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From a SurveyUSA poll covering just California–likely the state presenting the best case in the country for how illegal immigration hurts blacks–the percentages of respondents who support the construction of a wall along the US-Mexico border, by race (“not sure” responses, constituting 10% of the total, are excluded):

The Old America alliance Trump tried for, that of legacy Americans–including blacks–against the newcomers, isn’t materializing. There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.

Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.

 
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  1. • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The view count on that video is insane. The nineties, playing cards at the shop late at night during summers I hoped would never end. Nostalgia hit.
  2. These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    • Troll: Hail
    • Replies: @silviosilver

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.
     
    A Bianca (((Amann))) promoting open borders and sounding warnings about "nazis" reminds you foremost of cat ladies, eh?
    , @Pericles

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

     

    So push through it, braveheart, or just huddle on the floor getting bullied by cat ladies.
    , @Tyrion 2
    Tbh, Trump is just using disingenuous hyperbole. This type of wriggling is a common tool of political bargaining - it is most often used (successfully) by progressive types.

    However, well phrased question from Bianca: "What value is there in restricting legal immigration?"

    Well, none, as long as legal is defined as "someone who will add indisputable value to the people of the country."

    Legal is good as long as the law is well written. She is attempting to skip that undeniable proviso to create a gotcha.

    A lot of Twitter seems to be people posing nonsense in hard to unpick ways. Either that, or she's really stupid.
    , @anon
    We!? -introduced nazis into the conversation?Goodwins law was coined in 1990 for usenet posts. By the late 70s in my late teens I had already noticed the cudgel of nazis was the first tool leftists picked up.
    The channer kids have it exactly right - Fuck That! We laugh at your nazi whining we agree and amplify your acusations and modestly propose we gas the kikes again.
    That the normies havnt gotten the joke yet doesnt matter eventually they will and will laugh too we re all sick of being told we are nazis and whip and rape our slaves
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Trump is done and he knows it.

    It is now vitally important to unify around a candidate to challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary from the patriotic Sam Francis/Pat Buchanan position.

    Trump has called for massively increasing legal immigration and he refuses to deport illegal alien invaders. There are upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA, and Trump will not deport them.

    Trump has stabbed his voter base in the back and he has sided with anti-White globalizers such as Jared Kushner, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Shelly Adelson.

    The GOP voters are primed and ready to counter-attack against the GOP donors and the GOP politician whores.

    Mount up and ride to the sound of the guns!

    Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration. It is up to patriotic voters and patriotic political leaders to counter-attack against the evil treasonous globalizer rats who push nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Honestly, we own this one."

    Honestly, we don't. The nazi label is applied vigorously and repeatedly to any white person who has the audacity to not immediately fall into a seizure of apologetic self hate.

    The Covington student event illustrates this perfectly. Just the fact that those kids breathe air is enough to have them associated with Nazis.
    , @Hypnotoad666
    The Left has been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with a "Nazi/Fascist/Racist/White Supremacist" since GW Bush at least (probably Nixon, really). They will do so forever regardless of what anyone on the right does -- or, at least until these words lose all meaning and they have to make up some new insults.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... all that Nazi imagery ..."

    I've been harping on this in these pages for months. Not only the Nazi imagery but the Confederate flags and regalia. If you want to build a white identitarian movement that can grow into something vital be smarter in regards to symbols and message. Charlottesville was a trap for the alt-right, and people like Richard Spenser, a creation of the Obama DOJ in my view, were the pied pipers leading the dummies right into it. By the way, the cat ladies are with us. But beware of the creepy dog women.
  3. There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an “Old America” is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians) – if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics – as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it’s encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I’m not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it’s nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics – which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.
     
    If wishes were horses!

    the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians)
     
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it's getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    You'll just have to worry about the Indians and "Jungle Asians."
    , @Thomm

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.
     
    Most of China is below the 40th parallel (i.e most of China is substantially closer to the equator than to the North Pole).

    Hong Kong and Guangzhou, the richest parts of the Chinese world, are in fact below the Tropic of Cancer.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.
    , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait ... maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a "Hispanic"! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren't nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They're just a relatively shittier version of "us". Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It's white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn't a statement in favour of open borders - but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
    , @c matt
    The advantage of Hispanics is that there is a not insignificant number of white Hispanics. Of that group, there is a not insignificant number who identify more white than Hispanic (finding "Hispanic" a bit of a contrived grouping). You will have a difficult time finding a not insignificant number of "white Blacks" or "white Asians." Even in woke California, 37% (more than 1/3) agree with the wall. It would be interesting to see the same question posed to Texas, although it may be surprising lower giving that whites and Hispanics, I am betting, get along better in Texas than in California.
    , @Priss Factor
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.

    There is cucktic alliance.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    " American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians) – if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity."

    There has been enough evidence observed to confidently refute this notion over the last 50 plus years.
    , @Rosie

    From one perspective, I guess it’s encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult.
     
    I don't really think there is an implied insult. One might mistakenly assume there is if one believes that affirmative racial pride and desire for continuity isn't real, but rather a phony cover for antipathy to the other.

    I'm not in the least bit offended by the desire of China to remain Chinese or Nigeria to remain black, but then perhaps that is a poor comparison. Hispanics may harbor a preexisting inferiority complex as a result of which they see an insult that is not intended, but that, of course, is their problem.

    On the other hand, there is indeed a very clear insult to Whites implied in the idea that our disappearance from the face of the Earth should be of no concern even to ourselves let alone anyone else.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Among the more quant-oriented/autistic/nerdy end of the dissident right it's not vanishingly rare. The alt right anime meme isn't pulled out of thin air, though your point is well taken.
  4. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    A Bianca (((Amann))) promoting open borders and sounding warnings about “nazis” reminds you foremost of cat ladies, eh?

    • Replies: @216
    try again
  5. Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.

    I recently learned a new term here – “black pill.”

    Don’t go black pill – I am here for you. 🙂

    And I don’t think I’m the only one. Didn’t Anatoly Karlin post a graph of Generation Z voting intentions from the last presidential election that showed that Asian males by a slight majority favored MAGA/Trump?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    Are White Folks allowed to use the term "Black Pill," or, for that matter, to use one?
  6. • Replies: @silviosilver
    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell, because then I could rest assured that immigration boosters would be roasting in an especially hot part of it.

    It disgusts me so much that they can get away with shit-tier logic like "unemployment's too low, we need immigrants" without ever - as in, not once in history - being required to demand the corollary policy when unemployment is too high (ie send immigrants home).

  7. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    If wishes were horses!

    the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians)

    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    You’ll just have to worry about the Indians and “Jungle Asians.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    If wishes were horses!
     
    Actually, given enough time (ie a very long time), it'll probably happen. Look at Latin America. Blacks were never as rigidly excluded there, but there was still quite considerable anti-black sentiment which was openly expressed. And yet blacks there are often fervent patriots of their respective countries.

    Black racial unity will probably have to breakdown as a precursor. As blacks gain greater mainstream acceptance (on the street level, not just at elite levels and in the media/entertainment industries), and as black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    Thus far, blacks have been able to use the threat of social exclusion to one-drop marginal blacks back into the fold, but as that threat evaporates, fewer and fewer marginal blacks will see any obvious reason "stay black." Just the other day I came stumbled across a black singer/rapper on youtube calling herself - get this - Lightskin Keisha. Lol. It's hard to interpret that as saying anything other than "yeah maybe I'm 'black,' but I'm not, you know, black." It wouldn't take much to shove people like that towards the mulatto escape hatch.
    , @Anon
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world. But in globalized culture, even Chinese boys look to NBA stars as model of manhood. And Asian women dream of coming to the West and hooking up with white men. Because Asian women have global value whereas Asian men don't, we have guys in Japan and South Korea trying to be effete and gayish. Since they have no value as men, they try to score points as girly-boys. Also, Japanese women are leading the way in producing babies with black men. As these mulattoes are so much better than Japanese in sports, they are taking over as the face of Japanese athleticism and manhood. This depresses Japanese male pride even further. It was bad enough to lose Sumo titles to Mongols. Now, Japanese men lose their women to blacks, and these women produce black kids who beat Japanese in Japanese sports and become the new face of globo-Japan. And South Korea is importing African runners to run for Korea. So, the globo-face of South Korea will be black as sports define so much of modern culture and identity. Look what black takeover of Western sports did to white psyche. Whites got cucked and wussy.

    South Korea has birthrate below 1.0. An imitation-nation of the US, it once became hardlline Christian in imitation of the US. Now that US is ruled by globo-homo ideology, South Koreans are imitating with the fervor of Korean Christians of old. Mindless and doglike. If there's METOO here, there is METOO in South Korea as well. As South Korea becomes diverse via mass immigration that is pushed by its elites who are no different from those in Sweden and UK, it will become like Latin America in no time. And since South Korea will be demographically so different from homogeneous North Korea, the two Koreans will never unite. Only 6% of South Korean youths say they identify with North Koreans as fellow nationals. They were weaned on PC and taught to identify globally than nationally.
    Both Christianity and globo-homo turned Korean identity from nationalism to universalism by rules of PC. At this point, both South Korea and Japan are finished. The trends in manhood, demography, and ideology are so dire that they will fade away at record pace as civilizations.
    And there is also the factor of elitism. With so many of men and women going to college in JP and SK, people would rather commit suicide and die or move to another nation if they can't have a 'clean' job at home. With so many women entering the workforce, men have less opportunity to get work and get married.
    So, in the end, Jungle Asians will take over SK and Japan. And a huge hit in SK was a movie called PUNCH about a half-filipino kid. SK is pushing hard for diversity and vilifying nationalism as 'xenophobia'. As 80% of Korean youths identify as 'progressive', it's game over for that country. As the older generation dies out, SK will become another Ireland, UK, or Sweden. As Korean elites are status-starved dogs, their main desire is to be accepted and approved by the globo-homo hegemonists who rule the world.

    But then, the older generation is also to blame in both Japan and SK(and Taiwan too). As hardline capitalist-materialists, they stressed economy and wealth and status above all else. So, new generations of Asians grew up with slavish admiration for anything with most power and wealth. And that was the US. As US came under Jewish globo-homo control, Asians began to imitate all those values. In a materialist society, one's core identity is status, not blood. In Israel, rich Jews and poor Jews are first and foremost Jews. But in modern East Asia, status comes first. An affluent Japanese or Korean would rather have his children identify with winners of other nations and races than with losers of their own race.
  8. @silviosilver

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.
     
    A Bianca (((Amann))) promoting open borders and sounding warnings about "nazis" reminds you foremost of cat ladies, eh?

    try again

    • Replies: @Hail
    Evidence in favor of SilvioSilver's insinuation that Bianca Amann is Jewish:

    (1) Amann is sometimes a Jewish surname.

    Here are two Weimar Republic Jews named Amann:

    - Betty Amann, actress who emigrated to the USA in the mid 1930s;

    - Paul Amann, a Viennese Jew and academic who emigrated to France months before the outbreak of war in 1939, and by 1941 winds up in the USA with his family.

    There were 2,671 AMMANs in the USA in 2000 as counted by the Census. How many are Jewish? I don't know, but it seems certain at least some are. Some counted by Census 2000 will have been descendants of this Paul Amman (1884-1958), leftist Jewish academic banned by the Nazis and emigrant to the USA, and/or the unrelated Betty Amann (1907-1990), who by the early 1940s is no longer acting, perhaps because she was raising children? Bianca Amann could plausibly even be the great-granddaughter of the former or granddaughter of the latter.

    (2) Bianca Amann looks plausibly Jewish:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1087880146055397376/xxcoD1KV_400x400.jpg

    (3) Biana Amman is involved not only in angrily far-left politics, but in a Jewish mutual admiration society wing thereof. A cursory scroll-down of her Twitter feed shows that Bianca Amann follows and retweets Jewish journo-thugs like John Podhoretz, ultra-Jew Julia Ioffe, and Alexis Levinson (BuzzFeed). Here is her comment to a retweet by Levinson, in a typical attack on nationalist Congressman Steve King:
    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1057781145696268288


    Bianca Amann @GoldenRuleLover
    Replying to @BuzzFeedBen @alexis_levinson

    Disgusting. #CanKing

    31 Oct 2018
     

    (4) Bianca Amman lists her "location" on Twitter as "United States not Russia," which is bizarre.

    This choice of hers suggests (to me) either a distinct detachment from reality, or perhaps more likely a hardcore, no-compromise, propaganda-at-all-times disposition more characteristic of a certain kind of political Jew we all (ought to, by now) know well, more than any kind of ethnic-Christian "cat lady." Bianca could still be the latter, but if so would be a definite far-outlier. If Bianca is of at least partial Jewish origin, her angry politicization would be more towards the center of the Jewish bell curve on this sort of thing.
    __________

    Points against Bianca Amann being Jewish:

    (1) Most AMMANs are Christians. A wikipedia listing shows many with this surname were associated with the German armed forced in the 1930s to 1945, including an Iron Cross recipient and a general.

    (2) Bianca Amann does not post much about Jewish issues. Here is her only tweet of the last ten days dealing with Jews:

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1090821589900226565

  9. Notice how we are never allowed anything, even when we win the rigged game

    https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1093254470509756422

    https://twitter.com/imillhiser/status/1093255143318061058

    Here’s a concept, Millhiser, SELF DETERMINATION of PEOPLES. Importing an occupying army doesn’t give you the right to govern my people.

  10. @Anonymous
    https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1093342471705321473

    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell, because then I could rest assured that immigration boosters would be roasting in an especially hot part of it.

    It disgusts me so much that they can get away with shit-tier logic like “unemployment’s too low, we need immigrants” without ever – as in, not once in history – being required to demand the corollary policy when unemployment is too high (ie send immigrants home).

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    Low unemployment! Now there's a social problem that needs fixing...

    We need moar immigrants to raise our unemployment levels?
    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell,
     
    There is.
  11. Notice how Black Hate ™ John Legend isn’t ratio’d here

    The AOC Hate Machine is all about the targeted harassment, but Simple Jack protects his own.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    Junior needs to take after dad here:

    "Stick to singing, genius."
  12. @Twinkie

    if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.
     
    If wishes were horses!

    the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians)
     
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it's getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    You'll just have to worry about the Indians and "Jungle Asians."

    If wishes were horses!

    Actually, given enough time (ie a very long time), it’ll probably happen. Look at Latin America. Blacks were never as rigidly excluded there, but there was still quite considerable anti-black sentiment which was openly expressed. And yet blacks there are often fervent patriots of their respective countries.

    Black racial unity will probably have to breakdown as a precursor. As blacks gain greater mainstream acceptance (on the street level, not just at elite levels and in the media/entertainment industries), and as black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    Thus far, blacks have been able to use the threat of social exclusion to one-drop marginal blacks back into the fold, but as that threat evaporates, fewer and fewer marginal blacks will see any obvious reason “stay black.” Just the other day I came stumbled across a black singer/rapper on youtube calling herself – get this – Lightskin Keisha. Lol. It’s hard to interpret that as saying anything other than “yeah maybe I’m ‘black,’ but I’m not, you know, black.” It wouldn’t take much to shove people like that towards the mulatto escape hatch.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.
     
    You do know that an average “black” person in America has a substantial fraction of white ancestry and is a mulatto already, right? (Though that percentage varies quite a bit regionally.)

    Mulattos are some of the most fervent defenders and leaders of “blackness.” Have you ever seen what kind of “black” people lead the NAACP?

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/104830276-132.html

    https://www.trbimg.com/img-5c119a57/turbine/bal-ben-jealous-talks-with-reporters-after-his-debate-with-governor-larry-hogan-20180924
    , @iffen
    I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.
  13. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.

    Most of China is below the 40th parallel (i.e most of China is substantially closer to the equator than to the North Pole).

    Hong Kong and Guangzhou, the richest parts of the Chinese world, are in fact below the Tropic of Cancer.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.

    • Replies: @Anon
    China originated in the area of Beijing and the Yellow River valley. It expanded southwards and colonized the Yangtze River area relatively recently. There is a sharp climatic difference between northern and central China. A mountain barrier shelters the Yangtze Valley from the Siberian winds that pour across the Yellow River valley from the Mongolian plateau in the winter.

    Beijing, Seoul and the Seoul metro area, where about half of South Korea’s population lives, have colder winters than London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels, and Reykjavik.

    Beijing has colder winters than Stockholm, and is about as cold as Oslo in the winter. Seoul is about as cold as Stockholm in the winter.

    Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, has colder winters than Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki.

    Then there are places in northeastern China like Shenyang, Changchun, and Harbin that have a lot more people and much colder winters than anywhere in Scandinavia.

    The "Arctic Alliance" idea doesn't make sense because of the different climates between northeast Asia and Europe. It actually makes more sense to call northeast Asians “Ice People” than it does to call Europeans that since northeastern Asia’s winters are colder and its winter climate is shaped by the air from the frozen plains of Siberia. It would make more sense to call Europeans “Oceanic People” or “Maritime People” since Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents. Also because of the importance of the Mediterranean and seafaring and maritime exploration and expansion in European history.

    The 3 snowiest major cities in the world are in Japan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6594729/From-mountains-Japan-New-York-state-snowiest-cities-world-revealed.html
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Is this deja vu, or was it someone else with this, Thomm? Anon, 358 explained it pretty well. I'll just add some examples: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada is at just under 50-deg. N. lattitude. So is Normandy in France. Madrid, Spain is at 40 1/2 deg. N., as is Peoria, Illiniois. Have you been to any of these places?

    As Anon wrote, climate depends on lots of things besides latitude, but prevailing winds and distance from oceans is a big part. Northern China has got those prevailing winds (same as anywhere in the world at that similar latitude) out of the west, in the winter bringing air that has been doing nothing but radiating to space and crossing ground that is cold as hell all the way across from God knows where.

    Without counting just big lakes (I assume) the farthest point from any ocean in the world in in Xinjiang in NW China, a coupla hundred miles N. of the city of Urumqi. That's kind of a neat fact. (Africa is so big, I'd have thought it would have been there, but go look at a globe.)

    Anyway, Mr. Derbyshire's "ice people" idea, at least in my mind, is about similar types of people in terms of intelligence/laziness/etc. You don't evolve in the brutal climates like Manchuria and be a slack-ass, as a people in general. (Even today, imagine the guy in Winnipeg who drives a beater with no jumper cables, flares, and blankets in the back, and never replaces his alternator belt. That's the kind you read about in the "papers"!) That does not at all mean that these ice people of different races will just naturally get along, though.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.
     
    Derb is just Fred Reed by another name. Frankly, he’s like virtually everyone who has had in-depth exposure to alien races/cultures. In other words, yeah, neither orientals nor hispanics are white, but their societies are functional and they actually do produce value - different value certainly, but value nonetheless. Negroes, on the other hand, produce nothing but chaos, violence, and disease. Negroes, now that malaria is largely vanquished, have no value whatsoever to the other sub-species of Man. I think this is a valid point, but question the value provided by Indians and Semites relative to the costs. Then again, the costs in both cases are entirely the result of idiot whites listening to the incessant screeching and importing these latter two groups by the millions into our civilization. With proper pride and respect for what we have accomplished, along with repatriation of the negro to Africa, none of this would pose any problem. Only the negro is truly fully incompatible with civilization, the others could be easily managed if whites simply summoned the self-respect to say, “shut the fuck up or go home.”
  14. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait … maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a “Hispanic”! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
     
    I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.

    One concept that should always be kept front and center in any racial debate is: numbers are of the essence. It's hard to overstress the centrality of numbers to the race and immigration debates. Numbers determine virtually everything about how race is experienced. The inherited or acquired qualities of any given race are a distant second to numbers. You could have a race literally ten times dumber and ten times more criminal than blacks, but if their total numbers were only, say, 5000 in the whole country, they wouldn't be nearly as great a cause for concern as 50 million blacks-as-we-know-them are.

    So with that out of the way, I can then point out that, if their numbers are high enough, Mexicans (more broadly, hispanics in toto) would also rank as an existential threat. If continued racial existence is the aim, then even at their present numbers hispanics are most definitely an existential threat. If whites mixed with them indiscriminately - as everything in mainstream culture encourages them to - then the resultant product would not be a "white person" as whites have been known since time immemorial. Whites will have effectively become extinct.

    Whether that counts as a "loss" or not really depends on your values and your priorities. If your priorities are to get through life with minimal disturbances, then the fact that (assimilated) hispanics are a kind of racial next-of-kin and are also cultural familiars makes them rather appealing. In other words, if you're going to be race-replaced no matter what you do, then let it be by these people. But if you prioritize racial continuity - if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out - then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    I hate making categorical statements like "then hispanics definitely are an existential threat" because it gives my beliefs a fanatical hue that is a poor reflection of my actual feelings. It's just not the case that the first thought that forms in my mind upon encountering a stranger is my assessment of their racial threat level, and that on deciding its too high I shun them or something. I just think it's very important to state what I believe are the politically relevant facts about race. And the fact that whites stand on the precipice of effective racial erasure from the earth is - or certainly ought to be - a politically relevant fact, but one which far too many people remain utterly ignorant of, blithely imagining that whites will go on existing in perpetuity - an opinion totally contrary to demonstrable fact.

    Too often in racial debates, two pro-whites end up talking past each other because, apart from establishing that the other is broadly "pro-white" (ie is sick of anti-white bs, accepts race-realism, wants immigration restricted), they have not identified what the other's ultimate political objective is. Is the objective to secure white racial existence? Or is the objective to form a pro-white political alliance that may result in something far less than long-term white racial existence? Obviously, there isn't always time to establish such things in the midst of the rapid-fire back-and-forth that forms the vast bulk of internet commentary. But for those with more than a passing interest in the issue, it's very important to decide where one stands on this issue, and to determine where an essayist or an opinion-leader stands.
    , @Pericles
    'Hispanics' is a category made up by some US bureaucracy.
    , @Stan d Mute

    It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
     
    Uh, yeah, you’re clearly living in the bubble there CanuckFrog. Come on down (or up if you’re in Windsor) to the real world of the HBD Mitten. Your Canuck negroes are pathetic. I once scared the crap out of a carload of fellow Detrioters in Canuckistan. We bogarted a parking space from a carload of Canuckistani negroes who began ooking & eeking furiously at us. My buddies all fully expected a drive-by shooting to ensue. They were begging me to flee and save our lives. As an experienced explorer, I knew we were okay. I turned off the car, got out, faced the feral carload, and was threatened, “You better give us our spot or we’ll call the police on you!” As I said, your negroes are defective up there ... maybe it’s too cold and their brains have been frozen white or something. My utterly stunned friends got out of the car, shell shocked, and we proceeded to our objective with me knowingly smirking and them as if just having seen Martians.

    The street-shitting Hinpoohs and camel piss drinking Semites can be civilized to an extent even in large numbers (the Cuck Islanders proved that centuries ago). But as even your frozen brained negroes have been showing up there in Mooseville as their population swells, 70,000+ years of divergent evolution is just a bridge too far.
    , @Jay Fink
    I am thankful we have Hispanic immigrants here and not mostly Muslim immigrants like Europe. I like Hispanics because they value female beauty and sexiness unlike Muslims who push female modesty.
  15. @silviosilver

    If wishes were horses!
     
    Actually, given enough time (ie a very long time), it'll probably happen. Look at Latin America. Blacks were never as rigidly excluded there, but there was still quite considerable anti-black sentiment which was openly expressed. And yet blacks there are often fervent patriots of their respective countries.

    Black racial unity will probably have to breakdown as a precursor. As blacks gain greater mainstream acceptance (on the street level, not just at elite levels and in the media/entertainment industries), and as black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    Thus far, blacks have been able to use the threat of social exclusion to one-drop marginal blacks back into the fold, but as that threat evaporates, fewer and fewer marginal blacks will see any obvious reason "stay black." Just the other day I came stumbled across a black singer/rapper on youtube calling herself - get this - Lightskin Keisha. Lol. It's hard to interpret that as saying anything other than "yeah maybe I'm 'black,' but I'm not, you know, black." It wouldn't take much to shove people like that towards the mulatto escape hatch.

    black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    You do know that an average “black” person in America has a substantial fraction of white ancestry and is a mulatto already, right? (Though that percentage varies quite a bit regionally.)

