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The subsequent graph brings to mind Steve Sailer’s observation that whites are increasingly resembling American Indians as defeated peoples suffering in despair:

GSS variables used: RACECEN1(1)(2)(3)(4-10), HISPANIC(1)(2-50), LOTR3(1-4)(5)

 
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  1. While said I think it’s dissapointing that only 21% of people on average feel optimistic about the future. 4/5 of people are negative about the future. Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Tusk

    21% "strongly agree" with "always" feeling optimistic about their future, which is a pretty strong claim and if answered honestly, refers to an extraordinarily sunny individual who barely experiences worry.

    You might roughly double it by including "partly agree".

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Tusk

    The question had five possible answers, of which simply "agree" is one. Most people of all races agree to general optimism, at least in this phraseology. I should've made that explicit. It's indicated by the GSS data variables, but that's effectively putting a fuller explanation in the footnotes. Bad form on my part.

  2. If limited only to those born in the US Hispanic are almost them same as whites.

  3. As always, White people are more able to see ahead and judge what is coming…

  4. Maybe white folks expectations are just too high? In my experience, on average, even the rich ones seem to fret about more things and just can’t seem to learn to chill out.

    Aaaaaaand…if you’re always worried about the future, well, say goodbye to having kids.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Talha

    This is interesting. Nobody on Earth (at least no non-lunatic) is "always optimistic about [his] future" (emphasis added of course) and yet according to the survey, a remarkably consistent ~25% of each of various non-white groups says this of themselves, and a rough ~15% of whites and natives say it.

    I'm not sure of what qualities exactly this question is a rough measure; you mention anxiety, which makes sense, or introspective tendencies, or any of any number of other things.

    Speaking of American Indians and fertility, Native American fertility has gone down dramatically in the past few decades: https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol37/1/37-1.pdf

    , @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Maybe white folks expectations are just too high?
     
    There may be some truth to that. "It looks like I'm not going to get into Harvard so my life is basically over." "I can't afford a brand new car so my life is just one huge nightmare." "I'm convinced I'll never get to date a supermodel so why even bother going on living?" "Three people defriended me on facebook this week so I might as well just kill myself."

    Maybe too many white people have become snowflakes?

    Also it's possible that a high time preference, while being a good thing in many ways, doesn't make people deliriously happy. Maybe low time preference folks are generally happier. "I was really hungry so I bought a burger and fries and now life looks pretty sweet." "I don't own a house or a car but I just bought a new pair of runners (or a new dress) so life is awesome." "I missed out on Harvard but I dated this girl last night and she actually let me have sex with her. Life doesn't get any better than this."

    Living in the moment can be a bad thing or a good thing.

    It's also worth considering that some people get a buzz out of being miserable. Or they feel more virtuous.

    Happiness is a complicated thing, and optimism may be a complicated thing as well. For one person optimism might mean that they believe that in twenty years' time they'll be financially secure and comfortable. For another person being optimistic might mean that he thinks that the new girl in Accounts will sleep with him.

    Optimism and pessimism can also be individual or social. Some people can't feel optimistic because even though everything in their own lives is just great they think the planet is dying. Some people can't feel optimistic because even though they're doing just fine personally they think the Republicans will never win another election. Some people can't feel optimistic as long as Trump is still President. Others couldn't care less who is president or whether the planet is dying, they think they're going to get that promotion they wanted and then they'll be able to buy a new car.

    Replies: @Talha

  5. RSDB says:
    @Talha
    Maybe white folks expectations are just too high? In my experience, on average, even the rich ones seem to fret about more things and just can’t seem to learn to chill out.

    Aaaaaaand...if you’re always worried about the future, well, say goodbye to having kids.

    Peace.

    Replies: @RSDB, @dfordoom

    This is interesting. Nobody on Earth (at least no non-lunatic) is “always optimistic about [his] future” (emphasis added of course) and yet according to the survey, a remarkably consistent ~25% of each of various non-white groups says this of themselves, and a rough ~15% of whites and natives say it.

    I’m not sure of what qualities exactly this question is a rough measure; you mention anxiety, which makes sense, or introspective tendencies, or any of any number of other things.

    Speaking of American Indians and fertility, Native American fertility has gone down dramatically in the past few decades: https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol37/1/37-1.pdf

  6. Is this new, though? Is it getting worse, or are whites always this way?

    Whites have always and everywhere had the highest suicide rate, as well as low self esteem.

    • Replies: @anon
    @Jedi Night


    Is this new, though? Is it getting worse, or are whites always this way?
     
    It's not new, and it has been getting worse since the turn of the millennium. That coincides with two factors: the rise of the internet and the Reagan coalition being demographically marginalized to the point where Bush lost the 2000 popular vote and barely won re-election.

    Whites have always and everywhere had the highest suicide rate, as well as low self esteem.
     
    The Japanese have long had an even higher rate. The White Death has only been a thing since around 2000.
  7. Sailer is right… Enjoy the decline!

  8. Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.

    That something is diversity and multiculturalism. Humans have a natural in-group preference and work best within that context; that’s what they desire and how they’ve been designed to think. All of those other demographics are permitted to have their own group identities, which bolsters their outlook on life. Blacks, for example, have television networks, movies, graduation ceremonies, magazines, and holidays all for their own kind. Asians have Chinatowns and their civilization back in Asia to look up to. Hispanics have their home countries, Spanish language American television, and a media that defends them. Each of those groups also has a political party, the democrats, which expressly works to further their racial group aims and comforts, including fielding candidates along those identitarian lines. What do whites have?

    Whites have nothing of the sort, are constantly berated, have their work stolen from them (taxes, affirmative action, race-swapping literature and movies) and given to other groups that openly resent their existence. They also don’t have Europe to look up to anymore because schools are removing Western Civilization from school curricula:

    Yale Daily News

    Decades old and once taught by famous Yale professors like Vincent Scully, “Introduction to Art History: Renaissance to the Present” was once touted to be one of Yale College’s quintessential classes. But this change is the latest response to student uneasiness over an idealized Western “canon” — a product of an overwhelmingly white, straight, European and male cadre of artists.

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/01/24/art-history-department-to-scrap-survey-course/

    Half of whites are psychologically disturbed, and thus hate the other half along with themselves. The end result is that whites are a defeated people. Without a cohesive group, they are psychologically unmoored in a cruel, uncaring world where they are easy prey for aggressive predators.

    Whites have tried to compensate for the loss of ethnic (and now national) identity by joining bizarre fringe groups that, not coincidentally, are overwhelmingly white: environmentalism, antifa, feminism, neighborhood watches, right-wing MAGA patriotism, Christian Zionism, New Atheism, videogame subcultures, comic books, men’s rights, and progressive liberalism — among many examples. This also includes activities such a sports (tennis and golf over predominantly black basketball and football).

    However, diversity requirements are increasingly taking even that away. NASCAR, for example, used to be very popular among white Southerners. Like soccer, though, it’s boring … so why was it ever popular in the first place? Answer: it provided for some measure of group identity and interaction; almost all fans were middle-class whites. People enjoy idolizing people who look like them, and they enjoy going out and being with people who act like them (the crowds were nearly all white). But then NASCAR had a change of leadership. They got politically correct and banned the confederate flag, recruited minorities through outreach programs, changed up the leader board system to make it more “exciting” to a younger demographic, and they moved into other regions. Result: NASCAR is now a dead sport. Decades of popularity ended in a fizzle of apathy. Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.

    We’ve reached a nadir in white ability to exist within groups of their own kind. American history has been defined as a steady loss in the ability of whites to have their own spaces. First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics, ultimately culminating in the removal of prayer from schools. Then smaller group associations were lost through the Civil Rights Act. Then employment through affirmative action. Then artistic communities like Hollywood, comics, and videogames through HR departments and social media outrage mobs. Then American patriotism itself was lost as the flag was declared racist …

    … whites have run out of places to hide.

    It’s amazing how much of what’s wrong with whites can be explained by a loss of group cohesion. One example among countless others: why do many conservative whites reject the science of evolution? Detractors might be tempted to say that conservatives are uneducated or stupid, but that’s not really true. White republican IQs are roughly the same as the Western European average and far above Eastern Europe and the global average. Whites, even conservative whites, are quite well educated. The real reason lies in group identity politics. Whites are denied an ethnic identity for themselves, so they’ve embraced fringe movements like Young Earth Creationism as a means of fostering group identity. Because they have no other group to fall back on, they are forced to defend wacky things in order to defend their group identity. As with NASCAR, it’s really all about the community … even if it’s dumb.

    Unmoored from identity, whites are psychologically disturbed. Moored to an unhealthy identity, whites act counter-productively and become insular in outlook. This is most true when whites have no fall back identity left for them. And they are denied the healthiest, most natural identity that all other groups have: ethnic and racial affiliation.

    American Indians are in the same boat as whites because there are few of them left; reservations are relatively sparsely populated, landlocked, and poor; autonomy exists only with the permission of the federal government. They don’t have an adequately sized, cohesive group to work within and they are largely ignored by the media, so they don’t get the psychological protection blacks get. The end result is apathy, nihilism, poverty of spirit and finance, and ultimately suicide. They don’t know themselves, so they know only misery.

    Whites have compensated for this loss of identity with toxic individualism, expressed succinctly in the rather bizarre American philosophy of libertarianism. White Americans have built a cult around not contributing to their communities in any form — taxes, face masks, temporary quarantines, government. They care first and foremost about keeping their heads down so they can maximize personal comfort. Thus, corporations that censor us go unregulated because that requires effort to stop; whites like Central Park Karen are subject to hypocritical attacks from racists because whites won’t mount an effective group response; and the government becomes oppressive because whites have vacated the battlefield, allowing their enemies to monopolize it for their own benefit.

    Whites believed they could get all of their creature comforts if only they could brainwash racial minorities into a libertarian culture of “no one take anything from anyone else.” In that world, whites are free to do whatever they want while not contributing anything themselves (i.e. having their work taken from them and appropriated by others, often racial groups that don’t like them). But that worldview, like Soviet communism, was a delusion. Non-Asian whites on average have fewer things than whites. Non-Asian whites are also more aggressive, cohesive, and racist while being less empathetic towards others. Such a dynamic always results in conflict. And those who vacate every battlefield inevitably lose the war. You can’t just psyche out an enemy determined to fight you.

    Poorer racial minorities see you as having things they want, so they will take from you while you are powerless to stop them. You are powerless because you lack a sizable, powerful, and cohesive group ready to work together as one to crush your rivals as a team using any means necessary, including not playing fair (another disadvantage whites have: they are dogmatists who play by imaginary rules others don’t follow).

    This dynamic you see playing out in the United States has already happened in black-majority Zimbabwe, formerly white-run Rhodesia (turned over to the majority black population just as South Africa was in the early 90s). Poor blacks, envious and hateful of whites, decided to simply take what they did not earn themselves from others in a fit of rage. In Zimbabwe, they stole white farms and drove Europeans out of the country with violence, essentially state-sanctioned. They justified it with various bigotries and blood libels aimed at whites. And they got away with it because whites were powerless to stop them. What good was individualist dogma and rhetoric for the whites of Zimbabwe?

    Zimbabwe ‘on brink of man-made starvation’, UN warns

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-50586514

    Zim to give back farms taken under land reform programme

    https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB

    A similar dynamic has also played out for decades across Central and South America: poorer, darker skinned ethnic minorities become envious of a self-interested, venal elite, seize power and then redistribute things to themselves — usually to disastrous effect. And it’s coming to America soon. The democrats spent much of the 2020 primary season debating reparations for blacks, despite that group already being the beneficiaries of trillions of dollars in welfare spending, a generation of positive media coverage, and myriad economic opportunities they wouldn’t have had back in Africa. Do you really think things won’t play out here the same way they have everywhere else?

    Whites are a defeated people because they no longer have a group of their own. Saving whites means changing this dynamic.

    As always, White people are more able to see ahead and judge what is coming

    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Divine Right


    Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.
     
    In fact it was both about the community and the racing.

    The racing was a lot better when NASCAR was its cultural real self.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0h85jK6Kc


    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.
     
    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.

    Replies: @Realist

    , @Corvinus
    @Divine Right

    "That something is diversity and multiculturalism."

    Except America was built on it, ranging at first from different European stocks, then mixing in African slaves and conquered indigenous tribes, along with the Mexicans (thanks, Polk!), Chinese (western railroads), and other assortments. Indeed, Americans as mutts have a natural in-group preference, with each race and ethnicity embracing their own social features and cultural features.

    I think you severely underestimate whites as a group who are generally pleased with their lives and progress. Yes, there are increasing health issues (medical and mental) among a segment of the white population, and there must be solutions created to address those abject concerns. Yes, white Americans are divided and polarized, but that does not mean they are defeated or are on the verge of being conquered.

    While I realize I am able to provide only anecdotal evidence, in my family, work, and peer group, the super majority of whites are proud of their lifestyles and accomplishments. They do not act or feel defeated, or are deathly afraid of being overrun by "vibrants" and "foreign hordes". The "fringe groups" you incorrectly label are associations and organizations that whites created for personal enjoyment. There is observably nothing wrong with desiring to be among your kind of people who hold similar preferences, including "sportsball". I get it, though, a perceived idyllic life is being "taken" from you. But perhaps you never really owned it. We whites are not hiding anywhere. We just happen to be proud in a way that is different to you, and have formed groups that demonstrate an identity that conceptually is confusing and foreign to you. That can be scary.

    "First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics..."

    Perhaps your sentiments here is why there is division among whites today?

    Replies: @Anon

    , @Achmed E. Newman
    @Divine Right

    Great comment, Mr. Right. See, A.E., now here's something that ought to be its own post and at top billing on unz. (Nothing against Mr. Dasein's one, but this is more down to earth.)

  9. Whites: whites skew older statistically, and older people have already used up quite a bit of their remaining future. Plus, the whole White Death despair thing is a real thing. Increasingly, younger Whites can see more clearly where this is all heading.

    Blacks: the more unhappy Whites get, the happier blacks will be. The Prime Directive is, Get Whitey, even if it hurts us in the short term. Plus blacks, famous for not seeing reality clearly and for believing near-infinite amounts of nonsense and twaddle, have naturally over-valued self-esteem.

    Asians/Hispanics: these are both younger, also more immigrants in groups. Immigrants will view their new country with more optimism and potential, especially when it’s being handed to them on a platter while the previous owners are ground to death.

    Missing from the chart, tellingly, are Jews. (The greatest political imperative in America right now, and one that Jews will resist to the death, is to disaggregate Jews from Whites in all racial bean-counting protocols, so that the world can see plainly where all the “privilege” really is. You better believe they’ll eight-six it.)

    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can’t believe this was so easy and it really worked!

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    the previous owners are ground to death.
     
    I thought grinding was stereotypically the East Asian specialty and white people were geniuses who could come up with stuff without working, I mean, grinding. ;)

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    , @EldnahYm
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can’t believe this was so easy and it really worked!
     
    Doubtful. Ashkenazi Jews are perhaps the most neurotic people in the world.
    , @Audacious Epigone
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The Jewish sample is only 30 since this question has only been asked in 2016, but 30% did say they "strongly agree".

    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  10. I am not worried about MY future. I am worried about the future of my children (and, hopefully, grandchildren) and their peers – their fellow young Americans.

    I made my bed and am going to lie down in it, come what may. But my children and their peers didn’t make the choice. We, the present generation, did for them. So I feel responsible for their fate.

    • Replies: @MBlanc46
    @Twinkie

    It’s not easy facing my demise seeing how badly my generation screwed up the nation that was bequeathed to us.

  11. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Whites: whites skew older statistically, and older people have already used up quite a bit of their remaining future. Plus, the whole White Death despair thing is a real thing. Increasingly, younger Whites can see more clearly where this is all heading.

    Blacks: the more unhappy Whites get, the happier blacks will be. The Prime Directive is, Get Whitey, even if it hurts us in the short term. Plus blacks, famous for not seeing reality clearly and for believing near-infinite amounts of nonsense and twaddle, have naturally over-valued self-esteem.

    Asians/Hispanics: these are both younger, also more immigrants in groups. Immigrants will view their new country with more optimism and potential, especially when it's being handed to them on a platter while the previous owners are ground to death.

    Missing from the chart, tellingly, are Jews. (The greatest political imperative in America right now, and one that Jews will resist to the death, is to disaggregate Jews from Whites in all racial bean-counting protocols, so that the world can see plainly where all the "privilege" really is. You better believe they'll eight-six it.)

    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can't believe this was so easy and it really worked!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EldnahYm, @Audacious Epigone

    the previous owners are ground to death.

    I thought grinding was stereotypically the East Asian specialty and white people were geniuses who could come up with stuff without working, I mean, grinding. 😉

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    I know you're having an honest chuckle, but there's a common misunderstanding/misconception latent in your jab. The cliche is not how you imagine it. White people don't achieve great things by "not working," they do it by working hard naturally and holistically, in accord with human curiosity, not according to format. Example from real life:

    WHITE ACHIEVER CHAD: Realizes the assigned "To Kill a Mockingbird" is nonsense propaganda, wanders off to read "Major Barbara" and "Notes from Underground" instead. Gets an A on "Mockingbird" exam anyway, because after all, literary principles are plastic and transitive.

    ASIAN GRIND: Reads "To Kill a Mockingbird" nine times, practically memorizes it, doesn't enjoy or even grok a word of it, gets an A on exam, that'll do. Project 35-Xb 7 hereby achieved! Onward to Xb 8!

    If you read the contemporary polemics surrounding the Chinese Exclusion Act at the time, you find that proponents of restricted Asian immigration felt that way not because they thought the Chinese were lazy useless grifters, but because they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  12. Funny enough, it’s “Asians” in this country who answer affirmatively at the highest rate to the idea that hard work leads to attaining one’s goals in life. They are the least likely among the major races in the country to believe in inherited traits (including intelligence, I suppose) pre-determining one’s future.

    • Agree: AaronB
  13. @ Germ Theory Of Disease, I for one am not happy about it or laughing about it. I relate more to working class whites than successful Jews. But I don’t think there is an excuse to go down the road of drugs and alcohol like so many downscale whites choose to do. During the Great Recession my life and career zeroed out. I haven’t recovered and probably never will. Yet I’m sure not going to become an alcoholic or opioid addict. That will obviously make things worse. Instead of ruining my health and life I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine. Downscale whites need to learn this.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine.
     
    How very Japanese of you! Do you also have a little Bonsai tree you tend everyday?

    Sorry, I jest.

    In all seriousness, that's not a bad advice. But we have a destructive culture of grandiose and misplaced expectations ("college for everyone!") - it's not a culture that rewards those who engage in the beauty, joy, and excellence in small things.

    I put a lot into training my kids in martial arts (Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). My oldest boy is nationally-ranked in both. Aside from the more immediate and tangible benefits they inherently have (good health/fitness and the ability kick ass), another reason why I emphasize them to my children is because they give an outlet, a way out of the unfairness and wickedness of the ordinary world. There is a lot of crookedness and injustices in the world - things that continually try to keep you down and make light of your sacrifices and efforts. Judo and Jiu-Jitsu have those indignities too, but not nearly as much. They are still suffused with the ethos of honor, courage, perveserance, and comraderie. They form, in many ways, a fairer, more honorable small world within the larger, more flawed, outside world. I inculcate my children in these, so as to give them an outlet, an escape from the latter.

    Of course, at least a part of me screams "Screw the small joy. Let's take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!"

    Replies: @iffen, @Jay Fink

  14. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    the previous owners are ground to death.
     
    I thought grinding was stereotypically the East Asian specialty and white people were geniuses who could come up with stuff without working, I mean, grinding. ;)

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I know you’re having an honest chuckle, but there’s a common misunderstanding/misconception latent in your jab. The cliche is not how you imagine it. White people don’t achieve great things by “not working,” they do it by working hard naturally and holistically, in accord with human curiosity, not according to format. Example from real life:

    WHITE ACHIEVER CHAD: Realizes the assigned “To Kill a Mockingbird” is nonsense propaganda, wanders off to read “Major Barbara” and “Notes from Underground” instead. Gets an A on “Mockingbird” exam anyway, because after all, literary principles are plastic and transitive.

    ASIAN GRIND: Reads “To Kill a Mockingbird” nine times, practically memorizes it, doesn’t enjoy or even grok a word of it, gets an A on exam, that’ll do. Project 35-Xb 7 hereby achieved! Onward to Xb 8!

