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COTW from an anon in response to polling data revealing the Republican electorate to be considerably more skeptical of free trade than Democrat voters:

This result doesn’t surprise me in the least. It was obvious to anyone who took a look at the rhetoric being posted on Reddit politics and the late night “comedy” programs since 2016 — endless mocking of Trump for his trade tariffs along with attacking blue collar workers concerned about their “jerbs”, as was often mockingly stated. Ever since, I’ve been a big fan of AI and automation. Take from them as they have taken from others and watch them squirm in the aftermath. Imagine a future when computers diagnose patients, replace actors in movies, replace most government workers, and debate court cases with attorney’s there only as observers. It’s a future that can’t come soon enough.

*Check out The Daily Beast’s response to Tucker Carlson’s criticism of vulture capitalist Paul Singer. They tried deflecting by digging up irrelevant nonsense about his paper seeking start-up funding from some guy associated with Singer many years before. The American Conservative has a good take on it. Tellingly, these types at the Daily Beast, supposedly liberal, attack rather than support the positions you’d think they would based on the stereotype of the democrats being the party of the working class. And they aren’t alone. Notice how the left-wing media have incessantly attacked both Tulsi Gabbard and Bernie Sanders. Both candidates are progressives but yet they also draw the ire of the 10% wannabes and the billionaires who fund and run outfits like The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, the New Yorker, Salon, The Atlantic, etc. Why? Because the system (military industrial complex and market capitalism) and the democrats are now synonymous with each other.

These Daily Beast types have vested interests in perpetuating that system which directly benefits their job security and their wider economic class. Many aspire to future government jobs with the democrats or billionaire-funded vanity projects, so it’s not surprising they’d deflect from a possible source of future funding like Paul Singer. The Left was never economically progressive — not since the 1980s — even if they are willing to throw crumbs from the table from time to time in order to placate the plebs (notice how they also mysteriously oppose Andrew Yang’s progressive UBI … not so mysterious when you consider it might cause taxes on the rich to go up and politically empower the poor). It’s just more obvious now that their feet have been put to the fire by Trump’s actions, which the Left never really thought they’d be called out on before the 2016 election. They thought they could continue speaking out of both sides of their mouths forever, which is the real reason why they hate the guy. He exposed them, even if he’s a sell-out himself.

Tulsi Gabbard is a progressive leftist down the line. Her foreign policy is ostensibly to the left of the rest of the Democrat field, but trying to ground American foreign policy on a two-dimensional left-right spectrum has become tricky since president Trump’s election. It, too, has largely become a matter of Who? Whom? The contemporary mainstream Democrat position is that there is no conflict worth avoiding, no price too high to pay, if it involves antagonizing Russia. The exceptions, like Jimmy Dore, are just that–exceptions.

 
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  1. Wow. If only there was some ideology that combined nationalism, traditionalism, blood and soil, technology, and socialism.

    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.

    • Replies: @SFG
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Christian Democracy? ;)

    Socially conservative, economically liberal, and didn't start the largest war in history.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    , @Rosie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.
     
    Of course, the appeal of the ideology that dare not speak its name is precisely the reason it cannot be allowed any voice. In a free and open debate, it will win every time.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

  2. Tulsi Gabbard (like Bernie) has a pretty strong record opposing TPP

    In particular, Tulsi is concerned that TPP undermines U.S. sovereignty

    in 2019:

    in 2016, statement against tpp
    https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-itc-s-report-confirms-tpp-bad-deal-american-people

  3. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Wow. If only there was some ideology that combined nationalism, traditionalism, blood and soil, technology, and socialism.

    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.

    Replies: @SFG, @Rosie

    Christian Democracy? 😉

    Socially conservative, economically liberal, and didn’t start the largest war in history.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @SFG

    Oh, for crying out loud!

    You do not have to be a Nazi to believe the truth. I used to believe as you do, but I read enough history to understand that that war had many fathers, and the British and Roosevelt were more responsible for it than anyone. These are just a starting point of books on the subject:

    Pat Buchanan - 'Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World'

    Charles Beard - 'American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940, President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War'

    Charles Beard - 'President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941'

    Bruce M. Russett - 'No Clear And Present Danger: A Skeptical View Of The United States Entry Into World War II'

    Thomas Fleming - 'The New Dealers War'

    Gerd Schultzee-Rhonhof - '1939 - The War That Had Many Fathers'

    Charles C. Tansill - 'Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy 1933-1941'

    John T. Flynn - 'The Roosevelt Myth'

    David Irving - 'Churchill's War'

    None of these people are remotely "Nazi." Only Irving got close, and not even that close. By contrast, Thomas Fleming, for example, was published by many libertarian sites; John T. Flynn was once a liberal Democrat of all things. Charles Beard was once considered America's most significant living historian. And Pat Buchanan, for one, is almost the ideal Christian American democratic political leader. These are men who dealt with the facts, and the fact is that FDR was the most vile and monstrous war-mongering traitor ever to hold office in America.

    Replies: @Tusk, @Dark

  4. “daily beast” might be the most idiotic name for a newspaper, ever. Just attack them as satanists and ignore any counter-argument, with a name like that, opinions are not even allowed

    • Replies: @David
    @Svevlad

    The Daily Beast is the establishment newspaper in Scoop. Its reporters write their copy without gathering any facts, just set pieces of boilerplate: "the tapping of my typewriter keys is being answered by the rattle of machine gun fire in the street below."

    It seems like an apt if inadvertent namesake of its present incarnation.

  5. Forget about left and right. Forget about hawks and doves. Forget about Conservatives and Liberals.

    The working class needs work and wages. NOT war and welfare.

    The war mongers are the enemies of peace. The free traders are the enemies of prosperity. Endless war and open borders constitute all out war against the working class. It’s Capital vs Labor. Same as it has always been since the industrial revolution.

    If you like your Capitalism you can keep your Capitalism. But only if you share the loot with the workers. Otherwise you get Socialism.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    @WorkingClass

    What the working class needs is universal basic income. AI will soon have all the jobs. It can already do nearly all jobs as well as humans. In a few short years it will be doing all jobs ten times better than humans.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @PSBindy

  6. Tulsi is a suicide bomber, blowing up Kamala’s campaign and eviscerating Pantsuit Grandma. She’s fantastic.

  7. “Wow. If only there was some ideology that combined nationalism, traditionalism, blood and soil, technology, and socialism.”

