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Extrapolating from these poll results, well over 100 million Americans do not expect the Trump administration to go gently into that good night after Joe Biden is declared the president-elect:

The 12% of respondents who answered “not sure” are included in these results of the residuals that are not shown. Among those with an opinion, half express an expectation of violence.

This is risible. Outside officially sanctioned government channels, the American right doesn’t get violent about anything. The corporate media is still going on about a single fatality three years ago in Charlottesville. Meanwhile left wing civil unrest costing dozens of lives, hundreds or thousands of injuries, and billions of dollars in property damage across several major cities over the last several months goes largely unmentioned. An argument that the violence is justified can be made, and many on the left have made it. But the violence can’t justifiably be ignored. It is occurring and must be reckoned with.

Parenthetically, a feather in the cap of the intelligentsia on this one. We often ridicule the silly pedantism of the highly educated, but they have their feet more firmly planted on the ground in this case.

Or is this assessment missing the mark? One-in-three Republicans say they expect violence. Do they think other Republicans will be the ones perpetrating it, or do they plan to get kinetic if things don’t go their way in November? Really?

Rather inexplicably–because that’s how gaslighting goes–YouGov doesn’t ask respondents whether or not they expect a peaceful acceptance of another four-year term for Donald Trump if he wins re-election. One suspects that while the distribution would be a bit different demographically, well north of 100 million Americans wouldn’t expect that sequence of events to be pacific, either.

In the minds of many Americans, then, there will be war. God help us if it comes to that.

 
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  1. nebulafox says:

    I genuinely believe that the Resistance is going to feel emotionally cheated if Trump just concedes defeat like a normal politician.

    • Agree: John Achterhof
    • Replies: @Sean
    , @El Dato
  2. Getaclue says:

    The only way Trump loses is by MASSIVE FRAUD.

  3. Trump –he pays 750 Income tax on 2 recent years and zilch on 13 others –but is President. To be taxed at 750 income is $3,000 – and yet there he is leading the Nation and handing out LOWER taxes for his pals. You and I pay more for what we purchase thanks to Peter Navarro –another deranged personality from the Elmer Fudd Skool of Exonomics. USA is 27 TRILLON IN DEBT and WHO is going to repay this debt? Portland – Seattle – Chicago – Kenosha- Milwaukee- Atlanta – Baltimore – Los Angeles – all in the Big Leagues of trash and crash. If you can’t breath – dial 911 and Ask for Donnie –Rumsfeld.

  4. Dr. Doom says:

    America wouldn’t exist without Revolution. Its tradition.

    How much longer will CORE Americans put up with their dispossession?

    Not for much longer I’d expect.

    The Left wants 1917. They’re behind the times.

    This is Weimar 2.0. The Left always loses after Weimar collapses.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  5. Is there anything about which women aren’t more wrong than men?

    • LOL: iffen
  6. When Barack Obama was running for the first time in 2008, the mainstream media was openly publishing assassination fantasies and spooking everyone about a hypothetical mob of white bigots who would never let a black man become president. None of that happened either.

    • Agree: Voltarde
    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Truth
  7. LondonBob says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Giving women the vote was a big mistake, there is a reason God clearly designates women as second class citizens in all three Abrahamic religions.

  8. – #RepealtheNineteenth

    – The Fourteenth is already null and void.

    – But what´s interesting is the apparent trend reversal by education … do the libtard academe really have more trust in Orange Man´s civic-mindedness or is there something we don´t know about?

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. Since the man himself has repeatedly stated that he will not acknowledge a defeat at the polls, a certain “fear” is not without basis. Pumped up on steroids, coughing, rasping, raving far more incoherently than usual – with any luck, nature is on the way to solving this embarrassment before November third. If he was not a sociopath who has done such massive damage to our country, you could feel sorry for the fool. Every con artist’s weak spot is that eventually he begins to believe his own lies and, mistaking them for truth, enables his own ruin.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  10. … well over 100 million Americans do not expect the Trump administration to go gently into that good night after Joe Biden is declared the president-elect:

    Did the Democrats go quietly or gently into the night four years ago?

    À bon chat, bon rat.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  11. The 12% of respondents who answered “not sure” are included in these results of the residuals that are not shown.

    Hard to parse, but I may have understood it.

    This is risible. Outside officially sanctioned government channels, the American right doesn’t get violent about anything.

    Well put, and too true.

    The corporate media is still going on about a single fatality three years ago in Charlottesville. Meanwhile left wing civil unrest costing dozens of lives, hundreds or thousands of injuries, and billions of dollars in property damage across several major cities over the last several months goes largely unmentioned.

    It is mentioned … as “mostly peaceful”, and don’t you dare think anything else.

    Parenthetically, a feather in the cap of the intelligentsia on this one. We often ridicule the silly pedantism of the highly educated, but they have their feet more firmly planted on the ground in this case.

    Yes, it turns out the Media Industrial Complex megaphone really works: borderline pathological passivity = IMMINENT VIOLENCE, but actual ongoing violence = Peaceful Protests for Justice!

