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First the percentages of Americans who believe Russia interfered in the 2016 US presidential election and then the percentages of Americans who think the US has ever interfered with an election in any other country (!).

Belief in Soviet sabotage:

Belief in American interference:

 
• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: Election 2016, Polling, Russia 
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  1. Conclusions:

    First: Most people are ignorant. Or fools. Or both.
    Second: The corrupt corporate media can brainwash a whole lot of people in 3 years.

    Neither one is exactly news.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  2. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    Smh. If someone has read even a few non-fiction books on espionage, foreign intelligence, etc., he or she will answer the second question with a resounding ‘yes’. Bestsellers like The Falcon and the Snowman talk about this. In fact, Boyce became a Soviet spy when he read secret CIA transmissions through TRW satellites discussing the sabotage of an Aussie politician in an Australian election who was not favorable to U.S. interests.

  3. Most Americans: Our government would never interfere in the elections of other countries

    Everybody around the world:

    Peace.

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
  4. So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than “Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!”

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel’s influence on politics is ignored.

    • Replies: @Fabian Forge
    Belief in the Russian Hoax surely tracks directly with the belief that America simply could not have preferred that man over Her. Any proposition which makes that result illegitimate must be true, however ridiculous.
    , @Ash Williams

    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.
     
    They have less reason to believe in the benevolence of our lord and savior, the USGOV.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than “Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!”
     
    12 years minimum of gov't indoctrination via schools, and a full-press propaganda machine during and after can do that to a midwit.

    That's breaking down due to the truthiness and unsquelchability of the Internetz (and the shitlords who run riot in their rule of it).


    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel’s influence on politics is ignored.
     
    For now.
    , @Realist

    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax?
     
    But not less than Whites.
    , @Vendetta
    Doubt that many Blacks or Hispanics are watching Rachel Maddow.
  5. @songbird
    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than "Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!"

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel's influence on politics is ignored.

    Belief in the Russian Hoax surely tracks directly with the belief that America simply could not have preferred that man over Her. Any proposition which makes that result illegitimate must be true, however ridiculous.

  6. @songbird
    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than "Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!"

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel's influence on politics is ignored.

    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    They have less reason to believe in the benevolence of our lord and savior, the USGOV.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than “Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!”

    12 years minimum of gov’t indoctrination via schools, and a full-press propaganda machine during and after can do that to a midwit.

    That’s breaking down due to the truthiness and unsquelchability of the Internetz (and the shitlords who run riot in their rule of it).

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel’s influence on politics is ignored.

    For now.

  7. Interfere in elections? Don’t we usually shoot them in the head? Or at best, get their own to do it?

  8. How can you avert nuclear war with that kind of mental disconnect?

    You can’t and it will happen.

  9. Hark! Will nobody rid me of these troublesome CNN airheads with steel, fire and insecticide and coughdust?

    CNN enlists help of fraudster Browder & Integrity Initiative ‘experts’ to fan Russia meddling claims in UK

    While the yet-to-be published report on alleged Russian meddling in Brexit is at the center of the political drama in the UK, CNN got the scoop from pundits – the usual suspects when it comes to the Russiagate narrative.

    Russiagate might have fizzled out in the US, but CNN apparently has no intention of giving up on the stale narrative – and is now peddling it across the ocean. Saturday’s scoop delves into testimonies submitted by “witnesses” during a UK parliamentary investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 Brexit referendum and 2017 general election. While the report, prepared by the Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) has not been released yet, and previous reports failed to turn up any damning proof of Russia’s influence, CNN’s bombshell conveniently revolves around the testimony of Bill Browder, a financier wanted for tax fraud in Russia and one of the leading champions of sanctions against Russia.

    CNN says that Browder’s was one of two written testimonies the channel got its hands on, in addition to being “briefed” on oral testimonies provided by two other witnesses.

    While it might be argued that Browder, the self-proclaimed “No. 1 foreign enemy” of Russian President Vladimir Putin, is a person whose words should hardly be taken at face value in matters related to Russia, CNN does not offer any critical analysis, but rather serves as a mouthpiece for the disgraced entrepreneur.

    About as solid as the CIA tromboneblower.

  10. Yougov is not an accurate source for polling data. Its weighted heavily with morons who believe any pablum the media feeds them.

  11. Where did they find these Hispanics? Only 30 percent of them believe America ever interfered in another country’s election?

    That throws serious doubt into the validity of this survey.

    If I had to defend how this might be true though; American Hispanics have just turned into slightly less feral blacks in social values and voting patterns. We may have just imported another under class who adopted the same grievances. Exact same apparantly, since only 30 percent of them know about banana republic and capitalist coups.

  12. The Regime Always Wins

    Yes most Americans are uninformed and unable to think for themselves.

  13. @songbird
    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than "Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!"

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel's influence on politics is ignored.

    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax?

    But not less than Whites.

  14. Seems like such a flabbergasting level of ignorance I’m inclined to question how representative the survey is. I can understand the first chart, russian interference being a newly minted article of the progressive faith (and being that “interference” is such a vague and broad term that under the broadest definition Russia definitely did interfere, like every other country).

