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It wouldn’t be a return to normalcy without a reassertion of the neo-liberal establishment’s neo-connery:

The presumption is a China-friendly/compromised Biden administration wouldn’t contest a Chinese conquest–or reunification, opinions differ–of Taiwan. Maybe not. Then again, maybe so. Time isn’t on the American empire’s side.

If it’s not there, it’ll be somewhere. One thing certain to come during a Biden/Harris administration is a new war or three.

 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Election 2020, Joe Biden, War 
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  1. The Chinese CCP may have Ole Joe by his pubes, or at least those of his son Hunter, in which case Joe will follow. I think they’ll make sure whatever goes on with China, it’s in their favor… even if that does include war over Taiwan.*

    .

    * There’s a treaty we should have thrown in the trash 20 years ago. Two countries full of Chinese people who we have huge trade deficits with, and we are borrowing money from everyone including the Chinese to protect the one set of Chinese people from the other. Are we at Peak Stupidity yet?

    • Replies: @Bill
    , @Adam Smith
  2. indocon says:

    I really wonder if the Chinese will invade Taiwan? From what I hear from people in semiconductor industry, they really are not lacking the technology piece that Taiwan has, instead they may choose to do it for diverting attention from any internal matters.

    BTW, China invading Taiwan and America being not able to do a damn will mark the end of American empire.

  3. neutral says:

    One thing certain to come during a Biden/Harris administration is a new war or three.

    True, but I cannot see them declaring war on China, Russia or even North Korea. I am fully aware that the Democrats are a toxic mix of neoliberal ZOG and woke fanaticism, but they have too many of the craven types that would truly risk the conflagration of the US. The most likely war will be either Venezuela or full regime change operations in Syria.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @TomSchmidt
  4. ” . . . One thing certain to come during a Biden/Harris administration is a new war or three.”

    Well, let’s say the chances for war are definitely on the rise.

    One must assume that The Pantsuited One is in line for a prime gig under Biden (State? Defense? UN?). If so, neocons and Israel-Firsters are pissing themselves with joy. . . .

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  5. neutral says:
    @indocon

    The Taiwan issue is beyond how many chips they produce or as a useful diversion to channel the anger of the common man. The splitting up of China is for most Chinese considered the greatest evil. It is humiliating enough that Taiwan is a de facto independent state, but making it official is a death sentence for any form of Chinese government.

  6. dfordoom says: • Website
    @neutral

    True, but I cannot see them declaring war on China, Russia or even North Korea. I am fully aware that the Democrats are a toxic mix of neoliberal ZOG and woke fanaticism, but they have too many of the craven types that would truly risk the conflagration of the US. The most likely war will be either Venezuela or full regime change operations in Syria.

    I agree. The US does not fight wars against countries that are capable of fighting back. There is no way the US will even deliberately start a war against a country capable of inflicting heavy casualties. They don’t want thousands of Americans coming home in body bags again, as was the case with Vietnam.

    Americans love wars as long as they’re not real wars against first-class opponents. To Americans war is a spectator sport. Like football, but more fun. So we’ll see lots of colonialist wars in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    Of course it is possible that the chickenhawks could be dumb enough to get mixed up in wars involving The Ukraine or Armenia and blunder their way into a nuclear war. Or be dumb enough to provoke China over nonsense like the South China Sea or Taiwan. Neocons and chickenhawks are cowards but they’re also extraordinarily dumb. And they have convinced themselves that Russia and China will always back down.

  7. El Dato says:
    @indocon

    As long as there is a good reason NOT to invade, they won’t because it would be tougher than D-Day.

    • Replies: @indocon
  8. I take it Assad is up for revolution. Will we do Turkey, or is that too complicated politically?

  9. No one can afford to go to war. Not Russia, not China, and not the USA. These countries have run out of money and stretched their human (war) capital thin. There will be no war, and the feline screeching game will probably come to an end soon, now that an adult is going to be in the white house. All of these countries are interdependent, as well. China relies on US agriculture for sustenance, check the trade deficit there.

