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What defends the health of the entire system kicks into overdrive as the real threats the system exists to deal with are gone. It’s moral hygiene theory. As the condition deteriorates, wokeuhbody production increases exponentially. The body politic makes ever more while the last self-reactive cells are removed via regulatory bodies (deplatformed), forced into anergy (Conservative, Inc), or otherwise put out of commission (bike locks).

I hope my diagnosis here is as wrong as it would be if I were playing a physician trying to correctly diagnose an amyloidosis sufferer. My take is myositis. On second thought, you’re looking at lupus. Wait, now I see Celiac’s. Cutting to the chase, it’s actually Crohn’s!

 
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  1. Definitely crohns considering how utterly full of **** the system is.

  2. Cleaning out the system by cutting down on the inflamatory foods and generally shifting to vegetables and real meat while throwing out bread, sugar, and processed stuff can really help with many autoimmune disorders.

    How would that work for the body politic? It would mean getting millions of people to stop their “inflamed” lifestyles of constant hysteria.

    Which in turn really would also mean that they should stop being tubs of lard living off antidepressants and opioids. To lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body politic, perhaps we need fo lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body biological.

    When people are no longer inflamed drug-addled warped-body zombies, things could start becoming…healthy.

    • Replies: @Mark Miller
    @Rahan

    So basically you're saying nothing short of a curative conflagration will cure these ills?

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Rahan

    That is a very holistic approach to American society nearing Peak Stupidity, Rahan. I am no holistic practitioner as you seem to be. I don't need the practice; I'm good!

    My prescription is simple, but as with yours, totally Hole-istic: This country needs an ENEMA, STAT!

  3. I think things are exponential in trending downwards. It is like white flight: a black moves in, this is critical mass for X people who leave, which makes the community less white, which causes more to leave, which makes it less white, which causes more to leave…and so forth. Until you have terminal decline, but decline goes both ways and the system isn’t partisan and sooner or later that group will decline too.

  4. Sometimes even I forget the extent to which GloboHomo drugs its population into obedience:
    https://psychcentral.com/news/2011/10/25/antidepressant-use-up-400-percent-in-us/30677.html

    The more GloboHomo society becomes, the more “everything is fine it’s all in your mind” pills the citizens have to take in order to accept the rising tide of bullcrap, and go around muttering “no, everything’s fine, everything’s fine, don’t be a stupid fascist, everything’s fine…”

    Combine this with the inflamatory foods and inflamatory media–baam!

    Or rather–whiiiiimper!

    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of “attention disorder” pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.
    When I look at a random graph like this one: https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/antidepressant-medicine-use
    It seems that the Anglosphere, Sweden, plus some southern countries like Spain and Portugal are being drugged into compliance on an industrial scale, while for example Italy, Hungary, and Slovakia are not. This certainly seems to overlap with levels of submission to GloboHomo.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Rahan


    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of “attention disorder” pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.
     
    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Rahan

    And what's worse, Iceland is so far north that I can understand anti depressant use... imagine being stuck on a tiny dark island.

    Which sadly makes Canada #1. Anecdotaly, SSRI use is quite high here.

    Which makes sense, it has become a miserable, cultureless, lifeless vessel of Globohomo. One thing foreigners notice is that we have no culture and that everybody is miserable.

    Canadians have always been known to be reserved. But the misery is a new thing.

  5. Just a quick aside on the topic of “more brainwashed” and less “brainwashed” societies.

    Remember this little piece of news from earlier this year? The one that everyone pretended never happened and isn’t really important?

    When in Italy the police broke up a gang of doctors and politicians who brainwashed kids with electricity in order to implant fake memories of sex abuse, so that the kids could be taken from their parents and “sold” to childless couples?
    https://www.rt.com/news/463028-italy-children-abuse-mayor/
    https://newspunch.com/italy-arrests-officials-brainwashing-selling-children/

    I hope to God I’m wrong, but I have dark suspicions that this is happening all across GloboHomo lands, and that far from only happening this one time in Italy, it’s rather that Italy was one of the very few places where people are still sane (not Woke, not drugged) enough to realize what’s up and do something about it.

  6. What defends the health of the entire system kicks into overdrive as the real threats the system exists to deal with are gone.

    Take a look at the action in the Repo and Credit markets and couple that with current demographics, and you might discern we are on the brink of a financial and economic meltdown that will make the Great Depression look like good times. Trump is focussed on the stock market, and the rest of government and its symbiote, the MSM, are focussed on taking down Trump and, perhaps, the Middle East, and no one is paying attention to the real world inside our own borders.

    Actually, as an émigrë, I should probably get past referring to ‘our borders’ and go make my drawbridge operable in my new host country.

  7. Wrong diagnosis, people like to point out the all the symptoms, but real cause is the jew. Europe had multiple pogroms against jews over the centuries, that is how Europe managed to survive, but for the last 70 years the patient has been left untreated.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Disagree: Jay Fink, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
    @neutral



    Wrong diagnosis, people like to point out the all the symptoms, but real cause is the jew. Europe had multiple pogroms against jews over the centuries, that is how Europe managed to survive, but for the last 70 years the patient has been left untreated.

     

    Unfettered, unlike in the past, organized Jewry is now in full nation-wrecking mode.

    However, it can't should all the blame.

    For example you have Northern European egalitarianism that has now been extended to non-Europeans e.g. self-righteous Yankees with their war over slavery plus Americans and Brits who voted for Hussein Obama as president and Sadiq Khan as London mayor, respectively, to show they aren't 'racist'. Then you have Norwegians with their insane altruism towards Africa.

    Women are also the bane of civilizations once given a voice in public policy and when put in positions of authority.

    Cologne woman reports pregnancy after NYE rape
    https://www.thelocal.de/20160715/cologne-woman-discovered-pregnancy-after-nye-rape-new-year-sexual-assaults

    Rivers of Blood: Muslim Gang Attacks “White Bastards” In United Kingdom
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/10/21/rivers-of-blood-muslim-gang-attacks-white-bastards-in-united-kingdom/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOfQPMNDYw
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @neutral

    Israel is doing pretty well.

    Is there a correlation between the Jewish percentage of a majority-European population and positive or negative outcomes?

  8. My take is myositis. On second thought, you’re looking at lupus. Wait, now I see Celiac’s. Cutting to the chase, it’s actually Crohn’s!

    More like AIDS. People don’t die of AIDS directly, but from diseases which take advantage of the lack of immunity. Likewise, Swedes are not dying of wokeness, but their culture will soon be dead because of who wokeness has let in. Swedes are a prime example because they haven’t any natural predators in recent history (no wars) so they vulnerable. Like the birds on the Galápagos Islands in Darwin’s time who could be easily plucked from trees because they had no predators. In other countries it’s certain classes who are sheltered/woke, but in Sweden it’s nearly the whole country.

  9. Wokeness and globalism are AIDS, not an autoimmune disease.

  10. The truth is decadence is fun, and high civilization is boring.

    Or rather, civilization can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. And decadence can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. Creation is fun for a while, and then destruction is fun.

    Strait-laced Victorian civilization lasting forever would have been horrifically boring. Scientific civilization lasting forever would be horrifically boring.

    So we are destroying both – fun!

    History is a circle, not a straight line. The most profound symbol of reality is the Chinese yin-yang symbol. Can’t have yang without yin, and vice versa.

    Can’t have civilization without decadence, good rule without misrule, strength without weakness, etc

    Can’t have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.

    There is nothing wrong or bad about modern times – its normal, healthy, and part of the process of destruction that comes after a period of building up.

    But the old Western civilization thinks in terms of straight lines and progress. And there is nothing wrong in thinking this way. That too is a natural corollary of a world where other people think in terms of circles.

    The attitude I’m describing here is just for anyone who wants an alternative. To those who think in terms of straight lines and progress – you’re a necessary part of it too. Continue thinking that way. Unenlightened people are as necessary as enlightenment people.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    @AaronB


    Can’t have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.
     
    Unfortunately it's too late for this little guy.

    Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-jury-rules-against-dad-trying-to-save-his-7-year-old-from-gender-transition

    Replies: @AaronB, @AaronB

    , @The Alarmist
    @AaronB


    ... and high civilization is boring.
     
    Worse than that: High civilisation takes effort, patience, and manners.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @AaronB

    I like spirals better, Aaron. You may be a Strauss & Howe Generations and/or Fourth Turning reader. Things can go in cycles, but it'd be nice if each time around we are higher up in civilization and prosperity. With the drastic changing of the demographics of this planet, I don't think we'll be any higher up after this "crisis" period.

    Even Communism is making a comeback, as people don't even have a memory of 30 damn years ago. It's likely some nations are going to take it up the Yin Yang again.

    Replies: @AaronB, @dfordoom

  11. @AaronB
    The truth is decadence is fun, and high civilization is boring.

    Or rather, civilization can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. And decadence can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. Creation is fun for a while, and then destruction is fun.

    Strait-laced Victorian civilization lasting forever would have been horrifically boring. Scientific civilization lasting forever would be horrifically boring.

    So we are destroying both - fun!

    History is a circle, not a straight line. The most profound symbol of reality is the Chinese yin-yang symbol. Can't have yang without yin, and vice versa.

    Can't have civilization without decadence, good rule without misrule, strength without weakness, etc

    Can't have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.

    There is nothing wrong or bad about modern times - its normal, healthy, and part of the process of destruction that comes after a period of building up.

    But the old Western civilization thinks in terms of straight lines and progress. And there is nothing wrong in thinking this way. That too is a natural corollary of a world where other people think in terms of circles.

    The attitude I'm describing here is just for anyone who wants an alternative. To those who think in terms of straight lines and progress - you're a necessary part of it too. Continue thinking that way. Unenlightened people are as necessary as enlightenment people.

    Replies: @Miro23, @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman

    Can’t have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.

    Unfortunately it’s too late for this little guy.

    Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-jury-rules-against-dad-trying-to-save-his-7-year-old-from-gender-transition

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Miro23

    You do realize that in the Middle Ages people including children were literally burned at the stake for having "wrong" beliefs. In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed.

    Mankind has always done horrific things to people who have the wrong attitudes and beliefs. Children were not and never have been spared.

    After good rule, comes misrule. Because good rule becomes boring.

    Replies: @orionyx

    , @AaronB
    @Miro23

    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the "strictness " of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.

    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

    The West is decadent now in large part because being too dog grew dull. There was nothing left to do in this department. The whole world submitted to us. None could resist us. That grows boring. So now its fun for elite whites to act inferior.

    There are two ways a culture can satisfy the human need for opposites. One, it can offer both options. China offered strait laced Confucianism and wild and anarchic Taoism. Many Confucian officials later in life retired to the mountains to live a life of wild Taoism. In Hindu culture you were supposed to ditch all cares and responsibilities later in life and wander the mountains, free and wild.

    In these cultures also at any phase in life you had contact with the wild, anarchic, free side of life, the anti civilization side, the spiritual side, through the esoteric religious scriptures and artistic traditions. They never built material civilization too high and made things too strait laced. They accomodated human nature in its wholeness.

    The West took a different path - maximum of creative but strait laced civilization with high standards and intense effort followed by periods of destruction and decadence and chaos and misrule.

    I have no idea why the West took this path. Probably in a world where some cultures took the balanced path, others must take the extreme path. Everything has its opposite, and must have.

    Replies: @Miro23

  12. @Miro23
    @AaronB


    Can’t have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.
     
    Unfortunately it's too late for this little guy.

    Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-jury-rules-against-dad-trying-to-save-his-7-year-old-from-gender-transition

    Replies: @AaronB, @AaronB

    You do realize that in the Middle Ages people including children were literally burned at the stake for having “wrong” beliefs. In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed.

    Mankind has always done horrific things to people who have the wrong attitudes and beliefs. Children were not and never have been spared.

    After good rule, comes misrule. Because good rule becomes boring.

    • Replies: @orionyx
    @AaronB

    " In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed. "
    I hear this often, but I;ve never seen a genuine report. Do you think you could supply one? And don''t give me ISIS - we all know who ((that)) tracks back to.

    Replies: @AaronB

  13. I don’t buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    • Agree: dfordoom, sayless
    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Not My Economy


    I don’t buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

     

    There are no more business cycles anymore beyond certain reactions to asset bubbles caused by monetary extremism and monetary interventionism. Volcker went 20 percent federal funds rate in 1981 and that set the scene for the debt bomb of all debt bombs and the three big asset bubbles. The current asset bubble number three is bigger than the previous two, and when it implodes, ruling classes all over the globe will be removed rather quickly.

    Economic cycles of debt and economic cycles that metaphorically correspond to biological fluctuations could be related to generational cohorts and the like.

