds of thousands of Americans

    What makes you think that?

    1. The RT-PCR test :
    a. Is a process that was not designed as and has been decried as a reliable diagnostic test by Kary Mullis, its creator.
    b. Routinely run at 40 cycles while even the CDC was forced to admit levels above 35 are useless. In an attempt to bolster the Vaccination scam, PCR cycles were lowered to 28 for vaccinated patients only.

    2. All patients with a “positive” test in the previous 30 days were recorded as having died of the disease rather than with it.

  141. Andreas says:
    @Ron Unz

    Taking the analogy another step, let’s say this businessman went about orchestrating the killing of his wife in such a way that there was about an 85-90% chance of it costing him more than what he would collect from the insurance – leaving the police to scratch their heads and ask, “Could this guy really be this stupid?“.

    The risk of blow-back from a biological weapons attack, especially directed against human beings, in the presence of incalculable unknowns regarding the nature of transmission, and with there being no restrictions in place on travel or other controls on human interactions, not to mention all the other unintended consequences, must be extremely high.

    To make all these pieces fit, then, forces classic conspiracy theory suppositions such as a “cabal of rogue Deep State operatives” who have somehow managed to orchestrate a complex act of sheer lunacy on an international scale without drawing any attention to themselves in the process, all the while maintaining a cool outward facade in carrying out their routine duties.

    Alternatively – a “cabal of rogue Deep State operatives” notwithstanding – another way of making these pieces fit is to suppose that within the bowels of the Deep State there has formed an utterly resigned and collective belief that the US can no longer compete against China on its own merits; and that the situation has become so dire in the near to mid-term and the available conventional options so limited, that to carry out a biological attack against China, despite the extremely high odds of something going catastrophically wrong, becomes a viable option.

    Of course, it is all possible. But is any of it probable given the likely other origins of the virus? These other theories have not been conclusively eliminated.

    This is why I cannot fully embrace the theory that the US carried out a deliberate biological weapons attack on China.

    I think it could make great material for a novel of dark geo-political intrigue. But that’s as far as I’ll go in giving it a nod.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Daemon
  142. CCK says:

    Those ‘we lie, we cheat, we steal’ fellas have yet to figure which of those tricks to deploy…

  143. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “safer” I get (as quite likely) , but why “more effective”?

  144. Chinese is in — eyeballs deep. But, they are stalking horse for the Jewish Establisnment.

    The Jews’ fingerprints are all over Covid.
    All Jew propaganda outlets have been lying full blast since the beginning.

    Reddit has hundreds of Covid articles containing thousands of forum comments. Not one article or comment is not pro-vax.
    You guys are so busted.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  145. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:

    The number 19 keeps popping up on all these false flag events. For example there were supposedly nineteen highjackers on nine eleven. Then there there is Covid 19. By way of Deception is a motto belonging to this nineteen club of psychopathic, satanic Criminals. Circus 19 & The Quran (A Must See)

    • Replies: @Zorton the Cruel
  146. Sean says:
    @Andreas

    The United States of America is responsible for controlling its Deep State as far as other countries are concerned. Only Ron knows how truly serious he is about the Covid-19 pandemic being the latest of an escalating series of acts of biological warfare by the US against China. In any case, I do not think he comprehends the implications that would follow were his thesis to be subscribed to by the leadership of China.

    https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/11/01/Where-Did-COVID-Come-From/
    The debate solidly pits scientists like Richard Ebright, a Rutgers University microbiologist long concerned about the safety and proliferation of biomedical technologies, against a group of global virus researchers that share two things in common. They are funded by U.S. and European taxpayers and have actively collaborated with Chinese scientists on coronavirus research. [..]

    Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance has been accused of taking risks in the name of pandemic prevention. While such experiments were temporarily banned in the United States, EcoHealth Alliance has funded more than \$200 million of research at Level 2 and Level 3 labs at Shi’s Wuhan Institute of Virology between 2004 and 2017. […] Ebright has likened Daszak’s pioneering approach to pandemic prevention — hunting down novel viruses in bats and fowl in remote locations and then ferrying samples back to urban biosafety labs for intensive study — to “looking for a gas leak with a lighted match.”

    The lab leak theory may be wrong, but even with the recent Laos discovery, the natural origin of the pandemic is still only 50/50. China would know if they had been attacked unless they are completely stupid. They would only need to be a little bit stupid for a lab leak.

    In 2018 Dr ‘Bat lady’ Shi and Dr Peter Daszack made an application for a \$14 million grant from the US Department of Defence. In their proposal Daszack and Shi stated that they had plans to engineer novel cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses.That perticular proposal was rejected but I think it is clear the US authorities have been funding very unwise research in Wuhan, and by people like Ralph Baric who was collaborating with Wuhan researchers.

  147. Wild Man says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Mulga – I’m in Alberta too. What rufus clyde wrote there is completely accurate. But what you have been told about ‘rational people saying no to covid policy shenanigans’ ….. no, there is very little resistance, overall, here in Alberta. In fact, the much much larger public outcry, is that our conservative government hasn’t been New Zealand-like enough, with respect to the policy responses (the people saying these things seem to have the floor, … they are just crazy, ….. seem like scared little mice that will run to and for, yelling obscene inanities, on a moments notice, as they self-pull the Karenhood strings that said individual has spent their entire lives, carefully crafting, apparently). What you have seen posted on alternative news sites, about push-back on the official covid-19 narrative, in Alberta, .,… all that did happen, ….. but generally these very few organizers and followers are painted as misguided and therefore evil nutjobs, by every level of government and the media, …. which, up to now, as worked just fine with respect to keeping the populace thinking they (as obedient followers of the government covid policies) are on the right side of the good, by way of this loyalty to the illogical. Albertans have mainly, collectively, lost their minds.

  148. ld says:

    I remember reading this in January 2020 MintPress

    Israeli Tech Firm Conducting Simulations on American Psyche in November 2019
    Interesting read.
    The ties are obvious.

    Understanding “Operation Blackout”
    In early November, a team of “hackers” working for the private U.S.-based, Israeli-founded company Cybereason conducted a 2020 election simulation with members of various U.S. agencies, namely the DHS, FBI and the U.S. Secret Service. The simulation was organized by Cybereason and the law firm Venable and the U.S. agencies in attendance were invited and appear to not have been charged to participate.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/cybereason-israel-tech-firm-doomsday-election-simulations/263886/

  149. ld says:
    @ruralguy

    ‘this Wuhan pandemic’ ??? lol

    [MORE]

    Monkeys came to the games
    with a virus in their veins
    giving All their Crown of Strains
    … a present from Fort Detrick

    The homeward bound contestants
    all sickened with the flu
    were carrying contagion
    spread by you know who

    We must be number one
    we must kill the competition
    even if it takes
    a biological emission

    Once our enemies are ravaged
    we’ll sell our vaccination
    but not too soon until we prune
    our elder population

    The gift that keeps on giving
    to the super pharma suits
    aiding in the sieving
    of the coughers that it loots

    Then we’ll point our finger
    at the countries we deplore
    and blame them for our crimes
    like so many times before

    • Thanks: IreneAthena
  150. Jiminy says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Every now and then I notice ABC radio lets the odd little tidbit through, such as a woman employed by the UN, I can’t remember more about her except that she said how the vaccine passport would not be needed as it would not achieve anything. And also a professor mentioned how children are not adversely affected by the dreaded delta strain, nothing more than a cold to most. I noticed that a while back it was reported that a teen died in QLD, but later it was mentioned that the person had suffered from meningococcal disease, which quite often is a death sentence in itself.

  151. @frankie p

    Yes it was estimated at 120 million end of May (not clear why the FDA never updates some things– not official narrative-correct?– and makes OUR data almost impossible to sift through.)

    I simply took the CDC formula: 4.2 X the official Covid case rate (46.9 million) which equals ~197 million. Taking the population as 333 million, then 59% of Americans would have had Covid and thus natural immunity.

    Obviously this is a simplification. The estimation formula may have been wrong from the start Remember Dr. Jay Bhattacharya noted by antibody assays that in his area Covid cases were 10 to 50-fold higher than reported to the CDC. This was early on and he was trashed. Also he and others have noted that cellular immunity to Covid may be better and longer-lasting than antibody immunity (known to fade quickly with coronaviruses). My guess is that the CDC bases all IMMUNITY (thus its estimates) on spike protein vaccines, their antibody titers and assays developed just for spike protein. This is only ONE of the SARS-CoV2’s 25 proteins; quite likely the other 96% may be important in natural immunity.

    Over half of Americans have had the S1 vaccine which possibly “ruins” natural immunity. We know the S1 antibody titers go sky high when someone with natural immunity is S1-vaccinated. We know next to nothing about natural immunity and responses the other 24 viral protein. The prevailing view seems to be that natural immunity will be additive to the spike protein immunity. This is likely wishful thinking. Would really like to see a lot of non-spike protein data for Covid for natural immunity, S1-vaccine immunity and, most of all, the combined immunities.

  152. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    But what use was all the research being done in the Wuhan Institute of Virology? It was supposed to be for pandemic prevention. What use was it for designing vaccines? No use at all for prevention of vaccines. The research was worless for prevention or vaccines. These scientists doing gain of function research were the real cabal, they just wanted to do their thing and the US government to pay for it. Dr Peter Daszack’s EcoHealth Alliance had funded more than \$200 million’s worth of research in Shi’s Wuhan Institute of Virology. Not Deep State, Deep Science is the real threat to humanity,

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  153. @Anon

    Thank you for your cognitive infiltration.

  154. cohen says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am glad the Fake videos back ground is provided by UNZ readers

    From the article, Chinese wanted to scare the devil of the West of Covid which probably is highly unlikely.
    The Anti Chinese elements were behind the fakery, very plausible. Why the Western was promoting the scare. There were real flu or bio attacks on China in the past but the intensity was never so high. It sounded like a scaring technique for some ultimate goals. Maximum fear mongering unlike past.

    There were no comments from the Chinese Govt (to my knowledge). Chinese are very prompt in responding such high stake accusations. And then the conspiracy theory business of Chinese researchers working in Harvard and some getting arrested at Logan Airport while flying back to China (Or fleeing LOL).

    There may be some back ground behind the collusion of China and US. Black Stone, Rockefeller real Estate, Carlyle Group, Old Henry K, Secretary Paulson, China as most favorite nation in 80s and 90s. US technology transfer..

    Remember. There is a Government and there are Governments

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @迪路
  155. @Ron Unz

    The issue with HCQ is that it was universally banned in the so-called Western liberal democracies. Early on, the French government ordered Nobel Laureate Luc Montagnier to stop his treatment with HCQ and zinc. Montagnier used the treatment successfully in 2003 against SARS, and reported that it was working very well this time.
    As with Ivermectin, banning potential treatments for treating an a `new`disease presenting with similar symptoms as other diseases is the opposite of what had been done previously.

    • Agree: IreneAthena
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  156. geokat62 says:
    @cohen

    Chinese are very prompt in responding such high stake accusations.

    Ron has assured us that members of the CCP were too busy putting out covid fires to reassure their people and the world they had nothing to do with the dissemination of all those phoney videos, in which many people we dropping dead like flies in the streets of Wuhan.

    Based on the analysis contained in the attached article, the phoney videos were only part 1 of a three-part psychological operation, or psyop:

    Part One – flood the internet with a barrage of fake video clips that were supposedly coming out of China, depicting ghastly “Coronavirus” scenes.

    Part Two – just as the dramatic COVID videos were starting to taper off, issue a bombshell report from the Imperial College in London that all but validated the slew of China horror clips that we’d been watching for months.

    Part Three – flood the media with reporting from Northern Italy, depicting their medical system collapsing under the weight of all the sick people.

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/02/how-phony-coronavirus-fear-videos-were-used-as-psychological-weapons-to-bring-america-to-her-knees/

    I much prefer the “working theory” of the author of this article to that of Ron’s…

    My theory would go something like this:

    Some entity, perhaps associated with the Chinese government, weaponized a cache of carefully edited “video clips” and used them as phase one of an intricate “gorilla-type” propaganda war designed to scare the American people into surrendering their lives and livelihoods in an effort to collapse the world’s greatest economy, oust a popular America First President, and reset the globalist agenda.

  157. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    I much prefer the “working theory” of the author of this article to that of Ron’s…

    Hmmm… So his argument seems to be that the Dastardly ChiComs:

    (1) Have control over all the anti-China Tweeters and anti-China websites who were the ones distributing and promoting those stupid anti-China videos, including the Alex Jones people.

    (2) Have control over the researchers at Imperial College London who produced the scientific Covid projections you strongly criticize.

    (3) Have control over the American media, persuading them produce a flood of scary Covid stories about Northern Italy.

    He forgot to mention that the ChiComs also control Hollywood and our entirely entertainment industry, plus both Donald Trump and Joe Biden.

    It’s important to recognize that different countries have different strengths and weaknesses. America is extremely strong in media and propaganda, which dominates most of the world. Meanwhile, China is very weak in media and propaganda, as you can easily see from the quality of the pro-China propaganda-activists on these threads. The notion of China easily defeating America using a secret propaganda-strategy is as ridiculous as the Ukrainian army invading and conquering Russia.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sean
    , @Wizard of Oz
  158. @skrik

    Excellent summary. Is it too late to join the powers that be? I’m impressed by their unsentimental audacity.

    • Replies: @JohnnyGodYilmaz
  159. @Ron Unz

    You’re saying that in late 2018 he somehow got such a hot tip convincing him that the Wuhan lab had secretly created Covid and was going to accidentally leak it a full year later

    Speaking of desperate, you have attributed to me a speculation that I did not advance. I didn’t even come close to proposing that. I merely suggested the motivation for his report could have been the (public!) knowledge of the sort of covid-manipulating research the Wuhan lab was conducting. They published covid gain of function research for God’s sake! This knowledge alone is plausible enough motivation for the report you deem so suspicious. I’m not saying you’re wrong. What I object to is your speculation being passed off as a superior brand of speculation, more fact based even, when it isn’t even close to that.

  160. Yee says:

    cohen,

    There were no comments from the Chinese Govt (to my knowledge). Chinese are very prompt in responding such high stake accusations.

    You’d have to make it on the BBC for the Chinese government to respond, some anti-China websites won’t do. They probably make 10 fake videos about China everyday, why should they merit a response ?

  161. @cortesar

    From today’s SCMP:

    Zero Covid still less costly than living with it, China’s top expert Zhong Nanshan says

    Opening up then reimposing restrictions when infections occur, as favoured in some countries, is more costly, he tells state media

    There have been questions over how long China should maintain its policy, with most of its people vaccinated and sporadic outbreaks difficult to prevent.

    China’s top respiratory diseases expert has defended the country’s zero-Covid strategy against scrutiny from some public health experts, saying it was still less costly than living with the disease and reintroducing restrictions each time outbreaks occurred.

    The country had no option but to aim for zero infections because the coronavirus was replicating quickly and the global death rate of about 2 per cent was unacceptable, Zhong Nanshan said in an interview with CGTN, China’s state-owned international media arm, published late on Monday.

    “Some countries have decided to open up entirely despite still having a few infections,” Zhong said. “That led to a large number of infections in the past two months and they decided to reimpose restrictions. This flip-flopping approach is actually more costly. The psychological impact on citizens and society is greater.”

  162. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hmmm… So his argument seems to be that the Dastardly ChiComs:

    This is how he prefaced his “working theory”:

    Some entity, perhaps associated with the Chinese government..

    He wrote “perhaps.”

    Why latch on to this minor qualification? Why not address the core of his “working theory”:

    Some entity… weaponized a cache of carefully edited “video clips” and used them as phase one of an intricate “gorilla-type” propaganda war designed to scare the American people into surrendering their lives and livelihoods in an effort to collapse the world’s greatest economy, oust a popular America First President, and reset the globalist agenda.

    Some entity? Why, in your mind, must that entity be a small number of “rogue neocons,” when it could just as easily be the Mossad?

    Why won’t you go there, when you were willing to do so for so many other crimes against humanity?

  163. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    I am curious why this putative anti China clique in the US Deep State would look on with equanimity on the prospect of Trump being out the White House. Why would Pompeo and Bolton not steal the election for him, as they could have had they been capable of a bioweapon attack on China. Or, they could at least have waited until the election was over before using the bioweapon. Trump is not an anti China force? That is news to China who were targeting his key states for economic sanctions.

    In my view this pandemic is most easily understood as culpable scientific negligence, bioerror by a clique of researchers and cover up mystification by the scientific community who hated Trump even more than the MSM, and think international scientific cooperation such as the hundreds of millions of dollars given by the US department of Defence to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to do work on, ahem, pandemic prevention’ was a sterling example of international cooperation. What the world needs more of. So of course the scientific community are not going to admit to the masses that scientists (especially ons in China) caused the pandemic by mistake

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  164. Jim123 says:
    @Ron Unz

    This is accurate data according to CDC/Wonder, without doubt, at least as reported by CDC for:
    2014: 2,626,418
    2015: 2,712,630
    2016: 2,744,248

    The CDC Wonder data bank shows [see below] complete and final data through 2016.
    Column #3 is “best” estimate of USA population for the year indicated in first column; second column, yearly deaths.

    Column #4 is the public health-defined “Crude Rate” of deaths per 100,000, calculated by deaths for that year divided by total that year.

    [MORE]

    Column #5 is age-adjusted death rate, an indicator that also captures life expectancy information [and indicator, one would say, measuring how well our elderly are cared for, including how well organized medicine is doing in this regard] — the “age-adjusted death rates” differ from the crude rate, which strictly based on the counts.

    1999 2,391,399 279,040,168 857.0 875.6
    2000 2,403,351 281,421,906 854.0 869.0
    2001 2,416,425 284,968,955 848.0 858.8
    2002 2,443,387 287,625,193 849.5 855.9
    2003 2,448,288 290,107,933 843.9 843.5
    2004 2,397,615 292,805,298 818.8 813.7
    2005 2,448,017 295,516,599 828.4 815.0
    2006 2,426,264 298,379,912 813.1 791.8
    2007 2,423,712 301,231,207 804.6 775.3
    2008 2,471,984 304,093,966 812.9 774.9
    2009 2,437,163 306,771,529 794.5 749.6
    2010 2,468,435 308,745,538 799.5 747.0
    2011 2,515,458 311,591,917 807.3 741.3
    2012 2,543,279 313,914,040 810.2 732.8
    2013 2,596,993 316,128,839 821.5 731.9
    2014 2,626,418 318,857,056 823.7 724.7
    2015 2,712,630 321,418,820 844.0 733.1
    2016 2,744,248 323,127,513 849.3 728.8

    The 2017 — 2019 mortality data:
    2017: 2,813,503
    2018: 2,839,205
    2019: 2,854,838
    though not yet added to CDC / Wonder data bank, are the “final” counts CDC is provisionally using and will remain so until they are added to this data bank, though these will likely be right at or quite close to what they are reported, once in this data bank.

    To these three years, there is also “final” data on the key indicator, “age-adjusted death rates”, indicating some slippage from that continuation of historical decline, from the reported 1999 rate of 875.6 deaths per 100,000, adjusted by age, to 2016, of 728.8 — as follows, slippage in 2017:

    2017: 2,813,503 deaths; 731.9 [age-adjusted death rate per 100K]

    However, in 2018 the decline continued
    2018: 2,839,205; 723.6

    And reached historical low of 715.2 deaths in USA, adjusted for age:
    2019: 2,854,838; 715.2

    Age-adjusted mortality reached its lowest level in 2019, at 715.2 per 100K.

    This rate, in 2020, increased to 828.7 — the highest rate since 2003, when age-adjusted deaths were 843.5, [then dropping to 813.7 in 2004].

    The 2020 age-adjusted mortality rate, estimated at 828.7, according to

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

    Which says: [[[In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States (Table). The age-adjusted rate was 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population, an increase of 15.9% from 715.2 in 2019. The highest overall numbers of deaths occurred during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, (78,917) and December 26, 2020 (80,656) (Figure 1). Death rates were lowest among persons aged 5–14 years (13.6) and highest among persons aged ≥85 years (15,007.4); age-adjusted death rates were higher among males (990.5) than among females (689.2).]]]

