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The inverse correlation between favoring stricter gun laws and Donald Trump’s share of the 2016 presidential vote is a remarkable .95. That is a staggeringly strong relationship for the social sciences. Indeed, it is effectively a perfect correlation after sampling noise is accounted for. More than abortion, immigration, taxation, race relations, war, or any other cultural or political issue, a person’s approach to gun rights is a better predictor of how he’ll vote than anything else is.

For those in search of a reason for optimism regarding Trump’s chances in November, here’s one:

As the nation has grappled with a global pandemic and images of some rioters causing damage after hijacking peaceful protests demanding racial justice, more and more Americans appear to be arming themselves.

In July 2020, the FBI conducted more than 3.6 million firearm background checks, making it the third highest month on record for checks since the bureau began keeping statistics in 1998, according to new data released on Monday by the agency. By comparison, the bureau conducted just over 2 million checks in July 2019.

Background checks associated with the sale, transfer or permitting of firearms set an all-time record in June when the FBI conducted more than 3.9 million checks, followed by March 2020 when the agency saw 3.7 million checks.

That’s written in a clunky way. To smooth it out, note that June 2020, March 2020, and July 2020 were respectively probably the highest, second-highest, and third-highest months for gun sales in the country’s history. And there’s an aspect to this sustained surge in sales that is different than is usually the case:

Usually, when gun sales spike it’s because an event such as a school shooting is seen to make gun control laws more likely. And it’s gun enthusiasts, people who already own guns, who are going out and buying more.

But something different is happening now. “We’ve surveyed retailers who tell us that about 40% of their customers are first-time buyers,” Keane says.

 
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  1. Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that. The MSM either doesn’t understand this, or doesn’t want to go there. That said, personal protection is a big deal, too, and I’d wager gun sales would be even higher if not for the current gun and ammo shortage. The rioting convinced me to upgrade my home defense weapon. Despite being fairly pricey, my top pick is out of stock everywhere. No idea how long I’ll be waiting for it.

    • Replies: @Gunga Din
    @Charlotte

    Mind sharing what your home defense weapon of choice is? (mine's a .45 semi auto pistol).

    , @SafeNow
    @Charlotte

    “... upgrade my home defense weapon.”

    I noted that the word weapon is singular. That sounded okay to me...until I was in a gun store recently. I asked the fellow behind the counter, a retired please officer, where do you keep your gun in your home. He replied “I keep my guns all over the place.” I guess it depends how rambling the house layout is. Regarding the subject of this essay, I would guess that 100% of the people with guns “all over the place“ will be voting for Trump.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    , @Desiderius
    @Charlotte

    They understand it.

    They want to your polity destroyed and your political rights with it.

  2. Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.

    This is correct, in that “everything else” is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    • Replies: @Dan
    @Nodwink

    "“Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs."

    After 1945 America never used a nuclear weapon. And yet nuclear weapons became the basis of American hegemony. America tells all its allies what to do and they obey, more or less.

    Only a quarter of police officers have fired their weapon even once in their entire career.

    https://www.guns.com/news/2017/02/18/survey-fewer-police-officers-fire-their-service-weapons-than-americans-think

    And yet the power is real.

    I would argue that Americans aren't remotely under *actual* physical duress. Nobody is hungry. Most people have never been physically assaulted or robbed.

    But if you want to see where guns really matter, look at South Africa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    "The Statistics South Africa Census 2011 showed that there were about 4,586,838 white people in South Africa, amounting to 8.9% of the country's population.[41] This is a 6.8% increase since the 2001 census. According to the Census 2011, South African English is the first language of 36% of the white population group and Afrikaans is the first language of 61% of the white population group.[6] The majority of white South Africans identify themselves as primarily South African, regardless of their first language or ancestry."

    It's astonishing that whites in SA can hang on at all, and without guns, they would be wiped out quickly without question.

    Some thoughts:

    (1) Things haven't gotten remotely bad in actual practice. While the rhetoric doesn't seem to bode well, the reality on the ground is still very safe.

    (2) It doesn't take a lot of actual gun use to show power. That couple in Missouri merely flashed a couple of guns and it was enough to completely shock BLM. BLM hasn't entered private homes anywhere in America to my knowledge.

    (3) Consider the LA riots and the legendary rooftop Koreans. How many shots did they actually fire? Hardly any. And yet their section of the city was entirely spared.

    , @Cloudbuster
    @Nodwink

    a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States

    I'm sure you can weasel out though, with your prodigious use of weasel words like "a large number" (what? 1,000? 1,000,000?) and "many" (How many? Yes, I am sure the top Brazilian oligarchs live better lives than most Americans).

    Replies: @jsinton, @Nodwink

    , @Currahee
    @Nodwink

    Yes, indeed. Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @anarchyst
    @Nodwink

    Your statement: /“Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs./
    ...is disingenuous to say the least.
    To paraphrase Claire Wolfe:
    “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
    ...is spot on.
    The only thing that keeps our foreign-owned politicians from imposing draconian measures all at once is the knowledge that Americans are armed.
    Americans are slow to act, BUT when a critical mass is achieved, look out...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    , @RoatanBill
    @Nodwink

    Why don't you try crawling through an open window of a gun owner some night.

    I think you'll find that you're wrong in the last few seconds of your life.

    The only reason gun owners haven't erupted en masse is because they are not predominantly vicious savages. When the time comes for them to separately arrive at the conclusion that they've had enough, they will realize that they are joining their fellow gun owners that simultaneously reached the same conclusion.

    You do not know and will never know who the Remnant are, or where they are, or how many of them there are, or what they are doing or will do. Two things you do know, and no more: first that they exist; second, that they will find you. -Albert J. Nock

    Replies: @Nodwink

    , @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    , @Libre
    @Nodwink

    Maybe us having firearms is the reason things aren't worse

    , @Dave453
    @Nodwink

    Oyvey, what is this? Some trolling.

  3. You have to look at the push for gun control in the larger context of the sort of futurology which envisions self-driving cars, sex robots, permanent robotic unemployment, the dependency on algorithms to make major decisions for us (Yuval Harari’s pet notion), permanent immersion in virtual worlds better than the real world and so forth. All of these ideas share the assumption that we have to isolate ordinary people from having to deal with the real world so that they don’t acquire skills and develop their powers of agency. Apparently our elites fear having to deal with a country full of men who know how to drive, how to pair up with young women, how to hold jobs, how to exert some control over their own destinies, how to solve practical problems with tools, and especially how to handle firearms.

    • Replies: @Dave453
    @advancedatheist

    Great point.

  4. Apparently our elites fear having to deal with a country full of men who know how to drive, how to pair up with young women, how to hold jobs, how to exert some control over their own destinies, how to solve practical problems with tools, and especially how to handle firearms.

    Well said.

  5. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    ““Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.”

    After 1945 America never used a nuclear weapon. And yet nuclear weapons became the basis of American hegemony. America tells all its allies what to do and they obey, more or less.

    Only a quarter of police officers have fired their weapon even once in their entire career.

    https://www.guns.com/news/2017/02/18/survey-fewer-police-officers-fire-their-service-weapons-than-americans-think

    And yet the power is real.

    I would argue that Americans aren’t remotely under *actual* physical duress. Nobody is hungry. Most people have never been physically assaulted or robbed.

    But if you want to see where guns really matter, look at South Africa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_Africans

    “The Statistics South Africa Census 2011 showed that there were about 4,586,838 white people in South Africa, amounting to 8.9% of the country’s population.[41] This is a 6.8% increase since the 2001 census. According to the Census 2011, South African English is the first language of 36% of the white population group and Afrikaans is the first language of 61% of the white population group.[6] The majority of white South Africans identify themselves as primarily South African, regardless of their first language or ancestry.”

    It’s astonishing that whites in SA can hang on at all, and without guns, they would be wiped out quickly without question.

    Some thoughts:

    (1) Things haven’t gotten remotely bad in actual practice. While the rhetoric doesn’t seem to bode well, the reality on the ground is still very safe.

    (2) It doesn’t take a lot of actual gun use to show power. That couple in Missouri merely flashed a couple of guns and it was enough to completely shock BLM. BLM hasn’t entered private homes anywhere in America to my knowledge.

    (3) Consider the LA riots and the legendary rooftop Koreans. How many shots did they actually fire? Hardly any. And yet their section of the city was entirely spared.

  6. Usually, when gun sales spike it’s because an event such as a school shooting is seen to make gun control laws more likely. And it’s gun enthusiasts, people who already own guns, who are going out and buying more.

    But something different is happening now. “We’ve surveyed retailers who tell us that about 40% of their customers are first-time buyers,” Keane says.