    The globalized plutocrats and the upper middle class and large numbers of government workers are using the distractionary nonsense of so-called racism and sexism and anti-Semitism and the squalid stuff to block any attempt at a systematic popular understanding of the civilizational destructiveness of globalization and financialization and mass immigration and multicultural mayhem and corruption.

    The corporate propaganda apparatus -- TV and internet and movies and newspapers and radio and the like -- must be targeted for a much needed legal obliteration through trust busting and license revocation.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    @Not My Economy


    I don’t buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

     

    Sven Henrich says:

    You don’t think the Fed is all about markets? Where have you been? After all, the Fed’s stated policy objective now is to extend the business cycle by any means necessary. And policy makers can’t do that with falling stock prices.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-federal-reserve-is-in-stealth-intervention-mode-2019-10-25?mod=newsviewer_click_seemore

    https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1187747362242023425?s=20

    I say the Federal Reserve Bank creates asset bubbles and then calls it the business cycle.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Not My Economy

    It's the new opiate of the over-educated, skill-less masses.

  14. @Miro23
    @AaronB


    Can’t have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.
     
    Unfortunately it's too late for this little guy.

    Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-jury-rules-against-dad-trying-to-save-his-7-year-old-from-gender-transition

    Replies: @AaronB, @AaronB

    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the “strictness ” of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.

    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

    The West is decadent now in large part because being too dog grew dull. There was nothing left to do in this department. The whole world submitted to us. None could resist us. That grows boring. So now its fun for elite whites to act inferior.

    There are two ways a culture can satisfy the human need for opposites. One, it can offer both options. China offered strait laced Confucianism and wild and anarchic Taoism. Many Confucian officials later in life retired to the mountains to live a life of wild Taoism. In Hindu culture you were supposed to ditch all cares and responsibilities later in life and wander the mountains, free and wild.

    In these cultures also at any phase in life you had contact with the wild, anarchic, free side of life, the anti civilization side, the spiritual side, through the esoteric religious scriptures and artistic traditions. They never built material civilization too high and made things too strait laced. They accomodated human nature in its wholeness.

    The West took a different path – maximum of creative but strait laced civilization with high standards and intense effort followed by periods of destruction and decadence and chaos and misrule.

    I have no idea why the West took this path. Probably in a world where some cultures took the balanced path, others must take the extreme path. Everything has its opposite, and must have.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    @AaronB


    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the “strictness ” of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.
    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

     

    Counter-culturalism is itself getting truly aged. 2019 isn't 1968. Even the supermarkets have abandoned rock music, and the hippy scruffs are wearing their 50 year old gear in the health centers . But they still control the media, and normalize the worst kind of decadent sleaze and SJW-ism - forced onto everyone else.

    Replies: @AaronB

  15. I have long used the metaphor of the immune system to understand our current collapse.

    Short version: all the now-demonized phobias and isms were in fact the constituent elements of our WhiteMale aka Western civilization’s immune system. Immune systems are blunt, fast-acting and don’t do nuance. That is their purpose. Now ours has been blasted from within by the HIV of rampant egalitarianism and so we are defenceless against a world of alien organisms, ideo-pathogens, that are eating us alive.

  16. The globalized plutocrats know that the retirement of the baby boomer cohort will destroy and remove ruling classes from power all over the world.

    The globalized central banker shysters have created three distinct asset bubbles that have benefited the baby boomers and the current asset bubble in stocks, bonds and real estate is getting set to implode.

    Monetary extremism is where to focus, not the distractionary stuff like accusations of so-called racism or sexism or anti-Semitism or the other stuff.

    Asset Bubbles Implode Without Constant Monetary Interventionism.

    Tweet from 2014:

  17. @Rahan
    Cleaning out the system by cutting down on the inflamatory foods and generally shifting to vegetables and real meat while throwing out bread, sugar, and processed stuff can really help with many autoimmune disorders.

    How would that work for the body politic? It would mean getting millions of people to stop their "inflamed" lifestyles of constant hysteria.

    Which in turn really would also mean that they should stop being tubs of lard living off antidepressants and opioids. To lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body politic, perhaps we need fo lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body biological.

    When people are no longer inflamed drug-addled warped-body zombies, things could start becoming...healthy.

    Replies: @Mark Miller, @Achmed E. Newman

    So basically you’re saying nothing short of a curative conflagration will cure these ills?

  18. @AaronB
    @Miro23

    You do realize that in the Middle Ages people including children were literally burned at the stake for having "wrong" beliefs. In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed.

    Mankind has always done horrific things to people who have the wrong attitudes and beliefs. Children were not and never have been spared.

    After good rule, comes misrule. Because good rule becomes boring.

    Replies: @orionyx

    ” In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed. ”
    I hear this often, but I;ve never seen a genuine report. Do you think you could supply one? And don”t give me ISIS – we all know who ((that)) tracks back to.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @orionyx

    I completely agree with you. Muslims are not to blame - for anything. Killing homosexuals - and anything else bad Muslims do - is entirely caused by (((they))) That much is obvious. (((They))) also caused Christians in the Middle Ages to burn heretics. Everyone knows this, its old news.

    But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Caused by tricky and nefarious (((them))) or not, mankind likes to kill and persecute those that threaten their beliefs.

    So the Young case is perfectly normal historically, as force is always used to enforce sacred beliefs.

    One can escape that by not having beliefs - God cannot be described and all that - but only a minority of mankind can rest on "nothing", as the Buddhists say.

    Anyways I'm suggesting nothing needs to - or can - change about the world. Only a change in perspective is needed by those who would not find the whole spectacle appalling.

    Replies: @SFG, @Audacious Epigone

  19. @Not My Economy
    I don't buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Charles Pewitt, @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    There are no more business cycles anymore beyond certain reactions to asset bubbles caused by monetary extremism and monetary interventionism. Volcker went 20 percent federal funds rate in 1981 and that set the scene for the debt bomb of all debt bombs and the three big asset bubbles. The current asset bubble number three is bigger than the previous two, and when it implodes, ruling classes all over the globe will be removed rather quickly.

    Economic cycles of debt and economic cycles that metaphorically correspond to biological fluctuations could be related to generational cohorts and the like.

    The globalized plutocrats and the upper middle class and large numbers of government workers are using the distractionary nonsense of so-called racism and sexism and anti-Semitism and the squalid stuff to block any attempt at a systematic popular understanding of the civilizational destructiveness of globalization and financialization and mass immigration and multicultural mayhem and corruption.

    The corporate propaganda apparatus — TV and internet and movies and newspapers and radio and the like — must be targeted for a much needed legal obliteration through trust busting and license revocation.

  20. @AaronB
    @Miro23

    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the "strictness " of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.

    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

    The West is decadent now in large part because being too dog grew dull. There was nothing left to do in this department. The whole world submitted to us. None could resist us. That grows boring. So now its fun for elite whites to act inferior.

    There are two ways a culture can satisfy the human need for opposites. One, it can offer both options. China offered strait laced Confucianism and wild and anarchic Taoism. Many Confucian officials later in life retired to the mountains to live a life of wild Taoism. In Hindu culture you were supposed to ditch all cares and responsibilities later in life and wander the mountains, free and wild.

    In these cultures also at any phase in life you had contact with the wild, anarchic, free side of life, the anti civilization side, the spiritual side, through the esoteric religious scriptures and artistic traditions. They never built material civilization too high and made things too strait laced. They accomodated human nature in its wholeness.

    The West took a different path - maximum of creative but strait laced civilization with high standards and intense effort followed by periods of destruction and decadence and chaos and misrule.

    I have no idea why the West took this path. Probably in a world where some cultures took the balanced path, others must take the extreme path. Everything has its opposite, and must have.

    Replies: @Miro23

    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the “strictness ” of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.
    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

    Counter-culturalism is itself getting truly aged. 2019 isn’t 1968. Even the supermarkets have abandoned rock music, and the hippy scruffs are wearing their 50 year old gear in the health centers . But they still control the media, and normalize the worst kind of decadent sleaze and SJW-ism – forced onto everyone else.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Miro23

    It just hasn't gotten boring enough yet. Eventually they will push it as far as it can go. There will be nowhere left to go. Then they'll get bored.

    It might take another 20, 30 or more years, though.

  21. @Miro23
    @AaronB


    The kind of chaos and misrule we are seeing today is the opposite side of the “strictness ” of Western scientific civilization and strait laced Christian morality.
    That kind of thing taken too far gets incredibly stuffy and boring, and people revolt. Having really high standards and trying to conquer the world and nature can be fun for a while, but gets dull.

     

    Counter-culturalism is itself getting truly aged. 2019 isn't 1968. Even the supermarkets have abandoned rock music, and the hippy scruffs are wearing their 50 year old gear in the health centers . But they still control the media, and normalize the worst kind of decadent sleaze and SJW-ism - forced onto everyone else.

    Replies: @AaronB

    It just hasn’t gotten boring enough yet. Eventually they will push it as far as it can go. There will be nowhere left to go. Then they’ll get bored.

    It might take another 20, 30 or more years, though.

  22. @orionyx
    @AaronB

    " In the Muslim world today homosexuals are routinely thrown off buildings and executed. "
    I hear this often, but I;ve never seen a genuine report. Do you think you could supply one? And don''t give me ISIS - we all know who ((that)) tracks back to.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I completely agree with you. Muslims are not to blame – for anything. Killing homosexuals – and anything else bad Muslims do – is entirely caused by (((they))) That much is obvious. (((They))) also caused Christians in the Middle Ages to burn heretics. Everyone knows this, its old news.

    But that has nothing to do with what I’m saying. Caused by tricky and nefarious (((them))) or not, mankind likes to kill and persecute those that threaten their beliefs.

    So the Young case is perfectly normal historically, as force is always used to enforce sacred beliefs.

    One can escape that by not having beliefs – God cannot be described and all that – but only a minority of mankind can rest on “nothing”, as the Buddhists say.

    Anyways I’m suggesting nothing needs to – or can – change about the world. Only a change in perspective is needed by those who would not find the whole spectacle appalling.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @AaronB

    Jews are responsible for all the bad things Christians and Muslims do? In the Middle Ages?

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @AaronB

    Don't forget what they've done to Japan!

  23. @Not My Economy
    I don't buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Charles Pewitt, @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    Sven Henrich says:

    You don’t think the Fed is all about markets? Where have you been? After all, the Fed’s stated policy objective now is to extend the business cycle by any means necessary. And policy makers can’t do that with falling stock prices.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-federal-reserve-is-in-stealth-intervention-mode-2019-10-25?mod=newsviewer_click_seemore

    I say the Federal Reserve Bank creates asset bubbles and then calls it the business cycle.

  24. What defends the health of the entire system kicks into overdrive as the real threats the system exists to deal with are gone. It’s moral hygiene theory.

    An excellent way of framing the foundational problems of our current crisis. I’ve been saying for a while that our society is in the midst of something that might be called social diabetes. High cholesterol and obesity work as a metaphors, too, because our physical selves have evolved to exist within a historical environment of scarcity of things that we need and/or crave in our diet: sugar and fat. Same is true for things we crave socially. When presented with abundance, we can’t control ourselves, and the things we need or want suddenly become things that kill us (or, more accurately, they become the things that allow us to kill ourselves.) Are our psychological and spiritual selves that much different than our physical selves in this respect?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  25. People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum:
    https://twitter.com/CurtisScoon/status/1187735686738333698

    A united front has a better chance of getting both sides what they’d like and a potential repeal of “wokeness” social programs.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Talha


    People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum
     
    Agreed.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @songbird
    @Talha

    I have a lot of sympathy with Hotep-types, but they will never be more than about 10% of the black population.

    Still, I wouldn't bulldoze them. I'd give them their own country, where they wouldn't be molested by whites with good intentions, or uncivilized members of their own group. Then they could act as an example, and maybe that would start a civilizing process, as others copied them.

    Replies: @Talha

  26. @AaronB
    The truth is decadence is fun, and high civilization is boring.

    Or rather, civilization can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. And decadence can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. Creation is fun for a while, and then destruction is fun.

    Strait-laced Victorian civilization lasting forever would have been horrifically boring. Scientific civilization lasting forever would be horrifically boring.

    So we are destroying both - fun!

    History is a circle, not a straight line. The most profound symbol of reality is the Chinese yin-yang symbol. Can't have yang without yin, and vice versa.

    Can't have civilization without decadence, good rule without misrule, strength without weakness, etc

    Can't have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.

    There is nothing wrong or bad about modern times - its normal, healthy, and part of the process of destruction that comes after a period of building up.

