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From one AE to another: There’s a way to avoid wounding the enormous egos of your parents without being cast in their shadow every time you’re introduced to a classmate or kid in the neighborhood. Go by “Ash”.

 
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  1. Elon’s pretty crazy, but can you legally have Arabic numerals and non-standard alphabet characters on your birth certificate? I have a hard time believing the whole thing isn’t some sort of joke.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren't hyphenated?
    , @Glt
    May be location dependent, but at least some places you can. I personally know someone with a non standard character.
    , @Neuday
    The kid better memorize Alt-0198. Good luck going to the DMV and getting La'Cheniqua to enter it in the UI.
  2. Nam says:

    Ecks Ash
    Ecksash
    Eckesachs

    “The poem is often interpreted as an explanation of the name of Dietrich’s sword, Eckesachs. This originally meant “sword with a sharp edge”, but when ecke took on the meaning it has in modern German (corner), the name was reinterpreted as meaning “the sword of Ecke”. The name Eckesachs never appears in the text however, though the sword is referred to as “Hern Ecken sachs” (Sir Ecke’s sword). Eckesachs was apparently famous enough to be referenced in Heinrich von Veldeke’s Eneis (c. 1186), which predates the Eckenlied.”

    Would be at least cool and honourable if true, albeit still weird.

  3. @songbird
    Elon's pretty crazy, but can you legally have Arabic numerals and non-standard alphabet characters on your birth certificate? I have a hard time believing the whole thing isn't some sort of joke.

    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren’t hyphenated?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Yes.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren’t hyphenated?
     
    That might depend on the form you fill out. (Is "Rob Roy" one name, or two? I met one once, but didn't ask.)

    We gave our daughter three names, after an ancestress on each side who conveniently shared a middle name. The city health department's paper form only gave us two fields, though.

    My wife squeezed the first two names into the first field, with a space. So evidently that's her legal first name. What the feds think is unclear; you can't tell from her SSA card.

    And the Church? Eerily, the priest flipped the names at the moment of baptism. So little AB is BA to them. Which matches her patron saint. I think it was an unconscious but telling slip.


    As for Musk, he's just being an Æ-hole.

    , @Pericles
    The proud parents should insist that those are nonbreaking spaces (U+0040) rather than mere ordinary space (U+0020). Or even better, also include a mix of narrow no-break space (U+202F), figure space (U+2007), and word joiners (U+2060).
    , @Kratoklastes
    Having a space in a given name must be OK - St John (no dot) is a common enough middle name among the English upper middle-class.

    It must also be OK to have a space in a last name, for the same reason: Lord St John of Fawlsey's family name was St John-Stevas.

    So... spaces (and hyphens) are definitely OK.

    It's hard to believe that ligatures like æ and œ would be 'permitted': government information systems - having been coded by fucking amateurs - won't be able to reliably render them. After all, it is astronomically rare that any information system is set up to reliably use a preferred name in place of a first given name, even if their hack-sourced webpages have a 'preferred name' field.

    So 'if 'preferred-name' is not null, use it instead of 'first-name' in correspondence' was something that was beyond the competencies of the vast vast bulk of shit, hack, third-grade coders ... anyone think they accounted for ligatures?

    There's also the fact that a person can go around calling themselves whatever they like - including on contracts, if the other party permits it. It's only government shit where these rules exist - fuck them.

    So call your kid 4arctan(1): tell the government his name is Pi, and teach him to sign documents "I got your π right here, bitch".

    Bizarrely, in Australia and elsewhere that stupid hunks of meat claim to have 'fought fer freedumb', there are a range of purely-alphabetic names that parents are not permitted to label the government's new livestock. 'Adolf' is an example.

    If you don't get to name a thing, it's not yours. (And since it's the kid's name, if the kid doesn't like it, it can change it... but not to anything that the kid's owners don't allow).
  4. With Mr. Epigone’s advice, later in life, a job in housewares is entirely appropriate to get out of your parents’ shadow.

    I would personally recommend dropping any reference to the A-12.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_A-12_Avenger_II

    • LOL: songbird
  5. @songbird
    Elon's pretty crazy, but can you legally have Arabic numerals and non-standard alphabet characters on your birth certificate? I have a hard time believing the whole thing isn't some sort of joke.

    May be location dependent, but at least some places you can. I personally know someone with a non standard character.

    • Replies: @songbird
    Come to think of it, CA has that weird law that was passed allowing "mother" and "father" to be changed to "parent 1" and "parent 2", so I guess, keeping that in mind, it becomes more believable.
  6. I like the A-12 part. Anybody named after that airplane had better be fast, though.

