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  1. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Aya Sophia:

    Good that A. Sophia has been returned to religion, to be a place of worship.

    Now, return the Arabic script. God and beauty.

    Return Donmeh Shlomo Ataturk’s bones to the Rothschilds, his master.

    He served his purpose. Lasted maybe 100 yrs.
    Shit always passes.
    Time to flush Shlomo Ataturk and his memory.

    His grave marker should read: “He killed 6,000,000 Christians.”

    • Replies: @Rico
  2. Talha says:

    Pray for the people of Beirut, there was a massive explosion at one of its ports. They are still trying to figure out what happened. Suffice to say, it will take a while for them to recover…

    Peace.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Art
  3. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Possible causes of Beirut explosion

    #1 reason should always be the fakes south of the Litani.

  4. Art says:
    @Talha

    Hear hear — Prayers for all the people of Lebanon – I hope that this a true accident. The bad guys Turkey and Israel could take advantage of this.

    p.s. Wonder what Trump was thinking and saying with his statement using the words of “attack and bomb?” What outcome was he reaching for? It could not be benevolent.

    • Replies: @Art
  5. Art says:
    @Art

    p.s. Taxi of Plato’s Guns has not posted for almost 12 hours — very strange!

    https://platosguns.com/2020/07/31/america-chooses-a-new-mideast-policeman/

  6. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘… Denying that access should be considered an admission of guilt by Beijing…’

    I’m not as convinced as you appear to be of China’s guilt here.

    However, of all the possible explanations of this virus and the events surrounding it, the possibility that it was an inadvertent release from a Chinese germ warfare lab seems to me to remain the most plausible.

    It only makes me more suspicious that it’s so insistently ruled out. It really would be neat if there could be a free and frank discussion of all the possibilities and how we might determine which one is the true explanation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  7. aandrews says:

    What the hell?!

    Trump: “This May Be The Last Time You’ll See Me For A While”
    ZeroHedge
    Fri, 08/07/2020 – 10:10

    The comments were made during an address Trump gave at the Whirlpool Corporation Manufacturing Plant in Clyde, Ohio.

    The context of the remarks was an executive order that will mandate U.S. government agencies purchase all essential drugs from American sources.

    Trump blamed the American political class for the fact that drugs are cheaper to buy in other countries Canada even if they are made by the same company.

    Trump: “I have a lot of rich enemies. You won’t see me for awhile.” pic.twitter.com/8AmaiENezf
    — Mike ░▒▓█ マイケル (@northexpedition) August 6, 2020

    “So I have a lot of enemies out there. This may be the last time you’ll see me for a while. A lot of very, very rich enemies, but they are not happy with what I’m doing,” said Trump.

    “But I figure we have one chance to do it, and no other President is going to do what I do. No other President would do a favored nations, a rebate, a buy from other nations at much less cost. Nobody. And there are a lot of unhappy people, and they’re very rich people, and they’re very unhappy,” he added.

    In terms of who Trump was identifying as his “enemies,” the president made reference to wealthy anonymous “middlemen” who skim profits from pharmaceutical sales.

    “They are so wealthy. They are so wealthy,” said Trump. “Nobody has any idea who the hell they are or what they do. They make more money than the drug companies. You know, in all fairness, at least the drug companies have to produce a product, and it has to be good product.”

  8. @Colin Wright

    No certainty at all.of Chinese guilt. Just seeing whether Ron will modify his original speculation.

  9. aandrews says:

    Italy: Woman had Her 4 Dogs Eaten by Migrants
    Daily Stormer
    August 9, 2020

    Il Giornale recently interviewed an Italian woman who has a farm there, where she used to raise pigs, sheep and chickens. But not any more.

    Il Giornale:

    The pigs are all I have left. They ate four of my dogs. They skinned them and then roasted them on the embers“.

    In 2018 Rosy filed a complaint with the carabinieri: she had 25 chickens, but they have eaten them all. They didn’t touch the pigs, however, because Muslims don’t eat swine flesh.

    In this video, she shows the journalists around her farm, including the mess left by the invaders.

    […]

    • Replies: @aandrews
  10. aandrews says:
    @aandrews

    An oversight tidbit.

    This case was raised on an Italian TV discussion program recently. The commentators actually laughed at the woman’s experience, mocking her as a xenophobic oik: “Oh, the immigrants ate my dogs!” You can pick up on the body language even if you don’t understand Italian.

    I hope this doesn’t sound Marxist, but journalists are an enemy class.

  11. The good ol’ City of London, aka ’The City’ – (1 mile² of banksters HQ’s) boys at it again!

    Jul 2, 2020 Bank Of England To Keep Venezuela’s $1 Billion Gold Stash

    A UK court has ruled that Juan Guaidó is the “constitutional interim President of Venezuela”. A court in London has ruled that a $1 billion Venezuelan goldstash locked in the Bank of England should not be used for coronavirus relief efforts as:

    “it no longer recognizes Maduro as president of Venezuela.”

    NOTE: The BoE holds the gold reserves of 30 other countries (old data)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverwilliams1/2020/07/02/bank-of-england-to-keep-venezuelas-1-billion-gold-stash/#753ab6aefd56

  12. Huh.

    ‘…Earlier in the week, Mr. Trump had a tense phone call with the casino magnate Sheldon G. Adelson, whom the president upbraided for not donating more to support his re-election, according to a person familiar with the call. Mr. Adelson and his wife donated $10 million to a super PAC supporting Mr. Trump in 2018, and have each written checks for nearly $600,000 during this cycle…’

    Others who have reported this have carefully avoided speculation, but Mondoweiss has a go at reading the tea leaves:

    ‘* Trump could now be less likely to support Benjamin Netanyahu’s hope to illegally annex up to 30 percent of West Bank Palestine.

    * Trump could also be less likely to let Israel sucker him into starting a conflict with Iran.

    This mildly optimistic scenario is based partly on a revelation in the memoir of John Bolton, who served as Trump’s national security adviser before turning against him. Bolton says that the U.S. was all set to launch air strikes against Iran in June 2019, but Trump called off the attack at the last minute, concerned that it might kill 150 Iranians. Bolton (who Trump appointed apparently to please Adelson) was disgusted, but the episode may show that the president has to be prodded into using violence…’

    I’d guess that Adelson and Trump are at a bit of an impasse. After putting up with his dicking around for three and a half years, Adelson wants to see Trump actually start that war before he hands out any more cash. On the other hand, Trump knows perfectly well that while he needs the cash for the election now, if he starts the war before the election, he’ll lose it for sure.

    • Agree: Talha
  13. Talha says:

    Oop…lady might “hang herself” accidentally…

    And gosh darn it, before a trial can take place, too! Shucks!

    Peace.

  14. To put the notion that Russia influences our elections into perspective…

    Not that she’s my favorite lady anyway, but Ilhan Omar has raised $471,000 for her campaign. Her challenger for the Democratic nomination received 3.2 million — almost entirely from large, out-of-state donations. Moreover, her Republican ‘opponent’ (the Republicans have no chance in the district) received two million — almost all of which went to attack ads targeting Omar.

    Omar’s leading by 37% anyway — but there’s definitely a moral there.

    It’s going to make your life really, really hard if you displease Israel.

  15. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    … And who would think of/approve such a doll for kids?

    Kids Doll’s CONTROVERSIAL Button and Sounds

    CEO:

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  16. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden + Harris:
    less than zero + less than zero = the laughingstock of history.

    Some, many sacrificed for this.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  17. Ilhan Omar wins her primary by 28,000 votes.

    It’s mildly amusing to do a search on ‘Ilhan Omar primary 2020.’ There’s so much abuse and predictions of her impending defeat that the casual observer might be forgiven for assuming she’d lost. The swine really pulled out all the stops on this one.

  18. Also amusing. All four of the candidates in the Democratic primary in Ilhan Omar’s district for whom a picture is available are black.

    The district is 63% white.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  19. @anon

    Now, this is gonna blow – BIG TIME!

    President Trump Lists The Criminals At Press Conference; Possibly Treason (2:03)

  20. @anon

    @anon[327]

    Does it really surprise you?

    From the Talmud we read:

    “A girl over 3 years and a day is unclean”

    “A boy over 9 years and a day is unclean.”

    Goys, of course.

    Its been the goal of zionist-jews in the US for quite some time now, at least since the 1980’s, to legalize pedophilia.

    They even have organizations to advocate for this.

  21. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Recommended, appropriate change:

    Hannah and Esther for Becky and Karen.

  22. @Colin Wright

    My immediate response is that someone cleverly stitched it up for Ilhan Omar, the Zionist lobby having failed to put heavy hitters on to the job. Right?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  23. @Patagonia Man

    Please identify some good sources with reliable evidence for you last par.

  24. @Patagonia Man

    Reliable sources/links/evidence for your last par please.

  25. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘My immediate response is that someone cleverly stitched it up for Ilhan Omar, the Zionist lobby having failed to put heavy hitters on to the job. Right?’

    I’m sure the bulk of the whites remaining in Omar’s district would view voting for a fellow white with mild distaste.

    On the other hand, at least the Zionists weren’t able to snow them.

    Sometimes, both sides are unappetizing — in fact, lately both sides usually are. However, I can put up with one more Congresscreature of color — and it is nice to see the Zionists going away, frustrated and gnashing their teeth.

    …and materially, that’ll be five million dollars less they’ll have to spend pursuing their evil designs elsewhere. It would not have been a good thing if they had been able to make an example of Ilhan Omar.

    • Replies: @Talha
  26. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    …and materially, that’ll be five million dollars less they’ll have to spend pursuing their evil designs elsewhere.

    Sure about this? I mean, the advertising dollars get paid to networks to air ads during their programming and the networks are pretty much Zionist-controlled (or at least controlled by people very chummy with Zionists) so it seems like recycled dollars, no?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  27. Tacit admission from prominent Dems donor Soros that BLM protests / street riots, aka color revolution, is taking place in the ol’ US of A.

    Soros confident Trump will be ‘transitory phenomenon’
    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/511680-soros-confident-trump-will-be-transitory-phenomenon

  28. @Talha

    ‘Sure about this? I mean, the advertising dollars get paid to networks to air ads during their programming and the networks are pretty much Zionist-controlled (or at least controlled by people very chummy with Zionists) so it seems like recycled dollars, no?’

    Well, there would at least be marked dilution. After all, a great deal of the money is ultimately paid out in wages, rents, etc — presumably even the most fervent Zionists among the recipients devote some of their income to groceries and various other non-Zionist expenses. Then too, not all the net income of all the ad agencies would go to furthering Zionism. Somebody, somewhere, is going to decide to buy a bigger boat instead.

    There is hope. They won’t get to use all the money again.

    • Agree: Talha
  29. First they toast their own drone, and now this:

    IDF missile fired at Gaza hits kibbutz cowshed

    Commenter Robert Martin remarks:

    sounds like BullS#%T to me

  30. Mazel Tov to the UAE and Israel for making peace. Exchanging diplomats, business, tourism and air travel. I hope it is a domino effect and the begging of all sane Arab neighbors for finally recognizing the State of Israel as a good partner economically and technically for moving the ME forward to peace and prosperity. Everyone realizes that the Palestinians never wanted peace or a state only the defeat of Israel. Leave the Jihadist Islamist in the dust to rot. Turning the page.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-mideast-breakthrough-11597360774?mod=opinion_lead_pos3

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  31. @Fran Taubman

    Meh.

    The Emirates was always known as something of a 51st state, so this is just formalizing a relationship that’s existed for quite awhile.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190211-ex-saudi-intelligence-chief-reveals-secret-israel-saudi-relations/

    The UAE is mentioned among Gulf states whose intel agencies have been working in tandem with Mossad since 1994, seven years before the 9/11 attacks.

    Non-story.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  32. oh Gawd! What did the American people ever do to deserve this career criminal?

    ‘You Should Certainly Consider That’: Clinton Reflects on Serving in Next President’s Administration

    “A former first lady of the United States and Senator from New York state, Hillary Clinton worked alongside presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential”

    https://newstral.com/en/article/en/1157976934/-you-should-certainly-consider-that-clinton-reflects-on-serving-in-next-president-s-administration

  33. Israel’s Leading Demographer Warns of post-COVID-19 Exodus by Young, Educated Israelis

    Prof. Sergio DellaPergola says high unemployment rate, coupled with political discontent, could drive young Israelis away; challenges government’s rosy coronavirus aliyah forecast

    Barring a dramatic economic recovery, Israel will face a massive post-pandemic wave of emigration, the country’s leading demographer warns.

    In an interview with Haaretz, Prof. emeritus Sergio DellaPergola also described recent predictions of a coronavirus-related spike in immigration to Israel as fanciful.

    Such predictions have been published by the Jewish Agency, the Immigrant Absorption Ministry, Nefesh B’Nefesh – the organization responsible for immigration from North America – and the Knesset Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs.

    “I pray that I’m wrong, but I’ve been doing population projections for 40 years – and, unfortunately, I’m usually right,” said DellaPergola, who worked at the Hebrew University and is widely regarded as the dean of Jewish demographers. “It looks like all those making these predictions are operating on the basis of hopes and fears rather than rationality,” he said.

  34. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I told ya Fran not all Muslims are Jihadi Islamists like Talha and AnonStarter and Kevin Barrett. There are good people in the Muslim world and good developments are afoot.

    Unz review is increasingly an irrelevant hate site.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  35. @AnonStarter

    It is a strategic game changer you can deny it all you want but there is not going back. The Islamic Arab world (Suni) is going to make peace with Israel en mass, sans a deal with the Palestinians. Once the economy, technology, medical and educational advancements are shared watch the ME bloom beyond your wildest imagination. The Islamic Jewish merger will be the most powerful healing the world has ever known.
    Suni Arabia knows the Palestinians have always been a ruse a fig leaf for Islam’s refusal to accept Judaism as an equal. Now they need the Jews to advance and the Jews need Islam to recognize them as equals. It is going to happen. It is a done deal. What happens to the Shia’s? Well hard to say but neither Iran nor Hezbollah are much loved. Neither is doing very well. Lebanon will eventually reject Hezbollah and become a secular democracy. Hezbollah is nothing but missiles stacked a mile high aimed at Israel. Yesteryear. Old news.
    This hatred is over. Finished. It was never a real fight about land for people. Never.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  36. @AaronB

    Amazing how many on the left, Jihadis and the EU are denying the facts right in front of them. Just amazing. The entire ME show is about to change. The three Abrahamic religions must coexist in that region and not only survive but thrive. Jihadist are so yesteryear. I can see Hezbollah fading to black. No one wants their BS anymore, with their stupid missiles. If Hezbollah and Iran want war, it will mean their destruction. They have to know that.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  37. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Eh, Jihadi Islam has no place in the modern world.

    The Muslim Jihadis of Unz are relics of a bygone era.

    Probably half the Muslim world will remain dysfunctional and Jihadi, and half will move past the Jihadi phase and cooperate with Israel, etc.

    Btw, did u get a load of that taxi character! Just when I thought the Unz anti-Semites couldn’t get any worse! You have to laugh 🙂

    Why is a “new addition” to Unz never a nice, friendly, kind, well adjusted person lol 🙂

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  38. @AaronB

    I agree. The Taxi guy/gal is vile and not worthy of being a commentator. If unbridled hate is the only writing you bring to the review what is the point? Anyone can write like that. A third grader. Sub standard on UR.
    It is and will be fun to see the Jew haters with their Palestinian victim hood, Israelis kill and starve babies go down. It is over. Really over. All those countries want to move forward. Israel is the key. Once it starts, it will be overwhelming.
    They have to dismantle and disarm Hezbollah. The last piece of the puzzle. They probably have a plan to take out Hezbollah that involves a coalition including people inside Lebanon. Those missiles have to be destroyed.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  39. @Fran Taubman

    ‘It is a strategic game changer you can deny it all you want but there is not going back…’

    Sure it is. Everything is going to be all different from now on. The Lebanese are going to evacuate Lebanon so Israel can have it and all the Palestinians are going to realize their destiny is to serve Jews for all eternity like Aaron says and all the American Jews are finally going to actually emigrate to Israel and life in Israel will become wonderful and the entire Security Council of the UN will just resign and sign their functions over to Fran Taubman and…

    …or maybe there’s been no real change at all, and a week from now people will barely remember it happened.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  40. @Fran Taubman

    ‘@AaronB’

    Are we really going back to the Fran ‘n Aaron give each other hand jobs in public show?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  41. @Colin Wright

    …or maybe there’s been no real change at all, and a week from now people will barely remember it happened.

    Just look at Egypt, a country that’s been at “peace” with Israel since the late seventies, receiving massive sums of American money in return for this détente.

    Yet this situation depends entirely upon severe suppression of the Egyptian people. Even mild criticism of the government incites suspicion that the critic is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. If we looked solely at the ruling elite, the impression would be of a nation-state that has ostensibly normalized relations with Israel. The Arab street, however, reveals an entirely different scene.

    The only kind of people who think this news heralds a sea change in Israel’s relations with the Arab world are much like cossetted children, long sheltered from the reality on the ground.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Talha
  42. @Colin Wright

    No one gives better hand jobs then you, Talha and his Akhi Anon Starter. Those two fawn over each other like lovers, and you are not far behind, a soon to be third Akhi. The three Akhi amigos.

    You are such a doofus Colin.

  43. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    It’s always good to remember that various local Muslim sultanates also had treaties (and sometimes [gasp] strategic alliances) with the various Latin Crusader states.

    Wa salaam.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
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  45. The status quo is unsustainable and the resistance will not defeat Israel without starting a world war and armageddon. Peace and prosperity are the only way forward. Hezbollah is hated in Lebanon.
    Those stuck in the all or nothing bring Israel down are lost in the sauce. The Arab street want change in their governments and their economic prospects. Jihadist are losers, they cannot deal with peace, it is like losing a job. People inside Iran want regime change. The Shia’s resistance cannot plug holes in with proxy wars. It all ended with the death of Soleimani. The resistance will go down hard.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  46. @Talha

    ‘It’s always good to remember that various local Muslim sultanates also had treaties (and sometimes [gasp] strategic alliances) with the various Latin Crusader states.’

    The Crusader States didn’t exactly make themselves welcome in the neighborhood either, but they seem to have managed to do a better job than Israel in some respects.

    At any rate, visitors from the West used to accuse the Crusaders of having ‘gone native.’ No one’s ever accused the Zionists of having ‘gone native.’

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  47. @Fran Taubman

    ‘The status quo is unsustainable and the resistance will not defeat Israel without starting a world war and armageddon…’

    Israel is being defeated. You’re not there. Aaron’s not there. Moreover, not only are your children not there, but you don’t even have children.

    Israel’s like stamp collecting. It’s a hobby without a future.

  48. @Colin Wright

    At any rate, visitors from the West used to accuse the Crusaders of having ‘gone native.’

    It appears quite a few Crusaders assimilated rather well, many of them returning to their native land all the wealthier for the experience.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  49. Anyway, perhaps more substantial.

    ‘U.S. Loses Iran Arms Embargo Vote at UN as Putin Pushes Summit on Nuclear Deal
    Russian President proposes summit of world leaders to avoid ‘confrontation’ over U.S. threat to trigger return of all UN sanctions on Iran

    The United States lost a bid to extend a UN arms embargo on Iran on Friday as Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed a summit of world leaders to avoid “confrontation” over a U.S. threat to trigger a return of all UN sanctions on Tehran.’

    — Haaretz

    US hegemony is eroding. As US hegemony erodes, Israel’s prospective lifespan shrinks.

    Peace Treaty with the UAE or no.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  50. Again, the Crusader States really do offer a parallel.

