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Things are getting really bad as the third wave washes over the American landscape:

The Covid-19 epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: Asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.

“We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different from previous years,” says Dr. Stephen Austin, professor and chair of family medicine at the Canned Holler Equus Asinus Medical Center in Palo Alto, California. “I’ve been in practice for 30 years, and it’s been decades since I’ve seen a scenario like the one we’re experiencing now.”

Austin says his hospital is “managing, but just barely,” at keeping up with the increased number of sick patients in the last three weeks. The hospital’s urgent-care centers have also been inundated, and its outpatient clinics have no appointments available.

The story is similar in Alabama, which is under a state of emergency like so many other states are. Dr. Edward Guerrero, associate professor of infectious diseases at the Victor Center of Swindling Therapeutics, says that VCST cancelled elective surgeries scheduled for Thursday and Friday of last week to make more beds available to Covid-19 patients.

“We had to treat patients in places where we normally wouldn’t, like in recovery rooms,” says Guerrero. “The emergency room was very crowded, both with sick patients who needed to be admitted.”

In New York, which has been particularly hard hit by the pandemic, several hospitals have set up large “surge tents” outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat Covid-19 patients. Even then, the NY Times reported this week, emergency departments had standing-room only, and some patients had to be treated in hallways.

The Peaceful Rest Valley Health System east of Tucson set up a similar surge tent in its parking lot on Monday, in response to an increase in patients presenting serious viral illnesses, including Covid-19 but excluding the flu. “We’ve put it into operation a couples times now over the last few days,” said a hospital spokesperson. “I think Tuesday we saw upwards of about 40 people in the tent itself, writhing helplessly on the ground.”

When the wolf comes, few will believe it’s here. Collapsing social trust has dire consequences.

 
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  1. Anon[337] • Disclaimer says:

    That article is from TIME magazine.

    A.E.,
    I like you man, but I wouldn’t trust TIME if they told me it was raining and I could hear the water hitting my roof. I’d look outside and see if they didn’t have a guy using my garden hose to spray the roof first, thus trying to fool me. They are liars my friend.

  2. As bad as rigged PCR testing would have it.

    (p.s. I’m from the only part of East Asia undergoing the “Fourth Wave” or a US-style testing surge which keeps on pumping out a good number of of mostly asymptomatic cases every day. We’ve been in some sort of discriminatory hospitality shutdown since December, with no end in sight – Globalist control running strong!

    Talking “conspiracy theories” leads to social isolation especially when half of the place is Sinophile and half extremely pro-Trump, both of the halves treating the surge as real contagion except for a small [also pro-Trump] minority. Personally I see Trump as who he is, an ignoramus and buffoon)

  3. nebulafox says:

    But be careful: if you don’t vaccinate someone on Cuomo’s approval list, you get a million dollar fine and lose all your licenses. Looks like you are 10x more damned if you vaccinate someone deemed Unworthy by the bureaucracy than if you don’t vaccinate anybody at all.

    Morally obscene, grossly incompetent, or both. Take your pick.

  4. Nodwink says:

    Los Angeles is really bad:

  5. MattinLA says:

    Audacious, you know this is all bullshit, right? No regionwide hospital system is even close to capacity. The opposite, actually. Normal flu season population in hospital and ICU, at most.

    • LOL: JR Ewing
  6. neutral says:

    The fish does not rot from the head, the rot is fundamentally ingrained in American society, everything that emanates from that land is now pure rot. I would not be too concerned if this was just an internal matter, but it aggressively exports the rot to the rest of the word.

    This being the case, I sincerely hope things gets much worse in America, because there is no more deserving people that deserve to suffer than them.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  7. MattinLA says:

    Time Magazine. Of course its a flat out lie. The periods and commas are lies. The spaces between the words are lies!

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @MBlanc46
  8. MEH 0910 says:


    [MORE]

  9. Mark G. says:

    Hospitalizations peaked here in Indiana about a month ago and have dropped 15% since then. Right when we were reaching the peak there were a lot of stories in the local media about how the hospitals were about to be overwhelmed, cases would keep increasing, and we would need to go into a total lockdown to keep that from happening.

    In our case, we never went into the total lockdown and then cases and hospitalizations started slowly dropping. This seems to be a story that is repeating itself around the country in a north to south direction. The coldest state is North Dakota and they peaked and declined first. They were followed by South Dakota. South Dakota got a lot of national media attention because they never locked down, even a partial one. South Dakota had high death rates but many of the most dire predictions made by the media never came to pass.

