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How people voted by the issue they identified as the most important one facing the country. Note the percentages of all voters identifying an issue as most important on the horizontal axis; Covid was top of mind for many:

The president may have physically beaten the virus, but it pummeled him politically.

The polarization in America is getting to the point where merely identifying an issue as important sends a strong signal about a person’s political orientation. One needn’t even put forward an opinion on the topic for the perception to be created.

Donald Trump’s signature issue, immigration, has declined drastically in importance during his time in office. In the GOP primaries and during his first general election campaign, he drove immigration to the forefront of Republicans’ minds. Or maybe he rode the wave of concern about immigration to the front of the line. Whatever the cause and effect, as recently as a couple of years ago a plurality of Republican voters and a substantial number of independents and Democrats identified immigration as the most important issue facing the country.

That’s ancient history now, the issue having reclinated back to the salience, or lack thereof, it had in 2008. No doubt the Covid crackdown leading to a sharp decline in immigration into the US is a part of that decline in interest, but it is remarkable even taking that into account.

Immigration plays no obvious roll in the current convulsions roiling the country. Will it become a driving issue again in American politics, or will the focus instead be on emigration? Joking, joking… sort of.

 
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  1. The “immigration” issue is just a cover for the real concern: demographic changes that result in the displacement and dispossession of the European-origin founding stock of the United States. But even to express it in those terms is racist and offensive outside of the dissident right. President Harris and her successrs will just open the floodgates and let in immigrants until the U.S. has deteriorated so much that it no longer attracts immigrants.

  2. Dumbo says:

    Is there something that the magical “corona” cannot do?

    But, as anti-lockdown protests intensify around the world, I predict that this issue is going to turn against globalists soon. In Germany, for example, both left-wing and right-wing are united against the “permanent lockdown state”. In Italy, the Conte government is becoming very unpopular and I doubt it will last for very long, at some point Salvini or someone else on the populist side will come back.

    Trump’s mistake was not having a coherent stance on corona, he was all over the place, sometimes saying it’s nothing, sometimes saying it was terrible and China’s fault, sometimes promising a vaccine for millions. And hiring Fauci.

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Polite Derelict
  3. Wielgus says:
    @Dumbo

    Overall it probably damaged Trump far more than it helped him, although lockdowns also hurt people and resentment of them may have been starting to help him in the last weeks of the campaign. That was certainly my impression from Europe, but people actually in the USA might disagree.

  4. The polarization in America is getting to the point where merely identifying an issue as important sends a strong signal about a person’s political orientation. One needn’t even put forward an opinion on the topic for the perception to be created.

    Nice use of the passive voice there. Who’s fault is it, pray tell. Your fault!

    • Replies: @Curle
  5. Realist says:

    These charts are useless in determining the will of the people…most Americans change their minds more often than underwear.

    This country has become the shit hole it is, because the vast majority of Americans are stupid.

    • Replies: @Joseph Doaks
    , @dfordoom
  6. Sean says:

    Where was corona exported from again?

    Trump’s big issue was China as I recall. Lo and behold, he gets Chinacrushed!

  7. iffen says:

    Hey! I don’t even get an honorable mention for COTW?

    iffen says:
    November 8, 2020 at 9:49 pm GMT • 6.7 days ago • 100 Words ↑
    @Talha
    Is there a poll that breaks down what exactly attracted the voters to their particular candidate, you know; foreign policy position, fiscal plan, morals/ethics, etc.

    Since the vote was so close in many states there are numerous explanations. If I had to choose just one it would be Covid. It likely kept a few % of old white people home on election day, not to mention the numbers of voters who blame the weather on the President and vote accordingly, and that group would definitely blame Trump for Covid.

  8. The Glob used corona to hurt Trump.


    • Replies: @Targaleto
  9. Targaleto says:
    @Priss Factor

    It’s gonna be hard to get good programmers and graphic designers for Trump’s “news” company. Nobody wants to have Trump News Inc on their resume, nor, considering his treatment of Steve Bannon, Darren Beattie, and Jeff Sessions, will they trust their job security at Trump News Inc. So it’ll wind up being outsourced to India. Sad!

  10. Democrats are lying to pollsters. Immigration is a huge issue for them. Specifically, stopping Trump’s immigration agenda may be #1 for them, and can probably be folded into the “racism” and “climate change” bars since they’ve linked immigration to both of those issues.

  11. I disagree. The virus matter had an impact, but not from the virus itself. Buy rather how it was used. I don’t think republicans considered the virus a primary voting issue.

    Nothing the current executive did had any impact on who got COVID

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  12. Jay Fink says:

    I think a lot of people vote more on disgust towards the other side than any particular issue.

    • Agree: AnotherDad
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @dfordoom
  13. iffen says:
    @Jay Fink

    I think a lot of people vote more on disgust towards the other side than any particular issue.

    Biden was considerable less disgusting and had lower negatives with white men than did Clinton. Likely enough to more than account for the margins.

  14. @EliteCommInc.

    The virus justified Mail-invoting.

    I think there’s no chance Biden wins without Mail-in.

