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Majorities favor closing everything putatively non-essential. The following graph shows an index by sex, race, and partisan affiliation who maintain the minority position and think various things should remain open. It is calculated by taking the simple average by demographic characteristic across the thirteen things the survey asked about keeping open. The subsequent table shows percentages for each of thing separately:

Republican white men are relatively skeptical of societal shutdown. Maybe because they’re clueless boomers or maybe because they make society run and they like doing what they do. Opinions will vary.

 
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  1. OT are you are of civiqs? It seems to offer much of customization that ipsos used to.

    https://civiqs.com/

    • Replies: @Audacious Epigone
    The filtration tools are nice but the battery of survey questions is extremely limited.
  2. @t
    OT are you are of civiqs? It seems to offer much of customization that ipsos used to.

    https://civiqs.com/

    The filtration tools are nice but the battery of survey questions is extremely limited.

  3. I wonder if they are tracking public opinion in Sweden. If the approach there has broad support, or if it has to do merely with the open borders ideology of the establishment.

    I’m pretty surprised so many support closing parks and golf courses. I wonder if that latter is partly a sentiment that the rich should suffer too.

  4. The latter.

    What I think these numbers would all inversely correlate nicely to, A.E., were the question asked, is “Do you spend most of your day in front of the idiot plate or reading your phone screen, like a retard?” I think you’d get pretty much (100% – your totals here).

    On the parks, WTH, man. I can see taping off the playground equipment, but come the hell on! What a bunch of panicky sheep we have in this country.

  5. This is one of the few surveys I’ve seen where blacks respond closer to whites than Hispanics or Asians. This surprises me a little. Take hiking trails, for example. More blacks want to keep them open. What I’m about to say is anecdotal but is based on hiking in state parks fifty times a year for forty years. State park hikers are white, Asian, Hispanic and black in that order. Hispanics and blacks do use the picnic areas but don’t venture out on the trails. A 2005 California study showed Hispanics walk more than other groups but this is done for transportation, not recreation. The U.S. is the most car-centric country in the world and it takes a little while for them to adopt that habit.

    I’m not sure what the reason for this would be. Asians and Hispanics may be more conformist and come from more authoritarian societies. They may be more willing to fall in line with what political leaders want and most of them lean in the direction of shut downs. Blacks may like big government when it gives them money but not as much when it tells them what do.

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    Blacks may like big government when it gives them money but not as much when it tells them what do.
     
    It may be that blacks are more realistic about governments. They don't trust them, which is why they dislike these petty regulations. They vote, very rationally, for the candidate who offers them the most and they understand that that is very unlikely to be a Republican. They understand how the political system works. It works the way prostitution works. Vote for me and I'll show you a really nice time.

    Whites are more likely to have insanely unrealistic and child-like views of how politics works and to believe that politicians and governments can be trusted.

    East Asians assume that the government has the best interests of the country at heart, because in countries like Japan, China and South Korea that's generally true. They have trouble adjusting to the West where politics is simply a branch of the rackets.

    Women are more likely to have the silly idea that governments can be trusted because they need to believe that. They rely on the government to keep them safe.
  6. UK says:

    Those people (it seems mostly white Republican men) are what stops a society falling into the negative cycle of scapegoating, chaos and ritualistic mass sacrifice. We often call them conservatives, but in mindset they are the same as would have spoken against burning the witches, slaughtering the Jews and eating the albinos. Their self-control is a form of self-sacrifice that allows society to function peaceably. They repress themselves to keep things working. This means that the further they are from power, the closer society is to falling into mindless chiliastic disaster.

    Perhaps though, the longer they are in power the more social, dead, dry wood builds up and so the bigger the temptation to the huge burn is…but I personally think this is making an argument out of analogy.

    Then again, there do seem to be very many people around nowadays absolutely desperate for their own particular fantasy chiliastic disaster. And, worse, it seems that primarily they many want to sacrifice those moderating influences most all!

