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The following table shows the percentages of Americans who express a very/somewhat favorable opinion of Russian president Vladimir Putin. “Not sure” responses, constituting 19% of the total, are excluded so that the residual values represent the percentages of people who express a very/somewhat unfavorable opinion of him:

The familiar pattern of white Democrats on the ‘extreme’ end of the leftist spectrum and non-white Democrats occupying a more moderate position emerges here.

The generational divide is also notable. If the American political landscape is an equity market, I’m long on authoritarianism. Sulla is being summoned.

Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of!

 
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  1. Maybe this has nothing to do with authoritarianism, perceived or real, but sovereignty instead. Maybe this survey result is because 1-in-5 Americans admire leaders who appear to be working for the preservation of their own people and country.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Agree.


    "The generational divide is also notable. If the American political landscape is an equity market, I’m long on authoritarianism. Sulla is being summoned."
     
    The Sulla meme might be right, but this survey doesn't prove it. 18-44 year olds being Putin appreciators is probably because those cohorts (wisely) don't get their news from the MSM, so they haven't internalized its tropes and lies. Hispanics and "Others" (=Asians?), who disproportionately have come from places with genuine authoritarian governments, can plainly see that Putin is not. Republican well wishers of Putin is simply the sane residue that remains after you strip out the loony Democrats.
    , @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Pronoun trouble:


    Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of.
     
    So, where does that "we think" leave those of "us" who don't share "our absurd conception"?

    AE's take is condescending and pessimistic.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    , @Audacious Epigone
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That was intended to be facetious, though you are completely forgiven for not being able to tell since I did a bad job communicating it. Up too late watching riot porn. It's hard for a man to take his eyes off a fire, especially when that fire is a big building down town.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    , @SFG
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Buzz...I suspect it's more that the Dems have decided Russia is bad, so some Republicans probably figure "if they don't like Putin, he must have some good qualities."

  2. Yeah, it’s not so much about authoritarianism, as a need for a real leadership, actual or perceived, and someone who is not a cuckolding traitor. Also, most current Western leaders are either gay or feminized males, or if not masculine women (when not actual transvestites), with none of the qualities of traditional sovereigns. It’s hard to withstand this for long.

    I mean people like Trudeau, Macron, Merkel, Jacinda Whatever, Conte, what kind of respect can they get? Even if you are crazy enough to somehow agree with their policies, they just don’t have the posture of leaders. So it is clear that they are just puppets and someone else is behind them (of course, this could also happen with leaders that look like real leaders, but at least the theatrics would be better).

    • Replies: @216
    @Dumbo

    I'd hesitate to call Macron weak. He's been quite willing to use the powers of the state to crush his opponents.

    Merkel has also dispatched rival after rival for the CDU party leadership, installing a drone as her successor who has proven so weak that the party will beg her to run again next year.

    Yes, many neoliberals are personally weak. But not all of them. And given time, a new breed of tougher neoliberals could emerge.

    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Dumbo

    Has anyone, ever, attempted to define this idiotic word of "authoritarianism"?

    If a country has strong authority from its military or secret services, BUT plenty of different decision making from completely different people on finance, health, education, culture and so on (also could have plenty of regional autonomy) then it is not "Authoritarian" in my view.

  3. Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of.

    Maybe 1-in-5 of us are better informed than Putler memes. Then again, a majority of my fellow Trump backers thinks that the U.S. handled the pandemic better than South Korea’s did, so…

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free. The response by everyone has made me feel a far closer bond with those around me (in spite of social distancing). Even our famously dreadful postal service stepped up to the mark. The problem is we cannot deal with the rest of the world without being reinfected. Maybe we'll have to behave more lie the DPRK and declare ourselves a hermit kingdom.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @utu

  4. I’m curious what you think about BUSH DID NORTH DAKOTA article from Scott Alexander

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/05/28/bush-did-north-dakota/

    I’ve previously talked about a lizardman constant of 4% on polls. That is, it’s hard to get a poll result much lower than four percent for anything, because of respondents making mistakes or trolling. If 4% of people supposedly believe something, that doesn’t mean we need to be concerned about that fraction of the population, it just means that poll has it its floor and it’s hard to conclude what the real number is.

    In the same way, maybe we can posit a North Dakota constant of 33%. This is how many people believe in conspiracy theories when there’s no reason at all to believe them, not even the flimsy reasons conspiracy theories usually provide. Sometimes, if there’s a lot of evidence against them, fewer than 33% will believe in a given theory. But if it’s just “Conspiracy! True or false?” – 33% will say true.

    If he is right lots of polls on what people think have to be reconsidered.

    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
    @SIMP simp

    Pollsters have been doing jokes like this for ages.

    You'd be surprised how few of those polled express their support for Brownian motion. (About 2 to 5 per cent, depending on the language; while some 10 to 20 per cent usually "strongly disagree".)

  5. @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe this has nothing to do with authoritarianism, perceived or real, but sovereignty instead. Maybe this survey result is because 1-in-5 Americans admire leaders who appear to be working for the preservation of their own people and country.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @Audacious Epigone, @SFG

    Agree.

    “The generational divide is also notable. If the American political landscape is an equity market, I’m long on authoritarianism. Sulla is being summoned.”

    The Sulla meme might be right, but this survey doesn’t prove it. 18-44 year olds being Putin appreciators is probably because those cohorts (wisely) don’t get their news from the MSM, so they haven’t internalized its tropes and lies. Hispanics and “Others” (=Asians?), who disproportionately have come from places with genuine authoritarian governments, can plainly see that Putin is not. Republican well wishers of Putin is simply the sane residue that remains after you strip out the loony Democrats.

  6. anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    Sulla is being summoned.

    Is he though? What if there is no Sulla? We may very be closer to the time of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire than we are to the collapse of the Roman Republic. Think about it. Is there a single military officer (or civilian) who is well-known and liked enough, while also being just red-pilled enough, to get the job done while also being accepted by the masses — most of them anyway? In the past, guys like Norman Schwarzkopf, Dwight Eisenhower, and Colin Powell might have fit that bill. But no more. I don’t see a Sulla on the horizon. If anyone has some candidates, I’d be happy to discuss.

    Candidate list:

    [MORE]

    Business world

    Elon Musk? No, he’s South African.

    Mark Cuban? ahahaha

    Congress

    ANY congressional republican? No. All are neocons. That includes Josh Hawely. He’s the guy who foolishly helped start a cold war with China before we’re ready and while we already have too much on our plate. He also backed down before the ADL when they demanded he stop using the word “cosmopolitan.”

    — Same for Dan Crenshaw: https://vdare.com/articles/does-conservative-inc-golden-boy-rep-crenshaw-really-not-know-about-1965-immigration-act

    *He knows. He once laughed in a Facebook post, IIRC, about how the republican party might not even exist years from now due to demographic change. He just doesn’t care.

    Politics

    Republican no: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mitch M., Donald Trump, any of the Trump kids, Steve Bannon, …

    Democrat no: nearly all of them.

    Media

    Tucker Carlson? No. Many problems there. This includes relentlessly misrepresenting facts about the coronavirus. Most Americans won’t accept him, and there is no evidence he can do the job anyway. He also comes off as a jerk to other people, even if he’s right.

    Ben Shapiro? ahahahahahhahah

    Red-Pilled Right-Wing

    Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson? No. Tainted in the eyes of too many good whites.

    Steve Sailer? Decent choice, but not well known.

    Christopher Caldwell? Maybe. I’d need to know more.

    Andrew Anglin?

    Military

    Tulsi Gabbard? No. Hindu.

    Tammy Duckworth? No. Not trusted by whites. Crippled. Democrat. POC.

    Anyone in active service? No. Many are careerists. None have fought and won a major engagement against significant opposition. None have public recognition. None that I’m aware of also have a deep understanding of the issues — politics, economics, history, HBD.

    Retired? Lawrence Wilkerson fits maybe 60% of the bill, but he’s tainted through his association with W. Bush and is too far left-wing; good on Israel, though. Colin Powell endorsed Obama and got black woke, so he’s out the door. … etc.

