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Since April 2020, I’ve published a long series of articles arguing that there is a strong perhaps even overwhelming case that the global Covid epidemic that has taken over 15 million lives, including more than a million Americans, was the result of an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran).

Although I believe I have presented an enormous amount of circumstantial—and even more than circumstantial—evidence for this extremely controversial hypothesis, virtually no alternative media outlets let alone mainstream ones have been willing to discuss this topic given its absolutely monumental implications. But that may now be starting to change.

A couple of months ago, Prof. Jeffrey Sachs, former chairman of the Lancet Covid Commission, publicly suggested that America may have been the possible source of the virus, and a clip of his remarks went super-viral on Twitter, with 11,000 retweets and a million views.

Partly as a consequence of Prof. Sachs’s explosive claims, I was interviewed a week ago by Sputnik News, a mainstream Russian media outlet with 20 million monthly visits, allowing my Covid analysis to finally reach a much larger and more global audience:

The Sputnik article seems to have been one of the most popular on their website, with more than 100 endorsements by readers, and my own column on the controversy also generated strong traffic, with more than 300 comments:

It now appears that these developments may have helped prompt Russia’s own national security establishment into taking a more forceful public position on these important international issues.

On Thursday, RT News reported that Lieutenant-General Igor Kirillov, the head of Russia’s Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Defense Forces, held a public briefing in which he raised the possibility of American responsibility for the global Covid epidemic.

Taking into account the interest of the US administration in the study of narrowly targeted biological agents, such statements force us to take a fresh look at the causes of the novel coronavirus pandemic and the role of US military biologists in the emergence and spread of the Covid-19 pathogen,” Kirillov said.

Russia now suspects that USAID might have been directly responsible for the emergence of the Covid-19 virus, according to Kirillov, who pointed to a Lancet article by Columbia professor Jeffry Sachs, who suggested that the virus was likely created in a lab with the help of America’s latest achievements in the field of biotechnology.

Kirillov pointed out that since 2009, USAID had been funding a program known as ‘Predict’, conducting research into new coronaviruses which involved the capture of wild bats infected with such pathogens, and that one of the project’s contractors, Metabiota, had been known for its military biological activities on the territory of Ukraine.

In 2019, the agency shut down the ‘Predict’ program while the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security coincidentally began studying the spread of a previously unknown coronavirus.

“The implementation of the COVID-19 development scenario and USAID’s emergency phasing out of the Predict program in 2019 suggest the deliberate nature of the pandemic and US involvement in its occurrence,” Kirillov said.

 

These accusations from a top national security official in one of the world’s most powerful nations may finally begin to focus media scrutiny on the important pattern of evidence I have been presenting for more than two years.

For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry…

From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

The Iranians themselves were well aware of these facts, and their top political and military leaders publicly accused America of an illegal biowarfare attack against their own country and China, with their former president even filing an official protest with the United Nations. But although these explosive charges were widely reported in the Iranian press, they were completely ignored by the American media so that almost no Americans ever became aware of them.

Earlier this year I discussed my Covid analysis in several video podcast interviews, and these have now been viewed nearly 900,000 times, including more than 350,000 views since the beginning of July:

Kevin Barrett, FFWN • February 16, 2022 • 15m

Video Link

Geopolitics & Empire • February 1, 2022 • 75m

Video Link

Red Ice TV • February 3, 2022 • 130m

Video Link.

 
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  1. As an American who takes no side in the Ukraine War but is critical of the US role leading up to that conflict, this reader welcomes wider dissemination of Ron Unz’s hypothesis, but I keep in mind that a party to a war, such as Russia in this case, might spread an idea that reflects badly on its adversary’s ally regardless of merit.

    Therefore, I conclude that the sole value of this latest development is to open more minds, not to add evidence in support of the hypothesis.

  2. Ron Unz says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Therefore, I conclude that the sole value of this latest development is to open more minds, not to add evidence in support of the hypothesis.

    I agree entirely. Although the Russian claims regarding the Ukrainian biolabs certainly increase the likelihood that the American officials could have considered equally reckless and foolish biowarfare attacks on other countries as well, such as China and Iran, none of his material seems to relate directly to the Covid epidemic.

    However, if top Russian national security officials are now publicly making these accusations, I think it’s much more likely that Western alternative and even mainstream media organs may finally begin to take them seriously.

  3. 15 million lives?

    The eternal jew…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  4. djm says:

    the global Covid epidemic that has taken over 15 million lives………….

    Depending, of course, as to how this number is calculated

    Died with Covid & co-morbidities & age……….possibly 15 million people

    Died of Covid…… 15 million ?…… no way jose

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rooster16
  5. Anonymous[419] • Disclaimer says:

    What gives this allegation credibility, IMO, is the reference to USAID. Few people realize the true nature and operations of USAID and the close relationship between DoD and USAID (and Peace Corps) along with the strong covalent bond of contractors.

    IMHO, the weakness in Ron’s theory was the suggestion that DIA DCS— along with uniformed military— was behind the release of the virus. Being somewhat familiar with this world I found that it stretched credulity. That’s not their style.

    Being familiar with the world of USAID and the opaque connections of contractors I was like, “Shit yeah, makes sense to me!”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @lloyd
    , @Craig Nelsen
  6. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Not Important

    15 million lives?

    If my math is correct that’s roughly 0.15% of the global population. I would guess that at any given time ~1% or 2% of the population is in a vulnerable health condition and at risk from dying from even the cold and/or flu.

    So 15 million would only mean that only 1% of the most vulnerable died. Unremarkable given that over a 3 to 6-month period you’d expect to automatically see a good chunk of those in the most fragile health state end up dying.

    So Covid might have just been an extra fews quarters in the Coin Pusher Quarter Slider arcade game.

    • Agree: michael888
    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  7. Sounds like it’s time for the U.S. to publicly announce that the source of COVID-19 was the Wuhan Lab.

    • LOL: acementhead
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldlan
  8. @Ron Unz

    There’s no reason to take Russian officials seriously because they’re politicians, just like America’s officials. The only reason America’s hacks are taken seriously is that people want to suck up to America. Soon we will start believing Saddam was months away from having nukes!

  9. @Ron Unz

    Our response will be to firmly affix the blame on China.

    • LOL: Greta Handel, chris
  10. Cookie says:

    This great power rivalry may shake loose the truth of matters that have dogged the world for a long time.

    The security apparatuses of the great powers will have a dirt dossier of what each-other have been up too.

    Maybe we get the truth on those involved in the twin towers operation… its funny how the U.S decided now to assassinate one of the people who had knowledge…he was allowed to live as long as he was controlled…not anymore…the unipolar power is cleaning up loose ends now that world domination is fading.

  11. @Buzz Mohawk

    There is a saying that, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and fu*ks like a duck, then it is a duck!

    Similarly, if American govt. behaves like a perpetrator, appears like a perpetrator and acts like a perpetrator of spreading genetically-modified human influenza virus all over the world, then American govt. is actually the perpetrator.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  12. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    IMHO, the weakness in Ron’s theory was the suggestion that DIA DCS— along with uniformed military— was behind the release of the virus. Being somewhat familiar with this world I found that it stretched credulity. That’s not their style.

    Actually, I’d never suggested that the DIA was involved in the release of the Covid virus.

    Since a unit of the DIA produced a secret intelligence report describing a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan before it actually occurred, that obviously demonstrated foreknowledge. But I doubt the DIA was involved in operation. They were probably informed of the disease outbreak in Wuhan by some of the actual conspirators without being told it was due to a biowarfare operation.

    At this stage, it’s impossible for anyone to do more than loosely speculate about the actual mechanics of the attack—who was involved, which biolab provided the Covid virus, and how the virus was deployed in Wuhan (and Qom, Iran). However, there does seem very strong evidence that elements of the American government were involved.

  13. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

    China continues to Lock-Down. No other country does this. There is your evidence, case and point.

  14. lloyd says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    For what it’s worth. I knew a woman who had been raised an army brat. She said her father in the U.S. army was an entomologist. I innocently asked, “What is an entomologist doing in the U.S. military”. I was told germ warfare.

  15. Anon001 says:

    Andrey Soshenko, Russian patriot, raises many valid questions regarding this and Chavez removal [1]. IMO, all answers to those boil down to Kremlin’s i.e. Putin’s treachery and complicity with the globalists – aka, as Putin calls them, Western Partners.

    [1] Google Auto-Translate: Hugo Chavez was killed, COVID-19 was created in the USA:
    https://ruskline-ru.translate.goog/news_rl/2022/08/05/ugo_chaves_byl_ubit_covid19_sozdan_v_ssha?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en-US&_x_tr_hl=en-US

    Excerpt #1: And why then did Russia so easily succumb to this provocation in 2020-21? Why did many high authorities in Russia look into the mouth of the WHO (organization of the “world moderator”), whip up a stir with stupid “restrictions” with masks, control over the movement of citizens, catching “violators of the regime” of forced vaccination, etc.? After all, from the very beginning it was clear that this was a scam of the enemies of the human race. Why did they not listen to those who spoke about this, but did the opposite?

    Excerpt #2: Why did Russia not once raise these issues of open criminal terrorist activities of the United States at the highest international level? The consequences of lost opportunities and time for our country cannot be returned in this. You are simply amazed once again why the highest Russian authorities do not use the opportunities that, as they say, lie on the surface. “Fifth column”? Or what?

    Excerpt #3: Let me remind you that Chavez himself considered his mysterious illness to be a “cancer infection” spread from the United States in 2010-2013 to many leaders of Latin American countries. At the very least, the presidents of Paraguay, Brazil, Argentina and Venezuela were suspiciously at the same time put on the brink of physical survival. But this has also been known for a long time. But in the semi-official Russian media, they only giggled on this topic, and our foreign ministry did not raise questions at the international level.

  16. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    However, if top Russian national security officials are now publicly making these accusations, I think it’s much more likely that Western alternative and even mainstream media organs may finally begin to take them seriously.

    Do you really?

    I’d say the more sovereign states, (as opposed the zio-vassal states of the West) begin to consider the possibility, (if not probability) of Covid being a U.S. bio-weapons lab product, the more Western mainstream media organs will double-down on it’s ‘Chinese’ provenance.

    As the war on Russia slogs along, we all know, (and Russia has cogently and consistently pointed it out), that this whole tragic affair was foisted upon the region by the U.S. State Dept. and Victoria Nuland in particular.

    But as true as that obviously is, and as most, if not all nations of the world know it, still we are barraged with the ludicrous idiocy of ‘Russia attacking for no reason’.

    And although I’m not privy to non-Western world opinion, (as much as I’d like to be), I suspect that with Covid, just as with the Ukrainian tragedy, the more it becomes obvious that it was all set in motion by the U.S., the more the U.S. media organs will all screech Russia! Putin!! or China! China!! louder and louder.

    Has the U.S. ever taken responsibility for any of their serial war crimes, ever? Or at least since the dawn of the 20th century.

    Perhaps there was a tiny bit of hand-wringing over Mỹ Lai, but even that was all blamed on rogue soldiers. The U.S. is never accountable for anything it does. Ever.

    Even aggressive wars based on obvious lies that destroy entire nations, are all whisked under the rug- as Exceptional America standing taller, and seeing farther, for the good of all humanity.

    It was Wall Street’s infinite greed and criminality that imploded the global economy in 2008. Was there so much as one swindler who was held to account? The Federal Reserve Bank’s charter states it exists to prevent such financial chicanery and thieving, and yet it was the main source of \$lop flowing in the Wall Street greed trough- which caused the whole thing. Did the media even notice? Did the Senate banking committee say anything other than crickets chirping?

    If it became widely known and proven that Covid was and is a product of a U.S. bio-weapons lab, (perhaps funded by Fauci and Obama, or others) then I’d say it will have exactly as much impact on the mainstream media in America and Europe, as if Russia were to find irrefutable proof of U.S. bio-labs in Ukraine working on biological weapons of mass destruction on the borders of Russia, with documentation and testimony by researchers and scientists all giving sworn testimony in a court of law.

    All the West will simply do is refuse to report it, and then deny it if anyone points it out.

    Consider, if it was true, and they all knew it was true, do you think someone like Tucker Carlson would be allowed to say so?

    The only people I know of who’re willing to go on record, and speak truth to power like that, are people like Michael Hastings, Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, and Ron Unz. Among others..

    Tucker would tuck tail, before he’d admit Covid was created in a U.S. lab. Ditto all the rest of the “respectable’ and very well-paid ‘journalists’.

    This is one of the increasingly obvious reasons why Russia has said ‘enough!’ to the universal kowtowing to the ((West)). In the West, no prominent person is allowed to speak the simple and obvious truth, if they work in the media. That’s why guys like Rick Sanchez work for RT now. Because no one is allowed to speak the obvious truth about anything of significance in the Western world. Not about who owns CNN. Not about 9/11. Not about Covid or Ukraine or Palestine.

    And (especially) if the rest of the world comes to find out that Covid was a U.S. weapon designed and deployed by rogue elements in the Obama or Trump (or both regimes), to menace China and Iran and others, then I think I can say with some certainty, that the thunderous sound of crickets chirping coming from the Western mainstream media, will be so deafening as to drown out even explosions in building seven, as it neatly plops into its basement at free-fall speed.

  17. Anonymous[591] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember the last time Russia put their foot down, overtly? The UNGA formalized the definition of aggression with explicit reference to weapons of mass destruction. In fluent diplomatese the world said to the US, “You’re going to get us all blown up, you fucking shaved apes.” And that was the case. It was a close one. That was when CIA was bombing neutral Cambodia.

    What CIA did then was throw a virgin into the volcano – Nixon! They framed him for some bullshit and impeached him; stuck the Cambodian bombardment into the Impeachment Articles; purged him and shrugged, “Gee, uh, sorry, bad apples.” That worked because aggression was an act of states but not yet a crime. So by pinning the act on a guy and purging him, it was like, Bygones!

    That was then, this is now – now criminal US officials have committed sneak attack germ warfare aggression on two nations, wronging every country in the world with mass destruction weapons of the most indiscriminate sort. Tainting the fucking human genome. Crippling the species’ DNA repair. So now the message is, “You’re going to get us all blown up, you fucking morons, and hey, maybe it’s worth it to get rid of you Langley scumbags once and for all.”

    And now aggression is a crime. We all know the fuckers who did it: Pompeo, Haspel, Haines, Gates and their underlings. There’s no need to make CONUS a sinkhole of molten basalt. As long as you hand over the perps.

  18. @Rurik

    Was there so much as one swindler who was held to account?

    There was one AIG executive who wrote a New York Times op-ed complaining he didn’t get his bonus for 2008 and he was loudly shamed. Also somebody was rude to Fuld (Lehman) at his gym. Told him he needs to quit skipping leg day or something like that.

  19. Q-ship says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    I think the evidence that SARS CoV-2 is a bioengineered virus is very strong, and your hypothesis that it was released deliberately is quite compelling. I have had some doubts as to your posited motive-that it was released primarily as a biowarfare attack against China. It had to be known to those who authorized the release of the virus how contagious it was, and how likely it was to spread beyond the borders of China. Perhaps they were as reckless as you suggested that they may be, but this part of the hypothesis seemed to strain credulity.

    I think that those who released the virus fully intended for it to spread, and the primary reason for this may well have been financial. According to the article linked below, the repo crisis of September 17, 2019 was still on going at the end of 2019, and a definitive cure had not yet been found. While a significant amount of liquidity had already been injected into the repo market by the Federal Reserve, it appears that much more was needed to prevent contagion from spreading into a 2008 type crisis or worse. To minimize loss of confidence in the system, some external event to justify injecting trillions of dollars into the banking system would certainly have been useful. A highly communicable virus necessitating lockdowns and huge amounts of government relief to make up for the closing down of the economy might just be what the Fed wanted/needed at the time.

    For a natural origin of the virus to be plausible, it would have to appear to originate in a part of the world where such a virus could be endemic, such as China. Wuhan, with the Institute of Virology could have provided a potentially convenient second source of the virus. It does seem like the outbreak in Iran was a separate bio warfare attack that was aimed at the Iranian leadership.

    https://www.adamseconomics.com/post/did-economic-armageddon-commence-in-september-2019

    • Agree: Emslander, Adam Smith
  20. @Anon

    Recent studies have shown that flu reoccurs each year because a small segment of the population never recovers and serve as carriers for the next flu season. Thus, general lockdowns can not possibly work. I suspect the Chinese government has different (probably sinister) reasons for doing this; perhaps to halt an incipient rebellion? (Cue Godfree Roberts defending China as the perfect society!)

  21. meamjojo says:

    Get serious! Sputnik has the same credibility and veracity as the National Enquirer and Alex Jones.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
    , @Anon
  22. ariadna says:

    When an American expresses views that align with Russia’s stated position on a given subject he is called “Putin’s agent.” This is the reverse case: Ronn Unz raised this issue first and provided ample argumentation to support it. Now Russia echoes his views. Therefore it is appropriate to conclude that “Putin is Ron Unz’ agent.”

    • LOL: acementhead, Iris
  23. According to the CDC:

    [MORE]

    The International Health Regulations (IHR) 2005 are a legally binding agreement of 196 countries to build the capability to detect and report potential public health emergencies worldwide. IHR require that all countries have the ability to detect, assess, report, and respond to public health events.

    IHR Basics
    With trade and travel expanding on a global level, the opportunity for greater disease spread also increases. The public health and economic impact due to infectious diseases can cause great harm to humans and severely damage a country’s economy. The World Health Assembly first adopted IHR in 1969 to cover six diseases. Over the years, the IHR were revised multiple times. The IHR (2005) is legally binding; all WHO member states must report events of international public health importance. Countries reference IHR (2005) to determine how to prevent and control global health threats while keeping international travel and trade as open as possible.

    IHR (2005) requires that all countries have the ability to do the following:

    Detect: Make sure surveillance systems and laboratories can detect potential threats
    Assess: Work together with other countries to make decisions in public health emergencies
    Report: Report specific diseases, plus any potential international public health emergencies, through participation in a network of National Focal Points
    Respond: Respond to public health events

    Protecting People
    One of the most important aspects of IHR (2005) is the requirement that countries detect and report events that may constitute a potential public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC).

    Under IHR (2005), a PHEIC is declared by the World Health Organization if the situation meets 2 of 4 criteria:

    Is the public health impact of the event serious?
    Is the event unusual or unexpected?
    Is there a significant risk of international spread?
    Is there a significant risk of international travel or trade restrictions?

    Once a WHO member country identifies an event of concern, the country must assess the public health risks of the event within 48 hours. If the event is determined to be notifiable under the IHR, the country must report the information to WHO within 24 hours. Some diseases always require reporting under the IHR, no matter when or where they occur, while others become notifiable when they represent an unusual risk or situation.

    Always Notifiable:

    Smallpox
    Poliomyelitis due to wild-type poliovirus
    Human influenza caused by a new subtype
    Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
    Other Potentially Notifiable Events:

    May include cholera, pneumonic plague, yellow fever, viral hemorrhagic fever, and West Nile fever, as well as any others that meet the criteria laid out by the IHR.
    Other biological, radiological, or chemical events that meet IHR criteria
    Since IHR (2005) was put into place, WHO has declared the following PHEICs:

    H1N1 influenza (2019–2010)
    Polio (2014–Present)
    Ebola (2014–2016) & (2019–2020)
    Zika virus (2016)
    COVID-19 (2020–Present)
    Monkeypox (2022–Present)

    When a PHEIC is declared, WHO helps coordinate an immediate response with the affected country and with other countries around the world.

    Global IHR Participation
    IHR represents an agreement among 196 countries, including all WHO Member States, to work together for global health security.

    In the U.S., CDC works with state and local reporting and response networks to receive information at the federal level and then respond to events of concern at the local and federal levels. The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has assumed the lead role in carrying out the reporting requirements for IHR (2005). The Health and Human Services’ Secretary’s Operations Center (SOC) is the National Focal Point responsible for reporting events to WHO. CDC works with other federal agencies to support IHR (2005) implementation.

    https://www.cdc.gov/globalhealth/healthprotection/ghs/ihr/index.html

    In light of these IHR (2005) particulars, the CDC’s response to the outbreak of the “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, VA, in June and July of 2019 seems rather damningly inculpatory to me. In fact it seems comparable in overt criminality to the fraudulent NIST “investigations” into the collapses of the WTC towers.

    So who in the U.S. “government” made the decision that the mysterious outbreak at Greenspring didn’t meet at least two of the four criteria mentioned above?

    Clearly the outbreak was “unusual (and) unexpected,” so it indisputably met one criterion (the second item in the list). What I want to know is this: If as the CDC claimed, they didn’t know what pathogen was responsible for the illness, how did they rule out the other criteria and conclude that the outbreak was not reportable as a “public health emergency of international concern” (PHEIC)?

    When a similar outbreak of a “mysterious respiratory illness” happened in China a few months later, the Chinese government apparently saw it as a PHEIC and reported it – and IIRC they did this at a point in time when there were only a few dozen reported cases and no deaths had yet occurred.

    As I see it, the Russia and China (and every other country in the world for that matter) need to publicly demand an explanation from the U.S. “government” as to why it didn’t report the outbreak of the mystery illness at Greenspring to the World Health Organization (and how it could make the decision to not report the illness under the circumstances ostensibly without knowing the identity of the pathogen responsible).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Lemonade1
  24. @meamjojo

    At last. A credible, responsible voice. Someone who has the well being of Americans at heart.

  25. Hitch says:

    There is much more in this Russian MIL report by Igor Kirillov than just that Covid was a US bioweapon.

    For one thing, Ron Unz’s hypothesis is that it was a rogue element of the US government, likely Neocons, who released Covid. There is far more damning information in the report than that.

    Once again, Substack that “scoops” UR:

    Russian MIL Declares Ukraine Origin of C19! DNC Globalists Created Covid!

    The Russian MIL have been studying biological samples from surrendered Ukrainian soldiers, and what they have been finding is beyond disturbing. Approximately 20% of them carrying West Nile pathogens, which were being studied “by the Pentagon as part of the Ukrainian UP-4 and UP-8 projects”. Suggesting that Ukrainian soldiers are being subject to involuntary biological experimentation and exposure to biological weapons (think Nuremberg).

    ZOG has been using their AFU cannon fodder as a test bed for bioweapons. This is why there were 46 US biolabs operating in Ukraine and this is why Metabiota and Hunter Biden are up to their necks in all this “scientific research”.

    Russia goes on to cite that this methamphetamine Ukraine are using, Pervitin, was also used by US soldiers during Vietnam and Korea. It’s designed to reduce the psycho-emotional burdens of war.

    However, an intended side effect is excessive aggression, which Russia alleges is one of the main factors for the Nationalist Ukrainian forces displaying “extreme cruelty” to civilians and the shelling of their own people in Donbas. Ukraine are using mind-numbing agents on their forces to make them more susceptible to carrying out heinous acts.

    So now we have another explanation for all the sadism on display by the AFU, Azov Brigade, Right Sector and all the other Jewish run Ukrainian terrorist organizations.

    Russia then pointed to US Congressman Jason Crow of the House Intelligence Committee, warned Americans about the dangers of giving their DNA to private companies (Think 23&Me) for testing because:

    “…there is a possibility that test results will be sold to third parties… and the information obtained could be used to develop biological weapons targeting specific groups… or individuals.”

    Sounds exactly like what Russia has been alleging all along. That the US have been producing biological weapons to ethnically cleanse certain individuals of select genome sequences.

    Unfortunately there is no mention of all the DNA samples from across the planet on the PCR test cotton swabs that were sent to biolabs, many in China, for analysis.

    Russia goes on to directly accuse the US Agency of International Development, (USAID), of involvement of the creation of the new Covid variants. Citing that they have been studying coronavirus since 2009 (Obama), and that one of the main contractors for the project is the infamous Biden biolab company, Metabiota, the main source of biological malfeasance in Ukraine.

    The implementation of the COVID-19 scenario and USAID’s emergency wind-down of the Predict programme in 2019 suggest the deliberate nature of the pandemic and US involvement in its emergence.

    Question: When did the Neocons take over USAID? CV19 was not some “rogue element” in the US government. CV19 was a globalist operation, and the US MIC is merely one arm of this octopus.

    In the third slide, Russia highlight the activities of Labyrinth Ukraine. Particularly their vaccination of Ukrainian soldiers, and collecting biological samples from them so they can develop genome specific biological weapons. Citing one of the main contractors affiliated with Labyrinth is, once again, Biden’s Metabiota.

    Russia also notes that Labyrinth Global Health have been studying CORONAVIRUSES AND MONKEYPOX.

    Thus we see a clear trend: infectious disease agents that reach the Pentagon’s zone of interest are subsequently pandemic, with US pharmaceutical companies and their patrons, the leaders of the US Democratic Party, as the beneficiaries.

    HOLY SHIT… Russia just said the DNC and US big pharma are intentionally causing pandemics to win elections…

  26. Ron Unz says:
    @Harold Smith

    In light of these IHR (2005) particulars, the CDC’s response to the outbreak of the “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, VA, in June and July of 2019 seems rather damningly inculpatory to me.

    I’m extremely skeptical of those claims that Covid was circulating in America during summer 2019. Most of these theories were promoted by pro-China propaganda-activists and widely discussed on various left-wing conspiracy-websites, often in connection with vaping deaths or the safety shut-down of Ft. Detrick around that time.

    The enormous problem all these theories face is that the single most important characteristic of Covid is that it is extremely contagious, with cases generally doubling every 3-6 days absent strong public health measures, and therefore increasing 100x to 1000x per month. Most of those huge outbreaks in countries and states during the early months of 2020 started with just a tiny handful of infected individuals. So if Covid had been circulating in portions of American society during 2019, we would have seen the gigantic nationwide outbreaks a couple of months later that we eventually saw the following year.

    Furthermore, later blood sample and wastewater tests provide no evidence of any significant number of Covid virus infections in America during that time period.

    Another typical element of these implausible theories is that they usually claim Covid was then accidentally carried to Wuhan by the servicemen attending the military games. So even if only something like one in a million Americans were infected, those particular individuals happened to travel to Wuhan and start the outbreak there, which seems extraordinarily unlikely.

    I discussed all of these issues at length in a section of one of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#promoting-a-ft-detrick-lab-leak-as-a-failure-of-nerve

    I think these fallacious theories were promoted by activists who wanted to claim that the Covid virus came from America but were too fearful to point to the obvious evidence that it was a deliberate biowarfare attack. So instead they just claimed it somehow leaked out of Ft. Detrick.

  27. Petermx says:
    @Rurik

    If China also begins saying the US is responsible it will be more difficult for the seemingly brain dead Europeans to mimic their American masters. While Europe has been hostile to its neighbor Russia it has not been so to China. I think the UK will follow the US lead and say or do whatever the Americans want. That once great nation is pathetic and they don’t have the excuse the Germans have, that they have to please a dumbed down world with a Jewish view of world history that is hostile to Germany.

    The challenge for Europe, when enough Europeans recognize this as a problem is that I think the US has an enormously big presence in European media. CNN and other outlets are available in the little east European country where I live and I’m not sure how big this influence is but I’m starting to suspect it is very big. I was also told recently by someone here how he received an education on US history going back to the American Indians before the Europeans arrived in America. He appeared to have great respect for America. Unfortunately, I think many people here know little about their own (European) far more interesting history, especially WWII, except for what Jewish interests want them to believe and sometimes things that apply to or happened in their own country.

    I recall when I first came to this country 20 years ago that I saw a swanky looking hotel here that displayed a sign saying George Soros stayed at their hotel. I did not know much about Soros at that time and I was sympathetic to some of the things his organization said. I suspect he has had a significant (negative) impact on eastern Europe but I think its only his native Hungary considers him a threat to their well being.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  28. Ron Unz says:
    @Q-ship

    I think that those who released the virus fully intended for it to spread, and the primary reason for this may well have been financial.

    Sure, I don’t have any problem with people who follow that other explanation.

    My central issue is that the Covid outbreaks were due to American biowarfare attacks against China (and Iran), with motive being a secondary matter.

    It seems to me that the simplest motive is that China and Iran were the two countries in the world that America was most hostile towards, and that probably led some of the Deep State Neocons to orchestrate such an attack. But maybe it was actually some other American faction and maybe the motives were different ones. Or perhaps it was a combination of different motives. Individual people can believe whatever they want on that issue, and I won’t argue with them.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Replies: @meamjojo
    , @Realist
  29. @Ron Unz

    However, there does seem very strong evidence that elements of the American government were involved.

    As I see it, a plan may have been drawn up years ago to attack China with biological weapons as part of an effort to damage it economically and to cause political destabilization, especially if other measures to “contain” it failed.

    A historical precedent would be the plans drawn up to attack Cuba for example:

    https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/2018/docid-32423484.pdf#page=179

    The plan may have been dormant for a while and basically just waiting for the installation of a president reckless and evil enough to sign off on it; or manipulable enough to go along with the plan (to deliver it to China and then blame it on China) subsequent to an “accidental” release of the virus in the U.S.; à la aw shucks, it accidentally escaped, so what do we have to lose now by making sure it gets to Wuhan, China where they’ll detect it and we’ll have plausible deniability?

    • Replies: @ADeceptive Pseudonym
  30. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    All the West will simply do is refuse to report it, and then deny it if anyone points it out…Because no one is allowed to speak the obvious truth about anything of significance in the Western world. Not about who owns CNN. Not about 9/11. Not about Covid or Ukraine or Palestine.

    Sure, I’m not disagreeing with you. My argument was that if the Russian government and its MSM begin heavily accusing America of being the source of Covid, that might put pressure on the Western MSM to begin focusing on the origins of the virus, though likely in a very deceptive and dishonest manner.

    But so long as the MSM is talking about Covid origins, dishonestly or not, people will begin paying more attention to the issue, and a small fraction of those people will begin looking into other possibilities.

    Frankly, I think that the evidence that it was an American biowarfare attack is so enormous and easily understood, that people might easily stumble upon many of those completely ignored facts, and quickly be shocked into energetic activity.

    My Covid podcast interviews have become some of the most popular videos on Rumble, and if the MSM starts focusing on Covid origins, the 900,000 views they’ve already gotten might easily grow into the many, many millions.

    Also, probably at least some of the alternative media will begin seriously considering this theory if many mainstream Russian, Chinese, or Iranians media outlets are promoting it.

    • Agree: Kali
  31. @Ron Unz

    I’m extremely skeptical of those claims that Covid was circulating in America during summer 2019. Most of these theories were promoted by pro-China propaganda-activists and widely discussed on various left-wing conspiracy-websites, often in connection with vaping deaths or the safety shut-down of Ft. Detrick around that time.

    I can certainly understand your skepticism, but I’m extremely skeptical that the CDC was simply unable to identify the pathogen responsible for the outbreak at the Greenspring community.

    The enormous problem all these theories face is that the single most important characteristic of Covid is that it is extremely contagious, with cases generally doubling every 3-6 days absent strong public health measures, and therefore increasing 100x to 1000x per month.

    I think it’s more complicated than that. For example, some researchers have claimed in a study that the virus could have been circulating in China for several months before it was detected. I tend to doubt that that’s what happened in China as I believe an effort was made to deliver it to Wuhan and to spread it around, but taking the results of the study at face value it would seem it’s not impossible that it could have been circulating for a while at a low level in China or the U.S. or anywhere else.

    “‘Our approach yielded some surprising results. We saw that over two-thirds of the epidemics we attempted to simulate went extinct. That means that if we could go back in time and repeat 2019 one hundred times, two out of three times, COVID-19 would have fizzled out on its own without igniting a pandemic. This finding supports the notion that humans are constantly being bombarded with zoonotic pathogens.’

    Wertheim noted that even as SARS-CoV-2 was circulating in China in the fall of 2019, the researchers’ model suggests it was doing so at low levels until at least December of that year.”

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  32. SOL says:

    Wish we had some number of Chinese deaths to compare with non-Chinese to see if some races are more susceptible than others to a serious infection and disordered immune response.

  33. @American Citizen

    But then the negroes will attack elderly Asian people.

  34. Ron Unz says:
    @Harold Smith

    I think it’s more complicated than that. For example, some researchers have claimed in a study that the virus could have been circulating in China for several months before it was detected.

    I think your reference is to the important Pekar study charting the Covid timeline in Wuhan. This became the basis for the mainstream epidemiology, and it provides exactly the pattern I’m describing. Patient Zero was infected roughly a couple of months before the outbreak became so large that the Chinese health authorities noticed it.

    That seems to be the pattern almost everywhere. If only a handful of people are infected with Covid, those local cases may just die out, but if they don’t, within a couple of months you’ll get an outbreak large enough to be very apparent to everyone.

    So if any significant number of Americans had been infected with Covid around July 2019 then by September or October you would have had huge outbreaks dominating the American headlines and clogging all the hospitals. By the end of the year many millions would have been infected.

    Unless strong public health measures are adopted, an extremely infectious disease like Covid will always follow that pattern. If Covid has the characteristics we think it does, there’s simply no way it was quietly circulating in America during mid-2019 without anyone noticing.

    • Replies: @ivegotrythm
    , @Harold Smith
  35. @Buzz Mohawk

    … I keep in mind that a party to a war, such as Russia in this case, might spread an idea that reflects badly on its adversary’s ally regardless of merit.

    I believe you’ve nailed it with this remark. The Russian General press briefing threw out a bunch of stuff in an effort to counter NATO propaganda with some of its own. I found a mixture of truths, half-truths, and some stuff they threw against the wall to see if it would stick.

    Briefing du lieutenant-général Igor Kirillov, chef des troupes de protection nucléaire, biologique et chimique des forces armées russes

    https://stcom.net/protection-nucleaire-general-igor-kirillov-4-08-2022/

    Because I don’t read French at better than a pre-school level, this went into the Yandex translator. What I found was a series of claims by the Russian General.

    1. Blood tests of Ukranian POWs found some unexpected diseases, and also a bunch of behaviour-altering narcotics.

    A side effect of these addictive drugs is mainly excessive aggressiveness, which explains the extreme cruelty towards civilians shown by some Ukrainian soldiers, as well as the bombardment of the cities of Donbass.

    2. The biolabs were running many dangerous tests for “Big Pharma” on mostly unpaid and helpless Ukrainians.

    To avoid reputational risks and legal costs should new drug trials fail, US and European companies have conducted clinical trials on Ukrainian citizens. Remuneration for volunteers was minimal and deaths could easily be concealed. Nor have there been any serious inspections or monitoring by local authorities.

    3. There was a large program collecting blood samples from Ukrainians. The General quotes a US Congressman about the possibility of work towards Ethnic Weapons:

    “…it is possible that test results will be sold to third parties…and the information obtained could be used to develop biological weapons targeting specific groups…or individuals.

    4. Now for the propaganda:

    In May 2022, Jeffrey Sachs – leading expert at the prestigious medical journal The Lancet and professor at Columbia University, the leading academic institution in global biosafety, said at a conference in Spain that “…the coronavirus was created artificially and it is very likely that it was created thanks to American advances in biotechnology…”.

    As we know, Jeffrey Sachs isn’t an “expert” in anything except stealing other people’s property. But what the hey, the Russian General is clearly getting some good mileage from the Corporate Media’s “consensus” reporting about Vulture Capitalist/Economist Sachs.

    After an uneven stretch, the briefing picks up speed towards the end with some very reasonable speculations about US biowar practices in the past.

    Overall, I’d say the Russian General did quite a good job with his presentation.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  36. An article concerning this is at

    https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/russian-mil-declares-ukraine-origin

    and appears to be well written and have direct access to the Russian release.

  37. @Not Important

    Miss-speak, meant 6 million

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  38. @Rurik

    That’s not a cricket sound, it’s a ‘sonic weapon’, as heard in Havana by entirely believable US diplomats. Many of them suffered permanent brain damage from it, and had to be compensated with lots of money. I think that it was Graham Greene who wrote ‘Our Man in Havana’. Maybe somebody could write the sequel, ‘Our Chickens in Havana’.

  39. Ghali says:

    Chinese President Xi said that in a speech he gave in 2019. Several articles on alternative media (see for example: http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_88611.shtml. COVID-19: A Pretext to Demonise China posted on Axis of Logic). It is a well-known fact, but people like to keep their heads down because they are scared they might be liquidated by CIA and Mossad agents.

  40. @Rurik

    Another very high-quality comment. Thanks for putting in the time and effort.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
    • Thanks: Rurik
  41. The US was just involved in a Coup E’tat. How else do you explain Pelosi’s presidential trip to Taiwan?
    Everyone knows Biden is Obama 2.0 and a complete idiot, and Kamala is nothing more than a AA hire and laughing hyena. No sane world leader has any respect for this illegitimate ZOG controlled regime and it’s Israel First controlled alphabets.

    The world was attacked with bio weapons by a rogue shadow government using Ukraine and Taiwan to hide behind and deflect as a precedent for starting World War III with Russia and China.

    Hats off to Ron Unz for having the balls to do real investigative journalism where MSM has failed.

    It’s a wonderful feeling before nukes fall that at least we’ll die knowing just enough truth, it wasn’t in vain.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Thanks: Buck Ransom
  42. @Ron Unz

    Why couldn’t it have circulated unnoticed as a simple flu before the propaganda began touting it as a “deadly disease?” It is, after all, circulating now, what with immunity weakened by the vaccine and people like Biden and Fauci take two aspirins.

    • Agree: acementhead, Olivier1973
  43. eah says:

    The COVID minstrel show continues:

    Nutjob German health minister Karl Lauterbach reports he has COVID despite being 4x vaccinated (!) — earlier this year he pushed very aggressively for a law requiring mandatory vaccination for all Germans, which ultimately failed a vote in the Bundestag (largely due to the AfD).

  44. dux.ie says:
    @Ron Unz

    > The enormous problem all these theories face is that the single most important characteristic of Covid is that it is extremely contagious

    That is a VERY CHILDISH IDEA of the mechanism of COVID infection. Is it in your fantasy world that people were born immediately as ADULT without going through the baby stage?? Go read up on the molecular electrostatic mechanism of how the SARSCOV2 spike bind to the human ACE2 receptors to enter human cells.