    One-in-three Republicans say they expect violence. Do they think other Republicans will be the ones perpetrating it, or do they plan to get kinetic if things don’t go their way in November? Really?

    I wonder too. Unfortunately they’ve been told so often that there are right wing militia hiding in every suburban neighborhood that they might have started to believe it. I expect multifaceted disappointment to ensue.

    Rather inexplicably–because that’s how gaslighting goes–YouGov doesn’t ask respondents whether or not they expect a peaceful acceptance of another four-year term for Donald Trump if he wins re-election. One suspects that while the distribution would be a bit different demographically, well north of 100 million Americans wouldn’t expect that sequence of events to be pacific, either.

    First, “because that’s how gaslighting goes”, you just explained the “inexplicable”.

    Second, anything less than 100% expectation of violence from anti-Trumpers would simply be an inaccurate observation of currently ongoing reality.

    In the minds of many Americans, then, there will be war. God help us if it comes to that.

    The war may be God’s help.

    Yes, that’s how bad it’s getting.

    “I used to worry there would be a civil war. Now I worry there won’t be.”
    —Mark Steyn

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  12. Dumbo says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Is there anything about which women aren’t more wrong than men?

    The main problem of women is not that they are usually wrong, but that they exhibit a fanatical devotion to witch-hunting in wrong causes.

    Case in point:

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/10/07/petition-to-support-mark-crispin-miller-and-academic-freedom/

    I wonder how many of the witch trials in the Middle Ages really started because of jealousy or rivalry among women – but now they blame the “patriarchy”.

    From Wiki on the Salem Witch Trials:

    “The trials were started after people had been accused of witchcraft, primarily by teenage girls such as Elizabeth Hubbard, 17, as well as some who were younger.

    Women accuse other women of being witches, but, it’s the patriarchy, stupid.

    • Agree: John Regan
  13. Realist says:
    @LondonBob

    This country started out with a fairly intelligent approach to suffrage…but it didn’t take long to screw that up.

    • Agree: Rich
  14. Realist says:
    @nokangaroos

    #RepealtheNineteenth

    Right since the majority in this country are women the chance of that happening is…zero.

  15. songbird says:

    I wish Biden and his gang would stop wearing those black surgical masks and start wearing black burglar masks.

    • LOL: Rich
  16. CMC says:

    Wish I knew the overlap on some of these responses. Like between this question and #28, about whether one thinks it will be a fair election.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  17. @GomezAdddams

    > USA is 27 TRILLON IN DEBT and WHO is going to repay this debt?

    Lmfaooooo

    The realignment is real

    Resistance wine democrats become fiscal conservative deficit hawks, because the workers are racist

  18. AE

    They always project

    So what this is telling us is Trump is going to win and they are going to get very violent in response

    • Agree: Neuday
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  19. Nodwink says:
    @LondonBob

    And that reason is that followers of the (((Abrahamic))) religions are retarded.

    • Troll: Intelligent Dasein
    • Replies: @mc23
  20. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Getaclue

    Yeah, it’s impossible to believe mishandling coronavirus and not implementing your agenda could lead to a legitimate electoral loss.

    /MIGApede

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund, nebulafox
    • Replies: @Thomasina
  21. Anonymous[255] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dr. Doom

    Or is this assessment missing the mark? One-in-three Republicans say they expect violence. Do they think other Republicans will be the ones perpetrating it, or do they plan to get kinetic if things don’t go their way in November? Really?

    It’s just LARPing, or, as the SJWs would term it, “performative radicalism.” It reminds me of the “New Atheists” of the Bush era. Went on and on and on about how bad religion was, but never asked what would replace it. These civil war LARPers do the same thing. They all seem to assume that if they sweep away the Democrats and the MSM, so too will go the neocons and GOPe. There’s this form of magical thinking where they assume all of them have been made totally impotent and powerless by their loss in the 2016 primary. In reality, most of them still retain their governorships, their senate seats, and their army posts. They still control most conservative media and, in a vital part many people here seem to miss, the churches.

    It’s better to sit it out and let the coalition of the fringes turn into the circular firing squad that it naturally is. Eventually, some faction will try to appeal to us with an actual offer rather than empty promises.

    >imb4 the shill is advocating we win by losing

    You lose if the Democrats win, and you lose if the Republicans win. That’s reality. I can’t help it you want to LARP as a “brave” “fighter” rather than accept realty.

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  22. The news announced after the close of the polls on Nov. 4 (or 5, or 10… whenever) will be the results of a SELECTION, not an ELECTION. There will be no change in the people actually running things. Do these people want Trump or Biden as their front man? Damned if I know. Interesting possibilities:

    Select Trump and you could ignite stupid lefty violence that would give the establishment the opportunity to kill a bunch of those idiots. Those folks are going to be liquidated sooner or later, might as well get on the job quick, before too many of the cops get tired of killing. That could lead to a convenient breakdown in the diverse urban areas as winter is coming on, and might be managed to really get rid of a bunch of useless eaters.

