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The rise in tensions between South Africans and Nigerians, in brutally predictable fashion (NSFW–or squeamish sensibilities), was made known to the world via the Twitter hashtag #SayNoToXenophobia. What is this we speak of, you ask? You aren’t naive enough to think the Western corporate media would’ve covered as much in anything other than an embarrassingly reactive way, are you?
Unsurprisingly to readers here, but beyond the onyx to editors of mainstream media outlets, blacks are the most ‘racist’ racial group in South Africa. From the WVS (V37), the percentages of people who do not want to have as neighbors people of a different race than their own:
That black South Africans are modestly more racist than whites are, even as the former is butchering agrarian members of the latter at staggering rates, is understandable. One need merely realize, as so many South Africans do, that the legacy of apartheid is responsible for all the evil on the continent, even the exclusively Bantu-on-Bantu evil, from here to eternity:
Just left Lagos this morning after speaking at a listening party about xenophobic attacks on Nigerians in South Africa. This apartheid trauma is rampant, cancerous and volatile. My heart is heavy. 🇿🇦🇳🇬 #SayNoToXenophobia
— Jidenna (@Jidenna) September 3, 2019
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And we have an egregious example of why conservatives lose. Bought and paid for neocons that can’t/won’t mouth the word “boycott”
Here’s a rather long thread on a rather prominent fireams forum, it may be worth it to read every page. Note the total absence of Dissident thought, and a surprising reluctance by posters to engage in boycotting. And the unsurprising “I never visit walmart” (statistically unlikely, 80% of Americans do).
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-New-WalMart-Regulations-about-guns-etc-/5-2252181/?page=1
Cons have this stupid “live and let live individualism” that will never be reciprocated. Even on this one issue where historically the Right has fought back and won.
With the considerable wealth of the Waltons against us, we are apt to say this is the “beginning of the end” for gun rights in the US.
99% Estate Tax on the Billionaires
Note that even Hicock45 on YouTube has moved away from the NRA. Check out Iraq war veteran and Military Arms Channel who really represent a lets-get-something-done wing of activists.
The Leftist control the Narrative so you won't hear any pro-gun message passively except for talk radio.
But Wally World shoppers do have something which can't be ignored: numbers.
May I suggest that someone make an appropriate contact list of Wal-Mart Board of Directors and Executives from which physical letters and e-mail may be sent? It's one thing for the top dude to issue pronouncements, but when the people he answers too are hearing from the smelly-Wal-Mart-shopper & gun owner, that's a real dose of pushback.Replies: @216, @Ash Williams
LOL! More proof that contemporary Nationalists are pure socialists/leftists. Marx would be proud.
Plus, they don’t know how taxes work, and how the ultra-rich never pay the retail tax rate.
You write this as if it were a bad thing.Replies: @Thomm
Or the most racially honest racial group, at any rate.
Cucked though they undoubtedly are, I just have hard time believe that fewer than one in five SA white would be racially indifferent to who their neighbors are.
Gee, CNN International is all over Africa, it seems like at least six hours a day, and not a peep about there being such probs in SA.
Not yet, but soon
https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1169052532246757376
And we have an egregious example of why conservatives lose. Bought and paid for neocons that can't/won't mouth the word "boycott"
Here's a rather long thread on a rather prominent fireams forum, it may be worth it to read every page. Note the total absence of Dissident thought, and a surprising reluctance by posters to engage in boycotting. And the unsurprising "I never visit walmart" (statistically unlikely, 80% of Americans do).
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-New-WalMart-Regulations-about-guns-etc-/5-2252181/?page=1
Cons have this stupid "live and let live individualism" that will never be reciprocated. Even on this one issue where historically the Right has fought back and won.
With the considerable wealth of the Waltons against us, we are apt to say this is the "beginning of the end" for gun rights in the US.
99% Estate Tax on the BillionairesReplies: @The Alarmist, @Joe Stalin
Meh! Never going to happen. Jack up tariffs on crap from China to 100% and you’ll attack the problem from both ends.
AE, did you just make that up? I am not familiar with the expression. Is there an inside joke I’m missing here? Please elaborate.
too many people
-> mass immigration
-> competition for resources
-> mass violence
it’s going to keep getting worse unless those countries with the means to do so
– close their borders
– stop funding excessive population growth in the 3rd world
Most South African's in the rest of Africa are professionals working for South African companies in those African countries, most of the foreign blacks in South Africa are basically economic refugees. The Zimbabweans are the biggest criminals, the Mozambicans steal the most vehicles and smuggle them across the border, the Lesothos' are the zama-zama's (illegal gold miners), the Nigerians are into the drug scene, etc, etc.
But luckily South Africa has the Zulus as its biggest tribe, and they are guaranteed to go on the warpath one day again. The rest of the Black tribes believe that they become men when they go to the circumcision schools, the Zulus believe that they are men when they have earned railway lines on their skulls (lines of stitches). So the probability of some heavy nationalism coming through in South Africa to wipe away the Globalization is pretty high, as the minor xenophobia incidents are indicative of; a recession could kick start the process.
And actually it will be the Indians who will feel most of the wrath of the Zulus (almost all the Indians stay in the KwaZulu-Natal province, with Zulus as their neighbours), though the Whites do all the crying wolf.Replies: @notanon
More proof that contemporary Nationalists are pure socialists/leftists.
You write this as if it were a bad thing.
But thank you for your candor.Replies: @216
the legacy of apartheid is responsible for all the evil on the continent
Didn’t Africans have pantomine battles and warfare before the Europeans showed up? Kind of like the American Indians had a flag football type of warfare called coup counting before you know who showed up.
Why don’t we talk about how Indians are the least racist group?
People who are alt-right often say that Indian people are some of the most clannish on this planet. How come it’s not like this in South Africa?
Ignore the impudent Africans spouting off about so-called “apartheid trauma” and ignore the White Globalizer Treasonites who amplify the nonsense message of the Africans while censoring the political speech of White Core Patriots.
Andrew Jackson ignored the base boob slobs who might have had a bad word for him in Nashville; but Andrew Jackson went right after those who had power and abused it by behaving horribly or by thwarting the will of the people.
The Whites in South Africa should not have given up their nuclear deterrent and they should never have given up control of the power of the central state.
White Core Patriots in each European Christian nation must confront the ruling class directly in their political speech and their political outlook and their political worldview.
White Core Patriots will assume a command presence when they stop the niggling trifling nonsense and get right down to the essence of power politics in their nations.
Trump has disappointed me tremendously, and I won’t vote for him, but Trump went down to the 2016 GOP presidential primary debate in South Carolina looking to assume command presence by attacking the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate directly and relentlessly on George W Bush’s disastrous and dastardly move to drag the American Empire and the US military into the Iraq War debacle.
Trump went so far as to attack the upper middle class skanks in the South Carolina Republican Party who had the gall to boo when Trump blamed George W Bush for the Iraq War debacle. Trump even talked about how all the rancid Republican Party slobs who were giving him the boo bird treatment were merely donors defending their investment in Jebby Bush, and not patriots looking to do what is in the best interest of the American people and the United States of America.
What does this have to do with some boob using something called “apartheid trauma” to excuse murderously bad behaviour from sub-Saharan African Blacks?
It simply means that White Core Patriots must ignore the nonsense emanating from the pets of the ruling classes in their nations and go directly after the ruling class in its entirety. The weak and cowardly “outrage conservatives” have had their day. It is time to direct the outrage of tens of millions of White Core Patriots at the machinations of the ruling classes directly.
Andrew Jackson ignored the base boob slobs who might have had a bad word for him in Nashville; but Andrew Jackson went right after those who had power and abused it by behaving horribly or by thwarting the will of the people.
The Whites in South Africa should not have given up their nuclear deterrent and they should never have given up control of the power of the central state.