    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.medidd.2021.100114
    The Delta variant mutations in the receptor binding domain of SARS-CoV-2 show enhanced electrostatic interactions with the ACE2

    The virus originated long ago in bats and it did not infect human then was that there was no molecular electrical attraction to bind the SARS2 spike to ACE2 receptors. For example the high viral load of RatG13 variant affected human when the cave was disturbed but that DID NOT SPREAD FROM HUMAN TO HUMAN. With time and random mutation of the SARS2 spike that come a time when the spike become mildly attracted to the human ACE2 receptors but if the rate of entry and replication is slower than the destruction rate from the human immune system, that virus will still remain staying mostly with the bats/animal hosts. Just like the Australian hendra virus affecting human close to the horse because of the high viral loads but never spread from human to human. However, when the SARS2 virus entry and replication rate has overwhelm the human immune system then the effective cross-over has occured and the spread from human to human become possible. That also starts the process of POSITIVE FEED BACK as the SARS2 becomes more and more adapted to human host. One example is that in Denmark when the human spread SARS2 to mink, that particular strain starts to adapt to mink and become LESS INFECTIOUS to human.

    However the rate of SARS2 mutation is not great. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34506640/ “The results showed that the nucleotide mutation rate of the whole genome was 6.677 × 10-4 substitution per site per year, and the nucleotide mutation rate of the S gene was 8.066 × 10-4 substitution per site per year, which was at a medium level compared with other RNA viruses.” The spike has 1273×3 base pairs and IN 2.5 years the mutations from the spkie is ON AVERAGE ONLY 7.70 MUTATIONS among the 3819 sites. Roughly half the mutations will increase the attraction while the other half repellion. It will take some time to get a NET EFFECTIVE ATTRACTION. The idea that SARS2 is very contagious BEFORE IT BEING DETECTED is CHILDISH. By defination it is very unlikely that the initial slow infection can be detected. THE FACT THAT IMMEDIATELY THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT VARIANTS WITH DIFFERENT AFFINITY TO DIFFERENT POPULATION GROUPS ALREADY SHOWS THAT SARS2 WITH LOW INFECTION RATES HAD BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME UNDETECTED.

    • Thanks: meamjojo
  45. meamjojo says:
    @Ron Unz

    “My central issue is that the Covid outbreaks were due to American biowarfare attacks against China (and Iran), with motive being a secondary matter.”

    If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again…

  46. Sam Smith says:

    Looking at China’s response to COVID-19, it is one of war mobilization against a bioweapon attack. SARS (race specific) was the initial attack and the CPC has learned much from that for COVID-19.

    China’s zero-Covid policy can only be explained by this. They won’t publically come out and say it for obvious reasons. But their targetted response tells us what the CPC really thinks.

    Also, we really don’t know the side effects and long term effects of this bioweapon COVID-19. Maybe the Chinese do and that’s why they are so adamant on containing it at all cost.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  47. Covid came from the US funded lab in Wuhan. It also likely was intentionally “leaked” when the US-China medical Wuhan conference happened in late October 2020 to early November 2020, or slightly before then. More than 34 nations had delegates at that conference and more than 200 US medical experts were there.

    The leak was part of the Great Reset to get right wing figures out of politics through any means necessary. Covid in the US was used as the excuse to make vote by mail nation wide, and thus, opened the doors for the Globalists chosen party in the US, the Democrats, to have ballot harvesters on the ground to artificially inflate Biden’s vote count. Votes that he other wise would not have had. Freedoms were trampled on at the same time, from religious freedoms to freedom of movement.

    Western Europe, Canada, were even more harsh in many instances and also had Globalist figures taking advantage of it for political benefit.

    The US still is a walking ((Golem)) as far as power goes. Yes, the tribe would release a pandemic to kill millions in order to regain control of what they felt was starting to slip from their grasp, first with BREXIT then with Trump.

  48. GMC says:

    Crimea has been reporting 100+ cases a day in Covid for a week and may push for some restrictions. I haven’t figured these guys out here yet – Are they still playing games with the WHO circle jerk or a Con job ?. It’s summertime , but there is a War going on close to the borders. Some Russian companies are still pushing Sputnik shots for commercial pilots that are still flying and a few others that work around a lot of people. Maybe they missed the biggest BioWeapons Lab in Ukraine – the US Embassy. I guess we will wait and see – at least it isn’t Monkey Pox yet – lol

  49. Tom Welsh says:

    While Mr Unz is certainly very influential – perhaps as much so as anyone outside the MSM nowadays – I think he may be flattering himself a little if he takes credit for prompting the Russian statements.

    The Russians tend not to speculate or bluff, but stick as far as possible to hard facts. In this case, they seem to be drawing mostly on the documents uncovered during the Special Military Operation, and most recently in the course of the latest breakthroughs near Donetsk.

    They will not, I think, make any claims that cannot be substantiated by hard evidence. Their attitude is legalistic and – perhaps disconcertingly for those associated with US biolabs – appropriate for the collection of trial evidence.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  50. Does America have, or finance, any biowarfare laboratories in Taiwan? Could Taiwanese agents have worked for the CIA to spread those diseases in the Chinese poultry and pig farms?


  51. See from 2 minutes and 25 secs to 4:00 minutes

    The following link is to ‘site called the Military Chanel. He is a blogger I think of Belarusian decent anyway he must be some expert as I have followed for months, by the way today he said Ukraine last defense has been breached. Back on topic he mentioned that now Russians are accusing Americans of making and spreading Covid 19 and Money pox. He says documents recently captured city/town Rubizhne, in Ukraine ( he says Ukraine couldn’t get the incriminating Documents /evidence out before Russian forces took the town.) So what we are left with that If some western biological official to oversee the documents – to get to their authenticity.

  52. @Rurik

    Has the U.S. ever taken responsibility for any of their serial war crimes, ever? Or at least since the dawn of the 20th century.

    Why should the “US” take responsibility? The American people have been misled and tripped up time and time again. e.g. James Forrestal warns against national elections being auctioned off for Zionist dollars and he gets spiked, diagnosed as “crazy” and tossed out of a window. The rest is infamy in waiting.

    Veritas filia temporum

    Clean Mass Media House, then check back. Ha.

    p.s. What I MUCH prefer about Dr. Fleming’s testimony (below) over Mr. Unz is that Fleming — on top of arguing convincingly that Covid 19 is a bioweapon — speaks to the massive criminal malfeasance of Big Dope and their sock puppet politicians that have betrayed our trust and grossly abused their positions of power. On this Unz has been freakishly silent.



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Rurik
  53. Flash news !!!!

    Russian government announced that Twin Towers had been incinerated .

    Russian government also announced that Hitler (Hiedler) had died.

    Russian government had completed its investigation and concluded that Kaaba (worshiped by muslims) is an occultist temple.

  54. The Gimp says:

    The best way to deal with this is to keep exposing the facts.

    Manipulated PCR test = Plandemic

    Plandemic started with deaths from COVID USING PCR tests (average death statistic were hardly changed from previous years )
    Then it switched to COVID cases using PCR test (Cold/Flu gone? totally missing? )
    Vaccine rolled out and death number increases with Long COVID or SADS “Sudden adult death syndrome,”

    What a joke really.

    • Agree: Towey
  55. whoareyou says:
    @Anon

    I always thought the Chinese continued with lockdowns
    for the following reasons

    1. They know covid is a bio weapon
    2. Covid is not one weapon there are several variations.
    ( some variations affect some races/DNA more than others )
    3. As practice for when the next presumably
    far more deadly bioweapon is released

  56. COV-LARP is a construct of the white male patriarchy.

  57. I wrote detailed arguments on how this Covid 19 virus could not arisen in nature, in another popular news aggregator, but unfortunately since then I am banned there, so I could not get those again!

    The first doubt was the Furin cleavage site; Covid 19 virus is very similar to other viruses of its family, except for this stretch in its genome, where is a verbatim copy from HIV; the possibility of this occurring in nature is next to nothing.

    The second doubt was Chinese have been eating from that Wuhan caves for centuries if not millennia; yet this disease appears only now, and did not appear in foothill villages; it appears in a city 800 km away, infecting nobody in between.

    It is well known that virus jumping from species to species is not so easy; there are three important and crucial requirements: it must adopt to the new host; it must learn to spread among the new species; and it must adopt its deadliness to suit the new species. All these take a very long time, not just a few years; the jumping must have occurred countless times before the virus learns to survive in the new host. But we have a virus, discovered in 2015, jumps to humans, acquires Furin cleavage site (order of these events not known), learns to spread among all the human races, and all this in just four or five years? This can be compared only with the rise of Macron in France or Zelenskyy in Ukraine – nobodies suddenly getting famous, starting new political parties and straightaway landing in the President chair! I do not doubt for a moment there are unseen human hands in all these cases, pushing the virus, Macron and Zelenskyy onto the human race (and I did not say all these are the same hands, please note).

    There were some other detailed arguments too, but I forgot.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  58. R2b says:

    Anyone familiar with the PCR-test and the Corman-Drosten paper, know that you can create as many covid-deaths as you wish, out of the normally fluctuating over-all yearly deaths.

    This Russian-connection also connects handsomly with Alex Jones deliberately shooting himself in the foot.

    The vaccine is the Real Bioweapon.

    • Agree: TheTrumanShow
  59. @Face_The_Truth

    There is a saying that, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and fu*ks like a duck, then it is a duck!

    Duck denial is nothing new in Clown World.

    BTW, you’d think a country like Russia with some of the best HUMINT abilities in the world would have already been all over this story.

    • LOL: Notsofast
  60. Alex70 says:

    I don’t believe in coincidences and this statement from Russia came within 2 says of Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan. I’m sure China knows how it originated and used Russia as a proxy in this instance, perhaps as a warning shot

  61. Kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    The enormous problem all these theories face is that the single most important characteristic of Covid is that it is extremely contagious, with cases generally doubling every 3-6 days …

    But when one conciders that the vast majority of those “cases” where actually cases of perfectly healthy people who happened to test positive during a period of mass (not to mention unreliable) testing, then it’s entirely possible that the pathogen was circulating, undetected, for quite some time before a “PHEIC” was announced.

    Like you, Ron, I hope that Russia’s investigations into the origins of the global economic shut-down – I mean “virus”! – lead to many more questions being asked by many more people.
    And let’s hope that the perpetrators and participants in this PHEIC find themselves on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    God bless,
    Kali.

  62. Annon says:

    Virus covid19 had never been proven to exist. It is questionable whether it even meets the requirements of a scientific theory. It is a computer projection of an invisible to current technology fantasy. As such, although CDC WHO and other lying criminals at US Gov and elsewhere may pretend it exists while they dispense poisonous injections, neither the US, China or anyone else know how to make this fantasy kill anyone without an injection. So the Russian Defense ministry must be wrong, unless they’re referring to the big lie program from the rules based order to brainwash Earth.

    • Agree: Towey
  63. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    Okay, Mr. Unz, you say you don’t disagree with those who see the motive as primarily financial and you apparently welcome the Russian claims that the USA created and spread the CV19 virus.

    Your theory continues to assert that some carrier from Fort Dietrich took the manufactured virus from Maryland to Wuhan in October of 2019. Why would that be necessary? Fauci, or the entire pharmaceutical/financial complex, had teams funded through the US government in labs spread all over the world. They called it “gain of function” research. Why carry any virus on military teams?

    All Fauci had to do was transfer the intellectual property via text to any spot in the world he wanted it to explode and then give the order. That would explain the Iranian outbreak, the Wuhan outbreak, the New York outbreak, the Italian outbreak and the failure of the African outbreak.

    • Thanks: Thor Walhovd
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  64. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    The Russian General press briefing threw out a bunch of stuff in an effort to counter NATO propaganda with some of its own. I found a mixture of truths, half-truths, and some stuff they threw against the wall to see if it would stick.

    Sure, that’s correct, and I really can’t say whether or not those other accusations are correct. But the ones on Covid origins raise the likelihood that more people will now begin to focus on that issue.

    As we know, Jeffrey Sachs isn’t an “expert” in anything except stealing other people’s property. But what the hey, the Russian General is clearly getting some good mileage from the Corporate Media’s “consensus” reporting about Vulture Capitalist/Economist Sachs.

    That’s a very strange approach to take. You don’t like Jeffrey Sachs because 25-odd years ago he played a major role in Russian privatization. Okay, fine, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the Covid origins issue.

    Sachs served as chairman of the Lancet Covid Commission, so he was in the best possible position to talk with the leading scientific experts on Covid and get their views on its origin. There are probably only a handful of people in the world with better knowledge of those matters.

    Then in May, he co-authored a very important scientific paper in the prestigious PNAS journal, arguing that the Covid virus was artificial. This is probably the most important scientific journal article published that makes the case, and only someone with his academic prestige and courage could get it into print. He called for an independent scientific inquiry into Covid’s possible American origins.

    And a few weeks ago, he publicly stated that Covid probably came from America, and the clip of his remarks went super-viral, retweeted 11K times with a million views.

    Just because you’re still angry at Sachs’ mid-1990s promotion of neoliberal economic policies is a foolish reason to ignore the very important contribution he’s currently making on Covid matters.

    • Thanks: follyofwar
    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
  65. Karl1906 says:

    Should the Americans ever openly admit of this being true the Chinese will (not: “would”) counsider it a “casus belli”. And retaliate “accordingly”. They openly said so.

    For that matter alone the US will never admit it. But the Chinese know. And they will not forget.

  66. Ron Unz says:
    @Emslander

    Your theory continues to assert that some carrier from Fort Dietrich took the manufactured virus from Maryland to Wuhan in October of 2019. Why would that be necessary? Fauci, or the entire pharmaceutical/financial complex, had teams funded through the US government in labs spread all over the world.

    No, you’ve just been confused by all the ridiculous anti-Fauci propaganda.

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology was a large research institution and I think by 2019 it had a staff of something like 1,000. Meanwhile, American grants amounted to only a few hundred thousand dollars a year, probably only a sliver of the total. The notion that America or Fauci “controlled” the WIV is just ridiculous. They were just very minor participants in the research, but they were in a position to “keep tabs” on what WIV was doing.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  67. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @meamjojo

    Did you miss the part about an audience of 20 million?

    • Agree: ariadna
  68. Moncoeur says:

    Just a humble question: why “The Saker” (Andrei Raevski) does not write anymore for Unz Review? Raevski appears emphatically modest and Christian. But, isn’t he in love with himself, a narcissist? Very emotional and full of hatred against dissenters? On the Corona issue, Raevski does not tolerate any opinion other than his own. Anyway, this article by Ron Unz is first class information.

    • Replies: @ariadna
  69. @Ron Unz

    I have a feeling the entirety of the western media will choose to ignore it. On purpose or by orders from the editors.

  70. Meebs says:

    No, just like 9/11, covid19, the vaxxine, the monkeypox bioterror is an Israeli job.

  71. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Well said!

    And let’s not forget our Neocons https://mastersofdeception.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/masters-of-deception-chapter-fourteen

    “The former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad once stated: “The Jews rule the world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them.” A glance at the neoconservative warlords and their hidden Jewish agenda validate his every word.”

  72. Jon Chance says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The so-called “US government” is ruled by Jews.

    The Chinese Communist Party is ruled by Jews.

    The Islamic regime in Iran is ruled by Jews.

    The UK and EU are ruled by Jews.

    “Greater Israel” is ruled by Jews.

    Obviously the enslaved populations in all these nations are under intense attack by the WZO and other “globalist” terror organizations.

    What’s new?

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    • Troll: meamjojo
  73. Ron Unz says:
    @Tom Welsh

    While Mr Unz is certainly very influential – perhaps as much so as anyone outside the MSM nowadays – I think he may be flattering himself a little if he takes credit for prompting the Russian statements.

    Sure, I doubt that anyone in the Russian government had ever heard of me. But Sputnik is a Russian MSM outlet and my Sputnik interview on Covid’s likely American origins seemed to be very popular. So maybe it’s just a coincidence that a week later the Russian MoD discussed Covid in their biowarfare briefing and maybe it’s not.

    Similarly, over the last couple of weeks Iranian TV interviewed me for five hours, both on my Covid analysis and on the rest of my American Pravda articles, and the series should be broadcast on one of their main channels within the next month or so. If it generates public attention, maybe the Iranian political leadership will start talking about Covid again.

  74. @Kali

    Yes, it could have been easily mistaken for the flu until tests became available.

  75. @Ron Unz

    Unz’s (and indeed, anyone’s) reliance upon reports in the press of “unnamed intelligence sources” etc. must be regarded with the same skepticism. In other words, absent some type of extraordinary confirmation of a claim, there is no more reason to give credence to Unz’s sources than any other argument. How do we even know that such a DIA memo existed, much less that it was leaked to the press? Even if the memo exists, how do we ascertain it is genuine, not a falsification?

    I’m sorry Ron, but your claim of a secret DIA memo may be as fabricated as Dr. Fauci’s early 2020 hasty flurry of emails and arm-twisting to get “Natural origin” editorials published in leading journals was. I cite the latter as one of the infrequent cases where corroborating evidence later emerged, in this case, by FOIA-ed emails obtained in 2021.

    None of the above even proves Unz’s hypothesis is wrong. It is only to show that like nearly anyone else who is partisan, he’s cherry picking his evidence, and there is rarely any rational reason to give one piece of so-called evidence more credibility than another. In nearly all cases, the best we have is ambiguous information from which we can draw the most probable conclusions.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  76. Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, it is an illusion that works better than the real thing , for the elites behind this hoax do not have to worry about it getting out of hand and the terror effect is there with all the propaganda about the covid-19 illusion, here in Montana if someone is told there is a grizzly bear around the people would be scared even if there is not bear, the effect is the same, terror and so the people take the genocide MRNA injection.

    The PCR test is also a hoax, Kary Mullis the inventor of the PCR test said it was not to be used to test for diseases and also is on video saying the Fauci is a fraud and a liar, Mullis conviently died in August 2019 just a couple of months before the roll out of the covid-19 scam and psyop.

    Covid-19 is the biggest scam and genocide agenda in the history of the world.

  77. Nat X says:

    Fake news for the tin foil hat crowd…zzz

  78. Realist says:
    @Ron Unz

    Those in control of the United States have no compunction against using any means to keep and expand their goal of total world control. They are devoid of empathy and integrity…they are driven by an insatiable desire for wealth and power.

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @chris
  79. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    I don’t see where I said “controlled”.

    I said they funded sites all over the world. Though the Fauci funded elements may have been small portions of the Wuhan lab, they had the capability to follow written instructions. They had the precursors to the viruses.

    No transportation of the virus was necessary.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Ron Unz
  80. bert33 says:

    Someday all these medical and govt. people are going to hit the devil’s jackpot and kill us all by mistake and when they run out of freeze-dried food and have to emerge from their medical bunkers and try to make it on the surface their little creations will kill them too. It’s not nice to fool iwth mother nature and if there isn’t a germ warfare treaty yet then someone needs to get about it and start typing Fauci2bighouse

  81. @Ukraine Tiger

    Miss-speak, meant 6 million

    Unfortunately not!

    He is sticking to his 15 to 20 millions covid deaths. And when asked, never gives an explanation.

  82. @Ron Unz

    I think you’re right and I suspect a bit more is afoot. Tom Friedman’s comment in a recent NYTimes oped about the Washington DC Whitehouse people being at their wits end with Zelensky, the Amnesty International report about Ukraine war crimes and a recent fire in an Ozon warehouse outside of Moscow have me thinking that things are going on that are not discussed yet in public. “Not discussed in public” is a fitting characteristisation for this Russian Defense report, but oops, no longer. It’s a gigantic colossal outrage.

  83. J says: • Website

    Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

    Should they have been crying? בִּנְפֹל אויביך אַל-תִּשְׂמָח “Do not rejoice when your enemy falls…” – because idiots will accuse you of having pushed him.

  84. Emslander says:
    @Emslander

    No, you’ve just been confused by all the ridiculous anti-Fauci propaganda.

    Anyone who isn’t, by now, terminally skeptical of Mr. Fauci isn’t paying attention. Isn’t this the guy who guaranteed that his MRNA vaccines would protect against infection? Isn’t this the guy who, after quadruple injections, contracted the infection himself?

    Can’t you read the handwriting on the walls, Mr. Unz?

    It looks to me, however, that all of these theories, including the Unz theory, are beginning to converge into a very coherent central realization of what happened from September of 2019 to the present. I admire your web page for helping to facilitate the truth by being open to all expressions, including the cockamamie, Mr. Unz.

  85. @Q-ship

    It had to be known to those who authorized the release of the virus how contagious it was, and how likely it was to spread beyond the borders of China.

    No, they could not know before.

    Let’s assume that the virus leaked from Fort Detrick. The epidemy could be kept secret under the influenza hideout. There were from October 2019 ten of thousands such cases in the US and deaths attributed to that flu, which strangely never hit the European countries. Then to make the virus a “Chinese” virus, very simple: disseminate the virus in Wuhan, when it happened to be a miraculous coincidence: a market, a P4 lab and… the military game! Wonderful! Perfect!

  86. KenH says:

    Like poster #1 said the fact that U.S.- Russia relations are at a very low point needs to be considered when evaluating these claims by the Russian defense ministry. Just because the U.S. was studying novel coronaviruses in foreign labs doesn’t mean the U.S. is responsible for the 2019-2020 outbreak in Wuhan, China.

    Ron’s theories about COVID-19 may prove to be true in time but at this time they’re just circumstantial as he admitted. People like Jeffrey Sachs and others are making allegations with little hard evidence to back them up. Yes, the U.S. government is evil and capable of anything but so is China.

    China was also studying novel coronaviruses and the Chinese communist government is not comprised of human rights champions as people on this site tend to think. If the U.S. is involved in some way it’s probably in recruiting one or more workers in the Wuhan lab and getting them to release the virus in China in an attempt to destabilize China.

    If that theory is correct then it was done without orange man’s knowledge and approval.

  87. Anon[383] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Agree. Any ideas about how to deal with this?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Realist
  88. @Rurik

    Indeed. The US is the world double down headquarters. And weasels themselves take weasel lessons from its media. This will be increasingly interesting.

  89. Ron Unz says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    Unz’s (and indeed, anyone’s) reliance upon reports in the press of “unnamed intelligence sources” etc. must be regarded with the same skepticism…How do we even know that such a DIA memo existed, much less that it was leaked to the press? Even if the memo exists, how do we ascertain it is genuine, not a falsification?

    The team of top correspondents at ABC News described the contents of the secret DIA report based upon what they were told by four separate intelligence sources. A week later, Israeli TV independently confirmed the existence of the DIA report, which they said had been distributed to Israel and our NATO allies.

    Maybe all those journalists were independently lying, but there’s no reason to suspect that.

    • Agree: chris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  90. gay troll says:
    @Ron Unz

    safety shut-down of Ft. Detrick around that time.

    Not a safety shutdown, Ron. A documented leak of a classified pathogen or toxic agent. Why do you keep white washing this event with your weasel words? Talk about propaganda activism!

    Facts remain: the CDC shut down Fort Detrick for months but would not reveal the identity of the leaked agent. Then they stage managed an epidemic of novel pneumonia (EVALI) but would or could not reveal its etiological mechanism.

    So we had a pneumonia of unknown origin following a leak of an unknown pathogen, all in the months leading up to Wuhan. Could it all be a grand coincidence? Maybe. Could the CDC unredact their inspection report? Most definitely. Could Run stop using Orwellian euphemisms on behalf of the federal government? I doubt it.

  91. Ron Unz says:
    @Emslander

    I said they funded sites all over the world. Though the Fauci funded elements may have been small portions of the Wuhan lab, they had the capability to follow written instructions. They had the precursors to the viruses.

    You’re just confused. The budget of the Wuhan lab was probably something like \$100 million per year, while maybe one group at the lab had received a grant of \$500K from Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance for a particular project. Fauci may have played a role in getting Daszak his money, but that’s something different.

    Nobody at the lab was under Fauci’s strong influence and maybe no one working there had even heard of Fauci. Back in 2019, I doubt whether almost any Americans remembered who Fauci was.

    The whole Fauci connection with Wuhan is just a total Red Herring, promoted by people who hate Fauci for all sorts of other reasons, some of them probably good ones.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  92. @Fidelios Automata

    “I suspect the Chinese government has different (probably sinister) reasons for doing this; perhaps to halt an incipient rebellion?”

    Yes. Consider that China had the world’s largest housing bubble until the Evergreen fiasco caused it to pop in Aug 2021, leaving hundreds of millions of Chinese people stuck having to pay mortgages on properties that are now worthless.

    There are millions of mortgage defaults. Military troops have been deployed to stop angry mobs from destroying banks in many Chinese cities.

    China’s financial crisis dwarfs even the 2008 meltdown in the USA, and it continues to hemorrhage.

    Therefore I suspect that China’s government is now using Covid lock-downs as a means to keep the angry masses under control. China’s lock-downs involve the military, and they are far stricter than any lock-downs which occurred in the West during the pandemic hoax.

    Unlike the West, however, there is no mandatory vaccination, since China’s lock-downs are about crowd control, not about pharma profits or leftist supremacy.

    • LOL: Iris
  93. @Anonymous

    Being familiar with the world of USAID and the opaque connections of contractors I was like, “Shit yeah, makes sense to me!”

    And here’s USAID’s joint statement with the US Department of State:

    The Department of State and USAID Joint Strategic Plan FY 2022-2026 [21 MB] sets forth the vision and direction for both organizations, and presents how the Department and USAID will implement U.S. foreign policy and development assistance.

    Here is the download link: https://www.state.gov/joint-strategic-plan/

    State is a wholly owned subsidiary of Mossad at this point, it seems to me–the lair of such luminaries as Victoria Nuland, Khazar architect of the 2014 coup in Ukraine that replaced a pro-Russian Christian with a fellow (implacably anti-Russian) Khazar Jew.

    And this is why Ron will be disappointed if he is waiting for a truly open, honest, no-holds-barred investigation into the origins of Covid. If the scandal is hung on an American, it will be on one of the pet goyim, e.g., to use Ron’s own suggestions, John Boyle (obsequious Christian-Zionist dupe) or Mike Pompeo (OCZD). The true decision-makers’ names will not appear in the pages of his beloved New York Times.

    I don’t believe it is sufficiently accurate to describe the possible American source of Covid as a “rogue element” within the American Leviathan. That gives the rogue element too much agency. It is better described as a group of (witting or unwitting) foreign agents (traitors) working on behalf of some foreign (state or non-state) actor (elsewhere I give my reasons why I believe it is Israel). For the same reason Ron criticizes the use of the term “inside job” to describe the guilty in the 9-11 attacks, he should not use the term “rogue element” to describe the guilty in the Covidgate scandal.

    • Replies: @chris
  94. Anon[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @djm

    Ron only believes what the CDC tells him.

  95. US Public Health has willingly destroyed their own credibility with enough people now that all their future efforts will fail. And the blowback against this idiotic weaponizing of public health by the Democrats, and yes they all were Democrats, has not even started yet.

    Decades from now the pointless deaths, fearmongering, social destruction, infertility and ongoing injuries from the Scamdemic & jabs will become shorthand for the Clinton-Obama-DNC-Biden influence peddling and crime syndicate.

    • Agree: Emslander
  96. Anonymous[407] • Disclaimer says:

    I love the smell of CIA bot pit stank. How do we know all these niggling weasel commenters are CIA? It’s CIA that on the hook. Here’s why.

    The crime: Article 8 bis §2 Aggression. Regardless of a declaration of war – undeclared use of banned biological weapons also breaches Hague Convention (III,) invoking precedent justifying nuclear response.

    Constituent crimes:

    Article 8(2)(a)(ii)-3 War crime of biological experiments, open-and-shut smoking gun documentation taken in Ukraine. Article 8(2)(b)(x)-2 War crime of medical or scientific experiments. Vaccine EUAs. Ulterior constraint and coercion proven open source. Vaccine toxin identity with banned biological weapon SARS2.

    Article 8(2)(b)(iv) War crime of excessive incidental death, injury, or damage. Proven with open sources: inherently indiscriminate mass destruction weapons.

    It’s classified? Article 27§2 “Immunities or special procedural rules which may attach to the official capacity of a person, whether under national or international law, shall not bar the Court from exercising its jurisdiction over such a person.”

    Got that? The National Security Act! Stick it up your ass. The Central Intelligence Agency Act? Pftt. The Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the operational files exemption, the political questions doctrine, the state secrets privilege, the utmost deference doctrine, the deference upon deference doctrine, FASAB Standard 56, NSC 10/2, the National Security Directive of December 19, 1947, the Rogers-Huston memo et seq. Nobody gives a shit about your double-secret Nazi rules.

    Which brings us to Article 28 establishing command responsibility. The arbitrary conduct permitted by these get-out-of-jail-free cards constitutes effective command. When you can kill or torture anybody and get away with it, you’re in charge. And you can, as demonstrated by CIA impunity for formally-designated systematic and widespread torture and murder.

    Article 32§2. A mistake of law, you say? You thought up that clever gain-of-function name, but turns out it’s still in breach of BWTC Article 1? Tough shit. Manifestly unlawful crime against humanity per Article 32§2.

    https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/RS-Eng.pdf
    https://www.jus.uio.no/english/services/library/treaties/04/4-06/icc_statute.xml#treaty-header2-2

    Read up, Gina, Avril. The world is gonna hang you by your fuckin crepey neck.

  97. Realist says:
    @Anon

    Agree. Any ideas about how to deal with this?

    Well, it is certainly a dangerous subject. To start the electoral process is most definitely not an effective way to deal with the Deep State.

    I have said a number of times that one of the less confrontational approaches would be civil disobedience. A step-up in confrontation would be guerrilla tactics.

    The most ineffectual tactic would be direct confrontation with the muscle, police, FBI, military, or any other armed agency, of the government.

    When I refer to the Deep State, I am signifying the efforts of the plutocratic oligarchy and their desire for a hegemonic, one world order. This philosophy is the religion of the power elite.

    The power elite is made up mainly of two groups the rich that seek power and control and those in positions of government power…there are a few that are members of both groups. One must understand that having a wealth of a few million dollars confers no power or eliteness. Those with government power have gained such through an election, selling influence to the rich, appointments, or arrangements/agreements with others in government. The rich that seek power do it through buying influence from those in government or control of media, entertainment, or academia. Always remember the government is the muscle that allows the power elite to exist.

    The Achilles heel of the power elite is their support groups. the power elite is completely without the means of self-support. Their very existence is dependent on the people they despise. The demise of the power elite…and consequently the Deep State…will come about through the use of their support groups.

  98. @Ron Unz

    Then in May, he co-authored a very important scientific paper in the prestigious PNAS journal, arguing that the Covid virus was artificial.

    Having your name put on a scientific paper is a very different thing than being a genuine “co-author”. This is about attracting attention by using “star power”.

    Would you be as impressed if some well-known Hollywood type with a real education – somebody like Mayim Bialik – “co-authored” a paper in Astrophysics? A PhD. in neuroscience does not make her any kind of expert in any area outside her own field. Would you expect any of us to be dazzled if you “co-authored” a major paper on ants — or lobsters?

    From Sachs’s wiki:

    During a January 2021 interview, despite the interviewer’s repeated prompting, Sachs evaded questions about China’s repression of Uyghur people and resorted to whataboutism by alluding to “huge human rights abuses committed by the U.S.”[59]

    The man has been sucking up to the Chinese for reasons likely related to his own business interests. China has some real concerns about the Western Empire trying to destabilize its Muslim population, but pretending it isn’t harshly respoinding to those threats is quite dishonest of Sachs.

    I obviously don’t like Sachs or his type, but that’s quite unrelated to any observations about his extremely narrow “competence”.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  99. @ADeceptive Pseudonym

    Madoff stole from individual mucky muck investors and was prosecuted and imprisoned.

    Different class. The ones who ripped off the treasury and the taxpayers and the little guys paid no material penalty whatsoever. Some (Geitner the most obvious example) got huge honkin’ promotions.

  100. Russia and the world wasn’t supposed to know about 40+ Bio labs in Ukraine funded by US, using Russian citizens dna samples for a race specific bio weapon. Russia found that Ukrainian Azov Nazi battalion prisoners captured had a drug in there system that caused heighten aggression which desensitizes them from slaughtering both Ukrainians and Russians with no pity or mercy.

    The 2014 Ukraine coup was a planned US operation to attack Russia as is now playing out.

    President Pelosi just grabbed the reins of US government in our own US coup to prevent Trump or any other America First leader from being elected.

    China is the new sleeping giant that has awakened to western GlobalHomo world domination, and by siding with Russia plays checkmate on US/UN Agenda 2030.

    We are witnessing that SHTF moment we all knew was coming.

    We are in WWIII.

    • Replies: @Realist
  101. @Harold Smith

    It was the “perfect” mephistophelean event. It even killed a million Americans which perfectly dovetails with the aims of an apparatus eager to wage an overwhelming nuclear war – because it says “we are not the least bit deterred, nuke us to your heart’s content, as you can see American deaths in great numbers don’t perturb us.” It’s like Agamemmnon beheading his daughter Iphigenia before entering battle.

    • Thanks: Harold Smith
  102. chris says:
    @Rurik

    Yeah, definitely agree, Rurik, in the West, the story will be relegated to the “fake [sic] moon landing,“ file for all the reasons you listed; but outside of “the West“ it might gain a life of its own.

    And it will continue to be one of the stories which divide humanity and which remain an “unsolved mystery.“ And that’s just fine for the Western propaganda organs, because they‘ll be able to discredit non-Western news organizations by supposedly demonstrating just how preposterous they can be peddling stories like that.

    • Agree: Rurik
  103. Ron Unz says:
    @Zachary Smith

    Having your name put on a scientific paper is a very different thing than being a genuine “co-author”. This is about attracting attention by using “star power”.

    Sure, I generally agree and I’d assumed that Harrison, whose name was listed first, had been the main author, and he’d brought in Sachs to add weight and credibility.

    Or even just to get it published. Over the last couple of years, there’s been a large volume of web posts, Tweets, long articles, and books all arguing that the Covid virus was engineered, but it’s possible that the Harrison/Sachs article was the first to ever appear in a major academic journal. I wouldn’t be surprised if journal editors have completely blackballed such articles.

    Sachs is a member of the National Academic of Sciences and is therefore almost automatically entitled to publish anything he wants in its prestigious PNAS journal. So without his name, the very important article might never have appeared anywhere in print:

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2202769119

    China has some real concerns about the Western Empire trying to destabilize its Muslim population, but pretending it isn’t harshly respoinding to those threats is quite dishonest of Sachs.

    As for the “Uyghur Genocide/Repression,” people whose opinions I trust are convinced it’s all an American propaganda-hoax, and I fully agree with them.

    So on that issue, Sachs should be praised for not going along with that that propaganda bubble almost it’s promoted by 100% of the American MSM.

    .

    Incidentally, I should emphasize that anti-vaxxing or flu-hoaxery comments are very much off-topic on this thread and will probably be trashed. There’s a perfectly fine thread from a couple of weeks ago suitable for those:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/vaxxing-conspiracies-and-700000-rumble-views/

    • Agree: chris
  104. Realist says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    We are witnessing that SHTF moment we all knew was coming.

    We are in WWIII.

    This is doubtlessly true…this time it is for all the marbles.

  105. chris says:
    @Realist

    And they “know“ they will never be suspected or caught!

  106. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    You’re just confused. The budget of the Wuhan lab was probably something like \$100 million per year, while maybe one group at the lab had received a grant of \$500K from Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance for a particular project. Fauci may have played a role in getting Daszak his money, but that’s something different.

    You have to be saluted, Mr. Unz, for sticking with the detail of a theory far beyond its connection to logic.

    How much money would it take for Fauci to get the word out to all his little pockets of doom in labs around the world that it was time to release the “gain of function” virus?

    The virus turned out to be fairly mild, but the overblown reaction to it killed millions and will gradually destroy the current iteration of Western Civilization. The latter not necessarily a bad thing.

    • Agree: bike-anarkist
  107. @Q-ship

    I think that those who released the virus fully intended for it to spread, and the primary reason for this may well have been financial.

    As Allan Bloom said, “Economics is always subpolitical.”

    For me, the deepest penetration into the “whys” and “wherefores” of the world’s most significant political developments can be had by reading and understanding The Controversy of Zion, probably the most important book written in the 20th Century. It is available here for free on Unz Review, a fact that, by itself, assures Ron a seat at the speakers’ table in Heaven.

    https://www.unz.com/book/douglas_reed__the-controversy-of-zion/

    Here are the first three paragraphs:

    The true start of this affair occurred on a day in 458 BC which this narrative will reach in its sixth chapter. On that day the petty Palestinian tribe of Judah (earlier disowned by the Israelites) produced a racial creed, the disruptive effect of which on subsequent human affairs may have exceeded that of explosives or epidemics. This was the day on which the theory of the master-race was set up as “the Law.”

    At the time Judah was a small tribe among the subject-peoples of the Persian king, and what today is known as “the West” could not even be imagined. Now the Christian era is nearly two thousand years old and “Western civilization,” which grew out of it, is threatened with disintegration.

    The creed born in Judah 2,500 years ago, in the author’s opinion, has chiefly brought this about. The process, from original cause to present effect, can be fairly clearly traced because the period is, in the main, one of verifiable history.

  108. @Rurik

    Those crickets chirping caused Havana Syndrome among the CIA. They are still upset we have not massacred more people over those crickets.

