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  1. Tried to post this to the NewsLinks, but I’m not in the club… maybe someone who is can post it.

    https://www.abajournal.com/news/article/doj-lawyer-argues-us-can-kill-its-own-citizens-without-review-when-state-secrets-are-involved

    US can kill its own citizens without review when state secrets are involved, DOJ lawyer argues

    A U.S. Department of Justice lawyer argued Monday that the United States can kill its own citizens without judicial review when litigation would reveal state secrets.

    • Agree: Lot
  2. https://www.state.gov/secretary-michael-r-pompeo-and-israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu/

    Today I want to make one announcement with respect to a decision by the State Department that we will regard the global anti-Israel BDS campaign as anti-Semitic. I know this sounds simple to you, Mr. Prime Minister, it seems – it seems like a statement of fact, but I want you to know that we will immediately take steps to identify organizations that engage in hateful BDS conduct, and withdraw US government support for such groups. The time is right.

    Anyone here think that, once Biden takes office, he’ll do anything to change any anti-BDS policy Team Trump decrees before relinquishing the throne?

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Art
    , @OutsideMan
  3. bjondo says:

    Eyes even slightly open can see there was massive election fraud.

    Electors will be disgusted.

    Minimum 435 vote Trump.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  4. bjondo says:

    Needed for 2021:

    Truth and Revenge Commissions, correction,
    Truth and Justice Commissions for govt
    officials and shadowy individuals responsible
    for suicides, lost businesses, life interruption, violence,
    election fraud.

    5 dancing shlomos

  5. @bjondo

    ‘…Minimum 435 vote Trump.’

    And the lion should lie down with the lamb. However…

  6. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    Anyone here think that, once Biden takes office, he’ll do anything to change any anti-BDS policy Team Trump decrees before relinquishing the throne?

    Netanyahu will be aggressive – he will humiliate Biden in the world’s eyes.

    Netanyahu will do something egregious, like kill many people, that will embarrass America. Then he will demand that Biden back him with a UN veto. Biden will capitulate knowing that he is helpless against Big Jew power and money. Biden and the world will know who is the boss man!

    Count on something like that happening.

  7. @Art

    Art keep up with the times. Forget BDS. Make your 2021 Passover reservations in Dubai

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/meir-soloveichik/abraham-accords-jewish-perspective

    The premise of the Oslo Accords of 1993 had been that Israel had to “take risks” for peace, that only an Israel that was willing to make itself weaker could reach an agreement with the Palestinians, and that only peace with the Palestinians would allow for normalization with the Arab world. Israelis soured on these risks when what followed was not peace, but bus bombings and cafe massacres. Now, in a region terrified of Iran, it is not Israeli weakness but strength that makes it so attractive, and an agreement with the Palestinians has been deemed unnecessary for normalization with other Arab countries.
    The achievement is not only political in nature. Right before the accord signings, the president’s adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner presented the king of Bahrain with a Torah scroll. As the Israeli journalist David Horovitz put it, the moment was “tender and moving—with the gazes of both men focused on the velvet-covered scroll rather than each other, respectful of it.” Strikingly, the verse cited by Netanyahu is sung in synagogue every Sabbath as the Torah is returned to the Ark, hinting thereby that what is occurring is religious rapprochement, an embrace by two Islamic countries of the world’s center of Judaism. Israel has a cold peace with Egypt and Jordan, but nowhere in these countries is Judaism flourishing. In contrast, the Abraham Accords were followed by shofar soundings and sukkahs in Dubai, and the crown prince of the UAE insisted that he hoped to see Passover programs filling hotels in the Emirates.

    It was a reminder that even amid our caustic politics and trials, we still live in an age of wonder of which our ancestors could only have dreamed, and that in such an age it was not unreasonable to have hope in the year to come—perhaps even more wondrous things than Passover programs in the United Arab Emirates will happen next year in Jerusalem.

    • Thanks: Lot
  8. bjondo says:

    Wear hazmat suit to be safe.

    Something goin’ on here what it is is exactly clear:

    Italian media forget about guy in the background as they prepare propaganda video to brainwash the masses with

    https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/italian-media-forget-about-guy-in-the-background-as-they-prepare-propaganda-video-to-brainwash-the-masses-with/

  9. Thanks to Priss Factor via Aggregated News links:

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/BkI4LsHqw

    Lawyers for convicted spy Jonathan Pollard, released after serving a 30 year sentence said his parole has ended and will not be renewed by the Department of Justice.
    Pollard could now leave the United States and travel to Israel.

    What a wonderful gesture by our beloved “lame duck” administration.

    • Replies: @Art
  10. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    Pollard could now leave the United States and travel to Israel.

    Oh dear — major defeat for the Zionists — no pardon!

    The suffering – the suffering — when will the hate for the Jews end?

    (good riddance)

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  11. https://cryptome.org/jya/traitor.htm

    Pollard, these officials told me, had done far more damage to American national security than was ever made known to the public; for example, he betrayed elements of four major American intelligence systems.

    Good piece by Seymour Hersh. Pollard should have been executed long ago.

    • Agree: Miro23, JimDandy
    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  12. @Art

    ‘Netanyahu will be aggressive – he will humiliate Biden in the world’s eyes…’

    I imagine Biden will accomplish that on his own.

    • LOL: Talha, AnonStarter
  13. @Art

    ‘Pollard could now leave the United States and travel to Israel…’

    Is there any way we could refuse when he changes his mind and wants to come back?

  14. @AnonStarter

    ‘Good piece by Seymour Hersh. Pollard should have been executed long ago.’

    It’s thoughtcrime, but I can’t help reflecting on something.

    Given the heavy Jewish over-representation among Stalin-era spies for the Soviet Union, what do you think the proportion of Jews is among those who have betrayed the United States to its enemies?

    Fifty percent?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  15. @AnonStarter

    ‘Good piece by Seymour Hersh. Pollard should have been executed long ago.’

    I decided to check.

    Sho ’nuff. Wikipedia has a fairly long entry for Seymour Hersh — that omits any reference to his Pollard story.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  16. Just chiming in on the election fraud.

    This is a long way from over. We’ve never witnessed such a sprawling, evil propaganda machine as this. Not since the birth of the Republic.

    It seems these sinister forces will stop at nothing, and I hope you think through what that means for every one of us.

  17. @OutsideMan

    The case demonstrates the government is already doing so.

    I recall a number of clearly retaliatory strikes against non-compliant media. The deep state does not want the views of al-qaeda made public because that removes their narrative control.

    That’s what this guy was doing, among other things.

    The government is refusing to acknowledge they are doing so, but arguing that they have the right. So if they believe they have the right – are you telling me they are not exercising it? Duh.

  18. @Colin Wright

    Fifty percent?

    Good question.

    And thank you, Mr. Unz, for a new Open Thread.

  19. @Colin Wright

    Sho ’nuff. Wikipedia has a fairly long entry for Seymour Hersh — that omits any reference to his Pollard story.

    But … That’s hard to believe.

    I mean, Fran and Aaron assure us that Wikipedia is the authority for all kinds of information, from Israel never initiating war against Palestinians to Israel mistakenly assaulting the USS Liberty to Israel’s renowned history of generous peace proposals.

    What is the world coming to?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Talha
  20. meamjojo says:

    The Blizzard of Bogus Journalism on Covid
    Jeffrey A. Tucker
    – November 20, 2020 Reading Time: 6 minutes

    This game of hunt-and-kill Covid cases has reached peak absurdity, especially in media culture.

    Take a look at Supermarkets are the most common place to catch Covid, new data reveals. It’s a story on a “study” assembled by Public Health England (PHE) from the NHS Test and Trace App. Here is the conclusion. In the six days of November studied, “of those who tested positive, it was found that 18.3 per cent had visited a supermarket.”

    Now, if the alarm bells don’t go off with that one, you didn’t pay attention to 7th grade science. If the app had also included showering, eating, and breathing, it might have found a 100% correlation. Yes, the people who tested positive probably did shop, as do most people. That doesn’t mean that shopping gives you Covid and it certainly doesn’t mean that shopping kills you.
    ….
    https://www.aier.org/article/the-blizzard-of-bogus-journalism-on-covid/

  21. …and everything will be under control in the Middle East.

    Biden’s proposed Secretary of State is a Jew, Anthony Blinken. He assures us there will be no constraints on Israel’s behavior at all:

    ‘…On June 17, 2020, Blinken said that Biden “would not tie military assistance to Israel to things like annexation or other decisions by the Israeli government with which we might disagree.”‘

    I’d say the power relationship here has certainly been clarified. We’re the cow. Israel milks us. Be a good cow. Say ‘moo.’

  22. meamjojo says:

    FACT: People should NOT wear masks while exercising

    People should NOT wear masks when exercising, as masks may reduce the ability to breathe comfortably.

    Sweat can make the mask become wet more quickly which makes it difficult to breathe and promotes the growth of microorganisms. The important preventive measure during exercise is to maintain physical distance of at least one meter from others.

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  23. Ron Unz says:
    @AnonStarter

    Sho ’nuff. Wikipedia has a fairly long entry for Seymour Hersh — that omits any reference to his Pollard story.

    But … That’s hard to believe.

    I mean, Fran and Aaron assure us that Wikipedia is the authority for all kinds of information, from Israel never initiating war against Palestinians to Israel mistakenly assaulting the USS Liberty to Israel’s renowned history of generous peace proposals.

    I just happened to come across another extreme example of Wikipedia’s “unreliability”…

    As you might remember, my recent long article on white racialism noted that Prof. Kevin MacDonald’s very long Wikipedia entry describes him as “active in the American neo-Nazi movement,” an entirely unsourced claim that I find very doubtful. But I recently came across an even more striking inverse situation.

    I was reading a 1943 book by an “anti-Nazi” spy, apparently working for the ADL or some similar organization. Among the Nazi agents he denounces and attacks was Laura Ingalls, the famed author of the Little House on the Prairie books that became a very popular TV series.

    I’d vaguely recalled that Ingalls had been a strong libertarian and “Isolationist” associated with Lindbergh’s America First Committee, but “Nazi agent” seemed a bit much. However, the claims were very specific and detailed, including that she’d actually been convicted and sent to prison for illegal pro-Nazi activity.

    Her Wikipedia entry is fairly long and detailed, running almost 5,000 words, but the word “Nazi” is nowhere to be found, nor any mention of a prison sentence. I wondered whether the 1943 book was just total lunacy. But how could a book published in 1943 be so factually wrong about contemporaneous events?

    So I Googled “Laura Ingalls Nazi” and sure enough found several seemingly credible articles describing in detail how she was an ardent supporter of Nazi Germany, regularly gave the Hitler salute, and was arrested as an unregistered foreign agent for taking German money for her pro-Nazi activities without properly disclosing it. Therefore, she was tried and convicted in court and spent 18 months in federal prison, unsuccessfully seeking an official pardon for decades after she was released:

    https://medium.com/@danny_glover/the-aviatrix-whose-name-lives-in-infamy-a219ad658d8d

    https://oddtruths.com/history/laura-ingalls-a-nazi-agent/

    https://talesanecdotesandtrivia.blogspot.com/2013/08/laura-ingalls-was-nazi-spy.html

    There’s even a NYT article describing her arrest in December 1941, though the text doesn’t seem to be available:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1941/12/19/archives/laura-ingalls-held-as-reich-agent-flier-says-she-was-antinazi-spy.html

    It’s really quite remarkable how a prominent public celebrity and author who spent 1 1/2 years in federal prison as a convicted Nazi agent during World War II has absolutely no mention of that intriguing fact in her very extensive Wikipedia entry…

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Bumpkin
    , @Colin Wright
  24. Bumpkin says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s because the author is Laura Ingalls Wilder, born 1867, whereas the Laura Ingalls who went to jail was her distant cousin born in 1893.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. @AnonStarter

    Not a chance. That’s the way the good cop/bad cop so-called two party, but in reality the uniparty* works: ‘Team Red’ takes the heat to advance the overall agenda item of the (((cabal))) and ‘Team Blue’ protects their left flank. Next time they’ll reverse roles on some other agenda item.

    *Caveat – with the exception of Woke SJW Identity issues.

  26. @Ron Unz

    You’ll hate me, Ron…

    It was a different Laura Ingalls who was the Nazi spy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Ingalls_(aviator)

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  27. So…Biden’s proposed Secretary of State and his proposed Secretary of Homeland Security are both Jews.

    And of course Biden’s proposed Chief of Staff is Jewish.

    I wouldn’t mind being wrong, but here’s what I think a Biden administration will look like.

    There’ll be the senile gentile white figurehead, a bunch of pseudo-black tools, a token Chinese and a token Hispanic — and four or five Jews running things.

    As I say, I wouldn’t mind being wrong.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  28. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Fran and Aaron assure us that Wikipedia is the authority for all kinds of information

    I kid you not, my son is in 8th grade and he is not allowed to cite Wikipedia as a source in his papers.

    What is the world coming to?

    Don’t know…sometimes it’s fun to sit back and enjoy at least the entertainment value:

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  29. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’ll hate me, Ron…

    It was a different Laura Ingalls who was the Nazi spy.

    Not at all! I’m very grateful to you and the other commenter for both catching my mistake. The Wikipedia omission seemed so shocking I’d been thinking of using it as a major piece of a new article, and I’m glad the sharp commenters here pointed out my mistake before I’d wasted any time on it.

    “Laura Ingalls” seemed like a pretty unusual name to me, and I’d just never imagined that there could be two of them, (very) rough contemporaries, both reasonably prominent public figures involved with the America First Movement.

    A similar case that really surprised me a dozen years ago when I was building my content-archive was the existence of another “Winston Churchill,” almost exactly the same age as the British Prime Minister and one of America’s leading novelists. I’ll bet almost no one is aware of his existence these days, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he was “disappeared” partly because of the confusion in names.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  30. @Ron Unz

    There’s another ‘Colin Wright’ running around out there — and he apparently also has right wing views and also expresses them prolifically. I’ve even been congratulated for his articles.

    I can handle random Colin Wrights — ones apparently identical to me are a bit unnerving.

    On the bright side, if he’s really identical, I can retire from the field and let him fight the good fight.

    • LOL: Talha
  31. @Talha

    I kid you not, my son is in 8th grade and he is not allowed to cite Wikipedia as a source in his papers.

    Thank God for that.

    Here’s a sample excerpt from the WP Talk Page for “History of the Jews under Muslim rule”:

    Under the section titled “Middle Ages” the following citation errors exist:

    “In North Africa, there were cases of violence against Jews in the Middle Ages,[14] and in other Arab lands including Egypt,[15] Syria.[16]”

    * The links for 14, 15, and 16 lead to pages that speak nothing of the treatment of Jews in Muslim lands during the Middle Ages; therefore, they have no relevance to the section. Unless reliable sources can be provided, I want to remove this section.

    * Also, all 3 citations use jewishvirtuallibrary.org. More citation variety in evidencing and legitimizing the statement’s point would be ideal, but at the very least, as expressed above, the citations should be replaced with relevant sources that discuss Jews in Muslim lands during Middle Ages.

    “In 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in an offensive manner. The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.[22][23]”

    * The source for 23 has been removed, therefore, the citation should be removed itself.

    Dbs edits (talk) 00:51, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

    You are right. This article is in a terrible state. Drastic surgery is needed. For a start, articles from JVL which do not identify an author who is an acknowledged expert must be removed. JVL is a propaganda site whose mostly anonymous articles are written from a political position. The essay of Bennet is a slam-dunk WP:RS violation. Etc. Zerotalk 03:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

    So in April 2015, a WP editor clearly admits citation to a known propaganda site and more than five years hence not a single edit has been made to these references.

    This, of course, is just a snowflake at the tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    was-salaam.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Talha
  32. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bumpkin

    This Laura Ingalls seems to have been a real fire-breather:

    More history I did not have a clue about.

  33. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I lost count of the number of citations to academic materials over the years at UNZ, but rarely do I cite Wikipedia unless it is about something like sports or some other topic that isn’t a contentious political or religious subject.

    The fact that my kid in middle school cannot use it as a relevant source should say volumes about those that rely on it to formulate their opinions on serious matters.

    I mean, hey, knock yourselves out – but don’t expect everyone else to take you seriously.

    Wa salaam.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  34. @Talha

    ‘…I mean, hey, knock yourselves out – but don’t expect everyone else to take you seriously…’

    The problem is the same as with most propaganda. It still works.

    After all, consider me, getting curious about say, the 1830 Polish rebellion against Russian rule. Well, what do I do?

    Why, I go to Wikipedia. Now, consider someone a little less suspicious than me who starts to wonder, ‘well, just how much do Muslims hate Jews?’

    Why, he goes to Wikipedia. It’s not whether it’s right or not. It’s whether it works.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  35. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    That’s a very good point. The fact that a Wikipedia entry often comes up as the first search result for many topics doesn’t help.

    Peace.

  36. sarz says:

    I’m wondering why Ron carries Patrick Buchanan. Here’s a couple of quotes from an article of his that came out today but which has not yet made it to UR: What Trump Will Leave in Biden’s Inbox.

    … the Taliban, whom we expelled from power 19 years ago for hosting the al-Qaida terrorists who perpetrated 9/11.

    If he believes that he shouldn’t be allowed out without a keeper. But he doesn’t. He’s simply lying. So why is he being allowed to piss on our shoes?

    … ashcan the utopian nonsense of trying to plant democracy in the sandy soil of a Middle East that has shown itself unreceptive to that particular crop.

    It’s not utopian nonsense, it’s unadulterated bullshit. This sort of stuff belongs in the New York Times. And they pay for it, too. So, inshallah, off you go, Patrick.

    • Replies: @A123
  37. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    So…Biden’s proposed Secretary of State and his proposed Secretary of Homeland Security are both Jews.

    And of course Biden’s proposed Chief of Staff is Jewish.

    The only silver lining that I see is that the more Jews there are, the faster it will crash and burn – then we can start over afresh, using the Jeffersonian ideal of local community government.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  38. @Colin Wright

    It’s not whether it’s right or not. It’s whether it works.

    Which is why CAMERA has invested so much time and energy in forming groups to wage a propaganda war there.

    Perhaps this is the next phase in the evolution of Unz Review: forming groups dedicated to editing WP entries such that they reflect more accurate information about topics typically whitewashed by Zionists.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  39. @AnonStarter

    ‘… forming groups dedicated to editing WP entries such that they reflect more accurate information about topics typically whitewashed by Zionists…’

    I’m skeptical you’ll actually be able to do that.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @A123
  40. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    ‘… forming groups dedicated to editing WP entries such that they reflect more accurate information about topics typically whitewashed by Zionists…’

    I’m skeptical you’ll actually be able to do that.

    Messing with Wikipedia entries is already a non-stop deluge. The Wikipedia Admin Team regularly locks entries to prevent exactly this type of editing duel.

    The short-term results can be fun though… Wikipedia correctly identified Jim Acosta as a Fake Journalist for several days.

    https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/11/14/amazon-fixes-alexas-description-of-cnns-jim-acosta-as-fake-journalist/

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  41. @Art

    Any chance Biden may take advantage of being a one term president to do the previously unthinkable?

    • Replies: @Art
  42. A123 says:
    @sarz

    I’m wondering why Ron carries Patrick Buchanan.

    Ron gives access to people across the world landscape.

    I can usually understand why he selects authors. I disagree with Pepe Escobar on almost every issue, however he is a good writer generating original material. Pat is not the word crafter that he once was, but he is still civilized and has some decent pieces.

    The recent addition I do not understand is Taxi. There is nothing original or interesting about low-IQ repetition of Nasrallah’s propaganda. When confronted with facts, Taxi responds with lengthy, deranged, and profane TROLL rants. Some lowlights of Taxi’s misbehaviour(1):

    remove that jew cock from your mouth

    fucking regurgitating moron!

    unlike your fake ass

    Part of being an author here should be respecting others. Taxi is incapable of that.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.unz.com/ldinh/battered-but-unbroken-lebanon/#comment-4292668

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @sarz
    , @Art
  43. Ron, it’s time to consider an update of your Covid 19 conspiracy theory which rests heavily on the ABC radio and Israeli TV reports and incredible stupidity by some still undiscovered American rogues who chose the occasion of a large US military presence in Wuhan to attack China with a virus.

    As to the reports I have offered credible explanations which you must concede are not fanciful. So, cui bono?

    Now, surely, you have to consider that it could have been down to China seeking to destroy America’s soft power – while severely damaging its economic strength – by setting the stage for the disastrous incompetence that is now evident. It is just a bonus that Boris Johnson has been as hopeless as Trump in running a purported democracy.

    Do I believe China started the pandemic deliberately? No, but it makes at least equal sense now as a conspiracy theory. N’est-ce pas?

  44. @A123

    Pretty funny seeing our local UR anti Zio Islamist call foul on Zionist propaganda, like Al Jazeera and the tin hat Palestinian propaganda publications they often site give the info straight ( no BS,) These publications recycle the same settlers tear down a Palestinian olive tree from 5 years ago, along with raw sewage and Israeli beating children and women.

    I have never seen anything so dishonest as Islamic propaganda and fake Palestinian news. Israel calls the fake red magic marker (to look like blood) still shots and videos Pallywood. These guys dress up in Israeli uniforms and beat up people. And they question Zionist motives. I find Wikipedia very accurate on historical wars, and biblical text. Like look up the Zohar, or the Tanakh it is pretty exact.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallywood

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Colin Wright
  45. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I was calling foul on Wikipedia.

    I have tried fix anti-Trump Wikipedia lies/errors in the past, and the correct facts have been pulled down almost immediately. The bottom line is that Wikipedia contains massive errors and deliberate propaganda on any controversial subject.

    If CW wants to plunge into that mess…. He is entitled to do so. Most likely he will find the things that he wants to change are “locked topics” or he will see his changes undone within a few hours.

    Sadly, little can be done to save Wikipedia at this point.

    PEACE 😇

  46. bjondo says:

    An oldie to read while you are keeping safe locked
    in your bathroom this Thanksgiving Day
    Always wise to listen to an insane governor.

    When Donald Trump Makes Sense, Mike Lofgren, April 5, 2016

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/04/05/when-donald-trump-makes-sense/

  47. sarz says:
    @A123

    I do wish Taxi were not on such a hair trigger, but it’s tough these days. I think the Israeli attack on Beirut and its aftermath has been especially hard for her to take. As for her repeating Hezbollah propaganda, that is absurd. She knows the situation first hand. I remember stories of old Jew immigrants to Israel from Arab countries crying on seeing the calm and unassuming way Nasrallah announced the death of his son in battle as a personal detail after commemorating the sacrifice of all their martyrs. The old Arab Jews of course recognised his nobility. “We have no one like that,” they said. They take his word over that of their supposed leaders, and rightfully.

    Your suggestion that Taxi is low-IQ is hilarious. You were there among the commenters to Linh’s recent piece here at UR that he sent from Lebanon. The way she sussed out Hiram of Tyre as an English hasbarat, pulling together all the evidence, was a wonder of shit-detection. It would have taken anyone else many times as long for the penny to drop.

    • Replies: @A123
  48. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Pretty funny seeing our local UR anti Zio Islamist call foul on Zionist propaganda, like Al Jazeera and the tin hat Palestinian propaganda publications…’

    If I block A123 but not you, does that mean you’re better — or so much worse that you’re merely amusing?

  49. A123 says:

    The traditional Thanksgiving video for the Open Thread.

    PEACE 😇

  50. A123 says:
    @sarz

    I think the Israeli attack on Beirut and its aftermath has been especially hard for her to take.

    Do you mean the Nasrallah-Shima Blast?

    Iranian al’Hezbollah demonstrated utter disregard for life by storing 3MM+ kg of NH3-NO4 (plus additional war material) in Munions Depot #12. Col. Skaf of the Lebanese Customs service, a Christian, was assassinated for publicly discussing the danger of storing Ammonium Nitrate in a populated area. Nasrallah is personally responsible for killing hundreds, injuring thousands, and leaving over 100,000 homeless.

    Being distressed by Nasrallah’s crimes against humanity is understandable. However, she is not going to be able to move on until she comes to terms with the fact that Iranian al’Hezbollah is 100% responsible for the catatstrophe.
    ____

    All of the misinformation put forth in a weak effort to smear Israel has been debunked. Israel had nothing to do with the Nasrallah-Shima Blast. Only those with low-IQ, or some other significant mental impairment, are unable to process this objective fact.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Art
  51. @A123

    Taxi has to come to terms with fact that Shia Jihadism is finished. Once and for all. It is over. A new chapter of peace and prosperity. Recognizing Israel as the homeland for the Jews and Jerusalem as its undisputed capital. Al Quds is finished.
    People want to live and thrive. Not recognizing Israel is keeping the entire ME in ignorance and poverty, like Hezbollah that play hide and seek. Poor all the way around. Recognizing Israel will create economic development, shared technology, and tourism. As well as a fundamental recognition of another religion as being equally dominant to Islam. It is a got to happen. Israel is not going anywhere. Jihadism is a failure not just for their cause but the desolation and hostage taking of an entire population of innocent people who are tired of their failure. Look at the people in Lebanon crying for release.
    I predict with the help of Europe Lebanon will make peace with Israel and begin to move forward, leaving Hezbollah in the dust. They reached their zenith and are on a downward spiral.

  52. Art says:
    @A123

    Do you mean the Nasrallah-Shima Blast?

    TROLL!

  53. Art says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Any chance Biden may take advantage of being a one term president to do the previously unthinkable?

    Not sure what you are asking – but if it is “will he start an Iran war” – I think he will not.

    He has no mandate to do so. That would insult and incense the Trump folks, who got screwed by the election outcome.

    p.s. The political far left is not interested in a war.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  54. Excuse the little considered reply but I think I was referring to almost the opposite.

  55. Art says:
    @A123

    The recent addition I do not understand is Taxi.

    Taxi lives in southern Lebanon – she hears Israeli drones overhead, taking pictures of the next places to bomb.

    People living under those conditions are permitted colorful language.

    Her verbal abuse of the Israelis is top notch and deserved.

  56. @Art

    ‘…Not sure what you are asking – but if it is “will he start an Iran war” – I think he will not…’

    This sort of thing needs to be repunctuated. Try:

    ‘…Not sure what you are asking – but if it is “will ‘he’ start an Iran war” – I think ‘he’ will not…’

    Biden is so far gone that he’s functionally a puppet. Beyond insisting on performing necessary bodily functions, ‘he’ isn’t going to have any will at all. It’s going to be a matter of what his handlers want — so step one is to work out who they are.

  57. @Art

    ‘The only silver lining that I see is that the more Jews there are, the faster it will crash and burn – then we can start over afresh, using the Jeffersonian ideal of local community government.’

    They really do seem to be overplaying their hand. So far — without looking — I’ve seen six of Biden’s handlers named. All have been Jewish.

    Work out 0.02 raised to the sixth power.

    • Replies: @Art
  58. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    They really do seem to be overplaying their hand. So far — without looking — I’ve seen six of Biden’s handlers named. All have been Jewish.

    They are all Little Jews who dance to the Big Jew tune – the Big oligarch Jews are Not going far left on the economic side of things.

  59. Ron Unz says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    Decent summary of Unz.com and its article writers:

    Very interesting. I’d never heard of that blogsite or the writer’s 12,000 word(!!!) denunciation of this webzine back in May, but I looked through it, and was quite gratified that his piece was substantially longer than his similar attack on ZeroHedge, a website that gets more than ten times our traffic.

    Unfortunately, by the second sentence I realized that the author was either incompetent or a very poor researcher. He claims that I am best (and only) known for my 1994 Republican primary challenge to incumbent Gov. Pete Wilson of California, in which starting as a total unknown I received just over one-third of the vote.

    Admittedly, that unexpected result did get me a small bit of local media coverage, but my entire campaign only lasted a few weeks, and was soon forgotten. Indeed, the media I received in that campaign probably amounts to a small fraction of 1% of what I have accumulated over the years.

    By contrast, my 1998 “English for the Children” California campaign together with my follow-up campaigns in several other states were vastly more momentous, and probably account for 70-80% of my total lifetime media coverage. For example, here’s a link to our own website, containing many thousands(!) of MSM newstories:

    https://www.onenation.org/

    My landslide victories in those ultra-hot-button campaign produced enormous media coverage, including an (extremely nice) cover-story in The New Republic, America’s leading political opinion magazine, a front-page profile in the Sunday New York Times, and similar coverage in The Economist, The LA Times, and numerous other publications.

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    Obviously, these are all long-faded glories of two decades ago. But it always irritates me when (Wikipedia-reliant?) writers focus on my 1994 gubernatorial achievement, which was actually one of my least significant political successes.

    Glancing over the rest of the (extremely long) article, I think his description was (very roughly) correct, though obviously very hostile and one-sided. Since the unknown writer seems as totally ignorant of history or science as he is of my own political background, he naturally denounces my own reconstruction of various historical events because they differ greatly from what he read in his high school textbooks, and he seems to pay almost no attention to my arguments.

    Fortunately, others who are quite a bit smarter and more knowledgeable have had a very different reaction. As I’ve mentioned before, one of America’s most eminent (mainstream) political scientists has told me that he reads all my articles “religiously” and another rather high-ranking academic offered a similar reaction.

    Earlier this year when our website was purged by Facebook and Google, I received an outraged note from another very eminent scholar, who was a professor at Harvard back when I was still in elementary school. He told me he had learned more from my own articles than he had from anyone else in his entire long life.

    So perhaps that anonymous blogger should have done a bit more research and evaluation before writing his 12,000 word critique…

  60. bjondo says:

    Day after day
    Alone in his basement
    The man with the foolish grin

    [MORE]

    Is drowning in his drool
    Nobody wants to know him
    They can see that he’s just a fool
    And he never has an answer

    But the fool from the hill
    Sees his son going down
    And the eyes in his head
    Cluelessly spin round n’ round

    Well on the way
    Mind in a confused daze
    The man hears a thousand voices
    His world’s become a maze

    But nobody cares to hear him
    Or the sounds he appears to make
    And he is too lost to notice

    But the fool from the hill
    Knows his son is going down
    And the eyes in his head
    Unable to see crimes spinning ’round

    And nobody pretends to like him
    They know he is a corrupt tool
    But they are too busy stealing

    The fool from the hill
    Knows the Dems are going down
    And the eyes in his head
    See Guantanamo coming round

    He can no longer hear them
    Somehow he knows they’re the fool

    Harris fled to Israel to be comfort for the YTF*

    *Yid Terror Force (AKA The Brown Shorts)

    Lennon, McCartney, 5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  61. @bjondo

    I guess we’re going to get over that.

    ‘Turning Personal Freedom Into an Ideology Endangers All’ Pope Francis, NY Times

    Imagine thinking personal freedom is an ideology. Are there actually people who believe that?

  62. @Ron Unz

    The description of other Unz.com article writers or columnists seems accurate and well-sourced (Michelle Malkin, Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Anatoly Karlin etc).

    The author came to describe Anatoly Karlin independently very similar to me:

    “Anatoly Karlin– (a self-described journalist and IQ researcher, he studied political economy at UC-Berkeley and has only one peer-reviewed published article (in the Siberian Psychology Journal)[44], he is a frequent poster to the Unz Review. In his writings, he has claimed that the human carrying capacity is 100 billion[45], while most other peer-reviewed and pro-science sources cite the human carrying capacity as being between 8 – 10 billion[46][47], with Australian Academy of Science finding only two out of 65 peer-reviewed papers coming to a similar conclusion as Karlin.[48] He also has repeatedly tried linked race and IQ together[49], relying on such controversial and academically questionable material like Richard Lynn’s research on the subject and The Bell Curve, falling for common assumptions about race and IQ.[50] Karlin also has a Reddit account and, not uncommon for many Redditors, has voiced his own view on race, writing, “I am quite happy that few Blacks associate with Russia, considering the type of violence-ridden underclasses they tend to create in countries that open their doors to them…So yes, I am a racist and very happy with that,”.[51] He also has tried to link homosexuality and pedophilia.[52] So, all around, someone who should not be given a platform, yet has been due to the Review)”

    Yet Karlin has spent years falsely claiming I wrote a ‘hit-piece’ on him when in reality I just factually documented his anti-scientific views including overpopulation denial.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  63. Miro23 says:
    @AnonStarter

    From the article:

    The goal is not only to know the military and diplomatic plans of our friends but also to learn what intelligence they may be receiving and with whom they share information. “If a friendly state has friends that we don’t see as friends,” one senior official explained, sensitive intelligence that it should not possess — such as that supplied by Pollard — “can spread to others.” Many officials said they were convinced that information Pollard sold to the Israelis had ultimately wound up in the hands of the Soviet Union.

    A double traitor.

    The issue arose when Casey urged increased monitoring of the Israelis during an otherwise routine visit, I was told by the station chief, who is now retired. “He asked if I knew anything about the Pollard case,” the station chief recalled, and he said that Casey had added, “For your information, the Israelis used Pollard to obtain our attack plan against the U.S.S.R. all of it. The coordinates, the firing locations, the sequences. And for guess who? The Soviets.” Casey had then explained that the Israelis had traded the Pollard data for Soviet emigres. “How’s that for cheating?” he had asked.

    To execute Pollard – as an example to others.

    THE men and women of the National Security Agency live in a world of chaotic bleeps, buzzes, and whistles, and talk to each other about frequencies, spectrums, modulation, and bandwidth — the stuff of Tom Clancy novels. They often deal with signals intelligence, or SIGINT, and their world is kept in order by an in-house manual known as the RASIN an acronym for radio-signal notations. The manual, which is classified “top-secret Umbra,” fills ten volumes, is constantly updated, and lists the physical parameters of every known signal. Pollard took it all. “It’s the Bible,” one former communications-intelligence officer told me. “It tells how we collect signals anywhere in the world.” The site, frequency, and significant features of Israeli communications — those that were known and targeted by the N.S.A. — were in the RASIN; so were all the known communications links used by the Soviet Union.

    Israel is not a friend of the US.

  64. Ron Unz says:
    @Oliver D. Smith

    The description of other Unz.com article writers or columnists seems accurate and well-sourced (Michelle Malkin, Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, Anatoly Karlin etc).

    Well, after the ridiculous second sentence about my “famed” 1994 political activities, I couldn’t take the writer seriously, and merely skimmed the remaining 12,000 words(!!!) of his article. I’ve never once looked at my own Wikipedia page, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did his “research” by using that notoriously doubtful source.

    That being said, I didn’t notice any huge factual errors in his coverage of my activities, merely that it was highly skewed and selective, and therefore quite misleading. My impression was that his description of those other writers was somewhat similar.

    In his writings, he has claimed that the human carrying capacity is 100 billion[45], while most other peer-reviewed and pro-science sources cite the human carrying capacity as being between 8 – 10 billion…Yet Karlin has spent years falsely claiming I wrote a ‘hit-piece’ on him when in reality I just factually documented his anti-scientific views including overpopulation denial.

    Well, I’ve never heard Anatoly claim that the earth could easily accommodate population of 100 billion, so I doubt he’s made that implausible claim very often. Then again, given continuing technological advances, who knows?

    Back a few years ago I was in a public NYC debate with a somewhat prominent free market economist, who occasionally publishes in the NYT. At one point, he told me that he was sure that the earth could conveniently accommodate a population of one trillion(!). So compared to that, what’s a mere 100B?

    Anyway, from everything I’ve read, except for Sub-Saharan Africans, world population growth has been rapidly decelerating and converging towards ZPG. So it sounds like your only concern is with black Africans and what Steve Sailer has repeatedly dubbed “the most important graph in the world”:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/2019-most-important-graph-in-the-world/

  65. @Ron Unz

    That being said, I didn’t notice any huge factual errors in his coverage of my activities, merely that it was highly skewed and selective, and therefore quite misleading. My impression was that his description of those other writers was somewhat similar.

    Yes it’s intentionally selective – the focus is on the problematic/controversial ideas and views of columnists on this website – conspiracy theories, pseudoscience, disinformation, fake news, propaganda, questionable claims etc., as well as political extremism and anti-Semitism. I’m sure you agree with some of these criticisms because of the diverse views of the columnists; many of their opinions and beliefs you don’t seem to agree with. Did you ever read the Media Bias/Fact Check report about this website?
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-unz-report/

    Well, I’ve never heard Anatoly claim that the earth could easily accommodate population of 100 billion, so I doubt he’s made that implausible claim very often. Then again, given continuing technological advances, who knows?

    He’s claimed human carrying capacity is somewhere between 100-200 billion.

    See the main article he published, estimating ~100 billion:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-population

    He’s also repeated the 100-200 billion estimate a few times on social media:

    There’s a wide range of estimates for human carrying capacity, typically ~3 billion to ~20 billion (the ~100 billion and 1 trillion estimates are extreme outliers not to be taken serious) because these studies only focus on renewable resources but the median is around ~8 billion – the world population today. If we made no change at all to the current global ecological footprint, we could sustain a maximum population of 4 to 5 billion since we’re right now using up the renewable resources of 1.7 Earths. However the global ecological footprint is unequal depending on country, so there’s different estimates for human carrying capacity under different scenarios of per capita consumption; if everyone alive today lived at the US standard – the Earth could sustain only 1.75 billion people; in contrast, if everyone had the same ecological footprint as India – the Earth could sustain several billions more people than the current world population of ~8 billion (the average Indian has an ecological footprint of 0.9 gha while the current global footprint is 2.7 global hectares per capita). Karlin’s 100 billion estimate is though pure fringe-crankery.

    To only focus on resources like Malthus (and neo-Malthusians) did though is misleading because it ignores biodiversity/habitat loss and I’ve long criticised Malthusians for ignoring biodiversity loss. If carrying capacity is instead defined as the maximum population a species can indefinitely support in coexistence with other species (without environmental degradation) – the range of estimates for human carrying capacity narrows to about 500 million to 5 billion, and the very low estimates of 500 million to 2 billion are the studies that tend to focus more on biodiversity and habitat loss rather than resources and consumption. Paul Ehrlich (2013) commented that when recognising the ecocide (ecological genocide) humanity has caused (i.e. thousands of species extinctions), carrying capacity is 1 billion, so we are already massively overpopulated.

    …unfortunately, many analyses of what a sustainable human population level would look like presume that the goal is simply to keep the human race at a level where it has enough food and clean water to survive. Our notion of sustainability and ecological footprint — indeed, our notion of world worth living in — presumes that humans will allow for, and themselves enjoy, enough room and resources for all species to live.

    https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/programs/population_and_sustainability/extinction/

    I explained this to Karlin in 2019 and pointed out the lunacy of his position but Karlin doesn’t care about ecocide and in fact seems to be a nutcase who supports wiping out many species and the polar habitat by claiming he wants to melt the Arctic Ocean’s sea ice for commercial shipping.

    Back a few years ago I was in a public NYC debate with a somewhat prominent free market economist, who occasionally publishes in the NYT. At one point, he told me that he was sure that the earth could conveniently accommodate a population of one trillion(!). So compared to that, what’s a mere 100B?

    “Anyone who thinks that you can have infinite growth on a planet with finite resources is either a madman or an economist.” – David Attenborough

    Anyway, from everything I’ve read, except for Sub-Saharan Africans, world population growth has been rapidly decelerating and converging towards ZPG. So it sounds like your only concern is with black Africans and what Steve Sailer has repeatedly dubbed “the most important graph in the world”:

    SSA countries are overpopulated like everywhere else because of the biodiversty loss they’re causing but most SSA countries have the lowest ecological and carbon footprints – so the most immediate and positive impact on environment – is to reduce populations in developed and developing countries that have high ecological and carbon footprints, especially the West. A person in the UK for example produces 70 times the CO2 of someone in Niger. I don’t focus on only reducing fertility rates in SSA but every country, but especially the West because of their high per capita carbon emissions.

  66. A123 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, I’ve never heard Anatoly claim that the earth could easily accommodate population of 100 billion, so I doubt he’s made that implausible claim very often. Then again, given continuing technological advances, who knows?

    I concur. Any max limit comes with a significant number of assumptions. Technology can challenge these assumptions.

    -1- Right now, electricity is unnecessarily expensive. Thorium based nuclear, such as LFTR, could bring electricity costs down by 90%+. This makes desalination to obtain fresh water a cost effective proposition, yielding a modest increase in the maximum limit.

    -2- Agriculture is the top consumer of fresh water. The 3-D printed burger, is no longer myth but still far from commercially viable. Breaking the connection between fresh water and food production, via synthetic foods, could massively increase the max limit.

    Science fiction offers up some hypotheticals on this topic. For example, Larry Niven’s Puppeters’ homeworld has a population over one trillion and the limiting factor is entropy waste heat. The Puppeters moved their planet further from their sun to cut down on solar absorbtion. This is obviously not a near term proposition for humanity.

    PEACE 😇

  67. Wade says:

    Wow, I was pleasantly surprised to see that the articles you are showing today, promoted as newsworthy, are all dealing with the JFK assassination. Current events have brought the JFK assassination, as well as a concern that there may be criminals right now that have president Trump in their crosshairs, to my mind as well.

    At this moment there is definitely a war going on between the administration and the CIA.

  68. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Dems hoping for a 2nd Camelot, their Orwellian version – Kamalot:

    A time of medical and cyber repression, lotsa lies, spying, poverty,
    lockdowns/self imprisonment, excess deaths/uncountable suicides.

    Not exactly intelligence, beauty and high culture of John, Jackie and Melania.

    More like Yidsheviks, Pol Pot, perv Swinewood, and CIA at its sickest.