    • Agree: DanHessinMD, ic1000
  15. Dutch Boy says:

    Trump did not emphasize immigration this time (his signature issue in 2016). He also should have hammered the Democratic governors constantly about their mishandling of the corona virus response and the mortality and economic damage it caused. That might have made the issue a plus rather than a minus for him. He also should have replaced Fauci quickly once Dr. F had lost his credibility (the virus is no problem, don’t wear a mask, everyone should wear a mask all the time except if you are having sex with a stranger you met online, China is being completely forthright about the virus, etc.).

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  16. @Realist

    “This country has become the shit hole it is, because the vast majority of Americans are stupid.”

    I think the vast majority of Americans are ignorant, misinformed and complacent, but only about one fourth of them are actually stupid. Thinking is hard — easier to let someone else do it for you!

    • Replies: @Realist
  17. Trump did an outstanding job on Corona. His Corona strategy had two important aspects, and he did a great job on both fronts.

    (1) Rush a vaccine as soon as possible while the left wanted to slow-walk everything

    (2) Don’t destroy American freedom

    On the first count, he has done as well as could be hoped and got F’ed over by Pfizer and the FDA who froze their big announcement until after the election just to wreck him.

    On the second count, he did the right thing but was punished badly for it. Sometimes you are punished for the doing the right thing. It turns out, Americans don’t treasure freedom much at all, and are delighted to be shut in their homes most of the time and confined to wear face-diapers for the remainder. Trump’s side manfully embraced life and did not let themselves be overcome by fear of a virus with a very low mortality rate. Biden’s side embraced fear, lockdowns and cowardice. Guess which side resonated with America? That is the blackest of black pills in 2020.

    Folks blaming Trump for not going all in on WN are idiots. Trump beat Kris Kobach’s performance in Kansas by 20 points! Trump won Kansas in a landslide after Kobach got blown out. Ann Coulter, bless her heart, has never won an election for town dog catcher or class treasurer. She is childless and doesn’t do religion as far as I know. From wiki — “Kellyanne Conway, who refers to Coulter as a friend, told New York magazine in 2017 that Coulter “started dating her security guard probably ten years ago because she couldn’t see anybody else”.” Oof! Hardly the type that propelled America upward during its incredible rise. Her political instincts are way beneath those of Trump.

    America doesn’t want to be great again, its that simple. I called the top in 2018. As in, the cresting of human civilization, across the whole expanse of time.

    I am sticking with that call.

    God bless Trump! What an effort!

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  18. @Dutch Boy

    Fauci today:

    “I would recommend to people to not abandon all public health measures just because you’ve been vaccinated…” and also, please cancel Christmas.

    America loves this guy, I am sorry to say.

    Yes, America actually likes forever lockdown, true story.

    How America can rise upward from here with a mindset like that is something even I, with a genius-level intellect, cannot figure out. Any guesses, anyone?

    Trump is a man full of life, energy and hope. Entirely inappropriate for America in 2020.

    • Replies: @Targaleto
  19. Targaleto says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Maybe you’re not such a genius after all? Do you watch Rick and Morty, and understand the jokes?

    I’ve known a lot of losers in my life, and one commonality is the idea that really wanting something, believing you can do it, having hope and faith and optimism and happy happy talk can trump reality and make it happen.

    • Replies: @Curle
  20. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    This country has become the shit hole it is, because the vast majority of Americans are stupid.

    That’s a common criticism of democracy but it’s not quite true. Most people are not stupid.

    They simply don’t have the expertise to have intelligent opinions on every political issue (and these days everything is a political issue). They don’t have the training or the background or the specialised knowledge to have intelligent opinions on eastern European diplomacy, Modern Monetary Theory, the advantages and disadvantages of nuclear power, the complexities of the current Chinese political/economic system, the rights and wrongs of the Armenia-Azerbaijan War. They don’t have the training or the background or the specialised knowledge to weigh up the evidence for and against climate change, infection control procedures such as mask-wearing, the pros and cons of NATO membership, the pros and cons of BRICS or the Belt and Road initiative, the desirability or otherwise of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, etc.

    But democracy is based on the assumption that ordinary people should have opinions on all these subjects.

    Given that ordinary people cannot have informed opinions on these subjects (apart from anything else the average person doesn’t have the time to make detailed studies of all these topics) it is inevitable that ordinary people will base their opinions on these subjects on pure emotion. There’s nothing else they can do.

    It’s not stupidity. It’s the unreasonable assumption that every citizen should be an expert on every subject.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Thanks: Jtgw, Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @for-the-record
  21. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Jay Fink

    I think a lot of people vote more on disgust towards the other side than any particular issue.

    Yes. For many people it’s a question of voting for the candidate they hate least. They vote for what they see as the lesser of two evils.

    • Agree: Talha
  22. Realist says:
    @dfordoom

    It’s not stupidity. It’s the unreasonable assumption that every citizen should be an expert on every subject.

