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Trump’s best looooong shot chance to win his reelection bout in a controversial TKO decision is for the Georgia Republicans to lose tonight. That aligns the GOPe’s interests with his own. If they really do want the Senate but Loeffler and Perdue lose tonight, they can still get the upper chamber through a Biden defenestration and a Trump installation.

Is there any evidence Trump realized this? It doesn’t seem like he was pulling any punches with his endorsements, so probably not. Was he hoodwinked by the promise that if he helped Loeffler and Perdue that the GOPe would leave it all on the field tomorrow? It strains credulity to think he would put the party before his own ambitions, so he probably either doesn’t realize this dynamic or no longer cares about reelection.

 
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  1. I think it’s more about not letting the blob get away with this massive FU fraudulent election. If he walks away from this, he’s done and so are we.

    • Agree: Getaclue
  2. Thanks. I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump. He might have campaigned in Georgia without any mixed feelings because he knew the fix was in there.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @JimDandy


    I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump.
     
    Whatever outcome is better for the loser Trump is probably not the outcome I want.

    The Great Vulgarian has served his purpose. His continuation in power would only let him cheat our hopes. It was grand for a while, but the time has come for him to go.

    Not that there is anything better to replace him.

    We have lost. I don't mean Trump; I mean you and me. We shall have to await a turn of events.

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy


    the fix
     
    Here's a thought: maybe Trump doesn't need to be playing any four-dimensional chess here: maybe the natural interests and venality of the Republican and Democratic parties clash so strongly that any anti-Trump detente between them is over, in a way that will drive the Republicans back onto the Trump Train?

    That is to say: suppose the Democrats have the means to steal elections, and suppose the GOP were willing to look the other way if it got rid of Trump. Well, why wouldn't the Democrats just steal the run-off, too? Why not take the presidency and the senate both?

    Of course, if they do this, the Republican party might realise that their only shot at any influence in the next four years will come by backing Trump.

    It's like one of those game theory problems, except where all the participants are greedy and stupid. Trump doesn't even have to do anything clever to get the RNC back in his corner.

    Is that what you're suggesting?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    , @Bite Moi
    @JimDandy

    JimDandy--------I am all out of shytes to give over the Georgia Senate elections.80 million Trump voters are now aware that we can't peacefully change things through an honest election. Peace,once again,is over rated.

  3. The Cheat is On. The results are fixed.

    The “Cold Civil War” is about to heat up drastically.

    DC has called out the National Guard for tomorrow’s Trumpathon.

    There might be blood, and then WAR.

    Lets get it over with NOW, while we still outnumber the ENEMY.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Dr. Doom

    BTW, did you catch the diversity of the DCNG troops lining the street?

    #MOG #CUinTheGulag

  4. They already arrested the other day that Latino “white supremacist” leader of the very mixed “white supremacist” Proud Boys on some minor bullshit from awhile back, just to keep him from participating in the 6th Jan rally.

    In Soviet Russia back in the day dissidents would all go to jail or the nuthouse while something important is taking place in Moscow and the world is watching, for the duration of the event, just in case.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rahan


    In Soviet Russia back in the day dissidents would all go to jail or the nuthouse while something important is taking place in Moscow and the world is watching, for the duration of the event, just in case.

     

    Albany chronicler William Kennedy wrote of a staunchly Democratic landlady who, when told by a tenant in her office that he intended to vote for Thomas Dewey, screamed "rape" out the window and had him arrested. He was released the next day-- too late to cast a vote.

    This was 1948, if I remember correctly. Dewey carried the state anyway. (He actually finished first in 1944 as well. But FDR placed second, third, and fourth, and walked away with the state's electors.)
  5. My take is if Purdue and Loeffler lose the GOPe is finished. Without Trump supporters they are all doomed. Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio etc have no influence to peddle so they won’t even succeed as lobbyists.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @unit472

    Away with them. Away with all of them. Zombie Reaganism has brought nothing but disaster upon the United States. They are the Republican Angeloi.

    The GOP will only win when they come forward with a platform that 2020s people outside their donors and ideologues will appreciate.

    Replies: @botazefa

  6. @JimDandy
    Thanks. I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump. He might have campaigned in Georgia without any mixed feelings because he knew the fix was in there.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Bite Moi

    I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump.

    Whatever outcome is better for the loser Trump is probably not the outcome I want.

    The Great Vulgarian has served his purpose. His continuation in power would only let him cheat our hopes. It was grand for a while, but the time has come for him to go.

    Not that there is anything better to replace him.

    We have lost. I don’t mean Trump; I mean you and me. We shall have to await a turn of events.

  7. @JimDandy
    Thanks. I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump. He might have campaigned in Georgia without any mixed feelings because he knew the fix was in there.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Bite Moi

    the fix

    Here’s a thought: maybe Trump doesn’t need to be playing any four-dimensional chess here: maybe the natural interests and venality of the Republican and Democratic parties clash so strongly that any anti-Trump detente between them is over, in a way that will drive the Republicans back onto the Trump Train?

    That is to say: suppose the Democrats have the means to steal elections, and suppose the GOP were willing to look the other way if it got rid of Trump. Well, why wouldn’t the Democrats just steal the run-off, too? Why not take the presidency and the senate both?

    Of course, if they do this, the Republican party might realise that their only shot at any influence in the next four years will come by backing Trump.

    It’s like one of those game theory problems, except where all the participants are greedy and stupid. Trump doesn’t even have to do anything clever to get the RNC back in his corner.

    Is that what you’re suggesting?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yeah. But it's over. America as we know it is over.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  8. Notice that the male Republican did better in Georgia yesterday than the female.

    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.
     

    And here some idiot over on Steve's thread predicted she would win because "women tend to vote for their own."

    Anyway, you're both FOS. Loeffler got 49.4% and Perdue got 49.8%, a negligible difference.

    The Republicans lost because it's time for UBI and everyone knows it, but Bitch McConnell couldn't come up with even 2K for suffering Americans, but was fine with all dough for various foreign countries.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jay Fink

    , @Jay Fink
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Supposedly the female candidate was the more far right of the two. Unfortunately establishment RINO types are more successful than patriots. Looking at the small difference between the two races there was very little ballot splitting though.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

  9. @Dr. Doom
    The Cheat is On. The results are fixed.

    The "Cold Civil War" is about to heat up drastically.

    DC has called out the National Guard for tomorrow's Trumpathon.

    There might be blood, and then WAR.

    Lets get it over with NOW, while we still outnumber the ENEMY.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    BTW, did you catch the diversity of the DCNG troops lining the street?

    #MOG #CUinTheGulag

  10. McConnell will try to destroy Trump now. Losing Georgia is a disaster for Trump, don’t kid yourself.

    Trump needed a Republican Senate to protect him from Democratic retribution. Now he faces not only a Democratic Senate, but a Minority Leader who hates his guts. All those judges Trump is so proud of are McConnell’s creatures, not his. Expect to see Trump up on charges for violating electoral law fairly soon.

