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That immigration has in the last few years become one of the most salient political issues in the country is something restrictionists have celebrated. Over the last two decades it has gone from being a fifth- or sixth-tier issue to being the paramount concern of Republican voters. Donald Trump is president because of it. His only serious opponent in the 2016 primaries was, by the squishy standards of the modern GOP, an immigration hardliner in his own right.

But as Republican politicians and their front organizations have been forced to pay attention to the national question, an Ellis Island revival has swept the rest of the country. When I first began looking at national polling on immigration in the early 2000s, it was taken for granted that every survey on the question would find overwhelming support for a reduction in immigration, a modest amount of support for leaving levels unchanged, and single-digit support for increasing them. Every time the Uniparty in DC tried to lower the drawbridge to the rest of the world, middle America would slam it shut.

The sentiments driving Americans to keep America American are now, less than twenty years later, mostly gone. Today a plurality favors increasing the number of legal immigrants into the country. Young, wealthy Democrats–Silicon Valley check–are zealously in favor of doing so. The following graph shows percentages in favor of increasing and of decreasing LEGAL (YouGov only capitalizes the adjective in perfect boomer form) immigration by several demographic characteristics. Those wanting no change in current levels or who are “not sure” are not shown:

Trump has been disastrous for the prospects of less immigration into the US. Having wildly overpromised and miserably undelivered on the issue, he has demoralized his supporters and galvanized his enemies. Because of the empty bloviating about turning the tide, his opponents–and they are legion–equate support for ever more immigration with #Resistance against the Orange Man. How does a goodwhite virtue signal hostility towards Trump? By supporting open borders, that’s how.

 
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  1. Thomm says:

    Trump has been disastrous for the prospects of less immigration into the US. Having wildly overpromised and miserably undelivered on the issue, he has demoralized his supporters and galvanized his enemies.

    That is not true. During his campaign, Trump said he would halt illegal immigration but openly said that he would not reduce legal immigration. He has partially succeeded in clamping down illegal immigration, and the wall is being built, but that legal immigration is the same should be no surprise as that was never what he said he would reduce in the first place.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  2. indocon says:

    I would not read too much into this AE, it’s a very nebulous question if you ask me, and even then only 32% are in favor of increasing.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  3. Great last paragraph, A.E. I’ll add that one plus in all this is that Trump has flushed out the enemies of the American people out into the open. It remains for good Americans to have courage and do something. Nick Fuentes is hopefully an example of just the start.

  4. MattinLA says:

    Well then, smart guy, how would you propose to stem the tide? Underpromise? Then our people won’t vote. Vaguely mumble about the situation so as not to piss off liberal virtue signalers? Same thing. Given the immensity of the invasion that has taken lose over the past 40 years, Trump is follow the only tenable strategy: raise the stakes. Increase the volume. See and raise their fanaticism with even more on our side. Show them this will be a fight to the death, no matter how much we are outnumbered. At this stage, this is the only option we have left.

  5. gman says:

    off topic –

    how does the addition of Deval Patrick (who AFAIK will not appear on the AK or AL ballots) affect the 2020 race?

  6. @Achmed E. Newman

    Donald Trump has taken to outright lying about the state of the American economy. He says we’re in the midst of a manufacturing renaissance when manufacturing is actually contracting. He keeps tweeting about a China trade deal in order to goose the stock indices, even though we are no closer to signing a trade deal then we ever have been, and if we actually got a trade deal it would just be more globalism (the market has rallied probably 60 or 70 times on the same fake news—talk about Lucy and the football). He browbeats the Federal Reserve into lowering interest rates and embarking on NOT-QE4, meanwhile daily proclaiming that we have the strongest economy in decades.

    This is really starting to bother me. Economic realism was the main reason I voted for Trump, even more so than immigration (indeed, the latter is actually just a function of the former). So far he has acted like nothing more than a fiscal Baghdad Bob. I don’t see how he maintains credibility on anything after that.

  7. Twinkie says:

    I vote for secession.

    I used to think that federalism allowed Americans to experiment with political ideologies to some extent… to vote with our feet, if you will.

    Alas, the cultural and ideological homogenizing force of post-post-modern leftism marches on and assimilates all like the Borg.

    I’ve moved a lot in the past few decades. I moved, assimilated into the locality, including voting like the locals. Then leftists moved in and voted as they did in their places of origin and upended the said locality and remade it into their former home. I escaped, moved to a new placed and… rinse and repeat. I’ve done this a few cycles now.

    I really thought I was going to settle down for good this time. All I got left are West Virginia (my preference) and Idaho (my wife’s). And I am not sure how long those states will hold out.

    So I vote for secession. Let us have a real political experiment. We can have one country where you have to use 214 pronouns, trannies can marry cats, blacks and homosexuals run the government, the government serves as the babysitter and substitute husband, and anything more dangerous than a butter knife is illegal. Then, we can have a separate country where everyone goes to church, people don’t lose their jobs for calling mentally ill sexual deviants what they are, everyone actually is equal under the law (no “protected class,” no affirmative action), we can revere the “dead white males” who founded this country, and I can own machine guns. We coexist peacefully, trade, visit each other’s country, and let’s see how it shakes out in 25 years.

    You are right, AE – I want a peaceful dissolution. I can’t keep moving. I am running out of states.

  8. neutral says:

    There is probably a very close correlation of this and the wish for free health care, education, housing, etc. America is a nation where the vast majority are morons, the end result of this mass lunacy is obvious.

  9. iffen says:

    AE, you make the assumption that control of the Republican Party will not revert to open border Republicans when Trump is gone. This is an un-warranted assumption. Trump is one of the main reasons immigration is a political question of importance.

    On a related happy note, we will be sending immigration patriot Jeff Sessions back to the Senate next year.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  10. Trump’s foolish attempt to fight has caused his enemies to be mad, clearly he’s doomed us all! He ought to have instead stuck to the milquetoast party line, Jeb was right all along!

    Seriously, the blackpilling over what the “silent majority” wants or doesn’t is worse than pointless, the silent majority being restrictionist Christians didn’t prevent the invasion or drag-queen story time. In a pleasing symmetry, the majority’s (supposed) taste of the month for alien invaders likewise won’t stop our eventual victory.

    And you trace this supposed uptick in pro-immigration sentiment to anti-Trumpism, which means it is at best 4(!) years old; my, how could we ever hope to overturn such a deeply entrenched and sternly held belief! It’s been nearly half of a ten year-olds lifetime since they fickly adopted this stance, surely nothing will dissuade them now! You should get a column at the NR with this kind of useless defeatism.

    The weathervane of expressed “public opinion” tends to follow the loudly proclaimed interests of the current ruling class, who knew? It won’t stop us in the end.

  11. Anonymous[217] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s hilarious you haven’t understood that rich white men will never care about poor white men.

    None of them want a white ethnostate. They only want more and more poor serfs to provide cheap labor. They don’t care if it’s poor whites or poor hispanics.

  12. Trump has been disastrous for the prospects of less immigration into the US. Having wildly overpromised and miserably undelivered on the issue, he has demoralized his supporters and galvanized his enemies. Because of the empty bloviating about turning the tide, his opponents–and they are legion–equate support for ever more immigration with #Resistance against the Orange Man. How does a goodwhite virtue signal hostility towards Trump? By supporting open borders, that’s how.

    I will not vote for rich boy baby boomer backstabber Donald John Trump again.

    Trump now screeches about flooding the USA with mass legal immigration “in the largest numbers ever.”

    Trump is refusing to deport the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA.

    Trump and the treasonous politician whores in the Republican Party want to pour hundreds of millions of foreigners into the USA — both legal and illegal.

    Trump is a complete and total politician whore for Jew billionaire casino mogul Shelly Adelson. Adelson wants to flood hundreds of millions of foreigners into the USA and Adelson wants to give amnesty to the upwards of 30 million illegal alien invaders in the USA. Adelson also wants to continue to use the US military as muscle to fight wars on behalf of the welfare millstone client state of Israel.

    Trump pulled a switcheroo on the honest and brave American voters by promising to reduce legal immigration and deport all illegal alien invaders. Trump is now calling for hundreds of millions of foreigners to invade the USA — both legally and illegally.

    The new political party called White Core America will deport all illegal alien invaders and White Core America will implement a complete and total moratorium on all legal immigration.

    To settle the brawl between the British Protestants and the Catholic continental Europeans in the USA, the use of the word WHITE for White Core America will represent the interests of both the British Protestants and the Catholic European continentals. The European Christian ancestral core of the USA must dislodge the evil JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire from power and then replace that ruling class with White Core Americans.

    Trump has crawled into bed with Shelly Adelson and Paul Singer and Mark Zuckerberg and Bernard Marcus and other Jew billionaires in an evil plot to attack and destroy the European Christian ancestral core of the USA.

    Trump has crawled into bed with the evil politican whores in the Republican Party Cheap Labor faction in an evil plot to attack US workers by flooding mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration into the USA.

    WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!

  13. Anonymous[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Twinkie

    So I vote for secession

    Deep State and their hatchet man, the federal judiciary, will nip this possibility in the bud. They are tightening their grip and using federal judges, prosecutors, and courts as bludgeons for anyone getting out of line. Media, tech, academia, entertainment, et al., are all marionettes of Deep State & the globalist oligarchs.

    A few news items from this week highlighting the indefatigable work of the hatchet man:

    President Trump’s personal attorney Rudy Giuliani is under investigation by federal prosecutors over possible campaign finance violations and accusations he failed to register as a foreign agent, Bloomberg reports.