    “Burn the people who won’t let us burn people” could be the progressive battle cry.

    • Agree: Hail
  7. It would have been interesting if the poll had included abortion clinics.

    • Agree: Audacious Epigone
  8. anon[116] • Disclaimer says:

    “Republican white men are relatively skeptical of societal shutdown. Maybe because they’re clueless boomers or maybe because they make society run and they like doing what they do. Opinions will vary.”

    Hard truth: These are the same people who threw open the borders for cheap labor, financialized the economy, outsourced everything, and stood in the way of things like universal healthcare — a basic feature of most modern countries and even some not-so-modern ones like North Korea. That’s why the U.S. is so hard hit by this virus. It doesn’t surprised me that this demographic is over-represented in the category of not caring about their neighbors and families. They even invented an entire fringe cult called libertarianism to justify not having any restraints placed on their “freedom” to be as selfish, to contribute as little as possible, and to be as inconsiderate as they can possibly get away with. Stay inside for a month to save lives? No, revolution! Storm the golden arches, seize those hamburgers, set those grills alight!

    Oh, and they’re definitely clueless boomers, unlike the people of civilized Asia who got this mostly under control through compulsory mask wearing, lockdowns, collective spirit, effective public health service, public education, competent government, and early border controls:

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2020/04/11/taiwan-has-defeated-coronavirus/

    Life in Taiwan is mostly back to normal. Economy not destroyed. If only the US hadn’t been paralyzed into inaction by a fringe cult that thinks 5G mobile phone towers cause viral infections and equates the consideration of your fellow man with literal communism (along with the fringe cult of liberalism which equates anything done to protect the good of the greater society as an opportunity to score social advancement points). It didn’t have to be this way.

  9. @Mark G.
    This is one of the few surveys I've seen where blacks respond closer to whites than Hispanics or Asians. This surprises me a little. Take hiking trails, for example. More blacks want to keep them open. What I'm about to say is anecdotal but is based on hiking in state parks fifty times a year for forty years. State park hikers are white, Asian, Hispanic and black in that order. Hispanics and blacks do use the picnic areas but don't venture out on the trails. A 2005 California study showed Hispanics walk more than other groups but this is done for transportation, not recreation. The U.S. is the most car-centric country in the world and it takes a little while for them to adopt that habit.

    I'm not sure what the reason for this would be. Asians and Hispanics may be more conformist and come from more authoritarian societies. They may be more willing to fall in line with what political leaders want and most of them lean in the direction of shut downs. Blacks may like big government when it gives them money but not as much when it tells them what do.

    Blacks may like big government when it gives them money but not as much when it tells them what do.

    It may be that blacks are more realistic about governments. They don’t trust them, which is why they dislike these petty regulations. They vote, very rationally, for the candidate who offers them the most and they understand that that is very unlikely to be a Republican. They understand how the political system works. It works the way prostitution works. Vote for me and I’ll show you a really nice time.

    Whites are more likely to have insanely unrealistic and child-like views of how politics works and to believe that politicians and governments can be trusted.

    East Asians assume that the government has the best interests of the country at heart, because in countries like Japan, China and South Korea that’s generally true. They have trouble adjusting to the West where politics is simply a branch of the rackets.

    Women are more likely to have the silly idea that governments can be trusted because they need to believe that. They rely on the government to keep them safe.

  10. First of all, only pussies support mandatory closures of anything because of a flu strain. So, bravery scale: Men > women, Republicans > Independents > Democrats, Whites > blacks > Asians > hispanics. We pretty much already knew all that.

    Seems to also demonstrate what people really value. Asians were #1 supporters of schools and restaurants, Blacks were #1 supporters of places of worship and hairdressers. They both loved nail salons.

    The outlier number was for Asians and gun stores. I can’t figure that one. Hispanics also love their guns.

    Blacks hate guns. Makes sense, they are the primary victims of black gun violence. No body wants them to have guns, especially themselves.

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