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Apropos the previous post, the partisan divide regarding the utility of the carceral Covid state has really opened up:

Parenthetically, what a disappointment the Libertarian party is. Could the circumstances have been any more ideal for a third-party putatively priding itself on liberty to have staked out a bold position starkly contrasting itself with the two establishment parties? Instead of echoing BLM, the ticket could have been making the case for allowing the country to open back up in April.

There is no constituency for lukewarm low-tax leftism. Enjoy an utterly forgettable campaign and 2% of the popular vote, I guess.

 
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  1. I doubt she’ll get 1%. And hopefully kill the Libertarian party with her.

  2. The Libertarian Party isn’t even a good protest vote anymore. Now one must be iméginative with write ins.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Diversity Heretic

    Agreed, D.H. There was Chuck Baldwin and his Constitution Party a few elections back. I'm a Libertarian, but Reason magazine idiots and the L. Party itself have doubled down on stupidity.

    Thank you for bringing up that good side point, A.E. I haven't kept up with those people, but, yes, this would have been an excellent opportunity for an honest Libertarian to gain lots of support. Were Ron Paul about 10 years younger ... Have you read his columns lately, A.E.? He's been right on the money regarding the Kung Flu PanicFest.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  3. The core policy goal of Libertarianism is the protection of the material interests of the oligarchy. America’s billionaires have gotten 845 billion dollars richer during the pandemic, so who cares at LP party HQ that Joe Sixpack’s restaurant has gone belly-up?

    All their talk of the entrepreneurial valour of the small businessman was just hot air. I am, however, not optimistic of this ideology going away for a decade or two; in fact, I suspect that after a considerable amount of time under the thumb of government lockdowns and medical bureaucrats, their time might finally have come.

  4. Now, at 59%, the Blacks disappoint me. In AE’s previous post, they shined with their 63% skepticism of the vaunted, upcoming, rushed, highly-profitable-and-totally-unnecessary vaccine.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Buzz Mohawk

    So black people when asked say they are big lockdown fans, almost as keen as Democrats.

    But I bet if you asked white people if they would object to a black family living next door, a percentage in the late nineties would answer "of course not!".

    I think revealed preference would say different in both cases.

    https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2020/06/29/police-to-speak-to-youtubers-after-crowds-flocked-to-birmingham-city-centre/


    The force said officers would be speaking with the event organisers, who had encouraged fans to meet in the city centre despite gatherings of more than six people being banned under the coronavirus lockown laws.

    Footage taken at the centre showed large crowds of people standing closer than two metres apart and pushing forward to see Canking and other vloggers.

    A spokesman for West Midlands Police said: "Three people were arrested during a large gathering of people in Birmingham city centre yesterday organised via social media. Crowds started gathering at around 2pm, and there were reports of small pockets of anti-social behaviour and disorder. By 8pm, most of the crowd had dispersed."

     

    At the time, people were barred from meeting in groups of more than six.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CB-x_NiHrFt/
  5. I love the intersection of Democrat, femininity, education, and blackness … the groups most succeptible to suggestion and prone to groupthink.

    • Agree: Realist
    • LOL: Mr. Rational
  6. This is nothing but a survey of who works in make-work jobs in Big Gov and Big Biz, being covered financially no matter what, versus those who are the independent people left in this country.

    Just look at the groups, and you can see where they fit on this divide. Oh, and the 65+ watch too much TV and have been scared shitless, is all.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Achmed E. Newman


    Oh, and the 65+ watch too much TV and have been scared shitless, is all.
     
    I am well over 65 and it does not apply to me...but I agree with your assessment.
    , @JasonT
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is the watching of the TV that is the cause of being scared shitless, not a person's age. If we all turned off our TV's, stopped reading MSM and simply looked around us, the 'pandemic' would disappear in a puff. (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  7. @Diversity Heretic
    The Libertarian Party isn't even a good protest vote anymore. Now one must be iméginative with write ins.

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Agreed, D.H. There was Chuck Baldwin and his Constitution Party a few elections back. I’m a Libertarian, but Reason magazine idiots and the L. Party itself have doubled down on stupidity.