    Multiple U.S. officials told the outlet that the probe into Giuliani’s financial dealings could also lead to charges of violating bribery or conspiracy laws, with one adding that his work alongside the president has raised counterintelligence concerns

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/470579-rudy-giuliani-under-investigation-for-campaign-finance-lobbying

    The jury in Roger Stone’s federal criminal trial ended its first day of deliberations Thursday without reaching a verdict on the longtime Trump associate’s charges of obstruction, lying to Congress and witness tampering.

    One of Stone’s attorneys told reporters outside the courtroom about 5 p.m. that the proceedings would resume Friday morning.

    A federal judge on Tuesday set a Dec. 18 sentencing hearing for Michael Flynn, the former national security adviser who pleaded guilty in 2017 to lying to federal investigators about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during the latest presidential transition.

    All I can hope for at this point is that this swelling totalitarian regime will ignominiously punish and destroy those who supported and benefited from it. The revolution eats its own.

  14. @Intelligent Dasein

    Trump is a baby boomer plutocrat globalizer rich boy liar.

    Trump did tell the truth in 2016 during the presidential campaign about the central banker shysters and the asset bubbles in stocks, bonds and real estate they created with conjured up currency and monetary extremism and asset purchases and quantitative easing and dollar swaps and the like.

    There is no free market nor capitalism nor free enterprise nor anything of the like; there is only central banker shysterism.

    Trump is now touting the massive asset bubbles in stocks and bonds and real estate and he recently talked up negative interest rates at a speech.

    I wrote this in May of 2019:

    Trump the candidate was CORRECTLY talking about asset bubbles and big fat bubbles and he was right. Nothing has changed except the asset bubbles are now phucking even more massive then the NASDAQ tech bubble and the housing bubble and some young guy named Colombo is calling them the everything bubble or the bubblebubble or something.

    Trump is the last of the baby boomer politician whores of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire to scream about how great central banker shysterism is. White Americans born after 1965 see the rigged monetary extremism game that benefits globalized billionaires and baby boomers and they are about to pull the plug on civilizationally destructive monetary extremism.

    Remember, the baby boomers were bought off with monetary extremism and three big asset bubbles to keep their greedy mouths shut about nation-wrecking mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration. The ECB has done the same thing in the eurozone and the Chinese and the Japanese have made central banker shysterism a big hit for their plutocrats and money-grubbers too.

    Trump Tells the Truth About Big Fat Phucking Asset Bubbles Created By The Privately-Controlled Federal Reserve Bank:

    This Viking guy has something to say about asset bubbles and globalized central banks:

    QE is Quantitative Easing and QT is Quantitative Tightening

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  15. Buck says:
    @Twinkie

    Dissolution is really the only solution. Federalism was a fantastic idea but has been undermined by Progressives for more than a century at all levels and branches. It was death by a thousand cuts. As much as we love them, the Federal lands set asides (National Parks, Forests, BLM, etc.) were a terrible idea. States should have fought to regain the sovereignty of their own lands. The direct election of Senators disenfranchised state legislatures. Court cases like Wickard destroyed economic freedom from the Fed’s. Now every local municipality, school district, police department and charity is wedded to Federal grant money and it’s attached strings.

    There are thousands of examples but the end result is everything now is centrally controlled by Washington. State shopping for freedom is moot. That said, living near like minded folks is better for sanity. All of Southern Appalachia from North Georgia through West Virginia is nice. The cost of living is ridiculously cheap compared to most of the country. The Northern Rockies are also great but the winters can be brutal. Left Coast expats are invading the cool ski towns in the Northern Rockies turning them into little Portlands, Seattles and San Frans. North Idaho and Western Montana have not been unscathed by this.

    Either way, bring your own job or a nice retirement fund because neither Southern Appalachia or the Northern Rockies offer much economically.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
  16. Arclight says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Largely agree – I always come in for a lot of abuse when I comment on what a massive failure he has been on immigration. I always knew he was a world class BS artist, but I thought he would at least deliver something other than rhetoric on that front. It should have been the first thing on his agenda when he still had GOP control of both chambers of Congress and a precondition for the tax cuts that really animate the sad sacks that run the GOP like Paul Ryan. Instead he rolled over immediately for tax cuts and the Republicans felt free to ignore him after having gotten that through.

    The only thing keeping me on his side for the coming election is the totally bananas open borders instincts of the most likely Dem nominees. If one of them is elected and follows through, my kids will grow up in a country that is more like Brazil than the US they will read about in history books (assuming they aren’t banned/rewritten).

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  17. @Twinkie

    Federalism died at Appomattox. Forget Idaho. California is moving there.

    I totally agree on secession. It’s the ONLY way forward for non-Communists.

  18. The Green Card Staple

    Rick Santorum was talking some sense on reducing immigration to boost wages for Americans and to reduce the nation-wrecking aspects of mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration, but even Santorum was caught up in the fanatic extremism of the Republican Party Cheap Labor Faction’s call for green cards to be stapled to the diploma of all foreigners in the USA.

    I confronted Santorum on this at a presidential primary town hall and I said the foreigners shouldn’t be here at all and I said that the foreigner student visa scam was a special interest ploy to drag more foreigners into the USA.

    Santorum dropped that “staple a green card to the diploma of foreigner STEM students” crud later on in the campaign.

    Nick Fuentes and his Groyper Patriot Army are doing great work by hammering the propaganda whores of the GOP ruling class and the GOP Cheap Labor Faction on this “green card stapled to foreigner diplomas” stuff.

    IMMIGRATION MORATORIUM NOW!

    DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS NOW!

    Tweet from 2014:

  19. iffen says:

    o to be in finland
    now that russia’s here)

    swing low
    sweet ca

    rr
    yon

    (pass the freedoms pappy or
    uncle shylock not interested

    ee cummings

  20. The Green Card Staple

    The Green Card Staple controversy has busted out into the open light of day and I must say that some puppy patriot not quite 21 years old named Nick Fuentes has been the one to do it. Fuentes and his young band of patriotic America Firsters think that American STEM workers and American workers in general should be the ones whose interests are put first — not cheap labor indentured servant foreigners or greedy money-grubbing cheap labor hogs.

    Many labored hard at knocking the stuffing out of this anti-worker crud about stapling a green card to the diploma of all foreigners who have crawled, flopped or swum their way into the USA, but when a whore for the Republican Party Cheap Labor Faction named Charlie Kirk started screaming about this green card staple scam, Fuentes and his Happy Warrior Groyper Patriot Army pushed back with patriotic fury against this anti-worker nonsense.

    I wrote this in 2013 about this anti-worker Green Card Staple scam nonsense:

    NH Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Pres. Obama have united with wealthy anti-worker extremists who want to crush the wages of Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math(S.T.E.M.) workers. Shaheen and Obama’s vile attacks on S.T.E.M. workers has been sneakily insinuated into the treasonous OBAMA/SHAHEEN/RUBIO illegal alien amnesty–mass immigration surge bill (S.744).

    Previously, Shaheen could be found shilling diversionary propaganda claptrap for a distractionary tax dodge outfit called the Concord Coalition. The Concord Coalition was formed by billionaires to make sure the baby boomer fueled budgetary debt bulge would not lead to increased taxes on those with all the ill-gotten gains from financialization and globalization.

    The current Concord Coalition U.S. debt solution is a despicable continuation of the Reagan/O’Neill/Greenspan scheme: chop away at benefits while simultaneously increasing payroll taxes and raising the retirement eligibility age. Shaheen and the Concord Coalition billionaires would be happy to see the retirement age at 75 with a payroll tax increase to 20%(10%employer, 10% employee).

    Shaheen, at this very moment, is attacking S.T.E.M. workers on behalf of vile Silicon Valley shysters who want to replace all remaining native-born S.T.E.M. workers with foreigners indentured by their visa constraints. Shaheen is following the orders of putrid technology company billionaires. Bloomberg, Gates, and Zuckerberg treasonously prefer foreigners over their own countrymen.

    Shaheen and Obama want to plunge a job-killing knife into the back of U.S. workers by stapling a green card to the diploma of S.T.E.M. graduate foreigners. Shaheen and Obama are treasonous in their billionaire-directed plan to oversupply S.T.E.M. workers.

    Hal Salzman, Rutgers University professor, stated in a recent Congressional hearing on H-1B visas that, “We(U.S.) are educating 50 percent more IT grads every year than there are job openings.” Salzman also stated, “The U.S. has more than a sufficient supply of workers available to work in S.T.E.M occupations.”

    Shaheen wants to up the yearly S.T.E.M. worker intake to levels that would crush wages and take native-born worker positions. Shaheen listens to billionaires with available loot. Shaheen also listens to Dartmouth creatures such as M. Slaughter who rabidly push the concerns of foreigners over native-born workers.

    Shaheen and Obama push multiculturalism. Shaheen and Obama are billionaire-controlled globalizers.

    Shaheen and Obama are politician bullies who will sacrifice S.T.E.M. workers on the altar of billionaire-directed globalization.

    Tweets from 2014 and 2015:

  21. As for Sen Cruz . . . .

    reduce us hardly an appropriate response to the issues.

  22. indocon says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    The really sad thing about trade war is that Trump is using at the western part of midwest that at least benefitted from China’s rise as a hammer to get benefit for whom…..hollycrap (trademarks), sili valley (IP), and whore street (opening banking in PRC). If Bernie does not get the nomination, I hope he runs as 3’rd party candidate, there he could wink and nod to his old border position, will have my vote. Against all the rest of Democrats, I will have to put airtight glue on my nose and vote for Trump again.