    If you read the contemporary polemics surrounding the Chinese Exclusion Act at the time, you find that proponents of restricted Asian immigration felt that way not because they thought the Chinese were lazy useless grifters, but because they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.

    • Agree: Cloudbuster, AaronB, Rosie
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I know all about it. I didn't need this reply, the content of which has been told hundreds, or maybe thousands, of times on this site in many different ways.


    they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.
     
    All that destroyed by the 5% of the population that don't dominate anything but drycleaning shops and wig business for black women, huh?

    You want to see competition, buddy? I invite you to my mostly white super zip (or any super zip) and see what kind of of one-upmanship competitive environment these white soccer moms construct. Whose "format" do you think these upstart Asians are following/imitating?

    While I agree that East Asians are, on average, more conformist than white Americans are (and I am an immigration restrictionist, including of that from Asia, because that's what's good for all Americans), the rise of hyper-competition in America began long before Asians were a tiny speck of a fraction in this country.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  15. @Jay Fink
    @ Germ Theory Of Disease, I for one am not happy about it or laughing about it. I relate more to working class whites than successful Jews. But I don't think there is an excuse to go down the road of drugs and alcohol like so many downscale whites choose to do. During the Great Recession my life and career zeroed out. I haven't recovered and probably never will. Yet I'm sure not going to become an alcoholic or opioid addict. That will obviously make things worse. Instead of ruining my health and life I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine. Downscale whites need to learn this.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine.

    How very Japanese of you! Do you also have a little Bonsai tree you tend everyday?

    Sorry, I jest.

    In all seriousness, that’s not a bad advice. But we have a destructive culture of grandiose and misplaced expectations (“college for everyone!”) – it’s not a culture that rewards those who engage in the beauty, joy, and excellence in small things.

    I put a lot into training my kids in martial arts (Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). My oldest boy is nationally-ranked in both. Aside from the more immediate and tangible benefits they inherently have (good health/fitness and the ability kick ass), another reason why I emphasize them to my children is because they give an outlet, a way out of the unfairness and wickedness of the ordinary world. There is a lot of crookedness and injustices in the world – things that continually try to keep you down and make light of your sacrifices and efforts. Judo and Jiu-Jitsu have those indignities too, but not nearly as much. They are still suffused with the ethos of honor, courage, perveserance, and comraderie. They form, in many ways, a fairer, more honorable small world within the larger, more flawed, outside world. I inculcate my children in these, so as to give them an outlet, an escape from the latter.

    Of course, at least a part of me screams “Screw the small joy. Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    Replies: @Talha, @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    , @Jay Fink
    @Twinkie

    I think it's a matter of stepping back and not buying into whatever pressures and expectations we are told to live up to. We can opt out. I rarely get stressed or angry over anything. A friend asked me isn't that the easy way out? I guess so but I have no guilt or shame about it. It feels good. The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success. They channel their aggression into bad decisions and go all the way with it.

    Replies: @AaronB

  16. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    I know you're having an honest chuckle, but there's a common misunderstanding/misconception latent in your jab. The cliche is not how you imagine it. White people don't achieve great things by "not working," they do it by working hard naturally and holistically, in accord with human curiosity, not according to format. Example from real life:

    WHITE ACHIEVER CHAD: Realizes the assigned "To Kill a Mockingbird" is nonsense propaganda, wanders off to read "Major Barbara" and "Notes from Underground" instead. Gets an A on "Mockingbird" exam anyway, because after all, literary principles are plastic and transitive.

    ASIAN GRIND: Reads "To Kill a Mockingbird" nine times, practically memorizes it, doesn't enjoy or even grok a word of it, gets an A on exam, that'll do. Project 35-Xb 7 hereby achieved! Onward to Xb 8!

    If you read the contemporary polemics surrounding the Chinese Exclusion Act at the time, you find that proponents of restricted Asian immigration felt that way not because they thought the Chinese were lazy useless grifters, but because they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    I know all about it. I didn’t need this reply, the content of which has been told hundreds, or maybe thousands, of times on this site in many different ways.

    they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.

    All that destroyed by the 5% of the population that don’t dominate anything but drycleaning shops and wig business for black women, huh?

    You want to see competition, buddy? I invite you to my mostly white super zip (or any super zip) and see what kind of of one-upmanship competitive environment these white soccer moms construct. Whose “format” do you think these upstart Asians are following/imitating?

    While I agree that East Asians are, on average, more conformist than white Americans are (and I am an immigration restrictionist, including of that from Asia, because that’s what’s good for all Americans), the rise of hyper-competition in America began long before Asians were a tiny speck of a fraction in this country.

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    "Whose format do you think these upstart Asians are imitating?"

    I assume you know what an eight-legged essay is, and that its origins are at least three or four weeks older than the practices of white suburban soccer moms.

    "All that destroyed by the 5 per cent of the population"

    Come on, I know that you know more about numbers than I do. When people talk UK demographics and say there's no White genocide because Whites are still north of 80 per cent, we both know that they're lying because the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.

    "don't dominate anything but dry cleaning shops"

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.

    Dood, I took you for a level-headed non-disingenuous type. I've already had four disappointments before breakfast, don't let me have a fifth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

  17. Most whites today belong inwardly and spiritually to a civilization that is dying. Most non-whites belong only to the eternal peasantry, to the man-type as such without a civilizational vocation.They are more optimistic because their horizon is completely different.

    The solution is for white people to abandon the system that is strangulating them. The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.
     
    Ibn Khaldun 101. What we may well be seeing is that whites are the most proximate victims of their own historically-unprecedented material success and the society they created to get there. “King of the hill” has always come with a price.

    It’s OK, no one stays on top forever; it seems to be a Divine pattern at work to keep things in a constant state of flux and development.

    Peace.

    Recently came across a historical incident where the Vikings raided the Iberian coast when the Umayyads were in charge. Around 80 or so long ships struck swiftly at multiple cities, sacking them; plundering, taking slaves of course. The Umayyads were fairly quick to respond and mobilized and defeated them south of Seville; capturing around a thousand and beheading 400 as an example - trashed their fleet too. The ones that stayed actually converted to Islam and became known as accomplished cheese-makers - go figure! Vikings never showed up for raids in that neck of the woods again.

    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Realist

    , @Twinkie
    @Intelligent Dasein


    Most non-whites belong only to the eternal peasantry, to the man-type as such without a civilizational vocation.
     
    I took you to be a moderately intelligent type aspiring to a more exalted status. I’m sorry that I overrated your intellect.
  18. Don’t Asian Americans have a pretty high suicide rate, relative to blacks and Latinos, especially considering their income, which is higher than the two, and that the average Asian American is a lot richer than the average black or latino, particularly among college age kids?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Znzn

    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower--just one-third the rate--than white men. Among Asian women, rates are modestly higher than blacks and Hispanics and again much lower than among whites, but female rates overall are only one-third those of men.

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie

  19. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I know all about it. I didn't need this reply, the content of which has been told hundreds, or maybe thousands, of times on this site in many different ways.


    they were relentless automatons who would work themselves to death to get ahead, the resulting competition thus making life unbearable for Whites, who would have to destroy their own cozy and rather ingenious quality of life just to stay on par. Note that that is precisely what has happened.
     
    All that destroyed by the 5% of the population that don't dominate anything but drycleaning shops and wig business for black women, huh?

    You want to see competition, buddy? I invite you to my mostly white super zip (or any super zip) and see what kind of of one-upmanship competitive environment these white soccer moms construct. Whose "format" do you think these upstart Asians are following/imitating?

    While I agree that East Asians are, on average, more conformist than white Americans are (and I am an immigration restrictionist, including of that from Asia, because that's what's good for all Americans), the rise of hyper-competition in America began long before Asians were a tiny speck of a fraction in this country.

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “Whose format do you think these upstart Asians are imitating?”

    I assume you know what an eight-legged essay is, and that its origins are at least three or four weeks older than the practices of white suburban soccer moms.

    “All that destroyed by the 5 per cent of the population”

    Come on, I know that you know more about numbers than I do. When people talk UK demographics and say there’s no White genocide because Whites are still north of 80 per cent, we both know that they’re lying because the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.

    “don’t dominate anything but dry cleaning shops”

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.

    Dood, I took you for a level-headed non-disingenuous type. I’ve already had four disappointments before breakfast, don’t let me have a fifth.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You know, there are certainly things to criticize about Asians, but it’s odd that they are simultaneously criticized as 1) not producing leaders - those of great influence and power and 2) having the power and influence to inexorably alter the hitherto Garden of Eden-like American society into a place of cutthroat competition.


    the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.
     
    You know that East Asians have lower TFR than whites, right?

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.
     
    How many elite universities are run by Asians? Which Asians dominate the media, finance, government, entertainment?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

  20. @Intelligent Dasein
    Most whites today belong inwardly and spiritually to a civilization that is dying. Most non-whites belong only to the eternal peasantry, to the man-type as such without a civilizational vocation.They are more optimistic because their horizon is completely different.

    The solution is for white people to abandon the system that is strangulating them. The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie

    The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.

    Ibn Khaldun 101. What we may well be seeing is that whites are the most proximate victims of their own historically-unprecedented material success and the society they created to get there. “King of the hill” has always come with a price.

    It’s OK, no one stays on top forever; it seems to be a Divine pattern at work to keep things in a constant state of flux and development.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    Recently came across a historical incident where the Vikings raided the Iberian coast when the Umayyads were in charge. Around 80 or so long ships struck swiftly at multiple cities, sacking them; plundering, taking slaves of course. The Umayyads were fairly quick to respond and mobilized and defeated them south of Seville; capturing around a thousand and beheading 400 as an example – trashed their fleet too. The ones that stayed actually converted to Islam and became known as accomplished cheese-makers – go figure! Vikings never showed up for raids in that neck of the woods again.

    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Talha


    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.
     
    And yet it is the internal infighting coupled with the Berber uprising and subsequent chaos that led to the beginning of the demise of the Ummayad Al Andalus.

    The fact that Berber dynasties invaded fractured Islamic Spain under the pretext of stabilizing the situation did not help because the Muslim and Mizarab natives resented the Moors domination.

    The Almohad attempt on forcing the conversion on the Dhimmi minorities to stop the Reconquista fell miserably, with the exception that they wiped out the last Christian Berber presence in the Maghreb.

    Jew continued prosperous commercial and political activities by switching sides.

    Conclusion: a house divided won't stand, but there are those who will prosper by selling its furniture...

    , @Realist
    @Talha

    Note to Whites...If you snooze...you lose.

    Replies: @Talha

  21. @Divine Right

    Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.
     
    That something is diversity and multiculturalism. Humans have a natural in-group preference and work best within that context; that's what they desire and how they've been designed to think. All of those other demographics are permitted to have their own group identities, which bolsters their outlook on life. Blacks, for example, have television networks, movies, graduation ceremonies, magazines, and holidays all for their own kind. Asians have Chinatowns and their civilization back in Asia to look up to. Hispanics have their home countries, Spanish language American television, and a media that defends them. Each of those groups also has a political party, the democrats, which expressly works to further their racial group aims and comforts, including fielding candidates along those identitarian lines. What do whites have?

    Whites have nothing of the sort, are constantly berated, have their work stolen from them (taxes, affirmative action, race-swapping literature and movies) and given to other groups that openly resent their existence. They also don't have Europe to look up to anymore because schools are removing Western Civilization from school curricula:

    Yale Daily News

    Decades old and once taught by famous Yale professors like Vincent Scully, “Introduction to Art History: Renaissance to the Present” was once touted to be one of Yale College’s quintessential classes. But this change is the latest response to student uneasiness over an idealized Western “canon” — a product of an overwhelmingly white, straight, European and male cadre of artists.

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/01/24/art-history-department-to-scrap-survey-course/
     
    Half of whites are psychologically disturbed, and thus hate the other half along with themselves. The end result is that whites are a defeated people. Without a cohesive group, they are psychologically unmoored in a cruel, uncaring world where they are easy prey for aggressive predators.

    Whites have tried to compensate for the loss of ethnic (and now national) identity by joining bizarre fringe groups that, not coincidentally, are overwhelmingly white: environmentalism, antifa, feminism, neighborhood watches, right-wing MAGA patriotism, Christian Zionism, New Atheism, videogame subcultures, comic books, men's rights, and progressive liberalism -- among many examples. This also includes activities such a sports (tennis and golf over predominantly black basketball and football).

    However, diversity requirements are increasingly taking even that away. NASCAR, for example, used to be very popular among white Southerners. Like soccer, though, it's boring ... so why was it ever popular in the first place? Answer: it provided for some measure of group identity and interaction; almost all fans were middle-class whites. People enjoy idolizing people who look like them, and they enjoy going out and being with people who act like them (the crowds were nearly all white). But then NASCAR had a change of leadership. They got politically correct and banned the confederate flag, recruited minorities through outreach programs, changed up the leader board system to make it more "exciting" to a younger demographic, and they moved into other regions. Result: NASCAR is now a dead sport. Decades of popularity ended in a fizzle of apathy. Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.

    We've reached a nadir in white ability to exist within groups of their own kind. American history has been defined as a steady loss in the ability of whites to have their own spaces. First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics, ultimately culminating in the removal of prayer from schools. Then smaller group associations were lost through the Civil Rights Act. Then employment through affirmative action. Then artistic communities like Hollywood, comics, and videogames through HR departments and social media outrage mobs. Then American patriotism itself was lost as the flag was declared racist ...

    ... whites have run out of places to hide.

    It's amazing how much of what's wrong with whites can be explained by a loss of group cohesion. One example among countless others: why do many conservative whites reject the science of evolution? Detractors might be tempted to say that conservatives are uneducated or stupid, but that's not really true. White republican IQs are roughly the same as the Western European average and far above Eastern Europe and the global average. Whites, even conservative whites, are quite well educated. The real reason lies in group identity politics. Whites are denied an ethnic identity for themselves, so they've embraced fringe movements like Young Earth Creationism as a means of fostering group identity. Because they have no other group to fall back on, they are forced to defend wacky things in order to defend their group identity. As with NASCAR, it's really all about the community ... even if it's dumb.

    Unmoored from identity, whites are psychologically disturbed. Moored to an unhealthy identity, whites act counter-productively and become insular in outlook. This is most true when whites have no fall back identity left for them. And they are denied the healthiest, most natural identity that all other groups have: ethnic and racial affiliation.

    American Indians are in the same boat as whites because there are few of them left; reservations are relatively sparsely populated, landlocked, and poor; autonomy exists only with the permission of the federal government. They don't have an adequately sized, cohesive group to work within and they are largely ignored by the media, so they don't get the psychological protection blacks get. The end result is apathy, nihilism, poverty of spirit and finance, and ultimately suicide. They don't know themselves, so they know only misery.

    Whites have compensated for this loss of identity with toxic individualism, expressed succinctly in the rather bizarre American philosophy of libertarianism. White Americans have built a cult around not contributing to their communities in any form -- taxes, face masks, temporary quarantines, government. They care first and foremost about keeping their heads down so they can maximize personal comfort. Thus, corporations that censor us go unregulated because that requires effort to stop; whites like Central Park Karen are subject to hypocritical attacks from racists because whites won't mount an effective group response; and the government becomes oppressive because whites have vacated the battlefield, allowing their enemies to monopolize it for their own benefit.

    Whites believed they could get all of their creature comforts if only they could brainwash racial minorities into a libertarian culture of "no one take anything from anyone else." In that world, whites are free to do whatever they want while not contributing anything themselves (i.e. having their work taken from them and appropriated by others, often racial groups that don't like them). But that worldview, like Soviet communism, was a delusion. Non-Asian whites on average have fewer things than whites. Non-Asian whites are also more aggressive, cohesive, and racist while being less empathetic towards others. Such a dynamic always results in conflict. And those who vacate every battlefield inevitably lose the war. You can't just psyche out an enemy determined to fight you.

    Poorer racial minorities see you as having things they want, so they will take from you while you are powerless to stop them. You are powerless because you lack a sizable, powerful, and cohesive group ready to work together as one to crush your rivals as a team using any means necessary, including not playing fair (another disadvantage whites have: they are dogmatists who play by imaginary rules others don't follow).

    This dynamic you see playing out in the United States has already happened in black-majority Zimbabwe, formerly white-run Rhodesia (turned over to the majority black population just as South Africa was in the early 90s). Poor blacks, envious and hateful of whites, decided to simply take what they did not earn themselves from others in a fit of rage. In Zimbabwe, they stole white farms and drove Europeans out of the country with violence, essentially state-sanctioned. They justified it with various bigotries and blood libels aimed at whites. And they got away with it because whites were powerless to stop them. What good was individualist dogma and rhetoric for the whites of Zimbabwe?

    Zimbabwe 'on brink of man-made starvation', UN warns

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-50586514

    Zim to give back farms taken under land reform programme

    https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB
     
    A similar dynamic has also played out for decades across Central and South America: poorer, darker skinned ethnic minorities become envious of a self-interested, venal elite, seize power and then redistribute things to themselves -- usually to disastrous effect. And it's coming to America soon. The democrats spent much of the 2020 primary season debating reparations for blacks, despite that group already being the beneficiaries of trillions of dollars in welfare spending, a generation of positive media coverage, and myriad economic opportunities they wouldn't have had back in Africa. Do you really think things won't play out here the same way they have everywhere else?

    Whites are a defeated people because they no longer have a group of their own. Saving whites means changing this dynamic.

    As always, White people are more able to see ahead and judge what is coming
     
    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Corvinus, @Achmed E. Newman

    Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.

    In fact it was both about the community and the racing.

    The racing was a lot better when NASCAR was its cultural real self.

    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.

    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.
     
    Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @VinnyVette, @Beavertales

  22. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    "Whose format do you think these upstart Asians are imitating?"

    I assume you know what an eight-legged essay is, and that its origins are at least three or four weeks older than the practices of white suburban soccer moms.

    "All that destroyed by the 5 per cent of the population"

    Come on, I know that you know more about numbers than I do. When people talk UK demographics and say there's no White genocide because Whites are still north of 80 per cent, we both know that they're lying because the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.

    "don't dominate anything but dry cleaning shops"

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.

    Dood, I took you for a level-headed non-disingenuous type. I've already had four disappointments before breakfast, don't let me have a fifth.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    You know, there are certainly things to criticize about Asians, but it’s odd that they are simultaneously criticized as 1) not producing leaders – those of great influence and power and 2) having the power and influence to inexorably alter the hitherto Garden of Eden-like American society into a place of cutthroat competition.

    the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.

    You know that East Asians have lower TFR than whites, right?

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.

    How many elite universities are run by Asians? Which Asians dominate the media, finance, government, entertainment?

    • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    It's understandable if you just don't feel like continuing this sort of discussion -- it can grow tedious, and besides, nothing we say here will affect policy.

    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it's a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.

    I didn't mention UK's TFR to discuss TFR, I used it as an example of how numbers are manipulated to conceal the truth. In any event it doesn't matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there's a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine. Similarly, with

    "how many elite universities are run by Asians?"

    Come now, in the current Woke climate the real question is, How many WILL BE run by...? Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.

    As to things like leadership issues you raise, a) things change and b) a thought experiment:

    Let's say you're the chancellor of ToDai back in Japan. There are plenty of other top technical universities in Japan, but ToDai is the one that grooms the leadership elite. Do you really want it overwhelmingly attended by high-scoring brilliant hard-working Filipinos who have no roots in Japan, who arrived less than two generations ago, who have no attachment to Japanese history, culture and tradition, who are just there to get their ticket stamped so they can get rich in the banking system?

    Yeah, me neither.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Twinkie

  23. @Intelligent Dasein
    Most whites today belong inwardly and spiritually to a civilization that is dying. Most non-whites belong only to the eternal peasantry, to the man-type as such without a civilizational vocation.They are more optimistic because their horizon is completely different.

    The solution is for white people to abandon the system that is strangulating them. The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.

    Replies: @Talha, @Twinkie

    Most non-whites belong only to the eternal peasantry, to the man-type as such without a civilizational vocation.

    I took you to be a moderately intelligent type aspiring to a more exalted status. I’m sorry that I overrated your intellect.

  24. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Of course non-whites are happier, they see a future less dominated economically and socially by whites as something to look forward to and celebrate. Whites are obviously going to be significantly less happy because they’re the losers in all this.

    The only whites who would be optimistic about the future are self-loathing leftists or cucks who take pleasure in seeing their own people losing power and status to non-whites.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @Anonymous

    Good assessment... The problem is that neggroids fail to grasp due to their inherently abysmal IQ and total lack of self awareness is that without whites continuing to grease the wheels of society they will end up in ghetto utopia's such as Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore, and now Minneapolis... As soon as you hand them the keys to the car, the mash the go pedal to the floor and wrap it around a pole at 100 mph... But that's the way they roll!