  10. @indocon

    China is absolutely lacking the 5nm chips produced by TSMC and can never fabricate the technology that is necessary to produce them on their own, much less the 3nm chips that TSMC will be rolling out (possibly from a US factory) in the next few years. They are utterly powerless, hopeless, feckless, defeated, whimpering, limping, and stumbling away from TSMC like a wild hog who has just been blasted in the face by a 12 gauge buckshot round. They never had a chance on this issue and anyone online claiming otherwise is a pro-CCP shill running damage control.

    • Replies: @neutral
  11. iffen says:

    If it’s not there, it’ll be somewhere.

    According to a history of Alexander the Great that I am currently reading, Demosthenes literally made a career of telling the Athenians that they “must” go north and fight the Macedonians or they would have to fight them in the streets of Attica, so warmongering is not a new occupation.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @nebulafox
  12. The Athenians had Thebes fight (and lose) so they didn’t have to do it themselves.

    Do you mind sharing the title of the book you’re reading?

  13. neutral says:
    @JohnPlywood

    To say that they can never do it is simply delusional. If they can do it in Taiwan then they can do the same. If you believe they can’t do it, then what is it? Is it a racial thing, is it magic dirt that does not exist in China that makes this an impossible task?

    Taking your delusions further, the USA, increasingly consisting of inferior races, is the one that cannot do such things going forward. You can try ring fence the woke Silicon valley dweebs and other such industries from their black and brown pets, but eventually they will not be able to keep them out, the end result is predictable.

  14. Could you compile a graph for Republican voters for comparison please? I expect the China/Russia pattern to be the inverse of the one here, but would be nice to confirm.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Jtgw
    , @Audacious Epigone
  15. Passer by says:

    The poll is compromised, as it mentions Trump’s name, which has the habit of distorting polls.

    Liberals will reflectively lash out at Trump no matter what he does.

    When Trump’s name is not mentioned, foreign policy polls shows lower levels of liberal hostility to China and Iran and higher to Russia.

  16. Vis-a-vis Russia my concern is that they will admit Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which would put more U.S. troops right on the border with Russia in areas that have seen recent fighting.

  17. LondonBob says:

    Thing is the FBI have been sitting on the Hunter Biden stuff, it is the FBI who have the leverage now, not China.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  18. @LondonBob

    How is it not both, then, Bob?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  19. @neutral

    Syria. Definitely Syria.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    , @Jay Fink
  20. @Orville H. Larson

    If there is no resolution of the electoral college vote by 1/20, the 20th amendment says that the House can put who it wants in charge. That could be Nancy Pelosi. She at least has better fashion sense than Hillary.

    One reading I saw stated that neither the Speaker nor President Pro Tempore is eligible under the 20th amendment, so the Presidency would go to Mike Pompeo. That would e the cherry on the 2020 sundae.

    • Replies: @V. K. Ovelund
  21. @JohnPlywood

    China had all those extra male babies due to sex-selective abortion under the 1 child policy. They should still have plenty of cannon fodder.

  22. A123 says:

    Who here thinks that Burisma Biden would send troops to “Protect” his family’s income innocent people from Russian aggression?
    ____

    Now the NeoCons have been booted by Trump, the DNC has a serious problem. Which faction is stronger:
    — NeoConDemocrats — Who want boots on the ground in Iran.
    — Obama Submissives — Who want to surrender inferior America to superior Iran.

    Given Biden’s mental condition, perhaps he would both surrender and invade.
    ____

    Hopefully the various election and legal processes will head off this mess. We know that Trump won even though Fake News has declared for Biden.

    PEACE 😇

  23. “Time isn’t on the American empire’s side.”

    Hence the all-out fraud to regain control of the Whitehouse.

    The petro-dollar axis of international banksters has limited levers it can pull. Invade the world/invite the world is getting old, as in Russia, China, Europe, and the Third World all have had time to come up with counter strategies.

    De-stabilizing global hotspots to pump up demand for greenbacks is coming, but it is too late. The balance of power has shifted away from USA, and the decline is accelerating. Shedding blood and treasure to bring back the former status quo is a futile waste of life.

  24. indocon says:
    @El Dato

    Invading Taiwan for China is not like the D Day, they need to drop bunch of paratroopers first, then bring the whole flotilla to shore. It will be over in a day.