  23. Svevlad says:

    Oh boy, too little red, too much green.

    Slobo warned you of undesirable ethnicities, now eat shit and die I guess, because they can’t have their minds changed, perpetual, eternal, hereditary slavery might be the only option for 32% of Americans

  24. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    It’s pathetic lol. AE is like Ben Shapiro: hey, if we’re just extra nice and extra quiet, then they won’t hate us as much and then they will pass immigration restriction or something,,, right??? Winning!!!

    No. They never will. If you’re quiet they will replace you quietly. If you’re loud, and we’re finding this out, they’ll fight tool and nail to still replace you. Why? Because they hate you and want you dead. By being quiet, you just make their job easier.

    So time to grow a pair. Immigration is now a national conversation. It never was before Trump. The harder you get towards the truth, the harder the pushback. So keep pushing! Who the hell gives up just because there’s some resistance! The other side sure isn’t giving up.

    AE is the nice white neighbour, still living in the 1950s in his nice white suburb (Kansas is always behind the times). Those of us living in more diverse places know his strategy is no longer an option, nor does it work.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  25. @Arclight

    Brazil doesn’t have affirmative action, nor does it have massive hindu and chinese immigration (h1-b). The whites know their upper class status there and aren’t afraid to defend it, or work towards their collective interests.

    No, your grandchildrens future is more like a Rhodesian monstrosity with a vindictive asian overclass to boot. You are Anglos, after all, not Latins.

    • Replies: @Afriend
  26. Screwtape says:
    @Buck

    Buck, true. In practical application, at least within what remains of my lifespan, separation will have to be one of carving out a system within a system; a community that exists largely within the shadow of the empire.

    It is illegal to be white. Anything that might be construed to mean ‘white’ in terms of culture, community, political movement, or other civic venture will be crushed in the cradle.

    It must take form as a dissident network in occupied territory. Short of collapse scenarios, the separation will not be reflected on the maps for quite some time. If ever.

    Even the areas you mention will buckle to the Federal tyranny should any assertion of white advocacy come into view.

    That said, I am of the mindset that a demographic attack must be met with demographic maneuvering. Land must be held for blood and soil to exist.

    Many feel that ‘stand your ground’ is the way. I wish them well. I believe, however, that most ground is already lost. And if there is to be any ground left in whatever future comes, whites will need to go there well in advance of the prog cultists and their army of invaders. And then support each other in a zero tolerance stand against entryism.

    There will have to be a movement, physically, of like-minded people to create a concentration that will be numerically robust enough to throw off the progressive creep, but also to allow fertile ground for the grassroots of dissident culture to flourish under the poison tree of Globohomo.

    The movement of people – and the will of those people to once again place the preservation of community even slightly above their personal economic gains, is essential.

    After all, if low IQ invaders can carve out no-go zones all across Europe and parts of the USA, why can’t higher IQ industrious people of will and faith do the same?

    I have fled enough already. But blue cities in blue states is low, swampy ground. Not a good place to make a stand or marshal troops IMO. So I will be moving to one of those other places.

    The economic issue you bring up is real, but not insurmountable.

    We just need to incorporate some of the traits of our enemies like jewey preferences masked as ‘good business’ networks. Or even like an alumni network that assures hiring and social preferences that are subtle but effective.

    Simple efforts in commerce and community to bind people of like mind and spirit together will do a great deal to foster family formation and actual physical communities that will be able to weather what may come.

    Or at least that is my hope. If all else fails I will find myself in a pretty place when they come for me 😉

  27. Trump is only a signal.

    The signal says that apogee is near, that’s all.

    Flooding this geography (North America) with foreigners won’t become REAL until the National MasterCard hits its limit. It has a limit, we just can’t say for sure how high it is, but it is impossible to grow borrowing exponentially forever.

    Until then, do what gun-banners suggest for women threatened with rape: lay back and try to enjoy it.

    When things finally do get real, there will be two camps: Those for whom where they live is home, and those for whom where they live isn’t home. The latter will leave (or be planted in the soil.)

    Unfortunately, those who live where no other place is home, is made up of groups of people whose notions of how to live are incompatible with each other. Private guns or only government guns, abortion or no abortion, faggots make great scoutmasters or they don’t, it’s not pedophilia if the law allows adults to game children-lacking-agency into sex, or such people will be hanged from the nearest tree limb….

    We cannot all get along. A polity can only be shared by people whose notions of morality are relatively similar. The left shredded this decades ago.

  28. @Twinkie

    My wife and I just moved to Boise from southern California. Boise is a college town and the state capital, so it probably leans more to the left than the rest of the state. It’s got “diversity,” with a number of visible minorities. Have even seen some of the same dumb virtue signaling that one sees in So Cal; one of my neighbors had a sign in their window that said “We (heart) our Muslim neighbors” and I’ve seen a bumper sticker on a couple of cars announcing “Refugees Welcome.” Barf.

    BTW, the state’s congressional delegation is 100% GOP, but don’t let that fool you. Both congressman get a C- from Numbers USA, and both senators get an F. Agribusiness really throws their weight around up here.

    Other stuff I’ve noticed: it seems like everyone, even the senior citizens, have tattoos, too many of the young women are overweight, and for a place that’s got so many LDS churches, there sure are a lot of bars.

    • Replies: @Kevin O'Keeffe
    , @Truth
  29. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I’ll add that one plus in all this is that Trump has flushed out the enemies of the American people out into the open.

    Looking at that graph I’d say that Americans aged 18-29 would appear to be the enemies you’re looking for.

    Whatever happened to those Based Millennials and Based Gen-Zers who were going to fix everything?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Feryl
  30. @Intelligent Dasein

    Economic realism was the main reason I voted for Trump

    LOL

    • Replies: @Truth
  31. ” So far he has acted like nothing more than a fiscal Baghdad Bob. I don’t see how he maintains credibility on anything after that.”

    Hope that he will actually get to the policies he was elected to enact.

    To date the alternatives are nil to agenda required to actually bring realism to bare.

    ——————————————-

    “I’ll add that one plus in all this is that Trump has flushed out the enemies of the American people out into the open.”

    Yo no end of he doesn’t get to the reason he was elected. It is not as if we didn’t know things were amiss. Good greif, he was elected in spite of himself and because the public was aware that something was definitely wrong with the country —

    He was elected to take action. Stumped me — he hired the people he defeated in the election, Miss Coulter’s echo of that point is no small observation. He got passed the Russia gambit and instead of immediately banking on that win, he just engages in more ‘curffufles’.

    He could have begun wall construction on day 1.

  32. @dfordoom

    Whatever happened to those Based Millennials and Based Gen-Zers who were going to fix everything?

    I thought you knew. Hell, I thought you were one of them! I didn’t even know what “based” was until about 2 years ago.

  33. Feryl says: • Website
    @iffen

    AE, you make the assumption that control of the Republican Party will not revert to open border Republicans when Trump is gone. This is an un-warranted assumption. Trump is one of the main reasons immigration is a political question of importance.

    In terms of actual results, the GOP is still completely worthless on immigration. The rhetoric may be there, the action isn’t. Construction companies, farmers, the Chamber of Commerce etc. are all still faithful GOP donors who heavily rely on immigrant labor. The GOP is still the preferred party among less educated but affluent folks; over time, the GOP has gradually lost support among some sectors of the well-educated professional class due to the GOP’s pandering to Evangelical nutcases in the heartland (and recently, Trump has alienated many well-educated people), but the obvious correlation between Republicans going to the White House and tax cuts for the wealthy isn’t something that’s hard to figure out.

    The GOP could go all-in on deporting illegals, striking down the Visa lottery and Asian cheap labor Visas, halting bogus “refugee” programs* (and pursuing Catholic and Lutheran charities for immigration related fraud and abuse), strict enforcement of E-verify and employer sanctions, etc. But to go down this route would jeopardize most of the support and money they get from upper class donors, globalist think tanks, large corporations, The Church, etc. I don’t count on the GOP growing a pair anytime soon. Since the 1990’s the courts have also generally sided with open borders advocates, something that has greatly intensified since Trump took office.

    *Trump has actually heavily reduced refugee admissions compared to the GW Bush and Obama era; in fact, they may be at their lowest level since the 1970’s (remember, by 1987 Minneapolis had a mosque). Unfortunately, the 1990 Visa lottery is still in place (the single stupidest immigration policy in American history), and Trump has vocally supported large numbers of H1-B Visas which mostly go to Asians. Plus, border crossings are still at a high rate compared to say, the 1960’s.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  34. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    Whatever happened to those Based Millennials and Based Gen-Zers who were going to fix everything?

    That was all derived from the mid-2010’s “meme war”, which culminated in the election of Trump who was supposed to kill political correctness and globalism. Well la-de-da, we have even bigger problems now, major issues are still being punted on, Left-wing culture warriors are even more obnoxious and championed by the establishment, etc.

    The only real shared political trait of people under 40ish is that they absolutely, 100%, despise Reaganite conservatism and dunderheaded “patriotism” (e.g., the US is the “good guy”). Some younger people are still dumbass globalists to some degree, but they at least don’t buy into the notion that America still does a good job at anything, and they certainly don’t believe America’s bloody arrogant meddling in other countries has any justification.