    This is right on the target, pardon the pun.

    For several decades now, the fraction of the population that owns guns had declined while the average number of guns per gun owner has skyrocketed. In effect, gun owners were turning into a very effective and politically powerful minority. But the recent disturbances have dramatically reversed this trend. The local gun shops in my area have done massively increased business in the recent months and much of these sales are driven by new gun owners.

    Over at Razib Khan’s site, there was a parallel discussion about radical leftists wanting to defund the police and rightists wanting to defund universities. I thought this was a win-win situation for the rightists. Increased chaos and crime lead people to buy guns and vote for the rightist party while defunding “higher education” leads to weakening of the left indoctrination of the young.

    • Agree: Johann Ricke
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    For several decades now, the fraction of the population that owns guns had declined while the average number of guns per gun owner has skyrocketed. In effect, gun owners were turning into a very effective and politically powerful minority. But the recent disturbances have dramatically reversed this trend. The local gun shops in my area have done massively increased business in the recent months and much of these sales are driven by new gun owners.
     
    I've always said that the gun controller's greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned 'mail-order' guns and ammunition. This converted guns from absolutely normal items of trade and commerce to some super-scary items to be mastered by only super-special government approved jagoffs, or so the gun controllers wanted.

    “The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition–except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors–totally illegal.” (Richard Harris, “A Reporter at Large: Handguns,” New Yorker, July 26, 1976, p. 58.)

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/07/24/david-kopel/one-mans-sensible-another-mans-extreme
     
    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller's "March-through-history," from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg's Billions.

    It all starts by convincing a person to GET A GUN.

    Give a gun to your children before they leave home, give as wedding gifts, birthday presents.

    And make sure they have one before they get married so the anti-gun spouse-to-be can't exercise VETO over their Significant Other.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  7. Under Obama, for 6 years you had every federal agency in the ledger buying billions of rounds of ammunition of every caliber creating shortages even for local law enforcement pistol training. Obama’s cutie-pie proxy war against guns. Where all that ammunition wound up is anyone’s guess.

  8. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States

    I’m sure you can weasel out though, with your prodigious use of weasel words like “a large number” (what? 1,000? 1,000,000?) and “many” (How many? Yes, I am sure the top Brazilian oligarchs live better lives than most Americans).

    • Replies: @jsinton
    @Cloudbuster

    Sure, Americans can make more money. But they are hobbled by poor education, they wind up stupider. They wind up bankrupt by the healthcare kleptocracy. They live shorter lives. Their economic standing vs their parents is in decline. Their economy and jobs are in decline. They are happier, but who knows why.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Libre

    , @Nodwink
    @Cloudbuster

    Did you send me a link to a libertarian think tank, whose main argument is 'GDP per capita'? Did you really do that? Am I dreaming?

    I could spend all day linking to reports of the USA's decline and structural deficiencies, but I suspect you know them already.

  9. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    Yes, indeed. Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Currahee


    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.
     
    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It's something that is just not going to happen.

    It's also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @iffen, @Twinkie

  10. This works out to be 4.48 million new conservatives eager to vote. Its gonna take an awful lot of mail-in ballots to overcome this 4.5 million new woke existential voters.

    Its like Christmas – lefties are destroying their own nests and minting new hardcore storm troop voters at the same time. Merry Christmas indeed.

  11. The thing with gun ownership is that it can’t be reversed politically.

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/new-zealand-gun-owners-surrender-guns-christchurch-attack

    “New Zealand’s Gun Owners Have So Far Voluntarily Surrendered 37 Firearms — Of An Estimated 1.2 Million — Since The Mosque Shootings”

    By comparison, Americans own well over 400 million guns.

    Basically Americans buy the number of guns in the entire nation of New Zealand, approximately every week. Americans buy as many guns as Australia or the UK have in their entire countries, every month.

    The effect is that true power is in the hands of the public. Real totalitarianism is essentially impossible here.

    You could ban the sale of firearms tomorrow and there would be a total overabundance of arms in the hands of the public for millennia.

    The stupid left has visions of political domination but it is all devolving.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-jersey-gym-owners-license-revoked
    “New Jersey gym owners tell Tucker business is ‘open as usual’ despite license revocation”

    The percentage of kids homeschooling in America is effectively 100% for now. The percentage who look at that as a permanent solution is off-the-charts high.

    https://www.studyfinds.org/scared-for-school-parents-homeschooling-kids-covid-19/
    “Scared For School: 4 In 5 Parents Considering Homeschooling Kids This Fall”

    Leftist cities are faced with gigantic chasms in their budgets and the cities, dominated by the left, seem permanently wreaked.

    Just look at what has happened to the cities. If 50% of the office space in urban areas is no longer needed, there will be an overhang and depressed prices on office space basically for the remainder of American history in all American cities. That seems conservative. Essentially 0% of office space is being used in America right now. Retail too. What remains? Where would the revenue come from?

    In terms of money, there has been a huge flight to bitcoin and gold already.

    With universities all online, who will want to pay $60,000 per year going forward?

    Democrats will find it sucks to lead a declining nation. Frankly to be a political leader going forward and trying to fight the decline will feel like eating feces morning, noon and night.

    • Thanks: Achmed E. Newman
  12. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    Your statement: /“Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs./
    …is disingenuous to say the least.
    To paraphrase Claire Wolfe:
    “America is at that awkward stage; it’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
    …is spot on.
    The only thing that keeps our foreign-owned politicians from imposing draconian measures all at once is the knowledge that Americans are armed.
    Americans are slow to act, BUT when a critical mass is achieved, look out…

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    @anarchyst

    Anarchyst, you know Clair Wolfe wrote that something like 20 years ago, just from my recollection. I think we are well past that awkward stage.

    Still, as Roatan Bill pointed out, one or a handful of gun owners using them for the purpose Amendment II was drawn up would just get cut down or prosecuted to the max. People will know when it's time. There's great power in numbers.

  13. @Cloudbuster
    @Nodwink

    a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States

    I'm sure you can weasel out though, with your prodigious use of weasel words like "a large number" (what? 1,000? 1,000,000?) and "many" (How many? Yes, I am sure the top Brazilian oligarchs live better lives than most Americans).

    Replies: @jsinton, @Nodwink

    Sure, Americans can make more money. But they are hobbled by poor education, they wind up stupider. They wind up bankrupt by the healthcare kleptocracy. They live shorter lives. Their economic standing vs their parents is in decline. Their economy and jobs are in decline. They are happier, but who knows why.

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @jsinton

    That is a such a pack of half-truths and outright lies I barely know where to begin.

    , @Libre
    @jsinton

    Completely false. Remember we are ⅓ nagger and spac. Compare whites to Europeans and we do better.

    Look at white life expectancy and remove fatal injuries, were top of the world.

    We are the healthcare leader of the world, and would be even better if we weren't obese fucks.

    Etc etc

  14. @Charlotte
    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that. The MSM either doesn’t understand this, or doesn’t want to go there. That said, personal protection is a big deal, too, and I’d wager gun sales would be even higher if not for the current gun and ammo shortage. The rioting convinced me to upgrade my home defense weapon. Despite being fairly pricey, my top pick is out of stock everywhere. No idea how long I’ll be waiting for it.

    Replies: @Gunga Din, @SafeNow, @Desiderius

    Mind sharing what your home defense weapon of choice is? (mine’s a .45 semi auto pistol).

  15. It sure would help if POTUS would stop giving us empty “Protect the Second Amendment!” rhetoric (and giving us a bump-stock ban, some pro-gunner he is,huh?) and actually do something for the people that voted for him.

    He could lift the GHWB Executive Order ban on imported “Assault Rifles” so people could buy the weapon they would like to have. Variety of choice is 100% American.

    He could actually give us a PRO-GUN BATF director that would actually support GUN OWNER rights; a director that would push back against ATF decisions in the past like banning the import of non-sporting arms barrels (That would make remanufacture of demiled guns easier) and allow vertical foregrips on pistols as a non-regulated firearm.

    These are things Trump could do RIGHT NOW all by himself; instead we get NADA after almost FOUR years of his Presidency.

    • Replies: @Dan
    @Joe Stalin

    "instead we get NADA after almost FOUR years of his Presidency"

    Trump declared gun shops an essential business during the pandemic. That is a pretty big deal when everything but grocery stores was shut.

    The left wanted to close all the gun shops in America. Instead we have the most gun sales in American history.

    It is pretty pro-gun to stick with the status quo. The status quo is a firehose of guns to the people.

    Replies: @Dave453

  16. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    Why don’t you try crawling through an open window of a gun owner some night.

    I think you’ll find that you’re wrong in the last few seconds of your life.

