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I do not think it means what you think it means:

It’s almost as if putting all your focus into doing well by the people who didn’t elect you while neglecting those who did isn’t the most effective reelection strategy in the world.

 
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  1. anon[421] • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of the normie conservative right is trying to spin this election as some kind of good thing because Trump got lots of non-white votes. In retrospect, I wonder if this election won’t be considered a disaster not unlike Waterloo for the conventional party dynamics and conventional wisdom about race in this country.

    I advanced a theory a few months ago in one of these comment sections. Basically, I said that it’s not possible for republicans to build a coalition of “all whites + all minorities” without losing some Whites in response; Whites aren’t monolithic. These different racial groups are not compatible with each other — different geographies, different educational attainment and wealth, different personalities and preferences, different priorities on things like free speech, etc. This is also true within the “White” label. Gaining marginally among “all” means losing some “White.” I think that has been borne out here. Pandering to blacks like Trump did cost him some of the White vote. It lost him Georgia and might have lost him Texas had it not been for disaffected Hispanics.

    Going forward, the GOP will have to picks its poison:

    1. All Whites vs. all non-whites.

    This kind of party has working-class Whites sublimate their interests to upper-class White interests. Thus, tax cuts for the rich, anti-racism so the upper-class can maintain respectability, and militarism (military jobs for poor Whites and defense contracts for rich Whites).

    This is no longer possible due to demographics.

    OR

    2. Working class Whites and Latinos vs. blacks and upper class Whites.

    This kind of party embraces economic populism, is boisterous in tone, and is socially more conservative.

    The second strategy is likely to lose for several decades as snobby Whites in the ‘burbs defect to the democrats. Eventually, though, you’ll see the GOP rise from the ashes and overthrow the regime, but it won’t be your grandfather’s GOP. It’ll be something like a Hispanic socialist party in South America.

  2. Jewish promotion of Otherism.

  3. Screwtape says:

    Submitting to the cult of anti-racism is a deal with the devil; you will never win.

  4. Rosie says:

    Can someone tell me what was the married woman vote percentage? I keep hearing this, but I haven’t seen the stat. And please don’t post a link to Twitter. I can’t access it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  5. The polls were wrong, ballots were obviously stuffed en masse, the demographic breakdown of the vote is nonsensical, and there’s about to be lawsuits galore, maybe even audits.

    Why would we be pegging our hot takes to the data, especially at this time?

  6. The sad thing is that the Trump machine actually thought they could win this election with votes.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  7. Yevardian says:
    @The Alarmist

    See OP’s post. The Republican Party deserves to die.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  8. Twinkie says:

    As I wrote in the other thread, the biggest decline in support for Trump between 2016 and this election was white males with at least a college degree (something like 16 percentage points). His support also declined dramatically in the suburbs (the preview for which was amply available between 2018-2020).

    Maybe touting more H1B visas for Indians to replace low- to mid-level white knowledge workers wasn’t such a hot idea.

    Also, while I don’t believe that another pol could have done things any better policy-wise, defiantly not wearing a mask and then getting infected with COVID and possibly having super-spreading events wasn’t a good look with a large number of non-ideological, educated voters who just want this pandemic to end. That particular image problem was entirely of his own making.

    Again, he is a transitional figure. I suspect we are likely to see a more politically attractive populist president in the future – one without the baggage of Trump. Perhaps from the heartland. In the mean time, I think Josh Hawley should carry the flag.

    • Agree: 216
    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @MarkinLA
    , @Truth
  9. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

    • Thanks: Rosie
  10. Nodwink says:

    This post errs in assuming electoral politics to be a zero-sum game. The whole point is to make your tent as big as possible. The Tories in the UK have several South Asians in prominent positions (Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Rishi Sunak), and won a huge majority last year with part-Turkish Boris Johnson at the helm.

    Maybe ethnic/racial politics is just a dead end.

    • LOL: Gordo
  11. unit472 says:

    Trump’a problem was he is a fundamentally decent human being. He recently stated Washington is full of ‘horrible’ people.He just didn’t know how horrible since he was not a Washington insider. Just imagine how his presidency would have turned out if, instead of making Jeff Sessions Attorney General, he had put Rudy Giuliani in that post?

    There would have been a ‘Special Prosecutor’ alright but it wouldn’t have been Robert Muellar and his corrupt team. Joe Biden would be in prison along with Jim Comey and John Brennan.But Sessions endorsed Trump and Trump felt he needed to reward the panty waist from Alabama.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  12. Michael S says:

    Will you stop it already? Trump didn’t lose any votes from white men, Democrats gained a million votes from nonvoters, nonliving and nonhumans.