    Yer Rush Limbaughisms about “America’s healthcare systems works well enough compared to other countries” (e.g. the scare about “socialized medicine”), “American conservatives have cared about human rights and freedom since Reagan”, and “America is still the land of opportunity and the best country ever”, are widely ridiculed by Millennials and Gen Z. And many Gen X born in the 1970’s already had pioneered this iconoclasm by the early 90’s, anyway.

    Hostility toward younger people is undeserved and counter-productive. We never bought into the reactionary and barbaric trends that Silents and Boomers bought into in the 80’s and 90’s, anyway. And we certainly never financially benefited from the absurd asset inflation since that period. Nor did we benefit from the populist trends of the 1920’s-1970’s.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  35. Corvinus says:
    @Buck

    “Dissolution is really the only solution.”

    For a certain segment of the population, absolutely. But for tens of millions of normies? No. You’re going to have fight.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  36. vok3 says:

    @Corvinus

    “But for tens of millions of normies? No. You’re going to have fight.”

    Correct.

    The only way to avoid what is coming is to be on a different continent. Not Western Europe, either; things are getting spicier by the day there. Meanwhile the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis has NEVER been recognized: all that bad debt it still on the books and un-defaulted, because recognizing it means bankers would lose money, power, and influence. The economy is not good; it’s just being goosed to look good and keep the headlines positive until the election. It’s all smoke and mirrors and a dedicated refusal to address the underlying problems.

    Trump knows what the problems are, starting with the unsustainable ongoing rise in health care costs resulting from local monopoly extortion. He talked about these things in his campaign. He tweets about Amazon and big tech and deplatforming and the unacceptable and illegal and prosecutable things they do. And he has not lifted a single finger to actually stop any of it. Whether his heart is in the right place or not is beside the point; he’s refusing to fix it, therefore his only use is to accelerate the crisis.

    Our host keeps saying America hasn’t had its Sulla yet. I disagree: Lincoln qualifies, with FDR in the role of Augustus. The empire replaced the republic, although the zombified forms of the republic persist. Overall the pattern of history is much accelerated from Roman times; once the shooting starts, there is no way Appalachia and the Midwest will put up being ruled from California and NYC again, short of a Holodomor.

  37. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    The GOP could go all-in on deporting illegals, striking down the Visa lottery and Asian cheap labor Visas, halting bogus “refugee” programs* (and pursuing Catholic and Lutheran charities for immigration related fraud and abuse), strict enforcement of E-verify and employer sanctions, etc. But to go down this route would jeopardize most of the support and money they get from upper class donors, globalist think tanks, large corporations, The Church, etc.

    If the GOP reduces illegal immigration they’ll combine that policy with massive increases in legal immigration in order to keep the donors, the big corporations and small business happy and they’ll also combine it with massive increases in refugee intakes to keep the lunatic Christians happy. So in the end you’ll end up with more immigration overall.

    You will never get immigration restriction from a party of the Right.

    And Trump (and the alt-right) have made immigration restriction so toxic that it is unlikely that any future administration will even contemplate reducing immigration numbers.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  38. SafeNow says:

    I write from California, where, a few days ago, a homeless man poured a bucket of warm diarrhea over the head of some hapless, innocent woman. I had previously thought that if they were to redesign the State flag, it should feature, as the State mascot, a leaf blower or a taco, but now I will add a diarrhea bucket to my imaginary flag. I am surprised that Trump, three years ago, was not observant enough to see the glimpse into the future of the U.S. that California afforded; and brave enough to take aggressive action. Now it is too late. Secession seems to be the only escape long-term.

  39. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    My wife and I just moved to Boise from southern California…Other stuff I’ve noticed: it seems like everyone, even the senior citizens, have tattoos, too many of the young women are overweight, and for a place that’s got so many LDS churches, there sure are a lot of bars.

    If you’ve lived in California, basically everyplace seems like it has a lot of bars. California doesn’t really have bars,* for whatever reason.

    *San Diego is an exception to that rule, I believe.

  40. @Intelligent Dasein

    Donald Trump has taken to outright lying about the state of the American economy. He says we’re in the midst of a manufacturing renaissance when manufacturing is actually contracting.

    Contraction? According to FRED, the Manufacturing Sector: Real Output has gone from 2016 Q4 103.574 to 2019 Q2 107.722 and now up to 2019 Q3 108.028.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/OUTMS

    But even if you want to claim a 2 quarter contraction from the 2018 Q4 peak of 109.037 to the local minima of 2019 Q2 it does not follow that we would have been better off voting for anyone other than Trump in 2016, nor does it follow that we will be better off voting for whichever idiot the Democrats nominate. Not to mention that a symmetric pro-Trump response would be “Intelligent Dasein has taken to outright lying about the state of the American economy.” After Q3 has greater manufacturing output than Q2.

    If you do not want to help then that is your business, but you cannot leave it at that, can you? You have to undermine Trump because he didn’t measure up to your unrealistic expectations. If you won’t help then pout in silence instead of adopting your boat anchor posture to drag the rest of us down.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  41. Unless demographic realities are addressed, so called peaceful separation, or any other radical change that hopes to be successful, is a non starter. You need 85% or more of any successful Western civilization to be comprised of…. westerners.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
  42. @vok3

    there is no way Appalachia and the Midwest will put up being ruled from California and NYC again, short of a Holodomor.

    I know that the Midwest has the food and energy lever over Commiefornia and JewYC.  All they have to do is cut off their supplies, and their “rulers” are in deep s**t.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  43. @Charles Pewitt

    “Trump is a baby boomer plutocrat globalizer rich boy liar.”

    You forgot “fatass dickweed ringmeat”. I thought you might like to know.

  44. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    I remember Spiro Agnew mentioning the silent majority and how some pundits immediately pounced, pointing out that the silent majority refers to the dead. When a politician uses that term it’s an attempt to imply that a majority is on his side, though they don’t say so.

    I think it’s bullshit, like most everything that politicians say.

  45. @Buck

    ” Federalism was a fantastic idea but has been undermined by Progressives for more than a century at all levels and branches.”

    Actually, it started as soon as the Constitution was ratified. Oddly, the ones who undermined it were the ones referred to as “The Federalists” in The Federalist Papers. The Anti Federalists had their number and knew that they were simply interested in a coup by which power could be centralized in the federal government.

  46. Truth says:
    @Sgt. Joe Friday

    You gents need to learn at some point; there is no escape. Not in Manilla, not in Boise, not in Greenland. The satanic war (and that’s what it is) will effect every corner of the globe. Be ready.

  47. Truth says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Economic realism was the main reason I voted for Trump

    LOL

    Yes. From a silver-spooner with 5 bankruptcies.

  48. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    You will never get immigration restriction from a party of the Right.

    Hitler wasn’t exactly pro-immigrant, was he?

    The Western Left and Right have increasingly distanced themselves from immigration restriction in order to out-run accusations of “Nazi ideology” even though virtually every nation to ever exist has gone through long periods of minimal (friendly) engagement with outsiders, thereby insuring the continued demographic and cultural continuity of each nation. And what constitutes a “settlement” vs an “invasion” differs based on whether you are looking at the viewpoint of the “losers” (e.g. the tribe which lost territory and/or political power) or the winners (e.g. the tribe that emerged with more territory or political power).

    Jews are the overwhelming victors of the post-1945 era. Israel has become increasingly hostile towards non-Jews and those who criticize Israel, yet it counts on the unconditional support of every major Western power, chiefly the US and the UK who were the primary bringers of neo-liberal open borders, de-regulation, off-shoring, political correctness, and anti-“Nazi” hysteria which have all been used to undermine the financial security, and long term demographic viability, of as many historically white countries as possible.

    All of these trends were unthinkable in the early 20th century period of rising social conservatism and tribalism. Then they gradually appeared after WW2, getting worse decade after decade.

    Sentimentality and moralism are enemies of rational thought. Nation rending crises (like a protracted depression, a revolution, an epidemic, or a foreign invasion) are necessary to be rid of of the intellectual decay arising from decades of relative comfort.

    Interestingly, however, the reckless “experimenting” with the demographics and culture of white Western countries is proving to have it’s own blow-back. Latin Americans and Muslims, who have greatly altered demographics of many countries over the last couple decades, are far more holocaust-guilt proof than Europeans or the historical Anglo-sphere population. Racially conscious movements have earned far more support among continental European “normies” than they would have in say, the 1990’s, due to the rapid influx of non-whites into much of Western Europe over the last 10-15 years (racial conciousness remains most forbidden to Anglo-sphere whites). An alliance between anti-Jewish whites and anti-Jewish Muslims is something not all that far fetched to consider, though many Jews and Anglo-gentile white elites will be ferociously opposed to it.

    Using holocaust guilt to turn Israel into a major player after the real heavy hitters (e.g., Europeans and North Asians) went at it in WW1 and WW2 was a real coup for the Jews. But it can’t go on forever. Not when the big winners have so horribly failed at stewardship of the countries they co-opted. They tell the people they occupy that demographics and culture which persisted for a long, long time is not something worth saving, or is “tainted” and should be replaced by “vibrant” culture.

