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The current media hurricane unleashed by the Russia-Ukraine war has naturally brushed aside other news stories, some of which might otherwise have been of the greatest importance.

As an example of this, a couple of days ago the New York Times ran a major article reporting the scientific discovery of time-travel, or perhaps precognition, but the story received almost no attention. Admittedly, this lack of resulting coverage was partly due to the rather confusing presentation, which also excluded certain vital facts and actually buried its lede.

As reported by the Times journalists, two new studies on the origins of the Covid outbreak in Wuhan by teams of top researchers have been released, substantially changing our understanding of those early events.

Based upon genetic mutational evidence and epidemiological analysis, the researchers determined that the virus probably first infected humans “in late November or early December 2019,” several weeks later than had previously been believed, and that it very likely spread from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, an early suspect in the outbreak.

This article prompted me to read the actual papers, which to my non-specialist eyes seem based upon very solid and thorough analysis:

Unfortunately, the Times journalists had forgotten to mention certain other important facts regarding the original Covid outbreak in Wuhan, as originally established in 2020 by ABC News and later confirmed by Israeli television. I have previously discussed these at considerable length:

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

According to these multiply-sourced mainstream media accounts, by “the second week of November” our Defense Intelligence Agency was already preparing a secret report warning of a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan. Yet at that point, probably no more than a couple of dozen individuals had been infected in that city of 11 million, with few of those yet having any serious symptoms. The implications are rather obvious.

So it now appears that the secret DIA intelligence report produced in “the second week of November” described a “potentially cataclysmic” disease outbreak taking place in Wuhan before the first human had even been infected.

Time travel? Precognition? Or an American biowarfare attack? Pick one of three, and the Times journalists unaccountably failed to provide any guidance.

Over the last two years I have published a lengthy series of articles analyzing all these issues, which have been viewed more than 400,000 total times, and have also been collected together as a freely downloadable eBook.

Earlier this month, I also summarized my analysis in several video podcast interviews, which quickly racked up well over 100,000 views before all public focus shifted to the Russia-Ukraine war:

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At some point, people will begin returning to this issue, and the remarkable discovery of time-travel (or precognition) described in America’s national newspaper of record.

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  1. The Pentagon and CIA have funded parapsychological research beginning in the 1950s and ending, supposedly, with Project Often in the early 1980s. Earthbound, the only type of time travel possible is through the mind. Psychic or “Astral” travel.

  2. JohnWest says:

    Can’t seem to find the time travel (or precognition) article anywhere, can you link it?

  3. @JohnWest

    Mr. Unz is being cheeky. He is saying that someone must have discovered a talent either of time travel or of precognition, for United States government officials knew there would be an outbreak before the scientific studies’ claimed dates of first infection.

  4. Lysias says:

    I have not yet read Michael Masters’s book “Identified Flying Objects”, but I understand from a radio interview I heard of him that he believes UFOs are time machines in which humans from Earth in the future have traveled back to our time.

  5. Paging Jon Ronson! I smell a sequel. Working title: The Men Who Stare at Bats.

    • LOL: Exile
  6. The image of the NYT HQ, which accompanies this article, reminds me that the firm is a colonizer; its status as an advocate for the totally crappy, NYC public school system is legendary.

  7. gay troll says:

    Now if we could only buy Ron a functional calculator and a book of scientific ethics.

  8. Cowboy says:

    Time travel? Precognition? Or an American biowarfare attack? Pick one of three, and the Times journalists unaccountably failed to provide any guidance.

    Wow. These three choices seem outlandish but of the three perhaps the third is the least offensive. Seeing as Unz provides the least offensive of the three I conclude that his theory is correct.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  9. @Lysias

    This line of thinking was present even in 1950s, but promptly squashed, because, logically, it would mean our descendants can meet us, and brief us about what happened between our times and theirs. And then we may change our behaviour, which will lead to a different future, and they cannot come here then; that means we won’t learn about the consequences of our actions, which means we will amend our behaviour, which will result in the original future, which means…

    Yes, it leads to a conundrum.

    • Replies: @Right_On
    , @Prester John
  10. Right_On says:
    @Old Brown Fool

    We may change our behaviour, which will lead to a different future, and they cannot come here

    The many-worlds interpretation of Quantum Weirdness could help.

