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Riffing again off a comment thread from a recent post on verbal intelligence by race and political orientation, average Wordsum scores among Democrats, independents, and Republicans by self-described political orientation follow. Wordsum is a ten-question vocabulary test with results that correlate with IQ at .71–quite rigorous for the social sciences, but of course not perfect. To avoid language fluency issues, results are restricted to respondents born in the US. One standard deviation is 1.9 points, so the graph’s ceiling is roughly 1 standard deviation above the population mean and the floor 1 standard deviation below it:

This helps explain why, intraparty, Democrats tend not to be much impressed by conservatives and Republicans tend not to be much impressed by liberals. In the former case, there is a significant racial component to the distribution.

Perhaps in the latter case liberal Republicans tend to be people who identify as Republican because that’s how they were raised but who haven’t put their beliefs to the test so have default values broadly in line with the broader zeitgeist. Smarter people raised Republican but with liberal beliefs, by contrast, calibrate their party affiliation in accordance with their beliefs.

The difference between liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans is modest, about one-tenth of one standard deviation. Converted to IQ, this is a gap of a point or two. Given that those on the left tend to do relatively better with verbal intelligence than with visuo-spatial intelligence and those on the right the opposite, it’s close to a wash.

GSS variables used: WORDSUM, BORN(1), POLVIEWS(1-3)(4)(5-7), PARTYID(0-1)(2-4,7)(5-6), YEAR(2000-2018)

 
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  1. IQ is overrated. I think a lot of people with 90-something IQs instinctively know that a lot of what they are being told is nonsense (there are dozens of genders, Americans are better off than they’ve ever been, the people handling pandemic policy know what they are doing), precisely *because* they can’t engage in abstract rationalization to contradict their own empirical experiences. And the lower you are on the socioeconomic scale, the more likely it is that your empirical experiences are going to contradict just about everything about elite narratives.

    But they also instinctively know they have no way of expressing their incredulity in ways that won’t leave them targets for mockery by their cognitive superiors. So they’ll keep quiet, at least around them.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
    @nebulafox


    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been
     
    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward, even though the jaws of corporations restricting 1st amendment expression and predatory opioid-peddling big Pharma snapped their jaws shut around his own base.

    I suppose you do have to be profoundly stupid enough to believe that "monitoring the situation" was actually him giving a shit. I'll punt this one to the Hasbara agents or Fuentes-respector plan trusters to spin.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @Wyatt
    @nebulafox

    IQ follows a wave function.

    -The derpies and the dark folk sitting around 85 just accept whatever dumb bullshit is told to them (so long as it pleases them or isn't too offensive)
    -92-100 can sniff out bullshit, but can't necessarily explain it
    -105-115 feel like geniuses because they have a few extra IQ points and are the pinnacles of the Dunning-Kruger effect
    -120+ sees a return to seeing reality for what it is as well as being able to explain it, but is no guarantee of conservative tendencies

    Of course, there are anomalies everywhere. For example, doctors and nurses are theoretically smart people, but they tend to advocate for socialized medicine, unaware of the birth rate consequences that comes with taxing the fuck out of responsible, moderately intelligent people. But as a rule of thumb, it works quite well. Give the benefit of the doubt to the average folk and the genuinely smert folk. They can actually see reason.

  2. You have to be pretty stupid to be a “conservative” in the Democratic party and a “liberal” in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Not Only Wrathful


    You have to be pretty stupid to be a “conservative” in the Democratic party and a “liberal” in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.
     
    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the two parties as long as their important issues are advanced (wealth and power). As a matter of fact, it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting. In fact, we live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @Not Only Wrathful

    As AE said, there is a significant racial component to the former. I.e., Democrat conservatives are political-plantation blacks who don't support gay marriage and go to church but vote for Biden-Harris.