    5 dancing shlomos

  69. ‘…I explained this to Karlin in 2019 and pointed out the lunacy of his position but Karlin doesn’t care…’

    Etc. This place is a zoo. If you want a well-ordered, carefully weeded garden, I suggest the New York Times or something — the Times even offers discussion threads (for the properly behaved).

    Here there be wild things — all safely caged by the distance implicit in cyberspace, though. If you don’t like what’s in one pen, move on to the next. Nobody’s making you follow any particular poster. Anatoly Karlin won’t chase you into your bedroom. You can ignore him if you find him exasperating.

    You’re safe. It’s okay.

    • Replies: @Talha
  70. @OutsideMan

    ‘…A U.S. Department of Justice lawyer argued Monday that the United States can kill its own citizens without judicial review when litigation would reveal state secrets.

    • Agree: Lot’

    Should we take your agreement literally, Lot?

    • LOL: Talha
  71. Art says:

    Who in the GOP is looking after the Jan 5 Georgia election? There needs to be an army of lawyers watching the pooling and counting places. There is nothing more important for America – period!

    Trump is going to do rallies, but far more must be done. Trump has too much on his plate.

    The GOP must assign the best that they have at political organizing.

    PLEASE!!!!!

  72. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Nobody’s making you follow any particular poster. Anatoly Karlin won’t chase you into your bedroom. You can ignore him if you find him exasperating.

    That’s sound advice. I used to post a lot under Mr. Karlin’s blog, some people were friendly, many others were hostile. At one point, I stood back and asked myself; what does a Russian nationalist blog have to do with me or me to do with it? Couldn’t find a good answer.

    Likewise with plenty of other columns. Find a few you like and just ignore the rest. Otherwise it’s like going to a university and then feeling some sort of obligation that you have to join every club on campus. You don’t and it’s likely a waste of your time to attempt to do so.

    As the great poet, Too $hort, once said:
    “Get in where you fit in, fool”

    Peace.

  73. Miracle prophesies from a Hasidic master regarding the 2020 election being overturned.

  74. @Ron Unz

    Now here is something worthy of you Ron.

    I have pointed out that Trump’s lawyers ought to be able to keep their electoral fraud cases on foot and not finally dismissed if they could produce expert mathematical/statistical evidence that some changes in vote numbers which were not inconsequential in size supported the view that those figures had to be fake.

    Then a commenter linked

    https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

    and I circulated that to some pretty high powered people of relevant experience and, after a couple of shrugs, got this from one of the most high powered in answer to one of the shruggers:

    To dispose first of a minor point, the source of the data used in the analysis is “publicly available data from The New York Times” (see page 3 of the document). Hardly a Trumpian source.

    With respect, I don’t agree that “all it shows” is that “for some groups of voters, the Democratic share of the vote is very high”. Nobody, of course, would contest the truth of that statement about “some groups of voters” But that is NOT all the analysis shows.

    Surely it shows, much more importantly, that it is the small number of “anomalous”-appearing voting “dumps” that came in during the middle of the night (after the polls had been said to have been closed) in which the Democratic share of the vote was very high.

    The “scatter diagrams” on pages 9 (Michigan), 12 (Wisconsin), 13 (Georgia), 14 (Pennsylvania) in particular, and 15 (Minnesota) are fascinating; whereas that for New York (page 16), to which you make reference, looks quite different .

    Do you really believe that the parallels illustrated by these scatter diagrams, occurring as they did at virtually the same time and in the same circumstances (counting having in each case been inexplicably “halted” for the night), came about in these key “swing” states by pure coincidence?

    I am tempted to say that in that case I have a Harbour Bridge … .

    He believes Trump won in a landslide but was cheated. If he believes that we may be sure that belief will be and remain widespread and be very damaging. May I urge you to find time to deploy your formidable intellectual resources to resolving the mathematical problem at least. Ot maybe get one of your seriously numerate contributors to do it.

    • Replies: @utu
  75. Here’s one for Fran ‘n Aaron ‘n Lot, and A123, ‘n MCohen ‘n whoever:

    ‘_______ remarked that, if society understood that animals should be protected from violence, it should understand the same about women.

    “Women aren’t animals that you can beat, and today we say you don’t hit animals either,” ______ said.

    “We understand that animals, too, have understanding and intelligence and cognition and feelings. We rightly have compassion for animals. Well, women are animals, children are animals – animals with rights… “

    How enlightened. The words are from Netanyahu, not Borat. Netanyahu was speaking on women in the Knesset the other day.

  76. The most humane army in the world:

    Israeli forces filmed ‘laughing’ while shooting Palestinian protesters

    Israeli soldiers were seen gleefully celebrating the shooting of Palestinian protesters on Friday, a reporter for Turkish state news agency Anadolu said.

    The soldiers were filmed firing tear gas and both rubber and live ammunition at demonstrators in the West Bank town of Kafr Malik, where local Palestinians were protesting the construction of Israeli settlements considered illegal under international law.

    Anadolu cameraman Hisham Abu Shaqrah said Israeli forces were engaging in “bloody entertainment” as they reportedly targeted demonstrators.

    When one protester was hit in the leg at close-range, Abu Shaqrah filmed the soldiers “celebrating the injury to the demonstrator, laughing and hugging each other.”

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  77. Miro23 says:

    Lt. General Michael Flynn, Lt. General Thomas McInerney and Mary Fanning putting some light on the ongoing US coup. Necessary to watch the whole video.

    It looks like Trump and the military are fighting against Biden and the deep state (FBI/CIA/MSM) now with a shooting match between the two sides in Frankfurt Germany.

    A very dangerous aspect is Trump’s allies identifying Russia, China and Iran as being behind the election fraud. They’re clearly not – but all these countries happen to be Israel’s primary enemies – so is Trump still pandering to Israel – or using a fake “foreign interference” argument to get at the CIA?

    In all the confusion, one positive is that they’re calling out the treasonous US media.

  78. utu says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The step changes in blue curves are very suspicious while in red the changes are very small. I would present the data differently by differentiating each curve and then ratio the two curves to see what is the ratio of red-to-blue votes in each update. Is it possible that there are precincts reporting a batch of votes in which 90% or more are for Biden?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  79. bjondo says:

    GA voters celebrating their Repub Secty of State, Brad Ratshit:

    https://parler.com/post/185d0243061b4c06a02b013d13fedf2f (from PCR)

  80. @utu

    As to your concluding question I think the article refers to parts of San Francisco which regularly vote 90 per cent Democrat, so, yes, there would be 90 per cent Democrat (Biden) batches of votes and, indeed in some areas where the vote was 80 per cent Democrat you would expect small batches from the total to turn up with 90 per cent quite often. But the big dumps are the surprising ones.

  81. A123 says:

    Yet more Wikipedia EPIC FAIL: (1)

    Editors “Aquillion” and “MastCell” made the most influential comments calling for banning Newsmax. Both editors are known for advancing left-wing agendas on Wikipedia, MastCell being an administrator with special privileges on the site. In each of their comments, they cited studies and reports they claimed showed “reliable” sources considered Newsmax to be an egregiously unreliable source. Under Wikipedia’s reliable sourcing and verifiability policies, the quality of any source is generally judged based on what competing sources report about it.

    The fact that Wikipedia fears NewsMax is a good sign. This is a clear signal that they are having success picking up viewers driven away by the moral collapse at Fox.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/11/30/wikipedia-blacklists-newsmax-following-post-election-popularity-boost/

  82. bjondo says:

    Common knowledge:

    Reasons why the 2020 presidential election is deeply puzzling, Nov 27/20

    https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

    Anomalies in Vote Counts and Their Effects on Election 2020, Nov 24, 20

    https://votepatternanalysis.substack.com/p/voting-anomalies-2020

  83. @Ron Unz

    Following up my plea for you to turn your mind to evaluating the linked mathematical article I have continued trying to get to grips with it without developing much confidence that I would master the methodology before the Electoral College votes. However I do proffer these alternative approaches which might be worth trying.

    One is to look not just at 8400 vote dumps in 2020 in key states but thundreds of thousands in all states (and, separately, in swing states) over many elections. How often would a comparably striking apparently discordant set of dumps appear?

    The other is to try and devise a plausible model of how votes are cast, aggregated and counted that could produce the suspect results in a legal way.

    Perhaps you could get Razib on to it, of John Derbyshire???

  84. Every time I start to think maybe it didn’t happen.

    ‘…Several whistleblowers on Tuesday cast new uncertainty on the 2020 election process, claiming up to 288,000 ballots disappeared, another 100,000 were improperly backdated, and mail promoting President Trump was junked while mail for Joe Biden was delivered.

    In the most extraordinary report, a U.S. Postal Service contractor said his trailer full of 144,000-288,000 completed mail-in ballots, which he drove between New York and Pennsylvania, disappeared after he delivered it to a Lancaster, Pennsylvania, depot…’

  85. bjondo says:

    ‘Biggest fraud’ in US history—up to 300,000 fake people voted in Arizona election: expert | NTD News

    1 Dec 2020 , Bobby Piton is a managing partner of Pre-Active Investments, LLC and an investment advisor representative of Total Clarity Wealth Management. He used Arizona’s official government data to run his analysis.

    After analyzing the data, he believes this is the “biggest fraud in the history of our constitutional republic is taking place right before our eyes.” He thinks there are between 120,000 and 306,000 fake people who voted in this election. Piton presented his findings and said that he would never have certified Arizona’s election results.

    https://ugetube.com/watch/039-biggest-fraud-039-in-us-history-up-to-300-000-fake-people-voted-in-arizona-election-expert-ntd_CCsruUpP7t31ucO.html
    —————————————————————————————-
    AND
    questionable, Hagwitch’s 2016 popular vote total. Subtract 6 million, minimum.
    ——————————————————————————————

    Tony Balony Corony News:

    A closer look at U.S. deaths due to COVID-19 (from PCR)

    https://johnbwellsnews.com/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19/

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  86. @bjondo

    Steve Bannon has a war room video every nite. A can’t miss

    Here is another video by Mike Huckabee.

  87. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Breaking News!

    Beaten Biden and Zero Kamalot fill a park bench.

    5ds/bjondo

  88. Perhaps AI isn’t so artificial after all?

    Alexa Accused of Being an Anti-Semite – Siri a Rabid Anti-Zionist

    When asked if Israel is guilty of war crimes, Alexa presented “something I found on the web,” and continued: “Ethnic cleansing on a massive scale and serial human rights abuse, including war crimes, yes – Israel is guilty of these atrocities.”

    Apparently, Alexa’s main competition, Apple’s Siri, also a form of AI, is vehemently anti-Zionist, too. Business Insider reported in January that Siri has been heard to say that President Reuven Rivlin is “the president of the Zionist Occupation State.”

    Naturally, the UK’s All-Party Parliamentary Group against Anti-Semitism has lodged a formal complaint.

  89. Talha says:

    Pffffshshwahahahaha!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  90. This is definitely a win-win:

    ‘Obama, Bush and Clinton say they will take the COVID-19 vaccine publicly to gain public trust’

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Wielgus
  91. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    This is definitely a win-win:

    ‘Obama, Bush and Clinton say they will take the COVID-19 vaccine publicly to gain public trust’

    This could be a dangerous precedent.

    If the vaccine has negative mental side effects…. How would anyone notice with these test subjects?

    PEACE 😇

  92. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    If all three die horribly shortly afterwards, will the MSM report it?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @OutsideMan
  93. Wielgus says:
    @Talha

    I am shocked, shocked by the lack of social distancing…

    • LOL: Talha
  94. @Wielgus

    ‘If all three die horribly shortly afterwards, will the MSM report it?’

    They’d probably have to. They can always go back to locking down the whole planet again. Every cloud has a silver lining.

  95. He’s this dystrophic weirdo:

    * https://akarlin.com/ratwiki/
    * https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/inaccuracies-in-rationalwikis-oliver-d-smiths-page-about-me/
    * https://vdare.com/articles/lunatics-take-over-asylum-oliver-d-smith-rationalwiki-and-the-wikipedeans

    ***

    Well, I’ve never heard Anatoly claim that the earth could easily accommodate population of 100 billion, so I doubt he’s made that implausible claim very often.

    Here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-population/

    I see no reason to make a reassessment. All ODS’ counterarguments were in fact addressed in that very article.

  96. @Wielgus

    What makes you think they will actually give them the vaccine they propose to give all of us, instead of a different one or a placebo?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  97. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone saying, “correcting acts of fraud to true isn’t

    enough to change the outcome of the election” is

    LYING.

    #104 knows what the snakes will do.

    5 dancing shlomos/bjondo

  98. Wielgus says:
    @OutsideMan

    Because ultimately they are expendable, and anyway, sometimes a dangerous vaccine precipitously rushed into production is just a dangerous vaccine precipitously rushed into production.

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  99. @Wielgus

    Of course they’re expendable. We all are to (((them))). But they don’t want to scare (((their))) serfs away from taking the ‘medicine‘.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  100. Wielgus says:
    @OutsideMan

    If there is one individual who will take a placebo while pretending it is a vaccine, with the cameras rolling of course, it is Bill Gates himself.

  101. Is Dmitri Alperovich behind the monolith appearances in Utah, Romania, and Atascadero, California where the monolith was torn down and replaced with a cross which a group of people did while listening to Russian, Hungarian, and U.S. Patriotic hymns on their way? My youtube is not working, and internet searches are limited because of hackers which prevent me from visiting thousands of standard websites including the New York Times and Wikipedia. Alperovich left Crowd Strike for his new endeavor Silverado Policy Accelerator think tank. Silverado Califorifornia is 7.8 miles from Atascadero. Unsurprisingly, Silverado Policy Accelerator has a Delaware listed address. The first one in Utah, maybe because of the Utah data center? And the monoliths were all silver in color. A monolith is also an obalisk with the pyramid at the top removed, and is what the prretenders are telling us that The Great Reset would be, equality and global governance, which is a total lie! So the individual would go from the government trying to impose their will on the individual to having the entire world having to impose their will on the individual, which violates countless human rights and constitutional rights! 

    Andrea Iravani

  102. Excellent synopsis of the Iran/Zionist State of America situation:

    After Israel’s assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist, former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter debunks the myths about Iran’s nuclear program and discusses the next phase of the US and Israeli campaign against Iran under Biden.

    Israel’s assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist is the latest act of aggression in the Trump-Netanyahu campaign to undermine the Iran nuclear deal. Although President-elect Joe Biden has voiced support for returning to the JCPOA, longstanding US-Israel hostility to Iranian sovereignty will continue under his watch.

    Guest: Scott Ritter, former UN Weapons Inspector, former Marine Corps Intelligence Officer, and author of Dealbreaker: Donald Trump and the Unmaking of the Iran Nuclear Deal.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/12/04/after-trump-leaves-us-and-israeli-aggression-against-iran-remains/

  103. Largest general strike in world history = zero corporate (((media))) propaganda outlet coverage in ZSA:

    Working class unites across India/250-million-strong strike!

    For the second time this year, a class-wide mobilization in an “All-India strike” brought out 250 million workers. With one in four working-age people in India participating, this 24-hour work stoppage can again claim the status of “world’s biggest strike.” The first record-breaking general strike had taken place on Jan. 8.

  104. YouTube activist dismantles identity politics tangentially:

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  105. @OutsideMan

    Why are deleting the URLs from comments?

  106. bjondo says:

    I was correct in 2016 predicting Trump would win.
    The vote totals then also rigged for the hagwitch.

    I was right when I predicted Trump would crush the
    DemsShitState with vote percentage between 68% to 82%.

    I will use my one allowed comment per weekend
    to say Trump, in the coming days, again, beats the conspirators.

    2nd term begins Jan 20, 2021.

    Beaten Biden returns to basement never to emerge.
    Kamala crawls underneath desk never to show her face.

    Brennan and crew of traitors somehow end up in Guantanamo.
    Never to leave.

    Georgia’s Republicans end up a brokeback deliverance.
    Losers to be abused and humiliated like squealing piglets.

    CEOs of Twitter, Facebook, Utube, Google, ilk, somehow
    end up in Guantanamo. If full, space leased at DC Zoo.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  107. Love at the Farm, 1969

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  108. Talha says:

    This is interesting…

    Peace.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  109. anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Are we still doing American Pravda? Then maybe we can relook at the VENONA bullshit. Here’s how CIA framed Hiss.

    https://inteltoday.org/2020/12/06/on-this-day-did-richard-nixon-frame-alger-hiss-december-6-1948-the-pumpkin-papers-2020/

    They framed him not for being a commie, but for complying with the supreme law of the land, UN Charter Article 100.

  110. ‘…They framed him not for being a commie, but for complying with the supreme law of the land, UN Charter Article 100.’

    So you say. You must be a commie.

  111. News of Israel’s recent murder of 15-year-old Ali Ayman Saleh Nasser portrays him as an engaged in civil political protest while he was merely observing such a protest against Israel’s land theft:

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/tamara-nassar/israel-kills-child-and-then-lies

    This is the “context” to which Aaron and company would like us to pay attention, one which renders such killing a naked act of violent aggression. Ali Ayman’s murder is truly a microcosm for Israel’s routine criminality, always perpetrated to instigate further conflict as a rationale for further land theft.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  112. RIP Dick Allen of the Philadelphia Phillies

    One day people will understand that standing up for yourself and your dignity makes you a man and not a malcontent. —Mitchell Nathanson (Society of American Baseball Researchers.

    Jews … creating revolutionary blacks since 1909.

    (Cue the faux Hall of Fame outrage)

  113. @SeekerofthePresence

    Where did that hippie girl at 4:12 get that white smile? Oh yeah Pepsodent … and capitalism

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  114. Biggest Iranian flotilla yet en route to Venezuela with fuel:

    Iran is sending its biggest fleet yet of tankers to Venezuela in defiance of U.S. sanctions to help the isolated nation weather a crippling fuel shortage, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

    https://www.stripes.com/news/americas/biggest-iranian-flotilla-yet-en-route-to-venezuela-with-fuel-1.654275

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  115. @OutsideMan

    ‘…Iran is sending its biggest fleet yet of tankers to Venezuela in defiance of U.S. sanctions to help the isolated nation weather a crippling fuel shortage, according to people with knowledge of the matter.’

    Iran’s technologically a little behind the curve — but psychologically, they definitely know how to play the game.

    The idea here is to maneuver the US into committing a gross and indefensible act of illegality that will prove impossible for the rest of the world to ignore.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  116. @Father Coughlin

    “Where did that hippie girl at 4:12 get that white smile?”

    Isn’t she beautiful!
    That smile lit up a decade.

  117. bjondo says:

    Coming soon: dreams, hopes, excitement, schemes, parties,
    each and all dashed to hell when Kamalot officially ends, 01/20/21.

    No tear shed for them: scum, pretenders, usurpers, traitors.

    Not one an American.

    Parasites.

    5 dancing shlomos

  118. Israel and US dealing with ‘aliens’, says scientist

    Prominent Israeli Professor and Retired General Haim Eshed has claimed that Israel and the US are dealing with aliens who do not want to be identified because “humanity is not ready yet,” Yedioth Ahronoth reported on Saturday.

    Eshed served from 1981 to 2010 as the head of Israel’s security space programme, explained the Jewish Press. It noted that he received the Israel Security Award three times, twice for confidential technological inventions.

    “[US President Donald] Trump was on the verge of revealing the situation, but the aliens in the Galactic Federation are saying wait, let people calm down first. They don’t want to start mass hysteria. They want to first make us sane and understanding,” explained Eshed. “They have been waiting for humanity to evolve and reach a stage where we will generally understand what space and spaceships are. There’s an agreement between the US government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here.”

    The father of the Israeli security space programme said that the aliens are also carrying out research and trying to understand the whole fabric of the universe. “They want us as helpers. There’s an underground base in the depths of Mars, where their representatives are, and also US astronauts.”

    He acknowledged that his claims are strange. “If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalised. Wherever I’ve gone with this in academia, they’ve said: the man has lost his mind. Today they’re already talking differently. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards, I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing.”

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Wizard of Oz
  119. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I fear they might be under-estimating the world’s capacity to ignore.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  120. Banner and flag supporting Israel were hung on a bridge over a busy Tehran road after the assassination of Iran’s top nuclear scientist.

    Lots of support in Iran for Israel. Get rid of the Mullahs.
    https://worldisraelnews.com/israeli-flag-and-banner-thank-you-mossad-hung-on-bridge-in-tehran/

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @A123
  121. The Fake News battle is at a boiling point. And now it also includes Fake Science and Fake Elections.

    The “Left” is at full “anyone we don’t like or agree with is illegitimate”. The Right feels it has been lied to too many times and are no longer want to be “good goys” slurping up whatever the experts tell them.

    There are no agreed upon sources any more. This can’t abide. Trouble ahead.

    This all started when Jews started manipulating science 75-100 years ago to serve the tribe.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  122. @AnonStarter

    This story has been picked up by MiddleEastEye as well:

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-aliens-mars-life-real-trump-knows-space

    A new Twitter account calling itself “Galactic Federation Official” said that since their “existence has been revealed” they would begin accepting human members of the organisation on a case-by-case basis:

    Galactic Federation Official
    @GalacticFeder10
    The #GalacticFederation has been watching your species for a long while. We cannot admit the human species, but due to the circumstances of our reveal by Haim Eshed, we have agreed to admit specific individuals of high moral caliber. Follow to learn more.
    7:30 PM · Dec 7, 2020
    110 people are Tweeting about this

    However, a number of users appeared to take his comments seriously.

    Brian Roemmele, editor of conspiracy theory website Multiplex magazine, tweeted that in “100 years this subject will be what defined 2020”.

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
    , @Talha
  123. bjondo says:

    Beaten Biden beating Trump same as this
    guy beating Husain Bolt in 100 meters with
    Bolt having a 5 seconds lead start:

    https://time.com/119370/worlds-heaviest-man-dies/

    Can happen only by hook by crook judged by crooks.

    5ds

  124. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Lots of support in Iran for Israel. Get rid of the Mullahs.’

    You could go there, Fran. Rally the troops.

    • LOL: Talha, AnonStarter
  125. Diana Johnstone appears to be naive, suggesting that we should just let the silicon valley oligarchs that are tryimg to impose their tyrannical, preadatory will on America, and use terrorism, fraud, extortion, bait and switch, and cannibalism as business models, should just be told well you can have a mansion and retire and hand everything over to the state. Johnstone acknowledges the sadistic level of control and medical and techno-fascism in a diabolically evil Orwellian, techno-fascist dystopian horror that surpassed the Nazis, and being led by Hitler 2.0 Klaus Schwab, WEF founder! Hey, I have an idea for a business model, I will control all of the richest people in the world, and then use them to impose my will on the entire planet! That is Klaus Schwab! The problem with this theory is that corruption, fraud, and predation are rampant in America and have completely destroyed it. Unfortunately, there is a segment of the population that literally has no sense of right or wrong at all, and as a result of that the only thing that deters them from those crimes are fear of punishment. This punishment is not merely intended as pointless punishment, but to protect the rest of society from a psychopathic criminal element that has no regard for people, their rights, or their property who have chosen to abuse their free will by violating the rights and property of others and by engaging in fraud and terrorism. Imagine what Germany would be like without the Nuremburg trials and if all of the Nazis were just given mansions instead. It would look exactly like America, because while the Nuremburg trials were taking place, radiation experiments werre taking place in universities and hospitals throughout America, including on pregnant women and new borns, and was soon followed by MKULTRA, which has grown, and grown, and grown, under DARPA!

    Prosecute the psychopaths! The future of humanity depends on it! Time is of the essence!

    These individuals are psychopaths. Their behavior is pathological. They have proven it since 1993 ! 

    Andrea Iravani

  126. @AnonStarter

    Some are saying the aliens are being set up as the next “Great Fear” since communism, Russia, China, ISIS, Al Qaida, terrorism, pandemic, etc. are losing their power to generate fear among the people. FWIW see:

    Unacknowledged

    Reveals the historic files of the Disclosure Project and how UFO secrecy has been ruthlessly enforced-and why. The best evidence for extraterrestrial contact, dating back decades, is presented with direct top-secret witness testimony, documents and UFO footage, 80% of which has never been revealed anywhere else.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6400614/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

    Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind: Contact Has Begun

    Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind presents the most controversial information ever released to the public. Whistleblowers and scientific experts bring viewers face to face with extraterrestrial visitors and their message for humanity.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  127. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Bro, if you are interested – and anyone else who would like a translation of a classic primer into Islamic creed/metaphysics (if you are interested in this sort of stuff)…

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    …just heard about a great deal on a recently translated comprehensive text regarding the Maturidi school (the Central Asians being its champions) and its positions on various topics of debate. The English translation is side by side with the original Arabic matn (which I hope more and more translators decide to do).

    https://www.meccabooks.com/2022-an-introduction-to-islamic-theology-imam-nur-al-din-al-sabunis-al-bidayah-fi-usul-al-din-the-zaytuna-curriculum-series.html?search_query=sabuni&results=8

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  128. Mr. Carpenter said, “The barbarian species must not be allowed to explore space, or they will corrupt and destroy the others.”

    Gort agreed, “But it seems my services may not be needed. By the time of our return, they will have done the job themselves.”

    “Yes, Gort,” replied Mr. Carpenter, “karma’s a bitch.”

    Gort raised his visor and managed a subtle wink.

    • LOL: Talha
  129. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Home Free sings Quarantine:

    https://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=1MMBJJNU

    5 dancing shlomos/bjondo

  130. @OutsideMan

    Let’s just say if the Galactic Federation is allied with Israel, it’s time to find another galaxy.

    In the meantime, may this ruse reach an enjoyable conclusion.

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  131. Dear Mr. Unz:

    Thank you for publishing a variety of views about the corona virus and vaccines.

    In comments, I have criticized Steve Sailer — whom I admire, as I admire you — for his one-sided approach to this subject, and I have sometimes mistakenly lumped you in with him. While your own writings (now long past, it seems) have been on Steve’s side of this, your work as the editor of this webzine has more than made up for that, and I thank you.

    Sincerely,
    Buzz Mohawk, appreciative reader

  132. @AnonStarter

    Does Israel have allies? An enjoyable conclusion, IMHO, is they have found a new host to parasitize… in galaxy far, far away.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  133. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Banner and flag supporting Israel were hung on a bridge over a busy Tehran road after the assassination of Iran’s top nuclear scientist.

    Lots of support in Iran for Israel. Get rid of the Mullahs.

    You are correct.

    The Iranian people want to be free. Replacing the Shah with the Ayatollahs traded one form of abuse for a different form of oppression. There will not be another Ayatollah after this one.

    The next leader of Iran is most likely to be a General with financial ties to Iran’s State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. While still unfriendly to “The West”, a rational leader would:

    — End decades of humiliating losses & expensive subsidies to Lebanon.
    — Reinvigorate commerce and personal income for the average Iranian.

    Both of which lead to ending terrorism and rejoining the community of civilized nations.

    PEACE 😇

  134. The psychopaths are united around totalitarianism, whether fascist or Marxist, globalist or nationalist that involves violating the 1st and 4th amendment rights of others, fraud, and theft, they resoundingly are in agreement that individualism and liberty are the biggest threats to their existences, which is hardly surprising, since they are parasites whose very existences depend on violating the 1st and 4th amendment rights of others!

    They belong in prison! 

    Many 2020 Trump and Biden propagandists will now find 
    themslves to be victims of their own crimes, foolishly propagandizing for either of these candidates that both perpetrated the totalitarian  crimes against humanity of the 
    Covid-19 response, and both Trump and Biden opportunistically used this act of fraud to their advantage. To assert that these propagandists simply were unaware of the grave dangers that the lock downs, violations of freedom of assembly, forced mask wearing, medical vaccine fraud, and gross 4th amendment violations through contact tracing, and tech companies and government agencies seizing all health records, is simply and totally unbelieveable! They willfully chose to incite mass hysteria and mass suffering and use it to their political advantage.

    Only psychopaths would be capable of such unforgiveable and grave crimes against humanity! This has been in both main stream and alternative media that these evil, self-serving, paid speech propagandists committed these acts of fraud! 

    Many Trump propagandists that claim to be journalists refused to place any blame at all on Trump, even if they opposed the lock downs, masks, testing, vaccines, contact tracing, and social distancing, in fact, they are still propagandizing on Trump’s behalf! They have lost all credibility! They may as well all be 
    Wolf Blitzer or Rachel Maddow, because they are every bit as full of shit, and every bit as corrupt! 

    Consider the impact that they could have had if they blamed Trump in addidtion to the states! Maybe it would have stopped immediately! They simply were too God damned fucking chicken shit to ruffle any feathers during the election cycle! If there is one thing that America is not lacking it is spineless pathological liars! Now, some are suddenely speaking out against the vaccines! One year late and $6.5 trillion and counting short! 

    Not for nothing but you are not exactly Patriotic Americans! Do the world a favor and shut the fuck up if you are incapable of impartiality! Journalists are supposed to be non-partisan! Journalists are supposed to uncover government corruption, not cover it up, which happens to be what the propagandists specialize in! You are failures, and you have failed America! You suck! Shove a monolith up your ass! 

    A partisan “journalist” is techinically referred to as a propagandist, shit for brains! 

    Andrea Iravani

  135. The Godly Way…

    A blessed Nativity Season to all!

  136. Talha says:

    Who keeps electing these people?

    Peace.

  137. @OutsideMan

    An enjoyable conclusion, IMHO, is they have found a new host to parasitize… in galaxy far, far away.

    This presumes two things:

    1. The alien shtick is genuine, and
    2. If so, Israel would be content with only one galaxy.

    • LOL: Talha, OutsideMan
  138. Where we are today:

    ‘Brownstein: Republicans Need to Accept Biden’s Victory Was Fair’

    Response: Brownstein is a Jew. He writes for The Atlantic.

    Brownstein needs to be hung from a telephone pole. It’s a shame, but that is where we are today.

  139. @OutsideMan

    ‘Does Israel have allies?’

    Israel has patsies — never allies. A relationship between Israel and another state like that which, say, existed in the first part of the Twentieth century between Britain and France would be inconceivable.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @OutsideMan
  140. Israel’s really not even bothering to hide it any more.

    It wasn’t just her capitol that was moved to Jerusalem.

    https://colinwrightssite.wordpress.com/2020/12/13/the-way-to-a-mans-heart-is-through-his-stomach/

  141. bjondo says:

    Why is this song played plentiful times at Christmas?

    I’d heard there was a secret chord
    That David played and it pleased the Lord
    But you don’t really care for music, do you?
    Well, it goes like this
    The fourth, the fifth, the minor fall, the major lift
    The baffled king composing Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Well, your faith was strong but you needed proof
    You saw her bathing on the roof
    Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew ya
    She tied you to the kitchen chair

    [MORE]

    She broke your throne and she cut your hair
    And from your lips, she drew the Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Well baby, I’ve been here before
    I’ve seen this room and I’ve walked this floor
    I used to live alone before I knew ya
    And I’ve seen your flag on the marble arch
    And love is not a victory march
    It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah
    Well, maybe there’s a God above
    But all I’ve ever learned from love
    Was how to shoot somebody who outdrew ya
    And it’s not a cry that you hear at night
    It’s not somebody who’s seen the light
    It’s a cold and it’s a broken Hallelujah
    Hallelujah, Hallelujah

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @anon
  142. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @bjondo

    Song is, Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen.

  143. @Colin Wright

    Israel has patsies — never allies.

    I’m reminded of the late nineties espionage scandal that should have been front page news throughout the country, a story broken by J. Michael Waller and Paul M. Rodriguez of the now defunct Insight Magazine. The FBI had discovered a massive surveillance operation run by Israel, one that compromised communication networks in the White House, National Security Council, Pentagon, and State Department.

    Here was the assessment of one American intel veteran:

    “The Israelis conduct intelligence as if they are at war. That’s something we have to realize,” says David Major, a retired FBI supervisory special agent and former director of counterintelligence at the NSC. While the U.S. approach to intelligence is much more relaxed, says Major, the very existence of Israel is threatened and it regards itself as is in a permanent state of war. “There are a lot less handcuffs on intelligence for a nation that sees itself at war,” Major observes, but “that doesn’t excuse it from our perspective.”

    Unfortunately, it appeared to do just that.

    What other country would be able to get away with such activity by arguing that it “sees itself at war”?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  144. @AnonStarter

    You just cost me $20.00.

    I went to your link, saw it was the Wayback Machine, realized that these days, that really does need to be preserved, and contributed my widow’s mite.

    The swine can rationalize censoring Faceback, Youtube, Twitter, etc — hopefully they’ll find it more awkward to demand the Wayback Machine be policed.

    Anyway, we can squeak in protest as we go down.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  145. A123 says:

    It is amazing how much PEACE Trump’s Administration has helped create in the Middle East:

    — Morocco signed an agreement with Israel. (1)
    — Bhutan improved diplomatic contacts with Israel. (2)

    No one believes the Pallywood deception anymore. There are a few low-IQ, violent, Warmongering TROLLS, like NonStarter, that provide comic relief with propaganda like this, Israeli Justice: Murder Excused by Mere “Belief” of Threat. Rational human beings of all faiths and races grasp the TRUTH:

    Israeli Self Defense Fully Justified by Iranian Backed Terrorist Grenade Threats
    ___

    The double standard is so extreme and transparent, the Taqiyya Trolls do achieve one thing…. Self Humiliation.

    The Nasrallah-Shima blast from Iranian al’Hezbollah Munitions Depot #12 killed Hundreds and injured Thousands. The Pallywood Propaganda machine says nothing.

    Why are non-Palestinian Muslims incapable of coping with the TRUTH?

    The Muslim Colonization and Occupation of Jewish Palestine has failed. Seventy+ years of trying to steal land from Palestinian Jews has made things worse for Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

    PEACE 😇

    “Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”

    — Sudden Death (Novel) by Rita Mae Brown, 1983 —

    _______

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/opinion/morocco-israel-ties-should-not-be-taken-for-granted-opinion-652009

    (2) https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/12/israel-and-bhutan-establish-diplomatic-relations

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  146. @Colin Wright

    Thanks, Colin.

    I recommend saving those pages to an external hard drive as well, since we never know how just far they’re going to reach.

  147. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-court-okays-community-service-plea-deal-for-soldier-who-killed-palestinian/

    A military court approved a plea bargain on Wednesday which gives a soldier three months of community service for the wrongful shooting of two Palestinians, one of whom died.

    According to military prosecutors, Alaa Ghiyada, 38, was shot in the stomach multiple times by the soldier in March on the side of a road near Bethlehem. The soldier, who has not been identified publicly, said that he had incorrectly believed Ghiyada was throwing rocks at passersby.

    Ahmad Manasrah, 23, who arrived on the scene and attempted to help Ghiyada, was also shot by the same soldier and died of his wounds. All sides now agree no stones were thrown and that both Manasrah and Ghiyada were innocent.

    Unnamed soldier gets a slap on the wrist for claiming “it was all a terrible mistake.”

    And how can we really call this a plea bargain if the families of the victims wanted justice?

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  148. Talha says:

    Looks like kingdom of Morocco is making a deal; recognize the land we claim and we will recognize the land you claim – very interesting…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @SaneClownPosse
  149. Talha says:
    @Talha

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  150. @Colin Wright

    Exactly what I was driving at… eventually that will blowback on them.

    • Replies: @A123
  151. A123 says:
    @OutsideMan

    Exactly what I was driving at… eventually that will blowback on them.

    Shia “mistakes” are much worse and more frequent than Jewish or Christian ones.

    Hundreds dead and Thousands injured by the Nasrallah-Shima Blast in Beirut has earned severe blowback against Iranian meddling in Lebanon.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sarz
  152. @Talha

    True.

    Officially, Egypt is quite pleased with the Moroccan deal.

    Now ask a man on the streets of Cairo.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Fran Taubman
  153. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I’ve wondered how things would play out. I mean, when the Mahdi ra arrives, who are the other players in charge of the Ummah at the time? Will they willingly step down/aside? What does he point to, when the helm of the Ummah is given to him and he accepts it reluctantly, that grants him legitimacy to replace the existing order?

    I can’t say I know exactly how things will play out, but it looks like these various regimes are setting themselves up and are blind to the reality.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  154. bjondo says:

    #158) Shooting Palestinians is Yid community service.
    —————————————————————————–
    #161) These leaders need heads chopped and piked.
    —————————————————————————–

    The military would fight for President Trump.

    Biden, Harris might get yawns.

    Take note Gen Milly Vanilly as you are returned to latrine duty.

    https://www.oann.com/michie-stadium-gives-president-trump-standing-ovation-ahead-of-army-navy-game/
    —————————————————–

    Trump certified President today or very soon.

    ———————————————————
    Inmates Biden, Harris, Fauxci, Gates, Soros, Cuomo, ilk
    “enjoy” bat soup for Thanksgiving 2021 inside Guantanamo.

    5 dancing shlomos

  155. @AnonStarter

    How does he deal with that funny old-fashioned idea that nothing can travel faster than light and that the nearest exiplanets where life could exist are many light years away?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  156. @Wielgus

    Indded. Isn’t murdering Sulameini a pretty good de facto signal that the US is at war? Wouldn’t the sinking of a couple of tankers by stealth (undetected or just deniable means) cause them all to stop?

  157. @Father Coughlin

    Yep, I date it back to all that hokum about atoms splitting an releasing fantastic power? Didn’t Einstein become a squionaire after the launch of that IPO Niagara Fission Power?

    • Replies: @Father Coughlin
  158. @Talha

    I can’t say I know exactly how things will play out, but it looks like these various regimes are setting themselves up and are blind to the reality.

    Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “If the Resurrection were established upon one of you while he has in his hand a sapling, then let him plant it.”

    I’m quite happy with not sitting in the throne, alhamdulillah. The life of this world is difficult enough without all of that responsibility.

    was-salaam.

    • Agree: Talha
  159. @Wizard of Oz

    How does he deal with that funny old-fashioned idea that nothing can travel faster than light and that the nearest exiplanets where life could exist are many light years away?

    I’m beginning to sense some anti-Semitism here.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  160. sarz says:
    @A123

    It wasn’t Shia and it was no mistake. Just a very small chapter in Judeo-genocides. G_d says, Leave nothing alive that breathes. So while not a mistake it wasn’t the proper mitzvah it might have been..

    • Replies: @A123
  161. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Steve & Ron,

    I was wondering if it would be worth the effort to put together a crowd-sourced archive of the incidents of the various types of “vote adjustment” that went on in the late election?

    I think an archive could be of tremendous value to people writing books or articles on the event.

    Not sure how it would work, but I’d be glad to help if this is of interest.

    Best and thanks for your work on behalf of America.

    Greg Harmon
    San Fran

    • Replies: @A123
  162. A123 says:
    @Anon

    I was wondering if it would be worth the effort to put together a crowd-sourced archive of the incidents of the various types of “vote adjustment” that went on in the late election?

    Here is a crowd sourced repository for election irregularities.

    https://hereistheevidence.com

    PEACE 😇

  163. A123 says:
    @sarz

    Just a very small chapter in Judeo-genocides.

    It certainly was a chapter in Muslim genocides targeting defenseless Judeo-Christians. Iranian al’Hezbollah kept the material for the Nasrallah-Shima blast in a primarily Christian area to use them as human shields.

    It wasn’t Shia and it was no mistake.

    Interesting take. Certainly sociopath Ayatollah Khameni and the degenerates of Iranian al’Hezbollah are terrible at Shia doctrine. So you could at some level say that anything to do with the ultimate evil of Khameni is “not Shia”.

    Not a mistake is also interesting. Sociopath Khameni with reckless premediation created the conditions for the Nasrallah-Shima blast. While the timing may have been accident the Deaths and Injuries created by Iranian al’Hezbollah were intentional, thus not a mistake.
    ___

    You are quite enlightening about the horrors of Iranian funded Jihadi Murder of innocent Judeo-Christians.

    PEACE 😇

  164. Anon[240] • Disclaimer says:

    “The Unz Review Reviewed” often deploys a pattern of thought, a philosophy, that was prevalent in Mao’s China. Yale professor Denise Ho explains this thinking in her recent book, “Curating Revolution.” In the Cultural Revolution, any small misstep, any artifact, was sufficient to constitute, in Ms. Ho’s translation from the Mandarin, a broad “proof of crime” or “ironclad evidence”; and so off you go. One now observes this pattern in the U.S. The Unz website produces some material that Ron has bemoaned as “unhinged” or “deranged.” The existence of such writing must not be viewed as “proof of crime” of the entire website, surmounting the remarkable wealth of information and analysis. But I confess, I have fears that, surmount it it will.

  165. https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/reps-gabbard-and-massie-bill-repeal-government-surveillance-laws-which-threaten

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/530498-massie-gabbard-team-up-on-bill-to-repeal-the-patriot-act

    Massie, Gabbard team up on bill to repeal the Patriot Act

    The Protect Our Civil Liberties Act would repeal both the Patriot Act and the FISA Amendments Act that permitted government agencies to collect mass telephone and email data. Gabbard and Massie argue that this surveillance violates Americans’ right to privacy and their civil liberties.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @A123
  166. @OutsideMan

    You can’t keep a good girl down.

    • Agree: OutsideMan
    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  167. By By Jihadist. Maybe you can find some crusader types on the moon and fire missiles at them.