    Stratifying by sex, women, at 689.2 in 2020, were less than the overall rate of 715.2 recorded in 2019, the lowest on record.

    To sum up, lowest age-adjusted death rate ever recorded, in 2019, followed in 2020 by highest rate since 2003.

    This CDC paper includes deaths for all causes; and deaths with COVID-19, by age group; all deaths in column #2; deaths with COVID-19 column #3, in 2020 [the April 9, 2021 paper titled “Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020”]:

    1–4 3,469 24
    5–14 5,556 67
    15–24 35,470 587
    25–34 72,678 2,527
    35–44 103,389 6,617
    45–54 189,397 17,905
    55–64 436,886 44,631
    65–74 669,316 80,617
    75–84 816,307 104,212
    ≥85 1,007,114 120,648

    All Deaths [mortality] data published by CDC, in “Data Brief 395: Mortality in the United States, 2019” show the 2018 and 2019 deaths by age category in column #1, column #2 is 2018 deaths; #3 are 2019 death counts, as follows:

    1–4 3,830 3,676
    5–14 5,450 5,497
    15–24 30,154 29,771
    25–34 58,844 59,178
    35–44 80,380 82,986
    45–54 164,837 160,393
    55–64 374,836 374,937
    65–74 543,778 555,559
    75–84 675,205 688,027
    85 + 880,280 873,746

    [This full data set at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db395-tables-508.pdf#4 ]

    From the 2019 and 2020 [estimated] mortality data, that in 2020 includes all deaths — and deaths with COVID-19: comparison of death counts by age group, for the two years, without including the deaths with COVID-19, captures changes in deaths [stratifying by age, percentage change can glean magnitude of the disease, and/or, rather, year-to-year difference in mortality outcomes, as an indicator of how well, or not, organized medicine in USA did in 2020 compared to 2019; in other words: a straight comparison by age group of mortality in 2020 versus 2019, without including the COVID-19 deaths can indicate how well, or not, organized medicine and public health bureaucracy did, by age group in 2020, compared to 2019].

    In ages 85 and older, there was 1.5% more deaths in 2020 than in 2019, —when COVID-19 deaths are not included. In other words, deaths increased even when the disease is not counted, by 1.5% in those 85+.

    Calculated as follows: 1,007,114 estimated total deaths, 85+, subtract estimated 120,648 deaths with COVID-19 equals 886,466 deaths in 2020 not related to the disease.

    The 2019 mortality in 85+ equals 873,746.

    886,466/873,746 = 1.0146.

    To obtain percentage increase, subtract by 1.0 then multiply by 100.
    1.0146 – 1 = 0.0146*100 = 1.46 or 1.5% rounding to one decimal place.

    This means 1.5% additional deaths, in 2020 compared to 2019, without COVID-19 deaths.

    From 2018 to 2019, deaths of 85+ age group declined by 6,534, or: 0.74%, from 880,280 deaths to 873,746.

    For the youngest age groups, there were declines; all the others: increased death counts, calculated as follows:

    1-4 -6.3%
    5-14 -0.15%
    15-24 +17.2%
    25-34 +18.5%
    35-44 +16.6%
    45-54 +6.9%
    55-64 +4.6%
    65-74 +6.0%
    75-84 +3.5%
    85+ +1.5%

    What can be concluded from the above?

    More on point: why, among those in “prime of life”, ages 15 to 44 years, are there double-digit percentage increases in mortality, in 2020, compared to 2019.

    The data shows unprecedented spike in deaths, and points to aspect of this pandemic requiring explanation from organized medicine and the public health system in USA.

    When COVID-19-related deaths are not included, there was spike in mortality of 17.2% for ages 15-24; spike of 18.5% for 25-34; and 16.6% ages 35-44.

    From 2018 to 2019, there was decrease of 1.27% in deaths for age group 15-24 [30,154 to 29,771]; increase of 0.57% age group 25-34 [58,844 to 59,178]; and 3.24% increase 35-44 age category [80,380 to 82,986].

    For 45-54 year olds, the year to year decrease in total deaths from 2018 to 2019, of 164,837 to 160,393 is a 2.7% decline — compared to 6.9% mortality increase from 2019 to 2020 when COVID-19 deaths are not factored in.

    The fact there were actually less deaths overall in 2020 compared to 2019 for those ages 1 to 14 begs the question of why covid shots are now being recommended for those 5-14 of which less deaths in 2020 than 2019. What is the medical and public health explanation for this?

    Also, link below is to chart showing age adjusted death rates and life expectancy since 1900, titled, “Mortality Trends in the United States, 1900–2018”.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data-visualization/mortality-trends/index.htm

    This page has much interesting data on the issue.

    The overall decline in age-adjusted death rates [2,542 per 100,000 population] and increase in life expectancy from 39.1 years old, since 1918, indicates progress.

    And with more than a century of data, these place in perspective 2020, in terms of gauging a lot of things we have seen and continue to see happening, related to organized medicine, public health bureaucracy, and . . . .

    For me — given that the proportionate increase in deaths in 2020, compared to 2019 — does the data represent
    1] a failure, and if so, what is the nature of that failure and its magnitude?
    2] a minor thing representing barely a blip “on the radar screen” as it were?
    3] some combination of 1 and 2, even if on face of it that may appear illogical?
    4] something else, [in other word, are 1, 2 and 3, though part of equation — is something big, or something not so big, missing from this equation, of great or of minor import]?

    Briefly a provisional and at this time incomplete answer to 1 is: yes, this is a failure, it is of great magnitude, especially given a] the spike in deaths in 2020 compared to 2019; b] the spike in age-adjusted mortality in 2020 compared to 2019; and the spike in deaths in those 15 years and older, when covid-related deaths are not even counted.

    Provisional and incomplete response to 2. . . historical data for past century indicates this is barely a blip on the radar screen.

    And so, 3 . . . .IF 1 and 2 are true, or more or less so. . . .THEN, in 4, what, if anything, great or not so great or of minor impact, is missing from this equation, this discourse, if anything?

    The Origins of COVID?

    This is missing, the elephant in the room, but missing from our public discourse, in terms of getting at the facts of it all

    And while naming the prime things of what’s missing, there is: who is Person Zero, and how many person Zeros are or were actually “out there,” somewhere, the original incubators?

    And, how did person Zero, or the persons Zeros, how did they actually contract disease in the first place? This at least as important who is/are the Mr. Zero[s] — and missing from equation.

    After nearly two years, still no definitive answers on the biggest things missing in equation: Who is Mr. ZERO and how did he catch it to begin with?

    In January and February and March 2020, this was talked about and discussed all over the place and all of a sudden interest in it more or less vanished into thin air. At least, it vanished in Big Media, Big Tech and Big Government circles.

    Was person or Mr. ZERO an actual carrier of the disease or was Mr. ZERO, as this essay alludes to: carrying the disease in his or her pocket as it were, in some sort of ‘vial’ or whatever, with aim of spreading the disease? and how many of these types of Mr. ZEROs are there? and. . . are there still Mr. ZEROs carrying this in their pockets, as it were?

    -30-

  165. Isn’t Fauci part of intelligence?

  166. @Sean

    ‘….putative anti-Chinese clique in the US Deep State..’.When telling a lie, tell a Big Lie, eh Adolph.The ENTIRE US ruling elite is viscerally Sinophobic, and genocidaly so, as are you.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Sean
  167. @Godfree Roberts

    Whatever the reason one can confidently expect Chinese policy to be sane and rational, not an exercise in political point-scoring and Divide and Rule tactics, as in the Western dystopias.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  168. some_loon says:
    @Herd Stupidity

    Using Russian search engine Yandex, Ron’s articles are at or near the top of the list using a variety of key search words.

    Makes one wonder if American search engines are carefully controlled by U.S. intelligence agencies?

    Could Yandex be influenced by a different set of agencies?

    That Google, etc. could be persuaded to do as, say, a NSA manager asks is obvious enough. It should also be asked if Yandex might be similarly influenced.

    Do we always have to ascribe the very worst to moose and squirrel alone? Might Boris and Natasha also be playing the game, on the other team? Or is this sort of thing exclusive to neocons and neolibs?

    Even more concerning is if the same players want, and can engineer, different results on different search engines, for reasons you might be able to imagine.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  169. @geokat62

    Wuhan as eleven million people. People collapse and die in the street every day in cities that large. The hysteria was in the West, not China. Terminal patients, alas, often lapse into hysteria. As with individuals so with societies and the denizens within.

  170. some_loon says:

    Reading too much into what professional manipulators and ass-coverers say is either a mistake or too convenient, I think. So what that 17 ‘intelligence agencies’ say something? Their info might not be any better than ours, even if Ron’s thesis is correct. And looking for the truths in something never meant to be truthful is foolish.

  171. @Ron Unz

    The same CDC who quietly admitted in August 2020 that only 6% of these deaths were real COVID deaths.

  172. October 20, 2021
    Statement on Misinformation about SARS-CoV-2 Origins

    To date, the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic has not been identified, despite intensive efforts to do so. This is not unusual — confirming with 100% certainty the origin of a virus is a long and complicated process. It took 14 years for scientists to find a single bat population that contained all the necessary genetic components of SARS-CoV, the virus that caused the 2003 SARS epidemic. We still do not know the origins of the 2014 Ebola outbreak.

    Unfortunately, in the absence of a definitive answer, misinformation and disinformation are filling the void, which does more harm than good. NIH wants to set the record straight on NIH-supported research to understand naturally occurring bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded through a subaward from NIH grantee EcoHealth Alliance. Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic. Any claims to the contrary are demonstrably false.

    The scientific evidence to date indicates that the virus is likely the result of viral evolution in nature, potentially jumping directly to humans or through an unidentified intermediary animal host. Historically, many viruses have emerged from animals to cause epidemics and pandemics, including influenza, Ebola, Zika, West Nile fever, SARS, and more. Importantly, after an intensive investigation, agencies in the U.S Intelligence Community agreed that the virus was not developed as a biological weapon and most agencies assessed that SARS-CoV-2 most likely was not genetically engineered.

    Public health and scientific organizations, including NIH, are intensely interested in getting a definitive answer to inform efforts to prevent future events. This effort would benefit from less speculation and more scientific cooperation, especially from China, without which the SARS-CoV-2 origins will be impossible to identify.

    Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
    Director, National Institutes of Health

    https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/statement-misinformation-about-sars-cov-2-origins

    https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus-bat-research

    • LOL: Sean
  173. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    So why did the Wuhan Institute of Virology get \$200milllion from the US Department of Defence?

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  174. Sean says:
    @last straw

    Francis Collins, M.D., Ph.D., director of the US National Institutes of Health said, “The Coronavirus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak.”

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  175. Tdstype2 says:
    @Vox Australis

    Its an Australian virus that attack the brain, lol

  176. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    Since the late 1990s, Kadlec had been one of America’s leading advocates of biowarfare.

    Presumably he advocated inflicting damage on the enemy without causing a global pandemic. And against which country was this biowarfare to be? America gave China recognition and World Bank membership (access to capital so it could grow). Carter issued an order that all US officials were to facilitate doing business with China .Then, in 2001, the United States orchestrated China’s accession to the World Trade Organization. For half a century China has been the most important strategic ally of the US against Russia, which is the threat that the US Deep State have always been focused on.

    Some people such as the former Ait Force Brigadier at the National Security Council Rob Spaulding, saw China as a danger to be focused on, but he is an outlier and was quickly neutralized in his advocacy. He was asked to leave the NSC, and though he authored a book Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept he has basically been excluded from the Deep State.

    From January to August 2019, Kadlec ran the large scale “Crimson Contagion” exercise, in which state and federal officials worked together to plan how to best protect America against the spread of a new hypothetical dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease which suddenly appeared in China. And by the most astonishing coincidence, two months after the exercise ended, exactly that sort of dangerous and highly-contagious respiratory disease did suddenly appear in China.

    Meanwhile in Central China, by 2019 the Wuhan Institute of Virology had an open access database of all the tens of thousands of samples of viruses it had collected a thousand miles away in Southern China. In September the 12th 2019, just before the pandemic began (in Wuhan of all places) that WIV database cased to be accessible by anyone but the WIV itself.

  177. @last straw

    That gibberish, half true (the first half) simply indicates that the ‘can of worms’ that they were so afraid of opening, is full of Fort Detrick and University of North Carolina critters.

    • Disagree: Sean
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  178. @Curmudgeon

    Banning effective, very safe, well-known and cheap re-purposed medications as millions are dying is GENOCIDE. Nothing new for business thugs and their stooges.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  179. @Sean

    Sean, you have NO idea what research is being undertaken at the WIV. And you wouldn’t understand it if you saw it. But you typically sneer, in your familiar contemptuous and racist manner, at Chinese scientists. Odious as ever.

    • Replies: @Sean
  180. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You don’t credit the Chinese with enough intelligence. What’s irrational about divide and rule? You can be sure that anyone getting to the top in China knows a bit about how that works.

  181. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Gibberish? But you understand some of it you say so please explain, with reasons and evidence, what is untrue in the second half.

  182. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You may be better informed if I pass on to you what our last Chief Scientist – with absolutely no axe to grind, and an impeccable reputation – wrote to me yesterday

    The other Dr Finkel has been active, too.

    First, a set of five evidence based articles about vaccine hesitancy: A letter to my vaccine-hesitant friends.

    Second, a story about an Australian-led GM food project that is helping to feed Nigerians.

    And third, an article on rampant fraud in ivermectin and Covid studies.

    The first and third of those articles by his scientist wife are

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/a-letter-to-my-vaccine-hesitant-friends/?amp=1

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/data-detectives-ivermectin-studies/?amp=1

    • Replies: @durd
    , @Olivier1973
  183. @Ron Unz

    I have probably wasted this on Mungo Muddlebrain but it won’t be wasted on you, even if you are not particularly interested in the largely phony reports of HCQ and Ivermectin being potent lifesavers. So, I repeat…..

    You may be better informed if I pass on to you what our last Chief Scientist – with absolutely no axe to grind, and an impeccable reputation – wrote to me yesterday

    The other Dr Finkel has been active, too.

    First, a set of five evidence based articles about vaccine hesitancy: A letter to my vaccine-hesitant friends.

    Second, a story about an Australian-led GM food project that is helping to feed Nigerians.

    And third, an article on rampant fraud in ivermectin and Covid studies.

    The first and third of those articles by his scientist wife are

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/a-letter-to-my-vaccine-hesitant-friends/?amp=1

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/data-detectives-ivermectin-studies/?amp=1

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  184. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Do you understand that, if so you are cleverer than me (with a few beers as I am now). However Dr Shi omitted to describe the furin cleavage site in her otherwise detailed paper last year on the genome of the Covod-19 pathogen, Moreover, eight of the viruses her Wuhan institute database disappeared from that database and another had its name changed. On September the 12th 2019, just before the pandemic began. the perviously open accessed Wuhan Institute of Virology database cased to be accessible by anyone but the WIV itself. Curiously, the database that was supposed to be for open access of information about pandemics was removed from shortly BEFORE an actual pandemic began. The Wuhan Institute of Virology did not merely collect viruses from 1000 miles away in southern China (including eight closely closely related to the Covid -19 pathogen which they wiped off the database) they created chimeras used virologic techniques to ‘passage’ them through lab-made cell lines n(including human cell lines and human human-moue chimeras), synthesized their DNA and and inserted new DNA into them

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  185. Ron Unz says:
    @some_loon

    Could Yandex be influenced by a different set of agencies?

    That Google, etc. could be persuaded to do as, say, a NSA manager asks is obvious enough. It should also be asked if Yandex might be similarly influenced.

    That’s certainly possible. But in the particular case I cited, my article had spent ten years generally ranked #2 out of over 200 million Google results before it suddenly disappeared. And it’s still ranked roughly that high under Bing and Yandex:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/being-totally-disappeared-by-google/

    That strongly suggests that while the ranking has been purged by Google, the results of Bing, Yandex, and other search engines are still fully “organic.”

  186. @idrankwhat

    Excellent summary. Is it too late to join the powers that be? I’m impressed by their unsentimental audacity.

    If you have fifty or a hundred billion dollars it’s never too late. How you get that money makes no difference. Your personal background, the lies you tell, the whores you frequent, the crimes you commit are of no matter. Holding that money and a contempt for those with less fully qualifies you.
    Welcome!

  187. @last straw

    “This effort would benefit from less speculation and more cooperation, ESPECIALLY FROM CHINA, without which the origins of SARS-CoV-2 origins will be impossible to identify”. Talk about UNDERSTATEMENT!!! Come clean Dr Shi Li-Zheng, but we know you won’t. You’re busted, China.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  188. @Bombercommand

    Look, racist, you need to get out more. China co-operated, but they are not inclined to jump when Western racist bigots, like yourself, issue orders. It’s not 1839 anymore BC. Get used to it. When will Fort Detrick and the University of North Carolina be investigated?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  189. @Sean

    So where do you get your information? Not Sharri Markson on SkyNews by any chance. Or is it Breitbart, or Zero Hedge or some other Sinophobe sewer. Assertions without substance that later turn out to be lies (Saddam’s WMD, anybody?)are the stock-in-trade of Yankee Doodle hate-mongers, of which odious tribe you are a pathetic example.

    • Replies: @Sean
  190. @Wizard of Oz

    Gosh, Wizard of Oz has joined up as a BigPharma troll. You on a retainer are you, Wiz? A predictable development. The insanely vicious hate campaign against ivermectin has BigPharma’s paw-prints all over it. Truly eminent clinicians like the FLCCC group, and world respected meta-analysts like Tess Lawrie attest to ivermectin’s efficacy as a treatment (not a ‘cure’ you buffoon)that greatly reduces hospitalisation and death.
    On the other side you have the BBC shit-heap, a few amateur sleuths whose ‘letter’ has been thoroughly dismissed by real experts, and cheap and nassty trolls. Meanwhile the ‘effective’ and ‘safe’ ‘vaccines’ wear off entirely after seven months, begin to fail almost immediately and have caused more vaccine related adverse events in the USA than ALL previous vaccines combined. ‘Boosters’ every six months with experimental gene therapies are coming. Promise me that you’ll be first in line Wiz.
    And at the same time the vaccinated are at least as likely to spread CoViD19 as the unvaccinated, which fact the medical Mafiosi and the trolls still lie about, and the supposed benefit of less serious illness is being questioned from clinical experience, and is more or less certain to be reversed as time, in months, progresses. Moreover the vaccinated appear to be much less protected than those who caught CoViD and recovered (ie 99% or so under 60 in good health), the vaccines interfere with immune responses to later exposures, and your fellow ghouls are now after five year olds, whose risk of illness, if with no co-morbidities, is more or less zero, and who would have long lasting and more powerful immunity after CoViD infection than after the vaccines, which long-term effects, one BigPharma stooge in the US ‘health’ establishment admitted, will only be known AFTER we inject all the kiddies. Obviously beagle puppies are too expensive.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  191. durd says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Cosmos magazine’s foundation partner is the Australian Government.

    That’s about the best place to go to find a negative view for ivermectin.

    Good Job.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  192. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Dr Shi Li-Zheng has to come clean, but she won’t. China did not co-operate, it covered up.

    • Troll: d dan, Mulga Mumblebrain
  193. JamesinNM says:

    Review Dr David E Martin’s research on patents related to Covid and the vaccines. U.S. is responsible with help from Canada, China, and others.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
  194. @Sean

    Easy. So that Wuhan and China could be accused of spreading a virus made by the dod.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Napoleon Wilson
  195. @Sean

    The Coronavirus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak.

    Where is the evidence?

    Nowhere. Propaganda. Stupid people believe stupid things. Thanks to the PRRA insertion, this NEW virus had no chance to remain hidden. Except that in the USA it was classified as flu as long as it has not been detected and analysed in China.

