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An asset in the primaries is a base that threatens to take their ball and go home if their person doesn’t get the nomination. Sanders has this. So does Yang, more so even than the Vermont senator:

The working presumption is that the Democrat VP nominee will be a woman–Amy Klobuchar, Michelle Obama, Stacey Abrams, maybe Nina Turner (if Biden gets the nomination). Klobuchar and Abrams keep Minnesota and possibly flip Georgia, respectively.

Turner is interesting. She brings reluctant Sanders supporters to vote for Biden, but Sanders will probably buckle and offer a full-throated endorsement of whoever the eventual nominee is no matter how he is treated by the DNC anyway. If Democrats have a shot at winning Ohio, the election will have already been decided in their favor.

Michelle Obama will energize the Obama coalition across the country but will also energize Republican voters unlike anyone other than Hillary Clinton could.

Are these various benefits worth more than the couple of millions of voters Yang offers who may otherwise sit it out or vote third party?

 
• Category: Culture/Society, Ideology • Tags: Andrew Yang, Election 2020 
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  1. Tina Turner is too old to be VP and I think she may have renounced her citizenship. But, man, she’s got the legs for anything, including being VP.

    • LOL: follyofwar
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    @iffen

    I've never heard of Nina Turner. But it sure doesn't seem that lovely Tulsi Gabbard is getting much love in these parts. I'm a Tulsi only voter, and I think there are plenty like me.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

  2. I can picture it now: the media will say that Yang is an historic VP choice and will be historic a second time if elected. All the time ignoring that there are there are actually large Asian polities that have thousands of years of history of Asian leaders, let alone largely meaningless positions like VP.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @songbird

    In the diversity deck, playing with a hand of old white men (Trump/Pence) is trying to win on a high card. A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair, and that's enough to beat a high card every time.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @songbird

    , @John Johnson
    @songbird

    I can picture it now: the media will say that Yang is an historic VP choice and will be historic a second time if elected.

    The media doesn't care about Asian men and if anything holds them in disdain. Asians ruin their narratives of a worldwide White conspiracy. Yang would have to be gay to score diversity points from them.

    What they want is a minority female and preferably Harris.

    For Sanders I think the wiser strategy is to go for Republican and right-leaning independent voters with his VP pick. Completely ignore the MSM and find someone that Republicans will tolerate if something happens to Sanders while in office. That is the factor here that no one wants to talk about.

  3. @iffen
    Tina Turner is too old to be VP and I think she may have renounced her citizenship. But, man, she's got the legs for anything, including being VP.

    Replies: @follyofwar

    I’ve never heard of Nina Turner. But it sure doesn’t seem that lovely Tulsi Gabbard is getting much love in these parts. I’m a Tulsi only voter, and I think there are plenty like me.

    • Agree: GuestAug
    • Replies: @iffen
    @follyofwar

    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.

    Replies: @follyofwar, @GuestAug

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @follyofwar

    Tulsi's negatives are extraordinarily high among Democrat voters. Most polls actually show her net favorability to be negative among Democrats.

    It's unfair--she's far more a genuine leftist than somebody like Joe Biden is--but she lacks the combination of charisma and salience to combat the corporate media smear machine, so she's not going to be picked. The best chance she has is probably something like secretary of veteran affairs in a Sanders administration.

  4. @follyofwar
    @iffen

    I've never heard of Nina Turner. But it sure doesn't seem that lovely Tulsi Gabbard is getting much love in these parts. I'm a Tulsi only voter, and I think there are plenty like me.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    @iffen

    Who in the democrat party isn't for open borders these days, although I doubt if she is the worst? The number one job of president is as Commander-in-Chief, where potus has near dictatorial powers. Most modern presidents have used those powers for evil. Only Tulsi, who has seen the disastrous consequences of war up close, offers hope that they might be used for good. Nothing else matters much if we are blown up in a nuclear holocaust, does it?

    Replies: @Brabantian

    , @GuestAug
    @iffen


    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.
     
    She is not. If anything, she understands that 200 years of the imperialist US foreign policy (Monroe Doctrine) is what made Latin and Central America the basket case that desperate people are willing to risk their lives to leave in the hope of becoming landscapers and slaughterhouse meat packers in the US.
  5. @songbird
    I can picture it now: the media will say that Yang is an historic VP choice and will be historic a second time if elected. All the time ignoring that there are there are actually large Asian polities that have thousands of years of history of Asian leaders, let alone largely meaningless positions like VP.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @John Johnson

    In the diversity deck, playing with a hand of old white men (Trump/Pence) is trying to win on a high card. A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair, and that’s enough to beat a high card every time.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Audacious Epigone


    A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair ....
     
    Wow, there's a loaded statement, especially if the lead on the ticket is Mayor Pete.
    , @songbird
    @Audacious Epigone

    There has to be some kind of colorimeter that they shoot at candidates: skin color/eye color/hair color. Even the Republicans. Would they field a president/VP team where both were blond-haired and blue-eyed? It seems impossible, which is certainly very weird to contemplate.

  6. @follyofwar
    @iffen

    I've never heard of Nina Turner. But it sure doesn't seem that lovely Tulsi Gabbard is getting much love in these parts. I'm a Tulsi only voter, and I think there are plenty like me.

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    Tulsi’s negatives are extraordinarily high among Democrat voters. Most polls actually show her net favorability to be negative among Democrats.

