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During the last eighteen months, I think I’ve stood nearly alone on the Internet in arguing that the late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan, China was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.

The individual articles in my long series have been viewed some 350,000 times, but with rather few exceptions almost no one has publicly endorsed such an extremely controversial hypothesis, and almost as few of the multitude of readers have even been willing to acknowledged its existence.

However, that unfortunate situation may now be starting to change. Just a couple of days ago, an influential MAGA/Trumpist website called The Conservative Treehouse published a 1,400 word piece strongly suggesting that America’s “Fourth Branch of Government,” namely our intelligence services, were quite possibly responsible for the Covid epidemic, and even concurring with me that former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo seems the individual most likely to know who was really responsible.

The motives suggested are somewhat different from my own, with the alleged goal being to help ensure Trump’s defeat for reelection, and other details are also at variance with my analysis. But these are secondary matters of little importance compared to general agreement on the overriding question of “Who Did It?” and I have anyway never claimed much certainty in my speculations about “Why?”

To the extent that America’s enormous number of still-fervent Trump supporters begin moving in the direction suggested by this piece, the likelihood of our being able to firmly answer both “Who?” and “Why?” will be greatly enhanced. Given the deaths of so many hundreds of thousands of American citizens and the severe disruption to the daily lives of our entire population, these seem very important questions to be asking.

With fortuitous timing, I had recently created a separate section on our website Sidebar providing convenient access to all my major Covid/Biowarfare articles as well as freely downloadable eBook containing them, and I append the contents below:

Major Covid/Biowarfare Articles

Based upon excess death totals, the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide, and also greatly disrupted the lives of many billions more. For these reasons, it probably already ranks as the most important global event since World War II, with an impact easily exceeding the collapse of the Soviet Union or the 9/11 Attacks and the Middle Eastern wars they unleashed.

Since April 2020 I have published a long series of articles arguing the the Covid outbreak was due to an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), and have been almost unique in publicly taking this extremely controversial position. I have also placed it within the context of the hidden history of America’s longstanding biological warfare programs.

Taken together, these articles run more than 50,000 words and have been viewed some 350,000 times, while provoking almost 9,000 comments totaling more than 1.2 million words. Aside from being available on this website, they have also been collected into a freely downloadable ebook, available both in EPub and Mobi/Kindle formats.

Although the articles make a lengthy and detailed case for my remarkable claims, some of the strongest evidence may easily be summarized in just the following few paragraphs, extracted from these much longer works:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious. Furthermore:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

Main Articles in the Series

American Pravda: Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?
The Unz Review • April 21, 2020 • 7,400 Words
American Pravda: Covid-19, Its Impact and Origins After One Year
The Unz Review • March 15, 2021 • 8,700 Words
American Pravda: “The Truth” and “The Whole Truth” About the Origins of Covid-19
The Unz Review • May 10, 2021 • 6,400 Words
American Pravda: George Orwell’s Virus Lab-Leak
The Unz Review • May 31, 2021 • 5,200 Words
The Covid BioWeapon: Made in the USA, Aimed at China
The Unz Review • June 15, 2021 • 4,400 Words • Interview by Mike Whitney
American Pravda: Covid Epidemic as Lab-Leak or Biowarfare?
The Unz Review • July 12, 2021 • 13,100 Words
American Pravda: Waging Biological Warfare
The Unz Review • August 9, 2021 • 7,500 Words

 

On a different matter, I have also now released a conveniently downloadable eBook version of one of my remaining very long American Pravda articles from 2019:

American Pravda: Secrets of Military Intelligence
The Hidden Information in Our Government Archives
12,500 Words • EPub FormatMobi/Kindle Format

 

Finally, I should mention that we recently added a new blogger to our website. A couple of months ago, a commenter calling himself “Raches” appeared, and soon began producing an enormous quantity of very erudite and high quality material, with his total output reaching an astonishing 100,000 words per month, a level vastly greater than any previous participant in our website.

Moreover, I soon discovered that he had already read and very carefully scrutinized the many hundreds of thousands of words in my own American Pravda series and other writings, even highlighting and questioning an apparent contradiction between the claims I made in one of my 2019 articles and a half-sentence that had previously appeared in something I’d published twenty years earlier.

We’ve certainly never had a previous commenter of such apparent knowledge and productivity, so when he eventually suggested that I allow him to begin blogging on this website, I was only too happy to oblige. You can now read his writings at his Raches’ Political Proems blog.

 
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  1. If it was from America, it was done without his knowledge.

    It turned out to be the way to oust a popular sitting president; use a pandemic to turn Trump into Herbert Hover 2.0 vis a vis the economy. Then a virtual election campaign conducted by a willing press put a senile man into the White House.

    No way Trump knew or planned or authorized this. It cost him the oval office.

  2. Weaver says:

    It’s too evil and too foolish to believe. Also, the way we had to fight to have the truth of the lab accepted over the Wuhan market story, how even China tried to hide the lab, it makes the creation in a lab accident seem plausible.

    As soon as lab workers got sick, Fauci knew what happened. Also, China probably had early info that it might not have fully appreciated.

    I can readily believe the US spread it in Iran after release, though I hope such isn’t the case. It’d be very easy for just one person to accidentally spread it to Iran from China.

    Trump at least did not at all seem to know. Tucker told him to take it seriously. Maybe this is why the US general called China warning Trump might nuke China, to cause China to hate and fear Trump and to trust the more established US bureaucrats.

    Since US funding was involved, the virus should be blamed at least in part on the US government, but I hope it wasn’t an intentional release. It seems most likely that it was an accident in a lab which makes both the US and China seem guilty of negligence.

  3. Anon[209] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, everything is fine (and fine-looking, and fine-sounding) with the “vaccines”, pushed mandatorily (though with non-negligible hypocrisy, more often then not) on the entire West by the same people, or isn’t it.

    • Thanks: Catdog
    • Replies: @I-See
  4. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Based upon excess death totals, the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide, and also greatly disrupted the lives of many billions more. For these reasons, it probably already ranks as the most important global event since World War II, with an impact easily exceeding the collapse of the Soviet Union or the 9/11 Attacks and the Middle Eastern wars they unleashed.

    You’ll never go wrong predicting the escalating treachery of the brood of vipers.

    Shameless lying followed by unabashed projection is their modus operandi.

    Follow the money. Follow the pathology. Follow the misanthropy. They’ll call you a “hater” for journaling their insatiable greed, their total lack of conscience, and their systemic hatred of the human race.

    • Replies: @HallParvey
    , @bike-anarkist
  5. Kuru says:

    During the last eighteen months, I think I’ve stood nearly alone on the Internet in arguing that the late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan, China was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.

    I have tended to zone out when it comes to coronavirus coverage in the news, but has Unz ever investigated the virus’ lack of lethality?

    When one hears phrases like “bioweapon attack”, one imagines something like ebola or some other horrific disease, not a slightly more deadly common cold.

    Anyway, the big issue that this entire charade has exposed it that there are too many old people being propped up by the wonders of medicine and all it takes is a Divine puff of wind to knock them over, hence the high rates of fatality in elderly care homes and the remarkable lack of deaths in third world countries with low median ages.

  6. Weaver says:
    @American Citizen

    Trump did not at all seem to know how to deal with it. If this was America’s doing, it wasn’t Trump’s doing.

    There is a crime being covered up here, but it’s that the US was pursuing dangerous gain of function research which had been deemed too risky to perform in the US. Fauci unintentionally has helped kill millions of people. And he and others will get rich from the vaccine.

    I hope China bans future gain of function research or finds a similarly appropriate way to highlight US partial culpability.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
    • Disagree: GazaPlanet
  7. anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry Ron, it wasn’t the eeeevvvvviiiiiillll American military that brought covid hoax to China in December 2019 during the international military games. It was a month earlier in November 2019 in a box of lobster.

    National Fisherman ^ | October 4, 2021 | Guest Author:Mark Godfrey
    Chinese media: Maine lobster shipment was ‘Pandora’s box,’ spreading covid Guest Author:Mark Godfrey Reports appearing across China’s tightly controlled media suggest the origin of covid-19 in the country came in 2019 via a shipment of lobster from Maine. “In November 2019, a shipment of frozen Maine [lobster] arrived in Wuhan, and shortly afterwards several people working in the market fell very ill with a strange pneumonia,” noted an article published this week in the New Observer, a state-owned periodical. The article suggests the shipment from Maine was a “Pandora’s box” that spread the virus around China.

    less than one million dead, average age 78 in a population of 330 million. What’s that? .117 of one percent?

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Ben the Layabout
  8. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    An even bigger breach in the dam is the Intercept, which dumped big “leaks” about it. (Note they didn’t burn the leaker this time, for once.)

    https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/

    Here we see DARPA making sure that when the unrestricted warfare’s over, they don’t wind up in the dock for CIA’s sneak-attack germ warfare.

    That’s the way to look at DIA’s warning too. They had to keep CIA from framing them for undeclared war with banned biological weapons, the most indiscriminate WMD ever used in a crime of aggression. Everybody knows this crime will not stand. Plugged-in guys are ratting out the perps. That’s CIA with its focal points in CDC and NGOs: Pompeo, Bob Gates, Avril, Garry, Daszak, Fauci. Hang those scumbags at Khabarovsk II, they are enemies of all mankind.

  9. Ron Unz says:
    @Weaver

    Also, the way we had to fight to have the truth of the lab accepted over the Wuhan market story, how even China tried to hide the lab, it makes the creation in a lab accident seem plausible.

    Actually, there’s really ZERO evidence of a lab-leak in Wuhan or anywhere else. I discussed the issue at considerable length in my most recent article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-wuhan-iran-and-several-red-herrings/#the-alleged-wuhan-lab-leak-and-its-scientific-skeptics

    The most credible eyewitness was an Australian virologist who was working at the Wuhan lab throughout the period in question. She says there was absolutely no indication of a lab-leak, nor had any of the Chinese researchers gotten sick as Pompeo had claimed in his intelligence report. She’s also very skeptical that Covid was produced in that lab, and other credible Western virologists tend to agree with her.

  10. I still think that Dr. Fauci, that skilled politician when it comes to “explaining” the Cov virus, should be hauled in front of an investigative committee and made to explain every damned thing he knows about this virus and how he was involved. Dr. Rand Paul proved him a two time liar to Congress and nailed him on the issue of “gain of function” research. That is why Fauci will not talk about what Dr. Paul accused him of—Fauci knows that Dr. Paul nailed him. This jerk is getting away with everything he was responsible for. It is unreal how corrupt the Biden Administration is including the bogus Main Stream press, TOTALLY IN BED WITH THE DEMOCRATS.

  11. Mevashir says:

    Why is it necessary to always include a word count of your articles? Who cares? Does size matter when it comes to essays? What is your real agenda in always distracting us with irrelevant minutiae of information, like a true Scribe (Sofer = counter)??!!

    • Disagree: Etruscan Film Star, SafeNow
    • Troll: Raches
    • Replies: @Maple Curtain
    , @SafeNow
  12. Mevashir says:
    @American Citizen

    No way Trump knew or planned or authorized this. It cost him the oval office.

    But Trump stepped right up to the plate and authorized fast-tracking the development of untested dangerous experimental covaxx. Why?

    Operation Warp Speed reveals a warped soul and mind.

    Trump and Biden are the dynamic doo-doo of the vaxxspiracy and mass poisoning of America!

    • Agree: Kali
  13. Ron Unz says:
    @Kuru

    When one hears phrases like “bioweapon attack”, one imagines something like ebola or some other horrific disease, not a slightly more deadly common cold.

    Well, it’s probably already killed 15 million people worldwide, including perhaps a million Americans, so I do think it’s much more dangerous than the common cold. Most of the evidence is that the fatality rate is greater than 0.5%, though extremely skewed by age.

    Given that very low fatality rate Covid obviously wasn’t designed as an anti-personnel bioweapon, but very likely an anti-economy bioweapon, as was suggested in a long article we published last year by a 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    One important point he made was that high lethality was often counter-productive in a bioweapon since debilitating or hospitalizing large numbers of individuals may impose far greater economic costs on a country than a biological agent which simply inflicts an equal number of deaths. In his words “a high communicability, low lethality disease is perfect for ruining an economy,” suggesting that the apparent characteristics of the coronavirus were close to optimal in this regard.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-wuhan-iran-and-several-red-herrings/#p_1_32

  14. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Should all this expand more broadly into the public realm it’ll be interesting to see how they’ll try to channel and spin the story. Sort of like after one has read a few books on propaganda techniques they then become more aware of it and sees how it’s deliberately carried out. Who will be the target to be blamed? How will they try to turn things to their advantage? Will there be fake secrets revealed to divert things? Outlandish stories to undercut the credibility of legitimate inquiry?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Tron Andresen
  15. Fr. John says:

    “the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide…”

    By almost a factor of three, this dwarfs the so-called ‘Holocaust’ of WWII.

    Can we also forget that charade in light of the COVID planned attack against ALL humanity?!

    Yeah, didn’t think so….

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  16. Weaver says:
    @anon

    If biowar, you would not expect many fatalities. Instead, the goal would be healthcare costs, other costs from sick but not dead. By the time the virus got to the US, it might be expected to be less dangerous due to mutations. However, US supply chains have been disrupted as a result, which harms the US.

    But notice, China doesn’t want to acknowledge the lab, which would paint both countries as blameworthy.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  17. Mevashir says:
    @Weaver

    I hope China bans future gain of function research or finds a similarly appropriate way to highlight US partial culpability.

    My father was a recombinant DNA researcher at Stanford 1970-1990. His lab employed graduate students from all over Asia, including PRC. This is a lucrative collaboration between biowarfare scientists from Khazaria and Asia, all the high IQ low morality folks.

  18. JimDandy says:

    Your final paragraph is quite damning, and it points the finger in one direction. I remember reading something after 9-11 that said that huge (and eccentric) market trades were made right before the attacks resulting in massive payouts to unknown investors.

    ‘America’s “Fourth Branch of Government,” namely our intelligence services, were quite possibly responsible for the Covid epidemic, and even concurring with me that former Secretary of State and CIA Director Mike Pompeo seems the individual most likely to know who was really responsible.’

    This all sounds plausible, but is it crazy to wonder whether or not bad actors with primarily military motives might also tie an economic benefit into the mix–anticipating (or consciously setting up the conditions for) unprecedented Big Pharma windfalls?

  19. The virus originated at University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill, where it was being used for gain of function studies. Gain of function studies were outlawed during the Obama maladminstration, so Fauci had all of the materials packaged up and sent to the Wuhan lab, and laundered the funding through an NGO, and sent to the Wuhan lab as well. It was noted early that the virus appeared to have been engineered as there is a sequence of 3 nucleotides that do not occur in nature. The question remains on the location of the engineering, UNC-Chapel Hill or the Wuhan lab. I have as yet to see any evidence that the virus was not released in some way by the Wuhan lab.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
  20. It seems far more likely that Zionist Jews are behind Covid. USA does not have a track record anywhere near Israel when it comes to false flags and war by deception.

    • Agree: Mevashir, Schuetze
    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Anonymous
  21. The US government had the most to gain from this crime and the US pharmaceuticals industry had the most to profit from manufacturing phony nostrums to save us from it. It will probably turn out to be the greatest crime in history, even surpassing the massacres by Stalin and Mao by a long shot. If it was to keep Trump in power, I don’t know, but all I can say is that it seems that the left are the ones profiting from it the most.

    • Agree: Anon62
    • Replies: @HallParvey
  22. @Mevashir

    “But Trump stepped right up to the plate and authorized fast-tracking the development of untested dangerous experimental covaxx. Why?”

    Because everyone around Trump told him that was the way forward. Trump has a lot of faults, and one was trusting the people around him. When a room full of doctors and health experts with hundreds of years combined experience told Trump a vaccine is the way to beat the pandemic, he went with it. Trump has a personality that needs to do something; inaction is worse than the wrong decision to a man like Trump. So he choose action.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
    • Replies: @Mevashir
  23. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    Thanks, anon, for comment 7 – the PRC cited that evidence, and it makes perfect sense. CIA put the banned biological weapons on a boat in perfect safety at home. No doubt they hid them in the freezer in Shrub’s Kennebunkport cottage.

    The Wuhan Games served to obscure attribution. CIA could point fingers at any participating state. Attribution is a crucial step in holding a state responsible for internationally wrongful acts in breach of jus cogens, assessing restitution, compensation with interest, and satisfaction including prosecution or extradition of individual CIA criminals.

    The bill of indictment against CIA is proceeding at a rapid pace. The open-source evidence of official conduct is overwhelming, as Dr. Unz points out. The technical evidence is probative.

    https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

    When CIA killed thousands of Americans for war propaganda on 911, the world let them slide. This is different. The whole world has a beef. And this crime tears it. The CIA impunity regime has got to be destroyed.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  24. Dumbo says:

    Meanwhile, everything is fine (and fine-looking, and fine-sounding) with the “vaccines”, pushed mandatorily (though with non-negligible hypocrisy, more often then not) on the entire West by the same people, or isn’t it.

    This. While Mr. Unz cries about a “bioweapon”, he is silent or even positive about the “antidote” of mass vaccination. But, how is it possible, that there was a “bioweapon” without an “antidote” planned with it? It would be idiotic, really.

    And in fact, we see that they were talking about mRNA vaccines already in March 2020, when the pandemic had barely started. So it is OBVIOUS that, if the virus was developed in a lab, then the vaccines were started to be developed at basically the same time. In fact, that the virus was developed or at least released with the vaccines in mind.

    “Covid” and the “vaccine” are two sides of the same coin. And they have the same objective, total control of humanity, our health, what we do, where we go, who we meet, what is allowed or even forced to be injected in our bodies, and even our genetic identity.

    Talking about the “bioweapon” and being silent on the vaccine or heralding it as the “solution” is either extremely naive, or if not, Ron Unz is part of the problem.

  25. A New York Times headline reads, Trying to Make Sense of Covid’s Mysterious 2 Month Cycle.”

    Hey, I have an idea. Why not ask the mysterious Dr. Fauci!, that democrat party medical “politician.” That might cause a little light to shine on the issue.

  26. Mevashir says:
    @Quartermaster

    The question remains on the location of the engineering, UNC-Chapel Hill or the Wuhan lab. I have as yet to see any evidence that the virus was not released in some way by the Wuhan lab.

    If Wuhan was working under contract with the NIH why does it matter where the bioengineering occurred?

    • Replies: @AndrewR
  27. Mevashir says:
    @Titus Jerusalem Smasher

    When I was growing up in California, almost all the recombinant DNA scientists at Stanford were Jewish. I would assume this is true nationwide. How many of them work overtly in biowarfare research I’m uncertain, but their research is critical to this field. Israel has an enormous biowarfare research facility Nes Tsiona staffed fully by Ziokikes:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Institute_for_Biological_Research
    http://www.armagedon.org.il/ness_ziona_english.htm
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5011051
    https://www.nonproliferation.org/wp-content/uploads/npr/83cohen.pdf
    https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/the-avner-cohen-collection
    https://nonproliferation.org/experts/avner-cohen/
    https://www.nonproliferation.org/?s=cohen

    • Thanks: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  28. @Weaver

    The simple fact that the research was being carried out at all, no matter where, and that the US was behind it should mean that those in the chain of command to do this dirty deed need to be tried for mass murder and executed. Start with Fauci, send him to Guantanamo for their special type of information gathering and have him give up the rest of the culprits.

    Why does the US have bio-weapons labs in various countries throughout the world? Why is the US military so intent on creating a weapon that respects no borders and once released escapes all forms of control as the current incident so clearly illustrates? Where is the civilian control over the sociopaths that allowed the military to run amok?

    I’m sure that no one will ever be held accountable for the millions killed and the economic damage that has decimated the entire world. That’s because the gov’t never prosecutes itself.

    • Agree: Bert, Realist, Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  29. R.C. says:

    As I understand it, both the virus and the vaxes have that spike protein which almost surely was man created and is behind whatever is being called ‘Covid’. I really don’t have a final conclusion the whole virus existence issue and don’t plan find one but I will say that both sides of that have their points.
    There is really no way that the ‘flu season’, which has been here for all history just magically disappeared. Rather, the PTB ensured that respiratory diseases we’ve witnessed our whole lives like the flu and the common cold (which is sometimes caused by the coronavirus), were all simply newly categorized as C-1984. They then played with the statistics, such as dying-with vs. dying-of, hiding overall mortality, burying articles about our natural immune systems (which right up until 11/2019 were so everywhere as to be in one’s face constantly), etc.
    Figures don’t lie, but liars figure. (Twain, I believe.)
    R.C.

    • Agree: St-Germain
  30. @Weaver

    China did NOT ‘..hide the lab’, whatever that means. Lab workers did NOT ‘get sick’, save with seasonal ‘flu. If you really believe that one individual ‘accidentally’ spread it from Wuhan to Qom, I have an harbour bridge you might like to buy. As for your ‘hope’ that this bio-warfare attack on China was not an ‘intentional release’-how effing naive can one be?

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  31. @JimDandy

    Pompeo is Evil Incarnate. He is plainly the figure behind this attack, but not the only one.

  32. @Weaver

    What does the idiotic ‘..China doesn’t want to acknowledge the lab’, mean? They do not deny its existence, or work, just the lies spread by Evil imbeciles.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Weaver
  33. Mevashir says:
    @American Citizen

    The right action was to fire Fraudci. Trump fired almost everyone who ever worked for him. He should have dumped Dr Fauci-Strangelove, taken the heat from the media, but increased his popularity with the public. In the end he’s another Balaam’s ass.

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    As for Mulga #31: Pompeo is Evil Incarnate. He is plainly the figure behind this attack, but not the only one:

    Remember PompousOh’s last trip to Israel where he gave them an ultimatum to drop their business ties to PRC? The Chinese ambassador to Israel was found dead in his Israeli apartment at the very same time that the Fundie-Fatso was there!
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-52696833
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/chinese-ambassador-to-israel-found-dead-at-herzliya-residence/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/17/world/middleeast/israel-china-ambassador-du-wei.html

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Bubba
    , @Rogue
    , @Wayne Lusvardi
  34. Anon62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    [This is not a vaxxing thread nor focused primarily on the lethality of Covid, and such comments are much less likely to be published. Use other threads for those topics.]

    Most of the evidence is that the fatality rate is greater than 0.5%, though extremely skewed by age.

    There is research which demonstrates COVID fatalities to be primarily persons who are at, or above, the median lifespan for their nation. In essence, if you are near the end of life and contract COVID you will likely die.

    If you are younger than the median lifespan for your area, you are unlikely to develop the severe form of disease. In fact your experience of the disease may remain so mild that you remain unaware of contracting COVID. You may remain completely asymptomatic yet be capable of unwittingly transmitting the virus to others.

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    Your comment at @490 of the https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/ thread:

    My strong impression is that the vaccines don’t work very well at preventing infection or transmission, but do a much better job at preventing serious illness.

    The available science supports the following propositions:

    The mRNA vaccines do not prevent infection.

    The mRNA vaccines do not prevent transmission.

    The evidence accruing in western nations is that persons of an age beyond the median life expectancy of the nation, and suffering from one or more life threatening co-morbidities, form the majority of those who have died from COVID-19. In lay language – those who are near death will likely die if they contract COVID-19.

    If these three propositions are accepted as true then please explain the need for state enforced mandatory vaccination. Please explain the need for “vaccine passports.” Please explain the need to threaten job loss, or the curtailment of the right to travel, or the right of free association.

    Please explain the cultivated animosity toward the unvaccinated when it is the unvaccinated who should fear the vaccinated, persons who remain capable of transmitting the virus to all those persons they encounter, the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.

    The recent spike in infections may be attributed to the conduct of the state which has, across numerous jurisdictions, proclaimed “Get vaccinated! Return to normal!”

    This was a false state proclamation and it caused more disease. I have worked for the state, I have had the state as a client, I have witnessed the state break the law (including causing the death of citizens) and have never once experienced the state being held to account. You may have noticed that much of the work published by the Unz Review details this exact phenomenon.

    The paper Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19? found at: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X#sec0085

    contains the following paragraphs:

    The second issue is why the deaths shown on Fig. 2 were not predicted by the clinical trials. We examined the Pfizer trial results (based on a few months of testing) and did not see how (potentially) hundreds of thousands of deaths could have been predicted from the trials’ mortality results. Why this gap?

    As we showed in the clinical trials section, 17.4 % of the Pfizer sample members were over 65, and 4.4 % were over 75. When the later phases of the trials started in late July 2020, the managers knew the COVID-19 age demographics affected from the July 2020 analog of Fig. 1. Rather than sampling from the age region most affected, they sampled mainly from the age region least affected! And even in the very limited sampling from the oldest groups, it is unclear whether they selected from those with the most serious comorbidities. Our impression is that the sickest were excluded from the trials, but were first in line for the inoculants.

    My lay interpretation of this passage is that Pfizer created a novel therapy and knowingly excluded from the late phase of clinical testing those subjects known by Pfizer managers to be most likely to experience adverse effects. In essence Pfizer deliberately designed a study to deliver results most favourable to Pfizer.

    What then is the medical benefit of the vaccine?

    5. Overall conclusions

    The people with myriad comorbidities in the age range where most deaths with COVID-19 occurred were in very poor health. Their deaths did not seem to increase all-cause mortality as shown in several studies. If they hadn’t died with COVID-19, they probably would have died from the flu or many of the other comorbidities they had. We can’t say for sure that many/most died from COVID-19 because of: 1) how the PCR tests were manipulated to give copious false positives and 2) how deaths were arbitrarily attributed to COVID-19 in the presence of myriad comorbidities.

    SOURCE: Ibid

    The PCR tests were never intended for the purpose to which they were put. When applied with an excessive cyclic threshold this caused “copious false positives” These false positives justified an imposed state of terror.

    Arbitrary attribution to COVID-19 was facilitated by the US government making payment of \$50,000 to any institution treating a COVID victim. The profit motive provided all the necessary motive to attribute deaths to this vicious killer. These arbitrary attributions justified an imposed state of error.

    Before mid-March, most Canadians saw COVID-19 as an overseas problem. The emphasis was on returning Canadians stuck in China, and there had been a single COVID-19 death in Canada, a BC man in his 80s with underlying health issues.

    Then, suddenly, the world changed. Within two weeks, practically the entire Canadian economy was locked down. Gatherings were banned, schools and daycares closed, and nearly every business deemed “non-essential” shut down in a bid to slow the virus. Historic job losses followed, 500,000 in the first week alone. By April 13, nearly 6 million Canadians had applied for emergency benefits.(1)

    What happened? On March 16, Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London released an epidemiological model that took the world by storm.(2) The report warned that tens of millions would die in a pandemic that was compared to the Spanish flu, the deadliest epidemic in modern times.

    SOURCE: https://www.iedm.org/the-flawed-covid-19-model-that-locked-down-canada/

    Governments around the world went bat-shit crazy because a member of the Western elite cooked up a model that has very likely caused more human death and suffering than any other known human error.

    With respect to your thesis of a deliberate bio-warfare attack.

    There is evidence that EcoHealth Alliance, a non-profit organization run by Peter Daszak, sought public funding for Gain of Function research (GoF) and for the creation of infectious viral aerosols. The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) was to undertake the work funded by Daszak’s US government grant money. There is reason to believe Fauci was aware of these facts and that Fauci lied in his testimony to Congress, a felony offence.

    I ask you to contemplate the fact that the US military is seeking increased funding to prepare for combat with a near peer in Asia. At the same time Daszak, and others, sought to finance work in China that has direct military applications. Your tax dollars at work!

    I suspect the Chinese government was unaware of the Daszak proposals and the connection to WIV and their subsequent discovery of these facts has contributed to their reticence on the issues. It is always embarrassing for the left hand to discover it is unaware of what the right is up to.

    Since it was known to the US government that the WIV was not operating to the required standard for a BSL-4 laboratory (apparently much of the WIV virus investigation was conducted in a BSL-2 lab which is the standard expected of your dentist’s office) then one has to examine the possibility the entire operation was a set-up. Get the Chinese to undertake dangerous GoF research in an inadequate lab and when it all blows up in their face embarrass them to the world. There is some suggestion that Daszak has a CIA role but that is not confirmed.

  35. Anon62 says:
    @JimDandy

    resulting in massive payouts to unknown investors.

    Agreed.

    But the FBI is too busy building cases against flyover country participants in January 6th to devote any resources to those persons in a position to reap a windfall from their inside knowledge.

    Fauci is reported to be the highest paid civil servant (several grades above the President) and Daszak of the Eco-Health Alliance pays himself in excess of \$400,000 per year for his genius in sourcing government grants.

    All of the above demonstrate the level of competence expected of government work.

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  36. I am hopeful that that a shift in public belief is underway at last. If we lived in someplace other than in ClownWorld, Ron Unz would be nominated for a Nobel Prize or its equivalent (most such prizes in ClownWorld are reserved for frauds, liars and criminals as it stands). The series of articles published here on the origins have been way ahead of all others. Even experienced science writers like Wade are only now starting to catch up – proof of the old adage that a lie is halfway around the world before the truth even gets its pants on.

    • Agree: Bubba
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  37. BaronAsh says:

    Congratulations @ron on raising questions.
    Clearly what happened in Iran was most likely a targeted biowarfare attack.
    Quite possibly what happened in Wuhan was an American-delivered biowarfare attack.
    Quite possibly China decided to deflect it via Chinese New Year travel, the most high volume international travel period each year in the world and especially in Europe to and from Italy where several hundred thousand Chinese now live working in the textile manufacturing industry there.

    However, it is highly unlikely that the extremely similar and wrong-footed responses (locking down, wearing ineffective surgical or cloth masks, cleaning surfaces, closing down small businesses and beaches, churches but not casinos and WalMart etc, suppressing therapeutics, accelerating vaccine production of a new type never before extensively tested (or pretending to rapidly develop something long in the pipeline?) and which has already produced more adverse reactions than all other vaccines added together over many decades… it is highly unlikely that all this is purely the result of stupidity and administrative over-reach in multiple separate jurisdictions without any international coordination. Rather it is more likely part of an overall asymmetric war campaign that is not between traditional nation state players such as ‘China’ and the ‘United States.’

    Rather one side has China and various globally linked networks – which probably includes the US Intelligence matrix – or at least a serious faction within – and thus also the 5-Eyes Intelligence networks (the same thing essentially), various Big Tech and Big Corporate networks (again saying the same thing given how long we have known that FB, Google etc. are private sector shops fronting for Intelligence who created them) and various factions of the military-industrial complex both in the US and worldwide, not to mention the ‘Anglo-Zionist’ financial networks looming behind and above the whole stinking mess.

    The other side is those who, generally speaking, want ‘we the people’ constitutions, countries, republics with robust common law sovereignty underpinning all Law which is based on Consent, not-too-big governments, no Empires and generally would prefer more local government and less large federal or international governments. You know, the hobbits, aka ‘the rest of us.’

    You describe Conservative Treehouse mainly as a Trump-supporting site. Rather it is the fact that Trump tapped into people who like that site (and others like it) who have been waiting for some sort of ‘take our country back’ movement and leader (that’s what the Tea Party movement was about a decade ago) to save them from the slow cultural degradation that has been ongoing for decades and has of late been reaching critical mass – at least from their point of view. Their fervent support of Trump has little to do with him per se and much more to do with their desperate yearning for salvation from their country and culture collapsing which they see as an increasingly imminent occurrence, especially since the blatant theft of the 2020 Election.

    Now you may disagree with such people, but it would be nice if more intelligent voices like yours could persuade them that their fears are unfounded rather than generally dismissing them as stupid Trump cultists. Again: Trump did not create his following, rather he tapped into the silent majority who are hoping to rescue their country. Personally, I think they are entirely justified in being alarmed. They are under attack. There is a cultural war. And they have been losing it now for decades.

    And as far as I can tell, whether you put it in terms mainly relevant to Americans (who will tend to talk about election fraud and next elections more than foreigners will) or mainly relevant to western-style nation states all over the world, it seems that ‘we the people’ are the main enemy of one side which wants to establish a different type of world order which some have been describing as ‘techno-feudal.’

    So although I think you have raised excellent points, I believe you are mistaken in remaining stuck in the nation state level view in which either it is America or China doing the biowarfare. Actually, it came out over the weekend that the US Military also funded the Wuhan lab to the tune of 6 million USD or something – which goes a lot further in a rural lab in Wuhan than it does in Virginia.

    What I think is more likely is that the disease was released from Wuhan lab as part of globalist asymmetric war move. The Chinese government can credibly blame the US, and the US can credibly blame the Chinese, both sides covering up their globalist collusion. Covid is probably more of an initial softening up barrage akin to artillery in conventional warfare featuring armies facing each other in the field. There will be other attacks probably involving finance, kinetic war between nation states (China-Taiwan anyone?), supply chain disruptions, media/internet cancellations, power failures and who knows what else. If this was so coordinated, again words like ‘China’ and ‘America’ are more obfuscatory than helpful.

    Finally, I suspect your excess deaths are fuzzy numbers. Why? The average age of those dying – at least in the West – is slightly above the average of death in normal times. Further, it has been widely reported that most of the people who die from it have serious co-morbidities. In other words, those dying of covid are those who were likely to die in the near future anyway. If most people dying have co-morbidities, then the death count shouldn’t really be all that much higher than usual. For the true death count to go up substantially, many people who usually wouldn’t die in any given year would need to be dying, i.e.. those considerably beneath the average age at death.

    As it happens, the vaccinated are dying in greater numbers when considerably beneath the typical death age, either in normal times or during covid or those reported in the Covid death columns.

    Something doesn’t add up, does it? We all need to see the excess death of younger people without co-morbidities. I have never seen such lists. I also want an explanation of how total death goes up so much if most of those dying from covid were at death’s door anyway. I do not trust what we have been told thus far, even when it comes from eminently trustworthy sources such as yourself.

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  38. anarchyst says:

    There have been many claims about the origin of viruses, especially today’s latest
    “COVID-19 coronavirus”.

    However, there is a long history of viruses throughout human history and false claims as to their points of origin.

    In fact, the “1918 Spanish flu” virus actually originated in the United States of America and was spread to Europe during the First World War, transmitted by the U. S. military during American military transports to Europe. The commonly-accepted misinformation that this virus originated in Europe is false and can easily be disproven by careful research.

    A majority of “1918 Spanish flu pandemic” deaths were not from the virus itself, but were from the then common practice of mask-wearing. In fact, “mask-wearers” were being buried by non-mask-wearers. In fact, the esteemed “Dr.” Fauci conducted a study approximately four years ago which came to that conclusion.

    You see, just as is the case today, breathing in one’s own exhalations is dangerous and is being promoted by the misguided government-imposed mandates to wear masks.

    [MORE]

    99% of the deaths during the “1918 Spanish flu pandemic” were a result of bacterial pneumonia, NOT from the virus itself. As there were no treatments for bacterial pneumonia in those days, the death rate was horrendously high. Those who contracted the flu, but not pneumonia survived. As is the case today, almost everyone that dies with COVID-19 dies from complications from other causes, NOT from the virus itself.

    Fast forward to today, with our latest “COVID-19 pandemic”.

    Today’s “Chinese COVID-19 pandemic” actually originated at the American bioweapons research facility at Fort Detrick Maryland and was purposely brought to China by an American military “trade delegation” where it was released into the Chinese population. Biowarfare at its worst…

    The “COVID-19 vaccines” being pushed are “game changers” as they are replete with substances which will materially change human DNA, unlike previous vaccines which were merely weakened or killed virus remnants which would evoke a protective antibody response.

    Sound familiar?

    Today’s “COVID-19 pandemic” is actually a “plandemic” being used to take down a legally elected president and to usher in a “new world order” in which medical tyranny will be used to subjugate an entire world population, using FEAR as a weapon.

    Today’s “pandemic” is misnamed as it does not meet the definition of a “pandemic” but is being touted as such for political reasons—nothing more. Observe non-medical types such as Bill Gates and others touting untested vaccines with questionable substances, mask-wearing, and other social restrictions such as (selective) business closures, lockdowns and social distancing.

    For one, Bill Gates is not a “doctor”, has no medical training, and is a major proponent of “depopulation”–genocide. Gates is a “silver spoon” recipient, both of his parents being proponents of forced sterilization and eventual world depopulation.

    In fact, Bill Gates’ “vaccination schemes” have resulted in not only diseases being spread, but the use of birth-control and sterilization agents surreptitiously being a part of Gates’ “vaccination” schemes without “informed consent” being a part of the vaccination protocol speaks VOLUMES. Recipients of Gates’ “vaccines” were not informed that they were being sterilized—a violation of the Nuremberg protocols on “informed consent”.

    It is easy to see that there is much more going on than a response to a minor seasonal “flu virus”.

    Its about CONTROL and eventual human genocide—nothing more.

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

  39. Notsofast says:
    @Quartermaster

    ralph baric a professor with unc chapel hill is a long time researcher of the coronavirus and has conducted many coronavirus related studies with the u.s. army medical research institute of infectious diseases as well as the integrated research facility both located in ft. detrick. he specializes in reverse genetics of coronaviruses modifying the genetic structure of the virus and creating more deadly variations also known as gain of function research. fauci used a period between directors of the h.h.s. to claim that the directorless institution had recommended a return to gain of function research in late 2017 and unc chapel hill restarted barics research once again. fauci would also claim in 2017 that the trump administration would face a major pandemic during his time in office. add to this operation crimson contagion in jan 2019 and event 201 in oct 2019 and a clear picture begins to emerge of the engineered nature of the entire dark plan

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  40. @Mevashir

    IMO, Trump was duped/conned early and often by the ‘Medical and Intelligence Authorities.’ He had little choice other than go along with (((Their))) plan and recommendations. He may have surely sniffed Fauci as a ‘Rat’ but was between a rock and a hard place.

  41. @Ron Unz

    Covid is a disease of the Elderly, who should be the focus of protection, not the general population.

    [MORE]
    John Ioannidis has done a nice meta-analysis of Infection Fatality Rate of Covid (based on seroprevalence of Covid antibodies (thus an overestimate of IFR, since many infected show no antibodies titers): “In people younger than 70 years, infection fatality rates ranged from 0.00% to 0.31% with crude and corrected medians of 0.05%.” This is a global estimate of IFR. apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/340124/PMC7947934.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

    Norway has recently re-opened, noting the lethality (excepting the Elderly) is like influenza. The UK seems a bit wishywashy, reopening but reserving the right to (over)react. Much reviled Sweden seems the leader now, supplementing their natural immunity with vaccines

    While the stats of the US are politicized and propagandized (and frankly untrustworthy and intentionally obtuse), other countries make their Covid data accessible, and show a way out of the pandemic.

    Israel’s Covid work has been well covered. Their researchers have answered important questions, particularly about Natural Immunity (accepted now in Europe as alternative to the Spike Protein (S1) vaccines for travel and event “passports”). Israel also gave us boosters.

    Most countries are looking at vaccinating as many as possible, and protecting the Elderly, with improved treatments (drugs coming, maybe) and hospitalizations. They accept that many will have breakthrough infections (Iceland a good example) but hope that the vaccines protect and the breakthrough Covid will provide natural immunity. As the head of Iceland’s Public Health noted “VACCINE herd immunity is impossible”, but natural immunity can produce general populational immunity.

    I follow Singapore, who like other SE Asian countries did a remarkable job of keeping Covid under control for a year, with great border containment, quarantining and contact tracing of what little virus got in. The delta variant has broken through, but 82% are now vaccinated (more if you count Sinovac as well as Pfizer and Moderna) Their Ministry of Health gives daily updates of outbreaks, as well as serious cases, and deaths (and the victims’ ages and vaccination status.) What is notable is that almost every Singaporean Covid death (113 so far) is between age 60 and 100 years old (a 50 year old dying from Covid, an outlier, made headlines there). Of serious cases, requiring oxygen, about 95% are over age 60 (over 200 serious cases yesterday). The age is the primary “co-morbidity” (and they have recently stopped reporting medical histories of victims). A bit surprisingly, many fully vaccinated (25- 30% or so) are among the Covid dead; the vaccine still protects from death but ~85-95% not the 99.9% nonsense for pushing vaccinations in the US. They seem to be accepting the deaths, similar or less than produced by other epidemics in their past.

    I think Unz makes a great case that our spooks infected Iranian leaders in a concerted effort at biowarfare. But this could have been from samples gathered in China, possibly passaged in a lab, but not initially made in a US lab. You need more receipts, which after Fauci and his cadre of virologists muddied the water for over a year, will be difficult to uncover. Recent estimates suggest Covid appeared in Wuhan in mid September. I would speculate that an innocuous common cold coronovirus was “optimized” by insertion of the infamous furin cleavage site and became the original SARS-CoV2, and “escaped” , probably in an asymptomatic or mild case, that did not raise alarms. It only hammers the Elderly! (and the seriously ill probably contribute 5% of Covid victims.)

    (As an aside, not sure where Unz gets 15 million deaths? worldometers.com says 4.8 million– still a lot. My Indian colleagues say their Covid death rate is undercounted by 50% to 100%, so maybe as much as a million Indians have died from Covid rather than the official 500,000; the repercussions of Covid in India are likely more important (starvation, collapse of marginal local economies, black fungus lead to more deaths, but not directly due to Covid.)

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    • Thanks: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  42. Adrian E. says:

    It is certainly thinkable that a virus with relatively low lethality (but still high compared to many other widespread diseases) is released as a bioweapon if the main goal is economic disruption. That the first large outbreaks were in China and Iran in principle fits suspicions about an American bioweapon attack.

    But it would seem odd that Americans planning such an attack with a highly infectious virus with the goal to cause economic disruption in China and Iran would have thought that the US would be spared. One possible explanation might be that based on the experience with earlier SARS and MERS pandemics, it was thought that the new virus would spread less easily. But a virus with the relatively low lethality of SARS-Cov2 and lower infectuousness (and spread only by symptomatic patients) would hardly cause as much disruption that the risk of a bioweapon attack that might be discovered would seem worthwhile.

    Possible explanations might be that the virus turned out to be very diffeent from what was expected, that those who planned the sophisticated bioweapon attack were completely clueless as to the preparedness of different countries for such a pandemic, that is all possible, but seems rather far-fetched. That the mRNA vaccines were developed quickly does not really increase the suspicion because they still went through the lengthy testing process, so that it did not change the fact that the US and Western Europe failed miserably with their response to the pandemic, while China excelled. It would be very different if a small, contained outbreak had been engineered in Western countries beforehand, a vaccine had been developed and already tested and produced, so that it would have been ready from the beginning of the larger pandemic, but that was obviously not the case. If there had been secret vaccinations of „elites“ long before vaccines had been approved, that would obviously increase the suspicions, but to my knowledge, there is no indication of this, and it would be highly risky, anyway – either, only a very small elite group would have had to be vaccinated early or it would have been impossible to keep secret.

    If the bioweapon attack theory was true (which I consider not very likely), explanations that imply that the disruption with the US was actually wanted rather than an accident therefore seem to be more plausible.