White Core Patriots in each European Christian nation must confront the ruling class directly in their political speech and their political outlook and their political worldview.
White Core Patriots will assume a command presence when they stop the niggling trifling nonsense and get right down to the essence of power politics in their nations.
Trump has disappointed me tremendously, and I won't vote for him, but Trump went down to the 2016 GOP presidential primary debate in South Carolina looking to assume command presence by attacking the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate directly and relentlessly on George W Bush's disastrous and dastardly move to drag the American Empire and the US military into the Iraq War debacle.
Trump went so far as to attack the upper middle class skanks in the South Carolina Republican Party who had the gall to boo when Trump blamed George W Bush for the Iraq War debacle. Trump even talked about how all the rancid Republican Party slobs who were giving him the boo bird treatment were merely donors defending their investment in Jebby Bush, and not patriots looking to do what is in the best interest of the American people and the United States of America.
What does this have to do with some boob using something called "apartheid trauma" to excuse murderously bad behaviour from sub-Saharan African Blacks?
It simply means that White Core Patriots must ignore the nonsense emanating from the pets of the ruling classes in their nations and go directly after the ruling class in its entirety. The weak and cowardly "outrage conservatives" have had their day. It is time to direct the outrage of tens of millions of White Core Patriots at the machinations of the ruling classes directly.Replies: @Ash Williams, @Achmed E. Newman
It’s going to have to get a lot more real before “White Core Patriots” become a thing.
Trump and his team (actually IMO Trump was picked by this team) will have to do a lot more “information space shaping” before what needs to be done CAN be done.
Part of the problem is that if they do better on the economy less people will support this, as people are naturally inclined to resist change and just muddle along.
Either Operation Wetback 2.0 happens, birthright citizenship is ended (and retroactively enforced), voter ID laws are put in place, major purges of FedGov, arrests and seizure of bad actor assets, & restoration of a single-tiered justice system are implemented, OR the USA is going to Balkanize (either officially or de facto) w/in 30 years.
I can’t see this not happening, because there’s (at least) two Americas, and neither is willing to share a system of government with the other.
I’m leaning towards Balkanization, but it being more of a process than an event (but I’m an optimist). Either that, or the US military pulls a Thailand-style coup, and shit gets reorganized (and the public gets “re-educated”) on an historically unprecedented scale.
I’m OK with either of these, as both are preferable to civil war in the USA (which would be like Yugoslavia meets the breakup of the Ottoman-Turkish Empire on multicultural steroids, millions of weapons, and possibly loose nukes).
If that is so then "this team" are playing 496-dimensional chess. The utter horror of elites (and their brainwashed followers) at Trump's election, the attempts by social media owners to ensure no such shock can ever be procured via their platforms again, tell me nobody "picked" Trump.
Nor do I believe he's being blackmailed - if there were any compromat it would have been released about a week before election day, or even in the primaries.
Occam's Razor tells me he's had a hell of a lot of pressure on him since his election, though, much of which he's caved to - which means it must be serious pressure, enough to get to a man with titaniun testes, and not just the usual suspects melting down. The form such pressure might take I can't guess at.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Ash Williams, @notanon
Cucked though they undoubtedly are, I just have hard time believe that fewer than one in five SA white would be racially indifferent to who their neighbors are.Replies: @neutral
Saying what one really thinks about blacks as a white in South Africa is exceedingly dangerous, if one is caught one will lose their job and could even land in jail. So what people say there is very far from the truth, just observe the white flight that occurs to know what most whites REALLY think about blacks. Nobody wants blacks moving into their area.
So, 1/5 of white SA has already left for Orania (or their rural/suburban equivalent)? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29475977
Looks like they’re staying busy in Orania, BTW https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/25/africa/whites-only-currency/index.html
2% unemployment, their own central bank, and their own digital currency. Sounds like a nice place to live.
It does sound like a nice place, a pleasant little shire minding its own business and doing its own thing.Replies: @Ash Williams
I did a little digging around and that seems to be from many months ago. Also, it doesn’t seem to be a case of ethnic violence as much as extremely brutal street justice:
https://www.dailysun.co.za/News/National/burnt-alive-in-hillbrow-20190116
Peace.
Reading through the feeds, gleaning what I can (it's exceedingly difficult), it's obvious this is an ongoing thing and the pro-South African side says it is just as you say it is.
Hey, Audacious, you’re getting as cynical and sarcastic as Steve Sailer.
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that!)
Andrew Jackson ignored the base boob slobs who might have had a bad word for him in Nashville; but Andrew Jackson went right after those who had power and abused it by behaving horribly or by thwarting the will of the people.
The Whites in South Africa should not have given up their nuclear deterrent and they should never have given up control of the power of the central state.
White Core Patriots in each European Christian nation must confront the ruling class directly in their political speech and their political outlook and their political worldview.
White Core Patriots will assume a command presence when they stop the niggling trifling nonsense and get right down to the essence of power politics in their nations.
Trump has disappointed me tremendously, and I won't vote for him, but Trump went down to the 2016 GOP presidential primary debate in South Carolina looking to assume command presence by attacking the Bush Organized Crime Syndicate directly and relentlessly on George W Bush's disastrous and dastardly move to drag the American Empire and the US military into the Iraq War debacle.
Trump went so far as to attack the upper middle class skanks in the South Carolina Republican Party who had the gall to boo when Trump blamed George W Bush for the Iraq War debacle. Trump even talked about how all the rancid Republican Party slobs who were giving him the boo bird treatment were merely donors defending their investment in Jebby Bush, and not patriots looking to do what is in the best interest of the American people and the United States of America.
What does this have to do with some boob using something called "apartheid trauma" to excuse murderously bad behaviour from sub-Saharan African Blacks?
It simply means that White Core Patriots must ignore the nonsense emanating from the pets of the ruling classes in their nations and go directly after the ruling class in its entirety. The weak and cowardly "outrage conservatives" have had their day. It is time to direct the outrage of tens of millions of White Core Patriots at the machinations of the ruling classes directly.Replies: @Ash Williams, @Achmed E. Newman
I remember Donald Trump talking this talk down in S. Carolina and elsewhere, Charles. It was amazing. It’s too bad the guy won’t walk the walk. A “command presence” (good term there) is what we need from a guy who isn’t either Deep-Stated, Neo-conned, a complete failure at HR (picking his employees), and maybe even an example of the Cocktail Party theory of Political Stupidity, in any combination or permutation.
I agree with many of the other commenters here, who say that there’s no way that white bar represents real opinions. My guess would be, if picking anyone over 25 years old (who’s been around) the number would be over 90%. It’s got to be higher than here in the US, and if people spoke truthfully, the number would be damn high here.*
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* Well, because white people get along pretty well with Orientals, in number to where the whites are still a decent majority, the question could be truthfully answered negatively (as far as “do you not want any …?” for many. In S. Africa, are they answering this way because they like .Indians?
Not yet, but soon
https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1169052532246757376
And we have an egregious example of why conservatives lose. Bought and paid for neocons that can't/won't mouth the word "boycott"
Here's a rather long thread on a rather prominent fireams forum, it may be worth it to read every page. Note the total absence of Dissident thought, and a surprising reluctance by posters to engage in boycotting. And the unsurprising "I never visit walmart" (statistically unlikely, 80% of Americans do).
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-New-WalMart-Regulations-about-guns-etc-/5-2252181/?page=1
Cons have this stupid "live and let live individualism" that will never be reciprocated. Even on this one issue where historically the Right has fought back and won.
With the considerable wealth of the Waltons against us, we are apt to say this is the "beginning of the end" for gun rights in the US.
