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I first noticed president Trump referring to what preceded him as “the O’Biden administration”. Trump’s disdain for former president Obama is well known and he’s never given much indication of being a particularly numerate person, but Trump must know that Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today. So why would he pay Biden a compliment like that? Biden is Trump’s worst matchup yet still Trump gives him a boost?

It’s curious. It could be a consequence of the quintessential boomer getting his news from Fox and thinking that associating Biden with president O’Bummer will sink his toughest challenger. Trump genuinely thinks it’s a zinger.

Or it could be that Trump instinctively realizes the importance of the black vote in securing the Democrat nomination and in winning the general election, and also that soporific and senescent Sleepy Joe doesn’t have what it takes to make it to the end. With Harris and Booker floundering, Biden has become the de facto black candidate. Trump, like everyone else in the country, knows Sanders doesn’t have a prayer. So if he had discounted Biden, it is Warren he most likely expects to face (and is no doubt relishing the opportunity to go up against).

And Warren’s black support is abysmal. From the most recent YouGov poll, white and black support for the top three candidates among likely Democrat primary voters:

Some 11% of black respondents were unsure, so Biden doesn’t just have a plurality of relatively committed black voters, he has an absolute majority of them. By further investing the black electorate in O’Biden, Trump is working to maximize their sense of disappointment in and lack of enthusiasm for Warren.

This isn’t implausible. While Trump allegedly doesn’t read books, he does read polls. He comments on them more than any other politician in US history ever has and he regularly belittles people who aren’t faring well in them:

 
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  1. When I saw O’Biden, I thought that was The Scot making fun of The Irishman.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

    When I saw O’Biden, I thought that was The Scot making fun of The Irishman.

     

    Scottish people made their peace with the English Hun bastards, and the Irish and Germans didn't. The Welsh people enjoyed waylaying wayward Saxons and then Normans in the hills of the Welsh Marches and environs, but even they made their peace with the sneaky English scoundrels.

    If I recall correctly, David Hackett Fischer wrote a sentence or two explaining why he thought the Irish and the Germans in colonial America and then the USA didn't contribute much to the formation of the political system and the cultural folkways of colonial America and the USA.

    Irish municipal job-grabbing and vote-stealing should be politely ignored.

    I right off the bat saw the O'Biden and thought that Trumpy was giving the part Irish guy Joe Biden a good-natured pop over his Irish ancestry. Biden is Irish and English and German by ancestry and all arsehole by nature. Obama has Irish ancestry on his mother's side.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire gave the German Americans a lot of grief before and during civilization-wrecking WWI and again during WWII.

    The Irish and German American vote is massively important politically mostly because of all the Krauts in the Great Lakes states of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    There is a horrible story that the Celts who are Welsh and Scottish and Breton and that other one I forget have a special love for the Celtic sweethearts called the Irish. The other Celts love the Irish and they just want what's best for them.

    Attention all Leprechauns and Krauts:

    I have Irish and German ancestry on my father's side but my Irish and German ancestors got to colonial America a long time ago. I love you Irish and German people! Even you 1848'er pot banger Krauts!

    Joe Biden pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    Biden and Carter and Kennedy ramped up the REFUGEE OVERLOAD SCAM in 1980.

    Tweets from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/448468260975947776

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/570674369875320832
  2. I don’t know who Obama is popular with other than the NYT commenting hive. No one I know, from either the left or right likes him. His body of work is complete so we know everything, from droning wedding parties to crappy food stamps healthcare to depriving our dishwashers of water so our dinner plates come out filthy. Ah but we hear lefties say things like how “decent” a man he was — you know, because of those fake tears after Sandy Hook. I’d say Trump’s batting average in tagging people with damaging nicknames is right around 1.000.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    If I hadn't gone to A.E.'s link, I'd never have thought this either, Bragadocious. I guess I don't hang out with the "right" people.

    BTW, I get Trump's insult, but if you want to just go for a general insulting name, why not call him "Joe Bidet"? What, too high-brow?
    , @RadicalCenter
    Obama is VERY, VERY popular among people here in LA City and County, of all races but especially white lefties and blacks. Half the women here would give "Barrack" a blowjob to show their admiration, and probably at least 10% percent of the "men" too.

    know many people in California, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois, for example, who would gladly vote for him again -- and say that they would vote for his wife, too, if she runs.

    I think Biden / Michelle Obama or even Sanders / Michelle Obama beats Trump -- unless white turnout increases so massively as to outweigh the increase in black turnout (and presumably urban voter fraud) that we'd see if the more-masculine Obama gets put on the ticket.

  3. Kamala was the black candidate (and who Obama was behind). She thankfully faltered.

    But neither Biden nor Sanders has a chance. Among other reasons, they are both too old (ages 78 and 79 at inauguration in early 2021).

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    Sanders is the Democrats best chance. The reason is not an obvious one. Howard Dean was always amazed at Sanders' ability to capture the rural (normally very conservative) vote in Vermont. Trump won 84.3% of the counties in the US and despite losing the popular vote substantially, won the electoral college substantially. Trump is unbeatable in the electoral college as long as he retains his huge lead in county percentage. Sanders is the only candidate who can make a dent in that. Obama was able to pick up the rural and suburban vote in enough places that he was able to win the electoral college.

    Only Sanders can challenge Trump for the rural and suburban vote. Of course the mainstream Democrats will do everything they can to derail Sanders and Sanders pissed off a lot of his base from 2016 by supporting Clinton and with his Russiagate bullshit. Much of his base hated the Russiagate bullshit. So Sanders is better known this time but has much more lukewarm support than last time.

    Biden, called by the left wing as Bidone, will not make it through the primaries as his dementia becomes more and more evident, and the schoolmarm Pocahontas Warren will never win enough rural or suburban vote to challenge Trump. Sanders is Trump's worst match-up and Trump knows it. But Sanders has a huge task to make it through the DNC gauntlet. Bidone and Pocahantas will have to fall by the wayside because the DNC is putting all of their marbles on them.

  4. @Thomm
    Kamala was the black candidate (and who Obama was behind). She thankfully faltered.

    But neither Biden nor Sanders has a chance. Among other reasons, they are both too old (ages 78 and 79 at inauguration in early 2021).

    Sanders is the Democrats best chance. The reason is not an obvious one. Howard Dean was always amazed at Sanders’ ability to capture the rural (normally very conservative) vote in Vermont. Trump won 84.3% of the counties in the US and despite losing the popular vote substantially, won the electoral college substantially. Trump is unbeatable in the electoral college as long as he retains his huge lead in county percentage. Sanders is the only candidate who can make a dent in that. Obama was able to pick up the rural and suburban vote in enough places that he was able to win the electoral college.

    Only Sanders can challenge Trump for the rural and suburban vote. Of course the mainstream Democrats will do everything they can to derail Sanders and Sanders pissed off a lot of his base from 2016 by supporting Clinton and with his Russiagate bullshit. Much of his base hated the Russiagate bullshit. So Sanders is better known this time but has much more lukewarm support than last time.

    Biden, called by the left wing as Bidone, will not make it through the primaries as his dementia becomes more and more evident, and the schoolmarm Pocahontas Warren will never win enough rural or suburban vote to challenge Trump. Sanders is Trump’s worst match-up and Trump knows it. But Sanders has a huge task to make it through the DNC gauntlet. Bidone and Pocahantas will have to fall by the wayside because the DNC is putting all of their marbles on them.

    • Replies: @Thomm

    at Sanders’ ability to capture the rural (normally very conservative) vote in Vermont.
     
    A lot of White Nationalists also prefer Sanders over any Republican, due to the left-wing economic views of WNs. This adds to his apparently puzzling demographic results.

    But Sanders is just too old. Period. So is Biden.

  5. I don’t understand why everyone is writing off sanders.

    -Sanders has improved with Black voters (I believe other polls have him higher but still below biden)
    -He can raise a ton of cash and has a dedicated group of supporters
    -He appears to be doing fine with hispanics and is winning there in the latest cbs poll

    I think he can win in the way John McCain won the 2008 nomination.

    personally, I think Sanders is undervalued in prediction markets
    https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/sanders

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
    It looks like the Democratic power brokers are beginning to line up behind Warren to stop Sanders--because they _must_ stop him.

    These power brokers have an amazing track record in getting their candidates the nomination since the McGovern debacle. (I think the magic words spoken in the DNC back rooms was: "Never again"... )
  6. @davidgmillsatty
    Sanders is the Democrats best chance. The reason is not an obvious one. Howard Dean was always amazed at Sanders' ability to capture the rural (normally very conservative) vote in Vermont. Trump won 84.3% of the counties in the US and despite losing the popular vote substantially, won the electoral college substantially. Trump is unbeatable in the electoral college as long as he retains his huge lead in county percentage. Sanders is the only candidate who can make a dent in that. Obama was able to pick up the rural and suburban vote in enough places that he was able to win the electoral college.

    Only Sanders can challenge Trump for the rural and suburban vote. Of course the mainstream Democrats will do everything they can to derail Sanders and Sanders pissed off a lot of his base from 2016 by supporting Clinton and with his Russiagate bullshit. Much of his base hated the Russiagate bullshit. So Sanders is better known this time but has much more lukewarm support than last time.

    Biden, called by the left wing as Bidone, will not make it through the primaries as his dementia becomes more and more evident, and the schoolmarm Pocahontas Warren will never win enough rural or suburban vote to challenge Trump. Sanders is Trump's worst match-up and Trump knows it. But Sanders has a huge task to make it through the DNC gauntlet. Bidone and Pocahantas will have to fall by the wayside because the DNC is putting all of their marbles on them.

    at Sanders’ ability to capture the rural (normally very conservative) vote in Vermont.

