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For forty years I carefully read the New York Times in hard copy each and every morning, eager to discover what had transpired since the previous day. But just in the last few months, my commitment has begun to flag, and my eyes often only lightly glance at half or more of the articles and their columnar headlines.

I’d never thought much of Donald Trump, but can’t seem to work up the enthusiasm to read yet another article headlining the “lies” of our Great Satan or his coterie of lesser Satans. The endless villainies of his Luciferian ally Vladimir Putin have grown dull to my mental tongue. The diabolical wickedness of China, whom Trump had supposedly so recently courted, elicits little interest. Closer to home, my eyes skip over another “social distancing” advice column about Covid-19, or further explanations of how “peaceful protesters” had recently set a government building on fire in Portland, Oregon, or destroyed Chicago’s wealthiest downtown shopping district.

The Business Section reports that the worst disease outbreak in a century, the worst unemployment since the Great Depression, and the worst national rioting in two generations has produced unprecedented gains in share prices on Wall Street, but the staff writers have apparently forgotten the word “bubble.” Many days the Arts Section seems to have become almost monochromatically black. So my daily regular morning ritual now takes much less time than it did in the past.

I can’t exactly plot the trajectory of this sharp drop in my recent interest. But I certainly noticed the change not longer after a Twitter-mob forced the Times to summarily purge for insufficient “wokeness” its highly-regarded Editorial Page Editor, widely considered a leading contender to run the paper, perhaps suggesting that the journalists changed their coverage and writing style to avoid a similar fate. I had always read my morning newspapers at a local coffee-shop, but the Coronavirus outbreak ended that possibility, thereby disrupting my routine. And my years of denouncing the dishonesty of “Our American Pravda” in my own articles may have finally begun to register in my own mind.

There are occasional exceptions to this pattern. Earlier this month the Times carefully tabulated our national mortality figures and determined that our “excess deaths” from early March to the end of July had already exceeded 200,000, indicating that the American body-count from our Covid-19 epidemic was considerably larger than generally assumed, and might even reach the half million mark by the end of the year. But examples of such solid reporting seem few and far between these days.

The obvious decline of the Times is especially apparent to me each morning when I compare it with the rival Wall Street Journal, which I read immediately afterward. After Rupert Murdoch acquired the Journal in 2007, most observers predicted a sad fate at the hands of the proprietor whose early Fleet Street media empire had been built upon on the frontal nudity of the Page Three Girls of his tabloid Sun. But Murdoch totally confounded those skeptics, providing his new flagship broadsheet with huge financial backing and a hands-off editorial policy, thereby elevating it from a business-focused publication to a near-peer rival to the Gray Lady at a time when so many other papers were about to begin shriveling from massive loss of advertising. Within a couple of years, even such inveterate Murdoch-haters as The Nation acknowledged this surprising reality.

 

Superb journalist resources unshackled by extreme “political correctness” allow an outstanding product, and this has certainly been demonstrated by the Journal‘s regular front-page investigative reports. A few days ago, our continuing Covid-19 disaster prompted yet another of these, which I think lacked only a few crucial elements to be worthy of a Pulitzer Prize.

Numerous publications have documented America’s severe mistakes in combating the disease, but this 4,500 word WSJ report focused upon the serious mishandling of the original outbreak by Chinese authorities.

The article revealed that top public health officials at China’s Center for Disease Control only became aware of the situation on December 30th, when they learned that at least 25 suspected cases of a mysterious illness had already occurred in Wuhan during that month. But as the writers noted, the outbreak had certainly begun somewhat earlier:

Even a fully empowered China CDC would likely have missed the very first cases of the coronavirus, which probably began spreading around Wuhan in October or November, most likely in people who never showed symptoms, or did but never saw a doctor, researchers say.

All of this new information seems quite consistent with what had previously been discovered by America’s leading media outlets. But the Journal writers seem to have missed one additional fact that could have elevated this important story from a mundane investigation to a sensational expose. Although they documented that the Chinese government only learned of the Wuhan outbreak at the end of December, they seemed unaware that more than a month earlier American intelligence officials had distributed a secret report to our military allies describing the “cataclysmic” disease outbreak then underway in Wuhan.

A few months ago, I had noted the clear implications of this bizarre discrepancy in timing:

For obvious reasons, the Trump Administration has become very eager to emphasize the early missteps and delays in the Chinese reaction to the viral outbreak in Wuhan, and has presumably encouraged our media outlets to direct their focus in that direction.

As an example of this, the Associated Press Investigative Unit recently published a rather detailed analysis of those early events purportedly based upon confidential Chinese documents. Provocatively entitled “China Didn’t Warn Public of Likely Pandemic for 6 Key Days”, the piece was widely distributed, running in abridged form in the NYT and elsewhere. According to this reconstruction, the Chinese government first became aware of the seriousness of this public health crisis on Jan. 14th, but delayed taking any major action until Jan. 20th, a period of time during which the number of infections greatly multiplied.

Last month, a team of five WSJ reporters produced a very detailed and thorough 4,400 word analysis of the same period, and the NYT has published a helpful timeline of those early events as well. Although there may be some differences of emphasis or minor disagreements, all these American media sources agree that Chinese officials first became aware of the serious viral outbreak in Wuhan in early to mid-January, with the first known death occurring on Jan. 11th, and finally implemented major new public health measures later that same month. No one has apparently disputed these basic facts.

But with the horrific consequences of our own later governmental inaction being obvious, elements within our intelligence agencies have sought to demonstrate that they were not the ones asleep at the switch. Earlier this month, an ABC News story cited four separate government sources to reveal that as far back as late November, a special medical intelligence unit within our Defense Intelligence Agency had produced a report warning that an out-of-control disease epidemic was occurring in the Wuhan area of China, and widely distributed that document throughout the top ranks of our government, warning that steps should be taken to protect US forces based in Asia. After the story aired, a Pentagon spokesman officially denied the existence of that November report, while various other top level government and intelligence officials refused to comment. But a few days later, Israeli television mentioned that in November American intelligence had indeed shared such a report on the Wuhan disease outbreak with its NATO and Israeli allies, thus seeming to independently confirm the complete accuracy of the original ABC News story and its several government sources.

It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

An entirely new disease that spreads in silent, asymptomatic fashion can easily escape initial detection, and we should not be surprised that no one in China noticed the Wuhan outbreak when it first began in October or November. But America’s intelligence operatives were entirely aware of what was happening from the very beginning, and began informing all our allies. This seems about as close to a “smoking gun” as we can ever likely to encounter in the annals of the murky world of intelligence operations.

Moreover, I have also noted the very unusual international pattern the deadly disease immediately began to follow:

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hatred Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

So if the journalists at the WSJ had merely taken note of what had previously been reported by ABC News and confirmed by Israeli television, they would surely have earned themselves a Pulitzer Prize. But earning and receiving are two separate matters, and they might easily have instead been purged for treading upon such touchy national security matters. After all, our own webzine was banned by both Facebook and Google just days after we raised these same matters.

Such retaliation helps explain why our American mainstream media has long since concluded that discretion is the better part of valor.

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  1. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:

    Do you still read these papers at the Burger King?

    http://www.onenation.org/opinion/this-man-controls-california/

    The huge living room contains not a stick of furniture. The fridge holds mostly Gatorade, muffins, and frozen snacks; Unz, a 37-year-old bachelor, eats half his meals at Burger King. He sleeps on a mattress on the floor. The bathrooms are dirty, and the dust is thick. There’s no one who comes in to clean, no photos on display, and no escaping the thought that a well-heeled businessman has to have a screw loose to live this way…

    As usual, Unz has been up since five a.m., reading three newspapers and scrolling others online. At six-thirty, he dons a Walkman with his favorite Neil Diamond tape for his mile-and-a-half constitutional to Burger King, where, over coffee, he scans three more papers from the out-of-town stand next door.

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-jul-16-mn-4223-story.html

    A bachelor, he takes his meals at Burger King and has no hobbies, though he occasionally enjoys a walk through downtown Palo Alto, with a Neil Diamond tape playing over and over again on a stereo headset.

    He drives a dusty Nissan Sentra and has yet to fully furnish his spacious Spanish-style home, purchased in 1992. Until recently, he owned only one suit, which he repeatedly patched throughout the Proposition 227 campaign–“until the holes simply became too big.”

  2. What I don’t understand is why there hasn’t been an investigation into the mysterious upper respiratory virus that broke out at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Fairfax County, Virginia last summer. 63 people became ill and three died. Very unusual for something like that to break out in the summer months. Is there a connection to Covid-19? Fort Detrick Lab in Maryland is about an hour away from the breakout.

    • Agree: meamjojo, Tor597
  3. Such retaliation helps explain why our American mainstream media has long since concluded that discretion is the better part of valor.

    Rapier-sharp allusion given the context in which it first appeared.

  4. The possible implications of this, the potential ramifications, are terrifying. At the very least the USA’s deep state has displayed a malevolent indifference to the spread of a serious infectious disease. A worst case scenario is that the USA’s deep state displayed a satanically immoral and idiotically stupid role in facilitating, if not creating, the spread of SARS-COV-2 among all of humanity.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Wade
    , @Dieter Kief
  5. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:

    Still trying to frame Trump for Covid19, Ronnie?

    • Replies: @lysias
  6. Curb your enthusiasm for the WSJ. Western media and get away with portraying China’s government as ‘opaque’ because so few of their writers read Chinese. In fact, self-criticism is built into Chinese governance as these comments by Shao Yiming, virologist and chief HIV/AIDS expert at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CCDC), and the head of the CCDC, Dr. George Gao, illustrate.

    Like most such Western ‘revelations,’ the story appeared in Chinese newspapers last April and in the Japanese news in May:

    [MORE]

    Caixin: Many people compare China’s CDC with the U.S. counterpart and call for the agency to have greater authority. What’s your thought?

    Dr. George Gao: We must understand the technical nature of the work at CDCs. They use scientific methods to carry out surveillance of infectious diseases, assess risks and send timely alerts. They also carry out intervention based on the nature of the epidemic and set up national standards and guidance to deal with diseases. But it is almost impossible for China’s CDC system to complete such tasks with their current resources and coordination capacity. The Covid-19 outbreak proves the problems and the urgent need for CDC reforms. There are about 20,000 people working in the American CDC system, compared with only 2,000 in China, and they cover almost four times the population of the U.S. The U.S. CDC has more than 500 people focusing on research, warning, intervention, public education and emergency response related to flu virus, but the team in China is only 20.

    There should be dedicated teams to track and conduct long-term studies of seasonal flu, novel influenza and respiratory infections. They need to carry out massive surveillance, sample collection, testing and analysis to study the virus and response measures. Such tasks can’t be completed with only 10 to 20 people.

    China has identified 36 infectious diseases in the Law on the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases, but fewer than half of the diseases are under study by dedicated teams. Although the China CDC has strived to hire high-end talent over the past 10 years, it has difficulties retaining them. Institution-building should be enhanced in the disease control system. We should eliminate certain institutional barriers such as limiting CDC’s responsibility to human disease control while assigning animal disease surveillance to agricultural departments. In the U.S., the CDC regularly monitors risks from animals. The frequent outbreak of zoonotic diseases (those transmitted from animals) reminds us of the importance of cross-department cooperation.

    On the other hand, the national CDC should not only function in Beijing. In countries like the U.S. and Russia, the national CDC often has branches and dispatches teams to states and cities to collect first-hand information. I think in China, while strengthening the power of the national CDC, it is also important to combine disease control departments at the provincial level with the CDC for better coordination.

    It is a great pity that the direct reporting system to monitor infectious disease set up after the SARS outbreak didn’t play its due role during this epidemic.

    Under the rules, the cases should be submitted to the system whenever there are more than three unknown pneumonia cases. The system is in place with a network covering more than 70,000 reporting points across the country, and doctors can do it with a simple click. The reports will be simultaneously submitted to the national and local level of the Disease Control and Prevention Center (CDC). The idea of the direct reporting system is to reduce administrative intervention and save time in the face of an epidemic.

    But after 15 years of operation of this costly system, all the efforts unbelievably turned out to be in vain, and hierarchical review and administrative intervention were back in place. Why were there such actions, which violate the Law on the Prevention and Control of Infectious Diseases, could happen in government and law enforcement departments? Why didn’t local experts fulfill their duty according to the infectious disease reporting rules? And why did the National Health Commission and its experts fail to collect important information in a timely way? Whether we can find true and adequate answers to these questions will be important to future work.

    And as to

    An entirely new disease that spreads in silent, asymptomatic fashion can easily escape initial detection, and we should not be surprised that no one in China noticed the Wuhan outbreak when it first began in October or November.

    Obviously, it was spreading in silent, asymptomatic fashion in the USA much earlier, as lab tests and image analyses have shown. The difference between China’s and our CDCs was that that they were looking for it and we issued restraining orders to anyone who attempted to test for it.

    _________________________________________________
    Why ‘Smart’ Covid-19 Virus May Be Here to Stay. By Yang Rui, Denise Jia and Han Wei. Caixin, Mar 19, 2020

    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-19/exclusive-why-smart-covid-19-virus-may-be-here-to-stay-101530816.html

    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-05-27/china-should-remove-red-tape-for-disease-control-agencies-official-says-101559750.html

    https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-06-12/china-debates-revamp-to-disease-control-system-101566601.html

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. @Anonymous

    Sounds like my kind of guy. There’s nothing like that singed taste you get with a Whopper. McDonald’s seems like a mouthful of mealie by comparison.

    BTW it has been all but “proven” that the so-called coronavirus originated in the Wuhan “laboratory.” A scenario that was already coordinated between CIA front VOA and CIA ops Falun Gong member Jennifer Zeng early on.

    WWIII is back on the menu.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    , @Realist
    , @Trinity
  8. MEH 0910 says:
    @another one

    https://www.laweekly.com/being-ron-unz/

    It’s late August and Ron Unz, the multimillionaire software entrepreneur and idiosyncratic conservative, is seated at a table for four at Jing Jing‘s. It’s his favorite Chinese restaurant, an inexpensive, worn place just off University Avenue in upscale Palo Alto, where he lives in graduate-student squalor.

    https://www.jingjinggourmet.com/menus

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
  9. MEH 0910 says:
    @Anonymous

    Do you still read these papers at the Burger King?

    From a casual internet search, I don’t believe that the probable location is a Burger King anymore.

  10. ruralguy says:

    Politics is one of those things people seem to crave, but never get a sense of relaxation from it. I guess its like the lesser gorillas spending their days watching the dominant Silverback, even preferring that focus to food. For me, the WSJ is an antidote to politics. I always feel relaxed after reading it. Lately this summer, I spent every afternoon engaged in hard physical labor on projects around my property, even in the 90 degree temps. It always gives me a sense of satisfaction. Working my own projects helps too. Someday, I hope to kick the addiction to politics. Maybe methadone will help.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @TKK
  11. @Anonymous

    Thanks for those links; the first one in particular is very interesting.

    I hope Ron still doesn’t have a stick of furniture in his huge living room – but I equally hope he’s ditched eating Burger King… that SAD shit pseudo-food is basically diabetes-concentrate, wrapped in paper with a logo on it. That’s even true of the ‘Rebel Whopper’, which is the Australian plant-based version of a Whopper (and it’s pretty tasty, based on N=2; I won’t ever have a third).

    A high-IQ technically-competent occasional-monomaniac is absolutely wasted on US (or any) politics.

    Far better that we get to keep RUnz as our benevolent ‘dictator’: imagine how much poorer the world would be if he had been too busy pissing about in the swamp, to write the American Pravda series.

    • Replies: @ruralguy
    , @Anonymous
  12. @MEH 0910

    He‘s profoundly conservative on taxes, crime and welfare, but also out of step with conservatives in manifold ways: He’s pro-immigrant but anti-multicultural; anti-voucher in pro-voucher times; anti-abortion but nondogmatic, framing his position as a ”personal view“; a free trader who is sanguine about China; an unreligious person among followers who root their politics in religious fervor; a right-wing activist driven only marginally by concern about gays and guns.

    Everyone should be forgiven their youthful indiscretions; at about the same time (mid/late 90s) and age (30s; early for me, late for RUnz) that paragraph described me, too.

    The only error we both had made is ‘conservative on taxes‘ . By 1997 I had remedied that, and was a voluntaryist and thus quite radical on taxes, in that they should be zero – as a logical corollary of the conclusion that the parasite-political class was welfare-reducing and thus should be abolished … by lethal violence if necessary. Nothing that has happened on the world stage since I reached that conclusion (in March of 1996) has made me reconsider.

    I guess I was “anti-abortion” only to the extent that I strongly favoured RU-486 over D&C, but otherwise it was none of my business – and that the morally-repugnant parasitic sociopathic vermin of the State certainly had no legitimate role in attempting to influence women’s reproductive decisions.

    Nowadays that’s changed, but only qualitatively – ‘morning after‘ induced miscarriage is still vastly preferable to abortion, but otherwise it is an excellent thing when Gammas, Deltas and Epsilons have abortions.

    The fewer offspring are shat in that demographic, the better: taken across the entire demographic they are quite literally useless eaters who would shit on the sidewalk if given their druthers, and whose stupidity and gullibility is essential for the perpetuation of the two ‘big ticket’ grifts… religion and politics.

  13. ruralguy says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Good comment about Burger King. When I was young, single, and unable to cook, I ate every dinner at Kentucky Fried Chicken, for more than one year, until one of the girls behind the counter told me to stop eating there, because the food was not healthy. I took her advice, learning to cook.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  14. TG says:

    Um. I’m sorry, but you lost me at respecting the NYT and WSJ in any regards for the last few decades.

    What have the NYT and WSJ pushed?

    – Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and we simply must invade Iraq and it’s all going to be great.
    – We simply must sign the NAFTA trade treaty with Mexico and only an idiot would say that our jobs and industries will move to Mexico
    – We simply must sign the MFN trade treaty with China and only an idiot would say that our jobs and industries will move to China
    – We simply must repeal Glass Steagall and only an idiot would say that this would result in massive financial instability and the need for colossal Wall Street Bailouts
    – We simply must kill Muammar Gaddafi and his children and destroy Libya and this will result in peace and wonderfulness breaking out all over Libya
    – Masks are useless for preventing the spread of disease
    – Masks are vital for preventing the spread of disease and only idiot Trump voters refuse to wear masks.

    I could go on. You get the idea. Really, anyone who only recently lost respect for the NYT and WSJ is simply not paying attention. Or perhaps, so tied to memories of bygone days that they just couldn’t let go. The NYT and WSJ are like the old Soviet propaganda pieces Pravda and Tass, just not as careful with their lies.

  15. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I hope Ron still doesn’t have a stick of furniture in his huge living room – but I equally hope he’s ditched eating Burger King… that SAD shit pseudo-food is basically diabetes-concentrate, wrapped in paper with a logo on it.

    Don’t worry. He eats a balanced diet of Burger King, pizza, and Chinese:

    https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/01/time/prop.277.html

    No, Ron Unz says, it’s not true that he owns only two suits. He owns one. The other wore out weeks ago. And the one left “is on its last legs,” he says. “I’ve patched the pants a couple of times.” But it is true that he eats mostly at Burger Kings and pizza joints. And, yes, he lives in a house with no wife, no kids, no dog and hardly any furniture. “It’s pretty sloppy,” he offers.

    http://www.languagepolicy.net/archives/OCReg4.htm

    Still, he is a man of simple bachelor’s tastes. He drives a 1992 Nissan Sentra. He still hasn’t furnished the living room of the home he bought in Palo Alto in 1993.

    “The last shirt I bought was at Sear’s about six months ago,” he said. He stocks his kitchen with cartons of instant noodles and beans. But he typically dines on takeout hamburgers, pizza or Chinese food.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  16. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:
    @ruralguy

    When I was young, single, and unable to cook, I ate every dinner at Kentucky Fried Chicken, for more than one year

    Ron has been eating like this into late middle age, for decades, despite being very wealthy.

    These behaviors, the squalor, hygiene, the obsessive compulsion, repetitive behaviors (“Neil Diamond tape playing over and over again on a stereo headset”), persucatory delusions, conspiracy theorizing, etc., strongly suggest a form of psychosis, most likely schizophrenia.

  17. Biff says:
    @TG

    I like to recall one of my favorite WSJ moments. A friend of mine owns a restaurant/bar establishment, and I used to frequent the place for lunch a couple of times a week. There was one particular regular customer – a retired veterinarian – that would show up everyday about 11:00am like clockwork, have a couple of craft beers, and read the WSJ – which the bar had a subscription just for him.
    I showed up for lunch one day(2008 era) and there is Greg sitting in his regular spot with his nose firmly buried in the journal, and it’s a normal quite day while I order some food, then all of a sudden Greg jumps up; shakes his papers and yells: “The Goddammed Russians just invaded Georgia!” “Russian aggression! Arrgh!!”

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @GMC
  18. Unz… Okay let’s assume you are right that the US spread China Virus or somehow created it. Now if you have a bio weapon, unless you are a complete idiot, do you not already need to somehow innoculate your own citizens or your own class of elites if this isthe usual Deep State action?
    Now of course our elites are bloody idiots, no doubt about that. But are they dumb enough to have started a pandemic that they cannot control and you seem to be convinced is the greatest plague since the Middle Ages?
    By the way, your state now leads the country in cases… thought you said how competent it was with some public health doctor you wrote about leading the way in locking down California… looks like that didn’t work out.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  19. Max Payne says:
    @Anonymous

    I even have more respect for this guy. What a real OG.

    • Agree: gregor
  20. Franz says:
    @Anonymous

    These behaviors, the squalor, hygiene, the obsessive compulsion, repetitive behaviors (“Neil Diamond tape playing over and over again on a stereo headset”), persucatory delusions, conspiracy theorizing, etc., strongly suggest a form of psychosis, most likely schizophrenia.

    Ah, that’s just out-of-date psychobabble.

    In a more sane world it was called monomania. Not to say monomania is always good: If you’re unlucky and have bad habits like impulsive cussing at strangers, hair-pulling, constant masturbation, you got a problem.

    But let’s say your name was Mozart and your monomania was punching keys on a piano till you created some of the most gorgeous music in the world. Then?

    Monomaniacs create what the world calls “history” or at least they add to it.

    • Agree: Sollipsist
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Grisha
  21. I could never understand Mr. Unz’s admission that he read the New York Times and WSJ religiously without giving an indication that their greatest value is acting as a bellwether for nefarious actions coming down the pike to the benefit of those who had developed the skill for reading between the lines.

    Up here in Absurdistan (Canada), the government gives a six figure stipend to the major dailies that they had requested to forestall bankruptcy. As a matter of fact, the largest newspaper in Canada, The Toronto Daily Star which could have been sold for eight figures as little as a couple of decades ago sold for $40 million (+-) a couple of months ago.

    Would you trust any news that comes from institutions who have to sing for their supper on a direct government lifeline? Lately they have let our Prime Minister, Fidelito skate lightly through his latest scandal while the rest of the paper including the travel section could be mistaken for the current events edition of Ebony Magazine.

    The printed news media, and I mean all of them, are actually pretty boring in their blatency and monotone coverage in that everything including world events are reported through a prism of the latest PC fads which are really the only things that change, ever so slightly.

    Cheers-

    • Replies: @utu
  22. jsinton says:

    More tidbits of information I’ve gleaned in the past week.

    First of all, the virus is not from animals that jumped to humans. There is no virus which is close to the COVID-19 that can be found in the wild. This tends to indicate the virus was “manufactured”.

    There is three basic versions of the virus: a “European” version, an “Asian” version, and a “Middle Eastern” version. All three of which appeared at the same time. While it is expected the virus will mutate, it is not expected that three versions would appear at the same time, or three mutations appear at the same time, seemingly optimized to a given population or “breed”. In Europe it was Italy that first had the epidemic, in Middle East it was Iran, and the Asian version appeared in China. This tends to indicate the virus was “manufactured” and the places “seeded”.

    Then there is the point about the Chinese destroying all original samples and not providing the world with the entire genome sequencing of the original virus, which they are said to have. This makes it virtually impossible to produce a vaccine that is effective. Vaccine manufacturers are “shooting in the dark”, and at a disadvantage to the Chinese vaccine producers. So we cannot expect a vaccine to satisfactorily protect the general population.

    • Troll: Iris
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  23. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:

    The crucial detail here is the source of the warning, DIA. JFK instituted DIA, an intelligence agency made for when you actually need intelligence – when you’re at war. When you’re at peace, what you need is diplomacy, not CIA. DIA has been ratting out CIA’s gravest crimes ever since. DIA also exposed TIMBER SYCAMORE. CIA counterattacked by infiltrating DIA and passing the state responsibility buck with provisions in the PATRIOT Act. And CIA counterattacked by trying harder to destroy rule of law by getting away with increasingly atrocious crimes.

    We all saw CIA compartmenting SARS and farming it out, from Bob Gates at UT to academic labs like the Burnett-Womack Center, to Battelle and subs of subs of subs hidden abroad in states that didn’t ratify the BWC. AMERITHRAX was CIA’s first baby step toward this attack.

    This is their worst atrocity yet, an internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens planned expressly to obscure attribution. SARS-COV-2 is CIA germ warfare waged on the foreign and domestic civilian populations. It’s sneak attack aggression of the most indiscriminate sort. It defies any concept of proportion. This is a hangin offense. CIA is hostis humani generis. Nothing you do matters if you don’t destroy the CIA regime.

    • Thanks: Polemos
  24. Ron Unz says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    Unz… Okay let’s assume you are right that the US spread China Virus or somehow created it. Now if you have a bio weapon, unless you are a complete idiot, do you not already need to somehow innoculate your own citizens or your own class of elites if this isthe usual Deep State action?

    Sure, that’s a perfectly fair point. I discussed it in my original article:

    When considering the hypothesis of an American biowarfare attack, certain natural objections come to mind. The major drawback to biological warfare has always been the obvious fact that the self-replicating agents employed will not respect national borders, thus raising the serious risk that the disease might eventually return to the land of its origin and inflict substantial casualties. For this reason, it seems very doubtful that any rational and half-competent American leadership would have unleashed the coronavirus against China.

    But as we see absolutely demonstrated in our daily news headlines, America’s current government is grotesquely and manifestly incompetent, more incompetent than one could almost possibly imagine, with tens of thousands of Americans having now already paid with their lives for such extreme incompetence. Rationality and competence are obviously nowhere to be found among the Deep State Neocons that President Donald Trump has appointed to so many crucial positions throughout our national security apparatus.

    Moreover, the extremely lackadaisical notion that a massive coronavirus outbreak in China would never spread back to America might have seemed plausible to individuals who carelessly assumed that past historical analogies would continue to apply. As I wrote a few weeks ago:

    Reasonable people have suggested that if the coronavirus was a bioweapon deployed by elements of the American national security apparatus against China (and Iran), it’s difficult to imagine why the they didn’t assume it would naturally leak back in the US and start a huge pandemic here, as is currently happening.

    The most obvious answer is that they were stupid and incompetent, but here’s another point to consider…

    In late 2002 there was the outbreak of SARS in China, a related virus but that was far more deadly and somewhat different in other characteristics. The virus killed hundreds of Chinese and spread into a few other countries before it was controlled and stamped out. The impact on the US and Europe was negligible, with just a small scattering of cases and only a death or two.

    So if American biowarfare analysts were considering a coronavirus attack against China, isn’t it quite possible they would have said to themselves that since SARS never significantly leaked back into the US or Europe, we’d similarly remain insulated from the coronavirus? Obviously, such an analysis was foolish and mistaken, but would it have seemed so implausible at the time?

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @Buzz Mohawk
    , @MarkinLA
  25. Bro43rd says:

    There’s a chance that the excess deaths could flatten due to elimination of many with co-morbidities in the initial waves. Also the excess deaths are partly due to the gov response, suicide rates have spiked during the shutdown as well as lack of preventative medical care adding more.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
  26. @Stonewall Jackson

    do you not already need to somehow innoculate your own citizens or your own class of elites if this isthe usual Deep State action

    For what it is worth, there is a piece which appeared on The Unz Review a while back by Kevin Barrett wherein someone claimed that Trump and possibly some other government members actually *had* been innoculated, which would explain why someone who has a reputation for a germophobe acted so recklessly and never caught the disease.

    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_john-hankey-us-military-made-coronavirus-vaccine-trump-was-vaccinated-in-november/

  27. Realist says:
    @another one

    BTW it has been all but “proven” that the so-called coronavirus originated in the Wuhan “laboratory.”

    Now there is something to hang your hat on. LOL

  28. Ron, a hard-hitting excellent piece! Congratulations! It would be interesting to find out the person who had brought the virus to Iran; their security services should be able to find out who was the young virus super-spreader. And it seems you buried the idea of the Chinese mishap.

  29. An entirely new disease that spreads in silent, asymptomatic fashion can easily escape initial detection

    That’s not a disease then if there are no symptoms.

    This disease also seems to be highly selective, going after older people much more selectively and going after those who have low vitamin D levels as well.

    Why, it almost looks like old age is caught up with a lot of those people who died.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @RadicalCenter
  30. An entirely new disease that spreads in silent, asymptomatic fashion can easily escape initial detection

    Unless you think the Chinese are lying, then this paper brings new information:

    Contact Settings and Risk for Transmission in 3410 Close Contacts of Patients With COVID-19 in Guangzhou, China

    Conclusion:
    Household contact was the main setting for transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and the risk for transmission of SARS-CoV-2 among close contacts increased with the severity of index cases.

    That is to say, asymptomatic cases had low probability of transmission.

  31. Great theory, but it would require our “NATO allies” to go along with the scheme, which of course they wouldn’t. The idea that Spain, maybe one of the most unenthusiastic NATO members around, would agree to a plandemic that would ravage their country beggars belief. Imagine U.S. intelligence officials trying to sell this to Western Europe in October: “we can kill some Iranians. It’ll be great!” Uh, no.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Anon
  32. Sparkon says:
    @jsinton

    You should glean a better understanding of the vague terms you throw around.

    You say

    There is no virus which is close to the COVID-19 that can be found in the wild.

    What does “close” mean in this context. Who defines “close”?

    This article’s subtitle is

    SARS-CoV-2 backbone genome closely resembles that of a bat coronavirus

    This paper says

    Here, we report a novel bat-derived coronavirus, denoted RmYN02, identified from a metagenomic analysis of samples from 227 bats collected from Yunnan Province in China between May and October 2019. Notably, RmYN02 shares 93.3% nucleotide identity with SARS-CoV-2 at the scale of the complete virus genome and 97.2% identity in the 1ab gene, in which it is the closest relative of SARS-CoV-2 reported to date.

    COVID-19 coronavirus epidemic has a natural origin

    [my bolds]

    Where I come from, 93% and 97% similarity would qualify as “close,” if not “darn close.” Most of the papers from reputable sources I’ve seen conclude that SARS-CoV-2 is natural in origin.

    As such, these data are strongly suggestive of a natural zoonotic origin of SARS-CoV-2

    — Zhou, Chen, et al

    “They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution,” Goulding adds, “ending any speculation about deliberate genetic engineering.”

    — Scripps Research Institute

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  33. Biff says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    That’s not a disease then if there are no symptoms.

    Technically that is correct. Acquiring a pathogen is not a disease – your bodies’ reaction to it is.

  34. Iris says:
    @Bragadocious

    The idea that Spain, maybe one of the most unenthusiastic NATO members around, would agree to a plandemic that would ravage their country beggars belief.

    You are confusing the country and its Deep State intelligence services. There is little doubt that European IS, who happily cover up ever more murderous false flag terror attacks, will have no hesitation taking part in a NATO-sponsored biological war.

    The PTB’s are the same everywhere in the West; they give two hoots about the people.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  35. Michel__ says:

    I think there may be an innocent explanation:

    It’s not China that only learned about the problem in January, but the Chinese central government. I could easily imagine that the local government, and even more so the local business community knew there was a problem much sooner, but that the local government- be it city or provincial – tried to cover it up and hope it would go away for a few weeks, especially if the alternative was having the central government take control and make scapegoats of a few leading officials whose lives would be destroyed.

    As I understand it, problems in China are habitually concealer from the central government for as long as possible.

    If the US consulate in Wuhan was minimally competent, they would have learned about this and all but certainly had orders to immediately forward the news to analysts in Washington who track epidemics.

    You argue that knowing about it early on suggest involvement; one could just as plausibly argue that they would have keenly wanted to pretend they didn’t notice anything if they’d been involved.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
  36. @Anonymous

    Ron Unz offers a concise but powerful argument of potentially earth-shaking import. The first comment is an irrelevant twenty-year-old ad-hominem: “Ron is less interested in trivial things than ‘normal people’ are!”

    Since the CIA issued its “call them ‘conspiracy theorists’” memo to its presstitutes during Jim Garrison’s JFK investigation https://www.globalresearch.ca/conspiracy-theory-foundations-of-a-weaponized-term/5319708 the ad hominem has become the go-to method of countering irrefutable but dangerous arguments.

  37. Wade says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I agree. My only disagreement with Ron (or at least his earliest treatments of our Deep State’s role in the origin of COVID-19. I’m not sure how he feels about this now), was his assumption that the blow-back into the US was unintentional and our poor response was completely unintentional, resulting in unfortunate lockdowns that ruined our economy which our Wall Street connected Deep State would never have wanted.

    How could they not have expected the virus to spread the world over, including here? With the WEF’s “Great Reset” campaign, the WHO, CDC and Gate’s foundation wanting to vaccinate the world, contact tracing (Patriot Act 2.0?), etc.. it appears to me that the virus is a gift that keeps on giving to the intel community and their private sector allies.

    The intel community must be reasoning “Sure, the US’s response to this health crisis in comparison to China will embarrass the nation, but what better way to bring ourselves to parity with the Chinese in this regard other than instigate and allow a public health crises to engulf America?”

    Wall Street must be secretly thinking “Sure, this financial crises caused our stock prices to drop, but we were heading for a financial crises anyway. Now we can restructure our debt and write things off under the cover of a global pandemic and a very generous monetary policy will bring our stock prices back up in due time. We will have forestalled countless congressional hearings and news stories that point to our malfeasance by diverting all these energies to the pandemic.”

    Am I over-exaggerating to say that this has been a big win-win-win for Big-Intel, Big-Data, Big-Tech, Big-Pharma and Wall Street?

    Yesterday, I noticed that the latest iOS upgrade on my phone has added “COVID-19” tracking functionality to my phone without my realizing that it happened. Right now it’s disabled, but in the event that they take away my ability to keep it disabled, I may downgrade to an older version of the OS.

    On further reflection, I believe our Deep State was fully prepared for COVID.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  38. @Iris

    Try thinking this through to the logical end game.

    If Spanish and Italian intelligence went along with this and it got out to the people that their governments had willingly murdered 70,000 old folks in the service of a Jewish neocon hit on Iran, there would be hell to pay. Lawsuits, demands for compensation; NATO would fracture. Remember Spain pulled troops out of Iraq after their subway attack? You think their government doesn’t feel pressure from its citizens?

    Also, much of the European press is already anti-American and has been for decades. If anyone would like to blame America for this, it would be Europe. But they aren’t. Why isn’t this wild theory getting huge play in Europe? Claiming IS are controlling the press isn’t an argument btw.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Mark Hunter
    , @Robjil
  39. @Anonymous

    Thank God for Ron Unz, someone who’s intense focus is on promoting fact-based policies for improving the lives of his fellow citizens and on fighting those policies that diminish their lives and weaken the nation. Mr. Unz often performs another salutary service by revealing the malefactions and depredations of our “elites”, our ruling and political classes, and their enabling lackeys, e.g., the all too often “fake news” MSM.

    Today, based on his contemporaries’ descriptions, we would characterize Socrates as a slob, possibly a high functioning victim of Aspbergers Syndrome, utterly indifferent to the quotidian concerns that animated the lives of most fellow Athenians. Should he too be dismissed as a schizophrenic?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Sollipsist
    , @W Baker
  40. @Michel__

    You make a good point. It might well be that local Chinese officials attempted a cover-up while US agents in Wuhan noticed something was going on, collected and collated intelligence, and reported their findings to higher ups. It’s also possible that SARS-COV-2 was an experiment that or an accident that somehow escaped from the nearby viral research laboratory, already notorious for its reckless experiments and unsafe containment procedures.

    I doubt we’ll ever know the whole truth. The world’s many deep states excel at burying their many misdeeds and mistakes. But speculations such as Mr. Unz’s and these should be made and addressed as part of on-going attempts to discern the truth behind the lies.

  41. SafeNow says:

    I subscribe to the WSJ. I also watch the WSJ Editorial Report every weekend. Being familiar with the WSJ, I offer my view of why the essay-described facts were omitted. An example from the WSJ editorial page just a few days ago captures it. The editors began an editorial critical of a Democrat false narrative by analogizing it to “grassy knoll” JFK-assassination theorists, who are an “embarrassment” to Republicans. The synecdoche of “grassy knoll” was thus deployed, quite gratuitously, to denounce those who are open-minded to reasonable thinking that challenges official explanations of events. While the editorial page is theoretically separate from the news division, I believe both have an inordinate fear of being branded as “conspiracy theorists.”

  42. Mr. Unz,
    I respect you very much for your patriotism, your excellent use of language and your penetrating insight into our political, social world.
    I have a slightly different perspective of how you should view some people, some groups, and some countries.
    Jews, generally speaking, control our governments; somebody has to and that group is highly educated and capable.
    There are good Jews and bad Jews.
    I think that you and most writers on the Unz Review team, are good Jews.
    So, there are 2 major groups of Jews in Wash. D.C.
    Trump was elected by the good people, good politicians and good Jews of America.
    He is not perfect, but was a better choice than Hillary the Terrible.
    Naturally , the bad Jews were sure Trump rigged the elections because the bad Jews themselves rigged the election and those bad Jews could not fathom how Trump could have been elected with all of the rigging by the bad Jews. Therefore, they projected their own vices upon Trump.
    So what we have is a “war against Trump; against democracy, capitalism, etc.” by one faction of Jews against another faction of Jews.
    There are good “deep state controllers” and bad deep state controllers.
    They exist in all “departments of state”.
    Trump must be careful because if he started to roust the bad controllers too quickly , he would catch a few but many,being forewarned, would escape, naturally.
    The bad Jews also are supportive of communism.
    That was explained by Freeman (circa 1961) and also Finklestein ( circa 2000+), both of whom are good Jews. That is also why many Jews supported Russian communism when it emerged.
    We, patriots, are still fighting that communistic ideology which pervades the anti-Trump groups.
    So, please do not blame Trump for what is perceived as “governmental or leadership shortcomings or plots” regarding the Corona Virus “pandemic.” It is part of their ways and means for removing Trump.
    The bad people, against Trump, regardless of ethnics, are still continuing their efforts at removing Trump. I read that he had more than 25 assassinations against him to date.
    Where do those come from? Not from the good Jews or other good people of America.
    So, please realize the difficulty of the situation. It is extremely deep in terms of anti-trump haters.
    Is it very important to mention “good Jews and bad Jews”? Yes.
    Is it very important to mention “good Christians and bad Christians? Yes.
    Why? The reason is because each group of people think that they are “right, correct, morally and culturally superior, etc.”
    In contrast, we must remember that there exists good and bad in every person, culture, country and in every group.
    We must learn to reject the bad and retain the good no matter which group advocates something.
    “Out of the mouths of the fools can come words of wisdom , and out of the mouths of the wise can come words of foolishness. CL. ”
    Let us deal only with their words; their linguistic logic, regardless of their race, culture, creed, etc.
    So, please Mr. Unz , try to perceive the good that is being done by Trump and openly praise it.
    Yes, you can point out the bad also. Naturally.
    Your sincere admirer,
    Charles L. Labianco
    Age 75

    • Agree: jsinton
    • Replies: @Druid
  43. @Jus' Sayin'...

    A worst case scenario is that the USA’s deep state displayed a satanically immoral and idiotically stupid role in facilitating, if not creating, the spread of SARS-COV-2 among all of humanity.

    Where there are worst-case scenarios, there are also best-case scenarios, right?

    (I’m kinda just sayin’).

  44. @Anonymous

    Neil Diamond? That IS disturbing 😀

    OK, I’ll admit a respect for his talent and career, and even a soft spot for the early moody stuff — Girl, You’ll Be a Woman Soon, Solitary Man — but if it’s anything from The Jazz Singer soundtrack or later, please don’t tell me 😀

    • Replies: @Druid
  45. Sparkon says:
    @jsinton

    If you want to engage in discussion, I think you need to do better than just throw out a link. If your man has some nuggets of wisdom that refute anything I said, then kindly paraphrase or quote the passages you think prove me wrong.

    In any event, just on the face of it, Zero Hedge is not a reputable scientific or medical source, and a renowned EU scientist is just one man. Let’s face it, there are some crackpot theories going around about SARS-CoV-2, but the consensus among reputable scientific organizations is that the novel coronavirus responsible for COVID-19 arose naturally.

    Perhaps you’ve forgotten, or missed it, but there were several lengthy articles and long-winded discussions at UR about this very point.

    So far, I’ve seen nothing to rule out the entirely natural evolution of SARS-CoV-2, and I’ve read many credible articles and papers arguing against the possibility it was engineered in a lab, despite what the excitable set thinks, here at UR.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  46. @Jus' Sayin'...

    To be fair, Socrates wasn’t overwhelmingly popular with his contemporaries… hemlock has a hell of a kick, but on the good side: no hangover.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  47. For forty years I carefully read the New York Times in hard copy each and every morning, eager to discover what had transpired since the previous day. But just in the last few months, my commitment has begun to flag,

    So it’s only “in the last few months” that Ron has realized the New York Times is toxic fake news? That admission seems to be disqualifying as to the credibility of anything that follows.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Mark Hunter
  48. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Franz

    Would you allow your children into the filthy, unfurnished home of a man who looks like this?

    Ron Unz is not only a lifelong bachelor, but has had a peculiar interest in children in his public policy initiatives:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_for_Children_(Arizona_Proposition_203,_2000)

    https://i.insider.com/5745b59552bcd022008c4fec?width=1100&format=jpeg

  49. @Kevin Barrett

    The MSM must quash conspiracy theories so that people aren’t distracted from the real issues.

    For example: Russian bots controlling our elections; Ukrainian quid pro quo phone calls; Trump’s theft of mailboxes; CIA “assessments” of Russian “bounties” on U.S. troops; Boogaloo Bois in Hawaiian shirts. And, of course, the invisible force-field of “systemic racism” that forces blacks to commit crimes and fill in the wrong bubbles on their SATs.

    These are the real stories. Stay focused.