    Thank you for bringing up that good side point, A.E. I haven’t kept up with those people, but, yes, this would have been an excellent opportunity for an honest Libertarian to gain lots of support. Were Ron Paul about 10 years younger … Have you read his columns lately, A.E.? He’s been right on the money regarding the Kung Flu PanicFest.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I have, and he is.

  8. @Buzz Mohawk
    Now, at 59%, the Blacks disappoint me. In AE's previous post, they shined with their 63% skepticism of the vaunted, upcoming, rushed, highly-profitable-and-totally-unnecessary vaccine.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    So black people when asked say they are big lockdown fans, almost as keen as Democrats.

    But I bet if you asked white people if they would object to a black family living next door, a percentage in the late nineties would answer “of course not!”.

    I think revealed preference would say different in both cases.

    https://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2020/06/29/police-to-speak-to-youtubers-after-crowds-flocked-to-birmingham-city-centre/

    The force said officers would be speaking with the event organisers, who had encouraged fans to meet in the city centre despite gatherings of more than six people being banned under the coronavirus lockown laws.

    Footage taken at the centre showed large crowds of people standing closer than two metres apart and pushing forward to see Canking and other vloggers.

    A spokesman for West Midlands Police said: “Three people were arrested during a large gathering of people in Birmingham city centre yesterday organised via social media. Crowds started gathering at around 2pm, and there were reports of small pockets of anti-social behaviour and disorder. By 8pm, most of the crowd had dispersed.

    At the time, people were barred from meeting in groups of more than six.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CB-x_NiHrFt/

  9. AE,

    Parenthetically, what a disappointment the Libertarian party is.

    This is part of your post template, right?

  10. I’ve gotten to the point where I no longer have any confidence at all in any numbers from YouGov. Check out their current results on the US presidential election at:

    https://today.yougov.com/2020-presidential-election

    In my home state of Tennessee, they show the following:

    2016: Trump 60.7 Clinton 34.7
    2020: Trump 57.3 Biden 40.7 (MoE 5.9%, LOL!)

    The idea that Trump has lost more than 3 points since 2016 in TN sounds extremely unlikely, and the idea that Biden is 6 points ahead of Clinton seems even more unlikely.

    Their US map shows WI, MI, NC and FL going for Biden. IMO, it seems quite unlikely that Biden will carry even one of those states. I’m guessing that YouGov has the same methodological biases as Dem water-carriers like Nate Plastic — oversampling of educated and government-employed people, especially women, and undersampling of working-class people, especially white men.

    Also, Epstein didn’t kill himself, and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.

    • Replies: @the one they call Desanex
    @PhilK


    ... and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.
     
    LOL. And Hunter Biden’s smile looks like Tennessee (I have to credit Reg Cæsar for that insight).
    https://compote.slate.com/images/01866ffc-c5ef-4837-9f41-469026e0a456.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0

    Replies: @PhilK

    , @Adam Smith
    @PhilK

    https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/bd5/755/93d6e6ae817a8a3e1e271217aa07670fc1-2-joe-biden-b.rsquare.w1200.jpg

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/ae435c55e571a9cb0ce361e2966cf3665f382db5146ef502371b4345822b79e2_1.jpg

    Replies: @PhilK

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @PhilK

    YouGov does oversample white liberals to the exclusion of everyone else. It's easy to see just by looking at the unweighted numbers. But it isn't worthless. Nationally, YouGov was one of the best performers in 2016.

  11. Particularly depressing is that the one obvious and safe almost-cure, humidification in winter, is hardly discussed. This virus is sharply seasonal, we are now seeing, and humidity is THE differential variable. Temperatures indoors are constant year-round but indoor humidity swings dramatically.

    See: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
    Miyu Moriyama, Walter J. Hugentobler, Akiko Iwasaki
    Annual Review of Virology 2020 7:1, 83-101

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

    See especially section 5.