99% Estate Tax on the BillionairesReplies: @The Alarmist, @Joe Stalin
Gun owners are a pretty passive group when it comes to political activism. That’s why the politicians LOVE the NRA because once an anti-gun aim is achieved (“Gun Control,” I mean “Gun Safety,” oh wait, “Gun Reforms”) very little is done to roll back said achievements. Look at Trump; have gun owners gotten anything or even tried to get ANYTHING in the time POTUS has been elected?
Note that even Hicock45 on YouTube has moved away from the NRA. Check out Iraq war veteran and Military Arms Channel who really represent a lets-get-something-done wing of activists.
The Leftist control the Narrative so you won’t hear any pro-gun message passively except for talk radio.
But Wally World shoppers do have something which can’t be ignored: numbers.
May I suggest that someone make an appropriate contact list of Wal-Mart Board of Directors and Executives from which physical letters and e-mail may be sent? It’s one thing for the top dude to issue pronouncements, but when the people he answers too are hearing from the smelly-Wal-Mart-shopper & gun owner, that’s a real dose of pushback.
702 SW 8th Street, Bentonville, AR 72716
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/POLL-Current-Wal-Mart-shoppers-do-you-plan-on-reducing-your-everyday-purchasing-/5-2252566/
If you want to read this thread, its arguably more depressing than the first. In a surprising amount of rural areas, Walmart is the only retail outlet. Others complain about local grocers. Worse in other threads were people hoping to get clearance deals.
It's against the corporatist character of the NRA, but local chapters should be protesting. (If they really want to shiv it in, hand out union organizing petitions).
https://nlrb.gov/how-we-work/fillable-forms
(Obviously I'm not a lawyer, and you probably need one if you want to be the greatest irl troll)Replies: @Joe Stalin
The'll just frequent those stores more (which is good), and/or do bulk ammo purchases from online retailers.
They'll also silently tell WalMart to go fuck itself, and find ways to only buy what's absolutely necessary from them.
In the long run WalMart has bigger problems, they are totally inept when it comes to online retail compared to Amazon.Replies: @95Theses, @Joe Stalin
“Trump and his team (actually IMO Trump was picked by this team) “
If that is so then “this team” are playing 496-dimensional chess. The utter horror of elites (and their brainwashed followers) at Trump’s election, the attempts by social media owners to ensure no such shock can ever be procured via their platforms again, tell me nobody “picked” Trump.
Nor do I believe he’s being blackmailed – if there were any compromat it would have been released about a week before election day, or even in the primaries.
Occam’s Razor tells me he’s had a hell of a lot of pressure on him since his election, though, much of which he’s caved to – which means it must be serious pressure, enough to get to a man with titaniun testes, and not just the usual suspects melting down. The form such pressure might take I can’t guess at.
IMO you can't just make sweeping changes by fiat, there has to be enough desire b/f that can happen. Things only change when people get good and sick of things.My understanding is the guy hasn't even had a cigarette, much less a drink. His only vice is serial monogamous marriage to hot women.My best guess is there's a raging (less and less) secret US civil war. The Cathedral selects for psychopaths, and said psychos got too big for their britches. The US military decided it was time to take them down, but before they pulled a Thailand-style military coup (which would have resulted in a significant loss of life & infrastructure), they figured they'd try and do it via shaping public opinion & reform.
Frankly, I don't think they understand the magnitude of the problem, and unless they do an Operation Wetback 2.0 on steroids, revoke birthright citizenship (including retroactively), incarcerate and seize the assets of 10's of thousands of traitors, and enact sweeping changes generally in the financial, educational, media, and justice systems, they're going to have the exact same problem again in 10 years.
What will probably happen is the US will Balkanize in 30, b/c they don't have the stones to do what's necessary.
(And yes, I'm writing this partially for their benefit, as I'm sure they monitor these comments. Wake up, you stupid GS 10-15's! Your pensions depend on it!)
how it would be used would depend on who got it - if it was the Dems then sure, use it to bring him down but if it was GOPe/neocons (much more likely imo) then having a controllable Trump might suit them better than new elections.
Didn't Africans have pantomine battles and warfare before the Europeans showed up? Kind of like the American Indians had a flag football type of warfare called coup counting before you know who showed up.Replies: @Twodees Partain
Counting coup was done only in actual fights, never as some kind of sport. It was a demonstration of courage against an actual enemy who could, and sometimes did, kill the man who touched him.
Allow the minkey some poetic lisonce.
I know that 2dp.
Allow the minkey some poetic lisonce.
A phobia is an irrational fear. When they are quite literally coming to murder you and take your property, that’s something else entirely.
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they are not really out to get you.
True, and lets not forget that just because they aren’t out to get you, that doesn’t mean that they won’t.
I’m curious to know what the point of this post is. The data from the graph don’t really reveal anything to anyone that has actually been paying attention to patterns in human behavior. People prefer to live among other people like them and further I have no criticism towards African blacks for preferring to live among their own kind.
So what’s the point? The data continue to prove the theory that diversity + proximity = conflict. Is this post meant to be a concession to that theory? If not, then what???
You write this as if it were a bad thing.Replies: @Thomm
Well, duh. Socialism/leftism never creates prosperity.
But thank you for your candor.
?
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1169351796596322304
Unsure if I should applaud BumbleJack’s self-deplatform, or wonder if they’ve got better blackmail on him.
But thank you for your candor.Replies: @216
Manchester Liberalism wrecked the British Empire
1/5? The fraction is a lot smaller than that.
It does sound like a nice place, a pleasant little shire minding its own business and doing its own thing.
I was implying that 1/5 had fled there, and to other majority white suburban/rural areas.
https://www.dailysun.co.za/News/National/burnt-alive-in-hillbrow-20190116
Peace.Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Ah, thanks for that.
Reading through the feeds, gleaning what I can (it’s exceedingly difficult), it’s obvious this is an ongoing thing and the pro-South African side says it is just as you say it is.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that!)Replies: @Audacious Epigone
It’s getting harder not to be!
He has provided a blueprint, anyway.
If that is so then "this team" are playing 496-dimensional chess. The utter horror of elites (and their brainwashed followers) at Trump's election, the attempts by social media owners to ensure no such shock can ever be procured via their platforms again, tell me nobody "picked" Trump.
Nor do I believe he's being blackmailed - if there were any compromat it would have been released about a week before election day, or even in the primaries.
Occam's Razor tells me he's had a hell of a lot of pressure on him since his election, though, much of which he's caved to - which means it must be serious pressure, enough to get to a man with titaniun testes, and not just the usual suspects melting down. The form such pressure might take I can't guess at.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Ash Williams, @notanon
We’ll probably never know the full story but the most disappointing aspect of the Trump presidency retrospectively is how he failed to bring the few elites who know their way around the city on board immediately, trusted people he could’ve asked “is X good for my agenda or not?” Steve Bannon couldn’t answer those questions any better any of us could. Pat Buchanan could have. He is the most obvious missed opportunity.
So what's the point? The data continue to prove the theory that diversity + proximity = conflict. Is this post meant to be a concession to that theory? If not, then what???Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Don’t make me give the game away, Mike!
Wait a second. You’re not saying that hating BANTUS is wrong, are ya? I thought EVERYBODY in Africa hated BANTUS. Except of course the Watusi, who all got murdered in their beds by Bantus some decades back.
But I guess it’s still true that ya can’t tell the players without a scorecard.
See also the authoritative “Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner” by Warren Zevon–
Through sixty-six and seven
They fought the Congo war
With their fingers on their triggers
Knee-deep in gore
For days and nights they battled
The Bantu to their knees
They killed to earn their living
And to help out the Congolese
Just a lame riff on “beyond the pale”, but black instead of pale. The joke doesn’t work if people don’t get it. That’s why I stick to number crunching!
People who are alt-right often say that Indian people are some of the most clannish on this planet. How come it's not like this in South Africa?Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @notanon
Fair question. I was surprised by those results as well.
Note that even Hicock45 on YouTube has moved away from the NRA. Check out Iraq war veteran and Military Arms Channel who really represent a lets-get-something-done wing of activists.