    It’s unfair–she’s far more a genuine leftist than somebody like Joe Biden is–but she lacks the combination of charisma and salience to combat the corporate media smear machine, so she’s not going to be picked. The best chance she has is probably something like secretary of veteran affairs in a Sanders administration.

    • Agree: gman
  7. @iffen
    @follyofwar

    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.

    Replies: @follyofwar, @GuestAug

    Who in the democrat party isn’t for open borders these days, although I doubt if she is the worst? The number one job of president is as Commander-in-Chief, where potus has near dictatorial powers. Most modern presidents have used those powers for evil. Only Tulsi, who has seen the disastrous consequences of war up close, offers hope that they might be used for good. Nothing else matters much if we are blown up in a nuclear holocaust, does it?

    • Replies: @Brabantian
    @follyofwar

    Quite seriously, to calm your fears, it's worth looking at the huge evidence, that nuclear weapons do not exist, and are maybe a hoax along with alleged 1968-72 'trips to the moon' ... Elites were drawn to create a 'total terror hoax', just as the centuries of terror via 'eternal hell' fears, stoked by Christianity and Islam, began to fade in Western society

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem clearly to be mis-represented versions of the Tokyo, Osaka or Yokohama firebombing horrors ... Mushroom clouds are chemical (see Chinese factories exploding) ... Witnesses at Hiroshima reported a large fleet ... 'Smoking gun' of Hiroshima day, was 66 planes - a firebombing fleet - logged as going to bomb 'Imabari', which no longer existed ... Death sentences were threatened for any USAers or Japanese who tried to deny the nuke story ... Swedish nuclear scientist Anders Björkman has been trying to tell the world for years that nuclear weapons are impossible
    https://www.winterwatch.net/2017/08/was-hiroshima-firebombed-and-not-nuked/

    The elites of all 10 alleged 'nuclear powers' were able to steal masses of tax money from their own people - and share the USA dosh - for playing along

    1945 - USA chemically bombs Hiroshima & Nagasaki, also dumping illness-inducing radioactive rubbish - USA HAS NUCLEAR BOMBS, WHOLE WORLD CAN DIE

    1949 - Soviet Union accepts deal for Russian elites to become 'Best Enemy Money Can Buy' as Antony Sutton showed - COMMIE RUSSIA HAS THE BOMB

    1952 - UK Brits don't want to be 2nd class, altho flat broke at the time - UK HAS THE BOMB

    1960 - France chafes not to be 2nd class to Brits - FRANCE & DE GAULLE HAVE THE BOMB

    1964 - China upgraded to major league - COMMIE CHINA HAS THE BOMB

    1966 - Israel joins the club to frighten Arabs in 1967 & 1973 wars - JEWS HAVE THE BOMB & ARE READY TO SAMSON OPTION EVERYBODY

    1974 - India accepted as big power, even jokes by calling its nuke programme 'Smiling Buddha' - INDIA HAS THE BOMB

    1979 - South Africa's white apartheid gov gets to play - RACIST SOUTH AFRICA HAS THE BOMB READY TO KILL BLACK PEOPLE ... but 'dismantles bombs' before Mandela & black government can learn the scam

    1998 - Pakistan signs on in new Western anti-Muslim theme - PAKISTANI MUSLIMS HAVE THE BOMB & OSAMA OR TERRORISTS MIGHT GET AHOLD OF IT

    2006 - North Korea, always making deals, gets to upgrade - CRAZY NORTH KOREA HAS THE BOMB

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  8. VP Gabbard.

    She offers something to the feminists, and stokes the Bernie enthusiasm as a great big bird-flip to Hillary.

    And where are the Hillary voters going to go, anyway? They’re the most demented anti-Trump people around. They’ll vote Sanders if they have to.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @vok3

    Tulsi would be a great Republican VP pick to replace neo-con-dominated Mike Pence, and, to be frank, her politics are not wildly at odds with most of the orthodox Republican elite.

    Replies: @216

  9. “she lacks the combination of charisma and salience to combat the corporate media smear machine”

    Where’s this claim coming from?

    The smears of her I’ve seen are entirely from grassroots-level wokesters who think she’s some sort of right-wing infiltrator. I’m not going to extrapolate to the general voting public from that.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @vok3

    Net favorability (% favorable - % unfavorable) among Democrat primary voters from the most recent Morning Consult poll:

    Biden +52
    Sanders +52
    Warren +43
    Yang +36
    Buttigieg +35
    Bloomberg +33
    Klobuchar +25
    Steyer +22
    Bennett +11
    Delaney +5
    Patrick +4
    Gabbard -5

    She's dignified in her approach and soothing in her delivery. She's not fiery or networked well enough to be able to command attention and drive the cycle like Trump could, and so she's now easily ignored.

    If Sanders had the decency, he'd stand up for her. After all, she resigned her DNC position because of how the party treated him in 2016. But like usual, he buckles. He always buckles to the DNC apparatus.

    Replies: @GuestAug, @follyofwar

  10. @Audacious Epigone
    @songbird

    In the diversity deck, playing with a hand of old white men (Trump/Pence) is trying to win on a high card. A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair, and that's enough to beat a high card every time.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @songbird

    A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair ….

    Wow, there’s a loaded statement, especially if the lead on the ticket is Mayor Pete.

  11. @vok3
    VP Gabbard.

    She offers something to the feminists, and stokes the Bernie enthusiasm as a great big bird-flip to Hillary.

    And where are the Hillary voters going to go, anyway? They're the most demented anti-Trump people around. They'll vote Sanders if they have to.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Tulsi would be a great Republican VP pick to replace neo-con-dominated Mike Pence, and, to be frank, her politics are not wildly at odds with most of the orthodox Republican elite.

