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Immigration restrictionism has lost its populist appeal. It is increasingly becoming a distinctly partisan issue. The following graphs track sentiments over time by political orientation:



It’s hard to fathom that less than twenty years ago, liberals were more than three times as likely to say immigration to the US should be decreased as they were to say that it should be increased. Now they are over twice as likely to say the opposite. The past, even the recent past, is a foreign (heh) country.

Bernie Sanders famously referred to open borders as a “Koch brothers’ proposal” in 2015. That coincided with the inflection point of the American left’s view of immigration, when the Democrat party substantially completed its transition from positioning itself as the party of the American working class to the party of the globally aspirational. When Vox’s Ezra Klein pushed back against Sanders’ response, the Vermont senator noted that Klein’s position meant the end of the nation state. The self-avowed socialist did not view that as a desirable outcome:

Nothing proactive was done to reduce immigration when public support for reducing it was strong, but that support did stop successive congressional attempts at amnesty in their tracks. We’re rapidly approaching the point where this will cease to be the case. The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.

GSS variables used: YEAR, LETIN1A(1-2)(3)(4-5), POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7)

 
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  1. The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.

    I consider that treason, pure and simple, especially if those “million of foreigners” are here illegally or on non-immigrant visas.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Twinkie


    I consider that treason
     
    In history it is never treason if you win. The evil party knows they have already won, the stupid party is too stupid to know they are stupid.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    , @Paperback Writer
    @Twinkie

    Me, too. That and a quarter will get you nothing.

    , @anon
    @Twinkie

    "Treason" requires a functioning nation-state, one that has a will to survive, against which to commit the treasonous acts.

    Is the United States still a functioning nation-state?

    , @216
    @Twinkie

    I'd rather live under Russian or Chinese rule than perma-left Democrat rule.

  2. IMO, the biggest supporters of loose immigration policies (more than asians, hispanics) are Jewish whites.

    • Agree: Katrinka
  3. My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.” Like this was 1992. Audacious has a disturbing tendency of being proved correct. Given the total blind ignorance of today’s white population, I feel he is right again.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @MattinLA

    Lol congrats bro. She's probably getting nailed by Tyrone now. You know how to pick 'em

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @MattinLA

    I hope you corrected her. That would be "colonists," not "immigrants."

    , @Neuday
    @MattinLA


    My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.”
     
    I'm so sorry you're married to one of those, but:

    (1) Do an nGram on "nation of immigrants" and you'll find it wasn't even a term until 1960, which is about the year that the ADL of B'nai B'rith published a book by that name, purportedly written by JFK.

    (2) If America was built on immigrants, please explain the Naturalization Act of 1790 - "The law limited naturalization to "free white person[s] ... of good character", thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians..."

    (3) It would be truer to say America was built without women voting. Look what's happened since, and please be aware that intentions are far less meaningful than results.

    (4) If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn't significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? Had the congressweasels been able to see the affect of their vote, does idiot wife think it still would've passed? Please be aware that Democrat congressscum were significantly less treasonous than today's (except for the Jews, like Celler).

    (5) The poison is the dosage; just because you need sodium doesn't mean you gorge on it, and it's arguable whether America "needs" immigrants at all. We were a perfectly fine nation prior to the Hart-Celler bill. Even the Blacks in 1960 were better off then they are today.

    (6) Marriage was built on the ability of a man to correct his wife when she did or said stupid shit. "Husband" ORIGIN
    late Old English (in the senses ‘male head of a household’ and ‘manager, steward’), from Old Norse húsbóndi ‘master of a house’, from hús ‘house’ + bóndi ‘occupier and tiller of the soil’. The original sense of the verb was ‘till, cultivate’. Your wife has weeds in her brain, placed there by the Eternal Enemy. Please cultivate.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @AndrewR

  4. @Twinkie

    The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.
     
    I consider that treason, pure and simple, especially if those "million of foreigners" are here illegally or on non-immigrant visas.

    Replies: @neutral, @Paperback Writer, @anon, @216

    I consider that treason

    In history it is never treason if you win. The evil party knows they have already won, the stupid party is too stupid to know they are stupid.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @neutral

    In history it is never treason if you win.

    "Treason doth never prosper? What's the reason?
    for if it prosper, none dare call it treason"

    John Harington (1560-1612)
    (otherwise best known as the inventor of the flush toilet)

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  5. Twenty years ago I was a Liberal. In 2016 I became a Deplorable. I carried water for the Democrats because I was a Union Man. Bill Clinton and the “New” Democrats kicked organized labor out of the Democratic coalition. Organized labor was proxy for the entire working class. Our votes were up for grabs by either party since Clinton’s second term. Nobody asked for our vote until Trump came along. If we had been represented in Washington we would have opposed the de-industrialization of the Country.

    None of that matters to me any more. The recent presidential election demonstrated that the Swamp and the Oligarchy are impervious to electorial politcs. I have gone from Liberal to Deplorable to Sepratist while remaining a Populist.

    STOP THE HATE
    SEPARATE
    And teach your children it’s Okay to be White.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  6. There is clearly something wrong with us as a people. Hmm…..I guess that we aren’t a people. Just consumers in a global market place.

    I’m not a flag waver, but if I were I would feel kinda ridiculous. Like I’ve been swindled in a massive con. Suckers.

  7. America is done. It deserves to be done. It’s influence on the world is now wholly malign.

  8. @neutral
    @Twinkie


    I consider that treason
     
    In history it is never treason if you win. The evil party knows they have already won, the stupid party is too stupid to know they are stupid.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    In history it is never treason if you win.

    “Treason doth never prosper? What’s the reason?
    for if it prosper, none dare call it treason”

    John Harington (1560-1612)
    (otherwise best known as the inventor of the flush toilet)

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @for-the-record

    Old dead white guy who will be forgotten by history. Good.

  9. That coincided with the inflection point of the American left’s view of immigration, when the Democrat party substantially completed its transition from positioning itself as the party of the American working class to the party of the globally aspirational.

    And if the Corporatist filth of the Republican Party were not so stupidly cheap ten dollar whores, they’d recognize the opportunity.

  10. @for-the-record
    @neutral

    In history it is never treason if you win.

    "Treason doth never prosper? What's the reason?
    for if it prosper, none dare call it treason"

    John Harington (1560-1612)
    (otherwise best known as the inventor of the flush toilet)

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    Old dead white guy who will be forgotten by history. Good.

  11. Nobody is against immigration anymore (except for the paranoid schizophrenics in the dissident right) because all of the predictions that anti-immigrationists made about immigrants turned out to be false:

    – They said they would bring more crime, thay was false (crime steadily decreased for the last 30 years and immigrants are less likely to be criminals aside from migrating illegally)

    – They said it would increase littering, but littering is down 61% since 1969. White people were the actual litterers:

    https://kab.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/LitterinAmerica_FactSheet_LitteringBehavior.pdf

    The actual count of overall litter is down by 61% since 1969. This decrease, a result of successful education, ongoing cleanup efforts and changes in packaging, is reflected in dramatic reductions of paper, metal and glass litter since 1969. Plastic litter has increased by 165% since 1969.

    – They said it would wreck the economy, but every right wing prediction about the economy turned out to be bullshat. The economy keeps soaring to record highs, and the only problems with the economy (such as overpriced housing) are caused by white Christian Republicans.

    – They said it would destroy the environment, but there are more trees and green spaces than ever before.

    Let’s face it, you anti-immigrant schmucks never had any interest in improving this country or doing anything noble. All you wanted to do was buy some more time so you could continue the sick, amoral, evil culture of surrogate activities, LARPing, love of money, and disgusting, low-quality women.