    Mulattos are some of the most fervent defenders and leaders of “blackness.” Have you ever seen what kind of “black” people lead the NAACP?

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/104830276-132.html

    https://www.trbimg.com/img-5c119a57/turbine/bal-ben-jealous-talks-with-reporters-after-his-debate-with-governor-larry-hogan-20180924

  16. You do know that an average “black” person in America has a substantial fraction of white ancestry and is a mulatto already, right?

    That’s why “colorism” has long been an issue within the black community. If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it’s a sociopolitical game-changer.

    Mulattos are some of the most fervent defenders and leaders of “blackness.” Have you ever seen what kind of “black” people lead the NAACP?

    Those are politically engaged actors. If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear “light” or “mixed” (to a non-black). This is my impression from observing racial dynamics between blacks on the internet and reading (more like, slogging through) scholarly discourse on Latin American race-relations (which isn’t necessarily applicable to N. America). I would dearly love to see some actual data.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it’s a sociopolitical game-changer.
     
    More “if”?

    If you look at casual attitudes among blacks
     
    Have you interacted with blacks in person?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear “light” or “mixed” (to a non-black)."

    My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.
  17. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Probably a partition is your best bet at this point. Unfortunately, by the time it becomes the obvious solution, it will be too late – there will be an oppressive police state enacted to crush you and any dissent. Sad how most people can only see a crisis when it directly confronts them. They should have been working on this effort years ago as this result has been predictable for quite some time.

  18. Well,

    there’s s demographic that makes sense. I would contend that regardless of the emotional appeal about President Trump, restricting immigration, including legal immigration in my view is the best interests of black citizens – no question.

    Get over this nonsense that blacks and illegal immigrants from Mexico or anywhere else with a lighter shade is in the same boat — they are not.

    Should have built that wall . . . many many many presidents ago.

  19. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait ... maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a "Hispanic"! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren't nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They're just a relatively shittier version of "us". Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It's white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn't a statement in favour of open borders - but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.

    One concept that should always be kept front and center in any racial debate is: numbers are of the essence. It’s hard to overstress the centrality of numbers to the race and immigration debates. Numbers determine virtually everything about how race is experienced. The inherited or acquired qualities of any given race are a distant second to numbers. You could have a race literally ten times dumber and ten times more criminal than blacks, but if their total numbers were only, say, 5000 in the whole country, they wouldn’t be nearly as great a cause for concern as 50 million blacks-as-we-know-them are.

    So with that out of the way, I can then point out that, if their numbers are high enough, Mexicans (more broadly, hispanics in toto) would also rank as an existential threat. If continued racial existence is the aim, then even at their present numbers hispanics are most definitely an existential threat. If whites mixed with them indiscriminately – as everything in mainstream culture encourages them to – then the resultant product would not be a “white person” as whites have been known since time immemorial. Whites will have effectively become extinct.

    Whether that counts as a “loss” or not really depends on your values and your priorities. If your priorities are to get through life with minimal disturbances, then the fact that (assimilated) hispanics are a kind of racial next-of-kin and are also cultural familiars makes them rather appealing. In other words, if you’re going to be race-replaced no matter what you do, then let it be by these people. But if you prioritize racial continuity – if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out – then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    I hate making categorical statements like “then hispanics definitely are an existential threat” because it gives my beliefs a fanatical hue that is a poor reflection of my actual feelings. It’s just not the case that the first thought that forms in my mind upon encountering a stranger is my assessment of their racial threat level, and that on deciding its too high I shun them or something. I just think it’s very important to state what I believe are the politically relevant facts about race. And the fact that whites stand on the precipice of effective racial erasure from the earth is – or certainly ought to be – a politically relevant fact, but one which far too many people remain utterly ignorant of, blithely imagining that whites will go on existing in perpetuity – an opinion totally contrary to demonstrable fact.

    Too often in racial debates, two pro-whites end up talking past each other because, apart from establishing that the other is broadly “pro-white” (ie is sick of anti-white bs, accepts race-realism, wants immigration restricted), they have not identified what the other’s ultimate political objective is. Is the objective to secure white racial existence? Or is the objective to form a pro-white political alliance that may result in something far less than long-term white racial existence? Obviously, there isn’t always time to establish such things in the midst of the rapid-fire back-and-forth that forms the vast bulk of internet commentary. But for those with more than a passing interest in the issue, it’s very important to decide where one stands on this issue, and to determine where an essayist or an opinion-leader stands.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    numbers are of the essence.
     
    Both the number and the type of people to be assimilated matter. Do you want 1,000 Chechens or 10,000 Japanese in your town?

    the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics
     
    Let me disabuse of this notion:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Mk9Tp71MJA/Td0Ir375qYI/AAAAAAAABmc/ATJ1miZxbHg/s1600/assimilation_by_birthplace.JPG

    Among the major immigrant groups, Hispanics (Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans) have the lowest assimilation indices per the long-running Manhattan Institute study. The exception is Cubans, but their assimilation index continues to decline everytime the survey is done. The next tier is the Indians and Chinese, whose assimilation indices are closer to those of Hispanics than other Asians.

    The upper tier is made up of Canadians, Filipinos, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Cubans. The bifurcation into two clusters of theses major immigrant groups is pretty pronounced.

    , @Stan d Mute

    But if you prioritize racial continuity – if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out – then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.
     
    One could make the argument that our chief goal should be survival in our homelands. If anything, threatened the extinction of the native North, Central, and South Americans. We have invaded them and are racially replacing them either entirely or by amalgamation. Mestizos aren’t Indios. Indios almost certainly will become extinct. Worse still, we introduced the negro on these continents - a primitive invasive sub-species that could never have arrived here on its own.

    What we are doing is abdicating our role as a more advanced invasive sub-species on this hemisphere and allowing the scavenging sub-species to take over. As incomprehensible as that is, we are simultaneously allowing, nay encouraging, the invasion of our homelands in Europe. Something has gone disastrously wrong with us that what we see and recognize in every animal species isn’t recognized in us. We’ve created hundreds of sub-species of dog and jealously protect them, we have massive federal bureaucracies and enforce with violence the protection of sub-species of snails, but some colossal retard had the idea that all of Man was Created the same and billions of halfwits nodded in agreement.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Great post.

    The question is an open one for many on our side of the divide even if they don't entirely realize it yet. Is Derb, for example, serving his posterity well by providing them with POC protection? If it's be conquered or be exterminated, decisions have to be made.

    I share your sentiments about striking the right rhetorical approach--these are existentially serious questions but they don't strike normies as such.
  20. @Twinkie

    Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.
     
    I recently learned a new term here - "black pill."

    Don't go black pill - I am here for you. :)

    And I don't think I'm the only one. Didn't Anatoly Karlin post a graph of Generation Z voting intentions from the last presidential election that showed that Asian males by a slight majority favored MAGA/Trump?

    Are White Folks allowed to use the term “Black Pill,” or, for that matter, to use one?

  21. @silviosilver

    You do know that an average “black” person in America has a substantial fraction of white ancestry and is a mulatto already, right?
     
    That's why "colorism" has long been an issue within the black community. If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it's a sociopolitical game-changer.

    Mulattos are some of the most fervent defenders and leaders of “blackness.” Have you ever seen what kind of “black” people lead the NAACP?
     
    Those are politically engaged actors. If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear "light" or "mixed" (to a non-black). This is my impression from observing racial dynamics between blacks on the internet and reading (more like, slogging through) scholarly discourse on Latin American race-relations (which isn't necessarily applicable to N. America). I would dearly love to see some actual data.

    If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it’s a sociopolitical game-changer.

    More “if”?

    If you look at casual attitudes among blacks

    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    • Replies: @iffen
    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    I think that we can safely assume that the answer is no.

    FWIW, I live in the Deep South and have worked alongside blacks since 1967, sometimes in mostly black organizations. Since stereotypes are our stock-in-trade here at Unz it is my opinion that the lighter the skin of a black person the more likely they are to be confounded by race. Some of the most engaging and relaxed black people that I have worked with are blacker than most Africans. Some of the most resentful and prejudiced were light skinned.

    , @silviosilver

    More “if”?
     
    Lol, I stated upfront that I predict this will occur. Is that a fallacy or something in your book, such that you think you scored a point with this post?

    Have you interacted with blacks in person?
     
    Sadly, I've been forced to do so every weekend for the last couple of years. Blacks have started showing up in some serious numbers at some of my favorite nightspots. They're still a minority, but there's no more avoiding them. So I've taken a "can't beat em, join em" attitude and interact with them in a friendly way. They're good for a joke or two, but I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them, and expect them to feel just that way about me. None of the opinions I've volunteered here and based on these utterly superficial interactions.
  22. @silviosilver
    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell, because then I could rest assured that immigration boosters would be roasting in an especially hot part of it.

    It disgusts me so much that they can get away with shit-tier logic like "unemployment's too low, we need immigrants" without ever - as in, not once in history - being required to demand the corollary policy when unemployment is too high (ie send immigrants home).

    Low unemployment! Now there’s a social problem that needs fixing…

    We need moar immigrants to raise our unemployment levels?

  23. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we’ve got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    So push through it, braveheart, or just huddle on the floor getting bullied by cat ladies.

  24. @silviosilver

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
     
    I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.

    One concept that should always be kept front and center in any racial debate is: numbers are of the essence. It's hard to overstress the centrality of numbers to the race and immigration debates. Numbers determine virtually everything about how race is experienced. The inherited or acquired qualities of any given race are a distant second to numbers. You could have a race literally ten times dumber and ten times more criminal than blacks, but if their total numbers were only, say, 5000 in the whole country, they wouldn't be nearly as great a cause for concern as 50 million blacks-as-we-know-them are.

    So with that out of the way, I can then point out that, if their numbers are high enough, Mexicans (more broadly, hispanics in toto) would also rank as an existential threat. If continued racial existence is the aim, then even at their present numbers hispanics are most definitely an existential threat. If whites mixed with them indiscriminately - as everything in mainstream culture encourages them to - then the resultant product would not be a "white person" as whites have been known since time immemorial. Whites will have effectively become extinct.

    Whether that counts as a "loss" or not really depends on your values and your priorities. If your priorities are to get through life with minimal disturbances, then the fact that (assimilated) hispanics are a kind of racial next-of-kin and are also cultural familiars makes them rather appealing. In other words, if you're going to be race-replaced no matter what you do, then let it be by these people. But if you prioritize racial continuity - if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out - then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    I hate making categorical statements like "then hispanics definitely are an existential threat" because it gives my beliefs a fanatical hue that is a poor reflection of my actual feelings. It's just not the case that the first thought that forms in my mind upon encountering a stranger is my assessment of their racial threat level, and that on deciding its too high I shun them or something. I just think it's very important to state what I believe are the politically relevant facts about race. And the fact that whites stand on the precipice of effective racial erasure from the earth is - or certainly ought to be - a politically relevant fact, but one which far too many people remain utterly ignorant of, blithely imagining that whites will go on existing in perpetuity - an opinion totally contrary to demonstrable fact.

    Too often in racial debates, two pro-whites end up talking past each other because, apart from establishing that the other is broadly "pro-white" (ie is sick of anti-white bs, accepts race-realism, wants immigration restricted), they have not identified what the other's ultimate political objective is. Is the objective to secure white racial existence? Or is the objective to form a pro-white political alliance that may result in something far less than long-term white racial existence? Obviously, there isn't always time to establish such things in the midst of the rapid-fire back-and-forth that forms the vast bulk of internet commentary. But for those with more than a passing interest in the issue, it's very important to decide where one stands on this issue, and to determine where an essayist or an opinion-leader stands.

    numbers are of the essence.

    Both the number and the type of people to be assimilated matter. Do you want 1,000 Chechens or 10,000 Japanese in your town?

    the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics

    Let me disabuse of this notion:

    Among the major immigrant groups, Hispanics (Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans) have the lowest assimilation indices per the long-running Manhattan Institute study. The exception is Cubans, but their assimilation index continues to decline everytime the survey is done. The next tier is the Indians and Chinese, whose assimilation indices are closer to those of Hispanics than other Asians.

    The upper tier is made up of Canadians, Filipinos, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Cubans. The bifurcation into two clusters of theses major immigrant groups is pretty pronounced.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to "economic assimilation" (getting rich). The graph for just "cultural assimilation" is very different.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

    One needs to scroll down some way to see.

    Indeed, cultural assimilation seems to be largely a function of how little current migrant colonies are refreshed with people fresh off the boat. Of course the Japanese are slowly dwindling away, there's a production problem with them. The only outliers in this respect are Canadian (as very assimilative - for obvious reasons) and Chinese (as very unassimilated - which seems strange - perhaps a function of not having been colonised/militarily occupied by Europeans? I suspect that if "Chinese" were limited to those from Hong Kong this would be inverted.)

    , @indocon
    Don't mention this chart to stupid Senator Mike Lee of Utah who wants to keep the door open pretty much for only Indians who as we know vote Democrat at rate slightly below AA's, at the expense of Koreans/Filipinos/Vietnamese who tend to assimilate and vote more Republicans.
  25. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait ... maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a "Hispanic"! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren't nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They're just a relatively shittier version of "us". Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It's white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn't a statement in favour of open borders - but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    ‘Hispanics’ is a category made up by some US bureaucracy.

  26. Anon[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.
     
    Most of China is below the 40th parallel (i.e most of China is substantially closer to the equator than to the North Pole).

    Hong Kong and Guangzhou, the richest parts of the Chinese world, are in fact below the Tropic of Cancer.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.

    China originated in the area of Beijing and the Yellow River valley. It expanded southwards and colonized the Yangtze River area relatively recently. There is a sharp climatic difference between northern and central China. A mountain barrier shelters the Yangtze Valley from the Siberian winds that pour across the Yellow River valley from the Mongolian plateau in the winter.

    Beijing, Seoul and the Seoul metro area, where about half of South Korea’s population lives, have colder winters than London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels, and Reykjavik.

    Beijing has colder winters than Stockholm, and is about as cold as Oslo in the winter. Seoul is about as cold as Stockholm in the winter.

    Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, has colder winters than Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki.

    Then there are places in northeastern China like Shenyang, Changchun, and Harbin that have a lot more people and much colder winters than anywhere in Scandinavia.

    The “Arctic Alliance” idea doesn’t make sense because of the different climates between northeast Asia and Europe. It actually makes more sense to call northeast Asians “Ice People” than it does to call Europeans that since northeastern Asia’s winters are colder and its winter climate is shaped by the air from the frozen plains of Siberia. It would make more sense to call Europeans “Oceanic People” or “Maritime People” since Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents. Also because of the importance of the Mediterranean and seafaring and maritime exploration and expansion in European history.

    The 3 snowiest major cities in the world are in Japan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6594729/From-mountains-Japan-New-York-state-snowiest-cities-world-revealed.html

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Temperamentally and culturally, the closest Europeans to Northeast Asians are probably Russians.

    But I covered this ground already (half in jest): https://www.unz.com/isteve/kat-chow-on-npr-andrew-sullivans-model-minority-myth-ignores-poverty-of-bhutanese-americans/#comment-1844042

    Here’s my list of Asians and their Western equivalents:

    Japanese = Asian Englishmen. They are the second biggest customers of Savile Row in England. That says it all.

    Chinese = Asian Continentals, an amalgamation of Russians, French, and Germans. They are basically Asian Roman-Byzantines.

    Koreans = The (Ulster) Irishmen of Asia. They drink, they fight, they hate each other, and everyone else. They are liable to fall apart on their own, but do great things under Anglo tutelage.

    Taiwanese = If the Chinese are Asian Russians, the Taiwanese are Asian Serbo-Croats. They do well economically, but have the highest murder rate in East Asia.

    Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Indochinese (Vietnamese/Laotians/Cambodians) = Asian Balkans, I suppose. But really Asian Salvadorans. Some of them work hard, others join violent gangs. Still others (if from the mountains) hunt people in the woods.

    Thai = Asian Mexicans. Hard working, moderate IQ folks with spicy food.

    Indians = Asian equivalents of Middle Easterners in Europe. A small subset is made up of very high IQ folks of ancient tradition, but the rest are liable to be low IQ gang-rapists.

    Indonesians/Malaysians = Asian North Africans. Most are mellow, but the religious ones are scary.

    Singaporeans = Asian Swiss. Clean, corruption-free, and oh-so-superior to everyone else around them. Don’t litter – or you will pay a fine!
     
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents

     

    River Thames frost fairs
    Migrants picked up in Channel treated for hypothermia
  27. This implies fifty percent of Hispanics in the US can be considered ethnically European. It is Europeans against the world.

  28. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    Tbh, Trump is just using disingenuous hyperbole. This type of wriggling is a common tool of political bargaining – it is most often used (successfully) by progressive types.

    However, well phrased question from Bianca: “What value is there in restricting legal immigration?”

    Well, none, as long as legal is defined as “someone who will add indisputable value to the people of the country.”

    Legal is good as long as the law is well written. She is attempting to skip that undeniable proviso to create a gotcha.

    A lot of Twitter seems to be people posing nonsense in hard to unpick ways. Either that, or she’s really stupid.

  29. @Anon
    China originated in the area of Beijing and the Yellow River valley. It expanded southwards and colonized the Yangtze River area relatively recently. There is a sharp climatic difference between northern and central China. A mountain barrier shelters the Yangtze Valley from the Siberian winds that pour across the Yellow River valley from the Mongolian plateau in the winter.

    Beijing, Seoul and the Seoul metro area, where about half of South Korea’s population lives, have colder winters than London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels, and Reykjavik.

    Beijing has colder winters than Stockholm, and is about as cold as Oslo in the winter. Seoul is about as cold as Stockholm in the winter.

    Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, has colder winters than Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki.

    Then there are places in northeastern China like Shenyang, Changchun, and Harbin that have a lot more people and much colder winters than anywhere in Scandinavia.

    The "Arctic Alliance" idea doesn't make sense because of the different climates between northeast Asia and Europe. It actually makes more sense to call northeast Asians “Ice People” than it does to call Europeans that since northeastern Asia’s winters are colder and its winter climate is shaped by the air from the frozen plains of Siberia. It would make more sense to call Europeans “Oceanic People” or “Maritime People” since Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents. Also because of the importance of the Mediterranean and seafaring and maritime exploration and expansion in European history.

    The 3 snowiest major cities in the world are in Japan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6594729/From-mountains-Japan-New-York-state-snowiest-cities-world-revealed.html

    Temperamentally and culturally, the closest Europeans to Northeast Asians are probably Russians.

    But I covered this ground already (half in jest): https://www.unz.com/isteve/kat-chow-on-npr-andrew-sullivans-model-minority-myth-ignores-poverty-of-bhutanese-americans/#comment-1844042

    Here’s my list of Asians and their Western equivalents:

    Japanese = Asian Englishmen. They are the second biggest customers of Savile Row in England. That says it all.

    Chinese = Asian Continentals, an amalgamation of Russians, French, and Germans. They are basically Asian Roman-Byzantines.

    Koreans = The (Ulster) Irishmen of Asia. They drink, they fight, they hate each other, and everyone else. They are liable to fall apart on their own, but do great things under Anglo tutelage.

    Taiwanese = If the Chinese are Asian Russians, the Taiwanese are Asian Serbo-Croats. They do well economically, but have the highest murder rate in East Asia.

    Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Indochinese (Vietnamese/Laotians/Cambodians) = Asian Balkans, I suppose. But really Asian Salvadorans. Some of them work hard, others join violent gangs. Still others (if from the mountains) hunt people in the woods.

    Thai = Asian Mexicans. Hard working, moderate IQ folks with spicy food.

    Indians = Asian equivalents of Middle Easterners in Europe. A small subset is made up of very high IQ folks of ancient tradition, but the rest are liable to be low IQ gang-rapists.

    Indonesians/Malaysians = Asian North Africans. Most are mellow, but the religious ones are scary.

    Singaporeans = Asian Swiss. Clean, corruption-free, and oh-so-superior to everyone else around them. Don’t litter – or you will pay a fine!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Yeah, da Vinci was a little retarded. Michelangelo couldn't color inside the lines of his coloring books, either.
  30. @Twinkie

    numbers are of the essence.
     
    Both the number and the type of people to be assimilated matter. Do you want 1,000 Chechens or 10,000 Japanese in your town?

    the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics
     
    Let me disabuse of this notion:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Mk9Tp71MJA/Td0Ir375qYI/AAAAAAAABmc/ATJ1miZxbHg/s1600/assimilation_by_birthplace.JPG

    Among the major immigrant groups, Hispanics (Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans) have the lowest assimilation indices per the long-running Manhattan Institute study. The exception is Cubans, but their assimilation index continues to decline everytime the survey is done. The next tier is the Indians and Chinese, whose assimilation indices are closer to those of Hispanics than other Asians.

    The upper tier is made up of Canadians, Filipinos, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Cubans. The bifurcation into two clusters of theses major immigrant groups is pretty pronounced.

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

    One needs to scroll down some way to see.

    Indeed, cultural assimilation seems to be largely a function of how little current migrant colonies are refreshed with people fresh off the boat. Of course the Japanese are slowly dwindling away, there’s a production problem with them. The only outliers in this respect are Canadian (as very assimilative – for obvious reasons) and Chinese (as very unassimilated – which seems strange – perhaps a function of not having been colonised/militarily occupied by Europeans? I suspect that if “Chinese” were limited to those from Hong Kong this would be inverted.)

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.
     
    It is a composite of three - economic, cultural, and civic assimilation. You want all three.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.
     
    I think you must have a point -- as the original chart shows Canadians as only semi-assimilated, to about the same degree as Fillipinos.

    Having a critical mass of self-contained culture within the U.S. must slow down the assimilation process. But then again, there were self-contained German speaking populations in the U.S. for many years and they eventually assimilated perfectly.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome

    the Japanese are slowly dwindling away

     

    He was a one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer
    (one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer)
  31. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    We!? -introduced nazis into the conversation?Goodwins law was coined in 1990 for usenet posts. By the late 70s in my late teens I had already noticed the cudgel of nazis was the first tool leftists picked up.
    The channer kids have it exactly right – Fuck That! We laugh at your nazi whining we agree and amplify your acusations and modestly propose we gas the kikes again.
    That the normies havnt gotten the joke yet doesnt matter eventually they will and will laugh too we re all sick of being told we are nazis and whip and rape our slaves

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    The channer kids have it exactly right – Fuck That! We laugh at your nazi whining we agree and amplify your acusations and modestly propose we gas the kikes again.
     
    I appreciate your enthusiasm, but look, agree-and-amplify only works when it's obvious that you're not serious. The effect is totally lost when you come across as perfectly willing to follow through on your threat. Dailystormer types have a hard type grasping this.
  32. This is similar to the surveys that show that sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders and mass immigration. When you are the lowest of races then you don’t have to be concerned about keeping others out, as things cannot really get worse with them.

    I think the blacks think that the non white population will continue to be arse lickers to blacks like whites are now, it is highly doubtful this will be the case once no more whites exist in the world.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    When you are the lowest of races then you don’t have to be concerned about keeping others out, as things cannot really get worse with them.
     
    Counterexamples:  Tutsis in Rwanda, Whites in Rhodesia and S. Africa, and Chinese everywhere.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders

     

    ...


    South Africa shaken by anti-immigrant riots

    South African authorities have re-established order ... after a week of looting of foreign-owned shops and violence in which four people were killed.

    Crowds hit the streets, targeting immigrant-owned shops in riots recalling anti-foreigner violence in 2008 that killed about 60 people.

     

  33. @anon
    We!? -introduced nazis into the conversation?Goodwins law was coined in 1990 for usenet posts. By the late 70s in my late teens I had already noticed the cudgel of nazis was the first tool leftists picked up.
    The channer kids have it exactly right - Fuck That! We laugh at your nazi whining we agree and amplify your acusations and modestly propose we gas the kikes again.
    That the normies havnt gotten the joke yet doesnt matter eventually they will and will laugh too we re all sick of being told we are nazis and whip and rape our slaves

    The channer kids have it exactly right – Fuck That! We laugh at your nazi whining we agree and amplify your acusations and modestly propose we gas the kikes again.

