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A plurality of Americans now believe coronavirus was “created in a laboratory”. This doesn’t necessarily imply a belief that it was intended as a bioweapon. Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness or disgruntlement will be included in the plurality alongside those who think it a Chinese or American bioweapon. Demographic breakdowns, with the one-in-five respondents who answered “not sure” excluded:

The familiar pattern of white Democrats on one end, Republicans on the other, and non-white mostly Democrats falling in between shows up here.

 
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  1. It is a credit to the Nazi’s that the breeding (or should I say inbreeding) experiments have been a success beyond their wildest dreams. They will believe anything and do anything and eat anything and even fight each other over crumbs. But soon, they will come to realize it was da Juz who really were the Nazi sympathizers and worshipers. Our Grandchild and sister Kingdom, Israel will soon rule the Earth and the Goyem will be slaves for eternity. Jehovah has finally spoken.

  2. >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I’m pretty solidly in this camp. Believing that the Chinese government lied its ass off early and often to the detriment of the world and thinking the idea that they (or we) intentionally launched a pandemic is ludicrous aren’t mutually exclusive.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I’m pretty solidly in this camp.
     
    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    I had a friend who thought he was in direct communication with androids from outer space. There was just as much solid evidence for his belief as there is for all the crackpot coronavirus conspiracy theories.

    As Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes say, “It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    Replies: @songbird, @Dumbo

  3. @nebulafox
    >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I'm pretty solidly in this camp. Believing that the Chinese government lied its ass off early and often to the detriment of the world and thinking the idea that they (or we) intentionally launched a pandemic is ludicrous aren't mutually exclusive.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I’m pretty solidly in this camp.

    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    I had a friend who thought he was in direct communication with androids from outer space. There was just as much solid evidence for his belief as there is for all the crackpot coronavirus conspiracy theories.

    As Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes say, “It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @songbird
    @dfordoom

    AC Doyle also wrote “From a drop of water, a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other."

    Holmes made many leaping conclusions, and, his creator, Doyle wasn't exactly a constrained thinker either.


    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?
     
    It's unprovable, but a perfectly reasonable theory in no way akin to androids from outer space.

    First one must ask, why Wuhan? When there are hundreds of wet markets in China and hundreds outside China, in places like Vietnam, where it is likely many have more exotic animals. Well, it so happens that there are two viral research labs in Wuhan, a remarkable coincidence.

    Leaks from labs are more common than most people think, especially low security ones. Suppose it was from a leak? Something they were studying. Do you think they would admit it, when it has likely caused trillions of dollars in economic damage? I don't think they would admit it internally, let alone externally. In such a scenario, there is exactly zero chance of them admitting it externally. More likely, they would pretend it was an act of nature.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Dumbo
    @dfordoom

    The origin of corona is somewhat irrelevant, what's more relevant (for me, at any rate) is that the pandemic was clearly used to model lots of things that we are going to see much more of (lockdowns, social distancing, data tracking, drones, general authoritarian measures etc). They were waiting for a pandemic (Sars, Ebola, whatever) to use as an excuse, they got it with corona.


    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

     

    I personally don't, however, it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats. Very similar to current COVID virus. Maybe it's a coincidence, if you believe in coincidences.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  4. @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I’m pretty solidly in this camp.
     
    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    I had a friend who thought he was in direct communication with androids from outer space. There was just as much solid evidence for his belief as there is for all the crackpot coronavirus conspiracy theories.

    As Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes say, “It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    Replies: @songbird, @Dumbo

    AC Doyle also wrote “From a drop of water, a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other.”

    Holmes made many leaping conclusions, and, his creator, Doyle wasn’t exactly a constrained thinker either.

    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    It’s unprovable, but a perfectly reasonable theory in no way akin to androids from outer space.

    First one must ask, why Wuhan? When there are hundreds of wet markets in China and hundreds outside China, in places like Vietnam, where it is likely many have more exotic animals. Well, it so happens that there are two viral research labs in Wuhan, a remarkable coincidence.