    Elon claims his music chick babe momma came up with it. The name strikes me as something a middle-class American girl of my generation would have tattooed next to one of her breasts. She would be into witchcraft, and she would read tarot cards. It fits when I look at the mother. I knew the type.

    Of course, it also appropriate coming from a man who has convinced millions of suckers that his electric cars make any sense at all, and who has gotten their government to subsidize the whole enterprise with their tax money.

    It is: Perfectly meaningless, with the sheen of technology. Faux logos.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    It's quite sad that this idiot has appropriated the name "Tesla".

    I guess poor Nikola had no family who could sue.
  7. @Tusk
    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren't hyphenated?

    Yes.

  8. @Glt
    May be location dependent, but at least some places you can. I personally know someone with a non standard character.

    Come to think of it, CA has that weird law that was passed allowing “mother” and “father” to be changed to “parent 1” and “parent 2”, so I guess, keeping that in mind, it becomes more believable.

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    No Parent 3, 4, or 5? Triggered. Of course there being a Parent 6 is absurd nonsense that only proponents of the slippery-slope fallacy could ever believe would happen.

    Also this ridiculous "name" might easily be a hoax in order to protect the privacy of the child who actually has a normal human name. Is there anything in the public record that definitively shows that this is the child's actual legal name?
  9. @songbird
    Come to think of it, CA has that weird law that was passed allowing "mother" and "father" to be changed to "parent 1" and "parent 2", so I guess, keeping that in mind, it becomes more believable.

    No Parent 3, 4, or 5? Triggered. Of course there being a Parent 6 is absurd nonsense that only proponents of the slippery-slope fallacy could ever believe would happen.

    Also this ridiculous “name” might easily be a hoax in order to protect the privacy of the child who actually has a normal human name. Is there anything in the public record that definitively shows that this is the child’s actual legal name?

  10. @Buzz Mohawk
    I like the A-12 part. Anybody named after that airplane had better be fast, though.

    Elon claims his music chick babe momma came up with it. The name strikes me as something a middle-class American girl of my generation would have tattooed next to one of her breasts. She would be into witchcraft, and she would read tarot cards. It fits when I look at the mother. I knew the type.

    Of course, it also appropriate coming from a man who has convinced millions of suckers that his electric cars make any sense at all, and who has gotten their government to subsidize the whole enterprise with their tax money.

    It is: Perfectly meaningless, with the sheen of technology. Faux logos.

    It’s quite sad that this idiot has appropriated the name “Tesla”.

    I guess poor Nikola had no family who could sue.

  11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_A.E.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/After_Earth

    [MORE]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AE:_Apocalypse_Earth

    AE: Apocalypse Earth is a 2013 American science fiction film produced by The Asylum and directed by Thunder Levin, starring Adrian Paul and Richard Grieco. It a mockbuster of After Earth and Oblivion.

  12. Go by “Ash”.

    Or “Lig”, for ligature.

    Don’t move to Denmark or Norway, where you’ll be alphabetized after Z.

    From one AE to another:

    Better yet, both of you can look back to a third:

    George William Russell who wrote with the pseudonym Æ, was an Irish writer, editor, critic, poet, painter and Irish nationalist.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_William_Russell

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9C9GdkXoAAst8X.jpg

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  13. @Tusk
    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren't hyphenated?

    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren’t hyphenated?

    That might depend on the form you fill out. (Is “Rob Roy” one name, or two? I met one once, but didn’t ask.)

    We gave our daughter three names, after an ancestress on each side who conveniently shared a middle name. The city health department’s paper form only gave us two fields, though.

    My wife squeezed the first two names into the first field, with a space. So evidently that’s her legal first name. What the feds think is unclear; you can’t tell from her SSA card.

    And the Church? Eerily, the priest flipped the names at the moment of baptism. So little AB is BA to them. Which matches her patron saint. I think it was an unconscious but telling slip.

    As for Musk, he’s just being an Æ-hole.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    Yeah what I'm thinking is that if you gave your child a name, lets say John Thomas Jones, I would assume the name grouping would be (John)(Thomas)(Jones) first/middle/last, not (John Thomas)(Jones). If you wanted to give your child a fast name like John-Thomas I would presume you hyphen it like I just did. It doesn't make much sense to me to have your one first name be multiple names with spaces, completely defeats the point, as such surely it would have to be hyphenated.
  14. @Tusk
    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren't hyphenated?

    The proud parents should insist that those are nonbreaking spaces (U+0040) rather than mere ordinary space (U+0020). Or even better, also include a mix of narrow no-break space (U+202F), figure space (U+2007), and word joiners (U+2060).