  25. Be interested in who are these people optimistic about the future, is it wealth or political ideology, age perhaps?

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @LondonBob

    A higher serotonin + dopamine level is all you need for optimism.

    Happiness is a brain chemistry trick.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @LondonBob

    Class is the biggest non-racial factor. Upper class non-whites are very optimistic. Working class whites are very much not.

  26. anon[356] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jedi Night
    Is this new, though? Is it getting worse, or are whites always this way?

    Whites have always and everywhere had the highest suicide rate, as well as low self esteem.

    Replies: @anon

    Is this new, though? Is it getting worse, or are whites always this way?

    It’s not new, and it has been getting worse since the turn of the millennium. That coincides with two factors: the rise of the internet and the Reagan coalition being demographically marginalized to the point where Bush lost the 2000 popular vote and barely won re-election.

    Whites have always and everywhere had the highest suicide rate, as well as low self esteem.

    The Japanese have long had an even higher rate. The White Death has only been a thing since around 2000.

  27. @Talha
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.
     
    Ibn Khaldun 101. What we may well be seeing is that whites are the most proximate victims of their own historically-unprecedented material success and the society they created to get there. “King of the hill” has always come with a price.

    It’s OK, no one stays on top forever; it seems to be a Divine pattern at work to keep things in a constant state of flux and development.

    Peace.

    Recently came across a historical incident where the Vikings raided the Iberian coast when the Umayyads were in charge. Around 80 or so long ships struck swiftly at multiple cities, sacking them; plundering, taking slaves of course. The Umayyads were fairly quick to respond and mobilized and defeated them south of Seville; capturing around a thousand and beheading 400 as an example - trashed their fleet too. The ones that stayed actually converted to Islam and became known as accomplished cheese-makers - go figure! Vikings never showed up for raids in that neck of the woods again.

    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Realist

    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.

    And yet it is the internal infighting coupled with the Berber uprising and subsequent chaos that led to the beginning of the demise of the Ummayad Al Andalus.

    The fact that Berber dynasties invaded fractured Islamic Spain under the pretext of stabilizing the situation did not help because the Muslim and Mizarab natives resented the Moors domination.

    The Almohad attempt on forcing the conversion on the Dhimmi minorities to stop the Reconquista fell miserably, with the exception that they wiped out the last Christian Berber presence in the Maghreb.

    Jew continued prosperous commercial and political activities by switching sides.

    Conclusion: a house divided won’t stand, but there are those who will prosper by selling its furniture…

    • Agree: Talha
  28. @LondonBob
    Be interested in who are these people optimistic about the future, is it wealth or political ideology, age perhaps?

    Replies: @Ano4, @Audacious Epigone

    A higher serotonin + dopamine level is all you need for optimism.

    Happiness is a brain chemistry trick.

  29. The subsequent graph brings to mind Steve Sailer’s observation that whites are increasingly resembling American Indians as defeated peoples suffering in despair:

    That is amazing since the American Indians really had no choice…the Whites did…and chose not to take it.
    There is no accounting for their stupidity.

    • Troll: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Realist

    There is no accounting for their stupidity.

    Nietzsche tried to.

  30. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Divine Right


    Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.
     
    In fact it was both about the community and the racing.

    The racing was a lot better when NASCAR was its cultural real self.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0h85jK6Kc


    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.
     
    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.

    Replies: @Realist

    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.

    Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.

    • Agree: VinnyVette
    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    Grow a set of balls and revolt.
     
    In case you haven't figured this out yet, that isn't much of a fresh or inspiring new idea, and just telling it to others is liable to elicit the following response: "you first." That or we'll believe you're a fed poster.

    Normies have two and only two responses:
    1) "Everything is fine."
    2) "Shoot politicians."

    They have nothing in between those extremes, and that is why they fail, time after time. You are not helping them devise a viable alternative.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Realist, @Mark G.

    , @VinnyVette
    @Realist

    Accidently hit the troll button my bad!

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Beavertales
    @Realist

    "Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process."

    Men with balls or guns are too threatening. In Britain, Australia and New Zealand they've gone to symbolic castration (firearms destruction) to ensure the men feel defeated.

    New Zealand has a 'gun crusher' device for ritualistic and psychological purposes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auD5A8NB8bU

    A man can see his AR15 being destroyed before his eyes, and take home a new perspective on the power relationship between himself and the state.

    Replies: @Realist

  31. @Talha
    @Intelligent Dasein


    The West is killing whites; whites need to release themselves from the West.
     
    Ibn Khaldun 101. What we may well be seeing is that whites are the most proximate victims of their own historically-unprecedented material success and the society they created to get there. “King of the hill” has always come with a price.

    It’s OK, no one stays on top forever; it seems to be a Divine pattern at work to keep things in a constant state of flux and development.

    Peace.

    Recently came across a historical incident where the Vikings raided the Iberian coast when the Umayyads were in charge. Around 80 or so long ships struck swiftly at multiple cities, sacking them; plundering, taking slaves of course. The Umayyads were fairly quick to respond and mobilized and defeated them south of Seville; capturing around a thousand and beheading 400 as an example - trashed their fleet too. The ones that stayed actually converted to Islam and became known as accomplished cheese-makers - go figure! Vikings never showed up for raids in that neck of the woods again.

    Now, if you told the Umayyads that eventually they’d be at the mercy of these very people across the sea while they flew about in iron horses and dropped fire on them from the sky, they would think you were literally insane.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Realist

    Note to Whites…If you snooze…you lose.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @Realist

    Note to...everyone, to be honest. It's a recurring theme of civilization...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYcXEpYWoAA7-O_.jpg

    Whites may have thought themselves immune...no surprise, EVERYONE thinks they are immune.

    I posted this on another thread...you tell me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efo26lgbeFA

    Peace.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Blinky Bill

  32. and even the others aren’t that optimistic

    Down the gutter they go too!

  33. @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine.
     
    How very Japanese of you! Do you also have a little Bonsai tree you tend everyday?

    Sorry, I jest.

    In all seriousness, that's not a bad advice. But we have a destructive culture of grandiose and misplaced expectations ("college for everyone!") - it's not a culture that rewards those who engage in the beauty, joy, and excellence in small things.

    I put a lot into training my kids in martial arts (Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). My oldest boy is nationally-ranked in both. Aside from the more immediate and tangible benefits they inherently have (good health/fitness and the ability kick ass), another reason why I emphasize them to my children is because they give an outlet, a way out of the unfairness and wickedness of the ordinary world. There is a lot of crookedness and injustices in the world - things that continually try to keep you down and make light of your sacrifices and efforts. Judo and Jiu-Jitsu have those indignities too, but not nearly as much. They are still suffused with the ethos of honor, courage, perveserance, and comraderie. They form, in many ways, a fairer, more honorable small world within the larger, more flawed, outside world. I inculcate my children in these, so as to give them an outlet, an escape from the latter.

    Of course, at least a part of me screams "Screw the small joy. Let's take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!"

    Replies: @iffen, @Jay Fink

    Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @iffen

    I would imagine that's the plan...simply projecting over time until critical mass (no pun intended for the Catholics) is reached, no?

    To be honest, that's my community's long term game plan. Head down, stay on target*.

    Peace.

    *According to all stats I've seen, we're losing about as many as we gain, but these are the kinds of guys we are losing:
    https://twitter.com/_Halaby/status/1192786268180144128

    And these are the guys we are gaining:
    https://youtu.be/xf1TAm8K3Vk?t=168

    So it's a generational effort - I assume Twinkie is thinking the same, no?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Anonymous
    @iffen

    Isn't Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Replies: @iffen

    , @Twinkie
    @iffen


    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?
     
    You might have missed this part: "Of course, at least a part of me screams..."

    The atavistic part. Not the rational, strategic part.

    Yes, I have a plan. It's a long-term plan that might take generations. But I don't want to spend too much time writing it or for you to read it. Here is a concise version. Outbreed the weirdos and teach the resultant offspring to keep the flame of civilization alive. Teach them to carry the torch to their offspring, and the latter in turn to theirs.

    Much of what is happening today is sheer madness ("no more race in medicine!"). It's unsustainable. I want there to be a cadre of the right-minded who can emerge and rebuild civilizaton when all the madness crumbles down.

    You can't beat the beast head on in a frontal assault when it commands all the institutional heights of the land. You have to go culturally insurgent, survive, and bide your time.

    Replies: @iffen

  34. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Whites: whites skew older statistically, and older people have already used up quite a bit of their remaining future. Plus, the whole White Death despair thing is a real thing. Increasingly, younger Whites can see more clearly where this is all heading.

    Blacks: the more unhappy Whites get, the happier blacks will be. The Prime Directive is, Get Whitey, even if it hurts us in the short term. Plus blacks, famous for not seeing reality clearly and for believing near-infinite amounts of nonsense and twaddle, have naturally over-valued self-esteem.

    Asians/Hispanics: these are both younger, also more immigrants in groups. Immigrants will view their new country with more optimism and potential, especially when it's being handed to them on a platter while the previous owners are ground to death.

    Missing from the chart, tellingly, are Jews. (The greatest political imperative in America right now, and one that Jews will resist to the death, is to disaggregate Jews from Whites in all racial bean-counting protocols, so that the world can see plainly where all the "privilege" really is. You better believe they'll eight-six it.)

    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can't believe this was so easy and it really worked!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EldnahYm, @Audacious Epigone

    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can’t believe this was so easy and it really worked!

    Doubtful. Ashkenazi Jews are perhaps the most neurotic people in the world.

  35. @Realist
    @Talha

    Note to Whites...If you snooze...you lose.

    Replies: @Talha

    Note to…everyone, to be honest. It’s a recurring theme of civilization…
    Whites may have thought themselves immune…no surprise, EVERYONE thinks they are immune.

    I posted this on another thread…you tell me:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @Talha

    🤣🤣🤣

    That Star Wars clip was simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest things I’ve ever seen.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Talha

    The contrast between "men" is indeed remarkable.

    Letter to his parents, March 6, 1969:

    "In another week I'll be 23. On me, on us, the young men of Israel, rests the duty of keeping our country safe. This is a heavy responsibility, which matures us early... I do not regret what I have done and what I'm about to do. I'm convinced that what I am doing is right. I believe in myself, in my country and in my future"
    Letter to his brother Benjamin, December 2, 1973:

    "We're preparing for war, and it's hard to know what to expect. What I'm positive of is that there will be a next round, and others after that. But I would rather opt for living here in continual battle than for becoming part of the wandering Jewish people. Any compromise will simply hasten the end. As I don't intend to tell my grandchildren about the Jewish State in the twentieth century as a mere brief and transient episode in thousands of years of wandering, I intend to hold on here with all my might."
    Letter to his parents, April 13, 1974:

    "I have no real girl friend at the moment. My last romance is over, and as I don't have time to run around anyway, it looks as if I'll remain on my own for the time being. . . On the whole, I've nothing to complain of. I'm up to my neck in my army work, and during leaves I move about a lot in our lovely land.
    The whole world marvels at the Inca and Aztec civilizations and such—and they do indeed deserve admiration. Nevertheless almost all of these came into being after the start of the Christian Era (not that this detracts from their value), whereas here it seems that the cradle of world civilization is all around us, everything dating back thousands and thousands of years. A few Saturdays ago I visited the Biblical Gibeon, and saw the remarkable ancient pool there (I'll take you to see it when you come). It's this pool that's mentioned in II Samuel in connection with Abner ben Ner and Joab ben Zeruiah, who 'met together by the pool of Gibeon' and let 'the young men arise and play before them.' And the country is all like that!"
    Letter to his girlfriend Bruria, Dec., 1974:

    "I told you that I had lost my innocence and my blind faith in the eternity of love. And that's a pity—truly a pity, because I want to believe in it with my whole being. If I'm skeptical, it's not about now, but about the distant future. We are separated for too long at a time for us to be bound together forever. There's something hopeless and very sad about this feeling. You asked me about a child, and I said what I did because I'm not thinking that far ahead—because a child is the most wonderful creation and the final bond between a man and a woman (at least, that's how I see it, or let's say, that's how it should be and how I'd want it to be). And I'm not thinking that far ahead because I'm not convinced it's eternal. I only wish I could free myself of this doubt."

    Replies: @neutral, @AaronB

  36. @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.
     
    Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @VinnyVette, @Beavertales

    Grow a set of balls and revolt.

    In case you haven’t figured this out yet, that isn’t much of a fresh or inspiring new idea, and just telling it to others is liable to elicit the following response: “you first.” That or we’ll believe you’re a fed poster.

    Normies have two and only two responses:
    1) “Everything is fine.”
    2) “Shoot politicians.”

    They have nothing in between those extremes, and that is why they fail, time after time. You are not helping them devise a viable alternative.

    • Replies: @VinnyVette
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Realist is correct! And you offered no alternative solutions, merely criticism. So your critique is without merit!

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    , @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    They have nothing in between those extremes,...
     
    Sometimes an extreme is necessary. You have no solution...just keep voting.

    I am 76 years old...I had a good run...I don't give a shit what you do...just keep pissing and moaning.

    It's your problem.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    , @Mark G.
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    As long as there is freedom of speech and press there's a chance for successful political action. Polling shows a majority of people under 30 support "Hate Speech" laws. Many of them come from nonwhite countries with no tradition of free speech or press and many of the younger whites have been brainwashed by the media and the educational system. Once the older generation that supports free speech and press passes away then it will be too late for political action.

    Once political action becomes impossible, don't do the following. Don't directly confront or challenge the government and don't join large groups doing that either. You make yourself visible doing that and the government will squash you as an example for everyone else thinking about it.

    What you should do is work individually or in small groups. Don't be in awe of the government. It has limited resources and can't watch everyone 24 hours a day like in "1984". It's like a giant slow moving dinosaur with a little tiny brain. Think about how it failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. You can engage in various forms of sabotage. You can also starve the beast by engaging in various forms of tax evasion, you can move to where it can't tax you, and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you'll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life. Why work hard to make a lot of money just so some politician can take most of it and give it to some welfare mom with five kids in order to buy her vote or give it to some politically connected big business in exchange for big campaign donations to enrich the politician, their family and their cronies?

    Replies: @AaronB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

  37. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    Grow a set of balls and revolt.
     
    In case you haven't figured this out yet, that isn't much of a fresh or inspiring new idea, and just telling it to others is liable to elicit the following response: "you first." That or we'll believe you're a fed poster.

    Normies have two and only two responses:
    1) "Everything is fine."
    2) "Shoot politicians."

    They have nothing in between those extremes, and that is why they fail, time after time. You are not helping them devise a viable alternative.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Realist, @Mark G.

    Realist is correct! And you offered no alternative solutions, merely criticism. So your critique is without merit!

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @VinnyVette

    A man is telling me to revolt without telling me how, where, or even why.

    You expect rootless individuals to "revolt" without any plan or idea? What is that going to do?

    Unlike some of you, I've read a lot about Irish nationalism. Irish nationalism never amounted to anything, politically, until the armed radical wing - the "Fenians" - and more restrained political types focused, with incredible intensity and single-minded purpose, on one question above all else: the question of land ownership.

    We have got to find an issue like that, one of transcendent importance to the common daily experience of white men.

    Until we do that, all we have are bitter old men telling the young to die for nothing.

  38. @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.
     
    Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @VinnyVette, @Beavertales

    Accidently hit the troll button my bad!

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @VinnyVette

    You can hit a different reaction button to override one you accidentally selected.

  39. @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    Replies: @Talha, @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    I would imagine that’s the plan…simply projecting over time until critical mass (no pun intended for the Catholics) is reached, no?

    To be honest, that’s my community’s long term game plan. Head down, stay on target*.

    Peace.

    [MORE]

    *According to all stats I’ve seen, we’re losing about as many as we gain, but these are the kinds of guys we are losing:

    And these are the guys we are gaining:

    So it’s a generational effort – I assume Twinkie is thinking the same, no?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    You're the best advocate for Islam I've ever known, virtually or otherwise. A true credit to your religion.

    Replies: @Talha

  40. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    Grow a set of balls and revolt.
     
    In case you haven't figured this out yet, that isn't much of a fresh or inspiring new idea, and just telling it to others is liable to elicit the following response: "you first." That or we'll believe you're a fed poster.

    Normies have two and only two responses:
    1) "Everything is fine."
    2) "Shoot politicians."

    They have nothing in between those extremes, and that is why they fail, time after time. You are not helping them devise a viable alternative.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Realist, @Mark G.

    They have nothing in between those extremes,…

    Sometimes an extreme is necessary. You have no solution…just keep voting.

    I am 76 years old…I had a good run…I don’t give a shit what you do…just keep pissing and moaning.

    It’s your problem.

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    You have no solution…just keep voting.
     
    You may be 76 years old, but it isn't too late for you to learn to not put words in my mouth.

    I am 76 years old…I had a good run…I don’t give a shit what you do…just keep pissing and moaning.

    It’s your problem.
     

    The old and the young have mutual duties and obligations to each other. I can tell you "don't give a shit." It shows.

    Replies: @Realist

  41. Anonymous[358] • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    Replies: @Talha, @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Isn’t Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Anonymous

    Isn’t Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Not according to them.

    Replies: @RSDB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

  42. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    You know, there are certainly things to criticize about Asians, but it’s odd that they are simultaneously criticized as 1) not producing leaders - those of great influence and power and 2) having the power and influence to inexorably alter the hitherto Garden of Eden-like American society into a place of cutthroat competition.


    the only number that matters is the under-30 child-bearing number.
     
    You know that East Asians have lower TFR than whites, right?

    Yes, the last time I strolled through the campuses at Cal, UCI and UCLA, all I could notice was those industrious Asian dry cleaners and wig makers.
     
    How many elite universities are run by Asians? Which Asians dominate the media, finance, government, entertainment?

    Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease

    It’s understandable if you just don’t feel like continuing this sort of discussion — it can grow tedious, and besides, nothing we say here will affect policy.

    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it’s a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.

    I didn’t mention UK’s TFR to discuss TFR, I used it as an example of how numbers are manipulated to conceal the truth. In any event it doesn’t matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there’s a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine. Similarly, with

    “how many elite universities are run by Asians?”

    Come now, in the current Woke climate the real question is, How many WILL BE run by…? Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.

    As to things like leadership issues you raise, a) things change and b) a thought experiment:

    Let’s say you’re the chancellor of ToDai back in Japan. There are plenty of other top technical universities in Japan, but ToDai is the one that grooms the leadership elite. Do you really want it overwhelmingly attended by high-scoring brilliant hard-working Filipinos who have no roots in Japan, who arrived less than two generations ago, who have no attachment to Japanese history, culture and tradition, who are just there to get their ticket stamped so they can get rich in the banking system?

    Yeah, me neither.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    There's not an "overseas pool of 1.3 billion immigrant bots". East Asian countries are similarily aged and even less fertile than white countries. Less than 300,000,000 people in China are college-aged.

    East Asian immigration to this country peaked decades ago and they have a very high rate of assimilation and intermarriage with white people. Which is probably the source of Germ Theory's rage. Me thinks Germ Theory of Disease is an irate Jewish female who is still reeling after having lost a potential husband to an Asian female. The online right has been flooded with such virulently anti-Asian figures in recent times, often posing as males (not just to disguise their true motives but because they are actually two-spirit intersexed organisms).

    , @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it’s a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.
     
    Done patting yourself on the back for your lack of knowledge in the actual specifics at hand ("sperg... detail")?

    In any event it doesn’t matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there’s a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine.
     
    "Grasping robots"? That's some dehumanizing talk. How seriously would you take some East Asian's view of white Americans if he were to characterize them glibly as "fat, lazy, and drug-addled hedonists"? Try to be objective and not emotion-fueled.

    Moreover, as another commenter pointed out, there is no 1.3 billion pool of potential immigrants from East Asia. This isn't the 1960's or even the 80's. There is hardly any Japanese immigration. Korean immigration has declined so much that, between the last two Censuses, the number of Americans who identify as ethnically Korean contracted in absolute terms (forget the decline in rate of growth). There is considerable immigration from China still, but today 90+% of Chinese students in the U.S. return to China, and the trajectory of Chinese immigration is inline with Japan and Korea's earlier pattern. And why would that be otherwise? China's economy is growing massively and its "tier one" cities are in some ways much more livable than many of our urban areas.

    Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.
     