    Leaks from labs are more common than most people think, especially low security ones. Suppose it was from a leak? Something they were studying. Do you think they would admit it, when it has likely caused trillions of dollars in economic damage? I don’t think they would admit it internally, let alone externally. In such a scenario, there is exactly zero chance of them admitting it externally. More likely, they would pretend it was an act of nature.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon, JosephB
    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @songbird

    Could it have come from the nearby wet market and also originated in a lab.?How implausible is it that someone working in the lab would take some discarded test animals and sell them to a vendor at the market?

    Replies: @songbird

  5. The public, what do they know?

  6. Dumbo says:
    @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    >Those who suspect it was used for other research purposes before spreading to the public through carelessness

    I’m pretty solidly in this camp.
     
    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    I had a friend who thought he was in direct communication with androids from outer space. There was just as much solid evidence for his belief as there is for all the crackpot coronavirus conspiracy theories.

    As Conan Doyle has Sherlock Holmes say, “It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.”

    Replies: @songbird, @Dumbo

    The origin of corona is somewhat irrelevant, what’s more relevant (for me, at any rate) is that the pandemic was clearly used to model lots of things that we are going to see much more of (lockdowns, social distancing, data tracking, drones, general authoritarian measures etc). They were waiting for a pandemic (Sars, Ebola, whatever) to use as an excuse, they got it with corona.

    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

    I personally don’t, however, it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats. Very similar to current COVID virus. Maybe it’s a coincidence, if you believe in coincidences.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dumbo

    "it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats"

    Probably not so widely known, America was paying them to do it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

    Replies: @A123

  7. @Dumbo
    @dfordoom

    The origin of corona is somewhat irrelevant, what's more relevant (for me, at any rate) is that the pandemic was clearly used to model lots of things that we are going to see much more of (lockdowns, social distancing, data tracking, drones, general authoritarian measures etc). They were waiting for a pandemic (Sars, Ebola, whatever) to use as an excuse, they got it with corona.


    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?

     

    I personally don't, however, it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats. Very similar to current COVID virus. Maybe it's a coincidence, if you believe in coincidences.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats”

    Probably not so widely known, America was paying them to do it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Probably not so widely known, America was paying them to do it.
     
    It is well known that Barack Hussein's administration was happy to collaborate with China for the Greater Glory of Globalism. (1)

    Dr. Fauci would be the guy on the hot seat, and he is a revered “expert” in the press’s narrative. Even more important, Fauci’s enlistment of the Wuhan lab to do research banned in the U.S. happened in 2015–that is to say, during the Obama administration.
     
    What I do not understand is people's trust in Collaborator Fauci. He is a sell-out working against U.S. Citizens.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/us-funded-wuhan-labs-virus-research.php
  8. Anon[313] • Disclaimer says:

    The Times of Israel says one of our intelligence agencies warned Israel about a virus in Wuhan back in November. The Chinese themselves didn’t seem to note it at the time. As Ron Unz has noted, this seems like an arsonist predicting a fire. Maybe our intel watching hospital trends is just really on the ball, and we spotted a trend before the Chinese did, or maybe we were comfirming an anticipated success.

    • Thanks: Neoconned
  9. A123 says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dumbo

    "it is widely known that the lab at Wuhan was researching SARS coronaviruses in bats"

    Probably not so widely known, America was paying them to do it.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html

    Replies: @A123

    Probably not so widely known, America was paying them to do it.

    It is well known that Barack Hussein’s administration was happy to collaborate with China for the Greater Glory of Globalism. (1)

    Dr. Fauci would be the guy on the hot seat, and he is a revered “expert” in the press’s narrative. Even more important, Fauci’s enlistment of the Wuhan lab to do research banned in the U.S. happened in 2015–that is to say, during the Obama administration.

    What I do not understand is people’s trust in Collaborator Fauci. He is a sell-out working against U.S. Citizens.

    PEACE 😷
    _______

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/05/us-funded-wuhan-labs-virus-research.php

  10. I don’t believe in the bioweapons theory – I don’t think there is a state-player that obviously benefits from this – but I think this virus has opened a lot of people’s eyes to the possibilities of bioweapons.

    This relatively weak virus (at least when compared to smallpox, etc) has caused a tremendous amount of disruption. Economic and quite likely political. I don’t think anyone can even estimate it accurately yet.