  50. they documented that the Chinese government only learned of the Wuhan outbreak at the end of December

    Cellphone traffic indicates that the Wuhan Corona lab was mysteriously shut down in October. Pretty incredible that they managed to pull that off without China noticing.

    https://nypost.com/2020/05/09/cellphone-data-could-indicate-october-shutdown-at-wuhan-lab/

    This conspiracy theory is mighty weak sauce.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  51. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    My late immigrant working-man father greatly admired Senator Taft for his disdain of sartorial elegance. I’m sure he would have felt likewise about Ron!

  52. SafeNow says:
    @Sollipsist

    Thanks for bringing Socrates into the discussion. Ancient philosophy is interesting, and, discussing it will make it harder for this webzine to be canceled, a process that has already begun. Pictured is a student of Socrates, Aristippus. Aristippus is noted for the philosophy of enjoying life. This is a current issue I think, because the Democrats are so darn severe and angry, into NOT enjoying life. They said at their convention that Trump is darkness and they are light, but it is exactly the opposite. It is the Democrats who are interested in irresolvable conflict, smiles not accepted.

  53. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    WSJ is a little more objective than the NYT. I also find their articles more substantive. I used to subscribe to the Times and The Economist. Since 2016 I found both increasingly unreadable. Now I only subscribe to and read the WSJ. My favorite columnist on it is Kim Strassel. In some ways the paper is still “controlled opposition” like Breitbart, though not as obnoxious or sensational. Walter Russel Mead is my least favorite columnist in the WSJ, a real Ziocon puppet. Totally unreadable. He and Peggy Noonan are the two resident Never Trumpers on the Journal.

    Reading the NYTimes every morning had been a morning ritual for me for over two decades, until 2016. Since then it’s been supplanted by the WSJ. Still, I have read far too many pro-immigration articles in the Journal to call it a good paper. It is just another elitist, pro-business employer, pro-globalization paper.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Patricus
  54. Dan Hayes says:
    @Biff

    Greg was a charter member of McCain’s “We Are All Georgians” Brigade!

  55. @Sparkon

    I don’t have any expertise in virology, but I do understand logical fallacies and the slippery uses of language. On that basis, I can conclude the cited paper is junk even if all of its science is 100% correct. Here’s the supposedly airtight case against lab manipulation:

    This evidence for natural evolution was supported by data on SARS-CoV-2’s backbone — its overall molecular structure. If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness. But the scientists found that the SARS-CoV-2 backbone differed substantially from those of already known coronaviruses and mostly resembled related viruses found in bats and pangolins.

    “These two features of the virus, the mutations in the RBD portion of the spike protein and its distinct backbone, rules out laboratory manipulation as a potential origin for SARS-CoV-2” said Andersen

    In short, the paper’s conclusion is not based on science at all, but rather on speculation about the imagined intentions and motivations of hypothetical people.

    It’s a truism in science that “absence of evidence, is not evidence of absence.” But here they conclude that absence of certain obvious manipulations somehow proves that no manipulation could possibly have occurred. It’s like a scientist opining that Epstein must have committed suicide because a murderer would have found it easier to just shoot him in the head. So case closed.

    In reality, it could be that the virus was not designed to be a “pathogen” at all, but just a science experiment for benign research purposes that escaped from the lab through negligence. At the other end of the spectrum, a truly sophisticated pathogen design would have deliberately chosen a seemingly “irrational” design precisely to hide its human origins from the analysis of such naive “experts.” Or, maybe the virus was engineered by a relatively incompetent mad scientist who used a more difficult method than he needed to. I assume that not all mad scientists are geniuses.

    Bottom Line: I have no opinion on whether covid was made in a lab. But appeals to authority based on fake science “studies” are just a pet peeve of mine.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  56. Ron Unz says:
    @Michel__

    It’s not China that only learned about the problem in January, but the Chinese central government. I could easily imagine that the local government, and even more so the local business community knew there was a problem much sooner, but that the local government- be it city or provincial – tried to cover it up…If the US consulate in Wuhan was minimally competent, they would have learned about this and all but certainly had orders to immediately forward the news to analysts in Washington who track epidemics.

    I’m very skeptical of that alternate hypothesis, based upon the timeline.

    We already know that the first recorded death in China was January 11th, and according to the detailed WSJ investigative report, China had only detected 25 suspected cases of infection in Wuhan by December 30th, which is quite consistent. Thus, although the outbreak probably began in October or November, it was initially too small to be noticed. Remember, we’re talking about an entirely new disease which had symptoms that would easily be mistaken for something else and for which no test yet existed.

    Given these facts, it’s certainly possible that the local authorities began to suspect the existence of some new illness by mid/late-December, but extremely implausible that would have been the case a month earlier in November. However, our own DIA had already prepared and distributed an intelligence report by that point describing a potentially “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan. So the DIA was apparently aware of the outbreak almost from the moment it began but well over a month before anyone in China understood what was unfolding.

    I’m sure our spies are good, but is really plausible that they would a better idea of what was occurring in Wuhan than anybody in the Chinese government? Wuhan isn’t exactly Beijing or Shanghai or Hong Kong, and I really wonder how many spies we normally have on the ground there.

    It’s also important to remember that Wuhan had just hosted the International Military Games in late October, in which 300 American officers participated. As noted by the WSJ article, this was almost exactly the point at which everyone now believes that the Covid-19 outbreak originally began. Obviously, the presence of many thousands of foreign military officers, doing lots of sightseeing, would have been an ideal opportunity to secretly release a biological agent in that location. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, if 300 Chinese military officers visited Chicago, and soon afterward there was an outbreak of a mysterious new epidemic disease in the Windy City, what would Americans think? The exact coincidence of timing seems quite remarkable.

    Also, how does your alternate hypothesis explain why Iran was almost immediately also hit by a severe outbreak of Covid-19? That outbreak particularly targetted the top Iran political elites, killing quite a number of them. Across the entire world, the Iranian political elites have been the hardest hit, and they were hit before any other country except for China had even had a significant outbreak in the general population.

    Intelligence operations obviously involve use of a great deal of “chaff” and disinformation in the media, which is why so much of everything we read should be treated with great caution. Therefore, I tend to focus primarily upon the most basic and objective factual information, such as the apparent existence of the DIA report, the approximate date of the Chinese outbreak, and the Covid-19 deaths of the Iranian elites. There are just too many coincidences to be plausible, and I discussed all of this in my long April article:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    There are some other “intriguing” patterns as well. As most readers know, for years our webzine has been publishing a great deal of *extremely* controversial material, but we never had any problems with Facebook or Google. Yet just days after I released my Covid-19 analysis, we were suddenly banned by both those Internet gatekeepers. Maybe a coincidence, but maybe not.

    Similarly, my own articles in the American Pravda series have often covered *exceptionally* controversial topics, even including those that might get me imprisoned in much of Europe. Yet glancing over this comment-thread, I noticed I’d attracted some unusually nasty and personal insults from one particular “Anonymous”, who immediately jumped in and seemed very eager to get readers to focus upon my dietary habits and such, thereby perhaps distracting them from my analysis of the likely origins of America’s gigantic ongoing Covid-19 disaster.

    Offhand, I think a disease that has supposedly led to the deaths of around 200,000 Americans and massive unemployment is more important than whether I used to eat at Burger King 20-odd years ago, but he apparently hopes many readers will feel otherwise. One might speculate as to his motives and his background. Maybe this is another coincidence, but maybe not.

  57. C’mon Mr Unz. Now way did the WSJ miss the intelligence reports in November out of China. That is deliberate reporting. Yeah they might be better than the Times — but Murdoch and the WSJ have their agenda too

  58. jsinton says:
    @Ron Unz

    I agree. Lots of trolls on this board that will attack you ( and me) personally, but don’t offer any substantial rebuttal. Very suspect.

  59. d dan says:
    @Michel__

    “It’s not China that only learned about the problem in January, but the Chinese central government. I could easily imagine that the local government, and even more so the local business community knew there was a problem much sooner, but that the local government- be it city or provincial – tried to cover it up and hope it would go away for a few weeks, especially if the alternative was having the central government take control and make scapegoats of a few leading officials whose lives would be destroyed.”

    Yeah, sounds about right. Yet another first-time commenter appearing at the right time to put up yet another variant of “Chinese cover up” spin. At least you have to admit that the central government did not lie, and it is not the wet-market, not the bat-soup drinking, …

    If the local government lied, there should be at least hundreds, if not thousands of Covid-19 cases by the time central government realized it in late Dec/ early Jan, shouldn’t it? If the local government covered up, the non-government staff and medical personnel should have voiced up by now, and the central government should have confirmed and punished those cover ups, shouldn’t they? Why didn’t all these happening – because the central government lies? So it is back to the original proposal: that the central government lied in order to enable the local government lied.

    Try to square the circle, or circle the square – you just can’t make the whole story consistent.

  60. Sparkon says:
    @Hypnotoad666

    I do understand logical fallacies and the slippery uses of language. On that basis, I can conclude the cited paper is junk even if all of its science is 100% correct. Here’s the supposedly airtight case against lab manipulation:
    […]
    In short, the paper’s conclusion is not based on science at all, but rather on speculation about the imagined intentions and motivations of hypothetical people.
    […]
    Bottom Line: I have no opinion on whether covid was made in a lab. But appeals to authority based on fake science “studies” are just a pet peeve of mine.

    What you call appeals to authority, I call providing citations from credible sources to support my arguments. Expert opinion carries far more weight with me than the parroted bloviations of random yahoos on the Internet.

    I cited two papers, and there are many more reaching the same conclusion, that SARS-CoV-2 is entirely natural. Like it or not, that is the reigning scientific consensus at present.

    Speaking of slippery uses of language, I didn’t say it was “an airtight case,” nor did the Scripps researchers, but I found their logic to be sound, even if their language was clumsy enough to leave room for quibbles about it. Kristian Andersen acknowledges he can’t completely rule out the possibility the virus came from a lab, and thought for awhile it might have, but now he’s convinced that the virus arose naturally.

    Even Kristian Andersen, PhD, a professor in the Department of Immunology and Microbiology at Scripps Research Institute in La Jolla, California, and lead author of a research letter published Mar 17 in Nature Medicine on the origins of the virus, first thought that COVID-19 was just as likely to have been accidentally released from a lab as it was to have come from nature.

    But that was before he learned more about COVID-19 and related coronaviruses, which have features already seen in nature. “There are lots of data and lots of evidence, as well as previous examples of this coming from nature,” he said. “We have exactly zero evidence or data of this having any connection to a lab.”

    And while Andersen, like other prominent virologists, says that he can’t completely rule out the possibility that the virus came from a lab, the odds of that happening are very small. He says the new coronavirus clearly originated in nature, “no question about it by now.”

    [my bold]

    The long and short of it is there was no justification, precedent, or logic for designing a virus like SARS-CoV-2 in a lab.

    COVID-19 is sufficiently unlike other viruses to have been created from them, and making a virus in the lab from scratch would be “virtually impossible,” said Stanley Perlman, MD, PhD, professor of microbiology and immunology and pediatric infectious diseases at the University of Iowa in Iowa City. “I don’t think we know enough about coronaviruses—or any virus—to be able to deliberately make a virus for release,” he said.

    https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/scientists-exactly-zero-evidence-covid-19-came-lab

    It is only in some of the more excitable corners of the Internet that the engineered coronavirus conspiracy theory has gained much traction.

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  61. gregor says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    Or in a similar vein, if it’s US-engineered and this can be surmised from published sources then surely Chinese intelligence has figured out what’s going on by now and this would be a casus belli if there ever was one. So one question that arises is, if this is true, why hasn’t China declared war? Or are they now plotting some sort of covert counterattack?

  62. lysias says:
    @Anon

    Does everything that the deep state does have to be approved by Trump?

    • Agree: Ron Unz, AnonFromTN
  63. SafeNow says:

    If memory serves, whenever Ron Unz writes about the US team’s participation in the World Military Games in Wuhan, he notes the city, and the dates, and he stops there. Ron does not mention the curious supposed facts and circumstances. I assume that Ron is aware of the additional supposed details, but is hesitant to lend credence to allegations he deems too murky, unsubstantiated or memory-holed.

    Specifically, the following: (1) absence of photos or video of the complete US team; (2) failure of several team members to compete; (3) illness of several team members; (4) extreme proximity of the team’s hotel to the wet market; (5) illness of many hotel employees.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
  64. lysias says:
    @Stonewall Jackson

    By killing the old and unwell, covid reduces government liabilities for Social Security and Medicare.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  65. Dan Hayes says:
    @Anonymous

    Evidently Ron Unz is the ultimate 1st Amendment devotee for allowing speculative vituperative trash against his person to be published on his own website. For permitting this, Unz is a better man than I!

    • Agree: Alden, Kali
  66. Ron Unz says:
    @Wade

    My only disagreement with Ron…was his assumption that the blow-back into the US was unintentional and our poor response was completely unintentional, resulting in unfortunate lockdowns that ruined our economy which our Wall Street connected Deep State would never have wanted…On further reflection, I believe our Deep State was fully prepared for COVID.

    Well, so long as both of us agree that the Deep State Neocons were probably the ones responsible for the gigantic disaster inflicted upon American society, I don’t see that it makes much practical difference whether they were incompetent and evil (as I believe) or diabolical and evil (as you believe). So I think we should agree to disagree on that point…

  67. utu says:
    @Timur The Lame

    “Would you trust any news that comes from…” – The idea that media and news could be trusted is relatively new. Media in the late 19th century and some countries still in the 20th century were always partisan and associated with particular factions and parties and while all of them claimed that they were telling the truth only their partisans believed that. The objectivity and impartiality of media was invented in America when it was discovered that the claim of impartiality and objectivity appeals to more people and leads to more subscribers and more revenue from advertisement sales.

    The surprise and outrage, real or feigned, upon the discovery that media are biased and that they lie is akin to naivety and ignorance of Monsieur Jourdain finding out that whole his life he spoke in prose.

    Well, what do you know about that! These forty years now I’ve been speaking in prose without knowing it! – Molière, The Bourgeois Gentleman, 1670

    On the other hand concluding that all media does is spreading lies sends one into the rabbit hole that has no exit.

  68. Ron Unz says:
    @gregor

    Or in a similar vein, if it’s US-engineered and this can be surmised from published sources then surely Chinese intelligence has figured out what’s going on by now and this would be a casus belli if there ever was one. So one question that arises is, if this is true, why hasn’t China declared war? Or are they now plotting some sort of covert counterattack?

    Actually, that issue came up several times during March and April. I don’t see how the Chinese could ever *prove* that the US was responsible, and anyway American controls the international MSM, which would report any Chinese claims would be treated as total insanity. And if the Chinese government publicly declared what had happened, obviously much of their population might indeed demand war, forcing the government to either look weak or start a conflict that would easily lead to nuclear war, with cities destroyed and maybe tens of millions dead.

    Anyway, the end result of the (likely) American biowarfare attack has been that China is doing fine, while 200,000 Americans have already died and our society and economy have been wrecked. So why would the Chinese feel they need any further retaliation? Here’s the analogy I used back in early March:

    Suppose two neighbors are feuding, and one of them has a psychopathic teenage son, who sneaks out late at night and starts an arson fire next door to “teach them a lesson.”

    But the victimized family smells smoke, wakes up, and using heroic effort puts the fire out with only fairly minor damage.

    Meanwhile, the fire spreads back to the teenager’s own house, and since the family is too lazy and incompetent to bother doing anything, the house catches on fire and burns to the ground, killing several relatives and leaving everyone homeless.

    Under such a scenario, wouldn’t it be more sensible for the attacked family to just quietly gloat a little and maybe offer condolences rather than to plot further vengeance?

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/arguably-wrong-potential-american-deaths-range-from-5k-to-5-million/#comment-3772963

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  69. @Anonymous

    Ron’s got balls, and how!

    I’m very impressed by the book, The Simple Life, by Vernard Eller. I think it outshines The George Bernard Shaw Vegetarian Cookbook, don’t you?

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  70. @Sparkon

    Expert opinion carries far more weight with me than the parroted bloviations of random yahoos on the Internet.

    Experts are authorities for the area within their expertise. But not for speculating about human intentions and behavior. For example,

    Shi Zhengli, PhD, director of the Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) lab in China relatively close (25 to 35 kilometers [15 to 22 miles]) to the Wuhan live-animal market at the epicenter of China’s outbreak, has extensively published the genetic sequences of isolates from the bat coronaviruses she studies.

    The article you cite says the actual cornavirus is not based on the exact modified coronavirus published by Shi Zhengli. That’s important expert evidence that (if correct) shoots down that particular origin theory.

    But after that valid scientific conclusion, Kristian Andersen just starts giving her gut feelings about what she thinks is “plausible.” She apparently doesn’t think it’s very plausible that anyone else in the whole country of China could have been doing the same type of virus modification as Shi Zhengli. But she also admits that naturally evolving a deadly species-jumping coronavirus isn’t very plausible at any given time either. In the end, she doesn’t actually have any scientific basis for deciding which of these two highly implausible scenarios is the most implausible.

    She plainly goes too far in saying there is “zero evidence” of human involvement. The fact that the virus just happened to emerge in the only Chinese city with a Level IV Biolab doing research on modified coronaviruses is certainly circumstantial evidence of such a connection. In fact, by that standard, you could just as easily say there is “zero evidence” of a purely natural origin since they have no proof of the natural origin at this point.

  71. Ron Unz says:
    @Sparkon

    The long and short of it is there was no justification, precedent, or logic for designing a virus like SARS-CoV-2 in a lab…It is only in some of the more excitable corners of the Internet that the engineered coronavirus conspiracy theory has gained much traction.

    This is exactly the reason I tend to avoid these sorts of scientific/technical arguments. We’re talking about a gigantic worldwide disaster, involving many hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. If leading Intelligence services are deeply involved, as I believe, they surely would have all the necessary resources to get leading experts to publish scientific articles supporting whatever position they desired. I’m not a top biowarfare expert, so I certainly can’t evaluate the conflicting claims, and I suspect that most of the commenters here are in the same situation.

    But setting aside my technical ignorance, let me raise one further point that a professor of microbiology made here a couple of months ago. Although it’s possible to produce deadly viruses by genetic engineering, that’s an extremely difficult method to use. A much simpler and easier technique is simply to use natural selection by running an initial candidate virus through human cultures for enough generations until you get roughly the properties you desire. Those articles you cited tended to argue against the first possibility, but not the second, and I think the authors assumed that most people wouldn’t realize that. I think this is correct, though given my lack of biowarfare expertise, what I’m saying may be a little garbled.

    • Agree: Peripatetic Itch
  72. Ron Unz says:
    @Ozymandias

    Cellphone traffic indicates that the Wuhan Corona lab was mysteriously shut down in October. Pretty incredible that they managed to pull that off without China noticing…This conspiracy theory is mighty weak sauce.

    I just explained in detail why I tend to disregard this sort of technical/scientific evidence in cases involving leading world Intelligence agencies and trillions of dollars:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/half-a-pulitzer-prize-to-the-wall-street-journal/?showcomments#comment-4119365

    Basically, NBC News and the NY Post publish stories revealing that some sort of secret private intelligence report indicates highly suspicious cellphone evidence regarding a Wuhan lab.

    Have any of us seen the report? No. Could some Intelligence agency have fabricated the report? Sure. If the report actually exists and is genuine, does it prove anything? Who knows?

    The whole Russigate Hoax was also based upon a secret intelligence report, and got 1000x as much coverage in the MSM. So why should we pay attention to this other secret report?

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Niels Larsen
    , @Ozymandias
  73. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Yes. As this doctor notes, the median age of the people who died allegedly of covid-19 thus far is EIGHTY in Italy, EIGHTY-SIX in Sweden, with elderly deaths also concentrated in nursing homes in NYC. Washington State, and other places:

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

  74. @Anonymous

    Oh come on now. That’s a low blow.

  75. utu says:

    The argument here is that the DIA unit that deals with biowarfare, i.e., National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) (1) was able to detect very early stage of the epidemic before China could and (2) that DIA felt compelled to issue a report and share it with NATO and IDF in Israel.

    The fact (1) strongly suggests that NCMI must have had a prior knowledge that the epidemic was seeded so they knew what and where to look for. There is an analogy with gravity waves detection: if you do not know how they look like you won’t be able to detect them in noisy signals. Or it is possible that in November/December NCMI did not detect anything yet but for some reason confabulated the report. What would be the reason?

    The question is why did they share this information that also proved that they had a prior knowledge with NATO and IDF? And finally why was the fact of the existence of the report leaked? Who benefited form the leak?

    Is it possible that that the release of Covid-19 was a shortsighted Mossad/IDF operation against Iran and China was selected to be the source and culprit and DIA report and its leak served for Israel as an alibi that Israel had nothing to do with Iran outbreak? Or is it possible that the operation was strictly CIA directed against China and upon receiving the report Mossad/IDF could not resist the opportunity to seed the epidemic in Iran?

    There are examples of DIA going against CIA and even sabotaging CIA operations like in Syria when Gen. Dempsey was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and gen.Flynn was in command of the DIA (see 2015 Seymour Hersh article in London Review of Books).

    • Replies: @Iris
  76. Getaclue says:
    @Sparkon

    From what I’ve read those “Scientists” pushing the “natural evolution” theory basically ALL (and/or their employers) have some link to the WuHan Lab (and dirt under their finger nails….) and thus if the truth emerges have some blow back coming their way which they (and their employers) are not interested in seeing — might be an incentive to obfuscate away? — Your statement as to finding it too hard to read a link in response to your argument takes away from any credibility you had also — laughable really — the source is clear and concise as to what is up and isn’t the only one saying this — attacking ZeroHedge (attack the source bs) is played out in this day and age of every major Mainslime outlet being little more than propaganda/lies 24/7– I suppose we need to only listen to valid Mainslime sources like the “Guardian” or NYSlimes — that lied about “Russian Collusion” for four years and has now put out the “1619 Project” pack of lies/slime — reputable folk like that?

  77. @lysias

    True. But all flu strains do that to some degree. Moreover, the evidence thus far suggests that the virus is about as lethal as a typical flu in some countries, on the severe end of a flu season in other countries, and not even as bad as other recent common flu strains in some places.

    In addition to the extremely high median age of this virus’s alleged victims — with thousands of the deceased concentrated in nursing homes in Italy, NYC, and Washington State inter alia — there is simply no evidence that this virus poses any risk greater than typical flu strains to people who are neither very elderly nor suffering a preexisting immune system or respiratory condition (and usually both).

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    • Agree: Alden
  78. Anon[106] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    What’s funny is, for some of us (I hope I am not the only one), those old comments may seem complimentary rather than derogatory (although I’d bet they were post with derogatory purposes).

  79. Pft says:

    “Earlier this month the Times carefully tabulated our national mortality figures and determined that our “excess deaths” from early March to the end of July had already exceeded 200,000, indicating that the American body-count from our Covid-19 epidemic was considerably larger than generally assumed”

    There certainly have been excess deaths. 40% of confirmed COVID deaths were in nursing homes. 99.8% of others are cured by their immune systems. The other deaths were due to lockdowns due to sick people being locked out from getting medical care due to cancelled appointments/surgeries and fear of going to ER during heart attacks/strokes. No doubt there were more suicides although many were not recorded as such because medical examiners could not investigate. Some of these deaths tested positive for the virus, but did not die of the virus or even have the virus (already recovered or false positive), but were counted as COVID deaths.

    The were also economic hardships during and after lockdowns. There is dated data (from 1981) showing a 37,000 increase in deaths for each percentage-point rise in the unemployment rate. It comes from a book called “Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation” by Barry Bluestone, Bennett Harrison and Lawrence Baker.

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    According to the study a 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate will be associated with 37,000 deaths [including 20,000 heart attacks], 920 suicides, 650 homicides, 4,000 state mental hospital admissions and 3,300 state prison admissions.”

    Multiply by 1.5 -2.0 to adjust for increase in population today. That would give you 500,000 excess deaths easily by the end of the year if the economy isn’t opened up. Many of those jobs are permanently lost so even that wont help much. This doesn’t even include the excess deaths from lockdowns (past and future). All this is the reason for the majority of excess deaths. Not all COVID

    Masks are also going to trigger heart attacks in the unhealthy since they lower oxygen and increase CO2 levels in lungs/blood. OSHA requires companies to provide employees with a medical evaluation to determine fitness for wearing masks on the job. They have waived that with COVID. Healthy doctors perform hour long surgeries with masks but the operating rooms are designed with higher air flows and higher oxygen levels to compensate.

    As. For China a couple of take home points

    1. China was in on the Pandemic planning in 2019
    2. China limited testing and was slow in confirming the novel virus and providing sequences
    3. The virus was circulating for up to 3 months in the densely populated city of Wuhan (12 million people including visitors) . Wuhan is a domestic and international transportation hub.
    4. The Wuhan lockdown occurred only after 2 million people left Wuhan for other provinces/countries for the Lunar New Year. If 2 weeks earlier who knows what happens.
    5. 90% of cases in China were reported in Hubei, which contains only 5% of Chinas population. Limited spread outside Hubei yet countries in Iran, Europe, and US had extensive spread in certain areas
    6. Limited spread in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan , California and Korea despite a tremendous number of residents returning from China as well as visitors in the 3 months it spread without lockdown in China
    7. In Taiwan they also had many returnees from US and Europe in February and March. No lockdown, no mandatory mask wearing beyond public transportation in March, no significant domestic spread beyond household contacts of returnees

    None of this makes sense. My theory is China is in on the Global Reset. They agreed to limited disruption by sacrificing Hubei to set a precedence for lockdowns to be used by their partners in the West. The Western Democracies required a heavier hand to generate more fear since they were culturally less inclined to conformity than in Asia. China also benefits from Technocracy having huge investments in Tech , 5G, Smart Cities, AI, Biotech Industry (Wuhans Biolake ), Social Credit Scores. Indeed one can say China is the model for the coming Global Technocratic Republic

    There probably is a virus, a non pathogenic virus. It may have been circulating for some time and was endemic globally . Call it something new, tell people its a killer, start testing for it, and provide numbers that rise with increased tests, lock down to reinforce the fear and cause excess deaths by economic deprivation, stress and lack of medical services, and when deaths stabilize relax lockdowns but increase testing to increase case counts and justify mandatory mask wearing and social distancing, keeping the fear going and keeping the real economy depressed until the second wave timed for the normal flu season which will be worse due to mandatory flu vaccinations in some settings that will cause more infections and vaccine side effects

    I find Timelines help see more clearly regarding China and US collaboration

    2019- September 2019 the Global Preparedness Monitoring Boards 15 board members issued their first annual report. Fauci and Chinas CDC Director George Gao are both on the board (as is Russia)

    In the report they state that by September 2020:

    “The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two system-wide training and simulation exercises, including one for covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen

    2019, October 18 Event 201 (following Crimson Contagion exercise in first half of 2019) which was also attended by George Gao

    2019-November 17, Retrospective studies point to this date when the first COVID-19 patient was treated in Wuhan. Virus may have been circulating as early as October according to one study

    2019 -December 29, the industry leader Huada Gene (Shenzhen, China) completed a case of gene sequencing, and the results showed that the virus and SARS gene sequence similarity was as high as 80%. On January 1, the company’s three sample test reports were reported to the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission.

    2020- January 5 . NCMI issues Infectious Disease Risk Assessment for COVID-19 , reporting that 59 people had been taken ill in Wuhan, China. This report was derived not from any sensitive intelligence collection effort or independent biosurveillance activity, but rather from a report issued to the WHO by the Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, dated January 5, 2020).

    A detailed investigation by the Joint Field Epidemiology Investigation Team, a specialized task force working under the auspices of the Chinese Center for Disease Control (CCDC), found that the COVID-19 epidemic did not originate by animal-to-human transmission in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, as originally believed, but rather human-to-human transmission totally unrelated to the operation of the market.

    2020- January 5, Zhang’s team isolated and finished the genome sequence of the then-unknown virus on January 5. Shanghai centre reported its discovery to the National Health Commission on the same day

    2020-January 7, China’s official announcement that mysterious pneumonia cases in Wuhan were caused by a hitherto unknown coronavirus.

    2020- January 10, Study showing flu vaccination increased risk of coronavirus infection. Published in Vaccine 2020

    Jan 11,2020-Professor Zhang Yongzhen’s team published the genome sequence on open platforms
    The team made the finding public on after it saw that the authorities had taken no obvious action to warn the public about the coronavirus.

    China’s National Health Commission announced hours after the release by Zhang’s team that it would share the genome sequence with the World Health Organisation. It later emerged that the information had been sent through the officially designated Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    Jan 12, 2020 the laboratory at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre was ordered to close for “rectification” , a day after Professor Zhang Yongzhen’s team published the genome sequence on open platforms. It closed temporarily the following day. The release of the data helped researchers develop test kits for the virus.

    January 13, 2020 Researchers at Moderna and the NIH choose sequence for an mRNA vaccine and began to mobilize toward clinical manufacture.

    January 13,2020 Former CDC director Julie L. Gerberding sold 102,000 shares of Mercks stock (she is EVP) .

    January 13, 2020, Agnes Buzyn, still France’s Health Minister, classifies chloroquine as a “poisonous substance,” from now on only available by prescription. An astonishing move, considering that it has been sold off the shelf in France for half a century.

    January 18, 2020 -After 16 consecutive days of no new cases being announced new cases explode as China changes diagnostic criteria to include symptomatic patients who had no contact with the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (basically just drastically increasing testing at a time of their convenience).

    January 23, 2030 -Wuhan locked down and quarantined. Other cities and provinces follow the next days when New Year holidays begin (how convenient). Millions were able to travel outside Hubei before the quarantine/lockdown

    January 23, 2020 the Shi Zhengli team published an article on bioRxiv preprinted version of the platform titled, “A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin.” The report proposed that the new Wuhan Coronavirus was derived from bats.

    On Jan 27th, Shi Zhengli submitted the registration information of RaTG13 bat virus referred to in her Jan 23 preprint article, showing that the virus was isolated from the feces of Yunnan horseshoe bats (chrysanthemum bat) as early as July 24, 2013. It was never mentioned in any of her previous papers.

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  80. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    Lol, when does US really care about NATO members. Don’t be naive.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  81. Alden says:
    @Bragadocious

    Europeans, especially the N W Europeans like to blame every bad or mildly unfortunate thing that happens on the US. You’re right, if there were any way to blame covid hoax on the US the Germans, Scandinavians French and British would blame America.

  82. @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz, I read Martin Armstrongs blog every day and have learned a lot. He has a global focus, and would never use the term “Pullitzer” the way you do. I just googled “Pullitzer armstrongeconomics” to find this:

    “Yellow journalism was created by the battle between Pulitzer and Hearst. They created the Spanish American War to sell papers. Pulitzer’s name was worthless. To rehabilitate it he donated money to create the Pulitzer Prize for good journalism, which he never practiced.” https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/press/why-has-everything-turned-sower-is-it-the-press-or-is-the-press-part-of-the-cycle/

    So if you also read him every day instead of all those lesser newpapers, you would think again before using the term “Pullitzer” in the positivistic sense that you do in your headline. Apart from Martin Armstrong, I would also recommend David Irvings website, and I think you will love all the sharp, witty and sarcastic comments from his hand, which accomplishes the stories that he links to: http://fpp.co.uk/online/

    • Replies: @Tor597
  83. Deadite says:

    Ron,
    John Batchelor mentioned this on his first day back on January 6th, with Gordon Chang, and both discussed how it had been discussed in Chinese medical circles as far back as late November.

    No need for another one of your patently anti American theories. There are enough true ones out there without painting the Chinese as saints. Including that Fauci helped fund the damn things development, a much more likely origin than the evil DIA.

  84. ThereisaGod says: • Website

    The germ and virus theories of infection are wrong. There is never any “infection” (i.e. viruses/germs do not invade the body from outside and make us ill. The bacteria we call germs and the “viruses” (which are not viruses but exosomes) are excrecences from our own cells sent our into the bloodstream to deal with the cause the body perceives is attacking it.
    Virus theory mirrors the fact that new/unfamiliar electromagnetic waves have been known for the past 400 years to cause the severe chest infections we call ‘influenza’. The clue is in the full original Italian expression, “Influenza Delle Stelle” (influence of the stars).

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    In the 1600s people realised that these infections occurred at times of maximum sun-spot activity (i.e. during electromagnetic storms occurring in the sun’s corona around the sunspots). that is why the illness was impossibly contagious sometimes hitting multiple continents at one. Influenza was cause by SOMETHING COMING INTO THE EARTH FROM THE SUN’S SURFACE. Natural philosophers knew this.

    EMF radiation makes us sick. Our rulers also know this.
    This is why the beautiful souls that populate the Intelligence Services could have attacked the Iranian leadership in Iran with wave-generators smuggled into the country inside Diplomatic Bags.

    Our rulers can make us sick whenever they please by transmitting a new frequency (in the 5G spectrum, say) into our neighbourhoods. There is a reason why there is an almost total Google/Facebook/YouTube forbidding of mentioning the health implications of 5G.

    One thing about EMF that is also known is that some people, for reasons poorly understood, are much less vulnerable to EMF transmissions than others.

    The genius, Rudolf Steiner said that the global roll-out of radio antennae was the cause of The Spanish Flu.He was surely right.
    Experiments carried out on volunteers who offered to be infected by Spanish Flu victims demonstrated that the virus/germ theory is false. The illness could not be transmitted from sick to healthy people.

    Read about one such experiment here:
    https://sci-hub.tw/10.1001/jama.1919.02610310005002?fbclid=IwAR1rTj45OYnzv0bktnmM2tea0XTArbS1eYHIGxIfpDNUyOAnoWmZ7RZKxNc

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  85. TKK says:
    @ruralguy

    Politics is one of those things people seem to crave, but never get a sense of relaxation from it.

    This is a fantastic, brilliant and troubling insight.

    I have a quiet good friend who has no TV, only uses his phone to sell things on LetGo and has no idea what is happening in the world beyond his garden and his dogs, and his elderly parents. As in- I had to tell him about the BLM riots, the Democrats propping up a dementia patient for President, and so forth.

    He is basically blissful. Has no interest.

    Perhaps we are fools to follow the machinations of these narcissistic transactional bores. None of these politicians even seem like they read.

    • Agree: Montefrío
    • Replies: @frontier
    , @ruralguy
  86. TKK says:
    @Anonymous

    But he has balls of steel and intellectual man chops to allow you to post that on HIS website.

  87. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Bragadocious

    Recall the propaganda technique of the Big Lie, a lie so colossal no one would believe that anyone could have the audacity to utter it.  (I understand the term is due to Hitler, who blamed the Jews for using the technique.)

    The Big Lie is in the world of words.  It has a counterpart in the world of action, where the monumental size of a crime acts as its own smokescreen.  The Big Crime is a crime causing such vast and inhuman destruction no one would believe that it was deliberate.  Considering the disaster, people are blinded by their own decency.

    This might explain why Europe’s mainstream press hasn’t run with Ron’s theory.  They don’t want to be perceived as unhinged “conspiracy theorists.”

    Nor should we lightly dismiss the idea that Europe’s mainstream press is as Pravda-like as America’s.

  88. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    I hope you’re being sarcastic. The official English referendum was the best thing that happened to Ca public schools since they began.

    One of the many unfortunate things about bilingual education was that Hispanic kids were forced into bi lingual Spanish English classrooms so as to create the system whereby every public teacher in Ca would be forced to be fluent in Spanish speaking, reading and writing.

    The bilingual system was intended to

    Force non Hispanic teachers out of public school teaching.

    Force yourself every child in Ca public schools to learn Spanish from kindergarten on so as to create a bi lingual state.

    Create a massive jobs program for native Spanish speakers, thus accelerating the transition of California to Mexico.

    Ron’s referendum to get rid of bilingual education helped the children of Hispanic immigrants learn English quickly and naturally despite the fact that parents spoke Spanish at home and used Spanish TV radio DVDs exclusively. So it helped Hispanic immigrant kids.

    Another thing a lot of furriners outsiders, non Californians don’t realize is that there are huge areas of the state with very few Hispanics and no reason whatsoever to learn Spanish.

    San Francisco half the population speaks Cantonese fukienese and mandarin. Los Angeles there are areas that are Russian, Hebrew. Armenian, Persian speaking.

    And everybody speaks enough English to get along. English, not Spanish is the lingua Franca or common language of California. Another point, many Hispanic immigrants only speak about 200 words of Spanish. They’re Indians and only speak their Indian language.

    Once bilingual Spanish English was established in schools, everybody else started whining. Some of the old American Japanese activists stopped whining about the WW2 detention and started whining about how they lost their Japanese language over the last 150 years because it wasn’t taught in public schools.

    Philippino activists who knew no Philippine languages began agitating. That degenerated into a quarrel about Tagalog, Lugano Cantonese

    It was a great thing Ron did. Now this mosh pit called California at least has a common language. And the Tower of Babel jobs program ended.

    At one point Los Angeles public schools taught in more than 150 languages. Or tried to.

    • Thanks: Ron Unz
  89. Alden says:
    @Michel__

    Local, even big city consulates don’t have spies, let alone medically scientifically trained spies. Their big responsibility is visas and representation. In fact, State keeps the spy organizations out of the consulates as much as possible.

    American, basically military and CIA spies usually operate out of import export companies. travel agents, journalist cover, English teaching, non profits etc.

    • Replies: @Poco
  90. Druid says:
    @Charles Labianco

    Or we can realise that we are living in greater Israel with the Jews on both sides of power! We have become irrelevant

  91. Druid says:
    @Sollipsist

    His words make no sense. Just written to rhyme in song. Stupid!

  92. GMC says:
    @Biff

    LOL Greg isn’t the only one. I was working in Crimea when the Georgians started to shell the South Ossetians and the Russian peacekeepers. My e mails from the states lit up and was told the same thing as Greg read. Get out G – the Russians might invade Crimea next , a few e-mails stated. I laughed and replied that the Russians are already here – They live here. lol There must have been every newspaper in the US , spewing its lies and propaganda about the so called ” Russian attack”. And still does – I suppose. spacibo

    • LOL: Biff
  93. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    The name of the wicked arsonist is none other than Dr. Anthony Fauci himself.

  94. I think this is the only comment I have ever made about the virus on UR. As always Ron presents a lucid argument but in this instance I wonder if the USA is being set up as patsy. It could also be argued that the military games and US presence in Wahun would have ruled this out as a release event because it so obvioulsy implicates the US. Exactly the same goes for the Iran outbreak. This seems way too obvious. The “smoking gun” could easily have been another set up deliberately leaked to the US intelligence agency. The combination of these three events seem clearly designed to fit up the US. I am not blaming China or the USA but simply pointing out that its easy to point the finger in the other direction.

    The murder of the Iranian general may also fall into this sequence but that too may not be what it seems i.e. the poor subjugated people of America are being coarsely manipulated by those who think she is only there to be used and abused.

  95. Tor597 says:
    @Ron Unz

    @Ron Unz there is a darker angle to consider.

    The elites in the US who released COVID in China wanted it to spread to the rest of the world including America. The idea was not only to damage China from the virus, but also to turn China into a pariah state. This is why Trump is so adamant about calling it the China Virus and why Trump reacted so strongly when that Chinese diplomat brought up the possibility it was an American virus.

    If you think about it, the elites have not suffered at all from covid. They are not dying off, they are getting richer by the tens of billions, and they are blocking an economic rival such as Huawei and Tic Toc.

    The only thing that confounded their plan was that China effectively stopped the virus, otherwise it would have been a major win for American elites.

  96. @Anonymous

    its almost like the guy cares more about his work and his country than being fashionable. go figure!

    • Agree: Polemos
  97. @Anonymous

    I notice you use the neologism “persucatory delusions”. Neologisms are also a feature of schizophrenia. You might therefore want to get an expert opinion on your own mental health. A differential diagnosis might in your case be borderline learing disability.

  98. Iris says:
    @utu

    The question is why did they share this information that also proved that they had a prior knowledge with NATO and IDF? And finally why was the fact of the existence of the report leaked? Who benefited form the leak?

    The Israel/NeoCon faction pushing for the “China did it” Covid narrative, to build up the case for future confrontation, against a more reluctant President Trump?

    It was easy to see that, in Europe at least, it was the most virulent Zionist mouthpieces, such as the Daily Mail, who were promoting this line of propaganda.

  99. @Anonymous

    The fact that Ron’s allows this type of personal attacks in the comments section of his articles boggles me.

    This anon should be dropped into a meat grinder.

  100. Tor597 says:
    @Ron Unz

    @Ron Unz

    What is your take on how committed the world is in finding the truth?

    Do you think the world will just accept the fluke once in a century outbreak theory?

    Or do you think the world will need to know who did it seeing how much damage it did to the world?

  101. @RonUnz,

    Ron Unz,
    In the link about the coronavirus in your comment It stated that you believe that Tiniamen Square Masacre was a western hoax. I realize that the government and media really do not have any credibility. Russia is not considered to be western media, and Russian intelligence sources must have verified the Tiniamen Square masacre since it has repeatedly been reported by Sputnik.

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201610161046377944-miao-deshun-released-from-prison/

    https://sputniknews.com/asia/201806041065069484-china-us-tiananmen-square-protest/

  102. @Anonymous

    In our friend’s defense, Burger King used to be good when the burgers were actually flame-broiled.

  103. gotmituns says:

    covid-19 is just the another jewish scam.

  104. Z-man says:

    As a young man I used to get the early edition, many ‘times’ free, before 10 PM right at the old Times headquarters off… you got it, Times Square. I stopped reading the NY Times print version about ten years ago when the Saturday edition went up to like $2 bucks. Then a few years later the internet version started getting cute and asking for money and that was the end of that. By that time I could get all the news I needed free on the internet and then CABLE.
    In the interim period I read the NY Post occasionally because I loved the jingoistic headlines and Page 6, which was usually on another page and the sports section… also their real estate section was good. I was a Daily News kid growing up but as an ‘adult’ I could see it’s shortcomings and graduated to the Times. When I became aware of Mortimer Zuckerman and then his ownership of that paper I never bought it again. Murdock is blatantly a Zionist tool but Mort is an actual serpent.
    I miss those nights when I used to get the Times ‘early’ with my buddies as we hung out in NYC but I really miss those summer Saturday mornings later on in life when I used to leave my family sleeping and walk to my local shop, get a coffee and then peacefully read the paper on my front steps or in the back yard. Ah life was good. (Grin)

  105. dimples says:
    @Sparkon

    Here’s an interesting article hypothesising that the SARS2 coronavirus fully gestated in the six miners who became sick in the bat cave in 2013, and then later escaped from the WIV. There are some unanswered questions such as why Batwoman Zenghli Shi pretended the miners were affected by a fungus.

    https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/a-proposed-origin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/

    The article includes a critique of the widely quoted Anderson et al Nature article, which is effectively a speculative effort masquerading as science designed to head off laboratory origin “conspiracy theories” at the pass.