    All those Arab Muslims countries are dropping like flies, one by one to sign on with Israel. Bhutan and then Oman and Indonesia want peace and recognition of Israel as the Jewish state. It must be so frustrating to see the Al Quds dream go up in smoke. All those Hezbollah missiles stored in civilian neighborhoods for nothing. Hezbollah will pay. Their boss Nesrallah is on the run in Iran bidding behind the Mullahs.

    https://www.jpost.com/international/israel-normalizes-ties-with-bhutan-651904?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Israel+normalizes+ties+with+Bhutan&utm_campaign=Dec+12+night

    https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/oman-indonesia-likely-next-countries-to-forge-ties-with-israel-651962?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Oman%2C+Indonesia+likely+next+countries+to+forge+ties+with+Israel&utm_campaign=Dec+13+day

  168. @AnonStarter

    Do you actually no anyone on the street in Cairo? Do you know any Arab Muslim residing in the Middle East?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  169. @Fran Taubman

    Why should I answer these questions?

    Let’s face it: You’re not exactly the kind of person prepared to ditch her hasbara based on what and whom I know.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Fran Taubman
  170. @Colin Wright

    Unfortunately, this is probably her last hurrah… at least in Congress.

  171. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I’ve been to Egypt. I was welcomed as a Jew and an Israeli. One ferryman on the Nile, started spontaneously telling me how anti-falasteen he was, and how pro-Israel. But in that case, I think he wanted handsome baksheesh lol 🙂 It was a bit weird, because there was no indication I was Israeli.

    I have flown to Asia several times from Amman. Israelis do this a lot because its cheaper to some destinations, and I noticed the Israelis were treated with warmth and friendliness, especially the girls lol.

    The average Arab is not particularly hostile to Israel. The “cold” peace with Egypt and Jordan, is an elite phenomenon. Those countries find it mighty convenient to deflect negative attention away from themselves, onto an “enemy” . They will not lightly surrender such a convenient tool.

    It is also the result of the well known fact that fanatic fringes set the tone, as everyone is terrified of them. The Talhas, AnonStarters, Colin Wrights, terrify everyone else into submission. The Palestinians would have made peace decades ago – indeed there never would have been a conflict, and Israel would have been much smaller lol – if not for the fanatic fringe.

    I have actually encountered more antisemitism and anti Israel views, among American and European Muslims than those actually in the Middke East lol, because I think it serves as a way of clinging to their identity.

    Personally, I think we just should have kept the Sinai 🙂 Egypt was beaten and exhausted, and never would have made war again. That she sued for peace, is evidence enough. And she should suffer consequences for making war. The “cold” peace we have, we would have had anyways.

    But it simply would have looked terrible for Israel not to be willing to return the Sinai. And we couldn’t say no to the Americans. Politically, Israel returned captured land 3 times, Sinai, Gaza, and Lebanon. The political benefit of this, has been massive. Torn to shreds was the absurd attempt to paint Israel as an aggressive, expansionist state. Jewish nationalism received a major boost among Leftists, and may actually serve as a template to rehabilitate nationalism on reconstructed grounds.

    It was good for the world to see, that not all nationalisms are aggressive.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  172. A123 says:
    @AnonStarter

    NonStarter,

    ROTFLMAO

    You are a proven liar, Taqiyya TROLL, and are 100% incapable of change.

    And, you have the arrogance to complain that someone will not alter their opinion based on your painfully obvious deception!

    WOW!!! I am going to laugh at you all day on that one. Please, keep the comedy coming.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  173. What??? Pakistan next!!!

    There is a good interview on this site.

    https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/pakistani-officials-may-have-met-with-israelis-amid-rumor-of-peace-deal-652408?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=European+Court+of+Justice+approves+Belgian+kosher+slaughter+ban&utm_campaign=Dec+17+day

    Among those who have spoken out about this possibility is Noor Dahri the founder of the British think tank Islamic Theology of Counter Terrorism.

    But Dahri in his i24 interview said that in the past said that former Pakistani Prime Ministers Nawaz Sharif set two delegations to Israel to explore normalization of ties and Benazir Bhutto met with a Israeli delegation in Washington and sent a delegation to Israel. 

    Pakistan has been publicly hostile to Israel over the Palestinian issue, but there is a long history of covert ties between the two countries, Dahri said in a telephone interview with The Jerusalem Post.

  174. A123 says:
    @OutsideMan

    Tulsi Gabbard is on the right track.

    https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-bill-block-transgender-girls-women-sports-1554068

    She is not wanted in the DNC. And, she sounds more & more like Trump every day.

    How long until she changes parties?

    PEACE 😇
     

  175. Wow!

    A three-pronged siege of Zionazis has descended upon me all at once.

    I must be doing something right. 😎

    • Agree: OutsideMan
    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Art
  176. @Wizard of Oz

    Muh Einstein (an example that might be correct) vs. 100s of examples of perversion of science just to make ONE PEOPLE “feel more comfortable” that “the nations” won’t be up to anything that might actually help themselves.

  177. @AaronB

    ‘…And she should suffer consequences for making war…’

    So Israel ‘made war’ in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1982, 2006, and 2008, Aaron. In fact, unique among modern states (including Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union), Israel has attacked every single one of her neighbors.

    What consequences should Israel suffer?

    You know, in a way I appreciate your posting. Absent your useful prompts, I might lack occasion to lay out my favorite anti-Israel points.

    • Replies: @A123
  178. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Islam made war in:

    1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956 … 2008, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2917, 2018, 2018, 2019, 2020….

    What consequences should Islam suffer?

    I appreciate your posting. Without your genocidal ranting about the Anti-Christ Muhammad, some might accidentally believe the blood cult of Deathslam as reasonable.

    Thank you for your open endorsement of the horror brought by “The Lord of Lies” Satan/Allah/Lucifer. Absent your useful prompts, I might lack the occasion to lay out the truth about your Lord Satan.

    PEACE 😇

  179. @AnonStarter

    Let’s face it: You’re not exactly the kind of person prepared to ditch her hasbara based on what and whom I know.

    You know no-one. Literally no one. You are captive to your own captivity. An American convert to Islam. You have no Muslim roots, no Muslim history, no Muslim family. You are clueless. You know no one from the Arab world who lives and works there.

    So yeah one could say you have created a universe of your own deception, and the Arab street and the man in Cairo that you constantly claim hate Israel and the Jews is a fantasy of your own making, because you no one living on the Arab Street. Everyone but insane Jihadist wants peace with Israel.
    It is over for Jihadist and their fantasy. Over. Not because the Palestinians did not have a good cause, because the world moves on to more pressing problems. They thought they could play their game forever and whittle Israel down to nothing.

    Refugees you say??? Do you know how many times Poland changed hands and each time from Russia to Germany to Lithuania refugees were created not being able to return home? Some how refugees figure it out like after a generation or two, unless you want to wear being a refugee as a badge for political reasons. People catch on and move on.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  180. Art says:

    The Jews may have a weak before their coerced sugar daddy – the US government falls.

    The election is a total fraud.

    The Jew media is doing its best to shut up everyone – but the truth is to big.

    Hmm — Supreme Court John Roberts on Epstein plane – totally compromised ???

    p.s. Trump may be the most honest person in all of DC.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  181. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    A three-pronged siege of Zionazis has descended upon me all at once.

    It is their last hu-rah – the Jews and their media are being exposed for their part in the stolen election.

    There is just to much evidence of the election theft.

    Trump wins or there will be a revolt.

  182. @Fran Taubman

    You know no-one. Literally no one.

    You’re absolutely correct.

    Well, I know you, but you’re literally no one. 🙂

  183. @Art

    You are hopeless Art. Most Jews agree the election was stolen, and want Trump to win.

  184. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Refugees you say??? Do you know how many times Poland changed hands and each time from Russia to Germany to Lithuania refugees were created not being able to return home? Some how refugees figure it out like after a generation or two, unless you want to wear being a refugee as a badge for political reasons. People catch on and move on.’

    Are you comparing Israel to Stalinist Russia or to Nazi Germany?

  185. bjondo says:

    From RFK’s, The Defender:

    Police Launch Investigation Into Death of Vaccine Safety Advocate Brandy Vaughn
    Brandy Vaughn, a Merck whistleblower (she began her career as a top Merck rep) who became an outspoken advocate for safe vaccines, founded Learn The Risk to fight the wave of mandatory vaccination laws initiated by the pharmaceutical industry.

    Brandy died suddenly on Dec. 7.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/police-launch-investigation-death-brandy-vaughn/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=7ef25752-d4e8-46ed-b0ca-842dc57a8e61

    IN OTHER NEWS:

    Biden/Harris supporters fill a park bench – 2 pigeons waiting for popcorn.

    Trump supporters, Americans, fill mega stadiums with more supporters in long lines outside.

    Self-serving Mitch fills a toilet.

    PERSONALITIES, EVIL:

    Ezekiel Emanuel (from William Hawes)

    Mr. Emanuel has been picked to be a part of Biden’s Covid-19 task force. He is the brother of the one and only Rahm Emanuel, a real piece of work in his own right (who was Obama’s chief of staff, and Chicago’s former mayor). Ezekiel is a medical doctor, and chair of Medical Ethics (this is relevant) at University of Pennsylvania.

    He managed to write a piece in The Atlantic in 2014: “Why I Hope to Die at 75”. He lists quite a few reasons, such as the declining quality of life for seniors. Then, he shows his true colors, because he explains that one of the major factors in his view is how seniors are no longer contributing to society, and therefore create strains on health care, the economy, etc. He writes that “but the fact is that by 75, creativity, originality, and productivity are pretty much gone for the vast, vast majority of us”. Oh really now? He continues: “The deadline [of dying at 75] also forces each of us to ask whether our consumption is worth our contribution.”

    Hang on, there’s more. In a 2019 interview with MIT Technology Review, Emmanuel doubles down and says that:

    “When I look at what [the elderly] do, almost all of it is what I classify as play. It’s not meaningful work. They’re riding motorcycles; they’re hiking. Which can all have value—don’t get me wrong. But if it’s the main thing in your life? Ummm, that’s not probably a meaningful life.”

    Zeke, go early, collect 200 shekels, drop straight to Hell.

    5 dancing shlomos

  186. Anon[270] • Disclaimer says:

    This is a piece of feedback, nothing else.

    These days, many non-aligned blogs are shutting down, for fear of consequences about the growingly dispotic climate that one can breathe in the USA.

    Meanwhile, I come back to read your site after a hiatus of a couple months, and I find the commitment to being loyal to the 1st Amendment, and the consistency between what the site states it is and what it is, even more solid than before.
    The commitment to give a microphone to everyone is astonishing, and this is the only site I know where accepting all points of view isn’t only a verbal proposition but a practice.

    Sincerely, I am surprised high-up authorities haven’t stepped in to prevent the site from doing its work. I am also very glad they haven’t.

  187. Jimmy Dore, burnin’ down the house… he doesn’t name (((names))) but he is poking some folks in the eye.

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  188. @Ron Unz

    Yet again to catch your eye Ron with something relevant to UR and, specifically what you have written. First about something my memory tells me didn’t get a mention in your Covid 19 articles and replies. Listen to what is said by Quadrant editor Keith Windschuttle (1960s Maoist student, I believe, now fully rehabilitated by, inter alia, mid 90s “,The Killng of History”) in “Between the Lines”

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/2020:-the-year-in-review/12970080

    He makes the point that the reason for much of the Covid 19 disaster in Europe was the importing of the disease by cheap Chinese labor returning to work in Europe. That becomes even more important when one notes the omission of any analysis of Chinese travel to Iran in the UR expressions of suspicion about the early outbreak there.

    Also on the program was the delightful and intelligent Jacinta Price, daughter of Aboriginal former politician Bess Price and one who, though with white father, identifies as Walpiri. She has, as confirmed on the program, come out strongly against Black Lives Matter and even speaks of black-on-black violence!!

  189. @Ron Unz

    And, Ron, further to your articles (The Myth of American Meritocracy etc) here is a list of school leavers’ prizes in public examinations in New South Wales where the Jewish population is about 1 per cent. I spotted only two Jewish names in a long list, both for Classical Hebrew.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  190. @OutsideMan

    Again with the URL deletion. It’s there when I preview the comment, but gone the next time I come back. Why?

  191. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Virus 18/19/20/21 could be gift
    of the ever-evil pompeo-haspel.

    5ds

  192. bjondo says:

    Let us celebrate today together to the reelection of President Trump.

    This will take a few more days for the corrupt and slow to acknowledge.

    But this is inevitable. A 20 million vote shortage by Joe a no go.

    A no go to the White House but a direct shot to Guantanamo.

    The Devil takes his own.
    Good bye Bidens and Clintons and Podestas
    and Mr Evil, Geo Soros. A raging, fiery end for you.

    5ds

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @anon
  193. @Talha

    Israel gets peace and We get endless war. Such a deal!

    • Replies: @A123
  194. A123 says:
    @SaneClownPosse

    Let me — Fix That For You:

    Israel and the U.S. (a.k.a. Infidels) get peace. We Iranian Muslims get endless war. Such a deal!

    The Iranian people removing sociopath Khameni and his “revolutionary deal”, would save huge numbers of Muslim lives (not to mention Christian lives and Jewish lives). The Ayatollahs’ deals are deadly to everyone.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  195. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @bjondo

    Vote update:

    Trump – at least 88 million
    Biden – maximum 18 million
    (13 million fakes)

    Elsewhere DC:

    J. Roberts not expected to hang self before Christmas.
    Breyer applying for a Lox n’ Bagels Is Me franchise.

    Biden’s appointments blowin’ in the wind.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  196. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘And, Ron, further to your articles (The Myth of American Meritocracy etc) here is a list of school leavers’ prizes in public examinations in New South Wales where the Jewish population is about 1 per cent. I spotted only two Jewish names in a long list, both for Classical Hebrew.’

    Well, if I gather your drift here correctly, it’s that Jews aren’t really smarter than the rest of us. I can sympathize: that they are smarter is a mildly unpalatable idea. As with most unpalatable ideas, we’re tempted to decide it isn’t so.

    Unfortunately, reality isn’t determined by our preferences. My own experience suggests that Jews are indeed, perceptibly smarter on average than the average white gentile. Two points, though.

    [MORE]

    First, I don’t think the difference is as great as some would have it. It’s only supposedly nine IQ points or whatever — and if one factors out the almost desperate Jewish compulsion to achieve academically and to parade their intelligence, then that already less than huge difference diminishes. Three or four points, on average? Maybe six. I dunno.

    Second — and much more important — we are not members of some Borg collective. We are individuals. It doesn’t matter if Jew _____ is part of some definable collective with an average IQ somewhat higher than the average IQ of the collective I am part of.

    I am, above all, an individual, and so is Jew ____. Without naming names, I know I am far smarter than Jew _____ is — regardless of what club Jew _____ can claim membership in.

    So Jew ______ can take that membership card and wear it in good health. It means exactly nothing.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  197. @Colin Wright

    I don’t dispute a word you say except to point out that my comment was following up on articles (particularly the long one mentioned, originally I think in TAC) by Ron in which he pointed to a decline in Jewish academic results ,especially when compared to Asians. I may have mentioned previously the Chinese accountant I spoke to many years ago who had a daughter with scholarship to the well regarded Methodist Ladies College and also had Jewish partners who lamented the slackness of their children. What does one expect? In the US one of the kids of first or second generation Russian or Polish Jews born in America is brightest and most hardworking of seven children and wins Nobel Prize for science. Next generation makes big fortune on Wall Street and the next – just one or two kids – experiments with pot and polo ponies . A residue of superior verbal ability does get the girls excited by the charm and the daughters are a hoot, great company between visits to the analyst sharpening up material for the comedy.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  198. @anon

    I’m not sure why you are writing here but I wonder how Jewish you think Breyer J. is? Married to a member of the old Anvlo-Irish aristocracy if memory is correct. And something of an amateur scholar of French literature. I doubt if Zion calls.

    • Troll: Art
  199. Bearing in mind that it was published in The New Yorker about two years ago, this particular piece on Hebron remains indicative of its status quo. It’s a nice antidote to the toxic myth of “balanced blame” so often repeated in the mainstream:

    A Guided Tour of Hebron, from Two Sides of the Occupation

    Regular harassment of Palestinian activists:

    Like all Palestinians in Tel Rumeida, Amro has to go through a checkpoint in order to buy groceries and again to bring them home, or to fill his kitchen-stove tank with propane. He has to carry the tank on his back, because Palestinians are not allowed to drive within the neighborhood. On one afternoon and evening in Hebron, I observed Amro cross checkpoints a half-dozen times, and not once did the soldiers pass up an opportunity to harass him: now demanding a body search, now screaming insults at him, now informing him that, as of a half hour earlier, passage to a Palestinian-owned souvenir shop was closed to Palestinians. The soldiers know Amro for his activism, and ongoing harassment of him appears to be a regular part of their job.

    Jews regularly hurl garbage and acid at Arabs (other reports have shown excrement is also among the rubbish):

    On the tour, we descended the steep hill on which Amro lives, went through a checkpoint, and walked the street that runs along the base of the hill, the main commercial thoroughfare of the part of Hebron where Palestinians are still allowed to drive, walk, and shop. For a second it felt like we were in a covered market, but this was because the street is fenced in from the top, with a sort of wire net intended to protect the Palestinian traders and their customers from rocks, bottles, and trash thrown by Israeli settlers who live on the street just above. Amro pointed at metal sheeting placed over a section of the net; it is meant to guard against acid that settlers pour down, to destroy the goods sold here. “I’ve seen it twice,” Amro told me. “I’ve seen the earth boiling here.”

    [MORE]

    IDF veterans testify to Israel’s instigation of conflict:

    Yehuda Shaul, a co-founder of Breaking the Silence, was then in his last year of mandatory service in the I.D.F.; of his three years in the military, he spent fourteen months in Hebron. On his first day in the city, a commanding officer told him to use a grenade machine gun to fire at Palestinian houses hundreds of metres away. Shaul says that he was shocked at this assignment at first, but within weeks he came to accept it as normal. By the end of his time in Hebron, he was engaged in a practice that he told me is known in the I.D.F. as “making our presence felt”: on an average night, around three in the morning, he and a group of soldiers would break into a Palestinian home, wake everyone up, turn the house upside down, “finish the search, leave the house, make some noise, throw some shock grenades, jump on the roof, climb down onto a balcony, wake up another family—and this is how you pass your eight-hour shift.”

    Israeli restrictions have nothing to do with security:

    At the beginning of their tours, both Amro and Shaul show a map of Hebron prepared by B’Tselem: streets that are off limits to Palestinians are shaded pink (or purple, if only driving is banned). When I was there, a young diplomat from Berlin who was about to take Shaul’s tour noted that most settlements seemed to face both restricted and unrestricted roads. The diplomat wanted to know why, if Israeli authorities claim that “sterilization” is needed for security, they tended to ban Palestinians from walking on one side of a settlement while leaving another exposed. Shaul acknowledged his point—that restrictions on Palestinian movement would appear to have nothing to do with security—but he said that he wanted us to draw this conclusion in the course of the tour.

    Palestinians unable to enter homes by front door:

    We continued to Shuhada Street, formerly one of Hebron’s most-travelled thoroughfares. It has been “sterilized” for many years, which means that the military has welded shut the doors to Palestinian houses. People come and go through back alleys or, where there is no back door, they enter and exit their houses by climbing a ladder to the roof. You can recognize the houses in which Palestinians still live because they have cages—steel bars covered with fine chicken wire—on the windows, to protect the residents from stones thrown by settlers. When settlers squat in a house, they remove the cages. Unlike the Palestinians, they are here under the protection of hundreds of troops stationed at dozens of checkpoints.

    Hebron representative of Palestinian life in West Bank:

    “The sovereignty here is of the I.D.F.,” he told the group. “But they are here to protect the settlers. The Palestinians are to be protected by Israeli civilian police, who are still waiting for political will to back their doing their job. Settlers here are under Israeli civilian law, while Palestinians are under military rule. If we throw stones at each other, I have committed a criminal offense and you”—meaning a Palestinian—“have committed an act of terrorism.” In other words, the powerlessness of Palestinian residents of H-2 before the settlers is not a side effect but the nature of the occupation. “If I have made you think that Hebron is in any way special, I have failed terribly,” Shaul added. Hebron is a microcosm of the West Bank, a place where the key practices of the occupation can be observed up close, in a single afternoon.

    IDF indifferent to Jewish attacks on Palestinians:

    Back home, Amro showed us the remains of a one-room addition he had been building, slowly, for a year and a half. Two days before my visit, settlers had dismantled it. Because civilian life in H-2, almost absurdly, is technically the purview of Palestinian authorities, Amro had all the legal documentation necessary for the construction. As the settlers took down a freshly laid row of cinder blocks, and as a woman hurled cement into Amro’s eyes, Israeli soldiers, who were posted in front of the house, looked on. As Amro stood by what remained of the construction and showed me the video of the attack, the soldiers again looked on.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  200. @A123

    123=bullshit is free. What a total hater of Iran…spazzing with hypocrisy by the “Peace” coda. Back in the day they used to have nice padded rooms for such monstrous insanity.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  201. @Fran Taubman

    Bald Domes and cracked brains.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  202. A123 says:

    I placed the Hate Freak “Minority of Zero” on my Blocked Commenters list ages ago. You can really understand the true nature of those who hate Jesus, when they insist on mouth frothing and gibbering that will never be read. To them, the act of defiling Christianity is apparently its own reward.

    Whenever “Minority of Zero” goes on a fit of verbal diharrea, all I see is a soothing grey bar, indicating that a low-IQ, deranged supporter of the Anti-Christ Muhammad had an irrelevant & histrionic response to the TRUTH.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Art
  203. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘I don’t dispute a word you say except to point out that my comment was following up on articles (particularly the long one mentioned, originally I think in TAC) by Ron in which he pointed to a decline in Jewish academic results ,especially when compared to Asians. I may have mentioned previously the Chinese accountant I spoke to many years ago who had a daughter with scholarship to the well regarded Methodist Ladies College and also had Jewish partners who lamented the slackness of their children. What does one expect? In the US one of the kids of first or second generation Russian or Polish Jews born in America is brightest and most hardworking of seven children and wins Nobel Prize for science. Next generation makes big fortune on Wall Street and the next – just one or two kids – experiments with pot and polo ponies..’

    That’s interesting — could be so. Perhaps equally to the point, they often simply don’t have children at all. Children that aren’t there definitely don’t achieve.

  204. @Ron Unz

    Another addition to your sources of expert information on the origins of Covid 19…

    The first couple of minutes of the following link leaves open questions arising from what may be much earlier than hitherto established manifestations of the virus outside China.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/coronavirus-pandemic-year-in-review-panel-discussion/12998690

  205. @Majority of One

    I just want Talha to see the video. If I post it it will be passed on to him via a second posting. It’s about getting rid of the domed horse barn on the Temple Mount.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @A123
  206. Sparkon says:

    Something old, something “New”…

    Occasionally, there is a discrepancy between the number of comments showing for an article on the home page at Unz.com, and the number of comments when one opens the article.

    For example, for the last couple of hours, Laurent Guyénot’s article “Remember the Kennedys!” displays showing 680 Comments, with 13 marked as “New,” but when I’ve opened that page, there are but 667 comments.

    Currently, I have mostly default settings for cookies & history in Firefox, although I fiddle with that from time to time, sometimes going to so-called “private browsing” (hardy har…)

    Remember the Kennedys!
    A message from a Frenchman with Irish music
    Laurent Guyénot • December 5, 2020 • 2,800 Words • 680 Comments • 13 New • Reply

    Comments for that article are collapsed or hidden, and when I expand, or unhide them, still just 667…which I suppose is merely one of the “mysteries of computing,” or something…

  207. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… It’s about getting rid of the domed horse barn on the Temple Mount.’

    Anybody got any witty nicknames for synagogues?

    • Replies: @Talha
  208. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Everyone serious accepts that al’Aqsa is in the wrong place. Muhammad died long before his forces invaded and colonized Jerusalem. I have previously suggested that modern day Jordan or Syria makes much more sense in terms of objectively proven facts.

    Here is additional information proving that al’Aqsa is in the wrong place: (1)

    Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Qur’an. Muhammad made his Night Journey, according to Muslim sources, around 621 A.D.; he died in 632 A.D. It would have been impossible for him to visit the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem; that mosque wasn’t finally completed until 715 A.D., some 94 years after his Night Journey and 73 years after his death.

    Jerusalem was selected to be the site of the “farthest mosque” because the Umayyad Caliph in Damascus, Abd al-Malik, wanted to appropriate [Jerusalem] for Islam, and for his own power and glory,

    If Islam is a religion of tolerance, when will they demonstrate that tolerance by ending their Colonial Occupation of Jewish Palestine, including Jerusalem? Peace is very achievable if the descendants of Islamic Colonizers have an honourable option to end their occupation of Jewish land.

    Palestinian Jews would be happy to help non-Palestinian Muslims move their holy site to a historically accurate location outside of Jewish Palestine. The entire building can be deconstructed and every brick sent to the new location if that is what non-Palestinian Muslims want as part of an honourable relocation deal.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://gellerreport.com/2020/12/where-is-the-real-al-aqsa-mosque.html/

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  209. Fantastic new article by Joseph Massad, Professor of Modern Arab Politics and Intellectual History at Columbia University in New York:

    The truth behind Israeli propaganda on the ‘expulsion’ of Arab Jews

    Main takeaways:

    * The oft-repeated Israeli claim that Arab states forcibly expelled Arab Jews in the 1940s and 50s is false.
    * In 1975, at the behest of the PLO, public and open invitations were issued by the governments of Morocco, Yemen, Libya, Sudan, Iraq and Egypt for Arab Jews to return home.
    * A conservative official Israeli estimate comparing Palestinian property losses to Arab Jewish property losses gave a ratio of 22 to one in favour of Palestinians.

    Israel advances the myth of “expulsion” not only as a propaganda weapon, but to extort money from Arab governments much as it continues to exploit the Holocaust™ in order to acquire assets from European nation-states.

    An excerpt:

    About 50,000 Yemeni Jews were essentially removed from Yemen by the Israelis in 1949 and 1950 to face institutionalised Ashkenazi discrimination in Israel. This included the abduction of hundreds of Yemeni children from their parents, who were told the children died; the children were then allegedly handed over for adoption to Ashkenazi couples.

    Zionists were also active in bringing about the emigration of Morocco’s Jews to Israel. Morocco was under French colonial occupation at the time, so the Jewish Agency had to strike an agreement with the French governor of Morocco to bring about the emigration of Moroccan Jews, who had to face horrific conditions on Israeli ships, according to Segev and other sources. Some of the 100,000 Jews who left, according to the Jewish Agency emissary, had to be virtually “taken aboard the ships by force”.

    Meanwhile, the Iraqi government of Nuri al-Said, Britain’s strongman in the Arab east, was maligned by Israeli propaganda that it was persecuting Jews, when in fact these were Israeli fabrications. Zionist agents had been active in Iraq, smuggling Jews through Iran to Israel, which led to the prosecution of a handful of Zionists.

    Then, attacks on Iraqi Jews began, including at the Masuda Shemtov synagogue in Baghdad, killing four Jews and wounding around a dozen more. Some Iraqi Jews believed that this was the work of Mossad agents, aiming to scare Jews into leaving the country. Iraqi authorities accused and executed two activists from the Zionist underground.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright, Talha
  210. bjondo says:

    Matthew (Shlomo) Yglesias, a creature
    from the Dalton School and attended
    Harvard where he read a book or not.

    He is famous…somewhere.

    Master Gates, dumbest man in the whole dumb town.

    Rogan not too impressive the few minutes I heard.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4usVIX5B6Rs, episode 1573, 11 minutes +.
    ————————————————————————————————

    #225) A conservative official Israeli estimate comparing Palestinian property losses to Arab Jewish property losses gave a ratio of 22 to one in favour of Palestinians.

    Conservative estimate and Yid. I would say 50, 70 to l. Arab Jew not big land owner in
    Palestine. Together with Yid, became bigtime thieves.

    Well, my one allowed comment of day.
    Maybe URAI gets distracted?

    5 dancing shlomos

  211. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Well, if they do destroy the mosque – that’s not unexpected. Crusaders did similar things.

    That some Muslims will do nothing (and in fact collaborate with Israel despite this) is also not unexpected. As you likely read in your studies, there were certain Muslim sovereigns that made pacts with Crusader states while fighting each other.

    This script has played out before. It took around 200 years last time. We’ll see how long things take this round.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  212. @A123

    Everyone serious accepts that al’Aqsa is in the wrong place. Muhammad died long before his forces invaded and colonized Jerusalem. I have previously suggested that modern day Jordan or Syria makes much more sense in terms of objectively proven facts.

    Not only that the Dome of the Rock, where the hoof print of Mohammed’s winged steed Buraq is actually the foundation stone of the Temple. They chiseled out a hoof print. But if you see the rock you get that it is not really a hoof print at all. The foundation stone of the Temple has huge significance. It is the exact spot where Abraham sacrificed the ram for Issac. Listen to the video in my #21o post of the rabbi.
    The Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa are nothing more then an Islamic appropriation of the most important, holiest site in all of Judaism. How would the Muslims feel if we went to Mecca and said “excuse me we have holy site under the black box, move over. It is so insulting and stupid for them to keep up this charade. Jerusalem was nothing to Mohammed when he was alive and nothing to after his death. Zero.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  213. George Washington was bled to death by his doctor, a well hidden dark secret of the history of charlatans in the medical mafia in America that started in 1846 and was an extortion, blackmail, censorship racket that practiced thuggery, slander, intimidation, and fascistic compliance to scientific fraud and heirarchy and seniority demanding total obedience to quackery and junk science from the beginning of its history that continues to the present day!

    Your Life Is Their Toy
    Rejected Knowledge

    [MORE]

    https://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/98737

    Radio4all.net show the Alembic Files by Anonymous on The Ominous Parallels really must be listened to! The parallels between Klaus Schwabs Great Reset and The Rise of Nazi Germany intend to solidify this even further! I have been fighting these psychos for my entire life! Their sense of entitlement over the self determination and property of others is a crime against humanity! There is absolutely no limit to their rapcaity at all, from my own personal experience. Even mind raping technology being developed and used in Universities and psychopaths like Elon Musk. To Elon Musk, socialism means that your brain is community property! The majority in Silicon Valley share this sentiment. Ironically, they believe that they are exempt from all of this, as Mark Zuckerberg has stated, “There is no privacy.” But Mark Zuckerberg has privacy anyways and has stored servers in his 700 acre estate in Hawaii that has freaked out Facebook employees. The level of secrecy in the government and corporations is quite confounding if “There is no privacy.” So, what Mark Zuckerberg really means is that there is no privacy for anyone else, and he knows this for a fact because he is spying on everyone else! The destruction of privacy is an extremely evil act of violence that destroys the meaning of life itself. It really does not get anymore evil than that. After the meaning of life has been destroyed, all that remains is misery, hatred, anger, and hostility, which are not desirable conditions for society and is the most barbaric crime against humanity ever perpetrated! It is enslavement. There is no denying it! slavery is illegal, in addition to the fact that privacy is a fundamental human right and is also guaranteed in the 4th amendment! Of course all of the psychos deny that they are doing this to anyone that confronts them about it because they know that it is illegal, sick, evil, deviant, perverted, and predatory, and would be mortified for being exposed as the monsterous, and wretched, creeped out, freaked out, mentally incompetent, swine that they are!

    We frequently hear the quasi-whistle blowers like Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity confess that they themselves have in fact spied on American citizens, but they do not confess exactly which Americans they have spied on though, at least not publicly, and I do happen to know that I happen to be one of the people that they did spy on, and are spying on. It is not really doing me any favors! In fact, it really pisses me off! It is illegal! I also notified many of them on their websites and twitter acoounts what was happening to me, and was not responded to at all. They never really changed. It is just a racket for them now. Maybe Binney has, but I know that some of them have turned it into a racket, which is really all that the Central Idiot Agency is capable of doing, as we have all witnessed! Fraud and rapacity used for the purposes of self agrandizement and personal gain at someone else’s expense. I suspect that it is all tied into Cambridge Analytica, Bannon, and Zero Hedge. 

    https://www.radio4all.net/index.php/program/100333

    Andrea Iravani

  214. Ron, I am posting here rather than in “Bugs and Suggestions” because there is more chance of others reading my suggestion and adding their thoughts .

    What I suggest is that you launch a “One Nation Project” which is aimed to find, initially, and promote a way of persuading the great majority as to the fairness or otherwise of the recent presidential election.

    In Australia we tend to trust Royal Commissions set up by state or federal governments but I am not so naive or ignorant of America to see any of the previously tried models of investigation as likely to suffice for achieving common belief and trust.Cf 9/11, Kennedy assassination etc.

    It would be within your capacity to contact every prefessional pollster who/which published before the 2020 election and to request that they join with you in designing a credible inquiry by asking people questions designed to elicit opinions as to who and what they would trust in the way of an inquiry. I could suggest much more detail with some experience to back it but I don’t need to teach grandmothers to suck eggs.

    The questions about an inquiry that might be trusted might start off with leading questions,e.g.
    1. Do you agree that America is damaged by widespread distrust of the election processes that resulted in a change of presidents?

    2 Do you regard it as important for American unity that the truth of allegations of fraud in the recent elections sufficient to affect the result should be ascertained by a trustworthy process?

    3. I want you to turn your mind to the kind of process and the people involved who might give you confidence that an honest and competent process had been devised to discover and publish the truth. Assuming that not enough people will trust state or federal governments to appoint the usual types of inquiry would you approve of selection committees for the appointersto be a few hundred people in each state [or each of the 5- 10 most contested states] to be chosen by lot at random from the electoral roles and to meet to discuss and recommend the personnel and procedures of the inquiry? Have you any additional concerns about that guaranteeing true people’s conventions and how those concerns might be met?

    Over to you Ron . If not you, is this nonetheless the right way to go about healing America’s great divide? Just trying to get it started would be worthwhile would it not? Perhaps only really valuable if the publicity got others on to the job. Maybe a nationwide assembly of Mayors might create a credible commission of inquiry after making all their discussions available on YouTube or Zoom.

  215. @Talha

    ‘This script has played out before. It took around 200 years last time. We’ll see how long things take this round…’

    Nahh. The Zionists can count on eternal, unchanging, and total military, economic, and financial supremacy. There’s no need to reach an accommodation.

    • Replies: @Talha
  216. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…It is the exact spot where Abraham sacrificed the ram for Issac…’

    You’ve just explained why the site would be holy to Muslims, too. I would say ‘you really don’t get it, do you?’ – but you must. It’s been explained slowly and clearly to you before, Fran. So what is it? Do you think if you refuse to understand, the facts go away?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Fran Taubman
  217. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    LOL! As you mentioned a little while back; numbers-wise, Muslims have held that territory longer than anyone else. Historically, Jews have lost that territory more times than anyone else. But it must be said, they have had some tough enemies coming through there; Greeks, Parthians, Romans…defeat is understandable.

    Though a hat-tip to the Maccabees for a thoroughly impressive campaign against the Seleucids to retake control of Jerusalem from the Greeks. Hard fought victory.

    Again, we’ll see how it plays out in the long run.

    Peace.

  218. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’ve just explained why the site would be holy to Muslims, too.

    LOL! Basically.

    “Then, We have sent the revelation to you: ‘Follow the religion of Ibrahim, the Hanif (primordial monotheism), and he was not of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God.’” (16:123)

    Peace.

  219. What makes the effort to hold Israel accountable for its abuses different from efforts to hold other nations accountable for theirs?

    No other country on earth has, through its domestic arm, been able to institute legislation in over three-fifths of the United States that effectively undermines constitutional law with the objective of chilling freedom of political expression. It’s an unprecedented attack on American liberty.

    No other country on earth has exhibited the scope and degree of influence in silencing Americans’ expression on the homefront as has Israel, be it by lawfare or through exerting power over major on- and off-line media to silence and/or smear its critics.

    In these respects, Israel is quite distinct from other human rights abusers, and as such, any campaign to hold it accountable for its crimes demands an exponentially greater effort.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  220. @Colin Wright

    You’ve just explained why the site would be holy to Muslims, too. I would say ‘you really don’t get it, do you?’ – but you must. It’s been explained slowly and clearly to you before, Fran. So what is it? Do you think if you refuse to understand, the facts go away?

    Your hilarious like there is only one side of the story. I am not understanding the facts??

    Why not listen to a great Jewish sage Rabbi Isser Weisberg explain you the temple mount saga. I think you don’t understand Colin. It is a long video skip to 27 minutes in with regards Al Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock and the the appropriation and offensiveness these structures have towards Judaism. An attempt to replace and appropriate the Jewish faith. I say to Islam get lost and get that structure off our Temple Mount!!

    To you Colin
    but you must. It’s been explained slowly and clearly to you before, COLIN. So what is it? Do you think if you refuse to understand, the facts go away?

    • Replies: @A123
  221. @AnonStarter

    More children and young adults die in Chicago in one weekend then the horror and abuses that produce Palestinian deaths in one year. Never mind China.

    Get serious man. Israel is one of the safest places on earth for Muslims, Jews and Christians. You owe yourself a trip there to see for yourself.

  222. Art says:

    The lion is caged in the White House, He is trapped and hurting.

    Trump is surrounded by White House deep state hyenas.

    They are stopping him from creating a rational defense. They want him to give up without a fight.

    Today our national representative Republic is dead.

    Good citizens must retake local government, away from the pseudo intellectual elite.

  223. @AnonStarter

    No other country on earth has exhibited the scope and degree of influence in silencing Americans’ expression on the homefront as has Israel, be it by lawfare or through exerting power over major on- and off-line media to silence and/or smear its critics.

    In these respects, Israel is quite distinct from other human rights abusers, and as such, any campaign to hold it accountable for its crimes demands an exponentially greater effort.

    That is because Israel is not a human rights abusers. These claims you make about Israel are lies. That is why people reject them. Silencing has nothing to do with the flat out rejection of the accusations. That is why what you view as an act of suppression of accountability is more like a rejection of propaganda lies. That is why suppression of BDS if viewed as a suppression of lies and untruths about Israel.

    Honest people have studied the situation have come to the conclusion that BDS is another Islamic trick to try and delegitimize Israel, not punish it for human rites abuses, and what you write is just plain wrong. BDS is dishonest trickery, a trojan horse to eliminate Israel, nothing more. No country in the world is held to the standards that Israel is held to. Do you see the world holding China accountable for it’s human rites abuse?

    People have viewed your complaints and rejected them, they are not being suppressed they have been rejected as lies. These lies had the world’s attention for a long time and people believed them. But after further investigation they have proved to be false.

  224. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    NonStarter is an even bigger liar than CW. Their Pallywood fiction is so weak and obvious, it comes across as comedy. For example, the absurd propaganda of “Islam supports local Christians.”

    Iranian al’Hamas internal documents reveal Islam’s actual policy. Violent Iranian backed Jihad is targeting Christmas in Gaza. (1)

    A leaked Hamas memo showing Gaza’s ruling Islamist group wanted to curb Christmas celebrations among Gaza’s Muslim majority has upset the enclave’s tiny Christian community in the run-up to the holiday.

    The ministry of religious affairs document, dated Dec. 15, called for “activities by the directorate of preaching and spiritual guidance to limit interaction with Christmas.”

    The leak went public last weekend, upsetting Palestinian Christians.

    When will Iran, and their proxies al’Hezbollah/al’Hamas & UNRWA, be prosecuted for 70+ years of terrorist War Crimes?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.unionleader.com/news/world/bah-humbug-leaked-hamas-memo-seeks-christmas-crackdown-in-gaza/article_d3945089-eeea-56fe-bda2-1720e0ab7f28.html

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  225. @A123

    It is mind numbing how much propaganda bullshit they get away with. Meanwhile not a one of them will ever go to Israel and see for themselves how everyone gets along except the crazy Jihadist who keep their entire populations hostage to a failed ideology of destroying the Jews. That is a true human rites violations. Half of those Pallywood movies are staged with arabs dressed in Israeli uniforms beating up children. It so fake. You want to see real human rites abuses go to Iran or KSA, where they still behead people. These propagandist are so so lost in their own lies.

    CW is ignorant. He thinks all the Israeli’s are going to end up in the US as soon as he gives the go ahead to pull the plug on Israel. LOL. Go there I say go there and see for yourself what life is like for the Palestinians. Why is the PA so hated and so rich. Stashing billions from their people. Palestinians hate the Palestinian leadership way more then Israelis. New infrastructure and towns are being built with the new Abraham accords, that will be so nice. Non Starter and Colin will want to move right in. I guess old paradigms are hard to change. The real villains are the Islamist not the Jews. The world is just waking up.

    I love it when these Jew haters support Islam. LOL. If they only knew.

  226. Ever noticed how Fran doesn’t make a whole lot of sense?

    It’s a lot of vehement irrelevancies and obvious falsehoods, strung together in a kind of word salad.

  227. @Colin Wright

    Ever noticed how Fran doesn’t make a whole lot of sense?

    Let me fix this for you.

    Ever noticed how Fran makes (doesn’t make a lot) of sense. Logic and rational thought wins the day.

  228. A123 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ever noticed how Fran doesn’t make a whole lot of sense?

    Those of us who are high achievers easily follow Fran’s high quality logic and evidence based positions.

    The issue is your severe mental limitations, which make you incapable of following rudimentary logic. This is not terribly surpring.

    — Based on HBD, the Persian Gulf region generates lower IQ’s, though not as bad as Africa.
    — And, you have further diminished your below-average genetics with Repetitive Cerebral Trauma from skull hammering 5 times per day.

    I pity you.