    A lot of White Nationalists also prefer Sanders over any Republican, due to the left-wing economic views of WNs. This adds to his apparently puzzling demographic results.

    But Sanders is just too old. Period. So is Biden.

  7. Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today

    Retards who love that retard will never vote for Trump, so what’s the problem?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Ha, I just read Bragadocious' comment too, and I found this amazing that the Øb☭ma would place anywhere higher than Jimmy Carter (who was a good man, but not a good President). I went to your link, A.E. with the nice data broken up by the standard generation names.

    It's only the Millennials of whom a majority say Øb☭ma was the best President in their lifetimes (with Gen-X giving him 2nd to Ronald Reagan). It begs the question again, per Peak Stupidity, "Are the Millennials Retarded?"
    , @dc.sunsets


    Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today
     
    Retards who love that retard will never vote for Trump, so what’s the problem?
     
    Sparklefarts is a product of the MSM, top to bottom. His actual "record" is abysmal, and if one listed it without attribution most Americas wouldn't piss on it if it was on fire.

    Maybe Trump knows something is coming, some kind of "reframe."

    Wishful thinking, I know.
  8. Biden has become the de facto black candidate.

    Well then, we better get that other wildly popular former black President, Bill Clinton, out there to stump for Uncle Joe.

    While Trump allegedly doesn’t read books, he does read polls. He comments on them more than any other politician in US history ever has and he regularly belittles people who aren’t faring well in them:

    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.
     
    He isn’t intellectual, but seems to have very good instincts. Still, he has certain weaknesses, such as indiscipline and inability to concentrate on what is really important.

    The problem with people who have good instincts, but are not analytical, is that when they are insulated from reality, their instincts become obstinacy and betrays them spectacularly. A prime example would be Hitler whose unconventional instincts proved his cautious generals and diplomats wrong time and again... until they didn’t and proved to be catastrophic for him and his country.

    Some of the most dangerous people (dangerous to themselves and their supporters, not just enemies) are those who buck the trend and are proven right a few times. They acquire a halo of invincibility and end up deluding themselves and those they lead. Fortune may favor the bold, but nobody is lucky forever. You roll the dice enough times, eventually the odds catch up to you.
    , @Twodees Partain
    "Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President."

    Probably true, since W was simply the first idiot president. The picture of Trump as Rainmain is a poignant one indeed.
  9. Trump’s disdain for former president Obama is well known and he’s never given much indication of being a particularly numerate person

    As with his unparalleled ability to make himself profit by delivering a building on time and under budget.

    It’s curious. It could be a consequence of the quintessential boomer getting his news from Fox and thinking that associating Biden with president O’Bummer will sink his toughest challenger. Trump genuinely thinks it’s a zinger.

    Or maybe Trump’s real point is Biden is a white man who has made controversial comments about segregationists.

    Warren would never be allowed to take power, she has disqualified herself

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/456006-warrens-pledge-to-avoid-first-nuclear-strike-sparks-intense-pushback

    “Key question for Elizabeth Warren @ewarren today – which American cities and how many American citizens are you willing to sacrifice with your policy of forcing the US to absorb a nuclear attack …?” Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) tweeted the day after the debate.

    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    If Liz Cheney is trashing Warren, I may need to re-evaluate my negative opinion of her. Wyoming's female Bolton, ugh.
    , @dfordoom

    Warren would never be allowed to take power, she has disqualified herself
     
    Hang on a minute. Warren is saying she wouldn't start a nuclear war. Are you saying that's a bad thing?
  10. @The Alarmist

    Biden has become the de facto black candidate.
     
    Well then, we better get that other wildly popular former black President, Bill Clinton, out there to stump for Uncle Joe.

    While Trump allegedly doesn’t read books, he does read polls. He comments on them more than any other politician in US history ever has and he regularly belittles people who aren’t faring well in them:
     
    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.

    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.

    He isn’t intellectual, but seems to have very good instincts. Still, he has certain weaknesses, such as indiscipline and inability to concentrate on what is really important.

    The problem with people who have good instincts, but are not analytical, is that when they are insulated from reality, their instincts become obstinacy and betrays them spectacularly. A prime example would be Hitler whose unconventional instincts proved his cautious generals and diplomats wrong time and again… until they didn’t and proved to be catastrophic for him and his country.

    Some of the most dangerous people (dangerous to themselves and their supporters, not just enemies) are those who buck the trend and are proven right a few times. They acquire a halo of invincibility and end up deluding themselves and those they lead. Fortune may favor the bold, but nobody is lucky forever. You roll the dice enough times, eventually the odds catch up to you.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Still, he has certain weaknesses,"

    Like listening to his daft daughter and her husband.

    "The problem with people who have good instincts, but are not analytical, is that when they are insulated from reality, their instincts become obstinacy and betrays them spectacularly. "

    See above.
  11. @Twinkie

    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.
     
    He isn’t intellectual, but seems to have very good instincts. Still, he has certain weaknesses, such as indiscipline and inability to concentrate on what is really important.

    The problem with people who have good instincts, but are not analytical, is that when they are insulated from reality, their instincts become obstinacy and betrays them spectacularly. A prime example would be Hitler whose unconventional instincts proved his cautious generals and diplomats wrong time and again... until they didn’t and proved to be catastrophic for him and his country.

    Some of the most dangerous people (dangerous to themselves and their supporters, not just enemies) are those who buck the trend and are proven right a few times. They acquire a halo of invincibility and end up deluding themselves and those they lead. Fortune may favor the bold, but nobody is lucky forever. You roll the dice enough times, eventually the odds catch up to you.

    “Still, he has certain weaknesses,”

    Like listening to his daft daughter and her husband.

    “The problem with people who have good instincts, but are not analytical, is that when they are insulated from reality, their instincts become obstinacy and betrays them spectacularly. ”

    See above.

  12. I’m pretty much in a “let’s get the collapse over with” phase, so I’m likely going to vote for Trump’s opponent. (In Illinois it doesn’t matter anyway.)

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    You might get your collapse sooner than you think, but in a land where my choices are an idiot with a hot wife or the embodiment of pure evil, I'll vote for the hot wife and the baggage she comes with.

    I do wish Melania could channel her inner Nancy Reagan and find some place The Don could exile JarVanka. How about to London as our Ambassador to the EU vassal state known as the United (cough, cough) Kingdom?
    , @Twinkie

    “let’s get the collapse over with” phase
     
    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.
     
    Let’s not go crazy. I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. That means he “opened eyes” for many regarding the possibilities of anti-establishment populism, but it also means that he is constrained in the depth of his policy implementation.

    The fat lady hasn’t sung yet, and we may get a reversal in some form still. I’m not ready to go full Yugo just yet, given I can anticipate what that entails. And I write this as someone who is enormously, angrily fed up with how things are.
    , @nebulafox
    >I’m pretty much in a “let’s get the collapse over with” phase, so I’m likely going to vote for Trump’s opponent.

    I'm not. Civil conflict is always brutal. But ones with ethno-sectarian overtones in particular aren't jokes. Tribal loyalty is a motivating factor like no other. Conflicts that revolve around it have always been particularly nasty, even on humanity's already impressive standards. Multi-racial societies that engage in ethnic games while they are dealing with massive problems elsewhere, be they economic, structural, or social, are playing with matches near a gas tank.

    The richest part? The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I'd deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm. MSM reporters, immigration policy bureaucrats, think tank MMQs, online armchair warriors, mass shooters, mentally ill college dropouts. If they don't get whacked, they'll starve.

    The only exception to this I can think of are the kinds of warlord personalities that exist on the fringes of every society. These are the kind of people who cannot function during peacetime, living lives of quiet desperation, but come to life like vampires during war. They need decay, violence, and chaos to bring out their "talents" and charisma. To give a concrete example: Adolf Hitler was the warlord personality par excellence. He seemed to have viewed his life as for all intents and purposes as having only "really" started in 1914, and in a sense, he was right. They are out there. He (it'll always be a he) is lurking behind the blue screen of a computer most likely, waiting, wondering what the purpose of his life is right now, but staying alive out of a vague sense of being reserved for something. And if things go to hell, they'll be the ones dominating the show in the end, not the powers-at-be who inevitably dismiss them, will try to control or guide them, and will get burnt. The USA has a much wider margin for error than some other very unfortunate multi-ethnic societies whose elites use ethnic games as an excuse to not deal with-or to "deal" with-deep structural problems, but we're not invulnerable to the laws of human nature.

    Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come.

    , @Not My Economy
    I think Trump is the accelerationist candidate. If he's re-elected, there will be no going back to the before time. Mask off until the end. Good chance that Trump winning would also break the democratic party, which is already not in good shape from an organizational and financial point of view.

    By the way, there ain't gonna be "collapse" the way people in this thread are talking about it about it (the boogaloo). The collapse is already happening all around you. Life expectancy, family formation both plummeting. Suicide through the roof. Everyday nuisance index is off the charts. Powers that be are telling us we all need to accept reduced living standards. This is what collapse looks like. It takes a while.

    But, if you want the boogaloo (I know yada yada you don't want it) then re-electing Trump and causing a left wing chimpout is a good way to try.
  13. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm pretty much in a "let's get the collapse over with" phase, so I'm likely going to vote for Trump's opponent. (In Illinois it doesn't matter anyway.)

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    You might get your collapse sooner than you think, but in a land where my choices are an idiot with a hot wife or the embodiment of pure evil, I’ll vote for the hot wife and the baggage she comes with.