    One doesn’t need to be an expert on every subject…just be able to think for yourself and recognize bullshit when you hear or see it.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Thomasina
  23. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    On the second count, he did the right thing but was punished badly for it. Sometimes you are punished for the doing the right thing. It turns out, Americans don’t treasure freedom much at all, and are delighted to be shut in their homes most of the time and confined to wear face-diapers for the remainder. Trump’s side manfully embraced life and did not let themselves be overcome by fear of a virus with a very low mortality rate. Biden’s side embraced fear, lockdowns and cowardice. Guess which side resonated with America? That is the blackest of black pills in 2020.

    I think you’re being a little unfair on Americans. Trump’s mistake was that he failed to understand that of course a brand new virus with unknown long-term effects was going to scare the daylights out of people. Dismissing people’s fears was a huge mistake. It made him look like an uncaring jerk. And being seen as an uncaring jerk is a particular danger for a Republican candidate because long experience has taught people that many (if not most) Republicans really are uncaring jerks.

    Trump won in 2016 because he seemed to be something different – a Republican who wasn’t a vicious callous cynical jerk. Then when COVID came along he behaved in a manner that was inevitably going to make him look like a vicious callous cynical jerk. I’m not saying that Trump is a vicious callous cynical jerk (although he might be). But he ended up looking like one.

    And even worse for a Republican, he came across as a typical Republican who puts profits before people. Again I’m not saying that’s a fair description of Trump, but it’s appearances that matter.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  24. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Realist

    It’s not stupidity. It’s the unreasonable assumption that every citizen should be an expert on every subject.

    One doesn’t need to be an expert on every subject…just be able to think for yourself and recognize bullshit when you hear or see it.

    How can you recognise bullshit on subjects of which you have no specialised knowledge? It just isn’t possible.

    • Replies: @Curle
    , @Realist
  25. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Targaleto

    It’s gonna be hard to get good programmers and graphic designers for Trump’s “news” company. Nobody wants to have Trump News Inc on their resume, nor, considering his treatment of Steve Bannon, Darren Beattie, and Jeff Sessions, will they trust their job security at Trump News Inc.

    And he can forget relying on advertising revenue because he won’t get any. No corporation, large or small, is going to risk supporting any Trump news company with advertising.

    So the question is whether he’d be prepared to run such an operation at a huge loss. Is he rich enough to do that?

    • Replies: @Rosie
  26. @dfordoom

    dfordoom —

    “I think you’re being a little unfair on Americans. ”

    You are an Australian, bro. What are you doing acting like an expert on our politics. I can confidently say you are about 10,000 miles outside your area of expertise. You haven’t ever been to a Trump rally and you have no idea what the American heartland is like.

    Trump held long press conferences every day for many weeks with Dr. Fauci empathizing about the Coronavirus. You wouldn’t know much about that because they happened while you were asleep in a country far, far away. But there was no stopping Coronavirus in America. It exploded in our wonderfully diverse cities whre rule following doesn’t exist. You would understand that if you lived here.

    But Coronavirus isn’t everything. In 2020, the American spirit became pathetic over a virus that turns out to be much less serious than people thought. Compared to the freedom-loving spirit that America has had, there has been a steep decline in 2020, which you wouldn’t know about of course.

    I wouldn’t act like an expert on Australian presidential politics. It isn’t my country and I don’t live there.

    The argument about freedom sailed right over your head, which should not be a surprise.

    If I was an Australian, I would be part of an independence movement looking for ways for Australia to stop being America’s little dog. How is it that Australia’s finest, most freedom loving citizen, Julian Assange, rots in a prison in London for breaking American law when he isn’t even American?

    Oh yeah, it is because our Deep State regards Australians as Americans, only with less rights. That’s how we can have Australia’s best guy dragged out of an embassy and tossed in England’s worst prison. Don’t be mad at me, bro, I am speaking out for Australian freedom. I wish my country wouldn’t enslave Australians.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  27. Thomasina says:
    @Realist

    “One doesn’t need to be an expert on every subject…just be able to think for yourself and recognize bullshit when you hear or see it.”

    I just recognized bullshit!

    Come on, get serious. The experts can’t even agree on important topics, and yet you expect an ordinary citizen to weed through the chaff?

    You have to know quite a bit about a particular subject before you can ever detect bullshit, and that takes time, time that ordinary citizens don’t have. And then after reading all the different opinions, if you’re lucky enough to find an expert who you think is telling the truth, often you find out he’s a paid industry lackey.

    And most of the time, on contentious issues, important information is being censored, books are banned, and people with differing opinions are labeled as “conspiracy theorists” and you’re warned not to listen to them.

    Yeah, it’s a piece of cake recognizing bullshit! (sarc)

    People are not stupid; they’re purposely being kept in the dark, confused. No wonder they’d rather watch “The Voice”; they can actually hear when someone is off key.

    • Replies: @Realist
  28. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    The argument about freedom sailed right over your head, which should not be a surprise.

    Fear will always trump freedom. That has nothing to do with Americans. It applies to everyone. When people are afraid they think about their fears rather than worrying about freedoms.

    And there’s no point in arguing that their fears were irrational. Fear is not a rational thing.

    A basic knowledge of human nature makes people’s responses to the coronavirus easily explicable. Their first response was a desire to be protected.

    In 2020, the American spirit became pathetic over a virus that turns out to be much less serious than people thought.

