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From the 2016 Cooperative Congressional Election Study we see that outside the progressive wing of the Democrat party, there is little desire to defund the police:

Body cameras are even more popular on the left than on the right. Whether or not this holds remains to be seen. Rhetorically, it’ll be tough for the left to backtrack on body cameras, but they often lead to outcomes the left disapproves of. The cops arresting George Floyd when he died are likely going to be legally exonerated on account of their body camera footage. Floyd said he couldn’t breathe before being pinned on his stomach, said he had COVID, and was resisting arrest from the get go. Cutting off funding to police departments is one way for progressives to extract themselves from the corner they’ve backed themselves into.

The Drug War, like all the Forever Wars, are not very popular among the electorate. They are, however, how the uniparty pols butter their bread. And so they’re not going away until the empire itself does.

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  1. Reflexive calls to put more cops on the street do not seem to take account of the fact that the police have become worthless tax-eaters who will not bother to defend your business when the rioters are burning it down, but will be happy to harass and arrest you for not wearing your face diaper in public. Do we really want more of that? Like the public teachers who now wish to be paid to sit at home and not teach, this situation is untenable.

    We need to defund the police as they currently exist, along with every other legacy institution that has outlived its usefulness. We need to defund public education, the welfare state, most of the military, and corporate America. We need healthier, younger, smaller, more relevant social institutions. The sclerotic overburden of the New Deal, the Cold War, the old labor unions, and the new tech oligopoly is a millstone around the neck of the country. Chaos is breaking out everywhere because our social and economic life no longer reflects any kind of reality, physical or spiritual. It’s all falling apart, as well it should. I am not anxious to keep propping it up.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Apparently, everything has to go, according to your mindset.
    The cops don`t hire themselves, nor do they set policy, which includes defending your business. Politicians make those decisions. Cops, only lately, have started to figure out they are pawns, just like any other worker. The overwhelming majority go to work every day wanting to do a good job, just like any other employee. It is politics, whether in the public or private sector, that create problems for the public face of the enterprise.

    "The old labor unions" have been warning, for close to 50 years, that off shoring their jobs is bad for the economy, as is free trade. Suddenly, they are the problem. Sure. Get your head out of your arse. The enemy is finance capitalism which is controlled by the international banking cartel. It is they, that own the politicians and get bailouts after they fuck up. Privatized profit, socialized debt. Meanwhile small business owners, the real capitalists, are being thrown under the bus daily, while corporations, with the help of the politicians they own, continue to concentrate control of the economy an the wealth it creates. You cannot defund the corporations without getting rid of the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, and probably the Chicago Futures casino.

    Sure there are problems with education and teachers, but the teachers do not create the curriculum and set standards. The political appointees do, and they hire what they see in the mirror. By the way, there is a reason the New Deal was called the Jew Deal, and it had nothing to do with sclerosis.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Perhaps what we need are mayors and police chiefs who insist that the cops do their jobs and support them when they do so.

    , @SunBakedSuburb
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "I am not anxious to keep propping it up."

    You're not propping up anything, "Intelligent". I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  2. (Reply to first comment by Intelligent Dasein)

    Excellent insight:

    The sclerotic overburden of the New Deal, the Cold War, the old labor unions, and the new tech oligopoly is a millstone around the neck of the country.

    So is this–IMO as a warning of the status we’re being pushed towards:

    the police have become worthless tax-eaters who will not bother to defend your business when the rioters are burning it down, but will be happy to harass and arrest you for not wearing your face diaper in public.

  3. The Drug War, like all the Forever Wars, are not very popular among the electorate. They are, however, how the uniparty pols butter their bread. And so they’re not going away until the empire itself does.

    There won’t be as much of a need for police when the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) is put into place, and the cops will be happy to avoid much of the underclass undertow while enjoying their PCLP. The inevitable tribal rise of armed bands and militia troops, along with the smart White Core American Army units gaining control of the electronic command and control of the currency and the propaganda and the nuclear weapons will give some of the former cops something to do.