    In any case, if there was a US bioweapon attack (which I doubt), it would be extremely unlikely that the virus was spread from the laboratory in Wuhan. It is not so unlikely that the US might somehow manage to smuggle dangerous research projects to Chinese universities – after all, despite strained relations, there is still scientific collaboration. But if a virus was engineered in a Chinese laboratory on behalf of the US, it would be very difficult to hide all tracks after the outbreak. There may not be perfect surveillance all the time, but the institute in Wuhan is under the control of the Chinese authorities, and they would almost certainly have used all available plausible evidence for accusations against the US after scrutiny after the outbreak. The idea that they would refrain from accusing the US because it would mean that Chinese security measures against such a bioweapon attack had been insufficient, seems highly unlikely, as does the idea that there is a secret plot of the US secret service with the Chinese authorities.

    If there was a US bioweapon attack against China, the military games in Wuhan or any random location that would be hard to identify afterwards would therefore be a far more plausible candidate for the start of the epidemic in China than the laboratory in Wuhan (for which, as a source of the pandemic there is still not the slightest evidence, even though many people in the US desperately try to create the opposite impression while they lack concrete facts on which they could base their claims).

    Certainly, a bioweapon attack cannot be ruled out altogether on the basis of available evidence. But on the whole, a zoonotic disease like many previous ones seems far more likely. In particular, a zoonotic disease seems far more likely than the likelihood assigned to it by what the public discourse seems to have shifted towards in the US and other Western countries.

    The reason why I claim this is that the arguments of leading lab leak proponents contain clear fallacies that are rarely pointed out.

    One obvious fallacy is that lab leak proponents with extreme eagerness point to the wet market, even though the initial idea that it might have been the place of the first transmission to humans had mostly been given up for a long time because only some, but not all early cases had a connection to that place. The reason why lab leak proponents have such a strong fixation on that wet market is because that allows them to present the question as if the virus came either from the wet market or from the virology lab, and that way they think they can coax people into believing that any argument against the wet market as the original source is an argument in favor of the virology lab as the source, which is obvious nonsense.

    Even more egregious nonsense is the „argument“ of Nicholas Wade against the origin among similar bat viruses that had been doscovered in Yunnan province that it is more than 500 kilometers away and that bats generally don’t fly that far. I don’t know if Nicholas Wade is really that stupid or if he wants to propose the lab leak theory for ideological reasons and is therefore ready to write things that must be recognizable as utterly stupid also by himself. Obviously the more relevant scenario is not that a bat flew that far from Yunnan province to Wuhan, but that people in a rural area of Yunnan province, where there is close contact between humans and bats (or an intermediate host) were infected, but did not have strong symptoms, that there were no fitting conditions for superspreading in that area, but then an infected person travelled to Wuhan, one of the largest cities in China and an important transport hub and that in that large city, unlike a small village in Yunnan province, there were appropriate conditions for superspreading. There is absolutely nothing unusual about such a scenario. Of course, we don’t know for sure that this is what happened. But it is obviously utter nonsense when Nicholas Wade pretends the only relevant way a zoonotic disease could arrive from Yunnan province to Wuhan would be by bats flying from Yunnan province to Wuhan rather than by travelling humans, and only on the basis of this absurd faulty thinking can Nicholas Wade discount the spread of a zoonotic disease as unlikely.

    Of course, a lab leak or a bioweapon attack is still not completely ruled out. But when we consider that even such utter nonsense by people like Nicholas Wade is astonishingly taken seriously by many, a strong shift away from lab leak theories towards more acceptance of the idea of a zoonotic disease would, in my view, be the most reasonable reaction.

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  43. @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    I don’t believe (((It’s))) killed 15 million world wide and over a million in the US. Co-morbid conditions killed most of those especially the elderly.

    For those elderly, COVID was the ‘last stick’ you put on a pile of pick-up-sticks before it collapses….or the last block you put on a pile of Jenga blocks before it collapses.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
    • Thanks: Trinity
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    , @Tucker
    , @St-Germain
  44. Voltarde says:

    This publication highlights how easy it is for a lab-cultured microorganism to escape (in this case, escape of a strain of bacteria, not a virus).

    Genomic population structure associated with repeated escape of Salmonella enterica ATCC14028s from the laboratory into nature
    https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1009820

    In one case in 1984 it was also used for bioterrorism by followers of Bhaghwan Shree Rashneesh, who contaminated salad bars in multiple restaurants in Oregon with S. enterica in a failed attempt to influence local elections.

  45. @Ron Unz

    The evidence of a US biological agression against China comes from the warning given to the personal of the US bases in SE Asia. There could have been a lab-leak, but in Fort Detrick, not in Wuhan. And the virus release in China was done on purpose during the military games.

    Now what are the death rates in the USA?

    In France there was in 2020 no higher mortality for people under 65 yo. And people are blackmailed to get a vaccin, when there is no much choice for the vaccin. Free market? No, corruption. The money is not lost for everybody.

  46. A123 says: • Website

    However, that unfortunate situation may now be starting to change. Just a couple of days ago, an influential MAGA/Trumpist website called The Conservative Treehouse published a 1,400 word piece strongly suggesting that America’s “Fourth Branch of Government,” namely our intelligence services, were quite possibly responsible for the Covid epidemic

    The motives suggested are somewhat different from my own, with the alleged goal being to help ensure Trump’s defeat for reelection, and other details are also at variance with my analysis. But these are secondary matters of little importance

    It is a good piece (∆), but the link to Pompeo is weak.

    Key points to consider:
        • This makes no sense as a national attack
        • Individuals, such as Dr. Fauci, had direct links to WIV
        • The Wuhan Institute Virology is still #1 probability as the source of the virus

    So the question becomes, “Did the anti-American Deep State exploit weak CCP controls at WIV to arrange the release?”

    This makes much more sense than contrived stories about the World Military Games. Neither China nor the U.S. benefited from this mess. China is arguably in worse shape: (1)

    There are over 60 container ships full of import cargo stuck offshore of Los Angeles and Long Beach, but there are more than double that — 154 as of Friday — waiting to load export cargo off Shanghai and Ningbo in China, according to eeSea, a company that analyzes carrier schedules.

    The number of container ships anchored off Shanghai and Ningbo has surged over recent weeks. There are now 242 container ships waiting for berths countrywide.

    President Trump had nothing to do with the release, and it was not an American bio weapon. Chairman Xi had nothing to do with the release and it was not a Chinese bio weapon.

    Does the CCP deserve blame for taking money to perform research that would have been illegal at a U.S laboratory? It was certainly unwise.

    Were SJW/DNC Globalists, who hate America and broke U.S. law, involved? It is certainly plausible.

    Rhetoric blaming Main Street America for an anti-American event is ludicrous. Blaming anti-American, anti-MAGA DNC Elites (who happen to live in the U.S.) is much more precise and credible.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (∆) I have no connection to CTH. Using the “website” feature on UR to promote that site is a token of respect.

    (1) https://www.freightwaves.com/news/container-ships-now-piling-up-at-anchorages-off-chinas-ports

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  47. Is the tide turning on . . .

    A turning tide here would eventually surge over people like Bill Gates instead of ordinary earthlings so very very probably not. P~.001 or even less.

    See the report about we are an empire now and we create reality and the rest of you react.

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  48. @Mevashir

    Some people would rather print out and read longer articles rather than staring at the screen. Word count is informative.

    • Agree: Rogue
    • Replies: @SafeNow
  49. The late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan??

    Wherever it began, it was endemic in the US and Northern Europe before the Wuhan outbreak.

    The dates and numbers in the chart, below, are from the CDC and the WHO.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: emersonreturn
  50. You’ve not been alone for sure. My small voice has never let up this theme from the outset. I knew the cure for ALL corona-viruses and obtained a good supply of quinine, zinc and azithromycin before anyone else had heard of it and mere weeks before it was removed for sale out of India and everywhere online and clamped down in prescriptions. That due to following the science. An early Chinese lab report. To me there was never any doubt it came out of the USA, for many reasons but above all for the fact that all five known (at the time) strains were identified in the USA, while China had not identified but the one.

    We do now know for a fact that it was paid for with US taxpayer dollars, which labs worked on it and exactly where every dollar went. Along with all the patents. It puzzles me that Ron Unz continues to write as if there is a question about any of this. Could you please give some attention to Dr David Martin’s presentation and take the information into account. It does confirm it’s provenance. The bioweapon however is not the virus. The bioweapon, the target of 20 years gain of function research is the spike protein. The basis of the deadly so-called vaccines. Only by understanding this can one put all the pieces together. especially what we’re now seeing.


    https://catherineedwards.life/aiovg_videos/a-manufactured-illusion-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich-9-7-21/

    • Replies: @David from Alaska
  51. DaveE says:

    I still think that Dr. Fauci, that skilled politician when it comes to “explaining” the Cov virus, should be hauled in front of an investigative committee……….

    I think that dirty lying weasel should be hauled out in front of a firing squad. Well, front, back, sideways …… I don’t really care.

    • Agree: Rabbitnexus
    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  52. @Ron Unz

    If it was an economy disrupting weapon released by the U.S. then it was an incredibly inept attempt since the theoretical blow-back has exceeded any possible strategic goal.

    However, we are talking about the same people who planned and waged the Global War on Terror, which is definitely the most idiotic empire building exercise in the history of mankind. It takes a special kind of dedication to utterly fritter away global hegemon status in a couple of brief decades.
    Therefore, I really can’t consider any hare brained lunatic scheme outside the realm of possibility, when it comes to our government.

    Still, it seems a stretch to imagine that even people within our government could be feckless enough to imagine that it wasn’t going to make it back to the old USA and wreak havoc. Personally, I would tend toward believing that if intentionally released it is intended to “cleanse” the economy of excess elderly or that is was in fact accidental.

    • Replies: @Weaver
    , @Ron Unz
  53. I personally believe that the evidence, as currently available, puts the probability of a lab leak from the WIV or the two other biolabs at Wuhan at 0.9, that what was leaked was the result of ‘gain-of-function’ studies at 0.8, and that it had been weaponized, either by the U.S. or the PRC, at 0.6.

    The indications that Dascik and others did a massive coordination, if not conspiracy, to ash-can the lab leak hypothesis, gives credence to the hypothesis that U.S. virologists were in fact responsible for the ‘lab leak’, either accidentally, or intentionally.

    On the other hand, the fact that PRC officials, after November 2019, elaborately concealed and otherwise took offline the data bases of viral research at the WIV, gives credence to the belief that the lab-leak was an accident at the WIV, and that PRC officials were covering their collective backsides. Had it been a bio-weapons operation on the part of the U.S. or of some alphabet agency going off the reservation, then it would have been to the PRC’s interest to come clean about their researches, if only to indicate that they were not the guilty parties.

    The fact that BOTH U.S. and Chinese virologists were willing to go to elaborate steps to conceal their own part in the lab leak, is simply more confirmation that there had been a joint venture between CDC, NiH, and WIV to conduct ‘gain of function’, and perhaps, recombo studies, on bat coronavirides, and that something nasty got loose. It is possible, though, that one of the other biolabs at Wuhan, which had a reputation of decades in doing bio-weapons research, might have had a hand in matters.

    The fact that Iran and Italy were among the first international spots to be hit by the pandemic, however, means little, at least as far as a bioweapons attack is concerned. Wuhan was a major Chinese airport hub, and the lads at DRASTIC have been able to determine a direct subway connection between the WIV and Wuhan International Airport. The PRC had extensive dealings with both Tehran and Italy, and direct flights between WIA and both Tehran and Italy. In short, stuff happened.

    Thus, with the present state of knowledge, while a bioweapons attack by the U.S. against China would be a valid conjecture, the main chance is that the pandemic was a result of a mutual eff-up by both CDC, NiH, and WIV.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  54. RestiveUs says:
    @Weaver

    In my opinion, the origin of this contagion pales in comparison to the corrupt mismanagement of the ongoing “pandemic”. The flawed PCR testing, the misrepresentations of true causes of death, the patent trail uncovered by Dr. David Martin, the suppression of effective treatments like ivermectin, HCQ, the constant mandating of untested vaccines, etc. This all points toward a profit motive driven by fear. You can’t tell me that was all just collateral opportunism.

  55. Bubba says:
    @Mevashir

    He should have fired Fauci and his numbnuts son-in-law Jared.

  56. Tor597 says:

    Spars pandemic scenario is eerily similar to what is happening now. This is a simulation from John Hopkins all the way back to 2017. This touches on everything from a SARS like infection and a vaccine called corovax. They discuss the reluctance of everyone to take the vaccine and even say that the vaccine has unknown side effects that only emerge years down the line.

    https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/Center-projects/completed-projects/spars-pandemic-scenario.html

    I agree with your assessment Unz. Even guys like Jimmy Dore are starting to question the mainstream narrative and suspect conspiracy now.

  57. Weaver says:
    @Barbarossa

    In case the tweet doesn’t post:

    Julian Assange speaking in 2011: “The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war”

    Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war" #Afghanistan pic.twitter.com/Hg3qVzABBg— WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) August 18, 2021

    If profit was the goal, then the War on Terror has been a great success maybe.

  58. I seriously doubt 15 million died from the disease, given the wild inaccuracy of PCR tests coupled with the practice of hospitals blaming every death from every disease on the virus as long as the flawed PCR test said they were positive.

  59. Ron Unz says:
    @johnnyuinta

    I don’t believe (((It’s))) killed 15 million world wide and over a million in the US.

    Well, that estimate is based upon the total number of “excess deaths” in various countries. There’s a long analysis in The Economist, and I linked to it when I cited the 15 million death figure above. The most solid estimates seem to be that something like 4-5 million people have died from Covid in India alone.

  60. Weaver says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Anything is possible, but I need to read Ron Unz’s huge article with all its many links to have an opinion. See the reply he posted near the beginning to see what I mean. It will take me ~a week if not two.

    Regarding the lab leak theory, Zerohedge broke the story early last year, and then others capitulated. It’s possible Zerohedge’s lab leak theory is wrong. Anything is possible. But currently, many believe it true.

  61. bossel says:

    https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1MYGNnZZdknGw

    “Lab leak or natural origin? Scientists discuss how the #COVID19 pandemic began.”

    You might actually learn something beyond conspiracy idiocies about the Wuhan virus.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  62. Ron Unz says:
    @Barbarossa

    If it was an economy disrupting weapon released by the U.S. then it was an incredibly inept attempt since the theoretical blow-back has exceeded any possible strategic goal.

    However, we are talking about the same people who planned and waged the Global War on Terror, which is definitely the most idiotic empire building exercise in the history of mankind.

    Sure. My own strong suspicious is that the attack was orchestrated by a small group of the Deep State Neocons near the top of the Trump Administration, with Mike Pompeo and John Bolton being the most likely suspects. Here’s an outline of my own speculative scenario:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#outline-of-the-hypothetical-biowarfare-attack-scenario

    One thing to keep in mind is America has had one of the largest and most aggressive biowarfare programs for the last 50-60 years, and it’s sometimes backfired with disastrous consequences. For example, during the 1950s and 1960s, America developed a Wheat Rust fungal strain intended to destroy the Soviet wheat harvest, but it twice leaked out and devastated much of the American wheat harvest instead. Here’s my long recent article on those issues:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/

  63. Ron Unz says:
    @obwandiyag

    I seriously doubt 15 million died from the disease, given the wild inaccuracy of PCR tests coupled with the practice of hospitals blaming every death from every disease on the virus as long as the flawed PCR test said they were positive.

    This is not a thread for discussing whether Covid is actually dangerous or not, and such comments will probably get trashed, but I’ll reply to this single one.

    You’re totally confused on the issue. Estimating total Covid deaths has absolutely nothing to do with the PCR test or the reported cause of death. You simply look at total “excess deaths” from normal years, and that gives you a reasonable estimate of how many people died from Covid.

    For example, total American deaths during 2020 were more than 500,000 higher than the figures for the previous five or six years, during which the numbers had been fairly similar. So unless you believe that our government is hiding 500,000 extra suicides or 500,000 extra homicides, they probably mostly died from Covid.

  64. TKK says:

    Dear Ron and other Science Minded Readers,

    Have you done a cost/benefit analysis or deep research regarding the possible danger of getting a vaccine?

    A troubling new misery has arisen in America- many physicians treat you with open contempt if you not been vaccinated.

    Dentist refused a crown appointment due my non vaccinated state, and my PCP basically berated me for 20 minutes that he thought ” I was smarter than this.”

    At this point, I personally know of a 47, 49 and a 60 that have died from Covid last week, but they were obese. I also know of a 55 year old man who was *not* obese but was extremely fit who died from Covid at Duke University Hospital, after his savvy and well connected family rushed him there- believing this higher standard of care would save him. It did not.

    Are the vaccines an attempt to put the genie back in the bottle, after releasing it to remove Trump or other nefarious machinations? If the virus is man made, the “code” is known to trigger immunity?

  65. Nancy says:
    @Weaver

    Quite an assumption to glibly slip in there -“Fauci unintentionally”. Any possible evidence for that ‘UNintentionally’ bombshell? Especially in light of his prior handling of the AIDS situation? (He’s been ‘doing this’ for a looooonng time.)

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  66. @Justin Thyme

    That’s a modern creation. It is only made to look dated. Can’t remember if they used original clips spliced together but it is only a year or so old.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  67. It certainly had to involve a coordinated effort by a vast army of leading figures from top ranks of governments and (BIGs) from around the world. Otherwise, how would they be able to pull it off so effortlessly. I mean, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that the whole damn thing is a global power grab that’s still being played out right before our eyes.
    The only news flash I’m waiting for is when they tell us all our assets have been digitally seized to prevent a run on banks. But don’t worry, you will be reimbursed pennies to the dollar once a new global currency is introduced.
    And that is how this whole episode begins our new world order with globalhomo, BLM and the nose as our new overlords.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  68. @Bernard Brandt

    We really do have all the paper trail of where it came from. Who worked on it and every dollar spent. (\$1.91 billion) There were a number of labs that worked on the gain of function research leading to not the virus, but the SPIKE PROTEIN. Just look at what David Martin has to say. Also who he is.

    https://catherineedwards.life/aiovg_videos/a-manufactured-illusion-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich-9-7-21/

    Not only Wuhan, but also an Australian lab worked on this. Fauci has been heading it for 20 years. It isn’t the US Government or state apparatus. It is billionaires using these to their own ends. Which for the record are unspeakably evil.

  69. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Most of the evidence is that the fatality rate is greater than 0.5%, though extremely skewed by age.

    Excerpt from, Studies on Covid-19 Lethality:

    [MORE]

    1) Antibody studies

    The covid infection fatality rate (IFR) depends on demographics (age and risk structure), public policies (e.g. protection of care homes), and medical treatment quality. In most Western countries, the median age of covid deaths is 80+ years and about 50% of deaths occurred in care homes (s.b.)
    For comparison, the IFR of seasonal influenza, against which prior immunity and vaccines exist, is about 0.05% to 0.1%; the IFR of epidemic and medium pandemic influenza, such as in 1936, 1951, 1957 and 1968, is about 0.3%; the IFR of the 1918 pandemic influenza was about 2%. (Source)

    Based on the following table, it’s safe to say the overall IFR for the US is NOT greater than 0.5%…

    https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/

  70. Now we know the Chinese suddenly ordered a lot of PCR tests in early 2019…..

    In any case, this was a laboratory created virus that either leaked or was released. Dumping the natural origin narrative was the first step to understanding what happened.

    Was it created at WIV after being originally studied at UNC? Likely. Did the US Deep State, in conjunction with NGOs and American oligarchs help create it? Likely. Who in China is connected to the lab? It appears individuals connected to Xi’s predecessor.

    Was it an accidental leak or an intentional release? Most likely intentional. What was the intent? Weaken Xi, defeat Trump, and push the Davos Great Reset seems the most likely overall intent.

    Alternatively, there is a small possibility that Gates and Fauci and their cabal just took advantage of the situation, But the narrative push for a natural origin when they all knew, from recent FOIA emails, that it was lab created.

    Ron’s World Military Games idea always seemed far fetched and still seems so….

  71. @Kuru

    I would surmise that the American Deep State has numerous ‘variants’ just awaiting release. Usually a virus becomes more transmissible and less virulently dangerous as time goes by, but the propaganda liars are beginning to refute that history, so, look out for ‘omega’.

    • Replies: @EdwardM
  72. @Weaver

    Zerohedge is VICIOUSLY racist and Sinophobic. I wouldn’t give their shite ANY credence, regarding China.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  73. @Random Anonymous

    Agit-prop confected by ‘former’ ‘intelligence’ agents from the US, UK and Austfailia, ie USUKA. You sucker!!!!!

  74. Dear Mr. Unz,

    You quite correctly point out three-letter agency foreknowledge of the imminent “pandemic”, but there’s also another group of misfits that evidently had prior knowledge which was showcased in their October 2019 Event 201.

    I wouldn’t personally discount your analysis, but suggest what you have divined might be part of a larger scheme. Wheels within wheels, so to speak. Layers of an onion.

    In that sense, it may be that the military and political types are being used – “played” – by a bunch of psycopathic dynasties or even Satanists who have been scheming up all these things for centuries. Surely you understand the potential for such things.

    That scenario leaves the hidden culprits with an escape route built on plausible deniability and a substitute villain should their plans ever go pear-shaped.

    Meanwhile, Cyber Polygon (to quote a certain well-known cockroach, “a global cyber attack with COVID characteristics”) has yet to go “live” – although there are now rumblings of an imminent global supply chain collapse in the leadup to Christmas 2021.

    Just saying.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  75. @Ron Unz

    The most solid estimates seem to be that something like 4-5 million people have died from Covid in India alone.

    I like The Economist but, as of today, per worldometer, declared total deaths in India due to Covi9 19 is <500,000. Their graph shows daily deaths have been declining since last June. I read elsewhere the vaccination rate against Covid 19 in India so far is <<10%. How does this square with the hype here in USA?

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/

    I believe there were "excess deaths" (mostly of the obese, ill and aged) in 2020 in quite a few countries. But not Sweden. Why? They got tarred by mainstream media in all of Western Civilization for not subjecting their people to radical lockdown. Sorry, something else is going on and it did not stop with a biodrop back in 2019.

    • Agree: Marcion
  76. Raches says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Given that very low fatality rate Covid obviously wasn’t designed as an anti-personnel bioweapon, but very likely an anti-economy bioweapon…

    I infer that you are avoiding anything that could unintentionally come off as alarmist; and I do not wish to be alarmist, either.  That said—I think that Covid proves in practice the Law of Unintended Consequences as applied to biological weapons.  As you have pointed out repeatedly in some of your long essays, the destruction wrought by Covid seems to have gone in the opposite direction¹ of what its most probable creators most probably intended:  It did to America more or less what seems to have been intended for China.

    Biological weapons are the most uncontrollable type of weapon ever conceived.  The behavior of a pathogen in the wild may differ wildly from what is observed in the lab, and what is predicted by epidemiology.  And evolution works.  Variants will develop, in ways that cannot be adequately predicted.

    It is quite possible that a doomsday weapon could be made by accident, and released with the intention of being “only” an economic weapon with relatively low fatalities.  (I do not even want to speculate on what could happen with the next Covid variant…)  So, what does the no-longer-so-secret bioweapons program have next in its development pipeline?  There is already a credible suspicion that Covid was (at least) the third anti-economy viral weapon in 2018–19, with the first two targeting Chinese poultry and pigs respectively.  If Covid was intended to target what its makers must see as human livestock, what comes next?  When does the other shoe drop?

    This is why I have called the bioweapons program an existential threat, and accordingly commended your investigative journalism.

    When you say that the Covid pandemic “probably already ranks as the most important global event since World War II, with an impact easily exceeding the collapse of the Soviet Union or the 9/11 Attacks and the Middle Eastern wars they unleashed,” that is not hyperbole—and the story is still breaking.

    ——————————

    Although the American intelligence establishment is not monolithic (and it seems even to be susceptible to some infighting), the probability that Covid originated in an intelligence agency must be fit into the big picture.

    Via various mass-surveillance programs across various agencies, the intelligence establishment most likely knows, and almost surely has the capability to ascertain, every unencrypted email you send, every website you visit, every web search query that you ask, every financial transaction that you make—and a full record of your physical location each minute of every day, if you carry a so-called “smartphone” as almost everyone does nowadays.  They have your soul in a data warehouse.

    They have acquired a demigod-like near-omniscience.  And now, we see that at least some faction of them are attempting to gain omnipotence.  High on technocratic hubris, with wanton recklessness, they are playing stupid games with natural forces that they demonstrably cannot control.

    I need say no more, but to repeat the Spenglerian aphorism that optimism is cowardice. ®

    ——————————
    1. I oughtn’t need to remark that the opportunistic exploitation of Covid by many governments to push other policies does not itself prove anything about Covid’s origins, or the intent of its creators.  Corrupt governments would likewise exploit a naturally occurring epidemic, or an asteroid impact, or any other mass-disaster that was not even man-made.  Any crisis is for them a gift.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Thanks: Mark Hunter
    • Replies: @thotmonger
  77. I’m also convinced that most of the country and the world have been given a form of LSD/DMT hallucinogenic via bottled/tap water to see the opposite of what is reality. There’s no other way to explain how they achieve almost complete mind control while disseminating disinformation, propaganda and indoctrination to a mass audience who believes in most everything being pushed forward.
    Obey or we will ban you from social media and never let you play in the sandbox with us again.

  78. Omash says:

    No Mr Unz, you are not alone. I believed you since beginning. Too many coincidence to be treated as chance happenings, like Iranian politicians death. Leak itself on Chinese biggest Holliday. Chinese and east Asians having most SARS receptors, chinese would not try to unleash a SAR virus on the world,in case it backfires,it would be deadlier in East Asia region.

    Wuhan market existed before 2019. If virus existed in bats or pangolins for years,why it did not cause pandemic before 2019 etc etc.

  79. @michael888

    It has just.been pointed out to me (I assume accurately) that far more people in India and Indonesia have been infected and carry antibodies than is generally acknowledged. In a country like Australia it is now ridiculous that children are not all at school making it much less likely that they will infect grandparents at Christmas.

    • Replies: @michael888
  80. The prompt and drastic Chinese reaction always suggested to me that they knew the virus had come from a lab.

    In the upshot, the disease has turned out to be more or less another flu. Some differences, but about that order of magnitude, when all is said and done.

    But the Chinese obviously feared far worse. Why, with a disease manifesting as simply another flu?

    And which lab? What would be the one lab where they would hear about a leak for sure? My belief remains that they knew something had gotten out of their own lab. That’s the best explanation for the scale and speed of their reaction.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  81. @Kuru

    A just-below-the-thresold attack.

    A bioattack that’s apocalyptic will trigger a nuclear respond. Because it’s now or never. A bioattack attack that’s causing lingering problems but not that deadly may leave the enemy wondering how should they retaliate. Sick and scared people will complain. Dead people just stay dead.

    • Agree: some_loon
  82. @Ron Unz

    ‘For example, total American deaths during 2020 were more than 500,000 higher than the figures for the previous five or six years, during which the numbers had been fairly similar. So unless you believe that our government is hiding 500,000 extra suicides or 500,000 extra homicides, they probably mostly died from Covid.’

    Yes, but an extraordinarily large proportion of those deaths — far more than is the case with most flus — were people who really were on the verge. The typical Corona Virus fatality always seemed to be a eighty four year old woman with pre-existing conditions.

    I’ve seen enough people die — and I’m old enough myself — to recognize that one often reaches a point where something is going to finish one off. If not this week, then next month. You’re about to check out. Time for the inevitable succession of futile medical interventions and then the final good bye. Something’s gonna kill you — and sooner rather than later. It’s kind of secondary precisely what. My grandmother died at eighty nine — of a broken hip. I would say that it was being eighty nine that killed her.

    So there are people who really are about to go, and Covid’s been giving them that final shove.

    Nu? It’s callous to say it, but the death of an eighty four year old with about two months left to live regardless is not as big a tragedy as the death of a fifty year old in passable health and with every reason to look forward to another thirty years or so of the usual ups and downs.

    This aspect of the situation doesn’t make those five hundred thousand deaths go away — but it does substantially reduce the significance of the number.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
  83. @RoatanBill

    I’m sure that no one will ever be held accountable for the millions killed and the economic damage that has decimated the entire world. That’s because the gov’t never prosecutes itself.

    With any luck, at least a proportion of the villains and their willing accessories will be forced to face the music.

    Consider Exhibit A:

    Dr. Richard M. Fleming PHD, MD, JD – Petition for ICC Investigation & Prosecution of Corona Chan Criminals for Crimes Against Humanity

    https://www.petitions.net/investigation_and_prosecution_of_those_individuals_responsible_for_crimes_against_humanity

    My advice, nay, my recommendation, is to encourage as many people as possible to add their signatures to Dr. Fleming’s petition in order to encourage the ICC to take this case on and ultimately to hang the bastards.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  84. This “update” really has nothing new to offer. If it was a small rogue element within the US government that perpetrated a biodrop against China and Iran, how is it that the mainstream media has been so coordinated in their messaging — and censorship — ever since that booboo?

    Each installment of this series has disappointed me. And at this point I am disturbed how Unz continues to avoid addressing the horrific abuses of power — around the world — that have occurred since this all began. It is easier for me to go with the story the pandemic was a cover and fall guy for a giant economic depression and intentional financial reset — whose boom is yet to fall. With Big Dope enjoying record profits, pushing to force their experimental products not only on all adults but also teens, preteens and even infants — persons who have practically zero risk of harm from this virus — it is easier for me to believe all the controlled media is at the behest of these super powerful corporations. And that is the most optimistic scenario. With a dictatorship galloping straight at us under the guise of “medical science” the debate of who released the virus two years ago is almost irrelevant.

    I would just like to ask Mr. Unz one question: Do you believe in informed consent?

    If so, please, start to speak out on its behalf and for those who may wish to take their chances with the virus as opposed to some experimental injections.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
  85. I still don’t buy it, as China didn’t run with it from the start. It might be a mutual mistake, as the Wuhan lab was funded by the U.S. and run by the Chinese, and thus both have an incentive to not get into the blame game. Still I cleave to the simpler notion that the Chinese screwed up and this got out by accident.

    But I will admit, the evidence against the U.S. is better than I thought.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  86. GMC says:

    The US Intel is never alone , as in 9/11, WMD in Iraq , to the USS Liberty , the CIA, NSA, DHS, FBI, Mossad, BND, MI6, { 5 Eyes}, Nato, MIC/ Pharma, etc. are all involved in these shit shows. But , It’s a Secret !!

  87. @Ron Unz

    You are sustaining your inspired guess with amazing determination but the problems in compelling acceptance do not abate.
    1. You have no independent or any expertise which might give weight to your views about the biological history of the Covid 19 virus variants or the original.
    .
    2. You therefore have to lean on your perception of coincidence and of motive and opportunity., for example
    (a) you rated the outbreak in Iran high on the excessive coincidence scale without apparently doing any calculations based on other known examples of superspreading (e.g. in South Korea)
    (b) you leapt to preference for the evil, almost psychotic, motives of Pompeo and/or Bolton whom you do not know in preference to an everyday explanation in terms of the common motive of financial greed if one has to hypothesise evil motive

    3. You continue to put weight on the ABC report confirmined by Israelii TV that a specialised branch of the intelligence network had circulated alarming reports. I won’t repeat the several possible explanations I have given for saying that is all quite equivocal. It seems a pity to be still hanging so much on it.

    4. It is totally insufficient to rely on hearsay from one probably honest and informed Australian who, one would suppose, had every reason to say what you choose to rely on, just to be able to work in China.

    Nonetheless I applaud your ingenuity, not for the first time. The stupid assumptions about how much damage would be done by spread of the virus outside China ring true as does the possible motive of causing, if only experimentally, economic damage to China.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  88. Nah.

    Too many flights go in and out of China. Odds are it will go global and mutate.

    Simplest answer is the most likely which is that it spread near the lab because it was released by the lab. Probably an accident but could have been a rogue scientist or officer hoping to topple the system or just stick it to the government.

    The conspiracy is in the media/liberal establishment going as far as to mock people that did not take the WHO position that it came from a wet market. That was really disturbing since China had changed their story multiple times and the WHO was never given full access to investigate.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  89. O'Neil says:

    You were not alone with your view, indeed it was a bioweapon. The US now and then would do absolutely anything to crash the China economy. But this wasn’t a side show by the darker side of Washington, this would have been well known by many. The cleverness of their plan was to bring the ‘dancing’ out of their corrupt bodies, so sweet was it that the thought of losing control of the virus was ignored. They wanted China down and out for good. America would then take back full control of the world, and everything would be ‘exceptional’ again. That is the USA politicians of today and yesterday, and I’m sad to say the people too. They are not against anything that would put the US back on top.
    The US is well past its sell by date. The good that has come from this is that the evil US face will never be forgotten and China will prosper.

  90. Toza says:
    @Ron Unz

    Most of the excess deaths are from not treating other diseases. Many surgeries and therapies that would have saved lives have been postponed or cancelled by hospitals and doctors because of the situation. Mortality from cardiovascular diseases was up 20% last year, and from cancer even more than that. Homicide, suicide and death from drug overdose is also on the rise. Since autopsies were not conducted, many deaths ascribed to COVID could have been in fact from something else. I acknowledge the existence of a dangerous virus, but the mortality rate of respiratory illnesses is just slightly higher than in the previous years.

    • Thanks: Rogue
  91. Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China.

    This on face value is indeed peculiar but it needs to be contrasted with:

    1. China does a lot of business with Iran so there are constant flights between countries
    2. Iran did not take the virus seriously until it was digging mass graves
    3. Muslims insisted upon allowing various gatherings which those officials likely attended
    4. Iran has limited medical technology due to sanctions
    5. We don’t know the extent of the losses in third world countries like India
    6. Asians in general are better prepared for pandemics from past experiences and will readily mask/isolate.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  92. @RestiveUs

    Not to mention the suppression of all discussion of prevention!!!

    Sunlight–ambient ultraviolet B (UVB) radiation (key for vitamin D production in the skin)–at home in the weeks before COVID-19 infection strongly protects against severe disease and death. The paper was published in Scientific Reports, September 14, 2021.

    Zinc? Nope. Ascorbic acid IV for patients? Nope. The preventive Chinese herbal concoction? Hell no!

  93. Bert says:
    @Weaver

    The heads of various countries’ public health agencies knew about the spread of Covid in the autumn of 2019. The clearest evidence of such knowledge, and of a plan to develop a vaccine instead of using early treatment, was the French changing the status of hydroxychloroquine from OTC to prescription only. The change was made in October, 2019. See the You Tube lecture by Dr. Harvey Risch entitled “Hydroxychloroquine and Its Friends” for this and other evidence of a conspiracy against the interests of all the little people of the planet.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  94. @Weaver

    Credible theories depend on dates, which I’ve been trying to get across to Ron for months, to no avail.

    If, as my comment #49 above, asserts, Covid has been circulating in the US for years, we must re-cast our list of villains: was the US Government smart/dumb enough to infect its own people five years ago? I doubt it.

    It’s more likely that a Maine/Californian hunter ate some Covid-infected deer meat. Big deal. Shit happens.

    The director of America’s entire federal health programs–including the CDC–publicly supports such speculation. He say’s it may have been around for years, waiting to surface.

    We have CDC-blessed death certificates and CDC-generated seropositivity tests that also support the claim that the fungus was among us long before we’re willing to admit.

    Why can I get no traction on this screamingly obvious conclusion?

    • LOL: Ben the Layabout
  95. Bert says:

    The SOB who allowed Fauci’s gain of function experiments to be outsourced to Wuhan and who blocked early treatments is heading for his hidey-hole.

    Francis Collins to step down as NIH director
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/10/04/francis-collins-nih-step-down-515114

  96. @Ron Unz

    As to many of the more recent excess deaths, many of those may very well be attributable to the vaxxes, e.g. heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism, etc. triggered by spike protein. What’s more dubious is that many vaxx-related deaths and injuries are attributed to COVID itself.

    Further clouding the issue is the current definition of “fully vaccinated,” which only applies 14 days after the completion of the vaxx series, e.g. 2 doses of a 2-dose series. If one contracts a case of COVID in the 14 day window, one is counted as an unvaccinated COVID case even if the vaxx itself facilitated the infection, e.g. ADE or simply a weakening of the immune system.

    Your next American Pravda piece might delve into the tens of thousands of known vaccine-related deaths and how those have been blithely dismissed by officialdom and the medical profession leadership with the mantra of “safe and effective” despite the tens of thousands of medical professionals and scientists who have serious concerns about the actual safety of the vaxxes; then there seems to be a willful programme in many nations to discourage reporting of vaxx-related deaths and serious injuries to the systems and agencies tasked to collect that very data.

    I don’t know if this is all about greed, but the only acceptable official route through COVID Clown World is via the Jabattoir.

  97. Dumbo says:

    So, according to Unz’s theory… The virus was created in a lab as a bioweapon by people close to Trump… But Trump didn’t know… Even though he hired them in the first place and kept them there… Then those same clowns attacked China and Iran with a supposedly ultra-contagious virus, but not taking any precautions in case of the, er, super-contagious virus not respecting borders and getting to Europe and the U.S… And they didn’t even think of having a vaccine in advance, even though that would have been easy since they supposedly created the virus themselves…

    Then as a completely separate operation, Big Pharma created a vaccine to free us from this scourge. Even though Moderna (Jewish/Israeli owners) and Pfizer (Jewish CEO) reportedly were working on a coronavirus vaccine even before the pandemic… And Moderna hadn’t sold a single product until then.

    Israel, of course, was the testing lab for almost everything that then goes worldwide in this pandemic, from the “social distancing” to the “boosters” to the “green passes”. A lot of Israeli companies are into biotech and spyware (tracking apps etc). And they also were studying coronaviruses before the pandemic…

    But somehow Israel is never to blame… Weird..

    Some say it was to get rid of Trump… But then Trump was also behind Operation Warp Speed and until last week was telling people to vaxx.

    My own and simpler theory is that, the virus was created on released on purpose in order to make way for the vaccine and all the social changes that came after the pandemic. The fact that we are starting to hear about mRNA vaccines as a “solution” almost immediately after the beginning of the pandemic, the demonization of any other forms of treatment, the bonuses for “Covid deaths”, the pointless “lockdowns”, the later “vaccine passports” or “green passes” that don’t do anything to stop the disease in any way — all they do is force people to get vaxxed and tracked.

    There is an unprecedented and uncanny attempt to inject everyone in the Western world with an experimental concoction and track them wherever they go. But somehow this is a “conspiracy theory” even if those doing are totally open about it.

  98. slorter says:

    Well I would not put it passed the Empire to do it!

  99. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    they probably mostly died from Covid.

    Not really. We can’t know for sure, but people can die of many things. And it was an atypical year.

    Homicides increased by 30% in the U.S in 2020, for instance.

    https://www.voanews.com/a/us-homicides-increased-nearly-30-in-2020-fbi-reports-/6247529.html

    There was a 25% increase in deaths by heart attacks at home during lockdown in many countries.

    https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2020/october/increase-in-heart-disease-deaths-at-home-during-pandemic

    No, most extra deaths were not from Covid. Many died exactly because of the “anti-pandemic” measures such as lockdowns (for instance, people didn’t go to the hospital to get treated of their heart condition and died of a heart attack at home), but that’s harder to measure.

    Next you’ll tell us that the “flu disappeared”…

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  100. m___ says:
    @Ron Unz

    Big Farma talking. No end in sight agenda.

  101. @Dumbo

    I would have simply mashed the [Agree] tag, Dumbo, except for that last phrase about Ron Unz being a part of the problem. No, Ron Unz is doing a great service by allowing so many varied opinions about this Kung Flu be aired here, and I LUV LUV LUV the functionality of his site.

    That said, Ron Unz is no part of the solution either. The easily readable for a non-virologist Nicholas Wade article on the subject of origin was not only featured on That Unz Review, but Mr. Unz himself touted it as supporting his theory (see Peak Stupidity‘s discussion – “Nicholas Wade on that Wuhan lab and origins of the Kung Flu”). From reading that article, one can learn that the “gain-of-function” research, no different from bioweapons research other than a name on the buildings, was widely known as a joint project with US grant money going to Chinese labs with lower levels of safety than warranted. (What’s new, THERE?)

    Mr. Unz’s problem is that his pure anti-all-things-Americanism and his uninformed view on modern China as the be-all-to-end-all (based on ZERO visits to the place) has clouded his priorities, IMO. The BIG STORY here is NOT the origins of the latest virus out of the Orient. The BIG STORY is the PanicFest that has been this latest “crisis”‘ never go to waste moment.

    This Panic Fest is now in Season 3, per the hundreds of Peak Stupidity posts here – scroll down. The Panic has been induced into people around the world, including a big share of Americans and including your host, and even the level-headed Steve Sailer for a few month spell.

    The PanicFest has been used to set precedents of Totalitarianism. The worst, precedent-wise, has been the LOCKDOWNSs on demand, though the face diapering has been better as a program of forced indignities, just part of the normal humiliation done by Totalitarians to show who’s boss. We have seen a couple of provinces in Australia make George Orwell’s 1984 characters look like pikers. Then there is the unintentionally PRO-Ron DeSantis ad that I’ll embed below. Watch the minute or two ad that was explained to me by the great anti-Panic blogger E.H.Hail to have been seriously made to be against the pro-liberty stalwart Governor of Florida – HERE. Then tell me if you really GET IT yet.

    Mr. Unz, the BIG STORY is all around you. You’ve done all that valuable work in digging up American political history that was not as it seems. How about this one happening right before all of our eyes? Gonna write a word about the Totalitarianism being implemented based on this latest Oriental virus? One word, maybe?

    Conveniently, I can’t find the video on youtube. Hopefully the bitchute one below will work here – if. not go to bitchute and search, or click on the link to Mr. Hail’s post.


  102. @Achmed E. Newman

    Yeah, it seems to have embedded fine.

  103. Andreas says:

    The chances that a bio-warfare attack against a specific target, in this case China, will backfire is simply too high for such a scenario to be entirely credible, especially with a humanly transmittable disease.

    The ringleaders would have to be deranged to have been thinking in terms of any predictable outcome, unless one begins to conjecture the darkest and most sinister of intents. That is, for example, a motive to deliberately sow enough chaos to upset the existing social order and take authoritarian control by dividing and conquering a bewildered and confused population.

    Only then, in my view, does it enter the realm of plausibility.

  104. Is it not disgusting that we must hear the truth from a Zionist Jew like Ron Unz and the whole internet is merely a honeytrap operation for Mossad….Whilst I like unz.com as the last place I am allowed to post a comment on the internet….I find it sad that no non jewish person seems to exist in the anglosphere that is capable of running a non censored news website.

    Is it not the case the W”Ron unz” is merely another gatekeeper quietly harvesting the IPs and locations of the last gentile free thinking targets on earth….

    Usury used to be a sin against god…but now satan’s little helpers run the place with it… I weep for the white people and all people of earth….I hope once the Jews have installed their antichrist king in Jerusalem and rule the earth as a debt colony 1984 style they enjoy the souless hell they have created in 5000years…there seems to have been nothing of worth since the pyramids and jews corrupted the Egyptians….I say nuke and poison the planet and hope the jews kill themselves as well as all of us, their victims.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    , @HbutnotG
  105. AnalogMan says:
    @Mevashir

    the development of untested dangerous experimental covaxx.

