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From the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, positions of primary voters on five immigration issues:

Note that primary supporters of “Another Democrat” (whatever became of Jim Webb?) were more hawkish on every question than John Kasich’s primary voters. Several of those endangered Blue Dogs crossed over to Trump’s GOP. The Ohio governor has a speaking spot at next week’s Democratic National Convention. The realignment continues.

Parenthetically, the idea that many Sanders supporters were “based” on immigration is a restrictionist fantasy. It wasn’t true in 2016 and it’s even less true now.

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  1. Note the “Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants.”

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

    Business, as in anybody who creates a job. Left, Democrat voters see things this way because to them anything that resembles initiative and hard work is evil, because it is something the can’t do. Ergo, they turn to government for the kind of amorphous, “big enough to be ignored like water to a fish,” support they need to go on breathing and breeding.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Or they're just law & order + stick it to the man types।।

    Western middle class conformity V
    Eastern bohemian/cosmopol hierarchy
    North America wise

    Great Lakes seems to be the transition zone.

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history: viz, that America is not an actual nation conceived and built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all -- and that every poor brown goblin pauper on the face of the earth deserves a cookie. And if you don't want to share all your magic cookies with every sniffling tearful nino on the face of the earth, and are worried about being out-bred and thus out-voted, then you are evil racist nazi scum who must renounce your privilege and wash the feet.

    Ultimately it's a Jewish conception, because Jews just naturally believe that they own, and are the natural moral masters of, any place they happen to wash up, after having been run out of town the previous time for the exact same reasons. So: you didn't create your own country, goyim, it belongs to everyone, and... especially to the Jews.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @Mario Partisan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Note the “Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants.”

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

     

    Whatever the psychology of the average Blue-team voter, I think there is a kind of real-world practicality in the position of “grand-fathering in” the current, other-wise law abiding, illegals, while targeting employers with stiff penalties for hiring any more.

    In line with Mr. Unz’s recent article on WNism’s political bankruptcy, I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.

    If the Blue-team suffers from schizophrenia, perhaps much of the Red-team suffers Stockholm syndrome. In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers. The fact is that those trespassers are here because the business class wants them here.

    And they are here as part of a holistic strategy to eviscerate the bargaining power of the working class, in all nations. It is no coincidence that illegal immigration took off following the 1994 passage of NAFTA. When you look at that trade agreement, passed by Clinton in collaboration with Gingrich’s GOP, you see that it was comprehensive in its primitive accumulation goals: eliminate Mexican protectionism, flood Mexico with agribusiness maize, uproot the ejido system, and force the rural class of Mexico north to work in the maquilas along the border and domestic US service sector.

    Perhaps, those who want to direct their anger against one of the most powerless groups of people in the world, while defending the class of oligarchic financiers that thrives on the exploitation of all, deserve their lot. As long as Americans side with Lucifer’s children, they will deserve the hell on earth they have chosen.

    Goys of the world, unite!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  2. This is going to be in all caps because the answer is as blindingly obvious as it always was.

    ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS THROUGH STRONG ACTIONS AGAINST BUSINESSES THAT BREAK THEM. EVERYONE SUPPORTS THIS.

    BUSINESSES ARE ALSO MUCH EASIER TO MAKE COMPLY WITH LAWS THAN POTENTIAL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS OR RANDOM PRIVATE CITIZENS.

    AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH

    • Agree: Mr. Rational, Corvinus
  3. Hey, AE, give yourself a pat on the back for predicting Kamala Harris would be the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee. Biden picked her for the VP slot and given the state of Biden’s health, that makes her the real Democratic nominee. Kudos, sir!

  4. Kamala Harris, future U.S. president!

    Even better choice than Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho, as she’s a female, but perhaps it would be even better if it was a transgender! Oh well, perhaps she can transition while in power.

  5. @Buzz Mohawk
    Note the "Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants."

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

    Business, as in anybody who creates a job. Left, Democrat voters see things this way because to them anything that resembles initiative and hard work is evil, because it is something the can't do. Ergo, they turn to government for the kind of amorphous, "big enough to be ignored like water to a fish," support they need to go on breathing and breeding.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mario Partisan

    Or they’re just law & order + stick it to the man types।।

    Western middle class conformity V
    Eastern bohemian/cosmopol hierarchy
    North America wise

    Great Lakes seems to be the transition zone.

  6. Sorry, AE.

    Securing the Black vote is far more important for Trump. Kushner said so himself.

    After all, the Democrats are the real racists.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    @Anonymous


    After all, the Democrats are the real racists.
     
    Because they know the score. They have 200 years of intimate contact with blacks to draw on.

    They don't believe the Second Amendment applies to blacks. Nor did the Founders, nor any Americans before 1854. The major question of the day was on which continent a race so degraded as to be beneath the right to self-defense should live.
  7. @Buzz Mohawk
    Note the "Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants."

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

    Business, as in anybody who creates a job. Left, Democrat voters see things this way because to them anything that resembles initiative and hard work is evil, because it is something the can't do. Ergo, they turn to government for the kind of amorphous, "big enough to be ignored like water to a fish," support they need to go on breathing and breeding.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mario Partisan

    The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history: viz, that America is not an actual nation conceived and built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all — and that every poor brown goblin pauper on the face of the earth deserves a cookie. And if you don’t want to share all your magic cookies with every sniffling tearful nino on the face of the earth, and are worried about being out-bred and thus out-voted, then you are evil racist nazi scum who must renounce your privilege and wash the feet.

    Ultimately it’s a Jewish conception, because Jews just naturally believe that they own, and are the natural moral masters of, any place they happen to wash up, after having been run out of town the previous time for the exact same reasons. So: you didn’t create your own country, goyim, it belongs to everyone, and… especially to the Jews.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history"

    Actually, quite a few Americans regardless of ideology believe that America was a nation conceived and built by a group of people, originally European, to create a better there here. Along the way, this notion has included non-Europeans.

    "Ultimately it’s a Jewish conception"

    Actually, it's an American conception.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  8. I wonder what the numbers would be if, 1.) they had been given an honest figure for the number of illegals, and 2.) been told about the Reagan-era amnesty. 3.) The cost of illegals. 4.) And about how dysfunctional their countries of origin are. 5.) And Jason Richwine’s work – the explanation.

  9. The wise state doesn’t allow national suicide, even if by will of the people.

  10. I’ve been saying the same thing about Sanders over at Lion of the Blogosphere’s blog. For some reason, some commenters there kept defending him as somehow one of the “good, old” FDR-style leftists who cared only about the economic condition of the American worker. People latch onto that one Vox interview from 2016 in which he said he opposed open borders, and ignore the fact that immediately after that interview, he did a complete 180 and completely accepted the woke SJW party line on everything from immigration to transgenderism and has been totally consistent in that ever since.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Hermes

    Racism is the ultimate gotcha for disarming pro-worker socialists on the left. Oh, you want universal healthcare and UBI? How can you want that when black bodies are being literally gunned down in the street? Are you RACIST?

    Woke Capital has total control over the left. Bernie had to let black demonstrators interrupt his speech in 2012. Or was it in 2016? It doesn't matter. The Blacks are Holy. Of course he had to walk back all his pro-restriction rhetoric. He doesn't want to be RACIST.

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.

    Harris is not even that good a choice for VP. It's pure triumphalism over the Sanders wing. Just LOOK at this blatant game-player and corporate water-carrier we are picking! Haha, I'm Rick James, bitch!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @A123

  11. All those months ago, AE predicted Kamala as the Democrat nominee. As it turns out, in a round about way at least, he was right after all.

  12. I agree with the Trump voters on immigration…yet Trump has done nothing his supporters wanted on immigration.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Realist

    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains (1)


    President Trump will expand an executive order on Monday, halting a series of visa programs that bring hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to the United States to take American jobs.

    The order will halt the inflow of foreign worker pipelines until at least December 31. The visa programs suspended include:

    -- H-1B visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    -- H-4 visas, who are the spouses of H-1B visa holders
    -- H-2B visas, who take blue-collar nonagricultural U.S. jobs
    -- L visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    -- J-1 visas, who take a variety of blue-collar and white-collar U.S. jobs

    “Obviously American workers have been hurt, and it’s nobody’s fault that the coronavirus hit, but it did do a blow to the economy and to businesses who were furloughing and laying people off, and we want to make sure that Americans get hired into those spots,” said Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli.

    Altogether, the order is expected to free up about 600,000 American jobs
     
    Your only other option is Biden-Harris.

    As much as you dislike Trump, is it not obvious that the SJW Globalist ticket is much worse?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/22/trump-halts-foreign-visa-worker-programs-to-free-up-600k-u-s-jobs-for-americans/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  13. If Trump has any brains, the four words he needs to very publicly utter as an October Surprise are, “Jared, you are fired !”

  14. @Realist
    I agree with the Trump voters on immigration...yet Trump has done nothing his supporters wanted on immigration.

    Replies: @A123

    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains (1)

    President Trump will expand an executive order on Monday, halting a series of visa programs that bring hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to the United States to take American jobs.