    Unfortunately, no such ideology exists or if it does, people find it un workable to consistently abide by.

    ————————————————————

    As for Candidate Willams, if she isn’t referencing the WTO and the UN as foundational her depth on the issue is mighty slim, not to mention UNCLOS and impact on economic development.

  8. Tulsi Gabbard is a progressive leftist down the line. Her foreign policy is ostensibly to the left of the rest of the Democrat field, but trying to ground American foreign policy on a two-dimensional left-right spectrum has become tricky since president Trump’s election. It, too, has largely become a matter of Who? Whom?

    The contemporary mainstream Democrat position is that there is no conflict worth avoiding, no price too high to pay, if it involves antagonizing Russia. The exceptions, like Jimmy Dore, are just that–exceptions.

    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY to defeat that interloper baby boomer dope named Hillary Clinton. I call Hillary Clinton an interloper because, like Trumpy, she has no colonial American blood ancestry. That baby boomer bastard Hillary Clinton is sitting in her heavily fortified compound in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, slugging down wine like you ain’t ever seen before.

    The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.

    The German Americans in the Great Lakes states are highly skeptical of the overseas military doings of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the Krauts on the lakes don’t much care for globalizer financializer free trade that de-industrializes the USA.

    Many WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN loved it when Trumpy bashed the Hell out of Jebby Bush over the Iraq War debacle and they knew that baby boomer globalizer harpy Hillary Clinton voted to give George W Bush the authority to launch the Iraq War debacle. These beautiful Kraut Ladies of the Lakes didn’t want to see their husbands or sons or uncles or fathers get killed fighting wars on behalf of Israel.

    Gabbard is a peace loving Kraut at heart like a lot of German Americans from the Great Lakes states and she is built like a beautiful German tank.

    GERMAN BABE GABBARD called Hillary Clinton a warmonger.

    I say Hillary Clinton is a DRUNK BABY BOOMER SKUNK WARMONGER!

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire uses Russia as a prop to claim some nationalistic feeling towards the USA when they are really GLOBALIZER BASTARDS all the way.

    The Russia stuff is globaloney fake phony fraud nonsense from the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @Charles Pewitt


    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY
     
    Even better, her Hindu religion means she can even use the Swastika with impunity! That way, she can rally all other 'Germans' to the Fourth Reich with subliminal communication that won't be seen for what its true intention is. Diabolically brilliant!

    /sarc

    It is funny how your 'German Beast Babe' is 3/8ths non-white, did not reproduce, and looked like this before she had a budget for elaborate makeup and hairdressing.

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_full/public/images/blades/gallery/2019-01/Tulsi-Gabbard-as-waterwoman.jpg?itok=bkJsY5mI

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Mike Tre
    @Charles Pewitt

    "German babe" Gabbard has more in common with Angela Merkel as she is a childless, unfettered immigration fetishist.

    It's funny to read your rants about politicians who you feel "hate white working core America" or whatever, but I guess all it takes is a soft 7 for you to abandon that belief.

    "Masturbatory value" isn't really a sound line item when pushing a particular candidate. I may be wrong.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

  9. I read stuff at ZH about automation where the writers can barley conceal their glee at the prospect of obsolescence for the working class. They need to meditate on a world without pay checks. Bezos will have a monopoly on retail in a country where nobody can buy anything. How will the delivery drone find me when my address is THE STREET.

  10. @SFG
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Christian Democracy? ;)

    Socially conservative, economically liberal, and didn't start the largest war in history.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Oh, for crying out loud!

    You do not have to be a Nazi to believe the truth. I used to believe as you do, but I read enough history to understand that that war had many fathers, and the British and Roosevelt were more responsible for it than anyone. These are just a starting point of books on the subject:

    Pat Buchanan – ‘Churchill, Hitler, and “The Unnecessary War”: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World’

    Charles Beard – ‘American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940, President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War’

    Charles Beard – ‘President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941’

    Bruce M. Russett – ‘No Clear And Present Danger: A Skeptical View Of The United States Entry Into World War II’

    Thomas Fleming – ‘The New Dealers War’

    Gerd Schultzee-Rhonhof – ‘1939 – The War That Had Many Fathers’

    Charles C. Tansill – ‘Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy 1933-1941’

    John T. Flynn – ‘The Roosevelt Myth’

    David Irving – ‘Churchill’s War’

    None of these people are remotely “Nazi.” Only Irving got close, and not even that close. By contrast, Thomas Fleming, for example, was published by many libertarian sites; John T. Flynn was once a liberal Democrat of all things. Charles Beard was once considered America’s most significant living historian. And Pat Buchanan, for one, is almost the ideal Christian American democratic political leader. These are men who dealt with the facts, and the fact is that FDR was the most vile and monstrous war-mongering traitor ever to hold office in America.

    • Agree: Ash Williams
    • Replies: @Tusk
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I would add both Germany's War by John Wear, as it discusses aggressions against Germany and FDR's manipulation to join the war, and The Myth of a Guilty Nation by Albert Nock, which demonstrates post-WW1 Germany as being unfairly treated, ergo Hitler 1933-1939 was legitimate in trying to remedy their situation.

    Replies: @Dark

    , @Dark
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Thanks for the topical book list.

  11. @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    Wow. If only there was some ideology that combined nationalism, traditionalism, blood and soil, technology, and socialism.

    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.

    Replies: @SFG, @Rosie

    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.

    Of course, the appeal of the ideology that dare not speak its name is precisely the reason it cannot be allowed any voice. In a free and open debate, it will win every time.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie


    In a free and open debate, it will win every time.
     
    Historically, fascism took over like most other ideologies and political movements do: by highly motivated and organized minorities via indirect and underhanded means.

    It didn't win in free and open debate, and it didn't win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.

    Replies: @Rosie

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Rosie

    In China it is winning--and no debate about it is allowed!