    The suppressed article from Birger Sørensen and Angus Dalgleish is found in this link. They postulate a fairly long laboratory evolution for the SARS2 virus. It’s clearly a bit strong for the establishment fanbois to be printed in a journal.

    https://www.minervanett.no/files/2020/07/13/TheEvidenceNoNaturalEvol.pdf

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
  106. @Ron Unz

    I asked Mr. Unz this same, basic question quite a while ago, about a germ warfare attack with blowback, and his answer was the same, namely that American incompetence and bravado led to a big mistake. In fact, since my question, he has made blowback a theme in his writing about the subject. It makes me proud, because I am a very big fan of his.

    Well, sure, such a thing can happen any time humans are involved, not just American ones.

    Does Ron Unz really believe the Chinese possess leadership propensities superior to those of occidental peoples?

    Hey, this whole SARS-CoV-2 thing has been hyped to us all as worse than a turd in a punchbowl, but really, how bad is it? Drill down into that question before you start speculating about “whodunit.”

    And ask yourself: Cui bono? Not just about the virus itself, but about all the hype around it and the shutdowns and limits of personal freedoms.

  107. dimples says:

    Grammatical errors?

    “The endless villainies of his Luciferian ally Vladimir Putin have grown dull to my mental tongue.”

    should read “grown dull to my mental ear”?

    “Superb journalist resources unshackled by extreme “political correctness” allow an outstanding product, and this has certainly been demonstrated by the Journal‘s regular front-page investigative reports.”

    should read “unshackled from extreme political correctness” ?

  108. Bob says:
    @TG

    I have read almost everything Ron has written and have followed UR for years. Though I am a big fan, for a long time I have thought that Ron’s two biggest mistakes are: 1) trusting the NYT too much and 2) believing China’s Communist Party waay too much. His NYT mistake throws a Bayesian probability wrench into much of what be believes and how he formulates his opinions. Even worse, his ridiculous trust in CCP statements and data ruins virtually everything he says about modern China. Still a fan and hate to be negative, but the lack of good coverage in UR on the much higher probability that China did covid and not the USA is good evidence that something is off somewhere.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  109. dimples says:
    @Ron Unz

    R. Unz: “Intelligence operations obviously involve use of a great deal of “chaff” and disinformation in the media, which is why so much of everything we read should be treated with great caution. Therefore, I tend to focus primarily upon the most basic and objective factual information, such as the apparent existence of the DIA report, …”

    But the DIA report is not basic and objective factual information. It’s just a rumour of a report that may or may not have existed. The Pentagon denied its existence, not that that means anything. If the existence of the report was confirmed by official sources THEN it could be ‘objective and factual’ information. Or at least a candidate for such. Although yes, like most bureaucracies the US bureaucracy is massively incompetent, if the report was real surely bells would have rung somewhere. After all this is not a case of a bureaucracy deliberately looking the other way, such as in the lead-up to 911.

    From ABC News article:
    “Intelligence report warned of coronavirus crisis as early as November”

    “The Pentagon did not comment Tuesday, but on Wednesday evening following the publication of this report, the Defense Department provided a statement from Col. R. Shane Day, Director of the NCMI.

    “As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists,” the statement said. The White House National Security Council and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence declined to comment.”

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

    • Replies: @utu
  110. @d dan

    Like you, I am relying on memory but mine tells me that you have failed to remember two reporrted sequences of events.

    One is the sacking of two senior city or CCP officials over their failures with the Coronavirus.

    The other is that conscientious and observant medical people began to be concerned when there were actually very few puzzling new casses of pneumonia and began to discuss it on social media, at which pointt they were jumped on by the police and made to shut up. And the first one to sound the warning caught the virus and died! He is widely celebrated in China as a hero.

    • Replies: @d dan
  111. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with Mr. Unz’ theory is that it focuses on anecdotal evidence regarding the virus itself (when, where, how many…) Covid is nothing… the real thing is the worldwide cover up, the faked numbers, the false science propped by big pharma, the forced vaccinations, mandatory face masks (symbolic humiliation).
    It really looks like Mr. Unz’ handlers want him to pretend “covid is real”, at all costs. If you still care that your reader don’t see you as a limited hangout, Mr. Unz, get up to date with the program…

    • Thanks: DaveE
  112. Judging from the comment approvals, Ron gets up early.

    Too bad Duncan Donuts — or whatever — isn’t open.

    (I mean this in all kindness, as an insomniac.)

  113. @Ron Unz

    Ron , let there be no cheap pop-psych gibes about confirmation bias. Like any great counsel who can mount a brilliant case you can adapt to deal with inconvenient intrusions of alleged fact. Moreover, though it is not a flagrant case of your being judge in your own cause I acknowledge your right on this forum to express a proprietorial view about what constitutes unlikely coincidence or absurd speculation. But I do think you have fallen too forlornly in love with your own speculative assessments of probabilities.

    It is significant to me that you repeatedly refer to the DIA when you should have been carefully considering what can be known about the work of the National Center for Medical Intelligence particularly in relation to the Wuhan outbreak. It seems that the crucial work was done by that agency which had been excluded from the White House and lost funding under John Bolton’s short-lived regime. What do you do if you are a conscientious and ambitious head of such an organisation? You make the best of what you have and have access to. I have previously suggested the receiving of reports on sick military athletes and use of open sources. That is consistent with this report:
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

    So it, eventually, gets up the line into Trump’s daily briefing which the compilers already know faces two problems. One is that it could get them into trouble by delivering unwanted truths to Trump. The other is that he usually doesn’t read his briefings and pursues subjects that interest him gor the moment. Moreover, the excellent WGBH Fromtline program The Virus: What Went Wrong tells us that even Trump’s Secretary of Health Alex Azar couldn’t get to see Trump to warn about the virus until late January. The sacking of Wuhan officials and the suppression of the social media discussion of the surprising cases of pneumonia by the doctor who actually died of the disease makes it surely quite impossible to suppose that President Xi was being more reliably informed than Trump. Indeed the failure to stop the holding of the big party or departures for the Chinese New Year are fully consistent with China and the US both being affected by Murphy’s Law with no exceptions for stable geniuses at the top.

    I suppose the number of studies and warnings which should have kept the White House alert to more of the animal sourced diseases from China recurring might suggest something nefarious rather than merely incompetent but I suggest you don’t rely just on your own expert knowledge of Iran and its hierarch y to explain the virus’s impact on that country. Instead, I suggest you should at least consider what, from memory, was plausible stuff in the Frontline film. First, there were a lot of Muslim pilgrims from China. But, more relevant to the transmission of the virus (of which there appear to be myriad slightly different versions judging by reports in Melblurne of outbreaks being sourced to a particular hotel guard or particular extended family) there appears to have been a lot of high level substitution of Chinese services and sources of goods for those that American sanctions, affecting all its allies, have required. On top of that there are very unscientific attitudes amongst the theocrats.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  114. utu says:
    @dimples

    Israel TV Channel 12 expanded on ABC report and got their own confirmation from their sources in IDF.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/?showcomments#comment-3850576

    What is important is not that Channel 12 (in Israel) followed the ABC article but that it added an extra bit of information which was not in the original ABC article that the report was passed to Israel and that the IDF held a first discussion about it still in November.

    Fooling some ABC reporter by offering her Trump damaging leak that Trump knew but did nothing could be easy but getting a confirmation from Israel where presumably sources in the IDF had to be involved it does not seem as a simple get Trump operation.

    • Thanks: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @dimples
  115. Emslander says:
    @Anonymous

    It just shocks me that it’s taken so long for Mr. Unz to have recognized the worthlessness of the NYT.

  116. So the great Unz still believes in the Corona hoax?
    At least Sailer finally woke up!
    The article is premised on the NYT being a propaganda rag, and therefore our humble host has a flagging interest in reading it, yet he believes their assessment on the Corona hoax?
    I mean the NYT wouldn’t fudge any numbers, to support the narrative they’ve been over hyping for six months now right?
    They wouldn’t use bogus artificially inflated government stats to reinforce the narrative right?
    But our intrepid all seeing Mr Unz writes article after article, pointing out to us why our government cannot be trusted?
    Ok Ron. Still awaiting 10,000 words on the “political bankruptcy of Jewish nationalism.”
    Thanks as always for the great site.

  117. Have any of you guys watched the movie Contagion with Matt Damon recently? It’s based on a Michael Crichton book. So much of that movie seems absolutely prophetic. The virus was even supposedly spread to humans from bats in Southeast Asia in the movie! There’s quarantining, internet journalists who are dishonest and must be “shutdown,” people fighting over supplies in the supermarket, the entire nine yards, although the fictional virus is considerably more deadly than corona. It makes me wonder how much of our response to Covid is perhaps life imitating art. Or could this be some form of revelation of the method(for the conspiracy minded). Or is the official narrative perhaps uncreatively borrowed from this book? Or is just a really good piece of sci-fi?

  118. The astonishingly competent and just wowee amazing Chinese government can’t put these 2 pieces together and make a case against the States but, filtered through Unz vision, they all make sense

    🤦🏼‍♂️

    • Replies: @Iris
  119. How can we reform the dirty yellow rats of China from eating everything in sight which can cause terrible cases of mysterious illnesses? I guess there is no other way with the incorrigible except to bomb them back to the Ming dynasty!

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  120. So it was only recently that Ron Unz recognized that the NYTimes was blatantly lying? That in itself is an interesting admission.

  121. Trinity says:
    @another one

    The Whopper is definitely much better than McDonald’s Big Mac or Quarter Pounder, but I absolutely prefer Mickey D’s coffee over anything else out there. Hell, I even buy McCafe at the store to brew at home.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  122. Iris says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    The astonishingly competent and just wowee amazing Chinese government can’t put these 2 pieces together and make a case against the States

    Very respectfully, you are somewhat lagging behind in your information.

    The Chinese government did accuse both US CDC and government of covering up the real genesis of SARS-CoV2, and even of spreading the virus to China:

    Zhao (Foreign Affairs spokesperson) then tweeted, “the U.S. CDC director was caught red-handed. When did patient zero emerge in the U.S.? How many people had he infected? What’s the name of the hospital?”
    “It’s possible that the U.S. military brought the virus to Wuhan. The U.S. has to be transparent and make public its figures. The U.S. owes us an explanation,” he added

    https://www.voanews.com/science-health/coronavirus-outbreak/chinese-diplomat-accuses-us-spreading-coronavirus

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
  123. @Ron Unz

    Ron, you are calling attention to facts that are obviously extremely suspicious, if not outright smoking guns. Your interpretation is entirely sensible. But it raises the question: If US state actors attacked China with a biological weapon that they knew would cause a potentially “cataclysmic” outbreak in Wuhan, would they really announce the upcoming epidemic to European governments and Israel? And if so, wouldn’t Chinese intelligence quickly hear about it? (Israel has been known to steal US secrets and sell them to China, Russia, and North Korea—it’s part of their business model; and I doubt the Europeans could hear such a thing without informing the Chinese one way or another.)

    So China would have quickly heard what the US was telling its friends. Why would its response have been so slow? I suppose we can speculate that the top Chinese authorities might have determined that the best response would be to sit on the information, let the pandemic play out, and make sure COVID bounced back to the USA in a package marked “return to sender.”

    But that’s just speculation. As academicians always say, “more research is necessary.” Unfortunately the MSM isn’t interested in such dangerous research.

  124. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, when I was single and living alone the only thing in my fridge was beer, bottled water, and maybe leftover pizza, sometimes a couple of dozen eggs for protein consumption on the go. Sounds like a common scene in any single man’s fridge. As for the dirty bathroom, dust, and the mattress on the floor? Been there with the mattress on the floor but that was because of lack of money, but even as a bachelor back in the day, I didn’t do dirty bathrooms. I wanted the bathroom to be the cleanest room in an otherwise dusty and cluttered one bedroom apartment. Man, those were the happiest times of my life. IF only I could go back to that lifestyle again. Kept the mattress on the living room floor of a one bedroom apartment right under a large ceiling fan and slept like a baby.

    • Replies: @Truth
  125. Saggy says:

    But America’s intelligence operatives were entirely aware of what was happening from the very beginning, and began informing all our allies. This seems about as close to a “smoking gun” as we can ever likely to encounter in the annals of the murky world of intelligence operations.

    This seems so completely unlikely that for me to believe it would require first an explanation, that is, how did ‘intelligence operatives’ become aware of a disease outbreak that was invisible to the local medical authorities, that doesn’t compute for several reasons, #1 – ‘intelligence operatives’ don’t normally focus on medical issues, #2 – ‘intelligence operatives’ don’t normally cultivate informers in hospitals, etc. Second, it would require real documentation, that is the actual early reports, which would surely make for some very interesting reading. I haven’t seen them.

    And then, there is the dog that didn’t bark – why aren’t the strange cases of ‘vaping pneumonia’ in the US being retroactively investigated, also the cases of the US soldiers in Wuhan that came down with disease. Why isn’t antibody testing being used retroactively to determine if CV was present in the US early?

  126. @Iris

    No, that is not an accusation, nor does it present the “evidence” from here, nor is it from an important person, nor even an important part of their state-party apparatus.

    It is just some chancer feeding into the narcissism of Western conspiracy theorists for fun and trouble-making.

    • Disagree: Iris
  127. GMC says:

    After the USA dies, Who the F… Is going to even care about reading or listening to the Newsies or TV.? They helped bring the country Down.

    • Replies: @Truth
  128. frontier says:
    @TKK

    Yours and @ruralguy dilemma isn’t new, it’s been known since ancient Greece and it isn’t as simple as it looks. I won’t say more because Greeks’ attitude towards apolitical choice was decidedly rude by today’s standards.

  129. @Anon

    I’d flip that comment around.

    When do NATO members care about the U.S.?

    Alitalia kept flying all over the world (except China) even after Italy knew it had a serious problem.

    • Replies: @JRB
  130. Truth says:
    @ThereisaGod

    Thanks. Ive cobbled exactly this together, over the past two years.

    I’ve tried to share the info with doctors, nurses, and hospital administrators. They think I’ve lost my marbles…

    “Vy-russis are not communicable…boa..haw.haw.haw.”

    Small addition; some people feel that the natural immunity has to do with blood types, in particular certain negative ones. A lot of strange things do.

  131. Truth says:
    @GMC

    You’re reading and watching now…

    • Replies: @GMC
  132. Grisha says:
    @Franz

    Its not psychobabble at all, its pure bs. Nothing about Unz suggest a clinical diagnosis of schizoaffective disorder or schizophrenia whatsoever. In my experience very high iq persons often display odd traits including anti social behavior and lack of secondary interests.

    Schizophrenia is a serious and disabling condition – really unhelpful to throw around amateur comments like this.

    • Replies: @Franz
  133. Emslander says:
    @Trinity

    I absolutely prefer Mickey D’s coffee over anything else out there.

    McD vanilla milk shake is the very best. As far as the best hamburger and fries, I sometimes want to go back to California just to visit the In ‘n Out establishments.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  134. @Minnesota Mary

    Wow, Sherlock, a respiratory disease outbreak in a nursing home?(NOT a “retirement community”).VERY UNUSUAL indeed!!! I think you are onto something! Springfield, Virginia is “about an hour drive” from Fort Detrick? Washington DC is even closer, any “mysterious outbreaks” in DC? How about Frederick, Maryland? Frederick, Maryland is a five minute drive from Fort Detrick. Any “mysterious outbreaks” in Frederick, Maryland? No? Oh well not important. How about the city of Wuhan, China, site of The Wuhan Institute of Virology and its sloppily run BSL4 subunit? Any “mysterious outbreaks” in Wuhan? No connection whatsoever!!! Ridiculous!!! It MUST BE American military sneaking about Wuhan with “tiny vials or aerosol cans of SARS-CoV2”, it’s implacable!!!

    • Replies: @Amon
  135. Rob McX says:

    A weapon is ineffective or counterproductive if it risks harming those who deploy it. They need to be able to switch it off when it’s done enough damage. Unless US intelligence has a cure for COVID, it seems unlikely the virus came from its armoury. Or, if it did, these guys are far crazier than we thought.

    • Agree: Emslander
    • Replies: @frontier
    , @ploni almoni
  136. Tor597 says:
    @Pft

    Why aren’t there a similar amount of excess deaths in S Korea which is also in lockdown?

    Or Italy which has seen a substantial reduction in excess deaths.

  137. Truth says:
    @ThereisaGod

    I was so astonished by this post that I actually clicked to go back and read your canon; I rarely pay attention to names here, aside from a few of the regular suspects to whom I enjoy administering petit-torture. I quickly surmised that you are right on most things, which seem self-evident to the intelligent. The proof to this is that your posts probably average less than one response per, which indicates that the Unzista hoi-polloi probably can’t undertand what you have written. Kudos. I would rate you as one of the 3-4 most intelligent posters here; more intelligent than I, if only for the reason that you have avoided Unz Addiction.

    I will pay attention for now on.

    • LOL: Polemos
  138. Tor597 says:
    @Niels Larsen

    Martin Armstrong should stick to financial forecasting which he has taken a beating on during the corona virus.

  139. I do not think politicians can be blamed for anything. All guilt lies at medical professionals, Particularly Chinese ones. And also WHO. Regardless of how the virus become into existence naturally or created in lab.

  140. Tor597 says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Kevin, you are over thinking it.

    Of course the US would want to warn Isreal. The US is basically a client state.

    It makes perfect sense that America would warn its allies but not Russia, Iran, or China.

    As far as the risk of China finding out through Isreal, this doesn’t make any sense. Why would Isreal want to do that when they had plans on spreading it to Iran?

  141. Trinity says:
    @Emslander

    Never been west of Nebraska but I have heard of In ‘n Out, IF I am ever out that way I will be sure to give it a try. Hardees, or Carl Jr. as it is known out West, isn’t bad for burgers, better than McDonald’s who I consider the worst for fast food hamburgers. Moderate consumption of fast food here, moderation is the key, I usually eat clean 5 or 6 days a week and reserve a day or two to enjoy the cakes, pizza, pies, burgers, etc. All my blood work is fine so it must be working. hehe. I HAVE to have my sweets, big time sweet tooth. German chocolate cake, butter pecan and/or black walnut ice cream, banana pancakes, and Krispy Kreme vanilla creme doughnuts are my go to foods to satisfy my cravings for sweets. Still have all my teefers except for one back molar, so I’m good there as well. Also a drop or two of Bushmills or Wild Turkey tends to be a wonderful flavor enhancer to that GREAT Mickey D’s coffee once and awhile.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  142. @Ron Unz

    Could some Intelligence agency have fabricated the report? Sure.

    Absolutely they could have. But the problem here, Mr. Unz, is that your entire theory rests on the supposition that China wouldn’t lie about when they first became aware of their little disease problem. From your viewpoint, claims made by an intelligence agency should be treated with skepticism, but claims made by the Chinese government shouldn’t even be examined, just taken as truth. And that is absolutely absurd.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  143. @utu

    Not sure what point you are making. There seems to be little doubt that the National Center for Medical Intlelligence did a good job and other elements in the Intelligence Community did what they hoped would be at least enough to cover their arses. It would be lugubriously amusing to find that Bolton as well as downgrading Medical Intelligence also was involved, because of his lack of understanding of the area, in failure to make the President understand.

  144. gay troll says:
    @Minnesota Mary

    They probably had the vape-lung.

    If anyone cares to know, there was an epidemic of novel pneumonia going around the U.S. last summer. It had identical symptoms to COVID 19. It had an identical fatality rate. The CDC said it could not be tested for and could only be diagnosed by ruling out all known diseases. The CDC said it was not contagious despite causing immune responses like fever and diarrhea, and despite growing from 0 to 100 to 2500 cases in a few months. The CDC said it was “associated” with vaping, but never offered any evidence of a causal link. The CDC concluded by saying it was more strongly associated with black market THC vaporizers containing a Vitamin E additive, yet these associations did not account for all cases, and again no evidence of causality was ever provided. EVALI, as the CDC called the disease, peaked September 2019 and practically disappeared by January when COVID first entered public consciousness. Just as we have no evidence for what caused this disease, we have no evidence for why it disappeared.

    Also of note: 33 days before announcing the first cases of EVALI, the CDC shut down Ft. Detrick because a classified infectious agent or toxin had breached the new thermal decontamination system at its BSL facilities. Detrick did not resume full operations for almost a year.

    • Thanks: The Real World
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
    , @Polemos
  145. frontier says:
    @Rob McX

    Unless US intelligence has a cure for COVID

    Healthy young age and HCQ are both effectively cures, and also other drugs, can help make Covid a non-issue for a person with the proper resources. On the other hand, FDA fights tooth and nail to keep HCQ out of the hands of the targets, thus creating the necessary infection differential. All doctors take HCQ preventively… you can rest assured that their higher-ups do it too. The cure isn’t even a secret.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  146. @Minnesota Mary

    It would be interesting to do antibody and T-cell testing of survivors of that outbreak. But it would be hard to prove any covid-19 immunity was from that outbreak instead of from an asymptomatic case during this one. If there are any blood samples stored from those patients, that might prove to be a smoking gun.

  147. The stock market is up in part because:

    a) The Fed promises unlimited bailouts eternally. This announcement rocketed the market.
    b) The yield on Treasury bills is tiny.
    c) Cash is a bad ‘investment’ because of the inevitable inflation caused by the above.
    d) Gold is fine but it’s a non-productive asset.

    In short it’s stocks or nothing.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  148. fredtard says:
    @TG

    I read the WSJ daily for ~20 years, until 2015. I also listened to NPR while driving (oppo research).
    The topics covered by these two extremes in our narrow political discourse, our Overton window, exhibited considerable overlap: both Russia/China/Iran/etc. bad, both Israel good, both OBL did 9/11, and the “human interest” stories were often the same! Kinda like those local TV news montages where dozens of newsreaders mouth the same phrase verbatim.

    Distraction, diversion, division and disinformation, and not anything resembling harsh reality, appears to be the grand purpose of the one corporate/government script. There must be thousands of powerful people who can rationalize their disdain for the peasants by the naive credulity of ~85% of Americans. Our apparent willingness as a nation to swallow all this bullshit will probably only diminish when our living arrangements become completely untenable. Which may be pretty damn soon, judging by the pace at which dissenting voices are being silenced these days.

  149. TKK says:

    Until 2016, I used to read The New Yorker from cover to cover. I knew it had a liberal, identity politic, Negro worship sickness, but some of the stories were meaty and intriguing.

    It was their absolute refusal to cover Trump with any neutrality when I cancelled my subscription. Do I think Trump is a narcissistic privileged braggart? Of course. But Hillary Clinton is far worse. Obama has a Messiah complex. All career politicians are repellent.

    Week after week, the bias was so heavy against Trump that I could not stomach it.

    As Mr. Unz writes— he is reading over items.

    When I glance any alleged wrong doing of Trump, I don’t read it. I don’t believe it.

    If he actually does something egregious and vile, the MSM has gone so far into Crazytown in their hatred of him, I would be inoculated to any accusations against him.

  150. Anonymous[223] • Disclaimer says:

    This Coronavirus conspiracy theory is utter nonsense.

    Unz is like a detective showing up at the scene of a dead body and immediately declaring it a murder in order to blame someone he dislikes without actually providing any concrete explanation for how they could have done it.

    Unz publishes an alternative media webzine, as such sensationalism is his niche. As sensationalism brings the most eyes to his site Unz naturally seeks out sensational hypotheses to explain world events, some of which make sense and some of which don’t. Unz essentially falls victim to a positive reinforcement feedback loop. The more controversial and unique the articles that he publishes are the more attention they receive leading him to convince himself of more and more outrageous hypotheses. Many people may well want to hear that the US government is malicious and also secretly highly competent, but that does not necessarily make these things true.

    By not implicating Trump in what I’ll call here the Coronavirus Bioweapon Project (CBP), Unz implies that the US has a deep state, but neglects to elaborate on how such a deep state functions. You would think that for someone interested in conspiracy theories Unz would at least offer a hypothesis for how the deep state works, after all, if there is a deep state, clearly it would be directly responsible for a great many other conspiracies and could even be fairly regarded as the mother of all conspiracy theories. To debunk Unz’s hypothesis of a Coronavirus conspiracy theory let’s assume that a deep state exists. This naturally elicits the question, who leads the deep state? I think there are three likely answers to this question: an external cabal consisting of elites who use their power toward their personal economic gain, an internal cabal consisting of government officials who use their power to maintain US hegemony or a junta consisting of military officials who also use their power to maintain US hegemony. Of course if a deep state exists it could also consist of some combination of these three forces.

    The weakness of a Coronavirus conspiracy theory is essentially the same as that of 9/11 conspiracy theories in that it relies on too many moving parts all executing without a hitch and on no loose ends even being uncovered. Here is a list of the probable parties that would have to be in on the CBP in order for it to succeed:

    1.) Deep State Functionaries – The order to attack China with a bioweapon would have had to have emanated from the heads of the deep state and so the attack would have had to have served their interest in some way.

    2.) Technocrats – As the leaders of the deep state have general responsibilities it is unlikely that they would have directly managed the CBP and would have had to outsource the project to trusted technocrats somewhere within the state apparatus.

    3.) Bioweapons Developers – To create a bioweapon you would obviously need a team of highly skilled biological researchers.

    4.) Test Subjects – Here is where the Coronavirus conspiracy theory really falls off the rails. To create a successful bioweapon researchers would need to test the weapon to make sure that it was transmittable to and among humans, to determine its R0 and, most importantly, to determine its mortality rate and the cohorts on which it was most effective. In order to determine the effectiveness of such a bioweapon it would need to be tested in a highly isolated environment and among a wide variety of subjects. The development of a bioweapon would probably require several iterations of trials on test subjects. It is also likely that it would have a high mortality rate during some of these trials, making it difficult to find suitable test subjects.

    5.) Technical advisors – To effectively deploy a bioweapon the deep state would need to employ experts who could provide equipment and training to ensure the bioweapon arrived safely at its destination and that it could be diffused without detection.

    6.) Intelligence Agents – To find the best target for a bioweapon in a country the deep state would need to employ the expertise of intelligence agents. If such agents were unaware that China was more equipped to deal with an outbreak of an unknown virus than practically any other country due to their experience with the SARS outbreak and to be able to swiftly mobilize their economic resources in order to fight an unknown pathogen due to their manufacturing capacity and command economy they would not be very intelligent at all.

    7.) Field Operatives – The task of releasing the virus would have to be given to either military officials as Unz suggests or a Chinese agent working at the behest of the deep state.

    All totaled the development of a bioweapon would almost certainly require dozens, if not hundreds of people who would easily be able to infer that they were involved in the development and deployment of a bioweapon after it was released. I’m sure every single one of them would be totally fine with the fact that they were complicit in a conspiracy to kill hundreds of thousands of their most vulnerable fellow citizens and would keep silent for the rest of their lives. /s

    While Unz invokes the Coronavirus outbreak in Iran in support of his hypothesis there is a much simpler explanation for the fact that Iran was one of the earliest countries hit by the virus. Iran is the regional hegemon in the Middle East and has deep economic ties to China, a country that it is in close proximity to. It is far more probable that a contingent of Iranian businessmen simply brought the virus back with them on a business trip than that it was deployed by a secret agent in Iran. Unz’s hypothesis that Coronavirus was released by a special agent widens the scope of the CBP, making it even less believable. Not only that but it’s curious that Russia, America’s second most powerful geopolitical foe was nearly completely unscathed during the early days of the Coronavirus despite sharing a border with China and having even closer relations with China than Iran. What makes Unz’s hypothesis even weaker, however, is that as Coronavirus is not particularly lethal, hitting Iran with it wouldn’t have been nearly as strategically beneficial for the US as Unz imagines. At best some small number of replaceable aged Iranian politicians would have died, a development that was hardly going to meaningfully disturb the balance of power in the country and would, if anything, simply invigorate younger, more virile elements in the Iranian government.

    Another great weakness of Unz’s hypothesis is that if the US was going to meaningfully damage China with a bioweapon it would need one with a far greater mortality rate. Attacking China with a bioweapon having a mortality rate of something like 0.2 percent is like throwing a pebble against a Goliath. Imagine if the US prevented the virus from coming to its shores. As the Coronavirus primarily targets elderly populations, the segment of the population who are net dependents, if anything had Coronavirus been contained in China all it would have done would have been to give China a strategic advantage by increasing its long term economic productivity.

    Unz compared the Coronavirus Pandemic in the US in a recent interview to Chernobyl, essentially arguing that it is likely to greatly diminish American prestige internationally. If what he claims is true, then it is likely that China’s prestige will increase significantly as a result of this pandemic as China will be rightfully viewed as a superior model for developing and even many developed nations. What Unz is essentially saying then is that America’s deep state is competent enough to pull off the development and employment of a bioweapon without a hitch, but is at the same time too stupid to realize that doing so would greatly diminish America’s prestige and place it at a major strategic disadvantage. I simply don’t buy it.

    Let’s say for a second that Unz’s hypothesis was correct, I think he would be wrong to suggest that the deep state wouldn’t have intended to kill a significant percentage of the American population and use Coronavirus as a pretense for shaking up the American system to be better equipped to compete with China. While hundreds of thousands of citizens may have died due to Coronavirus, this population consisted of net dependents, meaning that America would be economically more productive and thus more competitive in the long run by culling them. Comment #97 offers additional motives for why America may, if fact, have been the main target of CBP.

    Unz is a boomer and as a boomer he can’t help but cleave to the idea that America is still the world’s dominant historical force. He wants to believe that the America he once knew is still powerful enough to achieve great tasks even if those tasks are malicious in intent because he doesn’t want to accept that America’s best days are long behind it and that the country has lost its capacity to achieve such tasks long ago. Boomers cling to conspiracies because they simply can’t bring themselves to accept that America is a rapidly declining empire awaiting a violent coup-de-grace and that they, more than any other generation save perhaps the worst generation, are responsible for this reality.

  151. @Wade

    Apropos your iPhone, the settings may indicate that something is disabled, but how do you know it is?

    Smartphones are the work of Satan. I have a Nokia dumbphone, for emergency calls only, and since I do not care to expose myself to unnecessary EMF, I normally keep it turned off. Orwell would have been astonished to learn that less than 70 years after his death people would be buying their own telescreens and paying Big Brother to spy on them!

    https://ehtrust.org/key-issues/cell-phoneswireless/cell-phones/

  152. Agent76 says:

    Aug 20, 2020 The Case For Lockdowns, Masks, School Closures, ‘Distancing’ Has Just Collapsed

    The whole narrative is falling apart. New studies every day are proving beyond a doubt that the measures taken worldwide – with a few exceptions – to “fight” what they claimed was a “new” coronavirus have not only failed to slow or stop the disease, they have been counterproductive.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  153. JRB says:
    @Bragadocious

    Yes, the whole word was infected from out of Italy in February. The Italians were too incompetent to realize they had a problem since November. The disease was probably introduced in Italy with athletes returning from the military games in Wuhan around the 1st of November.

    • Replies: @Iris
  154. Poco says:
    @Anonymous

    You have utterly discredited yourself. Do you really think this garbage enhances any kind of argument you may make here when the object of your attack allows your vitriol to be published. Man, piss off.

  155. Ron Unz says:

    I think I should probably provide my own possible scenario of the story behind the outbreak. It’s speculative and people are free to substitute their own contrasting components, but I personally believe it best fits the available evidence.

    (1) Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare. The plan was to infect the key transport hub of Wuhan with Covid-19 so that the disease would invisibly spread throughout the entire country during the annual Lunar New Year travels, using the cover of the Wuhan International Military Games to slip a couple of operatives into the city to release the contagion. My guess is that only a relatively small number of individuals were involved in this plot.

    (2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon. Although Covid-19 has rather low fatality rates, it is extremely contagious, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and can even spread by asymptomatic carriers, making it ideally suited for that purpose. Thus, once it established itself throughout most of China, it would be extremely difficult to eradicate and the resulting efforts to control it would inflict enormous damage upon China’s economy and society.

    (3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

    (4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19. Anyway, since international organizations always ranked the US and Europe as having the best and most effective public health systems for combating any disease epidemic, they believed that any possible blowback damage would be very minor.

    (5) Only a small number of individuals were directly involved in this plot, and soon after the disease was successfully released in Wuhan, they decided to further safeguard America’s own interests by alerting the appropriate units with the Defense Intelligence Agency, probably by fabricating some sort of supposed “intelligence leak.” Basically, they arranged for the DIA to hear that Wuhan was apparently suffering a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak, thereby leading the DIA to prepare and distribute a secret report warning our own forces and allies to take appropriate precautions.

    (6) Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease. Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten their attention. Since the CDC had botched production of a testing kit, we had no means of recognizing that the disease was already spreading in our country, and the result was massive damage to America’s economy and society. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.

    (7) Again, this is my own hypothetical reconstruction, and people are free to dispute individual elements. But I think it best fits with the very limited amount of solid evidence. My long article from April fleshes out the China/America background in much greater detail:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

  156. Amon says:
    @Bombercommand

    There was the 2019 Vaping-associated pulmonary injury that caused a sickness in the lungs and which was blamed on E-cigarettes.

    https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

    It was found in all 50 states and peaked in august, then declined in September. The first confirmed break out of Covid in the US happened six months later which fits the 6 months lull between outbreak waves in highly infectious diseases.

    I wouldn’t put it past the government to do a cover up of any accidental strains getting released to protect their own behinds.

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  157. Amon says:
    @Anonymous

    They said the same thing about the Bay of Pigs, the Gulf of Tonki and the Iran–Contra affair. All three cases depended on careful planning, plotting and the co-operations of 1000s of people to carry out military actions to obtain some desired goal without public insight into or even knowledge of the various plots.

    Besides, it would not be the first time the army killed innocent US civilians just to field test their bio weapon deployment capabilities.

    https://priceonomics.com/how-the-us-government-tested-biological-warfare-on/

  158. Trinity says:

    Unrelated to the topic, but I ALMOST always have to say something when I see a “Boomer hater” comment. As a LATE BOOMER (1961), I can’t help but chuckle when I see or hear Generation X’ers, Millennials, and Zoomers ( whatever the fuck they are called) denigrating or blaming Boomers for America’s troubles. Other posters as well as yours truly have explained over and over how the Boomers had no power at all when America started her decline, even the oldest Boomers, those born in 1946-1950, had no power until the late 80’s or early 90’s and by then, a great deal of damage had already been done to America.

    And lets be real here, next to the generations that proceeded the Boomers like the Greatest Traitorous Generation aka “The Greatest Generation,” and the PATHETIC GENERATIONS that followed the Boomers, the Boomers don’t look that bad. The Generation X’ers to the Millennials to the Zoomers are perhaps the most pathetic generations ever, especially the Millennials and Zoomers. Take a good look at who makes up Antifa for the most part. A bunch of Zoomers who are vying for doing just as much destruction to America and the White race as The Greatest Traitorous Generation.

    Boomer’s fault, my ass.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ron Unz
  159. @Anonymous

    You do realize that higher Mortality rate = nuclear war heads raining down on your retarded ass?

    So many retards.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  160. Poco says:
    @Alden

    Furniture moving companies!

  161. @Jim Brewer

    Very true. It is even more so Now.

    If you don’t partake in the stock market, you are fucked.

    If you own a house in a good location, you would be fine though.

  162. Sparkon says:

    A new article on the origin of SARS-CoV-2 was published today, August 25, 2020, in Nature. I have not read the entire article closely, but here are my cherry picks from it:

    [MORE]

    Origin and cross-species transmission of bat coronaviruses in China

    Abstract

    Bats are presumed reservoirs of diverse coronaviruses (CoVs) including progenitors of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)-CoV and SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19. However, the evolution and diversification of these coronaviruses remains poorly understood. Here we use a Bayesian statistical framework and a large sequence data set from bat-CoVs (including 630 novel CoV sequences) in China to study their macroevolution, cross-species transmission and dispersal. We find that host-switching occurs more frequently and across more distantly related host taxa in alpha- than beta-CoVs, and is more highly constrained by phylogenetic distance for beta-CoVs. We show that inter-family and -genus switching is most common in Rhinolophidae and the genus Rhinolophus. Our analyses identify the host taxa and geographic regions that define hotspots of CoV evolutionary diversity in China that could help target bat-CoV discovery for proactive zoonotic disease surveillance. Finally, we present a phylogenetic analysis suggesting a likely origin for SARS-CoV-2 in Rhinolophus spp. bats.

    Discussion

    Our phylogenetic analysis shows a high diversity of CoVs from bats sampled in China, with most bat genera included in this study (10/16) infected by both α- and β-CoVs. In our phylogenetic analysis that includes all known bat-CoVs from China, we found that SARS-CoV-2 is likely derived from a clade of viruses originating in horseshoe bats (Rhinolophus spp.). The geographic location of this origin appears to be Yunnan province. However, it is important to note that: (1) our study collected and analyzed samples solely from China; (2) many sampling sites were close to the borders of Myanmar and Lao PDR; and (3) most of the bats sampled in Yunnan also occur in these countries, including R. affinis and R. malayanus, the species harboring the CoVs with highest RdRp sequence identity to SARS-CoV-220,21. For these reasons, we cannot rule out an origin for the clade of viruses that are progenitors of SARS-CoV-2 that is outside China, and within Myanmar, Lao PDR, Vietnam, or another Southeast Asian country. Additionally, our analysis shows that the virus RmYN02 from R. malayanus, which is characterized by the insertion of multiple amino acids at the junction site of the S1 and S2 subunits of the Spike (S) protein, belongs to the same clade as both RaTG13 and SARS-CoV-2, providing further support for the natural origin of SARS-CoV-2 in Rhinolophus spp. bats in the region.

    [my bold]

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17687-3

    • Replies: @dimples
  163. ruralguy says:
    @TKK

    We really are fools to follow their machinations. These politicians’ thoughts reflect the childish comprehension of the average adult voter — the mean is at a 5th grade reading comprehension. Most adults are childish, so our culture and government evolves to appease ignorance, immaturity, and now criminal violence.

    If this country had a civilization, reason would prevail over this crass culture of ignorance and immaturity. It doesn’t, so it’s best to tune it out. I try, delving in a world of math and sciences, where the world is still civilized, and in hard physical labor on my property. But, I guess it’s hard to tune things out, when you’re in the middle of an ocean on a sinking ship.

  164. Iris says:
    @JRB

    French female military athlete Elodie Clouvel also recounted how she and her athlete partner fell ill with Covid symptoms during Wuhan military games. She made the statement on a national radio, before being asked to shut up by her hierarchy.

    https://www.leparisien.fr/international/covid-19-des-athletes-francais-contamines-a-wuhan-en-octobre-05-05-2020-8311221.php

    The same statements were made by athletes from Sweden and Luxemburg.

    In a town of 11 million inhabitants, with an exclusive Olympic Village dedicated to the participants, what was the likelihood to have so many foreign athletes falling ill with Covid19?

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @dimples
    , @Poco
  165. Your scenario is plausible but takes no account of the following:

    1. By late 2019 a financial crash, much worse than that of 2008, was imminent.

    2. Event 201, which took place that October and in uncanny detail prophesied what subsequently unfolded with Covid-19.

    3. The extraordinary way that Covid-19 paves the way for a world government, from cashless payments to total surveillance to the 95% reduction in global population dreamt of by the creatures in the UN who devised Agenda 21. These dreams include the destruction of much of the industrial base and indeed all the other goals of the climate hoaxers.

    4. The rampant corruption of the WHO and the influence thereon of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which also funds so-called fact-checking websites whose sole function is to suppress dissent; it even pays corrupt media outlets which toe the globalists’ line.

    Gates and Fauci and the drugs industry stand to make vast profits from vaccination; Gates’s own net worth has doubled since he stepped down from Microsoft. Virtually the entire medical profession in the West has been corrupted by Big Pharma. Whole swathes of valid and valuable alternative treatments have been dismissed as quackery, to be replaced by the wholesale prescription of drugs, many of which have harmful side-effects.

    The pharmaceutical companies are notably large and powerful corporations, but as you know they and the other corporations function principally to siphon wealth from the populace and funnel it upwards to the banks – and it is the banks who I believe are ultimately behind the “pandemic”. They can blame the imminent financial crash on Mother Nature, and foreclosures, picking up assets for pennies on the dollar, are one of the chief raisons d’être of any bank (in normal times facilitated by their little friends at the central banks, arbitrarily choking off the money-supply).

    What is really going on is impossible for bystanders to know, but I do believe that these other factors are involved, as is the rise of AI and the coming redundancy of much of the workforce. Whether the whole thing was planned by an evil genius, or whether the globalists merely seized on an opportunity, one cannot say. There is apparently good evidence that the virus is not entirely natural and has been tweaked by experts, supporting your hypothesis. The pure evil of 9/11 suggests to me that there are no depths to which state actors will not sink in their desire for power: witness the sheer obscenity of “gain-of-function” viral research and the existence of such establishments as Fort Detrick or Porton Down.

    • Agree: jsinton
  166. Notsofast says:
    @Wade

    I have to agree with you on this. The question i’d like an answer to, is why was john bolton at event 201? He was fired the month before and there he was with dr. Faustus and bill gates (of the gates of hell). After event 201 they declared that we were the most prepared country in the world. then after the first outbreak the cdc dragged their feet in creating a test, refused to let states do their own tests, then rolled out a botched test while faustus said masks were useless. The neocons have jumped ship to the dems and want to wreck the place up as much as possible. Wall street knew this was coming and 1500 ceos including bill gates stepped down at the top of the market most cashing out their stock. They knew the lockdown would strangle small business and they could then say the evil virus took out both wall st and main st we need helicopter money. None of this is incompetence or coincidence.

  167. @TG

    The NYT and WSJ are like the old Soviet propaganda pieces Pravda and Tass, just not as careful with their lies.

    I can tell you from personal experience with both, compared to current Western MSM Soviet Pravda and TASS were paragons of honesty. They put a clear spin on everything they reported, they did not report inconvenient facts, but they never stooped to “comrade Ogilvy” type stories Western MSM are now full of. You listed some of them, but there were and are so many more.

  168. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Where’s the dividing line though? If China will just take it on the chin with 5,000 deaths, why not 50,000,000? Do you think 50,000,000 is worth getting obliterated for anymore than 5,000, especially for a nation of 1.5 billion?

    Coronavirus will go down as nothing more than a hiccup during the course of China’s ascendancy. If America was going to seriously challenge that ascendancy it would surely need to do far more than kill a handful of pensioners.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  169. @Wizard of Oz

    Nice try OZ. The pilgrimage in 2019 was in August. And if Chinese pilgrims brought it with them to Arabia, why would the virus prefer Iranian Shi`ites to say, Moroccans or Indonesians? It would have gone everywhere by late August 2019. Even to the land of OZ.