    • Replies: @Sean
  196. doi:10.3390/v13010109

    In short, given the seemingly sudden appearance of the additional furin cleavage site that cannot be readily explained by a hypothesis of natural origin, and the fact that virologists have already experimented with adding a furin cleavage site at this specific location and learned the consequence of enhanced viral infectivity and cell-cell fusion, the claim that the polybasic furin cleavage site in SARS-2-S has been experimentally inserted is not too far-fetched. However, the global collaboration among scientists, in general, and virologists, in particular, has created scientific communities that are far more closely knit than before. While it is possible to create a viral pathogen, it is extremely unlikely for a laboratory to create SARS-CoV-2 without being noticed.

    Except if it is created in a military lab in the USA like Fort Detrick and is covered by national security secret.

    You will notice that this article claims conspiracy theory and at the same time gives all the details on how this virus was created.

    Chinese are sometimes so naive. Except if it is on purpose, of course.

  197. Daemon says:
    @Andreas

    It makes sense if you realize COVID-19 was not the first bioweapon attack but rather the most recent in a long line of attempts dating back to the korean war. None of these spread globally so the powers that be got complacent and did it again, not realizing the consequences of it this time around.

  198. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology was publishing papers, it is possibleto reconstruct what pathogen they had. The eight viruses that they suddenly decided to hide ever having were, it turns out, collected in 2015 from the bat infested disused mineshaft in Yunnan that three workers caught a mysterious disease while clearing the mine in 2012. They died of it.

    Also in 2015, there was a joint project in which Professor Ralph Baric of the University of North Carolina and the famous Dr Shi of the WIV (basically Baric was showing Shi how to do this) inserted a furin cleavage site into the bat derived coronavirus MERS which had only been discovered a few years before, and was known to kill a third of the people it infected. This was done in a way that removed all the evidence it was an artificial insertion.

    Nature. Published: 12 November 2015
    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research
    Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @skrik
  199. @Sean

    MERS is only ‘derived’ from bats in conjecture, in the past. The principle reservoir was dromedary camels. As for the rest, why not place blame with Baric, an associate of Fort Detrick, who had all the bat viruses that Wuhan had, because of China’s foolish decision to conduct research with such treacherous swine as the USA. And who ‘reconstructed’ what viruses the WIV had? The CIA, or did they outsource it to Breitbart or Fox News?

    • Replies: @Sean
  200. @durd

    Cosmos magazine’s foundation partner is the Australian Government.

    That’s about the best place to go to find a negative view for ivermectin.

    As I knew the truth I Googled

    “Who founded Cosmos magazine” to see if you had any excuse. You haven’t. See the top search result

    Alan Finkel
    The magazine was established in November 2004 by the Melbourne-based neuroscientist and entrepreneur Alan Finkel, Sydney magazine publishing executive Kylie Ahern and science journalists Wilson da Silva and Elizabeth Finkel.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
    Cosmos (Australian magazine) – Wikipedia

    It is now published, as you could have learned easily, by a non-profit, the Royal Institution of Australia.

    So are you a liar or just very careless and stupid. Charitably, I guess the latter because your suggestion that the Australian government had a motive to downplay the effectiveness of Ivermectin is ridiculous. Its interest would be in reducing health care costs. “Big Pharma” doesn’t buy politicians in Australia it can at least hope to do in the US.

    • Replies: @durd
  201. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I have no knowledge of the science or scientific facts or research which might have a bearing on Ivermectin’s or HCQ’s utility but, if you claim to do so, you might usefully provide a detailed answer to an honest summary of Ella Finkel’s article which you apparently disagree with.

    Dr Elizabeth Finkel is a seriously qualified scientist with a PhD from UC San Francisco. And there really are some good genes for intellect in the family. Their son was a Rhodes Scholar. And they don’t need the money even if anyone tried to buy them because they misjudged their characters.

  202. @Ron Unz

    This seems to be a good enough place to mention the podcast (with irritating ads) that you can get by Googling “Tim Harford [who is a well respected English economist] podcasts” and choosing “The Mummy’s Curse”.

    I wouldn’t insult you by suggesting that you need his explanation of why all the amazing stories of the Mummy’s Curse should be treated with great suspicion or disregarded but you do make so many emphatic references to coincidences that I fear its effect on the simpler folk flicking to UR threads. I commend Harford’s contribution as a prophylactic.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  203. some_loon says:
    @Ron Unz

    That strongly suggests that while the ranking has been purged by Google, the results of Bing, Yandex, and other search engines are still fully “organic.”

    So far as Bing goes, there seems no reason why they would be more resistant to requests to suppress search results. Bing may only have 5% or so of search (7% to 8% if Yahoo’s Search is included), but that is still a lot of traffic. Bing seems not to suppress results on controversial topics, or at least does so less.

    I suspect that Google’s suppression of unapproved content, such as yours, comes much more from within the organization than from any outside influence. It might also come more from the bottom of the organization than from the top. Google is big enough to stand up to outside pressure, and if there is a government or political operative making requests I would think compliance is more from a personal relationship that has been cultivated than any sort of ‘offer you can’t refuse’ being made.

    I think differences in the political culture between the SF Bay Area and Seattle/Eastside would also play some role here. Seattle has made a strong leftward lurch since the 90s, but is not really like California politically, despite some superficial resemblance (consider recent election results in and near Seattle).

    Or maybe Bing is left alone because someone wants an unbowdlerized search for themselves.

  204. @rufus clyde

    “There is no more surplus value to be had in an era in which labour power is kicked out of the system and cannot be reabsorbed.”

    Labour power?

    “A barrel of conventional crude oil contains the equivalent of roughly 4.5 years of continuous human labour; or around 11 years at 35 hours per week, 48 weeks of the year.  But the capitalist doesn’t pay for the value of the fuel, merely the cost of extracting it.  For a mere £49 (at pre-pandemic prices) the capitalist purchases £330,000 worth of work (at the current UK median wage).  It is the exploitation of fossil fuels rather than the exploitation of labour which generates the vast majority of the surplus value in an industrial economy. . . .
    {As Nicole Foss once put it – if conventional oil was like drinking draught beer from a glass, fracking was the equivalent of sucking the spilled dregs from the carpet.}”

    [MORE]

    https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2020/05/26/two-money-tricks/?fbclid=IwAR1rOz0jexO2dIIldSlseh-8-EqES4oYZcBTvHMtW-JyBgMHB6xgfOOsbBI

    ‘We’ have 16 years?

    ‘Global peak oil production may have already happened in October of 2018 (https://energyskeptic.com/2020/will-covid-19-delay-peak-oil/ Table 1). It is likely the decline rate will be 6%, increasing exponentially by +0.015% a year (see post “Giant oil field decline rates and peak oil”). So, after 16 years remaining oil production will be just 10% of what it was at the peak.’
    http://energyskeptic.com/2020/climate-change-dominates-news-coverage-at-expense-of-more-important-existential-issues/

    Or,
    ‘We’ have ten years?
    “ . . . our best estimate is that the net energy
    33:33 per barrel available for the global
    33:36 economy was about eight percent
    33:38 and that in over the next few years it
    33:42 will go down to zero percent
    33:44 uh best estimate at the moment is that
    33:46 actually the
    33:47 per average barrel of sweet crude
    33:51 uh we had the zero percent around 2022
    33:56 but there are ways and means of
    33:58 extending that so to be on the safe side
    34:00 here on our diagram
    34:02 we say that zero percent is definitely
    34:05 around 2030 . . .
    we
    34:43 need net energy from oil and [if] it goes
    34:46 down to zero
    34:48 uh well we have collapsed not just
    34:50 collapse of the oil industry
    34:52 we have collapsed globally of the global
    34:54 industrial civilization this is what we
    34:56 are looking at at the moment . . . “

  205. Covid-19 is very contagious?

    “The Washington Post reported that 5 million people left Wuhan between January 10 (the start of the Chinese New Year travel rush) and the lockdown.[1] . . .
    Already we have very strong evidence that Covid-19 was deliberately spread. The disease was observed to spread rapidly throughout Wuhan indicating it was very contagious, yet millions left Wuhan for the new-year celebrations in their ancestral towns, and barely spread the disease, indicating it is hardly contagious at all. Then it suddenly becomes very contagious in Iran, and Italy.” ??http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184&sid=ffcd77e902b4bcb97131e5472ed2bf12

  206. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    No. In 2018 US Department of Defense refused to give a \$14 million grant to Peter “Maniac” Daszack and Bat Lady Shi so they could engineer novel cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses

    In 2015 there had been international scientific uproar when Dr Shi of the WIV inserted a furin cleavage site into the bat derived coronavirus MERS that was not very transmissible between humans, but killed a third of those it did infected. So courtesy of the US DoD, the Chinese had took an incredibly dangerous respiratory virus and inserted the cleavage site to it make extremely human–human transmissible as well as deadly. China had what it needed to hit back at the US and repay them a hundredfold. You think the US would attack China knowing they had that?

    What this was going on with Shi (and Baric who tutored her in the requisite techniques) is scientists exhibiting the very human characteristic of joy in a difficult-to learn accomplishment and just doing it for its own sake. What Karl Bühler called Funktionslust. Why didn’t Baric just take up golf?

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  207. Yee says:

    Daemon,

    It makes sense if you realize COVID-19 was not the first bioweapon attack but rather the most recent in a long line of attempts dating back to the korean war. None of these spread globally

    Yes, especially SARS(China) and MERS(Middleast), both were coronavirus but didn’t spread far.

    SARS was suspected to be a bio-attack because of the timing. It started 3 months before the Iraq war, probably to throw China into a crisis so no time to interfere with war in ME.

    The COVID-19 is just another one of the many versions on their shelves.

  208. @Lysias

    My point was, more or less, that way back in the olden times, intelligence agencies, indeed much of the Federal government at higher levels, were staffed almost entirely by white males, native English speakers, native-born U.S. citizens, who most likely possessed at minimum a BA or BS from a four-year university. This does not rule out the occasional incompetent or nepotism, but there was a selection process that chose the more successful candidates. Most of this has been dismantled over the past two generations.

    I will reiterate another important point: The best spooks in the world are not God. For all their powers, resources, and wisdom, they are not omnipotent nor omniscient. Of course they have had their failures. How could it be otherwise?

  209. @TKK

    I support animal rescue; the comments about incompetence at such a place hits home.

    On a slightly lighter (?) note, Guns ‘n’ Roses, the popular (mostly) 80s hard rock group, had a lesser known “unplugged” song that ties in well with your comments. It’s worth mentioning that this song actually got some airplay (ca. 1988) even on D.C. station, despite a few offensive words. Somehow I doubt that could happen today. Song is probably on YouTube &c. Here’s lyrics since we are a cultured group and we probably only listen to chamber music or, if we’re feeling frisky, perhaps some jazz. 😁

    https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/gunsnroses/oneinamillion.html

  210. skrik says:

    This was done in a way that removed all the evidence it was an artificial insertion

    Errr, not quite *all*. The FCS contains CGGCGG, codons ‘preferred’ in human genomes, *neither* bat *nor* pangolin.

    For recombination to occur, there must be a donor, from another furin site and probably from another virus. In the absence of a known virus containing this arginine doublet encoded by the CGGCGG codons, the researchers discount the recombination theory as the mechanism underlying the emergence of PRRA in SARS-CoV-2

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210217/The-origin-of-SARS-CoV-2-furin-cleavage-site-remains-a-mystery.aspx

    Now, Ecohealth and WIV were working primarily with bat viruses, with bits of pangolin thrown in. Q: IF they wished to insert an FCS into their ‘conjured chimera’ THEN why ‘reach’ for human-preferred codons? None such could just be found ‘lying around’ in a bat-lab?

    Another quote:

    Surprisingly, the CGGCGG codons encoding the two arginines of the doublet in SARS-CoV-2 are not found in any of the furin sites in other viral proteins expressed by a wide range of viruses

    OK; by now most agree that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab, but which/where/when? You can make yourself a hero if you can ‘crack’ that one.

    Tip: Not only are the CGGs ‘foreign’ to bats, the 12 nucleotide sequence:

    Then one looks at the actual RNA alignment. The “insert” is actually not in frame, but CTCCTCGGCGGG, or -2 out of frame. Again, who does that?

    I have read, that some ‘gene-jockeys’ include a ‘signature’ within their ‘product.’ If you accept the challenge, good luck with your searching!

  211. @PseudoPublisher

    One does not have to have a Doctorate in mathematics to be able to understand basic arithmetic, geometry, or even more complex maths up to multivariate calculus. My point is that no one knows it all. A further point I often make is that even a world-renowned and acknowledged expert, or group of them, still may not know all the answers. And there may indeed be reasons for them to shade the truth, omit information or lie outright.

    For the average man, which I and most of us are, we are placed in a compromised position. We must do the best we can with the information available to us, and use whatever skills and knowledge we have, to make sense of what is occurring. A final point I’d like to make is that it doesn’t require super-human powers to recognize when an entity has a pattern of deceit. In other words, we may not be able to know the truth of a matter, but we can often identify what is certainly or likely false.

    To throw your words back at you: You should indeed trust experts, but only when you have strong grounds to believe they are in fact experts and do not have ulterior motives that may be harmful to your own self-interests. Sadly, in the real world, integrity doesn’t top the list of their virtues.

    • Agree: some_loon
  212. @Wizard of Oz

    Standard praise of our host: I’ve read with interest much of what Unz himself writes and agree with much of it, or at least recognize it for appearing well thought out and argued. I disagree with many of his COVID-19 assertions, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t investigated, and I concede they might be correct. In this particular matter, we are in most cases forced to argue one conjecture against another, lacking the ability to definitively prove one or the other.

    My main arguments against Unz’s rogue op allegations are simply that they are needlessly complex. Now, I’ll be the first to admit that a US based attack is possible, but is it probable? Isn’t this much more complex than a simple screw-up at a lab in Wuhan? Another of my central critiques is that much of Unz’s argument relies on press reports of leaked government secrets. He then criticizes the Lab Release faction’s relying on different news reports also claiming “secret intel” as being planted stories. Isn’t this a case of the pot calling the kettle black? Upon what basis would an outsider give more credence to Unz’s cited reports, over the other news reports pointing to a different outcome?

    The Iran ‘attack” may indeed have been a rogue op, or heaven forbid –they might have merely been the importation of the virus which had already been an outbreak in Wuhan for three months or more — even Unz would agree with this latter point. Iran is a major trading partner of China, and before the outbreak was detected, it’s reasonable to suspect much travel to/from. A similar case is made for Italy which has a large population of Chinese nationals as guest workers. Or does Unz believe that a foreign nation targeted old frail folks in Northern Italy for a bio-warfare attack?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  213. @Zorton the Cruel

    I was a user of Reddit for a few months but I resigned when I learnt they censor independent thought. Your comment only reinforces the correctness of my decision. Thank you.

    • Agree: Sean
  214. @Godfree Roberts

    The actual death rate* (as a share of population) is probably one tenth that claimed figure. I don’t buy CFR or IFR — I use reported deaths as a share of total population of a region. Feel free to do your own research. You will probably get an (annual) death rate of about 0.16%. The CFR and IFR rates may have some legitimate medical use, but I call them deceptive, because they do not look at the number from the view of the entire population. No sane person would say we should judge the safety of automobiles solely by counting the number of crash victims who visit emergency rooms, would they?

    Godfree’s quote is, I presume, from a mainstream source. I am just critiquing one claim it makes to show the pervasive distortions that have persisted in almost all discussion of the pandemic, for nearly two years now. This is but one example of taking information out of proper context. In this case, it actually makes something (COVID fatality) sound ten or more times worse than it is! And even more shocking: this is a figure straight from official sources, not from a random lunatic on Twitter or Facebook.

    *There is much inaccuracy in official COVID statistics from any nation, but I will not elaborate on that here. For this exercise, I’m taking them at face value, but only to show what a fraud the claimed “death rate” typically is.

  215. temp says:

    Congress has found the CIA focal points who carried out BWTC-illegal development of banned biological weapons. And now we know how they try to avoid felony charges under 18 USC Ch. 10.

    https://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2021/11/nih-officials-worked-with-ecohealth.html

    Put these fuckers in Marion, the grabass will stop. Don’t forget to extradite Avril for a touch of command responsibility.

    CIA committed a crime of aggression with the most indiscriminate and disproportionate banned biological weapons ever devised. This will not stand. Do you want to get nuked for these scumbags?

  216. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    MERS is only ‘derived’ from bats in conjecture, in the past. The principle reservoir was dromedary camels.

    Unlike camels bats, especially Horseshoe ones, have very efficient mitochondria and they also modulate certain types of inflammation (innate immunity) in a way that makes them able to live with viruses. MERS is incredibly lethal, the Wuhan researchers and Baric made it incredibly transmissible too.

    And who ‘reconstructed’ what viruses the WIV had?

    A Spanish engineer called Francisco de Asís de Ribera. Why? Funktionslust

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  217. skrik says:
    @Sean

    Kindly see my #215.

    • Replies: @Sean
  218. @Olivier1973

    Easy. So that Wuhan and China could be accused of spreading a virus made by the dod.

    Your evidence for that is overwhelming. Really. Congratulations for the self-satisfied sensation that your baseless conspiracy theory is better than all others. So long as you feel it’s true it must be, right?

  219. durd says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I didn’t say who founded Cosmos, I said, foundation partner of Cosmos.

    If you would have looked a little further you would find that the Australian Government is the foundation partner of the Royal Institute of Australia Inc.

    Yes the Australian government has NWO interest in downplaying the effectiveness of Ivermectin.

    Why did Gladys Berejiklian step down?

    Is the story that happened in Uttar Pradesh completely false?

    Thanks for the empty insults Wazoo.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  220. @Ben the Layabout

    Here’s an Australian finding: “the true number of people to have been infected across our sample of 15 countries was 6.2 times greater than the reported number of cases (95% CI: 4.3–10.9). In individual countries, the true number of cases exceeded the reported figure by factors that range from 2.6 (95% CI: 1.8–4.5) for South Korea to 17.5 (95% CI: 12.2–30.7) for Italy”.
    https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rsos.200909

    And an MIT finding, “Cumulative cases (and deaths) through 30 October 2020 are estimated to be 8.5 (and 1.4 times) greater than official reports, yielding an overall infection fatality rate (IFR) of 0.48%, with wide variation across nations and significant decline in IFR over time”.
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3635047

    And a Chinese finding, “Wuhan Covid-19 cases may have been ten times higher than first reported”.
    https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/LXTfDmsQLf3qZnu_S_MxcA

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  221. Sean says:
    @skrik

    OK; by now most agree that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab, but which/where/when?

    Ralph Baric showed the Wuhan researchers how to insert novel cleavage site into coronaviruses in 2015. This would be a means for the Chinese to retaliate to any bioweapon attack on China, and in devastating fashion. The US Department Of Defence gave the Wuhan Virology Institute hundreds of millions of dollars for experiments including massively increasing the transmissibility of the 30% lethal MERS. What was the DoD thinking of?

    This was not looking for or researching future potential pandemic pathogens, it was creating them. I think it is clear that, far from Machiavellian maneuvers, the CIA, DIA and Department of Defence had very little if any understanding of what they were doing. If you want to understand the way the Deep State think, just look at General Milley’s calls to the Chinese telling them that he would tip them off in the event of war.

    If the Chinese had been attacked with a bioweapon they would know it. A pandemic starting in Wuhan must have been the result of either a Chinese mistake, or a deliberately blatant American bioweapon attack on a country that the US Deep State had provided with the capability to hit back at America with a similar bioweapon . China also has a three million strong army and nuclear weapons, so it would have a complete range of option to retaliate in order to deter and put an end to the esculating series of Bioweapons that Ron has hypothsised the Covid-19 pandemic is merely the latest in a series of.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @skrik
  222. Anastasia says:

    I think we are beyond this fraud at this point. Spare us. Put it on cnn. They believe it is a lab leak bio weapon.

  223. @durd

    You have confirmed
    1. The inaccuracy of your earlier comment. The Australian government was not a foundation partner of Cosmos
    2.The total flabby irrelevance of your brainfart posed as a Comment.