    It’s been convincingly argued that ultimately, what killed the Crusader States was simply declining interest in them in the West. Sure, there continued to be upsurges of support and new crusades, but over the long haul, every year saw fewer Crusaders coming to the Holy Land, fewer settlers, less money.

    The same is inevitably going to happen to Israel — is happening, in some respects. Fewer and fewer in the West will care what happens to her. But she’ll still be hated by her neighbors and subjects…

    Demographically, the last big shot in the arm Israel got was the exodus when the Soviet Union collapsed. That was the last of the big reservoirs of overseas Jews with any interest in living in Israel. Politically, this year is seeing — for the first time — favorites of the Israel Lobby going down to political defeat in the US, and incumbents on its hit list — Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib — prevailing regardless. You can say the emperor has no clothes and live now. Diplomatically, Israel has cornered itself into seeking to bring about a war between the US and Iran. That one’s a lose-lose. Either the US finally stands up to Israel — and in doing so, learns she can — or she doesn’t, and the resulting fiasco of an evil and futile war will end US support for Israel completely.

    Finally, nearly half the Jews in Israel want to leave. Some — like our very own Aaron — already have left.

    It’s over. It’s unclear whether this is 1150 for the Crusader States, or 1220 — but it’s over.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  51. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Hmmm, I think the Crusades are a poor analogy. That’s like saying Britain today is capable of doing what she could during her imperial Victorian heyday.

    During the Crusades Islam was still in its heyday, a rising civilization, technologically and intellectually superior to Europe.

    Islam today is an intellectual and technological backwater, a civilization that has been declining for centuries, and that is tearing itself apart.

    Its possible Britain will arrest its decline and restore its Victorian vitality and recreate its empire – but its probably not wise to put your hopes on it. Likewise its probably not wise to put your hopes on what the Islamic works was like a thousand years ago.

    But if it gives you comfort, go for it.

    As an aside, it is nothing short of astonishing that European knights at the end of long supply lines and coming from a technologically inferior civilization were able to carve out kingdoms for a few hundred years in the region.

    Oh, and one more thing Colin, 60% of Israel’s Jews are native to the region – as for the Ashkenazim, they are mixing with them, and soon there will be no difference. Besides, they eat Humus – can’t go much more native than that.

    Have a great weekend, Colin. Weather is getting nicer here, the heat is subsiding. I think I’m gonna go backpacking – sleep on to of a mountain counting the stars.

  52. @AaronB

    ‘Hmmm, I think the Crusades are a poor analogy. That’s like saying Britain today is capable of doing what she could during her imperial Victorian heyday.

    During the Crusades Islam was still in its heyday, a rising civilization, technologically and intellectually superior to Europe…’

    Not exactly. A good deal of the reason the First Crusade (which was the only one that worked) succeeded was that the Muslim world had just been disrupted by the irruption of the Turks. In fact, the First Crusade — and the Second — basically had to fight their way through recently-founded Turkish Emirates and things.

    As to ‘technological and intellectual superiority’ that might be valid if the comparison is to Western Europe — I’m skeptical about the accuracy of such a claim when it comes to Byzantium — which was still very much a going concern.

    ‘…Oh, and one more thing Colin, 60% of Israel’s Jews are native to the region – as for the Ashkenazim, they are mixing with them, and soon there will be no difference…’

    Except (a) few of those Jews emigrated to Palestine as a matter of authentic choice, (b) they are utterly alienated from the Ashkenazim, and (c) they’re only from ‘the region’ of Palestine if you define that ‘region’ as extending from Yemen to Morocco. It’d be kind of like seeing a Latvian as born with a birthright to Ireland — and collecting garbage in Dublin because it’s his dream.

    Think maybe he’d rather move to New Jersey — and will, if things get bad enough?

    I’m here, Aaron. I appreciate the continuing pretexts to retail and develop the argument against Israel. You and Fran keep posting.

  53. @AnonStarter

    ‘Besides, they eat Humus

    You don’t say?

    I believe they do treat their African and Asian Jews rather poorly. It’s odd that Aaron would take pride in the fact, though.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  54. @Colin Wright

    But …

    Aaron tells us that Israel is the place to be, the nation from whose illustrious font effervesces the inimitably undiluted elixirs of equality, love, and humus.

    Is Aaron just errin’?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  55. Major poll: About half of Israeli Jews want to expel Arabs

    Itamar Eichner | Published: 03.09.16, 20:59

    About half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be expelled or transferred from Israel, according to an extensive survey conducted by the Pew Research Center and whose results were revealed on Tuesday.

    Pew surveyed more than 5,600 Israeli adults in face-to-face interviews from October 2014 through May 2015 in what it described as a first-of-its-kind poll of Israelis on a wide range of religious, social and political issues.

    Nearly four fifths – 79 percent – of Arab Israelis say there is major discrimination against Muslims in Israeli society. Jews believe the opposite. The vast majority, 74 percent, says they do not see much discrimination against Muslims in Israel.

    At the same time, public opinion among Jews is divided on the question of whether Israel can be a national home for the Jewish people while maintaining the Arab minority in the country. Nearly half of Israeli Jews, 48 percent, say Arabs should be deported or exiled from Israel. Religious people tend to be particularly supportive of such a move: about 71 percent agree that Arabs should be expelled.

    Secular Jews tend to go the other way: 58 percent opposes the idea of expelling Arabs, including 25 who are completely opposed. But some secular Jews agree – about one third would support expelling Arabs from Israel.

    Seems to be a direct correlation between Jewish religiosity and racism, though secular Jews have a fairly sizeable constituency of racists as well.

  56. @AnonStarter

    ‘… the nation from whose illustrious font effervesces the inimitably undiluted elixirs of equality, love, and humus…’

    As a fairly serious gardener, I have to admit this isn’t completely unattractive.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  57. @AaronB

    ‘… Have a great weekend, Colin. Weather is getting nicer here, the heat is subsiding…’

    ? The high this afternoon in San Rafael was one hundred degrees.

    …there’s something insulting about an interlocutor who lies so casually.

  58. @AnonStarter

    ‘Seems to be a direct correlation between Jewish religiosity and racism, though secular Jews have a fairly sizeable constituency of racists as well.’

    Actually, the interesting thing about this is how — at least on the face of it — relatively inoffensive the Palestinians are.

    The last I looked, the last Jewish civilian who was killed in a terrorist attack within Israel proper died in 2016 (key words there, Fran: ‘civilian,’ and ‘within Israel proper’.)

    Compare and contrast, say, with Cannon Hinant et al, et al, et al. Blacks routinely and commonly slaughter whites and others — often for obviously racial motives. Yet most American whites — and above all, Jews — would never dare say a word about expelling our beloved black fellow citizens.

    But here’s an absolute majority of Israeli Jews going absolutely apeshit on the same theme. This probably holds even when they’re the same Jews. Certainly, while Aaron may find it rhetorically convenient to deny it, he’d be among the expellers in Israel. At the same time, one can’t picture Aaron at a party here in the US giving utterance to similar utterances about blacks. Hey, here in the US, blacks could rape his mother and he wouldn’t peep.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  59. @AnonStarter

    ‘Seems to be a direct correlation between Jewish religiosity and racism, though secular Jews have a fairly sizeable constituency of racists as well.’

    I suspect at least much of the difference is that secular Jews are more aware of and more concerned to conform with the general shibboleths of Western political correctness.

    However, if it ever came down to practical action, I suspect there wouldn’t be much material difference in what fate either group would inflict on the Palestinians if geopolitical developments ever gave Israel a truly free hand.

    Both would promptly drive four million Palestinians into the desert. The secular Jews would probably subsequently express a pious wish that some international body would send the survivors some bottled water.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  60. @Colin Wright

    Actually, the interesting thing about this is how — at least on the face of it — relatively inoffensive the Palestinians are.

    Palestinians on the Israeli side of the wire are in a bit of a bind. They have little choice but to adapt to the atmosphere of ethnoreligious animus in which they find themselves, since the alternative is to place themselves and their family at greater risk by moving either to the West Bank, where the PA acts as an unrestrained truncheon for Israel, or Gaza, which Israel routinely punishes for not acting as its truncheon.

    This explains why, when polled about remaining in Israel, most Palestinian residents prefer to do so, being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

    It’s kind of like being given the choice between living among a lot of nasty neighbors and living among largely better neighbors, yet in far greater danger of losing your life. Hobson’s choice.

    Compared to the Jewish-black dynamic in America, there certainly is a flagrant double standard at play. The moment blacks become wise to Jewish influence, however, they’re insta-schvartzes.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  61. @AnonStarter

    Here’s an interesting claim.

    ‘…Even though Israel is surrounded by Arab countries, rules over millions of Palestinians, and that over half of the Israeli Jewish population originates from Arabic-speaking countries, more literature is translated from Swedish into Hebrew than from Arabic each year…’

    Mondoweiss

    However one chooses to explain that, it implies that Israeli Jews exist in almost hermetic isolation from their neighbors. This is after seventy years of existence as a state and a good hundred years after a significant Zionist community appeared in Palestine.

    Has any society that behaved in such a fashion ever endured?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  62. Miro23 says:

    Seriously OT but this is an open thread. Honest question. Why are so many people getting tattooed? I personally have no desire to have a tattoo so what am I missing?

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @AaronB
  63. @Miro23

    It can be a so-called rite of passage, i.e., initiation for some males.

    It can also be cultural – think Pacific Islanders, for instance.

  64. AaronB says:

    A few of the Muslim ambassadors are very close to me. I visited a few of the Muslim countries [with whom] we don’t have diplomatic relations yet. We cooperated against Hamas. So you can do a lot with those countries, and I will tell you a secret. Most of them support Israel and even admire Israel. When I speak with them over breakfast in my residence and we discuss the Middle East, they admire what we achieved in a short 72 years. I think it’s only a matter of time until we will be able to publicly expose the cooperation between Israel and those moderate Arab countries,” he declared.

    Ambassador Danny Damon, returning from.his post at the UN.

    Like I said, not all Muslims are Jihadis like Talha and AnonStarter, there are many good and kind and just people in the Muslim world, and for at least part of the Muslim world, they are gaining the upper hand.

    Of course, the Talha side of the Muslim world is not about to disappear, and will continue to be dysfunctional for some time.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  65. AaronB says:
    @Miro23

    To add art and color to one’s life. To not be “strait laced”. To rebel against bourgeois norms which emphasize boring functionality over color and art.

    Many societies and cultures have traditionally had tattoos. The Maoris covered themselves in tatoos.

    I my self don’t have a tatoo, but I certainly understand why some people do.

  66. @Colin Wright

    Has any society that behaved in such a fashion ever endured?

    None that I’m aware of.

    Israel does devote quite a bit of effort to training operatives that can easily assimilate in Arab or Muslim societies, however, and this requires not just an academic knowledge of Arabic (or another language) but a familiarity with regional dialects, idiomatic expressions, etc. Quite a few easily pass as indigenous folk, though a discerning fellow can weed them out.

    They’re crucial to Israel’s objective of “containing” the Muslim world — to paraphrase Aaron — a Muslim world that is simultaneously backwater and powerless yet ominously threatening.

    I suppose such self-contradiction is fairly endemic to Israel. After all, it appeals to ancient Scripture to prove its divine entitlement to land, yet refuses to honor the terms by which that land is held, kind of like an apartment tenant who violates line after line of his rental agreement but expects not to be evicted as a result.

    It really suffuses the ethos: hasbara colliding headlong with reality so routinely and resoundingly. It’s the reason the usual suspects despise this site, since it’s one of the few popular venues that serves to expose the tangled web they weave.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  67. I suppose such self-contradiction is fairly endemic to Israel. After all, it appeals to ancient Scripture to prove its divine entitlement to land, yet refuses to honor the terms by which that land is held, kind of like an apartment tenant who violates line after line of his rental agreement but expects not to be evicted as a result.

    Isn’t that pretty much everybody, and every country. I do not see any differences in nationalities fighting and protecting their territory. None

    They’re crucial to Israel’s objective of “containing” the Muslim world — to paraphrase Aaron — a Muslim world that is simultaneously backwater and powerless yet ominously threatening.

    A Muslim world……..

    I suppose such self-contradiction is fairly endemic to ( Israel.) the Muslim world. After all, it appeals to ancient Scripture to prove its divine entitlement to land, yet refuses to honor the terms by which that land is held, kind of like an apartment tenant who violates line after line of his rental agreement but expects not to be evicted as a result.

    Holiness and biblical entitlement are always in the eyes of the beholder. In short Jews think Muslims are A*****holes. Muslims think Jews are A****holes. Right now we have the guns and the ammunition. Like Talha says you guys have to saddle up and fight and get the job done. Then you will own the land. Right now we own it. I do not see any moral superiority or right or wrong. We fought !we captured !we won! All other commentary is silly. You are always trying to denigrate Judaism to prove how we have no rights to the land. Who cares? Watch Bahrain and Qatar all meet in Jerusalem for a big pow wow. Shortly before the years end then KSA. Israel is not going anywhere, neither are the Jews. Enjoy your fairytales.

  68. Never thought I’d cheer on the cops, but…

    Portland police rout Antifa micemen.

    Antifa and Black Lives Matter — bringing the rest of America together.

  69. @AaronB

    ‘Ambassador Danny Damon, returning from.his post at the UN…’

    He’s your ambassador. You could at least spell his name right.

    As to ‘exposing the cooperation’; that’s a typically moronic Israeli impulse. Think Great Britain ever ‘exposed’ anyone who cooperated with her back in the day?

    It’s why you’re going to lose. You’re not fit to rule.

  70. @AnonStarter

    ‘None that I’m aware of.

    Israel does devote quite a bit of effort to training operatives that can easily assimilate in Arab or Muslim societies, however…’

    That’s just it. Close-up, Israel can be quite talented.

    Strategically, she’s moronic. It’s like Japan having brilliantly-trained carrier pilots and excellent torpedoes — too bad the big numbers say you’re sure to lose.

    Anyway, it’s nice when Israel takes pride in her total air supremacy, etc. She doesn’t recognize none of that will matter — so we can all be happy.

    A win-win. Isn’t that nice?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  71. Isn’t that pretty much everybody, and every country.

    No, not really.

    First of all, you have to provide an exact corollary to Israel: sacred text in which the boundaries of a land promised by God to the faithful are explicitly defined; contract stipulations which, if violated, render the agreement between Owner and tenant null and void; and evidence of said violation. All of these conditions must be met.

    However imprecise, the closest analogy would be Saudi Arabia, and I certainly have no problem with the prospect of supplanting its current leadership with one more deserving of it.

    Otherwise, there simply is no corollary.

    In short Jews think Muslims are A*****holes. Muslims think Jews are A****holes. Right now we have the guns and the ammunition. … We fought !we captured !we won! All other commentary is silly.

    Reductio ad absurdum hysterics are more the stuff of schoolyard tempests in a teapot. If that’s what you’re aiming for, then bravo. You’ve achieved it in spades.

    As for its power of persuasion … well, I’ll let you figure that out.

    You are always trying to denigrate Judaism to prove how we have no rights to the land.

    No, that’s not so.

    I merely refer you back to your own Book. For example, Deuteronomy 28: 15-68.

    If this constitutes “denigrating Judaism,” you might want to reconsider your religious conviction.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  72. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Isn’t that pretty much everybody, and every country. I do not see any differences in nationalities fighting and protecting their territory…’

    Yes. The difficulty is it’s not your territory.

    You might die to protect Long Island and your poodles. For Israel you’d give what? Fifty thousand dollars?

  73. @Colin Wright

    Strategically, she’s moronic.

    Well, she didn’t get to where she is today by being moronic.

    But she’s also cognitively dissonant about herself in a manner that epitomizes foolishness. If more Arab/Muslim-dominant states openly normalize relations with Israel, don’t be surprised if they’re thinking along the lines of Michael Corleone.

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  74. @Fran Taubman

    Fran said: “Holiness and biblical entitlement are always in the eyes of the beholder.”

    oh dear!

    Someone hasn’t heard of the Three Oaths.

    Orthodox jews who are who are strongly anti-Zionist, view as not being fulfilled, this midrash from the Talmud, which states that:

    God adjured 3 oaths upon the world – two of which pertain to Jews, viz., the Jews were:
    – sworn not to forcefully reclaim the Land of Israel, and
    – not to rebel against the other nations. [emphasis mine]

    Your mob were supposed to be given the land of Israel – not take it forcefully by:
    – killing Palestinian people,
    – confiscating their property without compensation,
    – razing their towns and villages to the ground, and
    – expelling ~750,000 of them at the time of the Nakba – and then refusing them the Right of Return.

    It pays to understand your own religious teachings Fran.

    If your religion is telling you to kill other human beings – you need a new religion.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  75. @AnonStarter

    First of all, you have to provide an exact corollary to Israel: sacred text in which the boundaries of a land promised by God to the faithful are explicitly defined; contract stipulations which, if violated, render the agreement between Owner and tenant null and void; and evidence of said violation. All of these conditions must be met.

    I merely refer you back to your own Book. For example, Deuteronomy 28: 15-68.

    We always go in the same circles you and I. Yes you are correct the battle is religious between Islam vs. Judaism. I get your point in spades. We are full of errors and are null and void in the eyes of the divine and the decree that follows our fallen souls.

    So it is not incumbent for me to prove what Judaism is or isn’t or what the boundaries in the text say about Israel, or whatever else you ask me to defend about Judaism. It is a waste of time. It would be like me asking you about Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven that made Jerusalem have any significance in Islam. Like quick lets make the temple mount holy to Islam. So Al Aqsa became the furtherest mosque Islam felt the need to build a mosque on the Jewish temple mount to dominate. Could you guys find a mosque a little closer to the closest mosque near Mecca? No physical location is spoken about in the Koran.

    Most people are ready to coexist as equals, but don’t let them stop you. Stick to your view point that we Jews are the worst people in the universe, with an evilness so outrages it is just a matter of time before the entire world stands up and rights the wrongs of Islam and the Palestinians, by taking down the Zionist and their power structure. Stay with that as long as it makes you feel that we Jews are going down. But at this point in time, you the Palestinians, and the Jihadist are the losers.

  76. @Patagonia Man

    Your mob were supposed to be given the land of Israel – not take it forcefully by:
    – killing Palestinian people,
    – confiscating their property without compensation,
    – razing their towns and villages to the ground, and
    – expelling ~750,000 of them at the time of the Nakba – and then refusing them the Right of Return.

    Oh please, look at the partition of India and Pakistan and the death and destruction that followed. Millions lost their lives. How many times did Poland change hands, and people were not allowed to return to their homes, Belarus? Lithuania? Are you familiar with the history of the world? Pretty violent. Jews bought land in Palestine from the Ottomans fair and square. As many Jews were kicked out of their homes with no compensation from Muslim lands as Arabs from Palestine. This situation could have been reconciled fairly with compensation a million times over. But the reality is no one wants the situation to end fairly for the Palestinians. It was never about the Palestinians. It is about getting rid of the Jews as religious coequals with self determination and control of their religious sites. Islam wants control hegemony over all of Arabia with Jews being subservient to them. Nothing else will suffice.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  77. @Fran Taubman

    ‘..Most people are ready to coexist as equals, but don’t let them stop you…’

    Like, say, Jews and Palestinians in Israel? You look forward to the day armed Arab police arrest and interrogate Jewish criminals?

    …or would that be an exception?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  78. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It is about getting rid of the Jews as religious coequals with self determination and control of their religious sites. Islam wants control hegemony over all of Arabia with Jews being subservient to them. Nothing else will suffice.

    We don’t have to speculate about this.

    Talha freely admits that he does not want to kick Jews out of Israel – they just can’t be independent and must be ruled by Muslims.

    One of the cool things about Muslims is that they are so far in their own world that they don’t understand the rest of the world has completely different standards than them, so they’ll just blurt out exactly what’s on their mind.