    But the old Western civilization thinks in terms of straight lines and progress. And there is nothing wrong in thinking this way. That too is a natural corollary of a world where other people think in terms of circles.

    The attitude I'm describing here is just for anyone who wants an alternative. To those who think in terms of straight lines and progress - you're a necessary part of it too. Continue thinking that way. Unenlightened people are as necessary as enlightenment people.

    Replies: @Miro23, @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman

    … and high civilization is boring.

    Worse than that: High civilisation takes effort, patience, and manners.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @The Alarmist

    People get fed up with that stuff after a while. Its fun at first, but take it too far, and take it too seriously, and it gets boring.

    Its like in the 18th century manners were elaborate and theatrical - fun. By the 19th, they became stiff and formal. Way too serious. No longer fun.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  27. @The Alarmist
    @AaronB


    ... and high civilization is boring.
     
    Worse than that: High civilisation takes effort, patience, and manners.

    Replies: @AaronB

    People get fed up with that stuff after a while. Its fun at first, but take it too far, and take it too seriously, and it gets boring.

    Its like in the 18th century manners were elaborate and theatrical – fun. By the 19th, they became stiff and formal. Way too serious. No longer fun.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @AaronB

    It's like the decline and fall of Rome: At some point the men stop being men, and the society collapses.

    Men build civilisations, and women and men-children discuss them to death.

    Replies: @AaronB

  28. @Rahan
    Sometimes even I forget the extent to which GloboHomo drugs its population into obedience:
    https://psychcentral.com/news/2011/10/25/antidepressant-use-up-400-percent-in-us/30677.html

    The more GloboHomo society becomes, the more "everything is fine it's all in your mind" pills the citizens have to take in order to accept the rising tide of bullcrap, and go around muttering "no, everything's fine, everything's fine, don't be a stupid fascist, everything's fine..."

    Combine this with the inflamatory foods and inflamatory media--baam!

    Or rather--whiiiiimper!

    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of "attention disorder" pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.
    When I look at a random graph like this one: https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/antidepressant-medicine-use
    It seems that the Anglosphere, Sweden, plus some southern countries like Spain and Portugal are being drugged into compliance on an industrial scale, while for example Italy, Hungary, and Slovakia are not. This certainly seems to overlap with levels of submission to GloboHomo.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of “attention disorder” pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.

    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom


    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can't say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    I have been depressed in the past, it's easy to slip into that cycle in a miserable place like Canada. I fucking hate Globohomo for what they have done to my country.

    That said, depression is manageable (for me, at least) with prayer and exercise. I refuse to take pills, drink, or any form of non natural coping.

    But yeah... everyone is on SSRI here..... wake up!

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @dfordoom, @Daniel Chieh

  29. @Talha
    People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum:
    https://twitter.com/CurtisScoon/status/1187735686738333698

    A united front has a better chance of getting both sides what they’d like and a potential repeal of “wokeness” social programs.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @songbird

    People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum

    Agreed.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    I thought that we couldn't do a united front with neo-Nazis.

    Replies: @Talha

  30. It’s not original to me, I can’t remember when and where I read it, but when something, for example, racial discrimination, becomes less and less prevalent, the remaining instances, or suspected instances, become magnified to the extent that it appears to exceed all that actually existed before. It’s a bit like quality control, you can spend a few bucks and get quality to 99%, or you can spend a zillion to get 100% on a part that cost $1.25.

  31. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum
     
    Agreed.

    Replies: @iffen

    I thought that we couldn’t do a united front with neo-Nazis.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    Who said anything with actual neo-Nazis?

    To me - as a kind of outsider of sorts - there seem to be a semblance of people here with various views.

    -There are some here on one side of things that would love to literally bulldoze any non-Whites off of the continental US (don't know if they'd grandfather in Native Americans or not) - there is likely not much negotiating with them.
    -There are others that would like to secede as a whites-only region/country - there seems to be ground that can be accommodated; you don't want to be around X, Y and Z and they probably don't want to be around you - no harm, no foul - wall-builders will be fully-employed.
    -There are others here that are willing to complain about the status-quo, but not really make any real change to it in a meaningful way; they seem to know stuff will hit the fan and there will be a collapse and are simply hoping something better comes out of the ashes.
    -There are others still that just want the hyper/woke-Left to back the hell off and let them make decisions on an equal footing as per any other group and have freedom of association with being unfairly discriminated against or have to pay taxes to force people to be around people they don't comport with - this seems to be a group that can work with other similar-minded people in a more civil approach that caters to a large audience and understands and respects each others wishes.

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals - often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @obwandiyag

  32. @Rahan
    Cleaning out the system by cutting down on the inflamatory foods and generally shifting to vegetables and real meat while throwing out bread, sugar, and processed stuff can really help with many autoimmune disorders.

    How would that work for the body politic? It would mean getting millions of people to stop their "inflamed" lifestyles of constant hysteria.

    Which in turn really would also mean that they should stop being tubs of lard living off antidepressants and opioids. To lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body politic, perhaps we need fo lower the autoimmune inflamation of the body biological.

    When people are no longer inflamed drug-addled warped-body zombies, things could start becoming...healthy.

    Replies: @Mark Miller, @Achmed E. Newman

    That is a very holistic approach to American society nearing Peak Stupidity, Rahan. I am no holistic practitioner as you seem to be. I don’t need the practice; I’m good!

    My prescription is simple, but as with yours, totally Hole-istic: This country needs an ENEMA, STAT!

  33. @AaronB
    The truth is decadence is fun, and high civilization is boring.

    Or rather, civilization can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. And decadence can be fun for a while, but then gets boring. Creation is fun for a while, and then destruction is fun.

    Strait-laced Victorian civilization lasting forever would have been horrifically boring. Scientific civilization lasting forever would be horrifically boring.

    So we are destroying both - fun!

    History is a circle, not a straight line. The most profound symbol of reality is the Chinese yin-yang symbol. Can't have yang without yin, and vice versa.

    Can't have civilization without decadence, good rule without misrule, strength without weakness, etc

    Can't have the crest of a wave without its trough, the upside of a mountain without its downside.

    There is nothing wrong or bad about modern times - its normal, healthy, and part of the process of destruction that comes after a period of building up.

    But the old Western civilization thinks in terms of straight lines and progress. And there is nothing wrong in thinking this way. That too is a natural corollary of a world where other people think in terms of circles.

    The attitude I'm describing here is just for anyone who wants an alternative. To those who think in terms of straight lines and progress - you're a necessary part of it too. Continue thinking that way. Unenlightened people are as necessary as enlightenment people.

    Replies: @Miro23, @The Alarmist, @Achmed E. Newman

    I like spirals better, Aaron. You may be a Strauss & Howe Generations and/or Fourth Turning reader. Things can go in cycles, but it’d be nice if each time around we are higher up in civilization and prosperity. With the drastic changing of the demographics of this planet, I don’t think we’ll be any higher up after this “crisis” period.

    Even Communism is making a comeback, as people don’t even have a memory of 30 damn years ago. It’s likely some nations are going to take it up the Yin Yang again.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Achmed E. Newman

    That would be a kind of progress, I guess.

    But the idea I am getting at is more than just cycles. Its polarity and interdependence. The idea that everything comes into existence in pairs. You can't distinguish light unless you can contrast it with darkness. A world of pure light could not exist. You couldn't see the light.

    So the human quest to achieve a world of pure light - abolish evil - is a fundamental misunderstanding.

    In Buddhism and Taoism the idea of interdependence is expressed as non duality. In Judaism, evil is the stern aspect of the Divine, known as law or justice, untempered by mercy. It is a completely legitimate aspect of the Divine. There is no absolutely evil Satan as in Christianity. Satan is the Accuser, a legtimate servant of God in Job.

    In this vision, by understanding everything depends on its opposite for existence you realize nothing really exists as such. That is, nothing has independent existence.

    This leads to a kind of acceptance of the world and oneself that results in joy and true worship of the Divine.

    , @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Even Communism is making a comeback
     
    Where exactly is it making a comeback? In which countries are there significant political movements intending to abolish private property, socialise the means of production and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat?
  34. Wokeness is an intellectual HIV virus. Yes, very true. When paired with other disease vectors, it kills the host. Do not allow its entry into your personal system. Just as plague or AIDS only kills some, you and yours can survive the current diseased culture. The culture beamed at you from your illusion pad is designed to make you sick. Figure it out for yourself. Be adaptable and resourceful. Survive past the current ill will and mental illness that grips our society. Stay cool and don’t be stupid.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Steve2


    Wokeness is an intellectual HIV virus.
     
    Sort of, but it's a virus that was deliberately introduced into our society for the purpose of destroying the Old Left and maintaining the power of the ruling class. It's a weapon of class warfare wielded by Woke Capital.
  35. @AaronB
    @The Alarmist

    People get fed up with that stuff after a while. Its fun at first, but take it too far, and take it too seriously, and it gets boring.

    Its like in the 18th century manners were elaborate and theatrical - fun. By the 19th, they became stiff and formal. Way too serious. No longer fun.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    It’s like the decline and fall of Rome: At some point the men stop being men, and the society collapses.

    Men build civilisations, and women and men-children discuss them to death.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @The Alarmist

    You are correct, but what must be understood is that Rome wanted to fall. They got bored of being tough guys all the time.

  36. For some other possibilities,” The Serengeti Rules” might have some insights.

  37. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AaronB

    I like spirals better, Aaron. You may be a Strauss & Howe Generations and/or Fourth Turning reader. Things can go in cycles, but it'd be nice if each time around we are higher up in civilization and prosperity. With the drastic changing of the demographics of this planet, I don't think we'll be any higher up after this "crisis" period.

    Even Communism is making a comeback, as people don't even have a memory of 30 damn years ago. It's likely some nations are going to take it up the Yin Yang again.

    Replies: @AaronB, @dfordoom

    That would be a kind of progress, I guess.

    But the idea I am getting at is more than just cycles. Its polarity and interdependence. The idea that everything comes into existence in pairs. You can’t distinguish light unless you can contrast it with darkness. A world of pure light could not exist. You couldn’t see the light.

    So the human quest to achieve a world of pure light – abolish evil – is a fundamental misunderstanding.

    In Buddhism and Taoism the idea of interdependence is expressed as non duality. In Judaism, evil is the stern aspect of the Divine, known as law or justice, untempered by mercy. It is a completely legitimate aspect of the Divine. There is no absolutely evil Satan as in Christianity. Satan is the Accuser, a legtimate servant of God in Job.

    In this vision, by understanding everything depends on its opposite for existence you realize nothing really exists as such. That is, nothing has independent existence.

    This leads to a kind of acceptance of the world and oneself that results in joy and true worship of the Divine.

  38. @The Alarmist
    @AaronB

    It's like the decline and fall of Rome: At some point the men stop being men, and the society collapses.

    Men build civilisations, and women and men-children discuss them to death.

    Replies: @AaronB

    You are correct, but what must be understood is that Rome wanted to fall. They got bored of being tough guys all the time.

  39. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    I thought that we couldn't do a united front with neo-Nazis.

    Replies: @Talha

    Who said anything with actual neo-Nazis?

    To me – as a kind of outsider of sorts – there seem to be a semblance of people here with various views.

    -There are some here on one side of things that would love to literally bulldoze any non-Whites off of the continental US (don’t know if they’d grandfather in Native Americans or not) – there is likely not much negotiating with them.
    -There are others that would like to secede as a whites-only region/country – there seems to be ground that can be accommodated; you don’t want to be around X, Y and Z and they probably don’t want to be around you – no harm, no foul – wall-builders will be fully-employed.
    -There are others here that are willing to complain about the status-quo, but not really make any real change to it in a meaningful way; they seem to know stuff will hit the fan and there will be a collapse and are simply hoping something better comes out of the ashes.
    -There are others still that just want the hyper/woke-Left to back the hell off and let them make decisions on an equal footing as per any other group and have freedom of association with being unfairly discriminated against or have to pay taxes to force people to be around people they don’t comport with – this seems to be a group that can work with other similar-minded people in a more civil approach that caters to a large audience and understands and respects each others wishes.

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals – often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals – often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    I see a lot to agree with here, but you wrote "people here," and I don't see that many here that fit the bill. Maybe you can't see more than I can.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @obwandiyag
    @Talha

    And others would just like to stop immigration, not because of racism, but because . . . wait for it . . . the Almighty Dollar. Immigrants take away jobs and keep wages low. Simple fact. Some on the low end of jobs. Some in the middle. Some in the high. That's why our owners let them in, fer Xsake.

    And then, their presence absolutely prevents unionization or any other kind of organized fighting for economic rights.

