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Okay, the left has shifted drastically from moderate immigration restrictionism to something approaching open borders in the span of less than two decades, but the country’s demographics have changed over that time, too. Immigration begets support for more immigration, and immigrants to America tend to be on the political left:

2004-2018

What other trend happened during that time?

These sorts of charts are next-to-useless without separating out race.

Fair enough, there is a lot of utility in that as a general principle. And it applies in this case, too, but not in the way many would expect. The seismic shift in views on immigration have predominantly been driven by whites, especially white liberals:

Compare this to people of color:

And even to liberal people of color:

In 2018, the latest iteration of the General Social Survey to have been released as of this posting, half of white liberals want immigration increased, compared to less than one-third of liberal POCs. White leftists are more supportive of open immigration than even non-white leftists are.

Parenthetically, if we read the survey question carefully (and literally–which almost no one who participated in the survey likely did), it inquires about the number of immigrants in the country, not the rate of immigration into the country. So achieving a “remain the same” response would require something close to a moratorium on future immigration and “be decreased” would require deportation. As of 2018, then, people of color net out at the goldilocks position. The number of immigrants in the country is just right and should neither be increased nor decreased! The number of times the corporate media will present this reality to the public is precisely zero, of course.

GSS variables used: LETIN1A(1-2)(3)(4-5), YEAR, POLVIEWS(1-3), RACEHISP(1)(2-4)

 
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  1. Dumbo says: • Website

    This just goes to show that support for massive migration is really a form of ethnic suicide.

    It’s the same as those radical environmentalists who say “we humans should become extinct”.

    But anyway, “People of Color” (when will it become racist to say it?) is too general a term. Perhaps Mexicans and Blacks have different views on it. Perhaps Mexicans are in favor of immigration of other Mexicans but not so much of Asians. Etc.

  2. AE, you are pretty much the only one who seems to validate his thesis with the data on this topic.

    I’ve always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries. I think the data you present here is yet another evidence for that idea.

    One group of whites wants more foederati through increased intake of migrants. The other group of whites doesn’t.

    One interesting question for me is this. Clearly those who want more migrants are in power now, so we will likely get more migrants. Most of those migrants won’t be white and won’t be white liberals. At some point, if at all, will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites whose views they do not share and go rogue? How long will they be bought off? Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @neutral
    @Twinkie


    Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?
     
    I have come across news where some leftists gets raped/attacked by some third worlder that they supported entering their land, even after that they don't change their mind. There is absolutely nothing rational in their mindset, they are fanatical cultists that will give up their lives (and the lives of their families) for their belief system. There are no circumstances that can make them say they are wrong.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Eventually the US will become like Brazil. So will the European countries, with their own, particular mix. That will be the new equilibrium, class-stratified and implicitly color-stratified or at least phenotype-stratified. (Simple color really never has been it, but rather a usually reliable corollary.)

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday

    , @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie


    I’ve always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries.
     
    That's also the classic Derbyshire view. And now that AE has empirically confirmed it, would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of "white people", and within that the sub-category of "liberals", and within that the sub-category of "immigration enthusiasts", might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?

    Whatever the answer to the previous question, I do think it is safe to say that every dire social trend seems to be driven by support from white liberals, or whatever sub-ethnicity.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @SFG

    , @iffen
    @Twinkie

    will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites

    Well, the Germanic tribes never tired of it and never thought about taking over the place.

  3. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    How to get access to the GSS?

  4. America’s national religion is cultural marxism and it has three main aspects of faith:

    1. The cult of the sacred negro

    2. The dogma of the innocent Jew

    3. The faith of the almighty anus

    All who oppose these dogmas will feel the wrath of the inquisition, operating out of the sacred halls of silicon valley

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  5. @Twinkie
    AE, you are pretty much the only one who seems to validate his thesis with the data on this topic.

    I've always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries. I think the data you present here is yet another evidence for that idea.

    One group of whites wants more foederati through increased intake of migrants. The other group of whites doesn't.

    One interesting question for me is this. Clearly those who want more migrants are in power now, so we will likely get more migrants. Most of those migrants won't be white and won't be white liberals. At some point, if at all, will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites whose views they do not share and go rogue? How long will they be bought off? Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    Replies: @neutral, @Buzz Mohawk, @Almost Missouri, @iffen

    Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    I have come across news where some leftists gets raped/attacked by some third worlder that they supported entering their land, even after that they don’t change their mind. There is absolutely nothing rational in their mindset, they are fanatical cultists that will give up their lives (and the lives of their families) for their belief system. There are no circumstances that can make them say they are wrong.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @neutral


    where some leftists gets raped
     
    You didn’t understand my point. Try reading it again. Let me rephrase it - how docile and loyal is an uneducated Hispanic dad is going to feel about his white liberal political overlords and their pro-black violence and pro-trans ideology if his daughter gets mauled by a boy in a girl’s soccer game or she is assaulted by blacks?
  6. The increase in pro-immigration sentiment among white leftists makes sense. The political tone is still set by the Boomers, and because they thought they would never get old, and are now ageing, they’re embittered and wish to take their anger out on their posterity. If the Boomers cannot be young, then let their young posterity at least suffer. And of course the Gen X, Millennial, and Zoomer contingent of the left is suicidal and miserable and just wants to be put out of their misery.
    Sometimes when a young kid and his grandpa sit on the couch, they come to an accord about what to watch on the TV. Immigration suits the suicide-pact state of mind both the young and old liberals find themselves in. Or, as Biden said to the minorities: “Let me be your bridge.” Biden’s the white Ephialtes.

  7. @neutral
    @Twinkie


    Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?
     
    I have come across news where some leftists gets raped/attacked by some third worlder that they supported entering their land, even after that they don't change their mind. There is absolutely nothing rational in their mindset, they are fanatical cultists that will give up their lives (and the lives of their families) for their belief system. There are no circumstances that can make them say they are wrong.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    where some leftists gets raped

    You didn’t understand my point. Try reading it again. Let me rephrase it – how docile and loyal is an uneducated Hispanic dad is going to feel about his white liberal political overlords and their pro-black violence and pro-trans ideology if his daughter gets mauled by a boy in a girl’s soccer game or she is assaulted by blacks?

  8. @Twinkie
    AE, you are pretty much the only one who seems to validate his thesis with the data on this topic.

    I've always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries. I think the data you present here is yet another evidence for that idea.

    One group of whites wants more foederati through increased intake of migrants. The other group of whites doesn't.

    One interesting question for me is this. Clearly those who want more migrants are in power now, so we will likely get more migrants. Most of those migrants won't be white and won't be white liberals. At some point, if at all, will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites whose views they do not share and go rogue? How long will they be bought off? Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    Replies: @neutral, @Buzz Mohawk, @Almost Missouri, @iffen

    Eventually the US will become like Brazil. So will the European countries, with their own, particular mix. That will be the new equilibrium, class-stratified and implicitly color-stratified or at least phenotype-stratified. (Simple color really never has been it, but rather a usually reliable corollary.)

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That's if we're lucky. Brazil would represent a kind of "soft landing," i.e. corruption, high levels of crime, inflation, periodic shortages of consumer goods, favelas, and a barely adequate infrastructure,
    but they muddle along somehow. Brazil does advantages that we don't: a single language spoken by nearly all Brazilians, a common faith (Catholicism) even if it's only casually observed, a reasonably uniform national culture, and AFAIK a media that is not overtly hostile to half or more of the country.

    If I had to guess I'd say we're in for a much harder landing. Nobody has old scores to settle with Brazil, but there are plenty of countries that would relish the opportunity to take a poke at Uncle Sam when he's down.

  9. In the UK white liberals tend to prefer having immigrants mainly because it keeps the proles away from the cities they are living in, if there is any type of person that liberals hate it is working class whites who they see as a threat to their privileged way of life. There are obviously also the benefits that immigrants bring to them like cheap tradesmen, nannies and delivery workers. If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    Several commenters agree with you. I do not disagree, but Jews play a different rôle than white liberals do.

    I do not know whether the United States would be careening toward Woke totalitarianism if the U.S. had no Jews. The question (which admittedly I asked, not you) is too speculative to answer. This world is a fallen world. Trouble is always on the horizon.

    However, white liberals are we ourselves. They are our own kin. They emerge from the collective psyche of our own people. We must deal with their leftist madness, whether we will or nill.

    Jews are another, alien case—alien not because we have excluded them but because, collectively, they have excluded themselves. I think that abstract questions of the individual versus the collective distract too many of us at this point, as if the individual and the collective did not both have real consequences. Too many Jews have conveniently shifted identity too many times, too rapidly, too fluidly, from the individual to the Jewish collective to the white collective to the imaginary nonwhite collective and back. A significant minority among Jews do not do this: this is acknowledged and it helps; but the circumstance is what it is.

    In contrast to the Jews, there exists no enduring collective of white liberals. They are we. They are among us and of us. They are dangerous because we are dangerous. It does us little good to loathe ourselves.

    Meanwhile, it is not mere white liberals that lead NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Comcast, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citi, Blackrock, the State Department, the Treasury, the Justice Department and so on. Given that Jews make up only 2 percent of the U.S. population, the fewness of counterexamples (Dartmouth, Chase, DoD, etc.) is striking.

    Two obviously decent Jews are associated with this blog, so one regrets mentioning the matter here in their company, but unfortunately the larger situation is what it is—and even decent Jews benefit from Jewish privilege as far as I can tell. The Jewish question has got to be asked.

    Not answered. Asked. If a thousand years of asking have found no answer to the Jewish question, then you and I shall find none now; but if Jews behave better when the misdeeds of their own people are noticed, then asking may be all that is required.