    I will say that it’s likely that at least some “Left” parties of historically white countries will drive up votes by playing to the “antisemitism” of non-whites. And thus the modern “Right” parties often vilified for “racism” (even though 1950’s Democrats on average were more “racist” in their espoused views) will feel compelled to cuck harder for Israel (as pathetic boot-lickers like Josh Hawley have proven, “conservative” my ass), therby further exposing how worthless they are. Plus, the peaceniks are far more common on the Left, and the modern mainstream Right has codified war on behalf of Israel as a cherished tenet. In other words, the modern “Right” is a decadent and stupid thing that is quite aberrational from a historical perspective. And decadent and stupid things tend to implode. It’s the Left that stands to eventually benefit from the pro-Jewish descent into madness that the Right increasingly has cheered on.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  49. Feryl says: • Website
    @Mr. Rational

    I know that the Midwest has the food and energy lever over Commiefornia and JewYC. All they have to do is cut off their supplies, and their “rulers” are in deep s**t.

    California has lots of great land for agriculture (e.g. the Central Valley), albeit they need lots of irrigated water which isn’t easy to come by in the Western US.

    All players in a protracted conflict will come by a needed resource any way they can get it. California and the urban East Coast would find some strategic ally in order to get some resource that an enemy won’t provide. This stuff isn’t rocket science. Also, back in the Civil War era parts of the Upper South that had few plantations sometimes socially and even politically supported the Union, or were neutral rather than big supporters of either side. In other words, we could be in a situation where say, Minnesota agrees to provide resources to California after Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas go their own way. The US is just too big and ethnically/culturally diverse to expect entire geographic regions to be on the same page. BTW, referring to the “North” or “South” when talking about the Civil War era is rather misleading; Confederacy and Union are much accurate, because social and even political support for one side or the other varied widely within regions and even some states.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    , @dfordoom
  50. SafeNow says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    “unless demographic realities are addressed…peaceful separation or any other radical change..is a non-starter…you need 85% or more”

    Please explain what you mean by “addressed.” Is >85% what you mean by “addressed”? Or is “addressed” one requirement, and 85% a separate requirement?

    • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
  51. @Feryl

    All players in a protracted conflict will come by a needed resource any way they can get it. California and the urban East Coast would find some strategic ally in order to get some resource that an enemy won’t provide.

    Neither California nor NYC have the resources or skilled workforce to be able to build e.g. LNG import terminals, nor would there be time if it came to a wartime blockade.  Simply taking down the power lines from the BPA would black out California in much of the year, and inland in the summer that’s deadly.  The one thing CA might be able to supply for itself is oil, as it has its own refineries.  But CA is a massive importer of electric power and natural gas, and if those imports were cut off the population would not be able to get out in time even if the borders weren’t blockaded.  NYC is even more hopeless.

    The US east coast gets most of its petroleum via pipelines from refineries in Texas and Louisiana.  Do I need to point out how vulnerable that makes it?  This is something that a foreign enemy could and would exploit in a conflict, but civil disputes would make targets of such infrastructure too.

    One of the consequences of such attacks is immediate severe damage to the US economy, and likely collapse of the value of the dollar.  Loss of world reserve currency status would follow.  As our current “clown world” is only held up by the near-infinite borrowing capacity this makes possible, it would collapse too.  I can see nationalists going after the cities to bring down the elites which hate them and want them dead and their armies which trade votes for welfare.

    Once the crisis kicked off those same welfare hordes would keep it going without any further inducements.  There would be many fewer “minorities” afterwards.

  52. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Manufacturing isn’t contracting and GDP growth in the key states that gave Trump his electoral victory is double or more what it was under Obama.

  53. @SafeNow

    I have highlighted the appropriate definition for your convenience. (convenience means to appeal to one’s comfort or needs, in case you were going to reply to me with the word in scare quotes 10-15 times)

    Addressed:

    Also found in: Thesaurus, Medical, Legal, Financial, Acronyms, Idioms, Encyclopedia.
    ad·dress (ə-drĕs′)
    tr.v. ad·dressed, ad·dress·ing, ad·dress·es
    1. To speak to: addressed me in low tones.
    2. To make a formal speech to: addressed the union members at the convention.
    3. To call (a person to whom one is speaking) by a particular name or term: Address the judge as “Your Honor.”
    4. To direct (a spoken or written message) to the attention of: address a protest to the faculty senate.
    5. To mark with a destination: address a letter.
    6.
    a. To direct the efforts or attention of (oneself): address oneself to a task.
    b. To begin to deal with: addressed the issue of taxes.
    7. To dispatch or consign (a ship, for example) to an agent or factor.
    8. Sports To adjust and aim the club at (a golf ball) in preparing for a stroke.

  54. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    All players in a protracted conflict will come by a needed resource any way they can get it.

    In such a conflict the winners will be the ones who control the military, the police and the surveillance state. And they’re going to be the same people who currently control the military, the police and the surveillance state. End of story.

  55. SFG says:
    @MattinLA

    Vote for Trump (because the Dems are going to be infinitely worse) and pressure him from the right to hold to his words.

    I actually don’t think Trump gives a @#$% about immigration or anything else other than self-aggrandizement. But he needs restrictionists to get to the polls to get re-elected. We have a year.

  56. @MattinLA

    Exactly. All of these Trump bashers never clearly state what Trump should do. It is like they haven’t noticed every single major institution in the West and East is aligned against him and us. And have been since at least Lincoln or at the latest WWI.

    I genuinely would like to hear their, and here is the catch, workable solutions. I personally don’t have a workable, legal, non-violent clue to what would work. When a person is intent on suicide it is hard to stop them.

    Great comment MattinLA.

  57. Corvinus says:
    @Feryl

    “The only real shared political trait of people under 40ish is that they absolutely, 100%, despise Reaganite conservatism and dunderheaded “patriotism”.”

    LOL. no. I get why you are using over the top rhetoric, but you come across as an SJW with this statement.

    “Some younger people are still dumbass globalists to some degree, but they at least don’t buy into the notion that America still does a good job at anything…”

    Any evidence to back up your claim?

    “American conservatives have cared about human rights and freedom since Reagan”, and “America is still the land of opportunity and the best country ever”, are widely ridiculed by Millennials and Gen Z.”

    And you keep doubling down here. So, where is your proof?

    “We never bought into the reactionary and barbaric trends that Silents and Boomers bought into in the 80’s and 90’s, anyway. And we certainly never financially benefited from the absurd asset inflation since that period. Nor did we benefit from the populist trends of the 1920’s-1970’s.”

    Who is this “we”? Perhaps it is YOU.

  58. @indocon

    The biggest downer is just how much expressed sentiment has shifted in 15 years, even with those things considered.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  59. @Thomm

    He waffled, though he ultimately came out in favor of the RAISE act which would reduce legal immigration from current levels.

  60. @Achmed E. Newman

    Fuentes is witty, charismatic, and well-adjusted. The corporate media has given this 21-yo nowhere else to go. Big mistake on their part–big gift for us.

  61. @MattinLA

    Agree. I was on the Trump Train in mid-2015 and never got off. Trump’s not the only option–I like Twinkie’s–but he is the best thing we have right now.

    The two biggest errors in my mind are 1) The failure to bring people on board with the Trump agenda into the administration from the outset. Pat Buchanan, who is as close to omniscience as it gets wrt the DC establishment, should’ve been chief of staff. Do that, and it’s unlikely any of the many terrible appointments get made; and 2) Not sending off an unending number of executive orders and using the presidential bully pulpit to specifically call out individuals thwarting him. Throwing down the gauntlet against an obstructionist judiciary has its problems, but they’re better than surrendering without a fight, which is what the administration has done.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Feryl
  62. @gman

    After muffing Kamala Harris up badly, I’m hesitant to willingly play the fool again.

    That said, I bandied about Patrick as the obvious next step for the Democrats before I even started talking up Harris. Patrick is a legitimate rags-to-riches black ADOS. Unlike Obama (and Harris), he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I predicted that if he got the nomination, we’d see Obama retconned from the first black president into the first mixed race president to make room for Patrick as the first black president.

    He isn’t completely lacking in national name recognition, but he’s not a household name. If Biden legitimately drops out before Iowa, maybe Patrick surges. If not, though, he probably just helps Warren by filching some of Biden’s black support.

    • Replies: @Truth
  63. @gman

    I’ll check later but IIRC he can’t even get on the ballot in Iowa–New Hampshire would have to be his first stop.

    • Replies: @gman
  64. @iffen

    They’ll really have to rig the nomination process to make that happen. Trump and Cruz together got something like 80% of GOP primary support. They were the restrictionist options, the rest of the GOP was the amnesty wing. Immigration is a bigger issue than ever for Republicans. There are proportionately fewer Republicans now than 15 years ago, and non-Republicans have become fanatical immigration boosters, but that doesn’t get rid of the problem for the GOPe.

    • Replies: @iffen
  65. @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    I appreciate the enthusiasm and I hope you’re right. There just isn’t much time. Bernie Sanders’ “climate refugee” plan is ominous.

  66. @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Heh, I appreciate your enthusiasm as well, though I was working to make immigration part of the national conversation when you were in preschool. I’ve seen seminal populist restrictionist movements get taken to the woodshed multiple times before (anyone remember the minutemen? The tea party?)

    Assuming most people hate you and want you dead is delusional. Most people don’t care. Fuentes understands that.

  67. gman says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    thanks and I meant AR (Arkansas) instead of AK

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  68. I am surprised anyone takes the Raise Act seriously as any manner of sustained reduction.

    I don’t buy it for one minute that the US needs a single new immigrant for anything.

    This is the kind of gaming that Sen Cotton offers:

    ““(b) Maximum Number Of Admissions.—

    “(1) IN GENERAL.—The number of refugees who may be admitted under this section in any fiscal year may not exceed 50,000.