    On the other side, it is probably associational. What I mean is that liberal Republicans probably live in liberal-Republican enclaves, resulting in no cognitive dissonance. They are the people who grew up Republican but are basically leftists and turn up their nose at the base but not quite cerebral enough to put ideology before acculturation.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    , @Truth
    @Not Only Wrathful

    No, generally they are just two different kinds of sucker.

    , @Nodwink
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Many political parties have Right/Left/Centre factions and sub-factions with members sometimes floating between these. My hypothesis is that many Republican voters are not particularly attached to Trump or any other (R), but see the GOP as the party of lower taxes, and simply roll up every four years to affirm their allegiance to that philosophy.

  3. @nebulafox
    IQ is overrated. I think a lot of people with 90-something IQs instinctively know that a lot of what they are being told is nonsense (there are dozens of genders, Americans are better off than they've ever been, the people handling pandemic policy know what they are doing), precisely *because* they can't engage in abstract rationalization to contradict their own empirical experiences. And the lower you are on the socioeconomic scale, the more likely it is that your empirical experiences are going to contradict just about everything about elite narratives.

    But they also instinctively know they have no way of expressing their incredulity in ways that won't leave them targets for mockery by their cognitive superiors. So they'll keep quiet, at least around them.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Wyatt

    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been

    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward, even though the jaws of corporations restricting 1st amendment expression and predatory opioid-peddling big Pharma snapped their jaws shut around his own base.

    I suppose you do have to be profoundly stupid enough to believe that “monitoring the situation” was actually him giving a shit. I’ll punt this one to the Hasbara agents or Fuentes-respector plan trusters to spin.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Supply and Demand



    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been

     

    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward...
     
    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country -- as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens -- has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who "are better off than they've ever been" are members of the elite and the immigrants they have brought in from shittier countries to do cheap work.

    Replies: @neutral, @AP

  4. @nebulafox
    IQ is overrated. I think a lot of people with 90-something IQs instinctively know that a lot of what they are being told is nonsense (there are dozens of genders, Americans are better off than they've ever been, the people handling pandemic policy know what they are doing), precisely *because* they can't engage in abstract rationalization to contradict their own empirical experiences. And the lower you are on the socioeconomic scale, the more likely it is that your empirical experiences are going to contradict just about everything about elite narratives.

    But they also instinctively know they have no way of expressing their incredulity in ways that won't leave them targets for mockery by their cognitive superiors. So they'll keep quiet, at least around them.

    Replies: @Supply and Demand, @Wyatt

    IQ follows a wave function.

    -The derpies and the dark folk sitting around 85 just accept whatever dumb bullshit is told to them (so long as it pleases them or isn’t too offensive)
    -92-100 can sniff out bullshit, but can’t necessarily explain it
    -105-115 feel like geniuses because they have a few extra IQ points and are the pinnacles of the Dunning-Kruger effect
    -120+ sees a return to seeing reality for what it is as well as being able to explain it, but is no guarantee of conservative tendencies

    Of course, there are anomalies everywhere. For example, doctors and nurses are theoretically smart people, but they tend to advocate for socialized medicine, unaware of the birth rate consequences that comes with taxing the fuck out of responsible, moderately intelligent people. But as a rule of thumb, it works quite well. Give the benefit of the doubt to the average folk and the genuinely smert folk. They can actually see reason.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  5. @Supply and Demand
    @nebulafox


    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been
     
    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward, even though the jaws of corporations restricting 1st amendment expression and predatory opioid-peddling big Pharma snapped their jaws shut around his own base.

    I suppose you do have to be profoundly stupid enough to believe that "monitoring the situation" was actually him giving a shit. I'll punt this one to the Hasbara agents or Fuentes-respector plan trusters to spin.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been

    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward…

    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country — as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens — has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who “are better off than they’ve ever been” are members of the elite and the immigrants they have brought in from shittier countries to do cheap work.