    Replies: @oliver elkington, @Jay Fink, @Audacious Epigone

    , @A123
    @oliver elkington


    Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    There is a huge logic problem with what you state.

    • How many Elite Jews are in senior government positions hundreds possibly thousands?
    • How many Elite Christians are in senior government positions thousands possibly tens of thousands?

    Now let us follow this to its logical outcome:
    -- A small number of Elite Jews in government are causing the problem, therefore all Jews are guilty.

    Is it not then equally true?
    -- A small number of Elite Christians in government are causing the problem, therefore all Christians are guilty.
    _______

    The issue is with Elite abuse of power. You can state that Jews are over represented, however it does not get you anywhere. The majority of U.S. Elites are (or claim to be) Christian.

    The only racist party in the U.S. is the DNC. If anti-Semitism is your #1 priority you can align yourself with racist Rashid Tlaib and racist Ilhan Omar. However, that racism will help the Elites that are the actual source of the problems.

    Your better option is to give up on racism.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Pat Kittle

  10. @Twinkie
    AE, you are pretty much the only one who seems to validate his thesis with the data on this topic.

    I've always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries. I think the data you present here is yet another evidence for that idea.

    One group of whites wants more foederati through increased intake of migrants. The other group of whites doesn't.

    One interesting question for me is this. Clearly those who want more migrants are in power now, so we will likely get more migrants. Most of those migrants won't be white and won't be white liberals. At some point, if at all, will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites whose views they do not share and go rogue? How long will they be bought off? Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    Replies: @neutral, @Buzz Mohawk, @Almost Missouri, @iffen

    I’ve always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries.

    That’s also the classic Derbyshire view. And now that AE has empirically confirmed it, would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of “white people”, and within that the sub-category of “liberals”, and within that the sub-category of “immigration enthusiasts”, might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?

    Whatever the answer to the previous question, I do think it is safe to say that every dire social trend seems to be driven by support from white liberals, or whatever sub-ethnicity.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Almost Missouri


    would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of “white people”, and within that the sub-category of “liberals”, and within that the sub-category of “immigration enthusiasts”, might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?
     
    Are you asking if Jews are preponderantly represented in one of the two warring white factions? Or was that a rhetorical question? ;)

    The funny (if that's the word) thing is that Jews were highly overrepresented in tax farming and international trade in the Roman Empire. Some of them became quite influential and significantly affected Roman foreign policy (such as the disastrous Roman expeditions to the Arabian peninsula - today's Yemen - in order to conquer the massively lucrative frankincense-producing areas).

    , @SFG
    @Almost Missouri

    Oh, I'm sure a lot of it's Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it--assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show, and a little over half of those being white...that's still only about 16-20% Jewish. Not enough to explain a shift this big entirely, though I'm sure it's a big reason why, particularly in terms of culture and advocacy.

    (https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/racial-and-ethnic-composition/by/region/among/political-ideology/liberal/)

    AE could always break it down by religion, if he had that data.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Malla

  11. @Twinkie
    AE, you are pretty much the only one who seems to validate his thesis with the data on this topic.

    I've always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries. I think the data you present here is yet another evidence for that idea.

    One group of whites wants more foederati through increased intake of migrants. The other group of whites doesn't.

    One interesting question for me is this. Clearly those who want more migrants are in power now, so we will likely get more migrants. Most of those migrants won't be white and won't be white liberals. At some point, if at all, will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites whose views they do not share and go rogue? How long will they be bought off? Until one of their daughters get mauled by a trans in school soccer or molested in a unisex bathroom?

    Replies: @neutral, @Buzz Mohawk, @Almost Missouri, @iffen

    will the foederati tire of being cannon fodder for their elites

    Well, the Germanic tribes never tired of it and never thought about taking over the place.

  12. @oliver elkington
    In the UK white liberals tend to prefer having immigrants mainly because it keeps the proles away from the cities they are living in, if there is any type of person that liberals hate it is working class whites who they see as a threat to their privileged way of life. There are obviously also the benefits that immigrants bring to them like cheap tradesmen, nannies and delivery workers. If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123

    If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.

    Several commenters agree with you. I do not disagree, but Jews play a different rôle than white liberals do.

    [MORE]

    I do not know whether the United States would be careening toward Woke totalitarianism if the U.S. had no Jews. The question (which admittedly I asked, not you) is too speculative to answer. This world is a fallen world. Trouble is always on the horizon.

    However, white liberals are we ourselves. They are our own kin. They emerge from the collective psyche of our own people. We must deal with their leftist madness, whether we will or nill.

    Jews are another, alien case—alien not because we have excluded them but because, collectively, they have excluded themselves. I think that abstract questions of the individual versus the collective distract too many of us at this point, as if the individual and the collective did not both have real consequences. Too many Jews have conveniently shifted identity too many times, too rapidly, too fluidly, from the individual to the Jewish collective to the white collective to the imaginary nonwhite collective and back. A significant minority among Jews do not do this: this is acknowledged and it helps; but the circumstance is what it is.

    In contrast to the Jews, there exists no enduring collective of white liberals. They are we. They are among us and of us. They are dangerous because we are dangerous. It does us little good to loathe ourselves.

    Meanwhile, it is not mere white liberals that lead NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Comcast, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citi, Blackrock, the State Department, the Treasury, the Justice Department and so on. Given that Jews make up only 2 percent of the U.S. population, the fewness of counterexamples (Dartmouth, Chase, DoD, etc.) is striking.

    Two obviously decent Jews are associated with this blog, so one regrets mentioning the matter here in their company, but unfortunately the larger situation is what it is—and even decent Jews benefit from Jewish privilege as far as I can tell. The Jewish question has got to be asked.

    Not answered. Asked. If a thousand years of asking have found no answer to the Jewish question, then you and I shall find none now; but if Jews behave better when the misdeeds of their own people are noticed, then asking may be all that is required.

    • Replies: @oliver elkington
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I agree with you that Jews are overrepresented in certain fields and that is certainly true but then you could also argue that white liberals are also represented in those fields, i doubt that there are many sons of tractor drivers from Kentucky working in Wall street or Madison avenue or Hollywood. To see White liberals as ourselves pretty much misses the point that White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @Jay Fink
    @V. K. Ovelund

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn't exist life wouldn't be too different than it is now. Some other group would take their place.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Jews, especially liberal Jews, are outmarrying at astounding rates, approaching 50%, and their fertility is below replacement. How is this reconciled with the idea that 'the tribe' is out for the best interests of the tribe at the expense of everybody else?

    Replies: @dfordoom

  13. I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic bubbles. In their limited experience, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @beavertales

    White Liberals Drive Support for Open Immigration


    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using White Liberals or White Upper Middle Class Brat Snots or Evil White Boobs of whatever class or type as minions and flunkies and dupes and apparatchiks and White Core Americans must use the Immigration Issue as a battering ram to completely and totally destroy the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Kamala Harris was just recently sent a message from the House of Biden that she will be expendable at a moment's notice and the Biden people did this by suggesting that Kamala Harris grab hold of the Immigration Issue wedge issue and the House of Kamala replied 'no thank you' and don't try that again because the Immigration Issue is the issue that will separate the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and their politician whores such as Biden and Harris from the voters and from White Core Americans.

    I hereby call for the immediate arrest of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for the crime of aiding and abetting the illegal immigration invasion of the USA and I hereby state that Biden and Harris have illegally and treasonously provided the illegal alien invaders with jurisdictional safe harbors designed to attack and destroy the territorial integrity of the USA and the sovereignty of the USA.

    Arrest Joe Biden And Kamala Harris Immediately For Crimes Against The USA

    Once Biden and Harris have been arrested and prosecuted and found guilty and imprisoned I propose that we all drink copious amounts of cold delicious ale in celebration of a return to justice in the USA.

    This so-called "diversity" just means less White people or no White people.

    White Genocide is accelerating and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is pushing White Genocide in all the European Christian nations under its sway.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as a DEMOGRAPHIC WEAPON to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the American Empire.

    The central banker shysters are engaging in monetary extremism of a kind never before seen and it will end in the young White Christian Patriots of the USA refusing to pay any of the debts and the young White Christians shall nationalize the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and they shall use the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank to advance the interests of the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Monetary Extremism

    Debt

    Demography

    Immigration

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @beavertales

    Dear Mr Beavertales:

    I inadvertantly hit the REPLY on your comment when I sent my comment about Biden and Harris and the White Brat Snots and the Immigration Issue. My apologies.

    I do agree with your comment though.

    Mr Beavertales writes:


    I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic bubbles. In their limited experience, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

     


    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

     

    I say:

    There is an almost comical amount of Continuity Bias in the White Upper Middle Class Snot Brats and they seem to think the Federal Reserve Bank will be able to continue this monetary extremism madness forever without the regular people accurately perceiving the perniciousness and perfidy of the Fed enriching the plutocrats and the Upper Middle Class Snot Brats forever.

    Debt and Demography are the whole game and I am glad to see some other commenter focusing on it.

    Monetary Extremism and Mass immigration will one day very soon come back to bite the Ruling Class on their asses.

    It is a race to see how many voter cohorts the Ruling Class can buy off before the electronic money conjuring goes haywire.

    White government workers is an interesting cohort to watch.

  14. Where’s the surprise?

  15. Anonymous[288] • Disclaimer says:

    I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic backgrounds. In their liberal bubble, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

    They can have their ethnic restaurants and eat there too.

  16. @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    Several commenters agree with you. I do not disagree, but Jews play a different rôle than white liberals do.