    • Replies: @durd
  224. Von Rho says:
    @skrik

    Launched by drones? Excuse me, but I have some doubts: a) Such an operation, supposedly consisting of spreading the bug all over the world in these two years, wouldn’t it be very difficult to keep it hidden from everyone but David Vincent? b) Would the above mentioned spreading method be effective? The bug quickly loses infectivity outdoors.

    • Replies: @skrik
  225. Von Rho says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I agree that the accidental leak hypothesis is an insult to cleverhood. We can notice also that wether bioengineered or not, all current explanations have footprints on current ideologies, such as theories which claim that the virus was exported by meat products (vegans) or came from bats (the evil beast for typical American superstitious like Bruce Wayne). If bioengineered and intentionally disseminated, probablly it would be done by a secret private organization, like Silva in 007’s Skyfall. Government agencies would not keep this a secret for long, given the magnitude of the dissemination task.

  226. Von Rho says:
    @geokat62

    How do you explain that the ultra-orthodox were proportionally who mostly died from c19?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  227. 迪路 says:
    @cohen

    In my view,I think the people in Wuhan lab are a bunch of idiots. When they heard that they were going to cooperate with Harvard University, they were so happy. They were so excited that a world-class university would favor them. After all, China’s biological research technology lags behind the international.
    Baric said the virus was needed for research and prevention, and those fools gave it. But Baric changed the virus.

  228. @Sean

    The real explanation, not your febrile race-hatred, is that the Chinese co-operated with the US out of concern for a future pandemic, and precisely to keep an eye on US bio-warfare research. The Chinese won’t use such Evil means because they are NOT Westerners. The US, in contrast, has used bio-warfare often, and chemical weapons, A-bombs and depleted uranium because they, like you, are Evil swine.

  229. @Sean

    DRASTIC appears to be a Spanish Bellingcrap. A Western agit-prop operation designed to slander China. Why did these amateur sleuths NOT investigate Fort Detrick, the University of North Carolina, Ralph Baric etc, etc. Because they are tools of Western intelligence and only publish the ‘information’ given them by Western intelligence agencies, just like Bellingcrap. Is that your shtick, too, Sean? What’s your pay like? Or do you do it just out of hatred of the Yellow Peril?

  230. @Wizard of Oz

    Tim Harford is a Rightwing hack, ‘respected’ only by the likes of you. The effing slime is one of the most villainous disinformers attacking ivermectin, and even Vitamin D supplementation. Just the sort that ought to be arraigned in New Nuremberg Trials. Arrogant, too, of course.

  231. skrik says:
    @Sean

    You are finally getting ‘warm:’

    If the Chinese had been attacked with a bioweapon they would know it

    Yes! Exactly! Dr. Shi saw the 1st SARS-CoV-2 genome read-out [from samples taken from a ‘mystery pneumonia’ patient], she recognised the primarily RaTG13 spike with the RBD from MP789 spliced in. But ‘Oh shock-horror!’ – What the hell is this PRRA doing there, right on the S1/S2 boundary? Dr. Shi instantly gets ‘on the blower’ to the CCP, and ‘Bob’s your uncle,’ Wuhan gets locked-down, ‘tighter’n a drum.’ As an ‘humanitarian/friendly’ gesture, non-permanent resident foreigners were allowed to repatriate [before the run-away infection wave became apparent] but unforeseen/unfortunately, some of these were already in the asymptomatic stage of infection and the next ‘Bob’s your uncle,’ SARS-CoV-2 ‘leaked’ out into the wider world.

    That’s one valid alternative, another is that everything up to the Wuhan lock-down was as described above, but the 2nd valid alternative is that the penultimate SARS-CoV-2 version [without the PRRA] was tested on some unfortunate ZUSA ‘innocents’ by creating the minor EVALI sickness ‘event’ [see the typical ground-glass-looking lung x-ray images] by ‘spiking’ a shipment of vaping liquid [thus delivering the active ingredient direct into victims’ lungs, but without infecting others]. Then the hyper-infective PRRA ‘trigger’ was added in [note: *not* in China] and the actual final SARS-CoV-2 version was released by covert, non-Chinese agents into an area near WIV.

    Note that this 2nd valid alternative neither involves nor implicates Dr. Shi/WIV/CCP.

    This is one place where you veer ‘off the track:’

    so it would have a complete range of option to retaliate

    IF you just abandoned all thoughts of “retaliate” THEN we can put aside any ‘war with China’ fears; you could try humming a few bars of “The Girl Is Mine,” like the “I’m a lover, not a fighter” bit. rgds

  232. skrik says:
    @Von Rho

    Launched by drones?

    Quite possibly; I’ve seen drones as small as my little finger [and images of even smaller], all any such [with virus loaded into a micro-nebuliser] would need to do is ‘buzz’ some outdoor café, say [recall that a prime infection pathway is via airborne droplets emitted by the ‘shedding’ infected – cough, cough, sneeze] then ‘ditch’ into the nearest flowing water.

    Recall the current problem in Auckland; *one* infected person managed to arrive [assumed ‘safe’] in Aug but started a cluster, AFAIK now in Nov still not yet under control. rgds

    • Replies: @迪路
    , @Von Rho
  233. geokat62 says:
    @Von Rho

    How do you explain that the ultra-orthodox were proportionally who mostly died from c19?

    Do you have a source?

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  234. 迪路 says:
    @skrik

    There was a saying on Twitter earlier. Pompeo said at West Point that the virus was leaked by an outsourcing company. Perhaps Deep State has also made mistakes. Maybe things are out of their control. Since the effect of Remdesivir manufactured by Baric and Gilead on the coronavirus is not very good, I think deep State is more likely to play off.

    • Replies: @skrik
  235. @Sean

    In 2018 US Department of Defense refused to give a \$14 million grant to Peter “Maniac” Daszack and Bat Lady Shi so they could engineer novel cleavage sites into SARS-like viruses

    Please, give the reference of this grant.

    In 2015 there had been international scientific uproar when Dr Shi of the WIV inserted a furin cleavage site into the bat derived coronavirus MERS that was not very transmissible between humans, but killed a third of those it did infected.

    Please give the source of this affirmation, as I cannot find the research article by Shi Zhengli describing this insertion.

    And tell us please what is happening in the numerous military biological laboratories all over the world.

    One lab among many others:

    https://armswatch.com/project-g-2101-pentagon-biolab-discovered-mers-and-sars-like-coronaviruses-in-bats/

    • Replies: @Sean
  236. @Wizard of Oz

    https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/covid/a-letter-to-my-vaccine-hesitant-friends/?amp=1

    A COVID infection, on the other hand, increases your chance of a blood clot to the lung by 12- and a heart attack more than four-fold. Your overall risk of dying from COVID if infected, based on the latest data from Sydney, is 1%. If you’re over 70, make that 4%.

    What a stupid letter! To confuse “chance” with “risk” shows that the author cannot think correctly.

    “Lies, damned lies and statistics.” Mark Twain.

    The spike protein is toxic by itself for few people, yes few people, like the virus, for few people with co-morbidities. In France and Switzerland, no excess mortality in 2020 for people under 65 yo and in Geneva no excess mortality under 70 yo.

    All this folk promoting these vaccins have conflicts of interest. Corruption is all over the place.

    Try LEITRAGIN instead. But of course people like you know nothing about that, do you?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  237. skrik says:
    @迪路

    Thanks, but

    Mike Pompeo: “I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole”

    Just one deliberate lie kills all credibility, then

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

    ~Carl Sagan

    What we need is reputable, credible, checkable quotes OR a credible whistle-blower. rgds

    PS Only a rumour, understand, but in addition, CIA is ‘suspected’ of being mass-murderers, torturers and BIG-time dope smugglers. Probably also ‘deeply’ infested by pedos.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
    , @迪路
  238. Von Rho says:
    @geokat62

    I found now the link below but I thought this matter was know by everybody.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/10/nyregion/covid-death-list-jewish.html

    • Replies: @geokat62
  239. Von Rho says:
    @skrik

    Technically it makes sense, but there is still the problem of keeping it a secret if done in multiple places for a long time to produce all the varieties and outbreaks. Such a method would require a considerable network of devices and skilled people until the end of the chain consisting of an agent disguised in the tube releasing the micro drone. In Russia, for example, would FSB be sleeping all this time?

  240. Von Rho says:
    @skrik

    Pompeo is a moron to whom such an operation like this would not be bidden. Unfortunately, we came back to the starting point described by Ron in the example of the entrepreneur whose wife dies.

    • Replies: @Sean
  241. geokat62 says:
    @Von Rho

    I found now the link below but I thought this matter was know by everybody.

    The article is behind a paywall.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  242. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/

    A secondary reference / link I have already given, though it is a long thread you had all the tools at your disposal to quickly locate the link. I took the time to do it again; first one’s free, but you can’t keep coming back to this well. SARS rather than MERS but there would have been the roughly the same lethality.

    In 2015 Baric had done something simular. What Baric taught the Chinese to do resulted in a disease with very low lethality, but immense affinity for human cells. As I am sure you are aware, the transmissibility between humans* of the Covid -19 pathogen is its most surprising characteristic. In 2002-3 the SARS pathogen underwent evolution, which was because it was ill adapted to infect humans. The Covid-19 pathogen was quite different in it arives Ex Machina, with a flying start rather than a standing one.

    *{Chinese are no more human that Americans, so how could this be anyone’s bioweapon?}.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787 Published: 12 November 2015
    Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research

    In October 2014, the US government imposed a moratorium on federal funding of such research on the viruses that cause SARS, influenza and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, a deadly disease caused by a virus that sporadically jumps from camels to people). The latest study was already under way before the US moratorium began, and the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) allowed it to proceed […] Nature Medicine1 on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them. It also caused disease in mice. […] “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,” agrees Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist and biodefence expert at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Both Ebright and Wain-Hobson are long-standing critics of gain-of-function research.

    In their paper, the study authors also concede that funders may think twice about allowing such experiments in the future. “Scientific review panels may deem similar studies building chimeric viruses based on circulating strains too risky to pursue,” they write, adding that discussion is needed as to “whether these types of chimeric virus studies warrant further investigation versus the inherent risks involved”.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  243. Sean says:
    @Von Rho

    How could Bolton’s orders have forve after he left office; Bolton was sacked in early September 2019 because Trump thought he was too hawkish. General Milley was on the phone to the Chinese promising tipping them off about American attacks. Quite apart from the fact that what the head of the Joint Chiefs did was proof that the army would sabotage even a lawful order for an attack on China, Pompeo hasn’t got the balls to try. Even what Milley did is further outside legality than Pompeo might try to go; the idea that Pompeo would dare order a bioweapon attack on China is far fetched. Perpetrators do things they think they can can away with, and the CIA being told that Trump wanted a bioweapon attack don ‘ off the books would not cut any ice at all. In fact if the CIA operatives were called into the White House and ordered by Trump in person to attack China with a bioweapon they would not do it. The CIA is much more concerned with Russia than China. Like Milley, who said in 2015 that Chinese growth will tail off to 5%. Despite the pandemic it is shaping up this year to be over 8%.

    Ron understands the genetic quality of the Chinese population like few others and thus he knows it is China’s destiny to dominate the world, but he is deluded if he thinks the the US Deep State are aware of what must come. The MSM and the Deep State are subservient to the true elite to, which is Wall street, and they are heavily invested in Chinese growth, as are many corporation and cutting edge manufacturing business , such as Tesla and Boeing who are building factories in China as the price of getting in on the ground floor of Chinese home market growth.

    Crucially, the weak point in talking about China as if it is a trusting wife is the US has no control whatsoever over what actions the leadership of China would take in the face of an American bioweapon attack as blatantly as Ron says the Wuhan outbreak was just that. Very far from being a banana republic, China is a country comparable in offensive capability to America. In the aftermath of even the most limited war between America and China (the Chinese leadership would know if they had been attacked with a bioweapon, and a bioweapon attack would be an act of war they’d simply have to respond to by military action in order to deter further attacks) Russia would be in an extremely favourable position. Whether or not it ought to be, Russia is in fact the main concern of the American Deep State. They were concerned about Donald Trump becoming president because he was seen as soft on Russia, not China.

    The US Deep State follow the political class in believing that American freedoms are the basis for its success and so China can never supplant the US as the worlds mist powerful country. While the US does attract (genetically) intelligent people from all over the world, this is not going to be enough to keep America on top. Or keep Chinese scientists from accidently destroying humanity, which they assuredly will.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  244. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    Francis Collins is director of the US National Institutes of Health, so of course he is suggesting that the research that the NIH permitted to continue even after it was officially banned, as they are known to have done with Professor Ralph Baric of north Carolina University’s 2015 collaboration with the Wuhan Virology Institute to create a chimera of SARS that had great affinity for human cells, was not the ultimate cause of the current global pandemic. In a nutshell, Collins would say that, wouldn’t he?

  245. durd says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hi, Wazoo

    Man you’re deplorable piece of work. Cosmos is under the umbrella of Royal Institute of Australia Inc. Which has a foundation partner called The Australian government. Look it up you lazy gaslighting blob of gelatinous fat.

    There is no reason for me to interact with some thing that has shown to be a Wazoo everytime.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  246. @durd

    Competing for the title of stupidest commenter on UR you still don’t get it that your idle irrelevant initial reply was plain wrong. Yet you persist with trivia.

  247. anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Sean gets very frantic when Unz gets warm. He’s back 600 times with the CIA alibi-of-the-day. In this case the Big Lie is, CIA focal points at NIH are dumb. They didn’t know what they were doing.

    What fake CIA doctor Daszak doing was obscuring attribution of an internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens giving rise to erga omnes responsibility to counter and punish CIA’s grave crime.

    You will recall Guinea finally acceded to the BWTC after Sierra Leone got an ebola outbreak >3000 klicks from the reservoir, in the opposite direction that the bats migrate. Fake CIA doctor Robert Garry dropped the beaker in Kenema and covered his ass with the heartwarming story of the little pickaninny and her pet bat in the tree, Remember? It was moving and fictional, kind of like The Velveteen Bat. Garry also covered up CIA’s banned biological weapon SARS-COV-2 with the equally lame Nature Medicine paper.

    It’s all fucking CIA. Every fucking time.

    https://cogiito.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Interview-MerylNass-WhyAreInfluentialVirologistsInsistingontheNaturalOriginofSARSCoV2.pdf

    CIA developed and used the banned biological weapon SARS-COV-2, delegating just enough of their compartmented research to let them point fingers for deniability – at their victims in China. CIA is going to get us nuked unless we all go to Langley and hang those SIS fuckers by their genitals.

    • Agree: Sean
  248. Fred777 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “The Chinese vaccines, Sinovac and Sinopharm are attenuated whole virus vaccines, so will be safer and more effective.”

    Ok but how profitable are they?

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  249. Von Rho says:
    @Sean

    I always say here: in the eighties, our teachers told us “you have to learn Japanese because soon they will take over the world”. What is Japan now? You must apply to yourself what you said above: China is a creation of Wall Street (and of the City). China is not a serious threat because it still has a pre-modern mentality, with no development of abstractions, due to animism, or the belief that everything has a soul, as Taoism claims. For example, they have no gods (except those brought in by Buddhism), which were an essential step in human progress. Without gods, they had no priesthood, only civil servants (the mandarinate). The priesthood was needed to develop astronomy, which in turn developed the remaining sciences, even mathematics. What they developed in Ancient China were technical inventions which were favored by an animistic world view but not necessarily achieved by mathematical development, such as paper, powder, etc. Today, they don’t have machines to build miniaturized chips as small as the Western ones. They depend on the Netherlands to sell these machines. The day Wall Street decides to turn off the tap, China will be finished, like Japan.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @GomezAdddams
    , @Dumbo
  250. Sean says:
    @Von Rho

    Today, they don’t have machines to build miniaturized chips as small as the Western ones. They depend on the Netherlands to sell these machines.

    For all the windmills , the Dutch Golden Age ran on peat, then industialisation was aided by coal from Britain. At one time people said Britain would collapse when the coal ran out, the UK has been coal free electricity generation during the lockdown, but that was due to electricity bought from coal fired Dutch electricity generation.

    “Quantity has a quality all its own” . China is ten times the size of Japan, and it is already so self confident that it did not turn up in Glasgow the UK has been coal free electricity generation during the lockdown or the global warming talks, even though its share of the emissions are the biggest in the world (a full 27%).

    https://www.bevinalexander.com/excerpts/korean-war/tactics-chinese-communists-korean-war.htm

    The Chinese tried whenever possible to infiltrate through enemy positions in order to plant a roadblock on the supply line, in hopes of inducing the enemy to retreat to regain contact with the rear. If UN forces stayed in position, the roadblocks still were useful in cutting off escape routes and supply.

    In infiltration and assaults against front-line positions, the Chinese moved largely at night to avoid air strikes and reduce aerial observation. In attacks they tried to isolate individual outposts, usually platoons, by striking at the fronts, while at the same time attempting to outflank them. The purpose was to defeat forces in detail by gaining local superiority. If they could not destroy enemy positions, they hoped to induce the opponent to withdraw. When this failed, they got as close as possible to the enemy so that, when daylight came, U.S. aircraft would be unable to bomb them for fear of hitting friendly troops.

    Advancing Chinese units generally followed the easiest, most accessible terrain in making their approaches: valleys, draws, or streambeds. As soon as they met resistance, they deployed, peeling off selected small units to engage the opposition. However, if they met no resistance, the whole column often moved in the darkness right past defensive emplacements deep into the rear of enemy positions. There were many examples of this in Korea. In some cases entire Chinese regiments marched in column formation into the UN rear.

    Once fully committed, the Chinese seldom halted their attack, even when suffering heavy casualties. Other Chinese came forward to take the place of those killed or wounded. The buildup continued, often on several sides of the position, until they made a penetration —either by destroying the position or forcing the defenders to withdraw. After consolidating the new conquest, the Chinese then crept forward against the open flank of the next platoon position. This combination of stealth and boldness, usually executed in darkness against small units, could result in several penetrations of a battalion front and could be devastating.

    Since the Chinese tried to cut the defending force into small fractions and attack these fractions with local superiority in numbers, they favored the ambush over all other tactical methods. As a rule attacking Chinese forces ranged in size from a platoon to a company (50 to 200 men) and were built up continually as casualties occurred.

    The best defense was for the UN force somehow to hold its position until daybreak. With visibility restored, aircraft could attack the Chinese and usually restore the situation. However, Chinese night attacks were so effective that the counsel often went unheeded and defending forces were overrun or destroyed.

    Fear of another Chinese intervention is why America never went all out in Vietnam and lost the war. There were a third of a million Chinese workers in North Vietnam, that is why the North could send troops to the South. To end the Vietnam war Nixon was forced to recognise China. Under President Carter China was built up as a bulwark against the USSR.

    In 2001 President George W. Bush’s 2001 pushed through the granting to China of permanent normal trading relations trumpeted as the “final step in normalizing U.S.-China trade relations and welcoming China into a global, rules-based trading system.” Even by then it was a zombie policy that marched on long after the rationale for it has faded away. Now we have a President dating back to that era in which China was not threat who thinks that it is no competition.. He said this in publicly in 2019, The head of the Joint Chefs assured Chinese generals that he was willing to drop a a dime on President Trump. The big index funds are balls deep in China

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @Von Rho
  251. @Sean

    Everything you write is meant to defame Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan lab and the Chinese.

    You give a link to an article of The Intercept; why not the direct link?

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal

    Title: ” Defusing the Threat of Bat-borne Coronaviruses ”

    Of course the dod will not give money to such research when it is working itself on such biological weapons.

    The following article:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

    is not about MERS, but SHC014-CoV and there is no mention of “insertion” or “furin”.

    Further, the leading authors are Americans from the University of N Carolina. It becomes thus obvious that Shi Zhengli was framed to be easily targeted.