    Select Biden and the useless eaters get eyes bigger than their stomachs. They go out hard, thinking they can beat the deploreables. They are badly mistaken. The Antifa/BLM types get massacred. The cops stand off. There is a convenient breakdown in the diverse urban areas just as winter is coming on, and might be managed to quickly get rid of a lot of useless eaters.

    Heads the Deep State wins, tails the American people lose. Either way the rascals get someone else to do all the dirty work, all directed from safety and misreported on demand. Nothing but clean hands.

    The polls open at 7 am and the line forms to the right….

  23. Slightly O/T …

    Wow! What a shocker! /sarc

    Barr tells Republicans Durham report won’t be ready by election

    Attorney General Bill Barr has begun telling top Republicans that the Justice Department’s sweeping review into the origins of the Russia investigation will not be released before the election, a senior White House official and a congressional aide briefed on the conversations tell Axios.

    Source: https://www.axios.com/barr-durham-report-election-3c02ec6a-7613-4083-b35c-4844de6da16b.html

    QAnon, and it’s many predictions of thousands of indictments coming down has always been a psyop to keep the boobs and bubbas quietly on the sideline … maybe this coming out now will get enough counter-revolutionaries in the streets before Election Day to actually make a difference. Then again, maybe not. Too many on the right are content be be little more than Keyboard Commandos while the left are literally taking the streets away from them.

    Meanwhile, that tick-tick-ticking you hear isn’t a bombshell October Surprise about to blow up in the Dems faces … it is the clock of the statute of limitations for the real crimes of the 2016 coup conspirators running out.

    • Replies: @Brian Reilly
    , @Corvinus
  24. @GomezAdddams

    Trump’s presidential salary is donated back into government programs, and I don’t listen to libelous news outlets make claims while withholding evidence

  25. First of all, I expect rioting on election night no matter the outcome. If Trump wins, the left will be angered and will trash things. If Biden wins, it will be like sports fans turning over police cars and burning things because their team won the NBA title.

    If Trump loses, I think he will surprise a lot of people by being uncharacteristically gracious in defeat, which will cause the left to go insane. All the dumb people on MSNBC and CNN will shriek about how that’s proof that Trump really is mentally ill and that it would be too risky to let the him complete his term. They will insist that immediate removal from office, by force if necessary, is the only option.

    • Replies: @Catdog
  26. Mr. Epigone says:

    In the minds of many Americans, then, there will be war. God help us if it comes to that.

    I say:

    The God Of Warr shall deputize Kevin Phillips as the War Chieftain and the God of Warr shall make the state of Connecticut the vessel by which Holy Righteous Warr shall be made on all the other states.

    Yes, the Nutmeg State Connecticut shall slough off its shackles of civility and plummy old stocker cheeriness and they shall pillage and rampage and invade and turn to rubble everything that can’t be plundered or sold at a really sweet profit with no great difficulty.

    CONNECTICUT will bring the New Ark of the Connecticut Covenant to all states and the states that do not immediately comply with all the reasonable demands made by Connecticut shall be made to suffer the horrible fate of gin and tonic fury of the merciless Connecticut hordes.

    Why must Kevin Phillips be made to endure the slights and annoyances of Trump or Fed Chairman Powell or some billionaires or some Deep State turds or some other mug that got power?

    After Biden wins the presidency on November 3 or sometime shortly thereafter, Kevin Phillips shall lead his Connecticut Bonecrushers to triumph over the other states and any resistance from the federal government forces will melt away in fear from the forces of Kevin “The Bold” Phillips.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  27. By-tor says:
    @Observator

    You are correct: Hillary Clinton said last month that prepubescent teenage girl dancer-loving and drool-catcher/ face diaper proponent Joe Biden, along with his BJ-specialist establishment mulatto, should not concede under any circumstances.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/09/27/durbin_hillary_clinton_is_flat_out_wrong_telling_biden_not_to_concede_election.html#!

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hillary-clinton-says-biden-shouldn-t-concede-under-any-circumstances/ar-BB18mJm1

  28. A123 says:

    TDS extremism is out of control. The Nazi-crats are now engaged in voter suppression and ballot tampering (see below). Christian Populists will do what it takes to save the country from an illegitimate Biden coup.

    Yes. Team Red is less organized than Islamic BLM & the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa. However, they have an easier task. Team Red controls 90% + of the land while Team Blue clusters in cities. Blue Cities are dependent on train tracks and high-voltage electric lines located in Red Territory.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  29. Catdog says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Another hot take from the “let’s blow the libtards’ minds by cucking harder than even they can believe” department.

    Trump should not concede, under any circumstances.

    • Troll: Corvinus
    • Replies: @Alexander Turok
  30. Alfa158 says:
    @GomezAdddams

    Whenever the issue of repaying the debt is raised, I always ask the same question:
    Can anyone show a serious plan, or even intention to ever repay the debt?
    I still haven’t seen an answer.
    These debts are effectively not repayable, because the expansion of the money supply beyond what is required to prevent deflation as real economic growth occurs, is effectively the printing of fiat currency Monopoly money. There is no political constituency to raise taxes and slash actual inflation adjusted government spending in order to pay off the debt. The debt will grow until the nation’s currency collapses, and then it is erased and everyone starts over with a new currency.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  31. anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m pretty cynical, but the depravity of the establishment over the past several months has been shocking. Regardless of who wins the election, violence in the streets isn’t going away anytime soon.

