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One additional observation as the country burns is that social distancing is done. Pushing around a suburban mother taking her kids to the park is one thing; pushing around a group of vibrant youths is another. It was obvious from the onset that social distancing wouldn’t be realized in the US to anything like the extent it was in Europe, let alone Asia. Writing in mid-March, as the first stay-at-home orders were being issued:

We don’t have those things here. Large segments of the American population are going to break curfew. They’re going to ignore advisories about staying home and avoiding groups of people. Time preference is too high and social conformity too low for us to replicate East Asia, especially if this goes on for more than a week or two, as is increasingly looking like will be the case.

It was partially effective for awhile. Certain segments of the population blatantly disregarding the rules were ignored while to maintain appearances low-risk populations in low-risk environments, like the aforementioned suburban mom or college kids at the beach, were harassed and pilloried to send a message to others of their ilk that the tyranny did very much apply to them.

But the anarcho end of things became impossible to ignore when parts of several major American cities were razed and pillaged. Everyone knew no one was going to pester young black men about wearing masks and maintaining space, but everyone knew only the worst kind of deplorable would point as much out. And since no one could admit to hearing out such a deplorable, the observation could be dismissed with prejudice.

When 330 million pairs of eyes simultaneously see blatant disregard for social distancing among hordes of rioters engaging in hard felonious actions that go unpunished, though, it becomes too much for even the most compliant members of middle America. Just like that, more than two months of tsk-tsking goes up in a puff of precinct smoke.

 
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  1. Resentment of the lockdown rules and resentment of the economic costs which will become even more apparent as time goes on most certainly bolstered the riot activity and provided it with a racial diversity it otherwise may not have achieved. As is noted, the fact most rioters skated will quickly bury the social distancing, since it is mere theatre, especially outside, and since business cannot be viably operated under these absurd guidelines anyway. People won’t admit that they are tired of Soviet style waiting in long lines, but have often been afraid to admit such facts since it is considered politically incorrect to do so. As George Carlin once said, and I paraphrase, political correctness is merely fascism with good manners.

  2. And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can’t go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they’re going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    • Thanks: TomSchmidt
    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Intelligent Dasein

    As much as I dislike rioters, anarchists, and prefer law and order, I have to wonder:

    Do I blame them for rioting? Not at all. Why even bother with law and order? What is there to preserve for us? Young whites have had our nations, our prosperity, and our future ripped away from us by greedy rich people, who, as you say, outsourced and downsized and financialized. Now they are H1-Bizing. And shutting everything down. I can't even enjoy muh ethnic cuisine anymore.

    Alot of the looters and most young whites in general don't realize this. They're on the "Fuck Drumphff" idiot train. But there are much bigger factors at play.

    The USA is going down in flames with Canada not far behind. China doesn't even need to fire a shot. Demographics are destiny and greedy people of different races wrecked the USA.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Hey, welcome back to the English language! It's great to see you in top form once more! One great turn of phrase after another...

    Bartender -- a Bushmills and soda for Mr. D!

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work
     
    Who are the vague “they” here? South Korea never had a total lockdown and relied on aggressive contact tracing, testing, and quarantining to control the pandemic, but its economy still took a beating, because lockdown or not, most people wouldn’t engage in normal crowd behaviors in the midst of a pandemic.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose.
     
    A lot of looters are the usual feral gangs of young blacks and a lot of violent protesters seem to be white radical leftists or anarchists. I don’t think they are engaging in mayhem because they didn’t get to hang out with their friends or because they lost their jobs.

    Replies: @t, @Cloudbuster, @Anonymous

    , @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    >Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    I spent years in almost complete isolation. No friends. No job. Not much security. No purpose. No future. Nothing. It does psychologically impact you.

    But I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone "understand" those who would.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Jay Fink
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place."

    I loved this! There was a weekly activity I was involved with that I really enjoyed. I looked forward to it every week and it helped me get through the workweek knowing it was coming up. Not only is it gone, it won't exist during the first several phases of re-opening. My overall well being has gone down because of this.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Great comment, should have a gold box.

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. "

    Ron Unz, call your office.

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You're on fire ID: this is where you shine.

    I would urge "keep it up" but I know that you will.

    Of course the worst deprivation has been Mass, and we have learned, and will not forget, that the pope and his bishops couldn't care less, don't miss it one bit, and don't have any real desire to bring it back.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @RSDB

    , @Old Palo Altan
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Reuters:

    The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

    “In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.
    From Reuters:

    “The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.

    Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

    However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

    Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

    “We’ve got to get back to being a normal country,” he said. “Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country.”


    That final call must be insisted upon everywhere.

    , @another anon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    LOL.
    Many people were socially distancing for all their lives, long before normies came with this idea.

    They stayed in their rooms as always, away from virus, away from rioting mobs, away from normies like you.

    They have the last laugh.

    https://i.imgur.com/VjNsbH9.jpg

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  3. An ER doctor I know in the Chicago area:

    We’re about to find out if we potentially just undid nearly three months worth of isolation effort. Let’s see what happens!

    Also….pfffffshwahahahaha!!! These kinds of people are something else – seriously…LARPing at helping da’ oppress’d!!!

    “Here black man, I brought you a brick – we are so happy we could help uplift you!!!”

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Talha

    "Orwell had them sussed when he wrote :
    “Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey−fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean−mindedness which she managed to carry about with her. He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones. It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.”

    It is always the women.

    Replies: @Talha, @Rosie

    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Talha

    Proof that goodwhites have experienced a psychotic break with reality, made even more surreal by the fact both groups were driving Mercedes.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    My sympathies are entirely with the black woman in that exchange. I guess it's why I'd make a terrible white nationalist.

  4. A commenter on Sailer the other day wondered whether we’d see a spike in COVID infections in the areas where the rioting occurred. Interesting question, although to me a better one is, What should we conclude if a spike *doesn’t* occur?

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @ChrisZ

    Something like 3/4 Wuhan deaths in Ontario are people in nursing homes.

    The virus doesn't make a difference to anybody under 50. If anything the riots are good because it will increase herd immunity.

    Anyways fuck the government. Clearly it's all a bullshit narrative. The world is fake, live your life as you see fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Altai
    @ChrisZ

    A big difference is that now mask production and distribution is much greater. If you watch the footage I'd say a distinct majority, maybe 70% of people are wearing masks. And that includes the rioters. So the relative environment is a lot less conductive to spread than it would otherwise appear. Additionally after many months of social distancing, the number of spreaders in the crowd is probably very low.

  5. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    As much as I dislike rioters, anarchists, and prefer law and order, I have to wonder:

    Do I blame them for rioting? Not at all. Why even bother with law and order? What is there to preserve for us? Young whites have had our nations, our prosperity, and our future ripped away from us by greedy rich people, who, as you say, outsourced and downsized and financialized. Now they are H1-Bizing. And shutting everything down. I can’t even enjoy muh ethnic cuisine anymore.

    Alot of the looters and most young whites in general don’t realize this. They’re on the “Fuck Drumphff” idiot train. But there are much bigger factors at play.

    The USA is going down in flames with Canada not far behind. China doesn’t even need to fire a shot. Demographics are destiny and greedy people of different races wrecked the USA.

    • Replies: @JohnnyWalker123
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    What do you think of the situation of Canada vs US? Is Canada meaningfully better off in any way?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  6. @ChrisZ
    A commenter on Sailer the other day wondered whether we'd see a spike in COVID infections in the areas where the rioting occurred. Interesting question, although to me a better one is, What should we conclude if a spike *doesn't* occur?

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai

    Something like 3/4 Wuhan deaths in Ontario are people in nursing homes.

    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50. If anything the riots are good because it will increase herd immunity.

    Anyways fuck the government. Clearly it’s all a bullshit narrative. The world is fake, live your life as you see fit.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

  7. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    Hey, welcome back to the English language! It’s great to see you in top form once more! One great turn of phrase after another…

    Bartender — a Bushmills and soda for Mr. D!

  8. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @ChrisZ

    Something like 3/4 Wuhan deaths in Ontario are people in nursing homes.

    The virus doesn't make a difference to anybody under 50. If anything the riots are good because it will increase herd immunity.

    Anyways fuck the government. Clearly it's all a bullshit narrative. The world is fake, live your life as you see fit.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.

    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Twinkie

    Wow. A "friend of mine" also just died, in a tragic car crash along highway I-75. He left behind 2 kids as well who didn't understand why daddy never came home.

    Truly tragic, and only a heartless bastard would support keeping dangerous freeways open.

    "14 heartbreaking photos that make you say 'fuck having law and borders and shit'"

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Peter Akuleyev

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    I'm so sorry.

    , @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.
     
    I am very sorry to hear this. This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @SolontoCroesus, @Twinkie

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Twinkie

    And here you are, milking your friend's death for emotional manipulation value again, just like you did a few days ago.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @76239
    @Twinkie

    "A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all."

    Right, there were the people in extremely poor health battling several life threatening illnesses who died but tested positive for covid 19, so their cause of death was determined to be covid 19 and not the other co-morbidities. Further, the hospitals got paid more to determine that cause of death was covid and not some lower paid cause of death. Presto! If you died in April or May 2020, they you died of Covid 19 no matter what your underlying condition was.

    Plandemic. False flag. Just another excuse to socially control the masses much like September 11th. The press never tells the truth. Never. The ones that parrot the press's lines never know the truth either.

  9. @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

    Wow. A “friend of mine” also just died, in a tragic car crash along highway I-75. He left behind 2 kids as well who didn’t understand why daddy never came home.

    Truly tragic, and only a heartless bastard would support keeping dangerous freeways open.

    “14 heartbreaking photos that make you say ‘fuck having law and borders and shit’”

    • Agree: Lowe
    • Troll: nebulafox
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    You are a dumb animal, and I would put you down like one if you were nearby.

    , @Peter Akuleyev
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    50 years from now people will look at our current willingness to endanger our lives and those of others piloting vehicles at dangerously high speeds just to go to work or go shopping as insane.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @neutral, @UK

  10. @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

    I’m so sorry.

    • Thanks: Twinkie
  11. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work

    Who are the vague “they” here? South Korea never had a total lockdown and relied on aggressive contact tracing, testing, and quarantining to control the pandemic, but its economy still took a beating, because lockdown or not, most people wouldn’t engage in normal crowd behaviors in the midst of a pandemic.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose.

    A lot of looters are the usual feral gangs of young blacks and a lot of violent protesters seem to be white radical leftists or anarchists. I don’t think they are engaging in mayhem because they didn’t get to hang out with their friends or because they lost their jobs.

    • Replies: @t
    @Twinkie

    Not disagreeing with you

    A rough timeline for the rioting in Chicago:

    Saturday night a bunch of leftist caused a bunch of property damage and opportunists(black and white) did a bunch of looting in the central business district.

    Sunday realizing that the police were too busy downtown some blacks started looting the stores in their neighborhoods. The people doing this didn't look like gang members there were plenty of middle age black women doing it. At the same time some sophisticated criminals surgically looted high value merchandise, there were cases of U-haul being driven up to electronic stores (I don't think the people behind this are black of leftist).

    Since everything of value in black areas has been looted today blacks decided too try and loot hispanic areas the hispanic gangs fought back and the situation has devolved to the point where blacks are getting attacked just for entering hispanic areas.

    I'm sure there has been some looting of opportunity by hispanics. Chinatown has had at most some of the surgical looting.

    Replies: @Talha

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Twinkie

    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    Hunter-gatherers engaged in close social contact within the tribe. Even that has been denied to people within the lockdown in the form of forbidden church services and social gatherings.

    , @Anonymous
    @Twinkie

    South Korea is full of South Koreans. And although China needed a harsher lockdown than Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore, the average person in the PRC will behave better than the average Westerner, let alone the average Latin American or African.

    The dumber, you are, the harsher rules you need. The higher testosterone you have, the harsher rules you need. The more outgoing your personality, the harsher rules you need. The less diligence and agreeability you have, the harsher rules you need.

    Scandinavia and East Asia have tons of people with the ideal cognitive/hormonal mix: intelligent low T introverts who have high levels of diligence and agreeability. Sweden is doing almost thing about the virus and its country isn't in shambles. Japan half-assed the virus response and is doing better than Sweden.

    With Blacks, Hispanics, non-Scandinavian Caucasians, you need a Wuhanesque lockdown.

  12. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Twinkie

    Wow. A "friend of mine" also just died, in a tragic car crash along highway I-75. He left behind 2 kids as well who didn't understand why daddy never came home.

    Truly tragic, and only a heartless bastard would support keeping dangerous freeways open.

    "14 heartbreaking photos that make you say 'fuck having law and borders and shit'"

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Peter Akuleyev

    You are a dumb animal, and I would put you down like one if you were nearby.

  13. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    >Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    I spent years in almost complete isolation. No friends. No job. Not much security. No purpose. No future. Nothing. It does psychologically impact you.

    But I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone “understand” those who would.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @nebulafox


    ... I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone “understand” those who would.
     
    You couldn't understand if you tried, NF, because you are a white person. From my observations, it's the black guys that most that illustrate the Proverb "Idle hands are the Devil's workshop". All their crap about "building this country" is such BS, and you know that because people who know how much work it really takes to build things don't destroy their own stuff so readily.

    That latter goes for the antifa white pukes too. They mostly hang in the coffee shops and work(ed) at service jobs. What do they know about building anything? However, unlike with the black guys that just want to get on a TV, get those sneakers they've always wanted, and smash stuff, these anitfa types truly want to destroy the country. They are the proto-Commies, reminding me of the Commies in Weimar Republic Germany a century ago (well, I mean, I wasn't there, but ..)
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @nebulafox

    You have an internal locus of control. The rioters do not.

  14. It is being reported that those looting are organized, planned in advance and divided by neighbourhood, it’s also not “poor people” but people with good cars, it might be simply gangs or other criminals. Others are Antifa which are in the government / Soros payroll.

    There is nothing “spontaneous” about it.

    But I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations

    Well, these are people that don’t need a lot of excuses to loot and burn. They would do it with or without “social isolation”, but I think that in part yes, the previous lockdown measures exacerbated that.

    It is bizarre, but now also the film “Joker” with the riots at the end seems to be prophetic. Or perhaps, instigating. Hollywood knows a lot that we don’t.

  15. anon[312] • Disclaimer says:

    In my boring part of boring flyover we still have some Coofid temporary regs in place. The girls that sell coffee to me through the window of the local java pit are wearing stylish masks. The old people at the post office ditto. The middle aged people at the grocery store, plus the checkers, ditto. Sorta kinda social distance maintained, but nobody gets worked up if a shopper goes The Wrong Way down an aisle.

    The local campus is closed, so some of the skateboarders are taking advantage of sloping sidewalks with no pedestrians. Inline skaters too. None of them are wearing masks. But y’know? No one frets. Probably because locally not many Coof cases.

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    • Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read
    @anon

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    I wrote too soon. Last night there was a half-baked try at a demonstration/ disturbance downtown in Flyoverstan, there wasn't much to it. However I have a confirmed report of a pallet of bricks dropped off by unknown persons. There's no construction going on, no renovation that would require pavers or cinderblocks, and nobody seems to know where they came from.

    This is not a big city. Yet a person or persons unknown pre-positioned a pallet of bricks that nobody ordered or wanted, in nowheresville, for pretty obvious reasons.

    If the US had a functioning intel agency that worked for US it would not be difficult to find out who's been dropping off pallets of bricks around the country, because there's always some sort of trail, paper and otherwise.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @SFG
    @anon

    It's a lot easier to social distance in 'flyover country', because the distances are so much greater.

    New York was always going to get hit hard.

    Replies: @iffen

  16. t says:
    @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work
     
    Who are the vague “they” here? South Korea never had a total lockdown and relied on aggressive contact tracing, testing, and quarantining to control the pandemic, but its economy still took a beating, because lockdown or not, most people wouldn’t engage in normal crowd behaviors in the midst of a pandemic.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose.
     