    Not pathetic, just human. And we’re still not entirely sure that the disease has no long-term consequences.

    Compared to the freedom-loving spirit that America has had, there has been a steep decline in 2020, which you wouldn’t know about of course.

    It’s happened throughout the world. In every country where lockdowns have been instituted they have been extremely popular. In every country people have willingly traded freedom for security, because that’s how humans work. When things get scary we want Nanny to protect us.

  29. Rosie says:
    @dfordoom

    And he can forget relying on advertising revenue because he won’t get any. No corporation, large or small, is going to risk supporting any Trump news company with advertising.

    Surely you jest. Aren’t (((they))) always telling us that a goy can start a news outlet any time if we have a problem with them owning everything?

  30. Trump got his own testicles crushed by ignoring the virus and falsely blaming it on China when everybody knows it actually escaped from USAMRIID, Fort Detrick, then spread abroad to Europe and China before mutating and coming back to America from mainly Europe.

    When Trump learnt about this from his pet-pig Pompeo, he fucking panicked and pulled the USA out of the WHO to stop the WHO from tracing the origin of the virus back to the USA.

    This humiliating loss for the great Pussolini is all on his own ticket, all he had to do was to ask ppl to wear masks, do a bit of social distancing, no need to even lockdown, and he would be home and dry, a winner in 2020.

    But he has to go and self-destruct himself like he always does in his business deals. like how he self-destructed in his 2 biggest property deals, his Plaza Hotel NY and his Avenue of Americas/555CalifSt where Chinese businessmen literally raped his ass and left him blubbering and screaming, trying dozens of lawsuits against them, every one which failed eventually, just like all his false lawsuits over the election which are all failing or have failed already.

    What a loser and sucker. These 2 labels will define him all thru history.

  31. Curle says:
    @Alexander Turok

    “Who’s fault is it, pray tell.”

    I vote for the filthy communists, internationalists, Antifa and their international banking friends! What’s my prize for winning?

  32. Curle says:
    @Targaleto

    I don’t disagree, but you miss the other critical error the losers make, they do no groundwork and haven’t reasonably assessed the competition or the odds. That Trump won once takes him out of that category.

  33. Curle says:
    @dfordoom

    No. There are lots of heuristics one can use to reasonably assess the reliability of a claimant without expertise regarding the claim. BS claims tend to follow BS claimants.

    One useful test is does the person making a claim have an reasonably good understanding of his own argument’s weak points and can they describe those weaknesses to you? If they can’t describe a weakness they haven’t done enough research to be an authority. The only person you should ever trust is that person who is so knowledgeable they can almost convince you of both their position and that of their greatest opponent.

  34. Dave Pinsen says: • Website

    Trump’s success on immigration made the issue less salient.

    • Agree: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
  35. Talha says:

    Interesting tweet from Snowden from last year:

    Peace.

  36. Twinkie says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    Trump’s success on immigration made the issue less salient.

    This is why many single-issue advocacy groups in DC rarely want to achieve their purported pet causes and basically turn into status quo-serving rackets (sadly, I include the NRA in this regard). Basically they want to tout small tactical victories and lots of scare-mongering of defeats to fill the coffers.

    Why would you remove your org’s raison d’être and solve yourself permanently out of a lucrative piggy bank?

    Immigration – both legal and illegal – did dramatically decline during Trump’s term. Meanwhile COVID sucked up all the oxygen (pun intended) and diverted attention (and votes) away from immigration and the (pre-COVID) economy that remain Trump’s strongest issues.

    • Agree: iffen
  37. @dfordoom

    it is inevitable that ordinary people will base their opinions on these subjects on pure emotion

    This would perhaps be true if they were forming their opinions in a vacuum. I think it would probably be more accurate to say that externally-received information (media, schools, etc.) plays at least an important role as “pure emotions”. I see this regularly even in the circle of people with whom I associate, who tend to be highly educated.

    • Agree: iffen
  38. Realist says:
    @dfordoom

    How can you recognise bullshit on subjects of which you have no specialised knowledge? It just isn’t possible.

    Fine have it your way. You are making excuses for the indifference Americans have for their well being. Why do you think the Deep State has taken over?

  39. Realist says:
    @Thomasina

    Yeah, it’s a piece of cake recognizing bullshit! (sarc)

    It is for intelligent people…sorry you can’t.

    Your making excuses for American stupidity.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
    , @Realist
  40. Realist says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    I think the vast majority of Americans are ignorant, misinformed and complacent, but only about one fourth of them are actually stupid.

    Sounds like a definition of stupidity to me.

  41. Thomasina says:
    @Realist

    And you just displayed your stupidity. It’s “you’re”, not “your”.

    Glad to know you’ve got it all figured out, Realist.

    • Troll: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @Realist
  42. Realist says:
    @Thomasina

    Here is what you wrote to Old and Grumpy on November 15th:

    Why do you think those opposed to Trump (Democrats, some Republicans, the media, Big Tech, most corporations) came up with this “White Supremacy” bullshite?

    And you just displayed your stupidity. It’s “bullshit”, not “bullshite”.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  43. Realist says:

    I think the vast majority of Americans are ignorant, misinformed and complacent, but only about one fourth of them are actually stupid.

