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If the economic collapse is exclusively a consequence of the coronavirus pandemic and the western countries in its path are able to follow something like South Korea’s trajectory, we should be on the way back to business as usual by summertime. Terribly sad for the elderly victims and their friends and families, but minimal loss in the way of human capital. By cold, callous economic calculus, more a shedding of dead weight than anything else. A couple months of contraction on the downside, free money on the upside, and we should expect the markets to come roaring back.
I don’t. Resist being fooled by dead cat bounces like the one we’ll get tomorrow morning. We are witnessing the international credit economy on the verge of collapse. There isn’t enough liquidity, there isn’t enough resiliency, there isn’t enough production. Flooding the zone with cash directly from the Fed and indirectly through tax and interest holidays is pushing on a string at this point.
The second- and third-order effects of this will be staggering. Expect public and private pension funds to go bankrupt in the coming several months and years. The Fed’s balance sheet will explode into the several trillions, rocketing past the former highs following the 2008 recession, as calls go out from every corner of the country for it to bail out everything by giving free money to everyone.
We also have to consider the real possibility that Western trajectories won’t look like those in Asia. After the corporate media ignored what the alternative media had been covering for more than a month, it turned on a dime and suddenly coronavirus was a huge deal. It was going to be Trump’s Katrina.
Maybe it will be. There’s more to that than just a political cheap shot. Here’s a traffic accident in South Korea:
That’s how modern Koreans and Japanese act during crisis. Most Chinese do, too. And China has the Nurture advantage of an authoritarian state that forces those who would step out of line to stay in it.
We don’t have those things here. Large segments of the American population are going to break curfew. They’re going to ignore advisories about staying home and avoiding groups of people. Time preference is too high and social conformity too low for us to replicate East Asia, especially if this goes on for more than a week or two, as is increasingly looking like will be the case. If we’re not rescued by weather, things could get ugly.
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Herein lies the rub. As a kind of outsider, one of the common themes I’ve observed here is that whites are unique particularly because they have a kind of a non-conformist, caution-to-the-wind, nothing-can-hold-us-back, no-limits, can-do attitude that allows them to break barriers.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole “from-my-cold-dead-hands” routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa’s films, but I don’t think any fit the bill. “Yojimbo” might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.
There used to be this great exchange between Japan and America (or the West), where films had influence both ways. King Kong inspired Godzilla. Yojimbo was influenced by Westerns, but also influenced Westerns. The film A Fistful of Dollars was influenced by Yojimbo. And, of course, Ran is based on King Lear.
IMO, sadly this interesting and productive exchange has broken down. It still takes place, but it a very decadent and not very productive way. America, being a multiculture or anticulture, making product not culture, can't do much to contribute to Japan's culture. Japanese movies do maintain some cultural integrity, but American adaptions of these, are just globalist products, and lack the special magic of cultural adaptions.
BTW, don't know if you ever saw the Schwarzenegger film Raw Deal, not a terrible movie, but not a great one. Anyway, I think it would have been a really great movie, if they had taken some inspiration from Yojimbo, and made Schwarzenegger try to pit two gangs against each other, by going from one to the other.Replies: @Talha
http://www.outlawsofthemarsh.com/about-water-margin-podcast/Koreans also have the legend of Hong Gil-Dong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Gildong_jeonReplies: @AaronB
Some Westerners have speculated that this was the necessary antidote to the highly complex social rules mainstream Asian society was governed by.
But reading through the major texts of these schools is enough to disabuse one once and for all of the notion that Asians are fundamentally conformist and law abiding.Replies: @Talha
https://spandrell.com/2015/09/30/male-culture/
http://spandrell.com/2015/12/30/men-doing-their-own-thing/ .
(If you don't get to the comments, note however "The Water Margin has been an officially forbidden book for longer than it has been allowed. ".)
I recommend the blog in general as well; looping it back here - https://spandrell.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ .
For the last 50 years at least they've been "can't do."
Whenever anybody tries to do something in the US, anything at all, all they get is a nagging chorus of "you can't do that." "Aaaa, you can't do that." That's the American way, "AAAAAAA, you can't do that."
As with American pop culture there's Japanese mainstream pop culture and there's an alternative pop culture most westerners are unaware of.
In my state, they just closed the schools for 3 weeks.
For a while, I didn’t expect them to do it. The suburbs seemed to be going that way, but you could see pols were very reluctant to close the urban schools (I’d say to keep urban youths off the streets, during the day.)
Just by itself, I think this might have interesting consequences.
BTW, I heard Germany closed the churches. I don’t know, but that strikes me as kind of unholy. It’s not that the churches are closed, but that it was the government that closed them.
Contrary to the tunnel video, here is a video of Koreans not yielding for an ambulance. Perhaps what explains the difference is the question of personal selfish impact. If I stop to let the ambulance exit from the hospital, it will delay my travels by 15 seconds. On the other hand, in the tunnel, if I cooperate and yield to the situation I can get the heck out of here sooner. Plus, in the tunnel, there is the peer pressure of others yielding; I will look bad if I do not do the same. But in any case, I agree with the thrust of the essay; America 2.0 will unravel fast now.
Not surprisingly, there is also quite a bit of IQ difference between the older and the younger cohorts (with the younger being much higher), about which I think Anatoly Karlin posted a while back. Also not surprisingly, the younger cohorts have lower attachments to their families and relatives (in other words, the older folks are much more "clannish"). That's what 70 years of economic development and Westernization do.
By the way, let me quote from myself from an older thread.As for this:They aren't quite there yet. But they are far more afraid of the authorities than the Japanese and the Koreans are.
I do think AE is tad too pessimistic about America. I see far more acts of kindess and mutual consideration than selfishness, but perhaps there is a selection effect (I live in a super zip) and it is early in the pandemic.Replies: @RSDB
can you specify the weather we need?
And if weather is a big impact, then we should see sun belt cities do better?
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
I do think that Western stories tend to be more individualistic. As far as I know, it is an ancient difference.
There used to be this great exchange between Japan and America (or the West), where films had influence both ways. King Kong inspired Godzilla. Yojimbo was influenced by Westerns, but also influenced Westerns. The film A Fistful of Dollars was influenced by Yojimbo. And, of course, Ran is based on King Lear.
IMO, sadly this interesting and productive exchange has broken down. It still takes place, but it a very decadent and not very productive way. America, being a multiculture or anticulture, making product not culture, can’t do much to contribute to Japan’s culture. Japanese movies do maintain some cultural integrity, but American adaptions of these, are just globalist products, and lack the special magic of cultural adaptions.
BTW, don’t know if you ever saw the Schwarzenegger film Raw Deal, not a terrible movie, but not a great one. Anyway, I think it would have been a really great movie, if they had taken some inspiration from Yojimbo, and made Schwarzenegger try to pit two gangs against each other, by going from one to the other.
There is considerable civic orientation difference between the older generation and the younger generation in South Korea. Younger people are far more likely to stand in lines patiently, help strangers, or make anonymous donations than the older cohorts. (There is even a video of a Korean social experiment on YouTube where “gifts” were left unattended on a table in a crowded street in return for a small donation – most gave donations and the handful who didn’t were overwhelmingly the older folks.)
Not surprisingly, there is also quite a bit of IQ difference between the older and the younger cohorts (with the younger being much higher), about which I think Anatoly Karlin posted a while back. Also not surprisingly, the younger cohorts have lower attachments to their families and relatives (in other words, the older folks are much more “clannish”). That’s what 70 years of economic development and Westernization do.
By the way, let me quote from myself from an older thread.
As for this:
They aren’t quite there yet. But they are far more afraid of the authorities than the Japanese and the Koreans are.
I do think AE is tad too pessimistic about America. I see far more acts of kindess and mutual consideration than selfishness, but perhaps there is a selection effect (I live in a super zip) and it is early in the pandemic.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
Yes, indeed. One of the greatest Chinese classics, widely read in all of East Asia is “Outlaws of the Marsh”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Margin
http://www.outlawsofthemarsh.com/about-water-margin-podcast/
Koreans also have the legend of Hong Gil-Dong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Gildong_jeon
Its funny, because whenever I get sick of authority and rules I turn to Asian art, not Western, as an imaginative way out.
But this can coexist with a highly complex and conformist set of mainstream- can even be created by it as its shadow.
There used to be this great exchange between Japan and America (or the West), where films had influence both ways. King Kong inspired Godzilla. Yojimbo was influenced by Westerns, but also influenced Westerns. The film A Fistful of Dollars was influenced by Yojimbo. And, of course, Ran is based on King Lear.
IMO, sadly this interesting and productive exchange has broken down. It still takes place, but it a very decadent and not very productive way. America, being a multiculture or anticulture, making product not culture, can't do much to contribute to Japan's culture. Japanese movies do maintain some cultural integrity, but American adaptions of these, are just globalist products, and lack the special magic of cultural adaptions.
BTW, don't know if you ever saw the Schwarzenegger film Raw Deal, not a terrible movie, but not a great one. Anyway, I think it would have been a really great movie, if they had taken some inspiration from Yojimbo, and made Schwarzenegger try to pit two gangs against each other, by going from one to the other.Replies: @Talha
Like other movies of Korusawa who borrowed from Shakespeare quite a bit.
I agree – it is sad. The last reasonable exchange in this fashion that I liked was Rutger Hauer in Blind Fury in a copy of the blind swordsman, Zato Ichi, films.
Me and the kids have enjoyed some Studio Ghibli films, but I’m not aware of good cinema that Japan is cranking out now. If you have some suggestions, that would be appreciated.
Again it is sad, but if you look back to the 50’s and 60’s, many places were actually cranking out very reasonable and unique films and had their own local film industry (Japan, India, Egypt, Italy) before the global trend from the US started really changing the game for everyone.