    • Replies: @Wency
  25. LondonBob says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Biden stuff is mostly bribes that the Chinese can’t insist is repaid, the seedy stuff has been blanked out by the media anyway. The FBI have leverage as they can have him and his family prosecuted.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  26. indocon says:
    @JohnPlywood

    China is rapidly developing Africa as a source of all raw material including agriculture, and market for all its factory made stuff. There are over 1.5M Chinese nationals who live in Africa!

  27. Talha says:

    Good article:
    “No Matter the Liberal Metric Chosen, the Bush/Cheney Administration Was Far Worse Than Trump.”
    https://greenwald.substack.com/p/no-matter-the-liberal-metric-chosen

    Peace.

  28. Jtgw says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Biden voter belligerence on China surprised me. Obviously not as belligerent as on Russia but still. Maybe that reflects hawkish independent voters who thought Trump too wimpy on both? Are they going to push Biden to be less friendly to China than he has so far indicated he’ll be?

    • Replies: @Talha
  29. anon[218] • Disclaimer says:

    These are strange results. I would expect Biden voters to be brainwashed with “Russia! Russia! Russia!” of course, but belligerence toward China is kind of odd, and what’s the deal with hating on the Norks? How many US voters can find North Korea on a map? Was there a bunch of “Nork! Nork! Nork!” propaganda that I somehow missed?

    Whatever. This is just a bunch of talk in emotional afterglow. Nothing really serious.

    Besides, CNN / NPR / Facebook / NYT / etc. will tell us whom to hate beginning sometime in January.

  30. @TomSchmidt

    One reading I saw stated that neither the Speaker nor President Pro Tempore is eligible under the 20th amendment, so the Presidency would go to Mike Pompeo. That would be the cherry on the 2020 sundae.

    If I understand, the reading to which you refer was debated as early as the 1st Congress, 1789–80. The point has never come to a head, so no one has settled it.

    However, the 1948 statute that would make the speaker president replaced a 19th-century statute which in turn replaced a statute enacted by the 1st Congress—all three statutes in the same pattern, except that the 19th-century statute put the secretary of state first in line. Does it not seem a bit late now to reinterpret a statute whose principle has stood since George Washington himself signed the statute’s first version?

    Fascinating question.

  31. Talha says:
    @Jtgw

    Are they going to push Biden to be less friendly to China than he has so far indicated he’ll be?

    If he can pull this off while also doing something about bringing back some American manufacturing, this may even gain the respect of working class folks who might not mind a stance against China (financial, not necessarily military) if it leads to bringing back some jobs. I think this would boost his overall ratings.

    Peace.

  32. @LondonBob

    Here are my thoughts on it, Bob, though I wrote more in this PS post “Hunter Biden and Chinese Blackmail”:

    Mr.. Biden lost his baby (1 y/o) daughter long ago, and his other son died of cancer some time ago. This Hunter character has got to be who he loves most in this world. If the Chinese CCP has got video or photos, or whatever evidence of Hunter Biden in some situation, say involving young girls, as I’ve heard, but as rumors I’m not stating that – just whatever, they know that Joe Biden doesn’t want his only son getting, more tarnished than he already is.

    I don’t mean jail time. Blackmail is not usually about jail time but embarrassment and as shame. If there’s a decision to make, and the Chinese want it to go one way, it can go that way with no obvious evidence of blackmail to the rest of us. The US Lyin’ Press cannot control everything … yet.

  33. @JohnPlywood

    “No one can afford to go to war. . . .”

    That’s what a sane man thinks. Now will you be good enough to tell that to the host of chickenhawks, warmongers, and Israel-Firsters who’ll be flocking to Biden? . . .

  34. Rich says:
    @JohnPlywood

    You do know that your “adult” voted in favor of wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Serbia, as well as being VP while the US fought in Syria and Libya? Do you believe he’s had a religious conversion? He’s been a huge supporter of the MIC ever since the former college football player was able to dodge the draft because of his “asthma”. It’s kind of cute to see you young guys not know anything except what the MSM chooses to focus on.