    • Agree: Buck Ransom
    • LOL: Realist
    • Replies: @utu
  13. Lol you really believe the polls

    The only reason they say he lost ground among white people is to cover the fact that they stole the upper midwest

    • Agree: botazefa
  14. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    I suspect at least one of the explanations for this is that Trump didn’t start any new wars wherein our sons will be sent to get their legs blown off on the other side of the world. That and the riots.

    • Agree: Mark G., V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @nebulafox
  15. Realist says:

    It’s almost as if putting all your focus into doing well by the people who didn’t elect you while neglecting those who did isn’t the most effective reelection strategy in the world.

    Duh! You think?

    But Trump was a minion of the Deep State…so that is what they wanted.

  16. Realist says:

    Carlson and Hannity may be leaving Fox soon…maybe not by choice.

    Their Monday night show will be interesting.

  17. Saddest item of all was the humiliating Giuiliani-led ‘press event’ for the Trump campaign on Friday, to declare evidence of voter fraud, right as the mainstream media was declaring Biden the winner

    Either maliciously or as a horrid mistake, some Trump campaign staffer arranged that this press conference be held at the Philadelpia ‘Four Seasons’ – not the posh Four Seasons hotel there in town, but instead at the shabby ‘Four Seasons Landscaping’ company back lot, in dreary outskirts of Philly, located between a porno-and-sexual-toy shop, and a funeral body cremation service

  18. @Twinkie

    Probably just sampling bias, there shouldn’t have been more married men than married women.

    As to an explanation for why Trump did worse among men, if it holds, I say it’s because of all this woke propaganda emanating from the corporations, which men, in the tech industry or middle management, are more likely to be exposed to than women who are homemakers or work in pink-collar occupations. If you aren’t convinced by the propaganda, you look for an explanation of why, of which there are two:

    1. Internal: it reflects the views of the upper-management.

    2. External: it is put in place to be more secure in the event of lawsuits.

    Explanation 1. doesn’t lead to much enthusiasm for corporate cheerleader Trump. If corporations are so great, why not follow their advice on who to vote for? Explanation 2. doesn’t lead to much enthusiasm for Trump either, if it’s a government-caused problem, he should be trying to fix it. But he’s not. The best possible interpretation of Trump is that he’s living in the past. His view of the world is frozen in 1970, and those issues which the young white-collar worker faces in 2020 that he didn’t face in 1970, Trump’s just not aware of them.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  19. @brabantian

    Maybe he wanted to give his money to a business that supported him.

  20. songbird says:
    @Nodwink

    I think many people see the Tories as having betrayed them. Immigration hasn’t been cut at all – I think they’ve exceeded previous numbers, Covid aside. And, as if to rub salt in the wound, the government recently minted a coin that says “diversity built Britain.” It is not some special order for collectors, but street-circulated – millions of coins.

    Based on what I see from Indian pols in the West, and parties with Indian pols, I’m not convinced that a party with Indians in prominent positions can be respectful of whites, or will be concerned about immigration restrictionism. They may give a bit of lip service, but the issue is too one-sided. Open borders means more Indians in the West, and it doesn’t seem to hurt India.

    India is a massive country, with a very low standard of living. Currently, it receives less tourists than Hungary or Macau – it doesn’t seem threatened by globalism, at all, at the moment. Globalism just seems to benefit Indians. And it has in many cases. Idi Amin expelled Indians from Uganda, but it was not long before many of them were back – presumably not any of the ones that had been foolishly let into Britain, when India was closer. The Ugandan government was pressured into letting them back in, in a way that I don’t think would have happened with whites.

    • Agree: Gordo
    • Replies: @for-the-record
    , @dfordoom
  21. El Dato says:
    @brabantian

    Neigborhood hasn’t been BLM-looted, so it’s okay I guess.

  22. El Dato says:
    @Nodwink

    > Turkish Boris Johnson

    Loose cannon frat boy and King Buffoon. Good at theatrics.

    > Sajid Javid

    Ex Chase-Manhattan.

    IMHO, Deep-Stater meant to implement “control & security”. If you want to find someone more anointed than Obama, he’s here.

    Kisses ass so hard that he sells Assange.

    > Rishi Sunak

    Ex- Goldman-Sachs. See above.