    You seriously believe that’s what he approved? Is that how it was represented to him?

    What should he have done?

    What would you have done?

  106. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    What expansion into the public realm are you thinking about, when they control all of the channels to the public?

  107. Mikael_ says:
    @Ron Unz

    killed 15 million people worldwide

    I still don’t buy that number, at face value.

    You’d need to also look at:
    a) the original deaths and “excess deaths” statistics from countries yourself, and compare them to at least 10 previous years, to see if there was a true outlier in 2020. (So not just believe The Economist.)
    b) and not just say “those (excess) death happened because of Covid”,
    but also seriously take a look in the direction of “how many of those (excess) deaths happened because of wrong/suppressed/prohibited treatment protocols against Covid”, since July or Sept 2020 (that starting point is debatable) – as those then are in an entirely different category.

    On a), my (2 hour attempt) resulted in that I found Germany had no clear excess deaths in 2020. And for other countries, I wasn’t able to find the official numbers, either at all or for a 10 year period back in time… funny how that goes, isn’t it?

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  108. So this wesite is censored too!!! Lol Not allowed to call Ron Unz ***ish? Not allowed to postulate he is M**sad or a Z****st?

    Pathetic anglosphere honeypot releasing limited hangout tidbits. Sad sad sad Mr W’Ron Unz’

    • Troll: Raches
    • Replies: @Raches
  109. gotmituns says:
    @Justin Thyme

    BINGO – The only thing is in the 1930s, no one had the capacity to do it. Now, there is the greatest mass brainwashing ability the world has ever seen in place – TV, IPhones, Computers. Every moment of every day, most people in the western world are “connected” to one or more of these mind bending gadgets.

  110. @bossel

    That link is very useful. It is hard to view and listen to it without concluding that no one, certainly no layman, can confidently say that the origin of Covid 19 is or is not a lab leak or is indeed something different from a virus transmitted from bats directly or indirectly, through other animals, to humans.

  111. @anonymous

    They would try to spin it as still another trumpist /QAnon unhinged “conspiracy theory”.

  112. @Dumbo

    And it was an atypical year.

    In recent history. The total deaths per million in 2020 are no worse than back in the ‘00s. Murder/homicide rates of 2020 & 2021 pale in comparison to the ‘90s.

    The ‘10s was, in general, an atypical decade.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  113. Rufus Arrr says: • Website

    I was at ground zero when the Bio-Weapon hit China.

    For all you clueless Westerners, China treated it as a Bio-Weapons attack and went DEFCON ONE. China went from “Happy holidays” to screeching sirens, police and military everywhere, hazmat tanks and vehicles and roadblocks everywhere. All cell phones had this flashing red screen with instructions. All television shows went RED SCREEN with local instructions, and all militia, pioneers, Communist cadres, paramilitary forces, and about a hundred other military systems sprang into action immediately.

    Not reported in the Western ‘mews”.

    Now, you can justify all you want that John Bolton would never do such a thing…
    … but both China and Russia have documented proof.

    For those of who who are unaware… all of China is wired. There’s videos and hard drives full of everything that these Wuhan American Olympic “soldiers” did. It’s like the movie “minority report”, only it’s been in operation in China for at least five years now.

    And maybe you don’t want to hear that the Wuhan military games was the source, but you know China is a surveillance nation. Cameras and video are everywhere. There’s all sorts of videos showing these “soldiers” in the wet market touching and handling all the vegetables and putting their hands in the fish tanks. I mean, for goodness sakes! Don’t they eat in restaurants?

    And I know that it is just a coincidence that Trump had a special bat nickel made in 2020, and that he added it to his “victory metals” collection on his credenza. Just a coincidence.

    And the coincidence that the biopsies of the ill American servicemen had the lethal “B strain” when they went into the Wuhan hospital for treatment. Just a coincidence.

    World War III began in 2014 and when Trump took over, it went hard. From 2016 through 2017 was the disruption phase with induced starvation via drones spraying livestock with viruses, and NGO “color revolutions in the key entry-pints to the BRI. Every one failed.

    Inoculating everyone in the West with the “safe” herd immunity strain “Strain A” was pretty smart. Except that they didn’t expect that it wouldn’t protect anyone from the other stains. A pretty glaring mistake, if I must say so myself.

    Two other lethal stains targeting people were released later on in 2020. The first was a tick virus. It cased death by vomiting. And you do know that there are NO TICKS IN Beijing! Sheech! And as soon as the Chinese version of the CDC detected it (after all China was at DEFCON ONE) President Trump was whisked off to a secured facility with the excuse that he was in the hospital with Coronavirus. And then three days later he was miraculously cured! Imagine that!

    And then when that fell apart, a very nasty strain of the swine virus with HIV inserts also shows up in Beijing (what are the odds?). It was found, secured, contained and neutralized. Only a few people died from this one. It caused liquidation of your internal organs and you shit them out all of your orifices.

    Ah, but nah! No one in America would be so evil! Right?

    The “tit for tat” “hidden war” continued with the USA trying to torch the new Chinese Type o75 VTOL carrier in April 2020, and the Chinese responding by a massive fire that gutted the USS Bonhomme Richard on 13 July 2020.

    Just a coincidence.

    What I am seeing right now put my arm-hairs on edge. After the announcement of the Australian deal where USA and UK nuclear submarines will now base in Australia (and you all know that US and UK nuclear submarines carry nuclear weapons), all of the top generals of the SEO held a meeting. Because, you do know, that the SEO is the United Asia. It’s Russia, and China and Iran. And they held a long meeting. And it was very, very somber.

    One day, you all are going to wake up and there won’t be any electricity. Your car will not work, nor will your cellphones. It will be at that moment when you will realize that World War III just ended. And you will now be part of the “occupied territories”.

    • Troll: Ben the Layabout
  114. @The Alarmist

    “I don’t know if this is all about greed, but the acceptable official route through COVID Clown World is via the Jabattoir. All these theories are interesting. The one motive that almost always shows up and fits every large event in the world is the “follow the money” motive. In German it’s “Geld regiert die Welt.” (Money, governs the world.) It’s so simple an explanation but so true as the main motivation behind almost everything in human affairs. I’m thinking of having a custom T-made up with that very thought. Seriously, billions of dollars are at stake for Big Pharma. That thought should? add some clarity to the whole business. And it can even be considered another good conspiracy theory, even more likely than some others..

  115. Sarah says:

    @Ron UNZ

    I have also placed it within the context of the hidden history of America’s longstanding biological warfare programs.

    Right.
    When a policeman investigates a crime, one of his ways is to search among those who committed similar crimes in the past.
    Even if this approach is not successful, it would be wrong of him to neglect it.

    Anonymous wrote :

    The US already has a proven track record of engaging in biowarfare from the days it acquired the assets of the notorious Japanese Unit 731 through primitive attempts in the Korean war and targeting Cuba’s pig population in the 70’s.

    (Do you have any source about Cuba ?)

    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/censored-north-korea-accused-u-s-of-working-with-unit-731-war-criminals-on-bw-attacks-d7fd819ed8b7
    https://jeff-kaye.medium.com/a-concealed-war-crime-u-s-anthrax-bombings-of-china-during-the-korean-war-14782ceb40a9
    Thanks to another article from UNZ, I discovered these links about the biological war waged by the United States against the Korean people. Disgusting. I would never have believed that before. If the US did it in 1950 they could very well do it in 2019.

    Also, as RoatanBill (post 28) questioned :

    Why does the US have bio-weapons labs in various countries throughout the world?

  116. You have Life?  Great.  Then Life has you as well  All of you! Every organ, every drop of blood and, of course, your brain: your mind. But I have free will!, you say. Of course you do. Sort of.

    Now Life is normally quite placid. Even though Life lives on by consuming itself; the feasting is benign, as it is with all Life’s wards; with one notable exception. You.  And the rest of the human race. We are Life consuming gluttons extraordinaire. Think Gettysburg, Dachau, Hiroshima and …factory farming: ad nausea.This is not new, of course. Our behavior is old news. Life has cut slack to humans because we have a uniqueness that has warranted observation over time. Time may have just run out.

     Humans now have the ability to destroy the biosphere. Our pernicious conduct may have convinced Life that without its prompt.interjection; it is inevitable.

    Enter Mr.Covid 19. Force Majeure of modern plagues. Sponsor of the blame game to end all blame games. Seven billion people have an opinion…and an asshole. The ones who have a microphone or a computer demonstrate both, daily. Think Life has a hand in all this? Maybe the plague is a worldwide distraction to give the Biosphere a little breathing room to heal from ongoing human assault? Hmmm.Millions are dead. Millions are becoming infected every day. The virus twists and turns and presents a new face constantly. We rush to keep up but seemingly always lag behind. How so? Is it out of our hands?

    • Replies: @Shoes
  117. journey80 says:

    The CDC shut down the bioweapons lab at Fort Detrick in July 2019. It didn’t reopen until March 2020.

    Here’s my question:
    WHAT HAPPENED AT FORT DETRICK IN JULY 2019?

    https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/fort-detrick-laboratory-restored-to-full-operations-after-being-shut-down-by-cdc/article_fcee204f-1493-52fb-ba9b-f80cb00da727.html

  118. EdwardM says:
    @BaronAsh

    If most people dying have co-morbidities, then the death count shouldn’t really be all that much higher than usual. For the true death count to go up substantially, many people who usually wouldn’t die in any given year would need to be dying, i.e.. those considerably beneath the average age at death.

    If that’s true, then the excess death count should be be below expectations for a several-year period after the virus ramps down. I hope we see this analysis but I am not optimistic that our esteemed scientists will show much interest.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  119. Jiminy says:

    I was just watching a doco earlier called “Hunters, Vice” and it followed a group of Kenyan scientists combing caves deep underground in search of bats. Upon catching the bats they then take swabs from both ends and the samples eventually end up at the Smithsonian in America. A lab called Walter Reed was involved in the testing as well. The noble thought is that all throughout the show they are constantly trying to convince the viewer that this work is keeping us all safe from the next lethal virus. I get the impression that they are putting the cart before the horse. Unfortunately if I had to hazard a guess, I would say that the Reed lab in Washington DC, which I think is military related, doesn’t give a damn about the next next new virus to hit Kenya. Maybe I’m wrong.

  120. EdwardM says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I am waiting for the Xi variant.

  121. @Ultrafart the Brave

    The ICC just recently refused to look into the US’s aggression against Afghanistan. That’s a clear cut guilty if there ever was one.

    The ICC is just another bullshit organization designed to give its members a well paid job while giving the gullible a place to complain. Nothing ever happens because it’s designed to not happen. It’s another psyop invented by the criminals in all the governments to make sure they created the first mover organization guaranteed never to come after them.

    It’s just another form of useless voting.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
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  122. @Mevashir

    Gain of function research may have been a misjudgement, but it is hardly low morality to dedicate yourself to investigating pathogens in order to find ways to counter them.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  123. Answer to Ron Unz’s headline question — Yes, that tide is turning.

    As RU’s article indicates, the attack on Iran’s leadership with the bioweapon indicates the origin and intention of said bioweapon, underscored by USA’s drone murder of General Soleimani ordered (as the person of last resort) by servant-of-zion D Trump.

    It seems rather sad that some Americans still seek to zealously defend Trump.
    Elsewhere I have seen statements that SCO members are prepared to name USA as the cv-19 culprit and though such refs are without citation, they seem reasonable.
    Ron Unz’s sterling work on the criminal USA may be unacknowledged inside that country (how surprising) but it’s a different matter outside that bubble.

    Related also to the hero Trump —

    Iran has called on the United States to effectively remove all 800 illegal sanctions imposed, re-imposed or re-labeled under former president Donald Trump, saying such a measure serves as a “ticket” for Washington to return to the negotiating table.

    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/10/05/667876/Iran-Khatibzadeh-US-sanctions-Vienna-talks

  124. Raches says: • Website
    @Gentile Debtslave

    I do not want to feed off-topic trolling on an important thread; I will understand if the moderator axes this.  I just want to point this out as exemplary of fallacious “conspiracy theorist” thinking:

    So this wesite is censored too!!! Lol Not allowed to call Ron Unz ***ish? Not allowed to postulate he is M**sad or a Z****st?

    Moderation here is done by a human—not by a robot programmed with dumb string-matching word filters.  Whom do you suppose you are fooling with the asterisks?  Do you apply the same quality of critical thinking to your theories that you allege were censored?

    If you posted a long off-topic rant about Ron Unz the Jew, it was probably trashed as off-topic.  That is just my guess.  Mr. Unz is not a crypto-Jew.  He is well-known to be a Jew; and he has never censored any of my many comments dissecting his Jewishness, just as long as I was not derailing a thread that he actually cared about.

    If you want a conspiracy theory involving intelligence agencies, there is something more obvious than the Mossad.  One of Mr. Unz’s late personal friends was a former director of the NSA, and The Unz Review’s titular “National Security Editor” is known to be a “former CIA officer”.  Of course, to know this, you would actually need to read Mr. Unz’s work—instead of just spouting off thoughtlessly.

    Pathetic anglosphere honeypot releasing limited hangout tidbits. Sad sad sad Mr W’Ron Unz’

    Stringing together tradecraft jargon at random does not make you a counterintelligence analyst.  Results are what count here, together with the question, cui bono?  I do not see how the Mossad could benefit from Mr. Unz’s perennial, highly effective public trashing of the whole Israeli agenda.  I do not see how U.S. intelligence agencies could benefit from a theory blaming Covid on U.S. intelligence agencies—especially not when the mass media, the “alternative media”, and the American public are almost all hemmed into a false dichotomy between “natural origins” and “blame China”.

    I have thought that this website may be intended to monitor who is interested in reading this type of material.  However, The Unz Review is easily readable through anonymity networks—with Javascript disabled (which protects both from fingerprinting and from NSA/TAO “implants”).  For a honeypot, it would be much more effective if it blocked Tor, VPNs, and known open proxies, and required Javascript to read.  (And more perniciously:  CAPTCHAs that are suspected to do a sort of super-fingerprinting.)  There are many “interesting” websites which seem calculated to seduce “hard targets” into relaxing their privacy and security practices, by dangling the promise of juicy information that you basically need to compromise yourself just to see.  Well, that is my theory based on considerable experience protecting the privacy of my reading habits.

    I have thought that it may be intended to dox commentators.  But after watching like a hawk for this type of trick, I do not see substantial evidence of that, either (although I do think that Mr. Unz is a bit naïf about the privacy of his commentators).

    I have thought that it may be intended for “quiet suppression” of free speech.  But if that were the case, Mr. Unz would have quietly suppressed me.  Instead, he gave me a blog.  Since I know myself first-hand, this evidence has a very high weight to me.

    After having examined this from a thousand angles, I have not found any way in which the U.S. government, the Israelis, or both could get from this a net gain.  —I mean, a concrete material gain exceeding the propaganda loss.  Handwaving about chess does not count.

    On the flipside, I must also consider the hypothetical case that Mr. Unz may be entirely sincere.  Be that so, how would USG and Israelis react?  Well, for one thing, I would expect for them to run Internet influence operations to derail discussions, and to discredit Mr. Unz in the eyes of his readers.  There are plenty of crackpots and paranoiacs who do that organically; a little nudge can push them hard where they already tend to go.  It is one reason why I sometimes shoot down these conspiracy theories. ®

  125. Cohen says:
    @A123

    AHA. HA 123
    You are back!
    So what is Jewish angle in this who drama? How long it took the “Great Israelis” to develop the vaccine? They were researching (meaning stolen technology) with dollars dollars saliva coming out of their mouth. Collaboration with Indian, Canadians, and other friends did not workout. Because the who thing was BS.

    Here is a lesson for you Talmudist. Your interbreeding impedes immunity and that is why we hear about vaccine having adverse effect on Talmudist in Israel. You guys should give up the idea of interbreeding or a super duper race.

    Who came up with this idea pure race? The Rabbi who won the debate with God, according to Talmud.
    Please send me some information about this great genius (or his writings).

    How are your little Talmudist or Holohoax survivors doing. One of my Jewish friend (not Talmudist) came up with idea of young holahox survivors.

    You have not taken out the peace emoji BS. How long you intend to carry on. I would suggest use demonic emoji with horns and all that paraphernalia that comes with it. That would fit you.
    Peace.

  126. The “vaccine” is a bio attack on the population of the entire Western world.

  127. I don’t think we will ever get the truth out in the open, or at least internalized by the general population. If the country can’t even admit JFK was assassinated by elements within the gov’t or that WT7 was not caused by a fire in the copy room, what chances does CV19 origins have?

    No, more important than the origins is the authoritarian mandates being put into place by large corporations at the behest of those same elements in gov’t is will have to make a decision of whether to continue to feed and house my family by taking a biological injection or completely displacing their and my own life by refusing to do so.

    The time to ruminate on the origins is not during the battle for survival, important though it is. All hands need to turn to the ramparts and stop the infiltration by injection.

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  128. Rogue says:
    @Ron Unz

    The official figure for Covid deaths (doing a quick Google search) is less than 5 million worldwide.

    I very much doubt Google wants to downplay the numbers.

    And many of those in that number who officially died because of Covid, actually died from other causes. They simply tested positive for Covid.

    So I’m very skeptical about your claimed 15 million figure.

    • Agree: johnnyuinta
    • Thanks: Marcion
  129. Biff says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    Well, the life of the party shows up. Good stories…
    You should write a book.

  130. Tucker says:
    @johnnyuinta

    Ron,

    We also need to remember to factor in the financial incentives that, at least here in the USA, Congress included inside that ‘stimulus’ and ‘covid bailout legislation’ that funneled more of our tax dollars to hospitals and doctors and which was based upon how many ‘deaths’ they would agree to attribute to Covid-19. Clearly, this was done with the malicious motive of encouraging hospitals and doctors offices to help the Conspirators in our government to drastically inflate – and thereby skew – the actual numbers of deaths by Covid-19.

    [MORE]

    Someone who dies in a car accident, but if a hospital can claim that the victim had traces of covid in their system, bingo, dead car accident victim becomes death by Covid-19. Hospital receives a financial reward. And, who’s double-checking to make sure the hospitals aren’t fudging these pronouncements? I’d put my money on nobody.

    And, now I am wondering if these people who took the vaccines and then died as a result of the vaccine’s adverse side effects – are they being added to the lucrative list of ‘deaths by Covid-19’ and resulting in the hospitals receiving even more tax payer dollars?

    What a gigantic financial scam and boon-doggle this whole scamdemic has been, and that is on top of the diabolically evil tyranny that goes along with the scam.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
    • Thanks: johnnyuinta
  131. Sarah says:
    @JimDandy

    Your final paragraph is quite damning, and it points the finger in one direction.

    What paragraph ?

    I remember reading something after 9-11 that said that huge (and eccentric) market trades were made right before the attacks resulting in massive payouts to unknown investors.

    Do you have any source, please ?

  132. Schuetze says:
    @American Citizen

    Trump is a freemason, and there is much evidence that Melania is a tranny. His entire presidency was a big show. He was pushing the vax just as hard as Biden, if not more. Trump was making plans to have the National Guard go door to door to enforce mandatory vaccination.

    [MORE]

    Another piece of evidence that Trump is up to his neck in Freemasonry is his never ending love of Israel and Jews. Just look at Ivanka the Lubbowitzer whose new Jewish name is Jael. Of course Trump’s grand children are Jewish as well. Even stronger evidence comes from the fact that the name Trump comes from Drumpf (Jews always change their names) and his grandfather was a jewish alcohol peddler and pimp in the Yukon during the gold rush. How much more Hebrew can you get?

    What really convinced me of the degree to which Trump is just a massive front for Freemasonry is this film about Trump towers. Trump towers is a Masonic temple, likely Trump would brag that it is the finest Masonic temple on the planet. The entire film is quite revealing, but I have started it where they get into the pervading masonic symbolism that permeates the entire building:

    Ron Unz has continually stated the release of “virus” was performed by rogue elements within the US government. That describes the Freemasons operating within the US government to a T.

    Also of notice is the Masonic checkerboard continually being flaunted on TV by the police forces of UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Based on the five eyes countries consistent over-reaction to the plandemic in all these heavily masonic countries, it would be no stretch to assume that Masonic forces are guiding the propaganda, mind control, use of extreme force, and elimination of freedoms.

    • Disagree: Derer
    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  133. @johnnyuinta

    I don’t believe (((It’s))) killed 15 million world wide and over a million in the US. Co-morbid conditions killed most of those especially the elderly.

    Yes, sir. I have the same problem with Ron’s vague endorsement of the lethality of the mysterious, never-isolated virus, to wit:

    the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide,

    Who manufactures these scary sounding numbers that purport to cover the whole planet? California and New York can’t even agree with Texas and Florida on how many died where from what. But somehow “we” know what went down in India and other remote parts of the planet.

    If people were dropping like flies as they must in a “pandemic”, why are some societies like those in sub-Saharan Africa seemingly unaffected by the novel corona virus? Yes, those happily immune countries routinely treat their prevalent endemic scourges with HCQ and ivermectin. But their corona virus antidote might also have something to do with their lack of nonstop Western TV, MSM and government/media fear mongering and incessant pharmaceutical vaccine promotion.

    I shelved my corona worry beads earliy on because I distrust the ever changing sources of the barrage of freightening numbers. Where I live in Europe, there is always a very reliable official tally of annual deaths from all causes. For the dreadful corona year 2020, this tally of legally valid death certificates required for all dead bodies showed fewer people croaked than the average death count for all the nine previous years. How does that happen in a raging media pandemic?

    Considering what that statistic means, I was not surprised to see that the official tally was carefully buried on the back pages, where reported at all. But for those who can read, it meant that in our state of six million residents … There Was No Pandemic. Good health ran rampant without experimental vaccines and obscene profits. Take that, Fauci!

  134. @Bert

    The clearest evidence of such knowledge, and of a plan to develop a vaccine instead of using early treatment, was the French changing the status of hydroxychloroquine from OTC to prescription only… in October, 2019.

    And by a most convenient coincidence, the WEF’s strangely prescient Event 201 “pandemic” rehearsal took place on the 18th day of that very same month.

    No surprise at all that the French President, Emmanuel Macron, is a graduate of Klaus Schwab’s personally tutored Globalist apprenticeship program, the “Young Leaders Program”. Just like the New Zealand Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, and the Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau (and a raft of literally many hundreds of others planted in key positions all around the world).

    • Replies: @Tucker
  135. @zagonostra nostra

    If the country can’t even admit JFK was assassinated by elements within the gov’t or that WT7 was not caused by a fire in the copy room, what chances does CV19 origins have?

    Maybe creepy Bill or his Mini-Me Fauci will spill the beans if we rendition them away to some secret place and waterboard them in separate dungeons for a couple of months.

  136. Sarah says:
    @Quartermaster

    …and laundered the funding through an NGO,…

    This is not the first time that I have observed that so-called NGOs are used as a cover for unsavory activities.

  137. Rogue says:
    @Mevashir

    Agree with you that Trump should have fired Fauci.

    I think he would like to have done so. Really wish he had.

    And now Fauci is supposedly the greatest medical expert in America? And the sexiest man alive according to some idiotic, sycophantic, leftist morons.

    I personally wouldn’t be interested in seeing an 80 year old doctor or dentist.

    Retirement ages exist for a reason in specialist fields of endeavor.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  138. @The Alarmist

    One thing I noticed early on with this supposedly tell-all “Excess Death” count is that the “normal” death rate curves, though changing seasonally, did not show an increase over the years. Americans are getting older quickly, and though the CDC used recent data, they averaged the ’15-’19 death numbers to get that “normal” curve.

    Peak Stupidity had 3 posts on this with spreadsheet calculations – nothing controversial there – just calculations of total “normal” deaths per each of those years, ’15 through ’19, done from US Census age information and mortality rates for the different age brackets.

    In “Hey, what’s the deal with excess deaths, anyway?”, we came out with a 100,000 death difference, CDC normal (’15 to ’19 average) – ’19 normal, not to even mention ’20 normal, as I didn’t have ’20 age bracket data. That 100,000 is not the whole thing, of course, but it’s significant, and discourages me from trusting these “Excess Death” counts completely. You and other commenters have brought up other increased causes of deaths due to the PanicFest rather than the virus itself that would be included in that number.

    Then, there was a “Mortality addendum” post, with some more numbers that brought out a discrepancy, which we did our best to explain in “Back to the excess death count – Could it be infants and illegal aliens?”. An excerpt from that one, with a back-o-the-envelope calculation that shows a number that could easily account for the discrepancies seen in the 2nd link is past the [MORE] tag below:

    [MORE]

    I found out that those 1-4 y/o numbers don’t count the deaths of anyone under 1 y/o. They’ve got a reason for that, I suppose, as deaths during delivery are fundamentally different from deaths from other causes. I should have noticed this, as it would have read “0 – 5” if it were actually “< 5 y/o". OK, well, those infant mortality numbers vary from ~23,000 in '15, trending slowly down to ~21,000 in '19. These are not negligible, being from 12% to just under 20% of the discrepancy in total deaths I ran into.

    Next, OK, we're using official numbers for calculating American deaths, but even with adding in infant mortality, we are 160,000 to 85,000 deaths short. Well, Grasshopper, answer the mystery of who is not counted in the census, yet still dies in America, and I won't keep fucking with you with that pebble in my hand trick. Oh, could it be….

    Illegal Aliens?:

    See, you would have expected a photo of those lovely human-trafficked DACA girls and boys, being thrown over a fence somewheres near Laredo, Texas. We think of all these illegal immigrants as being young, strong, and healthy, except when they need the emergency room for minor items, on our dime. Nah, there are plenty of illegals, lots of them Chinese who get here via overstaying what was once a legitimate non-immigrant visa of some sort.

    It sounds crazy that this is a factor. However, when I think about it, deaths are deaths, and when the old Chinaman kicks it from old age , NOPE COVID-one-niner, ka-ching! it's an American death. When that 0.30% blood-alcohol-leveled Mexican goes through the red light and happens to buy it (usually, it's the sober family he plows into), that's an American death. Yet, my calculations using Census Bureau counts won't include these people.

    We don't know how many illegal aliens reside in this country, but I'm pretty damn sure it's not the 11 million that was bandied about from 2001 on. Ann Coulter brought up 30 million, and I'll go with that. If they're going to pull numbers out their asses, we can too! They are not the same in terms of proportions in the ages brackets as the Census-counted American population. We don't know these quantities either. Let's just say 30 million illegals live here. Even if their mortality is 1/2 the rate as in the CDC charts, they are 9% of Americans, to it'd be (just rounding down) 4% more deaths. That and infant mortality would account for every bit of the discrepancies discussed last week.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  139. some_loon says:
    @Kuru

    When one hears phrases like “bioweapon attack”, one imagines something like ebola or some other horrific disease, not a slightly more deadly common cold.

    Maybe super deadly respiratory viruses are difficult to engineer. Or just too difficult to spread. Or too much of a risk.

    I have heard a number of times in a number of contexts that if you shoot and kill an enemy soldier, you take one enemy out of combat, but if you just hurt him badly you take three out of action, at least for a time, and otherwise impose greater costs on the enemy.

    If this is a biowarfare operation as Ron alleges, it might be that the desired effects were more limited than what happened. This scenario could have led to a success story, a ‘how we saved the country while China burned’ moment, possibly leading to greater trust in (and bigger budgets for) the national security apparatus.

    Instead, different players are able to make a grab for power, and both the military and CIA have to show how ‘woke’ they are, to keep their budgets.

  140. @John Johnson

    Agreed, Mr. Johnson. Mr. Unz’s theory is based on pure speculation. I don’t see any common sense involved.

  141. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    Limited hang out.

  142. On the whole, I agree with Ron Unz’s analysis, but I don’t know why he believes it was “rogue elements” that ordered the bio-warfare attack against China. Trump had been crusading against China from the time he took office. He could have easily been persuaded to order what was probably presented to him as a devastating blow to China, its people, and its economy.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  143. Max Payne says:

    Listen… America is evil-doing, no doubt.

    But to take a huge risk to release a weak do-nothing virus….

    It’s more likely Israel released the virus at the Wuhan military games to get that stunning 10% political elite infection rate in Iran.

    The suspicious death of the Chinese ambassador in Israel, May 2020. An unspoken Great Power gesture or signal to drop the matter. Add to it Israels early access to vaccines and an intense push to keep booster rates high (as if fearing blowback). Heck one of the early intel leaks of a ‘catastrophic’ virus was an Israeli source.

    Why would the US risk a bioweapon attack with untold consequences if caught (by a nuclear power no less) just to give people the sniffles? Cancer, sure, but not the FluPlus.

    Why not a virus that goes after young and healthy people (as opposed to people with type-9000 diabetes or the ancient fossils)? Did they not test the virus out prior to use?

    Seems more like Israel is targetting the old men of Iran in hopes of a more moderate younger generation to take over. The old guard may be too hard to infiltrate, new blood will open up new avenues for collaboration.

    15 million? Are you sure it’s not 1.5 million? Seems like fake news to me.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Truth Vigilante
  144. mkr says:

    If it was released to affect Trumps reelection, then whatever damage it did to Trumps chances of being elected it is now doing to Biden also.

    If it was released to attack China or Iran, then whatever damage it did to China or Iran it is now doing to America and Israel.

    The vaccine is in all probability a depopulation weapon, it’s weaponized antibody dependent enhancement. Depopulation and world government have nothing to do with politics and nation versus nation warfare. The world government that they want is a dictatorship, no more politics, no more nations. Trying to argue the “who done it”, as if releasing the virus was all that was being done, is just scratching the surface. “What is being done”, what is actually occurring, leads you to who did what and when and for what reason. How can you talk about the virus being a weapon without also talking about the vaccine being a weapon, the two go hand in hand? As far as weapons go the virus is super weak. Look at the VAERS report and then times than by at least 10 to get the real number. There are videos of nurses saying that VAERS isn’t being done, it takes too long to fill one out, there’s political and peer pressure not to rock the boat, etc. All roads lead to the vaccine. Their not counting deaths within the first two weeks of the second dose, why? Am I afraid of contracting the virus? No. Am I afraid of getting the vaccine? Yes. Their bioweapon virus is no where near as frightening as their bioweapon fake vaccine.

  145. some_loon says:
    @Raches

    Stringing together tradecraft jargon at random does not make you a counterintelligence analyst.

    True. All it takes to be such is to analyze data from the standpoint of ‘counterintelligence’, which many of us are doing. For free. With varying quality of work-product.

    Being paid for it is another matter, but we do not deny that someone is an athelete just because he isn’t a professional athelete, do we?

    I recall Michael Fumento saying that there is actually no formal definition, and no formal qualification, of who is an ‘epidemiologist’. He was being interviewed on some radio talk-show, and a caller asked, thinking he was making some grand point, I am sure, if Fumento is indeed an epidemiologist. Fumento said “Yes, actually”, and explained his views as stated above.

    More importantly, it is vital that we amateur epidemiologists and amateur counterintelligence analysts remember that our avocations are more investigatory in nature than expository. That is, more about learning what we do not know, rather than showing off what we pretend to know.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  146. gotmituns says:

    I/my wife and me will remain Pureblood/unvaxed until we die or are killed. The impure blooded/vaxed will die much harder than myself and my wife. Actually, when a person allows themselves to be vaccinated, they enter into the realm of a living death.

    • Replies: @Metropole
  147. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    Why do you people still believe in ANY of (((their))) “facts”?????????????

    The bio weapon is a huge myth. The agenda is the weapon. The body of lies and false data building (((their))) agenda is all irrelevant data because it was started with a biased agenda. There is no novel flu. Stop being hysterical and theatrical.

  148. @RoatanBill

    The ICC just recently refused to look into the US’s aggression against Afghanistan. That’s a clear cut guilty if there ever was one.

    Indeed, unilateral acts of aggression have been Team America’s trademark for decades.

    However, the ICC has jurisdiction only in those states that are signatories to the Rome Statute of the ICC…

    https://asp.icc-cpi.int/en_menus/asp/states%20parties/Pages/the%20states%20parties%20to%20the%20rome%20statute.aspx

    The USA, China, Russia and Iran are neither signatories nor do they accept the jurisdiction of the ICC, so these countries are effectively immune to anything the ICC might declare or attempt to do.

    In the case of Afghanistan, given that none of the aggressor states have shown the slightest contrition for their crimes and so would never consent to surrender any individual to the ICC for prosecution, referral of those entire states for prosecution by the International Court of Justice might have been a more appropriate strategy (but again, given that those criminal states also hold seats on the UN Security Council, how would that work out?).

    The ICC is set up to investigate and prosecute individuals for specified crimes. However, even for those 123 nations that are member States of the ICC, the ICC relies on the cooperation of member States to physically effect the arrest and delivery of a charged individual to the ICC.

    What this means is that, even for member States, effective investigation and prosecution of Corona Chan criminals won’t occur – the criminals simply won’t be surrendered – without first overthrowing the totalitarian regimes now operating in affected countries around the world.

    That means that the burden of change, by whatever means are necessary, remains on the oppressed populations in each affected country.

    But we have to start somewhere.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  149. some_loon says:
    @Rufus Arrr

    I was at ground zero when the Bio-Weapon hit China.

    For all you clueless Westerners, China treated it as a Bio-Weapons attack and went DEFCON ONE. China went from “Happy holidays” to screeching sirens, police and military everywhere, hazmat tanks and vehicles and roadblocks everywhere. All cell phones had this flashing red screen with instructions. All television shows went RED SCREEN with local instructions, and all militia, pioneers, Communist cadres, paramilitary forces, and about a hundred other military systems sprang into action immediately.

    Not reported in the Western ‘mews”.

    Not reported?

    What I saw in the media, if YouTube counts as such, in late December 2019 suggested that they were fighting the Battle of Stalingrad.

    A LOT of people, not just myself, said it looked like the Chicoms themselves believed that this was not of natural origin, that their response was consistent with thinking this was indeed a biowarfare attack, or at least a lab leak.

    None of this went unreported.

    • Replies: @Bernard Brandt
  150. W Baker says:

    What’s the thinking by the big brains on the site that as the WEF/US Deep State rolls out internet outages, and thus power, water, petrol, gas outages, while simultaneously popping market bubbles, the Wuhan Lab Leak will jump back into the headlines? Even though the best evidence so far is this thing was either cooked up at the University of North Carolina or Ft. Detrick, and for plausible deniability the gain of function was moved to Wuhan or dropped in the vicinity? Are the PTSB way too late with their wet dreams of war with China? The ‘Coalition of the Willing’ – was that Dubya/Blair’s ragtag name for their invasion of Iraq? – will be the US, the UK and Australia. Hardly a force to be reckoned with 1/2 way ’round the world….. And Russia just demonstrated their hypersonic missile test from a sub. (I could go on how English speaking intel has tried their best to get their populations on a war footing and the acceptance of ‘mass death’….).

    The only possible endgame I see is Obama’s Eastward Pivot, carried through by Pompeo/Fauci/et. al., will result in what they want: war with China and maybe Russia. We’ve been at that game since the end of WWII, trying to contain the East. See Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc. While Iraq, Syria and Libya have been minor affairs in attempts to control energy flows.

  151. Realist says:
    @Kuru

    When one hears phrases like “bioweapon attack”, one imagines something like ebola or some other horrific disease, not a slightly more deadly common cold.

    I felt the same way….until I came down with Covid.

    Perhaps you will suffer the same fate.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Andreas
  152. @Kuru

    Divine puff of wind to knock them over,

    The kami-sneezy…I like it.

  153. W Baker says:

    One further question, Mr. Unz, have you mentioned how Moderna, which has never brought a product to market, bragged that they cooked up their vax cocktail in 48 hours back in January 2020? What is Moderna’s financial background? Inqtel funded? Are there connections, for instance, between Eco Health or Ralph Barric and Moderna?

  154. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    My own strong suspicious is that the attack was orchestrated by a small group of the Deep State Neocons near the top of the Trump Administration, with Mike Pompeo and John Bolton being the most likely suspects.

    Arch Zionists, both. Ideological Zionists, not racial Zionists. But they knew they had millions of ideological Zionist useful idiots and racial Zionist cut-throats as accomplices who would believe or pretend to believe the Big Lie, just like millions believed and still believe or pretend to believe the 9/11 grand theater even though it’s been proven an inside job time and again.

    Really, is their any meaningful difference between believing and pretending to believe a Big Lie other than gullibility and suggestibility?

    Top ((Jews)) are experts at getting most everyone to believe a Big Lie, especially if it’s profitable, by creating the illusion and psychodrama that there is no alternative, and “Everyone is doing it.” That’s how they established Yahweh as “fact” millennia ago.

    It’s little wonder that Zionists see themselves as having license and providence over the world, given their centuries of pulling off the Big Lie. They became experts at mass psychology over those centuries.

    That’s why I argue that Christianity became a useful tool against Zionism when it flipped “Yahweh” upon himself (gave him cancer) in conjunction with Western thought until top ((Jews)) managed to fold Christianity back into Zionism, using WW2 to do it, and collectively becoming “Yahweh” again.

    A gang that would organize WW2 using Communism and Zionism to squeeze the West wouldn’t hesitate to pull a 9/11 or covid plague for fun, profit and self-aggrandizement. They also wouldn’t hesitate to assassinate a president, attack the USS Liberty and blame it on Arabs, profiteer off of the Vietnam War and cast themselves as Great Society good guys to conceal their treachery, retroactively manufacture a “Holocaust” as common knowledge starting in the 70’s, etc, etc.

    At what point do all “Americans” engaged in this grand theater mass method acting become Zionists? At what point do they even know they’re method acting? At what point do they become “believers,” particularly when “faith” is so profitable, at least until the Zionist Fed destroys the dollar?

    People, we are being jerked around by Zionist confidence man. Grow some incredulity and self-respect. Grow some nobility. Quite being doormats for Zionists.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  155. Ron Unz says:
    @Weaver

    Anything is possible, but I need to read Ron Unz’s huge article with all its many links to have an opinion. See the reply he posted near the beginning to see what I mean. It will take me ~a week if not two.

    Although reading my entire 50,000 word eBook collection would provide a huge amount of information, individuals who can’t spare the time might benefit from reading just one or two of the component articles. This one runs only about 5,000 words and can easily be read in an hour or two:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    A much longer and more comprehensive summary runs 13,000 words:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-wuhan-iran-and-several-red-herrings/

    • Replies: @jsigur
  156. @Ultrafart the Brave

    You’re preaching to the choir. I know about the ICC’s jurisdictional issues. The simple fact is that it is a bullshit organization that has no teeth. It should be ignored because it’s just theater produced and directed by the world’s crooked “leaders” to ensure that they can control it so that it never bites them in the ass.

    It was invented to prevent a legitimate organization from rising. It has first mover advantage and is backed by enough money and influence that no other organization can get a toe hold. It’s just like the political parties that are completely controlled to prevent any upstart from spoiling their scam.

  157. Realist says:
    @Ron Unz

    Sure. My own strong suspicious is that the attack was orchestrated by a small group of the Deep State Neocons near the top of the Trump Administration, with Mike Pompeo and John Bolton being the most likely suspects. Here’s an outline of my own speculative scenario:

    Agreed, from my observations those that are avaricious for wealth and power are not overly endowed with intelligence.

  158. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    I had “IT” and I am not sure why you are using dramatic terms like “fate.” It particularly affected the lungs and there were about three days where it was labored breathing. I then recovered from that and went right into doing much better.

    This is nothing novel or new. Ever heard of pneumonia?

    • Replies: @Realist
  159. If “covid” was a US biowarfare attack, then it fizzled out before it ever spread beyond Wuhan, which would not be particularly surprising given the level of competence displayed by the servants of the Anal Empire in the last few decades. The “pandemic” is obviously nothing more than a relabeling of flu and cold cases. It’s a widely known fact that there were almost no flu cases last year. Why? Because every flu case was fraudulently labeled as “covid”. In addition, the PCR test that is the entire basis for claiming there is a “pandemic” of something called “covid” is grossly inaccurate; even the New York Times has admitted 90 percent of positive results are false positives. The bottom line is that there is no proof something called “covid” exists or is capable of making anyone sick. We are dealing with a hoax of the same type as 9/11, “climate change” the Democrat victory in 2020, and earlier, “the Holocaust”, which is to say, one whose perpetrators fully expect the more intelligent parcel of the population to be on to them, but which is successfully perpetrated by censoring and punishing those who speak out. Not surprisingly, all three hoaxes were perpetrated by the same (((individuals))) and (((entities))).

  160. Sarah says:
    @Adrian E.

    But it would seem odd that Americans planning such an attack with a highly infectious virus with the goal to cause economic disruption in China and Iran would have thought that the US would be spared. One possible explanation might be that based on the experience with earlier SARS and MERS pandemics, it was thought that the new virus would spread less easily. But a virus with the relatively low lethality of SARS-Cov2 and lower infectuousness (and spread only by symptomatic patients) would hardly cause as much disruption that the risk of a bioweapon attack that might be discovered would seem worthwhile.

    Read Comment 181 about MERS from Ron Unz on his article : https://www.unz.com/runz/chinese-media-coverage-biowarfare-and-my-covid-ebook/
    Some people believe that it is impossible for the US to have launched a biological attack against China (and Iran) in 2019 because it could have backfired.

    When a head of state declares war or a general launches a battle, he accepts in advance that there will be casualties on his side.

    But, as history shows, they always believe that there will be fewer casualties on their side than on the enemy’s and that they will be victorious.

    And history often shows that after the outbreak of a war, the events turn out differently.

  161. I do not believe that Covid-19 issued from a lab either intentionally or accidentally, in Wuhan or anywhere else. The presence of Covid antibodies in donated blood has proved that the virus was circulating at a low level in human populations for months (at least) before anyone was aware of its existence. This boring little fact unfortunately puts an end to all the fantastic speculation that people seem to enjoy so much, but there it is.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  162. No explanation to why it was just Iranian elite who died. Maybe they are not elite enough for the the global ones. From my lowly perspective Covid seems to be a key component for the world’s ruling elite and their great reset. However I no longer have doubts that it the US is Fauci deep in this mess.

  163. jsigur says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ppl have been brainwashed into believing in the purity of American aims and desires. If that wasn’t true, 911 truth would have been a fact accepted by most or all. the fact that most Americans will not even consider the possibility was hit home to me in my inability to convince a Florida judge who’d I’ d grown up with, The scientific logic behind disbelief in government explanations. In fact, I have not heard one person who I went to high school with agree with my findings on 911. Of course this explains my all in endeavor to push the truth for 5 years but what I learned is in the area of government behavior, the really heinous explanations about why government has been doing what they have, is not something ppl wish to think about (Jews masquerading Jewish aims via palatable white explanations, etc.).