    It seems like cases just rise when the weather gets cold and then peak about 8 to 12 weeks later no matter whether you have a lockdown or no lockdown. California has had an almost continuous lockdown the whole year and is now having a big increase anyway. You now have the lockdown proponents saying things would have been worse there with no lockdown or they didn’t lock down hard enough because people were “selfish” and didn’t comply with the lockdown. This reminds me of how people used to say the reason communism didn’t work was because people were too selfish. People just weren’t good enough for communism.

    • Replies: @Icy Blast
  10. For the readers/commenters, this excerpt is from a Time Magazine article about the ’17-’18 flu season. Maybe some of you are reading the version where they substituted ’20-’21 for ’17-’18 and COVID-one-niner for flu and kept all the other wording to save on writer’s fees.

    I know, I know, Mr. Epigone had you going, didn’t he? I spoiled it after comment 6 – sorry, A.E. If it makes you feel better, I have no idea what that title is about – never been a fan of Sudoko, word scrambles, or pig Latin(?).

    ..

    Oh, Victor Center of Swindling Therapeutics and that other horse-named hospital gave it away. (I’m pretty good with real Latin.

    • Thanks: Catdog
  11. Now, about that wolf, Robert Hunter paints the picture here:

  12. @MEH 0910

    Here’s the entire article by Nicholas Baker, from New York Magazine, 4 January 2021:

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

    • Replies: @botazefa
  13. Icy Blast says:
    @Mark G.

    South Dakota has never had “high death rates.” Are you smoking crack?

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  14. unit472 says:

    It was unfortunate Trump had such a collection of buffoons and mountebanks in the Federal public health agencies when the CCP virus hit but who would have ever thought in 2020 America these would be the critical posts for his re-election ( which he really won anyway).

    Dr. Fauci may have been a real research scientist back in the early days of AIDS but since then it is clear he has just been collecting a fat paycheck in a do nothing Federal sinecure. To be honest, to this layman, he doesn’t even seem conversant with the ‘science’ anymore. Then we learned that Rod Rosenstein’s sister! is similarly ensconced in a senior position in the Federal Public Health bureaucracy. Deborah Birx seemed reasonably competent but then got caught violating the social distancing rules she was promulgating for everyone else. Way to go Deborah, you won’t be staying on in the Biden Administration as per your hopes. Robert Redfield at CDC seemed in over his head even if he meant well and may have even been doing a good job but he lacked an authoritative presence on TV and, in a crisis, that is important. The Surgeon General Jerome Adams is a particularly unimpressive Affirmative Action clown, now reduced to making PSA on TV and radio because no one takes him seriously.

  15. Mark G. says:
    @Icy Blast

    South Dakota has never had “high death rates.” Are you smoking crack?

    Thank you for your polite and moderate reply. I always enjoy the high level of intellectual discourse in the comment sections here at unz.com.

    I think South Dakota did a good job overall dealing with the epidemic. They considered both the need to protect the elderly and also the need to have younger people live normal lives and have jobs. The unemployment rate in South Dakota is currently 3%, second best in the nation. Kristi Noem is an admirable person who believes in freedom and I would vote for her if she ever ran for president.

    You shouldn’t pretend, though, that South Dakota had low death rates compared to the other states because the statistics are easy to find. You want to make defensible statements you can back up. In a ranking of states by deaths per hundred thousand, South Dakota ranks sixth out of fifty states. The only states that did worse were neighboring North Dakota and four states on the east coast that were hit hard in the Spring when we didn’t know much yet about how to deal with or treat the disease. By comparison, the northern states of Maine and Vermont had one sixth the number of deaths per hundred thousand of South Dakota.

  16. @unit472

    Unit, Is it unfortunate that Mr. Trump had this cast of buffoons and mountebanks (nice phrase), purposeful (calculated and set-up to do harm) or just the way it always works out in every public administration? My money goes on the usual issue of less-competent people working for the government making too much money to ever leave, with too much power to ensure they are never forced out.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
  17. unit472 says:
    @Mark G.

    Yes, North and South Dakota as well as Iowa got hit hard. From a distance it is hard to see why, given that if population density and social distancing are factors, these states should have been more like Vermont and Maine. Then you realize they are big meat exporting states and meat packing seems to be a real risk factor. I recall perusing Texas data and saw a big jump in infections in Potter County. Didn’t know anything about Potter County or even where it was till I learned its better known as Amarillo. Ever see those billboards on I-10 for some steakhouse in Amarillo that if you can eat all their giant steak its Free? Yeah Potter county has a big meatpacking plant.

    There are other oddities about the spread of the CCP virus. Albany, Georgia had a bad outbreak that was traced to a funeral service. West Virginia was the last state to report its initial case but has caught up fast with the rest of the country. Why Tennessee got it so hard and quickly is a mystery to me but it happened. Maine’s isolation seems to be eroding and my guess is Vermont will soon suffer the same fate as next door neighbor New Hampshire which missed out on the earlier waves but is now catching up fast. Only island Hawaii may escape a major increase in cases but at the cost of its tourist industry.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  18. @unit472

    Then you realize they are big meat exporting states and meat packing seems to be a real risk factor.