  109. A123 says: • Website

    Russian Defense Ministry Suggests Direct American Government Responsibility for the Emergence of Covid

    A much more accurate headline would be:

    Russian Defense Ministry Suggests TRUMP Administration NOT Responsible for the Emergence of Covid

    Russia provided no information suggesting that President Trump authorized deployment of the WUHAN-19 virus as WMD (biologic) first strike. Realistically, neither Trump/USA nor Xi/PRC had anything to gain by ordering deployment of WMD’s. Such an action could easily start WW III escalating to WMD (nuclear).
    ___

    Key facts that I have introduced several times:

        • The virus entered the population pre-holiday timing
        • Tickets for train travel are pre-booked during this period
        • The lowest pay tier staff at WIV would be financially pressured

    Could a Wuhan Institute of Virology non scientist (receptionist, janitor, guard, intern, etc.) illicitly acquire apparently healthy animals slated for destruction, fixing the paperwork along the way? And, then sell them to fund a desperate train ticket purchase to reach an elderly & ill relative?

    Absent a confession, proving this sequence of events is more or less impossible. However, it fulfills the prerequisites of timing, human need, and a huge mistake rather than malice.

    What is more likely to stay secret:

        –A– Criminal activity by one or two people at massive personal risk if the plot is revealed?
        –B– A vast web like conspiracy bringing together multiple disciplines?

    An international attack on Wuhan initiated from another country requires a huge number of people, any one of whom might crack and go public if they suddenly develop a conscience. Obtaining a virus from Fort Detrick. Another team to weaponize the material. One or more additional teams to transport the weapons internationally, smuggle them through PRC customs, and then deploy them in Wuhan.
    ___

    Most importantly, there is *NO* credible motivation for U.S. release in Wuhan:

        • Pro-Trump forces were winning the MAGA vs. CCP contest and thus had no motivation to release a campaign ruining #NeverTrumpVirus.
        • Anti-Trump forces had no reason to attack their CCP ally rather than U.S. “Red State” targets.

    Without Motive — Means & Opportunity are irrelevant.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Harold Smith
    , @Derer
  110. @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz, I am open to your theory about the origin of the Covid-19 virus. I don’t know if it is true, but I am willing to consider it.

    I do find it strange that you assert that the US government is cable of such a monsterous act (no disagreement from me there), but you then turn around and dismiss in a rather demeaning manner those who have doubts about the vaccines. Again, I don’t know the truth about the vaccines, but I am willing to listen.

    It seems completely irrational to me that you think the US acted in such an evil manner with respect to creating the virus, but that anyone who doubts the same government in its actions with respect to the vaccines is a nutjob.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  111. Chebyshev says:

    As it is gradually accepted that the USG started the pandemic, maybe there will be more people coming to this site to read Ron’s articles about Jews and related issues.

  112. @Ron Unz

    virtually no alternative media outlets let alone mainstream ones have been willing to discuss this topic given its absolutely monumental implications

    That is not a small additon to your contestable theory. And you obviously regard it as important, as it certainly is if your earlier dire forecasts of the possible consequences are credible.

    You might, as a result of your publication of your American Pravda series qualify as an expert witness on the media but it would obviously be better for your case if you could enlist an independent expert to say that you are being factual and realistic rather than suffering from grandiosity in making the quoted statement.

    The ideal expert might be Bruce Shapiro, a weekly guest on Phillip Adams’ ABC Radio National program Late Night Live, and is Director of the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma at Columbia University. I have no doubt you would get an informed honest opinion from him if you wrote “anAustralian correspondent I have known for 25 years who is an old friend of Phillip Adams has suggested that you would be the ideal expert witness to counter any bias in my claim to that status when I assert/write etc…” . I have only corresponded with Phillip by email for over 5 years but I think “old friend” is justified by my vivid memory of his turning up to lunch at my house in 1981 in a red Ferrari sports car in which he was talking to New York on his car phone. A typical lefty ex-Communist advertising man in short.

  113. Seraphim says:

    The fact that the Chinese built almost overnight a huge hospital in Wuhan strongly suggest (imo is a proof) that they were aware and prepared. As well as many people. Remember the Benassi case and the ‘conspiracy of silence’ surrounding it. Ron was right from the start. If I remember correctly the case of spreading of the disease by the cruises which never stopped in China.

  114. @Ron Unz

    Somehow the link I posted got messed up; here it is again:

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    I think your reference is to the important Pekar study charting the Covid timeline in Wuhan. This became the basis for the mainstream epidemiology, and it provides exactly the pattern I’m describing. Patient Zero was infected roughly a couple of months before the outbreak became so large that the Chinese health authorities noticed it.

    That seems to be the pattern almost everywhere. If only a handful of people are infected with Covid, those local cases may just die out, but if they don’t, within a couple of months you’ll get an outbreak large enough to be very apparent to everyone.

    Yes that is apparently the study. According to the authors:

    “Our results highlight the unpredictable dynamics that characterized the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic. The successful establishment of SARS-CoV-2 postzoonosis was far from certain, as more than two-thirds of simulated epidemics quickly went extinct.”

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8139421/

    I infer from this that the spread of the virus is a detail-dependent stochastic process which rules out neither your view nor mine; the devil being in the details in any particular case – of which we can usually only speculate.

    But there is another apparent aspect of this which I didn’t see mentioned in the study and that is the feature of “seasonality.” For example, being that there are some studies showing that in general a person’s vitamin D status is inversely correlated to disease severity, it seems very plausible to me that the virus could circulate longer in the summer months before becoming, as you say, “an outbreak large enough to be very apparent to everyone”:

    “Of 1176 patients admitted, 253 had records of a 25(OH)D level prior to COVID-19 infection. A lower vitamin D status was more common in patients with the severe or critical disease (<20 ng/mL [87.4%]) than in individuals with mild or moderate disease (<20 ng/mL [34.3%] p < 0.001). Patients with vitamin D deficiency (<20 ng/mL) were 14 times more likely to have severe or critical disease than patients with 25(OH)D ≥40 ng/mL (odds ratio [OR], 14; 95% confidence interval [CI], 4 to 51; p < 0.001)."

    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0263069

    Another apparently significant feature of “seasonality” would be the effect of physical activity, as there are studies showing that physical inactivity generally directly correlates with disease severity (or conversely, that exercise is inversely correlated with disease severity):

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/exercise-may-strongly-protect-against-poor-covid-19-outcomes

    So in the late spring and summer you’d certainly have many people who’d be doing things like golfing, walking the dog, cutting the grass, washing the car, etc., where they’d be getting both exercise and vitamin D.

    So if any significant number of Americans had been infected with Covid around July 2019 then by September or October you would have had huge outbreaks dominating the American headlines and clogging all the hospitals. By the end of the year many millions would have been infected.

    In light of both theory and personal observation, I think you’re overstating it somewhat. For example, I personally know a married couple who live about 20 miles away from me who both had covid two weeks ago, yet there’s been no reported surge of cases in the area. In theory, if one of these two people had visited a friend or relative at a retirement home, they could’ve started an outbreak just like the one that happened at Greenspring in June and July 2019.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  115. @Ron Unz

    C’mon! Why do you persist in avoiding discussion of the prima facie much more probable explanation of intelligence agents telling a story to ABC news and Israeli TV that was denied by the government which is that some intelligence people made it up to damage Trump? You should recall that huge weight was added to that likelihood by ex Attorney-General Wiiliam Barr’s relating in a linked interview that 30 intelligence people got together to damage Trump by falsely denying that there was anything in the true story about Hunter Buden’s laptop’s hard drive

    • Replies: @D. K.
  116. Dystopian says:

    Is C19 a bio-weapon? Many “experts” seem to think it is but if we have learned one thing from this ordeal is that experts are not always right and most have another agenda. However, after almost three years, we have collected plenty of irrefutable facts. One is that government actions to control the spread of the virus were ineffective but they did normalize authoritarian control of the personal lives of citizens. The “vaccine” does not stop covid and there are numerous deadly and debilitating side effects. Remdesivir and vents contributed to the early demise of anyone who was unlucky enough to end up in the hospital with a respiratory infection. The medical industry is exempt from liability when they follow this protocol but anyone who tries to prescribe far more effective therapeutics loose their medical license. There is a perverse incentive for health care providers to label any death as covid so they can collect around \$70,000 in government payments. The hyperbole of millions killed by the disease fails to address the fact that most of the victims were already in God’s waiting room and would most likely have expired with any respiratory infection, especially if they received ineffective treatment. What the covid is a massive gas lighting operation. It’s purpose is to consolidate power and authority necessary to start the next stage of the great reset and the implementation of the UN’s agenda 2030. Articles like this only divert our attention from what is really going on but maybe that’s the authors intent.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @Liosnagcat
  117. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    You have forgotten that Ron was suggesting a kind of patriotic wickedness directed against China by “rogue actors” not something attributable to the government in the ordinary way.

  118. @Ron Unz

    those claims that Covid was circulating in America … in connection with vaping deaths …

    The enormous problem all these theories face is that the single most important characteristic of Covid is that it is extremely contagious

    Considering vaping claims alone:

    It wasn’t circulating amongst elderly, something was targeted specifically at young men. CDC/NIH and the media worked in concert to ignore reports of spiked vaping fluid in favor of their wagging finger against anything resembling smoking.

    Ground glass lung presentation

    Nurses complaining about a new form of treatment resistant pneumonia

    Corronavirus in general is very common and would be discounted as a rule in any diagnosis attempt.

    It was very successful precipitating a general crackdown on vaping.

    This avenue complements the bioweapon/bad-actors theory:

    [MORE]

    Contracted out. Less effective variant was only supposed to make news against vaping. Lung disease was long sought after by public health types, but failed to show up after over a decade of vaping.

    Bioweapon development will necessarily produce discarded variants which don’t meet immediate strategic requirements but which are nonetheless undesireable to live next to. The NBC soldiers tasked with disposal have probably been walking off with these party favors, delivering them to mercenary outfits, for decades.

    Anti-vaping has always had an anti-China aspect to it. The niccotine fluid does not come from tobacco; no ag-revenue or sin taxes to be had. The vaporizer designed to run on a small lithium ion battery is a purely Chinese invention. Viewed along Christian culture war or DeepState strategic angles it’s a deep strike into a long standing US politics/money institution.

    Trump was on the verge of negotiating a long term detante with China, diasarming the ballyhooed Thucydides trap, denying both the Pelosi and Pompeo/Alex Jones types their long desired religious war on the old Celestial East Asia. The same bad actors who saw such success against vaping took the same action against their dreaded peace and good living.

  119. @Rurik

    Thanks Rurik for your well-made points abt the criminal entity known as the USA and by extension the “collective west”, particularly Perfidious Albion, and how far we can expect honesty from their media.

    As one who has not purchased a “newspaper” in decades and doesn’t own a tv (a position I strongly recommend and yes I have considered the counter arguments) I’d say your summation is perfect.
    “Crickets” is the expected response, no doubt.

    But how important is that?
    How important is the blathering lying western media?
    I mean in the global scope?
    In which the collective west’s influence and (if you like) moral stature is diminishing day by day. Gay parade “values”, disastrous policies follow one after each other.

    I heard today that China has quit the Climate Hoax bullshit following Nancy’s kind visit.. This decision made just after USA passed a raft of handout legislation to Al Gore’s mates. LOL.
    There is coming a time when the corrupt and depraved west’s media will be as irrelevant as those they lie for.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  120. Mehen says:

  121. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:

    The site is at its core an umbilical organ of continuous pandemic nay-saying surrounded by pulsating veins of racist bile. That’s been the sweet creamy center of Unzrev since Covid-19 dropped.

    Yet somehow UnzRev (representing the latent paranoiac neuroses and grievances of estranged US conservatives everywhere) has gone from arguments that Covid was pure hype of epic proportions intended to waylay the sheeple of America into a total submission to Gates’ program of 5G chip implants towards a total reversal (now that Ron has taken a couple of years to write a multi-book fan fiction of his own mental processes) that Covid must be, by the sheer tonnage of confabulations, a dastardly plan hidden in plain sight at its origins and the subject of a total coverup fraught by malignant neglect for the welfare of the world’s peoples a broken link in the chain of a sinister cause to destroy China.

    The lynchpin of this turnaround from dismissal of epic hype to claim of epic subterfuge is vague news of the deaths of some Iranian bigwigs, purportedly from Covid. Don’t bother to think much about the details because just explaining the narrow circumstances of those deaths in context could require a story of 100,000 words (yet to be written) and that’s just one of a multitude of epic dramas Unz lays out that will range encyclopedically across generational plans of legion of neocons, political exploits three-letter-agencies, turncoat Trump generals, Ukrainian biowarfare labs, Q, Dr. Ahmed Elgazzar of the Benha University of Egyptology, etc on and on, with interludes of of heavy breathing from hupping around sheer tonnages of confabulations.

    Dear Ron, I understand the feeling of personal investment in a big art project, but maybe you can do more with less?

    Take a lesson from the quiche-eaters?

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/akeemk/chorizo-james-webb-space-telescope

  122. Lemonade1 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Mr. Smith and Mr. Unz,

    I was living in McLean, VA in 2019 and caught a terrible flu late July and then a relapse or mutation in September 2019.

    When my daughter brought home a flu in March 2020, my immune system threw it off with ease, while my daughter, her boyfriend and my son were mighty ill for maybe a week.

    Lemonade 🙂

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  123. The ultimate in gas lighting:

    “One’s inherent, sovereign immunity cannot be allowed.”

    In other words, those that did not have to, want to, and will never be going to take the jabs… their sentiments do not count.

    Also, if the SARS-CoV19 is a bioweapon, that makes the “Experimental Gene Therapeutics also a bioweapon.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  124. @Pixo

    It is an operation. The Russians did not invade Chechnya…I mean Ukraine. Russians never lie.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @annamaria
  125. incitatus says:

    Ron’s Pravda, where taking breath is a conspiracy (unless you exhale approved crackpot verbiage).

    Peddling “circumstantial” COVID nonsense attracted Russian attention? What a surprise!!!!

    It’s better helped by Sach’s tidbits. Forget midwife editor Arnaud Bertrand, self-styled twitter “Entrepreneur“ (definition: ‘I have no genuine expertise, but I made a lot of questionable money and can now spend my life spewing conspiracy and lies to make myself feel better’: Seem familiar Ron?).

    None-the-less, the Sputnik accolade and your popularity is Big, Big News! Top-of-the-World! Congratulations! Explains everything! Though all facts remain unsolved.

    Don’t worry, another aberrant news item will no doubt surface soon, allowing renewed controversial allegations of conspiracy. More UR site clicks – what could be better?

    Doubtless in primitive age it was the same for Stalin’s Pravda, telling peasants 23 Aug 1939 ‘Germans are our friends’. Yes indeed, that endured.

    “It now appears that these developments [Russian news articles linked to Unz] may have helped prompt Russia’s own national security establishment into taking a more forceful public position on these important international issues.”

    You’re proudly taking credit for Russia’s “more forceful” response? Really?

    • Replies: @Iris
  126. @Ron Unz

    Russia has been releasing a lot of information about Ukraine’s biolabs. Like documents found, their analysis, kind of experiments/research that was being done etc. The whole info and documents can be accessed via Russia’s Ministry of Defence English Telegram Channel https://t.me/mod_russia_en

    What’s clear is that US was doing lots of research with various pathogens. Obvioulsy whole of western media outlets have totally ignore what Russia says. But it’s understatement to say the whole thing issue of biolabs is horrifying even assuming a half of what is said is true or partly true.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Ron Unz
  127. @Lemonade1

    Thanks for the information.

    I’m wondering: at the time you got sick in July 2019 were you aware of the recent outbreak of a “mysterious respiratory illness” in Springfield, VA (15 miles away?)? And did you visit a doctor, and if so did he think your illness was unusual?

    • Replies: @Lemonade1
  128. Iris says:
    @incitatus

    Don’t worry, another aberrant news item will no doubt surface soon, allowing renewed controversial allegations of conspiracy.

    Actually, it is happening as you write.

    Professor Konstantin Krutovsky, chair of the laboratory of genomic research at Siberian Federal University and Professor at Goettingen University, is now re-assessing the 2002 SARS-1 and 2012 MERS epidemics under the new bioweapon angle.

    The high death rates of the first strains of coronavirus, which were recorded in the early 2000s and in 2012, may indicate that it could have been developed and used as a potential bioweapons, he told Tass.

    “It is hypothetically possible to develop a coronavirus as a potential biological weapon, as the mortality rates of the first strains of SARS-Cov-1 and MERS-Cov were very high. During the SARS-Cov-1 outbreak in 2002-2003, about 700 of about 8,000 infected patients died, which is 9%. Along with this, 800 patients died out of 2,500 infected people, which is already 32%,” Krutovsky noted.

    https://tass.com/world/1490043

    The world is rapidly crumbling over your head: all these Goyim plebs are waking up.

  129. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    Russia provided no information suggesting that President Trump authorized deployment of the WUHAN-19 virus as WMD (biologic) first strike. Realistically, neither Trump/USA nor Xi/PRC had anything to gain by ordering deployment of WMD’s. Such an action could easily start WW III escalating to WMD (nuclear).

    You don’t need to rely upon Russian implications. Trump’s lackadaisical personal reaction once the Covid virus began circulating in America almost certainly proves that he didn’t have a clue it was an American bioweapon that had leaked back here. After all, he publicly said it would just disappear by itself.

  130. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

    The chances of another gain-of-function, weaponized virus appearing by chance and coincidentally with the waning fears over Covid and Omicron added to the expected call from Democrats for renewal of mail-in ballots in November due to monkeypox is just about zero. Of course monkeypox was weaponized. What standard of evidence calls for deductive proof in the face of what’s otherwise as obvious as the gain-of-function weaponization of covid?

    This leprosy-like, horrific disease of skin lesions is intended to re-create the fears of Covid in spades, even if its otherwise a disease of homosexual men from consuming the feces, urine, and semen of other homosexuals whose body waste has become extraordinarily diseased from having had sex with monkeys. It’ll probably be pushed by Fauci as AIDS was by him years ago—no longer just a disease of the “gay community,” and one now targeting women, children, and the general population, with fireman Fauci there with another lethal vaccination program from Pfizer coincidentally ready to go.

  131. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    RT summed up the D.I.A. controversy, on Friday, April 17, 2020:

    ***

    With a series of mostly anonymous claims and denials from dueling intelligence sources, as well as purported classified documents nobody in the public has actually laid eyes on, it remains unclear exactly when the American intel community caught wind of China’s epidemic.

    ***

    If I were to assume, arguendo, that there actually was such a D.I.A. report, released internally in or about the second week of November 2019, I would assume that it referred to the outbreak among scores, if not hundreds, of visiting military athletes, less than a month earlier, as discussed in the other comment thread. Whether that outbreak, and the apparent response of the local authorities, had to do with Covid-19, as many of those stricken athletes later concluded, or a run-of-the-mill strain of flu, it reasonably would have given rise to just the type of warning that the D.I.A. allegedly offered up, both domestically and internationally, concentrating on (a) the possibility of a catastrophic outbreak, with the potential to become a pandemic, and (b) the potential vulnerability of American and allied troops, especially those stationed in East Asia. Someone’s notion of such a report’s being a “smoking gun” that referred to events that actually had yet to happen seems to me to be more like the smoke from a pipe that was common in China, over a century ago.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Ron Unz
  132. I’m supposed to credit this theory *more* because Jeffrey Sachs credits it? Opposite direction. Sachs was the clown/villain who contributed to the destruction of the Russian economy and then in his second act said he would raise Africa’s standard of living to that of the first world. How’d that work out?

    My one interaction with him was in Harvard Square in the 90s. V active chess scene there (anybody remember the Chessmaster with his water gun?). Sachs was hovering around one day, so I asked him to play. He nervously agreed. He didn’t know what he was doing but was gracious about it. The world would be a better place if he worked on his chess game.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  133. And, I suppose, you believe the Russian MoD, which little more than a money laundering op for the oligarchs and Putin. We already know where the Covid virus came from, and, yes, there are people in the US FedGov who have their fingerprints on it. people at UNC Chapel Hill have their finger prints on it as well as the Red Chinese regime in Peking. None of this is news and has been known for more then 2 years.

    • Troll: Olivier1973, Derer
  134. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Trump’s whispered aside to Pompeo during a press conference—something like “I wish you had told us”—suggests DJT was not in the loop with Fauci et al, but that Pompeo was.

    • Agree: Derer
  135. Vanya says:

    Russian MOD can’t even figure out how to blow up a bridge or a rail line, how can we expect them to figure out anything more complex?

  136. @A123

    Russia provided no information suggesting that President Trump authorized deployment of the WUHAN-19 virus as WMD (biologic) first strike.

    Well what kind of information to this effect would you expect them to provide under the circumstances, a video recording of a meeting where Trump gives his assent to such a biowarfare attack?

    Realistically, neither Trump/USA nor Xi/PRC had anything to gain by ordering deployment of WMD’s. Such an action could easily start WW III escalating to WMD (nuclear).

    Realistically, what did Charles Manson and the Manson family have to gain by murdering Sharon Tate and everyone at her house? Such an action could have easily got them the death penalty or life in prison.

    And for that matter, realistically, what did “Trump/USA” “gain” by attacking the Shayrat airbase in Syria, or seizing Venezuela’s diplomatic property or exiting the INF treaty or repudiating the JCPOA agreement with Iran or moving the embassy to Jerusalem or assassinating General Soleimani or starting a self-destructive trade war with China? The historical record shows that it is routine for U.S. presidents to take risks which could start wars including WW3 or have other damaging consequences; risks for which there is no apparent benefit for the people of the U.S.

    You see, just like the case of Charles Manson and the Manson family, Trump and other U.S. presidents do what they do because they’re evil.

  137. @Anonymous

    So 15 million would only mean that only 1% of the most vulnerable died.

    That is a stupid reasoning. 15 million dead means 15 million dead. Learn to have some degree of sympathy and empathy. Trying to think too rationally could lead you intentionally or inadvertently to associating yourself with the likes of the Nazis and their crimes against humanity.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @Liosnagcat
  138. AW says:

    https://metallicman.com/ten-truths-that-cannot-be-published-in-the-united-states/

    Ten Truths That Can’t Be Published Under The U.S. Regime

    Written by Eric ZUESSE on 04/08/2022

    1.The overthrow of Yanukovych in Ukraine in February 2014 was a U.S. coup, and definitely not a democratic revolution there.

    2. The U.S. Government and its ‘news’-media lied — didn’t merely “err” — to deceive the U.S. public to believe the “Saddam’s WMD” falsehoods that were used to ‘justify’ criminally invading Iraq on 20 March 2003.
    *
    *
    10. The U.S. regime’s being a regime — a dictatorship instead of a democracy — has been repeatedly proven, and is an established fact, to the contrary of all the lies and liars.
    Calling it “the U.S. regime” is effectively prohibited, though it is certainly true.

    In fact, a good case can be made that the U.S. is the world’s #1 police-state.

    READ ON . . . USE THE LINK . . .
    All about the Empire of Lies aka the USA !

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  139. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Trump’s lackadaisical personal reaction once the Covid virus began circulating in America almost certainly proves that he didn’t have a clue it was an American bioweapon that had leaked back here. After all, he publicly said it would just disappear by itself.

    That is a good start, and I appreciate your affirmation that the U.S. Administration at the time was not involved.

    Now lets dig a little deeper.

    Without Presidential authorization obtaining the virus from a U.S. military facility would be a crime. So, if Fort Detrick is the source, the plot is inherently anti-American. An act of of sedition at best, full fledged treason at worst. So…

    Who has the motive to conduct sedition/treason against America?

    Any U.S. tie must be with fundamentally Anti-American groups — NeoConDemocrats, SJW’s, BLM, Antifa, WEF, UN/NWO, other allies of the DNC, etc.

    Collectively these Leftoids have defining characteristics. They are abysmally stupid, despise American MAGA Christianity, have a total absence of common sense, they brag and preen at every opportunity, and critically they love CCP Elites.

    Why would a Leftoid ally of the CCP attack Wuhan?

    Leftoids are the shallowest part of the human gene pool. Most of them probably could not find Wuhan on a map.

    — Selecting such a target? Bigly improbable.
    — Planning a complex, cross border act of aggression? Even more improbable.
    — Successful execution without first contaminating the U.S.? Inconceivable!

    Given that any such plot would be driven by hatred of God and America.

    Why would they not opt for a simpler “Red State” attack plan, such as targeting NASCAR events?

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ron Unz
  140. @Ron Unz

    Tass reported on 3/24/22 that elements of NATO transferred 16,000 biological samples from Ukraine during the initial phase of Russia’s invasion. Dangerous pathogens and their carriers were relocated along with the blood and tissue samples. It was inferred in the article that NATO was involved in the making of a specific biological agent targeted at the regional population of eastern Ukraine and the borderlands of Russia.

    • Agree: JamesinNM
  141. @Johnny Rico

    Chechnya is Russia.

    Ukraine is Russia too.

    As per the referendum of 17 March 1991.

    The liberation has begun.

    • Agree: Derer, mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Derer
  142. I’m reminded of Hestons words in ‘Planet Of The Apes’ “Damn you! Damn you all to hell!”

    • Thanks: Reverend Goody
  143. JamesinNM says:

    That is also what Dr. David E. Martin suggested, based upon his patent research on Covid and the related vaccines.

  144. Anon[380] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron is finally getting the attention he craves. But even if he is proven correct, his analysis in the end accomplishes nothing.

    The US has an enormous international network of biowarfare (err, biodefense) laboratories. Does Ron propose to shutter them all?

    Does Ron support this aspect of the DOD?

    What about other countries with similar programs, like the only (((demoNcracy))) in the Middle East?

    Furthermore, does Ron propose that the US pay reparations to the world for causing this crisis with all of its woeful economic dislocations and ramification?

    What exactly does he hope to achieve by publicizing this idea?

    • Replies: @Anon
  145. @bike-anarkist

    Also, if the SARS-CoV19 is a bioweapon, that makes the “Experimental Gene Therapeutics also a bioweapon.

    It is what Ron will never understand.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Thanks: Emslander
  146. Anon[380] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Who was behind the anthrax attacks after 9/11 they came out of US biowarfare labs? None of the leftist organizations you propose with such disingenuity.

    • LOL: A123
  147. Although I believe I have presented an enormous amount of circumstantial—and even more than circumstantial—evidence for this extremely controversial hypothesis, virtually no alternative media outlets let alone mainstream ones have been willing to discuss this topic given its absolutely monumental implications. But that may now be starting to change.

    With respect, your hypothesis is not controversial at all – in fact I would go so far as to categorise your position as a substantive theory arguably provable as fact. The belated Russian statements now in the media serve to reinforce the truth of the matter – although exactly why they have delayed so long in asserting what they already knew practically from day one is IMO something of a puzzle (the Russians do like to play chess).

    The difference between yourself and so many others out there right now is that you have focused all your attention on the opening battle of a larger ongoing campaign in a literal Globalist war of conquest, the initial action in the unfolding Great Reset with its depopulation agenda on the path to their New World Order.

    As for “absolutely monumental implications”, we’re way past that stage, and the implications are more monumental than you seem to be willing to imagine. In Post #12 here in this forum, you stated…

    Since a unit of the DIA produced a secret intelligence report describing a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan before it actually occurred, that obviously demonstrated foreknowledge.

    … and yet you steadfastly avoid similar acknowledgement of the Globalist foreknowledge shown by their openly wargaming the fake “pandemic” in their Event 201 rehearsal in October 2019 – an event attended by so many of the Globalist agents embedded in Western Governments all around the world – agents who dutifully returned to their respective nations and proceeded to simultaneously implement economically destructive and openly eugenic policies against their populations in lockstep.

    Or you minimise the significance of that event by casting Dr. Evil himself, Klaus Schwab, as some sort of irrelevant door-to-door shoe salesman. Klaus Schwab, who openly boasts about the WEF’s subversion of most Western governments with numerous entrenched Globalist agents, and claims that fully half of the Canadian government works for him! Other researchers with impeccable track records such as Martin Armstrong don’t take Klaus Schwab and his cabal of psychopath billionaire Globalists so lightly.

    I say again – you don’t have to beat your drum so loudly, the conclusions from your research are understood and widely accepted, and even the Russians are now substantiating your claims. Your position is only controversial if you give a rat’s arse about what the Globalist-controlled propaganda organs otherwise known as Western mainstream media continue to feed their audience – but that audience has collapsed over the past several years precisely because so many people have woken up to their lies.

    Meanwhile, the war against humanity has continued apace, and has now moved far beyond those early releases of biowarfare pathogens in targeted locations. Perhaps alternative media hasn’t given your research the attention it deserves because we now have more pressing existential concerns to deal with that fall outside the important but limited scope of your studies.

    IMO your skills would better serve humanity by redirecting your research to connect the dots between the political foot soldiers conducting this onslaught against humanity, and their masters.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Hartmann
    , @Ron Unz
  148. The Gimp says:

    Covid-19 is the biggest money laundering scheme in the history of this country.

    Even many “in the know” are still trapped in the virus story and the Covid merry-go-round.
    As long as good people continue to assert that this manufactured crisis was in fact an actual epidemiological event the ghouls that concocted this lie will have fertile ground to create the next one- which rest assured is in the pipeline.

    “Covid” is the engineered destabilization of the global economy.

    “COVID-19”, the operation, is essentially a cover-up for systematic debt-leveraged
    monetary expansion.

    “Covid-19”, the disease, is nothing more than a disease of ATTRIBUTION to other causes.

  149. chris says:
    @Ron Unz

    At this stage, it’s impossible for anyone to do more than loosely speculate about the actual mechanics of the attack—who was involved, which biolab provided the Covid virus, and how the virus was deployed in Wuhan (and Qom, Iran).

    Though I agree with your comment, that these speculations, by their nature don’t lend themselves to too many specifics, based on the scenario which you sketched out, then I do think that the responsible bio lab, is very likely to have been Fort Detrick, the one lab which was closed in 2019, right before the outbreak.

    Closed bio labs leave no viral trails!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  150. The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) documents displaying the group’s enthusiastic perception/embrace of genetically-specific biological weapons developed near that time weren’t bizarre sarcastic remarks, or published on April Fool’s Day.. Those PNAC documents were as sober and as serious as it gets..

    • Agree: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ron Unz
  151. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Beautifully stated!

  152. Anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jerry Alatalo

    Genetically specific bioweapons? Can you provide some links please?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  153. It’s a wonder anyone is still alive.

  154. chris says:
    @Craig Nelsen

    I agree. This had to have been set in motion in a much more coordinated way. Alone, running “Crimson Contagion“ right before the real deal would have made practically all the direct participants a little more than suspicious about the origins of the virus.

    This operation was war-gamed throughout its development, and since its unpredictable outcome could have had (and ultimately did have) detrimental effects on the two indispensable nations, it’s impossible for their governmental roles to have been merely passive. Did Pompeo call his bosses overseas and say he’s kicking off a world-changing program?

    As far as Nuland and Pompeo are concerned, for all their bumbling schemings, they’re not the ones making the long-term plans, that’s above their pay grade.

  155. Spacer says:

    The Ukraine trail looks interesting. Trying to connect the dots here.

    1/ Could Zelensky holds some key documents proving that the USA and her allies did research on Covid-19? This could explain the unquestioned full support of the West towards Ukraine so far.

    2/ Moreover, there has been no Covid panic in Ukraine. Ever heard of overcrowded hospitals in Kiev? With the casualties of war, there should have been a hospital crisis out there when one starts to add war casualties to hospitals theoretically already full of covid patients. Are the Ukrainians somehow… immune already to Covid?

    3/ Monkeypox. Appeared in UK and USA. Could UK/USA advisors in Ukraine have brought back the disease after some lab “exfiltration” or “cleanup”?

  156. Athena says:

    1996 – see BOOK: Emerging Viruses: AIDS And Ebola : Nature, Accident or Intentional? Limited Edition
    by Leonard G. Horowitz

    The depopulation agenda of Rockefeller, Kissinger, and friend. 1996.

    ”Dr. Len Horowitz is the Harvard Doctor who found out that the AIDS virus was manufactured in Government sponsored bio-medical labs and spread throughout Africa by UN-sponsored vaccinations programs.”

    ”Past history and new revelations continue to unmask the truth behind the vaccination programs being pushed upon us.”

    ”Think Depopulation Agenda – this is not only about the Shadow Government which is operating in and controlling America. This is part of a Luciferian Agenda which is being played out on a global scale by powerful Elite families.”

  157. @Anon

    “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool” (p. 60).

    http://resistir.info/livros/rebuilding_americas_defenses.pdf

  158. ariadna says:
    @Moncoeur

    He didn’t strike me as “emphatically modest.”

  159. @D. K.

    Thanks. While your alternative version is consistent with the Administration being too embarrassed to admit to receiving the report, it doesn’t explain why it hasn’t now been used against the Trump Administration if it existed. Also the modest exposure by 4 intelligence agents and a planted report in Israel is much more consistent with a pure anti Trump fabrication.

  160. Emslander says:
    @Charles Martel France

    That is a stupid reasoning. 15 million dead means 15 million dead.

    Yes. That’s a lot of dead, but the issue is whether the CV19 killed them. Most people now understand that the number assigned to CV19 were tabulated if the deceased only tested positive at the time of their death, not whether the symptoms of the virus caused the death.

    Unz loves to throw numbers around in order to make an impression when they have no probative value. The numbers of dead include an unknown, but very large, percentage of people who didn’t die of the virus. The whole universe knows that.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  161. Derer says:
    @Olivier1973

    That should shut up the unwashed illiterates.

  162. @Siberian Frost

    I regard the truth about US run or financed bio labs in Ukraine as so unlikely to be the subject of anything yet published that I remain sceptical all round. But is it not true that the facilities in Ukraine had been Soviet era biolabs and would it not make quite innocent sense for the US to achieve economies (how rare!) by using them?

  163. whywhywhy says:

    Then why did China release copious instant death videos then never ever mention it? Why did the US never mention it?

    Clearly they are in cahoots.

  164. Derer says:
    @A123

    “Most importantly, there is *NO* credible motivation for U.S. release in Wuhan:”

    Even 15 year old would comprehend the “credible motivation” being blame it on China. The spread to creators homeland was a imbecilic miscalculation.

  165. @Ron Unz

    Your enthusiasm for the spreading of your messages via Rumble views and the like is understandable though, correspondingly, you might find the relationship of the many times greater viewership of Mearsheimer videos to his actual influence somewhat deflating.

    Presumably Rumble [and other media] viewing numbers don’t tell you how much was listened to by any or all viewers/listeners or how many, for example, switched off without understanding a word or even providing evidence of incomprehension by the idiocy of their contributions to Comment threads as illustrated by most of UR commentary.

    Can you give some idea of how your successful efforts to gain attention are achieving anything of substance?

    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  166. Ron Unz says:
    @Siberian Frost

    Russia has been releasing a lot of information about Ukraine’s biolabs. Like documents found, their analysis, kind of experiments/research that was being done etc. The whole info and documents can be accessed via Russia’s Ministry of Defence English Telegram Channel

    Sure, I tend to credit those Russian claims. But the problem is that I just don’t have the technical expertise to evaluate the documents, so I can’t say whether or not they’re authentic.

    However, I do think that someone like Scott Ritter has an absolutely ideal background for that sort of thing since he served as an Intelligence officer and then was Chief UN Weapons Inspector in Iraq, with a major focus on those sorts of biological weapons. On one of his podcasts a month or two ago, he’d indicated that he’d looked at some of those documents and thought they were genuine. So I tend to agree, but I’m just relying upon the opinion of someone else.

    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  167. dux.ie says:
    @Sam Smith

    > we really don’t know the side effects and long term effects

    Yes we do. Up to 50% of those recovered will have long COVID with reduced physical fitness and foggy brain. There are also interruption to schooling. In another 3 years we might be able to assess if the symptoms are long term. In the mean time, it is estimated that on average the global smart fraction IQs have decreased by about 21.5% as determined by the relative national scores in the International Mathematical Olypiads pre and post COVID. Year 2020 is too soon and so it is decided to use Year 2021. Sweden practiced the herd immunity strategy and let COVID reap through the population and it has suffered a shocking nation smart fraction IQ drop of 39.1%. US dabbled in herd immunity in the early stage and laggard in lockdowns and vaccinations that it has suffered 27.3% drop in nationa smart fraction IQ. The country performances are usually pretty stable. For example between 2018 and 2019 the global IMO smart fraction improved by +6.5% whereas between 2019 and 2021 that decreases by -21.5%.

  168. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    If I were to assume, arguendo, that there actually was such a D.I.A. report, released internally in or about the second week of November 2019, I would assume that it referred to the outbreak among scores, if not hundreds, of visiting military athletes, less than a month earlier, as discussed in the other comment thread.

    As usual, you’re totally confused and you’ve obviously never bothered reading my articles let alone looking at the ABC News story describing the secret DIA report.

    The report never said anything about sick athletes, which is hardly surprising since it was produced before most of them would have even returned home. Instead, it allegedly relied upon satellite photos and things like that. How could satellite photos show a massive disease outbreak at the beginning of November when we now know that Patient Zero was infected around November 18th, and probably had no symptoms for the next week or two? A very good question…

    I discussed all of this in one my articles last year, which you obviously didn’t bother to read:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#trying-to-disguise-a-smoking-gun

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
    , @D. K.
  169. @Fidelios Automata

    ‘…to halt an incipient rebellion’, in a country where EVERY poll of opinion, Chinese or other, finds massive support for the Government. You racist Sinophobes are truly deranged in your poisonous wishful thinking.

  170. @Wizard of Oz

    The evidence is unequivocal and has been known for years, but our resident arse-kisser of all things Imperial simply dismisses it. Of course on does not know if this is the dishonesty of an habitual boot-licker, de rigeur in Austfailia’s ninth-rate ‘elites’, or simply dementia, or a bit of both.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  171. Hartmann says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Brilliant comment (although perhaps conceding too much to RU in the first paragraph), and nicely complements comment #117.

  172. @Harold Smith

    Here in Austfailia Vitamin D status is only ever mentioned to attack it. The resident ABC disinfo peddler, the one who described ivermectin, very early on, after the first in vitro studies here revealed it efficacy, as ‘sheep dip’, attacked Vitamin D on the basis of one deranged study where the victims were given 60K units, once a month, by IM injection, if I recollect correctly. All the other studies that reveal it effectiveness in vivo (even St. Fauci takes it) have been TOTALLY ignored. I really think it, and all the other lies and prevarications, amount to mass murder.