    =============================================

    Here’s a scary thought. There is indeed one person who might stack up, at least in the short term, but you’re not going to like him: Barack Obama. He’s popular, has experience, and is liked enough by good whites to have a majority governing coalition. Of course, America is ultimately doomed in that case, but I could see it happening sometime post Trump. People will absolutely pick the guy who gives them temporary security over long term liberty if given the chance. Good whites will jump at the opportunity to surrender before a black guy in order to protect them from the raging black mob coming for them.

    • Thanks: Audacious Epigone
    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @anon

    Josh Hawley?

    , @BlackFlag
    @anon

    Don't underestimate Steve Sailer - he could very well be America's Sulla.

    Replies: @utu

    , @Patagonia Man
    @anon

    What about Trump continues as President under Martial Law?

    Recently, Trump trolled the Dems with tweets inferring he could remain President til 2024, 2028, 2032, .... and so on. But there's many a true thing said in jest!

    Over the next 5 mths til the 3 NOV US Presidential Election, consider this scenario unfolding:

    • the SARS-CoV2 death toll continues to mount & since winter is coming there's a 2nd Wave (with no tested vaccine in sight);
    • trade & diplomatic relations with China continue to deteriorate (what we saw in January was only Stage I of the Deal);
    • incriminating 'evidence' supporting Trump's assertions re: China's responsibility for the outbreak is made public (it doesn't even have to be proven) - the effect being a spike in Trump's popularity;
    • there's an escalation of military conflict with Venezuela, the US declaring war. Its portrayed in the US media as Venezuela being the aggressor, *coughs, trying to take advantage of the US at a time of its civil disobedience & domestic unrest;
    • most importantly, that the mock outrage escalates, fueled by the usual suspects, e.g., Al Shapiro and Obama himself (he has form in this tactic), state National Guards are fully mobilized, mailouts of ballots are abandoned (for reasons of obvious potential for abuse), etc;
    • if the 78 y.o. serial sex pest (is-he-still-in-his-basement?) Biden attempts to muster an argument against the declaration of Martial Law, he can be easily denounced as 'unAmerican', even as a traitor.

    Now here's why its a real possibility. Even before 74 y.o. Trump's election, the US elites really wanted 61 y.o. Pence to become President ... and he's the real scary one! Not just as a warhawk but as a Christian Zionist - who are just begging for Armageddon and the Rapture!

    So long story short:
    - war declared,
    - Constitution suspended (if it hasn't already been overriden by the 2001 Patriot Act),
    - election suspended,
    - Trump remains in office & rules by decree (which isn't that different from Executive Order, altho as its stands currently, there are limitations),
    - Trump voluntarily resigns 1, or even, 2 years into what would've been his 2nd term,
    - Pence continues indefinitely under the auspices that have been set up by Trump,
    - WWIII.

    Goodnite, Josephine.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  7. This entire riot shitshow is just the leadup to exactly that.

    First a tiananmen moment (which will be VERY gruesome, seeing that the problem here is quite a sizable minority), leading to the Sulla moment

  8. Given the 24/7 unfavorable coverage given Vladimir Putin by the U.S. mainstream media, I’m surprised that his favorability ratings are that high.

  9. That 19% “Not sure” is a lot, but I’d expect a “neutral” to be even higher. That’s where I stand. I don’t know enough about Mr. Putin to think of him particularly favorably, though at least the guy stands up for his people.

    I see absolutely no reason for the US and Russia to be any kind of enemies. I would think it’d be the really older folks, who either haven’t kept up with news, or are too senile to realize the Cold War has been over for 30 freakin’ years now, who have unfavorable views. Anyone else ought to damn well know better.

    As for Mr. Karlin, this is my point again: There’s no reason for animosity (other than what the left has brought up to try to bring down President Trump). However, otherwise, I don’t care too much what they do over in Russia, so long as they don’t go back Communist. Hell, they may have to be a beacon of freedom for the USSA before too long.

  10. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe this has nothing to do with authoritarianism, perceived or real, but sovereignty instead. Maybe this survey result is because 1-in-5 Americans admire leaders who appear to be working for the preservation of their own people and country.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @Audacious Epigone, @SFG

    Pronoun trouble:

    Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of.

    So, where does that “we think” leave those of “us” who don’t share “our absurd conception”?

    AE’s take is condescending and pessimistic.

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    @anonymous

    See my response to Buzz Mohawk's first comment.

  11. The question I guess is who do I believe . . .

    Our executive in the WH says that the president of Russia attempted and may have successfully sabotages the democratic process in the US bu hos direct authorization to Russian operatives. He further claims that the Russian president ordered the murder and attempted murder of allied citizens and would be guests to those countries.

    Any bid for sympathy through those lens’ is very strange, unless you think our executive was merely playing politics — a very serious charge on a very serious and ital relationship. If the the executive in the WH is correct —

    President Putin is an active enemy of the US.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @EliteCommInc.

    "I don’t care too much what they do over in Russia, so long as they don’t go back Communist."

    You would need to explain why that matters to you. It's their country -- sovereign nations should work out how they choose to govern themselves.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

  12. @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe this has nothing to do with authoritarianism, perceived or real, but sovereignty instead. Maybe this survey result is because 1-in-5 Americans admire leaders who appear to be working for the preservation of their own people and country.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @Audacious Epigone, @SFG

    That was intended to be facetious, though you are completely forgiven for not being able to tell since I did a bad job communicating it. Up too late watching riot porn. It’s hard for a man to take his eyes off a fire, especially when that fire is a big building down town.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Audacious Epigone

    LOL. Stay safe, and don't feel bad about not being understood. You should see some of the junk I've written in the middle of the night... Well, maybe you have.

  13. @anonymous
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Pronoun trouble:


    Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of.
     
    So, where does that "we think" leave those of "us" who don't share "our absurd conception"?

    AE's take is condescending and pessimistic.

    Replies: @Audacious Epigone

    See my response to Buzz Mohawk’s first comment.

  14. @SIMP simp
    I'm curious what you think about BUSH DID NORTH DAKOTA article from Scott Alexander

    https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/05/28/bush-did-north-dakota/

    I’ve previously talked about a lizardman constant of 4% on polls. That is, it’s hard to get a poll result much lower than four percent for anything, because of respondents making mistakes or trolling. If 4% of people supposedly believe something, that doesn’t mean we need to be concerned about that fraction of the population, it just means that poll has it its floor and it’s hard to conclude what the real number is.

    In the same way, maybe we can posit a North Dakota constant of 33%. This is how many people believe in conspiracy theories when there’s no reason at all to believe them, not even the flimsy reasons conspiracy theories usually provide. Sometimes, if there’s a lot of evidence against them, fewer than 33% will believe in a given theory. But if it’s just “Conspiracy! True or false?” – 33% will say true.
     
    If he is right lots of polls on what people think have to be reconsidered.

    Replies: @Haruto Rat

    Pollsters have been doing jokes like this for ages.

    You’d be surprised how few of those polled express their support for Brownian motion. (About 2 to 5 per cent, depending on the language; while some 10 to 20 per cent usually “strongly disagree”.)

    • LOL: Achmed E. Newman
  15. Heh.

    Incidentally, it used to be the Dems who were more Russia friendly – the flip is relatively recent: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/return-of-conservative-russophilia/

    Age effects are greatest, presumably due to boomers and held over associations from the Cold War.

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Where is my returned commentating rights, as promised? No combination of Gerard or email is working.

    You don't want the trust levels of a Romanian human traffiker, I assume?

  16. Putin, Shmutin! Antagonizing Russia over matters that are of minimal importance to the USA (e.g., Ukraine) is nuts. Trump’s original idea to improve relations with Russia was excellent. Too bad he allowed the Swamp to overrule him.

  17. @Audacious Epigone
    @Buzz Mohawk

    That was intended to be facetious, though you are completely forgiven for not being able to tell since I did a bad job communicating it. Up too late watching riot porn. It's hard for a man to take his eyes off a fire, especially when that fire is a big building down town.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    LOL. Stay safe, and don’t feel bad about not being understood. You should see some of the junk I’ve written in the middle of the night… Well, maybe you have.

  18. @EliteCommInc.
    The question I guess is who do I believe . . .

