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Listening to a discussion between polymath Razib Khan and demographer, social scientist, and geneticist Melinda Mills, I was struck by something Mills said in the context of using information such as polygenic scores gleaned from studies on huge genetic databases to help people with fertility problems overcome those problems. It is clear she is uncomfortable with the subject (begin at at 39m21s if interested):
There’s a larger issue that I know you’ve thought about before. Many of us are thinking about, “Why couldn’t you apply this?” Well, the first thing, the elephant in the room that we haven’t talked about, is that our study–and about 90% of genetic discoveries–are done on European ancestry populations. So as a social scientist, it’s one of the first things you notice.
We have an open access paper that’s in Communications Biology where we actually analyzed all 4,000 genetic discoveries to date and looked at these aspects. So that’s one reason. If you would apply these right now, you know, they’re only relevant to European ancestry groups and that would be very problematic. It would exacerbate health inequalities.
Because the lion’s share of all genetically actionable information has, up to this point, come from the genomes of ancestral Europeans, the benefits of applying these insights to real people would disproportionately accrue to people of European descent. And that, as the lady says, is problematic. If these discoveries don’t help Africans, Amerindians, and Asians, too, then nobody gets to benefit from them. We’re trying to narrow the gap, not widen it, after all.
She is an impressive researcher and if she’s talking to Khan, she’s a lot smarter than I am. The intent here is not disrespect or scorn. She is the product of the intellectual environment she lives in, though, and this is it.
I do wonder, if the corona virus mutates again and begins infecting non-Asians at the rate it currently seems to be infecting Asians, and researchers are able to devise a vaccine that provides immunity for people of, say, European ancestry but proves ineffective for everyone else, will the FDA and the WHO ban production of said vaccine to the cheers of the blue check mark brigade? While I can envision a Babylon Bee story reporting on the WHO doing exactly that, I can also envision The New York Times reporting the same.
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To Progs, equality is not about lifting people up. It’s about dragging everyone and everything to the same miserable, stupid low
And that, as the lady says, is problematic.
Since applying the benefits of America to Americans is problematic, that this would be problematic is a no brainer.
And yet it’s whites that are in the most need of help with fertility…🤨
Doesn’t it make sense to help those that are having the biggest handicap in a particular area of life with assistance in that very area?!
Peace.
Not if you want "those people" to vanish.
Besides, TFR's in populations of any size are generally not medical, but behavioral in origin.Replies: @Talha
Doesn’t it make sense to help those that are having the biggest handicap in a particular area of life with assistance in that very area?!
Peace.Replies: @anon
Doesn’t it make sense to help those that are having the biggest handicap in a particular area of life with assistance in that very area?!
Not if you want “those people” to vanish.
Besides, TFR’s in populations of any size are generally not medical, but behavioral in origin.
"Italy’s birth rate hit a record low in 2018, making it the least procreative country in the EU."
https://www.thelocal.it/20191030/how-ageing-italy-plans-to-bump-up-its-birth-rate-in-2020
So, IF you actually have whites that want children and the one thing in the way is a technical issue, I simply don't see why it's not worth helping those guys out. White populations can use all the help they can get right now and time is of the essence.
Peace.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Every last word and idea expressed in this fragment is quite outside the powers of the reality we inhabit, so I would not bother worrying about any hypothetical sequalae.
This is not a real issue with East Asians. There is considerable genetic and medical research going on in East Asia. And East Asians in the U.S. have the highest lifespan among the major ethnic groups. They are also SWPL par excellence and participate in services such as 23andMe at higher rates than their share of the population. (South Asians, despite being highly selected cognitively and educationally in the U.S. have health issues, especially cardiovascular, e.g. “Indian heart,” and quickly develop obesity-related problems here.)
Hispanics in the U.S. currently have higher average lifespans than whites, but they suffer from poverty and related medical access issues, as well as increasing obesity. And the category is ethnic rather than racial, so there are data collection, sampling, and categorization concerns.