    Meatpacking is one of the few industries wherein the workers already practice routine sanitation and wear bio-protective PPE as a matter of course, so the whole idea of a virus spreading particular hard through meatpacking plants is passing strange on its face.

    What probably happened instead is that all the Central American meatpackers infected each other in their low income housing where they live 10 to a room, and then they all took the maximum amount of paid time off under the FFCRA, further infecting each other. That’s what exacerbated the meat shortages we saw back in April, and is a perfect example of the unforeseen (but not unforeseeable) consequences of multidimensional governmental incompetence.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  19. When the wolf comes, few will believe it’s here. Collapsing social trust has dire consequences

    I know a respiratory doctor in London who, after very long overworked days on the Covid ward watching people die, gets into the Uber and is immediately met, by the generally Pakistani, Afghan and Bangladeshi drivers, with “so this Covid then, it’s not real is it?”

    She amiably says that it is, from her experience, and, unphased, they ramble on like it is a total fiction. Surreal.

    The fragmentation of society, which has happened for so many reasons, has been very unfriendly to the collective search for truth and the collective endeavour to ground ourselves in reality.

    Covid is by now an extremely easily verifiable phenomena and yet there is so little trust that anyone with influence even attempts to speak the truth that you have huge proportions disbelieving what is as close to a matte of fact as anything in this world.

    The Uber drivers are utterly wrong and yet who can blame them…

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Dumbo
  20. Collapsing social trust has dire consequences.

    I wish that something could be done to stop the social-trust collapse. There are few things I wish more.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @iffen
    , @Neuday
  21. Realist says:

    The Covid sham marches on…with the acquiescence of dumbass Americans.

  22. @Mark G.

    Thank you for your polite and moderate reply. I always enjoy the high level of intellectual discourse in the comment sections here at unz.com.

    The blog’s comment column is pushing the envelope of Dunbar’s number.

  23. Realist says:
    @Mark G.

    The deaths attributed to Covid should be taken with a very small grain of salt. Hospitals are paid a very handsome fee to handle Covid cases in comparison to other medical issues. The cases of flu and pneumonia in 2020 were almost nonexistent. The Covid pandemic was a sham, in an effort to curtail the freedom of Americans. This was another step in the, almost complete, subjugation of the American people.

    As always avarice rules.

  24. A123 says:
    @MEH 0910

    You are correct.

    Everyone serious accepts that WUHAN-19 escaped from a CCP bioweapon virus laboratory.
    ___

    The over reaction to this virus is so extreme that even CNN sees issues: (1)

    A US Navy hospital ship currently docked in New York City harbor is treating only 22 patients as of Friday afternoon, despite having a 1,000 bed capacity to treat non-coronavirus patients, according to a US Navy official.

    I think the USS Comfort treated less than 100 people before it left NYC.

    The initial over-enthusiastic response might have been justifiable on a “better safe than sorry” mindset. However, the ongoing histrionics are not supported by the science.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/navy-hospital-ship-comfort-new-york-coronavirus/index.html

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  25. @neutral

    We American readers should note how hated our country is abroad:

    … I sincerely hope things gets much worse in America, because there is no more deserving people that deserve to suffer than them.

    The hatred is all right up to a point, for a self-respecting great nation should spurn the love of foreigners; but a restoration of old-fashioned American isolationism would simplify Americans’ lives and do the United States good.

    Off topic: have readers noticed that the U.S. Senate has seated Democrat Gary Peters of Michigan without objection?

    If Donald Trump and his Congressional supporters were serious about contesting the presidential election Wednesday, they would presumably have contested the seating of Peters Sunday. Since they didn’t, I tend to conclude that they aren’t.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  26. Judging by the other comments I think I’m the only one who actually clicked the link to the original article. There are more people missing the joke here than there are dying of covid.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  27. nebulafox says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    >I wish that something could be done to stop the social-trust collapse.

    Wholesale elite replacement is necessary, if not sufficient.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  28. @Nodwink

    So, LA County EMS have decided to become a death panel.

    Meanwhile, here are stats from a state with beaucoup senior citizens that nevertheless remains quite open for business, Florida:

    • Replies: @A123
  29. @MattinLA

    I’m a retired epidemiologist. The strain on medical facilities is no worse now than it has been in past years of heavy flu outbreaks. The difference is that the current reporting is based solely on overcrowded ERs and ICUs. Other parts of many hospitals are very much under-utilized right now. I’ve determined that to be the case in at least one instance by a personal visit to my local hospital, an affiliate of the Harvard University Medical School. On-line videos of bored nurses and other hospital staff performing impromptu conga lines and other selfie videos on YouTube suggests that this a far from unique situation.