    You ought to read some demographics and also Ron Unz's American meritorcracy article. In many and likely most elite universities, Jews outnumber East Asians (and that's on top of Jews dominating the bureaucracy of these institutions). In fact, Jews are trying to limit the number and percentage of East Asians at these institutions - so they share your goal. Unfortunately for you, that's not for your benefit, but that of their own. Unz makes clear that it's East Asians and non-Jewish whites who are discriminated by these institutions, so you are aiming your fire at the wrong target.

    By the way, even at the upward bounds, Chinese are 1.3% of the population in America, Japanese are 0.2%, and Koreans are 0.7%. In other words, East Asians are 2.2% of the American population. Meanwhile Jews are estimated to be about 2.6% at the upper limit.

    While you are fixated on this, Jews continue to dominate most of the major institutions of this country, all the while their actual academic merit has plummeted dramatically. Moreover, the fasted growing, the most educated, the richest, and the least assimilating "Asian" immigrant group today is... Indians.

    Replies: @Talha

  43. @Talha
    @Realist

    Note to...everyone, to be honest. It's a recurring theme of civilization...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYcXEpYWoAA7-O_.jpg

    Whites may have thought themselves immune...no surprise, EVERYONE thinks they are immune.

    I posted this on another thread...you tell me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efo26lgbeFA

    Peace.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Blinky Bill

    🤣🤣🤣

    That Star Wars clip was simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest things I’ve ever seen.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Yahya K.

    Remember this oath, remember it well:
    “By Allah, I do not fear poverty for you. Rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world, just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” - reported in Bukhari and Muslim

    I hope your Ramadan went well, may Allah swt accept all your efforts.

    Wa salaam.

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Yahya K.

    In a healthy society, men that age are reacting like that to their sons and daughters riding their bikes without training wheels for the first time, not to some movie made for teenagers.

    A neotenous society is not a natalist society.

  44. @Yahya K.
    @Talha

    🤣🤣🤣

    That Star Wars clip was simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest things I’ve ever seen.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    Remember this oath, remember it well:
    “By Allah, I do not fear poverty for you. Rather I fear you will be given the wealth of the world, just as it was given to those before you. You will compete for it just as they competed for it and it will destroy you just as it destroyed them.” – reported in Bukhari and Muslim

    I hope your Ramadan went well, may Allah swt accept all your efforts.

    Wa salaam.

  45. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    It's understandable if you just don't feel like continuing this sort of discussion -- it can grow tedious, and besides, nothing we say here will affect policy.

    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it's a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.

    I didn't mention UK's TFR to discuss TFR, I used it as an example of how numbers are manipulated to conceal the truth. In any event it doesn't matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there's a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine. Similarly, with

    "how many elite universities are run by Asians?"

    Come now, in the current Woke climate the real question is, How many WILL BE run by...? Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.

    As to things like leadership issues you raise, a) things change and b) a thought experiment:

    Let's say you're the chancellor of ToDai back in Japan. There are plenty of other top technical universities in Japan, but ToDai is the one that grooms the leadership elite. Do you really want it overwhelmingly attended by high-scoring brilliant hard-working Filipinos who have no roots in Japan, who arrived less than two generations ago, who have no attachment to Japanese history, culture and tradition, who are just there to get their ticket stamped so they can get rich in the banking system?

    Yeah, me neither.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Twinkie

    There’s not an “overseas pool of 1.3 billion immigrant bots”. East Asian countries are similarily aged and even less fertile than white countries. Less than 300,000,000 people in China are college-aged.

    East Asian immigration to this country peaked decades ago and they have a very high rate of assimilation and intermarriage with white people. Which is probably the source of Germ Theory’s rage. Me thinks Germ Theory of Disease is an irate Jewish female who is still reeling after having lost a potential husband to an Asian female. The online right has been flooded with such virulently anti-Asian figures in recent times, often posing as males (not just to disguise their true motives but because they are actually two-spirit intersexed organisms).

    • Troll: Rosie
  46. @Twinkie
    @Jay Fink


    I indulge in small pleasures such as reading this blog (among many other interests and hobbies). If you find enough simple things that make you happy you will be fine.
     
    How very Japanese of you! Do you also have a little Bonsai tree you tend everyday?

    Sorry, I jest.

    In all seriousness, that's not a bad advice. But we have a destructive culture of grandiose and misplaced expectations ("college for everyone!") - it's not a culture that rewards those who engage in the beauty, joy, and excellence in small things.

    I put a lot into training my kids in martial arts (Judo and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu). My oldest boy is nationally-ranked in both. Aside from the more immediate and tangible benefits they inherently have (good health/fitness and the ability kick ass), another reason why I emphasize them to my children is because they give an outlet, a way out of the unfairness and wickedness of the ordinary world. There is a lot of crookedness and injustices in the world - things that continually try to keep you down and make light of your sacrifices and efforts. Judo and Jiu-Jitsu have those indignities too, but not nearly as much. They are still suffused with the ethos of honor, courage, perveserance, and comraderie. They form, in many ways, a fairer, more honorable small world within the larger, more flawed, outside world. I inculcate my children in these, so as to give them an outlet, an escape from the latter.

    Of course, at least a part of me screams "Screw the small joy. Let's take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!"

    Replies: @iffen, @Jay Fink

    I think it’s a matter of stepping back and not buying into whatever pressures and expectations we are told to live up to. We can opt out. I rarely get stressed or angry over anything. A friend asked me isn’t that the easy way out? I guess so but I have no guilt or shame about it. It feels good. The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success. They channel their aggression into bad decisions and go all the way with it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Jay Fink


    The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success.
     
    This!

    Well its perfectly expressed in Sailer's idea that whites are behaving like a "defeated" people. If you internalize the message that life is about "winning" - about getting richer or more successful all the time - and then you can't do that anymore, you'll feel despair.

    And the "easy way out" thing is just shaming language to keep you in the System. Escape is for losers lol...

    Whites are behaving like a people who thought that the meaning of life was to constantly grow bigger, better, richer, and who now find that road has come to an end and they can no longer do so.

    It's a transitional phase - a person with Buddhist or Taoist assumptions about life, or any religion really, will not feel despair because he cannot have a great career and grow wealthier all the time but has to be content with a modest income and house.

    But I think things are moving in that direction. There's been an explosion in interest in camping and wilderness activities in the US. There's a growing movement of people living in their vans and wandering the country in nomadic fashion, often people with decent incomes.

    So inevitably materialism is diminishing as people adjust to new realities.

    And who are we kidding - the philosophy of growth just wasn't that much fun in the end, and couldn't go on forever.

    Replies: @Anon

  47. @Jay Fink
    @Twinkie

    I think it's a matter of stepping back and not buying into whatever pressures and expectations we are told to live up to. We can opt out. I rarely get stressed or angry over anything. A friend asked me isn't that the easy way out? I guess so but I have no guilt or shame about it. It feels good. The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success. They channel their aggression into bad decisions and go all the way with it.

    Replies: @AaronB

    The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success.

    This!

    Well its perfectly expressed in Sailer’s idea that whites are behaving like a “defeated” people. If you internalize the message that life is about “winning” – about getting richer or more successful all the time – and then you can’t do that anymore, you’ll feel despair.

    And the “easy way out” thing is just shaming language to keep you in the System. Escape is for losers lol…

    Whites are behaving like a people who thought that the meaning of life was to constantly grow bigger, better, richer, and who now find that road has come to an end and they can no longer do so.

    It’s a transitional phase – a person with Buddhist or Taoist assumptions about life, or any religion really, will not feel despair because he cannot have a great career and grow wealthier all the time but has to be content with a modest income and house.

    But I think things are moving in that direction. There’s been an explosion in interest in camping and wilderness activities in the US. There’s a growing movement of people living in their vans and wandering the country in nomadic fashion, often people with decent incomes.

    So inevitably materialism is diminishing as people adjust to new realities.

    And who are we kidding – the philosophy of growth just wasn’t that much fun in the end, and couldn’t go on forever.

    • Replies: @Anon
    @AaronB

    Seems to me like you are projecting. It is Jews who are the most driven to win, get rich, grow in wealth, etc.

    I think in our natural state, whites tend more towards the anti-materialistic outlook of the Amish or Menonites.

    N European countries and France are examples of whites trying to scale up the sort of greed-punishing equal societies that you see with the Amish in the modern world.

  48. @Talha
    @Realist

    Note to...everyone, to be honest. It's a recurring theme of civilization...
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYcXEpYWoAA7-O_.jpg

    Whites may have thought themselves immune...no surprise, EVERYONE thinks they are immune.

    I posted this on another thread...you tell me:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Efo26lgbeFA

    Peace.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @Blinky Bill

    The contrast between “men” is indeed remarkable.

    [MORE]

    Letter to his parents, March 6, 1969:

    “In another week I’ll be 23. On me, on us, the young men of Israel, rests the duty of keeping our country safe. This is a heavy responsibility, which matures us early… I do not regret what I have done and what I’m about to do. I’m convinced that what I am doing is right. I believe in myself, in my country and in my future”
    Letter to his brother Benjamin, December 2, 1973:

    “We’re preparing for war, and it’s hard to know what to expect. What I’m positive of is that there will be a next round, and others after that. But I would rather opt for living here in continual battle than for becoming part of the wandering Jewish people. Any compromise will simply hasten the end. As I don’t intend to tell my grandchildren about the Jewish State in the twentieth century as a mere brief and transient episode in thousands of years of wandering, I intend to hold on here with all my might.”
    Letter to his parents, April 13, 1974:

    “I have no real girl friend at the moment. My last romance is over, and as I don’t have time to run around anyway, it looks as if I’ll remain on my own for the time being. . . On the whole, I’ve nothing to complain of. I’m up to my neck in my army work, and during leaves I move about a lot in our lovely land.
    The whole world marvels at the Inca and Aztec civilizations and such—and they do indeed deserve admiration. Nevertheless almost all of these came into being after the start of the Christian Era (not that this detracts from their value), whereas here it seems that the cradle of world civilization is all around us, everything dating back thousands and thousands of years. A few Saturdays ago I visited the Biblical Gibeon, and saw the remarkable ancient pool there (I’ll take you to see it when you come). It’s this pool that’s mentioned in II Samuel in connection with Abner ben Ner and Joab ben Zeruiah, who ‘met together by the pool of Gibeon’ and let ‘the young men arise and play before them.’ And the country is all like that!”
    Letter to his girlfriend Bruria, Dec., 1974:

    “I told you that I had lost my innocence and my blind faith in the eternity of love. And that’s a pity—truly a pity, because I want to believe in it with my whole being. If I’m skeptical, it’s not about now, but about the distant future. We are separated for too long at a time for us to be bound together forever. There’s something hopeless and very sad about this feeling. You asked me about a child, and I said what I did because I’m not thinking that far ahead—because a child is the most wonderful creation and the final bond between a man and a woman (at least, that’s how I see it, or let’s say, that’s how it should be and how I’d want it to be). And I’m not thinking that far ahead because I’m not convinced it’s eternal. I only wish I could free myself of this doubt.”

    • Replies: @neutral
    @Blinky Bill

    Interesting, the jew coward never once in his rambling mentioning the fact that his parasite state exists because it steals taxpayer money from white nations. Its easy to be brave and butcher innocents because you get big guns handed to you for free.

    Do I also have to remind you that all mass entertainment is run by jews.

    , @AaronB
    @Blinky Bill

    Thanks.

    I remember reading Jonathan Netanyahu's letters when I was a teenager. Very moving and poetic. He was a fascinating man, a much greater man than his brother.

    I am glad others are now finding out about him too.

  49. I think people who responded that they are “always” optimistic about their future either did not understand the question, were telling the pollster what they thought the “correct” answer was, or are just kidding themselves.

    Like anyone else, I have days when I feel good and think the future looks pretty promising. I have days where I realize that if my small business is to succeed, I’ve got to get busy and work harder. Then there are the days when I find myself muttering “some days you’re the pigeon, other days you’re the statue.”

    What I am not optimistic about is the future of the country. Every major institution (the media, the leadership of both political parties, big labor, big business, organized religion, the not-for-profit sector, et al) is at the very least indifferent to if not openly hostile to the interests of middle class Americans. The ruling elite see the importation of foreigners as a way to politically neuter their (mostly white) middle class adversaries, and the acrimony and friction and dysfunction that accompanies all that “diversity” is just a cost of doing business.

    • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
  50. Is The Low Self Esteem AND High Suicide Rates because Whites in Schools k-12 And especially At Universities are constantly told they are crap? They did not always teach that way, they used to teach to make kids proud and Patriotic, The Extremely Proud History, The great Country we Became from scratch, A good Book that should be Mandated reading in the Schools Is Charles Murray’s book on Human Achievement, Most Whites in Schools now don’t know That Their Ancestors Achievements Dwarfed those of any other group (97% by Murray’s Estimate) Pat Buchanan’s Books Would all be Great Mandated Reading In Schools as He Writes with a Lot Of Pride in The USA, and mixes in how it relates to History, Learn Of Nathan Hale and Patrick Henry’s love of Country even when facing Death, The Greatness of The Constitution. They Should really work on Increasing The Self Esteem and Lowering The Suicide Rates, Through The School AND Job System, Buchanan in a couple of his books talked about what keeps Countries Together and how the idiots in charge are eliminating things that keep a Country together and replacing it with things that pull it apart.

    • Agree: Mr. Rational
    • Replies: @Jedi Night
    @USA 1943

    White suicide and low self esteem are built in, observable in all White societies. It is not a product of any political brainwashing.

    White men especially are self sacrificial. It is the genius of the White race. Our sense of sacrifice and duty to others is the very core of what made our societies great.

    I daresay it is why Christ speaks to us so powerfully.

  51. @Blinky Bill
    @Talha

    The contrast between "men" is indeed remarkable.

    Letter to his parents, March 6, 1969:

    "In another week I'll be 23. On me, on us, the young men of Israel, rests the duty of keeping our country safe. This is a heavy responsibility, which matures us early... I do not regret what I have done and what I'm about to do. I'm convinced that what I am doing is right. I believe in myself, in my country and in my future"
    Letter to his brother Benjamin, December 2, 1973:

    "We're preparing for war, and it's hard to know what to expect. What I'm positive of is that there will be a next round, and others after that. But I would rather opt for living here in continual battle than for becoming part of the wandering Jewish people. Any compromise will simply hasten the end. As I don't intend to tell my grandchildren about the Jewish State in the twentieth century as a mere brief and transient episode in thousands of years of wandering, I intend to hold on here with all my might."
    Letter to his parents, April 13, 1974:

    "I have no real girl friend at the moment. My last romance is over, and as I don't have time to run around anyway, it looks as if I'll remain on my own for the time being. . . On the whole, I've nothing to complain of. I'm up to my neck in my army work, and during leaves I move about a lot in our lovely land.
    The whole world marvels at the Inca and Aztec civilizations and such—and they do indeed deserve admiration. Nevertheless almost all of these came into being after the start of the Christian Era (not that this detracts from their value), whereas here it seems that the cradle of world civilization is all around us, everything dating back thousands and thousands of years. A few Saturdays ago I visited the Biblical Gibeon, and saw the remarkable ancient pool there (I'll take you to see it when you come). It's this pool that's mentioned in II Samuel in connection with Abner ben Ner and Joab ben Zeruiah, who 'met together by the pool of Gibeon' and let 'the young men arise and play before them.' And the country is all like that!"
    Letter to his girlfriend Bruria, Dec., 1974:

    "I told you that I had lost my innocence and my blind faith in the eternity of love. And that's a pity—truly a pity, because I want to believe in it with my whole being. If I'm skeptical, it's not about now, but about the distant future. We are separated for too long at a time for us to be bound together forever. There's something hopeless and very sad about this feeling. You asked me about a child, and I said what I did because I'm not thinking that far ahead—because a child is the most wonderful creation and the final bond between a man and a woman (at least, that's how I see it, or let's say, that's how it should be and how I'd want it to be). And I'm not thinking that far ahead because I'm not convinced it's eternal. I only wish I could free myself of this doubt."

    Replies: @neutral, @AaronB

    Interesting, the jew coward never once in his rambling mentioning the fact that his parasite state exists because it steals taxpayer money from white nations. Its easy to be brave and butcher innocents because you get big guns handed to you for free.

    Do I also have to remind you that all mass entertainment is run by jews.

  52. @Blinky Bill
    @Talha

    The contrast between "men" is indeed remarkable.

    Letter to his parents, March 6, 1969:

    "In another week I'll be 23. On me, on us, the young men of Israel, rests the duty of keeping our country safe. This is a heavy responsibility, which matures us early... I do not regret what I have done and what I'm about to do. I'm convinced that what I am doing is right. I believe in myself, in my country and in my future"
    Letter to his brother Benjamin, December 2, 1973:

    "We're preparing for war, and it's hard to know what to expect. What I'm positive of is that there will be a next round, and others after that. But I would rather opt for living here in continual battle than for becoming part of the wandering Jewish people. Any compromise will simply hasten the end. As I don't intend to tell my grandchildren about the Jewish State in the twentieth century as a mere brief and transient episode in thousands of years of wandering, I intend to hold on here with all my might."
    Letter to his parents, April 13, 1974:

    "I have no real girl friend at the moment. My last romance is over, and as I don't have time to run around anyway, it looks as if I'll remain on my own for the time being. . . On the whole, I've nothing to complain of. I'm up to my neck in my army work, and during leaves I move about a lot in our lovely land.
    The whole world marvels at the Inca and Aztec civilizations and such—and they do indeed deserve admiration. Nevertheless almost all of these came into being after the start of the Christian Era (not that this detracts from their value), whereas here it seems that the cradle of world civilization is all around us, everything dating back thousands and thousands of years. A few Saturdays ago I visited the Biblical Gibeon, and saw the remarkable ancient pool there (I'll take you to see it when you come). It's this pool that's mentioned in II Samuel in connection with Abner ben Ner and Joab ben Zeruiah, who 'met together by the pool of Gibeon' and let 'the young men arise and play before them.' And the country is all like that!"
    Letter to his girlfriend Bruria, Dec., 1974:

    "I told you that I had lost my innocence and my blind faith in the eternity of love. And that's a pity—truly a pity, because I want to believe in it with my whole being. If I'm skeptical, it's not about now, but about the distant future. We are separated for too long at a time for us to be bound together forever. There's something hopeless and very sad about this feeling. You asked me about a child, and I said what I did because I'm not thinking that far ahead—because a child is the most wonderful creation and the final bond between a man and a woman (at least, that's how I see it, or let's say, that's how it should be and how I'd want it to be). And I'm not thinking that far ahead because I'm not convinced it's eternal. I only wish I could free myself of this doubt."

    Replies: @neutral, @AaronB

    Thanks.

    I remember reading Jonathan Netanyahu’s letters when I was a teenager. Very moving and poetic. He was a fascinating man, a much greater man than his brother.

    I am glad others are now finding out about him too.

  53. @Anonymous
    @iffen

    Isn't Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Replies: @iffen

    Isn’t Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Not according to them.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    @iffen

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @Twinkie

    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @iffen

    Regarding the laity, the vast majority of them are not degenerates or weirdos. At standard Novus Ordo parishes, however, to a large degree they are the very elderly, Boomers, and a few young people. A large number of these are lukewarm.

    Traditional lay people, obviously, tend to be far more convicted.

    Regarding the hierachy, the Catholic Church today consists of a fairly small but immensely determined and brave number of faithful resisting the efforts of a large number of weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers who are trying to permanently turn the Church into a big nothing-burger and a Masonic parody of itself.

    This dynamic received some notable media attention when a young Chad Trad Austrian Catholic barged into a Roman church and threw the Pachamama idols into the Tiber. The idols were there because the weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers don't believe in Jesus Christ; they believe in Judeo-Masonic New World Order Globohomo bullshit. The Austrian was met with warmth by many of the traditional, or more conservative, hierarchs, and received silence from the weak.

    Obviously I celebrated this defiant defense of the rights of God.

    Replies: @iffen

  54. @iffen
    @Anonymous

    Isn’t Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Not according to them.

    Replies: @RSDB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @RSDB

    Public policy debate: Is there a case to be made that Pornhub is a national health necessity?
    https://twitter.com/VeryCool_Mathew/status/1264415747649888256

    Lack of Pornhub may kill more people in the long run than Covid.

    And if you don't think so...shut up Boomer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @RSDB

    , @RSDB
    @RSDB


    Disagree: John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
     
    You don't think sin is a degeneration?