    The only reason gun owners haven’t erupted en masse is because they are not predominantly vicious savages. When the time comes for them to separately arrive at the conclusion that they’ve had enough, they will realize that they are joining their fellow gun owners that simultaneously reached the same conclusion.

    You do not know and will never know who the Remnant are, or where they are, or how many of them there are, or what they are doing or will do. Two things you do know, and no more: first that they exist; second, that they will find you. -Albert J. Nock

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Nodwink
    @RoatanBill

    Do you think the US military is going to send some stoner around at 1am to stumble into your living room, armed with a kitchen knife?

    What will actually happen is that a bee-sized drone will come into your house, and inject you with poison. You felt a tiny prick, went to swipe what you thought was a mosquito, and drifted back to sleep. You'll be dead in a few minutes.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/government-collected-dna-and-future-micro-drones-are-downright-scary-2012-10?r=US&IR=T

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Possumman

  17. @Twinkie

    Usually, when gun sales spike it’s because an event such as a school shooting is seen to make gun control laws more likely. And it’s gun enthusiasts, people who already own guns, who are going out and buying more.

    But something different is happening now. “We’ve surveyed retailers who tell us that about 40% of their customers are first-time buyers,” Keane says.
     
    This is right on the target, pardon the pun.

    For several decades now, the fraction of the population that owns guns had declined while the average number of guns per gun owner has skyrocketed. In effect, gun owners were turning into a very effective and politically powerful minority. But the recent disturbances have dramatically reversed this trend. The local gun shops in my area have done massively increased business in the recent months and much of these sales are driven by new gun owners.

    Over at Razib Khan's site, there was a parallel discussion about radical leftists wanting to defund the police and rightists wanting to defund universities. I thought this was a win-win situation for the rightists. Increased chaos and crime lead people to buy guns and vote for the rightist party while defunding "higher education" leads to weakening of the left indoctrination of the young.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    For several decades now, the fraction of the population that owns guns had declined while the average number of guns per gun owner has skyrocketed. In effect, gun owners were turning into a very effective and politically powerful minority. But the recent disturbances have dramatically reversed this trend. The local gun shops in my area have done massively increased business in the recent months and much of these sales are driven by new gun owners.

    I’ve always said that the gun controller’s greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned ‘mail-order’ guns and ammunition. This converted guns from absolutely normal items of trade and commerce to some super-scary items to be mastered by only super-special government approved jagoffs, or so the gun controllers wanted.

    “The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition–except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors–totally illegal.” (Richard Harris, “A Reporter at Large: Handguns,” New Yorker, July 26, 1976, p. 58.)

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/07/24/david-kopel/one-mans-sensible-another-mans-extreme

    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller’s “March-through-history,” from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg’s Billions.

    It all starts by convincing a person to GET A GUN.

    Give a gun to your children before they leave home, give as wedding gifts, birthday presents.

    And make sure they have one before they get married so the anti-gun spouse-to-be can’t exercise VETO over their Significant Other.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    I’ve always said that the gun controller’s greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned ‘mail-order’ guns
     
    I agree.

    and ammunition.
     
    You can still buy ammo "mail-order" (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did - I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).

    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller’s “March-through-history,” from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg’s Billions.
     
    One of the great disappointments for me regarding Trump and the GOP has been the failure to enact two pieces of pro-gun legislation that were promised: national reciprocity for carry permits and treating suppressors like ordinary firearms that do not require an onerous federal permit process. The GOP had the control of Congress and the presidency for the first two years - it's pretty much unforgivable that it did not pass those two laws that were promised to gun owners.

    The only thing the GOP does is to pass "tax cuts" and play defense on everything else. I suppose getting "conservative" judges is a consolation though Chief Justice "I live in liberal Chevy Chase" Roberts doesn't seem all that helpful.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  18. @Joe Stalin
    It sure would help if POTUS would stop giving us empty "Protect the Second Amendment!" rhetoric (and giving us a bump-stock ban, some pro-gunner he is,huh?) and actually do something for the people that voted for him.

    He could lift the GHWB Executive Order ban on imported "Assault Rifles" so people could buy the weapon they would like to have. Variety of choice is 100% American.

    He could actually give us a PRO-GUN BATF director that would actually support GUN OWNER rights; a director that would push back against ATF decisions in the past like banning the import of non-sporting arms barrels (That would make remanufacture of demiled guns easier) and allow vertical foregrips on pistols as a non-regulated firearm.

    These are things Trump could do RIGHT NOW all by himself; instead we get NADA after almost FOUR years of his Presidency.

    Replies: @Dan

    “instead we get NADA after almost FOUR years of his Presidency”

    Trump declared gun shops an essential business during the pandemic. That is a pretty big deal when everything but grocery stores was shut.

    The left wanted to close all the gun shops in America. Instead we have the most gun sales in American history.

    It is pretty pro-gun to stick with the status quo. The status quo is a firehose of guns to the people.

    • Replies: @Dave453
    @Dan

    Excellent point. It was very smart of him to keep gun stores open.

  19. The Gun Proxy

    Donald John Trump and the donor whore chumps in the rancid Republican Party are going DODO in a big way and the only PROXY of concern to us Unz Review Commenters is the scene in the Hudsucker Proxy movie where a character played by WWII veteran Charles Durning takes a running, flying leap out of a skyscraper window because the donor whore slobs in the Republican Party are donor-controlled dolts who push civilizationally destructive mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and anti-White multicultural globalizer financialization.

    The Republican Party is jumping out the window and White Core Americans are enjoying a big bowl of delicious popcorn while watching as Biden and the Corn Pop Hillary start eating breakfast in the White House on a regular basis.

    Mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration are clear and present threats to the Second Amendment and the donor-controlled whore politicians in the Republican Party push mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    THE REPUBLICAN PARTY MUST BE ELECTORALLY DESTROYED IN NOVEMBER!

    Vote for Charles Pewitt as a write-in candidate for president of the USA on November 3.

    Charles Durning And The Rancid Republican Party Together In Self-Defenestration:

    • Troll: Anonymousse
  20. Fear of gun bans is legitimate when looking at the Democrat candidates today. That said, the CA experience is enlightening. In 1989, CA passed the first AWB – Roberti-Roos. How did gun owners respond to the surrender/remove/register provisions? CA DoJ estimates more than 90% refused to comply. If Joe thinks we will simply turn them in (and he won’t stop with rifles – semi-autos of all kinds are the true goal), he’s wrong. Very wrong.

  21. The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will make the connection between mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and the endangered Second Amendment.

    Foreigners and recent immigrants and their offspring are out to destroy the 2nd Amendment and the rancid Republican Party pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    I wrote this gun-related gem in January of 2019:

    Audacious Epigone hits a big subject — Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) and how they vote.

    If I could drill down into it and suggest a political answer as to how to make the WWCDs understand the importance of the immigration question even if they live in mostly White areas that haven’t been flooded with foreigners yet, I would say use the Second Amendment to make it clear that mass immigration is a clear and present threat to gun rights.

    US Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont — who rightly suggested that mass immigration was a plot by plutocrats such as the Koch Boys to lower wages and displace US workers — stays away from gun bashing because the old stockers in Vermont absolutely love their guns. Even the dogs have guns in Vermont! Cats in Vermont have access to guns but they are not allowed to own them.

    Whites Without College Degrees must be told that the mass immigration pushed by the ruling class of the USA is a direct attack on the Second Amendment and gun rights. Pound the Hell out of the issue and knock the snot out of politician whores such as Teddy Cruz who continue to push mass legal immigration. Pound the Democrat Party to a pulp and connect gun rights to mass legal immigration!

    Tweet from 2015:

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @anon
    @Charles Pewitt

    COULD YOU PLEASE WRITE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS MORE WORDS?

    ALWAYS IN ALL CAPS?

    ALSO REPEAT YOURSELF A LOT AND LINK TO YOUR OWN STUFF FROM YEARS AGO BECAUSE THAT'S SO CONVINCING?

    THE CHARLES PREWITT BOT CAMPAIGN SURE MAKES IT CLEAR WHY RON LIMITS THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS PER HOUR, DOESN'T IT?

    , @Charles Pewitt
    @Charles Pewitt

    I forgot to provide the link to the original comment from January of 2019 in my August 2020 comment to The Gun Proxy.

    January of 2019 link:

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/trumps-2016-non-college-white-voter-share-by-state/#comment-2750829

    After the rancid Republican Party is crushed in November, Teddy Cruz or Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley or some other donor whore politician will be tasked with making sure that the American voters of European Christian ancestry stay within the concentration camp of the Rancid Republican Party, but they will not be able to hold the fracturing voter cohorts of the GOP together.