    The BBC did this documentary on the Gaza Protests, and the Palestinians were just totally honest in the most refreshing way – they said, yes, we’re trying to tear down the fence, kill Israeli soldiers and then kill civilians when we make it to the villages a mile or two way. This isn’t a protest, its an invasion.

    One after another, everyone interviewed just said exactly what was on their mind without trying to hide. It was great.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  79. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Like, say, Jews and Palestinians in Israel? You look forward to the day armed Arab police arrest and interrogate Jewish criminals?

    You are aware that a substantial portion of the Israel Police are Arab, and regularly arrest Jewish criminals? Yes?

    You are aware that the general in command of the Golani Brigade, one of Israel’s most beloved infantry brigades, is an Arab Druze? Yes?

    You are aware that Arabs serve in the infantry and Border Police, and regularly participate in police action against unruly Jewish settlers?

    You have such a goofball vision of Israel. Its like you simply don’t want to learn anything about it that will change the bizarre image in your mind.

    I think you see Israel as this place full of skinny European Jewish accountants with glasses who never go out into the sun living in temporary cities that are barely built up eating European food and completely separate from Arabs doing only brain work, and who can easily just be uprooted and moved to New York. Oh, and a few Sephardi Jews living in tents eating mud and cleaning the toilets of the skinny Jewish accountants.

    Of course, you can easily discover what Israel is really like through the magic of YouTube and TV – but that would spoil the fantasy.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  80. anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It would be like me asking you about Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven that made Jerusalem have any significance in Islam.

    No, it would NOT be like you asking about “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven”, you stupid barking jew cunt, because:

    i) “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven” is mentioned in the Muslim Qur’an and it is precisely for this reason that al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the third sacred place in Islam.

    ii) “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven” are not the words of a cunting covenant that “the LORD commanded” Mohammed to make with Muslims.

    iii) “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven” are not the words of a cunting covenant, not a compact, not a contract, nor is it a binding agreement that can ever be breached or broken.

    iv) “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven” are not the words of a cunting covenant, a compact, a contract, nor a binding agreement that will doom Muslims for all eternity should it ever be breached or broken.

    v) Deuteronomy 28:15-69 will be your cunting jew doom according to your own fucking jew “law” contained in your holy fucking jew torah.

    No physical location is spoken about in the Koran.

    Al-Aqsa Mosque is “spoken about in the Koran”, however, as is the Holy Land.

    How many times is Jerusalem mentioned in your holy cunting jew Torah, you stupid barking jew cunt?

    [SPOILER ALERT: Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the cunting jew torah, AKA “the Law” in judaism, and the Pentateuch, or five books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.]

  81. @AaronB

    ‘… Talha freely admits that he does not want to kick Jews out of Israel – they just can’t be independent and must be ruled by Muslims.

    One of the cool things about Muslims is that they are so far in their own world that they don’t understand the rest of the world has completely different standards than them, so they’ll just blurt out exactly what’s on their mind…’

    You’re too funny. You say that Muslims only want Jews in Palestine if they agree to be ruled by Muslims is a completely different standard than the rest of the world.

    Never mind that you only agree to let Muslims be in Palestine if they agree to be ruled by Jews.

    …so how far would you say that you are in your own world? Is that a cool thing about Jews?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  82. @AaronB

    ‘… I think you see Israel as this place full of skinny European Jewish accountants with glasses who never go out into the sun living in temporary cities that are barely built up eating European food and completely separate from Arabs doing only brain work, and who can easily just be uprooted and moved to New York. Oh, and a few Sephardi Jews living in tents eating mud and cleaning the toilets of the skinny Jewish accountants…’

    Well, you exaggerate, but…

  83. @anon

    ‘… Al-Aqsa Mosque is “spoken about in the Koran”, however, as is the Holy Land…’

    Most of this gets back to Islam largely seeing itself as Judaism and Christianity stripped of the accretions and corruptions that had accumulated over the millennia since God gave the Chosen People the true Quran.

    Of course Jerusalem and the Temple in it is the birthright of all the true believers. It’s just that the truest believers are the Muslims. As I understand it, Al Aqsa was intended as a rebuilding of the Temple. The Muslims took great care to position it in exactly the right place.

    Now, if Jews would just think of Muslims as very reformed Jews, many problems would be solved.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  84. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ok, but Israel doesn’t go to Lebanon and Syria and say, you guys can totally live here, you just have to be ruled by Jews, ya can’t rule your self.

    That would pretty absurd.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  85. @AaronB

    ‘Ok, but Israel doesn’t go to Lebanon and Syria and say, you guys can totally live here, you just have to be ruled by Jews, ya can’t rule your self.’

    That would pretty absurd.’

    But there we go. Israel has spent fifty years trying to destroy Lebanon, and had a go at effectively annexing the bit south of the Litani from 1982 to 2000.

    She still has the Golan Heights.

    So it would appear Israel wants the inhabitants of at least parts of Lebanon and Syria to live under Jewish rule.

    Of course, it all started out with the Jews not wanting any of it all as an independent state. None at all. Independent State? No sirree.

    Then you wanted just half of Palestine. Then 80% of it. Then all of it. Then all of it plus bits next door.

    Is there some reason to think it would end? What would you suggest would make it end? Abject surrender and see what you decide to take?

    Well, I think we can all agree that’s a fine formula for life. I’ll have to apply myself. Just give me all I want, and there’ll be no problem.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  86. @anon

    i) “Mohammed’s ride on the winged horse to heaven” is mentioned in the Muslim Qur’an and it is precisely for this reason that al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem is the third sacred place in Islam.

    Never once mentions the location of the furthest mosque as Jerusalem. Never. Al Aqsa could be in Alaska. No one saw Mohammed leave the temple mount on a winged horse. No one ever saw Mohammed leave or enter Jerusalem dead or alive. Never. You can call me Jew cunt all you want the facts are the facts. Two Jewish temples were there each for 400 years.

    Have some cookies and milk for the winged horse fairy tale that no one saw.

    Never mentioned in the 5 books. LOL. Where the fuck do you think they were headed to when they left Egypt got the 10 commandments and stayed in the desert for 40 years. The story ends when they hit Cannon led by Joshua and David established the city, Solomon built a temple ….. It is accepted history. The 5 books ended there but not the story or the history. Jerusalem is mentioned 699 times in the bible. 0 in the Koran

    • Replies: @Art
  87. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ok, but we both know the ideal for Israel is not to rule over Muslims.

    Israel doesn’t mind having a certain amount of Muslims, but the whole point of a Jewish state is for Jews to govern themselves. Too many Muslims ruins that.

    I mean, yes, we can talk about how evil Israel is in your mind in a whole bunch of ways, but I don’t think wanting to rule others can plausibly be one of them. Destroying Lebanon, ok, that’s not desiring to rule them. Nor is annexing the Golan.

    I don’t think any Israeli has ever expressed an actual desire to rule over others – it isn’t part of the tradition or religion. The classic Jewish aspiration is to be independent in their own land. Ruling over others would be regarded as a nightmare.

    Whereas for Muslims, it is a part of both the tradition and the religion. Historically, Muslims were empire-building conquerors who ruled others. That’s part of their historical tradition. And religiously, though opinions differs on whether there is an actual commandment to conquer others, there is certainly a copious amount written in the expectation that Muslims will in fact be ruling others.

    Of course today, Muslims can barely govern themselves, but I have noticed that for Muslims, it’s always 8th century Baghdad – mentally they are an on eternal time loop. It’s part of the “retreat into fantasy” that observers of Muslim culture have noted for a long time, and is a big part of why they constantly lose and fail to modernise.

    So since its practically still the 8th century and the Caliph will come riding with his armies any day now, why shouldn’t Talha dream of ruling Jews once again? 🙂

  88. @Colin Wright

    ‘… Well, I think we can all agree that’s a fine formula for life. I’ll have to apply myself. Just give me all I want, and there’ll be no problem.’

    …hey, wait! There really isn’t a problem.

    I already took it, and you couldn’t stop me, so it must be right. It’s an outrage that you object. An outrage!

  89. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    The JQ is a major concern of humanity.

    For a thousand years the Muslims had a workable formula for the Jews – they let them function as a people – but kept them out of government.

    With our current deteriorating unfunctional world situation, we must consider doing the same.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  90. @AaronB

    ‘Ok, but we both know the ideal for Israel is not to rule over Muslims…’

    That’s a bit like saying the ideal of Nazi Germany was not to rule over Jews. So the Nazis were good?

    That you wanted to expel the Muslims (and the Christians) rather than rule over them is not an improvement.

    In point of fact, that’s what caused the first stirrings of popular discontent in Palestine. The Palestinian peasantry could handle Jews buying out their traditional landlords. Yes, Palestine has had different rulers over the millenia.

    The uproar came when it transpired that the Jews intended not just to collect rent, but to drive the Muslims and Christians off the land entirely. That was a first.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  91. @AaronB

    ‘Of course today, Muslims can barely govern themselves…’

    Turkey, Malaysia, Iran, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Tunisia come to mind.

    But there. You go right ahead and denigrate all Muslims. What can be we say about all Jews?

  92. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Have some cookies and milk for the winged horse fairy tale that no one saw.

    Oh my god — too funny — the above comes from a Jew who claims that the God of the universe gave them land on our Earth.

  93. @AaronB

    ‘Of course today, Muslims can barely govern themselves…’

    Let’s talk about the one example we have of Jews governing themselves.

    Corruption? Treatment of minorities? Crime? Sexual abuse statistics?

    Israel, in spite of its small size, is the leader in the global illegal organ trade in absolute terms. Relative to its size, it’s the leader in the white slave trade. For a decade in the first part of this century, it was defrauding investors in the West — primarily in the United States — of ten billion a year via the binary options scam. It routinely steals military secrets and technology from the US and sells them to the highest bidder.

    It has gone to war with every one of its neighbors — and attacked the US, Tunisia, Iraq, and Iran besides. It has staged terrorist attacks in at least Egypt and Iran and assassinations and kidnappings around the planet. It bombs Syria weekly.

    It still can’t survive without constant subsidies and diplomatic and military support from the US.

    The place is a sexually depraved, corrupt, criminal, parasitic enterprise that apparently feels compelled to be continuously at war. And you have the gall to criticize Muslims?

    Jesus. Look in the mirror.

  94. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    … the whole point of a Jewish state is for Jews to govern themselves.

    That is not the whole point of a Yid state.

    What was wrong with areas given to Yid in past?

  95. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    The majority of the land the Jews bought was empty. It was the policy of the Zionists to especially seek out empty land, often malarial, poor land, and buy that as much as possible. It wasn’t only much cheaper, but much easier to buy, and modern drainage and farming methods made the Jews confident they could make the land flourish.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  96. @Fran Taubman

    We always go in the same circles you and I.

    No, not really.

    You’re implying that we engage in regular discussion, which simply isn’t the case. Do you even remember when it was that I last responded to you before you offered your hasbara on the Emirates four days ago? Think hard, now. I know it’s not going to be easy to answer that question.

    Quite obviously, I’ve removed you (and everyone else) from my ignore filter. Full disclosure: I did this quite some time ago, so I’ve seen a lot of your content to date that, for absence of merit, just hasn’t been worth the effort. (Looks as if this correspondence will soon end as well.)

    Thus far, in the space of two posts, I’ve challenged three of your claims:

    1. That the UAE’s official normalization of relations with Israel heralds a sea change in relations between Israel and the Muslim world;
    2. That other nations are like Israel in that they claim divine entitlement to land via Scripture while failing to honor the explicitly stated stipulations of that entitlement; and
    3. That I am “always trying to denigrate Judaism.”

    You’re welcome to convince me with something other than irrelevancies and histrionic hand-waving, of course, but if past history is any indication, you’re probably more interested in dizzily pursuing the outline of those vicious circles you can’t seem to escape.

  97. @Art

    ‘…For a thousand years the Muslims had a workable formula for the Jews – they let them function as a people – but kept them out of government.

    With our current deteriorating unfunctional world situation, we must consider doing the same…’

    There are some differences between ourselves and the traditional Muslim states.

    For one, the Muslims formally recognized the existence and autonomy of the Jewish and Christian communities. So yes, ‘they’ could be kept out of government, etc. Most occupations were dominated by one group or another. It was accepted.

    We don’t — or won’t — engage in the equivalent. We don’t legally mandate that all Irishmen must be firemen and all all firemen must be Irishmen, all Japanese must be dentists and all dentists must be Japanese, etc. The idea of making any occupation the monopoly of a particular group or of restricting any group to that one occupation would be anathema to us.

    Secondly, our society is vastly more complex than the Islamic states of centuries ago. It’s not just a matter of government; what about media, etc? To cite one example, lately I’ve been thinking about how the development — and increasing dysfunction — of our modern legal system seems to owe much to its domination by Jews and their particular intellectual tendencies.

    So it would be nice if we could just say ‘no Jews in Congress’ and our problems would be solved. But I’m not really sure we could say that — and if we did, I’m not sure it would solve the problem.

    • Replies: @Art
  98. @AaronB

    ‘The majority of the land the Jews bought was empty. ‘

    Nu? You may well buy three lots in my town and two of them could be empty.

    If my house is on the third, and you tell me to move out, I still have a problem. In fact, if I see this happening to others, and I have no way of preventing it from happening to me, I might get very upset even before it does.

    The Zionists did not start moving into Palestine and say, ‘it’s okay — we’re not going to make anyone leave.’ Just the opposite — everything they bought immediately became ‘Jews only.’

    That was why there was an Arab revolt. Lots of Jews coming into Palestine meant lots of suddenly unemployed, homeless peasants or peasants threatened with the same.

    …and for the overwhelming majority, their fears turned out to be very justified, didn’t they?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  99. @AnonStarter

    ‘… You’re welcome to convince me with something other than irrelevancies and histrionic hand-waving, of course, but if past history is any indication, you’re probably more interested in dizzily pursuing the outline of those vicious circles you can’t seem to escape.’

    Fran goes to Zionist websites, reads the propaganda, and comes back here and regurgitates it in large chunks.

    You might as well try arguing with a parrot.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  100. @AnonStarter

    No bother. You missed the umbrella to the entire discussion describing the circular argument. You insist you are coming up with new challenges for me to convince you. Like you have put up a response and I
    you’re probably more interested in dizzily pursuing the outline of those vicious circles you can’t seem to escape.

    I will try one more time to explicitly state my over point, and then you should resume your ignore filter status.

    You are engaged in challenging the Jewish claim to the land of Israel using religious arguments. Covenants and entitlements based on scripture etc. My point is that it is a mute argument, we have conquered the land which we lost. I am pretty sure that I am factually correct about current ownership. That you feel it is irrelevant is of no consequence to me. I gave you in comparison the Islamic claim that Al Aqsa was the location of Mohamed night ride to heaven on a winged horse. I think it is a fairy tale.

    I presented a tit for tat. I am also sure that the comparison is factual and reasonable.
    The other tow claims about UAE is a wait and see.

    Perhaps I misspoke by using the word denigrate. I should say you since I have started communicating with you have tried to disqualify Judaism and its holy sites which in your mind have been replaced with the Islam which is certified to be the final communication from the divine.

    My posts have been anything but factual straight up talk sans histrionics and dizziness. Pretty clear, concise and to the point rather brilliantly. Islam does not recognize Judaism as a valid religion, with valid land claims. I never used religious scriptures in my arguments to claim ownership of land.
    Never. I merely said that the Jewish claims were equally valid to Islamic claims or anyone’s claims.
    We won our claim. So you are engaged in an argument with yourself. Not me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  101. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Zionists did not start moving into Palestine and say, ‘it’s okay — we’re not going to make anyone leave.’ Just the opposite — everything they bought immediately became ‘Jews only.’

    No, that’s pretty much exactly what they did. The early Zionists thought the locals would welcome them for bringing economic benefits to the area and helping modernize the region. They envisioned an era of cooperation and peace.

    Only bitter experience taught them what has been confirmed again and again – the Palestinian prefers his “pride” – his need to dominate Jews – to economic cooperation and benefits.

    From an economic standpoint, this could have been solved long ago. But as Hilaire Beloc observed a century ago, this is about the Muslim’s inability to accept the Jew as his equal.

    Sure, any Palestinian forced off his land even if it was legally purchased might feel resentment, depending on how common this was in the area at the time and what economic opportunities existed. But that was a tiny number of cases.

    In any event, it was always the Arabs who objected to Jews living among them on equal terms – to this day, Israel is not thinking about kicking Israeli Arabs out, but Palestinians insist all Jews must leave the West Bank. It was the Palestinian Arabs who massacred the ancient Jewish community of Hebron. And it was Jews going to live among Arabs in Hebron.

    The early Zionists envisioned a Jewish and Arab community coexisting on equal terms, two separate nations. It was the Arabs who decided they could not let the Jews self govern – because, you know, it’s still 9th century Baghdad and they’re still the conquering armies of the Caliph.

    It is, almost, cute – but all false pride and bravado leads to self inflicted suffering in the end.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  102. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Here is the real result of AaronB and Frannie’s mendacious comments. Witness Jew immorality.

    Israeli Settlers Uproot Olive Trees near Nablus

    According to local sources, a group of right-wing Israeli colonial settlers, accompanied by an Israeli military escort, invaded Palestinian land in the northern West Bank and uprooted dozens of olive trees.

    This attack came a day after the colonial settlers had tried to set up tents to begin establishing a new colony on the Palestinian farmland, but were driven out by local Palestinians.

    The land in question belongs to Palestinian villagers in the village of Asira ash-Shamaliya, to the north of Nablus city in the occupied West Bank.

    https://imemc.org/article/israeli-settlers-uproot-olive-trees-near-nablus/

    Jews talk with forked tongue.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  103. @Colin Wright

    Fran goes to Zionist websites, reads the propaganda, and comes back here and regurgitates it in large chunks.

    Maybe you should go on some websites just plain old history sites, before you post you more then ignorant answers about the history of Judaism, the history of Israel/Palestine. Current Palestinian life in Israel proper today, The religious goal of Islam vis a vie Judaism. The origin of Jewish liturgy and biblical text of the Ashkenazim as compared to the Sephardim and Mizrahi Jews.

    That is recommend google time for you. The fact that you think you know something to say that the Jews will pack up any minute and move to NY, is pretty remarkable. You once described Israel as

    Israel’s like stamp collecting. It’s a hobby without a future.
    Gee you think Bahrain and the UAE are stamp collectors. They need Israel economic models, technology, trade and tourism. No one over there are stamp collectors. Do you homework.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  104. @AaronB

    ‘No, that’s pretty much exactly what they did. The early Zionists thought the locals would welcome them for bringing economic benefits to the area and helping modernize the region. They envisioned an era of cooperation and peace.

    ‘Only bitter experience taught them what has been confirmed again and again – the Palestinian prefers his “pride” – his need to dominate Jews – to economic cooperation and benefits…’

    Hypocrisy segues into insanity.

    Those fierce bad Palestinians, bent on oppressing the poor innocent Jews…

    I suppose there is a sort of demented consistency there. The poor innocent Jews never do anything, do they, Aaron?

    ‘…It is, almost, cute – but all false pride and bravado leads to self inflicted suffering in the end.’

    ‘Self-inflicted.’ Ye gods. It’s almost as if it would have happened even if the Zionists had never descended at all.

    Should I be alarmed at the thought that you profess to believe this vicious tripe, or insulted that you appear to expect the reader to?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  105. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Never. I merely said that the Jewish claims were equally valid to Islamic claims or anyone’s claims.
    We won our claim…’

    No…actually, we won it.

    What happens when we pull the plug?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  106. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden does not lead in any poll.
    Has never led.
    No one outside the sewer
    will vote for this long-gone, dead log.
    Kamala doesn’t exist.