The Leftist control the Narrative so you won't hear any pro-gun message passively except for talk radio.
But Wally World shoppers do have something which can't be ignored: numbers.
May I suggest that someone make an appropriate contact list of Wal-Mart Board of Directors and Executives from which physical letters and e-mail may be sent? It's one thing for the top dude to issue pronouncements, but when the people he answers too are hearing from the smelly-Wal-Mart-shopper & gun owner, that's a real dose of pushback.Replies: @216, @Ash Williams
https://corporate.walmart.com/contact-us
702 SW 8th Street, Bentonville, AR 72716
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/POLL-Current-Wal-Mart-shoppers-do-you-plan-on-reducing-your-everyday-purchasing-/5-2252566/
If you want to read this thread, its arguably more depressing than the first. In a surprising amount of rural areas, Walmart is the only retail outlet. Others complain about local grocers. Worse in other threads were people hoping to get clearance deals.
It’s against the corporatist character of the NRA, but local chapters should be protesting. (If they really want to shiv it in, hand out union organizing petitions).
https://nlrb.gov/how-we-work/fillable-forms
(Obviously I’m not a lawyer, and you probably need one if you want to be the greatest irl troll)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJqIa6MuCNwReplies: @Achmed E. Newman
702 SW 8th Street, Bentonville, AR 72716
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/POLL-Current-Wal-Mart-shoppers-do-you-plan-on-reducing-your-everyday-purchasing-/5-2252566/
If you want to read this thread, its arguably more depressing than the first. In a surprising amount of rural areas, Walmart is the only retail outlet. Others complain about local grocers. Worse in other threads were people hoping to get clearance deals.
It's against the corporatist character of the NRA, but local chapters should be protesting. (If they really want to shiv it in, hand out union organizing petitions).
https://nlrb.gov/how-we-work/fillable-forms
(Obviously I'm not a lawyer, and you probably need one if you want to be the greatest irl troll)Replies: @Joe Stalin
Even the Black gun owners see this Wal-Mart action as an in-your-face punch by the Ruling Class!
(I didn't even know about this, and it's hard for me to boycott Wal-Mart when I may go there once in 2 years only anymore.)
There’s just not much veracity in the argument that whites are under massive discrimination by the government or blacks in the country.
The issue of mass murder of whites on farms is highly exaggerated. There are some acts of violence based on skin color, but they are not a staple across the country for most of the population when I say most I mean nearly all. It easy to take some examples and blow them out of proportion to what is happening across the country, but that would be a false rendering.
Now whether whites should be afraid based on what themselves did to the population is another question, but thus far for the majority co-existence seems to be the reign of the day. It will be interesting to see how the land redistribution issue works out.
Even I did not know how vast the land theft of black properties was until this year.
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I have no idea where the definition of “racism” that reads based on whether or not you like someone or. That is relatively new and wholly unmanageable to anyone’s reality. But it seems popular.
You may have to change your screen name to Caucacious Epigone.
“Note the total absence of Dissident thought, and a surprising reluctance by posters to engage in boycotting. And the unsurprising “I never visit walmart” (statistically unlikely, 80% of Americans do).”
That’s indicative of the Boomer nature of gun support, I would guess. They’re all talk and no action. Completely worthless generation. So much for all the big talk they spouted over the years, “Just let the gubmint come and try an take dem away. Oorah!” They’ll even work to undermine their own policies based on “muh principles” if it proves a safe way to exit an argument without a fight. The NRA was popular because it allowed Boomer conservatives a way to sit back and grill while not actually having to do anything themselves. Ugh.
Just witness the number of libertarians even here on Unz who rush to support the same narrative that has worked to disenfranchise them. Raise the estate tax on left-wing billionaires, the ones predominantly funding left-wing causes? Reeee, sanction China instead (deflection, we could do both). Enforce monopoly regulations and break up corporations like Wal-Mart and Google? Crickets. etc etc etc. I hate to say it, but conservatives are …. well, an unkind word. It’s hard to feel sorry for a group of people who don’t have either the will or the intellect to think outside of the box and fight back. Dark times ahead. The left will make a naked grab for speech rights at some point and meet exactly the same response from conservatives: crickets.
I predicted in the past that the left would one day take away their guns and these fake macho men would sit back and do nothing, despite their rhetoric to the contrary, willingly participating themselves or at least not saying anything about it. A few months later, and the National Review will be writing “The Conservative Case for Gun Confiscation.” I hold to that prediction now. I see no reason why it should be otherwise. Things have gotten so far out of hand because conservatives are, for the most part, worthless; the left knows they won’t fight back, and even if they do it will be something counterproductive. So, the left keeps pushing.
“If they really want to shiv it in, hand out union organizing petitions”
That’s the kind of tactic I don’t see conservatives embracing. It makes sense and could totally work; therefore, they’ll never go for it. In the past, I’ve suggested Red States work with foreign companies to build a vertically integrated alternative to the Silicon Valley internet mafia (YouTube, Google, etc), but it got no traction even though it’s feasible on some level. Personally, I think conservatives are spent and beaten. Boomer conservatives are just ready to retire and get to the grave while the gett’n is still good. Worst generation ever.
“Steve Bannon couldn’t answer those questions any better any of us could. Pat Buchanan could have.”
Pat Buchanan is a real America-first patriot, unlike those who just pretend. Pat has questioned Israel in the past, so Trump himself (or those close to him) would have frozen out anyone like him. Shame. Trump was our last shot at the endzone — a hailmarry that connected in the closing seconds only for the quarterback to get immediately sacked during the game-winning two point conversion.
“Either that, or the US military pulls a Thailand-style coup, and shit gets reorganized (and the public gets “re-educated”) on an historically unprecedented scale.”
Personally, I doubt the American military has the talent for that. They are notoriously bad at nation building. They are also increasingly pozzed. If they did take over, it could very well be for the worse. Probably the best role some secret cabal could play it to be the Morpheus on the lookout for a Neo in the population – the smart guy who’s above it all but also redpilled enough to push the reforms necessary to prevent the collapse of the country. That’s not just a hail-marry, but 10 in a row … assuming there’s anyone even bothering with it.
My prediction is that the Empire will limp along in a fragile, increasingly disorganized mess – no social trust, falling levels of patriotism, greater levels of tyranny to control the masses – until something dramatic happens and the structure collapses. Before this occurs, China will increasingly displace the US economically, technologically, and culturally. The US will be a country that can no longer compete globally due to a falling birthrate among its valuable white demographic while imported non-whites show themselves unable to keep up with the Mandarin geniuses across the ocean. The US government will find itself increasingly racked by racial grievance mongering – fears, panics, hoaxes, wealth redistribution schemes like reparations, and possibly a reversal in the long-term downward trend in the crime rate due to criminal justice reform. There will be a series of economic catastrophes due to poor management by the POC permanent governing coalition. Then, something unexpected and catastrophic will happen. Maybe the US financial sector collapses after the US no longer has the global reserve currency. Maybe mass immigration into Europe drags the Empire into a war that destroys it like Austria-Hungary in the early 20th. Maybe China blockades Taiwan and the American military, disproportionately white male in the most critical positions, refuses orders to attack after decades of racial discrimination, ending the US’s aura of invincibility and causing the rest of the world to go onto the offensive, carving up the Empire and abrogating alliances.
“There’s just not much veracity in the argument that whites are under massive discrimination by the government or blacks in the country.”