  164. Trinity says:

    Death stats from the Jew Flu have been fudged from the get go. Obviously this (((virus))) wasn’t as lethal as they HOPED it would be. My brother works with a guy who took the (((vaccine))) twice and recently the sucker was diagnosed with (((covid.))) haha. I, on the other hand, could give two shits about (((covid))) and they can shove their needle jab because I haven’t been sick in years. And at 60 years of age it isn’t as if I am a youngster any more. Any healthy person under the age of 50 taking the (((Jew jab))) has to have their head examined, especially young kids and young adults in their 20s. Party hard, youngsters, you are only young once, don’t let these misanthropic douchebags ruin your youth. Get out and ENJOY what is left of this world because it will soon be ending. Guarantee you that.

  165. Anonymous[717] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve read numerous articles on the origins recently. The simplest and easiest answer is that this came out of the Wuhan lab which was doing gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses.

    Whether that was accidental or deliberate depends on one’s predilection towards conspiracy theories.

    Interesting things:
    -Dazsak did attempt a coverup, organizing scientists to attack the lab-leak hypothesis
    -the State Department tried to hamper investigation fearing embarrassing blowback for the NIH funding the research

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  166. some_loon says:
    @Ron Unz

    This is not a thread for discussing whether Covid is actually dangerous or not,…

    I think you would grant that some discussion of this is germane to the topic of gain-of-function or of biowarfare.

    So unless you believe that our government is hiding 500,000 extra suicides or 500,000 extra homicides, they probably mostly died from Covid.

    Even the official numbers state that there were excess suicides, deaths from heart disease, etc. Different sites give different numbers, but one as I recall gave about 375k for Covid deaths and 130k for all other excess deaths, in the USA in 2020.

    It would not require a hiding of 500k to falsify the claim that ‘most died of Covid’; merely a re-classification of 125k would do, if the numbers I gave above reflect an accurate total of excess deaths.

  167. Mevashir says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Gain of function research may have been a misjudgement, but it is hardly low morality to dedicate yourself to investigating pathogens in order to find ways to counter them.

    My understanding is the research is done primarily to create offensive bioweapons, with your argument as a fig leaf cover to justify the programs.

    Here’s something about Israel’s offensive biowarfare:
    http://www.armagedon.org.il/ness_ziona_english.htm
    http://www.armagedon.org.il/about_us_english.htm

    • Agree: RoatanBill, Realist
  168. Mevashir says:
    @Rogue

    I think he would like to have done so. Really wish he had.

    Why didn’t he? He wasn’t shy about firing people. It’s almost like Fraudci had Trump mesmerized or maybe blackmailed.

  169. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Any conspiracy theorist worth his salt knows that the modus operandi is: 1) to create a problem; and 2) offer a solution. And it helps to generate a lot of fear to get the public to accept that solution.

    Note what we have going on in the United States today:
    *Mass fear generated by daily media coverage emphasizing case counts and deaths, despite a less than 1% infection fatality rate and mainly killing those over age 65
    *Vaccines with new technology miraculously waiting in the wings to save humanity, sped through trials and distributed with no long-term safety studies
    *Massive public relations campaign to implement a one-size fits all vaccination solution
    *Little to no discussion of the age stratification of disease risk
    *Pushing the vaccines on children although this is absolutely not justified
    *Pushing the vaccines on those that have naturally acquired immunity through previous infection
    *Suppression of early treatment protocols (ivermectin, etc)
    *Suppression of any divergent views, even from doctors and scientists
    *Mass coercion through vaccine mandates

    The simple fact is that this disease only kills a small slice of the population. Pushing new vaccines with unknown risks to the entire population is a little fishy. Far better to encourage those at high-risk to get vaccinated and let everyone else decide for themselves.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  170. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a thought:

    9/11 was a conspiracy by a subset of Israelis, Saudis, and Americans working together.

    What if the pandemic was a conspiracy by a subset of Americans and Chinese working together?

  171. Billy Ash says:

    Mr. Unz,
    The tide has not turned. Your main thesis makes no sense.

    “During the last eighteen months, I think I’ve stood nearly alone on the Internet in arguing that the late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan, China was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    Why would “rogue elements” not be able to figure out that people all over the world would be susceptible to this virus? How could they be certain that their treachery wouldn’t be exposed?

    The most logical explanation is that the virus was engineered in a Wuhan biolab and accidently released. That Americans are complicit in the engineering and coverup is certain.

    I don’t know why Iranian leadership was infected, but there may be simpler explanations than rogue Americans purposely infected them.

    I don’t know why a DIA warning could have been issued before the Chinese Communists knew of the virus. All conspiracies have unknowable elements, but I am certain that if we had all the information, your theory would be proved wrong.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  172. The two regimes most likely to end human life on this planet are based in Washington DC and Beijing.

    Beyond doubt their behaviour over decades has shown utter disregard for human life and a truly sinister propensity to drag everyone into what Churchill called ” the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. ”

  173. @some_loon

    Of course, the extreme PRC reaction to the beginning of the WuFlu pandemic could also be explained by the fact that it WAS a lab leak, and that PRC officials knew EXACTLY what was being leaked…

    • Agree: some_loon
  174. Schuetze says:
    @Chris Moore

    So what do you think the lock downs, closed borders, green card, forced vaccinations, and now the never ending boosters are about in Israel? Is that merely plausible deniability, or is there something more sinister at foot?

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  175. Andreas says:
    @Realist

    One thing I have noticed is that there doesn’t even seem to be any real agreement on what having covid is like. From a quick web search, symptoms seem to be all over the place and everyone describes the experience differently. And I still don’t know anyone who has admitted to having it. But just based on these anecdotes and short of the types of symptoms that are landing people in the hospital, it seems that I’ve had influenza symptoms that I’d describe as much worse.

  176. Agent76 says:

    May 15, 2021 The Table Top “Event 201” Pandemic Rehearsal and Its Aftermath (that accurately “predicted” the Coronavirus “pandemic” 6 weeks before it happened)

    Less than two months prior to Event 201 (October 19, 2019), Bill Gates invested up to 55 million dollars in BioNTech stock – the company that co-developed – with Pfizer – the first experimental (and still unapproved (by the FDA) 2-dose mRNA vaccine.)

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-table-top-event-201-pandemic-rehearsal-and-its-aftermath/5744198

    [MORE]

  177. I respect many of Unz’s articles, but from skimming his false-flag article(s), I don’t think his case is very strong. It’s certain POSSIBLE of course, but still seems of less probability than the best “innocent” explanation a la Occam’s Razor: an accidental infection from WIV or the other lab, in late November 2019. To the best of my knowledge, that fully explains the pandemic. It might not “explain” the earlier claims that Unz and others rely upon, e.g. an infection earlier in the year. However, to the best of my knowledge, there is absolutely no proof of an earlier incidence. Where are the blood specimens, the medical reports? Perhaps they exist, but I haven’t read a word of them.

    I can think of two powerful counter-arguments to Unz’s hypothesis:

    1. The Iran infections: Iran is a major trading partner of China. While I do not have access to records of airline passenger traffic, I made the reasonable assumption that there is frequent air travel between Iran and China. That would have been the likeliest way for the virus to spread. Did it seem to “target” high government officials. Well, who is it that travels from a relatively poor country on business? It’s government employees, or others who typically interact with the very people “targeted.” This argument is similar to explaining why Italy was hard-hit early in the pandemic: they have a sizeable resident Chinese worker population.

    2. China’s behavior after the outbreak is guilty, guilty, guilty. There are reliable (at least, as any of them were) reports that they destroyed records and threatened and even disappeared personnel. Nearly two years on, they continue to stymie independent inspection of the lab. Need I point out that this is not the way an innocent party typically behaves? One explanation of this is simply normal (communist) cover-up instinct. Also the Oriental “face saving” impetus. Denying you screwed up in the research lab might be sufficient. However, I will allow this doesn’t rule out an Unz scenario. In either case, it’s possible the Chinese were doing illegal bio-weapon research in the lab and were erasing the trail.

    There may be more arguments that weaken his case, but those are two I can think of now.

    I thank Mr. Unz for his fine forum, and allowing authors and users to debate the issues. However, I find it curious that he himself continues to hardly treat the issues of the Pandemic, the vaccines and the ongoing governmental authoritarian in the name of public health. These in the opinion of many are far more injurious to society and seem to be only worsening.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  178. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Titus Jerusalem Smasher

    It seems far more likely that Zionist Jews are behind Covid. USA does not have a track record anywhere near Israel when it comes to false flags and war by deception.

    No, more likely rogue elements in the American Deep State (military elements, DIA). Couple of reasons why.

    Israel was tipped off in the second week of November 2019 and went public with it.

    TV: US intelligence alerted Israel of coronavirus in mid-November

    April 16, 2020

    US intelligence agencies alerted Israel to the dangers posed by the coronavirus outbreak in China in November, Channel 12 reports.

    According to the report, the US intelligence community became aware of the emerging disease in Wuhan in the second week of November and drew up a classified document.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/tv-us-intelligence-alerted-israel-of-coronavirus-in-mid-november/

    Interesting that they would go public with this information. Indicating they were miffed about this operation while also contemptuous of those behind it.

    And here’s an interesting bit from another Israeli news outlet (April 16, 2020):

    The US government reportedly gave Israel advanced warning over the emerging threat the coronavirus posed in China around mid-November.

    According to Israeli broadcaster Channel 12, US intelligence agencies became aware of the danger posed by COVID-19 as it battered the central city of Wuhan in China’s Hubei province.

    The information was then handed over to the White House, “which did not deem it of interest,” according to Channel 12.

    https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/1587059866-report-us-warned-israel-about-covid-19-in-november

    U.S. intelligence elements warn Israel and Israel informs the White House? And the White House pooh-poohs it? Huh?

    So, Israel is saying an element of U.S. intelligence warned them the second week of November 2019.

    1st known case of coronavirus traced back to November in China

    March 14, 2020

    A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe. That case dates back to Nov. 17, 2019

    https://www.livescience.com/first-case-coronavirus-found.html

    So, the U.S. intelligence community knew about a new viral infection breaking out when only one human being had just contracted it? Sounds like how the FBI uncovers extremist plots before they’re hatched. See a pattern?

    So, why is it clear a rogue military element is behind this bioweapon operation? Remember all the breaking news in conservative channels about the Chinese defector last summer? A scientist who actually worked in the Wuhan lab and who was gonna spill the beans on China being responsible for the virus? It was so laughable and ludicrous but apparently being propagated by the same inept rogue military intelligence elements.

    From Gateway Pundit:

    Reports: Chinese Defector Was Shielded from FBI Leadership and Other Agencies Because of Concerns That They Are Deep State Entities Who’d Try to Bury the Information
    By Joe Hoft
    Published June 7, 2021

    News released about a Chinese defector who had been protected from FBI leadership indicates there was a split at the FBI between the leadership and the agents.
    We reported late last week that a Chinese defector confirmed that COVID-19 was man-made in a laboratory. This led to the Obama/Biden administration changing its narrative about the origin of the China coronavirus.

    From Townhall:

    There’s a Chinese Defector in U.S. Custody, and the Fallout Could be Huge
    Matt Vespa
    Jun 04, 2021

    Well, the Wuhan lab leak story just got more interesting. Our friends at RedState touched upon a new story from a Chinese defector who allegedly has information about a slew of bioweapons programs, including possibly the coronavirus. Let’s say on the latter, it was a lab experiment that obviously went wrong. Sources told RedState that the FBI is fully aware of this development. Adam Housley also corroborated this story, adding that China is speeding to create variants from bats to cover up their lab fiasco…

    There’s an old adage that the cover-up is worse than the crime, well take it from this seasoned investigator that cover-ups usually expose the perpetrator(s).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  179. Realist says:
    @Anon

    Your experience is indicative of all cases. It is more debilitating to older people.

    Yes, I have heard of pneumonia…I had it many years ago. Covid is in no way like pneumonia…much more complex.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Anon
  180. Dystopian says:

    Mr. Unz conveniently ignores that Washington is literally afloat in CCP bribe money. Nobody there would act without permission from their paymasters. He also ignores the overreaction of the entire world to a non event. Making theories about the minutia of how the virus was released only distracts us of from asking the obvious question. Who has enough clout to pull this off?

    • Agree: Skeptikal
  181. @Ron Unz

    So unless you believe that our government is hiding 500,000 extra suicides or 500,000 extra homicides, they probably mostly died from Covid.

    What is your estimate on the number who died from the ventilator and remdesivir? I have seen testimonies from many nurses and doctors claiming that this treatment, mandated in most American hospitals, is the proximate cause of death for the majority.

    Can that seriously be attributed to the virus rather than medical malpractice or worse?

    How many people have died “from the virus” who were not vented and/or poisoned with remdesivir (and usually midazolam)?

    • Thanks: Skeptikal
  182. Trinity says:

    Tucker had a segment on his show last night devoted to Saint Fauci and his latest contradictions and lies. The average age of people ALLEGEDLY dying from (((covid))) in the state of Ohio exceeds the average life expectancy by 6 years. haha. I think the figures were average life expectancy was 73 year of age and average age of person who ALLEGEDLY died from (((covid))) to be 79 years of age. And God only knows how many of those (((covid))) death stats were FUDGED.

    Now this brings us to all the Brown and Black invaders streaming across our southern border with diseases like tuberculosis, MRSA, ebola, (((covid/delta))) and even leprosy in some cases. Now IF “our” government was that worried about the health and well being of this nation would they not have moratorium on all immigration at this point and time, much less letting a bunch of invaders with God only knows what diseases just walking across our border or catching a red eye flight on Soros Invader Airlines.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  183. @anon

    One doesn’t even need to have much more practical experience than ever having purchased or cooked frozen food to know the lobster story is a load of crap. Please consider the following points:

    1. Seafood is one of the quickest foods to spoil It must be kept cold (deep frozen).

    2. While viruses can (and must) survive outside the body (or else they wouldn’t spread, and they’d die out), deep freezing must be a very adverse environment.

    3. If your intent was to spread a virus that is (usually) airborne transmission, I can’t think of a much less likely to be successful way than a block of matter that must remain frozen solid, and when it’s finally used, will be quickly heated way past sterilizing temperatures.

    4. Even in the case of live virus in the food, it seems very unlikely that skin or hand contamination would lead directly to a respiratory infection.

    I offer the above as an exercise in deconstructing the fanciful stories that are the meat of forums like this, or the “respectable” media for that matter. It’s amazing how far a little general knowledge and common sense can carry one. It won’t always be perfect, but it will serve as an excellent bullshit filter.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Anon
  184. @Nancy

    Especially in light of his prior handling of the AIDS situation? (He’s been ‘doing this’ for a looooonng time.)

    This has been puzzling me. Why hasn’t an enraged shirt lifter whacked this guy? He killed tens of thousands of buggerers and yet not one of them sought revenge for his lost top or bottom? I have pissed off homos a few times in my life and my experience is universally that they hold grudges forever and will try relentlessly to get “even” for the insult or injury.

    Why are the fags so forgiving of this evil gnome?

  185. @Wizard of Oz

    The CDC estimates that there are 4.2-fold more Covid infections in the USA than reported:
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
    There are 44.7 million reported cases, so about 187 million Americans have survived Covid and have the much better Natural Immunity than what the Spike Protein (S1) Vaccines offer.
    Deaths are under and over-estimated in different countries, often for political reasons. In most countries the average age of death in 82 to 86; in the US 78 (very suspicious across millions of deaths).

    Here’s what I saw after posting from Singapore, one of the more trust-worthy Public Health authorities.
    From the Ministry of Health in Singapore on the delta variant outbreak :
    Over the last 28 days, the percentage of local cases who were asymptomatic or had mild symptoms is 98.2%. 544 cases required oxygen supplementation and 54 had been in the ICU. Of these, 50.5% were fully vaccinated and 49.5% were unvaccinated/ partially vaccinated.
    61 have died of Covid, of whom 31.1% were fully vaccinated (two jabs of Pfizer or Moderna S1-vaccines) and 68.9% were unvaccinated/ partially vaccinated.

    Since 80% are fully vaccinated that means only about 6% by proportion of Covid deaths occurred in the fully vaccinated relative to similar sized cohort of partially vaccinated/ unvaccinated. Still, 94% protection from death is far below the 99.9% spewed by Biden and his media. The deaths are almost universally in the Elderly.

    Singapore has vaccinated over 82% (they don’t count the Chinese Sinovac). Almost everyone of their 113 deaths were between 60 and 100 years old (an outlier, a 50 year old Singaporean, made headlines as the youngest death in Singapore).

    They also track serious Covid cases, requiring oxygen. Of over 200 serious cases ongoing (as of last few days and increasing) about 95% are over age 60. Singapore has stopped giving co-morbidity reports because age is the only really important one.

    The Public Health officials there are talking about boosters for the Elderly and sickly, but are hoping those vaccinated will have mild cases (as 98.2% of all infected so far, vaccinated and unvaccinated) and that natural immunity will take over. Very impressive, clever group (I actually worked briefly with the head of their testing group).

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Anon
  186. Mevashir says:
    @Rogue

    Agree with you that Trump should have fired Fauci. I think he would like to have done so. Really wish he had.

    If we assume the following it all makes sense:

    1. The Covid scam was designed primarily to funnel enormous amounts of \$\$\$s to BigPharma.

    2. Many of these companies have Jewish and/or Israeli CEOs. (I suspect that Israel receives the Covaxx for free in exchange for using its population as unwitting guinea pigs for BigPharma statistical analysis.)

    3. The true power in the Trump era was Kushner: he was the shadow president and the only advisor Trump really trusted. Kushner arranged the Abraham Accords and probably was active behind the scenes in almost every area of policy.

    4. Kushner and Ivanka are members of the extreme Chabad sect. Unlike most Hassidics, Chabadniks are encouraged to get a secular education and to obtain prestigious employment. They can be found in government agencies like NASA. Chabad are the same folks who connived Reagan to sign the Noahide Bill, which basically criminalizes traditional forms of Christianity. It is a real testimony to the stupidity of American Christians and their evil pastors that this bill flew under the radar without comment. (Here’s a video of Javanka visiting the grave of the Chabad-Lubavitcher Schneersohn’s grave just before the 2016 election. Later they would claim that his spiritual intercession swung the election to DJT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS95EjS6i7g)

    5. Once Trump realized the windfall profits ensuing from the Covaxx, he was totally onboard. In fact, it’s likely he received significant payoffs from the interested parties for his compliance.

    Trump was a true Manchurian candidate: not for Russia but for Israel and its ultra-right-wing Zionist faction led by Adelson and Netanyahu. (The same faction that collaborated with the NAZI regime in the 1930s.)

    • Thanks: Trinity
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Rogue
    , @Derer
  187. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Sorry I didn’t provide the links to those defector stories.

    Gateway Pundit: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/reports-chinese-defector-shielded-fbi-cia-agencies-concerns-possess-chinese-spies__trashed-2/

    Townhall: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/06/04/we-have-another-interesting-wuhan-lab-leak-development-from-a-chinese-detector-n2590502

    I also didn’t make it clear that an entity within the DIA, and its Defense Clandestine Service, was behind the cover-up propaganda and thus no doubt behind the initial crime. And they were the agency who also claimed to be handling the “Chinese defector”. [eye roll w/ ok sign]

    It’s also no coincidence that the DIA is largely a U.S. Army-headed operation and the military personnel involved in the 7th CISM Military World Games were U.S. Army.

  188. Government statistics are crap. Audit Excess Death totals.

    My private sector, major automobile insurance company rebated premiums due to fewer passenger miles and its experience with fewer claims. I wonder whether it raised its rates for life insurance.

    The government always prolongs suffering. It shutdown the economy in 3/20. That’s a good indicator that the worst of the Covid problem had already passed by then.

  189. @Dumbo

    There has to be a corollary to your theory that you haven’t mentioned. The smart tough decision makers of Israel would find the extra deaths of the Ultra Orthodox, Falasha and the Palestinians all pretty well equally acceptable as well as predictable😎

  190. @Ron Unz

    Ron’s continued denial of an accidental lab leak is curious. Since we deal in conspiracy theories here, why not the following: Unz is running cover for the very entities that would lose the most if Lab Leak is validated. This would of course, be the Chinese military, but also much of the US medical, academic and governmental units that engaged in or funded the (open) research on the viruses.

    Ron, the testimony of one witness, even if he really is as presented, doesn’t weaken the possibility of a lab leak in the slightest. Absence of proof is not proof of absence. There is still abundant other, granted all circumstantial, evidence that gives strong weight to a WIV virus event.

    Ron’s continual unwillingness to countenance the “lab hypothesis” is most odd. Here is a man who delves into other forbidden or memory-holed issues, historical or current, yet he treats in a hands off manner the biggest medical disaster of over a century, and very likely, a man-made one.

    If I didn’t know better, I would suspect Unz of being a deliberate agent of disinformation for obvious parties.

    • Thanks: Mevashir
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  191. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Schuetze

    So what do you think the lock downs, closed borders, green card, forced vaccinations, and now the never ending boosters are about in Israel?

    Top ((Jews)) don’t respect even their own, but as automatons for the Zionist agenda and their own self-aggrandizement.

    You might as well ask, So what do you think circumcision, genital mutilation, Talmudist brainwashing, and Holocaust scare tactics are about in Israel?

    ((Jews)) can only exist as subordinates to the method acting Zionists, who have agreed to undertake covid mass theater in conjunction with Western and international Zionists. They’ll take their mass theater all the way, just as they take their ritualistic and psychological torture all the way.

    Religious ((Jews)) might object to the covid “vaccine” dumb down, but they’re subordinate to the international Zionists, because they know they wouldn’t exist but for the international Zionists, and are already engaged in dumb-down brainwashing anyway.

    The Big Lie — in for a penny, in for a pound.

    • Agree: Mevashir
  192. geokat62 says:
    @Max Payne

    It’s more likely Israel released the virus at the Wuhan military games to get that stunning 10% political elite infection rate in Iran.

    The old adage of “all roads lead to Rome” needs to be updated to “all roads lead to Zion.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  193. “During the last eighteen months, I think I’ve stood nearly alone on the Internet in arguing that the late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan, China was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    Even if you are on the money, you haven’t articulated as to what they would gain from it because it seems that the business is going on as usual with China. What gives?

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Wizard of Oz
  194. I find it hard to believe – but on the other hand, politicians on both sides of the Atlantic have conspired to replace the founding populations of their countries, a far worse thing. A people/nation can recover from war, disease, famine – but not population replacement. Look at Fiji, with it’s 50% Indian-descended population – people imported there because employers thought they’d make harder working and more docile labourers.

    The one big piece of circumstantial evidence in favour of the man-made hypothesis is that governments (and government-funded scientists) of all hues seem remarkably uninterested in trying to find out where the virus came from.

    You’d think, if it’s cost them so much, they’d want to know, to try and prevent a repeat.

  195. geokat62 says:
    @Mevashir

    Chabad are the same folks who connived Reagan to sign the Noahide Bill, which basically criminalizes traditional forms of Christianity. It is a real testimony to the stupidity of American Christians and their evil pastors that this bill flew under the radar without comment.

    These words need to be bolded and highlighted with flashing neon lights.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  196. @Gentile Debtslave

    “Is it not the case the W”Ron unz” is merely another gatekeeper quietly harvesting the IPs and locations of the last gentile free thinking targets on earth….”

    I have sometimes idly wondered that myself. I really should use Brave’s Tor browsing option more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Attractor

  197. @Achmed E. Newman

    Just an amusing addition to your implicit mention of the government of “Dictator Dan’ [Andrews – the Premier=Prime Minister] in our state [not province BTW] of Victoria. Andrews is a shrewd politician and a political hard man backed, in the Labor Party, by the toughest Left Wing union, the CMFEU [if left means anythiing these days when teachers and nurses own the real left unions]. I actually applauded the fact that, during our big first lockdown construction of big building projects continued even if Dictator Dan wasn’t acknowledging the influence of the construction workers’ union on him. However, they have been locked down too as the Delta strain struck and their protests have been much more vigorous than earlier ones like a BLM eruption (a joke in Victoria, indeed in Australia) . And, together with the odd Bolshie Orthodox Jewish engagement party and celebration by football club supporters of their club’s winning a Grand Final played in another state the construction workers have done a pretty good superspreading job. Few deaths and kids who ought to be going to school and catching the virus well before they can give it to grandparents at Christmas are being kept out of school but I don’t see much sign of social harm.

    It amuses me slightly tbat the Premier, back in his days as Minister for Health, slowed he was as good as the Liberals at cutting expenditure by over centralising the health department and reducing the section dealing with epidemics almost to nothing. Oh yes, he had to take time out for couple of months after a very bad fall last year. I have just learned that the fall was down the stairs at a party given by a trucking magnate who would general be thought of as a Liberal supporter.

  198. @Paul Craig Roberts

    The “vaccine” is a bio attack on the population of the entire Western world.

    Thanks for your work on this subject. And thanks to Ron for publishing some of it (I read your stuff at Lee Rockwell).

    I don’t think that we can be absolutely certain that this is really all about the vaccine and depopulation, but there’s definitely enough smoke that we can be certain of a fire somewhere. Nothing about the past two years passes my bullshit detector.

    Like most readers here, I think, I am highly puzzled by Ron’s lack of skepticism about the bug juice and even more so about his professed lack of curiosity in the largest government propaganda effort in history and designed entirely to manipulate people into injecting an mRNA therapy. In any case, thanks again for your work and in a year or two we should know what has been done to us.

  199. anonymous[509] • Disclaimer says:

    Link to a C-Span clip from 2019 that was sent to Jones.
    Either the speakers are behind this whole covid psyop or psychics are real and just happen to be on this panel..


  200. @American Citizen

    Trump is a Shabbos Goy. He knew exactly what was going on and played his part.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  201. @Achmed E. Newman

    Anyone who looks at mortality rates in 2021 compared to a longer time period, e.g. 20 years, would say the uptick in death rates was a blip … at best a reversion toward, albeit nowhere near the mean.

    When officialdom and the MSM present raw death counts, they make it look scary by cumulatively ratcheting it up (if they had done that with the flu, the toll would be really super scary at this point), and it is further gamed by no adjustment for aging of the population and increase in the total population over time.

    The scary 500k to which Ron refers looks scary because of mortality displacement, i.e. increased deaths were the the “low hanging fruit” of sick people who would die in future periods pulled into 2020. What looks really scary is 2021 starting out looking better than 2020 and even the earlier 2015-2019 average, but then experiencing an uptick of excess deaths from all causes after vaccinations had started in earnest as 2021 rolled along into July.

    The US and UK have horrendous infant mortality rates for so-called First-World nations, largely because they are top importers of Third-World “workers.”

    Then there’s this with regard to increases in serious child injuries and deaths once their vaxxing began:

    https://dailysceptic.org/2021/10/01/deaths-among-teenagers-up-56-since-vaccine-rollout-began/

    I can’t wait to see what all those highly qualified healthcare workers Governess Hochul wants to import to replace the fired un-vaxxed medical professionals does for the overall mortality rate of NY.

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
  202. Ron, I hope you will not mind, but there is one question for which I have no answer yet and it cannot get out of my head.

    mRNA vaccines are set to produce the spike protein by one’s own cells.

    So why not inject directly this spike protein as a vaccine?

    • Replies: @Streets n San
    , @Anonymous
  203. @Andreas

    i’ve had it, my husband & gp have it as well. we 3 are all 70 & older & have other issues: i have had a life long history of pneumonia & have copd; my husband doesn’t have a pituitary & takes meds to correct; our gp has asthma. b/c we contracted it in the fall of 2019 & were living on the west coast no one knew what we were dealing with. our gp—old school & thorough initially refused to give us antibiotics as having been trained to believe they were a last resort & not to over prescribe. i am only now climbing out of the wreckage. my husband is currently being treated for colon cancer.

    [MORE]
    my lungs are barely functioning & one of the studies i read from oxford claimed that due to micro bleeding the lungs are not congested so much as suffering the effects of coagulation; which from my personal experience with lung issues & having had more than a dozen cases of pneumonia absolutely makes sense. b/c we were left on our own to heal ourselves & b/c it was long before tests we have floated under the radar. we survived thanks to a life long belief in mega vitamins, herbs & an abstinence of junk food. we all 3 believe it was a bioweapon, out of fort detrick. our gp has followed the medical trials & advised us against the vaccine, which he also believes is a bioweapon. his journey began with a firm belief in ‘good medicine’ & the process of rigorous research, & the oath to do no harm. he is as you might be able to imagine monumentally disillusioned @ this point & plans to retire rather than take the jab or advise his patients to…he has been cautioned for prescribing ivermectin. i have followed this since the fall of 2019, reading everything i could find, as has our gp. there is an upcoming trial in victoria bc against our health minister, my husband a lawyer is very attentive to it bt fears it will be lost due to section A in the constitutional, which states to the effect the greater good over-rides the right of individual. sigh. just as pharma has locked down contracts absolving them. nuremberg will eventually happen…china, russia, iran all know the truth. china & russia were prepared, their vaccines are not weapons designed to harm their aged or vulnerable bt rather protect them. this fact alone is startling & displays the truth of what michael hudson has commented upon many times—we are in the midst of a war of systems, that which values its population & wishes all to prosper for in that all truly flourish & the western model where the population is to be turned in serfs @ best or slaves to oligarchy. we in the west have been so media mind numbed we cannot see this bt continue to belief in the myths & distractions & refuse to see the evil surrounding us & driving full speed to nuclear war—we are indeed are already @ war, russia/china/cuba/iran/syria/libya/iraq/lebanon already know we are war.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Arthur MacBride
  204. @Joe Paluka

    Again, follow the money. Let’s see. First we need a disease. Then we need a cure. No. No. I have it backwards. We have a cure, now we need a disease. Something we can blame on the Chinese. Or the Russians.

    We also need panic news coverage from our “friends” in the media to arouse fear in their viewers. Well, at least in the United States and Europe. Demands that we “do something”. Now!!!!

    Lockdown everything. Economic collapse. Trump ejected.

    See. Success for everyone. Trumps out and profits for everyone. Wellllll,,,,everyone that counts. Them. You know. The people who own shares in the big Pharma companies. Hospitals. The medical/industrial industry.

  205. geokat62 says:
    @Mevashir

    Your hypertext link is broken.

  206. @Mevashir

    The whole global human population is a bio weapons testing field, and we’re all actors playing bit parts in Hogans Hero’s until our time is up. Don’t think for one minute Big Pharma’s Mad Scientists hasn’t got your NSA/Mossad DNA locked into their radar for future extermination, especially if you are of Germanic/Nordic ancestry.

  207. Mevashir says:
    @emersonreturn

    I am very sorry to read of your suffering. I have an Australian friend who’s lived here in the USA for the last 50 years. He’s obsessed about the threat from China and is totally covaxx compliant even though he has COPD and many other health issues. If he is typical of Australians’ level of perception, then you all are in real trouble.

    this fact alone is startling & displays the truth of what michael hudson has commented upon many times—we are in the midst of a war of systems, that which values its population & wishes all to prosper for in that all truly flourish & the western model where the population is to be turned in serfs @ best or slaves to oligarchy.

    I have longed argued that the true model of America is the plantation where only the wealthy owner is respected while all others even hard working people are viewed with contempt as ngger slaves without rights dignity or inherent value.

    The plantation system was operated by White mercantile farmers in collusion with Sefardic Jewish slave traders. Apparently that partnership persists down to this day.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  208. @Olivier1973

    Oliver, the spike protein will not attach directly to cells unless a delivery system accompanies the spike. The body will just clean up the spikes without recognizing them as a threat. Attachment amd protrusion from the membrane as would form naturally is required for efficacy.

    • Replies: @Bernard Brandt
  209. @Andreas

    There isn’t a single type of case and that is why it isn’t like any other cold or flu.

    People can have horrible cases that are much worse than the flu while others are asymptomatic.

    Being healthy is no guarantee that you will get a light case. It makes it less likely but it doesn’t grant protection.

    I know a lot of people and have seen every type of case.

    The shocking thing is how someone with a ton of underlying conditions can still get a light case and someone healthy can end up intubated. Statistically unlikely but it happens.

    We don’t fully understand it and there is most likely some type of genetic factor. I know someone with heart and lung problems that I thought was doomed when I heard he had it. Not a single symptom. Meanwhile my very healthy friend got taken out for two weeks.

    Early on my wife knew someone that was pretty healthy and didn’t think it was a big deal. Went on a cruise and never returned.

    • Agree: Realist
  210. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olivier1973

    Traditional vaccines would do just that: take dead, weakened, or parts of an infectious agent and inject them. These were more expensive, would sometimes cause the actual disease, and often have all kinds of harmful additives.

    The promise of mRNA vaccines is that they can be created much quicker and cheaper. No actual infectious agent is needed. The bodies own cells will produce it.

    HOWEVER, this is new technology, never approved as a vaccine for human use before. They selected the spike protein as the antigen, which may or may not be problematic. And there is no long-term safety data yet.

    ADDITIONALLY, because it only trains the body to react to spike proteins, it does not give broad protection. In all likelihood, the virus will evolve around these vaccines, requiring booster shots in perpetuity.

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @RoatanBill
  211. @anonymous

    Some cancers when targeted, break up and affect different parts of the human body and then spread independently. I feel the same will happen if CIA is ever disbanded,

    • LOL: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  212. Bert33 says:

    I think the genome, the psyche, and the atom should be set aside as three things you don’t mess with or we’ll all die, pretty much. The cardinal rule of medicine is “above all, do no harm”. Well, the big medicos an the big tech and big govt. people screwed around, and COVID is the result. Hopefully, we will see the alphabet soup people put out of business, so, no more NIH/CDC/WHO etc., and Dr. Fauci at his sentencing hearing. Also hopefully Big Pharma audits, and the Lng Talk with Big Tech and Big Govt. about authoritarian control freak and all their computer spytoys, because there’s no shot to protect against that mess.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
  213. @Anonymous

    Excellent summary, #280!

    I hate to paraphrase THAT GUY, but “It’s the PanicFest, stupid.”

  214. @Rabbitnexus

    Your video is blocked—by Bitchute. Looks like ‘alt-er’ alts will be carrying this water. So far Rokfin and Odysee have not censored folks. I know there are many others as well, but some bomb the viewer with material too far out in the weeds for a ‘normal’ person—even in these times.

  215. @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz writes (in relation to his claim of 15 million Covid deaths – which some commenters have disputed):

    Well, that estimate is based upon the total number of “excess deaths” in various countries. There’s a long analysis in The Economist, and I linked to it when I cited the 15 million death figure above.

    So Ron, is that the same ‘The Economist’ magazine which the Rothschilds have a controlling interest in (being the largest shareholders) ?

    Well then, that settles it.

    The Rothschilds would never tell us a fib.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  216. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read…Your experience is not indicative

  217. @Trinity

    Thank you, Trinity. You have brought up this latest example of US Feral Government Anarcho-Tyranny, in which the good law-abiding people are forced to undergo tyrannical regulations and coercion while the people that are to destroy the country are not even put in jail one night for burning buildings down!

    The Kung Flu and newest mass immigration invasion or just another example. VDare has been writing for years on the spread of other diseases from parts south to America that were formerly not seen in many decades, having been eradicated. Peak Stupidity has a small summary post about this Anarcho-tyranny as applied to the US border, with links to many VDare articles saying the same thing PS has been – see “Immigration Stupidity v Kung Flu Stupidity”.

    In agreement with your main point again, NO, the authorities are not scared shitless, as if this thing were Black Death 2.0. They can use the PanicFest to continue Police Statement implementation on the Americans, while enforcing nothing that will impede the Great Replacement invasion.

    • Agree: Realist
  218. @Ben the Layabout

    Thanks for your great comments, Ben. Common sense though? No, I don’t think common sense can be sent over the internet. I don’t see much on it.

  219. Mevashir says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    “During the last eighteen months, I think I’ve stood nearly alone on the Internet in arguing that the late 2019 Covid outbreak that began in Wuhan, China was probably the result of an American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    What disturbs me is the egotism in this statement. RU seems to crave publicity and attention. He is not a true hero who seeks the common good but rather seeks to piggy-back upon this crisis for his own self-aggrandizement. This is especially apparent in his dismissive attitude to the Covaxx. He wants to be adulated as a clever Sherlock Holmes but not as a humane and compassionate Albert Schweitzer.

    Zero respect.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  220. This chart shows that since the 1950’s, combined global world wide population deaths average is around +-50 million. To show if C19/Frankenshot deaths are real and relevant, deduct 50 million from 2020 deaths. My guess is this plandemic bio weapon was used primarily for shutting down economies, not killing humans. Unless shutdowns turn into a civil war, I wouldn’t panic.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-deaths-per-year

  221. @Raches

    When you say that the Covid pandemic “probably already ranks as the most important global event since World War II, with an impact easily exceeding the collapse of the Soviet Union or the 9/11 Attacks and the Middle Eastern wars they unleashed,” that is not hyperbole—and the story is still breaking.

    When governments shut down schools and hundreds of millions of children are prevented from going to school for over a year that does have a big impact. But it was the overreaction to Covid 19 and NOT the virus itself. When hundreds of thousands of business were forced to close after being tagged as “unessential” that does have a big impact. But it was the government choosing the winners that caused this huge shakeout; Covid 19 did NOT blow down these business buildings nor did illness from Covid kill or incapacitate all the people in these small businesses. It was the overreaction. Or rather, the controlled demolition.

    True, before long other acts of biowar may actually decimate our numbers. As for the current situation I will let Gerry Celente sum it up with the latest:

  222. peterike says:
    @Ron Unz

    Given that very low fatality rate Covid obviously wasn’t designed as an anti-personnel bioweapon, but very likely an anti-economy bioweapon

    Yes, but the economic wounds are entirely self-inflicted. The proper response to Covid from Day 1 was “do nothing.” Had we ignored it, 95% of the population, even now, would have no idea anything unusual was going on. The most awareness would be, “Hey did you hear how 50 old people died in that nursing home in Queens from some virus? Gosh.” That’s it, that’s your whole “pandemic” absent the media circus and the panic-fest. No overrun hospitals, because it didn’t happen. No bodies piling up in the streets. Nothing whatsoever worth noticing, a blip on the radar.

    Meanwhile, we’ve now vaccinated (or rather, provided mRNA transfections, not vaccines at all) with a potion that is now proving to (1) provide no protection (2) actually make you MORE susceptible to new variants because the shot mis-directs your immune system (3) likely makes you MORE susceptible to ALL coronaviruses for the same reason and (4) may potentially disrupt your ability to fight the production of tumor cells, meaning we will see a lot more cancer in years to come.

    Ron, if you haven’t watched the videos from JJ Couey you really need to. Indeed, you should host them on Unz.

    https://www.twitch.tv/gigaohmbiological

    • Replies: @rufus clyde
  223. Realist says:
    @Andreas

    But just based on these anecdotes and short of the types of symptoms that are landing people in the hospital, it seems that I’ve had influenza symptoms that I’d describe as much worse.

    Your anecdotal example is useless.

  224. @TKK

    TKK writes:

    At this point, I personally know of a 47, 49 and a 60 that have died from Covid last week, but they were obese.

    Do you KNOW for certain that they died of Covid or were they REPORTED to have died from Covid ?

    There is a difference you know.

    Did said individuals ALL have comprehensive autopsies performed that state unambiguously they died ONLY from Covid (as opposed to dying from other comorbidities but then being labelled a Covid death because of the rampant fraud and chicanery being perpetrated in the U.S to goose up the Covid mortality).

    It is my contention that, rather than 700,000 official Covid deaths in the U.S, the actual figure is far, FAR less.

    • Replies: @TKK
  225. @EdwardM

    If that’s true, then the excess death count should be be below expectations for a several-year period after the virus ramps down. I hope we see this analysis but I am not optimistic that our esteemed scientists will show much interest.

    This is correct.

    I would add that deaths from the various underlying conditions will appear as if they have decreased when in fact COVID killed people that would have died in a year or two and left the survivors. I’m sure some liberal journalist will miss this and declare that the fight against some disease is making progress. Watch for a misinterpreted racial angle as well.

  226. sally says:
    @Kuru

    Mounting evidence suggest the man made, man directed distribution of the Covid 19 pandemic has been exposed.. What the propaganda has done is to reveal just how well coordinated the invasion into the mind of men has been. Who would have thought a few could arrange such a global event and maintain it as the narrative for nearly two years?

    The propaganda and mandates that followed the release or discovery of Covid-19 showed the world, that the system of 256 different nation states which govern all of the people in the world, are behaviour-ally coordinated, that is, they synergize to devour independent behavior and to block social interaction among those the system governs. Governed captive dependents are suppose to conform, not resist, and insist on evidence, proof and rational reason. Governed captive dependents (the mass of governed humanity) are suppose to accept what government mandates. no matter the negative result. but first a few then many, and now most see it for what it has been.

    PIGOs were attempting to use the nation state system to inject their venom in all of mankind. Bioweapon or propaganda hoax, all has turned out to be, nothing more than one big attack on democracy and human independence, conducted by those who access to the controls that operate the nation state system [the PIGOs private, imperialistic Global Oligarchs]. No politician, no person in elected government, has the brain power to think something like this up nor do such peons of mind, have the presence to make it work throughout the world. This pandemic was conducted by people with intelligence, people with a vengeance against human productivity, people with the wealth and means to pull it off, that is not a description of politicians expressing their silly desires for power, by selling their soles to the PIGO its something quite more powerful.

    • Replies: @David from Alaska
  227. @Truth Vigilante

    Death rates around the world have been pretty consistent.

    As they pointed out in The Wire it’s pretty hard to reclassify a body.

    I don’t think India faked lining up bodies along the Ganges to burn in open pits.

    There are also endless articles on how small town mortuaries are overloaded and have had to turn people away. Most of these are owner/operated businesses so it is difficult to believe they are in on a conspiracy

    It all matches what Ron pointed out using CDC data.

  228. HbutnotG says:
    @Andreas

    I caught it twice inside of 12 weeks. The defining symptom? A peculiar but definite loss of my sense of taste for a day or 2 both times. The second time was preceded by a day of dysesthesia (smelling things that weren’t there)…then, the next day, loss of my sense of taste for a day. Everything else was nothing more than just “not feeling 100% tip top.” The first episode was followed by a sporadic dry hacky non-productive cough X 2 weeks, but otherwise I felt fine. The second time included 1 – 2 days of a moderately severe sore throat – but nothing much more. I was 70 and a heavy smoker when this happened (early-mid 2020).

    [MORE]

    It’s what was once referred to as a “chest cold”. The dry hacky cough is the most consistent symptom. It probably causes some degree of interstitial pneumonitis in everybody(not to be confused with “pneumonia.” – an entirely different thing). People with compromised pulmonary function before infected can wind up hospitalized. Happened to my asthmatic 10 yr old neighbor about 60 yrs ago.

    A “chest cold” was always worse than a “head cold.” And flu – 10X worse. Corona = 5 days off of school and a dry hacky cough for a week, instead of 2 days off and no cough. Nothing more in 99+% of cases.

    • Replies: @Realist
  229. @Ron—I intuited this as a possibility early on in the Wuhan Con, like so much else these days I held my fire and filed it away, along with so much more evidence of suspicious nature. Anyone (and there are obviously a number of them commenting here) who has not delved deeply enough into the history of our nation’s domestic and overseas spy agencies—would likely find your speculation ‘a bridge too far,’ whereas for me it’s ‘just another day at the ‘Spook Office’ insofar as the studies I have done. Nefarious. Nefariousness without limits.