  11. Which is the reason one would think he can’t walk away from this election fraud. Not only will this former country be certifiably & irretrievably f*****, but so will he and his family. Not sure what he can do other than go full dictator, but does he have it in him and is there enough backing in shadows and among the deplorables to pull it off? Probably not, but with all the other crazy shit that’s happened this past ten months, I guess never say never.

  12. Better to die free than live as a slave. Fight for your freedom.
    Liberty is not given. You have to take it away from tyrants.
    The Tree of Liberty is getting thirsty.

    “Diversity” is just no White people. Nothing more or less.
    The Whites that stupidly fight for their dispossession are already lost.
    Do not mourn the DOOMED.

    Sabotage, subvert and smile.
    RESIST, do not assist.
    Barter, form into small groups, and do not feed the beast.

    We outnumber the enemy by a factor of 10 to 1.
    Better to fight now than later.
    The enemy is premature in their celebrations.

  13. @unit472
    My take is if Purdue and Loeffler lose the GOPe is finished. Without Trump supporters they are all doomed. Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Marco Rubio etc have no influence to peddle so they won't even succeed as lobbyists.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Away with them. Away with all of them. Zombie Reaganism has brought nothing but disaster upon the United States. They are the Republican Angeloi.

    The GOP will only win when they come forward with a platform that 2020s people outside their donors and ideologues will appreciate.

    • Replies: @botazefa
    @nebulafox

    C'mon nebulafox, you're smarter than this.

    It doesn't matter who is elected, the plutocratic oligarchy have purchased every public office from dog catcher upward. Nothing will change. Biden will be inaugurated. DIE will continue to provide juicy sinecures for envious idiots, covid will be declared resolved, the AUMF and Patriot Act will endure, and new 'law' will continue to be written by ALEC; unread by the politicians.

    Or maybe I'm wrong and what we're seeing is actually an honest disagreement between the franchised citizens of a robust Democracy.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  14. @nebulafox
    @unit472

    Away with them. Away with all of them. Zombie Reaganism has brought nothing but disaster upon the United States. They are the Republican Angeloi.

    The GOP will only win when they come forward with a platform that 2020s people outside their donors and ideologues will appreciate.

    Replies: @botazefa

    C’mon nebulafox, you’re smarter than this.

    It doesn’t matter who is elected, the plutocratic oligarchy have purchased every public office from dog catcher upward. Nothing will change. Biden will be inaugurated. DIE will continue to provide juicy sinecures for envious idiots, covid will be declared resolved, the AUMF and Patriot Act will endure, and new ‘law’ will continue to be written by ALEC; unread by the politicians.

    Or maybe I’m wrong and what we’re seeing is actually an honest disagreement between the franchised citizens of a robust Democracy.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @botazefa

    Short-term, I agree, but I can't afford to think there's no realistic chance at change anymore and engage in mental fantasies as a compensation measure: my life literally is depending on this. Long-term, I think the GOP has a better chance of ditching zombie Reaganism than the Democrats have of ditching corporate wokeism. Probability is just that: probability. If that calculation ever changes, then I will change.

    I'm white, I'm male, and personality-wise, no matter how much my social skills have improved, I'm never going to convincingly fit the woke striver model that the mandarinate increasingly demands for young men. But I'm also young, I'm poor, I'm irreligious, and I don't have any memories of pre-21st Century America to get nostalgic about. So, I'm basically at the bottom of the concern list for both political parties and can safely assume that they'll both try to screw me over. As a result, I have little tribal attachment to either, and see little reason to sacrifice for them.

    But while I have zero illusions about the Republican Party, as my entire commenting history should make clear, they aren't the ones who radiate utter existential contempt for guys like me, and they also aren't the ones in favor of slowly squeezing any chances to take my life back away through permanent lockdowns.

  15. @botazefa
    @nebulafox

    C'mon nebulafox, you're smarter than this.

    It doesn't matter who is elected, the plutocratic oligarchy have purchased every public office from dog catcher upward. Nothing will change. Biden will be inaugurated. DIE will continue to provide juicy sinecures for envious idiots, covid will be declared resolved, the AUMF and Patriot Act will endure, and new 'law' will continue to be written by ALEC; unread by the politicians.

    Or maybe I'm wrong and what we're seeing is actually an honest disagreement between the franchised citizens of a robust Democracy.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    Short-term, I agree, but I can’t afford to think there’s no realistic chance at change anymore and engage in mental fantasies as a compensation measure: my life literally is depending on this. Long-term, I think the GOP has a better chance of ditching zombie Reaganism than the Democrats have of ditching corporate wokeism. Probability is just that: probability. If that calculation ever changes, then I will change.

    I’m white, I’m male, and personality-wise, no matter how much my social skills have improved, I’m never going to convincingly fit the woke striver model that the mandarinate increasingly demands for young men. But I’m also young, I’m poor, I’m irreligious, and I don’t have any memories of pre-21st Century America to get nostalgic about. So, I’m basically at the bottom of the concern list for both political parties and can safely assume that they’ll both try to screw me over. As a result, I have little tribal attachment to either, and see little reason to sacrifice for them.

    But while I have zero illusions about the Republican Party, as my entire commenting history should make clear, they aren’t the ones who radiate utter existential contempt for guys like me, and they also aren’t the ones in favor of slowly squeezing any chances to take my life back away through permanent lockdowns.

  16. @V. K. Ovelund
    Notice that the male Republican did better in Georgia yesterday than the female.

    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Jay Fink

    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.

    And here some idiot over on Steve’s thread predicted she would win because “women tend to vote for their own.”

    Anyway, you’re both FOS. Loeffler got 49.4% and Perdue got 49.8%, a negligible difference.

    The Republicans lost because it’s time for UBI and everyone knows it, but Bitch McConnell couldn’t come up with even 2K for suffering Americans, but was fine with all dough for various foreign countries.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    The Republicans lost because it’s time for UBI and everyone knows it
     
    In 2021 America, UBI = "Underwriting Black Insurrectionists".

    UTI is more appealing.

    https://www.mountelizabeth.com.sg/images/default-source/default-album/symptoms-urinary-tract-infection.jpg

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Jay Fink
    @Rosie

    Since it was such a close race I agree. McConnell blocking the $2000 made all the difference.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  17. @V. K. Ovelund
    Notice that the male Republican did better in Georgia yesterday than the female.

    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.

    Replies: @Rosie, @Jay Fink

    Supposedly the female candidate was the more far right of the two. Unfortunately establishment RINO types are more successful than patriots. Looking at the small difference between the two races there was very little ballot splitting though.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
    @Jay Fink


    Looking at the small difference between the two races there was very little ballot splitting though.
     
    This is true but I have heard many women react badly to specific female candidates. Some female candidates can manage, but a female candidate walks a narrow path to avoid upsetting a fraction of otherwise winnable female votes. Until shown otherwise, I must believe what I see: that a decent male candidate probably enjoys a broader margin for error.

    But yes, the margin in this instance is too narrow to afford a good example.

  18. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy


    the fix
     
    Here's a thought: maybe Trump doesn't need to be playing any four-dimensional chess here: maybe the natural interests and venality of the Republican and Democratic parties clash so strongly that any anti-Trump detente between them is over, in a way that will drive the Republicans back onto the Trump Train?