    A lot of looters are the usual feral gangs of young blacks and a lot of violent protesters seem to be white radical leftists or anarchists. I don’t think they are engaging in mayhem because they didn’t get to hang out with their friends or because they lost their jobs.

    Replies: @t, @Cloudbuster, @Anonymous

    Not disagreeing with you

    A rough timeline for the rioting in Chicago:

    Saturday night a bunch of leftist caused a bunch of property damage and opportunists(black and white) did a bunch of looting in the central business district.

    Sunday realizing that the police were too busy downtown some blacks started looting the stores in their neighborhoods. The people doing this didn’t look like gang members there were plenty of middle age black women doing it. At the same time some sophisticated criminals surgically looted high value merchandise, there were cases of U-haul being driven up to electronic stores (I don’t think the people behind this are black of leftist).

    Since everything of value in black areas has been looted today blacks decided too try and loot hispanic areas the hispanic gangs fought back and the situation has devolved to the point where blacks are getting attacked just for entering hispanic areas.

    I’m sure there has been some looting of opportunity by hispanics. Chinatown has had at most some of the surgical looting.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @t

    If you are in Chicago - stay safe man. I'm monitoring the situation; our family is not in the place of the unrest, but it's not all that far away either.

    Peace.

    Replies: @t

  17. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    “Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.”

    I loved this! There was a weekly activity I was involved with that I really enjoyed. I looked forward to it every week and it helped me get through the workweek knowing it was coming up. Not only is it gone, it won’t exist during the first several phases of re-opening. My overall well being has gone down because of this.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @dfordoom, @128

  18. @Jay Fink
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place."

    I loved this! There was a weekly activity I was involved with that I really enjoyed. I looked forward to it every week and it helped me get through the workweek knowing it was coming up. Not only is it gone, it won't exist during the first several phases of re-opening. My overall well being has gone down because of this.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Everything fun and exciting and magical

    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Twinkie

    I'm guessing you don't have much of "a life"!

    , @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.
     
    Yeah, agreed.

    Some people are carrying on as if social distancing was the worst thing that ever happened in history, ever. It's just silly. Social distancing was a pain the ass but it wasn't that bad. It was an inconvenience. People these days seem to react to minor inconveniences like they're the end of the world.

    I didn't enjoy the social distancing but if you approach things in a positive frame of mind inconveniences can be endured. I got to read a lot more books. That was a good thing. I spent a lot of time watching old movies. That was a good thing. I actually cooked dinner one night. Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave. It's not something I'd make a habit of but it was kind of fun.

    People here grumbled a bit but they survived. I don't know of anyone who blew his brains out because he couldn't go to his favourite ethnic restaurant for a few weeks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational

    , @128
    @Twinkie

    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Toronto Russian

  19. First the scamdemic and then the insurrection. It appears that Orange Man is bringing the hammer down on the later. Antifa has finally become visible complete with it’s connections to Academia and the DNC. Biden is now the Antifa candidate. If, and it is a big if, Antifa goes to prison then Orange Man deserves the credit. The virus is still there but the virus narrative is now obsolete. So far so good. Too bad the Empire/Dollar is dying as we speak and we have already entered an economic depression.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-06-01/amerikan-gulag

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    @WorkingClass

    It is always good to ask "who benefits" from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?

    Since I am one of the "believers" in the reality of the CV, I believe there will be a second wave, and these riots were designed to guarantee it is severe.

    Who would benefit from a ferocious second wave?

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

  20. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Twinkie

    Wow. A "friend of mine" also just died, in a tragic car crash along highway I-75. He left behind 2 kids as well who didn't understand why daddy never came home.

    Truly tragic, and only a heartless bastard would support keeping dangerous freeways open.

    "14 heartbreaking photos that make you say 'fuck having law and borders and shit'"

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Peter Akuleyev

    50 years from now people will look at our current willingness to endanger our lives and those of others piloting vehicles at dangerously high speeds just to go to work or go shopping as insane.

    • Agree: 76239, Rosie
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nah, those people will be too busy scurrying around under the bushes trying to find food while avoiding the AI threat to have any time to learn what it was like to be a free-born man.

    Replies: @Lowe

    , @neutral
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Explain to me how a world in 50 years overrun by sub Saharans will not be like all those countries in sub Saharan Africa?

    , @UK
    @Peter Akuleyev

    If or when restaurants re-open in your area, I have a challenge for you.

    I must also first add the sympathetic note that I am aware that it will be a mighty trial of more than Herculean proportions, but I think you should still try.

    First, pick a restaurant you've never been to before. Then make your reservation.

    Finally, go and actually get all of the way to being seated before you ever look up the menu online or find out specifics about what they serve!

    I know it will require that you steel yourself to an almost unimaginable degree but tales of your courage in the face of such freedom will still be whispered quietly around the Netflix screens of 2050 as people stay in their homes and wonder what life was actually like.

  21. @Peter Akuleyev
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    50 years from now people will look at our current willingness to endanger our lives and those of others piloting vehicles at dangerously high speeds just to go to work or go shopping as insane.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @neutral, @UK

    Nah, those people will be too busy scurrying around under the bushes trying to find food while avoiding the AI threat to have any time to learn what it was like to be a free-born man.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @The Alarmist

    There will never be an AI threat, since only white people could build such a thing.

    If people are scurrying in bushes looking for food, in the future, it won't be because of Skynet, but because the economic dark age turned out to be worse than expected.

  22. @Talha
    An ER doctor I know in the Chicago area:
    https://twitter.com/aasim_padela/status/1267277180796571650

    We're about to find out if we potentially just undid nearly three months worth of isolation effort. Let's see what happens!

    Also....pfffffshwahahahaha!!! These kinds of people are something else - seriously...LARPing at helping da' oppress'd!!!
    https://twitter.com/joshlecash/status/1267611553005621249

    "Here black man, I brought you a brick - we are so happy we could help uplift you!!!"
    https://twitter.com/redwins3_first/status/1267374064231948288

    Peace.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    “Orwell had them sussed when he wrote :
    “Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey−fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean−mindedness which she managed to carry about with her. He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones. It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.”

    It is always the women.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Bill Jones


    He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones.
     
    Young, blonde and completely clueless as to repercussions:
    https://www.twitter.com/RachelTortorici/status/1266914665612881926

    The look on her face says; I have no clue why I did what I did, why I’m here or why you are mad at me.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon, @SFG

    , @Rosie
    @Bill Jones


    It is always the women.
     
    Yes, even when it's the men. Any small part women play in a totalitarian regime established entirely by men is always exaggerated by woman-haters.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  23. @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

    a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    I am very sorry to hear this. This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.

    • Thanks: Twinkie
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Johann Ricke

    "This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time."

    The raw total number of weekly deaths from the CDC show the total lower this year than last.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    @Johann Ricke

    How about all of the people who still insist on dying of heart disease, about 650,000/year, so about 270,000 so for for 2020,

    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, "You have cancer." If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.

    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry and medical treatment and second-guessing about medical treatment and pain and financial strain due to medical costs and employment sand-bagged because you're sick.

    Covid is just the shamdemic that has sucked all the oxygen out of the air and all the humanity out of nearly every facet of life.
    Freud wrote in Civilization and Its Discontents that humans needed work, and sex, and companionship to sublimate the animal tendencies of the Id, and moderate the aggressiveness of the Superego. Absent those humanizing elements and left to himself, it would take a supremely abnormal human not to go mad and for society not to disintegrate.
    I think that is the plan; Freud is in charge.

    Covid has done something much much worse to the entire medical profession: it has eroded, perhaps forever, the key ingredient in delivering medical service: Trust.

    Any sick person who goes into a hospital or medical center -- and only Sick people do so; signs big as billboards say, NO VISITORS -- the first thing a sick person sees upon approaching / entering a medical center is Praise for Our Heroes!

    The nurse, the doctor, the receptionist who gets bored to tears filing her nails -- they are now the center of attention at the place where you go because you hurt, or your body is failing you. Be sure to acknowledge how Heroic it is for those persons that you are trusting, and paying! to heal you, to deign to do so.
    Crotchety and ungrateful?
    Damn right.
    I'm not here for a party, I'm here because I hurt, and I'm scared.

    The next thing you encounter is the demand to Stand on that Line! Answer these questions! Sanitize your hands! Put on this mask! Stand there while I take your temperature! Put this band on so we can keep track of you! Now you may proceed to the next check-in station where you will answer the same questions all over again.

    Medical people who come in contact with you to treat you will be wearing industrial respirators.
    (You will not come in actual contact with actual physicians: they will communicate by phone or teleconference. Even the surgeon.)
    It's very hard to hear what they are saying, what they are telling you, what they are explaining that they are going to do to you. It's almost as hard for them to hear you mumbling through the snot-filled paper mask. You try to smile with your eyes but nobody's looking.
    Medicine is no longer a human-to-human interaction: take off your clothes. Put your head in the tube; put your arm through the slot. STAY STILL! A mechanical voice tells you when you can breathe.

    In some areas, all lower-level medical personnel, from nurses to nursing assistants to lab worker, X ray tech, CatScan tech, and a majority of the physicians, surgeons and specialists --all of them are from some other place; none of them look like you, plenty of them don't speak your language.

    One medical center has exclusively Blacks controlling the entrance, the labs, the pharmacy, the treatment areas.
    Use your imagination: It's today. Black Lives Matter, but All Lives Matter can get you beat to a pulp.
    You need someone to insert a catheter, or manage a prostate exam. You're white she's black and she hates you.

    What makes it even more surreal is that there's construction going on just across the way, where the cancer wing is being expanded, or some philanthropist is underwriting a center for sports medicine. The tall cranes are swinging, the earth moving machines roaring. Fences around the construction site boast happy banners showing couples cuddling or groups jogging or just a few people sitting around a table drinking coffee or heads together over a jigsaw puzzle. Legends declare, "This is what community looks like!" "Better together!"

    Not anymore.

    Something.
    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Intelligent Dasein

    , @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    I really appreciate the sentiment. I've been alternating among being sad, angry, and in denial.

    I told my wife the other day that I feel like he didn't really die. I wasn't able to be his bedside due to the current restrictions. I felt like this was just a bad dream and, in a few weeks, he and I could go out and have a drink and talk about his stupid hospitalization experience.

    Then I realize he's gone and I get angry, to be frank. At God mostly. I'd like to think that He has some unknowable plan about all this, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

    Most of the time, I am just sad about it and think of his kids.

    I wasn't terribly affected when my father passed away or when my oldest uncle did. But it's a pretty big blow every time a friend dies. I guess it's because they are the people I chose to love.

    Anyway, thanks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

  24. @Peter Akuleyev
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    50 years from now people will look at our current willingness to endanger our lives and those of others piloting vehicles at dangerously high speeds just to go to work or go shopping as insane.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @neutral, @UK

    Explain to me how a world in 50 years overrun by sub Saharans will not be like all those countries in sub Saharan Africa?

  25. @Bill Jones
    @Talha

    "Orwell had them sussed when he wrote :
    “Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey−fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean−mindedness which she managed to carry about with her. He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones. It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.”

    It is always the women.

    Replies: @Talha, @Rosie

    He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones.

    Young, blonde and completely clueless as to repercussions:

    The look on her face says; I have no clue why I did what I did, why I’m here or why you are mad at me.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Talha

    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally). Her friend is acting like the babysitter ushering her around and has a level-headed "oh, here we go again" body language. And the chick herself, like you say, has a really flat and not-all-there affect.

    A conformist girl like that, in her normal state of mind would be socially cognizant that no property damage is being undertaken by this group, and too apprehensive to be the first one to do it. Bizarre behavior.

    Replies: @Talha, @The Wild Geese Howard

    , @SFG
    @Talha

    I love (sarcastic) how she has fists in every color but white.

    No country for white men, indeed.

    Replies: @Talha

  26. UK says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    50 years from now people will look at our current willingness to endanger our lives and those of others piloting vehicles at dangerously high speeds just to go to work or go shopping as insane.

    Replies: @The Alarmist, @neutral, @UK

    If or when restaurants re-open in your area, I have a challenge for you.

    I must also first add the sympathetic note that I am aware that it will be a mighty trial of more than Herculean proportions, but I think you should still try.

    First, pick a restaurant you’ve never been to before. Then make your reservation.

    Finally, go and actually get all of the way to being seated before you ever look up the menu online or find out specifics about what they serve!

    I know it will require that you steel yourself to an almost unimaginable degree but tales of your courage in the face of such freedom will still be whispered quietly around the Netflix screens of 2050 as people stay in their homes and wonder what life was actually like.

  27. COVID was a serious threat, to the elderly. The threat was used as a pretext for the lockdowns, which were a political/economic attack, i.e. warfare. The riots, another war move.

    Most likely, no COVID spike, but if there is one, then wow, they can pivot right back to lockdowns.

    Heads they win, tails you lose.

    A crazy game is developing between the blue state/city governments and the police.

    The mayor needs the physical authority of the cops cause otherwise the rioters will bash in his head with a 2×4. But the cops need the political authority of the mayor because otherwise their pensions are toast. So when the mayor says, you have to protect me, but you aren’t allowed to protect yourselves… what happens? How long are the cops going to keep letting themselves get run over, shot, burned, etc etc.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    @Not My Economy

    Ah, the dilemma facing the Filth, protect their physical selves or their financial selves. Decisions, decisions...

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Not My Economy

    Local solutions for local problems. The military should stay out. It is in middle America's best interest that it does.

  28. Altai [AKA "Altai_2"] says:
    @ChrisZ
    A commenter on Sailer the other day wondered whether we'd see a spike in COVID infections in the areas where the rioting occurred. Interesting question, although to me a better one is, What should we conclude if a spike *doesn't* occur?

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @Altai

    A big difference is that now mask production and distribution is much greater. If you watch the footage I’d say a distinct majority, maybe 70% of people are wearing masks. And that includes the rioters. So the relative environment is a lot less conductive to spread than it would otherwise appear. Additionally after many months of social distancing, the number of spreaders in the crowd is probably very low.

  29. @anon
    In my boring part of boring flyover we still have some Coofid temporary regs in place. The girls that sell coffee to me through the window of the local java pit are wearing stylish masks. The old people at the post office ditto. The middle aged people at the grocery store, plus the checkers, ditto. Sorta kinda social distance maintained, but nobody gets worked up if a shopper goes The Wrong Way down an aisle.

    The local campus is closed, so some of the skateboarders are taking advantage of sloping sidewalks with no pedestrians. Inline skaters too. None of them are wearing masks. But y'know? No one frets. Probably because locally not many Coof cases.

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read, @SFG

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    I wrote too soon. Last night there was a half-baked try at a demonstration/ disturbance downtown in Flyoverstan, there wasn’t much to it. However I have a confirmed report of a pallet of bricks dropped off by unknown persons. There’s no construction going on, no renovation that would require pavers or cinderblocks, and nobody seems to know where they came from.

    This is not a big city. Yet a person or persons unknown pre-positioned a pallet of bricks that nobody ordered or wanted, in nowheresville, for pretty obvious reasons.

    If the US had a functioning intel agency that worked for US it would not be difficult to find out who’s been dropping off pallets of bricks around the country, because there’s always some sort of trail, paper and otherwise.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Too Long Didn't Read

    Use this handle instead of an anonymous one and your comments will auto-approve!

  30. @t
    @Twinkie

    Not disagreeing with you

    A rough timeline for the rioting in Chicago:

    Saturday night a bunch of leftist caused a bunch of property damage and opportunists(black and white) did a bunch of looting in the central business district.

    Sunday realizing that the police were too busy downtown some blacks started looting the stores in their neighborhoods. The people doing this didn't look like gang members there were plenty of middle age black women doing it. At the same time some sophisticated criminals surgically looted high value merchandise, there were cases of U-haul being driven up to electronic stores (I don't think the people behind this are black of leftist).