    There’s the rub: Our 3 Letter agencies have this country’s denizens so thoroughly brainwashed it is only with a supreme effort that any can break the long-cast spell of cognitive dissonance—they are that unknowingly well-trained by advertising and constant subliminal messaging that begins pre-school with television roping them in from the get-go. And in its incessancy over a lifetime they yet think it’s all about their own ‘independent’ thinking, whereas in truth they have been so dumbed-down they actually ‘think’ (believe) they truly know what’s going on…and down. They might as well be a seal on a beach ball tooting a horn. The mass trans-generational hypnosis that has been perpetrated on U.S. citizenry is a true wonder to behold, albeit an epic tragedy for our species in its long term consequences. But it sure made and keeps a select Few über-wealthy in material goods.

    It is my considered belief that biowarfare has indeed been chosen as the kinetic expression of aggression by the Owners. The money will continue to flow into nuclear arms as well, but only (among serious minds) for the purposes of projecting threat without consequences other than ongoing enormous profits. (The problem being the odds of a ‘mistake’ turning our planet into an incinerated smoking husk of inhabitability.) That’s the problem, OUR problem, with psychopaths. They just truly don’t give a shit, and unfortunately here in the real world of humanity, they, like scum, always rise to the top to be with their kindred souls directing the rest of us. Hella trick ol’ God played on us, eh wot?

    15 U.S. biowarfare labs established in Ukraine alone. And essentially next door in Georgia the Richard Lugar lab (and how many more?) Just like our uncountable by normal means military bases dotting the planet’s landscape, known and likely numerous unknown U.S. biowarfare labs too spring up like mushrooms (rather than mushroom clouds) in SW and SE Asia and God knows where else.
    Remember the international treaties protecting humanity from such evil tools of man’s darkest urges?
    How very, very quaint that sounds, in these, our times.

  230. @Ben the Layabout

    As I have posted on several occasions, I know people who work(ed) in a Level 4 laboratory. Sloppy technique in handling specimens is always a problem in any laboratory, but much less so in a Level 4 laboratory given the hazmat suits, compulsory spray down on exit, and other safety measures. According to the people I know, while not impossible, a leak from a Level 4 lab is highly unlikely, unless there is a gross violation of safety standards á la Fort Detrick.

  231. Pakchooie says:
    @Ron Unz

    If this were an American court, there’s enough inferential evidence for an indictment and a discovery process (probable cause), but not enough for a criminal conviction (beyond a reasonable doubt), and likely not even for a civil conviction (preponderance of evidence).

    However, there has been no independent investigation given access to either the scientists at the lab at the time of the outbreak, or access to the lab records. Anything the outside world has been given access to by the CCP has been intentionally scrubbed – even exculpatory evidence is lacking.

    Even if they wanted to demonstrate that the virus likely did not originate from a Wuhan lab sample, they haven’t. Instead, they have used domestic propaganda to try to accuse foreign sources despite the massive restrictions on foreigners in China (that predate the Wuhan epidemic). They’ve used weapons of the state to prevent health officials _in their own country_ from spreading information about the outbreak. China is basically the least reliable source about the origin of COVID, but what is fairly certain is that it originated within close proximity of a laboratory for whom one of their primary missions is investigating SARS-like coronaviruses, and engaging in gain-of-function research.

    We’ll never know what the CCP does about the origins of COVID unless there’s somehow a massive reversal of Chinese face-saving culture. Which is impossible. So we’ll never know whether the lab was involved or not. “No evidence” for or against, really – but if there are no cookies in the cookie jar, and there’s a little kid washing their face and hands in the bathroom and they refuse to let you in to examine them for crumbs as they finish loading their clothes into the washing machine – I’m pretty sure we can all make some reasonable inferences.

    So give me a break.

  232. @sally

    ‘PIGOS’… I like that. Thanks for your thoughts, quite consistent with my own.

  233. @Quartermaster

    I have as yet to see any evidence that the virus was not released in some way by the Wuhan lab.

    And I haven’t seen any evidence that you don’t beat your wife.

    • LOL: Realist
  234. salience says:
    @Kuru

    “Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide…”
    Just wait’ll we see the eventual numbers caused long-term by the “vaccine”. It’s the mRNA injection that is the bioweapon. The virus was manufactured and patented and released, true, but merely as a means to get universal uptake of the seemingly beneficial but long-term depopulation weapon.

  235. @TKK

    You Americans should seriously consider smuggling Ivermectin 12 mg tablets to your country and take one daily at the first sign of covid symptoms. Do this for 4 days and you will wonder why so much fuss is being made about this pandemic.
    India has beaten Covid 19, you ever wonder why? Don’t google it, use some other search engine i.e (Duck duck go) and find the truth.
    Ivermectin has almost no side effects, it’s been in use for 40 years, won a Nobel prize in 2015 and however much the Big Pharma lies, it will fail in demonizing it.

    • Agree: johnnyuinta
    • Thanks: TKK
  236. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Ron,
    This is a thread worth pulling on:

    “With only one reported death worldwide, both Moderna and BioNtech — which, again, had never brought a product to market before — had the apparent foresight to invest incredible resources into COVID vaccines.

    What makes this timeline even more perplexing is the fact that there was never an approved coronavirus vaccine in human history before COVID-19, yet these biotech startups with no track record of success somehow conquered those hurdles in a matter of hours and days.”

    https://dossier.substack.com/p/operation-instant-cure-the-forgotten

  237. I-See says:
    @Anon

    You mean the same people who illegally developed this gain-of-function biological weapon also force us to buy the cure and employ the government to fund both operations using tax payer money.

    Now that’s an act of pure diabolical genius of the highest order.

    • Replies: @Zorton the Cruel
    , @Anon
  238. HbutnotG says:
    @Gentile Debtslave

    Juice?

    Think about this:

    WEAR A MASK OR ELSE! A 100% woman thing. No man would ever say that let alone advocate it.

    You got juice mixed up with something else.

    When was the last time most of you”men” (if there are any anymore) had a delicious weekday dinner cooked from scratch that you didn’t prepare yourself, for you to enjoy in neat pressed clothes?

    Suckers!

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @Fred777
  239. Thirdtwin says:
    @American Citizen

    Agree, and when it became apparent in the Spring that Trump was going to win regardless, they used the pandemic to ram through mail-in voting, supplemented by machine fraud, to make sure he lost. It would have probably gone unchallenged, but they had no idea how big the Trump landslide would be, and they had to blatantly, crudely steal it for Biden.

    All of the “FJB” chants are not just the result of disappointment in Biden’s feckless misrule; they are the chants of millions who know they were robbed and will be robbed again if the vote fraud ushered in by Covid is allowed again.

  240. @RedpilledAF

    no different from biden, clinton, obama, trudeau (father & son), truman, bojo, macroon, morrison…the list is long, techniques perfected centuries ago.

    • Agree: RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    , @Derer
  241. peterAUS says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    The only news flash I’m waiting for is when they tell us all our assets have been digitally seized to prevent a run on banks.

    Yep.

    But don’t worry, you will be reimbursed pennies to the dollar once a new global currency is introduced.

    If you behave. Or the money isn’t needed somewhere else.
    Or whatever TPTBs deem correct.

    And all that just for a starter.

  242. Turk 152 says:

    Regardless of who released it and why, China responded as they have been attacked and instituted marshal law to protect their citizens who have now resumed their normal life. In contrast, the US powers responded by evicting a President that they have long hated and unsuccessfully tried to remove from office, launching a full scale attack on the First Amendment, enriching private corporations and eliminating Doctor’s independent judgement in medical treatment while having the worst Covid mortality outcomes in the world.

    It is sad that this once great country is so broken.

  243. Schuetze says:
    @Mevashir

    Zero respect.

    I think this statement may be a little harsh. Ron Unz took the clot shot, at least a few months ago. Apparently the adverse reactions were not so severe that Ron was forced to seek immediate help or acknowledge the damage that was done. Therefore it is easier for him, and other victims, to ignore the damage than to admit that they have debilitated their own bodies and brains.

    [MORE]

    Micro-clots in the organs and the brain are not immediately apparent to the victims. However, any person still cognizant of reality cannot help but notice the general decline of capacity of the virtuous and faithful vaccine believers all around us. Of course there is a close correlation with the LGBQ and AGW fantasies that are being forced upon us like men can get pregnant, men have a uterus or women can have a penis. What we have to recognize is that this cognitive dissonance is apparent everywhere around us. How about 14 days to flatten the curve. Triple masking? Or even covid “vaccines” that don’t provide immunity and don’t prevent the host from spreading the “virus” orders of magnitude greater than the “unvaccinated”.

    One of the major symptoms of “covid” is the headaches. These headaches are a most likely a symptom of the spiked protein that is the main transport medium for the as yet never been isolated Covid “virus”. The mRNA “vaccine” turns cells across the body into spiked protein factories, and the mRNA “vaccines” even hide the spiked proteins from the bodies immune system by covering them with lipids.

    The point I am making is that “covid” alone leads to a decrease in mental capacity, and the mRNA vaccines increases this deterioration exponentially.

    One of the effects of Vaccine damage, and covid infection too, that I notice is all the victims talking about brain fog and being unable to form thoughts or sentences. I have to ask myself that if a person cannot think straight how can they possibly judge the amount of degradation going on in their brain?

    I could personally attest to many family members and friends who cannot create coherent comments or emails, let alone debate anything having to do with the plandemic. I believe that this is why so many have become complete narrative donkeys who believe everything coming out of NPR or Rachel Maddow’s pie hole. Clearly this was also one of the most important desired effects of the bio-weapon itself.

    So when Ron Unz provides dozens of articles about Covid being a bioweapon while insisting that he has zero interest in the vaccines that are so blatantly an integral component of the entire weapon system, I am forced to conclude something along the line of Occams Razor. The issue here with vaccine denial on UR, and within my family and friends, has little to do with some kind of conspiracy and everything to do with micro-clots in veins of people’s brains.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  244. John S says:

    I would say you are correct it was, and is, an attack by the US but not on China, instead it is an attack on the whole human race and it wasn’t carried out by rogue elements but by mainstream politicians and billionaires who feel disgust every time they look at ordinary people anywhere round the world. I can’t fault them for that as I feel disgust every time I look at them or even hear their voices. The world would be a better place without any of them or their progeny in it.

    God knew that corruption was carried in the bloodlines and this planet needs rid of those bloodlines. One can but hope that the variants being generated by their own weapon will backfire on them. Wasn’t it the big man himself who said their weapons would not prosper against us and instead would be turned back on them? Yes it was. If he can produce a weapon to kill the firstborn that don’t have lamb’s blood on their doorposts and lintels I’m pretty sure he can wipe out bloodlines that are genetically easy to spot and like the old “The Day the Earth Stood Still” movie from the 50’s a small example of his power that wouldn’t hurt any decent people is what is required now to end this globalist horror show that has let’s face it become all too boring for words.

  245. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    Why do you assume I believe the lobster story? I posted it to show how ridiculous the blame America for covid hoax is. The National Fisherman is a well respected Chinese Fishery magazine. Similar to American industry professional and occupational publications.

    Obviously the lobster would be flash frozen within within minutes after it was boiled. Or maybe flash frozen still alive.

    I have always believed that if, if covid is a real disease not just a flu variation, and if, if, if the December 2019 International Military Games had anything to do with it, the Chinese would have infected foreign participants to go home and spread the non disease all over the world. Not American spies sprinkling the viruses all over the Wuhan food markets.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  246. Anon[406] • Disclaimer says:
    @michael888

    I coughed a few times this morning. I must have covid hoax. Ima gonna dieeeeee!

  247. @Mevashir

    thank you for your compassion, many comments & observations. i ought to have written victoria bc canada. niceland on another covid thread mistook victoria bc for oz. i ought to have learned to be more explict, please, i am very sorry for the confusion. prior to covid we travelled @ least once a month to our home on samish island WA USA. we believe we contracted covid19 in WA state, & others have provided links to troops leaving from WA state to the wuhan games. it’s possible. it’s just as possible the vaping disorder in NE U\$A was in fact a leak from ft detrick & some traveller carried it to the west coast. because our difficulties were so early—& b/c pompeo confiscated all records from seattle WA & have never surfaced since…we may never know. generally my husband, gp, as well as myself are utterly disregarded as there is no paper trial. it’s one of the reasons i continue to share my story. simply to let those willingly to look that the virus was around in the U\$A & canada before the accepted march 2020 date.

  248. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    Everyone you mention, except for Dr. Paul, are assets of the Jewish Establishment that has always driven the genocidal communist assault against White Civilization.

    Virtually of the Alphabets are coopted and are now instrumentalities of the Global Jewish Nation.

  249. @I-See

    Problem Reaction Solution

    The Jews have been doing this for millenia. They know how to kill two birds with one stone.

  250. AndrewR says:
    @Mevashir

    More importantly, the question of who created it matters less than how should we respond to the tyrannical measures taken to “defeat” a virus that is basically a slightly more deadly form of the flu.

  251. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Mevashir

    U.S. science and engineering university departments have been training Asians for many years.  Read a brief account of what Mildred Dresselhaus (1930-2017) said in her defense.

  252. Rogue says:
    @Mevashir

    In fact, it’s likely he received significant payoffs from the interested parties for his compliance.

    Pure conjecture.

    But I will agree that Trump was nauseatingly pro-Israel and that the creepy looking Jared Kushner (who nobody voted for) had way too much influence over him.

    You are aware, presumably, that Billy Graham told Nixon in the early 70’s that the Jewish stranglehold of power in the USA needed to be broken. Nixon agreed, but stated that he could no ways ever make such views public. Now, the Jewish elites are way more powerful (in the USA) and are steadily turning the country into a giant cess-pit.

    Although there is no shortage of goyim to enthusiastically embrace the perverted agenda.

    The Jews are not holders of monopoly on these issues.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
    , @Mevashir
  253. @Mevashir

    Keep your enemies close to you. – Machiavelli

    • Replies: @W
  254. Who did the COVID-19/Deadly Injections New World Order PSYOP?

    Answer The International Illuminati and their operatives resident in almost every country in the World.

    [MORE]

    if you want to put it in terms of countries…..

    United Kingdom, City of London Financiers – Rothschilds and such Royal lnstitute of International Affairs, Tavistock Institute, Wellcome Trust, British Media, the top of the British Government. The Committee of 300.

    European Illuminated ones – Klaus Schawb, Bank of International Settlements, The Hauge, Club of Rome, Duesch Bank, Top of European Union, The Vatican, World Economic Forum/Davos, Bilderbergs. European Media ( Reuters is owned by the Rothschilds? )The Heads of Government in all countries that will not call out the International Illuminati – New World Order Globalists, as being the cause of the COVID/DEADLY Injections PSYOP of Death and Destruction. Drahgi, Laguard, Head of International Monetary Fund and such

    United States – Kissinger associates, National Institutes of Health, Top of our Intelligence Agencies, Fauci, Centers for Disease Control, Johns Hopkins, University of North Carolina and other top Universities, American Medical Association, DARPA, The dark components of the US Military

    China – I wish it was not so, but if you follow the money, really look at it, China’s finances and wealth is really controlled by the same people that control the US Central Bank, The Federal Reserve and if you look at the major Chinese Corporations and Banks …..The Global Illuminati Banks Control all countries. See for example

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_Commercial_Bank_of_China look at the stake holders ( to all our hearts worldwide ).

    Background …. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_banks

    also for example 3rd G20 Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors Meeting 2021 notice all the participants.

    https://sdg.iisd.org/events/3rd-g20-finance-ministers-and-central-bank-governors-meeting-2021/

    COVID/Injections are a Worldwide Global Illuminati, ill disposed, plan to make us all sick garbage.

    Note Fauci is a Jesuit and Collins ??? Bloodlines of the Illuminati, no matter how “Christian” your front alter appears to be. ??? Bundy is also a Bloodline?

  255. @Ron Unz

    You failed to adjust for the rise in population of the elderly due to the Baby Boom generation, plus the increase of those using authorized medical prescriptions that suppressed immune systems, plus those using illegal drugs such as smoking cannabis, opioids, fentanyl, etc.

    My own analysis comes to a very different conclusion that there were no real excess deaths and were statistical deaths. Wearing a mask dehydrates the human body. Same with lockdowns in air conditioned buildings, especially nursing homes.

    Greater percentage of vulnerable in population plus masks and lockdowns are a Rx for deaths.

  256. @Streets n San

    “… the spike protein will not attach directly to cells unless a delivery system accompanies the spike…”

    Wrong.

    This article from Nature indicates that “…. both receptor binding and membrane fusion activities are mediated by the virus spike glycoprotein”. Translated into English, that means that the spike protein itself attaches directly to cells, and causes the fusion of the connecting virus’.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2772-0

    At the very least, it might be helpful for you to cite review articles that support your position.

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Olivier1973
  257. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You refer to Ron Unz’s alleged

    … anti-all-things-Americanism and …. view on modern China as the be-all-to-end-all …

    You must be reading a different Ron Unz.  The reference just isn’t true about the one here, at all.

  258. @BaronAsh

    RE: Clearly what happened in Iran was most likely a targeted biowarfare attack.
    Quite possibly what happened in Wuhan was an American-delivered biowarfare attack.

    During the 1918 Spanish Flu the disease reportedly traveled from Europe to South Africa in two weeks despite that the only mode of travel at that time was a very slow boat. So I seriously question whether the outbreak in Iran among only its octogenarian elite Islamic Mullahs, was from the coronavirus.

    In Arthur Firstenberg’s book The Electric Rainbow he reports that during the 1918 Spanish Flu the US Public Health Service experimented with trying to get 100 healthy soldiers sick from the flu by first taking samples of spit from the diseased and having the healthy take it. Then they injected the fluids from the diseased into the healthy and it still failed to infect them. So, I seriously doubt there is any **novel** coronavirus that is contagious. Moreover, American drug companies portrayed Spain as the source of the disease because it was considered to be a superstitious, Catholic country that did not believe in modern medicine.

    Firstenberg’s book documents how epidemics occur with peak cycles of sunspots and that we currently are in a 11 year peak of such a cycle.

    Like bosus elections, who counts the dead will control the result.

    It is plausible that what is called novel coronavirus is nothing more than the Respiratory Syncytial (clotting) Virus which has been around since 1848. The antidote to RSV is Potassium Chloride, which re-hydrates the sick thus inhibiting the stimulation of the virus.

    • Replies: @some_loon
  259. I still think it is even bigger than a rogue US government release. What was event 201 at Johns Hopkins in the autumn of 2019? What was Fauci’s 2017 assertion that Trump would face a mass contagion during the latter’s term all about?

    They knew. What alternative is there? Certainly there must have been a USG involvement for all of this to happen but who else? From JFK to 9/11, it took actors from multiple organizations, both national and international, to get the dirty deed done. This disaster is no different. Bill Gates should be waterboarded as many times as necessary to kick off a revolution that would make the French Revolution look like a kindergarten trip to a bounce house.

  260. Kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, it’s probably already killed 15 million people worldwide, including perhaps a million Americans, so I do think it’s much more dangerous than the common cold. Most of the evidence is that the fatality rate is greater than 0.5%, though extremely skewed by age.

    I think I see the reasons for the UR editors’ inclination to present this aledged virus in the most extreme light possible, by adopting the MSM “pandemic” mythos and using the most extreme of the pandemic claims: The worse the “pandemic” the more sensational the “biowarfare blowback’ hypothysis, and the more kudos goes to our host and, of course, to his exeptional webzine.

    That’s not to say that Rons’ hyporhysis is wrong. I think over these past several atricles he’s made the biowarefare case very strongly. Although I’m personally unconvinced that it was a solely an American Deep State opperation. – The Deep State being almost certainly predominantly (((international))) in character.

    But if this whole pandemic scenario was concocted as a deliberate ploy to coherse the people of the geo-political West into submiting to a future in which their access to “normal” life will be wholy dependant on their complying with the dictats of a globalist kleptocracy, and to subjecting themselves to an experimental gene-therapy injection twice a year, every year for the rest of their misserable lives, then those unknown actors Ron accuses of initiating the aledged “biowarfare attack” really are’t going to be all that concerned when some stooge or another takes the fall for the crime. – The bigger picture, and the bigger prize for the conspiritors behind all this – is nested in the self-same “pandemic” narrative Ron Unz explicitly supports, whilst remaining uncharactaristicly indifferent to its many, many flaws and weeknesses, as already highlighted, ad infinitum, on this forum by collumnists and commenters alike.

    And though we remain grateful that our words continue to be published by this website, we remain accutely aware that we are suffered to remain here for more than those resaons previouy stated elsewhere on this site.

    Regards,
    Kali.

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  261. @Curmudgeon

    You should read the Nicholas Wade article. (I linked to a PS post that links to it.). The laboratory in Wuhan, China that was supposed to be a Level 4 safety lab was not operating as such for this work, but to Level 2 standards instead.

  262. anonymous[966] • Disclaimer says:

    I like this frantic, nontechnical zero-evidence debunking of China’s cold-chain evidence with “common-sense.” Lots of touchy disembodied internet voices is always interesting.

    The Iraqis too have evidence of intentional spread with fomites (contaminated gimme caps.) Cold-chain tampering is safer and more feasible than CIA spooks dressed as soldiers getting their ass kicked by trained athletes and then sneaking off and spritzing perfume bottles around. Because face it, we know CIA did it, they’re busted:

    https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

  263. @Chris Moore

    I agree with your comment, however where did the boxed paragraph come from?

    It just so happens that 15 million is also the approximate number of people dying from starvation. (that includes all of 2020 and up to the end of Sep. 2021)

    There is no evidence that 15 million have died from CoVid1984.

    Just like there is NO evidence that the “Gene Therapy Experimental Injections” are long term safe, and is definitely not short term safe; administered after being tested by a completely fraudulent test, the RT PCR, it being unable to determine whatever RNA it detected, where it originated; to the lack of the full, unadulterated isolation and purification of the SARS-CoV-2 virus! Even the authorities have not done a single autopsy on a victim of CoVid1984.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  264. @Dumbo

    With all the wild speculation of underhanded doings, you are actually quite correct about one item: the virus and the vaccines were developed, at least the early versions, by basically the same groups of researchers. And it wasn’t even secret!

    It’s true the mRNA “vaccines” were quickly developed. However, all of this can be explained by plausible reasons and little or none of it is secret. SARS and related viruses had been identified since about 2002 as causing actual epidemics (SARS, MERS) and it was realized that there was the potential for future similar pandemics. As such, there were various efforts to produce vaccines against these. They weren’t especially successful. But they did lay the groundwork which was available when the “real” SARS-CoV-2 pandemic came around in early 2020. All the above is not secret; this was academic and medical research.

    Nor is it secret that the viruses were being studied and engineered in various labs. To include two in Wuhan. There probably will never be a definitive proof, but as I like to say, it is quite likely that the current COVID-19 pandemic was started by the (accidental?) escape of a virus that was being studied precisely to prevent such a pandemic.

    None of the foregoing prohibits more evil actions: clandestine bio-warfare reserach, a false-flag attack by a foreign power, presumably the USA, a deliberate release of a virus. In fact, nearly all those things could be true, except of course the mutually exclusive options like accident/deliberate.

    But from the perspective of Occam’s Razor, they unnecessarily (?) complicate the explication of events. But it’s no secret that SARS and its cousins were the subject of much interest, playing with modifying the viruses, and trying different (and not very safe or successful) vaccines.

    Indeed, if there is any conspiracy that folks should worry about, it is the most unlikely (in my admittedly not well-informed opinion) chance that Moderna and other firms magically hit upon a successful mRNA gene therapy (not a true “vaccine”; changing its definition Soviet-style doesn’t change that fact) against a class of virus (coronavirus) against which no successful immunization had ever been achieved, all this in time to address the novel coronavirus that caused COVID-19. There are hundreds of millions, indeed ultimately billions, of human beings who’ve taken the innovative jabs, promised varying levels of immunity and assured the vaccines are “safe.” Only ten months into this experiment, the claims of efficacy are somewhat less than promised. The short-term safety of the vaccines is nothing to brag about, a death rate perhaps ten or a hundred times that of traditional vaccines (which are measured in the one-in-a-million range). Already there are reports of severe health issues, heart damage, autoimmune disorders and more, that rarely are mentioned in the media. The long term safety or side effects of these products is unknown and unknowable. In my opinion, anyone voluntarily taking one of these products makes a big gamble. At best, several months partial protection against a not very deadly virus, in trade for mystery side effects including incapacitation or death. At best, a half-assed remedy was rolled out way too fast and is already evidently far from a solution to the epidemic. At worst, the former is still true, and also there will be hundreds of thousands to millions of crippling illnesses or deaths in coming years directly attributed to the mRNA side effects.

    Whether the various players who were strategically positioned to profit enormously from the pandemic, and the responses to it, acted merely from innocent opportunity, or whether they helped matters along, I will leave for others to argue. The wider issues, of the universal mandates and other coercion past, present and future, in the name of fighting the virus, have done and will continue to do major damage to civil society.

  265. some_loon says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    It is plausible that what is called novel coronavirus is nothing more than the Respiratory Syncytial (clotting) Virus which has been around since 1848.

    Does not seem so plausible, given that severe cases of RSV are said to be uncommon. Fewer than 60k hospitalizations per annum in the USA, compared with now a recorded 700k deaths (yes, I know that number is in dispute here).

    Could you provide some reason for thinking they are one and the same?

    The antidote to RSV is Potassium Chloride, which re-hydrates the sick thus inhibiting the stimulation of the virus.

    The potassium-sodium balance is good for health generally, and hydration specifically. But I have found zero evidence for your claim that it is an ‘antidote’. Could you provide this evidence?

    The idea that salt substitute could cure the Coof is novel indeed! Most of the conspiracy vids on BitChute I’ve seen that mention it say that potassium chloride is used in executions in the US as a part of the lethal injection cocktails, as well as the vaccines for Covid. I have to believe it is in differing amounts, though.

    You see, too much potassium disrupts the electrical signals in the heart, which regulate its beating. This causes a potentially fatal condition.

    It will either kill or cure, I guess. Or neither.

  266. Metropole says:
    @gotmituns

    I/my wife and me will remain Pureblood/unvaxed until we die or are killed. The impure blooded/vaxed will die much harder than myself and my wife. Actually, when a person allows themselves to be vaccinated, they enter into the realm of a living death.

    I propose that vaccinated sheep be called muggles.

    Unfortunately, I’m a muggle. 🙁

  267. @Adrian E.

    You make interesting arguments for zoonotic origin but they don’t have much merit. Allow me to attack your case:

    For the animal origin hypothesis, the usual suspect is the horseshoe bat. These live in a cave about 1000 miles from Wuhan. The bats were not known to commute that distance.

    The outbreak (first known cases, not the rumors of earlier ones) were in late November, early December. Look up the Climate of that part of China — it is a temperate climate, which means it’s quite cold by December. Not only are the bats a thousand miles away, but they also are hibernating. Even if they weren’t, there are damned few insects in cold weather for them to eat.

    While it’s possible an infected peasant travelled to Wuhan, this argument too has many flaws. In the first place, it’s extremely unlikely he’d have had contact with even a local bat, for the above-cited reasons. If there’d been a local infection circulating, it would have likely infected far more than a single person.

    Meanwhile, in support of the Lab Hypothesis you claim to doubt, consider the following: there are not one, but TWO labs in Wuhan that were known to experiment with animal-borne viruses. The WIV in particular had amassed a large collection, perhaps the biggest in the world, of bat viruses. They had been experimented with them in the past, including gain-of-function and other methods, to make a more infectious virus. The above are very easy to verify. It’s hard to hide widely published academic research! Less easily verified are multiple claims of sloppy lab procedures, or that the Wuhan CDC (closer to the infamous wet market) would experiment at BSL-2 safety levels, clearly putting people at greater risk.

    As they say in real estate: location, location, location. None of the above is proof, but wouldn’t you agree that the odds say it came from a lab?

  268. @Mark Hunter

    For the dedicated White racist Sinophobe ANY comment that in any way is not viciously anti-Chinese is a sign of treachery, of treason to the Great Race War and Clash of Civilizations against the ‘Yellow Peril’. It has long reached a frankly pre-genocidal frenzy in the Western Anglo pathocracies.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  269. Based upon excess death totals, the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide……..

    If Ron Unz believes this, he needs an emergency infusion of cynicism.

    Apparently he didn’t get much at Harvard.

  270. Grant says:

    I applaud Ron for his work on this topic, the apparent lack of any authority investigating or even acknowledging it speaks volumes. Some notes though: 1. there are multipole agendas in play here, it isn’t just a myopic US-centric oust-Trump operation. 2. I’d say Corporate world knew of the virus before the Defence/spook types. 3. Virus’ mutate to less deadly forms – the first release was probably more lethal than the one we are dealing with now, thus the early deaths in Iran and Wuhan. 4. Or, after several bio attacks in the last decades, China sent back an amended virus with some ‘extra spin’. 5. The West’s response has made clear that Sovereignty is dead and Corporates, and money, dictate terms. 6. Looking back is academically interesting, but the current and future problem is soma-induced health side effects and related passports/restrictions that will end free assembly. 7. Whatever the source/truth, the retardation of China is central.

  271. @Ron Unz

    Even if Unz and Sundance are wrong, this theory of USA origin is the only possible weapon we have that could turn people against the CIA enough to disband them or even seriously curtail funding or scope. However, considering the proponents, the theory is almost certain to entrench public opinion in favor of the WIV escape.

    I would like to see a formal verbal debate between Unz and knowledgeable proponents of the other theories (lab leak, natural origin…). However, even if Unz were willing to do it, it is unfortunately the case that it is unlikely the required other parties would engage him. However, if they would, arranging such a debate would be a great contribution to the political vitality of the nation.

  272. @emersonreturn

    The techniques are so refined and extreme that a long-term anti-racist and friend of Jews (many of whom defended him strongly, but were ignored)like Corbyn can be lynched by utterly fraudulent accusations of ‘antisemitism’. One Zionazi freak even accused Corbyn of ‘antisemitism’ because he pronounced Epstein as ‘Epstine’, the common pronunciation in many circles.

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  273. SafeNow says:
    @Mevashir

    “Why is it necessary to always include a word count of your articles? Who cares? Does size matter when it comes to essays?”

    It is indeed an obsession, but I think it is a laudable one. We live in an age of Twitter brevity; the big idea; the gist. TV hosts routinely ask a guest, “What’s the one main thing that…?” Ron Unz’s word counts give us a way to gauge whether an article lies in gist territory, or, more comprehensive terrain. It is useful to know this. Apart from the utility, I confess that I enjoy seeing high word counts; I pat myself on the back, thinking, good, I have not succumbed to the new fashion of the brief Twitter gist.

    • Replies: @Mevashir
  274. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @bike-anarkist

    I agree with your comment, however where did the boxed paragraph come from?

    It’s the seventh paragraph of this Ron Unz article.

    I can believe there are 15 million excessive deaths worldwide, particularly in places like India that don’t have 1st world health care, and whose poorest populations are at subsistence levels and correspondingly dimished health.

    So the Zionists are responsible for the deaths of all those “goyim trash” and “deplorables” if it is shown that the kosher nostra gang (or a faction thereof) engineered this atrocity.

    15 million dead deplorable goyim is nothing to the Zionists. They’re not human beings anyway, or so goes their chosen-elect logic.

  275. While I agree the Covid outbreak was the result of US bio-weapon research, I don’t agree with assessment that it was rogue elements in the government that caused it. The vast array of government and international “health” organizations running in lock-step with world-wide fake new media indicates this is a planned event at the highest level. Too much has been released regarding research and comments made by the Davos crowd to place the blame anywhere else but them. Fauci, Gates, Rockefeller, Rothchild, et all and their handlers are to blame. This has been too big and too wide for a “rogue element” to carry out.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  276. @mulga mumblebrain

    As a frequent reader of ZeroHedge, and even a paying supporter, perhaps I’m somewhat biased. I would concede your two first points are correct. However neither of those characterizations, even if true, necessarily imply a reported story is untrue. Slanted, perhaps. Your two adjectives are highly problematic. For example, am I a “racist” if I mention (correctly) that Blacks commit at least 57%, but probably closer to 80%, of all murders in the USA? Yet you can find a recent article supporting exactly that claim right here at UR. Am I “Sinophobic” if I mention that China isn’t treating the Uighurs very nicely? Name-calling is not conducive to impartial fact-checking and critical thinking; in fact, in my experience it’s usually a sign that one’s opponent has no interest in reasoned debate.

    Relevant to the COVID-19 pandemic, I first read about it in Janaury 2020 in ZH. And by and large, everything they reported then was supported by later reports in other news media, even the USA mainstream media a whole year later, after pooh-poohing it (e.g. the March 2020 Lancet smear article and its ilk) had utterly failed.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  277. The Wuhan lab story is a diversion, covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, it is a myth, an illusion concocted by the globalists at the UN and the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations, the WHO, the CDC, the WEF, etc., etc., to through terror and fear get the people to take the covid-19 injections of mRNA which changes the DNA and destroys the immune system and acts as a genocide agent.

    Covid-19 is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and is being used to destroy nations and humanity and bring in a satanic one world government.

  278. Ko says:

    Catherine Austin Fitts, this particular interview reveals answers.

    https://www.brighteon.com/d54b7f7a-72cc-42c2-9f93-b1ad4812a2ab

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  279. Mevashir says:
    @SafeNow

    It is indeed an obsession, but I think it is a laudable one. We live in an age of Twitter brevity; the big idea; the gist. TV hosts routinely ask a guest, “What’s the one main thing that…?” Ron Unz’s word counts give us a way to gauge whether an article lies in gist territory, or, more comprehensive terrain.

    Interesting perspective. Thanks.

  280. Based upon excess death totals, the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide, and also greatly disrupted the lives of many billions more.

    And therein lies the crime. I predict that when the smoke clears it will be shown and proven that what killed the majority of Covid19 was the treatment protocol: intubation, and remdesivir, along with the restrictions placed on proven alternative treatment: ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, zinc, vitamin D, Whether we ever regain control of our DOJ, will determine if anyone is PROSECUTED. These sleazy culprits are not going down easy. They know their necks are on the line.
    It was in February or March 2020 when I first heard the theory, but don’t remember where I first read of it, the claim was: the US military team participating in the military Olympics, held in October-November 2019 in Wuhan, were responsible for the release of the plague there. Not sure but the original source may have been Yoichi Shimatsu. The story was bolstered by assessing the poor physical qualities of our soldiers, and their dismal, never before seen performance.
    With a 99.7% chance of survival if left untreated how do we get 15 million dead? Well, let’s murder them in hospital, and let’s stop counting flu deaths and call them covid. The majority of deaths were over 80 with comorbidities. So above the expected life expectancy. That is until the vaccine began doing its job. Today 70+% of covid hospital patients are vaccinated. Now remember unless you are 14 days post 2 shots you are called unvaxxed. So in reality the % is much higher. See Israel.
    The crimes are many and morbid. Where do we start? No, when do we start?

  281. harfang67 says:

    Sorry for not supporting your analyses on this matter in writing. Not really competent on thèse matters. But have circulated some of your articles-mostly the few vlast ones – to m’y friends and some contacts but not to my familly. Did it verbally but I just can’t disturb their lives. Young families. I should do more I guess.

    Really appreciate your contributions. Visit your site every night.

    Jean-Marie

  282. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Western Anglo pathocracies

    Were the ((Jewish)) infiltrated Chinese who set up Marxism in Communist China and murdered millions of Chinese also guilty of pathological racism?

    Yes! They were and are!

    The Anglo masses have also been played, used and abused by the chosen-elect “royalty” and kosher club.

    Check your racism, Mulga. You sound like you’ve been infected by ((Jewish)) thought and by Zionist racism.

  283. SafeNow says:
    @Maple Curtain

    “Some people would rather print out and read longer articles rather than staring at the screen. Word count is informative.”

    Ah, books, printing, and yellow highlighters. Studies comparing digital comprehension vs. hardcopy comprehension show that they do equally well for capturing the gist; but for a more detailed and nuanced comprehension, learning from hardcopy is superior. Romney was not artful when he said “bring me two binders of women.” But he was right about the best way to analyze the data.

  284. @mulga mumblebrain

    Says who?

    OK, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe your screen was blurry do to your having spooged on it looking at another tab with that Baywatch gal on it.. 2nd try:

    You should read the Nicholas Wade article. (I linked to a PS post that links to it.). The laboratory in Wuhan, China that was supposed to be a Level 4 safety lab was not operating as such for this work, but to Level 2 standards instead.

  285. @Ultrafart the Brave

    I’ve done virtually no reading about the “Great Reset scenarios. Still, it hasn’t escaped my attention that The Economist runs an article about digital money or the end of cash, the same week that the FED is openly discussing CBDC (central bank digital currency); these are only the latest, I suspect, of many such “trial balloons.” It really does make one wonder what’s going on? Are they signalling a brave new world to come after all?

    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  286. Mevashir says:
    @Rogue

    But I will agree that Trump was nauseatingly pro-Israel and that the creepy looking Jared Kushner (who nobody voted for) had way too much influence over him…. You are aware, presumably, that Billy Graham told Nixon in the early 70’s that the Jewish stranglehold of power in the USA needed to be broken. Nixon agreed, but stated that he could no ways ever make such views public. Now, the Jewish elites are way more powerful (in the USA) and are steadily turning the country into a giant cess-pit.

    Yes I’ve heard about this.

    [MORE]

    I lived in Israel for 20 years. It’s no democracy. It doesn’t even have a Constitution and its courts obey the dictates and demands of the military officials. They make up case law and precedents as they see fit.

    Israel has operated on emergency war footing since 1948. Every six months the emergency war act is renewed. Israel is a high adrenaline high stress fear-based society. That’s why Israelis travel abroad as soon as they get out of the IDF and generally head to Asia where they can soak up calming Buddhist ideas and drugs. But the paranoiac imprinting from birth goes deep and never leaves the basic Israeli personality.

    After 9/11 all the draconian curbs on American civil rights have been basically carbon copied off the Israeli template. Citizens hate it but the policing and other authorities love it because it greatly expands their powers to interfere with our lives and humiliate and control us.

    Israel is a horrible society and with each passing year America becomes a bad imitation of the evil Zionist system, as the American Dream morphs into the Zionist Nightmare.

    Judaism is riven with many factions but the one bottom line they all share is an antipathy to Jesus and to Christianity. Judaism is the only world religion that deems Jesus an evil-doer and Israel is the only country on earth whose official religious leadership (Jewish Jihadist rabbis) consider Jesus an evil imposter worthy of death. Islam Buddhism Hinduism Confucianism and even Native American religions respect Jesus far more than the Jews do.

    So in this sense Judaism is the anti-Christ religion par excellence and Israel is the anti-Christ homeland on satanically controlled planet earth.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante
  287. @emersonreturn

    Very sorry, dear Lady, to read of your troubles.

    Sometimes music can provide at least temporary diversion.
    Hoping these flute concertoes by Antonio Vivaldi will help you/your husband.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  288. onebornfree says: • Website

    “China Placed Massive Order For PCR Tests Months Before First Official COVID Case”

    https://www.newswars.com/china-placed-massive-order-for-pcr-tests-months-before-first-official-covid-case/

    Regards, onebornfreeu

  289. @Anonymous

    Thanks for your explanations.

    Does it mean that it is cheaper to produce mRNA vaccines than the protein itself? To store the vaccine at -70°C is not very confortable nor practical and cannot be achieved everywhere.

    As I understood, Sputnik V costs half the mRNA vaccines. Here the spike protein is attached to an adenovirus.

    Now what about the toxicity of the spike protein. Is it the cause of some symptoms: loss of taste, loss of smell, myocardite, pericardite, thrombosis, etc.?

    Once the spike proteins are attached to a cell, what is the fate of the cell?

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
    , @Stephane
  290. @Bernard Brandt

    Thanks!

    When the brain (thrombosis) or the heart (myocardite) is impacted as a consequence of the vaccines, it means that the spike protein is free to be delivered to these organs and to cause damage. Now what other organs could be damaged?

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  291. TKK says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    Right.

    I am going on what family said. But- that is a good point.

    All these women were morbidly obese. Perhaps Covid “shakes the tree”.

    Thank you for responding.

  292. Derer says:
    @emersonreturn

    You are talking nonsense.
    Ron Unz wrote: “American biowarfare attack conducted by rogue elements of our own national security establishment.”

    I would add “DNC rogue elements”…desperate attempt to damage Trump good economy and his election victory. The sinister plan counted with fake ballots mailing, but only under Covid 19 lock-down. The country is irreparably polarized and so are military bio-scientists.

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  293. @Kali

    There is something wrong with Ron Unz.

  294. “Now what other organs could be damaged?”

    Basically, any cell with an ACE-2 receptor. For more information on that, check out the Wikipedia article, which is helpful:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angiotensin-converting_enzyme_2#Coronavirus_entry_point

    As to which cells have ACE-2 receptors, the better question to ask is, “Which cells DON’T have ACE2 receptors?” One quote from a medical journal is perhaps helpful:

    “There is no question that the ACE2 receptor is also expressed at the level of epithelia of the respiratory system (tracheal and bronchial epithelial cells, alveolar epithelial cells, type 2 pneumocytes), cardiovascular system (endothelium of coronary arteries, myocites, epicardial adipocites, vascular endothelial, and smooth cells), gastrointestinal tract (esophagus keratinocytes, gastrointestinal epithelial cells, intestinal epithelial cells, duodenum, small intestine, rectum), urogenital system (kidney proximal tubules, bladder urothelial cells, luminal surface of tubular epithelial cells, testis, seminal vesicle), as well as in the liver and gallbladder and in the nervous system.”

    And here’s the source:

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.594495/full

    I hope this is helpful for you.

    • Thanks: Random Anonymous
  295. Derer says:
    @Mevashir

    Why would their plan fail in 2020? Explain.

  296. peterAUS says:
    @Ko

    You appear interested in following that path.

    [MORE]

    She is very good.

    Some other people on the same page (you’ve probably seen/heard):
    John Titus:

    and some other videos.

    This (obscure) Italian fellow:
    https://andreacecchi.substack.com/p/the-right-virus-at-the-right-time
    Most of his material (Google translate helps).

  297. @Paul Craig Roberts

    Thanks for all your work Paul. I echo Stan d Mute’s sentiments.

    I wish you would allow comments on your articles.

  298. @Ben the Layabout

    The Economist runs an article about digital money or the end of cash, the same week that the FED is openly discussing CBDC (central bank digital currency)… Are they signalling a brave new world to come after all?

    The idea of a “cashless” world, with all transactions centrally monitored and controlled by a faceless all-seeing authority, meshes neatly with the current “vaccine passport” mania being pushed by government psycopaths to track and control the movement of every living person. It also allows for the possibility of a dystopian world in which, as Klaus Schwab arrogantly spouted, “you will all own nothing and have no privacy, and you will be happy”.