    The order will halt the inflow of foreign worker pipelines until at least December 31. The visa programs suspended include:

    — H-1B visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    — H-4 visas, who are the spouses of H-1B visa holders
    — H-2B visas, who take blue-collar nonagricultural U.S. jobs
    — L visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    — J-1 visas, who take a variety of blue-collar and white-collar U.S. jobs

    “Obviously American workers have been hurt, and it’s nobody’s fault that the coronavirus hit, but it did do a blow to the economy and to businesses who were furloughing and laying people off, and we want to make sure that Americans get hired into those spots,” said Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli.

    Altogether, the order is expected to free up about 600,000 American jobs

    Your only other option is Biden-Harris.

    As much as you dislike Trump, is it not obvious that the SJW Globalist ticket is much worse?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/22/trump-halts-foreign-visa-worker-programs-to-free-up-600k-u-s-jobs-for-americans/

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @A123


    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains
     
    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump's EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers


    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/13/state-dept-guts-donald-trumps-curbs-on-fortune-500-visa-workers/

    Replies: @A123

  15. > The realignment continues.

    Yes, but realignment doesn’t mean good. What’s happening is basically anybody who is anybody is aligning with the Dems.

    The GOP realigning to a worker’s party is cool if it happens, but it will still be a permanent loser if it has no support among the top strata.

    Professional class plus ownership class plus lumpen vote bank vs the majority of Americans who don’t vote and are 2 missed paychecks away from poverty

    Like this is not a recipe for political success, this is how you get genocide

    I am firmly anti blackpill, I’m saying let’s figure this out from a realistic point of view.

  16. What can not go on won’t.

    FEDGOV doesn’t have the money to assure compliance anymore.

    This defund cops and military is a factor of the imminent bankruptcy.

    This FAILED STATE cannot continue.

    Trump tried to save it, but the Swamp doesn’t want saving.

    How many of the Swamp Creatures are dual-citizens?

    They may have to FLEE come 2021 A.D.

    • Replies: @Lowe
    @Dr. Doom

    Biden and the interests backing him made it clear with their choice of Harris, that defunding the police is not happening.

    The state is anything but failed. All moneyed and landed interests are lining up with the blue machine, taking public loyalty oaths in their BLM statements. This coming after they absolutely crushed Sanders.

    The state has never been so strong.

  17. I wrote this in 2018 about that Kentucky lady with some German ancestry named Ann Coulter and Trumpy and the immigration question and the 2016 GOP presidential primary:

    Ann Coulter knows that Trump won the 2016 GOP presidential primary and the presidency because of the IMMIGRATION issue.

    I love this wonderful White gal Ann Coulter, especially after finding out that I am about her height. I thought she was 6 foot tall, turns out she’s about 5 feet 9 inches tall.

    Despite her demented political dalliances with that Mammonite Mormon Mittens Romney in the past, Ann Coulter has emerged as a strong lady leader in the movement to protect and defend the USA by stopping open borders mass immigration and by deporting all illegal alien invaders.

    I would have gone to see Ann Coulter with Howie Carr, but I’m not forking over 35 dollars to Howie Carr, especially after Carr attacked Capuano’s beer gut. Howie, how could you? That’s not nice, Howie!

    Ann Coulter and many others, including this writer, saw right away that IMMIGRATION was the issue pushing Trump to the top in the 2016 GOP presidential primary.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/coulter-no-more-mr-white-guy/#comment-2540532

    Tweet from 2015:

  18. What about “Trump and/or Sanders” supporters? They were legion in the last election and you people pretend like they don’t exist. They are working class and supposedly conservative, and yet would gladly have voted for Sanders had he run against a mainstream Republican, had they not had Trump to vote for. I suspect these voters oppose immigration. As does Bernie Sanders. At least when he’s not being brow-beaten into mouthing the party line.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @obwandiyag

    Bernie Sanders used to believe open borders was a "Koch brothers idea". Now he's a Koch brother. Bernie Bros abandoned all issues economic and joined the anti-racist cult.

  19. @Dr. Doom
    What can not go on won't.

    FEDGOV doesn't have the money to assure compliance anymore.

    This defund cops and military is a factor of the imminent bankruptcy.

    This FAILED STATE cannot continue.

    Trump tried to save it, but the Swamp doesn't want saving.

    How many of the Swamp Creatures are dual-citizens?

    They may have to FLEE come 2021 A.D.

    Replies: @Lowe

    Biden and the interests backing him made it clear with their choice of Harris, that defunding the police is not happening.

    The state is anything but failed. All moneyed and landed interests are lining up with the blue machine, taking public loyalty oaths in their BLM statements. This coming after they absolutely crushed Sanders.

    The state has never been so strong.

  20. As far as I can tell, Covid seems to be increasingly a disease of immigrants especially hispanics. 25% of the cases in Florida are in heavily hispanic Miami/Dade though that only accounts for 12.5% of the state population. There are also large clusters where farmworkers live. In North Carolina, as of a couple of weeks ago 55% of new infections were of hispanics, though they are only 15% of the state population. Seems to be the same in California and Texas too. Northern California isn’t nearly as badly hit as Los Angeles and the Central Valley.

    It doesn’t seem to be genetic. Its more of a cultural/economic thing. Hispanics live in smaller more crowded homes and trailers and don’t engage in social distancing. Of course the same could be said of many other immigrants which is why New York City was hit so hard.

    There is also the problem that illegals don’t quality for Federal aid programs and are losing their jobs at a much higher rate. Unemployed hispanics will just keep on getting infected and show up in our hospitals becoming a blight and a burden on the nation. Liberal governors and mayors won’t have the money to deal with their diseased illegal population so there maybe a real negative reaction to these unwanted people now that they no economic value.

    • Replies: @Black Woman
    @unit472

    Actually, in California, being a Republican county is associated with greater risk of infection.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/who-you-are/202008/is-political-tribalism-spreading-covid-19-in-california

  21. I hope Trump and the rancid Republican Party get electorally crushed in November.

    I hope Mitch McConnell loses in Kentucky.

    Mitch McConnell pushes mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Mitch McConnell voted for Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders. Mitch McConnell has shady connections to the Chinese Communist Party and McConnell puts the interests of Israel ahead of the interests of the USA.

    The Republican Party must be electorally destroyed so as to create the conditions for the emergence of the growing political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA.

    John Kasich is a horrible fraud who operates as a well-paid politician whore for plutocrats and Upper Middle Class White treasonites and transnational corporations.

    John Kasich pushes nation-wrecking open borders mass immigration and amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

    John Kasich is a member of the GOP Cheap Labor Faction.

    John Kasich is also a complete and total whore for the Neo-Conservative faction of the GOP.

    Tweet from 2015:

  22. @Hermes
    I've been saying the same thing about Sanders over at Lion of the Blogosphere's blog. For some reason, some commenters there kept defending him as somehow one of the "good, old" FDR-style leftists who cared only about the economic condition of the American worker. People latch onto that one Vox interview from 2016 in which he said he opposed open borders, and ignore the fact that immediately after that interview, he did a complete 180 and completely accepted the woke SJW party line on everything from immigration to transgenderism and has been totally consistent in that ever since.

    Replies: @Lowe

    Racism is the ultimate gotcha for disarming pro-worker socialists on the left. Oh, you want universal healthcare and UBI? How can you want that when black bodies are being literally gunned down in the street? Are you RACIST?

    Woke Capital has total control over the left. Bernie had to let black demonstrators interrupt his speech in 2012. Or was it in 2016? It doesn’t matter. The Blacks are Holy. Of course he had to walk back all his pro-restriction rhetoric. He doesn’t want to be RACIST.

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.

    Harris is not even that good a choice for VP. It’s pure triumphalism over the Sanders wing. Just LOOK at this blatant game-player and corporate water-carrier we are picking! Haha, I’m Rick James, bitch!

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Lowe


    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right
     
    Do you honestly think there's the slightest chance of that happening?

    The Left doesn't give a damn about the working class, but the Right actively enjoys seeing them suffer.
    , @A123
    @Lowe


    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.
     
    Left and Right no longer exist. The sides are now:

    -- Globalists -- SJW's, Internatonal Corporations, NeoConDemocrats
    -- Populists -- Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)

    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support. Look at the recent TVA situation where Trump bludgeoned them into doing the right thing. (1)

    "The leadership of TVA has canceled all of the layoffs — they've given hundreds of American workers their jobs back and they are being rehired as we speak," Trump said during a weekend news briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.
    ...
    TVA's new interim chairman John Ryder called the agency's previous decision to outsource about 20% of the IT staff a "faulty" choice, and TVA CEO Jeff Lyash said "we were wrong" to try to replace workers with contractors during the coronavirus pandemic, which has cost millions of U.S. jobs.
     
    If you want jobs for U.S. Citizens... Voting for Trump is essential.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2020/aug/07/trump-says-he-delivered-major-victory-tva-workers-week/529368/

    Replies: @dfordoom

  23. Mr. Epigone says:

    Note that primary supporters of “Another Democrat” (whatever became of Jim Webb?) were more hawkish on every question than John Kasich’s primary voters. Several of those endangered Blue Dogs crossed over to Trump’s GOP. The Ohio governor has a speaking spot at next week’s Democratic National Convention. The realignment continues.