    A common mistake. It does not negate the accuracy of my assessment of the US.

  44. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should be you’re making…

  45. @dfordoom

    “In every country where lockdowns have been instituted they have been extremely popular. In every country people have willingly traded freedom for security, because that’s how humans work. When things get scary we want Nanny to protect us.”

    The Coronavirus doesn’t make the top 100 list of deadliest diseases that man has faced. Our forebears faced danger many orders of magnitude greater than this without such fear.

    Had Trump been more of a politician and less of a leader, he could have joined the public in their craven-ness and scored points for it. He was punished for standing like a man when the people preferred a coward like them.

    This is not how people used to be.

    The mass hysteria of 2020 does not bode well for the future. Can anyone see how people so accustomed to crawling on the ground learn to stand up again? Because I have a hard time seeing it.

  46. Wielgus says:
    @DanHessinMD

    Are they in fact that popular? If you work from home and/or have your income guaranteed, you take few hits from lockdown. A lot of people are affected by it, though. I am skeptical of opinion polls – they can be messed with by asking questions in a way that skews the result and they said Biden was streets ahead rather than the nail-bitingly close and perhaps crooked result we actually got.
    Do they frame the questions like “Do you favour lockdowns or do you want to kill Granny?”

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  47. Mass politics in USA top down and donor-controlled and guided in channels by corporate mass media and DEEP STATE and corporate/government partnership and 2020 Trumpy got in bed with the Cheap Labor Faction of the rancid Republican Party and the Cheap Labor Faction of the GOP wants mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    Immigration issue will cause Civil War in GOP very shortly.

    Trump used immigration issue energy from treasonous 2013 Obama/Rubio Mass Immigration Surge/Illegal Alien Amnesty bill(S 744) in 2015 to splinter and scatter Republican Party presidential primary contenders and he used energy from immigration issue to defeat Hillary Clinton.

    The 2013 Rubio/Obama immigration bill(S744) would have tripled legal immigration and it would have given amnesty to 12 to 30 million illegal alien invaders. John Boehner killed the Obama/Rubio immigration bill in the US House so as to avoid a bloody donor vs voter civil war in the Republican Party. President Trump used the angry voter energy from that nation-wrecking immigration bill to knock the hell out of his opponents in the GOP presidential primary.

    14 Republican Party politician whores in the US Senate voted for the nation-wrecking 2013 Rubio/Obama immigration bill(S744).

    Here are the 14:

    Alexander
    Ayotte
    Chiesa
    Collins
    Corker
    Flake
    Graham
    Hatch
    Heller
    Hoeven
    Kirk
    McCain
    Murkowski
    Rubio

  48. Thomasina says:
    @Realist

    Yes, but in my case I was trying to be polite by adding an “e” on the end. In your case you just didn’t know any better.

    Keep keeping it real, Realist.

    • Replies: @Realist
  49. Realist says:
    @Thomasina

    Yes, but in my case I was trying to be polite by adding an “e” on the end. In your case you just didn’t know any better.

    Now that is the perfect example of bullshit. LOL

  50. @Diversity Heretic

    Mr. Diversity Heretic says:

    The “immigration” issue is just a cover for the real concern: demographic changes that result in the displacement and dispossession of the European-origin founding stock of the United States. But even to express it in those terms is racist and offensive outside of the dissident right. President Harris and her successrs will just open the floodgates and let in immigrants until the U.S. has deteriorated so much that it no longer attracts immigrants.

    I say:

    The IMMIGRATION QUESTION will soon be back to center stage in both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party and the Israel First Lobby knows it and that is why they had their politician whore Tom Cotton jump out in front of the bandwagon and make a claim that he is on the side of those who want illegal alien invaders deported and legal immigration halted.

    I don’t trust that Arkansas bastard Tom Cotton because he puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA and Tom Cotton is just pot banging on immigration to keep himself electorally viable for the 2024 presidential primary in the Republican Party.

    WHITE GENOCIDE or RACE REPLACEMENT or DEMOGRAPHIC DISPLACEMENT or FOREIGNER COLONIZATION is being used as a demographic weapon by treasonous and evil ruling classes in the European Christian nations and the IMMIGRATION QUESTION is set to politically detonate in France with the 2022 election and everywhere else the European Christian people call home.

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration increases housing costs, lowers wages, increases income inequality, swamps schools, overwhelms hospitals, harms the environment and brings multicultural mayhem to the United States.

    An immigration moratorium and the deportation of all illegal alien invaders will make housing costs more affordable, boost wages, decrease income inequality, improve educational opportunities for American students, improve hospital care, restore a balanced environment and help to rebuild cultural cohesion in the United States.

    Kamala Harris and Joe Biden know that the IMMIGRATION QUESTION — properly framed — is an issue that will split and obliterate both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party and the new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will advance the cause of an immigration moratorium and the immediate deportation of all illegal alien invaders.

    Tweets from 2015:

  51. @Wielgus

    “Are they in fact that popular?”