    • LOL: Tusk
  15. With a name like Ash I sure hope his first word is either “Groovy”… or…”Boomstick!”.

  16. @Reg Cæsar

    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren’t hyphenated?
     
    That might depend on the form you fill out. (Is "Rob Roy" one name, or two? I met one once, but didn't ask.)

    We gave our daughter three names, after an ancestress on each side who conveniently shared a middle name. The city health department's paper form only gave us two fields, though.

    My wife squeezed the first two names into the first field, with a space. So evidently that's her legal first name. What the feds think is unclear; you can't tell from her SSA card.

    And the Church? Eerily, the priest flipped the names at the moment of baptism. So little AB is BA to them. Which matches her patron saint. I think it was an unconscious but telling slip.


    As for Musk, he's just being an Æ-hole.

    Yeah what I’m thinking is that if you gave your child a name, lets say John Thomas Jones, I would assume the name grouping would be (John)(Thomas)(Jones) first/middle/last, not (John Thomas)(Jones). If you wanted to give your child a fast name like John-Thomas I would presume you hyphen it like I just did. It doesn’t make much sense to me to have your one first name be multiple names with spaces, completely defeats the point, as such surely it would have to be hyphenated.

    • Replies: @A123

    It doesn’t make much sense to me to have your one first name be multiple names with spaces, completely defeats the point, as such surely it would have to be hyphenated.
     
    Make Sense?

    A birth certificate is government paperwork. When have government forms made sense?

    You are waaaay too optimistic.

    PEACE 😷
  17. A123 says:
    @Tusk
    Yeah what I'm thinking is that if you gave your child a name, lets say John Thomas Jones, I would assume the name grouping would be (John)(Thomas)(Jones) first/middle/last, not (John Thomas)(Jones). If you wanted to give your child a fast name like John-Thomas I would presume you hyphen it like I just did. It doesn't make much sense to me to have your one first name be multiple names with spaces, completely defeats the point, as such surely it would have to be hyphenated.

    It doesn’t make much sense to me to have your one first name be multiple names with spaces, completely defeats the point, as such surely it would have to be hyphenated.

    Make Sense?

    A birth certificate is government paperwork. When have government forms made sense?

    You are waaaay too optimistic.

    PEACE 😷

  18. Was the kid bio-engineered to run on batteries?

    Will the kid’s kid be named “x Æ A-12 Jr.” or “x Æ A-12 II”?

    If Elon Musk were black, his kid would be Malcolm x Æ A-12.

    Actually, it’s a great idea. I think all elites should give their kids such names. Better to identify them.

    It’s hilarious… blacks and elites competing in the game of Name Creativity.

  19. Χ = greek ‘chi’ (pronounced Ki)
    Æ = latin dipthong (pronounced aye like fine)
    A-12 = alphabet-12 = 12th value in english alphabet = L

    the kid’s name is Kyle.

    sound it out.

    great troll. I hope he put it down like that on the birth certifiacte/gov-forms

    • Replies: @Neuday

    Χ = greek ‘chi’ (pronounced Ki)
    Æ = latin dipthong (pronounced aye like fine)
    A-12 = alphabet-12 = 12th value in english alphabet = L

    the kid’s name is Kyle.

    sound it out.

    great troll. I hope he put it down like that on the birth certifiacte/gov-forms
     
    Might as well have named the kid Dormroom Bongload. What a pretentious stoner.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    In this sign he will conquer.
  20. @songbird
    Elon's pretty crazy, but can you legally have Arabic numerals and non-standard alphabet characters on your birth certificate? I have a hard time believing the whole thing isn't some sort of joke.

    The kid better memorize Alt-0198. Good luck going to the DMV and getting La’Cheniqua to enter it in the UI.

  21. @x Æ A-12
    Χ = greek 'chi' (pronounced Ki)
    Æ = latin dipthong (pronounced aye like fine)
    A-12 = alphabet-12 = 12th value in english alphabet = L

    the kid's name is Kyle.

    sound it out.

    great troll. I hope he put it down like that on the birth certifiacte/gov-forms

    Χ = greek ‘chi’ (pronounced Ki)
    Æ = latin dipthong (pronounced aye like fine)
    A-12 = alphabet-12 = 12th value in english alphabet = L

    the kid’s name is Kyle.

    sound it out.

    great troll. I hope he put it down like that on the birth certifiacte/gov-forms

    Might as well have named the kid Dormroom Bongload. What a pretentious stoner.