    Thus when you wrote

    Also in 2015, there was a joint project in which Professor Ralph Baric of the University of North Carolina and the famous Dr Shi of the WIV (basically Baric was showing Shi how to do this) inserted a furin cleavage site into the bat derived coronavirus MERS

    you are lying. Shi Zhengli is one among 15 co-authors (and her role in the study is not described) and it is not about MERS, not about humans and not about furin.

    • Replies: @Sean
  252. @Sean

    You forgot to mention that the US war criminals used already biological weapons to avoid defeat.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  253. @Olivier1973

    Yet another disappointment on UR. I hadthe impression that you had said some quite sensible, even intelligent things. But here you are with something that suggests maybe some deranged mental agitation that needs meds or meditation.

    You are right that I had not heard of Leitragin. So what?

    You don’t bother to make clear who you refer to when you say

    this folk promoting these vaccins have conflicts of interest. Corruption is all over the place.

    If you don’t mean the. Drs Finkel then your comment is irrelevant to what you were replying to. If you do, then you don’t know what you are talking about. The Finkels made a fortune of hundreds of millions from Axon Instruments over 20 years ago and have been able to do what all decent people aspire to ever since, namely use their talents and energy to make a better world. (Like Ron Unz – though I yjink in his case he is hoping to ow the decline😎).

    I daresay you cannot plausibly boast qualifications which would make anyone take your characterising Elizabeth Finkel’s letter as “stupid” seriously or suppose you could explain ho you justified criticising an alleged failure to make a proper distinction between “chance” and “risk” as she actually used them. But please do try and redeem yourself. Set out her argument honestly and show where it is wrong. I’ll take the risk to my reputation of saying that there is no chance you can do so.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  254. @Olivier1973

    Your replies to Sean would be interesting if they were accurate and perceptive or just explored who Sean really is.

    A few years ago I seem to have stopped a Muslim commenter continuing his/her connection to UR by skewering a few comments as obviously subcontracted to Pakistani students. Ron Unz has, I think, labelled Sean as an ally of The Lobby (to put it briefly). He/she/it is surely a team, producing more substantial comments on more subjects than anyone but the webzine host could justify as his use of time and energy.

    Not surprisingly there is quite a lot of good stuff in the Sean comments. Of course one would expect variable quality. But I simply don’t see why you pick the Sean team as anti Cbinese. What motive do you detect for a clever Jew?

    BTW, try a burst of objectivity and see if you can say why a likely cause of the pandemic could not have been leak of the bioengineered comparatively mild version of Covid 19 produced by the research efforts at WIV sponsored and paid for by both China and the US through some lab technician having become infected though with almost no symptoms which would raise an alarm. It could be matched up with the alleged closing of access in September 2019 to the data base of viral genomes, Though not necessarily.

  255. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Tim Harford, whose latest book I have just been given, though I haven’t yet read it, is, I daresay, a somewhat greater claim to respect for his reasoning and judgement than anything you have disclosed about yourself. I doubt whether the Japanese owners of the FT would be giving him regular space if they were not satisfied that he had earned respect amongst the typically educated upper muffle class readers of the FT.

    There is no apparent connection BTW between being a “right wing hack” and being a “disinformer” about Ivermectin or taking any view on it,or the Donald’s favoured HCQ for that matter. Have you read Dr Elizabeth Finkel’s article in Cosmos? She is no hack.

  256. Von Rho says:
    @Sean

    A common answer is that China is much bigger than Japan. But the biggest empires were ruled by small countries. See European empires and Japan too. Regarding what you said about carbon, there is a financial interest that the BRICS countries do not stop burning carbon. They are providing profits in the last declining third of the current Kondratiev cycle, especially China and India.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Sean
  257. @Fred777

    Ok but how profitable are they?

    The primary aim of making a vaccine is to save lives– NOT making profits!!!

  258. 迪路 says:
    @skrik

    In fact, when it comes to what those deep State plans are, we will see what it continues to do, not what it says.
    You can look at Vertex Pharmaceuticals. As a businessman they’ve chosen cystic fibrosis, which has only 90,000 patients worldwide, and I doubt it’s going to make any money. In addition, the company logo is also interesting, which is the illuminati logo.
    I did some research, and their funding most likely came from the Rockefeller Foundation. You can check out their website, they have most of the best gene-editing technology in the world.
    There are also many collaborations between Vertex and Moderna. In addition, Moderna was previously funded by DARPA. Vertex has a strong track record of LGBTQ advocacy. Check out their company profile. To put it simply, as long as feminism, LGBTQ, BLM and legalization of drugs are included, they are all activities of deep state.
    I am not saying that the ideals that deep State is trying to spread are completely wrong, there is some reasonableness in them, but such an approach will ultimately lead to the failure of human beings to advance, and it is more likely that human beings will become extinct within 300 years.

  259. @Von Rho

    What do you make of the essential reality of the Kondratiev Cycle (Wave) **? Factors which would have been barely imaginable back when almost everyone had large families and the world population was less than 2 billion include effective birth control, healthy life expectancy tapering off its improvement, vast numbers of smart Chinese and Indian STEM students, AI and Quantum Computing. Only the last is a bit uncertain and, anyway, it’s impact could be vastly different from previous leaps forward. I have supposed Eugenics by genetic engineering or even compulsory embryo selection deferred for cultural reasons.

    **Sad for K that the celebrity lecture circuit didn’t make him a Clinton or Blair type fortune😉

  260. @Ron Unz

    Here’s some good news for the seeker after unpropagandised truth. Forget Australian scientist Danielle Anderson and Australian journalist Sharri Markson. Listen to Eddie Holmes talking to Robyn Williams here: He is Professor of Virology at Sydney University and an evolutionary geneticist.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/2021-prime-minister%E2%80%99s-prize-for-science-winner-%E2%80%93-eddie-holmes/13618302

    He was talking to the Chinese scientist in Wuhan on 3rd January last year who took 40 hours to sequence the Covid 19 genome and recognise a Coronaviris very like SARS. He contrasted that with the two years it had taken to do the same for HIV. He wasn’t adamant that there was no lab leak but obviously didn’t feel the need to go there given what he knew from his background in evolutionary genetics

  261. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21089573-priority-grants-for-foia-request-55058-first-look-institute-2_redacted

    A report to NIH by EcoHealth Alliance on what they had been using the grant money from American taxpayers for, detailed an experiment with the pathogen that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS’s case-fatality rate: 35 percent) . In 2012, which is the same year MERS had been identified, maniac Peter Daszak’s Wuhan scientists “replaced the virus’s receptor-binding domain of MERS-CoV with the RBDs of various strains of HKU4-related coronaviruses previously identified in bats in southern China.”

    Well, Fuck!

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  262. Half Back says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I think I found the paper you referenced.
    ‘The findings of this report suggest that SARS-CoV-2 infections may have been present in the United States in December 2019, earlier than previously recognized. ”
    Where do you get earlier timing?
    https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  263. Half Back says:
    @Deep Thought

    I cant stand Sharri. She is a zealot. While doing a little research on her i came across a story that explains the way Zionist control the Australian media. Sharri and other media figures went on a all expense payed Holiday to Israel. From organization with ties to Australia Billionaire Eg Westfields Frank Lowy. It was their that she felt moved and reoriented to her Jewish roots, no problem their- free to express – But she and a TV Channel Seven cameraman (also along on the junket) and that’s how all the media in Australia are in the Jewish pockets from all these free junkets, when they AWOL and saw how the Palestinians are really treated and lived ( I have seen it also in Israel) and it’s not a pretty picture- Sharri’s rank opportunism and recently extreme mid east positions, with no compassion for the Palestinians as well as her recent, China did it, has her in the Josephs Goebbels category.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @迪路
  264. Sean says:
    @Von Rho

    They are providing profits in the last declining third of the current Kondratiev cycle,

    If you are looking for Apophenics Anonymous you have come to the right place.

    A common answer is that China is much bigger than Japan.

    In the fighting on the territory of north Korea,despite lacking heavy weapons and air support, China steamrollered the US forces. It was a clear defeat: the first war America lost.

    But the biggest empires were ruled by small countries.

    True, Holland in many ways invented the modern world, but though commercially/ financially advanced it was eclipsed by by Britain, which used the brute force of state power. Holland sells coal fired power to Britain so it can preen as not generating electricity with coal. It is easy to have low emissions in the West when everything is being made in China. The indigenous population of the West are redundant, even as cannon fodder: Holland gave up its tanks, and Britain is considering whether to follow suit.

    No member of the American Deep State would contemplated a land war is Asia against China, which is what attacking China with a bioweapon would inevitable involve. Wuhan , if it was an American bioweapon would also be a blatant provocation. We are told that the US make huge mistakes Afghanistan, yet what offensive capability does that have. China could throw a million men at the US army in South Korea , and China has nuclear ICBMs. Plus General Milley, who believed the most fantastic things about the then-occupant of the White House.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
    , @Anonymous
  265. @Half Back

    I had no idea till very recently who Sharri Markson is. Then I saw the Sky program based on her book and could see why Rupert and even editors half his age might hire her. I agree, and you have added a little evidence, that one should bear her Jewishness in mind but I wouldn’t be very surprised to find that a biggish ego would see her head off into the heterodox positions of other smart Jews who have decided to call out Israel’s failings. I don’t see anything Jewish or Zionist in her accepting a Wuhan leak version though, obviously, I am more impressed by Eddie Holmes, the Professor of Virology on Saturday’s ABC Science Show who hadn’t read her book and thought the virus was zoonotic. (And he mightn’t be right either).

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  266. 迪路 says:
    @Half Back

    The best way to defeat lies is to enhance their own knowledge, to build their own theory of knowledge, to build their own news media. If Frankfurt the Jew set up that whole system, why don’t we set up a system of theoretical knowledge based on the purpose of humanity against them? Of course, such a system must be based on non-racism.
    The behavior of the deep State is out of control. The real humanism at least requires us to abandon some rubbish culture while naturally blending various cultures. Rubbish culture like black rap with drugs and sex,In addition to making money, will deeply harm the interests of all mankind. While they were doing this, they did not pay attention to the detriment of the progress of all mankind. The dross culture overwhelms the elite culture, and man will degenerate into a beast. The new world order should advocate human survival for at least the next 1,000 years.

    • Thanks: Half Back
  267. @Ron Unz

    More from Tim Harford which, if you don’t already know all about Cotton Mather (yes the supporter of the witch trials) will fully justify your listening to the podcast on your walk for a coffee, despite irritating ads.

    Go to

    https://timharford.com/etc/more-or-less/

    and listen to “How to End a Pandemic”.

    With your Harvard connection to Boston you may know that The Rev Cotton Mather, son of Increase Mather, President of Harvard which Cotton also unsuccessfully sought to be, introduced inoculation against smallpox to Boston against almost unanimous objection from Boston’s medical community around 1720. He had discovered it use from African slaves, confirmed by reading of the Turks also using it nearly 80 years before Jenner invented vaccination. Apparently the death rate from inoculation was 2% – much less than the disease for reasons unexplained.

    Mather of course experimented on slaves. He owned one, bought for him by his congregation.

    Tell me you knew Cotton Mather was a Fellow of the Royal Society😎

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  268. Von Rho says:
    @Sean

    I suggest you watch the link below about the supporting role of China and India in the current phase of the Kondratiev cycle. About your mention of “apophenics”, perhaps you have not noticed that this term was created by Conrad, what shows a tendency to superficiality, since the afore mentioned psychiatrist remained attached only to phenomenological descriptions. So I suggest you study Karl Kleist, who explained all these phenomena from the angle of pathogenesis, including “apathetic depression,” in which there is a tendency not to make correlations between facts.

    • Replies: @Sean
  269. @Sean

    Well, well, well…

    I asked you about a document of 2015 with Baric and you come with a document submitted in 2021 by Daszak.

    You lost.

    Well, Fuck!

    Sorry, you lost again.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Sean
  270. @Wizard of Oz

    Yet another disappointment on UR.

    Hopefully you will survive.

    I hadthe impression that you had said some quite sensible, even intelligent things.

    I don’t give a shit about what you are thinking.

    But here you are with something that suggests maybe some deranged mental agitation that needs meds or meditation.

    Ad personam fallacy. No argument.

    You are right that I had not heard of Leitragin. So what?

    You were ignorant of that medicine. Now you are not.

    You don’t bother to make clear who you refer to when you say

    this folk promoting these vaccins have conflicts of interest. Corruption is all over the place.

    Very sorry if your understanding skills are limited.

    have been able to do what all decent people aspire to ever since, namely use their talents and energy to make a better world.

    If you did not understand I cannot help you. My comment was about that letter and what it implies. A better world is not a world where people are blackmailed or advised (like in this letter) to get a toxic protein. A better world would be one for instance to develop a vaccin against the E protein after assessing its absence of toxicity.

    (Like Ron Unz – though I yjink in his case he is hoping to ow the decline😎).

    Do you read what you are typing? Another ad personam. Purely gratuitous.

    I daresay you cannot plausibly boast qualifications which would make anyone take your characterising Elizabeth Finkel’s letter as “stupid” seriously or suppose you could explain ho you justified criticising an alleged failure to make a proper distinction between “chance” and “risk” as she actually used them.

    Again I feel sorry for your limited understanding skills.

    But please do try and redeem yourself.

    ROTFL!

    I’ll take the risk to my reputation of saying that there is no chance you can do so.

    How funny! So you care about your reputation while being here under a pseudonym! Pure rhetoric of course. Taking other people for stupid is not evidence of cleverness.

    I see that with more than 11500 comments in 6 years you are addicted to this site. That is more than 5 comments a day! LOL

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  271. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    No, although that document is dated 2021 it is the EcoHealth Alliance report to the National Institutes of Health for the period ending May 2019 and details a gain of function (increased affinity with human cells) experiment done with MERS by the Wuhan researchers. Quite possibly Ecohealth Alliance did not inform the NIH about the MERS-bat coronavirus gain of function that resulted from artificially inserting a furin cleavage site and that is why this document is dated this year.

    The NIH has said that Peter ‘ Maniac’ Daszak failed to properly report the results of an experiment conducted with the Wuhan Institute of Virology which made a bat coronavirus more dangerous to humans.

    You lost.

    I am in my natural habitat. The bats must have been lost to be in Wuhan, which is in central China. One thousand miles from their home.

    The Chinese witch known as Bat Lady denied she had bats at her institute. Lies.

  272. @Sean

    Like a truly vicious, racist, troll, your villainy grows ever more extreme. So, the Chinese professor is a ‘witch’ is she? Even is she was so, she would be several levels above a psychopathic racist hate-monger like you.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams, d dan
  273. Sean says:
    @Von Rho

    Lets get back on topic

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18787

    In October 2014, the US government imposed a moratorium on federal funding of such research on the viruses that cause SARS, influenza and MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, a deadly disease caused by a virus that sporadically jumps from camels to people). The latest study was already under way before the US moratorium began, and the US National Institutes of Health (NIH) allowed it to proceed […] Nature Medicine1 on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them. It also caused disease in mice. […] “The only impact of this work is the creation, in a lab, of a new, non-natural risk,”

    Allowing it to proceed was a fatal error, but what was the NIH doing funding Ralph Baric to teach the Wuhan researchers to do furin cleavage insertion in the first place? No one in authority seemed to understand what this cabal of scientists was actually doing. If the NIH didn’t know it was because they didn’t want to know. Daszak took the NIH’s money, but seems to have regarded the requirement that he reported any results that might be GoF as unwarranted interference with science and dissimulated accordingly. He deserves a term in prison.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  274. @Wizard of Oz

    Sharri Markson slithered into view when she led the attack on Mike Carleton in 2014 after he had the gall to criticise Israel massacring defenceless Gazan children-the ONLY major MSM journalist in Austfailia who dared do so. A fake ‘antisemitism’ jihad was raised by the Murdoch cancer. with Markson leading the way, and Carleton, a fixture of the MSM in Sydney, and for a time in London, was destroyed. In the MSM much more space and outrage was reserved for a couple of Jewish children allegedly abused by a bus driver, than for the scores of Gazan children blown to bits.
    In this pandemic agit-prop, Markson is a conduit for the worst US and other Western ‘intelligence’ disinformationists. I would say that, in my opinion at least, the hideous creature illustrates odiously just how much the worst elements of Jewry hate and fear China, because they know that they will never control it as they control the West.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  275. @Sean

    Baric has worked with Fort Detrick, and his lab at the Uni of North Carolina has a poor safety record, like scores of such labs in the USA. The work at the WIV was, undoubtedly, outsourced by the US preparatory to the US biowarfare attack, to establish the skeleton of the false narrative of the Western MSM and racist Sinophobe trolls like you, that the WIV is the ONLY lab working on coronavirus GOF research. Indeed in the evil sewer of the Western MSM, the names ‘Baric’, ‘Fort Detrick’, ‘University of North Carolina’ never appear. They have been Memory Holed, and out of that hole scuttle insects like you to spread lies to justify your dearly desired Great Clash of Civilizations race war.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams, d dan
  276. Von Rho says:
    @Sean

    Let’s get back on topic? OK. Studying the problem of the origin of the virus, it is important to know that China is a puppet of Western bankers. Like Japan. Transnational organizations are a transversal network (in Deleuze’s sense, of a rhizomatic rather than a hierarchical structure) which power the Russian historian Fursov, whom I referred to in the previous post, calls “corporocracy”. the Chinese government is no match for those, but a vassal.

    • Replies: @Sean
  277. Anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    No member of the American Deep State would contemplated a land war is Asia against China,

    What is your basis for this belief? There are plenty in the American establishment who are promoting war or actions almost certain to lead to war. See this excerpt from the recent National Conservatism conference:

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/11/sleepwalkers-in-the-south-china-sea/

    Whether the United States should prepare for war with China – and thereby make war almost inevitable – was the matter of a verbal brawl at one of the largest gatherings of American conservatives, the National Conservatism Conference in Orlando, Florida, from October 31 to November 2.

    The same debate is ongoing in American opinion journals, where the war party is represented by the neo-conservatives of the American Enterprise Institute – Hal Brands, Dan Blumenthal, Gary Schmitt and Michael Mazza – and former National Security Adviser John Bolton…

    [I]f the United States attempts to force the issue of Taiwan’s independence, China will pre-empt this by seizing the island. If the United States takes military measures – stationing troops on the island, mining the Taiwan Straits – China will have to consider pre-emptive action.

    It’s August 1914 all over again, played as farce rather than tragedy. The European powers had existential interests to defend; the United States has nothing to lose but the perception that it can project its power anywhere in the world, including China’s coasts…

    The war hawks have shown scant interest in rising to China’s technological ambition, which presents a real challenge to America’s leading position in the world.

    But they will roll the dice on war over issues that do not bear directly on American security. Compared to them, the sleepwalkers of 1914 were exemplars of enlightened statesmanship.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  278. Von Rho says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Cotton Mather was a genious for his time. He made a model of inner Earth similar to the Euler’s one much before.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  279. @Olivier1973

    I am amazed that you can use all those words without providing any substance to your allegation that there was a critical distinction between chance and risk that had been missed or your apparent implication that the Finkels were involved in corruption and conflict of interest. (You fail to deny that, which is shameful. As you can see I don’t deny the potential for there being a potential for conflict of interest between those principally selling anti-virals and those selling vaccenes).

    And I really have to scratch my head over your saying

    Do you read what you are typing? Another ad personam. Purely gratuitous.

    In respect of my

    (Like Ron Unz – though I yjink in his case he is hoping to ow the decline😎).

    Despite a typo that my damaged eyes didn’t pick up how could that have been anything but a compliment to Ron Unz?

    BTW is it a policy decision to use “ad personam” instead of the long established “ad hominen’? Or maybe generational conformity/solidarity or an attempt to win favour with a feminist girlfriend?

