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As America becomes less culturally and ancestrally Western, the orientation of the country’s foreign policy will correspondingly move away from the West and towards the rest:

Zoomers and millennials are modestly less favorably inclined towards Western leaders than older generations. And they’re much less hostile towards putatively authoritarian–putatively because Ontario, Canada is locked down harder than just about anywhere else on the planet at the moment–non-Western countries than their elders are.

The last item on the x-axis shows the mean favorability advantage the leaders of the four Western countries have over the leaders of the three non-Western countries, by age cohort. The differences are stark. They will manifest substantially in the future, particularly once the boomers pass on.

 
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  1. I am firmly against the replacement of American peoples with immigrants and much prefer a unified continent based on our own confusing ethnic medley: from Mayans to Quebecois.

    Having said that, this is a true blessing. A real, traditional American is friendly with the Tsardom, thinks the Celestials (in China) are something interesting, and that the rest of the world is a fine place to adventure, so long as they aren’t raiding the merchant vessels. We used to be a country that loved the little guy, and supported them AGAINST Europe (bar Perry, and even then, we worked pretty close with Japan after). This whole century-and-20-odd years move to be a proper European power and “bastion” of “Western Civilization” was a bitch move by our long ruling elites and the foolish media. Truly, a cursed timeline. If normality must be restored through dissolution, then so be it.

    Still, I’d prefer we all figure it out before the point of no return (if we haven’t long crossed it), or after it explodes, remake it into a better, more perfect America, as our collective visions keep telling us it was supposed to be.

  2. El Dato says:

    That graph shows Oceania’s internal propaganda addressed to barely informed populace is working greatly.

    Although only the 45+ and later cohorts are fully on-board with NPC upgrades, while the other cohorts don’t care about sheet and stuff.

    There is also a lack of official information on what stance to take relative to Sultan Erdogan.

    Would be interesting to see what they think about Southern America as opposed to such redshifted quasar like Le Macron or La Merkel. Or what about Jewsrael.

  3. More interesting to me is how favorability corresponds between millennials and their parents, the Boomers. And between Gen X and their kids, Gen Z, for western leaders.

  4. UNIT472 says:

    In foreign policy terms the US only has three Allies that matter. The UK, Japan and Australia. Trudeau’s Canada and Arderns New Zealand no longer being reliable. We might add Taiwan, Israel and South Korea but they are not global allies just regional ones who would not join us in a fight outside of their immediate vicinity even though they might provide other support.

    There seems to be bi-partisan recognition that China is the only adversary we really need worry about. Russia is only a threat if it is allied with China so the smartest policy would be to let Putin be and not worry about places like Nagorno Karabekh, the Donbass or the Panjshir Valley. Might be time to recognize Russia’s claim to Crimea so Western cruise ships and airlines can resume tourist visits and tell Ukraine they ain’t joining NATO. Ukraine is too important to Russian security for it to be in a rival military bloc. The last time the West gave a security guarantee to a Eastern European nation with border disputes with its neighbors was Poland in 1939 and that didn’t out so well for Poland or anyone else.

    In return we might ask Putin to keep his distance from China. He’s a wily guy and knows getting too close to China is to risk becoming the dragon’s tail not an independent actor.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  5. Realist says:

    Actually, the chart shows Americans are most favorable to the West.

    Always remember attitudes change with age.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @A123
    , @Rahan
    , @Jay Fink
  6. neutral says:
    @Realist

    Always remember attitudes change with age.

    They also change with race, and that is the main thing happening in America.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Realist
  7. Realist says:
    @neutral

    They also change with race, and that is the main thing happening in America.

    All races change with age.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  8. Anonymous[277] • Disclaimer says:

    This is peak AE – verbal stylings on statist push-polls with no scrutiny of the propaganda premises.

    Brainwashing artifact 1: Who in their right mind thinks public opinion has anything to do with US foreign policy?

    In ’03, 71% of US respondents wanted UN approval for US use of force. 81% wanted to strengthen the UN. Remember what a relief it was when the CIA impunity regime acceded to the will of the people, and left Iraq alone? Me neither.

    Langley doesn’t give a shit what the public thinks.

    Brainwashing artifact 2: Funny how the polling happens to reinforce Langley’s personalization fetish. They feed you a popularity contest for heads of state. What is this, teen vogue?

    Langley uses this for demographic tailoring of its demonization campaigns.

    I know, I know, this is poli sci, and you’re shit through a goose if you deviate from the line, but there are substantive polls with grown-up questions pertaining not to heroes and villains but to the established legal and institutional basis of foreign affairs.

    https://worldpublicopinion.net/review-of-polling-finds-international-and-american-support-for-world-order-based-on-international-law-stronger-un/

  9. I’m not sure Justin Trudeau and Angela Merkel can really be counted as exponents of the “West”. Personally I would count them as hostile traitors within the West’s walls, and mark them “unfavorable” because of their anti-Western actions. Johnson and Macron are more ambiguous cases; I could entertain arguments either way.

    If you really want to gauge pro-Western sentiment by proxy of Western heads of state, it would be better to look at, say, Trump or Salvini, notwithstanding that neither is head of state right now. Heck even Shinzo Abe is more pro-Western than the putative Western leaders are. Most of the West is run by overt traitors.

    Of the seven named heads of state in the survey, I would argue that Putin is in fact the most pro-Western, however blind current Western leaders and media are to the fact. By coincidence, Putin also has the steepest young-vs.-old opinion differential. Since it is steeper than the differential for Xi or Erdogan, that suggests that this isn’t just the increasing foreignness and apathy of the later generations, but includes some based youth who recognize that Putin is about as good as it gets on the world stage nowadays.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund, Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @dfordoom
  10. dfordoom says: • Website
    @UNIT472

    In foreign policy terms the US only has three Allies that matter. The UK, Japan and Australia.