    I say:

    The realignment fracturing that awaits the electorally wounded Republican Party on November 3 must be looked at as the factional dissolution of a DODO political party called the Republican Party.

    The Democrat Party is going to have its own dance with dissolution too, but they’ll hold the White House and they’ll be doling out big conjured up cash to states and cities and maybe even individuals through an AOC/Markey type cash drop from the Bernanke Helicopters.

    I wrote this in March of 2019 to describe the many factions in the rotting and soon-to-croak Republican Party:

    Partition is a good word for what is coming.

    Let’s start politically with first past the post two-party partitionism. The English winner takes all, first past the post electoral system produces a two-party system. I think it was John O’Sullivan who suggested that the GOP could have 5 or so partitioned political parties within the GOP.

    My fast description of 5 parties within GOP:

    1) Sam Francis Founding Father political party that explicitly recognizes the United States as a British Protestant or European Christian nation and features Buchananite economic patriotism. White Core American Patriots would take over the electronic currency(money) and the electronic propaganda and the electronic command and control of the various weapons systems of the US military and the US signals intelligence apparatus. America First in all matters, especially foreign policy.

    2) George W Bush GOP of rich WASP turds who only have money-grubbing and national dissolution on their minds. Israel First foreign policy.

    3) John Kasich GOP globalizer and mass legal immigration and monetary extremism and upper middle class greed covered up by fake concern for lower middle class and working class. Israel First foreign policy.

    4) John McCain and Mitt Romney GOP of American Empire and mass legal immigration and trade deal scams and nostalgia for 50 years ago. Israel First foreign policy.

    5) Trump GOP of slavish devotion to Jew donors such as Adelson and Singer and mass legal immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens and keeping the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate pumped up by monetary extremism. Israel First foreign policy.

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/jpod-deletes-his-account/#comment-3106703

  24. The money-grubbing, plutocrat Democrat Party globalizers are using identity group politics to shield themselves from scrutiny.

    The answer to that is to bring up the question of American national identity and the founding core of the USA.

    The late Sam Huntington would say that the national identity of the USA is British Protestant and Pat Buchanan would say European Christian, but both would reject the anti-White multiculturalism that the WASP/JEW ruling class of the American Empire is now pushing.

    What is the ancestral core of the USA?

    The ancestral core of the USA is European Christian and the rancid Republican Party will not explicitly say that.

    The rancid Republican Party must be electorally destroyed on November 3.

  25. @Lowe
    @Hermes

    Racism is the ultimate gotcha for disarming pro-worker socialists on the left. Oh, you want universal healthcare and UBI? How can you want that when black bodies are being literally gunned down in the street? Are you RACIST?

    Woke Capital has total control over the left. Bernie had to let black demonstrators interrupt his speech in 2012. Or was it in 2016? It doesn't matter. The Blacks are Holy. Of course he had to walk back all his pro-restriction rhetoric. He doesn't want to be RACIST.

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.

    Harris is not even that good a choice for VP. It's pure triumphalism over the Sanders wing. Just LOOK at this blatant game-player and corporate water-carrier we are picking! Haha, I'm Rick James, bitch!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @A123

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right

    Do you honestly think there’s the slightest chance of that happening?

    The Left doesn’t give a damn about the working class, but the Right actively enjoys seeing them suffer.

  26. I see why Trump was particularly vicious against Ted Cruz and had to humiliate, not just beat, him in the primaries.

  27. @Lowe
    @Hermes

    Racism is the ultimate gotcha for disarming pro-worker socialists on the left. Oh, you want universal healthcare and UBI? How can you want that when black bodies are being literally gunned down in the street? Are you RACIST?

    Woke Capital has total control over the left. Bernie had to let black demonstrators interrupt his speech in 2012. Or was it in 2016? It doesn't matter. The Blacks are Holy. Of course he had to walk back all his pro-restriction rhetoric. He doesn't want to be RACIST.

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.

    Harris is not even that good a choice for VP. It's pure triumphalism over the Sanders wing. Just LOOK at this blatant game-player and corporate water-carrier we are picking! Haha, I'm Rick James, bitch!

    Replies: @dfordoom, @A123

    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.

    Left and Right no longer exist. The sides are now:

    — Globalists — SJW’s, Internatonal Corporations, NeoConDemocrats
    — Populists — Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)

    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support. Look at the recent TVA situation where Trump bludgeoned them into doing the right thing. (1)

    “The leadership of TVA has canceled all of the layoffs — they’ve given hundreds of American workers their jobs back and they are being rehired as we speak,” Trump said during a weekend news briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

    TVA’s new interim chairman John Ryder called the agency’s previous decision to outsource about 20% of the IT staff a “faulty” choice, and TVA CEO Jeff Lyash said “we were wrong” to try to replace workers with contractors during the coronavirus pandemic, which has cost millions of U.S. jobs.

    If you want jobs for U.S. Citizens… Voting for Trump is essential.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2020/aug/07/trump-says-he-delivered-major-victory-tva-workers-week/529368/

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @A123


    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support.
     
    Unfortunately the Populists don't actually exist as an organised group or movement. Populism is nothing more than the Trump personality cult. Once Trump leaves office (either this time or in four more years) Trumpism will vanish. Trump has failed to build an actual movement or faction. And without Trump there is no-one else to provide the necessary leadership.

    Populism enjoys zero elite support and you're not going to build a successful political movement without at least some elite support. For one thing, without some elite support there's not going to be the necessary money.

    And Trump has actually made it even less likely that any members of the elite will support Populism in the future.

    Your populist coalition of "Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)" is pure fantasy.

    An actual Populist movement or faction would require money and organisation, and a leadership cadre. And some vague idea of what they're trying to achieve. Trump has done nothing to create a situation in which these things will be forthcoming. As a result Trumpism is going to be nothing more than a flash in the pan.

    Replies: @A123

  28. Hyperinflation can make Big Money into No Money right quick.

    They just keep printing these worthless IOUs.

    Russia and China are trading WITHOUT the Petrodollar.

    That spells THE END to World Reserve Currency Status.

    The only reason that Swamp can borrow Trillions is WRC Status.

    This Game is about Over…

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @Dr. Doom


    This Game is about Over…
     
    There is still some time.

    The USD is still far and away the currency of choice for settling international transactions, something like 86%. No other currency is close.

    Something like 62% of all foreign currency reserves are USD denominated.

    On top of that, there is no viable replacement for the USD at this time.

    That said, if the idiot Fed keeps running the brrr, and the Feral Gov keeps smothering the economy with Beer flu lockdowns, that time window will get really short.
  29. Parenthetically, the idea that many Sanders supporters were “based” on immigration is a restrictionist fantasy. It wasn’t true in 2016 and it’s even less true now.

    I made this mistake in 2016, but realized my mistake by talking with some Bernie Bros. I think Sanders himself might have been a better choice in both 2016 and 2020 than Clinton or Biden, but his supporters are really radical.

  30. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Buzz Mohawk

    The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history: viz, that America is not an actual nation conceived and built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all -- and that every poor brown goblin pauper on the face of the earth deserves a cookie. And if you don't want to share all your magic cookies with every sniffling tearful nino on the face of the earth, and are worried about being out-bred and thus out-voted, then you are evil racist nazi scum who must renounce your privilege and wash the feet.

    Ultimately it's a Jewish conception, because Jews just naturally believe that they own, and are the natural moral masters of, any place they happen to wash up, after having been run out of town the previous time for the exact same reasons. So: you didn't create your own country, goyim, it belongs to everyone, and... especially to the Jews.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history”

    Actually, quite a few Americans regardless of ideology believe that America was a nation conceived and built by a group of people, originally European, to create a better there here. Along the way, this notion has included non-Europeans.

    “Ultimately it’s a Jewish conception”

    Actually, it’s an American conception.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    "Actually," you don't know much about cultural history.

    Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Corvinus

  31. >>Parenthetically, the idea that many Sanders supporters were “based” on immigration is a restrictionist fantasy. It wasn’t true in 2016 and it’s even less true now.

    🙁

    there’s a few of us, but yeah….ouch. r/StupidPol is pretty based on immigration tho, so at least there’s that.

  32. @A123
    @Lowe


    If there is going to be any pro-worker policy, whether on immigration or anything else, it will have to come from the right. The left is owned completely by managerialists and their army of simps begging for scraps.
     
    Left and Right no longer exist. The sides are now:

    -- Globalists -- SJW's, Internatonal Corporations, NeoConDemocrats
    -- Populists -- Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)

    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support. Look at the recent TVA situation where Trump bludgeoned them into doing the right thing. (1)

    "The leadership of TVA has canceled all of the layoffs — they've given hundreds of American workers their jobs back and they are being rehired as we speak," Trump said during a weekend news briefing at his golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey.
    ...
    TVA's new interim chairman John Ryder called the agency's previous decision to outsource about 20% of the IT staff a "faulty" choice, and TVA CEO Jeff Lyash said "we were wrong" to try to replace workers with contractors during the coronavirus pandemic, which has cost millions of U.S. jobs.
     