    And then, big picture, their presence makes it much easier for our owners to keep the thumbscrews clamped down nice and tight forever, and ensure that their absolute power remains firmly intact.

    I would argue that, if immigration had been banned from the 60s till now the way it was banned from the 20s to the 60s--the whole country would be unionized, right down to MacDonalds.

    Replies: @Talha

  40. @Talha
    People here need to be reaching out and making allies and common cause with people like this on the anti-woke black side of the spectrum:
    https://twitter.com/CurtisScoon/status/1187735686738333698

    A united front has a better chance of getting both sides what they’d like and a potential repeal of “wokeness” social programs.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @songbird

    I have a lot of sympathy with Hotep-types, but they will never be more than about 10% of the black population.

    Still, I wouldn’t bulldoze them. I’d give them their own country, where they wouldn’t be molested by whites with good intentions, or uncivilized members of their own group. Then they could act as an example, and maybe that would start a civilizing process, as others copied them.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @songbird

    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.

    As far as numbers, I’d venture that this has more clout among blacks than whites. Just look at the number of followers the guy has on his account. Now compare him to Steve Sailer; one of the big names around this kind of crowd and someone that has multiple places where he is published like here, Vdare and Takimag. Sailer has about the same numbers, so I would think whites need to be worrying about percentages more.

    And, in fact, bringing in voices from the hotep crowd that talk about similar goals and strategy in a respectful and civil way might actually bring in more whites that don’t want to be associated with anything perceived as racist or bigoted.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  41. I kind of like an analogy with the brain. Since, there are a lot more connections nowadays: more flights, more telephone calls, more trade, etc. I think it makes the most sense.

    Maybe, there are not enough inhibitory mechanisms, and what we suffer from is a kind of schizophrenia.

  42. @songbird
    @Talha

    I have a lot of sympathy with Hotep-types, but they will never be more than about 10% of the black population.

    Still, I wouldn't bulldoze them. I'd give them their own country, where they wouldn't be molested by whites with good intentions, or uncivilized members of their own group. Then they could act as an example, and maybe that would start a civilizing process, as others copied them.

    Replies: @Talha

    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.

    As far as numbers, I’d venture that this has more clout among blacks than whites. Just look at the number of followers the guy has on his account. Now compare him to Steve Sailer; one of the big names around this kind of crowd and someone that has multiple places where he is published like here, Vdare and Takimag. Sailer has about the same numbers, so I would think whites need to be worrying about percentages more.

    And, in fact, bringing in voices from the hotep crowd that talk about similar goals and strategy in a respectful and civil way might actually bring in more whites that don’t want to be associated with anything perceived as racist or bigoted.

    Peace.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Talha


    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.
     
    I suspect there's a fair number of blacks who look back to the 50s with an odd nostalgia. There was an idea among many blacks at that time that there should be black communities that were relatively self-reliant, with blacks running the small businesses (black plumbers, black dry-cleaners, black tailors, black delicatessans, etc). With some black schoolteachers, and ideally black doctor and black nurses. And of course, crucially, black churches. I seem to recall Thomas Sowell talking about this, and about the way that that idea was to a certain extent being put into practice in a number of places. It seemed to encourage self-respect but importantly it was self-respect based on actual achievement.

    And such communities would be good places for black families to raise their kids.

    You don't need separate countries for this, you just need a willingness to make some sensible compromises and for blacks and whites to negotiate ways to make such communities work, and to keep those neighbourhoods intact - which means keeping out white gentrifiers and immigrants.

    Of course it was to a large extent drugs that destroyed that dream, along with political ideologues.

    Blacks and whites in the US will eventually have to find ways to peacefully co-exist in one country but maybe with a certain degree of separateness for those who want it.

    Replies: @Talha

  43. @Talha
    @iffen

    Who said anything with actual neo-Nazis?

    To me - as a kind of outsider of sorts - there seem to be a semblance of people here with various views.

    -There are some here on one side of things that would love to literally bulldoze any non-Whites off of the continental US (don't know if they'd grandfather in Native Americans or not) - there is likely not much negotiating with them.
    -There are others that would like to secede as a whites-only region/country - there seems to be ground that can be accommodated; you don't want to be around X, Y and Z and they probably don't want to be around you - no harm, no foul - wall-builders will be fully-employed.
    -There are others here that are willing to complain about the status-quo, but not really make any real change to it in a meaningful way; they seem to know stuff will hit the fan and there will be a collapse and are simply hoping something better comes out of the ashes.
    -There are others still that just want the hyper/woke-Left to back the hell off and let them make decisions on an equal footing as per any other group and have freedom of association with being unfairly discriminated against or have to pay taxes to force people to be around people they don't comport with - this seems to be a group that can work with other similar-minded people in a more civil approach that caters to a large audience and understands and respects each others wishes.

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals - often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @obwandiyag

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals – often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    I see a lot to agree with here, but you wrote “people here,” and I don’t see that many here that fit the bill. Maybe you can’t see more than I can.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    They may not be very loud, but I’m hoping these are the silent majority here. In fact, a heck of a lot of calculations I make in what I post and how I say it takes that very real possibility into account.

    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom

  44. @iffen
    @Talha

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals – often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    I see a lot to agree with here, but you wrote "people here," and I don't see that many here that fit the bill. Maybe you can't see more than I can.

    Replies: @Talha

    They may not be very loud, but I’m hoping these are the silent majority here. In fact, a heck of a lot of calculations I make in what I post and how I say it takes that very real possibility into account.

    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    I'm not fishing. I'm just enjoying the scenery.

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.
     
    A lot of people get upset because they can't convince the hardliners among their opponents to change their view. And the hardliners never will change their opinions.

    But it's always important to remember that are people who are open to compromise. And that compromise, if there's good faith on both sides, is not surrender.

    Replies: @Talha

  45. @AaronB
    @orionyx

    I completely agree with you. Muslims are not to blame - for anything. Killing homosexuals - and anything else bad Muslims do - is entirely caused by (((they))) That much is obvious. (((They))) also caused Christians in the Middle Ages to burn heretics. Everyone knows this, its old news.

    But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Caused by tricky and nefarious (((them))) or not, mankind likes to kill and persecute those that threaten their beliefs.

    So the Young case is perfectly normal historically, as force is always used to enforce sacred beliefs.

    One can escape that by not having beliefs - God cannot be described and all that - but only a minority of mankind can rest on "nothing", as the Buddhists say.

    Anyways I'm suggesting nothing needs to - or can - change about the world. Only a change in perspective is needed by those who would not find the whole spectacle appalling.

    Replies: @SFG, @Audacious Epigone

    Jews are responsible for all the bad things Christians and Muslims do? In the Middle Ages?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @SFG

    Of course.

    (((They))) are also responsible for any negative developments in India and China also. Its been proven.

    Have you been reading this site? Do you have any grievances wherever you're from? I can guarantee you Jews are responsible for them.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  46. @Talha
    @iffen

    They may not be very loud, but I’m hoping these are the silent majority here. In fact, a heck of a lot of calculations I make in what I post and how I say it takes that very real possibility into account.

    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom

    I’m not fishing. I’m just enjoying the scenery.

    • LOL: Talha
  47. @Talha
    @iffen

    Who said anything with actual neo-Nazis?

    To me - as a kind of outsider of sorts - there seem to be a semblance of people here with various views.

    -There are some here on one side of things that would love to literally bulldoze any non-Whites off of the continental US (don't know if they'd grandfather in Native Americans or not) - there is likely not much negotiating with them.
    -There are others that would like to secede as a whites-only region/country - there seems to be ground that can be accommodated; you don't want to be around X, Y and Z and they probably don't want to be around you - no harm, no foul - wall-builders will be fully-employed.
    -There are others here that are willing to complain about the status-quo, but not really make any real change to it in a meaningful way; they seem to know stuff will hit the fan and there will be a collapse and are simply hoping something better comes out of the ashes.
    -There are others still that just want the hyper/woke-Left to back the hell off and let them make decisions on an equal footing as per any other group and have freedom of association with being unfairly discriminated against or have to pay taxes to force people to be around people they don't comport with - this seems to be a group that can work with other similar-minded people in a more civil approach that caters to a large audience and understands and respects each others wishes.

    The last group has a way better chance of not being accused of racism and bigotry if they work with similar-minded, but diverse groups along the lies of mutual respect and mutually beneficial goals - often, their antagonists are one and the same.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @obwandiyag

    And others would just like to stop immigration, not because of racism, but because . . . wait for it . . . the Almighty Dollar. Immigrants take away jobs and keep wages low. Simple fact. Some on the low end of jobs. Some in the middle. Some in the high. That’s why our owners let them in, fer Xsake.

    And then, their presence absolutely prevents unionization or any other kind of organized fighting for economic rights.

    And then, big picture, their presence makes it much easier for our owners to keep the thumbscrews clamped down nice and tight forever, and ensure that their absolute power remains firmly intact.

    I would argue that, if immigration had been banned from the 60s till now the way it was banned from the 20s to the 60s–the whole country would be unionized, right down to MacDonalds.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Talha
    @obwandiyag

    Good points.

    Peace.

  48. @obwandiyag
    @Talha

    And others would just like to stop immigration, not because of racism, but because . . . wait for it . . . the Almighty Dollar. Immigrants take away jobs and keep wages low. Simple fact. Some on the low end of jobs. Some in the middle. Some in the high. That's why our owners let them in, fer Xsake.

    And then, their presence absolutely prevents unionization or any other kind of organized fighting for economic rights.

    And then, big picture, their presence makes it much easier for our owners to keep the thumbscrews clamped down nice and tight forever, and ensure that their absolute power remains firmly intact.

    I would argue that, if immigration had been banned from the 60s till now the way it was banned from the 20s to the 60s--the whole country would be unionized, right down to MacDonalds.

    Replies: @Talha

    Good points.

    Peace.

  49. @SFG
    @AaronB

    Jews are responsible for all the bad things Christians and Muslims do? In the Middle Ages?

    Replies: @AaronB

    Of course.

    (((They))) are also responsible for any negative developments in India and China also. Its been proven.

    Have you been reading this site? Do you have any grievances wherever you’re from? I can guarantee you Jews are responsible for them.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @AaronB

    Aaron is a convert to Judaism who lives in Israel IIRC. He's having fun with the nefarious-Jews-are-hiding-behind-every-curtain types.

  50. Interesting theory. But I think that sounds too functional – in other words the immune system is strong but directed at the wrong targets. That suggests societal asabiya is actually high. Turchin’s over production of elites theory is more economical in explaining wokeness – in other words desperate signalling by surplus elites to access scarce gatekeeper positions in government, academia and media.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @blank-misgivings


    desperate signalling by surplus elites to access scarce gatekeeper positions in government, academia and media.
     
    That is definitely happening, but it does not address the deeper question--Why did the elites choose the specific agendas they have chosen? There are plenty of insane policy possibilities out there to choose from which they ignore--and a select few they have chosen to ram down our throats.

    (I think that many folks here believe they know the answer to that question. ;-) )
  51. @blank-misgivings
    Interesting theory. But I think that sounds too functional - in other words the immune system is strong but directed at the wrong targets. That suggests societal asabiya is actually high. Turchin's over production of elites theory is more economical in explaining wokeness - in other words desperate signalling by surplus elites to access scarce gatekeeper positions in government, academia and media.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    desperate signalling by surplus elites to access scarce gatekeeper positions in government, academia and media.

    That is definitely happening, but it does not address the deeper question–Why did the elites choose the specific agendas they have chosen? There are plenty of insane policy possibilities out there to choose from which they ignore–and a select few they have chosen to ram down our throats.

    (I think that many folks here believe they know the answer to that question. 😉 )

  52. @Achmed E. Newman
    @AaronB

    I like spirals better, Aaron. You may be a Strauss & Howe Generations and/or Fourth Turning reader. Things can go in cycles, but it'd be nice if each time around we are higher up in civilization and prosperity. With the drastic changing of the demographics of this planet, I don't think we'll be any higher up after this "crisis" period.

    Even Communism is making a comeback, as people don't even have a memory of 30 damn years ago. It's likely some nations are going to take it up the Yin Yang again.

    Replies: @AaronB, @dfordoom

    Even Communism is making a comeback

    Where exactly is it making a comeback? In which countries are there significant political movements intending to abolish private property, socialise the means of production and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat?

  53. @Steve2
    Wokeness is an intellectual HIV virus. Yes, very true. When paired with other disease vectors, it kills the host. Do not allow its entry into your personal system. Just as plague or AIDS only kills some, you and yours can survive the current diseased culture. The culture beamed at you from your illusion pad is designed to make you sick. Figure it out for yourself. Be adaptable and resourceful. Survive past the current ill will and mental illness that grips our society. Stay cool and don’t be stupid.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Wokeness is an intellectual HIV virus.