    You were never going to make an improved society, you just wanted to kick the can down the road so you could continue playing around, like a brat who doesn’t want to go bed and wants a “midnight snack” ever hour of the morning. You were never going to increase the national fertility rate, boost marriage, fix the housing crisis, or sell your false religion to the young. So you project your impotent rage on to “immigrants”.

    But they aren’t immigrants, you’re emigrants. Natural selection is removing you from this reality. The new Americans aren’t the bad guys, you were.

    • LOL: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Daniel H
    @JohnPlywood

    Shut up cuck.

    , @Boomthorkell
    @JohnPlywood

    I remember an Indian immigrant being annoyed at the begging African children that started coming by his shop, going, "I moved here to get away from this."

    Anyhow, what's your take on India and these issues? I don't really mind the criticism, I'm more wondering about your own society's policies and how you feel about that. As far as I recall, no one outside of America and Europe is chomping at the bit for unlimited migration flow from all corners and all types.

    Sailer's done a few things on this, but if I recall, White people litter less these days, while certain other group litter more, Hispanics being a contributor.

    As far as the economy... Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China's economy has helped all of China, and isn't just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as "complicated" growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    Every time I clear my cookies, my Commenters to ignore list gets erased, and I end up reading more dumb shit like this from you and Jonathan Mason.


    You were never going to... sell your false religion to the young.
     
    LOL.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @JohnPlywood

    Overpriced housing is largely a result of two things, the Fed's easy money policy and continued population increase.

  12. OT but on a key ‘survey’ – the world’s ’10 Happiest Countries’ via the ‘2021 World Happiness Report’

    Aside from New Zealand, the other 9 are nearly all of the non-Anglo Germanic-language countries of Europe: the 5 Scandinavian countries (Finnish is non-Germanic but Finland also has Swedish speakers), the 3 with the most native German speakers, and the Netherlands

    What is odd about this, is how many of these countries have a reputation for somewhat dour, grumpy, or brooding people … some with a high suicide rate … a couple with increasingly large-scale social & urban crime problems … residents of all of these alleged ‘happy lands’, going on vacations to countries along the Mediterranean, which their own populations find ‘happier’ and ‘more enjoying life’ than at home

    It it just that these northern countries have people who feel obliged to claim ‘happiness’ when responding to a survey?

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @brabantian

    Those people are not "dour, grumpy, or brooding people," as you say, but calm, reserved and not as in-your-face as others. Polite people who know how to control themselves make a happy country.

    Americans mistakenly assume that a European who doesn't smile like a fool all the time is unhappy or angry, or even rude. I know all about this because wife came here from a country and people you would say are "dour, grumpy, or brooding." You would be wrong. They are smart, realistic, world-weary, and they smile beautifully when there is a genuine reason to.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jay Fink

  13. I’m an outsider, but it seems that socially-liberal PMC types realize that under American Oligarchy, their middle-class status is dependent on a poorly-paid proletariat underneath it. One illuminating aspect of spending too much time on social media is discovering how much these people hate the working class.

  14. Stolen elections have predictably negative consequences.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @Stargazer

    The election was not stolen.

    Replies: @anon

  15. @Stargazer
    Stolen elections have predictably negative consequences.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    The election was not stolen.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Show us the ballots, let us perform forensic audits on all the "machines" and all the paper ballots then.

    Prove us wrong.

    Whaddaya have to lose? If it was an honest election, you could easily prove us wrong.

    Instead, all the election materials, which are public domain public property, are hidden away. What are you hiding?

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

  16. It’s hard to fathom that less than twenty years ago, liberals were more than three times as likely to say immigration to the US should be decreased as they were to say that it should be increased. Now they are over twice as likely to say the opposite. The past, even the recent past, is a foreign (heh) country.

    The Plutocrats and the top ten percent Upper Middle Class use mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration to suppress the wage inflation that would normally occur during money-grubbing bouts of monetary extremism.

    The nasty and evil Plutocrats and the top ten percent Upper Middle Class lots are the ones benefiting the most from the asset bubble creation of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and they have gotten the inflation they want in the asset prices they own.

    It is also intergenerational in that those born before 1965 have also screwed everybody else over and stolen wealth like filthy bandits with no shame and once again they have been the generational cohort that has benefited the most from the multiple series of asset bubbles created by the monetary extremism of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank since 1981.

    Immigration has been weaponized by the money-grubbing Plutocrat slobs and the top ten percent Upper Middle Class oafs and it is pure evil of a most monstrous and disgusting sort.

    The nasty globalizer Plutocrats and the top ten percent Upper Middle Class scum use accusations of so-called “racism” and so-called “anti-semitism” and the like to keep the mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration floodgates wide open.

    Fat ass baby boomer Trump and the top ten percent Upper Middle Class slobs are now calling for the foreigners to be flooded into the USA “in the largest numbers ever” and the rancid Reagan/Bush Republican Party and the vile sleazebags in Conservatism Inc. will do everything they can to crush the 90 percent of honorable and decent and patriotic and virtuous American citizens by using monetary policy and immigration policy to attack and destroy the fine people in the Middle Class and the regular American people.

    The Pewitt Plan to financially liquidate the greedy and nasty globalizer Plutocrats and their money-grubbing minions in the vile and atrocious top ten percent Upper Middle Class is simple:

    Three itsy-bitsy federal funds rate hikes that will take us from zero federal funds rate to 6 percent and we’ll stretch and drink a beer and wait a bit and then from 6 percent to 10 percent and then to twenty percent federal funds rate and stop all asset purchases and government bond buying and stop all the mortgage-backed securities purchases of the Federal Reserve Bank and combine that with an immigration moratorium and the instant and immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders and then the revocation of citizenship and the removal of most foreigners and their spawn to get the population of the USA back to 220 million like it was in 1978.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW

    DEPORT THE ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW

    REMOVE THE FOREIGNERS AND THEIR SPAWN NOW

    TWENTY PERCENT FEDERAL FUNDS RATE NOW

    STOP THE MONETARY EXTREMISM NOW

  17. Tweets from 2015:

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Charles Pewitt

    As a top 10%er: thanks, wagecucks. Keep making me money

  18. Anonymous[351] • Disclaimer says:

    It is my belief that the majority of third worlders are here in this country because they are looking for gastarbeiter work. A few are high on the American dream and they believe their intelligence and capital will let them reach further here than in their homeland.

    If it will become really unpleasant to live in America, then all of these people will go back to their motherland.

  19. @brabantian
    OT but on a key 'survey' - the world's '10 Happiest Countries' via the '2021 World Happiness Report'

    Aside from New Zealand, the other 9 are nearly all of the non-Anglo Germanic-language countries of Europe: the 5 Scandinavian countries (Finnish is non-Germanic but Finland also has Swedish speakers), the 3 with the most native German speakers, and the Netherlands

    What is odd about this, is how many of these countries have a reputation for somewhat dour, grumpy, or brooding people ... some with a high suicide rate ... a couple with increasingly large-scale social & urban crime problems ... residents of all of these alleged 'happy lands', going on vacations to countries along the Mediterranean, which their own populations find 'happier' and 'more enjoying life' than at home

    It it just that these northern countries have people who feel obliged to claim 'happiness' when responding to a survey?
    https://twitter.com/dw_europe/status/1373186296164843520

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Those people are not “dour, grumpy, or brooding people,” as you say, but calm, reserved and not as in-your-face as others. Polite people who know how to control themselves make a happy country.

    Americans mistakenly assume that a European who doesn’t smile like a fool all the time is unhappy or angry, or even rude. I know all about this because wife came here from a country and people you would say are “dour, grumpy, or brooding.” You would be wrong. They are smart, realistic, world-weary, and they smile beautifully when there is a genuine reason to.