    • Replies: @216
    @The Alarmist

    Most GOP voters would find her religious beliefs disgusting.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

  12. “Are these various benefits worth more than the couple of millions of voters Yang offers who may otherwise sit it out or vote third party?”

    Given that Biden himself thinks he’s gonna die in office, his VP pick is more than just the usual vote-angling game. A Biden VP is very likely also a future president.

    • Replies: @216
    @Almost Missouri

    Biden is unlikely to serve more than a single term, and I've even speculated that he could be dead or incapacitated during the period between the election and the Electors voting in December.

    Such chaos could see Mike Pence re-elected as VP by the GOP majority Senate, as the Electors may not be legally able to elect another Dem as VP.

    Otoh, there could be enough cucks in the Senate that vote with the Dems for their VP candidate in the "spirit of fair play" (which of course never extends to the Right).

  13. It hadn’t occurred to me to offer VP to Michelle O (I keep expecting her to sail in from stage left at the convention and snag the top nomination, with a nudge-wink understanding she won’t “really” be president, it’ll be Barack’s sotto voce third term — or, well, Valerie Jarrett’s third term).

    But if Biden gets the nom and persuades Michelle to take VP, he will squash Trump like a bug. Trump loses all 50 states, between massive vote fraud and energized black turnout. Biden sits in the Oval Office for six months, just to get his name in the history books, then retires for health reasons and then blammo!, President Madame Mao.

    btw Tulsi is going nowhere, she is anti wars for Israel. At some point the Jews will probably just drop a falling grand piano on her head as she’s walking down the street, just to make sure their message is sent loud and clear.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Biden/MObama would indeed be perceived as Obama's third (and fourth and fifth) term(s).

  14. But if Biden gets the nom and persuades Michelle to take VP, he will squash Trump like a bug.

    False. You have an exceptionally poor opinion of the American people.

    Black men don’t like Michelle O any more than white men like Hillary.

  15. @songbird
    I can picture it now: the media will say that Yang is an historic VP choice and will be historic a second time if elected. All the time ignoring that there are there are actually large Asian polities that have thousands of years of history of Asian leaders, let alone largely meaningless positions like VP.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @John Johnson

    I can picture it now: the media will say that Yang is an historic VP choice and will be historic a second time if elected.

    The media doesn’t care about Asian men and if anything holds them in disdain. Asians ruin their narratives of a worldwide White conspiracy. Yang would have to be gay to score diversity points from them.

    What they want is a minority female and preferably Harris.

    For Sanders I think the wiser strategy is to go for Republican and right-leaning independent voters with his VP pick. Completely ignore the MSM and find someone that Republicans will tolerate if something happens to Sanders while in office. That is the factor here that no one wants to talk about.

  16. @vok3
    "she lacks the combination of charisma and salience to combat the corporate media smear machine"

    Where's this claim coming from?

    The smears of her I've seen are entirely from grassroots-level wokesters who think she's some sort of right-wing infiltrator. I'm not going to extrapolate to the general voting public from that.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Net favorability (% favorable – % unfavorable) among Democrat primary voters from the most recent Morning Consult poll:

    Biden +52
    Sanders +52
    Warren +43
    Yang +36
    Buttigieg +35
    Bloomberg +33
    Klobuchar +25
    Steyer +22
    Bennett +11
    Delaney +5
    Patrick +4
    Gabbard -5

    She’s dignified in her approach and soothing in her delivery. She’s not fiery or networked well enough to be able to command attention and drive the cycle like Trump could, and so she’s now easily ignored.

    If Sanders had the decency, he’d stand up for her. After all, she resigned her DNC position because of how the party treated him in 2016. But like usual, he buckles. He always buckles to the DNC apparatus.

    • Replies: @GuestAug
    @Audacious Epigone

    "Gabbard -5 among Democrat primary voters" makes Gabbard the best VP choice for the general election, especially as a running mate to Sanders.

    , @follyofwar
    @Audacious Epigone

    True that on Bernie. If he won't stand up to the DNC how can he stand up to the MIC?

  17. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    It hadn't occurred to me to offer VP to Michelle O (I keep expecting her to sail in from stage left at the convention and snag the top nomination, with a nudge-wink understanding she won't "really" be president, it'll be Barack's sotto voce third term -- or, well, Valerie Jarrett's third term).

    But if Biden gets the nom and persuades Michelle to take VP, he will squash Trump like a bug. Trump loses all 50 states, between massive vote fraud and energized black turnout. Biden sits in the Oval Office for six months, just to get his name in the history books, then retires for health reasons and then blammo!, President Madame Mao.

    btw Tulsi is going nowhere, she is anti wars for Israel. At some point the Jews will probably just drop a falling grand piano on her head as she's walking down the street, just to make sure their message is sent loud and clear.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Biden/MObama would indeed be perceived as Obama’s third (and fourth and fifth) term(s).

  18. Dude Michelle Obama is not going to be VP candidate. She didn’t even want to move to DC when Obama won. If she does, it will be basically against her will. Say what you want about Michelle Obama but she is fundamentally a normal human being and will take being a wealthy, mostly beloved celebrity with SS protection for the rest of her life over running around all over the country pulling 16 hour work days on the campaign trail, without a second thought.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @anon
    @Not My Economy


    Michelle Obama is not going to be VP candidate
     
    Yep, plus she's lazy AF.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

  19. All Yang people I know or have met are would-have-been Trump voters (ie. young white guys) who didn’t vote in 2016 or never voted. Only ever been pitched on Yang by men.