    Replies: @Rosie

  12. @Charles Pewitt

    Tulsi Gabbard is a progressive leftist down the line. Her foreign policy is ostensibly to the left of the rest of the Democrat field, but trying to ground American foreign policy on a two-dimensional left-right spectrum has become tricky since president Trump’s election. It, too, has largely become a matter of Who? Whom?

     


    The contemporary mainstream Democrat position is that there is no conflict worth avoiding, no price too high to pay, if it involves antagonizing Russia. The exceptions, like Jimmy Dore, are just that–exceptions.

     

    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY to defeat that interloper baby boomer dope named Hillary Clinton. I call Hillary Clinton an interloper because, like Trumpy, she has no colonial American blood ancestry. That baby boomer bastard Hillary Clinton is sitting in her heavily fortified compound in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, slugging down wine like you ain't ever seen before.

    The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.

    The German Americans in the Great Lakes states are highly skeptical of the overseas military doings of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the Krauts on the lakes don't much care for globalizer financializer free trade that de-industrializes the USA.

    Many WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN loved it when Trumpy bashed the Hell out of Jebby Bush over the Iraq War debacle and they knew that baby boomer globalizer harpy Hillary Clinton voted to give George W Bush the authority to launch the Iraq War debacle. These beautiful Kraut Ladies of the Lakes didn't want to see their husbands or sons or uncles or fathers get killed fighting wars on behalf of Israel.

    Gabbard is a peace loving Kraut at heart like a lot of German Americans from the Great Lakes states and she is built like a beautiful German tank.

    GERMAN BABE GABBARD called Hillary Clinton a warmonger.

    I say Hillary Clinton is a DRUNK BABY BOOMER SKUNK WARMONGER!

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire uses Russia as a prop to claim some nationalistic feeling towards the USA when they are really GLOBALIZER BASTARDS all the way.

    The Russia stuff is globaloney fake phony fraud nonsense from the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Mike Tre

    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY

    Even better, her Hindu religion means she can even use the Swastika with impunity! That way, she can rally all other ‘Germans’ to the Fourth Reich with subliminal communication that won’t be seen for what its true intention is. Diabolically brilliant!

    /sarc

    It is funny how your ‘German Beast Babe’ is 3/8ths non-white, did not reproduce, and looked like this before she had a budget for elaborate makeup and hairdressing.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Thomm

    Elbows too pointy.

  13. OT-FYI-FWIW

    The Patron Saint of the Immaculate Free Speech Convent, Saint Ron, censors comments and you do not know about it unless it is your comment. I was dubious about his intellectual integrity from my first days at TUR. Give him credit, it took me 5 years to prove it and only because he screwed up with this pay to comment scam.

    Carry on.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @Thomm
    @iffen

    Consider what the purpose of this website truly is :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    It only took you 5 years to figure it out.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Dissident
    @iffen

    I should probably clarify, lest my "Agree" with this comment of iffen's be misconstrued as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case. While I find what you report plausible and have no reason to question your credibility, I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    That said, there are a number of germane and salient facts that I could cite that are, to at least a large degree, what formed the basis for my "Agree" with this comment of iffen's. Perhaps I will yet attempt to elaborate in a more appropriate place.

    Replies: @iffen

  14. The main impetus for founding the Democratic Party was to support free trade. Since the party was founded, it has been more pro-Free Trade than its main competitor a vast majority of the time.

  15. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.
     
    Of course, the appeal of the ideology that dare not speak its name is precisely the reason it cannot be allowed any voice. In a free and open debate, it will win every time.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    In a free and open debate, it will win every time.

    Historically, fascism took over like most other ideologies and political movements do: by highly motivated and organized minorities via indirect and underhanded means.

    It didn’t win in free and open debate, and it didn’t win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.

    • Agree: Mark G.
    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    It didn’t win in free and open debate, and it didn’t win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.
     
    You confuse reason and debate with power and politics. Yes, I understand that plutocrats can frustrate the will of the people and have been doing so for decades. That doesn't change the fact that the public will choose NS if given the chance.

    Replies: @anon

  16. @iffen
    OT-FYI-FWIW

    The Patron Saint of the Immaculate Free Speech Convent, Saint Ron, censors comments and you do not know about it unless it is your comment. I was dubious about his intellectual integrity from my first days at TUR. Give him credit, it took me 5 years to prove it and only because he screwed up with this pay to comment scam.

    Carry on.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Dissident

    Consider what the purpose of this website truly is :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    It only took you 5 years to figure it out.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Thomm

    I am dubious of your take.

    Anyway, it took me 5 years to nail him, but it only took me a couple of weeks to nail you as an immigrant. :)

    Replies: @Thomm

  17. @Thomm
    @iffen

    Consider what the purpose of this website truly is :

    https://www.unz.com/anepigone/there-be-reelection/#comment-3339592

    It only took you 5 years to figure it out.

    Replies: @iffen

    I am dubious of your take.

    Anyway, it took me 5 years to nail him, but it only took me a couple of weeks to nail you as an immigrant. 🙂

    • Replies: @Thomm
    @iffen

    False on the second front :). My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that, as many others here have certified. Even you have been caught zealously and gluttonously enjoying the various songs I have written about you and your ilk.

    Anyway, your IQ is 70 as we have established in the past, so thinking that I am a foreigner is consistent with taking 5 years to figure out what is obvious to normal people. If you took off your gimp suit and went outside once in a while, you might actually begin to approach a clue.

    Heh heh heh heh

    Replies: @iffen

  18. @iffen
    @Thomm

    I am dubious of your take.

    Anyway, it took me 5 years to nail him, but it only took me a couple of weeks to nail you as an immigrant. :)

    Replies: @Thomm

    False on the second front :). My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that, as many others here have certified. Even you have been caught zealously and gluttonously enjoying the various songs I have written about you and your ilk.

    Anyway, your IQ is 70 as we have established in the past, so thinking that I am a foreigner is consistent with taking 5 years to figure out what is obvious to normal people. If you took off your gimp suit and went outside once in a while, you might actually begin to approach a clue.