    You can rely on the UK and Australia to keep grovelling forever. There’s always the very slight chance the Japanese might develop some backbone.

  11. Catdog says:

    Framing this in terms of west vs non-west is a weird framing. What I see is that zoomers are much less hostile to nationalistic leaders and less favorable to cucks than the fossils are.

  12. Youth Will Move America Away from West and Towards the Rest

    I say:

    “The West Is The Best; Get Here And We’ll Do The Rest” from admiral’s son Jim Morrison and The Doors has some rather irritating and ominous demographical overtones and that baby boomer sonofabitch Morrison had a decent voice and the musicianship wasn’t too shabby but the FOREIGNER INUNDATION and WHITE REPLACEMENT and WHITE GENOCIDE insinuations of that song fit the baby boomer scumbags to perfection.

    Now, Jim Morrison might have been warbling on about California as the West and his exhortation to get there might have been aimed at other citizens of the USA, but who knows?

    How about dead Harvard Muthaphucka Sam Huntington and his questions for us and the national identity of the USA?

    Sam Huntington Questions:

    WHO ARE WE AS A NATION?

    WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR AS A NATION?

    The formation of foreign policy starts with the ancestral national identity of the USA and that is why dirtbag filth like George W Bush and Biden and Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris and the Neo-Conservatives and the US Chamber of Commerce and the Ruling Class always are vague and hazy and abstract about their conception of the national identity of the USA and the ancestral origins of the USA.

    I wrote this in February of 2017:

    It’s too bad Samuel Huntington, the author of the book — Who Are We? The Challenges To America’s National Identity — is no longer among the living. Huntington wrote that the United States is a British Protestant settler nation-state. Huntington would have provided some nice pushback to the notion that America has no fixed founding stock.

    I would say that America is a European Christian nation-state.

    The ruling class of the American Empire insists that the USA is a multicultural proposition region.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/the-zeroth-amendment/#comment-1748476

  13. Wency says:

    An alternative interpretation here is that the youth just don’t care much one way or the other about foreign policy, but they still agree with the Boomers directionally on who the bad guys are. How much of this is age, and how much is generational?

    From my own anecdotes, it does seem something generational is happening. The Cold War generations — Silents, Boomers, Xers — grew up caring a lot about foreign policy. My Boomer mother is reasonably intelligent though definitely not well-read on foreign policy, but she worries about Russia and China. And I’m pretty sure she spent her whole adult life worrying about the Soviets right up until 1991.

    I married a gal that I think is cognitively somewhat similar to my mother, and she spends approximately 0 minutes per year worrying about bad guys in other countries. And I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone of my generation or the Zoomers express fears about other countries and their bad guys. It’s always older people, and it doesn’t feel like they just started worrying about this stuff when they got old.

    • Replies: @Daniel H
    , @dfordoom
  14. White Core Americans Born After 1965 Will Topple The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire And They Will Do It By Deploying The OVERLOAD STRATEGY of Mass Debt Repudiation and Global Financial Implosion.

    The Federal Reserve Bank is a GLOBAL ORGANIZED CRIME SYNDICATE owned and controlled by evil money-grubbing plutocrat scumbags and these Federal Reserve Bank Ruling Class Criminal Scumbags are using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as weapons to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    I wrote this in December of 2017:

    The baby boomers would have been financially liquidated with no chance of recovery if the Federal Reserve Bank had not bailed them out after the 2007-2008 global financial implosion. Their real estate holdings — residential and commercial, their stock and bond holdings and their pensions would have been vaporized. The decade-long monetary extremism exertions of the Fed has been for the benefit of the baby boomers.

    This point must be stressed over and over again in a political campaign. There is no baby boomer with any decency or honor who would say any different. This has been a globalized phenomenon where older voters are bribed to keep their mouths shut while the young are getting ready to heave the debt repudiation monkey wrench into the gears of the globalized central bank death spiral machine.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/weinsteingate-viagra/#comment-2128106

  15. There Are Too Many Foreigners Involved In The Formation Of Foreign Policy For The American Empire.

    None But Americans On Watch Tonight — General George Washington

    Let the Germans and the South Koreans and the Japanese and the Australians have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them and go OFFSHORE REGIONAL BALANCER with a strict interpretation of US national interests guiding the decision to intervene in any more foreign war.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class is flooding foreigners into the USA and Mass Immigration Extremist Trump and the Republican Party donors and Republican Party politician scumbags like McConnell and McCarthy and Rick Scott and Tom Emmer all are pushing mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    Raise the Federal Funds Rate To 6 Percent And Implode The Asset Bubbles Now!

    Financially Liquidate All Americans Born Before 1965 Immediately!

    Monetary Policy Is Ignored While Tax Policy Is Endlessly Debated And Yellen And Powell Are Laughing Their Asses Off About It.

    Let Us Debate Both Tax Policy AND Monetary Policy! DAMMIT!

    More modest proposals from February 2020:

    Explicit White Identity Politics will upend the American Empire and restore the USA to its rightful inheritor: American European Christians.

    To achieve this, most White Americans born before 1965 will have to be financially liquidated. This can be accomplished in ten minutes by raising the federal funds rate to 6 percent and stopping all the repo market madness and quantitative easing and Fed balance sheet expansion and dollar swaps and all the other monetary extremism crud that is keeping the asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate inflated.

    Trump is the last of the baby boomer politician whores of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire to scream about how great central banker shysterism is. White Americans born after 1965 see the rigged monetary extremism game that benefits globalized billionaires and baby boomers and other people born before 1965, and they are about to pull the plug on civilizationally destructive monetary extremism.

    Remember, the baby boomers were bought off with monetary extremism and three big asset bubbles to keep their greedy mouths shut about nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. The ECB has done the same thing in the eurozone and the Chinese and the Japanese have made central banker shysterism a big hit for their plutocrats and money-grubber geezers too.