No, I didn’t, but I did see Bruce Willis in Last Man Standing which was basically Yojimbo in a Western setting. It was alright, like you said “not a terrible movie, but not a great one”. Westerns and Samurai period films seem to be able to interchange plots and characters fairly well.
Peace.
https://youtu.be/zimgFHZOqek
This isn’t a traditional Samurai film. It’s about a man who deeply loves his children and has a strong sense of honor and duty. There is very little violence in it.
Another film, this one Korean, I recommend is this:
https://youtu.be/gXyxi-jnKxw
Both films “spoke” to me profoundly.Replies: @Talha
I haven't seen it yet myself, but I probably will one of these days, now that everything else is slowing down.Replies: @Dr. Krieger
John Regan mentioned Shin Godzilla. I tried watching this, but I couldn't take all the quick cuts. I don't know if this is bad influence from Hollywood, or some convergent trend. At heart, I suppose it might be an economic or a skill thing rather than an artistic style. I swear, I'd like to take some directors and tie them to a chair and tape their eyelids open, and force them to watch old movies with longshots, and zero quick cuts or shaky cam. I know that not everyone can be John Ford, but I'd take the film style of old sitcoms over what seems common in the theater now.Replies: @Talha
Well, looks like SHTF time. Bring it on. But first let me find the world’s smallest violin to play when all those rent-seeking MIC/Deep State Stasi are left with pay in Zimbabwean dollars and equally worthless pensions. Like those brave 27 agents who kicked in a senior citizen’s door with automatic weapons under the cover of darkness to arrest the senior citizen for a process crime.
For quite a while I knew something had to give but I never thought it would be something like this hyped up Chinese sniffles. They’re euthanizing the economy for a phantom threat. I’m convinced that they believe they can’t shutdown an economy and simply restart it. Like a cardioversion where doctors fully stop the heart for a split second to fix a minor arrhythmia and then restart the heart. Sometimes when you shut something down it doesn’t just restart and resume functioning. Especially if shutdown for more than an instant.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Twilight Samurai:
This isn’t a traditional Samurai film. It’s about a man who deeply loves his children and has a strong sense of honor and duty. There is very little violence in it.
Another film, this one Korean, I recommend is this:
Both films “spoke” to me profoundly.
Peace.Replies: @Twinkie
https://youtu.be/zimgFHZOqek
This isn’t a traditional Samurai film. It’s about a man who deeply loves his children and has a strong sense of honor and duty. There is very little violence in it.
Another film, this one Korean, I recommend is this:
https://youtu.be/gXyxi-jnKxw
Both films “spoke” to me profoundly.Replies: @Talha
Thanks, I’ll check them out. I have to mention that 13 Assassins was a recent one I enjoyed quite a bit.
Peace.
For a while, I didn't expect them to do it. The suburbs seemed to be going that way, but you could see pols were very reluctant to close the urban schools (I'd say to keep urban youths off the streets, during the day.)
Just by itself, I think this might have interesting consequences.
BTW, I heard Germany closed the churches. I don't know, but that strikes me as kind of unholy. It's not that the churches are closed, but that it was the government that closed them.Replies: @Anon
Catholic churches are closed in my large U.S. archdiocese. I found a church with a conservative priest who got the word out that masses will be said and confessions heard. People from different parishes got word as well and have shown up for Sunday and daily masses, Eucharistic Adoration, stations, et al.
It feels like the early church, secretly attending Mass in the catacombs. And the small disparate group coming together for the Mass is what you’d expect in the Apocalypse. A Vietnamese priest, a small group of West African nuns in traditional habit, an elderly Italian woman, a Filipino couple, a few older Irish, an East Indian man, etc.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.-T.S. Eliot
Will this be the turning point? I don’t know. I hope not, but I hear what you are saying.
To my way of thinking, we need to remember that the financial is always founded on the physical. If we have outsourced all of our industrial infrastructure, if massive immigration without the required capital investments to accommodate all those new people has drained our effective developed resources, if we are just living on recycled dollars from overseas, then it could all go up in a puff of smoke and indeed, at that point, there will be no financial trick that can save us. Just as if, if you are thrown out of an airplane at 20,000 feet without a parachute, tinkering with the marginal tax rate on capital gains is not really gonna cut it. The physical always trumps the financial, in the end.
Here’s one example: we no longer have the physical capability to ramp up the production of virus tests. We don’t have it, it’s all in China. So if we can’t tell who has the coronavirus and who doesn’t, there is simply no way we can control this epidemic. The ‘solution’ of our leaders is typical: throw crazy money at the drug companies, in ‘private-public partnerships’, and they will likely simply soak up all that cash charging the government $10,000 per test but not actually doing any more testing. Something like that. It’s all rot, it’s all corruption.
We are like a bunch of leeches, all feeding off each other, all scamming each other, but nobody actually being a primary producer. Ultimately that can’t go on forever.
Peace.Replies: @Twinkie
Neither is an action film. “Twilight Samurai” is about a man who just wants to educate his children and farm, but is too skillful in killing for his own good. “Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring” is about the consequence of desire and possession in place of love (the true essence of which is sacrifice)… and redemption.
The latter film evokes a strong sense of timelessness, and reminded me of what Mircea Eliade wrote of the Sacred – time without a place and a place without time (something that helped me with Transubstantiation when I struggled with it during my conversion to Catholicism).
I certainly hope so. If you are pro white you cannot be pro American, you need to decide now which is more important to you. The US regime ending would be a big boon for white interests.
Destroy the middle east, send the refugees north to destroy Europe. Double kill for the tribe.
Nation means nothing now, your nation is your race. Especially in the west.
This flu might be bad, and I certainly don’t mind doing some things to stop it, but these Democrats in America are ginning it all up beyond proportions to scare people during an election year.
In the East Asian nations they seem to be just rolling up their sleeves and doing what needs to be done.
Worse than that, it is pouring petrol on the fire for the following generations. No small wonder then that #BoomerRemover is trending.
BTW, Germans form rescue lanes in traffic jams too. It is amazing to see a total blockage of an Autobahn turn into a social scene, with groups of people chatting away while fire engines, police, ambulances and wreckers go speeding by to clean up the mess.
Nice try, Boris.
Shin Gojira gets pretty good word of mouth. Topically, it takes the tack of looking at giant monster attacks from the point of view of government crisis management.
I haven’t seen it yet myself, but I probably will one of these days, now that everything else is slowing down.
The Japanese finally ditched the man in the suit Gojira too. When he cuts loose with the atomic fire/beam, it is truly a sight.
Never mind, today they now shutting down the private masses for the priests while holding the church open to public. Even though there were only 25-30 communicants, the state health department required them to shut it down. Wow, this is truly demonic what’s going on.
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
-T.S. Eliot
To my way of thinking, we need to remember that the financial is always founded on the physical. If we have outsourced all of our industrial infrastructure, if massive immigration without the required capital investments to accommodate all those new people has drained our effective developed resources, if we are just living on recycled dollars from overseas, then it could all go up in a puff of smoke and indeed, at that point, there will be no financial trick that can save us. Just as if, if you are thrown out of an airplane at 20,000 feet without a parachute, tinkering with the marginal tax rate on capital gains is not really gonna cut it. The physical always trumps the financial, in the end.
Here's one example: we no longer have the physical capability to ramp up the production of virus tests. We don't have it, it's all in China. So if we can't tell who has the coronavirus and who doesn't, there is simply no way we can control this epidemic. The 'solution' of our leaders is typical: throw crazy money at the drug companies, in 'private-public partnerships', and they will likely simply soak up all that cash charging the government $10,000 per test but not actually doing any more testing. Something like that. It's all rot, it's all corruption.
We are like a bunch of leeches, all feeding off each other, all scamming each other, but nobody actually being a primary producer. Ultimately that can't go on forever.Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Audacious Epigone
There were cases of small labs creating Coronavirus test kits themselves, such as a flu study in Washington State and Stanford U, but they were told to limit it to in-house and to cease and desist testing the public. The Gates Foundation is working on a home test kit.
I’d like to see a coalition of states, maybe blue and red, exercise state’s rights by using readily available WHO tests or locally created ones. Let the feds take them to court and see how far they get. Let’s see how Trump would handle it. Pretty sure they’d win in the court of public opinion.
I keep seeing people saying variations on “the Democrats are panicmongering”.
Not one of them has ever addressed why practically every government in Europe is panicking too, including the right-wing ones. This insistence on “whatever the Democrats say, go with the opposite” is a fatal trap when it eventually runs up against the case when they’re telling the truth.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
Has nothing to do with whites.
In the past whites have always done what they had to do to survive. Depressions, world wars etc. The issue here is the lack of social capital.
Whites would recover just fine from this in a white country. With solutions created by whites for whites. But when your neighbors are foreign – different language, different religion, different culture – would you even care? Hence the great failure of “diversity”. Not to mention that the elites are often also foreign, with a white appearance.
So a solution that works for whites won’t work for asians, or a solution that works for blacks won’t work for Hispanics. Unfortunately all these different people groups are living together in the american “”melting pot”” and must be cared for. Diversity sucks in so many ways.
Another factor here is the fear of death from the boomers. They are an atheist generation who sold out everyones future to get cheap stuff from China. Now as they are approaching the end it turns out that drugs, sex, and rock and roll (and cheap shit) is not going to fill the eternal void. Hence the great panic.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coronavirus-face-masks-hand-gel-scotland-uk-outbreak-a9397781.htmlPossibly, but I'm sure many policies would overlap, like "don't shake hands, don't attend large gatherings".Possibly. And they are certainly represented well in positions where government policies are made at this point in time.
Peace.
The stock market was just a bubble waiting for a pin to come along to pop it. If it hadn’t been coronavirus it would have just been something else. The negative effects of Federal Reserve intervention in the economy along with other forms of government intervention are going to last a long time.