    Heh heh heh heh

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Thomm

    My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that

    It is a well known fact that 3rd worlders slurp lowbrow American trash culture like pigs in slop which is an adequate description of both sides. It is good for you that you made it to Heaven on Earth and are no longer sucking hind teat, but can belly up to the trough for "1st helpings."

    Now stop shitting on my lawn, faggot!

    Replies: @Thomm

  19. @Thomm
    @iffen

    False on the second front :). My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that, as many others here have certified. Even you have been caught zealously and gluttonously enjoying the various songs I have written about you and your ilk.

    Anyway, your IQ is 70 as we have established in the past, so thinking that I am a foreigner is consistent with taking 5 years to figure out what is obvious to normal people. If you took off your gimp suit and went outside once in a while, you might actually begin to approach a clue.

    Heh heh heh heh

    Replies: @iffen

    My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that

    It is a well known fact that 3rd worlders slurp lowbrow American trash culture like pigs in slop which is an adequate description of both sides. It is good for you that you made it to Heaven on Earth and are no longer sucking hind teat, but can belly up to the trough for “1st helpings.”

    Now stop shitting on my lawn, faggot!

    • LOL: Rosie
    • Replies: @Thomm
    @iffen

    LOL...

    You can't even come up with anything on your own, merely copying my usual closing quip where I dispatch you with ease and you go off to sulk for months at a time. Of course, when YOU utter it, it is projection, since you are merely parroting my accurate characterization of you.

    Now, get off MY lawn, faggot*! You are getting in the way of your betters.

    Heh heh heh heh

    *Remember, you actually ARE one, by your own admission.

  20. @anon
    @Rosie


    In a free and open debate, it will win every time.
     
    Historically, fascism took over like most other ideologies and political movements do: by highly motivated and organized minorities via indirect and underhanded means.

    It didn't win in free and open debate, and it didn't win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.

    Replies: @Rosie

    It didn’t win in free and open debate, and it didn’t win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.

    You confuse reason and debate with power and politics. Yes, I understand that plutocrats can frustrate the will of the people and have been doing so for decades. That doesn’t change the fact that the public will choose NS if given the chance.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie

    National socialism did not win in free and open debate. One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn't know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.

    Replies: @Rosie

  21. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @SFG

    Oh, for crying out loud!

    You do not have to be a Nazi to believe the truth. I used to believe as you do, but I read enough history to understand that that war had many fathers, and the British and Roosevelt were more responsible for it than anyone. These are just a starting point of books on the subject:

    Pat Buchanan - 'Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World'

    Charles Beard - 'American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940, President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War'

    Charles Beard - 'President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941'

    Bruce M. Russett - 'No Clear And Present Danger: A Skeptical View Of The United States Entry Into World War II'

    Thomas Fleming - 'The New Dealers War'

    Gerd Schultzee-Rhonhof - '1939 - The War That Had Many Fathers'

    Charles C. Tansill - 'Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy 1933-1941'

    John T. Flynn - 'The Roosevelt Myth'

    David Irving - 'Churchill's War'

    None of these people are remotely "Nazi." Only Irving got close, and not even that close. By contrast, Thomas Fleming, for example, was published by many libertarian sites; John T. Flynn was once a liberal Democrat of all things. Charles Beard was once considered America's most significant living historian. And Pat Buchanan, for one, is almost the ideal Christian American democratic political leader. These are men who dealt with the facts, and the fact is that FDR was the most vile and monstrous war-mongering traitor ever to hold office in America.

    Replies: @Tusk, @Dark

    I would add both Germany’s War by John Wear, as it discusses aggressions against Germany and FDR’s manipulation to join the war, and The Myth of a Guilty Nation by Albert Nock, which demonstrates post-WW1 Germany as being unfairly treated, ergo Hitler 1933-1939 was legitimate in trying to remedy their situation.

    • Replies: @Dark
    @Tusk

    Thank you too.

  22. @John Burns

    “The Collapse of British Power” by Corelli Barnett is one of the best books I’ve ever read on the circumstances leading up to WW2. The TLDR is that the Brits were rabidly ideologically leftist fools – direct parallels of the worst woke-Progressivism circulating today – and blundered straight into it, completely blindly, and made it far worse than it needed to be.

    It gets to the point that when Barnett recounts the final declaration of war over Poland and Hitler’s utter amazement and disbelief that, of all things, THIS should be the particular point on which the Brits would choose to make trouble, you totally sympathize with Mr. Adolf.

  23. @WorkingClass
    Forget about left and right. Forget about hawks and doves. Forget about Conservatives and Liberals.

    The working class needs work and wages. NOT war and welfare.

    The war mongers are the enemies of peace. The free traders are the enemies of prosperity. Endless war and open borders constitute all out war against the working class. It's Capital vs Labor. Same as it has always been since the industrial revolution.

    If you like your Capitalism you can keep your Capitalism. But only if you share the loot with the workers. Otherwise you get Socialism.

    Replies: @davidgmillsatty

    What the working class needs is universal basic income. AI will soon have all the jobs. It can already do nearly all jobs as well as humans. In a few short years it will be doing all jobs ten times better than humans.

    • Replies: @Mike Tre
    @davidgmillsatty

    Not a chance. The things I do at work, on a job site, the decisions and observations I have to make, will not be able to replicated by AI with the lifetimes of my grandchildren, and it will be even longer before it can be done at less of a cost.

    , @PSBindy
    @davidgmillsatty

    Universal Basic Income is a lullabye to the masses ignorant enough to believe the Super Elite will pay money to have billions of us clog up "their world" as we lay about.

  24. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Tulsi Gabbard is a progressive leftist down the line. Her foreign policy is ostensibly to the left of the rest of the Democrat field, but trying to ground American foreign policy on a two-dimensional left-right spectrum has become tricky since president Trump’s election. It, too, has largely become a matter of Who? Whom?

     


    The contemporary mainstream Democrat position is that there is no conflict worth avoiding, no price too high to pay, if it involves antagonizing Russia. The exceptions, like Jimmy Dore, are just that–exceptions.