    I appreciate your enthusiasm, but look, agree-and-amplify only works when it’s obvious that you’re not serious. The effect is totally lost when you come across as perfectly willing to follow through on your threat. Dailystormer types have a hard type grasping this.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  34. The Old America alliance Trump tried for, that of legacy Americans–including blacks–against the newcomers, isn’t materializing.

    Let’s not get carried away by one data point. Think of it as Marxism; the current leadership is not “doing it correctly.” We have to keep trying until we get it right!

  35. @silviosilver

    If wishes were horses!
     
    Actually, given enough time (ie a very long time), it'll probably happen. Look at Latin America. Blacks were never as rigidly excluded there, but there was still quite considerable anti-black sentiment which was openly expressed. And yet blacks there are often fervent patriots of their respective countries.

    Black racial unity will probably have to breakdown as a precursor. As blacks gain greater mainstream acceptance (on the street level, not just at elite levels and in the media/entertainment industries), and as black race-mixing creates more racial ambiguity among blacks, I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    Thus far, blacks have been able to use the threat of social exclusion to one-drop marginal blacks back into the fold, but as that threat evaporates, fewer and fewer marginal blacks will see any obvious reason "stay black." Just the other day I came stumbled across a black singer/rapper on youtube calling herself - get this - Lightskin Keisha. Lol. It's hard to interpret that as saying anything other than "yeah maybe I'm 'black,' but I'm not, you know, black." It wouldn't take much to shove people like that towards the mulatto escape hatch.

    I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.
     
    I guess you missed the part where I predicted it will come into being. That refers to the future, genius.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    MOE: +/- 1%
  36. @Twinkie

    If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it’s a sociopolitical game-changer.
     
    More “if”?

    If you look at casual attitudes among blacks
     
    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    I think that we can safely assume that the answer is no.

    FWIW, I live in the Deep South and have worked alongside blacks since 1967, sometimes in mostly black organizations. Since stereotypes are our stock-in-trade here at Unz it is my opinion that the lighter the skin of a black person the more likely they are to be confounded by race. Some of the most engaging and relaxed black people that I have worked with are blacker than most Africans. Some of the most resentful and prejudiced were light skinned.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    They're not going to share their deepest feelings about race with someone like you, lol. The great thing about the internet is it allows you catch them discussing these feelings and issues when they think no one is listening (or, given the anonymity the internet affords, don't care that anyone is). Pay attention and you'll see there's a lot more that goes into black ideas about racial identity than meets the eye.
  37. @Thomm

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.
     
    Most of China is below the 40th parallel (i.e most of China is substantially closer to the equator than to the North Pole).

    Hong Kong and Guangzhou, the richest parts of the Chinese world, are in fact below the Tropic of Cancer.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.

    Is this deja vu, or was it someone else with this, Thomm? Anon, 358 explained it pretty well. I’ll just add some examples: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada is at just under 50-deg. N. lattitude. So is Normandy in France. Madrid, Spain is at 40 1/2 deg. N., as is Peoria, Illiniois. Have you been to any of these places?

    As Anon wrote, climate depends on lots of things besides latitude, but prevailing winds and distance from oceans is a big part. Northern China has got those prevailing winds (same as anywhere in the world at that similar latitude) out of the west, in the winter bringing air that has been doing nothing but radiating to space and crossing ground that is cold as hell all the way across from God knows where.

    Without counting just big lakes (I assume) the farthest point from any ocean in the world in in Xinjiang in NW China, a coupla hundred miles N. of the city of Urumqi. That’s kind of a neat fact. (Africa is so big, I’d have thought it would have been there, but go look at a globe.)

    Anyway, Mr. Derbyshire’s “ice people” idea, at least in my mind, is about similar types of people in terms of intelligence/laziness/etc. You don’t evolve in the brutal climates like Manchuria and be a slack-ass, as a people in general. (Even today, imagine the guy in Winnipeg who drives a beater with no jumper cables, flares, and blankets in the back, and never replaces his alternator belt. That’s the kind you read about in the “papers”!) That does not at all mean that these ice people of different races will just naturally get along, though.

  38. About the bar-graph itself now, in particularly that short yellow bar. I understand that not that many (though some do) Chinese people come illegally to this country via the wide-open southern border. However, California is full of Chinese people, and they want to all make sure their grandmas, granddads, and eventually corrupt-official Dad’s money can get into America without much hassle.

    Though they don’t really have much of a dog in the fight about a serious southern border, it’s the general idea that “we can all easily get in to our bug-out place or newly conquered territory without some nasty politician screwing it up”. That’s my opinion on the reason for the low numbers there. BTW, I do have some inside knowledge on the massive influx of ILLEGAL Chinese immigrants – see The China to King Buffet Pipeline.

    • Replies: @peterike
    Far be it from me to promote the execrable New Yorker, but they DO occasionally do some good reporting. Here is a story from a few years back on the Chinese restaurant immigration pipeline.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/13/cookas-tale
  39. @iffen
    I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.

    I guess you missed the part where I predicted it will come into being. That refers to the future, genius.

    • Replies: @iffen
    I guess you missed the part where I predicted it will come into being.


    The best predictor of the future is the past, genius.


    They’re not going to share their deepest feelings about race with someone like you, lol.

    You know less than squat.

    During the race war in the military in the late 60's and early 70's, I and others bonded with some blacks. We warned them of places and times to avoid WN skin-head types looking to rumble and they did the same for us with regard to violent BN types.

  40. @iffen
    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    I think that we can safely assume that the answer is no.

    FWIW, I live in the Deep South and have worked alongside blacks since 1967, sometimes in mostly black organizations. Since stereotypes are our stock-in-trade here at Unz it is my opinion that the lighter the skin of a black person the more likely they are to be confounded by race. Some of the most engaging and relaxed black people that I have worked with are blacker than most Africans. Some of the most resentful and prejudiced were light skinned.

    They’re not going to share their deepest feelings about race with someone like you, lol. The great thing about the internet is it allows you catch them discussing these feelings and issues when they think no one is listening (or, given the anonymity the internet affords, don’t care that anyone is). Pay attention and you’ll see there’s a lot more that goes into black ideas about racial identity than meets the eye.

  41. As with all surveys, it’s really about how the questions are asked. This is another example, A.E. Does that 46% on the white bar really mean that 54% would rather the border be wide open like it is? Nah, there are probably a number who are just very precise in their interpretation and answers – say “a good border barrier with double-fence, concertina wire, 50,000 cameras, manned posts every 2 miles, and drones would be fine .. so ‘NO’”

    People like that often may NOT be good at academic multiple choice tests, which can be done right or wrong, and are very tricky to make air-tight. As a responder to a poll like this, it behooves you to think of how the data will be used. See, this is not a survey to allow a border-control arm of the US Gov’t to determine (by popular demand, which’d be stupid anyway) what kind of barrier to build. You’ve got to think “hey, if I say ‘NO’ then people will take it as I don’t support any control of that border.” Some nerdy people can’t think like this … just sayin’ …

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    I suspect the percentages of people responding to polls who really think through how the answers they provide will be interpreted is in the single digits. No doubt there is some reflexive coloring of responses ("does this make me sound waaaaycist?!"), but beyond first-order effects I doubt there is much there.
  42. @Twinkie

    If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it’s a sociopolitical game-changer.
     
    More “if”?

    If you look at casual attitudes among blacks
     
    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    More “if”?

    Lol, I stated upfront that I predict this will occur. Is that a fallacy or something in your book, such that you think you scored a point with this post?

    Have you interacted with blacks in person?

    Sadly, I’ve been forced to do so every weekend for the last couple of years. Blacks have started showing up in some serious numbers at some of my favorite nightspots. They’re still a minority, but there’s no more avoiding them. So I’ve taken a “can’t beat em, join em” attitude and interact with them in a friendly way. They’re good for a joke or two, but I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them, and expect them to feel just that way about me. None of the opinions I’ve volunteered here and based on these utterly superficial interactions.

  43. Lol, I just noticed the true edgelord color scheme of the bar chart. Nice.

    To any SJWs freaked out by it, I offer the following advice: Judge not a chart by the color of its bars, but by the character of its contents.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The people who faint from the color scheme are the same people who have an aneurysm when they hear the phrase "it's okay to be white". Screw them.
  44. @silviosilver

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.
     
    I guess you missed the part where I predicted it will come into being. That refers to the future, genius.

    I guess you missed the part where I predicted it will come into being.

    The best predictor of the future is the past, genius.

    They’re not going to share their deepest feelings about race with someone like you, lol.

    You know less than squat.

    During the race war in the military in the late 60’s and early 70’s, I and others bonded with some blacks. We warned them of places and times to avoid WN skin-head types looking to rumble and they did the same for us with regard to violent BN types.

  45. The best predictor of the future is the past, genius.

    Gee then, by that logic the idea that America might have some day embraced anti-racism, ended segregation and subjected itself to endless non-white mass immigration was just pure crazy talk.

    During the race war in the military in the late 60’s and early 70’s, I and others bonded with some blacks. We warned them of places and times to avoid WN skin-head types looking to rumble and they did the same for us with regard to violent BN types.

    Aww, the southern man with the big heart come to set me straight on the goodly nature of blacks, lol.

    Look, so what if that happened? I have no reason at all to doubt you that it did. But the fact is it doesn’t equate to blacks sharing their true feelings and beliefs about race with you. Humans hiding their true feelings and beliefs when they believe it would be impolitic to reveal them is completely commonplace.

    If I believed that Israel needs to be deconstructed, delegitimized, and dismantled, why on earth would I want to reveal that to a Jew? It would be highly impolitic. It’s the same things with blacks revealing certain things to whites. (This isn’t exactly rocket science, you know…)

  46. @Thomm

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.
     
    Most of China is below the 40th parallel (i.e most of China is substantially closer to the equator than to the North Pole).

    Hong Kong and Guangzhou, the richest parts of the Chinese world, are in fact below the Tropic of Cancer.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.

    Derb is going through a lot of mental gymnastics to get his readers to not bash him for his choices.

    Derb is just Fred Reed by another name. Frankly, he’s like virtually everyone who has had in-depth exposure to alien races/cultures. In other words, yeah, neither orientals nor hispanics are white, but their societies are functional and they actually do produce value – different value certainly, but value nonetheless. Negroes, on the other hand, produce nothing but chaos, violence, and disease. Negroes, now that malaria is largely vanquished, have no value whatsoever to the other sub-species of Man. I think this is a valid point, but question the value provided by Indians and Semites relative to the costs. Then again, the costs in both cases are entirely the result of idiot whites listening to the incessant screeching and importing these latter two groups by the millions into our civilization. With proper pride and respect for what we have accomplished, along with repatriation of the negro to Africa, none of this would pose any problem. Only the negro is truly fully incompatible with civilization, the others could be easily managed if whites simply summoned the self-respect to say, “shut the fuck up or go home.”

  47. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait ... maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a "Hispanic"! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren't nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They're just a relatively shittier version of "us". Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It's white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn't a statement in favour of open borders - but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    Uh, yeah, you’re clearly living in the bubble there CanuckFrog. Come on down (or up if you’re in Windsor) to the real world of the HBD Mitten. Your Canuck negroes are pathetic. I once scared the crap out of a carload of fellow Detrioters in Canuckistan. We bogarted a parking space from a carload of Canuckistani negroes who began ooking & eeking furiously at us. My buddies all fully expected a drive-by shooting to ensue. They were begging me to flee and save our lives. As an experienced explorer, I knew we were okay. I turned off the car, got out, faced the feral carload, and was threatened, “You better give us our spot or we’ll call the police on you!” As I said, your negroes are defective up there … maybe it’s too cold and their brains have been frozen white or something. My utterly stunned friends got out of the car, shell shocked, and we proceeded to our objective with me knowingly smirking and them as if just having seen Martians.

    The street-shitting Hinpoohs and camel piss drinking Semites can be civilized to an extent even in large numbers (the Cuck Islanders proved that centuries ago). But as even your frozen brained negroes have been showing up there in Mooseville as their population swells, 70,000+ years of divergent evolution is just a bridge too far.

  48. @neutral
    This is similar to the surveys that show that sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders and mass immigration. When you are the lowest of races then you don't have to be concerned about keeping others out, as things cannot really get worse with them.

    I think the blacks think that the non white population will continue to be arse lickers to blacks like whites are now, it is highly doubtful this will be the case once no more whites exist in the world.

    When you are the lowest of races then you don’t have to be concerned about keeping others out, as things cannot really get worse with them.

    Counterexamples:  Tutsis in Rwanda, Whites in Rhodesia and S. Africa, and Chinese everywhere.

  49. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    The advantage of Hispanics is that there is a not insignificant number of white Hispanics. Of that group, there is a not insignificant number who identify more white than Hispanic (finding “Hispanic” a bit of a contrived grouping). You will have a difficult time finding a not insignificant number of “white Blacks” or “white Asians.” Even in woke California, 37% (more than 1/3) agree with the wall. It would be interesting to see the same question posed to Texas, although it may be surprising lower giving that whites and Hispanics, I am betting, get along better in Texas than in California.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  50. @silviosilver
    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell, because then I could rest assured that immigration boosters would be roasting in an especially hot part of it.

    It disgusts me so much that they can get away with shit-tier logic like "unemployment's too low, we need immigrants" without ever - as in, not once in history - being required to demand the corollary policy when unemployment is too high (ie send immigrants home).

    Sometimes I wish there really was a hell,

    There is.

  51. @silviosilver

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
     
    I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.

    One concept that should always be kept front and center in any racial debate is: numbers are of the essence. It's hard to overstress the centrality of numbers to the race and immigration debates. Numbers determine virtually everything about how race is experienced. The inherited or acquired qualities of any given race are a distant second to numbers. You could have a race literally ten times dumber and ten times more criminal than blacks, but if their total numbers were only, say, 5000 in the whole country, they wouldn't be nearly as great a cause for concern as 50 million blacks-as-we-know-them are.

    So with that out of the way, I can then point out that, if their numbers are high enough, Mexicans (more broadly, hispanics in toto) would also rank as an existential threat. If continued racial existence is the aim, then even at their present numbers hispanics are most definitely an existential threat. If whites mixed with them indiscriminately - as everything in mainstream culture encourages them to - then the resultant product would not be a "white person" as whites have been known since time immemorial. Whites will have effectively become extinct.

    Whether that counts as a "loss" or not really depends on your values and your priorities. If your priorities are to get through life with minimal disturbances, then the fact that (assimilated) hispanics are a kind of racial next-of-kin and are also cultural familiars makes them rather appealing. In other words, if you're going to be race-replaced no matter what you do, then let it be by these people. But if you prioritize racial continuity - if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out - then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    I hate making categorical statements like "then hispanics definitely are an existential threat" because it gives my beliefs a fanatical hue that is a poor reflection of my actual feelings. It's just not the case that the first thought that forms in my mind upon encountering a stranger is my assessment of their racial threat level, and that on deciding its too high I shun them or something. I just think it's very important to state what I believe are the politically relevant facts about race. And the fact that whites stand on the precipice of effective racial erasure from the earth is - or certainly ought to be - a politically relevant fact, but one which far too many people remain utterly ignorant of, blithely imagining that whites will go on existing in perpetuity - an opinion totally contrary to demonstrable fact.

    Too often in racial debates, two pro-whites end up talking past each other because, apart from establishing that the other is broadly "pro-white" (ie is sick of anti-white bs, accepts race-realism, wants immigration restricted), they have not identified what the other's ultimate political objective is. Is the objective to secure white racial existence? Or is the objective to form a pro-white political alliance that may result in something far less than long-term white racial existence? Obviously, there isn't always time to establish such things in the midst of the rapid-fire back-and-forth that forms the vast bulk of internet commentary. But for those with more than a passing interest in the issue, it's very important to decide where one stands on this issue, and to determine where an essayist or an opinion-leader stands.

    But if you prioritize racial continuity – if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out – then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    One could make the argument that our chief goal should be survival in our homelands. If anything, threatened the extinction of the native North, Central, and South Americans. We have invaded them and are racially replacing them either entirely or by amalgamation. Mestizos aren’t Indios. Indios almost certainly will become extinct. Worse still, we introduced the negro on these continents – a primitive invasive sub-species that could never have arrived here on its own.

    What we are doing is abdicating our role as a more advanced invasive sub-species on this hemisphere and allowing the scavenging sub-species to take over. As incomprehensible as that is, we are simultaneously allowing, nay encouraging, the invasion of our homelands in Europe. Something has gone disastrously wrong with us that what we see and recognize in every animal species isn’t recognized in us. We’ve created hundreds of sub-species of dog and jealously protect them, we have massive federal bureaucracies and enforce with violence the protection of sub-species of snails, but some colossal retard had the idea that all of Man was Created the same and billions of halfwits nodded in agreement.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  52. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    Trump is done and he knows it.

    It is now vitally important to unify around a candidate to challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary from the patriotic Sam Francis/Pat Buchanan position.

    Trump has called for massively increasing legal immigration and he refuses to deport illegal alien invaders. There are upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA, and Trump will not deport them.

    Trump has stabbed his voter base in the back and he has sided with anti-White globalizers such as Jared Kushner, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Shelly Adelson.

    The GOP voters are primed and ready to counter-attack against the GOP donors and the GOP politician whores.

    Mount up and ride to the sound of the guns!

    Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration. It is up to patriotic voters and patriotic political leaders to counter-attack against the evil treasonous globalizer rats who push nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    "Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration."

    I don't recall Trump ever speaking out about legal immigration. But he did run, and win, by promising to deport ALL the illegals, and he has done almost nothing to keep that promise. So, yes, he has stabbed his base in the back, but does the average short attention span voter even notice?

    I think Trump is counting on pacifying the soft hearted suburban soccer mom vote by emphasizing the deportation of "criminals" --- as if all illegally present foreign trespassers are not criminals --- and placating the rest of us with more jobs and lower taxes --- while doing some nominal work on The Wall. Meanwhile 20 million (30 million?) illegals continue to steal jobs and services and spawn little anchor baby citizens.

    Who could possibly beat him in a primary? I think we're stuck with what we've got.
  53. @Tyrion 2
    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to "economic assimilation" (getting rich). The graph for just "cultural assimilation" is very different.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

    One needs to scroll down some way to see.

    Indeed, cultural assimilation seems to be largely a function of how little current migrant colonies are refreshed with people fresh off the boat. Of course the Japanese are slowly dwindling away, there's a production problem with them. The only outliers in this respect are Canadian (as very assimilative - for obvious reasons) and Chinese (as very unassimilated - which seems strange - perhaps a function of not having been colonised/militarily occupied by Europeans? I suspect that if "Chinese" were limited to those from Hong Kong this would be inverted.)

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.

    It is a composite of three – economic, cultural, and civic assimilation. You want all three.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I'd say that economic and civic without cultural is actually the worst of all options. Disaffinity (disloyalty?) but with more power to express it. Furthermore, since you'd expect great economic and civic assimilation to lead to more cultural assimilation it, the actual cultural results are dismal.
  54. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it’s just Derb’s self-interested cuckery at work.

    There is cucktic alliance.

    • LOL: Talha
  55. Anon[325] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.
     
    If wishes were horses!

    the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians)
     
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it's getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    You'll just have to worry about the Indians and "Jungle Asians."

    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world. But in globalized culture, even Chinese boys look to NBA stars as model of manhood. And Asian women dream of coming to the West and hooking up with white men. Because Asian women have global value whereas Asian men don’t, we have guys in Japan and South Korea trying to be effete and gayish. Since they have no value as men, they try to score points as girly-boys. Also, Japanese women are leading the way in producing babies with black men. As these mulattoes are so much better than Japanese in sports, they are taking over as the face of Japanese athleticism and manhood. This depresses Japanese male pride even further. It was bad enough to lose Sumo titles to Mongols. Now, Japanese men lose their women to blacks, and these women produce black kids who beat Japanese in Japanese sports and become the new face of globo-Japan. And South Korea is importing African runners to run for Korea. So, the globo-face of South Korea will be black as sports define so much of modern culture and identity. Look what black takeover of Western sports did to white psyche. Whites got cucked and wussy.

    South Korea has birthrate below 1.0. An imitation-nation of the US, it once became hardlline Christian in imitation of the US. Now that US is ruled by globo-homo ideology, South Koreans are imitating with the fervor of Korean Christians of old. Mindless and doglike. If there’s METOO here, there is METOO in South Korea as well. As South Korea becomes diverse via mass immigration that is pushed by its elites who are no different from those in Sweden and UK, it will become like Latin America in no time. And since South Korea will be demographically so different from homogeneous North Korea, the two Koreans will never unite. Only 6% of South Korean youths say they identify with North Koreans as fellow nationals. They were weaned on PC and taught to identify globally than nationally.
    Both Christianity and globo-homo turned Korean identity from nationalism to universalism by rules of PC. At this point, both South Korea and Japan are finished. The trends in manhood, demography, and ideology are so dire that they will fade away at record pace as civilizations.
    And there is also the factor of elitism. With so many of men and women going to college in JP and SK, people would rather commit suicide and die or move to another nation if they can’t have a ‘clean’ job at home. With so many women entering the workforce, men have less opportunity to get work and get married.
    So, in the end, Jungle Asians will take over SK and Japan. And a huge hit in SK was a movie called PUNCH about a half-filipino kid. SK is pushing hard for diversity and vilifying nationalism as ‘xenophobia’. As 80% of Korean youths identify as ‘progressive’, it’s game over for that country. As the older generation dies out, SK will become another Ireland, UK, or Sweden. As Korean elites are status-starved dogs, their main desire is to be accepted and approved by the globo-homo hegemonists who rule the world.

    But then, the older generation is also to blame in both Japan and SK(and Taiwan too). As hardline capitalist-materialists, they stressed economy and wealth and status above all else. So, new generations of Asians grew up with slavish admiration for anything with most power and wealth. And that was the US. As US came under Jewish globo-homo control, Asians began to imitate all those values. In a materialist society, one’s core identity is status, not blood. In Israel, rich Jews and poor Jews are first and foremost Jews. But in modern East Asia, status comes first. An affluent Japanese or Korean would rather have his children identify with winners of other nations and races than with losers of their own race.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    Troll and idiot.
    , @Twinkie

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world.
     
    Yup, that’s why the biggest boy band in the world now is South Korean BTS.
    , @Corvinus
    Whiskey, is that you?
  56. @Anon
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world. But in globalized culture, even Chinese boys look to NBA stars as model of manhood. And Asian women dream of coming to the West and hooking up with white men. Because Asian women have global value whereas Asian men don't, we have guys in Japan and South Korea trying to be effete and gayish. Since they have no value as men, they try to score points as girly-boys. Also, Japanese women are leading the way in producing babies with black men. As these mulattoes are so much better than Japanese in sports, they are taking over as the face of Japanese athleticism and manhood. This depresses Japanese male pride even further. It was bad enough to lose Sumo titles to Mongols. Now, Japanese men lose their women to blacks, and these women produce black kids who beat Japanese in Japanese sports and become the new face of globo-Japan. And South Korea is importing African runners to run for Korea. So, the globo-face of South Korea will be black as sports define so much of modern culture and identity. Look what black takeover of Western sports did to white psyche. Whites got cucked and wussy.