The economy may never recover. Coronavirus may kill off a few nonproductive elderly people sooner than they would have died otherwise and that may help the economy, though it will be heartbreaking for anyone who cared about them who is still alive. Any economic benefits from that, though, will be exceeded by the overall cost of the disease.
One thing you have to consider in the long run is that a higher percentage of the elderly are white. These elderly whites are less likely to be on the economic left than younger nonwhites or even younger whites. These older whites are currently blocking full blown socialism with their votes. When these old white people are gone Congress will be filled with AOC and Ilhan Omar types who will enact even more disastrous economic policies than the ones we have now.
In the long term it doesn't really matter. Trump might squeak by once more in 2020 but by 2028 at the latest it just won't be possible for a Republican to win due to demographics.
Right now alot of whites think "well if we vote in red team things will go back to normal like the 1980s". While ignoring demographic reality. This will be a wakeup call for sure. I wonder how they will react?
If the alternative is the status quo of the past 40 years I'll take full blown socialism.
Whites are the new Palestinians.
Destroy the middle east, send the refugees north to destroy Europe. Double kill for the tribe.
Nation means nothing now, your nation is your race. Especially in the west.
Not one of them has ever addressed why practically every government in Europe is panicking too, including the right-wing ones. This insistence on "whatever the Democrats say, go with the opposite" is a fatal trap when it eventually runs up against the case when they're telling the truth.Replies: @Digital Samizdat
With the exception of Italy, few countries in Europe are going as crazy as the US. In Germany (where I’m living) they just shut down the schools yesterday for a few weeks, but all other businesses are open. And I haven’t seen much evidence of panic-buying, etc. Britain is even publicly swearing off any general closures or quarantines, telling people instead to expose themselves to the virus in order to create more ‘herd immunity’! In France, however, I see that Emmanuel Macron is using this as an excuse to try and shut down the gilets jaunes demonstrations–so far unsuccessfully.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
Arguably, East Asia has birthed the strongest and purest form of non-conformist, individualist, and anarchic philosophy the world has ever seen – Taoism and Zen.
Some Westerners have speculated that this was the necessary antidote to the highly complex social rules mainstream Asian society was governed by.
But reading through the major texts of these schools is enough to disabuse one once and for all of the notion that Asians are fundamentally conformist and law abiding.
Peace.Replies: @AaronB, @Daniel Chieh
The economy may never recover. Coronavirus may kill off a few nonproductive elderly people sooner than they would have died otherwise and that may help the economy, though it will be heartbreaking for anyone who cared about them who is still alive. Any economic benefits from that, though, will be exceeded by the overall cost of the disease.
One thing you have to consider in the long run is that a higher percentage of the elderly are white. These elderly whites are less likely to be on the economic left than younger nonwhites or even younger whites. These older whites are currently blocking full blown socialism with their votes. When these old white people are gone Congress will be filled with AOC and Ilhan Omar types who will enact even more disastrous economic policies than the ones we have now.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Daniel H
So bring it on now.
In the long term it doesn’t really matter. Trump might squeak by once more in 2020 but by 2028 at the latest it just won’t be possible for a Republican to win due to demographics.
Right now alot of whites think “well if we vote in red team things will go back to normal like the 1980s”. While ignoring demographic reality. This will be a wakeup call for sure. I wonder how they will react?
The economy may never recover. Coronavirus may kill off a few nonproductive elderly people sooner than they would have died otherwise and that may help the economy, though it will be heartbreaking for anyone who cared about them who is still alive. Any economic benefits from that, though, will be exceeded by the overall cost of the disease.
One thing you have to consider in the long run is that a higher percentage of the elderly are white. These elderly whites are less likely to be on the economic left than younger nonwhites or even younger whites. These older whites are currently blocking full blown socialism with their votes. When these old white people are gone Congress will be filled with AOC and Ilhan Omar types who will enact even more disastrous economic policies than the ones we have now.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Daniel H
These older whites are currently blocking full blown socialism with their votes
If the alternative is the status quo of the past 40 years I’ll take full blown socialism.
Trump might squeak by once more in 2020 but by 2028 at the latest it just won’t be possible for a Republican to win due to demographics.
Yep, and that’s a good thing. The cucks are the enemy, the traitor.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
If I may add to Twinkie’s reply:
https://spandrell.com/2015/09/30/male-culture/
http://spandrell.com/2015/12/30/men-doing-their-own-thing/ .
(If you don’t get to the comments, note however “The Water Margin has been an officially forbidden book for longer than it has been allowed. “.)
I recommend the blog in general as well; looping it back here – https://spandrell.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ .
That’s interesting.
I like your name, by the way. Reminds me of Ernst Zuendel.
Looks like I spoke too soon, though. I found out later on today that the government is now ordering all restaurant, bars, etc., to close as well. But the panic-buying still doesn't seem to be out of control.Replies: @Lot
http://www.outlawsofthemarsh.com/about-water-margin-podcast/Koreans also have the legend of Hong Gil-Dong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Gildong_jeonReplies: @AaronB
The Monkey character from Journey to the West is also a classic type of wild and uncontrollable scamp who thumbs his nose and laughs at authority and rules, although not exactly criminal.
Its funny, because whenever I get sick of authority and rules I turn to Asian art, not Western, as an imaginative way out.
But this can coexist with a highly complex and conformist set of mainstream- can even be created by it as its shadow.
Two more recent anime movies are Your Name and Weathering with You. A bit of a disclaimer – I haven’t actually seen either – that’s just the way I am, usually it’s a while before I get around to seeing a newer movie nowadays. But I heard good things about them, and I heard someone play some music from Weathering with You on a piano once, and I was impressed by it.
John Regan mentioned Shin Godzilla. I tried watching this, but I couldn’t take all the quick cuts. I don’t know if this is bad influence from Hollywood, or some convergent trend. At heart, I suppose it might be an economic or a skill thing rather than an artistic style. I swear, I’d like to take some directors and tie them to a chair and tape their eyelids open, and force them to watch old movies with longshots, and zero quick cuts or shaky cam. I know that not everyone can be John Ford, but I’d take the film style of old sitcoms over what seems common in the theater now.
Peace.
Some Westerners have speculated that this was the necessary antidote to the highly complex social rules mainstream Asian society was governed by.
But reading through the major texts of these schools is enough to disabuse one once and for all of the notion that Asians are fundamentally conformist and law abiding.Replies: @Talha
I’m no expert on the subject, but from my readings on it, I thought these were often at odds with Confucianism, no? So I guess a lot of it comes down to how popularly adapted those two approaches to life are in that region – are they pervasive or are they marginal? Then one has to put this all in the backdrop of Communist ideologies which tried to purge a lot of that individualism out of society by a stamping it out with a large, bloody boot.
There you go.
Peace.
However, Taoism ended up influencing Confucianism, and the two streams often coexisted harmoniously. As for how central Taoism was, it was at different times extremely central, and always influential.
Some emperors courts were explicitly Taoist, and some made reading the Tao Teh Ching mandatory.
Art, poetry, painting, and literature were Taoist, and Confucian scholars would often turn Taoist later in life and retire to the mountains.
So it was huge throughout Asian history.
Communism and the current Chinese system derive more from the Legalist school of repressive control - historically, this was the harshest and least long lasting Chinese school of thought and governance - and it is often followed by a Taoist revival of some kind.
So I'm optimistic for China.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
The actual challenge to Confucianism was Buddhism, which was seen as a foreign influence. Efforts were made to eradicate it but ultimately were unsuccessful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Anti-Buddhist_PersecutionReplies: @Talha, @AaronB
Digital Samizdat – I speak French fluently, I have a fair number of relatives in France with whom I am in regular contact, I’ve been following local news and online discussions on this, and based on the information available to me I am satisfied that your characterization of the situation is not remotely accurate.
John Regan mentioned Shin Godzilla. I tried watching this, but I couldn't take all the quick cuts. I don't know if this is bad influence from Hollywood, or some convergent trend. At heart, I suppose it might be an economic or a skill thing rather than an artistic style. I swear, I'd like to take some directors and tie them to a chair and tape their eyelids open, and force them to watch old movies with longshots, and zero quick cuts or shaky cam. I know that not everyone can be John Ford, but I'd take the film style of old sitcoms over what seems common in the theater now.Replies: @Talha
Thanks for more suggestions!
I watched the cemetery scene from the ‘The Good, the Bad and the Ugly’ a little while back and remember thinking, there is no way that today’s audience could keep their attention for this long on something. I personally thought it was brilliant!
Peace.
Peace.Replies: @AaronB, @Daniel Chieh
Taoism was definitely opposed to Confucianism – Confucius is often the butt of jokes in Taoist texts, as the strait laced humorless overly serious type.
However, Taoism ended up influencing Confucianism, and the two streams often coexisted harmoniously. As for how central Taoism was, it was at different times extremely central, and always influential.
Some emperors courts were explicitly Taoist, and some made reading the Tao Teh Ching mandatory.
Art, poetry, painting, and literature were Taoist, and Confucian scholars would often turn Taoist later in life and retire to the mountains.
So it was huge throughout Asian history.
Communism and the current Chinese system derive more from the Legalist school of repressive control – historically, this was the harshest and least long lasting Chinese school of thought and governance – and it is often followed by a Taoist revival of some kind.
So I’m optimistic for China.
Peace.Replies: @AaronB, @Daniel Chieh
Taoism is essentially a form of mysticism, a bit like dervishes; for obvious reasons, you cannot actually run a government off it though it can have influence now and there, especially on artists or the elite seeking immortality.
The actual challenge to Confucianism was Buddhism, which was seen as a foreign influence. Efforts were made to eradicate it but ultimately were unsuccessful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Anti-Buddhist_Persecution
Taoism has tons of advice on how to run a government - basically, the more hands off the better. In that its very similar to modern western ideas of laisse faire.