    Our executive in the WH says that the president of Russia attempted and may have successfully sabotages the democratic process in the US bu hos direct authorization to Russian operatives. He further claims that the Russian president ordered the murder and attempted murder of allied citizens and would be guests to those countries.


    Any bid for sympathy through those lens' is very strange, unless you think our executive was merely playing politics --- a very serious charge on a very serious and ital relationship. If the the executive in the WH is correct --

    President Putin is an active enemy of the US.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

    “I don’t care too much what they do over in Russia, so long as they don’t go back Communist.”

    You would need to explain why that matters to you. It’s their country — sovereign nations should work out how they choose to govern themselves.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    @EliteCommInc.

    Oooopss, that was unintentional -----


    It was meant to correct this:

    "Our executive in the WH says that the president of Russia attempted and may have successfully sabotages the democratic process in the US by his direct authorization to Russian operatives."


    I have always respected President Putin his route to hos position included navigating the KGB and the dissolution of the communist state while not getting killed --- that makes our process of leadership development and selection a sight shrift -


    and it shows. He has repeatedly out manuvered the US in the foreign policy arena. That demands respect.

  19. @anon

    Sulla is being summoned.
     
    Is he though? What if there is no Sulla? We may very be closer to the time of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire than we are to the collapse of the Roman Republic. Think about it. Is there a single military officer (or civilian) who is well-known and liked enough, while also being just red-pilled enough, to get the job done while also being accepted by the masses -- most of them anyway? In the past, guys like Norman Schwarzkopf, Dwight Eisenhower, and Colin Powell might have fit that bill. But no more. I don't see a Sulla on the horizon. If anyone has some candidates, I'd be happy to discuss.

    Candidate list:



    Business world

    Elon Musk? No, he's South African.

    Mark Cuban? ahahaha

    Congress

    ANY congressional republican? No. All are neocons. That includes Josh Hawely. He's the guy who foolishly helped start a cold war with China before we're ready and while we already have too much on our plate. He also backed down before the ADL when they demanded he stop using the word "cosmopolitan."

    -- Same for Dan Crenshaw: https://vdare.com/articles/does-conservative-inc-golden-boy-rep-crenshaw-really-not-know-about-1965-immigration-act

    *He knows. He once laughed in a Facebook post, IIRC, about how the republican party might not even exist years from now due to demographic change. He just doesn't care.

    Politics

    Republican no: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mitch M., Donald Trump, any of the Trump kids, Steve Bannon, ...

    Democrat no: nearly all of them.

    Media

    Tucker Carlson? No. Many problems there. This includes relentlessly misrepresenting facts about the coronavirus. Most Americans won't accept him, and there is no evidence he can do the job anyway. He also comes off as a jerk to other people, even if he's right.

    Ben Shapiro? ahahahahahhahah

    Red-Pilled Right-Wing

    Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson? No. Tainted in the eyes of too many good whites.

    Steve Sailer? Decent choice, but not well known.

    Christopher Caldwell? Maybe. I'd need to know more.

    Andrew Anglin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg7qKstnPk

    Military

    Tulsi Gabbard? No. Hindu.

    Tammy Duckworth? No. Not trusted by whites. Crippled. Democrat. POC.

    Anyone in active service? No. Many are careerists. None have fought and won a major engagement against significant opposition. None have public recognition. None that I'm aware of also have a deep understanding of the issues -- politics, economics, history, HBD.

    Retired? Lawrence Wilkerson fits maybe 60% of the bill, but he's tainted through his association with W. Bush and is too far left-wing; good on Israel, though. Colin Powell endorsed Obama and got black woke, so he's out the door. ... etc.

    =============================================

    Here's a scary thought. There is indeed one person who might stack up, at least in the short term, but you're not going to like him: Barack Obama. He's popular, has experience, and is liked enough by good whites to have a majority governing coalition. Of course, America is ultimately doomed in that case, but I could see it happening sometime post Trump. People will absolutely pick the guy who gives them temporary security over long term liberty if given the chance. Good whites will jump at the opportunity to surrender before a black guy in order to protect them from the raging black mob coming for them.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @BlackFlag, @Patagonia Man

    Josh Hawley?

  20. @EliteCommInc.
    @EliteCommInc.

    "I don’t care too much what they do over in Russia, so long as they don’t go back Communist."

    You would need to explain why that matters to you. It's their country -- sovereign nations should work out how they choose to govern themselves.

    Replies: @EliteCommInc.

    Oooopss, that was unintentional —–

    It was meant to correct this:

    “Our executive in the WH says that the president of Russia attempted and may have successfully sabotages the democratic process in the US by his direct authorization to Russian operatives.”

    I have always respected President Putin his route to hos position included navigating the KGB and the dissolution of the communist state while not getting killed — that makes our process of leadership development and selection a sight shrift –

    and it shows. He has repeatedly out manuvered the US in the foreign policy arena. That demands respect.

  21. Look at his infobox

  22. 216 says:
    @Dumbo
    Yeah, it's not so much about authoritarianism, as a need for a real leadership, actual or perceived, and someone who is not a cuckolding traitor. Also, most current Western leaders are either gay or feminized males, or if not masculine women (when not actual transvestites), with none of the qualities of traditional sovereigns. It's hard to withstand this for long.

    I mean people like Trudeau, Macron, Merkel, Jacinda Whatever, Conte, what kind of respect can they get? Even if you are crazy enough to somehow agree with their policies, they just don't have the posture of leaders. So it is clear that they are just puppets and someone else is behind them (of course, this could also happen with leaders that look like real leaders, but at least the theatrics would be better).

    Replies: @216, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    I’d hesitate to call Macron weak. He’s been quite willing to use the powers of the state to crush his opponents.

    Merkel has also dispatched rival after rival for the CDU party leadership, installing a drone as her successor who has proven so weak that the party will beg her to run again next year.

    Yes, many neoliberals are personally weak. But not all of them. And given time, a new breed of tougher neoliberals could emerge.

  23. @Buzz Mohawk
    Maybe this has nothing to do with authoritarianism, perceived or real, but sovereignty instead. Maybe this survey result is because 1-in-5 Americans admire leaders who appear to be working for the preservation of their own people and country.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @anonymous, @Audacious Epigone, @SFG

    Buzz…I suspect it’s more that the Dems have decided Russia is bad, so some Republicans probably figure “if they don’t like Putin, he must have some good qualities.”

  24. Hate Crime

    Glorifying Violence

    Where is AG Barr?

    Why won’t the GOP defend its supporters?

    —-

    On a serious note, I don’t want to see Tariq banned, as his content is useful and enjoyable, and he has Dissident sympathies.

  25. Never Allowed Anything

    https://twitter.com/AgnesDieter/status/1266905877979807745

    5 days of violent nationwide communist uprising

    Some white guys trying to defend their lands: UNACCEPTABLE

  26. Hate Crime

  27. White Liberals are the Virus

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @216

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

  28. Boomercons on deck

    Communists in replies

    Glorifying violence

    CALL IT A POGROM

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @216

    I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship -- like my wife's family did.

    I sincerely want that. I want those fuckers to live for half-a-goddamned-century of bread lines and neighbors spying on them, heat being shut off in the middle of winter, electricity being shut off at random when children are trying to do their homework, as my wife's family did in Eastern Europe. No Bill of Rights. They do not deserve it.

    Oh if only we could collectively press our knees down onto their pencil necks!

    GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    (Every Black "hero-victim" has been a criminal. Funny how that works. Think about it.)

    Replies: @nebulafox

  29. @216
    White Liberals are the Virus

    https://twitter.com/kmoeincle/status/1266929378874753024

    Replies: @Twinkie

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.
     
    Agreed.

    They may well be (in fact probably are) people who are hoping Biden will lose. If Trump wins that will offer them more opportunities for increasingly violent protests. And from their political perspective a Trump victory would help to create the kind of revolutionary situation that they fantasise about.

    There are plenty of groups around at the moment who believe that a complete breakdown of the social order would be in their political interest. They all hope to provoke violent reactions. They're wrong of course, and hopelessly deluded, but you have to understand that this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think. If there's a small fire burning they want to throw gasoline on it.