  20. @The Alarmist
    @vok3

    Tulsi would be a great Republican VP pick to replace neo-con-dominated Mike Pence, and, to be frank, her politics are not wildly at odds with most of the orthodox Republican elite.

    Replies: @216

    Most GOP voters would find her religious beliefs disgusting.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @216

    And how many babies has she aborted?

    She has "that look" that happens after a second or third fetus gets yanked out.

  21. @Audacious Epigone
    @songbird

    In the diversity deck, playing with a hand of old white men (Trump/Pence) is trying to win on a high card. A hand with a youngish east Asian male, while nothing close to a royal flush, is at least a pair, and that's enough to beat a high card every time.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @songbird

    There has to be some kind of colorimeter that they shoot at candidates: skin color/eye color/hair color. Even the Republicans. Would they field a president/VP team where both were blond-haired and blue-eyed? It seems impossible, which is certainly very weird to contemplate.

  22. @Almost Missouri

    "Are these various benefits worth more than the couple of millions of voters Yang offers who may otherwise sit it out or vote third party?"
     
    Given that Biden himself thinks he's gonna die in office, his VP pick is more than just the usual vote-angling game. A Biden VP is very likely also a future president.

    Replies: @216

    Biden is unlikely to serve more than a single term, and I’ve even speculated that he could be dead or incapacitated during the period between the election and the Electors voting in December.

    Such chaos could see Mike Pence re-elected as VP by the GOP majority Senate, as the Electors may not be legally able to elect another Dem as VP.

    Otoh, there could be enough cucks in the Senate that vote with the Dems for their VP candidate in the “spirit of fair play” (which of course never extends to the Right).

  23. Yang is an excellent candidate for the “Gary voters” of 2016.

    Sanders is unusually repulsive to the “Romney-Clinton” voters of 2016.

    —-

    In the case of a Dem win in 2020, which means an amnesty and immigration surge, the GOP is dead and buried. There won’t be a civil war, and very unlikely that there will be a secession unless the US loses a war to China/Russia.

    But that means there will certainly be a DSA Party forming to the left of the Democrats. In that case, Andrew Yang effectively becomes the most electable “center-right” politician in the country.

  24. @216
    @The Alarmist

    Most GOP voters would find her religious beliefs disgusting.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    And how many babies has she aborted?

    She has “that look” that happens after a second or third fetus gets yanked out.

    • LOL: HammerJack
  25. All of this discussion is moot, as Trump is going to win.

    Then AE will have to eat an entire Marabou Stork, as a progression of ever-larger ‘crows’ have to be consumed.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Thomm

    In that case it might taste this good:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cvhUbSJ0j0

  26. I can see Yang being VP to Bloomberg if he gets nominated. Both want maximum immigration to the US. Trump can blow them to the orbit.

  27. Interesting that on PredictIt, the top 3 are Nina Turner, Stacey Abrams, and Kamala Harris

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  28. Don’t blame me, I voted for Yodos.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  29. Anon[359] • Disclaimer says:

    Nobody would pay any attention to Tulsi if she looked like Klobuchar.

    Tulsi’s support seems to come primarily from horny alt-right types who don’t like neocon foreign policy. She’s an open borders leftist, but her appearance causes these alt-right types to ignore most of her views and policies, and just latch on to her foreign policy stuff.

    She doesn’t have much going for her besides her looks. She comes across as an airhead and not very intelligent.

    • Agree: Mike Tre
    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @Anon

    Thank you. I was getting ready to say pretty much the same thing. Personally I care less about her religious beliefs (which are out of place here and do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of citizens she would presume to rule over; how does she handle the federal Christmas holiday? Does she replace the lighting of the Christmas Tree with a 12 armed hermaphrodite elephant?) than I do about the fact that she seeks to replace the heritage stock of the US with hordes of 3rd worlders.

    Immigration is issue number 1. Foreign policy is issue number 2.

    Gabbard is a soft 7, childless and has no interest in the future of this nation. End the Gabbard fappening.

    , @GuestAug
    @Anon


    Tulsi’s support seems to come primarily from horny alt-right types who don’t like neocon foreign policy.
     
    "Horny alt-right types who don’t like neocon foreign policy" is exactly the demographic that will push Democrats over the top in November. That is why Democrats need Gabbard on the ticket.
  30. I want to secure the bag myself, but Yang is getting nowhere in the polls.

    Thing is, a Sanders/Yang ticket leaves nothing for the women who make up a huge portion of the Dems.

  31. I think most Yang voters are not really Dems and wouldn’t be excited to have him in the largely meaningless VP role. So in any scenario other than the nominee I think most of them stay home.

    Sanders supporters in the other hand will ghost on the party is he is not the nominee…and a Biden/Sanders unity ticket would have Pelosi licking her chops as third in line to the presidency.

    • LOL: follyofwar
    • Replies: @follyofwar
    @Arclight

    In your fantasy scenario, we could well see a president Pelosi. Nancy is actually older than both of them, but women live 8 years longer.

    Remember, a sclerotic gerontocracy helped to hasten the fall of the Soviet Union. Brezhnev died at 75 after suffering a heart attack and being bedridden for two years. Next came Andropov who was 68 and sick upon appointment, and lasted a mere 15 months. Then came Chernenko who was 72 and sick, and only lasted 13 months. By the time a young Gorbachev took over it was too late.