    I do not know whether the United States would be careening toward Woke totalitarianism if the U.S. had no Jews. The question (which admittedly I asked, not you) is too speculative to answer. This world is a fallen world. Trouble is always on the horizon.

    However, white liberals are we ourselves. They are our own kin. They emerge from the collective psyche of our own people. We must deal with their leftist madness, whether we will or nill.

    Jews are another, alien case—alien not because we have excluded them but because, collectively, they have excluded themselves. I think that abstract questions of the individual versus the collective distract too many of us at this point, as if the individual and the collective did not both have real consequences. Too many Jews have conveniently shifted identity too many times, too rapidly, too fluidly, from the individual to the Jewish collective to the white collective to the imaginary nonwhite collective and back. A significant minority among Jews do not do this: this is acknowledged and it helps; but the circumstance is what it is.

    In contrast to the Jews, there exists no enduring collective of white liberals. They are we. They are among us and of us. They are dangerous because we are dangerous. It does us little good to loathe ourselves.

    Meanwhile, it is not mere white liberals that lead NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Comcast, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citi, Blackrock, the State Department, the Treasury, the Justice Department and so on. Given that Jews make up only 2 percent of the U.S. population, the fewness of counterexamples (Dartmouth, Chase, DoD, etc.) is striking.

    Two obviously decent Jews are associated with this blog, so one regrets mentioning the matter here in their company, but unfortunately the larger situation is what it is—and even decent Jews benefit from Jewish privilege as far as I can tell. The Jewish question has got to be asked.

    Not answered. Asked. If a thousand years of asking have found no answer to the Jewish question, then you and I shall find none now; but if Jews behave better when the misdeeds of their own people are noticed, then asking may be all that is required.

    Replies: @oliver elkington, @Jay Fink, @Audacious Epigone

    I agree with you that Jews are overrepresented in certain fields and that is certainly true but then you could also argue that white liberals are also represented in those fields, i doubt that there are many sons of tractor drivers from Kentucky working in Wall street or Madison avenue or Hollywood. To see White liberals as ourselves pretty much misses the point that White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    ... White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.
     
    This may be so. It was not much so in the United States during my generation, but perhaps things have changed.

    Replies: @oliver elkington

  17. @oliver elkington
    In the UK white liberals tend to prefer having immigrants mainly because it keeps the proles away from the cities they are living in, if there is any type of person that liberals hate it is working class whites who they see as a threat to their privileged way of life. There are obviously also the benefits that immigrants bring to them like cheap tradesmen, nannies and delivery workers. If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @A123

    Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.

    There is a huge logic problem with what you state.

    • How many Elite Jews are in senior government positions hundreds possibly thousands?
    • How many Elite Christians are in senior government positions thousands possibly tens of thousands?

    Now let us follow this to its logical outcome:
    — A small number of Elite Jews in government are causing the problem, therefore all Jews are guilty.

    Is it not then equally true?
    — A small number of Elite Christians in government are causing the problem, therefore all Christians are guilty.
    _______

    The issue is with Elite abuse of power. You can state that Jews are over represented, however it does not get you anywhere. The majority of U.S. Elites are (or claim to be) Christian.

    The only racist party in the U.S. is the DNC. If anti-Semitism is your #1 priority you can align yourself with racist Rashid Tlaib and racist Ilhan Omar. However, that racism will help the Elites that are the actual source of the problems.

    Your better option is to give up on racism.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Jay Fink
    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
    @A123


    The issue is with Elite abuse of power. You can state that Jews are over represented, however it does not get you anywhere.
     
    When (((you hasbara))) troll the Unz Report (((you))) surely realize (((you)))'re not fooling any regulars here.

    (((Your superiors))) clearly order (((you))) to spam this site in the hope of gaslighting newcomers.

    And what the hell, (((you))) get paid your US-taxpayer-funded shekels, so the joke's on the goyim anyway.

  18. As the Queen of Mean, Leona Helmsley, once said of about taxes, they are only for the little people and that is true about immigration too. With wealth you get to pick your neighbors and they are not going to be the dregs of the Third World.

    While there are, on occasion, feuds like that between Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page and his neighbor Take That’s Robbie Williams or bond billionaire Bill Gross playing the theme from Gilligan’s Island to annoy his equally rich neighbor they are pretty rare as they have alternative residences and lawyers to work out a settlement. People of lesser means have no choice if a family of savages speaking some incomprehensible language show up in the apartment next door.

    It happened to me in the late 1970’s. Mexicans began pouring into Marin County, California. I had lived by myself in a one bedroom apartment in a 20 unit building in San Rafael. Within a few months it was overrun with Mexican immigrants. To afford the rent, 4 or 5 adult men would share a one bedroom apartment. They took up all the parking with their $500 cars and quickly drove all the local white people out. If you wanted to stay in Marin County you had to be willing to pay a lot more in rent as the immigrants took over all the cheaper housing.

  19. America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Supply and Demand


    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.
     
    Maybe America needs more Latino immigration because whites are just too crazy in general.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Hengest
    @Supply and Demand

    Family disputes shouldn't be solved by bringing in outsiders. The family loses, even if one side gets momentary satisfaction.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Supply and Demand

    Golden Oldie that must be contended with.

  20. anon[293] • Disclaimer says:

    Given that the ongoing third world colonization of Leper Colony America is at a high level and has been for a long time, it’s not that surprising to see a majority of POX want the current high level sustained as is.

    The critical number is how many Paperwork-Americans want immigration *decreased*, because the other two options — increased and stay the same — guarantee the warlord-ization of the US. NonWhites know this, but they also know that more immigrants eat into their labor arbitrage, so they are sitting lumply at “stay the course” in an attempt to get the best of both worlds:

    More of them, but not so much at one time that their eses don’t crash the wage market.

    The only group with a majority that smartly and presciently wants immigration decreased are the White conservatives. Since they are outnumbered, democracy has failed them and a separation is coming, whether peaceful or vibrant.

  21. @beavertales
    I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic bubbles. In their limited experience, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Charles Pewitt

    White Liberals Drive Support for Open Immigration

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using White Liberals or White Upper Middle Class Brat Snots or Evil White Boobs of whatever class or type as minions and flunkies and dupes and apparatchiks and White Core Americans must use the Immigration Issue as a battering ram to completely and totally destroy the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Kamala Harris was just recently sent a message from the House of Biden that she will be expendable at a moment’s notice and the Biden people did this by suggesting that Kamala Harris grab hold of the Immigration Issue wedge issue and the House of Kamala replied ‘no thank you’ and don’t try that again because the Immigration Issue is the issue that will separate the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and their politician whores such as Biden and Harris from the voters and from White Core Americans.

    I hereby call for the immediate arrest of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for the crime of aiding and abetting the illegal immigration invasion of the USA and I hereby state that Biden and Harris have illegally and treasonously provided the illegal alien invaders with jurisdictional safe harbors designed to attack and destroy the territorial integrity of the USA and the sovereignty of the USA.

    Arrest Joe Biden And Kamala Harris Immediately For Crimes Against The USA

    Once Biden and Harris have been arrested and prosecuted and found guilty and imprisoned I propose that we all drink copious amounts of cold delicious ale in celebration of a return to justice in the USA.

    This so-called “diversity” just means less White people or no White people.

    White Genocide is accelerating and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is pushing White Genocide in all the European Christian nations under its sway.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as a DEMOGRAPHIC WEAPON to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the American Empire.

    The central banker shysters are engaging in monetary extremism of a kind never before seen and it will end in the young White Christian Patriots of the USA refusing to pay any of the debts and the young White Christians shall nationalize the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and they shall use the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank to advance the interests of the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Monetary Extremism

    Debt

    Demography

    Immigration

    • Thanks: oliver elkington
    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Charles Pewitt

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

  22. anon[293] • Disclaimer says:

    PS Reiterating your last point, there’s no doubt these questions, as worded, were misinterpreted by respondents to mean “level of immigration” rather than “residing immigrants”. Deportations are, for now, a minority opinion. (Personally I favor a rhetorical sleight of tongue with the phrasing “incentivized repatriations”.)

    White libs are the point of the POX invasion spear. There are ways to break this spell over Whitelibs, some fedposty some not. I favor a massive biodump in superzips after the police are sufficiently defunded and uninterested in taking flak for Whitelibs.

  23. White liberals drive the debate on pretty much everything. The Culture Wars of the past few decades have been all about white liberals seeking (successfully) to impose white liberal beliefs and values on everybody else. In fact, it’s been about imposing white American liberal beliefs and values on the entire planet.

    The Culture Wars have been white supremacism on steroids.

    • Agree: oliver elkington
  24. @beavertales
    I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic bubbles. In their limited experience, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt, @Charles Pewitt

    Dear Mr Beavertales:

    I inadvertantly hit the REPLY on your comment when I sent my comment about Biden and Harris and the White Brat Snots and the Immigration Issue. My apologies.

    I do agree with your comment though.

    Mr Beavertales writes:

    I suggest that white liberals who favor mass immigration always come from comfortable socio-economic bubbles. In their limited experience, they believe that all they have to do is get good grades and there will always be a prosperous future.

    They believe that the middle class, like the debt, is infinitely expandable.

    I say:

    There is an almost comical amount of Continuity Bias in the White Upper Middle Class Snot Brats and they seem to think the Federal Reserve Bank will be able to continue this monetary extremism madness forever without the regular people accurately perceiving the perniciousness and perfidy of the Fed enriching the plutocrats and the Upper Middle Class Snot Brats forever.

    Debt and Demography are the whole game and I am glad to see some other commenter focusing on it.