    • Agree: Paperback Writer
    • Troll: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "wife came here from a country"

    Lol you don't have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Jay Fink
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The one and only thing I like about wearing a mask is nobody tells me to smile.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

  20. I call B.S. No way conservatives would be less immigration restrictionist in 2018 vs. 2004.

    If there is any issue (other than on Trump himself) that a diahonest push-survey would be promulgated it is immigration.

  21. @Twinkie

    The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.
     
    I consider that treason, pure and simple, especially if those "million of foreigners" are here illegally or on non-immigrant visas.

    Replies: @neutral, @Paperback Writer, @anon, @216

    Me, too. That and a quarter will get you nothing.

  22. Be interesting to see what the reaction is when the 2020 census is released and we learn that there aren’t 330 million people here but closer to 350 or even 375. I think we can expect lengthy, beard scratching analyses in all the usual news outlets (NYT, WaPo, NPR, et al) marveling at the numbers and struggling mightily to come up with an explanation that doesn’t directly implicate immigration. Or, they’ll assert that America’s population had stopped growing because of something or other that America’s (white) men did, and so both to get the population growing again and punish those responsible the doors had to be flung open to the world’s semi-literate peasants.

  23. Looks like immigration restriction is becoming less popular across the board, with a 9% decrease even among conservatives.

  24. @MattinLA
    My liberal wife just said today "why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants." Like this was 1992. Audacious has a disturbing tendency of being proved correct. Given the total blind ignorance of today's white population, I feel he is right again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Neuday

    Lol congrats bro. She’s probably getting nailed by Tyrone now. You know how to pick ’em

  25. @Charles Pewitt
    https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1374323818035093505?s=20

    https://twitter.com/NorthmanTrader/status/1298923379001614338?s=20

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/625661529271066624?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/636154580322123776?s=20

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/600408072373280768?s=20

    Replies: @AndrewR

    As a top 10%er: thanks, wagecucks. Keep making me money

  26. @MattinLA
    My liberal wife just said today "why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants." Like this was 1992. Audacious has a disturbing tendency of being proved correct. Given the total blind ignorance of today's white population, I feel he is right again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Neuday

    I hope you corrected her. That would be “colonists,” not “immigrants.”

  27. @Buzz Mohawk
    @brabantian

    Those people are not "dour, grumpy, or brooding people," as you say, but calm, reserved and not as in-your-face as others. Polite people who know how to control themselves make a happy country.

    Americans mistakenly assume that a European who doesn't smile like a fool all the time is unhappy or angry, or even rude. I know all about this because wife came here from a country and people you would say are "dour, grumpy, or brooding." You would be wrong. They are smart, realistic, world-weary, and they smile beautifully when there is a genuine reason to.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jay Fink

    “wife came here from a country”

    Lol you don’t have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @AndrewR


    Lol you don’t have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

     

    I've mentioned it here so many times that I thought I would just leave it out, also because it isn't one of those Scandinavian places and I thought that fact would just confuse things.

    She is Hungarian, from Transylvania, which is in Romania. That means her people and language have more in common with the Finns than with the more Mediterranian Romanians themselves, and her culture has more in common with the Austrians and Germans. It's all very mixed up and confused, due to wars and treaties, you see.

    My point is that when I met her, she didn't smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans.

    Like you. Have a nice day. :)

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian

  28. @MattinLA
    My liberal wife just said today "why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants." Like this was 1992. Audacious has a disturbing tendency of being proved correct. Given the total blind ignorance of today's white population, I feel he is right again.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @Neuday

    My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.”

    I’m so sorry you’re married to one of those, but:

    (1) Do an nGram on “nation of immigrants” and you’ll find it wasn’t even a term until 1960, which is about the year that the ADL of B’nai B’rith published a book by that name, purportedly written by JFK.

    (2) If America was built on immigrants, please explain the Naturalization Act of 1790 – “The law limited naturalization to “free white person[s] … of good character”, thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians…”

    (3) It would be truer to say America was built without women voting. Look what’s happened since, and please be aware that intentions are far less meaningful than results.

    (4) If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn’t significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? Had the congressweasels been able to see the affect of their vote, does idiot wife think it still would’ve passed? Please be aware that Democrat congressscum were significantly less treasonous than today’s (except for the Jews, like Celler).

    (5) The poison is the dosage; just because you need sodium doesn’t mean you gorge on it, and it’s arguable whether America “needs” immigrants at all. We were a perfectly fine nation prior to the Hart-Celler bill. Even the Blacks in 1960 were better off then they are today.

    (6) Marriage was built on the ability of a man to correct his wife when she did or said stupid shit. “Husband” ORIGIN
    late Old English (in the senses ‘male head of a household’ and ‘manager, steward’), from Old Norse húsbóndi ‘master of a house’, from hús ‘house’ + bóndi ‘occupier and tiller of the soil’. The original sense of the verb was ‘till, cultivate’. Your wife has weeds in her brain, placed there by the Eternal Enemy. Please cultivate.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Neuday

    https://youtu.be/tctvupaQe8A

    , @Sgt. Joe Friday
    @Neuday


    "If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn’t significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? "
     
    1965: Our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants a year, the ethnic mix of the country will not be upset.

    1980: What's to worry about? There aren't that many of them.

    1986: This amnesty is a one-off. Then we'll secure the border.

    2000: What's not to like? We get cheap household help and all these interesting ethnic restaurants.

    2005: There are jobs Americans aren't willing to do, and besides, our economy would collapse if these people weren't here.

    2010: Our diversity is our strength!

    2021: You deserve it, bigot.

    , @AndrewR
    @Neuday

    Lmao go off, king

    Although to be more PC (and more accurate) I would say: marriage is supposed to be equitable overall, which includes the now-demonized right of a husband to use physical force to keep his wife in ljmine.

    Replies: @AndrewR

  29. @JohnPlywood
    Nobody is against immigration anymore (except for the paranoid schizophrenics in the dissident right) because all of the predictions that anti-immigrationists made about immigrants turned out to be false:


    - They said they would bring more crime, thay was false (crime steadily decreased for the last 30 years and immigrants are less likely to be criminals aside from migrating illegally)


    - They said it would increase littering, but littering is down 61% since 1969. White people were the actual litterers:

    https://kab.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/LitterinAmerica_FactSheet_LitteringBehavior.pdf


    The actual count of overall litter is down by 61% since 1969. This decrease, a result of successful education, ongoing cleanup efforts and changes in packaging, is reflected in dramatic reductions of paper, metal and glass litter since 1969. Plastic litter has increased by 165% since 1969.
     
    - They said it would wreck the economy, but every right wing prediction about the economy turned out to be bullshat. The economy keeps soaring to record highs, and the only problems with the economy (such as overpriced housing) are caused by white Christian Republicans.


    - They said it would destroy the environment, but there are more trees and green spaces than ever before.


    Let's face it, you anti-immigrant schmucks never had any interest in improving this country or doing anything noble. All you wanted to do was buy some more time so you could continue the sick, amoral, evil culture of surrogate activities, LARPing, love of money, and disgusting, low-quality women.

    You were never going to make an improved society, you just wanted to kick the can down the road so you could continue playing around, like a brat who doesn't want to go bed and wants a "midnight snack" ever hour of the morning. You were never going to increase the national fertility rate, boost marriage, fix the housing crisis, or sell your false religion to the young. So you project your impotent rage on to "immigrants".

    But they aren't immigrants, you're emigrants. Natural selection is removing you from this reality. The new Americans aren't the bad guys, you were.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Boomthorkell, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    Shut up cuck.

  30. @Neuday
    @MattinLA


    My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.”
     
    I'm so sorry you're married to one of those, but:

    (1) Do an nGram on "nation of immigrants" and you'll find it wasn't even a term until 1960, which is about the year that the ADL of B'nai B'rith published a book by that name, purportedly written by JFK.

    (2) If America was built on immigrants, please explain the Naturalization Act of 1790 - "The law limited naturalization to "free white person[s] ... of good character", thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians..."