    The lie is to set the stage for complaining Nov 4
    after Trump wallops the two zeros by 35 points
    and 49 states
    or 50.

    Similar Topic:

    Yid never buys others’ land.
    Only steals.
    Then lies.
    Descendants continue the lies.
    Add a few new lies.

  107. @Art

    ‘Here is the real result of AaronB and Frannie’s mendacious comments. Witness Jew immorality.

    It’s one of the respects in which Zionism replicates Nazism.

    Just as — say — Poles had no rights relative to Germans, gentiles have no rights relative to Jews.

    • Replies: @anon
  108. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    So it would be nice if we could just say ‘no Jews in Congress’ and our problems would be solved. But I’m not really sure we could say that — and if we did, I’m not sure it would solve the problem.

    To ostracize is the most moral thing we can do.

    A blanket ostracization of Jews is rational and doable. It has happened many times. It would change very thing for the better. We should start thinking about it.

  109. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    In this conflict, the Palestinians are the bad guys. They are the tip of the spear of the gigantic Muslim world against the tiny Jewish community in the region, seeking to impose Muslim rule on them. Their Muslim brothers have fought major wars against Israel on their behalf. They are the local foot soldiers of an empire, or a would be empire.

    That’s not to say the Jews never do anything wrong, just that on balance, they are the good guys here.

    Self-inflicted.’ Ye gods. It’s almost as if it would have happened even if the Zionists had never descended at all.

    Its self inflicted because they could just as easily have let the Jewish community keep the empty wasteland the bought and made productive and not insisted on ruling them. It didn’t have to go down this way.

    But ego always destroys us in the end.

    • Replies: @Art
  110. @AaronB

    They envisioned an era of cooperation and peace.

    Uhm … No.

    There’s just far too much evidence that gives the lie to this claim. See, for example, Rabbi Chaim Simons’ A Historical Survey of Proposals to Transfer Arabs from Palestine: 1895 – 1947 which is a nice complement to Nur Masalha’s Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of “Transfer” in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948. After that, we’ve got Albert Einstein’s description of how zionists rejected equal political representation of Jews and Arabs in Palestine as early as 1928 — a claim corroborated by Ilan Pappe in A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples.

    Indeed, pride goeth before the fall.

    Your own, that is. Here, have a plate of humus on me.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AaronB
  111. @Fran Taubman

    You missed the umbrella to the entire discussion describing the circular argument.

    No, your attempt to divert the discussion by means of a straw man can’t possibly be missed.

    You are engaged in challenging the Jewish claim to the land of Israel using religious arguments.

    Check again.

    I made a tangential reference to the claim in order to call attention to Israel’s habit of self-contradiction; it was not the focus of my commentary.

    You were incorrect in saying that other nations are equivalent to Israel with respect to its territorial claims and have done nothing to prove your assertion.

    I should say you since I have started communicating with you have tried to disqualify Judaism and its holy sites which in your mind have been replaced with the Islam which is certified to be the final communication from the divine.

    You need to return to what I’ve written, then. Neither you nor Aaron seem capable of really understanding my position on most subjects, preferring instead to falsify what I write.

    My posts have been anything but factual straight up talk sans histrionics and dizziness.

    Not so fast.

    The fact that, upon being reminded of the points I challenged, you willingly conceded two of them so easily is enough to show us that you originally allowed emotion rather than reason to guide your rhetoric.

    You see, Fran … It’s just that easy to know.

  112. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Thanks.

    Obviously there were dissenting voices and lots of ideas were floated. I’m talking about the mainstream Zionist movement.

    As for equal representation, obviously the Zionists wanted a Jewish state – a self governing Jewish community, not a shared state which would leave them vulnerable to eventual domination – yet again – by a foreign group. The whole point was that finally Jews would control their own affairs. That does not preclude harmonious coexistence with the Arabs, who would have their own state in which they ruled themselves. The Arabs, as we know, had other ideas, and the rest is history.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  113. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    …gentiles have no rights relative to Jews.

    Humanity has no rights relative to Jew/Yid.

    A disease so deep.
    2500 years deep.

  114. Art says:
    @AaronB

    In this conflict, the Palestinians are the bad guys.

    Get a life — JERK!

  115. @Colin Wright

    There were never US boots on the ground defending Israel. Never. In 1948 there was no one helping the Jews. The Brits supported the Arabs. Russia supported the Arabs, Naser et al. were armed by Russia.

    Those fierce bad Palestinians, bent on oppressing the poor innocent Jews…

    You do not get it Colin and repeat idiotic jive. It was never the Palestinians or the Arabs that caused problems with the Jews, and the Jews never had problems with the Arabs. It was the Arab leaders, like Gamal Abdel Nasser, and Pan Arabism, and the grand mufti of Palestine Amin_al-Husseini, Hitlers best bud. It is never about the people it is about the religious dictators, and Jew hating fanatics. It is not the Iranian people, it is the ruling Mullahs.

    Maybe you have not noticed but there exist in Arabia and the Arab Muslim world, hatred of Jews because they are Jewish and not Muslim, and want their own state, and own their own holy sites.That is all they hate then for.

    • Replies: @Art
  116. @AaronB

    You’re most welcome.

    Obviously there were dissenting voices and lots of ideas were floated. I’m talking about the mainstream Zionist movement.

    Let’s see … Herzl, Weizmann, Zangwill, Syrkin, Ruppin, Motzkin, Ettinger, Jabotinsky, Rothschild, Warburg, Ussishkin, Sharett, Abraham Sharon, Katznelson, Tabenkin, Thon, Norman, Neumann, Weitz, Sieff, Frankenstein, Gollancz, Ben-Horin, Ben-Shem, and, of course, Ben-Gurion.

    All big name zionists, all documented as advocating expulsion of the Palestinians. Jews such as Ahad Ha’am were largely drowned out as the zionists’ foray advanced into Palestine.

    It’s also been firmly established that the public pronouncements of zionists differed radically from what they revealed via personal correspondence, private conversation, and journal entries. For a good example of this, read Simons’ chapter on Theodore Herzl:

    http://chaimsimons.net/transfer03.html

    That’s a major factor in accounting for apparently “dissenting voices.” Otherwise, cultural zionists had no great influence upon the Yishuv and the course it would take.

    Thing is, Aaron, you’ve got nothing to support your claims. If you did, we’d have seen it by now, but thus far, the single-most glaring characteristic of your statements is that you can’t back them up with any solid evidence. Whatsoever.

    Anyways, proceed apace.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  117. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    The amusing thing about you people is you always have hunt in the dark shadows for scraps to build your narrative. It’s always some “secret” document you’ve unearthed and that goes against established facts.

    Whereas for me, all I have to do is go by the public pronouncements of Muslims 🙂 No apocryphal sites in dark corners of the web of dubious authenticity needed.

    I have read s bunch on early Zionist attitudes towards local Arabs. Anyone who is interested can do Google searches.

    Take Herzl. Don’t know about those letters – whether they are accurate or what the context might be from that very not neutral site, but according to Wikipedia these are Herzl’s public attitudes –

    Altneuland, Herzl did not foresee any conflict between Jews and Arabs. One of the main characters in Altneuland is a Haifa engineer, Reshid Bey, who is one of the leaders of the “New Society”. He is very grateful to his Jewish neighbors for improving the economic condition of Israel and sees no cause for conflict. All non-Jews have equal rights, and an attempt by a fanatical rabbi to disenfranchise the non-Jewish citizens of their rights fails in the election which is the center of the main political plot of the novel.[89]

    In Altneuland, Herzl outlined his vision for a new Jewish state in the Land of Israel. He summed up his vision of an open society:

    “It is founded on the ideas which are a common product of all civilized nations … It would be immoral if we would exclude anyone, whatever his origin, his descent, or his religion, from participating in our achievements. For we stand on the shoulders of other civilized peoples … What we own we owe to the preparatory work of other peoples. Therefore, we have to repay our debt. There is only one way to do it, the highest tolerance. Our motto must therefore be, now and ever: ‘Man, you are my brother.’”[91]

    Ill take that, thanks.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  118. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Gee you think Bahrain and the UAE are stamp collectors. They need Israel economic models, technology, trade and tourism…’

    Please. They need the support of the United States. Nobody would play with you if big brother didn’t make them.

  119. @AnonStarter

    ‘… You need to return to what I’ve written, then. Neither you nor Aaron seem capable of really understanding my position on most subjects, preferring instead to falsify what I write…’

    They don’t have much choice. When you’re trying to defend the indefensible, you do what you can.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  120. @AaronB

    ‘… … What we own we owe to the preparatory work of other peoples. Therefore, we have to repay our debt. There is only one way to do it, the highest tolerance. Our motto must therefore be, now and ever: ‘Man, you are my brother.’” …’

    There’s one the Jews really followed through on.

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  121. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So Frannie — in Lawrence of Arabia, the Semite women lined up on the cliffs and shouted war hoops, cheering their men on to victory.

    Being a good Semite-women yourself – do you shout Jew war hoops for AaronB, cheering and sending him on to killing and maiming Palestinian men, women, and children?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  122. @Art

    ‘…do you shout Jew war hoops for AaronB, cheering and sending him on to killing and maiming Palestinian men, women, and children?’

    Now Aaron’s not going to do any such thing. He’s going to stay right here in the US and keep being an armchair Zionist.

    Fran’s going to stay too, of course.

  123. @AaronB

    The amusing thing about you people is that you always have to hunt in the dark shadows for scraps to build your narrative.

    “Dark shadows”? Here’s a list of publicly available references in Simons’ work:

    http://chaimsimons.net/transfer32.html

    The amusing thing about you people is that, when confronted with information you can’t easily dismiss, you always resort to argument ad hominem that’s pleasantly simple to eviscerate.

    Whereas for me, all I have to do is go by the public pronouncements of Muslims 🙂

    Yes, we’ve all seen just how faithfully you’ve represented my public pronouncements. 🙄

    Altneuland

    A novel? That’s your evidence?

    And you imagine that WP’s omission of the controversy surrounding the publication of Herzl’s diary is evidence that it never occurred? Is this what we’re to gather from your stellar analysis?

    Lord, what a nothingburger you serve.

    • Replies: @Talha
  124. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Yes, we’ve all seen just how faithfully you’ve represented my public pronouncements. 🙄

    LOL! Why are you still engaging with this guy? Speaking of public pronouncements, homeboy said on an exchange with Colin (I told Colin I felt like punishing myself so I decided to see what they were exchanging blows over on another thread):

    By shrinking its borders and rolling back its imperialism, the Muslim world will be demonstrating an appropriate humility and willingness to peacefully coexist with others.

    So this must be OUR new goal – the general rolling back of Muslim borders and the shrinking of the Muslim world to its natural place in Arabia.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-109/#comment-4028571

    “Our” new goal…you think Israel is going to do this? Nah, it’s a whole hell of a lot of “let’s YOU and HIM fight” using the royal “we” while pretended to be willing to make any sacrifice for an effort that will require millions of young men willing to die.

    Now those public pronouncements are far more extreme than anything any notable Zionist Neocon has stated; Bolton, Perle, Ledeen, etc. you name them.

    Yet, you and I are supposedly a “foreign Islamist extremist” (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-109/#comment-4031784)…yeah, sure pal. And I’m figuring he is still trying to convince people that people like you and me are some version of Daesh or Al-Qaeda; “Jihadi Islamist”, “Islamist extremist”, etc. Seriously, how many people do you think are convinced by that? I mean, sure that might get a lot of play on comment board at jihadwatch or something – those guys love that kind of thing, but here? Really? I think it just shows how desperate their position has become among people who aren’t already hyper-Neocon Zionists.

    Do yourself a favor – up to you – but, I’d say, put him on the ignore list and save your energy for people who are worth the effort.

    Wa salaam.

    [MORE]

    My brother and I were blessed to have experienced a watershed moment in life. We washed, shrouded and buried our father this week. I cannot have imagined having paid some stranger to do it. My brother led the janazah prayer. It was a very visceral experience. I haven’t wept like this in years…little things still remind me of him. Makes one re-evaluate one’s priorities and what they plan to prepare for their passage into the next world.

    One thing I regret – and maybe you can take a lesson from it – if you have elderly parents, make sure to ask them on a regular basis to forgive you your shortcomings in fulfilling their rights as parents – you never know when it will be the last time you are able to speak to them.

  125. @Colin Wright

    When you’re trying to defend the indefensible, you do what you can.

    When, through a torturous process of denial, a diary entry or letter correspondence that’s been openly published and publicly accessible for decades somehow becomes a “secret” document, that’s a pretty good indication of what you’re talking about.

    Most offensive to the intellect is the presumption that Jewish statecraft would never involve concealment of motive, as if playing it close to the vest is a tactic strictly reserved for Gentiles. So we’re supposed to conclude that “By way of deception, thou shalt do war” — the most accurate translation of Proverbs 24: 6 — is irrelevant to the way Jewish statesmen, including all of the early twentieth century zionists, did business.

    Right.

    Aaron should try his hand at selling oceanfront property in Kansas. He’s likely to enjoy more success.

  126. @Talha

    As-salaamu ‘alaikum!

    LOL! Why are you still engaging with this guy?

    Occasionally, though not often, an opportunity arises to use him as a foil in order to provide potentially edifying information to the silent (and not-so-silent) audience.

    I’ll return to this subject later, insha’ALLAH.

    In the meantime, may ALLAH bless you generously for your counsel and may He raise your father to the utmost heights of The Garden beneath which rivers flow, abundant with pleasure that defies mortal comprehension, graced with the company of the righteous.

    SubHanALLAH, I was just reflecting upon my still living father last night. Much of what you said resonates deeply with me.

    Please take as much time as you need to remember your father.

    was-salaam.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Talha
  127. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ameen, bro. Value the time you still have with him.

    Also, on a related note…my father was in the ICU for a while (his death was not from Covid). When he was at the point of no recovery and had only a few days or hours left – since he was passing – we were allowed in to see him in his last moments, otherwise the hospital is shut to visitors. Everything was calm, no panic, no craziness. My brother and I reflected on this afterwards. Nurses were cautious and wearing masks, gloves, etc. but there was no sense of a pandemic at all. Everything was fairly calm, even slow. There were even some empty rooms. This was in California.

    Wa salaam.

  128. AaronB says:

    For anyone who is interested, I found two nice little books by an author Jason Gregory – Effortless Living, and Fasting the mind.

    They are written from an Eastern perspective, but not entirely. Today, we live an overstimulated and overactive life, and it is causing us immense physical and mental harm.

    There is a simple and ancient solution. Fast the mind. Live effortlessly, without forcing things.

  129. @AnonStarter

    You practice subterfuge. It is just that easy to know.

    The Jews and Israel are no different then any other people or state. Muslims and their states are no better or worse. Their statecraft, borders, corruption and claim of religious superiority is the same.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  130. @Talha

    My deepest condolances on the passing of your father. God bless your family in all the bounty of His eternal love.

    • Replies: @Talha
  131. Talha says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Thank you so much for your kind words and prayer. May God return all the same and more to you and your family.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  132. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Muslims and their states are no better or worse… ‘

    Definitely not what you’ve said elsewhere.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  133. @AaronB and @Fran Taubman

    Seems even the FBI is on your case:

    “FBI slammed after tweeting out ZION PROTOCOLS, history’s most notorious anti-Semitic* pamphlet”
    https://www.rt.com/usa/498466-fbi-protocols-zion-scandal/

    *NOTE: Always remember the term ‘antisemitic’ is a political use of language , i.e., using words as weapons usually to derail /distract from the topic being discussed.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  134. @Patagonia Man

    I have never used the term anti semitic in my entire time on UR. Never. I abhor the word. I have never defended the Jews. I have stated that the Jews are no better or worse then Christians, Muslims, Hindus or any other religion. Israel is no worse or better then any other state trying to keep it’s population safe.
    There is no Jewish conspiracy to take over the world and enslave non-Jews. And Jews do not control the world, media and or banking. Those are all bogus conspiracy theories. On these subjects I haver remained consistent.

    • Replies: @Art
  135. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    An Israeli settler deliberately ran over a flock of sheep owned by a Palestinian shepherd near Hebron City in the occupied West Bank. Dozens were killed.

    Hate everything.
    Usually olive trees and Palestinians.

    Diseased minds from a diseased belief system.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  136. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    And Jews do not control the world, media and or banking.

    Jews control the US government.

    CYNTHIA MCKINNEY: ISRAEL CONTROLS U.S. CONGRESS AND FOREIGN POLICY

    TruNews starting 39.40

    https://www.trunews.com/stream/cynthia-mckinney-israel-controls-u-s-congress-and-foreign-policy

  137. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Scottish ‘friend of Israel’ faked anti-Semitism for years

    https://www.sott.net/article/440031-Scottish-friend-of-Israel-faked-anti-Semitism-for-years

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/scottish-friend-israel-faked-anti-semitism-years

    Another dumb f**k enemy to Humanity.
    Like bedbugs, these pests are everywhere: in the light, in the dark.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  138. ‘Biden set to accept nomination in convention-closing address.’

    For laughs, someone rig the teleprompter.

  139. @anon

    ‘An Israeli settler deliberately ran over a flock of sheep owned by a Palestinian shepherd near Hebron City in the occupied West Bank. Dozens were killed.’

    They were terror sheep. Hey: there were ‘terror kindergartens’. Why not ‘terror sheep’?

  140. Art says:

    Does anyone have any background on this story? Is it for real?

    Investigative reporter Millie Weaver and her husband have reportedly been arrested at the same time her documentary on the US “shadow government” was being screened on YouTube, sending Conservative Twitter into theory overdrive.

    https://www.sott.net/article/439859-Journalist-Millie-Weaver-Arrested-Charged-With-Burglary-Just-as-She-Releases-ShadowGate-Documentary-Exposing-Deep-State-Activities-UPDATE

    • Replies: @anon
  141. My correspondence with Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute, funded by George Soros
    Here is the article he sent me followed by my response.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/159010/trump-israel-iran-mideast-forever-war?mc_cid=6b46a5b180&mc_eid=9b1b460b9d

    Hi Trita,

    [MORE]
    You can write for days about this alignment and that alignment, and who is fighting whom in the ME all day long. It is a game of musical chairs. No one can keep it straight, especially Turkey and the Kurds.

    There is another side to this dilemma which unlike your mish mash is as clear as a bell. You may not like or agree with it, but it is clear and concise and more and more people are signing on to the concept which goes like this:

    The Palestinian quest for independence was a fig leaf for the overall desire of Islam to get rid of Jewish hegemony in the region. The conflict is religious and about not Palestinian statehood, independence or land. The years and years of Oslo, the Road map et al. proved that the more the Israelis signed on to peace the further away it seemed. Like the Palestinians were playing the peace game to see how much they could get until the right of return changed the population from majority Jewish to majority Islamic. and presto a one state Muslim Palestine. Islam in control. The left leaning Israelis were all on board with the peace process until Gaza and Hamas. After Gaza and Hamas most Israelis were done with negotiating with the Palestinians for a two state solution.
    The most stalwart anti Zionist are the Shia Iranians who say right out that Israel must be defeated as matter of religious dogma. Islam will never let the Jews to control Al Quds. Never
    So there you have it. The rest is gibberish.

    Also you have one failed state after another over there. The Islamic countries are just not progressing economically and their populations that used to coalesce around the liberation of Palestine and the defeat of Israel, which if anyone has half a brain realizes is never going to happen. The Palestinians are losers. Losers do not dictate terms unless you have the world at your beck and call, which the Palestinians did briefly have. The world is in a different mode and has largely abandoned the Palestinians. Proof of the change by the defeat of British Labor Party (more of a demolition then a defeat). Brits do not give a rats ass about the Palestinians, and with the eventual brake up of the EU, neither does the rest of Europe. To but it succinctly Europeans are worried about Europe and each individual countries nationalism.