  173. @chris

    Closed bio labs leave no viral trails!

    Really? Is that an expert opinion?

    • LOL: chris
  174. @Ron Unz

    After all, he publicly said it would just disappear by itself.

    But isn’t that exactly what the planners in the scenario you posit believed would happen, at least as far as America was concerned? That the bioweapon attack on china wouldn’t blow back into america, just like the other biowarfare attacks didn’t blow back into america? why couldn’t the planners have convinced trump that they were right about the unlikelihood or impossibility of covid blowing back into the US? is it because Trump’s such a shrewd operator that he would have gone against the planners, so they had to do it behind his back? I suspect you leave trump out of this conspiracy because you don’t want to stir the ire of his fanbase, which probably overlaps with the readers of this website.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  175. Anon[613] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Holding dangerous criminals to account, preventing their future crimes and deterring evil, like minded criminal gangs is such a silly notion, isn’t it?

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  176. Ron Unz says:
    @The Athenian Stranger

    I’m supposed to credit this theory *more* because Jeffrey Sachs credits it? Opposite direction. Sachs was the clown/villain who contributed to the destruction of the Russian economy

    No. Sachs’ importance is that he managed to publish the first and only academic journal article pointing to the very strong evidence that Covid was artificial. Moreover, a clip of his public remarks along similar lines were Retweeted out 11K times and viewed over a million.

    Obviously, the Russians have far more reason to be angry at the consequences of Sachs’ misguided 1990s neoliberal policies than an (apparent) American such as yourself. But notice that the top Russian general cited Sachs and I only originally found out about his remarks because I read them on RT.

    So if the Russian officials and Russian media regard Sachs’ current statements on Covid as so extremely important, perhaps you should as well.

  177. Ron Unz says:
    @A123

    Without Presidential authorization obtaining the virus from a U.S. military facility would be a crime.

    Sure. If American government officials release a dangerous bioweapon without Presidential authorization, that’s obviously a crime.

    If through their recklessness and incompetence, they end up killing over a million Americans and totally disrupting our entire society for the last two years, that’s obviously a very, very, VERY big crime.

    • Replies: @orchardist
    , @A123
  178. @Ron Unz

    the satellite data might have been a lot of activity around and in chinese hospitals and maybe crematoria, morgues, graveyards. anyway, how can we be certain the chinese are giving accurate information about the timing of patient 0 getting sick? maybe patient 0 got sick a month earlier than the chinese reported. we are relying on chinese honesty here, and wouldn’t they have a great incentive to lie, considering one of the big complaints against china has been that they failed to alert the world in a timely manner of the disease that was spreading in their country, and would soon spread outside it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  179. Ron Unz says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    … and yet you steadfastly avoid similar acknowledgement of the Globalist foreknowledge shown by their openly wargaming the fake “pandemic” in their Event 201 rehearsal in October 2019 – an event attended by so many of the Globalist agents embedded in Western Governments all around the world – agents who dutifully returned to their respective nations and proceeded to simultaneously implement economically destructive and openly eugenic policies against their populations in lockstep.

    Or you minimise the significance of that event by casting Dr. Evil himself, Klaus Schwab, as some sort of irrelevant door-to-door shoe salesman. Klaus Schwab, who openly boasts about the WEF’s subversion of most Western governments with numerous entrenched Globalist agents, and claims that fully half of the Canadian government works for him! Other researchers with impeccable track records such as Martin Armstrong don’t take Klaus Schwab and his cabal of psychopath billionaire Globalists so lightly.

    Early on, all the leftist-conspiracy websites and activists were focusing on exactly these issues, such as the Event 201 stuff, but I was always extremely skeptical.

    SARS appeared around 2003, MERS around 2008, and there have been other epidemic media-panics involving Ebola and Zika viruses. So it’s hardly surprising that international organizations would regularly hold epidemic exercises such as Event 201, and in fact, there’s a whole list of them that were held over the last 10-15 years. I don’t regard any of that as strong evidence of foreknowledge of the Covid outbreak. In fact, Event 201 only lasted for a few hours and didn’t involve an outbreak in China.

    In sharp contrast, consider the Crimson Contagion exercise, which I’ve emphasized. It was run by America’s top biowarfare official, lasted for eight months, involved a large number of federal and state officials, and was aimed at protecting America from infection by a dangerous respiratory virus appearing in China. Just a few weeks after the exercise ended, a virus of exactly those characteristics suddenly appeared in China.

    I think one major reason that crackpot conspiracy-activists love focusing on Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab because they’re much safer targets than the likely perpetrators of the Covid outbreak, namely senior figures in the American national security apparatus.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  180. Ron Unz says:
    @Jerry Alatalo

    The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) documents displaying the group’s enthusiastic perception/embrace of genetically-specific biological weapons developed near that time weren’t bizarre sarcastic remarks, or published on April Fool’s Day.. Those PNAC documents were as sober and as serious as it gets..

    People on the Internet are always citing that PNAC document, but I think that’s more due to ignorance more than anything else.

    The notion of producing genetically-targeted bioweapons has been around for many, many decades, probably even long before the DNA nature of genetics was discovered. I’m sure that lots of countries all around the world have been working on it.

    Around 30-odd years ago, the London Times broke a big story revealing that Israel was actively trying to develop bioweapons that would only target Arabs, though unsuccessfully. South Africa was trying to develop bioweapons targeting blacks.

    So if many different countries have been working on genetic bioweapons for decades, why should anyone be surprised that the PNAC people mentioned it in one of their documents?

  181. Ron Unz says:
    @Emslander

    Yes. That’s a lot of dead, but the issue is whether the CV19 killed them. Most people now understand that the number assigned to CV19 were tabulated if the deceased only tested positive at the time of their death, not whether the symptoms of the virus caused the death.

    Most of these figures are based on “excess deaths.” For example, roughly 1.3 million more Americans died since the Covid epidemic began than would normally be expected. Similarly, India had around 4 million excess deaths.

    Flu Hoaxers such as yourself are already so totally brain-dead that dying of Covid would probably be a mercy.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  182. @Ron Unz

    anybody who spends about 10 minutes googling scott ritter will find he confessed, while strapped into a lie detector machine and under interrogation by the CIA, that he passed classified US data to Israel, thus ending in ignominy his hopes for advancement within US national security establishment. why does unz trust this disgruntled traitor for israel? and why should any of you? I do appreciate that unz has stopped sharing the russian propaganda videos scott makes, probably because scott is so inept at hiding his ticks indicating deception and which are likely to inspire suspicion in the wary viewer.

    • Replies: @Mis(ter)Anthrope
  183. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your enthusiasm for the spreading of your messages via Rumble views and the like is understandable though, correspondingly, you might find the relationship of the many times greater viewership of Mearsheimer videos to his actual influence somewhat deflating.

    I’ve been friendly with John Mearsheimer for a dozen years, and in one of my notes a few weeks ago I emphasized that although I was very pleased with how well my videos were doing, their viewership numbers were utterly negligible compared to the 40 million or so views his had gotten over the last few months on Youtube.

    But as far as I can tell, he’s set an all-time Internet record for academic lectures, with nobody else coming even close. I think such longstanding AAA academic celebrities such as Noam Chomsky, Richard Dawkins, and Steven Pinker are all down around 10-15 million views.

    So I’m extremely satisfied with my 900,000 views on Rumble, especially since Rumble has such a tiny potential audience compared to Youtube. Unfortunately, Youtube seems to shadow-ban controversial Covid videos.

    However, perhaps at some point people around the Internet will be made aware of my analysis and start to think I might be correct in arguing that the Covid outbreak was due to an American biowarfare attack. And if that happens, then I think my viewership might start to give John Mearsheimer’s a run for his money.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Wokechoke
  184. I think one major reason that crackpot conspiracy-activists love focusing on Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab because they’re much safer targets than the likely perpetrators of the Covid outbreak, namely senior figures in the American national security apparatus.

    Would you say that Dr. David Martin, Dr. Peter McCullogh, Dr. Reiner Fuellmich and Martin Armstrong (among many other eminent scientists, doctors and subject matter experts) are crackpot conspiracy theorists? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.

    You keep doing the same thing over and over again – constructing and reconfirming your world view within a strictly limited context which cannot acknowledge (let alone account for) global developments beyond the initial staged commencement of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic”.

    You’re still targeting the “perpetrators” of a military-driven crime from several years ago, oblivious to the enormity of the ongoing orchestrated atrocity being inflicted on the entire human race. Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab aren’t “much safer targets”, they’re much bigger targets with far greater reach and influence than the small fry you seem to be caught up on, and in truth gave the marching orders to the “perpetrators” you have gone to such meticulous lengths to identify and then call “case closed”.

    A bit like arresting the two-bit bank robbers while the city-wide crime spree driven by the mafia bosses continues unopposed.

    Sigh. You can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  185. Ron Unz says:
    @bombthe3gorgesdam

    the satellite data might have been a lot of activity around and in chinese hospitals and maybe crematoria, morgues, graveyards.

    There’s no satellite data of an epidemic weeks before the first victim has experienced symptoms or even become infected.

    Read my article that I linked; I’m not going to repeat myself.

    • Thanks: bombthe3gorgesdam
    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  186. @Charles Martel France

    Trying to think too rationally could lead you intentionally or inadvertently to associating yourself with the likes of the Nazis and their crimes against humanity.

    So predictable, and so reliably wrong. I’m not sure what you mean by “Nazi”, but, on the outside chance you are referring to the National Socialists of the Third Reich, they committed no crimes against humanity. None.

    Incidentally, you are not worthy of your chosen moniker.

  187. @Ron Unz

    I just skimmed the article you linked. you should do so, too, because it doesn’t match what you wrote in the comment I replied to. here’s what you wrote in the article:

    The exact date of Wuhan’s Patient Zero is much more difficult to determine, but can probably be roughly estimated….

    Based upon the characteristics of the virus and employing a series of simulations using standard molecular clock techniques, the researchers concluded that the outbreak in Hubei province probably began no earlier than mid-October 2019, while regional newspaper reports suggest that Covid was already actively circulating by November 17, 2019.

    you were much more cautious about asserting a specific date of infection for patient 0 in your article than you are today with your comment. you also push the infection date forward to the 18th of novemeber in today’s comment, while in your article you allow that it might have been as early as mid october, and include the (smoking gun?) information that regional chinese newspapers were already reporting on the disease by november 17, which is 1 day before you say patient 0 was infected in today’s comment. I think you must have just misremembered the content of the science article you were basing the date of patient 0’s infection on in your article, and also misremembering the content of your own article, but thanks to me following your instruction to go read it (I had already read it), this matter has been cleared up for us.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  188. @bombthe3gorgesdam

    He is also a convicted sex offender.

    • Replies: @Drive-by poster
  189. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “As usual, you’re totally confused and you’ve obviously never bothered reading my articles let alone looking at the ABC News story describing the secret DIA report.

    . . .

    “I discussed all of this in one my articles last year, which you obviously didn’t bother to read:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#trying-to-disguise-a-smoking-gun

    I have read your entire “Covid/Biowarfare Series”– which is even more verbose and repetitive than that JFK-assassination book that I recommended to our friend Down Under, on the previous thread, for its evidence as to RFK’s presidential prospects and intentions, in 1968– and, as of the other night, I have watched all three of the podcasts that you had linked to, in full.

    Pro bono publico: You’re rich; try springing for some decent new clothes for your next media appearance(s)– or else, stick to radio. (With your face, that would be my overarching advice, anyway.)

    “The report never said anything about sick athletes, which is hardly surprising since it was produced before most of them would have even returned home. Instead, it allegedly relied upon satellite photos and things like that. How could satellite photos show a massive disease outbreak at the beginning of November when we now know that Patient Zero was infected around November 18th, and probably had no symptoms for the next week or two? A very good question…”

    Here is the opening of the online-print version of the (refuted) ABC News story that you still cling to:

    ***

    As far back as late November, U.S. intelligence officials were warning that a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population, according to four sources briefed on the secret reporting.

    Concerns about what is now known to be the novel coronavirus pandemic were detailed in a November intelligence report by the military’s National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), according to two officials familiar with the document’s contents.

    The report was the result of analysis of wire and computer intercepts, coupled with satellite images. It raised alarms because an out-of-control disease would pose a serious threat to U.S. forces in Asia — forces that depend on the NCMI’s work. And it paints a picture of an American government that could have ramped up mitigation and containment efforts far earlier to prepare for a crisis poised to come home.

    “Analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event,” one of the sources said of the NCMI’s report. “It was then briefed multiple times to” the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s Joint Staff and the White House.

    ***

    Along with the fact that the (refuted) story refers to “late November” (rather than to the second week of November), it merely mentions “satellite images.” It says nothing about the nature of those images. Your assumption that it must be referring to hospital traffic, let alone hospital traffic due to an influx of early Covid-19 cases, appears nowhere in the ABC News story. Since even you refer to it, above, as “the secret D.I.A. report,” I assume that you have not procured a copy of it, in the last two and a third years, and so have no factual basis whatsoever for your assumption that “satellite images” refers specifically to hospital traffic, rather than to traffic more generally, as well as other things detectable from space.

    Since you apparently have had no more access to the reputed D.I.A. report– the very existence of which has been denied publicly by the very branch of the D.I.A. that reputedly produced it– than I have, you have no idea when the report was produced internally, and no way of knowing whether or not it mentioned the prominent disease outbreak among visiting military athletes at the World Military Games in Wuhan, in October 2019. Your assumptions that (a) it was produced before they had returned home, in late October, and (b) that the D.I.A. could not have been aware of those illnesses until after the participants had done so, are both utterly baseless.

  190. @bombthe3gorgesdam

    Fair point and you might extend speculation to plotters who were not so deliberately intending damage to China as irresponsibly experimenting with what they supposed, rightly enough,was a virus with early stage minor gain of function. They could well have discussed it with Trump in a way which left him with a somewhat confused memory, and open to being told that he had approved their harmless enough experiment. It is not beyond the scope of rational imagination that only moderately callous plotters would have wanted America’s defences tested too.

  191. @Ron Unz

    crackpot conspiracy-activists love focusing on Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab because they’re much safer targets than the likely perpetrators of the Covid outbreak

    The “crackpots” are completely correct when they cite that Gates and Schwab have been advocating everyone in the world be vaccinated against Covid 19. Unlike Unz’s conspiracy theory about the source and motive of Covid 19, the evidence for Gates and Schwab promoting mandates and lockdowns, etc. is absolutely concrete. This is terribly strange for such a relatively mild pathogen. WHY are both these (Jewish ?) creeps pushing this mystery juice on the planet? Why do they not speak up for Ivermectin, and vitamin D for that matter? I mean, if they are so hip.

    And why does Unz never integrate and expose the madness of the lockdowns into his thesis? Has he never heard of the Great Barrington Declaration? Or how the VAERS data is total dynamite? And so on. Crimini, this is bad medicine if ever there was any.

  192. @Ron Unz

    I acknowledge that proof that your theory is true would be of great consequence. And that would be a contrast with the Mearsheimer complaints about America unless he was on the way to persuading Americans and their rulers that America should retreat into prospering in a a populous empire or confederacy of Central and North Anerica and letting the rest of the world go to hall.

  193. mkr says:

    @Ron Unz , how do you reconcile your hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 was a targeted bioweapon attack against China and Iran in order to destabilize their economies with the fact that the virus is a worldwide event and is not isolated to only China or Iran?

    @Ron Unz , how do you reconcile your hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 killed over a million Americans with the fact that public health officials in America have publically stated that they are counting every death as a Covid death as long as the person tests positive for the virus, even if they die of other causes such as a gun shot wound or die in a car crash? In addition, public health officials have acknowledged that the PCR test has trouble distinguishing between the common flu and SARS-CoV-2, they have admitted to inflating the cycles used in the PCR tests which would produce false positives for SARS-CoV-2, and they want us to believe that the common flu disappeared in 2020 which they attribute to mask usage and social distancing which is absurd as those practices are Covid compliance theater and do nothing to prevent spread of viruses and actually promote the spread of viruses by pretending that they somehow prevent infection?

    Who benefits when the whole world’s economy, not just China and Irans, is attacked by SARS-CoV-2?

    Who benefits when there is an obviously inflated death count and public health measures are enacted which do the opposite of what public health officials said they would do? Everything the public health officials have done does the opposite of what they said the measures would do: the “vaccine” is neither safe nor effective; the “vaccine” enhances infection and transmission and does nothing (UK and Scotland official data) to lessen symptoms or the death rate; the “vaccine” is a leaky “vaccine” not designed to prevent infection which promotes viral mutations and new variants to emerge thus prolonging the “pandemic”; the masking and social distancing do nothing to prevent infection and actually convey a false sense of security that contributes to viral spread; the PCR tests don’t work and produce false positives; Remdesivir is a harmful drug causing at least one out of five recipients to get kidney failure; Paxlovid promotes long term infection and the emergence of new SARS-CoV-2 variants; the public health authorities actively suppressed all non-regime approved therapeutics even though they have been shown to be effective; natural immunity is not respected nor acknowledged or even talked about even though it is superior to everything else; the list goes on and on.

    Why do all roads for the regime lead to prolonging the “pandemic”, wrecking the worldwide economy, and getting “vaccinated”?

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  194. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    Flu Hoaxers such as yourself are already so totally brain-dead that dying of Covid would probably be a mercy.

    This insistence of yours upon calling people cute little hyphenated names is an indication of failure, Mr. Unz. Your Covid as bio-warfare theory is based upon questionable statistics, extremely circumstantial events and unsupported speculation. It’s not much of a mystery that you have to be so petty.

    And why do you feel compelled to continue to pimp for the biggest flu-hoaxer of them all, Anthony Fauci?

  195. anastasia says:

    Since the most cases have occurred in Western Europe and America, showing the greatest number of deaths, is Unz saying that our government did this to China and Iran, negligently not considering the possible effect on America and western Europe?. After all, the “virus” hardly went outside of Wuhan, but in the west, the effects of it have been so much worse.

    Sometimes gross negligence is so gross, one begins to suspect it is deliberate.

  196. anastasia says:
    @Pixo

    They had no plan to go in until western Ukraine planned and was physically putting in place that major genocidal attack on their own people in the Donbas region, who they had been previously attacking since 2014, killing up to that time 16,000 of their Ukranian Donbass civilians.
    Putin called it genocide. He was right.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @annamaria
  197. cohen says:

    Ron
    You did an excellent job and a great service to population by allowing dissenting opinions of Covid Hoax (I call it a Hoax for obvious reasons) which is being substantiated by new information slowly coming out. Writing a review on Kennedy’s book on Fauci was a great help and bold step.

    I think the next challenge is put these criminals behind bars by exposing their lies and crimes. Of course there will be promises of investigations by congress, their favorite pass time. I hope more space is given on UNZ for stories on vaccine deaths, and long term adverse effects. People loosing their jobs for refusing to take vaccines. There got to be some data on such topics which eventually will come out after 10 years or so for sensational values.

    I love when the commentators put factual links on this site.

    I was in a local hospital a few days ago and learned from a young male nurse who collapsed after taking his 2nd shot. Thank God he was in the hospital when it happened and received timely attention. He is 27 years old and much into sports. He told me his personal experience of Covid booster victims brought ER. I think vaccine adverse effects exposure is our future frontier. Put the criminals behind bars or at least make them take the 4 or five boosters.

  198. asparagus says:

    PREDICT was not the only program. DEFUSE. Dual attack on Wuhan + Russia? Black and Veatch gave \$500k Department of Defense money to Pandora Global Health in Ukraine in 2019 Nov to “study COVID-19”. Material transfer forms published by The Expose show “coronavirus vaccine candidates” were shipped to Ukraine 2019 Dec.

  199. oneno says: • Website

    Ptaah: Your question precedes me, because I wanted to bring up what we have explored in this contact conversation anyway. It turned out – I put it carefully – that the American … sought advice from a scientist in virology named …, who is now deceased. Then … travelled to China, where he agreed with Mao to commission researchers in suitable laboratories, who then began their work according to the order. This was the actual beginning, from which the first laboratory successes resulted and it also happened towards the end of the 7th decade of the 20th century that one of the laboratory assistants became infected with the new artificially created virus and spread this first variation in a disseminating manner. In addition, at the same time as the laboratory worker, 2 female bats of the diverse species Rhinolophidae were infected with the Corona virus, which as a result of the accidental circumstances escaped into the wild and joined their own kind. Consequently, these were also infected, but they remained only carriers of the disease virus, but were themselves immune to the outbreak of the disease. This laboratory-generated and released virus mutated thousands of times until the end of the millennium, infecting human beings who fell ill with a wide variety of ailments, causing many to die, like the laboratory worker himself who was infected by the accident. In the meantime, however, research and tests have continued since then, resulting in the Corona virus. This – again caused by a carelessness of a laboratory accident – again infected a laboratory worker in January 2019, who by infecting himself carried the virus and in this way spread the Corona plague, which very quickly spread on Earth among the peoples and became a pandemic.

  200. @Ron Unz

    ” Without Presidential authorization obtaining the virus from a U.S. military facility would be a crime.”

    Not even close; faulty assumption: covert ops are designed and executed specifically to keep the POTUS OUT of the loop. What you cite would be one of those cases.

    Surely you don’t think that every throat that is slit by every commando on every secret raid into someones back yard wedding party is individually approved by the President before it happens, do you?

    More throats are slit based on just a wink and a nod than you can imagine. And by “authority” emanating from levels far lower than the POTUS.

    “If American government officials release a dangerous bioweapon without Presidential authorization, that’s obviously a crime.”

    Not exactly true: Presidents delegate authority to accomplish tasks; they care not how those tasks are accomplished (other than cheap and fast). In fact, the protocols of office require that they NOT know how those tasks are accomplished. That’s how the Executive Branch has been run since George Washington.

    “If through their recklessness and incompetence, they end up killing over a million Americans and totally disrupting our entire society for the last two years, that’s obviously a very, very, VERY big crime.”

    In whose eyes? Who is going to prosecute? What was the mission?

    The moral standards you and I may hold are surely not the same as those operative in the halls of the federal government.

    There are no “Nice Guys” within the Beltway.

    Trying to understand the Covid Affair on those faulty premises will surely lead to some faulty conclusions.

    • Replies: @A123
  201. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    Like I previously said, you haven’t closely read the underlying material, and you’re therefore confused.

    Along with the fact that the (refuted) story refers to “late November” (rather than to the second week of November)

    No. According to the ABC News story, the secret DIA report was sent to the White House in “late November” however the Israeli TV report revealed that it had been produced in “the second week of November,” which is perfectly consistent.

    The new research study by leading scientific experts widely promoted in the MSM indicates that the Wuhan outbreak began substantially later than had previously been believed:

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

    Patient Zero became infected around November 18th, with a 95% confidence interval that the first infection occurred 23 October to 8 December. It takes a week or so before an infected individual displays any significant symptoms. So it’s unlikely that there was a single symptomatic case in Wuhan, a city of 11 million, at the time that the secret DIA report warned of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place there.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  202. Ron Unz says:
    @bombthe3gorgesdam

    you were much more cautious about asserting a specific date of infection for patient 0 in your article than you are today with your comment. you also push the infection date forward to the 18th of novemeber in today’s comment, while in your article you allow that it might have been as early as mid october

    That’s because the infection timeline has been substantially shifted by the latest scientific research analysis, as discussed in my recent columns. Look at the remarks in my preceding comment.

  203. A commentator named Peter AU1 wrote something very interesting, and very relevant to this discussion, on Andre Martyanov’s blog Friday.

    “The more I look into this, I begin to see that where Russia is turning out next gen kinetic strategic weapons systems, US has gone biological for its next gen strategic weapons.”

    I do believe that is quite a profound insight.

    Smoothiex12.blogspot.com

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  204. @mkr

    @Ron Unz , how do you reconcile your hypothesis that SARS-CoV-2 was a targeted bioweapon attack against China and Iran in order to destabilize their economies with the fact that the virus is a worldwide event and is not isolated to only China or Iran?

    In fairness to Mr. Unz, the initial phase of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic” did indeed seem to involve specifically targeting China and Iran with some sort of pathogen, which actually killed a bunch of high-ranking officials in Iran.

    The subsequent “spread” to numerous nations simultaneously around the world appears to have been (as Dr. Reiner Fuellmich charactises it) a “pandemic” of PCR testing (as even the American CDC has some time ago openly admitted, the notorious PCR test is unable to detect anything – it can’t tell an active infection from residual detritus, and it has no ability to differentiate any bug from any other) and blatant policy-driven medical malpractice duplicated in lockstep around the globe.

    Incidentally, that’s why they’ve now introduced the Rapid Antigen Tests (RAT) to replace the useless PCR tests – but critically, the RATs have been calibrated to detect the infamous “spike protein”, which means that anyone injected with the fake “vaccines” is now prone to test “positive” with the RATs. The “vaccinated” may as well test “positive”, because they’re the ones now filling up the hospitals and the morgues (although it’s the injections that are killing them, not any alleged Corona Chan bug).

    Apart from the thing about China and Iran (Mr. Unz is probably correct in that respect – although he also seems incapable of seeing beyond that limited horizon), the rest of your comment is entirely correct IMO. For whatever reason (and someone of Mr. Unz’ intellectual calibre may well have his reasons), Mr. Unz appears to be unwilling to expand his analysis of the fake Corona Chan “pandemic” beyond its inauguration by a bunch of small fry meathead military stooges and their handlers. The possibility of a much larger agenda in play, decades in the planning and truly global in scope, seems to be too preposterous for Mr. Unz to even contemplate.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Hartmann
  205. @D. K.

    Pro bono publico: You’re rich; try springing for some decent new clothes for your next media appearance(s)– or else, stick to radio. (With your face, that would be my overarching advice, anyway.)

    As our favourite socially dysfunctional autistic misfit sailing around the world on her frigging yacht might say – “How dare you!”.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  206. annamaria says:
    @anastasia

    The concept of honor is no longer factored into the US/NATO army brass minds: https://turcopolier.com
    Pat Lang:

    This increase in partisan activity [in Ukrine] probably reflects the presence of US Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets) advising and training. This is our preferred mode of operation. It is why we were created. DOL. pl”

    The Green Berets are willing servants to Usurers, the MIC, and multinational fascist corporations. They know the situation and still serve the psychopathic Owners of the collective west. A far cry from the honorable Smedley Butler, the bravest Marine in US history: https://americanswhotellthetruth.org/portraits/major-general-smedley-butler/

    I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism. I suspected I was just part of the racket all the time. Now I am sure of it.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/SmedleyButler.jpeg/220px-SmedleyButler.jpeg

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  207. annamaria says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Your post channels the sanctimonious voices of Gershman and Kagans. Still peddling the talmudic “democracy on the march,” @Johnny Rico (aka Shaya Itsikovich)? The Ziocons were exceptionally active in creating, in collaboration with self-proclaimed Nazis, “a land without a people” in Ukraine.
    http://www.thehypertexts.com/Israeli%20Prime%20Ministers%20Terrorists%20Nakba.htm

    Israeli prime ministers who were terrorists and war criminals:

    David Ben-Gurion — #1 — Ben-Gurion [Grün, the midget] commanded the ethnic cleansing of approximately 750,000 Arabs during the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian villages in 1948.
    Levi Eshkol — #2 — Eshkol presided over the ethnic cleansing of another 250,000 Palestinians.
    Menachem Begin — #3 — Begin was the preeminent terrorist in the Middle East, murdering Arabs, Englishmen and Jews … until Ben-Gurion and Eshkol surpassed him.
    Ariel Sharon — #4 — A murderous war hawk, Sharon was responsible for the massacres of civilians at Qibya, Sabra and Shatila.
    Benjamin Netanyahu — #5 — “Bibi” caused the deaths and mutilations of thousands of children during Operations “Cast Lead,” “Pillar of Defense” and “Protective Edge.”
    Yitzhak Shamir — #6 — Shamir, as head of the terrorist Stern Gang, had British and Swedish nobles murdered for seeking peace between Palestinians and Israeli Jews!
    Ehud Barak — #7 — A cross-dressing assassin, Barak participated in death squads that killed women, policemen and a poet known as “The Conscience.”
    Golda Meir — #8 — “Mother Israel” threatened to destroy the world with nukes during a BBC interview and more than once insisted that Palestinians “did not exist” as a people.
    Yitzhak Rabin — #9 — Rabin signed an order for the children of Lydda to be ethnically cleansed “quickly, without attention to age.”
    Yigal Allon — #10 — Allon served in Special Night Squads which tortured and killed “without compunction.”
    Ehud Olmert — #11 — Olmert presided over the 2006 invasion of Lebanon, which killed 1,300 people and displaced more than a million others.
    Moshe Sharett — #12 — Sharett was a staunch proponent of compulsory population transfer (ethnic cleansing).
    Shimon Peres — #13 — Peres aggressively pursued nuclear weapons and succeeded in delivering them.

    I lived as best I could, and then I died.
    Be careful where you step: the grave is wide.
    —Michael R. Burch, “Epitaph for a Palestinian Child”

    • Thanks: Iris, Olivier1973, acementhead
  208. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Without Presidential authorization obtaining the virus from a U.S. military facility would be a crime.

    Sure. If American government officials release a dangerous bioweapon without Presidential authorization, that’s obviously a crime.

    If through their recklessness and incompetence, they end up killing over a million Americans and totally disrupting our entire society for the last two years, that’s obviously a very, very, VERY big crime

    I agree, with very minor tweaks to word selection.

    If Anti-American traitors release a dangerous bioweapon without Presidential authorization, that’s obviously a crime against America.

    If through their recklessness and incompetence, they end up killing over a million Americans and totally disrupting our entire society for the last two years, that’s obviously a very, very, VERY big crime against America.
    ____

    Now let us examine Motive & Simplicity.

    Why would an Anti-American criminal conspiracy release a virus in Wuhan, China?

    What is the plausibility of a Blue State operatives stealing the virus, weaponizing it for spread potential, smuggling it across the Pacific Ocean, clearing PRC customs, continuing to move it around internally, and then releasing it at a primary CCP rail hub. You would need a significant number of operatives who were:
        • Anti-Trump
        • Anti-American workers/citizens
        • Anti-CCP
        • Anti-Chinese workers/citizens
    Add to this a material chance at ending the human race. An unauthorized, American origin WMD (biologic) strike in China could easily result in a WW III total forces nuclear engagement.

    Recruiting a pool of technically qualified conspirators who are both Anti-Trump and simultaneously Anti-CCP sounds like an almost insurmountable hurdle. MAGA Haters almost universally embrace CCP friendly SJW multiculturalism.
    ___

    An anti-American criminal Blue State conspiracy stealing the virus and releasing in in Red States to diminish MAGA votes… That has plausibility as a scenario. Blue State loathing of Red State Christian values is easy to find. And, such a plan is fairly straightforward. [MORE]

    Consider the question this way:

    For any pool of potential conspirators — Is “FT DETRICK ➔ WUHAN” the simplest plan to achieve their objectives?

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    Simply tossing an easily vaporized carrier liquid onto an asphalt/concrete track under Green Flag at a NASCAR oval night event would use tire energy, track temperature, and vehicle created airflow/mixing to disperse the virus onto tens, possibly hundreds, of thousands of Red State target Christian enemies. Exposing even a fraction of that number of Chinese (civilian enemies?) is vastly harder.

  209. anon[254] • Disclaimer says:

    Now Unz is calling people names and threatening them.

    Good argumentation.

    Excess death statistics are bogus because they don’t take into account population increase.

    Also, excess death statistics are bogus because they, and by they I mean Unz, are not comparing yearly death statistics with yearly deaths going back 50/100 years. If they did, they would see that there IS NO unusual excess mortality. They would find that mortality in recent years is comparable to that of previous years–when enough previous years are compared.

    These absolute facts have been pointed out to him again and again and he answers with name-calling and threats.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Thanks: Emslander
    • Replies: @R2b
    , @D. K.
  210. Ocko says:

    I think it is about time to take down the ‘Oligarchs’, illuminati, or whatever they are called. They have zero interest of people’s need. They just exploit, abduct and kill children for their drug addiction, start wars for no good reason, wreck whole nations, pollute this planet with their poison, destroy the weather, poison the food, kill people with viruses and on and on.

    They commit any crime without any repercussions.

    The first step is the secession of States and organize a government of WeThePeople. You can’t trust anyone in government right now

    • Replies: @Craig Nelsen
  211. A123 says: • Website
    @orchardist

    ” Without Presidential authorization obtaining the virus from a U.S. military facility would be a crime.”

    Not even close; faulty assumption: covert ops are designed and executed specifically to keep the POTUS OUT of the loop. What you cite would be one of those cases

    No doubt there are lesser SpecOps with conventional weapons that do not go before POTUS.

    The scenario here is an extremely provocative ACT OF WAR — WMD (biologic) first strike against another nation with a WMD (nuclear) arsenal. It would be 100% illegal without a complete POTUS briefing and sign off. No amount of nudging, nodding, or winking could possibly suffice when WMD’s are involved. One could make a credible case that a WMD first strike would be illegal without a full Declaration of War from Congress.

    Hopefully, the next MAGA President, House, and Senate, will repeal the abysmal and almost certainly unconstitutional, War Powers Act legislation. I suspect even @geokat62 would support such an initiative.

    PEACE 😇

  212. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron. You’re conceding too much when you accede to the lie that Covid-19 exists (as against a bad flu). I am well aware that doing so can seem rhetorically clever and politically effective. But it is dishonest.

    What isn’t a lie is the harm–the lockdowns, the economic and personal disruptions, etc.–caused by the response to this official, thus ubiquitous lie. We can all agree to fight the harm; we should not promote the lie. Aside from the inherent dishonesty of boosting a false narrative, there is a practical reason for not whooping it up. That reason is this: the lie was invented and put about for the very purpose of causing the harm; i.e., it was built for that purpose and is best fit for that purpose. Fortifying a lie won’t make its victims whole, or prevent new victims.

    Now is not the time to resort to argumentum ab auctoritate, or to refer to the New York Times. Now is the time to make a sober study of the evidence for the existence of Covid-19 (again, as against a bad flu). And, perhaps, to do a bit of soul-searching, remembering that no crusade for anything true can ultimately succeed by lying.

  213. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Like I previously said, you haven’t closely read the underlying material, and you’re therefore confused.”

    No, what you previously had said, umpteen times, and now in two separate threads, is that I have not read any of your Covid-19 columns, and that I had failed to watch the hours’ worth of podcasts that you had linked to in your highly verbose and repetitive “Covid/Biowarfare Series” on this site. You at least were right about the few hours of your highly verbose and repetitive appearances, in seemingly the same shirt and jacket, on a few different podcasts; but, as I already have mentioned, I then wasted a few of the dwindling hours that I have left in this world, and watched those three highly verbose and repetitive appearances of yours, in full, just the other night.

    “No. According to the ABC News story, the secret DIA report was sent to the White House in ‘late November’ however the Israeli TV report revealed that it had been produced in ‘the second week of November,’ which is perfectly consistent.”

    [MORE]

    From the same RT article (4/17/20) that I had quoted from above:

    ***

    American intelligence passed an early warning about the coronavirus to Tel Aviv and NATO as far back as November, Israel’s Channel 12 claims, even after a top US medical intel officer dismissed a similar report just last week.

    The broadcaster aired a story on Thursday alleging that the US intelligence community shared classified information about a new viral outbreak in China with the Israeli military and senior NATO officials. With nobody willing to go on record to confirm the report, however, the story is based on murky anonymous sourcing, leaving it a mystery where the claim originated.

    “Still in November, the IDF held a first discussion regarding what impact this unknown disease would have were it to reach the Middle East. How would we be affected? How would it affect our neighbors?” the Channel 12 broadcast said, as cited by i24 News.

    A similar report from ABC last week stated that the Pentagon’s National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) warned that an outbreak in the Chinese city of Wuhan could become a “cataclysmic event” in a document compiled last November. But the story was swiftly shot down by NCMI director Colonel R. Shane Day, who insisted “No such NCMI product exists” and that the report was simply “not correct.”

    President Donald Trump – who was said to have been alerted to the alleged NCMI document but chose not to act on the intelligence – ran a victory lap over ABC after Day’s denial, gloating in a tweet that the news outlet “knew they were wrong when they went with this Hoax of a story!”

    Much like the ABC report, the Channel 12 story alleges the US government was provided the information, yet “did not deem it of interest,” also stating Israeli health officials were made aware, but still “nothing was done” to prepare for the impending pandemic.

    [The previous quote follows here, in the online version of the RT story.]

    The latest uncorroborated reports have further fueled the rage of the US president’s critics, who say the Trump administration knew of a coming disaster months in advance but did nothing to keep Americans safe, added to a barrage of criticisms in US media constantly slamming the government’s response to the crisis as sluggish and inept.

    But as speculation swirls in the press, the White House has begun offering its own novel theories on early knowledge of the virus, tacitly encouraging rumors of its lab origins and alleging Beijing “covered-up” the outbreak in Wuhan with help from the World Health Organization, going as far as to freeze US funding to the agency while the administration “reviews” the alleged Chinese conspiracy.

    Beijing and the WHO have rejected Washington’s claims as baseless, insisting they provided timely and transparent information about the virus as soon as it was available – both even creating timelines detailing their response step-by-step – while the United Nations and much of the world have warned all sides to not politicize the pandemic.

    ***

    https://www.rt.com/news/486072-us-intelligence-israel-coronavirus/

    Here is the online story from Israel’s I24 News that was cited in the RT story– and which includes no additional salient information on the alleged intelligence report or its alleged leakers from within the American-intelligence community:

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1587059866-report-us-warned-israel-about-covid-19-in-november

    (Oddly enough, I do not watch Israeli television, here in Florida– along with the hundreds of other networks, channels and video streams that are available to me that I do not watch. I also do not speak Hebrew, nor Yiddish, nor Ladino, so I get my news primarily from English-speaking sources on the Internet.)