    > Priti Patel

    Holds off-record meetings with Israel to discuss gibs. Control & Security III. Recently delivers this:
    Protests of more than two people will be ILLEGAL under updated rules for UK national lockdown

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  23. @Alexander Turok

    Trump’s reminded me of the nerd in high school who was always trying to get the cool kids to accept him, then was outraged and hurt when they didn’t. Goes to somewhere like Davos and then “waah, they were rude to me!” The f*** did he expect? Maybe he wanted to end his campaign in a different kind of environment.

  24. @songbird

    the government recently minted a coin that says “diversity built Britain.” It is not some special order for collectors, but street-circulated – millions of coins.

    Britain’s history is rich and diverse. For more than 1,100 years, the nation’s story has been told through coins struck by The Royal Mint, a narrative carried in the pockets and purses of all its people. The contribution of ethnic minority communities has been such an important part of that story but has often gone unrecognised. This coin has been created to celebrate all the people who have made Britain what it is today.

    The coin design by Dominique Evans features the words ‘DIVERSITY BUILT BRITAIN’ on a structure composed of interconnected triangles. The lines are linked to form a network, with each part just as important as the next in uniting the whole composition.

    https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/diversity-coin/

    For those of you wanting to get a limited edition version in gold of this pathbreaking coin, you can do so for only £2,225, but you’d better make hurry up and make your order with the Royal Mint while the stock still lasts:

    https://www.royalmint.com/our-coins/events/diversity-coin/2020-50p-gold-proof-piedfort-coin

    • Replies: @songbird
  25. What amazed me was that listening to Sean Hannity’s radio show was his constant refrain on Trump helping Black people and inviting Black guests to argue the point.

    Not ONCE did I ever hear him ever bring on anyone to argue against bringing in H1B job thieves.

    The iSteve stuff NEVER seemed to infiltrate his radio program.

    • Replies: @Marty T
  26. If whites voted Republican at about the same percentage as hispanics voted democrat they would landslide the next three elections at least. Trump got around 55% of whites according to exit polls and got 58% in 2016 (Romney got 59% 4 years before). Were whites to vote about 66% Republican – especially in swing states – it wouldn’t even be close.

    But the GOP seems to hate whites almost as much as democrats do. The one representative who dared to acknowledge that whites exist and weren’t evil (Steve King) was stabbed in the back by his own party and run out of politics. Republican politicians largely support outsourcing jobs, importing cheap labor for those jobs they can’t outsource, they are completely silent in the face of the democrats’ open and explicit racial hatred against whites, they spew most of the same bullshit platitudes about diversity that their explicitly antiwhite opponents do, and they are totally helpless against the constant onslaught on the beliefs, cultural values, and history of their white constituents (particularly those with ancestry dating back to the founding).

    And when a populist who is even vaguely pro-white wins a primary? The GOP will refuse to support them or give tepid support that is effectively a denunciation. Republicans are so terrified of being called racist by a genocidal press that already calls them racist that they’ll fuck over their most devoted supporters for brownie points with the New York Times. There are no politicians for whites in Washington

  27. Rosie says:
    @Alexander Turok

    Probably just sampling bias, there shouldn’t have been more married men than married women.

    I’m not so sure about that. There is a real problem with male small business owners demanding cheap immigrant labor. I would bet that the Chamber of Commerce membership is mostly married men.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  28. Rosie says:
    @Nodwink

    This post errs in assuming electoral politics to be a zero-sum game. The whole point is to make your tent as big as possible. The Tories in the UK have several South Asians in prominent positions (Priti Patel, Sajid Javid, Rishi Sunak), and won a huge majority last year with part-Turkish Boris Johnson at the helm.

    Tories winning elections is beside the point. What have they done for the native working class? That is the question.

  29. Talha says:
    @Rosie

    Good point. Mothers don’t like sending sons off in useless meat grinders overseas. Perhaps also the pro-life/pro-choice breakdown along married vs unmarried women?

    Is there a poll that breaks down what exactly attracted the voters to their particular candidate, you know; foreign policy position, fiscal plan, morals/ethics, etc.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    , @Twinkie
    , @iffen
  30. Rosie says:
    @Talha

    Is there a poll that breaks down what exactly attracted the voters to their particular candidate, you know; foreign policy position, fiscal plan, morals/ethics, etc.

    Not that I know of, and to be honest, I don’t really think our betters want us to have that information. That would seriously undermine their ability to control the narrative.

    The important thing to remember is that relatively small shifts can be tremendously consequential in a country this divided. If even 1/20 married women were persuaded to vote for Trump as a result of his military restraint, that alone would explain why his was his strongest demographic.