And there are blacks who have poor everything – mortality, lifestyle choices, addiction rate, medical access, etc. And they seem to have poor longevity genes, to boot.
Let Africans, Amerindians, and Asians do their own studies/discoveries.
This is not a verbatim quote…Mills absolutely says exacterbate…perhaps she was thinking of masturbate.
Whoaaaaaaaaaaa Nelly.
When I was in school 0.3% is hardly representative of a generalize-able theory . Here’s a study that examined 4000 studies that included as many as 500,000 people and among all of those people, the interviewer and the interviewee both claim that 12 hits among a possible millions of relations and connections of genes claim significance.
Here’s a study that is an amalgam of variables: biological and environmental with no distinction between them all tossed into the analysis as though all variables are alike. They are light years from a coherent theory of genetic behavior consequence to genetic code or processes. They combine the obvious to leap to conclusions that are not supported by the data. For example glaring issue:
they include people’s choices for a myriad of reasons not to have children and the “fitness issue” a though they are the same. That manipulates the numbers and is simply lousy/careless analysis. And stunningly, no one , but n one seems the least tad concerned that these studies are based not on science or medical data 0- but phone interviews of say, “twin studies” with no clue as to the actual biology of the people interviewed.
One of the glaring issues is that those in the field are so excited about what they think is the case they discuss it as though it is fact. Fortunately Dr. Mills admits that they simply don’t have the data to apply the research — regardless that the studies are limited to European populations — even ignoring the rest of the planet — they don’t have the data to make the implied applications to the issue . . .
“very complex phenotype” “complex disease related to lifestyle” to her credit she acknowledges that simply aren’t there . . . getting there maybe, but not even close. And then the coupe de gras . . . we don’t know the social impact on genetic development and she makes it clear that clearly environment plays a significant role.
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The political correctness preventing genetic manipulation to improve the life of Europeans is rebutted by the Dr. Mills herself.
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Oy and oy! Whether one wants to complain that political correctness is hindering application, that’s a lousy excuse compared to the Everest of data they don’t know about human genetic relations.
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I took a look at the paper and it is this material always is very interesting.
Here's a study that is an amalgam of variables: biological and environmental with no distinction between them all tossed into the analysis as though all variables are alike. They are light years from a coherent theory of genetic behavior consequence to genetic code or processes. They combine the obvious to leap to conclusions that are not supported by the data. For example glaring issue:they include people's choices for a myriad of reasons not to have children and the "fitness issue" a though they are the same. That manipulates the numbers and is simply lousy/careless analysis. And stunningly, no one , but n one seems the least tad concerned that these studies are based not on science or medical data 0- but phone interviews of say, "twin studies" with no clue as to the actual biology of the people interviewed.One of the glaring issues is that those in the field are so excited about what they think is the case they discuss it as though it is fact. Fortunately Dr. Mills admits that they simply don't have the data to apply the research -- regardless that the studies are limited to European populations --- even ignoring the rest of the planet -- they don't have the data to make the implied applications to the issue . . ."very complex phenotype" "complex disease related to lifestyle" to her credit she acknowledges that simply aren't there . . . getting there maybe, but not even close. And then the coupe de gras . . . we don't know the social impact on genetic development and she makes it clear that clearly environment plays a significant role.
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The political correctness preventing genetic manipulation to improve the life of Europeans is rebutted by the Dr. Mills herself.-------------------------------------
Oy and oy! Whether one wants to complain that political correctness is hindering application, that's a lousy excuse compared to the Everest of data they don't know about human genetic relations.
---------- I took a look at the paper and it is this material always is very interesting.Replies: @EliteCommInc.
correction:
“very complex phenotype” “complex disease related to lifestyle” to her credit she acknowledges that they simply aren’t there . . . getting there maybe, but not even close. And then the coupe de gras . . . we don’t know the social/environmental impact on genetic development and she makes it clear that clearly environment plays a significant role.
i would be careful to hyperventilate on the content that confirms one’s politics and ignore the content that admits — we don’t have the data even for a closed system of Northern Europe.