    That is to say: suppose the Democrats have the means to steal elections, and suppose the GOP were willing to look the other way if it got rid of Trump. Well, why wouldn't the Democrats just steal the run-off, too? Why not take the presidency and the senate both?

    Of course, if they do this, the Republican party might realise that their only shot at any influence in the next four years will come by backing Trump.

    It's like one of those game theory problems, except where all the participants are greedy and stupid. Trump doesn't even have to do anything clever to get the RNC back in his corner.

    Is that what you're suggesting?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah. But it’s over. America as we know it is over.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    Nonsense. Trumpism isn't even over yet. Hell, Trump likely isn't over yet, and neither is the disingenuous co-operation between the parties that we were talking about. (Recall that cartoon of Hitler and Stalin, shaking hands and holding knives behind their backs.)

    Trump's extended absence from the public eye is either his doing or it isn't, and if it's the former - maybe even if it's the latter - I don't see that what I spoke about before changes all that much. Both parties will still be trying to maximise their positions at the expense of each other's - and this is all the more likely if they think Trump's out for the count, since there'd be no reason to maintain the alliance anymore. Knives out!

    With the caveat that nothing is at it seems at the moment, it seems clear that the Republicans have declined the opportunity to hold the senate by backing Trump. This leaves them with two options:

    1. Take the L
    2. Take the senate, and the house, and the presidency

    Number 1's a terrible option. The Democrats would have four years to box them out and tempt away their donors, and many of their voters won't be showing up in '22 and '24. (It's not clear the Republicans understand this last point.)

    Number 2? (lol, number 2) Number 2's possible. Suppose Trump really is gone: what, exactly, is stopping Pence from seizing power via the 25th amendment and "finding" some evidence of vote fraud that undoes the election and gives the Republicans all three houses?

    You might think that's far-fetched, but - again, assuming that things are as they seem - I guarantee Pence and McConnell et al are thinking about it right now.

    Perhaps the Democrats see this coming, and there's horse-trading behind the scenes. Pelosi and Schumer are threatening to impeach Trump if Pence doesn't invoke the 25th; I don't know the constitution, but I suppose if they've got the votes to impeach Trump, they might conceivably have the votes to impeach Pence right afterwards. I don't see why that's not possible. So, if any of this is on point, we'd have a scenario where both parties are greedy and untrustworthy, and have means, motive, and opportunity to seize as much power as possible, and would therefore both be negotiating in bad faith with each other towards that end.

    This could very easily lead to the breakdown of whatever alliance they entered into to get rid of Trump, and even to Republicans putting proof of electoral fraud into the public eye. (Hey: maybe that's been "the plan" all along!)

    I'm just speculating on what's going on, and I reiterate that we cannot know anything for certain right now, if ever. But the other point to be made is that no matter what happens, the social pressures that made Trump president aren't going away. Organised gayness will provoke another reaction from normal people in due time.

    What I'm saying is it ain't over til it's over and even then it's not over

    Replies: @JimDandy

  19. @Jay Fink
    @V. K. Ovelund

    Supposedly the female candidate was the more far right of the two. Unfortunately establishment RINO types are more successful than patriots. Looking at the small difference between the two races there was very little ballot splitting though.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund

    Looking at the small difference between the two races there was very little ballot splitting though.

    This is true but I have heard many women react badly to specific female candidates. Some female candidates can manage, but a female candidate walks a narrow path to avoid upsetting a fraction of otherwise winnable female votes. Until shown otherwise, I must believe what I see: that a decent male candidate probably enjoys a broader margin for error.

    But yes, the margin in this instance is too narrow to afford a good example.

  20. @Rahan
    They already arrested the other day that Latino "white supremacist" leader of the very mixed "white supremacist" Proud Boys on some minor bullshit from awhile back, just to keep him from participating in the 6th Jan rally.

    In Soviet Russia back in the day dissidents would all go to jail or the nuthouse while something important is taking place in Moscow and the world is watching, for the duration of the event, just in case.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    In Soviet Russia back in the day dissidents would all go to jail or the nuthouse while something important is taking place in Moscow and the world is watching, for the duration of the event, just in case.

    Albany chronicler William Kennedy wrote of a staunchly Democratic landlady who, when told by a tenant in her office that he intended to vote for Thomas Dewey, screamed “rape” out the window and had him arrested. He was released the next day– too late to cast a vote.

    This was 1948, if I remember correctly. Dewey carried the state anyway. (He actually finished first in 1944 as well. But FDR placed second, third, and fourth, and walked away with the state’s electors.)

  21. @Rosie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.
     

    And here some idiot over on Steve's thread predicted she would win because "women tend to vote for their own."

    Anyway, you're both FOS. Loeffler got 49.4% and Perdue got 49.8%, a negligible difference.

    The Republicans lost because it's time for UBI and everyone knows it, but Bitch McConnell couldn't come up with even 2K for suffering Americans, but was fine with all dough for various foreign countries.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jay Fink

    The Republicans lost because it’s time for UBI and everyone knows it

    In 2021 America, UBI = “Underwriting Black Insurrectionists”.

    UTI is more appealing.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Reg Cæsar


    In 2021 America, UBI = “Underwriting Black Insurrectionists”.
     
    Who cares? I have no stake in the stability and continuity of this rotten system.
  22. @Reg Cæsar
    @Rosie


    The Republicans lost because it’s time for UBI and everyone knows it
     
    In 2021 America, UBI = "Underwriting Black Insurrectionists".

    UTI is more appealing.

    https://www.mountelizabeth.com.sg/images/default-source/default-album/symptoms-urinary-tract-infection.jpg

    Replies: @Rosie

    In 2021 America, UBI = “Underwriting Black Insurrectionists”.

    Who cares? I have no stake in the stability and continuity of this rotten system.

  23. @Rosie
    @V. K. Ovelund


    Voters like female candidates in the abstract, but given any specific female candidate, some female voters tend to find fault for feminine reasons.

    I doubt that it is entirely coïncidental that Biden won where Hillary lost. Female preference for the male candidate played a rôle.
     

    And here some idiot over on Steve's thread predicted she would win because "women tend to vote for their own."

    Anyway, you're both FOS. Loeffler got 49.4% and Perdue got 49.8%, a negligible difference.

    The Republicans lost because it's time for UBI and everyone knows it, but Bitch McConnell couldn't come up with even 2K for suffering Americans, but was fine with all dough for various foreign countries.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar, @Jay Fink

    Since it was such a close race I agree. McConnell blocking the $2000 made all the difference.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Jay Fink

    Indeed. We called that here:


    As the GOP leaves Trump to flail about impotently in his futile attempt to contest the results of the presidential election, McConnell is setting the party up for stunning losses in Georgia next week. While $3 trillion of money conjured out of thin air to spread around selectively is necessary, you see, conjuring up $4 trillion is recklessly irresponsible, entirely beyond the pale. Doubly so since the extra trillion would go directly into the pockets of Americans instead of into special interest pork barrels and into Fed-induced asset price inflation as the bulk of the initial $3 trillion is set to do. McConnel can always find money for Egypt and Israel and Pakistan and performing art centers with hundreds of millions of dollars in endowments, but nary a dime for the forgotten men and women of America.
     