    As the article explains, inhaling dry air has two especially harmful effects on the airways:
    (1) “Airway epithelial integrity” is reduced in dry air. “Inhaling dry air causes immediate airway epithelial cilia loss, detachment of epithelial cells, and inflammation of the trachea”

    (2) “Mucociliary clearance. MCC serves as a key mechanism for eliminating the inhaled pathogens and irritants from the respiratory epithelial surface. The double mucus layer with different viscosities enables efficient MCC (Figure 4). The viscous mucosal layer facing the airway cavity entraps microparticles and microorganisms, and the watery lower mucus layer adjacent to the epithelia (periciliary layer) transmits the force of the ciliated cells to move microorganisms and particle-containing mucus toward the outside”

    “Given that the MCC depends on the maintenance of double mucus layers with two different viscosities and a delicate osmotic balance, proper mucus hydration is required for an efficient mucus transport.”

    “Mucus dehydration caused by breathing air of low humidity leads to decreased MCC. Water loss of the mucus layer transfers to the periciliary layer, reduces its height, and immobilizes the pressed down cilia (Figure 4).”

    In summary, when you inhale the dry air of winter, your airway and respiratory system becomes damaged and inflamed, and also foreign particles are not cleared out well. In combination with Covid, the dry air of winter can be deadly.

    We have seen that the mortality rates amid the dry conditions of winter were far higher than what was seen in the summer.

    But why did humid Florida and Texas have outbreaks in the summer? Air conditioning is the biggest answer. Air conditioning acts largely by dehumidifying the air. In Africa, where there is extreme humidity and little air conditioning, COVID-19 was widely present (i.e. huge exposure rates) but did little damage.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why

    In Europe, where people don’t have air conditioners and indoor conditions are much more humid than in universally air-conditioned America, virus mortality plummeted dramatically to very low levels from June-August — and now it is sharply rising again.

    Humidifiers have been used for generations against respiratory infections in winter. It is a sign of the times that the basic insight about humidification to fight respiratory infections, like most basic insights, is lost in our modern dark ages.

    AE, will you do me the honor of upping this post? I would say it is tremendously important. If you look at all the charts now, seasonality is basically proven, especially with Europe which lacks air conditioning. And humidity is certainly the reason, for it is the indoor variable that swings wildly summer to winter, not temperature.

    • Thanks: Craig Nelsen
    • Replies: @Jedi Night
    @Dan Hess

    Why humidity? Why not just "when people spend too much time inside with windows shut". In the north that's winter. In the south that's summer. Temps dropped first on the northern plains states in October and they are the ones experiencing the spike now.

    More proof: middle latitude states experience reduced or almost no seasonality. Because they don't have to box themselves up for either season.

    Stating it out loud almost seems like a truism: we share germs better when in small spaces with poor air circulation.

    Your humidity thesis needs to start with the low humidity states like Arizona, or stfu

    Replies: @Dan Hess

  12. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is nothing but a survey of who works in make-work jobs in Big Gov and Big Biz, being covered financially no matter what, versus those who are the independent people left in this country.

    Just look at the groups, and you can see where they fit on this divide. Oh, and the 65+ watch too much TV and have been scared shitless, is all.

    Replies: @Realist, @JasonT

    Oh, and the 65+ watch too much TV and have been scared shitless, is all.

    I am well over 65 and it does not apply to me…but I agree with your assessment.

  13. +10 years or even +100 years would have been a better question, because that’s what it’s going to take, after the Republican idiots nearly destroyed this country (and themselves).

    Vote Biden-Harris 2020 in celebration of the shutdown’s negative effects on feminism and ethnik America!!! Donald Trump, the illegal alien drug smuggler’s candidate.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  14. @Achmed E. Newman
    This is nothing but a survey of who works in make-work jobs in Big Gov and Big Biz, being covered financially no matter what, versus those who are the independent people left in this country.

    Just look at the groups, and you can see where they fit on this divide. Oh, and the 65+ watch too much TV and have been scared shitless, is all.

    Replies: @Realist, @JasonT

    It is the watching of the TV that is the cause of being scared shitless, not a person’s age. If we all turned off our TV’s, stopped reading MSM and simply looked around us, the ‘pandemic’ would disappear in a puff. (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @JasonT

    For you and Realist, that's what I meant. The thing is that most retired people (assuming they retired at 65 or so) watch a lot of TV. Between their elevated risk, very slight to significant when you go from 65 toward 80, AND the TV watching, many get scared shitless.