    Your below 80 IQ must make the world seem very terrifying. I am sorry that you have insufficient cognitive ability to keep up with the rest of us.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  229. @A123

    Those of us who are high achievers easily follow Fran’s high quality logic and evidence based positions.

    Right and Colin thinks he is sooo sooo smart. Much smarter then me. Maybe Colin can help me with my 3d printer slicing software for my new 3d wasp ceramic extruder. Or perhaps my algorithmic grasshopper software my Rhino parametric modeling program. You connect the nodes to form a graphic script to shape modeling parameters. What do you say Colin? Want to show me how those nodes are connected? Below some tutorials may help you get started.

    Grasshopper tutorial for parametric modeling.

    I dunno Colin I am sure I am way behind your supped up brain. Lend me a hand? You are always talking about my diminished IQ.

  230. @Colin Wright

    Ever noticed how Fran doesn’t make a whole lot of sense?

    I’ve noticed just how agitated she and her soulmate A123 are of late.

    Now, I’m not normally one to plumb the depths of such still waters, but …

    Could it be something we said?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  231. $500,000,000 to Israel, $600 to every American

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-spending-bill-five-gifts-israel

    The legislation calls for withholding US funds from the UN Human Rights Council “unless the Secretary of State determines… that participation in the Council is important to the national interest of the United States and that such Council is taking significant steps to remove Israel as a permanent agenda item”. …

    The bill prohibits aid to Palestinians if they unilaterally seek member-state status in UN agencies unilaterally or pursue International Criminal Court charges against Israeli war crimes.

    In other words, after shaking down an already debilitated America, Israel is doing all it can to make civil redress of grievance against it impossible.

    Can Israel justifiably complain when violence comes its way?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  232. @AnonStarter

    I for once agree with you. There were other countries that got money not just Israel. There was also very stupid stuff in there like provisions for mail in voting. Arts funding etc. It was not a Covid bill.
    It was wrong to pack a Covid relief bill for Americans that are really struggling with insane stuff like money for other countries.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  233. @Fran Taubman

    There were other countries that got money not just Israel.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-slams-washington-military-aid-egypt

    “This bill contains $85.5 million for assistance to Cambodia, $134 million to Burma, $1.3 billion for Egypt and the Egyptian military which will go out and buy, almost exclusively, Russian military equipment,” Trump said.

    “Congress found plenty of money for foreign countries, lobbyists, and special interests while sending the bare minimum to the American people who need it.” …

    Still, despite Trump’s criticism of aid to Egypt, the president made no mention of Israel, the largest recipient of US military aid each year.

    So there’s at least some consolation for you. Your folks still haven’t lost that uncanny ability to keep the president silent when it’s most needed.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  234. @AnonStarter

    It’s a trick that when I met you I will show you and other tricks of the trade about being Jewish Rabbits out of hats etc.

  235. @AnonStarter

    ‘…Now, I’m not normally one to plumb the depths of such still waters, but …’

    I think the word you’re looking for there is ‘stagnant.’

    Every so often, a bubble of some gas is generated by the unspeakable ooze lying at the bottom and rises up through the black water, breaking open at the surface and releasing a foul stench.

    This, we call a ‘post.’

    don’t go swimming.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  236. @Colin Wright

    don’t go swimming.

    It does appear rather toxic, does it not?

    But neither metaphor is really apropos. I’d approximate them more to toddlers who tend to carry on dialogue with themselves while engaged in some variety of make-believe, though even this comparison seems callously inequitable toward the innocence of actual children.

    A cornered raccoon, perhaps? That much would capture the seething hostility born out of manifest desperation.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  237. Everyone have a Merry Christmas!

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  238. Christmas Truce WWI—“Better than Berlin”…

    Merry Christmas to all!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  239. Glory to the King on the Morning of His Nativity…

  240. Breaking News: Bill Binney (former NSA official and current VIPs member) on the Truth –with Proof–About Seth Rich, Russiagate and Election Fraud. Hopefully the URL embed isn’t deleted in moderation this time…

    • Replies: @OutsideMan
  241. America’s censorship continues. The noose around freedom of speech in this country is being further tightened everyday.

    Did you all see that Amazon has now removed the Comment feature under their Customer reviews? It had been there forever!! You could pose questions to a reviewer, take issue with something they wrote, add your own extra bit of info, etc. It was useful and there were some really good discussions that occurred that way on book reviews.

    They gave a lame and UNTRUE statement to their outside sellers about it – claiming it was a little-used feature. LIE. https://www.feedbackwhiz.com/blog/heres-how-amazons-removal-of-the-comments-feature-on-customer-reviews-affects-sellers/

    Just like with (the former) Yahoo comment threads and the Federalist website — you can now no longer provide counterpoint to anything said on Amazon. And the site can, of course, simply not post your review if you try to do so that way.

    Hello? This is 1916 Russia!! Can you feel it? And the new bozo POTUS has warned many times of our upcoming “dark winter”. My sense is 2021 will be worse than crappy 2020.

  242. @OutsideMan

    URL deleted during moderation, again…

  243. After I commented about the Nashiville Christmas accused and deceased bomber, reports have surfaced stating that Warner told a neighbor when he was asked if Santa was going to be bringing something for Christmas, “Nashville and the world is never going to forget” him. 

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202012291081592912-nashville-bombers-neighbor-claims-warner-said-world-never-going-to-forget-him/

    This still does not explain why Warner was in the RV for five hours prior to detonation, or the initial reports of neighbors explaing him as some type of paranoid anti-social loner, now people are reporting differently, that he was actually so outspoken and sociable either. 

    Also strange is the fact that since Warner was in IT, and security as a career, that he would sit five hours raising security concerns in an RV in Nashville on Christmas day, and he also knows that ATT could easily rebuild or repair any 5G equipment that would be destroyed, and of course that 5G has to have towers all over the place. He was in Tech. He knew this. It still seems suspicious to me for those reasons. It still seems like a murder conspiracy in that Warner was murdered to me also, for those reasons as well as the suddenly changing narrative of Warner. Obviously, if any of the neighbors were involved in the murder conspiracy, they would not want him found dead near them in fear of being blamed for it. If Warner wanted to commit suicide, there are other methods that would be more logical and would not entail the risk of being arrested and  imprisoned alive by having police wondering what an RV parked outside for five hours near office buildings, which would typically result in security calls to the police department by security guards. It still does not addd up. 

    The police are also claiming after I posted it that he was into UFO conspiracy theories. 

    It sounds like 63 year old Anthony Warner accused of being responsible for the Nashville Christmas bombing was murdered by intelligence. Warner was a loaner that was in IT for a real estate company that spoke highly of him. Apparently he was having problems with neighbors that said that he wouldn’t wave to them, and he had several security cameras around his house. He also previously owned an alarm company and never had any police record. Usually if someone doesn’t wave back, there is a reason for it. He was obviously targeted, and probably murdered. It doesn’t add up. Warner also transferred the deed of his property to a woman in Los Angles for $0. When WaPo called her they were told that the FBI had instructed her not to discuss it with anyone. Warner was parked in the RV for 5 hours, then gun shots went off, and then warnings for people to back away from the RV warning of the bomb about to explode. Police were notified by residents when they heard the gun fire going off and police arrived at the scene and knocked on doors of buildings to instruct people to evacuate. Obviously, Warner did not intend to kill anyone with the many warnings. Why was this RV parked in Nashvillle? Why was it parked for five hours before detonating? Obviously, this was intended for high drama and high visibility. Communications were knocked out for 2 days also, so that may also be considered a motive in addition to insurance fraud, and the deed transfer! This just does not add up to someone that intends to commit suicide or terrorism. There was obviously a clear intent to mitigate loss of life with the gun shot warnings and the loud speaker warnings coming from the RV! This sounds like it was either done by LEOS or the mafia to me, and not a suicide, he could have been tied and gagged in the van and maybe used the gun to try to alert people hoping that he could be helped. He could have been asleep or drugged earlier with a driver getting out. It also sounds like a classic romance scam. Lonely guy, RV, deed transfer to a woman across the country!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/27/video-timeline-nashville-bomb/?arc404=true

    Andrea Iravani

  244. @meamjojo

    “wet more quickly”

    And if you’re not exercising it just gets wet more slowly. Also, what if its just hot out?

  245. Polly Wanna Backer? Advice from a Mensch for America’s Newly-Released Traitor

    If you want to see a good example of just how transparently revolting Zionists have become, take a look at the advice which Eric Sherby, long time advocate for the release of Jonathan Pollard, has to give him:

    Pollard is finally free from his discriminatory experience

    Some choice passages:

    Here are my suggestions to Pollard:

    Do not sound bitter: Yes, you have every right to be bitter. Multiple American presidents had the opportunity to demonstrate that justice is blind and that American Jews are not held to a double standard. Those presidents failed to do so, which is a grounds for bitterness. …

    But sounding bitter will do you no good – especially when the world is listening.

    State expressly that the United States is a great country and that it is Israel’s best friend: Yes, it is the country that unjustifiably kept you in prison for far too long. But it is also the home to the largest diaspora community in the world, and it is the country that has given Jews unprecedented freedoms and opportunity.

    Why is it important for you to make such a public statement? There are at least two reasons. First, Jews employed by the US government in sensitive positions will be listening for some statement to point to that indicates that your case was the exception, not the rule. There is no good reason to deny them that statement.

    A second reason: for better or for worse, tens of thousands of young Israelis (contemporaries of my children, and younger) grew up learning that the US unjustly held you prisoner. The education that those young people received regarding your case has been largely one-sided. Many of them find it difficult to believe that you did anything wrong.

    More than 20 years ago, you gave an interview in which you expressed remorse for having spied against the US. Many people expressed skepticism of your statement of remorse. There is a good way to silence those people – whether they are supporters of Israel or not: tell your supporters, in your first public address in Israel, that the US is a great country and Israel’s best friend.

    You might not enjoy saying it – but as someone who has been living in Israel for almost three decades, I know that the people here who are likely to give you a hero’s welcome need to hear it.

    Translation: Americans were anti-Semitic for locking you up for as long as they did. Most importantly, keep your hatred of America to yourself, lest it become bad for the Jews.

    Jonathan Pollard has been described by American intelligence agents having intimate knowledge of the extent of his damage as “the most damaging spy bar none since the Rosenberg espionage ring betrayed U.S. nuclear secrets to the Soviets in the 1940s.”

    Certainly, many “Jews employed by the US government in sensitive positions” would love it if Pollard was able to convince American Gentiles that he was “the exception, and not the rule”:

    In fact, it is widely believed that Pollard was not the only one in the American government spying for Israel. During his year and a half of spying, his Israeli handlers requested specific documents, which were identified only by top-secret control numbers. After much internal assessment, the government’s intelligence experts concluded that it was “highly unlikely,” in the words of a Justice Department official, that any of the other American spies of the era would have had access to the specific control numbers. “There is only one conclusion,” the expert told me. The Israelis “got the numbers from somebody else in the U.S. government.”

    With friends like these …

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @meamjojo
  246. bjondo says:

    Pollard, a good Yid.
    ————————–

    Beaten Biden and NotKamaLot
    can’t believe fraud did not stand.

    Jan 2021 a good month for USA.

    And

    Russia, China, Iran, Syria.

    5 dancing shlomos

  247. Talha says:
    @Father Coughlin

    But there were some victories as the year closes out:

    Peace.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @AnonStarter
  248. Happy and Healthy New Year to all!

    Dance the night away…

  249. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    What jumps out is that that is a very integrated crowd in the picture.

    • Replies: @Talha
  250. @Talha

    We must listen to the voices of adult content producers.

    Must we?

    • LOL: Talha
  251. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Why don’t you support porn? You racist.

    Peace.

  252. @AnonStarter

    ‘…A second reason: for better or for worse, tens of thousands of young Israelis (contemporaries of my children, and younger) grew up learning that the US unjustly held you prisoner. The education that those young people received regarding your case has been largely one-sided. Many of them find it difficult to believe that you did anything wrong…’

    If true, this is good. Israelis are being fed a grossly distorted view of reality.

    People that have a distorted view of reality come to a bad end. They drive badly.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  253. meamjojo says:
    @AnonStarter

    Israel is one the USA’s closest confident and friends. I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t be sharing virtually every technology and intelligence with them.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Troll: Colin Wright
  254. Prayer for mercy at the beginning of the new year…

    Our Father…

  255. Report: Israeli Tourists Stealing from Dubai Hotels

    Ali Abunimah: Israeli media report that just weeks after direct flights started, Israeli tourists in Dubai steal anything that’s not nailed down from hotel rooms… Did they not get the government training on how to give Israel a good impression when going abroad?

    Moreover, a manager of a hotel overlooking the world’s tallest building the Burj Khalifa, said: “We host hundreds of tourists from all countries of the world, some of them create problems, but we have not seen items stolen before.”

    He added: “One time an Israeli family came with two children to check-out, and we discovered that things were missing in the room, and when the hotel staff tried to tell them that things in the room in which they were staying were missing, they started screaming.”

    “After the conversation, they finally agreed to open their bag and we discovered that they had ice containers, hangers, and face towels. After we told them that we would inform the police, they decided to return the things and apologized.”

    Dr. Abd Al-Aziz Al-Khazraj Al-Nasari, a Qatari presenter, published a video claiming a number of Emirati hotel owners contacted him detailing the thefts they discovered.

    In the video which went viral across social media, he warned: “They should know that normalisation with Israel means having to give up room objects for now, and maybe land later on.”

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  256. exSaffer says:

    What’s happening here is similar to the Affirmative Action drive in South Africa. Black is now at the front of the queue regardless of merit or hard work, and black oligarchs and corruption grew, so did crime murders etc. because the ordinary hard working black didn’t get a look in. Only the well connected, who were level with whites already.
    So…. if you want to see your future by going down the same route as South Africa, pay attention.

  257. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    I remember coming across an article where a Jewish lady living in South America was lamenting the behavior of Israeli tourists:
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-why-israelis-make-the-worst-tourists-1.5341538

    There was also this concern from the Israeli government:
    “Foreign Minister Gabi Ashkenazi reportedly noted that a public explanation on how to behave in the UAE was needed since the Emiratis “are very sensitive and Israelis sometimes don’t know how to behave.” He expressed fear that Israelis will show their “ugly side” and potentially cause diplomatic damage.”
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-concerned-israeli-tourists-will-misbehave-in-uae/

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  258. @Talha

    One comment from the first linked article’s “Talkback”:

    11 krk 20:40 02.01.2018

    this talkback becomes emotionally charged exchange, some proud commentators have a problem accepting frequently reported facts about inappropriate behavior of Israeli tourists in a different places. Several years ago I was not stunned and confused after being asked politely by locals in one Mediterranean beautiful resort whether Israel is short with towels given that the locals have never seen any other groups of visitors from any other country stealing towels from hotel rooms en masse. A fact that I and some others behave acceptably when abroad cannot neutralize an impression that, in general, Israelis behave wildly towards other people and their property, especially those who go abroad after being discharged from the army, it seems it has some relation with their army service whatever the reason.

    Recently, someone here at UR described an incident in a Turkish hotel which was similar to the recent news in the UAE. At first, the Israelis protested adamantly, only to have their luggage opened, whereupon the concierge calmly removed numerous stolen items while the would-be smugglers stood mute.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  259. @Talha

    ‘I remember coming across an article where a Jewish lady living in South America was lamenting the behavior of Israeli tourists…’

    It hardly stops there. Israeli criminals and semi-criminals infest the US — and ironically, their favorite prey seem to be elderly US Jews. ‘Such a nice Jewish boy, and from Israel…’

    Israelis were pretty notorious in the moving business. I was once giving a quote to some people I had moved before, and part-way through, I started connecting the dots.

    They were Jewish. They wanted me to move their elderly grandparents from Milwaukee to Seattle. Not really the sort of move I was positioned to be competitive on, but sure, I’ll give you a quote….

    And they’d been burned by their previous mover. Hmm…elderly Jews…

    I had to ask: ‘Were those movers Israelis?’

    Bingo. On top of everything else, and anti-semitic fantasies notwithstanding, the vermin are cannibals. Not that that does the rest of us much good.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  260. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    the vermin are cannibals. Not that that does the rest of us much good.

    Well, one good outcome is that you will get much more honest opinions out of their own community; which is why I’m quoting Israeli news sources.

    It reminds me a bit of the unsavory elements within the Muslim community, to be honest. I remember reading a little while ago that a bunch of very rich young Gulf Arabs come through London every summer and strut their wheels (which they pay to bring in for the few weeks) and they drive like maniacs.

    If you were to ask a Muslim like myself, I would tell the UK flat out not to let these fools come into their country. Hell, I wouldn’t want anyone of those idiots near my daughter!

    Peace.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  261. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    especially those who go abroad after being discharged from the army, it seems it has some relation with their army service whatever the reason.

    When you are helping stealing land and shaking down Palestinian locals at check points…towels are chump change.

    Wa salaam.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  262. @Ron Unz

    Resuming conversation on the American Pravda article on understanding or explaining World War 2 where Harry Elmer Barnes got much favourable mention but you closed the thread peremptorily after applying your more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger “elderly” reproof to me. In even milder response to your imagining me as one resistant to the challenging of long held ideas I proffer the notion that you are a disappointed believer, who really really likes to think he’s grasped the truth and projects that on others (justly indeed on many other UR commenters) but in my case totally without foundation. I do enjoy picking nits – preferably big noisy literate ones – from intelligent people’s arguments.

    And here, before returning to Barnes, I want to take up your obsession with the great Churchill whose many faults you appear to want to magnify beyond reality.. you say in the 2019 American Pravd article

    “Churchill’s ruthless violation of the laws of war regarding urban aerial bombardment”

    Setting aside the question of Churchill’s part in it I note, from Wikipedia

    Although the 1907 Hague Conventions IV – The Laws and Customs of War on Land and IX – Bombardment by Naval Forces in Time of War prohibited the bombardment of undefended places, *there was no international prohibition against indiscriminate bombardment of non-combatants in defended places*, a shortcoming in the rules that was greatly exacerbated by aerial bombardment. With the rise of aerial warfare, non-combatants became extremely vulnerable and were inevitably collateral targets in such warfare potentially on a much larger scale than previously.

    Warsaw in 1939 , having anti-aircraft protection, was “defended”.

    World War I saw the first time strategic bombing was used when German Zeppelins and aircraft indiscriminately dropped bombs on cities in Britain and France

    and

    The German bombings of Guernica and Durango in Spain in 1937 during the Spanish Civil War and the Japanese aerial attacks on crowded Chinese cities during the Second Sino-Japanese War in 1937–38 attracted worldwide condemnation, prompting the League of Nations to pass a resolution that called for the protection of civilian populations against bombardment from the air. In response to the resolution passed by the League of Nations, a draft convention in Amsterdam of 1938 would have provided specific definitions of what constituted an “undefended” town, excessive civilian casualties and appropriate warning. This draft convention makes the standard of being undefended quite high – any military units or anti-aircraft within the radius qualifies a town as defended. This convention, like the 1923 draft, was not ratified, nor even close to being ratified, when hostilities broke out in Europe in 1939.

    The other thing I wanted to say about Churchill is that I have known a few alcholics and I would like to think Churchill was one of those who had his drinking under control when it mattered. The question for .e then is whether he had it under control when *he*still mattered , before some time in 1943 I daresay.

    What prompted me to look for your reference to Harr mer Barnes was an outstandingly good lecture on YouTube by Margaret Macmillan giving a sophisticated and nuanced account of Versailles. After noting that the war guilt clause had been drafted by John Foster Dulles and that it figured very largely in German rejection both in opinion and in practice (e.g.not paying debts) of the treaty she noted that Barnes had been invited to research and write up the German documents – which were very selective,so that he became an advocate for the German line.

    I note that, as of some interest, even the French demands on Germany were mild compared with what Germany had inflicted on France after the Franco-Prussian war. Needless to say, there was incompetence too, or maybe it was fudging.

    I am reminded, as I mention incompetence, that, in June 1919, just as the countries on the winning side were to announce who got what of the German fleet locked up in Scala Flow with only skeleton German crews living in very hard conditions, the Germans managed to sink the lot.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  263. @Ron Unz

    Sorry! You can say “elderly” or even dopy. Here is the YouTube link for Margaret MacMillan

    The Great War: Its End and Effects, Lecture by Prof Margaret MacMillan”

  264. @Colin Wright

    Israelis were pretty notorious in the moving business.

    You don’t say?

    https://www.israellobby.org/urbanmoving/

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  265. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘I note that, as of some interest, even the French demands on Germany were mild compared with what Germany had inflicted on France after the Franco-Prussian war. Needless to say, there was incompetence too, or maybe it was fudging.’

    Taking it for granted that you’re right about the relative severity of the peace terms, I’ll note several elements that should also be mentioned.

    [MORE]

    First, and perhaps most importantly, nationalism hadn’t penetrated as deeply into people’s consciously in 1870 as it had by 1918. To cite one example from 1870, French officers were chagrined to discover that French peasants were actually disappointed when they realized the arriving column of troops were French rather than Prussian; the Prussians might well demand food and forage; the French would demand the same — plus impress any young men as recruits.

    To cite another example, my biography of Renoir mentions the behavior of six French Impressionist painters — all young men at the time — in 1870. Bazille volunteered — and was killed, which is why you rarely hear of him. Manet enlisted. Renoir was drafted. The other four hid (Cezanne), or fled the country outright (Monet, Pissarro, and maybe Sisley).

    Obviously, even outside the peasantry, patriotism was optional in 1870. By 1914, that wasn’t the case. Both Renoir’s adult sons served and were severely wounded.

    So, okay, this isn’t definitive proof. But I’d suggest a national defeat in 1870 wouldn’t be taken as personally by the bulk of the people as it would be by 1918. People’s identification with their state had become much more widespread and profound by 1918 than it had been a generation-plus earlier.

    Secondly, Germany had thought it was surrendering on the basis of Wilson’s Fourteen Points — perhaps unpalatable, but at least nominally equitable. That wasn’t how it played out.

    Then, Germany hadn’t visibly lost in 1918. They had won outright in the East; the war was over there, and had been a crushing German victory, thank you. In the West, German troops had nowhere been driven back to the frontier, much less across it. Indeed, the establishment never really had conceded defeat. Rather, they’d turned everything over to a lot of socialists and revolutionaries and let them concede defeat. This contrasts with 1870, where the Prussians had destroyed the standing army, literally captured the head of state, and marched right over the country, visibly defeating one hastily formed force of replacements after another. The Prussians had won, won, won. It was a visible fact — and it was a conservative, establishment regime that finally agreed to terms.

    Finally, note that France didn’t accept the defeat in 1870 either. She spent the next forty four years resenting the loss of Alsace and Lorraine, maneuvering to form a coalition that could defeat Germany, and finally, succeeding in bringing that war about.

    So on the face of it, the Germans were bound to resent the outcome of 1914–18 even more bitterly than the French had resented the outcome of 1870-71. Indeed, it’s worth pointing out that the Germans have accepted the outcome of 1939-1945 in a way they never accepted the outcome of 1914-18.

    Obviously, that isn’t because the terms imposed in 1945 were less severe. Indeed, the Allies of 1945 collectively inflicted punishments on Germany only Genghis Khan could have surpassed.

    Yet the Germans accepted this outcome. Why? Well, for one thing, they’d very visibly and completely lost; they’d seen the Allied fighters strafing the countryside at will and the Allied armies rampaging over virtually the entire country. For another, they’d never been promised anything else; there were no Fourteen Points in 1945.

    All of this is admittedly a tad inconsistent and incoherent — but all the points seem relevant to me.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  266. @AnonStarter

    Perhaps you’re familiar with this one?

    https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

    The conclusions aren’t stated, but it’s a mainstream source, and one can draw one’s own inferences from the material that is presented.

    Really, sometimes I think all the nonsense about controlled demolitions, Building Seven, etc is encouraged. The fabulous, improbable conspiracy theories are allowed to obscure the fact that there is some very damning, irrefutable evidence of Israeli complicity in 9/11.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  267. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Maupassant’s bitter story Boule de Suif does not suggest overwhelming patriotism among the French in 1870.

  268. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    The definitive, and certainly most hilarious, satire on Israelis misbehaving in India. Unfortunately I can’t find the version with English subtitles, but the bits in English are enough to get a good idea. A shame though as the dialog in Hebrew is hilarious. The subtitles are in Spanish.

    Enjoy 🙂

    • Replies: @AaronB
  269. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Although I have to say the Israelis aren’t so bad anymore. When I was first in India in 2001 they were a nightmare and everyone hated them, but when I was last there in 2016 they were quite nice and mixing very well with Europeans.

    Although in 2001 there was massive anti-American sentiment from Europeans which also seem to have vanished.

    Israelis remain though the most assertive group of travelers in India, though. I remember once we were at a river where a bridge had collapsed, and a rope with a car had been organized, but there was confusion and disorganization, with Indians cutting the line etc. The Israelis simply took charge of the situation and made it organized and efficient, while the hapless Europeans milled about helplessly. The Israelis had no authority but acted like they did and everyone listened. It was hilarious. Eventually the cops showed up and took charge.

    Another time on a bus, there are these trinket sellers that board the overnight tourist buses and wake you up at 2 am abd just make a nuisance of themselves. The Europeans generally suffer in silence, but the Israelis simply unceremoniously sent the disturber of sleep packing lol. It was quite funny.

    Still, though, there is probably an “ugly tourist” element among Israelis today that hasn’t quite gone away. Its interesting why some countries for a time produce the ugly tourist syndrome. China is notorious for this now, Americans 50 years ago, etc, etc.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  270. @AaronB

    This entire thread on bad Israeli tourist is like old lady gossip. Real yentas. You don’t like someone so you dig up gossip, like who is a bad tipper. Never mind that AS’s article came from the really really reliable and truthful Palestinian Chronicle a pure Palestinian propaganda rag, where they color photographs with magic marker blood. Palestinian propaganda is so fake.
    But this stealing thing must run in Jewish DNA. I always steel Bathrobes with the insignia of the hotel on it. I collect them. Sometimes they charge me sometimes not. I also took some pink towels from the Ritz in Paris, along with the bathrobe. They never charged me. I was staying there for my 50th b-day.
    I guess it is one of those Jew things. We cannot help ourselves. Bad Bad tourist. I am so ashamed lol. I should do an article for the Palestinian Chronicle a real mia culpa. I am so embarrassed. I do tip well.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  271. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They have an obsession – what the French used to call an idee fixe. Basically a monomanaical obsession with a single topic that consumes one and causes one to lose sight of the big, varied, and beautiful world.

    There is no aspect of Israeli or Jewish life too petty for them to become fixated upon. Next they will start analyzing Israeli toilet habits 🙂

    Well, these unfortunate people have no choice but to obey their compulsion. I dont write so much about Israel or Jewish topics myself these days. Most things have been said, and its a big world. But none of us are free to choose our obsessions – we are afflicted with them, like a curse from God, often to our ruin.

    BTW, Fran, I dont know if your Hebrew is up to scratch, but you should really watch that eretz nehederet video of Israelis in India, its sublime satire 🙂

  272. @Colin Wright

    Thanks. Not obviously inconsistent or incoherent. In fact it looks pretty good until the UR revisionist gun is recalibrated to give it the range of 1870–1910 [perhaps it should be given the ambition to revisit the Irish famine, the Corn Laws, land thefts from Mexico, Crimean War, Indian Mutiny, freedom of Russia’s serfs and US slaves, and even Schleswig-Holstein, say to 1845].

  273. @Colin Wright

    Yes, I remember it when it first was news. As I recall, it was brushed aside glibly with the assistance of Barbara Walters: “Nothing to see here, move along folks.”

    Really, sometimes I think all the nonsense about controlled demolitions, Building Seven, etc is encouraged. The fabulous, improbable conspiracy theories are allowed to obscure the fact that there is some very damning, irrefutable evidence of Israeli complicity in 9/11.

    Well, I think what’s happened here is the much same with the JFK murder. As a cogent theory is developing, outlandish or fair-seeming yet false assertions are often introduced among tenable ones, exacerbating doubt, confusion, and agnosticism, eventually leading to disinterest.

    But I do agree that there’s enough evidence to indict Israel. Shame that Dershowitz and Armitage sprang the Urban Movers before the FBI had completed a proper investigation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  274. @AaronB

    Where is it on Youtube? All that trauma concerning Jews because we were the first. They have to make us (Christians and no Muslims) to be scoundrels, low life, so that they can earn their place in line and their better then we are wings. It is so obvious.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  275. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    They have to make us (Christians and no Muslims) to be scoundrels, low life, so that they can earn their place in line and their better then we are wings.

    Insrcurity and a sense of inferiority is what drives most people in life.

    Humans have a profound wound at the core of their being that they spend their lives trying to heal – nearly all human activity not directly for survival is spent trying to reassure ourselves we matter- sadly, usually by putting others down.

    The sad thing is, all humans have worth as their birthright- but most cannot see it. They think they must “earn” worth by denigrating others.

    It’s useless complaining about the world works. It is what it is.

    Where is it on Youtube?

    Its in my comment above, but just type in Israelis in India you should get it. Comedy gold.

  276. @AaronB

    ‘They have an obsession – what the French used to call an idee fixe…’

    I count eight posts referring to Israeli tourists on this thread — all but two are from you or Fran.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  277. @Colin Wright

    The news is really more about Israel’s maiden voyage aboard the SS “Normalization” — something that anyone with an interest in Middle East current events might follow. We’ve been assured by our resident Zionists that everything is going to be peaches and cream, so I’m positive this is just a temporary setback.

    *cough*

    Until recently, I wasn’t even aware of just how normal such conduct is from Israeli tourists (or movers, for that matter). I was kind of expecting Fran and Aaron to adamantly deny it, but it seems they’re actually embracing it — and with enthusiasm, to boot.

    Oh, well. Learn something new every day.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  278. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Since you mentioned toilet habits… gotta love those (((sages)))… outhouse voyeurs.

    http://judaism.is/potty-voyeurs.html

  279. @AnonStarter

    Which of the following three real possibilities do you favour?

    1. The 5 Israelis were basically what they appeared to be with a couple of them having backgrounds, and even part time jobs, a bit too close to intelligence for comfort (all would have done IDF service). It was really just callous or thoughtless immaturity that made them do the high fives though quite likely sparked by something like one of them remarking “at last our American friends are going to understand the meaning of ‘suicide bombings’
    “. Their story didn’t collapse under pressure because it was basically true. It is hardly surprising that their employer saw it as time to get out of the country. There were probably plenty of little skeletons in his business cupboard that he feared law enforcement would be on to once they had a second look at what their search had picked up. Indeed, if he had known what was going to happen he would have been better prepared – maybe on holiday outside the US- and it seems very unlikely that five young employees knew more than he did.

    2. That Israeli intelligence had picked up more detail of the planned attacks , or at least the 19 hijackers, than the FBI/CIA even if not the day there would be an attack. If so, can we not be confident that Israel would have been sure to put on the record warnings, as they could be represented afterwards, to ensure that it was left out of reports on the attacks?

    This could co-exist with version 1

    3. Israel had much earlier knowledge of jihadist willingness to fo a 9/11 and managed to fill a number of gaps in organisation which may have included advice on getting visas, advice on flying schools, advice on targets.

    Surely nothing more. How could Israel calculate that it was worth taking the huge risk of rigging the WTC twin towers to be demolished by explosives? There had to be *some” risk their part would become known or at least plausibly attributed and the odium of predictably causing a lot of Jewish deaths would be something to avoid. If the Israelis were seriously involved in opportunistically taking the chance of getting up a Pearl Harbor event connected to the Arab ME why would they risk losing the moral impact on the American psyche of four actual or attempted suicide crashes by taking the risk that the planting of demotion charges would be discovered, maybe afterwards when one of the towers was missed or because of partial ignition leaving residues? Indeed the more one supposes Mossad to be involved, the simpler the scenario has to be.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  280. Glenn Greenwald nails it in a piece on Julian Assange:

    ‘…Those who do not seek to meaningfully dissent or subvert power will usually deny — because they do not perceive — that such dissent and subversion are, in fact, rigorously prohibited. They will continue to believe blissfully that the society in which they live guarantees core civic freedoms — of speech, of press, of assembly, of due process — because they have rendered their own speech and activism, if it exists at all, so innocuous that nobody with the capacity to do so would bother to try to curtail it…

    …You will not feel the sting of Silicon Valley or other institutional censorship as long as you affirm the latest COVID pronouncements of the World Health Organization and Dr. Anthony Fauci (even as those decrees contradict the ones they issued only a few months earlier), but you will if you question, refute or deviate from them. You will not have your Facebook page deleted if you defend Israeli occupation of Palestine but will be banished from that platform if you live in the West Bank and Gaza and urge resistance to Israeli occupying troops. If you call Trump an orange fascist clown, you can stay on YouTube for eternity, but not if you defend his most controversial policies and claims. You can vocally insist that the 2000, 2004 and 2016 U.S. presidential elections were all stolen without the slightest concern of being banned, but the same claims about the 2020 election will result in the summary denial of your ability to use online tech monopolies to be heard.

    Censorship, like most repression, is reserved for those who dissent from majoritarian orthodoxies, not for those who express views comfortably within the mainstream. Establishment Democrats and Republicans — adherents to the prevailing neoliberal order — have no need for free speech protections since nobody with power would care enough to silence them. It is only the disaffected, those who reside on the fringes and the margins, who need those rights. And those are precisely the people who, by definition, are most often denied them…’

    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-ka … -of-julian

  281. @Wizard of Oz

    1 and 2 are out: the Israelis were in position and watching as the attacks took place. They knew precisely where and when the attack was to occur. Also, while some might entertain extravagant fantasies concerning American police and the FBI, I don’t. They don’t hold people under arrest for nine weeks unless they don’t buy their story at all. Finally, one of the Israelis stated on Israeli television that the team had been there to ‘document the event.’ Is it your position that they were guessing on the time, date, and place, just got incredibly lucky, and then pretended to foreknowledge afterwards?

    3’s likely — but not proven. Israeli knowledge doesn’t demonstrate Israeli action. It’s possible Israel’s role was purely passive; they may well have infiltrated al Qaeda, liked what they heard, and merely watched benevolently as the plot they were monitoring unfolded.

    Of course, a helpful nudge or clearing of the path here and there is not out of the question — but so far, undocumented.

  282. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Where is it on Youtube? All that trauma concerning Jews because we were the first. They have to make us (Christians and no Muslims) to be scoundrels, low life, so that they can earn their place in line and their better then we are wings. It is so obvious.’

    Theologically, that would already be, as they say, overdetermined. No sense gilding the lily.

    The text of the New Testament entirely suffices. We don’t need to prove much of anything more about Jews to be certain of their fate. Of course, they should be prevented from corrupting and leading others astray — even brought to repent of their folly if possible.

    We’re doing all this for you, Fran. We’re here to help.

  283. Pretty amusing, really.

    Remember: diversity is our strength.

  284. @Colin Wright

    Clearly you are not one of the fantasy conspiracy theorists but I note the key part that the Israeli TV interview plays in your reasoning as well as what you assert about the time of their arrival. I would want to scrutinise the evidence with minute care. E.g. what exactly did the Israeli say? Could it mean only that the filming was to document the events which sounds more respectable than saying they were making the best home movie ever? I don’t see the FBI holding them so long as meaning much. A young Australian on a Copyright charge was held for two years. The wad of cash and the disappearance of their employer would have been pretty good incentive to keep on probing, especially when they had little else and there would have been some savage criticism if they had been released early.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  285. @Colin Wright

    Yeah there is another more probable scenario. Israeli intelligence got wind of convincing Al Qaeda intel on 9/11. They forwarded their findings to their BFF American intel agencies, who just sat on it. Whoops.
    Neither Israel, nor the US can admit to knowing about it ahead of time. There has been many inferences that the US intelligence agencies had advance knowledge but ignored or didn’t believe it. Maybe they had other warnings that turned out not to be true. To say that Israel wanted 9/11 to happen by suppressing the intel is one of Ron’s more stupid Jew conspiracy ideas, like the JFK assianation. Israel would no more want to see that happen then the US. Many Jews died in that attack.

    Stupid as stupid does to think Israel knew or were involved in that event, as withholding information or false flag. I like the implanted nukes that blew up the building from inside, nullifying that there were any planes which were suppose to be faked LOL. If you live in NY you saw those planes hit the tower. Or the claim that Jews were warned to stay away. Cantor Fitzgerald was just above where the plane hit, and lost many employees. Howard Lutnick lost his brother. The entire firm was wiped out. Many Cantor Fitzgerald employees called home to say good by as there was no escape down. It took a while for them to be suffocated. Many jumped. Yep they saw planes hit the building. Any you know there were 19 Saudis on board with box cutters.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  286. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Clearly you are not one of the fantasy conspiracy theorists but I note the key part that the Israeli TV interview plays in your reasoning as well as what you assert about the time of their arrival. I would want to scrutinise the evidence with minute care. E.g. what exactly did the Israeli say? Could it mean only that the filming was to document the events which sounds more respectable than saying they were making the best home movie ever? ‘

    So your position is that five Israelis about whom there was much else suspicious just happened to be ready and able to film as hijacked airliners happened to fly into skyscrapers in the town they happened to be in and that they happened to be in a position to see?

    What are the odds?

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  287. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Yeah there is another more probable scenario. Israeli intelligence got wind of convincing Al Qaeda intel on 9/11. They forwarded their findings to their BFF American intel agencies, who just sat on it. Whoops….’

    Etc. You’re very patriotic, Fran. Problem is, your patriotism refers to the wrong country.

    You should be interned as an enemy alien. Physically, you may have been born here, but morally, you’re no longer an American.

  288. @Colin Wright

    I’ve just come across a copy I made of a long ABC report. These words are significant:

    Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, “The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.”

    That’s about the Israeli TV interview. Do you really think he was gratuitously disclosing a task that they had been given by Israeli intelligence?

  289. @Colin Wright

    Much more important is to know the timing. If five young Israelis who worked for Urban Moving found themselves near the beginning of the working day hearing of the attack on the WTC and one says “Wow, what’s the bet it’s terrorism, I must get this on film for the folks at home” and they then drive to the nearest place they can find for a good view and start filming what is even remotely improbable about that? Where’s the improbability? The employees of an Israeli owned business being together in the morning? The desire to see the WTC towers on fire? Filming – like hundreds, maybe thousands of others that day?

    Get them all geared up before it happened and you have a case, a very strong one. Otherwise nothing much

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  290. @Colin Wright

    3’s likely — but not proven. Israeli knowledge doesn’t demonstrate Israeli action. It’s possible Israel’s role was purely passive; they may well have infiltrated al Qaeda, liked what they heard, and merely watched benevolently as the plot they were monitoring unfolded.

    It’s also possible that, given Israel’s close albeit hushed relationship with Saudi Arabia years prior to 9/11, as well as the alignment of political interests upon which that relationship was premised, Israeli operatives served as shepherds to the hijackers. The Shea Memorandum, which includes all relevant information from the 82-page DEA report on suspicious Israeli activity in the run-up to 9/11, tells us that, at the very least, Israel had to possess foreknowledge of the attacks.

    As I mentioned earlier, we might have been able to learn more had Dershowitz and Armitage not applied political pressure to spring these guys. An Australian held on a copyright charge for two years is a red herring, though it actually undermines the case for these guys’ innocence, since a copyright charge is a far less serious offense.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  291. @Wizard of Oz

    A Structural Reevaluation of the Collapse of World Trade Center 7

    The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11, contrary to the conclusions of NIST and private engineering firms that studied the collapse. The secondary conclusion of our study is that the collapse of WTC 7 was a global failure involving the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  292. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…That’s about the Israeli TV interview. Do you really think he was gratuitously disclosing a task that they had been given by Israeli intelligence?’

    It’s perfectly possible. The admiring circle-jerk staged by the media-that-is-Jewish-in-the-first-place notwithstanding, Mossad, while aggressive, is not especially competent. See that ridiculous assassination in Abu Dhabi or wherever.

    Then too, Jews cannot resist the temptation to kvell. See the boast that slipped out about how the Hezbollah functionary who had been responsible for running Hezbollah’s overseas operations for a decade or so had been an Israeli agent. That one got quashed when the implications of the admission dawned on our circumcised buddies but…

    Then there was the self-congratulation about having overthrown Morsi. Jews cannot shut up.

    If they ever want to join the big leagues, they’re going to have to master that. Look at British intelligence, for example. Oh wait…you mean there’s nothing to see?

    Yeah. That’s the point. Idiot fucking Israeli Jews are perfectly capable of implicating themselves in 9/11. They did.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  293. @Wizard of Oz

    Much more important is to know the timing.

    That analysis has been done. While I can’t vouch for everything at this site, it’s reliable in establishing Israeli foreknowledge on the basis of accumulated FBI data and other news reports:

    [It’s pretty obvious that the Israelis were sighted by this eyewitness at 8:51 or earlier (see Section 3 page 67), making the Israelis’ version of events physically and scientifically impossible without a suspension of the laws of causality and general relativity. And this is corroborated by the fact that the eyewitness’ friend was prompted to telephone her “immediately” after hearing the first plane crash, looking out and seeing the smoke; by another eyewitness who saw the Israelis “less than 5 minutes” after the first plane impact; by a third eyewitness who saw a white van with no side windows arrive and park in the same apartment block rear parking lot at 8:15 and found it was gone by 9:20; by a fourth eyewitness who saw a white van parked in the same parking lot and estimated the time to be as early as 8:00am; and by a fifth eyewitness who spotted Sivan Kurzberg at the Doric Towers apartment complex the day before 9/11.]