     

    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY to defeat that interloper baby boomer dope named Hillary Clinton. I call Hillary Clinton an interloper because, like Trumpy, she has no colonial American blood ancestry. That baby boomer bastard Hillary Clinton is sitting in her heavily fortified compound in the mostly White town of Chappaqua, New York, slugging down wine like you ain't ever seen before.

    The GERMAN STRATEGY is to win the votes of German Americans in the Great Lakes states in combination with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Southern states. Trumpy put the cherry on top of the GERMAN STRATEGY by winning Florida with the votes of Anglo-Celts in the Northern portion of Florida in combination with the votes of the snowbirds from the Great Lakes states and the Northeast.

    The German Americans in the Great Lakes states are highly skeptical of the overseas military doings of the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire and the Krauts on the lakes don't much care for globalizer financializer free trade that de-industrializes the USA.

    Many WHITE GERMAN AMERICAN WOMEN loved it when Trumpy bashed the Hell out of Jebby Bush over the Iraq War debacle and they knew that baby boomer globalizer harpy Hillary Clinton voted to give George W Bush the authority to launch the Iraq War debacle. These beautiful Kraut Ladies of the Lakes didn't want to see their husbands or sons or uncles or fathers get killed fighting wars on behalf of Israel.

    Gabbard is a peace loving Kraut at heart like a lot of German Americans from the Great Lakes states and she is built like a beautiful German tank.

    GERMAN BABE GABBARD called Hillary Clinton a warmonger.

    I say Hillary Clinton is a DRUNK BABY BOOMER SKUNK WARMONGER!

    The JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire uses Russia as a prop to claim some nationalistic feeling towards the USA when they are really GLOBALIZER BASTARDS all the way.

    The Russia stuff is globaloney fake phony fraud nonsense from the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Mike Tre

    “German babe” Gabbard has more in common with Angela Merkel as she is a childless, unfettered immigration fetishist.

    It’s funny to read your rants about politicians who you feel “hate white working core America” or whatever, but I guess all it takes is a soft 7 for you to abandon that belief.

    “Masturbatory value” isn’t really a sound line item when pushing a particular candidate. I may be wrong.

    • Agree: Dissident
    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
    @Mike Tre

    Childless, half brown, Hindu... Based Tulsi is here to save White Core America! The new Germans are known to be brown and Hindu.

  25. anon[153] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @anon


    It didn’t win in free and open debate, and it didn’t win in the more important dimension of the real world of geopolitics. It was unable to generate enough wealth hence power as liberal capitalism, and too militant and particularistic to create enough allies.
     
    You confuse reason and debate with power and politics. Yes, I understand that plutocrats can frustrate the will of the people and have been doing so for decades. That doesn't change the fact that the public will choose NS if given the chance.

    Replies: @anon

    National socialism did not win in free and open debate. One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn’t know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn’t know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.
     
    Nonsense. The national socialist objection to democracy is not the it gives too much power to the people, but that it is too easily subverted by special interests. A strong executive power keeps those interests in check. Of course, you do also need a strong military if you hope to run your country for the good of your own people, because foreign powers may have other ideas.

    Replies: @anon

  26. Mike Tre [AKA "MikeatMikedotMike"] says:
    @davidgmillsatty
    @WorkingClass

    What the working class needs is universal basic income. AI will soon have all the jobs. It can already do nearly all jobs as well as humans. In a few short years it will be doing all jobs ten times better than humans.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @PSBindy

    Not a chance. The things I do at work, on a job site, the decisions and observations I have to make, will not be able to replicated by AI with the lifetimes of my grandchildren, and it will be even longer before it can be done at less of a cost.

  27. @iffen
    @Thomm

    My extraordinary knowledge of American pop culture precludes that

    It is a well known fact that 3rd worlders slurp lowbrow American trash culture like pigs in slop which is an adequate description of both sides. It is good for you that you made it to Heaven on Earth and are no longer sucking hind teat, but can belly up to the trough for "1st helpings."

    Now stop shitting on my lawn, faggot!

    Replies: @Thomm

    LOL…

    You can’t even come up with anything on your own, merely copying my usual closing quip where I dispatch you with ease and you go off to sulk for months at a time. Of course, when YOU utter it, it is projection, since you are merely parroting my accurate characterization of you.

    Now, get off MY lawn, faggot*! You are getting in the way of your betters.

    Heh heh heh heh

    *Remember, you actually ARE one, by your own admission.

  28. Both national parties are War/Corporate parties.
    They select both the winner and the loser in every Presidential election.

    USA is a product that is mislabeled, that makes false claims, listing ingredients that sound good for you, but in reality cause cancer, poisoning, etc., and leaves a enduring toxic residue.

    Sold as a Constitutional Republic of united States, in reality, a top down fascist state that benefits only the elite ultra wealthy families.

  29. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @SFG

    Oh, for crying out loud!

    You do not have to be a Nazi to believe the truth. I used to believe as you do, but I read enough history to understand that that war had many fathers, and the British and Roosevelt were more responsible for it than anyone. These are just a starting point of books on the subject:

    Pat Buchanan - 'Churchill, Hitler, and "The Unnecessary War": How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World'

    Charles Beard - 'American Foreign Policy in the Making, 1932-1940, President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War'

    Charles Beard - 'President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War, 1941'

    Bruce M. Russett - 'No Clear And Present Danger: A Skeptical View Of The United States Entry Into World War II'

    Thomas Fleming - 'The New Dealers War'

    Gerd Schultzee-Rhonhof - '1939 - The War That Had Many Fathers'

    Charles C. Tansill - 'Back Door to War: The Roosevelt Foreign Policy 1933-1941'

    John T. Flynn - 'The Roosevelt Myth'

    David Irving - 'Churchill's War'

    None of these people are remotely "Nazi." Only Irving got close, and not even that close. By contrast, Thomas Fleming, for example, was published by many libertarian sites; John T. Flynn was once a liberal Democrat of all things. Charles Beard was once considered America's most significant living historian. And Pat Buchanan, for one, is almost the ideal Christian American democratic political leader. These are men who dealt with the facts, and the fact is that FDR was the most vile and monstrous war-mongering traitor ever to hold office in America.