  22. anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles Pewitt
    The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will make the connection between mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and the endangered Second Amendment.

    Foreigners and recent immigrants and their offspring are out to destroy the 2nd Amendment and the rancid Republican Party pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    I wrote this gun-related gem in January of 2019:

    Audacious Epigone hits a big subject — Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) and how they vote.

     


    If I could drill down into it and suggest a political answer as to how to make the WWCDs understand the importance of the immigration question even if they live in mostly White areas that haven’t been flooded with foreigners yet, I would say use the Second Amendment to make it clear that mass immigration is a clear and present threat to gun rights.

     


    US Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont — who rightly suggested that mass immigration was a plot by plutocrats such as the Koch Boys to lower wages and displace US workers — stays away from gun bashing because the old stockers in Vermont absolutely love their guns. Even the dogs have guns in Vermont! Cats in Vermont have access to guns but they are not allowed to own them.

     


    Whites Without College Degrees must be told that the mass immigration pushed by the ruling class of the USA is a direct attack on the Second Amendment and gun rights. Pound the Hell out of the issue and knock the snot out of politician whores such as Teddy Cruz who continue to push mass legal immigration. Pound the Democrat Party to a pulp and connect gun rights to mass legal immigration!

     

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/656566119122251776?s=20

    Replies: @anon, @Charles Pewitt

    COULD YOU PLEASE WRITE HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS MORE WORDS?

    ALWAYS IN ALL CAPS?

    ALSO REPEAT YOURSELF A LOT AND LINK TO YOUR OWN STUFF FROM YEARS AGO BECAUSE THAT’S SO CONVINCING?

    THE CHARLES PREWITT BOT CAMPAIGN SURE MAKES IT CLEAR WHY RON LIMITS THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS PER HOUR, DOESN’T IT?

  23. I was very surprised to read that 40% new owners number when I got to that. That is indeed good news.

    It’d be nice to think that most of these new gun owners are the same types of people that have owned guns throughout American history, conservative and responsible. I have written before that for some of the lefties, buying a gun and training maybe be something they want to be careful about, as the responsibility involved may accidentally turn them into Conservatives!

    I am not so sure that most of these new buyers are conservatives though, though I hope so. Some of the hard-core lefties are arming up too, trying to get in before their own people and laws prevent that very thing. I’ve seen what some of the antifa guys are carrying.

    Lastly, that 0.95 correlation may only hold for so long, as gun-owning may become just a ramp-up to civil war, with, as I wrote, purchases by both sides AND, as Joe Stalin pointed out, Trump is no gun rights supporter. He has no principles of any kind really – that’s not why I voted for him, though.

  24. @anarchyst
    @Nodwink

    Your statement: /“Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs./
    ...is disingenuous to say the least.
    To paraphrase Claire Wolfe:
    “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
    ...is spot on.
    The only thing that keeps our foreign-owned politicians from imposing draconian measures all at once is the knowledge that Americans are armed.
    Americans are slow to act, BUT when a critical mass is achieved, look out...

    Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    Anarchyst, you know Clair Wolfe wrote that something like 20 years ago, just from my recollection. I think we are well past that awkward stage.

    Still, as Roatan Bill pointed out, one or a handful of gun owners using them for the purpose Amendment II was drawn up would just get cut down or prosecuted to the max. People will know when it’s time. There’s great power in numbers.

  25. @Charles Pewitt
    The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will make the connection between mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration and the endangered Second Amendment.

    Foreigners and recent immigrants and their offspring are out to destroy the 2nd Amendment and the rancid Republican Party pushes mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration.

    I wrote this gun-related gem in January of 2019:

    Audacious Epigone hits a big subject — Whites Without College Degrees(WWCDs) and how they vote.

     


    If I could drill down into it and suggest a political answer as to how to make the WWCDs understand the importance of the immigration question even if they live in mostly White areas that haven’t been flooded with foreigners yet, I would say use the Second Amendment to make it clear that mass immigration is a clear and present threat to gun rights.

     


    US Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont — who rightly suggested that mass immigration was a plot by plutocrats such as the Koch Boys to lower wages and displace US workers — stays away from gun bashing because the old stockers in Vermont absolutely love their guns. Even the dogs have guns in Vermont! Cats in Vermont have access to guns but they are not allowed to own them.

     


    Whites Without College Degrees must be told that the mass immigration pushed by the ruling class of the USA is a direct attack on the Second Amendment and gun rights. Pound the Hell out of the issue and knock the snot out of politician whores such as Teddy Cruz who continue to push mass legal immigration. Pound the Democrat Party to a pulp and connect gun rights to mass legal immigration!

     

    Tweet from 2015:

    https://twitter.com/CharlesPewitt/status/656566119122251776?s=20

    Replies: @anon, @Charles Pewitt

    I forgot to provide the link to the original comment from January of 2019 in my August 2020 comment to The Gun Proxy.

    January of 2019 link:

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/trumps-2016-non-college-white-voter-share-by-state/#comment-2750829

    After the rancid Republican Party is crushed in November, Teddy Cruz or Tom Cotton or Josh Hawley or some other donor whore politician will be tasked with making sure that the American voters of European Christian ancestry stay within the concentration camp of the Rancid Republican Party, but they will not be able to hold the fracturing voter cohorts of the GOP together.

  26. She can vote my gun proxy.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Cloudbuster
    @A123

    Aw, cute. I almost bought my middle daughter a P17, but was put off by some of the reviews I read. I got her a Ruger SR22 instead. Lower capacity but it's been very reliable. It's her third gun, but her first semi-auto pistol.

  27. @A123
    She can vote my gun proxy.

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/DsX1VvEKDnc

    Replies: @Cloudbuster

    Aw, cute. I almost bought my middle daughter a P17, but was put off by some of the reviews I read. I got her a Ruger SR22 instead. Lower capacity but it’s been very reliable. It’s her third gun, but her first semi-auto pistol.

  28. The second amendment is not a red line.
    it is THE RED LINE.

    Personally, for home defense, I use a M92 Zastava.

    [url=https://imgur.com/VxCl2Ci][img]http://i.imgur.com/VxCl2Ci.jpg[/img][/url]

  29. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    For several decades now, the fraction of the population that owns guns had declined while the average number of guns per gun owner has skyrocketed. In effect, gun owners were turning into a very effective and politically powerful minority. But the recent disturbances have dramatically reversed this trend. The local gun shops in my area have done massively increased business in the recent months and much of these sales are driven by new gun owners.
     
    I've always said that the gun controller's greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned 'mail-order' guns and ammunition. This converted guns from absolutely normal items of trade and commerce to some super-scary items to be mastered by only super-special government approved jagoffs, or so the gun controllers wanted.

    “The first problem is to slow down the number of handguns being produced and sold in this country. The second problem is to get handguns registered. The final problem is to make possession of all handguns and all handgun ammunition–except for the military, police, licensed security guards, licensed sporting clubs, and licensed gun collectors–totally illegal.” (Richard Harris, “A Reporter at Large: Handguns,” New Yorker, July 26, 1976, p. 58.)

    https://www.cato-unbound.org/2008/07/24/david-kopel/one-mans-sensible-another-mans-extreme
     
    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller's "March-through-history," from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg's Billions.

    It all starts by convincing a person to GET A GUN.

    Give a gun to your children before they leave home, give as wedding gifts, birthday presents.

    And make sure they have one before they get married so the anti-gun spouse-to-be can't exercise VETO over their Significant Other.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I’ve always said that the gun controller’s greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned ‘mail-order’ guns

    I agree.

    and ammunition.

    You can still buy ammo “mail-order” (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did – I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).

    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller’s “March-through-history,” from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg’s Billions.

    One of the great disappointments for me regarding Trump and the GOP has been the failure to enact two pieces of pro-gun legislation that were promised: national reciprocity for carry permits and treating suppressors like ordinary firearms that do not require an onerous federal permit process. The GOP had the control of Congress and the presidency for the first two years – it’s pretty much unforgivable that it did not pass those two laws that were promised to gun owners.

    The only thing the GOP does is to pass “tax cuts” and play defense on everything else. I suppose getting “conservative” judges is a consolation though Chief Justice “I live in liberal Chevy Chase” Roberts doesn’t seem all that helpful.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    You can still buy ammo “mail-order” (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did – I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).
     
    Yes, it was sort-of restored in McClure-Volkmer Firearm Owner's Protection Act , but you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it. That means you have significant cost appended to small orders.