  35. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:

    One of my heroes:

    Servant of God* Dorothy Day

    * https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Servants_of_God

  36. Sean says:

    The presumption is a China-friendly/compromised Biden administration wouldn’t contest a Chinese conquest–or reunification, opinions differ–of Taiwan. Maybe not. Then again, maybe so. Time isn’t on the American empire’s side.

    Xi has not even dared congratulate Biden, so why ruin the reset with America by attacking Taiwan? North Korea is a cat’s paw of China, we’ll hear no more from Kim; he will be put back in his box, which is where he wants to be because he has his own troubles.

    China stated in 2000 it it would not postpone the issue indefinitely, but it has it made clear— most recently in Jan 2019– it would instantly attack Taiwan if it declared independence from China. In other words if it doesn’t, China won’t. People of indigenous Taiwanese origin are in positions of considerable power on the island admittedly and independence would sort of strengthen their position in a fully democratic system–if there was not an invasion and them all being sent to detention camps, where their families could be killed to order for organ transplants. I really can’t see Taiwan knowing provoking such an invasion now that China has promised that is what would inevitably follow a unilateral declaration of independence by Taiwan.

    America cannot project power into the straits of Taiwan (where no US aircraft carrier ventures nowadays) for what should be obvious geographic reasons. Taiwan is in the lee of a continent. To try and defend Taiwan from a Chinese attack would be an extremely costly conventional operation in terms of lives of American servicemen and quite possibly would fail even if done with total conventional war commitment. Apart from its land based anti shipping missiles including huge ICBN like ballistic anti ship missiles, China has seventy submarines including German-engineered diesels and copies of the Swedish Stirling engine model. Sonar would not be much use and America’s big ships no matter how far west they were kept would be a series of huge torpedo targets in a shooting war. China has an enormous fishing fleet, which would be a potential armada of small boats difficult to detect that could be used for a great many purposes especially before the shooting starts and they could not be attacked on sight by US forces. In a 2002 wargame a marine general playing the iranians wreaked havoc, and in a naval strategy competition an AI algorithm won with unconventional tactics. ‘All at sea’ is a saying that means up shit creek. once naval power was relatively mobile but time has passed it by. On the surface a craft is conspicuous and cannot move quickly at sea, yet the communication, internet and pattern recognition targeting AI are instantaneous.

    China has an order of magnitude more population then Japan, which America nuked without warning rather than attempt to invade. America ended up desperate to disengage in the Korean war. In Vietnam a proxy war by China succeeded entirely and America began coming apart domestically.
    An American tactical nuclear response to a Chinese attack on Taiwan was blustered about in diplomatic code (“incalculable consequences”) years ago and to the apparent shock of US diplomats, the Chinese implicitly threatened to retaliate by nuking the continental US. Only if the likely conventional winner is nice enough to agree to those rules, whereby its expensive conventional forces are fighting in its own territory are on the verge of winning then the defeated opponent nukes them without fear of escalation, could anyone contemplate using battlefield nuclear weapons.

    A ‘no first use of nuclear weapons’ policy is for the likely winner in a conventional war, but the corollary is that the loser’s first use of nuclear weapon to negate a conventional loss on the battlefield would be retaliated to by an instant escalation by a specimen strike at the strategic level, on San Diego for example. The idea that China is going to watch America detonate a thermonuclear weapon incinerating a victorious Chinese force on what China regards as its national territory, yet eschew a retaliatory strike on the American homeland would be a non starter even if the Chinese had not made it clear that after they had any kind of nuclear weapon used on them then they would be going all the way to the top of the esculatory ladder for the payback. China is on page with Biden, who is the big business candidate and they want to get back to ever increasing profits from China, which is beating the US economic arena, where they want to keep things.

    In the Ukraine, Putin is in already in possession of all the majority ethnic Russian territory he really wants, and the Ukrainians are unable to fight the Russian army whatever help the US gives. I cannot see American generals agreeing to fight in Ukraine in order to roll back the Russians to the RF border. The trivial reason is the Russians as they were pushed back would use masses of long range artillery firing from inside Russia proper so US casualties would become very heavy. The main reason is that Russia is inexorably declining as an economy and does not have the luxury option theoretically available to China of putting up with US military flexing while beating the pants off them economically, then settling accounts at some point in the future. Things could get more easily out of control with Russian troops fighting American. This is why neither will take a step down that road.