    If you want jobs for U.S. Citizens... Voting for Trump is essential.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/business/aroundregion/story/2020/aug/07/trump-says-he-delivered-major-victory-tva-workers-week/529368/

    Replies: @dfordoom

    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support.

    Unfortunately the Populists don’t actually exist as an organised group or movement. Populism is nothing more than the Trump personality cult. Once Trump leaves office (either this time or in four more years) Trumpism will vanish. Trump has failed to build an actual movement or faction. And without Trump there is no-one else to provide the necessary leadership.

    Populism enjoys zero elite support and you’re not going to build a successful political movement without at least some elite support. For one thing, without some elite support there’s not going to be the necessary money.

    And Trump has actually made it even less likely that any members of the elite will support Populism in the future.

    Your populist coalition of “Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)” is pure fantasy.

    An actual Populist movement or faction would require money and organisation, and a leadership cadre. And some vague idea of what they’re trying to achieve. Trump has done nothing to create a situation in which these things will be forthcoming. As a result Trumpism is going to be nothing more than a flash in the pan.

    • Replies: @A123
    @dfordoom

    You identify a real risk.

    -- Where real churches still exist there is a huge amount of cadre available that can pull together functional groups.

    -- Areas that have been de-churched by the "Welcome Rape-ugee" abomination, lead by Pope Muhammad Francis, are an organizational problem. Having been burned by anti-Christian Churches there does need to be grass roots work to find them.
    _____

    However, what you are missing is that the blood traitor, Jeff "Recusal" Sessions, is no longer AG. The RussiaGate hoax has become a rout where the plotters are publicly turning on each other.

    Trump's inevitable 2nd term will be vastly more productive than the 1st. And, people like being on the winning side.

    The biggest problem is finding the next visionary with the communication skills to beat the Fake Stream Media [FSM]. The movement dies if Nikki Haley or Marco Rubio is the candidate in 2024. Ted Cruz is plausible, but he may want to be liked rather than feared.

    The only way to keep the FSM in check is raw strength. The BOHICA method, where the President achieves total domination via Twitter that goes around FSM propaganda.

    PEACE 😇

  33. @dfordoom
    @A123


    The Populists have a chance of providing pro-worker support.
     
    Unfortunately the Populists don't actually exist as an organised group or movement. Populism is nothing more than the Trump personality cult. Once Trump leaves office (either this time or in four more years) Trumpism will vanish. Trump has failed to build an actual movement or faction. And without Trump there is no-one else to provide the necessary leadership.

    Populism enjoys zero elite support and you're not going to build a successful political movement without at least some elite support. For one thing, without some elite support there's not going to be the necessary money.

    And Trump has actually made it even less likely that any members of the elite will support Populism in the future.

    Your populist coalition of "Main Street, Christians, U.S. Citizens (Blue & White collar)" is pure fantasy.

    An actual Populist movement or faction would require money and organisation, and a leadership cadre. And some vague idea of what they're trying to achieve. Trump has done nothing to create a situation in which these things will be forthcoming. As a result Trumpism is going to be nothing more than a flash in the pan.

    Replies: @A123

    You identify a real risk.

    — Where real churches still exist there is a huge amount of cadre available that can pull together functional groups.

    — Areas that have been de-churched by the “Welcome Rape-ugee” abomination, lead by Pope Muhammad Francis, are an organizational problem. Having been burned by anti-Christian Churches there does need to be grass roots work to find them.
    _____

    However, what you are missing is that the blood traitor, Jeff “Recusal” Sessions, is no longer AG. The RussiaGate hoax has become a rout where the plotters are publicly turning on each other.

    Trump’s inevitable 2nd term will be vastly more productive than the 1st. And, people like being on the winning side.

    The biggest problem is finding the next visionary with the communication skills to beat the Fake Stream Media [FSM]. The movement dies if Nikki Haley or Marco Rubio is the candidate in 2024. Ted Cruz is plausible, but he may want to be liked rather than feared.

    The only way to keep the FSM in check is raw strength. The BOHICA method, where the President achieves total domination via Twitter that goes around FSM propaganda.

    PEACE 😇

  34. @Anonymous
    Sorry, AE.

    Securing the Black vote is far more important for Trump. Kushner said so himself.

    After all, the Democrats are the real racists.

    Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    After all, the Democrats are the real racists.

    Because they know the score. They have 200 years of intimate contact with blacks to draw on.

    They don’t believe the Second Amendment applies to blacks. Nor did the Founders, nor any Americans before 1854. The major question of the day was on which continent a race so degraded as to be beneath the right to self-defense should live.

  35. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "The real issue is that all leftists believe in the Cookie Jar theory of American history"

    Actually, quite a few Americans regardless of ideology believe that America was a nation conceived and built by a group of people, originally European, to create a better there here. Along the way, this notion has included non-Europeans.

    "Ultimately it’s a Jewish conception"

    Actually, it's an American conception.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Actually,” you don’t know much about cultural history.

    Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet.

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Thanks Germ. Corvi’s “double-Actually” reply cracked me up, too.

    Maybe Unz could add an “Actually...” button just for him? Save Corvi the wasted effort of typing his ripostes; save everybody else time and space in the comment thread.

    , @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet."

    You need work on your Jack Dorsey impression.

    "“Actually,” you don’t know much about cultural history."

    Actually, I do. Remember, you stated our nation was "built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all". Pray tell, what is your ethnic background? If you are unable to trace BOTH sides of your ancestors to the Founding Stock, aka Anglo-Saxon, then you have to go back.

    According to Alt Right leader Vox Day, specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities today required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have claimed to have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    To quote, “The American civic heritage does not “transcend ethnicity”, as I [Vox Day], or any other American Indian, can tell you. And it is restricted by geographic extent. The Chinese, the Portuguese, and the Swedes are not Americans…[Moreover], there is nothing exceptional about America except its superior founding stock and its geographic advantages, both of which are now significantly reduced."

    Consider that Alabama congressman John L. Burnett, chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization, who reintroduced the literacy component of the immigration bill multiple times before it eventually passed in 1917. He was also a member of the Dillingham Commission, which concluded immigrants from southern and eastern Europe posed a serious threat to American society in large part due to their illiteracy. I hope your ancestry did not come from this inferior stock, as it has been proven they are a substandard race of people.

    “To admit the unchangeable differentiation of race in its modern scientific meaning is to admit inevitably the existence of superiority in one race and of inferiority in another,” eugenicist Madison Grant wrote. “The Anglo-Saxon branch of the Nordic race is again showing itself to be that upon which the nation must chiefly depend for leadership, for courage, for loyalty, for unity and harmony of action.” Furthermore, according to nativists, there were marked physical differences between the ethnic groups of Europe, which though intermarriage, would significantly dilute the superior intellect and strength of character of the Anglo-Saxon.

    So, based on this cultural history I provided, it would appear that there is a hierarchy within the "white" race. Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    More importantly, is your genetic and cultural heritage wholly or almost entirely from Anglo-Saxon stock, specifically the Nordic race?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @The Germ Theory of Disease

  36. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    "Actually," you don't know much about cultural history.

    Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Corvinus

    Thanks Germ. Corvi’s “double-Actually” reply cracked me up, too.

    Maybe Unz could add an “Actually…” button just for him? Save Corvi the wasted effort of typing his ripostes; save everybody else time and space in the comment thread.

  37. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    "Actually," you don't know much about cultural history.

    Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet.

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @Corvinus

    “Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet.”

    You need work on your Jack Dorsey impression.

    ““Actually,” you don’t know much about cultural history.”

    Actually, I do. Remember, you stated our nation was “built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all”. Pray tell, what is your ethnic background? If you are unable to trace BOTH sides of your ancestors to the Founding Stock, aka Anglo-Saxon, then you have to go back.

    According to Alt Right leader Vox Day, specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities today required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have claimed to have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    To quote, “The American civic heritage does not “transcend ethnicity”, as I [Vox Day], or any other American Indian, can tell you. And it is restricted by geographic extent. The Chinese, the Portuguese, and the Swedes are not Americans…[Moreover], there is nothing exceptional about America except its superior founding stock and its geographic advantages, both of which are now significantly reduced.”

    Consider that Alabama congressman John L. Burnett, chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization, who reintroduced the literacy component of the immigration bill multiple times before it eventually passed in 1917. He was also a member of the Dillingham Commission, which concluded immigrants from southern and eastern Europe posed a serious threat to American society in large part due to their illiteracy. I hope your ancestry did not come from this inferior stock, as it has been proven they are a substandard race of people.

    “To admit the unchangeable differentiation of race in its modern scientific meaning is to admit inevitably the existence of superiority in one race and of inferiority in another,” eugenicist Madison Grant wrote. “The Anglo-Saxon branch of the Nordic race is again showing itself to be that upon which the nation must chiefly depend for leadership, for courage, for loyalty, for unity and harmony of action.” Furthermore, according to nativists, there were marked physical differences between the ethnic groups of Europe, which though intermarriage, would significantly dilute the superior intellect and strength of character of the Anglo-Saxon.