    Would the prospect of an extra $2000 directly into their pockets be enough to persuade 1-in-100 Georgia voters who would've otherwise voted Republican to vote Democrat? I don't think that's rhetorical.
  24. @JimDandy
    Thanks. I was wondering which outcome would be better for Trump. He might have campaigned in Georgia without any mixed feelings because he knew the fix was in there.

    Replies: @V. K. Ovelund, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account, @Bite Moi

    JimDandy——–I am all out of shytes to give over the Georgia Senate elections.80 million Trump voters are now aware that we can’t peacefully change things through an honest election. Peace,once again,is over rated.

  25. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yeah. But it's over. America as we know it is over.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Nonsense. Trumpism isn’t even over yet. Hell, Trump likely isn’t over yet, and neither is the disingenuous co-operation between the parties that we were talking about. (Recall that cartoon of Hitler and Stalin, shaking hands and holding knives behind their backs.)

    Trump’s extended absence from the public eye is either his doing or it isn’t, and if it’s the former – maybe even if it’s the latter – I don’t see that what I spoke about before changes all that much. Both parties will still be trying to maximise their positions at the expense of each other’s – and this is all the more likely if they think Trump’s out for the count, since there’d be no reason to maintain the alliance anymore. Knives out!

    With the caveat that nothing is at it seems at the moment, it seems clear that the Republicans have declined the opportunity to hold the senate by backing Trump. This leaves them with two options:

    1. Take the L
    2. Take the senate, and the house, and the presidency

    Number 1’s a terrible option. The Democrats would have four years to box them out and tempt away their donors, and many of their voters won’t be showing up in ’22 and ’24. (It’s not clear the Republicans understand this last point.)

    Number 2? (lol, number 2) Number 2’s possible. Suppose Trump really is gone: what, exactly, is stopping Pence from seizing power via the 25th amendment and “finding” some evidence of vote fraud that undoes the election and gives the Republicans all three houses?

    You might think that’s far-fetched, but – again, assuming that things are as they seem – I guarantee Pence and McConnell et al are thinking about it right now.

    Perhaps the Democrats see this coming, and there’s horse-trading behind the scenes. Pelosi and Schumer are threatening to impeach Trump if Pence doesn’t invoke the 25th; I don’t know the constitution, but I suppose if they’ve got the votes to impeach Trump, they might conceivably have the votes to impeach Pence right afterwards. I don’t see why that’s not possible. So, if any of this is on point, we’d have a scenario where both parties are greedy and untrustworthy, and have means, motive, and opportunity to seize as much power as possible, and would therefore both be negotiating in bad faith with each other towards that end.

    This could very easily lead to the breakdown of whatever alliance they entered into to get rid of Trump, and even to Republicans putting proof of electoral fraud into the public eye. (Hey: maybe that’s been “the plan” all along!)

    I’m just speculating on what’s going on, and I reiterate that we cannot know anything for certain right now, if ever. But the other point to be made is that no matter what happens, the social pressures that made Trump president aren’t going away. Organised gayness will provoke another reaction from normal people in due time.

    What I’m saying is it ain’t over til it’s over and even then it’s not over

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    there’s horse-trading behind the scenes.


    We can agree on that, but I think this was the death throes of Trumpism. I truly hope I'm wrong, but my intuition tells me so.

    The things you are predicting sound extremely far-fetched to me, but I give you credit for telling me what you really think. I predict that either the clock will simply run out, or, if they move forward with impeachment, Trump will resign.

    Of course there's no way of knowing for sure, but where's your money at right now?

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  26. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    Nonsense. Trumpism isn't even over yet. Hell, Trump likely isn't over yet, and neither is the disingenuous co-operation between the parties that we were talking about. (Recall that cartoon of Hitler and Stalin, shaking hands and holding knives behind their backs.)

    Trump's extended absence from the public eye is either his doing or it isn't, and if it's the former - maybe even if it's the latter - I don't see that what I spoke about before changes all that much. Both parties will still be trying to maximise their positions at the expense of each other's - and this is all the more likely if they think Trump's out for the count, since there'd be no reason to maintain the alliance anymore. Knives out!

    With the caveat that nothing is at it seems at the moment, it seems clear that the Republicans have declined the opportunity to hold the senate by backing Trump. This leaves them with two options:

    1. Take the L
    2. Take the senate, and the house, and the presidency

    Number 1's a terrible option. The Democrats would have four years to box them out and tempt away their donors, and many of their voters won't be showing up in '22 and '24. (It's not clear the Republicans understand this last point.)

    Number 2? (lol, number 2) Number 2's possible. Suppose Trump really is gone: what, exactly, is stopping Pence from seizing power via the 25th amendment and "finding" some evidence of vote fraud that undoes the election and gives the Republicans all three houses?

    You might think that's far-fetched, but - again, assuming that things are as they seem - I guarantee Pence and McConnell et al are thinking about it right now.

    Perhaps the Democrats see this coming, and there's horse-trading behind the scenes. Pelosi and Schumer are threatening to impeach Trump if Pence doesn't invoke the 25th; I don't know the constitution, but I suppose if they've got the votes to impeach Trump, they might conceivably have the votes to impeach Pence right afterwards. I don't see why that's not possible. So, if any of this is on point, we'd have a scenario where both parties are greedy and untrustworthy, and have means, motive, and opportunity to seize as much power as possible, and would therefore both be negotiating in bad faith with each other towards that end.

    This could very easily lead to the breakdown of whatever alliance they entered into to get rid of Trump, and even to Republicans putting proof of electoral fraud into the public eye. (Hey: maybe that's been "the plan" all along!)

    I'm just speculating on what's going on, and I reiterate that we cannot know anything for certain right now, if ever. But the other point to be made is that no matter what happens, the social pressures that made Trump president aren't going away. Organised gayness will provoke another reaction from normal people in due time.

    What I'm saying is it ain't over til it's over and even then it's not over

    Replies: @JimDandy

    there’s horse-trading behind the scenes.

    We can agree on that, but I think this was the death throes of Trumpism. I truly hope I’m wrong, but my intuition tells me so.

    The things you are predicting sound extremely far-fetched to me, but I give you credit for telling me what you really think. I predict that either the clock will simply run out, or, if they move forward with impeachment, Trump will resign.

    Of course there’s no way of knowing for sure, but where’s your money at right now?

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    "what I really think" - I'm just thinking out loud. I don't have firm beliefs, so my money isn't anywhere. I hope Trump wins, which might cloud my judgement.

    That said, I never "trusted the plan" to any degree until these last few weeks, and nothing in the last few days has rendered that sort of scenario any less plausible to me. I ask: are any of the players behaving like Trump is beaten?

    Why would you need to impeach a friendless lame duck president 2 weeks before the clock runs out? Why would you kick him off Twitter once he's "conceded"? And why was his concession so vague and weird?

    Did you watch any of the certification, or see Pelosi doing press afterwards? These people are visibly scared of something, and it ain't the guy in the viking hat

    Replies: @JimDandy

  27. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    there’s horse-trading behind the scenes.