    “(2) ASYLEES.—The President shall annually enumerate the number of aliens who were granted asylum in the previous fiscal year.”; and

    (5) by striking “Attorney General” each place such term appears and inserting “Secretary of Homeland Security”.”

    And then in vert short order:

    “SEC. 4. FAMILY-SPONSORED IMMIGRATION PRIORITIES.

    (a) Immediate Relative Redefined.—Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1151) is amended—

    (1) in subsection (b)(2)(A)—

    (A) in clause (i), by striking “children, spouses, and parents of a citizen of the United States, except that, in the case of parents, such citizens shall be at least 21 years of age.” and inserting “children and spouse of a citizen of the United States.”; and

    (B) in clause (ii), by striking “such an immediate relative” and inserting “the immediate relative spouse of a United States citizen”;

    (2) by striking subsection (c) and inserting the following:

    “(c) Worldwide Level Of Family-Sponsored Immigrants.— (1) The worldwide level of family-sponsored immigrants under this subsection for a fiscal year is equal to 88,000 minus the number computed under paragraph (2)”

    Note the adjusted 50k to an additional 38k, and that doesn’t include nonimmigrants waivers. The raise as described in press briefings is not at all what the legislation actually does.

    and then there is this little gem:
    “(4) An alien is ineligible to receive a visa or to be admitted into the United States as a nonimmigrant described in section 101(a)(15)(W) unless the alien provides satisfactory proof that the United States citizen son or daughter has arranged for health insurance coverage for the alien, at no cost to the alien, during the anticipated period of the alien’s residence in the United States.”.

    Healthcare not paid for by the alien, but provided in some manner by the sponsoring family member. This is gamesmanship written in legalese loaded to bear with issues: for example, if the cut off is 88k and the supposed immediate family member yet to be included is a 10 year old child — laughing — what is the justification for denying the additional. I see this as part and parcel to a long running gambits including a myriad of adopted children relative schemes.

    When they come up with a plan to employ the unemployed here in the US, we can discuss their bottomless boat filled with holes of supposedly 500k limits.

    Build the wall yesterday. ever sine came up two years ago, it smells worse every time i read it.

  69. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    The biggest downer is just how much expressed sentiment has shifted in 15 years, even with those things considered.

    And the shift is equally dramatic on all social and cultural issues. Plus support for freedom of speech is declining rapidly.

    What’s really interesting is that there is pretty much no debate or discussion at all on economic issues. Economic issues are now things that you simply don’t talk about.

    There is no actual political debate at all. We live in a post-politics age. Everything now is a moral issue. Opposing immigration is morally wicked. Questioning feminism is morally wicked. Expressing doubts about the tranny stuff is morally wicked. Expressing anything less than absolute support for homosexuals is morally wicked. Questioning affirmative action is morally wicked. Expressing even mild scepticism about racial oppression is morally wicked.

    But questioning the current neoliberal economic order is something that cannot even be imagined. It would be like questioning the existence of gravity.

    The real achievement of the neoliberals has been to remove politics entirely from politics.

  70. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Trump’s not the only option–I like Twinkie’s–but he is the best thing we have right now.

    Trump is the best thing that has ever happened from the point of view of the neoliberal globalists and the SJWs. He has discredited the very idea of dissent. He has united the Coalition of the Fringes. He has given them an excuse for a massive crackdown on dissent. He has made the idea of abolishing freedom of speech respectable and mainstream.

    If you wanted to establish a neoliberal totalitarian police state you’d be praying for someone like Trump to come along. He’s the Emmanuel Goldstein that they needed.

    • Disagree: iffen
    • Replies: @Feryl
  71. Afriend says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Haven’t you heard Brazil has affirmative action now? Sailer has posted a fair bit on it.

  72. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    But questioning the current neoliberal economic order is something that cannot even be imagined. It would be like questioning the existence of gravity.

    The real achievement of the neoliberals has been to remove politics entirely from politics.

    Due to massive consolidation in most sectors (chiefly the media), there has been a slow strangulation of intellectual and cultural freedom in the West (unless you are gay or transsexual, of course). “The Media” now means whatever Disney, Jeff Bezos, Carlos Slim, Rupert Murdoch etc. is supporting or tolerating at the moment.

    On the internet, Wikipedia, Twitter, etc. are all heavily censored. Back in the 1990’s there was virtually no restrictions placed on internet discourse.

    Gabriel Zucman posted a chart showing that the taxes paid by the wealthiest classes have been gradually shrinking as a % of overall taxes paid since 1950 (while the poorest class has seen their burden grow from about 15% to 25%). The more that the elites push for radical cultural change, the less willing they are to do financial caretaking. The % they pay has really fallen since the mid-2000’s, which is of course the time of the disastrous GW Bush regime (no lending standards, No Child Left Behind, endless wars, etc.). And the Obama bank bailout was the greatest transfer of wealth in American history (from all American taxpayers to the crooked elites of the financial industry).

    The more ridiculous the elite cultural agenda is, the more they permit a new Gilded Age to deepen.

    Elites have become incredibly arrogant, but the problem is that far too many wish to join them. All of this can only stop when the vast majority of people become genuinely disgusted by greed and the trappings of elitism. So that means reviving the Progressive culture that deepened from circa 1910-1950, and was largely kept intact in the 1950’s and 60’s, only for early adopter status seekers to begin flouting new cars, flashy jewelry, college credentials, distance from the modest folk and the proles, etc. in the 1970’s*. This seeking of status and flouting of attained (or exaggerated) status would of course seep into more and more people in the 80’s and 90’s, eventually giving way to the New Gilded Age of the GW Bush-Trump era.

    *Peter Turchin says most measures of status steeking (and corruption) begin to gradually worsen as the 70’s went on. More people going to college, more divorces, working class wages beginning to stagnate, greater hostility toward labor unions and market regulation, increased immigration levels, and the latest generation of adults (late Boomers) not being taller than the preceding generation. The populist shared prosperity and well-being gains of circa 1910-1970 were beginning to stagnate and in some cases reverse. Going by the “60 year” theory, then 1850-1910 was a period of rising status seeking and elite corruption, while 1910-1970 was the opposite. So 1970-2030 or so should be the period when elitism dominates, and won’t actively start to fade away until 2030 at the earliest. Be patient.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  73. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    Another worthless neo-liberal regime that didn’t even pretend to be populist would’ve elicited more frustration from the public, let’s not forget that GHW Bush, Obama, and Hilary are all very divisive figures (whereas Reagan and Clinton ruled when life was easier and now seem relatively sane by comparison) since they did nothing to reverse Gilded Age trends. Unfortunately because we live in a Gilded Age, many erstwhile “reformers” are simply status seekers who wish to channel dissent down wrong-headed avenues. E.g., many of the Leftists saying that college should be “free” in order to make it superficially easier to get elite status. And many Right-wing figures are still whining that too much of their money goes to gov. programs and people they don’t like (it’s ok to complain about immigrants and the rich being treated too kindly, but in a well-functioning society you don’t begrudge prole natives for getting too many goodies).

    In a less corrupt era, both the rulers and those who oppose them will have better goals and will go about accomplishing them in an acceptable way. As things currently are, I predict that deaths will accompany the 2020 election (family and workplace disputes over politics escalating into violence, and the expected riots and confrontations at political rallies and voting precincts) due to the heated, often counter-productive, highly partisan, and often disastrously wrong-headed political views held by many people at the moment). Note that I’m not a Reaganite who inherently believes that people are stupid, not worth kindness or even pity, and want’s to roll around in money all day. Rather, I think that people are dumb in certain kinds of cycles. E.g, during the 1890’s Social Darwinist era (the Social Darwinists were the pre-cursors to the Reaganites) or the 2010’s SJW Left (and Limbaugh Right) era.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  74. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    Due to massive consolidation in most sectors (chiefly the media), there has been a slow strangulation of intellectual and cultural freedom in the West

    Agreed. It’s not just that some opinions are now forbidden – entire subjects are off limits. The interesting thing is that all political factions are complicit in this – if you want to discuss economic issues the mainstream right and the mainstream left will call you a Nazi while the dissident right will call you a commie. Either way the discussion will get shut down.

    The more that the elites push for radical cultural change, the less willing they are to do financial caretaking.

    Agreed. What we’ve actually experienced has been radical economic change. It’s been a neoliberal revolution. But the radical cultural change has ensured that the economic changes do not get talked about.

    Elites have become incredibly arrogant, but the problem is that far too many wish to join them.

    More to the point, far too many have been convinced that they’re going to be allowed to join them. But the only way they can enjoy the elite lifestyle of conspicuous consumption is by getting deeper and deeper into debt.

    • Replies: @Feryl
  75. Feryl says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    The two biggest errors in my mind are 1) The failure to bring people on board with the Trump agenda into the administration from the outset. Pat Buchanan, who is as close to omniscience as it gets wrt the DC establishment, should’ve been chief of staff. Do that, and it’s unlikely any of the many terrible appointments get made; and 2) Not sending off an unending number of executive orders and using the presidential bully pulpit to specifically call out individuals thwarting him. Throwing down the gauntlet against an obstructionist judiciary has its problems, but they’re better than surrendering without a fight, which is what the administration has done.

    Well, it seems to me that his presidential run was a self-promotion tour that incidentally raised important issues (around trade, foreign policy and immigration)….He never thought he’d win. Once in office, they immediately installed Pentagon babysitters (being that the post-Reagan GOP cares the most about the military elite) to surround Trump, and also limited what and who Trump was being exposed to in order to “contain” his possible “wild excesses”.