    You also have the Hezbollah who Lebanon (becoming another failed state) is turning on.

    So what is a Suni Muslim country left to do? DUH!! Make peace with Israel. Israel is like the Silicon Valley of the ME. China and other countries are clamoring for Israeli technology and desalination plants. What would you do if you were an Arab leader? Hmm lets stick with the hopeless Palestinian cause or sign on with peace with Israel? Not a very hard decision. Peace with Israel means shared everything. Economics, technology and tourism. And believe me none of the Arab people hate the Jews and vice versa. Everyone wants to thrive and live a decent life. Signing on with Israel is the best way to go, and Israel will be generous towards acceptance and will work hard to help the entire region thrive. it is in everyones interest.

    So where does that leave the Shia resistance to Israel and all of the proxy wars in Syria, Lebanon and Hamas. Well think Qasem Soleimani Dead!! Gosh Trita it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Islamic Jihadist “get rid of the Jews” hey day has come and gone. Poor Iran.

    Turn the page, a new era is upon us. I am sorry for the Palestinians but they made their own bed, with stupid leaders who reaped millions and billions of dollars for the cottage industry that was the “peace process” delivering nothing absolutely nothing, but lining their own pockets. Some kind of federation will eventually be worked out with Jordan for Palestinian nationalism.

    I know it is hard for you do to but think logically about what is the best end game for everyone. The Palestinians or peace with Israel? Enjoy Soros and your foundation while it lasts.

    Your thoughts are always welcome.

    Fran

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  142. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Maybe some info here. Sound not available.

    Millie Weaver UPDATE – Political Prosecution or Par for the Course? Viva Frei Vlawg
    Aug 20, 2020

    • Thanks: Art
  143. @Fran Taubman

    ‘My correspondence with Trita Parsi of the Quincy Institute, funded by George Soros…’

    There must be better things to do than read a conversation between a known liar and a probable liar — presumably lying to each other.

    I think I’ll go plant some Anuenue lettuce. It’s cooled down enough so that it might sprout.

  144. @anon

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/scottish-friend-israel-faked-anti-semitism-years

    This is far from the first time Israeli and pro-Israeli groups have fabricated anti-Semitism.

    Naaah.

    Ya think?

  145. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Frannie – you have all the answers – fix this girl. How many were alumni of the most moral army on the planet? (Bebe shocked shocked!)

    16-year-old girl allegedly gang-raped by 30 men in Israel hotel

    A teenage girl was allegedly gang-raped by dozens of men at a hotel in Israel — in an attack the country’s Prime Minister called a “crime against humanity.”

    Two suspects have been arrested so far in connection to the filmed sexual assault of the intoxicated 16-year-old at a resort in the coastal town of Eilat, according to the Times of Israel. Police said additional arrests were expected.

    “This is shocking, there is no other word. This is not only a crime against the girl, this is a crime against humanity itself that is worthy of all condemnation,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu tweeted on Thursday. He called for the men to be “brought to justice”.

    https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/nypost.com/2020/08/20/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-by-30-men-in-israel-hotel/amp/

  146. @Art

    And even more disturbingly …

    Nine out of 10 rape cases in Israel are closed by prosecutors without charge,

    … according to an annual survey released last year, which also found a significant increase in reports of sexual assault and harassment to authorities.

    “The report by the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel found that in 2018 police opened 6,220 investigations into alleged sex crimes and harassment, including 1,166 of suspected rape, marking a 12% increase as compared to the previous year and a 40% spike from 2013.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/9-out-of-10-rape-cases-in-israel-closed-without-charges-study/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  147. @Art

    ’16-year-old girl allegedly gang-raped by 30 men in Israel hotel’

    Israel has very high sexual abuse rates.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  148. JackOH says:

    Suggestion for an article: “How Unz Review Readers Can Transform Themselves into a Powerful Political Faction that Wins America Back”. Maybe written by someone with practical political experience.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  149. @Talha

    As-salaamu ‘alaikum!

    May ALLAH keep us ever close to Him and may this message find us in His good company.

    For as beneficial a source of information and correspondence this venue may be, it also remains vulnerable to parties who exploit its broadly tolerant platform as a means by which to undermine the greater purposes for which it may be used. Invariably, there will be white noise that cannot be entirely squelched. Ignore filters will mitigate its effect, but mixed-bag commenters, anonymous handle circumvention, and an increasing quantity of new posters will also make it impossible to maintain an entirely static-free environment. Such is the nature of the forum.

    [MORE]

    I still remember when Aaron was endorsing you. Not long ago, I happened to return to some of those old threads, which are really quite moving, ma sha ALLAH. Sad that it turned out as it has, but here we are, dealing with a megalomaniac whose “dominance” consists of clichéd slander about the domestic life of Muslims and advocacy for their mass extermination.

    So I completely understand why you filter the guy. I’ve considered the same. I had both Franniette Tubman and OneToothRhea screened out for awhile, but ultimately lifted the filter when determining that their content could, on occasion, serve as a means to expose the mendacity of hasbara.

    Aaron falls into the same category, though I have to say that he’s not so bad when not posturing about Israel, Islam or Muslims per se. When, as in this thread, he’s speaking falsely about Palestine, I might engage him just enough to lay his propaganda bare. I also might just kick back and see what he has to say. That thread to which you linked is a gold mine of revealing comments.

    Filtering Aaron would deprive us of that, as well as the occasional opportunity to use him in order to set the record straight.

    I’m not trying to change your mind, by the way. I’m simply presenting an alternative view.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @anon
  150. @Patagonia Man

    Sorry it took so long to get back to you Art, I was enjoying beating and starving the Palestinian children in my basement.
    So what is your point? You are such an empty suit with these accusations. I think the Hindu gangs lead the world in raping teenage women.
    No doubt Art, there are awful Jews, even evil Jews. To no ones surprise there are evil, cruel and awful people everywhere, Jews and non Jews.
    Did you know that? Yet you continue to post a horror story about a Palestinian or a rape. What is the point? Chicago has a lot of evil and murder going on. Do you look at the news?
    Life in Israel for Jews and Arabs is better in Israel then any other country in the ME, with laws to protect individuals. Jews and non Jews. You must be dull not to understand that.
    I hope they catch the perpetrators of this crime and that individual is punished to the full extent of the law.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Patagonia Man
  151. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    It goes right to the top – Moshe Katsav for example.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  152. @Wielgus

    ‘It goes right to the top – Moshe Katsav for example.’

    It’s really very ironic. The modern state of Israel is the most devastating indictment of Jewry ever formulated.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Art
  153. On a more depressing note…

    Biden seems to have proved still capable of delivering a set-piece speech. This raises the horrifying possibility that his handlers and the media may be able to shield him from scrutiny for the next ten weeks, shepherd him through to early November, and win the election.

  154. @JackOH

    ‘… Maybe written by someone with practical political experience.’

    If they had practical political experience, the title might be ‘ “How Unz Review Readers Can Transform Themselves into a Powerful Political Faction that Tries to win America Back but Fails.”

    After all, quite a few people have tried over the years — each from his own perspective, of course. Barry Goldwater, George Wallace, Pat Buchanan, Ross Perot, Mike Huckabee, Tulsi Gabbard, and Bernie Sanders all come to mind.

    The machine always — or almost always — wins. It’s depressing, but there it is.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  155. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    The modern state of Israel is the most devastating indictment of Jewry ever formulated.

    Exactly – there is a palpable darkness in the Jew psyche – that is self-evident in Israeli actions. It is run-of-the-mill in Israel, that daily there is an exceptionally cruel action taken against the Palestinian people. There is no disputing this cruelty. It is always explained away with false claims of Jew victimhood.

    Those in far of lands, who enable these inhuman Israeli acts, are culpable in the malevolence.

    It is clear, that the enablers Fran and Aaron want this malice and evil to expand.

  156. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No doubt Art, there are awful Jews, even evil Jews. To no ones surprise there are evil, cruel and awful people everywhere, Jews and non Jews.

    Sorry Fran — 30 guys is beyond awful — this was not a third world war crime. It was a 30 chain rape of a sixteen year old on a Sunday afternoon in a so called Western nation. There is something wrong with the Jew male mind.

    Hmm — are you a Jew, before you are woman? How can you make excuses? Nine out of ten reported rapes are not prosecuted in Israel. Looks like you Jew women are just one small step above the Palestinians in Israel’s sick male dominated hierarchy.

  157. @Art

    ‘… Hmm — are you a Jew, before you are woman?’

    In passing, she probably is. Feminist bumph notwithstanding, women generally identify with their ethnicity, class, etc long before they identify with their gender.

    I remember one writer commenting on the sheer absurdity of ‘herstory’ as applied to the Middle Ages. The notion that a noblewoman would identify with a female peasant before she would identify with her brothers and husband just had to be stated for its improbability to become apparent.

    Fran is a Jew long before she is a woman — but the point is, it wouldn’t be just Jews who are like that.

    We all are.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Corvinus
  158. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    Fran is a Jew long before she is a woman — but the point is, it wouldn’t be just Jews who are like that.

    We all are.

    Hmm — very interesting.

    I disagree 100% – personally I identify as a man before everything else.

  159. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “women generally identify with their ethnicity, class, etc long before they identify with their gender.”

    ONLY if they explicitly say they do. Otherwise, you are speculating.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  160. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “A profile of one of Biden’s handlers.”

    LOL. OK, let us assume that he ought to register as as foreign agent. I would surmise then, for you to be consistent in your thought process, that you would also support Trump’s various handlers–past and present–to engage in a similar action.

    I mean, after all, you are concerned with meddling in the American political system by outside forces. That is your implication here, right? Or are you just going to be a hypocrite?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  161. @Art

    ‘Hmm — very interesting.

    ‘I disagree 100% – personally I identify as a man before everything else.’

    You’re in the jungle. You need a ride. Two cars stop. One is driven by a white woman — well past the age of being sexually attractive. The other is driven by a black man of about the same age.

    Which car do you get in?

    • Replies: @Art
  162. @Corvinus

    ‘LOL. OK, let us assume that he ought to register as as foreign agent. I would surmise then, for you to be consistent in your thought process, that you would also support Trump’s various handlers–past and present–to engage in a similar action…’

    Actually, I would support Trump’s various Zionist handlers being similarly exposed. You may be making some assumptions about my attitudes that are not accurate.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  163. @Art

    I disagree 100% – personally I identify as a man before everything else.

    That is because you are hopelessly binary in your thought process. You lack any ability to see the human complexities in everyone. You also lack any ability for rational introspection to evaluate your ideas against others that think differently then you, like maybe you are not correct. Most peoples intellect has the ability to see opposing ideas as possibly having merit. You do not have that ability. to to reason. I don’t mean to be personal or negative Art, but after observing your post for a long time I have come to the conclusion that you are dumber then a door post. That is why I mostly ignore you. Your Jew hatred is just to childish and stupid to respond to.

    • Replies: @Art
  164. @Corvinus

    ‘… ONLY if they explicitly say they do. Otherwise, you are speculating.’

    No, I am living on the Planet Earth, and just as I can reasonably assume a given person has ten toes, I can predict what their most probable response will be to certain basic stimuli.

    You’re in bed. You wake up — and there’s a rattlesnake lying in the bed with you.

    I’ll bet you get excited. If you insist, you may label that ‘speculation.’

    No one here is going to dutifully fall in line for all your tedious ideological orthodoxies. For one thing, we’re living in an ideologically bankrupt civilization. Few of them are true.

    You might as well be preaching the efficacy of sacrificing virgins when it comes to placating the volcano god. That’s how seriously anyone is going to take your pieties from here on out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  165. anon[351] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Who is OneToothRhea?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  166. @Art

    Art, our Franny suffers from Stockholm Syndrome. The sad part about it is she isn’t even aware of it.

    Cheers!

  167. @Fran Taubman

    Hi Fran,

    Although you addressed your reply to me but were answering Art, I’ll just leave this here for your perusal when you’re through with beating and starving Palestinian kiddies in your basement.

    Blessings.

    • Thanks: Art
  168. @anon

    ‘Who is OneToothRhea?’

    He’s that 123…something.

  169. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So Frannie — of course Colon is right — even with my meager intellect, I can see that you identify, as a Jew, not as a woman. You simply do not have the base humanity and empathy of a normal good woman.

    Hmm — do you identify first as a human, or as a Jew? (I know dumb question.)

    I think that the Jew culture has a very powerful system of indoctrinating their children – by the age of five or six, Jew children have abandon their base natural humanity, in favor of tribal paranoia.

    Poor Frannie – her mental life can be summed up in one word – paranoia.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  170. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re in the jungle. You need a ride. Two cars stop. One is driven by a white woman — well past the age of being sexually attractive. The other is driven by a black man of about the same age.

    Which car do you get in?

    If the non-threatening old black man was a fisherman – I would go with him – we could have a good time swapping fish stories. Fishing is a bond that superceeds skin.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  171. JackOH says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ever the optimist, eh, buddy? (LOL.)

    Have you not noticed that Ron Unz may have single-handedly sparked the most recent challenge to our government’s anti-White affirmative action policies by showing those racist slob policies also unfairly hurt Asian-Americans, people who have no record of slave-owning or being enslaved in the States. I thought his analysis was a nicely reasoned and psychologically acute piece of work. Ron may be quixotic and cranky, but he does have practical political experience in a very populous state.

  172. @anon

    It’s A123, Israel’s water boy at UR.

    Fortunately, his buckets are ridden with holes, so it’s usually unnecessary to deal with him unless one feels so inclined to politely point this out.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  173. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Actually, I would support Trump’s various Zionist handlers being similarly exposed.”

    Including those in the Mueller report and the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee findings?

    “You may be making some assumptions about my attitudes that are not accurate.”

    Fair enough. Perhaps you should return the favor?

  174. @AnonStarter

    Fortunately, his buckets are ridden with holes, so it’s usually unnecessary to deal with him unless one feels so inclined to politely point this out.

    You say that about everyone that doesn’t see it your way. We are all just little duckies ready to be blown out of the water by the mighty AS.
    When the going gets tough. The tough go to ignore mode
    I prefer a conversant that engages on all subjects including difficult ones. It’s fun watching you play games with someone like A123 who is all facts and no
    emotion, pretending to be cool 😎. With Talha it’s all Akih Wa Salam Akih. Like a child. You are a silly one.

  175. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “I can predict what their most probable response will be to certain basic stimuli.”

    Weaselly statement alert. You are making an assumption based on what you think how women identify themselves. It may or may not be accurate, but you coming across as if you know with relative certainty. Again, that is speculation on your part.

    “For one thing, we’re living in an ideologically bankrupt civilization. ”

    Which is your personal opinion.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  176. David Wolffsohn, the man who succeeded Theodor Herzl as President of the World Zionist Organization, quoted Max Nordau (co-founder of the WZO) in saying, “You will ruin Herzl’s name if you publish his diaries. Whoever reads them is bound to believe that he was a fool and a swindler.” We know this because the evidence is readily verifiable in Israel’s Central Zionist Archives, an entry from Wolffsohn’s diary that was published posthumously.

    Now what could Wolffsohn, channeling Nordau, have been writing about? Why was he so convinced that Herzl’s name would be ruined by publishing his diaries?

    Answering that question requires further evidence (which is available in Rabbi Simons’ text). However, given the position of Wolffsohn and Nordau in relation to Herzl, the statement, of itself, is enough to prove that something in Herzl’s diaries revealed a major chasm between Herzl’s public and private personae.

    Incidentally, Simons is a dyed-in-the-wool zionist, yet notably distinct from our own resident hasbaraites in that he doesn’t attempt to whitewash historical truth concerning modern zionists’ intent to expel Palestinians from their native land.

  177. @Art

    ‘If the non-threatening old black man was a fisherman – I would go with him – we could have a good time swapping fish stories. Fishing is a bond that superceeds skin.’

    Reminds me. Fishing is one of the truly inter-racial activities. About all I can say is that I’ve never seen a black fly fishing.

  178. @Corvinus

    ‘“For one thing, we’re living in an ideologically bankrupt civilization. ”

    Which is your personal opinion.’

    I’d say it’s pretty objectively obvious. When people are rioting about events that clearly didn’t happen, shutting down all economic activity on account of a trivial virus, ceasing to have children, having themselves castrated, etc there’s something definitely wrong with the ruling ideology. It’s not an opinion.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  179. @Art

    If only it was a meager intellect!! There is no intellect involved with your brain whatsoever. Zero.You are a binary reptile. Jews bad. Jewish women bad, Palestinian women good. Jewish men rape. Non Jewish men good. Get the idea of how the non intellect reptilian brain responds.

  180. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “I’d say it’s pretty objectively obvious.”

    Nope. You are being subjective here.

    “When people are rioting about events that clearly didn’t happen…”

    If you choose to be an ostrich, I’m not going to stop you.

    “shutting down all economic activity on account of a trivial virus”

    The word is contagious.

    “ceasing to have children”

    Of course white women are having children, just not enough to suit your personal taste.

    “having themselves castrated”

    “there’s something definitely wrong with the ruling ideology. It’s not an opinion.”

    Of course it’s an opinion…yours!

  181. From the Foundation for Middle East Peace:

    Lawfare: Targeting US Academia – Tracking the Cases

    When President Donald Trump signed his executive order on antisemitism back on December 11, 2019, some of us warned the real target was campus free speech critical of Israel. Complaints filed in the wake of the executive order demonstrate the accuracy of these warnings. To help people track these cases (and the many cases that preceded them in recent years), I’ve created this new resource table, which I will update whenever new information becomes available.

    See also:

    https://fmep.org/resources/?rsearch=&rcat%5B%5D=360

  182. @Colin Wright

    Wanted to address this sooner, but missed the opportunity …

    As I understand it, Al Aqsa was intended as a rebuilding of the Temple.

    It is not Muslims themselves who assert this, but rather, an inference made by examination of Jewish eschatology. In the Midrash Rabbah, and in the work of scholars such as Saadia ben Joseph, Rashi, and ibn Ezra, we find Song of Songs interpreted as an allegory depicting the vicissitudes of Israel and its relation with God from the Exodus until the coming of the Messiah and the reconstruction of the Third Temple.

    Jews, not Muslims, are most capable of understanding the history of al Aqsa this way, as they possess the texts necessary to draw this conclusion. Whether they will do so or not remains a live question.

    Another matter …

    The uproar came when it transpired that the Jews intended not just to collect rent, but to drive the Muslims and Christians off the land entirely. That was a first.

    In War over Peace: One Hundred Years of Israel’s Militaristic Nationalism, Uri Ben-Eliezer provides historical detail about the acrimonious disposition that immigrants of the Second Aliyah adopted toward the indigenous Arabs of Palestine:

    [MORE]

    The newcomers faced difficulties finding employment after they arrived in the country. The Jewish farmers, who had immigrated to Palestine around the turn of the century and established agricultural settlements, employed Arab laborers as farmhands and guards. The Zionist laborers resented this, and slogans such as “The conquest of labor” and “Conquer the guard” (from the Arabs) reflected their ethno-national orientation. One of the leaders of Hapoel Hatzair declared, “A nation that hands over its most basic labor of production to others will never be revived. One cannot build a homeland through the labor of others. … An essential condition for Zionist fulfillment is that all the labor vocations in the country must be conquered by Jews” (Shapira, 1967: 13–14). From the outset, socialist Zionists adopted a “zero-sum game” view of reality. As the spiritual leader of Hapoel Hatzair, A.D. Gordon, declared, “Are the Arabs the ‘masters of the land?’ … We will find that the Arabs have only a historical right to the land, just like us—except that our historical right is undoubtedly the greater” (Gordon, 1953: 244–45).