    [MORE]

    One could argue that Satanic eugenicists like Klaus Schwab and creepy Bill and the WEF are just opportunistically “taking advantage” of convenient circumstances with the descent of the “pandemic” upon the world (as Klaus publicly stated, the “pandemic” offers “a narrow window of opportunity” to impose the WEF’s Great Reset on an unwitting world).

    Foreknowledge of the “pandemic” shown by the WEF’s 18 October 2019 Event 201 rehearsal (plus a thousand other incriminating factoids) screams otherwise, ie, it’s Klaus Schwab and his merry band of psycopaths planted in key positions all over the planet (about 3,000 individuals in total, or so I’ve read) who have been orchestrating every last detail of what we are now going through from the very beginning.

  299. @Ron Unz

    The problem with the numbers is they’re based on the figures they provide. We know the PCR Tests have an incredibly high false-positive rate at the cycle thresholds they’re being run at. Who knows exactly the correction that should be made, 50%, 75%, etc? At some point in time a revision in the numbers needs to be made, or at least given an asterisk in the history books.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Rod Axel
  300. @St-Germain

    Thanks…I would be interested in knowing what the official tally of flu and pneumonia deaths were in your state compared to other years.

    • Replies: @St-Germain
  301. @Mark Hunter

    You must be reading a different Ron Unz. The reference just isn’t true about the one here, at all.

    First of all, this world is not big enough for more than one Ron Unz, Mark. That may be a compliment, I dunno, but we are talking about the same guy. I stand by my opinion and have read nothing in many of his comments and a few articles to change my mind on that.

    I will address both parts in 2 more replies to you.

  302. Anon[193] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    I didn’t say covid was like pneumonia, I am making the point that things that attack the lungs are not new or novel. Covid is nothing new or novel. It certainly does not make sense to believe it was created in a lab.
    What sense does it make to believe they created a special laboratory weapon to fit a very strict worldwide program they were going to roll out ? Why wouldn’t they just exploit an existing flu season? It is all hysteria the media is driving anyway.

    • Replies: @Realist
  303. @Mark Hunter

    Anti-all-things-Americanism:

    I have lived in America my whole life, Mr. Hunter. Maybe even the people of this country have changed drastically, but there is still a large (probably shrinking) number of real Americans that are the best people in the world. As far as the US Feral Gov’t is concerned, I wouldn’t be one of those real Americans if my opinion of that outfit was anything BUT total disgust by this point.

    I don’t have any problem with Ron Unz’s criticism of the modern American warfare/welfare State. For 150 years after its founding (quite arguably on the number), this US Gov’t was one of the most limited and restrained government of any serious country that the world has ever seen, and maybe will ever see. That has all changed since the Roosevelt era, the Lyndon Johnson era, or even just the end of the Cold War 3 decades back, again arguable on which. (Some go back to Lincoln.). At this point, I would agree that the US Gov’t IS now a force of evil in the world. That does not at all mean that there aren’t plenty of regimes that have been worse in the past and some still worse in the present either.

    Here’s the important point: The government is NOT the people. I never thought of the average Russian as an evil bastard or hated him during the Communist 70 years there, because I understood that. That goes the same for the Chinese during the Mao era.

    I have never read anything out of Ron Unz complimenting the American people on any of their good traits. I have, however, read of his finding any reason he can to blame Americans (note the “ns”) for the world’s problems – this Kung Flu theory is not the only example by any means.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  304. @geokat62

    How would you assess the merits of an explanation for the Iran outbreak which posited a superspreader like the one (a Christian woman I think) in South Korea?

  305. @Mark Hunter

    View on China as the be-all-to-end-all:

    I can’t go through all my observations and opinions on China in a comment, Mark. You can read many dozens of post here on Peak Stupidity, if you desire to know. There’s good and there’s bad. My having been there 11 times (once for a month and a half, basically living there) with trustworthy Chinese contacts has helped me understand better what’s really going on there. Some of it is in plain sight, but the Sinophiles will not mention it.

    While discussing China on this site, I told Ron Unz in a comment sometime in ’19 that he really ought to go there for a while and observe – hopefully with a trustworthy Chinaman with him. Far be it, of course, for me to tell this busy man what to do with whatever spare time he has, but, well, January ’20 rolled in, and the rest is PanicFest history, as they say. I wish he had taken my advice.

    Like the writer Fred Reed, who went there on a 2 or 3 week tour, Ron is impressed with the gleaming infrastructure and engineering, which is indeed very impressive, I will readily admit. That is not all there is to observe, though. For one thing, I have seen the place go from the “Wild, wild East” (a good thing, IMO) to an Orwellian State in 15 years.

    Again, I don’t blame the Chinese people for this. As a matter of fact, I LIKE Chinese people in general. However, with what’d going down there now, I just would not want to live there, contrary to how I felt 15 and 10 years ago.

  306. @Ron Unz

    Hey, I agree with you implicitly about the biowarfare.

    Of course it is Made-in-the-Good-Old-USA biowarfare, and of course they used it to attack China and Iran.

    No question about it. You are right, sir! And kudos for getting the word out there, too.

    And god knows, I don’t know nothing about this excess death thing.

    But them there commentors sure did ate your lunch (and mine, too, more or less) on that excess death thing, now didn’t they?

    Thus, shore I was wrong about counting the deaths. But you was wrong too.

    There are so many possible holes in simply consulting excess death statistics and then drawing rather random and yet categorical conclusions therefrom, the mind she boggles.

    Hope this makes it through the meat-grinder 🙂 I speak in all sincerity.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  307. Metropole says:

    The truth behind Covid-19 is another topic in a long list of unsolved mysteries that will forever be debated but never solved, like the Kennedy assassination, Roswell, 9/11 etc.

    There are three possible explanations for Covid-19, 1) It’s a natural phenomena, 2) Manmade, mistaken release, and 3) Manmade, deliberate release.

    If the reality is either 2 or 3, then there is cause for concern. What damage has been done is already known, but the danger is of other, more lethal, viruses being released. Is there going to be full scale biowarfare that will kill millions, billions of people?

    If Covid-19 was an attack on China, and they know it, they would likely keep it secret. Then they would retaliate by spreading the same or something else. If they publicly accuse the enemy then their space for secret retaliation would be taken away. Was Covid-19 spread in the West deliberately as a retaliation?

    Are there other viruses ready to be released in the future? Are there viruses in existence that are race, ethnicity, religion specific? Are there more lethal viruses in existence? 10-20 years ago I read about manmade viruses that spread like flu and cause cancer.

    Let’s say, a second, more deadly virus is released. Who would be potential targets? I would say that the docile muggles who get vaccinated will be spared and the unvaccinated, pure-blood rebels will be taken out.

    Lots to think about.

  308. Ron Unz says:
    @Rooster111

    The problem with the numbers is they’re based on the figures they provide. We know the PCR Tests have an incredibly high false-positive rate at the cycle thresholds they’re being run at. Who knows exactly the correction that should be made, 50%, 75%, etc? At some point in time a revision in the numbers needs to be made, or at least given an asterisk in the history books.

    No, you’re entirely confused. The most reliable way of estimating Covid deaths is to totally ignore PCR results and similar things and merely look at the total number of “excess deaths.” I suppose I’ll need to republish my perennial comment regarding American deaths:

    But here’s a listing of TOTAL American deaths from all causes over the last few years, taken directly from the CDC website:

    2014: 2,626,418
    2015: 2,712,630
    2016: 2,744,248
    2017: 2,813,503
    2018: 2,839,205
    2019: 2,854,838
    2020: 3,384,426

    You’ll notice that the numbers are fairly steady until 2020 when they suddenly jumped by well over 500,000.

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that America had been struck by a dangerous disease epidemic that year.

    It’s obviously just a matter of personal opinion whether an extra half-million deaths in 2020 is a big number or a small number…

    This thread is not connecting with vaxxing or Covid treatments or debating whether Covid is a dangerous disease rather than “Just the Flu!” and such comments will probably just get trashed. There are lots of other threads on this website suitable for those issues.

  309. One thing that stands out in mind about Trump, is his appointments.

    During the run up to the nomination. Trump had six Council on Foreign Relations members in his campaign. And , of course, Government Sacks banksters. Which is exactly what you’d expect from any presidential campaign.

    However, Trump, during the debate, when asked who would be advising him by Chris Wallace. Trump didn’t hesitate. He said Richard Haass would be the man. Yes, he mentioned another (can’t remember) name who just happened to be a CFR member.

    As an aside. Savanna Guthrie’s husband, Kristen Welker’s husband, and Susan Zirinsky (CBS) husband are CFR members

    So, who’s really pulling the strings?

    Look at Biden’s appointments, his top picks are also CFR, members. This has been the case for decades.

    It’s a little hard for me to believe that Trump didn’t have a role to play in this PLANDEMIC.

    Come on Trump, really, injecting bleach? Okay, he was joking, right?

    This wasn’t the only stupid comment Trump made about the virus.

    Personally, I think this CFR aspect should be given much more attention. But it never seems to be mentioned in the articles or in the comments section.

    To what extent Trump knew about the vaccines origin I couldn’t say. But, in my mind, Trump isn’t as innocent as some would like to believe.

  310. utu says:

    Seems like Ron Unz was hit by the Foucault pendulum he put in motion (see Umberto Eco). All he wanted was to promote a scenario that would help China to maintain its innocence narrative. He found or rather constructed one and tried to disseminate it. But instead thousands of alternative nihilistic narratives were created and spread among millions of active internet users who now pester Ron Unz publications whenever he tries to talk about the who and why of the pandemic. Were the bots and trolls responsible for the nihilistic narratives activated by people Ron Unz wanted to help? Apparently professionals in Lubyanka and Peking knew better what was good for them and what would work rather than the well-wisher amateurs like Ron Unz or Godfree Roberts. Now the useful idiots exemplified by Paul Craig Roberts and real trolls like Mike Whitney will carry the torch and Ron Unz is left behind with his good intentions and delusion of being influential.

    • Agree: Johnny Rico
    • Troll: Raches
    • Replies: @Raches
  311. Ron Unz says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    As a frequent reader of ZeroHedge, and even a paying supporter, perhaps I’m somewhat biased…Relevant to the COVID-19 pandemic, I first read about it in Janaury 2020 in ZH. And by and large, everything they reported then was supported by later reports in other news media, even the USA mainstream media a whole year

    Ha, ha, ha… The reason ZeroHedge began promoting the Wuhan lab-leak theory so extremely early—before almost anyone in the West was paying attention to Covid—was because the website is under the heavy influence or outright control of the Deep State Neocons who probably launched the biowarfare attack in the first place. I’ve discussed this extremely suspicious timing issue quite extensively in my articles, but perhaps you’re too lazy to read them.

    Basically, Pompeo and his allies fabricated all the alleged “evidence” of a Wuhan lab-leak, and gave it to ZeroHedge a couple of month before they began promoting it directly. Aren’t you a little curious about how some conspiracy-website scooped all of the multi-billion-dollar American intelligence agencies controlled by Pompeo and the other Neocons?

    Indeed, the almost immediate ZeroHedge propaganda campaign is exactly one of the tell-tale signs that the whole Covid outbreak was a Deep State Neocon project.

  312. India has beaten Covid 19, you ever wonder why?

    What do you mean by beaten? Delta ran through their population and killed millions of people.

    Now they have immunity the hard way.

    It wasn’t through Ivermectin

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Ultrafart the Brave
  313. Rod Axel says:
    @Rooster111

    The CDC tells us there have been excess deaths but the word from life insurers
    and undertakers is there are no excess deaths.

    • Thanks: rufus clyde
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  314. SafeNow says:

    Ron Unz is not quantitative in telling us, roughly, his degree of belief in each of the three theories of origin. The same with the commenters. Ron laments that he has had few acknowledgements of belief in his bioweapon theory. In actuality, however it could be that Ron implies zero belief from a commenter’s use of skeptical-sounding adjectives and tone, when really, the skeptical commenter was convinced from baseline zero percent up to the level of, say, 30%. Thus, Ron’s essays would have raised that commenter’s level of belief from 0 to 30, a significant achievement. (My level of bioweapon belief is around 35%, up from a baseline of about 5%)

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  315. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You should read the Nicholas Wade article. (I linked to a PS post that links to it.). The laboratory in Wuhan, China that was supposed to be a Level 4 safety lab was not operating as such for this work, but to Level 2 standards instead.

    No, you’re entirely mistaken and completely out of your depth on this issue.

    I’ve been friendly with Nicholas Wade for about a decade, and have the highest regard for his work, certainly including his outstanding article about the origins of Covid.

    However, his suggestion of inadequate safety provisions at the Wuhan lab was based upon very scanty evidence, basically just a few sentences by some American officials. At the time he wrote his piece, that was all the information that existed.

    But as I’ve pointed out in my own articles, a month or two later a highly credible Australian virologist who had been working at the Wuhan lab during that entire period came forward and described the lab’s safety protocols as absolutely outstanding, so much so that she suggested that her own lab adopt them. She also was extremely skeptical that any lab-leak had occurred.

    Once I brought that new information to Wade’s attention, he fully acknowledged that it was quite unlikely that any lab-leak had occurred there.

    You really should bother reading my articles before you spout off on these matters based upon some misinformation you’ve acquired elsewhere:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/

    • Troll: Johnny Rico
  316. @mulga mumblebrain

    Says who??? DR SHI HERSELF. The “Bat Lady”, who was doing GOF experiments on chimeric viruses very similar to SARS-COV2 at The Wuhan Institute of Virology, and NOT under Level 4 protocol, under Level 2 protocol, the biosafety level of a dentist’s office, as she is ON RECORD admitting. I have told you this before, seems you never learn. You are dull, Dulga.

    • Troll: d dan
  317. KenH says:

    Some of the commenters on The Conservative Treehouse article even referenced the work of Ron Unz on this subject. I myself had mixed feelings about the claims that the U.S. military released it in China in the fall of 2020 but anything’s possible.

    But we must ask ourselves Cui Bono? Both the IC/4th branch of gov’t in the U.S. and China stood to gain since both hated Trump and wanted him out of the way. I believe there’s a very tiny circle of rogues on both sides who conspired to release COVID-19. The primary target was America so that Trump could be discredited and driven from office, but it had to appear like an accidental lab leak and spread to many nations so it wouldn’t look so obvious.

    In February 2020 Democrat talking heads were bemoaning the fact that if the economy remained strong they had no chance of beating Trump. COVID was used to kill the economy and turn the nation against Trump since Russiagate and Ukrainegate impeachment both failed.

    The infecting of Iranian government officials and their subsequent deaths was probably a secondary benefit and added bonus.

  318. JLK says:

    The “excess deaths” method should be pretty accurate as long as you keep in mind that there will be a certain amount of excess deaths from the effects of isolation, particularly in the elderly, from deferred access to health care because of lockdowns, and so forth.

  319. Ron Unz says:
    @obwandiyag

    But them there commentors sure did ate your lunch (and mine, too, more or less) on that excess death thing, now didn’t they?

    Thus, shore I was wrong about counting the deaths. But you was wrong too.

    There are so many possible holes in simply consulting excess death statistics and then drawing rather random and yet categorical conclusions therefrom, the mind she boggles.

    No, they’re entirely mistaken about the “excess death” issue, as I demonstrated by providing those CDC death statistics in a previous comment.

    During 2020, there was a gigantic, unprecedented spike in total American deaths from all causes. Most studies show that Covid has a fatality rate of 0.5% to 1.0%, and that such rates seem very consistent with the huge number of additional deaths.

    If deluded commenters want to claim the huge death-spike was purely coincidental, that’s there business, but this isn’t the thread to discuss such nonsense.

  320. @Notsofast

    But Baric’s name and record will NEVER be published by an presstitute insect anywhere in the Western MSM. As far as the average brainwashed Western drone is concerned, the WIV is the only bio-research lab on Earth.

  321. @Ron Unz

    Once I brought that new information to Wade’s attention, he fully acknowledged that it was quite unlikely that any lab-leak had occurred there.

    Really, some Australian virologist told you, and Mr. Wade corrected himself? He had a decent amount of writing describing this safety level hierarchy in his article and about the operation of the lab at level 2. Do you have a link to that correction? I read the article and that large thread of comments (900 and some-odd) back then, and I just now searched for any comments by Mr. Wade. Is there anything you can point us to on that?

    This American bioweapon* theory is somewhat of a boondoggle of yours, IMO. There is the much more important issue of how the induced panic is being used for the purposes of Totalitarianism. You are completely missing the story of the century (maybe tied with 9/11, as it’s been used the same way.)

    .

    * Oh, don’t get me wrong, as I wrote, ANY work on purposefully mutating viruses to make them deadly to humans IS bio-weapons research, no matter what they want to call it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  322. @Ron Unz

    That is a fair point, and I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if it was indeed the case with Covid. In a similar vein, I’m sure you’ve heard of the strong possibility that Lyme Disease was an escaped bio-weapon?

    As an aside, several years ago I was sitting in a vet’s office and a poster on Lyme caught my eye. It had the spread of the disease charted over the course of several decades, which strangely enough appeared to radiate continually outward from a single point in the North-East United States.

    It wasn’t until a couple years later I heard of the theory that it was an escaped nasty from Plum Island research facility, but the spread pattern seemed very remarkable at the time.

    Thanks, for the link to the bio-warfare article. That one escaped my attention when it originally came out.

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  323. Avianthro says:

    Unfortunately, giving some reasons to say a theory is plausible is far from sufficient to prove it. Gathering the info needed for proof will be an impossible task. As with the JFK-RFK assassinations and 911, the origins of covid have virtually zero probability of being proven…we can now continue to debate as some kind of exercise in intelligence/investigative thinking until the sun starts rising in the west, but it’ll remain just that: a debate.

    Better now that we focus on the general and ever-increasing threat that we face from all types of genetic engineering research, and especially anything militarily-related. Even if covid were a totally natural virus, this threat is still very real and powerful. If we weren’t blinded by our desire to play God and by potentially vast fortunes to be made, we would see clearly that the risks of this technology far outweigh its potential benefits and also we would see that there are alternative, low-to-no-risk paths for solving the problems that genetic engineering says it could solve, or that there are some problems best left unsolved. The better question to which we should apply our intellectual power is: How can the genie of genetic engineering be put back into its lamp and kept there? Or, can it?

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  324. @R.G. Camara

    ‘…the Chinese screwed up..’. Of course-they’re just dumb ‘gooks’ aren’t they, racist.

    • LOL: R.G. Camara
  325. @Wizard of Oz

    The usual imbecile gibberish, but at least it is consistently racist, Sinophobic and hypocritical.

    • Troll: R.G. Camara
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @R.G. Camara
  326. @Arthur MacBride

    thank you so much for your link & kindness. beautiful. we listen to music every evening…our love of late has been denis matsuev. always beethoven & a young conductor/composer jurowski. thank you for this very beautiful share.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  327. @Derer

    i agree america is irreparaly damaged, & i am profoundly sorry. my step children, many friends & relatives are deeply entrenched & will not listen to the other side. indeed if i suggest listening to either side the conversation ends. it reminds me very much of a visit through yugoslavia before her terrible demise/catastropy. we—america/canada/eu/oz/kiwis—suffer from having been subjected to centuries of oligarcy brainwashing. rather than hating our brother/sister/neighbour we need to embrace & listen to each other & set our sights on the oligarchs. they are not working for our betterment bt theirs. rothschild: red or blue, arms serving the same head.

    • Agree: Derer
  328. @Ron Unz

    “We find that there is no extraordinary surge in yearly or seasonal mortality in Canada, which can be ascribed to a COVID-19 pandemic; and that several prominent features in the ACM/w in the COVID-19 period exhibit anomalous province-to-province heterogeneity that is irreconcilable with the known behaviour of epidemics of viral respiratory diseases (VRDs). We conclude that a pandemic did not occur.
    • Among the most elderly (85+ years), many died from the immediate response to the pandemic that was announced by the WHO on 11 March 2020.
    • Predominantly young males (0-44 years, and also 45-64 years) probably indirectly died from the sustained pandemic response, in the summer months of 2020, and into the fall and winter, starting in May 2020, especially in Alberta, significantly in Ontario and British Columbia, whereas not in Quebec.”
    https://denisrancourt.ca/entries.php?id=104

    No pandemic has occurred. In fact, two weeks ago in Alberta the local she-Fauci announced that they are calling all respiratory ailments “Covid cases”. They’re desperate here because it’s the only place in Canada with hard-core resistance to the socio-economic measures which masqueraded as managing the effects of a disease.

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante, John Wear
  329. @Barbarossa

    Lyme disease … was first diagnosed in 1975, a suspiciously recent date for the sudden appearance of an entirely natural disease, and based upon Lab 257, a heavily-researched 2005 book by Michael Carroll, Baker argues it was probably an inadvertent consequence of our biowarfare experiments.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  330. d dan says:

    If resources permit, I suggest Ron Unz considers translating his works into Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Arabic, Korean and Vietnamese (others?). May be some European languages too, but this is probably less important because more Europeans already read English.

    Instead of keep pounding and educating the same group of readers who refuse or unable to reason and think critically, due to stubbornness, stupidity, ideology or emotion, why not enlarge the audience instead? There are over 7 billions who have been affected, after all.

    Who know what will happen.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  331. @Ron Unz

    The Case Fatality rate in Alberta, Canada is 0.9. However, 85% of those “deaths” are over the age of 65, and over 60% of the deaths occurred among the extremely frail elderly already consigned to long-term care. The long-term care population is under 23 000 in an overall population of 4.4 million. 75% of deaths occurred among those with three or more pre-existing conditions.
    Weekly mortality in Alberta showed a significant increase in males under the age of 45, that persisted for at least one year after the socio-economic measures were implemented, resulting in hundreds of excess deaths in that cohort, in a period in which less than 50 deaths in the cohort were attributed to Covid.
    It was clearly established in the UK in 2020 that excess deaths were being observed and these deaths were not among people dying of Covid.
    You seem to be deluded if you believe that the unprecedented socio-economic disruptions did not induce an increase in mortality. Or you’re just stupid.

  332. @peterike

    In Alberta, Canada it was announced in April, 2020 that they would be able to conjure 1000 ICU beds in a matter of weeks, necessary because we would have 800 000 infections in the first three months of Covidmania. After four months, there had been under 10 000 cases. 18 months later they announced that the health care system was about to collapse with 260 people in ICU. with Covid, with another 700-odd Covid non-ICU patients, across 8000 acute care hospital beds in the province. They built a tent hospital in 2020 that never once housed a Covid patient, and was operating at half capacity when it was used an annex for the Emerge.
    It’s a massive hoax.

  333. Did the “Fourth Branch” of the US government create, then release, Covid in China? They had the means. And they’ve had the practice. (more later)

    I made a duckduckgo search using the terms “covid” and “cui bono”. Not many people in the past year have been speculating about this, and their output was mostly silly blather with a pre-ordained agenda. Gordon Duff’s article at the Neo site was a refreshing exception, but he didn’t really come to any conclusion that I noticed.

    https://journal-neo.org/2021/03/22/the-nasty-truth-about-covid-19-2/

    Now a bit of background about something called Ethnic Weapons. From 1970:

    https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Special-Topics/Future-Warfare-Writing-Program/Non-Fiction/Ethnic-Weapons/

    There has been a lot of water over the dam in the past 50 years, and I’m going to speculate these weapons have been continuously sought after during that period. Who has been hit the hardest by Covid? The least?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

    Grouped into deaths/million of population, that chart seems to show the Mongoloid race has done very much better than the Caucasians.

    Now a bit of history – China was under constant biological attack by Japan during WW2. After that war ended, the US of A made a big point of embracing the Japanese criminals and their technology. None of them were prosecuted – despite it being known that US and other Allied POWs died horribly at their hands.

    In the Korean war biological attacks against China started up again. Fast forward to recent decades, and China has been experiencing a continuous series of disease outbreaks among their livestock. Sloppy Chinese! But those diseases might well have had some little helpers.

    It’s my conjecture that Covid might represent a “shot across the bow” to Washington. (and UK?) China has (fairly recently) started building a huge navy. Several stealth airplanes. A big space program which the Corporate Media has largely ignored. A person must assume that they’ve also been working on more secret projects – like biowar techniques for both offense and defense.

    The US Fourth Branch obviously could have created and delivered Covid to China. They have the means, and they’re stupid enough to have designed an attack “agent” quite ineffective against the Chinese/Japanese/etc.

    On the flip side, this could have been a not-too-subtle “Enough-Is-Enough” declaration by China. “Two can play this game.” A new disease gets into circulation which is attacks all humans, but is far less harmful to the Mongolian Ethnic Group. There has been lots of propaganda and mouthing off by everyone, but China wouldn’t mind at all if the Fourth Branch quickly catches on.

    *** The weakest point in this are the numbers – can the national statistics be trusted? If China has successfully suppressed worse death totals than the West, the argument is dead in the water. ***

    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  334. joe862 says:

    If anything China wants a disease to rid them of the burden of their old people. They’re a demographic train wreck in progress. If anything they released it themselves to thin out their elderly population. Why on earth would the US do them this favor? I don’t find this likely at all.

    • Replies: @Biff
  335. If the so-called “health care system” will inject tens of millions of people with these sinister so-called vaccines, killing and maiming young and healthy people, beautiful teenage girls, athletes, young fathers and mothers, then they will also engage in mass pre-emptive medical murder of “covid cases.”

    Imagine if Serge Lang were still alive, I’d wonder what he’d say about this disease, the treatments, and Ron Unz’s speculation.

    I would not deny the existence of the intentionally released virus and the ensuing pandemic, but it is apparent this event was planned in advance with these hellish vaccines being forced upon the population in perpetuity being one of the objectives.

  336. Jiminy says:
    @Ron Unz

    But as statistics come trickling in, I think we are now getting a clearer picture of just where those increased deaths lie. Shootings, car crashes, delayed surgical procedures, suicides and covid19 deaths. How many extra people died from just sitting in front of the tv while eating snacks. Just a couple of days ago I saw a figure of 10 000 deaths in England from delayed operations. They also undertook 1.6 million fewer operations. And then we see countries like India with seemingly rampant cases, but really what would you expect when you have to walk out onto the street to buy a cylinder of oxygen, being refilled by the roadside. Things like that testify to the inadequacies of a health system.

  337. Ron Unz says:
    @d dan

    If resources permit, I suggest Ron Unz considers translating his works into Chinese, Japanese, Russian, Arabic, Korean and Vietnamese (others?). May be some European languages too, but this is probably less important because more Europeans already read English.

    Actually, a few months ago I added an automatic translation module to this website, so that all the articles (including their comment-threads) can be instantly translated into more than a dozen languages, including most of the ones you mentioned. People who’ve checked several of the languages say that the quality of the translation is at pretty reasonable.

    Just go to the Translation button in the upper right-hand corner of the website and select the language you want. The entire website changes to that language. If you choose Chinese, let me know how well the text reads. You can always switch the entire website back to English if you want.

    In addition, you can select the language by appending a string to the link. For example, here are the links to this article in Chinese, Japanese, Russian, and Arabic:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/?lang=zh-CN

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/?lang=ja

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/?lang=ru

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/?lang=ar

    • Thanks: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Turk 152
    , @d dan
  338. @Raches

    Rachel writes:

    After having examined this [the Covd psyop] from a thousand angles, I have not found any way in which the U.S. government, the Israelis, or both could get from this a net gain.

    Seeing as Rachel is saying this, we can now be 100% certain that the U.S government and the Israelis have made one hell of a net gain from the Covid fraud.

    Rachel, as always, an accurate contrarian indicator.

    Whenever Rachel (aka Raches, aka Nurse Ratched) opens her mouth, you can be sure the truth is the exact opposite.

    • Agree: acementhead
  339. Biff says:
    @joe862

    If anything China wants a disease to rid them of the burden of their old people. They’re a demographic train wreck in progress. If anything they released it themselves to thin out their elderly population. Why on earth would the US do them this favor?

    China has no official religion, but like my wife’s family many of them(probably the largest segment of their population) do partake in ancestor worship. The Chinese are not going to off their elders and turn around and worship them too.

    • Replies: @joe862
  340. Chris Moore says: • Website

    Here’s my stab at what went down:

    Half-baked Zionist Trump bullied, baited and berated his way into the White House and into the ZOG inner circle by pandering to America Firsters and by running against Endless Wars (which serve international Zionism) and winning. ZOG inserted Bolton and Pompeo as Trump minders. Bolton, Pompeo and the Neocons (remember, the Neocons didn’t like rogue Trump upsetting the already tilting apple cart, and the Deep State hated him) arranged or accelerated the Covid bioweapon and “vaccine” conspiracy. What’s Trump going to do? Out the Zionists in his own administration? Never.

    From the hard-core Zionists perspective, an American break with China is useful for polarization and new Cold War MIC profits. From the Deep State perspective, they didn’t want it, thought they could still infiltrate and control China, but the Zionists had created facts on the ground, so they had to deal with it.

    The Deep State and the back-stabbing Neocons took the (hard-core Zionist) conspiracy, flipped it against Trump, and inserted Biden.

    These are allied mob bosses, but rivals, whose grand design has been destroyed by the US failure to spark and win WW3/War on Terror against “Islamofascism.” The Covid conspiracy was probably in the works anyway, but Bolton, Pompeo, Mossad saw fit to unleash it early and additionally use it against Iran.

    As for the CCP, they’ve been dancing with the ZOG devil since Mao. But unlike Trump, their deep state outed their ((Jewish)) partners in crime. https://www.unz.com/estriker/chinese-official-we-subvert-america-through-wall-street-jews/

    And like the US Deep State, they dealt with Covid by using it to solidify control.

    This is all just another major ZOG failure. The Internet has fully, completely and terminally disrupted their psychopathic, totalitarian plot to dominate the world.

  341. joe862 says:
    @Biff

    Not the average one, there needs to be a plausible explanation for how the old folks croaked.

  342. @John Johnson

    Now they have immunity the hard way.

    It wasn’t through Ivermectin

    Charts don’t lie…

    https://www.sott.net/article/457309-The-unmistakable-ivermectin-miracle-in-the-Indian-state-of-Uttar-Pradesh

    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/09/uttar-pradesh-india-wipes-out-covid-with-ivermectin/

    … but apparently Johnson & Johnson does.

    (… and IMO certain forum hosts who agree with Johnson & Johnson should know better)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  343. There can be no doubt that the US “intelligence” agencies are behind the virus and the vaccine.

    What is puzzling, is that since 1945, these agencies do nothing that doesn’t simultaneously benefit Israel and the Jewish diaspora (USS Liberty, 9/11 etc.). In this case, the Jews seem to be voraciously taking the vaccine, despite it appearing to be quite dangerous.

    I guess it will take another few decades to sort through the horror they are active in now. They hate the average citizen with a white hot hatred that we will never be able to comprehend.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  344. Milton says:

    700,00 Americans have most certainly not died of “Covid-19.”. That’s just one of many lies with no correlation to the reality on the ground.

    • Agree: acementhead
  345. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Really, some Australian virologist told you, and Mr. Wade corrected himself? He had a decent amount of writing describing this safety level hierarchy in his article and about the operation of the lab at level 2.

    Look, you’re obviously too lazy to read any of my articles or even the MSM. There was a big Bloomberg interview with the Australian virologist, and it was republished in newspapers around the world. Just look at my article and you’ll find the link.

    Wade very reasonably focused on the possible safety problems with the Wuhan lab, but the only underlying evidence available at the time was extremely thin, basically just a couple of sentences in some American memo published years earlier. That’s totally worthless compared to the explicit first-hand statements of a credible eyewitness who spent months actually working at the Wuhan lab.

    The fact that you’d never heard about the explicit statements of the Australian virologist proves: (1) you’ve never read any of my Covid articles; (2) you’ve never followed the issue in the MSM; and (3) the sources of your own information are just worthless propagandists, who deliberately keep you ignorant of all the important new developments in the story.

    This just reinforces my impression that you’re just a loud and lazy idiot. You’ve left over 18,000 comments on this website, but I’m not sure I can think of one intelligent thing you’ve ever said. You’re just one of the many ignorant, random ranters who hangs around here because I’m reluctant to ban people.

    The crucial Bloomberg interview came out something like eight weeks after Wade’s article was published, so I can’t imagine his comment-thread was still active at that point.

    And it’s ridiculous to expect Wade to issue a “correction.” His article was perfectly accurate when it ran, and everyone knows that new information may sometimes come out that changes things.

    Wade has long been one of America’s premier science journalists, and it’s not his fault that someone like you pays no attention to ongoing developments in the subject of his important article.

  346. JJJ says:
    @Ron Unz

    > In New York, military researchers in 1966 spread Bacillus subtilis variant Niger, also believed to be harmless, in the subway system by dropping lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto tracks in stations in midtown Manhattan. The bacteria were carried for miles throughout the subway system. Army officials concluded in a January 1968 report that: “Similar covert attacks with a pathogenic disease-causing agent during peak traffic periods could be expected to expose large numbers of people to infection and subsequent illness or death.”

  347. @Ron Unz

    The reason ZeroHedge began promoting the Wuhan lab-leak theory so extremely early … was because the website is under the heavy influence or outright control of the Deep State Neocons ….

    I have to agree with Mr. Unz here.

    While ZeroHedge can provide some useful information and perspectives on current affairs, the site has an almost pathologic political bias against China where Corona Chan is concerned.

    IMO, ZeroHedge is not a neutral source of information on that particular subject.

    • Agree: emersonreturn
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  348. “were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself”

    That is a false statement right there.

    First time I heard about the beer virus was the week before/during/after (I’m not sure which week it was but I know it was still November) thanksgiving on coast2coast with George Noory so it was well known to be happening by many folks INCLUDING the Chinese government in late November.

    I started re-watching “12 monkeys” and “contagion” because of that segment I had heard.

  349. @A Half Naked Fakir

    As one would expect he had a perfectly logical, if not necessarily plausible, explanation. The alleged attack was meant to damage China’s economy by a low level but mildly disabling infection being spread throughout China by the exit from Wuhan at the time of the Lunar New Year. Obviously the limited effect outside China of SARS and other epidemic infections was counted on by the alleged plotters.

  350. @Ron Unz

    This just reinforces my impression that you’re just a loud and lazy idiot. You’ve left over 18,000 comments on this website, but I’m not sure I can think of one intelligent thing you’ve ever said. You’re just one of the many ignorant, random ranters who hangs around here because I’m reluctant to ban people.

    Ouch.

    I’ll endeavor to never be the recipient of that.

    • Agree: Biff
  351. Patricus says:
    @Ron Unz

    So some Americans created the virus then introduced it to Wuhan. They apparently never anticipated the disease would spread beyond China’s borders, or maybe they just didn’t care? Somehow some secret agents were able to breathe upon Iranian politicians, or transmit Covid somehow? Did they have Covid antidotes or did they sacrifice their own lives? Pretty diabolical plot!

  352. @Ron Unz

    I’ve just watched and listened to Danielle Anderson’s brief and uncrossexamined Boomberg interview dated 27 June. It seems a bit thin to bear the weight you want it to carry.

    Moreover, on 30 June Bloomberg published an article which included this:

    “While Anderson rules out any chance that the pathogen was man-made and released intentionally, she does allow that it’s within the realm of possibility that it could have escaped from the lab, as dangerous viruses have made their way out of other labs in the past.”

    Does this modify your enthusiasm for her evidence?

    • Replies: @Jiminy
    , @Ron Unz
  353. @Achmed E. Newman

    ‘I have never read anything out of Ron Unz complimenting the American people on any of their good traits. I have, however, read of his finding any reason he can to blame Americans (note the “ns”) for the world’s problems – this Kung Flu theory is not the only example by any means.’

    Speaking as someone who crosses swords with him fairly regularly, I think this may be somewhat unfair to Ron.

    Unz seems to be attracted to contrarian, iconoclastic, unpopular views: hence this site.

    He’ll praise Americans — just as soon as everyone around him agrees they’re awful.

  354. @Ron Unz

    ‘Given that very low fatality rate Covid obviously wasn’t designed as an anti-personnel bioweapon, but very likely an anti-economy bioweapon, as was suggested in a long article we published last year by a 40-year veteran of American biodefense…’

    My belief is that the Corona Virus was indeed a germ warfare project — but one that was under development rather than complete.

    It seems to have many attributes that would be desirable in such a weapon: it resists vaccines, can spread before manifesting symptoms, is extremely contagious, appears to be unaffected by prophylactics such as masks (!), keeps changing to new variants.

    On the other hand, its lethality is — statistically — laughable. You might as well try to win a war with air rifles. Sure, you’ll kill a few, but…

    But isn’t lethality the last attribute you’d want to impart to your weapon? After all, you don’t want everyone having to go around in hazmat suits for the whole duration of the project lest someone drops a beaker. You want to keep the virus innocuous — and get everything else right. Only then do you make it a killer.

    So obviously this is speculation — but I think we’re looking at something here that got out by accident, before it was finished.

  355. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Rabbitnexus

    RabbitNexus — Thankyou for that link, which I will post again here, along with another one at the end of this comment:

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/01/attorney-thomas-renz-releases-medicare-and-pfizer-whistleblower-data-vaccine-related-injuries-and-deaths-far-more-widespread-than-reported/

    “Attorney Thomas Renz Releases Medicare and Pfizer Whistleblower Data — Vaccine Related Injuries Far More Widespread Than Reported.”

    Countering the “fact-checkers” who disputed her earlier estimate of the vax killing “at least 45K” the Whistleblower used hard data from the “CMS Medicare Tracking System” to show that the number of American citizens who died within 14 days of receiving the COVID-19 vaccine is 48,465. That is MEDICARE patients only, dying within the first 14 days after vaccination, so the total TOTAL number of deaths in the MONTHS after COVID-19 vaccination in the United States, (and of course in the world) is higher. The same Medicare data on Remdesivir shows that 25.9% of Medicare patients prescribed this drug died. (2058/7960)

    We the “vaccine hesitant” (I prefer the term “part of the control group”) are being gaslighted all the day long, from the President announcing he is “losing patience with them!” to friends and family who have been advised to “make life difficult for the unvaxxed” (i.e. “shame them”) to employers holding termination over the heads of those who resist the vax mandates.

    The link was a “shot in the arm” in the best sense of “shot.” I do not rejoice at news of those who have lost their lives to the vaccine, but I do take it as a strong motivation to stay the “control group” course.

    Here is a link with protocols for treating COVID-19. Early treatment is CRITICAL.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  356. @Rod Axel

    ‘The CDC tells us there have been excess deaths but the word from life insurers
    and undertakers is there are no excess deaths.’

    Perhaps it’s a matter of most of those dying being about to die anyway.

    If, actuarily, somebody was likely to check out somehow within the next year, it’s not going to affect the numbers much if the Covid helped them on their way or didn’t.

    From your insurer’s point of view, if you’re an eighty-something with a history of multiple strokes who has diabetes, the possibility that you’ll catch the Corona Virus isn’t really going to affect your life expectancy much. It’s nil either way.

    Conversely, if you’re a healthy forty five year old who doesn’t smoke or drink to excess, odds are you’ll be paying premiums for a good thirty years, Covid or no Covid. It’s mainly an end time thing — a different way of finally turning out the lights when the show is about over in any case. The nominal death toll magnifies its statistical significance.

  357. Do you honestly lend credence to that claim of 15 million “COVID deaths?” The source you cite–The Economist–is far from being an objective, honest source. It ought to be considered the equivalent to the small powerful group running “the West” today, of Pravda and Izvestiya to the Soviet leadership of yore.

    There is just no reliable evidence for the Economist’s inflated figure.

    I would not argue that COVID is not a bioweapon. If it is, its lethality has quickly worn out and it has not yielded the results expected of it, putting the elites in the Anglospehre especially, under time pressure.

  358. @St-Germain

    You wrote:

    Where I live in Europe, there is always a very reliable official tally of annual deaths from all causes.

    For the dreadful corona year 2020, this tally of legally valid death certificates required for all dead bodies showed fewer people croaked than the average death count for all the nine previous years.

    How does that happen in a raging media pandemic?

    Answer: It doesn’t happen. The exaggerated mortality statistics are clearly bogus and those peddling them have a VESTED INTEREST in scaremongering the ignorant muzzled-up social distancing hypochondriacs.

    I’m in Australia and the All Cause Mortality tally was LESS in 2020 than it had been in previous ‘non-pandemic’ years.

    Meanwhile, 2021 is shaping up to be equivalent to 2020, or perhaps a tad lower.

    Bottom Line: THERE IS NO COVID PANDEMIC in the world today.

    There’s only a pandemic of STUPIDITY and medical malpractice, coupled with a dearth of critical thinking.

    • Thanks: John Wear
  359. Bumpkin says:
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you didn’t actually read the 9 replies to your last comment, but like obwandiyag, I went through and read them all and agree that they make you look foolish. Nobody is arguing that “the huge death-spike was purely coincidental,” rather several replies note that the lockdowns and other idiot government responses, like Cuomo putting the Covid-infected in nursing homes, killed more than Covid would have. There have been some looking into the statistical data to back this up, but of course you won’t look at the actual numbers.

    Since you are fond of psychoanalyzing the Covid skeptics, let me return the favor: you seem intent on overhyping the Covid fatality rate because you believe it is a bioweapon, and you want it to be very dangerous because you can then then wield Covid deaths as a political cudgel against the Neocons who you believe likely released it.

    But if we are right that most of those excess deaths are not Covid, I don’t think that lessens your case in any way. The fact is someone still released Covid and all the excess deaths happened, and it is perfectly in keeping that a bunch of stupid elites made the Covid response much worse with a bunch of stupid deep state operatives releasing the bioweapon to attack China in the first place.

    You claim to always engage with the data, but you have not addressed a single claim against your excess deaths stat. This shoddy arguing calls into question your credibility on your earlier American Pravda series too, at least for me.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  360. @Max Payne

    You wrote:

    Listen… America is evil-doing, no doubt.

    But to take a huge risk to release a weak do-nothing virus….

    Why would the US risk a bioweapon attack with untold consequences if caught ….. just to give people the sniffles?

    The Covid psyop was never intended to stay only in China.
    Yes, make it start in China and then crank out the Zio-controlled western media to demonise China with propaganda about how they started it and spread it to the rest of the world.
    The mask muzzling social-distancers are gullible enough to swallow that.

    The U.S economy, stock and bond markets is a house of cards and its demise is nigh.
    When it does come crashing down, the Covid pandemic can be used a pretext for why things went pear shaped.
    The politicians will say: ‘ Surely, you can’t blame us for an act of God that no one could have anticipated’.

    Covid-19 was purposely designed to spread across the planet, and was purposely made no lethal than seasonal flu.
    It HAD to be.

    Because the perpetrators of the psyop knew it would come back to their respective countries and knew there was the possibility that they and their kin might contract it – so there had to be a readily available prophylactic available (eg: Ivermectin) that could be administered to safeguard the miscreants.

    And, to the extent that cheap generic drugs were available that would nip the pandemic in the bud, said medications had to demonised and banned from the market.