    When McClure-Volkmer passed, they tried to get the USPO to be able to ship ammo, but were unable to over Democrat opposition. Maybe POTUS could trade more money for the USPS in return for true "mail-order" ammo with NO HazMat fees.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  30. V.S. Naipaul once famously (and notoriously) said that he could read a few paragraphs and tell if the piece was written by a man or a woman. My corollary has always been that I could listen to the tone and speech characteristics of someone’s voice and tell if the speaker would vote liberal or conservative. I doubt I could match the .95 correlation, but I think I could do pretty well.

  31. @Charlotte
    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that. The MSM either doesn’t understand this, or doesn’t want to go there. That said, personal protection is a big deal, too, and I’d wager gun sales would be even higher if not for the current gun and ammo shortage. The rioting convinced me to upgrade my home defense weapon. Despite being fairly pricey, my top pick is out of stock everywhere. No idea how long I’ll be waiting for it.

    Replies: @Gunga Din, @SafeNow, @Desiderius

    “… upgrade my home defense weapon.”

    I noted that the word weapon is singular. That sounded okay to me…until I was in a gun store recently. I asked the fellow behind the counter, a retired please officer, where do you keep your gun in your home. He replied “I keep my guns all over the place.” I guess it depends how rambling the house layout is. Regarding the subject of this essay, I would guess that 100% of the people with guns “all over the place“ will be voting for Trump.

    • Replies: @Detroit Refugee
    @SafeNow

    “All over the place” is right.
    Here in Wayne County, Mi. one never knows when diversity choose your house for a home invasion.
    Living room, kitchen, bedrooms, etc.

    All over the place.

  32. @jsinton
    @Cloudbuster

    Sure, Americans can make more money. But they are hobbled by poor education, they wind up stupider. They wind up bankrupt by the healthcare kleptocracy. They live shorter lives. Their economic standing vs their parents is in decline. Their economy and jobs are in decline. They are happier, but who knows why.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Libre

    That is a such a pack of half-truths and outright lies I barely know where to begin.

  33. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. “They can’t take our freedom away as long as we have guns.” But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren’t going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you’re going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You’re going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there’s also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The “guns will protect our freedoms” idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It’s also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It’s much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    • Agree: Nodwink
    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @dfordoom

    Spoken like a true disarmed Aussie.

    Your standard AR-15 owning civilian in the USA has greater potential combat power than your Aussie soldier armed with an Owen sub-machine gun. Ask any Aussie soldier if they think a civilian armed with an AR is significantly outgunned by their Lithgow F88 rifle. And the US civilian can equip his rifle with better than military standard accessories like riflescops and triggers.

    In America, the US government SELLS Combat Rifles to civilians to train with and keep.

    https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle-sales/

    Americans even have a low-cost private program to train citizens to properly shoot their semi-autos.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCU8lei7s2g

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1Top4NRzcE

    Can a DISARMED people even DREAM of doing this?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00thGVawFuQ

    , @Cloudbuster
    @dfordoom

    That was a lot of strawmanning.

    , @Bragadocious
    @dfordoom

    Why don't you go lecture the folks in Ulster about the stupidity and futility of owning weapons. One of the main reasons the Brits came to the table in 1998 was because Provos there were armed to the teeth -- as were their Unionist opponents. The Brits had no stomach for this and said (in essence) you guys work it out, we're going home. Without the threat of gun violence, they'd still be ruling NI from London.

    Also, you might try writing better. Repeating yourself ad nauseam just makes you an irritating Australian gasbag.

    Replies: @Libre

    , @Anonymousse
    @dfordoom

    As the original article points out, gun owners ARE waging the political struggle (including by) overwhelmingly voting for the politicians most aligned with their goals.

    Anyway American revolutionaries weren’t violent outlaws until they were, then they got good at it quickly. Even then most people in America didn’t actively support their cause.

    Fallacious rhetoric but even worse, embarrassingly low T. Reads like you were typing while attempting to use your little fist to crush your starbucks cup in frustration. And failing...

    , @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I used to feel more like this, but I heard an ex-Navy SeAL talking about former special forces possibly needing to step in in the future to solve some problems. I think he was actually talking about putting down secessionists or militias. But the fact that he was taking the armed insurrection thing seriously made me wonder if I underestimate what armed civilians are capable of.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  34. @Currahee
    @Nodwink

    Yes, indeed. Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.

    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It’s something that is just not going to happen.

    It’s also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @dfordoom

    You just don't understand AMERICA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQhs-UzYgU

    Replies: @dfordoom

    , @Cloudbuster
    @dfordoom

    There are many private militias in existence in the US. As long as they aren't advocating insurgence or crime, they are perfectly legal.

    , @iffen
    @dfordoom

    And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It’s something that is just not going to happen.

    It’s also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.


    This is possibly in some cases, but a core group of competent people could organize a self-defense militia while abiding by all applicable laws (which neutralizes any provocateurs). There are commenters here who could do it, and might already have, but there are not enough of them.

    , @Twinkie
    @dfordoom


    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It’s something that is just not going to happen.
     
    That’s a complete nonsense. One of my neighborhood watch groups (we happen to go shooting together as well) has a retired FBI agent and several inactive military members.

    If you don’t go around shouting “We are a militia intent on overthrowing the USG,” you aren’t going to get a visit from the law. FBI is rather too busy to be wasting time going after such innocuous grassroots groups. You certainly aren’t going to go to prison for belonging to such a civic association.

  35. @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    I’ve always said that the gun controller’s greatest victory was the Gun Control Act of 1968 when they banned ‘mail-order’ guns
     
    I agree.

    and ammunition.
     
    You can still buy ammo "mail-order" (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did - I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).

    This is why everything should be done to continually roll-back the gun controller’s “March-through-history,” from the Sullivan Act of 1911 to all gun registration schemes backed by Bloomberg’s Billions.
     
    One of the great disappointments for me regarding Trump and the GOP has been the failure to enact two pieces of pro-gun legislation that were promised: national reciprocity for carry permits and treating suppressors like ordinary firearms that do not require an onerous federal permit process. The GOP had the control of Congress and the presidency for the first two years - it's pretty much unforgivable that it did not pass those two laws that were promised to gun owners.

    The only thing the GOP does is to pass "tax cuts" and play defense on everything else. I suppose getting "conservative" judges is a consolation though Chief Justice "I live in liberal Chevy Chase" Roberts doesn't seem all that helpful.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    You can still buy ammo “mail-order” (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did – I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).

    Yes, it was sort-of restored in McClure-Volkmer Firearm Owner’s Protection Act , but you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it. That means you have significant cost appended to small orders.

    When McClure-Volkmer passed, they tried to get the USPO to be able to ship ammo, but were unable to over Democrat opposition. Maybe POTUS could trade more money for the USPS in return for true “mail-order” ammo with NO HazMat fees.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it.
     
    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.

    By the way, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just found California’s ban on magazines with capacity over 10 rounds unconstitutional. The majority opinion was written by Judge Kenneth K. Lee who was born in South Korea:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/federal-appeals-court-rules-californias-magazine-ban-unconstitutional/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_K._Lee

    He is a Trump-appointee, and was opposed by Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  36. @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    Spoken like a true disarmed Aussie.

    Your standard AR-15 owning civilian in the USA has greater potential combat power than your Aussie soldier armed with an Owen sub-machine gun. Ask any Aussie soldier if they think a civilian armed with an AR is significantly outgunned by their Lithgow F88 rifle. And the US civilian can equip his rifle with better than military standard accessories like riflescops and triggers.

    In America, the US government SELLS Combat Rifles to civilians to train with and keep.

    https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle-sales/

    Americans even have a low-cost private program to train citizens to properly shoot their semi-autos.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

    Can a DISARMED people even DREAM of doing this?

  37. @dfordoom
    @Currahee


    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.
     
    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It's something that is just not going to happen.

    It's also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @iffen, @Twinkie

    You just don’t understand AMERICA.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Joe Stalin


    You just don’t understand AMERICA.
     
    You don't understand reality.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

  38. @dfordoom
    @Currahee


    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.
     
    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It's something that is just not going to happen.

    It's also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @iffen, @Twinkie

    There are many private militias in existence in the US. As long as they aren’t advocating insurgence or crime, they are perfectly legal.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  39. @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    That was a lot of strawmanning.

  40. @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    Why don’t you go lecture the folks in Ulster about the stupidity and futility of owning weapons. One of the main reasons the Brits came to the table in 1998 was because Provos there were armed to the teeth — as were their Unionist opponents. The Brits had no stomach for this and said (in essence) you guys work it out, we’re going home. Without the threat of gun violence, they’d still be ruling NI from London.

    Also, you might try writing better. Repeating yourself ad nauseam just makes you an irritating Australian gasbag.