    But the second is trult amazing, it’s not just that the US always interferes in virtually every foreign election, but that it’s simple public record that the US has more or less explicitly rigged elections in foreign countries and immensely pressured parties in many many others, that’s not something that the mainstream even denies, it’s one of the principle aims of neoconservatism. It’s not hyperbole to say I knew of instances of this when I was literally a child. Truly amazing if true.

  15. When you steal my cow it is bad. When I steal your cow it is good.

    Since it is good, it is not stealing.

  16. Well,

    after inundating the country with twenty years of fear mongering tactics of dire emergencies including near death “too big too fail” scenarios, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised at the results concerning the Russian interference — that any republican supports it is uninspiring.

    But in an information age in which one can readily obtain information without heading to a bookstore or library, the data set about our role in elections, indicates the general belief about the country’s “goodness” for better or worse remains intact.

    No the regime doesn’t always win, but with the right advertising, it can certainly make it appear that way.

    • Replies: @Anon
    No it always wins.

    But you're right. Even when ppl account for our imperial crimes. They still believe in our high ground
    They really believe that china is full of Americans waiting to shed their skin if not for the ccp
  17. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2"] says:

    Russiagate believers, all category, is 51%. This is the deluded group.

    To me, this shows that half the sample can be manipulated into believing absurdity via media bullish•t. If this is representative of our populace, then media rules at least half the populace. This half is the NPC group. That’s what they are.

    Big media controls half the people in USA. Toxic sh•t is injected into the collective public brain to drive the public into a controlled insane frenzy.

    Reality continues at its own pace and direction.

  18. But when America interferes in the elections of foreign nations it’s for virtuous reasons like ensuring (((freedom and democracy))).

  19. Shows once again that NAMs and lib women have few thoughts that stray beyond consumerism and entertainment. Otherwise they’d be assuming that the white male patriarchy had a history of rigging elections all over the world.

  20. America doesn’t bother to “interfere with elections”. They can just blow people to smithereens, depose politicians, throw countries into turmoil and civil war. But “interfering with elections”? Hell no. Democracy is sacred, dontchaknow.

  21. Steve2 [AKA "StillSteve2"] says:

    51% of the populace is brainwashed by big media lies.

    Brainwashed people are actual NPCs.

    Control of media is control of society.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  22. We north Americans live in the bubble.

  23. @EliteCommInc.
    Well,

    after inundating the country with twenty years of fear mongering tactics of dire emergencies including near death "too big too fail" scenarios, I guess we shouldn't be surprised at the results concerning the Russian interference --- that any republican supports it is uninspiring.

    But in an information age in which one can readily obtain information without heading to a bookstore or library, the data set about our role in elections, indicates the general belief about the country's "goodness" for better or worse remains intact.

    No the regime doesn't always win, but with the right advertising, it can certainly make it appear that way.

    No it always wins.

    But you’re right. Even when ppl account for our imperial crimes. They still believe in our high ground
    They really believe that china is full of Americans waiting to shed their skin if not for the ccp

  24. This does however show that US is quite good at integration.

    How deracinated do you have to be to be a Latino and believe that the US *never* interfered in *any* foreign election?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Deracinated or integrated, not necessarily. An ignorant peon living for the Bread & Circuses like much of the rest of the country, yes.
  25. Actually, I’m pleasantly surprised at the numbers who believe in US interventionism: It shows that a sizeable number of Americans are not willfully blind.

  26. @Anatoly Karlin
    This does however show that US is quite good at integration.

    How deracinated do you have to be to be a Latino and believe that the US *never* interfered in *any* foreign election?

    Deracinated or integrated, not necessarily. An ignorant peon living for the Bread & Circuses like much of the rest of the country, yes.

  27. anonymous[557] • Disclaimer says:

    Most of these people would have trouble finding Russia on a map so for them to believe illogical stories isn’t such a stretch, especially when the story is repeated endlessly on the hour by the media loudspeakers. They are just parrots who are not paid to think but just to do their jobs as they are told. Face it, the majority of Americans are downright stupid with the sizable black and brown population dragging the average down even further. Just look at popular culture and entertainment and estimate what its mental level is. It could be added that TPTB may like it that way since you never know when you might have a sudden need for a large amount of cannon fodder.

  28. @songbird
    So Hispanic Dems and black Dems are less likely than white Dems to believe in the Russia hoax? That is pretty interesting.

    I was pretty amazed when I first heard people assert that it was true. I wonder what explains it? Conformism? Susceptibility to brainwashing? The way it ties into virtue-signaling about race? I feel like it is something more than "Rah, rah, our side! Boo, the other side!"

    Maybe, it plays into some susceptibility to believe in invisible forces and witchcraft, but it is still amazing how Israel's influence on politics is ignored.

    Doubt that many Blacks or Hispanics are watching Rachel Maddow.

  29. I’m glad we interfered in Greece and Italy in the 1950s and helped save them from the horrors of communism.

  30. If Democrats are SHOCKED when they find out that Russia spent 250,000 on some Facebook ads, I wonder how they will react when they find out how much AIPAC spends?