    Those guys were mere pups compared to Biden/Bernie/Pelosi.

  32. The U.S. process is driven by the Electoral College. One of the reasons to select a VP is trying to capture their home state:

    — Nina Turner — Ohio
    — Stacey Abrams — Georgia
    — Kamala Harris — California
    — Andrew Yang — New York

    Based on this, Abrams and Turner are the more likely choices as Georgia and Ohio are swing states.

    PEACE 😇

  33. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Anon
    Nobody would pay any attention to Tulsi if she looked like Klobuchar.

    Tulsi's support seems to come primarily from horny alt-right types who don't like neocon foreign policy. She's an open borders leftist, but her appearance causes these alt-right types to ignore most of her views and policies, and just latch on to her foreign policy stuff.

    She doesn't have much going for her besides her looks. She comes across as an airhead and not very intelligent.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @GuestAug

    Thank you. I was getting ready to say pretty much the same thing. Personally I care less about her religious beliefs (which are out of place here and do not reflect the beliefs of the vast majority of citizens she would presume to rule over; how does she handle the federal Christmas holiday? Does she replace the lighting of the Christmas Tree with a 12 armed hermaphrodite elephant?) than I do about the fact that she seeks to replace the heritage stock of the US with hordes of 3rd worlders.

    Immigration is issue number 1. Foreign policy is issue number 2.

    Gabbard is a soft 7, childless and has no interest in the future of this nation. End the Gabbard fappening.

  34. My sense is that Sanders / Yang 2020 would be unstoppable

    Yang’s $1000 a month doesn’t gain traction partly because of media slighting, and partly because people don’t really believe it could happen

    But it’s classic Bolshevism and fits the Bernie Sanders programme well, and once Bernie could publicise Yang’s bag they would barrel into victory

    Yang’s bag plus Bernie’s Medicare for All, is a new form of what life was like in the old Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact Europe, a minimum for the mass of plebs with no major worries about housing / education / healthcare, a small elite that got all the privileges and cool stuff

    Most ‘Muricans would be surprised by how many East Europeans over 40, who experienced communism directly, would vote to have it back.

    Funny I’ve been hearing from Bernie bros, that Bernie is still secretly anti-immigration like in his 2015 video … and he’ll stall on open borders when he gets elected LOL

    It should be remembered that Karl Marx himself wrote about immigration as an oligarch plot, and unlike Lenin, Trotsky and others, Joseph Stalin came to think that there was something valid and enduring about national and ethnic cultural identities which socialism should not try to sabotage

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Brabantian

    I hope you're right. If Bernie would exert himself enough to be the spiritual leader of the left, though, I'd have more confidence. He has shown time and time again that he buckles to the DNC even after they stilt him again and again.

  35. @follyofwar
    @iffen

    Who in the democrat party isn't for open borders these days, although I doubt if she is the worst? The number one job of president is as Commander-in-Chief, where potus has near dictatorial powers. Most modern presidents have used those powers for evil. Only Tulsi, who has seen the disastrous consequences of war up close, offers hope that they might be used for good. Nothing else matters much if we are blown up in a nuclear holocaust, does it?

    Replies: @Brabantian

    Quite seriously, to calm your fears, it’s worth looking at the huge evidence, that nuclear weapons do not exist, and are maybe a hoax along with alleged 1968-72 ‘trips to the moon’ … Elites were drawn to create a ‘total terror hoax’, just as the centuries of terror via ‘eternal hell’ fears, stoked by Christianity and Islam, began to fade in Western society

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem clearly to be mis-represented versions of the Tokyo, Osaka or Yokohama firebombing horrors … Mushroom clouds are chemical (see Chinese factories exploding) … Witnesses at Hiroshima reported a large fleet … ‘Smoking gun’ of Hiroshima day, was 66 planes – a firebombing fleet – logged as going to bomb ‘Imabari’, which no longer existed … Death sentences were threatened for any USAers or Japanese who tried to deny the nuke story … Swedish nuclear scientist Anders Björkman has been trying to tell the world for years that nuclear weapons are impossible
    https://www.winterwatch.net/2017/08/was-hiroshima-firebombed-and-not-nuked/

    The elites of all 10 alleged ‘nuclear powers’ were able to steal masses of tax money from their own people – and share the USA dosh – for playing along

    1945 – USA chemically bombs Hiroshima & Nagasaki, also dumping illness-inducing radioactive rubbish – USA HAS NUCLEAR BOMBS, WHOLE WORLD CAN DIE

    1949 – Soviet Union accepts deal for Russian elites to become ‘Best Enemy Money Can Buy’ as Antony Sutton showed – COMMIE RUSSIA HAS THE BOMB

    1952 – UK Brits don’t want to be 2nd class, altho flat broke at the time – UK HAS THE BOMB

    1960 – France chafes not to be 2nd class to Brits – FRANCE & DE GAULLE HAVE THE BOMB

    1964 – China upgraded to major league – COMMIE CHINA HAS THE BOMB

    1966 – Israel joins the club to frighten Arabs in 1967 & 1973 wars – JEWS HAVE THE BOMB & ARE READY TO SAMSON OPTION EVERYBODY

    1974 – India accepted as big power, even jokes by calling its nuke programme ‘Smiling Buddha’ – INDIA HAS THE BOMB

    1979 – South Africa’s white apartheid gov gets to play – RACIST SOUTH AFRICA HAS THE BOMB READY TO KILL BLACK PEOPLE … but ‘dismantles bombs’ before Mandela & black government can learn the scam

    1998 – Pakistan signs on in new Western anti-Muslim theme – PAKISTANI MUSLIMS HAVE THE BOMB & OSAMA OR TERRORISTS MIGHT GET AHOLD OF IT

    2006 – North Korea, always making deals, gets to upgrade – CRAZY NORTH KOREA HAS THE BOMB

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Brabantian

    I can't tag you a troll due to the effing time limitation, so I must say this:

    You. Fucking. Idiot.  Do you seriously think the Trinity test, all the bomb craters at the Nevada test range, and the Tsar Bomba are fabrications?  You have just earned a spot on my "ignore moronic commenters" list.  Goodbye.