    I do wish Melania could channel her inner Nancy Reagan and find some place The Don could exile JarVanka. How about to London as our Ambassador to the EU vassal state known as the United (cough, cough) Kingdom?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    I get that. FTR, I don't want "my" collapse, I just don't see any other way to stop the ship from sinking - demographically, culturally, politically, or economically.

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.
  14. @The Alarmist
    You might get your collapse sooner than you think, but in a land where my choices are an idiot with a hot wife or the embodiment of pure evil, I'll vote for the hot wife and the baggage she comes with.

    I do wish Melania could channel her inner Nancy Reagan and find some place The Don could exile JarVanka. How about to London as our Ambassador to the EU vassal state known as the United (cough, cough) Kingdom?

    I get that. FTR, I don’t want “my” collapse, I just don’t see any other way to stop the ship from sinking – demographically, culturally, politically, or economically.

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Additionally, because people have no clue on the long term debt hole and FED-created unsound money, etc., when the big financial crash happens it'll be blamed erroneously on whomever is President*. It might as well be blamed on the blue-squad... just for the record if nothing else.

    I do agree that it'd be a lot better for Melania to pick up a 1st-Lady thing, like "Eat your Vegetables" for lady Øb☭ma, "Just say no!" for Nancy, "I'm baking a gov't health plan" then, "screw you, bitch" for the Hildabeast and the 1994 voters respectively, "Pick up your trash" for the Lady Bird, etc. It keeps them busy, so they won't nag their husbands.

    See Washington FS and First Ladies.

    .

    * I'm not saying the idiot Socialist D-squad won't make it worse faster ...
    , @dc.sunsets

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.
     
    At least we'd get a chance to see if the certified morons sent to Congress would actually attempt to legislate things half the country would utterly ignore.

    I still think that when the music finally stops, we'll discover that no one gives a rat's ass about the National political system. Once they can't float more debt paper, their ability to buy political power will evaporate. If they also try to coerce the left's talking points into every home, the secession-style thing typified by "sanctuary cities/states" will be minuscule by comparison.

    I'd imagine cities, counties and even states simply telling the Cortez-types to Go F Yourselves. See if you can send in the Army...good luck with that.

    If I'm informed correctly, one of the Mountain states already allows privately-made firearm suppressors (in open defiance of the NFA 1934) as long as they're kept inside the state line. This is just the first snowflake of a very large coming avalanche.
  15. RE: NC 9th

    woke suburban vote was up

    non-woke rural vote was up even more

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    I saw that.

    A couple of the light blue rural counties flipped. The exurban county was deep red. Good result for R (if you care about the muh red team stuff).

    Strange that the Rs did so poorly in the midterm 2018. Why is that? And why would they rebound now; you would expect that if the voters fell off the Trump train they wouldn't get back on 1 year later.

    I wish I could say whites were becoming woke about the woke, but I'll believe that when I see it.

    These suburban white women are out of control... where are the husbands at? I doubt there's very many single power women in the Mecklenburg suburbs.

    Or maybe it's all rigged, all a show and all fake narrative anyways who knows.
  16. No matter what Warren is polling with blacks right now, black women will ultimately turn out and vote for her if she is the nominee – they are the most loyal Democratic constituency and it’s not even remotely close. On the flipside, black men will be distinctly less enthusiastic and will probably vote in lower overall numbers and percentages for her than they did for Clinton.

    What isn’t known is how many white Trump voters don’t show up or switch their votes, and that will decide the election.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    I consider the Stacey Abrams factor in determining which of the awful Democratic candidates would be the least dangerous for the country. Skeleton-head Biden will most assuredly choose the Beast (Ms. Abrams) as his running mate should he receive the nomination. Sanders is a close second in choosing the Beast. But Warren, who now seems to be the favored choice of the Dem elites because Skeleton-head has obvious cognitive issues, is less likely to choose another woman, perhaps reaching for the ultimate balance and choosing a black man. President Blumpf!'s hold on the White House will remain tenuous; so I'm hoping for a Warren/Black Man ticket. Because the number one objective should be keeping the Beast away from obtaining her heart's desire: power to punish those who don't recognize her beauty.
  17. @Oleaginous Outrager

    Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today
     
    Retards who love that retard will never vote for Trump, so what's the problem?

    Ha, I just read Bragadocious’ comment too, and I found this amazing that the Øb☭ma would place anywhere higher than Jimmy Carter (who was a good man, but not a good President). I went to your link, A.E. with the nice data broken up by the standard generation names.

    It’s only the Millennials of whom a majority say Øb☭ma was the best President in their lifetimes (with Gen-X giving him 2nd to Ronald Reagan). It begs the question again, per Peak Stupidity, “Are the Millennials Retarded?”

  18. @Bragadocious
    I don't know who Obama is popular with other than the NYT commenting hive. No one I know, from either the left or right likes him. His body of work is complete so we know everything, from droning wedding parties to crappy food stamps healthcare to depriving our dishwashers of water so our dinner plates come out filthy. Ah but we hear lefties say things like how "decent" a man he was -- you know, because of those fake tears after Sandy Hook. I'd say Trump's batting average in tagging people with damaging nicknames is right around 1.000.

    If I hadn’t gone to A.E.’s link, I’d never have thought this either, Bragadocious. I guess I don’t hang out with the “right” people.

    BTW, I get Trump’s insult, but if you want to just go for a general insulting name, why not call him “Joe Bidet”? What, too high-brow?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Yep. Nobody has even heard the word bidet.
  19. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I get that. FTR, I don't want "my" collapse, I just don't see any other way to stop the ship from sinking - demographically, culturally, politically, or economically.

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.

    Additionally, because people have no clue on the long term debt hole and FED-created unsound money, etc., when the big financial crash happens it’ll be blamed erroneously on whomever is President*. It might as well be blamed on the blue-squad… just for the record if nothing else.

    I do agree that it’d be a lot better for Melania to pick up a 1st-Lady thing, like “Eat your Vegetables” for lady Øb☭ma, “Just say no!” for Nancy, “I’m baking a gov’t health plan” then, “screw you, bitch” for the Hildabeast and the 1994 voters respectively, “Pick up your trash” for the Lady Bird, etc. It keeps them busy, so they won’t nag their husbands.

    See Washington FS and First Ladies.

    .

    * I’m not saying the idiot Socialist D-squad won’t make it worse faster …

  20. dc.sunsets [AKA "Astonished"] says:
    @Oleaginous Outrager

    Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today
     
    Retards who love that retard will never vote for Trump, so what's the problem?

    Obama is one of if not the most popular American politicians today

    Retards who love that retard will never vote for Trump, so what’s the problem?

    Sparklefarts is a product of the MSM, top to bottom. His actual “record” is abysmal, and if one listed it without attribution most Americas wouldn’t piss on it if it was on fire.

    Maybe Trump knows something is coming, some kind of “reframe.”

    Wishful thinking, I know.

  21. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm pretty much in a "let's get the collapse over with" phase, so I'm likely going to vote for Trump's opponent. (In Illinois it doesn't matter anyway.)

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    “let’s get the collapse over with” phase

    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    Let’s not go crazy. I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. That means he “opened eyes” for many regarding the possibilities of anti-establishment populism, but it also means that he is constrained in the depth of his policy implementation.

    The fat lady hasn’t sung yet, and we may get a reversal in some form still. I’m not ready to go full Yugo just yet, given I can anticipate what that entails. And I write this as someone who is enormously, angrily fed up with how things are.

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets

    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?
     
    This, times millions.

    We live in a vast game of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." We don't know how far down the rabbit hole things will go when the music stops. What results won't be like prepping for the month of difficulty following a Cat 4 hurricane. It will mean hunger, forced migration, localized fits of violent chaos and the replacing of today's deafening racket of lies with........silence...........

    Look around you. What happens if you don't have reliable electricity for a month? (If it rains a lot, my house will become uninhabitable.) Electricity runs the water pumps for your running water. It runs the gasoline pumps. Who will be among the fortunate to have access to CAT engines running high MW generators (and the diesel to keep them humming?) Who will still have access to natural gas?

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm. We don't know what will be lost when the calm turns to storm.

    What will be, will be.
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?"

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you'd already know that I do. You're failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other's here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn't be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It's dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    "I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. "

    It' seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse. At most he has been an *intermissional* figure.
  22. dc.sunsets [AKA "Astonished"] says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike
    I get that. FTR, I don't want "my" collapse, I just don't see any other way to stop the ship from sinking - demographically, culturally, politically, or economically.

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.

    If anything, watching a demented Warren or Biden bumble through a gaff filled presidency would be amusing, in contrast to the perpetual frustration created by an ineffectual populist.

    At least we’d get a chance to see if the certified morons sent to Congress would actually attempt to legislate things half the country would utterly ignore.

    I still think that when the music finally stops, we’ll discover that no one gives a rat’s ass about the National political system. Once they can’t float more debt paper, their ability to buy political power will evaporate. If they also try to coerce the left’s talking points into every home, the secession-style thing typified by “sanctuary cities/states” will be minuscule by comparison.

    I’d imagine cities, counties and even states simply telling the Cortez-types to Go F Yourselves. See if you can send in the Army…good luck with that.

    If I’m informed correctly, one of the Mountain states already allows privately-made firearm suppressors (in open defiance of the NFA 1934) as long as they’re kept inside the state line. This is just the first snowflake of a very large coming avalanche.

  23. dc.sunsets [AKA "Astonished"] says:
    @Twinkie

    “let’s get the collapse over with” phase
     
    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.
     