I don’t agree with limiting the argument to “the government” when so much of what happens in society takes place outside the government’s purview and involves bias against whites or men in some fashion. Doing so is disingenuous (and wrong, btw). There’s an enormous amount of evidence to support the notion of discrimination against whites and none or little to support it against blacks. How could anyone think otherwise? Affirmative Action, anyone? Here’s just one stat of probably hundreds I could give: only 8% of low-scoring MCAT white students make it into medical school as opposed to over half of blacks; since seats are limited and mostly stagnant in number, any racial set aside for non-whites raises admission standards for whites, depriving many qualified candidates of what they would have gotten otherwise. That’s indirect racial discrimination, and the government often goes in search of that kind of thing when it involves blacks. Police arresting too many blacks (even though arrest rates are in line with their crime rates)? Gov: reeee discrimination; welcome to a lawsuit. Teachers punishing too many black students (even though this group is the most disruptive)? Gov: get your lawyers ready or make classrooms more disruptive for whites. At the end of the Obama era, teachers were mass protesting this policy and publicly resigning.
There are also racial set asides in government contracts and jobs. The government punishes cities and schools for disparate impact. Obama also tried lowering air traffic controller standards to get more blacks into those jobs (discrimination against well-qualified whites). He even lowered Army standards for women, etc etc etc. Even when the federal government does not directly discriminate against whites, they encourage it in the private sector: admissions into professional schools, admission into Ivy League schools, corporate hiring quotas (partly based on federal requirements to disclose publicly whether your company has a diversity policy), etc.
Why do I have to continually repeat a long list of facts and links to people when it should be obvious by now? Yeah, there is discrimination against whites in many forms, both inside and outside the government, and virtually none of it is directed at minorities in any quantifiable way that can’t (or hasn’t already) been debunked.
And don’t even get me started on women. Not only are they the beneficiaries of massive discrimination in their favor, often getting some STEM positions (especially in academia) at rates as high as 300% above similarly qualified male competition, but there are also numerous government policies that have been enacted over the years to benefit them. Obama – predictably – used his DOE to scare colleges into revoking due process protections for male students accused of sexual improprieties. Result? Colleges not equipped to perform police investigations wrongly convicted lots of innocent men, disproportionately white men. USC was sued for exactly this and lost millions of dollars.
It does sound like a nice place, a pleasant little shire minding its own business and doing its own thing.Replies: @Ash Williams
I used weasel phrasing in there, so it’s my fault you missed it.
I was implying that 1/5 had fled there, and to other majority white suburban/rural areas.
If that is so then "this team" are playing 496-dimensional chess. The utter horror of elites (and their brainwashed followers) at Trump's election, the attempts by social media owners to ensure no such shock can ever be procured via their platforms again, tell me nobody "picked" Trump.
Nor do I believe he's being blackmailed - if there were any compromat it would have been released about a week before election day, or even in the primaries.
Occam's Razor tells me he's had a hell of a lot of pressure on him since his election, though, much of which he's caved to - which means it must be serious pressure, enough to get to a man with titaniun testes, and not just the usual suspects melting down. The form such pressure might take I can't guess at.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Ash Williams, @notanon
Or, this was expected.
IMO you can’t just make sweeping changes by fiat, there has to be enough desire b/f that can happen. Things only change when people get good and sick of things.
My understanding is the guy hasn’t even had a cigarette, much less a drink. His only vice is serial monogamous marriage to hot women.
My best guess is there’s a raging (less and less) secret US civil war. The Cathedral selects for psychopaths, and said psychos got too big for their britches. The US military decided it was time to take them down, but before they pulled a Thailand-style military coup (which would have resulted in a significant loss of life & infrastructure), they figured they’d try and do it via shaping public opinion & reform.
Frankly, I don’t think they understand the magnitude of the problem, and unless they do an Operation Wetback 2.0 on steroids, revoke birthright citizenship (including retroactively), incarcerate and seize the assets of 10’s of thousands of traitors, and enact sweeping changes generally in the financial, educational, media, and justice systems, they’re going to have the exact same problem again in 10 years.
What will probably happen is the US will Balkanize in 30, b/c they don’t have the stones to do what’s necessary.
(And yes, I’m writing this partially for their benefit, as I’m sure they monitor these comments. Wake up, you stupid GS 10-15’s! Your pensions depend on it!)
The issue of mass murder of whites on farms is highly exaggerated. There are some acts of violence based on skin color, but they are not a staple across the country for most of the population when I say most I mean nearly all. It easy to take some examples and blow them out of proportion to what is happening across the country, but that would be a false rendering.
Now whether whites should be afraid based on what themselves did to the population is another question, but thus far for the majority co-existence seems to be the reign of the day. It will be interesting to see how the land redistribution issue works out.
Even I did not know how vast the land theft of black properties was until this year.
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I have no idea where the definition of "racism" that reads based on whether or not you like someone or. That is relatively new and wholly unmanageable to anyone's reality. But it seems popular.Replies: @Ash Williams
Evidently you are willfully unaware of the college acceptance quotas, welfare qualifications, diversity hiring, etc. Punch yourself in the face for me.
Note that even Hicock45 on YouTube has moved away from the NRA. Check out Iraq war veteran and Military Arms Channel who really represent a lets-get-something-done wing of activists.
The Leftist control the Narrative so you won't hear any pro-gun message passively except for talk radio.
But Wally World shoppers do have something which can't be ignored: numbers.
May I suggest that someone make an appropriate contact list of Wal-Mart Board of Directors and Executives from which physical letters and e-mail may be sent? It's one thing for the top dude to issue pronouncements, but when the people he answers too are hearing from the smelly-Wal-Mart-shopper & gun owner, that's a real dose of pushback.Replies: @216, @Ash Williams
Most rural areas with a WalMart are dotted with gun stores & shooting ranges/clubs.
The’ll just frequent those stores more (which is good), and/or do bulk ammo purchases from online retailers.
They’ll also silently tell WalMart to go fuck itself, and find ways to only buy what’s absolutely necessary from them.
In the long run WalMart has bigger problems, they are totally inept when it comes to online retail compared to Amazon.
Buying ammo at Wal-Mart is totally "Gun Culture" Americana.
It wasn't too many years ago that you could buy handguns at Wally World. Heck, I was surprised that they were still doing that in Alaska. Just a couple of years ago the Thanksgiving Day Black Friday sales flyer had AR-15s for sale. But dumping ARs wasn't enough. A few days ago I saw a few words of text on BBC America on how the Gun Controllers wanted Wally World to stop selling arms to the public. They have good prices on 9mm ammo. (Remember, K-Mart caved to that idiot Micheal Moore when he demanded they stop selling handgun ammo.)
This is an area worth fighting for: retail sales. If you think it isn't, try to find a gun shop in Chicago! In Crook County, IL, the Cosmopolitans have a ban on military-style rifles, standard capacity ammo mags, a $25 tax on firearms sales, a special tax PER ROUND of ammo. This is due to the efforts of Black Crook County Board President Preckwinkle.
If we continue down this path, the Cosmopolitans will win by converting us to Europe.
So yeah, go right ahead and direct your ire at Wal-Mart :You are the customer ("Customer is always right."), not the Cosmopolitans in the Corporate suites.
@EliteCommInc
“The issue of mass murder of whites on farms is highly exaggerated. […] Even I did not know how vast the land theft of black properties was until this year. ”
All right, you’re just here to propagandize bullshit. You’re the enemy, and you’re incompetent. Carry on.
“Evidently you are willfully unaware of the college acceptance quotas, welfare qualifications, diversity hiring, etc. Punch yourself in the face for me.”
I think it is accurate that blacks have members of the population that are every bit as much obnoxious as whites, browns and yellows. And certainly they can be as every bit unreasonable as well.
However, given the history (and I hate to keep bringing up history) there is not much evidence that blacks are seeking to bar whites from college, employment, seeking to use the police in extrajudicious manners wholesale to the white population, there are no program to keep whites from voting.