    I’d love to see it broken down by race as well. The married Whitenwoman vote has to have been a trouncing of historic proportions. I’m not a numbers cruncher, but maybe someone could try and extrapolate this figure.

    White women are overrepresented among married women, and if I’m not mistaken, overrepresented among mothers of military enlistees.

  31. By-tor says:
    @Twinkie

    I do not believe that a majority of unmarried men voted for Biden and the unpopular giggling mulatto. It is certain that Biden received a million or more phony votes in AZ, MI, WI, NV and PA. He never even drew 300 people to any of the few rallies his bi-coastal oligarch handlers put on.

    • Replies: @216
  32. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    Brad Wilcox is such a clueless chump about some things. It’s been known for decades that married white women are more likely to vote R while single women are more prone to vote D. This reflects in actual D policies, too.

    This shouldn’t be a surprise to Bradford, if he’s even paid attention to his own data over the last 20 years. But he’s just blind to some aspects of reality.

    We’ll see if women are willing to support co-Presidents Jill and Kamala as much.

  33. Bill says:
    @Pop Warner

    Solution: stop voting for the GOP.

  34. You people don’t have a clue.

    Trump gained support among married women and Hispanics because their businesses all went under and they lost their jobs, meaning that feminism is over and Hispanics gotta go back across the border.

    He lost support among white men because they saw that happening, and laughed. Plus, many white men have realized that wokeness doesn’t hurt them anyway, since the ideological objective of wokeness is ultimately to pair nonwhite women with white men — nonwhite women being the most desired among white men.

    Make no mistake about it, Trump was the feminist candidate and the ethnik candidate this election. Women will vote Republican if the engine that powers their modernistic behavior, America’s free economy, is imperiled. Like throwing buckets of water out of a sinking ship.

    It has nothing to do with wars or Trump’s support of H2b, etc. Everyone knows professional volunteer militaries are the future and that there could never be a draft again. Military moms are also aware of the insanely low casualty rates of modern American servicemen, and that combat soldiers had a lesser chance of being killed by violence in Iraq/Afghanistan than do black males growing up in inner city neighborhoods. Nobody except the most incompetent or unlucky souls get killed in war anymore, and actual relatives of veterans know this (unlike the Jehova’s Witnesses in the comment sections on unz.com).

  35. nebulafox says:
    @Twinkie

    >As I wrote in the other thread, the biggest decline in support for Trump between 2016 and this election was white males with at least a college degree (something like 16 percentage points).

    *Sigh*.

    >Maybe touting more H1B visas for Indians to replace low- to mid-level white knowledge workers wasn’t such a hot idea.

    I don’t think this helped, but I don’t think it was decisive. The kind of coder who is too redpilled or immune to social pressure to vote for Biden typically does the kind of work that cannot be outsourced to a random import from South Asia.

    Web dev jobs tend to have more wokesters in them.

    >Again, he is a transitional figure. I suspect we are likely to see a more politically attractive populist president in the future – one without the baggage of Trump. Perhaps from the heartland.

    I mostly agree, but one thing that will be hard to replace is that Trump couldn’t be bought, being a billionaire himself.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
  36. nebulafox says:
    @Rosie

    Trump was the first President to not stage a new, direct armed intervention abroad since Jimmy Carter. People who moan about his foreign policy not being good enough miss the point: what do you think Biden and his Blob friends are going to do?

    In other news, men continue to tread the same steps their fathers did 18 years ago in Afghanistan.

  37. Jay Fink says:

    2016: Trump’s campaign most influenced by Steve Bannon. Winner.

    2020:Trump’s campaign most influenced by Jared Kushner. Loser.

    I see that today Kushner is advising Trump to concede defeat. Can there be any question that Kushner is perfectly fine with Biden’s neolib agenda?

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  38. Talha says:

    Very interesting. Saudi and Emirati media is officially not liking the change of guard. They are saying in the headlines “The Dog Returns to the White House” (in reference to the fact that Trump, unlike most US presidents, did not have a dog – but this is also an obvious insult in Arab culture stated in double entendre):

    Though I doubt things will change much. Let’s see if Biden eventually does the sword dance like Trump did:

    I also can’t find a picture of Biden at the Wailing Wall, which is another right of passage. We’ll see when he does that one.

    Peace.

  39. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    Is there a poll that breaks down what exactly attracted the voters to their particular candidate, you know; foreign policy position, fiscal plan, morals/ethics, etc.