    I used “the second week of November” in my arguendo scenario, supra, specifically because you yourself had claimed that that was when the alleged report had been released within the Federal bureaucracy. I have seen no other source placing the alleged November report in that week of November, specifically. If you saw that on one or more of the Israeli news channels that you subscribe to, in Palo Alto, feel welcome to provide a link to an online video in English, or with English subtitles, and I will be happy to waste a few more minutes of my dwindling time on this Earth viewing it.

    “The new research study by leading scientific experts widely promoted in the MSM indicates that the Wuhan outbreak began substantially later than had previously been believed:

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8337

    “Patient Zero became infected around November 18th, with a 95% confidence interval that the first infection occurred 23 October to 8 December. It takes a week or so before an infected individual displays any significant symptoms. So it’s unlikely that there was a single symptomatic case in Wuhan, a city of 11 million, at the time that the secret DIA report warned of a ‘cataclysmic’ disease outbreak taking place there.”

    You are merely cherry-picking a recent result that is agreeable to your own theory. The notion that “the science is settled!” on that issue is even more ridiculous than usual, when the claim is made to shut down ongoing scientific debate at a point that is favorable to one side or another (usually that supported by the plutocrats and their henchmen).

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  214. Polemos says:

    Maybe you’re one of the people who likes to follow links, so you also clicked on the link Ron provided to the timesofisrael page describing a news report from Channel 12 saying that “US Intelligence” reported their observations first to the “Trump administration” but, seeing no action taken, “also decided to update two allies,” NATO and the IDF. You probably also noticed that, even though the timesofisrael site links to the ABC report alleging an NCMI document asserts a similar thing, their site does not link you to any video of the Channel 12 report, nor to a page on their site about it.

    Now maybe you went looking for some more information, and you also found i24news.tv has a page on the Channel 12 report, and even gives you a longer quote (without attributing a source or context) about the IDF’s deliberations upon notice of the US Intelligence report, but curiously they too do not link you to any video of the report.

    Weren’t you curious too when you found you couldn’t find this alleged video? Maybe you found the video easily, though.

    And isn’t it interesting how there’s no further delimiting which agency it is that produced this intelligence? It’s either “US intelligence” or the “US government.” It’s as though we’re supposed to take it on face value that there really is a document out there —a significant piece of the evidence for the theory presented, given its prominence in these callbacks— when what we have is a vague reference to something that no longer exists in verifiable form, and probably never has existed.

    It’s a planted story, in the form of a story-about-a-story that you also saw with Russiagate. If it’s not, where’s the original Channel 12 report, and why don’t we link to that, see what their actual language is, see where they attribute sources, and dig further?

    [Check it]

    • Thanks: D. K.
  215. @Ocko

    The first step is the secession of States and organize a government of WeThePeople. You can’t trust anyone in government right now

    In Deuteronomy, the tribal god, Jehovah, exhorts the Children of Israel to “pull down and destroy” all “the cities which are far off.” The inhabitants of the rest of the world are given two options: enslavement (if they submit without a fight, e.g., Americans) or extermination if they resist (e.g., Germans or Russians). In the 7th Century, the Khazars (of present-day Ukraine) adopted this murderous creed by converting en masse to Judaism. The conversion occurred 300 years before the Kievan Rus converted to Christianity with a mass baptism in the river that runs through Kiev. A few years later, in 1065 A.D., the Rus destroyed the Khazar kingdom. A thousand years later, the fight continues with the American slaves supporting the bloody Khazar Jews against the Christians even as a genocide of Christians is ongoing under our noses. We did exactly the same thing in WWII.

    If we are to free ourselves via a government of WeThePeople, we will have to form it along explicitly racial/ethnic lines. We cannot be free with Khazars among us. Period.

  216. (((Boomer))) vomits propaganda, goyim lap it up, time after time. Film at 11

  217. R2b says:
    @anon

    I do think I agree, but just one question.
    Can there be overall excess death’s AFTER the vaccination?
    That there is NO overall excess death’s during ”Plandemic”, has been my argument all along.

  218. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Your allusion went straight over my aged head, I am afraid; but, I am originally a blue-collar boy from the ghettoes of Gary, Indiana, if that helps any to explain your– or, rather, her— confusion as to my déclassé behavior!?!

  219. Rooster16 says:
    @djm

    The average age of death “from” covid is older than than average life expectancy! This means from a statistical standpoint, many of the people who actually did die from covid, would have also succumbed to some other fate within this timeframe.

    The human body has a shelf life. It’s tragic, but at some point towards the end of one’s life, it doesn’t take much to put you in the grave; I don’t mean to sound cold but it’s true. The official Covid story from beginning to end is an expert course on narrative shaping, statistical engineering, and a political power-grab.

    • Agree: acementhead
  220. Anonymous[294] • Disclaimer says:

    Looks like CIA germ warfare is about to be taken to supranational venues under threat of renewed force. Russia makes a formal announcement suggesting countermeasures to US internationally wrongful acts:

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/the-biological-aspect-in-natos-proxy-war-against-russia-has-been-revealed/

    And the US tries its best to shut up a high-ranking illegal combatant.

    https://awfulavalanche.wordpress.com/2022/07/31/ukraine-war-day-158-elenovka-whodunnit/

    (Search for “The Whale.”) The US ran through half a dozen helicopters frantically trying to rescue The Whale. They failed, and The Whale was rendered hors de combat. So CIA did everything they could to blow The Whale to smithereens.

    To wit, the Whale(s) (51 & 52!?!) got the dirt on CIA banned biological weapons in Ukraine and elsewhere. Whew! That was a close one, Fudgie! Good thing you came clean, they snuck you out!

    Pompeo’s in some neck-deep shit. He needs a war to save his sweaty balls.

  221. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    “In fairness to Mr. Unz, the initial phase of the fake Corona Chan ‘pandemic’ did indeed seem to involve specifically targeting China and Iran with some sort of pathogen, which actually killed a bunch of high-ranking officials in Iran.”

    Counsel for the Defense: “Objection, Your Honor! Assumes a fact [targeting] not in evidence….”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funeral_of_Qasem_Soleimani

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  222. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    I think I’m just going to have to give up on you…

    You just cited some RT summary instead of going directly to the Times of Israel story that I’d linked, which stated:

    US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the coronavirus outbreak in China already in November, Israeli television reported Thursday.

    According to Channel 12 news, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of that month and drew up a classified document.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

    So American intelligence became aware of the potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in the “second week” of November.

    Meanwhile, for the last couple of years, the very large research team including Pekar has been producing the authoritative analyses of the Covid outbreak timeline. That’s why their latest journal article with 30 co-authors published in Science made the front-page of the New York Times even while it was still a preprint. It’s absolutely not “cherry picking” to cite their findings and they say that Patient Zero was infected in Wuhan around November 18th.

    So American intelligence warned our top government officials that “a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population” before a single individual in Wuhan had come down with any symptoms or probably even been infected. Wuhan has a population of 11 million. How many symptomatic infections would it take to “change the patterns of life” so visibly that American intelligence could detect it?

    If you’d actually read my articles and clicked on the links I provided, you’d already be aware of these facts.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  223. D. K. says:
    @anon

    “Now Unz is calling people names and threatening them.

    “Good argumentation.

    . . .

    “These absolute facts have been pointed out to him again and again and he answers with name-calling and threats.”

    [MORE]

    ***

    D. K. to R. U. [last Monday evening (E.D.T.), elsewhere on Unz.com]:

    ***

    I posted quotes from real people (among others quoted in the linked articles) who, unlike you, were in the city and the event, back in October 2019, Mr. Unz. Your (typical) attempt to discredit them with negative generalities– “Oh, that paper is a front for Western intelligence, so the quotes are probably all made up, or simply bald-faced lies by the quoted parties; and, besides, those quoted athletes don’t have IQs over 200, like I do!– does not impress me.

    ***

    R. U. to D. K.:

    ***

    As for your claims that I regularly go around bragging about my IQ on this website or elsewhere, perhaps you can find a single example of this. Try long and hard and take all the time you need.

    ***

    D. K. to R. U.:

    ***

    I did not say that you “regularly go around bragging about [your] IQ on this website or elsewhere;” I was merely pointing out your noted tendency to talk down to commenters who disagree with you, as if we were all literally cretins. As for your challenge, though, does your reposting of a magazine article, elsewhere on the Internet, count?

    . . .

    https://www.onenation.org/opinion/this-man-controls-california/

    ***

    R. U. to D. K.:

    ***

    I’m glad that’s clarified since that certainly seemed to be the implication of your remarks.

    . . .

    Given that my website is called The Unz Review, there’s naturally a section describing who I am, including links to various profiles of my background and activities from the Economist, the New York Times, Harvard Magazine, and other MSM publications, including the cover story in the New Republic you reference:

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    ***

    D. K. to R. U.:

    ***

    N.B.: The link that I included was not to a reposting of that article here on your eponymous Web site.

    ***

    R. U. to ‘Emslander’ [supra]:

    ***

    Flu Hoaxers such as yourself are already so totally brain-dead that dying of Covid would probably be a mercy.

    ***

    D. K. to R. U. [here and now]:

    (RE: “I was merely pointing out your noted tendency to talk down to commenters who disagree with you, as if we were all literally cretins.”)

    ***

    “Q.E.D.!”

    ***

  224. Cookie says:

    Has a definite zoonotic link been found for covid 19…and does evolutionary biology confirm that this is the logical path to the outbreak?

  225. I don’t know if anyone else has posted on this.

    Covid was almost certainly circulating in Wuhan at the time of the military games in October, 2019. Military athletes came down with a respiratory illness after attending. They reported the city was locked down while they were there. This explains our foreknowledge before the outbreak became widely reported.

    https://brownstone.org/articles/at-the-military-olympics-october-2019-wuhan-china-athletes-caught-covid/

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Ron Unz
  226. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I think I’m just going to have to give up on you…”

    Perhaps my priestly brother down in El Salvador is right, after all, and there really is a God!?!?!

    “You just cited some RT summary instead of going directly to the Times of Israel story that I’d linked….

    “. . .

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report/

    You had linked to it where? I certainly do not recall your linking to it in any comment to me, this past week, prior to the one that I now am responding to from you!?! If you had expected me to have clicked on every link that you had included in your highly verbose and repetitive “Covid/Biowarfare Series” of the past two-plus years, you were shit-out-of-luck from the start! If you had expected me to commit to memory every fact and date that you tossed out in your 100,000 (or whatever) words on the subject, over the past two-plus years, you were likewise shit-out-of-luck. I am not a savant with a photographic memory. (Then again, I am not autistic, so I am quite sanguine that I came out on top in the deal….)

    “So American intelligence became aware of the potentially ‘cataclysmic’ disease outbreak in the ‘second week’ of November.”

    You are assuming that the “leak” to the Israelis was (a) bona fide, and (b) accurate. I already have laid out, supra, my response, arguendo, to that very same alleged fact pattern– a fact pattern that was publicly refuted, within mere days, by the very organization from which it had allegedly originated!

    “Meanwhile, for the last couple of years, the very large research team including Pekar has been producing the authoritative analyses of the Covid outbreak timeline. That’s why their latest journal article with 30 co-authors published in Science made the front-page of the New York Times even while it was still a preprint. It’s absolutely not ‘cherry picking’ to cite their findings and they say that Patient Zero was infected in Wuhan around November 18th.”

    You refer to them now as “the authoritative analyses” because they now happen to suit your own concocted scenario of a biowarfare attack by the United States Government, or rogue elements thereof, against your beloved Chinese Communist Party [inter alia]. Your notion that “their latest journal article with 30 co-authors published in Science [which] made the front-page of the New York Times even while it was still a preprint” is, thereby, settled science and history is simply pseudo-scientific and ahistorical bullshit!

    ***

    According to Paul Thacker (writing for the British Medical Journal), some scientists and reporters said that “objective consideration of COVID-19’s origins went awry early in the pandemic, as researchers who were funded to study viruses with pandemic potential launched a campaign labelling the lab leak hypothesis as a ‘conspiracy theory.’”[1] In February 2020, a letter was published in The Lancet authored by 27 scientists and spearheaded by Peter Daszak which described some alternate origin ideas as conspiracy theories.[154] Filippa Lentzos said some scientists “closed ranks” as a result, fearing for their careers and grants.[1] The letter was criticized by Jamie Metzl for “scientific propaganda and thuggery”,[155] and by Katherine Eban as having had a “chilling effect” on scientific research and the scientific community by implying that scientists who “bring up the lab-leak theory … are doing the work of conspiracy theorists”.[156][107]

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lab_leak_theory#Chilling_effects

    See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_letter_(COVID-19)#Reception

    “So American intelligence warned our top government officials that ‘a contagion was sweeping through China’s Wuhan region, changing the patterns of life and business and posing a threat to the population’ before a single individual in Wuhan had come down with any symptoms or probably even been infected. Wuhan has a population of 11 million. How many symptomatic infections would it take to ‘change the patterns of life’ so visibly that American intelligence could detect it?”

    We already know for a fact that scores, if not hundreds, of visiting athletes in Wuhan came down sick in October 2019, with a disease that many of them, in hindsight, now believe to have been Covid-19! That this undisputed fact of mass sickness among American and allied servicemen and -women was known to the Defense Intelligence Agency, while the World Military Games were in progress, would not be surprising to anyone but, say, you. Again, whether they were sick with Covid-19– which seems likely to me, as it does to many of them– or just a common flu– which seems like a highly unlikely coincidence, to me, occurring just weeks ahead of your preferred November 18 outbreak– the D.I.A. certainly should have been aware of the situation; that would become even more of a certainty after the Games ended, on October 28, 2019, and the troops returned home or to their foreign postings– where I assume that they would have been individually debriefed as to their experiences in China!?!

    The visiting athletes also talked about the city’s being seemingly shut down, except for the operations of the World Military Games themselves. As I noted in the other comment thread, with citations to both articles and a minority report from the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee, the Chinese authorities themselves claimed to have done so– for the convenience and enjoyment of their military guests from abroad!

    ***

    The GOP committee members put together a map visualizing the competition venues in black, the Wuhan lab in red, and the hospitals with early cases in blue, with green figures representing the competition venues for athletes who believe they contracted COVID-19 in Wuhan.

    [Map]

    In order to prevent national embarrassment, the decision was made to allow the 2019 Military World Games to continue. No spectators were allowed to attend the games, but international athletes and some of the 236,000 volunteers still become infected, spreading the virus in the city,” the GOP report contended.

    ***

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gop-report-says-wuhan-military-games-spread-covid

    Here, once again, is a link to the full minority report itself:

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

    The D.I.A. obviously would have been aware of those circumstances, while the Games were ongoing, and American spy satellites and signal intelligence assets obviously would have been collecting just the types of information mentioned in those news articles on the alleged D.I.A. report from November.

    “If you’d actually read my articles and clicked on the links I provided, you’d already be aware of these facts.”

    As I have clearly stated, time and again, I actually read your articles– some of them more than once– and watched your attached videos. I am not going to go back and click on every link to an outside source that you utilized.

  227. D. K. says:
    @White Memer

    “I don’t know if anyone else has posted on this.”

    Yes, I had cited and linked to that same Brownstone article, among others, in an earlier thread on this same subject, last week. I also had cited and linked to the Republicans’ minority report on the origins of Covid-19, for the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee:

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

  228. Ron Unz says:
    @White Memer

    Covid was almost certainly circulating in Wuhan at the time of the military games in October, 2019. Military athletes came down with a respiratory illness after attending. They reported the city was locked down while they were there. This explains our foreknowledge before the outbreak became widely reported.

    No, that’s total nonsense which I’d already debunked on a previous thread:

    On the other issue, we know for an absolute fact that Covid wasn’t circulating among the thousands of military athletes at the Wuhan Games. The single most important fact about Covid is that it’s ultra, ultra contagious. Most of the huge outbreaks in the countries of Europe were traced to one or two infected individuals. If any of the athletes at the Games had been infected, they would have quickly spread it to hundreds of other athletes, and all their countries would have had huge outbreaks a month or two after they returned home.

    No such outbreaks occurred, so we can be sure that none of the athletes actually had Covid.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/sputnik-scoops-the-daily-mail/#comment-5472785

  229. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    You had linked to it where? I certainly do not recall your linking to it in any comment to me, this past week, prior to the one that I now am responding to from you!?!

    It was linked in the quoted passage of my original article, and I’ve probably published that passage at least 15-20 times in my other articles. You do know that a link looks like, don’t you?

    But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies…

    The Pekar study with 30 co-authors is absolutely authoritative, published in a top journal and featured in a front-page NYT article, plus lots of other MSM outlets. As far as I know, there’s no semi-reputable study that contradicts it. Let me know if you can find one.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  230. Hartmann says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Well said, especially the last two sentences.

  231. Athena says:

    What can the Imprisoned Canadian General Tell?
    https://journal-neo.org/2022/05/05/what-can-the-imprisoned-canadian-general-tell/

    ”Canadian ”General Cadieu was in charge of Azovstal’s underground bunkers, including biological laboratory No. 1, where 18 people worked with deadly viruses.’

    ”The secrets shrouding this industrial facility and the “skeletons in the closet” lurking in its underground shelters have already been revealed in an investigation by Palestinian journalist and writer Nabil Salem: “All this is happening against the background of reports about the existence of a special room under the mill, which houses the secret headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance with the number pit_40 for the production of biological weapons. In addition to a number of NATO officers, 240 foreign researchers of various nationalities – from the United States, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Sweden, Austria, Poland, Greece, as well as soldiers of the French Legion – are stationed there. It has emerged that this secret headquarters is run by Metabiota company of Hunter Biden, son of US President Joe Biden, and his partner, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenski.”

    Although perhaps, given General Trevor Cadieu’s direct involvement in US biological laboratories in Ukraine, he may be able to add something to the UK-based The Exposé’s investigation into the direct criminal involvement of the US and Ukraine in the emergence of the COVID-19 pandemic…

    Also:

    Lieutenant General Trevor Cadieu and Azovstal
    https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/05/09/lieutenant-general-trevor-cadieu-and-azovstal/

    ”The report made reference to Cadieu being in charge 18 lab-assistants working on deadly viruses at Biolab 1. Subsequent reports seem to be based on the initial 360° channel report and internet leaks. Svetlana Nikolaevna gave the most thorough account but was unable to reveal her source, only saying that it was from somebody on the front line and that no official statement had been made.

    She said that the laboratory Cadieu supervised was working on dangerous viruses such as Ebola and Nipah. The importance of the Canadian Lieutenant’s capture is significant, since Svetlana Nikolaevna states that four helicopters and two boats were sent to rescue him, all destroyed by the armed forces of the Russian Federation.

    Her source informed that Cadieu had been taken to Lefortovo (FSB investigation department) Moscow awaiting trial by military tribunal. She believes that the Azovstal plant could hold documents relating to the genocide, murder and tortures alleged to have taken place at the complex.”

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
  232. eudion2 says:

    If Covid-19 was a biowarfare attack, then in hindsight it is apparent that the US Powers That Be made at least three major errors:

    1. They overestimated Covid-19’s lethality. The primary victims of the virus were the very aged and the very unhealthy. While fifteen million is a lot of deaths, it’s only about ten percent of the over a hundred million people who died during the same period. In other words, without the medical establishment to inform us, the average person might never have known that there was a pandemic. The end result was more or less that Auntie Em, lingering in a nursing home, died a couple months earlier than she might have otherwise. This has not been The Stand, The Black Death, or even The Spanish [sic] Flu. Thus as a bioweapon designed to bring down a national economy, Covid-19 was a tepid flop.

    2. They underestimated Covid-19’s staying power. To use a bioweapon against an enemy, one must take care that it does not spread to one’s own population. Presumably the bioweapon developers believed that Covid-19 would mutate into harmless strains so rapidly that it would not have an impact on populations outside the target nations. As we now know, Covid-19 has spread everywhere and just doesn’t seem to want to go away.

    3. Their mRNA vaccine is a dud. The PTB likely did look ahead and anticipate the danger that Covid-19 might not burn out quickly and that there would then be outbreaks of the virus in the US and Europe. Thus they likely had a backup plan in that the mRNA vaccines were already developed and ready to roll out on Day One. There was no ‘warp speed’ development, they had spent years developing and testing the vaccine in secret. They delayed the public release of the vaccine for months, however, to maintain the pretense that the virus had caught them by surprise and they were rushing to develop a vaccine in response. The vaccine, like the virus, then turned out to not be as effective as advertised and the cure may ultimately turn out to be far worse than the sickness.

    Bottom line: Gang Aft Agley, big time.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  233. Anonymous[256] • Disclaimer says:

    I note the CIA bots here are adopting the standard tactic they used to obscure the state crimes of the ’63 coup and the WTC demolition. Fixate on minutiae: proliferate random stupid hypotheses about it; register some immaterial pilpul-type objection; or just demand supporting evidence after it’s been repeatedly provided.

    The next step will be organized media ridicule of the case for state crimes based on this bad-faith caviling. When CIA killed JFK they caricatured skeptics as ballistics obsessives. When CIA demolished the WTC they caricatured skeptics for their fixation on airplane particulars.

    The Unz Review has set out enough evidence to establish a rebuttable presumption that the US used banned biological weapons in a sneak attack on China and Iran. If a junior spy cadet like Whitemember thinks he can rebut that he should make a case or GTFO.

    • Agree: Iris
  234. Ron Unz says:
    @D. K.

    As of just a few days ago, you were still citing the notorious “Huang Yanling Hoax” which everyone else had long ago abandoned. If you had any intellectual shame, you would have departed this Covid topic and gone off to argue with someone about the RFK assassination or something.

    And now you’re quoting a ridiculous GOP staff report on a scientific matter, a report that claims there was a huge ongoing Covid epidemic in Wuhan during October 2019. Without strong public health measures, Covid cases double every 3-6 days, so a million Chinese would have been infected by the end of the year. Moreover, the authoritative Pekar study shows that Patient Zero was infected around November 18th, a month after the gigantic epidemic you believe was already occurring.

    Here’s a piece of advice. There have been several serious books published that strongly take your own side of the issue, arguing in support of the Wuhan lab-leak theory of Covid’s origins. Yet none of them even hint at the utterly ridiculous arguments you insist on making, and perhaps you should ask yourself why. Better yet, just read those books, and you’ll familiarize yourself with the semi-logical theories you could be defending rather than the totally ludicrous ones.

    Here’s my review of those books, which includes the Amazon links for purchase:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-confronting-covid-crimestop/

    • Replies: @D. K.
  235. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “It was linked in the quoted passage of my original article, and I’ve probably published that passage at least 15-20 times in my other articles. You do know that [sic] a link looks like, don’t you?”

    How many times do I have to explain to you, genius, that in reading your highly verbose and repetitive Covid-19 articles, over the course of well over two years now, I have not clicked on your links (unless I had some specific need or desire to do so)? That is how normal people proceed– which, I do realize, is wholly beyond your autistic grasp. Regardless, whether the (refuted) D.I.A. report had been released internally on November 30th, November 14th, November 8th, November 1st, or any other day in the month of November 2019, is utterly immaterial; my arguendo scenario, supra, assumed that it had been released in the second week of November, just as you had claimed. This is just like your earlier obsession with my simply mentioning Huang Yanling, in passing; you turn an immaterial comment into the sine qua non of the argument, when it was clearly no such thing.

    I am going to make a full confession, though: when I was reading your highly verbose and repetitive articles on Covid-19 and your imagined biowarfare attacks against China and Iran by the United States Government, or rogue elements thereof, whenever you would quote one of your earlier articles in your highly verbose and repetitive series, which I already had read, months before, I simply would skip to the new highly verbose passages below your self-quotation. As we used to say at Holy Rosary Church, back in the day: “Mea culpa! Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!

    “The Pekar study with 30 co-authors is absolutely authoritative, published in a top journal and featured in a front-page NYT article, plus lots of other MSM outlets. As far as I know, there’s no semi-reputable study that contradicts it. Let me know if you can find one.”

    I am sure that it is as absolutely authoritative as was Peter Daszak’s letter, with 27 co-signers, to “The Lancet”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_letter_(COVID-19)

    It might even be as absolutely authoritative as the open letter co-signed by “a group of 51 former senior intelligence officials, who had served in the Trump administration and the three previous,” stating that Hunter Biden’s discarded laptop’s hard drive “has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation” (which was released fifteen days before the 2020 presidential election).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#Intelligence_officials

    What is as clear as day, to anyone who is not Ron Unz, is that sometime between January 2, 2020, when President Trump had General Soleimani of Iran assassinated, and April 21, 2020, when you published your first “J’accuse…!” against the American government, or rogue elements therein, you decided upon your theory of a pair of biowarfare attacks, against China and Iran, and you have had no interest whatsoever in refuting your own suspicions, ever since.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  236. Lemonade1 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Mr. Smith,

    I grew up poor, doctors still are for childbirth and physical injury. I learned early to trust my body and I try to treat it well.

    But this was a serious flu. I laid on my son’s leather couch to help cool myself, the fever was so high, even with aspirin. My cat laid in top of me for three days, she could sense I was sick.

    I heard about the Springfield flu around Thanksgiving and realized it was similar to what I had.

    My daughter was equally ill in March. She was on a fishing boat in the Bering Sea as a NOAA contractor until February 2020.

    My son caught it from me on my second bout and he was in bad shape for 6-8 days.

    My kids like to goad me about not taking them to the doctor like their friends, but they are adults now and don’t take themselves, either 🙂

    Lemonade

  237. @D. K.

    Although tangential to the subject matter of this particular forum and its parent article, thanks for the imagery – a sobering reminder of the truly heroic stature of yet another genuinely good man arbitrarily executed (read murdered, and in a most savage and treacherous manner) by the irretrievably degenerate elite of the collapsing American Empire.

    Regardless of whatever hopes or expectations the American or any other people may have for him, Trump and all his subordinates should hang for that act of consumate barbarity. I expect that, on Judgement Day, Trump will be genuinely surprised, even outraged, by the revelation that a cosy place has been reserved for him somewhere deep in the pits of Hell, possibly even in the vicinity of his demon-possessed adversary Clinton (though how will distance be measured under those circumstances?).

    At some point, in this world or the next, the Fat Lady is going to sing and the Piper will be paid.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  238. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “As of just a few days ago, you were still citing the notorious “Huang Yanling Hoax” which everyone else had long ago abandoned. If you had any intellectual shame, you would have departed this Covid topic and gone off to argue with someone about the RFK assassination or something.”

    Again with Huang Yanling! I had just finished a comment that noted your autistic obsession with my mentioning the woman in passing– solely as a counterpoint to your credulous belief that, if anything had gone wrong at the lab, the Aussie woman who was working there temporarily would surely have been informed (because we all know how preternaturally open and trusting the Chinese are with strangers and foreigners, especially us Anglos!)– and “there you go again,” as another Ron once put it.

    I neither posited nor subscribed to any theory– conspiratorial or otherwise– about Huang Yanling; I merely stated that her testimony and opinions of the lab would be (at least) as worthwhile as those of the Aussie apologist. In fact, I have neither posited nor subscribed to any theory on the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, as you have falsely claimed; I have merely critiqued your evidence-free theory of two biowarfare attacks by the United States Government, or rogue elements thereof, against China and Iran, and found it and you pathetically wanting.

    Anytime you want to debate the RFK assassination in public, just send me a check to cover my travel expenses. I will be happy to embarrass you on C-SPAN, or whatever….

    “And now you’re quoting a ridiculous GOP staff report on a scientific matter, a report that claims there was a huge ongoing Covid epidemic in Wuhan during October 2019. Without strong public health measures, Covid cases double every 3-6 days, so a million Chinese would have been infected by the end of the year. Moreover, the authoritative Pekar study shows that Patient Zero was infected around November 18th, a month after the gigantic epidemic you believe was already occurring.”

    You are ridiculing me for citing an official Congressional report “on a scientific matter,” when, near the beginning of your interminable prose on the issue, you stated:

    “I have no personal expertise in biowarfare technology, nor access to the secret American intelligence reports that seem to have been taken seriously by our most elite national newspapers.

    . . .

    “Biological warfare is a highly technical subject, and those possessing such expertise are unlikely to candidly report their classified research activities in the pages of our major newspapers, perhaps even less so after Prof. Lieber was dragged off to prison in chains. My own knowledge is nil.

    You, rather than cite an official Congressional report “on a scientific matter,” cite an anonymous online character calling himself “Metallicman”–stating that you “have long recognized that flawed individuals can often serve as the vessels of important information otherwise unavailable, and this case constituted a perfect example.” So, you publish his 15,000-word essay on your eponymous Web site– yet you sneer at my simply citing a Congressional report, based upon government resources to which you have had no access, in my comments.

    Here is what you are claiming, genius, against overwhelming eyewitness testimony to the contrary: (a) military members of the athletic teams participating in the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan, that October, did not come down sick by the scores, if not hundreds, with a disease that many subsequently concluded had been Covid-19; (b) no such athletes had their temperatures taken at the airport, upon their arrival in Wuhan; (c) no such athletes spread their illnesses to family members and others, upon returning home; (d) there was no large-scale shut down of Wuhan during the Games, and the Chinese authorities did not claim to have done so for the benefit of the foreign military athletes who were their guests. You are so full of shit, you reek!

    “Here’s a piece of advice. There have been several serious books published that strongly take your own side of the issue, arguing in support of the Wuhan lab-leak theory of Covid’s origins. Yet none of them even hint at the utterly ridiculous arguments you insist on making, and perhaps you should ask yourself why. Better yet, just read those books, and you’ll familiarize yourself with the semi-logical theories you could be defending rather than the totally ludicrous ones.”

    Here’s a piece of pro bono legal advice, genius: take your collection of Covid-19 books, stick them up your well-worn asshole, and then blow them out of your bulbous nose. Enjoy!

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  239. @Mis(ter)Anthrope

    He is also a convicted sex offender.

    Am I the only one wondering how Scott Ritter being a sex offender more than a decade ago affects the quality of the information he posts on the site today? People have mentioned this repeatedly on Unz and a few folks even seem overfond of doing so.

    I understand sex offenders are not nice people. I get it.

    However, I would be grateful if a commenter could help me to see how someone not being a sex offender means you should take what he/she says much more seriously than someone who is. Otherwise, I think I am going to start taking the implication, “Scott Ritter is a sex offender and therefore nothing he says should ever be believed” as yet another ad hominem attack on an Unz.com author some commenters do not like, but whose information cannot be faulted.

    Of course, if there is another, different reason Scott Ritter does not deserve my attention, I am willing to hear what it might be. It is just that there seems to be an assumption at work that human nature is unalterable and that, having once behaved badly, there is never any reason to take someone who has behaved badly seriously ever again.

    I am not sure I agree with this.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  240. It’s literally the common cold.

  241. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Not to distract from the rest of your comment, but I do take issue with your opening assessment:

    “Although tangential to the subject matter of this particular forum and its parent article….”

    Someone has essentially claimed, as a basis for his idiosyncratic theory, that it is beyond peradventure that Iran was the victim of an American act of war, in the form of a biological attack upon its people and its leadership with the virus causing Covid-19, following in the wake of the assassination of its most prominent general, in January 2020. (He even went so far as to claim that Iran is on the other side of the world from China, when they are separated merely by the width of Afghanistan. A non-stop flight from Wuhan to Tehran is well under eight hours, which is not even two hours longer than one from, say, Seattle to Miami, Fla.)

    The expansive funeral ceremonies for General Soleimani, as described in the Wikipedia.org page that I had linked to, before linking separately to three pictures from those ceremonies, drew crowds not seen there since the Ayatollah Khomeini died, in 1989 (almost simultaneously with the Tiananmen Square event that our host now assures us was not a massacre). My actual point, although perhaps too subtle, in posting those three pictures in my comment was that there was a series of potential super-spreader events in Iran (and Iraq), including in both the capital city, Tehran, and at the religious site, Qom. If the virus causing Covid-19 were already present in Iran, most likely in Tehran, when the general was assassinated, those massive crowds, led by Iran’s ruling class, would have provided an opportunity, in the days that followed, for the virus to explode throughout the population, and especially through the (mostly elderly) ruling class.

  242. @D. K.

    I’m glad to see you jave picked up on the key evidence that “former senior intelligence officials” were willing to gang up on Trump which makes the planting of a story on ABC Radio and with Israeli TV look like a highly probable frolic of a few anti Trump inteigence officers.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  243. @Drive-by poster

    Scott Ritter clearly had a desperate need to find paid work after earlier mishaps but he discredited himself by the errors and evident biases for the Russian propaganda cause soon after 24th February. On top of that there has to be a rational suspicion that potential controllers by blackmail have more up their sleeves about such a careless fellow.

  244. @D. K.

    Well, there was NO ‘massacre’ IN Tian An Men Square. That is FACT. There was a lot of killing around the Square as the usual final violent putsch that is the culmination of ‘Colour Revolutions’ (as in Belgrade, Tbilisi, Kiev etc)was crushed, with hundreds of foolish dupes killed in the suppression.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  245. @eudion2

    CoViD19 may prove more dangerous in the long-term, after repeated infections and as the virus evolves into possibly more virulent forms. And, in league with the mRNA kill shots, and highly dangerous ‘medications’ like molnupiravir, the worst may be yet to come. After all the US spent a lot of time and effort creating this weapon.

  246. D. K. says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It would not surprise me in the least– especially since, for example, the ABC News article clearly was written so as to be anti-Trump, with his re-election opportunity then just over the horizon– but I am quite content to remain agnostic on the issue, as I am about the virus’ origin and, frankly, and to the chagrin of many of my closest relatives, about life in general. More to the point, however, I cannot see how it matters, in terms of theories about the origin of the virus. Unlike some people who deny reality to fit their own worldviews, I know from eyewitness testimony, which is otherwise inexplicable, that there was a serious disease outbreak among visiting athletes in Wuhan, in October 2019, and that the Chinese authorities essentially shut down the city, except for the Games themselves. Did they do that for either of their two recent Olympics in China? Why would they be taking athletes’ temperatures, upon their arrival at the airport, in mid-October, if not because a serious disease outbreak already was present in the city? Why would all of those many athletes, from several different countries, be lying about their becoming ill, or about the city’s being largely shut down, during the Games?

  247. @mulga mumblebrain

    Excessive force even in self defence can constitute a crime.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  248. @D. K.

    The assertion that ‘no spectators’ were allowed to attend the Games is a crude lie, so typical of Rightwing, racist, Sinophobes. Such garbage requires peddling by Rightwing, racist, Sinophobes, and this troll is down to that task.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @D. K.
  249. dux.ie says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    > The second doubt was Chinese have been eating from that Wuhan caves for centuries if not millennia; yet this disease appears only now, and did not appear in foothill villages; it appears in a city 800 km away, infecting nobody in between.

    A just published in Nature Journal an academic database “SARS-ANI: a global open access dataset of reported SARS-CoV-2 events in animals” https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-022-01543-8 , as of 2022-08-05 out of the 30 families and 2058 cases of animals out of the aggregated ACADEMIC REPORTS, THERE IS NOT A SINGLE CASE FIT TO BE INCLUDED IN THE DATABASE OF THE ANIMALS HIGHLIGHTED IN WOROBEY’S PAPER OF RED FOX, HOG BADGER, RACCOON DOG OR PANGOLIN ALLEGED TO BE ABLE TO SPREAD SARS-COV2, unlike the European Mink which had been proven to be able to transmit SARSCOV2 to and from human. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-022-01543-8/tables/3 The SARS-ANI-DB does give reasons for those excluded, e.g.

    [MORE]

    #Pangolin
    Eid = 20200220.7009213
    src = ProMED
    PDate = 2020-02-20
    Reason = (hands waving froths at mouths) discussion report without any cases
    Topic = investigations about origin od SARS-CoV-2: focusing on pangolins and bats

    Eid = 20200623.7502805
    src = ProMED
    PDate = 2020-06-23
    Reason = (hands waving froths at mouths) study without any cases
    Topic = negative results in pangolin research

    #Reccoon Dog
    nothing

    #Fox
    nothing

    #Badger
    nothing

    It is like the hoaxer “China An*l” depositing the diarrhea about pangolin in the echo chambers for other hoaxers to regurgitate. No doubt the butt-hurt hoaxers will now try to stuff the SARS-ANI database with disinformation. The China Huanan market witch hunt perpetrated by the WIV/Huanan ORIGIN HOAXERS is a giant international joke played on the ignorant global sheeple suckers.

    Later if I have time I will show that the best place to search for the last COVID animal host(s) is to find the place where there are RESURGENCE(S) of the DIRECT IMMEDIATE DESCENDANTS OF THE ANCESTRAL CROSS-OVER SARSCOV2 VARIANT 19B (EXCLUDING 19A WHICH HAS ACTIVE DESCENDANTS) WHEN VIRTUALLY ALL THE VARIANT 19B HAD BECAME EXTINCT BEING OUT COMPETED BY NEWER MORE INFECTIOUS VARIANTS LIKE 19A AND ITS DIRECT DESCENDANTS 20A, 20B, 20C, ALPHA, DELTA AND OMICRON, ESPECIALLY FROM PLACE LIKE CHINA WHICH HAS ZERO COVID FOR A LONG TIME UNTIL THE RECENTLY IMPORTED OMICRON VARIANT. The pre cross-over SARS2 variant with some slight affinity to human most probably will not develope those mutations specifically for adapting to human as they still reside in the animal host(s). AND FROM THE EMPIRICAL DATA THE PLACE MOST PROBABLY SEEDING THE RESURGENCE OF THE DESCENDANTS OF VARIANT 19B … USA. Thus potentially the place of the continual existance of the cross-over animal host(s), lab-engineered or lab-leaks.

    It is just like someone cannot locate his car in the dark and he activates the car key gadget to activate the car alert system and his car answers a few meters from him in the dark. He however proceeds several hundred meters the other way where there is a street light trying to find his car there. What a bunch of jokers.