    Let’s not go crazy. I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. That means he “opened eyes” for many regarding the possibilities of anti-establishment populism, but it also means that he is constrained in the depth of his policy implementation.

    The fat lady hasn’t sung yet, and we may get a reversal in some form still. I’m not ready to go full Yugo just yet, given I can anticipate what that entails. And I write this as someone who is enormously, angrily fed up with how things are.

    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?

    This, times millions.

    We live in a vast game of “be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.” We don’t know how far down the rabbit hole things will go when the music stops. What results won’t be like prepping for the month of difficulty following a Cat 4 hurricane. It will mean hunger, forced migration, localized fits of violent chaos and the replacing of today’s deafening racket of lies with……..silence………..

    Look around you. What happens if you don’t have reliable electricity for a month? (If it rains a lot, my house will become uninhabitable.) Electricity runs the water pumps for your running water. It runs the gasoline pumps. Who will be among the fortunate to have access to CAT engines running high MW generators (and the diesel to keep them humming?) Who will still have access to natural gas?

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm. We don’t know what will be lost when the calm turns to storm.

    What will be, will be.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm.
     
    Yup. Our water, energy, and sanitation infrastructure (as well as food and resource distribution system) is pretty delicately balanced. One major problem with a relatively high efficiency, high complexity system is lack of redundancy and inability to cope with shock.
    , @Justvisiting
    Generators are very dangerous to have (or at least turn on) in a time of civil strife.

    They are like a megaphone screaming: "Attack me. I have lots of good stuff here."
  24. @Jim Christian
    When I saw O'Biden, I thought that was The Scot making fun of The Irishman.

    When I saw O’Biden, I thought that was The Scot making fun of The Irishman.

    Scottish people made their peace with the English Hun bastards, and the Irish and Germans didn’t. The Welsh people enjoyed waylaying wayward Saxons and then Normans in the hills of the Welsh Marches and environs, but even they made their peace with the sneaky English scoundrels.

    If I recall correctly, David Hackett Fischer wrote a sentence or two explaining why he thought the Irish and the Germans in colonial America and then the USA didn’t contribute much to the formation of the political system and the cultural folkways of colonial America and the USA.

    Irish municipal job-grabbing and vote-stealing should be politely ignored.

    I right off the bat saw the O’Biden and thought that Trumpy was giving the part Irish guy Joe Biden a good-natured pop over his Irish ancestry. Biden is Irish and English and German by ancestry and all arsehole by nature. Obama has Irish ancestry on his mother’s side.

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire gave the German Americans a lot of grief before and during civilization-wrecking WWI and again during WWII.

    The Irish and German American vote is massively important politically mostly because of all the Krauts in the Great Lakes states of Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

    There is a horrible story that the Celts who are Welsh and Scottish and Breton and that other one I forget have a special love for the Celtic sweethearts called the Irish. The other Celts love the Irish and they just want what’s best for them.

    Attention all Leprechauns and Krauts:

    I have Irish and German ancestry on my father’s side but my Irish and German ancestors got to colonial America a long time ago. I love you Irish and German people! Even you 1848’er pot banger Krauts!

    Joe Biden pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    Biden and Carter and Kennedy ramped up the REFUGEE OVERLOAD SCAM in 1980.

    Tweets from 2015:

  25. @Twinkie

    “let’s get the collapse over with” phase
     
    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.
     
    Let’s not go crazy. I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. That means he “opened eyes” for many regarding the possibilities of anti-establishment populism, but it also means that he is constrained in the depth of his policy implementation.

    The fat lady hasn’t sung yet, and we may get a reversal in some form still. I’m not ready to go full Yugo just yet, given I can anticipate what that entails. And I write this as someone who is enormously, angrily fed up with how things are.

    “During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?”

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you’d already know that I do. You’re failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other’s here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn’t be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It’s dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    “I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. ”

    It’ seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse. At most he has been an *intermissional* figure.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you’d already know that I do. You’re failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other’s here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn’t be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It’s dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.
     
    That’s a lot of ad hominem. And straw men. Don’t read more into what wrote than... what I wrote.
    , @Twodees Partain
    Mike, he's obviously nowhere near half as smart as he claims to be. He also claims to be some kind of ninja warrior type. Ignore him. I do.
    , @dfordoom

    It’ seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse.
     
    The Trump presidency might well be a transitional stage, but it's not necessarily going to be a transition to something better or to something more congenial for those of us who think that western society is currently circling the drain.

    The Trump presidency has made the globalists and SJWs much more motivated, much more determined and much more extreme. Trump has provided them with an Emmanuel Goldstein - a heaven-sent excuse for accelerating the drive towards totalitarianism. An excuse to crack down on dissidence. A motivation to ensure that populism can never again threaten them.

    Once Trump is out of the White House there is likely to be a crackdown on a scale that will make your eyes water. And not just in the U.S. - since Trump was elected Britain has taken giant strides towards overt totalitarianism (Theresa May was the most totalitarian British prime minister in history and Boris Johnson is more of a globalist than May). Trump has provided inspiration for would-be totalitarians throughout the West.

    And if Trump wins a second term the hysteria will be ramped up even further, and the ensuing crackdown will be even more severe.
  26. @iffen
    RE: NC 9th

    woke suburban vote was up

    non-woke rural vote was up even more

    I saw that.

    A couple of the light blue rural counties flipped. The exurban county was deep red. Good result for R (if you care about the muh red team stuff).

    Strange that the Rs did so poorly in the midterm 2018. Why is that? And why would they rebound now; you would expect that if the voters fell off the Trump train they wouldn’t get back on 1 year later.

    I wish I could say whites were becoming woke about the woke, but I’ll believe that when I see it.

    These suburban white women are out of control… where are the husbands at? I doubt there’s very many single power women in the Mecklenburg suburbs.

    Or maybe it’s all rigged, all a show and all fake narrative anyways who knows.

  27. Biden will never be president. He is way too old (and it’s gonna get worse!), way too stupid, and he believes ridiculous, untrue things. Plus, (((Our Best Friends Forever))) don’t want him. He will either drop out or drop dead in harness on the trail. Question is, which remaining retard gets his votes?

    Personally I don’t care. Trump 1.0 was America’s last chance to take the necessary steps to avoid partition or a civil war. Trump did nothing, he did worse than nothing, he just licked Jewish feet, he even licked between the Jewish toes, and so now the Great Divorce is baked in. A second Trump term is a second term of nothing, just more of Trump on his hands and knees, eagerly licking Jewish feet. A Dem win will open America’s eyes to the Lovecraftian horrors that await, only now it’s too late, thanks to Trump’s inaction.

    And to think that with only a tiny bit of wisdom, all this could have been avoided.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
    Lizzie Borden Warren is of Tennessee militia stock and she might just go complete and total berserker if she is elected president.

    A President Warren might just tell enough of the truth about the frigging rigged financial games in the USA that she motivates the young people of all races to completely and totally repudiate all government and private debt. Even Trumpy is talking about rolling over debt at negative interest rates as a means to keep this disgusting financialized empire going for a few more years.

    A total debt jubilee will allow White Core America the space to financially liquidate those who need to be financially liquidated. That includes many, many millions of Whites born before 1965.

    Phucking Phil Gramm just wrote a crybaby propaganda article saying that Warren might pinch a few pennies from the ill-gotten gains of some White baby boomer money-grubbers. Gramm is the slob who cut the banks loose to financialize the Hell out of any damn thing that moves.

    Phil Gramm is a disgusting treasonous liar who did everything he could to de-industrialize the USA while simultaneously pushing the Federal Reserve Bank to create multiple asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    Phil Gramm pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    Another reason not to vote for the Republican Party is that guys like Phil Gramm run the Republican Party.

    Phil Gramm -- like Judd Greg -- is no more than a rancid whore for greedy and treasonous money-grubbing bankers and other financial interests.

    Brooksley Born might have something to say to this filthy cad named Phil Gramm!

    Of course that Canadian interloper Teddy Cruz made Phil Gramm an economic advisor to his failed 2016 presidential campaign!

    WARREN IS ACCELERATIONISM

    IMPLODE THE ASSET BUBBLES NOW!

    GOD BLESS THE USA!

    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1171845917428846594?s=20
    , @Twodees Partain
    Agreed. If Trump actually had any political instincts of his own, he would have been studiously ignoring Biden as just one among the dozen in the clown car. We can hope that a second Trump term would be more nothing, and that's as much hope as there is in the thought of four more years.

    I've come to the conclusion that electoral politics is only good as comedy. It's a dark sort of comedy and following it leads to learning that the laugh is on me for taking it seriously.
  28. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Biden will never be president. He is way too old (and it's gonna get worse!), way too stupid, and he believes ridiculous, untrue things. Plus, (((Our Best Friends Forever))) don't want him. He will either drop out or drop dead in harness on the trail. Question is, which remaining retard gets his votes?

    Personally I don't care. Trump 1.0 was America's last chance to take the necessary steps to avoid partition or a civil war. Trump did nothing, he did worse than nothing, he just licked Jewish feet, he even licked between the Jewish toes, and so now the Great Divorce is baked in. A second Trump term is a second term of nothing, just more of Trump on his hands and knees, eagerly licking Jewish feet. A Dem win will open America's eyes to the Lovecraftian horrors that await, only now it's too late, thanks to Trump's inaction.

    And to think that with only a tiny bit of wisdom, all this could have been avoided.

    Lizzie Borden Warren is of Tennessee militia stock and she might just go complete and total berserker if she is elected president.