    Lots of data here: https://edition.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results

    Including this tidbit:

    Most important issue to your vote?
    15,590 total respondents

    Racial inequality
    20%
    Coronavirus
    17%
    The economy
    35%
    Crime and safety
    11%
    Health care policy
    11%
    Biden
    91% 82% 17% 28% 63%
    Trump
    8% 14% 82% 71% 36%
    Updated 5:26 PM ET, Wed Nov 4, 2020

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @TomSchmidt
  40. Twinkie says:
    @nebulafox

    I don’t think this helped, but I don’t think it was decisive.

    I don’t either. I merely brought it up to illustrate Trump campaign’s tone deafness on the topic.

  41. Twinkie says:
    @Twinkie

    You can also compare that CNN exit polling with Pew’s pre-election survey:

    • Replies: @Talha
  42. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Is there a poll that breaks down what exactly attracted the voters to their particular candidate, you know; foreign policy position, fiscal plan, morals/ethics, etc.

    Since the vote was so close in many states there are numerous explanations. If I had to choose just one it would be Covid. It likely kept a few % of old white people home on election day, not to mention the numbers of voters who blame the weather on the President and vote accordingly, and that group would definitely blame Trump for Covid.

    • Replies: @Talha
  43. iffen says:
    @Nodwink

    Maybe ethnic/racial politics is just a dead end.

    Not if you can keep your group together, say like blacks in America. The flip side being unlike whites in America.

  44. anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @nebulafox

    In other news, men continue to tread the same steps their fathers did 18 years ago in Afghanistan.

    Virtually all of them from flyover country. Some of them are friends of mine. But not friends of Hunter Biden or Jared Kushner. US troops still tend to come from the population most hated by the coastal elites.

    I wonder whats happened to all those overseas military ballots that are still incoming? Shredded upon arrival, perhaps?

    The contempt that global elites have for everyone else appears to be bottomless.

  45. Talha says:
    @Twinkie

    Thanks for looking this up, much appreciated!

    Peace.

  46. it’s called big tent, and it’s a loser.

    you can tell the Trump people are political novices. big tent looks appealing to inexperienced pols, and they went all-in on it. it’s like a hand of Ace-King in Poker. a big nothing. they call it Big Slick.

  47. @Rosie

    There is a real problem with male small business owners demanding cheap immigrant labor.

    I know several male small business owners in different states. Some employ cheap immigrant labor because competition against other U.S. businesses [a] rewards them for cutting costs and [b] bankrupts them for failing to cut costs.

    It’s not a conspiracy against U.S. citizens. It’s just competition.

    If we wish small business owners to prefer U.S. citizens then we must not let the law bankrupt them for hiring U.S. citizens.

    Criticizing small business for realities it cannot control is unfair. This problem is not the small business owner’s fault.

    If the U.S. ever restricted immigration (dream on!), small businesses would ask little more than to keep the immigrant employees they already have. Otherwise, all the ones I know would be happy to hire Americans.

    But my comment is not very relevant, is it? Donald J. Trump has failed and has now apparently lost, so immigration seems likely to flood us, alas.

    • Replies: @Rosie
  48. @Jay Fink

    Kushner didn’t fail. Trump did.

  49. Rosie says:
    @V. K. Ovelund

    I know several male small business owners in different states. Some employ cheap immigrant labor because competition against other U.S. businesses [a] rewards them for cutting costs and [b] bankrupts them for failing to cut costs.

    Yes, I think it starts out that way, and as soon as a number of your competitors are cheating, you have little choice but to do likewise. That said, people will resolve cognitive dissonance, usually by bringing their views into conformity with their conduct. It’s human nature.

    The only solution is authoritarian government measures to punish cheaters before this dynamic takes hold.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  50. 216 says:
    @By-tor

    Presumably most unmarried non-white men voted for the Occupation.

    Unmarried (mostly younger) white men are under tremendous cultural pressure, and the Dissident message is now largely frozen out of the mainstream.

    By and large, even public support of Romney in ’12 was enough to cause social death in some environments.

    The hard path for us is this:

    -Win the votes of more non-white men

    0r

    -Win back the votes of black-square posting white women

    You can’t do both. nor can you do much to get the vote of non-white women.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  51. Marty T says:
    @Joe Stalin

    I would say the only thing Trump did that was offensive was the pandering to blacks regarding criminal justice “reform”. I was so sick of it. Let the Democrat party be the black party.