  170. Anonymous[168] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    There are two types of boomers as you say, early boomers and late boomers.

    [MORE]

    America was destroyed in the mid 1960s with the passage of the Negro Supremacy Act and the Flood America With Endless Brown Hordes Act. The ultimate blame for these developments rests not on the business interests or even the Jews who ramrodded these policies through but on the fighting aged White men ages 15 to 30 who willfully conceded America without a fight during this totally pivotal moment in history (i.e. the early boomers). It was really not difficult to see the writing on the wall about what would happen when America became devoted to trying perpetually to elevate Blacks into being the equals of Whites, to deprive Whites and other peoples of their right to live in racial enclaves and to bring every peoples in the entire world to America to drive down wages and reduce any basis of unity for the benefit of elite interests. Early boomers are more responsible for the shitshow that is modern America and the inferno that it will someday devolve into than those of any other generation.

    While late boomers may not have been old enough to have resisted America’s destruction they also didn’t try very hard to turn things around when a peaceful resolution was still possible. Late boomers have a warped perception of America because they were raised under conditions of relative prosperity when the effects of America’s destructive policies were not yet widely felt. Late boomers are much like boiling frogs who still think that the temperature of the pot they are in is room temperature. In other words, late boomers are the generation most likely to believe that American authority figures will simply deal with the problems their generation allowed to fester, that America will somehow survive and that they don’t have to lift a finger or make any sacrifices to reverse America’s utterly destructive trajectory.

    Your claim that the generations that have proceeded boomers are worse is completely ridiculous. While it might be true that younger generations are protesting in favor of destructive nonsense on the streets, what they are fundamentally protesting is to uphold destructive policies, whereas the boomer generation protested to enact them in the first place. Younger generations have been brainwashed into accepting America’s destructive policies as a good, boomers, on the other hand, were under far less pressure to go along with such policies and are therefore far more at fault for their inaction.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Rurik
  171. aandrews says:
    @Anonymous

    “…until the holes simply became too big.”
    A man ahead of his time.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement

  172. @Ron Unz

    Was 9/11 mere blowback? That’s the official conspiracy theory.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  173. ruralguy says:
    @Anonymous

    Very perceptive, Anonymous. Those behaviors do suggest schizophrenia. It is not pyscho-babble as one of the replies suggested. It’s a horribly tragic path and a waste of life. I notice from your other comments on this article that you’re seeing this in others, not just in Ron. I often see brilliant commentary on the Unz site that doesn’t exist elsewhere, but I strongly suspect many on this site dwell on the spectrum of neurotic to psychotic.

  174. Emslander says:
    @Trinity

    In ‘n Out is the very best Burger and Fries meal in our known universe and it is reasonably priced. When I was moving about the country a little more, if I flew into LAX, my first stop in the rental car was the I & O on Sepulveda at the chain link fence on edge of the far north runway. I also met very nice women there who weren’t afraid they’d get raped if they sat down and talked to a tall stranger from the exotic land of “back east”.

  175. @Anonymous

    Omfg, check this retard out.

    This retard of epic proportions thinks 50 million dead Chinese from an American release bioweapon is nothing.

    LOL.

    Forget DC retards, there is one right here for the meat grinder.

    Fucker thinks China would be the only one getting obliterated in a nuclear exchange.

    Fucking a, this retard takes the mother of all cakes.

  176. Tor597 says:
    @Ozymandias

    China didn’t lie about the outbreak.

    Here is one of the most exhaustive reports that shows this from a western source.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/phl43/status/1298053847844368386

  177. Notsofast says:
    @Anonymous

    Nothing to see here folks, as the cia has told us there is no such thing as a conspiracy theory. The deep state is a conspiracy theory, ergo does not exist. All “boomers” are piss soaked grampa simpsons, with their pants around their ankles. Everyone go back to sleep.

    • LOL: Ron Unz
  178. Ron Unz says:
    @Trinity

    Unrelated to the topic, but I ALMOST always have to say something when I see a “Boomer hater” comment.

    I wouldn’t pay much attention to those anti-Boomer gibes. I’d say it’s pretty likely that our Anonymous friend is just an “agent” who is using such insults and other tactics to distract readers from the very serious subject of this thread.

    In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the same fellow who suddenly showed up around the beginning of the year on all the threads dealing with the Soleimani assassination. I can’t recall his name, but he was also very heavy on the Boomer-attacks and lots of nasty personal insults.

    Since he was using a name, he often described aspects of his personal background to lend credibility to some of his arguments. But then a couple of sharp-eyed commenters noticed that over a couple of weeks, he’d repeatedly shifted his age by a decade or more, and also changed various other personal details. Apparently, he was just too lazy an “agent” to follow a fixed cover-story, and made it up as he went along.

    After that, nobody took him seriously, so he just slunk away, and may now have returned as an Anonymous…

    • Thanks: Trinity
  179. Ron Unz says:
    @Joey Pastrami

    Was 9/11 mere blowback? That’s the official conspiracy theory.

    Pretty unlikely I’d say. If you’re interested, here’s a very long article I published a few months ago, discussing 9/11 and several other crucial incidents in quite a lot of detail:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/

    • Replies: @Joey Pastrami
  180. MEH 0910 says:

    Stories, in our connected era, spread even more quickly than viruses. One story of covid-19 that spread early and widely was that the outbreak had begun among people associated with the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, in Wuhan. It was a wet market, where venders offered wildlife for eating—from civets to wolf pups, porcupines, and snakes—as well as seafood, domestic meat, and other perishable food items. (Pangolins would have been traded less openly.) The market was shut down on January 1st, in response to the “abnormal pneumonia” outbreak, and scientists took samples in search of what they may have suspected—but no one had yet declared publicly—was a novel coronavirus. Then the market was promptly cleaned by a team of masked, white-clad workers spraying sanitizer. The coronavirus was found—genomic bits, plus a touch of viable virus that could be grown in a lab—but it came from wastewater or door handles or other surfaces, not from wild animals. If any live animals caged at Huanan were tested for the coronavirus, those results have never been announced.

    A later review of the first forty-one hospitalized patients clarified that most, but not all, of them had been exposed to the market. Some—including the earliest patient, whose symptoms began on December 1, 2019—had no known contact with Huanan. This suggests that the coronavirus was already circulating among people in the city as early as November, and that an infected person—not an infected wild animal—may have carried it into the market.

  181. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Hypnotoad666

    So it’s only “in the last few months” that Ron has realized the New York Times is toxic fake news? [sic His commitment to regular reading had begun to flag.] That admission seems to be disqualifying as to the credibility of anything that follows.

    Isn’t that, I don’t know, a bit extreme?

  182. Tor597 says:
    @frontier

    All doctors take HCQ preventively? This is nonsense.

    HCQ can work if you take it soon enough, but it is not strong enough when most people will present with symptoms.. That is why in China and S Korea they are using Chloroquine and not HCQ. Chloroquine is much stronger.

    Why would China be using Chloroquine which is hard to make large amounts of when they could just easily synthesize HCQ? The answer is HCQ is not effective.

    • Replies: @frontier
  183. Franz says:
    @Grisha

    Schizophrenia is a serious and disabling condition – really unhelpful to throw around amateur comments like this.

    Not true.

    Go back to my reply. I put in bold type the bits of analysis at a distance. I did not bold type the concluding disorder because it was not a warranted conclusion. You have to see someone in person and study the case to reach even the earlier parts I DID bold.

    I attacked his method of reaching the disorders he asserts Ron may have because he does not know the man, has not studied him in any way, reached a conclusion no better that saying he’s possessed by demons. That’s amateurish.

  184. Sparkon says:
    @Anonymous

    The ultimate blame for these developments rests … on the fighting aged White men ages 15 to 30 who willfully conceded America without a fight during this totally pivotal moment in history (i.e. the early boomers).

    Well, here we go again with the humorously staggering innumeracy of Boomer Bashers. I suppose American Arithmetic is turning out to be even harder than the notorious Chinese variety.

    The oldest “early boomers” were 11 years old in 1957, when Pres. Eisenhower sent out the 101st Airborne to enforce integration at Little Rock High. At the same time, Ike also federalized the Arkansas National Guard that Gov. Orval Faubus had sent out to surround the high school and prevent enrollment of the Little Rock Nine.

    [MORE]


    Original caption: Three men from the mob around little Rock Central high School are driven from the area at bayonet point by these soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division on September 25, 1957. The presence of the troops permitted the nine Negro students to enter the school with only minor background incidents. President Eisenhower was compelled to enforce the Supreme Court’s public school desegregation decision with troops after the integrity of the court was challenged by Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus. (UPI Photo/Files)

    • Thanks: Trinity
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  185. @Ron Unz

    Thanks, I’ve read it and I agree. That’s why I’m suspicious of the Corona blowback theory you’re espousing.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  186. @Anonymous

    Damn right. Thank you for breaking it down. Your post captures the full range of contempt and sympathy I feel for these delusionalees.

  187. @Ron Unz

    Mate, either you’re deeply into amateur dramatics or you’ve totally lost it

    Go on a silent retreat. Do some tantric yoga. Find any way to get a grip

    • Troll: frontier, AnonStarter
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  188. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:

    Another important thing to remember about DIA is that they have had a critical hands-on role in verifiable destruction of banned US weapons. I know some of these guys and they are very good at what they do. They may or may not know much about China, but they know a hell of a lot about who in the US does chem/bio warfare, what they did, and how and when they did it. DIA’s authority is BWATA and its implementing regs under independent expert BWC treaty body review. CIA’s authority is Section 202 et seq., which says go ahead, break any fuckin law you want. When DIA makes it public you can take it to the bank.

  189. Patricus says:
    @Anon

    I feel old, turning 68 next week. In my twenties a friend and I would purchase the Sunday NY Times. It was about three inches thick and crammed with reporting from every part of the world. I subscribed to the Economist when it was printed on recycled paper, about five times thicker than now, and full of reporting. Editorial pages were just a few. I subscribed to the Wall Street Journal for decades. I also subscribed to 10 or 12 monthly opinion journals. Within the last ten years I dropped every one of these. Journalism dramatically declined over decades.

    Thank God for the internet including excellent sites like unz.com. The only problem is that it takes a lot of time to continuously search for new sites. Perfectly good sites have a way of degrading over time.

    I doubt that people of this time are exposed to better journalism than another generation 50 years back, regardless of technology advances. I suppose people are no wiser than their predecessors.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  190. @Patricus

    The take over of msm started in the late 90s. Completed before 9/11.

    The 3 letter agencies had control.and influence before that but not outright total control like now.

    The msm in the USA and Europe is No different than the Chinese state media.

    Jewish role is basically overseer. The benefits are maintenance of the holo shield, Jewish control of high Ed admission, making sure Zionists are untouchable.

    Unz review is the only one of it’s kind. All other alt media are just retarded, super racist, a front by the 3 letter agencies. Hell, 4 chan got taken over, so did Reddit. English al jazeera got taken over also, around the first time the stink over world cup in Qatar was raised.

  191. @Sparkon

    A historically sickening photo. The descendants of those un-American uniformed thugs should be ashamed of them. Rot in peace.

  192. Truth says:
    @Trinity

    Well, when I was single and living alone the only thing in my fridge was beer, bottled water, and maybe leftover pizza, Man, those were the happiest times of my life. IF only I could go back to that lifestyle again.

    Well why can’t you ?!?!

  193. @Mark Hunter

    “The Big Lie”, which is most often attributed to Adolph Hitler and his lieutenants was actually developed by Britain…

    • Replies: @Mark Hunter
    , @Iris
  194. bragg says:

    I’m open to the bioweapon hypothesis, though where I’d differ from Ron is that I would think it’s more of a psychological operation rather than a military one designed to have lots of casualties that resulted in “blowback”.

    A very deadly bioweapon is generally not something that’s going to be used unless necessary in a desperate situation. It’s something you’d want to keep in reserve as a last resort during a live war.

    If Covid-19 is a bioweapon used against China, it’s either a relatively mild one engineered as a weapon or just one of the natural coronaviruses in the wild that causes colds and flus every year that’s been hyped up. The intent of the operation would primarily be psychological i.e. to push popular sentiment domestically and around the world against China and to isolate China and promote decoupling from the Chinese economy.

    If it was indeed a psychological operation, then there’s no question that it’s been quite successful. Furthermore, it fits into a general pattern of actions by the US over the past few years to isolate China.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  195. Robjil says:
    @Bragadocious

    I haven’t noticed that all.

    All European press seems to be the same as the US.

    Nobody looks at French, British, German or Dutch news as independent of the US.

    That is why RT is popular. RT does not go far enough because of the constraints on RT working in US ruled nations. RT used to go further before 2013. After Snowden went to Russia in 2013 and the US Zion coup of Ukraine in Feb.22 2014, RT now carefully dances around big issues of the US Zion Empire.

    • Agree: Iris
  196. frontier says:
    @Tor597

    HCQ is slightly different in chemistry but works as well or better than CQ and allows for higher doses. CQ is cheaper, easier to make and thus used more in China. Both of them a best used before or soon after infection.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

    What is nonsense? That docs take HCQ? That;s what they say themselves:
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/PqqvcxdCGJo9/

  197. Loup-Bouc says:

    Mr. Unz:

    You wrote:

    There are occasional exceptions to this pattern. Earlier this month the Times carefully tabulated our national mortality figures and determined that our “excess deaths” from early March to the end of July had already exceeded 200,000, indicating that the American body-count from our Covid-19 epidemic was considerably larger than generally assumed, and might even reach the half million mark by the end of the year. But examples of such solid reporting seem few and far between these days.

    But in the NY Times article you reference, the “deaths” are NY-Times-estimated “deaths,” and the NY Times premised its estimate on Center For Disease Control [hereinafter “CDC”] estimates — and, in standard NY Time double-speak/fake-“fact” fashion, the “report” claims that its estimate-based-on-estimates “death”-“count” is “The True Coronavirus Toll in the U.S.”

    [MORE]

    So, I fail to understand how you can call such “reporting” “solid reporting,” unless because of your own tendency of asserting claims based on estimates and other highly questionable “data” because your political object requires so. I mean, e.g., your immensely invalid or equally unreliable “statistics” and faux quasi-statistical illogical faux “fact” analyses of your article “Race and Crime in America.”
    See, e.g.,
    * my comments posted under Ron Unz’s article “Race and Crime in America,” https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/
    * AND under John-Paul Leonard’s article “Or Did George Floyd Die of a Drug Overdose?,” https://www.unz.com/article/or-did-george-floyd-die-of-a-drug-overdose/
    my comments of June 28, 2020 at 1:48 am GMT (comment # 533) and June 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm GMT (comment # 546)
    * AND under Fred Reed’s article “Her Name Is Breonna Taylor,” https://www.unz.com/freed/her-name-is-breanna-taylor/
    my comment of June 10, 2020 at 2:12 am GMT (comment # 401)

    I cannot, rationally, deny the possibility that “Covid-19” is a bioweapon — though I doubt so. And I respect your article “American Pravda: Our Coronavirus Catastrophe as Biowarfare Blowback?” — especially its history of the Tiananmen Square “Incident” — I mean your article published here: https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/
    [Still, though that article deserves respect, its bioweapon-suggesting observations are far from conclusive.]

    Yet, vis-a-vis your praise of the NY Times article you praise and vis-a-vis your praising it, rationality requires that I question not only (a) the ALLEGED “counts” of ALLEGED Covid-19-casued deaths (and alleged infection-rates), but also (b) whether Covid-19 even exists. See, e.g., my below-cited comments posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/

    I find fascinating the language “excess deaths.” “Excess” above WHAT? And, exactly HOW attributed to “Covid-19”? [I refer to your language “the Times carefully tabulated our national mortality figures and determined that our “excess deaths” from early March to the end of July had already exceeded 200,000.”]

    In my below-cited comments posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society” (linked supra), with my own evidence and analyses and with citations of virology, epidemiology, microbiology, immunology of other medical or medicine-related-field experts, I showed:

    (a) Alleged Covid-19 infection-counts and alleged Covid-19-caused death-numbers are greatly questionable, at best.

    (b) The supposed “Covid-19” pandemic may be either (i) a misinterpretation or misrepresentation of clinical and epidemiological data or (ii) a reflection of a quasi-mass-“hallucination” of the existence of a non-existent virus or virus-caused disease.

    Disregard, for sake of argument, the matter of whether “Covid-19” exists (or even whether any alleged “virus-caused” disease exists). Consider only these two matters:

    (1) Are “infection”-rate and “death”-rate “counts” valid, or reliable?

    (2) Even if we assume that the “infection”-rate and “death”-rate “counts” valid and reliable, ARE those rates “excess.”

    Respecting the first matter — are “infection”-rate and “death”-rate “counts” valid, or reliable? — again I refer the reader to my below-cited comments posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society.” Those comments show substantial cause of concluding that the rates are reflections of invalid statistical analyses of invalid or unreliable “data” or that the rate-determinations are statistically unreliable. See also below.

    Respecting the second matter — if we assume that the “infection”-rate and “death”-rate “counts” valid and reliable, ARE those rates “excess” — consider the following.

    According to CDC “estimates,” in the 2017-2018 “flu season,” 44,802,629 people contracted influeza and suffered symptoms, 20,731,323 people sought medical treatment for influenza, 808,129 were hospitalized because of infuenza, and influenza killed 61,099 Americans. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden-averted/2017-2018.htm#anchor_1574361144016

    In 2018, the total U.S. all-causes death-number was 2,839,205. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/deaths.htm I could not find a number for the 12 months of the 2017-2018 flu-season. But, suppose that, as is very likely, the all-causes 2017-2018 flu-season death-number was about the same as the 2018 calendar-year all-causes death-number. Then, the flu-caused death-number was 2.2% of the total number of deaths.

    According to the CDC, in the 2003-2004 “flu” season, combined influenza/pneumonia caused about 10.3% of all U.S. deaths.
    That link opens a graph set here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weeklyarchives2003-2004/03-04summary.htm

    Today, 25 August 2020, at 3:40 PM Pacific Time, the ALLEGED Covid-19-caused death total was 182,261. See https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ — which, surely, at this later time, reports a few more deaths. I have not been able to find a report of the thus-far 2020 all-causes death-number total. But suppose the year-end 2020 all-causes death-number total is about equal to 2/3 (8 months worth) of the 2018 total of 2,839,205: Then, 2,839,205 x 0.667 = 1,893,750. The ALLEGED Covid-19-caused deaths would be 9.6% of the all-causes death-number total— significantly less than the 10.3% portion of the 2003-2004 flu-season deaths attributable to influenza/pneumonia.

    And for at least a month, the ALLEGED Covid-19-caused death-numbers have been falling. So, if the trend does not change for the rest of 2020, the ALLEGED Covid-19-caused death-rate will be a percentage markedly less than was the flu-death-caused percentage of all-causes deaths of the 2003-2004 death-number.

    Yes. I know: My calculations suffer uncertainty, because (i) they do not — cannot — account a quite accurate flu-death-percentage of the calendar years 2003, 2004, 2017, or 2018 and (ii) a 2020 all-causes death-number total, or even estimated total, is not available yet.

    But the preceding numbers and calculations do, reasonably, suggest that, this far, the 2020 deaths are not “excess” or ‘excessive” because of ALLEGED Covid-19 deaths.

    I press the term ALLEGED Covid-19 deaths (and imply the term ALLEGED Covid-19 cases) for reasons illumined in my comments posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/
    Of my comments posted under that above-referenced Mike Whitney article, see these comments (cited by comment number):
    # 180, # 250, # 259, # 267, # 272, # 314
    # 319, # 326, # 328, # 346, # 353, # 378
    # 381, # 384, # 388, # 389, # 390, # 391

    See also Mike Whitney’s above-referenced article, itself, and its excerpts, paraphrases, and discussions of Dr. Michael Levitt’s Haaretz article that Mike Whitney’s article cites.

  198. W Baker says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    No, Socrates would be busy buggering his neophytes not reading known garbage, the NYT and WSJ.

  199. dimples says:
    @utu

    Confirmation by IDF is confirmation? As is well known, the US is the vassal/partner of the Israeli state. If the rumour of the report was a disinformation operation by a US ‘deep-state actor’, to use the currently popular terminology, to beat up some anti-Chinese sentiment in a plausibly deniable way, then getting confirmation from their pals in Israel wouldn’t be too difficult I’m sure.

    I’m not denying that the rumour might be true, but some sort of objective confirmation of the supposed content of report might help.

  200. dimples says:
    @Iris

    Great. So where are the medical tests that show they actually had the disease?

  201. Anonymous[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    (1) Rogue elements within our large national security apparatus probably affiliated with the Deep State Neocons decided to inflict severe damage upon the huge Chinese economy using biowarfare. The plan was to infect the key transport hub of Wuhan with Covid-19 so that the disease would invisibly spread throughout the entire country during the annual Lunar New Year travels, using the cover of the Wuhan International Military Games to slip a couple of operatives into the city to release the contagion. My guess is that only a relatively small number of individuals were involved in this plot.

    Just because you suppose that a small number of individuals were involved doesn’t necessarily make this possible. I’m not an expert but I assume a lot of test subjects would be required to determine the lethality and transmission potential of a pathogen.

    (2) The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon. Although Covid-19 has rather low fatality rates, it is extremely contagious, has a long pre-symptomatic infectious period, and can even spread by asymptomatic carriers, making it ideally suited for that purpose. Thus, once it established itself throughout most of China, it would be extremely difficult to eradicate and the resulting efforts to control it would inflict enormous damage upon China’s economy and society.

    If Covid was designed to be extremely contagious anti-economy bioweapon you would think the deep state would, oh I don’t know, shut down America’s borders or develop some sort of safeguard to prevent it from spreading to America.

    (3) As a secondary operation, they decided to target Iran’s political elites, possibly deploying a somewhat more deadly variant of the virus. Since political elites generally tend to be elderly, they would anyway suffer far greater fatalities.

    As the Covid outbreak was international news in the beginning of January and as the virus didn’t arrive until mid-February Iran’s political elites had around a month and half to prepare for its arrival. Apparently the virus was first detected in Qom giving Iran’s elites critical time to begin sealing off the government and to self-isolate. I haven’t done research but I’d imagine Iran’s government would be able to determine whether the virus was introduced from China or by an agent through the use of contact tracing as has been used to determine the origin of a Covid outbreak for every other country. As you yourself later admit Covid likely arrived in America too soon for America to effectively respond to it and it is quite likely that Covid was already in America before it arrived in Iran. Culling Iran’s political elites doesn’t seem like it would work to America’s benefit, if anything doing so would merely make Iran’s elite younger and more vigorous which would likely benefit Iran in the long-run. What’s more, even if America desired to cull Iran’s political elites it is not like they could take advantage of the power vacuum in the country as this would coincide with an ongoing international pandemic. As to your suggestion that America deployed a specialized strand of Covid in Iran, if you look at the stats Iran has a relatively low per capita mortality rate while confirmed case mortality is significantly lower for Iran than for many developed countries such as Italy and Great Britain.

    (4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19. Anyway, since international organizations always ranked the US and Europe as having the best and most effective public health systems for combating any disease epidemic, they believed that any possible blowback damage would be very minor.

    You claim in point 2 that Coronavirus was chosen for its high R0, however both SARS and MERS had low R0s, therefore the conspirators couldn’t possibly have made the assumption that it would have been contained in China. Do you honestly believe the very conspirators intelligent enough to pull off a monumental bioweapons attack would be ignorant of the fact that the bulk of America has been reduced to little more than a gutted-out slum? That 30 percent of its population, highly concentrated in certain regions, are essentially dysfunctional Third Worlders who would compound any severe health crisis? That America’s money-driven healthcare system, the epitome of corporate rent-seeking, would be able to adequately serve the country’s enormous underclass? America’s self-aggrandizing “America #1” bullshit is designed for proles, not for elites.

    (5) Only a small number of individuals were directly involved in this plot, and soon after the disease was successfully released in Wuhan, they decided to further safeguard America’s own interests by alerting the appropriate units with the Defense Intelligence Agency, probably by fabricating some sort of supposed “intelligence leak.” Basically, they arranged for the DIA to hear that Wuhan was apparently suffering a “cataclysmic” disease outbreak, thereby leading the DIA to prepare and distribute a secret report warning our own forces and allies to take appropriate precautions.

    I’ll concede that this is your strongest argument. I’m in disbelief that the deep state would manage to successfully release a deadly pathogen without a hitch and then immediately distribute an intelligence report that there was a deadly pathogen exactly where they released it, a report that those who saw it would later be able to freely discuss with the press. This is like executing a perfect murder and then going to meet up with your friends a few minutes later and saying: “Hey guys, it sure is a shame that so-and-so was brutally murdered a few minutes ago. So what have you guys all been up to recently?” I’m tempted to argue that given how utterly stupid it would be to announce knowledge of a deadly pathogen in China well before the Chinese government was aware of the virus, that no genuine conspirators would ever have contemplated doing so and that therefore a conspiracy can’t exist.

    As this argument is likely to be unsatisfying I think a more compelling alternative hypothesis is that China did start to recognize the virus by the end of November and that American intelligence managed to intercept some of its reports on the nascent threat. The testimony of those who read the intelligence reports during this period does not suggest that America’s intelligence agencies knew that Covid was a “cataclysmic event” since the end of November, merely that it was on their radar. It’s likely they only marked it as a “cataclysmic event” once China became fully aware of the virus and was likely in the midst of overreacting given its unknown lethality. Another hypothesis is simply that this intelligence report was part of an American operation designed to discredit China by claiming that China didn’t do anything about the virus when they had a chance to stop it in its tracks and to deflect greater blame for the virus on China.

    (6) Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness, and soon stamped out the disease. Meanwhile, the lackadaisical and incompetent American government largely ignored the problem, only reacting after the massive outbreak in Northern Italy had gotten their attention. Since the CDC had botched production of a testing kit, we had no means of recognizing that the disease was already spreading in our country, and the result was massive damage to America’s economy and society. In effect, America suffered exactly the fate that had originally been intended for its Chinese rival.

    I have difficulty believing that the deep state would not have been aware of China’s impressive pandemic response capabilities. This is a nation that controls almost all the world’s manufacturing capacity, has more than half of high-speed rail networks in the world, has embarked on many of the world’s largest infrastructure projects, has an authoritarian system allowing it to greatly limit the freedom of its citizens in response to a crisis, has a command economy more equipped than any other economic model to respond to a crisis, has a very high IQ population and is racially coherent. I just don’t see how a group of conspirators smart enough to pull off a bioweapons attack against the world’s second largest power could be so stupid as to discount the formidable advantages of their opponent. I would also question the idea that Covid has had a greatly negative effect on the economies of either China or the US. America’s economy is largely driven by technological developments which have progressed largely unscathed due to Covid. If anything Big Tech has been able to take advantage of Covid to concentrate their power, restructure and become more efficient than ever before. While inflation and the unemployment rate may be high, the fact is a significant number of jobs in America are redundant and that many of the service jobs that have been lost as a result of Covid’s economic devastation can easily be recreated and have no real effect on economic growth.

    You claim that Covid was specifically designed by the deep state, but you don’t seem to have thought it through how difficult this would have been. How does a group of conspirators create a bioweapon with specific characteristics without testing it on human subjects over the course of several trials? Admittedly I’m no expert in the development of bioweapons but it would seem to me that there is no other way of determining the effects of a virus on humans than to actually test it on humans. My understanding is that all bioweapons known to have been stockpiled by major military powers are copies of some sample found in nature and that their lethality is inferred from outbreaks that they have caused. Too be fair I do recall reading a report within the past few years urging biomedical journals not to publish potentially destructive material, such as the gene sequence of a strand of smallpox with a 100 percent mortality rate, among other highly destructive pathogens. I’d be curious to hear from a biomedical researcher to know whether its possible to determine the characteristics of a pathogen without testing it on human subjects. If it is a Covid conspiracy theory would be far more plausible, but I would still be highly skeptical of it.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  202. Anon[352] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Covid was bioengineered to quickly weaken, thus killing Iranians and Chinese, but being merely a tough flu for America?

    If not, perhaps the Iranian covid was substantially different and more potent and could be proven to be so under a microscope?

    Any forensic pathologists out there know?

  203. dimples says:
    @Ron Unz

    I do not buy this theory. Even Americans are not stupid enough to set up such a massive and far-reaching plot without taking it to the inevitable conclusions. If the plot was to infect China only, then absolutely necessary precautions would have be taken to contain the virus there and prevent its spread. These precautions would therefore be an indispensable part of the plot. The plotters would make sure that these precautions would work, and take into account the stupidity of the bureaucracy.

    The best example of a large rambling and far reaching plot is 911. It was carried out almost perfectly, a masterpiece. If Americans can do this, then the same people would not bungle a bio-warfare plot so badly in the very element that was most important.

    If it was a bio-warfare plot it was designed to infect the US as well.

  204. Ron Unz says:
    @Joey Pastrami

    Thanks, I’ve read it and I agree. That’s why I’m suspicious of the Corona blowback theory you’re espousing.

    No problem. I just calls ’em like I sees ’em…

  205. @Anonymous

    As the Coronavirus primarily targets elderly populations, the segment of the population who are net dependents, if anything had Coronavirus been contained in China all it would have done would have been to give China a strategic advantage by increasing its long term economic productivity.

    This is something that I have pondered, too… the planned economic meltdown and implosion of the West.

    Everything is almost 100% back to normal in China. Last weekend, thousands of people attended an electronic music festival at a popular water park in Wuhan– shoulder to shoulder and not a single mouth diaper in sight.

    Meanwhile, our bought and paid for politicians are doubling down on the (((Covid-19))) hoax and mandating social distancing and mouth diaper wearing.

    And as early as 2017, this pandemic was predicted by no less than Dr. Anthony Fauci himself.  

    What the hell is really going on? 

    • Replies: @Rurik
  206. Abbybwood says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    You are joking right?

    “Go on a silent retreat.”

    What the fuck do you think he has been on for decades?! Except for listening to Neil Diamond while he is walking to Burger King, I would call his apparently silent quest a retreat except for all the jabbering going on in his mind with the shit he reads day and night.

    Poor guy. He needs someone to love who will make him a cozy home with great plant-based meals and a roaring fire on cold nights. Someone to throw ideas to. A few kittens to cuddle and play with.

    Ron?! Ron!! Hello!! We could have such a great time!!! 🙂

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  207. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Steve Naidamast

    Britain used the technique of the Big Lie in WWI to paint the Germans as monsters (and to get the U.S. to enter the war).  I don’t think they used that phrase to describe what they were doing though.  Hitler is said to have coined the phrase in Mein Kampf but in the relevant paragraph he doesn’t consciously coin the phrase he just uses it as a natural description:

    All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.  It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.  Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.  For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.  These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. …

    • Replies: @Saggy
  208. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    Please see my comment of August 26, 2020 at 12:29 am GMT (comment # 202), which I addressed to you, Mr. Unz.

  209. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    “peculiar interest”???  How about a sense of helpfulness and decency.

    On the links page of my website there is an extensive collection of links about the criminal abuses of Child Protective Services.  Does that mean there’s something wrong with me? Or simply that I hate living around something so horrible.

    I’m a bachelor too, what of it?

    • Thanks: Iris
  210. dimples says:
    @Sparkon

    It may well be the case that SARS-CoV2 is of natural origin, collected by the WIV, then whoops, escaped into Wuhan. It might be the virus that killed the miners, collected by the Batwoman, who then pretended she didn’t due to the nature of the biowarfare sideline of her work. The fact that Wuhan, which does not possess bat caves, is also the site of one of China’s few biolabs collecting bat viruses strongly suggests an accidental lab release. It is also a fact that Big Science and the CCP are in accordance in preferring you to believe that they could not possibly be so negligent, and thus will automatically promote and suppress research and papers for you to read accordingly.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  211. Biff says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, I‘m not doubting that scenario at all, but don’t you find it extraordinary that the banking industry was faced with another crash last fall, with the repo market becoming insolvent; suddenly there’s this convenient timing of an economic lockdown and an accompanying CARES package – all of which is timed perfectly with this pandemic type virus outbreak?

    Does any of that fit into your scenario of events, or just a coincidence?

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Ron Unz
  212. @Ron Unz

    There are at least three different numbers for the “Anonymous” on this thread which you could be referring to. Apart from 282 who describes an eccentric and untidy obsessive nerd which, if I had the IQ points could be me if it weren’t for the woman in my life, two of the long anonymous comments [one is 300] are well written and compellingly reasoned. Do you think all three are the same.?

    You sensibly disclaim expertise in some actually or potentially relevant areas but I have the impression that you haven’t allowed enough for the consequences of your being a highly cerebral intellectual lone ranger with people skills which merely allow you to get by because of your quick brain and tongue . Specifically I cannot see that you have envisaged realistically the small rogue contingent of incompetent and (maybe incompetent because) mad Deep State conspirators. Try writing a atwo act playlet with dialogue and I would be astonished if you didn’t have the conspiracy wrecked or at least exposed by one or more of your mad obsessives. Yes, yes, I know Hitler managed to end up with only yes men about him but he was not just one amongst a little gang of conspirators and even he had Goering trying to take over and Himmler seeking to negotiate. I just can’t see your conspiracy working without exposure and internal dissent.

  213. Biff says:
    @Biff

    That was post made in haste – “convenient timing of a virus outbreak that lead to an economic lockdown.” Is what I ment to say.

  214. Dan Hayes says:
    @Abbybwood

    Abbybwood (whoever or whatever you are?):

    A relationship forged in Heaven! Of course with the necessary proviso that you are of the female persuasion.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  215. Ron Unz says:
    @Biff

    Well, I‘m not doubting that scenario at all, but don’t you find it extraordinary that the banking industry was faced with another crash last fall…Does any of that fit into your scenario of events, or just a coincidence?

    Well, personally I do think it was just a coincidence, but as I mentioned upthread, I don’t have any problem with those who prefer to believe otherwise.

    And I’m skeptical that the banking industry was really so close to collapse. Over the last decade or so, the whole American economy has become based on smoke and mirrors, and since the Wall Streeters have seized control of DC, they will always find some excuse to loot the treasury of however many trillions they needs. They took advantage of Covid-19, but if not, they would have just used something else. Consider how totally crazy the stock market is right now. Presumably, it’s because investors assume that the Fed will always bail them out.

    Former Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis just gave an excellent talk on this situation, which was republished at Naked Capitalism website:

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/08/something-remarkable-just-happened-this-august-how-the-pandemic-has-sped-up-the-passage-to-postcapitalism.html

    • Thanks: Iris
  216. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “you have failed to remember two reporrted sequences of events.”

    No, you are talking about different things. Ron asks how did DIA know about the outbreak of disease in *November* in Wuhan, so much so that they could even warn NATO and Israel. The original poster (Michel) proposes that Covid-19 was so pervasive in November that it was easy for US Consulate Office in Wuhan to detect it. To make the story consistent, he also has to concede that local government “knew” about the outbreak in November too, and they “covered up” the outbreak from Beijing. In fact, this seems to be latest US intelligence’s narrative to square the circle (although they won’t mention about the DIA report):

    “US intelligence found that local officials failed for weeks to report the coronavirus threat to Beijing, hindering attempts at stemming the spread of the virus, The New York Times reported Wednesday.”

    source: https://www.businessinsider.com/us-intel-local-officials-withheld-information-on-coronavirus-threat-nyt-2020-8

    The events you refer to: the sacking of local government staff and the warnings/complaints by Dr Ai Fen/Li Wenliang, etc were about events/actions (or inactions) from late Dec/early Jan onward, NOT from Nov. So my statements are still correct that no government official was punished for, and nobody complain about any “cover up” for November. In fact, it defies any common sense that Beijing will punish people for failures in Dec/Jan but ignore the bigger failures in Nov, or the medical personnel criticized the Dec/Jan “cover up” but not the Nov “cover up”. Furthermore, if Covid-19 was so wide spread and prominent in Nov that US Consulate could pick up, and even realized it was not a regular flu, why was the Chinese government still clueless and found the confirmed cases so low in Jan? Shouldn’t that indicate US officers were much more focus to look for something they expected/knew to exist?

    “sacking of two senior city or CCP officials over their failures with the Coronavirus.”

    For the hiccups of the 2-3 weeks in Jan, there were about 1000 government officials receiving various forms of punishments: sacking, demotions, transfers (usually to less desirable locations), early retirements, reprimands or warnings. Meanwhile, tell me how many US or Western government staff are punished for their much greater failures in handling of Covid-19. Ever wonder why Chinese government always seems to perform better?

    • Agree: Tor597
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  217. @Ron Unz

    Add Anonymous 223 to my query about .maybe threeAnonymous numbers for one commenter.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  218. @Amon

    There is ZERO evidence that SARS-CoV2 was present in The United States prior to the first known cases in Wuhan. If you disagree don’t take my word for it, take it up with the folks at Nextstrain, who have demonstrated that all mutations can be traced back to the first outbreak in Wuhan, including Strain C, that hit Iran. The Iranian Government position is Strain C came to Iran from China, the vector was Iranian citizens engaged in sanctions evasion using indirect flights through Singapore to return to Iran. The simple truth is this pandemic originated from a breach of containment incident at the BSL4 subunit of The Wuhan Institute of Virology.

    • Replies: @Amon
  219. Saggy says:
    @Mark Hunter

    Hitler did coin the phrase in the paragraph you cited, but you left out the beginning of the paragraph, where the big lie was identified …..

    But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice. All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true within itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; ….

  220. @d dan

    If the local government covered up, the non-government staff and medical personnel should have voiced up by now, and the central government should have confirmed and punished those cover ups, shouldn’t they?

    Se my comment #6, above.

    Locals did insert themselves in the chain of command, the head of the CCDC did complain loudly and publicly, and Beijing did fire the locals who interfered.

    There is no sign of a coverup comparable to the White House banning testing until mid-March, making all Covid conversations Top Secret, and withdrawing from the WHO to avoid its current investigation into the origins of the pandemic.

  221. ruralguy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes, but from the biography links provided by Anonymous, your biography indicates you were exceptionally bright and an advanced post-graduate student in Physics. To get to that level, you likely had to be brutally self honest, to recognize the flaws in your work and the lack of rigor in your methods and then self correct. Are your really satisfied with the rigor in how you developed those hypotheses on this thread? It doesn’t matter to me, one way or another.

  222. @gregor

    surely Chinese intelligence has figured out what’s going on by now and this would be a casus belli if there ever was one

    Precisely. You are witnessing a war waged Chinese style: they figured out early that it’s US-engineered and their response was to draw attention to it by staging an attack on it which, if we attempted to match, would ruin us.

    We did and it did. We lost the Great Covid War of 2020 and, with it, world leadership.

    Trump should have heeded his own words, “People say you don’t like China. No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. And we can’t sustain ourselves with that. It’s like, take the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team.”

  223. @Ron Unz

    See comment #6, above, on this.

  224. Sparkon says:
    @dimples

    The flaw in that scenario is the Chinese insist they didn’t have SARS-CoV-2 at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Obviously, if they didn’t have it at WIV, then it couldn’t have escaped from there. Of course, it’s possible they are lying.

    It’s also possible SARS-CoV-2 made its way to Wuhan by some prosaic, mundane means, nothing more devious or sinister than an ordinary visit to Wuhan by a villager from Yunnan province, or somewhere in SE Asia, who was infected with a bat coronavirus that mutated rapidly after it first jumped to a human.

  225. Agree with most of what you say. I still believe they let this thing in on purpose, if it wasn’t already here. I remember pointing out to friends way into the outbreak that airlines were still flying into the US from China and Italy as it was getting worse. Among other things. Shipping out PPE to others that we needed.

    I think all the racial tension being manufactured is part of the plan as well. What is the end game. Don’t know yet. Maybe a break up or “balkanization” of US. This looks a lot like what the US and allies did in Iraq asw ell as Yugoslavia. Stoke sectarian conflict. Use of false flags or media manufactured division, like the Basra Prison Incident in 2005.

    I’m near certain something bad is coming, economic collapse or war or both. You or Godfree should put together some kind of visual timeline, charts outlining all these important events by the dates, when the flights stopped, the PPE being shipped out, other events… Would make it easier to visualize what happened.

  226. @TG

    Fine, OK, they’re lying. I wouldn’t read those rags if you paid me.

    But your comments presuppose a question that lies elephanting all around de room.

    So what is it? Is it a hoax? Or is it biological warfare?

    Most of you go back and forth. Which shows even more cognitive dissonance than the New York Times.

    Unz is all for the biological warfare argument, and all against the hoax argument. So am I. It fits so much better.

    I like also how he points out that we’re going for half a million. That sounds like a lot of deaths to me, pace all you “oh, not many deaths” people. Can you even comprehend a half a million? I doubt it. Yes, I know, it’s a small percentage of the population. So what? I don’t understand, proudly don’t understand, percentages. What I understand is numbers. Raw numbers. A half a million corpses. That ain’t swiss cheese.

  227. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Add Anonymous 223 to my query about .maybe threeAnonymous numbers for one commenter.

    Actually, all eight comments by “Anonymous” are almost certainly by the same individual. The bracketed number next to an Anonymous is a hash derived from the IP address and is intended to allow readers to keep them straight. But the Anonymous on this thread keeps changing his IP (and also his Email) in order to disguise his identity. However, he’s not quite as clever as he thinks he is.

    Note how his first few comments were nasty personal insults, including attacking my insufficiently refined eating habits and my disdain for elegant clothing, tactics clearly meant to derail any substantive discussion of my article.

    But when that failed to have the desired effect, he switched to producing extremely long and detailed comments attempting to refute my analysis of the origins of Covid-19, comments totaling thousands of words. He (or his team) must have spent hours producing such lengthy explanations about why the American Deep State doesn’t really exist and certainly couldn’t have deployed bioweapons even if it did.

    Switching so seamlessly from nasty accusations and insults to very lengthy analytical critiques is hardly what you typically see among the agitated activist-types who hang around this website. And that certainly includes the many Jewish-activist types, whether or not they work with the ADL or AIPAC. It’s also quite unusual for a single commenter to keep changing his IP address so frequently.

    Given the many hours he’s obviously invested on this thread, I think he’s pretty clearly an “agent” who has been assigned here, quite possibly the same fellow who popped up a few months ago and kept forgetting the supposed details of his personal life-story.

    The extremely controversial content of our website naturally attracts large numbers lunatics, as well as many trolls or shills, including many Jewish activist-types. But I think we only very rarely draw this sort of “agent.” Readers of this thread can draw their own conclusions.

  228. @d dan

    As too often, your comment has little to do with the precise limited points I was making. But what does shock me is the sign of approval given by Ron which does no credit to his powers of discrimination and clear thinking. Obviously allies seeming to support his thin (though logically consistent) and speculative case are a bit short amongst the careful commenters on this thread.