    Gretchen Whitmer is the epitome of lockdown tyranny and she is quite popular even in a swing state.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/06/whitmer-keeps-favorable-edge-michigan-voters-poll-finds/5898087002/

  52. @DanHessinMD

    “The mass hysteria of 2020 does not bode well for the future. Can anyone see how people so accustomed to crawling on the ground learn to stand up again? Because I have a hard time seeing it.”

    Good point. In fact the whole leftist agenda of “wokeness,” “safe spaces,” and “microaggressions” is conditioning people to accept being a wimp as normal and even desirable. It’s encouraging there are 70 million Trump voters who see this charade for what it is — they only need a stronger, more articulate leader and they will triumph.

  53. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    “In every country where lockdowns have been instituted they have been extremely popular. In every country people have willingly traded freedom for security, because that’s how humans work. When things get scary we want Nanny to protect us.”

    The Coronavirus doesn’t make the top 100 list of deadliest diseases that man has faced. Our forebears faced danger many orders of magnitude greater than this without such fear.

    You’re missing the point. Fear doesn’t have to be rational.

    People in general have no understanding of risk. Numbers are meaningless to them. For example if you tell them that they have a 1 in 1,000 chance of dying from a disease and if they get vaccinated they won’t get the disease but they have a 1 in 100,000 chance of dying as a result of the vaccination they simply do not understand the difference between the two risks. They do not even understand that a 1 in 1,000 risk is so small it’s not worth worrying about. Most people are entirely mystified by numbers. Even the simplest statistical concepts are beyond them.

    It’s not that people are stupid. They have never been taught basic numeracy. They have never been taught how to balance risks. Risks scare them. Even insignificant risks scare them because they don’t understand the difference between significant and insignificant risks. People are not stupid but they are poorly educated.

    Trump failed to understand that people would not respond rationally to COVID-19 because people (not Americans but all people) are not capable of doing so.

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  54. @dfordoom

    I wrote:

    “The Coronavirus doesn’t make the top 100 list of deadliest diseases that man has faced. Our forebears faced danger many orders of magnitude greater than this without such fear.”

    You replied:

    “People in general have no understanding of risk. Numbers are meaningless to them. For example if you tell them that they have a 1 in 1,000 chance of dying from a disease and if they get vaccinated they won’t get the disease but they have a 1 in 100,000 chance of dying as a result of the vaccination they simply do not understand the difference between the two risks. ”

    Except that people weren’t like this before. People had common sense once. Our forebears were able to settle continents and deal with many risks that would dwarf the risks of Coronavirus. It was normal to lose one or several children before they reached adulthood to disease and other things. People had religious faith and persevered and marched onward. I suppose its good that those courageous and heart-filled men and women aren’t around to see what their descendants have become.

    Can you think of another instance of such abject terror that conquered the globe over something so minor?

    How are people like this going to build the future? Can anyone answer that?

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  55. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    Except that people weren’t like this before. People had common sense once. Our forebears were able to settle continents and deal with many risks that would dwarf the risks of Coronavirus. It was normal to lose one or several children before they reached adulthood to disease and other things.

    There’s a huge difference. In the pioneer days risks were easy to understand and they were familiar risks. If you want out hunting you know there were risks involved. You knew that from personal experience. You knew people who had been killed undertaking such tasks. You didn’t need to understand statistical analysis. In any case you had no choice. And you could see the rewards of risk-taking activities. If you went hunting it was dangerous but you get to eat that night, and your family got to eat.

    In a modern industrialised society there’s not the same direct connection between risks and rewards. And the risks are more abstract. You cannot make judgments on risk in a modern society unless you do have at least a very basic understanding of statistics.

    Humans haven’t really quite adapted to the complexities of modern life. They still try to understand the world in common sense ways but common sense doesn’t tell you if one of the risks involved in modern life is greater or lesser than the risk of doing something different. Common sense can’t tell you if the risks of a vaccine are worth taking. You have to understand numbers to make that call.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  56. @dfordoom

    Boy, you are persistent in arguing that modern people are not at all cowardly as they hide in their houses for an entire year this:

    This pandemic isn’t remotely the first or second leading cause of death in 2020. No you don’t need to know statistics to see this.

    But keep arguing, buddy. Any minute now you’ll convince me that the people cowering in their homes all day over something much less than the disease load our ancestors used to face in a normal year are really no different than the pioneering settlers.

    ” In the pioneer days risks were easy to understand and they were familiar risks.” Lol no. You had no idea what you were going to face. Spreading across an unknown continent to face freezing and hunger and injury without medicine and with dozens of poorly understood diseases stalking you, you just had to have faith and courage.

  57. @Dumbo

    In the end, the main reason I voted for him was because he at least seemed to offer some tacit resistance to the lockdown agenda (e.g., hiring Scott Atlas). The idea that he “mis-handled the virus” was one of the more irritating election-year tropes. Obviously, the corona lockdown agenda is part of a global operation, but setting that aside, when has it ever been a president’s job to prevent people from catching a respiratory infection?

    It just shows the power of the media to manufacture and distribute memes that short-circuit any sort of rational thinking.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  58. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    Boy, you are persistent in arguing that modern people are not at all cowardly as they hide in their houses for an entire year this:

    This pandemic isn’t remotely the first or second leading cause of death in 2020. No you don’t need to know statistics to see this.