Part of anti-Christian Globalist theology is opposition to marriage and 2-parent families. To the extent that whites are victims of globalism, they are more likely to defer having children later in life when it is more difficult.
The gap this may be behavioural, not genetic.
PEACE 😇
Not if you want "those people" to vanish.
Besides, TFR's in populations of any size are generally not medical, but behavioral in origin.Replies: @Talha
Totally agree, but there are countries in Europe with TFR’s below 1.5. And that nobody seems to voluntarily be wanting to pull their weight to help get out of that nosedive:
“Italy’s birth rate hit a record low in 2018, making it the least procreative country in the EU.”
https://www.thelocal.it/20191030/how-ageing-italy-plans-to-bump-up-its-birth-rate-in-2020
So, IF you actually have whites that want children and the one thing in the way is a technical issue, I simply don’t see why it’s not worth helping those guys out. White populations can use all the help they can get right now and time is of the essence.
Peace.
I just got done reading a bunch of commenters and the host ragging on Libertarians again. Listen, people, do you know how much of your lives you are spending making money for other, non-White Poeple to AFFORD THEIR FAMILIES?! Do you, really? Add up all the taxes of our current Socialist State, and you'll find that to be middle-class at the level to afford having kids as responsible people, you men will be working 1/2 time for everyone else. How does it feel to have 1/2 of your working life stolen? Wait, I already know.
I'm tired of reading that these Libertarians and their whining about taxes is just wonky stuff like "capital gains rates must be lowered", "on the margin ..." "the Laffer curve". What you need to understand is that when you are forced to pay for other people's stuff, not as charity, mind you, but forced to, then you have less to raise a family with yourself. Not understanding this is basically the definition of being a CUCK.
I'm not at all taking this out on you, Talha, but you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time! ;-}Replies: @A123, @Talha
In the USA, we are going to see the rise of a leader who will combine the power of George Washington and the energy of Andrew Jackson and the grim determination and invincibilty of William the Conqueror.
This leader and the new political party called White Core American will pledge to remove the foreigners and financially liquidate the billionaires and remove from power the current controllers of the mass corporate media.
In 1978, the population of the USA was 220 million people. It was a good time in America, and the Los Angeles Dodgers, who lost to the New York Yankees in the 1978 World Series, eventually beat the Yankees in 1981, which was the year that the federal funds rate hit 20 percent.
Debt Repudiations and DEBT JUBILEES and other debt extinguishment will be used to remove the evil and immoral JEW/WASP ruling class from power.
The treasonous Republican Party will be completely and totally obliterated, and many if not most of the Republican Party ruling class and donors and politicians will be removed from the USA.
Citizenship revocations and mass deportations will be used to get the population of the USA down from the current over 320 million to 220 million people.
Young White Core Americans will be able to enjoy AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION and they will control the corporate propaganda apparatus and the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank.
The above is radical, but it’s more fun than Amy Klobuchar and Joe Biden and the other globalizer whores who debated last night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36MKP3HaxgU
Peace.Replies: @Charles Pewitt
“So, IF you actually have whites that want children and the one thing in the way is a technical issue, I simply don’t see why it’s not worth helping those guys out.”
biological infertility is a real factor. It would not be 100% nonbiological however, for those who are able, upwards of 80% plus,
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Nothing is preventing whites from having children. The Europeans have made peculiar choices regarding birth control. But there is no outside force preventing them from making a different choice regarding children.
Germany made a choice and the impact appears to be positive and that includes among native Germans, not just those who have immigrated.
So if the matter is not biological — and there’s no outside force pressuring against child birth 0 the issue is internal to those countries.
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This leader and the new political party called White Core American will pledge to remove the foreigners and financially liquidate the billionaires and remove from power the current controllers of the mass corporate media.
In 1978, the population of the USA was 220 million people. It was a good time in America, and the Los Angeles Dodgers, who lost to the New York Yankees in the 1978 World Series, eventually beat the Yankees in 1981, which was the year that the federal funds rate hit 20 percent.