    A President Warren might just tell enough of the truth about the frigging rigged financial games in the USA that she motivates the young people of all races to completely and totally repudiate all government and private debt. Even Trumpy is talking about rolling over debt at negative interest rates as a means to keep this disgusting financialized empire going for a few more years.

    A total debt jubilee will allow White Core America the space to financially liquidate those who need to be financially liquidated. That includes many, many millions of Whites born before 1965.

    Phucking Phil Gramm just wrote a crybaby propaganda article saying that Warren might pinch a few pennies from the ill-gotten gains of some White baby boomer money-grubbers. Gramm is the slob who cut the banks loose to financialize the Hell out of any damn thing that moves.

    Phil Gramm is a disgusting treasonous liar who did everything he could to de-industrialize the USA while simultaneously pushing the Federal Reserve Bank to create multiple asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    Phil Gramm pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    Another reason not to vote for the Republican Party is that guys like Phil Gramm run the Republican Party.

    Phil Gramm — like Judd Greg — is no more than a rancid whore for greedy and treasonous money-grubbing bankers and other financial interests.

    Brooksley Born might have something to say to this filthy cad named Phil Gramm!

    Of course that Canadian interloper Teddy Cruz made Phil Gramm an economic advisor to his failed 2016 presidential campaign!

    WARREN IS ACCELERATIONISM

    IMPLODE THE ASSET BUBBLES NOW!

    GOD BLESS THE USA!

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I'll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.
  29. dc.sunsets [AKA "Astonished"] says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Lizzie Borden Warren is of Tennessee militia stock and she might just go complete and total berserker if she is elected president.

    A President Warren might just tell enough of the truth about the frigging rigged financial games in the USA that she motivates the young people of all races to completely and totally repudiate all government and private debt. Even Trumpy is talking about rolling over debt at negative interest rates as a means to keep this disgusting financialized empire going for a few more years.

    A total debt jubilee will allow White Core America the space to financially liquidate those who need to be financially liquidated. That includes many, many millions of Whites born before 1965.

    Phucking Phil Gramm just wrote a crybaby propaganda article saying that Warren might pinch a few pennies from the ill-gotten gains of some White baby boomer money-grubbers. Gramm is the slob who cut the banks loose to financialize the Hell out of any damn thing that moves.

    Phil Gramm is a disgusting treasonous liar who did everything he could to de-industrialize the USA while simultaneously pushing the Federal Reserve Bank to create multiple asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate.

    Phil Gramm pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and REFUGEE OVERLOAD and ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION.

    Another reason not to vote for the Republican Party is that guys like Phil Gramm run the Republican Party.

    Phil Gramm -- like Judd Greg -- is no more than a rancid whore for greedy and treasonous money-grubbing bankers and other financial interests.

    Brooksley Born might have something to say to this filthy cad named Phil Gramm!

    Of course that Canadian interloper Teddy Cruz made Phil Gramm an economic advisor to his failed 2016 presidential campaign!

    WARREN IS ACCELERATIONISM

    IMPLODE THE ASSET BUBBLES NOW!

    GOD BLESS THE USA!

    https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1171845917428846594?s=20

    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I’ll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Though I thought he is a Baby Boomer himself, Mr. Pewitt speaks a lot of truth. Unfortunately, I think Chief Warren will abandon her pretty-reasonably-thinking roots* and go full-out Socialist).

    There are lots like you, Astonished, that have paid their own ways and saved, but I advise you strongly, as no kind of financial guy, to just get your money out of the stock market and put it in REAL assets, including REAL money. I hope you've already done that, come to think of it.


    .

    * Hearkening to the days of her Two Income Trap book.
    , @SunBakedSuburb
    How much citizen wealth did the conmen in the financial sector strip away during the 2007-2008 period? Wall Street bankers do not like Warren, which tells me she's not all bad.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I wrote that last comment before I read all the new ones including a couple of yours. I see that you are very aware, and I don't need to advise you of anything - I wish I were more of a prepper myself - it's the situation I'm in now.
    , @Charles Pewitt
    Demography and debt don't care about you or your actions or your feelings.

    You do realize that this nutcake nonsense with monetary extremism and zero interest rates and negative interest rates and asset purchases and the like is to save the financial bacon of those born before 1965? The damn transnational globalizer plutocrats and those born before 1965 are the main beneficiaries of all this horrid monetary extremist horseshit.

    I am talking about coldly assessing the historical situation and stating the truth as I see it.

    The European Christian ancestral core of the USA is under attack and demography and monetary policy and immigration policy are the weapons.

    The baby boomers and those born before 1965 must be financially liquidated.

    The best way to financially liquidate those born before 1965 would be to immediately raise the federal funds rate to twenty percent like it was in 1981.

    The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would instantaneously implode if the federal funds rate were to be raised to twenty percent.

    The plutocrat globalizers bought off the brain dead nation-wreckers born before 1965 with government debt and asset bubbles that enriched them. White Core American Patriots born after 1965 must gain control of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and then immediately implode all asset bubbles in the USA and the rest of the globe.

    Once the asset bubbles are imploded immediate deportations of all illegal alien invaders and citizenship revocations can be used to remove 50 or 60 million foreigners and their spawn.

    It was a moral test to go to a debt-based fiat currency system and those born before 1965 failed miserably. God will send those bastards born before 1965 straight to the hottest pits of fiery HELL!
  30. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?"

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you'd already know that I do. You're failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other's here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn't be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It's dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    "I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. "

    It' seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse. At most he has been an *intermissional* figure.

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you’d already know that I do. You’re failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other’s here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn’t be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It’s dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    That’s a lot of ad hominem. And straw men. Don’t read more into what wrote than… what I wrote.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Apology accepted.
  31. @dc.sunsets

    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?
     
    This, times millions.

    We live in a vast game of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." We don't know how far down the rabbit hole things will go when the music stops. What results won't be like prepping for the month of difficulty following a Cat 4 hurricane. It will mean hunger, forced migration, localized fits of violent chaos and the replacing of today's deafening racket of lies with........silence...........

    Look around you. What happens if you don't have reliable electricity for a month? (If it rains a lot, my house will become uninhabitable.) Electricity runs the water pumps for your running water. It runs the gasoline pumps. Who will be among the fortunate to have access to CAT engines running high MW generators (and the diesel to keep them humming?) Who will still have access to natural gas?

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm. We don't know what will be lost when the calm turns to storm.

    What will be, will be.

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm.

    Yup. Our water, energy, and sanitation infrastructure (as well as food and resource distribution system) is pretty delicately balanced. One major problem with a relatively high efficiency, high complexity system is lack of redundancy and inability to cope with shock.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  32. @dc.sunsets
    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I'll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.

    Though I thought he is a Baby Boomer himself, Mr. Pewitt speaks a lot of truth. Unfortunately, I think Chief Warren will abandon her pretty-reasonably-thinking roots* and go full-out Socialist).

    There are lots like you, Astonished, that have paid their own ways and saved, but I advise you strongly, as no kind of financial guy, to just get your money out of the stock market and put it in REAL assets, including REAL money. I hope you’ve already done that, come to think of it.

    .

    * Hearkening to the days of her Two Income Trap book.

  33. @Arclight
    No matter what Warren is polling with blacks right now, black women will ultimately turn out and vote for her if she is the nominee - they are the most loyal Democratic constituency and it's not even remotely close. On the flipside, black men will be distinctly less enthusiastic and will probably vote in lower overall numbers and percentages for her than they did for Clinton.

    What isn't known is how many white Trump voters don't show up or switch their votes, and that will decide the election.

    I consider the Stacey Abrams factor in determining which of the awful Democratic candidates would be the least dangerous for the country. Skeleton-head Biden will most assuredly choose the Beast (Ms. Abrams) as his running mate should he receive the nomination. Sanders is a close second in choosing the Beast. But Warren, who now seems to be the favored choice of the Dem elites because Skeleton-head has obvious cognitive issues, is less likely to choose another woman, perhaps reaching for the ultimate balance and choosing a black man. President Blumpf!’s hold on the White House will remain tenuous; so I’m hoping for a Warren/Black Man ticket. Because the number one objective should be keeping the Beast away from obtaining her heart’s desire: power to punish those who don’t recognize her beauty.

  34. @dc.sunsets
    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I'll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.

    How much citizen wealth did the conmen in the financial sector strip away during the 2007-2008 period? Wall Street bankers do not like Warren, which tells me she’s not all bad.

  35. The O’Biden Administration=The JFK Administration

    I would prefer a Denis Kearney-Samuel Gompers Administration

    Kearney-Gompers…Now that’s the ticket!!!!

  36. @dc.sunsets
    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I'll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.

    I wrote that last comment before I read all the new ones including a couple of yours. I see that you are very aware, and I don’t need to advise you of anything – I wish I were more of a prepper myself – it’s the situation I’m in now.

  37. @dc.sunsets
    What did your parents do to you to justify such venom?

    As for me, I spent decades paying my own way and living well below my means so I could have a dignified unproductive period of bouncing grandkids on knee.

    You want to steal what I laid aside for winter. I'll bet you can guess what I think about that.

    Que sera, sera. What will be, will be. The future is already written.

    Demography and debt don’t care about you or your actions or your feelings.

    You do realize that this nutcake nonsense with monetary extremism and zero interest rates and negative interest rates and asset purchases and the like is to save the financial bacon of those born before 1965? The damn transnational globalizer plutocrats and those born before 1965 are the main beneficiaries of all this horrid monetary extremist horseshit.

    I am talking about coldly assessing the historical situation and stating the truth as I see it.

    The European Christian ancestral core of the USA is under attack and demography and monetary policy and immigration policy are the weapons.