    American politics — and global politics — are all about demography and debt — mass legal immigration/mass illegal immigration and monetary policy.

    If a politician is not talking about monetary policy and demography, stop listening to them.

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/bloombergs-blacks/#comment-3715793

  16. A123 says: • Website
    @Realist

    Always remember attitudes change with age.

    Moving away from Liberalism is driven by life events. It sounds cool when you are young, then you start paying Income Taxes. Wealth redistribution is much less appealing when you are the source not the recipient.

    The CCP’s attempt to escape blame for the WUHAN-19 virus is collapsing. Given the number of young people whose lives have been disrupted, there is a huge impending negative for Xi Jinping that has not landed yet.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @John Johnson
  17. 🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝🔝

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  18. @Realist

    Excellent point. I wonder if AE might not break out whether older Indians are more or less pro-West than Whites are? What about older African-Americans versus younger Indians?

    My guess is older Indian Americans are more pro-America than younger whites. And also than Kamala Harris.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @Twinkie
  19. @Blinky Bill

    Netanyahu will be looking for a job soon. Change the US constitution and run him for President? He would have my vote.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  20. @TomSchmidt

    Excellent point. I wonder if AE might not break out whether older Indians are more or less pro-West than Whites are? What about older African-Americans versus younger Indians?

    I’ve met two Americans from the Indian diaspora who were pro-Modi, but that is because one of them was personally linked to him.

    My impression is that the vast majority of their peers would support Congress. It is the bien pensant choice, just like the Dems are.

    Westerners aren’t special in their urban Middle class trending progressive. It is just that their urban Middle class is big enough to grip the country and dominate the culture. Hindu Americans all seem to be urban Middle class and, unsurprisingly, just 9% lean Republican.

    This is what happens when all-surface, totally shallow people, have the time and resources to pretend that they care about fixing everyone else’s problems.

  21. Rahan says:
    @Realist

    Always remember attitudes change with age.

    Until trad social structures are dismantled.
    You age, you marry your sweetheart, get a steady job, buy a house, have kids, get involved in the local community–this is the life cycle of “becoming a conservative with age”.
    It last functioned in the 1990s, to an extent. After that, it only limps along in a dwindling number of small towns. Now people get older, but remain perpetual adolescents, just on increasing amounts of antidepressants and food stamps.
    The middle age crisis of today is not “I’ll leave my wife and marry a pretty waitress”, but “OMG I was a woman in a male body all along!”
    The cycle has been broken. The tiny new generation of conservatives are conscious dissidents, not products of automatic social processes, not anymore.
    It will take a theoretical generation of normality to get it up and running again.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  22. Twinkie says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Most of the West is run by overt traitors.

    Although I’m sympathetic to your view, I should note that, by this logic, a substantial segment, perhaps even a plurality or a majority, of Westerners are traitors since the likes of Merkel didn’t come to power by force, but were elected or electorally brought to power.

  23. Twinkie says:
    @TomSchmidt

    My guess is older Indian Americans are more pro-America than younger whites.

    There aren’t many older Indian-Americans. As I point out repeatedly, Indian immigration only gained steam in the past couple of decades. Once they were a small fraction of “Asians” in America, but are now close to 25%.

    And Hindus have always identified strongly with the Democrats in the U.S.:

    Older Indians in genera tend to be more socialist (Congress) while younger ones are more Hindu-nationalistic. The diaspora reflects this.

  24. Jay Fink says:
    @Realist

    My guess is we will see less of the normal pattern of becoming conservative with age. Millennials and younger were more indoctrinated than older generations. This is not easily undone.

    • Replies: @Wency
    , @V. K. Ovelund
  25. @Twinkie

    “but were elected or electorally brought to power”

    This might be true if the election systems were free from skullduggery.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  26. @Twinkie

    I should note that, by this logic, a substantial segment, perhaps even a plurality or a majority, of Westerners are traitors

    Well yes, Trudeau and Merkel are hardly alone. But it doesn’t require a vast conspiracy to subvert a polity, even a democratic one, so most Westerners need not be conscious, active traitors. The banal truth is that most voters don’t put any more thought into voting than they do into buying soap, so as long as a candidate checks a few key boxes, he can enter the highest office in the land. For Germans these might be “has inoffensive appearance”, “has dour, technocratic demeanor”, “avoids NSDAP trigger words”: congratulations Frau Merkel, you’re elected. For Canadians, “has winsome, boyish appearance”, “speaks in politically correct bromides”, “is the son of a previous guy”: welcome to Rideau Hall, Justin.

    Obviously, managing and manipulating the superficial perceptions of many people at once has become an important and profitable art in consequence of this.

    In the case of Western polities, they may have an additional vulnerability in that, as others have noted, the Western “Faustian” mind does seem to have a kind of flaw wherein the reaching for the beyond fatally damages the here and now. So even absent malign manipulation, Westerners may have a peculiar vulnerability to “pathological altruism”, “Mrs. Jellyby Syndrome”, or “metaphysical overreach”, or some such.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  27. @Triteleia Laxa

    He already does “have your vote”; who do you think is pulling the strings of your politicians?

    • Agree: Daniel H
    • Troll: Triteleia Laxa
  28. Wency says:
    @Jay Fink

    A big reason is probably just women not getting married. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an unmarried woman’s views turn more conservative with age. With married women, it doesn’t always happen, but it often does. I speculate that having a son has a positive effect here as she starts to wonder about the effects of feminism on her boy. I witnessed this change in a friend’s wife, who at one point I thought was rather feminist, as she was talking about the Kavanaugh trial and worrying that her son could one day get Blasey-Forded.