    South Korea has birthrate below 1.0. An imitation-nation of the US, it once became hardlline Christian in imitation of the US. Now that US is ruled by globo-homo ideology, South Koreans are imitating with the fervor of Korean Christians of old. Mindless and doglike. If there's METOO here, there is METOO in South Korea as well. As South Korea becomes diverse via mass immigration that is pushed by its elites who are no different from those in Sweden and UK, it will become like Latin America in no time. And since South Korea will be demographically so different from homogeneous North Korea, the two Koreans will never unite. Only 6% of South Korean youths say they identify with North Koreans as fellow nationals. They were weaned on PC and taught to identify globally than nationally.
    Both Christianity and globo-homo turned Korean identity from nationalism to universalism by rules of PC. At this point, both South Korea and Japan are finished. The trends in manhood, demography, and ideology are so dire that they will fade away at record pace as civilizations.
    And there is also the factor of elitism. With so many of men and women going to college in JP and SK, people would rather commit suicide and die or move to another nation if they can't have a 'clean' job at home. With so many women entering the workforce, men have less opportunity to get work and get married.
    So, in the end, Jungle Asians will take over SK and Japan. And a huge hit in SK was a movie called PUNCH about a half-filipino kid. SK is pushing hard for diversity and vilifying nationalism as 'xenophobia'. As 80% of Korean youths identify as 'progressive', it's game over for that country. As the older generation dies out, SK will become another Ireland, UK, or Sweden. As Korean elites are status-starved dogs, their main desire is to be accepted and approved by the globo-homo hegemonists who rule the world.

    But then, the older generation is also to blame in both Japan and SK(and Taiwan too). As hardline capitalist-materialists, they stressed economy and wealth and status above all else. So, new generations of Asians grew up with slavish admiration for anything with most power and wealth. And that was the US. As US came under Jewish globo-homo control, Asians began to imitate all those values. In a materialist society, one's core identity is status, not blood. In Israel, rich Jews and poor Jews are first and foremost Jews. But in modern East Asia, status comes first. An affluent Japanese or Korean would rather have his children identify with winners of other nations and races than with losers of their own race.

    Troll and idiot.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    South Korean TFR in 2018 was 0.96. Japan's is 1.4, but not rising. China is likely 1.2 (and falling further). Taiwan and HK are around 1.1.

    Note that much of Europe is not all that high, either. Even then, the TFR for whites in England, Ireland, France, Russia, and Scandinavia are still significant better, at 1.6-1.7, while the rate is rising in Eastern Europe as well.

    These are all disastrous asian numbers. Personally, I'm glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them. I can't think of anybody more unpleasant than an SJW asian liberal. Like a white liberals but far worse, and they almost all become this way 2nd generation.

    The "yellow century" will be over before it begins.
    , @Mr McKenna

    Troll and idiot.

     

    Presumably you've had advanced an actual argument, if you had one.
  57. @Intelligent Dasein
    Troll and idiot.

    South Korean TFR in 2018 was 0.96. Japan’s is 1.4, but not rising. China is likely 1.2 (and falling further). Taiwan and HK are around 1.1.

    Note that much of Europe is not all that high, either. Even then, the TFR for whites in England, Ireland, France, Russia, and Scandinavia are still significant better, at 1.6-1.7, while the rate is rising in Eastern Europe as well.

    These are all disastrous asian numbers. Personally, I’m glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them. I can’t think of anybody more unpleasant than an SJW asian liberal. Like a white liberals but far worse, and they almost all become this way 2nd generation.

    The “yellow century” will be over before it begins.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Personally, I’m glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them.
     
    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”
  58. @Twinkie

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.
     
    It is a composite of three - economic, cultural, and civic assimilation. You want all three.

    I’d say that economic and civic without cultural is actually the worst of all options. Disaffinity (disloyalty?) but with more power to express it. Furthermore, since you’d expect great economic and civic assimilation to lead to more cultural assimilation it, the actual cultural results are dismal.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    disloyalty
     
    That’d be the lack of civic assimilation.

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation, but they have low civic assimilation - they don’t naturalize and serve in the military at low rates. In other words, they remain as Canadians and don’t become Americans.

    Again, you want all three, which is why the study uses a composite of all three.
  59. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    “Honestly, we own this one.”

    Honestly, we don’t. The nazi label is applied vigorously and repeatedly to any white person who has the audacity to not immediately fall into a seizure of apologetic self hate.

    The Covington student event illustrates this perfectly. Just the fact that those kids breathe air is enough to have them associated with Nazis.

    • Agree: densa, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Hail

    “Honestly, we own this one.”

    Honestly, we don’t.
     

    It seems likely to me that 216 was trolling, or "concern trolling."

    To use alternative terminology, 216 was being deliberately provocative and saying something he knows to be untrue for either reasons of self-entertainment via the indignant replies he was sure to get (and did), or was consciously using hyperbole to make an off-topic, unrelated, and strawmanish point re: "optics," which everyone already agrees with -- that is, how many serious, non-TwitterTroll U.S. White racialist sympathizers and nationalists who would unironically use "Nazi imagery" and think it's a great idea? I am thinking <0.1%.

    Holding up this Bianca Amann as some kind of proxy for centrist, middle-aged White women, and implying ("these people vote") that they would get on the bandwagon of nationalist candidates if only there was no "Nazi imagery" around anywhere, is so laughable that I had to use the 'Troll' button on it.

    The correct response to someone like this histrionic Ms. Bianca Amann is clearly to point out their goofiness and/or ethnohostility, and attack right back. The wrong response? To not run for cover and beg for mercy in the face of the overwhelming power of the Kvetch.

  60. @Anon
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world. But in globalized culture, even Chinese boys look to NBA stars as model of manhood. And Asian women dream of coming to the West and hooking up with white men. Because Asian women have global value whereas Asian men don't, we have guys in Japan and South Korea trying to be effete and gayish. Since they have no value as men, they try to score points as girly-boys. Also, Japanese women are leading the way in producing babies with black men. As these mulattoes are so much better than Japanese in sports, they are taking over as the face of Japanese athleticism and manhood. This depresses Japanese male pride even further. It was bad enough to lose Sumo titles to Mongols. Now, Japanese men lose their women to blacks, and these women produce black kids who beat Japanese in Japanese sports and become the new face of globo-Japan. And South Korea is importing African runners to run for Korea. So, the globo-face of South Korea will be black as sports define so much of modern culture and identity. Look what black takeover of Western sports did to white psyche. Whites got cucked and wussy.

    South Korea has birthrate below 1.0. An imitation-nation of the US, it once became hardlline Christian in imitation of the US. Now that US is ruled by globo-homo ideology, South Koreans are imitating with the fervor of Korean Christians of old. Mindless and doglike. If there's METOO here, there is METOO in South Korea as well. As South Korea becomes diverse via mass immigration that is pushed by its elites who are no different from those in Sweden and UK, it will become like Latin America in no time. And since South Korea will be demographically so different from homogeneous North Korea, the two Koreans will never unite. Only 6% of South Korean youths say they identify with North Koreans as fellow nationals. They were weaned on PC and taught to identify globally than nationally.
    Both Christianity and globo-homo turned Korean identity from nationalism to universalism by rules of PC. At this point, both South Korea and Japan are finished. The trends in manhood, demography, and ideology are so dire that they will fade away at record pace as civilizations.
    And there is also the factor of elitism. With so many of men and women going to college in JP and SK, people would rather commit suicide and die or move to another nation if they can't have a 'clean' job at home. With so many women entering the workforce, men have less opportunity to get work and get married.
    So, in the end, Jungle Asians will take over SK and Japan. And a huge hit in SK was a movie called PUNCH about a half-filipino kid. SK is pushing hard for diversity and vilifying nationalism as 'xenophobia'. As 80% of Korean youths identify as 'progressive', it's game over for that country. As the older generation dies out, SK will become another Ireland, UK, or Sweden. As Korean elites are status-starved dogs, their main desire is to be accepted and approved by the globo-homo hegemonists who rule the world.

    But then, the older generation is also to blame in both Japan and SK(and Taiwan too). As hardline capitalist-materialists, they stressed economy and wealth and status above all else. So, new generations of Asians grew up with slavish admiration for anything with most power and wealth. And that was the US. As US came under Jewish globo-homo control, Asians began to imitate all those values. In a materialist society, one's core identity is status, not blood. In Israel, rich Jews and poor Jews are first and foremost Jews. But in modern East Asia, status comes first. An affluent Japanese or Korean would rather have his children identify with winners of other nations and races than with losers of their own race.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world.

    Yup, that’s why the biggest boy band in the world now is South Korean BTS.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I don't believe BTS's unique step into major world stardom is based on their "sexiness". They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens. No idea if they'd actually look like more successful versions of Bruce Jenner if the K Pop marketing machine were not making them though...
    , @Audacious Epigone
    I'd not known of that group's existence until just now. Five minutes later and I just want to watch the whole world burn.
  61. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    ” American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians) – if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.”

    There has been enough evidence observed to confidently refute this notion over the last 50 plus years.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    The future doesn't necessarily equal the past. If it did, nothing would ever change. That's just obvious.
  62. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    South Korean TFR in 2018 was 0.96. Japan's is 1.4, but not rising. China is likely 1.2 (and falling further). Taiwan and HK are around 1.1.

    Note that much of Europe is not all that high, either. Even then, the TFR for whites in England, Ireland, France, Russia, and Scandinavia are still significant better, at 1.6-1.7, while the rate is rising in Eastern Europe as well.

    These are all disastrous asian numbers. Personally, I'm glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them. I can't think of anybody more unpleasant than an SJW asian liberal. Like a white liberals but far worse, and they almost all become this way 2nd generation.

    The "yellow century" will be over before it begins.

    Personally, I’m glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them.

    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”
     
    Nope. Just observant, and I actually deal with nonwhites every day. An extremely unpleasant bunch.
  63. @Tyrion 2
    I'd say that economic and civic without cultural is actually the worst of all options. Disaffinity (disloyalty?) but with more power to express it. Furthermore, since you'd expect great economic and civic assimilation to lead to more cultural assimilation it, the actual cultural results are dismal.

    disloyalty

    That’d be the lack of civic assimilation.

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation, but they have low civic assimilation – they don’t naturalize and serve in the military at low rates. In other words, they remain as Canadians and don’t become Americans.

    Again, you want all three, which is why the study uses a composite of all three.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation
     
    Haha! Nice quip! Well played, sir.

    I don't know if you've ever been to Canada recently, but uhh... our immigrants do *not* have "perfect cultural assimilation". If you go to Brampton, Ontario, for instance (66% South Asian), you will see that rather than assimilating to Canadian standards, they are changing Canada to South Asian standards. Not to mention we are just letting in wayyy to many.

    The 2nd generation is even worse - without a cultural identity, they turn to whitey hating and "ape" black culture. They act just like American blacks, with slightly more money.

    While your comment may have had some merit 20 years ago, the trend is now *against* assimilation. It's considered negative for a minority to be too "whitewashed" - thus they continue to speak heavily accented english and act like they do on the subcontinent. As I've said in previous comments, 3rd worlders always have a 3rd worlder waiting to jump out. They can assimilate when there is something to assimilate into. There's just not enough whites left, so they are turning Canada into a shithole.
    , @Tyrion 2
    No, civic assimilation without cultural assimilation simply means the cultural replacement of Americans. In other words, American civic and economic institutions are being subverted to the incomers' culture. It is possibly the most objectionable immigrant characteristic.
  64. @silviosilver

    You do know that an average “black” person in America has a substantial fraction of white ancestry and is a mulatto already, right?
     
    That's why "colorism" has long been an issue within the black community. If that genie breaks out of the bottle, and leads to the creation of a new identity which splits black ranks, it's a sociopolitical game-changer.

    Mulattos are some of the most fervent defenders and leaders of “blackness.” Have you ever seen what kind of “black” people lead the NAACP?
     
    Those are politically engaged actors. If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear "light" or "mixed" (to a non-black). This is my impression from observing racial dynamics between blacks on the internet and reading (more like, slogging through) scholarly discourse on Latin American race-relations (which isn't necessarily applicable to N. America). I would dearly love to see some actual data.

    “If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear “light” or “mixed” (to a non-black).”

    My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.

    • Replies: @silviosilver

    My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.
     
    So what are you saying, that in your experience "blacks" who question the notion of black racial unity are darker than average?

    Because remember, I didn't saying it was common for blacks to question black racial unity; I said that of those who do question it, from what I've observed (on the internet), most are the lighter, highly mixed variety. They openly wonder whether they really should identify as black. And the most vehement opposition I've seen comes from very black blacks.

    If you lived around them for 17 years in Chicago, I'm sure you learned a lot, but this isn't the sort of thing they're likely to talk to a white guy about. Or you disagree? Are you going to claim you've had numerous conversations with blacks about the subject of black racial unity?

  65. @Twinkie
    Temperamentally and culturally, the closest Europeans to Northeast Asians are probably Russians.

    But I covered this ground already (half in jest): https://www.unz.com/isteve/kat-chow-on-npr-andrew-sullivans-model-minority-myth-ignores-poverty-of-bhutanese-americans/#comment-1844042

    Here’s my list of Asians and their Western equivalents:

    Japanese = Asian Englishmen. They are the second biggest customers of Savile Row in England. That says it all.

    Chinese = Asian Continentals, an amalgamation of Russians, French, and Germans. They are basically Asian Roman-Byzantines.

    Koreans = The (Ulster) Irishmen of Asia. They drink, they fight, they hate each other, and everyone else. They are liable to fall apart on their own, but do great things under Anglo tutelage.

    Taiwanese = If the Chinese are Asian Russians, the Taiwanese are Asian Serbo-Croats. They do well economically, but have the highest murder rate in East Asia.

    Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Indochinese (Vietnamese/Laotians/Cambodians) = Asian Balkans, I suppose. But really Asian Salvadorans. Some of them work hard, others join violent gangs. Still others (if from the mountains) hunt people in the woods.

    Thai = Asian Mexicans. Hard working, moderate IQ folks with spicy food.

    Indians = Asian equivalents of Middle Easterners in Europe. A small subset is made up of very high IQ folks of ancient tradition, but the rest are liable to be low IQ gang-rapists.

    Indonesians/Malaysians = Asian North Africans. Most are mellow, but the religious ones are scary.

    Singaporeans = Asian Swiss. Clean, corruption-free, and oh-so-superior to everyone else around them. Don’t litter – or you will pay a fine!
     

    “Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Yeah, da Vinci was a little retarded. Michelangelo couldn’t color inside the lines of his coloring books, either.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I didn't know Da Vinci was a Filipino, Mike. ;-}

    OK, haha, I will say that the Filipinos/Filipinos I have met through life, in the US, are the type to fit in well. It must be passed down from 2 generations, but they seem to know of Americans being the good guys that helped them avoid becoming Japanese in the War in the Pacific. They definitely have a less rigid attitude about things than the more Northern Orientals, and it must just jive with American attitudes.
  66. @Twinkie

    disloyalty
     
    That’d be the lack of civic assimilation.

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation, but they have low civic assimilation - they don’t naturalize and serve in the military at low rates. In other words, they remain as Canadians and don’t become Americans.

    Again, you want all three, which is why the study uses a composite of all three.

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation

    Haha! Nice quip! Well played, sir.

    I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Canada recently, but uhh… our immigrants do *not* have “perfect cultural assimilation”. If you go to Brampton, Ontario, for instance (66% South Asian), you will see that rather than assimilating to Canadian standards, they are changing Canada to South Asian standards. Not to mention we are just letting in wayyy to many.

    The 2nd generation is even worse – without a cultural identity, they turn to whitey hating and “ape” black culture. They act just like American blacks, with slightly more money.

    While your comment may have had some merit 20 years ago, the trend is now *against* assimilation. It’s considered negative for a minority to be too “whitewashed” – thus they continue to speak heavily accented english and act like they do on the subcontinent. As I’ve said in previous comments, 3rd worlders always have a 3rd worlder waiting to jump out. They can assimilate when there is something to assimilate into. There’s just not enough whites left, so they are turning Canada into a shithole.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Canada recently, but uhh… our immigrants do *not* have “perfect cultural assimilation”.
     
    This is in reference to a study about immigrants in the U.S., and Canadian immigrants mean those who migrated from Canada to the U.S.

    Reading comprehension. Like I wrote, only the finest people.
  67. @Twinkie

    Personally, I’m glad this is happening, because these yellow people come to Canada/USA and bring their insane, psychopathic ways with them.
     
    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”

    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”

    Nope. Just observant, and I actually deal with nonwhites every day. An extremely unpleasant bunch.

    • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    Perhaps I should clarify - the nonwhites above 40 are perfectly fine, I get along well with them. They often have similar values to me.

    Under 25... well it's a constant hate whitey fest. The types of people you interact with have an effect on your opinions. If I was 45 years old, I'm sure I would have no problem with the rainbow assortment of diversity.

    Anyways, the future looks ugly. I don't think alot of boomers realize how bad it is.
  68. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    I saw your “psychopathic chinks” comment the other day, and I thought, “Alt-right. Only the best people. This will be successful.”
     
    Nope. Just observant, and I actually deal with nonwhites every day. An extremely unpleasant bunch.

    Perhaps I should clarify – the nonwhites above 40 are perfectly fine, I get along well with them. They often have similar values to me.

    Under 25… well it’s a constant hate whitey fest. The types of people you interact with have an effect on your opinions. If I was 45 years old, I’m sure I would have no problem with the rainbow assortment of diversity.

    Anyways, the future looks ugly. I don’t think alot of boomers realize how bad it is.

  69. @Twinkie

    disloyalty
     
    That’d be the lack of civic assimilation.

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation, but they have low civic assimilation - they don’t naturalize and serve in the military at low rates. In other words, they remain as Canadians and don’t become Americans.

    Again, you want all three, which is why the study uses a composite of all three.

    No, civic assimilation without cultural assimilation simply means the cultural replacement of Americans. In other words, American civic and economic institutions are being subverted to the incomers’ culture. It is possibly the most objectionable immigrant characteristic.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    That’s not what that means - those factors used as proxy measures for civic assimilation demonstrate commitment to America and becoming Americans. Immigrants who only get green cards and never intend to become citizens (as many Canadians in the U.S. do) are saying, “I like making money here, but this is not my country, and I want to keep one foot firmly back home.” And the same thing with low rates of military service.

    You want a composite of all three. You don’t want people who are going to be jobless. You don’t want people who don’t learn English and whose children or grandchildren remain bilingual and don’t intermarry, and you don’t want those uncommitted to the country who don’t even become citizens or serve all the while taking citizens’ jobs.
  70. LOL, and I enjoyed your good comments on this thread so far.

  71. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    The Left has been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with a “Nazi/Fascist/Racist/White Supremacist” since GW Bush at least (probably Nixon, really). They will do so forever regardless of what anyone on the right does — or, at least until these words lose all meaning and they have to make up some new insults.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    True, but it's still a good idea to jettison the Nazi fetishists.
    , @Corvinus
    The Alt Right as been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with, specifically normies, by way of “race traitor, Fake American, cuck, or anti-white ” since its inception. They will do so forever because white people are making their own decisions regarding race and culture, which really pisses them off. I mean, how dare they exercise "muh liberty". Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it's back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.
  72. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Filipinos = Asian Italians. Catholics who keep their heads down and do trade/service labor with good cheer. A little on the slow side.

    Yeah, da Vinci was a little retarded. Michelangelo couldn't color inside the lines of his coloring books, either.

    I didn’t know Da Vinci was a Filipino, Mike. ;-}

    OK, haha, I will say that the Filipinos/Filipinos I have met through life, in the US, are the type to fit in well. It must be passed down from 2 generations, but they seem to know of Americans being the good guys that helped them avoid becoming Japanese in the War in the Pacific. They definitely have a less rigid attitude about things than the more Northern Orientals, and it must just jive with American attitudes.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ha - I was mostly just teasing my buddy Twinkie, but I agree: The Flippos I have known are good guys - and I met them in the Marine Corps.

    True story. One of the law enforcement officers (I won't say if he's Capitol Police or Secret Service) that shot and killed Miriam Carey was Filipino. I served with him in the Marines.

  73. @Twinkie

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world.
     
    Yup, that’s why the biggest boy band in the world now is South Korean BTS.

    I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens. No idea if they’d actually look like more successful versions of Bruce Jenner if the K Pop marketing machine were not making them though…

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens.
     
    They appeal to high school and college age girls, not “pre-teens.” Just type in “BTS reaction” in YouTube and ready to be perplexed.
  74. @Tyrion 2
    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to "economic assimilation" (getting rich). The graph for just "cultural assimilation" is very different.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

    One needs to scroll down some way to see.

    Indeed, cultural assimilation seems to be largely a function of how little current migrant colonies are refreshed with people fresh off the boat. Of course the Japanese are slowly dwindling away, there's a production problem with them. The only outliers in this respect are Canadian (as very assimilative - for obvious reasons) and Chinese (as very unassimilated - which seems strange - perhaps a function of not having been colonised/militarily occupied by Europeans? I suspect that if "Chinese" were limited to those from Hong Kong this would be inverted.)

    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to “economic assimilation” (getting rich). The graph for just “cultural assimilation” is very different.

    I think you must have a point — as the original chart shows Canadians as only semi-assimilated, to about the same degree as Fillipinos.

    Having a critical mass of self-contained culture within the U.S. must slow down the assimilation process. But then again, there were self-contained German speaking populations in the U.S. for many years and they eventually assimilated perfectly.

  75. Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.

    Well, it is encouraging that Hispanics are only 10% behind Whites (admittedly, liberal California Whites), in wanting to “pull up the ladder.” They know better than anyone what’s on the other side of the border. That’s why they are here.

    • Replies: @Travis
    probably 90% of hispanics in CA are Mexican and most of those sneaking across our southern border are not Mexican today, mostly central Americans and Asians. A large number of Mexicans hate Central Americans. Just as most Cubans dislike Mexicans and Chileans hate Bolivians etc...
  76. @Achmed E. Newman
    I didn't know Da Vinci was a Filipino, Mike. ;-}

    OK, haha, I will say that the Filipinos/Filipinos I have met through life, in the US, are the type to fit in well. It must be passed down from 2 generations, but they seem to know of Americans being the good guys that helped them avoid becoming Japanese in the War in the Pacific. They definitely have a less rigid attitude about things than the more Northern Orientals, and it must just jive with American attitudes.

    Ha – I was mostly just teasing my buddy Twinkie, but I agree: The Flippos I have known are good guys – and I met them in the Marine Corps.

    True story. One of the law enforcement officers (I won’t say if he’s Capitol Police or Secret Service) that shot and killed Miriam Carey was Filipino. I served with him in the Marines.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Filipinos are overreprsented in the Navy while Koreans are over represented in the Army (esp. the officer corps). The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”
  77. Yep, they seem to fit in, though, if they came in numbers like the Mexicans, it would be different. I think there is always the aspect of BIG NUMBERS that inhibits assimilation greatly.

    BTW, correction – I meant Filipino/Filipinas (men/women) in that previous comment.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  78. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    From one perspective, I guess it’s encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult.

    I don’t really think there is an implied insult. One might mistakenly assume there is if one believes that affirmative racial pride and desire for continuity isn’t real, but rather a phony cover for antipathy to the other.

    I’m not in the least bit offended by the desire of China to remain Chinese or Nigeria to remain black, but then perhaps that is a poor comparison. Hispanics may harbor a preexisting inferiority complex as a result of which they see an insult that is not intended, but that, of course, is their problem.

    On the other hand, there is indeed a very clear insult to Whites implied in the idea that our disappearance from the face of the Earth should be of no concern even to ourselves let alone anyone else.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    If I absconded to Japan, I'd unironically support (future) immigration restriction--for Japan.
  79. @Hypnotoad666

    Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.
     
    Well, it is encouraging that Hispanics are only 10% behind Whites (admittedly, liberal California Whites), in wanting to "pull up the ladder." They know better than anyone what's on the other side of the border. That's why they are here.

    probably 90% of hispanics in CA are Mexican and most of those sneaking across our southern border are not Mexican today, mostly central Americans and Asians. A large number of Mexicans hate Central Americans. Just as most Cubans dislike Mexicans and Chileans hate Bolivians etc…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Congratulations Travis!

    So far you’re the only guy here that gets it.
  80. @216
    These people vote

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1093327495036686336

    Honestly, we own this one. It was our movements that reintroduced all that Nazi imagery, and now we've got cat ladies altruistically punishing us.