    Replies: @neutral

    , @nebulafox
    @Twinkie

    In Jakarta in '98, indigenous shopowners would hang signs with or paint the words "owned by natives" ("milik pribumi" or "milik muslim") to deflect the mobs away to the intended ethnic Chinese targets. Sometimes it worked. But sometimes it didn't, because as with all riots, your typical 20-something unattached loser is attracted to the upheaval like syphilis is to a low-grade prostitute. I suspect that this is one of those things that changes very little from culture to culture, so black shopkeepers are going to figure this dynamic out for themselves if they haven't already.

    Ideologically motivated violence of any stripe makes great cover if your goal is simply loot, rape, and plunder with no repercussions, and plenty of guys love to do just that: whether out of angry nihilism, greed, a desire to do what friends are doing, or just out of bored amusement.

    , @MBlanc46
    @Twinkie

    Perhaps, but the liberals have been tacitly, and often explicitly, endorsing the actions of rioters for more than half a century.

  30. @Twinkie
    @216

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    Agreed.

    They may well be (in fact probably are) people who are hoping Biden will lose. If Trump wins that will offer them more opportunities for increasingly violent protests. And from their political perspective a Trump victory would help to create the kind of revolutionary situation that they fantasise about.

    There are plenty of groups around at the moment who believe that a complete breakdown of the social order would be in their political interest. They all hope to provoke violent reactions. They’re wrong of course, and hopelessly deluded, but you have to understand that this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think. If there’s a small fire burning they want to throw gasoline on it.

    • Replies: @neutral
    @dfordoom


    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think
     
    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.

    Replies: @dfordoom

  31. @Twinkie

    Parenthetically, Anatoly Karlin is shaking his head at our absurd conception of a dictatorial Putler running Russia with an iron fist, but that’s who we think he is and so that’s the type of leader 1-in-5 of us are desirous of.
     
    Maybe 1-in-5 of us are better informed than Putler memes. Then again, a majority of my fellow Trump backers thinks that the U.S. handled the pandemic better than South Korea’s did, so...

    Replies: @22pp22

    In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free. The response by everyone has made me feel a far closer bond with those around me (in spite of social distancing). Even our famously dreadful postal service stepped up to the mark. The problem is we cannot deal with the rest of the world without being reinfected. Maybe we’ll have to behave more lie the DPRK and declare ourselves a hermit kingdom.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @22pp22

    "In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free"

    Congratulations. But super-creepy Jacinda Ardern is still your prime minister.

    , @utu
    @22pp22

    Congrats to NZ. NZ did what no other country in the West was allowed/permitted to do. Perhaps NZ is too peripheral to bring the ire of the Eye of Sauron. Here is my take on the elimination/eradication ov virus police that was denied to most of the countries:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/which-one-is-austria-and-which-one-is-australia/#comment-3913963
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/which-one-is-austria-and-which-one-is-australia/#comment-3917262

    NZ will have to keep strict control on who and how comes in to prevent importing the virus for as long as virus is active in other countries. Some countries like Sweden should be cordoned off as a potential Typhoid Mary.

    To prevent the import of virus the visitors would be divided into several categories:

    (a) virus positive: sent back or quarantine
    (b) symptomatic: sent back or quarantine
    (c) anti-body positive can enter
    (d) else: depends on country of origin, quarantine and tracing and testing every 5 days or refuse entry.

    Basic things that were done for centuries during contagions. This is what Ellis Island was for. The UK, AUS and NZ always had very strict border crossing procedures.

    Tourism in NZ will suffer but the natural wild environment of NZ will benefit. NZ should continue its zeal in eradication of foreign species like rodents to protect its native bird species.

  32. @Anatoly Karlin
    Heh.

    Incidentally, it used to be the Dems who were more Russia friendly - the flip is relatively recent: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/return-of-conservative-russophilia/

    Age effects are greatest, presumably due to boomers and held over associations from the Cold War.

    Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Where is my returned commentating rights, as promised? No combination of Gerard or email is working.

    You don’t want the trust levels of a Romanian human traffiker, I assume?

  33. @Dumbo
    Yeah, it's not so much about authoritarianism, as a need for a real leadership, actual or perceived, and someone who is not a cuckolding traitor. Also, most current Western leaders are either gay or feminized males, or if not masculine women (when not actual transvestites), with none of the qualities of traditional sovereigns. It's hard to withstand this for long.

    I mean people like Trudeau, Macron, Merkel, Jacinda Whatever, Conte, what kind of respect can they get? Even if you are crazy enough to somehow agree with their policies, they just don't have the posture of leaders. So it is clear that they are just puppets and someone else is behind them (of course, this could also happen with leaders that look like real leaders, but at least the theatrics would be better).

    Replies: @216, @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Has anyone, ever, attempted to define this idiotic word of “authoritarianism”?

    If a country has strong authority from its military or secret services, BUT plenty of different decision making from completely different people on finance, health, education, culture and so on (also could have plenty of regional autonomy) then it is not “Authoritarian” in my view.

  34. I don’t believe opinion poles or virtually anything else from the MSM.

    Russia President Vladimir Putin is very favorably viewed in the USA. So is the Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

  35. @dfordoom
    @Twinkie


    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.
     
    Agreed.

    They may well be (in fact probably are) people who are hoping Biden will lose. If Trump wins that will offer them more opportunities for increasingly violent protests. And from their political perspective a Trump victory would help to create the kind of revolutionary situation that they fantasise about.

    There are plenty of groups around at the moment who believe that a complete breakdown of the social order would be in their political interest. They all hope to provoke violent reactions. They're wrong of course, and hopelessly deluded, but you have to understand that this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think. If there's a small fire burning they want to throw gasoline on it.

    Replies: @neutral

    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think

    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @neutral



    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think
     
    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.
     
    I'm not sure what your disagreement with me is. I don't think this is a revolution either. I think there are some deluded people among the antifa crowd who think it's a revolution, but they're wrong. They think they're creating a revolutionary situation but it's not going to happen.

    I think I may have expressed myself slightly unclearly or you may have misunderstood my point about people with revolutionary mindsets. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset is going to be hoping to create favourable conditions for such a revolution. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset has to think that way. Sometimes they really do manage to create those conditions and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have no real chance of creating such conditions but they still think they're going to do so.

    Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    Replies: @nebulafox

  36. @neutral
    @dfordoom


    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think
     
    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think

    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.

    I’m not sure what your disagreement with me is. I don’t think this is a revolution either. I think there are some deluded people among the antifa crowd who think it’s a revolution, but they’re wrong. They think they’re creating a revolutionary situation but it’s not going to happen.

    I think I may have expressed myself slightly unclearly or you may have misunderstood my point about people with revolutionary mindsets. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset is going to be hoping to create favourable conditions for such a revolution. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset has to think that way. Sometimes they really do manage to create those conditions and sometimes they don’t. Sometimes they have no real chance of creating such conditions but they still think they’re going to do so.

    Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    >Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    They initially didn't. The Bolsheviks were in a state of profound internal strife and collapse in the immediate prewar period due to a mix of Okhrana mechinations and Stolypin's reforms. WWI, combined with the basic incompatibility of Nicholas II's brand of Tsarism to modernity, saved them. As leading Bolsheviks ruefully admitted later, such an open reactionary as Pyotr Durnovo had a far more accurate read on what WWI would do to the Tsarist regime than those who prided themselves on knowing how history would deterministically go did in 1914.

    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans. Comparing them to Antifa is the left-wing analogue of comparing Adolf Hitler to Richard Spencer.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom

  37. @216
    Boomercons on deck

    https://twitter.com/Marissa_Jae/status/1266931663923265537

    Communists in replies

    Glorifying violence

    CALL IT A POGROM

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    I sincerely want that. I want those fuckers to live for half-a-goddamned-century of bread lines and neighbors spying on them, heat being shut off in the middle of winter, electricity being shut off at random when children are trying to do their homework, as my wife’s family did in Eastern Europe. No Bill of Rights. They do not deserve it.

    Oh if only we could collectively press our knees down onto their pencil necks!

    GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    (Every Black “hero-victim” has been a criminal. Funny how that works. Think about it.)