Debt Repudiations and DEBT JUBILEES and other debt extinguishment will be used to remove the evil and immoral JEW/WASP ruling class from power.
The treasonous Republican Party will be completely and totally obliterated, and many if not most of the Republican Party ruling class and donors and politicians will be removed from the USA.
Citizenship revocations and mass deportations will be used to get the population of the USA down from the current over 320 million to 220 million people.
Young White Core Americans will be able to enjoy AFFORDABLE FAMILY FORMATION and they will control the corporate propaganda apparatus and the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank.
The above is radical, but it's more fun than Amy Klobuchar and Joe Biden and the other globalizer whores who debated last night.Replies: @Talha
Dude! I totally remember that guy – I used to have his figure and the air chariot!
Peace.
Germany must get a nuclear deterrent and Trump's new spy guy can let the Germans turn the screw and get a nuke and then have a going away party for the American Empire at Ramstein Air Base.
IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE
IT'S OKAY TO BE GERMAN
IT'S OKAY TO BE A WHITE SOUTHERNER OR WHITE NEW ENGLANDER
IT'S OKAY TO SING SWEET LOW SWEET CHARIOT -- COMING FOR TO CARRY ME HOME
WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36MKP3HaxgU
Peace.Replies: @Charles Pewitt
The new political party called WHITE CORE AMERICA will eschew the air chariot and go for the electronic command and control of the newly nationalized Federal Reserve Bank and the corporate propaganda apparatus and the control of the electronic intelligence gathering apparatus and the US military and the electronic command and control of the USA nuclear arsenal. Trump’s new spy guy, after he hopefully fires every sonofabitch in the CIA, will let the NSA and the US military run the spook network.
Germany must get a nuclear deterrent and Trump’s new spy guy can let the Germans turn the screw and get a nuke and then have a going away party for the American Empire at Ramstein Air Base.
IT’S OKAY TO BE WHITE
IT’S OKAY TO BE GERMAN
IT’S OKAY TO BE A WHITE SOUTHERNER OR WHITE NEW ENGLANDER
IT’S OKAY TO SING SWEET LOW SWEET CHARIOT — COMING FOR TO CARRY ME HOME
WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrwAempYmM0
"Italy’s birth rate hit a record low in 2018, making it the least procreative country in the EU."
https://www.thelocal.it/20191030/how-ageing-italy-plans-to-bump-up-its-birth-rate-in-2020
So, IF you actually have whites that want children and the one thing in the way is a technical issue, I simply don't see why it's not worth helping those guys out. White populations can use all the help they can get right now and time is of the essence.
Peace.Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Yes they can. One thing that would help a WHOLE LOT would be not having these formerly middle-class white people taxed out the YING-YANG. There’s something called “affordable family formation” that Steve Sailer discusses all the time. It really helps to have the resources, money, space, and a safe place for education to raise some kids.
I just got done reading a bunch of commenters and the host ragging on Libertarians again. Listen, people, do you know how much of your lives you are spending making money for other, non-White Poeple to AFFORD THEIR FAMILIES?! Do you, really? Add up all the taxes of our current Socialist State, and you’ll find that to be middle-class at the level to afford having kids as responsible people, you men will be working 1/2 time for everyone else. How does it feel to have 1/2 of your working life stolen? Wait, I already know.
I’m tired of reading that these Libertarians and their whining about taxes is just wonky stuff like “capital gains rates must be lowered”, “on the margin …” “the Laffer curve”. What you need to understand is that when you are forced to pay for other people’s stuff, not as charity, mind you, but forced to, then you have less to raise a family with yourself. Not understanding this is basically the definition of being a CUCK.
I’m not at all taking this out on you, Talha, but you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time! ;-}
You are of course correct. Taxes taken from Christians is a huge problem in the U.S. The fact they go to anti-American Muslims like violent Talha just compounds the problems.
PEACE 😇
Peace.