    • Agree: dfordoom, Johnny Rico
  37. nebulafox says:
    @iffen

    Macedonian hegemony was inevitable at that point: Philip II’s reforms were too effective, and moreover, the Greek city states had been pounding each other into oblivion for quite some time. The Greeks never identified as “Greek”, per se, as they did as Athenians, Spartans, Thebans, Corinthians, etc: the Greco-Persian Wars were a very temporary expedient. Something similar was unlikely.

    Bearing that in mind, I don’t think it is quite fair to put Demosthenes in the same category as the neocons. Wildly unrealistic about their chances, maybe, but he wasn’t delusional about Macedonian intentions and capabilities. Better comparison would be the compulsively hawkish Senatorial class during the Imperium who went after emperors like Domitian and Hadrian who tried to pursue realistic, empire sustaining foreign policies.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @songbird
  38. nebulafox says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Still amazing how a lot of Democrats don’t seem to get the mutual exclusivity of having a better relationship with Iran and ejecting their clients… that was what always frustrated me about Obama. I throughly approved of his aim of hammering out a better relationship with Tehran as the only way out of that damned region, but look at it from their perspective: the mullahs care a lot more about what goes on in Damascus than Geneva.

    • Agree: Talha
  39. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:

    I imagine we will have a “Iran did it sayeth the neocons!” terrorist attack in year 2 of the Biden administration. Some real white town too……Dallas, Kansas City, Cleveland, San Franssico, Vegas, D.C., Nashville.

  40. Joe Biden Is A Brain-Damaged WARMONGER!

    I wrote this in September of 2019 about Joe Biden and his warmongering ways and his fanatical support for George W Bush’s Iraq War Debacle:

    Joe Biden voted for — and pushed for — the IRAQ WAR DEBACLE.

    Joe Biden has had at least two brain surgeries to fix the many brain problems and brain malfunctions that have seriously damaged Biden’s ability to think clearly and to remember things clearly.

    Joe Biden is a brain-damaged treasonous politician whore who will push for more and more overseas war if he is elected president in 2020.

    Joe Biden’s brain-damaged warmongering and inability to think clearly is a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the USA.

    https://www.unz.com/article/bidens-foreign-policy-the-new-world-order-and-woodrow-wilson/#comment-3455450

  41. I wrote this in March of 2020 about Biden’s vote in support of George W Bush’s Iraq War:

    Joe Biden’s 2002 vote to allow George W Bush to have a blank check for the subsequent 2003 war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake of the worst sort.

    Joe Biden is a nasty black-hearted politician whore for the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    Joe Biden was braying like a sick and deranged animal in 2002 for war in Iraq and George W Bush delivered that war in 2003 and that war was a complete and total debacle disaster disgrace. Thousands of American soldiers were killed and thousands more American soldiers were butchered and burnt and maimed and blasted and had their brains rattled around inside their skulls causing traumatic and long-lasting and permanent brain injury.

    Joe Biden Is Responsible For The IRAQ WAR DEBACLE!

    DAMMIT!

    JOE BIDEN IS A GLOBALIZER, NEO-LIBERAL WARMONGER BASTARD!

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/neo-liberalisms-impervious-left-flank/#comment-3753473

    Tweets from 2015:

  42. Not Raul says:

    How is Biden the one who is compromised by China, when Trump received payments and trademarks from China, and the trade deficit exploded under Trump?

  43. iffen says:
    @nebulafox

    I don’t think it is quite fair to put Demosthenes in the same category as the neocons. Wildly unrealistic about their chances, maybe, but he wasn’t delusional about Macedonian intentions and capabilities.

    Actually he was, as AFAIK, Athens didn’t suffer under Philip and Alexander. In any case, the logic of “fight them there or fight them here” stands the test of time only if.

  44. songbird says:
    @nebulafox

    The Greeks never identified as “Greek”

    Only people who were Greek or had a pedigree connecting to Greece could compete in the Olympics. Their identity was in concentric circles, with the city state being more functionally important, on average, due to political realities.