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    OK, I'm more than a bit concerned about what is going on in the US, because for medical reasons, my parents can't defend themselves like they used to, nor can they just fly. I'm more than a bit stressed, so, I'll break my promise for a bit and bite to release some dopamine and calm down.

    >I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    More apropos would be sectarian warfare. These people really need to talk to a Yugoslav or an elderly Singaporean to understand just what happens when identity politics gone wrong is mixed with structural/social/economic rot.

    If I were in charge, I would simply declare it an insurrection and go forward from there. These upper-middle class Antifa twerps will immediately chicken out when the first shots are fired, trust me. I know the breed.

    >GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect's neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he's not responsive. That's basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @Buzz Mohawk

  38. @anon

    Sulla is being summoned.
     
    Is he though? What if there is no Sulla? We may very be closer to the time of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire than we are to the collapse of the Roman Republic. Think about it. Is there a single military officer (or civilian) who is well-known and liked enough, while also being just red-pilled enough, to get the job done while also being accepted by the masses -- most of them anyway? In the past, guys like Norman Schwarzkopf, Dwight Eisenhower, and Colin Powell might have fit that bill. But no more. I don't see a Sulla on the horizon. If anyone has some candidates, I'd be happy to discuss.

    Candidate list:



    Business world

    Elon Musk? No, he's South African.

    Mark Cuban? ahahaha

    Congress

    ANY congressional republican? No. All are neocons. That includes Josh Hawely. He's the guy who foolishly helped start a cold war with China before we're ready and while we already have too much on our plate. He also backed down before the ADL when they demanded he stop using the word "cosmopolitan."

    -- Same for Dan Crenshaw: https://vdare.com/articles/does-conservative-inc-golden-boy-rep-crenshaw-really-not-know-about-1965-immigration-act

    *He knows. He once laughed in a Facebook post, IIRC, about how the republican party might not even exist years from now due to demographic change. He just doesn't care.

    Politics

    Republican no: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mitch M., Donald Trump, any of the Trump kids, Steve Bannon, ...

    Democrat no: nearly all of them.

    Media

    Tucker Carlson? No. Many problems there. This includes relentlessly misrepresenting facts about the coronavirus. Most Americans won't accept him, and there is no evidence he can do the job anyway. He also comes off as a jerk to other people, even if he's right.

    Ben Shapiro? ahahahahahhahah

    Red-Pilled Right-Wing

    Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson? No. Tainted in the eyes of too many good whites.

    Steve Sailer? Decent choice, but not well known.

    Christopher Caldwell? Maybe. I'd need to know more.

    Andrew Anglin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg7qKstnPk

    Military

    Tulsi Gabbard? No. Hindu.

    Tammy Duckworth? No. Not trusted by whites. Crippled. Democrat. POC.

    Anyone in active service? No. Many are careerists. None have fought and won a major engagement against significant opposition. None have public recognition. None that I'm aware of also have a deep understanding of the issues -- politics, economics, history, HBD.

    Retired? Lawrence Wilkerson fits maybe 60% of the bill, but he's tainted through his association with W. Bush and is too far left-wing; good on Israel, though. Colin Powell endorsed Obama and got black woke, so he's out the door. ... etc.

    =============================================

    Here's a scary thought. There is indeed one person who might stack up, at least in the short term, but you're not going to like him: Barack Obama. He's popular, has experience, and is liked enough by good whites to have a majority governing coalition. Of course, America is ultimately doomed in that case, but I could see it happening sometime post Trump. People will absolutely pick the guy who gives them temporary security over long term liberty if given the chance. Good whites will jump at the opportunity to surrender before a black guy in order to protect them from the raging black mob coming for them.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @BlackFlag, @Patagonia Man

    Don’t underestimate Steve Sailer – he could very well be America’s Sulla.

    • Replies: @utu
    @BlackFlag

    And he will rule by the razor sharp sarcasm of a teenage girl.

  39. @Buzz Mohawk
    @216

    I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship -- like my wife's family did.

    I sincerely want that. I want those fuckers to live for half-a-goddamned-century of bread lines and neighbors spying on them, heat being shut off in the middle of winter, electricity being shut off at random when children are trying to do their homework, as my wife's family did in Eastern Europe. No Bill of Rights. They do not deserve it.

    Oh if only we could collectively press our knees down onto their pencil necks!

    GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    (Every Black "hero-victim" has been a criminal. Funny how that works. Think about it.)

    Replies: @nebulafox

    OK, I’m more than a bit concerned about what is going on in the US, because for medical reasons, my parents can’t defend themselves like they used to, nor can they just fly. I’m more than a bit stressed, so, I’ll break my promise for a bit and bite to release some dopamine and calm down.

    >I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    More apropos would be sectarian warfare. These people really need to talk to a Yugoslav or an elderly Singaporean to understand just what happens when identity politics gone wrong is mixed with structural/social/economic rot.

    If I were in charge, I would simply declare it an insurrection and go forward from there. These upper-middle class Antifa twerps will immediately chicken out when the first shots are fired, trust me. I know the breed.

    >GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect’s neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he’s not responsive. That’s basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    • Agree: AaronB, Twinkie
    • Thanks: Buzz Mohawk
    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect’s neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he’s not responsive. That’s basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.
     
    Yes, I agree totally.
    , @Talha
    @nebulafox

    The man also had close to 20 official public complaints filed against him. If I had just 3 complaints against me submitted to my boss by the rest of the organization that my web development group supports (or our external clients), I would have been out of a job a looooong time ago.

    What does it take to get a public review of an officer's record and firing?

    If this guy had a clean record and say only a couple of complaints (which were found to be minor and unfounded) over a stellar record of police service - I can understand defending him. Le Chauvin Hill is definitely not the one to die one.

    Peace.

    , @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    This is late, especially since Steve posted so many things after it, but I want you to know that I agree with pretty much all of what you said. My points were more expressive than logical. Mr. Floyd was a criminal, but I know as much as you do that this fact does not excuse what the cop did to him. That was not my point.

    I think Chauvin should be charged with Murder One and forced to plead down to Murder Two. The charges against him are too low, far too low.

    BTW, I myself have witnessed and even experienced cops behaving badly -- and I am White. I could recount two or three experiences that are clear in my memory.

    This is not Black/White. What happened to Mr. Floyd may or may not have been because of his race. What happened was a grotesque abuse of power against a man by another man. PERIOD.

    But all the Black hero-victims I have seen for as long as I can remember, and before even I was alive, have been criminals. Blacks have a real problem dealing with people, and authority, and cops, period. Perhaps they should look at themselves. I AM AFRAID OF BAD COPS -- AND I AM AFRAID OF BAD BLACK PEOPLE, OKAY? And more Whites have been killed and abused by bad Black people than Black people have been abused by bad cops.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

  40. We are never allowed anything

  41. @dfordoom
    @neutral



    this is the way that people with any kind of revolutionary mindset think
     
    This is clearly not true, as there have been numerous revolutions in history that ended up succeeding in the end. Not that I think this is even a revolution.
     
    I'm not sure what your disagreement with me is. I don't think this is a revolution either. I think there are some deluded people among the antifa crowd who think it's a revolution, but they're wrong. They think they're creating a revolutionary situation but it's not going to happen.

    I think I may have expressed myself slightly unclearly or you may have misunderstood my point about people with revolutionary mindsets. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset is going to be hoping to create favourable conditions for such a revolution. Anyone with a revolutionary mindset has to think that way. Sometimes they really do manage to create those conditions and sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have no real chance of creating such conditions but they still think they're going to do so.

    Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    >Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    They initially didn’t. The Bolsheviks were in a state of profound internal strife and collapse in the immediate prewar period due to a mix of Okhrana mechinations and Stolypin’s reforms. WWI, combined with the basic incompatibility of Nicholas II’s brand of Tsarism to modernity, saved them. As leading Bolsheviks ruefully admitted later, such an open reactionary as Pyotr Durnovo had a far more accurate read on what WWI would do to the Tsarist regime than those who prided themselves on knowing how history would deterministically go did in 1914.

    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans. Comparing them to Antifa is the left-wing analogue of comparing Adolf Hitler to Richard Spencer.