    However, I don’t see how an actual war could be sustained — after all, practically everyone with guns is on the same team. I suspect The Party knows they can’t overplay their hand in that direction. Then again, people do irrational things…

    But I think it’s far more likely that deeply red or blue states will simply decide they’ve had enough, secede, and the feds will be powerless to stop it.

    Even in a scenario where there’s a bitter dispute between a blue city, a red state, and a blue DOJ over a McCloskey, Rittenhouse, Gardner, etc — or some other security-related matter — the end result is the same.

    The states do have rights: they did retain their sovereignty under the Constitution, and this has consequences. Eventually a line will be crossed and it’ll happen, probably without much of a skirmish.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  32. Sean says:
    @nebulafox

    The preparations ostensibly for removing Trump are actually going to be used on Biden, who will insist he is fine and refuse to resign unless confronted with an alternative of being forcibly removed. Harris is going to be President within 18 months.

    • Agree: Chrisnonymous
  33. @Observator

    Who the f__k are you talking about? Did you just sleep for 4 years? The Hildabeast is a woman, if I’m not mistaken, though I may very well be, and you got one other thing wrong – I don’t think she takes steroids.

  34. @Alfa158

    Agreed, Alfa. When you divide this $27,000,000,000,000 by 100 million actual tax-paying (not just filing) families, you get a quarter million bucks each. Even if you got on a plan to raise taxes to pay it off in 20 years, that would mean $$13,000 MORE income tax per year each. How can a service economy possible generate salaries to enable this? That is not to mention a Congress that would slash government spending to less than it is in normal years when the spending is about 1/3 more than the revenue.

    Therefore, most of the world is going to lose confidence in the US dollar at some point. I think it there will be much higher inflation than the 4% actual amount now, and maybe even out-of-control hyperinflation.

    Dr. Doom wrote that we look like Weimar Germany. I think that is true both in his sense, with the Commies coming out of the woodwork again, and the possible hyperinflation to come.

  35. botazefa says:
    @Realist

    Do you remember Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corola on ‘Women Suffraging?’

    Very funny.

    • Replies: @Realist
  36. botazefa says:
    @Realist

    Do you remember Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corola on ‘Women Suffraging?’

    Very funny.

  37. botazefa says:
    @Realist

    Do you remember Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corola on ‘Women Suffraging?’

    Very funny.

  38. @GomezAdddams

    Trump –he pays 750 Income tax on 2 recent years and zilch on 13 others –but is President. To be taxed at 750 income is $3,000 – and yet there he is leading the Nation and handing out LOWER taxes for his pals. You and I pay more for what we purchase thanks to Peter Navarro –another deranged personality from the Elmer Fudd Skool of Exonomics. USA is 27 TRILLON IN DEBT and WHO is going to repay this debt? Portland – Seattle – Chicago – Kenosha- Milwaukee- Atlanta – Baltimore – Los Angeles – all in the Big Leagues of trash and crash. If you can’t breath – dial 911 and Ask for Donnie –Rumsfeld.

    Trump stumped – stump speech – impeach impeach – amy coney Barrett = anyone couldn’t bear it, I.e., CIA mindreading/exploitation/torture phenomenon totally ignored by the press – pressed to death – e.g. Giles Corey – (READ YOUR EFFING HISTORY AND WAKE THE “ “ EFF “ “ up ppl !!!) – witch hunts aka witch trials – impeachment + phony Russian hoax – deep state denies – FalseHOOD and lies – hood uprising – Trayvon “hood and skittles” – “MAMA EYE CAINT BREATHE” – breath control CIA experimentation hidden by deep state operatives “intentional cover up” – if you ain’t outraged man …. you “R” not paying attention (to the “D”s)))

  39. @The Alarmist

    The Democrats formed The Resistance which has the backing of the civilian intelligence agencies, leftist billionaires, and Establishment Republicans. Trump has the Deplorables. I like Deplorables; I got a few amongst my family and friends. But they have no power. Trump, the accidental president, was neutered before he took office.

    • Troll: Corvinus
  40. @Charles Pewitt

    Kevin Phillips is the most astute observer of the treacherous Bush Family. Phillips, a conservative, offered a convincing critique of the debt industry and its rise under Republican leadership in American Theocracy (2005).

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  41. El Dato says:
    @nebulafox

    STARBUCKS WILL BURN!

    But after that, they will have to get rid of Biden too.

  42. El Dato says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Weren’t the “they” who would get rid of Obama on the first Dallas overpass the Deep Staters? 8 years after, the Deep State didn’t exist and was un-american idea.

  43. Wyatt says:

    Good ol’ women, leadin’ the pack on not being in sync with reality. Poor Rosie, graphs like this must get her panties in a knot!