    ” … all that Nazi imagery …”

    I’ve been harping on this in these pages for months. Not only the Nazi imagery but the Confederate flags and regalia. If you want to build a white identitarian movement that can grow into something vital be smarter in regards to symbols and message. Charlottesville was a trap for the alt-right, and people like Richard Spenser, a creation of the Obama DOJ in my view, were the pied pipers leading the dummies right into it. By the way, the cat ladies are with us. But beware of the creepy dog women.

    • Agree: 216
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Dropping the Nazi imagary is a good idea, but the rebel flags, etc. are part of Southern heritage. Letting the left destroy all this history is what the original (planned-to-be-peaceful) Charlottesville gathering was to be about. It'll be George Washington, Madiston, Franklin, and Jefferson next, in case you don't give a damn about the South and Southerners.

    BTW, it's not like the rebel flag has been this thorn in the side of the left throughout history, or anything to have been ashamed of. As late as the 1970's, I'd seen black people with rebel flag plates on the front of their muscle cars - yes, black people drove muscle cars too, when they had the money. The flag and statues don't have to be the big feature of a white identify movement, if that's what you mean, but they should be defended.

    Charlottesville WAS a trap, I agree, just in that the alt-right protesters didn't have a large enough group, or anyone to call in, while the ctrl-left seems to have had their plans made ahead of time.
  81. @Hypnotoad666
    The Left has been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with a "Nazi/Fascist/Racist/White Supremacist" since GW Bush at least (probably Nixon, really). They will do so forever regardless of what anyone on the right does -- or, at least until these words lose all meaning and they have to make up some new insults.

    True, but it’s still a good idea to jettison the Nazi fetishists.

    • Replies: @Hail

    jettison the Nazi fetishists
     
    Can you give any specific examples of whom you mean?

    If you don't have anyone specific in mind, you are hacking away at a strawman. While you may mean well, this strawman-hacking business is of questionable value at best, because the more people amplify it, the more it is hardened as a rhetorical weapon-of-convenience for anyone wishing to undermine nationalists, with the latter unable to actually ever solve the 'problem' owing to its nebulousness.
  82. @216
    try again

    Evidence in favor of SilvioSilver’s insinuation that Bianca Amann is Jewish:

    (1) Amann is sometimes a Jewish surname.

    Here are two Weimar Republic Jews named Amann:

    Betty Amann, actress who emigrated to the USA in the mid 1930s;

    Paul Amann, a Viennese Jew and academic who emigrated to France months before the outbreak of war in 1939, and by 1941 winds up in the USA with his family.

    There were 2,671 AMMANs in the USA in 2000 as counted by the Census. How many are Jewish? I don’t know, but it seems certain at least some are. Some counted by Census 2000 will have been descendants of this Paul Amman (1884-1958), leftist Jewish academic banned by the Nazis and emigrant to the USA, and/or the unrelated Betty Amann (1907-1990), who by the early 1940s is no longer acting, perhaps because she was raising children? Bianca Amann could plausibly even be the great-granddaughter of the former or granddaughter of the latter.

    (2) Bianca Amann looks plausibly Jewish:

    (3) Biana Amman is involved not only in angrily far-left politics, but in a Jewish mutual admiration society wing thereof. A cursory scroll-down of her Twitter feed shows that Bianca Amann follows and retweets Jewish journo-thugs like John Podhoretz, ultra-Jew Julia Ioffe, and Alexis Levinson (BuzzFeed). Here is her comment to a retweet by Levinson, in a typical attack on nationalist Congressman Steve King:

    Bianca Amann @GoldenRuleLover
    Replying to @BuzzFeedBen @alexis_levinson

    Disgusting. #CanKing

    31 Oct 2018

    (4) Bianca Amman lists her “location” on Twitter as “United States not Russia,” which is bizarre.

    This choice of hers suggests (to me) either a distinct detachment from reality, or perhaps more likely a hardcore, no-compromise, propaganda-at-all-times disposition more characteristic of a certain kind of political Jew we all (ought to, by now) know well, more than any kind of ethnic-Christian “cat lady.” Bianca could still be the latter, but if so would be a definite far-outlier. If Bianca is of at least partial Jewish origin, her angry politicization would be more towards the center of the Jewish bell curve on this sort of thing.
    __________

    Points against Bianca Amann being Jewish:

    (1) Most AMMANs are Christians. A wikipedia listing shows many with this surname were associated with the German armed forced in the 1930s to 1945, including an Iron Cross recipient and a general.

    (2) Bianca Amann does not post much about Jewish issues. Here is her only tweet of the last ten days dealing with Jews:

    https://twitter.com/GoldenRuleLover/status/1090821589900226565

  83. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Honestly, we own this one."

    Honestly, we don't. The nazi label is applied vigorously and repeatedly to any white person who has the audacity to not immediately fall into a seizure of apologetic self hate.

    The Covington student event illustrates this perfectly. Just the fact that those kids breathe air is enough to have them associated with Nazis.

    “Honestly, we own this one.”

    Honestly, we don’t.

    It seems likely to me that 216 was trolling, or “concern trolling.”

    To use alternative terminology, 216 was being deliberately provocative and saying something he knows to be untrue for either reasons of self-entertainment via the indignant replies he was sure to get (and did), or was consciously using hyperbole to make an off-topic, unrelated, and strawmanish point re: “optics,” which everyone already agrees with — that is, how many serious, non-TwitterTroll U.S. White racialist sympathizers and nationalists who would unironically use “Nazi imagery” and think it’s a great idea? I am thinking <0.1%.

    Holding up this Bianca Amann as some kind of proxy for centrist, middle-aged White women, and implying ("these people vote") that they would get on the bandwagon of nationalist candidates if only there was no "Nazi imagery" around anywhere, is so laughable that I had to use the 'Troll' button on it.

    The correct response to someone like this histrionic Ms. Bianca Amann is clearly to point out their goofiness and/or ethnohostility, and attack right back. The wrong response? To not run for cover and beg for mercy in the face of the overwhelming power of the Kvetch.

  84. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Canadian immigrants have high economic and perfect cultural assimilation
     
    Haha! Nice quip! Well played, sir.

    I don't know if you've ever been to Canada recently, but uhh... our immigrants do *not* have "perfect cultural assimilation". If you go to Brampton, Ontario, for instance (66% South Asian), you will see that rather than assimilating to Canadian standards, they are changing Canada to South Asian standards. Not to mention we are just letting in wayyy to many.

    The 2nd generation is even worse - without a cultural identity, they turn to whitey hating and "ape" black culture. They act just like American blacks, with slightly more money.

    While your comment may have had some merit 20 years ago, the trend is now *against* assimilation. It's considered negative for a minority to be too "whitewashed" - thus they continue to speak heavily accented english and act like they do on the subcontinent. As I've said in previous comments, 3rd worlders always have a 3rd worlder waiting to jump out. They can assimilate when there is something to assimilate into. There's just not enough whites left, so they are turning Canada into a shithole.

    I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Canada recently, but uhh… our immigrants do *not* have “perfect cultural assimilation”.

    This is in reference to a study about immigrants in the U.S., and Canadian immigrants mean those who migrated from Canada to the U.S.

    Reading comprehension. Like I wrote, only the finest people.

  85. @Tyrion 2
    No, civic assimilation without cultural assimilation simply means the cultural replacement of Americans. In other words, American civic and economic institutions are being subverted to the incomers' culture. It is possibly the most objectionable immigrant characteristic.

    That’s not what that means – those factors used as proxy measures for civic assimilation demonstrate commitment to America and becoming Americans. Immigrants who only get green cards and never intend to become citizens (as many Canadians in the U.S. do) are saying, “I like making money here, but this is not my country, and I want to keep one foot firmly back home.” And the same thing with low rates of military service.

    You want a composite of all three. You don’t want people who are going to be jobless. You don’t want people who don’t learn English and whose children or grandchildren remain bilingual and don’t intermarry, and you don’t want those uncommitted to the country who don’t even become citizens or serve all the while taking citizens’ jobs.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?) But it makes no sense that a nation would want people moving into high economic and civic position yet achieving the lowest cultural assimilation. This is obvious. To disagree, you've even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave) - as if, for example, young Australians doing a couple of years working in bars in London are more objectionable than the Rotherham phenomenon! I actually offered a neutral thesis as well, but it was not enough for you.
  86. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Ha - I was mostly just teasing my buddy Twinkie, but I agree: The Flippos I have known are good guys - and I met them in the Marine Corps.

    True story. One of the law enforcement officers (I won't say if he's Capitol Police or Secret Service) that shot and killed Miriam Carey was Filipino. I served with him in the Marines.

    Filipinos are overreprsented in the Navy while Koreans are over represented in the Army (esp. the officer corps). The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Funny, I don't remember a lot of Italians in the Navy, but there probably are lots of Irish in the Army...
    , @Hail

    The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
     
    This is of relatively little value for two reasons:

    [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools.

    [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent;

    [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.

    Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.

    ______

    * Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants:

    Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total Asian

    Park: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
    Pak: 9,887 / 0.915 / 9,047
    Bak: 2,642 / 0.1681 / 444
    Back: 8540 / 0.0477 / 407
    Bahk: 138 / 0.9275 / 128
    Sum, Asian PARKs and variants: 64,319

    Kim: 194,067 / 0.9452 / 183,432
    Gim: 344 / 0.907 / 312
    Ghim: 101 / 0.928 / 94
    Keem: 189 / 0.2222 / 42
    Sum, Asian KIMs and variants: 183,880

    Ratio of Asian KIMs to Asian PARKs in the USA: 2.86
    Ratio of KIM to PARK in S.Kore (2015): 2.55 (per wiki)

    KIM is at 21-22% in South Korea itself, and the higher ratio for the USA suggests this 21-22% might need to be bumped up a few points for Koreans in the USA.

    If one accepts the figure of 2 million+ Koreans in the USA, this could mean 500,000 Korean Kims, which in turn is already competitive, numbers wise, with the highest-frequency White surnames like Smith, Jones, Miller, Brown, and Johnson (all near 1 million each). Then we have to deal with the IQ gap (and study-culture-ambition 'gap'), remembering that West Point is the Army's Harvard...

  87. @SunBakedSuburb
    True, but it's still a good idea to jettison the Nazi fetishists.

    jettison the Nazi fetishists

    Can you give any specific examples of whom you mean?

    If you don’t have anyone specific in mind, you are hacking away at a strawman. While you may mean well, this strawman-hacking business is of questionable value at best, because the more people amplify it, the more it is hardened as a rhetorical weapon-of-convenience for anyone wishing to undermine nationalists, with the latter unable to actually ever solve the ‘problem’ owing to its nebulousness.

    • Agree: Joseph Doaks
  88. @Tyrion 2
    I don't believe BTS's unique step into major world stardom is based on their "sexiness". They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens. No idea if they'd actually look like more successful versions of Bruce Jenner if the K Pop marketing machine were not making them though...

    I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens.

    They appeal to high school and college age girls, not “pre-teens.” Just type in “BTS reaction” in YouTube and ready to be perplexed.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    No perplexion from me, it looks exactly the same as the reaction to this guy, and for the same reasons.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6638281/US-vlogger-8-000-screaming-fans-bring-Birmingham-city-centre-standstill.html

    Your point, wanting to persuade us that East Asian men are the handsomest, most sexy and masculine, would be better served by other examples. There are plenty.
  89. @Twinkie
    Filipinos are overreprsented in the Navy while Koreans are over represented in the Army (esp. the officer corps). The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”

    Funny, I don’t remember a lot of Italians in the Navy, but there probably are lots of Irish in the Army…

  90. @Twinkie
    Filipinos are overreprsented in the Navy while Koreans are over represented in the Army (esp. the officer corps). The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”

    The modal surname at West Point is frequently “Kim.”

    This is of relatively little value for two reasons:

    [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools.

    [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No ‘White’ U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent;

    [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.

    Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.

    ______

    * Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants:

    [MORE]

    Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total Asian

    Park: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
    Pak: 9,887 / 0.915 / 9,047
    Bak: 2,642 / 0.1681 / 444
    Back: 8540 / 0.0477 / 407
    Bahk: 138 / 0.9275 / 128
    Sum, Asian PARKs and variants: 64,319

    Kim: 194,067 / 0.9452 / 183,432
    Gim: 344 / 0.907 / 312
    Ghim: 101 / 0.928 / 94
    Keem: 189 / 0.2222 / 42
    Sum, Asian KIMs and variants: 183,880

    Ratio of Asian KIMs to Asian PARKs in the USA: 2.86
    Ratio of KIM to PARK in S.Kore (2015): 2.55 (per wiki)

    KIM is at 21-22% in South Korea itself, and the higher ratio for the USA suggests this 21-22% might need to be bumped up a few points for Koreans in the USA.

    If one accepts the figure of 2 million+ Koreans in the USA, this could mean 500,000 Korean Kims, which in turn is already competitive, numbers wise, with the highest-frequency White surnames like Smith, Jones, Miller, Brown, and Johnson (all near 1 million each). Then we have to deal with the IQ gap (and study-culture-ambition ‘gap’), remembering that West Point is the Army’s Harvard…

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute

    The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
     
    And here I thought that they all just looked the same..
    , @Twinkie
    Excellent analysis on a quite a minor point. Doesn’t change the fact that Koreans are vastly over represented at West Point. Because of high IQ, you say? Indians and Chinese, who are also over represented at the Ivies along with Koreans, are NOT at West Point.
  91. @Hail

    The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
     
    This is of relatively little value for two reasons:

    [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools.

    [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent;

    [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.

    Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.

    ______

    * Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants:

    Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total Asian

    Park: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
    Pak: 9,887 / 0.915 / 9,047
    Bak: 2,642 / 0.1681 / 444
    Back: 8540 / 0.0477 / 407
    Bahk: 138 / 0.9275 / 128
    Sum, Asian PARKs and variants: 64,319

    Kim: 194,067 / 0.9452 / 183,432
    Gim: 344 / 0.907 / 312
    Ghim: 101 / 0.928 / 94
    Keem: 189 / 0.2222 / 42
    Sum, Asian KIMs and variants: 183,880

    Ratio of Asian KIMs to Asian PARKs in the USA: 2.86
    Ratio of KIM to PARK in S.Kore (2015): 2.55 (per wiki)

    KIM is at 21-22% in South Korea itself, and the higher ratio for the USA suggests this 21-22% might need to be bumped up a few points for Koreans in the USA.

    If one accepts the figure of 2 million+ Koreans in the USA, this could mean 500,000 Korean Kims, which in turn is already competitive, numbers wise, with the highest-frequency White surnames like Smith, Jones, Miller, Brown, and Johnson (all near 1 million each). Then we have to deal with the IQ gap (and study-culture-ambition 'gap'), remembering that West Point is the Army's Harvard...

    The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.

    And here I thought that they all just looked the same..

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-so-many-koreans-named-kim

    But not even all those who are Kims by inheritance are the same. A basic unit of the Korean traditional kinship system is the clan, or bongwan, a group whose surname signifies a common geographical origin. Thus, different Kims can trace their lineage to different places, most notably Gimhae. The southeastern city was the birthplace of Kim Su-Ro, the man recognized as the original Kim and the founder (42 CE) of Gaya, another ancient Korean kingdom. There are some 300 other Kim clans, including those who originate from Gyeongju, Andong (which actually has two Kim clans), and Gwangsan.
     
    , @silviosilver
    Well, in fairness, Korea was a very poor country until only rather recently. So I imagine multiple sets of parents were passing around the same can when it came time to name their children.
  92. Anonymous [AKA "Anon1388"] says:
    @Travis
    probably 90% of hispanics in CA are Mexican and most of those sneaking across our southern border are not Mexican today, mostly central Americans and Asians. A large number of Mexicans hate Central Americans. Just as most Cubans dislike Mexicans and Chileans hate Bolivians etc...

    Congratulations Travis!

    So far you’re the only guy here that gets it.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Why aren't they majority for-the-wall, then?
  93. @Hail

    The modal surname at West Point is frequently "Kim."
     
    This is of relatively little value for two reasons:

    [1] West Point is as intellectually selective as the Ivy League. Koreans have a several-IQ-point edge which would, all else held equal (i.e., against your implied point that Koreans are uniquely attracted to the U.S. Army and West Point specifically), already be expected to magnify their numbers, just as they are present disproportionately at all the actual Ivy League schools.

    [2] Up to one-fourth of Koreans in the USA may be surnamed Kim* which means up to half a million Korean Kims in the USA. No 'White' U.S. surname has anything but a few tenths of a percent;

    [1] and [2] combined equal a mammoth multiplier for Korean Kims at West Point. Inevitable and unsurprising that there are a lot of Kims there.

    Note: The top ten White surnames (Smith, Johnson, Miller, Brown, Jones, Williams, Davis, Anderson, Wilson, Martin) have a cumulative 8,575,000 White bearers (Census 2000), or 4.4% of the White population. The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.

    ______

    * Data from Census 2000, Kim vs. Park and variants:

    Surname: Total Number / % Asian / Total Asian

    Park: 81,890 / 0.663 / 54,293
    Pak: 9,887 / 0.915 / 9,047
    Bak: 2,642 / 0.1681 / 444
    Back: 8540 / 0.0477 / 407
    Bahk: 138 / 0.9275 / 128
    Sum, Asian PARKs and variants: 64,319

    Kim: 194,067 / 0.9452 / 183,432
    Gim: 344 / 0.907 / 312
    Ghim: 101 / 0.928 / 94
    Keem: 189 / 0.2222 / 42
    Sum, Asian KIMs and variants: 183,880

    Ratio of Asian KIMs to Asian PARKs in the USA: 2.86
    Ratio of KIM to PARK in S.Kore (2015): 2.55 (per wiki)

    KIM is at 21-22% in South Korea itself, and the higher ratio for the USA suggests this 21-22% might need to be bumped up a few points for Koreans in the USA.

    If one accepts the figure of 2 million+ Koreans in the USA, this could mean 500,000 Korean Kims, which in turn is already competitive, numbers wise, with the highest-frequency White surnames like Smith, Jones, Miller, Brown, and Johnson (all near 1 million each). Then we have to deal with the IQ gap (and study-culture-ambition 'gap'), remembering that West Point is the Army's Harvard...

    Excellent analysis on a quite a minor point. Doesn’t change the fact that Koreans are vastly over represented at West Point. Because of high IQ, you say? Indians and Chinese, who are also over represented at the Ivies along with Koreans, are NOT at West Point.

  94. @Stan d Mute

    The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
     
    And here I thought that they all just looked the same..

    https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-so-many-koreans-named-kim

    But not even all those who are Kims by inheritance are the same. A basic unit of the Korean traditional kinship system is the clan, or bongwan, a group whose surname signifies a common geographical origin. Thus, different Kims can trace their lineage to different places, most notably Gimhae. The southeastern city was the birthplace of Kim Su-Ro, the man recognized as the original Kim and the founder (42 CE) of Gaya, another ancient Korean kingdom. There are some 300 other Kim clans, including those who originate from Gyeongju, Andong (which actually has two Kim clans), and Gwangsan.

  95. @Intelligent Dasein
    Troll and idiot.

    Troll and idiot.

    Presumably you’ve had advanced an actual argument, if you had one.

  96. The Wall has succeeded only in uniting the mentally retarded, and making immigration opponents support a mentally retarded pointless proposal. More and more it seems like Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate for the open borders crowd. No President in recent history has done more damage to the cause of immigration restriction than Trump. I knew from history that everything Trump touches turns to shit, but this is unbelievable.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Quite to the contrary, even with all his blustering, all-talk/no-action disappointments for patriotic Americans on the border barrier and DACA, as candidate and President, Donald Trump has brought the immigration invasion issue to the forefront since the time he announced his candidacy 3 1/2 years ago.

    Immigration was not issue #1 just a few years back. It is now. If nothing else (which is quite possible) he's done that. The "bully pulpit" may have turned into the "bullshit pulpit", but the word is out nonetheless.

    As for being a Manchurian candidate, I've ssen the movie, and Trump doesn't seem like the type. Nope, I think he listens too much to the beltway insiders that he himself should never have hired to advise him. It's possible, especially on the foreign policy, that he's been threatened by the Deep State, that he'd better play ball with the MIC.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    Now there's some 4D chess nonsense there. No other president would have every Republican member of congress on his feet clapping in support of a wall along the US-Mexico border. He's a transitional figure. Without a transition, the country is finished. I won't make the mediocre the enemy of the perfect.
  97. @Twinkie
    That’s not what that means - those factors used as proxy measures for civic assimilation demonstrate commitment to America and becoming Americans. Immigrants who only get green cards and never intend to become citizens (as many Canadians in the U.S. do) are saying, “I like making money here, but this is not my country, and I want to keep one foot firmly back home.” And the same thing with low rates of military service.

    You want a composite of all three. You don’t want people who are going to be jobless. You don’t want people who don’t learn English and whose children or grandchildren remain bilingual and don’t intermarry, and you don’t want those uncommitted to the country who don’t even become citizens or serve all the while taking citizens’ jobs.

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?) But it makes no sense that a nation would want people moving into high economic and civic position yet achieving the lowest cultural assimilation. This is obvious. To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave) – as if, for example, young Australians doing a couple of years working in bars in London are more objectionable than the Rotherham phenomenon! I actually offered a neutral thesis as well, but it was not enough for you.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
     
    No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position
     
    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
     
    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.
     
    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
  98. @Twinkie

    I don’t believe BTS’s unique step into major world stardom is based on their “sexiness”. They look like they could be trans, which is the well-known manafactured look to appeal to pre-teens.
     
    They appeal to high school and college age girls, not “pre-teens.” Just type in “BTS reaction” in YouTube and ready to be perplexed.

    No perplexion from me, it looks exactly the same as the reaction to this guy, and for the same reasons.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6638281/US-vlogger-8-000-screaming-fans-bring-Birmingham-city-centre-standstill.html

    Your point, wanting to persuade us that East Asian men are the handsomest, most sexy and masculine, would be better served by other examples. There are plenty.

    • Troll: Twinkie
  99. @Tyrion 2
    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?) But it makes no sense that a nation would want people moving into high economic and civic position yet achieving the lowest cultural assimilation. This is obvious. To disagree, you've even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave) - as if, for example, young Australians doing a couple of years working in bars in London are more objectionable than the Rotherham phenomenon! I actually offered a neutral thesis as well, but it was not enough for you.

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?

    No, troll, Indians and Chinese – who are Asians – do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position

    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high… civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)

    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.

    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
    I see I hit it right on the head with both posts. Double strike!

    People having the best jobs and highest civic participation while maintaining the lowest levels of cultural assimilation is confusing. The first two should obviate the latter. That it hasn't is particularly worrying in fact. The opposite of your original argument.

    You look pretty silly maintaining otherwise.

    , @Tyrion 2
    Actually, I think my last post may be too complicated for you. Let me put it simply:

    The immigrants with the best jobs and most likely to gain social/political power are also the least culturally assimilated.

    You argued that this is good. I argued that this is bad. What's your reasoning?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative."

    He's a Jew living in England, IIRC.
    , @ZOGged
    High or very high economic assimilation (PC speak for making a ton of money, how they make that can be discussed some other day. Let's just say it involves a ton of their 'old world' charm of ethnic nepotism and a heavy reliance on clans and a preference of their own within corporations) with very low cultural assimilation => an elite who looks down on the host population in utter contempt and disdain. We already have such an (((elite))) here and by bringing in the dot Indians and the Chinese, it is making the oligarchy permanent. OTOH it means clan rivalry between these three groups with the locals and the low level riff raff invaders chugging it out for the crumbs they throw.

    And when said elite moves into positions of power as Indians [dot] here are, due to their (in)famous penchant for verbal agility [again PC speak for the fine art of bull-shitting without looking like it] you can be sure they'll use all of their resources [traitorous bought and paid for politicians and the tech lobby for instance] to bring more of their kind here for them to lord over [as the host population, though poorer is soaked into too much individualism to do that]. And boy does India have millions more who'd like a home here with a carport with no stinking slums around? You bet it does!

    Hondurans and Aztecs are mere street nuisance. If the prevailing ((( narrative ))) changes as they can sent back home in a matter of weeks if not days. Indians and Chinese though are a much bigger fish. Once in positions of power, they'll be very hard to get rid off without an all out war and/or return to traditional canon law

  100. @Twinkie

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
     
    No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position
     
    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
     
    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.
     