    (3) It would be truer to say America was built without women voting. Look what's happened since, and please be aware that intentions are far less meaningful than results.

    (4) If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn't significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? Had the congressweasels been able to see the affect of their vote, does idiot wife think it still would've passed? Please be aware that Democrat congressscum were significantly less treasonous than today's (except for the Jews, like Celler).

    (5) The poison is the dosage; just because you need sodium doesn't mean you gorge on it, and it's arguable whether America "needs" immigrants at all. We were a perfectly fine nation prior to the Hart-Celler bill. Even the Blacks in 1960 were better off then they are today.

    (6) Marriage was built on the ability of a man to correct his wife when she did or said stupid shit. "Husband" ORIGIN
    late Old English (in the senses ‘male head of a household’ and ‘manager, steward’), from Old Norse húsbóndi ‘master of a house’, from hús ‘house’ + bóndi ‘occupier and tiller of the soil’. The original sense of the verb was ‘till, cultivate’. Your wife has weeds in her brain, placed there by the Eternal Enemy. Please cultivate.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @AndrewR

  31. @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    "wife came here from a country"

    Lol you don't have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Lol you don’t have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

    I’ve mentioned it here so many times that I thought I would just leave it out, also because it isn’t one of those Scandinavian places and I thought that fact would just confuse things.

    She is Hungarian, from Transylvania, which is in Romania. That means her people and language have more in common with the Finns than with the more Mediterranian Romanians themselves, and her culture has more in common with the Austrians and Germans. It’s all very mixed up and confused, due to wars and treaties, you see.

    My point is that when I met her, she didn’t smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans.

    Like you. Have a nice day. 🙂

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I mean, no offense to her or her loved ones, but the reason she didn't tend to smile at strangers because she was from a shithole, low-trust society. Our "dopey," "foolish" habit of smiling at strangers comes from our prosperity and high trust. Obviously this doesn't extend to the entire territory of the US which is why I strongly discourage you from being chatty and smiley with everyone you meet in the ghetto. But it obtains for a huge swath of our decreasingly-but-still beautiful society.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Paperback Writer, @Jay Fink

    , @Bardon Kaldian
    @Buzz Mohawk


    My point is that when I met her, she didn’t smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans
     
    She was right.
  32. @Neuday
    @MattinLA


    My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.”
     
    I'm so sorry you're married to one of those, but:

    (1) Do an nGram on "nation of immigrants" and you'll find it wasn't even a term until 1960, which is about the year that the ADL of B'nai B'rith published a book by that name, purportedly written by JFK.

    (2) If America was built on immigrants, please explain the Naturalization Act of 1790 - "The law limited naturalization to "free white person[s] ... of good character", thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians..."

    (3) It would be truer to say America was built without women voting. Look what's happened since, and please be aware that intentions are far less meaningful than results.

    (4) If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn't significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? Had the congressweasels been able to see the affect of their vote, does idiot wife think it still would've passed? Please be aware that Democrat congressscum were significantly less treasonous than today's (except for the Jews, like Celler).

    (5) The poison is the dosage; just because you need sodium doesn't mean you gorge on it, and it's arguable whether America "needs" immigrants at all. We were a perfectly fine nation prior to the Hart-Celler bill. Even the Blacks in 1960 were better off then they are today.

    (6) Marriage was built on the ability of a man to correct his wife when she did or said stupid shit. "Husband" ORIGIN
    late Old English (in the senses ‘male head of a household’ and ‘manager, steward’), from Old Norse húsbóndi ‘master of a house’, from hús ‘house’ + bóndi ‘occupier and tiller of the soil’. The original sense of the verb was ‘till, cultivate’. Your wife has weeds in her brain, placed there by the Eternal Enemy. Please cultivate.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @AndrewR

    “If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn’t significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? “

    1965: Our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants a year, the ethnic mix of the country will not be upset.

    1980: What’s to worry about? There aren’t that many of them.

    1986: This amnesty is a one-off. Then we’ll secure the border.

    2000: What’s not to like? We get cheap household help and all these interesting ethnic restaurants.

    2005: There are jobs Americans aren’t willing to do, and besides, our economy would collapse if these people weren’t here.

    2010: Our diversity is our strength!

    2021: You deserve it, bigot.

  33. @Buzz Mohawk
    @AndrewR


    Lol you don’t have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

     

    I've mentioned it here so many times that I thought I would just leave it out, also because it isn't one of those Scandinavian places and I thought that fact would just confuse things.

    She is Hungarian, from Transylvania, which is in Romania. That means her people and language have more in common with the Finns than with the more Mediterranian Romanians themselves, and her culture has more in common with the Austrians and Germans. It's all very mixed up and confused, due to wars and treaties, you see.

    My point is that when I met her, she didn't smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans.

    Like you. Have a nice day. :)

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian

    I mean, no offense to her or her loved ones, but the reason she didn’t tend to smile at strangers because she was from a shithole, low-trust society. Our “dopey,” “foolish” habit of smiling at strangers comes from our prosperity and high trust. Obviously this doesn’t extend to the entire territory of the US which is why I strongly discourage you from being chatty and smiley with everyone you meet in the ghetto. But it obtains for a huge swath of our decreasingly-but-still beautiful society.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AndrewR

    Wrong. Your propensity for an upbeat, smiling disposition is resultant of being in a young country that's hardly been through the tragedies on the scale of say, Germany in the 30 years War, or Eastern Europe in WWII.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    , @Paperback Writer
    @AndrewR

    Haven't traveled much, have you, AndrewR?

    Central and Eastern European women are some of the most charming, beguiling ladies in the world. They tend to be a bit aloof with the opposite sex, as traditional ladies usually are. It's smart, and it's feminine. Only in the Anglosphere do you find overly friendly, loud women. They should learn the art of feminine allure from their Slavic sisters.

    , @Jay Fink
    @AndrewR

    It is ironic that Americans smile so much yet a high number are on antidepressants.

  34. @JohnPlywood
    Nobody is against immigration anymore (except for the paranoid schizophrenics in the dissident right) because all of the predictions that anti-immigrationists made about immigrants turned out to be false:


    - They said they would bring more crime, thay was false (crime steadily decreased for the last 30 years and immigrants are less likely to be criminals aside from migrating illegally)


    - They said it would increase littering, but littering is down 61% since 1969. White people were the actual litterers:

    https://kab.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/LitterinAmerica_FactSheet_LitteringBehavior.pdf


    The actual count of overall litter is down by 61% since 1969. This decrease, a result of successful education, ongoing cleanup efforts and changes in packaging, is reflected in dramatic reductions of paper, metal and glass litter since 1969. Plastic litter has increased by 165% since 1969.
     
    - They said it would wreck the economy, but every right wing prediction about the economy turned out to be bullshat. The economy keeps soaring to record highs, and the only problems with the economy (such as overpriced housing) are caused by white Christian Republicans.


    - They said it would destroy the environment, but there are more trees and green spaces than ever before.


    Let's face it, you anti-immigrant schmucks never had any interest in improving this country or doing anything noble. All you wanted to do was buy some more time so you could continue the sick, amoral, evil culture of surrogate activities, LARPing, love of money, and disgusting, low-quality women.

    You were never going to make an improved society, you just wanted to kick the can down the road so you could continue playing around, like a brat who doesn't want to go bed and wants a "midnight snack" ever hour of the morning. You were never going to increase the national fertility rate, boost marriage, fix the housing crisis, or sell your false religion to the young. So you project your impotent rage on to "immigrants".

    But they aren't immigrants, you're emigrants. Natural selection is removing you from this reality. The new Americans aren't the bad guys, you were.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Boomthorkell, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    I remember an Indian immigrant being annoyed at the begging African children that started coming by his shop, going, “I moved here to get away from this.”