    Or do you object to the phrasing? The phrasing wasn't mine, and I wouldn't ordinarily have used it if I hadn't been quoting the preceding conversation for rhetorical effect, but I think what I was getting at was both orthodox and fairly clear, no?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    , @Twinkie
    @RSDB


    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.
     
    Absolutely - Christ didn't come to save the pure and the perfect. He came to save the fallen and the depraved. But that doesn't mean we want the degenerates in charge of the society.
  55. @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    You can say that, but the real question is, what can we do about it? You tell me. No one else seems to have any clue.
     
    Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @VinnyVette, @Beavertales

    “Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process.”

    Men with balls or guns are too threatening. In Britain, Australia and New Zealand they’ve gone to symbolic castration (firearms destruction) to ensure the men feel defeated.

    New Zealand has a ‘gun crusher’ device for ritualistic and psychological purposes.

    A man can see his AR15 being destroyed before his eyes, and take home a new perspective on the power relationship between himself and the state.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @Beavertales

    Yes, many white men allow the removal of their balls.

  56. Why am I so depressed?

    🙁 🙁 🙁

    • Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @216

    I get the rhetoric, but mightn't someone point out (without even challenging the BS "blacks built everythang") that even if you did build something for free, you actually DON'T have the right to burn it down whenever you feel like?

    Replies: @216

    , @Mr. Rational
    @216

    You're depressed because you take the propaganda created by the happy merchants and inculated into and repeated by tar monsters as something to be taken seriously.

    They're color-coded for a reason.  When the time comes, that's the uniform of the enemy and no prisoners will be taken.  And those repeating the propaganda who look like us?  Keep a little list, because they are the head of the snake.

    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @216

    It does get a bit tiresome when black victims of police aggression - I depreciate the militarized police as much as anyone - get so much attention whereas Randy Weaver is a "fringe figure" or something.

    Replies: @216

  57. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    Grow a set of balls and revolt.
     
    In case you haven't figured this out yet, that isn't much of a fresh or inspiring new idea, and just telling it to others is liable to elicit the following response: "you first." That or we'll believe you're a fed poster.

    Normies have two and only two responses:
    1) "Everything is fine."
    2) "Shoot politicians."

    They have nothing in between those extremes, and that is why they fail, time after time. You are not helping them devise a viable alternative.

    Replies: @VinnyVette, @Realist, @Mark G.

    As long as there is freedom of speech and press there’s a chance for successful political action. Polling shows a majority of people under 30 support “Hate Speech” laws. Many of them come from nonwhite countries with no tradition of free speech or press and many of the younger whites have been brainwashed by the media and the educational system. Once the older generation that supports free speech and press passes away then it will be too late for political action.

    Once political action becomes impossible, don’t do the following. Don’t directly confront or challenge the government and don’t join large groups doing that either. You make yourself visible doing that and the government will squash you as an example for everyone else thinking about it.

    What you should do is work individually or in small groups. Don’t be in awe of the government. It has limited resources and can’t watch everyone 24 hours a day like in “1984”. It’s like a giant slow moving dinosaur with a little tiny brain. Think about how it failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. You can engage in various forms of sabotage. You can also starve the beast by engaging in various forms of tax evasion, you can move to where it can’t tax you, and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you’ll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life. Why work hard to make a lot of money just so some politician can take most of it and give it to some welfare mom with five kids in order to buy her vote or give it to some politically connected big business in exchange for big campaign donations to enrich the politician, their family and their cronies?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mark G.


    and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you’ll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life.
     
    It will be a return to Merrie Old England...
    , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Mark G.

    Now, this is an actual comment. Thanks.

    See my other reply, to VinnyVette. We have to find a way to cut through all the bullshit, and all of the cringe "revolt! shoot feds!" nonsense, and organize better politically - not just by "voting" either, which is the mistake people like Realist make.

    And, if after that, they try to crush us, well, by that point, we'll be organized enough to respond.

    People like Realist aren't actually realistic. The idea that there's only two alternatives - ballots or becoming Robert Bowers - is typical of the pathetic lack of imagination and morality frequently endemic to otherwise well-meaning modern American whites. I wonder what Tocqueville would say about our lack of intermediate civil society .... Americans who say shit like "Revolt!" have no conception of collective action outside the government apparatus. The Irish radicals knew better; during the so-called Tan War, yes, they fought the Brits in the streets and fields, but they also went about organizing alternative political institutions, notably the Dail Courts. Here they were building on the momentum of a past generation's more peaceful but no less serious efforts, as with Gaelic football.

  58. @Mark G.
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    As long as there is freedom of speech and press there's a chance for successful political action. Polling shows a majority of people under 30 support "Hate Speech" laws. Many of them come from nonwhite countries with no tradition of free speech or press and many of the younger whites have been brainwashed by the media and the educational system. Once the older generation that supports free speech and press passes away then it will be too late for political action.

    Once political action becomes impossible, don't do the following. Don't directly confront or challenge the government and don't join large groups doing that either. You make yourself visible doing that and the government will squash you as an example for everyone else thinking about it.

    What you should do is work individually or in small groups. Don't be in awe of the government. It has limited resources and can't watch everyone 24 hours a day like in "1984". It's like a giant slow moving dinosaur with a little tiny brain. Think about how it failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. You can engage in various forms of sabotage. You can also starve the beast by engaging in various forms of tax evasion, you can move to where it can't tax you, and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you'll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life. Why work hard to make a lot of money just so some politician can take most of it and give it to some welfare mom with five kids in order to buy her vote or give it to some politically connected big business in exchange for big campaign donations to enrich the politician, their family and their cronies?

    Replies: @AaronB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you’ll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life.

    It will be a return to Merrie Old England…

  59. @RSDB
    @iffen

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @Twinkie

    Public policy debate: Is there a case to be made that Pornhub is a national health necessity?

    Lack of Pornhub may kill more people in the long run than Covid.

    And if you don’t think so…shut up Boomer.

    Peace.

    • LOL: RSDB
    • Replies: @RSDB
    @Talha

    I have to wonder: where do you find these things?

    Replies: @Talha

  60. @216
    Why am I so depressed?

    https://twitter.com/solomongeorgio/status/1266048968577839104

    :( :( :(

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Mr. Rational, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I get the rhetoric, but mightn’t someone point out (without even challenging the BS “blacks built everythang”) that even if you did build something for free, you actually DON’T have the right to burn it down whenever you feel like?

    • Replies: @216
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    No one does anything about this clear instigation of violence.

    The only people we have to protect us are the GOP and Conservative Inc.

    And they do nothing.

  61. @Athletic and Whitesplosive
    @216

    I get the rhetoric, but mightn't someone point out (without even challenging the BS "blacks built everythang") that even if you did build something for free, you actually DON'T have the right to burn it down whenever you feel like?

    Replies: @216

    No one does anything about this clear instigation of violence.

    The only people we have to protect us are the GOP and Conservative Inc.

    And they do nothing.

  62. @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    They have nothing in between those extremes,...
     
    Sometimes an extreme is necessary. You have no solution...just keep voting.

    I am 76 years old...I had a good run...I don't give a shit what you do...just keep pissing and moaning.

    It's your problem.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You have no solution…just keep voting.

    You may be 76 years old, but it isn’t too late for you to learn to not put words in my mouth.

    I am 76 years old…I had a good run…I don’t give a shit what you do…just keep pissing and moaning.

    It’s your problem.

    The old and the young have mutual duties and obligations to each other. I can tell you “don’t give a shit.” It shows.

    • Replies: @Realist
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan


    The old and the young have mutual duties and obligations to each other.
     
    I have no obligation to you...I gave you a solution...you didn't like it, so piss off.

    You still haven't given your solution.

  63. @VinnyVette
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Realist is correct! And you offered no alternative solutions, merely criticism. So your critique is without merit!

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    A man is telling me to revolt without telling me how, where, or even why.

    You expect rootless individuals to “revolt” without any plan or idea? What is that going to do?

    Unlike some of you, I’ve read a lot about Irish nationalism. Irish nationalism never amounted to anything, politically, until the armed radical wing – the “Fenians” – and more restrained political types focused, with incredible intensity and single-minded purpose, on one question above all else: the question of land ownership.

    We have got to find an issue like that, one of transcendent importance to the common daily experience of white men.

    Until we do that, all we have are bitter old men telling the young to die for nothing.

  64. @Mark G.
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    As long as there is freedom of speech and press there's a chance for successful political action. Polling shows a majority of people under 30 support "Hate Speech" laws. Many of them come from nonwhite countries with no tradition of free speech or press and many of the younger whites have been brainwashed by the media and the educational system. Once the older generation that supports free speech and press passes away then it will be too late for political action.

    Once political action becomes impossible, don't do the following. Don't directly confront or challenge the government and don't join large groups doing that either. You make yourself visible doing that and the government will squash you as an example for everyone else thinking about it.

    What you should do is work individually or in small groups. Don't be in awe of the government. It has limited resources and can't watch everyone 24 hours a day like in "1984". It's like a giant slow moving dinosaur with a little tiny brain. Think about how it failed in Vietnam and Afghanistan. You can engage in various forms of sabotage. You can also starve the beast by engaging in various forms of tax evasion, you can move to where it can't tax you, and you can just work less and enjoy life. I predict in the future you'll see more and more young white males turning into slacker types not working very hard and just enjoying life. Why work hard to make a lot of money just so some politician can take most of it and give it to some welfare mom with five kids in order to buy her vote or give it to some politically connected big business in exchange for big campaign donations to enrich the politician, their family and their cronies?

    Replies: @AaronB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Now, this is an actual comment. Thanks.

    See my other reply, to VinnyVette. We have to find a way to cut through all the bullshit, and all of the cringe “revolt! shoot feds!” nonsense, and organize better politically – not just by “voting” either, which is the mistake people like Realist make.

    And, if after that, they try to crush us, well, by that point, we’ll be organized enough to respond.

    People like Realist aren’t actually realistic. The idea that there’s only two alternatives – ballots or becoming Robert Bowers – is typical of the pathetic lack of imagination and morality frequently endemic to otherwise well-meaning modern American whites. I wonder what Tocqueville would say about our lack of intermediate civil society …. Americans who say shit like “Revolt!” have no conception of collective action outside the government apparatus. The Irish radicals knew better; during the so-called Tan War, yes, they fought the Brits in the streets and fields, but they also went about organizing alternative political institutions, notably the Dail Courts. Here they were building on the momentum of a past generation’s more peaceful but no less serious efforts, as with Gaelic football.

    • Agree: iffen
  65. @216
    Why am I so depressed?

    https://twitter.com/solomongeorgio/status/1266048968577839104

    :( :( :(

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Mr. Rational, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You’re depressed because you take the propaganda created by the happy merchants and inculated into and repeated by tar monsters as something to be taken seriously.

    They’re color-coded for a reason.  When the time comes, that’s the uniform of the enemy and no prisoners will be taken.  And those repeating the propaganda who look like us?  Keep a little list, because they are the head of the snake.

    • Disagree: Corvinus
  66. @RSDB
    @iffen

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @Twinkie

    Disagree: John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    You don’t think sin is a degeneration?

    Or do you object to the phrasing? The phrasing wasn’t mine, and I wouldn’t ordinarily have used it if I hadn’t been quoting the preceding conversation for rhetorical effect, but I think what I was getting at was both orthodox and fairly clear, no?

    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @RSDB

    I objected to the phrasing.

    Forgive me; I'm not familiar with your content here.

    Thanks for the clarification!

  67. @Talha
    @RSDB

    Public policy debate: Is there a case to be made that Pornhub is a national health necessity?
    https://twitter.com/VeryCool_Mathew/status/1264415747649888256

    Lack of Pornhub may kill more people in the long run than Covid.

    And if you don't think so...shut up Boomer.

    Peace.

    Replies: @RSDB

    I have to wonder: where do you find these things?

    • Replies: @Talha
    @RSDB

    MT (Muslim Twitter). We also monitor the increasing degeneracy in the wider society in order to keep abreast of the decline.

    Peace.

  68. @USA 1943
    Is The Low Self Esteem AND High Suicide Rates because Whites in Schools k-12 And especially At Universities are constantly told they are crap? They did not always teach that way, they used to teach to make kids proud and Patriotic, The Extremely Proud History, The great Country we Became from scratch, A good Book that should be Mandated reading in the Schools Is Charles Murray's book on Human Achievement, Most Whites in Schools now don't know That Their Ancestors Achievements Dwarfed those of any other group (97% by Murray's Estimate) Pat Buchanan's Books Would all be Great Mandated Reading In Schools as He Writes with a Lot Of Pride in The USA, and mixes in how it relates to History, Learn Of Nathan Hale and Patrick Henry's love of Country even when facing Death, The Greatness of The Constitution. They Should really work on Increasing The Self Esteem and Lowering The Suicide Rates, Through The School AND Job System, Buchanan in a couple of his books talked about what keeps Countries Together and how the idiots in charge are eliminating things that keep a Country together and replacing it with things that pull it apart.

    Replies: @Jedi Night

    White suicide and low self esteem are built in, observable in all White societies. It is not a product of any political brainwashing.

    White men especially are self sacrificial. It is the genius of the White race. Our sense of sacrifice and duty to others is the very core of what made our societies great.

    I daresay it is why Christ speaks to us so powerfully.

    • Agree: USA 1943
  69. @RSDB
    @RSDB


    Disagree: John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
     
    You don't think sin is a degeneration?

    Or do you object to the phrasing? The phrasing wasn't mine, and I wouldn't ordinarily have used it if I hadn't been quoting the preceding conversation for rhetorical effect, but I think what I was getting at was both orthodox and fairly clear, no?

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I objected to the phrasing.

    Forgive me; I’m not familiar with your content here.

    Thanks for the clarification!

    • Thanks: RSDB
  70. @iffen
    @Anonymous

    Isn’t Catholicism full of weirdos and degenerates?

    Not according to them.

    Replies: @RSDB, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Regarding the laity, the vast majority of them are not degenerates or weirdos. At standard Novus Ordo parishes, however, to a large degree they are the very elderly, Boomers, and a few young people. A large number of these are lukewarm.

    Traditional lay people, obviously, tend to be far more convicted.

    Regarding the hierachy, the Catholic Church today consists of a fairly small but immensely determined and brave number of faithful resisting the efforts of a large number of weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers who are trying to permanently turn the Church into a big nothing-burger and a Masonic parody of itself.

    This dynamic received some notable media attention when a young Chad Trad Austrian Catholic barged into a Roman church and threw the Pachamama idols into the Tiber. The idols were there because the weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers don’t believe in Jesus Christ; they believe in Judeo-Masonic New World Order Globohomo bullshit. The Austrian was met with warmth by many of the traditional, or more conservative, hierarchs, and received silence from the weak.

    Obviously I celebrated this defiant defense of the rights of God.

    • Agree: RSDB
    • Replies: @iffen
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    Regarding the laity, the vast majority of them are not degenerates or weirdos.

    I was thinking of the clerics and not the laity. I certainly don't think that the laity is more degenerate than the members of any other religion. I do think that the Church has a homosexual problem and the protectors extend all the way to Rome.

  71. @216
    Why am I so depressed?

    https://twitter.com/solomongeorgio/status/1266048968577839104

    :( :( :(

    Replies: @Athletic and Whitesplosive, @Mr. Rational, @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    It does get a bit tiresome when black victims of police aggression – I depreciate the militarized police as much as anyone – get so much attention whereas Randy Weaver is a “fringe figure” or something.

    • Replies: @216
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    HornOfAfricaHate

    https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1266076603957874689

    Why won't anyone in Con Inc call for banning the people who glee in the deaths of our soldiers?

  72. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @216

    It does get a bit tiresome when black victims of police aggression - I depreciate the militarized police as much as anyone - get so much attention whereas Randy Weaver is a "fringe figure" or something.

    Replies: @216

    HornOfAfricaHate

    Why won’t anyone in Con Inc call for banning the people who glee in the deaths of our soldiers?

  73. His whole account is a malestrom of hate.

    And it genuinely scares me.

    The system does nothing to stop it, and eggs it on whenever it can.

  74. @RSDB
    @Talha

    I have to wonder: where do you find these things?

    Replies: @Talha

    MT (Muslim Twitter). We also monitor the increasing degeneracy in the wider society in order to keep abreast of the decline.

    Peace.

  75. Whites in general and white males in particular, especially young males under 50, have yet to identify the enemy. Once (if) they do things will change in a hurry. For those who have trouble IDing this enemy, it is: primarily the media, after that in no particular order come, white academics and politicians who are cucking to save their jobs. There you have it. How do you fight the media? Show you can’t be bought and IGNORE it. Find new avenues, start your own blogs, but be inclusive. I’m not talking about including the LGBT+, they’re poison. I’m saying speak truth to God, family and morals to people of all colors, concentrate on bringing everyone together around that flag. I think you will be surprised by how many will gather around it.

  76. @Twinkie
    I am not worried about MY future. I am worried about the future of my children (and, hopefully, grandchildren) and their peers - their fellow young Americans.

    I made my bed and am going to lie down in it, come what may. But my children and their peers didn't make the choice. We, the present generation, did for them. So I feel responsible for their fate.

    Replies: @MBlanc46

    It’s not easy facing my demise seeing how badly my generation screwed up the nation that was bequeathed to us.

    • Agree: iffen
  77. Unicorn Riot openly breaks the law, and encourages others to do the same.

    Violent communists are allowed to use Twitter with impunity.

    Law-abiding nationalist right are allowed nothing.

    • Replies: @216
    @216

    Notice how Communism is not policed

    But we are

    https://twitter.com/letsgomathias/status/1266210974580817922

  78. @216
    Unicorn Riot openly breaks the law, and encourages others to do the same.

    Violent communists are allowed to use Twitter with impunity.

    Law-abiding nationalist right are allowed nothing.


    https://twitter.com/UR_Ninja/status/1266206034260975616

    Replies: @216

    Notice how Communism is not policed

    But we are

  79. @Divine Right

    Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.
     
    That something is diversity and multiculturalism. Humans have a natural in-group preference and work best within that context; that's what they desire and how they've been designed to think. All of those other demographics are permitted to have their own group identities, which bolsters their outlook on life. Blacks, for example, have television networks, movies, graduation ceremonies, magazines, and holidays all for their own kind. Asians have Chinatowns and their civilization back in Asia to look up to. Hispanics have their home countries, Spanish language American television, and a media that defends them. Each of those groups also has a political party, the democrats, which expressly works to further their racial group aims and comforts, including fielding candidates along those identitarian lines. What do whites have?

    Whites have nothing of the sort, are constantly berated, have their work stolen from them (taxes, affirmative action, race-swapping literature and movies) and given to other groups that openly resent their existence. They also don't have Europe to look up to anymore because schools are removing Western Civilization from school curricula:

    Yale Daily News

    Decades old and once taught by famous Yale professors like Vincent Scully, “Introduction to Art History: Renaissance to the Present” was once touted to be one of Yale College’s quintessential classes. But this change is the latest response to student uneasiness over an idealized Western “canon” — a product of an overwhelmingly white, straight, European and male cadre of artists.

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/01/24/art-history-department-to-scrap-survey-course/
     
    Half of whites are psychologically disturbed, and thus hate the other half along with themselves. The end result is that whites are a defeated people. Without a cohesive group, they are psychologically unmoored in a cruel, uncaring world where they are easy prey for aggressive predators.

    Whites have tried to compensate for the loss of ethnic (and now national) identity by joining bizarre fringe groups that, not coincidentally, are overwhelmingly white: environmentalism, antifa, feminism, neighborhood watches, right-wing MAGA patriotism, Christian Zionism, New Atheism, videogame subcultures, comic books, men's rights, and progressive liberalism -- among many examples. This also includes activities such a sports (tennis and golf over predominantly black basketball and football).

    However, diversity requirements are increasingly taking even that away. NASCAR, for example, used to be very popular among white Southerners. Like soccer, though, it's boring ... so why was it ever popular in the first place? Answer: it provided for some measure of group identity and interaction; almost all fans were middle-class whites. People enjoy idolizing people who look like them, and they enjoy going out and being with people who act like them (the crowds were nearly all white). But then NASCAR had a change of leadership. They got politically correct and banned the confederate flag, recruited minorities through outreach programs, changed up the leader board system to make it more "exciting" to a younger demographic, and they moved into other regions. Result: NASCAR is now a dead sport. Decades of popularity ended in a fizzle of apathy. Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.