    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    I see I hit it right on the head with both posts. Double strike!

    People having the best jobs and highest civic participation while maintaining the lowest levels of cultural assimilation is confusing. The first two should obviate the latter. That it hasn’t is particularly worrying in fact. The opposite of your original argument.

    You look pretty silly maintaining otherwise.

  101. @Twinkie

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
     
    No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position
     
    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
     
    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.
     
    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    Actually, I think my last post may be too complicated for you. Let me put it simply:

    The immigrants with the best jobs and most likely to gain social/political power are also the least culturally assimilated.

    You argued that this is good. I argued that this is bad. What’s your reasoning?

    • Troll: Twinkie
  102. @Anonymous
    Congratulations Travis!

    So far you’re the only guy here that gets it.

    Why aren’t they majority for-the-wall, then?

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall.....many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).

    Many oppose Trump and may well have supported a wall if proposed by the democrats. Some are influenced by the media and may well believe that Trump dislikes Mexicans.

    But a significant number of Mexicans realize open borders will result in too many Central Americans , which will suppress their wages , increase crime and reduce their standard of living. 62% of Mexicans want to deport the Central Americans from Mexico and fortify their southern border. The majority of Mexicans in Mexico oppose granting asylum to Central Americans.
  103. @Tyrion 2
    That graph is a bit misleading. It gives big weight to "economic assimilation" (getting rich). The graph for just "cultural assimilation" is very different.

    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/pdf/cr_53.pdf

    One needs to scroll down some way to see.

    Indeed, cultural assimilation seems to be largely a function of how little current migrant colonies are refreshed with people fresh off the boat. Of course the Japanese are slowly dwindling away, there's a production problem with them. The only outliers in this respect are Canadian (as very assimilative - for obvious reasons) and Chinese (as very unassimilated - which seems strange - perhaps a function of not having been colonised/militarily occupied by Europeans? I suspect that if "Chinese" were limited to those from Hong Kong this would be inverted.)

    the Japanese are slowly dwindling away

    He was a one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer
    (one eyed, one horned Tokyo subway people stuffer)

  104. @SunBakedSuburb
    " ... all that Nazi imagery ..."

    I've been harping on this in these pages for months. Not only the Nazi imagery but the Confederate flags and regalia. If you want to build a white identitarian movement that can grow into something vital be smarter in regards to symbols and message. Charlottesville was a trap for the alt-right, and people like Richard Spenser, a creation of the Obama DOJ in my view, were the pied pipers leading the dummies right into it. By the way, the cat ladies are with us. But beware of the creepy dog women.

    Dropping the Nazi imagary is a good idea, but the rebel flags, etc. are part of Southern heritage. Letting the left destroy all this history is what the original (planned-to-be-peaceful) Charlottesville gathering was to be about. It’ll be George Washington, Madiston, Franklin, and Jefferson next, in case you don’t give a damn about the South and Southerners.

    BTW, it’s not like the rebel flag has been this thorn in the side of the left throughout history, or anything to have been ashamed of. As late as the 1970’s, I’d seen black people with rebel flag plates on the front of their muscle cars – yes, black people drove muscle cars too, when they had the money. The flag and statues don’t have to be the big feature of a white identify movement, if that’s what you mean, but they should be defended.

    Charlottesville WAS a trap, I agree, just in that the alt-right protesters didn’t have a large enough group, or anyone to call in, while the ctrl-left seems to have had their plans made ahead of time.

  105. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Wall has succeeded only in uniting the mentally retarded, and making immigration opponents support a mentally retarded pointless proposal. More and more it seems like Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate for the open borders crowd. No President in recent history has done more damage to the cause of immigration restriction than Trump. I knew from history that everything Trump touches turns to shit, but this is unbelievable.

    Quite to the contrary, even with all his blustering, all-talk/no-action disappointments for patriotic Americans on the border barrier and DACA, as candidate and President, Donald Trump has brought the immigration invasion issue to the forefront since the time he announced his candidacy 3 1/2 years ago.

    Immigration was not issue #1 just a few years back. It is now. If nothing else (which is quite possible) he’s done that. The “bully pulpit” may have turned into the “bullshit pulpit”, but the word is out nonetheless.

    As for being a Manchurian candidate, I’ve ssen the movie, and Trump doesn’t seem like the type. Nope, I think he listens too much to the beltway insiders that he himself should never have hired to advise him. It’s possible, especially on the foreign policy, that he’s been threatened by the Deep State, that he’d better play ball with the MIC.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  106. @Anon
    China originated in the area of Beijing and the Yellow River valley. It expanded southwards and colonized the Yangtze River area relatively recently. There is a sharp climatic difference between northern and central China. A mountain barrier shelters the Yangtze Valley from the Siberian winds that pour across the Yellow River valley from the Mongolian plateau in the winter.

    Beijing, Seoul and the Seoul metro area, where about half of South Korea’s population lives, have colder winters than London, Paris, Berlin, Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Brussels, and Reykjavik.

    Beijing has colder winters than Stockholm, and is about as cold as Oslo in the winter. Seoul is about as cold as Stockholm in the winter.

    Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, has colder winters than Stockholm, Oslo, and Helsinki.

    Then there are places in northeastern China like Shenyang, Changchun, and Harbin that have a lot more people and much colder winters than anywhere in Scandinavia.

    The "Arctic Alliance" idea doesn't make sense because of the different climates between northeast Asia and Europe. It actually makes more sense to call northeast Asians “Ice People” than it does to call Europeans that since northeastern Asia’s winters are colder and its winter climate is shaped by the air from the frozen plains of Siberia. It would make more sense to call Europeans “Oceanic People” or “Maritime People” since Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents. Also because of the importance of the Mediterranean and seafaring and maritime exploration and expansion in European history.

    The 3 snowiest major cities in the world are in Japan:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6594729/From-mountains-Japan-New-York-state-snowiest-cities-world-revealed.html

    Europe has an Oceanic or Maritime climate with relatively mild winters due to warm ocean currents

    River Thames frost fairs
    Migrants picked up in Channel treated for hypothermia

  107. @neutral
    This is similar to the surveys that show that sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders and mass immigration. When you are the lowest of races then you don't have to be concerned about keeping others out, as things cannot really get worse with them.

    I think the blacks think that the non white population will continue to be arse lickers to blacks like whites are now, it is highly doubtful this will be the case once no more whites exist in the world.

    sub Saharan African nations tend to have the highest support for things such as open borders

    South Africa shaken by anti-immigrant riots

    South African authorities have re-established order … after a week of looting of foreign-owned shops and violence in which four people were killed.

    Crowds hit the streets, targeting immigrant-owned shops in riots recalling anti-foreigner violence in 2008 that killed about 60 people.

  108. @Twinkie

    numbers are of the essence.
     
    Both the number and the type of people to be assimilated matter. Do you want 1,000 Chechens or 10,000 Japanese in your town?

    the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics
     
    Let me disabuse of this notion:

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6Mk9Tp71MJA/Td0Ir375qYI/AAAAAAAABmc/ATJ1miZxbHg/s1600/assimilation_by_birthplace.JPG

    Among the major immigrant groups, Hispanics (Mexicans, Guatemalans, and Salvadorans) have the lowest assimilation indices per the long-running Manhattan Institute study. The exception is Cubans, but their assimilation index continues to decline everytime the survey is done. The next tier is the Indians and Chinese, whose assimilation indices are closer to those of Hispanics than other Asians.

    The upper tier is made up of Canadians, Filipinos, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Cubans. The bifurcation into two clusters of theses major immigrant groups is pretty pronounced.

    Don’t mention this chart to stupid Senator Mike Lee of Utah who wants to keep the door open pretty much for only Indians who as we know vote Democrat at rate slightly below AA’s, at the expense of Koreans/Filipinos/Vietnamese who tend to assimilate and vote more Republicans.

  109. President Trump has stabbed the American people in the back by breaking his campaign promises.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Trump said he wants legal immigrants in "largest numbers ever."

    He has sealed his fate.

  110. @Achmed E. Newman
    Why aren't they majority for-the-wall, then?

    Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).

    Many oppose Trump and may well have supported a wall if proposed by the democrats. Some are influenced by the media and may well believe that Trump dislikes Mexicans.

    But a significant number of Mexicans realize open borders will result in too many Central Americans , which will suppress their wages , increase crime and reduce their standard of living. 62% of Mexicans want to deport the Central Americans from Mexico and fortify their southern border. The majority of Mexicans in Mexico oppose granting asylum to Central Americans.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).
     
    I agree many do, and they should, but per this survey, at least in California, they don't. That was my point in my reply to Anon1388. See the brown bar there? 37% is not "Hispanics oppose".

    However, as I wrote earlier above, I don't trust these surveys very much, as I explained that possibly some repliers just think a good double-fenced barrier would do it, and don't care for a wall - they may answer NO, which is technically their best answer but in reality just confuses things.

    Also, in California, you may have even a larger contingent of new illegal aliens vs. established Hispanics, compared to, say Texas or N. Mexico. I don't know if that's true or not, but it could be a factor. Nobody asks you if you are here illegally in the real poll, on election day, much less on this kind of survey, right?
  111. @Charles Pewitt
    President Trump has stabbed the American people in the back by breaking his campaign promises.

    https://twitter.com/NeilMunroDC/status/1093735722840932352

    Trump said he wants legal immigrants in “largest numbers ever.”

    He has sealed his fate.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Ann Coulter should announce that she is forming an exploratory committee to mull over whether or not she will challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

    Ann Coulter could mildly rebuke Trump, and hammer him when appropriate, and Coulter could rhetorically blast the Democrat Party presidential aspirants to bits.

    The corporate media would give Ann Coulter plenty of free media coverage to challenge Trump.

    Trump pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    Trump will not deport the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the United States.

    Trump puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.
  112. He has sealed his fate.

    No doubt.

    The 2020 election is as good as over.

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Rosie

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
     
    Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.
  113. o/t

    lol

    “For richer people, your tax liability could have gone up now $100-, $200-, $300,000,” Mr. Cuomo said on Tuesday. “And there is a tipping point where people say, ‘I love New York, but to spend another $300,000 in taxes? I’ll move.’”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/nyregion/nyc-revenue-taxes-budget.html

    Sadly, they will be moving to and wrecking Florida, Texas Idaho, Montana, when it is Israel or Singapore that should be more to their liking.

  114. @Rosie
    Trump said he wants legal immigrants in "largest numbers ever."

    He has sealed his fate.

    Ann Coulter should announce that she is forming an exploratory committee to mull over whether or not she will challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

    Ann Coulter could mildly rebuke Trump, and hammer him when appropriate, and Coulter could rhetorically blast the Democrat Party presidential aspirants to bits.

    The corporate media would give Ann Coulter plenty of free media coverage to challenge Trump.

    Trump pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    Trump will not deport the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the United States.

    Trump puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    I just read her latest column on VDare, Charles. Ann Coulter would get me to go to graveyards in search for more voters - well, I like graveyards anyway.
  115. @Charles Pewitt
    Trump is done and he knows it.

    It is now vitally important to unify around a candidate to challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary from the patriotic Sam Francis/Pat Buchanan position.

    Trump has called for massively increasing legal immigration and he refuses to deport illegal alien invaders. There are upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA, and Trump will not deport them.

    Trump has stabbed his voter base in the back and he has sided with anti-White globalizers such as Jared Kushner, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Shelly Adelson.

    The GOP voters are primed and ready to counter-attack against the GOP donors and the GOP politician whores.

    Mount up and ride to the sound of the guns!

    Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration. It is up to patriotic voters and patriotic political leaders to counter-attack against the evil treasonous globalizer rats who push nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    “Trump has decided to embrace the globalizer treason of mass legal immigration.”

    I don’t recall Trump ever speaking out about legal immigration. But he did run, and win, by promising to deport ALL the illegals, and he has done almost nothing to keep that promise. So, yes, he has stabbed his base in the back, but does the average short attention span voter even notice?

    I think Trump is counting on pacifying the soft hearted suburban soccer mom vote by emphasizing the deportation of “criminals” — as if all illegally present foreign trespassers are not criminals — and placating the rest of us with more jobs and lower taxes — while doing some nominal work on The Wall. Meanwhile 20 million (30 million?) illegals continue to steal jobs and services and spawn little anchor baby citizens.

    Who could possibly beat him in a primary? I think we’re stuck with what we’ve got.

  116. https://twitter.com/vickieswg/status/1092889829375967233

    I wish more PeeOhCee had this mindset. But take it to it’s logical conclusion, ma’am.

    Return to your ancestral homeland, because this land is ours. We won it fair and square.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, Vickie, and you don't know the answer... so, yes, shutting up is best.
  117. Some of us call that harassment.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Some of us call that harassment.
     
    Others of us call it retardation.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    The huge increase in the use of the word "space" over the last couple of years is really obnoxious. It's the worst kind of pretentious charlatanism.
  118. Blacks have been hurt the most from our immigration policies of the last 50 years. I suppose more blacks would favor a wall if democrats supported it. Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black. The Black population of America has doubled from 1970, from 21 million to 43 million as the white population has only grown from 171 million to 197 million over the same time…. yet migration accounts for half of the white growth and just 10% of the growth in our Black population.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black.
     
    Without our government paying to "feed 'em and breed 'em" we would have perhaps 12-15 million Blacks by now.

    Both Hart-Celler and government aid programs are aimed at White genocide.
  119. @Prodigal son
    Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall.....many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).

    Many oppose Trump and may well have supported a wall if proposed by the democrats. Some are influenced by the media and may well believe that Trump dislikes Mexicans.

    But a significant number of Mexicans realize open borders will result in too many Central Americans , which will suppress their wages , increase crime and reduce their standard of living. 62% of Mexicans want to deport the Central Americans from Mexico and fortify their southern border. The majority of Mexicans in Mexico oppose granting asylum to Central Americans.

    Hispanics oppose the wall for the Same reason so many white Americans oppose the wall…..many Hispanics were born and raised in California , thus indoctrinated in our leftist schools, they may be the children of amnesty recipients and may sympathize with Mexican illegal aliens (who are 90% of the dreamers).

    I agree many do, and they should, but per this survey, at least in California, they don’t. That was my point in my reply to Anon1388. See the brown bar there? 37% is not “Hispanics oppose”.

    However, as I wrote earlier above, I don’t trust these surveys very much, as I explained that possibly some repliers just think a good double-fenced barrier would do it, and don’t care for a wall – they may answer NO, which is technically their best answer but in reality just confuses things.

    Also, in California, you may have even a larger contingent of new illegal aliens vs. established Hispanics, compared to, say Texas or N. Mexico. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it could be a factor. Nobody asks you if you are here illegally in the real poll, on election day, much less on this kind of survey, right?

  120. @Charles Pewitt
    Ann Coulter should announce that she is forming an exploratory committee to mull over whether or not she will challenge Trump in the 2020 GOP presidential primary.

    Ann Coulter could mildly rebuke Trump, and hammer him when appropriate, and Coulter could rhetorically blast the Democrat Party presidential aspirants to bits.

    The corporate media would give Ann Coulter plenty of free media coverage to challenge Trump.

    Trump pushes nation-wrecking mass legal immigration.

    Trump will not deport the 30 million illegal alien invaders in the United States.

    Trump puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the United States.

    I just read her latest column on VDare, Charles. Ann Coulter would get me to go to graveyards in search for more voters – well, I like graveyards anyway.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Ann Coulter gets her courage and guts from her Kentucky ancestors.

    Natalie Merchant speaks and sings precisely and she has nice hips. I think Merchant goes out of her way to speak and sing in a precise manner to differentiate herself from others and she likes swaying her hips to show off.

    Trump is toast. Trump is now pushing for more mass legal immigration and Trump is pushing the H-1B visa scam and the H-2B visa scam and other anti-worker scams such as more green cards and more guest workers.

    Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.

    Trump has sided with Jared Kushner and Shelly Adelson and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction against the best interests of the USA.
  121. @216
    https://twitter.com/vickieswg/status/1092889829375967233

    I wish more PeeOhCee had this mindset. But take it to it's logical conclusion, ma'am.

    Return to your ancestral homeland, because this land is ours. We won it fair and square.

    Yeah, Vickie, and you don’t know the answer… so, yes, shutting up is best.

    • Replies: @216
    I don't think she's in a hard science major, I think one of her tweets mentioned Sociology. So there is no "right answer" here, just the massaged data designed to only support leftism.

    I admit to having some sympathy for these people, they clearly don't fit in here and would probably prefer to go back to the old country if it didn't mean a dramatic drop in living standards. If she's from a wealthier East Asian country, she can clearly go piss up a rope.

    https://twitter.com/vickieswg/status/1093376685607550976

    When you are a leftist, you can mock the mentally ill without consequence.

    She retweeted this:

    https://twitter.com/INDIEWASHERE/status/1090758620692865024

    Anyone that knows even cursory information about the law business would see this as blatantly false. But a lie gets 92K likes. Millions of people think we somehow live under a 19th century WASP ascendancy.
  122. @216
    https://twitter.com/TAPPhD/status/1092934424797290506

    Some of us call that harassment.

    Some of us call that harassment.

    Others of us call it retardation.

  123. @Achmed E. Newman
    About the bar-graph itself now, in particularly that short yellow bar. I understand that not that many (though some do) Chinese people come illegally to this country via the wide-open southern border. However, California is full of Chinese people, and they want to all make sure their grandmas, granddads, and eventually corrupt-official Dad's money can get into America without much hassle.

    Though they don't really have much of a dog in the fight about a serious southern border, it's the general idea that "we can all easily get in to our bug-out place or newly conquered territory without some nasty politician screwing it up". That's my opinion on the reason for the low numbers there. BTW, I do have some inside knowledge on the massive influx of ILLEGAL Chinese immigrants - see The China to King Buffet Pipeline.

    Far be it from me to promote the execrable New Yorker, but they DO occasionally do some good reporting. Here is a story from a few years back on the Chinese restaurant immigration pipeline.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/13/cookas-tale

  124. @Achmed E. Newman
    Yeah, Vickie, and you don't know the answer... so, yes, shutting up is best.

    I don’t think she’s in a hard science major, I think one of her tweets mentioned Sociology. So there is no “right answer” here, just the massaged data designed to only support leftism.

    I admit to having some sympathy for these people, they clearly don’t fit in here and would probably prefer to go back to the old country if it didn’t mean a dramatic drop in living standards. If she’s from a wealthier East Asian country, she can clearly go piss up a rope.

    https://twitter.com/vickieswg/status/1093376685607550976

    When you are a leftist, you can mock the mentally ill without consequence.

    She retweeted this:

    Anyone that knows even cursory information about the law business would see this as blatantly false. But a lie gets 92K likes. Millions of people think we somehow live under a 19th century WASP ascendancy.

    • Replies: @216
    And she retweeted this

    https://twitter.com/cholenacree/status/1090032385247215616

    That right there is an explicit denial of any white person ANYWHERE to exercise self-determination.

    And an explicit call for violence

    https://twitter.com/cholenacree/status/1090862935453253633

    Hit the report button.

  125. @216
    I don't think she's in a hard science major, I think one of her tweets mentioned Sociology. So there is no "right answer" here, just the massaged data designed to only support leftism.

    I admit to having some sympathy for these people, they clearly don't fit in here and would probably prefer to go back to the old country if it didn't mean a dramatic drop in living standards. If she's from a wealthier East Asian country, she can clearly go piss up a rope.

    https://twitter.com/vickieswg/status/1093376685607550976

    When you are a leftist, you can mock the mentally ill without consequence.

    She retweeted this:

    https://twitter.com/INDIEWASHERE/status/1090758620692865024

    Anyone that knows even cursory information about the law business would see this as blatantly false. But a lie gets 92K likes. Millions of people think we somehow live under a 19th century WASP ascendancy.

    And she retweeted this

    https://twitter.com/cholenacree/status/1090032385247215616

    That right there is an explicit denial of any white person ANYWHERE to exercise self-determination.

    And an explicit call for violence

    Hit the report button.

  126. This is the exorbitant privilege of liberalism on display again.

    There was an assassination attempt on GOP Congressmen.

    There was a lynch mob against Trump supporters in San Jose.

    There were several celebrities that issued explicit calls to violence against the Covington students.

  127. Source:

    This why neocons need to be hung out to dry. The left isn’t satisfied, and she hasn’t resigned her job and given it to a PeeOhCee.

  128. Anon[206] • Disclaimer says:

    I have a bit of schadenfreude when I see stats such as presented here by Audacious.

    The blacks of California are against the border wall, they support the illegals! But think about this, no immigrants (legal or illegal) took part in the putative mistreatment of black people. So when it comes to affirmative action and all the rest of the race-baiting, immigrants generally do not want to subsidize blacks. They didn’t do the repression, they won’t tolerate a reparation bite, and they wont slack up on their competition in the job market. Black people can only run their guilt scam on whites. And yet they are apparently for policies that harm whites, and likewise negatively affect blacks.

    I don’t have much patience with people who don’t really understand where their interests lie.

  129. @Twinkie

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
     
    No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position
     
    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
     
    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.
     
    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    “Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.”

    He’s a Jew living in England, IIRC.

  130. @Achmed E. Newman
    I just read her latest column on VDare, Charles. Ann Coulter would get me to go to graveyards in search for more voters - well, I like graveyards anyway.

    Ann Coulter gets her courage and guts from her Kentucky ancestors.

    Natalie Merchant speaks and sings precisely and she has nice hips. I think Merchant goes out of her way to speak and sing in a precise manner to differentiate herself from others and she likes swaying her hips to show off.

    Trump is toast. Trump is now pushing for more mass legal immigration and Trump is pushing the H-1B visa scam and the H-2B visa scam and other anti-worker scams such as more green cards and more guest workers.

    Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.

    Trump has sided with Jared Kushner and Shelly Adelson and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction against the best interests of the USA.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.
     
    Anyone in mind?

    I know our host Audacious Epigone wants Ann Coulter herself to run, but this seems pretty unlikely. I noticed she has been evading the question with a characteristic joke when asked if she might run.
  131. @iffen
    He has sealed his fate.

    No doubt.

    The 2020 election is as good as over.

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.

    Don’t be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    Remember, there is no constituency for fiscal conservative/socially liberal/progressive. It is the "empty quadrant." There are no voters there.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1090222934562611202/photo/1

    GOPe wants to represent a constituency that does not exist. Trump has chosen to follow them into irrelevancy and certain defeat.
    , @iffen
    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.


    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve. They do want the immigration laws enforced and a stop put to illegal immigration. They likely want a greater emphasis place on assimilation as well.

    BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.
    , @Twinkie

    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.
     
    Agreed! Just ran out of the agree button.
  132. “Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world.”

    as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.

    the day you realize this is usually the saddest day of your life. for me, 20 years ago.

    then you realize, half your direct family is against you. not only do they not even remotely appreciate your effort to save europeans, they openly hate you for it.

    to forever be hated by the people you are trying to save. that is the aware badwhites life.

    • Replies: @Hail
    Much depends on the share of Whites making the hard turn you describe.

    ('Hard' in two senses: hard to do psychologically, as you say, and also hard as in 'hardline,' extreme, at least relative to what the regime's acceptable range of opinion. Granted, in world-historical terms it is hardly extreme to take one's own side.)

    The much-commented-on phenomenon is, ofc, "As White % goes down, the 'Red Pill' share goes up" (with also some marginal losses to 'Wigger-dom'). The two trends are even now in a below-surface race for the finishline. The daily media gossip-frivolity has totally missed these ongoing trends and is still missing them now, which explains why everyone was taken so by surprise by MAGA, which was clearly energized by the 'hard turn' wing. MAGA was impossible with the demographics of 25 years earlier (Pat Buchanan tried...).

    I believe there is reason for optimism. We do not need 100% of Whites, nor even 50%. There is a theoretical critical mass point and it is far lower than one might think.