    We can agree on that, but I think this was the death throes of Trumpism. I truly hope I'm wrong, but my intuition tells me so.

    The things you are predicting sound extremely far-fetched to me, but I give you credit for telling me what you really think. I predict that either the clock will simply run out, or, if they move forward with impeachment, Trump will resign.

    Of course there's no way of knowing for sure, but where's your money at right now?

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    “what I really think” – I’m just thinking out loud. I don’t have firm beliefs, so my money isn’t anywhere. I hope Trump wins, which might cloud my judgement.

    That said, I never “trusted the plan” to any degree until these last few weeks, and nothing in the last few days has rendered that sort of scenario any less plausible to me. I ask: are any of the players behaving like Trump is beaten?

    Why would you need to impeach a friendless lame duck president 2 weeks before the clock runs out? Why would you kick him off Twitter once he’s “conceded”? And why was his concession so vague and weird?

    Did you watch any of the certification, or see Pelosi doing press afterwards? These people are visibly scared of something, and it ain’t the guy in the viking hat

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It's funny that you mention it, because I noticed right off the bat that Pelosi's stiff, fight-or-flight body language and those eyes a little animal gets when they smell a predator conveyed fear--no, a better way of putting it is: the tension that comes from pre-knowledge that something big is about to happen. I'm being totally honest about this, and it made me lean forward in anticipation of... something. So, when the "invasion" started happening, of course it entered my head that letting people in, etc. was part of the plan. Whatever the case, it happened right when the rebel Republicans were finally going to officially make their case about voting improprieties. The Arizona Reps were asked if they had a Senator backing them up, and Ted Cruz stood up with his big leg jutted out like he was John Wayne amidst energetic applause. Then, you know, Vikings invaded the chambers and all that, etc. etc. CUT TO: "Uh... those objections we had? Forget we ever said anything, let's just get this done."

    Well, whatever the case, there is about a zero percent chance that they will be able to get the impeachment process through the Senate until basically the day before Biden is sworn in. So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again. I'm assuming Trump's 2024 campaign would have begun with gusto on Day 1 of the Biden presidency. But now the "attempted coup" Capitol Reichstag Fire is giving everyone from Pelosi to Big Tech an excuse to neuter him in those efforts. And, of course, millions of useful idiots are out there explaining in their best poindexter voices: "Erm, technically the First Amendment does not come into play with private platforms." Etc. Etc.

    Etc.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  28. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    "what I really think" - I'm just thinking out loud. I don't have firm beliefs, so my money isn't anywhere. I hope Trump wins, which might cloud my judgement.

    That said, I never "trusted the plan" to any degree until these last few weeks, and nothing in the last few days has rendered that sort of scenario any less plausible to me. I ask: are any of the players behaving like Trump is beaten?

    Why would you need to impeach a friendless lame duck president 2 weeks before the clock runs out? Why would you kick him off Twitter once he's "conceded"? And why was his concession so vague and weird?

    Did you watch any of the certification, or see Pelosi doing press afterwards? These people are visibly scared of something, and it ain't the guy in the viking hat

    Replies: @JimDandy

    It’s funny that you mention it, because I noticed right off the bat that Pelosi’s stiff, fight-or-flight body language and those eyes a little animal gets when they smell a predator conveyed fear–no, a better way of putting it is: the tension that comes from pre-knowledge that something big is about to happen. I’m being totally honest about this, and it made me lean forward in anticipation of… something. So, when the “invasion” started happening, of course it entered my head that letting people in, etc. was part of the plan. Whatever the case, it happened right when the rebel Republicans were finally going to officially make their case about voting improprieties. The Arizona Reps were asked if they had a Senator backing them up, and Ted Cruz stood up with his big leg jutted out like he was John Wayne amidst energetic applause. Then, you know, Vikings invaded the chambers and all that, etc. etc. CUT TO: “Uh… those objections we had? Forget we ever said anything, let’s just get this done.”

    Well, whatever the case, there is about a zero percent chance that they will be able to get the impeachment process through the Senate until basically the day before Biden is sworn in. So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again. I’m assuming Trump’s 2024 campaign would have begun with gusto on Day 1 of the Biden presidency. But now the “attempted coup” Capitol Reichstag Fire is giving everyone from Pelosi to Big Tech an excuse to neuter him in those efforts. And, of course, millions of useful idiots are out there explaining in their best poindexter voices: “Erm, technically the First Amendment does not come into play with private platforms.” Etc. Etc.

    Etc.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @JimDandy


    So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again.
     
    Yeah, basically. Trumpism is dead but they want to make sure it stays dead.

    And without Trump there really isn't any future for Trumpism.

    I suspect that at this point the GOPe would be absolutely delighted to have Trump and Trumpism permanently neutered.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    , @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    You misunderstand me: they all looked scared after the riot, and in press conferences in subsequent days. I just saw Nancy Pelosi doing an interview, her eyes darting all around the place.

    Maybe you could be forgiven for being rattled after the riot, but hours later, after the cops have sorted it out and the protestors have all gone home? The next day?

    As for stopping Trump 2024, I'm not persuaded. I don't know the constitution, but I'm sure they have plenty of legal ways to fuck with him over the next four years, all of which will be easier to sell if they can pretend they followed legitimate processes. Rushing through an impeachment in a few days? They're worried about something he might do while he's still president. But what could that be?

    Replies: @JimDandy

  29. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It's funny that you mention it, because I noticed right off the bat that Pelosi's stiff, fight-or-flight body language and those eyes a little animal gets when they smell a predator conveyed fear--no, a better way of putting it is: the tension that comes from pre-knowledge that something big is about to happen. I'm being totally honest about this, and it made me lean forward in anticipation of... something. So, when the "invasion" started happening, of course it entered my head that letting people in, etc. was part of the plan. Whatever the case, it happened right when the rebel Republicans were finally going to officially make their case about voting improprieties. The Arizona Reps were asked if they had a Senator backing them up, and Ted Cruz stood up with his big leg jutted out like he was John Wayne amidst energetic applause. Then, you know, Vikings invaded the chambers and all that, etc. etc. CUT TO: "Uh... those objections we had? Forget we ever said anything, let's just get this done."

    Well, whatever the case, there is about a zero percent chance that they will be able to get the impeachment process through the Senate until basically the day before Biden is sworn in. So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again. I'm assuming Trump's 2024 campaign would have begun with gusto on Day 1 of the Biden presidency. But now the "attempted coup" Capitol Reichstag Fire is giving everyone from Pelosi to Big Tech an excuse to neuter him in those efforts. And, of course, millions of useful idiots are out there explaining in their best poindexter voices: "Erm, technically the First Amendment does not come into play with private platforms." Etc. Etc.

    Etc.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again.

    Yeah, basically. Trumpism is dead but they want to make sure it stays dead.

    And without Trump there really isn’t any future for Trumpism.

    I suspect that at this point the GOPe would be absolutely delighted to have Trump and Trumpism permanently neutered.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @dfordoom


    ...without Trump there really isn’t any future for Trumpism.