    You do need to understand at least a few very basic things about statistics. I don’t think you appreciate just how mysterious and bewildering numbers are to most people.

    For example if you tell people that a particular virus has killed 50,000 or 100,000 or 200,000 people or whatever the average person simply cannot put that into any kind of perspective. All he knows is that those numbers sound like an awful lot. They’re scary numbers. He cannot comprehend whether such numbers actually represent a very low risk or a very high risk. Even if you tell him that it has killed 10,000 people he will still think that that sounds like a lot.

    Why do you think people are more likely to be afraid of flying than of driving a car? It’s because one plane crash can kill 300 people and that sounds like something that is really dangerous. If you try to persuade him that air travel is safer than driving he won’t believe you because he won’t understand the figures you quote to him that prove that air travel is safer.

    Why do you think anti-vaxxers are terrified of vaccinations? It’s because they’re totally mystified by the statistics.

    People who do understand statistics simply do not understand that to most people even the most basic statistics are as bewildering as quantum mechanics. To the average person graphs convey no information at all.

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
    , @Dumbo
  59. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Polite Derelict

    It just shows the power of the media to manufacture and distribute memes that short-circuit any sort of rational thinking.

    People only think rationally on subjects with which they are totally familiar. And even then their judgments are highly likely to be made on the basis of emotion or social conformity. That’s how humans work. All humans. Whether they’re left-wing or right-wing.

    And all humans believe that they think rationally and all humans believe that people with whom they disagree think irrationally.

    The media might take advantage of this but even without mass media people do not think rationally.

    when has it ever been a president’s job to prevent people from catching a respiratory infection?

    The average person believes that the government should be there to protect them from threats. If a government appears to be incapable of protecting them from an epidemic their natural reaction is to ask themselves the question – if the government cannot deal with a public health crisis then what the hell is the point of having a government? That may or may not be rational but it’s how most people think.

  60. @dfordoom

    @dfordoom —

    I wish I could see innumeracy and not cowardice.

    But honestly it is plain to me the most highly educated that are behaving the most absurdly.

    Inner city black and Hispanics, and rural whites (all of whom are more modestly educated than the population as a whole) are taking this in stride and going about their lives. Highly educated whites in suburbia are the ones locking themselves down and screaming at the top of their lungs that everybody needs to stay panicked. The smarties use their intelligence to come up with more monsters under the bed rather than put the small risk in perspective. “What if there are long term effects that you don’t know about? You could think you recovered but really be secretly brain damaged for life. AAAHHH”

    Intelligent people emphatically do not have more common sense in my observation. Instead, they usually use their galaxy brains to perfectly synchronize with the prevailing groupthink nonsense, whether it is global warming hysteria or the latest additions to the gender pantheon or now COVID hysteria.

    This isn’t new. Communism, a very dumb ideology from a common sense perspective, sucked in the intellectuals most of all.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  61. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    I wish I could see innumeracy and not cowardice.

    But honestly it is plain to me the most highly educated that are behaving the most absurdly.

    Ah, but what do you mean by highly educated? You can have a degree in English Literature, medieval history, sociology, media studies, film studies, anthropology, journalism, political science, law or a dozen other academic disciplines and be entirely innumerate. After all, the reason you chose one of those fields is because they don’t involve math and math is really hard!

    If you chose media studies or women’s studies or gender studies as your field of study you might well be not only innumerate but illiterate as well.

    And if you occupy a senior position in politics or the bureaucracy or the media the chances are that your academic qualifications are in one of those “soft” disciplines rather than in engineering or astrophysics.

    Intelligent people emphatically do not have more common sense in my observation. Instead, they usually use their galaxy brains to perfectly synchronize with the prevailing groupthink nonsense

    Now that I more or less agree with.

    Communism, a very dumb ideology from a common sense perspective, sucked in the intellectuals most of all.

    All political ideologies from communism to libertarianism to neo-liberalism to dissident rightism are based on emotion and on our existing prejudices. No-one chooses any political ideology for rational reasons. We choose the political ideology that makes us feel good and/or we choose the political ideology that serves our own best interests (in which case we’re making an emotional choice based on greed, social conformity, ambition or hate).

    But most people don’t really subscribe to a political ideology. They form their opinions based on emotion and an inability to understand even the simplest statistical concepts. For example most people think they know what the word “average” means but if you’re talking about income and you ask them if they’re referring to mean income or median income they won’t have the remotest idea what you’re talking about.

    It’s not that I’m more optimistic about human nature than you are. It’s just that I think that people’s responses to the virus are more the product of ignorance than cowardice. And I don’t think there are any fundamental differences in these respects between Americans and other westerners and I don’t think there’s been any major change over time. People in the 1950s (and the 1930s and the 1980s and any other era you care to pick) were just as prone to hysteria based on ignorance as people today.

    • Replies: @DanHessinMD
  62. Dumbo says:
    @dfordoom

    Why do you think anti-vaxxers are terrified of vaccinations? It’s because they’re totally mystified by the statistics.