    Future humans visiting us in time machines would ‘simply’ be launching one more of the innumerable (actually, uncountably infinite) alternative worlds. Our new reality would indeed now not develop as it did in its previous, untouched history, but that original version is continuing unaltered in another ‘dimension’, which is where our visitors arrived from. In that case, time travel is actually a jump from one dimension to another. (But could our visitors from the future return to their original home or have they burnt their bridges?)

  11. Sad to say it, but I think it’s at long last time to retire the classic Mark Twain observation about the three-levels of lies. The New York Times’ “journalists” – whose traditions and history in the field of mendacity go back a very long time, probably well before even their famous colleague Walter Duranty, have now broken the glass ceiling set by the Man in White so long ago:

    The old order:

    1. Lies
    2. Damned Lies
    3. Statistics

    Congratulations to the New York Times, who’ve well exceeded Duranty’s level of sheer mendacity while simultaneously being quite unencumbered by the thought process. Truly a marvelous feat as the great Duranty had to apply some minimalist thought in his endeavors to bear false witness.

    The new order:

    1. Lies
    2. Damned Lies
    3. Statistics
    4. New York Times reporting

    Their high award in hell awaits and Satan himself hails their accomplishment. Twain assured us they will be in most interesting company as he was fairly certain the crowd in heaven were very a dull lot. I think we need to nominate the geniuses Zimmer and Mueller for the Nobel prize in Physics for their discovery of time-travel. If Hussein Obama can get the peace prize surely these two can easily secure the Physics award.

  12. @Lysias

    I prefer the ‘explanation’ that they are travelers from parallel dimensions.

  13. @Cowboy

    Given the US record in bio-warfare,lust for killing and psychopathic hatred and fear of China, the third is glaringly pre-eminent.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  14. It’s obvious humanity was intentionally attack with a bio weapon. The question is, who is the responsible party?
    I suspect it was a multi-government cabal of deep state actors who needed a distraction from current global events regarding corrupt voting ballots, regardless of which country they are counted, and failed policies regarding mass immigration, debt, and unsustainable third world breeding of low IQ populations.
    Sooner or later we will deal with all three of those realities, or allow weapons of mass destruction to reconcile it for us.
    The Russia/Ukraine event may be that deciding factor for the continuation of humanity as we know it.

    I have no faith in the illegitimate babbling buffoons in US or any other ZioState across the globe.
    We are under attack by the darkest evil that has ever existed since the beginning of time.

  15. anonymous[685] • Disclaimer says:

    The USA secretly had a time travel device, The Time Tunnel, in 1966 – there was a TV show about it.

    Here is the magnificent first ever trip through time into the past. US gov with a cranky Senator was about to cancel funding, and so the young project leader took the personal risk to show the tunnel works, even tho not all was ready yet. Great visuals and sound effects – 96 seconds –

  16. meamjojo says:

    Hopefully, the NYT will actually read Robert Kennedy’s book ‘The Real Anthony Fauci’. Then they can explain why Fauci still holds his post and why he isn’t locked up in prison for the rest of his life.

    • Agree: Ben the Layabout
  17. BuelahMan says:

    Every aspect of this scamdemic has been a lie. Almost every medical and political entity has been lying to us. Trump’s Emergency declaration was a lie, operation warp speed was built upon lies of jab effectiveness, payment methods were a ruse used to put as much of this tainted poison in as many bodies possible, every changing missive about treatments were a lie, every aspect of masking was a lie, the danger covid supposedly caused was/is a lie.

    And Biden’s administration hasn’t done anything except promote and expand upon all of those lies.

    I don’t know about you, but I will never forget what they have done. I insist that these monsters pay with jail time or the death penalty.

    • Agree: acementhead
  18. I seem to recall in early 2020 seeing bits and pieces here and there saying the Chinese authorities had the various videos from inside the Wuhan Huanan wet market allegedly showing how the American military ‘athletes’ had a real ‘taste’ for fresh exotic Chinese delicacies as they were seen frequenting the wet market while they were present in Wuhan for the military games in October 2019. Not sure how reliable such reports were, but if true, what another striking coincidence, given the newest research Rons proffers herein allegedly showing the Wuhan wet market may have been the origin site of the Covid outbreak, and giving a clearer timeline for patient zero……

  19. @Ron Unz

    Ro, I am puzzled that your determination to shed past naiveté about 20 years ago has led you to such simple certainties about the conspiracies you now look for and plausibly think you have found.