    The baby boomers and those born before 1965 must be financially liquidated.

    The best way to financially liquidate those born before 1965 would be to immediately raise the federal funds rate to twenty percent like it was in 1981.

    The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would instantaneously implode if the federal funds rate were to be raised to twenty percent.

    The plutocrat globalizers bought off the brain dead nation-wreckers born before 1965 with government debt and asset bubbles that enriched them. White Core American Patriots born after 1965 must gain control of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and then immediately implode all asset bubbles in the USA and the rest of the globe.

    Once the asset bubbles are imploded immediate deportations of all illegal alien invaders and citizenship revocations can be used to remove 50 or 60 million foreigners and their spawn.

    It was a moral test to go to a debt-based fiat currency system and those born before 1965 failed miserably. God will send those bastards born before 1965 straight to the hottest pits of fiery HELL!

    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    "Boomers go to hell," huh?

    That's a sentiment extreme I'd not yet encountered.

    Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. You propose to pull a cornerstone from a very tall Jenga(tm) tower. While I'm not in the least concerned that you'll get your wish via political means, I have to chuckle at your apparent lack of understanding just how far down the rabbit hole your proposals would lead.

    Like I've often said, the future will deliver to neither you nor me what I'd order if there was a menu. I remain of the view that the vast ocean of debt (counted today as wealth) will evaporate to a puddle when social mood ends this unprecedented mania. What is an IOU worth when you (and everyone else) loses trust that the issuer will (or even can) honor its/his/her obligation?

    Nothing.

    I have little doubt that this article is but the tip of a very large iceberg.
    https://www.rt.com/business/468658-us-debt-report-economy/

    A new report suggests that the real US debt level may be $400 trillion, or 20 times higher than the country’s gross domestic product. The calculation includes government, state, local, financial and so-called entitlement debt.
    AB Bernstein, a global asset management firm based on Wall Street, came up with these figures by including in its analysis not only traditional levels of public debt, such as bonds, but also financial debt as well as future obligations for entitlement programs. These include social security, Medicare and public pensions.
     
    Hilariously, they conclude...

    It suggests that, although the figures seem depressingly large, it is important to understand that not all of the debt obligations are concrete, and there may be leeway. This is especially true for the government programs, which form the biggest potential debt but can be changed by legislation or accounting.
     
    Accounting. (Doesn't that make you laugh?) Once it becomes fashionable to default on any "promises" it will become openly inevitable that all promises will be defaulted upon. But it won't be a path "chosen" by political deliberation. It will arrive in a crisis. It always has and always will.

    Until interest rates begin to rise in earnest due to fear that creditors will be stiffed, none of this is relevant. It's a fad, a fashion, and the mass mind will go where it goes, behaving like a sloshing pool of insanity.

    It was always an illusion to imagine that the world around us obeys rational rules.
  38. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm pretty much in a "let's get the collapse over with" phase, so I'm likely going to vote for Trump's opponent. (In Illinois it doesn't matter anyway.)

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    >I’m pretty much in a “let’s get the collapse over with” phase, so I’m likely going to vote for Trump’s opponent.

    I’m not. Civil conflict is always brutal. But ones with ethno-sectarian overtones in particular aren’t jokes. Tribal loyalty is a motivating factor like no other. Conflicts that revolve around it have always been particularly nasty, even on humanity’s already impressive standards. Multi-racial societies that engage in ethnic games while they are dealing with massive problems elsewhere, be they economic, structural, or social, are playing with matches near a gas tank.

    The richest part? The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I’d deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm. MSM reporters, immigration policy bureaucrats, think tank MMQs, online armchair warriors, mass shooters, mentally ill college dropouts. If they don’t get whacked, they’ll starve.

    The only exception to this I can think of are the kinds of warlord personalities that exist on the fringes of every society. These are the kind of people who cannot function during peacetime, living lives of quiet desperation, but come to life like vampires during war. They need decay, violence, and chaos to bring out their “talents” and charisma. To give a concrete example: Adolf Hitler was the warlord personality par excellence. He seemed to have viewed his life as for all intents and purposes as having only “really” started in 1914, and in a sense, he was right. They are out there. He (it’ll always be a he) is lurking behind the blue screen of a computer most likely, waiting, wondering what the purpose of his life is right now, but staying alive out of a vague sense of being reserved for something. And if things go to hell, they’ll be the ones dominating the show in the end, not the powers-at-be who inevitably dismiss them, will try to control or guide them, and will get burnt. The USA has a much wider margin for error than some other very unfortunate multi-ethnic societies whose elites use ethnic games as an excuse to not deal with-or to “deal” with-deep structural problems, but we’re not invulnerable to the laws of human nature.

    Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    If one believed he may have the aforementioned qualities... how would he go about preparing for that?
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come."

    You're another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.

    "The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I’d deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm."

    And people who speak about what's coming as if they've already been through a few cataclysm's themselves are merely using the topic as an opportunity to give themselves a compliment about how much they think they know about the issue.

    But as I've made perfectly clear more than once now, I neither want it nor exacerbate it.
  39. @nebulafox
    >I’m pretty much in a “let’s get the collapse over with” phase, so I’m likely going to vote for Trump’s opponent.

    I'm not. Civil conflict is always brutal. But ones with ethno-sectarian overtones in particular aren't jokes. Tribal loyalty is a motivating factor like no other. Conflicts that revolve around it have always been particularly nasty, even on humanity's already impressive standards. Multi-racial societies that engage in ethnic games while they are dealing with massive problems elsewhere, be they economic, structural, or social, are playing with matches near a gas tank.

    The richest part? The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I'd deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm. MSM reporters, immigration policy bureaucrats, think tank MMQs, online armchair warriors, mass shooters, mentally ill college dropouts. If they don't get whacked, they'll starve.

    The only exception to this I can think of are the kinds of warlord personalities that exist on the fringes of every society. These are the kind of people who cannot function during peacetime, living lives of quiet desperation, but come to life like vampires during war. They need decay, violence, and chaos to bring out their "talents" and charisma. To give a concrete example: Adolf Hitler was the warlord personality par excellence. He seemed to have viewed his life as for all intents and purposes as having only "really" started in 1914, and in a sense, he was right. They are out there. He (it'll always be a he) is lurking behind the blue screen of a computer most likely, waiting, wondering what the purpose of his life is right now, but staying alive out of a vague sense of being reserved for something. And if things go to hell, they'll be the ones dominating the show in the end, not the powers-at-be who inevitably dismiss them, will try to control or guide them, and will get burnt. The USA has a much wider margin for error than some other very unfortunate multi-ethnic societies whose elites use ethnic games as an excuse to not deal with-or to "deal" with-deep structural problems, but we're not invulnerable to the laws of human nature.

    Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come.

    If one believed he may have the aforementioned qualities… how would he go about preparing for that?

  40. I got a question or two for Joe O’Biden and President Trump:

    Would the GDP of the USA be close to ZERO without the trillion dollars in yearly federal government deficit spending?

    How does mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration help the American worker?

  41. @The Alarmist

    Biden has become the de facto black candidate.
     
    Well then, we better get that other wildly popular former black President, Bill Clinton, out there to stump for Uncle Joe.

    While Trump allegedly doesn’t read books, he does read polls. He comments on them more than any other politician in US history ever has and he regularly belittles people who aren’t faring well in them:
     
    Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.

    “Yes, he seems to be our first idiot savant President.”

    Probably true, since W was simply the first idiot president. The picture of Trump as Rainmain is a poignant one indeed.

  42. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?"

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you'd already know that I do. You're failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other's here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn't be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It's dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    "I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. "

    It' seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse. At most he has been an *intermissional* figure.

    Mike, he’s obviously nowhere near half as smart as he claims to be. He also claims to be some kind of ninja warrior type. Ignore him. I do.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    He also claims to be some kind of ninja warrior type. Ignore him. I do.
     
    Of course you do. But only after you couldn’t rise to your own assertions. Internet (and this site) has memories, you know:

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/hypocritic-oath/#comment-3409505
  43. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Biden will never be president. He is way too old (and it's gonna get worse!), way too stupid, and he believes ridiculous, untrue things. Plus, (((Our Best Friends Forever))) don't want him. He will either drop out or drop dead in harness on the trail. Question is, which remaining retard gets his votes?

    Personally I don't care. Trump 1.0 was America's last chance to take the necessary steps to avoid partition or a civil war. Trump did nothing, he did worse than nothing, he just licked Jewish feet, he even licked between the Jewish toes, and so now the Great Divorce is baked in. A second Trump term is a second term of nothing, just more of Trump on his hands and knees, eagerly licking Jewish feet. A Dem win will open America's eyes to the Lovecraftian horrors that await, only now it's too late, thanks to Trump's inaction.

    And to think that with only a tiny bit of wisdom, all this could have been avoided.

    Agreed. If Trump actually had any political instincts of his own, he would have been studiously ignoring Biden as just one among the dozen in the clown car. We can hope that a second Trump term would be more nothing, and that’s as much hope as there is in the thought of four more years.

    I’ve come to the conclusion that electoral politics is only good as comedy. It’s a dark sort of comedy and following it leads to learning that the laugh is on me for taking it seriously.

  44. @nebulafox
    >I’m pretty much in a “let’s get the collapse over with” phase, so I’m likely going to vote for Trump’s opponent.

    I'm not. Civil conflict is always brutal. But ones with ethno-sectarian overtones in particular aren't jokes. Tribal loyalty is a motivating factor like no other. Conflicts that revolve around it have always been particularly nasty, even on humanity's already impressive standards. Multi-racial societies that engage in ethnic games while they are dealing with massive problems elsewhere, be they economic, structural, or social, are playing with matches near a gas tank.