    OT:

    Talking about interference. The Unz site for some reason has very little interest in Latin America (which is strange given that the U.S. is getting more “Latin American” every day) but the region seems to be in turmoil. Evo Morales just resigned after protests. Weird protests in Chile. New leftist/peronista government in Argentina after months of protests. Lula released from prison in Brazil during the presidency of his nemesis, furthering protests there too. What is going on? Is there some CIA interference too, or just a return to the normal instability of the region after a few atypical decades of democracy?

  31. “No it always wins.”

    Did not win in Syria, Iraq, Yemen . . . Venezuela . . .

    Now could argue that these debates are not over — but for the time being the regime in those instances did not win.

    In 2016, it suffered such a heavy loss it has not yet recovered. Apparently in Tuscon they made it clear, based on an article by Mr. Derbisher — they would not be a sanctuary city —

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    The regime always wins... until it doesn't.

    Seriously it seems things are going to get f#@$%d at some point and all I have is a savings account and some stocks. I don't even own a gun. Oh well.
  32. @EliteCommInc.
    "No it always wins."


    Did not win in Syria, Iraq, Yemen . . . Venezuela . . .


    Now could argue that these debates are not over --- but for the time being the regime in those instances did not win.


    In 2016, it suffered such a heavy loss it has not yet recovered. Apparently in Tuscon they made it clear, based on an article by Mr. Derbisher -- they would not be a sanctuary city --

    The regime always wins… until it doesn’t.

    Seriously it seems things are going to get f#@$%d at some point and all I have is a savings account and some stocks. I don’t even own a gun. Oh well.

  33. “The regime always wins… until it doesn’t.”

    I still intend to make a weapons purchase.

  34. That independents skew lower than whites taken as a whole is a victory for Trump, to be sure. Nearly improbable, honestly. The numbers otherwise tell of a very successful media campaign by Ds and their allies.

  35. Due to current events

  36. I imagine that probably about 50% of North Koreans believe their country is internationally popular, and WWII was started by the US.

  37. ” . . . and WWII was started by the US.”

    I don’t think there is much doubt for koreans that WWII for them is entirely the result of Japanese Ambitions.

    • Replies: @anon
    I don’t think there is much doubt for koreans that WWII for them is entirely the result of Japanese Ambitions.

    Uh..what?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Korea_under_Japanese_rule
  38. @EliteCommInc.
    " . . . and WWII was started by the US."


    I don't think there is much doubt for koreans that WWII for them is entirely the result of Japanese Ambitions.

    I don’t think there is much doubt for koreans that WWII for them is entirely the result of Japanese Ambitions.

    Uh..what?

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Korea_under_Japanese_rule

  39. All people commenting on this poll only show how out of touch with the real masses they are, how isolated they are in their bubbles, how they cannot comprehend the ignorance and disinterest of the average, and below average, “citizens”.

    Remember:

    Approximately 32 million adults in the United States can’t read, according to the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found that 50 percent of U.S. adults can’t read a book written at an eighth-grade level.

    https://medium.com/@OneYoungWorld_/32-million-american-adults-cant-read-why-literacy-is-the-key-to-growth-818996739523

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    Something like 40% of the USA is NAMs; betcha most of that 50% is part of that group.

    One more reason why they all have to go back; they are a drain on us.
  40. “I don’t think there is much doubt for koreans that WWII for them is entirely the result of Japanese Ambitions.”

    I might give you a technical agreement, but for Korea the war started with Japanese occupation and never ended until 1945. The Koreans don’t point to Germany with attitudes of recriminations, they point to Japan’s who occupation/colonial brutality increased as they expanded their empire.

    On a textbook exam, a Korean will note that Germany started WWII as well they should. But when it comes to brass bottom tacks about that period — Koreans look to Japan. But for them as a people

    Japan is the cause of woe.

  41. @another anon
    All people commenting on this poll only show how out of touch with the real masses they are, how isolated they are in their bubbles, how they cannot comprehend the ignorance and disinterest of the average, and below average, "citizens".

    Remember:


    Approximately 32 million adults in the United States can’t read, according to the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy. The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development found that 50 percent of U.S. adults can’t read a book written at an eighth-grade level.
     
    https://medium.com/@OneYoungWorld_/32-million-american-adults-cant-read-why-literacy-is-the-key-to-growth-818996739523

    Something like 40% of the USA is NAMs; betcha most of that 50% is part of that group.

    One more reason why they all have to go back; they are a drain on us.

    • Replies: @iffen
    One more reason why they all have to go back

    When they are in control they might decide that you have to go back.
  42. @Mr. Rational
    Something like 40% of the USA is NAMs; betcha most of that 50% is part of that group.

    One more reason why they all have to go back; they are a drain on us.

    One more reason why they all have to go back

    When they are in control they might decide that you have to go back.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    They have to live long enough to take office and then take action.
  43. @iffen
    One more reason why they all have to go back

    When they are in control they might decide that you have to go back.

    They have to live long enough to take office and then take action.

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