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  294. @AnonStarter

    I am not sure whether that is intended to answer my question(s) or how it might do so. That said I know of no reason to accept the conclusions of that report commissioned by the leading conspiracy group . If you are inclined to take it seriously then I would be obliged by links to reviews of it by peers in whatever form. Or is it difficult to find any qualified person to take it seriously?

    My principle reson for disregarding it in the context of Israeli guilt is that it is inconceivable that Mossad would have allowed such a stupid add-on to the basic easy-to-sell story. [Of course you can let imagination loose and suppose the Jewish owner got word of the main attack and was advised to update his insurance, after which he freelanced on WTC7. Problems include the fact that he wouldn’t have been told to expect total collapses and was only insuring as a condition of finance AND didn’t increase the insurance on W,TC7].

    So I still regard the collapse of WTC7 as being one of the elements telling against conspiracy, apart from the 19 Arabs and enablers.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  295. @AnonStarter

    I’ve gone through all the Captcha hoops and opened the long document you linked. On the face of it, with only a few pages read, it seems like a conscientious attempt to discover the truth. The redactions are certainly numerous and raise questions. Have you read and digested it all?

    So, yes, foreknowledge is deadly to Israeli innocence. That would still leave me totally unconvinced about demolition and particularly sceptical about WTC7 being included in the plot.

    I have long believed in some degree of Israeli foreknowledge that negates innocence in any strict sense

  296. @Colin Wright

    I can’t disagree with your “possible” though I am inclined also to be equivocal about Israeli boasting. It could also be chest beating to frighten other beasts which might or might not really serve Israeli interests..

    I am however *MUCH MORE* Impressed by the material AnonStarter has linked with respect to the timing question. Potentially that really does move Israel up the ladder of guilt. I am surprised that I haven’t heard of legal action being brought against the Israeli state claiming damages for the conspiracy to cause a trespass to property and to persons.

  297. @Wizard of Oz

    That said I know of no reason to accept the conclusions of that report commissioned by the leading conspiracy group.

    Nor do I know of any reason to accept the conclusions of the NIST report, since the forensic evidence at the largest crime scene in American history was removed from the site before it could be analyzed, precluding the possibility of a proper investigation.

    Your argument from authority is duly noted — and a logical fallacy at that. Care to address the science of the study?

    Probably not.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  298. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    Is it your position that they were guessing on the time, date, and place, just got incredibly lucky, and then pretended to foreknowledge afterwards?

    Hmm — how did the Arabs know that NORAD was down on 9/11 – those test days are always an internal secret.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  299. WHOA!! Arabs joining the IDF from neighboring countries. Guess they didn’t get the memos about the IDF has torture chambers for Palestinian children. LOL
    This just in. You think this will appear in the Palestinian Chronicle. I guess not

    https://unitedwithisrael.org/record-number-of-israeli-arabs-enlisting-in-idf/

    • LOL: AaronB
  300. This is an interesting take the Jewish version of why G-d chose the Muslims to guard the Jewish holy sites of the Temple Mount and the Cave of the Patriarchs which until 1967 Jews were not allowed to go past 7 steps into the building. What is with these Muslims? Also Issac not Ishmael is buried there. I would like to here a Islamic explanation of that, since it is your holy site. Where is Ismael buried?

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  301. @Art

    ‘Hmm — how did the Arabs know that NORAD was down on 9/11 – those test days are always an internal secret.’

    That’s interesting. What documentation do you have?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  302. Colin, your case against the Urban Movers has been *VERY GOOD*.

    In fact, I would be envious of your intellect — and that of many others — though it’s impermissible for me, as I hold that all good things are originally from God and, as such, gifts.

    And I can’t complain to God for all the blessings He’s given me.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  303. @Wizard of Oz

    The Jew Abraham Zapruder was in the perfect spot to “document” in color the assassination of JFK and his family live off the multimillion proceeds till this day. Did not a Jew who is friendly with Netanhanyu take out a multibillion insurance policy on the twin towers on the run up to their demolition? One can never rule out human conspiracy but my own take is that the “god” of the Jews looks after his own. The NT calls him the ruler of this world.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  304. bjondo says:

    The Devil went down to Georgia.
    Politicians are a dozen a promise.
    And the Devil can promise.

    Kemp, Carr, Ratshitburger, mighty for five.
    Down, hard and shameful, they will go.
    For every Devil’s gift, a Devil’s curse.

    Because of selfless Trump, two skunks likely prevail.
    Tomorrow, two more skunks knocked off stage.
    Small Joe to his basement; Zero back to the senate.

    5 dancing shlomos

  305. @Jack McArthur

    The trouble with the 9/11 insurance claims seems to be twofold. Larry Silverstein had only just bought the Twin Towers and, as a condition of obtaining finance, he was required to update the insurance. Nothing surprising there. And it seems significant that he apparently didn’t increase the insurance cover on WTC 7 which he already owned. Of course no rational plotters wanting the Arab hijackers to bear the while blame would have included WTC 7 in the plot.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Jack McArthur
  306. @Fran Taubman

    So, Fran…

    Only Jews and their supporters may take the vaccine for the dread Covid. Are you planning to declare genital mutilation is only for the Jews and their friends as well?

    I’m just trying to gauge how big a threat this is.

  307. @AnonStarter

    I’m not sure where my reply went. I suppose you are entitled to extend the notion of argument from authority to doubts raised about the qualifications of the authority. But it isn’t a logical fallacy and can carry quite a lot of common sense weight especially if you can’t find – and I surmise that you cannot find – reviews and responses, or any expert discussion to help assess its weight or claims to having any.

    So I pose back to you
    “Care toaddress the science of the study?”. No, I thought not. With what qualifications would you address it?

    Realistically we both have the excuse that, in a world with infinite claims on our curiosity one must ration one’s time. And you haven’t given me reason to elevate that study for urgent attention.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  308. @Colin Wright

    What could and would have been done if NORAD wasn’t down? In the few minutes when it might have been recognised that aircraft were flying where they shouldn’t be who was going to order the shooting down of civilian airliners with hundreds of passengers over populous cities? Would they not hope it was going to be the usual kind of hijacking for ransom, publicity or flight elsewhere. And who was going to assume total collapse of large buildings?

    It’s a red herring

  309. bjondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Required to update insurance for terrorism?

    Lucky Larry/Tiresome Larry.

    Clairvoyant Shlomo Larry.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/911-larry-silverstein-designed-new-wtc-7-one-year-attacks/214821/

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  310. @Ron Unz

    Ron, you have enough contributors whose articles do not even have or deserve the presence of your name on their threads. May I offer the name of one you should reach out to for added credibility, not least on the big, important and contestable subject of the Holocaust. He certainly won’t suffer from writer’s block.

    You could ask him to respond to
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/
    where Comments are closed.

    Professor Phillippe Sands QC I first came across as a very engaging and intelligent story teller here:

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/the-rat-line_phillipe-sands/12966390

    If you read his Wikipedia biography you will find that he is a human rights and international lawyer of great experience, as well as playwright and author, and may have been at Harvard Law School doing research when you were still at Harvard. His maternal grandfather lost nearly all his family in the Holocaust but you may welcome his contributions not only because he is used to facing facts calmly but because he would be entirely with you on the Iraq War and other American follies and crimes.

    Please see what you can get from him to supplement your tentative thoughts on the Holocaust which you seem to have left somewhat up in the air with

    Any conclusions I have drawn are obviously preliminary ones, and the weight others should attach to these must absolutely reflect my strictly amateur status. However, as an outsider exploring this contentious topic I think it far more likely than not that the standard Holocaust narrative is at least substantially false, and quite possibly, almost entirely so.

    That’s from near the end of your very long American Pravda, Holocaust Denial article in 2018. I think you have said much the same elsewhere. You might even get Sands to assist with your Project Honesty. He sounds OK.

    PS 1 it would be interesting to know where Geraldine Dokgue’s ABC RN Saturday Extra’s 4.5 to 6 million without objection that I have quoted before came from.
    PS2 I note that the recently appointed ex General and minister to head Yad Vashem is under criticism for being likely to bring Yad Vashem back to the “Jews are unique victims of genocide” line from one that encompassed the Armenian, Cambodians, Rwandans etc.

    Do you know if Yad Vashem has ever done a proper AI job on their records and other data to remove duplicates, the living , and the fictional? Might you offer to help them do it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Colin Wright
  311. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    May I offer the name of one you should reach out to for added credibility, not least on the big, important and contestable subject of the Holocaust…Phillippe Sands…If you read his Wikipedia biography you will find that he is a human rights and international lawyer of great experience…

    Well, if you want to try to get him to come here and defend his position, be my guest.

    But I published that very long article well over two years ago, and the additional evidence that’s subsequently accumulated has been so totally overwhelming that I just can’t see anyone making a plausible case in favor of the orthodox “Holocaust narrative.”

    I’d say there are something like 100 different pieces of powerful and persuasive evidence against it, and even if only 5 or 6 of them remain standing, it’s obviously fraudulent.

    If the professor you mention has actually written books on the Holocaust, that’s almost proof-positive he’s either a liar or a fool.

  312. @Ron Unz

    What about all the eye witness that were filmed in the 1990’s. Thousands of them. Are these people in your eyes not credible, with story after story with the same facts from people in different countries and different languages? To ignore eyewitness accounts of people who never saw their relatives again after entering those camps is the mark of a fool in my humble opinion. People bore witness Ron.

    There are many many stories of survivors. Who cares about chimney sizes etc.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Al Liguori
  313. @Wizard of Oz

    And you haven’t given me reason to elevate that study for urgent attention.

    The UAF report’s external peer reviewers:

    Gregory Szuladzinski, Ph.D, Chartered Consulting Engineer, Analytical Service Company
    Robert Korol, Ph.D, Emeritus Professor of Civil Engineering, McMaster University

    Szuladzinski has authored the following peer-reviewed articles in relation to WTC7:

    Some Misunderstandings Related to WTC Collapse Analysis, International Journal of Protective Structures, (Vol. 4, No. 2 / June 2013).
    Temporal considerations in collapse of WTC Towers, International Journal of Structural Engineering (IJSTRUCTE), Vol. 3, No. 3, 2012.

    Korol’s work in relation to WTC7:

    Reassessing the Plastic Hinge Model for Energy Dissipation of Axially Loaded Columns, Journal of Structures, Vol. 2014, Article ID 795257.
    Energy absorption potential of light weight concrete floors, Canadian Journal of Civil Engineering, (Vol. 39, pp: 1193-1201).
    Collapse Time Analysis of Multi-Story Structural Steel Buildings, The Open Civil Engineering Journal (Bentham Open), (Vol.5, 2011, pp. 25-35).

    Now given the removal of forensic evidence at ground zero prior to a criminal investigation, the UAE report merits no less attention than NIST’s unverifiable hypothesis.

    Some time ago, I presented a hypothesis to your queries — you’ve likely forgotten it. That hypothesis stated that, quite possibly, the original plan was for WTC7 to collapse in tandem with the neighboring WTC1, yet failed to do so as planned.

    What I’ve observed from your skepticism is that, more often than not, it’s aimed at undermining challenges to the official version of events. Were you to apply your intellect conversely, we’d see a different result. It would appear to be the obvious reason you’re so often met with suspicion.

  314. @Wizard of Oz

    “The trouble with the 9/11 insurance claims seems to be twofold. Larry Silverstein had only just bought the Twin Towers and, as a condition of obtaining finance, he was required to update the insurance. Nothing surprising there. And it seems significant that he apparently didn’t increase the insurance cover on WTC 7 which he already owned. Of course no rational plotters wanting the Arab hijackers to bear the while blame would have included WTC 7 in the plot.”

    Thank you but do you know if Silverstein profited from the insurance claim or did it simply cover losses i.e was he in no better position after the claim was settled than when the lease was taken out (I am not familiar with building leases) ?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  315. @Ron Unz

    If you haven t time or inclination to listen to the interview where I think you would agree that he comes over very well as sane,balanced and intelligent, do have a glance at the Wikipedia bio. You could get him to deal some savage blows to George W. Bush and Tony Blair on the legality of their war. And as you have set the preliminary criterion of his not having written on the Holocaust these quotes from Wikipedia are particularly relevant:

    [MORE]

    He is the author of seventeen books on international law, including Lawless World (2005) and Torture Team (2008). His book East West Street: On the Origins of Genocide and Crimes against Humanity (2016) has been awarded numerous prizes, including the 2016 Baillie Gifford Prize for Non-Fiction. His latest book is The Ratline: Love, Lies and Justice on the Trail of a Nazi Fugitive (2020) about Otto Wächter.

    and

    Bibliography

    General

    Lawless World: America and the Making and Breaking of Global Rules (2005; Arabic edition in 2007; Farsi edition in 2008; Chinese edition in 2012; Turkish edition forthcoming in 2016)

    Torture Team: Rumsfeld’s Memo and the Betrayal of American Values (2008; French edition in 2009)

    East West Street: On the Origins of Genocide and Crimes against Humanity (2016)

    My Lviv (2016; together with Józef Wittlin’s My Lwów, published as City of Lions)

    The Ratline: Love, Lies and Justice on the Trail of a Nazi Fugitive, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, London, 2020.

    Academic

    Principles of International Environmental Law (with Jacqueline Peel) (1995, 2003, 2012, 2019)

    International Law and Developing Countries: Essays in Honour of Kamal Hossain (ed. with Sharif Bhuiyan and Nico Schrijver) (2014)

    Hersch Lauterpacht, An International Bill of Rights (1945) (ed., with introduction) (2013)

    Selecting International Judges: Principle, Process and Politics (with Kate Malleson, Ruth Mackenzie and Penny Martin) (2010)

    The Manual of International Courts and Tribunals (ed. with Ruth Mackenzie, Cesare Romano, Yuval Shany), (2010)

    Bowett’s Law of International Institutions (with Pierre Klein) (2001, 2009)

    Justice for Crimes against Humanity (ed. with Mark Lattimer) (2003)

    From Nuremberg to the Hague (ed.) (2003)

    Vers une transformation du droit international? Institutionaliser le doute (2000)

    Environmental Law, The Economy and Sustainable Development (ed. with Richard Stewart and Richard Revesz) (2000)

    The International Court of Justice and Nuclear Weapons (ed., with Laurence Boisson de Chazournes) (1999)

    Greening International Law (ed.) (1993)

    The Antarctic and the Environment (ed. with Joe Verhoeven and Maxwell Bruce) (1992)

    Chernobyl: Law and Communication (1988)

    Given the severe requirements of your sceptical eye I looked for reviews of the book which seemed closest to the Holocaust and came up with

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/may/22/east-west-street-origin-genocide-crimes-against-humanity-philippe-sands-review

    [there is a .pdf copy of East West Street available for download if you want to check it for yourself].

    also

    https://www.australianbookreview.com.au/abr-online/archive/2016/186-october-2016-no-385/3593-neil-kaplan-reviews-east-west-street-on-the-origins-of-genocide-and-crimes-against-humanity-by-philippe-sands

    and

    https://academic.oup.com/jicj/article-abstract/16/4/959/5211212?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    and

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23739770.2017.1401341?scroll=top&needAccess=true

    where the reviewer describes it as the only book on international law he has found “spell-bimding”

    *** *** ***

    As I have said, but you have no reason to remember, my beliefs about the Holocaust start with the limited assumptions that
    1. Ridding Germany of Jews (flexibly defined) was one of Hitler’s subsidiary aims, and one which Himmler and Goebbels in particular pursued more single mindedly;
    2. After war broke out, if not before, greatly reducing Europe’s population of Untermenschen, especially Jews (partly because of the Communist taint) was also an important subsidiary war aim;;
    3. Causing trouble for the Brits in Palestine was a bonus;
    4. Genocide is a not uncommon urge or one difficult to understand looking back over history, pre-history and evolutionary psychology- no harder to understand than witchburnimg;
    5. There was a long history of anti-semitism in Germany and countries East of it
    6. Hitler had a politician’s nose for bad PR
    7. The numbers killed deliberately because they were Jews has not been proved to be anything like 6 million though I haven’t been able to do the work needed to close the gap between about 1.5 million and about 4.5 million.
    8. The use of gas in trucks and the development of gas chambers for efficiency and reducing the amount of shooting doesn’t seem inherently very unlikely though it is understandable that many/most people in Germany and the West refused to believe it;
    9. The numbers of deaths at Auschwitz have been exaggerated.

    I am not sure whether that is what you regard as underpinning the”orthodox Holocaust narrative” and forming a good part of it, but now that you say there has been additional overwhelming evidence, since your 2018 article, would you please favour your readers with an updated edition at least citing the further evidence. Can it,at least, explain
    where my simple view has been overtaken by solid evidence and the credibility of at least some of my assumptions damaged.

    Of course proof that, despite my assumptions being wholly or partly correct, the Nazi leaders, camp commanders and local tyrants simply did not follow through with the acts if savagery they might have led to would be best. But maybe it can’t be taken further than an extraordinary lack of evidence, given that it was aGerman government. Over to you.

    BTW I know a senior QC with international arbitrations that overlap those of Sand but I don’t suppose you would have any trouble contacting Sand at Matrix Chambers or London University.

    Just think of the splutter and point by the ADL if Sand was to give you substantial support, at least in effect.

  316. @bjondo

    And you believe that tripe from Veterans Today? If they haven’t had the socks sued off them for libel it would be because they are not worth suing.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  317. @Ron Unz

    Further to my long reply I see that we have both started off with some wrong assumptions.

    I have not suggested and do not suggest that he has a position to “defend” as you seem to suppose in your opening remarks. For my part I have taken seriously your statement two years ago

    that the weight others should attach to these [conclusions] must absolutely reflect my strictly amateur status.

    and have suggested just the kind of potential ally to make the spinmeisters at ADL and AIPAC feel slightly faint. To have a Jewish lawyer with his qualifications and standing even make an assessment along the lines of “some of the hardest claimed figures to substantiate are deaths of Jews at Auschwitz and how they died” would be huge. Where I would probe a little if I were in your position would be on the Nuremberg trials to see if he might have overcommitted himself previously on whether witnesses were coerced,for example, and might be prepared to revisit such issues, at least to the point of allowing some doubt. I haven’t read anything of his on Nuremberg but it is obvious he is no standard Zionist propagandist as he made friends of the sons of Otto Frank and Otto Wächter. BTW he mentioned in the broadcast something later than anything you can have been referring to, namely his access to the diary of Charlotte Wächter, widow of Otto and mother of Sand’s sot-of friend Horst.

  318. @Ron Unz

    On a completely different but also contentious subject I would be most interested in UR sorting out the true and false, good and bad, about George Soros and his political positions and influence.

    I was about to share David
    Cole’s indignation and contempt after reading

    https://www.takimag.com/article/soros-soars-gop-cowards-cower/print

    which castigated LA Republicans for letting Soros get away with buying election victory for a DA who is soft on crime. Then I did a bit of searching and wondered if Soros was doing more than any old-fashioned member of the English or Australian Bar would traditionally do, namely, object to three strikes legislation or any other legislated constraint on judicial discretion in sentencing, and also denial of bail to the poor.. That someone of his background, including in England, and being Jewish, should share those attitudes would neither surprise nor shock me.

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  319. @Jack McArthur

    I don’t know but I have read various dubiously sourced allegations about his insurance. As someone who has tried screwing better terms from businesses I would think it par for the course that Silverstein would try for NY benefit that might be available and, if he did seek cover against terrorist attack that wouldn’t have been available otherwise it doesn’t surprise me that he might have adverted to it. Suppose he said “what’s the worst danger to the Towers? ” and some bright young spark said “Well remember what happened to the Empire State Building and imagine terrorists with a plane three times the size and at twice the speed”.

    But what about the insurance company claimed against? Are we to suppose that it would run dead?

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  320. @AnonStarter

    I’ll have to remain even more unsure about what happened until I can follow up your links. I don’t recall your hypothesis that WTC 7 was meant to come down with WTC 1 and I can’t give it much credit. How was it supposed to happen and why if Mossad had a big hand in it? The only relevant conspiracy I can believe in is one involving Israel/Mossad and genuine planes flying into the towers. I see no evidence, though lots of assertions, that the Twin Towers were brought down by demolition, *or that Israel/,Mossad would have seen it as other than crazily risky for their purposes*. (Add the extraordinary coincidence of the plane that struck lower down causing the faster collapse and believing in prepared explosives becomes altogether bizarre. I don’t primarily rely on NIST having worked out how WTC 7 came down. I leave it for the moment that Mossad wouldn’t have planned to bring it down. But, if Silverstein had been forewarned, and assuming he had a motive I suppose he might have free lanced. No, better, he discovered WTC 7 burning, saw WTC 1 and 2 come down then worried that a damaged building would be much worse than a demolished one so had explosive demolition organised late in the day. He may well have been told that it was almost ready to collapse and wouldn’t need much of an explosion. How does that fit?

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  321. Not many are following or interested in the situation in Hong Kong, but please read the post, it might reveal something important about the position of the AngloAmerican Axis and China in the chaos coming.

    https://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news/section/4/162706/Dozens-of-ex-opposition-lawmakers-arrested-under-national-security-law

    On the surface, it’s an “outrageous” (to the AngloAmerican Axis and its agents in HK) infringement of the right political expression (they are arrested for an extra-governmental “preliminary” legislature election), and a heavy-handed response to this kind of provocation to reduce ChiCom control in HK as the SAR state sees it.

    But think about it deeply. Such a move will definitely lead to a strong reaction on the American and British side (and that would be an understatement). It could well mean being ejected from SWIFT, a Syrian-style (CAESAR) sanctions regime, laws to further brain drain Hong Kong, and even kinetic war. The HK SAR state probably knows how precarious its situation is right now. So why doing something that’ll eventually shoot themselves in the feet in terms of its widespread domestic and international (both mostly AngloAmerican) opposition?

    I can only conclude it’s intentional on HK SAR’s part. There was the talk of a “scorched earth policy” among domestic AngloAmerican agents in Hong Kong, during the period of active riots in 2019. By the intentional destruction of Hong Kong’s political and economic standing the AngloAmerican Axis wanted to render ChiCom’s control of Hong Kong untenable.

    Right now, under the Great Reset Agenda, Hong Kong as a financial pillaging and self-plundering center no longer has a role. what is useless must be disposed of, its components well repurposed. Given both the AngloAmerican Axis and China are pursuing the agenda, both have an interest to strip-mine Hong Kong of its best assets: real estate and political control to China, human resources (not even talents and labor) and capital to the AngloAmerican axis. What remains can be repurposed as one of the many technofascist zones that are being set up (maybe extending the Chinese social credit system and all the surveillance tech there). The SAR state works for their overlords in Beijing, Washington D.C. and London.

    Hong Kong wanted to reap the best of both worlds, and ends up being cheated by both and being robbed on all sides.

    (I might or might not refine my thesis in a post that can be sent here, but I barely have the time!)

    So what’s the deal? China would work with AngloAmerican Axis in specific spots where their interests converge. Draw your own conclusions, especially regarding the Great Reset…

  322. bjondo says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I believe Shlomo Larry.

    Mint Press not VT.

    How do you get so many comments?

    My one sometimes 2 per day now wasted on you.
    —————————————————————-

    Required to update insurance for terror attacks?
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    5 dancing shlomos

  323. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    “Soap,” “lampshades,” “gas chambers,” “shrunken heads,” “6 million,” “geysers of blood,” different colors of crematoria smoke for different ethnicities, innumerable lying “eyewitnesses,” transparently absurd “testimonies,” etc. http://judaism.is/holocaust.html

    And those video “testimonies” are already being manipulated by computer graphics and audio: http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#techfakes

    All of it discredited as entirely false. Children of the Father of Lies, exactly as God Himself judged in John 8:44.

    That said, my favorite is the gonif who said he escaped by pretending to be Jesus.

  324. @Wizard of Oz

    I can’t give it much credit.

    Why not? More damage, more insurance money, more impact upon public perception. Elementary logic.

    I see no evidence, though lots of assertions, that the Twin Towers were brought down by demolition

    I have, but I’m not about to delve into this in any depth right now. Suffice it to say that challenges to such theories usually fail to consider a broader range of hypotheses; they certainly do not demonstrate open-mindedness about the subject.

    For example, one skeptic argues that it would be impossible to have rigged the towers with explosives without having been noticed. That is not a strong argument, as it certainly is within the realm of possibility to have done so without revelation given a patient, protracted, and inconspicuous method of so doing — over a period of years, if not months. This also requires further understanding of access to load-bearing columns and the manner in which explosives might be concealed to the layperson.

    Of course, if these factors are considered well in advance, that would also reduce the risk of being discovered. But the fact that officials entrusted with care of the evidence had it carted off and kept from forensic examination is the linchpin here: Why should the plotters be concerned about being discovered when their men on the ground could abscond with the smoking gun and destroy it post haste?

    Now they weren’t able to cart away everything (e.g. dust samples), though none of this mattered, since the evidence that was destroyed was sufficient to allow them plausible deniability.

    Anyhow, the hypothesis that the buildings could have been rigged well in advance isn’t at all implausible.

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  325. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    We call your bluff! We’ll see your liar and raise you eight liars: Hermann “it was true in my mind” Rosenblat, Irene “Fecal Diamond Girl” Zisblatt, Joseph “faked my tattoo” Hirt, Binjamin “fragmented memories” Wilkomirski, Martin “never at Dachau” Zaidenstadt, Rabbi Joseph “I played among the stacked bodies” Polack, Simon “admitted liar” Wiesenthal, Elie “another confessed liar” Wiesel, Misha “my book made me $22.5 million” Defonseca, http://judaism.is/holocaust.html#eyewitnesses

    imbecilic “eyewitness” testimony

    the so called ‘Holocaust’ • theatre of the absurd https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66

    [MORE]

    Mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[1]
    Acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[2]
    Injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[3]
    Production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[4]
    Skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[5]
    Out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[6]
    Soap production from human fat, solemn burial of soap;[7]
    Underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[8]
    Killing in vacuum chamber or with steam or chlorine gas;[9]
    Mass graves with hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[10]
    Gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[11]
    Electrical conveyor-belt executions;[12]
    Cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[13]
    SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[14]
    Removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[15]
    Blue haze after gassing with hydrocyanic acid (which is colorless);[16]
    Singing of national anthems and the Internationales by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence for atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[17]
    Rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[18]
    Killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrocyanic acid;[19]
    Muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contract so strongly that it makes the buckets jump about;[20]
    Introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles.[21]
    The SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh.[22]
    Mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KZ commander Koch (Buchenwald).[23]
    Breathed through a keyhole in a gas chamber door at Flossburg to stay alive, cursed the SS when they opened the door, then ran away. [24]

    References:

    A. Rückerl, op. cit. (note 141), p. 273f.; E. Wiesel, Paroles d’Etranger, Editiondu Seuil, Paris 1982, p. 86; A. Eichmann, in: H. Arendt, op. cit. (note 179), p.184; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), p. 214.
    F. Müller, in: H. Langbein, op. cit. (note 151), v. 1, p. 87; witness Wells in the Eichmann Trial, in: F. J. Scheidl, op. cit. (note 74), v. 4, p. 236.
    H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit. (note 152), pp. 383f.
    H. Langbein, ibid., p. 381.
    R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), p. 130; H. Tauber, in: J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), pp. 489f.; F. Müller, Sonderbehandlung, Steinhausen,Munich 1979, pp. 207f., 217ff.; H. Langbein, Menschen in Auschwitz, op. cit.(note 152), p. 148; B. Naumann, op. cit. (note 142), pp. 10, 334f., 443; S. Steinberg, according to: Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes überKriegsverbrechen (ed.), Konzentrationslager Dokument 321, Reprint 2001, Frankfurt/Main 1993, p. 206; and many more.
    E. Bonhoeffer, op. cit. (note 213), pp. 48f.
    S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 15/16 & 17/18, 1946; the Soviets wanted to make this one of the charges at the IMT (exhibit USSR-393), but this plan failed due to the other Allies; cf. H. Härtle, Freispruch für Deutschland, Schütz, Göttingen 1965, pp. 126ff.; the Greenwood Cemetery in Atlanta (Georgia, USA) is not the only site to boast a Holocaust-memorial gravestone for 4 bars of “Jewish soap”. Cf. also the following corrections: R. Harwood, D. Felderer, JHR 1(2) (1980) pp. 131-139; M. Weber, JHR 11(2) (1991) pp. 217-227.
    Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. S. Szende, Der letzte Jude aus Polen, Europa-Verlag, Zürich 1945; S. Wiesenthal, Der neue Weg (Vienna), 19/20, 1946.
    Aside from C. Mattogno, op. cit. (note 339), cf. esp. W. Grossmann, Die Hölle von Treblinka, Verlag für fremdsprachige Literatur, Moscow 1947; The Black Book of Polish Jewry, Roy Publishers, New York 1943.
    Aside from note 349, cf. also W. Benz, Dimension des Völkermords, Oldenbourg, Munich 1991; pp. 320, 469, 479, 489, 537ff.
    Reports of the Polish underground movement, Archiv der Polnischen Vereinigten Arbeiterpartei, 202/III, v. 7, pp. 120f., quoted in: P. Longerich, op. cit.(note 271), p. 438.
    Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945, cf. U. Walendy, Historische Tatsachen No. 31: “Die Befreiung von Auschwitz 1945”, Verlag für Volkstum und Zeitgeschichtsforschung, Vlotho 1987, p. 4.
    H. von Moltke, Briefe an Freya 1939-1945, Beck, Munich 1988, p. 420; cf. P. Longerich (ed.), op. cit. (note 271), p. 435; Pravda, Feb. 2, 1945.
    Nürnberger Nachrichten, Sept. 11, 1978, report about eyewitness testimony in the jury court trial in Aschaffenburg.
    R. Höß, in: M. Broszat (ed.), op. cit. (note 71), pp. 161f.; A. Rückerl, NS-Prozesse, op. cit. (note 127), p. 78; H. Grabitz, NS-Prozesse., op. cit. (note191), p. 28.
    R. Böck, Frankfurt Public Prosecutor’s Office, Ref. 4 Js 444/59, pp. 6881f.
    H. G. Adler, H. Langbein, E. Lingens-Reiner (eds.), Auschwitz – Zeugnisse und Berichte, Europäische Verlagsanstalt, Cologne 1984, p. 76.
    R. Aschenauer (ed.), Ich, Adolf Eichmann, Druffel, Leoni 1980, pp. 179f.
    Verdict of the Hannover District Court, Ref. 2 Ks 1/60; cf. H. Lichtenstein, op. cit. (note 84), p. 83.
    F. Müller, op. cit. (note 345), p. 74.
    M. Scheckter and a report of June 4, 1945, written by an officer of the 2nd Armored Division, about Auschwitz; Französisches Büro des Informationsdienstes über Kriegsverbrechen (ed.), op. cit. (note 345), p. 184.
    David Pressac, in J.-C. Pressac, op. cit. (note 17), p. 554, fourth column, lines 17-22.
    Kurt Glass, New York Times, April 10. 1995. from: ‘Death Was Our Destiny’,p.49-50, by Arnold Friedman, Vantage Press, 1972.
    Arnold Friedman, Death Was Our Destiny, Vantage Press, 1972, p.49-50

    The Most Ridiculous Testimony

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7033

    child surviving six gassings in a gas chamber that never existed;[356]
    woman survived three gassings because Nazis kept running out of gas;[357]
    fairy tale of a bear and an eagle in a cage, eating one Jew per day;[358]
    mass graves expelling geysers of blood;[359]
    erupting and exploding mass graves;[360]
    soap production from human fat with imprint “RIF ” – ‘Reine Juden Seife’ (pure Jewish soap), solemn burial of soap;[361]
    the SS made sausage in the crematoria out of human flesh;[362]
    lampshades, book covers, driving gloves for SS officers, saddles, riding breeches, house slippers, and ladies handbags of human skin;[363]
    pornographic pictures on canvasses made of human skin;[364]
    mummified human thumbs were used as light switches in the house of Ilse Koch, wife of KL commander Koch (Buchenwald);[365]
    production of shrunken heads from bodies of inmates;[366]
    acid or boiling-water baths to produce human skeletons;[367]
    muscles cut from the legs of executed inmates contracted so strongly that they made the buckets jump about;[368]
    an SS-father potshooting babies thrown into the air while 9-year old SS-daughter applauds and shrieks: “Papa, do it again; do it again, Papa!”[369]
    Jewish children used by Hitler-Youth for target practice;[370]
    wagons disappearing on an incline into the underground crematoria in Auschwitz (such facilities never existed);[371]
    forcing prisoners to lick stairs clean, and collect garbage with their lips;[372]
    injections into the eyes of inmates to change their eye color;[373]
    first artificially fertilize women at Auschwitz, then gas them;[374]
    torturing people in specially mass-produced “torture boxes” made by Krupp;[375]
    torturing people by shooting at them with wooden bullets to make them talk;[376]
    smacking people with special spanking machines;[377]
    killing by drinking a glass of liquid hydrogen cyanide (which, scientifically considered, evaporates quickly and would endanger those who pouring it into said glass);[378]
    killing people with poisoned soft drinks;[379]
    underground mass extermination in enormous rooms, by means of high voltage electricity;[380]
    blast 20,000 Jews into the twilight zone with atomic bombs;[381]
    killing in vacuum chamber, hot steam or chlorine gas;[382]
    mass murder in hot steam chamber;[383]
    mass murder by tree cutting: forcing people to climb trees, then cutting the trees down;[384]
    killing a boy by forcing him to eat sand;[385]
    gassing Soviet POWs in a quarry;[386]
    gas chambers on wheels in Treblinka, which dumped their victims directly into burning pits; delayed-action poison gas that allowed the victims to leave the gas chambers and walk to the mass graves by themselves;[387]
    rapid-construction portable gas chamber sheds;[388]
    beating people to death, then carrying out autopsies to see why they died;[389]
    introduction of Zyklon gas into the gas chambers of Auschwitz through shower heads or from steel bottles;[390]
    electrical conveyor-belt executions;[391]
    bashing people’s brains in with a pedal-driven brain-bashing machine while listening to the radio;[392]
    cremation of bodies in blast furnaces;[393]
    cremation of human bodies using no fuel at all;[394]
    skimming off boiling human fat from open-air cremation fires;[395]
    mass graves containing hundreds of thousands of bodies, removed without a trace within a few weeks; a true miracle of improvisation on the part of the Germans;[396]
    killing 840,000 Russian POWs at Sachsenhausen, and burning the bodies in 4 portable ovens;[397]
    removal of corpses by means of blasting, i.e., blowing them up;[398]
    SS bicycle races in the gas chamber of Birkenau;[399]
    out of pity for complete strangers – a Jewish mother and her child – an SS-man leaps into the gas chamber voluntarily at the last second in order to die with them;[400]
    blue haze after gassing with hydrogen cyanide (which is colorless);[401]
    singing of national anthems and the Communist International by the victims in the gas chamber; evidence of atrocity propaganda of Communist origin;[402]
    a twelve-year old boy giving an impressive and heroic speech in front of the other camp children before being ‘gassed’;[403]
    filling the mouths of victims with cement to prevent them from singing patriotic or communist songs.[404]

    References begin here: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndvalue.html#ftn355

    192 instances of “Remarkable Nonsense about the Holocaust”

    https://web.archive.org/web/20050830023745/http://www.corax.org/revisionism/nonsense/nonsense.html

  326. Talha says:

    LOL! Imam Borat tried to take someone to court for defamation and lost the case:

    “Tawhidi has also claimed to have attained a bachelor and master’s degree from Al-Mustafa University in Iran, but the school has repeatedly stated that he failed to graduate, dropping out after only one year of tertiary studies.”

    What a joke!

    Peace.

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  327. @Wizard of Oz

    As I wrote I am not suggesting another conspiracy theory at the human level though I cannot rule that out however, I think there were big problems in offloading the WTC because of asbestos (which I know a little about) as the clean out costs or demolition costs of buildings that scale would have been huge plus ongoing liability for claims (my brother in law died decades after coming into contact with asbestos). The short answer is that no sane property investor would touch such a risk because no sane insurer would cover the risk on anything but the most extortionate premiums.

    Of course the above argument rests on if asbestos was heavily present in the WTC and reliable sources says it was indeed in very large quantities.
    https://www.asbestos.com/world-trade-center/?PageSpeed=noscript

    I am struggling to understand how Silverstein was able to get insurance on those buildings or why he would pay extortionate premiums that any sensible insurer would charge. The conspiracy theorists would I guess simply say that he knew they were coming down and knowing he would never have to carry the cost for the safe demolition of the twin towers……

    The lease agreement would perhaps answer some of these questions.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  328. ‘They took everything from me’: Israel destroyed his house. A month later they shot and paralyzed his son.

    New Year’s Day.

    Soldiers from the world’s most moral army show up to issue a demolition order to Abu Aram’s neighbor, giving him 96 hours to evacuate. Abu Aram and his son, Harun, hear screaming from their neighbors’ wife and children, then run out to see what’s happening.

    They see the soldiers acting aggressively, pushing and shoving even the women and children, then throwing things out of the house and confiscating them. Abu Aram and Harun try to intervene when the soldiers grab a generator that powers both Abu Aram’s house as well as his neighbors’.

    In the struggle to keep the generator without which they’ll have no electricity, Harun is shot in the neck and collapses. Now he’s on life support, likely a quadriplegic.

    Here’s how Israel tried to spin it:

    The Israeli army said in a statement following the shooting, that “a violent riot” was instigated when the troops were “evacuating an illegal building” in at-Tuwani village, claiming that the soldiers were allegedly attacked by Palestinians with a “massive amount of rocks.”

    See for yourself:

    Supplemental link:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2021/01/yet-another-israeli-atrocity-in-occupied-territory-ups-pressure-on-dems-and-liberal-zionists-to-condition-us-aid/

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Talha
  329. @Talha

    Looks like Tawhidi had been after Awad and his wife for some time before the tweet that started this. Not only did Tawhidi fail badly, he now has to defend himself against the very real possibility of incurring damages for defamation. Here’s the ruling:

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/cases/vic/VSC/2020/847.html?context=1;query=Tawhidi;mask_path=

    As my teacher used to say, “When someone throws a government at you, throw it back at him.”

    was-salaam.

    • LOL: Talha
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  330. @AnonStarter

    A better video of the incident:

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  331. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Homeboy has been going full-throttle pro-UAE propaganda ever since UAE became chummy with Israel.

    Wa salaam.

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  332. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    the troops were “evacuating an illegal building” in at-Tuwani village

    Boy, have I got the addresses of a whole hell of a lot of illegal buildings these guys could be evacuating…of course Jewish settlers live there so it’s highly unlikely.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  333. @Talha

    Never even heard of the guy until now.

    Sounds like a real charmer.

    was-salaam.

  334. @Talha

    From the supplemental link above:

    The Israeli dissenters’ group Breaking the Silence says that Abu Aram lives in an area designated for military exercised.

    In November soldiers demolished Abu Aram’s house. He lives in ‘Firing Zone 918’, an area that has been designated for IDF training—meaning Palestinian residents, many of whom have lived there since before Israel even existed, are on the verge of eviction.

    If we’re looking at international law, any signatory or group of signatories to the UN charter has the right to wage war with Israel in order to affect its compliance with it.

    All entirely legal.

    • Replies: @Talha
  335. @AnonStarter

    For an intelligent starred commenter you are surely testing even Ron’s liking for the exotic😉

    Really! ” a “possibility [only] of a a patient, protracted, and inconspicuous method of so doing — over a period of years, if not months.” and you can ignore the reasoning of the only realistically possible high grade [Israeli]plotters of the demolition version. Also you have excluded Silverstein from anything but last minute opportunism because he had only just bought the Twin Towers.

    Why does demolition of the towers not figure realistically in the Israeli plan to take advantage of what they know about – and can nudge – of the Al Qaeda plot? To start with everything worse-than -fails if Israel is definitively caught out at any point. That could be during the laying of the demolition charges or the charges just being discovered , and remember that could be – according to you – , a long time in the future and it could be *after one of the planes has failed to hit a tower*. Tbc…. but let me pose one or two of the problems your top ally, our host, won’t admit to by answering.

    First I refer to the extraordinary coincidence of the Tower which had much greater weight above the point of impact coming down first by a large margin, exactly what the weakening by fire plus gravity thesis predicts or allows for. What planned placement and firing of demolition charges is going to cope with unpredictable piloting?

    Then I invite you to drop any reliance on the collapse of the buildings into their own footprints because it just wasn’t so. Have a look at pictures of the residual framework on at least one building and also consider steel beams projected hundreds of feet. (While inviting you to consider pictures I might also refer to the raging fires where the planes crashed as countering glib denials that the heat could have weakened the steel frames enough).

    Clearly any heavy involvement of Mossad would have to be approved at high level. Just consider the danger of an outbreak of conscience or just concern for family members that might break out. If you were chief plotter you would need backing, and backing that could be checked on. So…. what does the high level approval stipulate? “No risks! It doesn’t matter if this turns into a terrorist attack by four groups of jihadists foiled, so no big attack on Muslims follows. It is a disaster if any of it appears to be planned or facilitated by Israel. Keep it simple! Keep it hands-off. Keep it deniable. Make sure Al Qaeda will be blamed. (And try to make sure not too many Jews are killed while you are at it**)?”.