    There is a question of whether this is a one-time response, but, if not, I would say that whatever the pricetag to make it is, it is probably worth it. That is, provided your goals were served by it.

  11. Facts and data mean little absent context. Context is what is missing from much of the corona debate. We know that the US and EU financial sectors had been struggling to stave off a collapse of the big banks since August when they stopped accepting certain paper as collateral for short term “overnight” loans between banks. The so called “re-po market” issue to which the FED responded by making a trillion dollars available to cover these loans that the banks, who no longer trust each other’s assets, were unwilling to make.

    What was needed was an event that could be used to cover the impending looting of the treasury which the banks needed to make themselves whole and the associated collapse. An event that would direct blame away from these banksters so that they would be free to restart the game again on the other side of this new depression.

    It reminds one of the “need for a new Pearl Harbor…” line in the PNAC document. I think that the odds that this virus scare is a natural occurrence is about the same that 9/11 was committed by a handful of 75 IQ arabs operating alone.

    • Agree: Adam Smith, Neoconned
  12. I believe it was an accidental release caused by the typical slap-dash way the Chinese do things when they are desperately trying to catch up or make a buck. I respect their intelligence and work ethic but there seems to be a giant black hole in their reasoning sometimes.

    Also, is the concept of maintenance or cleaning such an abhorrent concept in China? It doesn’t matter what Chinese restaurant you go to, it seems the place is falling down, filthy, or was decorated in the mid 60’s. Expiry dates seem to be a mere suggestion as well.

  13. @songbird
    @dfordoom

    AC Doyle also wrote “From a drop of water, a logician could infer the possibility of an Atlantic or a Niagara without having seen or heard of one or the other."

    Holmes made many leaping conclusions, and, his creator, Doyle wasn't exactly a constrained thinker either.


    Do you have a shred of evidence to support that belief?
     
    It's unprovable, but a perfectly reasonable theory in no way akin to androids from outer space.

    First one must ask, why Wuhan? When there are hundreds of wet markets in China and hundreds outside China, in places like Vietnam, where it is likely many have more exotic animals. Well, it so happens that there are two viral research labs in Wuhan, a remarkable coincidence.

    Leaks from labs are more common than most people think, especially low security ones. Suppose it was from a leak? Something they were studying. Do you think they would admit it, when it has likely caused trillions of dollars in economic damage? I don't think they would admit it internally, let alone externally. In such a scenario, there is exactly zero chance of them admitting it externally. More likely, they would pretend it was an act of nature.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    Could it have come from the nearby wet market and also originated in a lab.?How implausible is it that someone working in the lab would take some discarded test animals and sell them to a vendor at the market?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Audacious Epigone

    I actually knew someone who became infected with a bacterium while working with it in a lab. It was just a common bug, not the stuff to give one nightmares, but enough to make one ill.

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of the labs sold bats to the wet market, though if it leaped directly from bats to people, then I favor the theory that it came from the lab itself. I think a live animal is a more likely source than a dead one. I can't imagine anyone eating raw bat either. Of course, it might have had something to do with the preparation of the meat, rather than eating it, or it may have been from a mass-consumed animal, like chickens, that got it from another species.

  14. @Audacious Epigone
    @songbird

    Could it have come from the nearby wet market and also originated in a lab.?How implausible is it that someone working in the lab would take some discarded test animals and sell them to a vendor at the market?

    Replies: @songbird

    I actually knew someone who became infected with a bacterium while working with it in a lab. It was just a common bug, not the stuff to give one nightmares, but enough to make one ill.

    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one of the labs sold bats to the wet market, though if it leaped directly from bats to people, then I favor the theory that it came from the lab itself. I think a live animal is a more likely source than a dead one. I can’t imagine anyone eating raw bat either. Of course, it might have had something to do with the preparation of the meat, rather than eating it, or it may have been from a mass-consumed animal, like chickens, that got it from another species.

  15. utu says:

    The operation Wuhan was a great success. The operation called for a great sacrifice of thousands of lives and lockdowns of economies all over the world but now everybody firmly believes it was China’s fault. Now, the only equation is how TPTP will capitalize on this. Will they turn China into a pariah surrounded with boycott and sanctions?

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