    • Replies: @Yahya K.
    @nebulafox

    Do you know any good books on Pyotr Durnovo?

    He must have been very shrewd to foresee events like that. Reminds me of Kurt von Hammerstein.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    , @dfordoom
    @nebulafox


    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans.
     
    Yep.

    The far right is fundamentally unserious.
  42. @Twinkie
    @216

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

    In Jakarta in ’98, indigenous shopowners would hang signs with or paint the words “owned by natives” (“milik pribumi” or “milik muslim”) to deflect the mobs away to the intended ethnic Chinese targets. Sometimes it worked. But sometimes it didn’t, because as with all riots, your typical 20-something unattached loser is attracted to the upheaval like syphilis is to a low-grade prostitute. I suspect that this is one of those things that changes very little from culture to culture, so black shopkeepers are going to figure this dynamic out for themselves if they haven’t already.

    Ideologically motivated violence of any stripe makes great cover if your goal is simply loot, rape, and plunder with no repercussions, and plenty of guys love to do just that: whether out of angry nihilism, greed, a desire to do what friends are doing, or just out of bored amusement.

    • Agree: Twinkie
  43. Mindset

    Entitlement

    And the GOP establishment acts like such people full of hate can be converted into rock ribbed Republicans.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    When I think of black people tolerance and forgiveness comes to mind. Also sociopathic narcissism and a complete lack of self-awareness.

  44. “Ideologically motivated violence of any stripe makes great cover if your goal is simply loot, rape, and plunder with no repercussions, and plenty of guys love to do just that: whether out of angry nihilism, greed, a desire to do what friends are doing, or just out of bored amusement”

    It took me a second or two to figure you were not talking about our corporate community.

  45. @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    >Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    They initially didn't. The Bolsheviks were in a state of profound internal strife and collapse in the immediate prewar period due to a mix of Okhrana mechinations and Stolypin's reforms. WWI, combined with the basic incompatibility of Nicholas II's brand of Tsarism to modernity, saved them. As leading Bolsheviks ruefully admitted later, such an open reactionary as Pyotr Durnovo had a far more accurate read on what WWI would do to the Tsarist regime than those who prided themselves on knowing how history would deterministically go did in 1914.

    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans. Comparing them to Antifa is the left-wing analogue of comparing Adolf Hitler to Richard Spencer.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom

    Do you know any good books on Pyotr Durnovo?

    He must have been very shrewd to foresee events like that. Reminds me of Kurt von Hammerstein.

    • Replies: @nebulafox
    @Yahya K.

    I don't know of any biographies on him in particular, but any worthwhile analysis of the Russian Revolution or figures related to it (Kotkin's excellent biography of Stalin was where I first heard of Durnovo) will bring him up given his integral role in saving and stabilizing the Tsarist regime in 1905-1907. I read the Mitrokhin archives obsessively when I was younger, but have regrettably never read anything on the Okhrana era specifically: something I wish to correct in the future. Russian secret police culture is truly fascinating stuff, even if the RussiaGate nonsense has led to my interest in the subject dimming considerably over the last few years. A lot of the stuff the NKVD and KGB would do was stuff the Okhrana did jacked up to eleven.

    If you want an expert on Russia-related stuff, I would suggest hopping over to Anatoly Karlin's blog and getting it from an actual Russian.

    Moreover, you can read the memorandum for yourself:

    https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/durnovo.html

    Durnovo was a classic throwback Russian conservative in addition to being a Chekist before the Cheka, so you have to take that anti-republican, ideological bias into account with his view of the world, particularly when he stresses closer ties to Germany at the expense of Britain on the basis of "the monarchical principle". Nevertheless, it is hard to deny his truly remarkable foresight here, and it wasn't limited to the political: despite being a policeman, not a general, he focused on Russia's logistical weaknesses in a way that is rare outside of military experts

    "The network of strategic railways is inadequate. The railways possess a rolling stock sufficient, perhaps, for normal traffic, but not commensurate with the colossal demands which will be made upon them in the event of a European war. Lastly, it should not be forgotten that the impending war will be fought among the most civilized and technically most advanced nations. Every previous war has invariably been followed by something new in the realm of military technique, but the technical backwardness of our industries does not create favorable conditions for our adoption of the new inventions."

  46. @Yahya K.
    @nebulafox

    Do you know any good books on Pyotr Durnovo?

    He must have been very shrewd to foresee events like that. Reminds me of Kurt von Hammerstein.

    Replies: @nebulafox

    I don’t know of any biographies on him in particular, but any worthwhile analysis of the Russian Revolution or figures related to it (Kotkin’s excellent biography of Stalin was where I first heard of Durnovo) will bring him up given his integral role in saving and stabilizing the Tsarist regime in 1905-1907. I read the Mitrokhin archives obsessively when I was younger, but have regrettably never read anything on the Okhrana era specifically: something I wish to correct in the future. Russian secret police culture is truly fascinating stuff, even if the RussiaGate nonsense has led to my interest in the subject dimming considerably over the last few years. A lot of the stuff the NKVD and KGB would do was stuff the Okhrana did jacked up to eleven.

    If you want an expert on Russia-related stuff, I would suggest hopping over to Anatoly Karlin’s blog and getting it from an actual Russian.

    Moreover, you can read the memorandum for yourself:

    https://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/classes/durnovo.html

    Durnovo was a classic throwback Russian conservative in addition to being a Chekist before the Cheka, so you have to take that anti-republican, ideological bias into account with his view of the world, particularly when he stresses closer ties to Germany at the expense of Britain on the basis of “the monarchical principle”. Nevertheless, it is hard to deny his truly remarkable foresight here, and it wasn’t limited to the political: despite being a policeman, not a general, he focused on Russia’s logistical weaknesses in a way that is rare outside of military experts

    “The network of strategic railways is inadequate. The railways possess a rolling stock sufficient, perhaps, for normal traffic, but not commensurate with the colossal demands which will be made upon them in the event of a European war. Lastly, it should not be forgotten that the impending war will be fought among the most civilized and technically most advanced nations. Every previous war has invariably been followed by something new in the realm of military technique, but the technical backwardness of our industries does not create favorable conditions for our adoption of the new inventions.”

    • Thanks: Yahya K.
  47. @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free. The response by everyone has made me feel a far closer bond with those around me (in spite of social distancing). Even our famously dreadful postal service stepped up to the mark. The problem is we cannot deal with the rest of the world without being reinfected. Maybe we'll have to behave more lie the DPRK and declare ourselves a hermit kingdom.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @utu

    “In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free”

    Congratulations. But super-creepy Jacinda Ardern is still your prime minister.

  48. Diversity

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
    @216

    Libertarians are unintentionally funny.

  49. @216
    Mindset

    https://twitter.com/DrmtoDestinyMin/status/1266328384512163841

    Entitlement

    And the GOP establishment acts like such people full of hate can be converted into rock ribbed Republicans.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    When I think of black people tolerance and forgiveness comes to mind. Also sociopathic narcissism and a complete lack of self-awareness.

  50. @216
    https://twitter.com/Sammsummers/status/1267110457275539457

    Diversity

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb

    Libertarians are unintentionally funny.

    • LOL: Twinkie
  51. @Twinkie
    @216

    Look, I am not a fan of liberals, but they tend to avoid this kind of physical confrontations. Those who participate in riots are generally young people who are radical leftists or anarchists if they are political at all. Otherwise, they are thugs and opportunistic looters.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @nebulafox, @MBlanc46

    Perhaps, but the liberals have been tacitly, and often explicitly, endorsing the actions of rioters for more than half a century.

  52. utu says:
    @22pp22
    @Twinkie

    In New Zealand we now appear to be virus-free. The response by everyone has made me feel a far closer bond with those around me (in spite of social distancing). Even our famously dreadful postal service stepped up to the mark. The problem is we cannot deal with the rest of the world without being reinfected. Maybe we'll have to behave more lie the DPRK and declare ourselves a hermit kingdom.