    Since everything of value in black areas has been looted today blacks decided too try and loot hispanic areas the hispanic gangs fought back and the situation has devolved to the point where blacks are getting attacked just for entering hispanic areas.

    I'm sure there has been some looting of opportunity by hispanics. Chinatown has had at most some of the surgical looting.

    Replies: @Talha

    If you are in Chicago – stay safe man. I’m monitoring the situation; our family is not in the place of the unrest, but it’s not all that far away either.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @t
    @Talha

    Thanks, I'm fine there have been a few surgical smash and grab jobs near my but nothing worse.

    The almost all hispanic town of Cicero tweeted this out

    https://twitter.com/TOCPolice/status/1267905511283982339

  31. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.
     
    I am very sorry to hear this. This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @SolontoCroesus, @Twinkie

    “This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.”

    The raw total number of weekly deaths from the CDC show the total lower this year than last.

  32. @The Alarmist
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Nah, those people will be too busy scurrying around under the bushes trying to find food while avoiding the AI threat to have any time to learn what it was like to be a free-born man.

    Replies: @Lowe

    There will never be an AI threat, since only white people could build such a thing.

    If people are scurrying in bushes looking for food, in the future, it won’t be because of Skynet, but because the economic dark age turned out to be worse than expected.

    • Agree: Hemid
  33. @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work
     
    Who are the vague “they” here? South Korea never had a total lockdown and relied on aggressive contact tracing, testing, and quarantining to control the pandemic, but its economy still took a beating, because lockdown or not, most people wouldn’t engage in normal crowd behaviors in the midst of a pandemic.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose.
     
    A lot of looters are the usual feral gangs of young blacks and a lot of violent protesters seem to be white radical leftists or anarchists. I don’t think they are engaging in mayhem because they didn’t get to hang out with their friends or because they lost their jobs.

    Replies: @t, @Cloudbuster, @Anonymous

    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    Hunter-gatherers engaged in close social contact within the tribe. Even that has been denied to people within the lockdown in the form of forbidden church services and social gatherings.

  34. @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @dfordoom, @128

    I’m guessing you don’t have much of “a life”!

  35. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    Great comment, should have a gold box.

  36. @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

    And here you are, milking your friend’s death for emotional manipulation value again, just like you did a few days ago.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Cloudbuster

    Piss off. You are an asshole.

    Replies: @iffen

  37. @Talha
    An ER doctor I know in the Chicago area:
    https://twitter.com/aasim_padela/status/1267277180796571650

    We're about to find out if we potentially just undid nearly three months worth of isolation effort. Let's see what happens!

    Also....pfffffshwahahahaha!!! These kinds of people are something else - seriously...LARPing at helping da' oppress'd!!!
    https://twitter.com/joshlecash/status/1267611553005621249

    "Here black man, I brought you a brick - we are so happy we could help uplift you!!!"
    https://twitter.com/redwins3_first/status/1267374064231948288

    Peace.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    Proof that goodwhites have experienced a psychotic break with reality, made even more surreal by the fact both groups were driving Mercedes.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    "I feel so good about myself, don't you guys?? Let's get out of here and go back to our neighborhood Starbucks and grab some lattés!!! All the Starbucks around here seem to have had bricks thrown through their windows...what's up with that??!!"

    Peace.

  38. @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @dfordoom, @128

    Everything fun and exciting and magical

    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    Yeah, agreed.

    Some people are carrying on as if social distancing was the worst thing that ever happened in history, ever. It’s just silly. Social distancing was a pain the ass but it wasn’t that bad. It was an inconvenience. People these days seem to react to minor inconveniences like they’re the end of the world.

    I didn’t enjoy the social distancing but if you approach things in a positive frame of mind inconveniences can be endured. I got to read a lot more books. That was a good thing. I spent a lot of time watching old movies. That was a good thing. I actually cooked dinner one night. Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave. It’s not something I’d make a habit of but it was kind of fun.

    People here grumbled a bit but they survived. I don’t know of anyone who blew his brains out because he couldn’t go to his favourite ethnic restaurant for a few weeks.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Personal story, my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation - basically the only thing she has going for her. She was already kind of a fragile person. My wife's family had to convince her to check into a clinic where they monitored her for a few days and have put her on some psychiatric drugs) until she made demands to leave. She is still suicidal (we are hoping the drugs start kicking in and her younger sister has moved in with her for the time being to basically monitor her for suicide watch).

    My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Mr. Rational
    @dfordoom


    Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave.
     
    Man, are you ever missing out.  Steak, chicken, casseroles, Mexican-flavored stuff... I've been having a blast in the kitchen.  But I was prepared for something like this.
  39. @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    >Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    I spent years in almost complete isolation. No friends. No job. Not much security. No purpose. No future. Nothing. It does psychologically impact you.

    But I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone "understand" those who would.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Audacious Epigone

    … I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone “understand” those who would.

    You couldn’t understand if you tried, NF, because you are a white person. From my observations, it’s the black guys that most that illustrate the Proverb “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop”. All their crap about “building this country” is such BS, and you know that because people who know how much work it really takes to build things don’t destroy their own stuff so readily.

    That latter goes for the antifa white pukes too. They mostly hang in the coffee shops and work(ed) at service jobs. What do they know about building anything? However, unlike with the black guys that just want to get on a TV, get those sneakers they’ve always wanted, and smash stuff, these anitfa types truly want to destroy the country. They are the proto-Commies, reminding me of the Commies in Weimar Republic Germany a century ago (well, I mean, I wasn’t there, but ..)

    • Thanks: Corporal Punishment
  40. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Talha

    Proof that goodwhites have experienced a psychotic break with reality, made even more surreal by the fact both groups were driving Mercedes.

    Replies: @Talha

    “I feel so good about myself, don’t you guys?? Let’s get out of here and go back to our neighborhood Starbucks and grab some lattés!!! All the Starbucks around here seem to have had bricks thrown through their windows…what’s up with that??!!”

    Peace.

  41. @Cloudbuster
    @Twinkie

    And here you are, milking your friend's death for emotional manipulation value again, just like you did a few days ago.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Piss off. You are an asshole.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Well, I'm certainly not going to countenance your critiques of my lowbrow comments anymore.

  42. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.
     
    Yeah, agreed.

    Some people are carrying on as if social distancing was the worst thing that ever happened in history, ever. It's just silly. Social distancing was a pain the ass but it wasn't that bad. It was an inconvenience. People these days seem to react to minor inconveniences like they're the end of the world.

    I didn't enjoy the social distancing but if you approach things in a positive frame of mind inconveniences can be endured. I got to read a lot more books. That was a good thing. I spent a lot of time watching old movies. That was a good thing. I actually cooked dinner one night. Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave. It's not something I'd make a habit of but it was kind of fun.

    People here grumbled a bit but they survived. I don't know of anyone who blew his brains out because he couldn't go to his favourite ethnic restaurant for a few weeks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational

    Personal story, my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation – basically the only thing she has going for her. She was already kind of a fragile person. My wife’s family had to convince her to check into a clinic where they monitored her for a few days and have put her on some psychiatric drugs) until she made demands to leave. She is still suicidal (we are hoping the drugs start kicking in and her younger sister has moved in with her for the time being to basically monitor her for suicide watch).

    My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Talha


    my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation – basically the only thing she has going for her.
     
    Job worries are a different matter. The economic damage is a real concern.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Talha

    "My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this."

    Yes. A couple of years ago there was a piece in the Guardian about middle-aged renters in London - basically the Bridget Joneses who'd not got that great job, not found that great guy - and were 45-50, childless, poor and single, in a town where youth or wealth or fame are everything (in the white world). What some people cruelly but accurately call "leftovers".

    Although I couldn't but feel it served them right, there were some very sad people in the comments. God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.

    Replies: @Talha

  43. @Twinkie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    The virus doesn’t make a difference to anybody under 50.
     
    I know you are a lonely, angry, alienated, juvenile dumb shit from Canada who likes to spout nonsense here, but a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.

    A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @nebulafox, @Johann Ricke, @Cloudbuster, @76239

    “A large fraction of those who died from the virus are elderly, but not all.”

    Right, there were the people in extremely poor health battling several life threatening illnesses who died but tested positive for covid 19, so their cause of death was determined to be covid 19 and not the other co-morbidities. Further, the hospitals got paid more to determine that cause of death was covid and not some lower paid cause of death. Presto! If you died in April or May 2020, they you died of Covid 19 no matter what your underlying condition was.

    Plandemic. False flag. Just another excuse to socially control the masses much like September 11th. The press never tells the truth. Never. The ones that parrot the press’s lines never know the truth either.

  44. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    @Bill Jones


    He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones.
     
    Young, blonde and completely clueless as to repercussions:
    https://www.twitter.com/RachelTortorici/status/1266914665612881926

    The look on her face says; I have no clue why I did what I did, why I’m here or why you are mad at me.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon, @SFG

    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally). Her friend is acting like the babysitter ushering her around and has a level-headed “oh, here we go again” body language. And the chick herself, like you say, has a really flat and not-all-there affect.

    A conformist girl like that, in her normal state of mind would be socially cognizant that no property damage is being undertaken by this group, and too apprehensive to be the first one to do it. Bizarre behavior.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @anon


    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally).
     
    Very possible. I'd imagine recreational drugs are fairly common among those types of folks.

    Peace.
    , @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anon

    She's probably angling for some vibrant phone numbers and thought that was a good way to build street cred with them.

    Replies: @anon

  45. How severe is the risk created by non-distancing, chanting rioters and protesters? Here in S. California, that epidemiology/virology question was answered by the Public Health Director, “Doctor” Barbara Ferrer. (Ph.D in social welfare, Brandeis): The $450K (her annual compensation) answer: “A lotta risk.” Setting aside the fact that this is non-quantitative, the term “lotta” is worrying. When high-ranking public officials speak with uptalk, yuh-knows, and so on, I am inclined to ask myself “If that, what else?” I try not to pedantic, but it worries me.

  46. @anon
    @Talha

    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally). Her friend is acting like the babysitter ushering her around and has a level-headed "oh, here we go again" body language. And the chick herself, like you say, has a really flat and not-all-there affect.

    A conformist girl like that, in her normal state of mind would be socially cognizant that no property damage is being undertaken by this group, and too apprehensive to be the first one to do it. Bizarre behavior.

    Replies: @Talha, @The Wild Geese Howard

    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally).

    Very possible. I’d imagine recreational drugs are fairly common among those types of folks.

    Peace.

  47. @Not My Economy
    COVID was a serious threat, to the elderly. The threat was used as a pretext for the lockdowns, which were a political/economic attack, i.e. warfare. The riots, another war move.

    Most likely, no COVID spike, but if there is one, then wow, they can pivot right back to lockdowns.

    Heads they win, tails you lose.

    A crazy game is developing between the blue state/city governments and the police.

    The mayor needs the physical authority of the cops cause otherwise the rioters will bash in his head with a 2x4. But the cops need the political authority of the mayor because otherwise their pensions are toast. So when the mayor says, you have to protect me, but you aren't allowed to protect yourselves... what happens? How long are the cops going to keep letting themselves get run over, shot, burned, etc etc.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Audacious Epigone

    Ah, the dilemma facing the Filth, protect their physical selves or their financial selves. Decisions, decisions…

  48. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Personal story, my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation - basically the only thing she has going for her. She was already kind of a fragile person. My wife's family had to convince her to check into a clinic where they monitored her for a few days and have put her on some psychiatric drugs) until she made demands to leave. She is still suicidal (we are hoping the drugs start kicking in and her younger sister has moved in with her for the time being to basically monitor her for suicide watch).

    My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @YetAnotherAnon

    my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation – basically the only thing she has going for her.

    Job worries are a different matter. The economic damage is a real concern.

    • Agree: Talha
  49. @Talha
    @t

    If you are in Chicago - stay safe man. I'm monitoring the situation; our family is not in the place of the unrest, but it's not all that far away either.

    Peace.

    Replies: @t

    Thanks, I’m fine there have been a few surgical smash and grab jobs near my but nothing worse.

    The almost all hispanic town of Cicero tweeted this out

    https://twitter.com/TOCPolice/status/1267905511283982339

    • Thanks: Talha
  50. @Talha
    @dfordoom

    Personal story, my older sister-in-law (the one who is non-Muslim, middle-aged and divorced and no kids) had a complete nervous breakdown unfortunately and was becoming suicidal due to the lock down and worries about her job situation - basically the only thing she has going for her. She was already kind of a fragile person. My wife's family had to convince her to check into a clinic where they monitored her for a few days and have put her on some psychiatric drugs) until she made demands to leave. She is still suicidal (we are hoping the drugs start kicking in and her younger sister has moved in with her for the time being to basically monitor her for suicide watch).

    My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this.

    Peace.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @YetAnotherAnon

    “My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this.”

    Yes. A couple of years ago there was a piece in the Guardian about middle-aged renters in London – basically the Bridget Joneses who’d not got that great job, not found that great guy – and were 45-50, childless, poor and single, in a town where youth or wealth or fame are everything (in the white world). What some people cruelly but accurately call “leftovers“.

    Although I couldn’t but feel it served them right, there were some very sad people in the comments. God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @YetAnotherAnon


    God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.
     
    Yeah - it's sad. It's really a kind of mental powder keg. Being alone with one's thoughts and nobody around to talk to except through a screen. Eventually all the reruns of Friends and Gilmore Girls run out and then what?

    Peace.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  51. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Talha

    "My guess is that there are a LOT of single, middle-aged women that live alone are going to be in similar circumstances and that psychiatric drug prescriptions will increase significantly in the wake of this."

    Yes. A couple of years ago there was a piece in the Guardian about middle-aged renters in London - basically the Bridget Joneses who'd not got that great job, not found that great guy - and were 45-50, childless, poor and single, in a town where youth or wealth or fame are everything (in the white world). What some people cruelly but accurately call "leftovers".

    Although I couldn't but feel it served them right, there were some very sad people in the comments. God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.

    Replies: @Talha

    God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.

    Yeah – it’s sad. It’s really a kind of mental powder keg. Being alone with one’s thoughts and nobody around to talk to except through a screen. Eventually all the reruns of Friends and Gilmore Girls run out and then what?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Talha

    Actually they're probably retweeting BLM talking points and cursing Trump, so sod 'em.

  52. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    Makes you wonder how humanity survived thousands years of existing as hunter-gatherer bands and later pastoralists. Urban existence which you seem to hold as integral to humans has a relatively recent history.

    They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work
     
    Who are the vague “they” here? South Korea never had a total lockdown and relied on aggressive contact tracing, testing, and quarantining to control the pandemic, but its economy still took a beating, because lockdown or not, most people wouldn’t engage in normal crowd behaviors in the midst of a pandemic.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose.
     
    A lot of looters are the usual feral gangs of young blacks and a lot of violent protesters seem to be white radical leftists or anarchists. I don’t think they are engaging in mayhem because they didn’t get to hang out with their friends or because they lost their jobs.

    Replies: @t, @Cloudbuster, @Anonymous

    South Korea is full of South Koreans. And although China needed a harsher lockdown than Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore, the average person in the PRC will behave better than the average Westerner, let alone the average Latin American or African.

    The dumber, you are, the harsher rules you need. The higher testosterone you have, the harsher rules you need. The more outgoing your personality, the harsher rules you need. The less diligence and agreeability you have, the harsher rules you need.

    Scandinavia and East Asia have tons of people with the ideal cognitive/hormonal mix: intelligent low T introverts who have high levels of diligence and agreeability. Sweden is doing almost thing about the virus and its country isn’t in shambles. Japan half-assed the virus response and is doing better than Sweden.

    With Blacks, Hispanics, non-Scandinavian Caucasians, you need a Wuhanesque lockdown.

  53. Glorifying Violence

    • Replies: @anon
    @216

    Do you submit these observations to Twitter, or just comment here?

    If you are submitting complaints to Twitter, do you ever get a response ?

    , @SFG
    @216

    This will probably help Trump, don't you think?