    The richest part? The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I'd deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm. MSM reporters, immigration policy bureaucrats, think tank MMQs, online armchair warriors, mass shooters, mentally ill college dropouts. If they don't get whacked, they'll starve.

    The only exception to this I can think of are the kinds of warlord personalities that exist on the fringes of every society. These are the kind of people who cannot function during peacetime, living lives of quiet desperation, but come to life like vampires during war. They need decay, violence, and chaos to bring out their "talents" and charisma. To give a concrete example: Adolf Hitler was the warlord personality par excellence. He seemed to have viewed his life as for all intents and purposes as having only "really" started in 1914, and in a sense, he was right. They are out there. He (it'll always be a he) is lurking behind the blue screen of a computer most likely, waiting, wondering what the purpose of his life is right now, but staying alive out of a vague sense of being reserved for something. And if things go to hell, they'll be the ones dominating the show in the end, not the powers-at-be who inevitably dismiss them, will try to control or guide them, and will get burnt. The USA has a much wider margin for error than some other very unfortunate multi-ethnic societies whose elites use ethnic games as an excuse to not deal with-or to "deal" with-deep structural problems, but we're not invulnerable to the laws of human nature.

    Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come.

    “Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come.”

    You’re another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.

    “The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I’d deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm.”

    And people who speak about what’s coming as if they’ve already been through a few cataclysm’s themselves are merely using the topic as an opportunity to give themselves a compliment about how much they think they know about the issue.

    But as I’ve made perfectly clear more than once now, I neither want it nor exacerbate it.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    You’re another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.
     
    Yes, so many confused people. But you can predict the future, eh?

    I’ve found that people who are fixated on “collapse” are often those who want it to happen in that doom-masturbatory way. Maybe you are one of those or maybe you are not, but one thing is certain. You are not God and you don’t know the future. Nothing is inevitable in history, as it has countless contingent factors.
  45. @Twinkie

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you’d already know that I do. You’re failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other’s here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn’t be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It’s dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.
     
    That’s a lot of ad hominem. And straw men. Don’t read more into what wrote than... what I wrote.

    Apology accepted.

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    I suggest medication or therapy. You seem unaware that the fantasy taking place in your mind is not reality.
  46. Somalian warlords! Chinese warlords! And African American, Iraqi, SSA, Shia, Sunni, Hindu, Sikh, and Vietnamese warlords, oh my!

    As the (purported) old Chinese curse goes, may you live in diverse times.

    • Replies: @Twinkie

    As the (purported) old Chinese curse goes, may you live in diverse times.
     
    Interesting times. And it’s apocryphal.
  47. Don’t be surprised to see Hildabeast join the campaign at the last possible moment as a savior to the Democrat Party. Not one of those asshole candidates they have now has a chance in hell of winning. Trump will expose Sanders for the communist that he is, and he will drive Pocahontas crazier than she already is. Biden is self destructing daily so…………..Clinton to the rescue.

  48. @Twodees Partain
    Mike, he's obviously nowhere near half as smart as he claims to be. He also claims to be some kind of ninja warrior type. Ignore him. I do.

    He also claims to be some kind of ninja warrior type. Ignore him. I do.

    Of course you do. But only after you couldn’t rise to your own assertions. Internet (and this site) has memories, you know:

    http://www.unz.com/anepigone/hypocritic-oath/#comment-3409505

  49. @MikeatMikedotMike
    Apology accepted.

    I suggest medication or therapy. You seem unaware that the fantasy taking place in your mind is not reality.

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
    Meds and therapy, huh? Sure your name isn't Sackler?

    But anyway, who needs medication when all I have to do to fall asleep is read your same old, tired slights?
  50. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "Unless you are that kind of warlord personality-or a psychopath-no, you do not want the collapse to come."

    You're another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.

    "The people who either exacerbate these problem or openly want conflict are the people I’d deem least likely to survive a sectarian cataclysm."

    And people who speak about what's coming as if they've already been through a few cataclysm's themselves are merely using the topic as an opportunity to give themselves a compliment about how much they think they know about the issue.

    But as I've made perfectly clear more than once now, I neither want it nor exacerbate it.

    You’re another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.

    Yes, so many confused people. But you can predict the future, eh?

    I’ve found that people who are fixated on “collapse” are often those who want it to happen in that doom-masturbatory way. Maybe you are one of those or maybe you are not, but one thing is certain. You are not God and you don’t know the future. Nothing is inevitable in history, as it has countless contingent factors.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke

    Yes, so many confused people. But you can predict the future, eh?

    I’ve found that people who are fixated on “collapse” are often those who want it to happen in that doom-masturbatory way. Maybe you are one of those or maybe you are not, but one thing is certain. You are not God and you don’t know the future. Nothing is inevitable in history, as it has countless contingent factors.
     
    Too many people confuse half-assed Hollywood scripts, and material with even less work put into it, for what is in the realm of the possible. We have plenty of real-life situations available from history and present-day accounts without going into the realm of the fantastical. But that would probably be way too depressing, suggesting that the nirvana they hope for is not just unlikely, but objectively unattainable.
  51. @MikeatMikedotMike
    I'm pretty much in a "let's get the collapse over with" phase, so I'm likely going to vote for Trump's opponent. (In Illinois it doesn't matter anyway.)

    Trump has proven to be little more than Jeb! with a hotter wife.

    I think Trump is the accelerationist candidate. If he’s re-elected, there will be no going back to the before time. Mask off until the end. Good chance that Trump winning would also break the democratic party, which is already not in good shape from an organizational and financial point of view.

    By the way, there ain’t gonna be “collapse” the way people in this thread are talking about it about it (the boogaloo). The collapse is already happening all around you. Life expectancy, family formation both plummeting. Suicide through the roof. Everyday nuisance index is off the charts. Powers that be are telling us we all need to accept reduced living standards. This is what collapse looks like. It takes a while.

    But, if you want the boogaloo (I know yada yada you don’t want it) then re-electing Trump and causing a left wing chimpout is a good way to try.

  52. @Bragadocious
    I don't know who Obama is popular with other than the NYT commenting hive. No one I know, from either the left or right likes him. His body of work is complete so we know everything, from droning wedding parties to crappy food stamps healthcare to depriving our dishwashers of water so our dinner plates come out filthy. Ah but we hear lefties say things like how "decent" a man he was -- you know, because of those fake tears after Sandy Hook. I'd say Trump's batting average in tagging people with damaging nicknames is right around 1.000.

    Obama is VERY, VERY popular among people here in LA City and County, of all races but especially white lefties and blacks. Half the women here would give “Barrack” a blowjob to show their admiration, and probably at least 10% percent of the “men” too.

    know many people in California, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois, for example, who would gladly vote for him again — and say that they would vote for his wife, too, if she runs.

    I think Biden / Michelle Obama or even Sanders / Michelle Obama beats Trump — unless white turnout increases so massively as to outweigh the increase in black turnout (and presumably urban voter fraud) that we’d see if the more-masculine Obama gets put on the ticket.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    Like me, you live in a part of the country that doesn't matter. What really matters is how people in PA, MI and OH feel about him. Honestly, I don't see Obama pulling 1/3 the crowd that Trump pulls at one of his rallies.
  53. @Achmed E. Newman
    If I hadn't gone to A.E.'s link, I'd never have thought this either, Bragadocious. I guess I don't hang out with the "right" people.

    BTW, I get Trump's insult, but if you want to just go for a general insulting name, why not call him "Joe Bidet"? What, too high-brow?

    Yep. Nobody has even heard the word bidet.

  54. @Twinkie

    You’re another one who is confusing what I want with what I think is inevitable.
     
    Yes, so many confused people. But you can predict the future, eh?

    I’ve found that people who are fixated on “collapse” are often those who want it to happen in that doom-masturbatory way. Maybe you are one of those or maybe you are not, but one thing is certain. You are not God and you don’t know the future. Nothing is inevitable in history, as it has countless contingent factors.

    Yes, so many confused people. But you can predict the future, eh?

    I’ve found that people who are fixated on “collapse” are often those who want it to happen in that doom-masturbatory way. Maybe you are one of those or maybe you are not, but one thing is certain. You are not God and you don’t know the future. Nothing is inevitable in history, as it has countless contingent factors.

    Too many people confuse half-assed Hollywood scripts, and material with even less work put into it, for what is in the realm of the possible. We have plenty of real-life situations available from history and present-day accounts without going into the realm of the fantastical. But that would probably be way too depressing, suggesting that the nirvana they hope for is not just unlikely, but objectively unattainable.

  55. @MikeatMikedotMike
    "During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?"

    If you are half as smart as you claim to be you'd already know that I do. You're failing to distinguish between what I want and what I believe will happen. Further, you and some of the other's here choose to associate some sort of doomsday fetish with my predictions. You couldn't be further from the truth, as I much prefer my mostly quiet suburban life, but the important thing is it allows you to dismiss me a fringe lunatic or fantasy LARPer. On any given topic, much of your argument is based on placing yourself in a morally superior (see your rhetorical question above) place instead of just discussing facts or theories. It's dishonest, and is why I mostly avoid discussing anything with you.

    "I agree with AE that Trump is a transitional figure. "

    It' seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse. At most he has been an *intermissional* figure.

    It’ seems to me that if he is to be proven a transitional figure, then what comes after is a furthering of ideas he brought to the table, not a return to what was in place when he arrived. Transition means to change. What has changed? The four big markers for civilization: Demographics, culture, policy, and economy, have all continued unabated on their course to collapse.