    Can you explain why you accept that wicked US government insiders will do such things as launch biowarfare against China and Iran, murder a President and his brother, arrange the controlled demolition of WTC buildings etc. and yet are not at least as likely to have planted stories in a very small part of the US and Israeli media for political advantage against a despised President? In general is it not at least as likely that a conspiracy to defame the President which would be unlikely to lead to prosecution as a crime if discovered would be planned than a mad plot to use US government resources to effectually make war on China that would have savage consequences for proven criminal action (not to mention ruinous damages to pay)?

    Do you count the official denial as actually adding to the probability that the report existed.? Would it be denied if it was clear that one day FOIA or subpoena could disclose it? Most important: if it was a widely circulated report amongst the intelligence agencies how are a little clique of rogue actors going to suppress it. Why wouldn’t a much more certainly disloyal or disaffected anti-Trump person blow the whistle.? Didn’t John Bolton resign about then to write his anti Trump book?

    Nah, I’ll cover a very big bet that no such report turns up within 5 years. Are you on?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  20. For what its worth, a neighbor of mine said she came down with Covid in mid-November 2019 while staying in Italy. Said it was bad.

    Shortly after came the stories of mass infection among Italian seniors.

    Norwegian studies of stored blood samples say Covid was in circulation in Fall 2019.

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  21. @Exalted Cyclops

    #4 NYT reporting

    Then there’s fifty feet of crap. Then there’s government medical statistics. Farthest away, at the metaphorical limits imposed by the age of the universe, are public education spending statistics.

  22. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    The current media hurricane unleashed by the Russia-Ukraine war has naturally brushed aside other news stories, some of which might otherwise have been of the greatest importance.

    Maybe related? It’s now looking like bioweapon labs in Western Ukraine and not Fort Detrick might have been the origin of the bioattack on Iran and China? Makes sense when juxtaposed with the Deep State’s hysterically unhinged response to Russia going in to clear out militants in Eastern Ukraine who’ve been directed* to slaughter people in the Donbass.

    *e.g., by McCain, Graham, Klobuchar, CIA, DoS, et al.:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    Covid-19 is all about the war against Russia.

    And now it’s looking like the start of the informational war to bring down Russia began with the wet market/bat soup story in Wuhan. Hear me out.

    Deep State then quickly changed the official story when there was progression of the coronavirus outside of China and Iran. The lab leak theory was born. Evidence now is that it was a bioweapon lab from Western Ukraine. I always wondered why the Wuhan lab leak story was pushed so aggressively and eventually picked up by the MSM as true. Classic diversion.

    The two biggest allies of Russia are Iran and China. The two countries which saw the first deadly and virulent outbreaks were China and Iran. Specifically Wuhan and Qom. Why these two cities? Wuhan is the travel hub of China. Qom is the spiritual capital of Shia Islam. The Coronavirus outbreak coincided with Chinese New Year peak travel and a Shia holy season with the largest number of pilgrims traveling to Qom. Maximum population distribution.

    They misgauged both the lethality of the virus and its progression outside of China and Iran.

    We now know why the conflict in Ukraine is portrayed as an American issue and the Western response to Russia’s operation has been hysterically unhinged.

    But none of this speculation would be possible without the work of Ron Unz, who’s like Robert Redford’s character “Joe Turner” in Three Days of the Condor, whose job it is is to read books for the CIA to figure out larger geopolitical and geostrategic patterns. Ron, who sits and reads biographies of James Garner and 500 pp. historical analyses from fringe groups like the National of Islam, is a real life Joe Turner. Except he makes his analysis freely available and works against Deep State. Fortunately for us Deep State has chosen to leave him alone— for now—because to silence him will bring more attention to his work. They figure that his work is seen by ordinary people as so fantastic— because the actual machinations themselves are so fantastic— that the only people who will believe him will be conspiracy nuts. This guy, who with a poster and pointer presentation, sets up a table on a Harvard Square trying to make others aware of admissions disparities at Harvard. He is probably one of the most influential individuals of our time. His work is behind front page New York Times articles and federal court cases on a Ivy League discrimination. The Chinese government obviously reads his work on the origins of Covid and has even alluded to them publicly. He’s like Joe Turner, John T. Flynn, Harry Elmer Barnes, A.J.P. Taylor et al., all rolled into one.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  24. JessicaR says:

    Or maybe there are simple, good-faith errors somewhere. I am going to wait to see what information becomes public in the next few years before I jump to the conclusion that there is a biowarfare attack.