    Monetary Extremism and Mass immigration will one day very soon come back to bite the Ruling Class on their asses.

    It is a race to see how many voter cohorts the Ruling Class can buy off before the electronic money conjuring goes haywire.

    White government workers is an interesting cohort to watch.

  25. @Charles Pewitt
    @beavertales

    White Liberals Drive Support for Open Immigration


    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using White Liberals or White Upper Middle Class Brat Snots or Evil White Boobs of whatever class or type as minions and flunkies and dupes and apparatchiks and White Core Americans must use the Immigration Issue as a battering ram to completely and totally destroy the evil and treasonous JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

    Kamala Harris was just recently sent a message from the House of Biden that she will be expendable at a moment's notice and the Biden people did this by suggesting that Kamala Harris grab hold of the Immigration Issue wedge issue and the House of Kamala replied 'no thank you' and don't try that again because the Immigration Issue is the issue that will separate the JEW/WASP Ruling Class and their politician whores such as Biden and Harris from the voters and from White Core Americans.

    I hereby call for the immediate arrest of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden for the crime of aiding and abetting the illegal immigration invasion of the USA and I hereby state that Biden and Harris have illegally and treasonously provided the illegal alien invaders with jurisdictional safe harbors designed to attack and destroy the territorial integrity of the USA and the sovereignty of the USA.

    Arrest Joe Biden And Kamala Harris Immediately For Crimes Against The USA

    Once Biden and Harris have been arrested and prosecuted and found guilty and imprisoned I propose that we all drink copious amounts of cold delicious ale in celebration of a return to justice in the USA.

    This so-called "diversity" just means less White people or no White people.

    White Genocide is accelerating and the JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is pushing White Genocide in all the European Christian nations under its sway.

    The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as a DEMOGRAPHIC WEAPON to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the American Empire.

    The central banker shysters are engaging in monetary extremism of a kind never before seen and it will end in the young White Christian Patriots of the USA refusing to pay any of the debts and the young White Christians shall nationalize the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and they shall use the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank to advance the interests of the historic American nation and the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Monetary Extremism

    Debt

    Demography

    Immigration

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    @Supply and Demand

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    Now I've got that horrible and catchy Glenn Frey song You Belong To The City stuck in my mind.

    Good looking blonde in the video though and that one in the blouse in that Smuggler's Blues video who Glenn Frey told to "...be cool for twenty hours and I'll pay you twenty grand" looked pretty good too.

    Classically beautiful gals should be brought back into popular entertainment and taking control of the electronic propaganda is a must to make it happen.

    You belong in a re-education camp
    Solzhenitsyn book under your arm
    Living on cold oatmeal and water beneath the guard tower lights

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  26. @Supply and Demand
    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Hengest, @Audacious Epigone

    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.

    Maybe America needs more Latino immigration because whites are just too crazy in general.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom

    There is definitely place for English speaking, skilled, and practicing Christian immigrants. These immigrants would need to align to actual job shortages so they do not displace U.S. Citizens.

    The problem trying to fill this need with Latinos is many of them are Catholic. Given The IslamoPope's embrace of the Muslim invasion of Europe and his recent Hajj to Iraq, one has to believe that Catholics no longer qualify as Christian. Catholics are likely more dangerous to MAGA Populist values than U.S. liberals.

    PEACE 😇

  27. TG says:

    With respect, the terms “liberal” and “conservative” have been so debased as to be meaningless.

    Our current de-facto open borders immigration policy is a corporate-led enterprise designed with one over-riding purpose: to drive wages down and rents and profits up. That’s it. It used to be called far-right, back when “rightwing” had meaning. It’s not even fascist, at least not in the original meaning where the strength of the nation as a whole was important. It’s more totalitarian than anything else, it’s literally treating people as if they were cattle, and jamming in ever more of them to raise profits – the interests and views of the cattle be dammed. This policy is largely driven by the 600 or so billionaires that run the country, and they are not liberal, they are immoral.

    But why do so many white ‘liberals’ support open-borders immigration? Sure, many of these live in ‘bubbles’ where they are not apparently directly affected by mass immigration – but not really. Even many professionals, like college professors and engineers are being crushed. Most teaching in universities is now done by part-time faculty making hardly more than minimum wage and with no job security – and that was enabled by a flooding of the labor market by smart but desperate third-world refugees. But faculty do not dare speak of this…

    I think you need to keep in mind, that all those white ‘liberal’ professionals know that they are hanging on to their jobs and (what remains of) their privileges by their teeth. If they say the wrong thing they risk being instantly fired and blacklisted and doomed to a life of poverty. Academia is very much top-down nowadays, you toe the party line or else.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @A123
    @TG


    With respect, the terms “liberal” and “conservative” have been so debased as to be meaningless.
     
    I have previously made the point that Left and Right also fail. Current "left / liberals" are Corporate SJW Globalists. The cleanest shorthand for current U.S. politics is Globalists / Populists.

    MAGA Populism is an amalgam of beliefs that include valuing Christianity (Right/Conservative) and U.S. Workers (Left/Liberal). Corporate Establishment GOP(e) Swampies are Globalists that need to be routed from the Populist GOP.

    PEACE 😇

  28. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Twinkie

    Eventually the US will become like Brazil. So will the European countries, with their own, particular mix. That will be the new equilibrium, class-stratified and implicitly color-stratified or at least phenotype-stratified. (Simple color really never has been it, but rather a usually reliable corollary.)

    Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday

    That’s if we’re lucky. Brazil would represent a kind of “soft landing,” i.e. corruption, high levels of crime, inflation, periodic shortages of consumer goods, favelas, and a barely adequate infrastructure,
    but they muddle along somehow. Brazil does advantages that we don’t: a single language spoken by nearly all Brazilians, a common faith (Catholicism) even if it’s only casually observed, a reasonably uniform national culture, and AFAIK a media that is not overtly hostile to half or more of the country.

    If I had to guess I’d say we’re in for a much harder landing. Nobody has old scores to settle with Brazil, but there are plenty of countries that would relish the opportunity to take a poke at Uncle Sam when he’s down.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  29. @dfordoom
    @Supply and Demand


    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.
     
    Maybe America needs more Latino immigration because whites are just too crazy in general.

    Replies: @A123

    There is definitely place for English speaking, skilled, and practicing Christian immigrants. These immigrants would need to align to actual job shortages so they do not displace U.S. Citizens.

    The problem trying to fill this need with Latinos is many of them are Catholic. Given The IslamoPope’s embrace of the Muslim invasion of Europe and his recent Hajj to Iraq, one has to believe that Catholics no longer qualify as Christian. Catholics are likely more dangerous to MAGA Populist values than U.S. liberals.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
  30. @TG
    With respect, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" have been so debased as to be meaningless.

    Our current de-facto open borders immigration policy is a corporate-led enterprise designed with one over-riding purpose: to drive wages down and rents and profits up. That's it. It used to be called far-right, back when "rightwing" had meaning. It's not even fascist, at least not in the original meaning where the strength of the nation as a whole was important. It's more totalitarian than anything else, it's literally treating people as if they were cattle, and jamming in ever more of them to raise profits - the interests and views of the cattle be dammed. This policy is largely driven by the 600 or so billionaires that run the country, and they are not liberal, they are immoral.

    But why do so many white 'liberals' support open-borders immigration? Sure, many of these live in 'bubbles' where they are not apparently directly affected by mass immigration - but not really. Even many professionals, like college professors and engineers are being crushed. Most teaching in universities is now done by part-time faculty making hardly more than minimum wage and with no job security - and that was enabled by a flooding of the labor market by smart but desperate third-world refugees. But faculty do not dare speak of this...

    I think you need to keep in mind, that all those white 'liberal' professionals know that they are hanging on to their jobs and (what remains of) their privileges by their teeth. If they say the wrong thing they risk being instantly fired and blacklisted and doomed to a life of poverty. Academia is very much top-down nowadays, you toe the party line or else.

    Replies: @A123

    With respect, the terms “liberal” and “conservative” have been so debased as to be meaningless.

    I have previously made the point that Left and Right also fail. Current “left / liberals” are Corporate SJW Globalists. The cleanest shorthand for current U.S. politics is Globalists / Populists.

    MAGA Populism is an amalgam of beliefs that include valuing Christianity (Right/Conservative) and U.S. Workers (Left/Liberal). Corporate Establishment GOP(e) Swampies are Globalists that need to be routed from the Populist GOP.

    PEACE 😇

  31. Immigration begets support for more immigration, and immigrants to America tend to be on the political left

    Or maybe the recent immigrants are inherently more ethnocentric, and the political left only because it helps their people?

    Observant Catholic Harvard professor of mathematical biology and bugbear of Richard Dawkins, Martin Nowak, clamed he had established that WD Hamilton’s kin selection/inclusive fitness is not very useful for understanding the development of human societies. With a large grant from a philanthropist Nowak established a dedicated institute and spread his ideas. The late Professor Harpending said that Hamilton “sums up for each individual what he does to other people. The other way is to sum up what everyone else does to an individual”, the latter being Nowak’s method. I have Nowak’s book and he is very big on indirect reciprocity: the power of being seen to be kind and sharing with others, which wins one a good reputation and makes them more likely to spontaneously help one without prior interactions.