    • Replies: @Libre
    @Bragadocious

    The unionists want direct rule back. Home rule has been a disaster. So much for no surrender. British history seems to be more about retreating than the French since 1945. India, Israel, Ireland, Hong Kong, where else?

  41. @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    As the original article points out, gun owners ARE waging the political struggle (including by) overwhelmingly voting for the politicians most aligned with their goals.

    Anyway American revolutionaries weren’t violent outlaws until they were, then they got good at it quickly. Even then most people in America didn’t actively support their cause.

    Fallacious rhetoric but even worse, embarrassingly low T. Reads like you were typing while attempting to use your little fist to crush your starbucks cup in frustration. And failing…

  42. @dfordoom
    @Nodwink


    “Second Amendment enthusiasts” are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.
     
    The gun thing is a kind of weird religious cult. Guns are seen as magic talismans that provide protection from evil. Owning a gun is like stringing garlic around your front door to ward off vampires. "They can't take our freedom away as long as we have guns." But the government can and will take away your freedoms if it decides it wants to and those guns aren't going to make the slightest amount of difference.

    Your point about guns being useless without a willingness to use them is correct but the problem with the gun obsession goes way beyond that. If you want to prevent the government from taking away your freedom you're going to need organisation, discipline, money and leadership. You're going to need a willingness to kill or die for a cause, and to risk seeing your family targeted, and you need a willingness to walk away from ordinary life and commit yourself to a life that will involve being a hunted outlaw.

    Not one of these factors is present among gun enthusiasts.

    Also, armed rebellions cannot succeed unless the rebels can rely on a large segment of the non-combatant population being willing (at considerable risk of reprisals to themselves) to provide the rebels with food and shelter and with things like medical supplies. You need a willingness to go on fighting after your village has been bombed to rubble and your family killed.

    Of course there's also the problem that the government has it its disposal an army with sophisticated command-and-control systems and unbelievably sophisticated surveillance technology. If you try armed resistance the government will know exactly who you are and where you are.

    A bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors LARPing at being a guerrilla army is just a bunch of silly sad keyboard warriors.

    The "guns will protect our freedoms" idea is a sad pathetic dangerous illusion.

    Fortunately virtually none of these keyboard warriors will ever offer any actual resistance so the prospects of armed rebellion in any western nation are pretty much zero. The only people advocating such nonsense are a handful of deluded fools. It's also a near certainty that a large proportion of those advocating Civil War 2.0 are in fact Feds.

    If you want to preserve freedom the only way to do it is by waging a political struggle but that would be hard work. It's much easier to indulge in fantasies about patriot uprisings.

    These fantasies really are dangerous nonsense.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @Bragadocious, @Anonymousse, @Chrisnonymous

    I used to feel more like this, but I heard an ex-Navy SeAL talking about former special forces possibly needing to step in in the future to solve some problems. I think he was actually talking about putting down secessionists or militias. But the fact that he was taking the armed insurrection thing seriously made me wonder if I underestimate what armed civilians are capable of.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Chrisnonymous

    It's not realistic now, but a combination of econoclysm and social credit scores ostracizing large numbers of dissidents from society could change that People do desperate things in desperate situations.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  43. @dfordoom
    @Currahee


    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.
     
    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It's something that is just not going to happen.

    It's also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @iffen, @Twinkie

    And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It’s something that is just not going to happen.

    It’s also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    This is possibly in some cases, but a core group of competent people could organize a self-defense militia while abiding by all applicable laws (which neutralizes any provocateurs). There are commenters here who could do it, and might already have, but there are not enough of them.

  44. @RoatanBill
    @Nodwink

    Why don't you try crawling through an open window of a gun owner some night.

    I think you'll find that you're wrong in the last few seconds of your life.

    The only reason gun owners haven't erupted en masse is because they are not predominantly vicious savages. When the time comes for them to separately arrive at the conclusion that they've had enough, they will realize that they are joining their fellow gun owners that simultaneously reached the same conclusion.

    You do not know and will never know who the Remnant are, or where they are, or how many of them there are, or what they are doing or will do. Two things you do know, and no more: first that they exist; second, that they will find you. -Albert J. Nock

    Replies: @Nodwink

    Do you think the US military is going to send some stoner around at 1am to stumble into your living room, armed with a kitchen knife?

    What will actually happen is that a bee-sized drone will come into your house, and inject you with poison. You felt a tiny prick, went to swipe what you thought was a mosquito, and drifted back to sleep. You’ll be dead in a few minutes.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/government-collected-dna-and-future-micro-drones-are-downright-scary-2012-10?r=US&IR=T

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @Nodwink

    I was responding to your assertion that America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs. A gun owner will blow you away once it gets personal.

    From your comment, I'm fairly certain you have no STEM background. What you see on TV is mostly bullshit. Everything needs energy to move. Manufacturing a tiny device, as you implied, requires a power source and must also be tiny. These devices are good for seconds till they run out of power.

    Just look at the helicopter they just sent to mars. It has a flight time maximum of 90 seconds before it must land and recharge. Another inconvenient fact that the MSM conveniently leaves out of their gushing praise of another wasteful boondoggle.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    , @Possumman
    @Nodwink

    And we will all be flying to work in our flying cars and reading our phone screen with the chip in our eye

  45. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    Maybe us having firearms is the reason things aren’t worse

  46. @jsinton
    @Cloudbuster

    Sure, Americans can make more money. But they are hobbled by poor education, they wind up stupider. They wind up bankrupt by the healthcare kleptocracy. They live shorter lives. Their economic standing vs their parents is in decline. Their economy and jobs are in decline. They are happier, but who knows why.

    Replies: @Cloudbuster, @Libre

    Completely false. Remember we are ⅓ nagger and spac. Compare whites to Europeans and we do better.

    Look at white life expectancy and remove fatal injuries, were top of the world.

    We are the healthcare leader of the world, and would be even better if we weren’t obese fucks.

    Etc etc

  47. Wanna bet July only missed being a record month because gun stores EVERYWHERE are out of guns TO sell?! It’s not just ammo that is darned near impossible to get!

  48. @Bragadocious
    @dfordoom

    Why don't you go lecture the folks in Ulster about the stupidity and futility of owning weapons. One of the main reasons the Brits came to the table in 1998 was because Provos there were armed to the teeth -- as were their Unionist opponents. The Brits had no stomach for this and said (in essence) you guys work it out, we're going home. Without the threat of gun violence, they'd still be ruling NI from London.

    Also, you might try writing better. Repeating yourself ad nauseam just makes you an irritating Australian gasbag.

    Replies: @Libre

    The unionists want direct rule back. Home rule has been a disaster. So much for no surrender. British history seems to be more about retreating than the French since 1945. India, Israel, Ireland, Hong Kong, where else?

  49. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    You can still buy ammo “mail-order” (or on the internet). I do it all the time (well, I did – I no longer buy anything gun-related online or with a credit card and, besides, I have enough ammo to last several lifetimes).
     
    Yes, it was sort-of restored in McClure-Volkmer Firearm Owner's Protection Act , but you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it. That means you have significant cost appended to small orders.

    When McClure-Volkmer passed, they tried to get the USPO to be able to ship ammo, but were unable to over Democrat opposition. Maybe POTUS could trade more money for the USPS in return for true "mail-order" ammo with NO HazMat fees.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it.

    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.

    By the way, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just found California’s ban on magazines with capacity over 10 rounds unconstitutional. The majority opinion was written by Judge Kenneth K. Lee who was born in South Korea:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/federal-appeals-court-rules-californias-magazine-ban-unconstitutional/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_K._Lee

    He is a Trump-appointee, and was opposed by Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.
     
    Sounds great. I only mentioned that because someone I know purchased 1,000 rounds (500 for me!) of 7.62x51mm and it was shipped ground and it had a $20 HazMat on it. So I guess it is up to the carriers.

    Shipping regulations are set by DOT (Department of Transportation). DOT defines how various materials must be packaged and shipped in order to provide safe transport. If you manufacture a potentially hazardous product you must hire an independent lab to do the testing for DOT. The independent lab does the testing and files a request to DOT for what is called a shipping classification. After DOT reviews the labs recommendations the manufacturer receives what is called an EX number from DOT. The EX Number is referenced to describe shipping and labeling requirements. In other words a Hazard Class is assigned. I have had to have this done for a few of my products. See CFR49 (Code of Federal Regulations) for details,

    !!! WARNING !!!

    It's a very dull read. When you receive a hazmat package you will see the manufacturers EX number recorder on one of the labels.

    DOT does not require HazMat fees. The vendors charge this fee because the packaging and transportation requirements set forth by DOT require extra time for employees to process.