  54. Wondering what antifas membership numbers really are? 5,000, 10,000?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Anon

    Much higher than that. From a Harvard-Harris poll earlier this year, we extrapolated nationwide numbers based on self-identifications. The 'fringe' figures are as follows:

    Democratic Socialist — 8.1% (20.6 million)
    Libertarian — 7.0% (17.8 million)
    Alt-Right — 2.2% (5.6 million)
    Antifa — 1.2% (3.0 million)

  55. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    “The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. ”

    Ron Unz, call your office.

  56. @Twinkie
    @Cloudbuster

    Piss off. You are an asshole.

    Replies: @iffen

    Well, I’m certainly not going to countenance your critiques of my lowbrow comments anymore.

  57. @anon
    @Talha

    I think that chick is tripping on something (literally). Her friend is acting like the babysitter ushering her around and has a level-headed "oh, here we go again" body language. And the chick herself, like you say, has a really flat and not-all-there affect.

    A conformist girl like that, in her normal state of mind would be socially cognizant that no property damage is being undertaken by this group, and too apprehensive to be the first one to do it. Bizarre behavior.

    Replies: @Talha, @The Wild Geese Howard

    She’s probably angling for some vibrant phone numbers and thought that was a good way to build street cred with them.

    • Replies: @anon
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    They look like rich sorority girls. From what I've seen, that type is decidedly not into mud sharking (of course this was in the South). Would be low status. It's the low self-esteem types seeking validation as well as members of lower socio-economic brackets that go that route.

    Anyway, college girls that attractive aren't on the hunt for the dates. FFS, they basically get a lifetime's supply of overtures on a weekly basis. Along with the drug adventure, I think they were probably doing it for the funzies and to post onto social media.

  58. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    You’re on fire ID: this is where you shine.

    I would urge “keep it up” but I know that you will.

    Of course the worst deprivation has been Mass, and we have learned, and will not forget, that the pope and his bishops couldn’t care less, don’t miss it one bit, and don’t have any real desire to bring it back.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Old Palo Altan

    A Higgs boson comes into a Catholic church.

    The priest says, "Scram, we don't allow subatomic particles here."

    The Higgs replies, "but without me, you can't have mass."

    , @RSDB
    @Old Palo Altan


    the pope and his bishops ... don’t miss it one bit
     
    Well, they're priests, and presumably celebrate Mass every day; what they don't miss is us.

    On the other hand even the most venal bishops must miss the collection money, surely?
  59. @216
    Glorifying Violence

    https://twitter.com/idriselba/status/1267789605077737473

    Replies: @anon, @SFG

    Do you submit these observations to Twitter, or just comment here?

    If you are submitting complaints to Twitter, do you ever get a response ?

  60. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    Reuters:

    The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

    “In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy,” said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy’s coronavirus contagion.
    From Reuters:

    “The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago,” he told RAI television.

    Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

    However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

    Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

    “We’ve got to get back to being a normal country,” he said. “Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country.”

    That final call must be insisted upon everywhere.

    • Thanks: Intelligent Dasein
  61. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard
    @anon

    She's probably angling for some vibrant phone numbers and thought that was a good way to build street cred with them.

    Replies: @anon

    They look like rich sorority girls. From what I’ve seen, that type is decidedly not into mud sharking (of course this was in the South). Would be low status. It’s the low self-esteem types seeking validation as well as members of lower socio-economic brackets that go that route.

    Anyway, college girls that attractive aren’t on the hunt for the dates. FFS, they basically get a lifetime’s supply of overtures on a weekly basis. Along with the drug adventure, I think they were probably doing it for the funzies and to post onto social media.

  62. @anon
    In my boring part of boring flyover we still have some Coofid temporary regs in place. The girls that sell coffee to me through the window of the local java pit are wearing stylish masks. The old people at the post office ditto. The middle aged people at the grocery store, plus the checkers, ditto. Sorta kinda social distance maintained, but nobody gets worked up if a shopper goes The Wrong Way down an aisle.

    The local campus is closed, so some of the skateboarders are taking advantage of sloping sidewalks with no pedestrians. Inline skaters too. None of them are wearing masks. But y'know? No one frets. Probably because locally not many Coof cases.

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    Replies: @Too Long Didn't Read, @SFG

    It’s a lot easier to social distance in ‘flyover country’, because the distances are so much greater.

    New York was always going to get hit hard.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @SFG

    It’s a lot easier to social distance in ‘flyover country’, because the distances are so much greater.

    I've always known that they use a different time scale because I knew the term, New York Minute, but I was unaware that their feet and yards were measured differently.

  63. @216
    Glorifying Violence

    https://twitter.com/idriselba/status/1267789605077737473

    Replies: @anon, @SFG

    This will probably help Trump, don’t you think?

  64. @Talha
    @Bill Jones


    He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones.
     
    Young, blonde and completely clueless as to repercussions:
    https://www.twitter.com/RachelTortorici/status/1266914665612881926

    The look on her face says; I have no clue why I did what I did, why I’m here or why you are mad at me.

    Peace.

    Replies: @anon, @SFG

    I love (sarcastic) how she has fists in every color but white.

    No country for white men, indeed.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @SFG

    Good catch!

    Peace.

  65. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.
     
    I am very sorry to hear this. This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @SolontoCroesus, @Twinkie

    How about all of the people who still insist on dying of heart disease, about 650,000/year, so about 270,000 so for for 2020,

    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, “You have cancer.” If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.

    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry and medical treatment and second-guessing about medical treatment and pain and financial strain due to medical costs and employment sand-bagged because you’re sick.

    Covid is just the shamdemic that has sucked all the oxygen out of the air and all the humanity out of nearly every facet of life.
    Freud wrote in Civilization and Its Discontents that humans needed work, and sex, and companionship to sublimate the animal tendencies of the Id, and moderate the aggressiveness of the Superego. Absent those humanizing elements and left to himself, it would take a supremely abnormal human not to go mad and for society not to disintegrate.
    I think that is the plan; Freud is in charge.

    Covid has done something much much worse to the entire medical profession: it has eroded, perhaps forever, the key ingredient in delivering medical service: Trust.

    Any sick person who goes into a hospital or medical center — and only Sick people do so; signs big as billboards say, NO VISITORS — the first thing a sick person sees upon approaching / entering a medical center is Praise for Our Heroes!

    The nurse, the doctor, the receptionist who gets bored to tears filing her nails — they are now the center of attention at the place where you go because you hurt, or your body is failing you. Be sure to acknowledge how Heroic it is for those persons that you are trusting, and paying! to heal you, to deign to do so.
    Crotchety and ungrateful?
    Damn right.
    I’m not here for a party, I’m here because I hurt, and I’m scared.

    The next thing you encounter is the demand to Stand on that Line! Answer these questions! Sanitize your hands! Put on this mask! Stand there while I take your temperature! Put this band on so we can keep track of you! Now you may proceed to the next check-in station where you will answer the same questions all over again.

    Medical people who come in contact with you to treat you will be wearing industrial respirators.
    (You will not come in actual contact with actual physicians: they will communicate by phone or teleconference. Even the surgeon.)
    It’s very hard to hear what they are saying, what they are telling you, what they are explaining that they are going to do to you. It’s almost as hard for them to hear you mumbling through the snot-filled paper mask. You try to smile with your eyes but nobody’s looking.
    Medicine is no longer a human-to-human interaction: take off your clothes. Put your head in the tube; put your arm through the slot. STAY STILL! A mechanical voice tells you when you can breathe.

    In some areas, all lower-level medical personnel, from nurses to nursing assistants to lab worker, X ray tech, CatScan tech, and a majority of the physicians, surgeons and specialists –all of them are from some other place; none of them look like you, plenty of them don’t speak your language.

    One medical center has exclusively Blacks controlling the entrance, the labs, the pharmacy, the treatment areas.
    Use your imagination: It’s today. Black Lives Matter, but All Lives Matter can get you beat to a pulp.
    You need someone to insert a catheter, or manage a prostate exam. You’re white she’s black and she hates you.

    What makes it even more surreal is that there’s construction going on just across the way, where the cancer wing is being expanded, or some philanthropist is underwriting a center for sports medicine. The tall cranes are swinging, the earth moving machines roaring. Fences around the construction site boast happy banners showing couples cuddling or groups jogging or just a few people sitting around a table drinking coffee or heads together over a jigsaw puzzle. Legends declare, “This is what community looks like!” “Better together!”

    Not anymore.

    Something.
    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @SolontoCroesus


    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, “You have cancer.” If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.
    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry
     
    By that logic, a few thousand Americans dying in 9/11 shouldn't matter much to us. After all, millions die every year!

    Yes, I am more likely to die in a car accident than in a terrorism attack or Covid-19. However, those are not threats that replace my other possibles causes of mortality - they add to the already present threats and possibilities. Moreover, they are novel threats that pose society-wide concerns beyond the marginally increased possibilities of long-term harm or death for individuals.

    Some of you like to engage in the straw man of the "coronapilled" claiming the novel corona virus being some sort of a Black Plague. I am not saying that. Niether is Johann Ricke and many others here. It is "merely" a novel corona virus (another corona virus being the common cold) to which the population was epidemiologically naive and which is currently much more infectious and lethal than the common cold and the influenza.

    Frankly, no one could predict accurately what the virus would do to a specific country, given that it is new, there are many stochastic possibilities, countries are highly complex systems, and each country is very different from another in too many ways to count. Therefore, the early responses, which were based on ominous and tragic reports out of China and Italy, were necessarily conservative and cautious. We know more now, but we still don't know enough (to have a functioning vaccine, for starters, or consistently efficacious treatment).

    I have very mixed views of the "lockdown" - it restricts freedom I value immensely and it has likely contributed to the enormous damage to the economy. And it has, so far, cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in income this year. Other countries have managed extremely well without such lockdowns (e.g. South Korea), by relying on aggressive testing, contact-tracing, and quarantines. But such countries invariably have highly cooperative and compliant populations - you don't see people milling about and partying in large numbers at swimming pools or packing into restaurants to make political statements in defiance of the government.

    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to "superspreaders" (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions) and we would still end up experiencing a similar level of decline in economic activity, as the majority of people avoided normal consumption behaviors (Sweden is forecasted to experience a similar rate of GDP drop this year as the U.S. despite no lockdown).

    No one has the crystal ball. No one has the perfect knowledge of what to do. People like "Intelligent Dasein" who proclaim that they were right about "everything" about this pandemic all the while betraying the lack of basic knowledge in epidemiology are suffering from delusions of grandeur of being ignored geniuses and riding on a wave of anger and discontent that invariably accompany a pandemic (lockdown or no - without much government intervention there'd be millions of people being upset at the political leaders for doing nothing while people did).

    We can certainly have a debate about what the right mix of caution and optimism is for our country and what specific policies we ought to implement. But there is no need to engage in conspiracy theories, predictions of civilizational doom, or paint people with different ideas as enemies. Here is a productive suggestion: what did we learn about dealing with a pandemic in this country? What can we do differently the next time that will allow us to save lives and mitigate the impact? We need to act on these questions as a society, in addition to merely combating the current threats as such.

    South Korea is held up today as an example of a country that handled the pandemic extremely well. It has, by all accounts, much better than Sweden or Germany (despite having very close economic ties with China, the source country of the virus). A lot of people seem to attribute that to some sort of an HBD explanation. Yes, I don't doubt that their high average IQ and the competence of their bureaucracy helped a lot. But what I think really contributed their success was that their previous administration was embarrased greatly by being caught flat-footed by an earlier MERS epidemic (South Korea experienced the worst one outside the Middle East, the source region) and their government went to great lengths to beef up the public health system and prepared for the next epidemic.

    We ought to do the same here.

    Replies: @Znzn, @res

    , @Intelligent Dasein
    @SolontoCroesus


    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.
     
    Absolutely.

    ClowardPiven-19
  66. When the lockdown started, I was thinking that it was a singular opportunity to take footage of deserted famous areas for a post apocalyptic movie – that is, one of those deadly outbreak scenarios, where all the buildings are still left standing. Now it seems there is another opportunity, to take shots for a post apocalyptic movie, but on a different level, where all the buildings are burn-out or looted.

    I’m an American, but I find it difficult to take the US as a serious country anymore. I really don’t think the word “superpower” is appropriate anymore. As far as I am concerned, the Chinese have already exceeded us. The positive differences which might exist are just an eroding legacy.

    Past riots showed that the US was an example to avoid, though I am not sure anyone took the lesson seriously. One can hope that the proliferation of cellphone cameras might change that, but I am not so sure.

  67. @SFG
    @Talha

    I love (sarcastic) how she has fists in every color but white.

    No country for white men, indeed.

    Replies: @Talha

    Good catch!

    Peace.

  68. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie



    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.
     
    Yeah, agreed.

    Some people are carrying on as if social distancing was the worst thing that ever happened in history, ever. It's just silly. Social distancing was a pain the ass but it wasn't that bad. It was an inconvenience. People these days seem to react to minor inconveniences like they're the end of the world.

    I didn't enjoy the social distancing but if you approach things in a positive frame of mind inconveniences can be endured. I got to read a lot more books. That was a good thing. I spent a lot of time watching old movies. That was a good thing. I actually cooked dinner one night. Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave. It's not something I'd make a habit of but it was kind of fun.

    People here grumbled a bit but they survived. I don't know of anyone who blew his brains out because he couldn't go to his favourite ethnic restaurant for a few weeks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Mr. Rational

    Cooked dinner, as distinct from just shoving something in the microwave.

    Man, are you ever missing out.  Steak, chicken, casseroles, Mexican-flavored stuff… I’ve been having a blast in the kitchen.  But I was prepared for something like this.

  69. OT, but insane enough to share:

    Facing a slew of media requests asking about how protests might be a risk for COVID-19 transmission, a group of infectious disease experts at the University of Washington, with input from other colleagues, drafted a collective response. In an open letter published Sunday, they write that “protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

    The letter and the experts who signed it make a case for viewing the protests not primarily as something that could add to cases of coronavirus (though they might), but as a tool to promote public health in and of themselves. Protests address “the paramount public health problem of pervasive racism,” the letter notes. “We express solidarity and gratitude toward demonstrators who have already taken on enormous personal risk to advocate for their own health, the health of their communities, and the public health of the United States.”

    So even if it spreads the ‘Rona (if you believe in that kinda thing) these bizarre religious rites in praise of blackness itself must continue. Remember “if it saves one life”?

    https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Daniel Williams

    In 2019, nine--yes, nine--unarmed blacks were killed by police. Nineteen unarmed whites were. If a second wave results in response to street parties raising awareness, that's worth it?

    Perhaps these labcoats will find God over the next month--because of the holiness of their cause, the good lord above has spared them all from catching covid! That looks to be about on par with the seriousness of these medical professionals.

  70. @Old Palo Altan
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You're on fire ID: this is where you shine.

    I would urge "keep it up" but I know that you will.

    Of course the worst deprivation has been Mass, and we have learned, and will not forget, that the pope and his bishops couldn't care less, don't miss it one bit, and don't have any real desire to bring it back.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @RSDB

    A Higgs boson comes into a Catholic church.

    The priest says, “Scram, we don’t allow subatomic particles here.”

    The Higgs replies, “but without me, you can’t have mass.”

  71. I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn’t going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I’ve often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that’s true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump’s ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I’m not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election—they’re going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don’t care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    • LOL: AaronB, iffen, Yahya K.
    • Replies: @anon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population.

    Could you please list all the drugs that you take? Both prescription and "alternative medications".
    Thanks.

    , @Priss Factor
    @Intelligent Dasein

    People need to say and hear over and over and over.

    BAMMAMA or Blacks Are More Muscular and More Aggressive.

    They evolved to be hunters, warriors, thugs. It's 100,000 yrs of evolution, not 200 yrs of slavery. The great white sin against America was importing African savagery, thus endangering the lives of so many people.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    , @TomSchmidt
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population."