    So, based on this cultural history I provided, it would appear that there is a hierarchy within the “white” race. Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    More importantly, is your genetic and cultural heritage wholly or almost entirely from Anglo-Saxon stock, specifically the Nordic race?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Corvinus

    Ugh.

    Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma.

    I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome. You’ve got to get out of the house a little bit. Listen to some Sinatra records. There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    , @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    Scale matters.

    Now, once again, be very quiet. We're hunting WABBITS!

    "We are building a fighting fawce of extawadinawy magnitude. You have my gwatitude."

    -- Nobody Ever Said Ever, and even if they did, I guarantee it wouldn't be hilarious, because contravenes the the diktat of Corvinus.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  38. @obwandiyag
    What about "Trump and/or Sanders" supporters? They were legion in the last election and you people pretend like they don't exist. They are working class and supposedly conservative, and yet would gladly have voted for Sanders had he run against a mainstream Republican, had they not had Trump to vote for. I suspect these voters oppose immigration. As does Bernie Sanders. At least when he's not being brow-beaten into mouthing the party line.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Bernie Sanders used to believe open borders was a “Koch brothers idea”. Now he’s a Koch brother. Bernie Bros abandoned all issues economic and joined the anti-racist cult.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    Note the "Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants."

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

    Business, as in anybody who creates a job. Left, Democrat voters see things this way because to them anything that resembles initiative and hard work is evil, because it is something the can't do. Ergo, they turn to government for the kind of amorphous, "big enough to be ignored like water to a fish," support they need to go on breathing and breeding.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @The Germ Theory of Disease, @Mario Partisan

    Note the “Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants.”

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

    Whatever the psychology of the average Blue-team voter, I think there is a kind of real-world practicality in the position of “grand-fathering in” the current, other-wise law abiding, illegals, while targeting employers with stiff penalties for hiring any more.

    In line with Mr. Unz’s recent article on WNism’s political bankruptcy, I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.

    If the Blue-team suffers from schizophrenia, perhaps much of the Red-team suffers Stockholm syndrome. In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers. The fact is that those trespassers are here because the business class wants them here.

    And they are here as part of a holistic strategy to eviscerate the bargaining power of the working class, in all nations. It is no coincidence that illegal immigration took off following the 1994 passage of NAFTA. When you look at that trade agreement, passed by Clinton in collaboration with Gingrich’s GOP, you see that it was comprehensive in its primitive accumulation goals: eliminate Mexican protectionism, flood Mexico with agribusiness maize, uproot the ejido system, and force the rural class of Mexico north to work in the maquilas along the border and domestic US service sector.

    Perhaps, those who want to direct their anger against one of the most powerless groups of people in the world, while defending the class of oligarchic financiers that thrives on the exploitation of all, deserve their lot. As long as Americans side with Lucifer’s children, they will deserve the hell on earth they have chosen.

    Goys of the world, unite!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mario Partisan


    I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.
     
    I lived in what you apparently would call a "utopia," where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn't that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.

    In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers.
     
    Wrong. I BLAME what you call the "business class" and their lackeys in government for bringing this about. Plus some ethnically-anti-gentile-hate-motivated others.

    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results. Penalizing those who hire and thus facilitate alien scabs is indeed a logical prong of a multi-pronged defense. What is silly is those who are blind to the other parts. You sound like you disapprove of discouraging alien scabs.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan

  40. @unit472
    As far as I can tell, Covid seems to be increasingly a disease of immigrants especially hispanics. 25% of the cases in Florida are in heavily hispanic Miami/Dade though that only accounts for 12.5% of the state population. There are also large clusters where farmworkers live. In North Carolina, as of a couple of weeks ago 55% of new infections were of hispanics, though they are only 15% of the state population. Seems to be the same in California and Texas too. Northern California isn't nearly as badly hit as Los Angeles and the Central Valley.

    It doesn't seem to be genetic. Its more of a cultural/economic thing. Hispanics live in smaller more crowded homes and trailers and don't engage in social distancing. Of course the same could be said of many other immigrants which is why New York City was hit so hard.

    There is also the problem that illegals don't quality for Federal aid programs and are losing their jobs at a much higher rate. Unemployed hispanics will just keep on getting infected and show up in our hospitals becoming a blight and a burden on the nation. Liberal governors and mayors won't have the money to deal with their diseased illegal population so there maybe a real negative reaction to these unwanted people now that they no economic value.

    Replies: @Black Woman

    Actually, in California, being a Republican county is associated with greater risk of infection.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/who-you-are/202008/is-political-tribalism-spreading-covid-19-in-california

  41. @Mario Partisan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    Note the “Percentages of 2016 primary voters, by candidate, supportive of fining businesses that employ illegal immigrants.”

    That is the one thing here that is pretty high across the board. It shows the mind-split, schizophrenic disconnect among Democrat voters and supporters of the Left.

    Let us explain: They are clearly happy to allow more people in and give amnesty to trespassers, but they are just as happy and eager to penalize employers. They show the stereotypical (i.e. TRUE) willingness of politically left people to attack and suck on and tear apart business.

     

    Whatever the psychology of the average Blue-team voter, I think there is a kind of real-world practicality in the position of “grand-fathering in” the current, other-wise law abiding, illegals, while targeting employers with stiff penalties for hiring any more.

    In line with Mr. Unz’s recent article on WNism’s political bankruptcy, I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.

    If the Blue-team suffers from schizophrenia, perhaps much of the Red-team suffers Stockholm syndrome. In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers. The fact is that those trespassers are here because the business class wants them here.

    And they are here as part of a holistic strategy to eviscerate the bargaining power of the working class, in all nations. It is no coincidence that illegal immigration took off following the 1994 passage of NAFTA. When you look at that trade agreement, passed by Clinton in collaboration with Gingrich’s GOP, you see that it was comprehensive in its primitive accumulation goals: eliminate Mexican protectionism, flood Mexico with agribusiness maize, uproot the ejido system, and force the rural class of Mexico north to work in the maquilas along the border and domestic US service sector.

    Perhaps, those who want to direct their anger against one of the most powerless groups of people in the world, while defending the class of oligarchic financiers that thrives on the exploitation of all, deserve their lot. As long as Americans side with Lucifer’s children, they will deserve the hell on earth they have chosen.

    Goys of the world, unite!

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/646261/unauthorized-immigrant-population-in-the-us/

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.

    I lived in what you apparently would call a “utopia,” where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn’t that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.

    In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers.

    Wrong. I BLAME what you call the “business class” and their lackeys in government for bringing this about. Plus some ethnically-anti-gentile-hate-motivated others.

    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results. Penalizing those who hire and thus facilitate alien scabs is indeed a logical prong of a multi-pronged defense. What is silly is those who are blind to the other parts. You sound like you disapprove of discouraging alien scabs.

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results.
     
    Fair enough. Perhaps I over-simplified your post a bit. I agree with you that there is a logical contradiction between 1) wanting to punish employers of illegal immigrants and 2) wanting a more or less open-door policy. Wanting #1 presupposes that are at least some restrictions on immigration, otherwise there is no category of “illegals” to fine employers for hiring. Similarly, supporting #2, makes #1 completely moot.

    I think where I disagree with you is on identifying and deporting illegal immigrants. Those who have serious criminal records should be deported, but I am sympathetic to letting decent hard-working illegals who have been here for an extended period stay. What I was trying to convey in my post is that many are here because they have been subjected to all the vicissitudes of globalism just like American workers have. They have been pushed around by forces beyond their control and I am very hesitant to want to make life harder on them and their families.

    So, if I were taking the survey, I suppose I would answer as:

    1) Amnesty: Yay (with qualifications)
    2) Deporting illegals: Nay (with quals)
    3) Fining employers: Yay.
    4) More work visas: Nay (this implies making more illegal immigration as difficult as possible)

    And to be clear, I tend to roll my eyes at normie conservatives who stress that they are simply opposed to “illegal immigration.” While I am not hostile to immigrants of any kind (my dad was a legal one from Europe), it is not whether someone has a piece of paper that determines my tune on the issue. It is not about the individuals, but about having a comprehensive policy that does not make earning a decent living more difficult for American workers. I am not anti-immigrant, I am pro-worker. I also see the work visa issue from the perspective of underdeveloped countries. I always find it ironic that normie leftists are so eager to facilitate the brain drain of 3rd word countries that have made investments in educating their own people. Every nation needs an educated and skilled worker class, and whatever benefits America might derive in the short-run from free-riding on skilled migrants, I think it is self-defeating in the long-run because it further reduces the stability and viability of those nations, and thus increases emigration incentives.

    I lived in what you apparently would call a “utopia,” where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn’t that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.
     