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Some guy on the internet said that Blacks Run Amok When Cops Pull Back, and I suppose it could be said that Underclass Whites Run Amok When Cops Pull Back, but when the criminally-inclined Black boobs and the criminally-inclined White boobs get their conjured up loot from the US Treasury and the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank there will be much less crime.

    And yeah, I’m trying to get you to think of the percentage of Whites and the percentage of Blacks who are criminally inclined, and I put that Underclass bit in there for Whites to imagine the proportion of Blacks and Whites who are highly criminally inclined. My position is that the percentage of Blacks who are criminally inclined is much higher than for that of Whites, so I gave the Whites a special category of Underclass. The Black crime statistics are scary in that they suggest young Black males are criminally inclined to a degree much much much higher than Whites.

    De-fund the cops? Over-fund the American citizens eligible for the PCLP.

    Abolish immigration enforcement? Abolish ICE? Abolish the CIA and let the NSA and the NRO and the military intelligence guys do the shady that they do.

    The rancid Republican Party and weak coward boob Trump just delivered a jail break on a massive scale for criminals and most boobs know that the ones in the prisons and the jails have done far more crime than what they got caught for and corralled for.

    Now is the time for all good men and good women to completely and totally crush the Republican Party on November 3.

    Vote for write-in candidate CHARLES PEWITT for USA president on November 3.

    For all other offices on the ballot, it is highly important to write in any other choice but the Republican or the Democrat, and a good idea would be to write in WHITE CORE AMERICA PARTY for all offices other than president.

    Why does Hillary Clinton live in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, when she claims to love Blacks so much?

    Why does Kamala Harris live in the mostly White town of Brentwood, California, when she claims to love Blacks so much?

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

    • Replies: @Jay Fink
    @Charles Pewitt

    "The rancid Republican Party and weak coward boob Trump just delivered a jail break on a massive scale for criminals and most boobs know that the ones in the prisons and the jails have done far more crime than what they got caught for and corralled for."

    I switched from Democrat to Republican in 1990 when I heard a Dem politician criticize Republicans for wanting to build more jails than schools. As someone with an obsessive hatred towards criminals the Republicans all the sudden became very attractive to me and I have voted straight Republican ever since. Now with Republicans becoming soft on crime, supporting criminal justice reform, criticizing Kamala Harris for locking up criminals, etc. I feel I have no one to vote for.

  4. Rhetorically, it’ll be tough for the left to backtrack on body cameras, but they often lead to outcomes the left disapproves of. The cops arresting George Floyd when he died are likely going to be legally exonerated on account of their body camera footage.

    Exactly…be careful what you fight for.

  5. Rhetorically, it’ll be tough for the left to backtrack on body cameras, but they often lead to outcomes the left disapproves of.

    This has been well known for a number of years, but your average leftie actually believes the constant stream of MSM pablum that ceaselessly tells them (and the rest of us, for that matter) that the police are hunting down blacks with the intent to harass them and even murder them.

    If the average black person wonders why they are disproportionately subjected to traffic stops, did it ever occur to them that following basic traffic rules, like signalling turns, would reduce the reasons for a traffic stop. Is it profiling to stop people for not signalling? Gee, I guess we need to insist that turn signals be banned. That’s the logic behind movements to ban guns to reduce murders and to defund police to reduce murders of blacks by police.

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @The Alarmist

    Id love to see lack of turn-signaling be ticketed. It simply is never done, though it is a violation on the books. In other words, it's there for the discretion of the police officer who enforces it. If it's used disproportionately against blacks, then, yeah, it's racist, because ignoring lane-change signaling is universal near me.

    We forget that in Minnesota that actual camera footage of a police officer blowing away black man Philando Castile did not lead to a conviction. That formed the backdrop for "cops can kills blacks with impunity," which helped ignite the Floyd protests, especially when a white cop seemed to be taking a black life. Why the left thought that cameras would help their cause is beyond me, since there was no justice inCastile's case, and there's been a railroad in Floyd's case.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @The Alarmist

    If disparate impact in arrests and citations means the laws are unjust, the only solution is to abolish the laws. All of them. That is the direction we are headed in.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  6. The cops arresting George Floyd when he died are likely going to be legally exonerated on account of their body camera footage.