    **Have you considered how the timing of the attacks – quite early in the working day – might have been an attempt to protect the staff of financial firms that would employ lots of Jews. I guess people dealing on West Coast and Asia-Pacific markets wouldn’t be early starters.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @AnonStarter
  336. @Jack McArthur

    The following article from 1990 describes the risks associated with investments in commercial properties containing asbestos:
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-02-18-fi-1595-story.html

    This article from a conspiracy debunking site seems to describe a number of potential buyers in the market for the WTC (Jewish sounding names) and not just Silverstein. There is a vague mention of asbestos removal costs being reflected in the price but not liability for any future litigation or insurance premiums and scope.
    http://www.911myths.com/html/losing_money_at_the_wtc_.html

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  337. @Wizard of Oz

    My last, footnoted point is typical of the weak points that people on threads like the UR ones touching 9/11 indulge and treat for years as worthy of consideration. On a little reflection I abandon it in favour of the comparatively early hour being chosen to guarantee that all four planes were likely to be in the air at the same time and no one waiting to take off when the first target was struck. That raises another point I haven’t seen mentioned. What if a flight was suddenly cancelled or greatly delayed. The jihadists would presumably have done what was necessary, spent what was necessary, to get on another early plane. Another count against any of the high tech theories of control.

  338. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    These things take time. Gotta get the house in order first.

    Have you ever read Allama Iqbal’s poem “Shikwa” and “Jawab e Shikwa”? In “Shikwa” (Complaint), the poet complains to Allah swt about the unfortunate state of the Ummah. He states how “we Muslims” did this and that in the service of the religion so why has He granted favors to other nations?

    In “Jawab e Shikwa” (Answer to the Complaint), the Divine answer comes back and castigates the Muslims:
    How hard you find upon yourselves waking for the morning prayer,
    Who says you have any love for Me? Your sleep it is, that you love.

    The burden of fasting in Ramadhan bears heavily upon your freedom?
    You be the honest judge yourselves: Is this a sign of faithfulness?

    Nations are defined by their religions; in religion lies their sanctuary,
    Take your cue from what binds the stars; without gravity, there is no galaxy!

    The ones in the world who have no skill – that’s you.
    The community that has no care for its nest – that’s you.

    The harvest that would be carefree amidst lightning bolts – that’s you.
    Those who eat by selling their ancestors’ tombs – that’s you.

    …see below the more tag for some more stanzas…

    A very nice qawwali rendition was done here:

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    Who, with their foreheads, established My Ka’bah?
    Who pressed My Qur’an to their breast?

    They were your fathers, of course – **but who are you?**
    With hands folded together, you wait for tomorrow!

    If people go and form lines in the mosques, then it’s the poor.
    If people are inclined to take the trouble of fasting, then it’s the poor.

    If someone takes Our Name, then it’s the poor.
    If someone maintains Our Honor, then it’s the poor.

    The rich, in the intoxication of wealth, are heedless of Us,
    The pure community is alive through the poor.

    Self-destruction is your practice, you’re so arrogant and self-regarding,
    You flee from brotherhood, they sacrificed themselves for brotherhood.

    You’re from head to foot, all talk – they, from head to foot, were all character,
    You long for the bud, they held themselves aloof from the entire rose-garden.

    To this day the communities remember their story,
    The stamp of their sincerity is on the page of existence!

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  339. bjondo says:

    Ga: And the stealing goes on just like before.
    And the stealing goes on thieves in the night.
    Kemp, Carr, Ratshitburger, & Stacy Abrams.
    Scratch done poor this time: four empty souls.
    Three sad sack losers and a short term winner.

    Trump victorious, hopefully gets rid of Pence.

    5 dancing shlomos

  340. @Wizard of Oz

    Also you have excluded Silverstein from anything but last minute opportunism because he had only just bought the Twin Towers.

    So we’re speaking on behalf of Silverstein as well as Mr. Unz now? Okay. Didn’t realize I was dealing with a clairvoyant.

    First I refer to the extraordinary coincidence of the Tower which had much greater weight above the point of impact coming down first by a large margin, exactly what the weakening by fire plus gravity thesis predicts or allows for.

    And suddenly we can speak to the science? Funny how that works: one post, it’s too complicated, the next, you’re Bill Nye.

    What planned placement and firing of demolition charges is going to cope with unpredictable piloting?

    Perhaps you should add your input to the Quora discussion here:

    https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-9-11-planes-were-remotely-controlled-or-did-the-barely-trained-hijacker-pilots-really-pilot-them

    Most of the participants, like you, defend the official version, yet nearly everyone there dismisses the notion that striking the Towers would have been difficult for the hijackers, including trained pilots.

    Just consider the danger of an outbreak of conscience or just concern for family members that might break out.

    Yes, just imagine … as if this speculation constitutes some kind of evidence.

    Feel free to continue. I don’t have much interest in this, but you don’t do yourself many favors by restricting your range of hypotheses.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Wizard of Oz
  341. @Talha

    Beautiful, ma sha ALLAH. Simply perfect.

    Shukran kathreen!

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
  342. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…Do you know if Yad Vashem has ever done a proper AI job on their records and other data to remove duplicates, the living , and the fictional? Might you offer to help them do it’

    The thought of Ron Unz helping Yad Vashem out with their records is pretty exciting — but I don’t think ol’ Yad will go for it.

  343. @AnonStarter

    ‘…Some time ago, I presented a hypothesis to your queries — you’ve likely forgotten it. That hypothesis stated that, quite possibly, the original plan was for WTC7 to collapse in tandem with the neighboring WTC1, yet failed to do so as planned…’

    The problem I have with all this is that if planes aren’t the cause, why stage the hijackings at all?

    Just plant a laundry service truck or something and a paper trail — say it was done like in 1993 or whenever it was.

    Why bother with the hijackings, etc? A million things could go wrong. How does it look if none of the planes show up and the buildings blow?

    I can’t see it. If 9/11 was an ‘inside job,’ so to speak, al Qaeda hijacking airliners is the most problematical cover I could think of. A million things could go wrong. It would be a Rube Goldberg of a plot.

    The Israelis just aren’t that stupid. Not as bright as they think they are — but not that stupid, either.

  344. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…That someone of his background, including in England, and being Jewish, should share those attitudes would neither surprise nor shock me.’

    That’s just it. A lot of these ‘Progressive except for Palestine’ Jews have the most laudable motives in the world — at least as they frame issues.

    …Unfortunately, whatever they may think they’re doing, they’re termites, and they’re destroying our civilization.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  345. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright

    Simon Shack, September Clues, thinks no planes involved.

    http://www.septemberclues.info/ (might be link)

    Famous Michael Hezarkhani video of plane melting into WTC2:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?
    q=michael+hezarkhani+video+of+plane+melting+into+wtc2&docid=608047729060417306&mid=75FC8C623A6E5B787A7875FC8C623A6E5B787A78&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michael+hezarkhani+video+of+plane+melting+into+wtc2&docid=608047729060417306&mid=75FC8C623A6E5B787A7875FC8C623A6E5B787A78&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    We should know by now “they” can say, do whatever and get away with it.

    Sure your familiar with above.

  346. @AnonStarter

    So we’re speaking on behalf of Silverstein …?

    Okay, at least we’ve debunked the myth of my intelligence.

    Yes, I can also speculate concerning Silverstein’s motive. Point taken.

  347. @AnonStarter

    Yo are not much interested? Perhaps that explains your flippant advocacy of not restricting my range of hypotheses though,being compulsive in my noticing of nuances of language I suppose “restrict” could be different from eliminating by reason. Otherwise I say that a properly rational and scientific approach requires the elimination of hypotheses after fine tuning them to give tbem their best shot at being explanatory.

    Equally your denial that consideration of the necessary human underpinnings of a plot is evidence seems to constitute a denial on your part that the emotions, motives and reasoning of those involved in the plot could be relevant to understanding the probabilities involved. That is obviously absurd unless you fantasise that the actors are all eunuchs from age 1 brought up by eunuchs in the Sutan’s harem and preserved for military service.

    I note, before I forget, that I really don’t care much about (am not much interested in) 9/11 but can’t resist noticing and attacking sloppy arguments (the occasional ones from our clever host being the most challenging).

    I have myself been a pilot and can’t believe you are seriously proposing that the planes might have been remote controlled. [Addendum….Ah, I couldn’t believe Quora was really making you take that idea seriously so I have read the linked piece and see that you think the pilots knew exactly at what levels to hit, and did so, which is almost more ridiculous] and I see that you are, on the contrary At that rate you will have to be classified as one of the “anything but the NIST report” nutters. And once you toss out the remote control hypothesis (and a fortiori the CGI one) you have to face the problem of uncertainty about where both towers are going to be struck (as well as planning for one being missed altogether and the explosives discovered).

    Obviously I am not defending the official version as such but don’t like to see irresponsible fanning of conspiracy theories however much fun it might be and it is surely irresponsible to float ideas like explosives being planted over years beforehand and a bit surprising even from one who is not much interested when you realise how it exculpates Larry Silverstein, a favourite accomplice of Mossad.

    *** ***
    But now I see you have linked cases in the Suprene Court of Victoria between Shia and Sunni Muslims. Intriguing. Are you Australian, or living in Australia?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  348. @Colin Wright

    How does it look if none of the planes show up and the buildings blow?

    I’ll get to this a.s.a.p.

  349. @Wizard of Oz

    Can’t write a full response now, but I just wanted to address this:

    I have myself been a pilot and can’t believe you are seriously proposing that the planes might have been remote controlled.

    Dear Wizard, please don’t make me think you’re on par with Fran and Aaron here. That is not what I proposed at all. I wrote:

    Most of the participants, like you, defend the official version, yet nearly everyone there dismisses the notion that striking the Towers would have been difficult for the hijackers, including trained pilots.

    All you’ve shown me is that your opinion differs from that of other trained pilots, which doesn’t speak to the probability of the hijackers striking the towers.

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  350. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Wa iyyakum – it really is a gem. Iqbal (ra) saw this loss of fortune with his own eyes. He didn’t live to see Israel established, but he did see practically everything preceding it and the Muslim world being overwhelmed and beset in every region…I wonder if our iman would have been strong enough to get through that era.

    Jawab e Shikwah states further…
    Each one of you is drenched in the wine of lethargy,
    So you are a Muslim? But just what is “Muslim” about you?

    Neither have you the contentment of Ali, nor the wealth of Uthman,
    What spiritual connection can you claim with your predecessors?

    They, as staunch believers, earned themselves their place,
    You, gave up the book and earned yourselves disgrace.

    It reminds me of the statement of the second caliph, Umar (ra) (from al-Mustadrak of Imam Hakim [ra]):
    “Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah honored us, Allah will disgrace us.”

    I was reading over Mr. Guyenot’s comments about how important it is for a people to have heroes; and I fully agree. I try to sit with my sons for 10-15 minutes, five times a week to cover a topic of the deen, often times it is a personality. We are currently going through Mus’ab ibn Umayr (ra). Tonight I spoke to them about how important it is to have heroes and that a nation without heroes will falter and be lost, and how it is necessary to have the right ones…and how fortunate they are that they are part of a tradition that will pass on this legacy of heroes to them while their peers have rock stars or athletes or youtube personalities. See the rest below…

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    We recently covered Abu Ubaydah bin Jarrah (ra); who was the general instrumental in the conquest of the Levant and was governor of Greater Syria and – as reported by Imam Abu Dawud (ra):
    Umar ibn al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, when he arrived in Syria, he said to Abu ‘Ubaydah, “Let us go to your house.” Abu ‘Ubaydah said, “You want nothing but to shed tears for me?” Umar entered his house and he saw nothing. Umar said, “Where are your provisions? I do not see anything but rags, a water-skin, and a dish. You are governor! Do you have food?” Abu ‘Ubaydah went to a bucket and took out some scraps, and Umar wept. Abu ‘Ubaydah said to him, “I told you that you would shed tears over me, O commander of the faithful. It is enough for you to have in the world what lets you reach the final place of rest.” Umar said, “The world has changed all of us except for you, O Abu ‘Ubaydah.”

    Abu Ubaydah (ra) was also the one who told the commanders under him to return the jizyah they had collected from a location because they were going to have to withdraw to regroup due to a large incoming Byzantine offensive. Because they could not hold up their part of the agreement for protecting the populace, they gave back the money that was part of the covenant. I wonder; do you think any Muslim army of the day is at that spiritual level or is it more likely they would have split with the money without a second thought…and possibly even plundered the populace? These are things we have to be honest about.

    Umar (ra) himself, as well as Abu Bakr (ra), were at service to the people, as reported by Imam Asaakir (ra):
    Umar ibn al-Khattab was committed to an old, disabled blind woman who lived on the outskirts of Medina. At night he would draw water for her and manage her affairs. When he came to her place one time, he found that someone else had preceded him and taken care of what she needed. So Umar came to her again, lest someone come to her before him, and he lay in wait. He found that it was Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, who had already come to serve her; he was Caliph at the time.

    My point in this is that, how can we seriously not see that Allah swt has allowed a small nation founded by a group of mostly atheist ethno-nationalists to completely outmanuever the Ummah as a humiliation for how far we have strayed from the examples of those men.

    If you read through through the Jawab e Shikwah, you realize, that generation was given what they were given, because they didn’t care; they could hold the world in their hands and it wouldn’t enter their hearts as they had been taught:
    Umar (ra) said; I entered the room of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) while he was lying on his side over a mat. I sat down as he drew up his lower garment and he was not wearing a top. The mat had left marks on his side. I looked at the Prophet’s cupboard and I saw a handful of barely in a small amount, the same of mimosa leaves in the corner, and a leather bag hanging to the side. My eyes started to tear up, and the Prophet said, “What makes you weep, son of Khattab?” I said, “O Prophet of Allah, why should I not cry that this mat has left marks on your side and I see little in this cupboard? Caesar and Khosrau live among fruits and springs, while you are the Messenger of Allah and His chosen, yet this is your cupboard.” The Prophet said, “O son of Khattab, are you not pleased that they are for us in the Hereafter and for them in the world?” I said, “Of course.” – reported in Muslim

    The answer to the complaint of why Muslims are lacking in prosperity and power and honor is; the fact that they would complain about the lack of these things is the greatest evidence that they don’t deserve them. You will not read about that generation complaining to Allah swt that they didn’t have what the Byzantines or the Persians had – you simply don’t find reports of them complaining about these things and – if they did – the Prophet (pbuh) would guide them not to.

    I think the best suplication for our era is reflected in the words of the Prophet (pbuh) when he was forced out by the people of Ta’if who pelted him with stones:
    To You, my Lord, I complain of my weakness, my lack of support and the humiliation I am made to receive.
    Most Compassionate and Merciful! You are the Lord of the weak, and You are my Lord.
    To whom do You leave me? To a distant person who receives me with hostility? Or to an enemy You have granted power over me?
    **As long as You are not displeased with me, I do not care what I face.**
    I would, however, be happier with Your mercy.
    I seek refuge in the light of Your Contenace by which all darkness is dispelled and both this life and the life to come are put in their right course against incurring Your wrath or being the subject of Your anger.
    **To You belongs obedience, until You are pleased.** There is no power or strength without You.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  351. @Jack McArthur

    ⁸I haven’t read your last link properly but I do agree that the asbestos question and the asbestos related insurance questions deserve attention. In your first link, which I had discovered independently, you may have noticed that the builders stopped using asbestos after the 40th floor as regulations were about to change. One can imagine some up and coming insurance executive or broker, keen to get Silverstein and Lowy’s business allowing himself to be conned by assurances that they had a program for stripping the asbestos over X years and, in the meantime, covering it with impermeable protective material. So, one doesn’t have to suppose that there was a conspiracy of Jews against non Jews to dud the investors in insurance.

    It goes without saying that Silverstein would have used asbestos to talk the price down that he had to pay the New Yor Port Authority.
    BTW it occurs to me that there was, very likely, some huge tax advantage in the way things were set up for Silverstein,possibly .asking all the costs of dealing with asbestos an instant tax write off.

    • Replies: @Jack McArthur
  352. @Colin Wright

    I’m not sure what you are saying. If liberal (John Stuart Mill, not American, sense) Jews have laudable motives on issues other than Palestine, how come they are undermining our civilisation? Specifically, what problem do you have with ideas about criminal justice that I regard and describe as traditional amongst counsel in the common law world?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  353. @AnonStarter

    I didn’t see anything that would have justified the use of a firearm but I also can’t see anyone aiming or firing a firearm so what am I missing? What makes that a better video?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  354. @AnonStarter

    Ad.ittedli I may have caused confusion by changing tack after reading your link and merely insering my update but I want to be sure we are now on the same page. We are agreed I trust that there isn’t any great problem about accepting that flying the planes into the buildings was not beyond partly trained pilots and was in fact done.

    That still leaves it as unlikely that any plotters would have counted on the suicidal jihadist pilots hitting the towers at exactly the right levels to provide over for the demolitions that had been arranged.

  355. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘I’m not sure what you are saying. If liberal (John Stuart Mill, not American, sense) Jews have laudable motives on issues other than Palestine, how come they are undermining our civilisation? ‘

    They vigorously promote massive illegal immigration, wholesale black criminality, and progressively more outrageous and even improbable forms of sexual deviance — even going so far as to try to inculcate it into children.

    Could they be doing more to undermine our civilization if they tried?

    My point is that what their motives are is secondary. The effect of their actions is intolerable.

  356. @Wizard of Oz

    What should have happened as part of any investigation was Silverstein under oath providing firm details regarding the deal, the insurance etc so that any human conspiracy could have been discounted regarding profiting from the collapse. What the debunkers claim may be true, their sources in the press may be true but then again.

    Anyhow I have no real interest in conspiracies theories – not because I think they are all junk but because it disturbs my peace knowing that in the absence of a miracle it will never been known for sure in this life and I am in the home straight.

    As an aside there was a terrible blaze in tower block in England a few years ago and inquiry into it is still proceeding but by one of those coincidences that sometimes happen in life I was visiting a friend whose son happened to be in at the time and we both watched the news broadcast showing the spread of the fire that was to take many lives. Within five minutes between us we were able to say what had caused the fire to spread so rapidly because I had been involved in flame testing of plastics and fire retardant additives according to national standards and he was in charge of engineers who routinely saw and reported defects in inter-floor stoppers that his men encountered when working on such towers. Can the dragging out of such costly investigations be called a conspiracy?

    Two final comments on the WTC. It would be of no surprise me in the least that Israel and its lapdogs in the US knew about the plan to hit the WTC and did nothing to stop it or even worse covertly helped it by means that could be plausibly denied because it was strategically in their interest to do so. A similar argument can be made for Oswald and the assassination. To some degree he may have been a patsy by elements who hated JFK (they still exist today in their dotage).

    The second point relates to the spectacular demolition of both towers which I gather some experts deny could have happened based on the specification and construction of the towers. In the late 1960’s tower blocks and large communal building were being erected in the UK based on kit type prefabricated concrete walls. A gas appliance exploded which led to a domino effect in which the corner of a tower block entirely collapsed at Ronan Point .

    In the early 1980’s Adam Curtis made a documentary on how such prefabricated buildings were a ticking time bomb because in order to meet targets the workers who made the walls skipped on quality control so that the specified number of pegs which were meant to ensure the structural integrity of each interlinking wall and therefore the whole building were often just chopped off if they were out of specification.

    This may have zero to do with the WTC but I wonder if this has been discounted (how could it be after the event unless workers come forward?).

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  357. bjondo says:

    The wonder of President Trump he
    can’t stop himself from exposing the
    fetid, rotted, ugly, evil, DeepShitState.

    And the ShitState can’t stop exposing itself.
    Any excuse and the lips flap uncontrollably.

    Trump has won no matter the four year coup.

    Yesterday’s DC event seems to have had Soros infiltrators.

    Some “well trained”, Capitol Hill officer shot blindly
    through a door killing a woman, AF vet, Trump supporter.

    Put a sack over his head let him run across I-95 at five.
    Joined by all Dems, all Repubs, all JSM, all tech CEOs.

    What a clean world it would be.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @anon
  358. Talha says:

    There are multiple ways to get to the same goal; there is the Brave New World way and the 1984 way:

    Peace.

  359. @Talha

    Jazakumullah khayr for that, akhi.

    (wiping tears)

    Indeed, ours is a time of formidable challenge. One doesn’t feel comfortable even leaving the house, however necessary it may be. It’s not just covid, it’s the increasing erosion of manners, trust, and common decency — characteristics that surface arbitrarily, usually when there’s material advantage to be gained. It’s easy to understand how many people become misanthropic.

    There’s a common thread which runs throughout contemporary societies: the perception of success in strictly material terms. Certainly, we can’t deny a fair measure of worldly contentment both to ourselves and others; that’s an imperative embedded in our faith. Yet in our time, that perception has overwhelmed the majority of people. When we examine most conflict in our world, we’ll inevitably find this perception laying somewhere at the root of it.

    This, to me, is one of the most important practical values of faith in the Hereafter (though not the reason for it). Lacking such faith, I’m not certain I’d see much to prevent me from adopting the same perspective. Care for my fellow man? On what basis? How can I be certain he really gives a damn about me, that he’ll reciprocate in kind?

    It’s the Mark of Cain writ large upon most of humankind: Go and trust no man. That’s what we find just about everywhere these days. Depressing? Possibly, but all the more reason to keep faith, without which we’d have no reason to go on at all.

    I wonder; do you think any Muslim army of the day is at that spiritual level or is it more likely they would have split with the money without a second thought…and possibly even plundered the populace? These are things we have to be honest about.

    Of course, and we are our own worst enemies, no question.

    My point in this is that, how can we seriously not see that Allah swt has allowed a small nation founded by a group of mostly atheist ethno-nationalists to completely outmanuever the Ummah as a humiliation for how far we have strayed from the examples of those men.

    Indeed, how can we not see this? We placed our trust in individuals who summarily abused it. It would, therefore, appear to be an exercise in futility to place any trust in the instruments of accountability they have established for the purpose of redressing grievance.

    Yet what can be done? How do we summon the Muslim ummah en masse to militarily put an end to Zionist tyranny once and for all? This seems, for myriad reasons, to constitute a burden too great to bear.

    Perhaps it is simply a matter of prayer and keeping to oneself in these times; stronger reliance upon our Lord, without whom we’d be devoid of blessing; preparation for martyrdom without fighting. I certainly wouldn’t begrudge anyone this path, and find it most admirable.

    Yet here, in this medium of smokeless fire, there lies opportunity to appeal to reason, to bring to light flagrant injustice, to demonstrate the indefensible nature of the status quo. It isn’t that we’re counting on members of the UN to do the right thing; it’s enough to remind folks of what the right thing is. It may not be so much, but it is within reach, and just as most Americans gradually came to reject the official version of 9/11 after accepting it at face value, so too will they eventually know the truth of Palestine. From there, it is only a matter of time until they affect change for the better, bi idhnillah.

    Islam rewards speaking truth to power. It doesn’t have to be expressly religious truth, the truth of their injustice will suffice. Here is the common ground with our non-Muslim audience and correspondents: speaking truth to power. Even where they don’t care for Islam, they support Palestinians, perceiving the conflict as a microcosm by which the moral well-being of America may be gauged. As Palestine goes, so too does the nation.

    The prayer of the oppressed is always answered.

    Always.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  360. bjondo says:

    The road to the White House
    goes over small Joe and Zero.

    Trump strode the road the conqueror.

    Dems actions are like scared chickens
    ready to be cooked or lose. And they are.

    Shame about Pence. Can’t just dump him.
    Let him shovel shit for next four years.

    McConnell not even a memory.

    Republicans, the sorriest excuse for shit.

    Trump will out.

    5 dancing shlomos

  361. @AnonStarter

    You should not feel so hopeless about faithless people with no tincture of religion related to Allah or at all. Consider Maslow’s hierarchy of needs as built in to the human psyche and evidenced even at the most primitive level by the tribal big man who takes pleasure and pride in being able to slaughter 100 pigs and provide a joyful feast for all.

    And considering the outbreaks of admirable teaching and behaviour in Confucian and Buddhist societies I wonder if your focus on Muslim belief isn’t handicapping your thinking. Consider that, if you teach your religion to your children to the point of effective doctrination and, as often happens, they lose their faith in favour of sceptical rationalism you will have set them back for years, if not for life, in the struggle to find a merely humanistic basis for decency and virtue.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  362. @Talha

    I had the following ready to go but had to save it when I reached my three comment limit. Apologies if I haven’t found the right Comment to reply to now.

    And what will you tell them when they go to universities with very smart students from many backgrounds  and they tell you “Dad, I can’t believe in this merciful Allah that hasn’t sent credible messengers to most of the world’s people,ot unfolded any omnipotent Abrahamic Creator  deity that started out  in his judgemental punitive phase by letting that genocidal psychopath  Moses loose and never got round to loving people at all even if he only encourage old women to be burned as witches”. ?

    • Replies: @Talha
  363. @Colin Wright

    [I have to let you know that I may not be able to continue discussion over this topic very frequently in the near future, as it consumes more time than I might be able to make available. We’ll have to wait and see.]

    Just plant a laundry service truck or something and a paper trail — say it was done like in 1993 or whenever it was.

    Following the ’93 bombing, a security company called Stratesec acquired an $8.3 million contract to help provide security at the World Trade Center. Furthermore,

    Marvin P. Bush, the youngest brother of future President George W. Bush, is a director at Stratesec from 1993 to June 2000, when most of its work on these big projects is done. Wirt D. Walker III, a distant relative of George W. Bush, is chairman of the board at Stratesec from 1992, and its CEO from 1999 until January 2002. Another of Stratesec’s directors, from 1991 to 2001, is Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah, who is a member of the Kuwaiti royal family. Al Sabah is also chairman of an investment company called the Kuwait-American Corporation (KuwAm), which, between 1993 and 1999, holds a large, often controlling share of Stratesec. In 1996, it owns 90 percent of the company; by 1999 it owns 47 percent.

    Now how does this make such a method less plausible?

    For starters, were it certain that a truck bomb was the cause, a direct line between Stratasec’s “failure” and the bombers could have been easily drawn. Much too close for comfort. This would also explain why the hijacking was necessary: to produce the indelible impression of a cause for collapse, however much the science would later fail to corroborate it.

    [MORE]

    How does it look if none of the planes show up and the buildings blow?

    It’s easy to hypothesize that the plane collision was necessary for that demolition. It’s quite possible that, given the scenario you describe, the mere attempt, without success and demolition, might have sufficed to affect the long-term agenda. Or the successful Pentagon attack.

    Alternatively, the entire plot might have been scrapped for a different one at some future date — a thermonuclear device detonated from the depths of Lake Superior. Or somewhere in the American heartland, in Podunk, Kansas. Sure, such a failure would have been a major setback, but let’s look at it this way …

    It took one hundred years for Israel to go from a militant immigrant minority amid a sea of Arabs to where it is today. Playing the long game certainly isn’t alien to them.

    If 9/11 was an ‘inside job,’ so to speak, al Qaeda hijacking airliners is the most problematical cover I could think of. A million things could go wrong. It would be a Rube Goldberg of a plot.

    And yet, if it wasn’t such a broad conspiracy, we still have to accept the fact that very little went wrong with the hijackings — outside of Shanksville, PA.

    Here’s something else …

    It’s quite reasonable to suggest that the second collision was intended to have been broadcast on live television throughout the nation. The psychological effect of such an event is incalculable, far transcending the theatrical. Producing such an effect would have been entirely impossible had the plot not proceeded as it did (e.g. single truck bomb, single plane crashing into one tower, etc.).

    I also don’t think it’s unreasonable to infer that this impression had a great deal of influence upon the American public’s willingness to invade and occupy Iran and Afghanistan. I’m not saying this couldn’t have been affected without that live broadcast, but it was made exponentially easier as such.

    Just out of curiosity, are you familiar with this NYT piece?

    Inside The Bunker
    by William Safire

    A threatening message received by the Secret Service was relayed to the agents with the president that ”Air Force One is next.” According to the high official, American code words were used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible. …

    It is described clearly as a threat, not a friendly warning — but if so, why would the terrorists send the message? More to the point, how did they get the code-word information and transponder know-how that established their mala fides?

    That knowledge of code words and presidential whereabouts and possession of secret procedures indicates that the terrorists may have a mole in the White House — that, or informants in the Secret Service, F.B.I., F.A.A. or C.I.A. If so, the first thing our war on terror needs is an Angleton-type counterspy.

  364. @Wizard of Oz

    You should not feel so hopeless about faithless people with no tincture of religion related to Allah or at all.

    I’m not. My commentary isn’t directed at faithless people. It’s merely a description of the landscape, which includes Muslims as well.

    Consider that, if you teach your religion to your children to the point of effective doctrination and, as often happens, they lose their faith in favour of sceptical rationalism you will have set them back for years, if not for life, in the struggle to find a merely humanistic basis for decency and virtue.

    Thank you for the proselytizing. I’m sure you mean well.

    There’s much to like about both the Buddha and Confucius. One needn’t abandon Islam to appreciate them.

  365. Talha says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    We’ve had talks about this already, WoO, but I’d tell them to recognize straw man arguments. 😉

    Peace.

  366. @Wizard of Oz

    This is a sad and old story as Abu Aram’s house had already been destroyed before the incident of his neighbors, which is what this footage is about. Both of these houses were off the grid and built without permits. These people were squatters. Not as far out on the cruelty range as portrayed, as we have seen many squatters loose their homes. These houses were built in army fire zones. It would be like building a house on the runway at JFK and wondering why it was torn down. This area is off limits for housing, and the people building the houses new it. That does not diminish the loss or suffering of these people who are no doubt poor.
    Why doesn’t the PA who as billions and billions of dollars (and whose leaders live in mansions without working) step into help these families build proper houses. Believe me the money is available to solve these problems. I guess it is easier when you only want to show the Jews are the evil empire that goes out of its way to destroy poor peoples homes.
    The shooting. Who knows what really happened. If the Israeli soldier was wrong and it was not a correct shooting I hope he is punished by the laws of the country. I wish the wealthy PA would help its citizens like Israel helps theirs.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anon
    , @Art
    , @Haskap
  367. @Wizard of Oz

    Just to to recap a few of the large factors of 9/11 without going into demo sizes and building friseurs. For me it is not even worth discussing.

    1. The first attack on the WTT was in 1993, by an Arab Sheikh who publicly stated they wanted to bring the towers town. It failed.

    The attack was planned by a group of terrorists including Ramzi Yousef, Mahmud Abouhalima, Mohammad Salameh, Nidal A. Ayyad, Abdul Rahman Yasin, and Ahmed Ajaj. They received financing from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Yousef’s uncle.[6] In March 1994, four men were convicted of carrying out the bombing: Abouhalima, Ajaj, Ayyad, and Salameh. The charges included conspiracy, explosive destruction of property, and interstate transportation of explosives. In November 1997, two more were convicted: Ramzi Yousef, the organizer behind the bombings, and Eyad Ismoil, who drove the truck carrying the bomb.

    These guys were known Al Qaeda operatives, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sounds familiar in the the 2nd 9/11. Coincidence ?

    2. Al Qaeda publicly made tapes declaring war and recognizing terrorism as a way to destroy the west.

    3. There were Arabs taking flying lessons in Florida on how to take off and land an airplane. There is documentation for this. Unless you think this is false flag.

    4. Motive: The Muslims terrorist have already stated their motives similar to other attacks.

    5. False Flag it is really the Mossad: What would their motive be?

    6. Oh I get it to make the Muslims look bad so that US will come and attack them in the ME to punish them. That makes so much sense doesn’t it? LOL

    7. What would the Muslims insistence on a false flag blaming the Mossad be? Can you guess?
    Do I need to tell you like children? I guess the Muslims want the Jews to look like the bad guys in the black hat so that they can be the good guys in the white hat. I dunno this seems really stupid to me.

    8. There were Arab hijackers with box knives as confirmed on the one aircraft that was takin over by the passengers and crashed. That plane was headed for the Pentagon. The passengers reported on the phone who had taken over the plane. Can you guess? Should I tell you. It was Arab Muslims. Maybe they were Mossad dressed up like Arab Muslims. But I never saw a Mossad operation involving suicide. Have you?

    It was Al Qaeda and Muslim terrorist that did 9/11 not the Jews. Use every common sense molecule in your brain. It is really not that hard.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  368. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…Obviously I am not defending the official version as such but don’t like to see irresponsible fanning of conspiracy theories…’

    In my opinion, the conspiracy theories are welcomed (and perhaps even permitted — compare and contrast to the reaction to claims of electoral fraud.)

    Transparently improbable ‘plot’ allegations help to obscure the damning certainty of the Israeli involvement that definitely occurred.

    This tends to be my attitude. I prefer to deal in certainties. We know Israel was aware of the attack ahead of time, and decided to let it go ahead, rather than telling us that — say — ‘you might want to put a few sky marshals on the following flights, because this is the plan…’

    Let’s deal in that. It’s almost beside the point as to whether the controlled demolition theories have any validity or not. It’s a mugs’ game. To advocate them helps to ensure Israel gets off scot-free. If that’s what you want — great. Keep plugging.

    If you’d rather start with what can be proven, and establish that, then see what else turns up…well, quit with ‘Building Seven,’ etc. Hey. Maybe someday we can establish that as well. Fine with me.

    But first things first.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  369. @Ron Unz

    OMG! Another lost composition with links which disappeared while I was checking a link URL.  Cutting the verbiage, I am invested in Unz Review credibility and try to help with sometimes nit-pickin contributions   Here goes on Hitler and Churchill which your impressive reading, not least of David Irving, have brought to the fore.

    Any one of the >120.000 published works on Hitler could add something critical to themes you have taken up.  So, I commend the last third of

    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/23-april-2020/12993936

    wher Cambridge Prof Brendan Simms speaks of the theme from his recent “Hitler: A Global Biography” that says Hitler only wanted land and resources from the USSR so Germany could (cf. what he said in 1919 or 20) match the US and British Empire.  Mind you, Richard Evans gives him a good bollocking in his Wikipedia bio. But not to be ignored.

    *** *** ***

    As to Churchill, I recently raised the important question as to whether his alcoholism/drunkenness was under control while he still mattered on  a day to day basis, up to some time in 1943.  I still have no specific answer to that but what I started getting from Theodore Dalrymple/Anthony Daniel’s article in TakiMag

    https://www.takimag.com/article/a-hunger-for-literature/print

    was the interesting discovery that alcohol just didn’t figure in anything I could find in or derived from comment on the best sources on Churchill’s health and capacity. Neither did ordinary depression (the “black dog”) in any serious way which naturally interested the retired psychiatrist, Daniels.

    A good review of the most comprehensive work on Churchill’s health 1886 to 1965 also makes no mention of alcohol(ism).
    That is

    https://www.chu.cam.ac.uk/news/2020/nov/23/review-winston-churchills-illnesses/

    I hope you find most of that helpful.

    *** *** ***

    Finally, as I have been pointing out to junior members of my extended family, what would have made scholarship look impressive 20 years ago, a Bibliography of 500 books and articles and 2000 footnotes, is not going to cut it in the age of AI. How about 500 million documents in 50 languages searched?

    I want to suggest that your immense software expertise hasn’t yet shown much sign of AI’s deeper possible contributions. You refer to perhaps a dozen works you have relied on for your opinion of, for example, the prevalent Holocaust narrative but, as David Iirving and the multimillion dollar research effort in support of Lipstadt both showed, there is always the chance that very thorough and intelligent search will turn up something critical. Is it not time perhaps for UR to make a great leap in authority by your employing AI searches to deal with what may only seem to be 2 or 3 per cent paps in the complete story?

    My friend Jeremy Howard, who lives in Oakland, has developed courses in AI which qualify people for Silicon Valley jobs which require it in much less time than the typical graduate degree. Given constraints on your available time you might find him helpful.

  370. @AnonStarter

    ‘…It took one hundred years for Israel to go from a militant immigrant minority amid a sea of Arabs to where it is today. Playing the long game certainly isn’t alien to them…’

    I think that’s falling victim to the ‘giant plot’ theory of world history.

    If only. Then, like cows in a well-run dairy, we could be sure of regular feed, a clean pen, a nice meadow to graze in, etc.

    The reality is actually much more frightening. We’re careering down a mountain road, and a bunch of gibbering baboons are wrestling over the steering wheel. These assholes don’t know what we’re doing, and no, we can’t count on being properly cared for and milked.

    ‘It is described clearly as a threat, not a friendly warning — but if so, why would the terrorists send the message? ‘

    Assuming Israeli involvement — which the evidence indicates there was — then it is they who would have that information, and their motive would be to ensure we pushed the panic button, generally freaked out, did whatever was proposed — which is in fact what happened.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  371. @Fran Taubman

    Do you have a comprehension problem. Why would I disagree with nearly all of what you have written. I have no doubt that 9/11 was initiated by Al Qaeda and, as I have long ago pointed out, the big winner was Osama bin Laden who got America stuck in Afghanistan worse than the USSR had been, and almost as bad as Vietnam. But I am also open to Israel, at a high level but deniable basis, even going so far as to do aittle facilitation of 9/11. After all they would have been well aware of the PNAC report’s reference to a new Pearl Harbour.

  372. @Colin Wright

    I don’t take the “you” in your comment as intended to refer to me. On what I have read I am edging toward certainty that Israel had guilty knowledge.

    Your suggestion that they should have suggested sky marshalls is interesting. How could they have done it consistently with their desire that something would happen which would be like a Pearl Harbour implicating ME Muslims? I suppose they could have said “We’re worried about something big being about to blow in the next few weeks, probably involving hijackings. Our advice, on what we hear, would be that you announce marshalls will be on random flights from 1st Agust and that you actually put three armed marshlls on every major flight for the next three months out of airports from which NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, San Francisco and LA can be reached easily”. It would be done in a way to ensure it could be presented as involving many emails and texts and calls later but so as not to be acted on as the cost of precautions loomed large and attempts at refinement of information were obfuscated.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  373. @AnonStarter

    While Colin Wright gives a plausible explanation for what William Safire described my instinct is to be sceptical about his account. Perhaps a lily from an insider who wanted some credit with Safire and both of them gilded it.

    New little points keep on coming up. At least I hadn’t heard the specific suggestion that the plotters envisaged plenty of cameras pointed at the second Tower to be attacked. But someone might well have brought it up if some plotter had said “should we try to arrange simultaneous strikes on the two towers?”.

  374. @Fran Taubman

    How wealthy is the PA when Trump has cut its funding?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @AnonStarter
  375. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @bjondo

    Seems capitol hill officer didn’t shoot blindly.

    Aimed and deliberately killed the woman
    while other officers were near by unthreatened.

    Murder.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  376. @Wizard of Oz

    Not sure. You can google that. Guys like the head of Hamas Ishmael Hanyeia is worth 4.2 billion. Abbas and his sons a couple of billion. With regards to the living standards of Arab Muslims (the Palestinian’s) it is higher then most countries in the ME. I think not sure but the average Palestinian yearly salary is $26,000.00 you can look that up as well.

    With regards to property rights and squatters. Look at how countries like Qatar treat their immigrant workers from Bangladesh. Their passports are taken and they live in tin cans provided by the government. Death rate high on construction projects. So high that European and American architects refuse to work on buildings without specific waivers for treatment of their workers.

    There are more immigrant workers then citizens in these wealthy Arab countries run by princes who own everything. Try squatting on one of those princes property and see what happens.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  377. @Colin Wright

    I think that’s falling victim to the ‘giant plot’ theory of world history.

    For the sake of brevity, we’re only talking about a century and a score here. Zionists close to Herzl confirmed that the man’s diaries revealed him to be a “fool and a swindler,” implying that his public persona was merely a facade concealing his true intentions. This suggests that “spiriting the penniless population” out of Palestine meant forcible transfer all along.

    And this is corroborated by the correspondences and journal entries of numerous other Zionists. They conspired to take Palestine and that plan has, by and large, come to fruition. In comparison, 9/11 would be a drop in the proverbial bucket.

    Assuming Israeli involvement — which the evidence indicates there was — then it is they who would have that information, and their motive would be to ensure we pushed the panic button, generally freaked out, did whatever was proposed — which is in fact what happened.

    Thank you. Yes, I fully agree.

    And I also agree that excessive dickering over the minutia of the attack serves as a playground for perpetually distracting conjecture. Some speculation may have its benefits, though dealing in the certainty of Israeli involvement is far more important.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  378. Israeli high school students refuse to join the Israeli military citing the “continuing Nakba”

    A letter signed by 60 Israeli senior year high school students came out on Tuesday in which they refused their compulsory enlistment in the Israeli military. It is breathtaking, and deserves honorary framing. This is not the first of such letters historically, yet it is historical and novel in that for the first time, it addresses not merely the 1967 occupation, but also the 1948 Nakba, the “continuing Nakba”, and the “violent occupation” of “72 years”.

    An excerpt of the letter:

    It is important to emphasize that these injustices are not a one-time slippage or straying away from the path. These injustices are not a mistake or a symptom, they are the policy and the disease. The actions of the Israeli military in 2020 are nothing but a continuation and upholding of the legacy of massacre, expulsion of families, and land theft, the legacy which “enabled” the establishment of the State of Israel, as a proper democratic state, for Jews only.

    Bravo to these youngsters for their honesty and integrity. May many more follow their example.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Thanks: Art
  379. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Your suggestion that they should have suggested sky marshalls is interesting. How could they have done it consistently with their desire that something would happen which would be like a Pearl Harbour implicating ME Muslims? I suppose they could have said “We’re worried about something big being about to blow in the next few weeks, probably involving hijackings. Our advice, on what we hear, would be that you announce marshalls will be on random flights from 1st Agust and that you actually put three armed marshlls on every major flight for the next three months out of airports from which NYC, Washington DC, Chicago, San Francisco and LA can be reached easily”. It would be done in a way to ensure it could be presented as involving many emails and texts and calls later but so as not to be acted on as the cost of precautions loomed large and attempts at refinement of information were obfuscated.’