    On the other hand, I don’t rule out a biowarfare attack, either.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  25. anonymous[933] • Disclaimer says:

    Anonymous 369 wins the thread. This CIA war hysteria is the reponse of a criminal enterprise outgunned and busted for sneak attacks that justify nuclear strikes in international legal precedent. Of all CIA’s sneaky little ratfucks, banned biological weapons are what will get them displayed in glass booths and hanged.

    And the evidence is overwhelming: documentary, circumstantial, technical. All Russia needs is a henchman to flip and name names, and Ukraine stops being a war and starts being a police action to investigate and prosecute particular criminals: Gina Haspel, Avril Haines, Pompeo, Kadlek, Daszak, Calisher, and a bunch of COTRs in DO.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  26. Time travel, like space travel, lies outside the island of viability for metazoan phenotypes; other than suspended animation, earthlings cannot do it.

    Precognition is real enough and has an age old foundation called anticipation. Birds do it, bees do it. And prophets do it, though the OT relies on fraud as much as a winnowing of the best guesses. Precognition can come in dreams, or on mushrooms. Along with synchronicity, the arrow of time is certainly bedeviled by it.

    But I remain unpersuaded by Unz’s theory. It hinges on a chronology too narrow and fragile, and never adequately explains the vast scale of the orchestrated con/coup that has clamped down upon humanity. “Small rogue element” my miniature unicorn. I am more apt to believe Unz is working for China and/or Israel First on this one. But as a practical measure let’s have an international team investigation into the origins of this germ and the tyrannies that followed.

    As for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, who among the readers did not sense a major war of some sort was nearing the world stage? Putin’s entry, so on que after the Covid mania, resembles the bad boy All Star wrestler the audience so loves to hate. It might all be an agreement, actors all working under the same Big Tent owned by the Federation of Central Banks. New “prohibitions” notwithstanding.

  27. anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s more precognition, but the Times will be gagging it down for a long time.

    Bear in mind that CIA’s crime was compound: banned biological weapons plus vaccine profiteering. Just like their anthrax attacks on Congress. And the vaccines’ active ingredient, the one that goes into your nucleus and changes how it works, was patented years before the outbreak.

    So you’ve got CIA on crimes against peace and crimes against humanity. The crime against peace, aggression with banned biological weapons. The crime against humanity, mass medical experimentation under ulterior constraint and coercion.

  28. Ron Unz says:

    Someone dropped me the following interesting comment, which I’m providing:

    The recent research our of China, reported in NYT and elsewhere as good sound science, is an important read:

    It details analysis that
    1) there were TWO forms of CoVid released (at least) within a couple weeks of each other near the market that do not show signs of a recent common ancestor virus; CoVid did not have a single original version (they left unsaid) …that a natural event would almost surely would have had.
    2) no sign of CoVid in the animals at the market shortly after appearing in humans; Unsaid, it is unlikely to have jumped from market animals to humans and immediate disappeared from original animal carriers.

    More smoking guns!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  29. @JessicaR

    The NYT-‘good faith’ errors. Dear me, I’ve laughed SO hard that I must reconfigure my surgical appliance.

  30. @Wizard of Oz

    I’ll bet that within five years you’ll be in the nuthouse, and, like Poprishchin, fancying yourself Ferdinand VIII of Spain. Are you on? Odds on, I’d say.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  31. @Ron Unz

    Did you miss that article which seems to be different from the one you linked? What do you make of it?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  32. @mulga mumblebrain

    How do you propose to set up the bet? It would be easy enough to do between Ron and me but it would be more complicated if we did not wish to shed our anonymity.

    BTW do you believe the report existed? If so, why?

  33. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Did you miss that article which seems to be different from the one you linked? What do you make of it?

    No, it’s exactly the same article. But that commenter argued that the two distinct strains of Covid that appeared around the same time further increase the suspicions of a non-natural virus. that seems a reasonable point to me, though hardly conclusive.

    • Thanks: WIzard of Oz
  34. Two years into this whole shitshow, no one seriously believes that the virus was NOT of artificial origin. You don’t even need to know any of the scientific data to reach that conclusion. The bad behavior of many agents alone show that something is amiss.