    Since Realist brought this excerpt from your post up, let me address this. Whether the body-cam footage SHOULD exonerate Mr. Chauvin or not is one thing, but we don’t have much of a legal system left. We all know that, unless enough time has gone by and the Infotainment has gone on to other matters of concern, Chavin will not get a fair trial if there are multiple blacks on the jury and the BLM peoples still have the pressure on.

    There will be folks in high place pushing for the railroading of this cop (assuming he’s not guilty of manslaughter anyway – I’m not on the case myself) to avoid more riots. I know it shouldn’t be this way, but it IS. If the man should be found innocent and the jury does the right thing, then then he will be railroaded via un-Constitutional double-jeopardy via some “hate” charges or civil suits. It will go on and on for him. Personally, were I Mr. Chauvin, I’d collect the money I could get my hands on, put it into REAL MONEY, and get the hell out of the USSA at the first chance.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Is a conviction really what they want, though? Manslaughter in Minnesota can lead to up to 15 years in prison. That would've been an easier conviction. Second degree homicide is going to be unwinnable for the prosecution. It's almost as if they want it that way...

  7. @Intelligent Dasein
    Reflexive calls to put more cops on the street do not seem to take account of the fact that the police have become worthless tax-eaters who will not bother to defend your business when the rioters are burning it down, but will be happy to harass and arrest you for not wearing your face diaper in public. Do we really want more of that? Like the public teachers who now wish to be paid to sit at home and not teach, this situation is untenable.

    We need to defund the police as they currently exist, along with every other legacy institution that has outlived its usefulness. We need to defund public education, the welfare state, most of the military, and corporate America. We need healthier, younger, smaller, more relevant social institutions. The sclerotic overburden of the New Deal, the Cold War, the old labor unions, and the new tech oligopoly is a millstone around the neck of the country. Chaos is breaking out everywhere because our social and economic life no longer reflects any kind of reality, physical or spiritual. It's all falling apart, as well it should. I am not anxious to keep propping it up.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @MBlanc46, @SunBakedSuburb

    Apparently, everything has to go, according to your mindset.
    The cops don`t hire themselves, nor do they set policy, which includes defending your business. Politicians make those decisions. Cops, only lately, have started to figure out they are pawns, just like any other worker. The overwhelming majority go to work every day wanting to do a good job, just like any other employee. It is politics, whether in the public or private sector, that create problems for the public face of the enterprise.

    “The old labor unions” have been warning, for close to 50 years, that off shoring their jobs is bad for the economy, as is free trade. Suddenly, they are the problem. Sure. Get your head out of your arse. The enemy is finance capitalism which is controlled by the international banking cartel. It is they, that own the politicians and get bailouts after they fuck up. Privatized profit, socialized debt. Meanwhile small business owners, the real capitalists, are being thrown under the bus daily, while corporations, with the help of the politicians they own, continue to concentrate control of the economy an the wealth it creates. You cannot defund the corporations without getting rid of the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, and probably the Chicago Futures casino.

    Sure there are problems with education and teachers, but the teachers do not create the curriculum and set standards. The political appointees do, and they hire what they see in the mirror. By the way, there is a reason the New Deal was called the Jew Deal, and it had nothing to do with sclerosis.

  8. @Charles Pewitt
    The Drug War, like all the Forever Wars, are not very popular among the electorate. They are, however, how the uniparty pols butter their bread. And so they’re not going away until the empire itself does.

    There won't be as much of a need for police when the Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) is put into place, and the cops will be happy to avoid much of the underclass undertow while enjoying their PCLP. The inevitable tribal rise of armed bands and militia troops, along with the smart White Core American Army units gaining control of the electronic command and control of the currency and the propaganda and the nuclear weapons will give some of the former cops something to do.

    The Pewitt Conjured Loot Portion(PCLP) will pay each American who has all blood ancestry born in colonial America or the USA before 1924 a cool ten thousand dollars a month. The US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank shall work together to conjure up the cash out of thin air, just like the ruling class is doing now.