    Regarding your second sentence, I agree completely.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

  15. Libertarians nowadays are potheads and upper middle class tax dodgers.

    They were never a serious political force, nor could they be.

    Individualism is a dead letter in a clash of tribes.

    Nationalism and tribalism are the New Normal.

    You’d all better get used to it.

    Collective action is what politics is all about.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @Dr. Doom

    LMMMFFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

    One minute of silence for this poor Tourette's-addled fool when he commits suicide on election night, white males and females having voted for Biden in record numbers.

    Replies: @usNthem

  16. @PhilK
    I've gotten to the point where I no longer have any confidence at all in any numbers from YouGov. Check out their current results on the US presidential election at:

    https://today.yougov.com/2020-presidential-election

    In my home state of Tennessee, they show the following:

    2016: Trump 60.7 Clinton 34.7
    2020: Trump 57.3 Biden 40.7 (MoE 5.9%, LOL!)

    The idea that Trump has lost more than 3 points since 2016 in TN sounds extremely unlikely, and the idea that Biden is 6 points ahead of Clinton seems even more unlikely.

    Their US map shows WI, MI, NC and FL going for Biden. IMO, it seems quite unlikely that Biden will carry even one of those states. I'm guessing that YouGov has the same methodological biases as Dem water-carriers like Nate Plastic -- oversampling of educated and government-employed people, especially women, and undersampling of working-class people, especially white men.

    Also, Epstein didn't kill himself, and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Adam Smith, @Audacious Epigone

    … and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.

    LOL. And Hunter Biden’s smile looks like Tennessee (I have to credit Reg Cæsar for that insight).

    • Replies: @PhilK
    @the one they call Desanex

    Yow! It sure does!

  17. Most of the people opposed to the lockdown aren’t libertarians, they’re Clevons who oppose the government only when it’s harming them. If it’s benefitting them at someone else’s expense, they’re all for it. I wrote a blogpost about how lockdown opponents go freely between “respect my negative right to be left alone” to “I am entitled to be provided with [service]:”

    https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/08/16/clevons-marching-on-the-linguistic-treadmill/

    The issue with libertarians is that they tend to believe that the culture of liberty which arose in British North America in the 1700s was just the natural human default and that its alternative, “socialism” is a modern aberration thought up in the universities. In reality, it’s liberty that’s the aberration, the result of a particular culture. The human default is extensive economic regulation, just not in the form of 19th-century scientific socialism.

    • Replies: @Not My Economy
    @Alexander Turok

    >oppose the government only when it’s harming them. If it’s benefitting them at someone else’s expense, they’re all for it.


    https://imgur.com/JHxibk4

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Alexander Turok

    The libertarian response is that a society devoid of slavery looked like an aberration and then it became the worldwide norm because humans are adaptable.

  18. An interesting thing I noticed is the Trump supporters I know think Hillary was a stronger candidate than Biden. They are focused on how old and senile Biden is and think he is the worst possible candidate the Dems could have picked. What they are missing is that Biden doesn’t generate the hatred that Hillary did. They are too focused on Biden and that’s why they can’t imagine him winning. They don’t understand the concept we have discussed here, Biden voters are voting against Trump not for Biden.

  19. @Dr. Doom
    Libertarians nowadays are potheads and upper middle class tax dodgers.

    They were never a serious political force, nor could they be.

    Individualism is a dead letter in a clash of tribes.

    Nationalism and tribalism are the New Normal.

    You'd all better get used to it.

    Collective action is what politics is all about.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    LMMMFFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

    One minute of silence for this poor Tourette’s-addled fool when he commits suicide on election night, white males and females having voted for Biden in record numbers.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @usNthem
    @JohnPlywood

    JP - seriously dude, the meds. You’re an xspecially angry young, middle aged or old man...

  20. JohnPlywood is obviously a paid troll.

    He’s too dumb to be posting here himself.