    Most blacks don't benefit from AA. It's a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.

    So most blacks wouldn't likely riot for an end to AA. It's the white power structure that wouldn't allow the change.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    , @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    >You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos.

    Don't hold your breath.

    , @dfordoom
    @Intelligent Dasein


    You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election—they’re going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to.....

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.
     
    It all sounds so easy. All you have to do is to overthrow the entire existing political structure and the entire government, throw away the Constitution, abolish the rule of law and establish a dictatorship. Year Zero!

    And those crazy antifa loons think that the far right wants to establish a fascist dictatorship, when in fact all the far right wants to do is to - establish a fascist dictatorship. But a good fascist dictatorship. Not one of those bad fascist dictatorships.

    Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil.
     
    Or put them to work building GULAGs. You'll need lots of those. For the people you don't just shoot out of hand.
  72. @Intelligent Dasein
    I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn't going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I've often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that's true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump's ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I'm not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election---they're going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don't care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    Replies: @anon, @Priss Factor, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population.

    Could you please list all the drugs that you take? Both prescription and “alternative medications”.
    Thanks.

  73. @Old Palo Altan
    @Intelligent Dasein

    You're on fire ID: this is where you shine.

    I would urge "keep it up" but I know that you will.

    Of course the worst deprivation has been Mass, and we have learned, and will not forget, that the pope and his bishops couldn't care less, don't miss it one bit, and don't have any real desire to bring it back.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational, @RSDB

    the pope and his bishops … don’t miss it one bit

    Well, they’re priests, and presumably celebrate Mass every day; what they don’t miss is us.

    On the other hand even the most venal bishops must miss the collection money, surely?

  74. @Intelligent Dasein
    I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn't going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I've often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that's true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump's ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I'm not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election---they're going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don't care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    Replies: @anon, @Priss Factor, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    People need to say and hear over and over and over.

    BAMMAMA or Blacks Are More Muscular and More Aggressive.

    They evolved to be hunters, warriors, thugs. It’s 100,000 yrs of evolution, not 200 yrs of slavery. The great white sin against America was importing African savagery, thus endangering the lives of so many people.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Priss Factor

    Nobody needs to say or hear this garbage, and the only people who want to hear it are currently wondering which vegetable they'll be inserting into their nether regions tonight.

    And you can take that 'evolution' shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  75. @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    a close friend of mine contracted the novel corona virus and passed away recently. He leaves behind devastated family and friends, including very young kids who don’t understand why their dad isn’t coming home from the hospital.
     
    I am very sorry to hear this. This virus has taken more than its share of people way before their time.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @SolontoCroesus, @Twinkie

    I really appreciate the sentiment. I’ve been alternating among being sad, angry, and in denial.

    I told my wife the other day that I feel like he didn’t really die. I wasn’t able to be his bedside due to the current restrictions. I felt like this was just a bad dream and, in a few weeks, he and I could go out and have a drink and talk about his stupid hospitalization experience.

    Then I realize he’s gone and I get angry, to be frank. At God mostly. I’d like to think that He has some unknowable plan about all this, but it’s a hard pill to swallow.

    Most of the time, I am just sad about it and think of his kids.

    I wasn’t terribly affected when my father passed away or when my oldest uncle did. But it’s a pretty big blow every time a friend dies. I guess it’s because they are the people I chose to love.

    Anyway, thanks.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Twinkie

    “God the Almighty says: ‘I have nothing to give to my faithful servant except Paradise if I cause his dear friend to die and he remains patient.’” - reported in Bukhari

    May God grant you patience in this difficult time.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    Well put.

    That he had friends like you is a credit to him as a husband and father. It's obvious that those he leaves behind will not be left to languish.

  76. @Intelligent Dasein
    I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn't going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I've often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that's true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump's ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I'm not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election---they're going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don't care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    Replies: @anon, @Priss Factor, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    “Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population.”

    Most blacks don’t benefit from AA. It’s a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.

    So most blacks wouldn’t likely riot for an end to AA. It’s the white power structure that wouldn’t allow the change.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @TomSchmidt

    Nixon was quite explicit when he talked about AA in his targeting of the top third of the black populace. It makes sense. College admissions, business loans, corporate hiring, government patronage jobs: these are not things that benefit a high school dropout.

    One group that really benefits from AA in college admissions are the children of African immigrants, some of whom are probably the descendants of those who sold the slaves in the first place, because they are the ones likely to have the test scores and grades needed to compete in the first place.

    , @Twinkie
    @TomSchmidt


    Most blacks don’t benefit from AA. It’s a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.
     
    Under the status quo, who loses?

    - Intelligent rural/downscale whites without connections to the current elites. Those who can't afford do lots of extracurricual activities overseas to beef up their applications or virtue-signal, but are smart and score well on the standardized tests and/or have excellent work ethic.

    - East Asians, especially those of the lower socio-economic, but high cognitive profile.

    - Those who are overtly traditional and/or religious.

    Who benefits?

    - Elite liberal whites (among whom Jews are proportionally very highly represented), esp. those who are not so bright and do not score well on the standardized tests and/or are lazy and don't (and don't want to) work hard.

    - "The Talented Tenth" blacks and their equivalents among Hispanics and perhaps American Indians. Note that many such blacks and Hispanics are foreign-born or children of immigrants who were elites in their origin countries.

    - Increasingly Indians/South Asians/Muslims - who are often seen as dark-skinned, anti-colonial "GoodAsians" and who seem to be adept at manipulating and adopting to the prevailing and lauded "social justice" and anti-Western ideologies.


    So most blacks wouldn’t likely riot for an end to AA. It’s the white power structure that wouldn’t allow the change.
     
    Downscale blacks are not astute enough to navigate the AA system for their benefit. They are not likely even aware of the benefits of the same.

    Replies: @Znzn

  77. @Priss Factor
    @Intelligent Dasein

    People need to say and hear over and over and over.

    BAMMAMA or Blacks Are More Muscular and More Aggressive.

    They evolved to be hunters, warriors, thugs. It's 100,000 yrs of evolution, not 200 yrs of slavery. The great white sin against America was importing African savagery, thus endangering the lives of so many people.

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    Nobody needs to say or hear this garbage, and the only people who want to hear it are currently wondering which vegetable they’ll be inserting into their nether regions tonight.

    And you can take that ‘evolution’ shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Intelligent Dasein


    And you can take that ‘evolution’ shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.
     
    We all know about your blind spot.  The evidence keeps piling up, and you're only fooling yourself.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/06/24/fixation-index/

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

  78. @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    I really appreciate the sentiment. I've been alternating among being sad, angry, and in denial.

    I told my wife the other day that I feel like he didn't really die. I wasn't able to be his bedside due to the current restrictions. I felt like this was just a bad dream and, in a few weeks, he and I could go out and have a drink and talk about his stupid hospitalization experience.

    Then I realize he's gone and I get angry, to be frank. At God mostly. I'd like to think that He has some unknowable plan about all this, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

    Most of the time, I am just sad about it and think of his kids.

    I wasn't terribly affected when my father passed away or when my oldest uncle did. But it's a pretty big blow every time a friend dies. I guess it's because they are the people I chose to love.

    Anyway, thanks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    “God the Almighty says: ‘I have nothing to give to my faithful servant except Paradise if I cause his dear friend to die and he remains patient.’” – reported in Bukhari

    May God grant you patience in this difficult time.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Talha

    Man, I try, but I do not have Job's patience... nor perhaps his faith.

  79. @SolontoCroesus
    @Johann Ricke

    How about all of the people who still insist on dying of heart disease, about 650,000/year, so about 270,000 so for for 2020,

    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, "You have cancer." If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.

    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry and medical treatment and second-guessing about medical treatment and pain and financial strain due to medical costs and employment sand-bagged because you're sick.

    Covid is just the shamdemic that has sucked all the oxygen out of the air and all the humanity out of nearly every facet of life.
    Freud wrote in Civilization and Its Discontents that humans needed work, and sex, and companionship to sublimate the animal tendencies of the Id, and moderate the aggressiveness of the Superego. Absent those humanizing elements and left to himself, it would take a supremely abnormal human not to go mad and for society not to disintegrate.
    I think that is the plan; Freud is in charge.

    Covid has done something much much worse to the entire medical profession: it has eroded, perhaps forever, the key ingredient in delivering medical service: Trust.

    Any sick person who goes into a hospital or medical center -- and only Sick people do so; signs big as billboards say, NO VISITORS -- the first thing a sick person sees upon approaching / entering a medical center is Praise for Our Heroes!

    The nurse, the doctor, the receptionist who gets bored to tears filing her nails -- they are now the center of attention at the place where you go because you hurt, or your body is failing you. Be sure to acknowledge how Heroic it is for those persons that you are trusting, and paying! to heal you, to deign to do so.
    Crotchety and ungrateful?
    Damn right.
    I'm not here for a party, I'm here because I hurt, and I'm scared.

    The next thing you encounter is the demand to Stand on that Line! Answer these questions! Sanitize your hands! Put on this mask! Stand there while I take your temperature! Put this band on so we can keep track of you! Now you may proceed to the next check-in station where you will answer the same questions all over again.

    Medical people who come in contact with you to treat you will be wearing industrial respirators.
    (You will not come in actual contact with actual physicians: they will communicate by phone or teleconference. Even the surgeon.)
    It's very hard to hear what they are saying, what they are telling you, what they are explaining that they are going to do to you. It's almost as hard for them to hear you mumbling through the snot-filled paper mask. You try to smile with your eyes but nobody's looking.
    Medicine is no longer a human-to-human interaction: take off your clothes. Put your head in the tube; put your arm through the slot. STAY STILL! A mechanical voice tells you when you can breathe.

    In some areas, all lower-level medical personnel, from nurses to nursing assistants to lab worker, X ray tech, CatScan tech, and a majority of the physicians, surgeons and specialists --all of them are from some other place; none of them look like you, plenty of them don't speak your language.

    One medical center has exclusively Blacks controlling the entrance, the labs, the pharmacy, the treatment areas.
    Use your imagination: It's today. Black Lives Matter, but All Lives Matter can get you beat to a pulp.
    You need someone to insert a catheter, or manage a prostate exam. You're white she's black and she hates you.

    What makes it even more surreal is that there's construction going on just across the way, where the cancer wing is being expanded, or some philanthropist is underwriting a center for sports medicine. The tall cranes are swinging, the earth moving machines roaring. Fences around the construction site boast happy banners showing couples cuddling or groups jogging or just a few people sitting around a table drinking coffee or heads together over a jigsaw puzzle. Legends declare, "This is what community looks like!" "Better together!"

    Not anymore.

    Something.
    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Intelligent Dasein

    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, “You have cancer.” If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.
    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry

    By that logic, a few thousand Americans dying in 9/11 shouldn’t matter much to us. After all, millions die every year!

    Yes, I am more likely to die in a car accident than in a terrorism attack or Covid-19. However, those are not threats that replace my other possibles causes of mortality – they add to the already present threats and possibilities. Moreover, they are novel threats that pose society-wide concerns beyond the marginally increased possibilities of long-term harm or death for individuals.

    Some of you like to engage in the straw man of the “coronapilled” claiming the novel corona virus being some sort of a Black Plague. I am not saying that. Niether is Johann Ricke and many others here. It is “merely” a novel corona virus (another corona virus being the common cold) to which the population was epidemiologically naive and which is currently much more infectious and lethal than the common cold and the influenza.

    Frankly, no one could predict accurately what the virus would do to a specific country, given that it is new, there are many stochastic possibilities, countries are highly complex systems, and each country is very different from another in too many ways to count. Therefore, the early responses, which were based on ominous and tragic reports out of China and Italy, were necessarily conservative and cautious. We know more now, but we still don’t know enough (to have a functioning vaccine, for starters, or consistently efficacious treatment).

    I have very mixed views of the “lockdown” – it restricts freedom I value immensely and it has likely contributed to the enormous damage to the economy. And it has, so far, cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in income this year. Other countries have managed extremely well without such lockdowns (e.g. South Korea), by relying on aggressive testing, contact-tracing, and quarantines. But such countries invariably have highly cooperative and compliant populations – you don’t see people milling about and partying in large numbers at swimming pools or packing into restaurants to make political statements in defiance of the government.

    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to “superspreaders” (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions) and we would still end up experiencing a similar level of decline in economic activity, as the majority of people avoided normal consumption behaviors (Sweden is forecasted to experience a similar rate of GDP drop this year as the U.S. despite no lockdown).

    No one has the crystal ball. No one has the perfect knowledge of what to do. People like “Intelligent Dasein” who proclaim that they were right about “everything” about this pandemic all the while betraying the lack of basic knowledge in epidemiology are suffering from delusions of grandeur of being ignored geniuses and riding on a wave of anger and discontent that invariably accompany a pandemic (lockdown or no – without much government intervention there’d be millions of people being upset at the political leaders for doing nothing while people did).

    We can certainly have a debate about what the right mix of caution and optimism is for our country and what specific policies we ought to implement. But there is no need to engage in conspiracy theories, predictions of civilizational doom, or paint people with different ideas as enemies. Here is a productive suggestion: what did we learn about dealing with a pandemic in this country? What can we do differently the next time that will allow us to save lives and mitigate the impact? We need to act on these questions as a society, in addition to merely combating the current threats as such.

    South Korea is held up today as an example of a country that handled the pandemic extremely well. It has, by all accounts, much better than Sweden or Germany (despite having very close economic ties with China, the source country of the virus). A lot of people seem to attribute that to some sort of an HBD explanation. Yes, I don’t doubt that their high average IQ and the competence of their bureaucracy helped a lot. But what I think really contributed their success was that their previous administration was embarrased greatly by being caught flat-footed by an earlier MERS epidemic (South Korea experienced the worst one outside the Middle East, the source region) and their government went to great lengths to beef up the public health system and prepared for the next epidemic.

    We ought to do the same here.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Twinkie

    It's actually a metaphysical and value call, especially with an IFR of 1 percent that is really only fatal to old people, so maybe killing 5000 70 year olds in a country of 10 million is a feature and not a bug depending on your values, and how much you value old people, especially if your government is the one that is paying for the pension bills.

    , @res
    @Twinkie


    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to “superspreaders” (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions)
     
    The research I see indicates it is likely to be even more skewed than that. See the discussion in this comment and paper:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/cdc-finally-admits-touching-things-less-risky-than-talking-to-people/#comment-3919908

    Estimating the overdispersion in COVID-19 transmission using outbreak sizes outside China
    https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/overdispersion-from-outbreaksize.html
    https://akira-endo.github.io/COVID19_clustersize/COVID19_clustersize.html

    They conclude:

    For the likely range of R0>2 , the overdispersion parameter k was estimated to be around 0.1, suggesting that the majority of secondary transmission is caused by a very small fraction of individuals (80% of transmissions caused by ~10% of the total cases) (Liu et al.30462-1)). This suggests that the effective reproduction number could be drastically reduced by interventions targeting potential superspreading events.
     
    Note that final sentence. Used properly this could be a good thing for containment. It also means the herd immunity threshold would be lower than the classic estimate of 1 - 1/R0 because the superspreaders (who tend to be more socially connected) tend to become infected and then recovered first.
  80. @TomSchmidt
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population."

    Most blacks don't benefit from AA. It's a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.

    So most blacks wouldn't likely riot for an end to AA. It's the white power structure that wouldn't allow the change.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    Nixon was quite explicit when he talked about AA in his targeting of the top third of the black populace. It makes sense. College admissions, business loans, corporate hiring, government patronage jobs: these are not things that benefit a high school dropout.

    One group that really benefits from AA in college admissions are the children of African immigrants, some of whom are probably the descendants of those who sold the slaves in the first place, because they are the ones likely to have the test scores and grades needed to compete in the first place.

  81. @Intelligent Dasein
    I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn't going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I've often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that's true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump's ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I'm not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election---they're going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don't care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    Replies: @anon, @Priss Factor, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    >You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos.