    I think you misunderstood me. I used “utopian” in the esoteric “Populism – Utopian and Scientific” sense. I meant that whatever the policy should have been in the past, I think that trying to go backwards is unrealistic and ends up inflaming tensions that in turn hinder the bargaining and organizing abilities of the existing multicultural working class. We should not have embarked on the path that produced the multicult, but it is here. While I despise anti-white identity politics and I understand that pro-white identity politics are largely a reaction to our demonization, I would rather everyone just accept some realities and “get along.” Perhaps that is utopian thinking, but I hope not; because if it is, I think we are all screwed; or perhaps another rhyming j-word.

    Replies: @Polynikes

  42. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet."

    You need work on your Jack Dorsey impression.

    "“Actually,” you don’t know much about cultural history."

    Actually, I do. Remember, you stated our nation was "built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all". Pray tell, what is your ethnic background? If you are unable to trace BOTH sides of your ancestors to the Founding Stock, aka Anglo-Saxon, then you have to go back.

    According to Alt Right leader Vox Day, specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities today required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have claimed to have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    To quote, “The American civic heritage does not “transcend ethnicity”, as I [Vox Day], or any other American Indian, can tell you. And it is restricted by geographic extent. The Chinese, the Portuguese, and the Swedes are not Americans…[Moreover], there is nothing exceptional about America except its superior founding stock and its geographic advantages, both of which are now significantly reduced."

    Consider that Alabama congressman John L. Burnett, chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization, who reintroduced the literacy component of the immigration bill multiple times before it eventually passed in 1917. He was also a member of the Dillingham Commission, which concluded immigrants from southern and eastern Europe posed a serious threat to American society in large part due to their illiteracy. I hope your ancestry did not come from this inferior stock, as it has been proven they are a substandard race of people.

    “To admit the unchangeable differentiation of race in its modern scientific meaning is to admit inevitably the existence of superiority in one race and of inferiority in another,” eugenicist Madison Grant wrote. “The Anglo-Saxon branch of the Nordic race is again showing itself to be that upon which the nation must chiefly depend for leadership, for courage, for loyalty, for unity and harmony of action.” Furthermore, according to nativists, there were marked physical differences between the ethnic groups of Europe, which though intermarriage, would significantly dilute the superior intellect and strength of character of the Anglo-Saxon.

    So, based on this cultural history I provided, it would appear that there is a hierarchy within the "white" race. Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    More importantly, is your genetic and cultural heritage wholly or almost entirely from Anglo-Saxon stock, specifically the Nordic race?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Ugh.

    Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma.

    I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome. You’ve got to get out of the house a little bit. Listen to some Sinatra records. There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @ChrisZ

    “Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma. “

    LOL, so says the Secret King. Or are you a sigma (snicker-snack)? Either way, this artificially created and arbitrarily decided hierarchy that he (and apparently you) abide by observably means nothing to me. You might as well punch at waterfalls.

    “I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome.”

    Thanks for your concern trolling.

    “There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.”

    It’s called engaging in dialectic. Listen, rather than disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, why not address the substance of the post?

    Replies: @ChrisZ

  43. @ChrisZ
    @Corvinus

    Ugh.

    Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma.

    I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome. You’ve got to get out of the house a little bit. Listen to some Sinatra records. There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma. “

    LOL, so says the Secret King. Or are you a sigma (snicker-snack)? Either way, this artificially created and arbitrarily decided hierarchy that he (and apparently you) abide by observably means nothing to me. You might as well punch at waterfalls.

    “I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome.”

    Thanks for your concern trolling.

    “There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.”

    It’s called engaging in dialectic. Listen, rather than disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, why not address the substance of the post?

    • Replies: @ChrisZ
    @Corvinus

    Eh. Your choice Corv. Do what you want.

  44. @Corvinus
    @ChrisZ

    “Corvi, if you’re familiar with Vox Day, you’ll understand what it means when I say you’re being a textbook gamma. “

    LOL, so says the Secret King. Or are you a sigma (snicker-snack)? Either way, this artificially created and arbitrarily decided hierarchy that he (and apparently you) abide by observably means nothing to me. You might as well punch at waterfalls.

    “I don’t remember you always being like that, and it’s worrisome.”

    Thanks for your concern trolling.

    “There’s more to life, my friend, than sitting at a keyboard writing long, self-justifying comments on these threads.”

    It’s called engaging in dialectic. Listen, rather than disqualify, disqualify, disqualify, why not address the substance of the post?

    Replies: @ChrisZ

    Eh. Your choice Corv. Do what you want.

  45. @A123
    @Realist

    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains (1)


    President Trump will expand an executive order on Monday, halting a series of visa programs that bring hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to the United States to take American jobs.

    The order will halt the inflow of foreign worker pipelines until at least December 31. The visa programs suspended include:

    -- H-1B visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    -- H-4 visas, who are the spouses of H-1B visa holders
    -- H-2B visas, who take blue-collar nonagricultural U.S. jobs
    -- L visas, who take white-collar U.S. jobs
    -- J-1 visas, who take a variety of blue-collar and white-collar U.S. jobs

    “Obviously American workers have been hurt, and it’s nobody’s fault that the coronavirus hit, but it did do a blow to the economy and to businesses who were furloughing and laying people off, and we want to make sure that Americans get hired into those spots,” said Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Acting Deputy Secretary Ken Cuccinelli.

    Altogether, the order is expected to free up about 600,000 American jobs
     
    Your only other option is Biden-Harris.

    As much as you dislike Trump, is it not obvious that the SJW Globalist ticket is much worse?

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/22/trump-halts-foreign-visa-worker-programs-to-free-up-600k-u-s-jobs-for-americans/

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains

    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump’s EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/13/state-dept-guts-donald-trumps-curbs-on-fortune-500-visa-workers/

    • Replies: @A123
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump’s EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers
     
    Dang it..... This brings us back to the need for better judges.

    Surrendering due to fear of lawsuits is not acceptible. With real judges, the Administration would be better positioned fight, rather than flight.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

  46. @Dr. Doom
    Hyperinflation can make Big Money into No Money right quick.

    They just keep printing these worthless IOUs.

    Russia and China are trading WITHOUT the Petrodollar.

    That spells THE END to World Reserve Currency Status.

    The only reason that Swamp can borrow Trillions is WRC Status.

    This Game is about Over...

    Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

    This Game is about Over…

    There is still some time.

    The USD is still far and away the currency of choice for settling international transactions, something like 86%. No other currency is close.

    Something like 62% of all foreign currency reserves are USD denominated.

    On top of that, there is no viable replacement for the USD at this time.

    That said, if the idiot Fed keeps running the brrr, and the Feral Gov keeps smothering the economy with Beer flu lockdowns, that time window will get really short.

  47. @Buzz Mohawk
    @Mario Partisan


    I think it is clear that America is already so far down the road of diversity, that failing to accept existing realities and making practical political decision from that basis, will inevitably lead to a dead end, as any utopian perspective tends to.
     
    I lived in what you apparently would call a "utopia," where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn't that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.

    In your case, you seem to be very hostile to the trespassers, while identifying with the business class that provides “sanctuary” to those trespassers.
     
    Wrong. I BLAME what you call the "business class" and their lackeys in government for bringing this about. Plus some ethnically-anti-gentile-hate-motivated others.

    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results. Penalizing those who hire and thus facilitate alien scabs is indeed a logical prong of a multi-pronged defense. What is silly is those who are blind to the other parts. You sound like you disapprove of discouraging alien scabs.

    Replies: @Mario Partisan

    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results.

    Fair enough. Perhaps I over-simplified your post a bit. I agree with you that there is a logical contradiction between 1) wanting to punish employers of illegal immigrants and 2) wanting a more or less open-door policy. Wanting #1 presupposes that are at least some restrictions on immigration, otherwise there is no category of “illegals” to fine employers for hiring. Similarly, supporting #2, makes #1 completely moot.

    I think where I disagree with you is on identifying and deporting illegal immigrants. Those who have serious criminal records should be deported, but I am sympathetic to letting decent hard-working illegals who have been here for an extended period stay. What I was trying to convey in my post is that many are here because they have been subjected to all the vicissitudes of globalism just like American workers have. They have been pushed around by forces beyond their control and I am very hesitant to want to make life harder on them and their families.

    So, if I were taking the survey, I suppose I would answer as:

    1) Amnesty: Yay (with qualifications)
    2) Deporting illegals: Nay (with quals)
    3) Fining employers: Yay.
    4) More work visas: Nay (this implies making more illegal immigration as difficult as possible)

    And to be clear, I tend to roll my eyes at normie conservatives who stress that they are simply opposed to “illegal immigration.” While I am not hostile to immigrants of any kind (my dad was a legal one from Europe), it is not whether someone has a piece of paper that determines my tune on the issue. It is not about the individuals, but about having a comprehensive policy that does not make earning a decent living more difficult for American workers. I am not anti-immigrant, I am pro-worker. I also see the work visa issue from the perspective of underdeveloped countries. I always find it ironic that normie leftists are so eager to facilitate the brain drain of 3rd word countries that have made investments in educating their own people. Every nation needs an educated and skilled worker class, and whatever benefits America might derive in the short-run from free-riding on skilled migrants, I think it is self-defeating in the long-run because it further reduces the stability and viability of those nations, and thus increases emigration incentives.