    Anyhow, what’s your take on India and these issues? I don’t really mind the criticism, I’m more wondering about your own society’s policies and how you feel about that. As far as I recall, no one outside of America and Europe is chomping at the bit for unlimited migration flow from all corners and all types.

    Sailer’s done a few things on this, but if I recall, White people litter less these days, while certain other group litter more, Hispanics being a contributor.

    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

  35. @Neuday
    @MattinLA


    My liberal wife just said today “why are we restricting immigrants? America is built on immigrants.”
     
    I'm so sorry you're married to one of those, but:

    (1) Do an nGram on "nation of immigrants" and you'll find it wasn't even a term until 1960, which is about the year that the ADL of B'nai B'rith published a book by that name, purportedly written by JFK.

    (2) If America was built on immigrants, please explain the Naturalization Act of 1790 - "The law limited naturalization to "free white person[s] ... of good character", thus excluding Native Americans, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks and later Asians..."

    (3) It would be truer to say America was built without women voting. Look what's happened since, and please be aware that intentions are far less meaningful than results.

    (4) If a nation of immigrants, then why was Hart-Celler Immigration Act passed with the promise that it wouldn't significantly alter the racial makeup of the cities? Had the congressweasels been able to see the affect of their vote, does idiot wife think it still would've passed? Please be aware that Democrat congressscum were significantly less treasonous than today's (except for the Jews, like Celler).

    (5) The poison is the dosage; just because you need sodium doesn't mean you gorge on it, and it's arguable whether America "needs" immigrants at all. We were a perfectly fine nation prior to the Hart-Celler bill. Even the Blacks in 1960 were better off then they are today.

    (6) Marriage was built on the ability of a man to correct his wife when she did or said stupid shit. "Husband" ORIGIN
    late Old English (in the senses ‘male head of a household’ and ‘manager, steward’), from Old Norse húsbóndi ‘master of a house’, from hús ‘house’ + bóndi ‘occupier and tiller of the soil’. The original sense of the verb was ‘till, cultivate’. Your wife has weeds in her brain, placed there by the Eternal Enemy. Please cultivate.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Sgt. Joe Friday, @AndrewR

    Lmao go off, king

    Although to be more PC (and more accurate) I would say: marriage is supposed to be equitable overall, which includes the now-demonized right of a husband to use physical force to keep his wife in ljmine.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @AndrewR

    *in line*

    Wives, of course, have always had and will always have ways to keep their men in line.

  36. @AndrewR
    @Neuday

    Lmao go off, king

    Although to be more PC (and more accurate) I would say: marriage is supposed to be equitable overall, which includes the now-demonized right of a husband to use physical force to keep his wife in ljmine.

    Replies: @AndrewR

    *in line*

    Wives, of course, have always had and will always have ways to keep their men in line.

  37. @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I mean, no offense to her or her loved ones, but the reason she didn't tend to smile at strangers because she was from a shithole, low-trust society. Our "dopey," "foolish" habit of smiling at strangers comes from our prosperity and high trust. Obviously this doesn't extend to the entire territory of the US which is why I strongly discourage you from being chatty and smiley with everyone you meet in the ghetto. But it obtains for a huge swath of our decreasingly-but-still beautiful society.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Paperback Writer, @Jay Fink

    Wrong. Your propensity for an upbeat, smiling disposition is resultant of being in a young country that’s hardly been through the tragedies on the scale of say, Germany in the 30 years War, or Eastern Europe in WWII.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    America in a way had a beautiful naiveity and purity to it. Things went down hill after the Philippines.

    People make a lot of the Native Genocides and Mexican War, but those are events that basically every people have gone through (genocide\assimilation of weaker peoples\nomads, and wars of expansion.) The Racial Caste Slavery was certainly an innovation (while others happily enslaved Africans, they usually had other slave races and generally either integrated blacks or never let them become a population issue) and one with terrible long-term consequences (they didn't need to be so terrible, but it is what it is) and also the mass importation of slave-stock Europeans in the 1860s-1910s.

    Anyhow, with the Philippines, America started becoming "Just Another Colonial European Power", rather than a potential source of freedom and support for world liberation movements (the alt-history America that stands alongside Russia, other nations, and generally just trades with people), and WWII sealed the deal by catapulting America into the vehicle of global hegemony.

    Had our experience in WWII been as terrible as the rest of the world's ( "enemy" or "friend") our people would have been tired and wary instead of exuberant, and our leaders inwardly focused, and only outwardly when it helped the inward. Them's the breaks though, and here we are.

    As a large part of America's population languishes in the slow-death of ennui, and it's leadership portion and other classes try to repaint the vehicle and see if it sticks, we may yet have our chance to truly, truly learn through suffering.

    A shame it had to come to that, but it's always a shame I suppose. No country lives up to a portion of their dreams forever.

  38. @Twinkie

    The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.
     
    I consider that treason, pure and simple, especially if those "million of foreigners" are here illegally or on non-immigrant visas.

    Replies: @neutral, @Paperback Writer, @anon, @216

    “Treason” requires a functioning nation-state, one that has a will to survive, against which to commit the treasonous acts.

    Is the United States still a functioning nation-state?

  39. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:
    @Supply and Demand
    @Stargazer

    The election was not stolen.

    Replies: @anon

    Show us the ballots, let us perform forensic audits on all the “machines” and all the paper ballots then.

    Prove us wrong.

    Whaddaya have to lose? If it was an honest election, you could easily prove us wrong.

    Instead, all the election materials, which are public domain public property, are hidden away. What are you hiding?

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @anon

    You’re making the assertion it was illegitimate, which is borderline domestic terrorism. The burden of proof is on you.

  40. @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I mean, no offense to her or her loved ones, but the reason she didn't tend to smile at strangers because she was from a shithole, low-trust society. Our "dopey," "foolish" habit of smiling at strangers comes from our prosperity and high trust. Obviously this doesn't extend to the entire territory of the US which is why I strongly discourage you from being chatty and smiley with everyone you meet in the ghetto. But it obtains for a huge swath of our decreasingly-but-still beautiful society.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Paperback Writer, @Jay Fink

    Haven’t traveled much, have you, AndrewR?

    Central and Eastern European women are some of the most charming, beguiling ladies in the world. They tend to be a bit aloof with the opposite sex, as traditional ladies usually are. It’s smart, and it’s feminine. Only in the Anglosphere do you find overly friendly, loud women. They should learn the art of feminine allure from their Slavic sisters.

    • Agree: Jay Fink
  41. anon[379] • Disclaimer says:

    In 1988 he was held forth as a “conservative” of sorts.

    George H.W. Bush signed the legislation that ballooned legal immigration numbers from about 300,000 per year to a million (1,000,000) per year.

    He started the uniparty/globalist policies of:

    – invade the world
    – invite the world
    – in hoc with the world.

    Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama, and now Biden the Puppet, all have these same policies.

    George H.W. Bush did more damage to America than Tojo and Hirohito’s Japanese Imperial Navy and Army that “Poppy” fought against in WWII.

    • Agree: Daniel H
  42. @Twinkie

    The granting of legal residency to the tens of millions of foreigners present in the US is coming, if not prior to the 2022 mid-terms then almost certainly before the 2024 presidential election.
     
    I consider that treason, pure and simple, especially if those "million of foreigners" are here illegally or on non-immigrant visas.

    Replies: @neutral, @Paperback Writer, @anon, @216

    I’d rather live under Russian or Chinese rule than perma-left Democrat rule.

  43. It’s significant that after 2008, the number of conservatives that favored decrease dropped by 10 points.

    “Wokeservatism” has room to grow, but for now it has bad messengers.

    That might change, and we must hope it does not.