    Don’t hold your breath.

  82. @TomSchmidt
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population."

    Most blacks don't benefit from AA. It's a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.

    So most blacks wouldn't likely riot for an end to AA. It's the white power structure that wouldn't allow the change.

    Replies: @nebulafox, @Twinkie

    Most blacks don’t benefit from AA. It’s a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.

    Under the status quo, who loses?

    – Intelligent rural/downscale whites without connections to the current elites. Those who can’t afford do lots of extracurricual activities overseas to beef up their applications or virtue-signal, but are smart and score well on the standardized tests and/or have excellent work ethic.

    – East Asians, especially those of the lower socio-economic, but high cognitive profile.

    – Those who are overtly traditional and/or religious.

    Who benefits?

    – Elite liberal whites (among whom Jews are proportionally very highly represented), esp. those who are not so bright and do not score well on the standardized tests and/or are lazy and don’t (and don’t want to) work hard.

    – “The Talented Tenth” blacks and their equivalents among Hispanics and perhaps American Indians. Note that many such blacks and Hispanics are foreign-born or children of immigrants who were elites in their origin countries.

    – Increasingly Indians/South Asians/Muslims – who are often seen as dark-skinned, anti-colonial “GoodAsians” and who seem to be adept at manipulating and adopting to the prevailing and lauded “social justice” and anti-Western ideologies.

    So most blacks wouldn’t likely riot for an end to AA. It’s the white power structure that wouldn’t allow the change.

    Downscale blacks are not astute enough to navigate the AA system for their benefit. They are not likely even aware of the benefits of the same.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Znzn
    @Twinkie

    AA or no AA, the Harvey Specters of the world will still do well whatever happens, South Africa still has a off of very financially well off whites and South Asians (does Gupta ring a bell?) living in their luxury gated suburbs. Too much gloom and doom here. If you have a 140 or even 135 IQ and not autistic, even with average work ethic, your talent is still too valuable to throw to the trash heap, lots of quant analysts are making 500000 dollar plus salaries in Wall Street, what will go to the crapper are the 110 IQ midskill people, even without AA, automation will basically guarantee that anyway.

  83. @Talha
    @Twinkie

    “God the Almighty says: ‘I have nothing to give to my faithful servant except Paradise if I cause his dear friend to die and he remains patient.’” - reported in Bukhari

    May God grant you patience in this difficult time.

    Peace.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Man, I try, but I do not have Job’s patience… nor perhaps his faith.

  84. @Talha
    @YetAnotherAnon


    God only knows what lockdown has done to them now.
     
    Yeah - it's sad. It's really a kind of mental powder keg. Being alone with one's thoughts and nobody around to talk to except through a screen. Eventually all the reruns of Friends and Gilmore Girls run out and then what?

    Peace.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Actually they’re probably retweeting BLM talking points and cursing Trump, so sod ’em.

  85. @Twinkie
    @TomSchmidt


    Most blacks don’t benefit from AA. It’s a tool to transfer college admissions from marginal whites and Asians to talented-tenth blacks. This does nothing for the bottom 90% of blacks, but it tremendously benefits the black elite and the white elite, who can eliminate their competition on the white side and look really good for backing AA.
     
    Under the status quo, who loses?

    - Intelligent rural/downscale whites without connections to the current elites. Those who can't afford do lots of extracurricual activities overseas to beef up their applications or virtue-signal, but are smart and score well on the standardized tests and/or have excellent work ethic.

    - East Asians, especially those of the lower socio-economic, but high cognitive profile.

    - Those who are overtly traditional and/or religious.

    Who benefits?

    - Elite liberal whites (among whom Jews are proportionally very highly represented), esp. those who are not so bright and do not score well on the standardized tests and/or are lazy and don't (and don't want to) work hard.

    - "The Talented Tenth" blacks and their equivalents among Hispanics and perhaps American Indians. Note that many such blacks and Hispanics are foreign-born or children of immigrants who were elites in their origin countries.

    - Increasingly Indians/South Asians/Muslims - who are often seen as dark-skinned, anti-colonial "GoodAsians" and who seem to be adept at manipulating and adopting to the prevailing and lauded "social justice" and anti-Western ideologies.


    So most blacks wouldn’t likely riot for an end to AA. It’s the white power structure that wouldn’t allow the change.
     
    Downscale blacks are not astute enough to navigate the AA system for their benefit. They are not likely even aware of the benefits of the same.

    Replies: @Znzn

    AA or no AA, the Harvey Specters of the world will still do well whatever happens, South Africa still has a off of very financially well off whites and South Asians (does Gupta ring a bell?) living in their luxury gated suburbs. Too much gloom and doom here. If you have a 140 or even 135 IQ and not autistic, even with average work ethic, your talent is still too valuable to throw to the trash heap, lots of quant analysts are making 500000 dollar plus salaries in Wall Street, what will go to the crapper are the 110 IQ midskill people, even without AA, automation will basically guarantee that anyway.

  86. @Twinkie
    @SolontoCroesus


    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, “You have cancer.” If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.
    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry
     
    By that logic, a few thousand Americans dying in 9/11 shouldn't matter much to us. After all, millions die every year!

    Yes, I am more likely to die in a car accident than in a terrorism attack or Covid-19. However, those are not threats that replace my other possibles causes of mortality - they add to the already present threats and possibilities. Moreover, they are novel threats that pose society-wide concerns beyond the marginally increased possibilities of long-term harm or death for individuals.

    Some of you like to engage in the straw man of the "coronapilled" claiming the novel corona virus being some sort of a Black Plague. I am not saying that. Niether is Johann Ricke and many others here. It is "merely" a novel corona virus (another corona virus being the common cold) to which the population was epidemiologically naive and which is currently much more infectious and lethal than the common cold and the influenza.

    Frankly, no one could predict accurately what the virus would do to a specific country, given that it is new, there are many stochastic possibilities, countries are highly complex systems, and each country is very different from another in too many ways to count. Therefore, the early responses, which were based on ominous and tragic reports out of China and Italy, were necessarily conservative and cautious. We know more now, but we still don't know enough (to have a functioning vaccine, for starters, or consistently efficacious treatment).

    I have very mixed views of the "lockdown" - it restricts freedom I value immensely and it has likely contributed to the enormous damage to the economy. And it has, so far, cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in income this year. Other countries have managed extremely well without such lockdowns (e.g. South Korea), by relying on aggressive testing, contact-tracing, and quarantines. But such countries invariably have highly cooperative and compliant populations - you don't see people milling about and partying in large numbers at swimming pools or packing into restaurants to make political statements in defiance of the government.

    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to "superspreaders" (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions) and we would still end up experiencing a similar level of decline in economic activity, as the majority of people avoided normal consumption behaviors (Sweden is forecasted to experience a similar rate of GDP drop this year as the U.S. despite no lockdown).

    No one has the crystal ball. No one has the perfect knowledge of what to do. People like "Intelligent Dasein" who proclaim that they were right about "everything" about this pandemic all the while betraying the lack of basic knowledge in epidemiology are suffering from delusions of grandeur of being ignored geniuses and riding on a wave of anger and discontent that invariably accompany a pandemic (lockdown or no - without much government intervention there'd be millions of people being upset at the political leaders for doing nothing while people did).

    We can certainly have a debate about what the right mix of caution and optimism is for our country and what specific policies we ought to implement. But there is no need to engage in conspiracy theories, predictions of civilizational doom, or paint people with different ideas as enemies. Here is a productive suggestion: what did we learn about dealing with a pandemic in this country? What can we do differently the next time that will allow us to save lives and mitigate the impact? We need to act on these questions as a society, in addition to merely combating the current threats as such.

    South Korea is held up today as an example of a country that handled the pandemic extremely well. It has, by all accounts, much better than Sweden or Germany (despite having very close economic ties with China, the source country of the virus). A lot of people seem to attribute that to some sort of an HBD explanation. Yes, I don't doubt that their high average IQ and the competence of their bureaucracy helped a lot. But what I think really contributed their success was that their previous administration was embarrased greatly by being caught flat-footed by an earlier MERS epidemic (South Korea experienced the worst one outside the Middle East, the source region) and their government went to great lengths to beef up the public health system and prepared for the next epidemic.

    We ought to do the same here.

    Replies: @Znzn, @res

    It’s actually a metaphysical and value call, especially with an IFR of 1 percent that is really only fatal to old people, so maybe killing 5000 70 year olds in a country of 10 million is a feature and not a bug depending on your values, and how much you value old people, especially if your government is the one that is paying for the pension bills.

  87. About tropical weather, Florida is still getting 7000 cases a day, if you extrapolate the 70 deaths daily to a 1% IFR rate. If you are going to argue an IR of 0.1%, that is 70000 cases a day. 0.01% 700000 cases a day.

  88. @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    Everything fun and exciting and magical
     
    I’m guessing neither of you have a wife, kids, or even a dog.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @dfordoom, @128

    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @128

    Oh, I understand lots of fun, magical things have shut down. But everything? Not if you have a spouse, kids, dogs, etc.

    , @Toronto Russian
    @128


    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.
     
    They risked only their own lives. The Covid situation as compared to car racing, is when a young guy stands by the track (debris from a crash may still hit him, but very unlikely) and remote controls a car where his grandma, asthmatic friend and doctor from a local hospital sit without seatbelts.
  89. @SFG
    @anon

    It's a lot easier to social distance in 'flyover country', because the distances are so much greater.

    New York was always going to get hit hard.

    Replies: @iffen

    It’s a lot easier to social distance in ‘flyover country’, because the distances are so much greater.

    I’ve always known that they use a different time scale because I knew the term, New York Minute, but I was unaware that their feet and yards were measured differently.

  90. @SolontoCroesus
    @Johann Ricke

    How about all of the people who still insist on dying of heart disease, about 650,000/year, so about 270,000 so for for 2020,

    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, "You have cancer." If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.

    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry and medical treatment and second-guessing about medical treatment and pain and financial strain due to medical costs and employment sand-bagged because you're sick.

    Covid is just the shamdemic that has sucked all the oxygen out of the air and all the humanity out of nearly every facet of life.
    Freud wrote in Civilization and Its Discontents that humans needed work, and sex, and companionship to sublimate the animal tendencies of the Id, and moderate the aggressiveness of the Superego. Absent those humanizing elements and left to himself, it would take a supremely abnormal human not to go mad and for society not to disintegrate.
    I think that is the plan; Freud is in charge.

    Covid has done something much much worse to the entire medical profession: it has eroded, perhaps forever, the key ingredient in delivering medical service: Trust.

    Any sick person who goes into a hospital or medical center -- and only Sick people do so; signs big as billboards say, NO VISITORS -- the first thing a sick person sees upon approaching / entering a medical center is Praise for Our Heroes!

    The nurse, the doctor, the receptionist who gets bored to tears filing her nails -- they are now the center of attention at the place where you go because you hurt, or your body is failing you. Be sure to acknowledge how Heroic it is for those persons that you are trusting, and paying! to heal you, to deign to do so.
    Crotchety and ungrateful?
    Damn right.
    I'm not here for a party, I'm here because I hurt, and I'm scared.

    The next thing you encounter is the demand to Stand on that Line! Answer these questions! Sanitize your hands! Put on this mask! Stand there while I take your temperature! Put this band on so we can keep track of you! Now you may proceed to the next check-in station where you will answer the same questions all over again.

    Medical people who come in contact with you to treat you will be wearing industrial respirators.
    (You will not come in actual contact with actual physicians: they will communicate by phone or teleconference. Even the surgeon.)
    It's very hard to hear what they are saying, what they are telling you, what they are explaining that they are going to do to you. It's almost as hard for them to hear you mumbling through the snot-filled paper mask. You try to smile with your eyes but nobody's looking.
    Medicine is no longer a human-to-human interaction: take off your clothes. Put your head in the tube; put your arm through the slot. STAY STILL! A mechanical voice tells you when you can breathe.

    In some areas, all lower-level medical personnel, from nurses to nursing assistants to lab worker, X ray tech, CatScan tech, and a majority of the physicians, surgeons and specialists --all of them are from some other place; none of them look like you, plenty of them don't speak your language.

    One medical center has exclusively Blacks controlling the entrance, the labs, the pharmacy, the treatment areas.
    Use your imagination: It's today. Black Lives Matter, but All Lives Matter can get you beat to a pulp.
    You need someone to insert a catheter, or manage a prostate exam. You're white she's black and she hates you.

    What makes it even more surreal is that there's construction going on just across the way, where the cancer wing is being expanded, or some philanthropist is underwriting a center for sports medicine. The tall cranes are swinging, the earth moving machines roaring. Fences around the construction site boast happy banners showing couples cuddling or groups jogging or just a few people sitting around a table drinking coffee or heads together over a jigsaw puzzle. Legends declare, "This is what community looks like!" "Better together!"

    Not anymore.

    Something.
    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Intelligent Dasein

    Something beyond evil, some Fiend, has gamed and is engineering this destruction of human society.

    Absolutely.

    ClowardPiven-19

  91. 128 says:

    Maybe Twinkie’s comments just goes to show that East Asians are not suited to live in white countries because the median East Asian is a lot more risk averse than the average white, hence swamping them with East Asians will bring down their median levels of risk aversion for white countries? Since risk aversion is a heritable trait.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @128

    Yup. That’s why South Korea and Japan never did a total lockdown. Because those Asians are too risk-averse.

    Replies: @128, @128

  92. res says:
    @Twinkie
    @SolontoCroesus


    Or the approx. 1.7 million people who will be diagnosed with cancer, 600,000 of whom will die this year. That means that so far in 2020, 708,000 Americans have heard someone tell them, “You have cancer.” If that news came in the last 8 or 9 weeks, it was delivered by telephone, or teleconference, not face-to-face.
    A quarter-million people will have died of cancer so far in 2020.
    Covid is not the only thing that is threatening and causing suffering and bringing about worry
     
    By that logic, a few thousand Americans dying in 9/11 shouldn't matter much to us. After all, millions die every year!

    Yes, I am more likely to die in a car accident than in a terrorism attack or Covid-19. However, those are not threats that replace my other possibles causes of mortality - they add to the already present threats and possibilities. Moreover, they are novel threats that pose society-wide concerns beyond the marginally increased possibilities of long-term harm or death for individuals.

    Some of you like to engage in the straw man of the "coronapilled" claiming the novel corona virus being some sort of a Black Plague. I am not saying that. Niether is Johann Ricke and many others here. It is "merely" a novel corona virus (another corona virus being the common cold) to which the population was epidemiologically naive and which is currently much more infectious and lethal than the common cold and the influenza.

    Frankly, no one could predict accurately what the virus would do to a specific country, given that it is new, there are many stochastic possibilities, countries are highly complex systems, and each country is very different from another in too many ways to count. Therefore, the early responses, which were based on ominous and tragic reports out of China and Italy, were necessarily conservative and cautious. We know more now, but we still don't know enough (to have a functioning vaccine, for starters, or consistently efficacious treatment).

    I have very mixed views of the "lockdown" - it restricts freedom I value immensely and it has likely contributed to the enormous damage to the economy. And it has, so far, cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars in income this year. Other countries have managed extremely well without such lockdowns (e.g. South Korea), by relying on aggressive testing, contact-tracing, and quarantines. But such countries invariably have highly cooperative and compliant populations - you don't see people milling about and partying in large numbers at swimming pools or packing into restaurants to make political statements in defiance of the government.

    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to "superspreaders" (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions) and we would still end up experiencing a similar level of decline in economic activity, as the majority of people avoided normal consumption behaviors (Sweden is forecasted to experience a similar rate of GDP drop this year as the U.S. despite no lockdown).

    No one has the crystal ball. No one has the perfect knowledge of what to do. People like "Intelligent Dasein" who proclaim that they were right about "everything" about this pandemic all the while betraying the lack of basic knowledge in epidemiology are suffering from delusions of grandeur of being ignored geniuses and riding on a wave of anger and discontent that invariably accompany a pandemic (lockdown or no - without much government intervention there'd be millions of people being upset at the political leaders for doing nothing while people did).