    Some guy on the internet said that Blacks Run Amok When Cops Pull Back, and I suppose it could be said that Underclass Whites Run Amok When Cops Pull Back, but when the criminally-inclined Black boobs and the criminally-inclined White boobs get their conjured up loot from the US Treasury and the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank there will be much less crime.

    And yeah, I'm trying to get you to think of the percentage of Whites and the percentage of Blacks who are criminally inclined, and I put that Underclass bit in there for Whites to imagine the proportion of Blacks and Whites who are highly criminally inclined. My position is that the percentage of Blacks who are criminally inclined is much higher than for that of Whites, so I gave the Whites a special category of Underclass. The Black crime statistics are scary in that they suggest young Black males are criminally inclined to a degree much much much higher than Whites.

    De-fund the cops? Over-fund the American citizens eligible for the PCLP.

    Abolish immigration enforcement? Abolish ICE? Abolish the CIA and let the NSA and the NRO and the military intelligence guys do the shady that they do.

    The rancid Republican Party and weak coward boob Trump just delivered a jail break on a massive scale for criminals and most boobs know that the ones in the prisons and the jails have done far more crime than what they got caught for and corralled for.

    Now is the time for all good men and good women to completely and totally crush the Republican Party on November 3.

    Vote for write-in candidate CHARLES PEWITT for USA president on November 3.

    For all other offices on the ballot, it is highly important to write in any other choice but the Republican or the Democrat, and a good idea would be to write in WHITE CORE AMERICA PARTY for all offices other than president.

    Why does Hillary Clinton live in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, when she claims to love Blacks so much?

    Why does Kamala Harris live in the mostly White town of Brentwood, California, when she claims to love Blacks so much?

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING

    Replies: @Jay Fink

    “The rancid Republican Party and weak coward boob Trump just delivered a jail break on a massive scale for criminals and most boobs know that the ones in the prisons and the jails have done far more crime than what they got caught for and corralled for.”

    I switched from Democrat to Republican in 1990 when I heard a Dem politician criticize Republicans for wanting to build more jails than schools. As someone with an obsessive hatred towards criminals the Republicans all the sudden became very attractive to me and I have voted straight Republican ever since. Now with Republicans becoming soft on crime, supporting criminal justice reform, criticizing Kamala Harris for locking up criminals, etc. I feel I have no one to vote for.

  9. In 2016 body cameras were very popular on both sides for opposite reasons. Libs were sure that bodycams would prove cops were racist and cons knew that they would show the opposite. Libs are anti body cameras now. Run the harsher sentences for repeat offenders poll again too, probably dropped by 40-50 points since 2016.

    2020 lib anti-police sentiment is based on 2 assumptions: that their rich white neighborhoods will not be affected by rising crime and that some form of cop will still always be there to arrest anyone they accuse of racism, non mask wearers, youtube commenters, etc. Rather than fight about whether or not to defund the police, it might make more sense to work on making sure those 2 assumptions don’t pan out. Police budgets are getting cut basically everywhere regardless. Everything is getting cut except the bailouts for banks and corps. Woke austerity

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
    @Not My Economy

    "2020 lib anti-police sentiment is based on 2 assumptions: that their rich white neighborhoods will not be affected by rising crime and that some form of cop will still always be there to arrest anyone they accuse of racism, non mask wearers, youtube commenters, etc. Rather than fight about whether or not to defund the police, it might make more sense to work on making sure those 2 assumptions don’t pan out. "

    An excellent suggestion. In all the calls to "defund the police," there haven't been any to defund the Federal police, the FBI. It will be a great day when residents of BLM-lawn-sign neighborhoods have to spend all day negotiating with gig-economy adjusters who don't give a shit, while working class whites and blacks give BLM the Englewood treatment.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Not My Economy

    "Woke austerity" is a phrase with a lot of potential for this crisis of the third decade we are entering.

  10. @Intelligent Dasein
    Reflexive calls to put more cops on the street do not seem to take account of the fact that the police have become worthless tax-eaters who will not bother to defend your business when the rioters are burning it down, but will be happy to harass and arrest you for not wearing your face diaper in public. Do we really want more of that? Like the public teachers who now wish to be paid to sit at home and not teach, this situation is untenable.