    The obvious problem with that is that then our response is ‘why are you telling us this? What is it that you know?’

    Worse still, then either al Qaeda’s plot is detected or at least al Qaeda is frightened off, or the attack happens anyway. Neither one is good: if there’s no attack, Israel hasn’t stampeded the US into war with the Muslim world. If there is an attack, then the US wants to know precisely what Israel knew, and if they had precise information, why wasn’t it forwarded?

    That latter was probably one theme of the interrogations that were held during those eleven weeks we were holding Israel’s operatives.

    In any case, since Israel clearly was aware of al Qaeda’s plans and wanted them to come to fruition, saying a word of any kind to the US wouldn’t have been a very good idea.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  380. @anon

    ‘…Aimed and deliberately killed the woman
    while other officers were near by unthreatened.

    Murder.’

    That’s the irony. Last year saw a string of widely publicized killings or just deaths of blacks — all of which turned out to be more or less justifiable and none of which clearly demonstrated criminal liability. It really was amazing that not one was indefensible. I mean, it’s a big country; you would think that sometime, somewhere…

    But no. All quite understandable. Try to grab the gun I’m pointing at you — and you could get shot. Etc.

    Yet the media threw one more or less continuous shit-fit — incited repeated outbreaks of looting, attacks on innocent bystanders, etc.

    Then one white is killed — quite clearly unjustifiably. One does not summarily execute trespassers.

    And suddenly it’s all the victim’s fault. She was Q-Anon — as if now we can shoot people for their beliefs. Can the protestors themselves be charged with the murder? It was an ‘insurrection.’ Etc.

    Whatever happened to ‘mostly peaceful protest?’

    People may not like the conclusions to be drawn from all this. Nevertheless, they’re there to be drawn.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  381. @AnonStarter

    ‘…And I also agree that excessive dickering over the minutia of the attack serves as a playground for perpetually distracting conjecture. Some speculation may have its benefits, though dealing in the certainty of Israeli involvement is far more important.’

    Indeed. It’s kind of like if I tell my neighbor his wife has slept with half the men in her church plus both the mechanics at the garage down on the corner.

    Theoretically, it could be so. Nevertheless, he’ll be more convinced if I can show him some film clips of something more modest but definite. ‘Remember when your wife supposedly flew back east to visit Aunt Gertie? Well, here’s a signed copy of her credit card charge for a room in Morro Bay for that weekend. Supposedly, she checked in with you. Here’s footage of her and ‘you’ entering the motel. That’s not you, is it?’

    The former may well fail. He thinks he knows his wife, and she didn’t do any such thing. That’s us and Israel.

    Now, the latter, he’ll have a hard time arguing away. Maybe he’ll insist his wife try to explain this.

    One can believe whatever one wishes. If one wants to convince people, it’s best to stick to what can be proven. Sometimes, of course, one doesn’t have that luxury. One has some suspicions, but they’re not provable.

    Here, some of the suspicions are provable. It’s a gift. Use it. Rely on it. Don’t throw in any dubious assertions that your interlocutor can seize on to avoid confronting what can’t be explained away.

  382. Art says:

    Will Trump seek sanctuary in Israel — will Netanyahu grant it?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  383. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    blah, blah, blah…like the head of Hamas…blah, blah, blah…countries like Qatar…blah, blah, blah…European and American…blah, blah, blah…

  384. bjondo says:

    Article 25. Impeachment. Marines drag Trump out.

    Swamp Dems and swamp Repubs scared like two rabbits facing a wolf.

    Must be a reason.

    Not about antifa democrats pissing on Pelosi’s rug then blaming Trump supporters.

    Still massive election fraud, theft, lying, corruption, criminal collusion,
    criminal conspiracies..

    Trump 2nd term Jan 20.

    5 dancing shlomos

  385. @Wizard of Oz

    How wealthy is the PA when Trump has cut its funding?

    The PA is a red herring. One of Israel’s typical shell games is to claim that it has to expropriate land for “security purposes,” often building settlements upon it in defiance of international law. You can read about it here:

    How the Israeli Army Takes Palestinian Land and Hands It to Settlers

    And just to set the record straight, the average Palestinian salary cannot possibly be $26,000/year. Using the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics’ data for 2015-16, as well as contemporaneous exchange rates, we get a maximum average annual salary of ~ $8,400 in the West Bank and ~ $5,300 in Gaza, which gives us an average of ~$6,900 for Occupied Palestine.

    There’s no reason to think that average more than tripled in the space of five years.

  386. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘…That still leaves it as unlikely that any plotters would have counted on the suicidal jihadist pilots hitting the towers at exactly the right levels to provide over for the demolitions that had been arranged.’

    It’s all just improbably over-complex and loaded with things that could go wrong. Hijacking planes is not a sure-fire step: it’s not like mailing a letter.

    Given arranged demolitions, a far more reliable, sure-fire cover could have been arranged. I can’t see anybody being so fantastically stupid as to go for a plan involving hijacking four planes and having them all arrive at their targets and fly into them when and as specified.

    Just to pick one flaw, what if one of the hijackers flinches and swerves aside at the last minute?

    So the plane visibly misses the building — and it blows up anyway. How’s that going to look?

    And all this is on behalf of Israel. Does she have a death wish? A plan like this would have so much that could go wrong, and so many ways the beans could get spilled…no.

    Nobody would be this foolish. Since there were planes, it follows that that really was the story. Al Qaeda blew up the Twin Towers with hijacked airliners.

    Now, back to Israel’s knowledge that this was going to happen…that’s not merely plausible, but known.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  387. City Avg. gross salary (USD) Salary entries
    Ramallah ILS 115,465 US$ 32,685 33
    Gaza City ILS 29,891 US$ 8,430 11
    Nablus ILS 114,333 US$ 31,506 03

    https://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/palestine

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  388. @Colin Wright

    So the plane visibly misses the building — and it blows up anyway. How’s that going to look?

    The plane or the building? Why would the plane blow if it missed? And the buildings came down quite some time after the planes’ impact. Why is it so difficult to believe that, if the planes had missed, they could have just turned around for a second, and even third attempt?

    I’m not following the reasoning here. It seems to me you’re just appealing to a different variety of conjecture, inferring that a complexity which inheres to certain plans necessarily obviates their execution. Sorry, Colin, we like you, but that’s also not sufficient cause to dismiss a theory, not when it was clear that whoever planned the attacks had the motive and means to clean up the forensic evidence before a proper investigation could be made. That’s an obvious indication that we’re dealing with a lot of power here, something far beyond al Qaeda’s reach.

    Some more incentive to create maximum panic and confusion that day:

    https://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html

    Hundreds of millions of precious metals gone missing. In WTC7, The SEC had thousands of documents necessary to proceed with pending cases, most of which had to be dismissed as a result of the attacks.

    Perhaps the SEC documents were mere coincidence, but the metals?

    C’mon, Colin … What are the odds?

  389. How do Arabs treat guest workers in the ME. There are more migrant workers in Bahrain then there are citizens, who are fabulously wealthy. You can hire a guest worker, hold there visa. They can clean your house, take out your garbage and build your infrastructure for a trifle of money. These workers are literally slaves to the people of Bahrain. They can never be citizens ever. You think any of these migrants could build a house. They live in trailers.. Learn about the Kafala system before you start complaining about the human rights of Palestinians. Muslim countries should clean up their own human rights abuses which are shocking.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-kafala-system
    https://www.adhrb.org/2019/05/uae-migrant-and-domestic-workers-abuse/

    The treatment of domestic and migrant workers in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is deeply troubling as there appears to be an intrinsic crossover between the UAE’s desired economic superiority and the exploitation of hundreds of thousands of workers.

    The kafala system, a type of visa sponsorship system, is used in the UAE and contributes to the abuse against migrant workers. The kafala system effectively ties the migrants to their employer, as their visa status is dependent on job performance. The contractual agreements are extremely vague and offer little protections for the migrant workers, while simultaneously reducing their job security. Those who leave their employers without their consent before the end of a contact can face punishment such as fines, prison, and even deportation. This makes it incredibly difficult for workers to get out of abusive situations, including long work hours, unpaid salaries, violence, or sexual abuse.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  390. @Art

    ‘Will Trump seek sanctuary in Israel — will Netanyahu grant it?’

    That’s one of those things that would probably cause a rupture in the space-time continuum and the end of reality as we know it.

    But I’m up for it.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  391. @AnonStarter

    …C’mon, Colin … What are the odds?’

    I could go down this rabbit hole with you — but I shan’t.

    There is my firm conviction that with one key exception, 9/11 was more or less as advertised — but perhaps more important is that it just doesn’t matter that much.

    On the one hand, Israel was definitely implicated. On the other hand, murderous Islamic extremism definitely exists. Deciding that this or that about 9/11 is or isn’t true won’t change either one of those central facts.

    So I’d rather devote my energy to taking care of Israel. Others seem to be doing all too much about murderous Islamic extremism. Maybe I’ll get around to sticking my oar in there as well, though.

    …once Palestine is free.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AnonStarter
  392. @Fran Taubman

    https://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/aboutsite

    Average Salary Survey was launched online on February 2011. From the beginning we collect salary profiles from our visitors. When you complete your own salary profile, and allow to be seen on our website, you are able to estimate and compare your salary with others.

    You’ll note that the very title of the website includes the term “survey.” The data at that site is given voluntarily, its source not verifiable, and as such, it is not indicative of the actual average salary in the Occupied Territories.

    Nice try, but not really.

  393. Of the UAE’s 9.4 million inhabitants, an estimated 70% are low-paid migrant laborers.

    The United Arab Emirates has the second highest percentage of foreign workers (89%) among all of the six Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries, with neighboring Qatar coming in first place with over 90% of its workforce made up of foreign nationals. Once individuals acquire a work contract and are permitted to enter and work in the UAE they are contractually tied to sponsors. The kafala system requires workers to hand over their passports to their employers, effectively handing over exclusive autonomy of their livelihood. Things like salary, living conditions, nutrition, ability to work elsewhere, and the possibility to return back to their home country are determined by their employer. This control  permeates into every aspect of migrant worker’s lives, from finances and nutrition to living conditions and their overall state of mind and well-being. This form of modern day slavery intentionally lacks sufficient government oversight and regulation, as doing so would inhibit the UAE’s future economic development plans.
    Domestic workers, who are often migrant workers, are at increased risk of mistreatment and abuse. The hiring of domestic staff has become a symbol among Emirati’s of the wealth and prosperity enjoyed by many at the expense of migrant workers and their cheap labor. The industry has manifested itself into the commodification of the transnational maid trade which provides a cheap and flexible labor force willing to endure low wages. They are no longer seen to be individuals, but objects to be bought and sold in the global marketplace.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @anon
    , @Al Liguori
  394. @Colin Wright

    I could go down this rabbit hole with you — but I shan’t.

    That’s fine, though you admittedly pique my curiosity. Perhaps I should just let you have the last word on this. I think we can agree to disagree without any hard feelings.

    Not all of us, by the way, deny that murderous Arab extremists played a role in the attacks. I’ve repeatedly called attention to the intelligence collusion between Israel and Saudi Arabia years before 9/11.

    In the meantime, please feel free to say (or not say) what you’d like.

  395. @Fran Taubman

    This form of modern day slavery intentionally lacks sufficient government oversight and regulation, as doing so would inhibit the UAE’s future economic development plans.Domestic workers, who are often migrant workers, are at increased risk of mistreatment and abuse. The hiring of domestic staff has become a symbol among Emirati’s of the wealth and prosperity enjoyed by many at the expense of migrant workers and their cheap labor.

    Three cheers for normalization! Hip-hip-HooRAY!

    • Replies: @Talha
  396. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    You don’t say…

    As with the “sponsorship” or kifala system of many other Middle Eastern countries, Israeli policies make foreign workers extremely vulnerable to exploitation. In 2006, Israel’s Supreme Court found that the “binding” policy “has created quasi, modern-version slavery” where “the foreign worker had become a serf of this employer,” and gave the government six months to cancel it.

    Four years on, it hasn’t.

    https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/10/08/israel-should-respect-rights-migrant-workers

    Glass houses…🤨…or birds of a feather…you decide what’s more apt.

    Wa salaam.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  397. @Colin Wright

    …once Palestine is free.

    One last word …

    I hold that the subject of 9/11 is highly relevant both to the subversion of American government, which causes untold misery in Palestine, and the popular perception of Islam, which also affects America’s callous stance toward Palestinians.

    I understand your position, you’ve made that abundantly clear. I think you know it’s not my habit to dive headlong into that rabbit hole either, though I do think that the difference between a conspiracy wherein Muslim extremists are the central actors and one in which they’re just bit players makes all the difference, and I had and still have every reason to perceive American government as thoroughly compromised and often invidious in intent long before 9/11. The idea that America and Israel played a key role was my gut reaction from day one.

    This doesn’t diminish what those Arabs did. They’re caught in a Sisyphean loop, flying into those buildings, forever haunted by the blood-curdling screams and fallow faces of their victims for all eternity — that’s their reward in Islam, regardless of the codswallop some of these imbeciles ingest in their Arabian Nights’ fantasies. And I could give a rat’s ass if they’re “Muslim” or not.

    Furthermore, I also hold that we should be able to freely discuss matters as adults, respectfully disagreeing as we see fit without any cause for rancor, enmity or spite, fully aware of those whose sole aim is to affect those ends, yet thumbing our nose at such attempts, confidently content in our convictions.

    Two cents in the fountain. Let ’em sink.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  398. Do a search for:
    Italy Obama investigation
    via DuckDuckGo.com and follow what shows up.

    The same search on Google gets nothing of interest.

    I have no idea if this is legitimate or not, but it is interesting.

  399. bjondo says:

    Bad, bad Leroy Brown step aside
    The baddest man in the whole damn town
    Badder than old Andrew Jackson
    Scarier than Washington, Jefferson

    is

    President Donald Trump.

    One against the entire zionized West.
    So scared they collectively crapped their Depends
    and became cartoon Hitler.

    We see them. We know them. We smell them.

    EXTRA:

    The only Arabs flying on 9-11 in USA were fleeing
    to save their skins from angry, righteous dupes.

    How did Arabs get this plane to melt? Genie?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michael+hezarkhani+video+of+plane+melting+into+wtc2&docid=608047729060417306&mid=75FC8C623A6E5B787A7875FC8C623A6E5B787A78&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    5 dancing shlomos

  400. @Colin Wright

    “A word of any kind” Hmm I suspect that you are right in suggesting that they would have avoided the kind of specificity which could have helped actually prevent the attacks taking place but given vague warnings which would be consistent with their being no better informed than rightly alert American inteigence and might also have distracted the Americans from fo using on the reality. The same impression of a pretty loose, not tightly co-ordinated intelligence operation in the US, principally aimed at Palestinians and finance sources for terrorists could have helped cover for any impression that the dancing Israelis gave that they might have picked up something praise

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  401. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    Chilling out on a beach with Epstein…

  402. @Talha

    Glass houses…🤨…or birds of a feather…you decide what’s more apt.

    How about both?

    The first for the Zionists and their patsies and the second for the hypocrites and theirs.

    Which is more important? Well, neither one is likely to heed any kind of admonition, that’s been established. And we don’t hear much about the ill-working of either unless we enter the proper keywords in a search engine.

    Good question. Kind of like the choice between cyanide and strychnine.

    was-salaam.

  403. @AnonStarter

    The degree of Americans’ ability to use government to their advantage is inversely proportional to the size of the domain in which they do so. Case in point:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/after-permit-approved-whites-only-church-small-minnesota-town-insists-n1251838

    And D.C.? No elaboration needed. Just check the front page.

  404. bjondo says:

    Interesting from Whitney Webb starts about 10 min in. Time near 1 1/2 hrs.
    The host is questionable at times. So I say.

    5 dancing shlomos

  405. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Of the UAE’s 9.4 million inhabitants, an estimated 70% are low-paid migrant laborers.

    What does this article have to do with foreign cancerous kike parasites infesting the Levant and harming its inhabitants, jew cunt?

  406. @Fran Taubman

    ‘How do Arabs treat guest workers in the ME…

    This is why it’s cool if I steal my neighbor’s lawnmower. Because someone else, some place else, stole a car.

    …and what’s a lawnmower compared to a car?

    I’m emptying out your checking account right now, Fran. Nothing wrong with that: look at how much more Bernie Madoff stole.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  407. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘“A word of any kind” Hmm I suspect that you are right in suggesting that they would have avoided the kind of specificity which could have helped actually prevent the attacks taking place but given vague warnings which would be consistent with their being no better informed than rightly alert American inteigence and might also have distracted the Americans from fo using on the reality. The same impression of a pretty loose, not tightly co-ordinated intelligence operation in the US, principally aimed at Palestinians and finance sources for terrorists could have helped cover for any impression that the dancing Israelis gave that they might have picked up something praise’

    Please. If I want to be sure that (a) someone steals your car, and (b) that you have no reason to think I knew anything about it, suggesting to you earlier that day that you might want to be sure to check the locks is not a winning plan.

    …what’s this all about, anyway? It’s a fact that Israel (a) must have known 9/11 was going to occur where it did, when it did, and how it did, and (b) didn’t tell us. Do you perceive something that would offset or contradict those items?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  408. @Talha

    What’s truly infuriating about the indentured servitude system Jews practice in Israel is that it contrasts so dramatically with the immigration policies they advocate for gentile countries.

    ‘Hypocrisy’ seems somehow inadequate.

  409. anon[129] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    How do Arabs treat guest workers in the ME.

    These workers are literally slaves to the people of Bahrain. They can never be citizens ever. You think any of these migrants could build a house. They live in trailers.. Learn about the Kafala system before you start complaining about the human rights of Palestinians.

    What does the treatment of “guest workers in the ME” by “Arabs” have to do with the treatment of Palestinians in their homeland by alien kike scum, jew cunt?

    The Palestinians are literally being denied their inalienable right to self-determination in their own fucking country, and are being treated worse than slaves by alien kike scum that shouldn’t be in Palestine in the first place.

    Try to get a fucking clue before spewing your mindless jew hasbara, you cretinous old jew cunt.

    • Replies: @Talha
  410. @Colin Wright

    That is so profound Colin, shit why didn’t I think of it. You go on and on and about lawnmowers and bicycles, no sorry cars and Bernie Madoff. Gosh. What is a girl to do. I feel so bad, a Jew like Bernie Madoff. So embarrassed. So I should never mention a shameful Arab situation because of Bernie?

    But get this Colin when they built the World Cup Stadium in Qatar designed by star architect Zaha Hadid, so many immigrants died, the Guggenheim Museum which was building a sister museum in Dubai, pulled out mid stream because no one in the US would work on it. Can you imagine? So Bernie Madoff. I dunno seems like your post like all your post is pretentious and stupid.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  411. anon[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Both of these houses were off the grid and built without permits. These people were squatters.

    Nah, all of these rabid alien jew rats infesting Palestine are there without permits. These alien jew vermin are squatters and a health hazard.

  412. anon[500] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Brace yourselves.

    Pakistan is next

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/islamabad-warily-weighs-establishing-ties-with-israel-11610061640?st=739br8z6opiplbx&reflink=article_copyURL_share

    Except that the article you linked to above literally begins with:

    Will Pakistan become the next Muslim-majority nation to recognize Israel? Likely no, but…

    Are you just old and senile, or were you in fact dropped on your stupid fucking jew head when you were a jew baby, you stupid fucking jew cunt?

  413. @Fran Taubman

    ‘That is so profound Colin, shit why didn’t I think of it. You go on and on and about lawnmowers and bicycles, no sorry cars and Bernie Madoff. Gosh. What is a girl to do. I feel so bad, a Jew like Bernie Madoff. So embarrassed. So I should never mention a shameful Arab situation because of Bernie?

    But get this Colin when they built the World Cup Stadium in Qatar designed by star architect Zaha Hadid, so many immigrants died, the Guggenheim Museum which was building a sister museum in Dubai, pulled out mid stream because no one in the US would work on it. Can you imagine? So Bernie Madoff. I dunno seems like your post like all your post is pretentious and stupid.’

    You go off on incoherent and ineffectually abusive rants like this sometimes. I think I’ve come up a translation for them.

    It’s your way of saying, ‘I hate to admit it, but I think you’re right.’

    Have I got it, Fran?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  414. @Colin Wright

    It’s your way of saying, ‘I hate to admit it, but I think you’re right.’

    No you do not have that right. I go off on stream of consciousness rants late at night. This thread in nothing but Gotcha on the Jews, showing Israelis with laundry irons in their bags at a hotel in Bahrain or whatever. Or articles of Palestinians being evicted from their homes. Playing peak aboo with Talha about how bad the Jews and Israelis are. So I have been going tit for tat, and you come up with such a meaningless comment. Like two wrongs do not make a right and oh by the way here is Bernie Madoff. WTF

    With regards to migrant workers. Israel has 300,000 and they are mostly domestic workers and Nannies. The bulk of construction work and work in general is done by Israelis. Israelis work and defend their country. The guest workers in these Arab countries are the bulk of the work force. The residents are all princes who do not work. Take this guy Sheikh Moahmmed Al Marktoum head of Dubai. 18 Billion with 6 wives 30 children. We could go tit for tat all day.

    The immigrant situation in Israel does not compare to the immigrant situation in Arab countries. Are you defending these Sheikdoms? It is not apples to apples.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sheikh-mohammed-al-maktoum-of-dubai-six-wives-30-children-and-a-14-year-reign-of-control-38x3zgb52

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  415. Ex-Speaker of the Israel Knesset gives up ‘Jewish nationality’ in protest over racist law

    Former Speaker of the Israeli Knesset, Avraham Burg, has made the request to have his designation as a Jew discarded in an extraordinary affidavit where he has suggested that belonging to the Jewish community in the Zionist state was equivalent to “belonging to the group of the masters”. …

    Expressing his opposition to the Nation State Bill, Burg said: “The meaning of that law is that a citizen of Israel who is not Jewish will suffer from having an inferior status, similar to what the Jews suffered for untold generations,” adding “what is abhorrent to us, we are now doing to our non-Jewish citizens.”

    In his declaration to the court, he writes that he does not “accept the distorted and discriminatory definition of the state as belonging to the Jewish nation” and that he is no longer willing for his “nationality” to be listed as “Jewish” in the Interior Ministry’s records, as reasons behind his symbolic act.

    Bravo to Mr. Burg for his honesty and integrity. May many more follow his example.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  416. bjondo says:

    Don’t know about anyone else,
    I’m ready to see frog marching
    and keelhauling to Guantanamo.

    Still more than a week left.
    Plenty of time to round ’em up.
    Plenty of laws that apply to scoundrels and traitors.

    Never quit till the fat lady croaks.

    5 dancing shlomos

  417. @Fran Taubman

    The Times, from where your information comes, is a mainstream publication with a far larger audience than Human Rights Watch, from where Talha’s information comes. Additionally, HRW is an organization which Pompeo et al tried to designate as “anti-Semitic” not too long ago; this was a transparent attempt to divest it of potential government assistance. In contrast, publications like The Times are confronted with no such threat.

    Designating comparisons between Israel and the UAE as “tit-for-tat” is a particularly lame attempt at diversion, since coverage of Arab malfeasance gets far more press in the west than does that of Israel, and isn’t likely to result in accusations of “anti-Arabism” that provide cover for legal punishment.

    This is the reason why informing a western audience of Israel’s transgression demands all the more effort here.

    • Disagree: Fran Taubman
  418. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    While Fran is busy with her usual (((whataboutism))), lets ask her “what about” Israel’s sex slaves.

  419. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    “What about” Israel’s sex slavers?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  420. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Both of these houses were off the grid and built without permits. These people were squatters.

    Oh my God — a Jew calling a Palestinian a squatter.

    You have no respect for words or honor or truth – period!

    One can NEVER call a Jew an intellectual. The Jew lives on lies.

  421. @AnonStarter

    ‘Designating comparisons between Israel and the UAE as “tit-for-tat” is a particularly lame attempt at diversion, since coverage of Arab malfeasance gets far more press in the west than does that of Israel, and isn’t likely to result in accusations of “anti-Arabism” that provide cover for legal punishment.’

    What’s more important to my mind is that we didn’t cause the UAE to come into being, and absent some truly genocidal measures on our part, they will continue to be inhabited by Muslim Arabs and have enormous oil reserves for the foreseeable future.

    Our responsibility for what transpires there is decidedly limited. On the other hand, Israel only exists because we agitated for its creation and continue to nurture, subsidize, and protect it. Its crimes are, indeed, our responsibility.

    If Talha’s son has taken up stealing cars that is indeed regrettable, and if I can think of something constructive to say, I’ll say it.

    But that’s as far as my responsibility goes. On the other hand, if my son starts stealing cars, it’s incumbent upon me to act.

    I’ve offered this metaphor before — but it remains central to all such arguments. What the UAE may or may not do may or may not be deplorable, and indeed, perhaps we should deplore it. However, the UAE or something like would be there almost no matter what we did.

    Israel is only there because we want it to be there. There’s a difference. The one ain’t our baby; the other one definitely is.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Talha
  422. @Fran Taubman

    ‘It’s your way of saying, ‘I hate to admit it, but I think you’re right.’

    No you do not have that right…’

    You do realize your response is nonsensical?

  423. @Al Liguori

    Yeah, but that’s the very game she wants you to play: tit-for-tat.

    When I cracked wise about how Israel’s “normalization” with such a country should be celebrated (as Fran herself does repeatedly), Talha provided a story concerning the very same kind of exploitation in Israel, making crystal clear that one might perceive the UAE and Israel as “birds of a feather” — not a “tit-for-tat” dispute at all.

    The UAE has the same kind of trafficking as you mention. In fact, it’s one of the reasons Israeli men are flocking there, “normalization” and all.

    But all of this is beside the point. The litmus test is Palestine, and we both know that, in the American media, the conflict is generally framed as one in which Jews are simply defending themselves against unwarranted “terror” — a boldfaced lie.

    Two sources which directly address the subject of imbalance in media coverage:

    https://ifamericansknew.org/media/
    http://416labs.com/blog/2018/12/19/50-years-of-occupation

    And this doesn’t even begin to examine the phenomenon of Zionist attacks upon American freedom of expression, whether realized by the now widespread anti-BDS laws or the social media blackout.

    Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 is the highest grossing documentary of all time, produced by the Weinstein brothers. The film examines the connections between the Bush family and the House of Saud, making not a single mention of the Jewish Urban Movers or the scores of Israelis living in close proximity to the hijackers in the run up to the attacks. Then you can compare the number of Holocaust™-related movies and t.v. specials to those about Palestine, or examine any given public school curriculum and see what it has to say about the topic.

    The imbalance in coverage is everywhere throughout American society, which is why the stock hasbara that one should not “single Israel out” is a steaming load. Israel singles itself out, demanding exclusive protection for itself and its partners in crime, the rest of us be damned.

    This is the argument you want to make. The best they can do is “disagree.”

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  424. Two Master Guitarists—
    Justin Johnson,
    Zakk Wylde,
    Enjoy…

  425. @AnonStarter

    ‘…adding “what is abhorrent to us, we are now doing to our non-Jewish citizens.”…’

    The irony here is that much of what Israel is about is just that; doing unto others what was done unto the Jews.

    …kinda unfair that Palestinians have to pay for the crimes of the Cossacks, but there it is.

  426. @Colin Wright

    No, I’m just speculating about the cunning that might have gone into preparations given the possibility, even likelihood, that suspicions of Mossad involvement might arise. Even to take your stolen car example you might reason 1. we are close enough for victim and police to look at us so…. 2. We’ll say “friends from 60th Street have been telling me about a gang of particularly clever car thieves systematicly going from district to district so I’m going to add some smart steering locks to my car that has to be parked in the street. You should look at it if you haven’t got a lock up”. Then, when a team of Mexicans swoops and takes your car and someone notices that you have an interest in Mexican companies won’t they be in a position to say, “well yes, we did hear rumours and we ried to make sure our neighbours were warned”.

  427. @AnonStarter

    I had an response all written and erased it accidentally. It has taken a long time to get back to writing. I hate when that happens.

    This is the reason why informing a western audience of Israel’s transgression demands all the more effort here.

    You have a right to inform about Israel’s transgressions, that is your prerogative. But you do not have the right to lie. You were lying abut the squatters loosing their houses. They were not legal houses that were being torn down. You often site propaganda sources like The Palestinian Chronicle which is a joke. Most Israeli papers site both sides of the argument.

    Your most egregious lie is about Israel and 9/11. Maybe not a lie but a complete misrepresentation of Israel and the Jews based on scant information. What country or religion would deliberately allow thousands of innocent civilians to be murdered when they had information that could have prevented it? Name me one country. Not Iran. Not any Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Russian whatever would deliberately cause the deaths of innocents.

    This type of murder is prima identified with Islamic Jihadist like ISIS and Al Qaeda. They themselves have condoned this type of murder publicly and thru writings about martyrdom and killing non Muslims to restore the Caliphate. No one else, whether it be Charlie Hebdo, or beheading a teacher in France. Murdering civilians is a blue print for Islamist Jihadist. Granted that these Jihadist lie outside the main teachings of the Prophet. Look how hard Iran worked to get rid of ISIS.

    So with that in mind to say that Israel wanted those people to die to make the Muslims look bad so the West would invade them is a lie. A lie. If anything Israel probably did have advance intel and passed it on the US intelligence agencies who mistakenly blew it off. The US intelligence community has had many failures. They say that they heard chatter but did not think it was real.

    Israel, the Jews, and Judaism like Islam and Christianity would never condone mass murder of civilians and the destruction of infrastructure and devastation to its most important ally. Many Jews died in that attack.

    You can say what you want but be truthful. You are clearly not after the truth but instead you and Talha are interested in maligning Jews to deflect and rationalize that we are all the same. That we all commit the same acts. That is a lie. The only people committing mass murder are the Islamic Jihadist. And do not fucking give me the Bolsheviks. I am talking about TODAY.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Al Liguori
  428. Talha says:
    @anon

    C’mon man, there’s just no reason to be using that kind of language just because you can. More productive ways to make a point.

    Peace.

  429. @Fran Taubman

    But you do not have the right to lie.

    Alright, you say I’m lying. Let’s have a look …

    Several posts above, you claimed the land on which Abu Aram’s family had lived upon for generations before Israel’s occupation was designated for military use. You then blithely passed by a link to a Ha’aretz article entitled “How the Israeli Army Takes Palestinian Land and Hands It to Settlers.” Therein, we read

    In accordance with the laws of belligerent occupation detailed in customary international law, an occupying power is prohibited from confiscating the private property of a local population in an area under its belligerent occupation. [But] the commander of the area has the authority to take possession of private land if there is a military need. … Exercising this authority does not invalidate landowners’ rights of possession, although they are temporarily prevented from holding and using the land. The word temporary is used, because the occupation is meant to be temporary, and because military needs may change.

    Surprise surprise. Some 40 percent of the area officially seized for military and security needs have been allocated over the years to settlements (a quarter of the total area is indeed used for military purposes and another quarter is occupied by the separation barrier).

    In other words, Israel acts under color of law to then abuse that same law, claiming as their permanent possession land that lawfully belongs to Palestinians.

    And that is no lie.

    The only people committing mass murder are the Islamic Jihadist.

    *Y A W N*

  430. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    However, the UAE or something like would be there almost no matter what we did.

    Israel is only there because we want it to be there. There’s a difference. The one ain’t our baby; the other one definitely is.

    Sound argument. However I would like to point out that we should stop selling arms to those kinds of countries. If you sell a guy a gun, knowing full well he is going to pull a drive by with it (in this case on some dude name “Yemen”), that is certainly on you.

    Peace.

  431. Wielgus says:
    @AnonStarter

    The British actress Vanessa Redgrave was vilified for making a film or documentary in the late 1970s called The Palestinian, which never achieved wide release anyway.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  432. @AnonStarter

    You were the one who said during Ottoman times if an illiterate peasant told three different people that he owned the land and those people validate that claim then in 1948 their claim should be valid under international law. No matter what Haaretz (it was quoting B’et Shalom ) said whether the land was for military use or whatever, the Aram family had no building permit. The land set aside for military use and given to settlers is happening after the failed Oslo accords when Israel was trading land for peace (1967) they have since given up on a Palestinian state after Gaza. All bets are off. Israel intends to claim as much as they can. Do you fully grasp the situation in Israel afterGaza became Jihad Land? Israel is a tiny country. They pulled out of Gaza with the best of hope. Now they will not become like Syria or other failed states.

    Israeli land theft.

    Y.A.W.N

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @AnonStarter
  433. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Ahhhh… the Jews and their Big Lies & False Flags. http://judaism.is/false-flags.html “I want to call your attention to the artist groups (GELATIN & E-TEAM) who were selected to be part of the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (LMCC) World Views / Studioscape programs that allowed them and other artists to work and live in the WTC in the four years leading up to 9/11 on different floors, including 91 and 92 of the North Tower. Additionally, they were given seven day a week construction access to the WTC that allowed them to freely move all sorts of materials in and out of the complex.”—including boxes of BB18 electrical bombfuse holders. 9/11 and the Israeli Bomb Expert Infiltrated Art Groups: GELATIN (demolition wiring team) and E-TEAM (sol-gel explosive team)
    https://steemit.com/conspiracy/@budz82/9-11-and-the-israeli-bomb-expert-infiltrated-art-groups-gelatin-demo-wiring-team-and-e-team-sol-gel-team

    The Dancing Israelis: FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/newly-released-fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/258581/

  434. @Fran Taubman

    You were the one who said during Ottoman times if an illiterate peasant told three different people that he owned the land and those people validate that claim then in 1948 their claim should be valid under international law.

    No, that’s not correct.

    I had cited B’tselem’s report, Under the Guise of Legality: Israel’s Declarations of State Land in the West Bank, published in February 2012. Here’s a brief description of their analysis:

    [MORE]

    Since the 1979 judgment of the High Court of Justice in the Elon Moreh case, which prohibited the requisition of private Palestinian land to build civilian settlements, the settlement enterprise has been based on the use of state land. However, the amount of land recorded in the land registry as government property prior to Israel’s occupation of the West Bank in 1967 was limited (527,000 dunams, 9 percent of the West Bank, excluding East Jerusalem), and was concentrated in the Jordan Valley. The Central Mountain Ridge region contained almost no state land.

    Following the court’s ruling in the Elon Moreh case, and in line with policies of building settlements throughout the West Bank, including on the Central Mountain Ridge, the State of Israel declared more than 900,000 dunams as state land. Over the years, B’Tselem and other human rights organizations criticized Israel’s declarations policy, both on procedural grounds – Palestinians were often denied the right to effectively object to the declaration – and on the substantive claim that the declarations were intended to promote an unlawful objective: the establishment of settlements, which, because it creates permanent change in occupied territory, is forbidden under international law.

    B’Tselem’s new report considers the subject from a novel perspective: it examines the declarations policy from the aspect of the local land laws, the most important being the Ottoman Land Code of 1858. The report provides a detailed analysis of the 1858 Code and the Ottoman, British Mandatory, and Jordanian land laws that amended and revised it. The report also discusses relevant court rulings from the Mandatory period. The analysis shows that Israel’s application of its declarations policy was unlawful, since it classified some land as government property even though, under the local Law, it was private Palestinian property.

    Most of the declarations were made on miri land, which is defined as all land that lies within a radius of 2.5 kilometers from the built-up area of the village, as it was in 1858, regardless of whether the land was under cultivation or not. Declarations were made also on metouae grazing land. Under the Guise of Legality shows that the declarations policy breaches the local land laws in three principal manners: …

    The matter of building permits is irrelevant, since Israel’s declarations policy violates both international law as well as local land law. Neither Abu Aram nor any other Palestinian whose family has lived on that land for generations needs a permit to build there.

    And, as Gershom Goremberg explains, the ’67 “land for peace” claim is a myth:

    No, Israel Didn’t Offer to Trade the West Bank for Peace in 1967

    But Israel certainly wasn’t ready to trade the West Bank for peace. Instead, it built settlements–first according to Allon’s plan, later according to Ariel Sharon’s greedier map–to preempt negotiations on borders. Dayan’s autonomy plan resurfaced in peace talks with Egypt, then in the Oslo Accords. And Shapira’s warning against creating a West Bank colony was ignored.

    As is the myth of Israel’s “generous offer” at the conclusion of Oslo.

    Always a pleasure to put paid to hasbara.

    Thanks.

  435. @Al Liguori

    Interesting link.

    Found the following via the Lawrence of Cyberia blog:

    https://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/04/yasir_arafats_g.html

    Norman Finkelstein:

    What were the offers being made on each side of the Camp David and in the Taba talks? And the standard interpretation, which comes — which is — you can call it the Dennis Ross interpretation, which, I think, unfortunately Dr. Ben-Ami echoes, is that Israel made huge concessions at Camp David and Taba; Palestinians refused to make any concessions, because of what Dr. Ben-Ami repeatedly calls Arafat’s unyielding positions; and that Arafat missed a huge opportunity. Now, it is correct to say that if you frame everything in terms of what Israel wanted, it made huge concessions. However, if you frame things in terms of what Israel was legally entitled to under international law, then Israel made precisely and exactly zero concessions. All the concessions were made by the Palestinians.

    Worth a read.

  436. @Wielgus

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/movies/oscars-1978-politics-vanessa-redgrave.html

    As Redgrave arrived at the ceremony, Jewish Defense League members torched her likeness and counterprotesters waved the Palestinian flag. Overseeing it all were police sharpshooters on the roof of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, where the ceremony was being held. …

    Redgrave’s speech started off innocuously enough, thanking academy colleagues and adding, “I think that Jane Fonda and I have done the best work of our lives, and I think this was in part due to our director, Fred Zinnemann.” But applause mixed with hooting when she said: “You should be very proud that in the last few weeks you have stood firm and you have refused to be intimidated by the threats of a small bunch of Zionist hoodlums whose behavior is an insult to the stature of Jews all over the world, and to their great and heroic record of struggle against fascism and oppression.”

    Redgrave maintained in her autobiography that “when I referred to the ‘Zionist hoodlums,’ I meant, of course, the Jewish Defense League.” (Redgrave declined to be interviewed for this article.)

    Not everyone in the theater interpreted the term so narrowly. As Zinnemann wrote in his 1992 autobiography, “In 30 seconds the temperature dropped to ice while she, smiling happily, descended the steps, gave me a big kiss and sat down.”

    Later in the show, the screenwriter Paddy Chayefsky, who had won an Oscar for “Network” the previous year, took the stage to present the screenplay awards. But first he said, “I would like to suggest to Miss Redgrave that her winning an Academy Award is not a pivotal moment in history, does not require a proclamation and a simple ‘Thank you’ would’ve sufficed.”

    Chayefsky, an ardent supporter of Israel, received an ovation. “Sometimes the Oscars turns into a political free-for-all,” Pete Hammond, an awards columnist and film critic for deadline.com, said in a phone interview. “And Chayefsky was not the kind of person who would shy away from giving his opinion.”

    To the best of my recollection, Network was a potentially insightful film but for the fact that they fantasized Arabs as the primary media owners in America.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  437. @AnonStarter

    ‘To the best of my recollection, Network was a potentially insightful film but for the fact that they fantasized Arabs as the primary media owners in America.’

    That sounds about right.

    Can you imagine the uproar if the film had suggested Jews were the primary owners?

    Sometimes I think we’re allowed to say anything we like — just so long as it’s not the truth.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  438. @AnonStarter

    ‘Alright, you say I’m lying. Let’s have a look …’

    What we need is a FranProgram. It would automatically scan her posts, detect the canned Zionist lie, and print out the rebuttal that is easy enough except for the 2500 keystrokes or so required.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  439. @Colin Wright

    If the traffic to this site is as great as Mr. Unz says it is, I sometimes take time to consider a potentially new audience to this sort of thing.

    Could be mistaken, but I often think it’s worth it.

  440. bjondo says:

    Crossroads, Joshua Phillips, Epoch Times:

    Analysis of Ashli Babbit Video Suggests Coordinated Actions–Interview With Masako Ganaha

    https://www.ntd.com/analysis-of-ashli-babbit-video-suggests-coordinated-actions-interview-with-masako_551860.html

    cops in front, cops in back, agitators in middle.

    Young lady murdered to get at Trump and the Trump movement of equality and decency
    and no wars for Yid.
    ——————————————————————————–

    This essay tells me Lawrence of Cyberia probably another tortured Yid maybe why I stopped
    reading his blog same with Mondo and Silverstein:

    https://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2004/03/the_passion_of_.html

    Cyberia pretty decent when not about Judaism, Christianity:

    https://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/03/palestinians-made-the-desert-bloom.html
    —————————————————————————————————————————

    Video also posted at Gregory Hood’s, “Ashli Babbit”.

    5 dancing shlomos

  441. @anon

    Thanks!

    A bit of a tangent, but here goes …

    One thing we regularly witness from our resident Zionists is a concerted attempt to avoid the issue of international law, their violation of which they have never argued.

    Now some may contend that calling attention to this issue is a waste of time, holding fast to the maxim that all nations possess an innate desire for power, one which, even in entente, necessitates vigilant warfare — be it of the cold (intel war) or hot variety. In other words, when we get down to brass tacks, the world is a perpetual chessboard; either you play to win, or you play to lose. International law means nothing in this game, since the victor can deride it as he wishes without consequence.