    • Replies: @d dan
  229. Earlier this month the Times carefully tabulated our national mortality figures and determined that our “excess deaths” from early March to the end of July had already exceeded 200,000, indicating that the American body-count from our Covid-19 epidemic was considerably larger than generally assumed, and might even reach the half million mark by the end of the year.

    To be scrupulously accurate on covid deaths, we ought to try to tease the number of *deaths of despair* due to the deleterious psychological effects of the lockdowns themselves from the figure for “excess deaths” to arrive at the number of dead due to Covid-19. Lockdown related depression and substance abuse leading to overdose or suicide are estimated to be eventually as high as 75,000, and would be mixed in with the covid deaths in the excess death figure.

    https://wellbeingtrust.org/areas-of-focus/policy-and-advocacy/reports/projected-deaths-of-despair-during-covid-19/

    It therefore appears that elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency were aware of the deadly viral outbreak in Wuhan more than a month before any officials in the Chinese government itself. Unless our intelligence agencies have pioneered the technology of precognition, I think this may have happened for the same reason that arsonists have the earliest knowledge of future fires.

    I admit I was skeptical at first about this. What convinced me there was more to the story, and ultimately that you are on to something about the origins of the virus, was when it came out that a primary feature of this disease is that it causes coagulation just about everywhere in the body. I had never heard of a virus doing that, it seems to me to be an unmistakable mark of bioengineering, and a diabolical one at that, though I am no expert.

  230. @Ron Unz

    Interesting indeed. Agent organised by whom? Not at all obvious but I note that the possible Israeli connection I hypothesised some months back wrt the Iranian outbreak because there was almost instant claim to there being an Israeli vaccine isn’t obviously supported by anything in the anonymous posts. May I add my personal appreciation of the lunch we had in Palo Alto a few years ago despite your busy schedule. Even a Jewish grandmother would have approved the laundering and ironing of your shirt and the menu had nothing in common with American fast food😇😎

  231. @Ron Unz

    PS Maybe (5-10% possibility) the anonymous attack on your ccoherently stated conspiracy theory is to draw attention away from the real one. Or maybe just from a major source of political embarrassment. Indeed, if the problem in an election year is that Trump failed to read his daily briefing and refused to listen to his Secretary for Health for three weeks much could make sense.

  232. GMC says:
    @Truth

    No, I think the NWO /USA is just Warmin up – it’s really going to get Hot next year. Thanks T

    • Agree: Truth
  233. Iris says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    “The Big Lie”, which is most often attributed to Adolph Hitler and his lieutenants was actually developed by Britain…

    True. It is widely acknowledged in academia that Britain invented modern “Atrocity Propaganda” during WW1:

    https://books.google.dz/books?id=Byzv7rf6gL8C&pg=PA25&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

  234. @Rob McX

    COVID is a PSYCHOLOGICAL WEAPON and can be turned on and off by control of information and instructions such as: put on the masks and distance yourselves, or, take off the masks and you can go back to school, eat in restaurants, etc. So you could say that the Intelligence Agency that created it can easily control it, even at a distance. Or Fauci could allow everyone to use the known remedies such as HCQ which he has turned into controlled substances. Covid could instantly disappear, if, for example, you elect Biden.
    Good Dog!

  235. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope Mr. Unz is misleaded rather than disingenuous. I must presume some Anon’s points have struck home, and the only defense against them is to conflate them to a single unelegant and mischievous individual.

  236. @Pft

    Do you have links to authoritative sources for your timeline, or did you just make it up?

  237. @Bob

    The CCP has kept every promise it has made since 1951* and I have yet to catch it in a lie.

    If you have found it lying or being deliberately misleading, provide a link to it (not an allegation).

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-year_plans_of_China

  238. @Kevin Barrett

    China knew about the August outbreak in the US thanks to Chinese researchers correctly identifying a novel virus and fleeing to China with post-mortem tissue samples and lung imagery (which the CDC attributed to vaping–a connection later disproven by the Mayo Clinic).

    The FBI figured out what was going on (you may remember the hooha about Chinese stealing American medical knowledge at the time). They arrested a researcher afrom Boston Deaconess Hospital with the samples in his luggage, but two got through and raised the alarm.

    Beijing was primed for the arrival of the virus, which is why they were publicly furious when local officials delayed notifying them.

    • Replies: @Iris
  239. @Ron Unz

    It seems opportune now, while we are under siege from a pernicious organism and panicy ill-informed reactions are still widespread, to draw attention to an excellent British docudrama The Salisbury Poisonings which, so far as I have viewed an early episode seems to be a realistic recreation of what can happen when something like Novichek strikes an unprepared city. Apart from any help it might give to enlarging our imaginations and understanding what is and is not likely behaviour in circumstances not entirely different from those of the current pandemic it invites a look into the future – a scary one at that. I once fantasised that Taiwan might defend itself by threatening to set off dirty nuclear bombs already in place in China if it was invaded. Now I would choose the threat of spraying fine droplets of Novichek over cities, killing millions and making the cities virtually uninhabitable. Apparently a drop of Novichek can sit harmlessly and unseen on the arm of one’s jacket but kill if it is touched.

    Why North Korea has gone for vastly expensive nukes rather than nerve gases is worth thinking about.

    I don’t remember whether you, Ron, or only some UR commenters have taken the view that it was all a hoax or that, anyway, Russia had nothing to do with it. To me it seems so likely that killing Skripal and his daughter would be used as a warning to future traitors that I accept the Novichek version.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  240. @Ron Unz

    However, he’s not quite as clever as he thinks he is.

    They never are.

  241. Iris says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    China knew about the August outbreak in the US thanks to Chinese researchers correctly identifying a novel virus and fleeing to China with post-mortem tissue sample

    Hello Godfree. Please, is the above a logical conclusion you came up to by connecting the information dots that transpired at the time in US press, or did you gain further and later confirmation from Chinese sources?

    Also, what would have been Pr Charles Lieber’s inadvertent role in the Chinese finding out about a biological hazard being overlooked or masterminded in the US? Why was he indicted?

    At the very least, some “parties” within the US authorities look like they knew about a novel virus going on the loose first in America before infecting China, and did nothing about it, covering it up even.
    The order given not to undertake any PCR test in Jan/Feb 2020 simply beggars belief, if not for it being a straight admission of guilt. With kind regards.

  242. ruralguy says:
    @Ron Unz

    Anonymous’s posts are quite blunt, but you are right that they appear posted to harm you — a legal libel. They are puzzling, because they lack the usual harsh language most people use when insulting. If it is not emotional, it likely has a purpose. His accusations aren’t probative, so I hope others dismiss them as malicious, not factual — something that I failed to do.

    I very much enjoy the exceptional writing and gems of insightful comments on this site. I’m grateful, for the service you provide. I hope other readers see it this way.

  243. Rurik says:
    @Anonymous

    While it might be true that younger generations are protesting in favor of destructive nonsense on the streets, what they are fundamentally protesting is to uphold destructive policies, whereas the boomer generation protested to enact them in the first place.

    Imbecile

    (Ron hasn’t given me a button yet..)

    The ‘Boomers’ have their crosses to bear and their failings, (I too am 1961, and glad to see I’m in good company ; )

    But your keypad spittle is little more than puerile idiocy. 15 yr olds should have fought the system to their last gasps, eh?

    We need a button!

  244. Ron Unz says:

    Incidentally, I’d strongly recommend that everyone read an absolutely outstanding analysis of the details of the original Covid-19 outbreak in China now being published in Quillette:

    https://quillette.com/2020/08/24/the-china-syndrome-part-i-outbreak/

    The series is appearing in four parts, with the first, which itself runs almost 8,000 words, appearing a couple of days ago.

    I’d regard Quillette as one of the most “respectable” publications in the alt-media, almost like an extremely soft-core version of this webzine, making it the perfect venue for this sort of very important analysis. In the past, an article along these lines might have run in The Atlantic or the NYT Sunday Magazine, but not these days.

    The author’s main focus is establishing the right timeline of the initial discovery of the Covid-19 outbreak, and his analysis seems extremely persuasive and well-documented. It closely matches the conclusions of the WSJ investigative report that was mentioned in this column, but he goes into enormously greater depth and also works out the likely dates at which the local Wuhan authorities discovered the outbreak.

    One very intriguing element is that near the beginning he devotes a paragraph to discussing the secret DIA report on the outbreak that was distributed in November, and correctly notes that it “made no sense” since US intelligence could not possibly have discovered the existence of the outbreak at so early a date. He fails to mention the fact that the existence and distribution of the report was independently confirmed by Israeli television.

    The author seems like a very thorough researcher and my own articles highlighting the report and its implications have probably received something like a couple of hundred thousand pageviews over the last few months. So I think it’s reasonably likely that he came across my pieces, and read my analysis of the outbreak.

    If so, I think he handled the situation ideally well. He brought the alleged existence of the DIA report to the prominent attention of all his elite establishment readers and noted the total impossibility that the DIA could have discovered the outbreak by its intelligence methods. But he correctly avoided following any of my subsequent reasoning since promoting such a dangerous “conspiracy theory” would have ensured that his very long and important series of articles would never have appeared in any respectable venue. Different horses for different courses…

    Again, I strongly urge everyone interested in the topic to read Part I and all the subsequent pieces:

    https://quillette.com/2020/08/24/the-china-syndrome-part-i-outbreak/

    • Thanks: utu, AnonStarter, Tor597
    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    , @utu
  245. Rurik says:
    @Maowasayali

    And as early as 2017, this pandemic was predicted by no less than Dr. Anthony Fauci himself.

    What the hell is really going on?

    Like the AIDs hysteria, we can be absolutely certain that the media and PTB are telling agenda-driven lies. In fact, that’s pretty much all they do.

    But what is the agenda?

    We all know half the nation, and 90+ percent of the PTB, are in an unhinged meltdown over Trump’s presidency. They may be lying about the Cornhole virus simply to create an anti-Trump hysteria.

    In fact, I consider that a no-brainer. Wearing the diaper has become a sort of badge of ‘wokeness’, and by mandating the use of the diaper, they’re tying to mandate their anti-Trump butt-hurt so that even Deplorables will be forced to wear the badge of ‘wokeness’.

    All of that seems rather obvious, I would suggest.

    But what is the actual threat of the Cornhole?

    Where did it actually come from?

    Mr. Unz posits that it was orchestrated by elements within the ZUS to harm China and Iran and others. And I consider that possible. But I also wonder if the Cornhole wasn’t an ‘insurance policy’ against Trump. Certainly China wants Trump out of there and Obama and co. wants Trump out of there (so bad TDS bleeds out of their pores). Ukraine wants him out as does Mexico and the entirety of Latin America- and all the forces of wokeness world-wide. From Sweden to Germany to New Zealand, Climate Change is the issue of our time, and Trump’s ‘racism’ is a blot on the world’s wokeness, until he’s gone, and borders are erased and wokeness is triumphant!

    So it could be a gift handed to those who hate Trump, to use as a farce directed directly as the administration of Donald J. Trump and everything he represents to them = a functioning (often white) middle class and a semblance of order. IOW racism and oppression and Bubba’s racist 4×4 burning the planet to a crisp.

    Even if it wasn’t intended as such, and came about though no malicious intent, they’re still using it for that purpose, to destroy every semblance of normal life, because they’d do anything, ANYTHING to be rid of Trump.

    The only thing I see as certain, is that we’re being lied to.

  246. One of the best and most detailed reports about the outbreak of COVID-19 in China, part 1 of 4:
    https://quillette.com/2020/08/24/the-china-syndrome-part-i-outbreak/

  247. anon[133] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Meh. I and others have mentioned it before, but the libertarians in China were discussing problems in Wuhan a year before on their Yahoogroups, and stated there was a bizarre COVID outbreak in November 2019 in Wuhan.

    The Libertarian International org sent adherents e-mails on January 1 warning them to wear masks on medical indication, etc. That’s a day after the Chinese officially ‘knew’ (after attempting to silence people sounding the alarm). You go to the Libertarian International Facebooks they’ve been following it for months. The warning was recently updated and re-affirmed.

    My theory is simple: The CIA was simply monitoring the libertarians for its info. Not the first time. The far-left media has been bending all over itself to claim the Libertarians have been out of touch or even in some way responsible on the virus. Also, I wonder why Yahoo then shut down Yahoogroups.

    The WSJ article is lazy journalism. Maybe give the Libertarians the Pulitzer, shut down the CIA for the Libertarians, and Unz pay attention to them?

    BTW, the Chinese libertarians said the disease was the result of unsanitary lousy state healthcare in China. These are MD’s there, now. So much for conspiracies.

    • LOL: utu
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    , @d dan
  248. anon[164] • Disclaimer says:

    Anonymous, how are things at NHB? This evident Langley shill uses the CIA magic words “conspiracy theory” straight out of Memo 1035-960, but if you parse the verbiage, all the fact-free mental masturbation is directed at attacking the organizational basis. It’s the same “they wouldn’t do it that way” canard. Notice they debunk the vague strawman “deep state” and not the people who can do it and get away with it, CIA. The Langley shills don’t dare mention the C-word CIA. They don’t tell us when and why CIA stopped 70 years of obsessive germ warfare development and domestic testing.

    Bob Gates at UT rolled out the OPSEC trick of farming CIA’s germ warfare work out to grant-dependent second-rate public universities. In the case of SARS-COV-2, CIA farmed out synthesis to the Burnett-Womack Center at UNC’s public health school and put several of their veteran mad scientists on it. CIA caused the BWC-illegal weapon to be transferred to Battelle, which took it overseas to Kenema, Tblisi, and other labs, and subbed the work out for more-or-less plausible deniability. AMERITHRAX was the IOC, CIA’s first toe in the water of banned-weapon attack on the US civilian population. SARS-COV-2 is the Extended Operational Capability.

    CIA infected China and Iran with biological weapons in an illegal sneak attack, and infected the rest of the world to obscure attribution of their historic crime of aggression.

    CIA did this to all of us. We’re going to get these fuckers and make them pay.

  249. @anon

    I and others have mentioned it before, but the libertarians in China were discussing problems in Wuhan a year before on their Yahoogroups, and stated there was a bizarre COVID outbreak in November 2019 in Wuhan.

    So one and half months before Chinese virologists were able to determine the pathogen was a novel coronavirus, Chinese libertarians on Yahoogroups beat them to the punch?

  250. Loup-Bouc says:

    Among others, Rurik (comment # 250), anon[133] (comment # 252), anon[164] (comment # 253), and Mr. UInz play at juggling sundry questions or accusations concerning China’s or the CIA’s or the Deep State’s “liability” or evil or China’s innocence, incompetence, or naïveté or………

    And Mr. Unz (comment # 249) and “last straw” (comment # 251) tells us that

    One of the best and most detailed reports about the outbreak of COVID-19 in China, part 1 of 4:
    https://quillette.com/2020/08/24/the-china-syndrome-part-i-outbreak/

    That report’s Part 1 includes this pronouncement:

    [MORE]

    On December 31st, the Chinese authorities announced that a new virus was causing a cluster of viral pneumonia in Wuhan. According to the South China Morning Post (SCMP) which claims to have seen official Chinese documents, after the virus was identified as the cause of the outbreak, the Chinese authorities tried to find out who among the contacts of the known cases may have been infected earlier, and they found a case dating back to November 17th, 2019. This is roughly consistent with genetic evidence, which suggests that this novel coronavirus (since named SARS-CoV-2) originated in late November.

    That report’s author counsel us thus:

    Nevertheless, specific accusations should be backed by sufficient evidence and it’s important to examine whether the accusations made against the Chinese for their handling of the pandemic are in fact true on the merits. If they are, then hundreds of thousands of deaths and a great deal of economic hardship might have been avoided. If they are not, then we need the clearest possible picture of what did happen and we should avoid unwarranted accusations, however unpalatable China’s actions may otherwise be. Allegations of Chinese government mendacity have already contributed to worsening relations between China and the West, which could have serious consequences in the future. There may be good reasons to adopt a more aggressive foreign policy toward China, but such a policy should not be predicated on false premises. It’s therefore crucial to examine the factual basis of the accusations against China in a rational manner.

    Then (though not a lawyer but a “a PhD candidate in philosophy at Cornell University”), the report’s author, Philippe Lemoine (ah, a good French name), proceeds to present a series of accusation-and-“evidence” deconstructions that would make a good defense attorney proud — so that (and this is a good thing) the reader is left with a pound of ambiguity, a quart of uncertainty, and a magma pocket of indeterminacy.

    But Mr. Lemoine — and Rurik (comment # 250), anon[133] (comment # 252), anon[164] (comment # 253), and Mr. Unz — do not account, e.g., these:
    (1) https://www.rt.com/news/493085-covid-spain-march-2019-sewage/
    (2) https://www.rt.com/news/487294-france-coronavirus-strain-italy-china/
    (3) https://sputniknews.com/society/202005071079234407-covid-19-may-have-started-spreading-as-early-as-October-2019-study/
    (4) https://www.globalresearch.ca/dr-stefan-lanka-2020-article-busts-virus-misconception/5719146
    (5) https://www.globalresearch.ca/no-one-has-died-coronavirus/5717668
    (6) https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-closer-to-the-truth-tests-and-immunity/5720160
    (7) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7269891/
    (8) https://www.nature.com/articles/s10038-020-0808-9
    (9) https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/s12967-020-02344-6.pdf
    (10) https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/369/6506/1014.full.pdf
    (11) the matters treated in my below-listed comments — identified here-below by comment number — posted under Mike Whitney’s article “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/these comments
    # 180, # 250, # 259, # 267, # 272, # 314
    # 319, # 326, # 328, # 346, # 353, # 378
    # 381, # 384, # 388, # 389, # 390, # 391

    This — https://plandemicseries.com — is interesting, but conflicts with itself. That source’s self-conflict is far from amazing since, respecting the “Covid-19” “pandemic,” the only consistent, clear facts are unclarity, confoundment, ambiguity, indeterminacy, prevarication, misrepresentation, misinterpretation, misunderstanding, ignorance, bullshit, stupidity, and greed’s always-great-and-ingenious capacity of juicing profit from suffering and chaos. (Greed? I mean wealth-greed, power-greed, control-greed, notoriety-greed……..)

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  251. Odious Gnome Brian Stelter Publishes Book of Crackpot Anti-Fox News Theories

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  252. @Anonymous

    Read THE REPORT OF THEINTERNATIONAL SCIENTIFIC COMMISSION FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF THE FACTS CONCERNING BACTERIAL WARFARE IN KOREA AND CHINA.

    Its lead author, Sir Joseph Needham, FRA, was one of Britain’s most distinguished scientists.

    The operation involved labs (Ft Detrick among them), scientists, engineers, flight crews, legal staffs, and many more.

  253. @Wizard of Oz

    Really, you are a disgrace to the profession. Everybody has noticed that the instructions went out to disinformation agents weeks ago to start up again the Skripal propaganda in advance of the Navalny operation. You are so obvious as to be useless.

    • LOL: Polemos
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  254. @Agent76

    Nonsense. The COVID-19 Era is Effectively Over in China.  

    After a nine-day stretch of no new domestically transmitted cases of COVID-19, China’s health technocrats have quietly declared victory over the coronavirus epidemic – assuring the public that there will be no debilitating second wave.

    A careful examination of the reality on the ground in China over the past couple of months, including ongoing efforts to control localized mini breakouts, suggests that the health experts are correct.

    China’s methodological roadmap for stamping out local clusters of infection is clearly effective. While the coronavirus has not been completely eradicated from China (as it may never be), the Chinese government has mastered the art of local containment – and in a way that has only limited fallout for local economies.

    Meanwhile, China’s leaders have slowly but surely been rolling out ancillary policies that demonstrate a newfound confidence in the public health situation.

    Schools, theaters, and foreigners crossing the border have been China’s final frontier for coronavirus restrictions, and all three are now starting to normalize.[Trivium]

  255. Wade says:
    @Ron Unz

    Note how his first few comments were nasty personal insults, including attacking my insufficiently refined eating habits and my disdain for elegant clothing, tactics clearly meant to derail any substantive discussion of my article.

    Didn’t work. I’m glad he mentioned it though. It’s nice to know you’re a down to earth kind of guy like most the rest of us. Sounds like me in my 20’s: living in a not so tidy apartment and eating Mexican food from the same restaurant all the time while obsessively reading a lot of political oriented non-fiction.

    Otherwise, who cares whether you liked Burger King and Neil Diamond!

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  256. @Ron Unz

    He fails to mention the fact that the existence and distribution of the report was independently confirmed by Israeli television.

    If you can’t trust some random nameless bloke on Israeli television, then who can you trust…

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  257. Polemos says:
    @Sparkon

    I haven’t reached the end of the comments, so I am unaware if anyone has posted this article here.

    https://www.sciencerepository.org/sars-cov-2-natural-or-artificial-that-is-the-question_CMR-2020-1-106

    “SARS-Cov-2 Natural or Artificial? That is the Question”
    Alejandro Sousa
    Regional Hospital of Monforte, Lugo, Spain

    Let me just cut to the summary:

    [MORE]

    VI Summary of the Data Examined

    The various genetic peculiarities discovered in SARS-CoV-2 can be explained naturally. However, as the number of abnormalities causing some gain of function increases (such as better binding to the cells it infects and broadening the spectrum of cells it is able to penetrate), the statistical chances of such an event occurring decrease. randomly in nature.

    i. The SARS-CoV-2 virus has only recently appeared, and its evolution/transformation includes rare/absent characteristics in betacoronaviruses.

    ii. The SARS-CoV-2 protein S binds to the ACE2 receptor with an efficiency 20 times superior to that of the previous SARS-CoV, being even higher compared to other coronaviruses

    iii. Although SARS-CoV-2 shares most of its genome with BatCoV RaTG13 and RmYN02 bat coronaviruses but they differ widely in their S protein

    iv. Although SARS-CoV-2 and some pangolin coronaviruses have great similarity in their S protein but much lower in the rest of the genome.

    v. The SARS-CoV-2 protein S can be cut with the TMPRSS2 enzyme and cathepsins, which are present in some cell types.

    vi. The SARS-CoV-2 protein S expresses 12 extra letters (ccu cgg cgg gca) that allow the furin cut that is present in almost all human cells, which could explain its high transmissibility and virulence.

    vii. Only the HKU1, HCoV-OC43, MERS-CoV and MHV-A59 coronaviruses harbor multibasic cleavage sites in their S protein that allow for furin cleavage. This characteristic is totally absent in beta-coronaviruses (with monobasic binding sites). SARS-CoV-2 is the only known beta-coronavirus with this multibasic cutoff point.

    viii. The SARS CoV-2 protein S can bind to GRP78, something that only two Betacoronaviruses (MERS-CoV and bCoV-HKU9) can do, but that would involve the participation of the genes of these viruses in the creation of SARS-CoV-2.

    ix. SARS CoV-2 protein S can bind and penetrate a cell using CD147 protein just like the old SARS-CoV did

    x. The SARS-CoV-2 protein S surface expresses 3 inserts that generate a segment like HIV Gp120 that would allow it to bind to the CD4 receptor of cells of the immune system

    xi. The SARS-CoV-2 protein S expresses on the surface 1 insert that generates a segment similar to the HIV Gag

    xii. The SARS-CoV-2 can bind more strongly to the ACE2 receptor due to the reinforcement achieved with additional positive electrical charges (pI = 10.03) right next to the RBM

    xiii. During its evolution, SARS-CoV-2 has acquired so many novel features that it provides a gain-of-function in such a short period of time that the possibility that it had been created through reorganization, mutations, re-coupling or deletion processes is statistically tiny.

    xiv. In Wuhan, coronavirus chimeras have been created for 10 years, so thinking about a possible accidental escape is statistically more likely than the theoretical infection of a cell by two or more viruses simultaneously to create a new virus by recombining its genetic materials. infectivity + pathogenicity surpasses all existing coronaviruses.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  258. @ploni almoni

    OMG! I have you on my commenters to ignoreist and this garbage popped up in my Inbox. I suppose it might be heavy satire but I would rather you didn’t bother.

  259. @Anonymous

    How does a group of conspirators create a bioweapon with specific characteristics without testing it on human subjects over the course of several trials?

    As they have always done: by testing it on Americans.

    How could they get away with that?

    By ignoring the aged care home deaths and attributing the young ones to ‘vaping’ (a disease seen only in America, though Americans were 20% of vapers worldwide. The Mayo Clinic said the vaping story is bs).

    And by issuing cease and desist orders to anyone who wanted to test for the Coronavirus. SOP.

    And by banning testing until mid-March and refusing to test samples taken earlier.

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  260. d dan says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “As too often, your comment has little to do with the precise limited points I was making. “

    I did reply to your “precise limited points” (and more). If you don’t see it, you should read it more carefully. This discussion is all about timing (e.g. if the DIA report came out in Feb, we wouldn’t be having this debate at all). So pay attention to the months when events actually occurred.

  261. d dan says:
    @anon

    “Meh. I and others have mentioned it before, but the libertarians in China were discussing problems in Wuhan a year before on their Yahoogroups, and stated there was a bizarre COVID outbreak in November 2019 in Wuhan.”

    And here is the proof:

    • LOL: Chinaman
  262. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    I would like to see a meta-conspiracy article about the disinformation campaign and the rise of all kind of different covid skeptics, covid minimizer and covid negationists. A taxonomy itself of that would be very interesting. To what extend this phenomenon is astroturfed? To what extent the anti-covidianism is instigated by meme creation and some psy-op operations by foreign intelligence services (Russia? China? Israel?) and domestic political operatives (RNC to help Trump? DNC to hurt Trump?)? The basic question is who is harnessing the seemingly boundless pool of ignorance? It is hard to believe that the ignorance which by nature is chaotic would have self-organizing abilities to beat the law of entropy as clearly can be seen that the anti-covidianism keeps growing. I have an impression that more than 50% of UR commentariat belongs somewhere on the spectrum between the minimizers and negativists with various degree of irrational rationalization including many conspiratorial explanations. Why is it that this phenomenon is chiefly concentrated on the political right? Unless you take that voices of demagogues for hire like Mike Whitney and Israel Shamir should be counted as the ones from the left. Anyway, I would like to see an article about it.

  263. @Not Only Wrathful

    If you can’t trust some random nameless bloke on Israeli television, then who can you trust…

    An anonymous zionist troll, naturally.

  264. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    Thank you for linking this: Alejandro Sousa, “SARS-CoV-2 Natural or Artificial? That is the Question” (Regional Hospital of Monforte, Lugo, Spain), https://www.sciencerepository.org/sars-cov-2-natural-or-artificial-that-is-the-question_CMR-2020-1-106

    In the “summary” you put (copied from the above-cited article), two paragraphs are these (the second occurring immediately after the first):

    vii. Only the HKU1, HCoV-OC43, MERS-CoV and MHV-A59 coronaviruses harbor multibasic cleavage sites in their S protein that allow for furin cleavage. This characteristic is totally absent in beta-coronaviruses (with monobasic binding sites). SARS-CoV-2 is the only known beta-coronavirus with this multibasic cutoff point.

    Those paragraphs conflict with each other, critically.

    [MORE]

    The first paragraph distinguishes “HKU1, HCoV-OC43, MERS-CoV and MHV-A59 coronaviruses” from SARS-CoV-2 by observing that SARS-CoV-2 is a “beta-coronavirus.” The same paragraph states that SARS-CoV-2 is the only “beta-coronavirus” that shares a peculiarity of HKU1, HCoV-OC43, MERS-CoV and MHV-A59 coronaviruses — the peculiarity that they “harbor multibasic cleavage sites in their S protein that allow for furin cleavage.”

    But the second paragrpah states that the SARS CoV-2 protein S can bind to GRP78, something that only two ‘Betacoronaviruses’ (MERS-CoV and CoV-HKU9) can do.” That statement conflicts with the first paragraph’s distinguishing SARS CoV-2 from MERS-CoV by observing that SARS CoV-2 is a betacoronavirus (or “beta-coronavirus”) and, by necessary negative implication, observing that MERS-CoV is NOT a betacoronavirus.

    Perhaps the author did not intend the first paragraph to distinguish MERS-CoV from SARS CoV-2 as his ACTUAL language apparently DID distinguish it by observing that SARS CoV-2 is a betacoronavirus but MERS-CoV is not. But the author’s words are what they ARE.

    Otherwise, the summary’s language is very sloppy, as is his language of the two paragraphs discussed above. And his language’s sloppiness is remarkable, because it purports to address a microbiology/biochemistry field the involves extremely minute critically vital details.

    In the first above-quoted/above-discussed paragraph of the article, the author uses the term “beta-coronaviruses” — twice. In the second above-quoted/above-discussed paragraph of the article, the author uses the term “Betacoronaviruses.” Are we to infer that the author means to assert that if you remove the hyphen from “beta-coronaviruses” and make the “b” an upper-case “B” you render a microbiological distinction?

    Actually, MERS-CoV, HKU1, and HCoV-OC43 [an OC43 virus] are a “beta coronaviruses” (two words, lower-case “b,” no hyphen), as are SARS CoV and SARS CoV-2.
    * https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html
    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacoronavirus#Classification
    * https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/betacoronavirus

    MHV-A59 is a beta corona virus that causes hepatitis or pneumonia in mice.
    * https://swisscows.com/web?query=Virus%20MHV-A59&region=en-US
    * https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0882401087900660
    * https://www.researchgate.net/publication/270397312_Coronavirus_MHV-A59_infects_the_lung_and_causes_severe_pneumonia_in_C57BL6_mice
    * https://www.atcc.org/products/all/VR-764.aspx
    * https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/betacoronavirus

    MHV-A59 and SARS CoV viruses share the same nucleocapsid proteins and same IFN-ß antagonizing mechanism: attenuation of PACT-mediated RIG-I/MDA5 activation:

    Nucleocapsid (N) protein is the most abundant viral protein in CoV-infected cells, and has been identified as an innate immunity antagonist in several CoVs, including mouse hepatitis virus (MHV) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-CoV. However, the underlying molecular mechanism(s) remain unclear. In this study, we found that MHV N protein inhibited Sendai virus and poly(I:C)-induced IFN-ß production by targeting a molecule upstream of retinoic acid-induced gene I (RIG-I) and melanoma differentiation gene 5 (MDA5). Further studies showed that both MHV and SARS-CoV N proteins directly interacted with protein activator of protein kinase R (PACT), a cellular dsRNA-binding protein that can bind to RIG-I and MDA5 to activate IFN production. The N–PACT interaction sequestered the association of PACT and RIG-I/MDA5, which in turn inhibited IFN-ß production. However, the N proteins from porcine epidemic diarrhea virus (PEDV) and porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome virus (PRRSV), which are also classified in the order Nidovirales, did not interact and counteract with PACT. Taken together, our present study confirms that both MHV and SARS-CoV N proteins can perturb the function of cellular PACT to circumvent the innate antiviral response. However, this strategy does not appear to be used by all CoVs N proteins.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5564796/

    I have not found any respectable literature that shows MHV-A59 is zoonotic, as are, allegedly, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV viruses. But apparently an MHV-A59 mutant — MHV-H2 — may transfer to hamsters; and some research suggests (though far from conclusively) that an MHV-A59 mutant could be transferable to humans. https://jvi.asm.org/content/73/1/638

    The above-criticized article — Alejandro Sousa’s article “SARS-CoV-2 Natural or Artificial? That is the Question” — DOES NOT BEGIN to account the critical details I have outlined above or any of the numerous and sundry other details vital to the epidemiology field of which “Covid-19” is a now-most-important — near insanely beguiling — concern. The author’s — Alejandro Sousa’s — microbiological/biochemical errors (shown above) and his VERY sloppy language (criticized above) impeach, substantially, the article’s assertions.

    One must doubt whether Alejandro Sousa is a physician or a microbiologist or expert of some other medicine-related field — or a competent practitioner or researcher of ANY such professional community. The publication states only that the author is Alejandro Sousa, Regional Hospital of Monforte, Lugo, Spain. WHAT is his position at that hospital? Is he an intern? A nurse? A lab technician? An orderly? A janitor? At least one must doubt the validity of the article’s sloppy-at-best assertions.

    So, we have still more bullshit, confoundment, and causes of doubt of the numerous and sundry assertions concerning “Covid-19” — SARS CoV-2’s behavior (if any), its detectibility (if any), its pathological effects (if any), its susceptibility (in any) of effective immune-response, the duration (if any) of Covid-19 antibodies (if any), the “Covid-19” source (if any), the existence (if any) of “Covid-19,” even the existence of ANY “virus”-caused disease.

    The more I encounter articles — journalistic articles or professional periodical articles — videos, and Unz Review comments that address Covid-19, the closer I come to concluding, firmly, that Covid-19 is a hoax — either (a) an outright hoax, in that the virus does not exist or its alleged effects are nonexistent, or (b) a hoax in that its detection is actually a detection of some pathogen, disease, or mortality-cause other than a virus called “SARS CoV-2” or a viral “infection” or “syndrome” called “Covid-19.”

    • Replies: @Polemos
  265. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    All bullshit, partly a weird paranoia, and much word-salad.

  266. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Why would anybody choose as the basis for a bioweapon a pathogen they they know very little about that has shown a propensity to mutate easily and into forms with lethality you can’t predict ahead of time? We are seeing people with possible permanent damage to their heart and lungs. We don’t know if the long term health of the asymptomatic people have been compromised.

    You can talk about government incompetence if you want but I doubt the people in the bioweapons labs would be unaware of all these issues. I imagine they would rather use gene splicing to create a pathogen with the desired disease profile that is more stable and easily contained.

    The other viruses like anthrax and smallpox are those that are much more easily controlled if you have the vaccine or a proven therapy.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  267. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    I have an impression that more than 50% of UR commentariat belongs somewhere on the spectrum between the minimizers and negativists with various degree of irrational rationalization including many conspiratorial explanations.

    Ha, ha, ha. Among those commenters who seem at all interested in Covid-19, I think it’s more like 70%-80%, maybe even higher.

    Why is it that this phenomenon is chiefly concentrated on the political right? Unless you take that voices of demagogues for hire like Mike Whitney and Israel Shamir should be counted as the ones from the left.

    Among our regular columnists Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir, C.J. Hopkins, and Gilad Atzmon all clearly fall into that category, and they’re all on the Left so the skew is hardly as rightwing as you suggest. I’d be amazed if any of them isn’t totally sincere in his beliefs on the issue.

    To what extend this phenomenon is astroturfed? To what extent the anti-covidianism is instigated by meme creation and some psy-op operations by foreign intelligence services

    Frankly, I’m very puzzled by the whole thing myself. But I don’t particularly see any hidden hand manipulating things, with the notable exceptions of Trump/FoxNews (for political reasons) and some business interests (horrified by the impact of the lockdowns).

    Maybe it’s like that QAnon thing, which seems to have gotten started randomly, and exploded on the Internet because so many people *want* to believe it’s true.

    The whole thing seems totally crazy to me, but since I’m outnumbered almost 10-to-1 on these comment-threads, maybe I’m really the crazy one…

    • Thanks: utu
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @utu
  268. Ron Unz says:
    @MarkinLA

    Why would anybody choose as the basis for a bioweapon a pathogen they they know very little about that has shown a propensity to mutate easily and into forms with lethality you can’t predict ahead of time?

    Well, I’m certainly no biowarfare expert, and for the reasons I explained upthread I also tend to be very cautious about accepting any of the conflicting scientific/technical claims published in the MSM or academic journals. That’s why my analysis was entirely focused upon basic issues of timing and “coincidence” that can’t be fabricated.

    But you might want to take a look at this piece from several months ago, consisting of the comments by an anonymous individual republished from a small website. I did some investigation, and I believe there’s a high likelihood he’s exactly who he claims to be, namely a 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    Also, bat-viruses like Covid-19 are apparently very widely regarded as ideal for weaponization. Here’s a piece by Whitney Webb regarding America’s own biowarfare problem:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

  269. @Ron Unz

    “300 military officers [sic]”.
    Aha! After wondering whether you had a thing about officers (which perhaps one of the Anonymous critics might slaver over) I went off in search of your saying or just repeating, in a long past thread, that the Jewish soldiers in the Wehrmacht were, improbably to my mind, nearly all combat officers. Now, I wake up to the simple answer. Your Autofill produced “officers” instead of “athletes”. N’est-ce pas?
    May I suggest this as a reminder to all on UR threads of the general truth “if the choice is between a cock up and a conspiracy, put your money on the cock up”.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  270. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “300 military officers [sic]”…Your Autofill produced “officers” instead of “athletes”. N’est-ce pas?

    Well, it was the 2019 World Military Games, so all the 300 American participants were members of the U.S. armed forces. Here’s a mid-October news story about their arrival in Wuhan:

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-10/15/c_138473332.htm

    I’ll admit I was using “officers” loosely, since many of them may have been enlisted servicemen.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  271. Dissident says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Of course with the necessary proviso that you are of the female persuasion.

    What are you, some kind of homophobic relic or something? It’s 2020. Love is love. (Czar Chasm)
    ~ ~ ~
    Pack-up the babies and grab the old ladies….

    Was disgusted when I heard, in one of Neil Diamond’s more recent live performances, his adding “gay and straight” to the lyrics of that great song (Brother Love’s Travellin Salvation Show)

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  272. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mike Whitney, Israel Shamir, C.J. Hopkins, and Gilad Atzmon…they’re all on the Left….

    Israel Shamir “on the left”? Had you eaten magic mushrooms before you wrote that? Or do you confuse Shamir’s arguing for personal liberty with leftist politics? Do you think libertarianism is “leftist”?

    Shamir’s writing fits classical conservatism and libertarianism, not the sordid “vision” of the left. Likewise, Shamir’s opposing Zionism, which would enslave, at least politically and economically, most humans who do follow the religion of Yahweh.

    I do not know the writing of C.J. Hopkins, but, having read some of Mike Whitney’s stuff, I must wonder what are your premises for saying he is “on the left”?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  273. @Ron Unz

    What admirable candour !

    I am left with a faint interest in speculating as to how two educated people could be mentally formed so that one only (moi) could not possibly have used “officers” loosely as you did. After all it is not as though you haven’t been interested in great commanders (Alexander) and known generals (Bill Odom). It could be as simple as my being a bit older and having spent about 9 years in part time military activity from school cadets cadet officer training, national service and on to university air squadron and parachute training (thank you UK taxpayer for the fun of the last two).

  274. Polemos says:
    @Kevin Barrett

    It’s not “intelligence” if China listens in on public release of information among friends, right? So maybe it’s an open signal to start things by letting them know that we know now the Big Other knows. US loudly says they’re seeing something, so China let’s them see that something, so that everyone else not in on the role play won’t see that the US and China are seeing it from the same point of view, because you don’t see what their Big Other sees, you only see what you imagine with models.

    Little kids role-playing tell the other kids what they’re imagining, and some kids improv along while other kids need to know the script or don’t play at all. “All the world a stage,” for kids no longer little.

  275. Polemos says:
    @Anonymous

    Unz essentially falls victim to a positive reinforcement feedback loop.

    But isn’t that also the case for truth?

    Or do you think the truth is not self-reinforcing, reality-affirming, nor fantasy-denying? Why pursue the truth, if it doesn’t encourage us to do so?

    Otherwise, interesting narrative management. You reveal enough truth to show that every country you mentioned has enough elements inside them with the right motivations to see to it that the virus comes their country’s way, because key internal groups will all benefit from the changes happening in their countries regardless of the official positions of those countries. Lock downs and Shake ups worldwide happen right now, and it’s supposed to be absurd to think they’re coordinated yet sober to think it’s more like a world of uncorrupted spies and uncorrupted scientists and uncorrupted geeks doing business alongside uncorrupted corporations and bureaucrats? Hmm.

    Rather than out Unz as conspiracy theorist, you with subtlety show that every country has its own groups with reasons to try and change the world, and their reasons don’t even need to be aligned ideologically, nor on “the same side.” Not one grand conspiracy, but all of them as little hidden agreements internally — “if anything” or “at best” it’s just businessmen conducting business on business trips, and someone would have told the consumers by now.

    So, nothing personal, just . . . business?

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
  276. @Loup-Bouc

    WSJ and Quillette are tools of financial capitalism. They would do their utmost to avoid producing a conspiratorial or even an excessively accusatory piece regarding either China or the U.S., since that would upset the “market”. I haven’t bothered to read the WSJ piece, but the one from Quillette is a waste of time.

    Thanks for the links.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  277. Polemos says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    You make an interesting criticism of the paper regarding whether or not the paper intends to argue MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus, but I get the feeling that if you’re going to argue the paper is sloppy because it is inconsistent with its hyphens and its capitalization, you should probably be doing your own best to be consistent with your grammar and hyphens, too. Maybe this comment thread is not a place for the kind of technical detail that you are adducing is vital for microbiology, but you present as a knowledgeable person committed to a principle for attending to details enough that you’re willing to therefore discount a paper for its summary without reckoning with its own details; therefore, shouldn’t you be consistently consistent with your own measure and hold yourself accountable to your own judgments of others?

    I’m sure you will find your own typos and mistakes when you look, because how could you not see them — when you take the time to reflect and proof your work?

    I am not sure if you did read the whole paper or were decided that you had no need to challenge your own foregone conclusion about what everyone else could publicly say about their observations and inferences — because it does read as though you didn’t check out the whole paper, having only criticized material I quoted. I don’t know if the paper didn’t address the problem you have with mouse hepatitis and its similarities with SARS-CoV-2, but I am also not sure that would be enough to conclude there is more bullshit, confounding, and reasons to doubt anyone knows anything about what SARS-CoV-2 is and does in the wild.

    The quickest way, I guess, for you to know some things, if that’s what you need to challenge your conclusions (if any?) about the virus (if any) or any other virus (if any), is to seek out people infected (if any) and infect yourself, then use yourself as a good case study (if any) for how to examine a communicable hoax: get thee to a nursing home! 🤒

    If any time spent in this way gathering direct information succeeds in gaining you more wisdom and knowledge about the virus, some might agree you will benefit far in excess of what you might have lost, but you will certainly demonstrate that you are not afraid of a lie, a “big lie” even, and isn’t living without fear the goal of living-towards-Truth?

    Either way, I appreciate your time and dedication to the dissemination of your doubts (if any) and value your style as a participant. I look forward to seeing how else you poke holes in the rest of the paper (if any) already linked. 🙂

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  278. Ron Unz says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Israel Shamir “on the left”? Had you eaten magic mushrooms before you wrote that? Or do you confuse Shamir’s arguing for personal liberty with leftist politics? Do you think libertarianism is “leftist”?