  44. @LondonBob

    Also in other religions, but our unfamiliarity with them makes it easy for leftists to misrepresent them.

  45. @A123

    I have been hostile to you and am likely to remain so, so you owe me no answers. Nevertheless, I am curious about this:

    … the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa.

    I had thought that I was the Fascist. I do not really know how to define Fascism, but you have Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Mosely, Rockwell, Pinochet, Peinovich and so on—not to mention Heidegger and Evola. There is a theme. As far as I know, Antifa is the opposite of this theme.

    I do not know enough about Stormtroopers (SA) to comment intelligently, but regarding Fascism more generally: what makes one a Fascist in your view?

    • Replies: @Gordo
  46. @The Alarmist

    There is not, and never has been any sort of DOJ investigation intended to result in the indictment of any of these traitorous mutts. Remember that AG Barr is sure that Epstein killed himself. Does anyone need to know anything more?? The fix is in, and always has been.

    All of them, including Mr. Trump, are a bunch of scammers. Burn it all down. No quarter.

  47. Thomasina says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, it’s not like Trump was impeded in any way. I mean, talk about smooth sailing! Has any president had an easier time than he has?

    Okay, I guess you could say he suffered a little from the odd curve ball thrown his way (spying on him, accusing him of colluding with the Russians, ignoring his orders, impeaching him), but no biggie.

    And imagine him listening to the medical experts! Why, he should have known better. He should have had a medical degree, or something. (Sarc)

  48. @Catdog

    What Trump should do if he loses the election, according to this guy:

    In my view, strength is defined by actually winning, not by yelling really loud. The loser who throws a temper tantrum is weaker than the loser who accepts defeat with dignity.

  49. MBlanc46 says:
    @Getaclue

    There will be massive fraud.

  50. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anon

    But I think it’s far more likely that deeply red or blue states will simply decide they’ve had enough, secede, and the feds will be powerless to stop it.

    Yes, the feds would be totally powerless to stop it. It’s not like the Federal Government has an army at its disposal. It’s also lucky the feds don’t control a political police apparatus like the FBI, or a whole bunch of intelligence agencies.

    Look what happened last time when the southern states seceded and the Federal Government was powerless to stop it.

    It must be nice to live full-time in a fantasy world.

    • Replies: @anon
  51. J1234 says:

    Not very likely at all there will be a peaceful transfer of power.

    The left needs these conspiracy theories, which are actually more like self-fulfilling prophecies than conspiracy theories. They’ve tried everything from bogus Russia collusion charges to the 25th Amendment argument to illegitimately remove a duly elected president from office, and as a result, a substantial number of people think the left may illegitimately influence an election – through bogus ballots or bogus voters – to achieve that goal. Surprise surprise.

  52. mc23 says:
    @Nodwink

    Even a stopped clock is right two times a day.

  53. Gordo says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I had thought that I was the Fascist. I do not really know how to define Fascism, but you have Mussolini, Hitler, Franco, Mosely, Rockwell, Pinochet, Peinovich and so on—not to mention Heidegger and Evola. There is a theme. As far as I know, Antifa is the opposite of this theme.

    If there isn’t time to engage in debate a good rule of thumb is that if they are dirty and smell, have weirdly coloured hair, haven’t shaved (even the men) and the look of mental illness in their sviwelling eyes, they are not the Fascists.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  54. Corvinus says:
    @Getaclue

    “The only way Trump loses is by MASSIVE FRAUD.”

    Which has not happened in previous elections, nor will it happen on Election Day. Interesting how Trump has stated in the past (and I am paraphrasing here) that if he wins, there was no fraud, and if he loses, there was patent fraud.

  55. Corvinus says:
    @The Alarmist

    “Too many on the right are content be be little more than Keyboard Commandos while the left are literally taking the streets away from them.”

    Yet, here YOU are typing away. We expect a live field report from you at the next local protest movement showing how YOU are defending those streets. Bon chance!

  56. @SunBakedSuburb

    Mr SunBaked Suburb says:

    Kevin Phillips is the most astute observer of the treacherous Bush Family. Phillips, a conservative, offered a convincing critique of the debt industry and its rise under Republican leadership in American Theocracy (2005).

    I say:

    Kevin Phillips does have a clear understanding of the crooked crooks in the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate and their shady financial dealings and their shady ties to the globalized plutocrat goons.

    I wrote this about Kevin Phillips and the crooked crooks in the airline and airplane business in 2019:

    I’m too lazy to read the comments about the BOEING GLOBALIZATION AIRPLANE CRASH — but I hope somebody will write about the FINANCIALIZATION scams in the airplane industry involving leases and contracts and bribery and everything else that goes with FINANCIALIZATION.

    Kevin Phillips got me thinking about FINANCIALIZATION and I see that it has completely taken over the airplane industry and the airport industry. Phillips’s books Boiling Point and Wealth and Democracy and Bad Money are good on financialization.