    We can certainly have a debate about what the right mix of caution and optimism is for our country and what specific policies we ought to implement. But there is no need to engage in conspiracy theories, predictions of civilizational doom, or paint people with different ideas as enemies. Here is a productive suggestion: what did we learn about dealing with a pandemic in this country? What can we do differently the next time that will allow us to save lives and mitigate the impact? We need to act on these questions as a society, in addition to merely combating the current threats as such.

    South Korea is held up today as an example of a country that handled the pandemic extremely well. It has, by all accounts, much better than Sweden or Germany (despite having very close economic ties with China, the source country of the virus). A lot of people seem to attribute that to some sort of an HBD explanation. Yes, I don't doubt that their high average IQ and the competence of their bureaucracy helped a lot. But what I think really contributed their success was that their previous administration was embarrased greatly by being caught flat-footed by an earlier MERS epidemic (South Korea experienced the worst one outside the Middle East, the source region) and their government went to great lengths to beef up the public health system and prepared for the next epidemic.

    We ought to do the same here.

    Replies: @Znzn, @res

    Measured against these costs are very real possibilities that, without social distancing measures and/or lockdowns, the numbers of transmissions and deaths would have increased significantly due to “superspreaders” (the latest research is that 20% of the infected cause the 80% of the new transmissions)

    The research I see indicates it is likely to be even more skewed than that. See the discussion in this comment and paper:
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/cdc-finally-admits-touching-things-less-risky-than-talking-to-people/#comment-3919908

    Estimating the overdispersion in COVID-19 transmission using outbreak sizes outside China
    https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/overdispersion-from-outbreaksize.html
    https://akira-endo.github.io/COVID19_clustersize/COVID19_clustersize.html

    They conclude:

    For the likely range of R0>2 , the overdispersion parameter k was estimated to be around 0.1, suggesting that the majority of secondary transmission is caused by a very small fraction of individuals (80% of transmissions caused by ~10% of the total cases) (Liu et al.30462-1)). This suggests that the effective reproduction number could be drastically reduced by interventions targeting potential superspreading events.

    Note that final sentence. Used properly this could be a good thing for containment. It also means the herd immunity threshold would be lower than the classic estimate of 1 – 1/R0 because the superspreaders (who tend to be more socially connected) tend to become infected and then recovered first.

    • Thanks: Twinkie
  93. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Priss Factor

    Nobody needs to say or hear this garbage, and the only people who want to hear it are currently wondering which vegetable they'll be inserting into their nether regions tonight.

    And you can take that 'evolution' shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    And you can take that ‘evolution’ shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.

    We all know about your blind spot.  The evidence keeps piling up, and you’re only fooling yourself.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/06/24/fixation-index/

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mr. Rational

    This is pretty typical of you. No matter how bright the sunlight gets, you just keep pointing at the shadows in the cave and saying "so there".

    Replies: @iffen

  94. @WorkingClass
    First the scamdemic and then the insurrection. It appears that Orange Man is bringing the hammer down on the later. Antifa has finally become visible complete with it's connections to Academia and the DNC. Biden is now the Antifa candidate. If, and it is a big if, Antifa goes to prison then Orange Man deserves the credit. The virus is still there but the virus narrative is now obsolete. So far so good. Too bad the Empire/Dollar is dying as we speak and we have already entered an economic depression.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-06-01/amerikan-gulag

    Replies: @Justvisiting

    It is always good to ask “who benefits” from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?

    Since I am one of the “believers” in the reality of the CV, I believe there will be a second wave, and these riots were designed to guarantee it is severe.

    Who would benefit from a ferocious second wave?

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    @Justvisiting


    It is always good to ask “who benefits” from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?
     
    I don't think your establishment people have the mental resources or information to act in a cold calculated manner for their benefit. They're not Machiavelli (and even he failed when he practiced politics). It all looks like headless chicken actions with at most minimal thinking about their personal short term gains (the simplest being "I won't be seen as racist"). I've got a wise comment from Russian Livejournal on that matter:

    Considering the logic of processes, I am more inclined to see not some plan, but rather selection. Petty, spur-of-the-moment actions, just for the sake of doing something now, maybe wrong, but something. For complete inaction you will be punished immediately, for mistakes - maybe not punished at all or punished later.

    And all the actions combined steer it in an unknown direction.

    I've come across a metaphor: "We're sitting in a bus with windows welded shut, and the driver is looking through a slit."

    It's hard to accept, that's why various conspiracy theories or apocalypse predictions appear.

    Accepting that mere happenstance rules is hard, easier to explain it after the fact with a Reptiloid conspiracy.

    For the purposes of discussion: that policeman aptly named Chauvin could get sick, for example. He could go drink coffee. And never meet Floyd. He could meet him, but if there had been other circumstances before, he wouldn't press so hard. He could kill Floyd, but in absence of the guys who recorded the video.

    On the other hand, ghettos can't avoid blowing up from time to time because of their inherent nature: lots of young people without any prospects.

    But whether it will be just another riot or incur something serious, is hardly possible to predict in advance.
     

    Replies: @dfordoom

  95. This lady is a queen – giving it to a bunch of these white liberal guys that came into a poor black neighborhood and helped trash it thinking they did some awesomeness for the world, all the while writing “Black Lives Matter” on the sidewalk:

    She hits it on all the angles.

    Peace.

  96. @Mr. Rational
    @Intelligent Dasein


    And you can take that ‘evolution’ shit and flush it down the nearest commode. Evolution is no longer accepting clients.
     
    We all know about your blind spot.  The evidence keeps piling up, and you're only fooling yourself.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/06/24/fixation-index/

    Replies: @Intelligent Dasein

    This is pretty typical of you. No matter how bright the sunlight gets, you just keep pointing at the shadows in the cave and saying “so there”.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Intelligent Dasein

    you just keep pointing at the shadows in the cave and saying “so there”.

    At least he seems to be aware that the shadows are a result of the sunlight being blocked, unlike some commenters here.

  97. @Intelligent Dasein
    And yet, in order to maintain the Potemkin Prophylaxis, we have the ghastly spectacle of patients not being allowed visitors in hospitals and children not going to school. You can't go to a gym or a restaurant or a movie. Everything fun and exciting and magical was snuffed out and some hideous, autistic version of reality was put in its place.

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing. They destroyed the economy, broke the supply chain, and put 40 million people out of work after spending the last 20 years outsourcing and downsizing and globalizing and financializing the working man into oblivion. This country was a tinderbox before all this happened. The lockdown proved too much.

    A lot of these rioters are probably out of work and out of welfare and had nothing to lose. You better believe they're going to loot. They hardly needed an excuse. This is not even about George Floyd any more than WWI was about Archduke Ferdinand. The war has a life of its own now.

    Things are happening too fast to write a deep analysis. A crowd of cops was just ran down in Buffalo and Trump has threatened to send in the military. I am afraid that uninvolved bystandards are going to get hurt, either mobbed by thugs or blown away by overzealous police. America is going down in flames, and the spectre of war with China is somewhere in the room, grinning like the Cheshire Cat.

    The lockdown needs to be repealed immediately and anybody who ever favored it needs to observe a respectful silence lest the incalculable damage be charged to his account. This was one of the worst decisions in the history of the world and I am appauled to have witnessed it.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Twinkie, @nebulafox, @Jay Fink, @The Wild Geese Howard, @TomSchmidt, @Old Palo Altan, @Old Palo Altan, @another anon

    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    LOL.
    Many people were socially distancing for all their lives, long before normies came with this idea.

    They stayed in their rooms as always, away from virus, away from rioting mobs, away from normies like you.

    They have the last laugh.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @another anon

    That picture gives me mild anxiety. Please stop sharing it here... because, uh, schoolmarm says so!

  98. @Justvisiting
    @WorkingClass

    It is always good to ask "who benefits" from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?

    Since I am one of the "believers" in the reality of the CV, I believe there will be a second wave, and these riots were designed to guarantee it is severe.

    Who would benefit from a ferocious second wave?

    Replies: @Toronto Russian

    It is always good to ask “who benefits” from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?

    I don’t think your establishment people have the mental resources or information to act in a cold calculated manner for their benefit. They’re not Machiavelli (and even he failed when he practiced politics). It all looks like headless chicken actions with at most minimal thinking about their personal short term gains (the simplest being “I won’t be seen as racist”). I’ve got a wise comment from Russian Livejournal on that matter:

    Considering the logic of processes, I am more inclined to see not some plan, but rather selection. Petty, spur-of-the-moment actions, just for the sake of doing something now, maybe wrong, but something. For complete inaction you will be punished immediately, for mistakes – maybe not punished at all or punished later.

    And all the actions combined steer it in an unknown direction.

    I’ve come across a metaphor: “We’re sitting in a bus with windows welded shut, and the driver is looking through a slit.”

    It’s hard to accept, that’s why various conspiracy theories or apocalypse predictions appear.

    Accepting that mere happenstance rules is hard, easier to explain it after the fact with a Reptiloid conspiracy.

    For the purposes of discussion: that policeman aptly named Chauvin could get sick, for example. He could go drink coffee. And never meet Floyd. He could meet him, but if there had been other circumstances before, he wouldn’t press so hard. He could kill Floyd, but in absence of the guys who recorded the video.

    On the other hand, ghettos can’t avoid blowing up from time to time because of their inherent nature: lots of young people without any prospects.

    But whether it will be just another riot or incur something serious, is hardly possible to predict in advance.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Toronto Russian


    I’ve come across a metaphor: “We’re sitting in a bus with windows welded shut, and the driver is looking through a slit.”

    It’s hard to accept, that’s why various conspiracy theories or apocalypse predictions appear.

    Accepting that mere happenstance rules is hard, easier to explain it after the fact with a Reptiloid conspiracy.
     
    Yep. Almost everything that appears to be explained by conspiracy theories is actually explained perfectly well without conspiracy theories. The fact that sometimes stuff just happens is something that a lot of people will simply not accept.
  99. @Intelligent Dasein
    I think we need to have a frank discussion about what to do.

    Wry detachment isn't going to cut it right now. The nation is being torn apart.

    I have no idea how much reach this site actually has. I've often heard it speculated that Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson read The Unz Review. If that's true, I need you to listen.

    If there are any other active journalists, politicians, intelligence agents, Congressional staffers, or White House staff that read The Unz Review, I especially need you to listen.

    We need to form a consensus around the idea that this cannot be allowed to stand. This is the moment of crisis, the ernstfall; all the old political calculations mean nothing now. The old order is gone, the power vacuum is spreading, and somebody needs to step into the breach. If there is anybody out there who has President Trump's ear, get it now. Or somehow get it to me so that I can advise him. No, I'm not kidding.

    Mr. President, you are surrounded by enemies. The Democratic Party, the Deep State, and Woke Capital want to destroy you and want to destroy America. They are the ones behind the Covid-19 fakery and the nationwide rioting. You will not know who to trust, but you have a friend here.

    If you want to save yourself, if you want to save the nation, then now is the time to be the man we elected. You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election---they're going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to. Americans expect this and are crying out for it.

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    Declare an end to Affirmative Action after you have deployed the military to every major American city with a large black population. Let it be known that the days of pandering to violent blacks are over. Suspend all stock market trading for 100 days and use that time to de-list all the major purveyors of Woke Capital including Facebook, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Twitter, Target, Nike, and Apple. Make sure their fortunes are scattered to the winds and that their executive officers all end up in prison.

    And break off all trade with China. Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil. I don't care if it sounds impossible. If you do not do this, events will do it in spite of you.

    You, Donald Trump, have to lead America out of this nightmare and crush the forces of chaos. This is your moment; this is what we elected you to do. Your name can ring forever in history as the savior of the country, or it can be buried in foolish ignominy as the man who had all the right instincts and all the answers at his fingertips and who never lived up to his rhetoric.

    The choice is yours.

    Replies: @anon, @Priss Factor, @TomSchmidt, @nebulafox, @dfordoom

    You must evoke all your emergency powers. Seize the reins of power and govern without Congress if you have to. Cancel the election—they’re going to steal it from you anyway. Send in the military to stop the looting and violence; use lethal force if you have to…..

    Arrest the Democratic governors who are letting this transpire on their watch. Arrest Mark Zuckerberg, Jack Dorsey, Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Anthony Fauci, and Bill & Hillary Clinton. Shut down social media, CNN, and MSNBC. From now on explain everything you are doing directly to the American people on FOX News, nowhere else.

    It all sounds so easy. All you have to do is to overthrow the entire existing political structure and the entire government, throw away the Constitution, abolish the rule of law and establish a dictatorship. Year Zero!

    And those crazy antifa loons think that the far right wants to establish a fascist dictatorship, when in fact all the far right wants to do is to – establish a fascist dictatorship. But a good fascist dictatorship. Not one of those bad fascist dictatorships.

    Put the 40 million out of work Americans to work building and staffing new factories on American soil.

    Or put them to work building GULAGs. You’ll need lots of those. For the people you don’t just shoot out of hand.

  100. @Toronto Russian
    @Justvisiting


    It is always good to ask “who benefits” from the riots.

    We know the CNNs and MSNBCs of the world are egging on the rioters.

    We know the governors are refusing to call out the National Guard to save small businesses in their community, while many Mayors are playing footsie with the looters.

    So, who benefits? Who calls the shots?
     
    I don't think your establishment people have the mental resources or information to act in a cold calculated manner for their benefit. They're not Machiavelli (and even he failed when he practiced politics). It all looks like headless chicken actions with at most minimal thinking about their personal short term gains (the simplest being "I won't be seen as racist"). I've got a wise comment from Russian Livejournal on that matter:

    Considering the logic of processes, I am more inclined to see not some plan, but rather selection. Petty, spur-of-the-moment actions, just for the sake of doing something now, maybe wrong, but something. For complete inaction you will be punished immediately, for mistakes - maybe not punished at all or punished later.

    And all the actions combined steer it in an unknown direction.

    I've come across a metaphor: "We're sitting in a bus with windows welded shut, and the driver is looking through a slit."

    It's hard to accept, that's why various conspiracy theories or apocalypse predictions appear.

    Accepting that mere happenstance rules is hard, easier to explain it after the fact with a Reptiloid conspiracy.

    For the purposes of discussion: that policeman aptly named Chauvin could get sick, for example. He could go drink coffee. And never meet Floyd. He could meet him, but if there had been other circumstances before, he wouldn't press so hard. He could kill Floyd, but in absence of the guys who recorded the video.

    On the other hand, ghettos can't avoid blowing up from time to time because of their inherent nature: lots of young people without any prospects.

    But whether it will be just another riot or incur something serious, is hardly possible to predict in advance.
     

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I’ve come across a metaphor: “We’re sitting in a bus with windows welded shut, and the driver is looking through a slit.”

    It’s hard to accept, that’s why various conspiracy theories or apocalypse predictions appear.

    Accepting that mere happenstance rules is hard, easier to explain it after the fact with a Reptiloid conspiracy.

    Yep. Almost everything that appears to be explained by conspiracy theories is actually explained perfectly well without conspiracy theories. The fact that sometimes stuff just happens is something that a lot of people will simply not accept.

  101. @Bill Jones
    @Talha

    "Orwell had them sussed when he wrote :
    “Winston had disliked her from the very first moment of seeing her. He knew the reason. It was because of the atmosphere of hockey−fields and cold baths and community hikes and general clean−mindedness which she managed to carry about with her. He disliked nearly all women, and especially the young and pretty ones. It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy.”

    It is always the women.

    Replies: @Talha, @Rosie

    It is always the women.

    Yes, even when it’s the men. Any small part women play in a totalitarian regime established entirely by men is always exaggerated by woman-haters.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rosie

    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.