    Replies: @Tusk, @Dark

    Thanks for the topical book list.

  30. @Tusk
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I would add both Germany's War by John Wear, as it discusses aggressions against Germany and FDR's manipulation to join the war, and The Myth of a Guilty Nation by Albert Nock, which demonstrates post-WW1 Germany as being unfairly treated, ergo Hitler 1933-1939 was legitimate in trying to remedy their situation.

    Replies: @Dark

    Thank you too.

  31. @Thomm
    @Charles Pewitt


    Tulsi Gabbard is GERMAN BEAST BABE on both sides the blood lines and Trump used the GERMAN STRATEGY
     
    Even better, her Hindu religion means she can even use the Swastika with impunity! That way, she can rally all other 'Germans' to the Fourth Reich with subliminal communication that won't be seen for what its true intention is. Diabolically brilliant!

    /sarc

    It is funny how your 'German Beast Babe' is 3/8ths non-white, did not reproduce, and looked like this before she had a budget for elaborate makeup and hairdressing.

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_full/public/images/blades/gallery/2019-01/Tulsi-Gabbard-as-waterwoman.jpg?itok=bkJsY5mI

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Elbows too pointy.

  32. @iffen
    OT-FYI-FWIW

    The Patron Saint of the Immaculate Free Speech Convent, Saint Ron, censors comments and you do not know about it unless it is your comment. I was dubious about his intellectual integrity from my first days at TUR. Give him credit, it took me 5 years to prove it and only because he screwed up with this pay to comment scam.

    Carry on.

    Replies: @Thomm, @Dissident

    I should probably clarify, lest my “Agree” with this comment of iffen’s be misconstrued as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case. While I find what you report plausible and have no reason to question your credibility, I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    That said, there are a number of germane and salient facts that I could cite that are, to at least a large degree, what formed the basis for my “Agree” with this comment of iffen’s. Perhaps I will yet attempt to elaborate in a more appropriate place.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Dissident

    as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case.

    There is no way that you or anyone else could know.

    I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens. Either yours would be deleted and you would then have first-hand knowledge or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.

    Replies: @Dissident

  33. @Dissident
    @iffen

    I should probably clarify, lest my "Agree" with this comment of iffen's be misconstrued as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case. While I find what you report plausible and have no reason to question your credibility, I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    That said, there are a number of germane and salient facts that I could cite that are, to at least a large degree, what formed the basis for my "Agree" with this comment of iffen's. Perhaps I will yet attempt to elaborate in a more appropriate place.

    Replies: @iffen

    as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case.

    There is no way that you or anyone else could know.

    I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens. Either yours would be deleted and you would then have first-hand knowledge or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.

    • Replies: @Dissident
    @iffen


    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens.
     
    I'm afraid that if I were to do such a thing, I would risk having my own leeway in commenting severely curtailed.

    or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.
     
    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see...at least until "the schoolmarm", whom I suspect might not be too pleased, noticed. (You realize, I'm sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host's blog space places him in.)

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

  34. @iffen
    @Dissident

    as implying that I can vouch for his specific claim with first-hand knowledge or experience, that this is not the case.

    There is no way that you or anyone else could know.

    I have not, to the best of my recollection, experienced it myself here at Unz Review.

    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens. Either yours would be deleted and you would then have first-hand knowledge or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.

    Replies: @Dissident

    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens.

    I’m afraid that if I were to do such a thing, I would risk having my own leeway in commenting severely curtailed.

    or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.

    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see…at least until “the schoolmarm”, whom I suspect might not be too pleased, noticed. (You realize, I’m sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host’s blog space places him in.)

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Dissident

    (You realize, I’m sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host’s blog space places him in.)

    Perhaps, but these are all supposed to be big boys that can look out for themselves.

    Vis-a-vis our main gracious host and his stable, how did you like the main gracious host's comment implying that he pays Sailer more than he's worth so there is no need for readers to be "supporting" Sailer with dollars.

    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see…

    I'll think about it. I was just going to let it go. I don't see how it's my responsibility to show that he surreptitiously deletes comments. I know, and that's almost good enough for me.

    Here is a pertinent comment from the area of the thread where the censorship started:

    Biff says:
    December 16, 2019 at 3:28 am GMT
    @silviosilver
    I think you already know who the problem posters are, so why not just outright ban them?
    And be accused of censorship – which leads to every other kind of accusation including lying?
    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @silviosilver
     

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Dissident

    I'm not sure I'm tracking exactly what you're talking about. Unless they are prematurely snagged by a filter Ron has set up, I see all the comments. Both of you are set to auto-approve, so I'm unaware of what isn't making it through.

  35. @Dissident
    @iffen


    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens.
     
    I'm afraid that if I were to do such a thing, I would risk having my own leeway in commenting severely curtailed.

    or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.
     
    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see...at least until "the schoolmarm", whom I suspect might not be too pleased, noticed. (You realize, I'm sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host's blog space places him in.)

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    (You realize, I’m sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host’s blog space places him in.)

    Perhaps, but these are all supposed to be big boys that can look out for themselves.

    Vis-a-vis our main gracious host and his stable, how did you like the main gracious host’s comment implying that he pays Sailer more than he’s worth so there is no need for readers to be “supporting” Sailer with dollars.

    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see…

    I’ll think about it. I was just going to let it go. I don’t see how it’s my responsibility to show that he surreptitiously deletes comments. I know, and that’s almost good enough for me.

    Here is a pertinent comment from the area of the thread where the censorship started:

    Biff says:
    December 16, 2019 at 3:28 am GMT
    @silviosilver
    I think you already know who the problem posters are, so why not just outright ban them?
    And be accused of censorship – which leads to every other kind of accusation including lying?
    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @silviosilver

  36. Paraphrase of deleted comment:

    I will not pay to comment.

    I will not pay to read TUR.

    This pay to comment is a scam. It is simply a dishonest way whereby you think that you can censor certain comments and commenters without overtly showing that you are censoring.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @iffen

    Oh, now I'm tracking. Ron did say he was going to be heavy-handed with the censoring on that post.