    Another Harvard Professor is Joseph Heinrich (Department of Human Evolutionary Biology) who has a theory about why Westerners are prioritize “impersonal pro-sociality over interpersonal relationships (inclinations to trust strangers or cooperating with anonymous others)”.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/10/joseph-henrich-weird-people/615496/

    By the 11th century, however, you couldn’t get engaged until you’d counted back seven generations, lest you marry a sixth cousin. The taboo against consanguineous family had expanded to include “spiritual kin,” who were, mostly, godparents. (It went without saying that you had to marry a Christian.) Pope Gregory and Augustine’s letters document a moment in a prolonged process—begun in the fourth century—in which the Church clamped down, and intermittently loosened up, on who could marry whom. Not until 1983 did Pope John Paul II allow second cousins to wed. [,,,] enrich’s most consequential—and startling—claim is that WEIRD and non-WEIRD people possess opposing cognitive styles. They think differently. Standing apart from the community, primed to break wholes into parts and classify them, Westerners are more analytical. People from kinship-intensive cultures, by comparison, tend to think more holistically. They focus on relationships rather than categories.

    According to Heinrich the (trusting) Western thinking style is “accompanied by tendencies toward self-enhancement and overconfidence”. Which comes before a fall. Nowak’s institute has been closed down, and he has been discipled, because the philanthropist who donated the money for it was non other than old Jeff Epstein, who Nowak allowed to have an office and security pass and continued to allow him to visit until 2018, when other researchers complained about his presence on campus.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  32. @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie


    I’ve always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries.
     
    That's also the classic Derbyshire view. And now that AE has empirically confirmed it, would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of "white people", and within that the sub-category of "liberals", and within that the sub-category of "immigration enthusiasts", might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?

    Whatever the answer to the previous question, I do think it is safe to say that every dire social trend seems to be driven by support from white liberals, or whatever sub-ethnicity.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @SFG

    would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of “white people”, and within that the sub-category of “liberals”, and within that the sub-category of “immigration enthusiasts”, might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?

    Are you asking if Jews are preponderantly represented in one of the two warring white factions? Or was that a rhetorical question? 😉

    The funny (if that’s the word) thing is that Jews were highly overrepresented in tax farming and international trade in the Roman Empire. Some of them became quite influential and significantly affected Roman foreign policy (such as the disastrous Roman expeditions to the Arabian peninsula – today’s Yemen – in order to conquer the massively lucrative frankincense-producing areas).

  33. @oliver elkington
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I agree with you that Jews are overrepresented in certain fields and that is certainly true but then you could also argue that white liberals are also represented in those fields, i doubt that there are many sons of tractor drivers from Kentucky working in Wall street or Madison avenue or Hollywood. To see White liberals as ourselves pretty much misses the point that White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    … White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.

    This may be so. It was not much so in the United States during my generation, but perhaps things have changed.

    • Replies: @oliver elkington
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Yep, a lot of people say that society is a lot less meritocratic now than it was before, private schools are popular not only because kids get to grow up in a largely White environment but also because of the useful contacts they provide later in life
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/25/britains-top-jobs-still-in-hands-of-private-school-elite-study-finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/25/britain-ruled-private-educated-people-culture-deference

  34. @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    ... White liberals are born into privilege generally and use connections to get privileged jobs while most prole whites from flyover country just simply do not have that advantaged life.
     
    This may be so. It was not much so in the United States during my generation, but perhaps things have changed.

    Replies: @oliver elkington

    Yep, a lot of people say that society is a lot less meritocratic now than it was before, private schools are popular not only because kids get to grow up in a largely White environment but also because of the useful contacts they provide later in life
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/25/britains-top-jobs-still-in-hands-of-private-school-elite-study-finds

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/25/britain-ruled-private-educated-people-culture-deference

  35. The “left” is composed of freaks, uglies and fatties.
    They don’t care about the invaders.

    They ignorantly see them as political power.
    Moar votes for their stupidity, they call “culture”.

    Its a mass suicide cult based on homosexuality, abortion and drugs.
    There is no rhyme or reason to the “left”.

    They are useful idiots for the Zion Pigs to utilize.
    They will be wiped out either way.

    Neither side actually needs these losers.
    They will be liquidated upon success of The Revolution…

  36. @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    Several commenters agree with you. I do not disagree, but Jews play a different rôle than white liberals do.

    I do not know whether the United States would be careening toward Woke totalitarianism if the U.S. had no Jews. The question (which admittedly I asked, not you) is too speculative to answer. This world is a fallen world. Trouble is always on the horizon.

    However, white liberals are we ourselves. They are our own kin. They emerge from the collective psyche of our own people. We must deal with their leftist madness, whether we will or nill.

    Jews are another, alien case—alien not because we have excluded them but because, collectively, they have excluded themselves. I think that abstract questions of the individual versus the collective distract too many of us at this point, as if the individual and the collective did not both have real consequences. Too many Jews have conveniently shifted identity too many times, too rapidly, too fluidly, from the individual to the Jewish collective to the white collective to the imaginary nonwhite collective and back. A significant minority among Jews do not do this: this is acknowledged and it helps; but the circumstance is what it is.

    In contrast to the Jews, there exists no enduring collective of white liberals. They are we. They are among us and of us. They are dangerous because we are dangerous. It does us little good to loathe ourselves.

    Meanwhile, it is not mere white liberals that lead NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Comcast, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citi, Blackrock, the State Department, the Treasury, the Justice Department and so on. Given that Jews make up only 2 percent of the U.S. population, the fewness of counterexamples (Dartmouth, Chase, DoD, etc.) is striking.

    Two obviously decent Jews are associated with this blog, so one regrets mentioning the matter here in their company, but unfortunately the larger situation is what it is—and even decent Jews benefit from Jewish privilege as far as I can tell. The Jewish question has got to be asked.

    Not answered. Asked. If a thousand years of asking have found no answer to the Jewish question, then you and I shall find none now; but if Jews behave better when the misdeeds of their own people are noticed, then asking may be all that is required.

    Replies: @oliver elkington, @Jay Fink, @Audacious Epigone

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn’t exist life wouldn’t be too different than it is now. Some other group would take their place.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Jay Fink


    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn’t exist life wouldn’t be too different than it is now.
     
    You and I have no individual dispute as far as I am concerned. My guess is that life would indeed be different than it is now. However, ...

    Some other group would take their place.
     
    ... even if life were different, life would not necessarily be better. You have a point.

    The sans-Jewish proposition seems too deeply counterfactual to evaluate in any case.

    Meanwhile, one seeks a return to a decent settlement—or decent balance and consequent abeyance of strife, if you prefer—such as Americans had as recently as the Kennedy era. I preferred J. Edgar Hoover's America, and I preferred J. Edgar Hoover's position regarding Jews. The settlement cannot be negotiated verbally, for your people's ability to turn verbal negotiation to unfair advantage is awesome (and I don't think that your people fundamentally see the process and purpose of negotiation the way mine do, anyway), but the settlement can be negotiated in feats and counterfeats, as it always has been before.

    , @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers
     
    Come on now. It’s not about population numbers. The Jerusalem Post once boasted that Jewish donations accounted for 50% of the money given to the Democratic Party and 25% to the Republican Party in the U.S.

    That’s an incredible amount of influence. And it’s not just money.

    Presidents of all Ivies but one are Jews despite the fact that Jews are less than 2% of the population. They are also 10% of the senators. I can go on and on about pols, journalists, judges, billionaires, ad nauseam.

    We can certainly debate over how positive, negative, or benign their influence is in the U.S., but one thing that is undeniable is that Jews exercise an enormously outsized influence over the society despite their very tiny population.
  37. @Supply and Demand
    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Hengest, @Audacious Epigone

    Family disputes shouldn’t be solved by bringing in outsiders. The family loses, even if one side gets momentary satisfaction.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Hengest


    Family disputes shouldn’t be solved by bringing in outsiders.
     
    That sentiment works only if the disputants see each other as family.
  38. @Jay Fink
    @V. K. Ovelund

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn't exist life wouldn't be too different than it is now. Some other group would take their place.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn’t exist life wouldn’t be too different than it is now.

    You and I have no individual dispute as far as I am concerned. My guess is that life would indeed be different than it is now. However, …

    Some other group would take their place.

    … even if life were different, life would not necessarily be better. You have a point.

    The sans-Jewish proposition seems too deeply counterfactual to evaluate in any case.

    [MORE]

    Meanwhile, one seeks a return to a decent settlement—or decent balance and consequent abeyance of strife, if you prefer—such as Americans had as recently as the Kennedy era. I preferred J. Edgar Hoover’s America, and I preferred J. Edgar Hoover’s position regarding Jews. The settlement cannot be negotiated verbally, for your people’s ability to turn verbal negotiation to unfair advantage is awesome (and I don’t think that your people fundamentally see the process and purpose of negotiation the way mine do, anyway), but the settlement can be negotiated in feats and counterfeats, as it always has been before.

  39. SFG says:
    @Almost Missouri
    @Twinkie


    I’ve always held that the current Kulturkampf is not about white vs. nonwhite, but rather a white people civil war with various nonwhites serving as emblems, totems, and auxiliaries.
     
    That's also the classic Derbyshire view. And now that AE has empirically confirmed it, would it be improper to raise the question that if this political result is driven by the sub-category of "white people", and within that the sub-category of "liberals", and within that the sub-category of "immigration enthusiasts", might this triple sub-category have a vast over-representation of any sub-ethnicity?

    Whatever the answer to the previous question, I do think it is safe to say that every dire social trend seems to be driven by support from white liberals, or whatever sub-ethnicity.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @SFG

    Oh, I’m sure a lot of it’s Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it–assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show, and a little over half of those being white…that’s still only about 16-20% Jewish. Not enough to explain a shift this big entirely, though I’m sure it’s a big reason why, particularly in terms of culture and advocacy.