    Well, Israel Shamir has always been a great admirer of Stalinist Communism:

    A hundred years ago, Lenin and Stalin solved all their problems by cutting the Gordian knot of greed. They modernised their country, they gave people hope, they offered a choice for the workers. They did not turn Russia into a paradise, though the Soviet Russia of the 1960s had been as developed and as prosperous as any core country of Western Europe.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/facing-aurora/

    Anti-Stalinist campaign was a powerful ideological weapon in the war for discourse, for images of Lenin and Stalin were sacred to the Soviet people. Myopic Khrushchev thought he fights a war for Stalin’s legacy against other Stalin’s ministers; but he undermined the sacral structure of Soviet Communism and damaged it irreparably. Looking back, we understand that major share of the Western leftists’ complaints against Stalin and against the USSR were without merit.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/our-happy-bygone-days/

    I’ve always regarded Stalinist Communism as being “on the left” though I suppose if you’re a fanatical Maoist you might disagree…

    I do not know the writing of C.J. Hopkins, but, having read some of Mike Whitney’s stuff, I must wonder what are your premises for saying he is “on the left”?

    Their archives are available on this website, just take a look and the evidence will be even stronger.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  279. Dan Hayes says:
    @Dissident

    Neil Diamond – the Philosopher King troubadour. Ya gotta be kidding!

  280. gay troll says:
    @Wade

    A shekel saved is a shekel earned.

  281. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    If SARS CoV 2 is the classified agent that breached decontamination at Fort Detrick last year, there is little to suggest whether is was an accidental or intentional breach. Even if the breach was accidental, the ensuing coverup and deployment of the virus against China (and Iran) would be clearly intentional. Could be TPTB not letting a crisis go to waste, but the intentionality of coverup and deployment suggests the breach may have been intentional as well. In this case, it is important to consider that when a BSL specimen (such as a novel coronavirus) is taken out of storage, it should be passed through a host population for several generations to regain its fitness.

    All things considered, I do believe the bug breached Fort Detrick accidentally. The decontamination system had recently switched from a chemical to a thermal process, and the new process was insufficient for sterilization. Fort Detrick underwent a months long remediation process before reopening. Another factor suggesting accidental release is the relative benignity of the virus. It kills maybe 1/750 of the people it infects. It is more likely to be a vaccine prototype than a weapon. Yet disinformation is as layered as an onion.

    The first strategy in the course of a coverup would be to ignore the virus and maybe blame it on the flu, but then young people started dying. Next strategy would be to blame the young victims on vaping. But at the moment TPTB recognized the outbreak could neither be concealed nor controlled, a decision was made to pin the origin of the virus on Wuhan. I believe this moment came in September 2019, when EVALI “peaked” and the Fed started offering repurchase liquidity to banks. Event 201 was held the following month.

    I will gladly back off of this theory when the CDC declassifies the nature of the breach at Fort Detrick and provides evidence for their assertions about EVALI. They can also explain why they weren’t letting Americans get tested for SARS CoV 2 in March.

    • Thanks: Polemos
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  282. @Ron Unz

    Further to my excursion to The Salaisbury Poisonings (a four parter of which I have now caught the ending from a new and improved angle on my exercise bike where I count 10 minutes towards my 10,000 paces a day if not achieved by 8 pm curfew**)

    [MORE]
    it struck me when local friends of the Skripals were only able to visit Julia (and only once) because Sergei was too ill that the conspiratorial nonsense I remember reading on UR in 2018, based on no one knowing where the Skripals were or how they were, was easily answered. The two part answer is that they remained very ill and, possibly, that the British and allied governments didn’t want to let Russia know just what effect it had achieved or advertise the key fact behind it. That key fact, surely beyond any serious doubt, is that old KGB man Putin chose the long retired Skripal as the perfect case for warning never to betray Russia. Also no harm at all in sending a FU message to America’s now pathetic little ally and similarly placed NATO countries. Better still, contrary to some amateur punditry, that it was in an election year. (How many Russian voters were going to be upset to learn that a traitor had got his just desserts?).

    ** Victoria was never a convict colony so why can its government expect compliance from citizens whose state got its big start from goldminesrs in the 1850s? It will be interesting to learn one day how many of the $1500 -(now) 5000 on-the-spot fines are ever paid. My mind goes back to hospital nurses who ran up $40,000 in parking fines before effectually commuting them to a long weekend imprisoned in the local lock up. Interesting though that in the big park on which I live I haven’t seen any of hundreds of dog walkers, cyclists or joggers without masks.

    *** *** ***

    My searches for the most sceptical 2018 UR treatments of the Skripal poisonings didn’t get further than this rather undistinguished contribution to the Giraldi oeuvres:
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/russiagate-comes-to-england/

  283. @utu

    Here is an experienced medical doctor’s detailed, well-sourced, cogent assessment of the virus’s apparent lethality — and the systematic exaggeration and lying employed in developing alleged “covid-19 death” statistics.

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    Here are the experience and advice of the doctor and his colleagues on the treatment of covid-19 disease:

    https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

    As this medical professional apparently is not an unz.com commentator, and does not deny that the virus exists and kills or hastens the death of some people like other flu strains do, your criticisms do not apply to him.

    What SUBSTANTIVE responses do you have to his reasoning, methods, and assessment of the accurate and alleged medical evidence? And calling him a “negativist” or some other content-free jargon doesn’t substitute for an argument or evidence.

    • Replies: @utu
  284. Anon[302] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It is highly exaggerated to say that Ron Unz controls California. Liberals idiots control California, and every time they try to say that someone else controls them, it’s to deflect scrutiny away from their failures.

  285. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    I cannot spare time enough to proofread this comment. I shall struggle hard to avoid committing typing errors. But I type poorly. I apologize now for any typing errors I may commit.

    Your comment’s first sentence includes this language:

    You make an interesting criticism of the paper regarding whether or not the paper intends to argue MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus….

    That was NOT my argument, or any part of it. You did not READ my comment.

    Also, “whether or not” [your language] is illogical and redundant, always. “Whether X is Y” suffices — just as the subjunctive “may” suffices and “may or may not” is illogical and redundant.

    [MORE]

    “John wonders whether X is Y” asserts that John thinks X may not equal Y or may not bear Y characteristic(s). But “John wonders whether or not X is Y” equals “John wonders whether X is Y and whether not-X is Y.” If X implies not-Y, then not-X implies Y (“Y,” here, meaning “Y is true”): per “truth logic,” if X is false (not-X) and Y is true, then not-X [or X-false] implies Y-true. See,e.g., this: https://math152.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/x-implies-y-is-true-when-x-is-false-y-is-true/

    Hence, “whether or not X is Y” is redundancy owed to failure of logic.

    See the matter another way: “Whether X is Y” is an expression of doubt concerning the relation (equivalence? union? intersection? mutual exclusion?…….) of Y and X; and the same doubt is expressed with “whether X is not Y.” So, “whether or not X is Y” is redundancy owed to failure of logic.

    Your “whether or not” trouble epitomizes one of the major troubles of your comment. Your comment is very redundant, and discursive — a magnificent feat since your comment is not very long. Your comment bears much word-salad. More important: your comment does NOT say ANYTHING — though, like its initial sentence, it indicates, as I show below, that you did not READ my comment to which your comment replies. But before that showing, I owe recognition of two typing errors of my comment to which your comment replies.

    In my comment [August 27, 2020 at 2:11 am GMT (comment # 270)], two sentences are:

    (1) Actually, MERS-CoV, HKU1, and HCoV-OC43 [an OC43 virus] are a “beta coronaviruses” (two words, lower-case “b,” no hyphen), as are SARS CoV and SARS CoV-2.

    (2) “MHV-A59 is a beta corona virus that causes hepatitis or pneumonia in mice.”

    In sentence (1), the language “are a” ought to be only “are” (NOT “are a”) — the “a” being a typing error.

    In sentence (2) the language “corona virus” ought to be “coronavirus” (no space between “corona” and “virus”) — the space being a typing error.

    I regret those typing errors. But, my comment is only an Unz Review reader’s comment — not a science paper published in a scientific journal. Had I sought scientific journal publication of a formal microbiology tract, I would have double-proofed my language (read it aloud while, simultaneously, another person read, silently, a hard copy of the tract’s penultimate draft).

    But the two above-confessed typing errors were the ONLY errors of my comment. [One finds both “betacoronavirus” and “beta coronavirus” in the medical and microbiology/biochemistry literature. Coronaviruses are of two types — “alpha” and “beta.” https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html Hence, often (though far from always) professional texts’ use the language “alpha coronavirus” and “beta coronavirus” — rather than “alphacoronavirus” and “betacoronavirus.”]

    Now the problem that you did not READ my comment:

    Your comment asserts, among else, this:

    (a) that I did not read the entirety of Alejandro Sousa’s article or even that I criticized merely the “summation” you put in your comment to which my comment replied
    (b) that much I criticized merely Mr. Sousa’s English language usage — grammar, punctuation, etc. — not the article’s “science”
    (c) that my substantive criticism consisted merely of my addressing whether the article “intends to argue MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus”
    (d) that I have not tested my “Covid-19” perception on myself:

    The quickest way, I guess, for you to know some things, if that’s what you need to challenge your conclusions (if any?) about the virus (if any) or any other virus (if any), is to seek out people infected (if any) and infect yourself, then use yourself as a good case study (if any) for how to examine a communicable hoax: get thee to a nursing home!

    I read the entirety of Mr. Sousa’s article. I quoted his article by copying language set in the article’s online-published text — not from the summary you put in your comment.

    I criticized not only Mr. Sousa’s English language usage, but also, and much more significantly, his science-language or his language that purported to state scientific points. Where I observed, critically, his using “beta-coronavirus” twice in one paragraph but “Betacoronavirus” (NOT at a sentence-beginning) in a second paragraph, my criticism was NOT his English-language diction or punctuation, but this:

    In the first above-quoted/above-discussed paragraph of the article, the author uses the term “beta-coronaviruses” — twice. In the second above-quoted/above-discussed paragraph of the article, the author uses the term “Betacoronaviruses.” Are we to infer that the author means to assert that if you remove the hyphen from “beta-coronaviruses” and make the “b” an upper-case “B” you render a MICROBIOLOGICAL distinction?

    [Emphasis and all-caps added here.]

    My point was that in Mr. Sousa’s apparent attempt of distinguishing SARS Covid-2 from sundry other coronaviruses, especially the few-years-earlier SARS CoV, Mr. Sousa failed risibly: he rendered no actual, pertinent, significant distinction, but only the linguistically at-best-negligent difference of “beta-coronaviruses” versus “Betacoronaviruses.”

    With my general criticism that Mr. Sousa’s language was sloppy, my point was not merely that his English-language usage was poor, but also, and much more importantly, that his “scientific” expressions were sloppy:

    Perhaps the author [Mr. Sousa] did not intend the first paragraph to distinguish MERS-CoV from SARS CoV-2 as his ACTUAL language apparently DID distinguish it by observing that SARS CoV-2 is a betacoronavirus but MERS-CoV is not. But the author’s words are what they ARE.

    Words do not communicate thoughts (as if thoughts played cargo of a ship of syntax). Words ARE the thoughts they communicate.

    John speaks a sentence. Mary observes John meant “X.” John replies he did not intend “X,” but failed to communicate his true thought, “Z.”

    John mistakes reality. He bore three thoughts: (1) the thought John’s stated words made and Mary received as X (for, despite John’s protest, he could not state a thought he did not bear); (2) the thought Z, which John’s stated words did not form; (3) the thought, Y, that John mis-communicated Z, so that Mary received Z as X.

    Except typing errors, we mean exactly what we say and say precisely what we mean—not more, not other, not less. Except typing errors, we bear utter responsibility for the full actuality, and every meaning, of every word we state. We cannot know whether Mr. Sousa’s “beta-coronaviruses” versus “Betacoronaviruses” language was mere tying error. We must presume Mr. Sousa intended that language.

    Even in my criticism of the two paragraphs my earlier comment addressed, my point was NOT that Mr. Sousa erred because he argued “that MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus” [your language]. And actually, Mr. Sousa’s actual language indicates that he did NOT argue that MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus, but, rather, that it is NOT such.

    Rather, my point was that Mr. Sousa’s biochemistry is much wrong. I did not criticize more of his text because a thorough criticism would require perhaps 25,000 words. But here I shall point up at least one other serious error of Mr. Sousa’s text.

    Mr. Sousa’s core proposition was that microbiological evidence suggests SARS CoV-2 is synthetic (man-made) not “natural.” His “evidence” includes not only his truly incompetent two paragraphs I criticized in my first comment addressing Mr. Souza’s thesis, but also this:

    The SARS-CoV-2 protein S expresses on the surface 1 insert that generates a segment similar to the HIV Gag [sic]

    Mr. Souza’s apparent argument was that SARS CoV-2 must be a lab-synthesized virus because it bears a segment of HIV structure. Earlier in his text, Mr. Souza asserts that SARS CoV-2 bears an HIV-like gene has not been detected in the former SARS-CoV, MERS, or Bat-CoVRaTG13.”

    The key trouble is that “similar to the HIV Gag” and “HIV-like gene” CANNOT prove a lab inserted an HIV gene into the earlier SARS CoV virus or a mutation of that virus (or even some other virus) to produce a synthetic SARS CoV-2. And the language “similar to the HIV Gag” and “HIV-like gene” just begs the question whether the “Gag” or “gene” could have occurred either because of mutation of the earlier SARS CoV virus or some other beta coronavirus that, somehow, became “SARS CoV-2.”

    The language “similar to the HIV Gag” and “HIV-like gene” is flagrantly sloppy junk-science. Minute — even hyper-microscopic — chemical differences matter, immensely. To many alopathy-seduced perceptions, HIV is special because, supposedly, it defeats or substantially impairs the human immune-system’s attacking HIV.

    Even if SARS CoV-2 bears a “Gag” or “gene” similar to an aspect of HIV structure, that “fact” can say nothing concerning whether SARS CoV-2 was synthesized to resist human immune-system attack. In adducing an assertion of “Gag” or “gene” similar to an aspect of HIV structure, Mr. Souza relies on studies that do not show such “Gag” or “gene” will enable the virus to evade human immune-system attack. But allopathy [American, British, Russian, Chinese] has asserted that it has produced vaccines effective against SARS CoV-2.

    When allopathy attempted to produce an anti-HIV vaccine, it failed much because the vaccine would need to produce intracellular immunity (since HIV impaired or withstood antibody or other extracellular attack). See also below. That failure proves only allopathy’s inadequacy owed much to its anti-holism. See also below.

    I am a physician (and a law professor). But, though my medical education, internship, and residency occurred in American allopathic institutions, I do not practice allopathy (or osteopathy, homeopathy, or naturopathy). HIV infection and — less frequently — AIDS are curable with four means, applied concurrently, and daily:
    (1) certain dietary structures that include certain vegetables that (in the right dietary and lifestyle context) induce HIV-resisting intracellular immunity
    (2) a certain natural substance that properly-fed human infant and young child biochemistry produces in quantity sufficient to prevent and cure most virus infections, most fungal infections, some gram positive bacteria infections, and a few types of Re mutant gram negative bacteria infection [For some indication of the meaning of “Re mutant gram negative bacteria,” see, e.g., https://academic.oup.com/femspd/article/18/3/139/495201 .]
    (3) certain Chinese medicine herbs
    (4) a certain strong probiotic, delivered in an enteric-coated medium, always refrigerated (even during production), and taken with 4 ounces of pure water at least 1 hour before ingestion of a first meal or of any fluid other than pure water

    Now your criticism that I have not tested my “Covid-19” perception on myself

    Whatever their ultimate outcomes, my wife’s case and mine would be immensely weak anecdotal evidence that would prove NOTHING to the medical community — or even to me, since my wife and I have not submitted to a “Covid-19” test [molecular (RT-PCR or LAMP), antigen (virus-surface: spike membrane, small envelope, nucleocapsid proteins), or antibody].

    Still, my wife and I have had contact with two humans whose “Covid-19” tests’ results were “positive.” And since the third week of March of this year, my wife and I have applied to ourselves the four measures I adumbrated above. [I have not suggested to any other individual that she, or he, use any of those 4 measures.] My wife and I are of the age groups most “stricken by Covid-19.” (She will be 70 in 2 months, and I will reach 80 in three months.) But, despite having contact with two humans whose “Covid-19” tests’ results were “positive,” we have not had any symptom allegedly associated with “Covid-19.”

    Do not infer that because I have followed the 4-measure prevention-regimen I adumbrated above, I concede that the Covid-19 pandemic is real. My conduct reflects only rational over-caution. Because I cannot know, surely, whether SARS CoV-2 is and does anything like what the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION and the U.S. Center For Disease Control and the Fauci-monster, etc., assert, I err on the side of caution — especially since the 4 measures cost very little time or money.

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    , @Polemos
  286. @gregor

    Protocol 6.5: “In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan.”
    So why should Zionist China attack Zionist America? Has any Zionist been hurt?

  287. utu says:
    @RadicalCenter

    “As this medical professional…”– Do you mean Dr. Paul Marik, the epigone of Linus Pauling and his vitamin C monomania?

    Study quashes controversial vitamin C treatment for sepsis with global trial
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-01/mu-sqc011520.php

    In today’s JAMA publication a study led by Professor Rinaldo Bellomo, from Monash University and Co-Director of the Australian and New Zealand Intensive Care Research Centre (ANZIC-RC), refutes the idea that the combination of high dose intravenous vitamin C, thiamine (vitamin B1) and hydrocortisone is beneficial in the treatment of sepsis.

    Vitamin Treatment For Sepsis Fails In Large Trial
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/17/797058463/vitamin-treatment-for-sepsis-fails-in-large-trial

    The largest scientific study published to date has now reported its findings. It finds no benefit at all from the “Marik cocktail.” It involved more than 200 patients in Australia, New Zealand and Brazil.

  288. utu says:
    @utu

    Roman Catholic Church has Saint Jude’s who is the patron saint of desperate cases and lost causes. You suppose to pray to him when everything else failed when almost all hope is lost. Dr. Paul Marik suffers form St. Jude syndrome. Actually he aspires to be St. Jude and offers hope and solace to those who are losing with deadly diseases like sepsis or are in fear of contracting one. He comes up with ‘cocktails’ to cure it. He comes up with with a potion and ritual that suppose to ward off the Covid-19. And people including some doctors believe because they want to have hope and give it a shot and it seems to work until a scientific study is conducted showing that prayers to St. Jude do not show statically significant efficacy.

  289. @gay troll

    The first strategy in the course of a coverup would be to ignore the virus and maybe blame it on the flu, but then young people started dying. Next strategy would be to blame the young victims on vaping. But at the moment TPTB recognized the outbreak could neither be concealed nor controlled, a decision was made to pin the origin of the virus on Wuhan. I believe this moment came in September 2019, when EVALI “peaked” and the Fed started offering repurchase liquidity to banks. Event 201 was held the following month.

    Thanks. I had not thought of that sequence, which I find persuasive.

    Do you have more information on the EVALI September peak?

    And do you see any connection between that peak, bank liquidity, and Event 201?

    • Replies: @gay troll
  290. @utu

    Never underestimate Chinese libertarians on Yahoogroups.

  291. @utu

    Far from having a monomania about Vitamin C, Pauling investigated it at the behest of a Scottish clinician, who sent him some interesting clinical results.

    Pauling was, at the time, involved with far weightier investigations and maintained his interest in Vitamin C as a sideline.

    His work was sabotaged for the American pharmaceutical industry, whose monomaniacal hatred of Vitamin C has never flagged.

    Chinese physicians (whose survival stats are far better than ours) found that one of the most effective clinical treatments for patients hospitalized with Covid-19 is IV Vitamin C, and one of their greatest puzzlements is that US hospitals absolutely refuse to use it.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Loup-Bouc
  292. utu says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I always suspected you were a kook. Your blind belief in China could not be explained any other way. I knew that your belief system must be leaking somewhere on the peripheries and only time would show when you would out yourself. Thank you for not taxing my patience too much.

    “Chinese physicians (whose survival stats are far better than ours) found that one of the most effective clinical treatments for patients hospitalized with Covid-19 is IV Vitamin C, and one of their greatest puzzlements is that US hospitals absolutely refuse to use it.”

    Yes, it works but only in combination with a bile form a Tibetan bear and few grams of extract from the left testicle of rhinoceros. And chanting from the Mao’s Little Red Book while barefoot on a moonless night also helps.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  293. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    His work was sabotaged for the American pharmaceutical industry, whose monomaniacal hatred of Vitamin C has never flagged.

    Chinese physicians (whose survival stats are far better than ours) found that one of the most effective clinical treatments for patients hospitalized with Covid-19 is IV Vitamin C, and one of their greatest puzzlements is that US hospitals absolutely refuse to use it.

    Cite proofs of your assertions. My pertinent learning, and medical experience, refute your assertions. But they are YOURS, so prove they are true.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  294. Poco says:
    @Iris

    Well, It is the deadliest most contagious disease in history. It’s actually a miracle that every single athlete there didn’t get it and croak.

  295. @Brás Cubas

    I haven’t bothered to read the WSJ piece, but the one from Quillette is a waste of time.

    Indeed, why waste time on another wild goose chase?

    Our oligarchs openly tell us their agendas in their white papers. Simply read their white papers and you will find out what is really going on.

    The script or “scenario” for Covid-19 was planned and written decades ago. In 2010, the Rockefeller Foundation published Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development. On page 18, we find:

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    Scenario Narratives

    LOCK STEP

    A world of tighter top-down government control and more authoritarian leadership, with limited innovation and growing citizen pushback In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009’s H1N1, this new influenza strain—originating from wild geese—was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. The pandemic also had a deadly effect on economies: international mobility of both people and goods screeched to a halt, debilitating industries like tourism and breaking global supply chains. Even locally, normally bustling shops and office buildings sat empty for months, devoid of both employees and customers.

    The pandemic blanketed the planet—though disproportionate numbers died in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Central America, where the virus spread like wildfire in the absence of official containment protocols. But even in developed countries, containment was a challenge. The United States’s initial policy of “strongly discouraging” citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders. However, a few countries did fare better—China in particular. The Chinese government’s quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post-pandemic recovery

    China’s government was not the only one that took extreme measures to protect its citizens from risk and exposure. During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems—from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty—leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power.

    Cf. Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development

  296. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Ron Unz

    With your second quote of Mr. Shamir, you impeach your assertion that Mr. Shamir is of the “left” because he applauded certain aspects of the Russia of Lenin and Stalin. And you misrepresent Mr. Shamir’s Leninist/Stalinist observations by depriving those observations of context necessary to according them the meaning Mr. Shamir appeared to intend.

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    In your second quote of Mr. Shamir, this appears:

    Looking back, we understand that major share of the Western leftists’ complaints against Stalin and against the USSR were without merit.

    [My emphasis.] In Mr. Shamir’s article “Our Happy Bygone Days,” the article from which you excerpted the same second quote, this appears:

    Over thirteen years ago [1991, since this Shamir article was published in 2004] the Soviet Communism was done in, and the Anglo-American Liberalism won its third great victory in one century. These were hard years for the Russians – life expectancy dropped drastically, industry collapsed, great achievements of the Soviet days were reversed. But life of an ordinary man became much worse in the victorious Western Europe and the US…. ***

    Stephen Gowans understood it; actually his essay is a complaint against ‘gleeful’ Howard Zinn and other Western leftists who provided the left flank of anticommunist Cold War front. ***
    ***
    The Jewish question played an important role in rise and collapse of the Russian communism. The Western Left had very strong Jewish connections. Some of them were tainted with Jewish nationalism and turned their pens and efforts against communism when they perceived that the Russian communism eventually became predominantly Russian. In order to justify their betrayal they had spread the black lie of ‘Russian antisemitism’.

    Mr Shamir began that same article thus:

    “We lived in a communist paradise and weren’t aware of it.” I have heard this sentence from many ex-citizens of the ex-USSR, from Russians and Tajiks, Ukrainians and Balts, and I agreed with them wholeheartedly: Soviet Russia was a land of spiritual and educated men who loved their work, were proud of their country, despised money, were hospitable and kind.

    So, Mr. Shamir distinguished, radically, Soviet “communism” from “the left” of the 20th century West and “the left” of today’s West.

    Since Soviet Russia ceased to exist 29 years ago, Mr. Shamir’s pro-Soviet reminiscence tells little or nothing of the meaning(s) of his writings of the past 5 years. But his reminiscence does tell us what Mr. Shamir values in a society, and in individual human life: The spirit, love of work, absence of greed, kindness, hospitability, and feeling pride for one’s country (or one’s society?).

    Those values are not the values of the left of today or since the death of John F. Kennedy [hereinafter “JFK”]. In the “values” of the left of today and of the past 57 years, one sees the opposite of the values Mr. Shamir lauded in “Our Happy Bygone Days.”

    One can condemn, perhaps reasonably, the behavior of the Russian governments of Lenin and Stalin, the brutality and oppression — if one feels empathy for the communism-resisting professionals, intellectuals, wealthy bourgeois, pseudo-aristocrats, Trotskyites, and “White Russians,” who tried long and hard to turn the Bolshevik experiment to socioeconomic rubble.

    Even may one decry, vehemently, Lenin’s manifest determination that since most Russian peasants (Russia’s far greatest population) were too ignorant, illiterate, and serfdom-brainwashed to be able to join in a People’s (or Proletariat’s) self-government, they (peasants) had to be forced, sometimes harshly, to make the changes and do the work needed to render a true Marxist socialist democracy a reality.

    But Lenin and Stalin were faced not only with the grave troubles of the condition of the Russian majority and the internal threats of the communism-resisting professionals, intellectuals, wealthy bourgeois, pseudo-aristocrats, Trotskyites, and “White Russians.” From the beginning of Bolshevik, then Soviet, Russia, the West and Japan endeavored by sundry vicious means to destroy the Russian “communist” experiment — the mere existence of which the West and Japan — their ruling classes’ greed — perceived an existential threat.

    In much of the rest of Mr. Shamir’s “Our Happy Bygone Days,” Mr Shamir observes those monumental internal and external threats the Soviet Union faced. Hence he “remembers” the Soviet Union’s “Bigone Days” with a reverence a “rational” “decent” person might not understand unless he accounts those anti-Soviet threats.

    More important: Eventually, Russia’s great popular masses did live well and happily quite because Lenin, then Stalin’s prevented, ruthlessly, any takeover of anti-Soviet professionals, intellectuals, wealthy bourgeois, pseudo-aristocrats, Trotskyites, and any remaining “White Russians” who would have reversed the socioeconomic and lifestyle gains the common folk attained because of the “ferocity” of Lenin and Stalin.

    Do not misunderstand. I am not a Leninist/Stalinist or Soviet communist apologist — even an advocate of Marxism — as I have explained more than a few times in comments posted under other Unz Review articles. I agree, near-utterly, with Wilhelm Reich’s stern criticism of Soviet Russia, which Dr. Reich rendered in his classic work, THE MASS PSYCHOLOGY OF FASCISM (Orgone Institute Press New York 1946), http://ouleft.org/wp-content/uploads/reich-fascism.pdf

    My point is only that, reasonably, Mr. Shamir respected Leninist/Stalinist Russia because it rendered to many millions of enslaved or virtually enslaved, downtrodden, economically deprived Russian common folk a fair modicum of liberty and economic security and, thence, a real chance of reasonably free self-expression and happiness. And that observation comports with your first quote of Mr. Shamir:

    A hundred years ago, Lenin and Stalin solved all their problems by cutting the Gordian knot of greed. They modernised their country, they gave people hope, they offered a choice for the workers. They did not turn Russia into a paradise, though the Soviet Russia of the 1960s had been as developed and as prosperous as any core country of Western Europe.

    But much more important are the consistent tenor and thrust of most of Mr. Shamir’s rather recent writings — personal liberty, personal dignity, the wrong of oppressive and ruthlessly anti-liberty forces like #MeToo and political correctness, the wrong of the personal, social, political oppression associated with the Covid-19 pandemic scare, the wrong of Western hegemonic forces’ interfering in the social, political, and economic integrity of other nations, and other themes consistent with classical conservatism and libertarianism, perhaps even “paleolibertarianism” — anathema to the post-JFK left.

    Mr. Shamir’s apparent recent philosophy seems to be “live, love, enjoy, and let live.” See, e.g., these:
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/deep-pockets-love-lockdown/
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/coronavirus-conspiracies/
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/belgrade-liberated/
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/israeli-annexation/
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-mask-revolution/?highlight=Shamir
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/unmasking-freedom/?highlight=Shamir
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-new-puritans/?highlight=Shamir
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/belarus-on-the-brink/?highlight=Shamir
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/donald-trump-vs-the-deep-state-revolution/?highlight=Shamir

  297. @Anonymous

    Makes me like Ron even more!

  298. @Loup-Bouc

    In early March, the Chinese Journal of Infectious Diseases pre-published an Expert Consensus on Comprehensive Treatment of Coronavirus in Shanghai. Treatment recommendations included, “Large doses of vitamin C…injected intravenously at a dose of 100 to 200 mg / kg per day. The duration of continuous use is to significantly improve the oxygenation index.” In a stark example of simple mitigation solutions capable of minimizing economic catastrophe, fifty tons of Vitamin C had been shipped to Wuhan’s Hubei province in early February. https://medicina.furg.br/images/7_Expert_consensus_on_comprehensive_treatment_of_COVID-19_in_Shanghai.pdf.

    Here’s a summary from Ewan Cameron, the Scottish physician:

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    VITAMIN C AND CANCER: A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE

    Today I propose to tell you of my personal involvement in this still highly controversial subject, the vitamin C in cancer story. The matter is capable of arousing almost any emotion from bitter prejudice and blazing anger on the one hand, to unbridled (and undeserved) enthusiasm on the other, with all grades of scorn, laughter, ridicule, and pity in between. I hope to convince you that the whole research project has a perfectly sound scientific basis, and that Dr. Pauling and I are neither gullible fools, nor are we charlatans.
    Contrary to what our many critics may think, the idea that vitamin C (ascorbic acid) might have some therapeutic value in cancer, has a perfectly respectable scientific background. In my own case, it evolved from a whole series of arguments progressively developed over many years.
    As we all know, the cancer cell has two behavioral characteristics, namely relentless proliferation and remorseless invasion. Almost all cancer research, directed towards evolving new treatment strategies, has concentrated on finding methods of destroying proliferating cells. And, of course, it is quite wrong to imagine that this approach has failed. We have radiation therapy, very effective in many forms of cancer, and a whole armory of cytotoxic chemotherapeutic drugs capable of killing proliferating cancer cells. However, as we all know, their use is limited because they also destroy all proliferating normal cells. In passing, it is interesting to note that the oncologists, who are our bitterest critics, do not possess a single specific anti-cancer drug in their cupboards.
    For many years I have felt almost alone in suggesting an alternate way of controlling the cancer cell, by devising methods of disarming its other property, namely invasiveness. Invasiveness is quite unique to the cancer cell, therefore any treatment strategy along these lines would be quite specific for cancer, leaving all normal cells unharmed. Furthermore, invasiveness, the ability to infiltrate, ulcerate, and destroy adjacent tissues including the ability to form distant metastases themselves invasive, is the dangerous and ultimately lethal property of the malignant cell. Inhibit invasiveness, and the cancer cell becomes harmless.
    To inhibit invasiveness requires an understanding of the underlying mechanism. Compressing many years of personal work, I may simply say that it is due to the continuous release of the enzyme hyaluronidase from the malignant cell, depolymerizing and hydrolyzing the glycosaminoglycans and proteoglycans that form the viscous ground substance that binds all tissue components together (1).
    Tumor cell hyaluronidase may be inhibited by preparing antisera, and Soviet investigators have reported some success in tumor-bearing animals using this route. One may inhibit hyaluronidase by pharmacological methods, but the compounds known to be active are all fairly toxic and interfere in many enzyme systems. To me, the most promising route could be the one labeled “natural” or “physiological.”
    Way back in the early 1950’s, Dr. David Glick, late of Stanford University, discovered that there exists in the tissue and plasma of all animal species, including man, a substance he labeled Physiological Hyaluronidase Inhibitor or PHI. Moreover, this plasma fraction occupies a fairly narrow, low range in healthy individuals, but rises appreciably in all cancer patients though not always to the same extent (2). Dr. Glick’s main interest was in discovering a diagnostic laboratory test for cancer, and when he found that elevated levels were found in a number of acute infections and other cell-proliferative illnesses, he promptly lost interest (3).
    Spontaneous regression of advanced human cancers have been documented on many hundreds of occasions usually following massive bacterial infections, classically erisypelas. I postulated that massive invasion of the tissues by hyaluronidase-producing streptococci, as in erisypelas, would swamp the circulation with depolymerization by-products including PHI raised to such a high level that the tumor would be permanently suppressed. Finding a safe method of permanently raising PHI to a very high level could lead to a cancer cure. These arguments and the supporting evidence are given at length in my 1966 book (1).
    Ground substance glycosaminoglycan is a very high molecular weight polymer of the repeating disaccharide unit (Glucuronic Acid-N-Acetyl Glucosamine). After my book was published, some Australian workers led by Peter Ghosh discovered that PHI was a glycoprotein of which the carbohydrate moiety was a tetrasacharide of ground substance origin, but changed in some subtle way to give it its specific inhibitory activity (5). Glucuronic acid is the intermediate in the biosynthesis of ascorbic acid from glucose. Douglas Rotman, a young American and I, indicated in 1971 that PHI was simply the basic tetrasachharide in which one or both glucuronic acid units had become replaced by its near chemical relative, ascorbic acid (6).
    This led to the seemingly absurd conclusion that simple, safe, common vitamin C might have some therapeutic value against such a bafflingly complex disease as cancer. I say absurd, because until then the only use of vitamin C in my hospital was as a placebo sleeping tablet. I can therefore understand why the medical profession is still skeptical about our work. I cannot understand the open hostility expressed in some quarters.
    The proposal gains some support from the oft-repeated finding that cancer patients are almost invariably depleted of vitamin C (references in 7) and high in PHI (2). My strategy was to prescribe vitamin C in the hope of boosting PHI to the maximum possible extent.
    Just as the idea evolved, I learned that Professor Linus Pauling had stated that vitamin C might be helpful for cancer patients. My first reaction was one of dismay, even defeat, but such a feeling did not last very long. I wrote immediately to Dr. Pauling and we have been close collaborators ever since. Dr. Pauling had reasoned that an adequacy of vitamin C (necessary for collagen formation) might increase the scirrhous reaction and help encapsulate tumors (8). On further reading we realized that vitamin C was involved in many other aspects of host resistance, such as cell-mediated immunity and the biosynthesis of interferon (9, 10). Many independent investigators subsequently were able to show that ascorbate administered in the gram range enhanced these defensive mechanisms to levels of activity far above the so-called normal range (11-15). Therefore, there is a strong case for the expectation that supplemental vitamin C, in adequate dosage, might have some beneficial effect against cancer.
    I administered ascorbate very tentatively to a few near-moribund cancer patients commencing in November 1971, the route chosen being by continuous intravenous infusion of at first 5 grams every twenty-four hours, then ten grams a day, for an empirical total of ten days, followed by the same dose by mouth. In a few of these very early patients the effect was very dramatic indeed and almost unbelievable. One example will suffice to make the point.
    Mrs. K., a lady of 64, was operated upon in September 1971 and was found to have a massive irresectable ovarian cancer. No treatment was possible, and she was sent home to die. She was readmitted in late November 1971, semi-conscious with massive ascites. This was drained, leaving a rock hard palpable tumor the size of a football, rising from the pelvis. Intravenous ascorbate was commenced and to everyone’s surprise, and certainly to mine, the tumor began to steadily diminish in size, until it became quite impalpable over a period of some three weeks. This remarkable happening was confirmed by an initially highly skeptical colleague. This bedridden, moribund patient became ambulant, and I remember her yet, helping the nurses carry food trays to other patients.
    Suddenly one evening about a month after admission she commenced profuse vomiting and died within hours despite our attempts at resuscitation. At autopsy, the pelvic organs looked remarkably normal, but small seeds of tumor were scattered through the abdominal cavity, particularly on the underside of the diaphragm, the actual cause of death being high intestinal obstruction from multiple adhesions. I sent the slides to the leading British cancer histopathologist, Professor Rupert Willis, who reported that the residual tumor seedlings still showed active mitosis, and the only difference between the original tumor biopsy of September, and the autopsy material, was a high level of inter-cellular calcification in the latter, usually a sign of high host resistance.
    This dramatic patient only lived 28 days after “treatment” commenced, which to my mind demonstrates the futility of regarding increased survival times as the only yardstick of benefit, as convention requires.
    However as our experience increased, I soon came to realize that not all cancer patients responded in such a dramatic manner, and I sometimes wonder whether, had our early patients presented in a different order, we might have lost interest quite early on.
    I continued to prescribe supplemental ascorbate to many terminal cancer patients, and over the years we did encounter a small series of quite dramatic cases that sustained our continuing interest. I shall only mention one more, the only case of its kind on record, to the best of my knowledge.
    This concerns a 40 year old man with widely disseminated reticulum cell sarcoma, confirmed by lymph node biopsy. Arrangements were in hand for him to be treated by the conventional methods of radiation and chemotherapy, but due to a purely administrative mistake, and not as the result of a deliberate clinical decision, this could not be commenced for two weeks. As a purely holding operation, he was started on intravenous vitamin C, and within two weeks all trace of his disease (hepatomegaly, splenomegaly, gross disseminated lymphadenopathy, mediastinal enlargement, and pleural effusion) had completely disappeared. He was released home without conventional treatment and on oral ascorbate. As the months went by, his continuing well-being raised understandable doubts about the correctness of the original diagnosis, despite the histological “proof,” and his ascorbate was gradually reduced. After one month without any supplemental ascorbate his disease returned in all its original manifestations. He was given a further period on intravenous ascorbate, again with complete resolution of his illness. This man remains well more than 10 years later, still on supplemental ascorbate. Spontaneous remission of cancer has been recorded on quite a number of occasions, but this is the only case on record who has gotten better twice! I may add that the original slides have now been examined by quite a number of both British and American pathologists, and all agree with the correctness of the original diagnosis (16).
    By now, our publications (17, 18) were receiving some scattered attention, and we came under pressure to conduct “proper” trials. As a single-handed surgeon working in a relatively small hospital, it would have taken me a decade or more to collect a sufficient number of identical patients with an identical type of cancer, all at the same stage of their illness, to enable me to conduct a “proper” randomized double-blind clinical trial. We did the best we could; we conducted two controlled trials (19, 20) in which the survival time of groups of 100 cancer patients given supplemental ascorbate in the later stage of their illness was compared to the survival time of 1000 matched patients not given ascorbate. In the first study, the controls were selected “blind” by a young New Zealand doctor, specially employed for the purpose. I and a research assistant selected the controls for the second study. Both trials showed a definite survival advantage for the patients given ascorbate.
    These papers attracted world-wide media attention, and prompted a deluge of letters from cancer patients in many countries. Dr. Pauling and I wrote the book Cancer and Vitamin C in the hope of answering such questions, and lightening our mail-bags, but our effort has been unsuccessful. The letters and telephone calls continue unabated. Dan Rather of CBS network news in a recent broadcast stated that they estimated that 100,000 cancer patients in the United States were now taking vitamin C, with or without the tacit consent of their doctors.
    We have recently completed a four year trial involving 2,860 cancer patients attending three medium sized general hospitals in Scotland over the four year period from 1978 to 1982. This study was mainly funded by I.B.M. (United Kingdom) Ltd., who devised a computerized records system to suit our requirements. The data has been analyzed as follows: Firstly, patients who died within two weeks of first hospital attendance are excluded. Secondly, all patients who first attended the hospital less than six months before the study ended are also excluded. Finally, all patients who remain potentially cured (e.g. no known recurrence after primary curative surgery) are also excluded. This leaves 1,826 incurable cancer patients, some of whom received supplemental ascorbate (296) and the remainder (1532) who did not, effectively randomized by the date of first hospital attendance. The median survival time of the control patients, as measured from the date of first hospital attendance to the date of death (or to the end of the study, if still alive at that time), was 180 days, whereas the comparable time for the ascorbate group was 343 days (P less than 0.0001). The results of this study, in much more detail, are contained in a manuscript submitted to The New England Journal of Medicinein 1984; as yet (January 1986) no decision has been reached regarding acceptance or rejection for publication (21). It is regrettable that the whole vitamin C and cancer controversy seems to becoming a political football.
    Although convention requires therapeutic benefit in cancer patients be measured by increased survival times, I (and the patients and their relatives) am much more impressed by enhanced quality and dignity of their remaining days. Although chemotherapy is so widely used in the United States, it offers no survival benefit in the great majority of adult cancers (22), and is associated with much iatrogenic misery. Patients given ascorbate are spared all that, but in addition they enjoy a very positive benefit. From the earliest days, I was constantly impressed by the rapidly improved vigor and sense of well-being reported by these patients, yet could not stress this in our publications because we could not offer any biochemical explanation. Now I can report that a few of these dying cancer patients assumed levels of athletic activity that were quite unbelievable considering their diagnosis (23, 24).
    The answer lies in the molecule carnitine, and the discovery by Hughes that vitamin C is an essential co-factor in its biosynthesis (25). As we have already seen, cancer patients are invariably depleted of circulating and tissue reserves of the vitamin, therefore their carnitine synthesis will be impaired, as Hughes demonstrated in the guinea pig (24). The only known function of carnitine is the transport of fatty acids across the mitochondrial membrane of muscle cells (including gastrointestinal and cardiac muscle cells) where they are oxidized to provide muscle energy. It seems a very reasonable assumption that depleted muscle carnitine could account for all the systemic features of the cancer illness – lassitude and muscle weakness, muscle wasting and weight loss, anorexia and frequently troublesome constipation, terminal overwhelming weakness, and finally death itself. It also explains why these ill patients report such a remarkable improvement in energy and well-being within a week or two of commencing supplemental ascorbate.
    Despite unethical and unprofessional well-publicized attacks on our integrity in the media by Mayo Clinic investigators on the basis of two very seriously flawed trials (26-29), I remain convinced that the value of supplemental ascorbate has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, and that in time supplemental ascorbate will come to form a part of all comprehensive cancer treatment regimens. It appears that the general public is already ahead of the medical profession in reaching such a decision (30).
    1. Cameron E. Hyaluronidase and Cancer. Oxford and New York, Pergamon Press, 19 66.
    2. Glick D. Hyaluronidase inhibitor of buman blood serum in health and disease. J Mt Sinai Hosp 1950; 17:207-228.
    3. Glick D. Personal conversation with author. 1979.
    4. Everson TC, Cole WH. Spontaneous Regression of Human Cancer. _________. 1966.
    5. Harris PA, Stephens RW, Ghosh P, Taylor ATP. Endo- and exo-glycosidases in an experimental rat osteosarcoma. Aust J Exp Biol Bed Sci 1977; 55:363-370.
    6. Cameron E, Rotman D. Ascorbic acid, cell proliferation and cancer. Lancet 1972; ii:542.
    7. Cameron E, Pauling L, Leibovitz B. Ascorbic acid and cancer: a review. Cancer Res 1979; 39:663-681.
    8. Pauling L. Preventive nutrition. Medicine on the Midway (Chicago, IL) 1972; 27:15-18.
    9. Cameron E, Pauling L. Ascorbic acid and the glycosaminoglycans:an orthomolecular approach to cancer and other diseases. Oncology 1973; 27:181-192.
    10. Cameron E, Pauling L. The orthomolecular treatment of cancer. I. The role of ascorbic acid in host resistance. Chem Biol Interact 1974; 9:273-283.
    11. Kalden JR, Guthy EA. Prolonged allograft survival in vitamin C deficient guinea pigs. Eur Surg Res 1972 ; 4: 114-119.
    12. Yonemoto RH, Chretien PB, Fehniger TF. Enhanced lymphocyte blastogenesis by oral ascorbic acid. Proc Am Assoc Cancer Res 1976; 17:288.
    13. Seigel BV, Morton JI. Vitamin C and the immune response. Experimentia 1977; 33:393-395.
    14. Seigel BV, Morton JI. Interferon and the immune response. In Re-evaluation of Vitamin C, Hanck A, Ritzel G (eds). Bern, Switzerland: Verlag Hans Huber, 1977.
    15. Anderson R. Ascorbic acid and immune functions: mechanisms of immunostimulation. In Vitamin C: Ascorbic Acid, Counsell JN, Hornig DH (eds). Englewood NJ: Applied Science Publishers, 1981: 249-272.
    16. Cameron E, Campbell A, Jack T. The orthomolecular treatment of cancer. III. Reticulum cell sarcoma: double complete regression induced by high-dose ascorbic acid therapy. Chem Biol Interact 1975; 11:387-393.
    17. Cameron E, Baird G. Ascorbic acid and dependence on opiates in patients with advanced disseminated cancer. IRCS(medicine) August 1973.
    18. Cameron E, Campbell A. The orthomolecular treatment of cancer. II. Clinical trial of high-dose ascorbic acid supplements in advanced human cancer. Chem Biol Interact 1974; 9:285-315.
    19. Cameron E, Pauling L. Supplemental ascorbate in the supportive treatment of cancer. I. Prolongation of survival times in terminal human cancer. Proc Natl Acad Sci (USA) 1976; 73:3685-3689.
    20. Cameron E, Pauling L. Supplemental ascorbate in the supportive treatment of cancer: reevaluation of prolongation of survival times in terminal human cancer. Proc Natl Acad Sci (USA) 1978; 75:4538-4542.
    21. Cameron E, Moffat L, Campbell A, Marcuson R. Supplemental ascorbate in incurable cancer. Submitted to N Eng J Med 1984.
    22. Moertel
    23. Cameron E. Vitamin C and cancer cachexia; the carnitine connection. In Roots of Molecular Medicine; A Tribute to Dr. Pauling, Heumer RP (ed). New York: WH Freeman, 1986.
    24. Cameron E. Vitamin C, carnitine, and cancer; or “My God, I feel so much better, doctor!” In Yearbook of Nutritional Medicine, second edition, Bland JF (ed). New Canaan, CT: Keats Publishing Co., 1986.
    25. Hughes RE. Recommended daily amounts and biochemical roles – the vitamin C, carnitine, fatigue relationship. In Vitamin C – Ascorbic Acid, Counsell JN, Hornig DH (eds). London and New Jersey: Applied Science Publishers, 1981.
    26. Creagan ET, Moertel CG, O’Fallon JR, Schutt AJ, O’Connell MJ, Rubin J, Frytak S. Failure of high-dose vitamin C to benefit patients with advanced cancer. N Eng J Med 1979; 301:687-690. [The first Mayo Clinic trial.]
    27. Moertel CG, Fleming TR, Creagan ET, Rubin J, O’Connell MJ, Ames MA. High-dose vitamin C versus placebo in the treatment of patients with advanced cancer who have had no prior chemotherapy. N Eng J Med 1985; 312:137-141. [The second Mayo Clinic trial.]
    28. Cameron E. Vitamin C for cancer [letter] N Engl J Med 1980; 302:299.
    29. Pauling L. Vitamin C therapy of advanced cancer [letter]. N Eng J Med 1980; 302:694.
    30. Richardson E. The vitamin C and cancer controversy. N Scientist 1986; [forthcoming].