    Meanwhile, he vastly improved among Hispanics without supporting amnesty.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
    , @Jay Fink
  52. MarkinLA says:
    @Twinkie

    Trump is the populist with little actual knowledge of what the populace needs. He understand things like getting the jobs back in the US but outside of real estate he doesn’t know anything so is easily manipulated by “experts”. They tell him up is down and he believes it. When it comes to H-1Bs he was probably given that silly “research” that said H-1Bs actually create more jobs for Americans than they take and bought it.

  53. dfordoom says: • Website
    @songbird

    I think many people see the Tories as having betrayed them.

    What people in Britain haven’t yet figured out is that Brexit was not a magical solution. Brexit just means Britain being controlled by Washington instead of Brussels. In the long run Britain will be worse off. And Boris Johnson is a globalist of the worst sort.

    On the other hand the EU will be better off without Britain.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @songbird
  54. Talha says:
    @iffen

    If I had to choose just one it would be Covid. It likely kept a few % of old white people home on election day

    Good point, especially because plenty of places were quite crowded. And this may have been the crowd that was not used to mail-in ballots (or worried they may be tampered with).

    Peace.

  55. Talha says:
    @dfordoom

    Brexit just means Britain being controlled by Washington instead of Brussels.

    People aren’t ready for this conversation. It’s been a while since the British lion became a feather in Yankee Doodle’s cap.

    Peace.

  56. utu says:
    @Michael S

    Do not know how many white man votes Trump lost but you are correct that he lost chiefly because Democrats were much better at ballot harvesting which certainly included people who would never vote and people who never should vote (like nursing homes dementia patients) and probably people who were dead.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Truth
  57. Mark G. says:
    @Marty T

    I would say the only thing Trump did that was offensive was the pandering to blacks regarding criminal justice “reform”. I was so sick of it. Let the Democrat party be the black party.

    This and his platinum plan which would have directed more government money to blacks.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lil-wayne-meets-donald-trump-praises-platinum-plan/

    There was no platinum plan to help white males. At least some of these white males thought Trump losing this time might pave the way for someone better to come along and replace him. Also, the after effects of the coronavirus lockdowns and the stock bubble finally bursting will be likely to lead to an economic contraction and it will be better if it happens under Biden so he can get the blame.

    Even some of the younger liberal white male hipster types may be potential Republican supporters in the future. Many of them are not fully on board with the woke left which receives support from feminists and minorities and demonizes white males. See Sean Lennon, son of John, for an example. This is nothing new. I played in a punk rock band in the seventies and many of the guys I know from then went in a Johnny Rotten direction as they got older and ended up as Trump supporters. They also turned into gun owners and are fervent supporters of gun rights. Rotten is not the only punk rock example. One of the Ramones ended up a Reagan supporter and Morrissey of the Smiths has said things that outrages the woke left.

  58. Twinkie says:
    @Rosie

    The only solution is authoritarian government measures to punish cheaters before this dynamic takes hold.

    Since when is it “authoritarian” to punish lawbreakers?

    Per Cicero, legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus.

    There wouldn’t be so many illegal migrants if businesses didn’t hire them, and businesses wouldn’t hire them if the government vigorously enforced the law.

    • Agree: nebulafox
    • Replies: @Rosie
  59. Rosie says:

    OT but give it up for Lindthee Graham. At least someone’s waking up and smelling the coffee.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/525063-lindsey-graham-if-trump-concedes-election-republicans-will-never-elect-another

    • Agree: MBlanc46
  60. Rosie says:
    @Twinkie

    Since when is it “authoritarian” to punish lawbreakers?

    I reckon since about 2010 give or take a couple years.

  61. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Pop Warner

    But the GOP seems to hate whites almost as much as democrats do.

    It’s more that they hate poor people. In fact they hate non-rich people. They simply adore rich people, including rich white people.

    They hate all non-rich people but they can’t admit to hating non-rich black, brown or Asian people. They can however get away with expressing their hatred for non-rich whites.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  62. @nebulafox

    ROFL @ 18 years. 38 years, if you’re on Team Cool Kid. And, given that the military is a hereditary caste these days, it’s entirely believable that the kids are walking where their GRANDFATHERS walked (in the 1980s)

  63. @Twinkie

    Unmarried women are looking for a man who will be a good provider,
    so if they’ve blown all their other chances, they will settle for Uncle Sugar.
    Senilo or any other Democrat will fill the bill.

  64. @216

    The real “hard path” is to learn how to cheat better.

    Discussing demographics after this “election” is like debating what kind of cheese the moon is made from….

    Only crazy people are allowed in the room.