    The recent “natural origin” claims are most interesting, coming so late in the pandemic. I fail to see what propaganda value they might have.

    Mere circumstantial evidence alone points to an accidental release from the Wuhan lab in late 2019 (probably late November). When the outbreak first started to become known, the Chinese acted in most curious fashion, shutting down labs, censoring doctors and anyone else who spoke out about the “atypical pneumonia” cases, and (apparently) disappearing selected personnel. Now, I’ll be the first to admit that none of that proves anything. But it sure seems like damned odd behavior for innocent parties.

    Right about the same time (but we did not learn until mid-2021 following FOIA-ed email dump) Dr. Fauci and many of his associates in the NIAID/NIH too were acting a most strange manner. There are documented emails informing Dr. Fauci that the virus appeared to be of engineered source. Hasty, clandestine meetings were called, the exact details of which have not yet been released. Within a month, two opinion pieces had appeared, in Nature and Lancet respectively, affirming the opinion from on high that the virus must have come from nature and lambasting anyone who would think differently. A year or so later, these journals issued admissions of blatant conflicts of interest they had failed to disclose in early 2020. These once-reputable periodicals have permanently damaged their credibility, proving to the world they, their editors, their publisher and the “scientists” whose papers see the light of day are completely under the thumb of Fauci and other powerful players.

    We all cling to our favorite theories about what happened, and Unz is no different. As I have often critiqued here, the media sources he claims to support his rogue biowarefare hypothesis and (as mentioned in this article), the claimed early knowledge by DIA of a strange outbreak are no more exempt from the “planted story” disinformation charges he levels at competing theories that rely on various media reports.

    The whole truth will probably never emerge, so we are forced to rely on what evidence is available and decide what is most likely (Occam’s Razor.)

    • Replies: @Ben the Layabout
  35. @beavertales

    None of the events you mention (if they are factual) prejudice (or explain) the origin of the virus. What you’ve described is consistent with the appearance of a virus in Wuhan in late 2019, whether of natural (least likely, in my opinion), an accidental escape from one of their labs (most likely, IMO), or an intentional release whether from lab or by rogue foreign actors (Unz’s claim, least likely, IMO.)

    The least remarkable of the events you cite would be the infections in Italy. Italy has thousands of Chinese foreign workers, a perfect pipeline to import a highly infectious respiratory disease.

  36. @Ben the Layabout

    Correction: The disinformation article appeared in Nature Medicine, not Nature, as I said earlier. “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2”. 17 March 2020.

  37. All Mr. Unz so often does and brilliantly, is to prove that most people’s memories are too short. Good reasoning is literally impossible, without a good memory!

  38. @Old Brown Fool

    C.f. “The Grandfather Paradox”

  39. nosods says:

    “As an example of this, a couple of days ago the New York Times ran a major article reporting the scientific discovery of time-travel, or perhaps precognition, but the story received almost no attention.”

    It’s really reassuring to learn that the New York Times is receiving no attention. Although they’ll no doubt follow up this story with another report soon on how time-travel is rascist & “precognition” is just another form of ‘white supremacism’, yawn. Honestly, why does anyone still read the NYT anymore?

  40. Ron I am not sure if you have seen this. It fits in with your theory, that covid-19 was a US engineered virus.

    And this is the paper it’s based on.

    So it’s entirely possible that the military in co-junction with modena trade patents released a virus in Wuhan , quite possible using the cover of the military games to attack China. This is definitely possible as the outbreak occurs in China and ‘the west’ can use it’s considerable propaganda media to keep this attack ( by the US) from the western public thoughts. In fact to keep the focus on China would be the easy part. What nobody can deny now is US malfeasance in the creation of this virus both scientifically and financially which can also be traced though project application by Eco West to Darpa. A big thank you for this site.

  41. Cowboy says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    I don’t know. Isn’t precognition an Eastern thing? Maybe the gooks did know in advance.

  42. The simplest answer that explains all the evidence is probably the correct one.

    That it spontaneously came out of a bat is ridiculous. The evidence that the dread virus was the product of deliberate manipulation is impossible to ignore.

    Complicated CIA-sponsored biowarfare attacks are hard to swallow. They have an awful lot of moving pieces that all have to mesh the right way.