    Replies: @SunBakedSuburb, @utu

    Congrats to NZ. NZ did what no other country in the West was allowed/permitted to do. Perhaps NZ is too peripheral to bring the ire of the Eye of Sauron. Here is my take on the elimination/eradication ov virus police that was denied to most of the countries:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/which-one-is-austria-and-which-one-is-australia/#comment-3913963
    https://www.unz.com/isteve/which-one-is-austria-and-which-one-is-australia/#comment-3917262

    NZ will have to keep strict control on who and how comes in to prevent importing the virus for as long as virus is active in other countries. Some countries like Sweden should be cordoned off as a potential Typhoid Mary.

    To prevent the import of virus the visitors would be divided into several categories:

    (a) virus positive: sent back or quarantine
    (b) symptomatic: sent back or quarantine
    (c) anti-body positive can enter
    (d) else: depends on country of origin, quarantine and tracing and testing every 5 days or refuse entry.

    Basic things that were done for centuries during contagions. This is what Ellis Island was for. The UK, AUS and NZ always had very strict border crossing procedures.

    Tourism in NZ will suffer but the natural wild environment of NZ will benefit. NZ should continue its zeal in eradication of foreign species like rodents to protect its native bird species.

  53. @BlackFlag
    @anon

    Don't underestimate Steve Sailer - he could very well be America's Sulla.

    Replies: @utu

    And he will rule by the razor sharp sarcasm of a teenage girl.

  54. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    OK, I'm more than a bit concerned about what is going on in the US, because for medical reasons, my parents can't defend themselves like they used to, nor can they just fly. I'm more than a bit stressed, so, I'll break my promise for a bit and bite to release some dopamine and calm down.

    >I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    More apropos would be sectarian warfare. These people really need to talk to a Yugoslav or an elderly Singaporean to understand just what happens when identity politics gone wrong is mixed with structural/social/economic rot.

    If I were in charge, I would simply declare it an insurrection and go forward from there. These upper-middle class Antifa twerps will immediately chicken out when the first shots are fired, trust me. I know the breed.

    >GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect's neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he's not responsive. That's basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @Buzz Mohawk

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect’s neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he’s not responsive. That’s basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    Yes, I agree totally.

  55. @nebulafox
    @dfordoom

    >Some revolutionaries are tragically deluded. Some really have read the situation correctly and they end up succeeding. These antifa clowns fall into the deluded category. The Bolsheviks fall into the category of revolutionaries who read the situation correctly.

    They initially didn't. The Bolsheviks were in a state of profound internal strife and collapse in the immediate prewar period due to a mix of Okhrana mechinations and Stolypin's reforms. WWI, combined with the basic incompatibility of Nicholas II's brand of Tsarism to modernity, saved them. As leading Bolsheviks ruefully admitted later, such an open reactionary as Pyotr Durnovo had a far more accurate read on what WWI would do to the Tsarist regime than those who prided themselves on knowing how history would deterministically go did in 1914.

    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans. Comparing them to Antifa is the left-wing analogue of comparing Adolf Hitler to Richard Spencer.

    Replies: @Yahya K., @dfordoom

    With that said, however, the Bolsheviks were fundamentally serious adults with serious ideas and plans.

    Yep.

    The far right is fundamentally unserious.

  56. @anon

    Sulla is being summoned.
     
    Is he though? What if there is no Sulla? We may very be closer to the time of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire than we are to the collapse of the Roman Republic. Think about it. Is there a single military officer (or civilian) who is well-known and liked enough, while also being just red-pilled enough, to get the job done while also being accepted by the masses -- most of them anyway? In the past, guys like Norman Schwarzkopf, Dwight Eisenhower, and Colin Powell might have fit that bill. But no more. I don't see a Sulla on the horizon. If anyone has some candidates, I'd be happy to discuss.

    Candidate list:



    Business world

    Elon Musk? No, he's South African.

    Mark Cuban? ahahaha

    Congress

    ANY congressional republican? No. All are neocons. That includes Josh Hawely. He's the guy who foolishly helped start a cold war with China before we're ready and while we already have too much on our plate. He also backed down before the ADL when they demanded he stop using the word "cosmopolitan."

    -- Same for Dan Crenshaw: https://vdare.com/articles/does-conservative-inc-golden-boy-rep-crenshaw-really-not-know-about-1965-immigration-act

    *He knows. He once laughed in a Facebook post, IIRC, about how the republican party might not even exist years from now due to demographic change. He just doesn't care.

    Politics

    Republican no: Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Mitch M., Donald Trump, any of the Trump kids, Steve Bannon, ...

    Democrat no: nearly all of them.

    Media

    Tucker Carlson? No. Many problems there. This includes relentlessly misrepresenting facts about the coronavirus. Most Americans won't accept him, and there is no evidence he can do the job anyway. He also comes off as a jerk to other people, even if he's right.

    Ben Shapiro? ahahahahahhahah

    Red-Pilled Right-Wing

    Jared Taylor or Greg Johnson? No. Tainted in the eyes of too many good whites.

    Steve Sailer? Decent choice, but not well known.

    Christopher Caldwell? Maybe. I'd need to know more.

    Andrew Anglin?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Mg7qKstnPk

    Military

    Tulsi Gabbard? No. Hindu.

    Tammy Duckworth? No. Not trusted by whites. Crippled. Democrat. POC.

    Anyone in active service? No. Many are careerists. None have fought and won a major engagement against significant opposition. None have public recognition. None that I'm aware of also have a deep understanding of the issues -- politics, economics, history, HBD.

    Retired? Lawrence Wilkerson fits maybe 60% of the bill, but he's tainted through his association with W. Bush and is too far left-wing; good on Israel, though. Colin Powell endorsed Obama and got black woke, so he's out the door. ... etc.

    =============================================

    Here's a scary thought. There is indeed one person who might stack up, at least in the short term, but you're not going to like him: Barack Obama. He's popular, has experience, and is liked enough by good whites to have a majority governing coalition. Of course, America is ultimately doomed in that case, but I could see it happening sometime post Trump. People will absolutely pick the guy who gives them temporary security over long term liberty if given the chance. Good whites will jump at the opportunity to surrender before a black guy in order to protect them from the raging black mob coming for them.

    Replies: @Twinkie, @BlackFlag, @Patagonia Man

    What about Trump continues as President under Martial Law?

    Recently, Trump trolled the Dems with tweets inferring he could remain President til 2024, 2028, 2032, …. and so on. But there’s many a true thing said in jest!

    Over the next 5 mths til the 3 NOV US Presidential Election, consider this scenario unfolding:

    • the SARS-CoV2 death toll continues to mount & since winter is coming there’s a 2nd Wave (with no tested vaccine in sight);
    • trade & diplomatic relations with China continue to deteriorate (what we saw in January was only Stage I of the Deal);
    • incriminating ‘evidence’ supporting Trump’s assertions re: China’s responsibility for the outbreak is made public (it doesn’t even have to be proven) – the effect being a spike in Trump’s popularity;
    • there’s an escalation of military conflict with Venezuela, the US declaring war. Its portrayed in the US media as Venezuela being the aggressor, *coughs, trying to take advantage of the US at a time of its civil disobedience & domestic unrest;
    • most importantly, that the mock outrage escalates, fueled by the usual suspects, e.g., Al Shapiro and Obama himself (he has form in this tactic), state National Guards are fully mobilized, mailouts of ballots are abandoned (for reasons of obvious potential for abuse), etc;
    • if the 78 y.o. serial sex pest (is-he-still-in-his-basement?) Biden attempts to muster an argument against the declaration of Martial Law, he can be easily denounced as ‘unAmerican’, even as a traitor.

    Now here’s why its a real possibility. Even before 74 y.o. Trump’s election, the US elites really wanted 61 y.o. Pence to become President … and he’s the real scary one! Not just as a warhawk but as a Christian Zionist – who are just begging for Armageddon and the Rapture!

    So long story short:
    – war declared,
    – Constitution suspended (if it hasn’t already been overriden by the 2001 Patriot Act),
    – election suspended,
    – Trump remains in office & rules by decree (which isn’t that different from Executive Order, altho as its stands currently, there are limitations),
    – Trump voluntarily resigns 1, or even, 2 years into what would’ve been his 2nd term,
    – Pence continues indefinitely under the auspices that have been set up by Trump,
    – WWIII.