    It wasn’t a total inability to think of themselves as “Greek”, IMO, so much as an inability of anyone to militarily unite Greece, partly due to the mountainous geography and the difficulty of taking walled cities and other fortifications. IIRC, Sparta was the main city-state with a professional army (who were not foreign mercenaries), and their philosophy meant that they didn’t employ walls to defend their territory, so their ability to commit troops to other areas was probably somewhat limited.

  45. Bill says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    How do they have him by the pubes? They have something worse than his comical Ukraine corruption and a picture of him passed out with a crack pipe in his mouth?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  46. Wency says:
    @indocon

    If the PRC really wants to take Taiwan, and is prepared to absorb 10-20k casualties and possibly level the place, then no one except the US can stop it. But it wouldn’t take THAT much to stop China from seizing it in a coup de main like you describe. I just don’t think we know if Taiwan has it in them — it comes down to their morale. Their active duty manpower (let alone reserves) is enough to make any 110-mile opposed landing into a bloodbath, air supremacy or not, if the Taiwanese really want it to be. And unless you’re talking something like Market Garden times four, paratroopers aren’t going to be much more instrumental than on D-Day.

    I’m skeptical on Taiwanese morale. I see that they had their first official military gay wedding this year. The US military can mess with this stuff without consequence — our forever wars will last forever either way — but these don’t seem like the actions of a serious force worried about an existential threat. That said, there could be a hardened core somewhere in there. We’re making assumptions about how modern GloboHomo affiliates respond to an existential war of conquest, but we really don’t know. It would be educational either way.

    • Replies: @Truth
  47. Truth says:
    @Wency

    I read an article a year or so ago that I cannot find now, that stated that the PRC has been actively working to feminize Taiwanese males for over 20 years. They have been using a combination of diplomacy and propaganda to make this happen, and Taipei now hosts the largest LGBT Festival in Asia on a yearly basis.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wency
    , @neutral
  48. @Achmed E. Newman

    Are we at Peak Stupidity yet?

    Unfortunately, stupidity is a self-regenerating resource.

    Fortunately, you will never run out of material.

  49. iffen says:
    @Truth

    What happens when the unintended consequences show up and they turn out to be aggressive Amazons?

    • Replies: @Truth
  50. Wency says:
    @Truth

    Sounds like nonsense to me. Clearly they’re gay because they’re under the US umbrella. Like how Macedonia had its first gay pride parade months after joining NATO.

    Taiwan is gayer than fellow US vassals Japan and S. Korea because it has a bigger cultural inferiority complex relative to Big China, so it leans more into GloboHomo for its cultural identity.

  51. neutral says:
    @Truth

    Making Taiwan more gay would mean it would be more pro American.

    • Replies: @Truth
  52. Truth says:
    @iffen

    You mean like the type who only exist on movie screens?

  53. Truth says:
    @neutral

    If they were “pro-Chinese” the would have pushed for reunification years ago.

  54. @indocon

    From what I hear from people in semiconductor industry, they really are not lacking the technology piece that Taiwan has

    That may be true.

    If you look at the big Taiwanese semi houses, they do have quite a few fabs in mainland China. You have to imagine they must have a great deal of information and staff constantly flowing between Taiwan on the mainland.

    Even if it is not currently true, it’s hard to see how the Taiwanese semi houses could lock down the IP for their 5nm and smaller processes and keep it from China forever.

  55. Is it too crazy to think that the white guys who (a) didn’t come out for Trump or (b) actually voted for Biden love these wars? That fighting for democracy (c) makes them feel needed and wanted?

    I’m not willing to bet my mortgage money on this, but it’s one of those things that occurs to you when you are out of other ideas. Because as awful as he was, Trump offered some hope for white men. Biden offers extinction.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @XRay Manzarek

    Is it too crazy to think that the white guys who (a) didn’t come out for Trump or (b) actually voted for Biden love these wars? That fighting for democracy (c) makes them feel needed and wanted?