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  280. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I have never followed Mike Carlton, partly because I tend to cut out of consideration people who frequently resort to very intemperate and wholly unconstructive language. I wasn’t aware of any part played by Markson in the attacks on him. As a result of a little searching I have just come across a Tweet by Tim Smith MLA for Burwood [still I think] attacking Carllto n. A good enemy to have right now if one has to have enemies

    • Replies: @schnellandine
  281. @Yee

    It’s the title of this article —-I am OK until I get to the forth word reading “intelligence” and then I suffer dissonance ——is intelligence to be on the same level as Maxwell Smart of earlier Times in “GET SMART” who spoke into a shoe and had to get information from the Cone of Silence with Agent 99 to upend CHAOS —— Things have NOT changed —-Smart = Intelligence =Joke.

  282. @Ron Unz

    If Unz is banned on Facebook —a Great Reason to read UNZ —-Go Ron Go—without Ron Unz where can a person go to get some great infommation and exchange thought –Ron Unz is Great !!!

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  283. @Von Rho

    Mainland China will now have Robots manufacturing Robots commencing next week–for for thought–you manufacture without labour—-

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  284. @Half Back

    The CDC’s December, 2019 infection rate means 4-6 million Americans had had the virus earlier than December, 2019. They didn’t all suddenly appear in December.

    Since Covid deaths double every six weeks when left unchecked, and January 2021 had more than 95,000 deaths, a regression from the peak death dates also supports earlier dates. Do the math.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  285. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Assuming you really would like to know that you might be quite wrong about Tim Harford I copy for you what I have just come across after enjoying a variety of his podcasts on a huge range of subjects, the latest being how intelligent anysis of data could have detected Dr Harold Shipman’s murders long before he had murdered 200-250 people.

    He’s a former World Bank economist who became a prolific journalist and the author of one of Steve Levitt’s favorite books, The Undercover Economist. Tim Harford lives in England, where he’s made it his mission to help the public understand statistics and hosts the podcast Cautionary Tales. In their conversation, Steve gives Tim some feedback on his new book, The Data Detective, contemplates if it’s possible to tell great stories with data, and Tim explains how making mistakes can be fun.

    Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Radio Public, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

  286. Dumbo says:
    @Von Rho

    What is Japan now?

    I don’t know, but Japan looks much better as a place to live than any country in the West today.

    (Despite its population problems, and the marriage/fertility crisis, it has less cultural destruction than the West, and little non-Japanese immigration.)

    Perhaps the lesson is, don’t try to be a superpower, just make your own people a priority?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Von Rho
  287. Sean says:
    @Von Rho

    Studying the problem of the origin of the virus, it is important to know that China is a puppet of Western bankers.

    There may be people in the Deep State who fear and hate China, but the most important part of the Deep State is Wall Street, to which China is a source of immense future profit. Bankers loathed Trumpism’s policies of disengagement from their cash cow.

    There is always the Deep State, but while the CIA may be important when it comes down to it the army alone has real power. For example the generals were openly contemptuous of JFK. Anyone who wants to know where the army stands on China ought to refresh their memory on what General Milley was up to with phone calls to his Chinese military pals promising to betray American plans to them.. The Deep State take their cue from the bankers.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  288. @Dumbo

    In 1945 it would have been hard to find two more different economically modern countries than Japan and Australia and after that Australia, only, grew rapidly through European, including non British (Anglo-Celtic), immigration followed by largely skilled/educated Asian immigration. So Japan and Australia remain very different but I have young relations whose mother is Japanese and has a happy stable marriage. The children suffer not at all from being bi (actually multi) lingual half Asians. I suspect that their mother, and other Japanese wives in Australia would give a vote for Australia being the better country to live in because, tipping the scale, women are still very unequal in Japan. Not, I suppose that they can’t be strong-minded matriarchs still in Japan, often bringing up the child or two a long way from her husband’s place of work, but what does that amount to when family size has been reduced by 80%? I have just learned a very odd fact. It took over 35 years for the contraceptive pill to be legalised in Japan. Viagra? Oh, two years.

  289. hillaire says:
    @rufus clyde

    It is always a pleasure to gaze upon an isle of intelligence and perspicacity amidst this endless sea of drab imbecilia and duplicitous henchmen..

    well done sir !..

  290. Von Rho says:
    @Dumbo

    What Japan wanted in the past or wants now does not matter. I was telling about the belief that Japan would take over the world, a myth in which it was now replaced by China without any criticism from Western public opinion. Tell me a famous Chinese, Korean or Japanese philosopher. There is not. Byung Chul Han now is German, pupil of Sloterdjik and Heidegger.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  291. hillaire says:
    @AReply

    Ron likes to blow his own trumpet and seems to be plagued by the vagaries, correlation and coincidence…

    at best, he just seems to echo Ariadnes threads spun and dangled into the maggot media by Langley square heads and psycho babblers in the ivory towers.. with his own ‘spin’…

    His Asylum Pravda series isn’t anything anybody with a brain wasn’t already aware of, it was however already seeping ‘out’… we know…

    Let us hope he doesn’t end up on the same page as Gnome Chumpsky….calling for the internment of all his ‘readers’….

  292. Von Rho says:
    @GomezAdddams

    All these devices have bottlenecks that depend on Western technology. The creator would never give the creature resources to be surpassed. Furthermore, there are other areas where China is undeveloped, such as aerospace engines, biotechnology (see the number of foreign scientists involved in the c19 affair), etc., as shown by a recent report from US Congress Research Service.

  293. Von Rho says:
    @Von Rho

    PS: as example, a CRS report about the topic of the Dragon with bare feet.

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11719

  294. bjondo says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Since Covid deaths double every six weeks when left unchecked, and January 2021 had more than 95,000 deaths

    I didn’t come close to realizing Cuomo, Newsome, doctors without consciences,
    doctored reports, killed so many, so deadly.

    I thought it was all BS and money grubbing. Plus evil.

    5 dancing shlomos

  295. @Wizard of Oz

    Despite a typo that my damaged eyes didn’t pick up how could that have been anything but a compliment to Ron Unz?

    Staying too long in front of the screen will do no good to your eyes. It is quite possible that I interpretred erroneously your sentence. And not ONE typo…

    BTW is it a policy decision to use “ad personam” instead of the long established “ad hominen’?

    If you don’t know the difference, go educate yourself.

    Ultime stratagème
    Soyez personnel, insultant, malpoli
    Lorsque l’on se rend compte que l’adversaire nous est supérieur et nous ôte toute raison,
    il faut alors devenir personnel, insultant, malpoli. Cela consiste à passer du sujet de la dispute
    (que l’on a perdue), au débatteur lui-même en attaquant sa personne : on pourrait appeler ça
    un argumentum ad personam pour le distinguer de l’argumentum ad hominem, ce dernier
    passant de la discussion objective du sujet à l’attaque de l’adversaire en le confrontant à ses
    admissions ou à ses paroles par rapport à ce sujet. En devenant personnel, on abandonne lesujet lui-même pour attaquer la personne elle-même : on devient insultant, malveillant,
    injurieux, vulgaire.

    Schopenhauer

  296. @Von Rho

    Whenever the Yankee racists attempt to hamstring China by sanctioning some technology or other, all they do is decrease their exports to China, raise the US trade deficit, and provoke the Chinese to create such technology themselves. I know racists are dumb, but this takes the cake.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  297. @Von Rho

    I do love dumb, arrogant, Western racist thugs. NO Chinese ‘philosophers’? What an ignorant pig you are.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  298. @Sean

    Oh, sean-have they cloned you? A malicious dumb-fuck Sinophobe as stupid and ignorant as you, this Van Rho. I can smell your fear, ghastly creature, and its like frankinsense.

    • Replies: @Sean
  299. @Sean

    Who did set up those research programs? Who was/is financing them? All what you and your likes are doing is to frame Shi Zhengli to avoid naming the real culprits.

    Ron is thinking quite naively that the covid bioweapon was launched into China by rogue elements of the State. Of course not. Like for 911, it must have come from the top once the epidemy had started in the US. It was necessary to frame Shi Zhengli and the Wuhan lab and what better opportunity than the military games which started on the 18 october, very same day as the Events201 in NY?

    The big mistake was to warn as early as november the US bases of SE Asia of a coming epidemy. They tried to deny, but Israel medias confirmed. Too bad. Of course they warned because they knew because they started it.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Sean
  300. Interesting, though your attempt to show off doesn’t disguise your failure to answer my question, based on the fact that “ad hominem” is indeed the standard form used by English speakers. A search provides little evidence that any difference in meaning has been established. I haven’t time right now to check Scopenhauer’s original German against your French version but content myself with noting that a straight answer to me would simply have sad “I was using the usual French version”. Fair enough as you are a native French speaker. I think BTW you don’t use “typo” idiomatically as a native English speaker would.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  301. Anyone should read this:

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/REPORT-of-the-International-Scientific-Commission/0ae9c48acb11f73810f41dd6c566fc9dd1bf3232

    to understand that biological weapons were already used against China and not by “rogue” elements.

  302. @Wizard of Oz

    I have never followed Mike Carlton, partly because I tend to cut out of consideration people who frequently resort to very intemperate and wholly unconstructive language.

    Almost chuckled reading that, as you are one of the more remarkably dispassionate commenters here. Did you work at it, or is it natural? I’ll never make it that far, but admire people who do it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  303. @schnellandine

    The habit I worked on after two years, post graduation, working for the most masterful user of precise language to express conclusions based on very precise apprehension of the facts, has made it now difficult for me, other than for satirical purposes, not to feel discomfort if I depart from a precise dispassionate approach. I have often said that he provided my real education and set my standards though I might rarely e able to live up to his. You may find it faintly amusing that, at first glance, I saw the word “dispassionate” and thought it might mean you were critical rather than complimentary till I confirmed, with relief, that you were one of UR’s writers of educated, discriminating English. Thanks.

    • Thanks: schnellandine
  304. skrik says:
    @Olivier1973

    Of course they warned because they knew because they started it

    Bravo! IF it were mine to ‘give’ THEN you would get the highest grade of the “Occam’s razor” award for excellence. Further, we don’t need to examine ‘intentional/accidental,’ see the EVALI [non-infective] ‘test run.’ Then they added the FCS in and ‘let it rip.’ For some proof, see the 2019 blood-test results: (1), “SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, was present in the U.S. as far back as December 2019” and (2), “SARS-CoV-2 may have been introduced into the United States prior to 19 January 2020” then Q1: How far back could they go? Q2: Could we get a genome-readout from samples collected from EVALI victims’ lungs? Haw. From ZUSA, nothing but lies & obfuscations, etc.. rgds

  305. @GomezAdddams

    I recall a line from the 1960s underground farce “Principia Discordia.” TL;DR: it’s a satirical manifesto for a new religion. In one passage it says (more or less): “The State does not recognize Discordianism. Which is fair enough, as Discordianism doesn’t recognize the State.”

  306. skrik says:
    @Captain Morningwood

    The so called virus was never isolated and purified

    Bullshít! Such lies should be identified as such and condemned in the strongest of terms. See this, say:

    “Isolation and rapid sharing of the 2019 novel coronavirus (SARS‐CoV‐2) from the first patient diagnosed with COVID‐19 in Australia
    ..
    Published online: 13 April 2020”
    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/212/10/isolation-and-rapid-sharing-2019-novel-coronavirus-sars-cov-2-first-patient rgds

  307. @Wizard of Oz

    your failure to answer my question, based on the fact that “ad hominem” is indeed the standard form used by English speakers.

    Ad populum fallacy.

    My answer is that if an English speaker is unable to distinguish between ad hominem and ad personam fallacies, the best thing he has to do is to educate yourself, unless you have something against education. And I provided you with an explanatory quote.

    Ah, you do not trust the French translation?! I feel sorry for you.

    [MORE]

    Letzter Kunstgriff
    Wenn man merkt, daß der Gegner überlegen ist
    und man Unrecht behalten wird, so werde man
    persönlich, beleidigend, grob. Das Persönlichwerden besteht darin, daß man von dem Gegenstand des Streites (weil man da verlornes Spiel
    hat) abgeht auf den Streitenden und seine Person
    irgend wie angreift: man könnte es nennen
    argumentum ad personam, zum Unterschied
    vom argumentum ad hominem: dieses geht vom
    rein objektiven Gegenstand ab, um sich an das zu
    halten, was der Gegner darüber gesagt oder
    zugegeben hat. Beim Persönlichwerden aber
    verläßt man den Gegenstand ganz, und richtet
    seinen Angriff auf die Person des Gegners : man
    wird also kränkend, hämisch, beleidigend, grob.
    Es ist eine Appellation von den Kräften des
    Geistes an die des Leibes, oder an die Tierheit.
    Diese Regel ist sehr beliebt, weil jeder zur Ausführung tauglich ist, und wird daher häufig
    angewandt.

    Glad that you can read and understand German. I gave the French version because it is the one I had at hand. Now I have also the German original. Thank to you. Thanks!

    Next will you tell me that I fabricated this quote?

  308. Von Rho says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Why don’t you pay attention to my words instead of jumping to wrong conclusions? Where are there any words of hatred or even contempt against the Chinese people? Your reaction just gives me reason to conclude that you have difficulty abstracting the thought. I was talking about cultural steps. Comte has given the best analysis of ancient Chinese culture. They remained in the stage of animism, or the belief that everything has a soul, as Taoism claims. Upon surpassing the Great Fetish (our Earth), humanity observed the sky and studied the movement of the stars, giving rise to astrononomy, understanding the stars first as zoomorphic entities and then as gods. The concept of gods, absent in Taoism, gave rise to abstraction (induction, etc.), which increased with monotheism. The latter, paradoxically, favored abstract thinking and created obstacles to scientific progress, which triumphed and surpassed theological beliefs. Not having the priesthood that is created along with the study of the stars, China has developed a class of public officials, the mandarinate. This lack of tradition in abstract thinking made them a culture with less tradition in philosophy and, consequently, in social development as a whole: respect for human rights, culture, etc. They have a hard time understanding “the other” like you, who spews all this hatred because you don’t have a democratic approach to accepting different points of view. China was indirectly dominated by the West, on which they depend. Tactical technical development does not matter, otherwise Nazi Germany would have won. Try reviewing reports on the real state of Chinese technology these days. Even Russians know that China will soon collapse.

    • Troll: d dan, Biff
  309. Von Rho says:

    Your phrase corroborates what I said previously.

  310. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    Who did set up those research programs? Who was/is financing them? All what you and your likes are doing is to frame Shi Zhengli to avoid naming the real culprits.

    The only people who could benefit from an American cabal’s plot to not only attack China with a deadly bioweapon, but frame the Chinese for a lab accident into the bargain are the leadership of Russia. Indeed, anyone obeying such a cabal in carrying out a bioweapon mass murder and frame up, even if obeying orders from CIA superiors purporting to be acting on the secret orders of President Donald Trump, would have no way of knowing whether they were actually being manipulated by a Russian intelligence operation.

    I hate to keep hammering away at this, but framing a country with a three million strong professional army and a range of nuclear weapons from battlefield up to strategic ICBMs (capable of turning the Beltway into a radioactive dead zone) means that China cannot be intimidated out of conventional war by a nuclear umbrella. China certainly cannot be defeated in a conventional land war in on the mainland such as an attack of South Korea would be. If the current pandemic was a US bioweapon, China simply would have to immediately deter a follow up bioweapon attack by America, and the there would be only one credible way; by demonstrating:-

    Please don’t say that the Chinese have decided to turn the other cheek, it was amortal threat to their existence,and a repeat would finish them. Nor it it likely that the CIA has fooled the Chinese into thinking that their lab in Wuhan was responsible. The government of China know what happened, whatever it was. If it was an American attack then the Chinese understand that.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @El Dato
  311. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    China is solar panel maker to the Western greenhouse gas emission reducing countries because China manufactures using cheaper coal fired electricity generation. Almost half of the energy that Germany now produces is from renewables such as solar panels. German makes capital good to sell to China, which uses them to reap profits by making solar panels and almost everything else for the rest of the world, especially the rest of the world unable to compete on price, the European Union aims to be carbon neutral in thirty years.

    Western pensions funds have committees on values and ethics which are subservient to the carbon neutral strictures coming down from the EU and conferences like the recent Glasgow one. As a result all public companies are divesting from oil ECT (just as they years ago they gve up tobacco investments that are still giving massive returns for less scrupulous nd publicly accountable). https://www.blackrock.com/uk/individual/insights/climate-change-and-resource-scarcity

    The hedge funds are buying up the carbon generating investments and reaping huge profits. So what is happening is as a result of decisions at the top of the WEIRD West, is a massive transfer of wealth to the already rich folk with their hedge funds at the cost of working people’s pensions. The ordinary person will have a front room full of Chinese consumer goods, but no manufacturing job to go to.

    Meanwhile the elite in the West will increasingly be a financialised hypercapitalist one. The ethical values of the Westeners are their downfall. You could see that in the opposition to what Trump was saying about the origin of the pandemic among the establishment elites, MSM nd social medi companies. The whole tenor of public life in the west hs become pacified and idealizes non violence and international cooperation, which is why the American Department Of Defence gave the Wuhan Virology Institute hundreds of millions of dollars for their experiments that increased the transmissibility of the 30% bat coronaviruses. and why General Milley’ is so pally with China’s top generals that he called and told them that he would tip them off in the event of war. The Deep State are intent on going along with Wall Street’s plan for national suicide. Those in the Deep Sate who raise objections like Brigadier Rob Spading did re immediately removed from any position of influence.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  312. Von Rho says:

    “Russians are good to sacrifice themselves”, I listened in a Russian TV series. China, by other hand, as an Afrasian nation, does not have the Western development of diplomacy achieved in modern times, so they cannot deal with a clash at that level in the international sphere. Only the interests of Wall Street and the City that have ensured their surviving and temporary success so far. But I insist that if it was actually an attack of bioweapon, it was done under the command of a transnational secret organization or society.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  313. @Von Rho

    What a malicious, malevolent, malignant racist cretin you are. ‘Temporary success’? Do you mean 5000 years of civilization and the greatest economic-welfare-scientific leap in history? Imbecile!!!

    • Replies: @Von Rho
    , @Wizard of Oz
  314. @Sean

    ndeed, anyone obeying such a cabal in carrying out a bioweapon mass murder and frame up, even if obeying orders from CIA superiors purporting to be acting on the secret orders of President Donald Trump, would have no way of knowing whether they were actually being manipulated by a Russian intelligence operation.

    Are you sane, sean?

    • Replies: @Sean
  315. Von Rho says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    By the way, what “greatest economic-welfare-scientific leap in history” is that? Megalomaniacs of people that do not recognize the other. There is nothing more ignorant than a Chinese tourist in Europe. in Venice they stay at a hotel only there is only Chinese speaking, Chinese food, Chinese decoration. They could stay at home watching internet. Five thousand years! Rrrssss! Neanderthal’s culture last for 120 thousand years. You loose!

  316. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You may well be right In implicitly denying that China’s recent success is temporary but your boilerplate propaganda “5000 years of civilisation” only draws attention to the extraordinary discontinuities in that 5000 years and the huge deficits in what we now regard as civilised for nearly all that 5000 years. Not that getting sentimental about any of our ancestors of 400 generations ago makes sense.

    • Agree: Von Rho
    • Replies: @Von Rho
  317. @Sean

    I suspect that you are insane. Public life in the West has been ‘pacified’ only in the poppy dreams of lunatics. Western societies are riven by internecine hatred, aka ‘party politics’. The introduction of vaccine mandates, after copious promises that they would not be so, contrary to the Nuremberg Principles and the World Medical Association Helsinki Declaration of 1964, costing people unprepared to be injected with experimental, ineffectual and dangerous gene therapy substances, their jobs, their entertainment, their travel and, probably, in the end, their liberty, is pure totalitarianism and tyrannous repression. If that is your idea of ‘pacification’ it must be in the Vietnam War sense of the expression. Not forgeting relentless Western aggression abroad, particularly in the MENA, and in the rest of Africa. The rest is your usual Sinophobe gibberish.