    Smash and grab financialization doesn’t care if a few planes go down, as long as the scam artists running the scams can make a big bag of cash out of it.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/737-max-crashes-nature-or-nurture/#comment-3094799

    Tweet from 2014:

  57. @Realist

    Right since the majority in this country are women the chance of that happening is…zero.

    It won’t happen because those in power don’t want it to happen. I feel like I’m repeating myself, but the majority of people being in favor or opposed to somethi g means nothing.

    That majority opinion determines the policy of democratic spcieties is just propaganda. Influence, organization and planning > “the will of the people” and every other hazy democratic propaganda term every time.

    • Replies: @Realist
  58. @Corvinus

    What do you get out of a life like this? Thinking about what goes through your head is depressing.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Mr. Rational
  59. Corvinus says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Knowing what I say is accurate–massive voter fraud is a myth–would make you depressed.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    , @Curle
  60. anon[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    That is the question, yes. My answer is that if the feds even hint at pulling a tyranny they risk contagion. Do you really imagine the military would attack the LEOs of, say, TX or CA after they lawfully secede? Do you realize how risky it would be to give those orders? Surely there would be some attempt at sabotage, but it’s not 1861 anymore. Remember also that the Union didn’t try Jeff Davis after the war because they knew the South was right.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  61. Realist says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    It won’t happen because those in power don’t want it to happen.

    Agreed, your explanation is more probable than mine.

  62. @Gordo

    If there isn’t time to engage in debate a good rule of thumb is that if they are dirty and smell, have weirdly coloured hair, haven’t shaved (even the men) and the look of mental illness in their swivelling eyes, they are not the Fascists.

    That’s more or less what I thought, but @A123 seems to have a different idea.

    • Replies: @A123
  63. @Corvinus

    … massive voter fraud is a myth …

    Do you mean that voter fraud has not been massive? Or that it will not be massive?

    (Don’t misunderstand me. I have little preference between Trump and Biden, unfortunately, so am uninterested in the president’s theatrics regarding the potential for voter fraud. However, voter fraud has occurred in some other countries as far as I know; so if it might happen here, I’d like to know about it.)

  64. A123 says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    The Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa are the new blackshirts (1)

    Both Hitler and Mussolini were perhaps the original and most dedicated ideological warriors for social justice. But the German National Socialists and Italian Fascists represented more than a brutal force that sent stormtroopers and blackshirt thugs to shout down rivals, block free speech, break shop windows, throw tear gas at opponents, and bash heads. They also represented a nationalist, collectivist and Marxist-inspired ideology that sought a “socially just” welfare society by redistributing everyone’s wealth.

    You cannot have National Socialism without first having Socialism. Fascism is actually a form of far-left extremism. It is diametrically opposed to the fundamental concept of individual liberty that is core to the political right.

    The Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa hate the idea of Constitutional Rights for individuals. To Antifa, all property belongs to the state. Invading and damaging personal property is consistent with their core Fascist belief system. Free Speech is also anathema to them. Those who dare to speak against their SJW authoritarian dogma must be silenced or coerced into conformity.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/11/lk-samuels/the-original-social-justice-warriors-hitler-and-mussolini/

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  65. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    Just put the troll on ignore.  He isn’t worth your time to read, let alone refute or rebuke.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  66. dfordoom says: • Website
    @anon

    My answer is that if the feds even hint at pulling a tyranny they risk contagion. Do you really imagine the military would attack the LEOs of, say, TX or CA after they lawfully secede?

    They won’t need to. They could easily crush the secessionist states with economic sanctions. And they will force the rest of the world to impose sanctions as well. No foreign power would dare to recognise the governments of the secessionist states. No corporation will dare to do business with or in those secessionist states. Those secessionist states would find themselves economically strangled very quickly.

    Remember, the federal government has the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency which means they have the magic money printers. The secessionist states will have Mickey Mouse currencies that no foreign government will accept.

    And that’s without adding in the fact that the federal government will immediately begin fomenting color revolutions in the secessionist states. The federal government has the FBI and all those intelligence agencies and will have the support of an assortment of NGOs.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @A123

    Fascism is actually a form of far-left extremism.

    Sort of. In a way. Kinda. Maybe. If you define leftism in a particular way. Fascism (in its classical form as represented by Mussolini) certainly tends towards collectivism. Mussolini always considered himself to be a socialist. But he certainly abandoned Marxism. Maybe it’s better to think of Mussolini-style fascism as being neither Left nor Right, but an attempt to borrow from both leftism and rightism to create a wholly new ideology.

    It is diametrically opposed to the fundamental concept of individual liberty that is core to the political right.

    The fundamental concept of individual liberty is the core of liberalism. If you believe passionately in individual liberty you’re a liberal. Libertarianism is just the lunatic fringe of liberalism.

    But there’s economic liberalism (worship of the free market) and there’s social liberalism.

    Liberalism can be seen as a right-wing ideology (and it is most certainly not leftist). American conservatives are economic liberals. These days they’re also social liberals (Trump is an extreme social liberal). These days the British Conservative Party is also both economically and socially liberal.