Problem is, there are times and situations when this isn't effective. I think Taoism recognizes that sometimes violence and control must, regrettably, be used.
But laisse faire is undoubtedly best when society is healthy - each man under his vine, as the biblical saying has it, in similarly anarchic fashion.
The US is as crazy as they want to show it on TV. DS. Where I live, school is closed (pretty much a cover-his-ass thing by the Governor to match what everyone else is doing), most sit-down joints will only let you take stuff out, and the grocery store near us is just fine.
My wife is the one freaking out around here, and she doeesn’t even read Steve Sailer!
The infotainment works both to inflame the stupidity and to make others think that the whole country is a shit show. This is why I can’t stand some of the Fred Reed writings lately. He lives in Mexico, extols life down there, comes back here for healthcare and money, then sits in his daughter’s living room in Washington, FS, watching TV and telling us what’s wrong with us.
TV is full of shit, D.S. I have not been hooked up for 20 years.
However, Taoism ended up influencing Confucianism, and the two streams often coexisted harmoniously. As for how central Taoism was, it was at different times extremely central, and always influential.
Some emperors courts were explicitly Taoist, and some made reading the Tao Teh Ching mandatory.
Art, poetry, painting, and literature were Taoist, and Confucian scholars would often turn Taoist later in life and retire to the mountains.
So it was huge throughout Asian history.
Communism and the current Chinese system derive more from the Legalist school of repressive control - historically, this was the harshest and least long lasting Chinese school of thought and governance - and it is often followed by a Taoist revival of some kind.
So I'm optimistic for China.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
Legalism is the reason why China exists. No Qin means no China. Notably while the Han adopted Confucianism, ultimately centralization of the state as a Legalist concept has remained ever after as did the ever-spiraling bureaucracy needed to maintain a centralized state.
It has its time and place. But it is harshly repressive and hostile to art, religion, freedom, and imagination - the first legalist government burned all the books. So it cannot be the predominant element for long. But sure, it has its place and time.
It is maybe a crisis response - like today. But it never lasts long.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
Well, to be perfectly honest, it does to a degree. Globetrotting white tourists are definitely helping to spread this thing.
Well, to be honest, everyone will recover from this as well. And I guess this will be seen with the response of the Visegrad Group countries. After the dust clears, we will all be able to see the statistics and see which countries responded in what manner and how successful their policies were.
Maybe you might not, but others would. I mean, I’m planning on checking in on my neighbors to see if they are doing OK (including the old white cat-lady) and asking around if they need stuff. This is apart from checking in on my elderly uncles. I assume everyone else is also. Somebody sent me this about a Muslim couple in Scotland:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coronavirus-face-masks-hand-gel-scotland-uk-outbreak-a9397781.html
Possibly, but I’m sure many policies would overlap, like “don’t shake hands, don’t attend large gatherings”.
Possibly. And they are certainly represented well in positions where government policies are made at this point in time.
Peace.
Sure, you need a bit of legalism. And yes, legalism was hugely successful in that it unified the state, I believe for the first time.
It has its time and place. But it is harshly repressive and hostile to art, religion, freedom, and imagination – the first legalist government burned all the books. So it cannot be the predominant element for long. But sure, it has its place and time.
It is maybe a crisis response – like today. But it never lasts long.
Qin Legalism did not destroy all books: legalism destroyed rival forms of culture, especially writing systems and killed their scholars. This has indeed pretty tragic effects, essentially destroying the House of Logic, much of the humanistic Mohism School(major portions would be absorbed by Confucianism) and so on, thus setting China back scientifically for hundreds of years.
A singular writing system is one of the reasons that China was able to keep together, though and see themselves ultimately as one people as opposed to Chu, Yeuh, Wu, etc. Efforts to eradicate sorcercy(which was very Taoist) and astrology also reduced practices of human sacrifice, etc, so it was not an unalloyed evil.Replies: @AaronB
It has its time and place. But it is harshly repressive and hostile to art, religion, freedom, and imagination - the first legalist government burned all the books. So it cannot be the predominant element for long. But sure, it has its place and time.
It is maybe a crisis response - like today. But it never lasts long.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
Legalism ultimately is just a form of governance that emphasizes the importance of a consistent rule of law, centralization of power toward the state, and the effort to reduce variation on rulers. In many ways it is fascism, but fascism isn’t necessarily an automatic death sentence to all forms of art.
Qin Legalism did not destroy all books: legalism destroyed rival forms of culture, especially writing systems and killed their scholars. This has indeed pretty tragic effects, essentially destroying the House of Logic, much of the humanistic Mohism School(major portions would be absorbed by Confucianism) and so on, thus setting China back scientifically for hundreds of years.
A singular writing system is one of the reasons that China was able to keep together, though and see themselves ultimately as one people as opposed to Chu, Yeuh, Wu, etc. Efforts to eradicate sorcercy(which was very Taoist) and astrology also reduced practices of human sacrifice, etc, so it was not an unalloyed evil.
Too much and you destroy creativity and imagination, spontaneity and freedom.
Legalism and fascism just take it too far to be a long term system.
But of course it's true too much chaos is destructive.
Taoism is a bit more subtle than just promoting lawless spontaneity - Taoism envisions a subtle natural law that pervades the universe, and that humans come into accord with naturally if they cease imposing their own will on things. It's a religious concept at its root.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
shedding of dead weight . . . not to be obnoxious, but that isn’t even close. As I understand it, the feds just borrowed another ten trillion
if that’s correct we’ve exchanged a ton for three tons. A needless panic maneuver
correction not ten trillion -- but one roughly one trillion
That's a relief . . . but removing dead weight and borrowing to shore up the system . . . uhhhh not likely
Same where I live. One thing was brought to my attention last night that I hadn’t thought of previously. I was talking to the cashier at a little grocery store I visit. She said they were much busier than usual since the restaurants were closed and people were also visiting her store more to stock up due to panic buying. I smiled and said she didn’t have to worry about them shutting her store down and being off work and unable to pay her bills. She frowned unhappily and said she and all of her coworkers felt unsafe like they were on the front lines in a war. They have to deal with a constant stream of people who are standing a few feet away from them, some of whom may be infected.
The actual challenge to Confucianism was Buddhism, which was seen as a foreign influence. Efforts were made to eradicate it but ultimately were unsuccessful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Anti-Buddhist_PersecutionReplies: @Talha, @AaronB
Very interesting takeaways from the article you cited:
Frickin’ peasants! Trying to get out of paying taxes by running off to temples for enlightenment and “muh gibz”, eh??!! We’ll show them!
Interested that this policy of massive state repression of Buddhism as a religion came at the hands of a person who was a “zealous follower” of a strain of mysticism. Did not see that one coming.
Interesting how human beings can be locus of such seemingly discordant attributes and ideas. For instance, I found out recently that the current undefeated heavy weight boxing champ, Tyson Fury, who is a massive 280-pound, 6′ 9″ behemoth, was born a 1 pound premature baby who wasn’t expected to live.
I remember studying this a bit with my son when he was covering this in his World History class – obviously not in serious depth, but it talked of how there were about 3 or 4 competing philosophies that were being formulated within a similar time frame. Ultimately, I guess, the one philosophy willing to go postal on the others will win out for a good long while.
Peace.
One could see why that might make the government a bit nervous for a religion to begin the creation of a rival state system.Mysticism can be violent. The Assassins were mystics.Replies: @Talha
It was a bit more than that – an interesting history overall, but Mahayanan Buddhism was becoming a serious contender for power, well beyond just recruiting converts. Besides the significant numbers of monks and nuns, it also was amassing wealth from donations, lending out money and collecting interest, building infrastructure with said monks, and even militant factions such as those which would become the Shaolin. Since it was an evangelical religion, their task could not be completed unless they converted the entire world to Buddhism.
One could see why that might make the government a bit nervous for a religion to begin the creation of a rival state system.
Mysticism can be violent. The Assassins were mystics.
Qin Legalism did not destroy all books: legalism destroyed rival forms of culture, especially writing systems and killed their scholars. This has indeed pretty tragic effects, essentially destroying the House of Logic, much of the humanistic Mohism School(major portions would be absorbed by Confucianism) and so on, thus setting China back scientifically for hundreds of years.
A singular writing system is one of the reasons that China was able to keep together, though and see themselves ultimately as one people as opposed to Chu, Yeuh, Wu, etc. Efforts to eradicate sorcercy(which was very Taoist) and astrology also reduced practices of human sacrifice, etc, so it was not an unalloyed evil.Replies: @AaronB
I agree that law and order are necessary, but the question is always the degree.
Too much and you destroy creativity and imagination, spontaneity and freedom.
Legalism and fascism just take it too far to be a long term system.
But of course it’s true too much chaos is destructive.
Taoism is a bit more subtle than just promoting lawless spontaneity – Taoism envisions a subtle natural law that pervades the universe, and that humans come into accord with naturally if they cease imposing their own will on things. It’s a religious concept at its root.
The actual challenge to Confucianism was Buddhism, which was seen as a foreign influence. Efforts were made to eradicate it but ultimately were unsuccessful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Anti-Buddhist_PersecutionReplies: @Talha, @AaronB
Sort of.
Taoism has tons of advice on how to run a government – basically, the more hands off the better. In that its very similar to modern western ideas of laisse faire.
Problem is, there are times and situations when this isn’t effective. I think Taoism recognizes that sometimes violence and control must, regrettably, be used.
But laisse faire is undoubtedly best when society is healthy – each man under his vine, as the biblical saying has it, in similarly anarchic fashion.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
Nonsense. Americans have not been “can-do” since the early 20th century.
For the last 50 years at least they’ve been “can’t do.”