    • Agree: skrik
    • Replies: @Sean
  318. Von Rho says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The “imaginary” of the current world is made by the Western vision through its philosophy, history, etc. This is what Zizek calls “the presence of the ‘Real’ in ideology”. For example, when a Muslim country calls itself as “Islamic Republic”, they are embracing Western concepts even if they call America “the great Satan”, because “republic” is a concept derived from Western human development. I laugh a lot when I see these people squishing their purchases into the trunk of their Bentley at Selfridge in London, just as we notice all the Asian millionaires wearing Italian Pal Zileri suits, made with Loropianna fabrics, and not wearing Chinese, Indian or Japanese clothes. People who grew up outside of Western influence, but who have inevitably absorbed Western culture, as the latter is more global and pervasive, are more confused than enlightened by our achievements and discoveries, so they must escape into a fictitious and glorious past of “five a thousand years” to keep their self-esteem in balance. If you pull them out of this fictitious belief of the past, they lose their balance and freak out. I must recognize that the opposite is true. Western people who are disadjusted like to escape to a fictitious non Western reality: they convert themselves to things such as veganism, mixing it with Oriental doctrines, such as Buddhism, etc., often having about these one “peace and love” misconceptions which have nothing to do with reality.

    • Troll: d dan
  319. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    BlackRock is the world’s largest asset manager; they are invested to the utmost in China, and promoting retail investments in the country (they get privileged access an in return they presure Western governements to let China continue de industrialazing America), So BlackRock are pouring funds into and counting on China in the expectation of stupendous returns unto the already wealthy clients of BlackRock. In all this BlackRock is far from being an anomaly; they are highly representative of the American elite, which is basically being paid off by China.

    But what is BlackRock doing in the West? Well, as has been said “the intertwining of the U.S. and Chinese economies has given China substantial power here in the United States. It really hasn’t given America any political power in Beijing.” American corporate giants are woke to the utmost domestically (see Bill Gates, Larry Fink on Clean-Energy Push) .

    BlackRock’s Larry Fink turns up the heat on company bosses …https://www.fnlondon.com › articles › blackrocks-larry-fi…
    26 Jan 2021 — BlackRock’s Larry Fink turns up the heat on company bosses over climate change and diversity · Fink called on companies to disclose their plans

    In China the environment is torn apart like a car in a wrecking yard, and Muslims are in concentration camps, but Cina as world champion carbon polluter and having prison complexes in Xinjiang housing millions of inmates come second to profits for Larry Fink. It is all the same thing this Deep State and Wall Street, General Milley’s action are proof of that.

    So when you go on about racism, you are merely identifying yourself as a minion of the hypocritical elite that loathes Trump almost as much as patriotic working white Americans who got tagged as racists for objecting to China raping the West while their own elites hold it down. You have picked the right side, well played!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  320. Von Rho says:

    The stooge you mentioned who occupied the White House is as authentic as the “nationalism” of the ugly man in the video you posted (can you imagine torture worse than hearing his wife sing?). To drive the herd, you must have a right and a left wing (how can you hold anything without opposing thumb and forefinger movements?). But what is the cultural horizon of a typical redneck? They believe in “cultural Marxism”, an expression that has nothing to do with Gramsci, are kitsch, creationists, covid deniers and flat-earthers. What to expect from people like that except being ready for slaughter?

  321. They say they are happy with the results. All seventeen of them. Ecstatic. Everything they wanted and more.

    • LOL: some_loon
  322. https://irp.fas.org/world/china/mss/history.htm

    History of Chinese Intelligence Agencies

    Note a Li prominent in the beginning of operations

    One can ask…. If the COVID World Psyop was a joint venture of the Globalist top Financiers in the UK/EU – World Economic Forum/ US / Rothschild controlled Israel/ Chinese Globalists- Chinese Illuminati…. then what are the top Chinese Intelligence Agencies not telling us?

    This is a Global – Illuminati plot There are Illuminati players in all the countries involved – just like WW2 as explained by Douglas Reed in The Controversy of Zion.

    They/IT want alot of people from all countries to die, economies to collapse, the world monetary – issue a digital world currency/corporate/banking/governments to be even more directly controlled by them – The Illuminati.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  323. Sean says:
    @Olivier1973

    J. J. Angleton was convinced that multiple people in the CIA, including the head of its USSR section, were Soviet agents. There were those at the top of the CIA who thought that Trump was a Russian agent of influence.

    Current Russian policy also represents a complete rejection of the logic of the Reagan-era Scowcroft report, which urged de-MIRVing of all U.S. ICBMs and has resulted in this. According to the Defense Intelligence Agency, “…prior to 2010, no SRF [Strategic Rocket Force] road-mobile ICBMs carried MIRVs; by the early 2020s, all will do so.”

    Unlike China, Putin has a force capable of destroying America. but unlike China Russia has no prospects of supplanting America as the world’s most powerful economy.

    The trouble with Ron Unz is his knowledge of what must result from the genetic qualities of the population of China is so far ahead of other people that he has difficulty understanding how oblivious American elites are to those facts. I think Ron massively exaggerates the extent to which the US Deep State and cabals within it comprehend the future prospects of China in economic competition with America. Biden and Milley are both on record as saying China is going to forever remain in the US’s shadow.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  324. Von Rho says:
    @ImaBotKnot

    1) The expression “Rothschild controlled Israel” suggests something such as the belief in the opposite, that is in the existence of “good jews who are not controlled by globalists”. This concept reinforces the fact that all antisemitism is agaisnt the imaginary jew, not the real jew. Today, the “good jew” is christian-sionist, armed, pro-Western and attached to conservative values. The bad one is who does not fill these criteria. Pure redneck BS.
    2) The expression “Chinese illuminati” does not consider that the top brass of global elite is Western. They created China and they will collapse it soon, as they did with Japan. Of course, as you told, they have people working for them in all countries.

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  325. Public health zealots are majority liberal university types and they saw an opportunity to draw attention and funding in for themselves with this bug and to create trouble for their nemesis Trump.
    On the other-hand the Republicans used it to raid the treasury to mount a big giveaway project for their wealthy friends.

  326. @Von Rho

    Well maybe I’ll git out of my hidey hole under my gooseneck trailer where I been sitti’n with my .22 Single Shot wait’in with my Coon Dog, Col Sanders to sic’him on the coon that’s been goin through the neighbor trash leavins. Good eatin fried Coon with pabst blue ribbon and a can of beans and a fudge sickle for desert. – to answer you. Or maybe not, there a havin a end of season sale on Bug Zappers at the Walmart.

    As to point one Not everyone in any class religion race is bad or unredeemable and it is kinda an appeal to any Mossad/ Israeli Military Intelligence who might not be aware of Albert Pike’s Plan for Three World Wars that the regular Jews of Israel are to be destroyed also, to wake up to the Globalist destruction of the world. Also where will all the US Jewish people go when the US is reduced to a third world country. I think all the immigrants into Europe will be neutralized after they have served the Illuminati purpose of collapsing economies.

    As to point two A former mid-level American Illuminati was told that after the Global collapse the pecking order among the Illuminati would be #1 The European Illuminati – kinda my order here just a guess to include UK House kinda financial, Italian house occultish, German house more occultist and industry, Swiss/Austrian house, French House, Denmark/Netherlands/Belgian banking digital world currency/ military dispatch kinda #2 Russian House kinda military technology enforcers #3 Chinese House kinda in charge of industrial slaves the rest Third World countries to include the United States after economic collapse and limited nuclear events, with the rest of the Third World/US controlled by the European, Russian and Chinese Illuminati. I guess the chosen US Illuminati would relocate to Europe ( like maybe Michell Bachman having a house in Switzerland? ) Israel as a Temple complex to mock God? But at this stage I do not know how corrupted Russia is or is not. So I agree with you on your second point.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  327. @Von Rho

    They will ‘collapse’ China, the world’s largest and by far the most productive economy, with its banks in Government hands, forty-seven trillion in private savings, the world’s now leading scientific/technological base and 90-95% popular approval of the Government, will they? Racist idiocy hardly comes stupider than this deranged wishful thinking.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  328. @Sean

    The Chinese observe that destroying the USA once is sufficient. The maniacal US desire to have the means to destroy Russia and China ten times over, is typically psychopathic. By the by, James Jesus Angleton was a General in the KGB. Higher than Philby, a mere Colonel.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Anon
  329. @Sean

    Yes, sean, we know that you are a racist Sinophobe of low mentality and little credibility, although you outline the malfeasance of Black Rock and the like pretty accurately. But thereafter it’s just the same puerile, racist, fear-driven lies of the hyper-aggressive Western supremacist, both enraged and terrified that a bunch of ‘slopes’ have so greatly outshone the glorious White Men like sean. Pathetic.

    • Troll: BuelahMan
  330. Von Rho says:
    @ImaBotKnot

    “Not everyone in any class religion race is bad or unredeemable and it is kinda an appeal to any Mossad/ Israeli Military Intelligence who might not be aware of Albert Pike’s Plan for Three World Wars that the regular Jews of Israel are to be destroyed also”

    1a) Of course there are good people everywhere, but unfortunately the people who work for IS follow orders.

    1b) Don’t believe Pike’s “plans” because they were manipulated according to the times: at the time of Vietnam they said “it’s the third war foreseen by Pike, which would start in Southeast Asia!”

    “Third World countries to include the United States after economic collapse and limited nuclear events, with the rest of the Third World/US controlled by the European, Russian and Chinese Illuminati. I guess the chosen US Illuminati would relocate to Europe”

    2a) Everyone who bet against the US lost (“America is decadent, will be destroyed”, said the Axis in the 1930s; “The Japanese are disciplined and will dominate the world while the Americans are fat and decadent”, said the films of Hollywood in the 80s ).

    2b) Where do the “illuminati” (latu sense) live? The idea of places to escape, like New Zealand, Appalachians, etc. it’s ridiculous. I know rich people who moved to Patagonia because they were afraid of mass immigration into developed countries… and their mansion was robbed by poor locals when the owners were traveling.

  331. Von Rho says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “Popular approval”? Perhaps you refer to Orwell’s envisioned system for East Asian countries as “ego obliteration”, here as “social credits”. You don’t miss anything waiting. The day China collapses will not be like the housing crisis in Japan or the fall of the Berlin Wall, but a bloodshed that will make the 1989 Tianamen Square uprising a kindergarten game, and this is not mine opinion, but from a Russian sinologist, Andrey Fursov.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  332. Bumpkin says:
    @Ron Unz

    I stopped using google last year, despite being an early adopter who used it for decades, after reading and confirming that they banned this site. I’m stunned when I sporadically try tougher searches there now at how bad their search quality has become, often much worse than my new default, DuckDuckGo (search.brave.com also appears to be very good).

    Btw Ron, have you seen the Robert Malone video that someone just posted in the newslinks, at thenewamerican.com? In it, Malone claims past the hour mark that Michael Callahan, who was reportedly in China very early on and has been mentioned by Whitney Webb, is a CIA officer, not just a doctor, who then worked for Kadlec. Not sure what to make of it all, but you may want to look into it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  333. @Ben the Layabout

    Public health people determine all statistical items including case definitions, how a case is counted, what is a case, so they are in the drivers seat. Simply having the virus doesn’t mean it caused death.

  334. Ron Unz says:
    @Bumpkin

    Btw Ron, have you seen the Robert Malone video that someone just posted in the newslinks, at thenewamerican.com? In it, Malone claims past the hour mark that Michael Callahan, who was reportedly in China very early on and has been mentioned by Whitney Webb, is a CIA officer, not just a doctor, who then worked for Kadlec. Not sure what to make of it all, but you may want to look into it.

    I remember looking into Callahan’s presence a few months ago, and although the timing of his presence in Wuhan and his close association with Kadlec certainly seemed rather suspicious, I couldn’t find anything more than that sort of “smoke.”

  335. probably carried out by rogue elements of our national security establishment…

    You add this proviso in most of your articles on this subject, but it is the one part of your analysis that strikes me as most hollow. Why “rogue elements”? You note that, in 2017, “Trump brought in Robert Kadlec… one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates,” and that “large-scale … simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak” in China were carried out early in 2019 (“Crimson Contagion”). “Large-scale simulations” are not carried out by “rogue elements.” You might also have noted some of the points made by “Metallicman” in his article which you republished early last year (though I cannot now find the article on your website): e.g., that, on Dec. 20, 2017, “the US Government lifted a ban on developing dangerous Germ bioweapons”; again, that, in May 2018, the American pandemic response team at the National Security Council was disbanded, with its offices taken over by John Bolton and reorganized into “a military offensive organization.” There is also plentiful evidence of coronavirus research being subsidised by the US military for at least the past couple of decades, with presumably bioweapons as one of its primary aims. (Dr. David Martin, who has studied the history of coronavirus patents, maintains that the East Asian SARS outbreak of 2002-2003 was itself the product of a US-engineered bioweapon; he has bluntly said, “We made SARS.”) The overall impression is not of actions taken by “rogue elements,” but of highly coordinated actions taken at the highest levels of the US government. Your view that, if such actions were indeed implemented, it was “probably without presidential authorization,” seems completely gratuitous.

    http://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

  336. @anon

    You imply that the intelligence agencies of other countries attacked by the US will fight the CIA. Presumably you mean weaker countries as the US doesn’t overtly attack great powers. In order to succeed, won’t these smaller countries need to be joined by some of the larger countries (the “great powers”)? That seems highly unlikely. Looks more like the oligarchs have made their deals and think they can carve up the globe in the “great reset”. Including Russia and China. Otherwise why wouldn’t Russia and China be using early treatments (ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, and others) to eradicate the disease as has been done in most states in India? Obviously they know these things work but the fact that they are allowing this parade of lies and horrors in their own countries speaks volumes. Not trying to dispense despair here but we need to recognize what we are up against. The solution is unlikely to come from foreign intelligence agencies. It has to start with a moral awakening of the people everywhere.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  337. Sean says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Angleton was a deluded drunk who thought the KGB were ten feet tall, and he prestige was damaged by him trusting Philby and being made a fool of; Angleton was sent of the rails by being duped like that. Todays generals are not WW2 Germans .

    the American Deep State only violate the chain of command to prevent war, witness General Milley’s treachery. Did the US have the atomic bomb years before the USSR? Did the US cut off military aid to Chiang Kai-shek’s nationalists in 1947? Did General Milley promised to warn China of anything the US might have planned against China?

    The US elite want to make money, and that is what they are successfully doing with China; the American Deep State are lickspittles for the US financialzing elite and the top of the Deep Stae in the US are , Like General Milley co-conspirators of the Chinese. The end result will be the supplanting of America as the world’s most powerful economy, and wealth beyond the dreams of avarice for the Western hypercapitalist elite, who see working whites rather than China as their number one enemy. The Western elite love China, and China is clever enough to avoid alarm dolts like General Milley by mounting a challenge to US to America’s on-paper nuke superiority by building a relatively powerful SSBN and ICBM force. They could if they wanted to.

    The Chinese ICBMs do not even have warheads attached, in many cases their thermonuclear warheads are stored in separate facilities; they are intent of keeping their good relations with General Milley and the rest of the American Deep State leadership. Eventually even the Milley types will begin to wake up to America’s weakening position, but it will take twenty years. Indeed Xi may deliberately reduce China’s military capacity to put off the aforementioned day of reckoning. Biden will be long dead by then.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  338. @Von Rho

    that will make the 1989 Tianamen Square uprising

    Congratultions! If you are not yet on the CIA payroll, soon you will be.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  339. Von Rho says:
    @Olivier1973

    Unfortunately, my Aristotelian background makes me a “persona non grata” to those Platonist morons.

  340. Von Rho says:
    @ShineALight

    There is no “early treatment” for a respiratory virus. What you said about India are proven fake news, also denied by the Indian government. What the right-wing has not yet learned is that Attali’s 2009 forecast knew that the solution to the pandemic would be the vaccine, which needs more public and social intervention, as advocated by neo-Malthusian globalist capitalism (which the rednecks call “Marxism” ), while the aforementioned ineffective medicines must be taken individually, as advocated by anarcho-capitalism, a failed ideology (“There is no society, only individuals and families”).

  341. @Sean

    Milley was only speaking of a sneak attack launched by Trump, as he struggled with the stolen election. You don’t really believe otherwise, do you. Fear and hatred of the ‘Yellow Peril’ has addled your brain.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  342. @kyparissiotes

    And bio-warfare preparations and attacks are as American as apple-pie. The USA operates a vast archipelago of bio-warfare labs around the world, many surrounding Russia and China, several in Ukraine alone. Prospecting for potential zoonoses to be used as bio-weapons has gone on at least since the 1950s.

  343. Ron Unz says:
    @kyparissiotes

    You add this proviso in most of your articles on this subject, but it is the one part of your analysis that strikes me as most hollow. Why “rogue elements”?

    It’s a matter of semantics. Based upon his insouciant behavior once the virus began to spread into America early 2020, I think it’s extraordinarily unlikely that Donald Trump was aware that Covid was a bioweapon, let alone that America had deployed it against China (and Iran). If the president doesn’t authorize such a military attack, I’d say it’s a “rogue operation” by definition. However, as I’ve repeatedly emphasized, I strongly suspect that the attack was orchestrated by top figures in his national security establishment, with Pompeo or Bolton being the most likely suspects:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#outline-of-the-hypothetical-biowarfare-attack-scenario

    My very lengthy summary of the Covid outbreak was published a few months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    And here’s the link to that very lengthy “Metallicman” piece, which dropped off the home page long ago:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage/

    • Replies: @Von Rho
    , @Americanviru
  344. Von Rho says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    There is no “stolen election”, a paranoid delusion. This strategy of claiming elections were stolen is growing around the world as a right-wing strategy for the poor middle class who cannot accept that the dream is over. Pepe on a live with his peers from his country explained how in the key states there were many dissatisfied voters from different social strata who allowed the known result. But suddenly after he endorsed the “stolen election” idea. As we can see, even right-wing columnists are venal enough to hold back the lie.

  345. Von Rho says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Director, could you briefly explain in a summary your main ideas about the pandemic exposed in all articles aforementioned: who, when, where, why, how? A frankstein virus, however contagious and harmful it might be, would soon be inactivated within a few weeks. If there, the property of mutating into more dangerous variants means that they have been produced all this time as well as they were spread to different places, which presupposes a perfectly structured organization to do so, otherwise the secrecy would leak out.

  346. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Chinese observe that destroying the USA once is sufficient.

    It’s not as simple as that. Indeed, by sheer undeniable logic, destroying any entity ONCE is not merely sufficient, it’s also a level of death and destruction that, by definition, cannot be exceeded even one iota. Can’t kill a man, family, country or race more than ONE TIME, right?

    It’s my assumption that China has refrained, for decades, from building up its nuclear arsenal out of a desire to reassure the “collective West” that they wished us no harm. It’s all of a piece of China’s renouncing support for insurgents and revolutionaries, playing neutral in the old Western-Soviet Cold War, and devoting little funding for its military. As part of all that, the nuclear force was also left to wither and even stagnate.

    But then came the pivot to Asia (Obama) and the Trade War/Cold War 2.0 (Trump), all initiated not by China, but by us. Clearly, for some unfathomable reason, the U.S. has decided that China’s mostly economic, political and scientific advance could not continue. Unable to compete in civilian pursuits, America reached for its only viable tool – military power.

    The Chinese are now engaged in a nuclear build up of their own. They deny it vigorously, but even the Federation of American Scientists, who track nuclear weapons matters, believe that China is increasing its nuclear capability.

    It’s a broad based effort. They are developing the full cycle – mining uranium and thorium (thorium is a byproduct of rare earths mining), refining fissile materials, production of warheads, manufacturing launch vehicles. This is a build up China could have done decades ago, in the ’90s or early 2000s at the latest. They didn’t want to, obviously.

    Satellites have already uncovered almost 400 new silos. What isn’t known for certain, but certainly taking place, are large increases in warheads on mobile ICBMS, hypersonic cruise missiles, submarines and bombers.

    The message all this is delivering is clear: A nuclear war with China is utterly and assuredly mutual suicide.

  347. W says:
    @AReply

    Do you have a specific grievance with the people of this site? You’re kinda vague for a guy who wrote 6 paragraphs.