    Replies: @another anon

  36. Sanders/Gabbard 2020 🙂

  37. @Audacious Epigone
    @vok3

    Net favorability (% favorable - % unfavorable) among Democrat primary voters from the most recent Morning Consult poll:

    Biden +52
    Sanders +52
    Warren +43
    Yang +36
    Buttigieg +35
    Bloomberg +33
    Klobuchar +25
    Steyer +22
    Bennett +11
    Delaney +5
    Patrick +4
    Gabbard -5

    She's dignified in her approach and soothing in her delivery. She's not fiery or networked well enough to be able to command attention and drive the cycle like Trump could, and so she's now easily ignored.

    If Sanders had the decency, he'd stand up for her. After all, she resigned her DNC position because of how the party treated him in 2016. But like usual, he buckles. He always buckles to the DNC apparatus.

    Replies: @GuestAug, @follyofwar

    “Gabbard -5 among Democrat primary voters” makes Gabbard the best VP choice for the general election, especially as a running mate to Sanders.

  38. @Arclight
    I think most Yang voters are not really Dems and wouldn’t be excited to have him in the largely meaningless VP role. So in any scenario other than the nominee I think most of them stay home.

    Sanders supporters in the other hand will ghost on the party is he is not the nominee...and a Biden/Sanders unity ticket would have Pelosi licking her chops as third in line to the presidency.

    Replies: @follyofwar

    In your fantasy scenario, we could well see a president Pelosi. Nancy is actually older than both of them, but women live 8 years longer.

    Remember, a sclerotic gerontocracy helped to hasten the fall of the Soviet Union. Brezhnev died at 75 after suffering a heart attack and being bedridden for two years. Next came Andropov who was 68 and sick upon appointment, and lasted a mere 15 months. Then came Chernenko who was 72 and sick, and only lasted 13 months. By the time a young Gorbachev took over it was too late.

    Those guys were mere pups compared to Biden/Bernie/Pelosi.

  39. @Audacious Epigone
    @vok3

    Net favorability (% favorable - % unfavorable) among Democrat primary voters from the most recent Morning Consult poll:

    Biden +52
    Sanders +52
    Warren +43
    Yang +36
    Buttigieg +35
    Bloomberg +33
    Klobuchar +25
    Steyer +22
    Bennett +11
    Delaney +5
    Patrick +4
    Gabbard -5

    She's dignified in her approach and soothing in her delivery. She's not fiery or networked well enough to be able to command attention and drive the cycle like Trump could, and so she's now easily ignored.

    If Sanders had the decency, he'd stand up for her. After all, she resigned her DNC position because of how the party treated him in 2016. But like usual, he buckles. He always buckles to the DNC apparatus.

    Replies: @GuestAug, @follyofwar

    True that on Bernie. If he won’t stand up to the DNC how can he stand up to the MIC?

  40. @Brabantian
    @follyofwar

    Quite seriously, to calm your fears, it's worth looking at the huge evidence, that nuclear weapons do not exist, and are maybe a hoax along with alleged 1968-72 'trips to the moon' ... Elites were drawn to create a 'total terror hoax', just as the centuries of terror via 'eternal hell' fears, stoked by Christianity and Islam, began to fade in Western society

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki seem clearly to be mis-represented versions of the Tokyo, Osaka or Yokohama firebombing horrors ... Mushroom clouds are chemical (see Chinese factories exploding) ... Witnesses at Hiroshima reported a large fleet ... 'Smoking gun' of Hiroshima day, was 66 planes - a firebombing fleet - logged as going to bomb 'Imabari', which no longer existed ... Death sentences were threatened for any USAers or Japanese who tried to deny the nuke story ... Swedish nuclear scientist Anders Björkman has been trying to tell the world for years that nuclear weapons are impossible
    https://www.winterwatch.net/2017/08/was-hiroshima-firebombed-and-not-nuked/

    The elites of all 10 alleged 'nuclear powers' were able to steal masses of tax money from their own people - and share the USA dosh - for playing along

    1945 - USA chemically bombs Hiroshima & Nagasaki, also dumping illness-inducing radioactive rubbish - USA HAS NUCLEAR BOMBS, WHOLE WORLD CAN DIE

    1949 - Soviet Union accepts deal for Russian elites to become 'Best Enemy Money Can Buy' as Antony Sutton showed - COMMIE RUSSIA HAS THE BOMB

    1952 - UK Brits don't want to be 2nd class, altho flat broke at the time - UK HAS THE BOMB

    1960 - France chafes not to be 2nd class to Brits - FRANCE & DE GAULLE HAVE THE BOMB

    1964 - China upgraded to major league - COMMIE CHINA HAS THE BOMB

    1966 - Israel joins the club to frighten Arabs in 1967 & 1973 wars - JEWS HAVE THE BOMB & ARE READY TO SAMSON OPTION EVERYBODY