    (https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/racial-and-ethnic-composition/by/region/among/political-ideology/liberal/)

    AE could always break it down by religion, if he had that data.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @SFG


    Oh, I’m sure a lot of it’s Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it
     
    Agreed. I’m not one to blame the Jews for every ill in this country and, in fact, have shown that some of these negative trends are also occurring in countries with virtually no Jews (Taiwan and homosexual “marriage,” etc.).

    However, it’s also true that Jews don’t have to be the majority among liberal whites to dominate and set course for the liberal agenda in the U.S. All they have to do is be “taste-makers.” When you dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media, it’s not difficult at all to dictate the cultural and ideological direction of those who seek approval in those media.

    People often marvel at Jews for money-making skills and they are indeed impressive. But what really amazes me even more is how adept Jews have been historically in exploiting the media and fashioning pop culture (which requires a very high degree of sensitivity toward emotions of others and understanding of human nature). As a people they have no peer in the world in that capability. Impressive doesn’t begin to capture this achievement.*

    *East Asians are sometimes compared to Jews (“Chinese are the Jews of Asia”), but East Asians are almost polar opposites in this regard, with weaker verbal IQ and much stronger visuospatial IQ. It’s like lawyers vs. engineers, to be simplistic.
    , @Malla
    @SFG


    Oh, I’m sure a lot of it’s Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it–assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show
     
    Jewish command over the media and high influence in academia, creates hardcore White libtards. A small number of Jews with power to brainwash from childhood and over generations, can convert a lot of whites into suicidal libtards.
  40. @Jay Fink
    @V. K. Ovelund

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers that if we didn't exist life wouldn't be too different than it is now. Some other group would take their place.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Twinkie

    My guess is Jews are such a small group in raw numbers

    Come on now. It’s not about population numbers. The Jerusalem Post once boasted that Jewish donations accounted for 50% of the money given to the Democratic Party and 25% to the Republican Party in the U.S.

    That’s an incredible amount of influence. And it’s not just money.

    Presidents of all Ivies but one are Jews despite the fact that Jews are less than 2% of the population. They are also 10% of the senators. I can go on and on about pols, journalists, judges, billionaires, ad nauseam.

    We can certainly debate over how positive, negative, or benign their influence is in the U.S., but one thing that is undeniable is that Jews exercise an enormously outsized influence over the society despite their very tiny population.

    • Agree: usNthem, iffen
    • Thanks: Pat Kittle
  41. @Hengest
    @Supply and Demand

    Family disputes shouldn't be solved by bringing in outsiders. The family loses, even if one side gets momentary satisfaction.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Family disputes shouldn’t be solved by bringing in outsiders.

    That sentiment works only if the disputants see each other as family.

  42. @A123
    @oliver elkington


    Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    There is a huge logic problem with what you state.

    • How many Elite Jews are in senior government positions hundreds possibly thousands?
    • How many Elite Christians are in senior government positions thousands possibly tens of thousands?

    Now let us follow this to its logical outcome:
    -- A small number of Elite Jews in government are causing the problem, therefore all Jews are guilty.

    Is it not then equally true?
    -- A small number of Elite Christians in government are causing the problem, therefore all Christians are guilty.
    _______

    The issue is with Elite abuse of power. You can state that Jews are over represented, however it does not get you anywhere. The majority of U.S. Elites are (or claim to be) Christian.

    The only racist party in the U.S. is the DNC. If anti-Semitism is your #1 priority you can align yourself with racist Rashid Tlaib and racist Ilhan Omar. However, that racism will help the Elites that are the actual source of the problems.

    Your better option is to give up on racism.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Pat Kittle

    The issue is with Elite abuse of power. You can state that Jews are over represented, however it does not get you anywhere.

    When (((you hasbara))) troll the Unz Report (((you))) surely realize (((you)))’re not fooling any regulars here.

    (((Your superiors))) clearly order (((you))) to spam this site in the hope of gaslighting newcomers.

    And what the hell, (((you))) get paid your US-taxpayer-funded shekels, so the joke’s on the goyim anyway.

  43. @SFG
    @Almost Missouri

    Oh, I'm sure a lot of it's Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it--assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show, and a little over half of those being white...that's still only about 16-20% Jewish. Not enough to explain a shift this big entirely, though I'm sure it's a big reason why, particularly in terms of culture and advocacy.

    (https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/racial-and-ethnic-composition/by/region/among/political-ideology/liberal/)

    AE could always break it down by religion, if he had that data.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Malla

    Oh, I’m sure a lot of it’s Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it

    Agreed. I’m not one to blame the Jews for every ill in this country and, in fact, have shown that some of these negative trends are also occurring in countries with virtually no Jews (Taiwan and homosexual “marriage,” etc.).

    However, it’s also true that Jews don’t have to be the majority among liberal whites to dominate and set course for the liberal agenda in the U.S. All they have to do is be “taste-makers.” When you dominate Hollywood and the mainstream media, it’s not difficult at all to dictate the cultural and ideological direction of those who seek approval in those media.

    People often marvel at Jews for money-making skills and they are indeed impressive. But what really amazes me even more is how adept Jews have been historically in exploiting the media and fashioning pop culture (which requires a very high degree of sensitivity toward emotions of others and understanding of human nature). As a people they have no peer in the world in that capability. Impressive doesn’t begin to capture this achievement.*

    *East Asians are sometimes compared to Jews (“Chinese are the Jews of Asia”), but East Asians are almost polar opposites in this regard, with weaker verbal IQ and much stronger visuospatial IQ. It’s like lawyers vs. engineers, to be simplistic.

  44. @SFG
    @Almost Missouri

    Oh, I'm sure a lot of it's Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it--assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show, and a little over half of those being white...that's still only about 16-20% Jewish. Not enough to explain a shift this big entirely, though I'm sure it's a big reason why, particularly in terms of culture and advocacy.

    (https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/compare/racial-and-ethnic-composition/by/region/among/political-ideology/liberal/)

    AE could always break it down by religion, if he had that data.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Malla

    Oh, I’m sure a lot of it’s Jews. But there are way too many white liberals for that to be *just* it–assuming liberals at about a fourth to a fifth of the population as most studies show

    Jewish command over the media and high influence in academia, creates hardcore White libtards. A small number of Jews with power to brainwash from childhood and over generations, can convert a lot of whites into suicidal libtards.

  45. @Supply and Demand
    @Charles Pewitt

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    Now I’ve got that horrible and catchy Glenn Frey song You Belong To The City stuck in my mind.

    Good looking blonde in the video though and that one in the blouse in that Smuggler’s Blues video who Glenn Frey told to “…be cool for twenty hours and I’ll pay you twenty grand” looked pretty good too.

    Classically beautiful gals should be brought back into popular entertainment and taking control of the electronic propaganda is a must to make it happen.

    You belong in a re-education camp
    Solzhenitsyn book under your arm
    Living on cold oatmeal and water beneath the guard tower lights

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Charles Pewitt


    Classically beautiful gals should be brought back into popular entertainment....
     
    No, classically beautiful gals should be married, at home, and conceiving the next generation.
  46. @Charles Pewitt
    @Supply and Demand

    You belong in a re-education camp, Chuck. Wowza.

    Now I've got that horrible and catchy Glenn Frey song You Belong To The City stuck in my mind.

    Good looking blonde in the video though and that one in the blouse in that Smuggler's Blues video who Glenn Frey told to "...be cool for twenty hours and I'll pay you twenty grand" looked pretty good too.

    Classically beautiful gals should be brought back into popular entertainment and taking control of the electronic propaganda is a must to make it happen.

    You belong in a re-education camp
    Solzhenitsyn book under your arm
    Living on cold oatmeal and water beneath the guard tower lights

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Classically beautiful gals should be brought back into popular entertainment….

    No, classically beautiful gals should be married, at home, and conceiving the next generation.

  47. S says:

    Unfortunately, at the time of the founding of the United States in 1776, large and powerful segments of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, North and South, had been corrupted by chattel slavery and its trade, at the very great expense of the majority of their own largely non-slaveholding A-S people.

    While slave ownership and dealing existed throughout the colonies, due to climatic conditions, the North tended to have the concentration of slave dealers, while the South had the bulk of the slave purchasers.

    A system was therefore in place at the founding where the labor of aliens (who were being imported in by diktat) was being systematically stolen by slave owners via purchasing these unfortunates, or, being provided as a service by others thru slave dealing. The long term physical, cultural, and economic well being of both the slave owner and slave dealers own A-S people, as well as ultimately their own individual selves as purchasers and dealers, was very unwisely given short shrift.

    As chattel slavery and its trade (despite propaganda stating otherwise) was in reality monetized, and not abolished as we are told, ie it was in reality distilled down to it’s financial essence whilst profits were maximized, via the late 18th and early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, we still have this same horrid template in place today.

    The systematic theft of the individual’s labor was most efficiently accomplished via their pay, their wages, and hence the term wage slavery, as opposed to inefficiently physically owning the person as cumbersome property, ie chattel, and hence the term chattel slavery.

    The US Civil War was simply the violent outward clash of these two manifestations of slavery, chattel and wage, as seen in micro-cosm just prior to the war in Bleeding Kansas, when gorilla armies, privately financed by wage slave promoting Northern industrialists and chattel slave pushing Southern plantation owners, had fought for control of the territory.*

    Simultaneously, the US Civil itself was an artifact of a much larger late 18th and early 19th century push led by the British Empire to monetize chattel slavery and its trade under cover of ‘abolitionism’, first in the Anglosphere countries, and then the rest of the globe, via the introduction of wage slavery (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system).