    So FedEx and UPS are the guys charging HazMat fees not DOT. They charge these fees to cover extra time and handling by the staff, extra labels and all other added shipping costs. Preparing a HazMat shipment requires a trained individual. Initial training and followup training every three years or so is required.

    Most loaded ammo falls under the classification, or better said exemption, ORM-D (Other Regulated Materials-Domestic). January 1 2014 many of the DOT classifications will change to some degree. As far as FedEx is concerned the shipping exemption ORM-D for loaded ammo will no longer be available. There will be a similar exemption created, I don't believe hazmat fees will apply, I think only the package labeling will change.

    As always, extra costs are always passed on to the consumer.


    david bachelder, Jun 14, 2013
    #4

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/why-a-hazmat-fee.719561/

     

    Replies: @Twinkie

  50. @dfordoom
    @Currahee


    Until we see significant efforts to organize neighborhood militias, these gun owners are only playing with themselves.
     
    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It's something that is just not going to happen.

    It's also highly likely that anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is in fact going to be an FBI agent provocateur.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin, @Cloudbuster, @iffen, @Twinkie

    And in the real world anyone trying to organise a neighbourhood militia is going to get a visit from the FBI. And spend the next few years in a prison cell. It’s something that is just not going to happen.

    That’s a complete nonsense. One of my neighborhood watch groups (we happen to go shooting together as well) has a retired FBI agent and several inactive military members.

    If you don’t go around shouting “We are a militia intent on overthrowing the USG,” you aren’t going to get a visit from the law. FBI is rather too busy to be wasting time going after such innocuous grassroots groups. You certainly aren’t going to go to prison for belonging to such a civic association.

    • Agree: iffen
  51. @Cloudbuster
    @Nodwink

    a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    Most of Europe Is a Lot Poorer than Most of the United States

    I'm sure you can weasel out though, with your prodigious use of weasel words like "a large number" (what? 1,000? 1,000,000?) and "many" (How many? Yes, I am sure the top Brazilian oligarchs live better lives than most Americans).

    Replies: @jsinton, @Nodwink

    Did you send me a link to a libertarian think tank, whose main argument is ‘GDP per capita’? Did you really do that? Am I dreaming?

    I could spend all day linking to reports of the USA’s decline and structural deficiencies, but I suspect you know them already.

  52. @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin


    you have a HazMat fee that you have to pay to have a shipper send it.
     
    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.

    By the way, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just found California’s ban on magazines with capacity over 10 rounds unconstitutional. The majority opinion was written by Judge Kenneth K. Lee who was born in South Korea:

    https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/federal-appeals-court-rules-californias-magazine-ban-unconstitutional/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_K._Lee

    He is a Trump-appointee, and was opposed by Diane Feinstein and Kamala Harris.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.

    Sounds great. I only mentioned that because someone I know purchased 1,000 rounds (500 for me!) of 7.62x51mm and it was shipped ground and it had a $20 HazMat on it. So I guess it is up to the carriers.

    Shipping regulations are set by DOT (Department of Transportation). DOT defines how various materials must be packaged and shipped in order to provide safe transport. If you manufacture a potentially hazardous product you must hire an independent lab to do the testing for DOT. The independent lab does the testing and files a request to DOT for what is called a shipping classification. After DOT reviews the labs recommendations the manufacturer receives what is called an EX number from DOT. The EX Number is referenced to describe shipping and labeling requirements. In other words a Hazard Class is assigned. I have had to have this done for a few of my products. See CFR49 (Code of Federal Regulations) for details,

    !!! WARNING !!!

    It’s a very dull read. When you receive a hazmat package you will see the manufacturers EX number recorder on one of the labels.

    DOT does not require HazMat fees. The vendors charge this fee because the packaging and transportation requirements set forth by DOT require extra time for employees to process.

    So FedEx and UPS are the guys charging HazMat fees not DOT. They charge these fees to cover extra time and handling by the staff, extra labels and all other added shipping costs. Preparing a HazMat shipment requires a trained individual. Initial training and followup training every three years or so is required.

    Most loaded ammo falls under the classification, or better said exemption, ORM-D (Other Regulated Materials-Domestic). January 1 2014 many of the DOT classifications will change to some degree. As far as FedEx is concerned the shipping exemption ORM-D for loaded ammo will no longer be available. There will be a similar exemption created, I don’t believe hazmat fees will apply, I think only the package labeling will change.

    As always, extra costs are always passed on to the consumer.

    david bachelder, Jun 14, 2013
    #4

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/why-a-hazmat-fee.719561/

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Joe Stalin

    https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/hazardous-materials/shipping-ammunition.page


    Will I Pay An Additional Fee For Shipping Cartridges, Small Arms?

    When shipping ORM-Ds or Limited Quantities of hazardous materials by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu or Intra-Alaska, only the standard shipping charges apply. There are no "accessorial" or additional charges.
     
    I’ve never paid a hazmat fee buying ammo online, ever.
  53. @Joe Stalin
    @dfordoom

    You just don't understand AMERICA.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQhs-UzYgU

    Replies: @dfordoom

    You just don’t understand AMERICA.

    You don’t understand reality.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
    @dfordoom


    You don’t understand reality.
     
    So said the Aussie that lives on an island of Whiteopia.

    I've seen White people with bullet holes across their chest courtesy of a Black robber (DOA), seen people lying in the street from knife wounds before the FD ambulance took them away, came across a man dying of knife wounds on the sidewalk.

    So go right ahead and comment on how Americans don't know about anything about America.

    We'll just snicker.
  54. @dfordoom
    @Joe Stalin


    You just don’t understand AMERICA.
     
    You don't understand reality.

    Replies: @Joe Stalin

    You don’t understand reality.

    So said the Aussie that lives on an island of Whiteopia.

    I’ve seen White people with bullet holes across their chest courtesy of a Black robber (DOA), seen people lying in the street from knife wounds before the FD ambulance took them away, came across a man dying of knife wounds on the sidewalk.

    So go right ahead and comment on how Americans don’t know about anything about America.

    We’ll just snicker.

  55. @Nodwink
    @RoatanBill

    Do you think the US military is going to send some stoner around at 1am to stumble into your living room, armed with a kitchen knife?

    What will actually happen is that a bee-sized drone will come into your house, and inject you with poison. You felt a tiny prick, went to swipe what you thought was a mosquito, and drifted back to sleep. You'll be dead in a few minutes.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/government-collected-dna-and-future-micro-drones-are-downright-scary-2012-10?r=US&IR=T

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Possumman

    I was responding to your assertion that America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs. A gun owner will blow you away once it gets personal.

    From your comment, I’m fairly certain you have no STEM background. What you see on TV is mostly bullshit. Everything needs energy to move. Manufacturing a tiny device, as you implied, requires a power source and must also be tiny. These devices are good for seconds till they run out of power.

    Just look at the helicopter they just sent to mars. It has a flight time maximum of 90 seconds before it must land and recharge. Another inconvenient fact that the MSM conveniently leaves out of their gushing praise of another wasteful boondoggle.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    @RoatanBill

    Anyone with intent who doesn't keep their damn mouth shut is begging for trouble.  That's why you hear so little.

  56. @RoatanBill
    @Nodwink

    I was responding to your assertion that America’s gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs. A gun owner will blow you away once it gets personal.

    From your comment, I'm fairly certain you have no STEM background. What you see on TV is mostly bullshit. Everything needs energy to move. Manufacturing a tiny device, as you implied, requires a power source and must also be tiny. These devices are good for seconds till they run out of power.

    Just look at the helicopter they just sent to mars. It has a flight time maximum of 90 seconds before it must land and recharge. Another inconvenient fact that the MSM conveniently leaves out of their gushing praise of another wasteful boondoggle.

    Replies: @Mr. Rational

    Anyone with intent who doesn’t keep their damn mouth shut is begging for trouble.  That’s why you hear so little.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  57. @Nodwink
    @RoatanBill

    Do you think the US military is going to send some stoner around at 1am to stumble into your living room, armed with a kitchen knife?

    What will actually happen is that a bee-sized drone will come into your house, and inject you with poison. You felt a tiny prick, went to swipe what you thought was a mosquito, and drifted back to sleep. You'll be dead in a few minutes.

    https://www.businessinsider.com.au/government-collected-dna-and-future-micro-drones-are-downright-scary-2012-10?r=US&IR=T

    Replies: @RoatanBill, @Possumman

    And we will all be flying to work in our flying cars and reading our phone screen with the chip in our eye

  58. @Chrisnonymous
    @dfordoom

    I used to feel more like this, but I heard an ex-Navy SeAL talking about former special forces possibly needing to step in in the future to solve some problems. I think he was actually talking about putting down secessionists or militias. But the fact that he was taking the armed insurrection thing seriously made me wonder if I underestimate what armed civilians are capable of.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    It’s not realistic now, but a combination of econoclysm and social credit scores ostracizing large numbers of dissidents from society could change that People do desperate things in desperate situations.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Audacious Epigone


    It’s not realistic now, but a combination of econoclysm and social credit scores ostracizing large numbers of dissidents from society could change that People do desperate things in desperate situations.
     