    What’s interesting is that Hapoel Hatzair (Young Worker) was the more moderate of the two parties that Second Aliyah immigrants had formed. Poalei Zion (Workers of Zion) was the party whose ideology held greater sway over the Hashomer, the “first substantial Jewish military organization formed in the Yishuv (the pre-state Zionist-Jewish community).”

    About Hashomer, Ben-Eliezer writes

    The organization’s immediate goal was to replace Arab guards with Jews, but its underlying objective was far more ambitious. Hashomer promoted the image of the New Jew: strong, healthy of body and mind, and muscular—the diametric opposite of the weak, dependent Jew of exile. Moreover, its members were the first Zionists to develop the theory of conquering the land by force. The organization’s founding meeting discussed the need to liberate the people and the homeland and to establish a Jewish state. The meeting was held under the slogan “In blood and fire Judah fell, in blood and fire Judah will rise.” The poem from which these words were taken also includes the words: “We have arisen and returned invigorated youths … [t]o redeem our oppressed land! We demand our heritage with a mighty hand!”?[5]

    … and …

    During a visit to Palestine in 1911, the writer and literary critic David Frishman had no doubts about the character of Hashomer: “Rather than guarding themselves, they provoke others. Their main concern is that others should know that the people that lives here is tough and rash, so that they will always be afraid.” He warned that the day was coming when their Arab neighbors “will finally awake and unite, and suddenly recognize that they have strength and might; and then they will take their revenge.”[7]

    Quoting Ben-Eliezer once more:

    … [T]he story of Hashomer illustrates the emergence of a new approach whose adherents did not seek to live in Palestine alongside the Arabs but to dominate them through armed might. In this sense, Hashomer represented an early manifestation of Israeli militaristic nationalism.

    I realize you’ve probably got your own source material — in which I myself am interested — but I always enjoy fleshing these details out more thoroughly, particularly when it so decisively crushes hasbara underfoot.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Fran Taubman
  183. @AnonStarter

    One more note …

    Ben-Eliezer isn’t entirely accurate in saying that the Hashomer were “the first Zionists to develop the theory of conquering the land by force,” though it would be correct to say that they were the first group of zionists to implement that theory on the ground.

  184. @AnonStarter

    As

    You ought to try stand up. You crack me up with you liturgy scams presented with such sincerity. Furthermore looking back on who did what to settle Israel and witch Zionist were colonizers by force does nothing and will do nothing to change the future for the Palestinians. They are losers. Picking apart history for a morsels is like the crying over BDS opponents playing unfair. The Palestinian issue is over.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  185. 4118953

    It is not Muslims themselves who assert this, but rather, an inference made by examination of Jewish eschatology. In the Midrash Rabbah, and in the work of scholars such as Saadia ben Joseph, Rashi, and ibn Ezra, we find Song of Songs interpreted as an allegory depicting the vicissitudes of Israel and its relation with God from the Exodus until the coming of the Messiah and the reconstruction of the Third Temple.

    Jews, not Muslims, are most capable of understanding the history of al Aqsa this way, as they possess the texts necessary to draw this conclusion. Whether they will do so or not remains a live question.

    this is the part I left out of my last post. The response was directed at this. On my phone. I dunno editing is not working.

  186. 4118953

    ‘…but I always enjoy fleshing these details out more thoroughly, particularly when it so decisively crushes hasbara underfoot.’

    Having somewhat unintentionally knocked off the entire bottle of Illahee 2019 Viognier (which I definitely recommend at this point, but…) I shan’t attempt to give your post the attention it deserves, but…

    (1) ‘crushing Zionism underfoot’ is a bit like demonstrating that sexually molesting infants is wrong. It’s not too hard. However, somewhat incredibly, it still has to be done, so soldier on — as will I.

    (2) What I’ve read is that when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, they took care to consult Jewish authorities about the precise location of the Temple. To me, that implies that al Aqsa was intended to be the Temple rebuilt — and the Muslims saw themselves as God’s Chosen People, once again incarnate. The point here is that what Jews in general and Zionists in particular fail to realize is that Muslims (and Christians) see themselves, not Jews, as the Chosen People. Once that’s grasped, any religiously-based claim to a monopoly on Palestine becomes objectively nonsensical: Christians, Jews, and Muslims can all claim it, on precisely the same grounds. We can all agree Buddhists have no right to the place, but past that, the discussion becomes fruitless.

    …which takes us back to (1). Since religion is of no use in settling the question, ordinary common sense and an interest in avoiding unnecessary misery says that Palestine should be left in the hands of the people who happened to be living in it: to wit, the Palestinians. They could all decide to become Christians, or even plump for Judaism: the rest of us would just have to suck it. By the only available objective criterion, Palestine would still be theirs.

    As so often. the truth really isn’t very complicated. It’s lies that get complicated.

  187. @Colin Wright

    You need another bottle of wine for that BS to make sense. I always say the Colin the most clueless UR commentator.

  188. @Colin Wright

    Illahee

    Is that the maker?

    The term ilahi — which appears phonetically similar — translates as “my lord” in Arabic. Do they make mead?

    I shan’t attempt to give your post the attention it deserves, but…

    I prefer to wait until you’ve determined whether or not your response was sufficient or you’d like to add something more to it. I wouldn’t want to be hasty in my own reply.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  189. @jamie b.

    BBC?

    You know the BBC is known as the British Bullshitting Corporation, right?

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @jamie b.
  190. @AnonStarter

    The term ilahi — which appears phonetically similar — translates as “my lord” in Arabic.

    Alternatively, the transliteration of “illahee” — if the double “l” reflects the shadda — could mean “except her.”

    Perhaps an unconscious desire to exclude a certain third party from our midst?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  191. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Palestinian issue is over.

    Clearly that is a lie.

    This is 2020 – apartheid is unacceptable – Israel is hated – the tide is turning against the Jew in the US – the fear of Jew retribution is starting to wain – the coercion of Jew money is obvious.

    The duped are becoming un-duped. The one-sided Jew war against Western values is about to be engaged for the first time by the majority. The JQ grows.

    The Zionist Jew has shot his wad – and he missed.

    p.s. Jew neocon Trump/Biden are pushing the ME into China’s hands. Israel/US are becoming isolated. The Jew dollar is the enemy of the good.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  192. What’s this? Have relations between the newlyweds soured so soon? Even before the honeymoon?

    UAE said to scrap meet with Israel, US envoys after Netanyahu panned F-35 deal

    Emiratis also reportedly plan to refrain from additional high-level meetings with Jerusalem until prime minister clarifies position on prospective US arms agreement

    Oh, well. I’m sure all of this will blow over and a miracle contagion infecting Arabs and Jews with involuntary spasms of peace will soon spread far and wide from the heart of Ness Ziona —

    Or else.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  193. @AnonStarter

    ‘The term ilahi — which appears phonetically similar — translates as “my lord” in Arabic.

    ‘Alternatively, the transliteration of “illahee” — if the double “l” reflects the shadda — could mean “except her.”

    Perhaps an unconscious desire to exclude a certain third party from our midst?’

    Dunno ’bouts dat kind o’ stuff.

    However, I did mispell ‘Illahe’ — just one ‘e.’ I assumed it was an Indian name, but anything’s possible. Good wine…gonna see if I can get a deal on a case.

    https://www.illahevineyards.com/

    Otherwise, rereading your post in the cold light of sobriety, I still agree with what you say and, in fact, find it quite illuminating.

  194. @AnonStarter

    ‘What’s this? Have relations between the newlyweds soured so soon? Even before the honeymoon?

    UAE said to scrap meet with Israel, US envoys after Netanyahu panned F-35 deal

    Emiratis also reportedly plan to refrain from additional high-level meetings with Jerusalem until prime minister clarifies position on prospective US arms agreement…’

    This does shed some light on matters.

    Israel is in a bit of a quandary. If she’s to have friends, she has to trust them enough to permit the US to arm them — but if the US arms them, then her total military supremacy might be jeopardized.

    Will Israel ever have friends she can trust? Stay tuned…

    • Replies: @Art
  195. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    Oh, well. I’m sure all of this will blow over and a miracle contagion infecting Arabs and Jews with involuntary spasms of peace will soon spread far and wide from the heart of Ness Ziona —

    Or else.

    Follow the money. Arab oil money is safe (or not) in Jew central banks.

    Big Arab oil money has never contested Israel. Little Arabs and Palestinians be dammed.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  196. @Art

    what have you been smoking? The only hope is peace with the Jews and Israel in the ME. It is all done in secret now, soon to be revealed. The Arabs need Israeli technology. Wake up and smell the coffee Art, people want to live in peace. Hating on the Jews is a child’s game. Oh the Jews are so bad!!

    Trump will win in a landslide and he is a super Jew and Zionist. Good luck Art.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  197. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… They are losers. Picking apart history for a morsels is like the crying over BDS opponents playing unfair. The Palestinian issue is over.’

    Something like the Holocaust then? All those Jews were losers? Boo-hoo?

    The issue is over. Have I got it right?

  198. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    Will Israel ever have friends she can trust?

    Israeli friends is an oxymoron.

    Can a Jew be friends with an “inferior?”

    The answer is NO! It is written – look at the Talmud and Torah.

  199. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Trump will win in a landslide and he is a super Jew and Zionist. Good luck Art.’

    Fran…I’m for Trump. Think about it.

    Well, okay: that’s improbable — but you get my point.

  200. @Colin Wright

    Okay. I’ll assume you spoke your piece yesterday.

    (1) ‘crushing Zionism underfoot’ is a bit like demonstrating that sexually molesting infants is wrong. It’s not too hard. However, somewhat incredibly, it still has to be done, so soldier on — as will I.

    For us, it’s like that, though I don’t assume too much about the audience here. Most of them are wise to it, though there’s a learning curve we can’t take for granted. It’s safe to say most people aren’t at your grade yet.

    To me, that implies that al Aqsa was intended to be the Temple rebuilt — and the Muslims saw themselves as God’s Chosen People, once again incarnate.

    I don’t see evidence that ‘Umar considered his establishment of a mosque in the al-Aqsa precinct as a “rebuilding” of the Temple. The location of al-Aqsa was the first stop on the Prophet’s Night Journey, where he led a congregation of prophets in prayer before ascending the heavens to reach close proximity to God Himself. Yes, we hold that Islam as manifest by the Prophet and his companions fulfilled Jewish prophecy. One might consider the establishment of the al-Aqsa complex part and parcel of that fulfillment, though saying that “al Aqsa was intended to be the Temple rebuilt” is misleading, suggesting restoration of a Judaic house of worship while Islam defenestrates familial/tribal assimilation as a requirement for belonging.

    I suppose that, like Fran, we could look upon this phenomenon of mutually competing claims as irreconcilable but by dint of “blood and fire,” as extremists of every variety do. I would humbly suggest, however, that a solution does lie within the treasury of our respective traditions if we are so willing to agree upon mutually beneficial terms of interest. As tough a row to hoe as this may seem, the alternative is to disregard religion as a means of reconciliation in a region where it is all but impossible to disregard it as a primary societal influence.

    I do not claim to have any simple answers here. I greatly appreciate suggestions such as Talha’s, which provide shared access to the precincts in a manner intended to engender comity and respect for all faith communities claiming a heritage therein. It is my conviction that failure to arrive at anything other than a zero-sum resolution will only perpetuate the conflict for the foreseeable future.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  201. …and victory may be in sight.

    In the last two days I’ve been in five stores: three of them chains and two of them national ones.

    All were still festooned with the usual mask orders, but no one was enforcing them. I’ve been going around mask-free for at least two days now — maybe longer.

  202. @AnonStarter

    ‘…I don’t see evidence that ‘Umar considered his establishment of a mosque in the al-Aqsa precinct as a “rebuilding” of the Temple. The location of al-Aqsa was the first stop on the Prophet’s Night Journey, where he led a congregation of prophets in prayer before ascending the heavens to reach close proximity to God Himself. Yes, we hold that Islam as manifest by the Prophet and his companions fulfilled Jewish prophecy. One might consider the establishment of the al-Aqsa complex part and parcel of that fulfillment, though saying that “al Aqsa was intended to be the Temple rebuilt” is misleading, suggesting restoration of a Judaic house of worship while Islam defenestrates familial/tribal assimilation as a requirement for belonging.’

    On the other hand, that the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem took great care to situate al Aqsa precisely where the Temple had been does suggest that it was indeed intended to be ‘the Temple rebuilt’ in some sense, however you may wish to circumscribe the implications of that.

    ‘I suppose that, like Fran, we could look upon this phenomenon of mutually competing claims as irreconcilable but by dint of “blood and fire,” as extremists of every variety do. I would humbly suggest, however, that a solution does lie within the treasury of our respective traditions if we are so willing to agree upon mutually beneficial terms of interest. As tough a row to hoe as this may seem, the alternative is to disregard religion as a means of reconciliation in a region where it is all but impossible to disregard it as a primary societal influence.’

    I’m not sure they are reconcilable — but that’s not the end. Religions and sects have managed to reach compromises before. Frederick II recovered Jerusalem — on condition that it remain unfortified. Catholics and Protestants manage to coexist in Germany — and did so even back when religion was of importance to most people. The United States manages to remain tolerant even in combination with a great deal of religious fervor. There was even one king of Spain who described his realm as ‘the Kingdom of the Three Religions.’

    And of course there’s been the fairly consistent willingness of Islam to tolerate Judaism and Christianity — so long as they know their place. The Ottoman Empire existed as a poly-religious state for at least six hundred years — it was actually nationalism that killed it rather than religion.

    None of these solutions have been ideal — but they’ve often worked. Indeed, if the EU can be seen as a viable response to multiple national identities, surely the equivalent would be possible with religious identities.

    …or, we can just slug it out. Fran wants to go with ‘to the victors go the spoils.’

    She may get her wish.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Art
  203. @Colin Wright

    On the other hand, that the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem took great care to situate al Aqsa precisely where the Temple had been does suggest that it was indeed intended to be ‘the Temple rebuilt’ in some sense, however you may wish to circumscribe the implications of that.

    The phraseology is particularly pertinent to the learned among People of the Book, for whom prophecies about Islam must have been familiar. Yes, Islam lies along a continuum, though one in which periodic, epoch delineating milestones signaled a quantum shift in perspective. The Qibla’s reorientation from Jerusalem to Mecca was indicative of this.

    End times’ prophecies also herald such a shift. Given the proliferation of specific, unambiguous signs — which are not subject to interpretation — otherwise operative imperatives are subordinated to alternate instruction. As such, “Be the better son of Adam,” which appears peculiar when considering the more renowned aspects of our criteria, becomes entirely sensible when evaluated in the light of current circumstances.

    I’m not sure they are reconcilable — but that’s not the end.

    The religions themselves are not reconcilable. As you have so poignantly illustrated, their adherents’ conflict is.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  204. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    …or, we can just slug it out. Fran wants to go with ‘to the victors go the spoils.’

    It’s not over till the fat lady sings.

    China is coming on the scene — the US is fading.

    Problem — Israel is not through being greedy and Zionist – it has more to conquer. Currently, it will not declare borders.

    A genuine world hate for Israel is growing – the rational Jew Question is growing in the US.

    p.s. Personally I am all for a real honest peace between Palestine and Israel – one that defines Israel and that compensates the Palestinian people.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  205. @Art

    ‘p.s. Personally I am all for a real honest peace between Palestine and Israel – one that defines Israel and that compensates the Palestinian people.’

    I think the solution that will produce peace with the least misery is to insist Israel become a genuinely egalitarian, democratic, and secular state — and make sure that Jews who aren’t prepared to live in such a state can freely emigrate to the United States or to any other country willing to admit them.

    My prediction is that the Jewish population of Israel will fall rapidly, and at some point, it will rename itself ‘Palestine.’ But I could turn out to be wrong.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  206. @AnonStarter

    ‘…As such, “Be the better son of Adam,” which appears peculiar when considering the more renowned aspects of our criteria, becomes entirely sensible when evaluated in the light of current circumstances…’

    ?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  207. @Colin Wright

    My prediction is that the Jewish population of Israel will fall rapidly, and at some point, it will rename itself ‘Palestine.’ But I could turn out to be wrong.

    Yeah like you said that all the Israelis are booking flights to Kennedy, as soon as the US pulls the plug. Like Israel is a reality show who’s ratings are down. Just like you view about the Jews in Europe showed up at a bus stop one day. (maybe they got a telegram or phone call, no one knows, the conspiracy is not clear on this plot) and put their Jew suits on so they can go colonize Palestine. They weren’t real Jews, isn’t that what you said? No cultural continuity. They just showed up and put their Jew suits on and got their Jew books out and but on their fake Jew on. They were really Kahzars those Ashkenazim right?

    Have you figured out what BS this version is? Followed by your complete lack of understanding of the unbroken chain of command and religious cohesion inside Israel as well as in exile. Israel is not going anywhere, especially not back to NY. My sister in law’s brother and wife just moved to Israel, all of his kids and grand kids are there. You constantly make the Jews out to be cartoon characters. There is a continuity and it has survived and thrived which in itself proves that something major is amongst the aura of Judaism. There is something there that is relevant to the world, whether you like it or not. Jews have defied logic and dramatically have survived against all odds.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  208. @Art

    p.s. Personally I am all for a real honest peace between Palestine and Israel – one that defines Israel and that compensates the Palestinian people.

    No one is making peace with you Art you have a pretty silly view of Jews, no one is showing up at your peace party. Get lost.

    No one is making peace with the Palestinians, until the Muslims come clean about their real goal, which was never about peace and land for the Palestinians, it was about getting the Jews to submit to the Islam. To become subservient. It took a long time for the Jews to see it, but now that the peace process has been shown to be a Trojan Horse for a Juden free Palestine, the left and peace path for two state solution are in the rear view mirror. The Palestinians tried to be the eternal victims of the world, so that the world would turn against the Jews and terrorize them into submission. The EU and UN had a hey day with that plan but ultimately it has failed. It has failed because it is a lie. It has also failed because the world has moved on to other more pressing problems. The Palestinians are a drop in the bucket compared the other problems of the world. The EU is failing, the UN turns in circles. The world health organization is a joke etc.

    The world is tired of the left and the Palestinians. Really tired. They want their governments to protect and help their citizens, not the Palestinians, who were given more then enough support to sort out and solve their problems. It is crystal clear that the Palestinians never wanted to solve their problems. They wanted to defeat the Jews permanently, they want the whole enchilada of Palestine. The Arabs cannot defeat Israel militarily. The Jihad resistance keeps their populations in ruins and poverty. It is a fact. The Jihadist resistance is nothing but a gang of gun toting men who’s only job is defeating Israel. They have not developed their population thru education, technology and tourism.
    The world needs problem solvers and doers, not permanent victims. The Jews show up to help. What are the Jihadist doing?

    • Replies: @Art
  209. @Colin Wright

    It was narrated from Abu Musa Al-Ash’ari that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said:

    Before the Hour comes, there will be tribulation like pieces of black night, when a man will wake up with faith but deny by evening, or he will have faith in the evening but deny by morning. And the one who is sitting will be better than the one who is standing, and the one who is standing will be better than the one who is walking, and the one who is walking will be better than the one who is running. So break your bows, cut their strings and strike your swords against rocks, and if anyone enters upon anyone of you, let him be like the better of the two sons of Adam.

    The reference to “the two sons of Adam” refers to Cain and Abel, the latter of whom did not raise a hand to defend himself against his brother. There are numerous statements of this kind attributed to the Prophet, statements which provide instruction that differs markedly from what we typically perceive as the correct course of action.