    Simple model for the share of 'blue' Whites who have made this hard turn (made up numbers, perhaps plausible):

    b.1940s: 5%
    b.1960s: 10%
    b.1980s: 20%
    b.2000s: 25%?

    What is the critical mass / threshold? I don't know.

    , @Twinkie

    as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
     
    You should read some recent history.

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did. In the 2014 midterms, half of Asians voted for the GOP.

    Things are grim right now, but “always” is not true. Don’t fall for present bias.
  133. @Prodigal son
    Blacks have been hurt the most from our immigration policies of the last 50 years. I suppose more blacks would favor a wall if democrats supported it. Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black. The Black population of America has doubled from 1970, from 21 million to 43 million as the white population has only grown from 171 million to 197 million over the same time.... yet migration accounts for half of the white growth and just 10% of the growth in our Black population.

    Without the millions of immigrant infiltrators our population would be 75 million smaller but almost 20% Black.

    Without our government paying to “feed ’em and breed ’em” we would have perhaps 12-15 million Blacks by now.

    Both Hart-Celler and government aid programs are aimed at White genocide.

  134. @Rosie

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
     
    Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.

    Remember, there is no constituency for fiscal conservative/socially liberal/progressive. It is the “empty quadrant.” There are no voters there.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1090222934562611202/photo/1

    GOPe wants to represent a constituency that does not exist. Trump has chosen to follow them into irrelevancy and certain defeat.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    And while I'm at it, Trump's blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing. Yes, we should and do have the right to earn an honest living if we need and/or desire to do so. That battle is over. The problem now is that women feel they have no choice but to work even if they have a husband with a good job.
    , @Talha
    The Fall of the Orange One...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoZ9sIsUkAAB_v2.jpg

    Peace.
  135. @Rosie
    Remember, there is no constituency for fiscal conservative/socially liberal/progressive. It is the "empty quadrant." There are no voters there.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1090222934562611202/photo/1

    GOPe wants to represent a constituency that does not exist. Trump has chosen to follow them into irrelevancy and certain defeat.

    And while I’m at it, Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing. Yes, we should and do have the right to earn an honest living if we need and/or desire to do so. That battle is over. The problem now is that women feel they have no choice but to work even if they have a husband with a good job.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing.

    It can't hurt.

    Only a small increase in the % of women and POCs voting for Trump and he could win in an electoral landslide.
  136. @Rosie
    Remember, there is no constituency for fiscal conservative/socially liberal/progressive. It is the "empty quadrant." There are no voters there.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1090222934562611202/photo/1

    GOPe wants to represent a constituency that does not exist. Trump has chosen to follow them into irrelevancy and certain defeat.

    The Fall of the Orange One…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    Well, the God-Emperor was not the end - he was the means (albeit a long one) to the real end of freedom from prescience. He planned his own destruction for a very long time.
  137. @Rosie

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
     
    Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.

    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.

    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve. They do want the immigration laws enforced and a stop put to illegal immigration. They likely want a greater emphasis place on assimilation as well.

    BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make."

    No, but evoking the imagery that is associated with "white nationalists," does.
    , @Twinkie

    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.
     
    The key operative phrase is “limited.”

    Most whites I know support restrictions on both legal and illegal immigration - I happen to agree, and you know I am not a white nationalist (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    The only whites I know who support legal immigration expansion are invariably tech executives.
  138. @Rosie
    And while I'm at it, Trump's blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing. Yes, we should and do have the right to earn an honest living if we need and/or desire to do so. That battle is over. The problem now is that women feel they have no choice but to work even if they have a husband with a good job.

    Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing.

    It can’t hurt.

    Only a small increase in the % of women and POCs voting for Trump and he could win in an electoral landslide.

    • Replies: @Rosie

    It can’t hurt.
     
    Perhaps, but he is sorely mistaken if he thinks it will make up for all the WWC women he will lose as a result of his cucking and corporate pandering.
  139. @iffen
    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.


    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve. They do want the immigration laws enforced and a stop put to illegal immigration. They likely want a greater emphasis place on assimilation as well.

    BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.

    “BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.”

    No, but evoking the imagery that is associated with “white nationalists,” does.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  140. @Charles Pewitt
    Ann Coulter gets her courage and guts from her Kentucky ancestors.

    Natalie Merchant speaks and sings precisely and she has nice hips. I think Merchant goes out of her way to speak and sing in a precise manner to differentiate herself from others and she likes swaying her hips to show off.

    Trump is toast. Trump is now pushing for more mass legal immigration and Trump is pushing the H-1B visa scam and the H-2B visa scam and other anti-worker scams such as more green cards and more guest workers.

    Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.

    Trump has sided with Jared Kushner and Shelly Adelson and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction against the best interests of the USA.

    Trump must be challenged in the 2020 GOP presidential primary by a candidate from the Sam Francis Middle American Radical portion of the GOP.

    Anyone in mind?

    I know our host Audacious Epigone wants Ann Coulter herself to run, but this seems pretty unlikely. I noticed she has been evading the question with a characteristic joke when asked if she might run.

  141. @prime noticer
    "Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world."

    as it's always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.

    the day you realize this is usually the saddest day of your life. for me, 20 years ago.

    then you realize, half your direct family is against you. not only do they not even remotely appreciate your effort to save europeans, they openly hate you for it.

    to forever be hated by the people you are trying to save. that is the aware badwhites life.

    Much depends on the share of Whites making the hard turn you describe.

    (‘Hard’ in two senses: hard to do psychologically, as you say, and also hard as in ‘hardline,’ extreme, at least relative to what the regime’s acceptable range of opinion. Granted, in world-historical terms it is hardly extreme to take one’s own side.)

    The much-commented-on phenomenon is, ofc, “As White % goes down, the ‘Red Pill’ share goes up” (with also some marginal losses to ‘Wigger-dom’). The two trends are even now in a below-surface race for the finishline. The daily media gossip-frivolity has totally missed these ongoing trends and is still missing them now, which explains why everyone was taken so by surprise by MAGA, which was clearly energized by the ‘hard turn’ wing. MAGA was impossible with the demographics of 25 years earlier (Pat Buchanan tried…).

    I believe there is reason for optimism. We do not need 100% of Whites, nor even 50%. There is a theoretical critical mass point and it is far lower than one might think.

    Simple model for the share of ‘blue’ Whites who have made this hard turn (made up numbers, perhaps plausible):

    b.1940s: 5%
    b.1960s: 10%
    b.1980s: 20%
    b.2000s: 25%?

    What is the critical mass / threshold? I don’t know.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    20% is the figure I hear tossed around most authoritatively. Otoh, the Bolsheviks did it with less than 1%. On the other other hand, the Bolsheviks.
  142. @iffen
    Trump’s blathering about women in the workforce will avail him nothing.

    It can't hurt.

    Only a small increase in the % of women and POCs voting for Trump and he could win in an electoral landslide.

    It can’t hurt.

    Perhaps, but he is sorely mistaken if he thinks it will make up for all the WWC women he will lose as a result of his cucking and corporate pandering.

  143. @iffen
    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.


    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve. They do want the immigration laws enforced and a stop put to illegal immigration. They likely want a greater emphasis place on assimilation as well.

    BTW, disagreeing with you does not a jackass make.

    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.

    The key operative phrase is “limited.”

    Most whites I know support restrictions on both legal and illegal immigration – I happen to agree, and you know I am not a white nationalist (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    The only whites I know who support legal immigration expansion are invariably tech executives.

    • Replies: @iffen
    (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    I'm not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I'm all in.
  144. @Rosie

    He just lost all 2 thousand votes of the WNs who can be bothered to vote.
     
    Don't be a jackass. White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves "nationalists" or not.

    White Americans want the borders closed, whether they call themselves “nationalists” or not.

    Agreed! Just ran out of the agree button.

  145. @prime noticer
    "Fellow badwhites, it’s us against the world."

    as it's always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.

    the day you realize this is usually the saddest day of your life. for me, 20 years ago.

    then you realize, half your direct family is against you. not only do they not even remotely appreciate your effort to save europeans, they openly hate you for it.

    to forever be hated by the people you are trying to save. that is the aware badwhites life.

    as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.

    You should read some recent history.

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did. In the 2014 midterms, half of Asians voted for the GOP.

    Things are grim right now, but “always” is not true. Don’t fall for present bias.

    • Replies: @Hail

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did
     
    What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy7aiIYXcAAmd04.jpg

    I think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought:

    For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992.

    Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the "sample size" flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.

    What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind:

    - The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd.

    - Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now.

    - Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability;

    - The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category 'Asian' among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s' and the 2020s' and 2030s' going forward. This may be most important in "structural" terms.

    - The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton's appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill's Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.

    Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.

    https://www.procon.org/files/1-clinton-images/electoral-map-1992-clinton-vs-bush-picture.jpg

  146. @Talha
    The Fall of the Orange One...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoZ9sIsUkAAB_v2.jpg

    Peace.

    Well, the God-Emperor was not the end – he was the means (albeit a long one) to the real end of freedom from prescience. He planned his own destruction for a very long time.

    • Replies: @Talha
    Ha! Another Dune fan!

    The Golden Path!!! The Bene Gesserit have failed, Trump was not the one to lead us on it!

    Peace.

  147. @Twinkie
    Well, the God-Emperor was not the end - he was the means (albeit a long one) to the real end of freedom from prescience. He planned his own destruction for a very long time.

    Ha! Another Dune fan!

    The Golden Path!!! The Bene Gesserit have failed, Trump was not the one to lead us on it!

    Peace.

  148. @Twinkie

    as it’s always been. there were never any allies, never any alliances, never any peaceful ways out. nothing but badwhites against the entire world.
     
    You should read some recent history.

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did. In the 2014 midterms, half of Asians voted for the GOP.

    Things are grim right now, but “always” is not true. Don’t fall for present bias.

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did

    What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):

    I think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought:

    For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992.

    Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the “sample size” flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.

    What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind:

    – The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd.

    – Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now.

    – Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability;

    – The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.

    – The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton’s appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill’s Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.

    Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.
     
    I made this point many, many times.

    Keep in mind, religion is a huge marker for voting, and this holds for Asians as well. Asian evangelicals vote for the GOP by a wide margin (though not quite as wide as whites). Unfortunately, as with the general population, those who are Christians are declining as a percentage. The largest increase in religious affiliation among Asians has been Hindus.

    On the other hand, the 2016 voting intentions for gen Z looked good for Asian males (majority MAGA).

    The point is that a lot things could change and is contingent on many factors. The past was different, and the future yet could be. Nothing is inevitable in history.

  149. The Virginia Republicans should grow a spine and begin referring to Kirk Cox as “Acting Governor”, a copycat of the Venezuelan model. The Dems are going to try and squirrel their way out of handing over the Governorship (which they stole by running anti-white ads).

    Trump should threaten federal intervention if all three Dems don’t resign.

    It says a lot about the fecklessness of GOP voters that Richmond isn’t besiged by a mob of 100,000 armed rednecks. We all know that three GOP officials caught doing similar acts would have already been arrested, let alone forced to resign.

    Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!

    • Replies: @Hail

    Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
     
    Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.

    The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.

    https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977

    Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better.

    It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...).

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"

  150. @216
    The Virginia Republicans should grow a spine and begin referring to Kirk Cox as "Acting Governor", a copycat of the Venezuelan model. The Dems are going to try and squirrel their way out of handing over the Governorship (which they stole by running anti-white ads).

    Trump should threaten federal intervention if all three Dems don't resign.

    It says a lot about the fecklessness of GOP voters that Richmond isn't besiged by a mob of 100,000 armed rednecks. We all know that three GOP officials caught doing similar acts would have already been arrested, let alone forced to resign.

    Virginia Coup D'etat 2019 !!!

    Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!

    Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.

    The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.

    Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better.

    It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball ‘crime’ (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country…).

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”

    • Replies: @216
    Ralph Northam is in office because of a naked appeal to anti-white racism.

    I mean it when I say that is treasonous. It doesn't matter what it takes to knock him and Herring out. Resignation, or even impeachment is not enough. They get a choice: exile or execution.

    White liberals should not receive our protection, when they categorically never defend us.

    And it it is plainly immoral for one parasitic blue dot to dominate an overwhelmingly red state by geography.
    , @Hypnotoad666

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
     
    You make an excellent point. It's actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:

    Step One: The Left creates an idiotic PC standard for attacking and destroying Republicans/Conservatives/White People (wearing blackface or being a drunken cad in college). The Right complains but the Left gets to virtue signal as being holier than thou and having zero tolerance.

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can't resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage -- "See, they are really the racists and sexists."

    Step Three: Both sides have now agreed and there is a consensus and a precedent that this petty PC BS is the new litmus test.

    Apparently, it just takes too much message discipline and foresight to skip step two and NOT call Northam a disqualified racist.
  151. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
    The Hispanic category is a total scam anyways. They should really start keeping track of the Latin races. Castizo, mestizo, indio, negro (oh wait ... maybe not that one).

    I bet the castizo ones are much more right wing than indios.

    I have a connection who is white as rice. Stunning blonde hair, blue eyes, and yet she is a "Hispanic"! Why? Her grandfather was a Spanish immigrant. Never mind the other 3/4 Germanic, she is a full on beaner! She is counted as such, taking affirmative action along the way.

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren't nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They're just a relatively shittier version of "us". Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It's white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn't a statement in favour of open borders - but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).

    I am thankful we have Hispanic immigrants here and not mostly Muslim immigrants like Europe. I like Hispanics because they value female beauty and sexiness unlike Muslims who push female modesty.

  152. @Hail

    Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
     
    Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.

    The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.

    https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977

    Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better.

    It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...).

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"

    Ralph Northam is in office because of a naked appeal to anti-white racism.

    I mean it when I say that is treasonous. It doesn’t matter what it takes to knock him and Herring out. Resignation, or even impeachment is not enough. They get a choice: exile or execution.

    White liberals should not receive our protection, when they categorically never defend us.

    And it it is plainly immoral for one parasitic blue dot to dominate an overwhelmingly red state by geography.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  153. @Hail

    In the 1992 presidential election, a higher percentage of Asians voted for the Republican candidate than whites did
     
    What you say is true (see NYT exit polling synopsis, 1972-2008):

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dy7aiIYXcAAmd04.jpg

    I think there is a good deal more to this story, though, and maybe worth a second and third thought:

    For one thing, according to exit polling, Asians were only at 2% of voters in 2008, made the jump to 3% of voters in 2012, and 4% in 2016. They will have been 1-2% on 1992.

    Asian numbers were so low that some would reflexively wave the "sample size" flag. The R-D spread of 55-31 for Asians (vs. 40-39 for Whites) is so large, though, that it will be well outside even a generous margin of error.

    What might account for the strong Asian Republican vote in 1992? Some things that jump to my mind:

    - The median U.S. Asian voter in 1992 was probably born in the late 1940s; in terms of the foreing-born Asians, while this age-cohort aligns with our Baby Boomers, the two had little culturally in common at all; for most foreign-origin Asians, b.1940s is just inevitably a much, much more conservative sort than the b.1980s crowd like Sarah Jeong and the rising b.1990s crowd.

    - Lower numbers overall meant lower national-level political-racial consciousness, esp. given two White candidates (GHW Bush, Bill Clinton), and national politics being so much less racialized than now.

    - Asian political clout was undermined outside Hawaii by citizenship lag, possible lower political involvement due to cultural enclave-ism and lower English language ability;

    - The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category 'Asian' among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s' and the 2020s' and 2030s' going forward. This may be most important in "structural" terms.

    - The most important for the 1992 race specifically must be Bill Clinton's appeal to Southern Whites, though. Bill's Southern origin and charm really inflated his White vote in the South but the exact same story/charm did not work at all on Asians in California and the like.

    Southern states Bill Clinton took: GA, TN, KY, WV, AR, LA, areas which, in our era, are strong MAGA country.

    https://www.procon.org/files/1-clinton-images/electoral-map-1992-clinton-vs-bush-picture.jpg

    The national-ethnic-origin composition of the aggregate racial category ‘Asian’ among citizens in 1992 was different than the 2010s’ and the 2020s’ and 2030s’ going forward. This may be most important in “structural” terms.

    I made this point many, many times.

    Keep in mind, religion is a huge marker for voting, and this holds for Asians as well. Asian evangelicals vote for the GOP by a wide margin (though not quite as wide as whites). Unfortunately, as with the general population, those who are Christians are declining as a percentage. The largest increase in religious affiliation among Asians has been Hindus.

    On the other hand, the 2016 voting intentions for gen Z looked good for Asian males (majority MAGA).

    The point is that a lot things could change and is contingent on many factors. The past was different, and the future yet could be. Nothing is inevitable in history.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  154. @MEH 0910
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx1Bh8ZvH84

    The view count on that video is insane. The nineties, playing cards at the shop late at night during summers I hoped would never end. Nostalgia hit.

  155. @silviosilver

    There’s not much reason to think the Arctic Alliance is happening, either–at least not within the US.
     
    Is there anyone besides Derb advocating this? As I see it, it's just Derb's self-interested cuckery at work.

    I think an "Old America" is far more likely (though far from likely) than this Arctic nonsense. American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb's beloved Asians) - if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity.

    Ironically, the far likeliest alliance is whites and hispanics - as the evidence in this post shows. From one perspective, I guess it's encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult. I'm not sure how much good would come of this with respect to white racial rights, but it's nice to think that there are limits to the anti-whitism of hispanics - which will no doubt disappoint/infuriate SJW scum.

    Among the more quant-oriented/autistic/nerdy end of the dissident right it’s not vanishingly rare. The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air, though your point is well taken.

    • Replies: @Talha

    The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air
     
    Sigh...the reasons just keep piling up...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Caliphatememes/status/1042825165325905921

    Peace.
  156. @216
    Notice how Black Hate (tm) John Legend isn't ratio'd here

    https://twitter.com/johnlegend/status/1093217191409856512

    The AOC Hate Machine is all about the targeted harassment, but Simple Jack protects his own.

    Junior needs to take after dad here:

    “Stick to singing, genius.”

  157. @Twinkie

    No, you want a composite between all three (because you think it makes Asians look good?
     
    No, troll, Indians and Chinese - who are Asians - do poorly in the composite index and cluster with Hispanics.

    high economic and civic position
     
    Acquiring citizenship and serving in the military are not “high... civic positions.” They are simply markers of civic assimilation.

    To disagree, you’ve even had to pretend that colonisers who stay are better than culturally similar guest workers (who leave)
     
    No, you buffoon, I don’t argue that at all. I’m an immigration restrictionist. But those aliens who continue to live in the U.S. long term, but do not naturalize and do not perform civic duty do have low rates of civic assimilation. Maybe you are a white separatist or white nationalist, but we are arguing about assimilation here, not whether the said assimilation is positive or negative.

    it was not enough for you.
     
    Having trolled by you repeatedly and stupidly in other threads, I should have known better that you generally argue in bad faith. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

    High or very high economic assimilation (PC speak for making a ton of money, how they make that can be discussed some other day. Let’s just say it involves a ton of their ‘old world’ charm of ethnic nepotism and a heavy reliance on clans and a preference of their own within corporations) with very low cultural assimilation => an elite who looks down on the host population in utter contempt and disdain. We already have such an (((elite))) here and by bringing in the dot Indians and the Chinese, it is making the oligarchy permanent. OTOH it means clan rivalry between these three groups with the locals and the low level riff raff invaders chugging it out for the crumbs they throw.

    And when said elite moves into positions of power as Indians [dot] here are, due to their (in)famous penchant for verbal agility [again PC speak for the fine art of bull-shitting without looking like it] you can be sure they’ll use all of their resources [traitorous bought and paid for politicians and the tech lobby for instance] to bring more of their kind here for them to lord over [as the host population, though poorer is soaked into too much individualism to do that]. And boy does India have millions more who’d like a home here with a carport with no stinking slums around? You bet it does!

    Hondurans and Aztecs are mere street nuisance. If the prevailing ((( narrative ))) changes as they can sent back home in a matter of weeks if not days. Indians and Chinese though are a much bigger fish. Once in positions of power, they’ll be very hard to get rid off without an all out war and/or return to traditional canon law

  158. @silviosilver

    I was arguing in the other thread that illegal aliens and Hispanics aren’t nearly as great a threat as Indians and Chinese people. They’re just a relatively shittier version of “us”. Latin countries are being colonized by asian people too. It’s white + christian + black + Hispanic vs. Jews + Indians + chinapeople. (Note this isn’t a statement in favour of open borders – but Mexicans are not an existential threat to society the way Indians are).
     
    I largely agree with you, but I would like to stress a couple of crucial points.

    One concept that should always be kept front and center in any racial debate is: numbers are of the essence. It's hard to overstress the centrality of numbers to the race and immigration debates. Numbers determine virtually everything about how race is experienced. The inherited or acquired qualities of any given race are a distant second to numbers. You could have a race literally ten times dumber and ten times more criminal than blacks, but if their total numbers were only, say, 5000 in the whole country, they wouldn't be nearly as great a cause for concern as 50 million blacks-as-we-know-them are.

    So with that out of the way, I can then point out that, if their numbers are high enough, Mexicans (more broadly, hispanics in toto) would also rank as an existential threat. If continued racial existence is the aim, then even at their present numbers hispanics are most definitely an existential threat. If whites mixed with them indiscriminately - as everything in mainstream culture encourages them to - then the resultant product would not be a "white person" as whites have been known since time immemorial. Whites will have effectively become extinct.

    Whether that counts as a "loss" or not really depends on your values and your priorities. If your priorities are to get through life with minimal disturbances, then the fact that (assimilated) hispanics are a kind of racial next-of-kin and are also cultural familiars makes them rather appealing. In other words, if you're going to be race-replaced no matter what you do, then let it be by these people. But if you prioritize racial continuity - if you would prefer whites to live on rather than die out - then the relatively easy (I stress relatively) assimilation of hispanics will be no source of solace to you.

    I hate making categorical statements like "then hispanics definitely are an existential threat" because it gives my beliefs a fanatical hue that is a poor reflection of my actual feelings. It's just not the case that the first thought that forms in my mind upon encountering a stranger is my assessment of their racial threat level, and that on deciding its too high I shun them or something. I just think it's very important to state what I believe are the politically relevant facts about race. And the fact that whites stand on the precipice of effective racial erasure from the earth is - or certainly ought to be - a politically relevant fact, but one which far too many people remain utterly ignorant of, blithely imagining that whites will go on existing in perpetuity - an opinion totally contrary to demonstrable fact.

    Too often in racial debates, two pro-whites end up talking past each other because, apart from establishing that the other is broadly "pro-white" (ie is sick of anti-white bs, accepts race-realism, wants immigration restricted), they have not identified what the other's ultimate political objective is. Is the objective to secure white racial existence? Or is the objective to form a pro-white political alliance that may result in something far less than long-term white racial existence? Obviously, there isn't always time to establish such things in the midst of the rapid-fire back-and-forth that forms the vast bulk of internet commentary. But for those with more than a passing interest in the issue, it's very important to decide where one stands on this issue, and to determine where an essayist or an opinion-leader stands.

    Great post.

    The question is an open one for many on our side of the divide even if they don’t entirely realize it yet. Is Derb, for example, serving his posterity well by providing them with POC protection? If it’s be conquered or be exterminated, decisions have to be made.

    I share your sentiments about striking the right rhetorical approach–these are existentially serious questions but they don’t strike normies as such.

  159. @Audacious Epigone
    Among the more quant-oriented/autistic/nerdy end of the dissident right it's not vanishingly rare. The alt right anime meme isn't pulled out of thin air, though your point is well taken.

    The alt right anime meme isn’t pulled out of thin air

    Sigh…the reasons just keep piling up…
    https://mobile.twitter.com/Caliphatememes/status/1042825165325905921

    Peace.

  160. @iffen
    I predict the formation of a mulatto racial identity.

    99% of mulattoes in the US identify as black.