    I suspect that at this point the GOPe would be absolutely delighted to have Trump and Trumpism permanently neutered.
     
    The GOP will be disappointed.

    Trumpism without Trump is inevitable, just like Trump was inevitable.

    And impeachment needn't stop him. Plenty of examples of people legally prohibited from holding power who find a way anyway. Look for Michelle vs. Melania in 2024!

    I kid, I kid: this shit isn't even over yet.
  30. @Jay Fink
    @Rosie

    Since it was such a close race I agree. McConnell blocking the $2000 made all the difference.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Indeed. We called that here:

    As the GOP leaves Trump to flail about impotently in his futile attempt to contest the results of the presidential election, McConnell is setting the party up for stunning losses in Georgia next week. While $3 trillion of money conjured out of thin air to spread around selectively is necessary, you see, conjuring up $4 trillion is recklessly irresponsible, entirely beyond the pale. Doubly so since the extra trillion would go directly into the pockets of Americans instead of into special interest pork barrels and into Fed-induced asset price inflation as the bulk of the initial $3 trillion is set to do. McConnel can always find money for Egypt and Israel and Pakistan and performing art centers with hundreds of millions of dollars in endowments, but nary a dime for the forgotten men and women of America.

    Would the prospect of an extra $2000 directly into their pockets be enough to persuade 1-in-100 Georgia voters who would’ve otherwise voted Republican to vote Democrat? I don’t think that’s rhetorical.

  31. @dfordoom
    @JimDandy


    So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again.
     
    Yeah, basically. Trumpism is dead but they want to make sure it stays dead.

    And without Trump there really isn't any future for Trumpism.

    I suspect that at this point the GOPe would be absolutely delighted to have Trump and Trumpism permanently neutered.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    …without Trump there really isn’t any future for Trumpism.

    I suspect that at this point the GOPe would be absolutely delighted to have Trump and Trumpism permanently neutered.

    The GOP will be disappointed.

    Trumpism without Trump is inevitable, just like Trump was inevitable.

    And impeachment needn’t stop him. Plenty of examples of people legally prohibited from holding power who find a way anyway. Look for Michelle vs. Melania in 2024!

    I kid, I kid: this shit isn’t even over yet.

  32. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It's funny that you mention it, because I noticed right off the bat that Pelosi's stiff, fight-or-flight body language and those eyes a little animal gets when they smell a predator conveyed fear--no, a better way of putting it is: the tension that comes from pre-knowledge that something big is about to happen. I'm being totally honest about this, and it made me lean forward in anticipation of... something. So, when the "invasion" started happening, of course it entered my head that letting people in, etc. was part of the plan. Whatever the case, it happened right when the rebel Republicans were finally going to officially make their case about voting improprieties. The Arizona Reps were asked if they had a Senator backing them up, and Ted Cruz stood up with his big leg jutted out like he was John Wayne amidst energetic applause. Then, you know, Vikings invaded the chambers and all that, etc. etc. CUT TO: "Uh... those objections we had? Forget we ever said anything, let's just get this done."

    Well, whatever the case, there is about a zero percent chance that they will be able to get the impeachment process through the Senate until basically the day before Biden is sworn in. So, why would they do it? To prevent Trump from running again. I'm assuming Trump's 2024 campaign would have begun with gusto on Day 1 of the Biden presidency. But now the "attempted coup" Capitol Reichstag Fire is giving everyone from Pelosi to Big Tech an excuse to neuter him in those efforts. And, of course, millions of useful idiots are out there explaining in their best poindexter voices: "Erm, technically the First Amendment does not come into play with private platforms." Etc. Etc.

    Etc.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    You misunderstand me: they all looked scared after the riot, and in press conferences in subsequent days. I just saw Nancy Pelosi doing an interview, her eyes darting all around the place.

    Maybe you could be forgiven for being rattled after the riot, but hours later, after the cops have sorted it out and the protestors have all gone home? The next day?

    As for stopping Trump 2024, I’m not persuaded. I don’t know the constitution, but I’m sure they have plenty of legal ways to fuck with him over the next four years, all of which will be easier to sell if they can pretend they followed legitimate processes. Rushing through an impeachment in a few days? They’re worried about something he might do while he’s still president. But what could that be?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yeah, man, I don't know. The possibility that she, like any politician or public figure, could be assassinated pretty easily might have dawned on her. It's interesting that there haven't been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I'm aware of throughout all of these days of rage. Hundreds of thousands of extreme Second Amendment enthusiasts angrily congregated it DC and not one gun crime? What a dangerous mob of revolutionaries!

    God, what a grotesque character she is. What drives her?

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  33. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy

    You misunderstand me: they all looked scared after the riot, and in press conferences in subsequent days. I just saw Nancy Pelosi doing an interview, her eyes darting all around the place.

    Maybe you could be forgiven for being rattled after the riot, but hours later, after the cops have sorted it out and the protestors have all gone home? The next day?

    As for stopping Trump 2024, I'm not persuaded. I don't know the constitution, but I'm sure they have plenty of legal ways to fuck with him over the next four years, all of which will be easier to sell if they can pretend they followed legitimate processes. Rushing through an impeachment in a few days? They're worried about something he might do while he's still president. But what could that be?

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yeah, man, I don’t know. The possibility that she, like any politician or public figure, could be assassinated pretty easily might have dawned on her. It’s interesting that there haven’t been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I’m aware of throughout all of these days of rage. Hundreds of thousands of extreme Second Amendment enthusiasts angrily congregated it DC and not one gun crime? What a dangerous mob of revolutionaries!

    God, what a grotesque character she is. What drives her?

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy


    It’s interesting that there haven’t been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I’m aware of throughout all of these days of rage.
     
    Q-types say they tried to kill Trump a whole bunch of times, lol

    Wikipedia says an Arkansas state senator, Linda Collins-Smith (R) got assassinated in 2019.

    They also say that Dylann Roof killed a senator too, which was news to me.

    (That was always reported as a "hate crime", not a political assassination. Interestingly, Wikipedia says that "when [Roof] walked into the historic African-American church, he immediately asked for Pinckney and sat down next to him". I wonder why nobody ever speculated thusly? But maybe there's a whole conspiracy theory I'm not aware of.)

    Then of course there were the assaults on Rand Paul and Steve Scalise; more recently, Brian Kemp's daughter's boyfriend suffered a "tragic accident".

    Broadly, though, I think we need to consider (1) that any gun-toting redneck smart enough to pull off an assassination is probably also smart enough to realise how politically counterproductive it would be, and (2) not to "go there", but probably very few assassinations are truly carried out by ordinary members of the public.

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.
     
    Agreed. We've got no idea. Trump hasn't even been seen in public for days. Hey, maybe there's your assassination!

    Replies: @JimDandy

  34. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yeah, man, I don't know. The possibility that she, like any politician or public figure, could be assassinated pretty easily might have dawned on her. It's interesting that there haven't been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I'm aware of throughout all of these days of rage. Hundreds of thousands of extreme Second Amendment enthusiasts angrily congregated it DC and not one gun crime? What a dangerous mob of revolutionaries!