    Grab this web page before it disappears.

    https://nextstrain.org/groups/blab/narratives/ncov/19B/2020-02-16?n=2
    Here we show all available sequences in clade 19B sampled from November 2020 through early February 2021. These sequences were collected from across the globe in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, and Asia. This suggests that transmission of this clade is ongoing in multiple locations.
    Note: Our analysis is biased by the available data. For example, almost a third of all recent 19B sequences come from the UK, which is sequencing far more SARS-CoV-2 than any other country.

    There are less than 5% sequencing of ALL REPORTED COVID CASES in USA. Is there something in US to hide?? On this later date there is virtually no variant 19B or its direct descendants excluding 19A from Asia.

  250. @mulga mumblebrain

    Who are you maligning? Isn’t “no spectators” a quote from a report at most an assumption rather than an assertion? BTW what were the restrictions on spectators? Contrast and compare with other games in China?

  251. D. K. says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “[T]his troll” was the Republican minority on the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee:

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

  252. Alfred says:

    Congratulations Ron. Now, how about the same dedication being directed towards the “vaccines”?

    It is clear that the objective of these trivial infections and the fabulous fear porn was to inject people with these poisonous products.

    I note here that in one of the most injected countries in the world, Israel, almost no parents are allowing their kids to be injected.

    Here is a typical propaganda piece from Haaretz. But it is no longer working. 😊

    𝗪𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝟭.𝟱 𝗠𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗨𝗻𝘃𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗖𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗱𝗿𝗲𝗻, 𝗜𝘀𝗿𝗮𝗲𝗹 𝗣𝗿𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗲𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗦𝘂𝗿𝗴𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗖𝗢𝗩𝗜𝗗 𝗛𝗼𝘀𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘇𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀

    Everywhere, there is a deafening silence about the fact that there are almost no deaths from Covid in the Middle East and Africa. Your numbers include those with vaccine injuries and those who die from old age.

    Here, in Turkey, a friend of mine with a chronic condition went to see a new doctor. The Turkish doctor asked him if he had been vaccinated. He said no. The doctor said that if he had been injected and in view of his health problem, he would have died. Furthermore, he said “no doctors in Turkey have taken the vaccine”. Clearly, they are pretending to be injecting each other. It is a legal requirement for health workers here.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @MPJ
  253. @mulga mumblebrain

    If you can bring yourself to focus on what I actually said you may care to confirm that the labs in question were originally Soviet facilities.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  254. @Wizard of Oz

    Excessive force even in self defence can constitute a crime.

    Maybe in your world, but your world is not the whole world. And who is to say that the values of your world are superior to those of the rest of the world? Keep them to yourself and don’t promote or force them onto others as they don’t force or promote their values onto you.

    But then you are a hypocrite as you support Ukrainians who tie people to lampposts, beat them, torture them and murder them for no valid reason and definitely not in any self defence. You are a supporter of lynch mobs, as long as they’re Ukrainian, or Chinese too I guess as long as they lynch some hapless soldier or cop who in your eyes would be a criminal if he shot back Your concept of civilisation is utter barbarism camouflaged in some self-righteous rhetoric.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  255. Yee says:

    Spectators on the background of the Wuhan military games. So many lies…

  256. Wokechoke says:
    @Ron Unz

    Given that Spanish Flu was traced to US military camps, one wonders how the concept that it was the first viral bomb hasn’t taken off. It’s tempting. There’s passages in HG Wells War of the Worlds and Evelyn Waugh’s Vile Bodies showing that biological warfare was beginning to be discussed and fictionalised in academic and policy circles at the time of ww1. So why not? Spanish Flu did end ww1 as much as anything else.

    Antibiotics were the western wonder weapon that defeated Germany in ww2, allowing allied soldiers to recover from slight injuries more completely.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  257. Realist says:
    @Anon

    Why no comment to my reply?

  258. Mevashir says:
    @Wokechoke

    This article discusses the initial outbreak at a military base in Western Kansas. Apparently the soldiers were found eating bats:

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/journal-plague-year-180965222/

  259. Mevashir says:
    @Anon

    A pipe dream. Although I am sympathetic to the idea, in this case the “dangerous criminals” constitute the entire USG and MIC along with the Supreme Court, national mass media, banks, etc. Nothing less than the complete annihilation of our country can accomplish Justice.

  260. @D. K.

    “[T]his troll” was the Republican minority on the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee…

    … and yet, see Yee’s post at Comment #258.

    Niceties aside, Mulga scores a plus on this one.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  261. A123 says: • Website
    @Yee

    Why would Anti-American traitors risk international transport of the virus to be released in a small basketball venue? Or, even smaller sand volleyball pit? Using, the Wuhan Military games is mechanically possibly. However, it is obviously sub optimal for the conspiracy based on hatred and fear of President Donald Trump’s impending 2nd Term.

    Would it not make much more sense for the SJW Globalist (probably pro-CCP) conspirators to select a better target for the #NeverTrumpVirus? For example, releasing it at huge facility, full of MAGA supporters. Bristol Motor Speedway seats 162,000. While this is among the smallest NASCAR venues, the night race is much more favourable for dispersing a potentially UV sensitive contagion.

    PEACE 😇

     

  262. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Perhaps the spectators were off-duty volunteers? Or, perhaps attending certain events actually became an assigned aspect of their volunteer assignments, after the Chinese authorities decided to lock down the city, yet go on with the Games?

    ***

    “More than 230,000 volunteers rally to offer comprehensive support.

    The Games has recruited 236,000 volunteers, including 210,000 city volunteers from all walks of life, such as national, provincial and municipal pioneers and models, college students and foreign students.

    The Games volunteers have received general training, professional training, pre-job training and other rounds of training. They will work for 13 categories of positions including concierge, language services, traffic guidance and audience services.

    The transportation and public transportation service guarantee for the Games is a heavy task, covering the venues of the Games, over 90 reception hotels, one civilian airport and three railway stations, according to the head of the Games’ transportation operation center.

    The center’s executive committee has organized training for more than 2,000 drivers and over 1,000 management personnel. In addition, public transport lines have been opened at all competition venues.

    ***

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2019-military-world-games-kicks-off-in-central-chinas-wuhan-300940464.html

  263. Watch this perfectly timed drone drop:

    I’m giving that video 5 out of 5 bloody orc thumbs.

    Day 166 of the 2.5 week special military operation now in mop up phase.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  264. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    Don’t you find yourself ridiculous with all these “perhaps”?

    Wuhan wasn’t lockdown during the military games. Wouldn’t other people, including many foreigners living there have noticed it if it was? The US, UK, France, Korea, Russia all has consulate in Wuhan. You see anyone else saying Wuhan was lockdown during the games?

    • Replies: @D. K.
  265. @D. K.

    Perhaps the spectators were off-duty volunteers? Or, perhaps attending certain events actually became an assigned aspect of their volunteer assignments, after the Chinese authorities decided to lock down the city, yet go on with the Games?

    Now you’re just making shit up.

    In any case, spectators are spectators – your position reduces to the implication that China manufactured a crowd purely for propaganda purposes. I’m very much inclined to simply defer to Yee’s reply at Post #267.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  266. @John Johnson

    1. If I somehow found myself in those circumstances, I’d have one eye permanently on the circling skies above – 24/7.

    2. No way in Hell I’d ever place myself in those circumstances. Those poor bastards.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  267. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I remember this Vietnam documentary where the soldiers talked about how it was frustrating to be shot at from the trees.

    It was normal to scan the floor of the jungle but unnatural to look up when walking around.

    A barefooted Vietcong sitting in a tree with an AK and a few grenades could do some major damage to a squad. Didn’t matter if they killed him and in fact that was expected.

  268. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    If you were China and had a local disease outbreak in Wuhan, just ahead of a massive athletic competition scheduled for there, what would you do: cancel the games, a la Tokyo 2020, or carry on without massive crowds of visitors, a la Tokyo 2021 and Beijing 2022?

    ***

    Like the Summer Olympics held six months earlier in Tokyo, the COVID-19 pandemic resulted in the implementation of health and safety protocols, and, for the second Games in a row, the Games being closed to the public (with selected events open to invited guests at a reduced capacity).

    ***

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Winter_Olympics

    If you decided to carry on with the Games, without massive crowds of visitors, what would you do with the nearly quarter-million volunteers that you had trained for the event? Would you send home X% of them, as no longer necessary, or would you utilize them, and off-duty volunteers from the (1-X)%, to serve as spectators for the television spectacles emanating from the Games?

    “In any case, spectators are spectators – your position reduces to the implication that China manufactured a crowd purely for propaganda purposes.”

    Yes, that is precisely what I am implying! Do you really suppose that Chinese Communist Party is above such a deception to save face in front of the world? . . . really?!?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  269. @Yee

    Racist Sinophobe trolls like D.K are driven by race and civilizational hatred and rage, so NOTHING is beyond their capacity for lying.

    • Replies: @dux.ie
  270. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Originally’ ie more than THIRTY years ago???!! Have you just woken from your stupour, Wizz Van Winkle? How’s that ‘counter-offensive’ in Kherson going? You Nazi friends marching on Moscow yet?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  271. @D. K.

    Sorry-‘..THESE trolls’. Fixed it.

  272. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, a good number of those biolabs were Soviet era biolabs. Due to what went on in the 90s with the collapse of the USSR and the resultant bankruptcy, there some agreements that USA would fund decommissioning of those labs and redeployment of the skilled scientists. The fear being that such skilled scientists could be hired by terrorists or undesired States to develop bioweapons.
    In reality, what happened is that Uncle Sam didn’t decommission anything. Progressively the biolabs were integrated into USA/Pentagon worldwide network of labs. That’s the short version of it.

    Again, the Russia’s MoD Telegram channel has lots of information of what they (allegedly) have found and analysis of it. They have named names including Hunter Biden and Metabiota company, plus other senior US officials, scientists, companies and their roles as per documents, testimony collected. They have traced financing to Pentagon, USAID and Corporations. Plus other countries involved such as Germany, Poland, Australia, Japan etc. It is a treasure trove for those interested or inclined to research further.

    I suppose it’s twice or thrice that Russia has convened UN Meeting to update on this issue of Ukraine biolabs. Specifically, Russians have accused USA of contravening Biological Weapon Convention.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  273. D. K. says:
    @Yee

    “Don’t you find yourself ridiculous with all these ‘perhaps’?”

    No, I think that I am a highly intelligent, highly well-educated, highly rational old man who is trying to rationally interpret the full set of facts, as they have been set before him; e.g.:

    ***

    The 2019 Military World Games and Sick Athletes

    The 7th International Military Sports Council Military World Games (MWGs) opened in Wuhan on October 18, 2019. The games are similar to the Olympic games but consist of military athletes with some added military disciplines. The MWGs in Wuhan drew 9,308 athletes, representing 109 countries, to compete in 329 events across 27 sports. Twenty-five countries sent delegations of more than 100 athletes, including Russia, Brazil, France, Germany, and Poland. [65]

    The PRC government recruited 236,000 volunteers for the games, which required 90 hotels, three railroad stations, and more than 2,000 drivers. [66] An archived version of the competition’s website from October 20, 2019, lists the more than thirty venues that hosted events for the MWGs across Wuhan and the broader Hubei province. [67] The live website is no longer accessible – it is unclear why it was removed.

    During the games, many of the international athletes became sick with what now appear to be symptoms of COVID-19. In one interview, an athlete from Luxembourg described Wuhan as a “ghost town,” [68] and recalls having his temperature taken upon arriving at the city’s airport. In an interview with The Financial Post, a Canadian newspaper, one member of the Canadian Armed Forces who participated in the games said (emphasis added):

    This was a city of 15 million people that was in lockdown. It was strange, but we were told this was to make it easy for the Games’ participants to get around. [I got] very sick 12 days after we arrived, with fever, chills, vomiting, insomnia…. On our flight to come home, 60 Canadian athletes on the flight were put in isolation [at the back of the plane] for the 12-hour flight. We were sick with symptoms ranging from coughs to diarrhea and in between. [69]

    The service member also revealed his family members became ill as his symptoms increased [70], a
    development that is consistent with both human-to- human transmission of a viral infection and COVID-19. Similar claims about COVID-19 like symptoms have been made by athletes from Germany, France, Italy [71], and Sweden. [72]

    By cross referencing the listed MWG venues with publicly available mapping data, it is possible to visualize the venues (in black) in relation to the WIV Headquarters (in red) and the above- mentioned hospitals (in blue). The green figures represent athletes who have publicly expressed their belief they contracted COVID-19 while in Wuhan and are mapped at the venues which hosted the events in which they competed. Some of these athletes resided in the military athletes’ village.

    [Map 2: WIV Headquarters, Hospitals, MWG Venues, and Sick Athletes]

    At least four countries who sent delegations to the MWGs have now confirmed the presence of SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 cases within their borders in November and December 2019, before the news of an outbreak first became public.

    1. Italy. In February 2021, researchers from Italy published a research letter in the CDC’s Emerging Infectious Diseases journal describing a case involving a 4-year-old boy from Milan. A retrospective analysis of samples taken in 2019 identified the boy, who developed a cough on November 21, 2019, as having been infected with SARS-CoV-2 three months before Italy’s first reported case. The boy had no reported travel history. [73]

    2. Brazil. A March 2021 article by researchers in Brazil examined wastewater samples from October to December 2019. Previous studies have confirmed that humans infected with the virus can experience prolonged viral shedding via their gastrointestinal tract. A sample from November 27th tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA, confirming the virus was circulating in Santa Catarina, Brazil months before January 21, 2020, when the first case in the Americas was reported. [74]

    3. Sweden. Sweden’s Public Health Agency said it is likely that individuals in the country were infected with SARS-CoV-2 as early as November 2019. [75]

    4. France. Researchers from France also re-tested samples from late 2019 in an effort to identify early COVID-19 cases. They identified a 42-year-old male who presented to the emergency room on December 27th with an influenza-like illness. He had no connection to the PRC and no recent travel history. Upon re-testing, the patient’s samples were positive for SARS-CoV-2. It should be noted that one of his children also had similar symptoms before the man became sick, suggesting that the first case in France was likely earlier than December 27th. [76]

    As stated above, athletes from France, Italy, and Sweden also complained of illnesses with symptoms similar to COVID-19 while at the MWGs in Wuhan. The presence of SARS-CoV-2 in four countries, on two separate continents, suggests a common source. If, as presumed, SARS-CoV-2 first infected humans in Wuhan before spreading to the rest of the world, the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan appears to be a key vector in the global spread – it other words, potentially one of the first “super spreader” events.

    ***

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

    N.B.: Feel welcome to see the map and read the associated footnotes (65-76) within the report itself.

    I can either believe the testimony of several athletes, from several different countries, who took part in the Military World Games in Wuhan, in October 2019, or I can assume that they all are lying, because a couple of randos from God-knows-where, who were also God-knows-where in October 2019, have posted some comments on Unz.com denying that what those several athletes have testified to is true and correct. Decisions . . . decisions . . . .

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Yee
  274. Iris says:
    @D. K.

    No, I think that I am a highly intelligent, highly well-educated, highly rational old man who is trying to rationally interpret the full set of facts, as they have been set before him;

    I very loosely observed your choreographed commenting duo with the Wizzard of Oz, and thought that as he was even more confused than usual, he might have gotten some fresh help from a volunteers legal group recommended by his Rabbi. Your comments display exactly the same worn out debating techniques: recurrent diversion and focus on tertiary-importance minutiae.

    But then, I looked at your commenting history and found out that you have over 2,800 comments to your appreciable account. Even more interesting, you have not commented on anything since December 2021, but suddenly felt the urge to produce 35 comments on this RU Covid origins articles.

    Let me tell you how real people think: their everyday life is not a court of justice and they don’t care about your specious, rickety, clinging-at-straws trivialities, when their entire lives has been wrecked by the pandemic.

    The incredible coincidence of SARS-CoV-2 appearing just next to a BSL4, when there exist only 59 such labs in the entire world, only 13 in Asia and only 2 in China, is already proof in itself that Covid did not come about naturally.

    The political and scientific proofs brought respectively and independently by R. Unz and J. Sachs all converge towards the same: a virus engineered by US technology.

    Your frenzied activity and 35 comments so far are yet another type of confirmation that this article has hit a very big nerve.
    One can only hope that those criminal basketcases you represent are a very tiny fraction within the US authorities, and that this great country will pull itself together and escape the criminal madness you condone and advocate.

    • Agree: Harold Smith
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @D. K.
  275. @Commentator Mike

    Bad start. I was referring not to values but well established legal principles in probably ly every country.

  276. @mulga mumblebrain

    The obvious relevance you appear to miss is that various innocent explanations for the US having bioscience facilities in Ukraine might be supported. Even saving public money or making a budget appropriation go further. Don’t pretend to be dumb.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  277. Anon[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @D. K.

    Thanks. I foolishly thought that drivers would mostly be busy driving or sleeping and those managers managing events and staff and sleeping too so I hadn’t even considered your suggestion at all.

  278. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    How come athlete from Canada noticed Wuhan was lockdown, but all foreign consulates in the city didn’t notify their nationals? No warning of not to travel to a lockdown city? Wuhan has an international airport, no report of flights being stopped? No other tourists other than athlete reported a ghost town?

    “highly intelligent, highly well-educated, highly rational old man”??? LOL, only the “old man” bit is believable…

    • Replies: @D. K.
  279. MPJ says:
    @Alfred

    As Ron keeps tooting his horn on the origin question, he continues to avoid the ‘vaccine’ question which is CENTRAL to covid, the pandemic and the avoidance of which dilutes and cheapens his whole origins work.

    1) Moderna was known to have patented the genetic code of the virus long before the pandemic:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10542309/Fresh-lab-leak-fears-study-finds-genetic-code-Covids-spike-protein-linked-Moderna-patent.html

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fviro.2022.834808/full

    There’s ample evidence by now that gain-of-function by NIH was long in the works and with Fauci’s ties to Moderna, Big Pharma and mutual stakeholder extraordinaire Bill Gates. It is unthinkable that this wasn’t all planned to bring a novel technology (mRNA) to market. A technology that failed all safety tests before the pandemic and since, yet was approved despite strong dissent at the FDA.

    To think that a ‘vaccine’ and that too using novel mRNA tech can be brought to market in the blink of an eye and to become such a spectacular commercial success and all due to sheer luck beggars belief. Yet Ron is not interested…but thankfully we have Whitney Webb.

    2) The ‘vaccine’ continues to kill and maim and Ron continues to be in denial.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/fourteen-young-canadian-docs-die

    https://openvaers.com/

    All for a virus with a 0.25% mortality rate. The swine flu vaccine was pulled for 25 deaths, Baycol for 51 deaths. Yet here we are at 30k on VAERS (with an under-reporting factor of 10x) with the clot-shot and Ron has no interest in trying to explain the absolutely maniacal focus and insistence of the establishment in pushing these shots on the masses.

    3) 10% Americans regret taking the shot. 15% have a new medical condition after it.

    https://yournews.com/2022/08/06/2390821/10-americans-regret-taking-covid-vaccine-15-have-a-new/

    Granted, without medical expertise, I can’t expect myself, Ron or any other layman to dig into this in a way so as to produce findings worthy of being presentable in court. Still, his massive blind spot on the ‘vaccines’ continue to ensure that he’s not taken seriously by other reputable covid researchers like Chris Martenson, Alex Berenson, Brett Weinstein etc. despite a compelling origins narrative.

  280. D. K. says:
    @Iris

    Here is part of an exchange, on a previous thread, from last Friday morning:

    ***

    “You seem a very quarrelsome and opinionated individual and you’ve left 15 comments on this one article because you were so convinced that my Covid analysis was incorrect.”

    I have left however many comments on this thread as I have because I have replied to (most of the) people who have replied to me. Had you and the others not replied to me– most of you negatively, and some of you hostilely– I would have left only the first comment, which, as I noted above, I believe was the first comment that I had left, this calendar year, on this entire Web site, despite my reading it on virtually a daily basis. Your calling me, or any other commenter, “very quarrelsome and opinionated” is in the heart of pot-meets-kettle territory, Mr. Unz. You also seem to have no problem, at all, with your own “dittoheads” being not only “very quarrelsome and opinionated” but outright defamatory, so long as they remain your own faithful disciples.

    ***

    As for mentally ill women who comment endlessly that no jetliners ever hit the World Trade Center . . .

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Iris
  281. D. K. says:
    @Yee

    “How come athlete from Canada noticed Wuhan was lockdown, but all foreign consulates in the city didn’t notify their nationals? No warning of not to travel to a lockdown city? Wuhan has an international airport, no report of flights being stopped? No other tourists other than athlete reported a ghost town?”

    You are assuming facts not in evidence.

    “’highly intelligent, highly well-educated, highly rational old man’??? LOL, only the ‘old man’ bit is believable…”

    Anytime you want to compare the most common metrics of intelligence and academic achievement, Chinaman, feel welcome to let me know….

    • Troll: Harold Smith
    • Replies: @Yee
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  282. dux.ie says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Why bother to argue with some people that are just too dumb to ask relevant questions. It is now known that COVID will reduce physical fitness and mental ability. If there was a disease outbreak in China, why the Chinese performance in the Military World Games MWG was so good? So are the performances of Russia, France, Iran, Germany, Italy, etc. Why the performance of US was so very very piss poor, not a single freaking gold medal?? These are verifiable facts. In 2016 Olympic US got 46 gold and in Wuhan not a bleeding single gold. Were out of the 172 US competitors most of them were COVID asymptomatic or recovered with long COVID, and brought the COVID to Wuhan ?? Why after the MWG there were suddenly serious COVID cases in Italy and Iran, etc and on average the national per capita COVID infection rates were statisitcally correlated to the national per capita number of competitors in the MWG??

    The Forbes magazine had reported that lawyers were third last in honesty ranking, below that for TV reporters.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/04/americas-most-and-least-trusted-professions-infographic/

  283. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    So a Canadian athlete said to a newspaper is evidence, but international flights coming and going to the city is not?

    Whatever they educated you in school, was not intelligent…

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  284. Ron Unz says:
    @Yee

    So a Canadian athlete said to a newspaper is evidence, but international flights coming and going to the city is not?

    Whatever they educated you in school, was not intelligent…

    I’m glad to see that you’re continuing to rebut all the ridiculous nonsense that our friend “D. K.” keeps spewing out due to this total ignorance of the issue.

    He’s apparently never even read any of the main books that (incorrectly) advocate the Wuhan Lab-Leak theory, so he’s making all sorts of absurd arguments that nobody who’s been involved in the debate would ever support.

    He’s so totally confused that he’s even citing those mistaken studies indicating that the Covid virus was present in numerous European and other countries during 2019. What he apparently doesn’t realize is that those Covid detection tests often have 95+% false-positives, so the findings are almost certainly wrong. I analyzed and debunked those studies in one of my articles last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#false-narratives-based-upon-false-positives

    But he’s so totally ignorant of the issue, he’s unaware that the Milan study he’s citing allegedly found Covid in Italy during September 2019 before the Wuhan Games. So he disproved his own theory that Covid was brought to Italy by the athletes in the games.

    I assume that a couple of years ago, he became convinced that Covid came from a Wuhan Lab-Leak and he hasn’t paid any attention to the issue since then. So he’s completely ignorant of the details and is just quoting the Tweets he remembers from early 2020 or the talking-points of the anti-China Republicans in Congress.

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Kali
  285. dux.ie says:

    When someone trying to confuse people about COVID trends with Flu trends, if they show the TOTAL flu volume he got something to hide as the TOTAL Flu volume can mask the initial outbreak of any NOVEL virus. Both the WHO and US CDC have data on separate Influenzan Like Illness ILI strains and they are able to test more than 20 different ILI strains even when only the few significant strains are reported. To detect the emergence of NOVEL strains, pay special attention to the NotTyped group which all the standard tests have failed to identified. Just as a warming up, the events that led to the discovery of the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu shows the procedures involved. It is very suspicious that the COVID trends are detached from such reasoning.

    There were traces of NotTyped ILI strain(s) detected for quite some time. It could be that the volume were too small for US Disease Control Center CDC to really investigate. Then in 2008 the NotType strain was at a volume that could not be ignored, ane the CDC efforts were just in time to identified the explosion of the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu. The initial tests might not be perfect that not all NotType strains were identified but by 2011 and 2012 it was clear that ALL the previous NotTyped Strain was H1Ni. AND THE NOTTYPED GROUP JUST DISAPPEARED, REPLACED BY THE NEW H1N1 GROUP.

    Now if the H1N1 strain can now be detected, the NEW 2013 NotTyped strain(s) must be something else, mixing together with the now annual reccurrences of the now mutated less virulent H1N1 Swine Flu. There were explosive growth of the NotTyped strain from 2015 onwards and it was even more virulent than the H1N1 Swine Flu. US CDC seemed to be incapable to identify it/them, OR WAS IT CDC HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE AND WAS NOT WILLING TO PUBLICLY IDENTIFY THEM ?? WAS THE FUBAR ON THE INITIAL SARSCOV2 TEST AN ATTEMPT TO DELAYED THE IDENTIFICATION IT?? OR WAS US CDC WAS SO INCOMPETENT TO LET THE NOTTYPED STRAIN(S) RAVAGING US SINCE 2015 KILLING MANY AMERICANS ATTRIBUTD TO “FLU” IN THE PROCESS?? WHY WAS THE BLOOD TESTS NEVER WENT BEFORE JAN 2020 ?? WHY WAS THE NEGATIVE BLOOD TEST RESULTS BEING JUSTIFIED TO PROVE SARSCOV2 DID NOT OCCUR IN US PRIOR TO 2020 WHEN THOSE WITH SCIENTIFIC KNOWHOW UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS LAUGHABLE TRYING TO PROVE A NEGATIVE EXCEPT PROVING THE INCOMPETENCY OF THOSE CONCERNED??

    Then similar to the discovery of the 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu, when SARSCOV2 was identified by the Chinese and the US NotType Strain SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED, REPLACE BY THE SARSCOV2 GROUP. Can you believe those weasles that claimed the the US NotType Strain is not SARSCOV2?? Note the volume of the SARSCOV2 is so large that they have to be shown in scale 100x LARGER in order not to dwarf the other data.

    The SARSCOV2 or its precursor could be in US since 2013.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  286. D. K. says:
    @Ron Unz

    “He’s so totally confused that he’s even citing those mistaken studies indicating that the Covid virus was present in numerous European and other countries during 2019. What he apparently doesn’t realize is that those Covid detection tests often have 95+% false-positives, so the findings are almost certainly wrong. I analyzed and debunked those studies in one of my articles last year:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#false-narratives-based-upon-false-positives

    Here was the pseudo-scientific analysis of those data:

    ***

    Due to serious concerns over false-positives, the researchers had decided to apply two consequence Covid antibody tests to the 24,000 blood samples that they analyzed, and the first test flagged 147 positive results, a total which was then reduced to just 9 by the second test. This implies that roughly 95% of the initial Covid antibody matches were actually false-positives, and it is quite possible that a third antibody test might have further reduced the total of true infections detected. Once we realize that at least 95% of the matches in a single-antibody test are likely to be false-positives, the very few anomalous early Covid results in those other papers no longer seem at all mysterious.

    ***

    Anyone who ever has taken an introductory course in Experimental Design, Applied Statistics, or the like– let alone earned Science degrees from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford– should immediately see the fatal flaw in the above analysis. So, the question becomes, does the self-styled super-genius not see that fatal flaw, or is he just that shamelessly dishonest intellectually?

    “But he’s so totally ignorant of the issue, he’s unaware that the Milan study he’s citing allegedly found Covid in Italy during September 2019 before the Wuhan Games. So he disproved his own theory that Covid was brought to Italy by the athletes in the games.”

    More than one infected person can bring the same disease to a distant location, and at different times. Whether the September 2019 finding from Milan was valid or invalid tells us absolutely nothing about whether anyone on the Italian team from the 2019 Military World Games returned to Italy, in late October 2019, with Covid-19, or any other such casually transmitted disease. (As I have pointed out, numerous times, it makes no difference– including vis-a-vis the refuted D.I.A. report that is one of the two supporting crutches for your evidence-free theory of a pair of biowarfare attacks by the United States Government, or rogue elements thereof, against both China and Iran– whether the illness that struck the military athletes at the Games in Wuhan was Covid-19, avant la lettre, or something else.)

    “I assume that a couple of years ago, he became convinced that Covid came from a Wuhan Lab-Leak and he hasn’t paid any attention to the issue since then. So he’s completely ignorant of the details and is just quoting the Tweets he remembers from early 2020 or the talking-points of the anti-China Republicans in Congress.”

    Do you read comments before you approve them, or do you have one of your peons approve them, in your stead? This is the umpteenth time now that you have falsely claimed that I support the lab-leak theory, despite my explicitly denying it; e.g., barely a day ago:

    “It would not surprise me in the least– especially since, for example, the ABC News article clearly was written so as to be anti-Trump, with his re-election opportunity then just over the horizon– but I am quite content to remain agnostic on the issue, as I am about the virus’ origin and, frankly, and to the chagrin of many of my closest relatives, about life in general.”

    Do you think that your shameless lying is the result of your shallow gene pool (i.e., Nature), or do you think that it is the result of your clandestine sex life (i.e., Nurture)?

    Oh, by the way, speaking of “95% false-positives”:

    ***

    In view of the general consensus (including recent acknowledgements from both the WHO and CDC) that PCR cycle thresholds (Ct) above 30 results in increasingly large false positive test rates that approach 100%. (Note that 30 cycles represents a million replications of the RNA particles and 40 cycles represents a trillion replications.) If it takes a trillion multiplications of a test before any viral RNA fragments (much less viable viruses) can be identified, you can be sure there are not enough viral particles to cause a disease.

    . . .

    And here are some examples of PCR cycle thresholds for five of the PCR test kit brands that are used in the United States:

    – Quest: 50 cycles

    – Inbios: 45 cycles

    – Luminex: 45 cycles

    – Gnomegen: 39 cycles

    – ThermoFisher: 37 cycles.

    ***

    https://yogaesoteric.net/en/the-smoking-gun-is-the-pcr-cycle-threshold-ct-your-coronavirus-test-is-positive-you-still-might-not-have-covid-19/

    The pandemic numbers– and the unprecedented public-health panic that resulted from them– were driven by highly dubious PCR tests, set at ridiculously high cycle thresholds.

    • Thanks: Kali
  287. @D. K.

    You didn’t answer his points, you racist thug. Lying racist thug.

  288. @D. K.

    Well, obviously peddling race hatred and lies against China is plainly important to you. We noticed that.

  289. @Wizard of Oz

    We have plenty of evidence of malign US intentions, the vastness of its global network of bio-labs, its decades of prospecting for zoonoses in the ‘hot zones’ of the planet, the US vetoing the Bioweapons Treaty inspection mechanism for twenty years, and US malevolence and mendacity, and your habitual groveling to and apologising for that Evil. Case closed.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  290. Kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    Dear Ron,

    I confess to being somewhat stunned by your claim of “false positives” resulting in the detection of “sars-cov2” in many western countries long before the outbreak of a lab-made pathogen in Wuhan.

    Your reason for claiming the studies you cite in your previous article (to which you link above) were erronious was that (paraphrasing) “if there had been sars-cov2 present in the numbers reported in those studies, someone in the health care profession would have noticed”.

    Many of us have argued for a long time that what you claim is a “deadly pandemic” that has killed over 15 million people world-wide, is in fact no more deadly than regular flu (you disparagingly call us “flu-hoaxers) which targets the elderly and vulnerable.

    Further, we have argued that many, many of the aledged “covid” deaths were 1. not caused by “covid” (undeniable, when even victims of road accidents are counted as covid deaths), and 2. were often caused by the misstreatment of “covid” patients via intubation and the prescription of highly toxic drugs, the with-holding of safe, effective, inexpensive and readily available medicines, and the deliberate policy of euphinasia of the elderly by medazolam and morphin injections (specifically in the UK).

    The antigen test which you claim resulted in “95% false positives” are a MUCH MORE reliable test that the non-diagnostic PCR process which the CDC, et al, the establishment media and, consequently, you yourself, use to justify the claims of an international health crisis, justifying the authoritarian imposition of massive social and economic lockdowns (including of regular health services).
    We have cited the creator of the PCR process himself as saying it is NOT a diagnostic test, and used as such, particularly at high amplitude, result in false positives. Studies show that at cycles above 32, false positives come in at between 95 and 99%!

    To all of our claims, no matter how well supported, you have offered nothing but shameless, off-hand, uninformed name-calling, gas-lighting and trolling.

    I am astonished to find that through it all you yourself cite “false positives” as a reason to discount those half dozen or more studies which put pay to your “deadly pandemic” claims, whilst ignoring the FACT that the PCR process is absolutely known to result in false positives!

    Incidentally, I didn’t read that article at the time of publication because, being a “flu-hoaxer” and “crackpot anti-vaxxer”, I was unwelcome to comment on those articles, and was unwilling to subject myself the trolling you regularly served up at the time.

    It’s with sadness that I note you continue to use your, admitedly uninformed, opinions to troll, gas-light and otherwise disparage so many of your readers.

    Sleep tight, Ron (I’m sure you do),
    Kali.

    • Agree: D. K., acementhead
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  291. @Kali

    Excellent comment by Kali – marked by that particular politeness we’ve come to expect.

    As for this…

    We have cited the creator of the PCR process himself as saying it is NOT a diagnostic test, and used as such, particularly at high amplitude, result in false positives. Studies show that at cycles above 32, false positives come in at between 95 and 99%!

    … IMO you’ve let Mr. Unz off very lightly indeed, seeing as how the American CDC itself has belatedly admitted that the PCR tests are useless and incapable of distinguishing any bug from any other bug, and officially ditched the PCR tests for Corona Chan diagnosis (but note that the Rapid Antigen Tests – “RATs” – introduced to replace the PCR tests are themselves rigged to detect the “spike protein” now circulating in the blood of every person who has been injected with the fake “vaccines”, because that’s what they have been calibrated to detect!).

    [MORE]

    The effect of this is to inescapably invalidate all of Mr. Unz’ prior analysis and arguments which he based on published statistics from those now publicly admitted fake and worthless PCR tests.

    You can run, Mr. Unz, but you can’t hide. The Corona Chan “pandemic” across the globe was a “pandemic” of fake PCR tests and medical malpractice, not mortality from any alleged “deadly” bug which was nothing more than a media-hyped and relabeled regular old influenza season. Like it or not, Mr. Unz, data published by governments from around the world now show that the real wave of deaths – the depopulation, in other words – didn’t get underway until the fake “vaccines” were “rolled out” en masse across the planet.

    Continued denial of these readily demonstrable facts might most charitably be considered a species of cognitive dissonance, although other less flattering assessments can also be applied.

    You’ve done some excellent work researching the initial origins of the engineered bioweapon used by some military stooges to herald the Globalist’s commencement of their campaign for the Great Reset (but let’s just call it an “attack on China and Iran”, which it incidentally was). You’ve had your five minutes of fame – no need to beat a dead horse.

    Let it go, man. Just let it go.

    The world has moved on since those early days – now we have fake “vaccines” killing millions, and with your refusal to acknowledge that unfolding reality you missed that boat entirely.

    The Globalists haven’t stopped there but are now moving to destroy fuel supplies and food chains and enslave us all through digital IDs, blockchain currencies and universal basic incomes while we eat bugs and own nothing but are “happy” – all contingent on perpetual bioweapon injections enforced in utter contradiction to the principles laid down at the Nuremburg trials so many years ago.

    Are you going to remain focused exclusively on a past bioweapon attack by a bunch of clandestine military renegades who were indisputably in cahoots with the likes of Fauci’s cabal, and continue denying the larger agenda at play while the world collapses around us?

    Let it go, man. Just LET IT GO.

    • Replies: @Kali
  292. @D. K.

    Yes, that is precisely what I am implying! Do you really suppose that Chinese Communist Party is above such a deception to save face in front of the world? . . . really?!?

    Whether the Chinese Communist Party is above such a deception or not, is not really relevant to the issue at hand here. We know, for example, with a high degree of confidence that the American government is something of a specialist when it comes to false flags – but that knowledge in itself doesn’t ipso facto confirm that every violent event involving American interests is a false flag. Accessory evidence is needed for such confirmation.

    Nor does speculating on what we, or another country in similar circumstances, might or actually did choose to do, necessarily translate to the path chosen by China.

    You may be correct in your suspicions – but their speculative character speaks to a predetermined narrative with a foregone conclusion.

    For my part, I find Yee’s logic to be more compelling. Perhaps an American participant in those games could definitively resolve the question.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  293. Kali says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Excellent comment by Kali – marked by that particular politeness we’ve come to expect.

    That’s very sweet of you to say so, Mr Brave, though that part about politeness is not always true, as Mr Unz knowns first hand. (Luckily for me he has declined to publish some of my more abrassive comments addressed to him.)

    Are you going to remain focused exclusively on a past bioweapon attack by a bunch of clandestine military renegades who were indisputably in cahoots with the likes of Fauci’s cabal, and continue denying the larger agenda at play while the world collapses around us?

    Unfortunately, Mr Ron has invested way too much energy into hyping the “deadly pandemic” – at the expence of his reputation as a serious researcher and analist of “pravda” lies – to back-track now. I imagine, and have mentioned in the past, that his recognition that the covid was a bioweapon was almost immediate (he wasn’t the only one) and the subsequent developement of his “bio-warfare blowback” hypothesis, gained in sensational shock value if the “deadly pandemic” narrative was correct. And so he threw his weight behind that narrative – the previously excellent Ameriqan Pravda be damned.

    Congratulations on the “more” tag, Ultrafart, doubtless inserted on your behalf by our moderator-in-cheif.

    Sending love and best wishes, my friend,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  294. USGrant says:

    I trust nothing said or written by Jeffrey Sachs. Sachs looted Russia on behalf of himself and jewish oligarchs. The Covid virus is an American deep state hoax. The American MSM which controls the globe has convinced billions of the “deadly” virus which has killed almost nobody who wasn’t dying anyway. But Covid got billions of people to take the depopulation Vaxx the major first step in the American ruling class Agenda 21.