    Even if we concede there is truth in this, there remains value in reminding ourselves of international law with respect to Palestine. Why?

    When a consensus of nations agrees upon a uniform standard by which to resolve issues of territorial sovereignty, at the very least, it is simple to distinguish the scofflaw from the compliant. In discussion, reference to international law functions as a means to undermine the vast majority of hasbara, which is usually offered within the framework of “Israel’s right” to commit one or another act of criminality. That law is something most nations have accepted as binding, and as such, cannot be contested without betraying disregard for the rule of law.

    Certainly, such law has done little, if anything, to actually resolve the situation on the ground, yet appealing to it in this and other discussion fora compels the Zionist to reveal himself for the war-mongering miscreant he is.

    And, of itself, this constitutes success, that whoever witnesses it understands exactly whom he’s dealing with.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  442. @AnonStarter

    ‘…When a consensus of nations agrees upon a uniform standard by which to resolve issues of territorial sovereignty, at the very least, it is simple to distinguish the scofflaw from the compliant. In discussion, reference to international law functions as a means to undermine the vast majority of hasbara, which is usually offered within the framework of “Israel’s right” to commit one or another act of criminality…’

    There’s another, related way of looking at it.

    Israel exists because it supposedly should exist. Other nations are just there: France, China, Egypt. They’re not there because they ought to be there: they just are.

    Good, bad, or indifferent: there’ll always be a China — no matter how it behaves. Israel is different; it’s a moral proposition. It ‘ought’ to be — supposedly.

    But what happens to that justification if it turns out to be a criminal enterprise?

    • Agree: Father Coughlin
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  443. Twitter wins Chutzpah points!

    ‘Twitter Public Policy
    @Policy
    Ahead of the Ugandan election, we’re hearing reports that Internet service providers are being ordered to block social media and messaging apps.

    We strongly condemn internet shutdowns – they are hugely harmful, violate basic human rights and the principles of the #OpenInternet.’

  444. bjondo says:

    Awaken with JP.

    5 dancing shlomos

  445. Notice how extra-national Jews are taking away US constitutional rights in principle via Tamudry/pilpul:

    1st Amendment free speech: Only if you’ve got a few billion to start and promote your own platform
    1st Amendment freedom of religion: Yes, but the logical political manifestation of your religious beliefs is banned and government has to enact the exact opposite. “You must live in a spiritual dystopia, goy!”.
    2nd Amendment: Whittled down to just hunting rifles, unless it’s Germany in the 1930s and then any attempt to limit guns was fascism
    5th Amendment: If you stay silent when asked, “Do you condemn Trump?”, you are an insurrectionist and you’ll never work again.

  446. @Colin Wright

    Sure, I see this.

    I’m reminded of Alison Weir’s Against Our Better Judgment, which provides some good evidence that Zionists such as Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter played a vital role in America’s entry to WWI in exchange for Britain’s recognition of a “Jewish Home” in Palestine. America’s history of shouldering burdens for the Zionist project is long.

    As is Britain’s. Now, after January 6, all of America can anticipate an ever-tightening noose.

    No good deed goes unpunished.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  447. @AnonStarter

    Now, after January 6, all of America can anticipate an ever-tightening noose.

    And here we go …

    Ron Paul. Let that sink in.

  448. Interestingly, B’Tselem’s getting a lot of mainstream coverage today:

    Israel isn’t a democracy, it’s an ‘apartheid regime,’ rights group says

    The allegation that Israel is an “apartheid state” has often been dismissed by rightwing Israelis and their support groups as anti-Semitic. But this argument will be harder to make now that Israel has been labelled this way by such a well-respected Israeli institution, albeit one that enjoys only minority support in its home country.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  449. @AnonStarter

    ‘Interestingly, B’Tselem’s getting a lot of mainstream coverage today:

    ‘Israel isn’t a democracy, it’s an ‘apartheid regime,’ rights group says…’

    I’ve always thought this comparison was kind of unfair to South Africa.

    After all, the goal of ‘apartheid’ was the creation of autonomous black states, dominated by the (white) Republic of South Africa.

    …something like what Oslo would have resulted in, had Israel broken character and honored its agreement.

    South Africa never started building white settlements in the Bantustans. For the Palestinians ‘apartheid’ would be a vast improvement. They actually agreed to that, in essence. A Transkei is just what the Jews are unwilling to give the gentiles under their power.

  450. This is fun. Now we have a Berkeley professor urging its students to burn books.

    https://dailycaller.com/2020/11/15/berkeley-professor-burn-book-trans-abigail-shrier/

    We’ve come full circle. The book to be burnt is one on ‘transgender’ nonsense.

    The original Nazis targeted literature on sexual deviance as well. The only distinction I can see is that the Nazis of the Thirties burnt books condoning deviance, while the Berkeley professor wishes to burn a book critical of it.

  451. bjondo says:

    A better video everyone but me has probably seen.

    Cops standing while door assaulted then move aside.
    Totally strange happenings in video by JadenX on Jan 6.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/video-shows-moments-leading-up-to-fatal-capitol-shooting-on-jan-6/vi-BB1cAfEN?fbclid=IwAR2hnLKLi57yMJXIGJvtlK7jauiafta3ERvpnbB__sPG1UQsryk651u6hTk
    ————————————————————————————————————

    Other News:

    Shlomo Shelly Adelson surprised the other day to discover his deal with
    Mr Devil, To Live Forever, meant in Hell not on Earth.
    Now, all that money for casino boys for Israeli wifey.

    Others soon to fill a Hell-bound garbage truck: Pence, Barr, all the Cheneys and Kagans, Pelosi,
    Schumer, McConnell, Brennan, Comey, Clapper. Lots more garbage trucks on the way.

    Knock Pence out. A favor to all of us.

    5 dancing shlomos

  452. ‘The House voted 232-197 to impeach President Trump’

    Interesting that it was that close — given the media’s determined efforts to promote their alternate reality.

    I wonder if any Democrats broke ranks, and if so, which ones?

  453. I knew she was a cut above. All Democrats voted for impeachment.

    With one exception. ‘…And Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat who’s running for President, was the one person who voted “present.”

  454. From Glenn Greenwald:

    ‘…One key point: Apple, Google & Amazon banned Parler only after major Dem politicians demanded it.’

    Gleichschaltung is definitely the word for this.

    • Replies: @Talha
  455. Faced with a demand that they remove Andy Ngo’s book, Powells Books of Portland takes a stand:

    ‘ “It feels ugly & sickening to give any air to writing that could cause such deep pain to members of our community.”

    Isn’t the moral courage inspiring?

  456. Haskap says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Both of these houses were off the grid and built without permits.

    Laws imposed by the occupying power in the occupied territory are null and void – so say many, many UN resolutions.

  457. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Uganda cancels “Facebook or something like that”…

    Good for them.

    Peace.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  458. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Here Are The Traitors:

    Republicans who voted to impeach the president were Reps. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), John Katko (R-N.Y.), Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Jaime Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.), Dan Newhouse (R-Wash.), Anthony Gonzalez (R-Ohio), Tom Rice (R-S.C.), David Valadao (R-Calif.), and Peter Meijer (R-Mich.) Taken from PCR.

    Every Cheney (ones connected to DickUS) should be in Guantanamo.

    5 dancing shlomos

  459. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Murder/assassination of Ashli Babbit reminds me of sniper assassination of
    Agha-Soltan (in throat?) in Iran few years back. Probably by CIA, Mossad
    to create problems for/inside Iran. It worked in Western JSM not in Iran.

    When DeepShitState has an agenda will kill.
    If someone is useful, is available, murder time.

    Cops in front of, at side of, behind Ashli Babbit
    have to explain their bozo actions. Then there is
    the thumbs up from the SWAT cop.

    Maybe reasonable explanations I don’t see?

    5 dancing shlomos

  460. Some good news from across the pond …

    Controversial anti-Semitism definition ‘not fit for purpose’, concludes new report

    The UCL working group reached its conclusion following a year-long process involving consultation with experts on anti-Semitism and eminent lawyers. The report finds that the IHRA definition is “not fit for purpose within a university setting and has no legal basis for enforcement.” …

    Furthermore, the report finds that the IHRA definition is unhelpful in identifying actual cases of anti-Semitic harassment and is therefore a weak tool for effective university action. It said that the definition “obfuscates rather than clarifies the meaning of anti-Semitism, and may in fact make it harder to identify and understand how anti-Semitism works.”

    Seven of the eleven illustrative examples given in the definition conflate racism towards Jews with criticism of the state of Israel. It has been criticised severely by a range of bodies, including the Institute of Race Relations; eminent lawyers; civil rights organisation Liberty; leading academic experts on anti-Semitism; 40 global Jewish social justice organisations; and more than 80 UK-based BAME groups. …

    UCL’s Working Group reached similar conclusions. The IHRA definition risks conflating legitimate criticism of the State of Israel, or of Zionism, with anti-Semitism, thus threatening freedom of expression on campus. “By blurring these boundaries,” it says, “the IHRA working definition risks undermining academic freedom.”

    Warning against the government’s effort to impose the IHRA, the UCL group concludes that, “If universities are not permitted to use evidence, scholarship, research and logic to rebut Ministers’ political demands, then our autonomy and independence are seriously in peril.”

    Evidence, Scholarship, Research and Logic: Four Horsemen of the Zionist apocalypse.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  461. utu says:
    @AnonStarter

    At this point the question of the demolition of WTC7 should be closed. Prof. J. Leroy Hulsey at the University of Alaska Fairbanks released the results of extensive computer modelinling study of the collapse of WTC7 that proves that the collapse of the WTC7 could not result from fires.

    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/university-study-finds-fire-did-not-cause-3rd-towers-collapse-on-911-300911896.html

    “The fall of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001, was not a result of fires, according to a draft report released yesterday by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) following a four-year computer modeling study funded by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.”

    “Our study found that the fires in WTC 7 could not have caused the collapse recorded on video,” said Professor Hulsey. “We simulated every plausible scenario, and we found that the series of failures that NIST claimed triggered a progressive collapse of the entire structure could not have occurred. The only thing that could have brought this structure down in the manner observed on 9/11 is the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building below Floor 17.”

    The only rebuttal for this evidence is admission that explosive charges were placed in WTC7 on 9/11. But demolition experts would say it would be impossible to wire a building of this size for demolition within 6 hours. So, we are left with the conclusion that WTC7 was wired before 9/11. From this everything else follows which is that WTC1 and WTC2 were also wired.

    Objections about planes will be raised but they are just minor distractions.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  462. utu says:
    @AnonStarter

    “Sorry, Colin, we like you…” – Speak for yourself. I don’t like the guy; he comes across as phony and insincere. His anti-Zionist animus he likes to exhibit in his back and forth noise generating meaningless exchanges with AaronB or Fran Taubman seems to me as a legend building that certainly would appeal to Muslims which would permit him to take affirmative position on everything else Jewish. There are no Americans with a belief structure like his except for some old fashion anti-Zionist Jewish Bundist relics whose animosity towards Israel is political because they lost to Zionists and instead of having socialist Jewish state with Yiddish as official language somewhere in Europe there is that Israel run by Zionists. The fact that Zionists collaborated with fascists and Nazis and Soviets while Bundist socialists were exterminated by Nazis and the Bundist leadership was killed by Stalin is another reason why the animus goes really deep. But I do not believe Colin is Bundist. He is a troll.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  463. ‘National Guard to bolster security at Biden’s inauguration’

    I recall reading that Somoza, the dictator of Nicaragua, became so unpopular with his people that he felt he had to speak from behind bullet-proof glass.

    • Replies: @Art
  464. Who’d a thought?

    ‘Israeli authorities are failing to provide essential information on the vaccine in Arabic, to establish vaccine centers in Palestinian neighborhoods in East Jerusalem, and to provide sufficient vaccines in Bedouin clinics in the Negev. These failures are “not a coincidence”, rights groups say.’

    Of course Israel does nothing at all to provide vaccine to Palestinians under its rule in the West Bank and Gaza.

  465. @utu

    Speak for yourself.

    I always do. Didn’t mean to throw you with the 1st person plural.

    There are no Americans with a belief structure like his

    You’re certain of that? ‘Cause I’m American myself and I’ve seen plenty of seemingly inconsistent viewpoints adopted all at once by my fellow citizens. In fact, it seems to fit the very definition of being American these days.

    As far as I’ve seen, Colin doesn’t subscribe to the entire mainstream record of the Holocaust™, nor that of 9/11. I have family members who are roughly equivalent. You’re talking about how he appeals to Muslims, yet I still find the notion that Arab extremists were the central players in 9/11 to be decidedly unappealing, and I’ve made my disagreement known.

    Assuming you’re correct and he’s Jewish, I’m still more interested in what’s being said. I’ve dealt with Jews for a long time now, so I’m well aware of most of the angles. I’ll take an anti-Zionist Jew any day over one of our resident nationalists who imagines that Israel’s template is the ideal model for nation-building.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  466. ‘Assuming you’re correct and he’s Jewish…’

    Sigh. No, I am not Jewish.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  467. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    If it helps, I’ve been called Jewish a couple of times around these parts.

    Peace.

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  468. @Colin Wright

    I know that, Colin.

    It seems that I have to strive for more precision in this neck of the woods. “Arguendo” would have sufficed, perhaps. And I’ll try to remind myself not to use the 1st person plural, since at least two people actually thought I was speaking on behalf of a group when using it.

  469. @Talha

    around these parts

    Around these parts, you’re Jewish simply by virtue of being Muslim.

    Or didn’t you get the memo about Islam as a Jewish conspiracy?

    was-salaam.

    • LOL: Talha
  470. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    The truth will set you free — the Jesus phenomena.

    FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/fbi-docs-shed-light-on-apparent-mossad-foreknowledge-of-9-11-attacks/

    Jew lies are failing.

    Trump has less then 5 days!

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  471. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-orders-u-s-military-reorganization-favored-by-pro-israel-groups-11610670130

    US military reorganization favored by pro-israeli groups.

    ‘This Is Political Theater’: Alan Dershowitz Refuses To Defend Trump In Senate Impeachment Trial After Representing Him In First One

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/15/alan-dershowitz-wont-defend-trump-impeachment-trial-senate/

    Till the very end – smart or not – Trump proves he is a fool.

    p.s. Of course this shows and proves that YOU Jews are loyal to no one.

  472. Talha says:

    This is getting a bit Monty Python-ish…
    “Hey there! Watch what you say about galaxies, pal!”

    Peace.

  473. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jew lies and intimidation are failing.

    Dancing 9/11 Jews – Building 7 – USS Liberty – apartheid – 29 standing O’s

    Any and all stand on their own – they are all undeniably true.

    Go for the Jesus phenomena – “the Truth will set you free.”

  474. @AnonStarter

    I’ve seen plenty of seemingly inconsistent viewpoints adopted all at once by my fellow citizens.

    To cite an immediate example: I’m a Muslim who finds it entirely possible that Arab extremists flew planes into buildings on 9/11.

    To some, this appears “inconsistent,” though it doesn’t suggest that I find their action to be consonant with Islam.

    One of the biggest problems here is that it’s all too easy to fill in gaps of knowledge with our own imagination. I’ve seen it happen too many times to count.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Sparkon
  475. @AnonStarter

    ‘…One of the biggest problems here is that it’s all too easy to fill in gaps of knowledge with our own imagination. I’ve seen it happen too many times to count.’

    That’s actually the norm. It actually takes some mental discipline to decide ‘I genuinely don’t know — and can’t know.’ Like, was James Forrestal murdered? People are going to insist on deciding he was or he wasn’t. They’ll have a hard time accepting that the answer might now be unknowable for all time.

  476. Sparkon says:
    @AnonStarter

    I’m a Muslim who finds it entirely possible that Arab extremists flew planes into buildings on 9/11.

    Conspicuous by its absence is any argument to support your assertion.

    As an agnostic, and former USAF airman, I find it entirely impossible that any hijackers flew any airplanes into any buildings on September 11, 2001.

    It is preposterous to believe that a fragile flying machine made mostly of aluminum could punch out its silhouette in the mostly steel facades of WTC 1 and WTC, as everyone saw on the Boob Tube, and then just disappear, as was the case at all of the purported 9/11 crash sites.

    No airplane wreckage = no airplane crashes.

    The USAF did not intercept any hijacked airliners on 9/11 for the plain and simple reason that there weren’t any.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Colin Wright
  477. anon[591] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    The famous melting plane into WTC2:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michael+hezarkhani+video+of+plane+melting+into+wtc2&docid=608047729060417306&mid=75FC8C623A6E5B787A7875FC8C623A6E5B787A78&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    Simon Shack, September Clues, also believes no planes.

    I don’t either, but no expert.

    5ds

  478. How to Make the Islamic World Less Radical
    Recontextualize the teachings of Islam to address extremism—and to inspire reform.
    By Yahya Cholil Staquf

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-make-the-islamic-world-less-radical-11610665933

    Written by an Indonesian Muslim.
    An excerpt:

    Classical Islamic orthodoxy stipulates death as the punishment for apostasy and makes the rights of non-Muslims contingent on Muslim sovereign’s will, offering few protections to nonbelievers outside this highly discriminatory framework. Millions of devout Muslims, including many in non-Muslim nations, regard the full implementation of these tenets as central to their faith.
    The problem is that these tenets, which form the core of Islamist ideology, are inimical to peaceful coexistence in a globalized, pluralistic world. But we can’t bomb an ideology out of existence. Nearly 1 in 4 people in the world is Muslim, and many Muslims—me included—are prepared to die for our faith.

    One of the commenters :

    From a March 28, 1786 letter by John Adam & Thomas Jefferson to Sec. of Foreign Affairs John Jay on their conversation with the Tripoli ambassador regarding piracy by Barbary States: “We took the liberty to make enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of their Prophet; that it was written in their Koran; that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners; that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make them slaves of all they could take as prisoners;and that every Mussulmn who was slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”         ..
    “The ruling to kill Americans and their allies, civilians and military, is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it.”  Osama bin Ladin  –  1998

    World surveys of Muslims show very strong support for this sentiment.  Dressed up as an Islamic ruling by The Prophet directly from God.  Perhaps some Muslims have come to realize that their religion is in need of a reformation… a purging of deceptions, inaccuracies, and hate.

  479. @Fran Taubman

    Perhaps some Muslims have come to realize that their religion is in need of a reformation… a purging of deceptions, inaccuracies, and hate.

    Perhaps some ’Murkans have come to realize that their moron neocon militant foreign policy is in need of a reformation… a purging of deceptions, inaccuracies, and hate.

    The only way is love.
    Love is God’s way.
    Therefore it will work, and last.

    I think even Jefferson recognized that:

    …we [Jefferson and Adams] considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.

    Hence, no provocation, no war.
    “Glory to God in the highest,
    And on earth peace, goodwill toward men.” Luke 2:14

  480. @Sparkon

    ‘It is preposterous to believe that a fragile flying machine made mostly of aluminum could punch out its silhouette in the mostly steel facades of WTC 1 and WTC, as everyone saw on the Boob Tube, and then just disappear, as was the case at all of the purported 9/11 crash sites.’

    I’ve heard that argument before.

    I’ve also seen a photograph of a straw driven through a tree trunk by a tornado.

    Maybe if the mass is going fast enough, it’ll punch through regardless of what it is.

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @Sparkon
  481. @Fran Taubman

    ‘How to Make the Islamic World Less Radical
    Recontextualize the teachings of Islam to address extremism—and to inspire reform.
    By Yahya Cholil Staquf…’

    Think this might work with Judaism?

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  482. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’ve also seen a photograph of a straw driven through a tree trunk by a tornado.

    Did the tree collapse into its roots?

    I’ve always believed if a straw was going fast enough an anvil not a problem.
    Right straight through.

    Then there is that silo hole in the Pentagon.

    5 dancing shlomos

  483. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Truly! Fran’s Chabad still teaches “Kill even the best of the Gentiles.” She’ll tell you this Chabad teaching is just about some long-forgotten horse-trading with the Egyptians—except Chabad explicitly teaches it applies “in a time when the Jews have control over the Gentiles.”

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  484. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    How to Make the Islamic World Less Radical

    What percentage of Muslim nations hold 12 year old children as political prisoners?

    100 percent of Jew nations do! (Backed by 85% of the worlds Jews.)

    Jew loving Jordon Peterson says to clean your room.

    You should listen to him before you pass out righteous crap.

    Your skirts are dirty.

    p.s. The Muslims will reform themselves long before you Jews do.

  485. @Art

    ‘How to Make the Islamic World Less Radical’

    1. Pull the plug on Israel. That will take care of Israel.

    2. Support the rise of more Muslim leaders and states that more or less respond to the aspirations of their people: Erdogan, Morsi, the Islamic Republic of Iran. We don’t have to like them; the question is whether their subjects do.

    3. Respond positively to cooperative behavior, negatively to hostile behavior.

    I think these steps should pretty much address the problem.

  486. @Art

    ‘p.s. The Muslims will reform themselves long before you Jews do.’

    The Muslims can reform themselves or no as they wish.

    We don’t sponsor, arm, and support their states — except as a function of pleasing Israel.

  487. @Art

    I did not write the article Art. It was written by a Muslim writing about Islam. Talk to him. These are not my opinions.

    • Replies: @anon
  488. Sparkon says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’ve heard that argument before.

    I’ve also seen a photograph of a straw driven through a tree trunk by a tornado.

    No you haven’t.

    What you’ve seen perhaps is a photo of a straw driven into a tree trunk, or more likely, into its bark. At any rate, a collision between straw and wood has absolutely nothing to do with what took place on 9/11, and is therefore entirely irrelevant.

    In respect to 9/11, what matters is what happens in a collision between aluminum and steel, where the former is soft, light and brittle, while the latter is hard, heavy, and strong.

    Maybe if the mass is going fast enough, it’ll punch through regardless of what it is.

    So far, I’ve never seen a demonstration where aluminum penetrates or cuts through steel. If you’ve got it, let’s see it. Aluminum vs. Steel, and nothing else.

    Even a bird can smash through the thin aluminum alloy skin of an airliner, and it’s happened on numerous occasions. Steel, of course, is much stronger than any goose or eagle, so obviously steel would do even more damage to an airplane than a big bird like a goose.

    It seems certain, therefore, that the relatively fragile aluminum airplane would have yielded to the much stronger steel box columns that made up the exterior facades of the Twin Towers, and the 767s could hardly have smashed through that strong steel facade, while leaving their outlines on the buildings.

    I know they don’t make bullets, or knives, out of aluminum, and I also know that shooting bullets through steel is not easy.

    To that end, the anti-armor boys have come up with various projectile designs to knock out tanks. It almost goes without saying that precisely none of these armor-piercing rounds are hollow aluminum tubes, but all anti-armor projectiles are fired at much higher velocities than the sub-sonic speeds claimed for the 767s on 9/11, which had them flying about as fast as a speeding BB.

    The round, solid BB can handle the aerodynamic stresses at 500 mph at sea level due to its design, but many aviation experts doubt that a 767 can even be flown and controlled at 500 mph at or below 1000 feet altitude.

    But it’s all moot because there were no real hijacked airliners on 9/11.

    • Replies: @Art
  489. @Art

    You do realize that Morisi is dead. He was hanged in prison. The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in Egypt. You do support the current government in Egypt are you a Muslim Brotherhood kind of guy?
    If figures you would be seeing how you are the current lap dog of all that is Islam and your fan club of of AS and Talha. Suck up to the Muslim Brotherhood Colin see where that gets you.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
    , @anon
  490. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Suck up to the Muslim Brotherhood Colin see where that gets you.’

    Utu and Fran are going to have to duke it out. Am I a Bundist Jew or a member of the Muslim Brotherhood?

  491. ‘Troops, Blockades and Eerie Quiet Pervade a Locked-Down Washington
    The nation’s capital has been turned into a secured encampment ahead of the inauguration’

    A government by the people, of the people, and for the people.

  492. The bizarre case of Mohammad El-Halabi displays Israeli “justice”

    El-Halabi is a refugee, born in Gaza, 42, the father of five, with a Master’s degree in engineering and – until his arrest in 2016 – an employee of the Christian charity World Vision (WV). He devoted 10 years to the organization; for 2 of those years (2014-2016), he led the Gaza branch. In 2014, the United Nations presented him with a Humanitarian Hero award.

    El-Halabi, who has helped provide critical medication to children in Gaza who were dying of cancer, now sits behind bars without access to his family and only limited access to his attorney. He holds the distinction of having the longest military trial in the history of the Israeli occupation.

    Israel charges that El-Halabi embezzled about $50 million on behalf of Hamas, even though his cumulative operating budget was about $22.5 million and he was never authorized to spend more than $15,000 without approval.

    Both World Vision and the Australian government have conducted audits and stood by El-Halabi throughout his imprisonment. Israel, however, is renowned for bringing bogus charges against charitable organizations, such as Oxfam.

    Experts believe the whole point of these wrongful practices is Israel’s desire to intimidate human rights organizations in the Palestinian territories and their donors.

    Bingo.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  493. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in Egypt.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in Egypt by a Mossad and CIA controlled regime.

    Oh my — Just one more rational reason to hate the neocon rulers of Israel and world Jewry.

  494. Art says:
    @Sparkon

    But it’s all moot because there were no real hijacked airliners on 9/11.

    I see – NO airplanes!

    Am afraid to ask, but what is your explanation for 9/11?

    • Replies: @bjondo
  495. bjondo says:
    @Art

    Give Simon Shack, “September Clues”, a watch.

    One explanation.

    This famous video, aired many times on ChitNotNews, seems to confirm:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=michael+hezarkhani+video+of+plane+melting+into+wtc2&docid=608047729060417306&mid=75FC8C623A6E5B787A7875FC8C623A6E5B787A78&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    (Michael Hezarkhani, plane melting into WTC2)

    I don’t know. Am interested in others’ thinking about this.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Thanks: Art
  496. Frankly, I’ve never seriously looked at the various 9/11 truther explanations (beyond the clear Mossad involvement).

    My attitude is that it all falls under the ‘Australia’ heading. You can bombard me with whatever evidence, invective, and outright abuse you like — I’m sure Australia actually is there. I just won’t waste time examining the possibility it’s all made up. Ditto for any theory that something other than Islamic terrorists flying planes into buildings and making them fall down happened on 9/11/2001. My position is they really did. Like Australia being there, there are just too many good reasons to believe this really is what happened. There it is.

    But more importantly…

    (a) It doesn’t need to be established that it was all a giant plot. Israel’s known involvement really should be enough for all practical purposes, if properly publicized. That actually can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, so take that ball and run with it. I try to.

    (b) I suspect the more fabulous the 9/11 truther theories, the more the Zionists like them. They only serve to weaken (a) by association. Claiming there were no planes at all is practically hasbara from this point of view.

    Should, on some future day, when Israel is a not-so-fond memory, someone writes an earnest book demonstrating that actually, it looks like 9/11 really was a …well, maybe I’ll look at it. Right now, I’d rather take what I know and what I know we can make everyone else know and ram that down their throats. Don’t confuse the issue. Don’t give them an out by presenting them with something they can plausibly dispute.

    • Replies: @Art
  497. bjondo says:

    Revolver News.com.
    I had problems with articles dealing with Swamp Snake Bill Barr.
    If interested, you might have better luck.

    One article, kept going out on me, seem to indicate that Barr
    and other insiders talked Trump out of pardoning Snowden.
    Shouldn’t be too late plus Assange plus all his supporters from 01/06.

    Hell, pardon everybody but Kushner.

    Have Smithonian Zoo make arrangements for Pence to share cage
    with horny and hungry chimps. Barr can watch. Next in.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @bjondo
  498. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    What roll did US Jews play in 9/11?

    I believe the Arabs. They said they attacked America because of our mistreatment of the Palestinians. Our abuse of Palestine is undeniable. It is also undeniable that US Jews caused our mistreatment. Thus, the Jews are responsible for 9/11 happening – end of story.

    As to US Jew actual participation in 9/11 – there are some unanswerable facts. The five dancing Israelis and Building 7 falling. I am sure there are more.

    Also post 9/11 – Jews played an inordinate roll in the 9/11 investigations.

    Post 9/11 – Jews also played an inordinate roll in starting the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

    The above is as true as true can be.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  499. @Art

    Skip Building Seven and the denial of all moral responsibility to the actual terrorists, and we’re in agreement.

    Good enough for government work. I’d rather argue with people with whom my differences are more substantial.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  500. When you think you’ve got it bad, just remember the people of Jenin …

    Apartheid is too mild a concept

    We worked in the dilapidated UNRWA facility for four hours, during which time I cared for over twenty sick children. As we were leaving, we decided to walk through the rubble of the section of the camp flattened by the Israeli war machine more than a month earlier. I have walked through ruins before and sensed the air of total loss that engulfs the whole space. This time I looked at details: the remnants of a family living room with some of the furniture still in place under the caved-in walls; a plastic flower basket hanging between the iron bars protruding from the half-ceiling; a wheelchair hanging from a fallen balcony (we were told the paraplegic survived his fall); pieces of broken toys, the remnants of a musical string instrument, flattened pots and pans. Here and there a few families sheltered under a blanket strung across four sticks over what used to be their camp home, their supposed refuge away from their original home within Israel.

    Halfway through our walk I noticed a middle-aged man, thin, unshaven and covered with dust, kneeling inside a shallow ditch he had cleared in the middle of the rubble. The ditch was about two meters long by one wide, and about one meter deep, about the size of a freshly dug grave. The bottom was well-packed solid ground, obviously a part of the original camp ground, and the two sides were the base of concrete walls, one with faded blue paint. I walked closer to him, but he did not notice me. Instead he continued clearing the rubble with his bare hands, totally absorbed by his work and with a very determined look on his face. I greeted him with the traditional “May God give you health,” to which he responded absentmindedly, almost mechanically. He continued shoveling out the dirt, only this time throwing the handfuls in the other direction. He was obviously preoccupied but not distraught. I persisted and inquired about what he was looking for. He turned to me and said sarcastically, “Gold, what else?” Again, I persisted with my question. Then he sighed and looked away with a certain sense of shame.

    “This is the alley on which my house opened. You are standing where it used to be. This is my neighbor’s home. I just wanted to clean in front of my house.”

    That did it. I could not hold the grief and sadness anymore. It hit like a bolt and I started sobbing. I crouched down, took my glasses off and tried to dry my eyes. But it would not stop. I kept sobbing and my silent gulping for air became louder. Then I just let go and sobbed loudly, momentarily lapsing into the dark abysmal loneliness I felt when as a teenager I came home to find my mother dead and already buried. I regained control only when two men held me around the shoulders and tried to comfort me. One was the same man digging for gold; the second man, I found out later, was a young man nicknamed Michael Jackson, the now-unemployed leader of the camp’s renowned folkdance troop. They both kept repeating to me one reassuring statement: “We are strong. We will outlive this and overcome the destruction.”

    Jenin, Jenin: documentary recently banned by Israel.

  501. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    CORRECTION: revolver.news not as shown at #522

  502. Sparkon says:
    @Colin Wright

    Good enough for government work. I’d rather argue with people with whom my differences are more substantial.

    You’ve already demonstrated you can’t do that. First you said you’d heard it all before, then you claimed you’d never really looked into it. You accept the Arab Kamikaze Pilots theory, you say, on the same basis you accept the existence of Australia. Did you get bonus points and reduced fare for that flight of logic? I’d call your kind of sophistry sophomoric, but that would be giving it entirely too much credit.

    In doing your little shuffle of insinuation, Slick, you don’t even realize you’re stepping on your own toes.

    Arab Kamikaze Pilots are the keystone to the entire 9/11 psychodrama, “as seen on TV,” because without them there is no justification for the U.S. to go on a military rampage in Central Asia and the Middle East, and nowhere has satisfaction been greater to see several nations ripped apart by these U.S. adventures than in Tel Aviv.

    No hijacked airliners on 9/11 = no Arab Kamikaze Pilots on 9/11.

  503. anon[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I did not write the article Art. It was written by a Muslim writing about Islam. Talk to him. These are not my opinions.

    But you did write the thousands of racist, anti-Christian and Islamophobic jew comments in your comments archive agreeing with these opinions, didn’t you, kike. These thousands of comments were written by a senile old kike, shilling for her cancerous jew tribe. Go stick your jew head in an oven, jew cunt. These are your cunting jew opinions.

  504. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You do realize that Morisi is dead. He was hanged in prison. The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in Egypt. You do support the current government in Egypt are you a Muslim Brotherhood kind of guy?

    Yeah, and your cancerous little kike regime in Palestine will soon be dead too. I support the death of the cancerous kike regime in Palestine, I’m a death to the cancerous kike regime in Palestine kind of guy.

    If figures you would be seeing how you are the current lap dog of all that is Islam and your fan club of of AS and Talha. Suck up to the Muslim Brotherhood Colin see where that gets you.

    This is truly hilarious coming from you, seeing how you are the UR’s resident lap kike of all that is kiked and your little kike fan club of AaronB and A123. I would take the Muslim Brotherhood over the cancerous kike vulturehood any day of the week, jew cunt.

  505. Talha says:

    One of the more interesting and respectful conversations I have seen as of recent:

    Peace.

  506. Last week, B’Tselem, the Israeli human rights group, officially declared Israel an “apartheid regime.” This declaration received a relatively surprising amount of attention in the western mainstream press.

    Now Israel has moved to ban B’Tselem from speaking in schools:

    Israel to rein in rights groups over use of ‘apartheid state’

    Late on Sunday, Israel’s Education Minister Yoav Galant tweeted he had instructed the ministry’s director-general to “prevent the entry of organizations calling Israel ‘an apartheid state’ or demeaning Israeli soldiers from lecturing at schools”.

    It’s unclear, however, whether or not Israel will be able to enforce the ban:

    Despite the education minister’s announcement, B’Tselem gave a lecture on Monday at the Hebrew Reali School in Haifa. In a tweet, the organization wrote: “The lecture did take place and the Israeli government will have to contend with our existence until the apartheid regime ends.”

    Demonstrating the power of kvetchery, Zionist website “honestreporting.com” succeeded in convincing the Associated Press to revise an article on the subject. The AP added the following paragraphs:

    [MORE]

    Eugene Kontorovich, director of international law at the Jerusalem-based Kohelet Policy Forum, says the fact that the Palestinians have their own government makes any talk of apartheid “inapplicable,” calling the B’Tselem report “shockingly weak, dishonest and misleading.”

    Palestinian leaders agreed to the current territorial divisions in the Oslo accords in the 1990s, and the Palestinian Authority is recognized as a state by dozens of nations. That, Kontorovich says, is a far cry from the territories designated for Black South Africans under apartheid — known as bantustans — to which many Palestinians compare the areas governed by the PA.

    Kontorovich said the use of the word “apartheid” was instead aimed at demonizing Israel in a way that “resonates with racial sensitivities and debates in America and the West.”

    For a closer look at the allegedly autonomous Palestinian Authority …

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  507. bjondo says:

    One from Electronic Intifada and one from Moon of Alabama, both via Niqnaq:

    UK Labour Party hires former Israeli spy

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/uk-labour-party-hires-former-israeli-spy

    New Leaks Show How British Spies Infiltrate And Undermine Lebanon’s Security Services

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/01/new-leaks-show-how-british-spys-infiltrate-and-undermine-lebanons-security-services.html

    From the sick humor dept:
    (some pics worth a thousand vomits)

    https://alethonews.com/2021/01/19/biden-appoints-transgender-penn-official-rachel-levine-despite-grisly-record-on-nursing-home-deaths/

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  508. I guess they got nervous.

    The troop count for the inauguration has been upped from 15,000 to 25,000.

  509. @AnonStarter

    ‘Eugene Kontorovich, director of international law at the Jerusalem-based Kohelet Policy Forum, says the fact that the Palestinians have their own government makes any talk of apartheid “inapplicable,” calling the B’Tselem report “shockingly weak, dishonest and misleading.”’

    The dishonesty of that is staggering.

    The essence of apartheid was blacks having their own governments — under wildly unfair terms, and in practice subject to white intervention, but their own governments.

    On reflection, I’ll guess I’ll have to modify my condemnation of the good director. Apartheid was — as I have pointed out — considerably more than the Palestinians are allowed to have. After all, the Blacks of the Bantustans were actually allocated some land and allowed to keep it — the Palestinians can’t even say that much. So Kontorovich has actually got a point — just not in the sense he intends.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  510. @bjondo

    ‘From the sick humor dept:
    (some pics worth a thousand vomits)

    https://alethonews.com/2021/01/19/biden-appoints-transgender-penn-official-rachel-levine-despite-grisly-record-on-nursing-home-deaths/’

    Rachel Levine.

    Hey. It’s transsexual, it’s Jewish. What does its actual record matter compared to those qualifications?

    Loyalty. What Harri…whoops, Biden is going to need is loyalty. A Jewish transsexual will always know what side it’s on.

  511. McConnell channels his inner Laval.

    ‘McConnell Says Trump Provoked Capitol Mob
    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the mob was “provoked by the president and other powerful people,” and he also sought to protect the filibuster as Democrats take control of the chamber…’

    Honestly. The sexual deviants, blacks, Jews, and minority pets I can deal with — but these slimeball collaborators are going to be the death of us.

  512. Art says:

    Warning — vomit bag needed!

    Trump reportedly abandoned pardons for Assange and Snowden.

    … … … …

    On January 17, the New York Times reported that an associate of Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told Kiriakou a pardon would cost him $2 million.

    https://shadowproof.com/2021/01/19/trump-snowden-assange-pardons-afraid-republicans/

    Washington DC is a Sh*thole

  513. You gotta admit…

    ‘Biden Sworn In as 46th President, Says “Democracy Has Prevailed”‘

    The old guy does have a sense of humor.

    • Replies: @Talha
  514. bjondo says:

    Coup 1 – JFK
    Coup 2 – Nixon
    Coup 3 – Trump

    Is it three that brings darkness,
    downfall, disaster to evildoers?

    I think so.

    5 dancing shlomos

  515. This is promising.

    ‘WASHINGTON—President Biden signed 10 executive orders on his first full day in office to combat the coronavirus, seeking Thursday to jump-start the U.S. response to the pandemic while warning it will take “many months to get where we need to be.”’

    If Biden follows through on that, it should end all hope that the Left can continue to speak for a majority of Americans.

    We’re tired of this shit. First one to figure that one out wins the prize.

  516. At least he knew who boss man was.

    ‘Trump pardons Israeli colonel Aviem Sella who recruited spy Jonathan Pollard to collect US military secrets for the country’

  517. Voices of Joy and Emptiness…

  518. @Talha

    Empty politics
    Leaves a man like a lost dog
    Seeking his owner.

    • Agree: Talha
  519. @Talha

    Bemused Bernie sits,
    Wond’ring where his life has gone.
    Cold his only friend.

    Be well.

    • Thanks: Talha
  520. Talha says:
    @Talha

    My favorite 3 memes based on Bernie’s classic “grumpy grandpa” look:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Talha
  521. @Talha

    ‘My favorite 3 memes based on Bernie’s classic “grumpy grandpa” look:’

    I like your number two.

    If we took the Bernie, does that mean we won?

    • LOL: Talha
  522. Talha says:
    @Talha

    And it don’t stop!

    • Replies: @Talha
  523. Itsa party time! The Biden Presidency kicks it off.

    ‘A large convoy of U.S. military personnel headed into Syria on Thursday along with hundreds of troops some 24 hours after President Joe Biden took office and took on his commander-in-chief role, foreign media reported…’

    Presumably, not reported in American media.

  524. This article was a classic example of propaganda and contained no information that is neither widely unknown or widely disputed by the majority of Americans. China just stated that it would reserve the right to militarily attack any ship in the South or East China Seas, which the Chinese have laid claim to total control of both despite no legal standing to do so and disputes with Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Brunei.

    Timing is everything.

    Just because I have strongly criticized my own government, and the fact that my own government is guilty of many crimes, it does in no way exhonerate the CCP and in no way means that if the American government is corrupt, then the CCP must be innocent. Both are corrupt and both have resorted to barbaric crimes against humanity.

    As far as Huwaei spying claims, it is probably because the technology companies and Western governments know that the technology enables spying, regardless of who manufactures it, and they also know that China has a Stasi level of spying on Chinese citizens. Spies spy. It is unfortunately a way of life and huge business for way too many people. Spies are sex offenders, thieves, intellectual property thieves, and identity thieves.

    When governments are totally corrupt and totally guilty of crimes against humanity, they have frequently resorted to authoritarian surveillance practices in order to prevent being held accountable for their corruption and crimes against humanity.

    So, why is the Chinese government heavily spying on Chinese citizens through the use of  Social credit scores? Is it because they think that most Chinese people are corrupt, barbaric, criminal, psychopaths, or is it because the CCP is full of corrupt, barbaric, criminal psychopaths?

    Andrea Iravani

    Larry Romanoff article American Dystopia Masked Propagganda Utopia on The Saker apparently censored me for disputing Chinese propaganda by someone with a Russian last name, that is not the Russian royalty Romanoffs because Sputnik News said that they found the last living Romanoff, and the first name was not Larry.

  525. I’m getting a horrible feeling that we’re about to learn what it’s like to live in an authoritarian society; not Stalin’s Russia perhaps, but Brehznev’s, or modern China.

    The swine really are serious.

    https://reclaimthenet.org/democrats-lev … -big-tech/