    We need to defund the police as they currently exist, along with every other legacy institution that has outlived its usefulness. We need to defund public education, the welfare state, most of the military, and corporate America. We need healthier, younger, smaller, more relevant social institutions. The sclerotic overburden of the New Deal, the Cold War, the old labor unions, and the new tech oligopoly is a millstone around the neck of the country. Chaos is breaking out everywhere because our social and economic life no longer reflects any kind of reality, physical or spiritual. It's all falling apart, as well it should. I am not anxious to keep propping it up.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @MBlanc46, @SunBakedSuburb

    Perhaps what we need are mayors and police chiefs who insist that the cops do their jobs and support them when they do so.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  11. @Intelligent Dasein
    Reflexive calls to put more cops on the street do not seem to take account of the fact that the police have become worthless tax-eaters who will not bother to defend your business when the rioters are burning it down, but will be happy to harass and arrest you for not wearing your face diaper in public. Do we really want more of that? Like the public teachers who now wish to be paid to sit at home and not teach, this situation is untenable.

    We need to defund the police as they currently exist, along with every other legacy institution that has outlived its usefulness. We need to defund public education, the welfare state, most of the military, and corporate America. We need healthier, younger, smaller, more relevant social institutions. The sclerotic overburden of the New Deal, the Cold War, the old labor unions, and the new tech oligopoly is a millstone around the neck of the country. Chaos is breaking out everywhere because our social and economic life no longer reflects any kind of reality, physical or spiritual. It's all falling apart, as well it should. I am not anxious to keep propping it up.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon, @MBlanc46, @SunBakedSuburb

    “I am not anxious to keep propping it up.”

    You’re not propping up anything, “Intelligent”. I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @SunBakedSuburb


    I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.
     
    True, but that's an observation that applies to most of the ideological zealots here. The libertarians fantasise about abolishing virtually the entire government, gun nuts fantasise about civil war, the knuckle-draggers fantasise about mass deportations, the racists fantasise about sending every black back to Africa, wannabe fascists fantasise about Trump going Full Pinochet, the Hitler fanboys fantasise about reviving National Socialism, secessionists fantasise about the political dissolution of the US, Christians fantasise about Christian theocracies, the China-haters fantasise about war with the Evil ChiComs.

    If any of these fantasies came true none of these fantasists would survive the resulting chaos, bloodbaths, and descent into warlordism for more than a few days.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  12. @The Alarmist

    Rhetorically, it’ll be tough for the left to backtrack on body cameras, but they often lead to outcomes the left disapproves of.
     
    This has been well known for a number of years, but your average leftie actually believes the constant stream of MSM pablum that ceaselessly tells them (and the rest of us, for that matter) that the police are hunting down blacks with the intent to harass them and even murder them.

    If the average black person wonders why they are disproportionately subjected to traffic stops, did it ever occur to them that following basic traffic rules, like signalling turns, would reduce the reasons for a traffic stop. Is it profiling to stop people for not signalling? Gee, I guess we need to insist that turn signals be banned. That's the logic behind movements to ban guns to reduce murders and to defund police to reduce murders of blacks by police.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Audacious Epigone

    Id love to see lack of turn-signaling be ticketed. It simply is never done, though it is a violation on the books. In other words, it’s there for the discretion of the police officer who enforces it. If it’s used disproportionately against blacks, then, yeah, it’s racist, because ignoring lane-change signaling is universal near me.

    We forget that in Minnesota that actual camera footage of a police officer blowing away black man Philando Castile did not lead to a conviction. That formed the backdrop for “cops can kills blacks with impunity,” which helped ignite the Floyd protests, especially when a white cop seemed to be taking a black life. Why the left thought that cameras would help their cause is beyond me, since there was no justice inCastile’s case, and there’s been a railroad in Floyd’s case.

  13. @Not My Economy
    In 2016 body cameras were very popular on both sides for opposite reasons. Libs were sure that bodycams would prove cops were racist and cons knew that they would show the opposite. Libs are anti body cameras now. Run the harsher sentences for repeat offenders poll again too, probably dropped by 40-50 points since 2016.