I just got done reading a bunch of commenters and the host ragging on Libertarians again. Listen, people, do you know how much of your lives you are spending making money for other, non-White Poeple to AFFORD THEIR FAMILIES?! Do you, really? Add up all the taxes of our current Socialist State, and you'll find that to be middle-class at the level to afford having kids as responsible people, you men will be working 1/2 time for everyone else. How does it feel to have 1/2 of your working life stolen? Wait, I already know.
I'm tired of reading that these Libertarians and their whining about taxes is just wonky stuff like "capital gains rates must be lowered", "on the margin ..." "the Laffer curve". What you need to understand is that when you are forced to pay for other people's stuff, not as charity, mind you, but forced to, then you have less to raise a family with yourself. Not understanding this is basically the definition of being a CUCK.
I'm not at all taking this out on you, Talha, but you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time! ;-}Replies: @A123, @Talha
“Taqiyya” Talha is a vicious Muslim racist. Do not let the Satanist bother you.
You are of course correct. Taxes taken from Christians is a huge problem in the U.S. The fact they go to anti-American Muslims like violent Talha just compounds the problems.
PEACE 😇
Germany must get a nuclear deterrent and Trump's new spy guy can let the Germans turn the screw and get a nuke and then have a going away party for the American Empire at Ramstein Air Base.
IT'S OKAY TO BE WHITE
IT'S OKAY TO BE GERMAN
IT'S OKAY TO BE A WHITE SOUTHERNER OR WHITE NEW ENGLANDER
IT'S OKAY TO SING SWEET LOW SWEET CHARIOT -- COMING FOR TO CARRY ME HOME
WHITE CORE AMERICA RISING!Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
Charles, I agree with you 95% of the time, and you are entertaining as all get out. I can’t help but think of the following after your Swing Low Sweet Chariot remark:
I just got done reading a bunch of commenters and the host ragging on Libertarians again. Listen, people, do you know how much of your lives you are spending making money for other, non-White Poeple to AFFORD THEIR FAMILIES?! Do you, really? Add up all the taxes of our current Socialist State, and you'll find that to be middle-class at the level to afford having kids as responsible people, you men will be working 1/2 time for everyone else. How does it feel to have 1/2 of your working life stolen? Wait, I already know.
I'm tired of reading that these Libertarians and their whining about taxes is just wonky stuff like "capital gains rates must be lowered", "on the margin ..." "the Laffer curve". What you need to understand is that when you are forced to pay for other people's stuff, not as charity, mind you, but forced to, then you have less to raise a family with yourself. Not understanding this is basically the definition of being a CUCK.
I'm not at all taking this out on you, Talha, but you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time! ;-}Replies: @A123, @Talha
Yup.
No problem man – I’m wrapping up my taxes this weekend, and I can understand why you are losses off! So am I!
Peace.
No, that comment was written BEFORE looking at my taxes! I guess my attitude could get a lot worse. I usually wait until mid-April to do ’em and send em in, in order to get into the middle of the pile … never been audited.
Thanks for the reply.
Peace.
Thanks for the reply.Replies: @Talha
Unfortunately, because my wife gets a 1099, we have to do it early to make sure she knows how many weeks she has to work to basically pay the government on time.
Same here – thank God!
Peace.
Speaking of white TFR, this is the perfect thread to bug you for an up to date version of https://www.unz.com/anepigone/among-whites-conservative-libera/.
It’s almost been half a decade Audacious, hit us with some new white TFR broken-down-by-political-groupings-data!
Interesting post Audacious Epigone I’ve enjoyed your blog for many years.
You said:
I do wonder, if the corona virus mutates again and begins infecting non-Asians at the rate it currently seems to be infecting Asians
I may be uninformed but I thought the near isolation of the corona virus reflects its origin the city of Wuhan, and the areas Wuhan people traveled to for the Chinese New Year before imposition of quarantine and travel restrictions by the government.
Is there evidence you have the corona virus favors infecting east Asians overs non-Asians, or is this some form of unsupported speculation to create a scenario?