    • Agree: Jay Fink, iffen
    • Replies: @neutral
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Besides all that, this argument that "you have better living standards than the king France" has the world view that the only thing that matters is material comforts. The fact that white people are living under an ever more oppressive yoke, is not important at all to them.

    Replies: @Toronto Mike

    , @AP
    @Buzz Mohawk


    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country — as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens — has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who “are better off than they’ve ever been” are members of the elite
     
    The top 25% or so have been doing much better. That's a minority, but a large enough one that it shouldn't be classified as an "elite." I suspect the next 25% or so have been in stagnation rather than decline. The lower middle class and working class have been suffering.
  6. mechanical aptitude difference bigger than the verbal difference, and in the other direction.

    post nation creation, europeans dividing themselves into those who work with their hands versus those who work with symbols and words.

  7. More demographic collapse. Births in China are down 15% from last year.

    Births in Italy fell 22% exactly 9 months after lockdowns began.

    This is the real Covid-19 pandemic, an almost unprecedented genocide of the next generation.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, one can hope that there will be a rebound, there was one after the Great Depression/World War II.

  8. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Supply and Demand



    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been

     

    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward...
     
    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country -- as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens -- has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who "are better off than they've ever been" are members of the elite and the immigrants they have brought in from shittier countries to do cheap work.

    Replies: @neutral, @AP

    Besides all that, this argument that “you have better living standards than the king France” has the world view that the only thing that matters is material comforts. The fact that white people are living under an ever more oppressive yoke, is not important at all to them.

    • Replies: @Toronto Mike
    @neutral

    Pity poor Louis XIV; no Netflix, no video games, no instant Ramen noodles.

  9. I’m an exception in that I am a right winger who scores higher in verbal intelligence than spatial. Real life seems to be more extreme than IQ tests for me. People who talk to me say that I’m smart. People who watch me try to do anything physical call me an idiot.

    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Jay Fink

    I am exactly like that. On the one hand, I have a PhD from a top university and people tell me that I am an excellent public speaker.

    On the other hand, I have no practical skills, which means that I need to pay other people to do all the maintenance work on my rental properties. My father-in-law takes hours to formulate this thoughts in words, but can bring an engine back to life just by looking at it.

    I live in rural New Zealand and a lot of the locals are inarticulate but practical and self-reliant. If the world goes to hell, I hope they don't leave me to starve.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Jay Fink

  10. Same argument as for the previous day’s graph.

    Liberals are modestly more intelligent than conservatives are across demographic groups, though demography is generally more informative of verbal intelligence as measured in this way than political orientation is.

    Wordsum, contrary to some psychology researches, is a poor indicator of intelligence or being able to solve problems. It does not test abstract thinking. Verbal intelligence is a misnomer…verbal knowledge is a more accurate term. Verbal knowledge is gained by studying vocabulary works. It requires a nominal memory and an effort to expand one’s vocabulary.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Realist

    Verbal is a lagging indicator, but it does correlate pretty well to g because those who think with greater complexity about abstract issues will seek out more complex reading material and discussion where they'll be exposed to words not found in everyday life. They'll also have the brainpower to make it through a more demanding curriculum which will have complexity and advanced vocabulary, even if unnecessarily complex. People can brute force memorize words, but this will rarely produce the same depth of understanding or retention over decades than does organic learning through reading and discussion of other topics.

    Of course, English vocabulary will continue to shrink with the great dumbing down in pursuit of equity utopia. Maybe soon they will openly disavow literacy education because vibrants aren't doing as well and because it will keep the masses from reading or writing about wrongthink.

    Replies: @Realist

  11. @Not Only Wrathful
    You have to be pretty stupid to be a "conservative" in the Democratic party and a "liberal" in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    Replies: @Realist, @Chrisnonymous, @Truth, @Nodwink

    You have to be pretty stupid to be a “conservative” in the Democratic party and a “liberal” in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the two parties as long as their important issues are advanced (wealth and power). As a matter of fact, it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting. In fact, we live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

    • Replies: @Lockean Proviso
    @Realist

    Don't blame me, I voted against the elderly, corrupt, incompetent Zionist. That clears things up, right?