    2020 lib anti-police sentiment is based on 2 assumptions: that their rich white neighborhoods will not be affected by rising crime and that some form of cop will still always be there to arrest anyone they accuse of racism, non mask wearers, youtube commenters, etc. Rather than fight about whether or not to defund the police, it might make more sense to work on making sure those 2 assumptions don't pan out. Police budgets are getting cut basically everywhere regardless. Everything is getting cut except the bailouts for banks and corps. Woke austerity

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Audacious Epigone

    “2020 lib anti-police sentiment is based on 2 assumptions: that their rich white neighborhoods will not be affected by rising crime and that some form of cop will still always be there to arrest anyone they accuse of racism, non mask wearers, youtube commenters, etc. Rather than fight about whether or not to defund the police, it might make more sense to work on making sure those 2 assumptions don’t pan out. ”

    An excellent suggestion. In all the calls to “defund the police,” there haven’t been any to defund the Federal police, the FBI. It will be a great day when residents of BLM-lawn-sign neighborhoods have to spend all day negotiating with gig-economy adjusters who don’t give a shit, while working class whites and blacks give BLM the Englewood treatment.

  14. @SunBakedSuburb
    @Intelligent Dasein

    "I am not anxious to keep propping it up."

    You're not propping up anything, "Intelligent". I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.

    True, but that’s an observation that applies to most of the ideological zealots here. The libertarians fantasise about abolishing virtually the entire government, gun nuts fantasise about civil war, the knuckle-draggers fantasise about mass deportations, the racists fantasise about sending every black back to Africa, wannabe fascists fantasise about Trump going Full Pinochet, the Hitler fanboys fantasise about reviving National Socialism, secessionists fantasise about the political dissolution of the US, Christians fantasise about Christian theocracies, the China-haters fantasise about war with the Evil ChiComs.

    If any of these fantasies came true none of these fantasists would survive the resulting chaos, bloodbaths, and descent into warlordism for more than a few days.

    • Troll: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @dfordoom

    At the upper echelons of power, members of both parties are talking about the potential of California, Oregon, and Washington seceding if Trump wins reelection. The idea is moving mainstream from out here on the fringes (as so many ideas do over time).

  15. @The Alarmist

    Rhetorically, it’ll be tough for the left to backtrack on body cameras, but they often lead to outcomes the left disapproves of.
     
    This has been well known for a number of years, but your average leftie actually believes the constant stream of MSM pablum that ceaselessly tells them (and the rest of us, for that matter) that the police are hunting down blacks with the intent to harass them and even murder them.

    If the average black person wonders why they are disproportionately subjected to traffic stops, did it ever occur to them that following basic traffic rules, like signalling turns, would reduce the reasons for a traffic stop. Is it profiling to stop people for not signalling? Gee, I guess we need to insist that turn signals be banned. That's the logic behind movements to ban guns to reduce murders and to defund police to reduce murders of blacks by police.

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Audacious Epigone

    If disparate impact in arrests and citations means the laws are unjust, the only solution is to abolish the laws. All of them. That is the direction we are headed in.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Audacious Epigone

    Who is John Galt?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  16. @Achmed E. Newman

    The cops arresting George Floyd when he died are likely going to be legally exonerated on account of their body camera footage.
     
    Since Realist brought this excerpt from your post up, let me address this. Whether the body-cam footage SHOULD exonerate Mr. Chauvin or not is one thing, but we don't have much of a legal system left. We all know that, unless enough time has gone by and the Infotainment has gone on to other matters of concern, Chavin will not get a fair trial if there are multiple blacks on the jury and the BLM peoples still have the pressure on.