    Do you get $15 an hour? You’re not worth minimum.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  21. @JasonT
    @Achmed E. Newman

    It is the watching of the TV that is the cause of being scared shitless, not a person's age. If we all turned off our TV's, stopped reading MSM and simply looked around us, the 'pandemic' would disappear in a puff. (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    For you and Realist, that’s what I meant. The thing is that most retired people (assuming they retired at 65 or so) watch a lot of TV. Between their elevated risk, very slight to significant when you go from 65 toward 80, AND the TV watching, many get scared shitless.

    Regarding your second sentence, I agree completely.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You Achmed? Scared shirtless? Do tell!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

  22. @the one they call Desanex
    @PhilK


    ... and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.
     
    LOL. And Hunter Biden’s smile looks like Tennessee (I have to credit Reg Cæsar for that insight).
    https://compote.slate.com/images/01866ffc-c5ef-4837-9f41-469026e0a456.jpeg?width=780&height=520&rect=1560x1040&offset=0x0

    Replies: @PhilK

    Yow! It sure does!

  23. @JohnPlywood
    @Dr. Doom

    LMMMFFAAAAOOOOOOOOOOO

    One minute of silence for this poor Tourette's-addled fool when he commits suicide on election night, white males and females having voted for Biden in record numbers.

    Replies: @usNthem

    JP – seriously dude, the meds. You’re an xspecially angry young, middle aged or old man…

  24. Instead of echoing BLM, the [Libertarian] ticket could have been making the case for allowing the country to open back up in April.

    Yes, they could have made the case for opening up the country, but if they’re still like the Libertarians I knew in the 1980’s, they were probably too busy making the case for opening up the borders. In 1980 I voted for Ed Clark, in favor of legalization and against the War on Some Drugs, which was ramping up at the time. I thought the WOSD issues were much more important than open borders, but even then, open borders thing struck me as totally batshit, as it still does.

  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    @JasonT

    For you and Realist, that's what I meant. The thing is that most retired people (assuming they retired at 65 or so) watch a lot of TV. Between their elevated risk, very slight to significant when you go from 65 toward 80, AND the TV watching, many get scared shitless.

    Regarding your second sentence, I agree completely.

    Replies: @Jim Christian

    You Achmed? Scared shirtless? Do tell!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Christian

    Me, Jim? Nah, I'm not near 65, but, more importantly, I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational

  26. @Jim Christian
    @Achmed E. Newman

    You Achmed? Scared shirtless? Do tell!

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Me, Jim? Nah, I’m not near 65, but, more importantly, I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Achmed E. Newman


    I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!
     
    That's about the time that I stopped watching contemporary TV and contemporary movies.

    I still watch lots of TV and movies, but I only watch the old stuff (you know, the stuff that was made back when American pop culture really was pretty wonderful). I still have a TV set but I only use it for watching the old stuff.
    , @Mr. Rational
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Only 22 years ago?  What took you so long?

  27. @Dan Hess
    Particularly depressing is that the one obvious and safe almost-cure, humidification in winter, is hardly discussed. This virus is sharply seasonal, we are now seeing, and humidity is THE differential variable. Temperatures indoors are constant year-round but indoor humidity swings dramatically.

    See: Seasonality of Respiratory Viral Infections
    Miyu Moriyama, Walter J. Hugentobler, Akiko Iwasaki
    Annual Review of Virology 2020 7:1, 83-101

    https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-virology-012420-022445

    See especially section 5.

    As the article explains, inhaling dry air has two especially harmful effects on the airways:
    (1) "Airway epithelial integrity" is reduced in dry air. "Inhaling dry air causes immediate airway epithelial cilia loss, detachment of epithelial cells, and inflammation of the trachea"

    (2) "Mucociliary clearance. MCC serves as a key mechanism for eliminating the inhaled pathogens and irritants from the respiratory epithelial surface. The double mucus layer with different viscosities enables efficient MCC (Figure 4). The viscous mucosal layer facing the airway cavity entraps microparticles and microorganisms, and the watery lower mucus layer adjacent to the epithelia (periciliary layer) transmits the force of the ciliated cells to move microorganisms and particle-containing mucus toward the outside"

    "Given that the MCC depends on the maintenance of double mucus layers with two different viscosities and a delicate osmotic balance, proper mucus hydration is required for an efficient mucus transport."