Unfortunately, the quotas you are concerned about have gone overwhelming to whites by more than 70%. You are of course referring to the redress of affirmative action programs that has been hijacked by whites. Welfare, diversity hiring . . . all part of the same affirmative action complaint. Save this observation, because blacks comprise the higher levels of poverty it makes perfect sense that they would have said numbers receiving welfare.
I used to use that welfare routine when I was younger, then I found out that my country actually engaged in activities to ensure that they would remain poor and uneducated. That is not an excuse for dysfunction. But it left me with a problem of dealing with the matter truthfully.
Now given that whites are the big winners of quotas and set asides by a large number and seeking to improve their demographics on paper by including “browns (latinos in general as whites) you might want to reconsider your peculiar lean on self flagellating violence, and have a look in the mirror concerning the depth of knowledge and analysis on this issue. Because your response on its face seems woefully devoid of substance despite your emotional disposition.
People who are alt-right often say that Indian people are some of the most clannish on this planet. How come it's not like this in South Africa?Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @notanon
do Indians in south Africa mostly live around Whites?
-> mass immigration
-> competition for resources
-> mass violence
it's going to keep getting worse unless those countries with the means to do so
- close their borders
- stop funding excessive population growth in the 3rd worldReplies: @gT
South Africa’s current population is probably around 60 million, and there is talk of about 10 million foreigners in South Africa, whether they are part of that 60 million I don’t know. They can’t make a living in their own shit hole countries so they come to South Africa. Meanwhile the South African economy can’t even provide jobs for the legitimate citizens of the country. Border control is lax, viva Globalization viva.
Most South African’s in the rest of Africa are professionals working for South African companies in those African countries, most of the foreign blacks in South Africa are basically economic refugees. The Zimbabweans are the biggest criminals, the Mozambicans steal the most vehicles and smuggle them across the border, the Lesothos’ are the zama-zama’s (illegal gold miners), the Nigerians are into the drug scene, etc, etc.
But luckily South Africa has the Zulus as its biggest tribe, and they are guaranteed to go on the warpath one day again. The rest of the Black tribes believe that they become men when they go to the circumcision schools, the Zulus believe that they are men when they have earned railway lines on their skulls (lines of stitches). So the probability of some heavy nationalism coming through in South Africa to wipe away the Globalization is pretty high, as the minor xenophobia incidents are indicative of; a recession could kick start the process.
And actually it will be the Indians who will feel most of the wrath of the Zulus (almost all the Indians stay in the KwaZulu-Natal province, with Zulus as their neighbours), though the Whites do all the crying wolf.
If that is so then "this team" are playing 496-dimensional chess. The utter horror of elites (and their brainwashed followers) at Trump's election, the attempts by social media owners to ensure no such shock can ever be procured via their platforms again, tell me nobody "picked" Trump.
Nor do I believe he's being blackmailed - if there were any compromat it would have been released about a week before election day, or even in the primaries.
Occam's Razor tells me he's had a hell of a lot of pressure on him since his election, though, much of which he's caved to - which means it must be serious pressure, enough to get to a man with titaniun testes, and not just the usual suspects melting down. The form such pressure might take I can't guess at.Replies: @Audacious Epigone, @Ash Williams, @notanon
Russia collusion was a hoax so if there is any blackmail it’s more likely business related and gained via Mueller after the election.
how it would be used would depend on who got it – if it was the Dems then sure, use it to bring him down but if it was GOPe/neocons (much more likely imo) then having a controllable Trump might suit them better than new elections.
“All right, you’re just here to propagandize bullshit. You’re the enemy, and you’re incompetent. Carry on.”
Another emotional outburst heard from. I am fine with emotional outbursts, but you might want to consider adding some substance to your apoplectic accusation. This issue is not new. It has been around since the 1990’s. Soon after apartheid ended. The use of related cases to stir the pot is also not new used to elicit sympathy for whites who could no longer hold unique advantage (privelidge), at least not officially.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-farmers-south-africa/
Here’s what I believe accuracy in argument, discussion as much as possible. Sure there are cases of reprisals for apartheid. But there is no mass slaughter. And any suggestion that I am about propaganda is unsupported. Unless the issue is new or relatively unknown, I will as routine provide supporting material.
https://newsone.com/3840102/south-african-activist-land-reform/
As i have stated before, there is clear anger in the younger populations about the past and no small amount of that anger is toward the black population because in the minds of later generations they should fought back in and by the numbers stopped the apartheid system in its place. As I noted previously clearly there is going to be some tensions as the country attempts to redress the land redistribution issue.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/who-are-south-africa-s-persecuted-white-farmers
My personal disposition. I am not SA. I would hope that whatever takes place is fair and equitable , but I don’t know what that is for SA’s. We are dealing with a very traumatizing system. I am a spoiled US citizen by any measure compared to those in the country who are wrestling with reconfiguring their country from top to bottom. But there is little evidence that whites en masse are up for the block, not even close. However, I grant that it may feel that way for those who were advantaged and now have to share the power once reserved for themselves as opposed to
“all” of the population of SA.
I take anyone who leans on data that challenges your particular contend is labeled enemy. People like me who press for accurate assessment are the best friends you’ve got. Because your next arguments to your stead will based reality as opposed to how you feel and desire the system to be.
I get irritated by others comments as well. But before I go about telling them how stupid they are i usually like to consider the content. And even when it’s clear they are wrong — I refrain from making personal attacks about their abilities. It’s unnecessary as well as inappropriate.
Peace.
“All right, you’re just here to propagandize bullshit. ” and “Evidently you are willfully unaware . . .”
Scare and fear mongering works all the way across the ocean. The reality is that some whites here are so afraid of losing an election they will glom onto any low hanging fruit they can reach, even if that fuit is rotten to get the emotional response to vote for the current president. So instead of party affiliation being loaded with reasoned minds, they are plenty who live in a constant state of fear without much support – but fear is their reality.
https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/
Want to be concerned about a real issue threatening the US — be concerned about immigration. Just yesterday, I learned that our community colleges get extra money for designating their schools as spanish or latino.
The bribery is subtle but is real as are the consequences. Your having conniption fits about whites in SA who spent years fostering unequal treatment, meanwhile right next door some Mexican is stealing your country.
My concerns are primarily about the US. not some foreign country that engaged a process of denying people the right to vote because they were afraid of the democracy they claimed to embrace. Certainly some here is distracted by propaganda of what is happening on far off lands (nevermind that the information is incorrect/inaccurate)
based on the conversation — it’s not me.
https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/
Another emotional outburst heard from. I am fine with emotional outbursts, but you might want to consider adding some substance to your apoplectic accusation. This issue is not new. It has been around since the 1990's. Soon after apartheid ended. The use of related cases to stir the pot is also not new used to elicit sympathy for whites who could no longer hold unique advantage (privelidge), at least not officially. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-farmers-south-africa/
Here's what I believe accuracy in argument, discussion as much as possible. Sure there are cases of reprisals for apartheid. But there is no mass slaughter. And any suggestion that I am about propaganda is unsupported. Unless the issue is new or relatively unknown, I will as routine provide supporting material. https://newsone.com/3840102/south-african-activist-land-reform/As i have stated before, there is clear anger in the younger populations about the past and no small amount of that anger is toward the black population because in the minds of later generations they should fought back in and by the numbers stopped the apartheid system in its place. As I noted previously clearly there is going to be some tensions as the country attempts to redress the land redistribution issue. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/who-are-south-africa-s-persecuted-white-farmersMy personal disposition. I am not SA. I would hope that whatever takes place is fair and equitable , but I don't know what that is for SA's. We are dealing with a very traumatizing system. I am a spoiled US citizen by any measure compared to those in the country who are wrestling with reconfiguring their country from top to bottom. But there is little evidence that whites en masse are up for the block, not even close. However, I grant that it may feel that way for those who were advantaged and now have to share the power once reserved for themselves as opposed to"all" of the population of SA. I take anyone who leans on data that challenges your particular contend is labeled enemy. People like me who press for accurate assessment are the best friends you've got. Because your next arguments to your stead will based reality as opposed to how you feel and desire the system to be.I get irritated by others comments as well. But before I go about telling them how stupid they are i usually like to consider the content. And even when it's clear they are wrong -- I refrain from making personal attacks about their abilities. It's unnecessary as well as inappropriate.Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone
Thanks for the links, much appreciated.