  295. Another captured phone call. Russians using troops like cannon fodder as usual:

    Russians can’t fight an honorable war and put up with dictators. No surprise that the Communists were able to walk all over them.

  296. @dux.ie

    interesting, thank you. it deserves more research.

  297. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Do you think that all of the foreign athletes– i.e., foreign to either China or the United States– who have chosen to be quoted in the press, by name, about a Covid-like disease outbreak among scores, if not hundreds, of participants in the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan were lying about their own experiences in China (and after their returning to their own homes, abroad)? If so, why would they all have been lying? Again, it does not matter whether the illness from which they all were suffering was Covid-19, as they all seemed to suspect in retrospect, or some other such disease outbreak. The likely response of the Chinese authorities, in October 2019, presumably would have been the same; and, the notice from, and alarm by, the Defense Intelligence Agency’s National Center for Medical Intelligence presumably would have been the same, regardless. If the athlete who said that his temperature was taken at the airport, upon his arrival in Wuhan, was telling the truth, what is the most parsimonious explanation for the precaution’s being taken, in mid-October 2019?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  298. Iris says:
    @D. K.

    As for mentally ill women who comment endlessly that no jetliners ever hit the World Trade Center . .

    I am very pleased to get the instant confirmation that you are all part of the same gerontological club of Kabballah volunteers, organised by the same “Rabbi”, and that your club includes the exquisite Fran Taubman as well. As somebody said above, you really are not smart, just very old.

    I will not try to explain to a tired old brain like yours that a hollow aluminium-alloy tube can never, in a million years, cut through and penetrate a structural steel structure. From a material science viewpoint, it would be equivalent to planting a steel knife into a soft piece of butter on a hot morning and getting the knife to be cut while the butter bar remains intact. This cannot be, neither on 9/11, nor ever.

    But since your cognitive abilities are limited by nature, age, and unstimulating tribal frequentations, and that you like simple videos, here is a very basic one to contemplate.

    It is a video of the South façade of the South Tower, the place where allegedly a “plane” went through and disappeared inside the structure. Note that the hole is too small : a Boeing 767 is 156 feet wide, while the width of the hole in the South Tower was 106 feet wide.

    There is nothing hooked onto the exploded steel beams, no fuselage shreds, no plane wreckage, no piece of synthetic cloth from the seats, not the smallest debris of anything.Where is the debris from any part of the plane? Vaporised? And all after the plane managed to squeeze itself like like a worm into a hole too small?

    I will assume you should understand something so simple a retard would get it, although past interactions with the Wizzard and the exquisite Fran make me pessimistic.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  299. D. K. says:
    @Iris

    To repeat myself: “Q.E.D.!

    (N.B.: I did not need a forty-year-old master’s degree in Personality & Social Psychology to realize that you would be utterly incapable of foregoing the bait….)

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  300. Rurik says:
    @Petermx

    the UK will follow the US lead and say or do whatever the Americans want. That once great nation is pathetic and they don’t have the excuse the Germans have, that they have to please a dumbed down world with a Jewish view of world history that is hostile to Germany.

    Well Peter, I see you’re only getting started on your trip down the ((rabbit hole)). I appreciate your sincerity, and you are beginning to see things the way they are, (and have been) but you’ve also got a ways to go.

    Perfidious has been a servile, (and murderous) bitch of Jewish banker money going back at least to the Boer War, when they invented concentration camps to starve the wives and children of the Dutch farmers, whose nascent nation Oppenheimer decided had his gold and diamonds in it. So Perfidious dutifully crushed the Afrikaners, in order to steal the gold and diamonds for their Jewish masters. The World Wars were basically those nations under Jewish domination, (Perfidious, France, Russia after the Revolution, etc..), being ordered by GJS to destroy Germany, twice.

    Soros is a typical member of the tribe, except that unlike the really powerful ones, (Rottenchild, others..) he relishes the limelight.

  301. Rurik says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    AIG executive who wrote a New York Times op-ed complaining he didn’t get his bonus for 2008 and he was loudly shamed. Also somebody was rude to Fuld (Lehman) at his gym.

    This is our current head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Gary Gensler

    this is the head of the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt

  302. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    Frankly, I think that the evidence that it was an American biowarfare attack is so enormous and easily understood, that people might easily stumble upon many of those completely ignored facts, and quickly be shocked into energetic activity.

    Well Mr, Unz, there again I’m not as optimistic about the people in general (and their wherewithal for doing anything) as you might be.

    Covid has caused enormous and catastrophic problems to humanity, with deaths in the millions and other calamities. But next to 9/11, I just don’t think it even compares. 9/11 was used to bomb entire nations into the stone age. And not just cause the deaths of the elderly and infirm, dying in a hospital or nursing home, but entire families and villages deliberately blown to bits. Men, women and children mass-murdered outright. Who can forget the photo of the little Iraqi boy with his arms burned off.

    Horrors on a massive scale, destroying entire nations and not just inconveniencing people, but plunging their lives into living hells on earth. Not to mention the evisceration of the American people’s constitutional rights, with extra-judicial summery executions of American citizens by drone. And America running a permanent torture camp. When Ehud Barak said nothing would be the same again, he was right. With Palestinian-type check points at every airport and little old ladies being humiliated.

    Even if the death tolls were comparable, (and I doubt that), the loss of freedom, the long term effects of DU munitions, and just the karmic hatred that the ZUS has well-earned in the Muslim world, has drastically altered our world in ways impossible to quantify.

    And all of those enormities and death and suffering, just as your (excellent) 9/11 article points out, is all based on (by now obvious) lies. If you polled the world’s people, and asked them if they believe that we were all lied to about 9/11, I pretty sure more than half would agree.

    And yet, what, if not that, would we expect to ‘shock the world’s people into energetic activity’?

    The problem is, even once they know, what can they do about it?

    All the levers of power are all controlled in the Western world. All the media, and all the politicians. The universities and courts and obviously our Justice Dept and every means of holding anyone to account, is all co-opted by the criminals who’ve used their printing press to buy it all. Just like the SEC, with the charming director appointed by Biden I just posted. Is there going to be any accountability this time, as they blow up the global economy again with their greed and criminality?

    Nope. Not a chance. The little guy will suffer, and the uber-criminals at Goldman Sachs will get tax-payer funded bonuses. As usual.

    Not that I don’t applaud your efforts Sir. All day long.

    And perhaps, just perhaps, I’m wrong. And with Covid, with all the lies and abuses, it will finally be the last straw. I’d certainly love to see that. I’m just rather pessimistic these days.

  303. rmjtools says:

    I would find it hard to believe that Trump would sign off on a bio warfare attack on any country. This is the same guy who called off a retaliatory strike on Iran for shooting down a drone because it would have killed about 35 Iranians. However, this whole thing stinks of Fauci.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @A123
  304. @D. K.

    I’m really not quite sure what conversation it is that you think you’re having.

    Whatever bug it is that you have up your butt right now, it has apparently flown in from someone else’s discussion before implanting itself.

    Yee quite sensibly responded to allegations about spectators – allegations disputing the veracity of Mulga’s original comment, a comment which in my opinion has been substantiated (or at least, the detractions from which have been plausibly countered by Yee).

    Maybe you should cut down on the weed.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  305. @Kali

    Unfortunately, Mr Ron has invested way too much energy into hyping the “deadly pandemic”… And so he threw his weight behind that narrative.

    That appears to be the case. Tragic if true – he had so much potential. Mr. Unz could have been a powerful advocate for the good of humanity. Now any future research by Mr. Unz will likely be assumed suspect by a significant segment of his audience, no matter how meticulous or well-grounded.

    Congratulations on the “more” tag, Ultrafart, doubtless inserted on your behalf by our moderator-in-cheif.

    Actually self-applied – just a basic courtesy to forum browsers when a comment gets a bit long. One of the many useful features in this forum platform so generously provided by Mr. Unz.

    • Thanks: Kali
  306. @Yee

    On my screen, even with magnification, I can see no evidence that those pictures were of athletes at the Wuhan military games. It seems particularly strange that there appear to be no signs in English as I would expect for an international competition. How do you know the pics are of Ethan games events?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Yee
  307. @dux.ie

    Why bother to argue with some people that are just too dumb to ask relevant questions.

    Is that a joke, or perhaps tongue in cheek?

    Plenty of relevant questions suggest themselves to one reading your confusing comment.

    Apart from the familiar fact that home teams almost always win more medals than when they travel outside their own country to compete, the obvious question is how the US chooses its military games team in contrast to the athletically meritocratic standards for Olympic selection.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  308. D. K. says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    That there was no disease outbreak in Wuhan in October 2019, including among the athletes at the Military World Games, is crucial to Ron Unz’ “proof” of his theory. He posits that (a) the alleged N.I.A report in November 2019 (which was promptly denied by the appropriate spokesman) was real, but (b) that it referred to a disease outbreak that was still days away from its start, with a Patient Zero not infected until on or about November 18, 2019. He takes this “precognition” on behalf of our military as the “smoking gun” that proves that our own government, or rogue elements thereof, had launched a biowarfare attack against China, as it lated did, he contends, within Iran. If there was a significant disease outbreak at the Military World Games, whether of Covid-19 or another casually transmitted illness, then, even if there was such an N.I.A. report produced in the second week of November 2019, there was no “precognition” proving a nefarious plot by the United States Government, nor rogue elements thereof, against China.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  309. @D. K.

    As you’ve still got the energy to engage 9/12 truthers’ total nuttiness let me offer a challenge. See if you can get an answer on a couple of simple questions I pose and that no one has answered, including Ron.

    1. How come rational plotters who want Arab hijackers to be blamed arrange to bring down WTC 7 by by controlled demolition?
    2. How come the Tower with much greater weight of tower above the point of impact and beginning of fire than on the other tower came down after a much shorter interval for the fire to weaken the steel supporting members?

    Not conclusive of course but it seems telling that truthers turn away from even considering it like believers asked to acknowledge that the difficulties of Virginia birth make belief difficult.

  310. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Plenty of relevant questions suggest themselves to one reading your confusing comment

    hey lizard, seeing you here, I was prompted to wonder at a question, I believe many might be pondering..

    Just above, I posted a couple of photographs of guys whose job it is to monitor goings on, and work towards a mutual goal.

    My question is, which one of these fellows more resembles you?

  311. @Wizard of Oz

    My friend Nino Scalia who lived in Virginia and had nine children would have believed in Virginia birth😎.

  312. Rurik says:
    @thotmonger

    What I MUCH prefer about Dr. Fleming’s testimony (below) over Mr. Unz is that Fleming — on top of arguing convincingly that Covid 19 is a bioweapon — speaks to the massive criminal malfeasance of Big Dope and their sock puppet politicians that have betrayed our trust and grossly abused their positions of power.

    yep

    or the malfeasance of Big Tech, and their sock puppet whore politicians, that have also betrayed our trust, and collect all our data, with the complicity of our sniveling, venal and treasonous politicians.

    When I learned of things like the French Revolution, and the guillotine, I remember thinking that wow, things must have been pretty bad back then. Thank goodness that it’s all been sorted out now.

    Who’d a thunk I be watching history repeat itself so tragically.

  313. Yee says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It seems particularly strange that there appear to be no signs in English as I would expect for an international competition.

    A closed-up shot, see the bottom part of the GIF.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  314. Rurik says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Thanks Author, (and everyone whose encouragement I definitely appreciate!).

    How important is the blathering lying western media?
    I mean in the global scope?
    In which the collective west’s influence and (if you like) moral stature is diminishing day by day. Gay parade “values”, disastrous policies follow one after each other.

    well, as you know, very important. But significantly, not universally the last word.

    If their power were absolute, then Russia (and Hungary and others) would also be vassal states, with transgender kindergartners and massive African and other immigration. The fact that Russia and China and some others, have decided to tell the ((regime)) ‘No’, is a very encouraging development. Even within the borders of their iron bubble of information – their Western fiefdom, there is dissent. Some parents are refusing to have gender reassignment for their six year olds. Some parents are even balking at the idea that all white people are evil and racist and guilty and owe. So there are chinks in ((their)) armor.

    Ultimately, I have no idea how it is all going to pan out. I have no idea how much of the Covid hysteria is manufactured vs. prudent. All I know is the people in charge, the elites, either belong to an ancient tribe that hates our guts, and wants us all destroyed or enslaved, or are Gentiles who’re willing to go along with that program, out of self-interest, as they see it.

    So our situation is not good.

    For my part I want to tell the truth, and speak out against evil, and if things get too menacing, (as they increasingly are), then my plan is to tuck tail, and get the f out of here. Perhaps Spain or Portugal or Latin America somewhere. IDK. I just don’t want to see what looks more and more imminent, as the hate of the tribe seems to be hardwired, and unable to pull back from the abyss. The frog and the scorpion, as someone just pointed out. It boils down to keeping one’s moistened finger in the air, and hoping that me and mine have the good sense to get out, while the gettin’s good.

    • Replies: @Kali
    , @Ultrafart the Brave
  315. @Wizard of Oz

    … 9/12 truthers’ total nuttiness…

    I believe it was 11 September 2001, so that would be 9/11 if one follows the peculiar American date coding protocol (I do find it an odd format – one would think that the logical approach would be to list dates in order of smallest to largest unit, ie, 11/09/2001).

    Still on that topic – you mean there are still people who swallow the official BS narrative on that event?

    Not conclusive of course but it seems telling that truthers turn away from even considering it…

    The psychology of the situation is embodied in a phenomenon known as the “paradigm” – anyone trapped in a paradigm is quite literally physically unable to accept or process information which conflicts with their preformed beliefs. It’s true, numerous tests have been done which show that people will physically see what conforms to their deeply entrenched belief, even if a picture which shows the opposite is presented to them.

    It’s also why so many people will contort and twist and turn data on it’s head to sustain a narrative – even though the age-old adage is that the simplest theory is usually the best.

    Anyone still holding fast to the official 11/09/2001 narrative over two decades later is pretty much a lost cause. They’d rather die than accept the truth – seriously.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  316. @rmjtools

    I would find it hard to believe that Trump would sign off on a bio warfare attack on any country.

    He could’ve been manipulated into it. Suppose the outbreak of the “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfield, VA, in June and July of 2019 was a deliberate act by “rogue elements” (yeah right) of the ruling Satanic cult, the purpose being to convince Trump to sign off on it à la: “Rats, the virus has ‘accidentally’ escaped, look what it did at the Greenspring Retirement Community. Oh well, the only thing we can do now is send it to China, let them detect it and report it to the WHO and then we’ll blame it on them.”

    Moreover, the news stories about the so-called “breach of containment” incidents or whatever at Ft. Detrick could’ve been part of the plot by creating a believable narrative to convince Trump.

    This is the same guy who called off a retaliatory strike on Iran for shooting down a drone because it would have killed about 35 Iranians. However, this whole thing stinks of Fauci.

    Obviously, Trump wouldn’t have any more of a problem killing 35 (or more) Iranians than he would killing Syrians or Iraqis. The more likely problem Trump had was trying to justify potentially starting WW3 because of the loss of a drone. Trump was probably hoping that Iran would draw blood at some point, but they didn’t, thereby denying him the necessary casus belli.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  317. @dux.ie

    Some good questions posed there in your comment.

    On this one…

    Were out of the 172 US competitors most of them were COVID asymptomatic or recovered with long COVID, and brought the COVID to Wuhan ?

    … a possibility not posed in the framing of your question is – were the US participants chosen that year for their athletic abilities, or were they selected according to other criteria (predicated on the need to do an unstated job for their employer)?

    No conclusions here – just throwing it out there.

  318. @D. K.

    I’m not following this closely, but … wait … so Ron Unz claims American operatives went to the military games in Wuhan and spread the Covid-19 virus but no participants of the military games caught Covid-19, only local Wuhan residents did. Makes sense, does it?

  319. D. K. says:
    @Commentator Mike

    His theory is that operatives were sent in with the American military delegation, in mid-October 2019, and that, at some unspecified point, they set off a “device” that spread SARS-CoV-2, thus causing the original COVID-19 epidemic, in Wuhan, beginning with the infection of a “Patient Zero” on or about November 18, 2019. He suspects that the “device” was set off at some location away from the Military World Games sites, such as the wet market that remains the chief suspect as the location of a possible natural transmission point for the virus’ having leapt from an animal host to a human victim, as still theorized by many experts and laymen alike. He believes that Neocons situated in high positions in the Trump Administration launched the plot– later followed by a similar attack in Iran– and that the operatives who actually carried it out were merely following orders, assuming that President Trump or his authorized subordinates had formally approved of the operation against a hated geopolitical rival, followed by another attack, in Iran, against another hated geopolitical rival. His chief suspects are the then-Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and the former National Security Advisor, John Bolton, who had resigned on September 10, 2019, before either attack actually went forward.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
  320. @Harold Smith

    Moreover, the news stories about the so-called “breach of containment” incidents or whatever at Ft. Detrick could’ve been part of the plot by creating a believable narrative to convince Trump.

    BTW I forgot to mention that, IMO, the outbreak of the “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring retirement home taken together with the report of “breaches of containment” at Ft Detrick (some 60 miles away) would seem to create “plausible deniability” that the U.S. “government” deliberately attacked the world (particularly its “enemy” China) with a biological weapon.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
  321. A123 says: • Website
    @rmjtools

    I would find it hard to believe that Trump would sign off on a bio warfare attack on any country.

    No one, including Mr. Unz (1), is stating that this was an authorized WMD (biologic) first strike authorized by President Trump.

    You don’t need to rely upon Russian implications. Trump’s lackadaisical personal reaction once the Covid virus began circulating in America almost certainly proves that he didn’t have a clue

    Did Anti-American traitors steal the virus from Fort Detrick? If so, it really should be described as an Anti-American attack. Trump was headed to a fairly easy 2nd Term win before the #NeverTrumpVirus.

    Mr. Unz would have a stronger case for a deliberate release scenario if he properly labels it as an Attack *ON* America, not one by America.

    This is the same guy who called off a retaliatory strike on Iran for shooting down a drone because it would have killed about 35 Iranians.

    I concur. Despite sociopath Khamenei’s repeated provocations and attempts to start a war. The extremely perceptive Trump refused to fight on Iran’s terms. Trump is the first President in quite some time to decline foreign wars.

      

    Trump displayed substantial intelligence end running the NeoConDemocrat war hawks in other ways.

    SYRIA — Violent Leftoids were setting up a slaughter of American troops in a kill sack between Turkish and Syria lines that would have guaranteed increased involvement. Trump invented a transparent cover story about “protecting oil” and deftly moved our soldiers out of the NeoConDemocrat trap.

    AFGHANISTAN — Gen. SJW Milley [MORE] designed a “withdrawal plan” so stupid it guaranteed disaster. Trump engaged in 4-D (possibly 5-D) chess, thus negating the nefarious intent. He effectively ended operations in Afghanistan thus crushing the hopes & dreams of the DNC War Party. And, then brilliantly avoided Gen. SJW Milley’s trap by not implementing what would have been a failed withdrawal.

    Some things, even Trump cannot receive credit for. Not-The-President Biden enthusiastically sprinted into the trap Gen. SJW Milley’s laid for Trump so quickly it could not be defused in time. What was that Obama warning about Joe?

    this whole thing stinks of Fauci.

    BigPharma and Fauci certainly exploited the situation for gain after Chinese Coronavirus entered the general population. They suppressed safe and effective treatment such as hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) combined with or without azithromycin (AZ).

    However, tying U.S. and European BigPharma to a release in Wuhan is a bit of a stretch. If the release was intended to maximize profit, the international air terminal at Heathrow would be much easier and much more effective as Ground Zero.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/announcement/russian-defense-ministry-accuses-american-government-of-being-responsible-for-the-emergence-of-covid/#comment-5480358

    [MORE]

    General SJW Milley in full regalia:

     
     

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  322. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    This was explained to you 347 times, but you still don’t get it. Time to find a hobby other than politics?

    1. How come rational plotters who want Arab hijackers to be blamed arrange to bring down WTC 7 by by controlled demolition?

    Because your tribal cousins Silverstein, Mossad and Co never intended to blow up WTC7 in the first place, as it was was to low to be credibly hit by a “plane”.

    Something went instantaneously and unexpectedly wrong for the imbecilic perpetrators: WTC7 unpredictably sustained massive explosion collateral damage.

    Its internal lobby was bombed, its internal staircase collapsed, its façade glass cladding was blown out outwards. WTC7 suddenly became a smoking gun for controlled demolition, so Silverstein had to hastily improvise and made the unplanned decision to demolish it too.

    2. How come the Tower with much greater weight of tower above the point of impact and beginning of fire than on the other tower came down after a much shorter interval for the fire to weaken the steel supporting members?

    That’s because the fire had nothing to do with the Towers collapsing, as they came down by controlled demolition.

    The nuclear explosives used to bring down the Towers were stored under WTC7, and had to be delivered under each Twin Tower through delivery tunnels, just after the “plane” attacks.

    The Twin Towers had to be demolished in the wrong order. Although the North Tower was hit first, it was the closest to WTC7. If the Israeli perpetrators had demolished it first, they would have damaged the deliver tunnels leading to the South Tower, and would have been unable to destroy the latter.

    You see, it is very simple. You just pretend not to understand very simple things when they prove the evilness of your beloved Israel.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  323. @Iris

    Because your tribal cousins Silverstein, Mossad and Co never intended to blow up WTC7 in the first place, as it was was to low to be credibly hit by a “plane”.

    Giulani already in the morning hinted that that the WTC7 will be demolished, hence cannot be used for monitoring the crisis. To wire an entire building for control demolition cannot be done in one day.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  324. You see, it is very simple.

    Remarkable – your explanation re the sequence of demolition is something I hadn’t seen before.

    Regardless, it’s pretty much self evident that they were demolitions – and planned demolitions at that.

    After that point, the details are mostly moot – the whole thing was a colossal false flag, and the government itself was in on it. Not too different than Pearl Harbour, except in that case the President and his motley crew allowed and even empowered the US’ adversaries to do all the dirty work.

    One big difference is that the Pearl Harbour atrocity ultimately saved an awful lot of other countries an awful lot of grief at the hands of the Japanese (and probably also Europe at the hands of whoever was killing who over there at the time).

    The events of 11 September 2001 don’t really seem to have had any upside, except maybe for the Globalists with the impending collapse of the USA and its very extended empire of military bases.

    Some people might regard that as a benefit to the world, but I’d suggest it’s a case of the lesser of two evils – and IMO we really don’t need a bunch of Satanic eugenicists in control of the world.

    • Replies: @Iris
  325. @Desert Fox

    Jeffrey David Sachs and Ron Unz self-portraying as rebellious truth-tellers by saying COVID-19 is a US Gov product is a slight of hand to distract from the reality there was no mortality increase in 2020 thus nothing out there more dangerous than the typical seasonal flu, regardless of whether naturally occurring or bio engineered.

    The Jews’ Media’s #JewFlu scare barrage was the sole extraordinary danger, Satan’s (John 8:44) offspring’s goals being:

    1) setting the table for mail-in voting to enable the utilization of black inner-city fraud to oust the incumbent who had opposed the Jews’ century long quest to open the US borders to flood out the descendants of Christendom who established the world’s greatest nation;

    2) cull the goyim herd with poisonous jab;

    3) use #JewU\$ury to capture the natural resources of the Third World where nations could not afford the #JewJab so they were forced to assign land rights to buy jabs;

    4) establish cyber police state to facilitate micromanagement of the entire population individual by individual.

  326. @Ultrafart the Brave

    You make some true but overstated generalisations. If course you would see that you are describing well the mindset of people who can’t shake off their mindset about there having been controlled demolitions……

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  327. @Commentator Mike

    … so Ron Unz claims American operatives went to the military games in Wuhan and spread the Covid-19 virus but no participants of the military games caught Covid-19…

    For better or worse (it’s sometimes a puzzle to follow D.K.’s convolutions) I believe D.K. has it mostly right on this one.

    Lots of military participants in those games from various nations did indeed come home sick, and did report it.

    Not widely reported by our Globalist controlled media, of course.

    And as to whodunnit… well, that’s another story, a closely guarded secret (although after two years of this lunacy, we all have our opinions).

  328. @Yee

    Thank you. But now I also notice the appearance of the spectators who look like an organised froup from one side or faction – a bit like like organised school children who are gathered at one end of a footba field to support their team.

    • Replies: @Yee
  329. Iris says:
    @Olivier1973

    Giulani already in the morning hinted that that the WTC7 will be demolished,

    Hi Olivier and thanks ever so much for your reply. It it is actually much worse than you think: Rudy Giuliani was forewarned of the collapse of the Twin Towers themselves, long before WTC7 came down:

    At 1PM [13:00] 9/11/01 Eastern Time, Rudy Giuliani told Peter Jennings of ABC News: “[W]e set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street , and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building.”

    Giuliani’s statement that he was told the WTC was going to come down has been seen to imply foreknowledge only by those few individuals who know two things: that there would have been no reason to expect the buildings to come down unless they were known to be rigged with explosives, and that it was Giuliani’s own people (in the Office of Emergency Management) who said the buildings were going to come down.

    Giuliani said he was warned in advance of the collapse of the South Tower. How and where did he get this warning?

    Listen at 1:50:

    People often highlight Silverstein’s foreknowledge of WTC7 collapsing, but rarely are aware of the above, which is an even much bigger foreknowledge smoking gun. Never such a high-rise building collapsed because of fire, so how did the officials know it was going to happen?

  330. Iris says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Regardless, it’s pretty much self evident that they were demolitions – and planned demolitions at that.

    Dear fellow commenter, thanks for your reply.

    I can only stress that anybody interested in 9/11, or pretending to be interested like the half-senile, half-retarded Wizzard does, cannot ignore the existence of American emeritus Professor Lewis Hulsey’s civil engineering study on the collapse of WTC7. This report scientifically proves that WTC7 came down by “global failure”, i.e. controlled demolition. Any further discussion is moot, as you put it.

    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    If WTC7 came down by controlled demolition, then so did the Twin Towers, for all three structures displayed similar incredible collapse characteristics: freefall sessions, fine disintegration of structural steel and concrete, collapse in own footprint.

    No intelligent person would ever dispute a peer-reviewed, state-of-the-art engineering study.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  331. @mulga mumblebrain

    You are far from proving any malevolent intent associated with the labs in Ukraine. There is enough malevolent intent in the US and in many other places round the world not to need these particular sources of potential evil.

  332. Iris says:
    @Olivier1973

    To wire an entire building for control demolition cannot be done in one day.

    Hi Olivier; there was no need to wire the buildings for demolition.

    1) The “Art students” working for Silverstein and Mossad indeed wired the top of the buildings with nanothermite, in order to produce the spectacular explosions that could be passed for “planes” crashing into the Towers. But these explosions, or the ensuing fires, were nowhere powerful enough to weaken the structural steel and bring down WTC1 and 2.

    Please remember Notre-Dame burning for 8 hours with raging flames and the roof’s flimsy galvanised steel scaffolding coming out unscathed after these 8 hours. This is enough for anybody with basic common sense to realise that fire could not have taken down the Twin Towers’ steel structures, and that NIST’s report is laughable poppycock.

    2) After the simulated “plane” attack, the Twin Towers were demolished using another method, and another explosive. Their controlled demolition was a classic case of underground nuclear detonations, of which 1,471 at least have been officially carried out since the 1950’s.

    Nuclear weapons had been stored for years under WTC7, an official building with restricted access.
    When Silverstein and Co got their way, these nuclear heads were moved through delivery railtrack tunnels, similar to those of the WTC subway, up to underneath each Twin Tower. Once there, they were lowered into holes dug up into the bedrock. These holes existed since construction, when dozens and dozens of similar holes were drilled to plant structural piles and anchor the sky-scrapers. The perpetrators used a hole that was left free under each Tower.

    All in all, it took them only 30 minutes to fool the relevant authorities thanks to the scary Pentagon attack, obtain the nuclear codes, move the nuclear heads up to the Towers, lower them into the detonation chambers, and fire them.

  333. Yee says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Look, I posted the photos to counter the claims of “no spectators”. There were, and there were from the games in discussion.

  334. @Wizard of Oz

    There is enough malevolent intent in the US and in many other places round the world not to need these particular sources of potential evil.

    Well, there’s a most peculiar statement.

    I’m quite confident that there will never be “enough malevolent intent” where people like the Satanic Globalists are concerned.

    That consideration aside, I’d also wager that the psycopaths running the American Empire don’t temper their mischief according to any perceived “need” by impartial observers. It’s not a movie script, after all.

    If we were in Wonderland, we could be like Peter Pan and just clap to make all the bad men go away. Yet here we still are (and so are they).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  335. @Wizard of Oz

    If course you would see that you are describing well the mindset of people who can’t shake off their mindset about there having been controlled demolitions……

    The “paradigm” thing is an equal opportunity trap – but as I understand it, it’s largely associated with the herding nature of the human species, ie, humans are prewired to align their views with what they think the majority of other people around them believe. Once in that mindset, it becomes a challenge to break out of it. As the saying goes, “it’s easier to fool someone than to convince them that they’ve been fooled” – most especially when someone has actually fooled themselves.

    It takes an independent thinker to go against the collective mindset. Some may do this as a matter of principle, others may be more analytic in their judgements.

    As regards the controlled demolition of the skyscrapers on 11/09/2001, as Iris astutely observed in Post #334…

    This report scientifically proves that WTC7 came down by “global failure”, i.e. controlled demolition. Any further discussion is moot, as you put it.

    https://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

    … hard to argue with that – and as it happens, it confirms my own subjective assessment of the events of that day, taking into account whatever video and other evidence has been available.

    Perhaps I’m trapped in my own paradigm – but I’m comfortable with that, given the extreme implausibility of just about every facet of the extensive official narrative relating to that day.

    Maybe the Mythbusters can go out and fly a couple of planes into a couple of Manhattan skyscrapers and see if they come down. Or not.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  336. @Yee

    Look, I posted the photos to counter the claims of “no spectators”.

    … seems you just can’t please some people (especially when they’re trapped in a paradigm).

  337. @Wizard of Oz

    Motive-US malevolence plus the rise of Russia and China. Means-tens of billions spent in bio-warfare research over decades. Plus US vetoing of the Inspection regime of the Bio-weapons Treaty for twenty years. Opportunity-the World Military Games in Wuhan. Do you really enjoy being a groveling apologist for Absolute Evil?

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  338. dux.ie says:

    US CDC Dir Redfield Testified On C-SPAN That NotTyped Flu Case Could be COVID19
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4860848/user-clip-cdc-director-coronavirus-related-deaths-thought-flu

    Instead of a long time chart of the Influenza Like Illness ILI where seasonal effects are shown far apart that their relationships cannot be seen readily, a seasonal chart is used with the week of year as the x-axis. Very early and very late weeks are the colder times of year when ILI spreads. The data are from US CDC https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/fluportaldashboard.html

    The first noticeable NotTyped ILI strain(s) were from 2013 but they were at small volume and that might not trigger investigation from CDC. However the NotTyped trends 2016 (red +), 2017 (green x) and the early 2018 (cyan square) were getting more serious every year after 2013. The US CDC could be incompetent if it allowed that to happen for 5 straight years without knowing the nature of the NotTyped ILI which had killed significant number of Americans by then. Or was CDC aware of the ILI strain(s) concerned but it was unable to publicly acknowledge or to do something about that until the the very explosive surge at the end of 2018. The US Army Fort Detrick Inst. of Infectous Disease Biolab was shut down by civilian CDC after some long bureaucratic discussions/wranglings on Aug 2019. The 2018 ILI surge was claimed to be due to electronic vaping in US but there was no such case in Europe. Unknown pneumonia outbreak happened in two nursing homes which were located close to Fort Detrick in July 2019. Were those seniors so up to date into electronic vaping in large numbers?? Why US researcher Dr. Chu was ordered not to investigate the origin of SARS2?? Why US only fully sequence about 5% of the reported COVID cases while UK is sequencing at about above 60%??

    The shutdown of the US Army IID Biolab did not stop the even higher surge of the NotTyped ILI at the end of 2019 (purple square curve) and it was during this time that the US competitors were sent to the 2019 Wuhan Millitary World Games, in the middle of the largest NotTyped ILI in US. How convieniently when the seasonal NotTyped ILI died down during the warmer month of Apr 2020 that the IID Biolab was allowed to resume operations.

    Why the Mayor of Belleville NJ asserted he had caught COVID in AtlanticCity in Nov 2019 as he had higher IgG antibody level which most probably correlated to the earlier 19A/B strains without the D614G mutation?? Why the explosive growth of the NotTyped ILI SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED AND REPLACED BY THE SARSCOV2 (brown circle curve with scale 1000x larger) WHEN THE CHINESE HAD IDENTIFIED THE SARSCOV2?? WAS IT BECAUSE the NotTyped ILI STRAIN WAS REALLY SARSCOV2, LIKE PREVIOUSLY IN 2009 THE NOTTYPED STRAIN WAS H1N1 SWINE FLU??

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html
    In the spring of 2009, a novel influenza A (H1N1) virus emerged. It was detected first in the United States and spread quickly across the United States and the world.

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
  339. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I’m quite confident that there will never be “enough malevolent intent” where people like the Satanic Globalists are concerned.

    In your words “that’s a most peculiar statement”. Even our host who loves conspiracy theories must find so.ething as Barry sounding as “Satanic Globalists” hard to take on his website.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  340. @Ultrafart the Brave

    The problem with pinning one’s beliefs on WTC 7 coming down by controlled demolition is that it leaves open
    1. Quickly rigged up explosives when it became likely that the building couldn’t be saved (or, because WTC 1 and 2 had apparently been brought down by fire and gravity, it was feared the same would happen to WTC 7.)

    2. That could have been motivated by safety or by Larry Silverstein’s preference, or both.

    WTC 7’s demolition, if that is what it was, remains a negative for any conspiracy designed to make people blame a bunch of jigadist Arabs

  341. @Yee

    And I thank you but it doesn’t answer the suggestion that, as I understand it, there weren’t any (or many) regular spectators. I have no dog in this fight but like to test evidence.

    • Replies: @Yee
  342. Anon[573] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You might choose to look into the heat that was recorded at WTC 1 & 2 over 4 or 5 weeks, enough to feed a power station and more than 1000 commercial jet aircraft carry, but I doubt that you will.

    A “stuck” vinyl record comes to mind when I think Wizard of Oz.

  343. Yee says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    How would I know who the spectators were? I don’t live in Wuhan, nor did I organize the event. They sat there watching the game, so the claim “no spectators” was a lie.

    • Replies: @D. K.
  344. D. K. says:
    @Yee

    This is the lone quote at issue, as far as I can tell:

    ***

    In order to prevent national embarrassment, the decision was made to allow the 2019 Military World Games to continue. No spectators were allowed to attend the games, but international athletes and some of the 236,000 volunteers still become infected, spreading the virus in the city. Dozens of athletes fall ill with symptoms. Since COVID-19 can infect humans without causing symptoms, an untold number of athletes and volunteers become infected, but are asymptomatic and unaware they are infectious.

    ***

    I had quoted from an article in “The Washington Examiner” [supra] that had included several quotes from the minority report, upon its release, including that one. It comes from the top of page 59 . . .

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

    . . . in the section of the report entitled “HYPOTHESIS: A LAB LINK THAT CAUSED A PANDEMIC.”

    It is apparent from the context, within the report as a whole, that the authors are, if inartfully, distinguishing between the paying spectators who otherwise would have attended the Military World Games, in October 2019, and the volunteers who were either assigned or allowed to fill the stands, in place of the paying spectators. Whether that claim is true or not, I cannot say; I was merely quoting a news article that was merely quoting the minority report.

    • Replies: @Yee
  345. Kali says:
    @Rurik

    The fact that Russia and China and some others, have decided to tell the ((regime)) ‘No’, is a very encouraging development.

    It is. Particularly if what Uncle Arthur sais about China pulling away from the global warming hoax is true. Again, time will tell.

    As for you Rurik, I sense from your comment a great sadness at the state you find your nation in. Of course, that’s not surprising, but still I hope that you find peace in it all.

    Naturally, should you find yourself in Portugal (and there are worse places one can find oneself) then I hope you will pay us a visit here on the mountain. In fact, I insist. 🙂

    Sending love and very best wishes (to Uncle A too),
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  346. @Wizard of Oz

    On the matter of WTC7…

    1. Quickly rigged up explosives when it became likely that the building couldn’t be saved…

    … that might be a plausible explanation for what occured, but IMO it’s really stretching the bounds of credibility because –

    a. Rigging a building for demolition typically takes the experts days or even weeks to set up to ensure that everything goes according to plan – and WTC7 at 47 stories high would have been a massive demolition project! How many hours did they have to rig WTC7 with explosives (all 47 floors) on the morning of 11/09/2001 after they decided that the building couldn’t be saved from the consequences of a totally unexpected and unforeseen series of disasters on that very same morning?

    b. There were a few office fires in WTC7, caused presumably by some debris from the explosions in WTC1 or WTC2. A few office fires – nothing the regular fire brigade or even the built-in sprinkler system couldn’t eventually take care of. Certainly nothing that would in any way bring the structural integrity of a 47 story skyscraper into question. It’s hard to understand the notion of anyone deciding that a 47 story tower with a few office fires couldn’t be saved. And then there’s the issue of finding some explosive demolition experts and all the rest (refer to note #a).

    c. If we suppose that the 47 story WTC7 was rigged preposterously quickly with explosives (maybe in the space of 1 hour – that’s 60 minutes) on the very morning of 11/09/2001 in order to demolish the building (which in itself emphatically beggars belief), then surely the official narrative would have included this in its description of the unfolding events. Instead, they prefer that we accept that a few office fires catalysed the spontaneous collapse of WTC7 at freefall velocity into its own footprint. If Superman and the Flash really did kit WTC7 out with explosives on the morning of 11/09/2001 (and that’s as plausible as any other train of thought in this particular hypothesis) then why omit this from the official narrative?