    There’s certainly no question that a lot of white Americans love war even more than they love football and porn. If you’re the sort of white person who feels like a loser then war is very deductive. Cheering on the bombing and invading of other countries makes losers feel less like losers.

    It’s a bit of an Anglo thing. Lots of working-class people in Britain in the late 19th/early 20th century, people who were treated like dirt by the ruling class, were very enthusiastic about colonial wars because beating up black, brown and yellow people and stealing their countries made them feel less like losers.

    • Replies: @XRay Manzarek
    , @iffen
  57. Jay Fink says:
    @TomSchmidt

    Does anyone else remember the Dem debate where Kamala Harris bashed Tulsi Gabbard for having a conversation with Bashar al-Assad? That is a very bad sign that your prediction is correct.

    If/when the U.S invades Syria I will root for Syria (not that they would have a chance unless Russia defends them which means WW3). Assad is my favorite leader in the world or at least the Middle East. He is a secularist, perhaps the only one left in the region (the U.S destroyed all the others) and I have great appreciation for that.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  58. @Anatoly Karlin

    Yeah. Spoiler: Republicans think Trump had the Goldie Locks approach, just right!

  59. @Jay Fink

    I’ll root for Assad because it’s the last country where Christian rights are protected. Iraq used to be, but not after the neocons got through with it.

    I’ll root for it because the Democrats have convinced me how irretrievably evil the USA is, so the people who fight it are fighting evil.

  60. @dfordoom

    As I said, I’m not willing to bet the house, but I cannot imagine why any white man with an ounce of family honor would vote for Biden.

    I’m aghast at Richard Spencer. Hating Trump I can understand, but he’s crowing at the results. He even thinks Hunter Biden is a cool guy.

  61. iffen says:

    without a reassertion of the neo-liberal establishment’s neo-connery:

    They didn’t actually go anywhere such that they have to reassert their power.

    McConnell warns Trump against troop drawdown in Afghanistan

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/526194-mcconnell-warns-trump-against-troop-drawdown-in-afghanistan

  62. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    There’s certainly no question that a lot of white Americans love war even more than they love football and porn. If you’re the sort of white person who feels like a loser then war is very deductive. Cheering on the bombing and invading of other countries makes losers feel less like losers.

    Doom, you’ve got a lot of bullshit floating around in your head such as this. You would be better off if you figured out how to purge it.

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  63. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    There’s certainly no question that a lot of white Americans love war even more than they love football and porn. If you’re the sort of white person who feels like a loser then war is very deductive. Cheering on the bombing and invading of other countries makes losers feel less like losers.

    Doom, you’ve got a lot of bullshit floating around in your head such as this. You would be better off if you figured out how to purge it.

    Democracies go to war because war is popular. Wars against countries that cannot fight back effectively are especially popular. That’s why colonialist wars are so popular. Britain’s colonialist wars in the 19th century were extremely popular. Since 1945 all American wars have been colonialist wars.

    It’s just human nature for people to enjoy wars in which most of the death and destruction will be suffered by the other side while casualties for their own side will be quite low. It also seems to be something in the nature of democracy. Democracies love moral crusades. The British loved their colonialist wars because British casualties were low and they could tell themselves that they were fighting those wars to bring civilisation to the darkies. The popularity of those wars was a function of their low cost in casualties, the moralistic angle and the feeling of superiority such wars gave to people whose own lives were miserable and unsatisfying.

    Americans since 1945 have enjoyed war for the same reason. Bringing freedom and democracy to inferior foreigners, low cost in blood, a feeling of superiority. Plus television made war even more enjoyable – it turned it into a spectator sport that offered more thrills than football. Television created war porn. War porn may well be the most popular form of pornography.

    People who dislike war find it difficult to understand just how popular it is with the masses. They don’t want to admit that war is popular. People who dislike war often have ludicrously idealised views of human nature. That’s one of the problems the dissident right has – they’re unwilling to accept that their fellow countrymen actually love war.

    The only American colonial war that wasn’t so popular was Vietnam. That was partly because a lot of people were worried that they personally might be forced to go and fight that war. And it became unpopular when it became obvious that it was going to end in defeat. Even rabid football fans don’t enjoy it when their own team gets its ass kicked.

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