    Sort of, but it’s a virus that was deliberately introduced into our society for the purpose of destroying the Old Left and maintaining the power of the ruling class. It’s a weapon of class warfare wielded by Woke Capital.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  54. @Talha
    @songbird

    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.

    As far as numbers, I’d venture that this has more clout among blacks than whites. Just look at the number of followers the guy has on his account. Now compare him to Steve Sailer; one of the big names around this kind of crowd and someone that has multiple places where he is published like here, Vdare and Takimag. Sailer has about the same numbers, so I would think whites need to be worrying about percentages more.

    And, in fact, bringing in voices from the hotep crowd that talk about similar goals and strategy in a respectful and civil way might actually bring in more whites that don’t want to be associated with anything perceived as racist or bigoted.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.

    I suspect there’s a fair number of blacks who look back to the 50s with an odd nostalgia. There was an idea among many blacks at that time that there should be black communities that were relatively self-reliant, with blacks running the small businesses (black plumbers, black dry-cleaners, black tailors, black delicatessans, etc). With some black schoolteachers, and ideally black doctor and black nurses. And of course, crucially, black churches. I seem to recall Thomas Sowell talking about this, and about the way that that idea was to a certain extent being put into practice in a number of places. It seemed to encourage self-respect but importantly it was self-respect based on actual achievement.

    And such communities would be good places for black families to raise their kids.

    You don’t need separate countries for this, you just need a willingness to make some sensible compromises and for blacks and whites to negotiate ways to make such communities work, and to keep those neighbourhoods intact – which means keeping out white gentrifiers and immigrants.

    Of course it was to a large extent drugs that destroyed that dream, along with political ideologues.

    Blacks and whites in the US will eventually have to find ways to peacefully co-exist in one country but maybe with a certain degree of separateness for those who want it.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    I agree with this, especially the last paragraph. If you listen or read these voices in the black community, you find that they are quite aware that many of the issues in the black community are due to the breakdown of the family (especially the lack of fathers in the household). Thus, they are very hostile (as they should be) to trends like wokeness/progressiveness which will further rupture and irreparably damage the family institution in their community.

    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  55. @Talha
    @iffen

    They may not be very loud, but I’m hoping these are the silent majority here. In fact, a heck of a lot of calculations I make in what I post and how I say it takes that very real possibility into account.

    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom

    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.

    A lot of people get upset because they can’t convince the hardliners among their opponents to change their view. And the hardliners never will change their opinions.

    But it’s always important to remember that are people who are open to compromise. And that compromise, if there’s good faith on both sides, is not surrender.

    • Agree: Talha, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    And there is something to learn from people you may disagree with. I know I definitely have, but it has always been from reasonable people, not the ones that sound like they got out of their restraints at the insane asylum and found an internet-connected laptop.

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums). If you can’t really convince at least some of the people that love and trust you the most to your side or at least have them believe you have a reasonable vision for society....well...

    I mean if they would look at you like you just revealed that you screwed the family dog, there’s your answer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

  56. @neutral
    Wrong diagnosis, people like to point out the all the symptoms, but real cause is the jew. Europe had multiple pogroms against jews over the centuries, that is how Europe managed to survive, but for the last 70 years the patient has been left untreated.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Audacious Epigone

    Wrong diagnosis, people like to point out the all the symptoms, but real cause is the jew. Europe had multiple pogroms against jews over the centuries, that is how Europe managed to survive, but for the last 70 years the patient has been left untreated.

    Unfettered, unlike in the past, organized Jewry is now in full nation-wrecking mode.

    However, it can’t should all the blame.

    For example you have Northern European egalitarianism that has now been extended to non-Europeans e.g. self-righteous Yankees with their war over slavery plus Americans and Brits who voted for Hussein Obama as president and Sadiq Khan as London mayor, respectively, to show they aren’t ‘racist’. Then you have Norwegians with their insane altruism towards Africa.

    Women are also the bane of civilizations once given a voice in public policy and when put in positions of authority.

    Cologne woman reports pregnancy after NYE rape
    https://www.thelocal.de/20160715/cologne-woman-discovered-pregnancy-after-nye-rape-new-year-sexual-assaults

    Rivers of Blood: Muslim Gang Attacks “White Bastards” In United Kingdom
    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2019/10/21/rivers-of-blood-muslim-gang-attacks-white-bastards-in-united-kingdom/

  57. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Always pitch to the reasonable people; they’re the ones worth most of your time.
     
    A lot of people get upset because they can't convince the hardliners among their opponents to change their view. And the hardliners never will change their opinions.

    But it's always important to remember that are people who are open to compromise. And that compromise, if there's good faith on both sides, is not surrender.

    Replies: @Talha

    And there is something to learn from people you may disagree with. I know I definitely have, but it has always been from reasonable people, not the ones that sound like they got out of their restraints at the insane asylum and found an internet-connected laptop.

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums). If you can’t really convince at least some of the people that love and trust you the most to your side or at least have them believe you have a reasonable vision for society….well…

    I mean if they would look at you like you just revealed that you screwed the family dog, there’s your answer.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Talha

    The best know sinner in town was John. John attended the revival meeting and was saved. Giving his testimony and confessing his sins, he said that he had drunk whiskey, that he had gambled away the family's grocery money, that he had consorted with immoral women, etc. After each confession the members shouted, "Amen, Brother John, tell it all!" As time passed the awfulness and extent of the sins mounted and yet it was still, "Amen, Brother John, tell it all!" Brother John shouted loudly that one night he was falling down drunk and he fell into his neighbor's pasture, tried to stand and tumbled over into the neighbor's heifer. He then confessed that he had had sexual intercourse with the cow. The silence was complete. Then a Deacon standing close by said, "Damn, Brother John, I don't think I would have confessed to that."

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums)
     
    One of the big dangers is to spend too much time on online political forums which tend to attract the hardliners, and usually the hardliners of a single faction. Plus they attract trolls who are invariably hardliners from a bitterly opposed political faction. So you end up thinking that the most extreme of your own views are much more widely shared than they really are, and that anyone who disagrees is a dangerous extremist fanatic.

    It amuses me to hear alt-righters on UR complain bitterly that Ron Unz allows dirty stinking commies to publish here. But that presumably is the whole point of UR - to expose readers to a wide variety of mostly non-mainstream views. Everyone from moon landing deniers to Hitler fanboys to Stalin fanboys to extreme libertarians to Country Club Republicans to IQ fetishists gets a say.

    I think it's also always a good idea to spend some of one's online time on totally apolitical forums. It's healthy to discover that not everyone is obsessed by politics, and to discover when politics does come up that some people really are pretty moderate. I've had great discussions on vintage book forums when the subject of racism and sexism in books from nearly a century ago are discussed and it's refreshing to find that there are people who can actually discuss such things calmly. I've encountered women who say that yes Ian Fleming's James Bond novels are absurdly sexist but they still love them because they're stylish and fun. Most people really aren't ideologues.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    Right. If it turns off family and close friends who are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it's definitely going to turn off strangers who will not.

  58. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    And there is something to learn from people you may disagree with. I know I definitely have, but it has always been from reasonable people, not the ones that sound like they got out of their restraints at the insane asylum and found an internet-connected laptop.

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums). If you can’t really convince at least some of the people that love and trust you the most to your side or at least have them believe you have a reasonable vision for society....well...

    I mean if they would look at you like you just revealed that you screwed the family dog, there’s your answer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    The best know sinner in town was John. John attended the revival meeting and was saved. Giving his testimony and confessing his sins, he said that he had drunk whiskey, that he had gambled away the family’s grocery money, that he had consorted with immoral women, etc. After each confession the members shouted, “Amen, Brother John, tell it all!” As time passed the awfulness and extent of the sins mounted and yet it was still, “Amen, Brother John, tell it all!” Brother John shouted loudly that one night he was falling down drunk and he fell into his neighbor’s pasture, tried to stand and tumbled over into the neighbor’s heifer. He then confessed that he had had sexual intercourse with the cow. The silence was complete. Then a Deacon standing close by said, “Damn, Brother John, I don’t think I would have confessed to that.”

    • LOL: Talha
  59. @Rahan
    Sometimes even I forget the extent to which GloboHomo drugs its population into obedience:
    https://psychcentral.com/news/2011/10/25/antidepressant-use-up-400-percent-in-us/30677.html

    The more GloboHomo society becomes, the more "everything is fine it's all in your mind" pills the citizens have to take in order to accept the rising tide of bullcrap, and go around muttering "no, everything's fine, everything's fine, don't be a stupid fascist, everything's fine..."

    Combine this with the inflamatory foods and inflamatory media--baam!

    Or rather--whiiiiimper!

    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of "attention disorder" pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.
    When I look at a random graph like this one: https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/antidepressant-medicine-use
    It seems that the Anglosphere, Sweden, plus some southern countries like Spain and Portugal are being drugged into compliance on an industrial scale, while for example Italy, Hungary, and Slovakia are not. This certainly seems to overlap with levels of submission to GloboHomo.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    And what’s worse, Iceland is so far north that I can understand anti depressant use… imagine being stuck on a tiny dark island.

    Which sadly makes Canada #1. Anecdotaly, SSRI use is quite high here.

    Which makes sense, it has become a miserable, cultureless, lifeless vessel of Globohomo. One thing foreigners notice is that we have no culture and that everybody is miserable.

    Canadians have always been known to be reserved. But the misery is a new thing.

  60. @dfordoom
    @Rahan


    Perhaps a detailed analysis of country by country use of antidepressants and early childhood use of “attention disorder” pills corelates with voting patterns and cultural values.
     
    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.

    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can’t say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    I have been depressed in the past, it’s easy to slip into that cycle in a miserable place like Canada. I fucking hate Globohomo for what they have done to my country.

    That said, depression is manageable (for me, at least) with prayer and exercise. I refuse to take pills, drink, or any form of non natural coping.

    But yeah… everyone is on SSRI here….. wake up!

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed. Listless couch potatoes, middle aged people with no kids, the unemployed, or even people employed with make work jobs (government workers) who know on some level their job is just welfare in disguise, are likely the most susceptible to depression. Look at celebrities: beautiful people with millions of dollars and 90% are perpetually medicated, because at the end of the day, they produce nothing of real value. Their existence is dependent upon the people who actually build society, with surplus income. Hollywood could disappear tomorrow and country would improve greatly. Pretty depressing reality if you're an actor.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    , @dfordoom
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker



    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can’t say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?
     
    The problem with SSRIs is that they're unpredictable, they're over-prescribed and often prescribed to the wrong people and they can have nasty side-effects. They can flatten the emotions - you don't feel bad because you don't feel anything very much. They can in some cases increase the risk of suicide and no-one seems to quite know why. They seem to work very well for some people and very badly for others. My beef with them is that I believe the drug companies ad the medical establishment exaggerate the success rate with them and understate the numbers of people who have bad experiences with them.

    I would not advise someone not to take them if they've been prescribed. That would be irresponsible. But you have to be aware that they're not necessarily the surefire miracle drug they're promoted as being and they can have some nasty side-effects.

    The other issue is that any mind-altering drug, from SSRIs to cocaine to alcohol, is messing with your brain chemistry. It changes your outlook on life to some extent. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it isn't.

    And psychiatrists know a lot less about what makes the mind work than they would like you to think. Psychiatry is more an art than a science.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    For many, they basically make you unable to feel anything. This goes beyond the usual emo-ish argument of "unable to feel"; they can make you unable to keep track of time anymore, so arguably actually reduce the overall consciousness of a person.

  61. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom


    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can't say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    I have been depressed in the past, it's easy to slip into that cycle in a miserable place like Canada. I fucking hate Globohomo for what they have done to my country.

    That said, depression is manageable (for me, at least) with prayer and exercise. I refuse to take pills, drink, or any form of non natural coping.

    But yeah... everyone is on SSRI here..... wake up!

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @dfordoom, @Daniel Chieh

    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed. Listless couch potatoes, middle aged people with no kids, the unemployed, or even people employed with make work jobs (government workers) who know on some level their job is just welfare in disguise, are likely the most susceptible to depression. Look at celebrities: beautiful people with millions of dollars and 90% are perpetually medicated, because at the end of the day, they produce nothing of real value. Their existence is dependent upon the people who actually build society, with surplus income. Hollywood could disappear tomorrow and country would improve greatly. Pretty depressing reality if you’re an actor.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed
     
    To a large extent I think that's true. You don't actually have to have a purpose, although obviously having a purpose is a very very good thing. But just developing a passion for something helps a lot. It can be anything from gardening to collecting antique salt and pepper shakers to cake-decorating. If it becomes an obsession you'll never be bored and if you're never bored you don't have time to be depressed. I'd like to spend some time being depressed but I can't because the roses need pruning, or I have to go work on the vintage Triumph motorcycle I'm restoring, or whatever. So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.