    Our main host is a big boy who can indeed handle himself.

    For what it's worth, I greatly respect and admire what he is doing. If he wants to continue to grow the site to be the internet's largest oasis for free thought, he's going to have to find a way to defer some of the costs. He's a multimillionaire, not a multibillionaire. On a personal level, he has never been anything other than accommodating and gracious to me.

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Rosie
    @iffen


    I will not pay to comment.
     
    I won't be able to. I'm a SAHM and housewife without an income of my own. I hope some other way can be found.
    , @Mark G.
    @iffen

    I would place some value on having a diversity of viewpoints since that makes a comment section more interesting to me. The comment sections here at this site seem to have that now. Would charging for comments decrease that diversity by eliminating certain categories of commenter like retired people on limited incomes, nonworking students, or stay at home housewives with large families trying to stay within their household budget? Would it just cut down on the numbers of comments they left or drive them off the site completely? If the latter, I think that would not be a good thing. I might read the comment sections here less if it was just everyone agreeing with each other and telling each other how brilliant they are. Mr. Unz might need to experiment and charge for comments to see what happens. I regularly donate to sites like lewrockwell.com or antiwar.com that I read regularly so I may start adding unz.com to the list since I probably spend as much time on this site as I do on the others I already donate to.

  37. @anon
    @Rosie

    National socialism did not win in free and open debate. One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn't know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.

    Replies: @Rosie

    One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn’t know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.

    Nonsense. The national socialist objection to democracy is not the it gives too much power to the people, but that it is too easily subverted by special interests. A strong executive power keeps those interests in check. Of course, you do also need a strong military if you hope to run your country for the good of your own people, because foreign powers may have other ideas.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie

    The natsoc objection to democracy is that in addition to special interests, "the people" are generally either too stupid or too short sighted or have too disparate interests for the "national interest" to be served adequately. Therefore society is to be "corporatized" into large corporate entities to be organized along authoritarian, military lines that in turn can be organized and led by the national government. The military under natsoc is a principle and model of organization for the rest of society, and a tool to serve the national interest.

  38. @Rosie
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker


    Almost like steps have been taken to purposely deny this ideology a voice, even though it will make almost everybody happy.
     
    Of course, the appeal of the ideology that dare not speak its name is precisely the reason it cannot be allowed any voice. In a free and open debate, it will win every time.

    Replies: @anon, @Audacious Epigone

    In China it is winning–and no debate about it is allowed!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Audacious Epigone


    In China it is winning–and no debate about it is allowed!
     
    You may be right, but I'm not sure China is really national socialist. Waging mercantilist economic warfare against other countries is really not the point of national socialism. The Chinese economy is too export-dependent. Even if you're winning at trade, you're still compromising your country's economic independence.

    National Socialism ideally looks more like an economy run by Henry Ford. Pay workers enough so that they can buy products and provide a domestic market for national industrial output, rather than put them to work in sweatshops producing goods for foreigners for slave wages.

    Replies: @anon

  39. @Dissident
    @iffen


    I could paraphrase one of my deleted comments here and you could go post the comment and see what happens.
     
    I'm afraid that if I were to do such a thing, I would risk having my own leeway in commenting severely curtailed.

    or it could be published and the commenters could see what the Patron Saint of Free Speech deemed worthy of censorship.
     
    Well, if you were to post it here, those who read this thread would see...at least until "the schoolmarm", whom I suspect might not be too pleased, noticed. (You realize, I'm sure, what an awkward spot having this discussed at all on our gracious host's blog space places him in.)

    Replies: @iffen, @Audacious Epigone

    I’m not sure I’m tracking exactly what you’re talking about. Unless they are prematurely snagged by a filter Ron has set up, I see all the comments. Both of you are set to auto-approve, so I’m unaware of what isn’t making it through.

  40. @iffen
    Paraphrase of deleted comment:

    I will not pay to comment.

    I will not pay to read TUR.

    This pay to comment is a scam. It is simply a dishonest way whereby you think that you can censor certain comments and commenters without overtly showing that you are censoring.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Rosie, @Mark G.

    Oh, now I’m tracking. Ron did say he was going to be heavy-handed with the censoring on that post.

    Our main host is a big boy who can indeed handle himself.

    For what it’s worth, I greatly respect and admire what he is doing. If he wants to continue to grow the site to be the internet’s largest oasis for free thought, he’s going to have to find a way to defer some of the costs. He’s a multimillionaire, not a multibillionaire. On a personal level, he has never been anything other than accommodating and gracious to me.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Audacious Epigone

    I very much look forward to getting further feedback, whether positive or negative....

    I am a man of some humility and it is quite clear that this "truth movement" is above my paygrade.

    'Nuff said.

  41. @Audacious Epigone
    @Rosie

    In China it is winning--and no debate about it is allowed!

    Replies: @Rosie

    In China it is winning–and no debate about it is allowed!

    You may be right, but I’m not sure China is really national socialist. Waging mercantilist economic warfare against other countries is really not the point of national socialism. The Chinese economy is too export-dependent. Even if you’re winning at trade, you’re still compromising your country’s economic independence.

    National Socialism ideally looks more like an economy run by Henry Ford. Pay workers enough so that they can buy products and provide a domestic market for national industrial output, rather than put them to work in sweatshops producing goods for foreigners for slave wages.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Rosie

    To produce industrial output, you need raw materials such as oil and rubber. To obtain raw materials, you need to trade or engage in conquest. The circular flow between workers/consumers and the Ford factory is not a closed, self-sustaining system, since the raw materials have to come from somewhere. In fact, Ford sought rubber colonies in South America during the 1920s and established a short lived one Brazil to source the rubber necessary for their factories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2ndia

    Replies: @Rosie

  42. @Audacious Epigone
    @iffen

    Oh, now I'm tracking. Ron did say he was going to be heavy-handed with the censoring on that post.

    Our main host is a big boy who can indeed handle himself.

    For what it's worth, I greatly respect and admire what he is doing. If he wants to continue to grow the site to be the internet's largest oasis for free thought, he's going to have to find a way to defer some of the costs. He's a multimillionaire, not a multibillionaire. On a personal level, he has never been anything other than accommodating and gracious to me.