    MOE: +/- 1%

  161. @Achmed E. Newman
    As with all surveys, it's really about how the questions are asked. This is another example, A.E. Does that 46% on the white bar really mean that 54% would rather the border be wide open like it is? Nah, there are probably a number who are just very precise in their interpretation and answers - say "a good border barrier with double-fence, concertina wire, 50,000 cameras, manned posts every 2 miles, and drones would be fine .. so 'NO'"

    People like that often may NOT be good at academic multiple choice tests, which can be done right or wrong, and are very tricky to make air-tight. As a responder to a poll like this, it behooves you to think of how the data will be used. See, this is not a survey to allow a border-control arm of the US Gov't to determine (by popular demand, which'd be stupid anyway) what kind of barrier to build. You've got to think "hey, if I say 'NO' then people will take it as I don't support any control of that border." Some nerdy people can't think like this ... just sayin' ...

    I suspect the percentages of people responding to polls who really think through how the answers they provide will be interpreted is in the single digits. No doubt there is some reflexive coloring of responses (“does this make me sound waaaaycist?!”), but beyond first-order effects I doubt there is much there.

  162. @silviosilver
    Lol, I just noticed the true edgelord color scheme of the bar chart. Nice.

    To any SJWs freaked out by it, I offer the following advice: Judge not a chart by the color of its bars, but by the character of its contents.

    The people who faint from the color scheme are the same people who have an aneurysm when they hear the phrase “it’s okay to be white”. Screw them.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    "Screw 'em" is right, A.E.!* Also, however, your making the colors match best the alleged (or commonly thought-of) skin colors of thes groups makes interpreting the graphs much, much quicker! For any of these in which the colors mean nothing, I've got to keep going back-and-forth to the legend.

    My simplest example of this is the damn blue=D, red=R scheme that the Lyin' Press has been using since the early 1990's (per Steve Sailer and/or his commenters) before then, the scheme flipped back and forth each 4 years. Every time I think of the colors I've got to make myeslf remember "oh, yeah, they are reversed from what you would think." I mean, to this day, A.E. It's worse than just random colors - say green for Orientals, orange for Blacks, etc., so long as you keep those the same for all graphs consistently. At least then, one could get them down in the head after a while, as meaningless as they are.

    I really think of the R-squad and D-squad as parts of the same Party nowadays. Still, if anyone is closer to Communism, in which bright red is no doubt their color (hell, they're even called"reds") it's the D's - actually they're pretty damn close these days, come to think of it. So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D's. It's been annoying for a very long time.

    Sorry for the digression. Thank you for doing the graphs right, making them easily interpreted.

    .

    * or, "more power to the aneurysm", I might say.

    , @Jay Fink
    I normally don't pay attention to details and wouldn't notice color schemes...but I noticed that one right away and I got a kick out of it.
  163. @Twinkie

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world.
     
    Yup, that’s why the biggest boy band in the world now is South Korean BTS.

    I’d not known of that group’s existence until just now. Five minutes later and I just want to watch the whole world burn.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  164. @Rosie

    From one perspective, I guess it’s encouraging that, despite the immigration debate being largely about hispanics, such a relatively high percentage of hispanics is willing to overlook the implied insult.
     
    I don't really think there is an implied insult. One might mistakenly assume there is if one believes that affirmative racial pride and desire for continuity isn't real, but rather a phony cover for antipathy to the other.

    I'm not in the least bit offended by the desire of China to remain Chinese or Nigeria to remain black, but then perhaps that is a poor comparison. Hispanics may harbor a preexisting inferiority complex as a result of which they see an insult that is not intended, but that, of course, is their problem.

    On the other hand, there is indeed a very clear insult to Whites implied in the idea that our disappearance from the face of the Earth should be of no concern even to ourselves let alone anyone else.

    If I absconded to Japan, I’d unironically support (future) immigration restriction–for Japan.

  165. @Peter Akuleyev
    The Wall has succeeded only in uniting the mentally retarded, and making immigration opponents support a mentally retarded pointless proposal. More and more it seems like Trump is actually a Manchurian candidate for the open borders crowd. No President in recent history has done more damage to the cause of immigration restriction than Trump. I knew from history that everything Trump touches turns to shit, but this is unbelievable.

    Now there’s some 4D chess nonsense there. No other president would have every Republican member of congress on his feet clapping in support of a wall along the US-Mexico border. He’s a transitional figure. Without a transition, the country is finished. I won’t make the mediocre the enemy of the perfect.

    • Agree: iffen
  166. @216
    https://twitter.com/TAPPhD/status/1092934424797290506

    Some of us call that harassment.

    The huge increase in the use of the word “space” over the last couple of years is really obnoxious. It’s the worst kind of pretentious charlatanism.

  167. @Hail
    Much depends on the share of Whites making the hard turn you describe.

    ('Hard' in two senses: hard to do psychologically, as you say, and also hard as in 'hardline,' extreme, at least relative to what the regime's acceptable range of opinion. Granted, in world-historical terms it is hardly extreme to take one's own side.)

    The much-commented-on phenomenon is, ofc, "As White % goes down, the 'Red Pill' share goes up" (with also some marginal losses to 'Wigger-dom'). The two trends are even now in a below-surface race for the finishline. The daily media gossip-frivolity has totally missed these ongoing trends and is still missing them now, which explains why everyone was taken so by surprise by MAGA, which was clearly energized by the 'hard turn' wing. MAGA was impossible with the demographics of 25 years earlier (Pat Buchanan tried...).

    I believe there is reason for optimism. We do not need 100% of Whites, nor even 50%. There is a theoretical critical mass point and it is far lower than one might think.

    Simple model for the share of 'blue' Whites who have made this hard turn (made up numbers, perhaps plausible):

    b.1940s: 5%
    b.1960s: 10%
    b.1980s: 20%
    b.2000s: 25%?

    What is the critical mass / threshold? I don't know.

    20% is the figure I hear tossed around most authoritatively. Otoh, the Bolsheviks did it with less than 1%. On the other other hand, the Bolsheviks.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    The Constitutional patriot types (whom I support wholeheartedly) use the number 3% regularly from a supposed only 3% of colonists who were ACTIVE in the revolution against Great Britain.
  168. @Audacious Epigone
    The people who faint from the color scheme are the same people who have an aneurysm when they hear the phrase "it's okay to be white". Screw them.

    “Screw ’em” is right, A.E.!* Also, however, your making the colors match best the alleged (or commonly thought-of) skin colors of thes groups makes interpreting the graphs much, much quicker! For any of these in which the colors mean nothing, I’ve got to keep going back-and-forth to the legend.

    My simplest example of this is the damn blue=D, red=R scheme that the Lyin’ Press has been using since the early 1990’s (per Steve Sailer and/or his commenters) before then, the scheme flipped back and forth each 4 years. Every time I think of the colors I’ve got to make myeslf remember “oh, yeah, they are reversed from what you would think.” I mean, to this day, A.E. It’s worse than just random colors – say green for Orientals, orange for Blacks, etc., so long as you keep those the same for all graphs consistently. At least then, one could get them down in the head after a while, as meaningless as they are.

    I really think of the R-squad and D-squad as parts of the same Party nowadays. Still, if anyone is closer to Communism, in which bright red is no doubt their color (hell, they’re even called”reds”) it’s the D’s – actually they’re pretty damn close these days, come to think of it. So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D’s. It’s been annoying for a very long time.

    Sorry for the digression. Thank you for doing the graphs right, making them easily interpreted.

    .

    * or, “more power to the aneurysm”, I might say.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D’s.

    Perhaps a small sample size, but some of us are delighted by having the color red for "our" side. The only problem I have is deciding whether to put on my red MAGA cap or my Phrygian cap.

  169. @Audacious Epigone
    20% is the figure I hear tossed around most authoritatively. Otoh, the Bolsheviks did it with less than 1%. On the other other hand, the Bolsheviks.

    The Constitutional patriot types (whom I support wholeheartedly) use the number 3% regularly from a supposed only 3% of colonists who were ACTIVE in the revolution against Great Britain.

  170. @Stan d Mute

    The top three Korean surnames famously claim nearly half of all Koreans.
     
    And here I thought that they all just looked the same..

    Well, in fairness, Korea was a very poor country until only rather recently. So I imagine multiple sets of parents were passing around the same can when it came time to name their children.

  171. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "If you look at casual attitudes among blacks, any given person questioning the concept of black racial unity is vastly more likely to appear “light” or “mixed” (to a non-black)."

    My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.

    My observation after actually working with and living among blacks in the Chicago area over the last 17 years is that the above is a conclusion based almost purely on fantasy.

    So what are you saying, that in your experience “blacks” who question the notion of black racial unity are darker than average?

    Because remember, I didn’t saying it was common for blacks to question black racial unity; I said that of those who do question it, from what I’ve observed (on the internet), most are the lighter, highly mixed variety. They openly wonder whether they really should identify as black. And the most vehement opposition I’ve seen comes from very black blacks.

    If you lived around them for 17 years in Chicago, I’m sure you learned a lot, but this isn’t the sort of thing they’re likely to talk to a white guy about. Or you disagree? Are you going to claim you’ve had numerous conversations with blacks about the subject of black racial unity?

  172. @MikeatMikedotMike
    " American blacks and whites have enough historical and cultural coommonalities that these could form the basis of emotional bonds strong enough to resist the encroachments of the rest of planet Earth (including Derb’s beloved Asians) – if enough blacks ever got over their reflexive anti-white animosity."

    There has been enough evidence observed to confidently refute this notion over the last 50 plus years.

    The future doesn’t necessarily equal the past. If it did, nothing would ever change. That’s just obvious.

  173. @Twinkie

    Some might, but I think a majority would be okay with limited legal immigration if the economic conditions improve.
     
    The key operative phrase is “limited.”

    Most whites I know support restrictions on both legal and illegal immigration - I happen to agree, and you know I am not a white nationalist (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    The only whites I know who support legal immigration expansion are invariably tech executives.

    (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
     
    As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.

    In a large family, it is possible to adopt a child or two and have successful integration (especially if the child or children in question are docile). But you can’t engage in endless adoptions without significantly altering the family dynamic, usually for the worse.

    And that’s the principle side of things. On a more personal and sentimental note, my wife’s people are heartland whites. So they are my people too. They are the backbone of this country, and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization.
  174. @Hypnotoad666
    The Left has been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with a "Nazi/Fascist/Racist/White Supremacist" since GW Bush at least (probably Nixon, really). They will do so forever regardless of what anyone on the right does -- or, at least until these words lose all meaning and they have to make up some new insults.

    The Alt Right as been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with, specifically normies, by way of “race traitor, Fake American, cuck, or anti-white ” since its inception. They will do so forever because white people are making their own decisions regarding race and culture, which really pisses them off. I mean, how dare they exercise “muh liberty”. Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.

    • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

    Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.
     
    I agree, it's good to periodically update and refresh the stock insults. The Right has been far more creative in this department without a doubt.

    "Cuck" is a pretty recent coinage and still works nicely. It seems to me it started out as an epithet against RINO Republican who campaigned one way and then sold out their base in office. It gets used a little too indiscriminately, IMHO, however.

    "SJW," "soy boy," "Libtard," are all pretty serviceable. The NPC meme was pretty good and "learn to code" wasn't bad for insulting journalists. These days, one can always tell when a hit is scored against Leftists because their social media companies will start banning the usage to protect them.

    "Anti-White" is simply descriptive and isn't trying to be particularly clever or insulting. It will have to get used more -- perhaps along with the term "anti-white racism" -- precisely because the dominant PC dogma is that only whites can be racist and no racism can be perpetrated against whites. So talking about anti-white racism is an automatic cognitive dissonance trigger.

    Meanwhile, the Left is still calling everyone "Nazi/Fascist/Racist" for everything. I guess they figure it's worked well for 50 years so why stop now.
  175. @Anon
    Well, you are in luck. The numbers of self-identified Japanese and Koreans in the United States have declined in absolute terms since the respective heydays of their immigration (these days it’s getting harder and harder to find pure-blooded Japanese in America). That will likely happen with the Chinese too as the Chinese economy grows more advanced.

    East Asian women, if given a choice, prefer white(even black in some cases) over Asian men who have no manhood value on the global scale. Asian men had manhood when Asia was isolated from the world. But in globalized culture, even Chinese boys look to NBA stars as model of manhood. And Asian women dream of coming to the West and hooking up with white men. Because Asian women have global value whereas Asian men don't, we have guys in Japan and South Korea trying to be effete and gayish. Since they have no value as men, they try to score points as girly-boys. Also, Japanese women are leading the way in producing babies with black men. As these mulattoes are so much better than Japanese in sports, they are taking over as the face of Japanese athleticism and manhood. This depresses Japanese male pride even further. It was bad enough to lose Sumo titles to Mongols. Now, Japanese men lose their women to blacks, and these women produce black kids who beat Japanese in Japanese sports and become the new face of globo-Japan. And South Korea is importing African runners to run for Korea. So, the globo-face of South Korea will be black as sports define so much of modern culture and identity. Look what black takeover of Western sports did to white psyche. Whites got cucked and wussy.

    South Korea has birthrate below 1.0. An imitation-nation of the US, it once became hardlline Christian in imitation of the US. Now that US is ruled by globo-homo ideology, South Koreans are imitating with the fervor of Korean Christians of old. Mindless and doglike. If there's METOO here, there is METOO in South Korea as well. As South Korea becomes diverse via mass immigration that is pushed by its elites who are no different from those in Sweden and UK, it will become like Latin America in no time. And since South Korea will be demographically so different from homogeneous North Korea, the two Koreans will never unite. Only 6% of South Korean youths say they identify with North Koreans as fellow nationals. They were weaned on PC and taught to identify globally than nationally.
    Both Christianity and globo-homo turned Korean identity from nationalism to universalism by rules of PC. At this point, both South Korea and Japan are finished. The trends in manhood, demography, and ideology are so dire that they will fade away at record pace as civilizations.
    And there is also the factor of elitism. With so many of men and women going to college in JP and SK, people would rather commit suicide and die or move to another nation if they can't have a 'clean' job at home. With so many women entering the workforce, men have less opportunity to get work and get married.
    So, in the end, Jungle Asians will take over SK and Japan. And a huge hit in SK was a movie called PUNCH about a half-filipino kid. SK is pushing hard for diversity and vilifying nationalism as 'xenophobia'. As 80% of Korean youths identify as 'progressive', it's game over for that country. As the older generation dies out, SK will become another Ireland, UK, or Sweden. As Korean elites are status-starved dogs, their main desire is to be accepted and approved by the globo-homo hegemonists who rule the world.

    But then, the older generation is also to blame in both Japan and SK(and Taiwan too). As hardline capitalist-materialists, they stressed economy and wealth and status above all else. So, new generations of Asians grew up with slavish admiration for anything with most power and wealth. And that was the US. As US came under Jewish globo-homo control, Asians began to imitate all those values. In a materialist society, one's core identity is status, not blood. In Israel, rich Jews and poor Jews are first and foremost Jews. But in modern East Asia, status comes first. An affluent Japanese or Korean would rather have his children identify with winners of other nations and races than with losers of their own race.

    Whiskey, is that you?

  176. @iffen
    (though I support implicit white majoritarianism).

    I'm not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I'm all in.

    I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.

    As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.

    In a large family, it is possible to adopt a child or two and have successful integration (especially if the child or children in question are docile). But you can’t engage in endless adoptions without significantly altering the family dynamic, usually for the worse.

    And that’s the principle side of things. On a more personal and sentimental note, my wife’s people are heartland whites. So they are my people too. They are the backbone of this country, and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    I understand what you are saying, but whiteness is not a sufficient basis for creating your "culturally strong, confident" majority. Once you move to add something concrete like political ideals (even though we trace most of ours back to England, Europe and Western Civilization in general) then other groups have to be included, not as "good" assimilated people, but as full and rightful owners. I don’t know if you remember my telling you about my experiences with the descendants of Korean War brides. One was in the late fifties in elementary school and one was when my children were at home in the 80’s. It would have been absolutely impossible for me to consider myself “more” rightfully American than the 2nd and 3rd generations with whom I interacted. I am confident that I am not the only white person who feels this way.

    and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization

    Ditto for me, and that goes for all Americans regardless of race or ethnicity..

  177. @Twinkie

    I’m not sure exactly what is meant here. If you mean the ideal of the melting pot then I’m all in.
     
    As you know from our other discussions, I’m an assimilationist. But successful assimilation requires a culturally strong, confident, and cohesive majority (of whites in the case of the United States). So I support policies and cultural mores that make that more likely.

    In a large family, it is possible to adopt a child or two and have successful integration (especially if the child or children in question are docile). But you can’t engage in endless adoptions without significantly altering the family dynamic, usually for the worse.

    And that’s the principle side of things. On a more personal and sentimental note, my wife’s people are heartland whites. So they are my people too. They are the backbone of this country, and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization.

    I understand what you are saying, but whiteness is not a sufficient basis for creating your “culturally strong, confident” majority. Once you move to add something concrete like political ideals (even though we trace most of ours back to England, Europe and Western Civilization in general) then other groups have to be included, not as “good” assimilated people, but as full and rightful owners. I don’t know if you remember my telling you about my experiences with the descendants of Korean War brides. One was in the late fifties in elementary school and one was when my children were at home in the 80’s. It would have been absolutely impossible for me to consider myself “more” rightfully American than the 2nd and 3rd generations with whom I interacted. I am confident that I am not the only white person who feels this way.

    and I would fight tooth and nail against their demonization and marginalization

    Ditto for me, and that goes for all Americans regardless of race or ethnicity..

  178. @Hail

    Virginia Coup D’etat 2019 !!!
     
    Disagree. This is bad precedent and an endorsement of anti-White race hoax politics.

    The only commentator who looks good in this affair is Peter Brimelow.

    https://twitter.com/peterbrimelow/status/1091501347709566977

    Everyone else, who threw in with the racial lynch mob side, has demeaned him or herself. This includes the Red Team cheerleaders like most at Fox News. It includes motley revolution-eats-its-own race-hustlers and virtue-signalling airheads. It tragically seems to include Ann Coulter, who should know better.

    It also sadly includes Tucker Carlson, who joined the yipping chorus at Fox and has seemed to endorse the idea that this goofball 'crime' (dressing up as Michael Jackson for Halloween once) or the dubious pic from some nonsense 35-year-old yearbook no one ever saw, is definitely grounds for salt-the-earth personal destruction, if not quite prison time. (What a joke of a country...).

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, "Hold it, you're all forming a lynch mob over what?"

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”

    You make an excellent point. It’s actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:

    Step One: The Left creates an idiotic PC standard for attacking and destroying Republicans/Conservatives/White People (wearing blackface or being a drunken cad in college). The Right complains but the Left gets to virtue signal as being holier than thou and having zero tolerance.

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage — “See, they are really the racists and sexists.”

    Step Three: Both sides have now agreed and there is a consensus and a precedent that this petty PC BS is the new litmus test.

    Apparently, it just takes too much message discipline and foresight to skip step two and NOT call Northam a disqualified racist.

    • Replies: @Hail

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage
     
    I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:

    Change "the Right" above to "the Red-Team."

    A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. "Politics," for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation's fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)

    This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I'll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the "horrible crime" of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that's Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.

  179. @Corvinus
    The Alt Right as been reflexively calling everyone they disagree with, specifically normies, by way of “race traitor, Fake American, cuck, or anti-white ” since its inception. They will do so forever because white people are making their own decisions regarding race and culture, which really pisses them off. I mean, how dare they exercise "muh liberty". Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it's back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.

    Those words have lost their effectiveness, so it’s back to the drawing board to make up some new insults and memes.

    I agree, it’s good to periodically update and refresh the stock insults. The Right has been far more creative in this department without a doubt.

    “Cuck” is a pretty recent coinage and still works nicely. It seems to me it started out as an epithet against RINO Republican who campaigned one way and then sold out their base in office. It gets used a little too indiscriminately, IMHO, however.

    “SJW,” “soy boy,” “Libtard,” are all pretty serviceable. The NPC meme was pretty good and “learn to code” wasn’t bad for insulting journalists. These days, one can always tell when a hit is scored against Leftists because their social media companies will start banning the usage to protect them.

    “Anti-White” is simply descriptive and isn’t trying to be particularly clever or insulting. It will have to get used more — perhaps along with the term “anti-white racism” — precisely because the dominant PC dogma is that only whites can be racist and no racism can be perpetrated against whites. So talking about anti-white racism is an automatic cognitive dissonance trigger.

    Meanwhile, the Left is still calling everyone “Nazi/Fascist/Racist” for everything. I guess they figure it’s worked well for 50 years so why stop now.

  180. @Audacious Epigone
    The people who faint from the color scheme are the same people who have an aneurysm when they hear the phrase "it's okay to be white". Screw them.

    I normally don’t pay attention to details and wouldn’t notice color schemes…but I noticed that one right away and I got a kick out of it.

  181. @Hypnotoad666

    It would have been noble and characteristic of Tucker to have instead said, “Hold it, you’re all forming a lynch mob over what?”
     
    You make an excellent point. It's actually one of the very insidious ways that PC culture acts as a one-way ratchet by co-opting its initial opponents:

    Step One: The Left creates an idiotic PC standard for attacking and destroying Republicans/Conservatives/White People (wearing blackface or being a drunken cad in college). The Right complains but the Left gets to virtue signal as being holier than thou and having zero tolerance.

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can't resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage -- "See, they are really the racists and sexists."

    Step Three: Both sides have now agreed and there is a consensus and a precedent that this petty PC BS is the new litmus test.

    Apparently, it just takes too much message discipline and foresight to skip step two and NOT call Northam a disqualified racist.

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage

    I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:

    Change “the Right” above to “the Red-Team.”

    A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. “Politics,” for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation’s fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)

    This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I’ll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the “horrible crime” of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that’s Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.

    • Replies: @iffen
    Your problem is that you end up having to defend (X).
  182. @Hail

    Step Two: The same allegation are leveled against someone on the Left. But now the Right can’t resist using the same BS standard for tactical advantage
     
    I agree with your analysis but would amend as follows:

    Change "the Right" above to "the Red-Team."

    A whole lot of people who follow politics seem to just be in it as a kind of highbrow version of follow-my-favorite-sports-team and/or follow-the-latest-celebrity-gossip. "Politics," for FoxNews/CNN/MSNBC viewers and the like, blends elements from both sports fandom (cheerleading the team) and celebrity-gossip-ism, dressing up the product thereof in a suit and tie, and giving the new creation airs of utmost importance re the nation's fate. (It is rather ridiculous, when viewed in this light, of course.)

    This phenomenon is much remarked upon but I'll toss it in to make it explicit in this discussion. To the extent that Tucker was the one behind the decision to pile on Gov. Northam for the "horrible crime" of dressing up as Michael Jackson once in his early 20s, that's Tucker falling back into his bad old ways of Red-Team cheerleading. Not helpful. IMO.

    Your problem is that you end up having to defend (X).

  183. @Achmed E. Newman
    "Screw 'em" is right, A.E.!* Also, however, your making the colors match best the alleged (or commonly thought-of) skin colors of thes groups makes interpreting the graphs much, much quicker! For any of these in which the colors mean nothing, I've got to keep going back-and-forth to the legend.

    My simplest example of this is the damn blue=D, red=R scheme that the Lyin' Press has been using since the early 1990's (per Steve Sailer and/or his commenters) before then, the scheme flipped back and forth each 4 years. Every time I think of the colors I've got to make myeslf remember "oh, yeah, they are reversed from what you would think." I mean, to this day, A.E. It's worse than just random colors - say green for Orientals, orange for Blacks, etc., so long as you keep those the same for all graphs consistently. At least then, one could get them down in the head after a while, as meaningless as they are.

    I really think of the R-squad and D-squad as parts of the same Party nowadays. Still, if anyone is closer to Communism, in which bright red is no doubt their color (hell, they're even called"reds") it's the D's - actually they're pretty damn close these days, come to think of it. So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D's. It's been annoying for a very long time.

    Sorry for the digression. Thank you for doing the graphs right, making them easily interpreted.

    .

    * or, "more power to the aneurysm", I might say.

    So, my mind continues to want to associate the color red with the D’s.

    Perhaps a small sample size, but some of us are delighted by having the color red for “our” side. The only problem I have is deciding whether to put on my red MAGA cap or my Phrygian cap.

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