  12. @Not Only Wrathful
    You have to be pretty stupid to be a "conservative" in the Democratic party and a "liberal" in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    Replies: @Realist, @Chrisnonymous, @Truth, @Nodwink

    As AE said, there is a significant racial component to the former. I.e., Democrat conservatives are political-plantation blacks who don’t support gay marriage and go to church but vote for Biden-Harris.

    On the other side, it is probably associational. What I mean is that liberal Republicans probably live in liberal-Republican enclaves, resulting in no cognitive dissonance. They are the people who grew up Republican but are basically leftists and turn up their nose at the base but not quite cerebral enough to put ideology before acculturation.

    • Replies: @Not Only Wrathful
    @Chrisnonymous

    I have a very professionally successful and well-educated family member who recently admitted that she knows nothing about politics and votes Conservative only because her Dad did. I respect her honesty. I also assume she is fairly ordinary in this regard, so perhaps it was wrong for me to say politically misaligned people are 'stupid" but then again she wouldn't call herself "socialist" while voting Conservative, so there's that extra layer too

  13. @Chrisnonymous
    @Not Only Wrathful

    As AE said, there is a significant racial component to the former. I.e., Democrat conservatives are political-plantation blacks who don't support gay marriage and go to church but vote for Biden-Harris.

    On the other side, it is probably associational. What I mean is that liberal Republicans probably live in liberal-Republican enclaves, resulting in no cognitive dissonance. They are the people who grew up Republican but are basically leftists and turn up their nose at the base but not quite cerebral enough to put ideology before acculturation.

    Replies: @Not Only Wrathful

    I have a very professionally successful and well-educated family member who recently admitted that she knows nothing about politics and votes Conservative only because her Dad did. I respect her honesty. I also assume she is fairly ordinary in this regard, so perhaps it was wrong for me to say politically misaligned people are ‘stupid” but then again she wouldn’t call herself “socialist” while voting Conservative, so there’s that extra layer too

  14. There is a masking effect that results from hearing people only talk about the subject they know about. I learned this at the time of the olympics massacre. A highly prominent U.S. athlete was interviewed about the tragedy by a newscaster. The athlete was — how can I put it — an idiot. I was astonished, because I had previously only heard him speak about his sport; there, he was articulate, engaging, insightful. He had mastered the relevant cliches and template things to say. Ever since then, I have assumed that this phenomenon is very often the case. It especially applies to a grievance-studies major, who now, in her job in the human resources department, can efficiently explain why you are being fired.

  15. @Jay Fink
    I'm an exception in that I am a right winger who scores higher in verbal intelligence than spatial. Real life seems to be more extreme than IQ tests for me. People who talk to me say that I'm smart. People who watch me try to do anything physical call me an idiot.

    Replies: @22pp22

    I am exactly like that. On the one hand, I have a PhD from a top university and people tell me that I am an excellent public speaker.

    On the other hand, I have no practical skills, which means that I need to pay other people to do all the maintenance work on my rental properties. My father-in-law takes hours to formulate this thoughts in words, but can bring an engine back to life just by looking at it.

    I live in rural New Zealand and a lot of the locals are inarticulate but practical and self-reliant. If the world goes to hell, I hope they don’t leave me to starve.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @22pp22

    “If the world goes to hell, I hope they don’t leave me to starve.”

    Just in case...
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/2a/c3/452ac3d40da4d4b4b6bb0275da4f1f11.jpg

    Replies: @anon

    , @Jay Fink
    @22pp22

    I pay people to do things too. It's not that I'm lazy. Fixing things around the house, doing the simplest car repairs (such as changing a flat) etc. boggles my mind. You can't teach me it (it's been tried) because my brain has such trouble picking up on it. In my case it is genetic. My dad was perhaps more extreme than me. He had trouble screwing in a lightbulb. Yet he was very smart. He was into crossword puzzles and could easily do the most challenging ones. He knew about so many different subjects but had no handyman skills whatsoever.