    The most rational policy for freeing up hospital ICU and ER beds and dealing with this pandemic would be to set up separate ad hoc medical facilities for dealing with all persons who present with Covid-19 symptoms and quarantining such persons in these facilities. This has been the usual extreme measure for dealing with pandemics like the current one. It worked well in the past, it could have worked well in 2020, and it could still work well if given a chance. Unfortunately our current political, public health, medical, and pharmaceutical establishments are too panicked and/or incompetent, and/or grasping for power and wealth to do the right thing.

    Looking at reports of deaths by cause right now, it seems like flu deaths are way down from their usual numbers. This is unlikely. It’s more likely that these missing flu deaths have been improperly reported as due to Covid-19.

    There are excess deaths right now. A lot of these are due to Covid-19. Many others are deaths caused by the Rona Panic lockdowns, e.g. suicides, drug ODs, deaths caused by deferred or delayed medical treatment. Making allowances for these deaths and flu deaths mis-coded as being the result of Covid-19, it seems that the numbers of excess deaths, which are likely due to Covid-19, are about the same order of magnitude as the deaths from the Hong Kong Flu, back during the 1968 Hong Kong Flu pandemic.

    It’s worth remembering that this country and the world got through that pandemic just fine without any panic or excessive restrictions on individual rights and liberties.

  30. @unit472

    Dr. Fauci may have been a real research scientist back in the early days of AIDS

    Fauci was the same professionally incompetent, political hack back then as he is now. He was projecting millions if not tens of millions of AIDS/HIV deaths in the general population at a time when it was already becoming established that the disease was transmitted almost entirely through the exchange of semen and blood via homosexual sex acts and transfusions or injections. I headed up a team that built a much more accurate projection of future AIDS/HIV cases for the federal Health Care Finance Administration (eliminated in a bureaucratic shuffle since then). Our projections were more accurate than Fauci’s by over an order of magnitude.

  31. @Intelligent Dasein

    I believe that you are absolutely correct in every particular. I suspect that many heavy outbreaks will eventually be traced to the concentration of Indio immigrants from south of the border. Those with ancestral roots in aboriginal American populations seem particularly susceptible to Covid-19 as a result of a SARS-COV-2 infection.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  32. A123 says:
    @The Alarmist

    Florida has fully grasped the fact that those over 65 with related pre-existing conditions are where the deaths are coming from. Their plan specifically goes after this vulnerability: (1)

    Governor Ron DeSantis provided an update on Florida’s COVID-19 vaccine distribution plan, including details on the state’s initial allocation of 179,400 doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

    So, we’ve set priorities to help protect our most vulnerable as well as those on the front lines of the pandemic.

    Our top priority is residents of long-term care facilities. They are at the greatest risk and this vaccine could have a positive impact on them, not just protecting them from COVID, but allowing them to return to a more normal life.

    Also, a top priority is health care workers who are in high risk and high contact environments. And those initial two priorities will be the focus of the 179,000 doses that we have initially received from the federal government.

    This is not hard to figure out. Unfortunately, SJW’s are Science Deniers resulting in Blue State carnage.

    If anyone wants to play statistical jiggery-pokery, graph “Wind Power” vs. “COVID Death Rate”. I bet it will correlate nicely.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.flgov.com/2020/12/10/governor-ron-desantis-provides-update-on-covid-19-vaccine-distribution-plan-2/

    • Replies: @unit472
  33. When the wolf comes, few will believe it’s here.

    When a Real epidemic comes along, there will be no doubt about it whatsoever. They’ll be hauling the bodies away in trucks for disposal in mass graves.

  34. Thomasina says:
    @Nodwink

    “LA County EMS has directed ambulance crews not to transport patients with little chance of survival to hospitals, and to conserve the use of oxygen.”

    No kidding. These people are seriously ill. Their bodies are in a cytokine storm. What the hell is oxygen going to do for them at this point? Go ahead, shove a vent down their throats, and then pull a white sheet over their heads while you’re at it.

    The authorities, while perfectly cheap, over-the-counter medications have been available (and they’ve known about them for at least seven months) have discredited these life-saving medications.

    They should be personally held responsible for the deaths of thousands and thousands of grandmothers and grandfathers.

    This is MURDER.

    • Replies: @botazefa
  35. @A123

    No, no, no, Fort Detrick, dammit, Fort Fucking Detrick! [/Unz]

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @A123
  36. nebulafox says:
    @unit472

    Nobody forced Trump to keep Fauci employed.