    Couple that to medical malpractice (no early treatment of patients, putting them on ventilators, rampant application of DNR’s, disruption in supply chains, disrupting employment, destruction of small businesses and through-the-roof rises in Deaths of Despair), and you have a perfect recipe for depopulation.

    That was ALWAYS the plan.

    • Replies: @Oh Really
  361. In the parent article, Mr. Unz states…

    Based upon excess death totals, the Covid epidemic has probably killed more than 15 million people worldwide, and also greatly disrupted the lives of many billions more.

    This may in fact be true.

    In the first assessment, the burden of accountability for this must primarily be placed upon those who conspired to manufacture and release the Corona Chan “pandemic” upon the world. We have various opinions of exactly who those criminals are, for various reasons coming from various foundational premises. Nonetheless, whoever those people may be, Justice demands that at some point in the future they are identified, prosecuted and punished for their crimes.

    On further assessment, though, we now know that – owing to international social policy responses, imposition of Big Pharma fast-tracked “vaccine” solutions” and corresponding obstruction of safe, effective and readily available off-patent medicinal remedies – perhaps 85% (or even more) of those global fatalities from the “pandemic” were unnecessary. (We surely don’t need pages of links and references to substantiate those observations at this stage of the game).

    This introduces further layers of accountability for this global disaster which is still unfolding. Beyond the principal architects of the Corona Chan “pandemic”, each nation is also host to its own tribe of enablers at all levels who have been complicit in promoting, participating in and profiting from the chaos, suffering and death. As is the case for those at the core of the “pandemic” conspiracy, various opinions abound on who should secondarily be held to account.

    Despite the divergence of opinions around the identification of the guilty parties, the scale of this disaster already suggests that history will not be satisfied with anything less than something akin to the original Nuremburg trials carried out in the years from 1945 to 1949.

    For most of us in the real world, however, the question right now is just how much more of this orchestrated global disaster are we going to have to endure?

  362. @mulga mumblebrain

    You seem to be one of the many UR commenters who have extraordinary ups and downs. But perhaps you were accidentally sending this reply to the wrong comment. Perhaps you would make it clear, if you did intend to direct it to me

    1. What can be conceivably said to be Sinophobic about it?

    2. What is “raccist’ in it?

    3. What is “hypocritical” in it?

    4. What you find so difficult to understand that you call it “gibberish”?

    5 What you find so poorly argued or illogical that you call it “imbecilic”.

    Do you find Ron Unz’s favoured explanation of the Wuhan outbreak provable? If so, what do you regard as most persuasive?

    • Replies: @R.G. Camara
  363. Schuetze says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    ZeroHedge, much like UR, is mostly an aggregator of articles by a diverse group of authors. Also like UR, “Tyler Durden” writes an occasional article when a topic piques his interest. In a fashion similar to Ron Unz, Tyler Durden writes about the bio-weapon. In many ways Durden is far more aware of reality that Ron Unz who lives in liberal Silicon Valley and much of his “world view” is in sync with this narrow mindset. As an example, Tyler Durden is vaccine “hesitant” and does not shirk from discussing the fact that this is far more a pandemic of the bio-weapon vaccines, where as Ron Unz blithely asserts that anyone who doesn’t trust Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J is a “nutter”.

    One area where UR is leagues ahead of ZH is in its commenting engine and commenting policy. ZH deletes or blocks thousands of comments every day that Ron Unz, thankfully, permits. Many of these unblocked comments on UR clearly come straight of Hasbara headquarters, and often one might think even Unz himself is Hasbara, but at least these are counterbalanced an equal number of comments from nationalists and “racists”. UR also has a far superior commenting engine.

    The article in dispute here by Zerohedge was based on some information released by epoch times or some similar online newspaper, IIRC. Tyler Durden recognized its significance before Ron Unz, and “scooped” UR. Furthermore Tyler Durden allows, promotes and writes articles against the vaccine pandemic.

    So I would rank ZH and UR on an equal basis in terms of being beacons for free speech. Whatever Zero Hedge loses due to its poor commenting policy and engine, it gains back by the comparative lack of bias of the webzine owner.

    • Thanks: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  364. “Capitalist companies produce viruses so that they can generate and sell vaccinations.This is very shameful and poor ethics”
    23 Sep 2009 Muammar Gaddafi speech at United Nations General Assembly

  365. Tucker says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Here is even more possible evidence that this whole scamdemic was being planned as far back as when Obama was installed in the White House by Goldman-Sachs – and the first priority he and his Commie democrats began to work on was…….Obama Care. Which, as we now know, was used to set up these ‘health care exchanges’ – which, as we also now know, was used to pressure formerly independent, private doctors and hospitals into them, which as we now can see – placed them under
    the control of Big Government, i.e., the Deep State.

    This arrangement being put into place was essential for the scamdemic that would come later.
    Why?

    Well, take the examples of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Here we have two very inexpensive drugs that have compiled a very respectable and effective track record for treating Covid-19. Reference India, as one prime example. Reference Africa, where ivermectin is taken routinely as a protection against malaria. Covid infection rates are close to non-existent.

    I strongly suspect that the takeover of the US health care industry and the strong-arming that was done to force doctors and hospitals into them – was deliberate, because the Deep State who was planning to unleash their scamdemic wanted to be able to control what drugs were allowed to be dispensed by doctors and hospitals. Covid arrives, as it was planned, and we see news articles that claim the Government is threatening to revoke the licenses to practice medicine of doctors and hospitals if they dare to write prescriptions for invermection and hydroxychloroquine to treat their patients. Big Pharma and the well-connected fat cats can’t rake in billions and billions of dollars unless they have a mandate to force everyone to take the Jabs.

    But, do not think that financial profits are the only reason behind this pathological obsession of the Deep State / Democrat / Communist to force everyone to take th4se dangerous vaccines. I am convinced that they are promoting a population culling agenda, which includes in some cases, premature death, and in other cases, debilitating adverse side effects, such as a deliberate weakening of the human immune system, which they use to push the booster jabs, and also either a reduction or a complete elimination of fertility.

    • Agree: Ultrafart the Brave
    • Replies: @Lysias
  366. @johnnyuinta

    The seasonal flu nearly disappeared in Hesse, probaby also the common cold. I think they became statistically forms of corona. Wonder why?

    • Thanks: johnnyuinta
  367. The childish elite can’t play by their own rules and keep moving the goalposts of this charade pademic. So far they’ve changed the definitions of:

    Herd Immunity: now only includes those vaccinated—They removed ‘natural immunity’ altogether

    http://tritorch.com/d1

    Vaccine: no longer grants immunity from disease. Now merely gives ‘protection’.

    http://tritorch.com/d2

    Pandemic: no longer requires mass sickness and death. Disease merely needs to be widespread.

    http://tritorch.com/d3

    Meanwhile the entire pandemic is built on a foundation of false positives from fraudulent PCR testing.

    http://tritorch.com/PCRFraud

    The game is rigged, folks.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  368. Jiminy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    When this new flu was taking off early last year, there was an interview on the ABC AM show one morning involving a scientist who I believe had been overseeing a lab for CSIRO. She laughed when asked if the virus had jumped to man via several animal hosts, and said something like these things don’t happen like that. It was maybe January or February, and I don’t remember her name. But it was obviously before everybody was told to zip it and to follow the official line.

  369. geokat62 says:
    @SolarTermination

    Herd Immunity: now only includes those vaccinated—They removed ‘natural immunity’ altogether

    They changed it back shortly after…

    • Thanks: SolarTermination
  370. Dumbo says:

    I just found out about someone I know, a friend of a friend, a female, who died suddenly at 40 of a brain aneurysm. No health issues before, not obese, active lifestyle. Sudden death.

    I’m not saying it was the vaccine, but… It *could be* the vaccine.

    However, it appears that women may be more likely than men to brain aneurysms in general.

  371. @Dumbo

    Agree in part. I still believe accidental release, but who can deny the greed by Big Pharma for a sudden near-monopoly market with zero liability, and more ominously, the unprecedented expansion of regulatory power by governments?

    I rarely see discussion of one side effect of the mandatory vaccination program, but perhaps a feature no less: it’s a loyalty test to The Party (renewable every 6 to 12 months). Take the jabs, and you get to enroll in the university, keep your kids in the public school, keep that job (you do want your retirement, don’t you), or in some places, to even be able to go into bars/restaurants/public places. Those who refuse, to the extent they are identifiable, are easily classed as distrustful of government policy, potential dissidents. Now they are easily marginalized, punished without any apparent legal process. If this charade continues, probably forced (e.g. at gunpoint) vaccination is next. Beyond that, who knows?

  372. @Ron Unz

    I just got done writing you that I read that article that is first of your links (your first reply to me) and all the comments. I’d had about enough by then, yet you are just doubling down on what to me is no solid point at all about the Wuhan labs. Here we go! This is from that Nicholas Wade article, and it’s no small one-liner:

    The real problem, however, was not the unsafe state of the Wuhan BSL4 lab but the fact that virologists worldwide don’t like working in BSL4 conditions. You have to wear a space suit, do operations in closed cabinets and accept that everything will take twice as long. So the rules assigning each kind of virus to a given safety level were laxer than some might think was prudent.

    Before 2020, the rules followed by virologists in China and elsewhere required that experiments with the SARS1 and MERS viruses be conducted in BSL3 conditions. But all other bat coronaviruses could be studied in BSL2, the next level down. BSL2 requires taking fairly minimal safety precautions, such as wearing lab coats and gloves, not sucking up liquids in a pipette, and putting up biohazard warning signs. Yet a gain-of-function experiment conducted in BSL2 might produce an agent more infectious than either SARS1 or MERS. And if it did, then lab workers would stand a high chance of infection, especially if unvaccinated.

    Much of Dr. Shi’s work on gain-of-function in coronaviruses was performed at the BSL2 safety level, as is stated in her publications and other documents. She has said in an **interview** with Science magazine that “The coronavirus research in our laboratory is conducted in BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratories.”

    I put those ** around “interview” just to denote that this was a link that doesn’t work anymore, or I’d have read that article too. Did Nick Wade actually say he was wrong on all of this?

    Dr Shi here is Dr. Shi Zheng-li, mentioned 3 times in the Bloomberg article (which I just read). Here’s the 3rd instance of that:

    The names of the scientists reported to have been hospitalized haven’t been disclosed. The Chinese government and Shi Zhengli, the lab’s now-famous bat-virus researcher, have repeatedly denied that anyone from the facility contracted Covid-19. Anderson’s work at the facility, and her funding, ended after the pandemic emerged and she focused on the novel coronavirus.

    Interesting. The thing is, Danielle Anderson did not know the whole lab, and she only worked there for short spells. “Her most recent stint ended in November 2019…” Indeed, she does go on about the facility being hunky-dory BSL-4, with descriptions of the work environment. She is very proud of their making and keeping track of their very own disinfectant. Here’s the smoking gun:

    Anderson was on the ground in Wuhan when experts believe the virus, now known as SARS-CoV-2, was beginning to spread. Daily visits for a period in late 2019 put her in close proximity to many others working at the 65-year-old research center. She was part of a group that gathered each morning at the Chinese Academy of Sciences to catch a bus that shuttled them to the institute about 20 miles away.

    As the sole foreigner, Anderson stood out, and she said the other researchers there looked out for her.

    “We went to dinners together, lunches, we saw each other outside of the lab,” she said.

    Oh, she had dinner with them. They looked out for her. Well, then, that tears it. Case closed, I guess. More:

    Anderson said no one she knew at the Wuhan institute was ill toward the end of 2019. Moreover, there is a procedure for reporting symptoms that correspond with the pathogens handled in high-risk containment labs.

    “If people were sick, I assume that I would have been sick—and I wasn’t,” she said. “I was tested for coronavirus in Singapore before I was vaccinated, and had never had it.”

    OK, then, see? Yet, this lab is no small operation. Miss Anderson admits:

    I’m Not Naive’

    It’s not that it’s impossible the virus spilled from there. Anderson, better than most people, understands how a pathogen can escape from a laboratory. SARS, an earlier coronavirus that emerged in Asia in 2002 and killed more than 700 people, subsequently made its way out of secure facilities a handful of times, she said.

    If presented with evidence that such an accident spawned Covid-19, Anderson “could foresee how things could maybe happen,” she said. “I’m not naive enough to say I absolutely write this off.”

    Next:

    And yet, she still believes it most likely came from a natural source. Since it took researchers almost a decade to pin down where in nature the SARS pathogen emerged, Anderson says she’s not surprised they haven’t found the “smoking gun” bat responsible for the latest outbreak yet.

    The Wuhan Institute of Virology is large enough that Anderson said she didn’t know what everyone was working on at the end of 2019. She is aware of published research from the lab that involved testing viral components for their propensity to infect human cells. Anderson is convinced no virus was made intentionally to infect people and deliberately released—one of the more disturbing theories to have emerged about the pandemic’s origins.

    My bold both times. This lady just doesn’t seem to even be supporting your case, Mr. Unz. No, I never speculated that the virus was deliberately released either. As I wrote before, well, if you create it to be deadly to humans, that’s pretty close to “intentionally to infect people” though.

    OK, from a guy who calls me lazy, I wonder if your lack of this laziness is based on being a skimmer, rather than a reader. You tell us in some of your article that delve into American history that “I read 14 books on it this weekend so let me tell you …” (Sorry, I’m probably exaggerating a tad ..) Were you really READING said books? How about this Bloomberg article about the reports from Danielle Anderson? I know the one part about BSL-4 helps at least take away supporting evidence for a Wuhan Lab Leak, but it’s no evidence it didn’t happen either.

    It’s obvious to me why you believe the mainstream Bloomberg article over that particular part of Nicholas Wade’s article and the words of Dr. Shi*- it supports your theory more. Why should I believer the former over the latter though?

    .

    * She is Chinese, after all, and they have all that WISDOM.

    • Thanks: thotmonger
  373. @Schuetze

    Since you all brought it up here, and I was a voracious reader of the whole ZeroHedge site (and all comments) back in ’11 or so:

    A decade ago ZH was a big-finance/investment advice/discussion site that concentrated on the politics behind the Finance Capital sham, being very close to a prepper site, really. The commenters were just awesome – funny as hell, with some good advice – especially regarding prepping for the worst to come, including those “unfortunate boating accidents” involving those precious metals. Most of the commenters at that time sounded like guys in the investment “industry”. About the only thing I thought was silly is that, as they would deride the whole “rigged” (or whatever appropriate term) financial system, they would still speculate on how to beat the house! “Well, if you say it’s rigged, why don’t you get out of the game?!” would have been one of my comments, if I had signed up.

    Over the last decade, ZH got much more into political stories of all sorts, got to posting 3 times as much, at least, but worst of all, made some software changes that ruined the whole experience. First, comments are hidden at first, no biggie, but then you’ve got to click for “More”, “More”, etc. I don’t like anything approaching that Facebook or Disqus style. The big thing is that there are so many scripts running for ads or whatever, that the site crashed my browser half the time. Please don’t bother to tell me that I’m missing ad-blocker, etc., as I have tried to view the site on a few fairly locked-down work computers, and it crashes the browser there too.

    Just my 2 cents on that site. I really miss the old ZeroHedge!

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  374. @Raches

    You discuss in detail Ron’s writing and web site. Yet you say absolutely nothing about the possibility of the entire thing being a collection operation. I enjoy being allowed to participate here and I’ve learned a lot by reading Ron’s articles and working my way through the often voluminous and — at least partially — enlightening comments. Since our stock in trade here is conspiracies, why not a further one: Ron operates a web site, unique or nearly so on the internet, that offers a rich selection of high-quality articles by himself and outside authors, some of them fairly famous. He allows near-unlimited freedom of speech by his commenters. Almost unheard-of in today’s world.

    Yet he’s left alone in his little ecological niche. I’m not aware of him having (or seeking) mainstream recognition. I know he’s published in the mainstream in the past, but my impression is that he doesn’t do that recently.

    If intelligence services, foreign or domestic, wanted to set up a honey pot to collect the IPs, emails and other data on conservative, dissident right, freethinker, call us what you like, potential enemies of Globohomo, could you imagine a more perfect set-up? America’s privacy laws are so poor, as I understand them, that much, perhaps all of that data could even be purchased from the internet service providers as a commercial good, not even requiring any legal authority. There already are cases in law where law enforcement used legally sourced privately collected data.

    I’m willing to continue to participate here. But I’m aware of — and acccept — the risks of being a dissident. At least when we’re all in the camp, we’ll be well informed for our discussions!

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  375. Carter says:

    After skimming through this on lewrockwell, I take exception with a couple of points, although not questioning whether the central thesis – bioweapon unleashed by U.S. govt.

    One: You parrot the catchphrase “deadly new virus” which the other three branches has used effectively to destroy our economy and livelihoods. As many other writers on lewrockwell have argued for, with solid data, this is NOT a “deadly new virus”. It is neither deadly, no more so than any other flu variant in terms of mortality rate, nor is it new as in previously unknown, but simply another mutation among thousands (tens of thousands?) of our old friend, the coronavirus.

    I do appreciate views and theories counter to what we’re fed in MSM, but riding on the coattails of one of the biggest lies that they’ve perpetuated does not add to your credibility as an independent journalist.

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
  376. @American Citizen

    It is quite possible that the intelligence agencies presented Trump with a plan to use the coronavirus to disrupt China’s economy, and Trump, having gone all in on being “tough on China” with trade, agreed to it. Obviously, he did not see the wider plan. The intelligence agencies figured he wouldn’t be smart enough to see it, and they were right.

    • Replies: @ld
  377. Ktulu says:
    @American Citizen

    How much did Trump know about anything during his presidency?

  378. Stephane says:
    @Olivier1973

    Does it mean that it is cheaper to produce mRNA vaccines than the protein itself? To store the vaccine at -70°C is not very confortable nor practical and cannot be achieved everywhere.

    It is not necessarily cheaper, but it is as far as I can tell easier and faster, because once the lipid “delivery package” is mastered, it can be used to deliver a different mRNA string, coding for a different protein, and the whole process is mostly organic chemistry. One drawback is the fragility of the mRNA strand, requiring super-cold freezing for conservation beyond a few days.

    Protein production (the “sub-unit” vaccine technoly – there are several COVID based on it) relies on cell culture and need separation / purification steps. The general process is well known, but there are more variable and steps to adjust so it takes more time to develop and ramp up to distribution scale than mRNA. But it’s probably cheaper in the long run, and more convenient to store.

    As I understood, Sputnik V costs half the mRNA vaccines. Here the spike protein is attached to an adenovirus.

    More accurately, the ADN string coding for the spike protein is delivered into cells by a replication-deficient adenovirus, and it’s your body that make the spike protein – similar to how mRNA vaccine works. Sputnik V use two different viruses, one for each injection. IIRC it’s to reduce the likelyhood of the immune system “learning” the viral vector after the first injection and reducing the effectiveness the second dose.

    The adenovirus used as a vectors are missing the genes encoding for a protein required for their replication. The cultured cells used for production make that protein, so they can churn out viruses, but the viruses are unable to successfully replicate in the vaccinated organism.

    • Thanks: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Stephane
  379. anonymous[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Here are some interesting admissions against interest. We have Fauci and a bunch of CIA NOCs explicitly planning mass formation

    https://alethonews.com/2021/10/05/video-emerges-where-fauci-and-others-plan-for-a-universal-mrna-flu-vaccine-which-became-the-covid-19-mrna-vaccine/

    People aren’t scared enough for Fauci. Mass formation, as Desmet explains, is an inherently totalitarian tactic. This is CIA’s core competence, their followup to WTC sabotage.

    https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/EyeOfTheStorm-ProfMattiasDesmet.html

    Fauci wants some of that sweet free-floating anxiety that CIA’s been hosing us down with. Flu hysteria is a joke just like color-coded terror alerts are a joke, because Americans are too emotionally healthy despite CIA’s constant mindfucks. So he hitches a ride on CIA’s banned biological weapons in full complicity with the crime against humanity of mass medical experimentation.

  380. Stephane says:
    @Stephane

    (the “sub-unit” vaccine technoly – there are several COVID based on it)

    Opus, clumsy fingers. Meant to write the “sub-unit” vaccine technology – there are several COVID vaccines based on it.

  381. Oh Really says:
    @Kuru

    The BIOWEAPON is the VACCINE. The fake virus is just a way to open the door to getting idiots to kill themselves with the bioweapon. It is and was the flu rebranded, which explains why the IFR is the same, even according to Fauci.

  382. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Bumpkin

    The fact is someone still released Covid and all the excess deaths happened, and it is perfectly in keeping that a bunch of stupid elites made the Covid response much worse with a bunch of stupid deep state operatives releasing the bioweapon to attack China in the first place.

    So the fact is a major faction of our government is comprised of psychopaths and traitors who are repeatedly guilty of treason and killing Americans and foreigners for their own psychotic ends, but you’re trying to make this about Ron Unz, as if he’s got some pathology for hating the neolib/neocon/deep state traitors?

    Any sane American who has been paying attention for last 30 years? 40 years? hates the ((traitors)) with a passion. The fact that so few Americans are paying attention and fewer still hate the traitors who are killing them and destroying the country and the Constitution goes to show how far ZOG has come, and how degraded the American pubic has become.

    • Replies: @Bumpkin
  383. Oh Really says:
    @Truth Vigilante

    COVID-19 is not a new virus created for any particular purpose. It is the rebranded seasonal flu. nothing more. They didn’t need to create a new virus because the stupidity of the people is abundant and that have for the most part walk right into the slaughterhouse on their own.

  384. @mulga mumblebrain

    “a long-term anti-racist and friend of Jews (many of whom defended him strongly, but were ignored)like Corbyn can be lynched by utterly fraudulent accusations of ‘antisemitism’”

    Corbyn was derailed because he applied his anti-racism impartially and sought to judge Israel by the same standards he judged other countries.

    (and I’m glad he lost in 2019, but it has to be said that a huge and influential chunk of his own party – you could call it the Blair/Starmer wing – was actively trying to sabotage his campaign)

  385. It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself.

    Ron – just because the US knew about this in November DOES NOT MEAN THE CHINESE DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT IT TOO. Show us your logic and EVIDENCE that the Chinese did NOT KNOW.

    Ron – why can’t you get it through your head that Globalists hate their own people and work together against their own people? Like the mafia families, they are constantly competing against each other but NEVER in a way that weakens the mafia overall.

    Ron – why can’t you see that Fauci, Gates, Adhanom, Schwabb, etc. HATE the little people and work together to fuck us all?

    Sure the psychopathic, warmongering pedophiles who run the US are responsible for Covid (AND THE DEATH SHOT RON) but so is China, so is the WHO so are thousands upon thousands of traitorous government, health officials and corporate bosses and scientists, around the world.

    Ron – please stop being so horrifically obtuse, autistic, or whatever the hell it is that is blinding you.

  386. @Anonymous

    The bodies own cells will produce it.

    Sounds a lot like what cancer does – manufacture something foreign when looked at from what’s normal. The cancer cells are not “normal” and neither is the vaccine sewage.

  387. @Rev. Spooner

    The best thing to do is to kill the cancer cells.

  388. @Weaver

    “Fauci unintentionally has helped kill millions of people” What Fauci has done was intentional. He is still promoting the deadly jab and helping to prevent effective treatment. He has blood on his hands. Funding the gain of function research was also intentional, without which we would not have this plandemic.

  389. Realist says:
    @Anon

    I didn’t say covid was like pneumonia, I am making the point that things that attack the lungs are not new or novel.

    Your comment was:

    This is nothing novel or new. Ever heard of pneumonia?

    This implies that Covid is like pneumonia. The fact is Ciovid is novel and much more complex than pneumonia. Covid affects much more than the lungs.

    Your ignorance of Covid is monumental.

    What sense does it make to believe they created a special laboratory weapon to fit a very strict worldwide program they were going to roll out ?

    The fact that Covid is novel and complex, lends credence to…lab-created.

    • Replies: @Anon
  390. Lysias says:
    @Tucker

    Your view that covid started being planned in 2009 is supported by the 2011 Hollywood movie “Contagion,” planning for which began in 2009, and everything about which supports the views that the government wants us to have about covid.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  391. @Achmed E. Newman

    I have had my eye on Dr Shi since a TUR commenter(“eah”?) posted a paper by Shi et al of their experiments producing virus chimera based on bat coronaviruses, their product seemed very similar to SARS-COV2. Since their work was done at The Wuhan Institute of Virology and the epidemic started in Wuhan therefore….. but apparently logic is a sign of “sinophobia”. Dr Shi has made two other interesting statements. Early on she said(paraphrased) “I could’nt sleep for three days. I thought, could it be one of our viruses? So I checked our samples and it wasn’t any of ours.” So Dr Shi checked herself and it couldn’t be her time to move on. Sometime later she took a very hard line, complaining of people “dumping filth on the heads of reputable scientists”. Sounds like the coverup China-side is complete.

    • Replies: @skrik
  392. not sure says:

    This was actually similar to my first best guess. Some sort of Western sabotage during the military games in Wuhan or some such cloak and dagger intrigue with CIA boogiemen on the job.

    But I’m not a 60 year old man that wants to live forever, so I interpret the “death” statistics quite differently. I also interpret the “diagnoses” of covid quite differently.

    So now the threat of unleashed bioweapons appears to be mostly a fearmongering technique, regardless of whether the cat is in that box or some other box. Cats love boxes. Who knows which one is in which? All we really know is that this virus was apparently engineered, and its purpose was to completely eradicate the common flu.

    I’m not a scared old man, and realize that covid is trivial enough to be a fiction when compared to its accompanying “co-morbidities”.

    Unz sees covid as one more problem that needs to be solved in some sort of compulsive, single minded obsession to reduce his opportunities to die.

    So he trusts the doctors who pile up “statistics” and “reality” one convenient presumption, one half truth at a time. I don’t do that. When a diabetic or cancer patient dies, I don’t make up some fashionable, invisible, transmissible reason for it.

    Incidentally, I’ve fucked enough “scientists” and “doctors” to know that they like taking orders. They’re intellectually fallible, and morally facile people who love their career and prestige, regardless of the accompanying chain of authority.

    When we realize how over diagnosed this virus is, inflated at every metric possible, but especially the death metric, covid becomes an example of the West sabotaging itself, not China.

    Unz be at his doctor’s like, “Please, can I have my quarterly booster early?? Is it time for my cats’ to get theirs too? Yay! Tytyty Please don’t let me die, please, omg, pls, no god no doctor, pls, never!”

    Unz gonna keep on believing in the 15 million and horse dewormer stories.

    • LOL: Ben the Layabout
  393. It’s great that NBA players are coming out and saying they won’t take the Covid vaxx.

    Hopefully this will snowball and we’ll see other prominent athletes, like tennis players for example, showing some courage and standing up for bodily autonomy.

    Imagine the following media headline:

    Novaxx Djokovic defies Covid mandates – adamant he’ll never take the clot shot.

    • Agree: John Wear
    • Replies: @durd
  394. not sure says:

    As far as the deaths in Iranian leadership go….

    Considering authorities there believe that surgical and hormonal sex change operations are perfectly normal procedures that the Koran allows…. lol

    …I wouldn’t really take that whole drama very seriously.

  395. @Ron Unz

    Ventriloquizing people into saying what they didn’t say is an old, I think Frank Luntzian, trick. On the contrary, I would contend that their rejoinders were complex, nuanced, well-argued and hard to refute.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  396. Bumpkin says:
    @Chris Moore

    Take a look at my comment history, I agree with everything you say. But what is worse for the establishment, that some rogue operatives released a deadly virus about which there’s nothing the authorities could have done or that Covid wasn’t that bad but their collective freakout killed many more than Covid did? Obviously the latter.

    Regardless of how that blame should be apportioned, I believe the latter best fits the facts and by refusing to acknowledge that, Ron hurts his case. That is the problem. We are all pointing our fingers at the same culprits, but if he makes mistakes like this, he will persuade less people, so we’re trying to get him to tighten up his case.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  397. Schuetze says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Back in 2011 ZH had some really great commenters, but for some unknown reason the Tyler Durden tag team decided to chase them all away. Originally the entire ZH credo was “fight club” where in the comments section “anything goes”. All of the other short sighted changes could have been tolerated, but to me it was the deterioration of the diversity and freedom of expression in the comments section that really caused me to lose interest, and to stop commenting myself. This should be a lesson to Ron Unz. There is a certain tribe of people who cannot tolerate free speech among the goyim, and they always try to “shut it down” whenever too many truths are being expressed. This happened to ZH.

    I also used to enjoy the DailyStormer comments section, but Andrew Anglin was forced to move this onto Tor when the immense pressure from the power of the chicken swingers became too intense. Now AA has many great posts here at UR, but I have to admit that the old wild west comments on Daily Stormer were far more entertaining, diverse and informative than the comments on AA’s articles here at UR.

    It is certainly possible that my own personal Overton Window is so small that I do not discern that many diverse opinions are being suppressed even in the UR comments section. But outside of Gab, I have not seen the kind of radical comments that, say, Heebhunter, or even yourself, regularly make on UR.

    So in my opinion, up until now, Ron Unz deserves enormous kudos for maintaining free and diverse comment section, and for maintaining such an excellent commenting engine.

  398. Turk 152 says:
    @Ron Unz

    You should add Turkish – they are over western hegemony and have very little freedom of the press. 13th most common language in the world and many of your discussions are directly relevant to the wold they live in.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  399. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It’s important to distinguish professional opinion from eyewitness testimony.

    Dr. Danielle Anderson is an experienced virologist who believes that Covid is natural, as do many other virologists. However, large numbers of other experienced virologists are convinced it came from a lab. On that issue, her opinion carries no more weight than those of all her colleagues. I’m not an expert and can’t effectively adjudicate those conflicting scientific claims, and have never said I could. That’s exactly why I’ve always focused on other evidence.

    However, regarding the safety standards at the Wuhan lab, Anderson is a highly-credible personal eyewitness, and her statements carry a great deal of weight. She also is extremely skeptical that there were any sort of lab-leak, let alone that some of the researchers became sick with Covid. The only evidence on the other side is anonymous “intelligence reports” from unknown third-parties, pretty much the same sort of junk that was used to convince everyone that Saddam had WMDs, in both cases promoted by the same sort of Deep State Neocons. Aside from that anonymous garbage, there’s absolutely ZERO evidence of a lab-leak or any Wuhan researchers getting sick, so Anderson’s eyewitness evidence to the contrary is all that we have.

    With regard to the remarks Dr. Shi had made in her interview, people have pointed out that her English may not be very good, and it’s easy to see how her statements regarding the timing of the BSL-2 and BSL-4 work might have gotten a little garbled. Anderson’s personal eyewitness evidence comes from exactly the period that the alleged lab-leak might have occurred, and is therefore far more persuasive.

  400. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve just watched and listened to Danielle Anderson’s brief and uncrossexamined Boomberg interview dated 27 June. It seems a bit thin to bear the weight you want it to carry.

    I’ve replied to your points in a different comment:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/#comment-4939845

    Maybe casual observers seem to treat chatter and repetition as proof. So if hundreds of articles or news segments constantly say “lab-leak” they gradually begin to assume there must be some evidence for that, and accept it as reality.

    However, there is ZERO ZERO ZERO evidence of any Wuhan lab-leak. As the single credible eyewitness on the scene, Dr. Anderson’s evidence may be “thin” but “thin” is more than NOTHING.

    In her Bloomberg interview, she said the Wuhan safety protocols were outstanding and she saw and heard absolutely no indications of any lab-leak, which she believes she would have if it had occurred.

    As you know, the entire political leadership of the US, Australia, and other associated countries has been claiming that the Wuhan lab was unsafe and promoting the “lab-leak” theory, it’s hardly surprising that her statements got considerable push-back. But just read her interview.

    • Replies: @durd
    , @Wizard of Oz
  401. @Ron Unz

    Dear Mr. Unz:

    I am willing to accept the testimony of Dr. Anderson, insofar as it regards her observations of laboratory protocols at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (or WIV). That testimony would tend to minimize (but not eliminate) the possibility of a lab leak occurring at the WIV. Lab accidents have been known to happen, and with some frequency.

    Regardless, though, of whether the WIV has been eliminated as the origin point of a lab leak or ‘outbreak’, I would like to draw your attention to an open source research paper conducted by the lads and lasses of D.R.A.S.T.I.C., an open-source intelligence group of virologists, and others, who have done good work in collecting and analyzing the available information on the virus and its connexion with Wuhan:

    https://drasticresearch.org/2021/04/16/3-whuan-laboratories-bat-research-and-biosafety

    To summarize the contents of that paper, the author indicates that two other virus laboratories exist in Wuhan: 1) a laboratory affiliated with the Peoples’ Liberation Army, which has been implicated in bioweapons research since the 1980s; and 2) a laboratory which appears to have been dedicated to producing and disposing of lab animals and materials. The paper provides evidence that the three laboratories at Wuhan had been working in close cooperation since their separate inceptions. The paper also indicates that disposal and security procedures at lab #2 have been, to say the least, rather dodgy.

    Needless to say, unless Dr. Anderson’s work included work at the two other viral facilities, her testimony is of probative value only regarding WIV. Thus, her testimony does not rule out the possibility that one or the other of the two labs may have been a source of a lab leak or outbreak.

    Mr. Unz, if you have not already made use of the available information at drasticresearch.org, I would recommend both you and your readers to do so.

    As for me, I prefer the light of information to the heat of controversy.

    Finally, thank you for unz.org, and for your efforts to shed more light than heat on this, and other, subjects.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  402. @Schuetze

    So in my opinion, up until now, Ron Unz deserves enormous kudos for maintaining free and diverse comment section, and for maintaining such an excellent commenting engine.

    Damned straight!

  403. Ron Unz says:
    @obwandiyag

    Ventriloquizing people into saying what they didn’t say is an old, I think Frank Luntzian, trick. On the contrary, I would contend that their rejoinders were complex, nuanced, well-argued and hard to refute.

    Look, this is NOT a thread for debating whether Covid is actually a dangerous disease or not. There are other threads for that.

    Most of the responses were ridiculous. There was a jump in 2020 deaths of well over 500,000, a rise totally unprecedented in modern American history. One fellow pointed to the huge 30% jump in homicides as partly being responsible, but that total increase was less than 5,000. Others made all sorts of vague claims about drug treatments or heart attacks brought about by loneliness or that sort of thing.

    The estimates I’ve seen are that “excess deaths” in India were probably more than 4 million, and coincidentally, India was hit very hard by Covid.

    I’m not interesting in this issue, and it’s not the topic of this thread.

    • Replies: @Herd Stupidity
  404. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    I guess it will take another few decades to sort through the horror they are active in now. They hate the average citizen with a white hot hatred that we will never be able to comprehend.

    Neocon and Zionist Karl Rove already addressed your little person/deplorable/serf perspective when he said:

    “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

    In other words, by the time the serfs have figured out what crimes history’s chosen-elect have committed, how and why, “history’s actors” will have moved on to new and bigger crimes, and the little people will just be left sputtering in rage and stomping their feet like the innefectual little goyim they are.

    These arrogant Zionist psychopaths have basically announced their contempt for the entire country and the world outside of their chosen-elect selves, have announced their crimes and their intentions to continue to commit bigger and bigger ones, and explained how you all will do nothing but study them in awe.

    ((Trotsky)) by way of ((Kissinger)) protégé ((Klaus Schwab)) made a similar announcement when he stated of the average plebe, You will own nothing and be happy.

    All of these “inevitable outcomes” have been pre-determined by fabulist Zionist psychotics to serve their own gang’s mentally ill interests and agendas, which have absolutely nothing to do with reality, reason, logic, facts or fate.

    Whatever threats await America and the world, the Zionists will only make them exponentially worse. If they’re allowed to.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Just another serf
  405. @SafeNow

    Mr Unz’s essays had a similar effect on me, however I can’t quantify it. What has changed is that I can’t ignore the possibility of intentional release by both China and The United States. The initiative would be by the US for the benefit of justifying mail-in voting to defeat Trump. For China the “crisis” would give the CCP the opportunity to pretend they are supernaturally competent and show their People they can be locked down in their homes on a whim.

  406. @Ron Unz

    Aside from that anonymous garbage, there’s absolutely ZERO evidence of a lab-leak or any Wuhan researchers getting sick, so Anderson’s eyewitness evidence to the contrary is all that we have.

    There’s no evidence of it. So what? “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”, as the man wrote above. Who says that those who know otherwise have not been silenced? Do you seriously think Chinese governments are full of honest wouldn’t-tell-a-lie Abe Lincolns (and he’s questionable anyway)? My common sense says, yes, it got out of the Wuhan labs unintentionally, and barring any SOLID evidence rather than what I think is speculation more than anything about the virus being spread deliberately from the US, I see no reason to think otherwise.

    Here’s what we should keep in mind, anyway, whether you were right or not – let me excerpt a part of Truth Vigilante’s comment above:

    Yes, make it start in China and then crank out the Zio-controlled western media to demonise China with propaganda about how they started it and spread it to the rest of the world.

    Who cares?!* I don’t get why you and others are so attached to the idea that Americans have animosity to the Chinese based on their understanding (rightly or wrongly) that this virus originated in China. We’ve had others out of the Orient every decade or so.

    Even those who have been in a hysterical panic about this virus, and I know one very personally (she’s well over that now) never made this into a cause to hate the Chinese people. I have seen people blame every bad thing in the world on the CCP, but that’s not your average American. Even those who do don’t hate the Chinese people due to a freaking virus!

    As I wrote above “It’s the PanicFest, stupid!” (That’s not any personal insult to anyone, but a take-off on a Bill Clinton line.)

    .

    * OK, maybe THE WHO cares, the organization and perhaps a few of the band members too, I dunno. I know Keith Moon doesn’t care …

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  407. Ron Unz says:
    @Bernard Brandt

    To summarize the contents of that paper, the author indicates that two other virus laboratories exist in Wuhan:

    Look, since January 2020 absolutely ALL the American accusations that Covid was the produce of a Chinese lab-lab have been directed at the Wuhan Lab (WIV), the one where Dr. Shi worked with Coronavirus research.

    People noted that she’d co-authored papers with American researchers on Coronaviruses, there were claims that the WIV safety standards were low, and there were “intelligence reports” that some of the WIV researchers had gotten sick from Covid. None of the evidence was strong, but it was endlessly repeated.

    Then Dr. Anderson came forward as the only direct, credible eye-witness and showed it was all nonsense. The WIV safety protocols were outstanding, none of the researchers there had gotten sick, and there was absolutely no indication of any lab-leak.

    So now the same group of totally dishonest propagandists are now starting to give up on the WIV lab and saying, well, maybe it was some other lab in Wuhan, even though there’s ZERO evidence for that. As far as I know, there’s no evidence those other labs worked with Coronaviruses or had any lab-leak. The only thing suggesting them is that they’re located in Wuhan.

    I haven’t seen your name here much, but if you haven’t already done so, you really should read my own articles on the origins of Covid, perhaps beginning with these two:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-wuhan-iran-and-several-red-herrings/

    There’s absolutely overwhelming evidence it was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), hardly surprising given that for 50-odd years America has had the world’s largest and most advanced biowarfare program:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-waging-biological-warfare/

  408. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    There’s no evidence of it. So what? “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence”, as the man wrote above.

    Okay, but there’s MASSIVE evidence on the other side, namely that Covid was an American biowarfare attack on China (and Iran):

    For example, in 2017 Trump brought in Robert Kadlec, who since the 1990s had been one of America’s leading biowarfare advocates. The following year in 2018 a mysterious viral epidemic hit China’s poultry industry and in 2019, another mysterious viral epidemic devastated China’s pork industry. Here are a couple of paragraphs from my long article that you never bothered reading:

    From the earliest days of the administration, leading Trump officials had regarded China as America’s most formidable geopolitical adversary, and orchestrated a policy of confrontation. Then from January to August 2019, Kadlec’s department ran the “Crimson Contagion” simulation exercise, involving the hypothetical outbreak of a dangerous respiratory viral disease in China, which eventually spreads into the United States, with the participants focusing on the necessary measures to control it in this country. As one of America’s foremost biowarfare experts, Kadlec had emphasized the unique effectiveness of bioweapons as far back as the late 1990s and we must commend him for his considerable prescience in having organized a major viral epidemic exercise in 2019 that was so remarkably similar to what actually began in the real world just a few months later.

    With leading Trump officials greatly enamored of biowarfare, fiercely hostile to China, and running large-scale 2019 simulations on the consequences of a mysterious viral outbreak in that country, it seems entirely unreasonable to completely disregard the possibility that such extremely reckless plans may have been privately discussed and eventually implemented, though probably without presidential authorization.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#p_1_39

    • Agree: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @thotmonger
  409. @Zachary Smith

    have you any stats or links supporting this hypothesis, or is it based on numbers of covid cases…in which case have you links supporting the efficacy of sinovac versus western pharma? thank you.

  410. @Ron Unz

    One more thing. This is about a limitation of the English language rather than politics, and it relates to something I tried to tell someone recently.

    “Blame” is a loaded word, as is “deserve”. This guy had had cancer early in life, and he noted to us that when people asked about him, they often asked “were/are you a smoker?” He said that they wanted to “blame” him for that, or that they implied he somehow “deserved” what happened. To me, these people just wanted to feel safer from this most deadly of diseases themselves. It helps to notice a lifestyle factor that one can either stop or never start.

    “Oh, he smokes. See, that explains it. That shouldn’t happen to me, because I don’t.” It makes people feel better about their worry about possibly dying at an early age like that. They wanted to “blame” his problem on smoking. They wouldn’t have “blamed” the guy himself in the sense of “Ha, you brought this on yourself and you therefore deserve it!” (BTW, he said he DIDN’T smoke, but that’s not my point.)

    Let me relate this to my previous comment now: I use the phrase “Kung Flu”, and one I wish I’d started with, “The Flu Manchu” because they’re funny, and, yeah, the disease came here from China. Except for the un-PC aspects, which I ain’t going to worry myself about, these terms are not said in hatred and blame of the Chinese people.

    We’ve got Kudzu climbing up and killing trees still in the South, but nobody says “damned Japanese!” about it. Somebody screwed up and brought in, or let be brought in, this invasive species from Japan. It was a bad move. This disease came over from China (let’s ignore its beginnings here, so either way) due to wide-open travel policies, political battles about that, people holding a big “stop the anti-Chinese-virus-hate” rally in one of New York’s Chinatowns, yelling slogans at close quarters – I kid you not!, so yeah, people screwed up, letting it infect Americans so quickly. That does not at all put the blame on the Chinese people sick and infected with COVID.

    Basically, I don’t see wanting to stir up hatred of the Chinese as any serous motive to attribute to any plan to spread the virus around. Maybe there are plenty of others, but, just sayin’ …

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  411. @Schuetze

    Just for old time’s sake, Schuetze, do your remember the commenter “Johnny Bravo” and the other commenters of that cohort? Again, I just lurked, but I remember that Johnny Bravo swore he would quit the site if gold went up above \$1200/tr-oz, i.e., he thought that’d be ridiculous. Well it did, and he did!

    Gold went well down below that lever from a few years, but due to the reasons I’ve described I was no longer reading much there. Adios and God speed, Johnny Bravo!