    But meanwhile I’ve seen a number of both married and unmarried longtime male friends turn more conservative with age — and honestly they often didn’t change with regards to being disagreeable and anti-establishment. Instead they at some point came to realize that the Left is the establishment and the biggest threat to their freedom.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
  29. Young White Core Americans Will Take A Stroll Down Debt Jubilee Street And They Will Nationalize The Federal Reserve Bank And They Will Dole Out Ten Thousand Dollars A Month To Each Eligible American Through The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP).

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Raise the federal funds rate to 6 percent and implode the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate and destroy the FIRE scam– Finance, Insurance, Real Estate — and stop laundering conjured up lot through the FIRE sector and dole out the conjured up loot directly to all eligible Americans. Foreigners will not be in any way eligible for the PCLP.

    Most Americans born before 1965 will have to be financially liquidated and tens of millions of them should be legally and forcibly exiled to a hot and humid and fetid part of sub-Saharan Africa. The geezers who are eligible will get the PCLP but their ill-gotten gains from the Fed-induced asset bubbles will be vaporized.

    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and Merrick Garland must be arrested and tried and imprisoned for aiding and abetting the harboring of illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party are now calling for the USA to be flooded with mass legal immigration “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party refused to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party are fully supportive of the scheme and plot to flood the USA with foreigners on visas. Trump and the rancid Republican Party are now screaming for more student visas and guest worker visas and tourist visas and H1-B visa foreigners and all manner of other foreigners.

    Trump and the rancid Republican Party must be met on the battlefield of political debate and they must be rhetorically crushed.

    I hereby challenge Trump and McConnell and Rick Scott and Kevin McCarthy and Tom Emmer and Marco Rubio and any other Republican Party scumbag to a debate on American national identity and mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders and foreign policy and monetary policy and tax policy and trade policy and the concentration of wealth and political power in the USA.

    Trump, that fat ass baby boomer coward, only likes to debate cunt boy cowards like Jebby Bush and John Kasich and Teddy Cruz, Trump won’t ever debate anybody who will call him out for his BACKSTABBING and duplicitous villainy.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

  30. AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION IS UNDER ATTACK!

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  31. Mario takes the poll:

    Boris Johnson: very unfavorable
    Justin Trudeau: very unfavorable
    Angela Merkel: very unfavorable
    Emmanuel Macron: very unfavorable
    Xi Jinping: somewhat favorable
    Vladimir Putin: very favorable
    West is the Best: once up a time…maybe

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  32. nebulafox says:
    @Wency

    I don’t think it’s getting married, but having children: I have a childless aunt or two who are married, and they haven’t grown more conservative. Having a child just changes everything in ways difficult to describe. You, for better or for worse, are staked in the stability and the success of the society around you. If its decaying, you will compulsively find an alternative if you have the means, whether you create your own or flee for another.

    Also, being conservative when it comes to your own kids does not preclude you being liberal with the kids of others, as the endless proposed social experiments in public schools embraced by those who can afford private ones show. Or encouraging people who might not have your level of ability to see through BS/evade BS/have self-control to go down certain paths.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  33. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox

    I don’t think it’s getting married, but having children: I have a childless aunt or two who are married.

    Stats are pretty clear on this – married women are more likely to vote Republican than unmarried women. The funny thing is, when they are divorced, they vote single again, then re-married, vote married again.

    For women, government is Ersatz Husband if unmarried, but if married, it becomes a rapist.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  34. nebulafox says:
    @UNIT472

    I get the distinct vibe that Vladimir Putin and the people around him grossly underestimate the PRC on a level that we could potentially exploit, but we’ve really got bigger fish to fry at home. I did research under people who grew up in the dying days of the USSR, and they would constantly talk about having these glistening new military systems on TV constantly while the road and bridge next to their apartment block was falling apart. No need for further comment.

  35. @nebulafox

    A lot of being a progressive is deluding yourself that you care deeply about people you don’t know and are possibly afraid of, judge or despise.

    It is also important to try and recruit others to support your delusion; which is why virtue signaling is so popular.

    Having children distracts from this, as does getting older. They greatly reduce the need to feel important by inflating oneself through pretending to “heal the world”.

    “A black person I have never heard of before got shot by the police, I feel so terrible, it is like my heart died. Whatever can we do about all these black people dying? Let’s get rid of the police! I am saving the world.”

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund, Dissident
  36. Daniel H says:
    @Wency

    ..and she spends approximately 0 minutes per year worrying about bad guys in other countries. And I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone of my generation or the Zoomers express fears about other countries and their bad guys..

    And then we get this: the Deep State works itself apoplectic, gunning for war, because Iran is selling a few Cigarette boats to Venezuela.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-06-10/iran-sends-warships-to-atlantic-amid-venezuela-concerns

    • Replies: @anon
  37. anon[752] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel H

    Didn’t we already see this movie before when Iran sent a couple of tankers with fuel to Caracas?

    Oh, but wait, that’s when Evil Bad Warmongering Orange Man was Tweeting from the White House. After lots of hand wringing and pearl clutching by leftards…nothing happened. Anticlimatic, to say the least.

    Now that we have the peaceful hologram selected as President, who knows what to expect?

  38. @Mario Partisan

    Mario takes the poll….

    This is a good game. I’ll play.

    Boris Johnson: somewhat unfavorable
    Justin Trudeau: very unfavorable
    Angela Merkel: very unfavorable
    Emmanuel Macron: neutral (but I just can’t get over that the president of France is married to a woman old enough to be his mother; it’s fascinating, and disturbing, and of course none of my business).
    Xi Jinping: somewhat unfavorable
    Vladimir Putin: very favorable

    I would rather have Macron as my president than Xi. I am not sure why. Macron has a subtle, indefinable appeal I cannot explain.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  39. @Jay Fink

    Millennials and younger were more indoctrinated than older generations.

    As you may know, in the U.S., I had some 2000 Millennials in college courses I taught. It isn’t the way one might think.