    From a financial point of view in the new wage slave arrangement, the ‘immigrant’ is the slave for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local costs of labor, without the immigration taking place, or the immigrant(s) being present. [True, the ‘immigrant’ can quit at any time, but the hirer can just hire another ‘immigrant’ at far below prevailing real time local labor rates, it not being called mass immigration for nothing.]

    All past negative costs and hassles that both the former slave dealer (now labor contractor and promoter of mass immigration) and slave purchaser (now hirer on of so called ‘cheap labor’/’immigrants’) had had to take on with chattel slavery and its trade has been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the non-exploiting general public to bear, while they keep the value of the stolen labor for themselves or profit from providing the same to others as a service.

    Wage slavery, as expressed by the ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, is the economic and political basis of the so called ‘progressive’ Multi-Cultural society, and closely parallels in many ways the chattel slave holding society it evolved from. Due to the shear volume of the predation involved, they are systematically stealing far vaster amounts of labor today with the ‘just in time’ low overhead wage slavery system than they ever did with costly and cumbersome chattel slavery.

    The only brief reprieve from this was that almost miraculously achieved between roughly 1925 and 1965, when ‘immigration’ was vastly curtailed and controls put in place. At minimum those controls should have been retained.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity as well. When violence became inevitable in the Spring of 1861, the guns rather than being turned upon each other, should of have been turned upon the chattel slave holders in the South and the corresponding same ilk in the North promoting wage slavery, ie hirers on of so called ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’, and, or promoters of ‘mass immigration’, both parties driven by the same self centered greedy desire to do anything, but anything, than pay the prevailing real time local rates of labor to, more often than not, their very own people. Most of these persons, I’m convinced, would readily of surrendered had they been so confronted, and felt…relieved.

    That’s a war, probably a pretty short one, that a non-slave holder and honorable man, such as Robert E Lee, could have led the American people to fight with gusto once the situation had been explained to him. Once concluded, a true abolition of slavery, both chattel and wage, could of been enacted, much unlike the fraudulent one we were left with in 1865, and still suffer under to this very day.

    Below is a fringe benefit of wage slavery for historically slavery corrupted elites. Besides making a pretty penny from the value of the labor they are systematically stealing from them, the ‘immigrants’ also make for a powerful divide and conquer, divide and rule weapon, for amoral leadership. Remember how they were so used against the non-exploiting Anglo-Saxon public in the 1850’s when the ‘Nativists’ and so called ‘Know-Nothings’ had the temerity to simply try to preserve themselves?

    Recall how today they are used against a broader Euro population who dare to resist?

    ‘..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    * See Henry Seward’s historic March 3, 1858 speech to the US Senate, entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’, where he outlines the history from the US founding to the then present of the North and South’s two clashing systems of labor, calling it a multi-generational ‘dynastical’ struggle, where all the the past compromises had broken down.

    • Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read
    @S

    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.

    Wake up to what's really happening.

    Replies: @S

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @S

    Indeed, the same arguments made against slavery can be made against cheap immigrant labor.

  48. @S
    Unfortunately, at the time of the founding of the United States in 1776, large and powerful segments of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, North and South, had been corrupted by chattel slavery and its trade, at the very great expense of the majority of their own largely non-slaveholding A-S people.

    While slave ownership and dealing existed throughout the colonies, due to climatic conditions, the North tended to have the concentration of slave dealers, while the South had the bulk of the slave purchasers.

    A system was therefore in place at the founding where the labor of aliens (who were being imported in by diktat) was being systematically stolen by slave owners via purchasing these unfortunates, or, being provided as a service by others thru slave dealing. The long term physical, cultural, and economic well being of both the slave owner and slave dealers own A-S people, as well as ultimately their own individual selves as purchasers and dealers, was very unwisely given short shrift.

    As chattel slavery and its trade (despite propaganda stating otherwise) was in reality monetized, and not abolished as we are told, ie it was in reality distilled down to it’s financial essence whilst profits were maximized, via the late 18th and early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, we still have this same horrid template in place today.

    The systematic theft of the individual’s labor was most efficiently accomplished via their pay, their wages, and hence the term wage slavery, as opposed to inefficiently physically owning the person as cumbersome property, ie chattel, and hence the term chattel slavery.

    The US Civil War was simply the violent outward clash of these two manifestations of slavery, chattel and wage, as seen in micro-cosm just prior to the war in Bleeding Kansas, when gorilla armies, privately financed by wage slave promoting Northern industrialists and chattel slave pushing Southern plantation owners, had fought for control of the territory.*

    Simultaneously, the US Civil itself was an artifact of a much larger late 18th and early 19th century push led by the British Empire to monetize chattel slavery and its trade under cover of ‘abolitionism’, first in the Anglosphere countries, and then the rest of the globe, via the introduction of wage slavery (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system).

    From a financial point of view in the new wage slave arrangement, the ‘immigrant’ is the slave for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local costs of labor, without the immigration taking place, or the immigrant(s) being present. [True, the ‘immigrant’ can quit at any time, but the hirer can just hire another ‘immigrant’ at far below prevailing real time local labor rates, it not being called mass immigration for nothing.]

    All past negative costs and hassles that both the former slave dealer (now labor contractor and promoter of mass immigration) and slave purchaser (now hirer on of so called ‘cheap labor’/’immigrants’) had had to take on with chattel slavery and its trade has been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the non-exploiting general public to bear, while they keep the value of the stolen labor for themselves or profit from providing the same to others as a service.

    Wage slavery, as expressed by the ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, is the economic and political basis of the so called ‘progressive’ Multi-Cultural society, and closely parallels in many ways the chattel slave holding society it evolved from. Due to the shear volume of the predation involved, they are systematically stealing far vaster amounts of labor today with the ‘just in time’ low overhead wage slavery system than they ever did with costly and cumbersome chattel slavery.

    The only brief reprieve from this was that almost miraculously achieved between roughly 1925 and 1965, when ‘immigration’ was vastly curtailed and controls put in place. At minimum those controls should have been retained.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity as well. When violence became inevitable in the Spring of 1861, the guns rather than being turned upon each other, should of have been turned upon the chattel slave holders in the South and the corresponding same ilk in the North promoting wage slavery, ie hirers on of so called ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’, and, or promoters of ‘mass immigration’, both parties driven by the same self centered greedy desire to do anything, but anything, than pay the prevailing real time local rates of labor to, more often than not, their very own people. Most of these persons, I’m convinced, would readily of surrendered had they been so confronted, and felt…relieved.

    That’s a war, probably a pretty short one, that a non-slave holder and honorable man, such as Robert E Lee, could have led the American people to fight with gusto once the situation had been explained to him. Once concluded, a true abolition of slavery, both chattel and wage, could of been enacted, much unlike the fraudulent one we were left with in 1865, and still suffer under to this very day.

    Below is a fringe benefit of wage slavery for historically slavery corrupted elites. Besides making a pretty penny from the value of the labor they are systematically stealing from them, the ‘immigrants’ also make for a powerful divide and conquer, divide and rule weapon, for amoral leadership. Remember how they were so used against the non-exploiting Anglo-Saxon public in the 1850’s when the ‘Nativists’ and so called ‘Know-Nothings’ had the temerity to simply try to preserve themselves?

    Recall how today they are used against a broader Euro population who dare to resist?

    '..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’
     
    * See Henry Seward’s historic March 3, 1858 speech to the US Senate, entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’, where he outlines the history from the US founding to the then present of the North and South’s two clashing systems of labor, calling it a multi-generational ‘dynastical’ struggle, where all the the past compromises had broken down.

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read, @Audacious Epigone

    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.

    Wake up to what’s really happening.

    • Replies: @S
    @Too Long Didn't Read


    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.
     
    I agree. However, what I wrote wasn't aimed at the so called 'woke', which I see as something like cultists.

    Wake up to what’s really happening.
     
    Well, in that specific sense I'm already quite 'awoke', thank you! [pun intended ;-)]

    Replies: @anon

  49. S says:
    @Too Long Didn't Read
    @S

    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.

    Wake up to what's really happening.

    Replies: @S

    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.

    I agree. However, what I wrote wasn’t aimed at the so called ‘woke’, which I see as something like cultists.

    Wake up to what’s really happening.

    Well, in that specific sense I’m already quite ‘awoke’, thank you! [pun intended ;-)]

    • Replies: @anon
    @S

    However, what I wrote wasn’t aimed at the so called ‘woke’,

    At whom was it aimed?

    Replies: @S

  50. @S
    @Too Long Didn't Read


    The Wokels do not care. Anything before the current Year Zero is pure racist evil.

    Endless, tiresome recitations are useless against people of pure emotion.
     
    I agree. However, what I wrote wasn't aimed at the so called 'woke', which I see as something like cultists.

    Wake up to what’s really happening.
     
    Well, in that specific sense I'm already quite 'awoke', thank you! [pun intended ;-)]

    Replies: @anon

    However, what I wrote wasn’t aimed at the so called ‘woke’,

    At whom was it aimed?

    • Replies: @S
    @anon

    Since you ask, it was aimed at everyone else, the non-woke.

    Its been said that a person with a good moral cause is worth three of a person with a poor moral cause. Those who have been saying no to the so called 'cheap labor'/'mass immigration' system need as much moral shoring up as possible, though simple self preservation should always be the moral foundation imo.

  51. S says:
    @anon
    @S

    However, what I wrote wasn’t aimed at the so called ‘woke’,

    At whom was it aimed?

    Replies: @S

    Since you ask, it was aimed at everyone else, the non-woke.