    Goodnite, Josephine.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    @Patagonia Man


    the US elites really wanted 61 y.o. Pence to become President … and he’s the real scary one! Not just as a warhawk but as a Christian Zionist – who are just begging for Armageddon and the Rapture!
     
    I'm not convinced that the elites as a whole actually want Pence. But he is scary. And I can well believe that the neocons would be delighted if he became president. Of all the people who might conceivably become president in the near future Pence is the craziest and most dangerous.
  57. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    OK, I'm more than a bit concerned about what is going on in the US, because for medical reasons, my parents can't defend themselves like they used to, nor can they just fly. I'm more than a bit stressed, so, I'll break my promise for a bit and bite to release some dopamine and calm down.

    >I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    More apropos would be sectarian warfare. These people really need to talk to a Yugoslav or an elderly Singaporean to understand just what happens when identity politics gone wrong is mixed with structural/social/economic rot.

    If I were in charge, I would simply declare it an insurrection and go forward from there. These upper-middle class Antifa twerps will immediately chicken out when the first shots are fired, trust me. I know the breed.

    >GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect's neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he's not responsive. That's basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @Buzz Mohawk

    The man also had close to 20 official public complaints filed against him. If I had just 3 complaints against me submitted to my boss by the rest of the organization that my web development group supports (or our external clients), I would have been out of a job a looooong time ago.

    What does it take to get a public review of an officer’s record and firing?

    If this guy had a clean record and say only a couple of complaints (which were found to be minor and unfounded) over a stellar record of police service – I can understand defending him. Le Chauvin Hill is definitely not the one to die one.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
  58. @nebulafox
    @Buzz Mohawk

    OK, I'm more than a bit concerned about what is going on in the US, because for medical reasons, my parents can't defend themselves like they used to, nor can they just fly. I'm more than a bit stressed, so, I'll break my promise for a bit and bite to release some dopamine and calm down.

    >I would love, love, love to watch every fucking rioter live 50 years under a communist dictatorship — like my wife’s family did.

    More apropos would be sectarian warfare. These people really need to talk to a Yugoslav or an elderly Singaporean to understand just what happens when identity politics gone wrong is mixed with structural/social/economic rot.

    If I were in charge, I would simply declare it an insurrection and go forward from there. These upper-middle class Antifa twerps will immediately chicken out when the first shots are fired, trust me. I know the breed.

    >GEORGE FLOYD WAS A CRIMINAL.

    This is the wrong political hill to die on, Buzz. Regardless of what Floyd did or did not do, you never, ever put your leg on a suspect's neck for over 8 minutes, least of all when he's not responsive. That's basic policing 101 there. Near as I can tell from the evidence we have, what Chauvin did is manslaughter, *bare minimum*, and should (and will) be legally prosecuted.

    Replies: @dfordoom, @Talha, @Buzz Mohawk

    This is late, especially since Steve posted so many things after it, but I want you to know that I agree with pretty much all of what you said. My points were more expressive than logical. Mr. Floyd was a criminal, but I know as much as you do that this fact does not excuse what the cop did to him. That was not my point.

    I think Chauvin should be charged with Murder One and forced to plead down to Murder Two. The charges against him are too low, far too low.

    BTW, I myself have witnessed and even experienced cops behaving badly — and I am White. I could recount two or three experiences that are clear in my memory.

    This is not Black/White. What happened to Mr. Floyd may or may not have been because of his race. What happened was a grotesque abuse of power against a man by another man. PERIOD.

    But all the Black hero-victims I have seen for as long as I can remember, and before even I was alive, have been criminals. Blacks have a real problem dealing with people, and authority, and cops, period. Perhaps they should look at themselves. I AM AFRAID OF BAD COPS — AND I AM AFRAID OF BAD BLACK PEOPLE, OKAY? And more Whites have been killed and abused by bad Black people than Black people have been abused by bad cops.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
    @Buzz Mohawk

    BTW I notice this isn't Steve Sailer's blog.

    I wrote:


    This is late, especially since Steve posted so many things after it, but...
     
    I was switching back-and-forth. A.E. didn't upload a fusillade of posts on June 1st the way Steve did. I apologize for forgetting whose blog I was on.
  59. @Buzz Mohawk
    @nebulafox

    This is late, especially since Steve posted so many things after it, but I want you to know that I agree with pretty much all of what you said. My points were more expressive than logical. Mr. Floyd was a criminal, but I know as much as you do that this fact does not excuse what the cop did to him. That was not my point.

    I think Chauvin should be charged with Murder One and forced to plead down to Murder Two. The charges against him are too low, far too low.

    BTW, I myself have witnessed and even experienced cops behaving badly -- and I am White. I could recount two or three experiences that are clear in my memory.

    This is not Black/White. What happened to Mr. Floyd may or may not have been because of his race. What happened was a grotesque abuse of power against a man by another man. PERIOD.

    But all the Black hero-victims I have seen for as long as I can remember, and before even I was alive, have been criminals. Blacks have a real problem dealing with people, and authority, and cops, period. Perhaps they should look at themselves. I AM AFRAID OF BAD COPS -- AND I AM AFRAID OF BAD BLACK PEOPLE, OKAY? And more Whites have been killed and abused by bad Black people than Black people have been abused by bad cops.

    Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

    BTW I notice this isn’t Steve Sailer’s blog.

    I wrote:

    This is late, especially since Steve posted so many things after it, but…

    I was switching back-and-forth. A.E. didn’t upload a fusillade of posts on June 1st the way Steve did. I apologize for forgetting whose blog I was on.

  60. @Patagonia Man
    @anon

    What about Trump continues as President under Martial Law?

    Recently, Trump trolled the Dems with tweets inferring he could remain President til 2024, 2028, 2032, .... and so on. But there's many a true thing said in jest!

    Over the next 5 mths til the 3 NOV US Presidential Election, consider this scenario unfolding:

    • the SARS-CoV2 death toll continues to mount & since winter is coming there's a 2nd Wave (with no tested vaccine in sight);
    • trade & diplomatic relations with China continue to deteriorate (what we saw in January was only Stage I of the Deal);
    • incriminating 'evidence' supporting Trump's assertions re: China's responsibility for the outbreak is made public (it doesn't even have to be proven) - the effect being a spike in Trump's popularity;
    • there's an escalation of military conflict with Venezuela, the US declaring war. Its portrayed in the US media as Venezuela being the aggressor, *coughs, trying to take advantage of the US at a time of its civil disobedience & domestic unrest;
    • most importantly, that the mock outrage escalates, fueled by the usual suspects, e.g., Al Shapiro and Obama himself (he has form in this tactic), state National Guards are fully mobilized, mailouts of ballots are abandoned (for reasons of obvious potential for abuse), etc;
    • if the 78 y.o. serial sex pest (is-he-still-in-his-basement?) Biden attempts to muster an argument against the declaration of Martial Law, he can be easily denounced as 'unAmerican', even as a traitor.

    Now here's why its a real possibility. Even before 74 y.o. Trump's election, the US elites really wanted 61 y.o. Pence to become President ... and he's the real scary one! Not just as a warhawk but as a Christian Zionist - who are just begging for Armageddon and the Rapture!

    So long story short:
    - war declared,
    - Constitution suspended (if it hasn't already been overriden by the 2001 Patriot Act),
    - election suspended,
    - Trump remains in office & rules by decree (which isn't that different from Executive Order, altho as its stands currently, there are limitations),
    - Trump voluntarily resigns 1, or even, 2 years into what would've been his 2nd term,
    - Pence continues indefinitely under the auspices that have been set up by Trump,
    - WWIII.

    Goodnite, Josephine.

    Replies: @dfordoom

    the US elites really wanted 61 y.o. Pence to become President … and he’s the real scary one! Not just as a warhawk but as a Christian Zionist – who are just begging for Armageddon and the Rapture!

    I’m not convinced that the elites as a whole actually want Pence. But he is scary. And I can well believe that the neocons would be delighted if he became president. Of all the people who might conceivably become president in the near future Pence is the craziest and most dangerous.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  61. They forgot to add Evangelical Messianic Christians for stronger Iranian nuclear armament to the list

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