    No one has asked me for a lengthy tale and yet I do not know how to summarize the Millennials I knew in a few sentences, but a large minority among them see the indoctrination to which you refer clearly as indoctrination. They are not fooled. What makes them different is that they realize that we, their elders, have no answers to the civilizational crisis we have dumped in their laps.

    There is plenty for which to criticize Millennials, of course, but that’s old news. Meanwhile, there is another side to the Millennial character, a side which is hard for their elders to grasp. I have seen it.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  40. @Twinkie

    I’d go with harasser over rapist, but a well made point.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  41. @V. K. Ovelund

    I’ve seen the same. There’s the whining and other obvious tells that older folks complain about. But there’s also an ability to work together to get things done. If the Bolsheviks can tap into that, we AE going to be VERY glad to be older and soon off the planet. But if theMillennials decide to overturn society in a different way, they’re going to do it.

    I’ve seen that admirable team spirit in them, and I hope to see them succeed.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  42. @UNIT472

    No, you’re wrong.

    Just ask anatoly karlin, Russia will be using their oil revenue to colonize Saturn any day now.

  43. Twinkie says:
    @Almost Missouri

    most voters don’t put any more thought into voting than they do into buying soap… managing and manipulating the superficial perceptions of many people

    “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

    The fact of the matter is what we – all of us – all share the blame. We sold our country out so that we could buy books for a couple of dollars fewer online. We degraded ourselves for convenience. The only difference between “us” and “them” is that some of us have awakened to the calamity that we ourselves created while the others are still “fat, happy, and dumb” for cheap gadgets and fast entertainment and haven’t awakened yet to the fact that all this rests upon a house of cards.

    We can blame the rapacious elites, the Jews, the corporatists, and a whole series of villains, but the reality of the situation is that the fraudulent cannot prosper among the virtuous – they can only succeed where “the victims” as such are greedy, for it is precisely the people who are greedy who fall prey easily to manipulations at the prospect of easy, painless gains.

    Westerners may have a peculiar vulnerability to “pathological altruism”

    To be very frank, this is a self-indulgent and self-satisfactory cope. Westerners – and I include myself and my loved ones among them – have not been too altruistic. We have been too decadent, a disease that afflicts all prosperous societies that are devoid of an external foe or an existential threat.

  44. Twinkie says:
    @TomSchmidt

    I’d go with harasser over rapist, but a well made point.

    Thanks, but “harrasser” just doesn’t have the emotional and rhetorical impact as a “rapist.”

  45. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Wency

    And I can’t remember the last time I heard anyone of my generation or the Zoomers express fears about other countries and their bad guys. It’s always older people, and it doesn’t feel like they just started worrying about this stuff when they got old.

    I know a few Millennials and Zoomers. Their knowledge of, and interest in, what is happening in the wider world is practically zero. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

    It is true that later Silents, Boomers and early GenXers were subjected to relentless Cold War propaganda when they were young. Many of them have not changed their views on foreign policy since the 1970s. They still think the Russians are evil commies who ship their political opponents off to the salt mines in Siberia. They still think the Chinese are evil commies who are likely to invade us any day now. They think Xi is just Mao updated.

    It seems to be almost impossible to change people’s views once they’ve been indoctrinated in their youth.

    This has some worrying implications. It means that the indoctrination that young people today are receiving on things like climate change and the LGTBqwerty stuff will be with them for the rest of their lives. Thirty years from now ageing Millennials will still be fretting about homophobia.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  46. dfordoom says: • Website
    @A123

    Moving away from Liberalism is driven by life events. It sounds cool when you are young, then you start paying Income Taxes.

    The idea that everybody inevitably becomes more conservative as they get older is an article of faith on the Right. But is it true? Or is it just conservative cope?

    I’m not convinced that people’s political views or social attitudes change very much with age.

    • Replies: @A123
  47. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Almost Missouri

    Most of the West is run by overt traitors.

    Sort of. They’re traitors from the point of view of nationalists and social conservatives and white nationalists. But are they consciously traitors?

    I think the problem is that the West today is mostly run by people whose idea of the West and of western civilisation is very very different from your idea of the West and of western civilisation (and very very different from mine as well I hasten to add). They believe that they embody the true values of the modern West, and the depressing thing is that they’re correct in believing that. Their concept of western values might appear to you (and to me) as insane and depraved but western civilisation today really is insane and depraved.

  48. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Rahan

    Always remember attitudes change with age.

    Until trad social structures are dismantled.

    Yes, good point.

  49. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Most of the West is run by overt traitors.

    Although I’m sympathetic to your view, I should note that, by this logic, a substantial segment, perhaps even a plurality or a majority, of Westerners are traitors since the likes of Merkel didn’t come to power by force, but were elected or electorally brought to power.

    Yes. The majority of voters are not stupid (although many are) but they have zero understanding of complex issues so they vote for candidates who give them goodfeelz. Because emotions are all they have to go by. It’s not their fault. Most important political issues really are fiendishly complex and beyond the comprehension of anyone who isn’t a specialist in those fields. Ordinary people do not have the time or the energy to acquire such specialist knowledge.

    I’m not excepting myself from this. When it comes to something like COVID I have to admit that I lack the necessary specialised knowledge to have an informed opinion on whether for example the vaccines are a good idea or a bad idea. I don’t have the remotest idea how these vaccines work, or are supposed to work.

    • Replies: @iffen
  50. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    You have written a short explanation as to why we need to adopt a Manichaean outlook with regard to politics.

  51. dfordoom says: • Website
    @SunBakedSuburb

    “but were elected or electorally brought to power”

    This might be true if the election systems were free from skullduggery.

    In most countries the electoral systems are free from skullduggery. In Australia for example the electoral system really is free and fair. But Australians still elected that assclown Scott Morrison.

    There are exceptions. The British electoral system for example is totally undemocratic.