    That Wuhan, under the sponsorship of Fauci, was messing around with bat corona viruses with poor controls is all indisputably true. It’s not a big stretch to imagine that they were fooling around with gain of experiments and one of them got loose. The default reaction of totalitarians is to cover stuff up, and given that we’re talking about the CCP here, it’s pretty much inconceivable that they wouldn’t have launched into major panic mode and disappeared anyone who might even have a chance of contradicting the official story.

    This doesn’t really require a lot of complicated conspiracy. It just requires breathtaking hubris on the part of Fauci (no one can seriously argue against that) and a certain recklessness on the part of the Wuhan lab (not hard at all to believe.) Was Fauci funding Wuhan to perform gain-of-function experiments? He absolutely denied it. And that’s sort of true. Not any more than when your irresponsible uncle gave teenage you twenty bucks and said, “Now don’t spend this on beer!” I didn’t spend his twenty on beer, I spent it on gas. I spent the twenty in my other pocket on beer. If I had killed anyone my uncle could have adamantly denied that he had given me money for beer.

    A halfway competent western spy on the ground in Wuhan would have heard the rumors and reported it back promptly. The “it started in late November” is an after-the-fact cover-up that’s required to align the official story with what the one that Fauci and his crowd want to tell, which absolves them of responsibility. If you were a scientist and you knew your career depended on not pissing off Fauci, wouldn’t you shade the truth a little bit?

    So there’s some evil here, but mostly it’s just another big cock-up of the sort that comes when arrogant people are given fiat money to irresponsibly play with dangerous toys. It’s hard for me to believe that they are capable of planning something like this, but they certainly can take advantage of the situation when it came up. What were Pfizer’s profits last year, how many tens of billions?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  43. See comment 41 and the links to a paper.
    One can put great importance on this paper. First it says the a mathematically probability that covid 19 was created. Next it also mathematically says that a match or opposite sequence to moderna’s patented vaccine is also a match to the virus. So the paper history ending conclusion with a mathematically chance of 1 to billions the chance that covid 19 was a natural virus spread from bats to he public is a lie. Anther way to say this the match between Modern’s vaccine and patent and virus would have to be a chance in a billion and yet it happened.. Nobody disputes the paper by 7? authors. This is stock standard propaganda media manipulation, when irrefutable scientific evidence is provable- ‘the west’ just does not report it. Eco health Fuaci/Moderna are all in on this world-wide scam of releasing dangerous pathogens into he environment for political ends ( against China and dare I say it again Trump/ elections 2020 )
    As the possible the ‘world comes to end in just stupid western miscalculations. The above is reason in itself that a west plays with world future , just because it can. How can a politician who is grifter, kiddy fiddler, sexual predator, and down right lair and thief- not end the world. All hail pResident Joe.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  44. @Jack Russell

    Welcome to the small group of UR threadsters who can tolerate intelligently based uncertainty.

  45. Papa says:

    Don’t forget the Teleportation Device that allows viral matter to appear in Iran near instantaneously from Wuhan in January 2020.

  46. @anonymous

    And the evidence is overwhelming: documentary, circumstantial, technical.

    If, understandably, you aren’t willing to set out the overwhelming evidence in extenso, would you please, nonetheless point or link UR readers to it?

  47. @col from OZ

    You do remember I trust that our host puts complete trust in an Australian scientist, one Danielle Anderson, when she assures the world that there was nothing sloppy about WUV.

  48. Eudion2 says:

    Poor Ron. You make a joke about time travel, and half the comments are about time travel and not about the substance of your article.

    Yes, the CIA conspired to cause the COVID-19 breakout and framed the Wuhan lab as the source of a ‘lab leak.’ But perhaps that’s not even half the story.

    In the early days of the outbreak, you may recall the virus was reported to be far more deadly and transmissible than it later turned out to be. Just how much of a ‘helping hand’ did the CIA give to the transmission of the virus? Was it one agent spilling a vial in the Wuhan lab parking lot? Or did multiple teams of agents go about Wuhan applying samples of the virus on high contact surfaces in public places to simulate an uncontrollable outbreak?

    Did they also apply a variant that was less transmissible but far more deadly, knowing that medical teams would equate the two as a single virus that was both highly lethal and rapidly spreading?

    Interestingly, after brief lockdowns, the Chinese went back to normal living and the case rate and death rate plummeted. The implication is that they identified the mechanism of the pandemic as political, not medical, and had taken appropriate action.

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