    Replies: @Rosie

  102. @Intelligent Dasein
    @Mr. Rational

    This is pretty typical of you. No matter how bright the sunlight gets, you just keep pointing at the shadows in the cave and saying "so there".

    Replies: @iffen

    you just keep pointing at the shadows in the cave and saying “so there”.

    At least he seems to be aware that the shadows are a result of the sunlight being blocked, unlike some commenters here.

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  103. @128
    Maybe Twinkie's comments just goes to show that East Asians are not suited to live in white countries because the median East Asian is a lot more risk averse than the average white, hence swamping them with East Asians will bring down their median levels of risk aversion for white countries? Since risk aversion is a heritable trait.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Yup. That’s why South Korea and Japan never did a total lockdown. Because those Asians are too risk-averse.

    • Replies: @128
    @Twinkie

    I would call political and social compliance with mandatory contract tracing evidence of risk aversion, I do not imagine how White Americans will allow their government to punish somebody for not submitting to mandatory testing after they have been exposed, I also remember that the evacuations of Americans from China in February had voluntary instead of mandatory quarantines, or at least your would say that East Asians are more culturally compliant than whites, which I treat as evidence of greater risk averse on average, since defying authorities is an inherently risky proposition, I would also interpret the lower crime rate among Asians vs. as evidence of greater risk aversion on average, since committing a crime is inherently a risky enterprise, in any case there is really no way to test these assumptions in a lab, so who cares? And since I am talking about averages here, the plural of anecdote is not data, but as I said before, none of these can really be proven one way or the other.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

    , @128
    @Twinkie

    You could argue that a risk averse society with a less risky behavioral pattern, would have a naturally compliant population, hence no need for mandatory lockdowns.

  104. @128
    @Twinkie

    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Toronto Russian

    Oh, I understand lots of fun, magical things have shut down. But everything? Not if you have a spouse, kids, dogs, etc.

  105. @Rosie
    @Bill Jones


    It is always the women.
     
    Yes, even when it's the men. Any small part women play in a totalitarian regime established entirely by men is always exaggerated by woman-haters.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.
     
    Yes, I get his point, but he's going to have to get up out of his armchair and produce some evidence for it. Otherwise, I'm calling him out as FOS.

    As usual, it's damned if we do and damned if we don't. We're either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  106. 128 says:
    @Twinkie
    @128

    Yup. That’s why South Korea and Japan never did a total lockdown. Because those Asians are too risk-averse.

    Replies: @128, @128

    I would call political and social compliance with mandatory contract tracing evidence of risk aversion, I do not imagine how White Americans will allow their government to punish somebody for not submitting to mandatory testing after they have been exposed, I also remember that the evacuations of Americans from China in February had voluntary instead of mandatory quarantines, or at least your would say that East Asians are more culturally compliant than whites, which I treat as evidence of greater risk averse on average, since defying authorities is an inherently risky proposition, I would also interpret the lower crime rate among Asians vs. as evidence of greater risk aversion on average, since committing a crime is inherently a risky enterprise, in any case there is really no way to test these assumptions in a lab, so who cares? And since I am talking about averages here, the plural of anecdote is not data, but as I said before, none of these can really be proven one way or the other.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @128

    So you will be happier if our Asians committed more crimes?

    I got news for you - most Western European whites have much lower crime/homicide rates than American whites.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @128

    the plural of anecdote is not data

    Forgive the autism spike, but it actually is. It may not be statistically significant data, but it's data.

  107. @Twinkie
    @128

    Yup. That’s why South Korea and Japan never did a total lockdown. Because those Asians are too risk-averse.

    Replies: @128, @128

    You could argue that a risk averse society with a less risky behavioral pattern, would have a naturally compliant population, hence no need for mandatory lockdowns.

  108. @Twinkie
    @Rosie

    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.

    Replies: @Rosie

    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.

    Yes, I get his point, but he’s going to have to get up out of his armchair and produce some evidence for it. Otherwise, I’m calling him out as FOS.

    As usual, it’s damned if we do and damned if we don’t. We’re either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    As usual, it’s damned if we do and damned if we don’t. We’re either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.
     
    1. That’s a straw man.

    2. You might be making a point unwittingly for those who hold women in low regard - that women lack a center and swing wildly from one extreme to another.

    3. Women being fanatical followers and being commissar types was not uncommon in communist countries.

    Replies: @Rosie

  109. @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    I don’t think you get his point. Men are the leaders, but women are the fanatical followers and the enforcers. That was certainly the case in communist regimes.
     
    Yes, I get his point, but he's going to have to get up out of his armchair and produce some evidence for it. Otherwise, I'm calling him out as FOS.

    As usual, it's damned if we do and damned if we don't. We're either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    As usual, it’s damned if we do and damned if we don’t. We’re either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.

    1. That’s a straw man.

    2. You might be making a point unwittingly for those who hold women in low regard – that women lack a center and swing wildly from one extreme to another.

    3. Women being fanatical followers and being commissar types was not uncommon in communist countries.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Twinkie


    3. Women being fanatical followers and being commissar types was not uncommon in communist countries.
     
    Good grief. I have not the slightest doubt of that, and indeed that isn't what OP said. He said, "it's always the women." All the while producing absolutely nothing in the way of evidence that women are particularly likely to be fanatics or snitches.

    If anything, being more machiavellian, I would expect men to be more likely to use the authorities to attack their rivals.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32130029/
  110. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Intelligent Dasein

    As much as I dislike rioters, anarchists, and prefer law and order, I have to wonder:

    Do I blame them for rioting? Not at all. Why even bother with law and order? What is there to preserve for us? Young whites have had our nations, our prosperity, and our future ripped away from us by greedy rich people, who, as you say, outsourced and downsized and financialized. Now they are H1-Bizing. And shutting everything down. I can't even enjoy muh ethnic cuisine anymore.

    Alot of the looters and most young whites in general don't realize this. They're on the "Fuck Drumphff" idiot train. But there are much bigger factors at play.

    The USA is going down in flames with Canada not far behind. China doesn't even need to fire a shot. Demographics are destiny and greedy people of different races wrecked the USA.

    Replies: @JohnnyWalker123

    What do you think of the situation of Canada vs US? Is Canada meaningfully better off in any way?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's colder.

    (C'mon, that's Gregory Cochran-caliber)

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

  111. @128
    @Twinkie

    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Toronto Russian

    Some people tend to be less risk averse than others? Otherwise there will be no test pilots in the 60s or Formula One drivers in the 50s and 60s when one driver was dying every fortnight or something like that.

    They risked only their own lives. The Covid situation as compared to car racing, is when a young guy stands by the track (debris from a crash may still hit him, but very unlikely) and remote controls a car where his grandma, asthmatic friend and doctor from a local hospital sit without seatbelts.

  112. @128
    @Twinkie

    I would call political and social compliance with mandatory contract tracing evidence of risk aversion, I do not imagine how White Americans will allow their government to punish somebody for not submitting to mandatory testing after they have been exposed, I also remember that the evacuations of Americans from China in February had voluntary instead of mandatory quarantines, or at least your would say that East Asians are more culturally compliant than whites, which I treat as evidence of greater risk averse on average, since defying authorities is an inherently risky proposition, I would also interpret the lower crime rate among Asians vs. as evidence of greater risk aversion on average, since committing a crime is inherently a risky enterprise, in any case there is really no way to test these assumptions in a lab, so who cares? And since I am talking about averages here, the plural of anecdote is not data, but as I said before, none of these can really be proven one way or the other.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

    So you will be happier if our Asians committed more crimes?

    I got news for you – most Western European whites have much lower crime/homicide rates than American whites.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Twinkie

    That's only if you include indios and mestizos as "white", which FBI statistics have done for many years.  Actual pure European descendants commit most crimes at about the same rate as their ancestral populations.

  113. @Twinkie
    @128

    So you will be happier if our Asians committed more crimes?

    I got news for you - most Western European whites have much lower crime/homicide rates than American whites.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    That’s only if you include indios and mestizos as “white”, which FBI statistics have done for many years.  Actual pure European descendants commit most crimes at about the same rate as their ancestral populations.

  114. @Twinkie
    @Rosie


    As usual, it’s damned if we do and damned if we don’t. We’re either too ideological or not ideological enough, too much empathy or too little, too principled or not principled enough.
     
    1. That’s a straw man.

    2. You might be making a point unwittingly for those who hold women in low regard - that women lack a center and swing wildly from one extreme to another.

    3. Women being fanatical followers and being commissar types was not uncommon in communist countries.

    Replies: @Rosie

    3. Women being fanatical followers and being commissar types was not uncommon in communist countries.

    Good grief. I have not the slightest doubt of that, and indeed that isn’t what OP said. He said, “it’s always the women.” All the while producing absolutely nothing in the way of evidence that women are particularly likely to be fanatics or snitches.

    If anything, being more machiavellian, I would expect men to be more likely to use the authorities to attack their rivals.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32130029/

  115. @Talha
    An ER doctor I know in the Chicago area:
    https://twitter.com/aasim_padela/status/1267277180796571650

    We're about to find out if we potentially just undid nearly three months worth of isolation effort. Let's see what happens!

    Also....pfffffshwahahahaha!!! These kinds of people are something else - seriously...LARPing at helping da' oppress'd!!!
    https://twitter.com/joshlecash/status/1267611553005621249

    "Here black man, I brought you a brick - we are so happy we could help uplift you!!!"
    https://twitter.com/redwins3_first/status/1267374064231948288

    Peace.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @The Wild Geese Howard, @Audacious Epigone

    My sympathies are entirely with the black woman in that exchange. I guess it’s why I’d make a terrible white nationalist.

  116. @nebulafox
    @Intelligent Dasein

    >Human life cannot endure social distinacing.

    I spent years in almost complete isolation. No friends. No job. Not much security. No purpose. No future. Nothing. It does psychologically impact you.

    But I have never felt the desire to loot, burn, and maim because of my frustrations, nor have I felt the inclination to tolerate, let alone "understand" those who would.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman, @Audacious Epigone

    You have an internal locus of control. The rioters do not.

  117. @Not My Economy
    COVID was a serious threat, to the elderly. The threat was used as a pretext for the lockdowns, which were a political/economic attack, i.e. warfare. The riots, another war move.

    Most likely, no COVID spike, but if there is one, then wow, they can pivot right back to lockdowns.

    Heads they win, tails you lose.

    A crazy game is developing between the blue state/city governments and the police.

    The mayor needs the physical authority of the cops cause otherwise the rioters will bash in his head with a 2x4. But the cops need the political authority of the mayor because otherwise their pensions are toast. So when the mayor says, you have to protect me, but you aren't allowed to protect yourselves... what happens? How long are the cops going to keep letting themselves get run over, shot, burned, etc etc.

    Replies: @Bill Jones, @Audacious Epigone

    Local solutions for local problems. The military should stay out. It is in middle America’s best interest that it does.

  118. @Too Long Didn't Read
    @anon

    Mostly laid-back FlyOverStan is pretty good right now. So far, anyway.

    I wrote too soon. Last night there was a half-baked try at a demonstration/ disturbance downtown in Flyoverstan, there wasn't much to it. However I have a confirmed report of a pallet of bricks dropped off by unknown persons. There's no construction going on, no renovation that would require pavers or cinderblocks, and nobody seems to know where they came from.

    This is not a big city. Yet a person or persons unknown pre-positioned a pallet of bricks that nobody ordered or wanted, in nowheresville, for pretty obvious reasons.

    If the US had a functioning intel agency that worked for US it would not be difficult to find out who's been dropping off pallets of bricks around the country, because there's always some sort of trail, paper and otherwise.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Use this handle instead of an anonymous one and your comments will auto-approve!

  119. @Anon
    Wondering what antifas membership numbers really are? 5,000, 10,000?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Much higher than that. From a Harvard-Harris poll earlier this year, we extrapolated nationwide numbers based on self-identifications. The ‘fringe’ figures are as follows:

    Democratic Socialist — 8.1% (20.6 million)
    Libertarian — 7.0% (17.8 million)
    Alt-Right — 2.2% (5.6 million)
    Antifa — 1.2% (3.0 million)

  120. @Daniel Williams
    OT, but insane enough to share:

    Facing a slew of media requests asking about how protests might be a risk for COVID-19 transmission, a group of infectious disease experts at the University of Washington, with input from other colleagues, drafted a collective response. In an open letter published Sunday, they write that “protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.”

    The letter and the experts who signed it make a case for viewing the protests not primarily as something that could add to cases of coronavirus (though they might), but as a tool to promote public health in and of themselves. Protests address “the paramount public health problem of pervasive racism,” the letter notes. “We express solidarity and gratitude toward demonstrators who have already taken on enormous personal risk to advocate for their own health, the health of their communities, and the public health of the United States.”
     
    So even if it spreads the ‘Rona (if you believe in that kinda thing) these bizarre religious rites in praise of blackness itself must continue. Remember “if it saves one life”?

    https://slate.com/technology/2020/06/protests-coronavirus-pandemic-public-health-racism.html

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    In 2019, nine–yes, nine–unarmed blacks were killed by police. Nineteen unarmed whites were. If a second wave results in response to street parties raising awareness, that’s worth it?

    Perhaps these labcoats will find God over the next month–because of the holiness of their cause, the good lord above has spared them all from catching covid! That looks to be about on par with the seriousness of these medical professionals.

  121. @Twinkie
    @Johann Ricke

    I really appreciate the sentiment. I've been alternating among being sad, angry, and in denial.

    I told my wife the other day that I feel like he didn't really die. I wasn't able to be his bedside due to the current restrictions. I felt like this was just a bad dream and, in a few weeks, he and I could go out and have a drink and talk about his stupid hospitalization experience.

    Then I realize he's gone and I get angry, to be frank. At God mostly. I'd like to think that He has some unknowable plan about all this, but it's a hard pill to swallow.

    Most of the time, I am just sad about it and think of his kids.

    I wasn't terribly affected when my father passed away or when my oldest uncle did. But it's a pretty big blow every time a friend dies. I guess it's because they are the people I chose to love.

    Anyway, thanks.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    Well put.

    That he had friends like you is a credit to him as a husband and father. It’s obvious that those he leaves behind will not be left to languish.

  122. @another anon
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Human life cannot endure social distinacing.
     
    LOL.
    Many people were socially distancing for all their lives, long before normies came with this idea.

    They stayed in their rooms as always, away from virus, away from rioting mobs, away from normies like you.

    They have the last laugh.

    https://i.imgur.com/VjNsbH9.jpg

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    That picture gives me mild anxiety. Please stop sharing it here… because, uh, schoolmarm says so!

  123. @128
    @Twinkie

    I would call political and social compliance with mandatory contract tracing evidence of risk aversion, I do not imagine how White Americans will allow their government to punish somebody for not submitting to mandatory testing after they have been exposed, I also remember that the evacuations of Americans from China in February had voluntary instead of mandatory quarantines, or at least your would say that East Asians are more culturally compliant than whites, which I treat as evidence of greater risk averse on average, since defying authorities is an inherently risky proposition, I would also interpret the lower crime rate among Asians vs. as evidence of greater risk aversion on average, since committing a crime is inherently a risky enterprise, in any case there is really no way to test these assumptions in a lab, so who cares? And since I am talking about averages here, the plural of anecdote is not data, but as I said before, none of these can really be proven one way or the other.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Audacious Epigone

    the plural of anecdote is not data

    Forgive the autism spike, but it actually is. It may not be statistically significant data, but it’s data.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  124. @JohnnyWalker123
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    What do you think of the situation of Canada vs US? Is Canada meaningfully better off in any way?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    It’s colder.

    (C’mon, that’s Gregory Cochran-caliber)

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @Audacious Epigone

    "Forty below keeps the riff-raff out."

    Except Trudeau is insistent upon importing them.

  125. @Audacious Epigone
    @JohnnyWalker123

    It's colder.

    (C'mon, that's Gregory Cochran-caliber)

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    “Forty below keeps the riff-raff out.”

    Except Trudeau is insistent upon importing them.

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