  348. Von Rho says:

    America cannot be destroyed “once”. What makes the difference in Western civilization is its ability to continually renew itself, due to its humanistic development and achievements. In the 30’s and 80’s, those who bet against the Anglosphere lost. On the other hand, China is much more vulnerable. Due to its animist thinking, modernity more confuses than helps. Like the primitives, when whites arrive with mirrors, lighters, etc., they soon suffer from mental disorders such as alcoholism and suicide. China is no different. The opium war is an example. China’s diplomacy at that time (and now it hasn’t changed) only made mistakes, due to the narcissism typical of primitive culture (navel of the world, empire of middle, etc. ): “we know that opium is also prohibited in your country”, the Chinese ambassador wrote projectively , to whom his English counterpart simply replied “it’s not”. On the contrary, the philosophical development of the West allowed it to understand other cultures, even if to subjugate them. Also, what was told by other commenters about the Blackrock scheme, this will be ended one day because it will obviously cause an imbalance for the creators.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  349. Sean says:

    West allowed it to understand other cultures, even if to subjugate them. Also, what was told by other commenters about the Blackrock scheme, this will be ended one day because it will obviously cause an imbalance for the creators.

    That “imbalance” is to the taste of the elite because it means them getting richer at the expense of Trump’s electoral base. The public corporations face no public ethical criticism for investing in China; “original equipment manufacturers” (companies that outsource and offshore) are more engaged in marketing, and consumer finance than manufacturing. of couse they claim the greatest benevolence: “We are fighting global poverty by employing Chinese factory workers ”

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/china-strategy-trade-lind America’s economic elite is made up mostly of individuals and institutions whose sectors complement state-sponsored Chinese industries instead of competing with them. It is pointless to try to persuade these influential Americans that they have a personal, financial stake in manufacturing on American soil. They know that they do not.[…]

    Some of the profits made by rich Americans in the modern China trade are recycled as money flowing to universities, think tanks, and the news media. The denizens of these institutions tend to be smart and smart people know who butters their bread. Predictably, intellectuals and journalists who benefit from the largesse of American capitalists with interests in China are inclined to please their rich donors by characterizing critics of U.S. China policy as xenophobes who hate Asian people… […]

    National industrial policies are like national militaries—essential local public goods provided by a sovereign government to a particular people. The model for trade negotiations should be bilateral and multilateral arms control, which are based on the premise that all parties have a perpetual right to their own militaries, rather than global disarmament, which seeks the utopian goal of eliminating all militaries everywhere.

    Wealth is being transferred to the elite, which is also the effect of BlackRock, Warren Buffet et al’s investing in China. Public companies and pensions funds are divesting from greenhouse gas producing indistries under pressure from politicians and activism, but private funds are buying in because the returns are stupendous. So extraction industries are also going to be a cash cow of the elite.

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  350. Von Rho says:
    @Sean

    “The public corporations face no public ethical criticism for investing in”… elsewhere. Capitalism’s greed is not a moral problem of elite, as right wingers naively believe, but structurally of economy. It is as it works, that is what Marx called “commodity fetishism”: nowadays through algorithms, capital is a monster which has its own life and goes where profits are higher. I does not matter if I am a devoted Christian applying the funds for an orphanage or a yuppie from Wall Street. I follow Russian analyst Fursov , for whom China will collapse this decade yet. Remember when Japan collapsed, everybody at that time few days before was afraid that soon the creation of Rothschild and Commodore Peary would take over the world. Let’s stop to believe in bogeyman. The dragon without our money is bootless and only meow.

    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  351. skrik says:

    As a sort of ‘alert,’ I would like to double-post my latest on “Cover-Up of U.S. Nuclear Sub …” – just in case that thread is not being ‘widely-read:’

    If I may, I will ‘remain seized’ upon the PRRA.

    if you keep digging into Moderna’s flagship pioneering investment company. You might find out a little bit more about the machinations

    OK; I have another quote from your Zhihu citation:

    The reason is simple. The PRRAR fragment is unknown. It was not until the outbreak of the 2019 epidemic that researchers learned about this fragment from the new coronavirus genome, and it is the most critical part of the new coronavirus gene. It is the artificially embedded PRRAR fragment that is the last [inserted: step before] A new coronavirus is produced. Moderna’s patent is equivalent to announcing to the world that it understood this fragment in 2017 and introduced it into its own mRNA products, whether it is derived from bacterial genes or artificially edited. Huge suspicion. What’s more, it is the main supplier of the new crown vaccine, and this fragment is included in the mRNA vaccine for the spike protein. To describe everything as a coincidence is too light.
    As a conspiracy theorist, this fragment in Moderna’s patent is enough to strengthen my previous judgment. It showed me a complete picture of the new coronavirus synthesis, and everything became clear. They can kill witnesses, close the laboratory, delete information, open their eyes and tell lies and evade each other’s responsibilities, but the data will not lie, and the genetic sequence will not lie

    Methodology [gxl8; 迪路 = Dilu]: I ‘r-clicked’ Dilu’s Zhihu URL, chose ‘save as’. Then, I loaded the saved object into a browser with ‘scripts off’. This resulted in a page of mostly ‘kanji’ characters, which I ‘copy/pasted’ back into gxl8; that yielded English-language text. I take no responsibility for the quotes, I just ‘report.’

    Now I would like to suggest that this represents a ‘true *bombshell*’ and I pass it over for discussion. rgds

  352. Anon-OZ says:

    There maybe cracks appearing:

    This is the first serious article I’ve seen that does more than just hint at a US involvment:
    https://johnmenadue.com/the-origins-of-covid-19-why-we-are-still-in-the-dark/

    For those who don’t know, the John Menadue (a former Oz Ambassador) site is kinda like a warehousing think-tank where the articles are usually job applications and policy statements for the next Labor govts. It’s an Oz version of Brookings.

    For someone like Alison Broinowski, someone right up there inside the establishemnt, to write what she just did is more than just phenomenol. . . And she quotes *that* Max Parry (https://www.globalresearch.ca/pandemic-revives-fears-us-developing-ethnic-bioweapons-against-russia/5714743) article. The one banned everywhere from being quoted . . . Which makes Global Research citeable now in establishment articles. . . Wow!

    Oz is on the periphery of the empire – but something has shifted. . .

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @skrik
  353. skrik says:
    @Anon-OZ

    Thanks for citing:

    “The origins of COVID-19: why we are still in the dark”
    By Alison Broinowski
    Nov 15, 2021

    “They were predisposed to consider a Wuhan wet market as the source of the virus,”

    .. Me: But that was debunked almost immediately, when it was found that there were several of the earliest cases *totally-unconnected* to any ‘wet market.’

    “Biden .. asked 17 US agencies to investigate the source of COVID-19.
    Not surprisingly they focused on China but their results were inconclusive.”

    .. Me: They found nothing since there is nothing definitive there to be found – that’s elsewhere. Just as Mueller’s investigation found nothing, ZUSA does a lot of ‘barking at the moon’.

    Posit: However much the true ‘black-hats’ would love to pin SARS-CoV-2 on China/CCP/Dr. Shi, there is, IMHO, one tiny little ‘4-letter word’ which is 1) preventing any ‘rash’ actions because 2) it is an actual ‘smoking gun.’

    No need to guess; IF ZUSA were to try to seriously accuse China – and it would have to be serious, not just the ‘scurrilous banter’ as up until now, THEN China would be forced into a proper self-defence and very publicly produce the smoking gun – and then it would be ‘all over, ZUSA rover’.

    As usual, all IMHO and no responsibility; I just report what I see. Tip: Follow the trail started with the citation by 迪路 from Zhihu over there [you may wish to ‘backup’ a bit for the wider context], OR just see one end-result in my #361 above. rgds

    PS From the Parry:

    “Gates is also a controversial proponent of administering “digital certificates” in response to the coronavirus as proof of immunization, ..”

    This is already actually underway [Electronic-ID by stealth = EID through the back-door]; whereas people are rightly wary and in fact should not tolerate any such, in some jurisdictions ‘vaccination certificates’ are a) being issued [many via smart phones as needed for ‘entertainment’ venues including restaurant interiors etc.] but worse b) as such, a big section of the population [ha ha; those who have accepted mostly mRNA vaxxes] are *clamouring* for them. Won’t be too long before these stealth-EIDs are demanded for entry into supermarkets [else starve] and banks [else go broke], say. Great news, eh?

  354. @Anon-OZ

    Is A B not, very likely, suffering from Gareth Evans’s neatly named “relevance deprivation syndrome”.? There’s a lot of it about, not least in Oz.

  355. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As an amateur Ivermectin enthusiast what do you make of this?

    https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19/ivermectin-train-cannot-stop

    I take the risk that you will not read it by quoting from it

    Take-home message:
    -The idea that the antiparasitic drug ivermectin could be useful to treat or to prevent COVID-19 started with a laboratory study done in monkey cells, in which very high doses of the drug prevented the coronavirus from making copies of itself
    -Many studies of ivermectin against COVID-19 in humans show signs of fraud or are at a high risk of having biased results

    -Promoters of ivermectin may not change their mind in the face of these revelations because of personal anecdotes, the sunk cost fallacy, and a distrust of the pharmaceutical industry

  356. skrik says:
    @Anon-OZ

    If I may, a bit of friendly advice: Engage this ‘Wozzer’ troll at your own peril. rgds

  357. Anon-OZ says:

    [This is not an anti-Vaxxing/Covid treatment discussion-thread.]

  358. anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron,
    I know this may be offtopic, but I am not sure where a proper venue for this sort of question is.
    You write often of the decline of the West, in contrast to China and Russia, which have markedly different governments than the US and most western countries. I was wondering what Western Country you think is least in decline, or is doing well unlike the US? I am curious if the decline of the West is due to cultural trends rather than a failure of the governing type(democracy). Russia and China have very different governments than the US does, so I was wondering if you thought there was a Western-type country that was a democracy that is actually doing quite well. Or are they all committing suicide lol.

  359. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    China space station doing very well and received NO benefit from USA since 2010 and the last space landing October 2021 featured landing with parachute within 50 meters of the terrain landing target –beyond USA capability at present.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  360. @Von Rho

    USA is 29 Trillion in Debt —China is USA biggest lender. When things snap –all USA military will be forfeted to pay this Debt —the Bankers are chuckling and Israel will do USA good –and hard.

  361. @Von Rho

    USA manufacturing is at zilch and aint coming back —-

    • Replies: @Von Rho
  362. @Wizard of Oz

    One always wonders if you are imbecile, paid troll, or liar or some combination thereof.
    Ivermectin has been identified as having anti-viral action, in vitro, for some years, against a variety of viruses such as Zika. So the university and esteemed lab in Melbourne tested it, at high doses admittedly, and they found it was efficacious, so worth investigating further.
    Immediately that dreadful phony, Norman Swan jumped in to denounce it on ABC as ‘sheep dip’. Just why he did so might be elucidated if we get proper trials after this cataclysm, but in doing so, this arrogant ‘expert’ ignored ivermectin’s Nobel Prize, its listing on the WHO’s ‘Essential Medicines’ list and its IMMENSELY safe use on humans, 3.7 billion doses worth.
    The use of ivermectin by real clinicians like the FLCCC in the field has been very successful. Meta-analyses by experts like the highly eminent Tess Laurie of the Cochrane Collaboration show good effectiveness, and places such as Uttar Pradesh, with its 240 million people, have used it with stunning success in public health programs. And, in the ultimate tribute, Pfizer’s new medication uses precisely the same pharmacodynamic process that ivermectin utilises to neutralise the virus.
    So you are full of shit, and doing your foul, little, duty to BigPharma profits, and helping to kill thousands in the process.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  363. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You won’t improve your Wolf Warrior employment chances if you rely for hoped for impact entirely on offensive inaccuracy and exhibit total irrelevance on what should be the substance of your answer. Did I even hint at denying the efficacy of Ivermectin for important medical purposes?

    Did you actually read the piece that I linked for you so you could consider improving your knowledge of something you regard as important (and would be if you were right)? Did you notice the statistical problems of meta studies contaminated by phony Egyptian data? Try reading the article and telling UR readers what’s wrong with it if you can. As it happens I heard about Ivermectin and asked my GP to prescribe it for me 18 months ago with nothing that I can usefully report in consequence.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  364. Von Rho says:
    @GomezAdddams

    As you maybe noticed, capitalism is totally under financialization, it is no longer based on production. Thus knickknacks can be made in China. It is only needed that strategic bottlenecks of high technology are made in West. Look at biochemics, as China does no have a sophisticated technology with its “vachina”, which people in South America refuses for third jab.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  365. @Von Rho

    The Sinophobe BigPharma troll lies some more. It’s hard to kick a habit! Chinese vaccines ARE vaccines, using attenuated virus to provide better protection and less harm than BigPharma’s experimental gene therapy injections. The vicious, racist, pig-thuggery of asserting that China only produces ‘knick-knacks’ is despicable.

  366. @Wizard of Oz

    Listen, imbecile. The Egyptian study is only ONE of scores of investigations that overall, in the meta-analysis of Tess Laurie et al, and others, shows the great effectiveness of ivermectin and safety as a treatment for CoViD19. It is pretty typical for Rightwing imbeciles to reject an entire body of evidence on the basis of ONE example that suits their pig ignorance and ideological bias. You see it all the time with anthropogenic climate destabilisation denialists. I suspect that you are just an habitual groveler, and once you see what the Bosses are pushing, you join in enthusiastically, like a running-dog, as the Chinese used to say.

    • Disagree: Von Rho
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  367. @Mulga Mumblebrain

     I suspect that you are just an habitual groveler, and once you see what the Bosses are pushing, you join in enthusiastically, like a running-dog, as the Chinese used to say.

    Oh dear, you have exposed m and my delusions after I have spent a lifetime identifying as a Boss and wondering why I couldn’t arrange for everything that I wanted to happen yesterday.

    Try reading the piece I linked and then commenting intelligently on it. You seem to have missed the proof (alleged anyway) that the critical meta studies were demolished by their reliance on the Egyptian figures. Maybe you could give a better analysis. Happily we may be beyond Ivermectin if the new antivirals work and the patent holders don’t extort every last cent from people wanting to save their grandmas.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  368. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You could persuade us but it doesn’t look as though “more effective is right. See

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/11/17/which-vaccine-is-the-most-effective-against-the-delta-variant?utm_campaign=coronavirus-special-edition&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2021-11-20&utm_content=article-link-1&etear=nl_special_1

    The Chinese vaccines appear to be close to the bottom when effectiveness against the Delta variant is assessed.

    • Thanks: Von Rho
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  369. @Wizard of Oz

    As a racist Sinophobe you believe ANY hate-tripe spewed at China. I’d rather the Chinese, traditional, attenuated virus, shot any day, to the experimental gene therapy injections whose effectiveness wanes rapidly. Have you had your mRNA booster shot, yet? Please don’t forget to attend to it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  370. @Wizard of Oz

    You’re so obviously a malignant imbecile that I’m surprised you’re not in Parliament. How does ONE, allegedly faked, study discredit scores of others, you malign, murderous, cretin, that show IVM great effectiveness and near absolute safety, not to mention the experience of hundreds of clinicians? As to the ‘new antivirals’ from your beloved BigPharma, ‘pfizermectin’ works in precisely the same pharnacodynamic manner as IVM, but is scores of times more expensive, and Merck’s molnupiravir is a known mutagen in viruses AND in mammalian cells. I know that you, as a reptile, might thus be protected, but, please, take a few so we can test it on your Class. One can get emotionally attached to skinks and the like.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  371. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Does “racist Sinophobe” come as part of the Wolf Warrior apprentice script? I’m so far from racist I’m not even an anti Semite (it doesn’t hurt to have loved family members who come from near Beijibg). And yes, my booster shot was Pfizer.

  372. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I linked an article that seemed to argue against your Ivrrmectin advocacy and hoped you might analyse it and reply in detail. Instead you just ranted.

    Now you also make assertions which would be interesting if backed up by linking or quoting reliable sources. I’m still waiting.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  373. @Ron Unz

    It is baffling that you didn’t carry your theory to its logical conclusion -that if it is a premeditated bioattack on China and Iran- then it must mean COVID is bioengineered somewhere in the US because they must possess the ability to manufacture, store, process and isolate the virus in the US before launching ( and to time) the attack.

    This must mean America is the origin of the virus and we can narrow down to a few Americans within the scientific community who were doing cutting edge gain of function research like Dr. Baric or facilities that can contain coronavirus like Fort Detrick. How else can they prepare and time a bioattack if they can’t prevent its spread in the first place ? The whole theory fall apart without these implicit assumptions.

    It is incomprehensible to me that you have not pursue this line of investigation and done some serious journalistic work down this rabbit hole. You have bombarded us with an extraordinary claim but fail to establish the fundamental conditions that substantiate your claim .

    This makes you no different from Mike Pompeo and his ilk. It is very disappointing.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  374. Ron Unz says:
    @Americanviru

    It is baffling that you didn’t carry your theory to its logical conclusion -that if it is a premeditated bioattack on China and Iran- then it must mean COVID is bioengineered somewhere in the US because they must possess the ability to manufacture, store, process and isolate the virus in the US before launching ( and to time) the attack.

    This must mean America is the origin of the virus and we can narrow down to a few Americans within the scientific community who were doing cutting edge gain of function research like Dr. Baric or facilities that can contain coronavirus like Fort Detrick.

    That’s a very odd position to take. America has a huge network of worldwide biowarfare labs, hardly limited to Ft. Detrick. Since nearly all the biowarfare research is secret, I don’t have a clue which one would have produced the Covid virus, and obviously no journalist or investigator would be privy to those highly-classified secrets.

    I discussed some of that in a previous article, and in early 2020 we had also published a piece by a retired forty-year veteran of American biowarfare:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-plausible-deniability-of-bioweapons-and-their-effectiven

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    We’d also published a lengthy article by investigative journalist Whitney Webb around the same time:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

  375. @Wizard of Oz

    Oz, your ‘article’ was by a ‘science communicator’ or some such pygmy, and it was full of lies and nassty (no wonder it appealed to you)slanders of REAL scientists, REAL clinicians, REAL meta-analysts and others who have shown IVM’s great effectiveness. In other words a vicious hit-job, praising a bunch of non-experts, amateur (or not) sleuths, a sort of medical Bellingcrap, doing BigPharma’s dirty work. They too have NO expertise in the field that they pontificate on, and freely slander their betters. And lives are being lost, that could have been saved, so you and they, have blood on your paws.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  376. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    They too have NO expertise in the field that they pontificate on, and freely slander their betters

    .

    We’re you looking in the mirror when you wrote that?

  377. El Dato says:
    @sbio

    “4 insertions of HIV” is news to me and means what? Needs more info.

    In the Guardian article, they say:

    Covid’s spike proteins, like most surface viral proteins, are fairly unstable. To ensure that the vaccine induced the right immune response, the clamp chosen comprises two fragments of a protein found in HIV, as those fragments provided the greatest stability to the vaccine. Adding those fragments to the spike protein is completely harmless.

    Trial participants were advised of the possibility that vaccine-induced HIV antibodies might be detected as a result, but it was nonetheless unexpected. Subsequent HIV tests provided definitive negative results in the trial participants.

    i.e. there is nothing HIV-like about Covid, but the Aussie approach resulted in antibodies triggering the HIV test.

    The article linked from the LinkedIn post is not better. It points to the BiorXiv (preprint, highly speculative stuff, i.e. the exact contrary of “suppressed science”) article that appeared right back when all this started, 2020-02. It was never confirmed and nothing came of it.

    Needs fresher stuff.

  378. El Dato says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Anecdotal evidence says

    > Mid August: Japan allows use of ivermectin because at the point they are at (i.e. running into a wall), it can’t hurt.
    > End of November: Delta gone from Japan

    Wuh?

    Explanation: “Delta mutated itself to death”

    Maybe. Maybe not.

    Or maybe Japan is the only country where the vaccines actually work. Who knows!

  379. El Dato says:
    @Sean

    I think this happens in a Hollywood spy plot after the actual story has run its course but they still have to graft a deeper plot on top in order to make still more money.

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