    "Mucus dehydration caused by breathing air of low humidity leads to decreased MCC. Water loss of the mucus layer transfers to the periciliary layer, reduces its height, and immobilizes the pressed down cilia (Figure 4)."

    In summary, when you inhale the dry air of winter, your airway and respiratory system becomes damaged and inflamed, and also foreign particles are not cleared out well. In combination with Covid, the dry air of winter can be deadly.

    We have seen that the mortality rates amid the dry conditions of winter were far higher than what was seen in the summer.

    But why did humid Florida and Texas have outbreaks in the summer? Air conditioning is the biggest answer. Air conditioning acts largely by dehumidifying the air. In Africa, where there is extreme humidity and little air conditioning, COVID-19 was widely present (i.e. huge exposure rates) but did little damage.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/08/pandemic-appears-have-spared-africa-so-far-scientists-are-struggling-explain-why

    In Europe, where people don't have air conditioners and indoor conditions are much more humid than in universally air-conditioned America, virus mortality plummeted dramatically to very low levels from June-August -- and now it is sharply rising again.

    Humidifiers have been used for generations against respiratory infections in winter. It is a sign of the times that the basic insight about humidification to fight respiratory infections, like most basic insights, is lost in our modern dark ages.

    AE, will you do me the honor of upping this post? I would say it is tremendously important. If you look at all the charts now, seasonality is basically proven, especially with Europe which lacks air conditioning. And humidity is certainly the reason, for it is the indoor variable that swings wildly summer to winter, not temperature.

    Replies: @Jedi Night

    Why humidity? Why not just “when people spend too much time inside with windows shut”. In the north that’s winter. In the south that’s summer. Temps dropped first on the northern plains states in October and they are the ones experiencing the spike now.

    More proof: middle latitude states experience reduced or almost no seasonality. Because they don’t have to box themselves up for either season.

    Stating it out loud almost seems like a truism: we share germs better when in small spaces with poor air circulation.

    Your humidity thesis needs to start with the low humidity states like Arizona, or stfu

    • Replies: @Dan Hess
    @Jedi Night

    "Your humidity thesis needs to start with the low humidity states like Arizona, or stfu"

    Arizona is not uniformly dry. The dry months are May and June.

    https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Humidity-perc,phoenix,United-States-of-America

    Lo and behold, COVID lined up perfectly with the dry season in Arizona:

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=EnyYX7LmCIaFytMPg_C8yAk&q=coronavirus+arizona

    Did you even check before you brought up Arizona?

    Your 'indoors' thesis is total nonsense because unless you have an outdoor job, you are indoors almost all the time. And the very old and infirm, who are the relevant population, are essentially never outside. They are indoors ALL THE TIME.

    To use your language,

    "Your "indoors" thesis needs to start with why nursing home deaths were so much worse in northern places during the winter months when indoor air is dry, or stfu, because nursing home patients are indoors year-round."

    But even most active people are outside for a few hours a day only, unless you are homeless. Even in the best weather, very active Americans may be indoors 90% of the time (2-3 hours outdoors) and sedentary Americans are indoors or in a vehicle 99% of the time.

    The idea that the virus is seasonal because people suddenly go indoors in winter is refuted in the 2 minutes of thought it takes to notice that people are already indoors almost all the time. Of course few people actually think independently for two whole minutes.

    I shouldn't blame you for this 'everyone is driven indoors in winter' narrative (what are we, gypsies?) -- you are just parroting what you heard.

    That seems to be what constitutes intellectualism these days: Doing a great job repeating a dominant narrative while never thinking critically about it.

    Jedi Night: Why have humidifiers been sold to combat respiratory infections for 50 years? Were people just idiots that whole time for thinking the respiratory system, which is wet, benefits from moisture?

    If you are representative of the intellectual level of young people now, we deserve our doom.

  28. @PhilK
    I've gotten to the point where I no longer have any confidence at all in any numbers from YouGov. Check out their current results on the US presidential election at:

    https://today.yougov.com/2020-presidential-election

    In my home state of Tennessee, they show the following:

    2016: Trump 60.7 Clinton 34.7
    2020: Trump 57.3 Biden 40.7 (MoE 5.9%, LOL!)