    Its been said that a person with a good moral cause is worth three of a person with a poor moral cause. Those who have been saying no to the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system need as much moral shoring up as possible, though simple self preservation should always be the moral foundation imo.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  52. @anonymous
    How to get access to the GSS?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  53. @V. K. Ovelund
    @oliver elkington


    If there is anyone that we should be speaking out against on here it is the white liberal, they are far more numerous than Jews but still fill the media, fill our government and fill our major cities, they are a major problem.
     
    Several commenters agree with you. I do not disagree, but Jews play a different rôle than white liberals do.

    I do not know whether the United States would be careening toward Woke totalitarianism if the U.S. had no Jews. The question (which admittedly I asked, not you) is too speculative to answer. This world is a fallen world. Trouble is always on the horizon.

    However, white liberals are we ourselves. They are our own kin. They emerge from the collective psyche of our own people. We must deal with their leftist madness, whether we will or nill.

    Jews are another, alien case—alien not because we have excluded them but because, collectively, they have excluded themselves. I think that abstract questions of the individual versus the collective distract too many of us at this point, as if the individual and the collective did not both have real consequences. Too many Jews have conveniently shifted identity too many times, too rapidly, too fluidly, from the individual to the Jewish collective to the white collective to the imaginary nonwhite collective and back. A significant minority among Jews do not do this: this is acknowledged and it helps; but the circumstance is what it is.

    In contrast to the Jews, there exists no enduring collective of white liberals. They are we. They are among us and of us. They are dangerous because we are dangerous. It does us little good to loathe ourselves.

    Meanwhile, it is not mere white liberals that lead NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Comcast, Facebook, Goldman Sachs, Citi, Blackrock, the State Department, the Treasury, the Justice Department and so on. Given that Jews make up only 2 percent of the U.S. population, the fewness of counterexamples (Dartmouth, Chase, DoD, etc.) is striking.

    Two obviously decent Jews are associated with this blog, so one regrets mentioning the matter here in their company, but unfortunately the larger situation is what it is—and even decent Jews benefit from Jewish privilege as far as I can tell. The Jewish question has got to be asked.

    Not answered. Asked. If a thousand years of asking have found no answer to the Jewish question, then you and I shall find none now; but if Jews behave better when the misdeeds of their own people are noticed, then asking may be all that is required.

    Replies: @oliver elkington, @Jay Fink, @Audacious Epigone

    Jews, especially liberal Jews, are outmarrying at astounding rates, approaching 50%, and their fertility is below replacement. How is this reconciled with the idea that ‘the tribe’ is out for the best interests of the tribe at the expense of everybody else?

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    @Audacious Epigone


    Jews, especially liberal Jews, are outmarrying at astounding rates, approaching 50%, and their fertility is below replacement. How is this reconciled with the idea that ‘the tribe’ is out for the best interests of the tribe at the expense of everybody else?
     
    Yep. The theory that Jews are engaging in a conspiracy to advance Jewish interests at the expense of everybody else just doesn't hold water. In countries like the US Jews are in many ways the biggest losers. They're losing their identity. They've lost their religious identity. They're being devastated by ideologies like feminism and the LGBT agenda and Wokeism to an even greater extent than white gentiles.

    Noe-liberal globalism threatens the very existence of Jews outside Israel as a distinctive cultural/religious/ethnic group. In the long run it's likely to threaten the existence of Israel as a distinctively Jewish state.

    If it's a Jewish conspiracy it's a suicidal conspiracy.
  54. @Supply and Demand
    America needs more Latino immigration because White Protestants are too pro-Israel. Change my mind.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Hengest, @Audacious Epigone

    Golden Oldie that must be contended with.

  55. @Audacious Epigone
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Jews, especially liberal Jews, are outmarrying at astounding rates, approaching 50%, and their fertility is below replacement. How is this reconciled with the idea that 'the tribe' is out for the best interests of the tribe at the expense of everybody else?

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    Jews, especially liberal Jews, are outmarrying at astounding rates, approaching 50%, and their fertility is below replacement. How is this reconciled with the idea that ‘the tribe’ is out for the best interests of the tribe at the expense of everybody else?

    Yep. The theory that Jews are engaging in a conspiracy to advance Jewish interests at the expense of everybody else just doesn’t hold water. In countries like the US Jews are in many ways the biggest losers. They’re losing their identity. They’ve lost their religious identity. They’re being devastated by ideologies like feminism and the LGBT agenda and Wokeism to an even greater extent than white gentiles.

    Noe-liberal globalism threatens the very existence of Jews outside Israel as a distinctive cultural/religious/ethnic group. In the long run it’s likely to threaten the existence of Israel as a distinctively Jewish state.

    If it’s a Jewish conspiracy it’s a suicidal conspiracy.

  56. @S
    Unfortunately, at the time of the founding of the United States in 1776, large and powerful segments of the Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on, North and South, had been corrupted by chattel slavery and its trade, at the very great expense of the majority of their own largely non-slaveholding A-S people.

    While slave ownership and dealing existed throughout the colonies, due to climatic conditions, the North tended to have the concentration of slave dealers, while the South had the bulk of the slave purchasers.

    A system was therefore in place at the founding where the labor of aliens (who were being imported in by diktat) was being systematically stolen by slave owners via purchasing these unfortunates, or, being provided as a service by others thru slave dealing. The long term physical, cultural, and economic well being of both the slave owner and slave dealers own A-S people, as well as ultimately their own individual selves as purchasers and dealers, was very unwisely given short shrift.

    As chattel slavery and its trade (despite propaganda stating otherwise) was in reality monetized, and not abolished as we are told, ie it was in reality distilled down to it’s financial essence whilst profits were maximized, via the late 18th and early 19th century introduction of wage slavery, specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, we still have this same horrid template in place today.

    The systematic theft of the individual’s labor was most efficiently accomplished via their pay, their wages, and hence the term wage slavery, as opposed to inefficiently physically owning the person as cumbersome property, ie chattel, and hence the term chattel slavery.

    The US Civil War was simply the violent outward clash of these two manifestations of slavery, chattel and wage, as seen in micro-cosm just prior to the war in Bleeding Kansas, when gorilla armies, privately financed by wage slave promoting Northern industrialists and chattel slave pushing Southern plantation owners, had fought for control of the territory.*

    Simultaneously, the US Civil itself was an artifact of a much larger late 18th and early 19th century push led by the British Empire to monetize chattel slavery and its trade under cover of ‘abolitionism’, first in the Anglosphere countries, and then the rest of the globe, via the introduction of wage slavery (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system).

    From a financial point of view in the new wage slave arrangement, the ‘immigrant’ is the slave for whatever period of time (days, weeks, months, years) he or she is paid significantly below what was, or, what would of been, the prevailing real time local costs of labor, without the immigration taking place, or the immigrant(s) being present. [True, the ‘immigrant’ can quit at any time, but the hirer can just hire another ‘immigrant’ at far below prevailing real time local labor rates, it not being called mass immigration for nothing.]

    All past negative costs and hassles that both the former slave dealer (now labor contractor and promoter of mass immigration) and slave purchaser (now hirer on of so called ‘cheap labor’/’immigrants’) had had to take on with chattel slavery and its trade has been safely outsourced (ie dumped upon) the non-exploiting general public to bear, while they keep the value of the stolen labor for themselves or profit from providing the same to others as a service.

    Wage slavery, as expressed by the ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, is the economic and political basis of the so called ‘progressive’ Multi-Cultural society, and closely parallels in many ways the chattel slave holding society it evolved from. Due to the shear volume of the predation involved, they are systematically stealing far vaster amounts of labor today with the ‘just in time’ low overhead wage slavery system than they ever did with costly and cumbersome chattel slavery.

    The only brief reprieve from this was that almost miraculously achieved between roughly 1925 and 1965, when ‘immigration’ was vastly curtailed and controls put in place. At minimum those controls should have been retained.

    The US Civil War was a major missed opportunity as well. When violence became inevitable in the Spring of 1861, the guns rather than being turned upon each other, should of have been turned upon the chattel slave holders in the South and the corresponding same ilk in the North promoting wage slavery, ie hirers on of so called ‘cheap labor’ ‘immigrants’, and, or promoters of ‘mass immigration’, both parties driven by the same self centered greedy desire to do anything, but anything, than pay the prevailing real time local rates of labor to, more often than not, their very own people. Most of these persons, I’m convinced, would readily of surrendered had they been so confronted, and felt…relieved.

    That’s a war, probably a pretty short one, that a non-slave holder and honorable man, such as Robert E Lee, could have led the American people to fight with gusto once the situation had been explained to him. Once concluded, a true abolition of slavery, both chattel and wage, could of been enacted, much unlike the fraudulent one we were left with in 1865, and still suffer under to this very day.

    Below is a fringe benefit of wage slavery for historically slavery corrupted elites. Besides making a pretty penny from the value of the labor they are systematically stealing from them, the ‘immigrants’ also make for a powerful divide and conquer, divide and rule weapon, for amoral leadership. Remember how they were so used against the non-exploiting Anglo-Saxon public in the 1850’s when the ‘Nativists’ and so called ‘Know-Nothings’ had the temerity to simply try to preserve themselves?

    Recall how today they are used against a broader Euro population who dare to resist?

    '..the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups, settlement in the ‘frontier’ (periphery), and control over the natives and their land. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’
     
    * See Henry Seward’s historic March 3, 1858 speech to the US Senate, entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’, where he outlines the history from the US founding to the then present of the North and South’s two clashing systems of labor, calling it a multi-generational ‘dynastical’ struggle, where all the the past compromises had broken down.

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read, @Audacious Epigone

    Indeed, the same arguments made against slavery can be made against cheap immigrant labor.

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