Peace.
Yeah, that slipped by me. Or maybe I was just thinking about it too hard.
But now that I see what you were after, how about:
Shale – black, opaque, and it rhymes.
Wait … what? Have you so soon forgotten that Racial Tolerance Map, courtesy of the Washington Post?
The'll just frequent those stores more (which is good), and/or do bulk ammo purchases from online retailers.
They'll also silently tell WalMart to go fuck itself, and find ways to only buy what's absolutely necessary from them.
In the long run WalMart has bigger problems, they are totally inept when it comes to online retail compared to Amazon.Replies: @95Theses, @Joe Stalin
Best kept secret for lowest ammo prices is Palmetto State Armory.
The'll just frequent those stores more (which is good), and/or do bulk ammo purchases from online retailers.
They'll also silently tell WalMart to go fuck itself, and find ways to only buy what's absolutely necessary from them.
In the long run WalMart has bigger problems, they are totally inept when it comes to online retail compared to Amazon.Replies: @95Theses, @Joe Stalin
Gun owners should NOT simply hand the Cosmopolitans a victory on a silver platter.
Buying ammo at Wal-Mart is totally “Gun Culture” Americana.
It wasn’t too many years ago that you could buy handguns at Wally World. Heck, I was surprised that they were still doing that in Alaska. Just a couple of years ago the Thanksgiving Day Black Friday sales flyer had AR-15s for sale. But dumping ARs wasn’t enough. A few days ago I saw a few words of text on BBC America on how the Gun Controllers wanted Wally World to stop selling arms to the public. They have good prices on 9mm ammo. (Remember, K-Mart caved to that idiot Micheal Moore when he demanded they stop selling handgun ammo.)
This is an area worth fighting for: retail sales. If you think it isn’t, try to find a gun shop in Chicago! In Crook County, IL, the Cosmopolitans have a ban on military-style rifles, standard capacity ammo mags, a $25 tax on firearms sales, a special tax PER ROUND of ammo. This is due to the efforts of Black Crook County Board President Preckwinkle.
If we continue down this path, the Cosmopolitans will win by converting us to Europe.
So yeah, go right ahead and direct your ire at Wal-Mart :
You are the customer (“Customer is always right.”), not the Cosmopolitans in the Corporate suites.
Another emotional outburst heard from. I am fine with emotional outbursts, but you might want to consider adding some substance to your apoplectic accusation. This issue is not new. It has been around since the 1990's. Soon after apartheid ended. The use of related cases to stir the pot is also not new used to elicit sympathy for whites who could no longer hold unique advantage (privelidge), at least not officially. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/white-farmers-south-africa/
Here's what I believe accuracy in argument, discussion as much as possible. Sure there are cases of reprisals for apartheid. But there is no mass slaughter. And any suggestion that I am about propaganda is unsupported. Unless the issue is new or relatively unknown, I will as routine provide supporting material. https://newsone.com/3840102/south-african-activist-land-reform/As i have stated before, there is clear anger in the younger populations about the past and no small amount of that anger is toward the black population because in the minds of later generations they should fought back in and by the numbers stopped the apartheid system in its place. As I noted previously clearly there is going to be some tensions as the country attempts to redress the land redistribution issue. https://www.sbs.com.au/news/who-are-south-africa-s-persecuted-white-farmersMy personal disposition. I am not SA. I would hope that whatever takes place is fair and equitable , but I don't know what that is for SA's. We are dealing with a very traumatizing system. I am a spoiled US citizen by any measure compared to those in the country who are wrestling with reconfiguring their country from top to bottom. But there is little evidence that whites en masse are up for the block, not even close. However, I grant that it may feel that way for those who were advantaged and now have to share the power once reserved for themselves as opposed to"all" of the population of SA. I take anyone who leans on data that challenges your particular contend is labeled enemy. People like me who press for accurate assessment are the best friends you've got. Because your next arguments to your stead will based reality as opposed to how you feel and desire the system to be.I get irritated by others comments as well. But before I go about telling them how stupid they are i usually like to consider the content. And even when it's clear they are wrong -- I refrain from making personal attacks about their abilities. It's unnecessary as well as inappropriate.Replies: @Talha, @Audacious Epigone
The response to the claim that the racial targeting is exaggerated is that a lot of these brutal murders are classified as robbery-murders.
But again, it is not anywhere near the numbers advertised supporting a slaughter of whites.
That showed up in the WaPo? Impressive.
They are. And while some of them probably are in fact some manner of revenge. The vast majority fit in the frame of crime. What I found interesting that the number of murders in this category *farms” has remained relatively stable. There was a spike, but it was not a trend.
But again, it is not anywhere near the numbers advertised supporting a slaughter of whites.
Most South African's in the rest of Africa are professionals working for South African companies in those African countries, most of the foreign blacks in South Africa are basically economic refugees. The Zimbabweans are the biggest criminals, the Mozambicans steal the most vehicles and smuggle them across the border, the Lesothos' are the zama-zama's (illegal gold miners), the Nigerians are into the drug scene, etc, etc.
But luckily South Africa has the Zulus as its biggest tribe, and they are guaranteed to go on the warpath one day again. The rest of the Black tribes believe that they become men when they go to the circumcision schools, the Zulus believe that they are men when they have earned railway lines on their skulls (lines of stitches). So the probability of some heavy nationalism coming through in South Africa to wipe away the Globalization is pretty high, as the minor xenophobia incidents are indicative of; a recession could kick start the process.
And actually it will be the Indians who will feel most of the wrath of the Zulus (almost all the Indians stay in the KwaZulu-Natal province, with Zulus as their neighbours), though the Whites do all the crying wolf.Replies: @notanon
yes, Zulus may turn out to be a wild card
The ANC invests considerable effort into stamping out tensions between black ethnic groups, and put all of the "traditional leaders" on the government payroll.
If there is a chasm, I think it would be urban/rural blacks rather than on ethnic lines.
Can we get an application of Sutton’s law?
Can we get an application of Sutton’s law?
Sure, the Sutton Rule sometimes known as Sutton’s Law : states that when considering a problem to focus on the most obvious possibilities.
That the murders of farmers is as it always has been one based on isolation from large populous and has kept pace with the in rate and magnitude for more than twenty years with the occasional spikes. I think the average annually has ranged for sixty to seventy. Note robbery has been the primary motive and it is not unusual that black farmers or blacks working on farms experience that tragedy.
Sutton’s rule: most obvious cause to effect: robbery
How does the current rate compare to the pre-ANC government period?
Sure, the Sutton Rule sometimes known as Sutton's Law : states that when considering a problem to focus on the most obvious possibilities.
That the murders of farmers is as it always has been one based on isolation from large populous and has kept pace with the in rate and magnitude for more than twenty years with the occasional spikes. I think the average annually has ranged for sixty to seventy. Note robbery has been the primary motive and it is not unusual that black farmers or blacks working on farms experience that tragedy.
Sutton's rule: most obvious cause to effect: robberyReplies: @iffen
kept pace with the in rate and magnitude for more than twenty years with the occasional spikes.
How does the current rate compare to the pre-ANC government period?
“How does the current rate compare to the pre-ANC government period?”
I think it is fare to say t hat the vacuum of some loss of control is a natural consequence of over hauling the country’s socio-politics. You might want to take a look at just how traumatized that society was. On the service the message all law and order, but underneath that veneer lies a truth that rivals even the state of Israel has engaged in Palestine.