    The idea that Trump has lost more than 3 points since 2016 in TN sounds extremely unlikely, and the idea that Biden is 6 points ahead of Clinton seems even more unlikely.

    Their US map shows WI, MI, NC and FL going for Biden. IMO, it seems quite unlikely that Biden will carry even one of those states. I'm guessing that YouGov has the same methodological biases as Dem water-carriers like Nate Plastic -- oversampling of educated and government-employed people, especially women, and undersampling of working-class people, especially white men.

    Also, Epstein didn't kill himself, and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Adam Smith, @Audacious Epigone

    • LOL: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @PhilK
    @Adam Smith

    Yup. I couldn't unsee it, even if I'd wanted to, LOL !!!

  29. @Adam Smith
    @PhilK

    https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/bd5/755/93d6e6ae817a8a3e1e271217aa07670fc1-2-joe-biden-b.rsquare.w1200.jpg

    https://img.ifunny.co/images/ae435c55e571a9cb0ce361e2966cf3665f382db5146ef502371b4345822b79e2_1.jpg

    Replies: @PhilK

    Yup. I couldn’t unsee it, even if I’d wanted to, LOL !!!

  30. @Alexander Turok
    Most of the people opposed to the lockdown aren't libertarians, they're Clevons who oppose the government only when it's harming them. If it's benefitting them at someone else's expense, they're all for it. I wrote a blogpost about how lockdown opponents go freely between "respect my negative right to be left alone" to "I am entitled to be provided with [service]:"

    https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/08/16/clevons-marching-on-the-linguistic-treadmill/

    The issue with libertarians is that they tend to believe that the culture of liberty which arose in British North America in the 1700s was just the natural human default and that its alternative, "socialism" is a modern aberration thought up in the universities. In reality, it's liberty that's the aberration, the result of a particular culture. The human default is extensive economic regulation, just not in the form of 19th-century scientific socialism.

    Replies: @Not My Economy, @Audacious Epigone

    >oppose the government only when it’s harming them. If it’s benefitting them at someone else’s expense, they’re all for it.

    View post on imgur.com

  31. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Christian

    Me, Jim? Nah, I'm not near 65, but, more importantly, I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational

    I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!

    That’s about the time that I stopped watching contemporary TV and contemporary movies.

    I still watch lots of TV and movies, but I only watch the old stuff (you know, the stuff that was made back when American pop culture really was pretty wonderful). I still have a TV set but I only use it for watching the old stuff.

  32. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Jim Christian

    Me, Jim? Nah, I'm not near 65, but, more importantly, I ditched the TV 22 years back. Felt good, man!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Mr. Rational

    Only 22 years ago?  What took you so long?

    • Agree: Ugetit
  33. I am a Libertarian and I agree. Lately the Jorgensen campaign has started coming out more strongly against lockdown but they lost opportunity to call it out back in March. Trouble is too much of party establishment consists of low tax liberals who followed the establishment line on Covid 19; the populist Ron Paul types are treated with contempt by them. There is an insurgency within the party, the Mises Caucus, that is trying to take over from the liberals and are gaining followers but they haven’t yet captured the party.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  34. @Jedi Night
    @Dan Hess

    Why humidity? Why not just "when people spend too much time inside with windows shut". In the north that's winter. In the south that's summer. Temps dropped first on the northern plains states in October and they are the ones experiencing the spike now.

    More proof: middle latitude states experience reduced or almost no seasonality. Because they don't have to box themselves up for either season.

    Stating it out loud almost seems like a truism: we share germs better when in small spaces with poor air circulation.

    Your humidity thesis needs to start with the low humidity states like Arizona, or stfu

    Replies: @Dan Hess

    “Your humidity thesis needs to start with the low humidity states like Arizona, or stfu”

    Arizona is not uniformly dry. The dry months are May and June.

    https://weather-and-climate.com/average-monthly-Humidity-perc,phoenix,United-States-of-America

    Lo and behold, COVID lined up perfectly with the dry season in Arizona:

    https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=EnyYX7LmCIaFytMPg_C8yAk&q=coronavirus+arizona

    Did you even check before you brought up Arizona?