    There will be folks in high place pushing for the railroading of this cop (assuming he's not guilty of manslaughter anyway - I'm not on the case myself) to avoid more riots. I know it shouldn't be this way, but it IS. If the man should be found innocent and the jury does the right thing, then then he will be railroaded via un-Constitutional double-jeopardy via some "hate" charges or civil suits. It will go on and on for him. Personally, were I Mr. Chauvin, I'd collect the money I could get my hands on, put it into REAL MONEY, and get the hell out of the USSA at the first chance.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Is a conviction really what they want, though? Manslaughter in Minnesota can lead to up to 15 years in prison. That would’ve been an easier conviction. Second degree homicide is going to be unwinnable for the prosecution. It’s almost as if they want it that way…

  17. @Not My Economy
    In 2016 body cameras were very popular on both sides for opposite reasons. Libs were sure that bodycams would prove cops were racist and cons knew that they would show the opposite. Libs are anti body cameras now. Run the harsher sentences for repeat offenders poll again too, probably dropped by 40-50 points since 2016.

    2020 lib anti-police sentiment is based on 2 assumptions: that their rich white neighborhoods will not be affected by rising crime and that some form of cop will still always be there to arrest anyone they accuse of racism, non mask wearers, youtube commenters, etc. Rather than fight about whether or not to defund the police, it might make more sense to work on making sure those 2 assumptions don't pan out. Police budgets are getting cut basically everywhere regardless. Everything is getting cut except the bailouts for banks and corps. Woke austerity

    Replies: @TomSchmidt, @Audacious Epigone

    “Woke austerity” is a phrase with a lot of potential for this crisis of the third decade we are entering.

  18. @dfordoom
    @SunBakedSuburb


    I doubt you would survive the market utopia peddled by your ideological heroes.
     
    True, but that's an observation that applies to most of the ideological zealots here. The libertarians fantasise about abolishing virtually the entire government, gun nuts fantasise about civil war, the knuckle-draggers fantasise about mass deportations, the racists fantasise about sending every black back to Africa, wannabe fascists fantasise about Trump going Full Pinochet, the Hitler fanboys fantasise about reviving National Socialism, secessionists fantasise about the political dissolution of the US, Christians fantasise about Christian theocracies, the China-haters fantasise about war with the Evil ChiComs.

    If any of these fantasies came true none of these fantasists would survive the resulting chaos, bloodbaths, and descent into warlordism for more than a few days.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    At the upper echelons of power, members of both parties are talking about the potential of California, Oregon, and Washington seceding if Trump wins reelection. The idea is moving mainstream from out here on the fringes (as so many ideas do over time).

  19. At the upper echelons of power, members of both parties are talking about the potential of California, Oregon, and Washington seceding if Trump wins reelection. The idea is moving mainstream from out here on the fringes (as so many ideas do over time).

    I’d say that’s mostly political grandstanding and propaganda. Like the liberals who were going to move to Canada if George W. Bush got elected.

    Politics these days is dominated by propaganda and hysteria.

    You really think California would secede, to end up as a medium-sized non-nuclear power right next door to a much bigger nuclear superpower? A nuclear superpower that would have a permanent Republican government? With Trump as president?

    You really think that if any state (Republican or Democrat) ever decided to secede that the U.S. would allow them to have a share of the U.S. nuclear arsenal? You really think Trump would give California nukes? No, I don’t think so either.

    If Trump wins reelection some very bad things are very likely to happen. The Cultural Revolution will move into high gear. Woke Capital’s crackdown on dissent will massively accelerate. An attempted Color Revolution is a possibility.

    But secession – ain’t gonna happen. Both sides are only interested in one thing – control of the entire nation, with its reserve currency status, its empire, its military might and its global hegemony. No-one is going to be satisfied with just California – who wants control of a country with a population the size of Poland’s?

  20. @Audacious Epigone
    @The Alarmist

    If disparate impact in arrests and citations means the laws are unjust, the only solution is to abolish the laws. All of them. That is the direction we are headed in.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    Who is John Galt?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @The Alarmist

    That is correct for $1000, Alarmist. You're up.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

  21. @The Alarmist
    @Audacious Epigone

    Who is John Galt?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    That is correct for $1000, Alarmist. You’re up.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    @Audacious Epigone

    I’ve got enough pasture land to land my Duchess ... I guess I could start my own Galt’s Gulch ;)

  22. @Audacious Epigone
    @The Alarmist

    That is correct for $1000, Alarmist. You're up.

    Replies: @The Alarmist

    I’ve got enough pasture land to land my Duchess … I guess I could start my own Galt’s Gulch 😉

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