  299. Amon says:
    @Bombercommand

    Nextstrain has not and is not looking for earlier cases in the US. You can’t find anything if you do not look for it.

    Furthermore, Nextstrain describes itself as an open source project which means anyone, even the Derp State, can add data to it and foul up results.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  300. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Frankly, I’m very puzzled by the whole thing myself. But I don’t particularly see any hidden hand manipulating things, with the notable exceptions of Trump/FoxNews (for political reasons) and some business interests (horrified by the impact of the lockdowns).”

    Hidden hands are hard to see. We did not see the hidden hand during AIDS epidemic when the Operation INFECTION (see wiki) was run. The AIDS conspiracy theories were seeded from the Soviet Block and turned out to be quite successful as they got traction. I would never disregard and discount abilities of Soviet/Russian intelligence agencies like FSB and GRU.

    State Department have just issued a report where disinformation on covid-19 is mentioned.

    GEC Special Report: Russia’s Pillars of Disinformation and Propaganda (August 2020)
    https://www.state.gov/russias-pillars-of-disinformation-and-propaganda-report/

    • Replies: @utu
  301. @utu

    Good debate as to best treatments. Docs and others should debate treatments while we all live freely like men rather than frightened surveilled cattle.

    Debates over treatment do nothing to change the fact that the evidence does not suggest the virus poses any particularly large risk to non-elderly people who lack severe preexisting respiratory or immune system problems … usually self-inflicted by decades of asininely destructive behavior such as morbid obesity and tobacco smoking.

    The lockdown and destruction of normal life, interaction, childhood, education, commerce, and travel would not remotely be justified even if the covid death stats are accurate as honest, and the doctors whom I cited establish firmly that the stats are deliberately and egregiously overstated.

    Why should we credit the covid death stats given all the noted serious defects in testing and the plain old profit motivated lying and exaggeration by docs as to cause of death?

    Example: how can you prove how many of the deaths are not people who had very short life expectancy already, quote one foot in the grave, such as late-stage cancer? Such people have been counted as quote “covid-19 deaths” without the public ever knowing that sleight of hand.

    Example: how can you prove how many of the deaths are not people who were “presumed” to have been infected by this virus instead of actually tested? Such people have been counted as covid-19 deaths, without the public ever knowing that deception.

    The scientific reasoning and method of the Swiss Policy Research doctor and colleagues have not been logically undermined you or anyone else, so far as I am aware.

    I will be clearer. What undoctored evidence and scientifically, honestly compiled statistics support the hysterical view of this virus as a uniquely devastating plague? Second, if the virus were deadly as you hysterics choose to believe, why would destruction of normal life and billions of people’s ability to live and feed their families be a logical or compassionate response? When has quarantine EVER properly entailed home arrest or prison/slave-like surveillance of the general population, including those at little to no risk of death from a virus? Never.

    • Agree: Loup-Bouc
    • Replies: @utu
  302. @Amon

    I have seen only one lab-confirmed case from 2019, New Jersey Mayor Michael Mehlman’s.

    Have you seen others?

  303. Anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Anyone who is still promoting national narratives (China vs America vs Russia) is misdirecting you from the Rothschild Crime Syndicate, NWO, and Central Banking. Simple as that.
    Remember folks, hundreds of billions a year are unaccounted for in the US treasury. Some of this money goes to hiring flocks of shills to hijack all political conversation.

    • Agree: Maowasayali
    • Troll: utu
  304. utu says:
    @RadicalCenter

    You emotional language indicate that it is you who is hysterical (‘hysterical view’, ‘you hysterics’ , . You use emotional catch phrases like:

    ‘frightened surveilled cattle’
    ‘decades of asininely destructive behavior’
    ‘stats are deliberately and egregiously overstated’
    ‘plain old profit motivated lying and exaggeration’
    ‘the public ever knowing that sleight of hand’
    ‘without the public ever knowing that deception’
    ‘home arrest or prison/slave-like surveillance ‘

    that belong to a speech of populist agitator rant and not to rational debate or discourse. You seem to indicate that the Swiss site list of 30 talking points disguised as ‘Fully referenced facts about Covid-19’ at:

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    hit the soft spot in you mind in your current mental state. If you were able to sober up and calm down and employ your rational mind and go through each point of the list you would realize that most of them are demagogic, some of them are false and some of them are empty in logical value. An most importantly they are devoid of ethical dimension as it usually is the case with pseudo-arguments favored by libertarians.

    • Disagree: Biff
  305. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I cannot spare time enough to proofread this comment. I shall struggle hard to avoid committing typing errors. But I type poorly. I apologize now for any typing errors I may commit.

    Ewan Cameron’s assertions are bullshit. But the matter is not cancer. The matter is “Covid-19″ and the vitamin C implications of the “Expert Consensus on Comprehensive Treatment of Coronavirus Disease in Shanghai 2019″ [hereinafter “Consensus”]

    That “Consensus” does not indicate that it is a report of the Chinese government, any agency of the Chinese of the Chinese government, and particular Chinese university, any Chinese hospital or other medical institution or medical research entity. Therefore, we have no basis of crediting the “Consensus” with validity, reliability, or even presumptive or tentative credibility. It may be inauthentic, even simply a sham. Still, for sake of argument, I shall presume that the “Consensus” is a creditable statement of its contents.

    That “Consensus” asserts that the following treatment means were used or recommended.

    [MORE]

    heparin and vitamin C
    Anticoagulation — allegedly Covid-19 causes inflammation-thickened blood-vessel walls and blood-thickening, which impairs oxygenation-distribution, which can kill by causing brain-hypoxia Also, prevention or reversal of pulmonary hypertension (blood-thickening/clotting and vessel-was-thickening) or renal dysfunction (blood-thickening/clotting)

    But heparin alone could explain desired results, and before China’s Covid-19-related use of vitamin C use for such purpose, the world used, e.g., heparin, Warfarin, Apixaban, Edoxaban, even aspirin quite successfully

    vitamin C alone
    Apparently, at least one physician believed vitamin C could prevent of reverse cytokine storm — a condition where the innate immune system causes excess distribution of cytokines, inflammation-signaling protein molecules. But previously, such theory was not pushed even by staunch advocates to the theory that vitamin C is a necessary immune-system supporter, since that theory held that the immune-system support occurs because vitamin C cuts free radical production, hence protects the immune-system’s production/distribution of lymph, lymphocytes, B cells, T cells. Such theorized vitamin C effect could induce or exacerbate cytokine storm.

    But see below under ulinastatin and under glucocorticoids (e.g., Prednisone)

    ulinastatin: protease inhibitor —
    A glycoprotein used in China for acute pancreatitis, sepsis, septic shock, acute circulatory failure

    Pancreatitis relevance’s? Allegedly, “Covid-19” causes wide, severe infection, high serum triglyceride, metabolic disorders. Wide, severe infection, high serum triglyceride, metabolic disorders can cause pancreatitis. Then, “Covid-19” treatment must include treatment of pancreatitis.

    Allegedly “Covid-19” can impair liver/kidney function, which impairment can cause elevated serum triglyceride. Also, allegedly “Covid-19” causes inflammation-thickened blood-vessel walls, just as, allegedly, it thickens blood. Such events can cause pancreatitis. Also, allegedly, “Covid-19” can cause metabolism-dysfunction which can cause pancreatitis.

    Pancreatitis induces high fever and sepis

    Apparently at least one physician believed ulinastatin would reverse or mitigate cytokine storm — which, recall, is a condition where the innate immune system causes excess distribution of cytokines, inflammation-signaling protein molecules.

    A cytokine storm can attack organs as if they were foreign matter and cause multi-system organ-failure, even death. But, in some number of cases, the problem could have been sepsis, septic shock, or acute circulatory failure caused by pancreatitis.

    glucocorticoids (e.g., Prednisone)
    For preventing, reversing, or mitigating cytokine storm
    And for managing inflammation

    Viral respiratory infection would cause respiratory tract inflammation. Allegedly, in “Covid-19″ cases, inflammation spreads to extrarespiratory tissue — organ tissue, arterial and venous tissue — as, allegedly, the infection metastasises.

    Hydroxychloroquine sulfate or Chloroquine phosphate, Abidol

    These remedies require a separate debunking. Here I shall note only that allegedly such medications can at least slow the progress of “Covid-19″ — an allegation that adds uncertainty, if not indeterminacy, to the matter of whether vitamin C even at least slows the progress of alleged “Covid-19″ infections.

    Traditional Chinese Medicine
    Several herbal medicines were used, including these:
    “raw rhubarb (15-20 g plus 150 ml warm boiling water)
    Dachengqi decoction
    Zhipu Xialing Decoction
    Sanren Decoction
    Xing Shi Gan Decoction
    Da Yuan Yin
    Gan Lu Fang Dan
    Xiao Chai Hu Tang
    Dachengqi Decoction
    Baihu Decoction
    Shengjiang San
    Xuanbai Chengqi Decoction
    Yinqiaosan, Xiangsusan
    Ma Xing Shi Gan Decoction
    Sanren Decoction, Xuanbai Chengqi Decoction, Manna Disinfection Danjiao

    Traditional Chinese Medicine holds that those herbal remedies (a) treat all the symptoms, threats, dysfunctions, and other mal-effects alleged to be “Covid-19”-caused and (b) treat also particular or systemic ills or threats that sundry allopathic means or vitamin C could not address

    RE: Chinese medicine and viral infection, see also, in THIS thread, my comment of August 27, 2020 at 10:05 pm GMT (comment # 291), beginning with this paragraph:

    When allopathy attempted to produce an anti-HIV vaccine, it failed much because the vaccine would need to produce intracellular immunity (since HIV impaired or withstood antibody or other extracellular attack). See also below. That failure proves only allopathy’s inadequacy owed much to its anti-holism. See also below.

    See also http://www.itmonline.org/arts/sars.htm

    Nutritional support: “parenteral nutrition is preferred, via nasal feeding or via
    jejunum. The whole protein nutrient preparation is preferred, and the energy is 25 to 35
    kcal / kg (1 kcal = 4.184 kJ) per day”

    Nutrition could be THE PRINCIPAL key — though the “Consensus”-reported “whole protein nutrient” measure is woefully inadequate.

    RE: nutrition
    (1) in THIS comment-thread, see my comment of August 27, 2020 at 10:05 pm GMT (comment # 291), beginning with this paragraph:

    When allopathy attempted to produce an anti-HIV vaccine, it failed much because the vaccine would need to produce intracellular immunity (since HIV impaired or withstood antibody or other extracellular attack). See also below. That failure proves only allopathy’s inadequacy owed much to its anti-holism. See also below.

    (2) open Mike Whitney’s article, CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society, https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/
    and, in the comment-thread set under that article, see
    * my comment of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314)
    * my comment of August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am GMT (comment # 319)

    The “Consensus” was released 25 March 2020 and reported what some physicians used in treating patients. But the “Consensus” does not identify how many physicians used which treatment means and with what results.

    The “Consensus” reports a mishmash of attempted remedies — a mishmash that suggests a near-frenzy of trying everything one or another physician imagined capable of effecting mitigation or cure of symptoms that MIGHT ACTUALLY have been caused by a believed “SARS CoV-2 virus.”

    The “Consensus” does NOT report the use-frequency-distribution of ANY of particular remedies used or recommended. The “Consensus” provides zero basis of determining which reported remedies or other measures had any curative or mitigative effect on any viral infection believed to be involved.

    The “Consensus” does NOT provide information sufficient to assess whether the “Consensus” reports any ACTUAL CONSENSUS of ANY physicians or, if any consensus, of how many. We cannot know whether an actual consensus, if any, consisted of something like an agreement of just two physicians, one an allopathic physician and one a practitioner of Traditional Chinese Medicine.

    The “Consensus” addressed medical means and methods used before 25 March 2020. So the “Consensus” does not show whether eventually the treatments used or recommended proved successful or to what extent. True: according to Chinese-government-produced statistics, by April 2020, the new-infection-rate was reduced to near-zero and has remained near-zero, even to today. But the death rate and total-case-number seem not to have dropped. See the first chart (“Total Coronavirus Cases in China”) and the fourth chart (“Total Coronavirus Deaths in China”) posted here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

    Today, China reported 9 new cases, yesterday 8 new cases, two days ago 15 new cases — total 32 new cases. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ We have yet to see how many such new cases will end with death. Also, we do not know to what extent “new case” numbers’ relatively “small” size reflects herd immunity produced by the very large (reported) case-number total [about 80,000] of the period of 1 January through 25 March 2020.

    The “Consensus” does not report a scientifically valid, statistically-sufficient-sample, double-blind study, or any kind of controlled study, of whether vitamin C can cure or mitigate “Covid-19.” The “Consensus” does not even report any kind of even arguably valid, reliable finding concerning the effect, if any, that vitamin C treatment may have produced.

    So, the “Consensus” tells us NOTHING that can support ANY inference concerning what effect(s) vitamin C produced — beneficial effect(s), ill effect(s), or no effect.

    Despite you, Godfree Roberts, have convinced yourself that vitamin-C-supplementation criticism is a conspiracy of pharmaceuticals firms, the reality is that many non-pharmaceuticals-firm-connected and non-pharmaceuticals-firm-influenced physicians and medical researchers, including me, have found that vitamin C supplementation does NOT support the human immune-system but has no appreciable effect, HARMS the immune system, or causes immune-system dysfunction that harms organ-tissue or other body-tissue.

    Vitamin C supplementation
    * deprives the immune-system of free radicals the system needs
    * forms toxic free radicals, oxidizes guanine (a DNA nucleic acid), and breeds DNA-wrecking genotoxins
    * suppresses antioxidant effects of superoxide dismutase & glutathione peroxidase
    * harms intestines & kidneys
    * cuts copper-metabolism, and copper’s cholesterol-control function (so harms liver-function)
    * can either cut iron-assimilation or cause iron overload — depending on vitamin C supplement dosage and method of delivery (pill, “medicinal” beverage, intravenous injection, intramuscular injection…….)
    * causes cardiovascular disease
    * lowers blood pH — an effect that threatens many ills, even psychic, like mania
    * saps trace-minerals
    * accelerates aging
    See also, e.g., these:
    * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9560150/ [Vitamin C supplementation exhibits pro-oxidant properties]
    * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15579526/ [sundry ill effects of vitamin C supplementation]
    * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11408659/ [Vitamin C supplementation “has proved to be ineffective in cancer chemoprevention studies” and “[we] have now determined that vit C induces lipid hydroperoxide decomposition to the DNA-reactive bifunctional electrophiles 4-oxo-2-nonenal, 4,5-epoxy-2(E)-decenal, and 4-hydroxy-2-nonenal” and the “compound 4,5-Epoxy-2(E)-decenal is a precursor of etheno-2′-deoxyadenosine, a highly mutagenic lesion found in human DNA. Vitamin C-mediated formation of genotoxins from lipid hydroperoxides in the absence of transition metal ions could help explain its lack of efficacy as a cancer chemoprevention agent.”]
    * https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.HYP.0000038339.67450.60 [After 5 years, systolic blood pressure significantly increased in groups, regardless of vitamin C dose, compared with baseline. Systolic blood pressure in the high-dose group (500 mg daily) increased from 125.4 to 131.7 mm Hg (5.88 mm Hg increase; 95% confidence interval [CI], 3.11 to 8.65). This value was similar with that of the low-dose group (5.73 mm Hg increase]

    The “Consensus” reports zero contrary evidence.

    The bottom line is: Your vitamin C argument is junk science.

    Linus Pauling was a physicist — not a physician, biochemist, physiologist, or registered professional dietician or nutritionist. Especially holistically, human anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, and electromagnetic and other neural functions are immensely, even astronomically, more complex and subtle than anything of physics.

    So, like theoretical-physics-educated Ron Unz, who presumes, quite illegitimately, to pontificate, very erroneously, in the fields of medicine, statistics, and law, Linus Pauling ought to have stuck to physics. If Ewan Cameron is a physician, he ought to have known better than to worship Linus Paulus’s errors.

  306. Ron, your work is an inspiration. However, here i think you are failing to see certain things.

    Look hard at the ABC report. What is the alleged DIA briefing? Changed traffic/behavior patterns in Wuhan showed a pandemic brewing? And US intel picked that up before the CCP? I think not. It makes no sense.

    Now, coronachan is the most elegant bioweapon ever created. I have studied it obsessively since Jan. Bought full face masks, full coverage in late Jan, with p100 filters, only that level works against sars based viruses. I have read more on it than anyone I know.

    If you want to read a timeline that predicted so much, read the Lame Cherry blog. It called almost all of it, the different strains, the spike entry protein, how and where it would spread, the remedies, selenium, zinc, hcq, alcohol. Truly fascinating.

    However, the wsj is completely wrong. The indy chinese media vlogger who released a very scary video of his frontline report in wuhan hospitals, who then disappeared and was never heard from again, he said that wuhan cab drivers began to notice a sickness was breaking out in early december. Cab drivers know everything and they were refusing to go to the wet market area or pick up sick customers.

    One other comment, the chinese were welding people inside, local villages walling! off roads, largest quarantine in human history. I was obsessed, something big was happening. In those early days, look hard for reports of use of aids retrovirals working. I was like, wtf?? Then Indian virologists published paper that corona had hiv gene sequences spliced in. Zero Hedge publishes that. Boom, immediately ZH is banned from twitter. Indian scientists forced to retract. Now, what does that tell you.

    If you want a fascinating read, read Lame Cherry since mid january. Just test the posting and see whether it was right. You will be blown away. This is the blog that revealed MI6 was involved in the frame up of Trump on the muh Russia hoax.

    Cheers

  307. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Just as I finished editing the middle of my comment of August 29, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT (comment # 311), I saw a compound editing error in that comment’s third paragraph. Here is that paragraph corrected:

    That “Consensus” does not indicate that it is a report of the Chinese government, or of any agency of the Chinese government, or of any particular Chinese university, or of any Chinese hospital or other medical institution or medical research entity. Therefore, we have no basis of crediting the “Consensus” with validity, reliability, or even presumptive or tentative credibility. It may be inauthentic, even simply a sham. Still, for sake of argument, I shall presume that the “Consensus” is a creditable statement of its contents.

  308. @Loup-Bouc

    Compared to Ewan Cameron’s, what are your formal medical qualifications?

    Where did you acquire them? When?

    What responsibilities have you held for the medical health of others?

    How large were the medical institutions you managed–in terms of patients and staff?

    For how long did your tenure last?

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  309. One other point, you have to get past the very eccentric way of writing of that blog author, Lame Cherry. Trust me, I know. But you have to look at the data/facts/reports being discussed. Then you will see the genius.

    One other very fun thing is to watch the corona videos of Mister Metokur. Long since banned on youtube, but he has a devoted following that mirrors his stuff. Just google metokur, the great wu flu for a taste. Jan 23rd. He is anti china, but man, was he pulling original sources like crazy. That guy was about as obsessed as i was.

    This guy is one of the originators of gamergate. You want original content that splices in events as they were happening realtime in wuhan, with hilarious comedic commentary, that is the ticket. Best

  310. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I have answered those questions (except the identities of the medical institutions) more than a few times at Unz Review. I have answered those questions enough. My comment of August 29, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT (comment # and its references speak for themselves. If you think you can challenge my that comment, try. Otherwise, be quiet.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  311. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    “…my own possible scenario of the story behind the outbreak…” – While four or five months ago I was still very enthusiastic about your (which was also mine) hypothesis I grew somewhat more skeptical since. The reason I was more enthused by it was that we were all under the influence of the Metallicman (and Larry Romanoff of Global Research conspiracy outfit that to me smells of old KGB operation) and his stories about bioweapon attacks and even drone spreading diseases against animal farms in China so it was easier to assume that Covid-19 was a part of the same campaign against China. Without the bait about the epidemics in swine herds we would now swallow the hook of covid-19 being a bioweapon that easily. However the huge blowback that we were witnessing since made me wonder about my initial assumptions. Were the planners really that stupid? Or is possible that the planners were after something else?

    In the meantime came the leak from the DIA about its November 2019 report and certainly this became the most important piece of evidence for the hypothesis. But the question about the blowback and stupidity still remains answered.

    When in 2002/2003 we all were under intense pro war propaganda and dis-info campaigns SARS epidemic broke out. At that time everything what was happening I was seeing in terms of whether it was good or bad for the warmongers. Then I concluded that SARS was a desirable event for the warmongers. It disciplined China and Asian countries with the message: “Do not meddle in our affairs because we really mean business and play a hard ball.” And it offered a smoke screen to take people minds away from shenanigans related to war. It was a smokescreen just like media attention to whereabouts of JonBenét Ramsey killer in 2003 or finding Elizabeth Smart several days before the invasion on Iraq began. Ever since I was partial to the idea that SARS was a terror psy-op bioweapon deployed by America.

    When SARS2 started in China in January 2020 I was wondering whether there was a similarity to 2002/2003 SARS. What would be the purpose? I could see it was a terror weapon to discipline China but I could not see to what was the immediate purpose and as a smokescreen for what actions if I were to use the analogy of SARS in 2003/2002. But then came the leak about the DIA report and the immediate sharing it with Israel made me wonder whether SARS2 was another disciplining action against China and smoke screen for a larger operation involving Israel like some kind of attack against Iran.

    Did we have an action against Iran soon after the release of Covid-19? Yes, Soleimani was assassinated by the US military on January 3, 2020. By carrying out this assassination I am sure that Pentagon and IDF must have considered a possibility of a full blown war with Iran or possibly some of them even hoped for it. So obviously having China staying on sidelines and being busy fighting their epidemic in January 2020 was a very desirable situation for the warmongers and war planners. Covvid-19 was a combination of ‘podgotovka’ and ‘maskirovka’ as Russian and Soviets military call it. The planners did not think beyond the war and what blowback there would be. This answer the equation about the blowback and stupidity. Iran did not respond as hard as it was hoped for and then China quashed the epidemic are the reason we talk about the blowback.

    I think that by linking the Covid-19 seeding to Soleimani assassination that I presented here I am adding another data point to the ‘possible scenario of the story behind the outbreak that is consistent with your thinking.

    • Thanks: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Loup-Bouc
    , @Anon
  312. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    From the BMJ:

    Repo proves the US economy was on the edge of failure before COVID emerged. September 18 was when the Fed started to open the spigots.

    As for Event 201, it was designed to model a global pandemic of an especially infectious SARS variant, which is exactly what SARS CoV 2 is. Quite the coincidental timing, taking place between the EVALI peak and the outbreak in Wuhan. Then again, shouldn’t conspirators do something so obvious in secret and not in public?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  313. utu says:
    @utu

    On more thing: when doing a search ‘SARS+bioweapon’ today I ran into the following article in Forbes:

    A Defense Expert Explores Whether The Covid-19 Coronavirus Makes A Good Bioweapon (Aug 21, 2020)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/coronavirusfrontlines/2020/08/21/a-defense-expert-explores-whether-the-covid-19-coronavirus-makes-a-good-bioweapon/#65eadb747ece

    “Overall, the SARS-CoV-2 virus has some “desirable” properties as a bioweapon, but probably not enough to make it a good choice for military purposes. ”

    Not sure what the article was published but clearly some people in higher echelons of propaganda machine keep thinking about the bioweapon aspect which exactly the same what we are doing here.

  314. @Loup-Bouc

    If you have answered those questions, please provide a link.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  315. @gay troll

    Thanks!

    Do you have a link for the BMJ article? I can’t find it.

    Though I prefer to attribute bad things to stupidity and corruption, I must admit the the repeated coincidences between simulation exercises and terrifying events–9/11, Boston Bombing, etc.–seems both obvious and yet counterintuitive.

    Why would agencies repeatedly stage simulations at real atrocities?

    Yet we see that pattern over and over.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @gay troll
    , @Maowasayali
  316. Loup-Bouc says:
    @utu

    I can refer you to a brilliant surgeon [Dr. Frankenst….] who will provide you a brain-transplant. The good doctor guarantees that the organ will have been harvested from a Neanderthal frozen in a Carpathian glacier. You can expect that the surgery will improve you perceptions dramatically, sir (or madam?).

  317. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No. I will not waste my time. YOU look. (I answered some such questions in this thread and in at least three other Unz Review threads.)

    [MORE]

    Your questions and their answers are irrelevant both to whether my comments are sound and to whether you (or anyone else) can refute anything of my comment of August 29, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT (comment # 311) or of any others of my comments.

    My comment of August 29, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT (comment # 311) and its references speak for themselves — as do all my other comments. My comments’ strengths cannot be affected by the identity of the school of my medical education or the institutions of my medical internship and medical residency or by anything else of my credentials — much of which I shall not divulge for the reason that explains my using a pseudonym, Loup-Bouc: I will not be harassed by dangerous, mentally ill individuals who comment at Unz Review or who author Unz Review articles.

    YOU bear the burden of refutation. If you think you can refute my comment(s), try. Otherwise, be silent.

    • Troll: Godfree Roberts
  318. Iris says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Why would agencies repeatedly stage simulations at real atrocities?

    As per Lee Harvey Oswald’s immortal words, to involve the clueless “patsies” and to provide plausible deniability to their clued-up handlers.

  319. Anon[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    @ However the huge blowback that we were witnessing since made me wonder about my initial assumptions. Were the planners really that stupid?

    RUnz does think the US government is that stupid, or as he puts it, really crazy.

    Again, the question is, what does China think? If China thinks it is under covert biological attack, did China retaliate in any way? Till now, China’s public actions have been about taking (some) responsibility for the pandemic, giving aid, etc.

    I’ll wait until I finish Quillette’s four part coverage of Covid to form opinion.

    One point I’m curious about is the protocols China provided to OMS. They included using of ventilators and not using antiinflamatories. Those protocols were dead wrong. Was that incompetence, due to the fact that they performed very few autopsies? It might be medical incompetence, because China seems to have been able to control the epidemic through draconian population control, not through correct medicine. While we in the West, unable to envisage wearing a mask, are still waiting for a miracle vaccine or at least an approved drug cocktail.

    What would be a good strategy for a world power under US economic/biological attack for the last 5-8 years? The US has not been able to encircle China. China keeps growing, has partners. China can bear human losses while the US collapses. China can aid the collapse. Is that what China is doing?

    That’s keeping the analysis within the framework of a world powers rivalry. Let’s just hope it is not Sarajevo 1914, where such a confrontation ended up in a complete NWO thirty years later.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  320. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I found the graph in an image search, it is attached to the following paper, however the main link only includes the (interesting) abstract, not the full text or graphic.

    https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/2020/06/17/postgradmedj-2020-137673

    Regarding the transparent gaming of soon to be implemented false flag scenarios, I recall Whitney Webb publishing a great piece about Operation Dark Winter anticipating the post 9/11 anthrax scare that the media strived to blame on Iraq.

  321. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    In my comment of August 29, 2020 at 2:33 am GMT (comment # 311) [emended by my comment of August 29, 2020 at 3:22 am GMT (comment # 313)], I commented on the “Expert Consensus on Comprehensive Treatment of Coronavirus Disease in Shanghai 2019″ [hereinafter “Consensus”] that Godfree Roberts cited in his comment of August 28, 2020 at 5:20 am GMT (comment # 304).

    [MORE]

    In my above-referenced comment, I discussed the medications and other measures the above-cited “Consensus” discussed as used or recommended somehow, somewhere, apparently (but not surely) in Shanghai. In my same above-referenced comment, I stated (among else) this:

    heparin and vitamin C
    Anticoagulation — allegedly Covid-19 causes inflammation-thickened blood-vessel walls and blood-thickening, which impairs oxygenation-distribution, which can kill by causing brain-hypoxia Also, prevention or reversal of pulmonary hypertension (blood-thickening/clotting and vessel-was-thickening) or renal dysfunction (blood-thickening/clotting)
    But heparin alone could explain desired results, and before China’s Covid-19-related use of vitamin C use for such purpose, the world used, e.g., heparin, Warfarin, Apixaban, Edoxaban, even aspirin quite successfully

    vitamin C alone
    Apparently, at least one physician believed vitamin C could prevent or reverse cytokine storm — a condition where the innate immune system causes excess distribution of cytokines, inflammation-signaling protein molecules. But previously, such theory was not pushed even by staunch advocates to the theory that vitamin C is a necessary immune-system supporter, since that theory held that the immune-system support occurs because vitamin C cuts free radical production, hence protects the immune-system’s production/distribution of lymph, lymphocytes, B cells, T cells. Such theorized vitamin C effect could induce or exacerbate cytokine storm.

    But see below under ulinastatin and under glucocorticoids (e.g., Prednisone)

    ulinastatin: protease inhibitor —
    A glycoprotein used in China for acute pancreatitis, sepsis, septic shock, acute circulatory failure

    Pancreatitis relevance’s? Allegedly, “Covid-19” causes wide, severe infection, high serum triglyceride, metabolic disorders. Wide, severe infection, high serum triglyceride, metabolic disorders can cause pancreatitis. Then, “Covid-19” treatment must include treatment of pancreatitis.

    Allegedly “Covid-19” can impair liver/kidney function, which impairment can cause elevated serum triglyceride. Also, allegedly “Covid-19” causes inflammation-thickened blood-vessel walls, just as, allegedly, it thickens blood. Such events can cause pancreatitis. Also, allegedly, “Covid-19” can cause metabolism-dysfunction which can cause pancreatitis.

    Pancreatitis induces high fever and sepis

    Apparently at least one physician believed ulinastatin would reverse or mitigate cytokine storm — which, recall, is a condition where the innate immune system causes excess distribution of cytokines, inflammation-signaling protein molecules.

    A cytokine storm can attack organs as if they were foreign matter and cause multi-system organ-failure, even death. But, in some number of cases, the problem could have been sepsis, septic shock, or acute circulatory failure caused by pancreatitis.

    glucocorticoids (e.g., Prednisone)
    For preventing, reversing, or mitigating cytokine storm
    And for managing inflammation

    Viral respiratory infection would cause respiratory tract inflammation. Allegedly, in “Covid-19? cases, inflammation spreads to extrarespiratory tissue — organ tissue, arterial and venous tissue — as, allegedly, the infection metastasises.

    I do not know whether the below-supplied link will enable you to read the linked medical journal article, because the journal [MEDPAGE TODAY] is intended for use only by physicians and professionals of medicine-related fields (like microbiology). The article [titled “Another Presenting Sign of COVID-19”] states, among else, this:

    COVID-19 patients can present with acute pancreatitis, often of idiopathic origin, and Black and Hispanic patients with pancreatitis were more likely than others to have the infection, according to a retrospective study in a New York health system.

    A total of 17% of pancreatitis patients in the analysis were positive for COVID-19, indicating that pancreatitis should be included in the list of gastrointestinal (GI) manifestations of this viral infection, said Arvind J. Trindade, MD, of the Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell Health System in New Hyde Park, New York.

    “Greater attention should be paid to the history or complaint of abdominal pain, and obtaining serum lipase levels in these patients should be considered,” the team wrote in the study online in Gastroenterology.

    Although previous case reports supported this recommendation, the overall low prevalence of pancreatitis compared with other GI manifestations made the situation unclear. But since pancreatic islet cells contain angiotensin-converting enzyme receptor proteins, SARS-CoV-2 can bind to these receptors and cause pancreatic injury.

    “Physicians should be screening for upper-abdominal pain, and if present, order tests for serum lipase levels,” and they should also be aware that Black and Hispanics with acute pancreatitis are more apt to have COVID-19, Trindade told MedPage Today.

    Some research has reported GI symptoms in more than 25% of COVID-19 patients.

    https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/88328?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2020-08-29&eun=g1562591d0r&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%20Headlines%20Top%20Cat%20HeC%20%202020-08-29&utm_term=NL_Daily_DHE_dual-gmail-definition

    Compare the immediately preceding MEDPAGE TODAY article’s pancreatitis/GI-tract/”Covid-19″ discussion with my above-referenced comment’s above-quoted treatment of the “Consensus” assertions concerning medications used or recommended.

    The above-referenced MEDPAGE TODAY article reports also other gastrointestinal symptoms allegedly associated with or allegedly caused by “Covid-19.” Vis-a-vis that report, open Mike Whitney’s article, “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society,” https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/codename-operation-virus-identification-2019-the-elitist-plan-to-remake-society/
    and, in the comment-thread set under that article, see my comment of August 19, 2020 at 11:25 pm GMT (comment # 314) — beginning with this paragraph:

    Further, consider that on his death bed, Louis Pasteur admitted that not any microbe, but environment, explains disease that involves the presence of microbes. Pasteur meant environment that is within a person’s body, much as or more than the environment that surrounds the person’s body.

    AND see “Gastrointestinal Features in COVID-19 and the Possibility of Faecal Transmission,” https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/929222?src=wnl_tp10j_200611_mscpedit&uac=299395PY&impID=2415946&faf=1 — which reports, among else, this:

    With an incidence of 3% (1/41)-79% (159/201), gastrointestinal symptoms of COVID-19 included anorexia 39.9% (55/138)-50.2% (101/201), diarrhoea 2% (2/99)-49.5% (146/295), vomiting 3.6% (5/138)-66.7% (4/6), nausea 1% (1/99)-29.4% (59/201), abdominal pain 2.2% (3/138)-6.0% (12/201) and gastrointestinal bleeding 4% (2/52)-13.7% (10/73). Diarrhoea [sic]was the most common gastrointestinal symptom in children and adults, with a mean duration of 4.1 ± 2.5 days, and was observed before and after diagnosis. Vomiting was more prominent in children. About 3.6% (5/138)-15.9% (32/201) of adult and 6.5% (2/31)-66.7% (4/6) of children patients presented vomiting. Adult and children patients can present with digestive symptoms in the absence of respiratory symptoms. The incidence of digestive manifestations was higher in the later than in the early stage of the epidemic, but no differences in digestive symptoms among different regions were found.

    I do not know whether you will be able to read the immediately-above-quoted article, because the journal [Medscape] is intended for use only by physicians and professionals of medicine-related fields (like microbiology).

    AND see “Covid-19 was in Spanish sewage as early as MARCH 2019, study claims,” https://www.rt.com/news/493085-covid-spain-march-2019-sewage/ — which reports, among else, this:

    Traces of the novel coronavirus have been discovered in Barcelona sewage water months before the first case of the dreaded disease was reported in China, a new study by a group of Spanish researchers claims.

    Scientists with the Enteric Virus Group at the University of Barcelona detected the presence of the virus in frozen samples of the city’s wastewater collected as early as March 12, 2019. The group, led by Rosa Maria Pintó and Albert Bosch, was exploring the potential of wastewater analysis in early warning systems, and the prevention of future Covid-19 outbreaks, when it made the surprise discovery.

    Though one cannot deduce surely that the “novel coronavirus” traces entered sewage with fecal matter — or urine — such inference is a scientifically rational probability-estimate. Urine? Studies and published medical observations have reported that allegedly Covid-19 affects the kidneys.
    * https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31041-2/fulltext
    * https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7295466/
    * https://jasn.asnjournals.org/content/31/7/1380

    Now see again my above-referenced comment posted under the above-cited Mike Whitney article, “CODENAME: Operation Virus Identification 2019; the Elitist Plan to Remake Society” and see also in the comment-thread set under the same above-cited Mick Whitney article, my comment of August 20, 2020 at 1:39 am GMT (comment # 319) beginning with its heading “Addendum.”

  322. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    See my comment of August 29, 2020 at 10:22 pm GMT (comment # 327).

  323. @Anon

    If China thinks it is under covert biological attack, did China retaliate in any way?

    They responded by bankrupting the USA and assuming world leadership. See Cui Bono? https://www.unz.com/article/covid-19-cui-bono/

    One point I’m curious about is the protocols China provided to OMS. They included using of ventilators and not using antiinflamatories. Those protocols were dead wrong

    . Can you provide a reference for that? As far as I know, when lost 90% of ventilated patients, while they lost less than 50%.

  324. @gay troll

    Many thanks. I wrote the principal investigator with some followup questions.

    The connection between the now-discredited ‘vaping’ diagnosis and Covid-19 seems screamingly obvious, but our national media do not find it so.

    I presume that this is one reason for our withdrawal from the WHO and refusal to participate in its current investigation into the origins of the outbreak.

    Presumably, Wuhan Central District Hospital has the bloodwork from the US military patients they treated. Will those records see the light of day?

  325. @gay troll

    I wrote the the chief investigator of the BMJ paper whose link you provided:

    Dear Dr. Xantus,

    Thank you for asking the questions you raised in Smouldering ashes: burning questions after the outbreak of electronic cigarette or vaping-associated lung injury (EVALI).

    I am preparing, for a lay audience, an article on the similarities between EVALI and Covid-19 symptoms.

    Do you know of–or has your team done–any research in this area?

    He just replied:

    I have asked this question many times 🙂

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  326. @Godfree Roberts

    FYI, on the same day that the Military World Games was staged in Wuhan, China, on October 18, 2019, a global pandemic simulation was staged in New York, USA.

    Conspiracy or Choencidence?

    The simulation was called “Event 201.”

    About the Event 201 exercise

    Event 201 was a 3.5-hour pandemic tabletop exercise that simulated a series of dramatic, scenario-based facilitated discussions, confronting difficult, true-to-life dilemmas associated with response to a hypothetical, but scientifically plausible, pandemic. 15 global business, government, and public health leaders were players in the simulation exercise that highlighted unresolved real-world policy and economic issues that could be solved with sufficient political will, financial investment, and attention now and in the future.

    The exercise consisted of pre-recorded news broadcasts, live “staff” briefings, and moderated discussions on specific topics. These issues were carefully designed in a compelling narrative that educated the participants and the audience.

    The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, World Economic Forum, and Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation jointly propose these recommendations.

    Source: Event 201: A Global Pandemic Exercise

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  327. @Maowasayali

    As Woody Allen said, no matter how skeptical you get, you can’t keep up!

    • LOL: gay troll
  328. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    In fact, self-criticism is built into Chinese governance

    That’s the problem. Chinese government is about self-criticism but cannot be criticized by the people.
    Most people and entities are not self-critical given the nature of human pride and ego(and insecurities). Mao was for self-criticism(which he rarely practiced) but didn’t allow anyone else to criticize him. Even those who mildly criticized him in the aftermath of the Great Leap perished in the Cultural Revolution.

    In the US, Jews and blacks are for self-criticism. We do hear some Jews who criticize Jewish power, and some blacks who air dirty laundry about the black community. But they rarely go very far. One thing for sure, they will not tolerate non-Jews criticizing Jewish Power or non-blacks criticizing Black Problems.