    The truth is that both men are inveterate liars and media hounds, so both benefited from the other. They could posture and blame the other guy while they could be as irresponsible as they liked, and their fans would excuse them and just blame the other guy with them.

  37. unit472 says:
    @A123

    25% of the population of Florida is 65+. Throw in the diabetics, the obese, asthmatic and those with hypertension you could be talking 50% of the population at high risk from covid. That’s over 10 million people. The gimcrack vaccines that are on offer have no shelf life and production rates are so low it will take a year or more to vaccinate just the high risk populations.

    Meanwhile 100+ are dying every day with 10-15,000 new ‘cases’. I don’t worry about the ‘cases’ too much as its the hospitalizations that matter but the death toll is going to be a problem absent some relief.

    They need to break out the HCQ, ivermectin and Vitamin D to those left unvaccinated.

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Dumbo
  38. @unit472

    … but the death toll is going to be a problem absent some relief.

    At some point the virus runs out of low hanging fruit.

    In 2019, roughly 600 Floridians died each day from a variety of causes, many of which were age-related, but, oddly enough, aside from things like accidents, Floridians had better rates than the national average in a number of categories one would think applies to old folks. Seems that Sunshine State living can be good for you, though the rates for liver disease were a bit worse than the national average.

  39. @Achmed E. Newman

    Unfortunately not named after a Confederate, so no convenient reason to change is name.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  40. Dr. Doom says:

    Diversity hit hardest. What’s not to love?

    Thank you Corona-Chan!

    This overblown wolf calling will bring a real wolf eventually.

  41. A123 says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Has the CCP named their Wuhan Bioweapon Virus laboratory “Fort Detrick”?

    As maskirovka goes, that would be clever. It does not take that much to confuse Fake Stream Media propaganda outlets like CNN and MSNBC.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  42. botazefa says:
    @for-the-record

    Thanks. Skimmed the article.

    What interests me more than the analysis is that it appeared in NYMag, which I associate with Ezra Klein now at Vox. Vox, and Ezra, are woke clickbait platforms.

    Putting on my paranoid hat, I wonder why NYMag’s Daily Intelligencer is running what has previously been called a right wing conspiracy theory.

    When the oligarchy’s media starts running stories about viruses originating in China, one wonders what the Deep State is up to. Are they interested in War with China?

  43. @A123

    Well, A123, you may not have gotten my jab … [looks around to see if the big man’s anywhere nearby] … good, … I was referring to the proprietor of this site’s theory. Hey, in general he’s got some good insight and an open mind, but that one is all circumstantial speculation. I can’t prove a thing, but my common sense tells me this bug came via accidental release out of that Wuhan lab. I know from experience with manufacturers themselves that that old Ford “Quality is Job One” motto does not apply in the mainland of China.

    • LOL: A123
  44. @The Alarmist

    Hey, Major Detrick was White man, and that is absolutely NOT OK.

  45. botazefa says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    If it’s mainly ER’s getting overcrowded, could the cause be that some people do not know any alternative? It seems like there are a lot of poor people who get their primary medical services in ERs. Why? Because they are guaranteed to see a doctor and aren’t required to pay.

    Lots and lots of people with minor sniffles and a major fear of Rona could be what is overwhelming the ERs.

    As for the ICUs, I recall from past healthcare experience that the hospital administration tries to keep those beds filled at all times.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  46. botazefa says:
    @Thomasina

    All that those two orders say is:

    1) Refrain from giving oxygen if O2 sat is >90%

    reasonable

    2) Don’t transport dead people getting CPR to the hospital

    unfortunate, but reasonable

  47. Dumbo says:

    It’s all a freaking lie… I think we are now officially living in the matrix or something… or in the “They Live” universe…

    “Restrictions are freedom”… “The government love you…”

  48. iffen says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I wish that something could be done to stop the social-trust collapse. There are few things I wish more.

    It’s the only path to meaningful changes, otherwise we just continue the D & F.

  49. Dumbo says:

    It’s almost like we are in a Global Soviet Union right now…

    In Germany people are now forbidden of meeting with “more than one person of a different household” and to “travel more than 15 km without a good reason”…

    I think not even in Nazi Germany they had insane laws like that… Well maybe in the Jewish Ghettos LOL… We are all Jews now, I suppose…

    And in other countries, believe it, it is worse… There are curfews and fines…

    Lockdowns and forced vaccinations… With an untested vaccine…

    And even here at Unz Review you have insane idiots like Anatoly Karlin who push exactly the same hysteric panic “pandemic” media narrative… And think that they are “alternative information”somehow…

    What a fraud!!!

    How did we get into this mess? How will we go out?

    We are at a point where there are ‘transgender’ authorities like “Rachel” Levine telling you to wear a mask and stay home, telling you that 2 + 2 = 5. And you believe them? Why???