  65. MBlanc46 says:
    @Nodwink

    Perhaps a reason that the UK is circling round the plug hole?

  66. @Alexander Turok

    Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

    A totally-disorganised, incompetent, laughable, couldn’t-find-their-arse-with-both-hands, whimper.

    The parallels between the end of the Trump era and the end of US hegemony, aren’t lost on the Chinese or the Russians.

    As I’ve made clear: I have the good fortune that for me, this is entirely vicarious. By the time missiles start flying towards US installations in Australia, I’ll be well out of the path of the fallout.

    If there was an afterlife, Tom Paine would be looking down at what the US has done, and screaming “You stupid, stupid cunts.”

  67. Anon[449] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    “Biden won because he won in the swing sates where he won by less than 1% margin:

    GA 49.5/49.3
    AZ 49.5/49.0
    PA 49.7/49.1
    WI 49.6/48.9”

    Thank you for the summary. Would you kindly provide source for numbers?

    • Replies: @utu
  68. Curle says:
    @brabantian

    Call it an ‘humiliating’ location and I guess you don’t have to address the actual subject of the conference which was Joe Frazier voting post-mortem. Can anyone confirm, btw, whether the dead Joe Frazier did, in fact, vote?

    • Replies: @Truth
  69. “he increased his support with women and every minority group”

    “a few more such victories and we are undone”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Asculum

    But at least Pyrrhus actually won his battle. On the face of it, Sailer Strategy 1, Kushner Strategy 0.

    I’m still hoping our guy wins through. But it looks as if the Dems have found a plenty of ways to “cheat legally” as well as illegally. Sending out ballots (easily identifiable) to all registered voters is asking for vote harvesting (in poor areas, old people’s homes, ethnic enclaves etc) as well as wholesale theft of ballots both on their way out to people and on their way back to the count.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/states-universal-mail-in-voting-absentee-ballot-requests-voting-2020-race

    That’s Nevada, New Jersey, California, Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Washington, D.C, Washington State, Hawaii, Vermont and counties of Montana that decide to do so.

    Then there’s the states that mail ballot application forms to everyone. Minnesota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Illinois, Delaware, Connecticut, Maryland, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Rhode Island, Nebraska, Massachusetts.

    Does anyone know if the Dems did a big voter registration drive in places like Wisconsin? That 90% turnout is Soviet Union level – I find it hard to believe there’s been no skullduggery there. I like to think that the Steve Bannon’s of this world would have been right on top of that.

    Was the organisation of the election campaign at state level (which would very much include keeping a sharp eye on the competition) left in the hands of the local GOP leadership, many of whom weren’t Trump supporters? The amazing way the down-ticket Republicans did better than the President again looks suspicious.

  70. utu says:
    @Anon

    I took it form Google. Do search for ‘election results by states’. The first result is ‘2020 US election results’

  71. songbird says:
    @for-the-record

    Wow, I didn’t realize how breathtakingly ugly it was – brutalism in the in pocketbook! Remarkable contrast to the pre-Euro coins of the UK’s neighbor, the Republic of Ireland, which featured many animals, including, at one time, a sow with its litter.

    • Replies: @songbird
  72. @Twinkie

    I believe it was AE who mentioned that if Trump would provide a public option for Medicare, he would win. Biden won 2-1 amongst people worried about healthcare, and that was the first (and usually unanswered) point both made in their first debates: he is going to take away healthcare from 20MM people.

    If those people had broken 55/45 Biden Trump, he would likely have won easily.

    AE, you did call it.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Audacious Epigone
  73. songbird says:
    @dfordoom

    On the other hand the EU will be better off without Britain.

    I agree with this, it changes the center of gravity further East and South, towards less pozzed areas, and makes the organization lose some legitimacy, which could spur reforms.

  74. songbird says:
    @songbird

    I wonder how many coins or paper bills depict children in some way, globally. I can’t recall seeing one, just the sow with its litter, which is a bit abstract, even if one believes it is meant to carry the message of nativity.

  75. Talha says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Regarding healthcare…

    Doh!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
  76. Truth says:
    @Twinkie

    Josh Hawley? Nah, he’s a fag, I mean that in the non-sexual manner, of course…

    Here is your Republican presidential candidate for 2024!

    https://worldstar.com/video.php?v=wshh0R72CgZ5O6tE3wl0

  77. Truth says:
    @utu

    Yes, or the whole election just a sham decided well in advance, and this is all window-dressing to get stupid people at each other’s throats.