    God, what a grotesque character she is. What drives her?

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    It’s interesting that there haven’t been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I’m aware of throughout all of these days of rage.

    Q-types say they tried to kill Trump a whole bunch of times, lol

    Wikipedia says an Arkansas state senator, Linda Collins-Smith (R) got assassinated in 2019.

    They also say that Dylann Roof killed a senator too, which was news to me.

    (That was always reported as a “hate crime”, not a political assassination. Interestingly, Wikipedia says that “when [Roof] walked into the historic African-American church, he immediately asked for Pinckney and sat down next to him”. I wonder why nobody ever speculated thusly? But maybe there’s a whole conspiracy theory I’m not aware of.)

    Then of course there were the assaults on Rand Paul and Steve Scalise; more recently, Brian Kemp’s daughter’s boyfriend suffered a “tragic accident”.

    Broadly, though, I think we need to consider (1) that any gun-toting redneck smart enough to pull off an assassination is probably also smart enough to realise how politically counterproductive it would be, and (2) not to “go there”, but probably very few assassinations are truly carried out by ordinary members of the public.

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.

    Agreed. We’ve got no idea. Trump hasn’t even been seen in public for days. Hey, maybe there’s your assassination!

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Wow, that's amazing, I had no idea there was a politician there, and not just any politician:

    "As a state senator, Pinckney pushed for laws to require police and other law enforcement officials to wear body cameras after Walter Scott, an unarmed black man, was shot eight times in the back by a police officer in North Charleston. In April 2015, Pinckney gave an impassioned speech on the topic at the South Carolina Senate, citing the fact that national news had come to North Charleston because of the video tape of the incident.

    South Carolina State House
    In 2001, Pinckney, along with senator Maggie Glover, proposed a bill for the Pan-African flag, designed by Marcus Garvey, to be displayed at the South Carolina State House. They wanted competition with the Confederate flag at the Confederate Soldier Monument which was less than 100 miles away."

    Antifa marched in DC on December 6th while displaying that flag.

    Pinckney was a soldier in the race war. That doesn't even come close to justifying what Roof did, but it establishes a motive, and some of us want to know that kind of thing! It always struck me as so bizarre that he traveled to some random black church to slaughter a bunch of random black Christians.

    At first the media narrative was that Roof became a deranged, homicidal racist because his girlfriend left him for a black guy. That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist, who would go on to enable our pathetic media again by threatening a bunch of synagogues with bomb threats in an attempt to frame his white ex-girlfriend... because he was mad that she dumped him. When Trump became president the media demanded to know what he was going to do about the recent spike in threats to synagogues. Trump mentioned that a lot of those kinds of things turn out to be false flags. He was viciously ridiculed as a total idiot. Then it came out that the disgraced black journalist was responsible for a lot of them. Most of the other "threats" were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.

    Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

  35. @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy


    It’s interesting that there haven’t been any assassinations or publicly-known attempts that I’m aware of throughout all of these days of rage.
     
    Q-types say they tried to kill Trump a whole bunch of times, lol

    Wikipedia says an Arkansas state senator, Linda Collins-Smith (R) got assassinated in 2019.

    They also say that Dylann Roof killed a senator too, which was news to me.

    (That was always reported as a "hate crime", not a political assassination. Interestingly, Wikipedia says that "when [Roof] walked into the historic African-American church, he immediately asked for Pinckney and sat down next to him". I wonder why nobody ever speculated thusly? But maybe there's a whole conspiracy theory I'm not aware of.)

    Then of course there were the assaults on Rand Paul and Steve Scalise; more recently, Brian Kemp's daughter's boyfriend suffered a "tragic accident".

    Broadly, though, I think we need to consider (1) that any gun-toting redneck smart enough to pull off an assassination is probably also smart enough to realise how politically counterproductive it would be, and (2) not to "go there", but probably very few assassinations are truly carried out by ordinary members of the public.

    Anyway, as for what is going on right now, and what will happen, time will tell, I guess.
     
    Agreed. We've got no idea. Trump hasn't even been seen in public for days. Hey, maybe there's your assassination!

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Wow, that’s amazing, I had no idea there was a politician there, and not just any politician:

    “As a state senator, Pinckney pushed for laws to require police and other law enforcement officials to wear body cameras after Walter Scott, an unarmed black man, was shot eight times in the back by a police officer in North Charleston. In April 2015, Pinckney gave an impassioned speech on the topic at the South Carolina Senate, citing the fact that national news had come to North Charleston because of the video tape of the incident.

    South Carolina State House
    In 2001, Pinckney, along with senator Maggie Glover, proposed a bill for the Pan-African flag, designed by Marcus Garvey, to be displayed at the South Carolina State House. They wanted competition with the Confederate flag at the Confederate Soldier Monument which was less than 100 miles away.”

    Antifa marched in DC on December 6th while displaying that flag.

    Pinckney was a soldier in the race war. That doesn’t even come close to justifying what Roof did, but it establishes a motive, and some of us want to know that kind of thing! It always struck me as so bizarre that he traveled to some random black church to slaughter a bunch of random black Christians.

    At first the media narrative was that Roof became a deranged, homicidal racist because his girlfriend left him for a black guy. That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist, who would go on to enable our pathetic media again by threatening a bunch of synagogues with bomb threats in an attempt to frame his white ex-girlfriend… because he was mad that she dumped him. When Trump became president the media demanded to know what he was going to do about the recent spike in threats to synagogues. Trump mentioned that a lot of those kinds of things turn out to be false flags. He was viciously ridiculed as a total idiot. Then it came out that the disgraced black journalist was responsible for a lot of them. Most of the other “threats” were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.

    • Replies: @Barack Obama's secret Unz account
    @JimDandy


    Dylann Roof
     
    I agree that "assassinating a politician" is a more reasonable-sounding motive, but not reasonable enough for it to make any sense to me.

    Firstly, if killing Pinckney was the motive, Roof still killed eight other people, none of them politicians. What for?

    Secondly, Pinckney still seems pretty obscure. How the hell does that bowlchopped goofball even know who he is, let alone find out what church he goes to? What, he's upset about some stupid Kwanzaa-grade political theatre from when he was like 5 years old?

    Thirdly, it's stupid to think that killing Pinckney would have the political impact that we might assume Roof would want. What exactly is gonna happen? Surely anybody politically-informed enough to know which state senators are black nationalists, and intelligent and patient enough to track them down to their church without alerting any security, is also smart enough to know that right-wing political violence is going to be completely ineffective.

    I'd believe somebody put him up to it, but even then, Pinckney's black nationalism (or whatever we want to call it) doesn't seem much of a motive: anybody ruthless and smart enough to assassinate someone via patsy must surely be capable of the political calculation I just made.

    I think the wilder conspiracy theory explanations make more sense here. False flag, fake event, MKULTRA... Roof's definitely got the crazy eyes for that last one. But who knows.

    Pinckney
     
    I wonder if that name's a contraction of "piccaninny"?

    That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist...
     
    lol, I never knew that. What was the guy's name?

    Most of the other “threats” were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.
     