Whenever anybody tries to do something in the US, anything at all, all they get is a nagging chorus of “you can’t do that.” “Aaaa, you can’t do that.” That’s the American way, “AAAAAAA, you can’t do that.”
One could see why that might make the government a bit nervous for a religion to begin the creation of a rival state system.Mysticism can be violent. The Assassins were mystics.Replies: @Talha
Yes – of course – I was being facetious. Thanks for giving it some more depth as to where and which aspects the state saw the rivalry coming from.
Excellent point! A bit like how “super tolerant” SJWs like Antifa can chimp out on people they disagree with.
Peace.
Too much and you destroy creativity and imagination, spontaneity and freedom.
Legalism and fascism just take it too far to be a long term system.
But of course it's true too much chaos is destructive.
Taoism is a bit more subtle than just promoting lawless spontaneity - Taoism envisions a subtle natural law that pervades the universe, and that humans come into accord with naturally if they cease imposing their own will on things. It's a religious concept at its root.Replies: @Daniel Chieh
I’m sure that we’ll handle a pandemic just fine by doing nothing except what “comes naturally”, too.
Buddhists and Taoists think that the more you try and control, the more you are afraid - you have to "let go". I notice that the science and technology control types are the ones most freaking out about this. And it would be fitting for the modern order to die of its own philosoph, in one final spasm of attempting to control things.
I could be wrong, though. It would be amusingly ironic of I end up dying of the coronavirus
if that's correct we've exchanged a ton for three tons. A needless panic maneuverReplies: @EliteCommInc.
Laugh . . .
correction not ten trillion — but one roughly one trillion
That’s a relief . . . but removing dead weight and borrowing to shore up the system . . . uhhhh not likely
Funny you should say that, because I’m one of the skeptics on this pandemic. For some time now, I’ve thought our society has gone insane about risk, and is gripped with fear – so I’m inclined to think that this thing is part of the same mental disorder.
Buddhists and Taoists think that the more you try and control, the more you are afraid – you have to “let go”. I notice that the science and technology control types are the ones most freaking out about this. And it would be fitting for the modern order to die of its own philosoph, in one final spasm of attempting to control things.
I could be wrong, though. It would be amusingly ironic of I end up dying of the coronavirus
I haven't seen it yet myself, but I probably will one of these days, now that everything else is slowing down.Replies: @Dr. Krieger
I really like Shin Gojira. It’s a good film, even when Gojira isn’t on screen. It has some excellent themes about sceloritic bureaucracy, but also sacrifice.
The Japanese finally ditched the man in the suit Gojira too. When he cuts loose with the atomic fire/beam, it is truly a sight.
Joe Biden is going to be President, so who cares. America is about to end.
all Trump is doing now is making sure the Democrats have a nice, sanitary, clean country to dominate for the next century.
hard to believe this miracle out of nowhere for the enemy. but like the man said, deserve’s got nothing to do with it. i had a good laugh today. so much work to resist the left, all lost for what is seemingly divine intervention to secure the extremely undeserving left’s final victory over us.
most annoying is how Trump correctly campaigned specifically against China, and how the left said everything Trump did was wrong, including trying to secure the borders against the virus. now both the left and China will be rewarded in 10 months time, for being totally, dead wrong.
it’s much less offensive that senile, stumbling, always wrong, Joe Biden will be rewarded with becoming President. that’s just a detail in the catastrophe that is the end of America. it could have been any of the Democrats. any of them would have won after this miracle of global coronavirus for the Democrats. we’ve never seen anything like this before, nor will we ever again see anything like this again. the sheer lunacy on display today in the biggest overreaction of all time.
Embrace the collapse. Don't support accelerationism. But just accept things for what they are and do the best to redpill and make connections in our reality. 97% of whites will fall. We are the 3% that can rebuild. There will be no savior the way some thought Trump was.
It would have been nice if Trump had gone out fighting, advocating - for posterity's sake - and alt reading or what has gotten us into this mess, but it was too much to hope for. Trump is not alt. He is not alt-woke.
I pray for a precipitous collapse. I want to see the fireworks before I pass.
I'm relatively optimistic: America has gotten through tougher times before. The question is how much pain it is going to take before the wheel turns.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Mr. Rational
The demographics just aren’t there. And a large number of remaining whites just don’t care. Or actively support it. Pusssssy, or drugs, or rapp music (see look Tyrone, I’m cool too!!) is more important to them.
Embrace the collapse. Don’t support accelerationism. But just accept things for what they are and do the best to redpill and make connections in our reality. 97% of whites will fall. We are the 3% that can rebuild. There will be no savior the way some thought Trump was.
I dunno, DS. I popped into a REWE the other day, and they were stock-out on Toilet Paper, Sagrotan, Flour, Sugar, and Yeast. Plenty of vodka, though. That’ll be the next run.
And America will be one 25th Amendment action away from its first female African American President.
The video you showed is definitely representative of South Korean society. It’s proven itself to be a high trust, first world country. Ironic, considering just a few generations ago it was a third world country.
I would also include Singapore and Taiwan in that category as well; if an accident like that happened in those countries, there would be a similar reaction.
China is kind of a mixed bag. They have first rate infrastructure, but there is still very much of a third world mentality. That’s why the Chinese government has to use brute force to get their people to comply, especially in regards to the Corona virus crisis. However, it’s necessary, otherwise it would be a mess, with every man for himself.
In America we have a society that is slowly turning third world, and an ineffective government. Not a good combination.
“hard to believe this miracle out of nowhere for the enemy. but like the man said, deserve’s got nothing to do with it. i had a good laugh today. so much work to resist the left, all lost for what is seemingly divine intervention to secure the extremely undeserving left’s final victory over us.”
Suppose i bought your argument, and I don’t, but supposing i did, i would have no impact on resisting the left. Resisting the left, liberals, Libertarians, and others is something that is based on one’s ideological perspective. So even if this executive lost, and I think there’s plenty of room to consider otherwise, it would have no imp[act on challenging damaging politics, ethos or other aspects and behaviors that damage human existence and in our case the US and its citizens.
I don’t dismiss the divine wind be it tsunami battering Russian ships or the hot winds of nuclear storms crashing across Japan, but rain falls on the just and the unjust. And there’s no reason not to make a case that the rain is falling as rain falls according to forces outside of human control and humans are not responsible for plagues: black, flu or corona included – until demonstrated otherwise.
(I hold a different view regarding HIV most likely resulting from human error).
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“And America will be one 25th Amendment action away from its first female African American President.”
I think a lot more has to happen before the country votes for a woman executive. I think the examples of women in leadership or influence have demonstrated that being a woman is no hedge against support and advocacy for needless destructive warfare.
Laughing. Dude, what's that 25th Amendment thing all about, again?
(I hold a different view regarding HIV most likely resulting from human error).
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"And America will be one 25th Amendment action away from its first female African American President."
I think a lot more has to happen before the country votes for a woman executive. I think the examples of women in leadership or influence have demonstrated that being a woman is no hedge against support and advocacy for needless destructive warfare.Replies: @anon
I think a lot more has to happen before the country votes for a woman executive.
Laughing. Dude, what’s that 25th Amendment thing all about, again?
Coronavirus makes no difference. Trump was going to lose no matter. The demographics were against him. His margin in the swing states is already dead, buried and moldering in the ground.
It would have been nice if Trump had gone out fighting, advocating – for posterity’s sake – and alt reading or what has gotten us into this mess, but it was too much to hope for. Trump is not alt. He is not alt-woke.
I pray for a precipitous collapse. I want to see the fireworks before I pass.
99.99%ile comment.
Thanks!
Looks like I spoke too soon, though. I found out later on today that the government is now ordering all restaurant, bars, etc., to close as well. But the panic-buying still doesn’t seem to be out of control.
Just anecdotes, and Costco which can be crazy on normal days.
I’ve been to the grocery several times, nothing sold out other than hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes. Plenty of TP, soap, canned food, etc. No crazy lines.
Americans have big houses, lots of cars, plenty of food in storage. We can handle a shutdown as well as anyone.
Also don’t agree with AE that we’ll have a financial crisis. We’ll print our way out of trouble just fine. Everyone takes dollars, and that isn’t going to change.
All I can comment is that based on videos online of supermarkets in Australia it appears that the panic is driven by non-Whites. One video I saw of the toilet paper being almost instantly cleaned out was full of hijabs, black hair, brown skin, and the like. No surprise when Asian grocery stores are now selling 10 packs of toilet paper for $36. I’m not saying there isn’t a White element to this, but I would like to see a comparison of how different racial groups are reacting in Western countries. Clannish behaviour helps when there’s a limit on 1 per person for any good and you’re entire extended family goes in and buys it up.
Also just want to comment good luck getting market forces to behave in a reasonable manner in the face of increased demand/revenue. Having worked in management for supermarkets they’re the best at putting out inane statements about how much they’re doing, along with “restricting” supply, as they do nothing to stop people buying one and coming back in to buy another, stopping kids from buying 1 item as each parent also does (providing 3x to a household) and generally actually doing nothing but symbolic gestures to manage anything at all. Very sad behaviour all round by all parties.
They are not capable of supporting themselves, or really doing anything in western countries, without the benevolent and ignorant white masses supporting them.
Anyways, we're quickly devolving into a horrific shithole (all western countries with "diversity") and corona is exposing the lack of social trust, as well as the decline of social capital.Replies: @Talha
So, Achmed, we agree that John Prine was right. 😉
>Joe Biden is going to be President, so who cares. America is about to end.
I’m relatively optimistic: America has gotten through tougher times before. The question is how much pain it is going to take before the wheel turns.
Things aren't going back to normal Boomer 1980s America once red team gets back into power.