    I lived in what you apparently would call a “utopia,” where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn’t that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.

    I think you misunderstood me. I used “utopian” in the esoteric “Populism – Utopian and Scientific” sense. I meant that whatever the policy should have been in the past, I think that trying to go backwards is unrealistic and ends up inflaming tensions that in turn hinder the bargaining and organizing abilities of the existing multicultural working class. We should not have embarked on the path that produced the multicult, but it is here. While I despise anti-white identity politics and I understand that pro-white identity politics are largely a reaction to our demonization, I would rather everyone just accept some realities and “get along.” Perhaps that is utopian thinking, but I hope not; because if it is, I think we are all screwed; or perhaps another rhyming j-word.

    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @Polynikes
    @Mario Partisan


    but I am sympathetic to letting decent hard-working illegals who have been here for an extended period stay.
     
    This is where you and more logical people depart then. I’m empathetic to their plight. But unlike you I refuse to let my emotions override my good sense. It’s not in my, or my children’s, best interest that they stay. Therefore they must go back. It’s that simple.
  48. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "Actually, you ought to be very, very quiet."

    You need work on your Jack Dorsey impression.

    "“Actually,” you don’t know much about cultural history."

    Actually, I do. Remember, you stated our nation was "built by a specific set of (European Christian) peoples thru their own blood, sweat, and tears; but rather it is a Magic Cookie Jar! with infinite magical cookies for all". Pray tell, what is your ethnic background? If you are unable to trace BOTH sides of your ancestors to the Founding Stock, aka Anglo-Saxon, then you have to go back.

    According to Alt Right leader Vox Day, specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities today required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have claimed to have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    To quote, “The American civic heritage does not “transcend ethnicity”, as I [Vox Day], or any other American Indian, can tell you. And it is restricted by geographic extent. The Chinese, the Portuguese, and the Swedes are not Americans…[Moreover], there is nothing exceptional about America except its superior founding stock and its geographic advantages, both of which are now significantly reduced."

    Consider that Alabama congressman John L. Burnett, chairman of the House Committee on Immigration and Naturalization, who reintroduced the literacy component of the immigration bill multiple times before it eventually passed in 1917. He was also a member of the Dillingham Commission, which concluded immigrants from southern and eastern Europe posed a serious threat to American society in large part due to their illiteracy. I hope your ancestry did not come from this inferior stock, as it has been proven they are a substandard race of people.

    “To admit the unchangeable differentiation of race in its modern scientific meaning is to admit inevitably the existence of superiority in one race and of inferiority in another,” eugenicist Madison Grant wrote. “The Anglo-Saxon branch of the Nordic race is again showing itself to be that upon which the nation must chiefly depend for leadership, for courage, for loyalty, for unity and harmony of action.” Furthermore, according to nativists, there were marked physical differences between the ethnic groups of Europe, which though intermarriage, would significantly dilute the superior intellect and strength of character of the Anglo-Saxon.

    So, based on this cultural history I provided, it would appear that there is a hierarchy within the "white" race. Would not certain “white” groups be considered superior to others that seem “less white” or “not quite white”?

    More importantly, is your genetic and cultural heritage wholly or almost entirely from Anglo-Saxon stock, specifically the Nordic race?

    Replies: @ChrisZ, @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Scale matters.

    Now, once again, be very quiet. We’re hunting WABBITS!

    “We are building a fighting fawce of extawadinawy magnitude. You have my gwatitude.”

    — Nobody Ever Said Ever, and even if they did, I guarantee it wouldn’t be hilarious, because contravenes the the diktat of Corvinus.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    As I expected, you also run away from discourse when the hate facts frighten you.

    "Scale matters."

    Indeed. Alt Right leader Jared Taylor once stated, “That is, white people: “Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians could come and contribute to the America you love. Do you really believe that a future Afro-Hispanic-Caribbean-Asiatic America will be anything like the America your ancestors built?””

    Except Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians, at various points in American history, were deemed other than being able to embrace the culture and values of Americans by nativists (that being the ancestors of the ORIGINAL founders of our country). These Europeans were considered racial and ethnic pariahs. Ironic how some of those individual members of those persecuted groups today are acting in a similar fashion to nativists of the past. It reminds me of an 1880’s political cartoon.

    http://museum.msu.edu/exhibitions/virtual/immigrationandcaricature/7572-749.html

    If the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, then today’s progeny from Eastern and Southern Europeans represent undesirable genetic traits. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism.

    So, do YOU fit this cultural heritage, aka Anglo-Saxon? If not, you have to go back.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  49. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    Scale matters.

    Now, once again, be very quiet. We're hunting WABBITS!

    "We are building a fighting fawce of extawadinawy magnitude. You have my gwatitude."

    -- Nobody Ever Said Ever, and even if they did, I guarantee it wouldn't be hilarious, because contravenes the the diktat of Corvinus.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    As I expected, you also run away from discourse when the hate facts frighten you.

    “Scale matters.”

    Indeed. Alt Right leader Jared Taylor once stated, “That is, white people: “Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians could come and contribute to the America you love. Do you really believe that a future Afro-Hispanic-Caribbean-Asiatic America will be anything like the America your ancestors built?””

    Except Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians, at various points in American history, were deemed other than being able to embrace the culture and values of Americans by nativists (that being the ancestors of the ORIGINAL founders of our country). These Europeans were considered racial and ethnic pariahs. Ironic how some of those individual members of those persecuted groups today are acting in a similar fashion to nativists of the past. It reminds me of an 1880’s political cartoon.

    http://museum.msu.edu/exhibitions/virtual/immigrationandcaricature/7572-749.html

    If the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, then today’s progeny from Eastern and Southern Europeans represent undesirable genetic traits. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism.

    So, do YOU fit this cultural heritage, aka Anglo-Saxon? If not, you have to go back.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    You actually don't know how anything works, do you.

    When I was twelve years old, I built a hovercraft. Because I thought they seemed like they were cool. So I went to the library, and read and read, and learned how they worked. Then I dove into my father's workshop, and I didn't come out until I had a functioning hovercraft.

    You've never done a thing like that, have you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  50. @The Wild Geese Howard
    @A123


    We would like more & faster, but Trump has achieved significant gains
     
    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump's EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers


    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/08/13/state-dept-guts-donald-trumps-curbs-on-fortune-500-visa-workers/

    Replies: @A123

    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump’s EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers

    Dang it….. This brings us back to the need for better judges.

    Surrendering due to fear of lawsuits is not acceptible. With real judges, the Administration would be better positioned fight, rather than flight.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
    @A123


    Dang it….. This brings us back to the need for better judges.
     
    Totally agree. The Western judiciaries are totally out of control at this point.

    However, there was one piece of good news, from the Ninth Circus...I mean Circuit, of all places:

    Ninth Circuit Rules Against California Ban on ‘Large Capacity Mags’


    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/14/ninth-circuit-rules-against-california-ban-large-capacity-mags/
  51. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    As I expected, you also run away from discourse when the hate facts frighten you.

    "Scale matters."

    Indeed. Alt Right leader Jared Taylor once stated, “That is, white people: “Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians could come and contribute to the America you love. Do you really believe that a future Afro-Hispanic-Caribbean-Asiatic America will be anything like the America your ancestors built?””

    Except Germans, Swedes, Irishmen, and Hungarians, at various points in American history, were deemed other than being able to embrace the culture and values of Americans by nativists (that being the ancestors of the ORIGINAL founders of our country). These Europeans were considered racial and ethnic pariahs. Ironic how some of those individual members of those persecuted groups today are acting in a similar fashion to nativists of the past. It reminds me of an 1880’s political cartoon.

    http://museum.msu.edu/exhibitions/virtual/immigrationandcaricature/7572-749.html

    If the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, then today’s progeny from Eastern and Southern Europeans represent undesirable genetic traits. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism.

    So, do YOU fit this cultural heritage, aka Anglo-Saxon? If not, you have to go back.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You actually don’t know how anything works, do you.

    When I was twelve years old, I built a hovercraft. Because I thought they seemed like they were cool. So I went to the library, and read and read, and learned how they worked. Then I dove into my father’s workshop, and I didn’t come out until I had a functioning hovercraft.

    You’ve never done a thing like that, have you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "You actually don’t know how anything works, do you."

    I know you are like the Big Bad Wolf, huffing and puffing to avoid responding to my hate facts.

    "You’ve never done a thing like that, have you."

    Tell me more, James Lindsey! But, since I that type of dude, I will offer this nugget--my best friend and I in our youth, with guidance from his uncle, built a go kart from scratch.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  52. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    You actually don't know how anything works, do you.

    When I was twelve years old, I built a hovercraft. Because I thought they seemed like they were cool. So I went to the library, and read and read, and learned how they worked. Then I dove into my father's workshop, and I didn't come out until I had a functioning hovercraft.