    I believe it was actually just one Jew in Israel, a teenage boy. But I might be wrong. Either way, your point stands.

    Replies: @JimDandy

  36. @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Wow, that's amazing, I had no idea there was a politician there, and not just any politician:

    "As a state senator, Pinckney pushed for laws to require police and other law enforcement officials to wear body cameras after Walter Scott, an unarmed black man, was shot eight times in the back by a police officer in North Charleston. In April 2015, Pinckney gave an impassioned speech on the topic at the South Carolina Senate, citing the fact that national news had come to North Charleston because of the video tape of the incident.

    South Carolina State House
    In 2001, Pinckney, along with senator Maggie Glover, proposed a bill for the Pan-African flag, designed by Marcus Garvey, to be displayed at the South Carolina State House. They wanted competition with the Confederate flag at the Confederate Soldier Monument which was less than 100 miles away."

    Antifa marched in DC on December 6th while displaying that flag.

    Pinckney was a soldier in the race war. That doesn't even come close to justifying what Roof did, but it establishes a motive, and some of us want to know that kind of thing! It always struck me as so bizarre that he traveled to some random black church to slaughter a bunch of random black Christians.

    At first the media narrative was that Roof became a deranged, homicidal racist because his girlfriend left him for a black guy. That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist, who would go on to enable our pathetic media again by threatening a bunch of synagogues with bomb threats in an attempt to frame his white ex-girlfriend... because he was mad that she dumped him. When Trump became president the media demanded to know what he was going to do about the recent spike in threats to synagogues. Trump mentioned that a lot of those kinds of things turn out to be false flags. He was viciously ridiculed as a total idiot. Then it came out that the disgraced black journalist was responsible for a lot of them. Most of the other "threats" were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.

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    Dylann Roof

    I agree that “assassinating a politician” is a more reasonable-sounding motive, but not reasonable enough for it to make any sense to me.

    Firstly, if killing Pinckney was the motive, Roof still killed eight other people, none of them politicians. What for?

    Secondly, Pinckney still seems pretty obscure. How the hell does that bowlchopped goofball even know who he is, let alone find out what church he goes to? What, he’s upset about some stupid Kwanzaa-grade political theatre from when he was like 5 years old?

    Thirdly, it’s stupid to think that killing Pinckney would have the political impact that we might assume Roof would want. What exactly is gonna happen? Surely anybody politically-informed enough to know which state senators are black nationalists, and intelligent and patient enough to track them down to their church without alerting any security, is also smart enough to know that right-wing political violence is going to be completely ineffective.

    I’d believe somebody put him up to it, but even then, Pinckney’s black nationalism (or whatever we want to call it) doesn’t seem much of a motive: anybody ruthless and smart enough to assassinate someone via patsy must surely be capable of the political calculation I just made.

    I think the wilder conspiracy theory explanations make more sense here. False flag, fake event, MKULTRA… Roof’s definitely got the crazy eyes for that last one. But who knows.

    Pinckney

    I wonder if that name’s a contraction of “piccaninny”?

    That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist…

    lol, I never knew that. What was the guy’s name?

    Most of the other “threats” were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.

    I believe it was actually just one Jew in Israel, a teenage boy. But I might be wrong. Either way, your point stands.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
    @Barack Obama's secret Unz account

    Yes, the official story now is that one unbalanced Jewish teen in Israel was responsible, though I have read assertions (here at Unz, I think) that the operation was a bit more complex than that

    Yeah, The Dylan Roof story has always seemed incredibly strange to me. The idiot's name was Juan Thompson.

    "Then Thompson, who’s black, took to Twitter: “Know any good lawyers?” he wrote. “Need to stop this nasty/racist #whitegirl I dated who sent a bomb threat in my name.” He later tweeted to the FBI: “I’m been (sic) tormented by an anti-Semite. She sent an antijewish bomb threat in my name. Help.”

    But police say it was all a hoax, created to make the woman look guilty.

    Thompson, a former journalist, was fired from the online publication The Intercept last year after being accused of fabricating several quotes and creating fake email accounts to impersonate people, including the Intercept’s editor-in-chief. One of the falsified stories involved Dylann Roof, the Charleston, South Carolina, church shooter."

    https://www.postandcourier.com/news/former-journalist-who-fabricated-story-about-dylann-roof-arrested-over-threats-to-jewish-institutions/article_01d4de8e-002e-11e7-ae3f-e3b222035ca2.html

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    @JimDandy


    Dylann Roof
     
    I agree that "assassinating a politician" is a more reasonable-sounding motive, but not reasonable enough for it to make any sense to me.

    Firstly, if killing Pinckney was the motive, Roof still killed eight other people, none of them politicians. What for?

    Secondly, Pinckney still seems pretty obscure. How the hell does that bowlchopped goofball even know who he is, let alone find out what church he goes to? What, he's upset about some stupid Kwanzaa-grade political theatre from when he was like 5 years old?

    Thirdly, it's stupid to think that killing Pinckney would have the political impact that we might assume Roof would want. What exactly is gonna happen? Surely anybody politically-informed enough to know which state senators are black nationalists, and intelligent and patient enough to track them down to their church without alerting any security, is also smart enough to know that right-wing political violence is going to be completely ineffective.

    I'd believe somebody put him up to it, but even then, Pinckney's black nationalism (or whatever we want to call it) doesn't seem much of a motive: anybody ruthless and smart enough to assassinate someone via patsy must surely be capable of the political calculation I just made.

    I think the wilder conspiracy theory explanations make more sense here. False flag, fake event, MKULTRA... Roof's definitely got the crazy eyes for that last one. But who knows.

    Pinckney
     
    I wonder if that name's a contraction of "piccaninny"?

    That story turned out to be totally made up by a black journalist...
     
    lol, I never knew that. What was the guy's name?

    Most of the other “threats” were discovered to have been the work of Jews in Israel.
     
    I believe it was actually just one Jew in Israel, a teenage boy. But I might be wrong. Either way, your point stands.

    Replies: @JimDandy

    Yes, the official story now is that one unbalanced Jewish teen in Israel was responsible, though I have read assertions (here at Unz, I think) that the operation was a bit more complex than that

    Yeah, The Dylan Roof story has always seemed incredibly strange to me. The idiot’s name was Juan Thompson.

    “Then Thompson, who’s black, took to Twitter: “Know any good lawyers?” he wrote. “Need to stop this nasty/racist #whitegirl I dated who sent a bomb threat in my name.” He later tweeted to the FBI: “I’m been (sic) tormented by an anti-Semite. She sent an antijewish bomb threat in my name. Help.”

    But police say it was all a hoax, created to make the woman look guilty.

    Thompson, a former journalist, was fired from the online publication The Intercept last year after being accused of fabricating several quotes and creating fake email accounts to impersonate people, including the Intercept’s editor-in-chief. One of the falsified stories involved Dylann Roof, the Charleston, South Carolina, church shooter.”

    https://www.postandcourier.com/news/former-journalist-who-fabricated-story-about-dylann-roof-arrested-over-threats-to-jewish-institutions/article_01d4de8e-002e-11e7-ae3f-e3b222035ca2.html

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