Our future will be hell. Better start working out how we as a people will live through it.Replies: @anon
That won't work for the whole USA. Before things get even a fraction as bad as Detoilet in the hinterlands, there will be death squads getting rid of criminals and the public officials who enable them. There will be firebombings of Section 8 housing and welfare offices full of browns babbling in foreign languages. Pajeet's friend's car will blow up one morning and Pajeet will pack up his things and head back to B'lore so it doesn't happen to him.
And the Woke response to the backlash will be furious. But when the White cops have stood down, and the incompetent and enemy-uniformed-by-their-skins AA hires are trying to do enforcement, how far will they get before their losses force them to surrender?Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Audacious Epigone
Also just want to comment good luck getting market forces to behave in a reasonable manner in the face of increased demand/revenue. Having worked in management for supermarkets they're the best at putting out inane statements about how much they're doing, along with "restricting" supply, as they do nothing to stop people buying one and coming back in to buy another, stopping kids from buying 1 item as each parent also does (providing 3x to a household) and generally actually doing nothing but symbolic gestures to manage anything at all. Very sad behaviour all round by all parties.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
The non-whites think toilet paper is the most important key to survival, I guess. It will be funny when things actually collapse and TP is the least important thing around.
They are not capable of supporting themselves, or really doing anything in western countries, without the benevolent and ignorant white masses supporting them.
Anyways, we’re quickly devolving into a horrific shithole (all western countries with “diversity”) and corona is exposing the lack of social trust, as well as the decline of social capital.
https://www.twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1239644633065574400
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/bidet-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage/
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Twinkie, @Yahya K.
I would also include Singapore and Taiwan in that category as well; if an accident like that happened in those countries, there would be a similar reaction.
China is kind of a mixed bag. They have first rate infrastructure, but there is still very much of a third world mentality. That's why the Chinese government has to use brute force to get their people to comply, especially in regards to the Corona virus crisis. However, it's necessary, otherwise it would be a mess, with every man for himself.
In America we have a society that is slowly turning third world, and an ineffective government. Not a good combination.Replies: @nebulafox
During the initial breakout, before travel was basically shut down, we’ve had a few mainlanders here (Singapore) with the coronavirus slip out of their quarantine and flee across the Malaysian border, presumably to go back to China. According to LTC over at iSteve, the same thing happened in Hong Kong, to the point where they dropped down onto the train tracks to elude the police on the way up to Shenzhen.
You can’t fix stupid. No, I do not blame the CPC at all for enacting their draconian measures against the virus. If they didn’t, who knows how bad it would have gotten?
BTW, people commenting on how churches are shutting down in Europe: not limited to there, mosques here and in Malaysia are being closed, too.
The show must go on.
Peace.Replies: @nebulafox
I'm relatively optimistic: America has gotten through tougher times before. The question is how much pain it is going to take before the wheel turns.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Mr. Rational
The wheel is never turning; there just aren’t (or won’t be very soon) enough whites left to turn it.
Things aren’t going back to normal Boomer 1980s America once red team gets back into power.
Our future will be hell. Better start working out how we as a people will live through it.
They are not capable of supporting themselves, or really doing anything in western countries, without the benevolent and ignorant white masses supporting them.
Anyways, we're quickly devolving into a horrific shithole (all western countries with "diversity") and corona is exposing the lack of social trust, as well as the decline of social capital.Replies: @Talha
I have no clue why Muslims would be panicking, plenty of us have these:
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/bidet-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage/
Peace.
Personally I don't shop at any big box stores, so I'm going off second hand accounts of the toiler paper craziness. I'm not giving WalMart any money to destroy my community and import more 3rd world non whites working below minimum wage. Funding our own replacement.Replies: @Talha
Ignore the moronic troll. And I should follow my own advice.Replies: @Talha
Surprised a bit about Malaysia (if it is a total shutdown and not partial), but they’ve already shut down the Kaaba. We’ve already got fatwas here in the US that we can use the Hanafi ruling of doing Friday prayer with only the imam (who can be anybody) and 3 adult male congregants in peoples’ homes or offices – that is if the authorities shut down the mosques.
The show must go on.
Peace.
The benefits of a homogenous nation, exhibit #1,237,401.
The show must go on.
Peace.Replies: @nebulafox
How are they going to handle the hajj?
It’s total: temporary, but total. I think the plan is to give it a week or two, see if things get better, and go from there.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/coronavirus-malaysias-mosques-advised-to-close-as-confirmed-cases-rise
Orders for mosques here in Disneyland with the Death Penalty over the past month were that everybody bring their own prayer mats, alongside the usual mandatory temperature checks and questionnaires that are also taking place outside of banks, gyms, offices, and everywhere else. But they’ve been closed until the 26th recently, too. Apparently some Singaporeans contracted the virus after attending a religious event in KL and then brought it back to the local masjids.
I’ve been bringing my own prayer sheet at the mosque for prayer also and avoiding the bathroom (in fact we have closed ours down now) and the prayer congregation is down to a limit of 30 congregants spilt between the three floors (in order to avoid the 10+ crowd rule).
Peace.Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen
Make sense. We have certain advice in the religion (particularly the hadith) regarding plague. I’m sure the Majlis al-Ulema is on top of it. A little bit of pain now will avoid MAJOR pain in Ramadan which is only about 6 weeks away. Nobody wants the mosques closed then, it will be very sad. But solitary night vigil prayers will be our succor if that does happen.
I’ve been bringing my own prayer sheet at the mosque for prayer also and avoiding the bathroom (in fact we have closed ours down now) and the prayer congregation is down to a limit of 30 congregants spilt between the three floors (in order to avoid the 10+ crowd rule).
Peace.
https://www.twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1239644633065574400
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/bidet-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage/
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Twinkie, @Yahya K.
I didn’t say Muslims specifically were hoarding toilet paper. I said “non whites” and in response to NebulaFox’s comment.
Personally I don’t shop at any big box stores, so I’m going off second hand accounts of the toiler paper craziness. I’m not giving WalMart any money to destroy my community and import more 3rd world non whites working below minimum wage. Funding our own replacement.
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
Of course.
Looks like I spoke too soon, though. I found out later on today that the government is now ordering all restaurant, bars, etc., to close as well. But the panic-buying still doesn't seem to be out of control.Replies: @Lot
“But the panic-buying still doesn’t seem to be out of control.”
Just anecdotes, and Costco which can be crazy on normal days.
I’ve been to the grocery several times, nothing sold out other than hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes. Plenty of TP, soap, canned food, etc. No crazy lines.
Americans have big houses, lots of cars, plenty of food in storage. We can handle a shutdown as well as anyone.
Also don’t agree with AE that we’ll have a financial crisis. We’ll print our way out of trouble just fine. Everyone takes dollars, and that isn’t going to change.
Personally I don't shop at any big box stores, so I'm going off second hand accounts of the toiler paper craziness. I'm not giving WalMart any money to destroy my community and import more 3rd world non whites working below minimum wage. Funding our own replacement.Replies: @Talha
Got it. Well, the bidet should certainly be considered for people looking for an option. “Bidet” is a French word after all.
Smart move…we call it BDS.
Peace.
I prefer an even simpler method: taking a shit before I shower. Especially if it's a runny one, I make sure to save it for night time and then wash my ass in the shower.
TOilet paper is a huge waste of money.Replies: @Talha
I’ve been bringing my own prayer sheet at the mosque for prayer also and avoiding the bathroom (in fact we have closed ours down now) and the prayer congregation is down to a limit of 30 congregants spilt between the three floors (in order to avoid the 10+ crowd rule).
Peace.Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen
>We have certain advice in the religion (particularly the hadith) regarding plague.
Which would make a lot of sense considering the Plague of Justinian. The Black Death gets all the headlines, but that event more than any other was a mortal blow to the world of classical antiquity-and certainly doomed any attempt from Justinian to at least partly revive the full-on Roman Empire. Although the infamous initial outbreak was obviously well before Muhammad’s time, it would have regular and nasty recurrences throughout the Mediterranean and Middle East until 750. The Arabs were not as vulnerable as the settled peoples before the conquests, because the black rats that transmitted the plague couldn’t survive out in the desert. But those with a trading background (i.e…) would have certainly known about it. Between that and the WWII of its day, hard to blame people for thinking they were living in the End Times: I certainly would have.
After the last one in 750, Constantinople was a ghost town. It would have ceased to function had not the massively underrated emperor Constantine V instituted an immediate population transfer from the European provinces of just about anybody imperial agents could scoop up: Romans, Slavs, whoever. It’s really a shame that we don’t have better historical documentation from that time period on that and other massive domestic administration projects like the reconstruction of the Aqueduct of Valens (derelict since the Persian/Slav siege of 626), because the fact that Constantinople continued on as a city had massive historical consequences, both for the future of Europe and for the future orientation of the Islamic World.
Good luck, man. Stay healthy. I’d love to chat more, but I’ve got a life to start.
1) That period was when the whole world was stuck in a Malthusian trap. Therefore, when the Black Plague wiped out a 1/3rd of Europe, it increased the average standard of living. Things like food, land and housing were shared among fewer people, leaving them with a bigger pie each.2) It also had positive effects on genetics. I found a good article in sceincemag (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/02/black-death-left-mark-human-genome) saying this:And obviously, no mainstream magazine would discuss this, but it could have had positive selective pressures on intelligence too. Who knows?Does anyone have more ideas?Replies: @Kratoklastes
If only Americans were an insect like hive mind like the Asians. Oh well, I will take messy, stubborn Americans over compliant Asians any day of the week.
https://www.twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1239644633065574400
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/bidet-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage/
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Twinkie, @Yahya K.
East Asians are big into fancy, electronic bidets, as anyone who’s been to Seoul or Tokyo can attest (they have them even in public toilets, which are often gleamingly clean).
Ignore the moronic troll. And I should follow my own advice.