    We've reached a nadir in white ability to exist within groups of their own kind. American history has been defined as a steady loss in the ability of whites to have their own spaces. First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics, ultimately culminating in the removal of prayer from schools. Then smaller group associations were lost through the Civil Rights Act. Then employment through affirmative action. Then artistic communities like Hollywood, comics, and videogames through HR departments and social media outrage mobs. Then American patriotism itself was lost as the flag was declared racist ...

    ... whites have run out of places to hide.

    It's amazing how much of what's wrong with whites can be explained by a loss of group cohesion. One example among countless others: why do many conservative whites reject the science of evolution? Detractors might be tempted to say that conservatives are uneducated or stupid, but that's not really true. White republican IQs are roughly the same as the Western European average and far above Eastern Europe and the global average. Whites, even conservative whites, are quite well educated. The real reason lies in group identity politics. Whites are denied an ethnic identity for themselves, so they've embraced fringe movements like Young Earth Creationism as a means of fostering group identity. Because they have no other group to fall back on, they are forced to defend wacky things in order to defend their group identity. As with NASCAR, it's really all about the community ... even if it's dumb.

    Unmoored from identity, whites are psychologically disturbed. Moored to an unhealthy identity, whites act counter-productively and become insular in outlook. This is most true when whites have no fall back identity left for them. And they are denied the healthiest, most natural identity that all other groups have: ethnic and racial affiliation.

    American Indians are in the same boat as whites because there are few of them left; reservations are relatively sparsely populated, landlocked, and poor; autonomy exists only with the permission of the federal government. They don't have an adequately sized, cohesive group to work within and they are largely ignored by the media, so they don't get the psychological protection blacks get. The end result is apathy, nihilism, poverty of spirit and finance, and ultimately suicide. They don't know themselves, so they know only misery.

    Whites have compensated for this loss of identity with toxic individualism, expressed succinctly in the rather bizarre American philosophy of libertarianism. White Americans have built a cult around not contributing to their communities in any form -- taxes, face masks, temporary quarantines, government. They care first and foremost about keeping their heads down so they can maximize personal comfort. Thus, corporations that censor us go unregulated because that requires effort to stop; whites like Central Park Karen are subject to hypocritical attacks from racists because whites won't mount an effective group response; and the government becomes oppressive because whites have vacated the battlefield, allowing their enemies to monopolize it for their own benefit.

    Whites believed they could get all of their creature comforts if only they could brainwash racial minorities into a libertarian culture of "no one take anything from anyone else." In that world, whites are free to do whatever they want while not contributing anything themselves (i.e. having their work taken from them and appropriated by others, often racial groups that don't like them). But that worldview, like Soviet communism, was a delusion. Non-Asian whites on average have fewer things than whites. Non-Asian whites are also more aggressive, cohesive, and racist while being less empathetic towards others. Such a dynamic always results in conflict. And those who vacate every battlefield inevitably lose the war. You can't just psyche out an enemy determined to fight you.

    Poorer racial minorities see you as having things they want, so they will take from you while you are powerless to stop them. You are powerless because you lack a sizable, powerful, and cohesive group ready to work together as one to crush your rivals as a team using any means necessary, including not playing fair (another disadvantage whites have: they are dogmatists who play by imaginary rules others don't follow).

    This dynamic you see playing out in the United States has already happened in black-majority Zimbabwe, formerly white-run Rhodesia (turned over to the majority black population just as South Africa was in the early 90s). Poor blacks, envious and hateful of whites, decided to simply take what they did not earn themselves from others in a fit of rage. In Zimbabwe, they stole white farms and drove Europeans out of the country with violence, essentially state-sanctioned. They justified it with various bigotries and blood libels aimed at whites. And they got away with it because whites were powerless to stop them. What good was individualist dogma and rhetoric for the whites of Zimbabwe?

    Zimbabwe 'on brink of man-made starvation', UN warns

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-50586514

    Zim to give back farms taken under land reform programme

    https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB
     
    A similar dynamic has also played out for decades across Central and South America: poorer, darker skinned ethnic minorities become envious of a self-interested, venal elite, seize power and then redistribute things to themselves -- usually to disastrous effect. And it's coming to America soon. The democrats spent much of the 2020 primary season debating reparations for blacks, despite that group already being the beneficiaries of trillions of dollars in welfare spending, a generation of positive media coverage, and myriad economic opportunities they wouldn't have had back in Africa. Do you really think things won't play out here the same way they have everywhere else?

    Whites are a defeated people because they no longer have a group of their own. Saving whites means changing this dynamic.

    As always, White people are more able to see ahead and judge what is coming
     
    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Corvinus, @Achmed E. Newman

    “That something is diversity and multiculturalism.”

    Except America was built on it, ranging at first from different European stocks, then mixing in African slaves and conquered indigenous tribes, along with the Mexicans (thanks, Polk!), Chinese (western railroads), and other assortments. Indeed, Americans as mutts have a natural in-group preference, with each race and ethnicity embracing their own social features and cultural features.

    I think you severely underestimate whites as a group who are generally pleased with their lives and progress. Yes, there are increasing health issues (medical and mental) among a segment of the white population, and there must be solutions created to address those abject concerns. Yes, white Americans are divided and polarized, but that does not mean they are defeated or are on the verge of being conquered.

    While I realize I am able to provide only anecdotal evidence, in my family, work, and peer group, the super majority of whites are proud of their lifestyles and accomplishments. They do not act or feel defeated, or are deathly afraid of being overrun by “vibrants” and “foreign hordes”. The “fringe groups” you incorrectly label are associations and organizations that whites created for personal enjoyment. There is observably nothing wrong with desiring to be among your kind of people who hold similar preferences, including “sportsball”. I get it, though, a perceived idyllic life is being “taken” from you. But perhaps you never really owned it. We whites are not hiding anywhere. We just happen to be proud in a way that is different to you, and have formed groups that demonstrate an identity that conceptually is confusing and foreign to you. That can be scary.

    “First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics…”

    Perhaps your sentiments here is why there is division among whites today?

    • Replies: @Anon
    @Corvinus

    You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now.

    For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially "compatible." This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish.

    Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down. The USA hoped that such people would eventually be "assimilated" (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn't really happen.

    By the way, the total percentage of Jewish and Chinese immigrants in the past is Dwarfed by the relative percentages of Hispanic immigrants. The numbers of Chinese immigrants in the 1800's was very small.

    But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the "compatible" ones), because we "were always multicultural."

    When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or "Christian" country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?

    This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question. I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation.

    Is the black-white diversity of the USA's past something that was good for us? Or was it a source of constant strife and tragedy?

    At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will. This is why whites retreat into something more specific; it is the best we can do to put together some ineffectual communities, which is better than nothing.

    To thump my chest about the USA being diverse is a joke. I have no reason to be proud of people who are so different from me that they are in different communities that I will not join. It only makes sense to be proud of yourself and your kin.

    Viva la division!

    Replies: @Corvinus

  80. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    @Twinkie

    It's understandable if you just don't feel like continuing this sort of discussion -- it can grow tedious, and besides, nothing we say here will affect policy.

    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it's a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.

    I didn't mention UK's TFR to discuss TFR, I used it as an example of how numbers are manipulated to conceal the truth. In any event it doesn't matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there's a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine. Similarly, with

    "how many elite universities are run by Asians?"

    Come now, in the current Woke climate the real question is, How many WILL BE run by...? Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.

    As to things like leadership issues you raise, a) things change and b) a thought experiment:

    Let's say you're the chancellor of ToDai back in Japan. There are plenty of other top technical universities in Japan, but ToDai is the one that grooms the leadership elite. Do you really want it overwhelmingly attended by high-scoring brilliant hard-working Filipinos who have no roots in Japan, who arrived less than two generations ago, who have no attachment to Japanese history, culture and tradition, who are just there to get their ticket stamped so they can get rich in the banking system?

    Yeah, me neither.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood, @Twinkie

    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it’s a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.

    Done patting yourself on the back for your lack of knowledge in the actual specifics at hand (“sperg… detail”)?

    In any event it doesn’t matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there’s a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine.

    “Grasping robots”? That’s some dehumanizing talk. How seriously would you take some East Asian’s view of white Americans if he were to characterize them glibly as “fat, lazy, and drug-addled hedonists”? Try to be objective and not emotion-fueled.

    Moreover, as another commenter pointed out, there is no 1.3 billion pool of potential immigrants from East Asia. This isn’t the 1960’s or even the 80’s. There is hardly any Japanese immigration. Korean immigration has declined so much that, between the last two Censuses, the number of Americans who identify as ethnically Korean contracted in absolute terms (forget the decline in rate of growth). There is considerable immigration from China still, but today 90+% of Chinese students in the U.S. return to China, and the trajectory of Chinese immigration is inline with Japan and Korea’s earlier pattern. And why would that be otherwise? China’s economy is growing massively and its “tier one” cities are in some ways much more livable than many of our urban areas.

    Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.

    You ought to read some demographics and also Ron Unz’s American meritorcracy article. In many and likely most elite universities, Jews outnumber East Asians (and that’s on top of Jews dominating the bureaucracy of these institutions). In fact, Jews are trying to limit the number and percentage of East Asians at these institutions – so they share your goal. Unfortunately for you, that’s not for your benefit, but that of their own. Unz makes clear that it’s East Asians and non-Jewish whites who are discriminated by these institutions, so you are aiming your fire at the wrong target.

    By the way, even at the upward bounds, Chinese are 1.3% of the population in America, Japanese are 0.2%, and Koreans are 0.7%. In other words, East Asians are 2.2% of the American population. Meanwhile Jews are estimated to be about 2.6% at the upper limit.

    While you are fixated on this, Jews continue to dominate most of the major institutions of this country, all the while their actual academic merit has plummeted dramatically. Moreover, the fasted growing, the most educated, the richest, and the least assimilating “Asian” immigrant group today is… Indians.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Twinkie


    the least assimilating “Asian” immigrant group today is… Indians.
     
    It was inevitable; finally this whole thing will make some sense:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gus0xlG60iE

    Peace.
  81. @Talha
    Maybe white folks expectations are just too high? In my experience, on average, even the rich ones seem to fret about more things and just can’t seem to learn to chill out.

    Aaaaaaand...if you’re always worried about the future, well, say goodbye to having kids.

    Peace.

    Replies: @RSDB, @dfordoom

    Maybe white folks expectations are just too high?

    There may be some truth to that. “It looks like I’m not going to get into Harvard so my life is basically over.” “I can’t afford a brand new car so my life is just one huge nightmare.” “I’m convinced I’ll never get to date a supermodel so why even bother going on living?” “Three people defriended me on facebook this week so I might as well just kill myself.”

    Maybe too many white people have become snowflakes?

    Also it’s possible that a high time preference, while being a good thing in many ways, doesn’t make people deliriously happy. Maybe low time preference folks are generally happier. “I was really hungry so I bought a burger and fries and now life looks pretty sweet.” “I don’t own a house or a car but I just bought a new pair of runners (or a new dress) so life is awesome.” “I missed out on Harvard but I dated this girl last night and she actually let me have sex with her. Life doesn’t get any better than this.”

    Living in the moment can be a bad thing or a good thing.

    It’s also worth considering that some people get a buzz out of being miserable. Or they feel more virtuous.

    Happiness is a complicated thing, and optimism may be a complicated thing as well. For one person optimism might mean that they believe that in twenty years’ time they’ll be financially secure and comfortable. For another person being optimistic might mean that he thinks that the new girl in Accounts will sleep with him.

    Optimism and pessimism can also be individual or social. Some people can’t feel optimistic because even though everything in their own lives is just great they think the planet is dying. Some people can’t feel optimistic because even though they’re doing just fine personally they think the Republicans will never win another election. Some people can’t feel optimistic as long as Trump is still President. Others couldn’t care less who is president or whether the planet is dying, they think they’re going to get that promotion they wanted and then they’ll be able to buy a new car.

    • Replies: @Talha
    @dfordoom


    Also it’s possible that a high time preference, while being a good thing in many ways, doesn’t make people deliriously happy.
     
    Good point here. Your examples are along the lines of what I’ve heard from whites when I ask them if they plan on having any or more kids; “I can’t make sure I can provide for them to have an ideal future, so why bother?!”

    As with every positive trait humans can have, higher time preference can be a negative when it manifests in an extreme or a stultifying manner.

    Peace.
  82. AE, could I see the white number above broken down by income?

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    By class among non-Hispanic whites (sorry for the delayed response):

    Lower -- 14%
    Working -- 13%
    Middle -- 15%
    Upper -- 29%

  83. @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Let’s take the country back from the weirdos and degenerates!”

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    Replies: @Talha, @Anonymous, @Twinkie

    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?

    You might have missed this part: “Of course, at least a part of me screams…”

    The atavistic part. Not the rational, strategic part.

    Yes, I have a plan. It’s a long-term plan that might take generations. But I don’t want to spend too much time writing it or for you to read it. Here is a concise version. Outbreed the weirdos and teach the resultant offspring to keep the flame of civilization alive. Teach them to carry the torch to their offspring, and the latter in turn to theirs.

    Much of what is happening today is sheer madness (“no more race in medicine!”). It’s unsustainable. I want there to be a cadre of the right-minded who can emerge and rebuild civilizaton when all the madness crumbles down.

    You can’t beat the beast head on in a frontal assault when it commands all the institutional heights of the land. You have to go culturally insurgent, survive, and bide your time.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Twinkie

    Cults have formed, grown and taken over before, so it might work.

  84. @RSDB
    @iffen

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    Replies: @Talha, @RSDB, @Twinkie

    According to Catholics humanity is full of weirdos and degenerates.

    Absolutely – Christ didn’t come to save the pure and the perfect. He came to save the fallen and the depraved. But that doesn’t mean we want the degenerates in charge of the society.

  85. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @iffen

    Regarding the laity, the vast majority of them are not degenerates or weirdos. At standard Novus Ordo parishes, however, to a large degree they are the very elderly, Boomers, and a few young people. A large number of these are lukewarm.

    Traditional lay people, obviously, tend to be far more convicted.

    Regarding the hierachy, the Catholic Church today consists of a fairly small but immensely determined and brave number of faithful resisting the efforts of a large number of weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers who are trying to permanently turn the Church into a big nothing-burger and a Masonic parody of itself.

    This dynamic received some notable media attention when a young Chad Trad Austrian Catholic barged into a Roman church and threw the Pachamama idols into the Tiber. The idols were there because the weirdos, degenerates, and Boomers don't believe in Jesus Christ; they believe in Judeo-Masonic New World Order Globohomo bullshit. The Austrian was met with warmth by many of the traditional, or more conservative, hierarchs, and received silence from the weak.

    Obviously I celebrated this defiant defense of the rights of God.

    Replies: @iffen

    Regarding the laity, the vast majority of them are not degenerates or weirdos.

    I was thinking of the clerics and not the laity. I certainly don’t think that the laity is more degenerate than the members of any other religion. I do think that the Church has a homosexual problem and the protectors extend all the way to Rome.

  86. @Twinkie
    @iffen


    Do you have a practical plan? By a practical plan, I mean options other than forming little platoons or becoming devout Catholics?
     
    You might have missed this part: "Of course, at least a part of me screams..."

    The atavistic part. Not the rational, strategic part.

    Yes, I have a plan. It's a long-term plan that might take generations. But I don't want to spend too much time writing it or for you to read it. Here is a concise version. Outbreed the weirdos and teach the resultant offspring to keep the flame of civilization alive. Teach them to carry the torch to their offspring, and the latter in turn to theirs.

    Much of what is happening today is sheer madness ("no more race in medicine!"). It's unsustainable. I want there to be a cadre of the right-minded who can emerge and rebuild civilizaton when all the madness crumbles down.

    You can't beat the beast head on in a frontal assault when it commands all the institutional heights of the land. You have to go culturally insurgent, survive, and bide your time.

    Replies: @iffen

    Cults have formed, grown and taken over before, so it might work.

  87. @Divine Right

    Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.
     
    That something is diversity and multiculturalism. Humans have a natural in-group preference and work best within that context; that's what they desire and how they've been designed to think. All of those other demographics are permitted to have their own group identities, which bolsters their outlook on life. Blacks, for example, have television networks, movies, graduation ceremonies, magazines, and holidays all for their own kind. Asians have Chinatowns and their civilization back in Asia to look up to. Hispanics have their home countries, Spanish language American television, and a media that defends them. Each of those groups also has a political party, the democrats, which expressly works to further their racial group aims and comforts, including fielding candidates along those identitarian lines. What do whites have?

    Whites have nothing of the sort, are constantly berated, have their work stolen from them (taxes, affirmative action, race-swapping literature and movies) and given to other groups that openly resent their existence. They also don't have Europe to look up to anymore because schools are removing Western Civilization from school curricula:

    Yale Daily News

    Decades old and once taught by famous Yale professors like Vincent Scully, “Introduction to Art History: Renaissance to the Present” was once touted to be one of Yale College’s quintessential classes. But this change is the latest response to student uneasiness over an idealized Western “canon” — a product of an overwhelmingly white, straight, European and male cadre of artists.

    https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2020/01/24/art-history-department-to-scrap-survey-course/
     
    Half of whites are psychologically disturbed, and thus hate the other half along with themselves. The end result is that whites are a defeated people. Without a cohesive group, they are psychologically unmoored in a cruel, uncaring world where they are easy prey for aggressive predators.

    Whites have tried to compensate for the loss of ethnic (and now national) identity by joining bizarre fringe groups that, not coincidentally, are overwhelmingly white: environmentalism, antifa, feminism, neighborhood watches, right-wing MAGA patriotism, Christian Zionism, New Atheism, videogame subcultures, comic books, men's rights, and progressive liberalism -- among many examples. This also includes activities such a sports (tennis and golf over predominantly black basketball and football).

    However, diversity requirements are increasingly taking even that away. NASCAR, for example, used to be very popular among white Southerners. Like soccer, though, it's boring ... so why was it ever popular in the first place? Answer: it provided for some measure of group identity and interaction; almost all fans were middle-class whites. People enjoy idolizing people who look like them, and they enjoy going out and being with people who act like them (the crowds were nearly all white). But then NASCAR had a change of leadership. They got politically correct and banned the confederate flag, recruited minorities through outreach programs, changed up the leader board system to make it more "exciting" to a younger demographic, and they moved into other regions. Result: NASCAR is now a dead sport. Decades of popularity ended in a fizzle of apathy. Turns out, it was never about the racing, it was about the community.

    We've reached a nadir in white ability to exist within groups of their own kind. American history has been defined as a steady loss in the ability of whites to have their own spaces. First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics, ultimately culminating in the removal of prayer from schools. Then smaller group associations were lost through the Civil Rights Act. Then employment through affirmative action. Then artistic communities like Hollywood, comics, and videogames through HR departments and social media outrage mobs. Then American patriotism itself was lost as the flag was declared racist ...

    ... whites have run out of places to hide.

    It's amazing how much of what's wrong with whites can be explained by a loss of group cohesion. One example among countless others: why do many conservative whites reject the science of evolution? Detractors might be tempted to say that conservatives are uneducated or stupid, but that's not really true. White republican IQs are roughly the same as the Western European average and far above Eastern Europe and the global average. Whites, even conservative whites, are quite well educated. The real reason lies in group identity politics. Whites are denied an ethnic identity for themselves, so they've embraced fringe movements like Young Earth Creationism as a means of fostering group identity. Because they have no other group to fall back on, they are forced to defend wacky things in order to defend their group identity. As with NASCAR, it's really all about the community ... even if it's dumb.

    Unmoored from identity, whites are psychologically disturbed. Moored to an unhealthy identity, whites act counter-productively and become insular in outlook. This is most true when whites have no fall back identity left for them. And they are denied the healthiest, most natural identity that all other groups have: ethnic and racial affiliation.

    American Indians are in the same boat as whites because there are few of them left; reservations are relatively sparsely populated, landlocked, and poor; autonomy exists only with the permission of the federal government. They don't have an adequately sized, cohesive group to work within and they are largely ignored by the media, so they don't get the psychological protection blacks get. The end result is apathy, nihilism, poverty of spirit and finance, and ultimately suicide. They don't know themselves, so they know only misery.

    Whites have compensated for this loss of identity with toxic individualism, expressed succinctly in the rather bizarre American philosophy of libertarianism. White Americans have built a cult around not contributing to their communities in any form -- taxes, face masks, temporary quarantines, government. They care first and foremost about keeping their heads down so they can maximize personal comfort. Thus, corporations that censor us go unregulated because that requires effort to stop; whites like Central Park Karen are subject to hypocritical attacks from racists because whites won't mount an effective group response; and the government becomes oppressive because whites have vacated the battlefield, allowing their enemies to monopolize it for their own benefit.