    Even Jimmy Carter, who had more political experience than Trump, found himself being “frozen out” by many Democrats since Carter often supported anti-New Deal measures (de-regulating Trucking and the Airline industry) and paid lip service to the Christian Right which annoyed old-school liberals disinterested in cultural issues. Carter became glum and disillusioned. Trump is too manic and confident to get bummed out, but he’s having as much success as president as Carter did. Which is to say, not much. Reagan seized on public discontent in 1980, whereas in 2020 no leading Dem wants to offer a huge break from the recent past. See also the tendency of Gilded Ages to produce paralysis and unappealing elites.

    Both Carter and Trump often found themselves the outsider who nobody in the political system really trusted or liked (Carter however has been treated more gently because the late 70’s were not a Gilded Age), both becoming more pilloried for more things with the passage of time. So it doesn’t really matter what a president tried to do when they are so out of touch with the establishment of their party. They’ll be ignored or rejected constantly.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  76. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    “Agreed. What we’ve actually experienced has been radical economic change. It’s been a neoliberal revolution. But the radical cultural change has ensured that the economic changes do not get talked about.”

    America not manufacturing stuff is as radical as gay marriage. But the benefits of radial economic ideas are increasingly accruing to a small and aging elite (most Gen X-ers and Millennials have very little in the way of money or assets). Not unlike how the pro-gay (and then pro-tranny) have no positive impact whatsoever on most people’s lives. That elite activity and ideas are increasingly of less value to the general population means that we tipping toward greater political instability, economic collapse, and possibly a revolution or coup (see the current mania to remove Trump from office).

    Boomers who’ve been increasingly at odds with our current arrangement ought to realize that people born after 1970 are overwhemingly enraged at Reaganism, it’s just that this rage needs to be channeled wisely. Otherwise, we’ll have a fascist military junta running the show eventually (they arguably are close to doing so already, but Trump deserves credit for actually arguing with and firing the most delusional of the military set) or equally bad, a Moaist or Stalinist commie government. I think that the worst political instincts of post-Boomers (be they Left or Right) could possibly be expressed in the future, but Silents and Boomers ought to realize that by doing nothing to effectively resist neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism, they sent us down the road to a bleak future.

    More to the point, far too many have been convinced that they’re going to be allowed to join them. But the only way they can enjoy the elite lifestyle of conspicuous consumption is by getting deeper and deeper into debt.

    Boomers are the materialist show-offs. Below elite status X-ers and Millennials don’t have the funds that middle class Silents and Boomer do. So post-Boomers don’t care as much about costly goods as older generations. What do they care about?

    1) X-ers have less money than Boomers, but enough to scrape together funding for ski trips, visits to nice restaurants, concert attendance, etc. So X-ers show off by physically doing things, not owning things per se.

    2) Millennials are even broker. So Millennials focus on doing things that require no money at all, like building your Facebook or Twitter status. Or free publishing of stuff like movie reviews or political opinions on YouTube. Older generations do the same stuff, but older generations don’t put the same level of emotional investment into it. Not when they’ve already invested in material goods (Boomers) or physical outings (Gen X). Perception of what defines status differs by generation, and it probably contributes to generational misunderstandings and conflicts over priorities. E.G., X-ers don’t care about Boomer car collecting, Millennials don’t care about whatever mountains X-ers have skied, etc.

  77. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    Another worthless neo-liberal regime that didn’t even pretend to be populist would’ve elicited more frustration from the public

    Yes. Which might have been a very good thing. Hillary Clinton as president might at least have caused non-elites to start questioning the basis of neoliberalism. It might have encouraged some genuine coherent opposition.

    The danger of Trump (and it’s also the danger of that other fraud, Boris Johnson) is that they convince people that by voting for such stooges they’ve struck a real blow at the Establishment. In fact the Establishment simply tightens its grip.

    Unfortunately because we live in a Gilded Age, many erstwhile “reformers” are simply status seekers who wish to channel dissent down wrong-headed avenues.

    Yep.

  78. @dfordoom

    And the shift is equally dramatic on all social and cultural issues. Plus support for freedom of speech is declining rapidly.

    This is a direct outcome of the demoralization process as described by Yuri Bezmenov nearly 30 years ago.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  79. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    They’ll really have to rig the nomination process to make that happen.

    In what dimension do you reside?

    I was shocked (R. Unz shocked) that they let Trump have the nomination.

    Do you know any other immigration patriots (or nearly so) that can self-fund well into the primaries?

    You do know the politics of the Koch brothers types and the others that fund the Republican Party?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  80. @Intelligent Dasein

    You seem to think that Trump is allowed to do anything.

  81. @Corvinus

    Fight to broaden the perspectives of said normies. Polls show around 30% of people open to the idea of dissolution now. Our job is to push that number towards the 52% that won the Brexit vote.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  82. @vok3

    So we’re headed into the crisis of the 2020s, then?

    In fairness, I have allowed for that as well!

  83. @dfordoom

    The corporate media set Bernie Sanders straight on immigration before anyone thought Trump had a chance at the Republican nomination, let alone the presidency. Now he’s leading the way on “climate refugees”.

    The only thing I’m more certain about than immigration reduction not coming from the right is immigration reduction not coming from the left. As supportive of open borders as Democrat pols are, their voters are even more supportive still.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Feryl
  84. @Feryl

    What’s the smart money on in the foreseeable future?

    – Continued tenuous Jewish/Muslim alliance against white gentiles?
    – Jewish/gentile alliance against increasing Islamic incursion?
    – Muslim/gentile alliance against Jewish libertine cosmopolitanism?

    They all seem within the realm of possibility to me.

    • Replies: @gman
    , @Feryl
  85. @gman

    I knew what you meant. Alaska Natives aren’t Deval Patrick’s ticket to victory.

  86. @Feryl

    Is Trump not self aware enough to know what he doesn’t know, though?

    Let’s say he really didn’t want to win, he just wanted more self-promotion because his billions, massive celebrity, and youngish Slav wife wasn’t enough for a guy in his golden years. Okay, then turn operations over to your establishment supporters and spend your time doing more self-promotion. There weren’t a lot of establishment supporters, obviously, but there were some. Why weren’t they utilized?

    • Replies: @Feryl
  87. @iffen

    The Groypers are the beginning of a sustained rebellion among a big chunk of the Republican electorate against the GOPe. CPAC is barely safe any longer. No Koch puppet could even come close to the nomination in 2016, and it’s not going to be any easier in 2024. It’s easy to see Jeb Bush being booed and heckled at every single campaign event four years from now.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @iffen
  88. gman says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    Are you following the British elections at all?

    It seems to me that if Corbyn wins (he is the underdog to be sure), category #3 (Muslim/gentile alliance against Jewish libertine cosmopolitanism) would occur. I would put BDS in this category potentially.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  89. dfordoom says: • Website
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    And the shift is equally dramatic on all social and cultural issues. Plus support for freedom of speech is declining rapidly.

    This is a direct outcome of the demoralization process as described by Yuri Bezmenov nearly 30 years ago.

    Yes, except that it wasn’t the evil commies behind the demoralisation process.

  90. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    The only thing I’m more certain about than immigration reduction not coming from the right is immigration reduction not coming from the left. As supportive of open borders as Democrat pols are, their voters are even more supportive still.

    It doesn’t matter what the supporters want. It’s not like we’re talking about a democracy. What matters is what the money men want. The money men want open borders (and that means the Republican-supporting money men and the Democrat-supporting money men). And the money men always get what they want.

    The supporters will do what they’re told.

    As far as the US is concerned you have a political system entirely controlled by the rich – rich individuals and rich corporations. The politicians, every last one of them, are owned lock stock and barrel by the money men. It’s an insane system. Publicly funded election campaigns are the only way to go if you want to have a slim chance of stopping the open borders insanity.

    • Replies: @Feryl
    , @Audacious Epigone
  91. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    The Groypers are the beginning of a sustained rebellion among a big chunk of the Republican electorate against the GOPe.

    Yes, a huge chunk. It’s a gigantic mass movement with hundreds of supporters nationwide.

    Meanwhile back in the real world most people have no idea that the Groypers even exist.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
  92. Feryl says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    And in the mid-90’s, The Sierra Club was bribed into no longer criticizing open borders (by (((someone))) no less), even though mainstream Democrats and even the NYTimes (!) publicly called for lower immigration levels at that time. The mid-1990’s were (all too) brief period where it looked as if immigration restriction was very possible, buy you can imagine who was never going to sign up for it (e.g. corporate America and the wealthy). But keep in mind that Reaganite neo-liberalism had been on the rise since circa 1976, while New Deal liberalism (secure borders and stable markets) had been falling at the same time. So the GOP’s trail-blazing approach to loose borders and wild markets (be it the job market, the property market, the stock market, or what have you) is what eventually ruled the day.

    I mean, you had pro-labor New Deal Dems being increasingly ignored after they’d made it abundantly clear in the 1930’s-1970’s that immigrants were the enemy of a stable working and middle class, and really, the enemy of any sort of stability. It’s the extremely wealthy who benefit the most from un-regulated markets and bubbles, after all. But Mondale and Dukakis, the candidates preferred by old-school labor Dems and cautious technocrat, were BTFO by Reagan and his doppleganger, GHW Bush, in the 1980’s as more and more upper middle class people rejected sane and responsible governance (after all, post-Reagan the government is more big and more poorly run than it was during the 1920’s-1970’s, in addition to allowing all hell to break loose in the markets) .