  16. @22pp22
    @Jay Fink

    I am exactly like that. On the one hand, I have a PhD from a top university and people tell me that I am an excellent public speaker.

    On the other hand, I have no practical skills, which means that I need to pay other people to do all the maintenance work on my rental properties. My father-in-law takes hours to formulate this thoughts in words, but can bring an engine back to life just by looking at it.

    I live in rural New Zealand and a lot of the locals are inarticulate but practical and self-reliant. If the world goes to hell, I hope they don't leave me to starve.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Jay Fink

    “If the world goes to hell, I hope they don’t leave me to starve.”

    Just in case…

    • Replies: @anon
    @SafeNow

    Good book. Here is a better one by David the Good: Grow or Die

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27874644-grow-or-die

    Also see "How to compost anything", although he does so mostly in Florida which is composting on the "easy" setting.

    David the Good also has vids now.

  17. @SafeNow
    @22pp22

    “If the world goes to hell, I hope they don’t leave me to starve.”

    Just in case...
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/2a/c3/452ac3d40da4d4b4b6bb0275da4f1f11.jpg

    Replies: @anon

    Good book. Here is a better one by David the Good: Grow or Die

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27874644-grow-or-die

    Also see “How to compost anything”, although he does so mostly in Florida which is composting on the “easy” setting.

    David the Good also has vids now.

  18. @22pp22
    @Jay Fink

    I am exactly like that. On the one hand, I have a PhD from a top university and people tell me that I am an excellent public speaker.

    On the other hand, I have no practical skills, which means that I need to pay other people to do all the maintenance work on my rental properties. My father-in-law takes hours to formulate this thoughts in words, but can bring an engine back to life just by looking at it.

    I live in rural New Zealand and a lot of the locals are inarticulate but practical and self-reliant. If the world goes to hell, I hope they don't leave me to starve.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Jay Fink

    I pay people to do things too. It’s not that I’m lazy. Fixing things around the house, doing the simplest car repairs (such as changing a flat) etc. boggles my mind. You can’t teach me it (it’s been tried) because my brain has such trouble picking up on it. In my case it is genetic. My dad was perhaps more extreme than me. He had trouble screwing in a lightbulb. Yet he was very smart. He was into crossword puzzles and could easily do the most challenging ones. He knew about so many different subjects but had no handyman skills whatsoever.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  19. @Not Only Wrathful
    You have to be pretty stupid to be a "conservative" in the Democratic party and a "liberal" in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    Replies: @Realist, @Chrisnonymous, @Truth, @Nodwink

    No, generally they are just two different kinds of sucker.

  20. @Realist
    @Not Only Wrathful


    You have to be pretty stupid to be a “conservative” in the Democratic party and a “liberal” in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.
     
    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the two parties as long as their important issues are advanced (wealth and power). As a matter of fact, it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting. In fact, we live under a plutocratic oligarchy.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Don’t blame me, I voted against the elderly, corrupt, incompetent Zionist. That clears things up, right?

    • LOL: Realist
  21. @Not Only Wrathful
    You have to be pretty stupid to be a "conservative" in the Democratic party and a "liberal" in the Republican one.

    The differences between the parties may not be big, but they do exist.

    Replies: @Realist, @Chrisnonymous, @Truth, @Nodwink

    Many political parties have Right/Left/Centre factions and sub-factions with members sometimes floating between these. My hypothesis is that many Republican voters are not particularly attached to Trump or any other (R), but see the GOP as the party of lower taxes, and simply roll up every four years to affirm their allegiance to that philosophy.

  22. @neutral
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Besides all that, this argument that "you have better living standards than the king France" has the world view that the only thing that matters is material comforts. The fact that white people are living under an ever more oppressive yoke, is not important at all to them.