    The Trump presidency might well be a transitional stage, but it’s not necessarily going to be a transition to something better or to something more congenial for those of us who think that western society is currently circling the drain.

    The Trump presidency has made the globalists and SJWs much more motivated, much more determined and much more extreme. Trump has provided them with an Emmanuel Goldstein – a heaven-sent excuse for accelerating the drive towards totalitarianism. An excuse to crack down on dissidence. A motivation to ensure that populism can never again threaten them.

    Once Trump is out of the White House there is likely to be a crackdown on a scale that will make your eyes water. And not just in the U.S. – since Trump was elected Britain has taken giant strides towards overt totalitarianism (Theresa May was the most totalitarian British prime minister in history and Boris Johnson is more of a globalist than May). Trump has provided inspiration for would-be totalitarians throughout the West.

    And if Trump wins a second term the hysteria will be ramped up even further, and the ensuing crackdown will be even more severe.

  56. @RadicalCenter
    Obama is VERY, VERY popular among people here in LA City and County, of all races but especially white lefties and blacks. Half the women here would give "Barrack" a blowjob to show their admiration, and probably at least 10% percent of the "men" too.

    know many people in California, Colorado, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois, for example, who would gladly vote for him again -- and say that they would vote for his wife, too, if she runs.

    I think Biden / Michelle Obama or even Sanders / Michelle Obama beats Trump -- unless white turnout increases so massively as to outweigh the increase in black turnout (and presumably urban voter fraud) that we'd see if the more-masculine Obama gets put on the ticket.

    Like me, you live in a part of the country that doesn’t matter. What really matters is how people in PA, MI and OH feel about him. Honestly, I don’t see Obama pulling 1/3 the crowd that Trump pulls at one of his rallies.

  57. @anon
    Somalian warlords! Chinese warlords! And African American, Iraqi, SSA, Shia, Sunni, Hindu, Sikh, and Vietnamese warlords, oh my!

    As the (purported) old Chinese curse goes, may you live in diverse times.

    As the (purported) old Chinese curse goes, may you live in diverse times.

    Interesting times. And it’s apocryphal.

  58. @gman
    I don't understand why everyone is writing off sanders.

    -Sanders has improved with Black voters (I believe other polls have him higher but still below biden)
    -He can raise a ton of cash and has a dedicated group of supporters
    -He appears to be doing fine with hispanics and is winning there in the latest cbs poll

    I think he can win in the way John McCain won the 2008 nomination.


    personally, I think Sanders is undervalued in prediction markets
    https://www.politicalalertengine.com/analytics/candidates/sanders

    It looks like the Democratic power brokers are beginning to line up behind Warren to stop Sanders–because they _must_ stop him.

    These power brokers have an amazing track record in getting their candidates the nomination since the McGovern debacle. (I think the magic words spoken in the DNC back rooms was: “Never again”… )

  59. @dc.sunsets

    During a collapse, the young, the old, and the sick die first. Do you not have children or grandchildren?
     
    This, times millions.

    We live in a vast game of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it." We don't know how far down the rabbit hole things will go when the music stops. What results won't be like prepping for the month of difficulty following a Cat 4 hurricane. It will mean hunger, forced migration, localized fits of violent chaos and the replacing of today's deafening racket of lies with........silence...........

    Look around you. What happens if you don't have reliable electricity for a month? (If it rains a lot, my house will become uninhabitable.) Electricity runs the water pumps for your running water. It runs the gasoline pumps. Who will be among the fortunate to have access to CAT engines running high MW generators (and the diesel to keep them humming?) Who will still have access to natural gas?

    We exist in a very delicate system that grew up over a century of historically rare calm. We don't know what will be lost when the calm turns to storm.

    What will be, will be.

    Generators are very dangerous to have (or at least turn on) in a time of civil strife.

    They are like a megaphone screaming: “Attack me. I have lots of good stuff here.”

  60. dc.sunsets [AKA "Astonished"] says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    Demography and debt don't care about you or your actions or your feelings.

    You do realize that this nutcake nonsense with monetary extremism and zero interest rates and negative interest rates and asset purchases and the like is to save the financial bacon of those born before 1965? The damn transnational globalizer plutocrats and those born before 1965 are the main beneficiaries of all this horrid monetary extremist horseshit.

    I am talking about coldly assessing the historical situation and stating the truth as I see it.

    The European Christian ancestral core of the USA is under attack and demography and monetary policy and immigration policy are the weapons.

    The baby boomers and those born before 1965 must be financially liquidated.

    The best way to financially liquidate those born before 1965 would be to immediately raise the federal funds rate to twenty percent like it was in 1981.

    The asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate would instantaneously implode if the federal funds rate were to be raised to twenty percent.

    The plutocrat globalizers bought off the brain dead nation-wreckers born before 1965 with government debt and asset bubbles that enriched them. White Core American Patriots born after 1965 must gain control of the privately-controlled Federal Reserve Bank and then immediately implode all asset bubbles in the USA and the rest of the globe.

    Once the asset bubbles are imploded immediate deportations of all illegal alien invaders and citizenship revocations can be used to remove 50 or 60 million foreigners and their spawn.

    It was a moral test to go to a debt-based fiat currency system and those born before 1965 failed miserably. God will send those bastards born before 1965 straight to the hottest pits of fiery HELL!

    “Boomers go to hell,” huh?

    That’s a sentiment extreme I’d not yet encountered.

    Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. You propose to pull a cornerstone from a very tall Jenga(tm) tower. While I’m not in the least concerned that you’ll get your wish via political means, I have to chuckle at your apparent lack of understanding just how far down the rabbit hole your proposals would lead.

    Like I’ve often said, the future will deliver to neither you nor me what I’d order if there was a menu. I remain of the view that the vast ocean of debt (counted today as wealth) will evaporate to a puddle when social mood ends this unprecedented mania. What is an IOU worth when you (and everyone else) loses trust that the issuer will (or even can) honor its/his/her obligation?

    Nothing.

    I have little doubt that this article is but the tip of a very large iceberg.
    https://www.rt.com/business/468658-us-debt-report-economy/

    A new report suggests that the real US debt level may be $400 trillion, or 20 times higher than the country’s gross domestic product. The calculation includes government, state, local, financial and so-called entitlement debt.
    AB Bernstein, a global asset management firm based on Wall Street, came up with these figures by including in its analysis not only traditional levels of public debt, such as bonds, but also financial debt as well as future obligations for entitlement programs. These include social security, Medicare and public pensions.

    Hilariously, they conclude…

    It suggests that, although the figures seem depressingly large, it is important to understand that not all of the debt obligations are concrete, and there may be leeway. This is especially true for the government programs, which form the biggest potential debt but can be changed by legislation or accounting.

    Accounting. (Doesn’t that make you laugh?) Once it becomes fashionable to default on any “promises” it will become openly inevitable that all promises will be defaulted upon. But it won’t be a path “chosen” by political deliberation. It will arrive in a crisis. It always has and always will.

    Until interest rates begin to rise in earnest due to fear that creditors will be stiffed, none of this is relevant. It’s a fad, a fashion, and the mass mind will go where it goes, behaving like a sloshing pool of insanity.

    It was always an illusion to imagine that the world around us obeys rational rules.

  61. @Twinkie
    I suggest medication or therapy. You seem unaware that the fantasy taking place in your mind is not reality.

    Meds and therapy, huh? Sure your name isn’t Sackler?

    But anyway, who needs medication when all I have to do to fall asleep is read your same old, tired slights?

  62. @Sean

    Trump’s disdain for former president Obama is well known and he’s never given much indication of being a particularly numerate person
     
    As with his unparalleled ability to make himself profit by delivering a building on time and under budget.

    It’s curious. It could be a consequence of the quintessential boomer getting his news from Fox and thinking that associating Biden with president O’Bummer will sink his toughest challenger. Trump genuinely thinks it’s a zinger.
     
    Or maybe Trump's real point is Biden is a white man who has made controversial comments about segregationists.


    Warren would never be allowed to take power, she has disqualified herself


    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/456006-warrens-pledge-to-avoid-first-nuclear-strike-sparks-intense-pushback

    “Key question for Elizabeth Warren @ewarren today - which American cities and how many American citizens are you willing to sacrifice with your policy of forcing the US to absorb a nuclear attack ...?” Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) tweeted the day after the debate.
     

    If Liz Cheney is trashing Warren, I may need to re-evaluate my negative opinion of her. Wyoming’s female Bolton, ugh.

  63. @Sean

    Trump’s disdain for former president Obama is well known and he’s never given much indication of being a particularly numerate person
     
    As with his unparalleled ability to make himself profit by delivering a building on time and under budget.

    It’s curious. It could be a consequence of the quintessential boomer getting his news from Fox and thinking that associating Biden with president O’Bummer will sink his toughest challenger. Trump genuinely thinks it’s a zinger.
     
    Or maybe Trump's real point is Biden is a white man who has made controversial comments about segregationists.


    Warren would never be allowed to take power, she has disqualified herself


    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/456006-warrens-pledge-to-avoid-first-nuclear-strike-sparks-intense-pushback

    “Key question for Elizabeth Warren @ewarren today - which American cities and how many American citizens are you willing to sacrifice with your policy of forcing the US to absorb a nuclear attack ...?” Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) tweeted the day after the debate.
     

    Warren would never be allowed to take power, she has disqualified herself

    Hang on a minute. Warren is saying she wouldn’t start a nuclear war. Are you saying that’s a bad thing?

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