  22. Proving yet again the truism that the naming of a child is a blow from which they never recover.

  23. @Tusk
    More importantly, can you have spaces in your name that aren't hyphenated?

    Having a space in a given name must be OK – St John (no dot) is a common enough middle name among the English upper middle-class.

    It must also be OK to have a space in a last name, for the same reason: Lord St John of Fawlsey’s family name was St John-Stevas.

    So… spaces (and hyphens) are definitely OK.

    It’s hard to believe that ligatures like æ and œ would be ‘permitted’: government information systems – having been coded by fucking amateurs – won’t be able to reliably render them. After all, it is astronomically rare that any information system is set up to reliably use a preferred name in place of a first given name, even if their hack-sourced webpages have a ‘preferred name’ field.

    So ‘if ‘preferred-name’ is not null, use it instead of ‘first-name’ in correspondence‘ was something that was beyond the competencies of the vast vast bulk of shit, hack, third-grade coders … anyone think they accounted for ligatures?

    There’s also the fact that a person can go around calling themselves whatever they like – including on contracts, if the other party permits it. It’s only government shit where these rules exist – fuck them.

    So call your kid 4arctan(1): tell the government his name is Pi, and teach him to sign documents “I got your π right here, bitch“.

    Bizarrely, in Australia and elsewhere that stupid hunks of meat claim to have ‘fought fer freedumb‘, there are a range of purely-alphabetic names that parents are not permitted to label the government’s new livestock. ‘Adolf’ is an example.

    If you don’t get to name a thing, it’s not yours. (And since it’s the kid’s name, if the kid doesn’t like it, it can change it… but not to anything that the kid’s owners don’t allow).

  24. @x Æ A-12
    Χ = greek 'chi' (pronounced Ki)
    Æ = latin dipthong (pronounced aye like fine)
    A-12 = alphabet-12 = 12th value in english alphabet = L

    the kid's name is Kyle.

    sound it out.

    great troll. I hope he put it down like that on the birth certifiacte/gov-forms

    In this sign he will conquer.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
    https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/25/elon-musk-and-grimes-change-baby-name-to-fit-california-law/

    Elon Musk and Grimes pushed the envelope thaaaaat much too far because it turns out their baby's name is against the law!!!

    As you know, Elon and Grimes had a baby boy earlier this month, whom they named X Æ A-12 Musk.

    But then, people started digging in and found under California law, birth names must be limited to the following characters ... abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.
     
    https://imagez.tmz.com/image/26/4by3/2020/05/25/26da61a53489411fb0ae24788df2c29d_md.jpg

    Grimes clearly got the message, because someone noticed a change and asked, "Did you change the baby name because of California law? What is the baby's new name?" She replied, "X Æ A-Xii," adding, "Roman numerals. Looks better tbh."

    As for what it all means ... the X stands for an unknown variable, Æ is like AI, and if you know anything about Musk he's intrigued and concerned about it.

    Grimes explained A-12 -- "A-12 = precursor to SR-17 (our favorite aircraft). No weapons, no defenses, just speed. Great in battle, but non-violent."

    The "A" has musical significance to Grimes ... it stands for "Archangel," her favorite song.

    As for how to pronounce ... Musk told Joe Rogan, "I mean it's just X, the letter X. And then, the Æ is, like, pronounced 'Ash'... and then, A-12, A-12 is my contribution."
     
  25. @Audacious Epigone
    In this sign he will conquer.

    https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/25/elon-musk-and-grimes-change-baby-name-to-fit-california-law/

    Elon Musk and Grimes pushed the envelope thaaaaat much too far because it turns out their baby’s name is against the law!!!

    As you know, Elon and Grimes had a baby boy earlier this month, whom they named X Æ A-12 Musk.

    But then, people started digging in and found under California law, birth names must be limited to the following characters … abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz.

    Grimes clearly got the message, because someone noticed a change and asked, “Did you change the baby name because of California law? What is the baby’s new name?” She replied, “X Æ A-Xii,” adding, “Roman numerals. Looks better tbh.”

    As for what it all means … the X stands for an unknown variable, Æ is like AI, and if you know anything about Musk he’s intrigued and concerned about it.

    Grimes explained A-12 — “A-12 = precursor to SR-17 (our favorite aircraft). No weapons, no defenses, just speed. Great in battle, but non-violent.”

    The “A” has musical significance to Grimes … it stands for “Archangel,” her favorite song.

    As for how to pronounce … Musk told Joe Rogan, “I mean it’s just X, the letter X. And then, the Æ is, like, pronounced ‘Ash’… and then, A-12, A-12 is my contribution.”

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