    1974 - India accepted as big power, even jokes by calling its nuke programme 'Smiling Buddha' - INDIA HAS THE BOMB

    1979 - South Africa's white apartheid gov gets to play - RACIST SOUTH AFRICA HAS THE BOMB READY TO KILL BLACK PEOPLE ... but 'dismantles bombs' before Mandela & black government can learn the scam

    1998 - Pakistan signs on in new Western anti-Muslim theme - PAKISTANI MUSLIMS HAVE THE BOMB & OSAMA OR TERRORISTS MIGHT GET AHOLD OF IT

    2006 - North Korea, always making deals, gets to upgrade - CRAZY NORTH KOREA HAS THE BOMB

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    I can’t tag you a troll due to the effing time limitation, so I must say this:

    You. Fucking. Idiot.  Do you seriously think the Trinity test, all the bomb craters at the Nevada test range, and the Tsar Bomba are fabrications?  You have just earned a spot on my “ignore moronic commenters” list.  Goodbye.

    • Agree: HammerJack, Charon
    • Replies: @another anon
    @Mr. Rational

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam, and all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.

    http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-cat-money-5056256.gif

    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.
    You nukecucks shall be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  41. @Not My Economy
    Dude Michelle Obama is not going to be VP candidate. She didn't even want to move to DC when Obama won. If she does, it will be basically against her will. Say what you want about Michelle Obama but she is fundamentally a normal human being and will take being a wealthy, mostly beloved celebrity with SS protection for the rest of her life over running around all over the country pulling 16 hour work days on the campaign trail, without a second thought.

    Replies: @anon

    Michelle Obama is not going to be VP candidate

    Yep, plus she’s lazy AF.

    • Replies: @Jane Plain
    @anon

    Really? How do you know that? Were you dressed when you commented?

  42. @Anon
    Nobody would pay any attention to Tulsi if she looked like Klobuchar.

    Tulsi's support seems to come primarily from horny alt-right types who don't like neocon foreign policy. She's an open borders leftist, but her appearance causes these alt-right types to ignore most of her views and policies, and just latch on to her foreign policy stuff.

    She doesn't have much going for her besides her looks. She comes across as an airhead and not very intelligent.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @GuestAug

    Tulsi’s support seems to come primarily from horny alt-right types who don’t like neocon foreign policy.

    “Horny alt-right types who don’t like neocon foreign policy” is exactly the demographic that will push Democrats over the top in November. That is why Democrats need Gabbard on the ticket.

  43. @iffen
    @follyofwar

    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.

    Replies: @follyofwar, @GuestAug

    Tulsi is an open borders poster girl.

    She is not. If anything, she understands that 200 years of the imperialist US foreign policy (Monroe Doctrine) is what made Latin and Central America the basket case that desperate people are willing to risk their lives to leave in the hope of becoming landscapers and slaughterhouse meat packers in the US.

  44. @Mr. Rational
    @Brabantian

    I can't tag you a troll due to the effing time limitation, so I must say this:

    You. Fucking. Idiot.  Do you seriously think the Trinity test, all the bomb craters at the Nevada test range, and the Tsar Bomba are fabrications?  You have just earned a spot on my "ignore moronic commenters" list.  Goodbye.

    Replies: @another anon

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam, and all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.

    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.
    You nukecucks shall be ashamed of yourself.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @another anon


    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!
     
    Do you seriously think nuclear submarines don't exist?

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.
     
    That's part of the problem.

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam
     
    And I'm willing to buck that consensus, because it's part of the carefully-selected pile of lies you have to espouse to be "conservative" today.  That particular lie was established via endless repetition on talk radio back in the 80's.  "Progressives" have different lies.

    Can you imagine a better way to render people ineffective than to push them into believing that problems are non-problems and vice versa, or getting the causation all wrong and thus making all efforts totally useless?  For instance, "Progressives" can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.  If you dig you can find all sorts of lies like that, but it's easier to find them in your opposition than in your own beliefs.

    all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.
     
    Really?  Pioneering climatologist Svante Arrhenius was trying to get his hands on a big pile of kroner when he wrote his paper back in 1896?  Dr. James Hansen was trying to get his hands on a big pile of $$$ when he testified in front of Congress?  (You don't get rich working for NASA.)

    There's no question that there are people trying to ride the climate change issue to power over others (more so than $$$, power is what they want).  So what?  Those people try to ride EVERYTHING in pursuit of power.  It's what they do.  It doesn't make the science wrong.

    Replies: @iffen

  45. @another anon
    @Mr. Rational

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam, and all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.

    http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/gif-cat-money-5056256.gif

    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.
    You nukecucks shall be ashamed of yourself.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!

    Do you seriously think nuclear submarines don’t exist?

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.

    That’s part of the problem.

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam

    And I’m willing to buck that consensus, because it’s part of the carefully-selected pile of lies you have to espouse to be “conservative” today.  That particular lie was established via endless repetition on talk radio back in the 80’s.  “Progressives” have different lies.

    Can you imagine a better way to render people ineffective than to push them into believing that problems are non-problems and vice versa, or getting the causation all wrong and thus making all efforts totally useless?  For instance, “Progressives” can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.  If you dig you can find all sorts of lies like that, but it’s easier to find them in your opposition than in your own beliefs.

    all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.

    Really?  Pioneering climatologist Svante Arrhenius was trying to get his hands on a big pile of kroner when he wrote his paper back in 1896?  Dr. James Hansen was trying to get his hands on a big pile of $$$ when he testified in front of Congress?  (You don’t get rich working for NASA.)