  68. @Not my economy

    I think they’re overcompensating for 2016. In 2016, they needed to cheat to win but they didn’t (significantly) cheat so they didn’t win. This time they don’t need to cheat to win, but they’re going to because they’re still traumatized by the last election and don’t want to leave anything to chance.

    • Replies: @anon
  69. anon[928] • Disclaimer says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Didn’t anyone pay attention to the 2018 election? I did. There was a massive door-to-door “get out the vote” effort by the D’s in my flyover state, where guys with clipboards ticked off names one by one.

    There was also a statistically impossible set of outcomes here. Every race that was not settled on election night eventually was won by a D. Late arriving ballot counts, late counted provisional ballots, “technical problems” that delayed counting for some hours…in every close race from Congressional rep down to county commission, every single one went for the D’s by the end of the week in my area. The whole set of tricks was rolled out.

    This time the big bucks have been flowing. Some D state legislators who have been in office for over a decade got primaried by young and not particularly bright activists. The money obviously is behind them, and the R’s have a weak set of nominees.

    With the insanity of mail-in ballots, I expect murkier results in some races for days after the election. Other races are pretty clearly going to be won by D’s no matter what. A one-party state can be liveable if enough competent people are let through the gate into government, but I’m not seeing that; it’s all activists with Wokemon points – dim but right color and female? Wrong color and not to bright but female and “married” lesbian? Etc. and so forth.

    I doubt any violence in this area no matter how the election turns out, because apathy reigns – but who cares, really.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  70. @LondonBob

    Giving women the vote was a big mistake

    Was giving men the vote a good idea?

    there is a reason God clearly designates women as second class citizens in all three Abrahamic religions.

    “voting” and “citizenship” are pagan ideas. There was no such thing in any of the Abrahamic religious traditions.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  71. There will not be any revolution or civil war over Trump or anything else.

    In the United States, there is at least 600 million guns, possibly one billion, and millions of psychopaths and crazies.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161031054743/http://weaponsman.com/?p=33875

    And the total death toll of the puny ass “riots” is … dunn dunn dunn … TWENTY ONE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_racial_unrest

    America is not Syria, Iraq, Yemen or Somalia. America is not even Mexico or Colombia. You will not see any glorious revolution, any grand civil war.
    Deal with it.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @botazefa
  72. @Kent Nationalist

    Is there anything about which women aren’t more wrong than men?

    LOL.

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/7243/gender-gap-varies-support-war.aspx

    Gender Gap Varies on Support for War

    All this keyboard Rambo muscle flexing and shitting on women voting in these threads is laughable.
    There is no one more easily controlled and manipulated than men.
    Just wave big flag and tell them that “honor” is at stake, and there is no limit what will they do. No limit at all.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Anonymous
  73. Dr. Doom says:

    Nothing can ever happen until it does. Continuity bias.

    A day before the War goes HOT, everyone says its impossible.

    A day after, and everyone becomes Nostradamus, saying they knew for years.

    Its just human nature I guess. Believing the status quo will go on and on.

    Until it doesn’t. Like the Fall of The Berlin Wall. The demise of The Soviet Union.

    Things happen quicker now. Things resolve themselves in days not years.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  74. Talha says:

    News cycle if Trump wins…how the Taliban interfered with the elections:

    Peace.

  75. dfordoom says: • Website
    @another anon

    Giving women the vote was a big mistake

    Was giving men the vote a good idea?

    Good point. Democracy is a concept based entirely on wishful thinking. Democracy’s epitaph will be “it seemed like a good idea at the time.”

    • LOL: Talha
  76. dfordoom says: • Website
    @another anon

    All this keyboard Rambo muscle flexing and shitting on women voting in these threads is laughable.

    I tend to agree. Human beings are irrational creatures capable of occasional moments of rationality. Men and women are irrational in slightly different ways. When men and women behave rationally they do so in different ways, because they have different priorities. And the priorities that men have are in no way superior to or more rational than the priorities women have.

    You have to keep in mind that the far right contains a sizeable number of bitter losers who want to find someone else to blame. Some blame the Jews, some blame Mexicans, sone blame women, some invent bizarre conspiracy theories.

    The far right’s big problem is the absurdly poor level of its human capital.

    • Replies: @another anon
    , @iffen
  77. Truth says:
    @Getaclue

    The only way Trump loses is by MASSIVE FRAUD.

    (Or the polls staying where they are now…)

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  78. Truth says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    A black man didn’ t become president, a CIA Khazar’s grandson did.

  79. @dfordoom

    This was the norm when only white men could vote. Mindless flag waving, jingoism and militarism, retarded wars over nothing.

    In modern wars, the war mongers need to invent some reason why the war is in self defense (they want to destroy our freedom! they are building WMD and will give them to terrists! if we do not fight, dominoes will fall and crush us!).
    Not so in the good old times – wars then were about nothing than nation, flag, honor.

    Good riddance to all this crap.