    It was widely claimed by “consultants” and “experts” that Pete Wilson’s dalliance with immigration restriction was a sure-fire ticket to Republican irrelevancy when the GOP started to struggle in 1990’s California*. And thus began corporate and globalist approved talking point that politicians should focus on appealing to immigrants (and their immediate descendants) in lieu of blocking their arrival altogether.

    *Calfiornia went Democrat due to the end of the Cold War, and the very asset and market bubbles that the Reaganite GOP loudly cheered on. The state increasingly lost middle class people (who could no longer afford a decent neighborhood that wasn’t in the middle of nowhere) and attracted desperate strivers instead. Texas by comparison did not lose the oil industry in circa 1990, and Texas still has lots of easy to develop land.

  93. Feryl says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    What’s intriguing to me is that we could see at least 5 different factions in Europe/the Anglosphere:

    1)The US and Canada, and maybe Australia/New Zealand, remaining stubbornly pro-Neo liberal and Neo-con.

    2)Britain becoming awkwardly “caught” between the rest of the Anglosphere and Western Europe.

    3) The non-Anglo Western European countries GTOW with a Christian/Muslim alliance against the Israel lobby.

    4) The Visegrad countries being against Jewish and Muslim subversion; unlike the “true” Western European countries, the Visegrad countries have never really bought into (((globalism))).

    5) Russia and China patiently waiting for the first 4 groups to mutually sabotage the West’s chances via complacency and tension over what defines the West’s current and future ethnic ID and cultural outlook.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  94. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Feryl

    1)The US and Canada, and maybe Australia/New Zealand, remaining stubbornly pro-Neo liberal and Neo-con.

    I still have hopes that Australia will steadily drift into China’s orbit. No-one cares what happens to New Zealand.

    2)Britain becoming awkwardly “caught” between the rest of the Anglosphere and Western Europe.

    If Brexit goes ahead Britain will be solidly in the neocon neoliberal camp. Britain’s only hope is, ironically, that Brexit will be avoided.

    4) The Visegrad countries being against Jewish and Muslim subversion; unlike the “true” Western European countries, the Visegrad countries have never really bought into (((globalism))).

    The Visegrad countries are a joke. They will be forced to toe the globalist line. They are much too weak to offer any long-term resistance. And they are too stupid (or too stubborn if you want to be charitable) to see that in the long run the US and EU are much greater threats to them than Russia.

    Eastern Europe has no future.

  95. Feryl says: • Website
    @Audacious Epigone

    Let’s say he really didn’t want to win, he just wanted more self-promotion because his billions, massive celebrity, and youngish Slav wife wasn’t enough for a guy in his golden years. Okay, then turn operations over to your establishment supporters and spend your time doing more self-promotion. There weren’t a lot of establishment supporters, obviously, but there were some. Why weren’t they utilized?

    Hmmm. Trump was hated by 98% of the conservative foreign policy and economic policy establishment; his views were much closer to the Democrats of the 1930’s-1980’s then they were to the Republicans of the last 40 years. You’re not going to get much headway with that much conflict. Again, it’s very similar to the trap Carter fell into in the late 70’s; 98% of Democrats wanted nothing to do with the economic de-regulation that Carter tentatively was dipping into at the time. The Democrats were resistant to Reaganism until the 1990’s, at which point they felt humiliated by the routing of Mondale and Dukakis and opted to run a me-too Republican (Bill Clinton)….Who promptly won two terms and further marginalized the remaining New Dealers. The Democrats lost the 1968, 1972, 1980, and 1984, and 1988 elections….That’s 5 losses in 6 elections, which happened due to New Left over-reach and fatigue regarding the New Deal. The GOP is going to have to crash and burn equally hard for them to get over Reaganism, which is threatening to give way to Civil War between a fascist Junta on the Right (commanded by Boomers and early X-ers, with a fair number of late X-ers and Millennials hopping on board) and an SJW globalist commie Left. Four decades of utter bumbling by “conservatives” has shredded America apart, and who is going to pick up the pieces?

    That Trump has mostly been caught off-guard by the level of resistance suggests that he’s either very naive, or he just never put much thought into how any of this would work. There’s definitely evidence that Trump is way out of his depth when comes to understanding how to maneuver in the political realm; look at the book Fire and Fury, which was based on intel from a variety of sources, including Rupert Murdoch who’s quoted as saying “what a fucking idiot” based on his frustration with Trump and his admin. “They” just don’t think that Trump is all that serious, or thorough, or patient enough, to fully go through his options and do what’s best for his admin. and the country. He’s like a quarterback who seizes on his first read, and doesn’t see how the other receivers are doing as the play develops.

    Granted, Trump has instinctively shouted down, and eventually gotten rid of, a lot of the idiot warmongering neo-conservatives (because since LBJ, the best way to destroy your presidency is to escalate a large scale and protracted war). That’s great and all, but he still doesn’t have the tools to fully reshape our foreign policy. And that may be beyond anyone’s grasp at this point, anyway. After all, the Pentagon keeps shoving neo-cons in our face, while the establishment media is crawling with neo-cons too.

  96. Feryl says: • Website
    @dfordoom

    It doesn’t matter what the supporters want. It’s not like we’re talking about a democracy. What matters is what the money men want. The money men want open borders (and that means the Republican-supporting money men and the Democrat-supporting money men). And the money men always get what they want.

    The Silent and Boomer dumbasses who keep voting GOP in one election after another, no matter how lame-brained and suicidal the GOP’s actual (and in some cases, openly stated) agenda is, don’t seem to get this. It’s always “the Left’s fault” that PC speech codes exist, that the borders are wide open, that whites can’t explicitly acknowledge their ethnic interests, that sexual deviants are celebrated, and so forth. It’s like this partisan voters have political equivalent of battered wife syndrome; it doesn’t matter how often the GOP accepts tons of dough and pats on the back from corrupt elites, and craps all over their voters, the voters can’t envision life without the GOP.

    The GOP doesn’t regulate the borders, doesn’t regulate social and moral norms, doesn’t protect the 1st amendment, doesn’t safe-guard vital resources, doesn’t regulate the market, and yet…….People still vote for them (as well as the Democrats who are sad me-too Republicans). I mean, there’s more than a few voters who actually want this chaos. Certainly, the “conservatives” who complained that America was “ruined” in the New Deal era deserve the piece of shit government, society, and culture they’ve voted for time and time again. You can’t claim that the government has no business regulating the financial markets, and expect the borders to be magically regulated. Or obscenity to be regulated. Or expect resources to be managed responsibly. Or expect marriages to be overwhelmingly between men and women of the same ethnic background. Actual governance by responsible adults, and some sort of protection of tradition, is what we had in the New Deal era, but Silents and Boomers threw it all away so that they could accumulate more valuable “assets”. They could prove me wrong by shutting up for once about how the Democrats are ruining America (do they ever hold the GOP responsible for anything?)…Nah, that’ll never happen.

  97. @gman

    I’m not (beyond the betting markets).

  98. @dfordoom

    So that instead of big business buying politicians we give all the effective influence to the corporate media? We have a system like that directly to our north. I think it’s even worse than what we have here.

  99. @dfordoom

    You can be sure that all the GOPe donors are very well aware of what is going on. Virtually every Conservative, Inc marionette is involved in a coordinated attack on Fuentes. They wouldn’t do it if they weren’t concerned.

  100. Corvinus says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    “Fight to broaden the perspectives of said normies.”

    Normies have broad perspectives. It’s in our nature.

    “Polls show around 30% of people open to the idea of dissolution now.”

    What polls? Regardless, get back to me when 30% of the GENERAL AMERICAN POPULATION–about 90 million people–are on board with dissolution.

    “Our job is to push that number towards the 52% that won the Brexit vote.”

    Again, what polls? To me, you will need HALF of the ENTIRE U.S. citizenry to get on board. Better get out that soapbox…

  101. iffen says:
    @Audacious Epigone

    The Groypers are the beginning of a sustained rebellion

    They will crash and burn if they don’t separate themselves from most VDare types.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  102. @iffen

    They are winning BECAUSE they are taking points from the VDARE types.  If you want to work in STEM, the Indians and Chinese coming in on student and H-1B visas are your biggest threat.

    If “AMERICANS first!” is anathema to you, go find another country.

    • Replies: @iffen
  103. iffen says:
    @Mr. Rational

    You apparently have strong stem aptitudes and you certainly need it because without a doubt you completely fail at verbal scores. Find one comment out of my 9,000 where I don’t put America and Americans first. And another thing, don’t you f****** tell me to find another country. If you don’t care to share it with me, then, by God, you can be the one to take a hike.

    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
  104. @iffen

    Find one comment out of my 9,000 where I don’t put America and Americans first.

    Right there, where you told them to abandon the winning rhetoric which is humiliating Cuckservative Inc. mouthpieces in front of audiences around the country.

    You told them not to stand up for themselves against gimmegrants, which is what VDARE is about.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  105. RSDB says:
    @Twinkie

    A peaceful separation, though, is about as likely as a peaceful separation of the kulaks from the early USSR.

  106. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Mr. Rational

    Right there, where you told them to abandon the winning rhetoric which is humiliating Cuckservative Inc. mouthpieces in front of audiences around the country.

    Outside of alt-right echo chambers such as this, out there in the real world, how many people have the slightest idea who these Groypers are? Winning applause from the tiny world of the alt-right does not translate into winning in the real world.

    The wishful thinking is getting stronger and stronger around these parts.

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