Peace.Replies: @Twinkie
I'm relatively optimistic: America has gotten through tougher times before. The question is how much pain it is going to take before the wheel turns.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Mr. Rational
Things got bad enough in Detoilet that the dindus elected a White guy to straighten things out.
That won’t work for the whole USA. Before things get even a fraction as bad as Detoilet in the hinterlands, there will be death squads getting rid of criminals and the public officials who enable them. There will be firebombings of Section 8 housing and welfare offices full of browns babbling in foreign languages. Pajeet’s friend’s car will blow up one morning and Pajeet will pack up his things and head back to B’lore so it doesn’t happen to him.
And the Woke response to the backlash will be furious. But when the White cops have stood down, and the incompetent and enemy-uniformed-by-their-skins AA hires are trying to do enforcement, how far will they get before their losses force them to surrender?
Why do you think white cops would stand down? They know which side pumps up their fat pensions.
Furthermore, why do you think an army filled with Mexicans and blacks would have any problem mowing down dissidents on sight? That's fun for them.Replies: @Mr. Rational
Ignore the moronic troll. And I should follow my own advice.Replies: @Talha
Did not know this! Hope that helps keep toilet paper prices in check over there also!
Peace.
https://youtu.be/_Xnm1syPnwE
Very interesting; I had not heard of this one – thanks for the details!
Yes, the Arabs were not as susceptible to the plagues in major cities, but they definitely had some problems with contagious diseases themselves. The city of Madinah was known for this. The Prophet’s mother died from a sickness when he was six and his father also died from sickness in Madinah before he was even born. The city Arabs of Makkah had a relationship with the Bedouin Arabs; the families in the city would connect with Bedouin families that would raise their kids for the first few formative years out in the desert as nursemaids and foster parents. The Prophet (pbuh) was under the care of a foster mother for the first few years of his life. The city Arabs did this precisely to avoid their children contracting diseases that were prevalent in the city (possibly tied to the fact that Arab caravans traveled back and forth from the other Middle Eastern cities through Makkah and Madinah) at a very vulnerable age. The Bedouin Arabs would benefit by having patrons and close ties to one of the more powerful tribes.
Agreed.
You too.
Peace.
https://www.twitter.com/Abuamerican/status/1239644633065574400
https://nypost.com/2020/03/17/bidet-sales-skyrocket-amid-coronavirus-toilet-paper-shortage/
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Twinkie, @Yahya K.
Talha,
I have one too! Got it installed the day I moved out of my dorm.
It still surprises me why Westerners don’t use it. This is one of the most convenient devices on the planet! Anyway, that leaves a business opportunity for an enterprising businessman. I’m sure they’ll come around to using it once they are introduced to it. Its too good.
Have a good day.
That won't work for the whole USA. Before things get even a fraction as bad as Detoilet in the hinterlands, there will be death squads getting rid of criminals and the public officials who enable them. There will be firebombings of Section 8 housing and welfare offices full of browns babbling in foreign languages. Pajeet's friend's car will blow up one morning and Pajeet will pack up his things and head back to B'lore so it doesn't happen to him.
And the Woke response to the backlash will be furious. But when the White cops have stood down, and the incompetent and enemy-uniformed-by-their-skins AA hires are trying to do enforcement, how far will they get before their losses force them to surrender?Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Audacious Epigone
Testy mood tonight.
Why do you think white cops would stand down? They know which side pumps up their fat pensions.
Furthermore, why do you think an army filled with Mexicans and blacks would have any problem mowing down dissidents on sight? That’s fun for them.
Then there's the general stupidity. Sneaking poison into the chow hall and wiping out several hundred at a time won't be at all difficult. Do that even once and you'll have mass defections if the news gets out. That army will melt away like a snowman in a thunderstorm.
Peace.Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
Bidets are smart.
I prefer an even simpler method: taking a shit before I shower. Especially if it’s a runny one, I make sure to save it for night time and then wash my ass in the shower.
TOilet paper is a huge waste of money.
Peace.
I prefer an even simpler method: taking a shit before I shower. Especially if it's a runny one, I make sure to save it for night time and then wash my ass in the shower.
TOilet paper is a huge waste of money.Replies: @Talha
Yup.
TMI, but this…
Especially when it’s being hoarded and prices are inflated waaay beyond normal market value.
Peace.
I once heard Charlie Munger opine that “the black death was good for the survivors” here: (Time – 1:01:15.)
(By the way, I highly recommend watching the whole thing. Best talk I ever listened to. Mr. Munger is a very wise man.)
He didn’t explain why though.
Some working theories I’ve developed are as follows:
1) That period was when the whole world was stuck in a Malthusian trap. Therefore, when the Black Plague wiped out a 1/3rd of Europe, it increased the average standard of living. Things like food, land and housing were shared among fewer people, leaving them with a bigger pie each.
2) It also had positive effects on genetics. I found a good article in sceincemag (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/02/black-death-left-mark-human-genome) saying this:
And obviously, no mainstream magazine would discuss this, but it could have had positive selective pressures on intelligence too. Who knows?
Does anyone have more ideas?
Anyhow... back to my Jan 27 claim that the Plague was absolutely, clearly eugenic...
Not surprisingly, there is also quite a bit of IQ difference between the older and the younger cohorts (with the younger being much higher), about which I think Anatoly Karlin posted a while back. Also not surprisingly, the younger cohorts have lower attachments to their families and relatives (in other words, the older folks are much more "clannish"). That's what 70 years of economic development and Westernization do.
By the way, let me quote from myself from an older thread.As for this:They aren't quite there yet. But they are far more afraid of the authorities than the Japanese and the Koreans are.
I do think AE is tad too pessimistic about America. I see far more acts of kindess and mutual consideration than selfishness, but perhaps there is a selection effect (I live in a super zip) and it is early in the pandemic.Replies: @RSDB
I agree with the general point that East Asians are certainly more orderly and probably more cooperative than we are over here, but I’m not sure of the salience of the particular example. Perhaps I’m missing something?
Here in NJ I’ve moved to allow emergency vehicles to pass several times already this year, and every other car I saw did the same thing. I have lived most of my life in this state and, while I love my fellow New Jerseyans and they have many positive points, they do not seem to me to be the most cooperative bunch of people in the world. Granted none of these incidents happened in a tunnel, but there have been a number of accidents in the Lincoln Tunnel, and I haven’t heard of police or emergency vehicles being unduly held up. I went looking for information on that sort of situation and found this, which seems to assume a response team will be able to get wherever necessary.
Things aren't going back to normal Boomer 1980s America once red team gets back into power.
Our future will be hell. Better start working out how we as a people will live through it.Replies: @anon
Our future will be hell. Better start working out how we as a people will live through it.
Nebulafox is in Singapore. Not the US.
Peace.Replies: @Twinkie
Back when I used to live in York County, VA, I used to drive back and forth between it and Virginia Beach/Norfolk. Once there was an accident in the tunnel, delays of several hours was routine – one accident led to a 12-hour delay.
I never used to go much into the city that way myself, but a few years back I had to go by the entrance in Weehawken occasionally; delays to NYC could be, I think, up to about an hour or an hour and a half. Accidents could close parts of the tunnel for considerably longer than that while cleanup took place but (iirc) alternate routes usually made rerouting possible. A 12-hr delay here would be somebody's political death sentence!
Happy St. Joseph's Day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJD9_a-Y1E
1) That period was when the whole world was stuck in a Malthusian trap. Therefore, when the Black Plague wiped out a 1/3rd of Europe, it increased the average standard of living. Things like food, land and housing were shared among fewer people, leaving them with a bigger pie each.2) It also had positive effects on genetics. I found a good article in sceincemag (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/02/black-death-left-mark-human-genome) saying this:And obviously, no mainstream magazine would discuss this, but it could have had positive selective pressures on intelligence too. Who knows?Does anyone have more ideas?Replies: @Kratoklastes
I had a crack way back on January 27th regarding the eugenic impact of the Black Plague. (It absolutely, certainly led to significant changes in bargaining power for rural labour, and higher real wages persisted for over a century).
To think – this was back when covid19 had only infected 800 people: I nailed my colours to the mast (that covid19 was almost certanly a nothingburger) a few days later when I first got hold of some data (I had my suspicions already, given SARS, MERS and H1N1 manufactured-hysteria).
Since then I’ve avidly been building a better mousetrap to analyse the WHO daily data (the WHO data is kept pretty fresh on github – here ): I want laymen to be to be able to slice’n’dice to examine the data properly (rather than being spoonfed half-truths by conflicted bullshit-artists).
I’ll be releasing the GUI into the wild early next week, with a special focus on the Diamond Princess – where 75% of the 216 passengers aged 80-89 year olds tested negative.
Among the 216 80-89yo there were 29 symptomatic cases and 21 asymptomatic… and ONE death. 0.5% of the population of 80-89yos in what was considered a ‘bungled’ quarantine.
Anyhow… back to my Jan 27 claim that the Plague was absolutely, clearly eugenic…
I’ve been bringing my own prayer sheet at the mosque for prayer also and avoiding the bathroom (in fact we have closed ours down now) and the prayer congregation is down to a limit of 30 congregants spilt between the three floors (in order to avoid the 10+ crowd rule).
Peace.Replies: @nebulafox, @iffen
I’m sure the Majlis al-Ulema is on top of it.
Skype?
The airways actually belong to God as well, no?
HOWEVER - I must say, if I can somehow marry off my daughter during the crisis, I can use this crowd restriction business to my advantage!
Gives me an excuse to throw a cheap wedding in the mosque parking lot; "But, my dear daughter, you have to understand - the CDC!!! Think of the humanity! Think of the children!"
😎
Peace.
No need with the other options available.
HOWEVER – I must say, if I can somehow marry off my daughter during the crisis, I can use this crowd restriction business to my advantage!