    But it doesn’t seem to matter if electoral systems are free and fair or not. Clowns still get elected.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  52. @dfordoom

    Thirty years from now ageing Millennials will still be fretting about homophobia.

    I am glad that I’ll not live to see it. In the United States, the fascination with androgyny and sodomy is the single least appealing feature of a Millennial generation that, in my up-close observation, otherwise has much to recommend it. It’s really bizarre.

    American public high schools have showers in them. The gridiron team still uses the showers, for their masculinity within an American cultural context can hardly be questioned; but the other boys do not use the showers, because homos. It’s twisted.

    The Millennial generation sees imaginary nuance in this question.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  53. @dfordoom

    In Australia for example the electoral system really is free and fair.

    In the United States the electoral system remains free and fair where the electors are of English, Scotch, Dutch, German and Scandinavian descent—the people who made the country. American electoral fraud seems to have begun with Catholics during the XIX century, unfortunately (which saddens me because I am one).

    The fraud is regrettable but, so far, its extent does remain limited. I doubt that 5 percent of the vote is fraudulent, though it would not astonish me to learn that fraud had reached half that level. If fraud tipped the recent election (which it probably did), that is because the election was otherwise so close.

    The bigger issue is The Great Replacement, which by all accounts is underway in Australia, as well. The U.S. is only 40 years ahead of Australia along the replacement curve. You don’t need to steal votes as such if you’re replacing the voters.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @Twinkie
  54. @Twinkie

    the reality of the situation is that the fraudulent cannot prosper among the virtuous

    Ah, so all we need is a completely virtuous society. Has there ever been such a place? Even in classical Athens, Socrates & Co. carped about how lazy and self-interested their fellow Greeks were.

    I think the reality is that the non-virtuous we will always have with us (to adapt a phrase), and any sustainable society has to have ways of dealing with them. We not only no longer have that, but our elites now condemn virtue and elevate vice. Such a polity cannot persist.

    We sold our country out so that we could buy books for a couple of dollars fewer online.

    Well, the corollary of the above is that even if you personally didn’t choose to empower Amazon, enough other people did that the alternatives to Amazon withered on the vine.

    I think the truth is that Amazon—or something like it—was inevitable once widespread internet became a reality. It was not inevitable that the CEO would become a woke, collusional bitch though. That was a special twist courtesy of our bizarre new “morality”.

    • Agree: iffen, V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  55. @Twinkie

    Westerners may have a peculiar vulnerability to “pathological altruism”

    To be very frank, this is a self-indulgent and self-satisfactory cope. Westerners – and I include myself and my loved ones among them – have not been too altruistic. We have been too decadent, a disease that afflicts all prosperous societies that are devoid of an external foe or an existential threat.

    Are there non-Western societies inviting hostile foreigners to colonize them and live on welfare (Danegeld)? If so, I have not heard of them.

    Yes, some of that is driven by cynical elites importing new constituents, but they have a surprisingly large underpinning in the general population of people (skewing female) who genuinely believe it is “moral” and “right” to do this. I don’t know what to call that other than “pathological altruism”. Pathological altruism may indeed be a form of “decadence”, but it is a specific, particular form, with specific, particular ramifications, so it seems to me it is useful to have the specific, particular name.

  56. @Almost Missouri

    While I’ll preface this by once again saying public opinion doesn’t matter to governance (until they’re at least inflamed enough to try a peasant revolt and using force, which isn’t in the near view).

    But it’s a little bit inaccurate to call it “altruism” since the biggest true believers genuinely don’t believe that it harms them. They actually subscribe to a convoluted system of rationalizations whereby it actually helps them, and they’re also very enlightened and charitable for supporting it.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  57. @V. K. Ovelund

    Just realized that I missed one…

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan: very unfavorable

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  58. RSDB says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    where the electors are of English, Scotch, Dutch, German and Scandinavian descent—the people who made the country. American electoral fraud seems to have begun with Catholics during the XIX century, unfortunately (which saddens me because I am one).

    I would point out that Eatanswill was in England; possibly the English behaved better over here.

    • LOL: iffen
  59. @A123

    Moving away from Liberalism is driven by life events. It sounds cool when you are young, then you start paying Income Taxes. Wealth redistribution is much less appealing when you are the source not the recipient.

    Yea but they stay in a realm of stupidity.

    They change from one race denial based ideology to another.

    Most of liberalism fails because it refuses to accept human genetics, not because government programs are inherently flawed.

    Conservatism takes those failures as evidence that government is the problem even though the worst failures just happen to be in non-White areas. Yea well capitalism fails in those areas as well.

    It’s all a bunch of BS and most people don’t grow out of it. Even worse is that conservatives at the top know it is a lie but think we should rally around the “minimal government” flag anyways because being honest about race is unAmerican/unChristian/rude/etc. But this strategy isn’t viable in the long term because you just allow the left to dominate the conversation and you can’t object to them bringing in third world immigrants if everyone is the same. So they eventually get a non-White majority and have no reason to give a f-ck about “minimal government” or anything else that conservatives argue for.

    End result is that the West is trapped in this false dichotomy and it ultimately favors the left and their desire to eliminate White people from the planet for the sake of equality.

  60. I think the more telling component of this graph is that boomers think Putin is the worst.

    Truly a generation of children that refuses to give up anti-White egalitarian fantasy.

    Xi sends Muslims to torture camps but these idiots think Putin is the bad guy. This follows the liberal narrative that only Whites can be racist or anti-Muslim. Scary Whites(tm) are assumed to be the cause of all problems.

    This graph will change quite a bit once everyone accepts that the Chinese are at fault for letting covid out of their bioweapons lab.

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Blinky Bill
  61. A123 says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    Age by itself does not drive changes in attitude. The driving force is life events.

    If a dead weight 18 year old, “Not in Education, Employment, or Training” [NEET] becomes 38yo NEET & then a 58yo NEET there is little motivation for improvememt. They will continue to express bitter Leftoid rage and self pity.