    There’s no question that there are people trying to ride the climate change issue to power over others (more so than $$$, power is what they want).  So what?  Those people try to ride EVERYTHING in pursuit of power.  It’s what they do.  It doesn’t make the science wrong.

    • Agree: HammerJack, Mr McKenna
    • Replies: @iffen
    @Mr. Rational

    For instance, “Progressives” can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.

    If you "solve the problems" of all citizens that need help without regard to race, blacks would be a subset of that group of citizens.

    Thumbs up on your rational views on climate change.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  46. @Mr. Rational
    @another anon


    Why you then blindly believe (((nuclear physics))) and (((nuclear scientists)))? Wake up, sheeple!
     
    Do you seriously think nuclear submarines don't exist?

    I support Brabantian, he is the true spirit and soul of unz.com.
     
    That's part of the problem.

    LOL. The consensus on Unz.com is that (((climate science))) is one big scam
     
    And I'm willing to buck that consensus, because it's part of the carefully-selected pile of lies you have to espouse to be "conservative" today.  That particular lie was established via endless repetition on talk radio back in the 80's.  "Progressives" have different lies.

    Can you imagine a better way to render people ineffective than to push them into believing that problems are non-problems and vice versa, or getting the causation all wrong and thus making all efforts totally useless?  For instance, "Progressives" can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.  If you dig you can find all sorts of lies like that, but it's easier to find them in your opposition than in your own beliefs.

    all (((climate scientists))) of the world are part of the hoax to get at the big pile of $$$ that is in science.
     
    Really?  Pioneering climatologist Svante Arrhenius was trying to get his hands on a big pile of kroner when he wrote his paper back in 1896?  Dr. James Hansen was trying to get his hands on a big pile of $$$ when he testified in front of Congress?  (You don't get rich working for NASA.)

    There's no question that there are people trying to ride the climate change issue to power over others (more so than $$$, power is what they want).  So what?  Those people try to ride EVERYTHING in pursuit of power.  It's what they do.  It doesn't make the science wrong.

    Replies: @iffen

    For instance, “Progressives” can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.

    If you “solve the problems” of all citizens that need help without regard to race, blacks would be a subset of that group of citizens.

    Thumbs up on your rational views on climate change.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @iffen


    If you “solve the problems” of all citizens that need help without regard to race, blacks would be a subset of that group of citizens.
     
    Blacks think they're oppressed right now, even as theft and fare evasion are becoming new civil rights for them.  The coercion required to straighten out their problems (starting with weeding out the genes for reflexive violence and poor impulse control) is orders of magnitude beyond anything they'd tolerate.

    This is why I want to see this low-IQ, violent and criminal population encouraged to leave the country permanently.  We can do this as punishment for crimes at least for terms of years, and those who decide to "not return to the oppression" would not be problems for us ever again.
  47. @Thomm
    All of this discussion is moot, as Trump is going to win.

    Then AE will have to eat an entire Marabou Stork, as a progression of ever-larger 'crows' have to be consumed.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    In that case it might taste this good:

  48. @Brabantian
    My sense is that Sanders / Yang 2020 would be unstoppable

    Yang's $1000 a month doesn't gain traction partly because of media slighting, and partly because people don't really believe it could happen

    But it's classic Bolshevism and fits the Bernie Sanders programme well, and once Bernie could publicise Yang's bag they would barrel into victory

    Yang's bag plus Bernie's Medicare for All, is a new form of what life was like in the old Soviet Union or Warsaw Pact Europe, a minimum for the mass of plebs with no major worries about housing / education / healthcare, a small elite that got all the privileges and cool stuff

    Most 'Muricans would be surprised by how many East Europeans over 40, who experienced communism directly, would vote to have it back.

    Funny I've been hearing from Bernie bros, that Bernie is still secretly anti-immigration like in his 2015 video ... and he'll stall on open borders when he gets elected LOL

    It should be remembered that Karl Marx himself wrote about immigration as an oligarch plot, and unlike Lenin, Trotsky and others, Joseph Stalin came to think that there was something valid and enduring about national and ethnic cultural identities which socialism should not try to sabotage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    I hope you’re right. If Bernie would exert himself enough to be the spiritual leader of the left, though, I’d have more confidence. He has shown time and time again that he buckles to the DNC even after they stilt him again and again.

  49. @iffen
    @Mr. Rational

    For instance, “Progressives” can never solve the black problem because its actual cause is unthinkable to them.

    If you "solve the problems" of all citizens that need help without regard to race, blacks would be a subset of that group of citizens.

    Thumbs up on your rational views on climate change.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    If you “solve the problems” of all citizens that need help without regard to race, blacks would be a subset of that group of citizens.

    Blacks think they’re oppressed right now, even as theft and fare evasion are becoming new civil rights for them.  The coercion required to straighten out their problems (starting with weeding out the genes for reflexive violence and poor impulse control) is orders of magnitude beyond anything they’d tolerate.

    This is why I want to see this low-IQ, violent and criminal population encouraged to leave the country permanently.  We can do this as punishment for crimes at least for terms of years, and those who decide to “not return to the oppression” would not be problems for us ever again.

  50. @anon
    @Not My Economy


    Michelle Obama is not going to be VP candidate
     
    Yep, plus she's lazy AF.

    Replies: @Jane Plain

    Really? How do you know that? Were you dressed when you commented?

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