The attempt to overhaul that system is going to be rife with issues. In cases where the motives were in fact about the white power dynamics, it is deeply distressing that some blacks have engaged the same tactics used against the entire black population.
I certainly have or would condone those acts of vengeance, much less their ‘tit for tat ‘ intent. But then again, I lived in the US during apartheid. A country that launched a civil war over taxes. I am going to very careful about making prognostications about peace, love and tolerance in a society that makes the US acts of discrimination look like a garden party.
but like the US attempted to ascertain actual criminal behavior under conditions that exacted extra-judicsious actions against blacks merely on that level is tricky. Said without condoning criminal activity. I guess I would put t like this, in either society, it was better to be white and there that quandruples in spades.
Interesting, but how do the rates compare?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
I am not a fan of Wikipedia, but they had a chart that is pretty clear. I stand exactly where I came in.
Excuse me here ya go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
I am not a fan of Wikipedia, but they had a chart that is pretty clear. I stand exactly where I came in.
“Interesting, but how do the rates compare?”
Excuse me here ya go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
I am not a fan of Wikipedia, but they had a chart that is pretty clear. I stand exactly where I came in.
And if you know what happens after the fall of authoritarian regimes, then the pattern is pretty typical. The same concerns that followed the end of the Soviet Union in:
Russia
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Ukraine
etc.
The result of those changes has routinely been increased crime rates, and uncertainty, economic disparity increases or revealed take your pick. How long it takes a country to stabilize and push back is dependent on a myriad factors.
This remains so much like talking with liberals first its this issue. Address it and then it’s another . . . constantly shifting angles.
Laugh.
Excuse me here ya go
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
I am not a fan of Wikipedia, but they had a chart that is pretty clear. I stand exactly where I came in.
And if you know what happens after the fall of authoritarian regimes, then the pattern is pretty typical. The same concerns that followed the end of the Soviet Union in:
Russia
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Ukraine
etc.
The result of those changes has routinely been increased crime rates, and uncertainty, economic disparity increases or revealed take your pick. How long it takes a country to stabilize and push back is dependent on a myriad factors.
This remains so much like talking with liberals first its this issue. Address it and then it's another . . . constantly shifting angles.
Laugh.Replies: @iffen
Yeah, I don’t actually know the figures, but your response tells me that you do and it confirms my suspicions.
“Yeah, I don’t actually know the figures, but your response tells me that you do and it confirms my suspicions.”
The numbers are in the graph. Ever making something sinister that is not. This conversation started as a discussion of the article which was about xenophobic tensions between two states and included the South African Farm issue.
I responded to the farm deaths. And I even entertained other issues in the same way I am entertaining yours which is no longer about the false claims of white genocide but crime in general. I went so far as to provide the chart.
I have already acknowledged that crime after apartheid was up as indicated in the chart. And I then added this is typical for the fall of any authoritarian regime. And I stated the reasons. I further granted that there are are certainly some crimes committed soley as revenge for past policies by whites. I also grant out that the issue of land redistribution is may become contentious, beyond what it is now.
It is my understanding that SA is attempting to avoid the consequences of Zimbabwe’s land turnover.
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You might want to do some homework on how the forms of authoritarian regimes work before ascribing some mischivous motive. The reality remains, that nothing approaching what the previous system used to govern is materializing and there s very strong push back by SAfricans to against, even black South Africans. And one hopes that the majority of blacks will continue to push back against the desire to return ill for ill.
There is insufficient data to reliably estimate a murder rate for South African farmers.
If you are relying on this Wiki information then perhaps you don't know the rate and I retract my accusation that you know it.
This statement of yours prompted my original comment:
What I found interesting that the number of murders in this category *farms” has remained relatively stable.
Apparently you have access to information that is not readily available.Replies: @EliteCommInc.
The numbers are in the graph. Ever making something sinister that is not. This conversation started as a discussion of the article which was about xenophobic tensions between two states and included the South African Farm issue.
I responded to the farm deaths. And I even entertained other issues in the same way I am entertaining yours which is no longer about the false claims of white genocide but crime in general. I went so far as to provide the chart.
I have already acknowledged that crime after apartheid was up as indicated in the chart. And I then added this is typical for the fall of any authoritarian regime. And I stated the reasons. I further granted that there are are certainly some crimes committed soley as revenge for past policies by whites. I also grant out that the issue of land redistribution is may become contentious, beyond what it is now.
It is my understanding that SA is attempting to avoid the consequences of Zimbabwe's land turnover.
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You might want to do some homework on how the forms of authoritarian regimes work before ascribing some mischivous motive. The reality remains, that nothing approaching what the previous system used to govern is materializing and there s very strong push back by SAfricans to against, even black South Africans. And one hopes that the majority of blacks will continue to push back against the desire to return ill for ill.Replies: @iffen
I couldn’t find the information in the Wiki link that you cited. I did find this in a Wiki page on SA farm murders.
There is insufficient data to reliably estimate a murder rate for South African farmers.
If you are relying on this Wiki information then perhaps you don’t know the rate and I retract my accusation that you know it.
This statement of yours prompted my original comment:
What I found interesting that the number of murders in this category *farms” has remained relatively stable.
Apparently you have access to information that is not readily available.
Posted previously in related discussionsThis link opened fine from my endhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
here's one I provided earlier includes crime overall and farm related attackshttps://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-statistics-farm-attacks-murders-sa/
There is insufficient data to reliably estimate a murder rate for South African farmers.
If you are relying on this Wiki information then perhaps you don't know the rate and I retract my accusation that you know it.
This statement of yours prompted my original comment:
What I found interesting that the number of murders in this category *farms” has remained relatively stable.
Apparently you have access to information that is not readily available.Replies: @EliteCommInc.
“Apparently you have access to information that is not readily available.”
Posted previously in related discussions
This link opened fine from my end
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa
here’s one I provided earlier includes crime overall and farm related attacks
https://africacheck.org/factsheets/factsheet-statistics-farm-attacks-murders-sa/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJqIa6MuCNwReplies: @Achmed E. Newman
Thank you, Premier Stalin. This one will have to go up on my blog today.
(I didn’t even know about this, and it’s hard for me to boycott Wal-Mart when I may go there once in 2 years only anymore.)
Am I dyslectic? I first read that as “Rises Like Arses…”
ButtBut that specter is more of a West African thing, isn’t it?This is Africa. Oryx would be more precise.
Onyx:
Oryx:
You know the saying about cynicism: scratch a cynic and you’ll find an idealist. 😉
"The issue of mass murder of whites on farms is highly exaggerated. [...] Even I did not know how vast the land theft of black properties was until this year. "
All right, you're just here to propagandize bullshit. You're the enemy, and you're incompetent. Carry on.Replies: @Twodees Partain
Very perceptive comment, vok3. EC pumps bullshit as only a college professor can.
The anti-ANC bloc (Whites, Indians, Colured, Zulu) has never been that willing to cooperate, and Zulu are outnumbered by the other blacks.
The ANC invests considerable effort into stamping out tensions between black ethnic groups, and put all of the “traditional leaders” on the government payroll.
If there is a chasm, I think it would be urban/rural blacks rather than on ethnic lines.
ButtBut that specter is more of a West African thing, isn't it?This is Africa. Oryx would be more precise.http://www.botswana.co.za/images/oryx-racing-kalahari-plains-camp-590x390.jpg
Onyx:
https://moonrisecrystals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/onyx-mine-locations.png
Oryx:
https://sasscer.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/gemsbokmaps1a.jpg?w=584Replies: @Audacious Epigone
Rises like Olympus above the Serengeti isn’t very geographically grounded, either, and it’s a bunch of white guys talking about Africa, so I thought it fit well enough.
Lol re: the oryx.
Indeed, an idealist whose heart has been broken on the shoals of reality one too many times.