  44. @Boomthorkell
    @JohnPlywood

    I remember an Indian immigrant being annoyed at the begging African children that started coming by his shop, going, "I moved here to get away from this."

    Anyhow, what's your take on India and these issues? I don't really mind the criticism, I'm more wondering about your own society's policies and how you feel about that. As far as I recall, no one outside of America and Europe is chomping at the bit for unlimited migration flow from all corners and all types.

    Sailer's done a few things on this, but if I recall, White people litter less these days, while certain other group litter more, Hispanics being a contributor.

    As far as the economy... Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China's economy has helped all of China, and isn't just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as "complicated" growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can’t give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I’m Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn’t need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don’t have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.

    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That’s a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That’s what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @JohnPlywood

    Ah, that makes some sense. An atheist Indian seemed surprising.

    Well, me too, though, then, you must think I'm a swarthy half-breed, ha ha.

    I appreciate the egalitarianism of your misanthropy, and purity of your skewed
    and incorrect values (I mean, do you think the Africans or Afghanistan will inherit the earth? Do you want them too? Why is India excused but not China?), though I'm still in disagreement with you on the economy. Horse Nomadism was a powerful civilizational choice for a time, but even they lost to the truly productive and civilizing forces eventually. Let's see in a decade where things go. Winner gets...to be right, I guess.

    Hmm, what does a Mexican live like?

    At least you're a consistent troll, if that is the case.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    , @Daniel H
    @JohnPlywood

    The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known

    So you're a Wall Street cuck. The absolute worst type of white man.

    , @anon
    @JohnPlywood

    I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    Now to be doing the needful "heh heh heh". Go on, you know you want to.

    , @Supply and Demand
    @JohnPlywood

    What is the level of white/Indian mixing do you think? The British weren’t that much into race-mixing (their loss considering how inbred their teeth look) and Portuguese Goa isn’t all that large. I’ve met 5 or 6 halfbreeds before — all were Portuguese + Dravidian. It seems like in America most of the immigration is upper caste, and won’t marry their daughters to whites.

    All in all, the Portuguese seem to have had it right — the places where they conquered and racemixed seem to have quite favorable opinions of the pater familias. Macau has become more lusophilic since joining China. The halfbreed Macanese also have some of the most beautiful women I’ve seen in the country, if a bit short for my taste. Same for Timor.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @JohnPlywood

    I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.

    Your views are your views and so the schoolmarm allows it because and only because of this.

  45. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AndrewR

    Wrong. Your propensity for an upbeat, smiling disposition is resultant of being in a young country that's hardly been through the tragedies on the scale of say, Germany in the 30 years War, or Eastern Europe in WWII.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    America in a way had a beautiful naiveity and purity to it. Things went down hill after the Philippines.

    People make a lot of the Native Genocides and Mexican War, but those are events that basically every people have gone through (genocide\assimilation of weaker peoples\nomads, and wars of expansion.) The Racial Caste Slavery was certainly an innovation (while others happily enslaved Africans, they usually had other slave races and generally either integrated blacks or never let them become a population issue) and one with terrible long-term consequences (they didn’t need to be so terrible, but it is what it is) and also the mass importation of slave-stock Europeans in the 1860s-1910s.

    Anyhow, with the Philippines, America started becoming “Just Another Colonial European Power”, rather than a potential source of freedom and support for world liberation movements (the alt-history America that stands alongside Russia, other nations, and generally just trades with people), and WWII sealed the deal by catapulting America into the vehicle of global hegemony.

    Had our experience in WWII been as terrible as the rest of the world’s ( “enemy” or “friend”) our people would have been tired and wary instead of exuberant, and our leaders inwardly focused, and only outwardly when it helped the inward. Them’s the breaks though, and here we are.

    As a large part of America’s population languishes in the slow-death of ennui, and it’s leadership portion and other classes try to repaint the vehicle and see if it sticks, we may yet have our chance to truly, truly learn through suffering.

    A shame it had to come to that, but it’s always a shame I suppose. No country lives up to a portion of their dreams forever.

  46. @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

    Ah, that makes some sense. An atheist Indian seemed surprising.

    Well, me too, though, then, you must think I’m a swarthy half-breed, ha ha.

    I appreciate the egalitarianism of your misanthropy, and purity of your skewed
    and incorrect values (I mean, do you think the Africans or Afghanistan will inherit the earth? Do you want them too? Why is India excused but not China?), though I’m still in disagreement with you on the economy. Horse Nomadism was a powerful civilizational choice for a time, but even they lost to the truly productive and civilizing forces eventually. Let’s see in a decade where things go. Winner gets…to be right, I guess.

    Hmm, what does a Mexican live like?

    At least you’re a consistent troll, if that is the case.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Boomthorkell


    ... though I’m still in disagreement with you on the economy.
     
    You have mentioned “the derivative economy.” What is it? How is it strong?

    The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America.
     
    Well, no, China could not tell TSMC that as far as I know, except by invading Taiwan; but meanwhile, I gather that I am missing your point. Would you like to explain more?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  47. @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

    The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known

    So you’re a Wall Street cuck. The absolute worst type of white man.

  48. @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

    I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    Now to be doing the needful “heh heh heh”. Go on, you know you want to.

  49. @anon
    @Supply and Demand

    Show us the ballots, let us perform forensic audits on all the "machines" and all the paper ballots then.

    Prove us wrong.

    Whaddaya have to lose? If it was an honest election, you could easily prove us wrong.

    Instead, all the election materials, which are public domain public property, are hidden away. What are you hiding?

    Replies: @Supply and Demand

    You’re making the assertion it was illegitimate, which is borderline domestic terrorism. The burden of proof is on you.

  50. @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

    What is the level of white/Indian mixing do you think? The British weren’t that much into race-mixing (their loss considering how inbred their teeth look) and Portuguese Goa isn’t all that large. I’ve met 5 or 6 halfbreeds before — all were Portuguese + Dravidian. It seems like in America most of the immigration is upper caste, and won’t marry their daughters to whites.

    All in all, the Portuguese seem to have had it right — the places where they conquered and racemixed seem to have quite favorable opinions of the pater familias. Macau has become more lusophilic since joining China. The halfbreed Macanese also have some of the most beautiful women I’ve seen in the country, if a bit short for my taste. Same for Timor.

  51. @Buzz Mohawk
    @brabantian

    Those people are not "dour, grumpy, or brooding people," as you say, but calm, reserved and not as in-your-face as others. Polite people who know how to control themselves make a happy country.

    Americans mistakenly assume that a European who doesn't smile like a fool all the time is unhappy or angry, or even rude. I know all about this because wife came here from a country and people you would say are "dour, grumpy, or brooding." You would be wrong. They are smart, realistic, world-weary, and they smile beautifully when there is a genuine reason to.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Jay Fink

    The one and only thing I like about wearing a mask is nobody tells me to smile.

    • Replies: @Paperback Writer
    @Jay Fink

    That, plus the social distancing means I don't have to pretend to be polite to people. Avoidance has its upsides.

    Did you hear about this guy? I hope he stays shut up in his world.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/society/after-covid-racism/

  52. @AndrewR
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I mean, no offense to her or her loved ones, but the reason she didn't tend to smile at strangers because she was from a shithole, low-trust society. Our "dopey," "foolish" habit of smiling at strangers comes from our prosperity and high trust. Obviously this doesn't extend to the entire territory of the US which is why I strongly discourage you from being chatty and smiley with everyone you meet in the ghetto. But it obtains for a huge swath of our decreasingly-but-still beautiful society.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Paperback Writer, @Jay Fink

    It is ironic that Americans smile so much yet a high number are on antidepressants.

  53. @Buzz Mohawk
    @AndrewR


    Lol you don’t have a wife, liar. If you did you would know, for starters, what country she was from.