  78. Truth says:
    @Curle

    I hear that there is only one “Joseph Frazier” in the state of Pennsylvania.

  79. Jay Fink says:
    @Marty T

    On the night criminal justice reform passed I called a Trump cultist friend of mine to tell him how angry and disappointed I was about it. Like the true cultist he is he put a positive spin on it “This is great, now Trump will win the majority of the black vote”. Yeah right.

    Even if it’s not fashionable, one of my most important issues is crime and punishment. The current trend of releasing prisoners early is horrifying to me. If crime continues to rise like it has this year and with Jared Kushner out of the sphere of influence perhaps the GOP can get back to being the party of law and order.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Marty T
  80. Jay Fink says:
    @dfordoom

    The Republican party does not recognize that today’s rich people are Democrats. When they pass things like tax cuts for the rich it mostly benefits people who hate their guts.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  81. Jay Fink says:
    @Talha

    He’s on Joe Biden’s task force yet he argues someone Biden’s age is not worth living.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Twinkie
  82. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jay Fink

    The Republican party does not recognize that today’s rich people are Democrats. When they pass things like tax cuts for the rich it mostly benefits people who hate their guts.

    That’s quite true. But you’ll never convince the Republican establishment. They’re not called the Stupid Party for nothing. They wear their stupidity as a badge of pride.

  83. Talha says:
    @Jay Fink

    Poor old Joe may not even remember his own age and thus be oblivious to this.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @RSDB
  84. Twinkie says:
    @Jay Fink

    I agree – I thought it was odd that he expended political capital on it. One of the biggest reasons for crime decline in the past 30 years has been the so-called mass incarceration. Since crime, esp. violent crime, is often committed by a small segment of the same repeat offenders, isolating them from the normal society has been highly effective (whereas the reverse process has been happening in places such as San Francisco and Seattle).

    • Agree: iffen, Jay Fink
  85. Twinkie says:
    @Talha

    Joe’s glad that he beat GW Bush for the DE senate seat.

    • LOL: Talha
  86. Twinkie says:
    @Jay Fink

    Maybe Kamala pushed for his inclusion on the team.

  87. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    [MORE]

    It’s been a while since I’ve been on– I would like to express my condolences for the loss of your father. I can only hope bringing it up doesn’t bring back the pain of that loss.
    (Maybe I picked the wrong thread to write on …)

    I don’t know anything about your father except that his son is the kind of person with whom one can have a bitter hammer-and-tongs argument and come away liking the guy more– that is, what little I know speaks well of him. Not everyone I know is like that, even in the real world.

    Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat ei, et requiescat in pace.

    • Agree: Yahya K.
    • Replies: @Talha
  88. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    It’s been a while since I’ve been on

    Welcome back! Hope all is well and hope to see more of you.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    I can only hope bringing it up doesn’t bring back the pain of that loss.

    No, it’s good, you reminded me that it’s getting late and I should recite the Fatiha on his behalf before I turn in.

    As I’ve stated before; whatever good that you see in me, I attribute it to the efforts of my parents and teachers and the acceptance of prayers they have made on my behalf.

    Thank you very much for your kind words. May God protect you and your parents and grant you all long and healthy lives.

  89. Marty T says:
    @Jay Fink

    The small list of senators who opposed the first step act includes potential 2024 candidates like Rubio, Sasse and Cotton. They knew what they were doing.

    Doesn’t matter what’s fashionable. Crime and policing only has one legitimate side. And Republicans better make sure they’re on the right side of it.

    • Agree: Jay Fink
  90. @Pop Warner

    In North Carolina, Georgia, and Texas, if whites only vote 66% for Republicans, all three states will be Democrat massacres.

  91. @TomSchmidt

    Medicare for all is really popular, even on the right and especially on the left. One of the major reasons the corptocracy outspends massively on Democrats over Republicans now is to keep Dem pols from doing what their electorate wants. There is a huge opportunity for Republicans who push for it, and they can rhetorically distinguish themselves from the AOC/Sanders wing of the left by advocating it be for American citizens only.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    , @iffen
  92. @Audacious Epigone

    Given how Big Pharma screwed over Trump on COVID vaccine (probably smart politics, since D’s take reprisal, and Trump tweets), one would hope the R team recognizes how they are NOT their friends. Stick it to them, hard. Your position is exactly what was needed.

  93. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    I don’t believe that the Republican Party can take a stance that provides comprehensive policies and proposals that weigh on the side of “ordinary people.” If it did it wouldn’t be the Republican Party anymore.

    • Agree: dfordoom

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