    Imagine if US deep state declared itself to be self-critical but shut down all criticism by outsiders. Well, that’s pretty much the case in most of media and platforms.

    Also, there are two kinds of self-criticism in China. One is voluntary among the powerful, and the other is coercive for the powerless. Naturally, the powerful make only mild self-criticism while dodging the real issues, whereas the powerless and underlings are pressured to confess about things they aren’t guilty of(so as to take the blame for the wrongs done by higher-ups).

    Self-criticism may be good for the soul, but it’s useless politically. Whether it’s the US or China, the notion of the powerful being guided by sincere self-criticism is a joke. The only effective kind of criticism is done by rivals and honest critics on the outside.

    • Agree: utu
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  329. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Glad to hear you are working on an article about EVALI and COVID. I hope you will include the fact that a classified bio-agent breached the BSL facilities at Fort Detrick sometime in spring/summer of 2019, and the CDC closed down Detrick because of this breach 33 days before announcing the EVALI epidemic. The Frederick News-Post is an excellent resource for local journalism about the Detrick closure. Heather Mongilio in particular has some very informative articles.

    https://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/politics_and_government/military/cdc-inspection-findings-reveal-more-about-usamriid-research-suspension/article_6d1d316e-4989-5307-924c-8608c25ef6f7.html

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  330. @Anonymous

    There is no comparison between the level/practice of self-criticism among Chinese officials and that among Western officials. None.

    Mao was perfectly willing to criticize himself when he messed up. After the partial failure of the Great Leap Forward, the Party gathered in Lushan, and war hero Peng Dehuai accused Mao’s peasant supporters of ‘petty-bourgeois fanaticism.’ Mao protested, “At least thirty percent of them are actively on our side, another thirty percent are pessimists and landlords while the rest are middle-of-the-roaders. How many people are thirty percent? It’s 150 million people! They want to run communes and mess halls and do everything cooperatively. They are very enthusiastic and keen. How can you call them petty-bourgeois fanatics?”

    Unmoved, his colleagues passed a resolution against “Impetuous actions, utopian dreams, and ignoring the necessary stages of social development which could only be achieved after the lapse of considerable time.”

    A crestfallen Mao admitted, “We rushed into a great catastrophe. The communes were organized too quickly. The Great Leap has been a partial failure for which we have paid a high price. The chaos was on a grand scale and I take responsibility for it…The transition to a dàtóng society might take longer than I had envisaged, perhaps as many as twenty Five Year Plans, but the drive to attain it should never be abandoned.”

    He declined to stand for re-election, commenting, “If you can’t handle being impeached by the Party you are not Party material.” He moped around for the next 18 months saying later, “I felt like a mourner at my own funeral.”

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  331. @gay troll

    Thank you for that link. I’m beginning to believe that, had our Coronavirus outbreak been naturally caused, the CDC would not have covered it up. It was the Ft. Detrick connection that triggered the fatal decision to conceal it.

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  332. Ron I go thru the same exercise every morning. First the Times then the Journal. I grew up believing that the NY Times was the bible. I cannot believe my eyes at the sheer lack of intellectual honestly. My favorites at this insanity are Chrales Blow and Michelle Goldberg. Articles like this should not be allowed to be published. I am stunned. I still like the Sunday Arts and Leisure, Book Review and Magazine, which I get in hard print.
    When I read the WSJ I am so happy to see honesty and clarity in every article, and really good intellectual ideas. They do not shy away from criticizing Trump. But they have been steely eyed about the Russian hoax that was on the front pages of the NYT and CNN for months. I thought after reading the times that Trump would be gone in a few months. That he collaborated to throw the election. The fact that they have not come clean about their dishonestly is shocking. We used to come to a truthful conclusion at the end of each one of the countries traumas where we could all agree about who was right and who was wrong. Like the McCarthy era. No longer is the ultimate truth available to us. We see different versions of the truth going on and on.
    This lack of fundamental truth in our journalistic institutions is contributing to the collapse of American. When will it stop?

  333. Polemos says:
    @gay troll

    Weren’t the cartridges themselves claimed to be Chinese knock-offs, too? There’s something to that effect in this article:

    One explanation for the onset of the vaping illness outbreak this year is the Trump administration’s April imposition of 25% tariffs on goods from China, suggested vape device importer KushCo’s Kovacevich, echoing a complaint made by his industry about the ongoing trade war for more than a year. That’s because China is where most vaporizers, cartridges, and other e-cigarette parts are made.

    The economics are simple, he said, when a premium e-cigarette cartridge suddenly costs $2.50, but a cheap one that might expose users to shoddier material in the body of devices and uneven combustion temperatures only costs $1.25. “People will go with what is cheaper if the price difference is suddenly a lot bigger.”

    With an added tariff, it’s possible that vapers have turned to more dubious home brews and less safe devices, he suggested. “The labs we use are inspected and use best manufacturing processes,” he said. “We are competing with chop shop factories in China knocking off branded counterfeits that say XYZ company on the package but are not really affiliated, and who knows what they are getting.”

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/vaping-lung-illness-mystery-causes

    So, the goal has been consistently to blame/frame China, deflecting from the US? There also blaming the victim: people have a cheap vice that will kill them, people not wearing masks will kill themselves and others. Anything to deflect the focus? 🛂

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  334. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    A little more food for thought, in light of the EVALI peak occurring immediately before the Fed started injecting repo cash into U.S. money markets on September 17th:

    -The next week, September 24, the House of Representatives launched its impeachment inquiry against DJT. In my opinion the impeachment was spurious with no chance of success. Thus in my opinion a successful impeachment was never the goal; the goal was a failed impeachment that could provide Trump with political cover from future legitimate criticism.

    -September was also the month that epidemiologist Linda Quick’s job in China was to be discontinued by the CDC. Because of this she actually resigned in protest in late July. I have been unable to determine the date when the decision was made to discontinue her job in China.

  335. gay troll says:
    @Polemos

    I agree with your point about blaming China for black market vaporizers. This despite the fact that the CDC initially used the EVALI crisis to attack Juul.

    people not wearing masks will kill themselves and others.

    Ah yes, the nefarious maskholes. The CDC just released new guidance stating that only 6% of COVID fatalities in the U.S. are attributed to COVID alone. The other 94% of fatalities have an average of 2.6 comorbidities.

  336. Wow! Linda Quick resigned in protest? Can you find out her stated and–hopefully–personal reasons?

    Resigning from a job like that is a big deal. She obviously didn’t do it lightly.

    Here’s all my correspondence with the EVALI investigator:

    [MORE]

    From: me to Dr. Xantus:

    Thank you for asking the questions you raised in Smouldering ashes: burning questions after the outbreak of electronic cigarette or vaping-associated lung injury (EVALI).

    I am preparing, for a lay audience, an article on the similarities between EVALI and Covid-19 symptoms.

    Do you know of–or has your team done–any research in this area?

    Gabor Xantus to me:
    Sun, Aug 30, 6:37 AM (1 day ago)

    I have asked this question many times 🙂

    From: me to Dr. Xantus:

    And you hear….crickets?

    We should know more when the WHO completes its investigation but, since the USA will not participate, it remains to be seen how much more.

    I suspect that China’s CCDC knew that Covid-19 was loose in the US last August, since there are Chinese researchers in every American lab and most of them suspect that the US has been waging biological warfare on there country since 1951.

    The FBI, as you may recall, was briefly paranoid about their ‘stealing medical IP’ and arrested several from Boston’s Deaconess Medical Center who were smuggle tissue samples (an odd form of IP) to China.

    Two got through, however, and presumably delivered their samples to Beijing, which then prepared perhaps the greatest geopolitical jiujitsu move in history: a dramatic domestic campaign that drew so much attention to Covid-19 that the CDC gave up trying to conceal the outbreak and lifted their ban on Covid testing in mid-March (a 10-week delay which nobody finds curious!).

    Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. If you find any clues I would be grateful if you would share them.

    Gabor Xantus to me:
    We have contacted numerous Centers which has performered broncho alveolar lavage to run COVID tests on their sample. So far have not heard back from them.

    I will keep you posted
    Bw. Dr Gábor

    Res ipsa loquitur, I say…

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  337. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Mao was perfectly willing to criticize himself when he messed up.

    Yeah, like “Oops… looks like my policy killed around 30 million people. Maybe better luck next time.”

    The reason why so many of Mao’s crazy plans went opposed is because people were fearful of speaking out. If they said anything that displeased Mao, their heads could be on the block. I mean the campaign to kill all sparrows would have opposed by anyone with sense, but in Mao’s empire of fear, no one dared to point out that killing sparrows would lead to a massive infestation of pests.

    Btw, Peng Dehuai who did harshly criticize Mao for the Great Leap ended up this way.

    https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Peng_Dehuai

    After the 1971 Lin Biao incident, the military attempted to improve Peng’s living conditions, but the years of deprivation and torture from 1967–1970 had seriously weakened his physical health, and from late 1972 until his death Peng was seriously ill, probably with tuberculosis, thrombosis, or both. Peng was briefly hospitalized in 1973 before being returned to prison, the first time that he had been outside of prison since 1967. Peng’s niece, Peng Meikui, visited Peng in the hospital and convinced his jailers to allow an operation, but the nature and results of this operation are unknown. Peng’s medical condition deteriorated further in 1974; but, because of direct orders from Mao not to treat him, he received no substantial medical aid.

  338. Polemos says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Thank you very much for taking the time to work things out with detail. It helps to follow your case and your thinking processes. That is appreciated and helps discern who a person is.

    That said, you don’t think we can mean more than what’s written or spoken? I’m sure you fit puns and innuendo and poems into your theory, but where?

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  339. gay troll says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    As far as I can tell, Dr. Quick made no public statement. From https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21910S,

    Zhu and the other sources said Quick could have provided real-time information to U.S. and other officials around the world during the first weeks of the outbreak, when they said the Chinese government tamped down on the release of information and provided erroneous assessments.

  340. “Oops… looks like my policy killed around 30 million people. Maybe better luck next time.”

    Outside of war, Mao didn’t kill anybody. The CCP had the lowest internal death rate of any political movement in history: about 0.03%.

    The reason why so many of Mao’s crazy plans went opposed is because people were fearful of speaking out. If they said anything that displeased Mao, their heads could be on the block. I mean the campaign to kill all sparrows would have opposed by anyone with sense, but in Mao’s empire of fear, no one dared to point out that killing sparrows would lead to a massive infestation of pests.

    Mao’s plans weren’t crazy. He got where he was because he was the best planner in human history. The PRC is currently following Mao’s plan and is, as you may have noticed, kicking our ass with it.

    Peng Dehuai was in upper management because he was a war hero but, having trained at the Russian military academy, he advocated the Soviet way to communism. Mao told him that a centralized, top-down, urban-centric approach would never work in China and would not last long in Russia. He was right on both counts.

    When Peng proved obstructive–not merely critical–Mao bulldozed him aside because he knew that, if he didn’t emancipate the peasants, they were doomed to another 3000 years of serfdom.

    That’s what the Cultural Revolution was for, it was his greatest triumph, and it’s why a million people–more than the entire population of San Francisco–have visited his birthplace every month since the day he died. Maybe they know something you don’t?

  341. @gay troll

    Given that the CDC classified all Coronavirus conversations Top Secret, I don’t blame her for staying out of the limelight.

    What would you give to be able to interview her?

  342. @gay troll

    I’m not sure she could have improved on the information flow. Remember, the hangup was in Wuhan. Once the information reached Beijing, where Dr. Quick was based, it went to the WHO in 24 hours.

    As to

    they said the Chinese government tamped down on the release of information and provided erroneous assessments.

    They would say that, wouldn’t they? With zero evidence, the slimy bastards. I hope their chicanery is fully revealed.

  343. Sparkon says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Many Americans are not in good health these days. Who knew?

    Already we do know that up to 67% of Americans are overweight or obese. Many in the U.S. drink alcoholic beverages, and 26% report engaging in binge drinking. Smoking is down, but 16% are still puffing away. 55% are taking prescription medications. 38% engage in illicit drug use. 67% of U.S. households have a pet. In 2012, 21% of Americans had one or more tattoos. 12% of males and 72% of females practice body piercing. Most women use cosmetics, and all of us are exposed to toxic chemicals in personal care products like shampoo and deodorant. 37% regularly consume fast food. 53% drink Diet Coke.

    The rate at which people are diagnosed with colorectal cancer in the US is dropping among people 65 and older but rising in younger age groups… Rates have been increasing since the mid-1980s in adults ages 20-39 years and since the mid-1990s in adults ages 40-54 years, with younger age groups experiencing the steepest increase.

    How many people in the United States really have no underlying health problems or medical conditions?

    Whatever that number is, the fact that the CDC’s report states “…6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned” proves that the disease cannot be a hoax.

  344. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    You wrote:

    That said, you don’t think we can mean more than what’s written or spoken?

    (1) “That said” is a dangling participle. (2) I did NOT say anything like “[I] don’t think we can mean more than what’s written or spoken.” I said exactly [not less than or aught else but] THIS:

    [MORE]

    Words do not communicate thoughts (as if thoughts played cargo of a ship of syntax). Words ARE the thoughts they communicate.

    John speaks a sentence. Mary observes John meant “X.” John replies he did not intend “X,” but failed to communicate his true thought, “Z.”

    John mistakes reality. He bore three thoughts: (1) the thought John’s stated words made and Mary received as X (for, despite John’s protest, he could not state a thought he did not bear); (2) the thought Z, which John’s stated words did not form; (3) the thought, Y, that John mis-communicated Z, so that Mary received Z as X.

    Except typing errors, we mean exactly what we say and say precisely what we mean—not more, not other, not less. Except typing errors, we bear utter responsibility for the full actuality, and every meaning, of every word we state.

    With your brief, and clumsy, paraphrase of what I said, you state a proposition utterly different from my statement that you thought you paraphrased. ALL paraphrases, even “careful,” “intelligent” ones, alter what they “paraphrase.”

    You wrote:

    I’m sure you fit puns and innuendo and poems into your theory, but where?

    (1) Your language’s punctuation is wrong. The error created:
    (a) an improperly ended, hence not ended, sentence (the final word of which is “theory”)
    (b) a dangling sentence-fragment — “but where?”

    (2) The intent or meaning of a pun, an innuendo, a poem, or poetry

    [In the following portion of my reply, “speaker” shall mean speaker or writer, and “listener” shall mean hearer or reader, etc.]

    Words actually spoken remain the words actually spoken, even if the speaker (thinks he) intends, or the listener “receives,” a meaning “greater than” or “different from” the meaning the speaker presented — just as the speaker or writer may not anticipate or appreciate how the audience may receive, or attribute meaning to, the precise, actual words the speaker speaks.

    Rarely will a listener not interpolate or edit the precise actual words the speaker speaks. (I mean interpolate, NOT “interpret.”) Why?

    Most humans think sloppy thoughts, just as they live lives near-empty but for chaos and emotion, which (emotion) is (unlike feeling) only irrational judgment. Just so, immensely FEW humans are able to control their words or their perceptions of their words’ meaning(s).

    Hence, subconsciously, near-all listener-humans edit or interpolate near all utterances others speak, because they (near-all listener-humans) cannot apprehend, or allow themselves to expect, that anyone can mean precisely and only exactly the words and syntax he speaks.

    THEY (near-all listener-humans) cannot control THEIR words or THEIR perceptions of THEIR words’ meaning(s). So, they “KNOW” (their subconscious emotional compulsion insists) that NO OTHER humans CAN control — critically — their words and perceptions or their words’ meaning(s).

    YOU, Polemos, are “living proof.” Consistently you interpolate and edit my words and their syntaxes. You CANNOT even SEE what actually I write, because your do not — CANNOT — apprehend what actually YOU say. You cannot allow yourself to apprehend a statement that conflicts with what you wish or need to hear or read (or think you say).

    The following quote is a wee excerpt of one of my pieces of short fiction — an excerpt of a passage of the protagonist’s diary. [You will not find the text online. The text exists only as “hard copy.”]:

    Often we say words we “don’t mean,” blurt sentences we “don’t intend,” of plural significance we can’t explain but surprises us. We blame neglect, fear, drunkenness, anger, even “hearing voices” — maybe wizard codes of microwaves — that force words or phrases irresponsible, or conjure acts, like “devil”-slayings, that play the messages of gods.

    But do words clasp your throat, wring themselves from you? In our minds, we hear unflagging songs we can’t endure, hold relentless conversations with our thoughts, suffer insights, free associations. Volition fleshes like bone, cached in a sarcophagus.

    * * *

    You insist: “I can attribute some thought to events outside me — my reaction.” But why, truly why, do you react as your words do, if you do?
    What beneath, subliminal, compels our terms? Do they seethe from the well of making dreams? Do they invade? Just happen?

    A current draws me. The room shuts the door, closes me from light, opens to void. Only could I feel I wore eyes. The sight envelopes, like burning sea — fear, cold, its python crushing inspiration. Memory returns to child, frail, infant, another birth-not-done.

    And how shall I address the matter of “implications” (the “meanings” of “puns,” “innuendos,” or “poetic” speech)? In the preceding quote of my short fiction, I adumbrated some of the answer. More? Another excerpt of my same short fiction:

    As “red ball” is not “red plus ball,” it is not a conveyance of an idea of a red ball or of the proposition “red plus ball.” The phrase “red ball” means itself, the special idea it is, including what it takes from, and gives, its setting, shape, color, music, and milieu, human and else.

    I close by referencing another’s work, a fine French film that shows the meaning of “wit” (en français, “esprit”), which (“wit”) manifests with “innuendo,” “play-on-words,” “irony,” oximoron….., NOT humor. The film’s name is “Ridicule.” The following link “opens” a YouTube recording of the film. The recording does not provide English subtitles. Comprenez-vous la langue française, la plus belle langue?

    I think the following link will “open” a recording that provides English subtitles, but I cannot guaranty so, because I did not view the recording. To view the recording, one must create an account. I wanted NOT to create an account.

    http://multimedianet.work/play.php?movie=tt0117477

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  345. Polemos says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Again, thank you for developing your thoughts and for presenting your case. I also appreciate your interpretation and sense of rigor.

    ‘Whether’ is a marker for me the way that ‘either’ is a marker: it signals a disjunction, and I cannot form a disjunction by proposing only one of the disjuncts (it’s not how I’m programmed, you see). If you think the right side, so to speak, of the disjunction is unnecessary, consider that what you’re arguing is that one could say: “Well, either the horse is out of the barn.” Can you say that? It is, for me, similar to leaving off the right parenthesis or a left quotation mark. Do you make it a habit to leave off parenthesis or quotations marks, or do you prefer enclosures?

    [MORE]

    Now, I can see someone say “That’s a shame, whether the horse is out.” Here in the South, I’d think the person is eliding the other disjunct, but in other parts of the English-speaking world, people might come to different conclusions. I am not sure many will agree with you that to elide the other disjunct is the proper and more logical way of stating it, or even the way it must always be, but then I’m not sure many people talk about or think about these things rather than just convey them. We’re not all post-retired lawyers used to having our conversational way!

    Still, I’m not sure you’re right that “Whether or not u is a C” translates actually to a conjunct of (u is C AND not-u is C), my reading of your

    But “John wonders whether or not X is Y” equals “John wonders whether X is Y and whether not-X is Y.” If X implies not-Y, then not-X implies Y (“Y,” here, meaning “Y is true”)

    I take it that when someone is saying something like ‘Whether or not the horse is out of the barn . . .’ they mean the disjunct “(The horse is out of the barn OR the horse is not out of the barn) . . .” and not the conjunct “(The horse is out of the barn AND the not-horse is out of the barn) . . .” Do you disagree? In what situations would you?

    I am not sure that your “If X implies not-Y . . .” is precise, because when you write “if X is false (not-X) and Y is true, then not-X [or X-false] implies Y-true,” that’s a tautology:

    (¬X & Y) → (¬X → Y)

    (Do you see why that’s a tautology?) but this is not the same logical sentence as

    (X → ¬Y) → (¬X → Y)

    (What happens when both X and Y are false?) yet this is what you are saying when you wrote “If X implies not-Y, then not-X implies Y.”

    As you said, I’m only supposed to go off (go on?) what you actually wrote, and not what you intended. I look forward to your corrections, because it seems to me that you intend to educate me on this point, but it’s unclear how. As you might say, that’s probably because I’m an idiot or uneducated or illiterate or not reading your comments, all things you infer about me on the basis of what I wrote while also telling me that we (I?) cannot infer to things not in the text that we (I?) did not read — probably I am an idiot and a fool, but it’s one way to pass down time in between clients — you remember that, right?

    Happily, I’ll admit my sentence that you take issue with including ‘or not’ is not well-written. Not everyone hears what they read the way I said it when I typed it. I am happy to edit it, although I don’t think that I was wrong to notice that your argument against Sousa’s conclusions amounts to pointing out the paradox in Sousa’s statements. Does Sousa intend to say that MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus (as he explicitly does) or did he necessarily negatively imply that MERS-CoV is not a betacoronavirus (as you pretend he does)? I think a reasonable person reading with charity towards Sousa is that Sousa in (vii) meant to say that SARS-CoV-2 is the only other betacoronavirus having that particular characteristic discussed and probably got carried away with himself when he wrote that SARS-CoV-2 is the only betacoronavirus with that characteristic, especially given, as you pointed out, that he immediately then states that MERS-CoV is a betacoronavirus (and, likely, his parenthetical statement in between his clauses further reduced the scope of what he was thinking, so that his next ‘only’ was meant for a scope already excluding MERS-CoV!). I think you reduce the example towards the absurd too much when you try to imply Sousa was adducing an erroneous microbiology by capitalizing a word, because there’s nothing to indicate that’s the most charitable reading nor the most concerned with coherence of his message, but given my own compulsions, how could I fault the more educated and time-efficient doctor-lawyer-professor (or was it a professor-lawyer-doctor?) for showmanship of hyperbolic proportions? Rather than be precise and say that Sousa has presented us with a paradox, you try to say that Sousa is just too sloppy to consider worth considering further: his “VERY sloppy language (criticized above) impeach, substantially, the article’s assertions.”

    Maybe you see no need for charitable readings of others, but that you demand we read you with charity requires you for the sake of karma to accept that you must read others charitably, too. Do you disagree?

    You say “I quoted his article by copying language set in the article’s online-published text — not from the summary you put in your comment.” Okay, but we copied from the same source at the same point, and you didn’t appear to engage in any of the other sections of the article in that earlier comment. Did you, though?

    So when you do quote the article, you only quote the one paragraph while saying you’re quoting two. Again, if I had worked under the same idea that you have that the only things we have for inferring meanings (thoughts! you wrote) and intentions is what someone writes and cannot infer from what others fail to write, then I have to conclude that you intended by saying there are two paragraphs but only quoting one paragraph — and, again, after correcting your earlier comment and specifying “the two above-confessed typing errors were the ONLY errors of my comment” leaving it clear that you intend to say that there are no more errors in your comment — that you intended all along to say of one paragraph that it is, in fact, two paragraphs! Risible! Significance! Truly immensely! Otherly adverbs in bolded face!

    As for this,

    Mr. Souza’s apparent argument was that SARS CoV-2 must be a lab-synthesized virus because it bears a segment of HIV structure.

    Actually, isn’t Sousa’s argument that the probability for all of these changes to have happened without experimental assistance is very small, not that any single one of the changes is proof or evidence that the outcome was synthesized or manufactured?

    I am happy that you’re against strictly non-holistic/allopathic medicine. I am also very happy that you and your wife are doing well, and, pardon me for my inferring from what is not written, but I am also happy that apparently neither of you is afraid. To me, you’re one of the better and more engaging posters, and I absolutely respect and honor your own commitment to the threads and links among your comments and your insistence that others also do the work of tracking them back and seeing their context. But do you make hyperbolic conclusions and dramatize them with prejudicial and inflammatory language? Sure — maybe nowhere near as inflammatory as, say, vot tak or obwandiyag, but your arguments don’t always justify the kind of starkly skeptical conclusions you’re proposing. That said, are you familiar with the book Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries?

    And again, thank you for taking the time to assemble information together and post your thoughts. You are very valuable in the conversation and I look forward to your comments when I see them. You might think I’m not being serious here, but search your heart and you’ll grok, I mean it all.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  346. Polemos says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Except typing errors, we mean exactly what we say and say precisely what we mean—not more, not other, not less.

    Reads to me like you’re saying we say and mean nothing more and nothing less than what is said.

    “So you don’t think we can mean more than what’s written or spoken?”

    You’re saying . . . No, you don’t think that?

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  347. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    You need remedial reading lessons and Orgonomic psychotherapy.

    Again, you edited and interpolated, rather than READ. You saw what your character structure wants, even needs, to see, not the words presented to your eyes.

  348. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    If I can find enough time tomorrow, I shall reply to more of your comment to which this comment is a cursory response.

    Have you considered constructing shorter paragraphs— making the paragraph the unit of logical construction? Have mercy on your readers, and on your poor, troubled thought-processes.

    [MORE]

    At this time, I can say only that your truth-logic attempt fails, partly because you think the tautology is a mistake — much because you did not READ (but sought to defend your ego), hence missed, utterly, the syntax-logic/language-elegance point (re: the always-error “whether or not”).

    By finding one form of propositional calculus symbol-system, you earn an E for effort.

    But with this

    (What happens when both X and Y are false?) yet this is what you are saying when you wrote “If X implies not-Y, then not-X implies Y.”

    you show you need much symbolic logic/truth logic/Boolean algebra tutelage — supplemented by a remedial writing course.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  349. Loup-Bouc says:

    Very recently, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that 94% of American patients who have “died from COVID-19″ had other underlying health conditions. https://sputniknews.com/society/202008311080332281-cdc-94-of-us-covid-19-deaths-involved-underlying-medical-conditions/

    But the CDC did not consider whether the “underlying health conditions,” not “Covid-19,” caused the deaths? Nor did the CDC compare deaths of people who had both the flu and also “underlying health conditions.”

    [MORE]

    Even the CDC knows that many Covid-19-test “positive” results are false or questionable. Did the CDC study whether, and if so how frequently, “positive” Covid-19″ test results are, instead, positive for a flu virus or another microbe, not SARS CoV-2? Antigen cross-reaction/cross-immunity is very real and can, and does, produce false positive test-results [whether the test is molecular (RT-PCR or LAMP), antigen (virus-surface: spike membrane, small envelope, nucleocapsid proteins), or antibody].

    And do not discount negligence and bad test-mechanisms and downright lying.

    Downright lying? Sundry political and economic interests gain by keeping the pandemic scare alive and well, and the interested will lie to maintain their interest and the wealth or political power it gains them. Those interests include even the “health care provider” community, which lies to reap Medicare money [20% additional reimbursement] by fraud (claiming falsely that a patient had “Ciovid-19).

    In many cases, physicians, HMOs, nursing homes, geriatric case facilities, Medicare Advantage insurers, or hospitals have claimed or will claim that non-Covid-19 cases involve Covid-19 because Medicare coverage is specially substantial — 20% more than for non-Covid-19 cases — per provisions of Section 3710 of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act [aka “CARES Act”], https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/hr748/BILLS-116hr748enr.pdf
    CARES Act Section 3710 provides:

    For discharges occurring during the emergency period described in section 1135(g)(1)(B), in the case of a discharge of an individual diagnosed with COVID-19, the Secretary (of Health and Human Services) shall increase the weighting factor that would otherwise apply to the diagnosis-related group to which the discharge is assigned by 20 percent.” Compare
    * https://revcycleintelligence.com/news/hospitals-ask-for-relief-from-healthcare-fraud-laws-during-covid-19
    * https://www.bassberry.com/news/covid-19-cares-act-funding-facts-and-enforcement-risks-for-the-healthcare-industry/
    * https://www.ropesgray.com/en/newsroom/alerts/2020/04/CARES-Act-Oversight-False-Claims-Act-Risk-under-the-CARES-Act-for-Health-Care-Providers
    * https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiEorK7t6PrAhV_IDQIHandB0IQFjABegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmerhale.com%2F-%2Fmedia%2Ffiles%2Fshared_content%2Feditorial%2Fpublications%2Fwh_publications%2Fclient_alert_pdfs%2F20200626-covid-19-healthcare-fraud-in-a-public-health-emergency.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1ExVLl2uKiXguO43PzSjQs

    Medicare frauds have been, and remain, commonplace. See, e.g.,
    https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/hope-hospice-agrees-pay-32-million-settle-false-claims-act-liability
    AND
    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/federal-indictments-and-law-enforcement-actions-one-largest-health-care-fraud-schemes
    AND
    https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.20.4.28

    The 20% higher Covid-19-related Medicare coverage super-incentivizes Covid-19-claim fraud. We do not know how much the Covid-19 infection-rate numbers are inflated by false Covid-19 Medicare claims. But we MUST know:
    (a) that such Medicare-fraud-caused Covid-19-rate inflation has occurred and will continue
    (b) that since the Medicare-covered population (65-and-older) is the most likely to seek medical care for Covid-19-like symptoms or for other causes, such inflation is near-certainly statistically significant.

  350. Polemos says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Yeah, gonna have to say you’re bullshitting here, Lu Bu, and that’s unfortunate given that you are ordinarily aiming for excellence in your posts.

    So otherwise, I’m happy to be the mirror for your projections, because it does provide you the opportunity to work on those aspects of your soul on its karmic journey, for how else should I think of the grace and kindness you bestow on me with your corrections and accusations of my character deficits? Shall I hate you or get frustrated with you and seek to injure you? Hardly! Every slight and insult you desire to manifest as my submission to you must come from a place of love, sincere interest, and the seat of who you are. Why risk damage to your soul for the sake of my dangling misgrammaring? — only if you did so from a place of honoring me would you do such a thing!

    Right?

    As for me, I don’t have an egoic problem with my ignorance and lack of knowledge, nor with my multiple errors and failures to capture exactly what I think and mean and intend. I know that I am several go-arounds on the Great Wheel, and I know that I have a ways to go yet. I learn from great people that the name of the eternal name is not the eternal name. I learn from great people that our spirits mean things in pictures, symbols, gestures, and energetic exchange, far in excess of what a word captures, each of them with their own limitations, for there is no model for the universe within the universe that matches its totality, yet the artists and writers and thinkers try, and must. This is part of how we learn and grow. Like Plato says in Republic, Book 6: ideas unite with us in the corresponding, shapely wombs of our souls, and in that communion and intimacy within we conceive intelligence and truth, we then labor to nurture, grow, and birth. We must combine with what becomes us, if we are to become what we are. I am always in pursuit of my Love, and I hope that you are, as well, following your Love.

    Thank you for your time and your contributions to our growth and maturity.

  351. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    You wrote:

    Yeah, gonna have to say you’re bullshitting here….

    What, exactly, is the “bullshit”?

    [MORE]

    Perhaps you will draw some virtue from a few more entries of the diary of the protagonist of one of my pieces of short fiction — the same short fiction I quoted in part of my comment of August 31, 2020 at 9:07 pm GMT (comment # 352).

    Actions make self. So, word equals idea, consciousness: self is language, utterly. A wolf’s howl is longing, though its curve inspires, by mimicry, the sadness of a lip crescented down.

    Actions make self when they behave as words, even if only to the actor. Speech and thought are action, and conscious action is language, that of manifest judgment — even if a wolf’s, even to the wolf.

    ***

    Language constitutes the meaning that is self, conscious being. Self embodies a program of thought, feeling, and emotion — a spawn of comparative analysis, however quick, secret, precerebral, sublime. Contempt is not beast, but judgment. Judgment aggregates and orders terms to build import — as if “lazy” + “thieving” + “squalid” + “cruel” = “contemnible” (a synergy). Emotion is the outcome of neural algebra obeying axioms of psychic mold.

    ***

    All conscious sense is language. It occurs just as symbol, even if not of any lexicon.

    You recall — in image and feeling — a garden party. You choose, subliminally, to recall one part — the smell of a rose a woman wore, perfume to which you attribute significance, by your subliminal choice of that memory. You devise the reminiscence symbol — word(s).

    You remember a scent you loved in your youth, the aroma of a bus you rode with your mother when still she nursed you with her ample breasts. Even do you feel you smell it, now, as if actual. Why? Subconsciously, you chose it from all the odors of your past. You pursue its meaning, what it stands for, what it says — its bell that made Pavlov drool.

    Like a mirror, one can stand responsible only for all one’s symbols, even if not called words. The symbols make one’s responsibility — as farming punishes with drought, as we do not reckon reflex or instinct’s issue.

    A moron madman kills your mate. We choose not to arrest him. He could not call his action “wrong.” It made no meaning, to him, in him — as a lamb’s flesh signifies nothing, even in a wolf’s belly.

    But, beneath, does instinct explain all acts — every deed, thought, perception, word? Is responsibility illusion? Does integrity equal the eye of a goat? Do we sing just songs of ravens and crows, talk only grunts? Is the maker immune for every sense such music means — even as heard?

    ***

    Forever, dark bears the savage of light —
    the hard of clear, the cut of its limits.

    Reviewing all your words, I find NO cause of judging you evil — despite you chose your pseudonym, a demon spirit of war that philosophies and law transformed to a pit bull of verbal attack, a choice of defense a battered child might grow up dreaming.

    I retract NOTHING of what I have said to you (except my few typing errors). But you are trying — endeavoring to understand, to improve. For that you have my empathy.

    Yet, trying never succeeds. Instead: emulate the alpha wolf, the mountain goat, the mated gander of species Branta canadensis.

    I withdraw from our colloquy. I wish you joy, if not peace — and short paragraphs.

  352. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Polemos

    This note supplements my my comment of September 1, 2020 at 8:25 pm GMT (comment # 359).

    I forgot to observe:

    [MORE]

    (1) I do not possess a soul (just as no human or other creature possesses a soul).

    (2) Karma and reincarnation are learned hallucinations suffered by hordes craving “MORE” because their childhoods, thence their adulthoods, were flattened, inflamed, broken, and dried by sexual repression and other life-squelching experience (rules, right morals, oppressive religion, fearsome religion, poverty (economic and other), physical abuse…….).

    (3) Neither hate nor “brotherly love” — nor any other emotion — explains any words I have addressed to you.

    (4) Like Tao Te Ching and the philosophy of the Stoics and the essence of Orgonomy (Reichian psychiatry), Bhagavad Gita teaches us to kill our emotions and proceed through life with instinct, rational thought, hungry minds, wit, humor, feelings……. BUT NOT EMOTION.

    Feelings?
    Empathy (felt physically, with chills, short breath, savage rage, laughter, tears……)
    Sexual LOVE
    Parental LOVE
    Anger, hunger, thirst, joy, sadness, innocent lust, instinctual fear
    Passion — creative passion, passionate play, work-passion……
    Animal honor, bestial loyalty, the passionate indefatigability of beasts
    BUT NOT EMOTION.

    One may perceive and appreciate Bhagavad Gita’s true teaching if one compares the most vital text ever composed, Tao Te Ching, Chapter 38, the only philosophic text humans need:

    TAO TE CHING, CHAPTER 38 [my translation]

    A truly good man does not apprehend his goodness, and SO is good.
    A foolish man tries to be good, and SO is NOT good.

    A truly good man does nothing, yet leaves nothing undone.
    A foolish man is always doing, yet leaves much unfinished, even unattended.
    When a truly good man does something, all is complete.
    When a just man does something, he leaves much needing to be begun.
    When a disciplinarian does something & no one responds, he grinds his teeth and tries to enforce order.

    When Tao is lost, goodness does not exist.
    When goodness is lost, kindness begins.
    When kindness is lost, justice begins.
    When justice is lost, ritual begins.
    Ritual is the husk of faith & loyalty, the beginning of confusion.

    In “knowledge” of the future one finds just a gaudy sham of Tao.
    Prescience is the beginning of folly.
    The great man is the truly good, who dwells on what is real
    — the fruit, not the flower.
    Accept the fruit; ignore the flower.

  353. Whatever that number is, the fact that the CDC’s report states “…6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned” proves that the disease cannot be a hoax.

    The hoax part of #covidhoax isn’t that the virus doesn’t exist, it’s that the world was shut down to destroy the booming Trumpconomy over an illness with a 99% recovery rate.

    The people who foisted this bullshit on us should all be hanging from lampposts with ropes made of old masks, six feet off the ground.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Loup-Bouc
  354. Sparkon says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    The fact that you or anyone doesn’t like the way the response to the pandemic has been handled does not legitimize calling any part of it a hoax.

    Nor was the world shut down. It may have been a Charlie Foxtrot, but it wasn’t a hoax, and the world wasn’t shut down.

    Words do have meaning. You can’t just toss them around like salad. English is rich in descriptive words, at least for those who have reasonable command of the language, an 8th grade vocabulary, and the intent to inform rather than deceive.

  355. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    You wrote:

    The hoax part of #covidhoax isn’t that the virus doesn’t exist, it’s that the world was shut down to destroy the booming Trumpconomy over an illness with a 99% recovery rate.

    Right now, 2:05 PM Pacific Time, in the U.S., the alleged recovery rate is 56.15%.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    Worldwide, the recovery rate is 70.2%.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    You observe correctly that, of the hoax’s sundry outrageous purposes, one is to prevent Trump’s re-election. But you undermine your observation by asserting a false statistic.

  356. The statistics were skewered from the start.

    Up until last week, every death was counted as a covid death. Birx told the nation with a straight face it was happening. Economic incentives to label every death a covid death were also exposed.

    Do your numbers make any distinction between “covid alone” deaths and those who are high-risk (elderly/other underlying conditions?)

    Had fake news never mentioned covid or mentioned it in passing, no one outside of the vulnerable would’ve noticed.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  357. The fact that you or anyone doesn’t like the way the response to the pandemic has been handled does not legitimize calling any part of it a hoax.

    The clowns responsible for the hysteria have been lying since the hoax began.

    Nor was the world shut down. It may have been a Charlie Foxtrot, but it wasn’t a hoax, and the world wasn’t shut down.

    So far, covidhoax has cost the global economy close to 10 trillion dollars. Rights have been trampled, lives and livelihoods ruined. For a statistical nothingburger. (If the virus is as deadly as claimed, you wouldn’t have to be forced to wear a mask.)

    “If the end brings me out all right, what’s said against me won’t amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.”

  358. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    You miss the statistics point. The point is NOT deaths allegedly owed to Covid-19. The point is alleged “Covid-19” RECOVERY statistics.

    Surely, every death is a non-recovery. But that fact is irrelevant. The matter is RECOVERY-PERCENTAGE.

    [MORE]

    You do not put any evidence that could support your “99%” recovery assertion. The “best” source’s numbers trash your “99%” figure, as I showed in my earlier comment replying to yours.

    If you read all my comments here and under Mike Whitney’s article (cited in some of my comments here), you will see I argue that “Covid-19″ is a hoax — either:

    (a) an outright hoax, in that the virus does not exist or its alleged effects are nonexistent or statistically insignificant if not of infinitesimally minute frequency-distribution

    or

    (b) a hoax in that all or most “SARS-CoV-2” detection is actually detection of some pathogen, disease, or mortality-cause other than a virus called “SARS CoV-2” or a viral “infection” or “syndrome” called “Covid-19.”

    All the putative “Covid-19” statistics are bogus.

    But one must not assert an unsupported 99% recovery rate to show the statistics are bogus.

  359. This issue was raised upthreads

    “Why would agencies repeatedly stage simulations at real atrocities?”

    [MORE]

    Because thereby they signal to the complicit media and influential parts of the establishment that the situation is under their control and that the outcome is wanted despite appearances in the present case, since it opens the door to large scale transformations of society in terms of IT.

    Economic depression with less trade may be good for the climate and environment.
    And for depopulation, also much desired by the elites.

    Without any hints to the establishment layer intel bosses and politicians would be attacked by the media and be sacked.
    Sometimes they take a step further and prepare the important parts of the audience urging them to play along without ever being too explicit.

    The british did that a few months before 7/7 in 2005, and the program Panorama was used to give a hint about in advance.

    An example of seemingly real atrocities which actually are simulations.
    Queen Victoria was attacked by gunmen belonging to Young England on some occasions but the guns were not loaded with bullits. The queen was informed afterwards about this circumstance.

    In that particular case there was a background where Palmerston had a large number of stooges belonging to Young Europe and starting unrest all over the continent.

    Clearly the attacks at home may not have been seen as harmless simulations by outsiders, hence giving the false impression that England, the actual origin of all the unrest, would be no different from other nations, all being targeted by spontaneous popular revolts..

  360. @Polemos

    I think you may have helped spring the two headed mythical monster (one of whose heads connects to hands which do not type well on its own claim) as a couple of people having clever trolling fun. I haven’t time now to research that hypothesis but will try to watch for further evidence. Imagine a couple of grad students now saying that it was fun while it lasted seeing who would take the bait and now arguing whether to try and give it another kick along with Russian or Chinese standard indignation at this affront.😎

  361. @Mark Hunter

    Nor should we lightly dismiss the idea that Europe’s mainstream press is as Pravda-like as America’s.

    ’nuff said.

  362. utu says:
    @utu

    Weaponized Health Communication: Twitter Bots and Russian Trolls Amplify the Vaccine Debate (2018)
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6137759/

    Methods. We compared bots’ to average users’ rates of vaccine-relevant messages, which we collected online from July 2014 through September 2017. We estimated the likelihood that users were bots, comparing proportions of polarized and antivaccine tweets across user types. We conducted a content analysis of a Twitter hashtag associated with Russian troll activity.

    Conclusions. Whereas bots that spread malware and unsolicited content disseminated antivaccine messages, Russian trolls promoted discord. Accounts masquerading as legitimate users create false equivalency, eroding public consensus on vaccination.

    a Twitter hashtag designed to promote discord using vaccination as a political wedge issue. #VaccinateUS tweets were uniquely identified with Russian troll accounts linked to the Internet Research Agency—a company backed by the Russian government specializing in online influence operations.20 Thus, health communications have become “weaponized”: public health issues, such as vaccination, are included in attempts to spread misinformation and disinformation by foreign powers.

    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
  363. @utu

    Yes the usg is a great source for objective information about Russia – giggle.

    And dont mention Cias cyberwar units and the trojans they can use for the purpose.
    Which they did employing wikileaks computers to put such trojans on chinese computers and then running apparent ‘chinese’ cyberwar made in america.

  364. @Polemos

    I’m disappointed to tell you that I have traced what might have been our very own mythical monster to a blog comment under the same name in much the same style over 10 years ago. The same sense of humour is evident. He describes himself as “a humble [sic] law professor”.

    I don’t think his supposed desire to avoid being identified would be difficult to disappoint. But then I think that word “humble” might signal quite well that he would be quite chuffed if some humble UR reader were to do the work needed to doxx him.

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