  50. Dumbo says:
    @unit472

    There are no “cases”… It’s all a lie…

    The vaccine has not been tested. It is being tested now, “live”.

    https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/

    And it’s pointless because it won’t solve anything and the disease doesn’t require a vaccine since it is not usually fatal, and in any case this vaccine does not reduce the spread of infections, only (supposedly) the symptoms.

    (Also, what is the Plan B if the vaccine fails? Is there a Plan B? Or just lockdowns forever?)

    I thought UR was a space for “alternative news”?

    Why are people repeating here the same lies of the media?

  51. Mark G. says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I believe that you are absolutely correct in every particular. I suspect that many heavy outbreaks will eventually be traced to the concentration of Indio immigrants from south of the border. Those with ancestral roots in aboriginal American populations seem particularly susceptible to Covid-19 as a result of a SARS-COV-2 infection.

    Indian reservations in South Dakota also had high case rates. So whatever advantage South Dakota had from a low population density was probably more than offset by the high number of cases related to the Indio population, both the immigrants working in the meat processing plants and the natives living on reservations. The low population density is itself somewhat deceptive, since most people there live in the eastern flatter part of the state. Where South Dakotans actually live, the population density is higher.

    Since South Dakota never locked down, you can probably get an estimate of what total deaths in the U.S. would have been if the U.S. as a whole had never locked down. If you take the deaths per hundred thousand in South Dakota and apply it to the U.S. as a whole you come up with about 480 thousand deaths with no lockdowns. This is about 120 thousand more than the actual total with lockdowns. When the epidemic began, lockdown proponents were estimating millions of deaths in the U.S. if we didn’t lock down. For example, the Imperial College model estimated two million U.S. deaths with no lockdowns. If we take the 480 thousand as a more realistic number, lockdown proponents were estimating deaths as being four times that.

    Sweden was the only European country to not lock down. A team at Uppsala university used the Imperial College model to estimate 40 thousand deaths in Sweden with no lockdown. The actual number with no lockdown ended up being 9 thousand, so here too lockdown proponents estimated the number of deaths with no lockdown to be four times higher than the actual total.

    • Agree: Jus' Sayin'...
    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  52. MEH 0910 says:
    @Nodwink

  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    Honestly?  I hovered over the link to see if it was from The Onion or some other gag site, then I clicked through to see what the original said.  No real surprise.

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  54. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

  55. @botazefa

    I agree. IIRC, hospitals receive extra federal money for the Covid-19 cases they treat. I’d be amazed if hospitals don’t game the system by slipping some patients misdiagnosed with Covid-19 into any available empty bed.

    BTW, several years ago there was a large outbreak of seasonal flu in my neighborhood. I had a scheduled surgery at the time. Typically, after a few hours under observation in a post-op bed, I would been sent to another ward and might even have gone home that same evening. Instead the hospital was so overwhelmed with flu cases that I wound up spending over twelve hours in post-op and only got a bed late that night. This caused some complications and I wound up staying in the hospital a day and a half longer than was planned.

    Outbreaks of respiratory illneses like flu can put major strains on hospital resources. Covid-19 isn’t exceptional in this regard.

  56. @Mr. Rational

    Mr. Rational, I don’t normally click the external links period just due to time constraints. (I usually would just rather read the bloggers’ and commenter’s takes.) If I’m thinking of clicking, I also hover over it to make sure it’s not the NY Times or yahoo or their ilk. The link up top doesn’t tell you when/where, but knowing that Mr. AE here has not fallen for the Panickfest like others I could name, I got curious and clicked.

    I’m not sure if you saw it, due to your writing “honestly”, but yeah, read the thing. They are writing about the ’17-’18 flu season in that article and, of course, AE’s excerpt. From seeing the comments here, I’m wondering if anyone else clicked or if they just all have me on “ignore” – hey, to each his own, I’m not sore – for some, cough, Mr. iDeplorable, cough, cough .. I strongly suggest it!

    AE was making a point by excerpting the old article. Now, if someone could tell me WTH the title means…

  57. @Mark G.

    Back around May when we were finally getting some decent data I did a back of the envelope calculation as to how many deaths from SASR-COV-2/Covid-19 the USA might expect allowing the pandemic to burn through the population until herd immunity was reached. Back then I estimated some 600,000 t0 1,000,000 excess deaths if this laissez faire policy were adopted. My assumptions back then were unduly pessimistic so I suspect these estimates were too high, perhaps by a factor of as much as two.

    I’m leaning towards the opinion that a policy of complete indifference to SARS-COV-2/Covid-19 might have led to about the same deaths from Covid-19 as we’ve actually experienced. In addition, we would have avoided much of the economic, social, and political chaos created by the Rona Panic lock downs, as well as the scores of thousands of deaths directly due to these lock downs, e.g. many suicides, drug OD deaths, deaths from foregone medical treatment etc.