    Replies: @iffen, @Justvisiting

    , @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I dunno.

    Maybe that's true for middle aged people.

    My depression seemed to come from lack of friends, social networks, and general isolation. (Plus girlfriends treating me like shit). I guess that is the modern lifestyle.

    That said, depression seems to run in my family (on my fathers side) so maybe mine is just genetic, and I would have gotten it no matter what my circumstances.

    Either way, I got it under control without SSRIs through prayer, exercise and healthy eating. Essentially just simulating a traditional lifestyle of 100+ years ago.

    However I treat it like a disease of which I will never be fully cured. I'm always on watch if this devil tries to come back into my brain. The devil never goes away, no matter what form he may take.

    Replies: @Miro23

  62. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    And there is something to learn from people you may disagree with. I know I definitely have, but it has always been from reasonable people, not the ones that sound like they got out of their restraints at the insane asylum and found an internet-connected laptop.

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums). If you can’t really convince at least some of the people that love and trust you the most to your side or at least have them believe you have a reasonable vision for society....well...

    I mean if they would look at you like you just revealed that you screwed the family dog, there’s your answer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums)

    One of the big dangers is to spend too much time on online political forums which tend to attract the hardliners, and usually the hardliners of a single faction. Plus they attract trolls who are invariably hardliners from a bitterly opposed political faction. So you end up thinking that the most extreme of your own views are much more widely shared than they really are, and that anyone who disagrees is a dangerous extremist fanatic.

    It amuses me to hear alt-righters on UR complain bitterly that Ron Unz allows dirty stinking commies to publish here. But that presumably is the whole point of UR – to expose readers to a wide variety of mostly non-mainstream views. Everyone from moon landing deniers to Hitler fanboys to Stalin fanboys to extreme libertarians to Country Club Republicans to IQ fetishists gets a say.

    I think it’s also always a good idea to spend some of one’s online time on totally apolitical forums. It’s healthy to discover that not everyone is obsessed by politics, and to discover when politics does come up that some people really are pretty moderate. I’ve had great discussions on vintage book forums when the subject of racism and sexism in books from nearly a century ago are discussed and it’s refreshing to find that there are people who can actually discuss such things calmly. I’ve encountered women who say that yes Ian Fleming’s James Bond novels are absurdly sexist but they still love them because they’re stylish and fun. Most people really aren’t ideologues.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Great post!

    Agree, spending too much time online in political forums tends to distort one’s perspective about reality. As an example, one the kinds of forums I completely avoid are where there are Sunni-Shia debates; what an utter garbage dump - you go there and you’d think all Sunnis and Shiahs want to literally tear each others’ throats out, but it’s really just the kind of people disproportionately attracted to that forum in the first place. I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.

    One of the reasons I like Unz is exactly because it lets anyone through; no matter how zany.

    Your advice on checking out non-political forums is sound.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    Most people really aren’t ideologues.

    Exactly!

    That's why it falls to us to round them up and send them to the re-education camps.

    Wait. Did I just say that out loud?

  63. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    So there’s a lot of overlap in certain goals. These guys want a black community that is self sufficient, a lot less pozzed, and has the ability to keep its territorial integrity.
     
    I suspect there's a fair number of blacks who look back to the 50s with an odd nostalgia. There was an idea among many blacks at that time that there should be black communities that were relatively self-reliant, with blacks running the small businesses (black plumbers, black dry-cleaners, black tailors, black delicatessans, etc). With some black schoolteachers, and ideally black doctor and black nurses. And of course, crucially, black churches. I seem to recall Thomas Sowell talking about this, and about the way that that idea was to a certain extent being put into practice in a number of places. It seemed to encourage self-respect but importantly it was self-respect based on actual achievement.

    And such communities would be good places for black families to raise their kids.

    You don't need separate countries for this, you just need a willingness to make some sensible compromises and for blacks and whites to negotiate ways to make such communities work, and to keep those neighbourhoods intact - which means keeping out white gentrifiers and immigrants.

    Of course it was to a large extent drugs that destroyed that dream, along with political ideologues.

    Blacks and whites in the US will eventually have to find ways to peacefully co-exist in one country but maybe with a certain degree of separateness for those who want it.

    Replies: @Talha

    I agree with this, especially the last paragraph. If you listen or read these voices in the black community, you find that they are quite aware that many of the issues in the black community are due to the breakdown of the family (especially the lack of fathers in the household). Thus, they are very hostile (as they should be) to trends like wokeness/progressiveness which will further rupture and irreparably damage the family institution in their community.

    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).
     
    There was an interesting post a while back on Steve Sailer's blog about a prosperous middle-class black suburb in LA (I think it was LA). It's apparently overwhelming. White gentrifiers wanted to start moving in and the blacks were up in arms. And quite rightly so. It wasn't that they disliked whites but the white gentrifiers were going to drive house prices through the roof and change the whole flavour of the neighbourhood. This was a case of people who had an actual functional community which they really liked. Why shouldn't they be allowed to keep it?

    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

     

    Yes, definitely. And a resurgence of black churches would help. Black Christians offer another obvious opportunity for alliance-building. And black Muslims as well. Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Talha

  64. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums)
     
    One of the big dangers is to spend too much time on online political forums which tend to attract the hardliners, and usually the hardliners of a single faction. Plus they attract trolls who are invariably hardliners from a bitterly opposed political faction. So you end up thinking that the most extreme of your own views are much more widely shared than they really are, and that anyone who disagrees is a dangerous extremist fanatic.

    It amuses me to hear alt-righters on UR complain bitterly that Ron Unz allows dirty stinking commies to publish here. But that presumably is the whole point of UR - to expose readers to a wide variety of mostly non-mainstream views. Everyone from moon landing deniers to Hitler fanboys to Stalin fanboys to extreme libertarians to Country Club Republicans to IQ fetishists gets a say.

    I think it's also always a good idea to spend some of one's online time on totally apolitical forums. It's healthy to discover that not everyone is obsessed by politics, and to discover when politics does come up that some people really are pretty moderate. I've had great discussions on vintage book forums when the subject of racism and sexism in books from nearly a century ago are discussed and it's refreshing to find that there are people who can actually discuss such things calmly. I've encountered women who say that yes Ian Fleming's James Bond novels are absurdly sexist but they still love them because they're stylish and fun. Most people really aren't ideologues.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

    Great post!

    Agree, spending too much time online in political forums tends to distort one’s perspective about reality. As an example, one the kinds of forums I completely avoid are where there are Sunni-Shia debates; what an utter garbage dump – you go there and you’d think all Sunnis and Shiahs want to literally tear each others’ throats out, but it’s really just the kind of people disproportionately attracted to that forum in the first place. I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.

    One of the reasons I like Unz is exactly because it lets anyone through; no matter how zany.

    Your advice on checking out non-political forums is sound.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.
     
    I've seen Protestants and Catholics tear each other's throats out online. It's not a pretty sight.

    Replies: @Talha

  65. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom


    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can't say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    I have been depressed in the past, it's easy to slip into that cycle in a miserable place like Canada. I fucking hate Globohomo for what they have done to my country.

    That said, depression is manageable (for me, at least) with prayer and exercise. I refuse to take pills, drink, or any form of non natural coping.

    But yeah... everyone is on SSRI here..... wake up!

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @dfordoom, @Daniel Chieh

    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.

    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can’t say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    The problem with SSRIs is that they’re unpredictable, they’re over-prescribed and often prescribed to the wrong people and they can have nasty side-effects. They can flatten the emotions – you don’t feel bad because you don’t feel anything very much. They can in some cases increase the risk of suicide and no-one seems to quite know why. They seem to work very well for some people and very badly for others. My beef with them is that I believe the drug companies ad the medical establishment exaggerate the success rate with them and understate the numbers of people who have bad experiences with them.

    I would not advise someone not to take them if they’ve been prescribed. That would be irresponsible. But you have to be aware that they’re not necessarily the surefire miracle drug they’re promoted as being and they can have some nasty side-effects.

    The other issue is that any mind-altering drug, from SSRIs to cocaine to alcohol, is messing with your brain chemistry. It changes your outlook on life to some extent. Sometimes that’s a good thing, sometimes it isn’t.

    And psychiatrists know a lot less about what makes the mind work than they would like you to think. Psychiatry is more an art than a science.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom

    Hmm that's interesting.

    So essentially it could turn you into a glass-eyed, emotionless zombie.

    I know alot of people like that. Especially women. Well, Canada is #2 on the list for SSRI prescription.

    As far as prescription goes... I mean yeah, if you are at risk of suicide, then of course you should take it if prescribed. But if it's minor I think it's best to attempt to beat it yourself, with the help of others.

    One attitude we have is that life should be fun, easy, and carefree. We feel entitled to a glamorous and exciting life. Entitled to perfection. This falsity is pushed by Hollywood. Obviously, life is not, but when one compares his life to what it "should" be, it's pretty easy to despair. Combine this with broken families, lack of religion, anti white racism, mass immigration, etc. and it creates a general misery. Perhaps in a rush to cure this malaise they prescribe SSRIs which don't really cure any of the surrounding factors. So you could say 75% of depression cases are just due to bad external factors, while 25% are truly genetic cases in which prescription might be necessary, for instance.

    Anyways, if you are depressed I would recommend talking about it in confidence with someone. There is shame associated with it but if the person you're talking to cares about you they will be happy to help you out.

  66. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed. Listless couch potatoes, middle aged people with no kids, the unemployed, or even people employed with make work jobs (government workers) who know on some level their job is just welfare in disguise, are likely the most susceptible to depression. Look at celebrities: beautiful people with millions of dollars and 90% are perpetually medicated, because at the end of the day, they produce nothing of real value. Their existence is dependent upon the people who actually build society, with surplus income. Hollywood could disappear tomorrow and country would improve greatly. Pretty depressing reality if you're an actor.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed

    To a large extent I think that’s true. You don’t actually have to have a purpose, although obviously having a purpose is a very very good thing. But just developing a passion for something helps a lot. It can be anything from gardening to collecting antique salt and pepper shakers to cake-decorating. If it becomes an obsession you’ll never be bored and if you’re never bored you don’t have time to be depressed. I’d like to spend some time being depressed but I can’t because the roses need pruning, or I have to go work on the vintage Triumph motorcycle I’m restoring, or whatever. So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @dfordoom

    So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    I think that what you are saying only applies to "normal" depression. The kind of depression that kills is likely to be biological.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Justvisiting
    @dfordoom


    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.
     
    I am not sure whether that is true or not, but if true it is a very strange outcome.

    For hobbyists of any sort, the Internet offers many forums and webpages that are _very_ helpful in learning about hobbies. Anyone can become a true expert on their hobby in a way that was very difficult (or much more time consuming) before the Internet.

    What I have noticed is that it is difficult to discuss my hobbies with real people--the Internet has increased my expertise to such a point that I realize that 99.9% of the folks in the real world out there are totally clueless about my hobbies--there is a great geographic separation between "experts" unless you live in a large city. In addition what most people think they know about my hobbies is misinformation based on brief media coverage--so any discussion is mostly explaining why the common understanding is wrong.

    It is particularly amusing when the mass media attempts to discuss my hobbies. The reporters are always stunningly clueless, and the articles usually fail to get any important facts correct or to ask the right questions. The "experts" they like to quote are usually the loudest people in the room, not the most knowledgeable.

    Such "experts" and "conventional wisdom" are easily unmasked on Internet forums by folks who have a lifetime of experience in whatever is being discussed.
  67. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums)
     
    One of the big dangers is to spend too much time on online political forums which tend to attract the hardliners, and usually the hardliners of a single faction. Plus they attract trolls who are invariably hardliners from a bitterly opposed political faction. So you end up thinking that the most extreme of your own views are much more widely shared than they really are, and that anyone who disagrees is a dangerous extremist fanatic.

    It amuses me to hear alt-righters on UR complain bitterly that Ron Unz allows dirty stinking commies to publish here. But that presumably is the whole point of UR - to expose readers to a wide variety of mostly non-mainstream views. Everyone from moon landing deniers to Hitler fanboys to Stalin fanboys to extreme libertarians to Country Club Republicans to IQ fetishists gets a say.