     

    I've mentioned it here so many times that I thought I would just leave it out, also because it isn't one of those Scandinavian places and I thought that fact would just confuse things.

    She is Hungarian, from Transylvania, which is in Romania. That means her people and language have more in common with the Finns than with the more Mediterranian Romanians themselves, and her culture has more in common with the Austrians and Germans. It's all very mixed up and confused, due to wars and treaties, you see.

    My point is that when I met her, she didn't smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans.

    Like you. Have a nice day. :)

    Replies: @AndrewR, @Bardon Kaldian

    My point is that when I met her, she didn’t smile unless there was a good reason. Over time, I have helped her adopt the dopey fool smile I have always used to charm my fellow Americans

    She was right.

  54. @JohnPlywood
    Nobody is against immigration anymore (except for the paranoid schizophrenics in the dissident right) because all of the predictions that anti-immigrationists made about immigrants turned out to be false:


    - They said they would bring more crime, thay was false (crime steadily decreased for the last 30 years and immigrants are less likely to be criminals aside from migrating illegally)


    - They said it would increase littering, but littering is down 61% since 1969. White people were the actual litterers:

    https://kab.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/LitterinAmerica_FactSheet_LitteringBehavior.pdf


    The actual count of overall litter is down by 61% since 1969. This decrease, a result of successful education, ongoing cleanup efforts and changes in packaging, is reflected in dramatic reductions of paper, metal and glass litter since 1969. Plastic litter has increased by 165% since 1969.
     
    - They said it would wreck the economy, but every right wing prediction about the economy turned out to be bullshat. The economy keeps soaring to record highs, and the only problems with the economy (such as overpriced housing) are caused by white Christian Republicans.


    - They said it would destroy the environment, but there are more trees and green spaces than ever before.


    Let's face it, you anti-immigrant schmucks never had any interest in improving this country or doing anything noble. All you wanted to do was buy some more time so you could continue the sick, amoral, evil culture of surrogate activities, LARPing, love of money, and disgusting, low-quality women.

    You were never going to make an improved society, you just wanted to kick the can down the road so you could continue playing around, like a brat who doesn't want to go bed and wants a "midnight snack" ever hour of the morning. You were never going to increase the national fertility rate, boost marriage, fix the housing crisis, or sell your false religion to the young. So you project your impotent rage on to "immigrants".

    But they aren't immigrants, you're emigrants. Natural selection is removing you from this reality. The new Americans aren't the bad guys, you were.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Boomthorkell, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    Every time I clear my cookies, my Commenters to ignore list gets erased, and I end up reading more dumb shit like this from you and Jonathan Mason.

    You were never going to… sell your false religion to the young.

    LOL.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Chrisnonymous


    Every time I clear my cookies, my Commenters to ignore list gets erased,
     
    I use a TXT file to save my Blocked Commenters list. After making changes or clearing cache, the list can be easily pasted back into the website feature.

    PEACE 😇
  55. @Chrisnonymous
    @JohnPlywood

    Every time I clear my cookies, my Commenters to ignore list gets erased, and I end up reading more dumb shit like this from you and Jonathan Mason.


    You were never going to... sell your false religion to the young.
     
    LOL.

    Replies: @A123

    Every time I clear my cookies, my Commenters to ignore list gets erased,

    I use a TXT file to save my Blocked Commenters list. After making changes or clearing cache, the list can be easily pasted back into the website feature.

    PEACE 😇

  56. @Boomthorkell
    @JohnPlywood

    Ah, that makes some sense. An atheist Indian seemed surprising.

    Well, me too, though, then, you must think I'm a swarthy half-breed, ha ha.

    I appreciate the egalitarianism of your misanthropy, and purity of your skewed
    and incorrect values (I mean, do you think the Africans or Afghanistan will inherit the earth? Do you want them too? Why is India excused but not China?), though I'm still in disagreement with you on the economy. Horse Nomadism was a powerful civilizational choice for a time, but even they lost to the truly productive and civilizing forces eventually. Let's see in a decade where things go. Winner gets...to be right, I guess.

    Hmm, what does a Mexican live like?

    At least you're a consistent troll, if that is the case.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    … though I’m still in disagreement with you on the economy.

    You have mentioned “the derivative economy.” What is it? How is it strong?

    The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America.

    Well, no, China could not tell TSMC that as far as I know, except by invading Taiwan; but meanwhile, I gather that I am missing your point. Would you like to explain more?

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Ah, I didn't say the second part, that was him.

    As for the "Derivatives Economy," it's basically a shorthand for our hyper-financialized economy that focuses on "Derivatives" which is...basically speculation, writ-large. It's not a bad thing per se, it just shouldn't be the majority of the economy. Fractional-Reserve banking and derivatives tend to be responsible for a lot of America's "Growth." Again, this wouldn't be bad if the wealth conjured into being was then used to build things or invest in companies. It is not. Michael Hudson talks a lot about this, and there is a Canadian guy on the Saker who is also fund of talking about "Industrial Economies." More write on this of course, and it's a common enough topic of discussion here on Unz in regards to US vs. Other Economies (like China.) My disagreement with JohnPlywood was that he claims an economy based off of speculation is stronger than, let's say, China's or potential-Russia's, or an alternate America that just kept building things.

    For me, it was only "more powerful" because of the system of vassalage that surrounds it. Once the artificial protections are gone, it cannot exist in its current form, but China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.

    Anyhow, if America's financial global empire continues to power into the future, undaunted and unabashed, then I will admit I am wrong. However, I suspect the people actually employing their populations and making things will triumph in the end.

    Replies: @A123

  57. @V. K. Ovelund
    @Boomthorkell


    ... though I’m still in disagreement with you on the economy.
     
    You have mentioned “the derivative economy.” What is it? How is it strong?

    The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America.
     
    Well, no, China could not tell TSMC that as far as I know, except by invading Taiwan; but meanwhile, I gather that I am missing your point. Would you like to explain more?

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Ah, I didn’t say the second part, that was him.

    As for the “Derivatives Economy,” it’s basically a shorthand for our hyper-financialized economy that focuses on “Derivatives” which is…basically speculation, writ-large. It’s not a bad thing per se, it just shouldn’t be the majority of the economy. Fractional-Reserve banking and derivatives tend to be responsible for a lot of America’s “Growth.” Again, this wouldn’t be bad if the wealth conjured into being was then used to build things or invest in companies. It is not. Michael Hudson talks a lot about this, and there is a Canadian guy on the Saker who is also fund of talking about “Industrial Economies.” More write on this of course, and it’s a common enough topic of discussion here on Unz in regards to US vs. Other Economies (like China.) My disagreement with JohnPlywood was that he claims an economy based off of speculation is stronger than, let’s say, China’s or potential-Russia’s, or an alternate America that just kept building things.

    For me, it was only “more powerful” because of the system of vassalage that surrounds it. Once the artificial protections are gone, it cannot exist in its current form, but China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.

    Anyhow, if America’s financial global empire continues to power into the future, undaunted and unabashed, then I will admit I am wrong. However, I suspect the people actually employing their populations and making things will triumph in the end.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @A123
    @Boomthorkell


    China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.
     
    The Elite CCP financial "State-conomy" makes the U.S. "Derivative Economy" look good by comparison. The Chinese financial sector is under orders to fund State Owned Enterprises [SOE] with debt that can never be repaid.

    Worse yet, those SOE's spent much of the money over developing specific sectors for based on the Export & Exploit concept. The WUHAN-19 debacle has focused many nations on the need to "Localize National Security Production". Without easily victimized laissez-faire markets, highly inefficient SOE's will have no longer be able to exploit foreign consumption.

    How long can the SOE "State-conomy" keep the fiction going? No one knows for sure. However, any global currency crisis would immediately restrict PRC Exploitation via Exports delivering a brutal blow to the CCP Elites.