    #1 — Having a serious career makes one more Populist, as it promotes a long term view. Paying the dues at the bottom rungs leads to skills and experience needed to advance and earn Middle Class money.

    #2 — Marriage and Children also drive those who are capable towards a longer term Populist attitudes. Changing perspective from self to family leads to a more responsible Populist outlook.

    Of course there are exceptions. Those joining inherently Leftoid professions are much less likely to develop responsible Populist beliefs. For example choosing to become a government employees in education or social services, especially if it involves obtaining a “grievance studies” degree that elevates Leftoid feelings over critical thinking.

    PEACE 😇

  62. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Westerners may have a peculiar vulnerability to “pathological altruism”

    To be very frank, this is a self-indulgent and self-satisfactory cope. Westerners – and I include myself and my loved ones among them – have not been too altruistic.

    I agree. This supposed tendency to “pathological altruism” is wildly exaggerated. The West has never really been altruistic. It is, as you say, a cope.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @V. K. Ovelund

    In the United States, the fascination with androgyny and sodomy is the single least appealing feature of a Millennial generation that, in my up-close observation, otherwise has much to recommend it.

    I quite like Millennials. Their ideas on most subjects are totally insane and you can’t reason with them and there’s no chance they’re going to save civilisation but as people they’re usually very pleasant. And on non-political subjects they can be quite sensible.

    I should add that there’s also no reasoning with many Boomers on some subjects, such as the Boomercon obsession with the long-dead threat of communism.

    So maybe there’s just no reasoning with people in general.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    I think the more telling component of this graph is that boomers think Putin is the worst.

    Truly a generation of children that refuses to give up anti-White egalitarian fantasy.

    You’re completely wrong if you think that Boomer hostility to Putin has anything to do with anti-White egalitarian fantasies. Boomers hate Putin because he’s Russian and to Boomers (or at least to Boomercons) the Russians will always be the evil commies.

    Boomers also hate Xi Jinping because to Boomers (or at least to Boomercons) the Chinese will always be the evil commies. You cannot escape the effects of youthful indoctrination.

    Xi sends Muslims to torture camps

    Hysterical nonsense.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @John Johnson
  65. @John Johnson

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  66. Twinkie says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Ah, so all we need is a completely virtuous society.

    That’s a cheap straw man. And you are eliding my point about what makes fraud possible – it’s greed on the part of the victim.

    Yes, some of that is driven by cynical elites importing new constituents

    I don’t think that’s why the Chamber of Commerce has supported mass immigration and has ignored the illegal immigration problem, too, for that matter. That might be one of the reasons why the Democratic political class has promoted it, but what’s been the excuse for the Republicans? It’s been for the cheap labor.

    And many ordinary people have supported it too (or at least haven’t oppose it actively), because they got to pay less for their lawn-cutting, for cleaners, etc. As I wrote before, we were all complicit in this.

    As I put it before, “We were too uniquely noble and were taken easily” is a cope. It’s not reality.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke, nebulafox
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @V. K. Ovelund
  67. Twinkie says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    In the United States the electoral system remains free and fair where the electors are of English, Scotch, Dutch, German and Scandinavian descent—the people who made the country. American electoral fraud seems to have begun with Catholics during the XIX century, unfortunately (which saddens me because I am one).

    I don’t know how familiar you are with the history of electoral politics in the American South. Long before blacks could vote in the South and there were any significant numbers of Catholics, there was much skullduggery and shenanigans in Southern politics. Far from reflecting the true will of the masses, backroom deals were the rule and corruption was rife.

    In politics, there used to be a saying about the “Southern governor syndrome” – how a governor from the Southern state would be very good at navigating his local politics, where no one was a single-issue power player, but then once he got to D.C., would be hobbled by failing to be able to horse-trade with the plethora of single-issue advocacy groups.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  68. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    Yes, some of that is driven by cynical elites importing new constituents

    I don’t think that’s why the Chamber of Commerce has supported mass immigration and has ignored the illegal immigration problem, too, for that matter. That might be one of the reasons why the Democratic political class has promoted it, but what’s been the excuse for the Republicans? It’s been for the cheap labor.

    Cheap labour and cheap servants.

  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Twinkie

    To be very frank, this is a self-indulgent and self-satisfactory cope. Westerners – and I include myself and my loved ones among them – have not been too altruistic. We have been too decadent, a disease that afflicts all prosperous societies that are devoid of an external foe or an existential threat.

    Something that often gets overlooked is that the prosperity of the postwar period (from 1945 until the Oil Crisis hit in 1973) was a different kind of prosperity compared to the prosperity of more recent times. The prosperity of the 1945-73 period was a much more real kind of prosperity. It was prosperity built on a foundation of saving and financial responsibility. It was also prosperity built on a foundation of job security and of at least some vague sense of responsibility on the part of employees towards their employers, and on the part of employers towards their employees.

    It was also of course a prosperity resting on the foundation of stable families.

    Modern prosperity is built on a foundation of debt and easy credit. With no job security and no sense of responsibility towards others. And with much less stable families.

    On a recent thread @V.K. Ovelund and I were talking about the moral effects of the explosion of consumer credit. It really does create a very different kind of prosperity.

    The US and Australia were very prosperous in the 1945-73 period, with very little sign of decadence. So maybe it’s not prosperity that leads to decadence, but only certain kinds of prosperity.

  70. @Twinkie

    I don’t know how familiar you are with the history of electoral politics in the American South. Long before blacks could vote in the South and there were any significant numbers of Catholics, there was much skullduggery and shenanigans in Southern politics. Far from reflecting the true will of the masses, backroom deals were the rule and corruption was rife.

    Good point. Before Reconstruction, or after?