    You've never done a thing like that, have you.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You actually don’t know how anything works, do you.”

    I know you are like the Big Bad Wolf, huffing and puffing to avoid responding to my hate facts.

    “You’ve never done a thing like that, have you.”

    Tell me more, James Lindsey! But, since I that type of dude, I will offer this nugget–my best friend and I in our youth, with guidance from his uncle, built a go kart from scratch.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    If you're a normal White kid and you haven't built a go-kart by the time you're ten, then something's wrong. By that age you should have built four or five, including weird experimental models. You should see my nephew's kooky designs. When I was a kid I got major street protection from the animals on the street because my "Death Race 2000" kill-car designs were so sick. I was famous, or maybe notorious, at eleven years old.

    This is in our blood, it's the Indoeuropean root word "C/R/T" meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, "a thing that is assembled". White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives.

    When I showed my father my hovercraft, after about a week of head-scratching "what the hell is he doing locked up in there?" he was a bit like, "well, I sort of expected a neatly-done model airplane, but this is a trifle excessive." Then of course he made the phone calls to both Harvard and the state mental hospital.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  53. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "You actually don’t know how anything works, do you."

    I know you are like the Big Bad Wolf, huffing and puffing to avoid responding to my hate facts.

    "You’ve never done a thing like that, have you."

    Tell me more, James Lindsey! But, since I that type of dude, I will offer this nugget--my best friend and I in our youth, with guidance from his uncle, built a go kart from scratch.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    If you’re a normal White kid and you haven’t built a go-kart by the time you’re ten, then something’s wrong. By that age you should have built four or five, including weird experimental models. You should see my nephew’s kooky designs. When I was a kid I got major street protection from the animals on the street because my “Death Race 2000” kill-car designs were so sick. I was famous, or maybe notorious, at eleven years old.

    This is in our blood, it’s the Indoeuropean root word “C/R/T” meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, “a thing that is assembled”. White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives.

    When I showed my father my hovercraft, after about a week of head-scratching “what the hell is he doing locked up in there?” he was a bit like, “well, I sort of expected a neatly-done model airplane, but this is a trifle excessive.” Then of course he made the phone calls to both Harvard and the state mental hospital.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "If you’re a normal White kid and you haven’t built a go-kart by the time you’re ten, then something’s wrong."

    No True Scottsman Fallacy.

    "This is in our blood, it’s the Indoeuropean root word “C/R/T” meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, “a thing that is assembled”. White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives."

    You mean it's in our blood as human beings.

    Now, is it in your nature to avoid addressing my hate facts?

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  54. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    If you're a normal White kid and you haven't built a go-kart by the time you're ten, then something's wrong. By that age you should have built four or five, including weird experimental models. You should see my nephew's kooky designs. When I was a kid I got major street protection from the animals on the street because my "Death Race 2000" kill-car designs were so sick. I was famous, or maybe notorious, at eleven years old.

    This is in our blood, it's the Indoeuropean root word "C/R/T" meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, "a thing that is assembled". White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives.

    When I showed my father my hovercraft, after about a week of head-scratching "what the hell is he doing locked up in there?" he was a bit like, "well, I sort of expected a neatly-done model airplane, but this is a trifle excessive." Then of course he made the phone calls to both Harvard and the state mental hospital.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “If you’re a normal White kid and you haven’t built a go-kart by the time you’re ten, then something’s wrong.”

    No True Scottsman Fallacy.

    “This is in our blood, it’s the Indoeuropean root word “C/R/T” meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, “a thing that is assembled”. White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives.”

    You mean it’s in our blood as human beings.

    Now, is it in your nature to avoid addressing my hate facts?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Corvinus

    Apparently it's in your nature to be humorless and refuse even the tiniest bit of generous bonhomie.

    Well, I guess that's what all those kooky white nerds took all that trouble to make the Internet for: a bunch of thin-lipped vinegar-drinking scolds. I've literally had more charming conversations working in emergency rooms, talking to stoned crazy homeless people with broken limbs.

    If you'll excuse me, I have to go attend a Reunion of the Zany Hovercraft-Building Nerds Club. I'd invite you along for a drink, but... Well, you know.

  55. @A123
    @The Wild Geese Howard


    I appreciate the point you are trying to make, but the poz-tards at the State Department have already gutted Trump’s EOs:

    State Dept. ‘Guts’ Donald Trump’s Curbs on Fortune 500’s Visa Workers
     
    Dang it..... This brings us back to the need for better judges.

    Surrendering due to fear of lawsuits is not acceptible. With real judges, the Administration would be better positioned fight, rather than flight.

    PEACE 😇

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    Dang it….. This brings us back to the need for better judges.

    Totally agree. The Western judiciaries are totally out of control at this point.

    However, there was one piece of good news, from the Ninth Circus…I mean Circuit, of all places:

    Ninth Circuit Rules Against California Ban on ‘Large Capacity Mags’

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/14/ninth-circuit-rules-against-california-ban-large-capacity-mags/

  56. @Corvinus
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    "If you’re a normal White kid and you haven’t built a go-kart by the time you’re ten, then something’s wrong."

    No True Scottsman Fallacy.

    "This is in our blood, it’s the Indoeuropean root word “C/R/T” meaning a cart, a chariot, carpentry, “a thing that is assembled”. White boys do it the same way beavers build dams, and bees make hives."

    You mean it's in our blood as human beings.

    Now, is it in your nature to avoid addressing my hate facts?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Apparently it’s in your nature to be humorless and refuse even the tiniest bit of generous bonhomie.

    Well, I guess that’s what all those kooky white nerds took all that trouble to make the Internet for: a bunch of thin-lipped vinegar-drinking scolds. I’ve literally had more charming conversations working in emergency rooms, talking to stoned crazy homeless people with broken limbs.

    If you’ll excuse me, I have to go attend a Reunion of the Zany Hovercraft-Building Nerds Club. I’d invite you along for a drink, but… Well, you know.

  57. “Apparently it’s in your nature to be humorless and refuse even the tiniest bit of generous bonhomie.”

    Actually, I’m quite amused at your ad hominem and stonewalling.

  58. @Mario Partisan
    @Buzz Mohawk


    I am simply pointing out the illogical split in the survey results.
     
    Fair enough. Perhaps I over-simplified your post a bit. I agree with you that there is a logical contradiction between 1) wanting to punish employers of illegal immigrants and 2) wanting a more or less open-door policy. Wanting #1 presupposes that are at least some restrictions on immigration, otherwise there is no category of “illegals” to fine employers for hiring. Similarly, supporting #2, makes #1 completely moot.

    I think where I disagree with you is on identifying and deporting illegal immigrants. Those who have serious criminal records should be deported, but I am sympathetic to letting decent hard-working illegals who have been here for an extended period stay. What I was trying to convey in my post is that many are here because they have been subjected to all the vicissitudes of globalism just like American workers have. They have been pushed around by forces beyond their control and I am very hesitant to want to make life harder on them and their families.

    So, if I were taking the survey, I suppose I would answer as:

    1) Amnesty: Yay (with qualifications)
    2) Deporting illegals: Nay (with quals)
    3) Fining employers: Yay.
    4) More work visas: Nay (this implies making more illegal immigration as difficult as possible)

    And to be clear, I tend to roll my eyes at normie conservatives who stress that they are simply opposed to “illegal immigration.” While I am not hostile to immigrants of any kind (my dad was a legal one from Europe), it is not whether someone has a piece of paper that determines my tune on the issue. It is not about the individuals, but about having a comprehensive policy that does not make earning a decent living more difficult for American workers. I am not anti-immigrant, I am pro-worker. I also see the work visa issue from the perspective of underdeveloped countries. I always find it ironic that normie leftists are so eager to facilitate the brain drain of 3rd word countries that have made investments in educating their own people. Every nation needs an educated and skilled worker class, and whatever benefits America might derive in the short-run from free-riding on skilled migrants, I think it is self-defeating in the long-run because it further reduces the stability and viability of those nations, and thus increases emigration incentives.

    I lived in what you apparently would call a “utopia,” where Americans were practically 90% European. It was nice, and it wasn’t that long ago. NOT utopia. Real.
     
    I think you misunderstood me. I used “utopian” in the esoteric “Populism – Utopian and Scientific” sense. I meant that whatever the policy should have been in the past, I think that trying to go backwards is unrealistic and ends up inflaming tensions that in turn hinder the bargaining and organizing abilities of the existing multicultural working class. We should not have embarked on the path that produced the multicult, but it is here. While I despise anti-white identity politics and I understand that pro-white identity politics are largely a reaction to our demonization, I would rather everyone just accept some realities and “get along.” Perhaps that is utopian thinking, but I hope not; because if it is, I think we are all screwed; or perhaps another rhyming j-word.

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    but I am sympathetic to letting decent hard-working illegals who have been here for an extended period stay.

    This is where you and more logical people depart then. I’m empathetic to their plight. But unlike you I refuse to let my emotions override my good sense. It’s not in my, or my children’s, best interest that they stay. Therefore they must go back. It’s that simple.

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