    Whites believed they could get all of their creature comforts if only they could brainwash racial minorities into a libertarian culture of "no one take anything from anyone else." In that world, whites are free to do whatever they want while not contributing anything themselves (i.e. having their work taken from them and appropriated by others, often racial groups that don't like them). But that worldview, like Soviet communism, was a delusion. Non-Asian whites on average have fewer things than whites. Non-Asian whites are also more aggressive, cohesive, and racist while being less empathetic towards others. Such a dynamic always results in conflict. And those who vacate every battlefield inevitably lose the war. You can't just psyche out an enemy determined to fight you.

    Poorer racial minorities see you as having things they want, so they will take from you while you are powerless to stop them. You are powerless because you lack a sizable, powerful, and cohesive group ready to work together as one to crush your rivals as a team using any means necessary, including not playing fair (another disadvantage whites have: they are dogmatists who play by imaginary rules others don't follow).

    This dynamic you see playing out in the United States has already happened in black-majority Zimbabwe, formerly white-run Rhodesia (turned over to the majority black population just as South Africa was in the early 90s). Poor blacks, envious and hateful of whites, decided to simply take what they did not earn themselves from others in a fit of rage. In Zimbabwe, they stole white farms and drove Europeans out of the country with violence, essentially state-sanctioned. They justified it with various bigotries and blood libels aimed at whites. And they got away with it because whites were powerless to stop them. What good was individualist dogma and rhetoric for the whites of Zimbabwe?

    Zimbabwe 'on brink of man-made starvation', UN warns

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-50586514

    Zim to give back farms taken under land reform programme

    https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/zim-to-give-back-farms-taken-under-land-reform-programme/ar-BB112nfB
     
    A similar dynamic has also played out for decades across Central and South America: poorer, darker skinned ethnic minorities become envious of a self-interested, venal elite, seize power and then redistribute things to themselves -- usually to disastrous effect. And it's coming to America soon. The democrats spent much of the 2020 primary season debating reparations for blacks, despite that group already being the beneficiaries of trillions of dollars in welfare spending, a generation of positive media coverage, and myriad economic opportunities they wouldn't have had back in Africa. Do you really think things won't play out here the same way they have everywhere else?

    Whites are a defeated people because they no longer have a group of their own. Saving whites means changing this dynamic.

    As always, White people are more able to see ahead and judge what is coming
     
    But strangely they are never willing to do anything about it.

    Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan, @Corvinus, @Achmed E. Newman

    Great comment, Mr. Right. See, A.E., now here’s something that ought to be its own post and at top billing on unz. (Nothing against Mr. Dasein’s one, but this is more down to earth.)

  88. @Twinkie
    @The Germ Theory of Disease


    But your replies are either a kind of evasive pilpul, or else (uncharitably) it’s a classic case of: Asian Grind spergs over detail, Euro Chad uses the conceptual framework.
     
    Done patting yourself on the back for your lack of knowledge in the actual specifics at hand ("sperg... detail")?

    In any event it doesn’t matter if Asian-American TFR is low, so long as there’s a never-ending overseas immigrant pool of 1.3 billion grasping robots ready to pull the same routine.
     
    "Grasping robots"? That's some dehumanizing talk. How seriously would you take some East Asian's view of white Americans if he were to characterize them glibly as "fat, lazy, and drug-addled hedonists"? Try to be objective and not emotion-fueled.

    Moreover, as another commenter pointed out, there is no 1.3 billion pool of potential immigrants from East Asia. This isn't the 1960's or even the 80's. There is hardly any Japanese immigration. Korean immigration has declined so much that, between the last two Censuses, the number of Americans who identify as ethnically Korean contracted in absolute terms (forget the decline in rate of growth). There is considerable immigration from China still, but today 90+% of Chinese students in the U.S. return to China, and the trajectory of Chinese immigration is inline with Japan and Korea's earlier pattern. And why would that be otherwise? China's economy is growing massively and its "tier one" cities are in some ways much more livable than many of our urban areas.

    Besides, there can never be sufficient numbers of Jews to crowd out Whites from every single plum uni spot, but a quick look at Stuyvesant and UCI tells us there are/will soon be enough Asians and Jew-promoted AA admissions to ensure not a single White man ever again attends a prestige university that his forefathers built.
     
    You ought to read some demographics and also Ron Unz's American meritorcracy article. In many and likely most elite universities, Jews outnumber East Asians (and that's on top of Jews dominating the bureaucracy of these institutions). In fact, Jews are trying to limit the number and percentage of East Asians at these institutions - so they share your goal. Unfortunately for you, that's not for your benefit, but that of their own. Unz makes clear that it's East Asians and non-Jewish whites who are discriminated by these institutions, so you are aiming your fire at the wrong target.

    By the way, even at the upward bounds, Chinese are 1.3% of the population in America, Japanese are 0.2%, and Koreans are 0.7%. In other words, East Asians are 2.2% of the American population. Meanwhile Jews are estimated to be about 2.6% at the upper limit.

    While you are fixated on this, Jews continue to dominate most of the major institutions of this country, all the while their actual academic merit has plummeted dramatically. Moreover, the fasted growing, the most educated, the richest, and the least assimilating "Asian" immigrant group today is... Indians.

    Replies: @Talha

    the least assimilating “Asian” immigrant group today is… Indians.

    It was inevitable; finally this whole thing will make some sense:

    Peace.

  89. @dfordoom
    @Talha


    Maybe white folks expectations are just too high?
     
    There may be some truth to that. "It looks like I'm not going to get into Harvard so my life is basically over." "I can't afford a brand new car so my life is just one huge nightmare." "I'm convinced I'll never get to date a supermodel so why even bother going on living?" "Three people defriended me on facebook this week so I might as well just kill myself."

    Maybe too many white people have become snowflakes?

    Also it's possible that a high time preference, while being a good thing in many ways, doesn't make people deliriously happy. Maybe low time preference folks are generally happier. "I was really hungry so I bought a burger and fries and now life looks pretty sweet." "I don't own a house or a car but I just bought a new pair of runners (or a new dress) so life is awesome." "I missed out on Harvard but I dated this girl last night and she actually let me have sex with her. Life doesn't get any better than this."

    Living in the moment can be a bad thing or a good thing.

    It's also worth considering that some people get a buzz out of being miserable. Or they feel more virtuous.

    Happiness is a complicated thing, and optimism may be a complicated thing as well. For one person optimism might mean that they believe that in twenty years' time they'll be financially secure and comfortable. For another person being optimistic might mean that he thinks that the new girl in Accounts will sleep with him.

    Optimism and pessimism can also be individual or social. Some people can't feel optimistic because even though everything in their own lives is just great they think the planet is dying. Some people can't feel optimistic because even though they're doing just fine personally they think the Republicans will never win another election. Some people can't feel optimistic as long as Trump is still President. Others couldn't care less who is president or whether the planet is dying, they think they're going to get that promotion they wanted and then they'll be able to buy a new car.

    Replies: @Talha

    Also it’s possible that a high time preference, while being a good thing in many ways, doesn’t make people deliriously happy.

    Good point here. Your examples are along the lines of what I’ve heard from whites when I ask them if they plan on having any or more kids; “I can’t make sure I can provide for them to have an ideal future, so why bother?!”

    As with every positive trait humans can have, higher time preference can be a negative when it manifests in an extreme or a stultifying manner.

    Peace.

  90. @Beavertales
    @Realist

    "Grow a set of balls and revolt. The problems Whites have will not be solved through the electoral process."

    Men with balls or guns are too threatening. In Britain, Australia and New Zealand they've gone to symbolic castration (firearms destruction) to ensure the men feel defeated.

    New Zealand has a 'gun crusher' device for ritualistic and psychological purposes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auD5A8NB8bU

    A man can see his AR15 being destroyed before his eyes, and take home a new perspective on the power relationship between himself and the state.

    Replies: @Realist

    Yes, many white men allow the removal of their balls.

  91. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    @Realist


    You have no solution…just keep voting.
     
    You may be 76 years old, but it isn't too late for you to learn to not put words in my mouth.

    I am 76 years old…I had a good run…I don’t give a shit what you do…just keep pissing and moaning.

    It’s your problem.
     

    The old and the young have mutual duties and obligations to each other. I can tell you "don't give a shit." It shows.

    Replies: @Realist

    The old and the young have mutual duties and obligations to each other.

    I have no obligation to you…I gave you a solution…you didn’t like it, so piss off.

    You still haven’t given your solution.

  92. Look at how close the numbers line up. On cue- Blacks, Hispanics, Asians; and of course Whites and Indians. Where are the Jews in this? If they are in sync with BHAs, then I have to start questioning my belief that Jews are White and give credit to Malla.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Hacienda

    The sample is really small, but it's 30%.

  93. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB
    @Jay Fink


    The downtrodden who are homeless, take drugs, committ crime etc. also opt out but they still internalize all the messages society tells them about success.
     
    This!

    Well its perfectly expressed in Sailer's idea that whites are behaving like a "defeated" people. If you internalize the message that life is about "winning" - about getting richer or more successful all the time - and then you can't do that anymore, you'll feel despair.

    And the "easy way out" thing is just shaming language to keep you in the System. Escape is for losers lol...

    Whites are behaving like a people who thought that the meaning of life was to constantly grow bigger, better, richer, and who now find that road has come to an end and they can no longer do so.

    It's a transitional phase - a person with Buddhist or Taoist assumptions about life, or any religion really, will not feel despair because he cannot have a great career and grow wealthier all the time but has to be content with a modest income and house.

    But I think things are moving in that direction. There's been an explosion in interest in camping and wilderness activities in the US. There's a growing movement of people living in their vans and wandering the country in nomadic fashion, often people with decent incomes.

    So inevitably materialism is diminishing as people adjust to new realities.

    And who are we kidding - the philosophy of growth just wasn't that much fun in the end, and couldn't go on forever.

    Replies: @Anon

    Seems to me like you are projecting. It is Jews who are the most driven to win, get rich, grow in wealth, etc.

    I think in our natural state, whites tend more towards the anti-materialistic outlook of the Amish or Menonites.

    N European countries and France are examples of whites trying to scale up the sort of greed-punishing equal societies that you see with the Amish in the modern world.

  94. @Anonymous
    Of course non-whites are happier, they see a future less dominated economically and socially by whites as something to look forward to and celebrate. Whites are obviously going to be significantly less happy because they're the losers in all this.

    The only whites who would be optimistic about the future are self-loathing leftists or cucks who take pleasure in seeing their own people losing power and status to non-whites.

    Replies: @VinnyVette

    Good assessment… The problem is that neggroids fail to grasp due to their inherently abysmal IQ and total lack of self awareness is that without whites continuing to grease the wheels of society they will end up in ghetto utopia’s such as Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore, and now Minneapolis… As soon as you hand them the keys to the car, the mash the go pedal to the floor and wrap it around a pole at 100 mph… But that’s the way they roll!

  95. Anon[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    @Divine Right

    "That something is diversity and multiculturalism."

    Except America was built on it, ranging at first from different European stocks, then mixing in African slaves and conquered indigenous tribes, along with the Mexicans (thanks, Polk!), Chinese (western railroads), and other assortments. Indeed, Americans as mutts have a natural in-group preference, with each race and ethnicity embracing their own social features and cultural features.

    I think you severely underestimate whites as a group who are generally pleased with their lives and progress. Yes, there are increasing health issues (medical and mental) among a segment of the white population, and there must be solutions created to address those abject concerns. Yes, white Americans are divided and polarized, but that does not mean they are defeated or are on the verge of being conquered.

    While I realize I am able to provide only anecdotal evidence, in my family, work, and peer group, the super majority of whites are proud of their lifestyles and accomplishments. They do not act or feel defeated, or are deathly afraid of being overrun by "vibrants" and "foreign hordes". The "fringe groups" you incorrectly label are associations and organizations that whites created for personal enjoyment. There is observably nothing wrong with desiring to be among your kind of people who hold similar preferences, including "sportsball". I get it, though, a perceived idyllic life is being "taken" from you. But perhaps you never really owned it. We whites are not hiding anywhere. We just happen to be proud in a way that is different to you, and have formed groups that demonstrate an identity that conceptually is confusing and foreign to you. That can be scary.

    "First, ethnic identity was lost as the British colonies were flooded with German immigrants. Then regional identity faded as the South was conquered by the North. Then religious affiliation as protestant America was flooded with European Catholics..."

    Perhaps your sentiments here is why there is division among whites today?

    Replies: @Anon

    You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now.

    For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially “compatible.” This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish.

    Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down. The USA hoped that such people would eventually be “assimilated” (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn’t really happen.

    By the way, the total percentage of Jewish and Chinese immigrants in the past is Dwarfed by the relative percentages of Hispanic immigrants. The numbers of Chinese immigrants in the 1800’s was very small.

    But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the “compatible” ones), because we “were always multicultural.”

    When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or “Christian” country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?

    This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question. I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation.

    Is the black-white diversity of the USA’s past something that was good for us? Or was it a source of constant strife and tragedy?

    At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will. This is why whites retreat into something more specific; it is the best we can do to put together some ineffectual communities, which is better than nothing.

    To thump my chest about the USA being diverse is a joke. I have no reason to be proud of people who are so different from me that they are in different communities that I will not join. It only makes sense to be proud of yourself and your kin.

    Viva la division!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now."

    Nativists and Heritage Americans versus inferior European stocks and their Asian proxies.

    The ancestors of those inferior European stocks and the Michelle Malkin's of the world versus Africans, Central Americans, and Muslims.

    The names have changed, but not the sentiments.

    Conside that our nation’s history is based on this cycle:

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum

    "For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially “compatible.” This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish."

    How did this "careful picking immigrant" process operate? Who was specifically behind this selection? What criteria was being employed? Of course, you are assuming these groups are essentially "desirable" compared to other groups. Recall that Benjamin Frankling was not too fond of the Germans.

    "Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down."

    There was no "sneaking". Jews and Catholics were here in the States since the 1600's. As far as the Chinese, let us refer to Mark Twain (1871):


    They [the Chinese] are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, free from drunkenness, and industrious as the day is long. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he manages to find something to do.
     
    Please ponder this statement from Frederick A. Wallis, Commissioner of Immigration, March 23, 1921:

    I have never thought of immigration as a national menace. I believe the problem can best be met by scientific selection of the immigrant on the other side and the safe and sensible distribution here. We don’t appreciate the foreigner– that’s the trouble with us. We don’t see much difference between the immigrant of today and the early immigrants. You look upon the incoming foreigner as a common mechanic, as a laborer, an artisan. Yet he has risen to the positions of preacher, doctor, officer, and even member of the Cabinet.

     

    "The USA hoped that such people would eventually be “assimilated” (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn’t really happen."

    Of course it happened, perhaps not in the way that some ought should be scripted.

    Source --> https://pluralism.org/catholic-and-jewish-immigrants


    Newly arrived Italian Catholics often found themselves at odds with the Irish, with whom they shared a common faith but held entirely different languages, nationalities, customs, and even styles of worship. Yet both Irish and Italian Catholics were drawn together, working to resist the anti-Catholicism they confronted on both national and neighborhood levels. Similarly, newly arrived Russian Jews faced resistance from both Jews and non-Jews. More Orthodox than their German counterparts, Eastern European Jews faced difficult decisions about how much of their communal village life should and could be preserved in American cities. Refusing to work on the Sabbath limited economic opportunities and could cost a garment worker his or her job. Meanwhile, more established middle-class American and German Jews expressed ambivalence about the influx of their Eastern European and Russian counterparts.

    The Catholic and Jewish communities eventually evolved different strategies for dealing with public schools [that had a strong Protestant bias]. Catholics developed a privately-funded parochial school system, supported by Catholic parishes and staffed, on the whole, by nuns, thereby seeking to insure children received Christian moral and religious education as well as instruction in the specifically Catholic catechism. The Jewish community, however, opted for active participation in the public schools, which they saw as nurturing American roots and opening avenues into mainstream American life. They also sought to appeal to the Constitution in protesting the school system’s Christian bias. As early as the 1860s, Isaac Mayer Wise, leader of the Reform community in Cincinnati, succeeded in having devotional Bible readings eliminated from what were supposed to be secular public schools. After lengthy appeals, the Supreme Court of Ohio ruled such devotional Bible reading violated the Constitutional separation of church and state.
     

    "But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the “compatible” ones), because we “were always multicultural.”"

    I do agree if there is immigration to our great land that we be selective. But the Honduran, the Kenyan, and the Saudi of today was the Pollack, Sicilian, and Jew of yesteryear.

    "When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or “Christian” country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?"

    For the WASP, they would argue what they built had denigrated by the infusion of non-WASP. For the non-WASP, they would argue their contributions enhanced our national character. But the point is moot. Should not American normie whites unite against the invading hordes of blacks, browns, and yellows? Should not you bury this WASPesque hatchet with your fellow white brethren?

    "This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question."

    How convenient.

    "I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation."

    What is this "bad Euro ancestry"? How do you quantify it? Moreover, in what ways did your relatives "terribly harm the nation"? Please be specific.

    "At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will."

    The reality is that American whites do have a culture, do have a sense of community, and are proud of themselves and their families. It is simply that you disagree with how we conduct our lives.

    Replies: @Rosie

  96. There are some strange comments.

    In terms of control and decision making — whites remain the dominant players and stake holders.

    very few of the choices that have damaged country have anything to do with the diversity of color. And yet, these comprise most of the complaints. There are plenty of reasons to be angry and frustrated, but it would be a good idea to target one’s senses on the actual causes.

    The leadership that went into Iraq Afghanistan, engaged in reckless economic behavior, etc etc are almost exclusively white. Murdering children in the womb, same sex conduct and marriage, the disastrous APA conference 1973, savings and loan . . . Russiagate despite black democratic support — the key players, the staffers were white to a one . . .

    juxtaposed against those very real policy choices against black people killing other black people — it’s a peculiar leap in logic to point the finger at blacks for the perception of a national sense of disintegration. I am ever amazed at these kinds of assessments. When I consider the election of the previous executive. There were only two issues that had any resonance with me. And both were conservative nature:

    1. policy change to include a change in attitude toward the ME
    2. and long overdue criminal justice reform

    On the first whites had conniption fits and they had them on both sides of the aisle. They had them despite that as the number one issue for that executive’s selection — “change and hope” we can believe in. But whites simply were having no part of changing policies in the region – whites in the US — even the Iran agreement was always under threat — as Sec Clinton made clear.

    I think the term used in psychology is “displacement theory” a state in which one is angry about something but targets a lesser threat. Frank punches Bill in the face and Frank goes home and yells at his kids.
    ————————-

    No. I m not democrat. No . I am not a liberal. No. I am not a communist. No EliteCommInc. has no political liberal socialist, democratic or communist implications and I am only a moderate fan of democracy as the greatest form of governance (democratic theory).

    And I tend to think Jesus is who he said he was.

    Here’s another irrelevant statistic to the national question of where the fault lies: blacks marry mostly other black people

  97. A fairly balanced and timely article:
    https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1265719644683472900

    Also, from same guy:
    https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1266255896390168581

    This is simply lawlessness at this point, interestingly, the local black business owners are NOT messing around:

    Peace.

  98. @Tusk
    While said I think it's dissapointing that only 21% of people on average feel optimistic about the future. 4/5 of people are negative about the future. Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.

    Replies: @Wency, @Audacious Epigone

    21% “strongly agree” with “always” feeling optimistic about their future, which is a pretty strong claim and if answered honestly, refers to an extraordinarily sunny individual who barely experiences worry.

    You might roughly double it by including “partly agree”.

  99. Low expectations. That explains the black and brown bliss. Blissfully ignorant are they.

    Blacks are always happy to see any whites down and out. Envy. No more or less.

    The System is Falling DOWN. Burning DOWN.

    The System is all but going DOWN.

    Trump cannot save it.

  100. @Anon
    @Corvinus

    You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now.

    For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially "compatible." This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish.

    Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down. The USA hoped that such people would eventually be "assimilated" (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn't really happen.

    By the way, the total percentage of Jewish and Chinese immigrants in the past is Dwarfed by the relative percentages of Hispanic immigrants. The numbers of Chinese immigrants in the 1800's was very small.

    But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the "compatible" ones), because we "were always multicultural."

    When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or "Christian" country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?

    This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question. I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation.

    Is the black-white diversity of the USA's past something that was good for us? Or was it a source of constant strife and tragedy?