    I think it's also always a good idea to spend some of one's online time on totally apolitical forums. It's healthy to discover that not everyone is obsessed by politics, and to discover when politics does come up that some people really are pretty moderate. I've had great discussions on vintage book forums when the subject of racism and sexism in books from nearly a century ago are discussed and it's refreshing to find that there are people who can actually discuss such things calmly. I've encountered women who say that yes Ian Fleming's James Bond novels are absurdly sexist but they still love them because they're stylish and fun. Most people really aren't ideologues.

    Replies: @Talha, @iffen

    Most people really aren’t ideologues.

    Exactly!

    That’s why it falls to us to round them up and send them to the re-education camps.

    Wait. Did I just say that out loud?

    • LOL: Talha
  68. @dfordoom
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed
     
    To a large extent I think that's true. You don't actually have to have a purpose, although obviously having a purpose is a very very good thing. But just developing a passion for something helps a lot. It can be anything from gardening to collecting antique salt and pepper shakers to cake-decorating. If it becomes an obsession you'll never be bored and if you're never bored you don't have time to be depressed. I'd like to spend some time being depressed but I can't because the roses need pruning, or I have to go work on the vintage Triumph motorcycle I'm restoring, or whatever. So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.

    Replies: @iffen, @Justvisiting

    So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    I think that what you are saying only applies to “normal” depression. The kind of depression that kills is likely to be biological.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @iffen


    I think that what you are saying only applies to “normal” depression. The kind of depression that kills is likely to be biological.
     
    No-one really knows. It's possible. Psychiatrists have persuaded us that they have accurately classified every mental disorder and it's all there in their holy scripture, the DSM-V. But they actually have no idea what's going on in mental illnesses. Some are certainly physiological. Some are certainly not physiological. Some are completely imaginary. No-one knows for sure which are which. Most are just collections of symptoms.

    Depression may in fact be a number of different phenomena, possibly not even related but displaying similar symptoms. Mental illness is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

    All I know for sure is that in my own case antidepressants made things worse. Activity made things better. In other people I've known activity has made things better. But maybe that's not true in all cases.

    As I said earlier I would not be reckless enough to tell anyone to throw their antidepressants away. But I do think they need to be approached with caution, and that they're over-prescribed.
  69. @dfordoom
    @MikeatMikedotMike


    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed
     
    To a large extent I think that's true. You don't actually have to have a purpose, although obviously having a purpose is a very very good thing. But just developing a passion for something helps a lot. It can be anything from gardening to collecting antique salt and pepper shakers to cake-decorating. If it becomes an obsession you'll never be bored and if you're never bored you don't have time to be depressed. I'd like to spend some time being depressed but I can't because the roses need pruning, or I have to go work on the vintage Triumph motorcycle I'm restoring, or whatever. So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.

    Replies: @iffen, @Justvisiting

    One negative thing about the internet is that is has largely killed off traditional hobbies.

    I am not sure whether that is true or not, but if true it is a very strange outcome.

    For hobbyists of any sort, the Internet offers many forums and webpages that are _very_ helpful in learning about hobbies. Anyone can become a true expert on their hobby in a way that was very difficult (or much more time consuming) before the Internet.

    What I have noticed is that it is difficult to discuss my hobbies with real people–the Internet has increased my expertise to such a point that I realize that 99.9% of the folks in the real world out there are totally clueless about my hobbies–there is a great geographic separation between “experts” unless you live in a large city. In addition what most people think they know about my hobbies is misinformation based on brief media coverage–so any discussion is mostly explaining why the common understanding is wrong.

    It is particularly amusing when the mass media attempts to discuss my hobbies. The reporters are always stunningly clueless, and the articles usually fail to get any important facts correct or to ask the right questions. The “experts” they like to quote are usually the loudest people in the room, not the most knowledgeable.

    Such “experts” and “conventional wisdom” are easily unmasked on Internet forums by folks who have a lifetime of experience in whatever is being discussed.

    • Agree: iffen, Audacious Epigone
  70. @MikeatMikedotMike
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    In general, depression is caused lack of purpose and or lack of activity. Motivated people with a purpose, goals, whatever do not get depressed. Listless couch potatoes, middle aged people with no kids, the unemployed, or even people employed with make work jobs (government workers) who know on some level their job is just welfare in disguise, are likely the most susceptible to depression. Look at celebrities: beautiful people with millions of dollars and 90% are perpetually medicated, because at the end of the day, they produce nothing of real value. Their existence is dependent upon the people who actually build society, with surplus income. Hollywood could disappear tomorrow and country would improve greatly. Pretty depressing reality if you're an actor.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    I dunno.

    Maybe that’s true for middle aged people.

    My depression seemed to come from lack of friends, social networks, and general isolation. (Plus girlfriends treating me like shit). I guess that is the modern lifestyle.

    That said, depression seems to run in my family (on my fathers side) so maybe mine is just genetic, and I would have gotten it no matter what my circumstances.

    Either way, I got it under control without SSRIs through prayer, exercise and healthy eating. Essentially just simulating a traditional lifestyle of 100+ years ago.

    However I treat it like a disease of which I will never be fully cured. I’m always on watch if this devil tries to come back into my brain. The devil never goes away, no matter what form he may take.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    Either way, I got it under control without SSRIs through prayer, exercise and healthy eating. Essentially just simulating a traditional lifestyle of 100+ years ago.
     
    Agree with this, but I'd go further back than 100 years. Almost all human history has been hunter-gathering in an endless natural wilderness. Close lifetime bonds to a related group of less than 25 people, essential group interdependence /trust, and a great deal of physical activity, inevitably a natural diet and occasional hungry periods. Average life expectancy about 30 years.
  71. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    I agree with this, especially the last paragraph. If you listen or read these voices in the black community, you find that they are quite aware that many of the issues in the black community are due to the breakdown of the family (especially the lack of fathers in the household). Thus, they are very hostile (as they should be) to trends like wokeness/progressiveness which will further rupture and irreparably damage the family institution in their community.

    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).

    There was an interesting post a while back on Steve Sailer’s blog about a prosperous middle-class black suburb in LA (I think it was LA). It’s apparently overwhelming. White gentrifiers wanted to start moving in and the blacks were up in arms. And quite rightly so. It wasn’t that they disliked whites but the white gentrifiers were going to drive house prices through the roof and change the whole flavour of the neighbourhood. This was a case of people who had an actual functional community which they really liked. Why shouldn’t they be allowed to keep it?

    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

    Yes, definitely. And a resurgence of black churches would help. Black Christians offer another obvious opportunity for alliance-building. And black Muslims as well. Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom

    I wonder sometimes if islam is a better religion for blacks than christianity.

    Easy to follow, basic rituals, clear corporal punishment for transgressions, tempering of lust. Basically what blacks need to be successful.

    I feel that Christianity can be too complicated and difficult for blacks, since it comes from within (guilt) rather than from without (shame).

    Blacks don't feel guilt but if they are afraid of getting their head cut off for stealing they will shape up pretty quick.

    Same with marriages, muslims do a good job of matchmaking and getting people into marriages. This is especially positive for black men as they have a high sex drive to start with, so being in a healthy marriage where they can expend that sexual aggression in a positive way will certainly help calm them down, I think.

    This is certainly at odds with the views of most Christians I know (and the bible). But during our Bible studies I just can't help but think the blacks don't fit in; they are not intelligent enough nor do they care about whatever metaphor whitey is talking about what jesus did.

    Not an insult against blacks or islam btw, some people are smarter than others it's the way things are.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

    , @Talha
    @dfordoom


    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.
     
    Yes and more opportunities for some kind of alliance to push back keep on getting ignored as we keep marching forward in a nonsensical direction. Like minded folks need to be able to have the ability to reach over to the other side; this is one thing that makes the Left-liberals powerful - that they are fairly good at making alliances across sections of the populace.

    Take a listen to a clip of Shaykh Shadee Elmasry talk about why he can empathize with native whites in the US for why they don't want more immigration and how ludicrous the entire idea is to flood places with random people from all over the world:
    https://twitter.com/NabeelAzeezDXB/status/1185064499180638209

    https://twitter.com/NabeelAzeezDXB/status/1185078768894959616

    Now Nabeel Azeez (a brother that has been engaging with big names on the dissident right for years) called this "based and red-pilled", but it's not. It's simply traditional understanding of how societies work and in-groups function. There's really not anything new under the sun that wasn't likely written down by Ibn Khaldun or others over time.

    Men with traditional understanding (like Shaykh Shadee) across the spectrum can actually come to some kind of dialog and arrangement based on realistic assumptions and goals.

    Left-liberal type Muslims will not get it. They will insist that everyone who thinks about border-controls is racist scum because they've broken with traditional understandings of how the world naturally functions. And unfortunately, their naive and idealistic outlook on things will ensure the situation gets worse, not better.

    Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.
     
    Agreed.

    Peace.
  72. @dfordoom
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker



    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can’t say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?
     
    The problem with SSRIs is that they're unpredictable, they're over-prescribed and often prescribed to the wrong people and they can have nasty side-effects. They can flatten the emotions - you don't feel bad because you don't feel anything very much. They can in some cases increase the risk of suicide and no-one seems to quite know why. They seem to work very well for some people and very badly for others. My beef with them is that I believe the drug companies ad the medical establishment exaggerate the success rate with them and understate the numbers of people who have bad experiences with them.

    I would not advise someone not to take them if they've been prescribed. That would be irresponsible. But you have to be aware that they're not necessarily the surefire miracle drug they're promoted as being and they can have some nasty side-effects.

    The other issue is that any mind-altering drug, from SSRIs to cocaine to alcohol, is messing with your brain chemistry. It changes your outlook on life to some extent. Sometimes that's a good thing, sometimes it isn't.

    And psychiatrists know a lot less about what makes the mind work than they would like you to think. Psychiatry is more an art than a science.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Hmm that’s interesting.

    So essentially it could turn you into a glass-eyed, emotionless zombie.

    I know alot of people like that. Especially women. Well, Canada is #2 on the list for SSRI prescription.

    As far as prescription goes… I mean yeah, if you are at risk of suicide, then of course you should take it if prescribed. But if it’s minor I think it’s best to attempt to beat it yourself, with the help of others.

    One attitude we have is that life should be fun, easy, and carefree. We feel entitled to a glamorous and exciting life. Entitled to perfection. This falsity is pushed by Hollywood. Obviously, life is not, but when one compares his life to what it “should” be, it’s pretty easy to despair. Combine this with broken families, lack of religion, anti white racism, mass immigration, etc. and it creates a general misery. Perhaps in a rush to cure this malaise they prescribe SSRIs which don’t really cure any of the surrounding factors. So you could say 75% of depression cases are just due to bad external factors, while 25% are truly genetic cases in which prescription might be necessary, for instance.

    Anyways, if you are depressed I would recommend talking about it in confidence with someone. There is shame associated with it but if the person you’re talking to cares about you they will be happy to help you out.

  73. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).
     
    There was an interesting post a while back on Steve Sailer's blog about a prosperous middle-class black suburb in LA (I think it was LA). It's apparently overwhelming. White gentrifiers wanted to start moving in and the blacks were up in arms. And quite rightly so. It wasn't that they disliked whites but the white gentrifiers were going to drive house prices through the roof and change the whole flavour of the neighbourhood. This was a case of people who had an actual functional community which they really liked. Why shouldn't they be allowed to keep it?

    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

     

    Yes, definitely. And a resurgence of black churches would help. Black Christians offer another obvious opportunity for alliance-building. And black Muslims as well. Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Talha

    I wonder sometimes if islam is a better religion for blacks than christianity.

    Easy to follow, basic rituals, clear corporal punishment for transgressions, tempering of lust. Basically what blacks need to be successful.

    I feel that Christianity can be too complicated and difficult for blacks, since it comes from within (guilt) rather than from without (shame).

    Blacks don’t feel guilt but if they are afraid of getting their head cut off for stealing they will shape up pretty quick.

    Same with marriages, muslims do a good job of matchmaking and getting people into marriages. This is especially positive for black men as they have a high sex drive to start with, so being in a healthy marriage where they can expend that sexual aggression in a positive way will certainly help calm them down, I think.

    This is certainly at odds with the views of most Christians I know (and the bible). But during our Bible studies I just can’t help but think the blacks don’t fit in; they are not intelligent enough nor do they care about whatever metaphor whitey is talking about what jesus did.

    Not an insult against blacks or islam btw, some people are smarter than others it’s the way things are.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Well, cullut people know how to have fun with Christianity, at least. They get to hollerin and dancin around and then they fall all out in the floor (called being slain in the spirit). It looks like they have a real good time, plus their preachers nail any woman that gets near them....