    People doing desperate things don't achieve anything. If you want to achieve something (and I'm talking about political struggles in general not just armed rebellions or revolutions peaceful or otherwise) you need organisation, discipline and a willingness to accept the possibility of paying a very high personal price. And organisation is pretty much impossible without money. You also need a critical mass of other people prepared to offer at least limited support. Political activists and revolutionaries, peaceful or otherwise, need to be able to depend on ordinary people not denouncing them to the authorities.

    Desperation does not magically bring these necessary things into existence.

    What desperate people usually end up doing is destroying themselves by committing random acts of violence.

    I'm also not sure that revolutions (peaceful or otherwise) occur when times are really desperate. When times are really desperate people worry about individual survival or the survival of their families. If desperation was the factor that led people to resist why is it that in the course of history have there have been remarkably few slave revolts?

    The Russian Revolution occurred because the revolutionaries were not desperate. The Tsarist regime was not all that oppressive and the revolutionaries were therefore able to organise effectively. The American Revolution occurred because the revolutionaries had not been brutally suppressed and were not particularly desperate. The cultural/social revolution that began in the West in the 1960s occurred because those pushing that revolution were not desperate at all - they enjoyed widespread public and elite support and they suffered at most incredibly minor suppression.
  59. @Joe Stalin
    @Twinkie


    There is no hazmat fee for shipping ammo by ground. Only shipping primers and powder incurs hazmat fees.
     
    Sounds great. I only mentioned that because someone I know purchased 1,000 rounds (500 for me!) of 7.62x51mm and it was shipped ground and it had a $20 HazMat on it. So I guess it is up to the carriers.

    Shipping regulations are set by DOT (Department of Transportation). DOT defines how various materials must be packaged and shipped in order to provide safe transport. If you manufacture a potentially hazardous product you must hire an independent lab to do the testing for DOT. The independent lab does the testing and files a request to DOT for what is called a shipping classification. After DOT reviews the labs recommendations the manufacturer receives what is called an EX number from DOT. The EX Number is referenced to describe shipping and labeling requirements. In other words a Hazard Class is assigned. I have had to have this done for a few of my products. See CFR49 (Code of Federal Regulations) for details,

    !!! WARNING !!!

    It's a very dull read. When you receive a hazmat package you will see the manufacturers EX number recorder on one of the labels.

    DOT does not require HazMat fees. The vendors charge this fee because the packaging and transportation requirements set forth by DOT require extra time for employees to process.

    So FedEx and UPS are the guys charging HazMat fees not DOT. They charge these fees to cover extra time and handling by the staff, extra labels and all other added shipping costs. Preparing a HazMat shipment requires a trained individual. Initial training and followup training every three years or so is required.

    Most loaded ammo falls under the classification, or better said exemption, ORM-D (Other Regulated Materials-Domestic). January 1 2014 many of the DOT classifications will change to some degree. As far as FedEx is concerned the shipping exemption ORM-D for loaded ammo will no longer be available. There will be a similar exemption created, I don't believe hazmat fees will apply, I think only the package labeling will change.

    As always, extra costs are always passed on to the consumer.


    david bachelder, Jun 14, 2013
    #4

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/why-a-hazmat-fee.719561/

     

    Replies: @Twinkie

    https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/hazardous-materials/shipping-ammunition.page

    Will I Pay An Additional Fee For Shipping Cartridges, Small Arms?

    When shipping ORM-Ds or Limited Quantities of hazardous materials by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu or Intra-Alaska, only the standard shipping charges apply. There are no “accessorial” or additional charges.

    I’ve never paid a hazmat fee buying ammo online, ever.

  60. @Audacious Epigone
    @Chrisnonymous

    It's not realistic now, but a combination of econoclysm and social credit scores ostracizing large numbers of dissidents from society could change that People do desperate things in desperate situations.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    It’s not realistic now, but a combination of econoclysm and social credit scores ostracizing large numbers of dissidents from society could change that People do desperate things in desperate situations.

    People doing desperate things don’t achieve anything. If you want to achieve something (and I’m talking about political struggles in general not just armed rebellions or revolutions peaceful or otherwise) you need organisation, discipline and a willingness to accept the possibility of paying a very high personal price. And organisation is pretty much impossible without money. You also need a critical mass of other people prepared to offer at least limited support. Political activists and revolutionaries, peaceful or otherwise, need to be able to depend on ordinary people not denouncing them to the authorities.

    Desperation does not magically bring these necessary things into existence.

    What desperate people usually end up doing is destroying themselves by committing random acts of violence.

    I’m also not sure that revolutions (peaceful or otherwise) occur when times are really desperate. When times are really desperate people worry about individual survival or the survival of their families. If desperation was the factor that led people to resist why is it that in the course of history have there have been remarkably few slave revolts?

    The Russian Revolution occurred because the revolutionaries were not desperate. The Tsarist regime was not all that oppressive and the revolutionaries were therefore able to organise effectively. The American Revolution occurred because the revolutionaries had not been brutally suppressed and were not particularly desperate. The cultural/social revolution that began in the West in the 1960s occurred because those pushing that revolution were not desperate at all – they enjoyed widespread public and elite support and they suffered at most incredibly minor suppression.

  61. @SafeNow
    @Charlotte

    “... upgrade my home defense weapon.”

    I noted that the word weapon is singular. That sounded okay to me...until I was in a gun store recently. I asked the fellow behind the counter, a retired please officer, where do you keep your gun in your home. He replied “I keep my guns all over the place.” I guess it depends how rambling the house layout is. Regarding the subject of this essay, I would guess that 100% of the people with guns “all over the place“ will be voting for Trump.

    Replies: @Detroit Refugee

    “All over the place” is right.
    Here in Wayne County, Mi. one never knows when diversity choose your house for a home invasion.
    Living room, kitchen, bedrooms, etc.

    All over the place.

  62. @Charlotte
    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that. The MSM either doesn’t understand this, or doesn’t want to go there. That said, personal protection is a big deal, too, and I’d wager gun sales would be even higher if not for the current gun and ammo shortage. The rioting convinced me to upgrade my home defense weapon. Despite being fairly pricey, my top pick is out of stock everywhere. No idea how long I’ll be waiting for it.

    Replies: @Gunga Din, @SafeNow, @Desiderius

    They understand it.

    They want to your polity destroyed and your political rights with it.

  63. @Nodwink

    Many Second Amendment enthusiasts see the right to bear arms as the foundation underpinning all political rights. Everything else may be negotiable, but not that.
     
    This is correct, in that "everything else" is negotiable, and a large number of Americans live lives that are inferior to many people in western Europe, east Asia, and even South America.

    "Second Amendment enthusiasts" are indulging in faux freedom. A weapon is a weapon only if you have some intent to use it; and America's gun-loving cucks have shown no intent to use theirs.

    Replies: @Dan, @Cloudbuster, @Currahee, @anarchyst, @RoatanBill, @dfordoom, @Libre, @Dave453

    Oyvey, what is this? Some trolling.

  64. @advancedatheist
    You have to look at the push for gun control in the larger context of the sort of futurology which envisions self-driving cars, sex robots, permanent robotic unemployment, the dependency on algorithms to make major decisions for us (Yuval Harari's pet notion), permanent immersion in virtual worlds better than the real world and so forth. All of these ideas share the assumption that we have to isolate ordinary people from having to deal with the real world so that they don't acquire skills and develop their powers of agency. Apparently our elites fear having to deal with a country full of men who know how to drive, how to pair up with young women, how to hold jobs, how to exert some control over their own destinies, how to solve practical problems with tools, and especially how to handle firearms.

    Replies: @Dave453

    Great point.

  65. @Dan
    @Joe Stalin

    "instead we get NADA after almost FOUR years of his Presidency"

    Trump declared gun shops an essential business during the pandemic. That is a pretty big deal when everything but grocery stores was shut.

    The left wanted to close all the gun shops in America. Instead we have the most gun sales in American history.

    It is pretty pro-gun to stick with the status quo. The status quo is a firehose of guns to the people.

    Replies: @Dave453

    Excellent point. It was very smart of him to keep gun stores open.

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