    Some day schools of public policy will use the Rona Panic as a case study of every possible blunder politicians, policy makers, and public health officials can make when dealing with a moderately serious epidemic.

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  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    We American readers should note how hated our country is abroad:

    … I sincerely hope things gets much worse in America, because there is no more deserving people that deserve to suffer than them.

    The hatred is all right up to a point, for a self-respecting great nation should spurn the love of foreigners; but a restoration of old-fashioned American isolationism would simplify Americans’ lives and do the United States good.

    If Americans want to wreck their own country that’s their business. I think it’s sad and tragic that so many Americans (on both the left and the right) seem to want to destroy their own country.

    All I ask is that the United States stop trying to wreck the rest of the world as well.

    I’d love to see old-fashioned American isolationism and I agree that in the long run it would be good for Americans and good for everybody else.

    • Replies: @iffen
  59. @Magic Dirt Resident

    I’d do an [Agree] too, if I could. My [LOL] was for your 2nd sentence. Re: the first sentence, sorry I’d missed your comment when I wrote my other one.

  60. @Jus' Sayin'...

    The blunder is all on the American people, J.S. They didn’t have to follow, follow every stupid piece of hysterical Infotainment and follow the instructions of these “leaders”. The American people encourage this behavior on the part of these public officials by paying attention and by complying like lemmings.

    I like your comment, but just sayin’…

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  61. MBlanc46 says:
    @MattinLA

    I’ll be using that, thanks very much.

  62. Neuday says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I wish that something could be done to stop the social-trust collapse. There are few things I wish more.

    Diversity is our strength, but also decreases social trust, as Putnam demonstrated. The benefits of diversity far outweigh those of a high-trust society. I think soon we’ll be told that the high-trust society many of us remember was a myth, much like all women were miserable before they could have careers and abortions.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  63. Dumbo says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Covid is by now an extremely easily verifiable phenomena and yet there is so little trust that anyone with influence even attempts to speak the truth that you have huge proportions disbelieving what is as close to a matte of fact as anything in this world.

    The Uber drivers are utterly wrong and yet who can blame them…

    No. The Uber drivers are right and you and the “respiratory doctor” are wrong. The West is dying of stupidity.

    I saw the other day an interesting scene… A little Arab or Persian market… Everything else was closed for New Year (or perhaps because of Covid regulations) but they were open and working… The swarthy workers were not wearing masks, and laughing. The customers (mostly white) all wearing masks and keeping “social distance” and serious…. And I thought, we are doomed…

    Who has more chance to survive, the Arabs/Persians or the pussified white people, afraid of an “invisible enemy” and obeying all rules…

    Arabs and Indians are not completely stupid. They come from “shithole countries” (as Trump said, perhaps not knowing that America is also fast turning into one) and they can certainly know a real pandemic when there is one. But this is not one that is an “easily verifiable phenomena”, at least if you ignore the media and just look at what’s in front of your eyes.

    I mean if this was a real pandemic we would see people dying in the streets… Each family losing a loved one… Lots of people getting visibly sick… But you don’t see any of that… You see only media created panic, and “cases” being alarmed by the media… And “asymptomatic cases”…. But in practice, what else? I had a few acquaintances that have “Covid” (or so it is said, by an unreliable test) but they got cured after a few days without the need to even go to the hospital… “Like the flu, bro”… And then of course there were a few 70- or 80 year-olds dying, but then when did they not…?

    It’s not even the flu (because the flu has strangely disappeared this year)… There is “something” called Covid, alright… But what it is exactly is anyone’s guess… And it’s clear that “lockdowns” are not a solution for it and only make things ten thousand times worse. And yet the Powers That Be are doubling down on that…

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
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  64. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    Aah, Samson can’t get love even from longtime allies.

  65. Dr. Doom says:

    The more the experts chime in the less credibility they have.

    Fauci is a pompous twit that has missed every prediction so far.

    I’m not even sure that these AA hires are even qualified to practice medicine.

    However, the fatalities amongst “diversity” alone makes it all worthwhile.

    Sure some aged folks are dying, but that’s not unusual.

    The Anti-Whites are panicking because their invaders aren’t immune to this.

    The untested vaccine will be given to them first.

    What is the problem? This might be for the best.

    These “lockdowns” will ensure economic collapse and government impotence.

    I’m not seeing much downside from this.

    Like Napoleon said. Don’t interrupt the enemy when he’s making a mistake.