    Your ‘indoors’ thesis is total nonsense because unless you have an outdoor job, you are indoors almost all the time. And the very old and infirm, who are the relevant population, are essentially never outside. They are indoors ALL THE TIME.

    To use your language,

    “Your “indoors” thesis needs to start with why nursing home deaths were so much worse in northern places during the winter months when indoor air is dry, or stfu, because nursing home patients are indoors year-round.”

    But even most active people are outside for a few hours a day only, unless you are homeless. Even in the best weather, very active Americans may be indoors 90% of the time (2-3 hours outdoors) and sedentary Americans are indoors or in a vehicle 99% of the time.

    The idea that the virus is seasonal because people suddenly go indoors in winter is refuted in the 2 minutes of thought it takes to notice that people are already indoors almost all the time. Of course few people actually think independently for two whole minutes.

    I shouldn’t blame you for this ‘everyone is driven indoors in winter’ narrative (what are we, gypsies?) — you are just parroting what you heard.

    That seems to be what constitutes intellectualism these days: Doing a great job repeating a dominant narrative while never thinking critically about it.

    Jedi Night: Why have humidifiers been sold to combat respiratory infections for 50 years? Were people just idiots that whole time for thinking the respiratory system, which is wet, benefits from moisture?

    If you are representative of the intellectual level of young people now, we deserve our doom.

  35. @Achmed E. Newman
    @Diversity Heretic

    Agreed, D.H. There was Chuck Baldwin and his Constitution Party a few elections back. I'm a Libertarian, but Reason magazine idiots and the L. Party itself have doubled down on stupidity.

    Thank you for bringing up that good side point, A.E. I haven't kept up with those people, but, yes, this would have been an excellent opportunity for an honest Libertarian to gain lots of support. Were Ron Paul about 10 years younger ... Have you read his columns lately, A.E.? He's been right on the money regarding the Kung Flu PanicFest.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    I have, and he is.

  36. @PhilK
    I've gotten to the point where I no longer have any confidence at all in any numbers from YouGov. Check out their current results on the US presidential election at:

    https://today.yougov.com/2020-presidential-election

    In my home state of Tennessee, they show the following:

    2016: Trump 60.7 Clinton 34.7
    2020: Trump 57.3 Biden 40.7 (MoE 5.9%, LOL!)

    The idea that Trump has lost more than 3 points since 2016 in TN sounds extremely unlikely, and the idea that Biden is 6 points ahead of Clinton seems even more unlikely.

    Their US map shows WI, MI, NC and FL going for Biden. IMO, it seems quite unlikely that Biden will carry even one of those states. I'm guessing that YouGov has the same methodological biases as Dem water-carriers like Nate Plastic -- oversampling of educated and government-employed people, especially women, and undersampling of working-class people, especially white men.

    Also, Epstein didn't kill himself, and Montana looks like Joe Biden sniffing Idaho.

    Replies: @the one they call Desanex, @Adam Smith, @Audacious Epigone

    YouGov does oversample white liberals to the exclusion of everyone else. It’s easy to see just by looking at the unweighted numbers. But it isn’t worthless. Nationally, YouGov was one of the best performers in 2016.

  37. @Alexander Turok
    Most of the people opposed to the lockdown aren't libertarians, they're Clevons who oppose the government only when it's harming them. If it's benefitting them at someone else's expense, they're all for it. I wrote a blogpost about how lockdown opponents go freely between "respect my negative right to be left alone" to "I am entitled to be provided with [service]:"

    https://alexanderturok.wordpress.com/2020/08/16/clevons-marching-on-the-linguistic-treadmill/

    The issue with libertarians is that they tend to believe that the culture of liberty which arose in British North America in the 1700s was just the natural human default and that its alternative, "socialism" is a modern aberration thought up in the universities. In reality, it's liberty that's the aberration, the result of a particular culture. The human default is extensive economic regulation, just not in the form of 19th-century scientific socialism.

    Replies: @Not My Economy, @Audacious Epigone

    The libertarian response is that a society devoid of slavery looked like an aberration and then it became the worldwide norm because humans are adaptable.

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