    Replies: @Toronto Mike

    Pity poor Louis XIV; no Netflix, no video games, no instant Ramen noodles.

  23. @Realist
    Same argument as for the previous day's graph.

    Liberals are modestly more intelligent than conservatives are across demographic groups, though demography is generally more informative of verbal intelligence as measured in this way than political orientation is.
     
    Wordsum, contrary to some psychology researches, is a poor indicator of intelligence or being able to solve problems. It does not test abstract thinking. Verbal intelligence is a misnomer…verbal knowledge is a more accurate term. Verbal knowledge is gained by studying vocabulary works. It requires a nominal memory and an effort to expand one’s vocabulary.

    Replies: @Lockean Proviso

    Verbal is a lagging indicator, but it does correlate pretty well to g because those who think with greater complexity about abstract issues will seek out more complex reading material and discussion where they’ll be exposed to words not found in everyday life. They’ll also have the brainpower to make it through a more demanding curriculum which will have complexity and advanced vocabulary, even if unnecessarily complex. People can brute force memorize words, but this will rarely produce the same depth of understanding or retention over decades than does organic learning through reading and discussion of other topics.

    Of course, English vocabulary will continue to shrink with the great dumbing down in pursuit of equity utopia. Maybe soon they will openly disavow literacy education because vibrants aren’t doing as well and because it will keep the masses from reading or writing about wrongthink.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Lockean Proviso


    Verbal is a lagging indicator, but it does correlate pretty well to g because those who think with greater complexity about abstract issues will seek out more complex reading material and discussion where they’ll be exposed to words not found in everyday life.

     

    Be that as it may, it does not test abstract thinking or problem-solving ability, which are leading indicators of intelligence.
  24. @Lockean Proviso
    @Realist

    Verbal is a lagging indicator, but it does correlate pretty well to g because those who think with greater complexity about abstract issues will seek out more complex reading material and discussion where they'll be exposed to words not found in everyday life. They'll also have the brainpower to make it through a more demanding curriculum which will have complexity and advanced vocabulary, even if unnecessarily complex. People can brute force memorize words, but this will rarely produce the same depth of understanding or retention over decades than does organic learning through reading and discussion of other topics.

    Of course, English vocabulary will continue to shrink with the great dumbing down in pursuit of equity utopia. Maybe soon they will openly disavow literacy education because vibrants aren't doing as well and because it will keep the masses from reading or writing about wrongthink.

    Replies: @Realist

    Verbal is a lagging indicator, but it does correlate pretty well to g because those who think with greater complexity about abstract issues will seek out more complex reading material and discussion where they’ll be exposed to words not found in everyday life.

    Be that as it may, it does not test abstract thinking or problem-solving ability, which are leading indicators of intelligence.

  25. @Intelligent Dasein
    More demographic collapse. Births in China are down 15% from last year.

    Births in Italy fell 22% exactly 9 months after lockdowns began.

    This is the real Covid-19 pandemic, an almost unprecedented genocide of the next generation.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, one can hope that there will be a rebound, there was one after the Great Depression/World War II.

  26. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Supply and Demand



    Americans are better off than they’ve ever been

     

    This was a common rejoinder from Trumpenstein from 2017 onward...
     
    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country -- as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens -- has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who "are better off than they've ever been" are members of the elite and the immigrants they have brought in from shittier countries to do cheap work.

    Replies: @neutral, @AP

    If you are American and you are old enough, you know that this country — as well as the standard of living for the vast majority of its natural-born citizens — has been in decline for fifty years. The only people who “are better off than they’ve ever been” are members of the elite

    The top 25% or so have been doing much better. That’s a minority, but a large enough one that it shouldn’t be classified as an “elite.” I suspect the next 25% or so have been in stagnation rather than decline. The lower middle class and working class have been suffering.

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