    Many shaikhs and imams hold that ours are the end times. While this perspective has been among us for many generations, the signs we currently witness are widespread, simultaneous, and so plain as to be realistically undeniable:

    [MORE]

    Wild animals will be gathered into captivity and kept in collections in pens and cages.
    Murder will be considered a minor act.
    Men will get payment for their reproductive organs.
    Reducing weights and measures of goods will be a means of increasing profits.
    The person earning a proper and lawful livelihood will be scorned and the person earning his living from unfair means will be admired.
    The main purpose in life will be earning and enjoying.
    Aphrodisiacs will be used to strengthen the body for sodomy.
    Usury will gain solid ground.
    Adultery will be commonplace.
    The murder victim will not know why he is murdered and the killer will not know why he killed.
    Mansions like palaces will be constructed.
    Bribery will become like a custom.
    There will be no regard for the ties of relationship.
    Murder will increase.
    Fools will be made rulers.
    Forbearance will be called cowardice and weakness.
    Ministers of government will be liars.
    The practice of divorce will increase.
    A liar will be considered an acceptable witness.
    Homosexuality will be openly practiced.
    Good people will keep silent fearing others’ foul speech.
    Goodness and evil will be viewed from the same perspective.
    Young boys will be used like women on payment.
    Unworthy persons will meddle in affairs of state.
    Men will keep their hair in a ladylike manner.
    The governors will consider the wealth of the people as their own and they will attack the morality of women.
    Governments will stockpile grains to maintain prices.
    Government will be entrusted to those unworthy of it.

    There are more specific ones which have been fulfilled as well. For example:

    The earth will vomit oblong pieces of its liver like columns of gold and silver. The murderer will come and say “I killed for this,” and the deserter will come and say “I deserted my family for this,” and the thief will come and say “My hand has been severed for this.”

    When geological field studies were done and the maps of oil deposits drawn, World War I broke out and divided them up as spoil. It happens that crude oil is first poured into large, open, rectangular settling fields acres in size, which from a distance look like nothing so much as a huge slab of liver.

    In any event, this is all intended merely to provide some understanding of our perspective.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  210. @AnonStarter

    ‘… The reference to “the two sons of Adam” refers to Cain and Abel, the latter of whom did not raise a hand to defend himself against his brother. There are numerous statements of this kind attributed to the Prophet, statements which provide instruction that differs markedly from what we typically perceive as the correct course of action…’

    The parallel to the Christian injunction to ‘turn the other cheek’ is obvious.

    However, I’ll point out being convinced the end times are upon is isn’t exactly a novelty. The early Christians were sure it would happen soon — like, within their lifetimes. The First Crusade owed much to millennial hysteria. Innumberable signs indicated the world was about to end, and it was very important to be in Jerusalem when it happened. Noteworthily, the whole irruption wasn’t so much a military expedition as a popular pilgrimage by some people who just happened to be rather violent.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  211. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Yeah like you said that all the Israelis…’

    You seem to be distinctly unenthusiastic about the prospect of Israel being ‘genuinely egalitarian, democratic, and secular.’

    I take it such safeguards cease to be desirable if it is Jews that are in the driver’s seat.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  212. @Colin Wright

    The parallel to the Christian injunction to ‘turn the other cheek’ is obvious.

    It is my understanding that, in its original tongue, the idiom “turn the other cheek” implied the opposite of what is commonly understood (as in “turn to them the face of wrath”). Nevertheless, what matters is the perception of Christians themselves. I’m reminded of the command in Isaiah to beat swords into ploughshares.

    However, I’ll point out being convinced the end times are upon is isn’t exactly a novelty.

    Yes. This is what I had meant when including the phrase “[w]hile this perspective has been among us for many generations, …”

    A passage from one of my teachers:

    … Jews and Christians are warned to prepare for Armageddon by beating their swords into plowshares, Muslims for The Hour by becoming like the better son of Adam: instead, Jews, Christians and Muslims — many and few — are actively promoting Apocalypse. Avoid Messianic Apocalyptic Dementia, or believing that you (or those of your communion) are uniquely and divinely anointed and appointed to save the world, or a remnant, or to usher in a new world or a new message for the faithful, while this world falls away into the Fire. This all-time favorite tool of deception is today a main event in media circuses and more often fatal.

  213. @Colin Wright

    I am into Israel matching the countries around it. And yes I would not mind if Israel became a theocracy instead of a democracy. It is that important to have a Jewish state. When Jews can move to Saudi Arabia and practice Judaism I will think about Israel becoming egalitarian, democratic and secular. But right now what is the point. You want Israel to be the only state like that, sort of like a death nail. It will become another failed Islamic state run by a king or dictator.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
    , @anon
  214. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I am into Israel matching the countries around it…’

    Sure that’s not setting the bar too high, Fran? Can Jews really match the dizzying heights of, say, Egypt?

  215. What’s this? More trouble atop the peace bubble?

    Bahrain rejects US push to normalise relations with Israel

    Pompeo Push for Sudan-Israel Ties Is Rebuffed

    Just last week, both countries appeared prepared to follow the UAE’s lead.

    My goodness. Could it be that they’re not such good Muslims after all? 🙂

  216. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Here is the undisputed rogue reprobate squatter Jew state.

    Israel soldiers orders Palestinian families to demolish their home

    Israeli occupation forces issued demolition orders to two Palestinian-owned homes in Al-Maniya village located in north-east of Bethlehem, reported Wafa news agency.

    Head of Al-Maniya Village Council, Zeyad Kawazba, told Wafa that Israeli forces stormed the village and handed military orders to demolish two houses, because they were allegedly built without the impossible to obtain construction permits.

    A restrictive planning regime applied by Israeli authorities makes it almost impossible for Palestinians to obtain building permits in what the Oslo Accords labelled as ‘Area C’ of the West Bank, which falls under both Israeli military and administrative control, impeding the development of adequate housing, infrastructure and livelihoods.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20200826-israel-soldiers-orders-palestinian-families-to-demolish-their-home/

  217. EXCLUSIVE: Mohammed bin Salman pulls out of planned meeting in Washington with Netanyahu

    “However the Crown Prince had one condition: that the visit be kept secret until he was in Washington. His advisers told him that if the visit were leaked, the CIA, Congress, journalists, campaigners for Khashoggi and lawyers for Jabri would all have time to launch a massive negative campaign against him and his presence in Washington would become a nightmare.

    “MBS was calculating that if he suddenly appears with Netanyahu the big event would be enough to relaunch his image as a peacemaker,” the source said.

    Meanwhile, back in reality …

    Hostility to the deal in the Gulf has been evident on social media, despite active Emirati and Saudi efforts to control and counter online criticism, with “Normalisation is treason” and “Gulf peoples against normalisation” both trending as hashtags.

  218. jamie b. says:
    @Patagonia Man

    So… you’re saying that the Merriam-Webster definition of ‘racism’ was not changed?

  219. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I am into Israel matching the countries around it.

    The problem, cubicle robot, is Yid is an illegal, alien parasite.

    Yid does not belong except by violence, coercion, lies, bribery, blackmail.

    Even with those five Yid actions/attributes, Yid still does not belong.

    A cult that is empty, soulless, ugly, pointless, worthless.

    Look deeply into a mirror.

    Make sure toilet close.

  220. Art says:

    What the hell — as always, Netanyahu to make US foreign policy. New “friends” be dammed.

    Israel Opposes Any F-35 Sale to UAE Despite Their Warming Ties

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel would oppose any U.S. F-35 warplane sales to the United Arab Emirates despite forging relations with the Gulf power, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday, citing a need to maintain Israeli military superiority in the region.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-08-18/israel-minister-says-policy-on-us-arms-sales-to-uae-unchanged

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  221. @Art

    I think that’s about as clear an indication of what “normalization” means to Israel: Israel assumes the role of master, the remainder, the role of slaves.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Art
  222. @AnonStarter

    ‘JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel would oppose any U.S. F-35 warplane sales to the United Arab Emirates despite forging relations with the Gulf power, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday, citing a need to maintain Israeli military superiority in the region.’

    What’s illuminating is to consider how agreement to this looks from the Arab end: they’re to accept military inferiority in their own region.

    I’m sure that’s just fine with them. They know their place, don’t they?

    The bleakly amusing bit is that these days avionics and electronics are everything; Israel could agree to the Emirates getting ‘F-35’s’ — it wouldn’t necessarily threaten their aerial superiority at all. But they can’t even concede nominal equality to the Arabs.

    …It’s actually kind of a good thing. A wise Israel might actually last a lot longer than the current regime of thugs and fools. They keep helpfully humiliating anyone who is tempted to cooperate with them.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  223. Art says:
    @AnonStarter

    I think that’s about as clear an indication of what “normalization” means to Israel: Israel assumes the role of master, the remainder, the role of slaves.

    Those were UAE surrender terms.

    There are reports that MBS is about to do the same.

  224. @Colin Wright

    …It’s actually kind of a good thing. A wise Israel might actually last a lot longer than the current regime of thugs and fools. They keep helpfully humiliating anyone who is tempted to cooperate with them.

    Absolutely. Gotta love those silver linings.

    On that note, thank God for our resident zionists.

  225. Art says:

    The Joy of Jew Democracy – vote for who will bomb Gaza the most – Ganz or Netanyahu?

    Netanyahu vs Gantz: Gaza Escalation as Reflection of Israel’s Political Rivalry

    Only recently, the Palestinian group, Hamas, and Israel seemed close to reaching a prisoner exchange agreement, where Hamas would release several Israeli soldiers held in Gaza while Israel would set free an unspecified number of Palestinian detainees held in Israeli prisons.

    Instead of the much-anticipated announcement of some kind of a deal, on August 10, Israeli bombs began falling on the besieged Strip and incendiary balloons, originating in Gaza, made their way to the Israeli side of the fence.

    So, what happened?

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2020/08/netanyahu-vs-gantz-gaza-escalation-as-reflection-of-israels-political-rivalry/#more-108323

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  226. @Art

    ‘The Joy of Jew Democracy – vote for who will bomb Gaza the most – Ganz or Netanyahu?’

    And we go on, and on, and on. And on. It hardly stops with Israel. The ADL. Anti-Semitism. Cloying movies about Jews. Books about Jews. The Holocaust. Do you care enough about Jews? How much money should we let Jews take? What about Jews promoting Black Lives Matter, unlimited immigration, ever-more bizarre forms of sexual deviance? The role of Jews in so many revolutions?

    When does it end? How much can one people demand? Lately I’ve been getting sick of how much attention Jews expect — and get.

    There must be about sixteen million Jews in the world. So I was thinking, how much attention do we pay to other peoples whose numbers are more or less the same? Lebanese? There are between thirteen and eighteen million of those. Guatemalans? About nineteen million. Malaysians? My — thirty three million. Do we know about, care about, and pay attention to Malays twice as much as we do to Jews?

    It really gets to be a bit much. I’d love to just ignore Jews — but one can’t. We’ve tried — and look what they’ve gotten up to. I think about reading more books about Jews, about filling in the blank spots in my knowledge about Jews — and then I ask why? Am I this concerned to fill in the blank spots in my knowledge of Lebanese? Of Guatemalans? Of Malays? I’m sure they all have their peculiarities, problems, and tendencies — but I can really get by without knowing. They won’t make it my business.

    One starts to resent it. I want to think about other things, but then one looks at the name on the byline, at who is funding the people running for President — and one realizes one can’t afford to.

    Jesus. Would they give it a rest? Take up knitting or something? I like gardening, myself. They should try it.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art
  227. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Can’t ignore pure evil, the Spawn of Satan, who
    are turning earth into their controlled, owned hell.

    Hell for the non Yid.

  228. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    One starts to resent it. I want to think about other things, but then one looks at the name on the byline, at who is funding the people running for President — and one realizes one can’t afford to.

    Colin — hear hear – I share your angst. Is it worth it? I think so. In the elite circles, we are still losing big time. But among the populous, I think we are making progress. Jew political coercion is becoming obvious.

    Art

    p.s. Hard to believe it, but Biden is weaker than Trump on Israel.

    On “Unconditional” Military Aid To Israel, Biden-Harris Far To The Right Even Of Bush Admin

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/unconditional-military-aid-israel-biden-harris-far-right-bush-admin

    • Replies: @Art
  229. Art says:

    FBI – Deep State – Again

    Goes against Trump — again!

    FBI finds no evidence “indicating Antifa involvement” in DC protest despite Trump’s claims: document

    But the FBI did find evidence that far-right groups urged violence against police and protesters, the report shows
    The FBI found no intelligence “indicating Antifa involvement” in violence surrounding Sunday’s protest near the White House despite President Donald Trump’s attempts to cast blame on radical leftists, according to an FBI situation report obtained by The Nation.
    An FBI source told the outlet that other situation reports, produced daily by the FBI since the weekend, have similarly shown no evidence of Antifa involvement.

    https://www.salon.com/2020/06/03/fbi-finds-no-evidence-indicating-antifa-involvement-in-dc-protest-despite-trumps-claims-document/

    Clearly Antifa is a terrorist organization. No matter its name. Witness Portland.

  230. Art says:
    @Art

    p.s. Hard to believe it, but Biden is weaker than Trump on Israel.

    Biden is most pro-Israel nominee ever (and he will ‘defeat’ ‘hypercritical’ voices in the party)

    Pro-Israel advocates are overjoyed at the prospect of Joe Biden becoming the Democratic nominee for president this week. They say there has Never been a nominee from any party who is so pro-Israel, that Joe Biden personally wrote the Democratic platform that is “straight down the line” behind Israel, and that his choice of Kamala Harris as veep reflects his love of Israel. And as for the “hypercritical” new members of Congress, that attitude will be “defeated” under Biden.

    “We’ve actually never had a nominee on any side of the aisle for president who has a longer and stronger record than Joe Biden,” Halie Soifer of the Jewish Democratic Council of America said on an American Jewish Committee zoom call yesterday.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/08/biden-is-most-pro-israel-nominee-ever-and-he-will-defeat-hypercritical-voices-in-the-party/

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  231. @Art

    ‘Pro-Israel advocates are overjoyed at the prospect of Joe Biden becoming the Democratic nominee for president this week… ‘

    Catastrophic war with Iran, here we come!

  232. Art says:

    More crimes against humanity by the worldwide Jew tribe.

    These Palestinian children (and their families) are marked for life as troublemakers by the jack booted IDF Jews.

    Palestinian child prisoners in Israel

  233. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Behind the crime, a Yid:

    Palestine: 1947 escape from British prison exposed as inside job

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/30/palestine-1947-escape-from-british-prison-exposed-as-inside-job

  234. Art says:

    WATCH: Israeli soldiers video their beating of Palestinian workers

    Palestinian media have posted a video reportedly showing Israeli soldiers beating Palestinian workers on their way to work in Israel earlier this week. The video appears to have been taken by the Israeli soldiers themselves. It is unclear how the video became public.

    According to one of the victims, the video only shows a little of the beating, which lasted about an hour: “The video is nothing compared to the real thing.” The soldiers also reportedly stole money from the workers.

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/watch-israeli-soldiers-video-their-beating-of-palestinian-workers/

  235. Art says:

    Zionist Christians receives mighty blow!

    Proof – Paster John Hagee takes money from Israel.

    https://www.trunews.com/stream/evangelicals-for-hire-israel-paid-u-s-christian-zionists-to-push-propaganda

  236. This interests me.

    Off and on, I’ve had a running debate with people here and elsewhere as to whether the Antifa/Black Bullshit Matters riots are controlled or not. I tend to go with not — just because I’m skeptical of colossal, all-embracing conspiracy theories in general.

    However, I have to admit: about a week ago, it seemed to dawn on the media/political establishment that if this crap continued, Trump was likely to win reelection.

    …and of a sudden, it all seems to be getting shut down. I follow Andy Ngo, and he’s just not finding the material he used to. Now, rather than further outrages, it’s just arrests and inanities from politicians.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo…

    So maybe there is some consortium who knew where the plug was, and pulled it.

    This weekend may clarify matters — one way or the other. The DC police just killed a genuine negro. What — if anything — happens in consequence?

  237. …and the fix would definitely seem to be in.

    Suddenly, the mayor of Portland is singing a different tune:

    ‘@tedwheeler
    after nearly 100 days of violent protests in his city involving people who were arrested, let go & went on to kill: “It doesn’t sit well by me that police make an arrest, somebody is processed in the jail & they’re right back on the street.”’

    So that’s how you feel, is it? Just when did you have this revelation?

  238. Outwardly attacking and vilifying whites is just dandy and par for the course, but if there is even a hint of an “anti-Semitic” canard, alarm bells start going full blast:

    https://www.aish.com/ci/a/Anti-Semitism-in-Two-Hit-TV-Shows.html

    The Umbrella Academy and Lovecraft Country trafficked in damaging anti-Jewish slurs.

    The Umbrella Academy depicts a family of superheroes who must come together to protect the world. Among the evil actors they battle is a “lizard person” who disguises himself as a human, and an organizer of evil forces who speaks Yiddish, among other languages. This seems to echo the bizarre anti-Jewish conspiracy theories of former soccer player and BBC sportscaster David Icke, who has written books claiming that many prominent Jews are actually secret “lizard people” seeking to world domination.

    Lovecraft Country, HBO’s hit new series, has only aired a few episodes, but it’s already gained over a million viewers – and raised troubling questions about its recent use of anti-Jewish tropes.

    The show is based on Matt Ruff’s bestselling 2016 novel about a group of Black Americans travelling through the US during the Jim Crow era. In addition to the monstrous racism the characters encounter from prejudiced White Americans, they also have to contend with actual monsters as the book and show veer into horror. It’s a clever conceit, stressing racism’s gruesomeness and horrifying nature.

    “With its atmospheric blend of supernatural and societal menaces, Lovecraft Country (uses) horror filmmaking as a form of social commentary on American race relations,” noted Salamishah Tillet in a recent New York times review of the show.

    On August 30, the series’ third episode aired. Titled “Holy Ghost,” it showed the character Leti buying a dilapidated old Victorian Mansion in a mostly White Chicago neighborhood. As she begins to fill the house with Black tenants, her White neighbors turn menacing – eventually turning on her and burning a cross on her front lawn. This horror outside is matched by horror inside, as restless spirits threaten the tenants. Eventually, Leti finds out the root cause of these angry ghosts: a scientist with the very Jewish sounding name Hiram Epstein apparently kidnapped eight Black people years before. He conducted gruesome experiments on them, murdered them, and buried their bodies underneath the house. It’s their souls that cause some of the mayhem in the hour-long episode.

    In a show without any other Jewish characters, the introduction of such a Jewish-sounding name, particularly one who is so bloodthirsty and destructive, is startling.

    Philissa Cramer, Editor-in-Chief of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, is a fan of the show, and wrote about her reaction watching the episode: “I was surprised Sunday night to hear a typically Jewish name applied to a character whose only appearance was as a ghost – and whose story instantly evoked one of history’s most durable antisemitic stereotypes.”

    That stereotype is the accusation that Jews somehow are driven to kill non-Jews: the “blood libel” that’s plagued Europe and the Middle East for centuries.

    Absolute Chutzpah.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  239. Miro23 says:

    Seems that the “Fallen soldiers losers and suckers” story was invented by Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic.

    US President Donald Trump rejected allegations that he bashed fallen soldiers as “losers” and “suckers,” hitting back at a recent story in the Atlantic that relied on anonymous sources, which he called “more made-up fake news.”
    The Atlantic article, published on Thursday, claims the president disparaged dead American soldiers on several occasions throughout his term, citing a flock of nameless officials and aides, none of whom would go on record with their accounts.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/499974-atlantic-magazine-biden-owner/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  240. ‘Seems that the “Fallen soldiers losers and suckers” story was invented by Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic.’

    What I’m interested in is the line between the falling out between Trump and Sheldon Adelson and Jeffrey Goldberg’s hit piece.