    The far right’s big problem is the absurdly poor level of its human capital.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-rights-human-capital-problem/

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Alexander Turok
  80. Talha says:
    @another anon

    In modern wars, the war mongers need to invent some reason why the war is in self defense

    True, but they seem to pull it off fairly regularly…so does it matter? I’d personally just like to have it on the table rather than be told lies.

    poor level of its human capital.

    There is something about this image:
    That looks like the white version of stuff like this:
    🤷‍♂️

    Peace.

  81. Realist says:
    @botazefa

    That is too funny. but their appearance together was a long time ago. I doubt they have anything in common now.

    • Agree: botazefa
  82. Corvinus says:
    @Curle

    “‘Massive’ voter fraud isn’t the objective. ‘Just enough’ voter fraud is the objective.”

    So now the goal posts have changed, I see.

    Regardless, I thought that we are not to trust the media, any Democrat/liberal, and/or an anonymous source? So when you link to a New York Post article which has supposedly “an insider” tells about what they did, we are to automatically believe them?

    Of course, there is voter suppression and voter fraud that does occur, especially on a local basis. But what is required here is the type of evidence that demonstrates perpetual and exceptionally large-scale national efforts by a political party. What proof are you able to muster?

    More importantly, what sources are you able to provide to counter directly the assertions made here?

    https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/myth-voter-fraud

    https://www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobach-voter-fraud-kansas-trial

    https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/494189-lets-put-the-vote-by-mail-fraud-myth-to-rest

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/10/29/the-voter-fraud-myth

  83. Corvinus says:
    @Mr. Rational

    “He isn’t worth your time to read, let alone refute or rebuke.”

    Seeing how you are ignorant of how the world actually works a’int no way to live, friend!

  84. botazefa says:
    @another anon

    America is not Syria, Iraq, Yemen or Somalia. America is not even Mexico or Colombia. You will not see any glorious revolution, any grand civil war.
    Deal with it.

    You should put a time limit in your prediction.

    All the ingredients for state failure of the US exist now. Maybe the ratios of the recipe’s constituent parts aren’t quite there yet – middle class still exist, services still flow to the people, we still have faith in the Dollar, etc.

    However… Our managerial class is becoming less competent, perhaps intentionally so. The powerful have succeeded in throwing blame off of them and onto white men. The national debt is unpayable without massive inflation. Our universities are more interested in diversity politics than educating our future. People aren’t reading. Our children are addicted to their handheld propaganda and tracking devices. Scientists are becoming the new priest class. These are just some of the ingredients of impending state failure.

    It seems obvious that we’ve passed peak humanity. Whatever is in the future may make Revolution look quaint by comparison.

    I wish I shared your apathy.

  85. @another anon

    I’m sure they have all kinds of justifications for their war, which may be retarded, but is a lot less retarded than Iraq. There, if someone wins, they get the land. What did Americans get out of the Iraq war “victory?”

  86. Anonymous[933] • Disclaimer says:
    @another anon

    I’ve had a number of conversations with people on political subjects, and I’ve consistently found that a woman is far more likely to think her being emotionally distressed by my argument counts as a refutation. You see this in men, too, but it’s less common, maybe 15% rather than 50% of the population. It makes me seriously doubt whether the addition of women to the voting pool has been positive.

    People want to treat voting rights as if they are personal rights comparable to the right to free speech, freedom of religion, etc. But it’s fundamentally different because the right to vote means other people have to live under the laws you indirectly vote to create. Should those emoting women run their own lives? Sure. Should I be subject to their immune-to-reason political opinions? A rather different question.

    That said, the advocacy of repealing the 19th is quite LARPy. They didn’t start talking about gay marriage when they first got off the boats in NYC 1881. How about making the family court systems in red states less unfair to men?

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  87. @dfordoom

    I suspect the US federal government looks more competent and capable from Australia than it does from inside America. The US can’t control Iraq or Afghanistan, far away places where the things that happen are largely unknown to American citizens. State-sponsored violence against Americans would be wildly unpopular. A state or bloc of states announcing secession would send the dollar crashing through the floor. The rot is deep. I think we’re going to see just how deep by the end of this decade.

  88. @anon

    Yes, IIRC it was something like 24 of 25 races extending through to the next day broke Democrat. Is there a good write up of that somewhere? I wish I’d made the time for it.

  89. Talha says:

    I just saw a clip of Trump on TV. Covid made him more orange. 🤯

    Peace.

  90. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    The far right’s big problem is the absurdly poor level of its human capital.

    And for good reason and it’s a “good thing.”

    What is not a good thing is the behavior and actions of the human capital on the normal right.

    The totalitarian left is winning because they are organized and have leadership, even if most of the leadership are opportunists, and they have ideas and policies and proposals.

    The right has the tinkle-on-down economic plan which stopped working about 40 years ago. And they have the “rebuild the little platoons” idea, but never explain why the little platoons failed and disappeared in the first place, and why it wouldn’t happen again. Insufficient numbers of the UMC believe that they “need” the lower middle class and lumpen, and of those that do, few want to soil their hands by extending it to the lower classes.

    • Agree: dfordoom

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