    Foreknowledge of the imminent collapse of WTC7 is indisputable, irrespective of who would like to dispute it – that BBC reporter declaring it’s collapse with WTC7 clearly still standing in the background, some time before it then did eventually collapse, absolutely confirms this. So that sort of points to the idea that they had already made plans to bring it down.

    And certainly Larry Silverstein had a vested interest in bringing WTC7 down – all that juicy insurance money. It’s just that the task would realistically have required an awful lot of effort (days to weeks) rigging up that 47 story skyscraper to collapse before its execution. He seemed to be rather casual with such a monumental decision to “pull” a 47 story tower in downtown Manhattan – did he have more time than most to get used to the idea?

    WTC 7’s demolition, if that is what it was, remains a negative for any conspiracy designed to make people blame a bunch of jigadist Arabs

    Can’t argue with that. It’s consistent with the official narrative’s meticulous exclusion of the possibility of any controlled demolition of any building on that day.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Wizard of Oz
  347. @Kali

    Naturally, should you find yourself in Portugal (and there are worse places one can find oneself) then I hope you will pay us a visit here on the mountain. In fact, I insist.

    A promise to put on a yodeling concert would surely clinch the deal.

  348. @Wizard of Oz

    Even our host who loves conspiracy theories must find so.ething as Barry sounding as “Satanic Globalists” hard to take on his website.

    Indeed he does.

    As Satanic Globalist Bill Gates would say, “sadly”, we ignore these demon-possessed psycopathic genocidal arseholes at our peril.

    Klaus Schwab has successfully inserted his Globalist agents into every government and societal institution across the Western world. We are in the midst of his push for the Great Reset right now – a New World Order in which 90% of the world’s population will be exterminated, and the survivors “will own nothing, and be happy”.

    The level of subversion is astonishing – these bastards are everywhere. Not just our fake “leaders” like Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Ardern and, yes, recent Prime Minister and closet paedophile Scott Morrison who just oversaw the deliberate destruction of Australia’s society, industry and economy with over two years of a fake “pandemic” and forced injections. The “Young Global Leaders” from the WEF’s apprenticeship program have infested the world.

    Don’t take my word for it…

    https://www.australiannationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/australia-naming-young-global-leaders-other-australians-tied-to-the-world-economic-forum/

    And remember creepy Bill? He was one of the very first “Young Global Leaders”, alongside Angela Merkel and outgoing Australian Federal Health Minister Greg Hunt! Creepy Bill is pushing for everyone (except him and his Globalist buddies) to eat bugs and much worse

    https://www.australiannationalreview.com/lifestyle/human-cannibalism-being-pushed-by-the-new-green-movement/

    … note the reference to “climate change”. Keep an eye out now for the coming “climate emergency”, alongside energy and food shortages and exciting new “pandemics” and Australia’s imminent “trusted digital identity” and “digital currency” – all part of the WEF’s push to grind us all down underfoot in the Great Reset.

    The only silver lining that I can see right now is Martin Armstrong’s assertion that the Great Reset will ultimately fail as the Western empire finally collapses – but we’ve got a rocky ride until all that pans out by sometime around 2032.

    Interestingly, that date corresponds with the expected solar minimum and commencement of what might develop into a “mini-ice-age” (or, if we’re unlucky, something not so “mini”).

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  349. JamesinNM says:

    Dr David E Martin provided proof the U.S. led the effort to develop and use Covid and the vaccines as bioweapons at the same time, with help from Canada, China and other nations. Racketeering, genocide, crimes against humanity!

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  350. @Rurik

    Ultimately, I have no idea how it is all going to pan out.

    FWIW, Martin Armstrong says his AI program Socrates is predicting that the Satanic Globalists will ultimately fail to achieve their Great Reset and New World Order. He publishes updates regularly at his web site [ armstrongeconomics.com ].

    That’s the good news. The bad news is that this nonsense and worse is going to keep going until sometime around 2032 (when the Western collapse will finally be complete). Mr. Armstrong is expecting an American civil war in 2023 and something approximating WWIII starting in 2024.

    All I know is the people in charge, the elites, either belong to an ancient tribe that hates our guts, and wants us all destroyed or enslaved, or are Gentiles who’re willing to go along with that program, out of self-interest, as they see it.

    Believe it – they are all Satanists, and they want to kill us. The Globalists fronted by Klaus Schwab and organised into the World Economic Forum have infested every Western nation on the planet. You can recognize the Globalists by their “graduation” from Klaus Schwab’s personal apprenticeship program, the “Young Global Leaders”.

    Bill Gates is a WEF “Young Global Leader”. So is just about every significant corporate, government and institutional personality all around the globe. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is one, New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is another, recent Australian Prime Minister and closet paedophile Scott Morrison is another, and so on and on and on.

    There are tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of them, entrenched in positions of power all over the planet. They are Globalists, they are Satanists, they want us all dead, and anyone who they don’t kill they want eating bugs or human flesh – and the surviving minority “will own nothing, and be happy”.

    Here’s just a hint of what we’re up against in Australia…

    https://www.australiannationalreview.com/state-of-affairs/australia-naming-young-global-leaders-other-australians-tied-to-the-world-economic-forum/

    Take heart – we are at war, but we have already won. We outnumber these vermin 10,000 to one, and people are already rising up against them. All that is required is people uniting with courage and determination to put a stop to this lunacy.

    Ultimately ,we just have to survive through the next 10 years and it will be smooth sailing beyond that.

  351. Yee says:
    @D. K.

    I could have looked through photos and vedios posted on Chinese Internet and find you images of children and elderies in the audience, who could not be volunteers. But why waste more time with you?

    • Replies: @D. K.
    , @Wizard of Oz
  352. @Ultrafart the Brave

    There is no denialist canard more pathetic than the ‘Grand Solar Minimum’ clap-trap. We been promised it for years, after the mini-minimum around 2000 and the subsequent denialist group dementia. We are in Solar Cycle 25, due to peak around July 2025 +/- eight months, a relatively weak cycle but less so than cycle 24, so far.
    Yet global average temperatures continue to rise, heat-waves spread around the world, heat records are broken, glaciers, permafrost and sea ice melt ever quicker and climate instability worsens. In fact climate modelers expect that even a solar minimum of the type that produced the Maunder and Dalton Minima would be outweighed by the forcing of greenhouse gas, but the denialist keep on maundering in their habitual manner, praying for an Ice Age so they can say ‘We won!’.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  353. @Wizard of Oz

    Your most deranged comment ever-and ain’t that saying a lot. Quick, let’s go out and buy some nano-thermite, strap it to a few columns, and bring it down, even though it was at NO risk of collapse. Time for the Sunset Village, Wizz. you can delight the old dames with tales of your rubbing shoulders with the grating and the good-for-nothing.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  354. D. K. says:
    @Yee

    Yes, indeed, why actually prove your point when you can just say that you could have proved your point and leave it at that?

  355. Iris says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    The World Trade Centre structure is well represented by this section schematic.

    The WTC construction went this way. The ground was stripped down to the bedrock, about 21 metres below street level, so the bedrock could be used to directly anchor the very tall and very heavy Twin Towers.

    All around this WTC footprint of roughly trapezoidal shape, was built a surrounding containment wall, a Slurry Wall, familiarly called the Bath Tub. It was meant at containing any water ingress from the nearby Hudson River.

    Into the solid bedrock were then drilled dozens of holes, in which the piles supporting the structures were then inserted and built upon to erect the Towers.
    It is the vertical bars you can see in the middle of the picture, making up a small square within a larger square. This represent the revolutionary “tube-within-a tube” structure used to build the Twin Towers.

    In addition to all theses dozens of holes, one spare hole was drilled and left empty, unnoticed under each Tower. And it remained empty until the morning of 9/11.

    When the Twin Towers were being designed in the mid-60’s, there was an international craze about peaceful nuclear explosions, which lasted long after until the mid 1970’s at least. They were banned only in 1996.

    https://www.ctbto.org/nuclear-testing/history-of-nuclear-testing/peaceful-nuclear-explosions/#:~:text=The%201976%20Peaceful%20Nuclear%20Explosions%20Treaty%2C%20negotiated%20and,by%20national%20technical%20means%2C%20and%20test%20site%20access.

    Nations were enthusiastic about how powerful nuclear explosions could accelerate the realisation of major civil works. At least 151 peaceful nuclear detonations were carried out for economic reasons, to create dams, oil & gas wells. In Sept 1963, President Kennedy was asked to approve the drilling of a 2nd Panama Canal using nuclear explosives.

    The biggest American investment in peaceful nuclear technology was Operation Plowshare, which ended in 1977, long after the Twin Towers had been completed.
    https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/operation-plowshare/
    http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph241/udit1/#:~:text=Source%3A%20Wikimedia%20Commons%29.%20Operation%20Plowshare%20was%20an%20initiative,tests%20that%20ran%20from%201961%20to%201973.%20

    In summary, when the WTC was under construction, nuclear energy was fashionable and positively looked at. As part of the planning application and mandated by building regulations, it was required to provide a demolition method. The embedded demolition method was to drill and provide an additional empty hole for future underground nuclear detonation.

    When WTC7, an official building under strict control, was constructed in the 1980’s, nuclear heads were stored underneath. WTC7 was linked to the Twin Towers by rail track tunnels, similar to the Subway “Path” tunnels to the left of picture. In this manner, the nuclear heads could be, in just minutes, delivered to the Twin Towers, lowered into the empty shafts, and detonated.

    And that’s it.

    There was no need for rigging: the demolition method was already in place, under WTC7, for all 3 Towers, ready to be used and quite safely managed for years under government control.

    But the US legalist authorities were somehow deceived and double-crossed by Silverstein and Mossad who, on the morning of 9/11, took control of the situation, overrun the embedded demolition scheme and demolished the Towers.

    … that might be a plausible explanation for what occurred, but IMO it’s really stretching the bounds of credibility because –

    The Wizard of Oz likes stretching the bounds of credibility and often falls within the comical range. Nothing is preposterous enough to defend his beloved Israel.
    These questions he asked many times, and were answered many times over. He just does not like the answers implicating his GloboZionist friends.

  356. @Iris

    Thanks for such a detailed explanation of those little-known aspects of 11/09/2001.

    I’m personally inclined to believe that demolition charges were placed in the twin towers, for no better reason than eye witness emergency responders claimed to have observed their sequenced detonation as the towers commenced collapsing. If so, then likely also in WTC7 seeing as how it’s destruction was clearly also “part of the plan” (recall that over-eager BBC reporter).

    It’s just that the Wizard’s proposal that the decision to plant such charges and demolish WTC7 was not taken until the morning of 11/09/2001 – and in reaction to the staged “attack”, not as an integral part of a pre-planned false flag – is difficult to entertain purely on the most basic physical principles. How can anyone rig out a 47 story building for controlled demolition in the space of just one hour? If such a feat was actually accomplished, it would have to be the most spectacular engineering achievement in the history of the world.

    The notion of controlled demolition of WTC7 using placed charges is entirely plausible, however, if the posited demolition teams had a few weeks beforehand to do their job.

    I don’t dispute the possibility that a few nukes played a part in the whole scheme – it was a meticulously orchestrated extravaganza, after all, and it was proably years in the planning. And those lakes of molten steel and insane temperatures in the rubble for weeks after definitely cry out for explanation.

    [MORE]

    The availability of the nuke option does open an avenue to argue that the decision was made to demolish all three towers in reaction to the unfolding events on the morning of 11/09/2001, and gives a plausible path out of the flase flag allegation.

    Nevertheless, I don’t buy that escape clause, for five reasons

    1. None of the buildings was actually at risk of collapse. No skyscraper or major concrete and steel structure before or since anywhere on Planet Earth has ever collapsed as a result of a fire, no matter how intense, and a couple of kerosene fires in the Twin Towers and a few office fires in WTC7 don’t even rate a mention in that regard. There was never any risk of the building structures failing or even being compromised, so there was no physical reason to demolish any of them. Granted, there were huge financial incentives and political motives to destroy the buildings under cover of a “terrorist attack” – but that’s another story entirely.

    2. Eyewitness reports of sequenced explosions travelling down the towers as they collapsed. Were explosive charges used exclusively to bring the towers down at freefall velocity in controlled demolitions, were they planted just for dramatic effect while nukes were used to accomplsh the actual destruction, or did the precision collapse of these enormous structures into their own footprints require augmentation of the primary nuclear blast with accessory placed charges at specific intervals down the tower structures? Who knows? Regardless, if demolition charges were pre-positioned in the towers as eyewitness reports suggest, then that speaks to preparations for destruction of the towers preceeding 11/09/2001 by at least days to weeks beforehand.

    3. The BBC girl just won’t go away. She declared the collapse of WTC7 in grave tones on live TV, while WTC7 was clearly still standing in all it’s glory, clearly visible in the background behind her. And then, surprise of surprises, a good while later WTC7 obligingly complied and collapsed at freefall velocity into its own footprint. Ergo, the events of 11/09/2001 were scripted – with major media being provided their talking pieces ahead of the unfolding events.

    4. The official narrative omits any mention of deliberate controlled demolition of any Manhattan building on 11/09/2001. In fact, officialdom has positively railed against any such suggestion. The official narrative insists that a couple of kerosene fires and a few office fires brought WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 down at freefall velocity into their own footprints. That’s the narrative, and they’re sticking with it. An admission that the buildings were deliberately demolished in a controlled manner speaks to orchestration, which points to a pre-planned false flag event.

    5. Synchronicity – there are so many other giveaways of an orchestrated false flag on 11/09/2001, at the Pentagon, in Philadelphia, just about everywhere, why leave Manhattan out of the party? What are the chances of obvious false flag operations in multiple other locations on 11/09/2001 (which in fact there were) while an actual bona-fide “terrorist attack” materialised in Manhattan, and Manhattan alone. Unlikely.

    In summary, and IMO – one way or another, the takedown of the thee WTC towers was deliberate, it was planned prior to 11/09/2001, and it was just one scripted element of an orchestrated false flag atrocity carried out by the American government (and it really doesn’t matter if it was just certain elements of that government – it was still the government that dunnit).

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Commentator Mike
  357. Just by the way, while we’re on the topic of the Russians accusing the Americans of creating and spreading Corona Chan around the world, it seems the pattern is repeating on the Korean Peninsula…

    https://www.rebelnews.com/kim_yo_jung_threatens_to_eradicate_south_korean_leaders_over_covid_19_transmission

    As for Kim Yo Jung – I like her! A bit of advice for all you misogynists out there – do not mess with this lady.

    I rather suspect Kim Yo Jung would take a shine to Mr. Unz if she happened to meet him (as an eccentric uncle figure, of course).

  358. @mulga mumblebrain

    There is no denialist canard more pathetic than the ‘Grand Solar Minimum’ clap-trap.

    … as sure as night follows day, like waving a red flag at a bull.

    How are things with you Mulga?

    We been promised it for years, after the mini-minimum around 2000 and the subsequent denialist group dementia.

    “We been promised” global warming (sorry, “climate change”) Armageddon for decades now.

    Still waiting.

    [MORE]

    BTW, got your solar power installed yet? You might be needing it in those cold winter months in the years ahead, seeing as how our new fake PM Anthony Albanese (AnAl for short – who the f*** voted for this clown anyway?) is determined to go full retard with the Great Reset and cut off our fuel and food supplies and lock us all down in whatever emergency he can dream up while pinning us to the wall with our “Trusted Digital Identity” and “Central Bank Digital Currency”.

    Noticed any “foot and mouth” outbreaks lately? Can you hear the buzzing of bees in your garden? Surely you haven’t caught the “deadly” gay Monkepox virus (or worse, got your injection)? It’s all part of the larger agenda.

    Anyway, back to the subject at hand…

    https://electroverse.co/

    That link is purely rhetorical for Mulga, folks. He’ll have a coronary seizure (not even “vaccine” related) if he even glances at that web site.

    For the intellectually honest forum browsers, however, that site is a goldmine of information on what’s actually happening around the world. It’s the Sun that’s calling the shots, and might actually be pivotal in the failure of the Satanic Globalists’ Great Reset – at least, Martin Armstrong says those psycopaths will ultimately be defeated by somewhere around that time (but be warned – a lot of collateral damage before then).

    Long story short – by 2030, we’ll on the cusp of another event like the Maunder Minimum or similar. Depending on what actual cycles (wheels within wheels) are synchronising, we could be in for a few decades of “mini ice-age”, or we could be in for something much worse.

    Best to start preparing, if you can.

    By the way Mulga, they’re not “fossil fuels” – they’re hydrocarbons, and for all practical (human) purposes, they will never run out. And by the way, plants need CO2, and are currently starving for it. Are you prepared to starve for your convictions? Are you ready to own nothing, and be happy? Crickets allegedly emit less CO2 than cows, and creepy Bill has invested billions into killing off the global cattle herds and making crickets and maggots into burgers for us, but I think I’ll stick with beef.

    There is this thing called a “paradigm”…

    Just saying.

  359. Iris says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I’m personally inclined to believe that demolition charges were placed in the twin towers, for no better reason than eye witness emergency responders claimed to have observed

    Of course they were !!! Not only there are dozens of firemen testimonies about these earlier explosions. There also exist videos of people who fled a Twin Tower in a rush, covered in dust from explosions, before this Tower collapsed.

    So it is obvious that there were multiple explosions before the collapse, which had nothing to do with the main, and last, nuclear explosion that caused the final demolition.

    The earlier conventional explosions were made to stage, first the “plane” impacts, second the “raging office fires”. The later nuclear explosion was made to demolish the Towers.

    3. The BBC girl just won’t go away.

    Yes, but people repeating this conflate the cause with the consequence.

    What the BBC journalist said only matters to the naïve and the trolls who still believe or pretend, respectively, that WTC7 came down “because of office fires”. It did not. Thanks to the University of Alaska WTC7 report, this is now a closed case: WTC7 came down by controlled demolition, period.

    So the BBC journalist was not even an insider, and there is nothing strange in her report: she was merely repeating what the Silverstein party, including the Firemen Officer, had been saying nearby. That WTC7 was too damaged, that it would collapse anyway, that they had to make it collapse, or that they had to pull out the firemen team before it collapsed.

    There are two different interpretations of Silverstein notorious and revealing “Pull it” phrase, but either way, whether he meant pulling down WTC7, or pulling out the firemen, he was the one with foreknowledge. Not the BBC journalist who was just repeating like a parrot what Silverstein’s party was saying. So it is Silverstein one should focus on. Not the BBC “clairvoyant”.

  360. @Yee

    That children couldn’t be volunteers is a legal truism of no importance. If you want spectators who haven’t paid and are less likely to be able and willing to complain you would welcome the ignorance which allowed children to be brought there. Some smart organisers might even have said “here’s a great opportunity for those who couldn’t ordinarily afford to see high class sports to take the place of playing customers who are being excluded on high precautionary health grounds. Come and enjoy!”

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  361. Von Rho says:

    Russia at the beginning of the pandemic did the right thing: closed borders, developed a vaccine and, above all, never believed in chloroquine, unlike Trump, induced by other Trojan horses and idiots of the Western right (this site is full of them). This last item made the difference between the leadership of the Western right and that of Russia. Unfortunately, Russia always changes course suddenly when it starts to take off. The sinking of Sputnik V and the Ukrainian trap signaled the end of Russia. China is worse, as the narrow-minded animist mindset (and consequently a greedy, materialistic worldview) of its leadership will cause a collapse. The West is invincible.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  362. @Ron Unz

    As you know I am not particularly disposed to giving support to your theory but I do suggest that it would have slightly more weight if it included the likelihood that Trump was involved enough to add a layer or two of protection to malefactors close to him, if only by blackmailing proof that he knew about it (even though, which was intended, and the point of it) he didn’t register the significance of what was being said.

    How would one go about it? Lots of conditional expressions, but all recorded, fogging up the plain fact that someone said something seriously difficult to explain, maybe divided up a little into bit references to “the Wuhan project” and “our little bio enterprise” and much more to confuse and divert the Trump brain but also have him, ideally, approving something enthusiastically. I wonder if you or anyone can think of a perfect neat version.

    A nice wrap up might have been “Well Mr President the important thing is to keep up the pressure on the Chinese with any references to lab leaks being to them …… ”

    • Replies: @A123
  363. @Iris

    Good to see you knocking all those silly trollish references to the BBC reporter. BTW, if it was decided in early afternoon that WTC7 might have to be brought down safely, how difficult would it be to improvise approximately the right charge of conventional demolition explosive in an hour or so?

    • Replies: @Iris
  364. @Iris

    What the BBC journalist said only matters to the naïve and the trolls who still believe or pretend, respectively, that WTC7 came down “because of office fires”.

    Notwithstanding your useful contribution to understanding the events of 11/09/2001, I believe your logic on this particular matter is deficient.

    What the BBC journalist said matters specifically to those who do not accept that a few office fires caused WTC7 to collapse vertically at freefall velocity into its own footprint.

    Whether or not the girl and her BBC handlers were in on the scam, or just reporting what Silverstein had already said – given that a few office fires were never going to bring down a 47 story tower – her report of the event as a fact before the actual collapse took place confirms the intention to make it happen.

    And that intentional demolition continues to be scrupulously denied by officialdom even now, over 20 years later. So they made the decision to destroy WTC7 (and WTC1 & 2) and then did the deed in plain sight for all the world to see, but they adamantly refuse to admit it.

    But they just can’t make that BBC reporter disappear. They actually tried, but failed.

    Irrespective of any of that, the government dunnit, and the Middle East has been a disaster ever since because of it. No wonder those Israelis were dancing.

    Just saying.

  365. @Ultrafart the Brave

    They wanted the collapses to look as spectacular as possible in order to justify their wars. The real damage plane crashes cause wouldn’t have been enough.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
  366. @Iris

    But where would they have tested nuclear demolition of buildings before actually applying it on WTC? Would underground explosions and modelling really have been enough for them to plan the nuclear demolition? Normally one does a pilot test study somewhere first just to see how it works. To try something like that for a first time in an overcrowded megalopolis like New York City seems unlikely. But the high temperatures and long term molten metal need some explanation.

    • Replies: @Iris
  367. @Von Rho

    It’s not ‘chloroquine’ you buffoon, but hydroxychloroquine, with azithromycin and zinc (it’s called a ‘treatment protocol’)that works very well. For a moronic ignoramus, you are particularly arrogant in a nasty, but familiar, racist and deluded fashion. And you have the gall to call others ‘Rightists’.

  368. @Wizard of Oz

    What twisted psyche you possess, Wizz. Casuistry at its most base. Whether ‘Jesuitic’ or ‘Talmudic’ we may never know.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  369. @Ultrafart the Brave

    Yes, I have solar and burn my own wood. There will be no ‘Grand Solar Minimum’ and even if it was of Maunder or Dalton size, the greenhouse gas forcing will minimise any impact. Even a mega-volcano on the scale of Tambora will only reduce temperatures marginally for a few years (while exacerbating the real killer, climate instability)and a Toba or Taupo or Yellowstone level blast and we’re all rooted.
    As a simple-minded fanatic, you have a simple-minded understanding of the climate cataclysm. It is not just warming that will kill us, but the end of the relative climate stability of the Holocene, which allowed human ‘civilization’ to grow. With only the very beginnings of climate instability we are already seeing massive effects on agriculture and animal husbandry. And that will only get worse.
    Moreover, the brief Anthropocene seems already to have been superseded by a Pyrocene of global burning. As droughts lengthen and deepen, temperature maxima soar and winds become stronger, wildfires will rage, a positive feedback, too, to further greenhouse gas induced warming. You also seem, like all your death-cultists do, to not be capable of comprehending the worst aspect of this climate Holocaust-its rapidity.
    At times in the past where the climate warmed, such as in the PETM 55 million years ago, the process occurred one to two orders of magnitude more slowly, ie over centuries and millennia, not in decades, as now. That gave plants and animals some time to adapt and find new habitable niches, unlike now where the rapidity of change ensures a mass extinction, including you, I’m afraid. Furthermore, only a paranoid, brainwashed, Rightwing cretin rejects the reality because the global parasite class are seeking to benefit from it. They seek to squeeze blood from every stone, you buffoon.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  370. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I am intrigued by the eccentric Cap Allon’s Electroverse emails but really draws attention to unexpectedly cold weather, not to the excep exceptionally hot weather (and droughts and fires) in other parts of the world at the same time. Thus, while he seems to have been eased to draw attention to southern Australia’s very cold weather thus winter, and it’s best snow for skiing since 1968, he makes no mention of, let alone explains, the UK suffering drought and recording its highest temperatures ever. He vaguely cites Svensmark to support his view of the sun as key but doesn’t take note of any case that Svensmark’s work has been debunked because his theory simply couldn’t explain the magnitude of recent changes.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  371. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I’m not positively affirming that WTC7 was demolished, merely trying to make sense of such an occurrence. But it appears to be wrong to find a motive for Silverstein in the assurance as my previous searches satisfied me that
    (a) he hadn’t upped his insurance on WTC7 when he was insuring WTtC1 and 2 a couple of months before 9/1. (b) And he was only insuring 1 and 2 to comply with his financiers requirements.

    Some people have tried to make something about allegedly unusual and relevant terms of the Twin Towers insurance. E g. some special provision in case of terrorist attack. Not a problem. If you were an insurance broker paid on commission wouldn’t you remind Silverstein of the 1993 attack on the great symbols of American capitalism?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  372. @mulga mumblebrain

    I have posted this link before but it doesn’t seem to have been part of your education given your dogmatic enthusiasm for controlled demolition.

    Answer to What really caused the collapse of the Twin Towers according to science? by Louis Vaught https://www.quora.com/What-really-caused-the-collapse-of-the-Twin-Towers-according-to-science/answer/Louis-Vaught?ch=8&oid=309776030&share

    What’s wrong with it in your expert opinion? And, why didn’t Robertson, the structural engineer responsible for the WTC take the opportunity to blame the collapses on demolitions instead if inadequate protection against fire when he gave his version in the New Yorker late in 2001?

  373. A123 says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    would have slightly more weight if it included the likelihood that Trump was involved enough to add a layer or two of protection to malefactors close to him

    What you suggest is not feasible. As bad as the U.S. system is — There are some things that cannot be greyed, fudged, nodded, or winked. A first strike with a WMD (biologic) on a foreign nation is one of those few things. It could start WW III and end with an exchange of WMD (nuclear).

    Also critical:
        • MAGA was winning versus the CCP.
        • Trump was cruising to a 2nd term.

    If Mr. Unz wants to make his case more compelling, he needs the opposite of what you suggest. Traitors to America, criminal Leftoids, have the requisite motivation. They are the only faction desperate enough to even consider something this manifestly reckless.

    Openly attributing COVID-19 as an Attack *ON* America, not one by America, would be both more interesting and more accurate as a headline. If this was malice rather than a lab leak, the intent of the conspiracy has to be, at least in part, derailing the MAGA Train inexorably rolling down the tracks to crush SJW Globalism.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  374. Iris says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Would underground explosions and modelling really have been enough for them to plan the nuclear demolition?

    Yes, it would, absolutely.

    The phenomenology of underground nuclear detonations has been well known and modelised at least since the 1950’s. The USA only have officially carried 815 such tests. So that’s an enormous amount of experimentation.
    Below is a photo of the Nevada testing site: each subsidence crater represents one detonation.
    Not only plenty of experimental data was available to predict the destruction scheme of a high-rise building, but this destruction mechanism had also been translated into equations, so it was easy to design for expert engineers.
    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Constructive-Uses-of-Nuclear-Explosives-Teller-Talley/848973137cfc96947fef16d3a8416c29a0e1263a

    This destruction mechanism was described in page 34 of Pr Roby’s study:

    4.2.1 General mechanism

    As stated above, an underground nuclear explosion creates a tremendous shock wave that is able to shatter every material and turn it into tiny pieces or larger chunks depending on the distance from point zero, up to some limit where the wave will have only elastic and non-destructive behaviour.

    This is the main feature that can explain why it can be used to collapse buildings, even steel-framed ones like skyscrapers, provided that the nuclear explosive is placed at the right depth underneath the building in order to create a subsidence crater at ground level that triggers the collapse.

    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-02004696v3/document

    Based on nuclear theory, he also explains why the demolition of a building can be actually facilitated by its height, because its extremity can reflect the destructive pressure shockwave:

    However, to some extent, the structure of the building itself might act as a “waveguide” and produce a peak stress at the top higher than it would be for the same traveling distance in a homogeneous and isotropic material; furthermore, as explained above, reflection of the wave at the top produces a tension wave which negative pressure is more effective at breaking materials.

    All these facts were already known at the time the WTC was being designed.
    Just like the Towers were modelised to be erected and to withstand the static and dynamic constraints within their environment, they could also be modelised to be demolished by a nuclear pressure shockwave.

  375. Iris says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    BTW, if it was decided in early afternoon that WTC7 might have to be brought down safely, how difficult would it be to improvise approximately the right charge of conventional demolition explosive in an hour or so?

    It would have been impossible, Wizard.

    After the Towers were allegedly hit by “planes”, people, journalists official and unofficial in particular, started filming inside the WTC.
    There exists at least two footages taken inside WTC7 after the collapse of the Twin Towers, and WTC7 was empty, apart for SS agent Mr Benette, filmed here by a CBS news journo wearing a protective mask against bio / nuclear / chemical hazards.

    A second and undisputable testimony on the state of WTC7 was provided by Mr Barry Jennings, working for the Port Authority. Alongside his colleague Mr Michael Hess, they entered the WTC7, found it completely empty, and were trapped inside when the demolition of the North Tower caused the collapse of WTC7 internal staircase.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Barry_Jennings

    Both men had to be rescued/extracted by the firemen from an 8th floor window (Mr Hess photographed below). Their fate is recorded in the official NIST videos.

    So, in summary:
    – WTC7 was filmed on that fateful days and it remained mostly empty of people.
    – At the destruction of the North Tower at 10:28, WTC7 internal staircase collapsed, with no access between the ground and 8th floor. So there was no way to access enough structural nodes of the 47-floors structure to conceitedly rig them from the inside.

    So apart from using invisible abseiling explosive technicians, there is no way WTC7 could have been rigged up with explosives after 10:28.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  376. incitatus says:
    @Iris

    “When WTC7, an official building under strict control, was constructed in the 1980’s, nuclear heads were stored underneath.”

    Indeed, Iris (594,300 words in 3,611 comments since 2016 – you have been busy! Hope you’re paid well).

    Why not be totally honest and admit Ivan IV Vasilyevich (Ива́н Васи́льевич: Ivan the Terrible 1530-1584) invented nuclear weapons and buried them under The Cathedral of the Archangel [Архангельский собор]? Are you modest?

    Of course thats an exaggeration. But Iris, don’t you agree Stalin invented the first atomic weapon? Be honest.

    “The Wizard of Oz likes stretching the bounds of credibility and often falls within the comical range.”

    If that’s true, you can’t blame him. He’s only following your example.

    But, of course your groomed potential convert now is ‘Ultrafart the Brave” (231,800 words in 1,293 comments from 2015). Should be a ‘slam-dunk’, nicht wahr? Pucker-up UtB!

    I’d ask what you expect by planting fraudulent calumny, but what’s the point? You have no clue about architecture, engineering, construction, NYC building codes or WTC. What – seriously – do you hope to accomplish? Are your posts a grudge match? Payback for someone you don’t like? Or just an attempt to make yourself feel important?

    In any case, love your persistence. Hope you’re well paid.

    Stay well Iris.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Ultrafart the Brave
  377. Iris says:

    Larry Silverstein designed the new WTC7 one year before the WTC terrorist attack.

    Larry Silverstein “pull it” order about WTC7 is not his only “slip of the tongue”.

    When talking about the new WTC 7 during a speech in Israel, he told the audience:
    The first design meeting was in April of 2000, and construction began shortly there after in 2002”.

    After 9/11, the WTC 7 footprint was the first demolition site to be cleaned up for reconstruction. The construction of the new WTC7 started indeed in 2002 as per his speech. It is difficult to believe that Silverstein made a confusion with the dates:

    -He was very precise, mentioning both a month and a year (April 2000)
    -If he meant April 2001, than this is still proof of foreknowledge.
    -He could not have meant April 2002 because that is when the construction works actually began.

    Although Silverstein owned the lease of the original WTC7, the building was always under-exploited and suffered from a chronic lack of tenants. If not for its destruction by the 9/11 terror attack, there would have been neither reason, nor means to plan for re-building it.
    So this declaration is yet another materialisation of the power of Silverstein’s crystal ball; the man must be a medium able to read terrorists’ minds.

    This other proof of foreknowledge was reported by VT and by MintPress.
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
  378. Iris says:
    @incitatus

    What – seriously – do you hope to accomplish?

    You’re a pompous cretin, like your tribal cousin the (((exquisite intellectual))) Fran Taubman, probably passing you tabs on commenters who don’t give two hoots about degenerates like you. She too, seemed convinced I was trying to achieve something because of the application I put in my comments.

    The explanation is much more simple, cretin. English is only my working language. I absolutely needed to improve and maintain my written English for professional reasons, and regularly interacting with real native English-speakers wonderfully does the job. Cretin.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  379. @Iris

    Cretin.

    Interesting choice of words…

    cretin

    krēt′n

    noun

    1. A person afflicted with cretinism.

    2. A person considered to be foolish or unintelligent.

    3. One of a numerous class of deformed idiots found in certain valleys of the Alps and elsewhere; one afflicted with cretinism.

    A comprehensive capture of the full range of possibilities – well chosen.

    I would have just said “moron”…

    moron

    môr′ŏn″

    noun

    1. A person who is considered foolish or stupid.

    2. A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

    3. A variety of salamander.

  380. @A123

    Thanks but…… You have not quite grasped what I was suggesting to Ron merely as a possible hypothesis, assuming his theory is basically correct. I merely supposed that clever plotters may have compromised Trump while relying on his brain fog notto have noticed until too late.

  381. @Wizard of Oz

    I am intrigued by the eccentric Cap Allon’s Electroverse emails but really draws attention to unexpectedly cold weather, not to the excep exceptionally hot weather (and droughts and fires) in other parts of the world at the same time.

    The entire subject is exccedingly interesting from an academic perspective, but at the end of the day one hopefully will arrive at an accurate assessment of what’s really going on – simply because for every living creature on the planet, this is a potentially existential issue.

    FWIW, I personally ditched any regard for the “Global Warming” mantra a long time ago. Several decades of dire threats of a fiery apocalypse and global flooding with a never-ending shifting of failed targets to a nearby future always so enticingly imminent, really started to epitomise “the boy who cried wolf” for me. And they kept changing the narrative to fit their failures, ultimately rebranding the threat from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”. And now it seems the Globalists have integrated the “Climate Change” narrative into their “emergency” playbook as well, the better to herd the useless eaters (or was it always part of their scheme, right from the start?).

    But that’s just me.

    As regards climatic anomalies around the globe – ie, some places unusually hot at the same time as others are unusually cold – just dismissing it as “variability” might satisfy some people, but the scientists predicting a mini-ice age over the next few decades do account for such craziness in the Northern Hemisphere due to the jet streams becoming unstable and undulating to extremes – dragging the cold weather way south in some regions and sucking it way north in others.

    The details probably don’t matter too much in forming a view of things – how many weather forecasters get their regional outlook right beyond a few days, let alone months or years ahead? The long-term patterns are more important IMO. The record of warm periods interrupted by ice ages go back for millennia, and even some little ones have happened just over the last few centuries.

    However it actually pans out, we should be in no doubt by 2030. One way or another, irrespective of the weather outlook, as circumstances are now developing in the political arena, it’s likely a good idea to aim for personal food and energy security over the next few years.

  382. @Wizard of Oz

    I’m not positively affirming that WTC7 was demolished, merely trying to make sense of such an occurrence.

    I agree – everything is opaque in the context of an official narrative with holes big enough to drive an aircraft carrier through.

    IMO the collapse of WTC7 had the visual appearance of a controlled demolition – in any case an impossible event from just a few office fires. BUT a controlled demolition of a building of that size would take even an expert team days to weeks to set up and execute.

    That’s what has informed my opinion on the subject to this point – someone put a lot of planning and effort into the Manhattan events, well before 11/09/2001. Of course, that accords with all the other fishy details associated with “attacks” around the USA on that day.

    Iris’ contributions on the nuclear demolition plans for the WTC complex put a new perspective on the collapses for me. It still appears to me that demolition charges were placed in all three towers – eye witness accounts attest to this. The possible (likely?) use of nukes in the destruction of the buildings does shine new light on those lakes of molten metal and other anomalies left in all the rubble – which the authorites made damn sure wasn’t left lying around for any forensic analysis.

  383. @mulga mumblebrain

    At times in the past where the climate warmed…

    … you forgot to mention times in the past when the climate cooled.

    That happened pretty fast too in places – or so a Mammoth is reputed to have said.

    Furthermore, only a paranoid, brainwashed, Rightwing cretin rejects the reality because the global parasite class are seeking to benefit from it. They seek to squeeze blood from every stone, you buffoon.

    Then surely we should be giving priority to eliminating that threat – the near and present danger to 90% of the planet’s population at the hands of a bunch of psycopaths?

    That’s where I’m focussing my attention – that, and keeping warm and fed over the coming years.

    BTW, good that you’ve got your solar power done…

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-08-12-world-governments-are-preparing-for-an-extinction-level-event-ele-cdc-reverses-itself.html

  384. @incitatus

    Ah, Incitatus, ever ready to interject with the sole object to incite some mayhem.

    I’m flattered, truly I am, that you thought to mention me in your spiel…

    But, of course your groomed potential convert now is ‘Ultrafart the Brave” (231,800 words in 1,293 comments from 2015).

    Thanks for the effort – I was only just now wondering.

    Speaking of grooming – shouldn’t you be somewhere in Ukraine right about now? Quotas to meet, ladders to climb, etc.

    In any case, don’t quit your day job. After all, times are hard in the pay-per-post game.

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