    At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will. This is why whites retreat into something more specific; it is the best we can do to put together some ineffectual communities, which is better than nothing.

    To thump my chest about the USA being diverse is a joke. I have no reason to be proud of people who are so different from me that they are in different communities that I will not join. It only makes sense to be proud of yourself and your kin.

    Viva la division!

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now.”

    Nativists and Heritage Americans versus inferior European stocks and their Asian proxies.

    The ancestors of those inferior European stocks and the Michelle Malkin’s of the world versus Africans, Central Americans, and Muslims.

    The names have changed, but not the sentiments.

    Conside that our nation’s history is based on this cycle:

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum

    “For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially “compatible.” This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish.”

    How did this “careful picking immigrant” process operate? Who was specifically behind this selection? What criteria was being employed? Of course, you are assuming these groups are essentially “desirable” compared to other groups. Recall that Benjamin Frankling was not too fond of the Germans.

    “Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down.”

    There was no “sneaking”. Jews and Catholics were here in the States since the 1600’s. As far as the Chinese, let us refer to Mark Twain (1871):

    They [the Chinese] are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, free from drunkenness, and industrious as the day is long. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he manages to find something to do.

    Please ponder this statement from Frederick A. Wallis, Commissioner of Immigration, March 23, 1921:

    I have never thought of immigration as a national menace. I believe the problem can best be met by scientific selection of the immigrant on the other side and the safe and sensible distribution here. We don’t appreciate the foreigner– that’s the trouble with us. We don’t see much difference between the immigrant of today and the early immigrants. You look upon the incoming foreigner as a common mechanic, as a laborer, an artisan. Yet he has risen to the positions of preacher, doctor, officer, and even member of the Cabinet.

    “The USA hoped that such people would eventually be “assimilated” (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn’t really happen.”

    Of course it happened, perhaps not in the way that some ought should be scripted.

    Source –> https://pluralism.org/catholic-and-jewish-immigrants

    Newly arrived Italian Catholics often found themselves at odds with the Irish, with whom they shared a common faith but held entirely different languages, nationalities, customs, and even styles of worship. Yet both Irish and Italian Catholics were drawn together, working to resist the anti-Catholicism they confronted on both national and neighborhood levels. Similarly, newly arrived Russian Jews faced resistance from both Jews and non-Jews. More Orthodox than their German counterparts, Eastern European Jews faced difficult decisions about how much of their communal village life should and could be preserved in American cities. Refusing to work on the Sabbath limited economic opportunities and could cost a garment worker his or her job. Meanwhile, more established middle-class American and German Jews expressed ambivalence about the influx of their Eastern European and Russian counterparts.

    The Catholic and Jewish communities eventually evolved different strategies for dealing with public schools [that had a strong Protestant bias]. Catholics developed a privately-funded parochial school system, supported by Catholic parishes and staffed, on the whole, by nuns, thereby seeking to insure children received Christian moral and religious education as well as instruction in the specifically Catholic catechism. The Jewish community, however, opted for active participation in the public schools, which they saw as nurturing American roots and opening avenues into mainstream American life. They also sought to appeal to the Constitution in protesting the school system’s Christian bias. As early as the 1860s, Isaac Mayer Wise, leader of the Reform community in Cincinnati, succeeded in having devotional Bible readings eliminated from what were supposed to be secular public schools. After lengthy appeals, the Supreme Court of Ohio ruled such devotional Bible reading violated the Constitutional separation of church and state.

    “But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the “compatible” ones), because we “were always multicultural.””

    I do agree if there is immigration to our great land that we be selective. But the Honduran, the Kenyan, and the Saudi of today was the Pollack, Sicilian, and Jew of yesteryear.

    “When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or “Christian” country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?”

    For the WASP, they would argue what they built had denigrated by the infusion of non-WASP. For the non-WASP, they would argue their contributions enhanced our national character. But the point is moot. Should not American normie whites unite against the invading hordes of blacks, browns, and yellows? Should not you bury this WASPesque hatchet with your fellow white brethren?

    “This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question.”

    How convenient.

    “I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation.”

    What is this “bad Euro ancestry”? How do you quantify it? Moreover, in what ways did your relatives “terribly harm the nation”? Please be specific.

    “At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will.”

    The reality is that American whites do have a culture, do have a sense of community, and are proud of themselves and their families. It is simply that you disagree with how we conduct our lives.

    • Replies: @Rosie
    @Corvinus


    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum
     
    Or at least until the life boat sinks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

  101. @Corvinus
    @Anon

    "You have to admit that there were great differences between the immigration of the past and now."

    Nativists and Heritage Americans versus inferior European stocks and their Asian proxies.

    The ancestors of those inferior European stocks and the Michelle Malkin's of the world versus Africans, Central Americans, and Muslims.

    The names have changed, but not the sentiments.

    Conside that our nation’s history is based on this cycle:

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum

    "For a long time, the USA carefully picked immigrants that were viewed as being culturally and racially “compatible.” This meant white protestants: Germans, Northern Europeans, and protestant Irish."

    How did this "careful picking immigrant" process operate? Who was specifically behind this selection? What criteria was being employed? Of course, you are assuming these groups are essentially "desirable" compared to other groups. Recall that Benjamin Frankling was not too fond of the Germans.

    "Later, some people managed to sneak in the Chinese, Jews, and Catholics, and obviously the USA put its foot down."

    There was no "sneaking". Jews and Catholics were here in the States since the 1600's. As far as the Chinese, let us refer to Mark Twain (1871):


    They [the Chinese] are a harmless race when white men either let them alone or treat them no worse than dogs, for they seldom think of resenting the vilest insults or the cruelest injuries. They are quiet, peaceable, free from drunkenness, and industrious as the day is long. So long as a Chinaman has strength to use his hands he needs no support from anybody; white men often complain of want of work, but a Chinaman offers no such complaint; he manages to find something to do.
     
    Please ponder this statement from Frederick A. Wallis, Commissioner of Immigration, March 23, 1921:

    I have never thought of immigration as a national menace. I believe the problem can best be met by scientific selection of the immigrant on the other side and the safe and sensible distribution here. We don’t appreciate the foreigner– that’s the trouble with us. We don’t see much difference between the immigrant of today and the early immigrants. You look upon the incoming foreigner as a common mechanic, as a laborer, an artisan. Yet he has risen to the positions of preacher, doctor, officer, and even member of the Cabinet.

     

    "The USA hoped that such people would eventually be “assimilated” (a.k.a. melt away into the dominant culture of the USA). It didn’t really happen."

    Of course it happened, perhaps not in the way that some ought should be scripted.

    Source --> https://pluralism.org/catholic-and-jewish-immigrants


    Newly arrived Italian Catholics often found themselves at odds with the Irish, with whom they shared a common faith but held entirely different languages, nationalities, customs, and even styles of worship. Yet both Irish and Italian Catholics were drawn together, working to resist the anti-Catholicism they confronted on both national and neighborhood levels. Similarly, newly arrived Russian Jews faced resistance from both Jews and non-Jews. More Orthodox than their German counterparts, Eastern European Jews faced difficult decisions about how much of their communal village life should and could be preserved in American cities. Refusing to work on the Sabbath limited economic opportunities and could cost a garment worker his or her job. Meanwhile, more established middle-class American and German Jews expressed ambivalence about the influx of their Eastern European and Russian counterparts.

    The Catholic and Jewish communities eventually evolved different strategies for dealing with public schools [that had a strong Protestant bias]. Catholics developed a privately-funded parochial school system, supported by Catholic parishes and staffed, on the whole, by nuns, thereby seeking to insure children received Christian moral and religious education as well as instruction in the specifically Catholic catechism. The Jewish community, however, opted for active participation in the public schools, which they saw as nurturing American roots and opening avenues into mainstream American life. They also sought to appeal to the Constitution in protesting the school system’s Christian bias. As early as the 1860s, Isaac Mayer Wise, leader of the Reform community in Cincinnati, succeeded in having devotional Bible readings eliminated from what were supposed to be secular public schools. After lengthy appeals, the Supreme Court of Ohio ruled such devotional Bible reading violated the Constitutional separation of church and state.
     

    "But the Corvinus idea of immigration, and the mainstream modern idea, is far different. Now, we say that you must accept ANY immigrant from ANYWHERE (rather than selectively taking in the “compatible” ones), because we “were always multicultural.”"

    I do agree if there is immigration to our great land that we be selective. But the Honduran, the Kenyan, and the Saudi of today was the Pollack, Sicilian, and Jew of yesteryear.

    "When the USA lost its Protestant nature, and denatured into an either secular or “Christian” country, depending on who you asked, was it better off for it? Was the culture more unified? Was the national spirit and national culture better? Or was it degraded?"

    For the WASP, they would argue what they built had denigrated by the infusion of non-WASP. For the non-WASP, they would argue their contributions enhanced our national character. But the point is moot. Should not American normie whites unite against the invading hordes of blacks, browns, and yellows? Should not you bury this WASPesque hatchet with your fellow white brethren?

    "This is not an issue of my personal hypocrisy as a mix of Euro ethnicities, this is a theoretical question."

    How convenient.

    "I can be unselfish and say that, yes, I have some bad Euro ancestry, and they should never have come to the USA in the numbers they did because it terribly harmed the nation."

    What is this "bad Euro ancestry"? How do you quantify it? Moreover, in what ways did your relatives "terribly harm the nation"? Please be specific.

    "At this point, whites in the USA have no culture, and never will."

    The reality is that American whites do have a culture, do have a sense of community, and are proud of themselves and their families. It is simply that you disagree with how we conduct our lives.

    Replies: @Rosie

    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum

    Or at least until the life boat sinks.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    @Rosie

    "Or at least until the life boat sinks."

    There's an APP for that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fea02PfRfzQ

  102. @Tusk
    While said I think it's dissapointing that only 21% of people on average feel optimistic about the future. 4/5 of people are negative about the future. Something has gone terribly wrong and it needs to be fixed.

    Replies: @Wency, @Audacious Epigone

    The question had five possible answers, of which simply “agree” is one. Most people of all races agree to general optimism, at least in this phraseology. I should’ve made that explicit. It’s indicated by the GSS data variables, but that’s effectively putting a fuller explanation in the footnotes. Bad form on my part.

  103. @The Germ Theory of Disease
    Whites: whites skew older statistically, and older people have already used up quite a bit of their remaining future. Plus, the whole White Death despair thing is a real thing. Increasingly, younger Whites can see more clearly where this is all heading.

    Blacks: the more unhappy Whites get, the happier blacks will be. The Prime Directive is, Get Whitey, even if it hurts us in the short term. Plus blacks, famous for not seeing reality clearly and for believing near-infinite amounts of nonsense and twaddle, have naturally over-valued self-esteem.

    Asians/Hispanics: these are both younger, also more immigrants in groups. Immigrants will view their new country with more optimism and potential, especially when it's being handed to them on a platter while the previous owners are ground to death.

    Missing from the chart, tellingly, are Jews. (The greatest political imperative in America right now, and one that Jews will resist to the death, is to disaggregate Jews from Whites in all racial bean-counting protocols, so that the world can see plainly where all the "privilege" really is. You better believe they'll eight-six it.)

    I bet Jewish hopefulness is at damn near 100 per cent. After all, the plan is working perfectly, and White genocide is coming in under budget and ahead of schedule. They must be laughing their asses off at the Council meetings, saying, I can't believe this was so easy and it really worked!

    Replies: @Twinkie, @EldnahYm, @Audacious Epigone

    The Jewish sample is only 30 since this question has only been asked in 2016, but 30% did say they “strongly agree”.

    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.
     
    I don't know if anyone has ever looked at the data, but it seems to me, at least anecdotally, that Jewish outmarriages tend to assimilate the Gentile partners and the resultant offspring into Jewishness (or at least some form of Jewish identity) unlike East Asian outmarriages.

    Some years ago, I linked to an article that looked at Jewish-East Asian intermarriages, in which the children overwhelmingly identified as Jews rather than East Asians.

    You see that with couples such as the Chua-Rubenfelds. The Tiger Cubs stated in an interview that they had Bat Mitzvah (as mom's insistence) and considered themselves Jewish "except in stuff like food" (as in, they like to eat mom's food, not dad's).

    I note that they used to be the Rubenfelds, but have become the Chua-Rubenfelds upon their mom becoming quite the celebrity.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

  104. @Znzn
    Don't Asian Americans have a pretty high suicide rate, relative to blacks and Latinos, especially considering their income, which is higher than the two, and that the average Asian American is a lot richer than the average black or latino, particularly among college age kids?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower–just one-third the rate–than white men. Among Asian women, rates are modestly higher than blacks and Hispanics and again much lower than among whites, but female rates overall are only one-third those of men.

    • Replies: @res
    @Audacious Epigone

    One example where Rushton's Asian-White-Black ordering fails to apply.

    , @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower–just one-third the rate–than white men.
     
    In the U.S., yes. But in the suicide rate is quite high in East Asia. For example, the U.S. number was 13.7 per 100,000 in 2016. South Korea's was over 20 per 100,000.
  105. @LondonBob
    Be interested in who are these people optimistic about the future, is it wealth or political ideology, age perhaps?

    Replies: @Ano4, @Audacious Epigone

    Class is the biggest non-racial factor. Upper class non-whites are very optimistic. Working class whites are very much not.

  106. @Realist

    The subsequent graph brings to mind Steve Sailer’s observation that whites are increasingly resembling American Indians as defeated peoples suffering in despair:
     
    That is amazing since the American Indians really had no choice...the Whites did...and chose not to take it.
    There is no accounting for their stupidity.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    There is no accounting for their stupidity.

    Nietzsche tried to.

  107. @VinnyVette
    @Realist

    Accidently hit the troll button my bad!

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    You can hit a different reaction button to override one you accidentally selected.

  108. @Talha
    @iffen

    I would imagine that's the plan...simply projecting over time until critical mass (no pun intended for the Catholics) is reached, no?

    To be honest, that's my community's long term game plan. Head down, stay on target*.

    Peace.

    *According to all stats I've seen, we're losing about as many as we gain, but these are the kinds of guys we are losing:
    https://twitter.com/_Halaby/status/1192786268180144128

    And these are the guys we are gaining:
    https://youtu.be/xf1TAm8K3Vk?t=168

    So it's a generational effort - I assume Twinkie is thinking the same, no?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    You’re the best advocate for Islam I’ve ever known, virtually or otherwise. A true credit to your religion.

    • Thanks: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
    @Audacious Epigone

    And you’ve got the best blog on this site, hands down; topical, factual, interesting and relevant. If UNZ ever got pummeled by the legal powers that be, I would hope you’d find a fitting home elsewhere for the value you bring.

    Peace.

  109. @Yahya K.
    @Talha

    🤣🤣🤣

    That Star Wars clip was simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest things I’ve ever seen.

    Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone

    In a healthy society, men that age are reacting like that to their sons and daughters riding their bikes without training wheels for the first time, not to some movie made for teenagers.

    A neotenous society is not a natalist society.

  110. “The subsequent graph brings to mind Steve Sailer’s observation that whites are increasingly resembling American Indians as defeated peoples suffering in despair:”

    Oh come now,

    no is sending whites to reservations, and then pitting various reservations against each other for casino money or establishing semi autonomous nation’s and the reneging for mineral access to gold, aluminum, silver and oil — signing treaties and then doing whatever to disavow them.

    Wjat may be happening is that a lot of bad practices and the consequences of the same are coming to light, practices that served as foundation but were in fact blocks of sandstone being eroded by the waters if time and technology providing access to an entirely new population of whites that the system they were told was benign to color isn’t, wasn’t and never has been they have no real idea how to repair that foundation.

    So they fantasize about getting rid of certain populations by replacement, by deportation, by justifying the sandstone replacing it with mud — HBD, IQ, Jesus . . . as means to convince certain populations it is their lot. Having deliberately established a lower standard for criminal prosecution for certain populations to reinforce their place — but the water if history and the record as well as current events keeps watering away the mud — maybe what many US citizens are feeling is that there simply is no longer enough mud to fill spaces and time and circumstance have caught up revealing a naked and naive duplicity — the low IQ, criminal inbred DNA , cursed by nature or Jesus canard has simply lost if salience and that enemies of truth have taken advantage to demolish even the granite foundation for with only sand dressed up as granite

    So that men could compete in women’s sports as women.

  111. @Audacious Epigone
    @Znzn

    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower--just one-third the rate--than white men. Among Asian women, rates are modestly higher than blacks and Hispanics and again much lower than among whites, but female rates overall are only one-third those of men.

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie

    One example where Rushton’s Asian-White-Black ordering fails to apply.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  112. @Audacious Epigone
    @Talha

    You're the best advocate for Islam I've ever known, virtually or otherwise. A true credit to your religion.

    Replies: @Talha

    And you’ve got the best blog on this site, hands down; topical, factual, interesting and relevant. If UNZ ever got pummeled by the legal powers that be, I would hope you’d find a fitting home elsewhere for the value you bring.

    Peace.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
  113. @Rosie
    @Corvinus


    Newcomers arrive
    Newcomers are unwelcome
    Newcomers assimilate
    New newcomers arrive
    Old newcomers are unwelcome toward new newcomers
    Ad infinitum
     
    Or at least until the life boat sinks.

    Replies: @Corvinus

    “Or at least until the life boat sinks.”

    There’s an APP for that.

  114. @Audacious Epigone
    @Znzn

    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower--just one-third the rate--than white men. Among Asian women, rates are modestly higher than blacks and Hispanics and again much lower than among whites, but female rates overall are only one-third those of men.

    Replies: @res, @Twinkie

    Asian men have lower suicide rates than even black and Hispanic men do, and much lower–just one-third the rate–than white men.

    In the U.S., yes. But in the suicide rate is quite high in East Asia. For example, the U.S. number was 13.7 per 100,000 in 2016. South Korea’s was over 20 per 100,000.

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  115. @Audacious Epigone
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The Jewish sample is only 30 since this question has only been asked in 2016, but 30% did say they "strongly agree".

    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.

    I don’t know if anyone has ever looked at the data, but it seems to me, at least anecdotally, that Jewish outmarriages tend to assimilate the Gentile partners and the resultant offspring into Jewishness (or at least some form of Jewish identity) unlike East Asian outmarriages.

    Some years ago, I linked to an article that looked at Jewish-East Asian intermarriages, in which the children overwhelmingly identified as Jews rather than East Asians.

    You see that with couples such as the Chua-Rubenfelds. The Tiger Cubs stated in an interview that they had Bat Mitzvah (as mom’s insistence) and considered themselves Jewish “except in stuff like food” (as in, they like to eat mom’s food, not dad’s).

    I note that they used to be the Rubenfelds, but have become the Chua-Rubenfelds upon their mom becoming quite the celebrity.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @Twinkie

    That could go some way in explaining why Jewish aptitudinal/IQ advantages over others seem to have narrowed in the last few decades.

  116. @Twinkie
    AE, could I see the white number above broken down by income?

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    By class among non-Hispanic whites (sorry for the delayed response):

    Lower — 14%
    Working — 13%
    Middle — 15%
    Upper — 29%

  117. @Hacienda
    Look at how close the numbers line up. On cue- Blacks, Hispanics, Asians; and of course Whites and Indians. Where are the Jews in this? If they are in sync with BHAs, then I have to start questioning my belief that Jews are White and give credit to Malla.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    The sample is really small, but it’s 30%.

  118. @Twinkie
    @Audacious Epigone


    Excluding the orthodox who have little power in America, Jews are outmarrying at high rates and their fertility is below replacement. Outside of the orthodox, Jewishness is diluting and dying out, not growing.
     
    I don't know if anyone has ever looked at the data, but it seems to me, at least anecdotally, that Jewish outmarriages tend to assimilate the Gentile partners and the resultant offspring into Jewishness (or at least some form of Jewish identity) unlike East Asian outmarriages.

    Some years ago, I linked to an article that looked at Jewish-East Asian intermarriages, in which the children overwhelmingly identified as Jews rather than East Asians.

    You see that with couples such as the Chua-Rubenfelds. The Tiger Cubs stated in an interview that they had Bat Mitzvah (as mom's insistence) and considered themselves Jewish "except in stuff like food" (as in, they like to eat mom's food, not dad's).

    I note that they used to be the Rubenfelds, but have become the Chua-Rubenfelds upon their mom becoming quite the celebrity.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    That could go some way in explaining why Jewish aptitudinal/IQ advantages over others seem to have narrowed in the last few decades.

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