    No. They are worried about mercury (thimerosal), of the occasionally bad side effects, of the inefficiency , of the greed of Big Pharma who pushes for unneeded vaccines all the time just for money, and they question the “germ theory of disease” which has several holes, in particular relating to certain diseases.

    It has nothing or very little to do with statistics. Also, it is human not to like being injected with foreign possibly harmful substances.

  63. @dfordoom

    “And I don’t think there are any fundamental differences in these respects between Americans and other westerners and I don’t think there’s been any major change over time. People in the 1950s (and the 1930s and the 1980s and any other era you care to pick) were just as prone to hysteria based on ignorance as people today.”

    Are you kidding me? “Everyone is exactly the same everywhere. Stop noticing things, mister.” Human uniformity over space and time. The bedrock of leftist thought. I would say that this blog and others like it have conclusively demonstrated the opposite.

    “All political ideologies from communism to libertarianism to neo-liberalism to dissident rightism are based on emotion and on our existing prejudices. No-one chooses any political ideology for rational reasons. ”

    So much relativism. Another cornerstone of leftist thought. There’s no right answer, you see. Everything is equally right or wrong depending on your viewpoint.

    Actually no. This an an empiricist blog. There is actual data out there and our gracious blog host has used empiricism and rationality to help show where the truth actually lies. I go with the dissident right because it is more true. And more than that, because it is willing to ask what is true. AE gored my own ox last week when showing data that argued against voter fraud in Trump’s loss. That didn’t feel good but here I am.

    Open debate does not even exist on the left. When was the last time leftist sites had open comment sections?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @dfordoom
  64. @Targaleto

    Nobody wants to have Trump News Inc on their resume, nor, considering his treatment of Steve Bannon, Darren Beattie, and Jeff Sessions, will they trust their job security at Trump News Inc.

    The point regarding Bannon, Beattie and Sessions is interesting. I had not thought of that.

    Now that you mention it, even if one likes Trump, credibility is hardly the man’s strong point. For this reason, one can surmise that a hypothetical Trump News might not even try to be a sober news organ, but infotainment.

  65. @Diversity Heretic

    The “immigration” issue is just a cover for the real concern: demographic changes that result in the displacement and dispossession of the European-origin founding stock of the United States.

    Correct. I’ve got absolutely nothing against immigrant as individuals. But i want the US to continue to be “white”–i.e. anchored in Western Christian civilization and performing at the “white level”.

    And that’s the deal. The weird thing for me–and i get that people’s immediate concern is “do i have a job”–is that:

    Immigration is the only issue that matters long term.

    The rest of these critical issues are … just noise.

    Immigration–and ok, eugenic or dysgenic fertility–will entirely determine what sort of nation your children, grandchildren, your “posterity” live in.

    People, including many white people–after 50+ of minoritarian propaganda and lying–just can see the obvious.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  66. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    Are you kidding me? “Everyone is exactly the same everywhere. Stop noticing things, mister.” Human uniformity over space and time. The bedrock of leftist thought.

    The fact that human nature doesn’t change is the bedrock of conservatism. It’s leftists who believe that human nature is infinitely malleable. The fact that human nature doesn’t change is the exact opposite of the blank slate beliefs of the Left.

    The belief that human nature is pretty much fixed does not imply that everyone is exactly the same. It merely implies that you will always have the same degrees of variability between people. You will always have the same distributions of smart people, not-so-smart people and dumb people. Taken overall you can expect the same basic behaviours from the same population over time.

    If a particular population exhibits high levels of hysteria you can expect to see those same levels of hysteria in that population in every era. If you look at history that’s exactly what you do see.

  67. dfordoom says: • Website
    @DanHessinMD

    So much relativism. Another cornerstone of leftist thought. There’s no right answer, you see. Everything is equally right or wrong depending on your viewpoint.

    Every ideologue believes that his own opinions are somehow special.

    Actually no. This an an empiricist blog. There is actual data out there and our gracious blog host has used empiricism and rationality to help show where the truth actually lies. I go with the dissident right because it is more true. And more than that, because it is willing to ask what is true.

    I haven’t seen the slightest evidence that the dissident right has any interest in empiricism or rationality. What I see are people with strongly held prejudices and emotional beliefs. I used to know a bunch of Trotskyites. They also thought that their views were based on empiricism and rationality.

    The differences between the dissident right and SJWs are simply the differences between different strongly held prejudices and emotional beliefs.

    Politics is not rational. It never has been and never will be. Politics is a set of opinions that people find emotionally satisfying or useful.

  68. @dfordoom

    < In every country people have willingly traded freedom for security, because that’s how humans work. When things get scary we want Nanny to protect us.

    With the exception of a few African countries where a significant portion of the population lives hand-to-mouth and recognized lockdowns as a death sentence, that is sadly accurate.

  69. @DanHessinMD

    Evolutionary psychology plays a role, too. We are hardwired to fear plagued people. Thinking about them scares us. We are not hardwired to fear riding in a car or eating sweet foods.

  70. @AnotherDad

    Everything else is downstream.

    • Agree: V. K. Ovelund

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