  412. @Ron Unz

    There was a jump in 2020 deaths of well over 500,000, a rise totally unprecedented in modern American history.

    The 500K yearly excess deaths is an ~ 17% rise. Very significant, but something that might not be readily noticeable to many, especially given the time frame and age skew. If you ordinarily know 6 people a year that die, having a year with 7 funerals (an ~ 17% increase) might not seem atypical.

    I’ve been able to convince doubters by narrowing the view to specific outbreak areas. NYC is instructive:

    Weeks 5-25 2015-2019 avg = 21.8K total deaths

    Weeks 5-25 2020: 49.1K total deaths

    Most of the above NYC excess deaths occurred in a 7-9 week period which disproves the suicide and overdose arguments, imho. Further, NYC had a harsh lockdown for much of that time.

    FYI, excess U.S. deaths from Jan. 2020 through week 34, 2021 = ~ 927K (with significant upward weekly revisions ongoing). I think the IHME excess death numbers, while higher, are even more accurate (> 1,000,000 to date).

    Source: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

    For those that don’t trust the government’s figures, what can I say…….

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  413. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Bumpkin

    what is worse for the establishment, that some rogue operatives released a deadly virus about which there’s nothing the authorities could have done or that Covid wasn’t that bad but their collective freakout killed many more than Covid did?

    What’s worse for the establishment is the truth, which is that the “rogue operatives” are the establishment.

    Zionists don’t change, they corrupt and change the people around them until they’ve molded them into accomplices; until they’ve all become as corrupt and evil as they are.

    We’re well past the point of building “cases” and now into polemics, which is towards the final stages before revolution. Even if Unz rationally nails the case, do you think there’s a judge in land who will give it a hearing?

    Just like the 9/11 inside job and the Iraq war lies, the establishment will bury it by hook or by crook. And eventually by force of arms.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Bumpkin
  414. @Curmudgeon

    Accidents can always happen. The WIV remains the favourite suspect due to its world class bat virus collection and past history of experimenting with them, including the infamous gain-of-function funded by EcoHealth Alliance. However, a second, less frequently mentioned option exists:

    https://www.usf.edu/coronavirus/index.aspx

    I have no way to confirm this, but I recall reading at least a few times that this facility also does (did) animal research at lower safety standards (BSL-2). I see no reason why that couldn’t include bat viruses. Photos can be found of personnel both in the field and in labs handling live animals, including bats, with zero protection. I’m not a technician, but I suspect that a pair of rubber gloves and a face shield provide very much protection against zoonotic viruses.

    In theory, when they are hot-rodding a virus one would hope they would use higher safety levels, but how do we know that’s the case?

  415. Odd behaviour of the edit option: In place of the wrong URL, it should say:

    Google: Wuhan Center for Disease Control

  416. @Ron Unz

    About excess mortality in 2020. In France and in Switzerland there was no excess mortality below the age of 65 yo.

    In Geneva, Switzerland, there was no excess mortality in 2020 from 1 yo to 69 yo compared with the 10 previous years. There was an excess mortality below 1 yo and above 69 yo. The excess mortality is higher than the covid mortality.

  417. @Herd Stupidity

    Where is it possible to find the raw death numbers by ages and by years, say since 2010?

  418. @Olivier1973

    The short answer (which I parrot from a source of unknown provenance) is “any tissue that the blood circulates through.” The encapsulated mRNA (in its protective layer, to protect it from body immune system) was claimed to remain in shoulder muscle. The delivery method attaches to a cell, the mRNA is inserted and does its thing (cell produces the spike protein which attach to outside of cell, as I understand it.) This process works well enough. What also is happening, they claim, is that some of the encapsulated mRNA enters the blood stream where it goes — well, lots of places. Eventually the package is delivered to a cell and it makes more spike proteins. The problem is, that these locations may be the blood vessels, the heart muscle (blamed on the “rare” cases of heart trouble in previously healthy youth, primarily males), various other health issues. Blood clots are serious issue, also apparently happen in tiny vessels where they are difficult for body to clear. None of this sounds very cheerful. I suspect we are just in the first innings of Very Bad News resulting from the mad dash to inject the world with an inadequately tested product.

  419. Realist says:
    @HbutnotG

    I caught it twice inside of 12 weeks.

    Your story sounds like bullshit. Were you diagnosed with Covid?

  420. anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    “rogue elements of the national security apparatus” =

    confuse a goy.

    as evil lincoln said:

    You can fool some of the goys all of the time, and all of the goys some of the time, but you can not fool all of the goys all of the time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfCufFRo-hU&ab_channel=Movieclips

  421. RLV says:
    @Herd Stupidity

    You’ve got to somehow adjust those numbers for the massive unemployment and wealth flight from NYC during that period in 2020.

  422. durd says:
    @Ron Unz

    Though mostly circumstantial, there is some evidence to the lab leak theory.

    https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/ORIGINS-OF-COVID-19-REPORT.pdf

    I found this interesting:

    Australian and British researchers also examined how SARS-CoV-2 binds to the ACE2 of various animals, publishing their research in Scientific Reports on June 24, 2021. The scientists found that SARS-CoV-2’s spike protein binds the strongest to human ACE2. They reported (emphasis added): This finding was surprising as a zoonotic virus typically exhibits the highest affinity initially for its original host species, with lower initial affinity to receptors of new host species until it adapts. As the virus adapts to its new host, mutations are acquired that increase the binding affinity for the new host receptor. Since our binding calculations were based on SARS-CoV-2 samples isolated in China from December 2019, at the very onset of the outbreak, the extremely high affinity of S protein for human ACE2 was unexpected

    I would think that Dr. Anderson would reconsider that this virus jumped from the wild unaltered as it’s highest affinity is to human ACE 2.

    I would say the evidence for lab leak is more like six six six and should be scrutinized six ways to Sunday. If it wasn’t from the lab and the perpetrators were selecting a few countries to punish yet another group got on board to make it go world wide then it’s bye-bye planet earth.

    Stupid + Power= Absolute Stupidity

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  423. @Ron Unz

    Thank you for a personalized reply!

    My ZH membership doesn’t allow searches earlier than 18 months back so I can’t confirm what their earliest article was. My google skills are basic at best so not much there either.

    By January 2020, the news of the virus was in the international press. ZeroHedge, or indeed, any fringe site, could have speculated that the virus originated at the Wuhan lab. No inside knowledge or leaked intel, real or disinformation, required. I wish I had the skills to search the archives to find just what the early “lab release” reports were, but I lack them. Anybody have a Lexis/Nexis or other archive access?

    I will concede that when the “Five Eyes” story broke around April 30, that was a “leak” of intel. Was it planted? The false-flag hypothesis is surely possible, but it still overly complicates things (Occam’s Razor principle). If enemy agents did want to release a virus, they couldn’t have picked a better cover for their op, I will grant them that!

    Very early in the pandemic, I concluded that one of the strongest proofs of the Wuhan lab being the focal point was simply the Chinese extremely odd behavior. I and many others have mentioned that many times: they way they acted and still act show they have something to hide. The various FOIA emails show that NIH appeared to have some things to hide too.

    Yes I am lazy, but I’m intrigued enough to re-read your article(s) and see if I can grasp your arguments, even if I am not convinced.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  424. geokat62 says:

    Is the Tide Finally Starting to Turn on Covid…

    Oh, it’s turning alright… kaboom!

    • Thanks: Robjil
  425. @Avianthro

    The old children’s bedtime story is relevant here:

    All the mice were in agreement that the cat should have a bell.

    The problem to be solved was: who would bell the cat?

  426. Cking says:

    What’s with the Whistleblower? Is the Establishment Administration punishing Facebook for anti-vaxx postings?

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  427. Ron Unz says:
    @Turk 152

    You should add Turkish – they are over western hegemony and have very little freedom of the press. 13th most common language in the world and many of your discussions are directly relevant to the wold they live in.

    Sure, no problem, I just went ahead and added Turkish as well as Vietnamese. Fortunately, my software module is very easy to modify in that way.

    Let me know whether the Turkish translation is reasonably adequate.

  428. @Rabbitnexus

    Je Suis Omar Mateen are you an idiot? It is not trolling to point out a fact you dopey prick.

  429. Ron Unz says:
    @Ben the Layabout

    My ZH membership doesn’t allow searches earlier than 18 months back so I can’t confirm what their earliest article was. My google skills are basic at best so not much there either.

    By January 2020, the news of the virus was in the international press. ZeroHedge, or indeed, any fringe site, could have speculated that the virus originated at the Wuhan lab.

    I’ve never looked at ZeroHedge, but earlier this year The Atlantic Council produced a massive 54-page report on all the Internet “conspiracy theories” regarding Covid and its origins, including those on ZH. I discussed the implications at considerable length in some of my articles, including this one:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#p_1_41

    It’s also how I discovered that the Iranian government had explicitly accused America of launching a biowarfare attack against it, with its former President filing a complaint with the UN. But the Western MSM totally ignored the story and Youtube banned Iran’s channel, so almost no one in the West heard about it:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#the-long-forgotten-early-iranian-outbreak

  430. @IreneAthena

    I’m watching the treatment protocols being developed, as I hope to see my ex wife, her husband and the two of my kids who took the shots wake up and hopefully they can be helped. I do not have much confidence though. There are too many problems with these shots. The best experts in the field are convinced most vaxxed will die. I guess most who don’t die will be fully trans-human which isn’t better. I’m pretty much over trying to inform the uninformed. Not even Ron here matters much. I like him and his site but he’s wrong. Drastically so and this is simply not a thing you want to get wrong. I figure it is too late to turn people who still cling to any faith in the authority which has risen to the top. The bullshit under which they labor is too thick to cut through. All their ‘rhetorical questions’ are based on assumptions of other lies being true. Though their challenges are not rhetorical as they assume, and the answers destroy the paradigms they hold onto, they will not follow the facts or data for any distance. That’s a doomed soul to me when we have but months or a year or two left before they’re going to be dead or unable to think independently anymore. To me I am surrounded by dead people. I’m sadly preparing for their deaths and the hysteria which the remainder of them will turn to once the other shoe drops. They will be dying off after having given the rest of us a gargantuan problem to solve. The scum they enabled to come to power/

    • Thanks: Truth Vigilante, John Wear
    • Replies: @IreneAthena
  431. @Colin Wright

    Your logic fails really. The Chinese have been through several pandemics, they have stated they know it is biowarfare what is more. They’ve been targeted with one after another. They did indeed fear worse. However no doubt they were forewarned of this and I suspect it was meant to be more deadly. As seems to happen every time, their lab made viruses quickly lose potency. The Chinese had their pork industry, poultry industry destroyed/. Interestingly their third major protein source fish farming is centered in Wuhan. There are 70% of the world’s fish farms. Of course they were prepared.

    As for knowing this was coming, all our governments did. They have all been proved to have been buying “Covid Test Kits” (which are useless) as early as 2017! Never mind the thing wasn’t named until 2020, the fact is the bank records prove this. Including my Australia. We bought millions of them before. Gates and co were running a simulation of exactly such a pandemic along with the exact actions that were eventually instituted. They were doing this as this very plandemic started!

    I have repeatedly posted links to a presentation which absolutely proves who did this, how they did it and which labs were involved. There was an Aussie lab which did more than Wuhan actually.

    It is strange and concerning that not only many of you but Ron Unz himself is studiously avoiding even acknowledging this information. I posted directly to him and no reply. Very strange. So why are we debating things which have now been answered?

  432. @Ron Unz

    Every single one of these responses to your initial dismissive response to my original post is a valid, un-refuted argument. None of them say the death spike is a coincidence, which is what you say they say, but they do not say what you say they say.

    I’ve put them all in a bunch so you can read them all at once and refute each one at your leisure.

    “Yes, but an extraordinarily large proportion of those deaths — far more than is the case with most flus — were people who really were on the verge. The typical Corona Virus fatality always seemed to be a eighty four year old woman with pre-existing conditions.”

    This one is particularly telling:

    “Most of the excess deaths are from not treating other diseases. Many surgeries and therapies that would have saved lives have been postponed or cancelled by hospitals and doctors because of the situation. Mortality from cardiovascular diseases was up 20% last year, and from cancer even more than that. Homicide, suicide and death from drug overdose is also on the rise. Since autopsies were not conducted, many deaths ascribed to COVID could have been in fact from something else. I acknowledge the existence of a dangerous virus, but the mortality rate of respiratory illnesses is just slightly higher than in the previous years.” . . .

    “As to many of the more recent excess deaths, many of those may very well be attributable to the vaxxes, e.g. heart attack, stroke, pulmonary embolism, etc. triggered by spike protein. What’s more dubious is that many vaxx-related deaths and injuries are attributed to COVID itself.” . . .

    Here’s a good one:

    “Even the official numbers state that there were excess suicides, deaths from heart disease, etc. Different sites give different numbers, but one as I recall gave about 375k for Covid deaths and 130k for all other excess deaths, in the USA in 2020.” . . .
    It would not require a hiding of 500k to falsify the claim that ‘most died of Covid’; merely a re-classification of 125k would do, if the numbers I gave above reflect an accurate total of excess deaths.” . . .
    “What is your estimate on the number who died from the ventilator and remdesivir? I have seen testimonies from many nurses and doctors claiming that this treatment, mandated in most American hospitals, is the proximate cause of death for the majority.” . . .

    “You failed to adjust for the rise in population of the elderly due to the Baby Boom generation, plus the increase of those using authorized medical prescriptions that suppressed immune systems, plus those using illegal drugs . . .
    My own analysis comes to a very different conclusion that there were no real excess deaths and were statistical deaths. Wearing a mask dehydrates the human body. Same with lockdowns in air conditioned buildings, especially nursing homes.
    Greater percentage of vulnerable in population plus masks and lockdowns are a Rx for deaths.” . . .

    • Agree: Truth Vigilante
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  433. @Wizard of Oz

    He’s a paid ChiCom troll. relax, and ignore him.

  434. @mulga mumblebrain

    lol. Paid ChiCom troll says what?

  435. Ron Unz says:
    @Lysias

    Your view that covid started being planned in 2009 is supported by the 2011 Hollywood movie “Contagion,” planning for which began in 2009, and everything about which supports the views that the government wants us to have about covid.

    I’ve never seen Contagion, but I’m very skeptical that it had anything at all to do with the current Covid outbreak that began eight years later.

    People have been writing fiction or making movies about deadly worldwide epidemics for a very long time. For example, Jack London published The Scarlet Plague in 1912, and Science Fiction of the 1940s and 1950s was filled with such stories. 12 Monkeys came out in 1995, and I think it was much more successful than Contagion.

    Anyway, the SARS-1 epidemic in China had given the world a big scare a few years earlier, and that easily explains the roots of the film.

  436. @Chris Moore

    I appreciate the response. But you didn’t address my point.

    What is puzzling, is that since 1945, these agencies do nothing that doesn’t simultaneously benefit Israel and the Jewish diaspora (USS Liberty, 9/11 etc.). In this case, the Jews seem to be voraciously taking the vaccine, despite it appearing to be quite dangerous.

    How would the virus, along with whatever actual threat to life it represents, and the vaccine dangers benefit Israel or the diaspora? Both are subject to the virus threat and the vaccine threat. While Larry Silverstein, Jerry Nadler or Chuck Schumer may get a phony Covid vaccine and “passport”, millions of other Jews will not.

    If you want to recognize Jewish control of various awful world events, and there’s evidence a plenty of that, one would have to explain how this particular scenario benefits anyone other than the slimmest, tiny fragment of that population.

    It’s an honest question.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Chris Moore
  437. Ron Unz says:
    @obwandiyag

    Every single one of these responses to your initial dismissive response to my original post is a valid, un-refuted argument. None of them say the death spike is a coincidence, which is what you say they say, but they do not say what you say they say.

    I’ve put them all in a bunch so you can read them all at once and refute each one at your leisure.

    I’m sorry but I’ve been arguing with Flu Hoaxers (or “Flu Minimizers”) since early 2020, and at this point I regard it as a total waste of time. I don’t bother arguing with Flat Earthers for the same reason.

    Thanks for putting together that nice compendium of those supposedly incisive rebuttals to my point about America’s extra 500,000 deaths in 2020. But upthread a very sharp commenter called “Herd Stupidity” highlighted the much more obvious evidence of the fatality statistics from NYC:

    I’ve been able to convince doubters by narrowing the view to specific outbreak areas. NYC is instructive:

    Weeks 5-25 2015-2019 avg = 21.8K total deaths

    Weeks 5-25 2020: 49.1K total deaths

    Most of the above NYC excess deaths occurred in a 7-9 week period which disproves the suicide and overdose arguments, imho.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/#comment-4940089

    So deaths in NYC increased by 125%(!) over the normal numbers, with most of the extra deaths coming in a two month period. The extra 27,000 deaths weren’t homicide, they weren’t suicide, they weren’t delayed cancer treatments or drug overdoses. They were obviously Covid.

  438. Isn’t 15 million out of 8 billion or so verging pretty close to the margin of error?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  439. Ron Unz says:
    @Just another serf

    What is puzzling, is that since 1945, these agencies do nothing that doesn’t simultaneously benefit Israel and the Jewish diaspora (USS Liberty, 9/11 etc.). In this case, the Jews seem to be voraciously taking the vaccine, despite it appearing to be quite dangerous.

    Well, uh, shouldn’t it make all the crazy anti-vaxxers start to wonder whether they might be…wrong?

    Here’s a closely related comment of mine from a few weeks ago:

    According to the newspapers this morning, Goldman Sachs has now required all its employees to get vaxxed before they’re allowing to work in the office, a requirement that presumably will include all their upper-ranking executives. I’d expect this sort of policy will soon be followed by almost every other major Wall Street firm.

    So apparently the diabolical plot by our ruling elites to exterminate themselves is now moving forward at a good pace. People won’t be able to keep complaining about Wall Street once almost all the Wall Streeters have vaxxed themselves to death.

    If only our top financial executives had been shrewd enough to take their personal health tips from random eccentrics ranting on home-made videos rather than paying top-dollar for the private services of their ultra-elite personal physicians, they would have managed to avoid this grim fate.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/?showcomments#comment-4910323

  440. @Ron Unz

    A. What is the statistical equivalent for the device “litotes”, where one little thing stands for all? Why not compare that one week in New York’s history to each and every week in New York’s history, since records have been kept, one comparison at a time? One intuits that there are other 125% weeks. Or 125% half years. But I don’t know, maybe not. On the other hand,

    B. The most corrupt city on the face of the earth could never possibly fudge numbers.

    C. I bet all of them were ventilated.

  441. Ron Unz says:
    @obwandiyag

    Isn’t 15 million out of 8 billion or so verging pretty close to the margin of error?

    Look, the MSM claims that for Americans or Europeans Covid has an average fatality rate of something like 0.5% to 1.0%. But it’s very sharply skewed by age, and also to some extent by weight.

    Most of the global population is much, much younger and also much thinner than Americans or Europeans. So maybe worldwide, the average death rate might be more like 0.4%.

    Therefore, according to the official MSM narrative, if everyone in the world got Covid, maybe 32 million people would die. But China stamped out it and obviously not everyone in the world has gotten Covid. So 15 million Covid deaths seems pretty consistent with the MSM claims, which is why I tend to accept the MSM on this issue.

    Obviously, whether 15 million deaths is a big number or a small number is entirely a matter of personal opinion. Probably around a million Americans have now died from Covid, and if the government had just totally ignored the problem, I doubt whether more than 5 million would died, which would have still left 325 million Americans. So what’s the big deal about 5 million American deaths?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  442. anaccount says:

    Dear Ron,

    Have you ever considered the possibilty that blowback from this bioweapon attack was planned? Who is benefiting from our ‘new normal’? If this were some some rogue operation then those who planned it didn’t know the first thing about biowarfare. That seems unlikely.

  443. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @Just another serf

    Jews seem to be voraciously taking the vaccine, despite it appearing to be quite dangerous.

    It’s a tough one, but I attempted to explain that here:
    https://www.unz.com/runz/is-the-tide-finally-turning-on-covid-as-an-american-biowarfare-attack/#comment-4938104

    One needs to understand ((Jewish)) herd psychology and acquiescence to rabbinical/kosher state authority, in combination with ((Jewish)) greed, in combination with ((Jewish)) magical thinking, in combination with ((Jewish)) self-deception as survival instinct.

  444. @Rabbitnexus

    Please post here what you say you have previously posted (e.g. to Ron Unz directly) And has been ignored.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
    , @Rabbitnexus
  445. @Herd Stupidity

    ‘Stupidity’ wrote:

    Most of the above NYC excess deaths occurred in a 7-9 week period which disproves the suicide and overdose arguments, imho. Further, NYC had a harsh lockdown for much of that time.

    Every year tubercolosis (TB) kills around 1.5 million worldwide, give or take. The symptoms of TB are more or less identical to late stage Covid.

    [MORE]

    I recall reading articles last year stating there were around 660,000 undocumented illegal immigrants in the New York/New Jersey area in the lead up to the start of the Covid psyop.

    These illegals were overwhelmingly from Central and Sth America and a huge number of them had LATENT TB.
    As mild as Covid is, demonstrably shown to be no worse than seasonal flu, one of its attributes may be that it can reverse this latency in TB and bring on full blown tuberculosis.

    So, to the extent that there were some excess deaths in the U.S in 2020, a good many of these illegals in the NY/NJ area (not to mention those in other states like California and Texas), were likely deaths due to TB relabelled as Covid.

    Throw in those deaths due to medical malpractice (use of ventilators, DNR’s etc), lack of early treatment and outright euthanasia (elderly in nursing homes administered Midazolam etc, not to mention deaths that would normally be classified as flu/pneumonia deaths but are now classified as caused by Covid), and you have an explanation for excess deaths.

    • Agree: acementhead
  446. Metropole says:

    I’m a conspiracy theory fan, and my inclination is towards believing that Covid-19 is manmade and was spread deliberately. For a conspiracy theory to be believable it needs to provide a very good reason to have been perpetuated. For Covid-19 the explanation is that China and Iran were the targets, and the West suffered an unexpected blowback. That would also explain the panic in hurriedly creating untested vaccines and forcing people to take it.

    On the other hand, there are those who say that forcing people to take the vaccine is the real conspiracy. But they haven’t explained satisfactorily why this is so. What benefit are the conspirators getting from the vaccines? If big pharma is making profits, it was at a 100x cost to the economy. There could have been less expensive ways to boost profits.

    The explanation that it is a depopulation agenda also does not stand up to scrutiny. Lets say it was “ZOG.” Why would they kill off the populations of North America and Europe, when it’s these very countries that create the wealth that allows elites to live well, and also provide protection to the Promised Land. If the vaccinated sheep die off then the unvaccinated rebels would be left alive, who would turn around and extirpate the elites in revenge.

    Also left alive will be the low productivity, unvaccinated populations of the world who can’t create the fabulous wealth that the elites are used to.

    What may be more plausible is that, if there is a depopulation agenda, then it is the unvaccinated who will die from a second pandemic. The unvaccinated are the real enemies of the elites.

    It would help all of us if the anti-vaxxers explain why the vaccines are the real conspiracy.

  447. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Rabbitnexus

    The sense that one is “surrounded by dead people” can be very depressing. The process of grieving for loved ones yet alive, but likely past the PNR, has already begun. On the bright side, CorbettReport.com frequently posts about IRL solidarity groups forming around the world to resist vax mandates, establish mandate-free trading relationships and point folks to mandate-free workplaces. He also addresses the usual precautions one takes vis-a-vis infiltration of such groups.

    I don’t even get angry anymore when we of “the C19 shot control group” are called “crazy anti-vaxxers” by intelligent people like our esteemed host. I realize they, too, are under tremendous psychological pressure and experiencing gaslighting, too.

    If they had only to roll up for ONE C19 shot, they could say, well, I’ve made my decision and done my duty. There’s no point in engaging in arguments anymore. Alas, no, as the goalposts associated with officially “fully vaccinated” status are moved, from one shot, to two shots, to 2 shots plus booster—and beyond?—the C19-vaccinated are continually having to re-affirm their position against external voices, and maybe an internal voice that is gradually asserting itself? Hence the uncharacteristically stubborn and emotional response.

  448. @Ron Unz

    This is a good and conservative breakdown of the deaths. It is worth the read. It puts the alleged mortality into perspective.

    [MORE]
    We should also not underestimate the effect the banning by health departments/governments of very effective treatments such as quinine and Ivermectin for COVID affected patients from the outset and of applying deadly treatments like ventilators and Remdesivir which are known to have increased mortality not reduced it. These treatments are now being applied widely and the results are drastically reduced mortality to the point where nobody was dying from COVID pretty much. The death rate had been reduced to almost nil, as graphs like these show. That is until the vaccinations began. Then the death rates have skyrocketed from COVID supposedly but also from many other causes. All these are credibly attributed to the jabs.

    https://peckford42.wordpress.com/2021/03/09/covid-is-not-a-hoax-but-the-numbers-are-a-look-at-the-first-flu-season-with-covid/

    Unless one takes many other factors into account, the excess deaths is very hard to measure. Experts in the field have stated there are no excess deaths when all adjustments are made. This has been so everywhere too.

    This article made me laugh when it came out. It has three graphs which together destroy the COVID and Vax narrative. Repeats of the article seemed to have caught on, maybe because I was sharing it far and wide with the heads up to compare the timelines, because these three graphs weren’t included but an ambiguous amalgamation of them or nothing. Look at the timeline and see if you can miss the disturbing connection. The exact same pattern occurred everywhere in the world. The original virus existed, I caught it and it was as described and by no means mistaken for flu. It doesn’t exist anymore in anything like its original form. It has left the building. It is notable how the symptoms of COVID seem to have morphed from respiratory to cardio and neural. Nah. Corona-viruses do respiratory. Their weaponised spike protein on its own does the rest.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9427769/Average-daily-Covid-deaths-fall-1-000-time-nearly-five-MONTHS.html

    What we do know for certain now is that deaths have been massively over-counted due to new protocols which lead almost any death to be recorded as COVID and huge amounts of money in effective bribes is helping it along. Have a listen to this gentleman who has put his life on the line to inform us.


    Since it is so relevant, I cannot understand why you don’t respond to or acknowledge the information presented by Dr David Martin. I have been trying to get this information before you for some time. Why Ron? You will find it very interesting and it is hard data. It is furthermore relevant to the thread, since it refers to the provenance of the thing. You have been largely correct in pinpointing the source, but not in the way you thought is all. It isn’t the USA, but the billionaires who pull the USA strings.

  449. @Wizard of Oz

    [This is NOT an anti-vaxx/Flu Hoax thread. All your other comments will get trashed.]

    It is in earlier comments too. https://catherineedwards.life/aiovg_videos/a-manufactured-illusion-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich-9-7-21/

    I’ve put it below clearly outlined. Maybe he hasn’t noticed before. There’s a lot of comments to go through.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  450. @Ron Unz

    I think you are being inconsistent because, according to your usual style of reasoning you would count as evidence that Danielle Anderson’s interview might not be enough, the substantial evidence that the Chinese authorities have hindered investigations.

    Also, even if Anderson wasn’t principally saying what it was in her self interest to say, a serious investigator would have explored her knowledge of the huge WIV complex and what went on in its various sections. If she didn’t speak Chinese her friendly gossip circle might have been quite restricted.

    I have also listtened to the interview(s) with four scientists that Bottel posted as a Twitter link on the Fred Reed thread and I suggest that it should make any layman expressing confident views about the origins of Covid 19. Have you listened to it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  451. @durd

    As the proprietor of Peak Stupidity, I am familiar with your formula, Durd.

    I’ve put it this way:

    Stupid + Power = Evil

    • Replies: @The_MasterWang
  452. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have also listtened to the interview(s) with four scientists that Bottel posted as a Twitter link…and I suggest that it should make any layman expressing confident views about the origins of Covid 19. Have you listened to it?

    Actually, I’ve been meaning to listen to it and will probably do so tomorrow. As I’ve emphasized, videos tend to be extremely inefficient means of providing information, mostly aimed at stupid people. But discussions are often an important exception to that rule.

    However, here’s a simple question for you and others of your ilk to consider…

    I think I’ve provided overwhelming evidence that Covid was an American biowarfare attack, but you clearly disagree and believe that the lab-leak hypothesis is stronger. Okay.

    But have you ever asked yourself why not a single Western public figure or journalist anywhere has ever even raised the possibility of Covid being an American biowarfare attack? Or mentioned any elements of the voluminous evidence I’ve cited, all of which is from MSM outlets or highly-credible public sources?

    The obvious reason is that anyone who did so would immediately be purged, and his career totally destroyed, possibly even being banned from social media. Consider that this website had been publishing ultra-controversial material for many years, but a week or two after I published my first Covid article, we were banned from both Facebook and Google, the two most powerful gatekeepers to the Internet.

    Reasonably prominent individuals I know have explicitly told me that they’re fearful of even mentioning my ideas lest they be immediately purged. Some of them have even told me they think my analysis is probably correct, but what can they do?

    Surely those scientists debating Natural Virus vs. Lab-Leak are intelligent enough to know that if they even hinted at the obvious third possibility—an American biowarfare attack—they would immediately be destroyed.

    Suppose Stalin’s leading scientists had a “debate” on whether Communism worked? What sort of a debate would it be?

    Here’s a small project for you. Go through both the mainstream and alternative media and look for articles on the possible origins of Covid. You’ll probably find 60,000 articles supporting a natural virus and maybe 40,000 articles suggesting a Chinese lab virus. But except for my own writings, I doubt you’ll find more than 4 or 5 arguing that it was a deliberate American biowarfare attack.

    I’d say there’s a 70% chance I’m correct and you disagree. But I think you’d have to admit that the likelihood of my hypothesis is far greater than 0.004%.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anon62
  453. @Cking

    What’s with the Whistleblower? Is the Establishment Administration punishing Facebook for anti-vaxx postings?

    Here’s the answer to your question:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/greenwald-democrats-media-do-not-want-weaken-facebook-just-commandeer-its-power-censor

  454. @Rabbitnexus

    As for knowing this was coming, all our governments did. They have all been proved to have been buying “Covid Test Kits” (which are useless) as early as 2017! Never mind the thing wasn’t named until 2020, the fact is the bank records prove this.

    This claim has been pretty well refuted, and it was a claim that appeared to have been made quite uncritically. See these two comments of mine:

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/#comment-4911430
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/#comment-4913192

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  455. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Blame” is a loaded word, as is “deserve”…Let me relate this to my previous comment now: I use the phrase “Kung Flu”, and one I wish I’d started with, “The Flu Manchu” because they’re funny, and, yeah, the disease came here from China… Basically, I don’t see wanting to stir up hatred of the Chinese as any serous motive to attribute to any plan to spread the virus around. Maybe there are plenty of others, but, just sayin’

    Look, you’re just a rightwing dimwit who rants away on my website and almost never has anything substantive to say. The reason you spend so much time here and have left over 18,000 comments is presumably because so few people ever visit your own website, despite the fact that you’re endlessly shilling it in your comments on this one.

    Considering that it’s actually pretty likely that Covid was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran), the fact that you go around calling it “Kung Flu” or “Flu Manchu” is just a reflection of your stupidity and ignorance, which you’ve repeatedly demonstrated in your previous 18,000 comments, including those on this thread.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  456. d dan says:
    @Ron Unz

    “If you choose Chinese, let me know how well the text reads.”

    The translation is generally correct but dried and harder to read, because the sentences are long and phrases are unnaturally pieced together. I found several problems about this article:

    1. The title is translated as: 潮汐终于开始将 Covid 作为美国的生物战攻击吗?
    This means “Is the tide finally started to use/treat Covid as US bio-war attack?” This is of course nonsense because “tide” here literally mean ocean tide, and “turn” and “on” have been translated to single Chinese verb “use” or “treat”.

    2. This phrase “Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition,…” is translated into “除非我们的情报机构率先采用了预知技术”, which sounds like you are seriously suggesting they have some predictive tool, and may start to use it.

    3. This phrase “their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies” is translated to 他们对伊朗敌人的仇恨现在像苍蝇一样落下. This means that the hatred is dropping, not the enemy is dying.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  457. d dan says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Dr. Shi had made in her interview, people have pointed out that her English may not be very good, and it’s easy to see how her statements regarding the timing of the BSL-2 and BSL-4 work might have gotten a little garbled. ”

    The translation is indeed garbled, not because her English is bad, but because Western media purposely distorted what she said.

    I listened to her Chinese interview many months ago. What she said was that most of her research works were very low risks, and according to the rules, they were required to be performed ONLY in BSL-2 lab. Very few needed to be done in BSL-4. Those statements had been distorted to imply that she actually violated the safety rules to perform BSL-4 works within BSL-2 lab.

    The Western media and anti-China commenters are really stupid and ignorant to the point of hilarious. I figure if Dr. Shi would to say “kill two birds with one stone”, they would start accusing Dr. Shi of animal cruelty too.

    “Anderson’s personal eyewitness evidence comes from exactly the period that the alleged lab-leak might have occurred, and is therefore far more persuasive.”

    Anderson’s interview was quite telling too. Interviewer kept insert “if this…”, “if that…” to lurk her to confirm it is POSSIBLE to have a lab leak. Of course, “IF there is a safety violation”, it is possible there is a lab leak. What else should Anderson answer?

    Both Shi and Anderson are serious researchers and apolitical. They are the type of persons that fake new makers like to prey on.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  458. @Rufus Arrr

    agree there has been an undeclared war ongoing for nearly ten years. please, tell more…the chinese embassy, the russian choir, sochi, solemani. what is your take of the putin biden summit, afghanistan withdrawal, iran’s inclusion in sco, erdogan & putin chatting?

  459. W says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Jesus you people…

    That obviously wasn’t supposed to mean give them power and keep them in power when they work against your country.

    God Trump supporters are such [email protected]

  460. Dumbo says:
    @Ron Unz

    if the government had just totally ignored the problem, I doubt whether more than 5 million would died,

    This is one of those cases in which, if the “government had just totally ignored the problem”, there would probably have been less deaths, not more. Most of the “pandemic” policies were counter-productive, and still are. I haven’t seen any evidence that “lockdowns” and other measures helped contain anything, but instead caused lots of problems by themselves.

    Unz, like a lot of people these days, seems to believe that diseases affect everyone the same way, or can be equally transmitted to everyone, and that the only solution are vaccines. But that is clearly not true. Otherwise, humans would have been extinct long ago.

    P.S. I mean, look at Sweden. They did less of a lockdown, and had less “excess deaths” than most other European countries.

  461. Bumpkin says:
    @Chris Moore

    What’s worse for the establishment is the truth, which is that the “rogue operatives” are the establishment.

    No, that is not the truth: there are those who don’t want these rogue actions, but they are often railroaded into it or forced to help cover it up. Anyway, that has nothing to do with my question about the severity of Covid and the appropriate response to it.

    We’re well past the point of building “cases” and now into polemics, which is towards the final stages before revolution.

    Call it what you want, your inaccuracies will be used against you by your enemies.

    Even if Unz rationally nails the case, do you think there’s a judge in land who will give it a hearing?

    Nobody’s talking about “court cases,” I’m talking about the case Ron is building for public consumption, hence my stating that “he will persuade less people” by making mistakes like these above.

    It is tempting for Ron to jump on the current “Covid-killer” mania and try to corral it against the Neocons, who probably did stupidly release it on China, but when it is eventually shown to be not as dangerous as he claimed, he is going to look foolish like the MSM (of course not as bad as them, but it will similarly undermine his other, more solid claims).

  462. @Ron Unz

    You wrote:

    So deaths in NYC increased by 125%(!) over the normal numbers, with most of the extra deaths coming in a two month period. The extra 27,000 deaths weren’t homicide, they weren’t suicide, they weren’t delayed cancer treatments or drug overdoses.

    They were obviously Covid.

    Well …… NO ….. actually.

    (Some of them were homicide, some were suicide, some were due to delayed cancer screenings/treatment, some were due to overdoses. some were due to seasonal flu/pneumonia which magically disappeared these last two years, even though it really didn’t – it was just reclassified as Covid).
    All of these other factors COLLECTIVELY may well account for the bulk of the excess deaths.

    (Assuming this collective does not account for all the excess deaths, the shortfall may well lie here – refer to my comment # 457 for an alternate contributing factor).

    One can never say any death is ‘obviously’ anything (absent an autopsy), since any ‘Cause of Death’ claimed on a U.S death certificate in these last 2 years has to be viewed with an enormous dollop of scepticism.

    After all, there is no precedent in history that encourages this level of chicanery in light of the financial incentives offered to hospitals (Re: classification as a Covid patient) and families (Re: classification as a Covid death).

    In relation to the latter, we have this: (Run the words ‘Covid Funeral reimbursement \$9000’ through a search engine that isn’t Google and see for yourself).

  463. @Ron Unz

    You somewhat misconceived my approach, no doubt because I have not been sufficiently explicit and consistent.

    I have never been very interested in the origins of the pandemic except to the extent that it might enable it to be handled better and
    the experience not repeated in more pandemics. But your theory raised an issue of importance – the only issue to engage my serious attention. Did the US, de facto and most likely de jure commit an act of war against China?

    So it is not true that I have come down on the side of lab leak – or natural origin or commercial enterprise by chancers for that matter. I am totally agnostic. I have simply tested your arguments with particular reference to alternative explanations of (alleged and supposed) facts that you usually won’t entertain, and I find them wanting. However you perform a service in keeping such important possibilities in public view IMO.

    I do not accept your explanation for your near uniqueness. I an sorry I have not got round to getting Prof Peter Doherty to comment on your theory but he is just one of dozens of people like tenured and emeritus professors, that I can think of as quite unafraid to mention you and your theory at the very least by pointing out that the explanation of origins, for completeness, needs to know exactly what was going on in purely American labs in case the trail starts, or travels through there.

    Indeed, even on your assumptions, there would have to be someone unafraid to argue that Ron Unz’s pernicious nonsense needs to be knocked on the head conclusively, before US enemies take it up, and, to that end the avenues of uncensored investigation need to include A, B and C.

    Also, I doubt that your theory led to the Facebook and Google actions in the way you suppose. I would be more inclined to credit the ADL, with an eye always on you, shouting Gotcha and getting on the phone to their friends at Google and Facebook. (“Now you can see he’s not just a host for anti-Semitic poison, he’s threatening the health, and maybe even the security, of the nation with his irresponsible grandstanding”).

    *** *** ***
    For some reason, despite wasting a lot of time, I haven’t been able to rekink to that video conference that I described as a Tweet link by “Bottel” . Fortunately you know what I am referring to and I would be grateful if you could post a good link.

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  464. Sean says:

    Who benefits? Covid being a (totally counterproductive) American biowarfare attack against China is less likely that it being a successful bioweapon attack against Trump, his supporters and the prospect of him being re-elected. We know General Milley went outside the chain of command and undertook to give advance warning about any military action against China. We KNOW the very top of US Deep State (implicitly supported by political and financial elites) were secretly in cahoots with China to ensure China could not be defeated in hostilities. Milley remains in his position, so the powers that be approve of what he did.

  465. Aclexa says:

    SSSS Slowly but surely, the scenario predicted by the Fatima prophecy of 1917 is unfolding before our very eyes. I myself never imagined that the “errors of Russia” would spread to the United States under the guise of “political correctness”, but it’s happened. The neo-Bolsheviks have even succeeded in hijacking the American presidency!

    [MORE]

    Only this prayer will bring lasting peace:

    “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Father, send now Your Spirit over the earth.

    Let the Holy Spirit live in the hearts of all nations, that they may be preserved from degeneration, disaster and war.

    May the Lady of All Nations, who once was Mary, be our Advocate.

    Amen.”

    FYI: exactly ten years before communism came to an end in Eastern Europe in 1989, Pope John-Paul II made the following invocation during an outdoor Mass in Warsaw (June 2nd 1979):

    “And I cry — I who am a Son of the land of Poland and who am also Pope John Paul II — I cry from all the depths of this Millennium, I cry on the vigil of Pentecost:

    Let your Spirit descend.
    Let your Spirit descend,
    and renew the face of the earth,
    the face of this land.

  466. @Ron Unz

    I get my share of visitors.

    See, now that was just vitriol and no real reply either, to the question of how stirring up hatred of the Chinese would be any kind of serious motive for your theory. Killing them with the virus? Yeah, that didn’t work so well, and wouldn’t have been any good plan to begin with. (Oh, they are all evil, but very very stupid? Is that your theory?)

    Your reply to me before, though very civil for a change, did nothing to defend your assertions that the virus couldn’t have simply come into the population via lax procedures at the lab, as common sense would tell anyone. My excerpts also showed that your reply to me above that one was erroneous.

    I see nothing wrong with your going down this rabbit hole anyway. It’s your site. However, my main point in writing on this thread (tried 3 times or so) was to point out that the real BIG STORY that this is distracting you from is the use of this PanicFest ginned up for nothing but a somewhat deadlier-than-normal virus out of the Orient (again) to introduce further Totalitarianism. Was the use of 9/11 in that way not a big story? Well, this is going further. However I’m glad to see a little more pushback from Americans this time around – I think they are trying to go too far too fast with it.

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  467. @Achmed E. Newman

    Agree. Ron’s holding out this Danielle Anderson as a character witness for the impregnable WIV remains unconvincing. I am reading his part articles on what I’d call the Rogue Op Hypothesis, as he suggested.

    Ron is a curious intellectual. Clearly, he’s extremely intelligent, widely read and writes incisively on many topics. Even though many things can’t be easily proved (e.g. Who killed JFK?), he cites often-buried history. Many of his articles are, if you will, in-depth book reports on books that have been banned from Amazon, if they were ever allowed to be sold in the English-speaking world at all.

    But he flubs it once in a while. He’s been caught in an error on many topics re the Pandemic. For example, his insistence on the official American death toll, currently given as 708,000 [Google]. I, and many other commenters, have pointed out the numerous flaws in these and all related figures. For now, allow me to mention what I think are the two biggest reasons to doubt that figure: (1) the laughable unreliable RT-PCR test and (2) the clear financial incentives for hospitals (providers) to label anything that walks in the door or is wheeled into the hearse a “Covid-19” “case”, illness, death. Did old Mrs. Avery in hospice finally die of pneumonia? No problem, crank up the cycle rate on the test until you get a positive, and code it “Covid”!

    Ron often comments on the risk of disinformation and it’s entirely valid and should be expected. The entire media-sphere is a cesspool. Some truths, a lot of half-truths, but a lot of lies. Clearly different factions have motive to spin the narrative to suit them. This may be as sophisticated as a fake intel report that is “leaked” to the press, to paid shills on the internet like we often accuse each other of being, or (and I suspect the largest group) ordinary Joes like you and me who simply read and respond for the intellectual stimulation.

    A point: we all tend to have our favourite points of view which we uphold and argue for; we tend to resist contrary views . But if we’re really here to learn, we should update our beliefs. Having said that, we should also treat any claim with skepticism and demand a certain level of proof. The latter is often notably absent.

    I continue to laud Ron for his rich web site and for hosting a nest of vipers that are his readers. Even so, it remains evident that