    Anyway, in some cases being dumb lets you have a real good time in situations where smart folks are kind of miserable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

  74. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Great post!

    Agree, spending too much time online in political forums tends to distort one’s perspective about reality. As an example, one the kinds of forums I completely avoid are where there are Sunni-Shia debates; what an utter garbage dump - you go there and you’d think all Sunnis and Shiahs want to literally tear each others’ throats out, but it’s really just the kind of people disproportionately attracted to that forum in the first place. I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.

    One of the reasons I like Unz is exactly because it lets anyone through; no matter how zany.

    Your advice on checking out non-political forums is sound.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.

    I’ve seen Protestants and Catholics tear each other’s throats out online. It’s not a pretty sight.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Right. And I've had multiple personalities here at Unz (and other venues) try to bait me into a Sunni-Shia debate and I have declined (as per the advice from my teachers). Usually the way to respond is; no thanks, bro - why don't I pray for God to guide and correct any wrong views you have and you do the same for me?

    At that point, most normal people understand you want to de-escalate and respond in kind.

    The psychopaths however simply getting even more triggered, which reminds me of an old Yemeni saying I once heard; some people, even if they were alone, would pick a fight with their own feet.

    The only thing I can see that comes out of something like that is to turn away anybody normal in disgust from the religion (Christianity or Islam) in general based upon the horrific behavior and manners of those that claim to be "champions of the faith".

    Peace.

  75. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    I dunno.

    Maybe that's true for middle aged people.

    My depression seemed to come from lack of friends, social networks, and general isolation. (Plus girlfriends treating me like shit). I guess that is the modern lifestyle.

    That said, depression seems to run in my family (on my fathers side) so maybe mine is just genetic, and I would have gotten it no matter what my circumstances.

    Either way, I got it under control without SSRIs through prayer, exercise and healthy eating. Essentially just simulating a traditional lifestyle of 100+ years ago.

    However I treat it like a disease of which I will never be fully cured. I'm always on watch if this devil tries to come back into my brain. The devil never goes away, no matter what form he may take.

    Replies: @Miro23

    Either way, I got it under control without SSRIs through prayer, exercise and healthy eating. Essentially just simulating a traditional lifestyle of 100+ years ago.

    Agree with this, but I’d go further back than 100 years. Almost all human history has been hunter-gathering in an endless natural wilderness. Close lifetime bonds to a related group of less than 25 people, essential group interdependence /trust, and a great deal of physical activity, inevitably a natural diet and occasional hungry periods. Average life expectancy about 30 years.

  76. @iffen
    @dfordoom

    So yes, your point about lack of activity is spot on.

    I think that what you are saying only applies to "normal" depression. The kind of depression that kills is likely to be biological.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I think that what you are saying only applies to “normal” depression. The kind of depression that kills is likely to be biological.

    No-one really knows. It’s possible. Psychiatrists have persuaded us that they have accurately classified every mental disorder and it’s all there in their holy scripture, the DSM-V. But they actually have no idea what’s going on in mental illnesses. Some are certainly physiological. Some are certainly not physiological. Some are completely imaginary. No-one knows for sure which are which. Most are just collections of symptoms.

    Depression may in fact be a number of different phenomena, possibly not even related but displaying similar symptoms. Mental illness is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

    All I know for sure is that in my own case antidepressants made things worse. Activity made things better. In other people I’ve known activity has made things better. But maybe that’s not true in all cases.

    As I said earlier I would not be reckless enough to tell anyone to throw their antidepressants away. But I do think they need to be approached with caution, and that they’re over-prescribed.

  77. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    I’m sure it’s similar on specific forums where Protestants debate Catholics or something.
     
    I've seen Protestants and Catholics tear each other's throats out online. It's not a pretty sight.

    Replies: @Talha

    Right. And I’ve had multiple personalities here at Unz (and other venues) try to bait me into a Sunni-Shia debate and I have declined (as per the advice from my teachers). Usually the way to respond is; no thanks, bro – why don’t I pray for God to guide and correct any wrong views you have and you do the same for me?

    At that point, most normal people understand you want to de-escalate and respond in kind.

    The psychopaths however simply getting even more triggered, which reminds me of an old Yemeni saying I once heard; some people, even if they were alone, would pick a fight with their own feet.

    The only thing I can see that comes out of something like that is to turn away anybody normal in disgust from the religion (Christianity or Islam) in general based upon the horrific behavior and manners of those that claim to be “champions of the faith”.

    Peace.

  78. The title is not only a great title, it’s also a pretty good analogy. I like it. There, that’s my smooch-up-to-the-authors entry for the month.

    JK, I’m being sincere over here. 😉

  79. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Again, there is a lot of overlap in converging goals for whites or anyone else that has a similar outlook. And, as you said, a mutual degree of separation for those whites and blacks that want it, should be able to be negotiated (maybe at the municipal level).
     
    There was an interesting post a while back on Steve Sailer's blog about a prosperous middle-class black suburb in LA (I think it was LA). It's apparently overwhelming. White gentrifiers wanted to start moving in and the blacks were up in arms. And quite rightly so. It wasn't that they disliked whites but the white gentrifiers were going to drive house prices through the roof and change the whole flavour of the neighbourhood. This was a case of people who had an actual functional community which they really liked. Why shouldn't they be allowed to keep it?

    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.

    I personally think that a resurgence of strong families (with strong father leadership) will fix a lot of issues that are plaguing their community and spilling over into others.

     

    Yes, definitely. And a resurgence of black churches would help. Black Christians offer another obvious opportunity for alliance-building. And black Muslims as well. Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Talha

    This situation seemed like a perfect opportunity for alliance-building but needless to say the opportunity was ignored.

    Yes and more opportunities for some kind of alliance to push back keep on getting ignored as we keep marching forward in a nonsensical direction. Like minded folks need to be able to have the ability to reach over to the other side; this is one thing that makes the Left-liberals powerful – that they are fairly good at making alliances across sections of the populace.

    Take a listen to a clip of Shaykh Shadee Elmasry talk about why he can empathize with native whites in the US for why they don’t want more immigration and how ludicrous the entire idea is to flood places with random people from all over the world:
    https://twitter.com/NabeelAzeezDXB/status/1185064499180638209

    https://twitter.com/NabeelAzeezDXB/status/1185078768894959616

    Now Nabeel Azeez (a brother that has been engaging with big names on the dissident right for years) called this “based and red-pilled”, but it’s not. It’s simply traditional understanding of how societies work and in-groups function. There’s really not anything new under the sun that wasn’t likely written down by Ibn Khaldun or others over time.

    Men with traditional understanding (like Shaykh Shadee) across the spectrum can actually come to some kind of dialog and arrangement based on realistic assumptions and goals.

    Left-liberal type Muslims will not get it. They will insist that everyone who thinks about border-controls is racist scum because they’ve broken with traditional understandings of how the world naturally functions. And unfortunately, their naive and idealistic outlook on things will ensure the situation gets worse, not better.

    Anyone who emphasises family and religion and is against GloboDecadence is a good ally.

    Agreed.

    Peace.

  80. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom

    I wonder sometimes if islam is a better religion for blacks than christianity.

    Easy to follow, basic rituals, clear corporal punishment for transgressions, tempering of lust. Basically what blacks need to be successful.

    I feel that Christianity can be too complicated and difficult for blacks, since it comes from within (guilt) rather than from without (shame).

    Blacks don't feel guilt but if they are afraid of getting their head cut off for stealing they will shape up pretty quick.

    Same with marriages, muslims do a good job of matchmaking and getting people into marriages. This is especially positive for black men as they have a high sex drive to start with, so being in a healthy marriage where they can expend that sexual aggression in a positive way will certainly help calm them down, I think.

    This is certainly at odds with the views of most Christians I know (and the bible). But during our Bible studies I just can't help but think the blacks don't fit in; they are not intelligent enough nor do they care about whatever metaphor whitey is talking about what jesus did.

    Not an insult against blacks or islam btw, some people are smarter than others it's the way things are.

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

    Well, cullut people know how to have fun with Christianity, at least. They get to hollerin and dancin around and then they fall all out in the floor (called being slain in the spirit). It looks like they have a real good time, plus their preachers nail any woman that gets near them….

    Anyway, in some cases being dumb lets you have a real good time in situations where smart folks are kind of miserable.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @Twodees Partain

    Smart folks need a great sense of humor--then depression will not be a concern.

    Take my SJWs, please!

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

  81. @Twodees Partain
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Well, cullut people know how to have fun with Christianity, at least. They get to hollerin and dancin around and then they fall all out in the floor (called being slain in the spirit). It looks like they have a real good time, plus their preachers nail any woman that gets near them....

    Anyway, in some cases being dumb lets you have a real good time in situations where smart folks are kind of miserable.

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    Smart folks need a great sense of humor–then depression will not be a concern.

    Take my SJWs, please!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    @Justvisiting

    Yeah. I'm sure there are some smart people in America. I just don't know any personally. I'm probably not smart enough to spot a smart person anyway.

  82. @Justvisiting
    @Twodees Partain

    Smart folks need a great sense of humor--then depression will not be a concern.

    Take my SJWs, please!

    Replies: @Twodees Partain

    Yeah. I’m sure there are some smart people in America. I just don’t know any personally. I’m probably not smart enough to spot a smart person anyway.

  83. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @dfordoom


    Antidepressants have clearly been a factor in our civilisational decline. Apart from anything else they distort the emotions.
     
    Can you elaborate?

    I have never been on anti depressants so I can't say what the changes in the brain are like. Can you or somebody else explain?

    I have been depressed in the past, it's easy to slip into that cycle in a miserable place like Canada. I fucking hate Globohomo for what they have done to my country.

    That said, depression is manageable (for me, at least) with prayer and exercise. I refuse to take pills, drink, or any form of non natural coping.

    But yeah... everyone is on SSRI here..... wake up!

    Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike, @dfordoom, @Daniel Chieh

    For many, they basically make you unable to feel anything. This goes beyond the usual emo-ish argument of “unable to feel”; they can make you unable to keep track of time anymore, so arguably actually reduce the overall consciousness of a person.

  84. @neutral
    Wrong diagnosis, people like to point out the all the symptoms, but real cause is the jew. Europe had multiple pogroms against jews over the centuries, that is how Europe managed to survive, but for the last 70 years the patient has been left untreated.

    Replies: @Amerimutt Golems, @Audacious Epigone

    Israel is doing pretty well.

    Is there a correlation between the Jewish percentage of a majority-European population and positive or negative outcomes?

  85. @Not My Economy
    I don't buy any natural cycle theories, this is too deliberate. Wokeness is propagated by capital, part of the constant struggle for lower labor costs.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Charles Pewitt, @Audacious Epigone

    It’s the new opiate of the over-educated, skill-less masses.

  86. @AaronB
    @orionyx

    I completely agree with you. Muslims are not to blame - for anything. Killing homosexuals - and anything else bad Muslims do - is entirely caused by (((they))) That much is obvious. (((They))) also caused Christians in the Middle Ages to burn heretics. Everyone knows this, its old news.

    But that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Caused by tricky and nefarious (((them))) or not, mankind likes to kill and persecute those that threaten their beliefs.

    So the Young case is perfectly normal historically, as force is always used to enforce sacred beliefs.

    One can escape that by not having beliefs - God cannot be described and all that - but only a minority of mankind can rest on "nothing", as the Buddhists say.

    Anyways I'm suggesting nothing needs to - or can - change about the world. Only a change in perspective is needed by those who would not find the whole spectacle appalling.

    Replies: @SFG, @Audacious Epigone

    Don’t forget what they’ve done to Japan!

  87. @AaronB
    @SFG

    Of course.

    (((They))) are also responsible for any negative developments in India and China also. Its been proven.

    Have you been reading this site? Do you have any grievances wherever you're from? I can guarantee you Jews are responsible for them.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Aaron is a convert to Judaism who lives in Israel IIRC. He’s having fun with the nefarious-Jews-are-hiding-behind-every-curtain types.

  88. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    And there is something to learn from people you may disagree with. I know I definitely have, but it has always been from reasonable people, not the ones that sound like they got out of their restraints at the insane asylum and found an internet-connected laptop.

    As far as reasonableness of views; I’ve found that a good litmus test is to ask oneself if what one is thinking could be presented in front of one’s own family and close friends (real ones, not on Internet forums). If you can’t really convince at least some of the people that love and trust you the most to your side or at least have them believe you have a reasonable vision for society....well...

    I mean if they would look at you like you just revealed that you screwed the family dog, there’s your answer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @iffen, @dfordoom, @Audacious Epigone

    Right. If it turns off family and close friends who are willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, it’s definitely going to turn off strangers who will not.

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