    Replies: @iffen

    I very much look forward to getting further feedback, whether positive or negative….

    I am a man of some humility and it is quite clear that this “truth movement” is above my paygrade.

    ‘Nuff said.

  43. @davidgmillsatty
    @WorkingClass

    What the working class needs is universal basic income. AI will soon have all the jobs. It can already do nearly all jobs as well as humans. In a few short years it will be doing all jobs ten times better than humans.

    Replies: @Mike Tre, @PSBindy

    Universal Basic Income is a lullabye to the masses ignorant enough to believe the Super Elite will pay money to have billions of us clog up “their world” as we lay about.

  44. @Svevlad
    "daily beast" might be the most idiotic name for a newspaper, ever. Just attack them as satanists and ignore any counter-argument, with a name like that, opinions are not even allowed

    Replies: @David

    The Daily Beast is the establishment newspaper in Scoop. Its reporters write their copy without gathering any facts, just set pieces of boilerplate: “the tapping of my typewriter keys is being answered by the rattle of machine gun fire in the street below.”

    It seems like an apt if inadvertent namesake of its present incarnation.

  45. @iffen
    Paraphrase of deleted comment:

    I will not pay to comment.

    I will not pay to read TUR.

    This pay to comment is a scam. It is simply a dishonest way whereby you think that you can censor certain comments and commenters without overtly showing that you are censoring.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Rosie, @Mark G.

    I will not pay to comment.

    I won’t be able to. I’m a SAHM and housewife without an income of my own. I hope some other way can be found.

  46. @iffen
    Paraphrase of deleted comment:

    I will not pay to comment.

    I will not pay to read TUR.

    This pay to comment is a scam. It is simply a dishonest way whereby you think that you can censor certain comments and commenters without overtly showing that you are censoring.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Rosie, @Mark G.

    I would place some value on having a diversity of viewpoints since that makes a comment section more interesting to me. The comment sections here at this site seem to have that now. Would charging for comments decrease that diversity by eliminating certain categories of commenter like retired people on limited incomes, nonworking students, or stay at home housewives with large families trying to stay within their household budget? Would it just cut down on the numbers of comments they left or drive them off the site completely? If the latter, I think that would not be a good thing. I might read the comment sections here less if it was just everyone agreeing with each other and telling each other how brilliant they are. Mr. Unz might need to experiment and charge for comments to see what happens. I regularly donate to sites like lewrockwell.com or antiwar.com that I read regularly so I may start adding unz.com to the list since I probably spend as much time on this site as I do on the others I already donate to.

  47. anon[360] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @anon


    One of its tenets is that democracy has to be suppressed or worked around and transcended because the public has too much internal disagreement or doesn’t know any better, and must be replaced by a military style hierarchy and the Führerprinzip.
     
    Nonsense. The national socialist objection to democracy is not the it gives too much power to the people, but that it is too easily subverted by special interests. A strong executive power keeps those interests in check. Of course, you do also need a strong military if you hope to run your country for the good of your own people, because foreign powers may have other ideas.

    Replies: @anon

    The natsoc objection to democracy is that in addition to special interests, “the people” are generally either too stupid or too short sighted or have too disparate interests for the “national interest” to be served adequately. Therefore society is to be “corporatized” into large corporate entities to be organized along authoritarian, military lines that in turn can be organized and led by the national government. The military under natsoc is a principle and model of organization for the rest of society, and a tool to serve the national interest.

    • Disagree: Rosie
  48. anon[409] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rosie
    @Audacious Epigone


    In China it is winning–and no debate about it is allowed!
     
    You may be right, but I'm not sure China is really national socialist. Waging mercantilist economic warfare against other countries is really not the point of national socialism. The Chinese economy is too export-dependent. Even if you're winning at trade, you're still compromising your country's economic independence.

    National Socialism ideally looks more like an economy run by Henry Ford. Pay workers enough so that they can buy products and provide a domestic market for national industrial output, rather than put them to work in sweatshops producing goods for foreigners for slave wages.

    Replies: @anon

    To produce industrial output, you need raw materials such as oil and rubber. To obtain raw materials, you need to trade or engage in conquest. The circular flow between workers/consumers and the Ford factory is not a closed, self-sustaining system, since the raw materials have to come from somewhere. In fact, Ford sought rubber colonies in South America during the 1920s and established a short lived one Brazil to source the rubber necessary for their factories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2ndia

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @anon


    To produce industrial output, you need raw materials such as oil and rubber.
     
    I have never said that a natsoc economy can be totally independent, only that the goal is to maximize independence, not GDP.

    Your implicit claim that natsoc governments will inevitably turn belligerent to secure resources is hardly on point, since neoliberalism is certainly no better, and probably worse, in that regard.

  49. @anon
    @Rosie

    To produce industrial output, you need raw materials such as oil and rubber. To obtain raw materials, you need to trade or engage in conquest. The circular flow between workers/consumers and the Ford factory is not a closed, self-sustaining system, since the raw materials have to come from somewhere. In fact, Ford sought rubber colonies in South America during the 1920s and established a short lived one Brazil to source the rubber necessary for their factories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fordl%C3%A2ndia

    Replies: @Rosie

    To produce industrial output, you need raw materials such as oil and rubber.

    I have never said that a natsoc economy can be totally independent, only that the goal is to maximize independence, not GDP.

    Your implicit claim that natsoc governments will inevitably turn belligerent to secure resources is hardly on point, since neoliberalism is certainly no better, and probably worse, in that regard.

  50. @Mike Tre
    @Charles Pewitt

    "German babe" Gabbard has more in common with Angela Merkel as she is a childless, unfettered immigration fetishist.

    It's funny to read your rants about politicians who you feel "hate white working core America" or whatever, but I guess all it takes is a soft 7 for you to abandon that belief.

    "Masturbatory value" isn't really a sound line item when pushing a particular candidate. I may be wrong.

    Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    Childless, half brown, Hindu… Based Tulsi is here to save White Core America! The new Germans are known to be brown and Hindu.

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