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  71. @Twinkie

    Almost Missouri can speak for himself, but meanwhile, I took his comment to mean something slightly different. I took it to mean that a good society simultaneously promotes virtue and, at the same time, avoids the near occasion of sin.

    While instructing in college, I requested and got an office whose door opened onto a high-traffic hallway so that coeds would not be isolated with me. When I was still in my 40s, that did not stop the occasional coed from throwing herself at me, but it did relieve pressure on my wife. I took Almost Missouri to mean that internally motivated continence and an external door onto a high-traffic hallway are both wise to have.

    (Tangentially, the coeds stopped throwing themselves at me about the time I turned 50—which was just as well, since if I had ever once bought the goods so to speak, I could hardly have afforded the bill! However, insofar as I had gained no weight nor anything of that sort, it also goes to prove that even men eventually age out of their primes. Nowadays, the women are throwing themselves at my U.S. Army Ranger son, instead, which is as it ought to be.)

  72. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    I quite like Millennials. Their ideas on most subjects are totally insane and you can’t reason with them and there’s no chance they’re going to save civilisation but as people they’re usually very pleasant. And on non-political subjects they can be quite sensible.

    You claim you are Australian, right? Living in Australia? And you appear to be a boomer. So where do you meet and interact with all these American millennials? I’m an American millennial and I don’t know any Australians; in fact, have never met one, even at an Outback Steakhouse. And other than relatives and maybe some teachers when I was in school, I don’t interact with boomers. They are way too old. I don’t even have much to do with Gen X or Zoomers. My circle is largely made up of people of my age cohort, interests and affinities, work life, nationality, religion and ethnicity. That seems to be pretty much true for most people.
    Incidentally, I have a serious profession (one that doesn’t give me time to make thousands of posts of to websites) , a mortgage, a spouse and rug rats.
    Oh, and I spell civilization with a “z.”

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  73. Zoomers and millennials are based.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Which country / countries are you referring to?

  75. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    You claim you are Australian, right? Living in Australia? And you appear to be a boomer. So where do you meet and interact with all these American millennials?

    Where did I claim to be talking about American Millennials? I was of course talking about Australian Millennials. I thought that was too obvious to need stating.

    My circle is largely made up of people of my age cohort, interests and affinities, work life, nationality, religion and ethnicity. That seems to be pretty much true for most people.

    So you don’t have any family? You don’t ever leave the house? You live in some kind of bubble?

    Oh, and I spell civilization with a “z.”

    That’s not your fault. Since you clearly live in a bubble you’re probably not aware that non-Americans exist.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  76. Twinkie says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Before Reconstruction, or after?

    Both, I think. Before the Civil War, the South was dominated by and was run for the benefit of large land-owning lowland “cavalier” elites and the vast majority of the voters who owned neither slaves nor large properties had much say. In that regard, the arrival of the carpetbaggers during the Reconstruction was something of an elite replacement.

    Now the Midwestern whites were a different story – they were sober, fair-minded, and egalitarian. Many still are. My wife’s people – I consider them the Best Whites, though my sympathies and affinity rest with upland Southerners.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  77. @Blinky Bill

    Yes China is happy to train Muslims that don’t live in China.

    Here is what happens to local Muslims.
    https://www.scpr.org/news/2021/06/10/98107/new-report-details-firsthand-accounts-of-torture-f/

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  78. @dfordoom

    You’re completely wrong if you think that Boomer hostility to Putin has anything to do with anti-White egalitarian fantasies. Boomers hate Putin because he’s Russian and to Boomers (or at least to Boomercons) the Russians will always be the evil commies.

    That doesn’t make any sense. They should be more hostile to Xi if that were the case.

    (on sending Muslims to torture camps)
    Hysterical nonsense.

    Well Amnesty International disagrees.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/e2-80-98crimes-against-humanity-e2-80-99-detailed-in-china-e2-80-99s-xinjiang-amnesty/ar-AAKUYA1?ocid=uxbndlbing

  79. @dfordoom

    I agree. This supposed tendency to “pathological altruism” is wildly exaggerated. The West has never really been altruistic. It is, as you say, a cope.

    The term describes self-destructive altruism which is a problem in the West that goes back to the time of Napoleon.

    It's not discussed that he violently invaded his neighbors in the name of democracy and equality.

    Then came Lincoln who started a war while speaking of equality and brotherhood. Privately he believed that race existed and thought that making Southerners live with Blacks was a fitting punishment for trying to leave the union.

    In today's West we have a government and media system that actively works to hide reality in order to preserve a fraudulent equality.

    So yea it's a problem.

  80. @John Johnson

    They become Vice Premier of the People’s Republic of China in charge of agriculture.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_Liangyu

  81. Anonymous[387] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    So you don’t have any family?

    Apparently you have reading comprehension issues. I wrote: ” I have a spouse and rug rats.”

    Where did I claim to be talking about American Millennials? I was of course talking about Australian Millennials. I thought that was too obvious to need stating.

    This is a site run by an American discussing American issues primarily. Why would it be obvious you were discussing Australian Millennials? How would anyone even know you were Australian unless they looked at your comment history?

    You don’t ever leave the house? You live in some kind of bubble?

    That description applies more to someone who has written well over a million words of comments to this website alone. Obviously, you have no friends, no one who wants to talk to you, no job, no demands on your time, no hobbies and just sit hunched over your keyboard day after day posting worthless drivel, accomplishing nothing at all, which I suppose describes your entire life.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  82. @John Johnson

    LOL Amnesty International


    [MORE]

  83. dfordoom says: • Website
    @John Johnson

    Well Amnesty International disagrees.

    That’s so adorable. You actually take Amnesty International seriously.

  84. @Anonymous

    The average U.S. Millennial has better manners than you. From my perspective, since I actually know an uncommonly large number of U.S. Millennials, your report is more nearly accurate than @dfordoom’s in this instance, but @dfordoom has better manners than you, too. If you care.

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