Gives me an excuse to throw a cheap wedding in the mosque parking lot; “But, my dear daughter, you have to understand – the CDC!!! Think of the humanity! Think of the children!”
😎
Peace.
Probably one reason that the East Asian countries could ask their citizens to turn in all their weapons and they may well dutifully line up single-file to comply at the local police station whereas people like Americans would be doing the whole "from-my-cold-dead-hands" routine.
I suppose such things come with hidden costs.
On a related note; does anyone know if there is a fascination with Robin Hood, Bonnie and Clyde, Billy the Kid type figures in East Asian cultures? I am a fan of Korusawa's films, but I don't think any fit the bill. "Yojimbo" might come close, but the guy takes advantage of two criminal gangs and undermines them as a kind of rogue hero, not a heroic law-breaker type figure.
Peace.Replies: @songbird, @Twinkie, @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @AaronB, @Silva, @obwandiyag, @dfordoom
The Japanese have made a lot of yakuza movies. A lot of them are movies we don’t see much of in the West but they were huge in Japan in the 60s. Movies like Take Aim at the Police Van (which is a great movie BTW) and A Colt Is My Passport. And they made a lot of girl juvenile delinquent movies in the 70s. Movies like the Girl Boss movies. And the Female Prisoner #701 movies. So yeah, I’d say the Japanese have a bit of a thing for anti-social outsiders. But it’s mostly recycling of American pop culture with a Japanese slant.
As with American pop culture there’s Japanese mainstream pop culture and there’s an alternative pop culture most westerners are unaware of.
It’s not the Democrats. The hysteria is happening throughout the West. I think we have a culture in the West that is always poised on the verge of hysteria.
In the East Asian nations they seem to be just rolling up their sleeves and doing what needs to be done.
There’s insane panic-buying in Australia. From what I’ve heard it’s pretty bad in Britain too.
I picked up some London broil. Gonna make beef tacos tonight or tomorrow.
The so-called Dark Ages Cold Period roughly overlaps this time frame for the Plague of Justinian (“541–542 AD, with recurrences until 750”).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314130365_Dark_Ages_Cold_Period_A_literature_review_and_directions_for_future_research
AE —
Do you remember how on your blog comments I called a ‘civilizational top’ not so long ago?
Like a top of all civilization, ever?
Here we are, it seems.
A sadly agree with your analysis. Anyone who dares to suggest on social media that we don’t completely panic and shut everything down is immediately identified as the enemy on social media pumped with virtual lead on social media.
Devin Nunes suggested that if you are healthy, you can stop by your local restaurant so that they don’t go bankrupt. No, all businesses MUST go bankrupt and anyone who suggests otherwise must be stoned.
And so the sane voices are quickly taken out. I can see how the French Revolution and Communism happened. What is happening here will be a real doozy.
Given that COVID-19 may never be eradicated completely, when will businesses be allowed to open again?
Humidity matters a lot and brings great relief. I have three confirmations of severe respiratory infection cases among my circle that dramatically improved right after I demanded that the sick people humidify their homes. Two almost certainly had coronavirus given that they had struggles with breathing after returning international travel, one in Asia and one in Europe.
Already there is US confirmation as the two worst states of Washington and New York sit on the Canadian border.
Most people will be fine if they humidify! Spring promises relief! Maybe it is too late for sanity to emerge, but hope springs eternal.
Why do you think white cops would stand down? They know which side pumps up their fat pensions.
Furthermore, why do you think an army filled with Mexicans and blacks would have any problem mowing down dissidents on sight? That's fun for them.Replies: @Mr. Rational
Because after years of being told to leave dindus and beaners alone, they are not going to suddenly be filled with enthusiasm when the targets are their own neighbors, friends and family. They will slow-roll, tip off the targets and sabotage the program in a hundred other ways.
They know which side can pay their pensions, and which one is a bunch of welfare leeches.
How do you tell a dissident on sight? But a black or brown in a uniform carrying a gun—they’re obviously occupation forces. They’re not going to find it much fun when their buddies keep getting popped by partisans armed with as little as ‘scoped 10-22s, and there are tens of millions of those out there. They’re REALLY not going to find it fun when they ride around in MRAPs, and the partisans lure them into pit traps and light them on fire.
Then there’s the general stupidity. Sneaking poison into the chow hall and wiping out several hundred at a time won’t be at all difficult. Do that even once and you’ll have mass defections if the news gets out. That army will melt away like a snowman in a thunderstorm.
I sampled a couple of grocery stores yesterday. The local chain was out of chicken and turkey, less than fully-stocked on beef, and lots of other things looked pretty picked-over. The leaf lettuce appeared close to wilted. The regional chain was stocked with beef and poultry but was sold out of all yellow block cheese, and of all things, diet tonic water. The leaf lettuce looked slightly better, but not much. I didn’t check TP at either one because I already had plenty.
I picked up some London broil. Gonna make beef tacos tonight or tomorrow.
First I don’t think VP Biden will win.
Second, if he does win, there’s no guarantee that his VP would be a woman or black.
Third, I doubt he will die in office or be forced top resign — possible, unlikely.
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As of yet, I don’t think there is any evidence the current executive has cause to be removed, resign or even lose the election.
Despite the less than expected goal pursuit.
I think we should revise the perception from coronavirus is most devastating to the elderly to coronavirus is most devastating to those with certain pre-existing medical conditions, which often includes the elderly. Of the two dozen people in my state who have tested positive for the disease, the only two patients who are in serious or critical condition are a teenager and a woman in her mid-30’s.
This would be an important clarification for the millions of high school students in the US who think that school being cancelled means they can go hang out with friends at a mall or beach because they’re immune to covid 19. A girl at my son’s high school miraculously rebounded from a severe case of meningitis a couple of years ago only to have her immune system severely compromised by the illness, possibly for the rest of her life. For her, even a common cold can create a recurrence of her meningitis symptoms.
Thanks for the info.
I never used to go much into the city that way myself, but a few years back I had to go by the entrance in Weehawken occasionally; delays to NYC could be, I think, up to about an hour or an hour and a half. Accidents could close parts of the tunnel for considerably longer than that while cleanup took place but (iirc) alternate routes usually made rerouting possible. A 12-hr delay here would be somebody’s political death sentence!
Happy St. Joseph’s Day:
And if weather is a big impact, then we should see sun belt cities do better?Replies: @Audacious Epigone
No, beyond warmer, wetter air presumably being more difficult for the virus to travel in.
To my way of thinking, we need to remember that the financial is always founded on the physical. If we have outsourced all of our industrial infrastructure, if massive immigration without the required capital investments to accommodate all those new people has drained our effective developed resources, if we are just living on recycled dollars from overseas, then it could all go up in a puff of smoke and indeed, at that point, there will be no financial trick that can save us. Just as if, if you are thrown out of an airplane at 20,000 feet without a parachute, tinkering with the marginal tax rate on capital gains is not really gonna cut it. The physical always trumps the financial, in the end.
Here's one example: we no longer have the physical capability to ramp up the production of virus tests. We don't have it, it's all in China. So if we can't tell who has the coronavirus and who doesn't, there is simply no way we can control this epidemic. The 'solution' of our leaders is typical: throw crazy money at the drug companies, in 'private-public partnerships', and they will likely simply soak up all that cash charging the government $10,000 per test but not actually doing any more testing. Something like that. It's all rot, it's all corruption.
We are like a bunch of leeches, all feeding off each other, all scamming each other, but nobody actually being a primary producer. Ultimately that can't go on forever.Replies: @Lockean Proviso, @Audacious Epigone
We assume this paper wealth, claimed by twenty people simultaneously, represents a claim to real goods. We’re going to find out how wrong–and how in hindsight obvious–that all is.
I think this is working out nicely for Trump, provided the worst of this is past by the end of June. A strong economic revival in the second half of 2020, after a biological attack via the dreaded Yellow Reds will energize his base. His approval ratings are up already.
That won't work for the whole USA. Before things get even a fraction as bad as Detoilet in the hinterlands, there will be death squads getting rid of criminals and the public officials who enable them. There will be firebombings of Section 8 housing and welfare offices full of browns babbling in foreign languages. Pajeet's friend's car will blow up one morning and Pajeet will pack up his things and head back to B'lore so it doesn't happen to him.
And the Woke response to the backlash will be furious. But when the White cops have stood down, and the incompetent and enemy-uniformed-by-their-skins AA hires are trying to do enforcement, how far will they get before their losses force them to surrender?Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Audacious Epigone
There’s been nothing like that kind of response in South Africa. If the fed posting fantasy didn’t happen there, why should anyone think it would happen here?
Do you remember how on your blog comments I called a 'civilizational top' not so long ago?
Like a top of all civilization, ever?
Here we are, it seems.
A sadly agree with your analysis. Anyone who dares to suggest on social media that we don't completely panic and shut everything down is immediately identified as the enemy on social media pumped with virtual lead on social media.
Devin Nunes suggested that if you are healthy, you can stop by your local restaurant so that they don't go bankrupt. No, all businesses MUST go bankrupt and anyone who suggests otherwise must be stoned.
And so the sane voices are quickly taken out. I can see how the French Revolution and Communism happened. What is happening here will be a real doozy.
Given that COVID-19 may never be eradicated completely, when will businesses be allowed to open again?
Humidity matters a lot and brings great relief. I have three confirmations of severe respiratory infection cases among my circle that dramatically improved right after I demanded that the sick people humidify their homes. Two almost certainly had coronavirus given that they had struggles with breathing after returning international travel, one in Asia and one in Europe.
Already there is US confirmation as the two worst states of Washington and New York sit on the Canadian border.
Most people will be fine if they humidify! Spring promises relief! Maybe it is too late for sanity to emerge, but hope springs eternal.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
I do remember–and I’m on the edge of becoming a convert.