  66. @Dumbo

    Your post is highly confused. I stated that Covid is most certainly real and killing substantial numbers of people, though the threat is way overblown. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

    You say the Uber drivers are right, but they think Covid literally doesn’t exist. They are therefore hopelessly ignorant.

    You also allege that for it to be a “real pandemic” people need to be dying in the streets. Thats’s your definition of “real” I suppose.

    I therefore notice that there is big gap between a fiction and your definition of “real”.

    It is in that gap that literally real Covid exists.

    As for your greater cultural point…perhaps!…certainly there’s a paucity of evidence for masks even inside, and there’s just none at all for wearing them outside.

    Still, ask any respiratory doctor in a Covid hit area. They are receiving an overwhelming number of patients who are presenting with symptoms that make this a very different year to normal. This is just a fact. Why not call up any at random? They will tell you very clearly.

    The two doctors I had dinner with at their house recently certainly know what they are talking about. Nor are they ever going to lie to me. Nor are they prone to hysteria. Yet the strain on them is obvious and painful to see.

    Don’t be a moron and get carried away with a case just because there are many people who are totally carried away in the other direction

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  67. @Achmed E. Newman

    The blunder is all on the American people, J.S. They didn’t have to follow, follow every stupid piece of hysterical Infotainment and follow the instructions of these “leaders”. The American people encourage this behavior on the part of these public officials by paying attention and by complying like lemmings.

    Like you, I have been appalled at how docilely the mass of Americans have accepted a host of restrictions on their freedom and liberty and the obvious lies that “justified” these restrictions. I have been even more appalled at the large numbers of gauleiter wannabes and brown shirt thugs who seem to relish aiding and abetting the current restrictions.

    I probably shouldn’t be shocked. History provides many prior examples: (1) the near universal support of Wilson’s dictatorship during WW I; (2) the willingness to support essentially fascist movements such as Hughie Long’s “every man a king” program; (3) widespread support for the more fascist elements of Roosevelt’s Depression era programs, e.g. the National Recovery Act; (4) acceptance of ever increasing restrictions on freedom and incursions on basic rights, e.g., the so called “War on Drugs” and after 9/11 the PATRIOT ACT.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or weep when I hear those now ironic words in the national anthem, “…the land of the brave and home of the free…”.

  68. Dumbo says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    I stated that Covid is most certainly real and killing substantial numbers of people, though the threat is way overblown. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

    I’m disagreeing, obviously. Covid is not a big threat and most of us would hardly even notice it if there were no lockdowns, masks and media panic.

    It’s not killing “substantial” numbers of people, it’s killing more or less like a flu, but strangely enough the media usually doesn’t count how many people die of a flue each year, nor is there any great panic about it. Just part of life in wintertime.

    It is not even clear if the people who are dying are dying of “Covid”, “with Covid”, or if it’s just “attributed to Covid”.

    I won’t discuss the rest of your comment, but, did you have dinner with the doctors at their house? With or without masks? How many people were present? I am afraid this might be against current regulations in some places. See what I’m saying?

    But somehow, I’m the hysterical one for just wanting life to be normal and to stop hearing about this stupid corona thing.

    • Agree: Intelligent Dasein
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  69. @Neuday

    The benefits of diversity far outweigh those of a high-trust society.

    Diversity might benefit the diverse, but it does not benefit me.

  70. @Dumbo

    In your comprehension, reasoning ability and understanding of the world, you truly deserve the name Dumbo.

    But somehow, I’m the hysterical one for just wanting life to be normal and to stop hearing about this stupid corona thing

    Yes, being unable to differentiate reality from how you momentarily feel it should be is a satisfyingly workable definition of hysteria

    Amazing 😂

    • Troll: Dumbo
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  71. Dumbo says:

    It’s not “how I feel”, retard – It’s what’s happening.

    If you find it “normal” that governments can now tell you how many people you can have in your home or even if you can leave it, or where you can or cannot go (as they do in California now), with the excuse of a “virus”, then I’m really sorry for you.

    Enjoy the “new normal”, dickhead.

  72. Dumbo says:
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Enjoy the new microchip in your rectum.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  73. Dumbo says:

    This Chinese study shows that asymptomatic transmission is ZERO, therefore lockdowns and masking of millions of healthy people with no symptoms is shown now as what it seemed to be, bollocks, or a myth to scare people – and an abuse of authority.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

  74. @Dumbo

    Ha! They’re not gonna make it that easy.

  75. @MattinLA

    While this post gave me pleasure to write, I feel a little dirty having written it because it takes advantage of readers’ trust. Now that it has been up for several days, note that the source article is from 2018 with instances of flu replaced with instances of Covid (and names of actual doctors replaced with names of doctors and old video games).

  76. @Achmed E. Newman

    Fenrir is a mythical wolf, yowling is more or less a synonym for crying out.

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