    Purchasing the Harris/Biden administration gives Chinese Elites a temporary reprieve, not a solution.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/03-playin-biden-dt-1080-1050x750.jpg

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  58. @Boomthorkell
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Ah, I didn't say the second part, that was him.

    As for the "Derivatives Economy," it's basically a shorthand for our hyper-financialized economy that focuses on "Derivatives" which is...basically speculation, writ-large. It's not a bad thing per se, it just shouldn't be the majority of the economy. Fractional-Reserve banking and derivatives tend to be responsible for a lot of America's "Growth." Again, this wouldn't be bad if the wealth conjured into being was then used to build things or invest in companies. It is not. Michael Hudson talks a lot about this, and there is a Canadian guy on the Saker who is also fund of talking about "Industrial Economies." More write on this of course, and it's a common enough topic of discussion here on Unz in regards to US vs. Other Economies (like China.) My disagreement with JohnPlywood was that he claims an economy based off of speculation is stronger than, let's say, China's or potential-Russia's, or an alternate America that just kept building things.

    For me, it was only "more powerful" because of the system of vassalage that surrounds it. Once the artificial protections are gone, it cannot exist in its current form, but China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.

    Anyhow, if America's financial global empire continues to power into the future, undaunted and unabashed, then I will admit I am wrong. However, I suspect the people actually employing their populations and making things will triumph in the end.

    Replies: @A123

    China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.

    The Elite CCP financial “State-conomy” makes the U.S. “Derivative Economy” look good by comparison. The Chinese financial sector is under orders to fund State Owned Enterprises [SOE] with debt that can never be repaid.

    Worse yet, those SOE’s spent much of the money over developing specific sectors for based on the Export & Exploit concept. The WUHAN-19 debacle has focused many nations on the need to “Localize National Security Production”. Without easily victimized laissez-faire markets, highly inefficient SOE’s will have no longer be able to exploit foreign consumption.

    How long can the SOE “State-conomy” keep the fiction going? No one knows for sure. However, any global currency crisis would immediately restrict PRC Exploitation via Exports delivering a brutal blow to the CCP Elites.

    Purchasing the Harris/Biden administration gives Chinese Elites a temporary reprieve, not a solution.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @A123

    Even then, it's a better deal than us. They got trains and model cities out of it. What did we get?

  59. @Jay Fink
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The one and only thing I like about wearing a mask is nobody tells me to smile.

    Replies: @Paperback Writer

    That, plus the social distancing means I don’t have to pretend to be polite to people. Avoidance has its upsides.

    Did you hear about this guy? I hope he stays shut up in his world.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/society/after-covid-racism/

    • Thanks: V. K. Ovelund
  60. anon[293] • Disclaimer says:

    2004-2018

    What other trend happened during that time?

    These sorts of charts are next-to-useless without separating out race.

    Leper Colony America is very close to the POX majority tipping point. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that POX want more POX to come help them terraform LCA into their shithole image.

    That said, I’ve no doubt White liberals have become far more extreme on these race-centric issues, and that’s because Whitelibs have replaced their former Christian faith with their new Equalism faith.

    They will claim support for any issue, no matter how self-destructive, if it sticks it to BadWhites aka the devil.

  61. @A123
    @Boomthorkell


    China will have trains to carry goods, Russians will have jobs, Iran will have expanded oil infrastructure, and we will be left with former-capitol-of-the-world syndrome.
     
    The Elite CCP financial "State-conomy" makes the U.S. "Derivative Economy" look good by comparison. The Chinese financial sector is under orders to fund State Owned Enterprises [SOE] with debt that can never be repaid.

    Worse yet, those SOE's spent much of the money over developing specific sectors for based on the Export & Exploit concept. The WUHAN-19 debacle has focused many nations on the need to "Localize National Security Production". Without easily victimized laissez-faire markets, highly inefficient SOE's will have no longer be able to exploit foreign consumption.

    How long can the SOE "State-conomy" keep the fiction going? No one knows for sure. However, any global currency crisis would immediately restrict PRC Exploitation via Exports delivering a brutal blow to the CCP Elites.

    Purchasing the Harris/Biden administration gives Chinese Elites a temporary reprieve, not a solution.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/03-playin-biden-dt-1080-1050x750.jpg

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Even then, it’s a better deal than us. They got trains and model cities out of it. What did we get?

  62. @JohnPlywood
    Nobody is against immigration anymore (except for the paranoid schizophrenics in the dissident right) because all of the predictions that anti-immigrationists made about immigrants turned out to be false:


    - They said they would bring more crime, thay was false (crime steadily decreased for the last 30 years and immigrants are less likely to be criminals aside from migrating illegally)


    - They said it would increase littering, but littering is down 61% since 1969. White people were the actual litterers:

    https://kab.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/LitterinAmerica_FactSheet_LitteringBehavior.pdf


    The actual count of overall litter is down by 61% since 1969. This decrease, a result of successful education, ongoing cleanup efforts and changes in packaging, is reflected in dramatic reductions of paper, metal and glass litter since 1969. Plastic litter has increased by 165% since 1969.
     
    - They said it would wreck the economy, but every right wing prediction about the economy turned out to be bullshat. The economy keeps soaring to record highs, and the only problems with the economy (such as overpriced housing) are caused by white Christian Republicans.


    - They said it would destroy the environment, but there are more trees and green spaces than ever before.


    Let's face it, you anti-immigrant schmucks never had any interest in improving this country or doing anything noble. All you wanted to do was buy some more time so you could continue the sick, amoral, evil culture of surrogate activities, LARPing, love of money, and disgusting, low-quality women.

    You were never going to make an improved society, you just wanted to kick the can down the road so you could continue playing around, like a brat who doesn't want to go bed and wants a "midnight snack" ever hour of the morning. You were never going to increase the national fertility rate, boost marriage, fix the housing crisis, or sell your false religion to the young. So you project your impotent rage on to "immigrants".

    But they aren't immigrants, you're emigrants. Natural selection is removing you from this reality. The new Americans aren't the bad guys, you were.

    Replies: @Daniel H, @Boomthorkell, @Chrisnonymous, @Audacious Epigone

    Overpriced housing is largely a result of two things, the Fed’s easy money policy and continued population increase.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
  63. @JohnPlywood
    @Boomthorkell

    Sorry, but I am not Indian, so I can't give that perspective. The rumor going around on the forum here that I'm Indian is pure cope, probably by males who they themselves Indian, Mexican, or some kind of halfbreed. I am probably one of the few gentiles here of completely British Isles extraction; this forum is all a bunch of swarthy halfbreeds pretending to be white.

    My opinion on India is that it doesn't need immigration because it only recently stopped breeding. I don't have a problem with countries that restrict immigration because they already did their part to peoduce a new generation and keep their society demographically healthy (meaning predominantly young). I view countries that fail to make their women breed as a disgrace that needs to be wiped out, like maggots cleaning rotting flesh off of an animal carcass. I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.


    As far as the economy… Well, there is real economy and fake economy. China’s economy has helped all of China, and isn’t just on paper. Russia too. America has, what could be described as “complicated” growth.

    Maybe a derivatives based economy is enough for you, though.
     

    Russian/Chinese people live like Mexicans do, but they have fertility rates lower than most Western countries (if you exclude the Siberian Muslim regions of Russia). That's a huge failure. Americans live a glamorous life compared to Chinese/Russians. The derivative economy is the strongest the world has ever known and the U.S. government uses it to cuck Russia/China. Russians could never do that to the USA, China could never tell TSMC to stop selling wafers to America. That's what you call Reap Ultimate Power.

    Replies: @Boomthorkell, @Daniel H, @anon, @Supply and Demand, @Audacious Epigone

    I do not view Americans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, etc as living creatues, but slime.

    Your views are your views and so the schoolmarm allows it because and only because of this.

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