    I wonder if Oberkommando der Zion is trying to compel Trump to start that war with Iran that he was paid to start?

  241. @Widenose Privilege

    ‘…It’s a clever conceit, stressing racism’s gruesomeness and horrifying nature…’

    Oy.

    You know, a while back it occurred to me that racism is actually…just not that big a deal.

    I’ve become very frankly and consciously racist with respect to blacks. At the same time, I find myself able to get along perfectly well with individual blacks — and certainly able to treat them fairly as customers and employees. Indeed, if anything, accepting my inner Klansman has made me more relaxed and comfortable around blacks. If they don’t give me a problem, there’s no problem.

    So is racism so awful? Is it actually worse than being a dishonest businessman, or an exploitative employer? Maybe it’s pretty small potatoes, really.

  242. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    I need to change

    my predicted vote percentage that Trump will

    receive from 68% minimum to 82% minimum.

  243. Ron Unz says:
    @Miro23

    Seems that the “Fallen soldiers losers and suckers” story was invented by Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic.

    Moon of Alabama had some excellent coverage:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/09/how-attacks-on-trump-help-him-to-make-his-case.html

    He quoted some internet journalist named Michael Tracey who had a plausible reconstruction:

    • Thanks: Miro23
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anonymous
  244. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    The neocon prism bends truth into lie.

    “Neocon” itself is a lie. Should be Yidcon.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @anon
  245. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    or lie into “truth”

    • Replies: @anon
  246. anon[159] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    @anon[327]

    The neocon jew prism bends honest truth into jew lie and jew lie into jew “truth”.

    “Neocon” itself is a lie. Should be jewcon.

    FIFY! 😉

  247. The comment you are reading branches off a discussion elsewhere on the site, where it would have been off-topic.

    I wrote:

    Now why don’t you tell the rest of the story? Like, what was the word X in the chant, “X will not replace us”? What rôle did this word play in Virginia’s declaration of emergency August 12, 2017, and in the actions of the subsequent kangaroo court? Who is Roberta Kaplan? And so on.

    @baythoven wrote:

    May I bother you to explain, if you would pardon my ignorance?

    I was hoping that my interlocutor in the other thread would explain, for a truthful answer would have been more credible had it come from him. Coming from me, the answers must inevitably sound like the answers of a mere enthusiast.

    However, since my interlocutor has not explained and since you have asked, as briefly as I can but, unfortunately, still at substantial length:

    [MORE]

    1. The word X was “Jews.” On the evening of August 11, 2017, rallygoers of the Right held a torchlight parade in Charlottesville, Virginia. You probably saw media-curated, maximally unflattering photographs of the event at the time; but the entire media narrative regarding the events of August 11 and 12 was a desperate cascade of lies (not that you should take my word for it), so whatever the average, honest citizen thinks that he remembers about the event probably never occurred. Anyway, the parade took up the chant.

    2. Frustratingly, the rôle the word played in Virginia’s otherwise inexplicable declaration of emergency has never been established. Cowardly Republicans in the state legislature never asked as far as I know, so the Democratic governor never had to answer. Regarding the kangaroo court, I really ought to (but regrettably probably won’t) find the time to research, write and submit to The Unz Review a long, thorough article, or series of articles, that reviews the court’s indefensible actions, based on court transcripts plus exculpatory evidence the court disallowed. Moreover, the disgusting maneuver the U.S. Justice Department pulled after Virginia’s verdict, plea-bargaining the federal death penalty to extract a federal guilty plea with a federal life sentence on federal civil-rights charges—thus ensuring that any state appeal by James Alex Fields, Jr., would be moot—was shameful.

    Since I have not researched or written the aforementioned article, let me tease one, minor, isolated fact that suggests the revolting flavor of the larger kangaroo-court proceedings. The court’s clerk initially assigned a public defender who, coïcidentally and separately, had been representing plaintiffs suing the city on grounds that the city’s planned removal of Robert E. Lee’s statue (the same planned removal that caused the rally of August 11 and 12) violated the statue’s deed of gift. Presumably, the name of the lawyer in question had just happened to be the name randomly atop the clerk’s routine rotation that day—I know of no other reason the lawyer would be assigned as public defender—but when the judge realized that the defendant had randomly got a competent consellor who would enthusiastically defend the defendant, the judge dismissed the public defender on grounds of conflict of interest.

    Since defense attorneys are supposed to be biased in favor of their clients, one may be forgiven for wondering whether the putative conflict of interest were not the opposite, a coïncidence of interest. Anyway, the judge, apparently determined to convict Fields on way or another, would not have it.

    There was a lot more, like video evidence (never seen by the public) the judge reluctantly allowed his hand-picked jury to view but for some reason denied to the view of the gallery, and so on. The replacement public defender was, shall we say, less than enthusiastic in the defense of her client.

    One does not presume that you had the time or interest to pursue voluminous further writings on the topic, but for reference, various further information (though admittedly not a complete picture) is found here.

    3. Roberta Kaplan is a high-profile Jewish lawyer representing defendants in an astonishingly tendentious civil suit against named rallygoers. To give an example of the suit’s vaporous complaints, the parade’s route had passed a synagogue, thus putatively violating the congregants’ civil rights. (Not targeted, not threatened, not even perceived, but merely passed; or, rather, passed while shouting slogans unrelated to the synagogue—a synagogue of which the paraders in the dark were probably not even aware—but slogans Jews do not like to hear.) According to Mike Peinovich, Kaplan now tours synagogues and other Jewish assemblies nationwide to raise funds for the suit which she all but openly advertises as mere lawfare designed to bankrupt the defendants.

    Now, if I were you, I would find comments like mine tendentious. I do not ask you to adopt my point of view, nor am I in command of all the relevant facts, but the whole tenor of the official reaction to the events of August 11 and 12 just stinks. James Alex Fields, Jr., was not speeding but was driving at 23 miles per hour (speed being time divided by distance as you know, such that video evidence proves the speed) on a street into which Fields had been misdirected by barricades that, if I understand, had been mischievously shifted by members of the Antifa mob. A shotgun had recently been brandished near Fields by a hostile Antifant perched atop a parked car, so when two members of the mob, without provocation, smashed opposite sides of Fields’ car with poles, breaking out a taillight on the one side and the passenger’s window on the other, Fields probably, reasonably thought—during that panicked instant—that the man with the shotgun or a similar Antifant had opened fire on him. So Fields put his head down and hit the accelerator.

    No one knows why the replacement public defender failed to present, in a straightforward way, the straightforward case for self defense I have just outlined.

    No member of law enforcement has as far as I know ever tried to figure out who the two men with poles were, and the man with the shotgun (despite appearing as a witness in Fields’ trial) was never charged, but Fields gets a life sentence for self defense against a hostile, surrounding, aggressive, drug-addled Leftist mob? How does that work?

    I have not even mentioned the corrupt trials of the other four Charlottesville defendants, nor the predictably friendly treatment the judge and D.A. afforded the black man that had provoked them.

    In my opinion, there was no justice in Charlottesville. Never during my lifetime have I followed such a blatant miscarriage of the law in the United States of America.

    You now need no longer wonder why so many commenters at The Unz Review today show so little faith in the courts to afford a fair trial in Wisconsin to Kyle Rittenhouse. (I actually suspect for various reasons that Rittenhouse will indeed get a fair trial, but that is to be seen and is a topic for another day.)

    Thanks for asking. I wish that I could have managed a shorter reply but, even at this length, the reply hardly begins to suggest the Commonwealth of Virginia’s abuse of the law at Charlottesville.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @baythoven
    , @iffen
  248. baythoven says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Very kind of you to reply at such length. The point number 1. is what I was in most need of learning, but I appreciate all the additional commentary as well.

  249. iffen says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Were you at the parade and did you join in the chant? Do you know what % of rally goers participated in the parade? The reason that I ask is that not long after the event I read that initially the chant was, “You will not replace us” with the “you” morphing into Jews in different sections and at different times.

    I also point out the event was promoted as Unite the Right. If the rally became an exclusive anti-Semitic one, that would negate the Unity part. You remember subsets and Venn, right?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  250. @iffen

    Were you at the parade?…

    No.

    I knew in advance about the rally of August 12, 2017; although, of course, no one except maybe Gov. McAuliffe could have anticipated how significant the rally would turn out to be. As for the parade of August 11, 2017, I first learned of that when you did: in the news.

    Cowardly, I avoided the event so as not to lose my job.

    [N]ot long after the event I read that initially the chant was, “You will not replace us” with the “you” morphing into Jews in different sections and at different times.

    I did not know this, but it sounds right.

    I also point out the event was promoted as Unite the Right. If the rally became an exclusive anti-Semitic one, that would negate the Unity part. You remember subsets and Venn, right?

    Maybe. Right-wingers were pretty giddy then, however, as you may recall. I am unsure that anyone had thought it out as logically as you have just done.

    Did you attend any part of the event?

    • Replies: @iffen
  251. ‘Mayor
    @tedwheeler
    announced that as police commissioner, he is banning
    @PortlandPolice
    from using tear gas under all circumstances. They were previously restricted to using it only on life safety emergencies, such as when rioters do arson attacks.’

    There’s a wise policy. I wonder if he’s expecting the police to use guns and clubs instead, or perhaps go with hand-to-hand combat?

    I’ve been tear-gassed. Obviously, there are more formidable forms of the stuff, but as I experienced it in Berkeley circa 1970, it merely fills you with an overpowering desire to go somewhere the tear gas isn’t — like, several blocks away. Really, an eminent pacific solution to the problem at hand.

  252. iffen says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    although, of course, no one except maybe Gov. McAuliffe could have anticipated how significant the rally would turn out to be

    Maybe he wasn’t the only one. Maybe some people saw the chance the prove to the world that “the right” is anti-Semitic to the core and willing to kill “innocent” people who oppose them.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  253. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    From 2005, Wayne Madsen.
    Madsen on some topics like Trump is questionable. Not here.

    THE NEOCON POWER GRAB AT NSA AND AN ATTEMPT TO STIFLE THE PRESS

    What has some NSA officials worried is that with pro-Israeli neocons now engrained within the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), State Department, and National Security Council, NSA is ripe for penetration by Israeli intelligence. NSA has a troubled past with Israel. In 1967, Israeli warplanes launched a premeditated attack on the NSA surveillance ship, the USS Liberty, killing and wounding a number of U.S. sailors and NSA civilian personnel. Convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard compromised a number of NSA sensitive sources and methods when he provided a garage full of classified documents to Israel. But NSA is also aware of an incident where Israelis used a contractor, RCA, to gain access to yet additional NSA sources and methods. In the 1980s, against the wishes of NSA, the Reagan administration forced NSA to permit RCA, one of its major contractors, to develop a tethered aerostat (balloon) signals intelligence and direction finding system for the Israeli Defense Force.

    Full article:

    https://cryptome.org/nsa-stifle.htm

    • Replies: @anon
  254. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Madsen on some topics like Trump is questionable

    To be clear, madsen is questionable when Madsen writes about Trump.

  255. The Mystery of the Lockdowns

    How many COVID deaths could Trump have prevented by acting differently? Likely answer: zero. Recent studies find no evidence cross-country differences in lockdown policies have had any impact on COVID. For more, see –
    https://naimisha_forest.silvrback.com/the-mystery-of-the-lockdowns

  256. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Don’t care much for Carlin but this worth hearing:

    George Carlin told us about the Corona panic years ago

  257. Trump, at a recently rally in South Carolina:

    The fact is, we don’t have to be in the Middle East, other than we want to protect Israel. We’ve been very good to Israel. Other than that, we don’t have to be in the Middle East.

    Thank you, Mr. President, for finally coming clean.

    So much for the “conspiracy theory” smear.

  258. @Ron Unz

    Now here’s something for a Californian to take up. This is in Rupert Murdoch’s Australian broadsheet

    https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/californians-first-to-catch-woke-wave-but-its-a-dumper/news-story/0b8518831764362befcb29f65ebb7a0f
    What is striking is this passage:

    The latest outrage is a radical reworking of the school curriculum, mandating a semester-long course in ethnic studies to teach “the four ‘i’s of oppression” — ideological, institutional, interpersonal and internalised.

    Not all ethnic groups are discriminated against, apparently. The course notes invite students to write a paper on the historical circumstances “that have led to Jewish and Irish Americans gaining racial privilege”.”

    Now that needs all sorts of explanation if the quote is correct 😎.

  259. Rico says:
    @anon

    It was returned to the wrong religion though..

  260. Anonymous[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Haha. I just saw a perfect quote for the occasion in the comment section:

    “I didn’t attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.” Mark Twain

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  261. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Seems many rumors regarding Joseph Kennedy, Sr., bootlegging,
    dealing with mafia for 60s election, more, all CIA creations.

    CIA mostly scum so I can believe this.

    Robert Kennedy Jr. | Hotboxin’ with Mike Tyson

    Wouldn’t doubt CIA and other set up Ted
    to be forever blackmailable.

    Was right about Ginsburg.
    Wrote she would not last to Oct.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  262. This could furnish a useful precedent.

    https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2020/09/14/san-francisco1000-month-pregnant-black-pacific-islanders-improve-health-outcomes/

    If — say — at some point in the future, we wanted to increase white birthrates, it would be hard to argue that it would be wrong to pay stipends to white parents only.

  263. ‘Israel-Advocacy Groups Urge Facebook to Label Criticism of Israel as Hate Speech’

    That wouldn’t be precisely honest — but it would be a step towards honesty.

  264. @anon

    If you have time to listen to the loopy anti-vaccser on that video you have too much time on your hands and should try thinking as a novel recreation when tempted to branch out expansively on the ways of the world. BTW do you know when the CIA was created? I think you may be muddling odd things you have heard about the CIA with same on FBI….

    • Replies: @anon
  265. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your comment could be mistaken
    for a scared kid peeing in his pants.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  266. @anon

    Confirming the impression you give of being scatterbrained and addle headed. Take comfort: you are nnot alone and you will find co.mpany on UR where you will pass for normal.

  267. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Now here is something for you Ron which I only locate here because I said I would on a Facebook interchange with someone (smart enough to have a PhD but he thinks 16 year old s should be able to vote!!) and considerably younger than me. I am about paste here a long ramble that his remarks about an article on anti-Semitism set off. I didn’t read it all but decided to throw a small smoke bomb.

    Here is what Facebook declared outside its community standards and wouldn’t allow me to post. What would you pick as the reasons?

    As one brought up without an anti-Semitic thought or even conception of it (well out 100 yards champ and full forward was Jewish – at least father was – and full back was too, but the school standard for anti-Semitism was to comment on a boy’s large nose as Jewish when his name was classic Armenian). Now I rejoice in having half Jewish grandchildren who are very bright and fun. One of them said after reading The Jewish Century which I had given to her, said “why don’t you become Jewish grandpa ?” because of my enthusiasm for the book and what it was about. So…. it has been an interesting avocation in recent years to sort through the usually absurd anti Senitism on an excellent (if somewhat cranky) website unz.com owned by the brilliant, and Jewish, Ron Unz. Also mondoweiss, Gilad Atzmon plus the usually centrist and civilised Israeli media like Times of Jerusalem and Haaretz As my best rabbi friend says, sometimes from Israel, he can see no way the big problem is going to be solved. As I used to be very tough minded in understanding Israel’s often (in many people’s minds) excessive use of force it has only been gradually that I have come round close to his verdict of “hopeless”. Maybe Palestinians will eventually be pushed into some mini Hong Kongs if the Sunni Arab states abandon them and still have enough oil wealth to finance them. But I now trace the turning point in embedding anti-Semitism to the First World War, after which the course toward ruthless Zionism was almost unavoidably set. American Jews who weren’t Zionist but taking over from WASPS at the Ivies (with a few decades before full takeover) wouldn’t have been shut up. (People like our Governor-General Isaacs were anti Zionist!). My observation that educated Jews make the best “English Gentleman” would have gone on being paralled in Germany (don’t stop me for doubts and qualifications: there are plenty) and we may never have got to the point where the Cold War, American politics and the Holocaust combined to allow conquest of land already the home of Arab Christiians and Muslims whose families were there for generations before some Arabs moved in to trade with Jews. Against the counterfactual dream Central and Eastern Europe was perhaps insufficiently secular by 1912 when Chaim Waitzman allegedly said that a Jewish population of 1 per cent was the limit and that Germany already exceeded it. But now it does seem to be the case that even the changing demography of America’s once typical and majority Reform Jews – by intermarriage and low fertility – isn’t sufficient to break the hold of The Lobby (cf. Mearsheimer and Walt) on ME and Israel related policy which is perhaps the biggest single cause of the impoverishing of the US middle class over several decades. While the direct and indirect subsidies to Israel together with unnecessary wars inspired by neocons may be no. 1 it would be wrong to overlook the costs forced on the American plutocracy and born by the middle 50 per cent by the other big lobbies like healthcare and health insurance, Big Pharma, the organised Aged, arms industry, agriculture etc. Still, the control of “the narrative” through Jewish controlled Hollywood, electronic media (including much of FANGS), major newspapers etc. has made it obvious that, given a compulsory choice to be for or against Israel the Tribe (an Israeli media term as it was Einstein’s) will feel compelled to line up for Israel, even if not as significantly as the major billionaire donors to both major parties. I don’t know much about BDS but I think we are lucky in Australia that Bob Carr, and lesser politicians, feel able to express views that, in the US would be met by the most meretricious affronts to the First Amendment in many legislatures. We have I think a lot to be grateful for in the mechanics of our democracy from preferential voting, compulsory voting (presumably impossible in the US because of the 13 per cent deriving from its original sin) and restraint on election expenditure – apart from Clive Palmer. We may call ourselves a democracy with some justice, albeit shorthand, but the US definitely is not, and “it’s the Benjamins baby

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    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  268. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Might want to contact the Fed and inquire
    about end of fake coin shortage.

    Is there an end or to be combined with a “currency shortage”?

  269. @Anonymous

    American politics and the Holocaust combined to allow conquest of land already the home of Arab Christiians and Muslims whose families were there for generations before some Arabs moved in to trade with Jews.

    There were 800,00 Jews living under Muslim rule in Arabia in 1948. There were about one million arabs living in Palestine. The Jews living in Arabia in countries like Syria, Egypt, and Iran were living there since Rome conquered Jerusalem in 70 A.D. In most cases they were second class citizens.

  270. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to ‘lie in state’ for two days.

    That seemed a little weird to me; Ginsburg only really became prominent when the issue of precisely when she was going to die — and the implications of that — came to the fore. Do deceased Supreme Court Justices normally lie in state?

    Not really. The only other time it happened was ninety years ago, when Taft died — who had been a president as well as a supreme court justice.

    So why Ginsburg?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  271. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    I am inclined to paraphrase a description of what journalism is – it is saying “Ginsburg has died” to people who never knew Ginsburg was alive.

  272. Art says:

    RPG — legacy — millions of aborted babies!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  273. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Another 2 Ginsburg gifts to Americans: mediocrity
    becomes genius and the dead collect pay checks.

  274. @Art

    To most people in the Anglosphere the obsessional concentration in American politics and populist activism on abortion is bizarre and delusional.

  275. Allow me to set up “I told you so”.

    I predict that Trump’s female nominee will say of Roe v. Wade that, out of respect for the court and proper judicial method and tradition she regards precedents, especially those acted on for decades, as very important and can’t see herself voting to reverse it.

    As reversing it has proved unnecessary to chipping away at it she may have to answer questions about that by dismissing any attempt to anticipate whatever is in the ingenious, not to say devious, minds of those who may be working away at avoiding its impact may try next and wouldn’t necessarily favour appeals being heard by the SCOTUS against striking down of statutes.

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